The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1021 - MNF Recap, Dan Orlovsky, Aaron Rodgers, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Darius Butler LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: November 21, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about last night’s Monday Night Football Super Bowl rematch between the Eagles and Chiefs that saw the Eagles squeeze out a victory in the elements on the road, how they continue to just win ugly, if the Chiefs are fixable, and the breaking news that Matt Canada has been fired by the Steelers and Shaq Leonard has been released by the Colts, along with everything else happening around the NFL. Joining the progrum to chat about last night’s game, the Matt Canada firing, if the Chargers are fixable with Brandon Staley at the helm, and much more is 12 year NFL veteran at QB and ESPN NFL analyst, Dan Orlovsky (17:49-53:31). Next, 4x MVP, Super Bowl Champion/MVP, and Quarterback of the New York Jets, Aaron Rodgers joins the show to chat about his recovery process, the rumor that he plans to be back by December 2, the Jets struggles and naming a new QB, how difficult it is when an as a QB when an Offensive Coordinator is fired midseason and how it can improve things, and much more (1:03:20-1:47:46). Later, the legend, one of the biggest movie stars of all-time, one of the most accomplished strongmen in world history, former Governor of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger joins the show to chat about his new book, his outlook on life, his work ethnic, his domination of the film industry, his upbringing and being in the military, and much much more in an incredible conversation (1:58:06-2:37:59). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. Or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sport! Sport! Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, November 21st, 2023, this program starts now. Football! Happened last night, the Eagles get a big win over the Kansas City Chiefs over here in Kansas City, Missouri. That's close to Wachita, Kansas, obviously. Last night, we answered a lot of questions that we potentially had.

Yes, the Kansas City Chiefs have a long way to go on the offensive side of the ball. 26 drops this season, leads the league. The only second highest, the only people that have had this amount of drops up to this point in the history is 2017 Niners or something like that. So it's a lot of drops all over the place. Obviously, MVS has one at the end of the game last night. A lot of people say, you know, Chiefs probably get that win. Chiefs probably win if he does that. Minute 40, does Jalen Hurts go back down the field?

Who knows, but it was a great game between these two. A Super Bowl rematch that we were all incredibly pumped to dive into. Obviously, the Manning cast had Mark Wahlberg on last night. He had an incredible performance on there. Yeah, he was great. That feels like that's cast had Mark Wahlberg on last night. He had an incredible performance on there. Yeah, he was great. That feels like that's right in Mark Wahlberg's kind of breadbasket. Absolutely. Anytime he's being interviewed at anything, he seems to really crush it.

Yeah, Game 4 wants to be there. So excited. Seems pumped to be there. Yeah, loves that the football's happening. And he's talking to both Mannings, two Hall of Famers at the same exact time. Kind of left Peyton and Eli out on an island. Yeah, a little bit. It was a little uncomfortable.

They didn't deserve that at all. But it was a great night of football. I think there's a lot of overreaction happening. For instance, this morning I was on first take. Very lucky to do that every single Tuesday. They go, are the Chiefs issues fixable? It's like, have you seen the AFC? Anybody can go get the AFC right now.

Now, the Baltimore Ravens have been fantastic. And the Miami Dolphins with Jalen Ramsey seem to have a resurgence, and are the Buffalo Bills back? Well, we don't know. We're going to find out quickly here, I think, this weekend with it all, but if you think about who could go on a run, you don't think Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid can figure it out? Yeah, I think they can figure out what they need to do. Now, certainly targeting a guy named Justin Watson, who none of us know exists. Hey, there's a white guy wearing number 80. That's not Travis Kelsey catching the ball a lot last night, getting targeted a lot last night. If you do recall, he was

with Tampa Bay. Him and Tom Brady had a little bit of a stint there for like a game or two. So he's caught pass from Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes. But whenever he's your number one target, you would think you're maybe in a little bit of trouble. Chiefs will figure it out. Andy Reid will utilize his massive brain. Patrick Mahomes will

continue to be Patrick Mahomes. But last night I think we learned a lot about the Eagles. This Eagles team is gritty, dude. Oh, yeah. They're some dogs. They can take you into the deep end and they can beat you. That defense is fantastic. Now, Stephen Hayes said the secondary is going to have to figure some stuff out, especially if MVS catches that. That's our whole conversation today

and all of that. Okay, cool. We're week 11. There's still a lot of growth and development for all teams. I think last night we're very thankful for the boys. The big story of today, though, boys, is something that popped off this morning. The toxic tables here at Boss Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Love the elephant. That's my favorite animal.

Okay, nice. Yeah, this was just a quick grab and go. Didn't even look to see what it was, and I'm glad it turned out to be a good one. Well, maybe pay a little respect to the elephant. You need to maybe do a little research on what the elephants are, how smart they are, how loyal they are. And by the way, elephants, some real

doves out there. Yeah, very petty, I believe, too. Which is nice. Well, anybody that has good memory normally going to be very petty. You know, the people that aren't petty are normally the people that don't remember everything that has ever happened against them. The elephants remember everything. So you're certainly going to be more petty than others that are maybe dumb.

It's tough to be petty whenever you just don't remember anything because then you don't know what to be petty about. The elephants, you do one thing against them, they're going to remember it forever. Love your shirt. There's a nine-year NFL vet here who is hosting a man-to-man podcast and everything DB that will be happening later today. Absolute stallion whenever he's talking about games.

So much so that he actually got to call a game at Lambeau this past weekend. Ladies and gentlemen, in front of the program, Darius J. Butler. D-Budget Eagles, good win. Great win. Love it. Great win. 9-1 now. Great win.

That's all Jalen Hurts seems to do is win. Obviously, ugly football game. Nasty weather. Comes down to a two-minute drive. You mentioned the MVS drop. You know, big mishap on defense, but you got bailed out by the receiver. But a big win against, obviously, a great opponent. Yeah, you talk about sloppy conditions.

We can never see it with these new cameras. It's ridiculous. This is real. Show us the rain. This is a real thing. Yeah. Can't tell it's raining. That Oregon State-Washington game on Saturday night had, like—

It was coming down. They're saying, like, terrible rain. So much so that people actually thought they could just pee in public. Exactly. And nobody would notice with how hard it was they're saying like terrible rain so much so that people actually thought they could just pee in public exactly and nobody would notice with how hard it was raining couldn't even tell with how good the cameras were literally just looked like uh maybe a little gloomy cloudy day and then they cut to another camera all of a sudden or sky cam and it's like oh yeah it's really raining out over last night kind of a similar thing yep cameras so damn good lighting so damn good can't even tell then they go to Skycam. It's like foggy and rain everywhere.

It's like, oh, there's some tough conditions potentially for both of them. Gonna have to handle that though, especially in the playoffs going forward. Good football game. We're lucky to watch it. Breaking news this morning. Huge. Out of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. You've

heard the chants, okay? From sea to shining sea in this particular country. We're on it, Foxy. There's a team that maybe has no shot to win it all. And if you're talking about what these people are talking about, that would be the Pittsburgh Steelers. I had no idea. Hold up, Alex.

Hold up. This is in Utah. This guy's life. You know, hold up Alex hold up this is in Utah Different sport There's anything in the house boy Just as morning events, right? That's all. Who are they talking about? That's some Hills of Virginia. Matthew Cannon.

Speaking of fire. That's the host of A.J. Hawk's birthday party. You're talking everywhere. Yeah. It was being chanted to fire this particular guy. Because whenever you're a part of the Pittsburgh Steelers, you're part of an organization that has a fan base that is everywhere. Yeah. It was being chanted to fire this particular guy. Because whenever you're a part of the Pittsburgh Steelers, you're part of an organization that has a fan base that is everywhere. Everybody knows the story of Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is the birth of this country.

I understand that Massachusetts and New England were the birth of steel, which has made everything everywhere. You're welcome, says all of the Yinzers, for the lives that were cut very short for going into these mills, breathing in terrible things, dying to create steel so that the rest of this country could be built. God bless Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. But whenever you're coaching the Pittsburgh Steelers, you see those people all moved as the mills continued to kind of dissipate across the country. And as business continued to bloom kind of way, everybody. So there's Pittsburgh Steelers fans in every single city, in every single place. You can go to the Mormons in Utah, and there are Pittsburgh Steelers fans in abundance.

You can go to the hills of Virginia, and there's Pittsburgh Steelers in abundance. You go to the Capitol, and there'll be Pittsburgh Steelers. So anything you do with the Pittsburgh Steelers is going to be judged in that particular light. And the offense coordinator, although they've gone 24-19-1 over the past three seasons with this man as the offense coordinator. And they have not made a move in the middle of the season, the Pittsburgh Steelers, of a head coach or a coordinator since 1941. They decide to pull the trigger on Matt Cantill as the offensive coordinator this morning. Now, Art Rooney II, who is the acting owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, was the one that made this move, not Mike Tomlin.

So that leads to a bunch of questions, okay? Well, then is Art Rooney II the guy that was deciding to not fire him for this entire season? And that's why Tomlin, every time he went out to the press conference, was like, yeah, we're looking at changes, but he didn't really know because Art Rooney's the guy that's making the firings. Or did Tomlin not want to do it? Did Tomlin say, I don't want to do this. You're going to have to do it. And was this a decision that was just made by Art Rooney saying, my team ain't going to have this guy getting chanted out of every single building that Pittsburgh is a part of because he sucks anymore?

And does Art Rooney II maybe just think, I need to find out if Kenny Pickett's the guy or not. So many questions from this move by who the move was made by. Let's go to the man who dressed up like Matt Canada for Halloween. That's right. Just Matt Canada. Just Matt Canada. When he potentially portrayed a Neville wearing a Steelers uniform. There he is right there.

Just Matt Canada. Ladies and gentlemen, Tone Diggs, your thoughts on the a Steelers uniform. There he is right there, just Matt Canada. Ladies and gentlemen, Tone Diggs, your thoughts on the Pittsburgh Steelers moving on from a coordinator for the first time since 1941 in the middle of the season. Yes. Tuesday, November 21st, 2023. Today. Remember the day, okay?

It's a historic day. Like you said, since 1941, a move like this hasn't been made in the Steelers organization. This is a historic day. Like you said, since 1941, a move like this hasn't been made in the Steelers organization. This is a historic day. In the 20th and 21st centuries, democracies, dictatorships, walls, they've crumbled. They've fallen. They've gone. People will never stand for tyranny and impression

like they may have in the past yep and for a long time you know i thought the steelers fan base was going to have to be one of those groups of people that was just going to be ruled by some dictatorship overlord who just enjoyed crushing his constituents okay and people that relied on him for happiness and food what okay and money for their families and gambling but today on this day today on this day yeah tuesday november 21st 2023 a day we'll never forget remember yeah a date we would never ever forget in the 20th and 21st. 2023, a day we'll never forget. A date we would never ever forget. In the 20th and 21st century. Yeah, we heard this.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We heard this earlier. The big century. That's what you were saying. A hundred and twenty-eight. Yeah. Yep. This is the worst we've ever heard.

Bring it home. A hundred and twenty-eight. Okay? yep you got it this is the worst we've ever bring it home 128 okay 128 leaders of state have been deposed by foreign countries or foreign bodies not argentina today's 129 because a dictator has died today oh wow For three years, Mac Canada did just Mickey Mouse play calling, screens, draws. Jet sweeps. Jet sweeps. You can't throw it in the middle of the field. And today, we are free from his reign. Hell yeah.

Congrats, Pittsburgh. Today is a new day. And today is a huge day because today marks something bigger that we're actually going to have some change. All we wanted as Steelers fans was to know that the standard is the standard. And the standard is not being the 32nd ranked offense year after year after year and that we're trying to win Super Bowls. And with Matt Canada, there was never a chance that we were going to win Super Bowls.

So today actually is somewhere where it's like, okay, we're going to try. Because it seemed like for the last two years, we gave them a year, but for the last two years, it felt like we weren't even trying to win, and that's just something that is not acceptable as a Steelers fan and a Steelers fan base. And like you said, now we get to find out, was it Matt Canada? Four. Is it the quarterback that we drafted in the first round? Like, is that something that we have to move on and look for in the future?

Or, like, is there's no one else left to blame? If it goes from Matt to the quarterback to it doesn't have to go higher than that, then that we could finally move on from this era that has been kind of painful and torturous, and now we finally get some answers, I think. And thankfully, Art came in and stepped in and made this move because it had to be done. And finally, we can move on and get some answers, I think. Art Rooney II is the current acting owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

He is not named after his father. He's named after his father's father, who obviously, original owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, the chief, Art Rooney. So then there was Dan, who's Art's father. And then Art Rooney II is after the grandfather, which I've never heard before. But he's the one who is now in charge. He says Matt Canada has been fired. There's a minute-long video now coming out from Mike Tallman's press conference, which started at noon Eastern time.

Here is Mike Tallman, I assume, addressing the elephant in the room, which is the firing of Matt Canada. Good afternoon. First, let's start with the news of the day. Thank you. As I'm sure you guys already know, I made a change in the coordinator position. First, let's start with the news of the day. Thank you. As I'm sure you all, you guys already know, I made a change in the coordinator position. Oh, I did not come to this decision lightly to be really transparent with you. It's just a personal belief of mine from a leadership perspective.

It is my role to absorb and protect those that I work with. And this doesn't feel like that obviously I'm not interested in and assigning blame or deflecting in any way it's more of my natural nature to absorb to be quite honest with you I've been in this role so long I'm quite comfortable absorbing so just rest assured that this decision was not taken lightly. I got a lot of respect for Matt personally and professionally. It was not easy, but I thought it was necessary.

This is a result-oriented business. And to be short, the improvements were not rapid enough or consistent enough for us to proceed. You've got to score touchdowns in this business. You've got to win games in this business. And just the totality of it has us where we are today. Okay, so he said I a lot there, so that'll go against the reports that were coming out of Pittsburgh that Art Rooney II made this decision.

Mike Tomlin said I felt like I had to do that. He talked about not getting better quick enough. And I think to go to the Steelers fans' points, Tomlin has been the most patient human that waiting for results because it's been a two-year process after the first year of just, is this guy?

I don't know how that whole thing goes. He talked about how hard of a decision it is. That's not a message, obviously, for the media. He's also saying that to Matt Canada, Matt Canada's family, Matt Canada's friends, because obviously they exist. We assume he's also saying that to matt canada matt canada's family matt canada's friends because obviously they exist we assume he's not a bad human behind closed doors even though he doesn't know offensive football in the nfl that well in everybody's eyes how do you

feel about the firing and i appreciate the way mike tomlin said i've been in this role so long normally i just take the blame myself yeah so firing somebody middle of season he almost he almost feels like a coward. Like, all right, so now I'm pointing blame at somebody else. He doesn't love that at all, which I can respect. Every time Tomlin speaks, I respect it. But this move seemingly had to be done. Yeah, he always dominates the press conferences.

He always seems honest and real, transparent. And obviously he doesn't feel great about firing Matt. And he said not rapping enough. This was an issue, obviously, for Steelers fans going in last year, coming in this year. But now, you know what? What's going to really change? You still got the quarterback in place.

You still got the quarterback. You do, in my opinion, you got some good talent around him. We know who George Pickens is athletically, talent-wise. Deontay Johnson, I think he's a good receiver as well. Got a good couple running backs back there, Warren and Naj. So we'll see if it actually changed and actually improves on the field. Who's calling plays? Mike Sullivan, West Point graduate, Army Ranger.

I would like to say it might be quarterback coach Mike Sullivan, but there has been conflicting reports on who's going to be calling plays, who's going to be the offense coordinator. And the same people that are reporting this type of stuff, no offense, we love the Pittsburgh media. They were also reporting that Art Rooney was the one that did the firing of Matt Kanis. I don't think any of us really know what's real or not. It feels like there's a lot of darts just being thrown out there.

But you said, what does it change? You know, just like when McDaniels left. You remember when McDaniels left? They were smoking those cigars, Devontae Adams, dancing, doing the whole thing. I wonder, you know, because Devontae Johnson came out after the game and said, I ran a right route.

Just so everybody's saying that I ran the wrong route and Kenny threw it where I was supposed to be. I ran the right one. It was Najee Harris. What he said after the game about, yeah, we're a bit predictable. You think everybody has a team first attitude? Hmm. I want to talk about me.

That's what he said. He literally said that. So it sounds like there is quite a few seams behind closed doors on that offensive front. George Pickens had already deleted all the Steelers stuff off his Instagram. That means something in 2023. So maybe with Matt Canada leaving, it'll be something that the boys will be able to rally around

because it feels like they need something like that much more than anything else. Whether it's Mike Sullivan or Eddie Faulkner, who's running back's coach, I believe, the word around Todd is that the players really enjoy those two and that they were at a point where they didn't enjoy Matthew Canada as much. So, like in Buffalo, what happened there? Was there stuff going on where they didn't get along

and then they come in and Joe Brady and obviously it's just one game, but they looked better. Maybe just if everybody likes each other, they'll play better. But to your point, there's still a lot of probably wrong with that offense. It's probably not going to get fixed this season if I had to take a guess.

Mike Tomlin confirms Eddie Faulkner is Steelers' new offensive coordinator. Mike Sullivan will call plays. Oh, that's good. Don't love that. How's that work? You've got two quarterbacks. You've got no quarterbacks. You've got two OCs. Do you no quarterbacks. You got two OCs. Do you have any? Mike Tomlin, smart guy.

Yeah. We assume he's going to get it right. Joining us now is a man who we thought maybe he becomes offense coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers because he seemingly has all the answers. Ladies and gentlemen, the quarterback guru, NFL guru for ESPN, 14 hours a day. Ladies and gentlemen, he was live from like a Dateline set yesterday. Oh, yeah. Dan Orlovsky. Dan Orlovsky.

What's up, boys? Where were you yesterday? It looked like you were in the middle of getting interviewed for like a neighbor getting murdered. Yesterday, we were on site. We were at the stadium yesterday. No, you were not. Yesterday, you guys were on site for NFL Live,

but when you were on Get Up and First Take, you were sitting in this dimly lit room. Yeah, the lighting that they had was very bum, bum, bum, bum. You know what I mean? You were getting kind of – and you were on TV for four straight hours in that hotel room. It was a fantastic job by you. Yeah, not a blast. I flew home Sunday or I flew Sunday night from New York down there. Post lacrosse tournament did get up and first take from the hotel NFL live and flew back last night type thing.

Hey, we appreciate you. Don't. So you guys got some food there too. Ryan Clark was all jacked up. You know, he says game day gets food every single weekend. It's a segment on the show. So let's make it a segment on NFL Live every Monday so Swagoo and Ryan Clark can get some food.

Boys are out there battling. We appreciate them doing that. The least you guys could do is get them some food, Dan. Why don't you get a restaurant to do that? Usually, NFL Live is just from the studio in Bristol. Not on Mondays! Not on Mondays!

Bad teammate. Usually it is. I think we've been on site once or twice this year. NFL Live countdown. Countdown's on site. I've seen Swagoo and Ryan Clark all by themselves. With you guys back in

studio. I've seen it the whole time. Me, I've seen it. You're screwing over your teammates on NFL Live. That's on you, Dan. That's on you dan that's on me all right that's on me i'll take that one i'm down one i appreciate you being a good leader out there let's take care of them speaking of leadership leaders lead from the front big go uh tomlin says he didn't consult with gm omar khan or ownership before making the decision it was mine and mine alone all right so everything out of pittsburgh media this morning was wrong

yep okay that's good. We can move on. Let's talk about leadership from the front. Mike Tomlin, he just had his press conference at noon where he let it off with talking about the decision to move on from Matt Canada. Basically said it didn't get better quick enough, and he also said that he doesn't like putting blame on somebody else as the head football coach.

Kind of feels like it's a coward move, kind of is how he was talking. I feel like I should absolve all the blame whenever we're not doing well. Steelers fire a head coach or coordinator for the first time since 1941. Do you think this is the right move? And do you think this is potentially Mike Tomlin saying, all right, we got to figure out if this is Kenny Pickett or if this has been the offense as a whole before we go further as a football program?

Yeah, so it's the right move. It's the necessary move. And that's not's not like we all understand firing people isn't fun the reality is if i don't you know produce for espn they're gonna fire me too so that that's just the nature we all know that getting into the the real world that that's part of it so but it was the necessary move um you know there's there's too many instances where this offense, and you guys have had me layer out the predictability, the lack of explosion, the never creating an advantage. There's so many flaws within this scheme.

So at some point you have to sit there and say, are we helping the players or not? I think that's what it really comes down to. Were they ever creating an advantage for the players? More often than not, that answer was no. So you have to move on. I think this is a little bit of, hey, Kenny Pickett. You were going to ask me, like, what's the one thing that Kenny Pickett has to do now?

