The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1024 - MNF Recap, Michael Lombardi, Aaron Rodgers, Darius Butler LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: November 28, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about last night’s abysmal Monday Night Football game between the Bears and Vikings, David Tepper’s press conference today detailing the firing of Frank Reich and the Panthers initially planned to trade for the #2 pick and CJ Stroud, but ended up getting Bryce Young instead, and they chat about the budding rivalry between the Eagles and the 49ers ahead of this week’s showdown. Joining the show is 3x Super Bowl Champion, former GM of the Cleveland Browns, host of the Lombardi Line and GM Shuffle podcast, Michael Lombardi joins the show to chat about the David Tepper situation and how they get that right, which other coaches he think might be getting let go, the importance of a team liking their Quarterback, the Eagles v. 49ers matchup, and everything else happening around the NFL (19:42-54:10). Next, 4x MVP, Super Bowl Champion/MVP, the Quarterback of the New York Jets, Aaron Rodgers joins the show to chat about his recovery and rehab process, the evolution of cadences in the NFL, if there is still a plan in place to come back this year if the Jets are in playoff contention, reflections on everything as his 40th birthday approaches, his thoughts on the college football landscape, and much more (58:38-2:03:34). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. Or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people, and welcome to our Humble Abode, the Thunderdome. On this Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, November 28th, 2023, this sports program starts now. Football! Happened last night, didn't it? Oh yeah. I guess that's what you would call it on Monday Night Football. The NFC North brought some nice Iowa Hawkeye-type football to prime time. To wrap up this beautiful Week 12

where we saw the Chicago Bears beat the Minnesota Vikings. Now, for those of us that took the Chicago Bears plus three and a half, obviously we were elated to wake up this morning and see that we did what we did. Justin Fields had some moments of greatness. The Pasternaught story, though, in Minnesota might be coming to an end as Kevin O'Connell, head coach of the Minnesota Vikings after the game, said, we will be evaluating everything at the quarterback position after the Pashtonaut threw four interceptions.

Now, there was tips and deflections. That's going to happen. But what started as a beautiful story in Minnesota with the Pashtonaut has certainly become something vastly different. And for the Chicago Bears, they're just watching the Carolina Panthers hoping they continue to self-destruct so they can get the number one overall pick in the draft. What does the future look like there?

Who knows? We'll talk about that. We'll also chit-chat with a guy named Aaron Rodgers today. Now, is he watching? What's going on with the Jets? Is he still rushing his rehab for the Achilles that was certainly torn, although there are still more people saying that he didn't tear his Achilles because how fast he's recovering from this is defying all science.

It's defying all medicine. It's defying all medicine. It's defying everything we know about the Achilles injury. But here he is, dressed in a cape, walking with some hilarious shoes into the stadium this past week where he is full-time now out in New York and New Jersey with the team. I'm excited to chit-chat with him in a second hour. Michael Lombardi will be joining us in about 18 minutes. He's cooking on some stuff, and the boys are here. The Talks at Table, at at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt.

Love the John Deere, pal. Shout out to you. Yep, got to do it. I mean, you mentioned the Iowa Hawkeyes there in your open. It is championship week, so now it starts. You got to squeeze every little bit of good juju you can to maybe see if the Hawks can get a W on Saturday, and that starts with putting on your finest John Deere dungarees.

And I do have my hat out there, but don't want to overdo it. Don't want to overcook it. So, you know, just showing a little love to all the farmers out there because everybody knows America needs farmers. Yeah, America does need farmers. Amen. And we appreciate all the farmers out there. And championship week that you're talking about is the Big Ten championship.

This weekend, college football will be hosting all of its championships starting on Friday night with the Pac-12 Championship in a rematch of one of the greatest games of the season of Oregon versus Washington. A lot of Heisman implications potentially on the line there. College football playoff implications on the line. And then on Saturday here in Indianapolis, the Iowa Hawkeyes take on the Michigan Wolverines

fresh off a big win over Ohio State. That's right. And you know what? It's house money. I mean, I'm not crazy enough to go in there expecting the Hawks to win, but guess what? You know, 23-point dogs, everyone's saying, hey, this team sucks. They have no chance.

That's a very, very dangerous situation to be in. They were saying that whenever you guys went and played against Penn State, too, you guys lost 31-0. Yeah, and what's Penn State doing this weekend? Well, exactly. They're not in the Big Ten Championship. The Hawks are, and that's really all that weekend? Well, exactly. They're not in the Big Ten Championship. The Hawks are. And that's really all that matters.

So, you know. Oh, okay. So, yeah, James Franklin, that's fine. And also, you know, that was in Happy Valley. That wasn't at a neutral site, okay? And this isn't really neutral. And Indiana's much more like Iowa than it is like Michigan. You're right.

You're right. Ann Arbor, I don't think so. Very, you know, kind of uppity. Indianapolis, hard-nosed, hard-working, just like Iowa City is. The boys, when the Hawks touch down, it's almost going to feel like Iowa City. So, I don't know. Could you call it a home game for Iowa? Maybe.

We'll see. I don't know if the Michigan fans are going to view it that way. I think they will probably travel in abundance. I think it will be pretty blue out here. I think it's going to be pretty split. But in the last year of divisions in the Big 10 uh east and west the west division not great east division very good so now top three this is what's that top three very good and then outside of that kind of just like the west there are three very good teams in the big 10 then there's iowa

then there's kind of everybody else and the three very good teams are all in the big 10 east that is correct but hey i don't control the geographic locations of the United States. What do you want me to do about it? Sorry. Is it my fault that Iowa has to play Minnesota and Wisconsin and Northwestern and Illinois and all these other shitty teams that are in the Big Ten West? That's not my fault. That's not the Hawks' fault.

They're changing it next year, though. They are. So let's enjoy the hell out of this one for the Iowa Hawkeyes. Why do you think I'm doing this whole song and dance? Absolutely. Because I don't know when they're going to be back, if ever. We've got a good three to four days here to take a victory lap about being in the Big Ten Championship.

Exactly. Last ever Big Ten West champions. You kidding me? I mean, wow. Last game with Brian Ferentz as the offense coordinator. Yeah, I know. I know. Just a lot of different storylines, a lot of just tradition coming to an end.

But I am going to drink it in this week. Don't worry. I did not expect to dive into a Big Ten championship breakdown, but as soon as I saw that beautiful John Deere, I should have known what was going on. And for you, Connor, what's that on your chest there? It's the ugliest animal I could find because that was the worst football game I've ever seen last night. So this is going to be my silent protest, but it's not going to be silent. A were, a terrible, ugly, maybe a meerkat, which I think is...

Meerkat Manor used to be a great show. They're a pretty curious bunch. I always do this one right here. A lot of this one here. What was that over there? Jerry Johnson. Yeah. Timon, one of the Lion King. That's a meerkat with Pumbaa, the fat pig. You know what I'm talking about?

Kinda. Yeah. No, not at all. But either way, it's a nice little animal. But yeah, I'm done with this bullshit that we've been watching. I can't do it anymore. And I really, I'm trying. I've said to myself multiple times last night, look, we get to. Football isn't going to be here in just three short months. So you soak it in, you know, 12 to 10.

Soak that in. And I tried to many times. It was tough, though. It was tough to stay awake. It was tough to watch. I was playing music just over the broadcast to try and kind of raise spirits maybe, you know, kind of listen to it. Boom. Put some levels on.

Let's bring some BPMs in this. Exactly. You can call me Al. Came on. That was a great four minutes of that game. I enjoyed it thoroughly. As a whole, though, boy, it's tough. Yeah, it is tough, but we've got to watch it

because there's implications on every single game. You know, like the future of the Vikings last night potentially was a big part of the deciding factor. Future of the Bears, what's it going to be? Who knows? Justin Fields has an audition process here. Now he wins with four field goals. Is that the way we're looking for it?

Maybe. Maybe that's what Chicago's looking for. There's a video of Ryan Poles up in the booth, and he seemed to be saying it's the same play over and over and over. So is there a little bit of tension between Ibraflus and Poles? What does that mean with Kevin Warren coming in, the former Big Ten commissioner? Shout out to Iowa Hawkeyes playing in the Big Ten championship.

Is the new president of that team, does he want to bring in a new GM? Does he want to bring in his own head coach? What does that mean for Sweat that they just paid $100 million to? What does that mean for Justin Fields, who's a first-round draft pick at quarterback? Who knows? All I do know is that neither of these teams are exactly thrilled with where they are. And if you're on that Minnesota Vikings defense, you've got to be about fed up. You've got to be about sick of it.

They haven't given up a touchdown in the first half of the last five games. Only gave up 12 last night, obviously, the Chicago Bears. They have been a unit. B-Flow has obviously done fantastic things, as has Ibraflux, I guess, with the Bears' defense. They've certainly looked a lot better over the past few weeks than they did at the beginning of the season. But that was a shit show of a game last night.

That's another primetime game, especially on Monday Night Football games, 13-1 to the under, I guess, is what Monday Night Football is. So when these big lights come on, and when the game that is being promoted all day with storylines and interviews and here we are, all eyes are on us, the offenses have not shown up. But on

the flip side, the defenses have. One half of the hammer, done. Cowboys tone, Diggs still not here. Tone time pull for you time love you tone sitting in his seat today is nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler D. Butt your man who is obviously a phenomenal

defender in the NFL should we be impressed by those two defenses last night or what was your takeaway from the game combination of bad offense definitely some good defense though sweat made some plays Hunter made some plays. Jalen Johnson. I think he let a lot of people know kind of who he is.

Obviously, he had some contract disputes. Pick six through the hands. Had a pick. Dropped a pick six. Back-to-back weeks now, he's dropped a couple pick six. I think Troy spoke on it. Yep. But caught a nasty pick in cover two as well.

You know, good defenses, but, I mean, just atrocious offenses. Couldn't convert when you needed to. And then Minnesota cutting DJ Moore loose for that dig route two-minute. Can't have dagger concept two-minute. One of the most common routes in the NFL. Big letdown there for the go-ahead field goal. Tough to watch, dude. Very.

Tough to watch. So tough. I try my best. I really do. What I've learned through these primetime games that have not done well this year at all, and by well, I mean no real explosion, no real, like, that's good football. There's no, like, it seems like there's not a lot of electrifying moments in these primetime games this year as opposed to years past.

But we're getting into football that matters. We've got to remember, we've got the Eagles and Niners on Sunday. We've got big-time matchups coming. We've got the Cowboys playing on Thursday night. They're going to go. The Cowboys are going to do stuff. Seattle's looking to bounce back after what happened with San Francisco on Thanksgiving. But these primetime games, one half of the hammer,

done. Cowboys, Bubba Gumpino is back here. Gumpy, what are the stats on the primetime games to the under, pal? I know Monday night's 13-1. I'm just trying to find the other stat that's on me, brother. I believe it's 29-9 primetime unders. Okay. So it's been tough to stay awake through these things. Yeah.

I'm going to be honest. It has been tough. And watching them back in the morning, you just think to yourself, like, alright, I'm happy I kind of, you know, I didn't fight it. Yeah. But this is going to be an issue for the NFL at some point. It's going to be an issue with the NFL. I know NFL is king. NFL will always be king. But if you look at what happens with college football, and I'm not saying that college football and the NFL at some point. It's going to be an issue at the NFL. I know NFL is king. NFL will always be king. But if you look at what happens with college football, and I'm not saying that

college football and the NFL are competing. Football is football. We all are in the same boat. But it's like football can be great. Football can be exhilarating. And we almost have to get reminded of that during this long-ass season from college football more so than the NFL right now. They've got to figure it out, Ty. They've got to figure this out. And that's

the problem I have is it's like the illusion that we have to – because it's like, hey, the games are close. And just because a game's close doesn't mean it's a good game. Like, what, Sunday night, Chargers and Ravens? Like, that was a dreadful, boring game. But, you know, with two minutes left, it's like, oh, okay, we still don't know who's going to potentially win this one. Last night, 3-3 in the first half.

Like, people have their fun. They say whatever they want about Iowa, and it's true. know who's going to potentially win this one. Last night, 3-3 in the first half. People have their fun. They say whatever they want about Iowa, and it's true. But when you have a rooting interest in the team, that's one thing. You stomach that. You put up with it. When it's just two teams and it's like Monday night football used to mean something. This is the game of the week.

Everyone's watching this. It doesn't matter who's playing. You expect that to be a good game. 3-3 at halftime, it's like you know, I mean, yeah, like Connor said, you stay up and you watch it because we don't have that many more opportunities to watch these, but the entire time, it's like, oh boy, you know, is guys' grocery

games on right now? I'd almost rather watch that than this. CM Punk was back on Monday Night Raw. Hard not to pop over there a little bit. Exactly, and it shouldn't be like that. But it is real, though, that it's not easy to project 18 weeks, 17 games worth of great games in primetime. You have no idea who's going to get hurt, who's not going to get hurt, what teams just aren't going to show up,

what teams are going to go that we couldn't have expected. So it's not easy. But this is back-to-back seasons now where it feels like we've got caught into a little bit of a train where it's like bummer, bummer, bummer, bummer, bummer, bummer, for primetime games. And we hope it'll turn around, but who cares? Teams that are winning don't care what it looks like. All they care about

is they still have an opportunity to win a Super Bowl, and the teams that are losing, they don't care what it looks like. They just know that they suck. So we've got to continue to roll on. Speaking of two good teams playing each other, and what a gift the football gods are giving us. I mean, this is a gift. We have the NFC Championship rematch coming up.

Let's go. And this NFC Championship rematch between the Niners and the Eagles. Niners on the road in Philadelphia, favored by three right now on ESPN Bet in Philly. They've lost three games this year. Philly's only lost one. Philly's at home. Philly's a tough place to play. Why are Philly the underdogs at home?

Now, we all understand that the Eagles have done great things as being the underdogs. They wear their dog masks. They won a Super Bowl. We are the hungry dogs run faster. That's like kind of their entire M.O. Nick Sirianni has built his team on being dogs. So this is a good thing to kind of feed into their narrative. They're not the hungry ones in this game, I don't think.

This San Francisco 49ers team, after they lost the NFC Championship last year to the Philadelphia Eagles, and if you do recall what happened in that game, first series, Brock Purdy's going to throw. Redick, I believe, boom, needs Tommy John, can't throw a football. Brutal. They put the backup in, Johnson, he gets, can't throw a football. Concussion.

Christian McCaffrey was playing quarterback for some reason, he can't throw a football. Concussion. Christian McCaffrey was playing quarterback. For some reason, he can't throw a football forward. Yeah. Fred Warner, the series after Brock Purdy ends up having to get Tommy John surgery for his elbow injury. He dislocates his shoulder. His arm just, boom, completely out of there. He gets taken off the field, comes back in, obviously, because somehow the shoulder, whenever it's dislocated, he just pulls it and it just bounces right back in and nothing happens.

That's right. I don't fully understand that at all, but shout out to the body being able to handle that. Bosa got a guy's cleat to his shin in the first quarter, so he couldn't be as explosive as he is. It was just one thing after another. Murphy's Law times 10.

And anytime you got a chance to chat with any of the Niners players after that game, and you bring that game up, they would get visibly upset about it. Yeah, shoot. Not happy about it. They were the hottest team in the NFL going in Philadelphia. Oh, yeah. If you remember at the beginning of the season,

not great last year. Then they drop in this little Mr. Irrelevant and quarterback named Brock Purdy, and boom, everything takes off. Their offense is humming. The defense is feeding off of the offense. The special teams is crushing it. And they were a team that nobody wanted to see.

And then in that first quarter, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, the whole team just gets knocked down. And after the game, they were saying a lot of stuff. Oh, yeah. Debo Samuel actually said Bradbury's trash. Yeah. He's garbage. He did? This guy sucks. We didn't have a guy who could throw a ball, you know? Did you see that? We had somebody... We didn't

have a human that could throw a football. If they could, I'd be wide open. Debo Samuel was asked about what he said after the NFC Championship about Bradbury as a whole. Here was his response. I heard you termed James Bradbury trash. After the NFL game last year, do you regret that?

I don't regret nothing I said. Okay, you stand by it. Laughing. I don't regret nothing I said. You stand by it? Yeah. Let's get the hell out of here. This is a game that has been circled by the Niners to get back after what took place in the NFC Championship. And to be completely transparent, I feel like they're playing the football that they were playing going in to that Philadelphia Eagles game. So unless the football gods decide to quarter to three them again, shout out to Unk for bringing a new thing into my life.

Sweet. Check out the clock, by the way, quarter to three. bringing a new thing into my life. Sweet. Check out the clock, by the way, quarter to three. So unless the football gods do that to the Niners, it makes sense to me why they are favored, especially with how both teams look.

D-Butt, as a man who obviously loves great football, great D, both these teams are that. Both offenses have the ability to go. I love Philadelphia Eagles, but right now it feels like that Niners team is much hotter and they have three extra days rest because they play on Thanksgiving as opposed to Sunday in an overtime game. Yeah, Niners are definitely rolling, clicking on all cylinders. We know that the three-game stretch they had where they dropped it,

Trent Williams is out since he's been back. Debo's been back. Been clicking on all cylinders offensively and defensively. You know, Chase Young gets to that defense. They had, what, 15 sacks in the last three weeks. Obviously not all him, but him being a part of that front obviously changes things. They are missing Hufanga, big injury going into this game especially.

And then on the Eagles side, missing Lane Johnson. Maybe. Possibly. Possibly Fletcher Cox as well. Both of them have growing injuries, so those are two big injuries in the trenches. But, I mean, Philly, you know, every week, every week, it don't look pretty. People count them out. Obviously 49ers, it's a much prettier brand of ball right now,

offensively, the run game, the pass game, defensively still getting it done. This should be one that comes down to the last drive, but I understand why Sanford is favoring this one. I love the Philadelphia Eagles. I appreciate their mindset. We love Sirianni more than anybody. I actually get killed for loving Sirianni.

I didn't even know that was a take that could potentially get you killed on the internet. People do not like Coach Sirianni. I love the band. I enjoy the way he operates, and he wins. That's literally all they do, is win, and I did see that outside the lines interview that Jalen Hurts did with Little White. Jeremy Shapp.

There it is. Jeremy Shapp, where he said, how many games have you lost? Four or something like that. You know, it's not going to be like that in the NFL. And Jalen, who we see him every single day act like is, we'll see, is what he said to that. That's literally, he's like 30-something and four in the NFL. That is literally what he has done since going over there. So we have nothing but respect for the Philadelphia Eagles.

But we're getting an NFC. This is the two that are going at it. So it's going to be, here's Hassan Reddick chit-chatting about what happened in the NFC Championship game and the mindset that the Eagles have for the San Francisco 49ers coming back to town. I know you're just not done playing, but, you know, they did a lot of talking in the offseason about what happened

in the NFC Championship game last year. How much of that has stayed in the back of your mind ahead of next week? You know, as this season's been going on, not much. Talk is cheap. You know, they get to come back in the link. It was a lot of boo-hoos last year, a lot of crying, a lot of what if, a lot of this, a lot of that.

They get a chance to come back in here, line that up, and prove it again. I love that. That is, like, such the mindset that I would assume Sirianni is happy to hear that his guys have. He has the right people in that locker room. Hasan Reddick is a problem. He is an absolute problem. Has been, will be for the foreseeable future. But what he said in there was like, we haven't thought about it much.

I think that the Niners have actually thought about this. I think they've actually, like Ohio State, Michigan, this thing. Because even at WrestleMania, I saw George Kittle and his family. They were not over. No. They were not over what happened in Philadelphia. That one hurt their soul, it feels like. But you've got to love to hear what you hear from Hassan Reddick there.

Yeah, I love it. I feel like this is probably the best thing for the NFL right now. Two teams with both have young quarterbacks. Both have very good offensive lines. Both have very good defensive lines. This could turn into the best rivalry in the NFL over these next 5-10 years. I know that the Niners are hungry dogs.

I need to know what Sirianni's going to be saying about them being underdogs at home. Because you know he's going to use that somehow in a team meeting or even just while they're out there on the field in practice. Someone screws up. Maybe that's why we're underdogs at home. I think that's going to be

must-listen content. What's the team meeting sound like on this particular Tuesday, you think, over there in Philadelphia? You guys are getting three points at home, Coach. Yeah, I mean, none of us give a shit about that. We don't give a rat's ass about a point. You know, you need one more point than the other team last I checked. That's how you win

football games. But Asan was right, you know, a lot of boo-hoos coming from San Francisco. A lot of pouting, a lot of whining. Okay, it's football. Guys get hurt. That's part of it. You think we were all healthy in that NFC Championship game? No, we weren't.

Jalen was dealing with a bunch of stuff, growing, all that kind of stuff. He's not bitching and complaining. He's not pouting. He just goes out there and plays football because we're dogs, and that's what dogs do. Okay? They bite. They don't bark.

A lot of barking comes from San Francisco. We'll see. I might set the tone myself. I might go out there midfield, warm up. I might smack Kyle Shanahan in the mouth. Oh yeah? Just out of nowhere, unprompted. And say, hey, welcome to the link, pal. Okay? Here's my say, bitch.

It's 60 minutes. You almost broke your stomach. Almost. Philadelphia is a real home field advantage, too. Oh, yeah. That's an actual home field advantage in the NFL. Players trying to fight fans last week. Actually. Actually getting to the point where in the weather,

I mean, it is an actual home field advantage. So them being dogs at home at 10-1, I'm excited to hear what this man thinks about it. Joining us now is a podcast host, a live show host, an author, a TED talker Not a gombler But a man who will give you who you should gomble on Friend of the program, ladies and gentlemen Former general manager in the NFL

A man who's got Super Bowl rings And consultant degrees Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi Hello guys, how we doing guys? How's everything, huh? We good? Good Thanksgiving, we're all ready to go Hey, Lombo, life is good How was Thanksgiving over there? How's everything, huh? We good? Hey. Good Thanksgiving. We're all ready to go. Hey, Lombo, life is good. How was Thanksgiving over there? A lot of Italians. What'd you guys eat? Life is good, you know. It was, you know, I got kids in Las Vegas, so we had to split up.

I was on my own, but I survived. You know, it was good. A lot of football, digest a lot of football, saw the Hail Mary play. And I immediately thought of, I went to my telephone, Pat, I got to confess, I know probably Chuck's not in the building today, but as soon as Boyle threw the pass and it didn't reach the goal line, I looked at my phone. And because I was expecting a call from Al Davis. I know he's not with us any longer, but I was still expecting the call. And here's what he would have said to me, Pat.

He would have said, let me ask you a question. Did we practice that play with Tim Boyle? And my answer would have been, Mr. Davis, no, we didn't practice that play with Tim Boyle. Did the head coach know he couldn't reach the end zone? And I would have said, no, Mr. Davis, he probably didn't know that. Okay, and then there would have been 85 F words, and he'd hung up the phone. I like that we've become like a super impersonation show. We had Sirianni there.

