The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 085 - Adam Pacman Jones, Ryan Shazier, & A Religious Convo For The Ages

Episode Date: June 27, 2019

Today's show includes a couple of incredible interviews. First, former 6th overall pick in the 2005 NFL Draft, a first-team All-Pro and Pro Bowler, Adam Pacman Jones joins Pat live in Cincinnati. They... chat about the airport situation, his time in the NFL, how he's trying to set a good example for his kids, his past, what song he would want to play at his funeral, and what NFL player from his tenure he'd like to fight the most. (2:27-32:00). Next, 15th pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, 2x Pro Bowler, one of the most inspirational guys on this planet and Linebacker for the Pittsburgh Steelers, Ryan Shazier, joins Pat and the guys live in Pittsburgh. They chat about his road back to recovery, what the best parts about being a dad are, who he would want to play him in a movie about his life, and he gives his outlook on the Steelers 2019-2020 season (35:32-1:05:01). Later, the guys chat about the different vehicles in Pat's collection, and a conversation about the Amish leads to Pat calling one of his agents to ask a few questions in search of some answers about what it means to be  Modern Orthodox Jew. It is perhaps, one of the most enlightening religious conversations you'll ever hear, and answers a lot of questions you may have about the different practices of being Jewish. Today's show is a great one. Come and laugh with us, cheers.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:41 Say it. Here we are. I think so. Say it. Get a once-in-a-l a lifetime interview with the adam pac-man jones yes that pac-man jones that you were thinking of gives us an entire conversation about everything that you've ever heard about the guy i think you're gonna maybe potentially flip your stance on how you feel about adam pac-man jones after today 100 agree with that
Starting point is 00:01:01 todd's ex-cop he did after the conversation also an incredibly inspiring story another one back to back after the maurice claret interview today we have ryan shazier joining us in front of a live audience in pittsburgh pennsylvania then we wrap up the show with something we do on a very regular basis here we break down down the entire Orthodox Jewish religion with an Orthodox Jewish man. You're going to want to be, when I say this, I mean this, you're going to want to stick around for this. Think about 10 dummies
Starting point is 00:01:33 questioning an Orthodox Jewish man about his religion from beginning to the end. It gets hilarious. It gets informative. It's educational. And to be honest, Zito wasn't the dumbest person in the convo. Isn't that right? Yep, that's true. Thank you educational. And to be honest, Zito wasn't the dumbest person in the convo. Isn't that right? Yep, that's very true.
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Starting point is 00:03:57 Hey! Hey! Thank you, thank you. Hey! Thank you, thank you. Hey! Pac-Man! These people fucking love you here, Pat! Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 00:04:15 Thank you. Man, that was awesome. I got chills right there, man. I really did. I was reaching out. I did. I was reaching out. I was reaching out.
Starting point is 00:04:23 I was reaching out. I was reaching out. I was reaching out. I was reaching out. I was reaching out. I was reaching out. Thank you. Man, that was awesome. I got chills right there, man. I really did. I was reaching out. I did reach out to Chris Collinsworth first. Honestly. Only because I didn't expect Pac-Man to be in town.
Starting point is 00:04:41 I sent him a message. I'm like, is there any way you're in Cincinnati on Saturday? He's like, yeah, I stay here, man. This is my home. I was like, really? He's like, yeah. He's like, yeah, I love it here. I said, is there any way you could come? You said, absolutely. I'm so thankful you came. No problem. And I am so, so lucky. What happened in Cincinnati that really completely changed the Adam Jones path, basically. There's no way you thought you were going to be living in Cincinnati for your life. What happened here in Cincinnati that made you fall in love with the place? The people, you know. When I first got here, I'm sad to say, but we was a sorry team, I would say. We wasn't too good at the beginning, but
Starting point is 00:05:24 I was a part of a group that got to change the culture a little bit as far as winning and playing football here, and the people was very, very open-armed with me, so Cincinnati is home to me, man, and I'm happy to be here.
Starting point is 00:05:39 Great. You went on to become an all-pro. You're the most electrifying player that I ever saw in the field. You played offense. You played defense. You're a fucking asshole, a special teams returner. You, yeah, you were. You were, too, though, bro.
Starting point is 00:06:02 I'm about to say, yeah. I enjoyed our conversations before every single game. Not a lot of returners would talk to me. I would try to get over to them. I'd walk right over to them. I'm like, hey, man, just fucking take tonight off from returning. Just go ahead and call it quits. But you had this record, this incredible spree,
Starting point is 00:06:20 where you refused a fair catch a punt. It was like, I think, nine years straight or something. Yeah. Um, you know what? I didn't realize till I retired that what, what, what I was doing, but our only fair catch fair called nine balls in my whole career and eight balls was in my first year of the league. So after my first two years, I think I only fair called two or three balls. But I just believe in myself and believe in the guys that we had in front of me, but I like taking chances, so.
Starting point is 00:06:54 What was your, was returning kicks your favorite part of football or is it locking somebody down? Was it making a big hit? What was your favorite part of the game? I had a lot of favorite parts, but beating Pittsburgh probably
Starting point is 00:07:10 was my favorite part. I must say that. The guy right next to you is the biggest Steeler fan of all time. Yeah, I heard, I heard, I heard. I love you. I love you, though. You're officially retired. What is life now for Adam Jones?
Starting point is 00:07:37 Life is unbelievable, man. I'm getting a chance to see what being a regular dad is like, spending a lot of time with the kids. I have a couple of business adventures that I'm doing right now. I just opened a pizza place. Anybody who's trying to open a pizza place, don't do it. It ain't about the money. It's about the time.
Starting point is 00:08:03 I just tell you that right now what's it called what's the beats place called end zone pizza is right across the bridge in covington kentucky um you guys get a chance stop out here we're opening from 10 to 11 on the weekends we're actually closed tomorrow but um try it in two days yeah but uh if you don't miss it tonight, we'll see you guys Monday. You obviously had some. Jesus. Oh, that's next, buddy. We're going up to Middletown.
Starting point is 00:08:38 You obviously had some situations that have happened in your life, which almost makes your. No, it definitely makes your story so much better because you completely matured and became an adult and became a dad and an incredibly loving husband. I see it on your Instagram. You're golfing with white people all the time now. I mean, it's a whole new
Starting point is 00:08:58 ballgame. And I didn't want to mention any of the negative drama that gets brought up with you because I think it's overplayed and over-dramatized. But one of my favorite things that has ever happened, happened with you within the last year. And I would just like a little clarification. So you get off of an airplane at an airport. I did not tell him I was going to ask him about this.
Starting point is 00:09:21 And I have no idea if you have any pending legal charges or not. No, I don't. Okay. So, you get off the airplane, which we've all traveled. You get a little tired, a little tight. You're with your wife. You're just walking through the airport. And some guy, you got your fanny pack
Starting point is 00:09:37 on you, which I respect, by the way. You wear a fanny pack. You got everything on you. This guy comes up and just starts shit with you and it was less than 10 seconds you drop this fucking guy in the middle
Starting point is 00:09:52 in the middle of the airport I think it was at like 9am in the morning too like no time at all and I watched it and I was like okay pack and then I thought to myself like in head, you really had to be like, man, I don't want to deal with this type of bullshit anymore. I literally thought I was being pranked, bro.
Starting point is 00:10:14 I was looking like, all right, now, I know I ain't the toughest guy, but at least people should know that I'm I can fight pretty good by now so I'm like uh there's a camera coming out I had just bought some Popeyes too I'm like man this this gotta be a joke right here and he said something he's like I'm about to whoop your ass I look back at him I said you about to whoop my ass I said ain't going to do that. And before I can say, you ain't going to do that, he hit me. I said, oh, my God. But out of that situation, man, he got what he asked for. Yeah. Only thing I was mad about was my Popeye's. You dropped your Popeye's, though.
Starting point is 00:10:58 Dropped my Popeye's. Well, it wasn't even mine. It was for my daughter, so that made it even worse. Hey, ball security, job security, Pac. Don't drop that fucking chicken. I loved it though, man. And obviously there's going to be people that try to spin that into a negative. And I honestly saw it as such a positive for you from coming for, because your family was with you. You've been trying to do right. You have been doing right. And then some motherfucker just deserved it. He's got to get what he's got to get. How do you think maturing, what is it your kids
Starting point is 00:11:31 that have made you become like, I don't want to say a better human, but like it's putting yourself in better decisions and shit like? Of course, I would say it's got a lot to do with my kids. My kids are old enough to read and write. They make great A's now. And I try to explain to them, like, because mentally I don't think they can comprehend like how I grew up. Like, where I grew up was a terror zone. Like, it was like a war zone. So
Starting point is 00:11:55 mentally, I had to be able to fight. Like, I had to have a short temper. I wouldn't be who I am today, you know. And when you get older, you got to learn how to put a cap on it. And then when you first get in the league, they give you $18 million. Oh, you just got to stop fighting. Like, how in the hell are you going to tell me, okay, here go your money. You done everything right, but you can't fight.
Starting point is 00:12:17 And I had to learn how to channel my energy in certain things. But I've lived, I've learned, I've made a lot of mistakes. But I'm very content. I learned, I've made a lot of mistakes, but I'm very content. I know who I am as a man. I'm not trying to put on a persona for anybody else. I really care two fucks about what anybody else think about me because I know who I am as a person. That's awesome.
Starting point is 00:12:41 The boys got some questions for you, if that's okay. Yeah. I can't thank you enough. Go ahead, Todd. Hey, by the way, just want to let you know, 21 years in the state police. Oh, yeah. I was just down there smoking that joint.
Starting point is 00:13:01 I'm retired, brother. Oh, good. Yeah, he's smoking more than you are. I doubt that. I'm a big fan of what I smell down there. So I don't know about you, man, but I always think about one day I'm going to have a funeral. What are people going to do with that funeral? How are they going to look back at my time on this planet?
Starting point is 00:13:24 One thing I focus on is, man, when they play that highlight reel or whatever, do at that funeral? How are they going to look back at my time on this planet? One thing I focus on is, man, when they play that highlight reel or whatever, your highlight reel is going to be a little more cool than mine, but running through my life, what song are you going to pick? What song will play as the soundtrack to the life and times
Starting point is 00:13:40 of Adam Pac-Man Jones? First of all, who in the hell would think about dying right now? People like me. Hey, he's old, man. That's a hard question. How close to the coffin? If I had any song,
Starting point is 00:13:54 probably Phil Collins. I can feel it coming through tonight. I didn't hear what you said. I'm sure it's... Phil Collins. I can feel it coming in here tonight.
