The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1069 - Coach Us Up Thursday With Adam Schefter, Peyton Manning, Michigan Head Coach Sherrone Moore, Coach Chuck Pagano, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: February 1, 2024

On today’s show, Pat, Coach Chuck Pagano, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about the coaching hires in the NFL being almost complete now as the Washington Commanders have officially hired Dan Quinn to be their new Head Coach, and the Green Bay Packers have hired Boston College Head Coach Jeff Hafley as Defensive Coordinator, plus Chuck gives his breakdown to the Super Bowl and what the keys for both teams winning will be. Joining the show to chat more about what went in to the Commanders hiring Dan Quinn and the Seahawks hiring Mike Macdonald is ESPN Senior NFL Insider, Adam Schefter (6:38-17:25). Next, Hall of Famer, 2x Super Bowl Champion, Super Bowl MVP, 5x MVP, one of the GOAT’s, Peyton Manning joins the show to chat about being the AFC Head Coach for the Pro Bowl Games, what his philosophy is this year and why he’s trying to make the Pro Bowl awesome again, and also his thoughts on this year’s Super Bowl and why he thinks it’s going to be a high scoring affair (21:37-30:18). Later, National Champion, and new Head Coach of the Michigan Wolverines, Sherrone Moore joins the show to chat about taking over as the Head Coach at Michigan, what he’s going to do to replace all the coordinators and coaches leaving with Jim Harbaugh for the NFL, recruiting in the NIL era, the type of players he’s looking for to be Michigan Men, and much more (1:07:21-1:23:28). Make sure you subscribe to YouTube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. Or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this Coach-Em-Up Thursday, February 1st. Rabbit, rabbit, this sports program brought to you by Topgolf starts now! Football is a beautiful thing and football has provided jobs to many. And we're not just talking about players and staff and front office and doctors and trainers and equipment managers, but obviously to those that have an aspiration to lead men and make the most out of a team and have an opportunity to chase a dynasty in a Lombardi forever. Two new coaching hires have taken place since the last time we were live on air on this particular program.

Both the Commanders and the Seahawks have found their new head coaches, and we'll talk about that today. We'll talk to Adam Schefter in about five minutes to see how this Commander's hiring of Dan Quinn, which got announced this morning, came to be. Mike McDonald, Baltimore Ravens DC, is now with the Seattle Seahawks. We'll talk to him in about four minutes to see where he's at. Then we'll talk to Peyton Manning in about 20 minutes, because he's coaching obviously down at the Pro Bowl. He also on the Mount Rushmore of quarterbacks. Alongside, a lot of people say Tom Brady was on Tuesday, Patrick Mahomes who appeared yesterday.

Hopefully, we're able to get Big Joe Montana on tomorrow. The day has obviously been absurd. We'll also have Sharone Moore, new head coach of the Michigan Wolverines, joining us in the second hour. It should be a phenomenal day of conversation because it's not just them, it's not just me,

it's also the talk table at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. Con Man, sweet shirt. Almost a little, you know, stoic shirt you got going on. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if it's stoic. It seems as though they're at the end of a hunt, kind of like we're at the end of the NFL season. You could say a dog and a guy hunting.

But, no, feeling great. I had to do the J.J jj watt mile for the burnley goal this morning so that was a great morning up until about three minutes ago uh everything was going great and then i shot a basketball and absolutely destroyed a uh glass frame over there so there's glass everywhere on the court aside from that i feel great you you are known to be a little bit destructive every once in a while but live by by the sword, die by the sword. We've got a lot of great things with the way you go about doing life, and you'll never miss a shot again.

We understand that with the basketball. And that dog, Will Hunt, on your chest, just like Jeff Halfley, Will Hunt as the new defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers. I think a lot of us, Ty Schmidt, whenever we heard that the Green Bay Packers were hiring the Boston College head coach, we said, oh, Boston College, real powerhouse. That feels like a good play. But then he started doing a little bit of research, and it's like, oh, the Green Bay Packers weren't the only team that were hoping

for Jeff Halfley to return to the NFL and join them. Then we heard clips of Richard Sherman back whenever Halfley was leading the San Francisco 49ers defense, and here's what Richard Sherman had to say about him. Going back to Halfley, now that you've had a full season to work with him, get to know him, how he operates, what has impressed say about him. Going back to Halfley, now you've had a full season to work with him, get to know him, how he operates. What has impressed you about him? His preparation is some of the best I've seen.