We just had Al Davis from heaven. How about it? Have to have a phone in heaven, obviously, to call Al. I appreciate that. Yeah, there's some ineptitude happening around the place, but I would assume Bob Sala said, it's the NFLfl he's got to be able to throw his ball 55 yards right got to be able to do that he was not obviously holland takes it back for a play that will be reminiscent of this particular season for the new york jets as a whole now let's talk about

the jets obviously because we're here aaron rogers joining us in about 39 minutes or so he's planning on coming back obviously that's been a plan all along. If they're still in it, that's a huge piece of it. Who knows? They got to stick with the whole crew, though, right? Because they didn't get a chance to experience what they were hoping to experience this year. Like, you're sticking with Hackett. You're sticking with Sala. You're sticking with Joe. And this year is just a wash, pretty much. Is that how they're viewing it, you think, in New York? Well, I mean, I think the only one that can answer that is Woody, right?

I think, you know, Aaron's going to get paid regardless. And I think that he's got to make a decision that does he feel like this is going to be what we need to do? And can the team stay together? You know, I think one of the biggest things, I know everybody blames the Jets offense, but this Jet defense hasn't played the run as well as it needs to play to be able to stay in games. The Browns have been able to do that at a higher level than the Jets have done, even though the Browns haven't gotten great quarterback play when they've gone away from Watson and at times even when they have Watson. So I think that's a woody question.

For me, I think there's got to be some kind of institutional. If you're going to bring it back, you got to make sure you understand what you're doing because you're going to build the program for next year and then the year after. And you got to make sure that's on solid foundation. And I think Woody's the only one that can answer that question as it relates to going forward. Team building is going to be critical. I think that's the essence of it all is how are we going to make sure this team is built for Aaron and then make sure this team is built once Aaron's not here? So I would assume just my – I'm not Woody Johnson.

I am not a fan of Johnson & Johnson. No. Or Pfizer. Thank God. Or any – some people think that. Other people say thank God for those people. Sure. They're very loud, both sides.

Very loud. Oh, yeah. Very loud. Still. Always will be. Yeah. Always will be. Shout out to 2020 for doing that. Yeah. Shout out to 2020 for doing that.

Yeah. Shout out to 2020 for doing that. Honestly, that's not something I'm chatting about. But it feels like Aaron obviously went there because he wanted to be a Jet and everything like that. But Hackett, very familiar with the offense. So you would assume that Hackett is going to remain there. So if Hackett's going to remain there, the head coach can remain there. If the head coach is going to remain there, are you going to change the GM then?

Probably not. Hackett's going to remain there. The head coach can remain there. If the head coach is going to remain there, are you going to change the GM then? Probably not. So it just feels like the decision has already been made because they're just waiting for 08 to come back. And hopefully he's able to do that. Let's talk about other decisions that are being made around the NFL.

Schefter came on the show yesterday and he said he's projecting 7 to 10 head coaching vacancies this particular offseason. That's a third of the league if that's 10 people. And he said, I'm betting you over as well on that. Owners are firing coaches at a more rapid clip than they ever had in the past. I think it's because there's new money in the league. Obviously, David Tepper, we can talk about that. But also, there's a pressure to get better from your fans

at all times. And you can see it now. With social, everything's louder. 7-10 is a lot of spots that have to get filled. Is this abnormal for what the NFL always has been, Lambeau? Is this what the future looks like? And how did we get to this point, you think, Lambeau? Well, I mean, everybody has expectations, right? Everybody thinks that they're going to turn it around so quickly.

And the impatience is due to the fact that these owners in all the contracts, they have mitigation clauses in most of these coaches' deals. So even when they fire a coach, they're paying 40, 50 percent on a dollar because the coach is going to go out and get another job somewhere else. I mean, Matt Rule took the job at Nebraska. I'm not sure Tepper's even paying on that contract any longer. So you can get out of it. You know, Jimbo Fisher's the only one that has a contract that probably belongs in the

Hall of Fame. So, you know, I think that's one of the things to it. There's certainly an impatience. And I think part of the biggest issue is roster construction and roster management. When you trade for Devontae Adams to go with Carr and then you don't win, you basically have said, OK, we've raised the expectations for the fan base, and then we didn't deliver. And then once you don't deliver, you're in trouble.

You're in a lot of trouble, and I think that's what's happened. And my question is, who's going to replace these seven to ten coaches? I mean, Ben Johnson, they can't clone this guy and have five jobs. He can't fill all five jobs. I mean, where are all these coaches going to come from? And I think that's going to be the hardest thing. But more than anything, Pat, I think these owners have to declare who they want to be. Like, what do they want their franchise to be? What do they see the vision of their team? If you can learn anything from Philadelphia or when New England

was winning, the owners clearly identified San Francisco. This is who we are. This is how we want it built. You guys figure it out. Okay, you've talked about everybody being aligned and the ownership having a major role if they would like it, but it has to be a distinct kind of notion. Like, hey, this is what you do, this is what you do. So then there's expectations.

If you don't hold up your end of the bargain, you're going to be gone. It's almost like everybody's on the same page. Communication is great for business. The NFL is no different. And you obviously spent a lot of time in New England, and Bill Belichick and Kraft have been on the same page for a long time, obviously. Hey, Bill's going to do his thing. I'm going to do my thing.

Bill's going to win. I'm going to build up this entire place around it. We're going to have Patriot Place. We're going to have hotels. We're going to have a casino. This brand is going to be the biggest on earth. Bill Belichick's getting the power to kind of do whatever. You've been on the show a couple times this season,

and you have a very close relationship with the place. So I think any time you say something, like it's obviously going to rain a little bit heavier. But you've been on the record saying, like, yeah, Bill's going to continue to coach no matter what happens. You saying that makes me believe that you think there is a chance he moves on from New England. Do you still feel that way with how bad they've looked and how bad they've gotten?

Do you think he moves on? And how do you think Kraft delivers that news? And what do you think is next for Bill? Well, I think it probably would have to come down to give Bill a bill. Where do you see this team going? And how are you going to fix it? He deserves to answer that question, right? And based on the

answers that he gives to Mr. Kraft, I think Kraft has to then make a decision. Or has Kraft lost trust in him to build that? I think that's the thing that you have to do. Look, a lot of these teams, we see it with the Houston Texans. You know, we always tend to think teams are worse than they really are because the quarterback play is so bad. Houston was a disaster. How are they going to win any games? They finally get a quarterback, they do it. I think you're a quicker turnaround when you do get a quarterback and you can coach the quarterback correctly, kind of like what they're doing in Houston. So I think, look, Belichick is still coaching. I think he wants to coach. You can see the vibrancy in it. The team obviously isn't playing well. As Dietrich Weiss

said, they've got a good team. They have a bad record. They haven't been able to make plays. They've held two teams to 10 points in the last two weeks and couldn't win a game. I think that's cut a record. So I think he's going to want to keep doing it, and there's too many jobs. Let me ask you this, Pat. If you called Andy Reid up on the phone and said, Andy, who would be the last coach you want to have at Los Angeles Chargers coaching Justin Herbert? Who do you think he would say? Bill Belichick. That's right. I played you there. I didn't know if that was the right answer. I know the internet thinks he's a disaster and he can only win because of Brady. But I would say within the league, that is the

sentiment. So if Mr. Kraft feels like that they need to have a divorce, that's fine. I'm sure that that's happened. It's part of life. Things change. However, that's not going to change him being a really good coach and going somewhere else and proving that he could still coach. So if you ask any of these other teams in the league, who are they least likely to compete against?

Ask the coaches. I think you'll get your answer. Everybody looks at it like, who's the popular choice you know who don't you want is the real answer yeah well i think there's a lot of people figuring that out after they hire who they hire is who they don't want to hire david tepper's rolling through coaches i mean he's just yeah how do you how do you kind of put the slow down on that and who's going to want that job who would who's the person that would want that Carolina Panthers job? Because obviously Frank Reich, we were confused by the hire whenever it took place.

But, like, he didn't look like he enjoyed himself at all. There was a pro day video where he was recording C.J. Stroud. And I think there was a little bit of a grin or a smile on his face at that time. But other than that, that was a little bit of a grin or smile on his face at that time but other than that that was a miserable time period in him with him in Carolina and we just showed the graphic like Tepper will fire people who wants that job and why do you think Frank Reich was ever hired down there I can't I don't get the Frank Wright hire I think Tepper probably felt like he could hire it he was a really good offensive coach I think Frank had post-traumatic syndrome after the Carson Wentz.

I think Wentz sent him over the edge. I think he went to bat for Wentz in that organization. I think he went to the mattresses, you know, to use a mafia term. He went all in, right? And as soon as he did that, Wentz couldn't connect to his teammates. I mean, we don't talk enough about this, Pat, about the connectivity between the quarterback and the team. Do they like the quarterback?

I mean, look, Tommy DeVito is not the best player in the NFL, but the players like him. Kenny Pickett, he's not the most talented quarterback in the NFL, but, boy, the Steeler players really like him. They appreciate him. That goes a long way. And I think the connectivity between the team is important. And Wentz didn't have that. And when you see that Jim Irsay comes out and basically no hole, hole bared, I mean,

he just went right after Wentz and said, we're getting him out of here. I think that destroyed Wright's confidence. And he never was the same guy after that. He really wasn't. And I think that that was the strangest hire because I thought he lost his fastball. And I said it this summer on my podcast. It just never looked good in Carolina. Now, reverse it. If you're looking for a job, Carolina might be the best place to go because you think Tepper's going to fire another coach after a year? It's like D'Amico Ryans, right? He walked into the most perfect job of all. He's the third coach in a row after two would get fired after one year. He got a six-year deal. He's not getting fired. He has stability. I think

the next guy that goes into Carolina will have way more stability, assuming that Tepper knows what he's doing when he picks the coach. Which we have not seen. Nope. Right? We have not been able to. He's not good at picking soccer coaches, and he's not good at picking football coaches. Thus far. Now now is that just because the people around him the people giving him

information aren't the right people is because he maybe got a misread who knows but that job down there is certainly a fascinating one because what are you going to do what are you what are you going to you're keeping he needs to throw away his telephone he listens to way too many people he's got rabbit ears he listens to way too many people. He's got rabbit ears. He listens to way too many people. This is what happens to new owners. They listen to too many people. They talk to the league office.

And what Al Davis taught me a long time ago, everybody who calls you on this, they have an agenda. They have an agenda. What's their agenda? Like, why are they promoting this? What are they trying to do? Tepper should throw away his telephone. He should get rid of his phone and say, all right, I'm going to build this the way I'm going to bring somebody in that I can work with one-on-one and help me build this team for 40 years, what he just said today at his press conference. But he's trying to hire a play caller.

What teams need today is a roster builder, a team manager, somebody that can run the team. I think we see that Philadelphia, that's what they've done with their organization, with Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman. They built a team that can build a team. They've hired an inexperienced coach both times. They've helped develop the coach into a very good coach, and it's worked out. Yeah, Doug Peterson now having great success down in Jacksonville.

Whenever he left Philadelphia, we were all very confused. The guy has a statue outside. He's gone. Sirianni's come in, had that opening press conference. It wasn't great. We all all very confused. The guy has a statue outside. He's gone. Sirianni's come in, had that opening press conference that wasn't great. We all laughed at it. Now we're like, this guy's a ball coach. This guy's a good ball coach. This weekend's game, huge in the NFC. D-Bud has a question for you. Big game, Lambeau. It's post-Thanksgiving. I think a lot of teams are who they are at this point. NFC side, you've got San Fran and Philly

kind of separate themselves. AFC side, you got San Fran and Philly, I think, kind of separate themselves. AFC side, to me at least, Baltimore and Kansas City are probably those two teams. Outside of those four teams in each conference, who are your teams that you think can either be in that conversation or can make a run here late? Well, I think the run late really starts with how you practice going forward because you and I both know that practice is now walkthroughs. I mean, last week the Eagles played 92 plays defensively against Buffalo. How are they going to practice this week? And it's hard to stay good when you can't practice. And I think the teams that have experience of practicing

lightly but still maintaining their level of energy is important. So I definitely think that I think Detroit, if they can get the second, if they get their pass rush back and fix that offensive line, did not block well on Thanksgiving Day. They're still a good team. Jacksonville, to me, is still a good team. Lawrence has got to play better at home. He doesn't play as well on the road at home as he does at home. He hasn't been able to make the plays that I think he needs to make. Maybe with his knee being better, I thought he played much better against Houston than he did. But I think what you're looking at is a situation like Miami. Miami's got a really good defense. And if Miami can get their ground game going,

now throw away the jet game because that kind of was two touchdowns off pick six. They've only averaged 20.5 points a game in the last four games before that. and they've only averaged 84 yards. They got to get their ground game going. Everybody talks offensively, offensively about Miami, but it's their defense. And I think at the end of the day, defenses are going to make you advance into this playoff round. Pittsburgh's the same way. They win ugly. I mean, nobody loves to play an uglier game. What would happen if we have Denver and Miami in the first playoff game? How about that one? That would be awesome.

I mean, Pittsburgh. Wouldn't that be unbelievable? You talk about how ugly Pittsburgh plays, you just automatically think about the Iowa Hawkeyes. But then that makes me think about, I don't want to go out of the AFC, but let's do that. They say the Philadelphia Eagles win ugly, win ugly, win ugly. You know, they played on Sunday. You talk about 90-some snaps.

The Niners played on Thanksgiving. They played on Thursday. So they have three days ahead start already on rest and break and everything like that. They played on Sunday. You talk about 90-some snaps. The Niners played on Thanksgiving. They played on Thursday. So they have three days ahead start already on rest and break and everything like that. And they just slaughtered the Seahawks. They look like they're at their absolute best right now, where the Eagles, they win games. And I'm not saying it's a bad thing.

That's a trait that I wish every team had that I was a fan of. You just win it. Going into this one, how do you view it? How do you see it? Do you think about the NFC Championship game where the Niners afterwards were pissed about everything? Does that mean anything going into Philly this weekend? Do you think there's a little pent-up or built-up frustration after what happened to the Niners in the NFC Championship? Oh, I definitely think on the Niners end.

I think Philadelphia. Look, last year I was always saying Philly played a Gonzaga schedule because they did. They had an easy schedule, right? And they dominated people. And they scored 204 points in the second quarter. And they got ahead of everybody. This year, they've been very resilient. What I think they are is they have this, you know, after you win a Super Bowl,

there's always, after you lose a Super Bowl, there's that Super Bowl hangover. Well, the Eagles have had a little bit of that Super Bowl hangover for 50 minutes. And then the last 10 or 15 minutes of a game, they become a champion. You know, they're hard to beat. They're hard to beat. They can play right-handed or left-handed. They can run the ball. They can throw it. And they can do it when they have to do it. Plus, they have the Mariano Rivera in their bullpen. If it's third and one, they're going to get it. If it's third and goal at the one, they're going to score. So they're going to be hard to beat coming down the stretch this is not going to be pushover for the 49ers but the niners are going to have to raise their level too just like philly will

look i don't think there's an ugly win in the nfl you you played you know how hard it is to win last night you know i mean the fans we're not the judges of the olympics grade them on beauty contest here like a win's a win. Last night, though. That win the other day was impressive. Lombo, last night, though. 12-10. That was ugly.

Come on. That was ugly. That was ugly. You can say it. I mean, it was. But, you know, look. And you got two fourth quarter turnovers. But then they rallied and made the play. I'm sure Brian Flores didn't sleep last night because he probably would like to have that last call back when they ran the

in-cut with the clear route to DJ Moore to get him in the field goal range. I think he probably wants that call back. But, you know, they had a great opportunity. You know, he rushed three, kind of spied him and gave him plenty of time. Yeah, let's not talk about Bears and Vikings. Let's go back to the Philadelphia Eagles here. Let's go back to the

Philadelphia Eagles and the Niners. No offense to the NFC North's Vikings and Bears who are... I mean, let's not get into it. We will get into it because the Bears' future is certainly one that I can't wait to chat with you about

because you've been talking about this since the offseason. But final thing for me about the Niners and the Eagles. Trent Williams, Debo, healthy. I think they're a completely different team whenever that's the case. Brock Purdy playing.

Are we worried about Brock Purdy in Philadelphia with that weather and everything? No, not at all. No. I mean, I'd give him my MVP vote. I think Brock Purdy's really good. I think we've got to stop talking about like he's a seventh-round pick. Like at some point, you know, as Bill Walsh used to say all the time, we have to grade on how they play, not where they were drafted.

I mean, he throws interceptions everybody does i mean everybody's going to make some mistakes with the ball he did that game but then the throw he made that uh at the end of the game was incredible and they they know who he is team loves him the team loves him there's no question about that and so for me i think he's a really good player. I think he'll come back into Philly. It's supposed to be rainy. They might have some cold in the 40 degrees. I think he'll play really well. I would be shocked. Look, I think both these

teams, this will be like Rocky. There'll be another one. I hope so because the NFL needs it. They got a lot of Vikings-Bears games popping on TV. Now we get an opportunity to see the two of the best in the NFC battle it out at 425 on Sunday. I can't wait for it. Connor has a question for you, Lambeau.

Yeah, Lambeau, you threw out Broncos versus Dolphins in a playoff game, and I think a lot of people after that 70-point win from Miami kind of wrote the Broncos off, but here we are going into December, and they've won five straight games. They're 6-5. They look great. How the hell did that happen? off but here we are you know going into december and they've won five straight games or six and five they look great how the hell did that happen is is sean payton kind of that great of a coach and also just roster manager like you kind of mentioned that teams need and how come is is that is that the blueprint for a carolina they need to go get a guy that's going to be able to rally the entire building i think they do and they had a chance that's going to be able to rally the entire building?

I think they do. And they had a chance to get Sean. They didn't take him last year for some reason. Look, you know. They hired Frank over Sean Payton? I didn't know that. They interviewed Sean. They interviewed Sean.

They didn't, you know, I think they went the other direction. Maybe Sean wanted too much authority. You know, coaches want the ability to build their culture. It's not so much you're not power hungry, you're culture hungry. I think what Sean did is very Parcellian. You've got to remember, Sean Payton was a young coach at the New York Football Giants, the offense coordinator. Jim Fossil was the head coach.

And he got demoted as the play caller. And Parcells watched this from afar in New Jersey. And he was so impressed with how Peyton handled his demotion and behaved and worked that when he became the head coach of the Cowboys the next year, he called Peyton out of the blue and hired him. And that relationship goes on today. And that relationship is very reflective in this team. And I give all the credit to Sean, but you can see Parcells' influence in this team. Sean, after the game that he lost at home to the Jets, basically said, look, we're going to button this thing down. We were throwing the ball 31 times.

We're not doing that anymore. We're going to manage Russell. We're only going to throw at the average about 26 throws a game now. We're going to run the football. We're not turning this thing over. We're going to slow the game down. And, oh, by the way, we've averaged, you know, we're going to kick field goals. We're not going to go for it. We're going to take the points that come to us. Of the 110 points they've scored in this win streak,

48 have come from field goals. He don't pass down the points. He's going to take them. Now, I'm not suggesting that he's good. He's old school. And he's won games because of it. that he's old school, and he's won games because of it. And I think that's what he's done. I think every coach in the league has to see his team after four weeks, five weeks, and say, this is how we have to play to win. This is our only chance to play. If we play this way, we will win.

Tomlin does that. Peyton does that. I mean, Belichick's trying to do that. The problem is the quarterback keeps turning the ball over. Yep. And so you have to figure that out. That's the message. That's where when Aaron went out, I have a problem with the Jets because they didn't figure out how they have to play to win. Everybody says, well, nobody can run Aaron Rodgers' offense, only Aaron Rodgers. You know, it's like this week in Cincinnati.innati cincinnati goes and plays

pittsburgh and they run it 11 times i mean joe you can't ask you can't ask what was this that tony pike former cincinnati quarterback i think he said zach taylor is 428 and one without joe burrow's quarterback damn well you can't you can't throw it the the bangles are 30 or 31st in rushing attempts they're like like 7th and past. You can't put that game on Browning. He can't beat Joe Burrow. So what you have to do as a head coach, you've got to build your team so that if you lose a player, you can play right or left-handed.

They don't. They can't run the ball. I don't fault them for calling pass plays because they can't run block. So that's where I think Sean's gained such an advantage. It is. Whenever we all watch the Jets, we always wonder. Because if you look at Hackett's record,

you look at Hackett's record, you look at Zach Taylor's record, you look at Bill's record post-Tom Brady, you look at a lot of these things, and you alluded to it earlier, it's like, yeah, you can be a good coach if your quarterback is just abysmal. You got no shot. You got no shot. They need to try

Drew Plitt over there in Cincinnati. He can spin it. That kid out of Ball State could really spin that thing. One more thing with the Broncos, too. Obviously, everybody remembers the 70-point embarrassing moment with the Dolphins, but last five games, 16 turnovers on defense. Wow, they're back!

Plus 13 in turnover margin in the league, so that obviously helps when it comes to winning games and they yeah they've only turned it over db and and and that's part of coaching right and he's not passing up the points right he's not sitting there listen oh i'm gonna go for it what's the number say on the tv you know what what should i do no kick it kick it hey when he kicks it you know what happens when he kicks kicks it? How many boos did you hear when he kicked it against Minnesota early in the game? Everybody booed. Everybody said, oh, that's a stupid decision.

Go for it. How many points did he win by? One. Hey, ESPN Analytics. It always comes back. Hey, you were so pumped about it. You put a tweet out. Does ESPN Analytics ever say not to go for it?

They never say not go for it. I mean, you know, I mean, I'm sure they probably would. You know, I mean, in anything, go for it. Why mean, I'm sure they probably would. I mean, in anything, go for it. Why not? I love it. It's Madden. Everybody's playing Madden. You have to watch the game to apply the analytics.

You've got to watch the game. It's the game. It isn't just the numbers. What if ESPN Analytics is actually some dude or lady who's like, she is taking in the feel. Yeah, go for it. Got to go for it. And they put it right up on the screen.

They put it right up on the screen. Oh, yeah. Like, this coach is soft. He's putting the ball right now. What a loser. They were on their own 20. I think it was fourth and one. They were up 10 zip.

The other team had not done anything. They were on their own 20 or something like that. And it said, go. And it was like, what? Their offense has done nothing. You're putting them literally in field goal range here if you give them the ball and the off happened last night kevin o'connell went for it on fourth down he put him in field goal range he put him in field

goal range and now what did he lose by he lost by three points yeah i mean you know he went for it on fourth down with joshua dobbs like you're playing justin fields play field position punk the ball let's talk about it yes more of. Let's talk about a – yes, more of that. Let's talk about a team that has been experts in going for it, and that's in sunny Los Angeles, California. Yeah, Lambeau, just curious, when do you think the Chargers are going to go ahead and just blow this whole thing up?