Starting point is 00:14:08 Oh, Lord. Nice. I don't know the rest. Nobody knows. Okay, good. So none of us know the rest of those words. That's good. I'm happy about that.
Starting point is 00:14:19 This guy, diehard Steelers fan. Fun fact, the last time the Steelers won a Super Bowl, they came out to that song. He's the worst Pac-Man. Hey, you do not have to put a cap on it. You can fight him right fucking now. I have watched a lot
Starting point is 00:14:37 and a lot of film on you, and I have asked a lot of people about this, because I think you're the first and probably the best to ever do it. Easy. Take it easy. Are you the first and the best to make it rain on stage? Oh, by far. Yes. Where I grew up was a trend in Atlanta. I grew up in an inner-city environment. I had heroes like Big Meech. I grew up watching all the dope boys have all the money. And I always told myself when I get a little bit of change,
Starting point is 00:15:15 I'm going to put something to the side to make it rain. And so I put a little something to the side, and I don't think it hurt me to the day. I don't think I need them right now. But when you grow up in that type of environment, put a little something to the side and I don't think it hurt me to the day. I don't think I need them right now, but you know, but when you grow up in that type of environment, it's all right to go back and show color, show faith, and just show that your authentic is still there.
Starting point is 00:15:36 You know, a lot of people ask me, why are you always going back to the hood trying to help people? Because I don't know nothing else because I wish I had somebody to do that for me. I'm just one of the kids that stuck to it and made do it. But it's a lot of kids that just need a person like me to say, hey, man, you can do this. So that's the reason why I intercourse in those type activities. As somebody who got a chance to be in a locker room for a long time and watch people come from different parts of the country with that aren't great. I think the ability to show people from your neighborhoods
Starting point is 00:16:10 that there's different ways to make it out and showcase that you don't have to always take the drug route to get a lot of money. There's athletics and stuff like that. I think you can really change an entire community by doing things like that. I'm not saying make it rain makes people's communities better, but I think showcasing that there's a different way to have success is an incredible thing. I think it's really smart. I think the people of Atlanta would thank you, too.
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Starting point is 00:20:06 Shut up, Tony I want to know something that Adam Jones is good at not sports related that these people will be like Whoa, really? Something you're great at that people will be shocked at Great
Starting point is 00:20:21 I'm a really good drawer. I can draw pretty good. You're an artist. What's that? You're an artist. Yeah, I can draw pretty good. How do you know? Oh, I got a comic book coming out. I just wrote a comic book.
Starting point is 00:20:33 You have a comic book? Okay, nice. Yep. What's it called? It's called Action Pack. You almost made me miss it. Right here, right here. I want to go have a copy of it in the car. I do. You want to me miss it. Right here. Right here. I want to have a copy of it in the car.
Starting point is 00:20:46 I do. You want to go get it right quick? Who's this 12-year-old you got over here? That's my little pro, DJ. Come out here right quick. This kid right here. Y'all give him a hand clap right quick. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:20:59 So this is my little brother. His name is TJ. He plays for Ohio State. He started as a freshman this year. He played baseball. He's totally a pitcher. His fastest clock this year was 92-95. So hopefully one day he'll be in the big leagues
Starting point is 00:21:17 and I can go and see him play. I respect that. What does he do? He does a lot of video for you and stuff like that? No. No? Just hangs out? No. Oh, that's No. No? Just hangs out? No.
Starting point is 00:21:25 Oh, that's awesome. Look at you. Look at you just adopting little white kids around here. That's awesome, man. TJ, we appreciate you coming out, brother. Thank you for having me. What's it like hanging out with him on a daily basis? It's great.
Starting point is 00:21:44 Yikes. We don't do that. We don't do that. He's a great big brother and a great mentor. He makes sure I keep my head on my shoulders. I go to Lyft every day. I'm working out and making sure I'm doing good in school. He's a great big brother and I couldn't ask for anybody better.
Starting point is 00:21:58 That's awesome. That's really cool shit. TJ don't smoke weed either. They're bad people. The motto is you don't start smoking until you get rich. I don't know about y'all, but where I'm from, I've never smoked weed until I got a million dollar check. The reason why I didn't smoke weed while I was growing up, because everybody else was doing it.
Starting point is 00:22:21 And so that is our motto. And everybody around me and the people that I associate myself with, yeah, it's cool to smoke weed if you want to be cool, but I got a doctor's script to smoke weed. I'm in pain. I don't know about y'all. Y'all heard about the medical on the law in Ohio? Yeah, this guy definitely does. Anybody got their medical on a card?
Starting point is 00:22:39 Put your hand up. You got to get your cards. I respect that. This guy over here in the incredible sport coat has a question for you. Mr. Pacman, I heard a story that you spent a lot of money one weekend. How did you spend all that money?
Starting point is 00:22:57 I think it was a million dollars. Are you talking about the Miami weekend? Yes. The story I told at the Riggis Symposium? Yes. It was a great weekend. So just, I really don't like, it was a private conversation. I don't like to talk about it in public because people think you're like boosting their bragging.
Starting point is 00:23:19 No, no, no. It's not a boosting their bragging. We're all friends here. This is a private conversation. It's private. You saw the way they. No, we're all friends here. This is a private conversation. It's private. You saw the way they reacted to you when you walked out here. This is your family right here, man. So I got drafted.
Starting point is 00:23:34 I had a great chance and a great opportunity to be the first defensive player picked in my draft, which was the sixth pick overall. Being a little black kid from the projects, they gave me $18.9 million. to be the first defensive player picked in my draft, which was the sixth pick overall. Being a little black kid from the projects, they gave me $18.9 million. And I had already told all my boys that stayed in the process, look, if I ever get some money, bro,
Starting point is 00:23:58 we're going to take one big trip. That's the trip I owe y'all. So time I got drafted, I'm like, hey man, what's up with that trip? I'm like, man, I ain't even got no money yet. So, you know, I don't know if y'all know, but like they don't give you money until like 10 days after you sign. Yeah, the signing bonus is not an immediate thing. Right.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Tell them, Pat. Yeah, I almost got my car repoed. I bought an Escalade. I bought an Escalade the day I was drafted. I was like, I got you. It's coming tomorrow. And I got a call from the Colts. They're like, that thing ain't coming for two to three months.
Starting point is 00:24:30 I was like, what? And the bank showed up in my fucking house. They're like, we've been Googling this contract. We have not seen a single dollar, sir. We are going to take this Escalade right out of your front fucking yard. I'm like, it's coming. Call Bill Polly. And that's the motherfucker that lied to me too.
Starting point is 00:24:45 I thought I was getting this money immediately as well. Yeah, and so I got calls for the first probably 20 days and the money finally had hit my account. I was nervous when it first hit. I'm like, oh my God. I don't think I went nowhere the first
Starting point is 00:25:01 two days. Somebody might be trying to kill me right now. So I waited until we had a break, and I took 75 people from my project. I paid for all flights, all hotels. We was in Miami for an entire week. That's a lot. I ain't going to tell you how much it cost me, but it was over a couple hundred thousand dollars.
Starting point is 00:25:27 I will say that. 75 people in Miami for a week? Yeah, 75. I took my entire family, and everybody who stayed on my side of the project. It was probably like 15 families, I would say. Nobody talks about that, man. Nobody ever talks about that.
Starting point is 00:25:46 You took an entire fucking city to Miami. That's incredible. Hey, Pac, that's awesome. I would argue that being an incredibly loyal person potentially backfired for you a little bit, but at the end of the day, when you lay your head down at night, you can sleep well, I'd assume. That's probably accurate. Oh, yeah. My story is an
Starting point is 00:26:09 unbelievable story, and I don't take nothing for granted. I know sometimes people can just see the outside and not see the inside, but I'm a very passionate person about what I do, who I love, the people I carry myself with, and life is good, man. I wouldn't change nothing because all the trials and tribulations, they make you stronger. And it's a story, you know, like I was telling my daughter the other day, we was going through all my arrests. I mean, every last one of them. You know, Google is a motherfucker right now. I'm so happy they didn't have fucking Google when I was in high school. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:26:46 I would probably be up under the jail for sure. Like, oh, my God, man. So we go and we talk and we visit things on Friday mornings when we had daddy talks. My kids always say that they want a person just like me, you know. And I can understand because my heart and my love and all of that. But I have to show them the temper side too. But if they had to choose a person, I would want them to choose someone like me because the love and caring that I have.
Starting point is 00:27:21 Of course, I got a flat temper, but that's what made me who I am today, you know. It's time to turn it on and turn it off, so it's good. Everything happens for a reason. You're a human, bro. Guy over there in the goatee has a question for you. Pac, we alluded to it earlier. You're one of the last guys I think anyone would want to see
Starting point is 00:27:40 in a fight. Just curious, is there one guy from your time in the NFL who you just relished? Joey fucking Porter. I would love to see in a fight. Just curious, is there one guy from your time in the NFL who you just relish? Joey fucking Porter. I would love to see this motherfucker. I just don't think he's tough as he say he is. Me personally, like if I could, if I could pay to get, if me and him could fight boxing or whatever in a ring with probably 200,000 people, that would make my day. He beat up a bouncer in Pittsburgh. No, I'm just playing.
Starting point is 00:28:14 But probably Joey Porter. That got real serious real quick there. That was a real feeling right there. Did you see that? I felt a real feeling. Hey, did you right there i felt a real feeling hey did you see yeah he's gonna fight you too i fucking pissed myself nick we're all over there also a pittsburgh guy adam you're one of the best to ever do it you're an aficionado a connoisseur i gotta ask what's the best strip club that you've ever been to in the country well it depends i've been
Starting point is 00:28:49 to a lot but it depends on what type of strip club you're talking about are you talking about like a cabaret strip club or are you talking like magic city strip club i mean a white guy strip club yeah i'm white club 11 is the best script club for a white guy to go. Club 11 in Miami. Have you ever been to Club 11 in Miami? No, I've seen pictures on Instagram. Oh, you got to go. Looks delightful. Huh? Looks delightful on Instagram. Oh, you say, did you ask me what it's like or did you ask me Atlanta? Just the best one. In your opinion, what do you got? Best one.
Starting point is 00:29:24 If I had to pick it, like if I said, all right,? Just the best one. In your opinion, what do you got? Best one. If I had to pick, if I said, all right, I'm going to one script club, and this is the last one ever, it would probably be Magic City. There it is. I've been in Magic City, by the way. I know you have. How did you like it, Pat? I had a great time in there. I was the only Caucasian in that thing, and boy, we were having a fucking blast.
