The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 076 - ESPN's Mike Greenberg & Road Rage At The Indy 500 With Alexander Rossi

Episode Date: May 28, 2019

On today’s show, Pat sits down for a chat with one of the most respected men in sports media. Former host of the Mike & Mike Show, current host of Get Up!, and one of the most prominent voices at ESPN, Mike Greenberg. They discuss his career transition from Mike & Mike in the Morning to Get Up! and whether he felt pressure to succeed, he gives his background on how he got to where he’s at right now, discusses the NBA Finals, talks about who some of the people he’s been most star struck around, and rants about the current state of the New York Jets in an incredible interview (2:27-36:13). Later, winner of the 100th Indianapolis 500, runner-up at this year’s Indianapolis 500, and one of the biggest stars in all of IndyCar, Alexander Rossi, joins the show. They discuss all the drama from this year’s 500, and he talks about what prevented him from taking the checkered flag, talks about the emotion he showed that gained him fans around the world, and chatted about how he thinks IndyCar is handling drivers becoming well known personalities in a hilarious and insightful interview (46:42-1:13:01). Pat and the guys also discuss why they think the concept of one-hit wonders are now dead, and Pat makes a statement about the whole Shane Morris situation. Today’s a good one. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I hope you said your thanks to all the American badasses that sacrificed it all for this incredible country of ours. If you're in Canada, you too. You know what I mean? Yeah. They wouldn't be who they are without us. You want to leave them out? We appreciate it.

We're a nice little tag team. Canada and us are a nice little tag team. Happy Memorial Day. I hope you had an incredible weekend. Today's show is lined up with great conversations. I don't know if you've heard of the guy, Mike Greenberg, also known as Greeny. Stops by and gives a 30-minute interview.

I don't think I've ever heard anything like it before. We're checking the internet for him. He doesn't do a lot of interviews. We got a chance to chat with him about the Mike and Mike split, about the life at ESPN, about the NBA, about his future, about meeting his heroes. I mean, it was a great conversation. And Alexander Rossi, the second-place finisher at the Indy 500,

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Shout out to SeatGeek, and shout out to a legend joining us today. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a guy who has honestly been the voice of sports for decades now. Joined ESPN in 1996. Then he had a 17-year run with Mike & Mike. Now you can see him every single morning on ESPN with the show Get Up.

He's a New York Times bestseller. And he's a legend in the sportscasting world. Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Greenberg. Let's go. Hello. That was a very nice introduction. I appreciate it. How are you? I'm fantastic. I can't thank you enough for joining us. This is just a little tiny podcast and you are a legend amongst all of us. So I'm very thankful for that. First things first, when you graduated from Northwestern University and you got a job at ESPN, did you ever think that you were going to be basically the face and voice of ESPN? Well, no, I mean, I don't know that I'm the face or the voice of ESPN, but I can tell you that when

I graduated, it took me a long time to get to ESPN. So my goal was, when I got out of school, I wanted to be a sports center anchor. Because at that time, that was the pinnacle. There were no shows like Mike and Mike. There was no PTI. Those shows didn't exist yet. And all of what we now know as sports talk was local. And it was mostly just starting. And it was almost all exclusively radio and so i i worked

in sports radio in chicago for years six years before i got to espn um and my my absolute uh goal what i considered to be the pinnacle was to be a sports center anchor and that was what i wanted and i still believe sports center is the rolls royce of the sports news and information business so that was my goal there was no such thing as the career path that I have sort of fallen into. So if you had told me, I think the answer to your question is, if you had told me when I was 21, 22 years old, that my life was going to turn out this way, I would never have believed you. It has been infinitely more than I could ever have realistically expected. Well, I think what you're saying, though, is such a humble opinion, because although I did grow up during the SportsCenter era,

and highlights kind of took over the world, you are a guy who is held in high regards by everybody. And when I've met you, I honestly expected a guy to be a bit snobby, to be honest. I thought you were going to be a bit snobby. But be honest. I thought you were going to be a bit snobby. But instead, you're a consummate gentleman and treat everybody around you with so much respect. And I don't think that's a normal thing. I think you should be very proud of being one of the voices of ESPN. That's nice of you to say. Thank you very much.

We've very much enjoyed having you on the show. I've told everybody when they ask me about you, I say, he's crazy. And he knows exactly, here's what I think is the thing I was most impressed with you on my show is, there are every place you go, there is a different line. You know, there are lines you can you can cross here that you couldn't cross there, and so on and so forth. And I think you immediately understood where you could reasonably go on a show like mine and where you should not go past. And I think that the fact that you picked that up so quickly, you know, sort of eased whatever nervousness any of us had about having you there. And so now you have an open invitation and it has always been a lot of

fun. And I know that I told you this, but I thought that you just were magnificent at the NFL draft. I thought that was extraordinarily well done. I know that we exchanged notes briefly after that, but I thought that was absolutely sensational. Well, that means a lot coming from you. I appreciate it. Anytime I get a chance to be in a pre-show meeting with you, I very much understand that I am among some of the greatest humans to ever get on TV. Do you feel an obligation every single morning to deliver magic? And I say that because I was in a situation on your show that kind of wrapped it up that involved race debate. It involved a lot of things. Do you ever feel like an obligation to make sure that everybody gets their point across

and it's fair and balanced coverage on your show? Yes, for sure. I mean, well, those are a couple of different things. So starting with this, if you're nice enough to come and appear on my show, the only person who is on my show every single day is me. Jalen Rose is a full-time member of the show and he was an original host on the show, but obviously with the NBA playoffs, his responsibilities have him in L.A. and on the road so much. And then the rest of the cast is just constantly revolving. We have some people who are more regular than others, but by and large, everyone who appears with me is a guest. And so I think it is imperative that everyone gets a chance to say what they want to say.

I think it would be totally unreasonable for me to ask you to fly in from wherever you're coming from to spend, you know, however much time you are in New York and not get the opportunity to do your thing on my show. So I feel very much obliged to make sure that you and everybody get a chance to really be themselves and express whatever it is they may want to on the show. Now, as far as balance and all the rest of that, yes, I think that I'd like to think that I'm an open-minded person, which is to say, I think a truly open-minded person is open to hearing everyone's perspective on everything and always willing to have my mind changed on almost anything. And, you know, I remember Max Kellerman once said we were in a disagreement about something and he said, I love debating because either I prove how smart I am or I learn something.

And that's sort of the way I approach it. So I remember the day you're talking about it. Isaiah Thomas was there. We were talking about a variety of topics. And those are serious and they're important, and they are things that make people react to very strongly. It is very difficult to maintain reason when you feel a lot of emotion. And those are subjects that people are very emotional about. I try and be as reasonable as I can when it comes to stuff like that.

But I hope that anyone feels like, with almost no exception, anyone's point of view is welcome on my show. I mean, there are obviously certain places that we're not going to go, but by and large, anyone who wants to bring some honest emotion to my show is more than welcome to do so. It's getting good, isn't it? Oh, yeah.

Little Greeny. What a guy, man. Straight off a golf course, spending his Memorial Day with us. Nice guy. Now that we had J.J. Watt last week and Greeny today, plus Alexander and Greeny today, plus Alexander Rossi later today, you know what I'm going to do tonight? Sleep great.

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It's incredible watching you work. I want to let you know, that's the one thing I very much have noticed since doing that show is just watching you balance and kind of handle the chaos that's happening all around you during that show is the most impressive thing that I've got a chance to watch. And it's like, whenever you watch a maestro conduct an orchestra or a painter paint, it's like something next level, honestly. Because you've got notes flying into you. You've got this happening. You've got this happening. This person wants to say this. You kind of got to balance it all. And it's so impressive. With that being said, Get Up is your show. Mike and Mike for 17 years was dominant on the radio and on TV. Then you make this transition into a new chapter with Get Up. Did you feel a lot

of pressure? Your legacy was going to be judged on how Get Up did because you are taking this big leap to do a new show? I felt a lot of pressure. I wouldn't say it was because of my legacy. I don't think sports announcers have legacies. Maybe a very, very small handful of them do. Maybe someone like Howard Cosell has a legacy. Maybe someone like Jim Nance will have a legacy.