I mean, we've literally been saying this for, I don't know, maybe like six weeks now where it's like, hey, how did they do this again? They lost another three-point game. They keep going for it on fourth down. Justin Herbert, I mean, I don't want to say he's regressed, but he just doesn't really look like the same guy. They can't protect him. Yeah, no pizzazz.

He just looks beaten up and tired. And you mentioned it. Bill potentially is out there. What do the Chargers need to do to kind of turn this thing around and not just be looking in 10 years and be like, oh, wow, we just did the exact same thing with Herbert that we did with Phillip Rivers. We had one of the most talented guys in the league,

and we have nothing to show for it. Is it a complete blow-up rebuild? Obviously, Staley's out of there, but will they get rid of Kellen Moore? Like, is Telesco gone? What do they need to do to fix everything in Los Angeles? I think that's the fundamental question. Like, why are we not winning? I mean, Anthony Lim was 33-31 as a head coach.

Staley's 23-22. They haven't gotten better by the hire. So what have we done wrong? I think they lack toughness as an overall team. There's not enough physicality to their team and everything falls on Herbert's shoulders. And he's talented enough to do everything you need him to do. He's talented to win in the fourth quarter, but the team around them isn't talented enough. The roster management isn't talented enough. And we think they're like overly talented yet. they're not.

I think they need a supreme commander to come in there. I think they need somebody to come in and run their team that can manage the quarterback, that can build an offense around the quarterback, not run plays, not just build an offense and a team around his skill set. That's what wins championships. Look, Warren Moon threw for 28 miles of yards. He went to one conference championship game in his career. Dan Marino went to one Super Bowl. When do we figure out it's just not about having a great player, it's having the right team around that great player. I mean, there's no one better than Peyton Manning. He won two Super Bowls, one at the end of his career. You know, he's seven and ten in playoff games on the road. I mean, lost nine of those 10 games on the road. Why? The team around him has to be built correctly for what you do. I think that's so

important, and I think that's the problem with the Chargers. You just don't roll the ball out and say, hey, Justin, win the game for us. Well, let's talk about another Justin that might just have to win some games for himself uh in chicago we talked about it whenever they brought in sweat off of waivers and then they signed him to a hundred million dollar deal yeah you said dumbest decision of all time by ryan pulse yep you said that obviously chicago bears fans have heard you talk about that yeah for the last like year or so so they're going to be heightened with everything you say about their team feels like you're probably feeling pretty good about everything that you have said in the past about this particular Bears team.

If they're staring down a rebuild, and I think Kevin Warren, former Big Ten commissioner, now president of the Chicago Bears, and he left the Big Ten with quite a nice situation to deal with with Peacock and NBC and everywhere else before he goes to take over the Chicago Bears he alluded to something about getting his own guys in there in an interview or an article or something like that so would that mean GM and head coach and then if that's the case why do you give a hundred million dollars to a guy you just know that you're going to need that particular player on your team what do you think the future looks like of Chicago do you think Ibraflus is back do you think Poles is back do you Sweat? That's why they're doing it. He's obviously played phenomenal for the Bearsons going over there. Why do you think they've done the moves they've done, and what do you think it

looks like for them going forward? Well, I think they've given them the rope to see if they can save their jobs. I think that's what they did, and I don't think the Bears are a family-run organization that really don't want to step on anybody's toes, so they let them do that. And we'll see if it works out. Does it translate into wins? You know, last night it did. Look, I give Avery Flus a lot of credit. There's been a lot of crap that's going on in that building, from Allen Williams to the running back. I mean, there's been a lot of stuff that's happened there, and he's been able to keep the ship upright. And they played hard. I mean, they played hard against Detroit, had a chance to win it. They turned it over in the fourth quarter. They had a chance to win last night and they did win, even though they turned it over twice in the fourth quarter. So look,

they're hanging in there. They're just, to me, the hardest question they have to ask themselves is when they have this first pick in the draft is, are we going to stay with the quarterback we have? Are we going to get somebody else in here? That's the question that has to get answered at the most highest level of the organization because that starts everything from that point on. And do you want to start with all these people that do that? You want to trust them with that decision or do you want to start new? I think that's where Kevin must decide. And only he can know based on what's going on in that building. They played Minnesota really well in both games. They had them beat, chicago fields got hurt they had to put badgett in the game but defensively they played them very good do you remember that badgett run i completely forgot

about yeah just because since justin fields has come back you've seen him run a little bit more and then obviously they scored four field goals last night justin fields if they end up moving on from him because they're going to have the number one overall pick with all signs with what's going on with the Carolina Panthers. What is his, like those quarterbacks, let's talk about them. Like Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, like this generation of quarterbacks where we're like, what happens with them? They just go to another place, end up being backup, kind of waiting for another spot. Is that the normal protocol here? They just go to another place, end up being backup, kind of waiting for another spot.

Is that the normal protocol here? I think they probably, I mean, some of them don't have much value because of the way they played. Fields, if he plays better down the stretch, will have some. You know, I think he'll have some. Come to Indy. I don't know if there's going to be a team that's going to say, look, he's going to be my starting quarterback. Because he's very hard to build an offense around. You could see it last night. It's hard, especially when you watch Brian Flores,

the way he rushed the quarterback last night. You know, when they kept him contained in the pocket and he couldn't move, those are the hard things for a quarterback that wants to run around and make loose plays does. And so they did a good job with that for the most part last night except for the last pass. Poyer called out the refs. How do we feel about the refs this year?

I think Houston Jacksonville fans said those fans, those refs were horrendous. I think people were mad about the Eagles not getting calls against them. I think there was a couple other games this weekend where people weren't necessarily thrilled about it. We saw some very dumb things happen, I think, last night and in these primetime games from the refs. How do you feel about the refs this season? Is it something we need to look at?

Oh, I mean, it's all the time time there's no consistency in what they do you don't you know look you just accept it and move on i'm a i'm a i'm a survivor of the tuck i mean you know look i we lost we all the reason we played in the snow is because of an umpire calling tripping on frank middleton that wasn't even a tripping and he still thinks it's a tripping today you know that cost a year of fordham for me so uh you know look it's just part of the deal you just accepted and move on you want to complain about it ain't going to get you anywhere they're just going to be as bad next year as they are this year the thing is they're not bad they're just not consistent no they're not consistent at all some of them are bad well I mean they're looking right out of play and they don't call it. You know?

And so that's what drives you crazy. And what drives me nuts is when a player gives himself up on a play and they call holding on it. Like the guy was giving him up. He didn't hold him. He didn't hold him. The guy was just giving himself up. But they just make some strange calls and you just got to move on.

You can't worry about it. It's going to happen. You go back a couple weeks. I think there should be a new thing instituted too like uh odell beckham jr was blocking for one of his uh teammates blocking yeah he's blocking okay he's all just checking he's they call it holding on it was a touchdown oh yeah on zay flowers it's like hey if odell beckham jr is blocking okay and he's trying to do a little little physical activity there with somebody. Like, let's not call it, okay?

It's Odell Beckham Jr. Like, let's go ahead. And it better be a full-on grope. Yeah, it's not holding. It's not holding. That's what I'm saying. There just needs to be a little bit more football feel out of these refs, I think. That's what they lack, Pat.

They lack football feel. I remember talking to him one time. I said, how do you call holding on wrong arm technique when the defensive player uses his outside arm to get the ball to bounce? And the official said to me, what's wrong arm technique? See, the problem is there's a disconnect to being what the coaches are teaching and what's being called. On wrong arm, when a defensive lineman or a linebacker spills the ball outside to the next gap, you're not holding him. He's giving himself up. You can't call holding on that.

Learn football, Stripes. Come on. Learn football. Be better for the whole game. Also, make them full-time officials so they're not doing substitute teaching at junior highs Monday through Wednesday as well. We appreciate you, Lambeau.

You're the best, pal. You're the best, guys. Thank you. Appreciate you. Good luck this week. Hey, you too. Let's win some bets, ladies and gentlemen. Michael and Borne. Yeah, Lambeau. You're the best, pal. You're the best, guys. Thank you. Appreciate you. Good luck this week. Hey, you too. Let's win some bets, ladies and gentlemen. Michael and Bor.

Yeah, Lambeau! Normally, we'd take picks from him, but it's way too early in the week. Too early, yeah. Tuesday. We'd put him in a bad spot. That's what he would say. Well, let's wait and see. Let's see what the lines do.

Let's see who's healthy, who's not healthy, what the weather's looking like. He's already looking ahead to Philadelphia. He said, I think there's going to be some rain. I don't know if that was him just projecting because it's November or December in Philadelphia or if it's just how it's going to be. It's like all those things matter. Brock Purdy and the Niners going back to Philly, I think, is a massive ordeal. Oh, yeah.

I really do. I love it. I love that that is a game this weekend that we get to watch. I love that the San Francisco 49ers had all season to be pissed off about what happened. And I like the fact that the Philadelphia Eagles, status quo, will come get some kibbles and bits. Exactly.

If that's what you want, then come and get it. It's a perfect setup here in Week 12. Yeah, Purdy especially, too. Up until that point, you said he was undefeated. He was just on this magical ride, and everyone was saying, all right, well, let's see when he turns into the pumpkin. Let's see when that other shoe drops. And he never really got the opportunity,

so kind of being able to go back there and maybe exercise a couple of those demons. Exercise demons! Exactly, because everyone else is talking about Debo and all these other guys talking. No one's really talking about Purdy, who's probably had a lot of time to circle this on his calendar, too, and be like, hey, this could be my coming-out party point, too. I said Week 12 a few times. We're already in Week 13. Yep.

We're on to Week 13. We're already in Week 13. What do you mean we're on to Week 13? Look at how jacked up this guy is. Let's stack another L for the New England Patriots. Let's get to Week 18 as fast as possible with as many L's in our record as we possibly can because the draft is right around the corner. Yeah, I can't wait for Staley

to screw that up for me somehow. I know we're all pumped about Eagles-Niners. Once again, how is this not a primetime game? I know it's at 425 and it's game of the week and that's great, but that means there's other games on. Why would this not be the perfect Monday night, perfect Sunday night?

What do you think? Sunday night's Packers-Chiefs. I think that would be a pretty good one. Sure. That's fine. But how is it not? It would have been okay at 425. It would have been okay at 425.

But I also don't hate these marquee games being the 425 game either. Especially as fathers of babies. Bingo. And things like that. Oh, great. I don't have to stay up until 1130 midnight? Sounds good. Perfect. But you're going to have to with the Packers-Chiefs. Yeah, absolutely. So kind Things like that. Oh, sure. You don't have to stay up until 1130 midnight. Sounds good. Perfect.

But you're going to have to with the Packers Chiefs. Yeah, absolutely. So kind of a double whammy. But like last week with Eagles-Bills being in that late window, that was a great game. Great. Sunday Night Football would have been a great game, too, if it was there. And last night, they could have flexed that game. Yep.

Could have. And they chose not to. Let's remember that. They could have had the Houston-Jacksonville game. Bingo. Yes. They could have flexed that game. Now, would have had the Houston-Jacksonville game. Bingo. Yes. They could have flexed that game. Now, would you have thought Houston-Jacksonville before the season started?

No. No. But two weeks ago. That's why flex happens, though. Could have had it. CJ and Trevor. Woo! Joining us now, live from Manatee, Ohio, I think,

is a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder think, is a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner, a man who's a father of 10, a COVID survivor, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk. Hey, Hawk. A.J., how we doing, pal? Doing great. Why don't you get some of those red lights that A.Q. does

and puts on his face every morning? Those are really bright. I'm going to be honest. Had a headache for six hours after trying that red light thing, but it does make you happy, allegedly. AQ's much happier now. Yeah, true. He says it's because he eats nothing, he works out all day,

he goes into billionaire's basements and gets his ass beat, and then he does that red light thing on his face. Not a bad gig. You're right. Maybe we should do that. Maybe we need to turn to other forms of vitamin D. Is that what we're looking for? Yeah.

Looking for that vitamin D. Exactly. Yeah, the good D. AJ, did you watch that game last night? Nice NFC North matchup. Two teams you know very well. What a battle. What an old-school football game.

Four field goals gets the win for the Chicago Bears over the Minnesota Vikings. How enjoying was that game for you last night? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I heard D-Butt earlier. I mean, I think it was a little bit of a combination of both. Was it great defense and bad offense? Was it decent offense and decent? I don't, you know what, I always want to give the defense credit.

Defense, it's tough to get stops. It's tough to get turnovers. You turn a guy over four times through the air, you're doing something, right? So credit to Chicago's D and Minnesota's defense, actually. Tough game to watch. Not easy to watch. Yeah, tough to watch. Obviously, that's been kind of football with the NFL over the last few weeks.

Big ones this weekend, though. We got Niners-Eagles, obviously, a rematch. Cowboys-Seahawks on Thursday should be electrifying. And there was a team that played in the first ever Black Friday game. And their quarterback was not able to play because he tore his Achilles on the fourth offensive play of the season. He's been rehabbing it at a rate that

the world has not seen before. Four-time NFL MVP, Super Bowl champion, Ayahuasca user, ladies and gentlemen, the 39-year-old Aaron Rodgers. Aaron!

What's up, dude? Hey, guys. Can you see me? Yeah, you look great. Where are you right now? You're not in that Achilles factory, it does not appear. No. No, shout out to all my friends and therapists out there at the Achilles factory, missing those people. But I'm actually here in Jersey at the facility.

Therapists out there at the Achilles factory missing those people. But I'm actually here in Jersey at the facility. I had some rehab this morning and went through some different modalities. But, yeah, I'm still at the facility. What type of East Coast modalities are you going through? Are you running? Are you taking five-step drops? Are these the modalities we're doing right now?

Are we doing a little bit of this, a little bit of maybe this one right here, this one here, this one here, this one here? What are the modalities we're stepping towards now that we're back on the East Coast about? It's a lot of the same modalities, actually. They have an R2G machine, so I was running on the R2G, and they have a lot of the same little gadgets and gizmos. So it's all strengthening, you know, calf strengthening, foot strengthening, you know, the jogging, the running, the walking, all that good stuff.

A little bit of stuff on the field, just trying out some different things just to see how my foot feels in different types of shoes. So it's good. Okay, so I don't want to ask you the same question I asked you last week because I felt like I disrespected you a little bit when I asked it. So I'm going to phrase it differently. If the Jets continue to play the way they're playing, okay, if they continue to play the way they're playing,

and this is a team that obviously you're on, you're very close with, you're in the building, you were there on Friday and everything like that, but there's a lot of people that are like a little bit concerned about you making a decision for your future health based on trying to get back as fast as possible this year you've always said if the Jets are still in it obviously the plan is for me to get back in there whenever you say the Jets are still in it is it like a percentage that they're still in it like they're still a line in a hope or is it thought that like if this team can still go win a Super Bowl in my eyes let's go

ahead and do it where are you when it comes to that and how focused on returning this season are you still at this exact moment after what we've seen maybe the last few weeks well I think it's it's always been uh first am I healthy and then uh are we? Are we in it? Are we playing good enough to make a run? Can I step in and protect myself and play at the level that I feel like I'm capable of playing? But the first part is the health. So can I protect myself? Can I move around the way I want to move around? So there's a natural progression here to the rehab, and that's going to involve actually getting back onto the field to start to do some things that are more football-related. We're not where I can make a decision on playing because health-wise I'm improving steadily, but I'm not in an ability to play at this point.

Got it. So we will revisit where everything is whenever you're healthy enough to get back on the field. Then it will be a full discussion and conversation about everything? Yeah, once I'm healthy, then that's where we're at. And are we alive? Are we in it? Can I help the team and not hurt the team by being back out there? Can I protect myself? Can I move around and do all the things I want to do? If the answer is yes, then we move in that direction.

If the answer is no, then I've got to listen to my body. Obviously, I'd still have to get cleared by everybody at that point, but it's health first, and then can I play? Are we alive? Got it.

Got it. Go ahead, AJ. We saw a video of you kind of bebopping your way into the stadium. You looked very good. You were holding a couple bags, I believe, wearing some sweet long trench coat type situation, some prayer beads, I believe, could have been part of the accessories. Look at this walk.

I mean, your shoes don't look too awful, and you don't seem like I don't know which Achilles you tore here. So how do you feel from last week when you were on the show to right now? Oh, geez, those soles are junk. Yeah, you look like Batman, too. You look like Batman. You look like a sweet, sweet look. Every week I'm doing better. And, you know, I think the ability to not travel to Buffalo probably helped me the most just because being able to get those 10 days straight of rehab

in without the travel and as much fun as it is to see the guys and support the guys, it also does set me back a little bit on rehab. So because I was going to come back here and try to exclusively be back here post-Thanksgiving, that gave me a really good jump to go from where I'm walking almost normal to not just walking normal, but now jogging and increasing speed and the body weight on that. So that's kind of natural progression. I'm feeling strong.

We're at 11 weeks tomorrow since surgery. You know, 11 weeks tomorrow since surgery. And, again, we said that 8 to 12 weeks is when a lot of the healing of the actual Achilles kind of finalizes. Obviously, I've been ahead for the most part with this rehab. So I'm excited about kind of what's next and how this thing keeps getting better. What's the Super G thing that you run on? That's the thing that you run in? And are you running in real life yet and are you wearing those those shoes way like you moving from those shoes to other shoes seems like that'll be a big part of this whole process as well yeah now we're on the beach that's uh that's frowned upon just because you can go kind

of past the 90 degrees at the beach the beach if your heel sinks in, and that's extra stretching of the Achilles we're trying not to do. These shoes have been fantastic to walk in, but at some point most doctors feel pretty comfortable at about 12 weeks getting your foot on the ground. Obviously, we've tried to speed that up a little bit, but still, we're just trying to be smart about this thing. But at some point, I'm going to have to transition out of these shoes.

I'm going to get to transition, honestly, out of these shoes where my Achilles and my foot and my calf are strong enough to kind of withstand my kind of leg and heel and Achilles being closer to a 90 degree angle. Got it. And we're running, you're running in the super G max thing. Yeah.

The super G max thing. Definitely, definitely running in that, you know, it's up in the body weight percentage all the time. And so what's that mean though? So when you're running in there, the super G thing,

the super cool G, what is it called again? I think it's called the alter G. the alter g the alter g because you're altering the g's like tom cruise yes when you're doing that whole thing i can bring up bring up a video of somebody running in the alter g zeta can we find a super g, please? Not talking through an entire thing. But that is, it basically is water or what? It's just taking away the amount of weight that you're putting down. So you can still do the motion without the full body.

Got it. Here it is. Okay. There we go. That's it. So do you, have you publicly said what percentage of weight you're running on? And are you hitting all the check marks of body weight running that you had hoped to be at thus far uh i don't know if i feel like i've been sure i've i've said what i've been at but i've been you know over 70 body weight and uh over uh eight miles an hour um

scooting just about every single time he's been on there and increasing increasing every time so that's kind of the starting point for it and then we kind of go up from there got it do you and then obviously your own body weight would be the next step of this entire thing and they'll ride the alter g all the way until then is that like we're going to be super cautious until we get to that or is there like a step that's going to be made that's pretty big in this whole thing at the end? Well, I think the step is just getting back onto the field and doing some more like real football things, being able to throw to my teammates and go through some individual part of practice. I think will be kind of the next step to see what my lateral movement is like.

some individual part of practice, I think will be kind of the next step to see what my lateral movement is like. And after going through some of these more football-related moves, how do I respond? How does my leg respond to that? How does my Achilles, my foot, my heel, my calf,

how does all that respond? Okay, we just Googled this Alter-G, by the way. Shout out to you. Did you create this Super Mater-G thing? It is. It's just Aaron on this track, I guess. Oh, really? Yeah, by the way. Shout out to you. Did you create this Super Modern G thing? It is. It's just Aaron on this track, I guess. Oh, really? Yeah, just the first 100 things is like Aaron Rodgers.

Look at this. Four-time MVP. 70% body weight. Eight miles an hour. Damn. Hey, everything you're doing for this Achilles, and I've told you this a couple times, if you end up back on the field this year,

it is going to be what every human in every sport forever is going to be attempting to accomplish. So no pressure, pal, but what you're doing is pretty sick. It's pretty sweet. Pretty sweet. Still got people saying, he didn't tear his Achilles. There's no way he tore his Achilles with what he's been doing.

It's like, I hope you're able to complete the story. I hope that the Jets are still in it whenever you get to that point because it'll be magical. We're lucky to follow along. Speaking of following along, Ty, I have a question for you. Yeah, Aaron, as we approach your birthday here, obviously you've said, you know, being away from the game, like this has been a very difficult year for you.

You've said that. Have you done, like, more reflecting this year as we get closer to milestone birthday too, obviously? Congratulations. Have you done more reflecting on your career or what you still want to accomplish this year, more so in years past or no? Yeah, well, Ty, I wish you'd done that question in Jay's voice just to see if he would respond to that. But I think every year, maybe this is my own personal, I guess, but I think we all get a little bit, making generalization, but we all get a little more reflective the older we get. Life seems to pass maybe just a tad bit quicker. And it's good to kind of stop and count your blessings around this time. That's why it's called Thanksgiving. It's a good time to reflect, especially with maybe the history of the holiday, to focus maybe more on gratitude and many blessings in your life. It's a good place to start.

and many blessings in your life is a good place to start. And then, obviously, with this birthday, moving to a new decade, a lot of reflecting back on my 30s and the fun I had and the relationships and friendships and ups and downs of life and career have definitely been on my mind. This has been a tough year, for sure, a really tough year. But I'm really thankful in a lot of ways for uh some of the reconnections that have happened and some of the beautiful moments in the midst of the you know frustration and sadness and disappointment of not being able to be out there on the field with my guys and be able to play for

the fans and there's a lot of excitement that we had, obviously, in the offseason and training camp and hard knocks and everything. You ran that flag out. Phenomenal. The movie. So, yeah, definitely a lot of sadness. But I think it's in those moments of sadness that we can reconnect to ourselves and find some moments of beauty and blessing in those. So I've been trying to focus on the positives. But, listen, it's not easy.

There's been some really tough days throughout this process, but a lot of amazing people have been reaching out and taking care of me and sending me encouraging messages throughout the journey. Really thankful for those people. And just thankful to have something to look forward

to every day, and that's the rehab and getting better and doing something special. And whether or not I come back this year, you know, it's been a lot of lessons and a lot of things I'm thankful for in the midst of some really frustrating and sad times at the same time. Happy birthday, Aaron. We're happy for you. Happy birthday, Aaron. Happy birthday, Aaron. Woo!

30s were a good run, weren't they? Oh, yeah. You learned of ayahuasca. You learned of darkness retreats. You learned of COVID. Beat that a couple times. COVID. You beat that. Won an MVP with COVID.

There's a lot of things that happened in the 30s we're going to talk about forever. I'm still COVID MVP. People forget. With COVID for a couple years, I won MVP both those years, so I feel pretty good. People forget. I was COVID for a couple of years. I won MVP both those years, so I feel pretty good. You know, pushed through COVID toe. Hey, can you clarify that?