Kenny Pickett is going to have to win however many games they have left. I think six. So Kenny Pickett is going to have to win however many games they have left. I think six. He's seven. He's going to have to prove that he is willing and able to throw the ball past five yards down the field well. That's been the question mark really ever since he became their guy. Now, is that all on him?

That's a tough question. NFL quarterback, can you throw the ball five yards down the field or not? Yeah, it's five. But that's not all on him because he wasn't asked to do it like much or with an advantageous situation. Got it, okay. You know, like I put out this tweet of like what's going to be needed now for the offensive coordinators.

Okay, yeah. So, like first of all, way too many I'm throwing this route, but you're running this route situations for the pittsburgh steelers so that their new offensive coordinator i actually played for mike sullivan who i think is going to be calling their plays so like they got to get that right away and it's not just a dionte johnson thing it's all of those guys got to get on the same page number two i i said this the other day at the end of the cleveland game george pickens doesn't get a throw so they got to build some plays for george to get involved into their pass game.

Tie things together, formation and plays. So often they would just run a play. And then in the third quarter they would get into that same formation and there wouldn't be a counter to that play. So often when you get into a formation, there should be four or five different plays off of that play. So often, when you get into a formation, there should be four or five different plays off of that formation. When you get into a set, there should be a three or four or five, so you're forcing the defense to think a little bit. I think I can't count the amount of times

that they ran a play action off of some of their runs, because they've run the ball with those two runs relatively well. Their screen games stink. So i do think that there are areas that they can improve on to help everybody on their offense play better you're talking about the predictability of it so is naji harris whenever you run this formation and you're only running one play out of it it gets one play dude when there's guys like darius j butler on the other side who have massive brains and are studying and it's like okay when they get get in this, it's just this. Normally there's like three different options, four different options potentially coming, right?

Yeah, like you said, when you're breaking down film, you're looking at cut-ups and you get certain personnels or formations. And it's the same thing, like you said. You need at least four or five. You need some options. You need the same action. So if you're running inside zone, you need the same play action off of that inside zone look so that you see all the clips every week.

Guys getting sucked up on the second level. They're not going to get sucked up. Yeah, nobody's getting sucked up with the Pittsburgh offense. You guys weren't sucking anybody up with the way you guys were running. Yeah, the week goes. Especially in week 11. Yeah, the week goes. Matt Gander wasn't sucking anybody up with that offense.

That all seems like such a natural, easy. Grow up. Daniel, talking football. Grow up, dude. Dan. What's up, bud? We're on TV. Okay?

Yeah, nice. Keep it together. I'm a kid, dude. I'm a child. What do you want me to tell you, dude? Yeah, yeah. You have a lot of kids, too. You did great in that.

Good work, Dan. But doesn't that seem like malpractice, though? And you think Mike Tomlin was thinking to himself, we just keep winning. This guy sucks. We can't fire him. We're 6-4 right now. Do you wait for the Browns game?

All right, there was an L. Everything was bad. We can move on. We can finally make this decision. Or how do you think he got here at this exact moment? Why now as opposed to maybe any of the weeks of the past where these same exact things were being said about Matt Cannon's offense for like two three years now yeah when you're throwing away a season you know and that's part of like

again that goes back to the initial statement when when everybody knows what is the problem with your football team then as the coach you have to sit there and say, okay, I have a defense that plays their absolute tails off and gives everything they have every week, and they go into every game knowing that we're not trying to win the game on offense. I think I said this yesterday. There's no way that you could watch that offense play and say they're trying to win the game. They're just strictly saying, hopefully we don't lose it and as a coach you can't look at your defensive players in the eye any longer and say hey um we're gonna do what's best for the football team no we're not

we're not doing what's best if you continue to roll out this offensive coordinator and this isn't like a personal shot at them players you guys know like we're not doing what's best for the football team because we're not trying to score points and so i i think that's i don't know why mike tomlin held on to him as long as he did i don't have that answer but i know there's at some point you just become to an indisputable place where the move has to be made yeah and i think it's loyalty and just the way Tomlin has done it. Once again, first move like this in the Steelers franchise since 1941. It's just not something that happens in Pittsburgh, and that's why Steelers fans, I think,

were just expecting to ride out Matt Canada for the rest of this year. There's pressure on Kenny Pickett now, though, Pat. There is, man. Cone Diggs has a question for you about that. Yeah, Dan, no matter who the OC is, there was guys running open last week on some plays versus the browns there was one where dionte had a had a kind of a crossing route where he was

wide open it was like on the 15 or something like that is that kenny just directly staring at the line because he doesn't trust them can that be fixed or is it to a point where quarterbacks get broken where they can't it doesn't matter who the oc is. He doesn't throw down the middle of the field at all. Is that something that, does Mike Sullivan, since you know him, does he have a chance to help with that for the rest of the year, or are we just never going to find out? Yeah, so great question. A couple of things here.

And D-Buck can speak to this a little bit as well. I think, and I'm going to correlate this to Houston, I think one of the best things that's going on in Houston right now, coming off of the CJ Stroud sound this weekend, we was like, ah, Steph Curry doesn't stop shooting is so often when you take a young quarterback and you pair them with a defensive minded head coach from the jump, these quarterbacks here, Hey, we're going to play great defense. We're going to have great special teams. Don't give the ball away. Just protect the ball, protect the ball, protect the ball. And so you hear that over this

three, four, five, six month period, 18 months with Kenny Pickett. And so you start to become risk averse. You start to become, and I think you guys have probably heard me say this, Tom Diggs, is like, don't get me the quarterback who makes good decisions. Get me the quarterback who makes the right decisions. Any quarterback

can go make a good decision. Did you check the ball down? Great. That's a good decision. It's not a bad one. So by rule, it's a good one, but make the right one. And I think if you watch what's happened with Kenny Pickett, my guess is that he has heard that. We got a great defense. We got good special teams. All we got to do is don't give the ball away. And what happens is you become way more protective of the football. That's why I hate when people say protect the ball. No, you value the ball. And I think that's part of it. I don't know if he's scared of the rush or whatnot or doesn't trust the line. More so of like don't do anything that puts the ball in harm's way. And you start to play this very cautious style of quarterback.

You'll never be good long-term in this league playing that way. So that's the answer to your question in regards to Kenny. Can they do it more? Absolutely. Like you just got to empower these guys to – at some point you got to trust their eyes. You got to design plays to hopefully get number one or number two open you got to get them back into an attack mode and make sure that they're you like you believe in their decision making

and i think now mike sullivan i played for him he comes from the kevin gilbride like it is run and gun like it is going to be if you guys remember when victor cruz was playing with the giants and they were unbelievable and it was like just deep ball after deep ball with uh eli it's it's very centric on trying to attack defenses and run to where the vacancy is with the defense it takes a little bit of time to get used to, so that's kind of like a read-based offense. But they can build it. It's going to take a lot of effort, but I think that's the big thing with Kenny is getting him to realize,

hey, we've got to be aggressive with the football here. You're good at football. Throw the ball. Let it rip. You think he has that in him, though? Because, I mean, I understand that the defensive head coaching and it was winning. He was taking care of the ball defenses would be an opportunistic and in the fourth quarter he'll make a couple plays and they'll win but do you think it

has he has that in him being a first round pick you obviously want to go out there you want to get a second contract you want to put up points like you have a certain an ego as a quarterback at least all the good ones i've been around, like do you think Kenny has that in him? I think he's got the physical ability to throw the ball in chunks, D-Butt. I don't think he's got that physical ability to, you know, rip these 25-yard, you know, deep crossers or big ins or go balls down the field, no. But I think he can really be good in like the intermediate. That's what we need.

Is this the NFL? What are we talking about? these guys you know yeah but there's not how many how many guys do we believe are that arm talented wise where they could just garden shoe yep sure jordan love all right here's the perfect example here's the perfect example d but here's the perfect example do we think because i would sit here and say right now this dude when it comes to like getting chunk throws as good as anybody, Brock Purdy, but he doesn't have elite arm strength or arm talent. He's got guts. He's got anticipation and conviction.

Yes. And I don't see where Kenny. I mean, Purdy puts that. We're talking about deep. But the third word that you said is the most important conviction. Hate nasty. That kid, that young man, he trusts his eyes and he's going to let it rip. Now, every ball is not thrown through a keyhole.

Sometimes it's thrown over defenders with a little bit of touch. But that dude is convicted with what he sees. And he's not scared to make mistakes. Dan, you can't say what you just said. I don't want to get in this whole Brock Purdy's disrespected all the time thing, but you say he doesn't have a lead arc. He puts it in a keyhole. You said he doesn't.

He has. No, throw it through, like with a hay, or maybe the better phrase is like throw it through a windstorm where some of these guys just have arm strength that I'll throw it as hard as I want and it doesn't like Brock has this um and I think back to Kenny like can Kenny get to that level and I and I I think it's Kyle Shanahan goes hey man I'm gonna dial up these plays and don't worry these cats will be open you know and so like you get a high level of confidence and I think that

that's good if they can get kenny a little obviously it's not going to happen in seven weeks but a little bit to that i think he's capable yeah yeah man rude boys out there everywhere slinging the pill love everything about it d-butt has a question for you about the the process now in this entire yeah i saw i was uh i know you played for sullivan i'm not sure what was it faulkner? Yeah. The other guy? Okay, the combination of an offensive coordinator and then the other guy calling the plays. Like, how do you feel about that? How does that work throughout the week and then on Sundays?

Yeah, I've been at places that we had, like, a run game coordinator or a pass game coordinator or co-coordinator. I've never believed in that. I've never been a fan of it. But I don't know, like, the end-of-building situation, D-Butt. So I don't know if this is going to be, hey, Mike Sullivan's going to work because I believe he's been the quarterback coach. So he's going to continue to work directly with Kenny Pickett.

You don't want to remove him from that room. And Faulkner, I believe you guys said, is going to be the offensive coordinator. So he might be the guy that is running the meetings or helping build the install. I would imagine this is a collaborative effort. But this is, again, I think the necessity or the desire to keep Mike Sullivan as close to Kenny Pickett as possible on a day-to-day basis probably takes precedence here and play calling wise he's at least called plays in the nfl so that that's going to be a benefit to him but hopefully for them it's collaborative so when the offense coordinator is not the play caller what does that mean does that mean on game days they say i want to run the ball and then offense coordinator is calling plays has to call

run or how does that i'll like throw it deep right now call the right one how's that yeah i i don't necessarily know exactly how that'll get up because usually it's the head coach that's kind of handling the situational thoughts of hey third and three here we're gonna go for in our fourth and down do what you want or let's take our shot or hey let's really be focused on getting our run game going i I think that usually is going to come from the head coach. I don't know how it will go between those guys because at some point, I think a lot of times too, like you guys know this, these coaches get so ahead of stuff like, hey,

this is going to be our seventh, third, and fourth call. And so you just got to be very cautious of that, not just predetermining every play call and getting the feel for the game. So the coordinator is so often the guy that's building the plan, building the way that they want to attack the defense. And the play caller is the person that's calling the shot with 10 seconds or 12. Usually it's the same person, obviously, but that'd be interesting to see how it goes. Yeah. Will they both be on the sideline or one be up in the booth? Like, will Falkner be up in the booth with the eyes in the sky and Sullivan's on the sideline or one be up in the booth yeah like will falconer be up in the booth with the eyes in the sky and sullivan's on the sideline let him know what he sees i think you want sullivan on the

sideline still because my thing someone did this the other day in the nfl they took their coordinator and i read that no one was talking to the quarterback during in between series who was it and like you got it it might have been buffalo two weeks ago. Did they move their coordinator? And so you've got to have somebody. You've got to have somebody there in between series that's looking at pictures with the quarterback and going over what's the plan. Hey, tell me what you saw. What are the things that you're seeing?

Next time we get this, look, these are our thoughts. Hey, this is the plan for how we want to attack this. You've got to have somebody there. So I would imagine Mike Sullivan has been that guy, and I would want to keep him in that role. Yeah, whenever we learned about Matthew Canada being up in the booth and never calling plays from the sideline, then him going down to the sideline, them having success seemingly,

that's when that conversation kind of started for us. Like, yeah, you would want to be able to see guys talk to guys also feel if guys are having good days or bad days like you can tell if a guy is feeling it like hey we need to get this guy the ball seems like he has more juice today seems like things are going his way like feeling that is a big deal so being isolated uh i never really fully comprehended that move faulkner up up there, eyes in the sky, though. Sullivan, Diner. Them two figuring it out.

That first quarter, I'm excited to see if it's just Sullivan doing your thing. You got about 10 plays, though. You got about 10 plays. And then we see how it all goes. Pickens probably happy. Naj probably happy. Deontay probably happy. Jalen Warren.

Jalen Warren should be a feature part of their offense, too. Thank you, dude. Yeah, he's been like that since the beginning, too so thank you dude yeah don't he he's been like that since the beginning too it has been as soon as he got there pretty much he's been the explosion of their offense pretty much let's move away from the pittsburgh steelers let's go another place where the seats get a little bit hot seemingly yeah dano do you think the chargers as they're presently constructed can be fixed under brandon staley at least i mean it seems like you know they just they just continually find new ways to lose close games. And then post game,

uh, he, it was really weird. Like he kind of put the blame on the players and then in the end, like tied it up by saying like, but ultimately it's on me, you know, I, I gotta be better about kind of getting everyone to come together. Like, is there anything they can do or is it kind of getting everyone to come together. Is there anything they can do, or are we at the end of this stake and he needs to go, and what kind of coach do you think the Chargers do need to hire to kind of maximize this window they're in with Justin Herbert? No, I don't think they can, and I'm a massive fan of Brandon Staley's. The reality is that this is an underwhelming and underachieving football team. As underwhelming and as underachieving as we've seen in the NFL in two or three years.

This is as talented a group that we have had roster-wise in the NFL over the last two or three years as maybe two or three teams equal with them. Number one, defensively, no team. No team blows more coverages than the Chargers. Dude dude you go back to the lions game last week the first play of the game it's a blown coverage you go back this past weekend versus the the the packers there's three or four more blown coverages guys running into each other not passing things off so that's too consistently that's happening too consistently. The second thing is this. There's been no evidence that the people that are there right now can take Justin Herbert or have Justin Herbert take this team to a different level. There's no evidence right now.

And again, I'm never fun to say that, but we've seen Justin Herbert be historical in his first four years in the NFL, and they're like a 500 football team they're a 500 football team with a a roster that the year before they remember i think the year before two years before they drafted justin they were 12 and four and i the divisional round of the afc title game something like that so within two years the roster was really good they're absolutely loaded talent wise and you oh yeah you mean to tell me that they're a 500 football team with a quarterback who's historically good yeah yeah and the owner's saying the same thing he's been paying a lot of money

yeah i've paid a lot of money to a lot of people here how have we gotten worse during this entire thing you can tell that staley knows the coach has got to be the type of coach has got to be one that... Say it, Bill Belichick. Is this the rumor that you heard? Oh, yeah. You got yourself into some real shit with that. Remember that, Dano? That was awesome.

I don't know how other... I got to figure out a way to say like, hey, I'm a human being, so I've heard stuff. I'm not a reporter, but I have ears that people make fun of for their size, so I can share stuff that I'm not a reporter, but I have ears that people make fun of for their size, so I can share stuff that I've heard, but everyone gets all of their feelings about it.

Those are good ears. You got good ears. Yeah, I got a good set of ears, bub. They hear things. I don't know. Coach-wise, you sit there and say, is Justin Herbert broken? No. So it's not just hey, get a coach that fixes Justin Herbert. That's not the issue. You got to get a coach that fixes Justin Herbert that's not the issue you got to get a coach that fixes everything around Justin Herbert culture and I think that's probably

their their yeah their biggest charge what was the stat you just said 14 losses by three or fewer points since 2020 that's tough yeah some of it's like mismanagement at the end of games with some decisions yeah some of it's that field goals some of it's the other team getting lucky I mean that's gonna happen every once in a while. But there's just too much of that in one place to happen. It's like, are the football gods just not happy with him? Or is maybe something else kind of brewing? I think the Staley convo will be one that will be fascinating looking back.

Because he was on our show and we asked him, like, hey, you from the McVay coaching tree? Or what do you – he said, I come from the – Dave and Linda. Dave and Linda, his parents' coaching tree. They were tree? He said, I come from the Dave and Linda. Dave and Linda, his parents' coaching tree. They were both high school coaches, I guess, and that's how he views this whole thing. And his relationships with his players are paramount.

That's how he does. And the decisions he makes isn't because of stats. It's because of his belief in his players. He's like Ted Lasso. You know what I mean? Yeah. He's like Ted Lasso in there. And it certainly has not worked thus far with the Chargers.

This guy picked him to go to the Super Bowl the last three years. No, last year I did. I mean, you talk about Dan. The team that Tom Telesco has put together. I mean, that roster, obviously Justin Herbert's phenomenal. But it's almost like they just take turns messing up. Keenan Allen had some uncharacteristic drops. Johnston had the drop late down the sideline.

Eckler fumbled inside the five-yard line. So it's definitely not all on Staley. But when it's just this and that and this and that, you've got to rebuild that coach from the ground up for sure. You talk about drops for the Chargers. It's also a desire. That place is a desirable place right now for a coach. I mean, you have Justin Herbert.

And L.A. You're going to pay 80% taxes probably when it's all said and done. You start piecing it all together. So that'll be good. That'll be fun. Weather's nice. Beautiful weather. Stadium is awesome.

Although if it rains, it will come inside. Right. We've experienced that. You talk about it. 30-second pass defense, though? Damn, mention it. Is there a team that blows more coverages, man? Is there a team that you sit there and you go, my goodness.

It's bad. They were on a couple plays everything to be like we just bad alignment pointing fingers hey where you hear the romeo dobbs go ahead touchdown they're knocking each other off coverage like i mean that's that's that's a shit show and staley got that job being a you know defensive mastermind genius he's a quarterback who uh was a defense coordinator so he saw the game through a quarterback size on the defensive side has not worked out. You talk about there's drops for the Chargers. Let's talk about a big

drop last night. MVS has owned it. He went on to social media on X and said, hey, listen, to whom much is given, much is expected. I get it. I'm grateful. I'll be better, and I appreciate the criticism and the support. God put this on me because he knew I could handle it. Okay? Couldn't handle the ball last night. Oh!

Oh! Swing! Gratitude for everything that comes with it. You Couldn't handle the ball last time. Gratitude for everything that comes with it. You didn't deserve that MVS. I mean, this is going to happen. There's a minute 40 left. Who knows if the Eagles were to get the ball back, what they would do with it. Maybe Jalen Hurts does what Jalen Hurts has seemingly done since he got in the NFL, which is walk down the field and maybe win that thing for Philadelphia. So, although this is a detrimental loss for the Kansas City Chiefs and this drop

sucks, it would have been an incredible catch. Patrick Holmes would later say, I should have threw it a little bit shorter so we didn't have to dive for it, which is the epitome of professionalism. But let's talk about that Kansas City Chiefs team. They look different than they have in the past. Obviously, we're going to compare them to their best football that we've seen them play over the last few years all the time. Normally at the beginning of seasons, they start out slow. They don't cover. This year, the convo is they can't do what they've done in the past. They don't have enough weapons.

They don't have the right weapons. The offense looks sluggish. And Patrick Mahomes only has Travis Kelsey as a weapon. Last night, Justin Watson got targeted like 12 times or something like that. That's cool. Rice got loose a little bit. Pacheco runs hard. Then they were moving Tony into the backfield,

maybe get him a rock as a running back. What are your thoughts on the chiefs? Can they win it? And this Eagles team, all they do is win. All they do is win. The question is, can they continue to win ugly?

Yeah. That seems like all they do. They just win games. What are your takeaways from last night? And how do you feel about the chiefs? Yeah. Chiefs, chiefs can actually win it.

They're the best team in the AFC still. Honestly, I walk away from that game thinking the Chiefs are a better football team than the Eagles. If the Chiefs and the Eagles both played their A game, the Chiefs completely outplayed in so many different areas the Eagles. Except Patrick's interception in the red zone, it's a bad throw. Now it's a really nice football IQ played by Bayard, but it's a bad throw. So Patrick's probably not going to have that happen often. Kelsey fumbles, and honestly, if you watch the fumble,

Kelsey's actually trying to cover the ball with two hands. It's just a nice punch out by Roby. So take six points off the board there. And there's five drops, and one of them is for a guaranteed touchdown so I sit there and I go hey man like if if that doesn't happen now because I was watching you guys our first take this morning obviously we know some you know like hey are the Chiefs issues fixable yeah I easily their issues are penalties and bad situations and drops so if they can fix those things and i guess that's the giant if but i walk away saying man if if that does happen and i

at some point i think nfl guys catch the football i guess because i so i had them in germany right i had them for the dolphins game and i asked them point blank andy reed matt nagy patrick what do you like what's the deal with the drops? And they all said to a tee, like, we just have to focus on the ball. Like, we just, you know, and I was trying to watch the MVS. Yeah, but, like, even, like, the MVS drop, his eyes are there. So I don't really have a ton of concerns about the Chiefs. I don't.