For the most part, and I appreciate all the nice things you said about me, and I do think I'm pretty good at this job. But I'm also, I think that I will be forgotten very, very quickly after I'm able to make will come in the area of cancer research or a couple of other things that I work in or something else. Maybe someday I'll write a book that people will read long after I'm gone. Otherwise, I'm a sports talk show host. And I think I'm a good one, but those are generally not quite as difficult to come by and not someone who is destined to be remembered long after their time. So I felt a lot of pressure. Hey, hold on. You can't be this. I am sick of you being this humble. I am sick of it. I want to let you know I'm sick. All kidding aside, no one is less humble than me. I have an extraordinarily healthy self-opinion. Do you think 10 years after I'm

gone, do you honestly think people are going, whenever it is I retire, and I hope that's not for another 20 years or so. I honestly, I mean, people might remember the show. But I don't think people will be talking about me the way they remember. You know, look, let's put it this way. Let me give you a better example. I'm going to win this argument if indeed this is an argument. It is. Today I did a, what we call a down barrel, one of these essays, on-camera essays about Bart Starr. Yep. Bart Starr died yesterday at the age of 85. He's one of the greatest quarterbacks that ever lived. He still has the highest postseason passer rating of any quarterback in history, which is ludicrous

when you consider that every passer rating has turned over 10 times since then, but he still has the best passer rating in the playoffs. He still has the best winning percentage in the playoffs. He remains the only quarterback ever to have won three consecutive championships and the only one to win five championships within any decade. And do you know that most people have no idea who he was? None. Most of the fans that I was talking to today, legitimate sports fans, don't remember Bart Starr. So if they don't remember Bart Starr 30 years after his career, I think it's pretty unlikely they're going to remember Greeny of 30 days after Bart Starr. Let me tell you why. People woke up with you for 17 years. You were on TVs and in radios with people while they went to work.

They shared their life with the Mike and Mike crew. Then you guys separate to do your own things and then get up happens. You didn't feel any sense of pressure like, hey, this is going to be a massive ordeal for me and how I'm going to be remembered? Right. No, not for how I'm going to be remembered.

Absolutely not. But that doesn't mean I didn't feel a lot of pressure. I felt a lot of pressure because I understood that this was a really big undertaking for the network this was a big thing we were trying to do here and that it wasn't easy um and i learned so much from it like the beginning of it was so interesting to me like they give you we were three hours then we're two now but they gave us three hours and they said, go do something in the morning on TV that's at least a little bit different from anything anyone else is doing. Go. And all you can do is make a bunch of educated guesses as to what that may be.

And no matter how hard you try, no matter how good the people you have around you are, no matter how smart you are, you're going to get a bunch of that wrong. And so we guessed. We got some of it right, some of it wrong. We started adjusting and adapting immediately. But unlike something like Mike and Mike, where we started out with no one paying any attention to us, in this case, we went through all of our growing pains under a really, you know, really bright light. It was a microscope on us. And so that was a challenge. There's no question that was a challenge. So that was the part of it. Trying to get the show right was where I felt the pressure. It had nothing to do with how am I going to remember what I'm done. It was really more about I need

to figure this out. Like I need to figure out what it is that American sports fans want to get up in the morning and watch on television that is at least a little bit different from anything that has been there in the past. And I think that we are working our way towards that. And we certainly haven't gotten it exactly right yet, but I think we're getting closer and closer. And so I would say that the answer to your question is, yes, I did feel a lot of pressure to succeed. They gave me this really big responsibility and said, here, Greeny, go do this.

And I felt an enormous obligation to come through for them. But it was much less about how I might be remembered 20 years from now, because who knows what's going to happen between now and then. I've got a lot of career left. I would say that I felt a lot of pressure because this was a big undertaking for a lot of people whom I like, who put a lot of faith in me, and I didn't want to let them down. Well, I think you've done a great job. The show is very entertaining. I think it gives great takes. I think there's a lot of knowledge to be dropped on there,

and every time I get to come on, I very much appreciate it. Let's swing now to the sports world. The NBA now is faced with an incredible opportunity here with the entire country of Canada potentially rallying around one team in Toronto. Do you think there's any chance that the Raptors can beat the Golden State Warriors? And how will ESPN cover the entire country of Canada being excited about one team rolling? I don't know the answer to the second part of that.

I mean, it is an interesting phenomenon that you really do have this national fan base behind this team. Unfortunately, it's a different this team unfortunately it's a different nation but it's a good nation yeah of course it's a proximate nation so and all that part of it is good um so i i think that's good the raptors being in there are good i for one am kind of excited to see some new blood and some new faces in there the warriors and the calves four straight years obviously it was great. And I do think the postseason missed LeBron to a significant degree. But I, as a fan of the sport all my life, am happy to see a new team in there

and something different from what we've been seeing in the past. In the absence of Kevin Durant, and I do not think Durant is going to play at all. In the absence of Kevin Durant, I give the Raptors a puncher's chance. I do not expect them to win. I picked on the air today Warriors in six. If KD was playing, I would take the Warriors in five. But I do see a way that Toronto wins this. I think if Kawhi is awesome, I think they have great defense.

I had a long conversation with Tom Thibodeau today, who is like a basketball savant. And he was talking to me about great length, because I was complaining about Milwaukee's offensive execution. I was just looking for a game seven. I really didn't care who won that series, but I really wanted a seventh game. And so I got very frustrated watching Milwaukee play offense, or if you could even, it's almost an insult to offense anywhere to describe what they did in that fourth quarter Saturday night as offense.

And he was telling me, Greene, you were selling short what Toronto was doing defensively, and they have all these all-defensive players. Kawhi Leonard, Defensive Player of the Year. Marc Gasol, Defensive Player of the Year. Pascal Siakam, Outstanding Defender. They have a bunch of really good defenders. So if they can make life a little bit more difficult for the splash brothers guard on the perimeter a little bit just take completely away anyone whose names are not Steph Clay or

Draymond in that series then yeah they have home court advantage I think they'll win one of the first two at home and so so I if I had to predict right now I would predict I'll go back to Golden State 1-1 and then the question is can Toronto find a way to win one of those two games in Oakland? If they do, then I think they have a real chance to win the series. And otherwise, I think Golden State will either win it in five or a relatively easy six. You talked about just talking to Thibodeau there. Who's somebody you talked to where you got a little starstruck? Anybody?

Because when I was there, you just got stars coming. I think after i left magic johnson came in the next week it was just like everybody comes through there who is somebody you've been starstruck that you got a chance to talk to well i mean over the course of my career i've i've had the the opportunity to meet just about every hero i ever had growing up as a kid and they're still the ones i get the most excited about like that the more current i'm a lot older than you are so no as as as great as it is to see someone like i'm just trying to think of an example of a great modern day play someone like lebron james or anyone else like i remember him when he was in high school oh you know and i mean i admire him greatly please don't get me

wrong that's not what i mean but but even a guy like like like you played with peyton manning who was who was you know one of the five, who's, who's, you know, one of the five greatest quarterbacks that ever lived. You know, I don't, I don't feel in awe of him in part because I'm just older than him and it would just, it's just kind of weird. But like I did an event this past week with Joe Namath. Now, when I was a kid, Joe Namath was, we were, I lived in a household where we did not have any religion.

Our deity was Joe Namath. That was, that were, I lived in a household where we did not have any religion. Our deity was Joe Namath. That was who we believed in. That was who we worshipped. I've said many times, my mother would have left my father for Joe Namath, and my father would have applauded her for doing that. So the first time I met Namath, and I've done a few things with him. The first time I met Namath, I couldn't believe that we were in the same room. The first time I met Walt Frazier, I grew up in New York in the 70s. So my two heroes, my idols, because not only were they great athletes and I was a sports crazed kid, but not only were they great players, but they just had a coolness about them that I just

loved were Joe Namath and Walt Frazier. And the first time I ever met either of them, each of them, I think was the most excited I've ever been to meet anyone. And then I've also met a lot of people from outside the sports world that I went crazy. The time Jerry Seinfeld came on Mike and Mike, I almost couldn't talk. I loved that show. I used to say he put my life, I was a thin, single, neat guy living on my own at the time that show was on the air. I basically said he took my life, put it on TV, and made a billion dollars. I loved him. And so when I met Jerry for the first time, I would say I was very starstruck.

