The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 091 - AJ Hawk Is The Absolute Best

Episode Date: July 18, 2019

On today's show, Pat and the guys welcome on friend of the show, Ohio State legend, Super Bowl champion, 5th overall pick of the 2006 NFL Draft, and one of the funniest humans on the planet, AJ Hawk, for the entire episode. They discuss everything from AJ and Pat's relationship, them calling NCAA Football games together, AJ's relationship with Aaron Rodgers and how the Lake Tahoe tournament was, his thoughts on the raid on Area 51, whether he thinks aliens are real, and what he enjoys doing in his leisure time. They also cover his thoughts on players not being happy about their ratings in Madden, how he thinks the Packers will fare this NFL season, what it's like being apart of the first celebrity couple, whether he thinks Urban Meyer will coach college football again, and much more. It's a hilarious interview (2:14-1:49:44). Today's a fun one. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That is right. A.J. Hawk sat down with us for the entirety of today's show, covering absolutely everything. The NFL, golf aaron rogers baker mayfield you name it we talked about aliens a lot of alien talk water talk talks about water did we ocean oceans versus space oh yeah yeah we dug into it all and i think you're going to enjoy the hell out of this conversation sometimes when i'm talking to him i completely forget that the guy is an absolute legend, not only in the NFL world, not only in the NCAA football world,

but in the world in general. A.J. Hawk is a name that rings true with humans everywhere. Hey, you know A.J. Hawk? Oh, I've heard of that fucking incredibly manly name. Last name of Hawk? That'd be great. Oh, his girlfriend did

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Oh, are you in a big boy chair over there? I've got a chair. Yeah, look at it. Is that a satchel? What is that? It's a satchel. Yeah. I don't know.

It's like my wife's desk. Oh, yeah. Quick deflection there. All right. don't know. It's like my wife's desk. Oh, yeah. Quick deflection there. All right. I like it. I mean, I'm not scared. I would carry it. Well, the reason why you could carry that is because joining us now live from his home,

sitting on what looks to be a royal chair of some sort with a high back, and it's because this man deserves it. He's a super bowl champion his actual license plate says ohio state legend he's from ohio he's one of the most handsome men on earth fresh off the american century championship golf tournament ladies and gentlemen podcaster good at lifer motivational speaker cliche user handsome white guy linebacker aj hot what's up man nothing at dude. I'm so excited to talk to you. I haven't talked to you in so long. I know.

It's been a while. Whenever I send you a text, I get a FaceTime call nine days later. So I'm excited to catch up, man. I want to let you know it's not just you. It's not just you. I've had an insane schedule the last couple months. I've been running around like a madman. And when I did see that text from me that you sent to me,

I saw it immediately. And something happened where I just didn't respond. And that's 100% on me. That happens a lot, though. I do these IG stories. I ask for people to ask me questions. I never respond. It's 100%. It's a weakness of mine. It's a weakness. It's not a weakness. I get it. I do the exact same thing. Trust me, I don't take it personally. I'm okay with it. You asked me why I wasn't in Tahoe. And I almost feel like there was a chance if i was out there i would have been invited to you and aaron rogers little 70s or 60s party you guys had i actually missed that little 80s party i was not there for that i had to go to the course for some i forget what it was some karaoke night actually i'd go watch but they did that while i was away and i came home

they wanted me to get in costume but i didn't bring anything accidentally oh you were living with aaron rogers out there not living but yeah he rents a house out there so we stay out there my brother and i and my wife were there and we paddleboard in the morning get in that cold lake and swim and it's a great spot man i would have went if i knew there was a chance of me being invited to this house i'm sure you would have he pat or um aaron told me you were awesome down in the bahamas that's what i'm talking about can you say that a little bit louder so we can clip that if you could look straight into the camera too so we can use this as a and use instead of saying you say pat mcafee yeah where's my camera on my phone yeah no that may be i'll say yeah a. Aaron told me, hey, Pat McAfee was the MVP of this tournament.

Whoa. Oh, my God, dude. I don't know what you know. I mean, something just happened inside of me that hasn't happened on a lot of times. I wish you would have went to that tournament. It would have been cool to have you down there. Oh, the Bahamas thing? No, I don't think I.

You guys are good golfers down there. No. I played off in Tahoe this year. Maybe the worst I've ever played. How many years have you gone to this Tahoe tournament? I think this was my ninth year. Because early in it, you speared a random drunk kid on the course. That took over the internet.

I think that secured your invite forever, I'd assume. I would hope it would give me a couple years i don't know there's they tell you there's like nine there's like 88 90 people in the field and there's over 400 people in consideration so every year they cut people so i'm just thankful to keep getting invited back i'll do whatever it takes i wonder if they'll invite me next year since i turned it down this year at the 11th hour i literally what happened man i was just my schedule was fucking insane it was and i was like i can't go for five days to tahoe right now with everything we got going on so i had to back out of it literally at the 11th hour though it was uh it was me talking to the mirror a lot

like bro this tournament is an awesome fucking term you see it on tv all the time your best friend aaron rogers is going to be there other people are going to be there you have to go and then i i made like the first mature decision of my entire life i was like nope it'll ruin me if i go out there for four days i won't be able to survive yeah i mean everyone missed you we uh there's a players meeting on wednesday night and they said oh there's 21 new players this year in the tournament and they they announced the new players and they stand up and give a little wave and they didn't announce your name. And I was like, all right, well, it's not that he didn't just miss the meeting. They didn't announce his name, so he must have backed out.

And I knew your schedule was nuts. But then every single day I was out there playing multiple people, usually 36 years and below. Everyone was like, hey, man, where's Pat? Pat's not here. What's going on? Where's your boy Pat? 36 years old and below. I got that locked up. Yeah, you do. I'm like, I don't hey, man, where's Pat? Pat's not here. What's going on? Where's your boy Pat? 36 years old and below.

I got that locked up. Yeah, you do. I'm like, I don't know, man. Real busy, I guess. And then the next three minutes later, another kid would ask him, I don't know, man. I'm not his dad. I was wondering how long it took for you to get sick of that. I wish we could have had the footage of the exact human that asked you that question that

you were done with it. I don't fucking know. All right? I asked him the same thing. I wasn't that direct with the dude, but I guess I try not to get outwardly frustrated. I try not to show it to them. But then I took it as a compliment. I'm like, hey, man, I guess some of the things that Pat and I have done, people watched and listened.

That's a great way to flip it because we have done some magical stuff we we had a podcast called the laces out show where it was me him and jerry thornton who's a uh personality from boston it was when i was at barstool aj was doing some stuff and i looked the schedule was terrible i mean it was a fucking terrible schedule we recorded it like midnight on sunday nights and we had a show monday morning i mean, it was tough. It was very tough. But I had a great time. You're an electric figure on the internet. The hot cast is something that doesn't get talked about enough, your podcast. Do you still do that? I don't really see updates pop up that much.

That's my problem, man. You know, like it's consistency and I'm terrible with consistency. My problem is booking guests. I don't have a team of 38 people around me to to reach out and to get people to book book these guys for me so maybe i do maybe i need to find a crew i honestly i i struggle coming up with suggestions in my own head of who i want to reach out to so i struggle with that and by the way zito's doing no booking so count him off the list a lot of the guys in here but i'll come in i'll be like hey who

is somebody would be a good guest because i feel like they would know better and then ty here put together a list and i've been scared to reach out to a lot of them to be honest because all the good guests are people that because you're taking a big risk you're asking them call on your show and then when they say no it's hard not to just hate them forever you know what i mean like i don't want to hate everybody forever i guess i. I mean, I've had people. Is it better if they just say no, or is it better if they just ghost you, and they go dark and never respond? Or maybe respond once.

Yeah, it sounds cool, man. And then you hit them back, and you're like, hey, yeah, let's work out a day in time. And then nothing. You never hear from them. Has that happened with you? Oh, yeah. Who?

I don't. Too many to count. I don't know. I mean, I feel like I can't even think of – Somebody ghosted EJ Hawks? Yeah, I've reached out to a lot of – I've had some people where you – they ghost me for eight months, and then they get back to me like,

Hey, man, yeah, we're going to do that podcast. Let's do that. I would never ghost EJ Hawks. I need guest suggestions, honestly. If you or any of your team thinks any good, there'll be good people for me to talk to. Honestly, let me know because that's,

I'm in a real drought right now. How about Pac-Man Jones? Would you enjoy talking to Pac-Man Jones? Absolutely. I was on his team for a year. Pac-Man's the best. Oh, okay.

So this, I don't know if this will make the final cut or not. We'll kind of, we'll mark this and see if we're not. This is something I do want to talk to you about. Pac-Man Jones wants to do a podcast. I think you and him doing a podcast together would be fucking electric.

If we were co-hosts. Well, Pac still lives in Cincinnati, doesn't he? Yeah, he lives in Cincinnati full-time. I think we could set up the tech for you two just to beam to each other. Oh, wow. That'd be amazing. I would love it.

I think so, too. I sat behind Pac That'd be amazing. I would love it. I think so too. I sat behind Pac in our team meeting. I love that dude. I think you would be a good host for him too, right? So I don't think Pac-Man can host the show, but boy, I think if somebody sets him up for some things to say and have good conversation, he's a lot more intriguing figure

than I could have ever imagined. We had him at our show in Cincinnati. We did a live show there. He was our guest. A, the crowd went nuts for him they went crazy for him we mentioned the name chris collinsworth as potentially being a guest the whole place booed i've never heard a place boo that loud but they went nuts for pac-man and he's obviously entertaining and his stories would be incredible and we're trying to figure out a good co-host for him and i literally thought to myself i was like aj somebody i think zito said A.J. Hawk, and I was like,

fucking A.J. Hawk would be great. So I think that could be a potential gold mine there for you. I don't know if it's going to make it, but, you know, honestly, if Pac would want to do it, think of me and Pac, and I just kind of talked him through the games. We put it out on Mondays, and I asked him about the big things that happened throughout the Sundays, and we kind of go back and forth because, you know, Pac can talk for days and he's super smart too,

especially when it comes to football. Football smart. He's unreal. I mean, he played until he was like 50 years old at corner. I mean, that is not an easy thing. You've got to be very intelligent out there to play corner. Yeah, and he is vicious every day in practice. Whenever he was going, man,

Pat would compete harder than anybody and try to fight any single person on the field. You know why? Why? His upbringing is the most, at the Cincinnati show, I try to keep it light as possible, live, but some things you just have to ask about.

And the way he talked about where he grew up, he called it a terror zone. He said it was a terror zone where I grew up. If you didn't fight, you're basically a dead man and then they hand me 19 million dollars or something like that and tell me i can't fight anymore he said that i didn't do great with that he said i didn't do great with that it was interesting to kind of hear him open up about it all including strip clubs even talk about strip clubs it was it was very interesting to hear him talk about it all because i think he hindsight

he wouldn't change anything because it's kind of made him the man he is today but i think he's recognized that he went through some troubles with a lot of that shit yeah but his pack is he's smart enough to to realize why he is the way he is like you said he he sees like no i remember talking to him at times like no it's just different man like where you you're from where i'm from it's different like sometimes he's like sometimes i i just freak out or I just explode. And then eventually he comes back to life. He comes back and realizes what's going on.

But yeah, I respect his... He lives by a code where you don't cross him, you don't mess with him or any of his family or disrespect anybody. And I really respect that code that he lives by every day. It's really nice to be on the good side of Pac-Man, the way i'm happy that i'm there i'm really happy that i'm there it's cool that it happened too it's just kind of because we had wvu connection and then

we played since he every preseason so i got to talk to him he's i think you two would make a hell of a team honestly i think it'd be a great show let me know man it'd be fun all right we'll try to set up to say there is. Let's lock that in. Okay, cool. What else is going on in your life? What are you doing this fall, AJ Hawk? Last year, you were doing games. I got a chance to call a game with you.