Starting point is 00:29:52 Mr. Jones, can I ask, because there for a while, I don't know if it was you or NFL PR or the Bengals PR. It definitely wasn't me. I know what you're about to ask me already. Pac-Man? Yes, Pac-Man. Not Adam. It's cool. So I was kind of scared to call you Pac-Man
Starting point is 00:30:10 whenever you were introduced here. Pat, you've never called me Adam. We've played against each other a hundred times. I know, but this is recorded. There's people. I didn't want to... Honestly, every time I've gone up to you, I've said Pac, Pac, Pac.
Starting point is 00:30:22 But there, for a time, there was like a real spin. They were like, his name is Adam Jones. It's not Pac-Man Jones anymore. But then I look on your social media, it's like, this is Adam Pac-Man Jones. What happened? How did you get the name Pac-Man? There's a lot
Starting point is 00:30:38 of different stories out there. And whenever they decided to tell you that you weren't going to be allowed to call Pac-Man anymore, how did that all go about? My mom gave me the name Pac-Man because I used to go to the bottom when I was hungry. I used to go. So that's how I became Pac-Man. So my mom originally gave me that name when I was like four or five months. My mom never called me Adam. I don't think for probably twice in my whole life. It's always been Pac-Man. So literally since you're right out of birth, Pac-Man is your name.
Starting point is 00:31:08 Right, like I was one of them kids like, damn, what's your name again in the first game? Adam? Oh, Adam, put Adam on there. Adam, A-D-A-M. What's your name? Pac-Man. Normally sign everything, but yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:22 Nobody really never, ever called me Adam until that one stint we had here. And I was trying to get the little negative thing off me, you know, so. But everybody that know me or have been a part of something or a teammate, they've always called me Pac. Well, ladies and gentlemen, I think I can say
Starting point is 00:31:44 we are so lucky you joined us. Cincinnati obviously loves you. Ladies and gentlemen, Pac-Man motherfucking Jones! Thank you, thank you. Hey, how about fucking Pac-Man Jones right there? What a guy. Hey, how about fucking Pac-Man Jones right there? What a guy. I'm going to go eat that pizza, and you should too, for sure. Wasn't that amazing that Pac-Man was able to talk about all that stuff?
Starting point is 00:32:40 Honestly, you never hear Pac-Man do interviews. Nice to hear him open up. It was, actually. And I'm very thankful he stopped by. There was a lot of question marks on whether or not he was going to come literally all he said to me was i got you that's all he said and i'll tell you what pac-man man of his word if he says something i'm going to assume he's going to mean it because that's what he's done with me i hope you go check out his pizza company down there in covington kentucky i'm a big fan of pac-man i'm very thankful and i think people might have seen another side of him there that you don't always get to see.
Starting point is 00:33:06 Yeah, I mean, I completely changed my opinion on Pac-Man. He was less than an inch away from Diggs' face on numerous occasions. That also changed my opinion. Thought Diggs was going to lose his jaw. Shout out to Pac-Man. Follow him on all social medias. He's very entertaining on there. He golfs a lot, hangs out with his kids a lot.
Starting point is 00:33:23 I think that's a guy who's a true depiction of trying to turn his life around. Honestly, trying his best to turn his life around. And I think he's done that. Shout out to Cincinnati for taking care of him too. That was quite a pop
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Starting point is 00:36:18 an inspiration to all from Ohio State University. Make some noise for Ryan Shaysier! I'm so scared I'm so scared I'm so scared I'm so scared Let's go! I'm so scared Here we go, baby, here we go! I'm so scared
Starting point is 00:37:02 I'm so scared I'm so scared I'm so scared I'm so scared Here we go, baby. Here we go. Here we go. Hey, I think somebody actually had a terrible towel out there. That is a hysterical thought. Ryan, I want to say this for a real moment here. You walking out onto the stage right there with this place losing its mind like that
Starting point is 00:37:39 is one of the most inspirational things I've ever seen in my entire fucking life, and I can't thank you enough for that. Hey, Pat, I really appreciate that, man. What I was really thinking was like, I know Pat knows this song because we play this in the third quarter because normally we beating the shit out of the Colts. Ladies and gentlemen, it's been great having you. Ryan, everybody knows your story.
Starting point is 00:38:21 Everybody knows about the incredibly unfortunate happening against the Cincinnati Bengals on Monday Night Football. Everybody has heard that people told you you would never walk again. You'll never play again. Here you are walking onto a stage with very heavy fucking chains around your neck.
Starting point is 00:38:39 How has the recovery process been going? Where is Ryan Shazier's body at right now? And what are we looking forward to next? I'm doing amazing, man. I literally can't complain. The same doctors that said I wouldn't ever walk again, they just give me the same amount of hope in saying,
Starting point is 00:38:56 if you continue with the same progress, you might be able to play again. So I'm just working hard and I'm just I'm just working working my ass off man and I'm just thanking god every single day. You know, I'm a newly newlywed husband and I have another kid. So you're wiped up You have a child? Children? Yeah, I have two kids now, two boys Earlier today We were trying to get you
Starting point is 00:39:34 Because when we scheduled this show here I've never been here before, no clue I had no idea that there's no parking lot I had no idea Yeah, but Pat, the heat's working good here in this joint what's that it's working great in this place this place is 121 years old zero updates it's beautiful though but i was trying to get a hold of you because we wanted to set it up so you could get in and out because i'm so thankful you're here and i texted you a couple of times
Starting point is 00:40:04 you didn't answer i'm like boys i i think she's here is fucking ghosting us right now i don't know if he's coming and then you called me back and you were like hey man i just got out of the movie with my kids uh trying to be a dad of the year why don't you get off my dick a little bit what movie did you see and how challenging has it been to be a father? Because now you're a full on role model to somebody that you created. So we went to go see Toy Story 4. Awesome. Awesome.
Starting point is 00:40:32 I think everybody should definitely go see it. It's a great movie. It almost makes you want to cry, but it's a fucking kids movie. So Disney did their part with that one. Damn, it's hot. It's very hot. Nah, but being a dad, I already had one son, but now I have two, so we're kind of evenly numbered.
Starting point is 00:40:54 But it feels great, man. To me, it's just the greatest job in the world, just to be able to see my kids grow up. And kids are the funniest people in the world. Like this week, my son, he goes back and forth from here in Columbus. And this week, my son hasn't been to school in a few weeks because we've been traveling. So this week, my son, he gets in trouble three times.
Starting point is 00:41:19 He's only been to school three days. So the first day, he slaps two kids in the face and then the day he gets written up for sword fighting but poking other kids too hard so i'm like with a pencil so i'm like man the first day i'm like all right i gotta be a dad and i'm like man whatever you want you can't get then today michelle was like man ryan got in trouble again i'm like damn what he did now and then she was like yeah he was sword fighting with a pencil. And then the other kid, he just poked him a little too hard. I'm like, well, did the other kid get fucking written up too?
Starting point is 00:41:54 Did the loser get in trouble here? I'm like, and then she was like, yeah. But it was the first day, I was like, RJ, why did you slap the kid? And he was like, man, he was doing something I didn't like. It was during lunch. So imagine all of us eating lunch, and he was like, man, he was doing something I didn't like. And I just walked over there and slapped him in the face. Like, man, I'm not teaching you this, so where are you learning this?
Starting point is 00:42:18 But being a dad is amazing. It's hard not to laugh at that situation. I'm walking in the house. I'm like, RJ, you can't fucking do that. Kids are amazing. I got one more for you. For the boys, they're so excited you're here, just like everybody else. Whenever I told the group, I was like, hey, I think Ryan Shazier is going to come to the show in Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 00:42:41 You heard screeching stops. You heard pencils drop. drop digs I think through his computer he was like where's he gonna be sitting he's gonna be sitting next to me or well we've already golfed together once yeah you didn't do that good speaking of the Steelers um young team now all of a sudden, right? I mean, Dr. Ben Roethlisberger VII, as Diggs called him, is the elder statesman, obviously, but there's a whole new nucleus coming to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Starting point is 00:43:19 You're still heavily involved in the team. What is it like now that you are a full-on mentor to a young group while also having to go to rehab and get your ass kicked every day to potentially one day get back on the field so honestly it just gave me a different perspective of things you know i already was learning a lot and i always had a good relationship with coach tomlin but uh it just gave me a different perspective looking at things as a coach but also with the younger guys you just see who's really mentally prepared and who's ready to grow so a lot of the guys come and ask questions and it's cool just to be around the guys because when you're going through something tough it's
Starting point is 00:43:56 always good to be around people that you care about people that you know and it helps you get better instead of soaking by yourself so it's a combination of doing both of those things that really helped me grow and helped me get better every day. So those guys asking questions and then also just frustrating you helps you constantly get better. Wow, that's awesome, dude. What a leader, man. What a leader.
Starting point is 00:44:25 Because I had knee surgeries, and I was always going through rehab. I was always like, oh, this is so hard, man. My fucking legs hurt. And I got to do a one-legged squat for 10 minutes to potentially kick a ball again. You're battling against a diagnosis that is supposed to keep you down for the rest of your life. The rehab has to be so difficult. And to stay this positive, in this good of a leader, and now granted, you're a good dad,
Starting point is 00:45:03 not sure how much your kid's really learning because he's just beating the but you're like a superhuman man i hope you do realize that you're a superhuman of a guy there's not a lot of people like you and i can say obviously there are so many people pulling for you to get back in this thing and kick ass um so yeah you're this guy's hero thank you you're so thankful man I'm so so thankful you came through the boys have questions they're so excited for you alright buddy so not only were you one of the
Starting point is 00:45:35 greatest players to play the game and you're still that way you're one of the most the greatest inspirational stories I've ever seen and after having met you, I have no doubt you're going to return to the NFL and be a dominant force again. And the only way to pay tribute to what you're going to accomplish in your life
Starting point is 00:45:57 for future generations is to make a fucking movie about this. Who plays you in that movie? Good question. That's a tough one uh you know normally i would go like for bald head actors but it's not a lot of them and what is that by the way so i have alopecia so i actually had it since i was five years old so i think like little stuff like that actually helped me get through adversity i've been through a lot of adversity in my life and
Starting point is 00:46:23 i'm actually thinking about like writing a book and having a doc. You should. In those things, I plan on telling my story. I definitely would love to have somebody like Will Smith or something like... Fuck you!