You know, I've had some great defensive back coaches, some great defensive coaches, defensive minds, and he's right up there. He's with his preparation and how he breaks down film and how easy and simple he makes the game plan sound and how easy he makes it for guys to understand. He paints a a very vivid picture of of what you're going to see and and it's all about executing like i've i've tried to explain to you guys over and over like they they give us the plays a lot of times a lot of times they prepare us really well and i think the immediate reaction was the shit on the halfley hiring but then as we did more research maybe the packers

got it right here ty you pumped up about this yes Yes, I am excited. Like you said, when you first hear it, because I do remember when Jeff Halfley was the co-DC of Ohio State in 2019, and they went from 50th back up to number one. But it was kind of out of nowhere because the Packers had interviewed six or seven guys, and I think most fans were, you see what's going on in Baltimore. They brought in Baltimore's linebackers coach and D-backs coach and it's like well their defense is so good you maybe want a young guy up and comer to to kind of do this but but then yeah the more you look at it's like halfly is a nfl guy he's he's has plenty of experience in the league you talk about the players who respect him and i mean I was talking to a source last night who basically said.

What did the source sound like? He sounded a bit like this, kind of from the Boston area, who maybe knows Jeff Halfley pretty well. He's a good dude, schematically very respected. But he said that Halfley basically was vetted a couple years ago for a head coaching job in the NFL, and that he thinks if he wouldn't have went this year, then there's a chance that within the next couple years

he was going back to the NFL. And then you see his philosophy. He likes playing press coverage. He's very aggressive. And that's kind of been the knock on the Packers, at least it was with Joe Barry. All the time they're getting in these third and longs, and then you've got cornerbacks playing 15 yards off the ball and teams just marching right down the

field. So it does kind of seem like a complete culture change. So easy to kind of shit on it right away because, yeah, he's the Boston College head coach and it's like maybe there are other candidates in the NFL who are a little bit more established, but I'm very happy with this. Kind of off the beaten path, but I think it's good. Good for you.

Owner of the Packers there. Maybe the defense will be able to hold up its end of the bargain with Jordan Love obviously being a phenomenal young talent who's going to lead them for the next few years. One half of the hammer. Down. Cowboys, Tone Diggs. Obviously, Steelers going through a lot of changes.

Speaking of change, we don't have any change on this particular Thursday. We've got the same legend joining us live on the stage. 36 years in coaching, 18 in college, 18 in the NFL. Coach Chuck Pagano. Hey, Coach. Coach, you're the people's coach. A lot of coaches hiring, getting hired right now. Dan Quinn to the Commanders, Mike McDonald to the Seahawks,

Halfley getting hired. Pretty much all positions have been filled. Is this kind of how you saw it going, or what do you think? Yeah, I mean, once Baltimore lost, youcdonald's name was out there right so they came to see him and as soon as he got on a plane to go to seattle you kind of put two and two together saying this is just a you know 36 years old mike yeah yeah but phenomenal coach i guess i don't know him know of him uh from. Great X and O guy, great mind, great with the guys, great preparation, all the things that, you know, old boy was talking about with Halfley.

But, yeah, that's a good hire for them. And Quinn's proven he's done it, you know. He gets another shot with the commanders. I like that. And, you know, I think Micah's probably excited for Dan. You think Micah Parsons is excited Dan Quinn's getting an opportunity with the Commanders? You know what'll be interesting? When's his contract up?

There are a lot of conversations around Micah Parsons' most recent podcast. Joining us now is a man who probably has the inside scoop on how Dan Quinn ended up being with the Commanders, how McDonald ended up being with Seattle, because last time he joined us, he actually said, like, a lot of people are saying Ben Johnson or Slowick are going to commanders and Dan Quinn's going to Seattle. I would bet that one, if not both of those, is wrong. Now, if he knew something, he chose not to tell us, what's the deal? Ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider for ESPN, Adam Schefter.

Hey, Schefter. Schefter. Gentlemen, what's the deal? Ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider for ESPN, Adam Schefter. Hey, Schefter. Gentlemen, what's going on? We got Coach Throne more on in the second hour. Obviously, the new man in charge of Michigan. We can't wait to chat with him. We will certainly mention you and all the other prestigious alumni who are excited about where Michigan football is. But let's talk about Dan Quinn to the commanders.

We see that Ben Johnson was supposed to go there. Sloak was supposed to go there. Is there another hiring happening right now? Was that him actually texting you in the middle of this entire thing? We heard that there was supposed to be an offensive guy potentially going to the Commanders. Maybe a younger guy going to the Commanders. Now, defensive veteran coach hired by the Commanders.