I think it's when it, as the season goes and into the playoffs, I'm banking on those guys catching the ball, which is something that they can control. Penalties got to get pulled away. I'll say this about it. Two things about a little deeper into that game,

Pat. Number one, I do think it's fair to say that they got to get on the same page with throws down the field. That, to me, I do think it's fair to say that they got to get on the same page with throws down the field. That, that's been a look. That to me is more of an issue than the drops. Like if you, and Troy talked about it on the game cast or the telecast last night, Justin Watson down the sideline and Watson like is leaning in and Patrick throws the ball on the outside.

I think that's a miscommunication. I think Justin Watson has a post there. And for us offensive guys, like usually when we have a big post, that's a miscommunication. I think Justin Watson has a post there. And for us, offensive guys, usually when we have a big post that's usually going to run to the middle field and we get press, single high man, I've been at places. It's a little bit of an assumption by me, but I've been at places where you convert the post to a go route. And so Patrick throws it like a go route. Watson runs it like he doesn't see the coverage. So that's number one.

And then the corner route to the MVS, that's incomplete, I think, in the third quarter. Patrick throws it like he wants him to go higher, like essentially towards the pylon instead of flatter. And I think that's more of an issue for me than the drops is like getting on the same page. And then I do think Brian Johnson called a really good second half for philly and i got to give him credit for that because they don't like him dude like if you don't like i'm just telling you i'm saying hey the internet no what are they yeah but like if if you go watch the jalen hurts run d buttle can know this as well like the touchdown run, it's on third

down. First down, so if I ask D-Butt, who is Steve Spagnuolo's identity and got to have his situations? Down here, it's like here comes pressure. On first down, he brought all-out pressure. On second down, he brought all-out pressure. On third down, he brought all-out pressure, all of it from the field. So Brian Johnson does a great job of thinking, okay, here comes pressure from the field. I run away. And then if you guys have the clip of third and five, it's the play before the Devontae Smith bomb, like down to the one-yard line. To me, that's the play of the game. Because, again, in those situations, who's Steve Spagnuolo?

Well, they're going to double-team people. And he does an awesome job of motioning Devontae over. Devontae gets doubled on that play, and he does a great job of getting him into a stacked bunch, and the double team gets left all the way on the outside. Those guys are covering the sideline, and Devontae's open on third and five. I think that is the play of the game, so I got to give Brian Johnson credit. Okay, let's go to the other side. I don't think we have that play. We'll try to find it for you by the end of this whole thing, because that was the play of the game in Dan Rolofsky's eyes. And you said something in that answer.

It was maybe the most TV answer I've ever heard said. Last night, I learned that the Chiefs were a better football team than the Eagles when the Eagles just beat the Chiefs. That was maybe the most TV thing I've ever heard. It was awesome. And then you dive into it. It's like, oh, I get it. They're both going to play perfect games.

You feel like the Chiefs are further along than the Eagles are at this point. But the Eagles, you know, Roby punched punched that thing out so even though he was great punch they make plays you know what i mean they're probably saying the reason why they didn't play a perfect game is because they were playing us that's what the eagles have done in a long long time now let's talk about that guy right there travis kelsey so there's a large portion of that game last time where he didn't get the ball you know just justin watts a guy white wearing number 80 something's getting the rock and if you're just watching you're like oh is that trap no oh is that travis oh oh is that travis it's not aren't we at the point now and i know he's getting double teamed and taken away on third

down red zones where normally he would feast and everything you know aren't we at the time where andy reed needs to maybe drop some plays to make him open you know what i mean like isn't it because everything is always like well tra, Travis runs Travis routes. He just kind of gets open. He figures it out. Well, when you have a safety in a corner or a linebacker and a safety on him every single time he does anything, he's never going to technically be open. Can we not get to the point where we get creative with Travis Kelsey a little

bit to maybe feed him some balls early so we get him in there? He's a skilled player. He needs to get in there early, I think. Don't you think so? Yeah, great question. So my answer is two-part. So great question. I think they are doing it a little bit, Pat.

It's just that, you know, like teams are following him. Teams are dedicating people to him. I mean, he's getting double and triple teamed. You know, you can only design football plays so much or try to hide guys so many different ways. You know, you can only design football plays so much or try to hide guys so many different ways. I do think, like, the other part of this is they have tackle issues. Both of those tackles are not great right now, and they haven't been all season. Travis so often is the person that has to help in protection. Like, if you watch a lot of those plays, they'll either start Travis there or motion Travis down.

He had a great block last night. Did you him on that right run play coming to the left i think he turned sweat like it was like a full-on not known for his blocking yeah no travis don't know more like pass protection pat like for like a chip a chip or something to try to help those guys so you know when you have a little bit of the tackle issues and then you're going against Philly and he's getting double teamed, it's like if he's going to get double teamed, why not take the double team, waste it, have him chip to help with the protection, and then allow some of those other guys. Last night, the issue was not getting open last night.

The issue was actually catching the rock. So I think they're trying, but they're in a tough situation with those tackles. Yeah, I think it was like a full quarter before Travis was even targeting everything. It was like, damn, dude, is Travis Kelsey playing football tonight? Let's get that guy the rock. Here's the play you were talking about. Play of the game.

Ladies and gentlemen, let's go to the play of the game brought to you by Verizon. Here with Dan Orlovsky. Watch the safety and the guy, the corner outside. D-Bud can talk to look at they both get stuck outside he's getting aj brown and him both get double teamed there but they do an awesome job of getting him on the inside and then like the tight end widens and he widens with them so both the defenders kind of play over the top and that's where he becomes

uncovered in the middle so again brian, Brian Johnson calls that perfect play. No one. Okay, Spags, you double the two best guys in this situation, and he gets him into a position where he gives him a chance. Now, Devontae runs a really nice route, but he gives him the best chance. I think there's a replay coming here. Yep, here we go. Yeah, so look at it.

Watch how those two chiefs how the those two to cheese yeah that's bad that's bad by edwards edward edwards got to stay inside that's the we used to call it zampisi follow um but obviously that first one's going to clear out the crosser and when you have that double team edwards i don't know why you're outside of watson's outside so that's i think that's a sequence one of those, can we not give Travis Kelsey one of those? Yeah. Can we not give Travis? But see the Devontae release? Yeah. Like him releasing outside, that has to help him just a little bit, right? Oh, for sure.

That just helps, you know, to time it. It's part of the timing of the route. Yeah. Obviously, when you have two dedicated to – it's really four over three. So you're going to have an extra guy. Yes. You want to be on the same – on different leverages. You can't both be outside leverage.

But that is a great play design, and obviously knowing what's coming with Spaggs, great execution, great patience, and a good throw from Hurts, too. Play of the game. Yeah. I mean, I love, I mean, it's third and five, they don't get it. The slot fade's a great play, but, like, that's just Devontae

just running by a safety, you know, like, obviously. That's the thing, that's the difference between us and Dan Orlovsky. We see a third and five like that, we go, hey, that was a big-time pickup. Dan goes, play of the game. Boom, right there. Play of the game right there. That's why we love you. We appreciate you so much.

Have an incredible day. You got NFL Live today like you did yesterday? Yeah, yesterday. Yeah, NFL Live today, SportsCenter. And then no work tomorrow, bub. No work tomorrow. Well, enjoy yourself. You deserve it. Ladies and bub. No work tomorrow. Well, enjoy yourself. You deserve it.

Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Orlovsky. Thank you, buddy. Thank you, Dan. Part of that Kelsey shit is nobody else puts any fear in the defense. That last player, they said, Broby said on MVS, he runs by him, drops the ball. But you game plan it. It's Kelsey, run game. But then once they get in that red area, it gets tougher.

That's when Kelsey starts getting open and designs some things. Pacheco was moving. Yeah. I don't know why they stopped giving him the ball. Yeah. Like, I have nothing but respect for Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, everybody over there. But this dude runs so hard.

And he's getting nine-yard gains, and he's celebrating. Like, I appreciate the way this guy, everything he brings to the field whenever he's on there. And he's been like this since jump out of Rutgers. He runs through the ground every single step, every time he has the ball. And in the first half, they're going, going, going, going. Then they take him off the field. They bring in Tony at running back, which I assume that was a bi-week ad.

Like, hey, we're going to get this guy into the backfield. Maybe add a little spunk. He did good there, too. But in return, you have to take Pacheco off the field, I guess. There's just a lot of stuff going on whenever you see a team not be as great as you expect them to be because they're the Kansas City Chiefs that you start pointing at. And this, and this, and this.

And I think what me, Orlovsky, and maybe some others are saying, they'll figure it out. They will figure it out over there. Patrick Mahomes said he gave an answer of some sort about how he was asked about how Tom Brady's regular season is about finding your identity. Like that's all the regular season was for. Now you need to win games, but let's find our identity. Let's get better for whenever football actually matters.

I think it's a Bill Belichick method. It isn't until Thanksgiving that these games actually matter. I think this Chiefs team right now is still trying to figure out with this new team that we have. It's not going to look like the same team we had before, but with this new team, I think Andy Reid's going to be able to figure it out personally. And until he doesn't,

I will continue to pay him the respect that his brain is a big one. Well, and it's like the first Chiefs team I feel like we've seen at least where the defense is a massive strength of the entire team. So you would think that it's probably harder to do in just saying it, but if they just run the football and play defense, they're going to win so many games just because of how good they are

on both sides of the ball. One of five teams on the AFC with three losses. That's at the top of the AFC right now. And then there's four lost teams, five lost teams. There's even six and seven lost teams that are still in it because of the damn AFC being so damn tight. So is it fixable? Absolutely.

Is the AFC gettable for everybody? Absolutely. Even that Pittsburgh Steelers team with a brand new looking offense this weekend, Ty. Do you think part of it's all like no disrespect to MVS, but Dan saying, hey, they just got to catch the ball, and they will.

Drops have kind of plagued him throughout his entire career. You can't wait to get that out there. No, I loved MVS. I was sad to see him leave the Packers. I really was because he is a true deep threat. But this has been an issue of his for a while now. So is it as easy as just all of a sudden they're going to start rolling and he is going to start catching these deep balls?

Who knows? Put some jugs machines out there. There you go. Need more jugs machines in Kansas City. Use them. This now is a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner, a father of

10, president of Ohio, and a COVID survivor. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawker. A.J., firing of an offensive coordinator. Are you growing your hair out? Are we doing hair? No, I need a haircut. It's not going to be for a while now. Thanksgiving really threw that off, so yeah, I might grow it out for a little bit. Okay. Hey, could you imagine you just grow that thing straight out?

Yeah. Bring it back. Yeah, the jawline will be in it. We get a whole thing going. That'll be awesome. Firing of an offense coordinator middle of the season. What does that mean in your eyes? And how do you think the whole team will respond, A.J. Hawk? Well, especially for this being the first time in franchise history, correct, that they have fired a coordinator in season?

1941 is what the ESPN stats people said. First time a head coach or coordinator has been fired during the season by the pittsburgh stealer since 1941 long time ago long time yeah long time ago yeah that's a big deal obviously and i saw a lot of uh tomwin's presser saying it was all me i was a bit surprised when he basically is taking all of it saying hey i didn't even ask the gm or the owner i just did this is that how operations normally go over there? It hasn't happened since 1941. So I don't know if that's how it normally goes. But I think Tomlin has always been pseudo-GM, head coach, decision maker,

whenever he wanted, pretty much. Isn't that kind of how it's always been viewed over there? Yeah, but I was shocked to hear, like, you don't go to the owner and say, Hey, Mr. Rooney, I'm letting Matt Canada go today. Like, I was shocked to hear that,, you don't go to the owner and say, hey, Mr. Rooney, I'm letting Matt Canada go today. Like, I was shocked to hear that, that he didn't even tell them. Yeah, but also, he probably sent them a memo. They've been communicating throughout the season, I would imagine, where, okay, like, this is, we have to have plans for all kinds of situations.

Yeah, send them a smoke signal, let them know it's coming. Like, hey, there's about to be some news. What is it? I just, who? The guy we all hate. signal. We'll let him know it's coming. Like, hey, there's about to be some news. What is it? I just. Or. Who? The guy we all hate. Or. Got rid of him.

Maybe he couldn't tell them because they would have said no. And then. So that was, there was mixed reports coming out of Pittsburgh this morning from like actual Pittsburgh Steelers media. People that have covered the Pittsburgh Steelers for a long time, been in the building for a long time. Know a lot of people that have either formerly played for the Steelers, worked for the Steelers, or are currently working for the Steelers. The one report was Art Rooney's second.

Art Rooney named after his grandfather. He's the one that actually fired offense coordinator McKenna. Then that spurred other reporters of the Pittsburgh Steelers to be like, you know, Art Rooney was the one that hired him. And then that led to the conversation like, oh, has Tomlin not been allowed to fire this guy this entire time? So maybe that is why Tomlin came out and was like, y'all better relax. Okay, I can fire a coach if I want to fire a coach.

There's been a lot of chitter-chatter around here. But he also said and alluded to in a press conference that you talked about that started at noon today as we went live, he basically said, I do not like this because this makes him feel as if he's pawning blame off on somebody else as the head coach i respected that take out of mike tomlin aj oh absolutely i know he he even said in his press like with all transparency like he talked about how tough of a decision it is and it's true like we look at them like they're not human some people dress up as them for halloween at times and want to mock the whole situation but know there's humans involved, and something like this affects a bunch of people down the line. So, yeah, it's a big deal to let a coordinator go.

There are humans involved. He was not one of them. What? You said you were just him. We literally just said, we don't know if he's a good guy. Here's what Tom Diggs tweeted today as soon as the news came out. That's him on the left there dressed up as just Matt Canada. That's what he said. I'm just Matt Canada.

You look like you dress up like a devil. No, no, no. Just Matt Canada. That's how it is. This is how Yenzers and Steelers fans have felt about the guy who got fired this morning for some time. Basically, you ripped off the Independence Day speech. Is that what happened? That's how you took that? Yeah, kind of. Is that what everybody

else is saying? There's bits and pieces from there. You got to influence a little bit. One of the best speeches of all time. If you were to Google it, some words would match. Bill Pullman? Yeah, it's Bill Pullman. He rallied America on it. I'm not going to do it again.

Dude, he started out the show, bro. He started out talking about centuries. 2021st century. The history of dictators, this guy. Walls, talking about the Berlin Wall going down. That's how he described Matt Cannon, like as a dictator that has been holding their happiness as a sacrifice in Pittsburgh

with his terrible play calling and kind of just besmirching the entire franchise. We had to go to fake grocery stores. They weren't real grocery stores because we were just fed crack and things like that. Slop. Yep. What?

I didn't know you were going to double down on this. Yeah, it went all the way to North Korea. Thank you. I had no idea. Yeah, Kim Jong, they say he's quite a meth peddler. Yeah, big meth guy. Yeah, that's what they say. Oh, really?

They say we've been on top of the Jim Kong news long before anybody else, and I don't know if now's the time, but we did commit a good four to five months of our show to Kim Jong-un and the happenings around North Korea. And just so happens, while we're in the middle of that, a lot of things started happening.

And all of a sudden, this guy shot an 18 and 18 holes of golf. Yeah, right. Holy hell! You know what I mean? That was the stuff we started learning. He was an incredible fisherman, too. I think he pulled the biggest fish out of the – Oh, yeah.

I saw him dunk from the free throw line. I saw him dunk from the free throw line. Yeah, there was a lot of things we were learning about him because he was crossing in the sports. So he kind of forced to do that. He beat Rodman's ass in a game of one-on-one. Yeah, we didn't like it, but it was kind of our thing. But, yeah, Tone basically called Matt Canada a dictator,

and that's what he said. So to say he's a human, we would like to echo that sentiment and the way Tone speaks and dresses about Matt Canada is not necessarily how we feel. But we do think that there is a chance for real opportunity here for not only Pittsburgh Steelers, but Kenny Pickett. They're still in the middle of it all. Six and four, winning record.

People would die to have that record right now in the AFC when if you rattle off a couple wins, all of a sudden you're climbing quickly in the conference standings. The Steelers could do that with that defense. We heard Dano. He said really the only thing they need to do to unlock it is Kenny Pickett just needs to realize

hey, I just got to confidently throw it more than five yards down the field and everything's going to be okay. And he hasn't been able to do that so far, but who knows? Maybe Matt Canada was the guy who was kind of holding him back. That was the litmus test in Dan Orlovsky's eyes. Kenny Pickett's just got to be able to complete passes of five and a half yards and more.

Then he buried Brock Purdy. This is the NFL. Then he said, you know, guys like Brock Purdy, they don't have good arm talent. And they're able to, they're able to. It was wild. Really? It was wild. I heard most of it.

I didn't hear that part. Yeah, he said he's not throwing it through a windstorm or anything. And then he was like, hey, Shata, rude boy. Yeah, I'm on to me. He came out of nowhere. Yesterday. Yesterday. I was so flustered.

I didn't know. It was a great conversation. It always is a good convo. Every time. Speaking of good convos, ladies and gentlemen, it's time to talk to a man who is defying all medical conversation. His return after an Achilles blow is something that the world is admiring from afar and from close range.

Megan Rapinoe in her last ever soccer game blew her Achilles just a couple minutes in. And immediately afterwards, as she was trending number one on X and on Twitter, she said, I'm calling this guy to find out how I can recover quickly. That's going to be the new norm with how this guy's been handling this particular season. Ladies and gentlemen, the 39-year-old quarterback of the New York Jets, four-time MVP Aaron Rodgers. How you doing, man?

I'm good. Back in the rehab facility, man. Back in the Achilles factory. Okay, man. Back in the Achilles factory. Okay, let's talk about the Achilles factory. You're in there. A lot of sports pundits have been chit-chatting about your return to the Jets, especially now with how bad the New York Jets have looked on television with all of us watching. Has there been a little bit of a conversation in your mind about slowing down rehab because maybe the Jets won't still be in it whenever you can finally get back on the field?

No, not at all. I mean, I find those two are mutually exclusive. You know, my speed at which I'm doing the rehab has been kind of the same from the beginning. It's to push it as hard as we can every single day. And, you know, as long as we're not stretching the Achilles, you know, we feel like we're in a good place. So I'm thankful to, you know, Doc and Heather and Double A

and my IPC that's inflating right now. That's a good machine. That's a good machine. That machine's been doing it. All the modalities that we're doing. But, no, we're going to push it as hard as we can. Listen, there's been some four and six teams that have made runs over the years back in 2016 there was a team in in the nfc north that people were counting out they went on a run

ty probably remembers this one oh yeah one eight in a row and went to the nfc championship game there was a team in 2009 in the big apple, well, Jersey. There was four and six, finished nine and seven, went to the AFC Championship game. So, listen, the season is definitely not over. It's not dead. There's a lot left to play for. I'm excited about where I'm at in my rehab, and things are progressing as quickly as I thought they would once I've been able to jog on a treadmill and excited about getting back to the team and seeing where I'm at. Okay, so you're saying jog on a treadmill is what you're –

there was a video. Jay Glazer had a couple updates. He said you're back December 2nd. That's kind of the goal. December 2nd is the goal. And also you sent a video to the Jets where the Jets people were like, holy shit. Whoa.

That's what they were saying. What was the video and December 2nd actual date that you're eyeing to get back to football? That's a Saturday. It's also my birthday. I'm not exactly sure where he got that date from. I have said that I'd love to be, you know, trending towards practicing by my birthday. Maybe that, you know, being with telephone

got back that I wanted to, you know, but I don't think there's any reason in opening, you know, designated to return off of IR on a Saturday, unless you're going to activate me on a Sunday. So I don't think that that's necessarily the way things are going as far as specific dates. But, yeah, I sent, you know, I like to keep in touch with the guys and let them know what my progress is. I just sent a couple of the boys a video of me on the treadmill. You know, they're interested in my rehab and where I'm at.

So I've been back to the facility in a few weeks. Obviously, we played Vegas, and then I wasn't back in Buffalo. But just keeping them updated on where I'm at. Can we run that video? Yeah, where is it? No, I don't know how to do that. I would have to send you the video, and then you'd have to run the video. It's pretty easy.

It's nothing special. then you'd have to run the video. It's pretty easy. It's nothing special. It's just me on the Ultra-G running at a certain mile per hour with a certain body weight percentage. Don't want to run it, though. If it was to happen to get to my phone, we do not want to run that for the people.

