The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 088 - 3x NBA All-Star, 2x Gold Medalist, 0x Showdown Champion Deron Williams & We Solve The Women’s World Cup Crisis

Episode Date: July 9, 2019

On today's show, Pat and the guys are back from vacation and they break down everything surrounding the US Women's dominant run during the World Cup, and try to figure out what the deal is with the pay disparity between the women's team and the men's team, and in the end, come up with a solution that could change the face of soccer in the United States. Also joining the show is 3x NBA All-Star, 2x Gold Medalist, 3rd overall pick in the 2005 NBA Draft, and 14 year NBA veteran, Deron Williams. Deron and Pat discuss all the craziness with NBA free agency and his take on guys like Kawhi Leonard and Paul George deciding to play for the Clippers instead of teaming up with LeBron. They also rehash their respective rounds during the Baha Mar NFL/NBA Showdown, chat about what D Will does in his free time, what he thinks of the current landscape of the NBA, the MMA gym that he owns in Dallas and whether or not he's ever considered getting into the octagon, and much more in an incredible conversation (27:45-1:14:27). Today's show is a fun one, come and laugh with us. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The boys and I are invigorated. That word I did learn on vacation. Invigorated, rejuvenated and ready to penetrate your ears with some magic today we cover everything that needs to be talked about we talk about the women's world cup pay salaries and we figured it out by the way yeah good for you good for us good for the team for what we did today absolutely and d will darren williams stops by for a conversation about the nba breaking down everything it's going to be something that you love also

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Everybody says whenever basketball ends, it's only baseball season. Kind of takes over the world. It's kind of a dry time in sports. Good luck, sports talk show host, they say. How good are you? Let's find out. Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. Sports have been awesome lately.

Yeah, they have. When I went on that trip, we all had a week off there. Sports were awesome. It was incredible. it are you let's find out blah blah blah blah sports have been awesome lately yeah i have when i went on that trip we all had a week off there sports were awesome it was incredible the nba we'll chat about here in a little bit great conversation with d will coming but the women's world cup had me fully entrenched in it i mean i was balls deep in that women's world cup i was pulling so hard for other countries to fail i I felt like a terrible person. Honestly, in the celebration that they're having at this point, too, I love it. It reminds me of whenever old Kazio Vechkin finally won. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And he won after it. This is a new Women's World Cup team, by the way. This is, I mean, Rapinoe has been around. Carly Lloyd's been around. She didn't play that much, even though she was still a co-captain. But this is a new batch of women. No more Hope Solo. It's a whole new women and i like their swagger i am a big fan of this women's world cup team todd did you watch it yeah i didn't watch this final one i just saw clips of

it but i followed the games prior to that and i became a judge not to watch the final you just chose not to watch the world cup i was in transit i did get a catch part of it the penalty shots yeah i got to see that part yeah yeah so i'm a i'm a big alex morgan fan yeah yeah i mean join the club buddy fucking is fired dude like her energy is so contagious i don't know how she doesn't go. Everywhere she goes, I'm sure, she's just one of those people that makes everyone around her better. I mean, she's celebrating hard, too, which I appreciate. The tea sip.

Awesome. Legendary. So good. Absolutely legendary. Because if you go back in time, obviously, the whole thing started, the whole England-America thing, happened to be a little bit of a tea party. You know what I mean?

So she went ahead and started a tea party. And then, obviously obviously the women win. Rapinoe and Trump get into it again. I mean, it's Trump and the NFL players, Trump and Rapinoe. Rapinoe hits a game winner in the Women's World Cup. That's tough. I mean, that is tough for the Trump. I mean, that's a tough look for the guy. But I mean, then it all kind of spirals into this,

just like everything, by the way. Everything becomes this political polarizing opportunity for everybody from both sides to kind of jump in and just take their swings or whatever they can it's you can't just celebrate america beating the fuck out everybody anymore right you can't because somewhere somebody's getting fucked you know yeah somewhere somebody's getting fucked you can't just be like yeah america's better than you again ha ha awesome let's go about our day we just learned about gaelic football just you said the internet like that could have been a perfect transition you know what i mean like boom america's better than you go fuck yourself oh what's this new sport

just on to the next thing no no no because now we live in a woke society where everybody knows everything about everything. And there's injustices where it seems that you would never think there's injustices. For instance, it all started, I think, with a Darren Revelle tweet. And I'll tell you what, Darren Revelle is an interesting cat. He gets either zero action on his tweets or he starts a war with his tweets. It's one or the other. It is an interesting situation.

By the way, we should say the Action Network's Darren Revelle. I still think everybody, he signed to the Action Network. He's no longer with ESPN. That was nice of you to clarify. Well, I just, in my head, every time I read Darren Revelle, I just think of him at ESPN. And I'm like, man, Action Network probably paid him a pretty good amount of money.

And it never, ever says Action Network. That's probably poor branding. If I'm Action Network, I'm having him change his name to Action Network's Darren Revelle, by the way, on Twitter. Something to think about. Neither here nor there. Well, you know what? Sometimes you don't want to be associated with that fucking guy. So I guess that's kind of up in the air.

But it all started with him saying, the women win the World Cup. They will each be paid $250,000. If the men were to do the same, they would each get $1.1 million. That's a big difference. Boom! Big difference. Big difference.

Over four times the difference there, Zito. It starts an instantaneous, whose side of the fence are you on? Whose dick is bigger conversation? And just like everything if you believe this then you believe this if you believe this you believe this if you believe that the lgbtq community should get to equal rights as everybody else all of a sudden you're a hippie who loves weed who doesn't understand the world blah blah blah blah if you think there should be

a border on the south you're a terrible person you're racist, you're a homophobe, you're this, you're this. If you believe that the U.S. Women's World Cup team, national team, who is the face of soccer in America, who is the most successful soccer program that has maybe ever existed, I would argue, maybe ever existed, should get paid at least equal to the failing men's soccer team, all of a sudden, you're a socialist. You're a coward

who has no idea how economics work, who just don't understand the world. You want a 90% tax on everybody because you feel this way. You want equal pay. You want a higher minimum wage. And I'm only saying that because I put out a tweet saying, hey, let's talk about these salaries. That's all I said. That's all I said, by the way, was let's talk about these salaries. And these were the tweets that I got from people, that I was a socialist who didn't understand the world, that I was a coward, that I bet I would like a 90% tax return. No, I fucking hate Bernie Sanders.

Let's make sure that is out there. But it's just one of those things where there's no more common sense anymore. And I understand the economics behind it, how there's $3.1 billion for the Men's World Cup cup and there's only 140 million blah blah blah but if i'm the u.s soccer federation which i'm sure is dirty which i'm sure is fucking just the most fraudulent operation just like everything else is in the world i'm trying to keep my ladies as happy as possible because they're the only reason soccer is going to grow at all in this country because all you see whenever you see men on tv is what them fail yeah just fucking fail every time

the same exact day the same exact day is the women go back to back the men can't even score a fucking goal in the gold cup final against mexico which is for those that don't know soccer one of our arch rivals like u.s mexico even as kids you it's a big time robert can't even score a goal can't do shit christian pulisic has a chance to maybe take it over and stuff like that but i just think there has to be there has to be somewhere where we don't just paint a broad brush over everything we have some common sense we're like you know what hey maybe those ladies that fucking represent for the red the white and the blue deserve a little bit more money and also maybe they need to light switch lou who can maybe go sell some fucking

sponsorships yeah and get them a bit more money out there that's what i'm thinking that's why i didn't like a lot of the arguments that people were making saying that you were basically a fucking idiot that didn't understand the financials of it i was like i don't this it seems bigger than what they're saying. So I looked up and it said, like, according to the Wall Street Journal,

the U.S. Women's National Team generated 50.8 million in ticket sales from 2016 to 2018, while the U.S. Men's National Team generated 49.9 million.