It's mostly some of the older players, the people that I grew up watching and admiring, even ones who might not have been as, as famous to everyone else, but guys who were very big to me, very big deal to me. Like when I met, to me again, growing up in the seventies,

like Bob Greasy was a very big deal. Terry Bradshaw was a very big deal. Ken Stabler, Roger Staubach. That's the era of football I grew up watching. And so anytime I ever was in a, the first Super Bowl I ever covered for ESPN, I got invited. Someone got sick. Robin Roberts and someone, and now honestly, I can't remember who it was. I'm embarrassed. It might've been Ron Jaworski, were supposed to host this Super Bowl party. And Jaws, I believe,

got sick. And so they asked me to fill in, to pinch in. This was the first year of Mike and Mike. I couldn't have been less famous, but I happened to be standing there. So they said, can you just come show up and introduce a few people with Robin? So I did. And at this party was basically every NFL star from the 70s. And I remember calling my dad. This was before there was texting, and my father never would have texted anyway. But I remember calling my dad and saying, Dad, you are not going to believe where I am.

But I'm in a room, and Too Tall Jones is here. And, like, Lin Swan is here. I remember the guys, all these great players from that era, all these players of the 70s. Those are the guys I grew up watching. And then from basketball, Julius Irving and Elvin Hayes and people like that that so it's a very long-winded answer to what was a pretty direct question no it's good answer by the way those were the guys those are the guys i've been the most in awe of with the guys i grew up watching okay so you mentioned broadway joe there early as being the guy that was back when the jets were good at football now they're firing their gm after

spending hundreds of millions of dollars doing an entire draft round, and now they're in a situation where a guy who looked very lost at his opening press conference is now in the same position as Bill Belichick, both as GM and head coach. The state of the Jets is a hilarious one. You're one of the most famous Jets fans. Is there any hope for the New York Jets in the next decade to see any success?

Well, actually, I think the answer is yes. And if there's one thing that bothers me the most about what I would describe as the utter ineptitude of the ownership and the way that situation was handled, it is that things were going so well like i i did not like i did not think mike mccagnan did a good job i thought he deserved to get fired when they fired bowls if were up to me i would have fired the general manager mccagnan as well and started over again from there because this was the most important offseason the jets have ever had in their entire franchise they had to hire a new coach they had a high draft pick. Every team has that one year that they've been building up to financially, and this is the year they're

going to spend all their money. Everyone in the world knew this was that year. So this was the year to totally remake the franchise. So I was not in favor of letting McKagnon do that. But the owner decided to. And I said, okay, he's he's backing his guy okay and so they went out they hired a coach and i thought it was the right coach everyone in new york was very down on the hiring of gaze i was not you need someone to work with the quarterback the one thing gaze has always done well is work with the quarterback peyton manning loved him jay cutler loved him ryan tannehill loved him the quarterbacks love him so the jets need to develop the young quarterback in donald i'm on board with that i was good good with that hiring. They spent a bunch of money.

Do I think the Le'Veon Bell contract is going to look real good three years from now? No, I don't. But I do think giving the young quarterback that guy at this stage of his career is a good move, and it's worth whatever money they had to spend on it. And then the draft, I think it fell to them, but I mean, they got the guy that almost everyone was telling me was the best player in the whole draft at number three in Quinn and Williams. You let the guy do the whole draft.

I felt very optimistic. I felt like things were sort of going in a positive direction. So to then, 18 days later, do a deep dive and realize you have to fire your general manager this second. The most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of in my entire life. And it is an example of just utter mismanagement and ineptitude.

And in all honesty, if the New York Jets were a publicly traded company and Christopher Johnson was the CEO, the board of directors would fire him with cause immediately. Having said that, that's not the way it works. I still think, once you sort of get past how awful that looked that they're in a reasonably decent place they have a a guy who i think and i'd be interested to hear if you agree i saw a lot of signs from sam darnold last year that suggested me he might be a really good player and they got a good slot receiver for him and jameson crowder

and they got levy on bell who should be a terrific addition and they have a bunch a really good player and they got a good slot receiver for him and Jamison Crowder and they got Le'Veon Bell who should be a terrific addition and they have a bunch of really good young players on defense including obviously Jamal Adams who's one of the best young defensive players in the whole sport and they drafted this guy Quinn and Williams or they have Leonard Williams they have some players and they have a coach who I think is a good offensive mind and they have a defensive coach in Greg Williams who you know whatever happened in New Orleans happened but I think is a good offensive mind, and they have a defensive coach in Greg Williams, who, you know, whatever happened in New Orleans happened, but I think he's always been an effective defensive coordinator. So I actually think the pieces are in place for what could be a decent team, which is why I was so frustrated that this happened last week or two weeks ago now, I guess

it was, because it just made the Jets look terrible when it felt like they were going in the right direction. But I still think there is a chance they could be decent this year and on their way to being better than that. I'll tell you what, you sound so much like every New York Jet fan I've ever heard in my entire life. You think so?

So pessimistically optimistic. It's an incredible... I think Lev Bell helps out a young quarterback more than anybody could ever imagine. I mean, they're going to have to load the box because Lev Bell's there. Also, Lev Bell's a weapon out of the backfield as a wide receiver. I think Sam Darnold shows glimpses of something spectacular, but it's all in coaching and surrounding it.

I'm excited to see it. But it just feels like – and this is just an outsider looking in, and I think you probably feel the same way. Somehow, someway, the Jets are going to Jets. I mean, that's just what's going to happen. But I love the team. I like the way. And Brant Boyer, your special teams coordinator, good guy,

just for future reference. He'll roll the dice a little bit. So I like the team a lot. I just think the Jets always find a way to fuck themselves. I mean, it always seems to happen. I don't think you Jets fans deserve it. Last question is this. Yeah.

What is the end game for Mike Greenberg? You said you want to write another book that people will remember in 30 years from now. Do you want to executive produce a show that's a, whenever you're retired, do you want to be on a call? Do you want to own the Jets? You want to GM a team? What is the end game? You want to be a professional golfer? You just got off the course today. Well, so you've just, you've just listed a bunch of options, many of which i would choose were they realistic so uh if i could be a professional golfer i would do that immediately how is your game uh my game is is by the i mean it's i'm at my index is 8.2 so i mean

depending on how good you are that's either reasonably good or terrible like i i know a bunch of people who are way better than me and and they're never making a living playing golf. Let's put it that way. So that's not on the list of options. I would like to broadcast golf. I had the opportunity to dip my toe in that water at the Masters. ESPN gets the rights to the PGA Championship next year, and I would love to be involved in that. And I would love to slowly work my way into a little bit of the coverage of golf, because that is my favorite sport. I'd like to keep doing the show that I'm doing now. I told, uh, the people I work for that in my head, I have it in my head that I'm gonna do the show for 10 years. I love it.

I love the lifestyle I want. I love being in New York. I like, I like everything about it. My goal is to do that for roughly 10 years and then sort of assess where I am. By that time I will have been doing a daily show, basically five days a week week every day for 30 years and it might be time to sort of at that point it'll be 30 years so I'll sort of work my way

see where I want to go at that point in the meantime I have my hands in a bunch of different things and we'll see what happens I have a few shows that we're developing both that are scripted and some that are unscripted I am writing another book

so we'll see what winds up coming through. But in the interim, I still feel at the very beginning of this show, and I still feel like I want to make sure it gets to a place where it is solid and repeatable, and we can continue to do it for as long as I want to do it. And I think we're heading in that direction. Are you writing a sitcom? I have written multiple sitcoms. What? I didn't know you were a screenwriter. I don't know how much you know about that.