For some reason, you've been very cagey about the whole toe situation. What happened there? You can clear it up. Yeah, what happened? Yeah, I'm not exactly sure. I wanted to talk more about rehabbing Achilles. No, you're making it weird. Yeah, you're telling them.

You're making it weird, a conspiracy situation. Yeah, something happened. Did you get your toe vaccinated? That's what the allergic reaction was. Listen, I gave insights. When you had your unfortunate sty that turned into something, whatever, it could have been a bedroom injury. And those are, you know, the bedroom injuries are the most mysterious. Oh, broke his toe in the sack.

Wow. Oh, my God. Geez. I think if you look at some of the history of the, you know, Amazon purchases from AJ over the years. There's a lot of, you know, those red balls with the, you know, straps. Ball gag, yeah. Real interesting stuff that goes on there. Old fiction.

I'm not saying that was associated with my COVID toe injury, but I'm real thankful that the world, you know, got to learn about that affliction that was really running rampant during the COVID years. Yeah, but wait a second. You weren't allowed to have sex. You weren't vaccinated. That's right. There's no way.

You know what I mean? Yeah. So that would have had to have been all by yourself at that particular time. At AIDS. You're just not married. You know what I mean? Right. Nope.

It's a castaway. This guy broke his toe bopping. That was quite the day. That was quite the day there. Quite the day? In two years? What about the night? There was two years worth of quite the days.

I mean, there was a lot of that in there. It was an honor to ride alongside some of your 30s with you, though. I want to let you know that. My mentions became your mentions for a while, and I got to live as Aaron Rodgers for a bit. It was wild. Connor has a question for you, Aaron. Yeah, Aaron, unfortunate situation on that Black Friday game

with Jalen Phillips tearing his Achilles, obviously, during the game. Mike McDaniel after said that you guys, you figured out a way to reach out to him, talk to him. How did that go? How is he doing? And also, are you going to send him to the Achilles factory or is it too late in the season where he can just do the regular Kirk Cousins Achilles treatment? Yeah, when I saw the injury on the field, I was pretty confident it was Achilles. So I actually walked out on the field, I was pretty confident it was Achilles. So I actually walked out on the

field and based on, you know, his emotion, he knew it. And I was actually, we would have like a cool moment where just made eye contact. And I just, I think I said something like, yeah, I know what you're going through right now, and it's going to be okay. And also said, I'm going to get in touch with you. And so I have a couple friends on the coaching staff. So I was able to get his information after the game and reach out and send him a message. And, you know, I'm obviously not an expert when it comes to Achilles, but I have done a lot of research. I've talked to a lot of great people, both, you know, doctors and patients who've gone through the surgery and rehab.

And so I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of a lot of the process. And so, you know, to be able to be a resource for him is great. Would love to get him out to the West Coast. I don't know exactly what he's going to do, but we've sent some messages back and forth just trying to encourage him because I know how difficult it is, especially the first few days, as it's just the enormity of the injury and what the rehab is going to entail kind of sets in. Honestly, that's kind of what I've been hoping with my rehab

is to inspire people to not look at this as kind of a death sentence. When I talked to Dan Marino, who i've known for a long time on the on the field before the game he said you know basically like what the hell are you doing your rehab it was 11 months for me and i said well dan you know the things have gotten a little bit better the way we do surgery is a little bit better and um you know just the ability to to speed up rehab rehab based on other people's experiences obviously sets, you know, some sort of, you know, process that we can follow. And then also obviously we push that. But hopefully I can inspire people to, you know, push this under the framework

of it actually not being as risky or dangerous as maybe once thought where you really had to, you know, wait. And it was six months and i'm really going to be nine to twelve months you know i think i've can makers proved it i'm going to prove it jk dobbins is going to prove it a lot of you know guys i just saw evt today uh our you know guard who had uh had surgery out there he's looking really really good at a few months out. It's not a death sentence anymore for a career. I feel like what I've done and how I've come back and the protocol I've done, I'd love to share that with anybody who's interested. Megan Rapinoe.

Jalen's been great. I'm not sure what he's going to do but I'm definitely keeping in touch with him and keeping in touch with Kirk and obviously everybody back at the Achilles factory I just texted with JK this morning I miss him, miss being around him but it's good to be out here with the guys too Arnold Schwarzenegger, his lady works at the Achilles factory

is everybody calling that place the Achilles factory by the way? that place the Achilles factory, by the way? That's a smart branding if that's the case. Yeah, I mean, I think you have and obviously I have. But Heather, yeah, Heather's amazing. And Double A is also another Aaron out there. They've been kind of my main two therapists at the Achilles factory. And obviously AAA has been great as well at the house.

AAA still doing it? AAA still? Is he over in Jersey? Has AAA made the trip to the East Coast or what? Not yet. No, he's not yet, but he's still jocked. Yeah. I've seen him on the internet.

Yeah, I've seen him. He was strapped up to all these rubber bands and everything. He looked like he was about to wrestle somebody. I'm like, somebody's about to get it. Do you have his clothes on? Somebody's about to. No. Of course not.

Nice. Triple A does not have clothes on. That makes more sense. His body guru is the most jocked guy. For everybody that's watching right now that doesn't know, his body guru is like the most jocked human of all time. So jocked. So jocked.

Just like ridiculously jocked. Flexible too. Flexible, pliable, all of it. Yeah. And dominant. Pretty good. Physical. You know what I mean? He gets in there. Top like ridiculously jocked. Flexible, too. Flexible, pliable, all of it. Yeah, and dominant. Pretty good. You know what I mean? He gets in there. Top two, not two.

He'll hand us a bell. We're big fans. Aaron, why are so many people tearing their Achilles right now? It seems like there's just – Are we aware of it? I think maybe we're a little more aware of it, but I don't remember this many many big-name guys doing it. You're talking about Kirk and the season he was having,

and obviously Jalen's a phenomenal player, and J.K. Dobbins, who's been a really good player in the league for a while. A.V.T., who's a pro-bowl, all-pro caliber guard. There's been a lot of guys. Tredavis White, I think, did his as well, right? T. White was out there. I don't know. I mean, listen, there's always going to be conversations around the surfaces.

But I don't know. I'm not sure. People hate that MetLife Stadium, but they got a bad vote. You know, you're going, they got a bad vote. I'm just telling you, 85 guys did a poll. And they said MetLife Stadium, this place stinks. That's the worst. I didn't do a poll. I wasn said MetLife Stadium, this place stinks. That's the worst. I didn't do a poll.

I wasn't asked. I don't play. There's a lot worse places than MetLife. I can promise you that. So I don't know who was doing the poll. I don't remember that I got asked any of those questions. But I could give you a lot of stadiums that are shitholes comparatively. Let's go ahead and do that.

Come on. Let's go ahead and do that. I don't need to. I'm go ahead and do that. Come on. Let's go ahead and do that. I don't need to. I'm just going to... No, not Lambo. Yeah, Lambo. That place is terrible. No, no. Lambo's beautiful. That is beautiful. The grass that Alan's done,

Alan has really got that grass supple over the years. It's real nice grass there. Good supple grass. Hey, I was watching Thanksgiving and Dak Prescott was yelling into every single living room Real nice grass there. Good supple grass. Hey, I was watching Thanksgiving, and Dak Prescott was yelling into every single living room, every single living room about 75 times, here we go, yeah, here we go, yeah, here we go.

We actually have a video of it right now. Here's Dak in his cadence, apparently, in 2023. Yes! Here we go! Here we go! Here we go! Here we go! in his cadence, apparently, in 2023. Yes! Here we go! Here we go! Here we go! Here we go!

Normally, it's like red 18, green 19, like you hear about this. And then Russell Wilson has this cadence that I heard in a kind of info track. I think I was listening in my car as we were driving home from Lucas Oil Stadium, and it sounded like it was 1910 with football. This is what he said. We said hut one, hut two, hut three.

Hut three. I didn't even know that existed. So, like, you're a person to ask who, because obviously the hard count and the cadence is something that you're, like, world-renowned for at this point. Why is the here we go entering my life, and how did this not happen beforehand? And what is like the evolution of cadences that we've got to this point where there's so many different ones seemingly at the same time? Well, I think that's a great question. I mean, just first I want to talk about Dak because he's become one of my favorite quarterbacks to watch.

I've watched more football this year than any other year because in normal years you're getting ready for a game, so you're never watching football. You might see some scores on your phone, and maybe every now and then see a Sunday night game, and you might get Monday, part of Monday or Thursday, but you're just not watching a lot of games. This year I watched a lot more games than usual.

But you're just not watching a lot of games. And this year I watched a lot more games than usual. And, you know, Tom had some comments about, Brady had some comments about some of the mediocrity in the game. And I just want to say Dak is not who he was talking about for a number of reasons. But I just love that he's really playing the position. What I mean by that is I'm watching him make ringo calls. So that's protection adjustments against these crazy looks and picking things up. I'm watching him bring the tight end back in against the zero pressure and throw an old concept we used to run for a touchdown, a seedy lamb in the back end zone.

I'm watching him use his cadence beautifully and get into this rhythmic here we go into like dummy, using it as a dummy sometimes, doing it twice, into like other cadences. I mean, the last four or five weeks I've gotten to see more of their games

and I just want to say like he's playing a position in a really impressive way and for whatever reason maybe because he's the Cowboys quarterback and it's one of those premier positions in sports like I feel like the Green Bay quarterback has been for a long time and some other you know positions in various sports he might take a little more shit than than he deserves or or maybe it's deserving of the position, I guess. But I love the way he's playing, and I love the way he's playing, like really playing.

I'm not talking about just like, oh, making good throws. I'm talking about like it seems more rare that guys are actually really playing a position where you're making adjustments, you're handling everything line scrimmage. Now you're doing this crazy cadence stuff. I love it, and I just want to shout out Dak for really impressing

me. He doesn't hear that a lot. No, he doesn't. Way to go, Dak. Here we go! But the evolution of the cadence from my perspective, Brett obviously came up with a rhythmic cadence

that has a snap point a little bit different than maybe we grew up where it was like down, set, hike, or go. And he snapped the ball on the hike or the go. This became a snap point at different times, whether it's second number or second color, and created this rhythmic type of cadence that you also were able to adjust to drop people off sides. Then there was the fad with the Omaha stuff that I think Peyton was doing, which was really just a way to do all his crazy stuff he was doing on the line of scrimmage.

People were like, what does Omaha mean? to do all his crazy stuff he was doing at the line of scrimmage, people were like, what does Omaha mean? Omaha meant, hey, mother, we got two seconds on the play clock, and I need this shit snapped quickly. So I'm just going to say Omaha. Right? It was a rhythmic thing to get us in and out of a cadence late on the play clock so we could do everything else at the line of scrimmage,

his real calls, as real calls, as dummy calls, as adjustments. Um, and then obviously when you have that, then you can change and you can go a second Omaha here or have some code words that mean no snap and different things. We obviously use the cadence,

uh, for years in green Bay to, uh, as, as a weapon. Uh, and I always said, it doesn't even matter if we draw them off sides because if they're thinking about it and they're watching the tv copy and

they're studying it they're going to be a little bit slower off because they just don't want to jump off sides um and then obviously we used you know 12 on the field for a long time as well where we're taking shots but if you look at the interesting evolution is that uh not every team still is willing to snap it and take a shot i mean for a long time i felt like uh you know cincinnati i remember would snap it and take a knee which i always thought was wild uh indie i think for the most part would try and just tap the guy so a guy comes outside tap him where i always said man snap that snap that thing. Let's take a shot. You know, like I don't care if you block anybody. Just snap that.

And then what you saw as well, coming out of a 2015 game with some complaints by a certain coach, now they started whistling things very quickly. If a lineman moved slightly before the snap, that they would blow the play dead. It really had to be guys offside, line does not move at all, would allow the play to happen. And then the other adjustment was, which didn't happen,

I remember a play specifically from 2009 against Detroit where Vandenbosch was like way off sides, and I did like did some pirouettes, spin around and hit Donald driver for about 50 yards. That play wouldn't have, wouldn't exist in today's game because there's a unabated to the quarterback, which means that the defensive players in a compromising position for the,

for the offense and really for the quarterback based on his jump. So now it's, it's a little bit more difficult to get people, but we got people three times in the game on Friday. Timmy did a great job with the cadence. Unfortunately, the downside of it is you can't have your own guys jump offsides. You can't have a false start. So we had, I think, three offsides and two false starts and a holding,

which negated the other one. So overall it's kind of a wash. That needs to be a little bit of a bigger weapon when we're using it. That's why I think some teams don't want to use it. But I love what Dak did. That was beautiful. I'm laughing at Russ. I think looking at the score in that, it looked like it was 24-12 or 27-12 at that point.

So I don't know if he's messing around because sometimes in practice, I'll do stuff like that where I'll change the cadence and just say hot one up to whatever the fact that they snap that on hut three is pretty amazing but uh but if you have a rhythmic cadence you can get guys just 24 12 yeah if you have a rhythmic cadence you can get guys to jump off sides and uh they can really be a weapon because at bare minimum they're thinking about it and if they're thinking about it they're not going to quite get off on the snap. What is it normally? It's normal number, color, right?

Number, color, and then you bounce it back. How did we get to, here we go. And are we just looking for any three syllable? Like what is the, how do you think Dak ended up with here we go? I think you should ask Dak. I don't know. I don't want to speak for him. I love it though, because it's loud.

Everybody can hear it. And if he wants to, and I was watching the synchronization of the plays, right? He started with here we go, set hut. And he did that, I don't know, three, four, five times. And then came back, and it was a no play. And he'd go, here we go, set hut. And they jumped, and they got a freebie, right? And then they came back and did a couple of them.

So I love the sequencing, and that's the beauty of a guy really playing the position. And there's a lot of great quarterbacks. There's only a few guys that really play the position, meaning they do all the little things. And Dak's doing it, and he's having a hell of a season, and it's been fun to watch this year. Yeah, it's like old school feel. And you talk about chatting with – thank you for the explanation of all that,

by the way. I had a pretty good cadence for field goal. You know what I mean? I had a pretty good cadence for field goal. How many times a field goal would you ever do like a double hands? A lot. I'm going – Yeah, you would?

Like this? No. But I would go on. I'd go on four sometimes. We're talking about on four. You'd look at Adam, and he'd give you a nod, and then he'd, like, flash your hands multiple times. Yeah, with a full,

the whole trying to get the edge guys to go. And you can't do that with a lot of kickers, though. Like, Vinatieri, you can do that with. I can go like, but not a lot of people you can do that with, you know? But did you tell the snapper, hey, if they jump, snap that thing

and let's go fire. Let's go deep. Yeah, I'm going to drop kick this thing or no, yeah, we're going to go ahead and give it a go. No, I never did that. But the offensive line appreciated it

because guys couldn't just, you know what I mean? Couldn't just steamroll. That's the worst position in sport. You didn't have like a Costanzo or somebody it was like hey he was playing the wing and you're like hey snap this thing if they jump and hey you just go deep yeah you know how we practice fire fire that's always the practice fire fire never once

has it ever worked nope ever the amount of people that need to hear it the amount of people that don't need to be blocked too they're like all right wing you're gonna go out into the flat tight end go ahead and break you're going to a corner uh holder go ahead and roll that way it's like if that ball is rolling on the ground both the tackle and the end are already on the ground because they got ran over by people there's people in the backfield it's an impossible but yeah costanza was a was a target of basically every single fake field goal that we were to run. But Adam Vinatieri was chasing a record, you see, a point record. So it wasn't a lot of, hey, we're going for touchdowns here.

We are. We're trying to kick field goals in this entire thing. But, yeah, I used to go – we used to go on three or four. We used to go on three or four legitimately. And it was like a big deal. It's a weapon. You know, we used to move five yards forward. That's a big deal whenever you're talking about kicks and everything like that and then brendan schooler this year the way he blocked the field goals because they wouldn't they weren't

going on one or two is whenever the jump right on top yeah i mean it's crazy whenever they get your you know whenever they get you that's why the cadences are so damn important but you've weaponized it more than anybody i think and to hear that that wasn't the norm before you were doing it is crazy to me. The Bengals used to just take a knee. They get a guy to jump offside. All right, we did it. That's good, Bob. Let's take a knee and get out of here.

I just assumed the deep shot was, like, always the thing. I just assumed that was the case. No, you got to coach it up. You got to coach up. Like, I think a lot of coaches are thinking, well, what if we get 12 power on and they jump off sides and i'm always like yeah just tell the backs to block and if the tight end gets out great if not take a shot down the field here it is here's one against the chiefs 17-7-2 in the second quarter that's quite a dagger quite a dagger james jones there

yeah there's like we watched the highlight of you doing this. He got like five or six of them. Jordy Nelson, there was a bunch to Jordy. Oh, don't play those. Don't play those. A bunch to James. I think you got Darius one time. Yeah, don't play those.

On that particular thing? Richard Rogers. Wow. What a crew. That was a good one. That was a good one to Richie there. All right. That was using silent cadence, which also is a weapon as well.

And it's tough. But the whole point is coaches have fears around things, and I always say let's just practice it. We'll either get our defense or do some walkthroughs and let them jump and just practice getting into it. It could be a run play. Let's run toss 18 semi and then have them jump offside and see if we can react to

like unless we do it but then they do it wrong once that's actually probably the best learning you can come back to hate you know then then the line starts thinking about then you start asking getting i like to get the line involved in it like hey what cadence do you want you know and dave bach diario was you know he was always offering suggestions about anything, you know, protection-wise, play-wise, cadence-wise. You know, he always had his certain things. And it was funny because he would always offer, you know, like he'd want to tell me what to do cadence on. And Brian would always have to verify what the cadence was. So Brian Ballard, awesome, just retired as a Packer, but awesome tackle.

Not as much as Chad Clifton. Chad, it didn't matter in time, you probably laughed at this, but Chad, I swear to God, every single play breaking the huddle, I asked him what the cadence was on again. That's a nice reminder for you. Yeah, great reminder. Brian was much less than that,

but Dave always told me what to call it on and Brian would every now and then ask me what it was on. Hey, we missed Bok this year. There's no Bok this year. I didn't even think about that until just now. No Bok Tiari. Last time we heard from him, he was flipping the turf to the grass

in that sit-down isolated video. Super handsome, good hair. Hopefully he gets fully healthy again. We hope for old Buck. You ever talk to any of the guys back at Green Bay still? I do. I do. I still have a lot of great friends there. So I sent

Jay a message after the Thanksgiving game. I thought he played awesome. And that was a big win. Obviously Detroit's had a real nice season, but they've had a couple of the last two where they probably should have lost to Chicago. Chicago kind of gave that thing up, which they somehow didn't last night. But I thought Jordan played one of his better games on Thanksgiving

and really threw it well and was efficient. There's an awesome touchdown. I think it was the first touchdown he threw. If you know the concepts, you would know this, but I'm about 95% sure that the slot guy is running, you know, a triple slant, and the number three's running double stick, which those two plays are often interchangeable, right? And so three breaks out where he should be running a slant,

and two runs a slant. There's no way that I don't think the play call would be for a guy who ran a stick and a guy who ran a slant behind him. But that's one of those fun ones where you go, oh, shit. Oh, all right. And everybody's like, look at this amazing throw. It's like, yeah, somebody ran the wrong route there. But it looks good in the stat sheet.

But he's, you know, Jordan's a great kid, and people are getting to see his ability and his progression. The league, you know, not the league, but the people that study the league, watch the league, not study, that's probably way too much credit, but the people that commentate on the league, scrutinize the league, they want to cancel and bury people or anoint people much too quickly, and there's a whole lot of flip-flopping that goes on with that.

There's not a lot of opportunities for people to learn and grow and go through their lumps. They're already crowning Stroud and burying Bryce Young, right? Oh, yeah. Well, they inspired the coach. Yeah. They inspired the coach. Yeah.

I know. I get it. But it's the first year, you know. And, yeah, Stroud's been fantastic. And Bryce, he hasn't had the same type of numbers. And, obviously, they've won one game. But, like, are we really going to bury a kid, you know, a 22-year-old kid after a season?

God, I hope not. And I wouldn't count against that kid. I think he's a phenomenal, phenomenal player. He's got a great work ethic. And, you know, we played him in the preseason. I don't think anybody was thinking this was going to be a 10 or 11-win team, that they're going to go through some lumps. But that's the league now.

It's crazy. They fired Frank Reich, who's an established coach, phenomenal coach. Obviously, things didn't go well there. But 11 games, right, 12 games, and then that scrutiny that Bryce has had, I just hope he doesn't let this bother his confidence. On the other side, you can't get too high either. You have a great first season. You've got to come back and do it again. You've got to come back and do it again and again and again. The consistency is all you build your resume and build yourself into a

perennial Pro Bowl player and an All-Pro, an MVP. You can't just rest on your laurels because after the first season, everybody's got film on you now. They've got 16, 17 games, and you've got to reinvent yourself every year and work on the things you're not good at and keep honing on the things that made you a good player. I think there's too much burying kids and also anointing some of these young players as well. There's too much burying kids and also anointing

some of these young players as well. There's a lot of phenomenal young players and I think a kid in Houston's been phenomenal. CJ and Bryce, I think they got the right jib too. I don't know how much you got to meet both those guys. I like the cut of their jib. Both of them feel like they are willing and ready to be

the next ones and have to work all year round on this whole craft. I think, I don't know. You might know better. I do too. I think they're both, they're both great kids and they handle it well. And CJ has been phenomenal and Bryce has gone through some lumps, but there's, there's a lot of lessons to learn. And I think, I think it's the right people to,

it's the right kid to respond there in Carolina for sure. And I think CJ is going to write some ups and downs as well. And how he responds to this is going to show people his character, which I think he's already shown. I think he's done a phenomenal job. But I just don't like it that they write off people kind of too quick and enjoy kind of piling on a little more than seems necessary. Yeah, we're the worst.

Sports coverage every single day is the absolute worst. We apologize for being a part of it. But it is very easy to say, this guy sucks after he goes out and has one game. Or it is very easy to say, this guy is the greatest ever, especially nowadays. That's like the easiest reaction. But the future seems to be in great hands. Do it on Monday. That's like the easiest reaction, but the future seems to be in great hands. Do it on Monday. That's fine, but the rest of the week.

And you guys do great because your spin is always way more positive except for maybe, you know, Connor's had some rough times this year with his team. No, he's positive. Ty kind of jumped off the rails from time to time, but I feel like he's back on the bandwagon.

And also Iowa's been playing, I can't say well, but they've been winning games. That's right. That's all that matters, right? That's right. That's all that matters. They've been playing well. Defense has been playing well.