They outperformed them financially as far as ticket sales go. I know it doesn't count TV deals and whatever. People are obtaining sponsorships. Well, and it was also 18 games versus eight games.

So there's every day. But it's still, that's 50 fucking, they're showing up. Yes, they are causing tickets to be sold. Exactly. And this is how NCAA people talk about how, well, we can't pay the players because we don't make enough money. These women are making money.

They're doing their job. It is on paper. These women are entertaining. They are winning. They are doing their job it is on paper these women are made they are entertaining they are winning they are doing their job and this is this is something that just like i brought i talked about light switch loo like selling some some ads for them so for instance our podcast reaches a group of humans that not a lot of podcasts reach right podcasts are normally big city places our podcast happens to be in the middle of America. So our ads are worth more to a lot of companies than other people because we're reaching a demo that other people can't

reach. I feel like the women's soccer team should be making money because they're reaching a group of humans that the men's team can't reach, which are people that enjoy success, which is a group of people that you should want on your side. I feel like there has to be some sort of business plan or business route that the U.S. Soccer Federation, because optically, that looks so bad, that 1.1 million, 200. And it's also like maybe they just made that number up. Like, all right, that'd be like me to Zito. Like, Zito, if you ever play on the Cuban national team,

I'll give you $7 billion. It's almost like that's what they're doing. Like, if the men win, we'll pay them 1.1 million. If the men win the World Cup, we'll give them 1.1 million dollars like we know this is never going to happen but with the women they're like all right this is going to happen what is the actual it's almost like that is that's good that is kind of what happened so all the sponsorships happen now though right after they win so yeah this is salary this is all from like fifa and from u.s soccer as opposed to like post soccer like because like let's say the the 19th girl on the roster

she's not going to be getting a bunch of sponsorship right now right she's not going to do shit for the next four years and i don't think there's a good women's soccer league out there paying her right so she was a part of this this thing and she's supposed to survive for the next four years i guess off this is 250 000 payment But there has to be a way to better business this off. I dug into this a little bit in the way these revenues are split up basically. It's like the NFL, right? Kind of. The sponsorships are sold as a bundle in the sense that they're selling both the men's and women's team sponsorships in the same deal, which seems odd to me, right? It feels like you would want to sell those differently because then all that revenue is being split between them but it's like one propping up the other

used to be right but now they're arguably popularity of women's much more popular now women's i would say the women's soccer team is arguably i think they're more fun to watch too they're more fun to watch they're more entertaining they're more successful the the men didn't even get into the fucking world cup last time i mean exactly and this is a guy i played in the odp i came through the odp ranks the olympic development program i i got pretty high up in that world i mean i very much understand that how hard it is to make it the dudes just don't cut it for whatever reason whether it's politics on who makes the team who doesn't make the team who's coaching all that shit whatever it is the men's team play play a boring style of soccer they don't win and none of the stars are from america now granted the polisic kid has a

real shot to turn this whole thing on its head but until then i mean it's not gonna happen i mean it's just it's very interesting like you mentioned too i initially that's what i thought i was like okay well they know that the women are probably gonna win the world cup so they can't afford to say hey we'll give you guys 1.1 million they know the men are never gonna all right if the men win here listen up michael bradley if you guys want to work up we'll give you four billion dollars we'll figure it out if it happens it does feel like that is a chance to but boy optically it just looks bad especially in 2019 right now where it's everything is like hey let's make our world a better one that just seems to be one where it's just a glaring a glaring flaw wherever you're just

kind of looking also oh god do you think the social media push behind it like all these big people pushing well that's the world we live in social media is the reason why we live in a woke society. I mean, all this shit has been happening for years, but nobody knew about it. Just like I just said there, without social media or without Action Network's Darren Revell, we went straight from that. Congratulations, we're better than you.

I was on a resort with a lot of people, by the way, that were not from America. I had that not British shirt on. There was a lot of Brits around. A lot of Brits around. I had an American flag tank top on. I mean, it would have been a nice thing just to walk around, you know, just walk around and be like, hey, cock and a walk.

You know what I mean? How's it going? Our women, the country I was born in, the country that I was born in, the country that I popped out of my mother, Sally McAfee, who's an angel, I popped out of her. The women that surround our states, better at your game than you are so everybody can eat shit and move out of I would like that seat right there too sir I would like you for the world cup I'd like to do that but social media the only thing I could talk about now is well we're getting

fucked now the wind now our greatest our pride and joy is good instead of just the past by the way ignorance is bliss is a real thing back in the day when you didn't know shit it was just a happy time well we you know i have a friend named trip trip is uh one of the happiest dudes i've ever met he's one of the most attractive dudes i've ever met but it took him 45 years to graduate from west virginia university he's a dumb dumb ignorance is bliss he's one of the happiest dudes of all time he has no idea what's going on zito you are a perfect example i didn't want to say it right to your face but nick pointed at you youtube will see that it's definitely a compliment it's definitely because the more you know the more you have to analyze the more you have to think the

more you have to digest the more you have to be like fuck that's not right and that's what happened with the women's world cup it's like instead of just being happy and celebrating and moving forward like you wouldn't pass now it's like you know what they deserve a lot more than what they're getting they just they just put on a show beat the world's best work their ass off represented our country by the way which our country doesn't always get represented well in a lot of things it's like come on let's go ahead and take care of them so it's kind of a i don't say it's a buzzkill but man if u.s soccer and fifa could figure that out that'd be great because i'd like to celebrate a little bit yeah and you can't put like any blame on them for fighting for it

because like we already talked about, they're doing their part. I also read that the U.S. Women's National Team, they're actually profitable. So in 2017, they made $5 million in profit. Which probably never happened. The men's team lost $1 million. They overspent. So if they're doing their part,

then you've got to start looking at the business model what on the business end is lacking that's not providing who's getting paid a lot of money yeah we're getting good boys oh yeah we're not always known for breaking things down and being right about stuff true yeah. Yeah, I mean, something funny, Nick? Something funny, Nick? That's not how people refer to us, I would say. What was that? I don't think it's funny, Nick.

What was, if put back against wall, we'll figure shit out. Claw right out. I was just thinking about how much money is being tossed around to these people and how, you know,

we don't need any of it. We're going to figure it out, but we don't need any of the money to do it. We're just nice guys. This is unbelievable, Nick. We're going to figure it out, but we don't need any of the money to do it. We're just nice guys. This is unbelievable. We're doing it for them. This is unbelievable by Nick.

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There are two different CBAs. There's a CBA for the men's team and a CBA for the women's team, and they are negotiated and set up quite differently. Well, it seems like the female CBA, the women's CBA, needs to get Goodell on their side. They just signed a new one. Yeah, seriously. They just signed a new one a year or two ago.

The one before that was shit, and that was the reason for a lot of the outrage. The new one is better, but it's still not quite equal. The problem is the men's get paid. They get paid only if they play. So if a men's player doesn't play in the game, he does not get paid for that tournament, for that match, whatever it may be. So if he's on a bench, he doesn't get paid? I don't know about that. I don't know if it's a matter of dressing or being, you know what I mean?