Braves Belichick, defensive veteran coaches still on the market, will not have a head coaching this kind of coach at Carousel. Why was Dan Quinn the guy over there, and how many people knew that that was probably likely? Well, there are a few things to consider here. I think first and foremost, they had the GM that they wanted. They got the guy that they wanted right away in Adam Peters, and they hired him out of the box. That was something that was important to them, and they got that done. And I think that they were of the mind that in a perfect world, they weren't going to be pairing a first-time GM with a first-time head coach. And so Dan Quinn checks the boxes there in that regard. The other thing is that when these

organizations are going through this hiring process, they make a lot of calls and they get a lot of calls from a lot of different people, endorsing candidates, recommending guys, you got to get to know this guy, I'm telling you about this guy, vouching for this guy. I know that the commanders felt like they got more calls and more texts unsolicited about Dan Quinn with positive messages from people than they got from any other candidate. And that's just the way that it kind of went. Now, that's not why he got the job, but it certainly was comforting and reassuring that they felt like they were getting a guy that is high energy, that's upbeat, that's positive. It probably doesn't hurt that you're

weakening the team in the division, although I don't really believe that to be a driving force and a primary factor in why they hired Dan Quinn they hired Dan Quinn because they believe in him as a leader they believe in him as a man they believe that other people are spot on and what they say about Dan Quinn who had been a finalist for other head coaching jobs and the board just didn't fall his way in recent years but they feel like they've got a whole energetic upbeat positive guy stepping in to Washington to help try to lead that team into the future before we go to Seattle and the Mike McDonald hire a 36 year old good good for him good for the future of football when new ownership happens are you just automatically on the first flight they're trying to get in with them so you can get information or how does that whole process go legit that's a real question there how does that go because there might be some more new

ownership and it's like obviously with the Washington football team the commanders there's gonna be a lot of movements obviously GM head coach they're in DC they have a loyal fan base it's like how quickly do you feel like you get a good sense of what's going on in one of those places uh I mean that's sort of the job it's not like uh Josh Harris and I are having regular phone Do you feel like you get a good sense of what's going on in one of those places? I mean, that's sort of the job. It's not like Josh Harris and I are having regular phone conversations or anything like that. But everybody's different. Some people want to talk to the media.

Some people don't. Some people have other people speak with the media. It's just every situation is different, Pat. And I had the fortune of getting to sit down with Josh shortly after he was approved in Minneapolis last summer, got to meet and talk with him. But, you know, it's funny, last year, I was thinking about this last night. I went to a luncheon at the Super Bowl last year on the Friday before the Super Bowl, and I was seated next to Josh Harris at the lunch. And he hadn't even bought the team yet.

You know, we talked a little bit, not a lot, but he and I sat together at this lunch and probably didn't spend as much time with him as I should have. But we did eat next to each other and he was, I could say, I could report back. He was very politely mannered and he kept his mouth closed when he chewed his food. That's a big deal. Very happy to hear that, obviously, because we've seen him do some interviews in the past. Doesn't feel like he's the most comfortable person speaking, but obviously a mastermind in the things that he does. Feels like he got the guy that he likes. I like

that the bumpus hounds over there are also pumped, it sounds like, for the hot... I can shut the door in my office. I don't know what the hell's going on, but we got something going on here. Hey, some delivery, I would assume, coming to the Schefter house. Let's talk about a delivery to Seattle. Mike McDonald, 36-year-old head coach now,

youngest head coach in the NFL, will be leading the Seattle Seahawks. I believe Schneider will be the one in charge there, leading the way with the way it has been reconstructed and who's in the power there. Chuck Pagano here has obviously been around a long time. He said, as soon as you heard about McDonald flying over Seattle

after the Ravens ended up losing, it was almost as if the writing was on the wall. We all thought Dan Quinn was going to be that guy. You thought no. When did McDonald kind of sights start happening for the Seattle Seahawks in your eyes? Well, I think you heard over the weekend, I started to hear that the Seahawks,

led by their general manager, John Schneider, were willing to wait to talk to Mike McDonald until after the Ravens season ended, meaning that if the Baltimore Ravens had won in the division or the conference championship round on Sunday against Kansas City, I think that they might have extended their search to after the Super Bowl because that's how much they wanted to talk to, meet with, and were interested in Mike McDonald. And so they met with him the day after the game. They fly him out the next day. They wasted no time. Washington also had a certain level of interest in Mike McDonald, who was, by the way, a finalist in Tennessee, in Carolina. People in Atlanta were highly impressed. The interesting thing is when you

talk to these teams about these candidates they really all loved mike mcdonald he stood out to them and so it wasn't you know when i said to you on monday that i don't think the board is going to go the way that people are saying because everybody was saying ben johnson in washington and dan quinn in seattle And in my mind, I truly believed, from what I knew, that Mike McDonald was getting one of these jobs. I didn't know which one. Why didn't you tell us? Come on. Why didn't you tell us? That's the purpose.