Yeah, definitely don't want to do that. Okay. All right. It did look good, though. If it's a video that i saw it is a hell of hey you're doing it dude you are in the middle of doing it like that video i'm not on the jets obviously but when jay glazer said he saw some videos they lost their mind if it's the same video that i potentially just saw like hey for real it is bananas what

you're doing right now and you keep saying back and to say no real developments in rehab. No real this, you know, kind of a slow week. And then all of a sudden it's just like boom, boom, boom. You're crushing it, man. You're crushing it, man. Before AJ jumps in, I didn't see the the glazer. You must have done it on Fox. Is there a way I can get a reenactment

from somebody on the panel? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right. Listen, I have it within, yeah. Yeah, you're right. Listen, I have it within good reason. I got sources everywhere in New York, obviously. I'm a fucking legend in New York. Oh, no. He's got one.

Oh, no. Jake Weiser's not even on the show. He's got one. That's the first time I've done that. Thanks, Ty. You got it. Alright's all I wanted right there. That's the first time I've done that. Thanks, Ty. You got it. All right, AJ. Thanks, Jay.

Hashtag Jay New, didn't he? Jay New. Always does. Yeah, geez. I think we played Ty and Jay. No, Ty's still clean. That was not it. A half we're going to have to.

We're at eight days, by the way, with no F. That was our best. Is that the guy from, is that the guy over there from Wachita reporting live from Wachita it's going to be tough to live that one down right to Barry's face Aaron right to his face so everyday now because of rehab

and it's fantastic and that was a good moment it was good for the program great for the program. Yeah. Great for the program. I mean, there's not a lot of times where Barry Sanders is speaking where you're like, Barry, shut the hell up. We got to address something. What the hell did you just say?

What did you just say? And I caught myself. I was going to say it the right way. You were. I'm like, I don't know if that sounds right. Which is? That's weird. Got to be Wachita.

Got to be. Anyways, all right, let's move along. Great to see you back. Great to hear you're almost back. Close to your birthday, too. Cool stuff. AJ has a question for you. Hey, you mentioned you want to strain your Achilles.

You don't want to stretch it. I would assume at some point in the rehab process you have to stretch that thing, right? AJ. That was almost as bad as Wachita, but I never said I want to strain. I don't think that's a good thing, strain my Achilles. You don't want to stretch it. We don't want to stretch it. No, no, no, no.

Let's go back to what you actually said. You said strain, right? Yeah. No, I don't want to strain my Achilles. I want to stress it. Stress my Achilles, but I don't want to stretch my Achilles. So when do we stretch the Achilles? I would assume that's a box you've got to check before you try to get back on the field with the boys December 3rd.

It's coming up. Yeah. I don't even know what the question was. When are we stretching this thing? We've been doing a lot of stressing. We have to stretch it eventually, right? When are we stretching it? We've got to stretch it eventually. We've got to keep strengthening it.

A lot of it happens once I get my heel all the way on the ground, which usually doesn't happen for 12 weeks. Obviously, we're way ahead of common protocol. The jogging, I think, has exponentially improved the strength. it's kind of

sped up like I thought I would, uh, the rest of the healing. So, um, after some weeks where it was kind of slow going, where I couldn't notice a lot of big gains, once I got on the treadmill and was able to increase the speed above a walking pace, uh, things have progressed pretty nicely the last few weeks. Okay, and every day that you run, I assume there's a full post-run test, like how do we do, is this thing swollen, is there a reaction? What are those? What are the things we're looking for afterwards where we're checking boxes saying,

yes, good workout, or we've got to slow down a little bit? You don't want any pain in the heel. Because it's anchored in the heel now, that can take some of the stress off of the Achilles as you're strengthening it and taking it through normal movements. So you're paying attention to heel pain, paying attention to soleus, and right down the Achilles if there's any issues. There haven't been. I mean, it's been really good. My calf definitely gets fatigued on both sides because I haven't run

in so long. A lot of positives. It's been a lot of really positive days the last couple weeks. Honestly, that's why I didn't... It's been so nice to be able to be around the guys. I've done multiple cross-country flights to see those boys, and I love it.

And it, you know, gets me through some of the doldrums and the dog days of rehab. But it also does kind of set the rehab back a little bit because I'm flying 12 hours, and then it kind of takes a day or two to kind of get back to neutral where I was. So because my return to the Jets was imminent as far as spending the rest of the season with them, I felt like to be able to have a stretch of like 10 straight days of rehab, especially with what I'm doing on the treadmill, it was in my best interest to not do the 12 hours of flying, get back to a few days of rehab and go back out. I felt like it was best to uh to grind through these

10 days it sucked to not be there with the guys obviously we had a rough performance but um i'm excited to get back there this week and see the fellas and and uh cheer them on and you know again we're not out of it a lot of people are going to count us out and there's obviously been some changes but um a lot can happen a lot left in the season and and it just takes like I said in 2016 like I'm sure they said in 2009 sometimes it just takes one to kind of reset everything get guys back confident and and then you never know what can happen not only one game one play too right I think you've talked about that in the past how it takes like one play that can really just spark it all obviously Zach Wilson has been benched for the foreseeable future.

They've also signed Trevor Simeon today. So Tim Boyle, Simeon in that quarterback room, and that's it. Yeah, those two and Zach. Okay, and obviously December 2nd on his birthday. Oh, yeah. This guy here. You see what happens to Zach? I assume you sent a message.

Well, let's talk about Tim Boyle. There's been a lot of people chit-chatting about tim boyle we know you are a massive fan of his a lot of people are saying that's the only reason why he's potentially in a position that he's at because the stats don't don't paint a great story for tim boyle anywhere over this whole thing why do you think he is the guy who has been not only in your quarterback room but in the nfl for a while five years now i think at this point where maybe some on-field performance in the past hasn't looked as great is this offense just one that he understands well and what do you expect from tim boyle in his game playing with the new york jets here while we wait for your return well first of all you got to fix that

graphic because it says packers two years one touchdown 13 interceptions i can promise you that's not accurate. Okay. All right. Hey, maybe. Pick the graphic in the back, whoever put together that graphic. That's the U-Cost. Yeah, it was just copy-pasted from the one above it there.

Yeah. All right. That's right. That one got missed. He had 0-0 for the Packers. He threw zero touchdowns, zero interceptions. Okay. So he added 13 interceptions to his world there.

That's a little bad, Alec Gray. That's on it. We're part of the Alec Gray. We're part of the problem. We're part of the problem. That's on us. Well, I think, first of all, you can't have it both ways. You can't talk about certain players, whether it's a quarterback or a skilled player, about how great they did in the preseason and then diminish it when it doesn't kind of fit your narrative. Preseason football is what it is.

I always feel like the practices, the inner squad stuff, when you bring another team in are very, very important and great as far as evaluation, but the preseason matters as well. And if you watch the way that Tim played in the preseason, I think you'd be pretty damn impressed with the way that he commanded the offense, the throws that he made. I thought he was accurate. I thought he was anticipatory I thought he was, you know, anticipatory.

Did some really good things. So some people like to, you know, not give a lot of credence to the preseason. That's fine. But in live bullets, I thought he did really well. He's had a couple chances over the years in Detroit and Chicago. It's just about understanding what we're trying to do and getting the ball out quickly and getting the ball into our guys' hands. And, you know, I'm happy for Tim.

I love Tim. He's a great dude. He cares about it. He's a gym rat, always has been. You know, there's been a few guys over the years, my backups, him being one of them, Scotty Tolzien being another one, Matty Flynn, guys who, you know, really were just kind of gym rats, always in there, gamers, you know, spend the time in of gym rats, always in there, gamers,

you know, spend the time in, experts of the offense. Tim's always fit that mold. He's always been the guy. I remember the first time we were in Green Bay with the Flores new staff came in, and like the first week there was like a test on the formations and stuff. And, you know, I'm old school West Coast. I'm used to, you know, specific set of terms for them, and they're putting up South and Swamp and Stack and all these things. I don't know what the hell, you know, specific set of terms for them, and they're putting up south and swamp and stack and all these things.

I don't know what the hell, you know, I was just kind of guessing up there, and it was like one of those tests that we have on our iPad, and Tim got 100%. And I was like, what the hell have you been doing? He said, studying. So Tim has always been an expert of the offense and understood, you know, all the intricacies. He's now just got to go out there and execute and and do it at a high level um but again you know we we uh we need a spark and

obviously this was uh the decision that was made i feel for zach i love zach you know zach's such a great kid and i do think he still has a bright future in the league this has been a tough go for all of us a lot of times in these situations there's certain guys that got a scapegoat. And I think there's enough blame to go around a number of different positions. You know, if you have 10 guys doing it right on a play and one guy not, it's hard to be efficient. Yeah. Go ahead.

Go ahead. Well, I was going to say, Zach is taking a lot of heat. And now everybody's – you saying you think he's going to be good in the NFL still is a big statement because everybody's just assuming he's done you know because coach Charlotte talked about it today or yesterday at the press conference about we'll handle this in the offseason so I don't think there's a plan to go back to Zach in this particular season so then what is the next step he might just get caught in that cycle you know what I mean where that that whole that whole thing you really never know in this league. You never know what could happen.

This was obviously not the way any of us thought this was going to go down. It was going to be me and my show and Zach getting to learn and watch it firsthand and not have the pressure to go out there and play. So obviously this is disappointing. I have some personal guilt around the whole thing. I'm pissed that I wasn't able to play and frustrated that, you know, if I was out there and I feel like I'd be playing well, there would be obviously different narratives around our team. And Zach would, again, have the opportunity to learn and grow

and see what it looks like without the pressure on and being able to sit in those meetings and go through the season and just kind of watch me in my process. So I'm, you know, disappointed and sad about that, but it is what it is. It's the situation, and we're all going to support Tim and move forward, but we're also going to put our arms around Zach and love on him because he's a great kid, and it's not all his fault, and this is the way it goes sometimes.

Yeah, the NFL is tough business. Great sport, tough business, I think was your quote in this entire talk. Good sport, tough profession, I think is how you kind of laid it out. And when you described – Tough profession, tough business. Oh, there it is. Good profession, tough business. Great quote.

But Zach Wilson is experiencing that. Let's talk about you watching the film. You know, we saw Robert Sala give an entire promo about the silent tape. You know how much it means to me? It's just you. It's not the narratives. It's not watching the film. You know, we saw Robert Sala give an entire promo about the silent tape. You know how much it means to me. It's just you. It's not the narratives. It's not in the crowd. It's not the commentators.

It's just you in the film. When you watch that film and you said you think that if you were playing, there would be a different narrative about the Jets, do you see an offense that you think, if you were to be dropped in there, would have success? Because a lot of people wonder if the offensive line that was being questioned before the season started is worth you coming back, even if there is a chance for you to go on a playoff run.

When you watch that film, you think to yourself, yes, this Jets offense can be good, or there's opportunity for this Jets offense to be good, if you were in there potentially as a master of this offense that you've known for 16 years with Hackett and the West Coast system? Yeah, I mean, that's a tough question, Pat, because I think that brings in a lot of a lot of bust throwing. Ultimately, it's a hypothetical. It's a hypothetical thing. Listen, I I'm confident in my abilities and what I've accomplished in this league and and joked about some of my down years being career years for guys. But I do believe in what I'm

capable of. I believe in the offense. I think that there's obviously a lot that I can bring to the table based on my experience. You know, I got, you know, I got some pelts on the wall. I've done things in this offense where it allows me to do some extra stuff. That's in the offense, but it's, you know, it's, you got to kind of earn some of those things, some of those adjustments, some of those, you know, little things you can do out there. But, no, I think we've obviously had a number of different offensive lines that have played, a lot of injuries up front. You know, Makai even going down in the game, you know, doesn't help either.

So multiple left tackles, multiple. I think everybody except for Lake has, you know, missed significant times. So that definitely makes it tough. But who knows? It's hypothetical. I feel like, you know, obviously if I had success in this offense and would expect to if I was playing. But I'm not going to throw anybody under the bus.

Hey, that was a good answer because what you said about the Giants last week after Ty's question, if you do recall, that was unbelievable. Would they cut two seconds of me repeating what the question was the thing though is i feel like we're getting to a point where people are like that's not real you know yeah it feels like on the internet now we're getting to a point where people are like nah man and that's good i think for society as a whole not just obviously this particular program felt like nobody really believed it. I hope not, especially all these deep fakes. The deep fake on Jim Harbaugh is pretty amazing.

I watched it as a host of a live show. It's going to get real difficult going forward on what's real and what's not. AI is good. Oh, yeah. AI is a talented video shop editor. I mean, they are very good. But, yeah, it's only getting better and better. But I think people are sticking up for the truth, hopefully,

which obviously isn't the norm in recent history. Go ahead, AJ. Aaron, what are your thoughts on AI and all this, everything going on? I would assume you have some strong beliefs on this. And where do you think, like, what is the end game? Are we okay? Are we going to be safe? That's a great question.

Great question. Depends. I think there's some issues with AI for sure. He has an answer. Yes. You've thought about this. That's what this sounds like. Floor is yours.

Very pumped about this. I think the thing that I do feel pretty good about is there's certain fields that AI just can't replicate the human experience. And I would hope that there's still a lot of areas, especially in art and entertainment, where AI can't eliminate those jobs. I think the freedom of expression that we see in art, whether it's music or painting or sculpture or whatever that stuff is, it's just so uniquely human. And I hope that that, although there are some amazing AI programs that can do things for you in that realm,

there's nothing like the human subjective interpretation of life as expressed through art. So I hope that that doesn't change. I think we've all seen a lot of interesting movies around AI that show maybe more of a dystopian future around it. You know, the iRobot is one that comes to mind. Shut up. Will Smith doing it?

Yeah. Anytime you put the powers that be in charge of things that can directly affect our life, you've got to be really careful because unchecked power can definitely corrupt. So I wouldn't trust a whole lot of those powers that be to make any decisions on the behalf of humanity that are in the humanity's best interest. So I think we we got to keep taking care of the humans at this point. Hell yeah. Be smart about how much AI. Humans, humans, humans, humans. We're doing it. We're the ones.

It's us. That's what we got to remember out here. I mean, but how many people want to get linked up to a computer in their brain and have every inch of Google's database in their mind at an instant. That'll be interesting. People are already getting, you know,

their, their bank account stuff chipped into their, their body as well. I think it's a slippery slope at some point. Yeah. Who's doing that? Everything just, and you see that new phone that the Apple,

I'll call them traders cause they left Apple to go create something to compete with Apple. But they're super big brains, former execs. They got this thing now. It's like a little clip, and it just shoots, and it's your home screens on your hand all of a sudden. So it's a phone. Whoa. Yeah, you just go ahead and it plugs in the whole thing. I think that's what the future looks like.

Or if you don't have a hand. I think you shoot on your arm or your nub. Under the nub. Whatever it is. On your other hand, maybe. Yeah. I don't know. Honestly, still i think you shoot on your arm under the nub whatever it is on your other hand maybe yeah i don't know honestly that's a good question i just want everyone to go arms yeah if you got yeah the pin doesn't work if you do it with no hands no it doesn't work like a bed sheet maybe somebody's gonna have to walk around with it. Yeah. They're a caretaker.

Well, no. It's going to be efficient. You've got to be rocked up. There are no legs. I don't think you're moving around. Anyways, what you wanted to say, Aaron, and I don't think I cut you off before you could get to it. The AIs can't play football. Nope. Nope.

End of story. That is all we need to talk about. Not yet. What? They never can, AJ. Yeah, watch it. They never can play football. Yeah, watch it. Never can play football. You know it.

I'm sure with the circles Aaron runs in, he probably sees some of those super high-functioning robots that might fool you a few times. Hey, that might be a human. That is true, Aaron. What do you know over there in those high circles that you fly around over there in L.A.? I don't know what he's talking about, but...

AI has done a lot of good, though. LA. I don't know what he's talking about, but AI has done a lot of good, though. There's a lot of really good things that AI has done, so we can't throw that away, but just got to be careful with unchecked technological

developments. Yeah, King Kerr, I'm excited to hear... I'll just stop right there. Yeah, you were really going you went like this you really want and then you brought all the way back home right back into the bread basket you know what i mean you did it was fantastic piece of work as you're healing a torn achilles let's get back to football chatter chatter uh tom brady was on the stephen a smith show and he talked about mediocrity around the nfl we actually have the clip i don't know if you've seen it here's tom brady chit-chatting about the current state of the NFL. I think there's a lot of mediocrity in today's

NFL. I don't see the excellence that I saw in the past. Why not? Why not? I think the coaching isn't as good as it was. I don't think the development of young players is as good as it was. The rules have allowed a lot of bad habits to get into the actual performance of the game. So I just think the product, in my opinion, is less than what it's been. I think I look at a lot of bad habits to get into the actual performance of the game. So I just think the product, in my opinion, is less than what it's been. I think I look at a lot of players like Ray Lewis and Rodney Harrison and Ronnie Lott and guys that impacted the game in a certain way. And every hit they would have made would have been a penalty. Your coach is complaining about their own player being tackling and not necessarily, why don't they talk to their player about how to protect themselves?

We used to work on the fundamentals of those things the time now they're trying to be regulated all the time offensive players need to protect themselves it's not up to the defensive player to protect offensive player a defensive player needs to protect himself i didn't throw the ball to certain areas because i was afraid players were going to get knocked out that's the reality i didn't throw it to the middle when i played ray played Ray Lewis because you knock him out of the game and I couldn't afford to lose a good player. Aaron, do you agree with that? What do you think is leading up to that? Is it the

young guys can't handle the same things you guys can handle back and kind of you're kind of one of the last of the Mohicans of the older, the old guard, Peyton, Tom, all you guys doing those things. What do you think is leading to that? Joe Flacco. Thank you. Footsteps. My bad.

I left footsteps out. Sorry. Phil. Matt Ryan. Drew Brees. Matty Ice. Seven. Sorry.

Big Ben. Great question. I saw the clip, and definitely I think as much as anything, I agree with the last thing that he said, and it's that the rule changes have created a lot of bad habits. And, you know, when i was a young player too the greatest fear you have as a quarterback is getting one of your guys hurt you know throwing the ball high over the middle exposing the guy and him getting rocked and him leaving the game that's just that was your biggest fear so you were smart about certain plays and throws of just not making them. And I think, you know, if I'm looking at this from a real big picture,

like there's a softening of society that has definitely caused things like this. Look at all the sports. You know, what happened to hockey? Hockey doesn't have the enforcer position anymore. Why? Because we need the fighting out of hockey. It's too violent. You know, and people don't want to see the violence on TV.

I think people want to see football be a collision sport and not to where guys are getting mangled on the field, but they enjoy the big hits. And there's certain players who you just knew were big hitters and would push the line of what's a cheap shot and what's a legit hit. But it's tough to play defense in the league. It is really tough. I saw a couple of calls last night and just thinking that was not how it used to be.

You used to play the Lions, you know you're getting rocked. Just about every snap you're taking, dropping back, you're getting hit, you're getting pushed. And if you go back and look at some of the film on some of those games, I'm talking like 08, 09, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, the game was reffed definitely a little bit different back then. Is it better in certain areas for player safety? 100%. Have we gone too far in certain rules?

100% as well. And I think it's really hard to play defense. It's really hard to figure out the strike zone, especially with a moving player. I think we've created bad habits in some of the reads and the zero fear of throwing over the middle. I think some of the quarterbacks are getting rewarded for sliding late at times and taking very light shots that become 15-yard penalties. Obviously, Kareem Jackson is in the news for another, you know, big hit that's putting him on suspension. You know, it's a hard hit. Does he, you know, is it intentional? I don't know. I

mean, he's got a bad rap now. Some of these these hits i feel like the hit in green bay game was was probably unnecessary um you know as far as like he seemed like he had some time to think about that one but things are happening so quick in the league who am i to judge i haven't played defense i don't know what it's like to in a moment have to change your strikes unsignificantly or think you're going to hit a guy in a certain spot and be able to have your eyes open the entire time to move your spot slightly or take your head just slightly to the left so you're not hitting the guy in the head, that's very difficult to play defense. And I think there's some intent involved in most of these hits

that it's not malicious intent. It's part of the collision nature of the sport. Do you go back now and review plays and try and figure out intent? That creates a whole interesting can of worms that they couldn't handle a few years back when they tried to review pass interference. Well, we all could. We all could. I know, but I've said this many times, and I'll say it again. You know, there's a lot of great referees in the NFL.