People were saying that you and I were possibly the greatest broadcast team in the history of football. So that's kind of cool. Are you calling more games? Are you doing the high school football thing that you did with adidas he did this high school football thing with adidas where it was four and a half hours straight no commercials just it was a joe rogan podcast while watching a high school football game yeah he'd have a little five minute piece they'd run at halftime uh yeah i think i'm gonna do maybe five games for them this year for adidas. Friday Night Stripes, they call it.

Oh, I get it. Their production is ridiculous. Do you enjoy calling games? Yeah, I do that. I love doing games. I'll be doing some college games too. So I love it. That's my number one thing I always want to do is games.

And then serious radio and podcasting all throughout. I make my own schedule there, and then the games are the one thing that I get locked into for the fall. We're just getting started. This thing gets going and gets going in a hurry. You're going to absolutely love it. Another thing you're going to love is longer-lasting sex.

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I think you made fun of it. I think. Well, what's the question? I'm fucking getting to it, right? I just burped up a bang. I drink these bang energy drinks, and they kind of cook inside of me. I was trying to get it out there.

Is Endgame being like a number one analyst on a football game? No, I think I made fun of the question and said it was a stupid question. It's not a stupid question. I shouldn't say that. That was mean, Pat. I apologize. Jesus Christ. What is a number one analyst? I don't know what that means. Like Tony Romo right now is a number one analyst. Chris christ what is the number one analyst i don't know what that

means like tony romo right now is the number one analyst chris collinsworth is the number one analyst uh booger mcfarland is the number one analyst uh let's see thursday football troy acheman is the number one analyst yes they're the number one crew for their yes yeah of course uh no i don't have like a goal like that yeah it'd be awesome i don't know if that would ever happen someday, but I like doing games, and if I eventually get some big games or get on different networks, cool.

That'd be fine with me, but I'm cool getting reps and trying to get better at it, but there's no end game. It's not like, oh, I want to call it the Super Bowl one day. Have you ever seen that thing? Troy Aikman was real honest.

He called it the Super Bowl however many years ago, and afterwards, he felt kind of weird and a little bit depressed and awkward. People were like, oh, what's going on? What's wrong, man? That's the biggest moment of your life.

He's like, no, I played it. I won three rings. I was just talking about the game. It's not that big a deal. He felt weird about it, and that's kind of how I'm like, no, I like doing it. I like being there no matter what the level, what the game is like. I don't have to be doing a giant game that the whole world sees. Is it tough after you win a Super Bowl

and be crowned the best in the world at something to find that pleasure in anything else? No, but no, not at all. I mean, I bet you get tough. Sure, certainly, with Troy Aikman, right? It was like, Troy Aikman was like, no, I won three Super Bowls. It's kind of hard

to match that feeling, I'd assume. It has to be. Yeah, you can't match that. I mean, what about you? When you kick off in the Super Bowl, can you match

what you felt like right before you made that kick? No, you can't. You honestly cannot. I mean, you can't have that feeling. Now, granted, I don't know if I can match the fucking,

the amount of misery that was in that locker room after we lost, too. I don't know if you can match that, either. No, you can't. That's the beautiful thing about it that's why when you win it's so great that's like when you go and do these live tours and you sell out it's got to feel pretty good it does actually it does feel pretty good we got like 27 straight right now at this point sellouts to start a career that's not bad not bad it's not bad 6 000 cedar in there too just

dropped that one right in the middle. It's pretty good, AJ. It's really good. Congratulations. You're doing great. It just doesn't feel like you're actually proud of me. I'm dead serious. Pat, you don't understand. Hopefully, it makes you feel good and not weird,

but people ask me about you all the time. No matter where I go, people are like, Hey, man, what's Pat McAfee like? What's Pat McAfee like? And I always tell them, like, Pat's the time. No matter where I go, people are like, hey, man, what's Pat McAfee like? What's Pat McAfee like? And I always tell them, like, Pat's the man. I'm like, Pat's awesome. He's a super nice dude. He's super cool, and he's always like that.

He's not a character. Let's go. I appreciate that. Let's talk about that college football game you and I called. I know. What about that? Yeah, man. That was fucking fun.

It was really fun. And now, hey, a little fact, the old Texas Tech coach is now the Arizona Cardinals head coach after he got booted the next day. That's what happens, though. You and me call a college game, good things happen to people. You know what I mean? Guy automatically, we call one game,

we sat on one phone call with him. I sat on one phone call with this guy, all of a sudden he's a fucking NFL coach now. People were talking about Sean McVayigh rub what are you talking about aj and i call one game this guy has put him over so hard he loses and we put him in the nfl that's nice of us he deserves to pay us a little percentage baylor's head coach is getting interviewed too yeah baylor's like a matt rule or whatever he's probably gonna get a job here in the next like month or so if he wants it and yeah he's interviewed for head coaching jobs like every offseason it seems like. So yeah, those guys, they owe it all to you. Us. Us. Sorry. Oh, and Sean. Play-by-play guy? Sean.

Sean, right? From New Orleans. Yep. You can tell in the first quarter, they didn't really know what to do with me. Sean guy was talking a lot. I've never heard a play-by-play guy talk that much. Led through the entire thing. And then it just kind of started loosening up as the game went on. And the thing that I liked about calling the game with you is I could spar with you a little bit. Like I could make fun of you. You'd make fun of me back.

When I did the NFL game with Robert Smith, boy, I looked like a bad guy. I'd make fun of Robert and he wouldn't say anything back. It's like, oh, I'm a terrible fucking guy. I am a terrible human being. That's not good get it yeah i mean well yeah irrefutable i know you came back that's so much fun well i think i do that i understand when you like i know robert smith well robert's like he's a professional oh yeah that he's a professional and i i feel like i deal in sarcasm a good amount and you understand that so i can understand when you come back at me with that kind of stuff he was he was an incredibly nice human

being i mean talking to him the night before i knew nothing about this guy going in i had no idea my dad was like oh i like him i'm like i honestly have no idea who this guy is night before start talking to him gentleman nice guy funny guy has like a fitness like business like around fitness i'm like okay you and me very different human beings but i think this is going to be a day of good conversation and when we got on the air and i started letting bullets fly i was like oh my god not with robert smith pat not with robert smith just the way it goes um who do you think is going to super bowl next year oh gosh i don't know do you think grunt comes win the Super Bowl next year? Oh, gosh. I don't know. Patriots?

Do you think Gronk comes back like week 12 and then the Patriots make a run? Did you ever have any – what's the word for reoccurring injuries? Did you have any – Lingering or reoccurring injuries? I like reoccurring. Did you have any reoccurring injuries in your body that are very important to the game of football for instance your back if you're a tight end is a pretty important thing did you have any lingering or reoccurring injuries that happened to you

uh no i mean i i haven't had much cartilage in my right knee since i was probably 19 i mean that's the main thing i've dealt with my whole life, really. Me too, by the way. I think my knees were a reoccurring injury for me, and kicking, that's a pretty big deal. But for Gronk, that back of his, man, I think he has a lot going on off the field. If he comes back, I don't think it's this year. Really? I think if something goes on this year where,

not that he ever would because he has such a massive fan base and he's so big platform-wise. Let's say it doesn't have his expected success he has off the field, which I'm not saying he's going to. I'm just saying if this does happen, I think then there's a chance where there's a conversation about,

hey, maybe we get back out there and catch some footballs again. I think maybe. I think he's going to go for it this year, though. I think he's going to really go for something. But what's he going to go for? Is he going to be the rock? Do you think he's that kind of guy?

I think what? Marky Mark and all of them came out basically and said they're going to put him in a couple movies. I think they said they were going to do that. Sylvester Stallone maybe even said it. People came out and they were like, yeah, we're going to put him in movies. And Gronk, I would assume,

because everybody talks about how high his football IQ is and everything like that, I'm going to assume he can learn how to act pretty quickly. I don't know how he'll be. He might be typecasted like all those other guys. But I think he's going to be in a couple movies. Oh, I'm sure he will, yeah. I mean, everybody knows who Gronk is. Everybody loves Gronk.

They can't get enough of him. Do you love Gronk? I do. I think it's great. I love his whole – my favorite thing, if you watch when he got drafted, his whole family. They can't get enough of him. Do you love Gronk? I do. I think it's great. I love his whole – my favorite thing, if you watch when he got drafted, his whole family. You see when they got on the stage and they started jumping and humping each other?

What was that? Yeah. It sounded like that was a little bit of a shot maybe at the Gronk family right there, the humps. No, I thought it was awesome. He gets drafted by the Patriots and all these meatheads just get on stage and start jumping around in a circle. It was amazing for the NFL.

I wish there was more families like that. His brother Chris played for the Colts for a little bit. He was on the punt team for me. He now created the ice shaker. They're on the shark tank, I believe. I have one sitting right outside. They're very nice. He's in the Gronk family.

He's a meathead, but I believe he's supposed to be the business guy, you know what I mean, of the family. If you're to cast the Gronk family into roles, I think that's his move. He was an incredibly nice human being. And I think the Gronks are just these nice meatheads that just have a hilarious life. I think that's a great way to describe them. Yeah, they just like to have a great time.

I saw Gronk at the Derby a few times, and the dude just can't help himself. He's like my six-year-old son. I can't hear you. What happened? Cut it out. Well, just a little name drop. You wanted me to ask about going to the Derby with Aaron Rodgers every year. No, absolutely not.

I mean, you mentioned something. I have to ask about it. That's just kind of what happened right there. No, I'm talking about Gronk, the person that you're asking me about. And you're trying to say I took shots at him, which I never did. You said they were humping each other. You said they were humping each other up there. Jumping at it.

Yeah, because they're excited. I thought it was great. They're not allowed to do that? No, they are. I'm just saying you said that the Gronks are all humping each other. That's what you said. I mean, I'm not putting words in there. Air humping?

Whatever. Okay. I don't know. I'm not putting words in there. Air humping? Whatever. Okay. But when I have seen Gronk at a couple of public things, the dude just can't help himself.

There's a little bit of music playing, and Gronk's just sitting there dancing. And he's a giant human being, so it garners a lot of attention. But I just think it's great how free he is. I think he's going to really go for the movie world, though. I don't think he's going to come back. Now, granted, do I think his back is a part of that of that yeah but i also think he's going to see some quick success

off the field that's not going to really want to take him back away from that like because once you see that you can make a massive amount of money off the field without having to you know go through their treatment and shit every morning at like 6 a.m i think that is that is a temptation but also i didn't win like 400 super bowls with the team and was was arguably the most game-changing tight end of all time so i'm just thinking out loud here how i think it's gonna go but i don't think so you think the patriots won again though huh i mean it's hard to count them out it's like trying to count out alabama and clemson college football i will get into that i mean alabama kirk herbbstreit told me he thinks Alabama is going to come back

and just run the table because they were embarrassed last year. I mean, he told you that. Was he on the show? Yeah, Kirk Herbstreit's a guest of the show, another Ohio State legend like yourself. He's a friend of the show. Nice. Centerville High School legend.

He's the same high school as me. Let's go Elks. Go Elks, yeah. My holder in college, also Centerville High School. Yeah, you told me that. Yeah. Yeah, great holder. You remember telling me that?