Special teams have been playing well. They've been playing really well. Can Iowa, Ty, can Iowa hold Michigan to low enough points where they can make it close? Well, I've been telling everyone, Aaron, Michigan's in a dangerous spot because no one's given Iowa a score to piss this chance to win this game. Kirk's dogs will be ready. We'll be ready.

We'd play out in the parking lot on the concrete if they'd let us, but we mentioned it earlier. It's basically a home game for the hawks you know iowa city indianapolis very similar ann arbor much different so i don't know i'm expecting 65 70 70 000 you know rabid crazy hawk fans on saturday so yeah so yeah i'm thinking i don't even know if that's allowed. What do you mean? Just with ticket allotments and everything with neutral site games. I don't think that's. No, I heard Michigan fans are basically just saying, hey,

there's no chance you guys are going to win. So, yeah, we'll sell you our tickets. Oh, Michigan, good people. Good people. We've had enough this year. We don't need to see another one. But they may have made a mistake. You're right.

Hey, Ty, is Pete Thamel going to be one of those Iowa fans on Saturday? Well, there's a good chance, but as many people know, Aaron, I can't go around Michigan fans because I'm scared that they may throw bags of feces and piss and that kind of stuff at me because, oh, I don't know, I was just doing my job just trying to tell everybody that Michigan was cheating with Connor Stallions and Jim Harbaugh. And I guess that makes me a serial killer. You know, throw me in jail. Hate my guts for it.

Well, take your little kid pants off. You know, that was a very interesting thing to say. You know, if it was up to me, like I said, I would have been in the crowd mixing it up. I'd like to see a Michigan fan come up and get in my face. I'd love to see that. Talk to Pete Jr. and Pete III. Because they were with me all day. I didn't need to be in the stadium.

I didn't need to be in the big house. But the powers that be at ESPN said, Hey, Pete, we can't have you beating the shit out of a couple random undergrads at Michigan. I said, fine. That's fine by me. She said, fine. I said, that's fine by me. I'll do my dance. I'll shit in the big house. I won't cash dispersions on anyone

for not letting me be down there, but let's just remember Pete Thamel's always got his big boy pants on, okay? Yeah, he does, he lives in his big boy pants and he was right I think is what he would say this entire thing we'll see who's laughing when they give me the Nobel Peace Prize

okay I think it's a Pulitzer piece oh no I already got that in the bag speaking of Pulitzers I think huh are we doing it that in the back. Oh, okay. All right. Sweet, sweet. Speaking of Pulitzers, I think... Huh? Are we doing it? I don't know if there's any

books in this office. Oh, no! This guy hates reading! This guy hates literacy! This guy hates the kids! Damn! I mean, there's a journal here. Somebody's private journal. I can maybe go through. Crack it open. Yeah, let's go read a couple of those.

We've got a chance to do that in time. What's that in? No, I don't have any. My books are at the house. I've got some good ones in the pipeline. Some real, real good ones. All right. Well, we can't wait.

We're going to start reading every book we can find just in hope that it may be beyond. I don't expect you to read anything but you know maybe zito and the boys yeah you should read that arnold book you know you gotta learn a little bit more about some of that shmay big audiobook guy me and zito are reading the same amount of books you need to know that we're that's gonna be a zero but yeah big shmay it's all about the shmay that's right you know i mean i love the shmay you smoke cigars with this guy you hang out with this guy you do that's right you know i mean i love the shmay you smoke cigars with this guy you hang out with this guy you do ayahuasca with i have i have yeah it's it's it's

a treat he's a great storyteller he's he's a pretty funny funny guy and uh loves the shmay loves the shmay just like we enjoy and shout out heather heather's a great cook as well all right way to go he Heather. Thank you, Heather. Over there at the Achilles factory. All right, Aaron. We'll enjoy the rest of the day. What's it look like? We got more workouts? We're recovering? What do we got the rest of the Tuesday? No, we're about done for the day.

Got everything done this morning. Late to bed, early to rise. Gets all your shit done before you die on McAfee show that is the quote something like that but yeah excited about tomorrow and hopefully

getting back on the practice fields. Hey, pink sky at night, sailors delight pink sky in the morning Pat McAfee show happened on Tuesdays with Aaron Rodgers. That's right. That's what they say. That's the old quote, dude.

Where's Tone? Tone, is he there? Well. Miss you, Tone. We miss Tone. We miss Tone. Funny enough. Yeah, we miss him.

What's wrong with me? You have COVID again? Huh? What did you say? Tone got fired finally? Tone did not get fired. No, no, no. Whoa, whoa. Finally. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What was that?

He's got a family. This guy's calling for his job. Jeez Louise. That's what media's supposed to do, not players. I thought there was maybe some pressure from Canada's people after he was advocating for that firing so hard. He has no people. They hate him, too.

Yeah, everybody hates him. He went for 400 yards first game. He was gone. Kenny Pickett played the best game he's had. Fryermuth had a career day. I mean, it was certainly something immediately afterwards, a little cherry on top of that whole Matt Canada story, Aaron, certainly. You guys going to Friday somewhere or what?

So I'll be down in Atlanta. It's a neutral site game, though, and I think the thing is inside. So I'll be down there. You'll be down there, but Connor's not going to piss anybody off? Did you enjoy that App State take there in the middle of James Madison? There were so many people there. They were so good to us. So nice to us.

Nice people, too. And Connor just spits in their face and ends up being right. He was right. There was a lot of hatred back at Connor. I don't know. It seemed like. It was great. Yeah, it was a little deep.

You're enjoying that villain role. He's a method actor, just like we all are. We'll see you tomorrow acting again. Nailed it. Boom. That was great. That was good. With the music, too. We'll be acting again. Everybody, I didn't know these guys were fake. Just reading the script out there. These guys are media.

Tony might have went back to the ranch, though. I was pissed about the script this year, to be honest. I mean, you got a pretty sweet one. Four games? All right, then go back and hang out with the Dolphins and Arnold Schwarzenegger? Okay. Yeah. I guess is what you said.

I'm turning 40 at some point. Maybe we spice it up a little bit more. Yeah, but this is not what I wanted. Dude, how about how cool you talked about it there with how it was supposed to be in the offseason? You running out with that flag on September 11th? I know. On the worst stadium

in the NFL voted on by players and everybody? Yep. You're running out there on September 11th? Nobody fucking voted on that. Come on. 85 people? What's worse then? What's the worst spot? There's a lot of worse spots on that. Come on. 85 people. What's worse then? What's the worst spot? There's a lot of worse spots than that. What's a great spot?

What's some of your favorite places to play? Let's see your top 31 places. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You got good recall. Listen, obviously Lambeau. Lambeau's fantastic. I love the turf.

Not turf. It was grass. But the grass at Qualcomm was incredible. That was not a great place to play, although it was all Packer fans back in 2011. But the grass at Qualcomm was great. The grass at Soldier Field, forever until this year, because Tay sent me a picture of it before the game when the Raiders played there. The grass at Soldier Field was the shittiest forever.

And that place gets colder than any other stadium. I mean, listen, I played Minnesota in three different spots. One of them was the University of Minnesota. That was a cold-ass place to play for sure. Was that the historically cold game? Was it against you guys? No, that was a play-ass place to play for sure. Was that the historically cold game? Was it against you guys? No, that was a playoff game in Seattle when Walsh missed that shorty, like a 20-something-yard field goal.

They would have beat Seattle. Yeah, there's a stadium in Virginia that's pretty bad. Washington? Yeah, they got poop pipes first. They had no hot water after the last game. Remember that? There were some people in some hot water for the lack of hot water. A little dust up over there.

That's accidentally happened in Chicago a few times over the years. I can tell you that. To both teams? times over the years, I can tell you that. To both things? Never after an L. Only after a big dub by the G&G would they...

Water's not working. Well, that's because you were the landlord, remember? Yeah. The old... I was talking about worst locker rooms. The old Metrodome locker room was literally shoulder to shoulder, but your shoulders were bigger than the size of the locker.

Candlestick was terrible. Candlestick was really bad. That was bad. Two chains performed though. Remember when two chains performed in our game on the dugout out there? Yeah, I remember that we didn't touch old Kaepernick the entire game.

I think he ran for 170 yards and didn't get tackled one time. He was lit or ran out of bounds. And people forget the first pass of the game went the other way. Pick six from Sammy Shields. I was like, we're going to blow these boys out. No, we didn't.

Nah, tinny boys on the dugout. You guys got no shot with two chains on the dugout. You got no chance at all there. Oakland was terrible there for a while. I was literally just going to say the Coliseum was terrible. Kansas City, that locker room, away locker room, not good. Not great. That thing's tiny.

How are the Pittsburgh locker rooms? Nice, new. Because they got college there, too. Yeah. All the new stadiums are actually pretty good. Like the Niners locker room, the away team locker room, is really nice.

I think they have to be now. I wonder if there's a whole song and dance. Iowa, didn't you guys used to have the pink? Still do. Still do, brother. Pink locker rooms. Is that why you guys are in the Big Ten championship? I don't know. Hayden Frow's a genius. Calm the away team down before

the game. Just calm them down. AJ knows. Shit, AJ, you ever win at Iowa? I don't know. Did I? We talked about this before. I don't think you did. Oh, really? It's a great place to play. Those pink locker rooms got us all freaked out. Bingo. It's probably the general's

fault. Could have been. Well, we don't know what he's thinking when he sees that pink wall. Oh my god, I need all of it. I need all of it. I think we know what he was thinking. Yeah, we do. I heard they actually put it in for guys that are exactly like the general Bob

Carpenter. That's what we're going to do. We're going to distract one type of human. It's going to be a barbarian-like guy, and that's the general Bob Carpenter. That's what we're going to do. We're going to distract one type of human. It's going to be a barbarian like guy, and that's the general Bob Carpenter. How do you feel about that? Is there anybody like that guy? No. No. Did you watch... Aaron, you remember in

Dallas, I believe it was the Creed game. You ran in from your early, early warm-ups. Aaron ran into the locker and was like, Hey, man, you've got to go see Bob's mustache. Have you seen this? I think he had cut it into a big-time handlebar, and he actually set it up, too, so he got his license picture taken that same week so he could have the handlebar for like eight years of his license.

And that's the first thing I remember was going to see him, Bob, but Aaron came running into me and let me know. He's the best. Did you watch that Michigan-Ohio State game? Did you watch that at all? I did, yeah. His Michigan team might be the mentally toughest team of all time. Legitimate.

I have no idea how there's a lot of shit, a lot of shit, and they've somehow maintained the course here. I think that's pretty impressive, like very impressive. Yeah, it can bring you together for sure, especially now you've got a common enemy. It's Michigan against everybody, right? But they don't have any really weaknesses. The defense is really, really good.

They got a couple of really good backs. Quarterback looked like he was healthy and was making some plays. But I think Iowa's probably going to have their hands full this weekend. Yeah, I think you're right. I think that's probably the case. But I will say the thing working in their favor, Ty, you know this, is nobody expects them to win. Bingo.

That's right. That's a good place to be in. There's a lot of situations, though, that just don't get talked about afterwards, where everybody thought one team was going to lose, and they do. And they just move along. Let's talk about one thing, and give a shout-out to my alma mater and Justin Wilcox at Cal.

The boys have been through an up-and-down season, lost a few close games, but we were 4-6. We beat Stanford, won the Axe again, and then they beat UCLA in the last – and this is the sad part. This is crazy. This is the last Pac-12 regular season game ever. They came through, beat UCLA to get to 6-6, get bowl eligible. So shout out to Justin and his coaching staff.

All the Cal Bear faithful. And the Pac-12, as the legendary former UCLA center, Bill Walton would say, the Conference of Champions. That's right. After this weekend, there will be no more. So hopefully the committee does the right thing and puts the winner of this Oregon-Washington game into the college playoff

because that would be a nice way to go out for the conference before it disbands and Cal fucking joins the ACC. Who you got in the game? Two good quarterbacks, Bo Nix, Pennington Jr.? Bo's playing amazing. I'm a little torn because I know if Washington wins, there's no way they get held out. I also really, really enjoy watching Bo and feel like he can win a Heisman.

I feel like it's kind of between Daniels and what is that odds? I can't tell. Minus 165. Bo's the favorite. Who's second? Jaden. Daniels? Yeah. And then5. Bo's the favorite. Who's second? Jaden. Daniels? Yeah.

And then Penix is third? Yep. Penix 15. And that's kind of what I was thinking. So I feel like it would be awesome for the Pac-12 in their last year for Bo to win. And I feel like if he plays really, really well, which he has been incredible, I think he should win the Heisman. And if Oregon wins, with one loss, three points at Washington,

if you look at their record, you know, up against the other one-loss teams, it's going to be very interesting because if Alabama wins, their one loss would be against Texas week two. Texas, their loss would be against Oklahoma, I believe, in the Red Bull rivalry. Is that right? Yeah. their loss would be against Oklahoma I believe in the Red Bull rivalry, is that right?

So to me Oregon is in over those. What happens in the ACC because everybody's just waiting for a reason for Florida State to not make it but if they end up winning they're probably in. SEC has got to get somebody in, right?

You would think. They're saying maybe not. That's what all the college people are saying. It's crazy to think because Georgia's one loss would be Alabama. I cannot stand the BCS and what they've put together now. So I want it to just, like, have controversy every year just so they realize how stupid it is to not have more than four teams. And obviously they're changing it, but it's years of ridiculousness.

That's why I'd love to see Alabama win and Iowa win and Oregon win and Louisville win. Aaron's pulling for full chaos. Love it. Full chaos.

Everybody's got one loss. All right, committee. Now you're going to piss off at least four teams. I love that you're pulling. You realize how stupid this has been this entire time. You lose not just the integrity of these bowls, which have been amazing over the years, but you lose out on all the money that you could have had. And you guys talked about that when you were at James Madison. Like what they've done to lock

in that squad of a bowl game is ridiculous, too. We all know that, but it's just common practice for the NCAA. Going after kids for getting meals from a family they grew up with that was like their second

family and can't buy them a freaking cheeseburger and all the other stupid-ass shit that they've been trying to enforce over the years. It's an absolute joke. I mean, and now they're professional football. Now they're upset that the players are making a little bit of money. I mean, it's. Hey, you follow college ball.

I just heard a fool on. I mean, there's college football playoff rankings being released tonight, 7 p.m. Eastern on ESPN. Your take right there is going to be said by at least two of the people that are on TV up there. You sound like you know college ball. You've been following along. Well, let's just age.

I want to ask you this. I have been. And then I'll get off and get on with my life. But how far does Ohio State drop in the polls? Because that's going to be huge, right? Does anyone give them a chance to possibly get in? Is there even an outside chance? I don't think so. With how everything's

going. Last year they got a reprieve. If they drop to 15, it doesn't even matter. I think you need for Ohio State again, you need Georgia to win. You need Michigan to win. You need Michigan to win. You need Oklahoma State to win. Louisville.

You need Washington to win and Louisville to win. And I think they get in this fourth seed if that happens. The general was ranked. The general put them in. I'll be very excited to see how the general has him ranked. But, like, this year with the parity amongst all of the conferences, it's like the decision is going to be made. You hear Herbstreit talk about it yesterday?

He's like, it's not about who's deserving, okay? Everybody's deserving. He's at the point where it's like, can we get the four best in here? Yes. Because the average point differential of these games is like 20 points a game. Like these semifinals, it's like who deserves to be in there? Who deserves four best in here? Yes. Because the average point differential of these games is like 20 points a game. These semifinals, it's like, who deserves to be in there? Who deserves to be in there? Who played hard this year?

Who did that whole thing? And Herbie's sitting up there in the booth, and by the second quarter, this thing's 21-3. And he's like, this game's already over. He's experienced it, I think, from a different angle. So he wants the best teams. I want the best games, the best games, the best games. But the best teams didn't show up every single week throughout the entire season so it's like who is who isn't i do not envy that committee at all and i'm thankful that we got the 12 team

playoff next year aaron very thankful for that very very thankful yeah me too that committee jobs suck they love that power. They signed up for it. Oh, yeah. Like they want to be in that room saying, well, you know, but it's like they're never going to get it right. Committee members are the same people that are going to be 85 years old sitting on the HOA head of those committees. Yes. You know, telling people they can't build a fence in their backyard.

They got to paint their house a certain color. That HOA thing is wild. In Pittsburgh where I grew up, no HOA. And then you come out to Indiana and I learned that. See what happens. Let's try that in a small town in Pittsburgh. Yeah, exactly. I don't know how.

We got other rackets that are running. The Italians are doing their thing. We don't need individual HOAs with no Italians telling me what to do. You're not doing that on Greenfield Avenue. You know what I mean? Yeah, go ahead. Build a fence. Do whatever you want.

Just don't come inside ours. Yeah, just don't fucking look inside what we got going on. Anyways, Tim McAfee got too many sticks in his front yard. His HOA first visit to him. Is that right? That was awesome. Aaron, if David Tepper called you, would you entertain an interview to be the head coach there? There we go.

I'm going to try and play. I'm going to try and keep playing. I know. But what if he says, hey, man, I'm going to bring an intern in maybe for a year. But, yeah, I'd like to interview you because I think you could be a potential head coach in this league. Jackie Moon.

Pass. Hard pass. Thank you. Hard pass. AJ, how about you? Dave Tepper called and says he wants you to be the head coach of the Carolina Panthers. Yeah, we could have a Zoom. We'll Zoom and talk about it.

Okay, see if you guys like each other. I can't really move. I don't foresee that happening. I don't think he would do it, but you never know. Okay. Yeah, you don't want to move, don't you? Where's AQ at? I feel like he's a little salty on me after I, you know, told him that he might have had that thing a little wrong when, you know,

Pittsburgh's running form of this old kangaroo play we had. Not, you know, receivers probably weren't supposed to be blocking. Whoa. He got a little salty about that. Well, hey, Kier, listen. He loves the football as much as the next guy. He does. But he was.

He does a great job on his run game stuff. When you start talking about, you know, past games, like... That's what he says to Orlovsky. Bingo. Hey, this is what he says. This is what he says whenever, like, quarterbacks start talking about run game or run protection and everything like that. He, like, Orlov...

The reason why In the Trenches exists with A.Q. Shipley is because Dan Orlovsky threw some center under the bus on espn like three years ago four years ago and i got this entire video from aq's phone going this fucking idiot and he like broke the whole thing down and i'm like all right dude you want do you want me to tell you want me to give you orlovsky's number or whatever he goes no but this needs to change it's like okay maybe we'll do in the trenches. That's where we got it. And now you're doing the same thing back to him. It's a nice little circle

of this entire thing. Well, I think he would meet his match if he really wants to start matching wits in the run game because I know the run game pretty well too. He's challenging Orlowski.

I don't think he's challenging Aaron. I think he's a little different there. I love both what AQ does and DB on there. I think those are awesome segments. And just like I've been watching way too much damn football this year, I get to watch your show when I was at the Achilles factory like every damn day, which has been awesome. Oh, yeah.

But those are fun segments too. Well, thanks for watching. Thank you, Aaron. Yeah, it's great to pass time. It's great to pass time with. Sure. There's still people that don't think you tore your Achilles. Will we ever get a photo of the Achilles being just ripped?

Listen, we're on YouTube now, so let me just say it to anybody out there that didn't think I tore my Achilles. GFY. Oh. LikeY. Oh. Like that. Oh. What does that mean?

First word is go, and the last word is yourself. Finger in the middle. The middle is probably what you're not doing living in your parents' basement. Got it. Okay. That was what happened with Tovid. Yes. Got it.

Okay. All right. Well, GFY to all all of them that's what i say go finger yourself everywhere amen all over the place do what you need to do that's right but just keep your stupid ill-informed opinions out of our universe please Ain't that right, Aaron? Yeah. Just do your own research. Oh, no. Nice, nice. Ladies and gentlemen, Aaron Rodgers. Appreciate it, buddy.

Fauci was like, get him off. Please, please. Please, quick. Get him out. Let's get to a break. Hey, Ton. Hope you're good, Fotch and Diggs Yep Hope you guys are good

Is Tone alright? He's okay Yeah he was just sick Oh He had an accident Didn't want to spread He didn't have an accident Well

He was sick Yeah He's sick He's sick currently He's sick Yes I sold it to Foxy Like he damn near crashed his car and died

Oh yeah Why did you do that? For Foxy. He damn near crashed his car and died. Oh, yeah. Why did you do that? Monday morning, 7 a.m. Yeah, Diggs isn't coming in today. He was driving home. He got in a big accident. What did you do? I don't know.

What the hell? It's just a good perspective. You know, Tony's sick. He could have crashed his car and died. Like what Gary Vee does. Exactly. Anybody catch the... It did make me grateful for the week we had coming.

Boom. Well, Tony, we miss you, pal. Did anybody check out the Gary Vee mod? I did. I got the whole stream. I did. Gary wasn't on there for about two hours. And after I watched two hours of it without Gary, I was like, okay.

So you were waiting for him to... Yeah. What? Yeah. I was waiting for that. Nothing. What's that all about? Can't be doing that, Gary. He's not.

Who's beating the boss? If the boss ain't there, you're just beating yourself. You're beating off. Yeah, they were doing like a pack opening and sending the packs to people. So it was like, hey, this is Ed and Steve's pack. I'm going to open it now. And they showed you the pack and they were doing that. They weren't really battling the boss.

I assume Gary was in the lab making more V-mon. Let's get to a break. Come on, Gary. We got everything D-B-L-A. Good D, bad D. Yes, sir. Let's go. Patriots on there?

The Patriots did not make it. Damn. How about the Colts? The Colts did make it. For good D? Absolutely. Wow. Only winners make a good D.

Well, that's not completely true. Don't look now. Unless I need to bury. Don't look now. Colts are in the Absolutely. Wow. Only winners make a good D. Well, that's not completely true. Don't look now. Unless I need to bury. Don't look now. Colts are in the playoffs. Boom. Yeah. Everything's still in front of us.

We're like the perfect team because we already got a quarterback for the future. Okay? We already got a quarterback for the future. So it's not like we're trying to tank. Like the fans are happy if we win. Yeah. You know what I mean? True.

We're happy if we win. Let's keep it going. If we lose, teams. Yeah. Quarterback. Quarterback? We're happy if we win. Let's keep it going. If we lose, teams... It's like a perfect situation. And as you watch Gardner Minshew do a shoulder shimmy of the century after he scores another touchdown

and throw some up to Michael Pittman Jr. and the boys, it's like, here we go. Josh Downs is a player. It's fun. It's been a fun year watching this. Got a good coach. Shane Steichen's a guy. JT got hurt. We're saying good things. Oh, yeah. Jonathan Taylor did hurt

his thumb. It was only his thumb. That's good. Two touchdowns. Think of what we were talking about in the summer with them. In training camp with Jonathan Taylor, with everything. Man, this is a tough job to come into and now look at you. It's a hell of a coaching job. Shane Steichen's done it. And also, good backup quarterback, Gardner Minshew.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Instead of like Tim Boyle, I didn't want to bury him to Aaron. But I did think about asking, like, hey, did you think about just rolling yourself out there and just maybe flicking the wrist in that 55-yard Hail Mary before that? Yeah, sitting down on your butt cheeks and tossing it. So the Tim Boyle doesn't have that on his resume? Yeah.