When you say that as though you've done it, it's a tough gig. But if you write a sitcom, you basically, the way I would describe it is there were like 10 hurdles you have to jump over for it to get on the air. I've gotten on some of them as far as like 7 hurdles, but none of them have ever been on the air but yes i have two of them in the

pipeline now and we'll see if if anything ever winds up happening i had no idea that you were just a screenwriter behind i when do you find the time it makes no sense you gotta you gotta executive produce a show in the morning then you gotta do all these other obligations and then just at night before you go to bed with your beautiful bride stacy by the way a lot of fun to follow on the internet you just go ahead and write a screen like what how does that even happen well see here's the beauty of this i love and i would love you to keep this between us i love i love how busy everyone perceives me to be all right i i have i have a job that ends at 10 o'clock in the morning. I have a lot of time to do stuff. When we started Mike and Mike, over the course of time that I did Mike and Mike, I got off the air

at 10 o'clock in the morning. I wrote, over the course of that stretch, I wrote five books, I shaved 14 shots off my handicap, and I picked my kids up at school literally every day. That's what life is like when your job ends at 10 o'clock in the morning. The flip side of that is that for 18 years, I got up at three o'clock. That was a trade off. And it was one that I would make again, 100 times out of 100 for all of the opportunities that I've had, primarily with my kids. My daughter is graduating from high school next week, and I'm going through a really, really wistful time with that, to be completely honest with you. She's going to college in the fall, and it's just impossible for me to believe. And my son Stephen and I were just out playing golf today, and he's 16.

So that stage in our lives is sort of coming to an end. But when my kids were little, I was at school with them literally every day. I picked them up from school every single day. And that was the best time I've ever had. And so I would not give that part of it up for anything. Look, I wouldn't give up any of it. Who is luckier at the end of the day than I am? I'm just a kid who grew up in New York City who loved sports. And to the point that you made off the beginning of the conversation, I mean, look what's happened to me. So, you know, I'm probably the most fortunate person I know. And I just am going to continue to try and do things the way I have been doing them, you know, for the next little while. But to go back to the reason that we started this, I have more than enough time to write books and write scripts

and any number of other things that I've been doing. Because, you know, as you know, we roll out of there at latest, like 11 o'clock in the morning, and I have my whole day ahead of me. Well, I want to let you know, it wasn't given. It's earned, Mr. Greenberg. You deserve every single part of it. And if there's any extra spots, you know, it wasn't given. It's earned, Mr. Greenberg. You deserve every single part of it. And if there's any extra spots, you know, for like bartender, bouncer, or anything you got going on at sitcom, I'd love to be cast. I'm just looking for it, you know what I mean? You know what?

I could easily see there being a place for you in almost anything I get involved in. Let's stay in touch on that. Hey, you're the best. Good luck with that. Thank you so much for your hospitality on your show and for coming on here today. I know you don't do a lot of interviews because you're so busy all the time. I am so thankful. And you're the man, dude.

Good luck with everything. Another 10 years of greatness. I can't wait to watch. Thank you. It was a pleasure. Let's do it again. And I'll see you in New York sometime soon. You got it, ladies and gentlemen.

Northwestern University grad. Voice of Get Up. And Mike and Mike. New York Times bestseller, and maybe fucking Scorsese by the end of this whole thing, Mike Greenberg. Thank you, man. Thank you very much. It was a pleasure.

That was fun. So, so nice of you to do this. You're the best. I'm good. I'm a pretty good golfer, by the way. What's that? I'm a pretty good golfer. I'm guessing you are.

All your football players are good golfers what is your index uh it depends it can go anywhere from like a 13 to a two it depends on how i'm playing in the day well the next time you're in town let's go my play at bayonne it's a fun place to go and it's easy to get to from our studio so the next time you come do the show we'll go right from the set all right i'll bring my clubs i appreciate you man all right good to talk to you you too congr Congrats to your daughter graduating high school. Oh, Jesus. She graduates a week from Thursday.

I'm never going to live through this experience. College is going to be some wild times there to be a dad. I know. She'll be fine. She's more than mature enough for this. It's me who's not. Empty nest is a real kick in the ass, man. I'll be i'll be

excited to see you handle it that's another thing you got to organize chaos that you deal with on a daily basis you know what i mean watching those papers come into you and then like we're live in three seconds you go when they're right now and then we're live and then you're reading and then you're throwing it is a talent man it's fun to watch oh thank you thank you very much i've been doing it a long time so i guess i somewhere along the line, I figured it out. Hey, by the way, my last name, McAfee. And I get it wrong every goddamn time. For some reason, I always want to say McCaffrey. I don't know why. And obviously, I know your name. And yet, every single time I look at you, my inclination is to say McCaffrey. And yet, somehow, I almost think that's gotten – it's almost good.

It's almost better. I don't know why, but for some reason, I feel like it works in every way. Well, it works for me. It helps me tell the story better. And also, my people on the internet respect it a lot more. And I might just change my name to McCaffrey, to be honest with you. All right, fellas. Thank you, Greeny.

Take care, Pat. I'll see you. Good guy. Yeah. Thank you, Greeny. Take care, Pat. I'll see you. Good guy. Yeah. A little too humble for my liking. A little bit too humble? It was a little bit

too humble. I mean... He's kind of jocking your most humble guy on Earth thing. Yeah, it's really hard to talk for 30 minutes about yourself

and then still spin how humble you are, you know? He is, though. He should be. No, he was great. Honestly, he is so good in the pre-show meetings there at ESPN. He's the point guy for it.

I mean, he's a part of all. I didn't even ask about his Louboutins. He only wears Louboutins shoes. Nice. But he is so cool. You know how he's like king of the forum, I guess, of everybody right now? He's just the master of running the show. It would be cool to see if he ever, because he writes books,

he's obviously a great storyteller and he likes that. It would be cool to see as he progresses, does he end up doing more long-form biographical one-on-one stuff like Costas used to do? You know what I mean? I think he would be great at that, him and some legendary athlete. What's that show? It was originally with Joe Buck, and now it's with Dan Patrick.

It's called Unsomething. I've seen it,'ve seen it yeah it's uninterrupted or something uninterrupted maybe i think he would be the next good host of that because it's just a sit down hour-long conversation in front of a crowd i i haven't seen dan patrick's version i'm sure it's incredible but i watch a lot of joe bucks he had jerry jones on there and there and that was where Jerry Jones gave the quote of all quotes where he's like, sometimes you're sitting in the fairway and you're 225 yards out on a par five and there's always an option to lay up

or you just hit that motherfucker right to the green. I go for the green every single time, Joe Buck. And that was just a quote that really stuck with me. I think I was watching it late night one night, like 2 a.m., and I'm like, Jerry Jones is that motherfucker. That show would be great with Greeny on it.

It would because, I mean, those are the best shows because these are legends, and you want to know more about them. And a guy like that, because he would bring a different energy than anybody's done in the past. Did you hear him just rattle off all of Bart Starr's stats, by the way? He still has the highest postseason, ba-ba-ba-ba. He has this-a-da-da. He has da-da-da- blah, blah, blah, blah. He has this, da, da, da. He has da, da, da, da, da, da, da.

And I'm like, where are your notes at? He was awesome, man. Found a little issue there at the beginning, but we're all good. Definition of a consummate professional. Yeah, true. I thought he was going to be an asshole. When I walked into that first pre-show meeting,

I thought he was going to be a complete asshole. Honestly, I was like, all right. Because you sit down, he showed up like 10 minutes before the meeting started. The meeting starts like 6 a.m or something like 6 30 you got to be there i don't know if it's 6 a.m or 6 30 but you get there and there's this one little glass room it's on that pier right there in new york that they build up in seaport and they're like be here at this time this one a meeting starts and i think i was the first person there it's like i couldn't sleep the night before i'm like all right this is gonna be my first time

really on espn this is a big deal and i i'd be bop they offered me a ride but i was like no i'm gonna walk so i put in my airpods you know i'm just walking through like new york city there's nobody there i'm like this is a fucking movie right now you know and seaport is this area that has like cobblestone bricks on the ground it's like a really cool area then you walk down this pier and then you get up there and they're like espn i'm like you have to go all the way up and i'm listening to music still and i get in there and they're like, ESPN? I'm like, yep, they go all the way up and I'm listening to music still. And I get in there and there's nobody there yet. I'm literally the first person there.