There's a lot of great ones who've retired over the last good bit. And the majority of those great ones who retired are on TV now because the money is high and they can do great. And we've talked about this many, many times. Gene Steratore is phenomenal, right? But if they could give Gene or Dean or Mike Pereira or Terry McCauley, these guys who were fantastic NFL refs, the opportunity to kind of take that over with the right type of pay, and then they were willing to do it, I think you could see some interesting ability to make these a little bit more interpretable, a little bit more in the nature of the rule, and maybe change some of these bad habits that I think have been created.

Yeah, the two names you didn't mention from the official standpoint, Walt Anderson, Alberto Riveron. They're the ones that have been in charge. You know, all those good refs you just said, TV, TV, TV, TV. Who's in charge of doing the pass interference they were doing first? Oh, Alberto Riveron. Yeah, he's the guy that's got to do it. Listen, I like Walt.

I always like Walt. I don't. Okay, I like Walt. I always like Walt. I don't. Okay, I like both Walts. I like him, Walt Coleman. I like Walt Coleman. Walt Anderson. There's been a lot of great ones. And, you know, Jeff Triplett, Mike Carey.

There's a lot of guys who retired over the last 10 or 15 years. They were a big part of my career, and I appreciate those guys. But you need to get one of those guys, in my opinion, to get Gene because he's the best. Get him in a position where you pay him enough money, whatever the hell he wants, just so you can interpret the rules, I think, in the true nature of how it needs to be interpreted. And honestly, the refs would be great with that, I think. I think the refs would love that. And I think Gene could do a great job job and he explains things really well on tv but you'd have to give him the right kind of money and have to give him the

opportunity to uh to enact some some real change i think in the long run being the best interest of the sport moving forward so we don't keep going down the slippery slope of really taking the quarterback into more of a flag football environment which listen i mean maybe there's some guys i wanted i never wanted it like i feel like like being hit is part of the game. And obviously, I've taken some shots. And one of the shots I took changed one of the rules. You know, I got hit by a bar. I didn't think that was a dirty hit by a bar.

I was more upset. I felt like he flipped me off after the play, which I guess we went back and talked about. He hadn't actually done that. Or actually, I flipped him off. He gave me the suck it sign. But I guess it wasn't a reference to each other, so we cleared that up. I was telling somebody else to suck it. Not you.

I was telling you to suck it. You already did suck it. I just said it. I was talking to somebody else to suck it. But I didn't feel like it was a dirty hit. I didn't get the ball awkward enough. He was able to grab me in a certain way. And it was, unfortunately, a football play that went bad for me um you know tom got hit low and lost his acl you know i don't know if that was an

intentional shot down there i think cleaning that part of it up but then you know the way you can't hit guys now guys are going low more i don't know if that creates more injuries you have to go and look at that or more more issues but um i think it's really hard to play defense. And I don't know if there's a clear-cut way of changing things, but people enjoy the collision part of it. Nobody wants the crazy spearing out there, but I think there's a happy medium somewhere in the middle. Where was it in college this weekend? There was a guy in college that actually said,

hey, here's video for you guys to show. Boston College at Pitt. On the targeting. This dude, safety, comes flying in and literally jumps like dolphin out of water with helmet looking for somebody else's helmet it's like in the middle of it it's like all right that is we believe that the intent there seems to be helmet to helmet and there is a zero use of a hand or a shoulder in this entire thing. But I think intent can get read. And you talk about Gene Steratore being the guy with the feel and being the right guy.

They had Walt Anderson drop into Monday Night Football. You remember that? Walt Anderson dropped into Monday Night Football and said, the reason why we called this was this. It's like Gene not only being on CBS but being on everywhere, especially in his primetime games that most people are watching, that's good for everybody. Let's do that.

Let's go ahead and handle that, Aaron. Let's do that. I think it would be great. I really do. And think terry does a really good job on tv as well and um you know there's some some really good ones who have moved on uh that could help it but it would it would take the nfl wanting to make a change and then not being cheap and paying yeah you know we saw what happens when they were a little cheap to the referees a few years back. That's interesting people. But they'd have to, you know,

not that they don't have the money. Pay Gene or Terry or one of these guys the right amount of money to just go through and see and then practice them. Practice them in the preseason and see what works. If it doesn't work, scrap it.

But, but you got to work on it. You said with the, you know, sports are evolving now. Baseball, you know, is not the most interesting sport,

I think for many of us to watch, but they did a good job on speeding up, speeding up the game with some of this stuff. And I'll watch it. And strike zone stuff has been interesting. At least they made a little box for the, for the viewer at home to check out. But there's ways to maybe move this forward that don't lose the collision nature of the sport that people really enjoy.

Because that's part of it. You know, we realize we're putting our bodies on the line. I think that's part of the thrill is knowing that you are kind of a modern-day gladiator. But if we keep going down this path, especially with quarterbacks, there's going to be flag football on us. if we keep going down this path, especially with quarterbacks, there's going to be flag football on us and tackling in a one-foot tackle zone on defense, which makes things not as enjoyable, I don't think. And I think what Tom's saying is it's going to make worse football,

and that's what we need to remember whenever we're adjusting all these things. What does 10 years look like now for the best game in the world? Speaking of change and evolving, the Pittsburgh Steelers did that today. We were talking about it whenever you joined us. You did not get a chance to say anything, but I think Tone Diggs is going to ask you a question about that. Yeah, Aaron, earlier you were talking about when a quarterback changed, a spark, a scapegoat. Now two offensive coordinators have been fired, Ken Dorsey and Matt Canada.

I don't think you've ever had to go through that in the middle of the season. I assume not. I could be wrong there, though. But as a quarterback, how does that affect you in the rest of the season? Is it actually something where the offense can get better with a new coordinator and change if it's the same offense, basically? It's tough. I mean, I think a lot of times it gets kind of overblown a little bit because I don't know how much you can change in the middle of the season. Now, if you did it before a bye week and you had a whole you know side kind of ideas that you maybe

didn't get to that you wanted to implement and had two weeks to kind of put that in it might change things but week to week there's just not a ton you can do it's more just the flow of the plays maybe some input here and there I think there's a lot of like guilt that comes along with it and you know especially if you're pulling the trigger, you know, the only thing I dealt with like that in my time was when Mike got let go in 2018 when we were four and seven. We were, you know, we were crappy and things weren't going well. We were struggling.

And Mike was there forever and develop a relationship with a guy. And it sucks, you know, because you just feel responsible. And, you know, then Joe came in, and there's, you know, it's just everything's just a tad has just a tinge of newness to it, but not a whole lot can change. You know, play callers are a little different, but in the end you call plays based on the personnel that you have. And, you know and uh you know where

you're limited in some areas doesn't mean you can just totally scrap the entire offense and do new things you're still trying to be efficient and effective and um you know i thought josh uh played good uh the other night you had a conversation uh with him and um i thought uh you know he made good decisions sometimes it can be a reset for the guy calling the plays. We're like, okay, now that's out of there. Now it's almost like, oh, now it's on me. And some people do really well with that where the pressure amps up. Okay, now they made a scapegoat.

They fired somebody. They made a change. Now the pressure goes up to the next person in line, which is usually the quarterback pulling the trigger. Now he's got to play you know, play better. And I think Josh is a great competitor. And I'm sure there was some of that, you know, the guilt and the frustration of a buddy getting let go.

And now, like, hey, no excuses. Now I got to play better. And I think he went out and played pretty damn good. Yeah, and we'll see what Kenny Pickett does. Huh? Here we go. Kenny Pickett got the weight of Pittsburgh on his shoulders. Good luck, Kenny.

He knows bridges in any city in the world, I think. Benny Pickett got the weight of Pittsburgh on his shoulders. Those bridges in any city in the world, I think. It's known as the Bridge City. That or Venice. Yeah, you get it. Anyways, whole weight of all those bridges on the shoulder of Kenny. It was nice to see Josh Allen having fun again. Looked like, you know what I mean?

Looked like he was having more fun. It wasn't that nice. It was, wasn't it? That's a nice thing. It wasn't that nice. What do't it that's a nice thing it wasn't that nice what do you mean well i love josh but uh definitely wasn't pulling for him to have a lot of fun you need to get back over there because with everything that happened in that game with the bills and obviously with the bounce back of the bills against the jets defense and what the jets defense has done quinn and william Williams was upset on the sideline. You know, he was yelling at people.

Then obviously now Zach's out, Hack's doing this with his record of how it's going. It's like you're going back into a place that if you were, you and the Jets were able to turn this around. What a story. Hey, what a story. That could be everybody on the Jets as happy as Josh was the other night. You know what I mean?

That could be the whole thing, Aaron. Well, that's the thing. And now, you know, it puts, when you make a change, whether it's a quarterback or coordinator or even coach in the middle of the season, everybody else gets put on notice. And some people do that really well and some people shrink. So we need people to step up in the moment and take ownership of it and kind of put their put their name on

the line you know i feel like that's part of what happened in 16 is and nobody believed that we could run the table but when i said that one i believed it and i didn't think a lot of people did but two i said there's a lot of going around right now a lot of people taking shots at me and mike and our offense i'm gonna i'm gonna take a little more of this maybe if i just once i say this you know now the spotlight on me gets even bigger so now how am i going to respond but maybe the spotlight anybody else shrinks a little bit maybe guys play a little more free so i'd love to see uh you know our guys step up and and and somebody put it on themselves and say,

I'm going to be the reason we win this week. I'm going to be the reason we win. And hopefully everybody can play a little bit looser and go out there and be free. And nobody's expecting us to win. That's a dangerous position to be in. So I love Quinnen. I love his fire. I love his passion, his leadership.

If he's yelling and getting going, because he's generally not the loudest person, love it. We need it. We need the fire. We need it from him. We need it from CJ. We need it from Sauce, DJ, JJ, Quincy. We need our boys, TA.

We need our boys to step up on that side of the ball and be ballers and offensively. We got to step up. And somebody's taking on themselves. So I'm going to be the reason we win this week. Tim Boyle. Maybe it's Tim Boyle. Go ahead, AJ. Hey, what has it been like, honestly, not playing this year and sitting out?

And we know like every week you come on here and we get to do all this and you're so detailed in everything you're doing with your rehab. But when you're sitting there and you're not rehabbing, what's it like not being there, not being on the team? We hear about how tough it is, obviously, when you're away from your squad and you're injured. What is that like for people that other people that may be going through injuries around the league? Yeah, it's awful most days, to be honest. I mean, I think you have to find some beauty in the midst of it. A lot of people have said, you know, everything happens for a reason.

And that's their calling card. And I've just never really subscribed to that specific thought process. I believe life is happening all the time. Not happening to me. It's a victim in town. But life is happening. And all we can do is determine how we respond to the experiences that we're going through and so i've tried to respond in as positive a way as i can and

and to manifest what i want through my rehab and to be available to my teammates to clear my head to contemplate my life in the league and and uh you know my desire to still be competitive at the highest level that's been great. But overall, it's been difficult. I think in the midst of it, there's been some beautiful, you know, experiences that I've had and reconnections with some friends that wouldn't have happened had I been in Jersey the entire time. So I'm thankful for those experiences. Thankful for the people in my life that stepped up for me when I was going through the sadness and the frustration of this injury. But this is not how I thought that my destiny was going to go this year.

So it's been difficult. But life is about how you respond to the adversity in those situations. And there's a lot of lessons to be learned in this. I like to think that a lot of lessons could have been learned without having to go through a major Achilles injury. But I am thankful for what I've learned during this time. But it just makes me miss the game that much more, miss being around the guys and excited about getting back there soon.

Okay, so this is like, I don't want to say reignited, but even more so fueled the fire of when I came out of that darkness and decided that I wanted to continue to play, right decision, we're going to play for another 10 years? Is that what we're thinking right now? I think that there was a thought immediately after the injury, this is it. I'm done. I can't go through this rehab.

I can't, you know, I'm too old for this shit. And I did a lot of, like of soul searching and praying that night. And I woke up in the morning and felt like, nah, I'm coming back. I'm going to do this again. I'm going to climb the mountain one more time. And I'm thankful for, again, for all the people who reached out, for the people that were praying for me and supporting me and sending me nice messages

and checking on me. It's been really, really special. Just to reconnect with some of those people who reached out during this time, it's reignited my love for it because I've been in kind of what it feels like to be retired. I've been away from the team, you know,

for much of this 10 weeks other than seeing them on some game days. And I'm never not with my squad in the fall. I've never made my fall schedule since I was in high school playing ball. So I've got to look at what that feels like. And I'm not ready for that. I still feel like I've got a few good years left

and can still play at high level and look forward to getting a chance to show that. Being a non-football human, hate it. Can't wait to get back. We can't wait to watch you continue to grind it out. We appreciate you, brother. Happy Thanksgiving and happy early birthday. It's coming up.

December 2nd, Jay Glazer breaking the news. Thanksgiving to you guys. Great time to count your blessings, not what you don't have this week. So thankful for all you guys. I know you guys got a lot to be thankful for as well. And, yeah, I'm also thankful, you know, to – I can't believe they didn't come in today, but I heard that Trey and JK were going to try and jump in on this interview and hear the Achilles factor.

They didn't. I'm thankful for those guys and everybody here. We're all grinding, supporting each other, encouraging each other. Like you always say, be a friend. Tell a friend something nice that might change their life. Thanks for all the people that reached out and did that for me this fall. Thank you to

you guys for keep spreading the good word. to everybody in Wachita who's supporting us as well. Happy Thanksgiving. From Wachita all the way to the Achilles factory in California.

We can't thank you enough. You're the best, dude. Happy Thanksgiving ladies and gentlemen and safe trip back to Jersey this week. Aaron Rodgers. Yeah! I think we hit the hard out. Yeah i think we hit it again a little bit of music there at the end i completely forgot about it because the answer he was giving obviously he was so deep you know he's reignited his love for sport different perspective whenever you have it taken away from you said he hasn't planned his own fall since high school which is obviously an incredible thing that people have to get past whenever they decide to retire.

It's a whole new world, whole new life. He dabbled with it. He hates it. I can't wait to continue to play football. For all the people that are saying he needs to stop trying to want to come back, it sounds like it's all the motherfucker knows. It sounds like that is literally all he knows. Speaking of all I know is while we were talking to Aaron, I saw a couple of posts on the internet. Darius Shaquille Leonard has been released from the Indianapolis Colts.

Yes. The all-pro potential defensive MVP candidate just a few years ago. A man who signed a massive deal with the Indianapolis Colts just a couple years back who has had an ankle injury for the last few years. That was actually a nerve injury where they actually had to do a surgery in his back at one point to kind of get it figured out so he could get back to being the football player that he was during the defensive MVP thing and then Gus Bradley comes in while he's recovering from all these different injuries puts in a

different defense so whenever Shaq misses like an entire season pretty much, this is the first year of a brand new defense, one in which he has not been up for defensive MVP. That was Eberflus' defense, who was in Chicago. So then whenever Shaq comes back, still introduced last when the defense gets introduced at Lucas Oil Stadium, still the guy that everybody in Indy loves, the maniac. We love Shaq. He's our guy. We missed him the year he was out. He comes back. It's almost like he never had a place in the Gus Bradley defense that had already been created over the year that he missed. Zaire Franklin, fellow Q-dog alongside Shaquille Leonard,

kind of took his spot, ran with it, was beloved, leads the NFL in tackling at certain points. He does his thing. And there was just never a spot for whatever reason for Shaq Leonard in that defense. We would watch live. And on third downs, Shaq would be leaving the field as opposed to coming on the field. Still getting introduced last out of the tunnel whenever the defense would get introduced.

Just not really making as many plays as he had in the past, but also not being on the field for as many plays as he had in the past. Really weird situation. Have no idea how we got to this point. I love Shaq. I was very grateful that we got to watch Shaq play here in the past. Really weird situation. Have no idea how we got to this point. I love Shaq. I was very grateful that we got to watch Shaq play here in Indianapolis. But if you've been paying attention the last two years, it has not been like a good situation football-wise for these two together. And I think injuries are a part of it, but I think transition was a part of it.

And I think maybe a fresh spot will be good for him. But I have no idea. Yeah, I hope so. First thing, you know, I hope he's fully healthy or gets back fully healthy because Shaq, in my opinion, he's like a rhythm player, almost like one of those running backs that, you know, you get him a couple carries, take him out, get it like they don't work well, you get him a few carries, and he's always going to make that splash play.

That's who our maniac is at his peak powers, and hopefully he finds that place somewhere else. But you mentioned a lot of it. You missed that time. And Zyra Franklin, who was kind of a special teamer, special teams captain up to that point, once he got that opportunity, he never looked back, leading the league in tackles this year from wire to wire pretty much.

EJ Speed has stepped up and played some good football. And we've seen Leonard Shaquille the last few weeks, you know, kind of talking to the media and, you know, letting them know like he's disgruntled about his playing time. So hopefully he finds a fresh start. And obviously, hopefully the Colts continue to be successful in defense as well. AJ, he was getting that punch whenever he was playing. I don't want to say, like, obviously Peanut Tillman will always be remembered for it,

but Darius was just like every single game. There was a pick or a turnover or a punch out or something taking place there. Jim Irsay has responded to the release here with a tweet of his own saying, tough business, I believe is the caption of this particular tweet. Yep, tough business with a heart with his quote that says, Colts Nation will always remember the maniacs' palpable energy on the field with each tackle, interception, punch out, and fumble recovery. Off the field, he's a servant leader and assisted numerous families

in both his hometown and the Indianapolis Colts community. We're thankful for Shaq and the contributions he made to our organization. We wish him and his beautiful family the best moving forward. Well, I'll be. Here's the money, AJ. Here's the money. Some team will owe him $6.5 million if they pick him up off of waivers for the rest of this particular year. I'm sorry, $6.5 million if they pick him up off of waivers for the rest of this particular year.

I'm sorry, $6.11 million for the remainder of the season. Next year he's under contract. 2025 he's under contract, and 2026 he's under contract. But I'm not sure how much of that is guaranteed and how much of it is just salary and everything like that. I think there's another $6.5 million due next year, I believe, is the next tweet in that group text. Yeah, Shaquille Leonard is making $15.7 guaranteed base salary,

about $6 due for the rest, has another $6.5 guaranteed for injury in 2024. So it's hard to imagine he gets claimed. In all likelihood, he'll clear and become a free agent. All right. Maybe Chicago. I mean, there are a couple of teams. No, go to a contender. No, become a free agent, go to a contender.

Yeah, who knows how long Ibraflus is going to be in Chicago, but him and Ibraflus' system was match made in heaven. I don't know if he's 100% healthy. We have no idea why it has happened, what has happened. But, yeah, I guess a contender would be a good spot for, you know, drop in Darius Leonard, Shaquille Leonard. Ian Rappaport tweeted Darius. Shaq's Twitter says Darius Shaquille Leonard. He was Darius Leonard, Shaquille Leonard. Ian Rappaport tweeted Darius. Shaq's Twitter says Darius Shaquille Leonard.

He was Darius Leonard. Then he became Shaq Leonard. Exclusively. Exclusively Shaq Leonard. So I don't want to disrespect him. I got a lot of love for Shaq and Darius Leonard for what he did to Indianapolis. This kind of came out of left field, though. I did not expect this, AJ.

I did not expect this. I did not expect it at all. And I've seen the interviews he's done in his locker, and they're asking him about playing time. He's like, I don't really know. I don't really know how we're splitting them, when I'll be in, when I'll be out. And I think D-Bot made a great point saying he's kind of a rhythm player. I think most players would hope to kind of like –

it's very difficult going in and out and in and out if you don't really know. And that's something that if you haven't done it in a while especially it's tough to do all of a sudden and with with how he is on the field like he's such an intimidating force there in the middle every guy that ever catches the ball or runs the ball when Shaq Leonard is out there and he's healthy like they know where he's at because he is coming he can punch you from nine yards away it seems like also he can sit in the middle of that defense eight yards deep and his wingspan is so damn long he can jump up and pick the ball over the middle like he just has such a presence out there so i hope he's i hope he can get as close to 100 healthy as he can i hope he goes to contender man and kind of gets i don't know gets where it's just tough i'm sure he

he doesn't want to be released but he's probably thinking okay i need to go somewhere where the scheme fits and i can play i'm thinking there's a chance with the way the interviews have gone you know and there's been a few times where i've watched practice or a game and i'm like oh shaq's back yeah because he's like this in the middle of this because like you talk about being a rhythm player he's a vibes guy yeah it was like it was like after every he was the he was the juice yes he was the juice for not only our defense, our whole stadium, our entire team. He was the guy. Then he came back. He kind of looked like a different guy. Wasn't as confident. Wasn't flying his around. Didn't have as much of an

important role. Then this year he gets out there and it's like he's back. It's like, okay, we got Shaq Leonard back on this defense. We can find a spot to put him in there because he's such an instinctual player too. Now, granted, instincts are going to make you wrong every once in a while, but more often than not, he was on the right side of it. I have no idea where he, I mean, so we lose. I don't think I get it. No, I don't.