You know what I'm talking about? Hey, did you see what happened during the Hail Mary, Aaron? Everybody's saying it's like the worst play of all time. Yeah, Hail Mary. Did you think about going out there? I mean, he only had to throw that 56 yards. He almost made it there. Yeah, right on the goal line.

I was pissed. Why were you pissed? It's good for DB. Go out, Davis. Oh, yeah. Rest in peace. Bad day in heaven. I don't think I've ever seen a Hail Mary take a back.

Never. Ever. Yeah, that's why it was. Shout out, Javon. Hey, way to go, Holliday. Holland, I'm sorry. Good work. On Holliday.

On Holliday. Holland on Holliday. They say Holland on Holliday is fucking hard to get a hold of. It's hard to get a hold of hauling on a holiday. Especially whenever he's returning a Hail Mary that's really hellacious. Hauling on a holiday for a Hail Mary that's hellacious is hard to get a hold of. Holler back, dude. Well said.

Hell yeah. Happened last night. That man has won a lot of championships in football it's aj hawk the talk table is here at boss of connor and at ty schmidt and a man who's sitting in place of one half of the hammer dad cowboys town digs who is out because he is sick uh derrick j butler is here anyway he looks super cool had the hat on all. Kind of took that off because we're about to get to everything DB. Yeah, got to let the brain breathe a little bit. Oh, that's why people wear visors. Let that brain in there. Did you hear what Kirby Smart

said about Jalen Milrow? Kirby Smart, obviously the head coach of the Georgia Bulldogs. They're back-to-back national champions. We had the incredible honor of talking to this dude. He was great on our show. Great on our show. Seems like he's building a team in a blue-collar fashion a tough fashion they're playing alabama in the sec championship this saturday where we will be live from for game day and i'll be live from on friday here's kirby smart talking about jaylen milrow

you're talking about a compliment here's like 10 of them in one particular statement when you were talking about milrow are those like Tim Tebow characteristics with the size, the speed, and the running ability? No offense to Tim Tebow. I love Tim Tebow. This guy's different. You know, Tim was, you know, he was just, it was a different running style. You know, very different running style in terms of what they did

and how they did things. This guy's, I mean, it's like when I used to ask my sons who they were playing with on the Madden game, and they would say, I'm playing with the Ravens. And I would say, why are you playing with the Ravens? And they would say, they got Lamar Jackson, and nobody can tackle him. Well, this guy's a bigger physical version of that. He's playing at a different speed than everybody else when you watch it.

And that's the way the Madden game was for him. And, you know, the guy throws the ball really well. Old school 2K, you'd play with Pat White, Steve Slate, and West Virginia was the team on NCAA 2K because of what Pat White was able to do at the quarterback position and running. Obviously, Michael Vick was like that, and Madden Lamar Jackson like that.

Whenever you have these freak athletes at the quarterback position and running. Obviously, Michael Vick was like that, Matt and Lamar Jackson like that. Whenever you have these freak athletes at the quarterback position who just are seemingly faster, stronger, smarter, and everything at one position. I didn't know Milrow had that type of respect from his peers, though. I didn't know Milrow had that respect because this is his first year starting. He got benched earlier in this year. And we've seen him obviously blossom and grow. And he actually said, where's the Heisman? Give me that motherfucker after the fourth and goal from the 31, which I love that.

I enjoy hearing that type of moxie out of him. I'm pumped for Milrow. Hey, congratulations, man. That's like the back-to-back national champions talking about you. He's worked his ass off to get here, which I think makes us understand, like this georgia defense is going to be ready for everything this alabama team has think about how kirby's talking about this alabama team as we head into the sec championship aj yeah i mean we were there and we got to see him play we watch him play in person the first thing i you notice when you see him it's just his physical stature just everything about him and then you watch how

he's progressed especially as a passer this year, and you see his leadership, and I mentioned it yesterday. I feel like he has infectious positivity, at least every time he's on camera, his teammates have to feel that. But think if you're an upcoming opponent and you're watching some of that film, it's scary to think about what this guy can do with his legs, obviously, all day long. He can just beat you so many different ways. I remember I played against Cam Newton when he was early do with his legs, obviously, all day long. But, like, he can just beat you so many different ways. I remember I played against Cam Newton when he was early on in his career.

And Cam, like, all right, man, what are we going to do? What do we have to do here? Like, you do whatever you can, get him to third and long, whatever. Cam runs three dudes over, you know, rolls his way into the end zone. Like, and he would just continue to do that all day. And then he lofts the ball over your head and has nice touch on it. And he can kind of do everything. And I think Millwell, we're watching him grow as a quarterback but man it's fun to watch

like just his physical nature and everything that he can do that you can't really you can't coach you can't do that like he's just special he gets on the edges too those corners are making some business decisions d bud what do you think about this alabama team like you said he's built but freak show athlete uh still in opinion, athlete's still learning how to play quarterback. Obviously, it's a long season. We saw him take that L to Texas. You mentioned get benched. You make a big play like that in the Iron Bowl. Now,

you got the back-to-back national champs. Just completely flip everything on his head. He goes out and wins this game. Just a freak athlete. He's in open space. Any Saturday, he can be the fastest, most electric player on the field, which is saying something to SEC if you're playing a quarterback position. So he's a special talent to watch. And Saban, I think, has really embraced everything that he is.

You know, they have a meeting every single week. They chit-chat. I think it's near whenever we get a chance to talk to Coach Saban. But the way he's talked about his development, and he said the guys really like him. That's what he kept. He just always says the guys really like him. That means something.

Like earlier, Lombardi was talking about Carson Wentz whenever Frank Reich basically told the Colts, like, hey, Carson over here, whenever we were looking for a quarterback, obviously what Frank and Doug and Carson were able to do in Philadelphia before big Richard Nick Foles came in and did his thing, Frank Reich thought that they could kind of recreate Carson Wentz, who was an MVP quarterback, before he got hurt for the Philadelphia Eagles in Indianapolis. And then when it didn't work out,

when Carson couldn't win over the locker room, and when nobody really... Michael Lombardi said he thinks that ruined Frank, like his confidence and everything, because Frank thought he saw something and it completely backfired. And he said it was because he couldn't relate to the locker room. Like, if the team likes you that's a massive ordeal now you have to be good you can't suck normally if you suck teams aren't gonna like

you just because you're ruining a lot of our lives okay a lot of us are potentially doing our jobs pretty good and we can't be happy you know why because you stink that's gonna be at any position but it's certainly at a quarterback position whenever they're touching the ball every single time it's not easy to be liked anywhere in a professional sport level if you're losing and you stink. That's just going to be one of those things. But how much he's loved, the benching, how he handled it, it's like mentally the makeup of this guy

is special. I think he's very fucking special. And Coach Saban has coached people like Hertz, who I think we're watching his leadership kind of be on display. So with how athletic he is, how mentally sharp and tough and seemingly professional he is it's like milrow might be a guy for a long time in his football world and i think you know with the way the nfl game is kind of going are we just seeing the

beginning of something very special and is this weekend one of the ones we'll look back on it said changed everything for him from the national spotlight what year is milrow uh junior junior maybe sophomore junior but there's a COVID year, I think. COVID year. I mean, even – and I hate to do it because I know he's a quarterback and probably wants to be a quarterback, but he's – when I watch him play, I feel like this guy can play four or five different positions. And obviously, if he wants to stay a quarterback, he can do that,

continue to develop. Softball. It's going to be a tough one. But you mentioned Hurts, but even Tua. Tua is mature. Somebody talked about it the other day about what Mike McDaniels is doing on here. Then to go back with Wentz, what Lambeau said about that connectivity,

that was a super tough year. I couldn't imagine that year being in 2020, that COVID year, you're coming in and trying to connect with new teammates, trying to get them to like you. I feel like the Eagles, the guys before he got hurt, I feel like they spoke about him glowingly. The team loved him when he was on that MVP run.

He was an MVP player. Yeah. He was beloved by everybody. Got paid. And it wasn't that. He hurt his – Against the Rams. It was on a dive, wasn't it?

Yeah, he was going across the goal line. Like a shove. He was rolling out. But, yeah, it was him. He scored too, right? Yeah, he scored. And then because he dove, yeah, the guy was going to hit him, hit his knees, and it got like smushed between the guy who was tackling him

and the guy that was diving trying to stop him. That changes everything. Everything. Yeah. Came back in the next play too, and I believe they went for two, and he was on the field for that play. Yeah, that's Carson Wentz football. Damn right.

That's Carson Wentz football. That changes it all. But, yeah, you're right. I guess during the time in which it was, it's going to be tough to connect. But if you don't have the locker room behind you, I think that says a lot about who you are. That means the locker room knows in the locker room, he's cool. In the weight room, he's working his ass off. In the meeting room, he's paying attention.

Those are things that guys like. If you're a shitbag and you're also bad, not a lot of people are going to like you. Like, hey, you're ruining everything for us a lot of people are going to like you. Like, hey, you're ruining everything for us. Like, all of us are kind of doing our thing. If you're a shitbag and you're great, it's like, all right, that's how they – They'll put up with it. Keep going. They'll put up with it.

Yeah, you're right. They'll put up with it until you're not good anymore. Yeah, that's how – That's the thing. You know, that's how he plays. Yeah, can't put too much information in there. Can't be watching film. Yeah, because, you know, yeah, it's just the same how –

Everyone will make excuses for it. If you't be watching film. Yeah, because, you know, yeah. It's just saying how that's. Everyone will make excuses for it. If you're winning games and you're playing well, everyone around will make excuses for every, like, pitfall that you may have until you start losing games. And you start playing bad. If you start playing bad, it's like, well, you ever think about maybe.

You guys are fucking asshole. Like, try. Maybe showing up before 9 a.m. one time, buddy. Like, yeah. Yeah, maybe like cold tub, you know, maybe not being late to treat. You ever think about maybe just doing that? It's funny, though.

All the stuff that you used to think he was cool for, man, this guy's awesome. He smokes cigs. He doesn't ever work out. He's a legend, right? He's a legend, bro. And then the second he starts playing bad, they hate everything about him. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, bud. Been there. Yeah, a lot of that. I mean, you think about, like, I mean, a lot of teams have those guys because there's a lot of guys who, I don't want to say a lot of that. I mean, you think about, like, I mean, a lot of teams have those guys because there's a lot of guys who, I don't want to say a lot of guys, but, like, there's a handful of guys who are just, you don't think their diet is terrible. The way they live, terrible.

Their study habits, not great. Work ethic, is it? But then game day they show up somehow, and it is. It's like rare rear a complete different ball handful guys yeah like a handful of guys like ocho cinco kind of because he's just eating mcdonald's yeah but i think his workout is stupid yeah okay he's sleeping at the facility and stuff yeah yeah like i think that's the thing that doesn't get talked about is like the amount of like film study and work it takes to be at that highest level even the people that potentially

like kind of fuck off a little bit but there are some guys that for somehow some way and they don't they're not going to be hall of famers but they're able to have success who just somehow are the worst professional athletes of all time everything you're not supposed to do they do and somehow they can pull it off and everybody else is just like that's not real life that's not how it goes and then it ends up crashing then it kind of ends up crashing it's hard to sustain it's really hard to sustain that like oh you're just the best athlete you've always been the best athlete you can just show up and as long as you play somewhat hard you're going to be very good yeah it's hard to sustain that for many many years and if you

hear what everybody's saying about milrow sounds like he's beloved because he's doing it right on the uh behind closed doors which we appreciate Can't wait to see his growth. Even though D-Butt's like, put him at tight end. What is that about? He's a great fullback. But he wants to be a quarterback. Hey, respect it. Hopefully he continues to grow.

But if he does not, and there's no money anymore left, and there's the only option is to maybe run a couple routes, don't think it's a bad idea. Don't think it's a bad idea for anybody out there. Not that he's going to need to do that. We're just saying in general. And then you go to Georgia. Carson Beck, this dude just averages three higher a game.

Just whatever. We're undefeated. Here we go. We beat everybody. That's just what we do. And I throw the ball all over the yard. We obviously have a run game in Milton and Edwards, but this dude is like a real deal. And he's making tough throws too. He's not even in the conversation for the Heisman.

They're like not even number one, number one team in the country, back-to-back national champions. His first year starting averaging like 300 yards a game, uh, slicing Dyson. They lose the best player in the country. He has his best game after that happens. It's like, and nobody's even talking about him. I assume his like Jalen Monroe, obviously Kirby just complimented him. It's like, and nobody's even talking about him. I assume his, like Jalen Monroe, obviously Kirby just complimented him. That's not normal, though, for a lot of people to come out and say that about him. And then Carson Beck, nobody's saying shit about this guy.

He has to have so many, and he's stuck around now. He played before Stetson played. Then Stetson comes in whenever he gets hurt and does the whole Stetson thing for however long it is. And now he's still there. It's like the amount of shit he's been through. what he got a bunch of good pub too when he wasn't caught like we were always maybe it was just everything like the age everything his story is why he got a little more pub or or I guess Stetson is the one who kind of put those there and now he's trying to uphold the expectations of Carson Becker yeah that's what of course yeah you better win every game you better

throw for 300 plus yeah Carson's phenomenal though's phenomenal, though. Oh, yeah. I am a big fan of him. And he has a leg tat. He does. Good point. That is an ipso facto. That is an indicator for me because a lot of people say, oh, I'll get a leg tat.

Not everybody follows through with how long that has to take, the pain process, and knowing exactly how cool it's going to look all the time. Dealing with how cool you look all the time is something you have to decide. He did. I love him. I absolutely love Carson Beck. That Georgia team also feels like in October it was one of those things

where they were maybe susceptible. Like, hey, someone could maybe get him here. But now they've found their identity and they know who they are. And it seems like they're right back to where they were last year. Early in the season, I think a lot of people were like, oh, they lost so many guys to the NFL, they don't have Stetson, Raising Hill, and Athens anymore. Well, maybe.

Yeah, maybe. I guess you're right. But now it seems like they've kind of rounded into form. I mean, you talked about it a couple weeks ago. Their fans were kind of ho-hum after they beat Missouri, and now we see what Missouri's doing. It it's like this team's very very fucking good and it's going to take a herculean effort from alabama to beat them yeah and then everybody is just not even brock powers obviously oh best tight end he's lad mcconkey yeah he's awesome how about his story how about his story we learned about on game day jen lada i think yep did a lad mcconkey special his story we learned about on game day? Jen Lada, I think, did a Ladd-McConkie special. His story.

Walk on, obviously. He's sweet. He's awesome. They got more and more. It's an NFL factory all of a sudden. Yeah, I'm really hoping Saban comes out and just does exactly what Kirby does. Like, yeah, my grandkids were playing Madden, and they were playing for the Bills. And I said, why are you playing for the Bills?

Because they got Josh Allen, and he can do stuff that no one else can. And that's just like Carson Beck. They just go back and forth about their players and that. Hey, you should tell them on Thursday. You should say, hey, I got an idea. I know you got people you bounce ideas off of. I got an idea. Let me be one for you.

Hey, because what Kirby did was be loved by everybody. Everyone was talking about it. Rat poison. You can have a say. Yeah, that's what he said. I heard what he was saying. He's spitting the rat poison. In this sense, he is the rat poison.

I appreciate that the SEC championship is Georgia and Alabama, and I appreciate that it's Kirby Smart and Saban, especially if you go all the way back to last national championship when David Pollak, who I am a massive fan of, one of the greatest bulldogs of all time, if not the greatest Georgia bulldog of all time, said right in front of Saban, like, yeah, this is Georgia's daddy now, pretty much, is what he said in front of Saban, and they zoomed in is Georgia's daddy now, pretty much, is what he said in front of Saban.

And they zoomed in on Saban's face and they're like, look at this. And now here we are, you know, in a definite college football playoff spot on the line. And if Georgia was to lose this, not saying that's going to happen, but it's college football. Literally anything can happen at any moment. It's like if Georgia loses, they're not going to be in a college football playoff all of a sudden

because they lost one game. It was to Alabama in the SEC championship. And they're going to leave the back-to-back national. So the back-to-back national champions, there's going to be another team with one loss in the college football playoffs. But the back-to-back national champions with one loss aren't going to get in. Boy, I know the Georgia fans can get loud, okay, because they have certainly done that to me in person and on the

internet very very much so could you fathom that decision being made by this there's fucking chaos around like aaron said i want chaos like there's a chance that it could happen now chalk can go through and everything can get figured out and the florida state conversation is going to be the one that's going to piss everybody off but if a couple other things happen you know and there's going to be a lot of very loyal passionate loud people with connections fan bases a lot of them you know everybody just thinks about a couple it's like you don't think texas has you don't think texas has some oh yeah some alumni they're pretty loud yeah i think they have some pretty loud alumni that will spur up a very, very passionate fan base. If they're left out of this thing, if they go win the Big 12,

with a win over Alabama on their record, it's chaos, bro. College football is fucking insane. It is absolutely insane. It's the best. I cannot wait for this weekend just because of what we'll be able to talk about after. But what happens if Georgia loses and Bama wins, obviously, and Bama and Georgia both get in? Who's three, who's four?

Even that competition. Well, then just think about this. Oregon beats Washington. Let's say Oregon beats Washington. So now Oregon buzzsaw right now. Yes. Like if you watch how they've played, they are. So they have one loss.

Texas wins. They have one loss. Let's say Bama beats Georgia. So those two both have one loss. So it's four of one loss let's say bama beats georgia so those two both have one loss so it's four of those with a michigan they're locked in it doesn't matter how georgia would lose though if they lost doesn't matter yeah what's that how the game looks like say somehow georgia lays an egg and doesn't look good does that change compared to if they lose by three for sure i think so everything is like eye test almost in college football.

It is. Which is insane. You've got to win your way into the conversation, and then once you get in the conversation, now it's just like... You've got to lose at the right time. And that's why people have an issue with Florida State because they have done everything that they've needed to do

up to this point, and it's no disrespect to Florida State because it's kind of... It's not their fault. it's what we talk about. It's not their fault that their conference Let me go through their schedule. I did this yesterday because the way that Herbie was talking like, hey, this is going to be a situation.

Obviously, they got Louisville. Braum and the boys. We'll see how it goes in the ACC championship. They beat Florida 24-15 with backup in Florida. Rivalry. In a rivalry game. That's a big time win. They beat Florida 24-15 with backup. In Florida. In a rivalry game. That's a big time win. They beat North Alabama. That's a school. They beat Miami.

Big name. Miami's still a good win though. Florida State-Miami rivalry game, but they beat Miami. Miami is obviously not ranked. They beat Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's not ranked. Wake Forest, not ranked. Duke, currently not ranked. But they had a good time.

Syracuse. Just fired their coach. Virginia Tech. Bowl eligible. Beat Clemson in overtime. Clemson, big name. Boston College, close one. That's a good team. 31-29. That's a tough football team. That was a red bandana game. Boston College, close one

That's a good team 31-29 That's a tough football team That was a red bandana game Yeah, it's different there Southern Miss, they beat Southern Miss But they beat LSU here LSU now three losses

Obviously it's a big part of the conversation That's why Jayden Daniels might not be able to win the Heisman But they did beat LSU first game of the year So that's a big win And they scheduled that game Which which is a big deal. Which we appreciate. Yep. They wanted a big game to start this entire thing.

But it's like you go through that, even Florida State fans, you see a lot of team names that aren't good at football in there. And that's going to get held against them when they're talking about other teams. Now, how many do the other team have, and what angle do you carry the LSU one? Miami's a rivalry game. Obviously, Florida ain't Florida. Those things are bad, though. How high is Louisville?

It's hard to kind of get in there. How high is Louisville? So, Louisville's 15th right now. They had a chance of going to run. Then they lost to Virginia? No. Pitt. Yeah, they lost to Pitt, which, hey, Pitt will break some hearts.

Yeah. And Chris Bickle was there for that game. We don't know if that is true or not. No, I don't. Chris Bickle, head coach. Chris Bickle, University of Pittsburgh, class of 93. 97. All right, 97.

Head coach. Right. Of the Pittsburgh Panthers. What a title. How much did that guy pay for that? $20 million. Got to pay $20 million. So that allegedly, like, anytime we talk about, what's old buddy's full name there?

Pat Nardufus. I mean, Narduzzi. All right. Nice. Classic. Classic. Just because the way he looks. He's a hardworking guy.

And you do that. Anyways, yeah, you're supposed to say Chris Bickle, University of Pittsburgh class of 1997 head coach Pat Narduzzi of the Pittsburgh Panthers. He named the title of the head coach. Sick. So like the head coaching title is no longer just head coach Pat Narduzzi. It is that entire thing. Paid $20 million

for that. $20 million. Well spent. Have you ever heard that? I've seen coordinators have names. I've seen coordinators have names. Say the Billy Buttcheeks Offensive Operational Coordinator. These weird names I've seen on name tags of offices. That sounds like a troll job. Yeah, Billy Buttcheeks was the name.

It wasn't really Billy Buttcheeks, obviously. Okay, Tim Johnson's Offensive Coordinator. That doesn't sound real either. Tim Big Johnson's Offensive Coordinator? Yeah. It's real, guys. That doesn't sound real either. Tim, Big Johnson offensive coordinator. Yeah. It's real, guys. That was awesome, though. I do appreciate them finding ways to get NIL money in. Yeah. What do you need? I don't know. What do you want?

Give me the head coaching title. I want you to say my fucking name every time you say the head coach's name. And that I graduated. This is best class. 98? Solved. 96. Bullshit.

97. Perfect. Right in there. College football has been a lot of fun to be a part of. Just would like that to know. The Pitt football program has received a historic $20 million gift from alumnus Chris Bickle, the largest single donation in Pitt athletics history. Pitt's head coaching position will be permanently named the Chris Bickle 97 head football coach.

Hell yeah. Yes. This guy gave us more money than yeah. He's the fucking head coach. Even if he's not the head coach. Where do you make his money? Chris Bickle, we don't ask those questions in Pittsburgh. See, that's what we're talking about with HOAs. Don't want to know. Don't care. Alright, I think

the only thing we have to really address today is that Sports Illustrated has responded. Yes, they have. You know, we had ourselves quite a time as we learned about Sora Tanaka, Drew Ortiz. We had a blast yesterday learning about them. Oh, yeah. Super fun.

Blame it on a third party. Sports Illustrated has come out and said today an article was published alleging, okay, that Sports Illustrated published AI-generated articles according to our initial investigation. That's not true. Okay. The articles in question were product reviews and were licensed content from an external third-party company,

Advan Commerce. A number of Advan's e-commerce articles ran on certain arena websites. We continually monitor our partners, and we're in the midst of a review when these allegations were raised. Advan has assured us that all of the articles in question were written and edited by humans. According to Advan, their writers, editors, and researchers create and curate content and follow a policy that involves using both counter-plagiarism and counter-AI software on all content. Really? That's really nice of them. and counter AI software on all content. Really?