Yeah, yeah. I remember every conversation you and I have because it's locked in my memory that I get a chance to talk to A.J. Hawk. Yeah, I'm sure. How valuable, Pat, is your holder? Is that the most unsung hero job on the planet? Yes. You can make a kick and miss a kick

for a kicker honestly you actually can and you never get heard about unless your kicker is very good and that kicker misses a kick because normally it's your fault other than that it's just like yo get the fuck out of the way 1.25 seconds from the time the ball is snapped to the time is kicked so as a holder everything's got to happen very quick i think it helped me in my professional baseball though yep because i could see the ball coming out of the pitcher's hand it was like a 93 mile an hour fastball but for me the amount of quickness that you got to have whenever you're holding i could see the ball because you're trying to find the fucking laces on the football so it's almost the same thing for baseball i think it has helped me but uh yeah it's a very it's an unsung hero you're

not really doing much except for sitting in there and possibly fucking it up. Yeah, it makes sense. My brother was a quarterback, and he always held. He held for Mike Nugent, who was a high school kicker. And he was, like, my brother took a ton of pride in that. He would catch a billion snaps and be so compact. And he always would. I still remember when I was talking to you about it, and I see you kick or whatever, it makes me think of my brother when I was in high school.

And he's like, no, this is no joke. Like, I want to be awesome at this. this well you can really affect a lot of things I mean you can really my um my holder from Centerville was a good friend of mine old cash and he got uh caught up in a fight that ended up with a couple charges being pressed on a group of humans a group of humans fought another group of humans at a nightclub in Morgantown. One of the humans on the opposing team lost the fight. And they pressed charges on the group that they thought was in the fight. So he got suspended my senior year.

So he couldn't hold for like a certain amount of games. And it was a nightmare. It was very much a nightmare situation. It's like, okay, I missed a couple kicks last year got death threats now i'm trying to redeem myself i got a whole new holder this is great all because my holder was potentially involved in a fight so i go to court to support him right whenever he goes to court he's my guy the dude pressing charges up there in a witness stand points at everybody he remembers from the fight and just like skips over my holder and goes to somebody else.

I'm like, my motherfucker, I lost this guy for five weeks because you fucking thought. And he got Chargers dropped, and he was back holding the next day. But that's a very important job. It's a huge thing. If you lean it just an inch the wrong way, it's a guaranteed miss. Really? Yeah. And if you miss the spot by like an inch and a half, fucking guaranteed miss.

You might as well just lock it in. Well, I just saw today online, I think Steve Weatherford retweeted from an NFC Championship game. Was it Tynes who drained a kick? Yeah. It was a bad snap, and he got it and got it down in time. Yeah, that's a big deal. It's a big deal. Steve Weatherford, friend of your show, right?

Steve Weatherford is a friend of the show. Whenever he was on the show, he couldn't complete the show without working out during the show. Started squatting the table. Started doing wall sits. Started doing push-ups during the conversation. It was outrageous. And there's a reason he looks the way he does and I look the way I do.

You look good. You look good. How do you maintain looking good all the time with your 45 kids and your hectic schedule? I'm surprised you can't hear him right now. What do you mean? I get up in the morning and I work out. Yeah, of course I do, bro. Yeah, bro. I wake up and eat

protein, bro. And then I take my fucking my pills and then I work out. What time do you wake up? Do you have a schedule? Like one of those crazy routines like Marky Mark Wahlberg who's up at 4 a.m., plays a round of nine before 445, studies his Bible, talks to his kids, works out four times, and then it's 9 a.m. and he has breakfast? I think he said he wakes up at 2.30, which if any – okay. Nothing against Marky Mark, but I don't believe you at all.

but I don't believe you at all. And the best part about Marky Mark's schedule, he said, like, wake up 2.30, Bible time, morning pages, workout at 3, play golf, golf practice, 9.30, family time. And I'm thinking, okay, Marky Mark, if it's June or July, maybe, if it's the rest of the year, 9.30 is not family time, bud.

Your kids get on the school bus way before. Oh! A.J. Hawk poking holes in the story. Yeah. Maybe he meant family time with he and his wife when they really can connect. Connect link. That's a good thing. I think it's incredible you think Mark Wahlberg's kids ride a school bus.

A homeschool bus. Or like helicopters. Good point. Great point. Hey, Marky Marks have been doing it a long time. What is your schedule, though? Do you have a routine? Nothing like a set.

I mean, I get up like at 5.30 and work out because my kids get up at like 7.15, about 7.30. So I want to be finishing up before they try to come down and work out with me. Do you hit the snooze button? I have, yeah. try to come down and work out with me do you hit snooze button uh i have yeah coach rich rodriguez told uh my class our freshman year that tiger woods never hit the snooze button and that's why he was champion so he'd like us to eliminate that from our our schedule and i just i just couldn't do it honestly did he talk to his ex-wife ewanwan Woods, at the time? Who would know? Who knows that?

There's 40 people. Oh, yikes. Zito just said there's a lot of people that know that, actually. I guess. We don't know. Stories. We don't know. Do we know if they spent the night or not? We're not sure.

True. You're 100% true. I would assume a guy that doesn't hit the snooze button doesn't let anybody sleep next to him either. I would assume. I wouldn't. No chance. So you hit the snooze button every once in a while.

How many times? I have. No chance. So you hit the snooze button every once in a while. How many times? I have. No, just usually once. I try to reset the clock, reset my iPhone timer like 12, 14 minutes later. Yeah, why don't they give you two options there? The nine-minute option for the snooze, I'm sick of. I would like 15 minutes, bro. Maybe 29.

Maybe give me a – there should be an option for that. 29. Yeah, because 30 minutes is supposed to be like. Maybe give me, there should be an option for that. 29. Yeah, because 30 minutes is supposed to be like the perfect power nap, right? Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Okay. Do you ever put your phone with your alarm like 10 feet from your bed so you're forced to get up and go get it? I've heard this theory. I've heard people do this.

There's no way I could do that, though. I would like my phone to be right next to me. Yeah, I would never do it either. But you know what I got? I got a thing that like, I guess deaf people use. It's a Bluetooth vibrating alarm clock and you put it behind your pillow. And I used this thing for two years. And the problem was I, it would start buzzing behind my head and I wouldn't wake up like five, 15, five 30 in the morning. My wife will lose her mind because it was, I got it to try to not wake her up because I didn't want my alarm going off and waking her up early.

So I had this thing for like a year and a half and I actually just, just got rid of it and went back to just the old rest in peace of the deaf thing. Rest in peace of the deaf alarm. Yeah, I still have it. I still have, I can send, send you guys one if you deaf alarm. Yeah, I still have it. I still have it. I can send you guys one if you need it.

No, I move too much with my pillow, too. That thing would be knocked off the bed before the night. That was my problem. It would go off, and we wouldn't know where it is. Like, I would just. That's, I think that was the final nail in the coffin. I'd be downstairs working out, and I guess I didn't realize I didn't shut it off. And my wife said, or you can hit snooze

on that thing and all of a sudden it would be vibrating and buzzing super loud like at the foot of the bed or on the ground or something she would lose her mind and want to break it now that's Brady Quinn's sister yeah I think it's amazing because you guys were one of the first uh celebrity football couples in uh the history of the game nope can't really say that you were you're one of the first celebrity football couples first off you could football players not celebrities my wife wants nothing to do with the public any kind of public life i know she doesn't i understand that i respect it a lot so you can't say anything like no i was forced to watch story. I was forced to watch your love story. It was shoved down my throat. Was it not?

Yeah, she had the split jersey on. Yeah, she had the split. It was shoved down our throat, AJ. I mean, not on purpose. I'm not saying it's your fault, but I'm just saying you guys were the first real celebrity football couple. Yeah, we were naive to think, I guess. Some guy gave her a jersey and like okay

cool wear it i don't know i've known you for two months and so she wore it and then they showed her on camera she didn't make that no some dude gave it to her trying to get some marketing pub or something oh my god i feel lied to i feel lied to i don't think that we didn't she didn't do anything to like give his company any publicity issue we didn't but he just gave it to her i thought she was sewing that thing together i thought she stapled it together like oh my heart is torn between my brother and my lover you know i thought that whole thing was happening and here i was being force fed the story was all just a bunch of bullshit if she would have put that thing together herself which she would never waste the

time to do i think halfway into it she would realize put that thing together herself, which she would never waste the time to do, I think halfway into it, she would realize what am I doing? No, I'm not going to wear this dumb hat. So being the first celebrity football couple, did it have a lot of pressures? Go on.

Wasn't it Mark Gastineau for the Jets? A big old dude back in the day. He went out with some famous lady. That's a true football power couple. I don't know. So you've been asked this question before. That's why you had to do some research and find out another couple before you guys? No, I've never been asked this question before.

That's why you're a great interviewer. That means a lot. Hey, I just drank some more of that. I'm sorry. How much are they paying you? never been asked this question before that's why you're a great interviewer that means a lot hey i just drank some more of that i'm sorry how about how much are they paying you might want to not drink that anymore none they pay me nothing i even slid into the guy jack is his name i slid into his dms he left me on scene he left me on scene didn't even respond didn't even see a little bubble pop up that he was potentially responding he clicked on it looked at it went right back to his life would you say like hey this is look at my giant following all these people i have a i can

want you at least send me some free product and he just said nothing yeah it's probably the exact might be the exact message i sent yeah that might be does that hurt does that hurt your feelings at all yeah this goes back to asking people to come on the podcast and i'm saying no instead of being rejected he's never asked you never get rejected it's a happier life that way i i guess yeah i'm torn with that because like i've thought about people i want to reach out to i can't get contact info for him and i talked to my brother they're like hey man just go like say something to him on twitter and that's when it gets weird when you're like okay i'm gonna publicly ask this dude like like right before he went on this crazy run, Brooks Koepka, I reached out to him, nothing. Really?

Zero. He's blowing up, too, by the way. His answer of he only practices for real tournaments, he doesn't even practice. He's the man. When you guys see me golf on TV, that's when I golf. What a hilarious answer. Hey, when you see me punt a ball on fucking primetime, that's the only time I punt a ball.

Don't ask me any more questions. Don't you think, did you listen to him on PMT? Yeah, I heard clips. I didn't listen to the whole thing. I listened to it all, and I feel like that interview alone changed the whole narrative, the whole perception of Brooks Koepka because before that, people were like, man, this guy's kind of boring. He doesn't talk much or whatever because he doesn't care about anything

but just winning majors and then going out and drinking a beer and getting on his boat. So in that interview with those guys, they really opened him up, and you saw how this dude is so unlike the other golfers. Most pro golfers are head cases, and they paralyze themselves. Brooks is like, no, I've never really thought about a shot ever. He's great. Well, I think that's what podcasts do. Part of my my take in specific they do a great job of humanizing people

but i think that's what podcasts do because it's a relaxed setting you know you get to really learn about somebody i'd assume and i'd argue that i had no idea about aj hawk until i did a podcast with you in a relaxed setting because you feel like you're actually getting to know the real human as opposed to the fake person who's been doctored up for television giving answers as if it's an nfl combine every time they talk to a media yeah you're exactly right and if someone if you're hosting a podcast and you have all these hundreds thousands of episodes that's the person that's you that person is like you're gonna know who that host is and if not that person is. You're going to know who that host is, and if not, that person's an absolute sociopath. They can legit put on an ad for a thousand episodes

for thousands of hours. Yeah, he's a little arrogant. He's been on the air for five hours for 30 years. That was said about Mike Francesa by not his agent, his business partner. See, did you know about Francesa before the internet? Back after this no i knew nothing about him but i'll tell you what i'm getting a painting of him to put in the studio

i fucking love the guy i love that man honestly i only know francesa from clips that people call in to mess with him i never listened to a show i don't know what he does what his show is but i've only seen youtube clips and there's a serious show I listen to and they, when someone messes with Francesca, they play it on their show and they love it. He's incredible. He gives less fucks than any human I've ever seen in my entire life and he's successfully

trailblazed an entire new career for humans in sports talk radio. He's like one of the first sports talk radio guys and he'll just drink a diet coke while somebody's trying to troll him, go ahead and bury them, and then hang up on them. It's just what a life this guy needs. Put that on repeat for five hours.