Starting point is 00:46:44 Hey, Ryan, you can walk your ass right off this stage right now. I hate Will Smith. I got excited. You hate Will Smith? He hates him. He hates him. But, or like Denzel, or any.
Starting point is 00:46:58 But the thing is, I have to find somebody that's kind of like my skin tone. So, yeah, like. The Rock. Oh. But my skin tone. The Rock. But the thing is, The Rock is fucking huge. You know? I was considered a small linebacker. He's like
Starting point is 00:47:13 fucking a D-lineman. No, but The Rock or even somebody that's younger, Michael B. Jordan, he's a great actor. Nice. I don't know if I have the budget for those guys, but honestly. Sell a chain, bro. This chain ain't that much.
Starting point is 00:47:36 No, but honestly, I would like somebody that would be able to represent the story and just do a good job of it because like a lot of us in here, we've been through a lot. We've been through struggles. We've been through adversity. It's just everybody's seen the struggle that I went through, you know. So I would just like somebody to be able to display the same thing, you know. That's awesome. That's awesome, man.
Starting point is 00:48:02 That's awesome. So Pat called you a superhuman and then compared you to the rock. But like sitting next to you, like our physiques are not that different. So my question to you is, do you also eat chicken wings in bed at night? And then in the morning you go to the gym, but you just sign in and then sit in the car for like 20 to 30 minutes just in case your girlfriend checks.
Starting point is 00:48:32 I'm not going to lie. So luckily, I didn't have to sign into a gym because I play for the Steelers. I plan on still playing for the Steelers. Congratulations. But I do have some subscriptions that I have that I don't really watch or use as much as I used to. So it could be the same thing. All right. Are you a Netflix guy?
Starting point is 00:48:50 You have a big Netflix? What do you do? Netflix, you know, Hulu. There's a few other subscriptions I don't know if I want to talk about. Oh. Oh. Just like you, Diggs. Nice.
Starting point is 00:49:02 That's my guy. Yeah. Since I've been married,. That's my guy. Yeah. Since I've been married, I haven't been using this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're talking about Fuego Box. Yeah. No, but I still eat chicken wings and burgers and stuff. But I used to be, and I'm going to get back on.
Starting point is 00:49:20 I was on a keto diet before I got married. Cheeto! Not Cheeto, Keto. Hey, man. Shay's here. This guy chugged a double whiskey craner. They were watching it all, kind of. This is on you.
Starting point is 00:49:42 This is on you. And that fucking guy no but uh yeah i was on a keto guy before we got married and then it just we've been traveling non-stop so it's kind of hard to stay on a diet so but i'm gonna try to get back on it because uh a daughter was telling me that the healthier you eat the less inflammatory uh properties you have your body the better you heal so i'm trying to eat a little better. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, Diggs. Yeah, I agree. We're on the same page here.
Starting point is 00:50:12 Gorms. Well, having grown up 10 minutes outside of Ann Arbor, Michigan. Hey, bury him. Can I borrow your phone for a second? I'm going to let him continue to talk and I'm going to find what I want to find.
Starting point is 00:50:34 Yeah, yeah, I got you, dude. You're all blocked, by the way. I don't give a shit. Just find me outside. Tell me what your Twitter handle is. You're gone. You shut it down. So my question, if I i may while you guys do your deal i i'm literally not even paying attention for those that are listening right now that via the podcast i can't see
Starting point is 00:50:56 as soon as gorman mentioned ann arbor michigan i told him. He took my phone from me. He is now Googling something, and it appears to be an article. All right, Shazier. Just keep going. All right, Shazier. That's all I need to see. Would you do me a favor? Do you follow me tonight so I can block you? Please.
Starting point is 00:51:19 I'm going to let you answer your question, and I know you like Michigan, but the last time you guys beat us was 2,765 days. Yikes. So you can come up with any question you want. I just grew up 10 minutes outside the city. I don't coach the team. Which reminds me, I have wanted to ask you a question,
Starting point is 00:51:39 but I'm going to do it a little bit differently. All right. All right? So just imagine yourself maybe on a set like this on nfl today and there's a guest announcer that's next to you he's going to ask you a little few questions you ready yeah what's up hey i'm good at answering and i'm good at deflecting so it's either way hey i'm gonna tell you something right now hey there's a good football player right here i've got listen i hey there's... Hey, I'm going to tell you
Starting point is 00:52:06 something. Hey, there's a good football player right here, this guy. I forget what I was going to ask you. I'm working over at the Walmart now doing the carts. I'm a cart boy now, after all. I take the shopping cart shit. I don't know much of the game, but I just need to know one answer because
Starting point is 00:52:21 one of my favorite players is a teammate of yours. How is it sharing the locker room with Terry Bradshaw? What's that? He's not, he's still playing. I saw you, the thing that the kids have, the U. There's a video up there, Sean. I thought I saw Bradshaw's own passion. Hey, that's a good football player today no big got a bit of a gun on him but he can still play anyway i enjoy watching this kid i don't know what the hell i'm saying up here but i'll tell you what ryan says here's a great football player and i'm just happy to be here thanks coach by the way where am i again Am I again?
Starting point is 00:53:01 I am. I saw this. He is almost Lou Holtz's age. I am not 100% sure whether or not that was fake or not. It was a little mean spirited, by the way. Just a little. Just a little. Mr. Shazier, do you also have a Yinzir accent?
Starting point is 00:53:26 If so, can you go ahead and give us a little bit? A Yinzer accent? Oh, yeah. Bring it on. I'm not going to lie. I don't have a Yinzer accent. Come on. You did say down there you are a full Yinzer. I'm a full-time Yinzer, though, because I'm from Fort Lauderdale,
Starting point is 00:53:38 and I live in Columbus, but I only go to both of those places combined like ten times a year, like together. So I might be in like 10 times a year like together so i might be in florida five five days five times a year and columbia is like three to four times and like i'm going to florida tomorrow and i literally come back monday so i don't really be there much i'll be here you're a full-time yinzer basically you moved here full-time yeah good for you, man. That's awesome. Because I sent you a DM. I was like, what are the chances you're in Pittsburgh? Because we're doing these shows in football cities literally the week after OTAs have ended.
Starting point is 00:54:19 So it's like everybody just gets the fuck out of town. So I sent him a DM. I'm like, what are the chances you're in Pittsburgh? He's like, oh, I stay here, man. here man i was like oh that's incredible all right is there any way i can get you yeah man i got you i was like you you were way too cool of a human i want to let you know that i would have been much more difficult to get here i would ask for money probably but you did not so i respect it man yeah no no problem at all. It was very close, though, because I was supposed to go to Florida today. So I was like, hey, let me push my standby flight. For this?
Starting point is 00:54:52 Yeah. So I hope I'll make my flight tomorrow because it's standby, so I hope people don't buy no more fucking tickets. We'll send out the bird call. Behind the glass over there, they're editing the show. The tall guy in the blue there, the exterminator, by the way, if you need a handjob from your wife.
Starting point is 00:55:21 You ever have a homestead handski? I didn't think so serious question you have been in attendance in the crowd at a lot of pittsburgh penguins games they show you there all the time it's awesome moment uh were you always a hockey guy was that something that happened to you when you came to pittsburgh what made you love the sport so i'll be honest when i lived in florida the panthers were terrible. So like, we would go to a game. We would go to a game, and I was like 12.
Starting point is 00:55:50 And it was like, first of all, we're at the top. And I'm like, why are we sitting at the top? There's nobody here. We can just go to the fucking top. I feel like we can just walk. So then I would be like this at the game. And honestly, we just started really enjoying Penguins games. That's like a date night for me and my wife.
Starting point is 00:56:09 And we really started enjoying it. And then when I got hurt, like I was saying before, I like to continue to do things that I did before that helped me stay healthy. I don't know if that helped me stay healthy, but mentally it helped me out a lot. And Penguins games was one of the things that really helped me like get through it you know and i was just i just loved being there and then fortunately i got to know some people that allowed me to sit in different places and and i was just truly thankful just to be able to be there and i just started loving hockey man can you can you tell
Starting point is 00:56:40 the penguins not to fucking lose? I'm in Indiana. I don't get to relay the message. You know, it's just like with football. It's like I don't want a hockey player coming to tell me, hey, don't fucking lose. Well, that's why I can't say anything. I think they get it, but it's just at the end of the day, I love being there. I talked to the anything. I think they get it, but it's just at the end of the day, I love being there.
Starting point is 00:57:05 I talked to the team before about adversity, and they actually did pretty good and made a run. That was with the first year. Did they win the game that you went in there and talked? Yeah, because they went on a drought. They actually came back and went on a little streak. You're welcome, Nick. Did you hear that?
Starting point is 00:57:23 Hey, thank you, sir. But the team, I think they're going to do great this year. I think the Steelers are going to do great this year. The Penguins are doing good. You see Josh Bell might win the MVP. I hope he wins it. I don't know who that is. The Pirates.
Starting point is 00:57:37 Fuck the Pirates, man. Honestly, I'm not going to lie. Everybody in here is going to hate me because I have a good friend that plays for a team in New York. They win, though. That's okay. I grew up in this town. I grew up here.
Starting point is 00:57:54 Right in the middle of 25 straight years of losing with that fucking baseball team. I can't do it. They got a great ballpark. It's nice to get drunk out there in the gold lot. I took a fishing net into the crowd i caught a home run from the other team i kept it and i walked out i hate the pirates i hate it it was crazy because uh growing up i was always a fan of everybody that was a fan of like the teams that weren't really close to us. So like I was a Florida State fan, Miami was right there, you know, and then the Heat,
Starting point is 00:58:35 I liked them because of Dwyane Wade, but I was always like fan of players. I never liked the Pacific team, you know, and even like with the Dolphins, like I was like, man, Dolphins. So like even when I was getting drafted we're going to clip that by the way for sure the Dolphins I'm just saying but that's just growing up I was like the Dolphins are my home team
Starting point is 00:58:55 but it's just like they're the Dolphins and I don't want to get drafted to somewhere I'm at you know what I mean where I'm from you know so but so I end up meeting my wife and then she's from San Antonio so I Where I'm from. So I end up meeting my wife and then she's from San Antonio so I end up liking the Spurs. I end up meeting Chapman from the Yankees so I end up liking
Starting point is 00:59:11 the Yankees. I end up liking the Yankees. It's a smooth operation over here, man. I feel where you're coming from. You're a cool dude, Chazier. You're probably not supposed to be this cool.