But the women's do. They make a base salary and then they make bonuses based on performances and whatnot. So that bonus, the thing that I was talking about, the bonus is something you could very easily add if you win a World Cup. That bonus could very easily be added. Another $250,000 bonus could be added in there somehow. And is there not a world we live in where some sponsor, some insurance company would love to? and is there not a world we live in where some sponsor some insurance company would love to all states is the official sponsor of the world cup bonus given to every women's i mean the 250 i mean they're somewhere easy it's an easy thing or is it a matter where they just gotten complacent

and said all right the best women in the world or the best american women want to play already but not all the best men want to play for the national team. So we have to gear the business model to bring in more money for them to get them in, which isn't fair. If you're a woman, she's like, yeah,

I want to play no matter what I'm getting paid. It doesn't mean I shouldn't have equity. I shouldn't have parity in pay. And that's kind of the U S soccer Federation's kind of throwing that in their face, uh, saying like you negotiated this, you're okay with it. But throwing that in their face, saying, like, you negotiated this. You're OK with it.

But the women's national team is saying, well, we did this so we wouldn't go on strike. Their statement is this is the best agreement we could get without having to go on strike and having people lose money and being locked out. So interesting, because that tweet I put out, man, I've never seen that type of reaction. The tweet after, too. It was crazy. You summed it up best, man. I've never seen that type of reaction. The tweet after, too. It was crazy. You summed it up best, man. Broad strokes. This is why.

Yeah, my tweet afterwards. Check out my previous tweet. This is the reason why Twitter is the undisputed best. Just watch everything go. And for 20 minutes, I watched everything go. But it was getting nasty. I was getting pissed. It was getting very hateful in there.

There was people saying very, very terrible things. And it wasn't about, it left the salaries quickly. It turned into everything else. Just like I said, if you believe this, then you believe this. It's like, oh, you want this? Oh, of course you do. You blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, oh my God, I don't want to be a catalyst for this.

I don't want this to be my timeline. So I had to delete. I actually deleted it. I was like, I have to delete this because I don't want to read this in my timeline for the next fucking four years, which is potentially going to happen. But it is. It's so interesting that there's never any just there's never any. Let's put our swords aside. You know, there's never any like, let's just think about this from a smart, common sense standpoint.

There's never any. smart common sense standpoint. There's never any... And these people are talking and acting as if it's their cash going to Alex Morgan or Rapinoe or Presley. It's like it's their cash going. It's like, what the fuck is wrong

with you? Why doesn't everybody want everybody to be rich? Why doesn't everybody want everybody to be rich? I'm just trying to support these awesome athletes that I love seeing play. That's it. It's as simple as that. How about this? When I watch them win and beat another country, it makes me feel like I'm a fucking better human,

and I would like them to get paid more. How about that? How about that, buddy? How about that? How about whenever I watch the men's soccer team play, I want to crawl into a fucking hole and die? You don't make me feel good about America. You don't make me feel good about myself or anything.

How about that? What's the problem with them getting rich? I don't make me feel good about America. You don't make me feel good about myself or anything. How about that? What's the problem with them getting rich? I don't know. But yes, I assume they'll all get rich now. Not all of them. The stars will all make money from the, just like the Olympic girls do with gymnastics and everything like that.

And the tour that they'll go on playing soccer against people, they'll make more money. But it's just optically, it looks so terrible with that action network, Stan Revelle Street. Would you ever like to see a like um a world cup just like year round though like just a league it's like a u.s savers everyone like yearly though it can't happen i mean i mean that just it can't happen that's why the world cup's the world cup is because there's every four years it's a build-up you know i mean this is a big deal this won't happen for another four years whole new team's

gonna come in things like that the premier league and worldwide that type of shit happens but i don't think americans have enough uh does the women's have a premier league all that uh they have a league they have a couple they have a european league because the goalie the what she got cut from chelsea or arsenal okay something she got cut from them like right before the world cups up and then she won goalkeeper I don't know what it's called, the glove. Glove of the tournament? She'd have the golden glove.

I think she got a golden glove. But she does not have a team right now. So I guess there is pretty big women leagues overseas, just like in basketball, there's women's leagues overseas. But in America, the women's professional soccer

has tried to kick off numerous times and it's never really stuck i think there's one currently going on jj watts jj watts girlfriend plays for the houston team so there is one currently i'm not sure how great it does hopefully the world cup will boost it up a little bit but man watching a women's soccer team play it's awesome it's fucking awesome i'll watch it on the plane i'll watch it on a plane i'd like to know how merchandise works right so you got a bunch of dudes that are probably buying USA men's soccer gear, but to wear it to root for the women. So I wonder if that's like a separate thing.

Because of the size. Nope. The USWNT, US Women's National Team jersey, was the number one soccer jersey men's or women's ever sold on Nike.com. Good news. Our first ever C&D came from soccer. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It did, actually. Our first cease ever cnd came from soccer yeah oh yeah it did actually

our first cease and desist came from soccer for the heartland shirt that's still the greatest shirt we've ever made they should have ceased and assisted us but i wish they were taking the money that we made just give them to the fucking women i wish they would have done that that would have been great but i would i do wish there'd be cooler heads calmer thoughts but i think we're moving into a society we're not moving in I think we're moving into a society. We're not moving in. I think we're already very deep in a society that just doesn't think about anything. They just let it eat.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And I think it does suck to have to be that generation of athletes in your sport that has to legally fight for this. You know what I mean? That they have to be the ones to file the lawsuit. But, you know, that happens every now and then. You become that generation of that athlete

and that sport that has to think about the athletes of the future. I'm happy we figured out the World Cup thing. Yeah, me too. It's the least we could do, honestly. We don't do a lot for the world,

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Excuse me. Excuse me. Scottie Pippen played the round of his life. People are saying I'm the best teammate around. People are saying I'm a better teammate than Jordan because whenever I'm around Scotty, he performs his absolute best. That's something to think about, D-Will. What you sipping on right there?

What's that? It's Horse Soldier Whiskey. You know that movie, 12 Strong, where they hop on those horses and roll into Afghanistan? Yep. Okay, so those dudes, like the real-life guys, You know that movie 12 Strong where they hop on those horses and roll into Afghanistan? Yeah. Okay, so those dudes, like the real life guys, own a brewery now in Ohio. They make bourbon. Yeah, it's like 100 proof.

Nice. Yeah, it goes real hard. Are you a hillbilly? Because you don't never got no shoes on. Speaking of hillbilly, you're from Parkersburg, West Virginia. Exactly. That's why I asked. Speaking of hillbilly, you're from Parkersburg, West Virginia.

Exactly. That's why I asked. Anybody in my family, as soon as they get somewhere, they take their shoes off. And just kick ass and relax. I just like to be comfortable, man. And I think what I learned from you is that you are an NBA legend. You don't have to say it, even though I don't know if you do or not. I don't know you that well. But you're an incredibly cool dude.

In the NBA, I expected you guys to be a bit more prima donna because how much money is flowing around i feel like you guys got a pretty cool little fraternity of guys over there yeah we do man we do you got a chance to play with bron bron over there in cleveland 2017 yeah did you enjoy that experience do you think kawaii and paul george will regret not going and doing the same or do you understand why they did that you know i mean i definitely enjoyed playing with lebron you know i had a chance to play with him you know not only for that last half of the season in in 2016 uh or 2017 um but i played with him in two Olympics. And so I've got a chance to see him on multiple levels.

And his basketball mind is so crazy, you know. Not talking about his work ethic. I mean, you can talk about his work ethic because it's unbelievable too, but just the mind that he has for the game of basketball is unbelievable to watch and see and be around, you know, day in and day out. And so I think they'll miss that. I think, you know, I think he can teach those guys something, you know. But I understand why, you know, why they did it. You know, they wanted they wanted something of their own because it's always going to be his team.