He's falling asleep on air. It's awesome. Multiple times. I love him. He gets caught eating ice cream on camera and tries to cover it up so his wife doesn't see it. He's drank regular coke before where he ripped the plastic off of it but he left the red coke cap on top of this serious show i listen to they

dive deep into all this stuff because his wife doesn't want him drinking regular coke like he'll try to fool him when he's being simulcast on tv and he always gets caught he has his own app uh mike's on mike's on is his own app i'm i. I didn't know about him until like less than probably six months ago. He just showed up on my timeline. Somebody retweeted that back after this, and I clicked on it, and I was like, well, what the fuck is this? And then I just went all the way in, and I came in, and Ty Schmidt, the producer of this show,

he's been a fan for a long time. And I saw real excitement in my producer's eyes whenever he saw that i learned about who mike francesa was i never said that i never said that the dude's unbelievable honestly and we're just getting started somehow there is still a lot of time left to dive into even more subjects that you're going to want to hear we have a lot of clippable things that have happened in this episode. Check out our YouTube as well to watch this. We made them

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Box of Awesome and it showed up out of nowhere. Huge thanks to bespoke post for being a sponsor of this show and also their box of awesome that makes me feel awesome once a month who's your favorite current football player other than aaron rogers oh i've never i don't know if i've thought about i mean i i like baker macy a lot i do not like him hey i like him a lot too and i think i think he's really i think he's i think he's it i do i i think is this isn't going to be just like a a bus type situation i think he's really going to do well yeah he seems to be he has like a perfect mixture of being a stud player on the field also being he's already like the team leader in Cleveland.

Everyone loves him in Cleveland. He has that attitude and doesn't care. And he's competitive. And I liked that. He talks, he doesn't give cliches. Like, I hope he stays Baker.

I hope they don't try to polish him up. Someone there, Cleveland. I don't think the front office cares to do it, but I hope like people around him, don't try to like polish him up. Just let him be who he is. I agree.

Because it's, it's one of those things like him and colin cowherd going back and forth is something you would never see a starting elite quarterback do ever they would pay him no aaron told me he kills people with indifference which was one of the best lines i've ever heard i didn't know what indifference meant at the time when he said it i had to look it up and then later it made more sense to me but he he said i kill him with indifference because all this aaron's one of the most scrutinized, not only players, but human beings probably on earth.

Everything he does gets scrutinized. And every time I've been around him, he's been nothing but cool to me. So I hate the way everything kind of gets taken out of proportion with him or out of context with him. And he says I kill him with indifference. And I think a lot of starting quarterbacks, because you're the face of a franchise do that but baker having enough swag to not only engage but also win the engagements right he's not like losing the the interactions he's winning the interactions

and then he's performing well that's not easy to do i don't think i i don't think it's easy to be a methodical creature on the football field which he isn't but you have to have some sort of high cerebral type mindset to play quarterback in the nfl and then also the ability to troll with trolls i mean that's not something that's not something that's easy to do that's not something that's easy to do i really like i'm a big baker fan yeah of course i am too i love that kill him with indifference line that's's perfect. I knew about, like, okay, see, this would be an example for indifference for you. I Googled it. I know what it means. How about the listeners?

Yeah, the people that are listening. I'm saying to have it relate. So let's say your girlfriend, fiance, I'm sorry. Thank you. Hawaii gun gauge helicopter whole thing. I saw it go. Oh, man. Sorry about it. Sorry about it.

Sorry about it, guys. We landed helicopters right below waterfalls proposing to get a professional photographer for that with a helicopter that probably cost $8,000 every half hour to fly and land at a waterfall that you had to get special clearance for. I'm sure there was no other tourists around, so good on you, as the Aussies say. Excuse me. I mean, that was a pretty exact price if you've done this obviously so no I have not but I have

a cousin who's a pilot so I have an idea of how it goes but so did you hold on did you ask your cousin when you saw my pictures what this motherfucker he did he did anyways I'll go back like so like I told you earlier in the show, I tell people you're a great guy. I think the world of you. But do you really think that I think that much of you? I think you did. Go ahead. No, I guess.

But no, so let's say you're a fiancé now. Let's say you had an old girlfriend in the past, and your fian your fiance comes up you and she said oh what about your old your old girl tiffany don't you hate tiffany so bad like you hate her she's horrible and if you say like yeah i hate that girl i hate that bitch she's terrible she's the worst i would be worried if i was your your fiance because you have like feelings one way or the other no the ultimate is to say no honestly i'm completely indifferent towards her like i don't care one way or the other happy sad like it literally it

never crossed my mind it doesn't mean anything to me that in i think that's truly like yeah it shows you how powerful like that can be like if you're a media personality the worst thing you can be is for people to feel indifferent towards you yeah because it means that you're giving no power to person said, said person. It's like that's, I think, Aaron Rodgers when he says, kill him with indifference, and he just shows zero emotion either way, one way or the other, even though he might feel a certain way. Showing nothing, I think, kills the person who said it more than anything else, right?

Yeah, because a lot of people just want a reaction one way or the other, and, oh, you're going to prove my haters wrong. Like, no, man, like, come on. Like, how how about i think i've told you this how about you prove people right like you prove the people that are in your corner prove them right you don't have to prove everybody wrong like it's a it's a losing battle like eventually you're gonna have a heart attack man trying to prove everybody wrong well hopefully you don't have that many people saying you're gonna be not gonna be shit i mean jesus some people do not you. Everybody in this room thinks you're going to be the number one analyst. Isn't that what we said?

Yeah. We've been saying that the whole time. Prove us right, AJ. Hey. Thanks, guys. Hey, we're on your side here. I appreciate it. That's why I like coming to the show.

Aaron Rodgers, coolest dude you ever played with? Yeah, I'd say so. I mean, for being as good as he is on the field and how he is in like pressure situations in football and then in life how weird he is yeah i'd say for sure going back to that baker's thing it's hot it's a it's a very difficult task to have the same brain that is cerebral and all that stuff and also be able to be relatable and i think now aaron aaron i'm not sure the tv views him as a relatable individual because i don't think he really opens up that much and does that much but when we meet him he just seems like one of the guys it's a very i don't know how you

can be that good at something and be one of the guys you know what i mean like peyton manning could have a beer with him he was an incredible quarterback but you knew you were dealing with a robot right like this guy is a robot this dude works harder than i do he's smarter than i am he's wealthier than i am because you do all these things aaron rogers is all of those things but when you're talking to him it feels like you're just talking to like a bro like yeah what's up bro yeah that's you're exactly right that's super hard to do like when you reach that level of success in the elite performer guaranteed Hall of Famer, all this stuff, everyone knows who he is. To be relatable, it's got to be pretty difficult.

If you have a bunch of ball washers around you and a bunch of yes men, that makes it really, really difficult too. So you've got to have some real friends around you that aren't scared to tell you the truth. Just for future reference, Aaron, if you're listening, I'd love to be a ball washer, bro. Let me have a look. love to be a ball washer, bro. I would be a ball washer. I think you're already considered

one. All right. Well, it sounds like this show's over. No, if you had to... No, I'm sure I'm considered Aaron Ball. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course, yeah. Because I have to go on... You know if all these dumb articles come out every once in a while and they say all this strife between McCarthy and Aaron.

It seems like Cal Heard or different shows try to call me and want me to call in and comment about it. And I've always stuck with Aaron's side and been honest with people and just let them know. So I'm sure I'm easily considered an Aaron Ball washer, but I tell them I'm biased and I've known him for a long, long time. But you're also in the locker room and in the team there, so you're a pretty good source to hear from,

which not everybody wants to hear from. No, and a lot of times people, there's some guys that make a living off of bashing players that they played with. Not some guys. It seems like that particular venue of former athlete is growing. Yeah, it sucks. Isn't that weird? I don't know if i could do it i mean i want everybody to get rich so if that's how you're gonna get rich do what you got to do

but it would be tough for me to sleep if i just buried my former teammates and buried football players it'd be hard it was true like i guess if i guess it in their mind it's true whatever whatever however they experience a certain situation it's good to be honest. I like when you see former players talk about coaches maybe and they give a little behind-the-scenes stuff and say whatever. That's cool, but if that's all you do, if you're only brought on to bash one or two superstars, that would just be difficult.

I don't know. It would be tough. I've sat in those production rooms, though, where they say, like, what's your thoughts on this? What's your thoughts on this? What's your thoughts on this? What's your thoughts on this? Okay, cool. You two are going to go up there and battle, basically.

It's almost like they want that type of stuff, you know, which could potentially be Frances' fault. The guy that we love, but he's the OG of it, so he gets a pass. Why don't you ever do studio shows? You don't like them? I've done a few over the years. They're not my thing, man.

I think I've told you that. A lot of guys that I've played with, like, that's their goal is they don't want to do games. They want to do studio stuff. And they want to do, like, a reoccurring thing. And you argue back and forth about topics. And I do a lot of radio. So I'm going back and forth with co-hosts. But not like that.

It's, like, more long form. Like, I can't do the little two-minute, three-minute segments of why I feel a certain way, and I can't fake an opinion. I really, really struggle taking a side when there's a lot of things I don't care about. Hey, my indifference has hurt me on some of those shows, like in those pre-production meetings. How do you feel about it? I don't know, man, if that's what they want to do. How do you feel about it? I hate it. How do you feel about it? I don't know, man. If that's what they want to do. How do you feel about it? I hate it. How do you feel? I love it. Perfect. You two would talk.

Pat, sit in the fucking green room for another 30 minutes. That's me. Yeah, that's my issue. There's so many things. One thing that bugs me when doing some radio now is people wanted to call in and ask about the NFL going from 16 to 18 games and every caller has their own

theory and their whole plan laid out of how they're going to do it when these new bi-weeks all this stuff i'm right by the way you're what i'm right with that oh good okay well and then in the end in college they're talking about going from four to eight teams for the college football playoff and everybody has their whole plan and i'm like man after a while it's just i i don't care. Who cares? If it happens, it happens someday, but I can't do it anymore. I can't do it anymore. 17 games, two bye weeks, two preseason games for actual players, one for bubble players, and that's it.

Lock it in. So does the season start a week early? No, I think it just goes a week later. Yeah, one week later would be okay. I guess it would have to be two weeks later because it's extra game, extra bye week. So, yeah, maybe one week earlier. See, this is what happens when people call into radio shows. And I'm like, first of all, I'm confused three seconds into it because most people don't have a well thought out plan of how they want to do it.

Well, everybody would have a neutral site game. That's why it's 17 instead of 16. Where? Who knows? London? Canada? Packers, Bears. Where do they play?

Either Packers or Bears. I don't think they would. Why would you change a rivalry game? You said, oh, everyone has a neutral site game. So, yeah, okay. So, okay, Packers, Jaguars. Where are they playing? Probably England.