I did tell you. I did tell you. You didn't say, Mike McDonald's going to get one of these jobs. Well, I said to you, everybody's expecting Dan Quinn in Seattle and Ben Johnson. Yeah, I'm tired of having to read through the shit. Just, you know, I'm a basic human.

Just tell me what you know, Chef. Do you like, for instance, what do you... You're a very smart guy. You can add one. I told you that at least one and maybe both, those are the exact words I use, were not going to happen. The internet gods are telling you that you were wrong there. They were throttling. You made yell.

Your face was frozen there. But now that we have these two decided and there's no other head coaching gigs open, it's like Vrabes, Belichick, Ben Johnson, Slowik. We're all just assuming they're going to wait until next year? This is just a next year type thing? Or what do you think happens with Vrabes and Bill? this is just a next year type thing or what do you think happens with rabes and bill well they're gonna have to sit down and decide exactly how they want to approach the season and everybody handles it differently uh there are various ways to go about it both men are

under contract so it's not like there's any rush both men are well known and have great reputations. People know that they're out there. I think what, if it were me, I think you want to stay involved in the game to some extent. You want to go around in training camps. You want to visit with some organizations that you know and respect with people that will let you kind of watch and observe for three, four, five days at a time, maybe a week. Then maybe you want to work with one of those teams just as a consultant in an advisory role, breaking down film, making suggestions, whatever it may be. Because when the next cycle rolls around, and even before then, frankly, the names that are going to be on the tip of everybody's lips will be Bill Belichick, Mike Vrabel, Pete Carroll. And by the way, anytime any of these

franchises under high scrutiny with a lot of pressure, go under some kind of losing streak, what's the first thing their fan bases are going to say? What are you going to be talking about on this show? We could have hired Bill Belichick last. We could have hired. That's the name. That's good. Now, Pete Carroll, obviously, legend. Vrabes, legend. I'm assuming you're around a lot more than me. I had a Jets fan call me this morning, FaceTime me, and go, what are we doing?

We're still just going to go into this year, and we're just going to let Bill Belichick and Vrabes just be nothing, and we're just going to roll with our guy? Now, I'm not saying that. You know what may happen? What may happen next year, and I just thought of this. This is interesting. Because these guys are out there, I'm just telling you this is one option.

We've seen in the past, this year, it seemed like there were the three openings, and everybody else waited until the end of the season and then after because Arthur Smith was fired on Sunday, Ron Rivera fired on Monday, Mike Vrabel was fired on Tuesday, Pete Carroll was Wednesday, Bill Belichick was Thursday, it was one a day. What you may see next year is this could impact how teams handle their coaching situation so that in, I'm making this up, November 1st, when a team is 3-6, 3-7, and they've fallen out, and the owner knows he's making a change, at that point in time,

you pull the plug mid-November so that you could get out there to start interviewing candidates so that you can get a jump on Mike Vrabel, Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll, whoever it is that you want to go hire. If you remember, I believe that Mike Shanahan was hired by Washington in season, before the season was over. They announced it, if my memory serves me correct, in December. And that may be the type of thing that we face the prospect of seeing this upcoming season where coaches are let go in early to mid-November as opposed to a team waiting around to the end of the season. Hey, we appreciate the hell out of you, buddy. Good luck with everything. Host of the Adam Schefter Podcast, senior NFL insider at ESPN, and a man who got it right, I guess,

didn't really give it all. Right. No. Got it right. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter, thank you. Okay, Chuck, let's talk about about that like a mid-season potential opportunity and obviously we bring up the jets because of the amount of scrutiny that was on it and they decided to run it back from last year and all the dreams and hopes that they had last year they're just going to hope that the same exact thing happens this year and if it doesn't work out their fans are going to get loud not that their fans haven't been loud but it's going to get they're not the only team though that potentially starts bad and the fans knew it was's going to get... They're not the only team, though, that potentially starts bad, and the fans knew it was maybe going to be a bad year. I'm not