No matter what numbers he's putting up, no matter what he's doing, it's always going to be his team. And so I think maybe where they're at in their careers, especially Kawhi, you know, now he's won two championships, two finals MVPs. He wants his own legacy not to be attached to LeBron. Do you commend that? The NBA has become a league where people are going to go play with other people. People act as if

the super teams is something new. There's been great teams that have been associated with each other forever. It's funny, man. All these older cats, they bash KD when he went to Golden State, or they bash LeBron when he went to Miami. Man, guys have been playing together for

ages. I mean, it's not a secret. And the game has changed. The CBA has changed. The rules have changed from when those guys were in the NBA to now. And so, you see guys changing teams more often because that's what the NBA wanted.

They wanted a more competitive league from top to bottom. How about drama too? It feels like there's more drama too with it because we're talking about the NBA at all times, just like the NFL. The NFL has mastered the media control for year round, no matter what it is, whether it's somebody getting fined, a trade talk, something happening like that. The NBA has found their groove, too, with these teams. All press is good press when it comes down to it.

You know, if you're talking about a brand, if you're talking about, you know, not all press, I'm going to say all press, but, you know, for the most part, you know, and I think these when when, you know. for the most part you know and i think these when when you know the kd leaves and goes to the warriors you know and he kind of becomes a villain in some people's eyes you know that's that's great for the league because now these guys are going to tune in to root against them but they're still tuning in no matter why they're tuning in they're tuning in any given day any given day there's a conversation about who the best basketball player is on earth i mean at any given time there's a conversation about who the best basketball player is on earth. I mean, at any given time, there's a new conversation. Kevin Durant, people are saying. Steph Curry, at one point, had that on lock when he came in and changed the game completely.

LeBron James is still around. See, for me in the NFL, I think it's very pointless to have that conversation because situations happen and style of play and everything like that. I assume that's the same thing in the NBA. Yeah, I mean, you guys got so many guys on the field, you know, and so many guys, you know, you're playing one side of the ball for the most part. You know, so it's hard, you know, to have an impact on, you know, both sides of the field. In basketball, you're doing everything.

You know, you got these guys that are out there for, you know, 40 minutes, 38 minutes playing the whole game. And so it's a little bit different. And you're always going to have, you know, you got the different styles, you got different things. Like Steph, you said, you know, he's, he's, he changed the game. You know, he's changed the game. Nobody's shot like him. Nobody's been able to do what he's done on the court. But, but, you know, when you're talking about the best's changed the game. Nobody's shot like him. Nobody's been able to do what he's done on the court. But, you know, when you're talking about the best player in the game, for me, if you ask me right now, I'm going to say LeBron James. You know, and I might be biased because I've played with him.

You know, I've had a chance to, you know, see him day in and day out. But there's never been a player like him that does what he does. That passes like him, that knows the game like him, that scores like him, that defends like him. He's just 6'8", 260, freight train coming right at you. I talked to Gordon Hayward a couple weeks ago. He said he didn't even pay attention to the NBA playoffs. A lot of NFL guys, whenever they get out of the league, they don't watch NFL games.

They're sick of it. Do you pay attention? You still watch games? Still love the game? I haven't played. When I was playing, no, I didn't because I was so pissed off that I was not still playing. It's like I can't watch.

Now, when I'm in a member guest or something and I get out, I don't go watch the rest of it. I don't want to see somebody else win but but but now that i'm not playing i do actually i i enjoy watching the playoffs man i enjoy uh that that that series between um the blazers and okc dame and uh and russ going it, that was fun to watch. There was some fun series this playoffs. Is there any truth to whenever people say that they don't like to play with people? So when Kevin Durant left and went to Golden State, just like you talked about,

people were calling him a snake. And then whenever Kyrie was considered a guy that you wouldn't want to play with, now Russell Westbrook is getting deemed that title. Like, oh, Russ might be the reason wouldn't want to play with. Now, Russell Westbrook is getting deemed that title. Like, oh, Russ might be the reason why nobody wants to play with him. Is that a real thing? Or is that just all media BS? I'm not saying about Russ. I'm just saying in general

whenever these stories come out. I'm not one to call guys out and stuff like that, so I'm not going to speak on anybody individually, but I think there's guys that don anybody individually, but I think, yeah, I think there's guys that don't like playing with each other for sure. You know,

I mean, it happens. I mean, you know how it is. I mean, you're in the locker room. There's, you know,

there's beefs that are had, there's, you know, different conflicting styles. There's guys where you might think they're a great fit playing with you until you get on the court and you realize, and then what you thought it was going to be. And so I think that definitely happens in the NBA.

And I think the media definitely magnifies it or in some cases they make something out of nothing. There's always two sides to the story, but you never know. Chris Paul told me when we were about to tee off that he got a text message, an update on his phone that he was in Space Jam 2. And I immediately congratulated him on being in Space Jam 2. He looked at me and said, I'm not in Space Jam 2, man. I said, Chris, you deserve to be in Space Jam. He said, no, what I'm saying is somebody said I was in Space Jam and it ended up being an alert that people got sent to their phone, I'm not in Space Jam.

In the NBA, these things do seem to happen more often than anywhere else. It's crazy. These sources that are going around the NBA, these writers, the Stephen A. Smiths and Chris Broussard and all these guys, it's pretty comical, man. Because when I was in New York, I had some stories written about me that I was just like, that never happened. Never happened.

But a source said it happened, so it happened. Kyrie and KD went to Brooklyn. Yep. The world got flipped on its head over there in New York. Knicks Nation has kind of held down the fort of the world, the city that never sleeps. Now Brooklyn looks like it's about to hold that thing down for at least the next few years why do you think they picked brooklyn over the knicks and what is your experience whenever you're with the nuts well i don't know what universe you've been watching but the knicks

ain't made the playoffs in like nine years or something. And the Nets have made it like a lot more than them, I think, lately. But I don't know. I think, you know, Brooklyn in the last, since they've switched to Brooklyn from New Jersey, has just done a great job with their brand. You know, a great job of, you know, turning things around, you know, especially over the last couple since I've left they've I mean they've you know kind of started over and they've done a great job and

You know new ownership in there now and new pretty much new everybody And so it's like they got a new life and and the Nick the Knicks are kind of just same owner doing the same things You know You always talk about like like, you hear about, you know, this organization's a good organization, a well-run organization. You don't really hear too many of those things about the Knicks. I mean, I'm just being honest. It's sad because, I mean, that's one of the, like, if, you know,

you'd ask me when I was playing if I could just go anywhere, you know, and it would have worked out. The Knicks are one of those places, man, because the Garden is special. Like, it's probably my favorite place to play in the NBA. There's so much energy in there. They love the game of basketball. They want their team to be so good. It just hasn't happened for whatever reason. In the NFL, if you're a high-profile athlete, you get a bunch of lunatic creatures that can cure all

with their super potions and shit like that. I think KD will be back for the second half of next season with this Achilles thing because there's something, some treatment plan will happen. Those are big eyes you're showing. You are showing some big eyes right now. I'm just thinking right now while you're going. going no yeah yeah yeah so i'm thinking that with the rehabilitation the rehab the possibilities as a guy who owns a gym which you do which we will talk about by the way in the mma space which is wild to me i can't wait

to talk about that but do you think KD will be back next year? And do you think the Nets can make a real run at this? You know, that's a tricky question. I'm sure. No, I don't know, man. They say Achilles are like a year. It's like a year thing, you know? I mean, I'm sure he could be back in eight months, nine months, but is he going to be, you know, ready? I mean, that's going he could be back in eight months, nine months, but is he going to be ready? I mean, that's going right into the playoffs time. I mean, that's hard to come back from and be full speed where they need him to be.

That's a tough injury. Seasons are so – Especially his age. He's older now. I mean, he's in his 30s now, right? Yeah, he's old. He's old. He's got a new number, too. He's got a new number, too. He's number now. He's in his 30s now, right? Yeah, he's old. He's old. He's got a new number, too.