And then a producer walks in. He's like, oh, the meeting will be in there in like 10, 15 minutes. I was like, cool, I'll just go sit by myself in this corner. So I sit in the corner and I sit down in this room. And then people start to funnel in, you know. And I'm like, hi, my name's Pat. Nice to meet you. Hi, my name's Pat. Nice to meet you. And I'm like,

okay, this is cool. And then there's a big TV that's up in Connecticut. Where's that? Bristol or Stanford? Bristol. Bristol, Connecticut. There's like eight people on a TV there. Then there's like seven people. And then all of a sudden fucking Greeny comes walking in, and he sits down. And before he would say anything, he said, Patrick, thank you so much for coming. It's an honor to have you here, sir i was like well goddamn nice to meet you too man that was like my actual response and everybody in the room laughed and then we started the meeting and they start pitching out ideas like what we should talk about what's hot topics you know and i was like kind of scared to interrupt i didn't want to interrupt anybody and greeny like stopped the meeting like three

times he was like pat how do you feel about this? And I was like, I think blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He's like, perfect. That's beautiful. Don't make fun of his baby, but that's awesome. It was like a Drew Brees thing. He really was looking out for me. And I was like, man, you don't have to do this.

This is so nice of you. He is a consummate gentleman and professional. And I'm so thankful he came on. So thankful he came on. Anything you didn't get to ask? Well, no, no, no. When you were bringing up what his... He had said many, many times on Mike & Mike

that his dream job would be commissioner of the MLB. When you were rattling off those things, that's what I thought I was going to chirp in. I could see him being a Nance alternative. Yeah. Well, also, when Todd was talking about Costas, he's also talked about many times how Costas is is his idol like he i so can see that too and because they're similar in just how they are and who they are as people yeah that came up as sports fans not really playing

sports or whatever but right so when you compare it to costas or maybe being like that it's perfect because he said that's his that's been his idol growing up very very thankful for him coming on tweet him at espPN Greeny. Please tell him we said thank you for stopping by. I mean, what a legend there. How about him just knocking down sitcoms on a regular basis? Writing books. What a guy.

Thank him so much. At ESPN Greeny for coming on. He spent his Memorial Day on the golf course. With a Y. Make sure people know that. It's not IE. With a Y, not IE. Good call.

Hey, you. Just looking out. Just looking out. So humble. With a Y. Make sure people know that. It's not IE. Yeah, you're doing the Y, not IE. Good call. Hey, you. Just looking out. Just looking out. Hey, you're so humble, man. I know. I know. You should have seen the looks Nick was giving whenever he went in that little humble. That was a lot.

He's one of the most successful sportscasters in the history of sports. Yeah, we know. I mean, you said he is a voice. Him and SVP are the voices of ESPN. That's what they are. Start in the morning and end in the morning. Now, Stephen A. Smith mean, you said he is a voice. Him and SVP are the voices of ESPN. That's what they are. Start in the morning and end in the morning. Now, Stephen A. Smith just got $10 million. I agree.

Stephen A. Smith, hell of a voice from ESPN. Yeah. But Greeny is that guy. For some reason, I don't associate because Greeny and SVP have been at ESPN forever. And Stephen A. Smith has. I feel like he's more of a hired assassin. Well, that was a real thing, too, because I learned this with Bob and Tom. People wake up with you.

They literally feel like they're starting their day with you. So for 17 years, people just started their day with Mike Greenberg and Mike Golic. Like you become a part of their routine, their ritual. That's why whenever he decided to leave, it's like, there's a lot of people that are probably like,

Hey man, you're, you're kind of fucking up my morning routine. You know what I mean? And him saying that he felt the pressure of like living up to what ESPN was putting behind it. Like, that's a cool way to think about it. Yeah. I mean? And him saying that he felt the pressure of living up to what ESPN was putting behind it, that's a cool way to think about it. Yeah, I mean, they're taking a big chance with that. I think they launched an entire new studio down there.

They did. Yeah, they built that thing for them. It's beautiful. It is a beautiful setup. And I think that show is only getting better, by the way. From the first time I went there to watching it to now, it's like you see the big brains happening behind the scenes kind of cooking. Good for Greeny, man.

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Now, let's get to a man who did some damage in America's race. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, FaceTiming in from what looks to be a terrorist cave. A guy who is thin, but mighty behind the wheel. Yesterday at the Indy 500 to 103rd running, there was a yellow and blue Napa know-how machine just weaving and dealing all the way to the very end. He's a pilot.

It's like a Ric Flair introduction, bro. You deserve it, man, after what you did the other day. He's won the Indy 500 before. He was once going to be a Formula One racer, came to America, won the Indy 500 in his first once going to be a Formula One racer came to America won the Indy 500 in like his first race and said well fuck it I'll stay here in America he's a host of one of the greatest podcasts I've listened to off track with Hinch and Rossi ladies and gentlemen Alexander Rossi thanks man appreciate you hey thank you for joining us. Are you upset here a day after coming in second in the Indy 500 by half a second?

That has to be tough to swallow. I'm not happy about it. It was a range of emotions yesterday, right? Because obviously the race started out. We had a good car. We got to the front when we needed to. And then shit kind of hit the fan. And we were dealing with a lot of different levels of adversity.

I was probably the most angry I've ever been up, been in a race car, um, kind of got to the lead with 15 laps to go. And ultimately we just didn't have the speed to get it done. So I was dejected at the end of the race. Um, but ultimately, you know, I think it was an awesome 130 running of the Indy 500. It was a great show. Great to have NBC as a partner for this one and to really bring IndyCar back to where it should be. So ultimately, it was a success for the series,

which is good for all of us. But yeah, no, today still sucks. You stole the show, man. I know Salmon did the sweep of May here, winning the Grand Prix, the pole, and the Indy 500. He had an incredible car. There was a lot of chatter about that. But the way you were driving reminded me, like,

back in the day when racing was, like, number one, when people, like, wanted to pull for their guy to go and get it, kind of balls to the wall. And I feel like, is that your style normally? You're a bit aggressive on a normal basis, but yesterday it seemed like a little bit of a different animal. No, I think that is my style. It's just's just much it's i don't let it out in verbally and as expressively as i did yesterday so the thing that really set me off if we're going to be honest was so we came into the pits from the lead um and for the third indy 500 in four years, like we couldn't get fuel on the car.

And this was through no fault of any person. It was a mechanical failure. It happens to the best of them. But it was just like, here we go again. We're coming in in a really good position. And the thing that's plagued me, granted, it's what set me up for the victory in 2016. But irregardless, it it's been a just a hurdle that we haven't been able to overcome for one reason or another and um you know usually the

pit stops are seven to eight seconds this one was 23 seconds and i just lost it you were beating the hell out of your little steering wheel there they were talking about how each of those steering wheels is like worth a million dollars beating the living hell out of that thing. During the red flag, they asked me, they were like, do we need to bring you the spare? Because they were concerned that I broke the screen or something. And I actually have a left wrist injury that I've had kind of since the winter. And I was beating it so hard with my right hand that now I have a right wrist injury. So I'm just doubly screwed for Detroit next week.

You drove by a guy who was a lap down, and it seemed as if he was kind of blocking you. He was. Okay. I think his name is Oriol Serbia or something like that. Yep, that's him. You drove by him at 220 miles an hour with your injured wrist now that we're knowing and you lifted it up in a fist are you guys told that you can't flip middle fingers during the race and that was just kind of like uh you get it this is a fuck you i mean

we're not told but i mean you know my part my main partner's nap auto parts and then you know i drive for honda and i mean those are two fairly conservative brands, so I don't want to be that guy. But I think the point came across without me actually having to do it. I agree, 1,000%. I feel like it was a win-win. What I was impressed by is when I'm riding shotgun and somebody's driving on a highway, okay? Yes. I like to do the air dolphin out the window.

You know what I mean? Dolphin, dolphin, dolphin, dolphin. out the window you know what i mean dolphin dolphin dolphin dolphin cobra you know what i mean and whenever your hand's locked up in that cobra and if it's going like 70 80 miles an hour it's hard to get your hand yes back into a standard window you're going 220 miles an hour just rocking your fist like an old fucking man and then you had to get that thing back down in the cockpit were you a little bit worried that that thing wasn't going to come back in any point? Well, you see, I wanted to do the dolphin, but I didn't have the range of motion. But no, I wasn't.