Starting point is 00:59:35 I'm going to let you know. Like, you're the fastest guy that basically gets a combine, but you're a linebacker. You're an all-pro from a school that's known to be a pretty arrogant school, Ohio State. And you're just. You're an all-pro from a school that's known to be a pretty arrogant school, Ohio State. And you're just – My fault. My fault.
Starting point is 00:59:48 I had to cut you off. Now we're talking. You hear that? No bucks. I had to cut him off. You guys – hey, Urban Meyer left town? Yeah. What if you guys just lose every game now?
Starting point is 01:00:02 I'll be honest. We're more of a reload type of school. What school you want to go to again? All right. So Ty Schmidt from Waterloo, Iowa. He's an Iowa Hawkeye. This guy over here has got a big question. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:17 Yeah, I watched you kick our ass for about three years in a row. So, no, but I'm curious, Ryan, who's your favorite linebacker of all time or who's the guy that you've emulated your play after because like pat alluded to you're one of the most athletic guys out there i don't think i think there are very few guys who play the position the way you do uh so i actually grew up a big fan of uh patrick willis and derek brooks so uh you know coming from florida everybody was a ray lewis fan and i love ray lewis but to me i feel, I feel like Ray Lewis always had a great D-line.
Starting point is 01:00:50 I'm just being honest. I'm going to be honest. Ray Lewis had a good D-line in front of him and stuff like that. But to me, that's why I like the Patrick Woodlicks and Derrick Brooks because they really made their names out of nothing. They showed their athletic ability. They showed they can make plays. So that's why I like those two guys other than Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis potentially also...
Starting point is 01:01:14 He said it. He said it. Top row, man. That wasn't me. There's a lot of evidence, too, that says. I'm not in that. Ryan Shazier said. The Pittsburgh Steelers. Expectations next year. OTAs just ended.
Starting point is 01:01:43 I'm assuming you were in the building, got a chance to hear some chatter from either coaches or players. What are real expectations coming from inside the locker room for the Pittsburgh Steelers next year? So, honestly, you know, we're all very confident. We all believe in each other. To me, I just like how we all have the same – I like how we all have the same mindset.
Starting point is 01:02:04 You know, it's just really a lot of team chemistry a lot of team camaraderie and then the thing that's funny is I place the bet with my family not yeah yeah yeah I really know I place a bet with my family and that we'll win the division you know and and I really feel that we can do it. A lot of my good friends, you know, they like to hype with all the other teams, but me personally, like, I love what we got. I love the mindset that we have,
Starting point is 01:02:38 and I really feel that we're going to win the championship, especially the division. Does your family not think that we're going to win the division? Does your family not think we're going to win? Not my family, like Michelle. I was talking about, like, my great uncle. Oh, okay, okay, okay. And one of my best friends, like, they just watch football. They don't really, like, care about who you play for.
Starting point is 01:02:55 Gotcha. So they basically just be like, man, this team's good now, so you guys have to watch out. I'm like, all right, whatever. This is probably a very difficult question to answer, but that's what I do. I'm cool, all right, whatever. This is probably a very difficult question to answer. But that's what I do. I'm cool with it. I get to the bottom of things.
Starting point is 01:03:14 Are you nervous right now for this question? No, because I'm just as good as deflecting as he is rejecting. with the incredible pace that you have rehabbed yourself to get to this point i don't want you to put like an actual like time frame on it but in your mind what is the goal to get back to athletic mobility and like being active and potentially getting back on a football field definitely getting back on the field but when's the first couple steps so i'll be honest my goal is to still make the hall of fame that hasn't changed make the hall of fame that's my goal that was my goal before i got hurt like uh i said something like probably like a week or two weeks before I got hurt, I was like, man, I honestly feel that like I was the best linebacker in the league
Starting point is 01:04:11 and if not one of the best linebackers of all time. You know, and a lot of people was like, whoa, bro, you didn't even play that long. But to me, you have to believe in yourself. And I understood what I meant, you know, what I meant to the league. And honestly, I'm not going to give myself a timetable, but my daughter said if I keep grinding, it's a very strong possibility that I can continue to get healthy. So my goal is just the same as it was before.
Starting point is 01:04:36 Just one step each day. Let's get healthier, healthier, and then let's get back on the field and let's make the Hall of Fame. You're a Hall of Fame human. Ladies and gentlemen, Ohio State All-American Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker, inspiration and future Hall of Famer, Ryan
Starting point is 01:04:54 Shazier! Thank you. Hey, man, that was pretty fucking cool, huh? So inspirational, man. He's a cool guy, too. We hung out with him the entire night after this. The entire night. He stuck around for the Q&A a just like pac-man did by the way then he actually drove foxy digs and tied to the casino we went to the casino he rented a table for us to go in the back shazier is a man that i'm not only inspired by and motivated by but very
Starting point is 01:06:00 happy to be friends with i think i can say shazier is a friend of ours great guy and he's a fucking man he saw toy story 4 said it was good too so something to think about he bought us all cigars Very happy to be friends with. I think I can say Shazier's a friend of ours. Great guy. And he's a fucking man. He saw Toy Story 4, said it was good too. So something to think about. He bought us all cigars. He bought Cigarzy a new cigar. He bought Cigarzy a new cigar because he saw Cigarzy was just chewing on a cigar that he found in an ashtray. He felt bad for me.
Starting point is 01:06:16 That was very nice of him. Shout out to Shazier. Send him some love. Shay Leaf. Honestly, we all do. I still plan on being a hall of famer was a quote That he said that made me feel so god Damn good to have him up on that stage I can't
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Starting point is 01:08:59 with a guy that's never celebrated it. And I think you're going to find this more intriguing than you could imagine. Honestly, when I say that, I mean it. Oh, yeah. You'll learn a lot. It takes a little bit to get in there, but just go ahead and dig your heels into whatever. If you're in your office, go ahead and just strap in.
Starting point is 01:09:15 Answers to questions that you yourself want to ask, they're answered right here. I think that is a factual statement. Seriously, I've been that way. I'm 50 years old. I've had questions about it. Just never went out and asked. I listen to Klein. factual statement. I've been that way. I'm 50 years old. I've had questions about it. Just never went out and asked. I listen to Klein. Answers.
Starting point is 01:09:27 Bang. Ladies and gentlemen, hashtag endgame, hashtag endgame. Send us some things you want us to talk about in the future after listening to this interview. And I hope it piques our interest and has us going because right now, sports are dead. Sports are dead. Dead time of the year.
Starting point is 01:09:44 We've got great interviews coming up, though, from this Baja Mar event I'm going to this weekend with the boys. I can't wait for you to hear that. Legends Week's coming next week. We got an interview with Kirk Herbstre coming up. But this conversation's going to be one that you're going to be like, huh, never knew I wanted to know about that. Look at that.
Starting point is 01:10:01 Oh, my God. Beth Chapman's dead. Oh, yeah. We played an R Oh yeah We played an R.I.P. We played an R.I.P. song before you Before we got our microphones Yeah Around you Around you I'm the dog
Starting point is 01:10:38 The big bad dog The bounty hunter Incredible show Rest in peace The Bounty Hunter Bruh Incredible show Rest in peace That is sad That is very sad They helped so many lives
Starting point is 01:10:52 Hey old Beth played no motherfucking games No You did not want to cross the bus Which is Beth Chapman Dog included Seriously You did not want to cross Beth Chapman I love when Dog backed down
Starting point is 01:11:02 Like in a fight When the lady was present And then Beth would just come in heavy. Beth would body a bitch. Oh, I know. Him and the daughter. Her and the daughter. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:11:09 Lisa. Oh, yeah. A little thin Lisa. She got into drug problems. Yeah, ice. Mm-hmm. I think she got into the ice. It'll get you.
Starting point is 01:11:18 It's tough. Somebody should look out for Leland right now, by the way. Yeah, seriously. Leland was fast. He might have read a 414. Take away his paintball gun
Starting point is 01:11:26 before he does something bad with it. That's fucked up. What's up, man? Are you kidding me? We're morning right now. Not Leland, we're not. Brought the Bentley out today. Ooh, looks good.
Starting point is 01:11:36 Haven't driven it in three years. It's not registered. The last time I saw it driving, you left it at Morty's for like three weeks. That thing becomes a parking lot ornament whenever i drive it because i forget about how much i hate driving it i think it's more looks than anything else anywhere there's like there was almost an accident of the red light next to me because people were trying to take pictures of the fucking car and i'm like oh my god more than the mustang more than the mustang way more than the mustang way way way more than the Mustang. Different class of vehicle.
Starting point is 01:12:06 And my car isn't registered at all either, by the way. I just got it back yesterday. I got it fixed because the entire thing was shut down. I literally just parked it on my driveway for three years. It was just sitting there collecting dust. I sent it to Graham Rahal and his brother at the Rahal Performance, which is, shout out to them. I don't know how long they're going to be in business for,
Starting point is 01:12:22 but if you're in Indiana and you need your car fixed up, they do it quick. They turn it around. I just finally looked at it one day while I was walking Chuck, the little fucking corgi that shits all over the house still to this day. I was walking him around, and I saw the Bentley sitting in the driveway. I was like, you know what? Maybe I should drive that thing someday. I mean, it's a pretty expensive car.
Starting point is 01:12:39 I bought it after my first comedy tour. It was comedy money. I felt pretty good about it when I bought it. It was just a flex for me and myself and I. And looked and i was like i should get that fixed so i texted grandma ray hall and i was like how long to take this thing and they're like we'll get back to you in three days i was like all right so i sent her over there got it back in three days drove it this morning i've i saw probably 40 45 cops i saw 40 45 cops i saw a cop behind me right behind me and that thing has got stickers from 16 on it. I saw the cop pull
Starting point is 01:13:06 out his cell phone and take a picture of it. I'm like, well, I'm getting pulled over. And then just went around me and drove off. And I'm like, oh, and he, like, I wonder if he's going to look at that picture later and be like, this motherfucker that thing was the right. Probably texting his wife. Look at his car. Look at this fucking Bentley driving on Pendleton Pike. Do you have a power ranking of all your cars?
Starting point is 01:13:23 Ford F-150 is number one. Ford F-150 is number one. Ford F-150 is number one, mostly because it has the juice. It's big. It's comfortable. It's my day-to-day. I'm not scared to drive it. And for those that are listening at home, I've always been a car guy.