Yeah, it's a full-blown crapshoot. Well, you know, my bad comment, but Pat, you know, if you're not starting and playing every play they want you to play multiple special teams as well and you don't want to throw shack leonard in there a punt and punt return kickoff yeah especially at the linebacker position yeah no chance especially at the linebacker uh he won't win coach of the year shane steichen should win coach of the year just because of how much he had to deal with him in one year think about his last like seven months or whatever we can go all the way back to February. Loses the Super Bowl.

Gets hired as a head coach. Best player on offense. Starts holding out after he said he won. Publicly. Publicly. Quarterback they draft. Gets hurt in four of the five games he plays in. Probably not the best player on defense, but definitely one of the leaders of the team. Definitely one of the faces of the team

as far as fans go. And now he's gone. And he was disgruntled publicly. And you as fans go, and now he's gone. And he was disgruntled publicly. And you still got to lead and build your own culture. And they're still 5-5. Even with that, though, when he puts up that tweet, the immediate assumption is

he must be retiring. He must still not be healthy. I would have never imagined all the culture just cut him. So I looked. He played 70% of the snaps this year. When he was obviously going, he i looked um he played 70 of the snaps this year when he was obviously going he was playing 98 99 of the snaps now i'm not saying this is gonna happen but the sealers signed miles jack and blake martinez today um so you know there is a team out there looking for linebackers right now yeah you think that's gonna change some uh you think old

pokemon seller maybe no longer on team is yeah i he got signed this morning, so that may be a quick turnaround because they lost Kwon to an Achilles and an ACL. If they both want him, the Bills and the Dolphins could both use a linebacker bad. Let's get to a break.

When it was good here, he reset the market. He was the highest paid linebacker when he signed his deal. Who was his agent? I think it was that dude who is with Jonathan Taylor. I don't know. Malky? Malky?

Oh, was that Malky? MMA guy, too. Yeah, he has an MMA funder. He's got a lot of money for guys. Great deal. It was a conversation at one point between him and Fred Warner. Who was the best off-ball linebacker? That happened with Aaron.

Bingo. Yeah, absolutely. Because Aaron on this particular program said, Fred Warner, best interior linebacker in the league. He and I know each other well. We go back. And then they played the Colts the next week. And Shaq, like, met him at the field.

Yeah. Yeah, it was like, what'd you say? What the fuck's that about? And Aaron came on the show, and he was like, I've known Frank since he's in high school. No disrespect. I've had no disrespect to Darius Leonard. That was a real...

Yeah. All right, hopefully he finds it again. Yeah, he's so good when he does. Story is obviously epic born in austria came to america to be the greatest bodybuilder on earth fucking accomplish that then go ahead and be the biggest movie star on earth fucking accomplish that and then be the governor of the sixth largest economy on earth fucking accomplish that now he's an author in the book be useful seven tools for life is written by this man i think everybody needs to read it to become the best version of themselves this dude has taken over the world he's going to do it again i assume before he's dead

ladies and gentlemen arnold schwarzenegger hey you really know how to spice things up i cannot cannot even believe it, Pat. I mean, let's see a shot here quickly. Let's see some of those muscles. What? Hey, Arnold, we got it, huh? I don't have to look. Wow, look at that. Huh?

Look at the biceps. Look at the deltoids. Holy moly. Look at that back. Yup. Thank you. Oh, yes. Yup.

Thank you. This is Mr. Universe material. Oh, wow. Unbelievable. Oh, shit. Oh, yes. Thank you. This is Mr. Universe material. Oh, wow. Unbelievable. Oh, shit. Unbelievable. Hey, you got me a little sauced up right now, a little zeeked up right now. That feels good.

Let's talk about you. Obviously, we're done talking about my muscles. They're awesome. AJ, I think we're all going to. I only smoke little tiny cigars. I do apologize for that. So we will definitely share a little smoke here together, all of us. Why are you

apologizing well because you're Arnold Schwarzenegger and I'm not doing exactly what you're doing although the muscles kind of getting into the same particular position as yours you know that's what I'm doing I mean I feel like I'm looking in the mirror when I look at you yes now yeah nonetheless uh it's all the same let's go back in time a little bit. I watched your docuseries. It was on Netflix. Bro, hey, it was when my baby was born. First ever baby girl. So obviously you're up all night. And I'm just watching.

You and me spent like a whole week together. And I was learning your story. I was getting so inspired, so pumped. Whenever you decided to come to America, obviously the goal was Mr. Olympia and Universe and everything like that. Could you have ever foreseen this in this positive attitude? Have you had this since birth?

Has this kind of been the way you've been since it all kind of started for you? Well, no, not as a kid. But I mean, I think that as soon as I had that vision, that dream of becoming the world's best built man, Mr. Universe and all of that, and kind of chase the world's best-built man, Mr. Universe, and all of that, and kind of chase the dream. And kind of like my idol, Reg Park,

who played Hercules in the movies, and Steve Reeves. Those guys I idolized, so I just wanted to be like them. And so as soon as I had that dream, life changed for me. You know, I started going to the gym every single day i started working out i started eating well and didn't drink i didn't smoke any of the cigarettes or

nothing like that i just was on this trajectory to become the champion and so every single hour every single rep i did was towards that goal and so i had a lot of fun doing it and i created kind of my own world and but i knew 100 that i I'm going to get there, even though everyone else in Austria thought it was totally crazy, you know, to have such a dream. Because bodybuilding was not an Austrian sport. Skiing is, and soccer and those kind of sports, bicycle riding, but not bodybuilding. But, you know, so I did it. At the age of 20, I won Mr. Universe. And then I was invited to

come over to america here then i continued winning i won then five mr universe titles seven mr olympias mr world mr international so all together was like 13 world bodybuilding championships something that nobody ever has done before and uh i'd say and then and then then i got into i was very lucky that i had the same drive and that same vision to get me into movies. And so then the same thing happened in the movie business. Go ahead, AJ. I'm curious how much motivation you gain from people telling you you are crazy and you can't do this. And every single thing you kind of check the box of, I feel like you're kind of motivated by everyone telling you, hey, you're nuts.

This isn't going to work. of i feel like you're kind of motivated by everyone telling you hey you're nuts this isn't going to work well i think we have to realize and you guys can relate to that you have to realize that if you have a big dream like that and you say i want to be the best football player the best quarterback with the best of this or the best golfer or the best bodybuilder people are inevitably going to say oh yeah sure you know this guy is a little crazy and and so i think that we just the key thing is as i say in my book uh be useful is we cannot go and uh get caught up with that i just pay no attention to the naysayers and i just continued on with my vision and even though it's all hard work i mean it's the but the vision is this what propels you what really motivates you because

this is why i always had fun working out in the gym. This is why I always had fun on a set, on a movie set, because I saw the movie finished in front of my eyes. When we did Conan the Barbarian, and I had to crawl around on the rocks with no protection on my elbows and knees, and I was bleeding and all that stuff. Nothing mattered, really, because I knew that when the movie comes out, it's going to be great. It's going to be great entertainment and it's going to help my career internationally. I was just an animal

when it comes to that. There was just no mercy on myself. It was just work, work, work. That's why I also talk about in the book Be Useful that you have to work your ass off. It's that simple. And you guys know that better than anyone.

Because, I mean, you guys train. I mean, it's unbelievable. Thank you. The kind of stuff that you guys do now. Because when I came over here, you know, I started, you know, hanging out a few times. I met, you know, some of those football players that were then famous and none of them trained with weights. This was like a no-no in sports.

If you touch weights, every coach said, if you touch weights, you're going to go slow down and you're going to go get muscle-bound and it's going to be terrible. You're losing flexibility and all that stuff.

And so, you know, guys did not do what you do today. Today, guys are lifting, you know, more weights than powerlifters. I see, you know, guys coming into the gym and they're squatting with ease 400, 500 pounds, but with ease weighing, you know, 185, 200 pounds. So this is unheard of, this kind of lift. And the bench press they're doing and the dumbbell lifts and all of that stuff. But it makes you a much more ferocious warrior out there on the field.

And it's, of course, much more dangerous now, football, than it ever was before because of this tremendous power that you guys have. So you're doing both. You're doing the cardiovascular training. You have the endurance. You have the flexibility. You have the endurance. You have the flexibility. You have the speed.

You have the explosive power. And then you have also the power of moving weights and therefore moving bodies on the football field. So I have become kind of a huge admirer of yours. And, you know, there's one guy that was on just before me, Aaron. You know,aron is i've met now because he's doing physical therapy at my girlfriend's place which which you call the achilles factory um and they that place is packed with football players with ufc fighters and uh you know with with the basketball players and all that stuff but aaron is always there he's the most

entertaining he just entertains everyone. Everyone is getting a kick out of him with his stories and with his kind of positivity and all that. And here's a guy that is talking about, you know, great shape. I mean, I don't know, how old is he now? 39.

39 years old. And he's still one of the best players out there. It's like amazing to watch him how good he is you know and so so that that is extraordinary so i i've become a big fan of his also because he's funny he's a great sense of humor he's not just a football player he has a very clear vision where he wants to go after this is all over and all this it's fun talking to him and you know and hanging out with him because he's a real inspirational kind of a guy hell yeah and so are you pal i would like to let you know and what he's doing with his achilles

at your girlfriend's place at the achilles factory is going to be something that people are going to study forever just like i think this book is going to be be useful right and i'm reading a little excerpt here it says and it kind of ties in everything you just said there and you sound like um you said when i had the dream that's when it all changed for you when i had the dream a tv the same thing and then you get a little bit uh seemingly obsessive with it and you do everything you possibly can to make it happen you work your ass off you said if be useful sounds relentlessly positive it is it is an answer to the pessimism disconnection and loss of purpose arnold saw

building over the past few years, especially among young people. You just talked about how sports and athletes and bodies are better than they've ever been, but it does feel like there is a lack of motivation for some portions of society. Why do you think that is? And do you think that's fixable? Do you think we're going to get to an era of humans that are maybe the hardest working era of humans ever again? of humans that are maybe the hardest working era of humans ever again? Well, I think that, you know, we have gone into a generation of people that are kind of trying to find the easy way out. And, you know, they think that everyone can become rich, you know, being a high tech expert and stuff like that. But it's not that easy.

The thing that today still is true, as it always was, is, you know, that you have to work your ass off. And you can do all the high-tech you want, but still, I mean, you know, Ted Turner once said, you know, early to bed, early to

rise, work like hell and advertise. And I'm a big believer in that. You know, you have bed, early to rise, work like hell and advertise. And I'm a big believer in that. You know, you have to work your ass off. Everything that I've ever done, if it was being involved in bodybuilding, being involved in show business, in movies. I mean, being for six months sometimes on the set doing a movie and then you go and you finish there and you go to another movie right after that. You work sometimes nights when you work with Jim Cameron, when he directed Terminator 2. I remember we'd work 87 days at nights.

And it's grueling doing the action and doing the stunts and you get injuries and all that kind of stuff. So, you know, I inspire people to go and work your ass off and not to be afraid of failure because so many people are kind of shy of failure they're afraid of it and they don't want to then do anything big because they don't want to fail really big and i always tell them don't be afraid of failure you know just go all out and just have a specific goal in mind and then go after that relentlessly and then it needs

hard hard work so everything i've ever done, even in a governor's office, I mean, you're there from nine in the morning on in that office. You sit there till six o'clock at night and then you have to go to fundraisers and you have to go and communicate with the people out there to make sure that the people are coming with you and follow you because it's one thing to pass laws, but it's another thing to make people understand the laws that you pass. And when you, for instance, say we want to reduce pollution by 25%,

well, you want to make sure that the California people then know the reason why we're doing this because there's 7 million people that die every year of pollution. So we can do better than that. So let's get rid of pollution. Let's get rid of fossil fuels. There's no reason why people have to die of cancer because of all of that stuff. So, you know, it was like work, work, work the whole time and, you know, be positive and having that clear vision. And so those are the rules that I talk about in a book. And the book I wrote basically just to make people, you make people more successful, to make them happier and to because so many people are down

78% of the people in America hate their jobs, I mean what the hell is that? I hate your job and then go to work every day for years and years and years people are looking forward to retiring and I said, what is that all about? retiring, I mean it's like hell you got to go and just continue on until when you're six feet down the desk

and you can retire that's when you can you know lie back a little bit and just relax but not while we are on this side of the grass this is all like conquering achieving working hard and living rather than existing hell yes by the way oh i love that all you're talking about is work ethic like that is the trait i think that i hope my daughter has i hope uh very lucky that it was something passed down from my father and my mother i love that that's your entire message i i hope more people read be useful seven tools for life for Life by Arnold Schwarzenegger, available now. And you say you work hard at everything. Remember when he was a salesman and his neighbor was trying to have sex with his wife?

Oh, yeah. And you know what you did? You got that turbo, man. End of the day, you got turbo, man. That asshole neighbor was trying to, oh, he's always at work. Oh, he's working, taking advantage of that. Rest in peace, obviously. But you got turbo, man, at the end of the day.

You can work hard and still be a great human. I think you've proved that time and time again, especially around the holidays. Thank you very much. Thank you. You're absolutely right. One of the things I talk about in the book is it is absolutely essential if you want to be successful to give something back to your community. Because, you know, not everyone is as fortunate as we are. Maybe make money and maybe do the kind of stuff that we that we wanted to do uh so people are falling through

the tracks a lot of time i was like for instance yesterday out in east la at the holland bank center handing out turkey hundreds of turkeys to people that can't afford let's go governor hell yeah you're a good dude man you could be on a beach smoking cigars all day every day The amount of money you've made Everything you've accomplished When's retirement? Dead I'm giving out turkeys tomorrow I appreciate the hell out of you

The boy's got a bunch of questions for you Arnold Ty go ahead pal Yeah Arnold I'm sure when people talk to you They always mention Commando and Predator And Terminator 1 and Terminator 2 And I agree because I've seen those countless amount of times but I'd be remiss if I didn't say thank you

for making Twins and Kindergarten Cops because I think I've seen you. I saw both of those thousands of times growing up but I'm just curious like when your film career first started at what point did you realize like hey listen everything I touch turns to fucking gold

so it doesn't really matter what the script says or what what this movie is about if i'm in it this thing is going to open up at number one on the box office when it comes out that weekend and then also at what point did you decide like hey the action stuff i've kind of cornered that market i want to move to you know some of these more comedic roles like twins and kindergarten cop well it's a good question i think they've been and they did conan the barbarian which was kind to some of these more comedic roles like Twins and Kindergarten Cop? Well, it's a good question. I think they've been, and they did Conan the Barbarian,

which was kind of the first international movie that I did. Universal Studios wanted to send me to like three, four countries to promote the movie. And I said, no, no. Look, this is my chance to really promote myself from bodybuilding to an actor.

And so I want to go to 10 countries. So then they mapped out the whole strategy to go to 10 countries and to promote the film. And I could really see the response internationally. And I could see that there was breaking through. And that was the moment where I felt was a breakthrough for me. And from then on, I got, you know,

Terminator Office and Commando and Predator and Red Heat and, you know terminator office and commander and predator and red heat and uh you know running man and all of those kind of movies so that was really the big breakthrough with the action movies but you're absolutely right i was kind of like saying to myself well you know there's something funny about me also i have a good sense of humor i want to draw as a comedist but it was very hard to break into comedies because the studio said look we're making all this money now with you as an action hero so why would we give you a comedy and then ivan reitman the director of ghostbusters who just came out with ghostbusters remember uh he said to me i develop a project with you i direct you and so from that point on when he didn't develop and Twins became my biggest grossing movie ever,

that's when all of a sudden I started getting offers also for comedies. I did The Kindergarten Cop and Junior and True Lies with Jim Cameron, with Jamie Lee Curtis, which was really a fantastic experience. So this is when I broke through and I knew, okay, I have that corner, that kind of thing mastered too. So there were moments like that, there were breakthrough moments. But I have to say that everything was a struggle. Everything had, you know, its failures in there.

I opened up movies that went in the toilet that didn't open up. No, we don't believe that. Oh, yes. And, you know, something you have to just learn from that. You have to say, you know, the story maybe wasn't good enough. You have to pay more attention to the story. And, you know, because what is not on the page is not on the stage. It's the old saying in Hollywood.

And so I had to realize that. And so in bodybuilding, I had my failures and lost competitions. In powerlifting, I lost competitions. Politically, after I won the governorship, there was an election later on where I had some initiatives and a ballot and they all lost. So I had my losses, but it doesn't matter because when you lose, you're not a loser.

The loser always stays down. I always got up. I dusted myself off and I said, okay, I'm going to get back and I'm going to go and try it again and try it again and try it again. In my bench press, when I was trying 500 back and I'm going to go and try it again and try it again and try it again. In my bench press, I mean, I was trying 500 pounds. I tried it 10 times and it failed.

But the 11th time I did it. So, I mean, so you never give up. It's that simple. Hey, life will teach you a lot on the bottom of 500 pounds too. You know what I mean? Life will teach you a lot down there, those 10 failures. Let's get to the 11th. Do you talk to The Rock ever?

You know, it feels like the rock is now this generation's action star he's had a couple that have gone not so great but then obviously that have gone very well do you two just chit chat about being the biggest action stars on earth well you know the rock is someone that i have admired for many many years that thought that he handled his career really well. I think that he's just one of those multi-talented guys that has a great personality. He's a great athlete, a great wrestler. He can

do big stunts on a set and he's very familiar with that and the fight scenes and all that stuff. So I think that his personality comes through. His great command of the scenes is coming through. He's very, very talented all around. I mean, I think

the world of him. I think he's really fantastic. You mentioned Jim Cameron a few times in True Lies Terminator 2. He seems like a guy that is not scared to take a big chance and take a big swing at things. We see what he's doing with Avatar right now. What was it like

working with him on set day to day? Well, he's a genius. You know, he just writes. I've never met anybody, to be honest with you, that is so multi-talented because that guy does, you know, he knows, he comes from the background of set decorating. And so he knows how to decorate the set, how to light the set. He knows everything about the cameras. He knows everything about everything. I mean, it's like technically he's so superior. His writing skills are so superior.

His directing skills are superior. He can do comedy. He can do action. He can do anything. It's just amazing how smart the guy is and what a great vision he has he's a visionary he sees everything in front of him i mean that's how he writes you know he sees the movie in front of him and then he goes to write and direct so i i you know i wish i could do many more movies with him because he's just so talented and you know when you when you go you're still acting

yeah we're still doing that say again you're still acting yeah yeah i i you know when you go... You're still acting? Yeah, we're still doing that? Say again? You're still acting? Yeah, yeah. We are doing this spring, coming spring, the second season of FUBAR, which is the TV series that was very, very popular on Netflix. And it went through the roof. So it was kind of like a takeoff of True Lies. It was kind of like action and comedy at the same time with a great cast there.

And Netflix did a fantastic job in promoting the TV show. So now we have a second season, so we're shooting that. It will take around four and a half months to film that in Toronto. And then we're going to go and put that out on air again.

And then I'm going to do another film with Danny DeVito, which he has been working on on the script and writing right now with his writers so i'm looking forward to that so yeah i do everything i do policy you know if the schwarzenegger institute um where we do where we deal with policy at usc uh the policy like health care immigration reform homeless homeless issues, water issues here in California, and all of the education issues, after school programs. That sounds fun.

That sounds like a blast, Arnold. That one sounds real fun. Well, you know, I learned when I was governor, you know, that you can make a difference. And you just have to figure out how to craft the policy, how do you talk and communicate to the people and bring them along and uh you know so it's fun to do so you know when i finished with

my when i finished my my governorship i didn't clock out you know this is it most above the politicians you never hear from them again but i think this is like uh you know it's terrible because what kind of a message is that? If you have committed yourself to be a public servant, how do you go and discontinue being a public servant? So to me, it's a continuation, a follow-through.

In sports, everything is about follow-through. And so this is what this is. So I want to continue being involved in policy and make this a better world. This is what my fourth act, people always ask me, what is the fourth act? I say my fourth act is about using my talents from bodybuilding,

from show business, from governorship and use all those talents, put it together and make it a better world. And so this is why I wrote the motivational book. That's why I hold motivational speeches and that's why I continue on with my show business and all this kind of stuff. So, you know, I want to be involved and bring all of those talents together.