If I had to guess, Jaguars are basically an England team. All right. Two terrible examples examples I guess L.A. Rams where are they playing probably in L.A. it's gonna be hard to take uh that's not neutral yeah but that there's also what we got 13 more games are you gonna keep rolling through all these all right let me let me pull the schedules up no but I do think that the schedule makers would be a lot more difficult of a job obviously figuring that out but i i think it's i think that is this is this is negotiations though

right we want this we want this let's meet in the middle there's never there hasn't been any of that between the nfl and nflpa in a long time i'm not saying whose fault it is or who does this i think the nflpa prepared us players for war going into the CBA instead of negotiations. Right. And I think that might've kind of leaked into the NFL side as well. They're like, okay, we're going to fucking war. Then this is war instead of like, Hey, this is a business where we need each other. Like, Hey, you guys have the billions of dollars. We definitely need you. And you also need us to keep your billions of dollars. So let's actually negotiate as opposed to just going to war so i think both sides can be blamed but in business

there's negotiation they want more games that's going to happen if the people with all the money would like more games and they keep doing let's assume that that's going to happen at some point but now let's figure out a way to make it right for both sides i think that is a i honestly i'll never know if that'll happen because i think there's a bottom line that both sides want to get but i don't know i think that's just a smart answer. It's a meet in the middle. It's not going to happen, though, because the owners have the best lawyers in the world. They're billionaires for a reason. The owners, yes, have all the money. They know these are the only players that can play in the NFL, but they have the leverage because they know the players will not

miss any games. The only leverage players have is if they threaten to sit out games and they don't sign a deal on July 29th like we did back in 2011 or whatever. We had guys that – we've said it a million times. We had dudes taking loans out at 40% interest rates in April and May when we were locked out. I didn't know that. That was happening? You didn't get paid. Yeah, it was happening.

Shane Falco would come in there and play too. We sat out games, you know what I mean? Old Diggs would be throwing a rock for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Scab line fucking, as soon as I could get it, I'm fucking going. Yeah. It is. It's very interesting. But just like the refs, I think if the players could figure out a way

to really negotiate and find a way to leverage, I think just like the replacement refs, people would get sick of the replacement football players to really negotiate and find a way to leverage. I think just like the replacement refs, people would get sick of the replacement football players and the league would drop. So fast. So fast. So fast. Faster than national anthem kneeling ratings dropped.

I think it would drop so fast. And it's just, I don't, but I hate that type of thing. Like, I wish you could just sit in a room and just be like, hey, let's do business. Let's do business. Like, that's how business works. Like, hey, you and I, let's talk to each other. Goodell and Demoree Smith, who I'm not certain is a good negotiator.

I feel like I've read through CBA a couple of times. I've only seen flaws. I don't know about the positives. There's probably positives. But if they could just sit down and just be like, boom, let this out that'd be good but that's not the way the world works and no it's not gonna work that way those guys are billionaires for a reason man they they're gonna want their percentages and they're oh cool you guys you guys can have an extra two weeks of off season cool but we'll take three percent more of the total revenue like that like how it all

works is crazy to me i don't know how it's gonna pan out but they've been saying that oh they've had these like initial negotiations going on right now and they may even get a deal done early. Absolutely not. That is a win for the owners. The players have no... Our only leverage as players when we're there is to sit out games.

So why would you ever get a deal done early? Well, what if they're just being nice to each other? What if it's a... Okay, that's real. Were you a player rep no me neither i fucking i couldn't sit in those meetings i don't what a bunch of bullshit are we really is this a real conversation right now shut the fuck up hey you know the best is too they would you know when the pa would come in and they would do their whatever at the end of the 10-hour day yeah yeah oh yeah and uh our rep at one point was jordy nelson before that mark tauscher and they wanted aaron to be our rep so bad and aaron would he would sit uh yeah i sat next to our team meetings and i would

sit back there like well come on man why don't you run once you run we'll vote everyone to vote for you they all want you to be the rep and like the look of disgust that he would give me. They'd be like, all right, well, hey, who's going to – when we had to vote for new ones, I would try to raise his hand sometimes. He would want to kill me because there's no chance. It was a full – like you had to nominate somebody. Then there was a voting process. Vinatieri nominated me every single year until I stopped going to the meetings.

I stopped going to the meetings the last two years of my career I was like I'm not going to this fucking meeting Nothing happens Just don't leave me in my Madden check in my fucking little cubby That's how they did it though That's how they got you to the meetings So they would bring your check Who wants that money

And then they would show a video of how Back in the day players had to work four jobs And how there was rats in the locker room And then the union came in back in the day players were uh had to work four jobs and how there was rats in the locker room and then the union came in and saved the day and this is why you need the union happy for us congratulations to the union the union would be showing this video and then it would end and everybody would like clap and they'd be like all right we'll do uh some questions and answers uh we'll nominate our reps and then we'll get you that check. We'll get you that Madden check. And then it was just like,

anytime anybody asked a real question, the rest of the room was like, we've been here for fucking 12 hours a day. Okay. Enough with the fucking questions. All right. We just want this check and we want to get out of here. That's real.

Oh yeah. That's exactly how they would go. And they would also say at the time, like gentlemen, the world is ending. The sky is falling. Save your money. Now we are,

you are getting locked out. These selfish owners do not want any part of it. They will lock the door. So save 80% of your income now and be ready. Okay. Well, I'm probably going to need to buy a loan by April or May, so I'm going to go ahead and get about 40% interest rate on that loan, and I'm going to go ahead and survive another year.

People are actually doing that? Yeah, it happened, man. Like, guys are taking giant loans out. That's what people don't realize. You only get paid during the season in the NFL. You get a stipend in the offseason for OTAs and stuff, but it's nothing compared to what your contract is. Man,

I'll never forget after my rookie year, they told me I saved my money. I went back to training camp with basically what I had in college in the bank account. I was pretty excited for that season to start back up. Happy we made the team again, boys. Happy we made the team again. We're going to start from zero again.

That was like when the players won a strike, and I can't remember what it was. It was the early 90s, I think. And then LT was one of the guys who ended up crossing and pretty much ended the strike because he needed money because he ran out of money because he had a drug problem. And he basically broke the strike. Nobody ever talks about those drug problems. Those will get you. We interrupt this conversation for a reading by Zito.

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AJ, I respect your opinion on everything. Hot topic. Aliens, Area 51. Just go. Yep. I'd like to hear it all. Am I storming? You're not. You have a brain. Now let's go back to the others that are storming. Nobody is storming. First off, nobody's

storming. They're not going to happen. It's supposed to happen in September. It's too early now. Why would you give them all this heads up notice? They're not going to get shot because Area 51, who knows what's there. Wright-Patt Air Force Base, we all know that's where the aliens are supposedly stored in Ohio or close to where I grew up. So that's where the aliens

are in the basement down there. Yeah, look it up, Pat. Wright-Patt Air Force Base. Some people say that. Wright-Patt Air Force? Yep. Wright-Patt? The Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. Some people say that. Wright-Patt Air Force? Yep. Wright-Patt? The Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. Like Fairborn, Ohio. Oh. Can I get access to that place?

Nope. But if you want to, that's supposedly where they may have taken some of them, but no, the Area 51 deal, I thought, Pat, you had a great Twitter rant about that, or whatever you said, a little gif, I think, involved with it. Was that today? Yeah, I mean, it made a couple of newspapers, my comment. No big deal.

No big deal, yeah. Hey, shout out to the hipsters that are going to go. Shout out to them. I appreciate what you got to do. But I have an island that I am looking to buy in a couple years, so I can't be dying right now. But I do appreciate their service to the rest of America, just going out there and getting lasered to death while trying to find out if

there's aliens or not. I, you know, I give credit to Rob Lowe had a reality show for a minute and he and his kids went to like the perimeter fence of area 51 and filmed it all. Did you see that? No. Yeah.

I don't, it was made. I probably saw it six, eight months ago. He was like, yeah, they like camped out right outside the perimeter. He doesn't seem like the type of guy that would go either.

I know it was weird. It was a weird show that would go either. I know. It was weird. It was a weird show. You watched it? I watched that episode, yeah. I didn't know it was even happening. And then I'm like, oh, Rob Lowe's got a reality show where they follow him around? I was sitting next to Peyton Manning in the training room. Oh, name drop, go.

When there was a lot of controversy and conversation about whether or not Peyton was going to get cut. It was right before a lot of things were happening. And Rob Lowe put out a tweet that had made it on ESPN and the NFL Network in the training room on TV that said his sources said Peyton was retiring. And I have never seen – I've never seen – he was literally right next to me. And then Jim Irsay replied back with a shot. He took a shot at Rob Lowe. Like Jim Irsay replied with like a shot at Rob Lowe. And they're like old friends. I guess they took a couple big shots at each other. That's the took a shot at Rob Lowe. Jim Irsay replied with a shot at Rob Lowe. They're like old

friends. I guess they took a couple big shots at each other. That's the only way I know Rob Lowe. That is how I know Rob Lowe. Handsome guy that pissed off Peyton Manning. That's in my head. That's all I know. You believe in aliens, though, right? Yeah? I mean, yeah.

You may be an alien. What does that even mean right there? Like a hybrid. You may be an alien. Oh. What does that even mean right there? Like hybrids. You don't like a hybrid. You may be an alien living in Pat's shell. Would I know? Yeah, you would know. But you're saying they live amongst us, and we wouldn't know the difference. Like men in black.

Like sugar water. That's what you think? You think it's like that? That's a good callback like the alien talk i know bob lazar is hot right now his documentary came out or whatever i don't i don't know i've read enough if there are cool like do they want to fight us i don't know i doubt it i don't think they want to kill them with indifference by the kill them with it kill the aliens with indifference yeah this is my problem with kill the aliens with indifference bro yeah this is my problem

yeah this is the thing I feel like the alien talk is so played out I just don't have well that's on me then basic ass digs over there digs said that's on him alright different question

you ever watch Very Cavalry I watched the clips the highlight clips of Jay Cutler on the internet big Jay Cutler fan from that show yeah me too

I've always been a big fan by the way if the media hates you I probably am a fan. That's kind of how it goes. If the media chooses to show you in negative lights instead of positive lights, I always wonder about that person, if they're an awesome person or not, because they had to do something to piss off the media,

which I'm assuming Jay Cutler did early in his career. He pissed off a member of the media, and somebody was like, all right, anytime he says anything negative on the sideline let's get a fucking Close up on that thing let's not show a Single positive thing this guy does because that's What it was we've all seen star players On the sideline anybody that's played in game Has seen star players on the sideline do something

Negative or regrettable but the cameras Don't fucking show it with Jay Cutler He was like the first athlete that every Negative thing he did was shown I mean it Was if he is gonna if he's gonna Cross his arms and look as if he's pouting which i'm assuming a lot of people do we're gonna get a close-up of that and we're gonna go ahead and talk shit about him too while it goes and it only made me wonder about why he was hated by everybody i mean i think it was just his general his attitude that what people didn't whatever i don't know just what he gave off

like his facial expressions, his body language. It's like how people talk about Eli. Same thing. Like we don't really, that's not who they are, but I don't know. He's very indifferent. I love Jay. He was fun to play against. I think he's great on that show.

That's all. I hear people tell me about the show all the time. I don't watch it, but I watch the clips, and I'm a big Cutler fan. He's great. Let's go back to the aliens thing. I had to follow up before the jay cutler let's say the aliens do want to fight who are the four humans you're sending out there pac-man jones is one

for real i'm taking pack because i mean you may injure pac but he'll come get you and your whole family and everybody you've ever talked to. Do you see that guy in the airport trying to fight him as soon as he landed with his Popeye's chicken? Drop that fucking guy. Bad idea, buddy. I would send Pac-Man. I would send Brock. Do they have to be living right now? Yeah.