At that point, I was so beyond kind of thinking about things logically. I mean, honestly, and i know this kind of sounds bad to say but it was it was that moment it was just a red mist fueled like 20 laps like it was i had had elio castroneves who was who was four laps down and the teammate to simon pagino on team penske who was purposely like getting in the way when Simon and I were on different pit stop strategy. That was thing number one that kind of got me riled up. Then we had the pit stop issue and then Serbia was a lab down and blocking as I

was trying to get my positions back. So it was these three things in the, in the span of like 20 minutes. And I just, at that point I was gone. Like it was, i am going to win this race i don't care period end of discussion and we got close but ultimately it wasn't enough hey that competitiveness is nice to hear though it's like in golf and in racing it always feels

like when people lose they're like oh we gave it a good go today the car just didn't have it it's like a it's i don't want to say it's too gentlemanly for me but it is it's almost too gentlemanly for me like like golf if a guy misses he's like oh just ball wasn't falling away well well fuck it it could have you chose for it not to in most sports in physical sports there's a lot of competitive juices going and i think you showing that is good for indycar that's why i don't know what everybody else is telling you but i think it's good for indycar well dude so like i i was disappointed obviously last night going out to dinner with kind of my close group of friends and family and like we just started looking at the the social media and people were like such a fan of that i didn't i never realized that because for me you know i came from racing in

europe and you know you're very much supposed to kind of be in this corporate box and kind of follow the script and do what they say and be who they, as the team, want you to be. And so coming to IndyCar, I knew that the fans really had an attachment to drivers and their personalities and who they actually were. But I never really showed a huge amount because still, I go to the racetrack to do a job and the job is to win. And if we do that, then great. If not, it's a disappointment. But yesterday, people, I guess, had an attachment to the frustration and anger a little bit. So that's cool. Well, it looked like you really wanted to go win it as opposed to just let something.

It was like you really wanted to go win that thing. And when you're talking about the Indy 500, you're talking about the grandest spectacle in racing or whatever. I mean, it was just cool to see that side. Danica, I watched the stream for the first time. I stole it, so you guys don't get any credit for that. I apologize. Probably going to fuck up the contract later for you. Sweet, thanks.

Yeah, no problem. Well, I think they should show it in Indianapolis. That's either here or there. I don't want to get into the business of it. But I stole the stream through Reddit. Shout out Nick, smarter than me. Sent me a stream to watch it at my house while I was watching my dogs. All nine of them.

Too many, dude. Yeah. Rossi, there's too many animals there. Did you watch my IG story after the race? I didn't, no. I thought it maybe brought you some solace. I thought really I was part of it. But I'm watching it, and Danica and dale earnhardt jr they're talking

before the race right and it's right before the race goes off and i've been a part of this crew there's just humans on the racetrack literally seven minutes before the fucking race is about to kick off yeah and they asked danica about it and danica gave this apology basically if she was ever rude to anybody because danica does have a reputation around indiana and indianapolis for being rude to humans and i assume it all revolves around this time here she said you're so tunnel vision and so locked in you're just trying to get to your car but you got fans everywhere asking you for autographs and stuff like that it could be a bit distracting how do you handle the pre-race jitters knowing that you're about to go to war here for uh 200 laps and really get after it?

Honestly, I disagree with Danica. I think the 500 is the most controlled race that there is. So we look at Long Beach, for example, and that is just an absolute kind of shit show of just humans all around your car, and you're putting your helmet on and everything and they're asking for a selfie and autographs and like you you you have to say yes even though in your mind you're like stay away like this is ridiculous i'm trying to to get in the car but the 500 i think they do a pretty good job of keeping it pretty much under control of who's out there

but i i think the the more important side of it is you try and approach the morning as if it's just another race, right? You have your strategy meetings, you meet with your engineer, all of the normal things you would do any weekend. But then you have an hour of kind of the pageantry and the buildup and all of the salute to service and the national anthem and everything that goes along with the Indy 500 Memorial Day weekend and you can't help but be caught up in that moment like there's just the emotions you have because you realize at that point that you're one of 33 people that are so lucky to be able to do that so for me that's the hardest part is kind of coming down from that high and getting back to

like that killer instinct focused of, yes, this is really cool, but also I have to go do something that's fairly extreme now and be perfected. A lot cooler if you win, too. Yeah, way cooler. Second's kind of irrelevant. Thanks for the reminder. No, I want to let you know, I thought you won the race yesterday from a public standpoint. Now, granted, Simon's going to get a much larger check, and he's going to have an Indy 500 championship, which he hasn't had before, which you already have.

So that's all good. But I think from a public standpoint, you won that fucking race, honestly. It was awesome to watch, dude. Well, that's cool. And that's good to hear, man, because there were so many people in 2016. They didn't know who I was. It was my fourth IndyCar race i i truly i didn't have the the appreciation for the 500 i'd never been to one before so i show up as this kid who yes i

was american and grew up in california but spent the majority of my adult life in europe and was there for seven years so i come back to this race, and I won on strategy, 100%. We did not have the best car that day. We didn't have the car to win the race. But nonetheless, we won, and people were pissed. And in a way, like now that I'm three years removed from that and a full-time guy, like I can almost see that. Because for me, the last thing I want is to go to the 500 this year and have one of like the part-time guys win.

I mean Connor would have been awesome. That would have been amazing. But like some of the other people because it's just like you haven't been through the whole process of the year and the buildup and all of that. So I get why people kind of had that against me whether it was right or wrong um so the fact that you know we've been able to kind of straighten that ship in terms of public perception i think is is really cool and i'm glad to hear that it's going in the right direction oh we're just getting good with alexander rossi things are heating up because there's levels to this shit. You know what I mean?

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I'll be excited to see if it gets past the first round. Heavy weight. Heavy hands. Heavy shit from DAZN. Now back to Alexander Rossi. Well, I think you did an incredible job yesterday. When you're driving in real life. Yes. You're a road rage guy, aren't you? Yeah, it feels good. I'm not did an incredible job yesterday. When you're driving in real life. Yes.

You're a road rage guy, aren't you? Yeah, it feels like. I'm not. I'm really not. It feels like you're probably a road rage guy. I'm not. My girlfriend is. She is like one of the meanest human beings on the planet when she's behind the wheel of a car.

But I'm not. Do you sit shotgun and that's completely okay? No, no, no. She has road rage for me. Oh, she's like eating the ground, no, no. She has road rage for me. Oh, she's like in the go. Fuck that guy. Yes. Yes. But like way worse things than that.

Dick says a question for you. Hey, have you had words or will you have words since the race has ended with Mr. Servia? I haven't seen him, but we all get to go to the banquet tonight, so I'll be seeing him there. Okay. So you all get put on this awkward podium to talk you do have to thank all of your sponsors you have to it's yeah i it only people in indianapolis i think get to watch this it's it's the most awkward thing in the history of anything uh and what's awkward is they start so it's kind of it's it's awkward but it's also entertaining because they start at 33rd.

So they're like the last – the guy that finished last. And so then like he – it's kind of like 33rd to 25th. They're like giving their sob stories. And then 25th to 15th is, oh, I'm the man or woman. I should have won but these are the things that screwed me. the man or woman i should have won but these are the things that screwed me and then 15th to first or 15th to second are just the guys that are pissed off because they probably had a realistic shot but didn't get it done and then the guy that won's happy so it's actually really funny so for those that don't know in indianapolis there's an awards banquet every monday following

the any 500 and they give everybody a chance to speak like he just said everybody goes up on a podium they're asked like hey you're getting a twenty seven thousand dollar check how do you feel about that and then they just go into this full speech about their day and it's just like this and that and sometimes there's some shots taken i'll be excited to hear who takes shots at who or if it'll remain a professional operation up there man there's some drama right because graham and sebastian had had an issue hey whose fault was that i think sebastian's so they were split on the tv it always feels like anytime there's a situation like it's almost like wrestling like half of them take the one side half of them take the other side because they don't want to bury anybody else but it was very much like oh well i mean he did come

down ray hall could have let off the thing with that one is i truly think it was a racing incident like it's i i would say it's 60 sebastian's blame so like still weighted towards him but it's not like it was completely his fault so that's a tough one graham ray also that's how people die yeah well that's dramatic. Ain't no one dying yesterday. It seemed like everybody was happy for Simon Pagina, though. For sure, man. And again, it's kind of what I alluded to earlier.

He's been in the series for, what, 13 years. He's obviously incredibly talented. He's a past IndyCar champion. He drives for one of the best teams in the sport. It's really frustrating that Team Penske now has 18 Indy 500s. He drives for one of the best teams in the sport. It's really frustrating that Team Penske now has 18 Indy 500s. I mean, that's just... That's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah, it's not great, but hey.