Hell yeah. Every once in a while, you know, when you dabble in Act 2 with the acting, and then you're still properly jocked, and then you put Danny DeVito back on it. Oh, buddy, you're making the world a better place then too, aren't you? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's good news. I think there's a lot of greatness coming from it. You be incredibly proud done good out of austria nick has a question

for you in the back massive fan arnold i watched your documentary and there was a piece that really fastened fascinated me you talked about the shmay i hope i'm saying it right but i believe uh you explained the term in the documentary i was wondering if you talked about it in your book and if you could tell all these guys and everybody watching how the Shema kind of helped you throughout your life. Well, it's kind of like a really communicating well and to find a way of bringing a little oomph to the reality. You know,

instead of doing a boring speech you know, it's always good to kind of like throw in some good humor and to spice it up a little bit. And that's what we call the austrian schmay uh you know a lot of times they call it the bullshit in america but i mean that's it that's what it is it's kind of like spicing it up i was always a believer to kind of make it interesting so when you speak to students at the commencement speech you want them to walk away and not say oh this was just another speech they wanted want to say, that was really cool.

I mean, he had some really funny lines in there. He was really funny and all this stuff. So that's the Shemay. Okay. Hey, I love it. Love the Shemay. We're about to Shemay all day. Oh, yeah.

That's pretty much all we got. I know. That's why I love being on this show. Because are you kidding me? I was waiting for a long time not to be on this show. Because you guys have the magic down. I mean, you have so much fun and you're over the top and your personalities come out, you know, and people are not used to this from football players because they think that they're great

on the football field. But I mean, here you are. I mean, you have all these other talents. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. What you just said is a big deal. I want to let you know why, because we just so happen to be in the same hotel that you were eating brunch at one morning, and you walked in, and I was up in my room, and the boys were at the restaurant, and there was 45 texts in a group text. Heads up, heads up, Arnold

fucking Schwarzenegger is here. That is the reaction that your name gets from our group, so you saying nice things about us is sweet, but felt like there was a little shmay in there too. You know what I mean? Felt like there was a little bit of shmay. Always done everything to shmay. Connor has a question for you.

Yeah, Arnold, something that maybe didn't have that much shway, if you will, is when you had to drive a tank in for your military time in Austria. And I believe, as the story goes, you tell it in the documentary is that you actually kind of, kind of just said, Hey, fuck it. I have to go to this weightlifting competition. What was the,

was there any fallout from that? Cause I assume if you were told you couldn't go by, you know, a high ranking officer and then you still go, there's probably a problem, but was that one of the most, or, you know,

one of the most important decisions, if you will you know deciding to kind of break the rules a little bit and going and doing that competition that really kind of kick-started everything for you well you know i did not at that time look at it as an important decision i just registered uh you know to compete in that competition on October 31st in Stuttgart, Germany. And in the meantime, I was drafted to go to the military. So I was in the middle of basic training when this happened. And so I went to the office and I said, hey, I want to go to this competition.

And they said, no, you're in basic training and no one can leave the base when you're in basic training so i said to myself oh fuck i don't give a shit i'm gonna go anyway and so i just i just went knowing that when i come back the punishment will be severe and they would throw me in jail and they will be peeling potatoes in the kitchen all night long every night and all that kind of stuff is it but so what i mean, you know, to me, that didn't scare me. I did not give a shit about anything other than that I have to win this competition. And this is it. This is what I was training for. And I was training

in the military, even doing this basic training which was like hard as hell. But I was training and training and training, doing my weightlifting and my whole thing. I went out to Stuttgart and I won the fucking competition you know i just uh hey i there was guys from all over europe competing and so this was my you were earlier asking the question what was the deciding moment where i said this is all working and i'm in

the right direction this was the moment because now when i won the european championships with the age of 18 the junior championships then I knew I was on the right track because I knew that the year later, after the military was over, I will come back and win the regular Mr. Europe competition and best built man of Europe. And this is exactly what happened. The year later, I won Mr. Europe

and the best built man of Europe went to the Mr. Universe contest with the age of 19, came second in the Mr. Universe. The following year, I went back to the Mr. Universe one. So to me, that was a deciding thing. But when I came back to the military, yeah, they did not know what to do. I came back with a fucking trophy. I came back with a trophy.

So they said, well, should we not punish him for being a winner? Or should we punish him because he left without permission? So they didn't know what to do. So they put me in jail for one night. And then let me out and then the next day they celebrated with me and they were all drinking they were all drunk uh and drinking champagne and celebrating with me this great great victory so it was it really ended up fantastic because the austrian military you should know they have 100 behind you, you know, athletic activities. When someone wants to train for soccer or skiing or this,

they give you the time off to do that. And they always gave me plenty of time throughout my time to, in the afternoon, when everyone was having to wash their tanks and oil the tanks and grease it and do all that stuff, I went into the gym. I went and lifted weights for hours and hours in the afternoon. I did my tank driving in the morning, and hours in the afternoon i did my tank driving in the morning and then in the afternoon the other guys washed my tank and i was like out there working out like hell very nice of them to wash the tank did you say did you was that the first

time you're on the record of saying like i'll be back with the trophy like is that is that the first time you were on record of saying that you think think? Maybe that was maybe a little foreshadowing? The most amazing thing is that the first time I said, I'll be back was on Terminator because I hated the way it said, I'll. As a German, we don't have this, right? It's I'll. So I kept saying to Jim Cameron, I said, Jim, I said, why don't I? I'm a machine.

I should say, I said, Jim, I said, why don't I, I'm a machine. I should say, I will be back. And he says, no, I wrote, I'll be back. And I said, but it's better if I say,

I will be back. And he says, Arnold, I don't tell you how to fucking act. And so don't tell me I'll be back. He says, let's just do 10 takes of I'll be back. And then we,

we, we pick the favorite one. If you're worried about it sounds bad, I think it sounds great the way you say it. So let's just do it. And so we did it. And no one knew at that time this was a special line because then when the movie came out,

all these people started running up to me and say, Arnold, say this line, I'll be back. And I said, I'll be back. And they said, no, no, no, no, the way you say it in the movie. So I said, oh, okay, I'll be back. And then they say, yeah, said it in the movie so i said oh okay i'll be back and then to say hey that was it oh this is fantastic so i realized all of a sudden that we had a magic line there so all of the lines that you see from the movies that get to the chopper you know this is a

like we did not know this is going to be some a line that people will repeat now everywhere i go to the gym or right on a street with the bicycle, people are screaming at me, get to the chopper! Put that cookie down! And then all this kind of dialogue. That was amazing. Hey, you know exactly what we were looking for.

You know exactly what we were looking for right there. Here we are 30 years later. Yeah, play the hits. Still got it. I appreciate that you haven't... It's the shmay. That's the shmay. It's the shmay. That's the shmay. I appreciate that you haven't gotten jaded by it, though. You know, some people get jaded by that type of shit.

No, no. To me, none of this matters. To me, the only thing that counts to me is to do exactly what I want to do, to chase my goals, and I don't feel any special. I never felt unique. Oh, Arnold, you're great and all that stuff this is all bogus you know i can look in the mirror and say i look like shit and uh you know this i i never really satisfied with any of the things that i do i'm always hungry for better and for more and i think that's what drives me this is what makes me kind of motivated and excited so

when i get up in the morning there's always a purpose there you know i always say the first thing i do is feed my animals my miniature donkey donkey and my my my lulu and whiskey uh my pony and then i have the pig schnelly uh and then that's the three dogs so and then i go on the bike and i go to the gym and they work out. So I'm always on a mission. I'm always, there's always a purpose there and the work and all that stuff. So it makes life fun. Yeah.

And I think that's why you should potentially, you know, bingo. You heard what you just said. Right. It's all shit. I'm not special. Okay. We're just working. We're on a mission. We're dreaming here.

There's a lot of that in the book. Darius has a question for you. A couple of things that are special. Pat mentioned it earlier. Your work ethic, your optimism. Where did that come from? Where did that come from early in your life, going from the top of the world in show business, powerlifting, politics? Where did that come from?

And I can't let this moment pass without asking you, what are your PRs in your list? Like your bench. I need to know what's the most you put up in the bar i mean ever and i mean right now well i mean uh first of all i think that when you have a dream and you're chasing the dream that makes you automatically work hard because in order to get there you have have to work hard. So to me, working was never really a problem at all. When I was in the military, I looked forward to getting up in the morning and running around doing the basic training and to drive the tanks and do all the stuff that is to be done there.

When I came to America, I was Mr. Universe. But there was no money in bodybuilding like in football. So I had to go to work. So I was like a bricklayer. I was doing construction work when I came to America. But it was all fun. I went to school. I went to junior college.

I remember I took a few classes there always. At UCLA, I took some classes. I took acting classes. I was working out five hours a day, and I was working on construction. So it was like, the day was 24 hours. And I write about that in the book because so many people say, I don't have time to work out and I don't have time for this, for my kids. I don't have time for that. It's just all bogus. You have 24 hours. All you have to do is just really schedule your

day really well, and then you can make it. That's the bottom line so now that that's it now let me answer your second question my best bench press was 525 my best deadlift was 710 and my best squat was 610 so this one my lifts then but i have to say they are not at all uh great in compared to what some of the bodybuilders and lifters are doing today i can tell you that because today there's guys that are squatting with 700, 800 pounds, and there's guys that bench press over 600 pounds and all that stuff, bodybuilders. So, I mean, they've really gotten much better. But, you know, time moves on. People get better all the time.

Their muscles are better now and thicker and more definition and all that stuff. So it's a different era. But I was very happy with my lifts that I had then. And, you know, it made me grow really fast. And the key thing here is also to know that your head, your brain, is just like a muscle in the body. When you want to get bigger biceps, you go and give the biceps resistance. You do the curl, right?

Because that's how it grows, through resistance. And the more you go towards the pain period, that when you start hurting, and then you do the forced reps, that's when you really grow. Okay. And the same is with your brain. Same thing is with your brain,

because the more resistance that you give your brain, the more you go through suffering, the more you go and go through pain and failures and all that stuff. That is what makes you grow as a person. That's what makes you tough. That's what makes you sustain the punishment that is coming up, which we all get in life. And so this is why I always say, don't shy away from those things. Don't go for the comfort. Comfort is evil.

Comfort is evil. You have to struggle. That's what it is all about because that's what makes us strong. Hell yeah. Calloused, growth, love everything you just said. Now let's talk about what we're moving right now. You know what I mean? What are we moving right now?

We're moving right now. You know what I mean? What are we moving right now? We're moving right now. I don't do bench press anymore because of my shoulder problems. But I mean, I also don't lift any more heavy weights because after my heart surgery in 1997, the doctor, the heart specialist said,

that look, you know, we put new valves into your heart and so don't, you know, abuse them by, you know, pressing a lot of weights or lifting a lot of weights. And so don't, you know, abuse them by, you know, pressing a lot of weights or lifting a lot of weights.

Just down it down, bring the weight down, do more reps and stuff like that. And that's what I've been doing. So are you every day still lifting? I assume that's a part of your life. Every day. I go every day to the gym. I go on my bike. I ride down to Gold's Gym.

I work out 45 minutes and then I ride the bike back. And so that's what something I do every day. Some people need it. I assume you're going to be a guy that's going to need it forever. Hopefully. We always need it. We always remember you rest, you rust. It's that simple. Hell yeah. I don't want to rust.

That's great. No one wants to rust. That's bad shmay. We don't want to hear that. We don't need any of the rust shmay on any of our shit. Last question here, Arnold. You're the man. Go ahead, Tom. Yeah, Arnold, this is a big Expendables office.

We once, for one of the shows out of here, did a table read of the Expendables. We love that movie and all those movies. So my question to you is, what was it like working with the greatest collection of actors of all time in a movie? working with the Grey's collection of actors of all time in a movie? You know, if people would know what I saw, they would be just shocked because those are the sweetest guys. I remember that I had surgery just before I went on Expendables 2. And I went to the set and I told the guys,

I said, look, I will not be able to run around or do the things that I want to do. So I need a lot of help here. Because they didn't want to postpone the shooting and all that stuff. And I tell you, those guys, all of them, they jumped into action. I mean, Bruce Willis was running there to put a pad down so when I run over to this desk

and have to kneel down, fall on my knees, that I have a padded landing. I mean, this is the kind of stuff that I saw there. I tell you, those ballsy guys, the toughest guys in the world were there, and they were so kind and so sweet and so helpful. I mean, I would never, ever forget that. So to me, I think the world of these guys, and they're great, great entertainers.

They're multi-talented. Some of them are UFC fighters and football players, and some are from the boxing background and this and that. And just really, really terrific guys. It was a great pleasure for me to do this work with those guys and expandables. And we had a fantastic time together. You think we need about 10 more of those? Yeah.

Just as a whole, 10 more of those. No problem at all. Feels like you got enough time to figure that one out in your day. Before we get out of here, I have to mention, we're just now learning about the Arnold's Pump Club, which is, I believe, a newsletter, a daily email, that's just going to motivate the hell out of you. Yup.

If it's anything like this conversation we just had, yup. Is that showing up in my email every morning? Yup. Am I becoming Arnold Schwarzenegger because of this thing? Maybe. Maybe. Is that what the newsletter is? Is that what we're popping off in the email?

The newsletter will not make you another Arnold Schwarzenegger. The newsletter will make you inspired to work out every day, to work on yourself, to improve yourself. It is the positive corner on the internet because there's so much negativity out there all the time. People talk about hating each other because they're from different parties and different races and this and that.

And I am so much against all that. I'm about inclusion and bringing people together. And I want them to be happy. I want them to be successful. And this is what this does. It pumps you up. That's why it's called the pump corner. It's like it pumps you up.

Well, I can't wait to get pumped the fuck up you're the man dude i really appreciate you i can't wait to see how many people continue to read this book and how a generation can maybe be inspired by a man that took a shot on betting on himself and with an obsessive work ethic has become one of the most influential humans to ever exist i appreciate the hell out of you what's the rest of the day look like what do we got the rest of the day look like? What do we got the rest of the day? Well, I'm now going to go on my bike ride and I'm going to go work out and then I'm going to have lunch with my son, with Patrick

and then I will continue doing my businesses. I heard you just got done playing a game of chess. Beat the shit out of somebody. That's what I heard. I heard we put him in. Don't say it too loud because he's sitting right next to me. Hey, watch out for that closed Sicilian, okay?

Especially when Arnold's working his shit. The shmay is at an all-time high. We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen. The legend, Arnold Schwarzenegger. Hey, Arnold. Love you, Arnold. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. I'll be back. Yes. Hold on. Hey, Arnold. Arnold, there's a chopper right over there. There's a chopper right over there. There's a chopper right over there. Get to the chopper.

Love you, Arnold. Yeah, he's gone. See you guys. Miss you. Love you, Arnold. Love you all. That was unbelievable. Pat ran to the bathroom.

He got the chopper, dude. Asshole. He has a fucking chopper out there. He had to go. Wake up.. That was unbelievable. We got the chopper, dude. Asshole. We had to go on the way there. Couldn't crease the air forces either. I don't know if you saw me mid-run. Had to run a little flat water to the chopper. Not that much urgency. Well, that's stupid.

Yes. We had Barry Sanders yesterday. Wachita. Sorry about that. Which, by the way, we are almost one full show away. No. It is zero on Tuesday. It is. It certainly is.

Come on. Yeah, zero full shows. Oh, no, that's fuck. Oh, yeah. That was Jay Glazer. That was Jay Glazer. Oh, yeah. That's F-Dash. That was Jay Glazer. That was Jay Glazer. It wasn't me.

The Wachita one is yesterday with Barry Sanders. And then Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah, there it is. There we go. Made it. Good work, D-Boy. You think that ever happened to you? You got to deflect, too, and go to AJ.

Hey, AJ, what you laughing at? What are you laughing at? Something's funny? Yep. I'm not asking a fucking question. Rewatching Hey, AJ, what you laughing at? What are you laughing at? Something funny? I'm trying to ask a fucking question. Rewatching it, though, you did have it. You had Witcher out of your mouth. You had Witcher out of your mouth.

You were at the T. Yeah, you were at the T. There's two letters left in that whole thing. You were there. I can guess myself. Never should. Can't do that. Gotta have conviction.

Gotta believe in yourself. Rip the ball down. We got from Barry Sanders to fucking Arnold Schwarzenegger. Wow. This is awesome. Pretty sweet. That was cool. I'm very happy to hear that he knows about our show.

How about his girlfriend in the Achilles factory? Small world. That little office over there, that little factory over there has really done us well. Hey, thank you. Thank you, factory. How about Arnold? I would assume she was forced to watch some. Probably.

Because of Aaron. And then she brings up, you should see these dipshits. Talk about shmay. I like these guys. He starts watching the show. That's amazing to think about. Are we friends with Arnold Schwarzenegger? Feels like it.

Yeah, it does, actually. I'm certainly signing up for the fucking pump club. Send him an animal. Send him some sweet animal. He has those sweet animals. Let's send him a zebra or something. Donkey what else he's pony yeah mini pony yep mini horse go hang out with them he says we send him a send him a bison yeah send him something huge maybe fucking elephant yes so say we'll always remember you you know what i mean that'd be a good gift

let's send him a fucking elephant good luck picking picking up that shit. Shmay. Shmay. Love you. How about that? Hey, good question back there, Nick, about Shmay. I didn't remember that from the documentary. Thanks, man. It just stuck with me for some reason. It was like, he got that certain type of charm, that charisma that you can't really define. Moxie. He summed it up.

Yeah, because they brought up the comments about the pomp is better than coming. And that's where he talks about the shmay. He said one, yeah. That's what he said. Hey, that's verbatim in the documentary. He's trying to promote the sport. Word's out of his mouth.

Yes. How about him giving us some tips, by the way? Hey, when you're really, the ones that are forced reps, that's when we're growing. So go ahead and power. Let's get to that. Let's power through. And then now we're moving. You rest, you rust.

Oh, I love that. Retire when through. And then now we're moving. You rest, you rust. Oh, I love that. Retire when you're in a box, he said. He's on this side of the grass. That motherfucker, he's a workhorse. He goes. He's got a great beard, too. Very good. Because it's probably shaped.

It's right here on the cover. The handsome fellow on that cover. Yeah, super handsome. Not able to work out the way he used to because his heart. Right. What, we see him in the national championship yeah

that was the hotel there you go oh yeah I shit my pants yeah that was the text yeah I wasn't there

I missed it holy shit holy shit like six of them pum pum pum fuck fuck fuck wow wow wow yeah

Arnold Schwarzenegger's at the restaurant right now where in the hotel I couldn't get there 10 feet away from us. Yep. Thought I was never going to meet him.

Had 15 eggs for breakfast. And after those, he said, I'll be Bach for 15 more. Boom. How about him just start rattling off the hits? He leans into it. Love it. True Lies is so good. I'm going to re-watch True Lies.

That's a great movie. I wanted to ask him about that dream sequence where he just hammer fist Bill Pullman's face, I believe it was, multiple times in the car. You guys remember that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's a great scene. Turbo Man, right?

In the van? Turbo Man was awesome. No. He's driving the little convertible. Jingle all the way. Ooh. That neighbor in the middle of me saying, fuck that guy. I remember he's dead.

Yeah, but you said all right. Yeah, well, that's why. I was really about to roll on that guy. I remember he's dead. Yeah, but you said, all right. Yeah, well, that's why I had, I was really about to roll on that guy. He's a great actor. Because everything that Arnold was talking about, work ethic and having to work to have things, that guy was preying on. You know, the next door neighbor.

Oh, he's never, oh, he's at work again, huh? Trying to provide. I'm not, I don't fucking work. I don't do any of that. Sliding in the back door and then turbo man's wanted. Oh, that guy, real heel. One of the biggest heels of any movie I've ever watched. It was Phil Hartman.

Phil Hartman, yeah. Recipe. Sinbad helped him out, right? Didn't they kind of team up? Sinbad, yeah. In Jingle All the Way. Yeah, in a way. Yeah.

In a way, yeah. He was certainly a part of the process. Yeah, for sure. He was at the store. Kindergarten Cop was my all-time. Oh, yeah. We're almost at the time to watch, not Kindergarten Cop, but you can watch that anytime. Anytime.

Yeah, but. But Jingle All the Way. Oh, we're there. Santa Claus. Grinch. Next week. We're here. We're there.

There's no Thanksgiving movie. Friday, really. Bingo. Go ahead and turn on the Santa Claus and say, hey, Scott Calvin, take me into the fucking holiday season. And then just let Jim Carrey dress up as the Grinch in a snowflake floating through town. Let that go ahead and bang.

And why not drop in fucking Jingle all the way on the other side? Absolutely. If you're feeling frisky, maybe Fred Claus. Did you see the news, by the way? Bad Santa. Yeah, Shaq Leonard got cut. I know. Thanks, Diggs.