Starting point is 01:13:37 I've always enjoyed cars and homes. It's been my entire life. When I was a little kid, I used to look up on the hill, and there was this one very rich person that lived up on the hill, and he just had these new cars coming in and out every day. And I was like i want one i want one of those one day i want one of those one day so i became a car guy and i have a lot of cars and i won't get rid of any of them i won't sell them for some reason i should everybody tells me just sell it if you're not going to do like everybody that bentley sat there for three years like just sell it just sell it i'm like well i don't want people to think i'm going broke
Starting point is 01:14:02 so i'm selling you know what i mean so i just hang on to it i'll just let this thing sit and waste away basically but the f-150 is number one absolutely number one the original escalade now that has black mold in it that cannot get fixed that thing is 1a that thing really yeah that's cool that thing i drove that thing like a honda civic that is the greatest that is the greatest vehicle i've ever had it's for the memories more than anything right yeah sitting down there by the barn. You can't do anything else, right? Actually can't open it. It's toxic. Like they said I could potentially die.
Starting point is 01:14:29 The black plague's in it. Yeah. Well, I don't know if it's a black plague. It's black mold. That's what started all that, yeah, with the rats. They teamed up together. People forget that. People do forget that, don't they?
Starting point is 01:14:38 Smart. Yeah, they're smart. So that one is number 1A. Then I think the Tesla has to be right there next because it's such a joke. It's a joke. I only bought it as a joke. I was like, this is a joke. And I buy it, and it's the fastest golf cart in the history of –
Starting point is 01:14:56 That's what it is. It's like you're on a roller coaster. Yeah. The thing goes from zero to 80 literally with just one little – and there's no gears, so it just goes. I don't drive it anymore because I get car sick every time I get in. I make gears so it just goes i don't drive it anymore because i get car sick every time i get it i make myself car sick so i can't drive that anymore shelby is probably number three if i had to guess but that thing hasn't been registered in a couple
Starting point is 01:15:14 years either because i wrapped it around a tree in my driveway so that thing got all fixed up by graham ray hall and the boys sam has his audi we just got i like that a lot i like the audio a lot you can you can put the harley in there somewhere too oh the harley's the harley's are they're in their own class they're their toys the harley is in the toys toy class you got that honda dirt bike too i got a honda dirt bike that i've never turned on i have no idea how to turn it on but all i want to do is just dmx rough riders anthem wheelie right down the middle of fucking meridian one night that's the only reason why it was purchased haven't turned it on um i'm great with money the i like sam's audi though so i bought her an audi for her birthday last year she turned 30 i bought
Starting point is 01:15:56 her this car and it had this audi driving thing on it where if it got close to a line, it would center you. Terrible. I hated the car. I literally almost gave it back immediately because you weave on the way, the way I drive, I am a loose driver, but I don't get in accidents except for with trees in my front yard. You know, when I'm trying to drift it around my fucking circle in the front, which is not a good decision. Well, you live and you learn. But if you get anywhere near a line, it would recenter you. So I was getting sick. I was fighting the car basically the entire time.
Starting point is 01:16:34 Found out how to turn that off. It was deep in the system. That became an immediately good car. Gorman, you're a big Audi guy. You love the Audis. Love them, yeah. Yeah, you're an Audi guy through and through. When I drove Sam's car home for you from the dealership,
Starting point is 01:16:49 because you were away on vacation, you were surprising her with it for her birthday. So I had to drive it from the dealership to your house. And the person following me, I said, hey, I'm going to go the back roads because there's not a chance in hell I'm going to crash this motor. So I'm going the back roads and go down that one hill On Sergeant Road or whatever it is And then deer Are you serious? I don't know if I ever told you this No I'm learning this right now
Starting point is 01:17:12 And I hit the brakes And I start to go again Deer from the other direction They were traveling together Or if it was the same one I don't know And I must have sat there for five minutes Sweating like I don't want to go forward right. I don't know. And I must have sat there for five minutes. They're such pricks. Sweating like,
Starting point is 01:17:27 I don't want to go forward right now. I didn't know that. That is hilarious. Was there a deer crossing sign? No. Oh, those assholes. I know. That's not where they're supposed to be moving.
Starting point is 01:17:37 The deer do not respect those signs. They do not. Yeah, everybody talks about humans. They're terrorists too. And everybody talks about humans not following rules. What about the deer's not crossing where the deer signs are What about that Follow the rules here
Starting point is 01:17:49 And whenever you're in the north And it's like a moose crossing I'm going to expect that moose to cross just there And only there You have your land, we have ours We've taken a lot of yours, that's on us But at least follow our fucking rules What animals have crossings, bear?
Starting point is 01:18:05 Bear crossing? Horse crossing? I've seen ducks. Ducks crossing? Amish have them. Yeah. Amish crossing? Buggy crossing?
Starting point is 01:18:12 School crossing? That's a kid, though. Yeah, those kids. Deaf. Oh, gosh. Deaf and blind kids have them. Do they get mad about that? They like single them out?
Starting point is 01:18:22 No, they say in this neighborhood there is a deaf child or something like that or a blind kid yeah and i think it's probably put their name on it you know is that all right no you're of those laughing about something else what are you laughing about nick uh just types of crossings go on zito's mom i don't get it golf cart crossings there are golf you know? Yeah. Do you think the Amish should use sails more often? Give the horses a break? I think so.
Starting point is 01:18:50 I agree. We saw a horse on our journey back to Pittsburgh coming through Ohio. We saw the Amish taking off. Yeah. That's all one big racket, right? The Amish are just all one big racket? It's fine quality, though, I think. I think they're selling good quality stuff. They're not.
Starting point is 01:19:03 I think they used to. They're upselling it now, too. That one guy, we stopped at that one gas station. He had those wicker baskets. And I was like, what type of deal are we working? He was like, no deal. He lost his horse. He was like, he's got a little fucking buggy there.
Starting point is 01:19:16 No horse. He wouldn't haggle? He wouldn't haggle at all. Wouldn't even move at all. He's fucking millennial Amish, I'll tell you what. I know. I don't like it. I thought that's what we were here for.
Starting point is 01:19:24 You're in front of a gas station that's selling fucking pizza. You at least need to haggle with me on this wicker basket. Ain't nobody buying this thing. I see that it's fully stocked right now. At least give me a little wiggle room. I'll do some work with you. Bullshit. Yeah, they don't pay taxes. 40 bucks. That's what it was.
Starting point is 01:19:40 $40? For the one I looked at, it was $40. It was nice, though. Yeah, it was nice. Did it have a USB plug-in? I don't know. For 2025, it would have been okay. It didn't have a USB. My dad used to do a lot of work with the Amish. And my dad speaks Dutch, like the Amish Dutch, whatever it is.
Starting point is 01:19:57 They speak their own little language. Pennsylvania Dutch. Yeah, my dad tried to talk to the guy, and the guy fucking cold-shouldered him. My dad was trying to befriend him. He was like, what type of finish you got on this wood here? Because my dad probably sold the fucking finish to said Amish person that did it. And he was like, it's just da-da-da. And then my dad started speaking the Amish Dutch to him.
Starting point is 01:20:15 Like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And the guy just stopped talking to him. And I was like, is there any fucking wiggle room on this? He was like, no, we work hard on it. And my dad and I both looked at each other like, well, fuck this guy. Tim McAfee was just trying to have a little Amish conversation. It's like whenever I go, aquí estamos, mi amigos. And they all go, si, yeah, bien, eh.
Starting point is 01:20:32 I'm like, yeah, my guys, whatever we can do. Did that this morning. You know what? They put a little electricity in their lives. They'd be a little bit happier. No, no, no. Are you talking about the Amish? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:42 They literally just hustle the entire system. They scam the entire system. They pay no taxes. They do whatever the fuck they want. There's no rules out there. And then they just go out into a little shed in the backyard and watch NFL Sunday. A lot of McAfee fans out there in the Amish community.
Starting point is 01:20:59 I'm a big fan of that. I like them. There's good people to have on your side. Jeremiah's? Oh. Yeah. They can shoot. I'd rather have the Mennonites on my side than the Amish.
Starting point is 01:21:06 Whoa. Why? How about the woman? That makes no sense to me. The Mennonites make no sense to me. I couldn't hold that one. Go on, Todd. They have everything that we do.
Starting point is 01:21:27 The same rules as we do. Are they the curly ones? The what? The curly. No, it's Jewish. That's Orthodox Jewish. Orthodox Jewish faith. Go on, continue on with that.
Starting point is 01:21:39 I just don't know why, if you have everything that we do, why is your only rule that you have to have bad haircuts and clothes that you make your mom make? And why do you have to ride in a back of vans? It builds character. It builds grit.
Starting point is 01:21:53 I guess. I don't know, man. Diseases, too, I think. Yeah. It builds a lot of that. So you just thought Orthodox Jews were Mennonites? I didn't know. There's modern Orthodox Jews, too.
Starting point is 01:22:03 I just took a swing there. There's modern Orthodox Jews, as well I just took a swing there. There's modern Orthodox Jews, as well. I missed. That's Michael Klein, one of my agents is a modern Orthodox Jew. He takes 24-6. He takes off Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. Can't use technology. He's Amish.
Starting point is 01:22:17 He turns Amish for 24 hours. It's not a bad idea. It's the most insane thing I've ever seen in my entire life. And he holds true to it. 1,000% holds true to it. He couldn't get in a car one time whenever we were on a trip. He had to walk.
Starting point is 01:22:29 Every time we've been with him, too, he can't eat food. I don't know why. Because it's not kosher. So if it doesn't have the little U with a circle on it, like on a bottle, there'll be a U with a circle on it. And you always thought it was like,
Starting point is 01:22:41 I have no idea what I ever thought it meant. That's the kosher union. Oh, yeah, right here. Or here or the orthodox union this means it's been blessed by a rabbi yeah somehow like he's allowed to drink it was prepared the right way yeah with a u with a hey their their prayers do sound like that, though. We were at that wedding, and the eldest statement there came out and did an entire thing. I would just always keep a rabbi nearby. I was like, I really want some pizza right now. Rabbi, please. Hold on.
Starting point is 01:23:16 I want to call him for the show. I got questions. Ladies and gentlemen, to answer all of our questions, Mr. Michael Klein of CAA. Mr. Klein? Yes, sir. Okay, what does the U with the circle around it on my smart water mean? It means that it is certified kosher. That is kosher water that you're drinking.
Starting point is 01:23:38 Okay, so Todd McComas asked, does that mean like a rabbi went in there and blessed the smart water factory, or what does that mean? No, what it means is that a rabbi went in there and blessed the smart water factory, or what does that mean? No. What it means is that a rabbi was there to supervise the process to ensure that it was just using kosher ingredients. Obviously, in water, there aren't any non-kosher ingredients. It's just water. But that there wasn't anything that is non-kosher that was used to bottle that water.