I mean, because if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. So we do need them to be currently alive. Brock Lesnar, would you send him? No, absolutely not. Whoa, dump that from the show. I don't want Brock Lesnar to think anything negative was said about him on this show. I mean, well, no, just strictly because Brock had like 30 feet of his intestine taken out years ago. That's just not good if you're going to fight aliens.

I didn't know that. 30 feet of intestines? Not feet, but a big chunk of it when he was out for a while. That crazy diverticulitis type thing where it was eating away at him. He had to get all taken out. He was in really bad shape. Less intestines for them to eat, though.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Maybe that's an advantage, a pro for us going against the aliens. Like they're going to know, like, oh, he's got a lot less. Don't even kill him because there's not enough food in there. Did you watch the Lazard documentary? Kind of like World War Z. Yeah. Let's assume that they can see through a human

and see how much intestines he has if they have the ability to create that fucking gravity thing. Okay, so they know Brock. Okay, I'll take Brock because Brock's going to get off the bus first and scare everybody. Yep. So Brock, then Pac is right behind him. Okay. Adam Pac-Man Jones.

Then right after that would probably be Tom Cruise because that guy might be a hybrid. So he can get in tight with these guys. They are saying aliens are shorter. Oh. And Tom Cruise. 5'2". I mean, maybe. He's taller than that, right?

He's like 5'5". Do we know that if he's 5'5"? Yeah, he's like 5'5", 5'6". What's he listed as? 5'5", 5'6". Okay, so he's probably 5'3", 5'4". What a boot to lift. But he's a badass.

5'3 1⁄2". Yeah, he would have dominated Bieber if they actually fought. Did you see Bieber do that roundhouse inside bottle cap challenge leg kick thing? Mm-hmm. That almost made me turn on Tom Cruise. He looked pretty good. The precision of that inside Vans, the Vans shoe that he was wearing with the precision. Did you do it?

Did you do the bottle cap challenge? Yeah, yeah, of course. I saw it. Did you see Steve- Did you do the bottle cap challenge? Yeah, yeah, of course. I saw it. Did you see Steve-O do it with his dong? Yeah. That was my favorite one. Every long snapper in America is doing them now. I get sent them.

With a ball? Probably for a minute. Yeah. I mean, that and then the old faces deal is already played out. Yeah, but I got in there when it was good. I feel good about it. Somebody did it for me, though, so I didn't give up any of my information to the Russians.

Good for you. Yeah, I know. I know that's a big thing now, too. Oh, you people putting your old photos up. The Russians got your whole life in their hands now. Good luck. I'm like, just check their Facebook. How about you?

They're listening. They're like, not the Russians. They have everything. Everything is a microphone in your house. Look at you. So you're a conspiracy theorist. All right, good. So how do you feel're on your they're listening to you like not the russians they hold everything everything is a microphone in your house look at you so you're a conspiracy theorist all right good so how do you feel about bigfoot oh bigfoot's not real no i'm out on bigfoot too sasquatch no i mean come on now very recent out on bigfoot by the way for me it was a big moment very very recent all the way out on bigfoot what turned you well? I was on a runway for 45 minutes. We couldn't get a jetway thing, and we were just sitting there.

And it was recently after I watched the Bob Lazar thing. And I was all the way in on aliens after that, obviously. All the way in. I might have been like 75% in before that, 100% in there. So I had to be all the way out on something else. And it just turned out that my conspiracy hat couldn't handle the Bigfoot conspiracy in there so i had to be some all the way out on something else and it just turned out that my conspiracy hat couldn't handle the bigfoot conspiracy in there as well since i'm all the way in on aliens now i get it so it was a big moment though because i have i mean i have a

sasquatch uh paper mache statue in my front yard two size two size it's like 10 feet tall so i mean i was all the way in on Bigfoot for a long time. Want Bigfoot hunting in Georgia, but I'm all the way out on it now. I mean, yeah, just look at the people that hunt Bigfoot right now. That's all you need. I mean, I went hunting for Bigfoot. I mean, so you're technically. In the past.

Not anymore, though. New me. New me. New Pat. New year. So you don't believe in Big football, you believe in aliens? I mean, I guess if you say I believe in aliens, yeah. I just think the universe and all the other universes out there,

it's so big there's something going on, probably. I agree. We know more about the ocean than we do space, for sure. Absolutely. AJ? We don't know anything about the ocean still, though. Oh, well, let's not go that far. I mean, we know quite a bit.

We just don't have the time right now you're right just know you're wrong just know you are wrong though you're right it's an entire three-hour show i mean i know james cameron went to the bottom of the mariana trench in a little bullet and saw nothing cool so we know a lot there ain't shit down there done there don't need to go back locked it in have you ever seen anybody in a little bubble go to the end of space? Yeah, a couple times Really? What's his name? Everything you're saying is just now all of a sudden getting

A little bubble There is no end of space Oh, great question, great answer Thank you We know where water ends Do we? Yeah, that trench Then it opens up into the kaiju portal.

This is a real touchy subject amongst the room here. I'm sure. I can sense that. Because Nick Morata over there is our most educated guy. Went to school the longest. He did all this stuff. It's a great way to describe him. No, it's accurate.

So he's the most qualified to speak on like flat earth and aliens and bigfoot yeah because books have told him all these right answers throughout his entire life and he just one day in passing i don't even think it was supposed to be something he said well we know more about space than we do about the ocean how about we spend money on studying the ocean and i've never been more flabbergasted about something in my entire life. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me right now? I just put my foot in the fucking ocean last week.

I never put my foot in space. I don't think we know anything about space. And then it became a three-hour serious radio show. I can tell you so much more information about space than what's at the bottom of that ocean. It'd make your head spin.

Oh my God. Just, we're not getting into it. Todd is a question. AJ. AJ, you're wrong. You're on God. Just blasphemy. We're not getting into it. Todd is a question. AJ. AJ, you're wrong. You're on the wrong side of history here. Yeah.

Let's say you're walking through the desert. You see kind of a part of a lamp sticking out of the sand. You pull that lamp out of there. You rub the dust off. A genie pops up. Will Smith. Why? And it's a showbooker genie oh never mind the only wishes they can

grant is booking guests for your show you can only get one wish so this showbooker genie says i can get you any guests in the world any human being you want in the world to do one hour on the hot cast who would you who would you ask question, by the way. Best question of the day. Oh, hey, well, thanks. I don't know what the fuck was that. You might be the best guest we've ever had. Thank you very much. I will say... Todd just lied. I don't care.

Hey, indifferent. Sorry, what'd you say? Elon Musk would be my pinnacle guest. Alien. Hybrid, possibly. You're right. That's another one I'm 100% on. Elon Musk is an alien.

He's a shapeshifter? Is that what you call him? Yeah, and he's figured out a way to fool everybody that his little Project X or whatever, Rocket Man X, whatever it's called. SpaceX. Oh, yeah, I got this called. SpaceX. Oh, yeah. I got this thing called SpaceX.

It's just a trip for him to go home. And he's like, oh, I was in California. I was in California when one of those took off. And it was a UFO in the sky. It was a UFO in the sky. I actually went live on my Twitter and Instagram. I was like, oh, there's a fucking UFO. I did it.

I finally did it. Look at me. I'm going to be part of history here. When the next alien documentary, they're going to use my footage. This is Pat McAfee from the doc in Santa Monica. This is it. I was commentating live.

Funny lines too, because when it's undocumented, let's get a little pop in there. You know, I was doing my best. And then I, I shut it off and nobody else was paying attention. There was like a thousand people on the beach.

Nobody else is even paying attention to it. all these people that are on massive amounts of drugs didn't even think a second about it and i go what is that and they go oh uh elon musk spacex had a launch today we all knew it was coming or whatever i was like oh so this guy has convinced all these humans on earth that he just yeah he just takes off every once in a while and just goes back to his fucking planet, finds a new technology or an invention, comes back to America, makes another billion with it. He's done it four times.

The guy's been a billionaire four times over and with these new underground fucking trains, he's going to make a zillion dollars off of this. And I think his planet, they live underground. So he has the ability to do whatever he wants. Well, I believe at least what they tell you is all of these SpaceX rockets that have launched are unmanned. There's no humans there. Yeah, of course.

They just take off and then they come land right back in the same spot. For hundreds of years we've been trying to do that and they just dump into the ocean, start on fire. And he just has this thing that goes like a fucking bottle rocket, straight up, and then the bottle rocket straight up and then the bottle rocket just comes right back down lands in its spot at a barge on a barge in the ocean like how amazing is that five feet wide yeah just draw a little draw a little target on there if i hit the middle one yeah it's like a drone he has like his own little drone that he's controlling

but it's a rocket that goes to outer space and back yeah it just goes to his planet and comes back that's what i think happens so he's going home that's a, but it's a rocket that goes to outer space and back. Yeah, it just goes to his planet and comes back. That's what I think happens. So he's going home. That's a good theory. I've never heard that. He just wants to go. Well, that's perfect. If your giant platform somehow reaches Elon and his people and he comes on my show, I will ask him,

tell me. I got to know. My good friend Pat wants to know. Are you just trying to go home with the SpaceX? Yeah. And see what he says. He has that kawaii reaction to things, too. Like the kawaii laugh reaction. That's hilarious. That's funny.

Yeah, you're right. He was good on Rogan. They say he's from another country, but nobody's ever talked to anybody from the other country that knows him. And he's from, like, South Africa? Yeah. What's up, bro bro he's an alien that's another theory I'm all in on

real big on the aliens right now and Elon Musk is one of them it would be fun if you were the guy that tripped him up finally and he had to admit that he was an alien yeah any other questions that I have I'm going to send to you if anyone could do that I think Pat could trip him up he'd feel so comfortable and cozy with you,

especially if you had him in the studio. Yeah, he'd actually let it slip. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Back on my planet. I mean, what? Country. Yeah, country. Well, let's rewind there, Elon.

Pretty sure he said planet. Zito, hit the fucking skipping track set. All right, good. Mr. Hawk, with all these players getting mad about their Madden scores. Oh, I can't wait to hear this. Were you ever mad about your Madden score? Please stop your question. Worst question of the day.

What were you going to finish? Like, was I ever upset at my Madden score? Yeah. Or rating, sorry. Whatever it is. Okay, so I'm offended that you asked. I'm offended by the question. I saw the highest you've ever been was 95. Whatever it is. Okay, so I'm offended that you asked. I'm offended by the question. I saw the highest you've ever been was 95.

That was impressive. I've never... Okay, the last Madden game I had was for Super Nintendo. That's how long ago it was. Fifth grade, maybe, I think. And I don't have any problem with people playing video games, playing Madden, whatever. But to sit there and give EA and and madden all this pub this free pub

by being so distraught and saying you're not gonna play the game how dare they i'm like it's a bunch of programmers and people making ratings like they don't know they get on a couple websites and check it out and throw people ratings out there like why that's like that's another thing to put on a chip on my shoulder, right? My Madden ratings. I'm really laughing at you. Hey, yeah. I told you, Mama. I told you they all want me to be. Like, let's go. Like, what are we doing here?