He's got a new number, too. He's number seven. What is he now? He's number seven, man. 35 got him in the league. 35 got him some things. 35 did this. 35 did that.

Seven's about to take him to a new fucking height, though. Okay. So maybe lucky number seven will get him back on the court. Hey, now we're talking. But I don't even know. do they want him back next year? Do they want to just get him through that whole first year, let them develop, let all their guys, and then integrate him in the next year?

Were you on a team ever that was trying to suck for the lottery? Not really. We made the playoffs every year in Utah except for my first year, and we only missed it by, like, two games. And then when I went to the Nets, we stunk. And we weren't trying to stink. We just weren't very good at the time. I think that's a –

And we had a lot of injuries. But I've never been on a team that like was purposely tanking i don't at least i don't think that makes no sense to me by the way because what if you get in the lottery you have a 17 chance of like these teams their entire franchises are just burying themselves for a 16 chance and i And I just don't know if that's a big enough percentage for me to suck. I just, like, I was a part of a team that, I mean, I guess sucked for luck. I mean, I had no idea. I was kicking the ball as hard as I could every single time. But I guess some players said some schemes were being called

that weren't exactly fitting the situations they were in to land with Andrew Luck on our squad and get rid of Peyton. But it's a very interesting thing whenever teams try to do that in the NBA never made any sense to me you know I think it I think it makes some sense I think if you're if if you're one of these teams who you're looking at at your record in you know December or January right and you know there's no way you can make the playoffs no, there's no way you can make the playoffs. That's when you start sitting these guys that are going to maybe win you 10 more games or 12 more games than you might win if you start these other guys

or play these younger guys and start developing them and see what they can do. So I think it's kind of like a give and take. Do you think Zion's going to be an animal? Yeah, I think he's got a chance to be. I mean, he's a freak of nature, you know, to be that big, that strong, that fast, jump like he does at his size. It's pretty incredible. Long seasons, though.

You guys have long seasons on the road a lot. How do you take care of the body? Well, I mean gotta you right you know i'm looking at his frame man you know it's not like he's he's not fat by any means you just said he was fat no i said he's not fat by any means wait what do you will i'm sorry i think there was a glitch there you said he was fat Why are you trying to start stuff? You want to have me fight Zion Williamson? No, I like Zion.

I don't want that guy. I'm going right for a double leg. Catch that knee, bro. I'm going to use my wrestling. But his frame is a big one. He could look. I mean, he's one of those guys that I think he'd benefit from losing like 20 pounds, like leaning out, you know, slimming down.

I think he'd be that much more explosive, that much faster. But I like his game a lot. LeBron did that. Yeah. LeBron. I think LeBron, he went through some phases where he, I swear, I swear he got up to like 280 at one point. He was huge. I'm not saying he was fat.

But then he came. Don't try to start that. So D. Will is on the record saying LeBron and Zion, both fat basketball players. No, but he came back, though, tiny. It looked like he was tiny. And I remember the talking heads were like, is he still going to be as dominant as he was now that he isn't as big as he was? There's always something to talk about.

Then he averaged like 29.8. Let's talk about this. You have an MMA gym in Dallas. How did that all come to be? Were you a wrestler in high school? No, I couldn't wrestle in high school because it's the same season as basketball, but I wrestled. I started when I was five

and I finished my eighth grade year was my last year wrestling. And so I've always kind of been drawn to MMA because, you know, especially, you know, when it was first getting started, a lot of the guys were, you know, had wrestling bases. And so, you know, like the Randy Coutures and guys like that, Chael Sonnen's. And so I just like to watch it. And I became a fan and started training i actually met some some guys out in utah when i was there there were some usc fighters josh berkman steven seiler um a couple other guys i started training and then when i went to dallas um one of my uh one of our assistant coaches he does jujitsu and so i went with him one day and

we did some privates with uh with this guy named safe saoud and uh you know started doing private classes with him and was loving the training he was amazing teacher coach and then he showed me you know he was kind of breaking off from where he was at and was starting his own thing and i went in and this gym was like no other that i've seen and i was like man can man, how can I be a part of this? And from then on, we've been great friends. He's my business partner now. And he's done a great job of – in the last two years,

we've gotten nine guys in the UFC, two in the top ten already in two years. And, you know, we're just rolling. Hey, watch out for flying knees man those things you see that thing hey funky funky ben askren was on this show i talked to him he's uh by far you haven't talked to him since then nope i don't know if he can form sentences bro he's the best frisbee golfer in the ufc yeah to this day he is the best Frisbee golfer in the UFC. Yeah, I got to give him that. And still to this day, he is the best Frisbee golfer in the UFC. He didn't follow me back on Twitter, so I'm not a friend of the show anymore. But he caught a knee right to the face there.

And in that sport, that is something that can really happen immediately. Would you ever get in the ring? Would you ever get in the cage? Or is it only like... You know, I've thought about it because i mean i train i train a lot you know um i've always wanted to do one fight you know whether it was a for charity or whatever i've wanted to do one it's just i gotta stop golfing in order to do that and that's been the problem you gotta put the golf clubs down for like at least for like eight weeks for a training camp

you know just to be serious how often do you golf hey yeah a a training camp, you know, just to be serious. How often do you golf? Yeah, a couple times a month, you know, maybe like five a week. Bro, that was my – So people ask me what I do. You know, they'll ask me like, you know, what are you doing now that, you know, you're not playing? And I'm like, well, I usually drop the kids at school. I go work out and I go to the golf course.

And then I pick the kids up. That's a long time, though. Hold on, though. The kids are at school for a long time. Yeah, I mean, they go at eight. And they get out at... The first one gets out at three. I mean, you're putting in fucking hours at the golf course.

No, I mean, I don't... I mean, I put in a good four hours. Oh, no. Hey, how many points did you earn? One and a half. Thank you very much. One and a half. That's solid.

Thank you. Well, I didn't. Scobie. Scobie. Scobie. And then. Who was your alternate shot partner? Thielen.

Thielen? Yeah. So you had two good partners. They did, too. They had a good partner, too. Partner of what? With golf. A drinking partner?

Listen, there's a lot of games of golf. Some are physical, some are mental. I was there strictly to slow down Ray Allen for Scobie, which is what I did. Slowed his ass down. down ray allen likes to play quick he's a rhythm golfer we slowed him down i lost some balls in the woods had to go find him slowed him down got him out of his rhythm scoby kind of took over and then del curry and chris paul that space jam comment t box one i already had him i fucking had him i had him there i uh bing bang boom we're good we ended up splitting uh with them but it was uh i had a fun time down there but you're putting in hours at the fucking golf course that was my first real round of the year

their first the the first one first time i've ever played 27 holes in one day in my life in my life oh darren i don't need your shit right now i don't need your shit right now. I don't need your shit. You know what it was? I think you need shoes for balance. I just don't know if you're right. I just don't know if you're right. No, I don't mean everybody. I mean you. I was watching your swing. You're thinking shoes will help?

Maybe. I don't know. Probably not. Wendy, you didn't even get to see the show. You might want to start over. You are a good golfer. You see Kyle Williams chipped that thing over my fucking head, though. Kyle Williams is a player.

There's some real good golfers out there, yourself included. Kyle can play. He went one under, I guess. He only went one up on Del Curry. Del Curry played... They were playing. They had a good match. Who'd you take on In the Scobie

How'd it go I beat him Three up What What Good for you bro What are you talking about I beat him

Wow I made Birdie putt on 16 To close him out Man Scobie wasn't even Out with us either It's not our fault You know what I mean I made birdie putt on 16 to close him out. Man. Scobie wasn't even out with us either. It's not our fault.