That guy's kissed a lot of bricks. That guy's kissed a lot of bricks over there. Kissed a lot of bricks, yeah. And the fact that it's only his 50th anniversary is also wild to think about. Rossi, with like five laps to go, it was kind of clear that whoever was in second had the advantage as far as speed. Was there ever like a strategy in your mind, maybe wait to make a move

with like two, three laps left and then try to hold off with a lap left? Or were you just trying to get to the front no matter when you could? Tony Kanaan said that he thinks Simon kind of set you up for that move a hundred percent that was the strategy here's the problem from when that green flag flew on the final restart and i just got driven by but he was like okay cool bye i was flat for the 13 laps that it took me to catch flat means pedal down all the way full throttle 100 didn't lift got it right to the point and Flat means pedal down all the way. Full throttle, 100%. Didn't lift. Got it. Right?

To the point, and I had every setting in the car from a mechanical standpoint at its most aggressive, like qualifying spec that, you know, the car is the most on the knife edge, the most free, and you're trying to get tenths of miles an hour. And it was to the point where after I was flat for 10 laps and not really going anywhere, I radioed to my engineer. I was like, do you have any suggestions? Because I'm out of ideas. I don't have a solution to catch this guy. They were just that much quicker.

So when I got the run, it was like, I don't want this, but screw it. I don't have a choice. This is the only time I've actually been able to close the gap. Whether he gave it to me or not is irrelevant. agreed it was the only chance i had and all i could do at that point was hope that i was able to like kind of take enough air off of his car that maybe like takuma or joseph would jump him and i could build a buffer with other cars but i knew that if i passed him i was, but I didn't have a choice. Bro, there's so much science into this

fucking thing. Because down the final, whatchamacallit, old Simon was weaving back and forth so you couldn't catch any slingshot. I didn't work in the derby, did I? I get what you just did there. Hey, topical. Hey, should have went to challenge. Hey, there was talk about potentially him blocking you.

Was that a real conversation? Yeah, it was. I mean, it's a legitimate thing, but it's also the last lap of the Indy 500, and I don't fault him for it. I would have done the same thing. So was it a gray area against the rule? Probably, but should he be penalized for it? No.

Okay, so I'm happy that didn't happen, by the way, because on NBCc if the derby had that type of thing and then indy 500 had that type of thing it would have been tough it would have been bad no he deserved to win the race like he was on pole he led 120 laps like that's ridiculous so i mean yeah he was he was the guy do you talk about social media earlier and you were surprised the response you got. Do you see this happening more and more? Because it seems like IndyCar, like Pat said, is the last sport to embrace the fact that it's such a personality-driven fandom. It's a great call, Todd. I think so. Yeah, I mean, I think that we're putting more stock in it and more relevance in it.

And I think you're starting to see guys kind of personalities come out in a stronger light it's kind of why as you mentioned thank you pat at the top of the show james and i have this podcast it's to try and and get engagement because people you know yeah it's it's cool and all that we have that we're race car drivers and you know we have this you know biggest-day sporting event in the world once a year. But there's no relatability to that. People can't understand what we're really doing. We can watch the NBA playoffs and realize how hard it is to do what those guys do. People can't go get in a race car and understand what it is.

So we have to connect with them in a different way. And the way to do that is we're real human beings with real lives and real shit that goes down. And we want to share it with you. And real lunatics too, man, strapping yourself to a 220 mile an hour rocket driving 500 miles an hour amongst 300,000 people that are drunk and probably won't remember most of it.

We'll remember any of it. No, not a single minute. Do you know, do you realize the fans? Do you even notice the fans? They do. So there's like we have a week of practice leading up to the 500.

And for the most part, the stands are empty. And you kind of get visually used to your reference points and things that you're using as kind of visual cues around the racetrack. that you're using as kind of visual cues around the racetrack. But the first time you go into turn one and the grandstands are full, it's almost like turn one becomes 50% narrower because there's no light coming in anymore. You can't really see through the grandstands, and it's kind of a head trip to a certain extent until you get used to it in the first three or four laps.

So, yeah, you 100% notice things. You just froze. I mean, that was a great answer, but your face just froze here. So we're just staring at a frozen Alexander. It doesn't look bad, though. Like when my face freezes on FaceTime, normally it's stuck in like a weird. You look like a model right now. That's good, man.

I do want to let you know, though, there was quite a cheer. You could hear it on the TV broadcast when you did take the lead. Hell yeah. Yeah. Well, that's cool, man. Thank you. I mean, I'm happy to hear that. Like, that's, again, such a departure from where we were four years ago in 16.

So it's a. Yeah, but sometimes you, especially in the IndyCar world, from what I'm learning, all the fans have been fans for 40, 50 years. So they got their favorites. So whenever a new guy comes in and shakes it up a little bit, they're not going to love it. You know what I mean? That's the other problem. We need more 20-year-old fans.

Oh, yeah. That'd be crazy. That'd be neat. We need like a 20- to 25-year-old fan base of females. Oh, now we're talking. A lot of dudes out there is what you're saying. A lot of dudes in racing. Rossi, we appreciate you so much, man.

Good luck in Detroit. I hope you saw some people down at that fucking gala thing tonight. I can't wait. It's going to be interesting. I'm excited to bring it up. Remember this. Remember this. You won the race from a PR standpoint, I'd say.

Yeah. I appreciate it. Thanks, guys. Has there ever been a fight with the Gulls? Oh, yeah. Graham Rahal got out of his car and screamed in a guy's face and then slapped the back of his helmet.

Oh, but at the awards ceremony? I mean, there might be this year. Uh-oh. We're releasing this tomorrow, so there's no tease. There's no good tease. Rossi, I appreciate you so much, man. Off track with Hinch and Rossi.

He's a very cool podcast Kind of get in the minds of these lunatics That do incredible things The Indy 500 is only one day a year But I know you guys are professionals The other 364 I can't thank you enough for joining us man Really really good shit in that race too

My pleasure thanks for having me on Appreciate it I can't believe you just fisted it though I don't know how you hold back your anger there And just keep that fist out the thing. Well, there was so much airflow, my finger actually couldn't come up. What if he lifts his finger and it dislocates?

It snapped off. Fuck. Black flag. Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen, runner-up of the 103rd running of the Indy 500, but champion of the 100th running of the Indy 500 from California by way of Europe, representing the Napa Know How Andretti team,

the young, studly, booed up, by the way. Congratulations on having sex. Alexander Rossi. Awesome. Hey, thanks, man. Good luck tonight. Yeah, no worries. Appreciate it.

You did. You absolutely cry. It was fun to watch. Normally, I watch at the track, right? This year, I didn't go. I watch from home. It's so much better on TV. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, that makes sense. I mean, racing is hard's not like it's not like a football game right like it's hard to understand really what's going on so tv does a much better job well and then whenever people are lapped and then they're in the middle of it it's like i think this guy is up front and they're like well the numbers are on the side of their car and it's like it's very difficult to see you know what i mean speaking of like you'll appreciate this so i was racing i was like in fourth at the time behind joseph and um they were like okay you've got bourdais behind and then daly's in six i was like what did you say that hey good for connor man hey how did you feel proud of him he did such a good job how'd you

feel when you so after the after the bad pit stop, he was one of the victims that you had to pass on your way back up. Did he let you go by easier than the other people? So I don't think he realized I was coming as quickly as I did. And then when he did, he kind of made a little move to try and stop me. But like I said, at that point, it was like that. See you, man. Hey, Connor, get your little fucking shark costume.

Just move. Hey, see you, dude. Thank you so much. point it was like see red hey car get your little fucking shark costume just move hey see you dude thank you so much see you later i don't think there's any chance for one hit wonders anymore let me tell you why low nas x right now he has so many fans that are so like personal with him that they love him that no matter what he puts out is going to be a heater we're in the era of being a fan of the person not the music no matter what low nas x puts out next i'm not saying puts out is going to be a heater. We're in the era of being a fan of the person, not the music. No matter what Lil Nas X puts out next, I'm not saying it's not going to be a heater.