Please, stop giving the game free pub and stop getting your feelings hurt by your Madden ratings. Okay. I would like to come to the defense of the people that got upset. I think I am the first documented angry at madden adjudicator in the history the guy actually went and did an interview with somebody who was the madden rating guy and he was asked if anybody has ever gotten mad at you for what you ranked them and he said uh there's a punter i won't say his name who yelled at me the day we came in to offer up all the free madness to the players

and shit that they give and told me that I need to do better research. And that was me. That was me because they had my speed at like 30-something and my arm at like 20-something. I'm like, yo, just do some fucking research the next time. My brother plays this game every night with his friends and he's got to be embarrassed by how unathletic

you made a little video game of me. And then lo then lo and behold the next year i was the fucking top guy so i don't know how if everybody complaining is going to be the top guy but i did and they upped my throwing and they upped everything for me and um yeah it was pretty nice of them to do that i didn't do it publicly though yeah that's the thing don't do it publicly i get it why you're like yeah if your brother's playing the game, your cousins, you don't want to get texts from your buddies or cousins. Hey, man, why do you suck so bad on Madden? I don't know.

I'd fucking let them know about it, though. I wouldn't let you know that. Think of it now, though. It's going to be a huge marketing scheme where they're going to sit there and they're going to be like, okay, let's put up a list of players who we know are really active on social media, have a big opinion, and let's just give them terrible ratings. And we know that they're going to freak out and post videos all the time

about how their Madden rating is too low. They're going to give Jalen Ramsey a 10 next year. You're right. And he's going to burn their building down. He's the exact guy that would get so much pub if they put him low. You can't trust anything anymore. I don't. Nothing? I mean, I don't trust anything that anyone says no you really can't sad you can't like why and then i'm not i'm not trying to be cynical but

if someone tells me a story or whatever like all right yeah i mean i don't believe it you do you believe everything that people tell you? No. Well, if they've given enough conviction, I would like to have hope. Like, for instance, the guy over at Sing's yesterday, or a gas station right behind him, he told me seven bucks he needs to get back home. Gave him eight. Told him good luck.

I assume that he made it back home. Okay, that's a guy. I would believe him. I wouldn't mind if you give money one way or the other, whatever he wants to use the $7 or $8 for. I mean, he doesn't look like he's seen the state of sobriety in about a decade. But I thought $7 to get home, well worth it. It's going to change his life. Gave him eight.

Told him good luck. Now, what if he's there tomorrow? We're going to find out if he's there today. I'm betting pretty good that he is. I'm going to have to do the old, oh, card only delay, bro. By the way, that's the perfect excuse. It's the perfect excuse. Card only, man.

Well, I've done that before. And they say, well, hey, I'll just follow you in. And can you just buy me a couple snacks? Well, if they want snacks, I would get them snacks. Yeah. What if you're leaving, though? Would you go back in and get them snacks, come back out? No, and also, these people that accost us outside of this,

Singh would never let them in his building. Like, that's how bad, you know, like, if they try to get in. Who is, what is Singh? He's the guy that owns the whole thing. Yana Singh, bro? Mr. Singh. It actually says Mr. Singh on his name tag. What's the, it's a gas station?

Convenience store, gas station, one-stop shop. It's a marathon, yeah. It's a one-stop shop for everything. Marathon, yeah. You could have just said a marathon. Singh, I thought it was some local indie gas station thing that nobody knows about. Yikes. Geez.

Wow. Wow. I mean, Singh's pretty well known. You get your feelings for it real easy, Pat. My feelings? No, no. I'm just worried about Mr. Singh's. You get offended when I say something to you.

AJ, I have a question for you. We talked about your schedule, your routine, your busy guy. We know that. But when you get some downtime, some leisure time, and you light up a stoke and you kick back, what's your go-to form of entertainment? And what's your drink of choice? My go-to form of entertainment as in like

what yeah what are you what are you watching no football like what do you watch outside of football or are you on your phone or or am i on my phone you're saying yeah uh if i'm not no like my wife calls me warren from something about mary because i wear big those headphones for real like she started calling me Warren a couple years ago because I've listened to different podcasts all day. I take one ear off. I usually walk around with one ear pushed back throughout the house when people are awake, and then when they're asleep,

I roam around my yard and fix things around the house with headphones on, listen to the latest episodes of whatever I want to listen to. Which episode of ours did you enjoy the most? I'd say all of them. Most all of them were really good. Great question, great answer. I do listen to the majority of your stuff, Pat,

of everything you do. Do you really? Yeah. That's awesome. I listen to all your stuff too. Okay. I'm a huge podcast fan, so obviously I like all the stuff you put out.

What was that? Yesterday I sent you a text. It was in response to your text you sent me in Tahoe. fan so obviously i liked all the stuff you put out the whenever i what was that yesterday i sent you a text it was uh it was in response to your text you sent me in tahoe i said uh i sent you a text i said we're brainstorming over here your name just came up we'd love to talk to you and then you didn't answer for like 30 seconds so then i facetimed that's my i i do a one two combo on people i'm like all right let's go we're gonna answer and i got a text back from you that's like i'm on the radio till six o'clock tonight i'm like that is literally six hours from now how do you do so much how do you do so much three it was three to six it was only three hours yesterday but i do like four hour shows the nfl channel a lot that's a long time

it goes fast man if you have a good co-host like you and your buddies and they're like i'm sure this goes fast if i'm doing it with the co-hosts that i work with are usually they're all pretty fun it goes pretty quick we did a three-hour series show that last half hour i was about to die we got very hungry well yeah it helps being at my house i do it all from my house a little room upstairs i do it from when i have to go to a studio and do shows then it feels like it's a marathon for some reason. When I'm in somebody else's studio, it's weird. AJ, shoot it to me straight here. I trust your

opinion. How do you think the Packers are going to be this year? Here we go. They should be really good. They've got Aaron, got Devontae Adams, the most underrated receiver in the NFL, I think. T.Y. Hilton, yep. T.Y. Hilton's very underrated too you're right i agree those guys names don't pop up enough when they're talking about like the top tier it never

do they really never do no they should i maybe it's because they both seem well i don't know t.y is not quiet he does the cool little dances and stuff i think celebrations he only does the t.y dance yeah i thought he was doing t.o. the first couple times I saw him do that. I mean, it's the alphabet, bro. Why not? I got it. I figured it out eventually. But no, the Packers are going to be great.

Aaron's going to have a huge year. I think he and LaFleur are going to be fine. There's all this talk about how the relationship is and all this stuff. They're going to be great. LaFleur's a great play caller, and their defense is going to be even better than they were last year. They picked up a couple studs in free agency. They should be great.

They should be contended for the Super Bowl, but who knows? Everybody's got to stay healthy too. You were just in a house with Aaron Rodgers in Tahoe for a few days. Him and Danica. I saw the pictures. Wasn't invited. Actually, I was. Maybe I was.

I don't know. I chose not to go. I decided against it. How is his mindset going into the season? We're like a week out from training camp right now how's his mindset going in good he seems to be like he always is going into camp i mean he's not like you know a lot of guys get like depressed and weird when it gets like a week or 10 days out before camp it's easy to get that way for sure i had a countdown i told all my friends i'm like all right about eight days till you don't fucking hear from me for like six months,

guys. Let's go ahead and enjoy this. Six days, boy. Five. Real. That's a real thing. Absolutely. It was dead real. I had a little tinge of that when I heard today that the Broncos reported or something today. I know. I kind of got the chills. Oh, gross.

No, he was great. I think he's a great mindset. He's having a good time. He played good golf. And he physically looks and feels good, I think. So, why not? Why not have a monster year? Did you see Tony Romo play at all out there? Yeah, he won the tournament. Is he good? Two years in a row. Yeah, he's

a stud golfer. He's unbelievable. There was some article where he practices like he's a pro. He goes to the range in the morning, hits balls, plays nine holes, sends videos of his swing and putts to his different golf coaches he has, eats lunch there, plays golf again in the afternoon, another nine or 18, goes to the range, works on a short game. He has a full professional golfer schedule.

So he's trying to become a pro then? He's trying to become a professional golfer? Probably. He's got some exemptions and played in some pga events he hasn't made a cut yet but i don't think he's played his best rounds either whenever he's got a chance to get up there i'm sure it's difficult man playing when the courses are set up for the pros and there's a lot of pressure on you if you're trying to make the cut in a pga event and playing against the best in the world not really if you have a hundred million dollars is there really that much pressure? Yeah, he still wants to play well.

He still wants to make the cut. What does his bank account mean for that? No, you're not playing for that. You're playing for love of the game, obviously. Obviously, you're playing for love of the game. I don't even know what I was thinking there, thinking that you're playing strictly for the cash that you could potentially win. Yeah, okay.

Of course, you want to make money. Yes, you do. But if you had $100 million in the bank and you could potentially win. Yeah, okay, Pat. Of course you want to make money. Yes, you do. But if you had $100 million in the bank, if you could go win the Super Bowl playing for a team right now, I'm sure you'd do it. That's a great question. Anybody else have any questions? AJ, how do you think Ohio State does without Urban Meyer?

And do you think he coaches again in the future? I think they're going to be good, man. Justin Fields, they got this transfer, came in who was like the number two quarterback in the country, coming out of high school. He's a stud. Came over from Georgia. It's all on him. They have a ton of talent around him.

But they're going to be good. Ryan Day is the new head coach. He was the offensive coordinator. He's a good dude. I've talked to him. Had him on my podcast, actually. I went and did it in person with coordinator. He's a good dude. I've talked to him. I had him on my podcast, actually. I went and did it in person with him. He's a cool dude.

He gets it. He's a confident dude. I like him a lot. And then, what did you say? The second question. Oh, Urban? I think, yeah, Urban's only like 54, 55 years old. He's doing the Fox pregame show this year with my brother-in-law, Brady,

and Leinartert and Reggie Bush. I think that'll be cool, but they're already talking about him possibly taking the USC job if that opens up soon. I think the only two jobs he would ever come out of retirement for would be possibly the USC job, but the only job really would be the Notre Dame

game if they somehow hit a little bit of a slide. I think I could see him going to Notre Dame. It's so interesting to me the Notre Dame job is still one that is so highly aspired. Is that right? Yeah. All you can do is win there, and you fucking automatically get in the playoffs. That TV deal. Yeah, it's an institution.

Yeah, it's something about it. And Urban was there before. He was on the staff back in the day, too, so he has some ties. Todd McComas is a big Notre Dame. He's got a Notre Dame hat on right now big nerding fan i i think the notre dame fans are uh eager for notre dame to potentially get good again not yeah that would be nice but great again great again yeah because they're on national tv so everybody knows if they're not doing good so if you're a notre dame fan you literally have to hear about it from everybody because just like that half and half jersey, Notre Dame

is shoved down our throats. Notre Dame is shoved down our throats. If we can get it back to when your brother-in-law played there, that would be nice. I mean, they made the playoffs last year. I mean, they're always good, but fake good, you know they're going to get beat when they

play somebody real. That's what I'm saying. That's a good coaching job. That is real because all season you're pretty good. You're in a pretty good spot. You might have to survive one PR blow there at the end when you have a devastating loss to somebody. But other than that, you're going to be back again next year. That is a good job, I guess.

Are you sure I'm 100% right? Anything else you'd like to say? No. Thank you for the opportunity, Pat. Any official comments on anything? As far as what? Like the aliens or Bigfoot or what? We already had that.

If you'd just like to go on record or anything, get off your chest. I love a new segment. New segment. If you had to go on TV And give an endorsement For the Pat McAfee show podcast How would you phrase it? What would be your endorsement? That is also a new segment

I would say So Like right now you're doing it You're doing a commercial right now For someone to listen to If I'm trying to tell you To listen to it Talking head

You got like a 20 second spot To give a shout out You're on get up right now Mike Greenberg It's like a live read said oh my god aj uh you listen to podcasts all the time i just started mike greenberg actually said this uh on his show maybe in the future at some point he said i only listen to the pat mcafee show podcast it's so much fun uh do you listen to it why do you like it well yeah of course i've

listened to pat mcafee show podcast but i also listen to many many others because i think it's the best thing nobody's it's not a competition out here guys you can listen to everything we're always looking for great new content but pat mcafee not only is he a big strapping handsome dude that may or may not be on steroids judging by the look of his arms but But he's very entertaining. He's actually a real person. This isn't a character that he's playing. That means a lot.