You know what I mean? So I might have contributed to that. I saw him and his wife in the casino the night before, and I was like, hey, you guys got anything to celebrate? We should do some shots. Oh, you fucking basketball players. I feel like they need to celebrate something. don't know what it was but they did help me out darren you're from west virginia you know this you offer just a little bit of

a carrot of alcohol in front of white people they're gonna run for it scoby scoby down there louisiana boy too. He's like, oh, yeah, fuck yeah, we're celebrating. I was told going into that last day, by you, by many, yo, you got Scottie Pippen, you got no problem. Don't even worry about it. Scottie Pippen. So I had never seen Scottie play. I was going off of what Greg Anthony said.

Greg Anthony. Greg Anthony made it seem, maybe he got you, because he made it seem like Scottie Pippen was the worst golfer in America. There was no worse. He was like, Scotty can't break 100 is what he said. He can. And he didn't have four birdies on you. Yeah, he did.

He dunked one from 180. Why? Pink dunk. Yeah, but didn't he shank it first? Yeah, yeah. He also duffed one, like a par three. He fucking blades it to 10 feet and then center cup birdie. And he looks at me, nice par, bro, and walks off.

The fuck, Scotty? I don't need your shit right now, Scotty. Pippen ain't easy, he says to. I mean, it's nonstop from the guy. It's nonstop. So you're saying that he got in your head a little bit? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh?

Huh? Yeah. Remember you were just talking about Chris Paul and Ray, how you were there to slow him down? No, no. Scotty Pippen. Yeah. No, no. He got the better of you.

No, no. Mentally. No, still true. Physically. Not mentally. Physically, he did. Not mentally. Never mentally, Deebo.

I refuse to listen to what you're... We're going to dump that out of the interview. What you just said right there. Can't do that. It's not authentic. They told me I was coming on an organic... Who's they? Who's they?

Who's they? Who's going to win the NBA title next year? Man. That's tough. The West is a monster right now. They just shifted right back to the West. I don't know. I think the Clippers and the Lakers are going to be battling out in the finals. How good for L.A. would that be?

There was a chance that the Rams and Chargers Were going to have to play For the conference right there in the middle of LA Now there's a chance that the Western Division Is going to run through LA They always find a way Los Angeles always finds a way To be in the middle of everything

How's Mark Cuban? I like Mark He's cool As real and as genuine as he is he seems on tv he's always around you know he comes to practices you know he shoots the shit with everybody um you know he's he he keeps it real he said he's you know he tells you how it is talk straight up with you you know it's not like he's going behind your back talking about you. He's a really good owner. It's a shame they can't get any free agents. Yeah, why is that?

Dallas is a good city. It's a great city. I don't know. I can't say I didn't go there when I had a chance. Let me tell you about a company that saved my life while I was in Hawaii. Okay. When you're in Hawaii, the weather's warm. There's always an option to get into the water, though.

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yeah yeah we did yeah you did oh you didn't have a good time no i i left way before you you don't know that you don't know because my brother was in there with you at the end of the night. That's either here or there. The voice, please. God, Zeke. Mr. D, well, who did you dislike the most when you were playing in the NBA? You say he doesn't like throwing people under the bus.

Oh, yeah, I'll throw him under the bus. Let's go. Dante Jones. Jesus. That's with the A-H, right? I couldn't stand him. In Denver, he was in Denver. He used to trip me.

He used to grab me. He was so dirty. And then I got on the team with him in Cleveland, and now we're great friends. How would you retaliate when they start tripping you and shit? Man, you got to keep your cool, man. It's the NBA. I mean, you get three games for throwing a punch i ain't trying to do that i need that money yo shout out stack shout out ron artest yeah yeah yeah

fans are so close to you guys really close yeah like so you see that golden state what happened with kyle lowry yeah he's an investor of the team, not an owner of the team, by the way. That's what they said. He was an investor. Yeah, of course. Of course. I pull down five boards apiece whenever I go to a game, Pacer game. I get five fucking boards. I'm sitting right behind the fucking – you're lucky you didn't come into the Pacers whenever I was there.

You would have scored zero points. That's true. I had some of my best games at Conseco. No, no. What's it called now? Banker's Life. Yeah, it's Conseco still. I had some of my best games at Conseco. What's it called now? Banker's Life. Yeah, it's Conseco still. I agree.

Hey, I'm in your world, by the way. It's Bonkers Life when I go there. Yeah, there's certain places. Like Utah is still the Delta Center. I don't care what they call it. I don't care how many times I change his name. It's going to be the Delta Center. Hey, listen.

You get a business to commit more than fucking four years, and I'll have a little respect for it. You played well in Indiana? Yeah, I had some good games in India. I always had a lot of Illini fans there, so I think it was a little motivating. Wait, was Jason Kidd a teammate of yours? No, in the Olympics. Who did he play?

Didn't he play for the Nets? He played for the Nets way before I got there He was in Dallas When I went to the Nets Okay, so there was a moment between me and Jason Kidd Where I thought I was going to get punched in the face By Jason Kidd So it was like fourth quarter tight Ball comes off the backboard

Bounces, I jump up Snag it, box out I'm front row right underneath the hoop. I am. I'm right there. I can see you really doing it. You're not exaggerating. Bro.

You snagged the board just like that, too. Yeah. Bro, I was trying to get 10. I was trying to get 10. I snagged one from Roy Hibbert's agent, who was Jordan's agent, who created the Jordan shoes. I fucking dove almost on him. The big bald-headed guy from D.C.

I don't know his name. He's an important character, though. He got a lot of me in him for my fourth board. But I picked up my fifth board. I picked up my fifth board, okay? Yeah, I mean, who's keeping stats here? I mean, we're having a good time. And Jason Kidd's doing the inbound pass.

And I hold the ball straight out like this to him. I hold the ball straight out to him like this. And he's looking at me dead in my eyes. And I go, take the ball, Jason. And he just looks at me. Take the ball, Jason. And he looks at the ref. He goes, will you get the ball from this guy?

So then I have to throw the ball to the ref. Then the ref bounces it to Jason. Then Jason passes it in. Something happens, and then he gives me this weird look as if I'm a psychopath and jogs down to the other end of the fucking court. And I'm like, I got him. Hey, kid, you're my kid now. You're my baby now.

I'm your daddy. I'm your daddy, kid. I'm your daddy. And do you see why he might have looked at you like you're a psychopath? Five boards, bro. You were having a game by yourself inside the game that you were not a part of. Just for future reference, I think he scored seven and only got two boards that night. I just wanted to be known.

The only thing that kind of holds me back is the assist. Nobody, they don't want me. You know what I mean? It's impossible to get an assist from front row there. But I'll figure it out. Yeah. I hucked one. You ever shot one from front row there. But I'll figure it out. You ever shot one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got kicked out.

I got kicked out immediately. See you later, sir. Thank you so much. It was a fever game. It was the Indiana Fever. It was the WNBA. Ball came to me, hucked it up. Sir, you have to leave.

You got it. It didn't go in either, by the way. I'm 0 for 1 shooting in Canseco, banker's life, whatever you call it. Next question. Darren, if Elon Musk ends up developing a time machine, is there a stretch of time, a moment of time, or even a game in your career that you would pay a considerable amount of money to use that time machine and go back and do it again?

For sure. What is that? That would be the NCAA Finals against North Carolina. I did a lot of research, so I know exactly what happened, but those who are listening that don't know, why don't you explain what the fuck happened? I'm diving right into Sean May's legs.

Because he went like 13 for 13 from the field against us. And you lost? Yeah, sadly. I didn't know that. So you'd fork over a considerable amount of money to do that? Like MMA, gym money? Like how much money would you fork to do that over?