Starting point is 01:24:02 Okay. And you are a modern Orthodox Jewish man, correct? Everybody has got a different definition. So I identify as a modern Orthodox Jew. There are plenty of people that have different definitions as to what that means. So again, I believe I am a modern Orthodox Jew, but I understand that different people have different definitions as to what that means. You with them that means you can use either bathroom um no comment right right exactly i can use the orthodox bathrooms or i can use the conservative bathroom they're both right exactly right i would like you to know that we all if you
Starting point is 01:24:40 identify as we believe you man quick question separates you? You're a very tolerant podcast. That's why. Goddamn right. So I don't know if I should say that when we're talking about the goddamn. That's on me. Please don't. I'm offended by that. Yeah, well, there's a U on that.
Starting point is 01:24:56 There's a U in the circle of that goddamn. Okay, so. By the way, just one second. I'm sorry. Let me, that U with the circle around it is actually an OU. It's a U inside an O, and it stands for Orthodox Union. Oh, nice. So it's not just a U, it's an OU.
Starting point is 01:25:11 Nice. Okay, well, you guys are right here on my smart water. That's awesome. What separates you from the curly sideburn New York Jewish? Is that the modernness of the Orthodox Jewishness? Probably, although honestly, not much. Not much, again, in the way I identify as a modern Jew, as a modern Orthodox Jew. So we all keep the Sabbath, we all keep kosher, to a different extent, right? To a different extent, somewhat.
Starting point is 01:25:38 But those folks, and again, I hate generalizing anybody, but I'll generalize a little bit for the sake of this conversation. They generally try to be segregated from the world in certain ways in order to protect their tradition, which is something that I think is admirable at times and a little bit concerning at times. But again, I'm generalizing, so I need to be careful with that. Whereas, again, I believe, and that's where the modern sort of comes in, that we should live in the world and we should participate and we should contribute in a more meaningful way to not only Judaic, but also to secular pursuits. Okay, so you participate in the world on six days out of the seven days out of the week. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:26:22 One day is for family and spirituality and God. Exactly right. Am I right here when I say this? It is sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday. You turn completely Amish. Is that correct? It's close. Again, I'm not an expert in Amish customs. So I think in the way that you're describing, yes,, we don't, it's actually 25 hours. So it's a little bit before sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday night. During those 25 hours, we don't use electronics. And what I mean by that is we're not sitting in pitch black at night, but we don't engage with the electronics so
Starting point is 01:27:05 so there's no flipping on and off the television we're not flipping on and off lights like if you if it's on when when when shabbat starts we keep it on and if it's not on then we keep it off okay so when if i was to come celebrate shabbat shalom with you and the klein family in the modern orthodox would i be able to turn on the TV for you guys? Like the Amish do the Amish have like a third party operation that runs the saws for them and stuff like that. If I was to just so happen, you know,
Starting point is 01:27:35 pop over to the Klein Orthodox Jewish residence on a Saturday and just like turn on the TV, would you guys, would that be allowed or would that be kind of breaking Shabbat tradition? Before I even answer that, the idea of you coming to our house and sharing Shabbat afternoon or Shabbat dinner or Shabbat meal with us would be electric. We absolutely have to make that happen. Frankly, not only seeing you just interacting with the customs of the day, but also you interacting with my kids. Please, next time you're in L.A., that is happening.
Starting point is 01:28:10 Circle back to your question. That's one of the sort of things that is not in the spirit of the day, right? It's not really in the spirit of the day to have you flipping on and off television so that we can benefit from it. So are there folks that might be a little bit more lax on it? Yes. And I don't judge how they practice, right? Everybody's entitled to practice the way that they want. It's just not the way that we choose to practice. So that answer, I think I did, right? Yeah, you did. Absolutely. There's some questions from the room. Mr. Klein, we were just speaking and what brought this on was Evan Foxy complaining
Starting point is 01:28:43 about how you're never able to eat when you're out with everyone. He complained a lot. So I was hoping you could explain to the child what it goes into preparing kosher food. Was he complaining, or was he sensitive to the fact that I can't eat? Both. There was no complaining, okay? He's complaining right now, Bob. He's complaining right now.
Starting point is 01:29:01 He's very insensitive about you. Yeah, Foxy doesn't even know what kosher means. This guy is terrible. Foxy, you're a mensch. That's a compliment. That's a compliment. Was that a question? No, that's true, right?
Starting point is 01:29:16 Because there are not a lot of kosher establishments in Indianapolis, and that's where it seems to be. I seem to be with you guys out a lot is in Indianapolis, and there are not a lot of kosher establishments. So, again, I stick to the bread or chips and guac, something that I believe, something that I feel comfortable eating. Again, there are plenty of people that would describe themselves as modern orthodox that wouldn't even eat that, the stuff that I do feel comfortable eating. So yeah, that's what it is. Basically, the restaurants or the bars that we're in don't have a kosher kitchen. So even if a piece of fish, let's say salmon, for instance, is inherently kosher
Starting point is 01:29:55 and there's nothing non-kosher about salmon, because it's not prepared with a rabbi's supervision to ensure that no non-kosher ingredients are used or it's not necessarily mixed with, let's say, I'll be dramatic, pig fat on the skillet or wherever it's prepared. Therefore, I just abstain. A little bacon-wrapped salmon? Oh, I like that. All right.
Starting point is 01:30:18 That sounds delicious, but honestly, I couldn't tell you what bacon tastes like. I can tell you what it smells like, and it smells delicious. Oh, wait, so you can't eat any form of the pig because the pig is the lowest of... Filthy animal. Yeah. It's because it's non-kosher. I don't want to judge animals like you kind of like judging things. So pigs may be wonderful creatures, but it's inherently non-kosher.
Starting point is 01:30:41 So in any way you can prepare it, it doesn't matter. It's just non-kosher. So in any way you can prepare it, it doesn't matter. Is that because of what? It's not kosher and I can't touch it. Is it not kosher because of what it's fed? No. So we're getting deep now. We are getting deep. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:54 That's what we're doing this show. The reason why it's not kosher is because the Torah, and Pat knows all about the Torah. The fucking mountain. Mount Sinai. They walked all the way up the fucking mountain. And old God was up there. Two rocks, ten commandments. They walked all the way up the fucking mountain, and old God was up there. Two rocks, ten commandments. And pigs can't get up the mountain.
Starting point is 01:31:09 No, pigs chose not to go up to Mount Sinai. They should have gone on the boat. You guys are all idiots. No, the reason why it's not kosher is because the Torah states, and again, we're getting really granular here, that in order for an animal to be kosher, it needs to both chew its cud and have split hooves. And while the pig does have split hooves, it doesn't chew its cud. Therefore, it's not kosher. You need to ask God why those are the two requirements of a kosher animal. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:31:39 I can't answer that, but that's what the Torah says. You lied to me. You lied to me. I was told that the Torah was two rocks, five rules on each one. The one rock was the rules between you and God, and then the other five were the rules amongst the humans, and those were the Ten Commandments. Not once did you say that there was a hooves rule on these rocks up on top of Mount Sinai. You almost got it. You almost got it. Those two rocks were the Ten Commandments, right? The Ten Commandments are part of the Torah, but it's not the Torah. The Torah is the Bible, the Old Testament. That's basically the definition of the Torah.
Starting point is 01:32:15 So the Old Testament, within the Old Testament, lists the Ten Commandments and also lists all those rules, right? My great Dane chews its own cud. Can we eat it? Yeah, what kind of crud are they supposed to be eating zito's mom has folks oh geez those are the two requirements chewing its cud and split hoes okay um i can't thank you enough for coming in here and answering these questions i think this is going to be good knowledge for a lot of people by the way and i want to ask you this question and this is a little bit of a serious question. Well, two questions.
Starting point is 01:32:45 I am allowed to say the word Jew, correct? Well, you need to finish the thought and finish the sentence. But I don't believe that the word Jew is offensive. Yeah, you told me that last week, and it was a very – I still have yet to go out in public and on record and just say – Try it. Yeah, I have yet to let it fly out in public i don't know i don't know it doesn't feel right i i always state jewish people but you said that jew is completely okay i mean right like michael is an orthodox jew i don't think that's offensive to say okay so i'm talking to my
Starting point is 01:33:22 sheep i think that's offensive to say whoa whoa whoa you said it not me we're speaking with uh an orthodox jew so mr klein uh why is it and this is a real thing it seems like the jewish people are always entrenched in battle with the Muslim group. Why is that? Why is that just something that is in your guys' Torah? Is that something that is just in it? Why do so many people seem to hate it? Because I'm going to be honest, whenever, where we grew up, there wasn't a lot of Jewish people in Pittsburgh where I grew up at. Out here in Indiana, there's not a lot of Jewish people. In West Virginia, there isn't a lot of Jewish people. So once I started to get to know you and Kunin and others at CAA, you're my first representative of the Jewish religion and Jewish people. And the other Jews say that you're the most Jew Jew.
Starting point is 01:34:15 So you're getting a chance to chat. Am I allowed to say that? Is that allowed to be said right there? You're good. You're good. So this is, again, I'm not speaking on behalf of everybody i'm speaking on behalf of myself i i believe that's overstated right the the the rival between muslim and jews right like we i believe and i think i can say we believe anybody that's not extreme just be a good person treat people well be respectful of people and and and i would say just be cool with other people's beliefs, and you're going to be
Starting point is 01:34:46 rewarded. That's what I believe Judaism stands for, and that's what I believe Islam stands for as well. I don't believe that we're an innately hateful religion or that they're an innately hateful religion. I think there are sects of Jewish folks that I don't necessarily agree with how they go about things. And I'm sure there are plenty of Muslim people that feel the same way about certain sects of the way people practice that religion. And so I think it's overstated that there's this innate rivalry. I think good people prevail, and that's who we try to be. You are. You're a mensch, bro. You're an absolute mensch. I'm sorry. I know you
Starting point is 01:35:28 wanted something that's a little bit more elaborate. Maybe a little bit more out there, but that's what I believe. I think this is what our show does. Our show has real conversations about the real things in life. That's what we're known for. And this is a real conversation that I'm assuming a lot of people have never heard about. Educates. Yeah, we're
Starting point is 01:35:43 educating humans out here in the middle of America. Zito has a question. This should be good. Is there like a store that just has the all U's in it? Like the U-O-U? O-U, yeah. Not Jews, sorry. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:35:56 It's big business. Toaster deli. In New York, in Chicago, in Miami, in Los Angeles, in places where there are a lot of Orthodox or a lot of Jews that keep kosher, there are kosher supermarkets. So the benefit of that is you can just go in there and you can take anything off the shelf without having to search for that certification. And by the way, there are other certifications other than just the OU. There are lots more. You just haven't noticed them yet.