Let's go to the break. You kept putting your finger up for me, though. You didn't stop me. I mean, it was uncomfortable to listen to how good looking I am. You know what I mean? You didn't let me get to anything else I wanted to get to, so whatever. All right, new segment. Get it off your chest.

You have something that pisses you off? Just go ahead and say it. No, I'm good. I feel very... View me as Dr. Phil. Dr. Pat, get it off your chest. Dr. Pat, get it off your chest. That's a segment.

New segment. No. Pat, do you think that you are a very positive person in general? I would assume so, yeah. I think you are too. That was a great segment. I would assume so, yeah. I think you are too. That was a great segment. I'm just

thinking, because we've been around, me and you have been around some people, a couple people at times that maybe weren't the coolest or most fun and you're very, very nice in how you tear somebody down. I don't even know what that means. Honestly, I don't even know what that means honestly i i don't even know i don't even

know what you're very like yeah you're just like yeah you weren't you don't like go for the jugular you're just like oh yeah yeah it's not there wouldn't be my first choice to call uh well i just you know just like to keep it moving man i honestly i look back this has nothing to do with what you just said but i look back to the pre-production meetings that you and me and that shung i had with baylor in their hotel room yeah and i couldn't even fathom what the fucking everybody in there imagined i walked in there with a sleeveless hoodie on right i had a sleeveless hoodie on and i think i had jorts on i think i had a sleeveless hoodie and jorts on everybody's kind of wearing like suits or like buttoned up shirts and there

was in this big table and matt rule walks in and i've never been in one of these meetings before i have no fucking idea and there was a couple questions asked over like very professional questions and then i just thought it was a podcast like in my head i was like oh this is just a fucking podcast matt rule it's good what's one thing you've learned from something in the past you're like you know what i should hang on to that and then he went into a run with tom coughlin about tom coughlin this whole thing and i just i felt the eyes from the fox people i just felt them all over me and i was like yeah probably not supposed to be in this world but I felt like you and I was like a podcast host in there with Matt Rule, then that quarterback, and then that other kid.

Honestly, that's how I felt. It was great. Well, that's why you're good. If you remember, you had the producer of our game on your show the next week, I think. He even said, like, no, I think not only how you dress, but how you carry yourself. Like, we got more out of those coaches and players than you normally would because you make

them feel comfortable. Why didn't that happen more often, though? Because there's only one Pat McAfee. That's what we're looking for. That's the cut. Cut that right now. That is what we were looking for. That's what we were looking for.

Thank you. But there's only one A.J. Hawk, to be honest. Maybe. I think so. Definitely. You're quite an accomplished football player. Quite an accomplished football player. And you just have, just like we were talking about with Aaron and Baker,

you have this relatability and humility about you that is honestly stupid. You shouldn't have it. You're too attractive and too good at things to be this humble, and I think I enjoy the shit out of it. Yeah, I don't know if I'm very relatable because I have a hard time relating to other people, like when I hang out with them. Indifferent.

Like if I get in a group of people, couples, and there's – no, not even couples. Just sometimes I get put with random people, and I'm like, man, I would just never even comment on this conversation. I've never agreed with anything more. And I feel like, I asked my wife, am I a terrible person? I just don't want to engage at all. This is it.

Get it off your chest. This is get off your chest. Now, two segments have been covered here. Just want to let you know. We just got you into two segments without really getting into two segments. I'd like to know that. That's why you guys are the best. The celebrity golf scrambles

where they put you with a pairing or a foursome. Yeah. That is when I feel exactly how you feel. I'm like, great. This is four and a half hours of my life that I'm going to fucking hate forever. Oh, the pro-am? No, not the pro-am.

Whenever your teammate has a charity golf outing, you're a celebrity that gets teamed up with a foursome and you're like a fifth player and it's like, oh, this is going to be fun. It's my nightmare!

Yep, that's exactly right. If you get put with a good group, fun four and a half hours. If they're good, you guys are good golfers and they're kind of a cool group of humans. But on the complete opposite

end of the spectrum, if you're known for instance just getting arrested for being drunk, you normally get put with cool group of humans but on a complete opposite end of the spectrum if you're known uh for instance just getting arrested for being drunk you normally get put with a group of uh younger drinking group you know what i mean and boy everybody's comedian in those groups and i i never hated uh more time i don't do them anymore it's not about you though it's about them i know they paid uh probably 400 to be in that golf tournament so i have to be miserable for four and a half hours and that's just, I don't do those anymore. I'll just donate to the cause.

How about this? Save it. I'll donate. Get my own foursome right around by myself. That'd be great. I do. I play in those things every once in a while. Yeah, I'm with you.

The number one question I get, how many cigars do you smoke? I'm like uh 18 holes worth every time like i'm gonna that's what they always like get up they get worried and upset not upset but yeah you're right if you get a good group it's awesome fun day and if you get a group that's not so great it can be a long long long day by the way that was very positive of you the way you described that is not so great you're rubbing off on me man that's i think that's why i brought it up because maybe a couple times i've been around you're like man am i like am i just being too mean are these people behind their back

they don't know though like these are situations where you can bury people because the people don't know because you give the alternative like oh there's also a fun group so the group that i'm talking about currently probably thought they were the funnest group of all time you know what i mean great point yeah so nobody's gonna know it's okay to bury them they fucking were terrible bro group. So the group that I'm talking about currently probably thought they were the funnest group of all time. You know what I mean? Great point. Yeah, so nobody's going to know. It's okay to bury them. They fucking were terrible, bro. By hole two, I wanted to kill myself. Thought about using my

head as a T for one of the guys. You're right. Nobody want to know who I'm talking about, but I know. Still remember them to this day. They're terrible. Have a great fall, AJ. Thanks.

You too. AJ, what's your go-to cigar? Good job with your show. Thanks. What'd you say? What's your go-to cigar? What's my go-to? Oh, uh...

Why don't you make your own cigars? Why? It'd be fun to set up a little thing in your garage. You smoke a lot of them. You just have your own. You wouldn't have to go out and buy them. It's like rolling your own cigarettes. We'll get some garbage cigars instead of smoked decent ones I can buy.

Why don't you make good ones? Okay. Well, I need to go back and be born again somewhere else. I don't know how to roll a cigar. Okay Well I need to go back and be born again Somewhere else Getting a company Like you creating a cigar Not rolling Yeah that sounds like a good use of my time How about I go online

To Cigars International and order the two or three Boxes every two weeks that I do Every month What are those two to three boxes you two weeks that I do every month. What are those two to three boxes you order? The cigar that got me into smoking is Perdomo Champagne, like 10th anniversary.

I don't smoke any real expensive ones. Just like light Connecticut wrapper cigars. Camacho is one I like. Hey, let me suggest a Monte Cristo number two for you. Yeah, I've had it. I'm kind of a baby though. I can smoke a lot of cigars,

but I don't like dark, like heavy cigars. Every time I smoke a cigar, I'm kind of a baby, though. I can smoke a lot of cigars, but I don't like dark, heavy cigars. Every time I smoke a cigar, the next two days, my fucking shit is just ruined. Like your throat? Yeah. You've got to drink water. I drink gallons of water when I smoke cigars. So it dehydrates me?

That's why my throat feels bad? No. I mean, I don't know what it is, but people always tell me the same thing, that their throat hurts or whatever. I never get that i'll smoke a bunch of them but i just i just need i feel like i need to pound water when i do but maybe that's why that keeps me from feeling terrible the next day do you ever keep any unlit cigars in your mouth no so you don't have the look of like just it floating around in your mouth no like i'm some old italian dude walking around new york city or something or cuban or cuban yeah yeah that's no i'd no you gotta be a pretty confident man to do that cigar z getting buried right now we have a cuban kid on our roster here his name is zito

yeah can't speak spanish his whole family spoke sp to him his entire life. Can't speak Spanish, but he has a character, a personality within himself called Cigar Zit, and he just chews on an unlit cigar. Yeah, if you need rollers, I got you. Okay, I like that. I like that character. It's a good character. It's probably my favorite, to be honest.

He kind of disappeared whenever somebody pissed on a cigar. Something happened to the cigar that he had. He just won't chew on it anymore. He gets extra confident when the cigar comes out, too. I think that happens with a lot of people. You put a cigar in your mouth. Shazier bought him a new one. He just became more confident.

Yeah, it's like it gives you something to do with your hands. I'm a big hand guy, too, so that makes sense. Just don't let Pat Keister stash one of those before you get into that character. Hand stuff. I wish I would have thought of that. Damn, that would have been awesome. Chocolate flavored. Jesus.

You ever seen that Cigar Aficionado magazine? Yeah, I get it. When are we going to get you on the cover of that thing? I don't think that's really my thing either. What was the guy? Kirk Douglas? He was on last that's really my thing either. What was the guy? Kirk Douglas? He was on last week. Michael Kirk, whatever.

Yeah, Michael Douglas. No, the other one that's married to Goldie Hawn. Oh, Kirk. Kurt Russell. Kurt Russell. He was on it, just this last one. My father-in-law got me a subscription, so I get it every month.

Chad Johnson's trying to make a play to get on there. He has his own cigars. 8-5 cigars or something like that. Yeah, Ray Lewis has a cigar, too. I've seen it at the store. He'll kill you. Is that going to stay in? That's noted Steeler fan, Anthony DiGiglio.

Unbelievable. On the football field he will, right? Yeah. Hey, thanks, AJ. Thanks, guys. Good to be with you. Describe your style on the football field. My what?

What was your style on the football field? 95 rating. I mean, is that, so you're serious? You're not serious, are you? This is, I feel like I'm in a pre-production meeting for a topic I don't want to talk about. You're not serious, are you? I feel like I'm in a pre-production meeting for a topic I don't want to talk about.

Oh, just absolute vicious animal violence. That's what you're supposed to say? I would like my NFL linebacker to act like that, yeah. Yeah, you would. I know you would. So would the majority of people that watch. I would not. I would want my middle linebacker to flip off the ref and the other team

and get caught on camera doing that. The ref? I've never flipped off the ref. Come on. Just the other team? No, just one of my assistant coaches. Oh. All right.

That's what I'm looking for. Okay. Well, yeah. Well, then you can describe it much better than I can, what you want your linebacker to feel like. What do you want his style of play to be? How are your shoulders? Are they good?

Great. Tore my right pec a while back, but it's good. Everything else is good. That makes no sense because you should be fucked up. Like, you should be, you know you should be you know what i mean like you should be my knee is straight bone on bone and i got other stuff but like no my shoulders i've been real lucky neck shoulders everything i started doing neck machine like in fourth grade so my upper my upper part who's that chopper chopper where is that here is that that's your

wife's dad yeah yeah that's my father-in-law chopper huge chopper he's trying to get my six-year-old doing neck machine already all right man i'll see you thank you so much ladies and gentlemen legend of a human aj hawk great show today fun show today big thanks to aj hawk if you can tweet him and tell him thanks for coming on, that'd be fantastic. From myself, Todd Diggs, Nick Zito, Ty, Evan, Billy, Jason McAfee, and Tim McAfee, we can't thank you enough for everything you do. Massive announcements coming soon. Heartland Radio 2.0 is tomorrow.

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