That's a tough question, man. What year was this? 02. No, 05. Sorry. 0 sorry oh five oh five and you went to illinois yeah and the boys in the room here whenever we read that you went to illinois got real excited i guess you guys were an incredibly electric college basketball team that illinois team of yours yeah we had a solid solid run that year we started off 27 and oh oh lost the last uh regular season game to Ohio State

and then didn't lose again until the finals. Sean Hayes. Who's he? Some white guy? Sean May. Sean May. Big boy. Who's Sean May?

He was a center for North Carolina. He was a lottery pick. Played probably a good seven years in the league. Scotty Mays kid, right? I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. What was the final score?

Oh, we lost by seven. I think it was 77-70. Hey, good run. Hey, look at you, though. Hey. Hey. Hey. A couple chances.

Hey, taking Illinois to the national championship. That's massive. Yeah, it was good. We needed to win it, though. I don't know how much I'd pay, but I'd pay some money to go back. You could Tonya Harding them, too. You could pay. That's what I'm saying.

You take those legs out. Maybe you go back the day before the game. The day before the game and do the Josh Scobie thing to Sean May. Hey, Bob, you were saying National Championship, man. Here's some shots. Go ahead. Get loose. All right. Here's some shots. Go ahead. Get loose. All right.

It's not a bad play. There's a game I'd go back to 13-9 and miss two kicks. It's tough. I'd still get death threats to it. I'd pay a considerable amount of money to get that out of my life. Elon must take it all.

Next question. D. Will, you're a golfer now, big-time golf guy. Who is your dream foursome that you would love to play with on the course? You and who else? Three other guys. I can't be included because I'm here, so obviously just take me out of it.

Yeah, I don't know if you'd be on that list. No, no, no. I just wanted to save you from having to put me. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you didn't have to say it. I'm going to go with, they're all golfers. I'm going to go with Tiger,'re all golfers. I'm going to go with Tiger. Okay.

Arnold. Of course. And Jack. Let's go. Oh, man, can you imagine? How would you do? How many strokes would they give me? What are you?

Are you a scratch golfer? I'm a one. Holy shit. I mean, seven hours a day, though. Tiger's up at one. It's not seven hours a day, though. Tiger's up at 1... It's not seven hours. It sure feels like it. Tiger's up at 1 a.m. right now getting ready for the fucking game. He's ready to go. That guy's

going to win about ten more championships. Think so? I think so. I hope so. I'm pulling for it. Hard for it. Yeah, I am, too. I am, too. So you just love the game of golf, huh? I do. Always have, or did you get into it whenever you were... No, I used to, man. I used to. Growing up, I didn't play so i thought i thought golf wasn't a sport at least the stupidest game ever born to watch these guys aren't athletes until i started playing it and realized how hard

it was to hit that little white ball where you wanted to go and so it kind of it was like the first sport where i naturally wasn't like decent at at. I could pick up a bowling ball and bowl. I'm good at table tennis. I play tennis. Whatever. I could compete. I could throw a football. I could catch a football.

Golf? I was swinging and missing, topping it, sculling it. It just drove me to want to be good at it. Where did you dive into it? drove me to want to want to be be good at it when did you dive into it uh my going into my rookie season uh kenny thomas i don't know if you remember that name but he played for sacramento kings i do remember kenny he uh he invited me to play in his um his charity golf tournament before my rookie year so i went up and played i mean of course i never played golf in my life so i was just out there pretty much riding around i hit a couple shots whatever and i was like i want to start my own foundation so i

was like i'm gonna have a golf tournament so i had a golf turn i figured that's what everybody does they have golf tournaments so i had one and i was just so bad that i was just like you know what next year i gotta be better and so i started playing a little bit and then just kind of got you know how it is when you get that golf bug. It just took over. Good for you, man. I had that golf bug one time in my career, and then it stopped. Then it left.

I'm going to get it back, though. I thought about becoming good at golf before next year's tournament if I get invited back. I thought about it. That's what CP was talking about. He was mad with his performance, so he wants to get a little bit better. You like Chris Paul? I do.

I do. Yeah, we've been friends since college. That's awesome. Does he hate Sean May, too? I don't know. I mean, he's a Wake Forest guy, so he probably hates all North Carolina guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Makes sense

Evan Fox back here Was the young Child looking kid That was with us Massive NBA fan I can't wait to hear What comes out of his mouth Yeah D. Will

You talked about Steph Curry Changing the game With the shooting Do you like the new NBA shooting Or do you miss The low post

Physical game That it used to be Hmm I think we'll see it again I think I feel like This thing is kind of game that it used to be? Hmm. I think we'll see it again. I feel like this thing is kind of going waves. Yeah, it's like a wave. It's a cycle. It's a cycle.

I do miss it because I think when I came in the league, it was kind of that way. I came in in 05 where there was still a lot of – I mean, Shaq was still dominant. There's all these dominant postmen. As a point guard, the pick and roll was my bread and butter. I enjoyed that part of the game and having the traditional big man. But I also like the space on the floor. When you've got four guys out there that can shoot. You know, it just opens up the floor. And it's just a different game.

It makes for a different game. I think it's fun. I think the fans want to see. They like seeing threes. They like seeing, you know, the 130 points being put up. And so that's kind of the trend right now. What point guard did you look up to whenever you were young? Jason Kidd was a big one.

AI. Yeah. You know, me and Jason Kidd. I mean, I was a big fan? Jason Kidd was a big one. AI. You know, me and Jason Kidd are back. I watched everybody. Stockton. Stockton to Malone. Stockton to Malone. I know my basketball, Darren. I see.

I don't know shit about basketball, bro. I got a jumper that's wet though tell you that right now yeah you ever shoot at all you still play a game at all uh i shoot i shoot and i mess around with my kids but i'm only i'm only like hooped like three times since since uh i've been done man you just going into an la fitness though and, and just fucking... That'd be so much fun. I think that would be a tough... No, that's an accident waiting to happen. That's my biggest fear.

Yeah. Why? Because some me will get in the way, you'll roll your ankle? Just try to take your leg. They don't know no better. You'd be going up for a layup. Here they come sprinting 100 miles an hour thinking they're going to stop you, and they just take your whole left side out.

Happened to me in intramural high school basketball. Went for a dunk on the teacher's team. They fucking took my legs out. Took my legs out. Bang. Flat on the back. I'm a coach for the rest of this fucking season, boys. I'm a coach.

Ty, you got one? Yeah, D. Will. We talked about him a little bit earlier. A lot of reports have come out that have said that Westbrook potentially could get traded. Where, somewhere, if he does, who are a couple guys you'd like to see him play with? Or where do you think he would benefit from going the most? Is he always angry, too? Is he always what?

Angry. He seems like he's an angry guy. He plays angry. He does. He plays with that chip on his shoulder. I think it's just him. He's always been like that, though. If you watch his highlights from college, it wasn't as bad,

but when he dunked viciously, he was going to let you know and let everybody in the gym know. Yeah, all that. So that's what makes him him. Who would you like to see him play with? They're saying Miami with Jimmy Butler down there. That would be a good one. That would be a good fit, I think.

I think, shoot, him and New York. I think he has that personality, the right mentality for New York. Him and R.J. Barrett out there and that Iggy kid from Michigan, Izzy, whatever his name is. I just don't know who they have to give up to get him. The owner. They should just get rid of James Tolbert. Just get rid of that guy. All all right we'll give you the owner uh d will i can't i can't thank you enough for

joining us man you spent all that thanks for having me you spent a lot of time with us here this is very nice you know talking to my my second favorite punter who's your first oh steve weatherford you know the lion eye former lion eye you know i like steve he works out he's good dude he works out a lot he wants to he wants to come out and hang out with me in utah for in the summer i'm like i don't know if i really want that because he'll want to work out too much well i back whenever he was doing snapchat at first whenever everybody had snapchat i followed him on Snapchat. All he did was work out literally all day.