Starting point is 01:36:22 What does that even fucking mean? Like clues you're just giving us right now? Yeah, exactly. There's a triangle K. There's a whole thing. There's a whole thing of all these different organizations that certify products to be kosher. It's a gas station. Do you really like the bread that they give you?
Starting point is 01:36:39 The really dried one? You get like a religious holidays? No way he likes that bread. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Is this different religions? No. Are you talking about like matzah? Yes. he likes that bread. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Is this different religions? No. Are you talking about like matzah? Yes.
Starting point is 01:36:48 Yeah. Do you like that kind of bread? On Passover? Yeah. It's, I mean, you're only supposed to eat it really for eight days the entire year. Actually, it's actually pretty good. It's like a better version of a cracker. That's what I believe.
Starting point is 01:37:00 Mr. Klein? Yes, sir? believe. Mr. Klein? Yes, sir. Has there ever been a Friday where you didn't accidentally leave on the TV going into a Saturday, like during football season? I don't feel comfortable
Starting point is 01:37:13 answering that question. When I found out that as long as it's on when it starts, it stays on the entire time. Quite a loophole, my friend. No comment. That's not in the spirit of loophole, my friend. No comment. That's not in the spirit of the day, Diggs. That's why you...
Starting point is 01:37:28 Correct. Mr. Klein, I do not consider myself any religion. I have a lot of questions. I'm actually piecing together an entire stand-up hour called Finding My God where I dive deep into all these religions and point out the things that I find pretty hysterical.
Starting point is 01:37:45 Let's say I was to show up at your guys' synagogue. Synagogue? Yes. What if I was to show up there, jorts, tank top, and say, you know what? I've decided I'm an Orthodox Jew. How would that go about happening? Would that be able to happen?
Starting point is 01:38:02 Sure. I mean, there are plenty of people that have converted, some people that we're proud of and some people that we're not so proud of. I think Adam Sandler wrote a whole song about Jews that celebrate Hanukkah, some of which converted. So, yeah, I mean, it's a serious process, especially if you want to do it within the Orthodox community. It's probably a little bit harder to convert in the Orthodox community than it is to convert in other sects of Judaism. But absolutely, we are very welcoming of anybody that has a real genuine interest in the religion
Starting point is 01:38:31 and the practice of the religion, 100%. I just come in there and say, yep, Jesus is bullshit. No test or anything? Oh, no. It's a whole process. It's a whole process of hours and hours of study and meeting with rabbis and stuff like that. George DeSantis did that. It does not happen just overnight, at least again in the Orthodox tradition.
Starting point is 01:38:50 I can't speak to conservative or reform in their process, but in the Orthodox sect, it's a complicated, very, very difficult thing to convert. Can I get all the cereals in a kosher grocery store? Good question. Yeah, like Cinnamon Toast Crunch. Is that kosher? That is kosher. Oh, good for you guys, man. Hey, good for you guys.
Starting point is 01:39:13 Yes, I'm very, very proud of Kellogg's. Hey, Klein, why did I get the Monday Night Football job? Oh, come on. I'll talk to you guys later. Anything else Jew-related? Ladies and gentlemen, my Orthodox Jew friend, Michael Klein. Thank you all. Shabbat shalom.
Starting point is 01:39:38 Hey, shabbat shalom, bro. See ya. See ya. Is he related to Calvin? Klein? Yeah. I don't think Calvin Klein's an Orthodox Jew. I'm not certain he sells panties.
Starting point is 01:39:47 Learned a lot there. I'm telling you. I'm so intrigued by it. I think I might be the most intrigued human by religion, maybe on this earth. If I meet somebody who is of a certain religion, they have no idea that I'm coming in for at least a 30 to 45 minute conversation about everything.
Starting point is 01:40:04 And I think I can kind of put them off a little bit at first because I do have jorts on and a tank top. So they're assuming that I'm going to come in from some sort of angle, which I am. I just want to learn about it. But man, my first day meeting him and talking to him, he was like trying to recruit me. My first time talking to him actually was when I was still in the NFL. I was still in the NFL. It was like maybe my fifth year in the NFL, sixth year in the NFL. And he was working for a little tiny little agency. And he followed me on Twitter. And he was like, I want to represent you.
Starting point is 01:40:30 I don't know what you're going to do, but I want to represent you. And he had to have the head boss of that small agency called in with him. And they're like, what do you plan on doing when you retire? I'm like, I don't know, man. I want to make movies. I want to have a radio show.
Starting point is 01:40:42 I want to be in WWE. I want to do it all, man. I just want to take over the world. And the boss was like, okay, we're going to have to put together an entire plan for this. We'll call you back. Never called me back, right? So they never called me back. So then Klein calls me whenever I retire.
Starting point is 01:40:56 And he's like, literally like, hey, remember I called you years ago. I want to rep. So Klein has wanted to rep me for a long time. So I appreciated him. And he flew out to Indy to meet me and chat with me, and we sat down and talked. And he was just spinning everything about how CAA can do this and we can do this, and we know these people now.
Starting point is 01:41:14 He said, I'm new here. I was at a much smaller agency before when we called you. They didn't fully get it. This type of place will have the means to be able to do whatever you want to do. We can really figure out all the bullshit, Sal. You know what I mean? And then he said, my life, uh, I'm an Orthodox Jewish man, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, this guy doesn't even know what just happened. And I
Starting point is 01:41:33 literally put my feet up on the desk. I put my feet up on the desk and I think he thought I was going to come at him as a place of judgment. And I, one simple question, I said, what does that mean? And that led to an hour and a half conversation about what his life is religious-wise. And then we walked out of the room. I think you guys were all here. And I was like, oh, I fucking like this guy. And I just learned everything there is to know, I think,
Starting point is 01:41:53 about the Orthodox Jewish religion. I'm a big fan of Klein. I like Klein a lot, man. He's a good dude. But Foxy's 100% right. The guy can never eat. The guy can never eat. We're in Atlanta, couldn't eat.
Starting point is 01:42:03 We're in Indy, can't eat. He can't eat anywhere we go. It's a wild season. The one thing he didn't answer was, does anyone know here what crud or cut is? Crud, yeah. Crud. It's like a cow. They get that foamy spit coming out of their mouth and they just eat on it.
Starting point is 01:42:17 Oh, so you just eat your own spit? Yeah, it's like a digestive thing. They swallow it because it speeds up digestion. So if I eat, spit, or swallow? So like Tim McAfee doesn't really chew. He just in because it speeds up digestion. So if I eat spit or swallow... Tim McAfee doesn't really chew. He just inhales his food. He doesn't chew his crud. That's good to know.
Starting point is 01:42:33 So he said that a rabbi goes to the plant to make sure it's done appropriately. Probably when they're building the plant, if I had to guess. So, I mean, that water plant could change its ways. How often does a rabbi have to go back and check out when i say this i mean this aesthetic i think they stick with it pretty good i think if they want a week
Starting point is 01:42:52 checkup they're like fire marshals a union just come in check it once a month how many people we got here grade i like it so we had uh pac-man jones on today's show ryan shazier on today's show and probably the first Orthodox Jewish human that most people have heard talk and explain their religion. I think this was a hell of a Thursday. I can see Klein running from the back room as it's getting sundown on Friday night. Turn that television on!
Starting point is 01:43:18 Tomorrow, Notre Dame's on! Ollie ever said Notre Dame, huh? Wow! I just met a college footballer. Oh, yeah, yeah, huh? Wow. Wow. I just met a college footballer. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Unbelievable. Wow. Clemson's on.
Starting point is 01:43:35 He sticks with it. Because it's all in the spirit of the day. Because I'm always like, well, if you eat that, is God going to send you to hell? Because I'm like, well, so if you do this, is God going to send gonna send you to hell and he's always like i don't know uh everything is in the spirit pat everything is in the spirit of the day i'm like okay i respect that a lot he's but you talk to the other jewish folks that aren't orthodox about him they're always just like this guy the most jewish guy we've ever been around our entire life they call him 24-6 klein it's the
Starting point is 01:44:03 fucking great and the best is like, Pat will be asking him these questions. And if like people are around, Pat makes sure everyone around, you know, this guy doesn't use electricity one day of the week. He can make sure the entire people know. Have you ever,
Starting point is 01:44:17 like I think Sam Martin was at the wedding sitting on the one side over there. Yep. And I started, again at the wedding, there was a lot of over there yep and i started again at the wedding there was a lot of traditions happening that i've never seen before so i'm intrigued by this so i'm like what the fuck did that guy just said he was like he's blessing the bread pat i'm like okay i like it and then everybody starts screaming i'm like well what are we celebrating i know we're celebrating
Starting point is 01:44:37 something he's like oh he just blessed the wine i'm like okay my guy my guy and then sam martin's like oh oh you understand what's going on there and i'm like sam you have no idea this guy probably wrote this that this guy's right here and mike said i did not and i'm like uh are we gonna have this conversation right now we are uh sam this guy doesn't use electronics all day on saturday and then obviously that piques sam martin's interest and then all of a sudden we're right back in that hour and a half conversation every time i love it i think people should learn more about other people honestly I think it's a real thing I think ignorance usually is what leads to people hating people and if you can kind
Starting point is 01:45:09 of get rid of that that's awesome and I love learning about folks that's why Austin Colley same thing with the Mormon religion we're in the middle of a strength and conditioning training program and he was running right next to me and I'm like well I don't know if we'll ever get this time again I want to know everything about the fucking Mormons I would like to hear it from beginning to end.
Starting point is 01:45:27 And he told me everything, and then I go watch the Book of Mormon, and it's like, well, it's two different ways to describe the same religion. Two different ways to describe the same religion. That was awesome. Nice little Thursday for us. Yeah. Nice little Thursday for us. Great little Thursday.
Starting point is 01:45:39 Shout out Pac-Man doing an interview. He doesn't do a lot of those. Shout out to Shazier getting a huge pop in Pittsburgh. And shout out to Michael Klein explaining the Orthodox Jewish religion to everybody. This is a good day. Ty Schmidt, hit the music. We'll be right back. Ladies and gents, this is the moment you've waited for
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