That's really nice of them. However, we have learned that Advan had writers use a pen or pseudonym in certain articles to protect authors' privacy actions. We strongly condemn. Okay. Put your name behind it. Okay? Right. And we are removing the content while our internal investigation continues and have

since ended the partnership. Signed, spokesperson for the Arena Group. All right, well, that clears it up. Good to know. Spokesperson, you mean the AI wrote that, and then they said spokesperson? They used an anti-AI content creative technology to make sure that that particular post was not AI.

Sure. And I can appreciate that. You know, someone writing a review and being like, listen, I love this Coleman cooler, but I don't want anyone fucking knowing that it's me saying that. So I need a pseudonym. I can't have people knowing that I gave this Coleman cooler five stars. That cannot happen.

Who's some kid that you hated in high school? Drew. Drew what? Drew Ortiz. Let's put him in there. Make him a ginger. This is awesome. I have no idea what's happening.

To be completely candid, the reason why I enjoyed it so much is just because this raises a real thought that this is what the future could look like. Oh, yeah. Where a company, and we're not saying this happened, but for the sake of it, this is how we took the news that we learned yesterday. We're not saying this happened, but for the sake of it, this is how we took the news that we learned yesterday. Let's say that a company like Sports Illustrated was like, you know, we have no money to start up a content creation website. Boom. We just need to get fake people do this. Like, I think that is what was so awesome yesterday in my mind was like they had a they had a potential problem.

Now they're saying it's not real. I'm just saying the thing that was presented to us. They had a potential problem where the easy answer was fake human. Fucking all of them. Give us the fake humans. Give us this. Boom, boom, boom. It's like, that's going to be the future.

Editing is going to happen. They're talking content creation. I mean, it is fucking insane to think that that's going to be the possibility of what the future looks like. And we said it yesterday, but we need to enjoy these times boys because these things are taking our job they are taking our job and they're gonna be so much better than us they are much so much better never sleeping either i was thinking about the articles that they're writing i'm like these motherfuckers probably coming from the perfect angle perfect angle they know exactly what people are searching for so if you're searching for what they want to hear about boom how. How do they feel? Bang.

If you think, they could really do a good job probably. Oh, yeah. They could do a bad job too. Really craft a narrative. Yeah, if they know what you're looking for, they can send you something that might be full of shit, but they'll read it as gospel. Yeah, well, there's already that happening where people see an article and then they click a button.

It's like, well, here's the condensed version of it. Well, who's picking that? Who's picking the condensed version of what the article is? Because I see some condensed articles on Twitter or X, and they're taking some quotes that I don't think are necessarily as accurate as the article that I'm reading. So who's summarizing it? Who's doing that?

AI? Sounds like it. I hope not. It's already happening. These robots. Just letting you know what's important to hear. Enjoy it, man. Like AJ says,

these are the good old days. Send the robots to communist China. There, I got him. I assume they're there, pal. Good. Send them in as rogue bots, then. Oh, they started with a horse like Treasure War. Yahtzee. Have them hit the Great Wall first. Jeez.

I don't know if our robots are ready for that. Better get them. That statement said nothing, ready for that. We better get them. That statement said nothing, by the way. It said a lot. What are you talking about? So many things. Third party.

They said it was okay. Who's the arena team? They probably bought Sports Illustrated. The arena group. Yeah, it was very carefully worded that the arena group is the publisher of Sports Illustrated. But I don't know if they are the actual owner of SI or if they are just a distribution arm. Are you wearing gloves? Yeah.

What? Yeah, they're back. Oh, no. Is that Big Jay Oakerson? For speed? Alright. What's he wearing fingerless gloves for? Marv from Wet Bandits? Yeah. Sticky finger bandits? I just said that to him.

It's multi-purpose. These are the copper fits. I have poor circulation, so it does increase the blood flow to my hands to keep it warm because it's quite chilly back here. And, you know, number two, a couple slip-ups. Yesterday I wanted to be on my game. I wanted to be nice and tight, running a tight ship back here today. And Nick handles, you should see what's on his plate right now.

It has become a hilarious assortment of things. He's got the ticker, the graphics to pop up, the graphics that are up, and then also all the audio for everybody's microphone inputs and outputs. Same time, happening live during the show. It's usually 14 people's jobs. Yeah, you don't do that for four days. You just kind of get a little relaxed there during Thanksgiving, have a good time.

Oh, fuck, I forgot that this is six people's jobs. Hey, thanks back there with those gloves. Don't need a thank you, just want to be sharp. That's right. Hey, thank you for serving our country. Hey, I can't do that. You're right. Well.

Unfortunately. No, you can't do it. You might be able to handle it. I think it can But it ain't gonna wear those gloves No Boom AI ain't never gonna wear those gloves

Don't need them I hope you're happy too It's poor circulation here You just think everything's funny games Laughing I think I have poor circulation too I'll probably go to Walgreens and buy a set What if we all just walked around

With fucking coffee figures That'd be pretty sick Cut off We'd feel so good. So cool, dude. Alright, I'm going to start on Friday down there in Atlanta. I'm going to be sitting there. I think we're getting some live guests. They're going to walk up. I'm going to have a tank top on and there's copper.

Come on in. Good to see you down here in the south. We should all wear those. Never mention them, though. You're talking about Radio Row. Super Bowl, we should all have those i i think we're back in there i think i'm not 100 sure i do not know if it's been confirmed i'm we're starting to plan super bowl week and for those right oh what's that pal vegas yeah for those that don't know super bowl pretty big week for the old program pretty big week because basically everybody we talked to throughout the entire year is all out there yep and uh i really love it i really have enjoyed it it's good for

we all get a get to kind of get out of the office and live we live yeah last year played pickleball so fun a lot of pickleball whole time that's where it started six seven hours a night of pickleball yeah yeah what we have done without that court in the backyard? I do not know. I haven't thought about it much because every time I think about it, I go, that would have been terrible if we didn't. We don't go to events. Here's the thing.

Most people go to Super Bowl events. That's the big deal. Parties every night. We don't do any of that. We literally have never really. It's awesome. Honestly, I love it. It's a great athlete. It's the complete opposite of everybody. And then whenever we go into Radio Row or we go do any media thing,

they're like, have you had maximum last night? We're like, pickleball. Yeah, we played pickleball for eight hours. Can't wait to go back and keep playing. Yeah, we got to do three hours a year. And then we get a chance to get right back on that pickleball court. So we're starting to plan it now. Vegas is interesting. You know, because where everything's going to be,

it's going to be, I think there's going to be a lot of, yeah, I'm not 100% sure how dialed in and focused everything is, but I can't wait to get out there. F1 ruined the whole place, didn't they? Didn't they tear the whole place up to do the F1 track? Well, you tell us, Darius, because who won this last weekend in Abu Dhabi? Yeah. Hold on, should you guess first?

Yeah, I got it. Vanderstoppen. That's who it was. Maxim. Hold on. Should you guess first? Yeah, I got it. Vanderstopping. That's who it was. Maximum Vanderstopping. Is that it? Who wins every week. Yep. Oh, okay.

Put a cap on the most dominant Formula One season ever. So not great for new fans, but I don't know. I for one appreciate dominance. At what point are you going to tell the truth? Come on. That's the truth. Tell the truth. Tell the truth. Tell the truth. You like the reality show. truth. Tell the truth. Tell the truth.

You like the reality show. And that's fine. And that's cool. Yeah. I like Squid Games. I'm watching Squid Games right now. Oh, is that good still? I like, what's that?

Is that still good? Yeah, the real one. Yeah, yeah, with the real people? Yeah. Is that still good? I don't know if it's coming from that. Well, it's, I don't know. You know what you signed up for. I'll tell you what, when you're watching it, you think to yourself, I would never sign

up for this. Oh. And then there's actually numerous watching it, you think to yourself, I would never sign up for this. And then there's actually numerous conversations you have where you're like, what all did they tell them before they signed up for this? So I could see how the lawsuits could potentially come, which has probably only driven more viewership for it all. But watching it, I'm enjoying watching this thing. I'm enjoying watching this. A couple characters in there, characters in there.

Don't want to be friends with anybody on that show. But. I'm enjoying watching this. A couple characters in there, characters in there. Okay. Don't want to be friends with anybody on that show. Fair. But watching it, you certainly develop. So you like the reality. We all do. That's cool. We like stories.

Yeah. We like learning about the people. We love everything. We like humans. We like good. That was the drive to survive. Yes. I actually stopped watching the reality show once I started watching the real shit.

Real shit is way better. D-Bone. Is it a one-lane track, D-Butt? No. You can go three, four wide. You got a lot of passes. Look, the only motherfucker that wasn't getting passes here was Max Verstappen. We were talking about Gs. Somebody mentioned Gs. So his car's just too fast? Super G.

Charles the Player pulled seven Gs going into his turn. No, he didn't. Seven. See, that's just not true. Yeah. Look it up. I'm he didn't. Seven. See, that's just not a car. Yeah. Look it up. I'm going to ask the Blue Angels what they're pulling. Okay, and then we'll see what I believe. Well, I think that is.

I mean, these guys, shit is close. I respect the racing is happening. I expect, I'm sorry. I respect that a lot of fast cars are happening. It's racing. Pinnacle. They're not racing lot of fast cars are happening. It's racing. Pinnacle. They're not racing. I can't do it.

Pinnacle. Maybe I haven't watched the right race. Yeah, you watched the Super Bowl of F1. That's not the one to watch. Monaco, yeah. Don't watch the Super Bowl. Yeah, makes sense. This is the worst one, they said. Because the streets are too small and the cars are too big.

Boom. So they can't make any maneuvering. So it's just time trials. So when you do cruising to USA, whenever you have that, and it says, do you want to do time trial or do you want to actually race with people? I've never actually done the time trial. I've always done the race.

F1 is like, give me the time trial as fast as possible. Couldn't wait, I think. Right? Is that what F1 is? A Saturday. Qualifying. Qualies. We love qualies. Qualies. It's entertaining. So you're still all in on this? All in.

All right, well, I'm proud of you. I mean, it wasn't competitive this year, and obviously that sucks in any sport. But you got next year. You know, you got it. And this thing about Red Bull, you got a great fucking driver. You obviously got the fastest car, but the fucking strategy every week, the pit stops, the this, the that. It's always on point.

Lewis Hamilton came in ninth down there. What's he doing? He's messing around? He's not going to let it go. Mercedes, they can't wait to get rid of this car and move on. Oh, Mercedes had a bad car. Oh, yeah. Terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible car this year.

Who makes Red Bull's car? Red Bull. They got a Honda motor. It's a Honda? How the fuck are these people letting Red Bull win? I mean, we got Mercedes, McLaren, and you're going to let a fucking energy drink come in and be the most dominant thing? Aston Martin?

That's an issue. It's Adrian Newey. Their engineer is... Who is it? Adrian Newey. Who the fuck is that? He's the guy. Hannah.

Hannah. The young lady, Hannah, is the head of their strategy. She's a dog. They brought on Oracle this past few years, and Oracle allows them to run like 25% more simulations. That's what goes into it. Wow. When are they going to put the guns on the cars?

No, let's not turn it into. Death race. No, let's not do that. Do they ever crash, D-Butt? Oh, yeah. Into each other or into wall? Both. And the crashes obviously are scary.

The sport has got much, much safer. Years ago, like, drivers used to die every year. Yeah, yeah. It was crazy. Why don't you want death rates? What, with guns? Yeah. Because did you hear what Vanderstoppen's going through here in the back?

Oracle's doing 25 more simulations. So he's not going through anything is what it sounds like. You're shooting guns? Yeah. What's your problem? I mean, you can throw on bulletproof glass and everything. Oh, carbon fiber. Yeah, let's just make this a little entertaining.

I will get into it next year. Throw a bunch of banana peels on the tracks. Yes. Boom. Red shells. Boom. Every car gets two red shells. Right. Yeah. So maybe have something that you click a button and oil goes out the back like in James Bond. Or Italians racing.

Mario Luigi he's talking about. Who's the Mario Luigi that we need to pick? Can we put that standing back? Don't say Versteeg. Who's somebody that like not Louis Hamilton because we know Louis and not Vander Staal? Who's Sunoda? So is this the position they all started in and finished? No.

Absolutely not. Hulkenberg? Who's Hulkenberg? We're scrolling way too far down. Logan Sargent? We got a guy? Logan Sargent, one American we got on the grid. I'm sorry, let's find the American. Let's go back down to the bottom. He's just a young boy.

What's his name? Logan Sargent. Oh, look how cool he looks. His car is just slower. Fort Lauderdale, Florida. His car is slower. Let's read about him. One of three rookies who made their Formula One debut in 2023.

Logan Sargent lined up with the Williams Racing Team. The latest in an acclaimed lineage of drivers to have earned an F1 race seat with the Story British team. Ew. It's driver development. Sargent replaced Nicholas Latifi, huh, and was paired with Alex Elbon and Williams. They got rid of Latifi? He was the fastest Paisan on four wheels.

That's absolutely stop. What's the minor leagues, D-Butt? Is there a minor league circuit? Formula 2. F2. I bet that must be so bad. So miserable. Oh, shit.

Are you kidding me? Same cars? And Indy cars. Probably the other Farmers League. Whoa. Take that back, D-Butt. You son of a bitch. I think F2 cars are a little smaller.

But Lando, Oscar Piazzi was another rookie this year with McLaren. Pistorius, his brother. He's out. He got out. He's out? He's out of prison? What? Get out of South America.

I think December something. 27th, maybe. Oh, okay. Self-defense. I think they put his ankle minor on. Good question. They shoot it into his nose. I think it's a wrist.

They should attach just two F1 wheels to his legs and let him race in the next year. Could you imagine? He's down there in South Florida too, right? Exactly. Why not? Jesus. He'd be moving. So what is next for old Tink Tink?

What do you think? Think. What do you think happens here? You know what I mean? What do we think goes on? Is he going to go on a speaking tour, you think? Like, don't be like me. Everybody wants to come back.

Who's the lady Tony loves that killed her kid? Casey Anthony. Yeah, he should partner up with Casey Anthony, do a podcast. Tony loves her. I don't know. That was a long time ago we were talking about that. Tony's not married with a kid. I don't know if he's still married.

It's come up a couple times. What will Oscar Pistorius be doing one year from now? Hopefully nothing near me. Probably working with Billy McFarlane from the Fyre Fest. Something's going on there. I've seen him working at Angles. Yeah, they're doing another Fyre Fest. He's hustling.

They're doing a Fyre Fest? I'm pretty sure. Mitt tried to get tickets. Yeah, Mitt was trying to get tickets. Dead serious. DM Billy McFarlane. He's like, I fucking need in right now. Tell me what I can do.

I don't know if Billy McFarlane ever got back. Send it to your deposit, Mitch. I actually have. Mitch, send in that screenshot. Oh, please. Fire Festival 2 tickets are on sale now. If you're interested in lighting money on fire, jump on. Whoa.

Whoa, John. Sign me up. What is this? What company wrote that? Just so we know who. That's Rolling Stone. Okay. Oh, incredible.

Okay. Incredible source. Just so we know who's killing old Billy. I followed him immediately upon him getting out of jail because he was telling companies that he could give them $50 million worth of exposure in 24 hours. That's right. Who wouldn't want that? Look what I did with Fyre Fest.

Go ahead and put that back up there. Fyre Festival 2 tickets are on sale now. Okay, can we go? You see where it started, though? What's that? It starts with, this all started during a seven-day stint. Seven-month stint. Excuse me, in solitary confinement.

Everyone's favorite grilled cheese salesman. Oh, boy. That was a bad meal. Yeah. That he cheese salesman. Oh, boy. That was a bad meal that he gave those people. That was a cool thing to learn about for a while. You know what? This next one, though, Mitt, it's going to be good. It's going to be good, Mitt. After that, the prices will steadily rise.

Here's Mitt to Billy McFarlane. Billy, let's go, dude. I need to get in the fire. Let's fucking go, says Billy. First batch of GA start $ Billy, let's go, dude. I need to get in the fire. Let's fucking go, says Billy. First batch of GA. Start $1,000 and go up as we sell. Live with us. Live is what?

Live with us is by request. What? Live with us. You can stay with Billy? I'm all about it, brother. How many general admission? Uno. Boom.

Roger, what's your number? Team, we'll call for next steps. All right, Billy McFarland selling one ticket at a time. Wait, what's below? Because there's an arrow in the bottom right corner. That continues. Matt, I'm okay with you not telling me how this ends. Did you pay for the VIP section, Matt?

Come on. No, Matt gave him his banking information. Social security number. Social security, yeah, everything. Live with us, is that what it said? You pay extra. Yeah, you pay extra, you probably get a bunk with him. Man.

It's probably a bunch of celebs. Him, OBJ, I'm sure Ja Rule is probably going to be there too. Biebs. Biebs is part of that whole thing. He'd probably perform. Hey, there was, well, that's what Fyre Fest was. You don't remember what it was? Yeah.

Did you almost go to Fyre Fest? Absolutely not. I remember watching them. I remember a guy talking about how you had to get that water. Yep. Who was it? Green Day?

Oh, boy. That was... Whoa, boy. At all costs. That guy's a soldier for the cause. He'll be there, too. Billy McFarlane better try to find him. Yep.

Stat anytime he's trying to do anything. Good luck with Fyre Fest too, Bill. Can't wait to hear about it. Go get him, man. How about Ja Rule? What a quote. It's not fraud. It's not fraud. It's false advertising.

He's right. And the way they edited that to echo through the room. Just fantastic. Ja Rule was there every step of the way. He was. He got conned, too. I think is what he's saying.

Yeah. You know how much fun I was looking to have? You see what I'm eating fucking cheese sandwich. Ja Rule wasn't happy either. You can tell by his reaction to that, AJ. I mean, I watched both the documentaries. He went and hung out with Bill down in the Bahamas a few times before. I think just from watching the little clips that they have of them together,

you can notice something might be up with this guy. This might not be completely legit. Are you talking about Billy McFarlane? Yeah, I'm just saying once you get there and you're like, okay, this sounds awesome, and he has nothing set up and nothing planned, and this guy just wants to smoke cigars and get boozed up down here when we're a month away from putting on a 5 000 person festival yeah but you're talking too reasonable come on hawk we're smoking cigars we're having a good time to pay everybody back i heard

him talk on a podcast somewhere he's trying to pay everybody back down in the bahamas and all this stuff the people that he'd screwed out of money yeah it's just a thousand bucks he got a thousand for me yeah boom he got a thousand for me at least i don't know what to live with us is Yeah, it's just $1,000. He got $1,000 from Mitt. Yeah. Boom. He got $1,000 from Mitt. At least. I don't know what to live with us is. He said $7,999. Is that what I saw on that thing? I believe so.

That's for the premier. Mitt, you don't need the $8,000 ticket. Yeah, come on, Mitt. Maybe you do. You're going to go all in. Mitt needs to replace the bar. I mean, if Mitt goes, I might pay for it. If Mitt will actually commit to going to this, I might pay for it.

You'll give him the $8,000 one? Yeah, if Mitt, if it happens and there's a fire fest too and Mitt documents it, yes, I'll pay for his ticket. Well, I don't know if he's just going to be able to make content. Who knows? Pay $8,000. Well, I mean, just a little bit. Just a little bit. Just, you know, selfie vid every once in a while with he and Billy. Mitt! Mitt!

But we need him to have the best accommodations, though. Definitely. Like, he needs to be living with us, whatever that means. Yeah, he needs to be part of the crew. You guys big festival guys? Ever been to a music festival? Nope. No.

Not one. People that I know have gone and had good times. I went to a hippie festival in West Virginia. I went one time. Hippie festival in West Virginia where people were sleeping at. I think it's called the All Good Festival or something. I forget what it was. Didn't make it through the night.

I was like, I'm out of here. People were tripping bowls. They were having a good time. I guess there's festivals people really get after. Oh, yeah. South by Southwest. Yep. There's a big one.

What's the one in Bonnaroo? Bonnaroo. What's the one in Cali? What's the one in Cali? Burning Man. Burning Man. Coachella. Coachella, yeah.

Stagecoach. Stagecoach. I've been there. I'd like to go to one of the EDM situations, one of like Tomorrowland or those things would be cool for a night. Tomorrowland looks nuts. Yeah, it does feel like you actually go to a different world in those things. I watch them on YouTube and I feel like I'm in a different world.

Yeah. I appreciate how much just carefree it appears. Yeah. As if there's zero worries. No, none. We ain't got shit to worry about out here. And they just live out there. Yep.

So one day we hope to experience that. I hope to experience that. Tomorrow ends in a small town in Belgium. And they live for it, the entire town. Or at least, we're on the street. You know what? I want to stop by Oktoberfest over there in Germany one time. That'd be very good.

I've heard that is wild. Mm-hmm. I heard they put a lot of fake stuff out there. Yep. So it's impossible to find the real stuff. Correct. Yeah, but no matter what, they're doing it off dogs. They don't give a fuck what it is.

We're talking about cocaine because that's what we've seen videos from the internet over there. They put fake coke out there? Yeah. So that they can... No, but it's not like setting people up with fake coke. No, it's like, hey, do that so that we can rip a rail off this guy's erect penis and no one's going to know what's going on. Yeah, it's like a fake. You know Inside Man, the bank robbing movie with Denzel?

Yeah. You know how they all come out dressed the same? Correct. Okay, and it's impossible to figure out which one's the real one? Mm-hmm. That's what they did with the cocaine at Oktoberfest. Everybody's wearing the same hoodie. Everybody's coming out the same.

All the powder looks the same. And then everybody knows who the real one is except for the same. All the powder looks the same. And then everybody knows who the real one is except for the cops so nobody gets busted. That part was fake though, right? No, no, no. There are videos out there

of that happening. You're talking about throwing cocaine off of dongs? Yeah, that's... That's it. It's not talking about that. Weren't you born over there, Butts? Yeah, aren't you from Germany?

You know all about it. You never heard of Butts. You're taking the nickname D-Butts. You know all about it. You've never heard of Buckle. Take it to the nickname D-Butts. His name's Darius Butler. That's the other reason. More than one reason.

I thought Oktoberfest was beer, not snorting coke off a dong. I guess it's pretty wild over there. I don't know. This is just one video we've seen. There's people in Germany right now who are probably like, that is not what Oktoberfest is. I'm just telling you what the videos that we have seen from Oktoberfest, what has happened.

What would you do if you walked in the bathroom and you saw that happen? Would you go take a leak? Oktoberfest with beer? Yeah, I'm going to piss my pants. The line starts behind me. I'm going to have to. There's a price to pay to get in. That's crazy what you guys are doing in here. Work that thing up, pal.