It was a post of another workout every single day. I was just waking up. He was about four workouts deep, and I'm like, yo, me and this guy play the same position. Something's happening wrong here. And then he's just stayed on that routine for what seems to be a good six straight years now, and he is insane to look at when we interviewed him he was working out good and we started we interviewed him and he started

fucking bench pressing the table like he flipped the fucking table over and started with the headset on microphone started bench pressing the table started doing wall sits during the interview it was like he was jonesing. He had to get a fix. Isn't he from Indiana? Yeah, he's from Terre Haute. Right over here. I met him at a camp. I went to his camp. I met him. And he worked out in the middle of his camp. Are we going to

a bar out here? What's going on? You mean you weren't on that same program with you? You know, I just found if it's not broke, let's not fix it, you know? And I never really was that big of a workout guy, so he got me to where I was. Let's just go ahead and ride this out, see how long it lasts.

You know what I mean? See how long it lasts. I appreciate you, man. Yeah, man. Thanks for having me. You're in Utah right now? Yeah. Are you playing in that Lake Tahoe thing? No, I didn't get invited this year, man. Yeah, man. Thanks for having me. You're in Utah right now? Yeah. Are you playing in that Lake Tahoe thing?

No, I didn't get invited this year, man. They didn't invite me. I'm not a big enough name. Yikes. Yep. That hurt. That hurt. That's probably why, because I didn't, two years in a row, losing that.

I didn't want no losers. Oh, you've never had, you've never won the showdown no we lost it last year too oh you've never won the showdown I'm just saying you've never won the Baja Mar NFL versus NBA showdown ever in your entire life have you have you had that with you every day i can neither confirm nor deny going through the airport was rough with it though it was heavy these things are so heavy you never know but like they are so heavy d will it is insane i only want one time i undefeated a champion golfer no big deal champion golfer hey man somebody you. Champion golfer. Hey, man. You know what? Somebody sent me a link to your little cartoon about the sheriff.

That was one of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life. True story, too, man. I think that's why I was invited to the show now, because I think of that story. Was it? I think that story in itself is it. Damn sure wasn't for your golf game. Ladies and gentlemen, three-time NBA All-Star,

two-time gold medalist, zero-time champion at showdown, Darren Williams. Appreciate it, fellas. Shout out to DWill8. Follow him on at Darren Williams on Twitter, DWill8 on Instagram. Shout out Todd, Frankie8. Follow him on at Darren Williams on Twitter, DWill8 on Instagram.

Shout out Todd, Frankie, Boisito, Foxy, Ty, and old Gator back there for hanging out. I got in the office late because of the Hawaii time change. Really fucks me, by the way. Are you jet-lagged? Yeah.

I've been there. I don't think you ever have. I'm jet-lagged right now. Yeah. Sensual. It's a tough time zone. I do forget about that though because it was at like 4 o'clock and I saw your Instagram

story and it had the time stamp on it. I was like Jesus Christ, it's 7 a.m. there. He's got a full day ahead of him. I woke up in the fucking World Cup final zone. I woke up. It was like 6 a.m. in the World Cup final zone. I was like, holy hell. But it made me feel like I was a real good guy. I felt like I was the rock.

Sam and I were up at like 5.30 a.m., hiking at like 6 a.m. I'm like, bro, we're fucking killing it. Look at us. We're like Mark Wahlberg. And then we get back today, and I'm like, yo, I'm going to have to sleep for about six, seven hours.

I'm in a bad spot. I'm in a bad spot. Today, I got to travel up to Iowa. Excited to do that. Got some shit going on in Iowa. That'll be cool. That'll be fun. I'm traveling again today, and then I'm traveling again Saturday.

You're going to be so jet-lagged. My body's not even going to know what time zone it's in by Saturday. Extreme rules. This Sunday I'll be doing a watch-along with the WWE. Exciting stuff. Yeah. Exciting stuff. They're leaving the PG era.

Does that mean I can leave the PG era? Oh, that'd be nice. Oh, you want to do the fucking table? That'd be nice. Extreme rules. Yeah. Hey, I can do that. Yeah.

Yeah, who knows? Hashtag end gang. Hashtag end game. Send me some stuff to keep me laughing during my travels. I would very much appreciate it. Make me laugh. Send you some merch. It's a pretty easy game end gang end game end gang end game the avengers stole it from me but i stole their ending so is it still a sponsored hashtag oh yeah yeah it still pops up

oh what did i watch i watched something that i thought you would like spider-man oh yeah with iron man right there's this new Yeah, you watched the new one? Yeah. I watched it. How'd you like it? I thought it was cute. You're always going to be a Toby guy. I thought it was cute. You know what? No, this kid won me over. He's good. I liked this kid. I liked him a lot. I liked

what he did. I liked everything about it. Iron Man seems like a really cool role to have, though. You're just the fucking guy. Oh, yeah. I'm just a hero at all times. I'm richer than you. I'll save the world better than you. I got a better suit than you. I created your suit. No spoilers. He had a good run.

Robert Downey Jr.'s done? I think still alive. He died. Yeah, in Avengers. Iron Man died? Yep. In Avengers. You knew that. Spoiler band's been lifted. It's been out for months now. I didn't know that. You saw the Spider-Man before this.

Yeah, the last one. Another new Spider-Man just came out on like 4th of July. What? Yeah. Oh, I thought you watched. And better, right, than the last one? I was going to say, in true Pat fashion, I'm assuming he watched the second one. But no, you actually watched the first one.

This is awesome. Is this with Tommy, the same kid? Yeah. Oh, look at that. It's my one. This is awesome. Is this with Tommy, the same kid? Yeah. Oh, look at that. It's my guy. That's his name, right? Tommy. Yeah, Peter.

Tom Holland. Yeah, Tom Holland, yeah. Yeah, Peter Parker, I know. How about that girl's dad being the guy? Crazy, huh? Wow. The way they write movies. I was sitting in my fucking pod.

I was sitting in my pod on the plane, and when it happened, I was like, of course it's the fucking dad. Of course. It's just the water. It's the fucking dad. I knew I should have known that. I should have known it was the dad. I should have known it.

I still don't understand how those webs keep up with anything those other guys do. It's like Hawkeye with them arrows. I don't know how they keep up with any of that stuff. Quick trigger. Well, how about Karen Tooby on his ass for not knowing the suit? I mean, that was a kid that had no idea what he was doing. He's throwing in a terrible situation. Lady, fucking get off his ass.

He's a high schooler. When do you see the second one? Oh, boy. Oh, man, I can't. Hey, he's ripped up in that first one. Oh, yeah. 15-year-old kid with an eight-pack. Ripped up in the second one, too.

Spider bite. Huh? It was a spider bite that one, too. Spider bite. Huh? It was a spider bite that got him strong. Is that a spoiler? No. Was that in that movie I just watched? Oh, yeah. No.

They didn't show it, but that implies. They didn't imply shit to me. They showed that in the Toby one. Yeah. That's the origin story of Spider-Man. He gets bit by a radioactive spider, gains little powers. Oh, by the way, there was a chance for the upside-down kiss again. Yeah.

In this one. And I was like, no, they're not doing that to Toby. They're not taking that. Nah, that's Toby's. He didn't pull the trigger. He didn't pull the trigger. And my ear thing just fell off. Ty Schmidt, hit the music.

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