I'm assuming it will be. Because if you get in a studio one time and you make that fucking old town road, I'm assuming you're going to be able to do it again. But I think the era of one-hit wonders will never happen again unless somebody quits making music after making one hit. Yeah, I actually really like this take. I think it's really spot on. Unless someone dies or just gives it up completely. i think you're correct yeah i never thought of it

because you're going to get so much fame you're going to get an army instantly with that first hit and he's on twitter they're not going to just disappear no he's very active on twitter too so he's got a loyal group of following hey there's no whatever he puts out next in their eyes is going to be a heater regardless yeah do you think it could face the issue, though, of that was the quintessential heater, so people are always comparing everything he does to that? I think maybe the people who are kind of in the bubble fans, potentially, would be like,

well, this is nowhere near Old Town Road. But his diehards in there, whatever he puts out next is going to be a banger. They'll support him no matter what. I mean, look at Foxy whenever Kanye released that next album that we have not listened to one single song all in nobody has listened to any of those songs though since

nobody has listened to one single song from that Kanye album that came out the seven songs nobody has listened to them but that first week everybody was oh you gotta listen to it numerous times that's what I was being told yeah it was you you loved it Nick I think also liked it I think there was numerous people that were like yikes was good on it you gotta listen to it that was the one song when was the last time all mine i liked that one no yikes in the

gym sometimes it's a bold face lie yes maybe not from you but yeah but that's what i'm saying connie has those fans just like drake has those fans everybody whenever and we by the way have those fans we put out some shitty episodes. People listen. I'm not weird. Not above it. But I'm just saying, we're in the world. This is not one of them.

But we're in this world now where it's like, it's a family. Just like I was telling Frank Caliendo and Clayton Anderson. It's like a family more so in friendship more so than just a fan

of the actual talent. That's why people go further for you. And I respect it and I love it but i do fear one of my dreams is to be a one-hit wonder i'm not sure it's possible no i don't think it's i don't think it can happen around today's culture hey by the way let's have a moment silent yes for one hit wonders i get knocked down. Wombo number five.

That's a good call. Oh, yeah. Lou Begum. He's the best. Chubba Wombo, right? Mm-hmm. Is that the most recent one here, Wunder? I'm sure there's... No.

No. I like the fucking Friday song. Wasn't me. That wasn't a real hit, though. I don't think I was getting radio play. I think Shaggy has a couple other hits. Yeah, Mr. Boombastic, bro. Yeah, Shaggy has a couple other hits. Don't you ever say that about Shaggy again.

Not on this fucking show. Shaggy just took a couple years off and then came back. Hey, by the way, you hear Zito talking all this time? You hear Zito talking on his microphone? Yeah. Cackled his tongue whenever Rossi was in. Wasn't he? Oh, as soon as Rossi ended, Zito had a thousand IndyCar questions. For the guys in the room who don't know the answers to them. I want everybody that's listening

to understand that Zito did a nine-hour stream the other night on Twitch. Nine hours he stayed here. Pushed out to me backslash the Pat Mavis show. Atta boy. Hey, good plug right there. Great plug. Talks for nine hours on there. He has an incredible brain.

It honestly makes zero sense how scrambled it is in there. But sometimes there's moments of greatness. As soon as Rossi got off the phone, I don't think it was less than 10 seconds after rossi got off the phone zito goes i wonder why 15 different questions 15 different questions about indycar and i was like literally we just had the guy on that won the indy 500 and was second yesterday he could ask these questions at any given time he goes i didn't know there was time. Remember when Zito basically solved the mystery of the Shane Morris fake story with the question he asked after the guy?

I would like to make a statement. Do we have a breaking news thing or whatever? I would like to make a statement about what happened on last week's episode following the J.J. Watt interview. After the Clayton Anderson-Run Wild song debut, something happened on this show that I do feel bad about. I've told numerous stories

about Manti Te'al being catfished. I've talked about professional athletes getting catfished all across the country due to modern technology of dating and fornicating. I've talked about it on more than one occasion.

I've talked about it. And I've said that I on more than one occasion I've talked about it. And I've said that I'm an eternal optimist. I walk into a casino, I want to leave said casino with every single chip in said casino. Yep. When I walk into a situation, I automatically

assume the greatest thing is going to happen. People tell you to expect little so that you're never disappointed. I live by the complete different motto. I expect the world. And if it doesn't come, am I disappointed? Nope. I just go on to the next thing. See you later. Let me go ahead and erase it. So when I read a thread, a Twitter thread, on this particular program that was 72 tweets long, took up two hours of time, and then we followed up with a Q&A with said guy afterwards,

was I skeptical of it being true? Of course you were. No. No. Diggs was. Very. I believe the rest of theiggs was. Very. I believe the rest of the room was. It may be in the back of my mind.

I was like, you know what? Possibly not true. But the fact that this guy went so far out of his way to lead everybody astray, and they say fiction is not as crazy sometimes as nonfiction. say that i've heard yeah i've heard real life can be crazier than fiction sometimes yeah also a quote oh yeah probably the most accurate one probably a real quote the first one i said probably not a real quote is now but i thought

potentially shane morris and i're going to have a great relationship. Whether the MS-13 people killed him or not, I thought, you know what, this guy, I want to give him a platform to answer some questions because there was a lot of people skeptical of said story. It ended up with 60-some thousand retweets, this Twitter thread. I was retweet number 98. thread i was retweet number 98 i almost felt like i had an obligation to get this guy's story out there because i could have hit the little sonic speed burst thing on that twitter thread to other people do i feel betrayed by shane morris no because i never really liked the guy no he didn't didn't really like the guy i loved his story yeah didn't really like the guy. I loved his story. Yeah. Didn't really like the guy. Right.

And we actually edited out him reading through the Twitter thread. Oh, man. About 50 minutes of it. Because I wanted him to look better, actually. And if you come on this show, I am very thankful. I am very grateful. So I want to treat you with as much respect and hospitality, just like old Greeny does with ESPN.

I wanted to give him a chance to kind of answer some questions that people had. Did Zito ask all those questions immediately after the guy hung up? Yes, but I do feel like Diggs hit him with a couple good ones. I do believe The Room asked him a couple good questions, and he lied.

Did I get caught? I got caught. But I'm going to get mine more than I get caught. There you go. Amen. So fuck Shane Morris, and fuck that Twitter thread, but I'm still following him on Twitter. We want to see what his track is.

I would like to see where this catastrophe ends. He said he's going into hiding. Sounds like a bunch of bullshit. Started to go fund me to raise money for himself. Bunch of bullshit. I want to let everybody know, though, I'm still walking in a casino thinking I'm taking every fucking shit. If another story like that pops up, I'm going for himself. Bunch of bullshit. I want to let everybody know, though, I'm still walking in a casino thinking I'm taking every fucking shit.

If another story like that pops up, I'm going for it. And you guys are going to just have to judge for yourself. But the official statement from PMI about the Shane Morris Twitter thread, about the MS13 thing, about coming on this thing is fuck them. Hashtag endgame, hashtag endgame. I would like

to be, just cheer me up after, hashtag end game. I would like to be, just cheer me up after the Shane Morris situation. I got caught. Yeah. I like to think I can filter through bullshit on a regular basis. It didn't happen.

I'm a little down. A little down on my luck. Actually, it looks pretty good right now. I got that fortune cookie this weekend that said I'm about to be unusually successful

in business. Oh yeah. And I sent it to Foxy. Lucky numbers were 1, 12, 22, and something else. And I just took a picture of it and I sent it to Foxy. And he goes, Pat, you eat that thing. Number one, your number. Number 12, my number.

And it says you're going to be successful in business. Don't throw our business away. Eat that thing. So I went ahead and put it right in my pocket. Let's go. I didn't eat it. You know what Shane Morris was? You had just waxed your car.

You went to the car wash. You waxed it. You had it looking good. You got on the road. A fucking bug hit your windshield, and it splattered. And you're like, goddammit, I just washed and waxed my car. And then you're like, oh, wait a minute. I have window washer fluid.

And then it was gone. See what just happened? That's what he was. Because Ty just edited out the whole thing from the podcast from before. Never happened. Never happened. Gone. Maybe we take out this whole part.

Didn't happen. Just act like it never happened. Good for us. Gone. Happy Memorial Day. Fuck him. Fuck him. Effie.

Well, for Shane Morris, it's FH. God damn it. I can't figure it out. I think you can. How about FZ? Fuck Zito. That's a show. Ty Schmidt, hit the music.

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