This guy just wants to take us back from before Arnold Schwarzenegger. No, no, real news. They cut Anthony Richardson? No. James Carey is signed on to do Grinch 2 now. Wow. I believe that's horseshit. Oh, I'm sorry.

Are all these reputable sources horseshit? I don't know. That comes out. It's come out a couple times in the last few years. I don't think so. What are the reputable sources? Well, is Jim Carrey in the mood to just become the Grinch for, what, four months? Exactly.

And that's what he does? Yeah. He's a method guy. That would be tough. He hasn't done much. We've got to ask Arnold about that. Boom. Daily Mail, Jim Carrey to star in a Grinch sequel 23 years after originally playing the part of Grumpy Christmas.

Unilad, okay, they buy up all this stuff on the internet and they own every viral video. Jim Carrey reportedly set to return. And then Screen Geek. Screen Geek. I'll buy it. I'll allow it. They said one day ago, Jim Carrey reportedly returning for The Grinch 2. That's great news for everybody. Huge. Scott Calvin came back too, right? Yep.

That's actually in season two. That's a show? Santa Claus's, yeah. Yeah, it's a show, right? What? That's a great show. The Santa Claus buddy. That's the show? Santa Claus's, yeah. Yeah, it's a show, right? What? That's a great show. The Santa Claus? Buddy, that's the best one. Damn good. One show. They did it.

I could watch all of them. Yeah, they're all good, but yeah, the first one is, yes, very good. Fred Claus. D-Bot, you seen the Santa Claus? Yeah. No, you haven't. No, you haven't. You son of a bitch.

What happens in it? D-Bot? Christmas comes. Hello. I got myself a chimney. Oh, yeah. Cookies. He does, though. Wow.

Yeah. That's the end of it. See? My bad. I knew you saw it. How about The Grinch? You seen that one with Jim Carrey? Yeah.

Thank you. Okay. Four Christmases. Home Alone. What's your favorite? What's your favorite Christmas movie? Oh, Home Alone. I with Jim Carrey? Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Four Christmases. Home Alone. What's your favorite? What's your favorite Christmas movie? Oh, Home Alone. I completely forgot.

One? Yeah. For sure. See, I love Lost in New York, but yeah. I don't mind New York as well. Plus, DJ T's in it, too. Yes. Yeah, he makes a cameo.

That's great. He's president. Yeah. That's not my president. Oh, I didn't know who you were talking about. Because he's not the president right now. Wow. He was cool to everybody.

First sound of reason that you've had in a long time. I have plenty of reason. I'm just saying, in that particular sphere. Look at you growing. Yeah. Look at you. Arnold's my president. Maybe.

Could be. He did go into policy a little bit there. He did. He still does it. Oh, yeah. I wasn't born here. Right. Yeah.

Could be governor. Yeah. Yeah. You can't be president. What are you going to be? 35? American born? Yep. Hell yeah. Yeah, you can't be president. What are you going to be, 35? American born? Hell yeah.

That's it. Red blooded? Well, actually, these days you have to be 75. Yeah, 80 years old, can't talk. To run for what? Any position in politics. Great. Crazy.

Most of the high up ones, too. How is that a thing, you think? I don't know anything about that. We need to go to Argentina now and figure out how they did it. All right. I've heard you were talking the way you're talking. That guy. What? And this is exactly what I've been saying about reason and logic and everything like that.

That is reason and logic. Some of those videos come out and make me question AI. You know what I mean? Yeah. Some of them come out. That guy's a lightning rod. I guess that's not AI is what we've been told. Nope.

Great sideburns on that son of a bitch. I don't know. Sideburns, you notice that? All I see is that hair. Yeah, hair too. Sideburns come down to his jaw. His hair doesn't move, but his face certainly says a lot. Oh, yeah.

And it is really going. A lot of product. All right, before we get out of here, and it has been a glorious Tuesday. Arnold Schwarzenegger Tuesday. Hell yeah. Yes. Yep. Who, Arnold Schwarzenegger's watching?

Hey, Arnold Schwarzenegger's watching? Hey Arnold, listen, you're one of the greats. Society needs you to continue to be that way. You should stop watching this shitty ass fucking show. Okay, Arnold? We got a lot of shmay around here. It's not shmay you need though. We need you to continue to

do policy and to continue to serve society. We need you to continue to do policy and to continue to serve society. We need this fourth act to be bigger than the first three acts combined because that is what's possible. With the brain that you have, Arnold Schwarzenegger, our show only going to ruin that. Only going to ruin that.

Need less of us, but we need more of you. Hell yeah. Amen. I think we need to come to the Thunderdome. Bring a box of scars. Could you imagine how quickly we would fucking ruin his shmay if he came out here to the Thunderdome? You would love the Hawk House, though.

Him in the Hawk House would be great. I don't think I've done any of those poses before, by the way, but when Mr. Olympia says, hey, 13-time world champion, says, hey, why don't you show me some of those muscles you have? You have to. Look natural. I've seen you guys do this in photos. Yep.

I've seen this one before. Yeah, Hulk Hogan did that one all the time, brother. Yep. That had to be for a reason. Oh, yeah. Hulk was just dominating the mic. I should have woke him up. That would have been good.

And he's posing in those documentaries. Holy shit. Crazy. Feels like you're going to pass out. Yeah. Like the way they, Here he is from Conan. Will Chamberlain and Andre the Giant. Those are big

guys. Those are big guys. That's him in the middle, yep. That's him in the middle. Yeah. That's the guy we just talked to. On the right, Andre the Giant, he used to be able to drink 60 beers in one flight from California to New York or whatever. Beast. And then the other side, there's a lot of stories

about him and his accomplishments as well. Great at basketball. Charmer. He's a charmer. They tell true stories about him all the time. All the time. Especially that 100-point game. A little questionable. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

I just haven't seen any film of it. You're talking about the 100 points? You're talking about the 100 points or that he had sex with 25,000 women? This is all I've seen of that 100 points. What, just a sign? Yeah. You're better than that. Better fucking believe it.

I just haven't seen it. I'll tell you what. I didn't really believe that conspiracy until I was shown all the facts. We saw the box score. Oh, yeah. Boom. Game, set, match. You don't buy it?

I mean, they're starting five, seven white guys on the other side. I think he probably, he could have scored 400 points if he wanted to. Yeah, you're right. The fact that they said it was 100 might have been a lie. It might have been 120. Exactly. Might have been 105.

Might have shaved a couple off. We have no idea. No three seconds either. So you could just go down there, park it, not even have to. Scoring 100 points, you're going to need it. That's a point like. Yeah, quick.

That's really quick. Oh, yeah. We don't have to move. Score 100 points, you're going to need it. That's a point like. Yeah, quick. That's really quick. Oh, yeah. We don't have three seconds anyways. No, 50 basket. Yeah, we got to just keep this thing moving. Anyways, let's keep it moving. Thank you for watching, Arnold. Great cigars.

What's he smoking there, you think? And I saw you because you saw him smoking half the. That's like a natural smoker's thing to do. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's some great clips ofnold talking to the camera about why he smokes cigars and calling people calling people out for not smoking where they want well actually here is the clip that you're referring to of arnold talking about his cigar smoking you're right they said it was 100 might have been that is not the clip that was me that's not exception

that was me talking holy shit that is not what I'm reading that daily newsletter, so I am becoming Arnold. Because I'm a stud. I'm ballsy. I don't take no shit from anyone. I smoke my stogie anywhere I want. I don't have to find a hideout place like you. That's a full longer clip, too. There's a couple minutes in that one, but that's obviously the highlight.

I'm at the end laughing in the face. What do you think he's a couple minutes in that one, but that's obviously the highlight. How about at the end, laughing in the face? What do you think he's smoking, AJ? What do you think he's smoking? Something really nice. Something nice that I've never got my hands on. What type of thing? Can you, like, is there, you know, if you were to ask me about marijuana, for instance, I would give some sort of answer. Connecticut reference, probably.

No, I think he's nice, dark, heavy cigars that men smoke. Like, he knows what he's doing. Okay, so what are those? Those are the slow burners. Those are the, they take a are the they take a while the heavy dark ones what does that mean yeah i mean it's kind of like more potent a little when you a little more bite to it i think as you do it it's almost like i compare it to beer drinkers that drink like light beer compared to ipas that you taste them and you know you see the beer and it's 19 alcohol and it's red and they tell you it's beer.

Some cigars taste like that kind of. Got it. Okay. A little thicker, a little heavier. A little bit more cigar-y cigar. Got it. Okay. I love that that's what he's smoking. That's what he should be smoking. Beast. I mean, he smokes wherever the fuck he wants. Unlike you.

We're off Thursday and Friday and I think the boys maybe let that seatbelt in. Is it smelling there? We do apologize for our lack of focus. Swap that chair up. There is a little bit of a little excrement of shirt. So the baby last night goes down to sleep about 6.37-ish. Hadn't pooped yesterday though So obviously

It's coming A little bit of an alarm Yeah So at about 8.10 You know she's screaming She's crying down there And she's going through a little Fever thing as well

So you know all eyes on Little thing Whole night I go down Get her out We go down Get her out As soon as I put her up

On the thing We're talking Nice Expl the thing we're talking nice explosion dump we're talking out the side of the diaper yeah whole situation it's dark in there obviously because we're trying to keep it dark so it's like we i heard the situation i felt the situation but i didn't fully have eyes on the situation in real time ruined her ones a her little sleepy ones. I mean, just absolutely decapitated the diaper as well. Just powered right through it.

I think a similar thing just happened to Ty. Because I saw his face kind of go through a little bit as if my baby was crying. Uncomfort, a little discomfort happening in the face. And then some bubble must have moved through there. And, you know, every once in a while you just kind of have a miscalculation this one just just audio you know is this one just audio oh or is there a potential virtual reality happening here as well this one was video audio and virtual reality he that guy dumped his pants yeah yeah you can tell when he was writing it out too because i glanced over i was like i wonder what this is about never happened before before. Yeah, I saw the eye just SH. Oh, no.

You can really see it on his face. He was disgusted with himself there. He felt like he was disgusted with himself. I mean, that is going to be a photo that I might put as my bio. My banner. Yeah. Maybe. Might have to. Zito is actually printing it so we can

hang it up in the studio at some point as we speak. I think it's time for us to get out of here. We've done enough today. Haven't we? The hell of a day. I think you're probably right. Oh, yes.

Proud of you, Ty. That boy, Ty. Zito just loving it over his shoulder. Yeah, he is. That guy just ruined a pair of pants. So good. Some underwear and probably a chair. And maybe his afternoon. But it could have got better as well yeah because what's on the other side of a shart hmm it's clear guts amen so whenever you're going through a shard or a

shitty situation remember the sun is brightest after the darkest dawn yep the air is cleanest after the most shitty air has come through boom Everything Ty's going through is a nice little encapsulation of today's conversation with Arnold. You never have a losing situation. You have a learning situation. One that you can build calluses from and get better from. Us as a show, although

one of us shit our pants in the middle of the show today, tomorrow, maybe we don't. We get better from this. We grow from this. We learn from this. We get get better from this we grow from this we learn from this and we get callous from this aj anything to add on top of that about the mindset going forward after one of our guys shits his pants live on the air after we talked to arnold schwarzenegger just an hour before that i don't want to rain on any positivity because i agree i love arnold's attitude his mindset everything is positive Everything is an opportunity to get better.

But unfortunately for Ty, it's not always better on the other side of one of these shorts because that just means another one might be coming in an hour or two. No, not today. No, not today. This was the only one. That's old Ty. Not today. That won't happen anymore.

This is the last one he's ever going to have. Bingo. This isn't an indicator to an evening filled with... There's going to have. Bingo. This isn't an indicator to an evening filled up. There's going to be any of that. And Connor alluded to it. He had a delicious looking Whopper. Yeah. 10.45 a.m.

By 10.45 a.m. I saw it. It inspired me to get a burger. I ordered a burger. I was looking at him like, you know what? That fucking burger looks really good this morning. I said, I need to get me a burger. But we knew he was rolling the burger. I was looking at him like, you know what? That fucking burger looks really good this morning. I said, I need to get me a burger. But we knew he was rolling the dice. I think he even got some onion rings, too.

I think it was chocolate milk. Nick had the chocolate milk? Nick had the chocolate milk from IHOP. These guys really roll the dice in the morning with this situation on a regular basis. Perfectly acceptable thing to eat with breakfast. There's no way, dude. That is true. I love chocolate milk.

These guys should be shitting their pants every day and it only happens every once in a while. That's what we need to continue to look at. D-Butt, I don't know if you're here tomorrow. Are you here tomorrow? Have a great Thanksgiving. Have a great Thanksgiving, D-Butt. Happy Thanksgiving.

Happy Thanksgiving, fellas. Happy Thanksgiving. Great work this week. You did fantastic. You too. No. All Mr. Shitty is Ty's pants, boy. We'll try to get better tomorrow.

And thank you to Arnold. Thank you to Aaron. Thank you to Dan Orlovsky. In the first hour. He was awesome. That was a long time ago. It was a long time ago. He gave us all the answers.

You remember that? He always does. I got a text from a couple people that said, you know what? I'm happy this guy has all the answers. Yeah. He does. Doesn't he, AJ? He really does. Yes. I text from a couple people that said, you know what, I'm happy this guy has all the answers. Yeah. He does. Doesn't he, AJ?

He really does, yes. I'd like to see those texts. Oh, man. This one's for Arnold, you know? Yes, here we go. Do it. This one's for Arnold. We have a new marquee.

Zero shows since Ty last started. Okay, we will keep that record. Have to. Because the way he eats, that thing might not get to 10. Bingo. Because as the season's gone on, I think boys maybe got a little bit more tired, a little bit more relaxed, a little bit more, yeah, fucking wine on a milkshake at 930.

Sure. You know what I mean? Yeah. And as we grow into adults, those react differently a little bit inside. Maybe the shart wakes some people up, too. How about the lukewarm Red Bull, too? Darius fed him right before he went live. That was interesting. He's been a good teammate.

Well, were you? Yeah. Usually, the Red Bull kind of settles your stomach a little bit. Is that how that works? What to do when you have about 20 ounces of dew in your gut, as well? I'm not responsible for other shit. Dew, Zinn, Red Bull, Whopper, Onion Ring, Chocolate Milk.

Boom. I mean, there's a chance. There's a chance. How did he shock some people, man? There's a shot. There's a shot that it might not stay in. You know? Wow. It's unavoidable.

Well, actually. He avoids it every day. I don't know how he lost today. He has defeated his butthole's urge to let one fly while wearing his pants. So often, I think we forget about how big of a rivalry that actually is. That bug keeps flying

into the windshield. Adam Cole, that piece of shit. This one's for Todd. Boom. There it is. We knew it it this one's for Arnold okay yep oh that would be so cool we go back to back this one though yeah that was a cool oh that's fucked up that's Arnold did too much for our program the artists

for the universe to do what it just did the universe knows Arnold's on top of it Ty needs the shots right now Ty made a shot for you Ty he'll be back tomorrow I think Ty I mean we'll see hopefully because what AJ was wishing upon him was like this is just one of many for the rest of the night yeah he's gonna shart on his way home and crash into a telephone pole and die

right before Thanksgiving he's pooping all over his seats and maybe even die and hope you're happy AJ alright on that note let's get out of here. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. AJ, would you like to make up for what you said about that? I think there's less than a 60% chance that Ty dumps

his pants on the way home tonight. Okay, so we don't know if that's over 50-50 or not, because you gave that 10% wiggle room there. Less than 60 is an F, though. So maybe we just fail. Ty's not dumping his pants tonight. Bingo.

No. Ever again. Ty is an adult who's married, has a job, a beautiful baby. He's not dumping his pants ever again. Nope, that was it. This was the last time he shits his pants remember the date

this is what tone started this whole thing November 21st remember forever Matt Canada relieved of offense coordinator duties for the Pittsburgh Steelers Ty Schmitz asshole relieved of the poop from his guts while still wearing pants

last time that ever happened last time we ever talked about Matt Canada Ty Schmidt's asshole relieved of the poop from his guts while still wearing pants. Last time that ever happened. Last time we ever talked about Matt Cannon being the offensive coordinator for the Steelers. That's good shmay, no matter how you look at it. And this is what we're talking about. Boom. That's what we're talking about. The boy who lived.

Change of drawers. Still walking funny. Yeah, do you have different underwear? Same pants, though. Oh, no. All right, different undies. That's an extra pair of briefs in the old locker. Smart.

Smart to keep some of those around. Yep. How's it feel back in the saddle? I made a shot for you. You did? Yeah. Thank you. Missed two for Arnold made a shot for you. You did? Yeah. Thank you. Missed two for Arnold.

No way. Made one for me? Yeah. The universe was like, you know what? Ty needs it more than Arnold right now. I feel pretty special. That could have been an unmitigated disaster. It could have been.

But luckily, we just were down, and it's too bad because it was a good pair of boxers. Oh, no. I know. One of the favorites? Yeah, for sure. Damn. For sure. Oh, yeah.

Zito typed up or printed out, Ty, thank you for providing us with another incredible moment that we will certainly have framed. And it's a real moment in the show. About an hour after Arnold Schwarzenegger left. Yep. I mean, I was playing with fire. I knew it, you know, as I took the last bite of that Whopper this morning.

Said, boy, we might be in for one today. It tasted just a little different. I don't know what it was. And will and behold, I almost made it. Almost made it. We went long today. we do what are you gonna do i was prepared though no you weren't ready for overtime i think your gut was like you know what yeah we can handle we can handle the show weren't you thinking about ordering from

somewhere else and you were like no every time i get this i fucking shit my pants yeah i said that about lincoln square pancake. Not to name any names. I would rather go to Burger King. Yeah, because Burger King's kind of been good to me. Yeah, it's been good to me the last couple weeks. It is so delicious. It is. It's unbelievable.

I ordered from McDo, McDonald's. Immediately after seeing your Burger King order, I said, damn, that burger looks good. I'm going to get the finest in the land. Quarter pounder with cheese. Ate that thing. I'm probably going to have to dump at some point, but thankfully it wasn't during the show. We did add in, you had a full Mountain Dew, a full Red Bull. No, no, no.

Quite a bit of Mountain Dew left. Oh. Okay, didn't finish that. No. How about the Red Bull? Did we get the Red Bull down? Had a couple Red Bulls. A couple?

A couple? It was an early morning. See, that's what I'm saying, Darius. I hope you're happy whenever you're providing this guy. I gave one. You killed it. I gave one Red Bull. He said, I can't turn one of those down. He just already had two before then.

We're proud of you. Way to go, Ty. Thank you to those boxers. Yeah, I tell you what, they fought valiantly. And they, KIA, obviously, but they took a couple good men down with them. Couple?

Did you throw them away in the garbage can? He just thought that he was going to take that trash out. I didn't put them in the fucking trash. I'm not an animal. Where'd you put them? In my backpack. Oh my god. Put them inside, you know, we had a bag. Yes.

And then, you know, obviously tied that thing up tight. You couldn't smell it. It's not getting out. You take them home and wash them? What? I didn't put them in the trash. I'm not an animal. I'm not an animal.

In my book bag. In my book bag. Take them home. I am. I'm going to try to salvage them. Really? That's how good they are. Yeah.

Not KIA. Come on. MRA. Well, we'll see. We'll see. Because then it's. HIA kind of hurt me. to try to salvage them. Really? That's how good they are. Not KIA. Come on. Well, we'll see. We'll see. H.I. kind of hurt me. You got to let it go. You got to let it go. They might die on the table.

The next time you go to strap those things on, all you're going to think about is, last time I wore these, I dumped my pants. Yeah. Well, I didn't dump my pants. I shard it. Oh, okay. I'm certainly different.

Tomato to motto. Yeah, certainly different. It is. I dumped in the toilet, which could have been in the boxers, but luckily it was just a little streak. There's a difference, too. That's going to happen. It's going to happen when you're eating Burger King.

Well, thanks for not leaving that in the trash. Well, yeah, exactly. I mean, because it smelled awful. I mean, it smelled awful. All right. Well, yeah, exactly. I mean, because it smelled awful. I mean, it smelled awful. All right. Well, we're proud of you. People said this show was going to change. Remember that?

Sellouts. Sellouts. Those were good times. That was awesome. I was getting some terrible things said to me from our people, you know? And I appreciated their passion and everything. But like I said then, I will say now, we are too stupid to change. Okay? You think Ty's butth we are too stupid to change. Okay?

You think Ty's butthole was ever going to change? Nope. Can't. Can't. You think we were ever going to be able to? Can't. Too dumb. But we're very thankful that everybody spends their afternoons with us.

That does. Or mornings or evenings, depending upon where the hell you are. We're getting the numbers back for this program. A lot of people watch. You are the best on earth. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life.

Goodbye.