Then we'll let you go to the bathroom. You didn't have to go to the bathroom either. People were doing it in broad daylight by picnic benches. Yeah, right in the middle of the whole thing. That's the video we saw. Oh, and the fake coke throws them off so we can still do lines off of dongs because it might be fake coke.

I believe it's how they... I get it. I get it. You're a German. Hawk. You get it. I'm going to talk to my cousin. Your first name is Aaron. We should go out there, by the way.

That is not his first name. Just so everybody knows, his name is Aaron. Aaron. Double A. Got a reference today. That was awesome. All right. As we wrap this thing up on this glorious Tuesday, I would like to get to Oktoberfest even though you guys all tried to ruin it.

I'd love to. I still want to go. Big time. I'll go. I'd go tomorrow if you said let's go. All right. I think we should do it. I think it'd be a good time.

Especially with the NFL over there. They should schedule one in the middle of it. In the middle during Oktoberfest. Yeah. I'm sure that Munich would really be appreciative of having to host Oktoberfest and the NFL. A bunch of asswipe Americans coming over and ruining their... Yeah, that'd be very good.

Hey, let us ruin your entire thing you got going over in a beautiful place. Oh, yeah. Germany's very nice. The people are incredibly kind to me. Very nice of them. They have to be. Well, it did feel like that's how they felt.

Yep. Still nice. Which we've talked about before, which is awesome. Yeah. It was too nice of them. Well, they have to be. Well, it did feel like that's how they felt. Yep. Still nice. Which we've talked about before, which is awesome. Yeah. It was too nice of them. I'm like, whoa, everybody's so incredibly kind to me. I thank you. Ireland, boy, they hated me.

I've never seen a group of people hate somebody more than they hated me over there. Were they calling you Kaffee? No. No, they were calling me just... Just Pat? Just Yank. Oh, okay. A lot of dumb Yank. Okay. Kaffee is what Swagoo calls me just Pat. Just Yank. A lot of dumb Yank.

Kofi is what Swagoo calls me. Correct. Love that one. That's the first time I've heard that too. First? My whole life, yeah. Yeah, right. You've never said it. Did you ever say it? Maybe. Check the tapes. You never said it.

I mean, I know a couple MCs and we just call them the C after. Cacaffrey. I like it. Yeah. Swaggy swore yesterday, too, on our show. He did. He said, fuck.

He did. He went there. How about him just demolishing that barbecue, though, right in the middle of the show? I love that. That was awesome. No idea, too. That was sweet. Yeah, he's just having a good time.

Can't hear nothing. You know stadiums, too? Sometimes the tech doesn't work necessarily as great. I can't see barbecue. Legit. Legit. Legit. They're the real deal. It was always the after game.

The Gates. I think Gates barbecue was the one. I think they were the most consistent. I think Kansas City's barbecue was always the most consistent. Eat the most places. You know, the South got a lot of places that have barbecue. Oh, yeah. This college game day shit, we're getting meat from every town we go to.

It's very delightful. Ann Arbor turkey was cooked you know not great no no just when they cooked it you know because they're bringing it freezing cold out onto a set right it's 10 30 so when do they finish you know because you say you're supposed to be done at a certain time i don't think the turkey got its proper representation on the table up there at ann arbor because it was done cooked perfectly but it was certainly good chill because it had been outside for so long right so it was more like a deli meat turkey okay yeah you know what I mean it was good it was very good it was very and in some of those places it's like

they got the timing of it perfect they got it hot for us and it's like we're eating these wings or these uh steaks or chops from like immediately as it would be at the restaurant. In some places, they finish 30-40 minutes ago, been outside for a little bit sitting there. All the food's great. I think Kansas City's barbecue throughout my life has been the most consistent every time I go out there. They're very good. Why is it? Why do some places do the barbecue

and known for it and some places just aren't? I don't know. Is it just slaughtered table quicker because it's in Kansas City? I don't know. AJ, you know any of quicker because it's in Kansas City? I don't know. AJ, you know any of that? Doesn't each place have their own style, like their rub or their sauce? Some have wet ribs. Some have dry ribs.

Everyone has their own style. What's Pittsburgh then? Sandwiches? Which is the sandwich place? You've heard of Pittsburgh, your steak? Chopper, my father-in-law, tells them that Pittsburgh is steak, which means crispy, burnt outside, but not burnt inside. Yeah, I love that.

We just want to see on the outside good, and on the inside, give us the real stuff. You know what I mean? But I think sandwiches, we're known for sandwiches. Yeah, sandwiches. Pierogies. Pierogies, yeah. There it is. Pierogies are delightful. Those are so good. They're good in Georgia, too. Yeah, they were. Kirk Herbst, you got pierogies for the first time. What is going on

in Centerville? You guys don't have any pierogies in Ohio? I never heard of them until I played in the Big 33 game. First time I was made aware. So good. They're delightful. You guys don't have any pierogies in Ohio? I never heard of them until I played in the Big 33 game. First time I was made aware. So good. They're delightful. You guys have them in Iowa? No, not really. Not a lot of Polish people in Iowa. Probably why you guys are going to lose to Michigan this weekend. I don't know if I'd go that far. What do you think the final score is?

As we said right here on Tuesday, just four days away from Iowa's potential last Big Ten championship appearance for some time. It's going to take a while to catch up to the boys in Ohio State and Michigan, let alone. I don't know. Okay. No, what do you predict the score to be?

Realistically? Yeah, let's go. Let's give it a Tuesday. So we got a lot of time to change our mind. You got a lot of time to change your mind. 14-10 Iowa. Let's go. Boom.

Let's go. Haw. Let's go. Hawkeyes are Big Ten champs. Hawkeyes are Big Ten champs. For real though, Ty, is Iowa's defense good enough to limit what Michigan does offensively? I think so, but their offense, like, can their defense, can any defense

be okay with being on the field for fucking 50 minutes and continually do it over and over and over and over and over again? They're going to have to score at least one or two defensive slash special teams touchdowns to really be in it. I guess Harbaugh's back.

They're going to hand that ball off potentially. Because if you don't turn the ball over, you shouldn't. They can run the hell out of it. They can. And they're very good at running a rock. They can. But Iowa's run defense is good. They're stout. All right.

14-10. I'm interested to watch. As we sit right now, Iowa 14-10, baby. Let's go, Hawkeyes! Oh, yeah. D-Butt found this video. This is awesome. You know, mic'd up creates a lot of moments

that we can judge and see how people really feel behind, you know, the camera. Like whenever we're not watching on Sundays, when we're not hearing the interviews, what are people actually like? And although it is picked and chosen or what they put out, you can still learn through it, either about the person that's mic'd up or the person they're talking about. Listen to Brandon Graham talking to the Buffalo Bills offensive line

whenever they are kicking the field goal in overtime. This is a field goal in overtime, and this is what Brandon Graham is saying to the Buffalo Bills while the play is happening. We about to win this. You must don't know Jalen Hurts like I know Jalen Hurts. You must don't know Jalen Hurst like I know him. In the middle of the play, obviously just full conversation.

You must not know Jalen Hurst. And then I like the fact that they posted, the Eagles posted, they were like, football interrupted this entire thing. And then it's like, but listen to that, run it one more time. The belief in your guy, that is something that you cannot, you hope to bottle and have forever and jaylen i hope he heard this and watched this and had a great sense of pride and jaylen's parents about who he is and how his teammates feel about him this is for the bills

take the lead in overtime before the ball is even snapped we about to win it you must don't know jaylen hurts like i know you must don't know Jalen Hurts like I know Jalen Hurts. You must don't know Jalen Hurts like I know him. AJ, how often is that happening at the line of scrimmage? Before the ball's snapped, oh, mid-sentence, ball's snapped, and then we continue it afterwards. Yeah, I don't know if I've been part of many situations like that, but I absolutely love it.

Also, I think it might have a little bit of an effect on the other team as well. It's not going to put you in a funk, but you're probably like, man, these guys really believe in this dude. Man, this is kind of uphill sledding for us, I guess. Imagine Buddy sitting on the bench while Jalen's doing what Jalen's doing. He's like, Brandon Graham was telling me this. He told me. For real. He was like, you don't know Jalen? When?

When? Like, as we were doing the field goal. When? Like, actually. We were face-to-face to face as the ball he hit me no way like that whole reenactment of that situation on the other side wish i was there wish i was there for it as well and he doesn't even turn around like jordan davis turns around to see if the field goal goes through and brandon graham is just talking shit don't care

not enough you are gonna lose and then j Jalen would go on to do this. Just kind of walk right down the field. Put a run right here, by the way. Great cutback. Great vision. Good speed. Got good speed. Yeah, they got a lot of speed. And then there's a Brandon Graham quote from him being mic'd up on the sideline for that

play, where he goes, oh, they're giving it to one. And there is a run. Oh, this is a touchdown. Brandon Graham actually says from looking at the Jumbotron, like as the play is developing, he's like, here we go. We just did it. Love Brandon Graham. Love Jalen Hurts. Love Sirianni. Love Philadelphia

as a home field advantage. Absolutely love the Niners this week. You know, and it makes no sense. It is Tuesday, though. That's a great feeling to have. It's terrible being on the flip side. We've all been fortunate enough to play with great quarterbacks. When you know your offense, your guys going out there, oh, they got to drive to get a win or a field goal.

Oh, we're good. We got Tom, Aaron. Yeah, we'll be all right. We're good. This ain't enough, buddy. We're good. But on the other side, you're saying whenever you don't have the guy. I've run out of some of them tunnels where we got certain guys starting.

It's like, well, if we don't score twice, it's going to be a run. Who, Hasselbeck? No. No, no. He's played for numerous teams. Please, let's have a little bit of respect. Did you see the Jalen Hurts, Jason Kelsey reaction to the Elliott field goal? Yeah.

That was awesome. Just dogs. So locked in. Jalen Hurts having no reaction to Jake Elliott hitting a 59-yarder. I guess that's just what Jalen Hurts is. And in the interview afterwards, he said, we just had to make it entertaining or something like that. Like pissed about what they did.

And then Jason Kelsey doing the same exact thing pretty much. Oh, okay. And then just put his helmet on. They're all. I love the Eagles. It sucks that I am not a fan of the Eagles. That's how it feels right now because it's so entertaining.

Well, my mother is from Philly, but I would never. That's more than enough for some people. Great reason. Get another team. Nope, I won't do that. You're a good man. I have no qualms with the Eagles winning the Super Bowl. None.

This year? This year. What about next year after you guys get that number two overall? Well, next year I got bad news because it's going to be the Bill Belichick revenge tour, and I pray to God that it's with New England because whoever gets him, he's going to be fucking pissed. You thought he was gone a couple days ago. Now you're like, maybe he's not.

From what Lombardi just said, it's hard to think about Bill sitting down with Robert Kraft, laying out a plan. He finally has a top three pick. Because in my mind, and this could be completely wrong, Robert Kraft probably just wants a quarterback. Like, hey, we need a guy that's going to be able to get us there. And so he has a top three pick.

Finally, we are not picking 15 plus because all these this draft conversation with bill slowest draft pick in the last 20 years has been 15 so he finally has a top three pick let's see him what he can do and if it doesn't work out this year then okay go and get somebody you know get an offensive mind the other kind of thing i was thinking about too, though, is that if it is commanders like has been talked about, commanders are going to have like a top ten pick. So I don't know if because of that maybe you think about, oh, okay, well, you could have two first top ten picks, but then who wants to come in and coach a team

that you're replacing Bill Belichick? Probably nobody. Yeah, that's tough. That's going to be a tough sell. But having $110 million to build a team in your idea is a good way to start it as well. Marvin Harrison, Caleb Williams, Drake May. You get one of those.

And then what? What did you say in the second round? Jaden Daniels? Well, we were talking about that earlier. I don't think he's going to be there in the second round. No shit. Yeah, but it would be sweet. You look at the quarterbacks.

There are a lot of teams. Like the commanders, it'll be interesting to see what No shit. Yeah, but it'd be sweet. You look at the quarterbacks. There are a lot of teams like the commanders. It'll be interesting to see what they have. I remember everybody. If you have just a hint of potentially being a good NFL quarterback, normally you get hyped out of your mind. Like I'm not saying that everybody gets hyped to be the number one overall pick. If you're like number one or number two, you're going to

get scrutinized a lot. But if you're like not, there's going to be people that are going to be like, you can be an NFL quarterback. And then boom, boom, the hype machine kind of builds them all the way up into the top 20. Bo Nix will be interesting because I think he's going to be the one who,

hey, if he wins the Heisman, this guy won the Heisman, look at his stats, look at it. He'll probably be unbelievable at the combine and then him, Penix. There might be five or six quarterbacks in the top 20 this year. And it is a super we-need-a-quarterback league. And the owners that are making these decisions know that. Like Tepper, the main thing he was talking about today was,

we're going to get C.J. Stroud. Love Bryce Young. Didn't think we were going to be able to get Bryce Young. Bryce Young was going to be number one. We were supposed to move to number two to get C.J. Stroud. That was the last I heard. That was my thought. My understanding was we were going to number two

because the Texans were going to trade with the Bears for one to two, and then we were going to trade with the Bears, who are now at two, for them to come to nine. That was my expectation. And we were going to take C.J. Stroud because Bryce Young was everybody's number one. I am very thankful we got Bryce Young is what he said. He did that today a couple different times.

And let me once again say, we all unanimously had Bryce Young at number one. All that being said, I also thought we were number two. We were going to get C.J. Stroud, though. That was weird. Because he's sitting there watching what's going on in Houston. This guy's fucking good. That was supposed to be us. That was supposed to be us.

They were supposed to be trailing it. I don't know if he's talking to his team. I don't know if he's talking to the fans. I don't know if he's just doing a therapy session at the press conference. But I'll tell you what. I don't know when Tepper's going to win the NFL. But when when he does i'm excited for his press conference oh man i want that guy to talk more we need david tepper on a microphone more often yes he's just yeah we you remember we had a trade for number two overall it's like nope we did not know that yeah well then bears and

texas did this whole thing i'm like yes tepper we need you on the microphone more we need you he's been the owner? Six years? Five years? Think about whatever his past life was, making his money, running businesses, and then all of a sudden you're the owner of an NFL football team. That's a lot of stuff you've never dealt with. He's dealing with it for the first time ever. Well, he was a minority owner for the Steelers, wasn't he? Yeah, 2018.

Yeah, but he's not talking to the media, and he's not pulling the trigger on everything. Yeah, he's not the one hiring. What did Lombardi say? He's got too many people giving him ideas he's not pulling the trigger on everything. Yeah, he's not the one hiring. What did Lombardi say? He's got too many people giving him ideas. Yeah, and put the phone down. He's stopped listening to people. It's like, all right, okay, interesting.

Because I assume whenever you see a new owner in there, if you're in the Rolodex of people that could get the owner's number, you probably start sending ideas. Yeah. Because you want to be the hero that gives the good advice. Because if you get good advice, you have a job forever. Get a little steak. Boom, you're happy you're in there. You're working it. You got like 15 people telling

him, well, you know, you take Bryce Young, CJ Straub, Frank Reich. We love this guy. He's good. Think about Easterby. That's like probably how Easterby got to where he is. They throw in a couple little things. Maybe one or two of them are right. Fucking Jack Easterby knows what he's talking about. This guy prayed with us for 45 minutes

last night and then guess what? He told us to drop into a cover two in our fucking way. We picked it off. We did. You heard him. Pick six. Nick Cesario had the headphones. He heard it too. Yeah. That's going well down there. Remember that's how that started for him? Terrible. Yeah.

He was on the headphones, remember? Oh yeah. And we had to say, hey. What the fuck? What was that? Throttling us. And we had to say, hey. The fuck? What was that? Throttling us. What did we talk about? Is this Easterby? Easterby.

Could be. Maybe. We didn't even say China. Where is he now? Well, you did a lot. Yeah, I know. That's what I mean. Easterby is praying.

That's right. Is he with Joe Osteen? Because Joe Osteen had that place in Houston. Oh, yeah. And they wouldn't open the doors. Yeah. Wouldn't let in homeless people. Okay.

How can it remain a nice place if we let people we don't want in here in here? I know. Good question. Homeless people stink like shit. Keep them out. What do you mean? All your donations. We're building this place to be nice.

Okay? It's not meant to be a fucking. It's not a fucking soup kitchen. What do we think this is? That's what happened. Yeah, basically what he said. Yeah. You watch Righteous Gemstones,

it really gives you a window into that world. I think I saw three episodes. I couldn't take it. Good acting. It's great, yeah. What's it called? Righteous Gemstones. Kenny Powers. Mocks. Yep. Okay. Kenny Powers is in it. Yeah. I've seen some of it. Is he like a megachurch? Bingo.

Tim John Goodman, some lady who's funny, and adam driver what's it all fine hbo melissa mccarthy excuse me mom no i love mel mac she is one of my favorite actresses but it is a different lady who i can't she's good quite name her but yeah she is very good in the show the oliphant love that i don't know who that is who the fuck is here that's not yeah he's the other pastor i think that's walton goggins yeah walton goggins jr oh baby billy yeah sounds like great show so it is really good very funny yeah you if you watch three i mean that's enough how much did i get it yeah what's going on a little family dynamic as well yeah oh big time those churches

are real deal business oh yeah yeah they've been running good business for a long time. Long time. Tax-free. Whoa, AJ, that's not a part of it. Tell that to God. It is if you're considered a church, yeah. Are the Amish a church? They get taxed?

That's why they're tax-exempt? Yeah, must be. They work their asses off. There's Amish people watching this right now. Yeah? How? Well, from what I've been. There's all these people watching this right now. Yeah? How? Well, from what I've been told, there's a shed deep in the woods that one of them, either during Rumspringer or another time, sneaks out, finds a white person that is modern or whatever,

and says, there's a shed out here. We need Wi-Fi in there, and we need power in there. We need Wi-Fi in there. Yep. And we need power in there. Now. And we need a fridge in there. And then they go back to work for about a week or two. And then they head back to that shed. And guess what? Full man cave in there. Yep. Nice.

And they're watching NFL Sunday. Mm-hmm. They are having a blast. They get it. The Amish folks, obviously, I don't think this is all the Amish people. But every Amish person I've met, which is everyone that is living a wild lifestyle, I guess, as an Amish person, love ball. They love football.

Football people. Like, love the NFL, yeah. A lot of jerseys around the Amish community. That's awesome. Yeah, pretty crazy. Are there a lot of buy tickets to go to a game? Oh, yeah. I don't know.

Pulling a horse and buggy up to a fucking game would be so sick. I have seen, they'll take buses. They'll bus in. I've flown. Do they? Oh, yeah. For Ron Springer. Last time I went to the zoo. No, they'll ride in a car.

There was like 40 people from an Amish community, but 45 to 60 of them, they bussed in. So the Mennonites are like junior ball, like junior varsity Amish people. Yeah. Okay, so you see them. They do a lot more of this stuff, but they have the costumes still. The Amish folks are the heavy duty. Always. They're heavy duty up there.

They're having others drive them to the zoo? As far as I know, but I wasn't striking up a conversation. Dude, you got to. It is awesome. Zito has gotten a chance to experience one of my conversations with Amish people. You see one of these people out in public, you go talk to them. They haven't had a conversation with somebody like you ever. And then you just start firing off questions.

They're going to feel obligated to be nice to you. And you just learn a lot real quick. That was a bachelor party that was happening over there at Topgolf. I was there. We met that one crew. They were wild, boozing. Boozing. Sick. Boozing. Flipping these

beers upside down. Kid could have been no more than 17 years old. Any black Amish people? I don't think so. There's got to be. I don't think so. I don't know. That's a very white thing to do, though. We don't want power. We don't think so. I don't know. I've never seen one. That's a very white thing to do, though. We don't want power.

We don't want electricity. We don't want internet. Live like it's the 1800s. We want to go out to the land every day. That's very... You don't want to live like it's 1800s. Well, that's... That's kind of...

I think that might be why. Yeah. Good point. Understood. Understood. Maybe that's why. Those Amish fucks, they're out there. Oh, yeah.

They're hard working. Killing the land every single day. Said they could build you a barn in two days. Yeah, we've gotten some quotes from other places. Hey, Amish folks, if you're listening, we need to get your contact again. We lost your card. We've tried to get some quotes for a barn from a couple different places. Way too much.

They don't know what they're doing. They're trying to be like you guys. We need to do business with the Amish again. Could you imagine? We just had fucking a hundred Amish out here. So yeah. Chopper works with them. Chopper has a lot of them on his crew.

My father-in-law. They ride a bus. They, a van will take them. A non Amish person will pick them up and drive them like two hours to the job site. And then they have to leave like at three or four because you got to get back yeah and you don't even have to pay them you just drop them off at like a computer shop and they fucking mines

explode all right let's get out of here they get paid no they don't they make a lot of money yeah the amish folks not the ones in massachusetts are there amish and i don't know i don't think so that doesn't feel like yeah it doesn't feel like a thing. That doesn't feel like a Massachusetts thing. No, yeah. Yeah, maybe they are the broke Amish up there in Massachusetts. Maybe. Because I think all the Amish that we or anybody lives around,

they just got money, all of it. Think about the Amish pies, the Amish goods, the seats, the rocket chairs, the cabinetry. The wicker business. And it's all cash. I went to an Amish furniture store, the most expensive furniture store of all time. What amazing furniture. Quality is high. Very good quality.

Quality is high. Jeb Adab made that that morning. Yep. Fucking guy just made it in his basement. Everything's customizable too. That's the craziest part. Yeah, we can fucking certainly do. There's a gif of Amish people building a house. Oh yeah. It's like a one day thing.

They're awesome. Thanks for watching Amish folks. They don't count for the rating. It's crazy. Anybody talk about that for the demo? We got the Amish people. People that can't even have power. Watch our show. How about that? I'm sure they watch other shows as well. Let's get the fuck out of here. Tomorrow's a big day, boys.

Huge day. Because tomorrow we'll be reacting to the college football playoff ranking. Big deal. As we go into championship weekend. Tomorrow we got some great guests. Oh, yeah. Oh, we got big ones tomorrow. Top tier. I mean, we were talking about it earlier. Cannot wait to see what the general has. I think we have Mike Elko on tomorrow.

Holy shit. I think at 2.30 Eastern time tomorrow. Let's go. We have the brand new coach at Texas A&M down there, Mike Elko. Hell yeah. That's pretty cool. Friend of the program, Mike Elko. He was introduced.

They gave his contract out there and everything. Yeah. Obviously, the last person that was coached there got fired and got paid $76.8 billion. Not a bad gig. Now Mike Elko's in there, and he's got to win a football game. Yeah. Not a bad gig. you're paying somebody 77 million dollars leave think about what they're paying people to come that's gonna be pretty damn good all right that's a big day tomorrow be a friend tell a friend something nice it might change their life goodbye