saying it's going to happen, but there's a lot of places. With Bill out there, and Pete out there, and Vrabes out there, and I think Carolina did this whenever Tepper took over the team with Ron Rivera. Fired him week six or seven or something, and they're like, hey, we're going to get a jump on next year. We're going to try to do that whole thing. What does

that mean for the coaches you think that are currently in those positions like robert solid knows like bill belichick's out to eberflus knows like hey vrabes is still out there and our fans are potentially feeling that way how do they keep that out and what is the perspective you think they have yeah you can't worry about that we all know you hear that cliche all the time right we know what we signed up. They obviously know that they have to win. You know, it's bottom line business. You win, you get to keep your job. If you don't, you're out. So they know those guys are out there. My question is, look at the average age of the guys hired this year, right? Everybody's going young. So Bill's going to be out a year. Pete's going to be out a year. And now they're going to be 73. And, you bill term 72 in april i believe you know he'll be

so guys ownership gm they're going to say are we going to go hire a 72 73 year old and how long is he going to want to coach for so the average age to me is like that's the biggest thing you know biggest question mark and then they're not going to be a fit for maybe one or, you know. So I thought potentially the commanders were a fit for Bill Belichick, just strictly because all the people that would potentially get fired when Bill Belichick came in, which was a conversation piece, I guess, around the Atlanta Falcons, it's like, hey, when Bill comes in, he's taken over a lot of different jobs, and he has his people that are in there. It's a two- to three-year run.

Do we want to fire 30 people that we have hired and we know for a two to three year run with bill belichick that's a lot of extra bullshit that comes alongside of hiring a coach and obviously that comes as part of the job you're making billions of dollars there's a reason for that it's not every day is going to be easy especially if you want change but that is certainly cause for concern for an owner especially older owners you know people are talking about that with the Cowboys. You think Jerry Jones, at his age, wants to go through an entire new reset of his organization and culture? Nobody's really talking about that.

The Commanders, they're already having the reset. So if you want to steal a two- to three-year window here to kind of launch your new legacy, your new ownership, that might be the spot where Bill Belichick comes in and is like, I got the GM area. I got, like, the scouting that we want. I got the head coaching. I got the people here for this. It's almost like a plug in place of a system.

But them choosing to go a different direction, still the oldest coach that was hired outside of Harbaugh, this hiring cycle was Dan Quinn in his 50s or whatever. It's just like, I don't know who's going to hire 15 wins away yes bill belichick it's right there 15 wins away from being the all-time winningest coach in the history of the nfl and what you just pointed out and what we've kind of talked about it's like it's it's seemingly not it's not going to happen for bill which is bananas to think about at this age.

Yeah, definitely not this year, but like all the two to three year run stuff we're talking about with the, you know, Belichick and that makes the most sense with the Jets. And I hate that I'm saying it, but like if Rogers is their plan and that's a two to three year run, why wouldn't you partner your two to three year run quarterback

with a two to three year run with the greatest coach and GM of all time. That's a match made in heaven, it feels like. Even if the Jets sneak into the playoffs at 9-8 or 10-7 and then they don't go to the conference championship, it feels like even that would be grounds for them to say, all right, solid, Douglas. We did what we could in these two years with Rodgers.

Obviously, we only got one real year with him, but even that year didn't look great. Let's try the two to three year run with the two to three years left we have with Rodgers with Bill Belichick. And if we win it in that span, awesome. If we don't, we're going to have to reset again. Yeah, Rodgers is gone anyway, so we have to

start this thing over either way. Joining us now is a man who probably has some opinions on all of it. A guy who has literally been in the NFL his entire life, not only because of his dad, but because of his incredible ability. He'll be coaching in the Pro Bowl this weekend against his brother on everybody's Mount Rushmore of NFL quarterbacks. I was lucky enough to be a teammate of his.

Ladies and gentlemen, Peyton Manning. Hey, I heard you're enjoying the hell out of Disney World down there, buddy. I just finished riding Tron. Probably not great for the neck, Pat, You're riding the hell out of Disney World down there, buddy. I just finished riding Tron. Probably not great for the neck, Pat, but actually me and the kids had a good time. I passed on Space Mountain because that's definitely bad for a guy who's had four neck surgeries. But, yeah, right in the middle of Disney World, right? Having a great time here at the Pro Bowl in Orlando.

Hey, oldest ride, longest line. Space Mountain can be had a different time. I appreciate that you're joining us here. In the Pro Bowl being in Orlando. We talked about this, I think, with J.J. Watt yesterday about how you used to be the mayor of the Pro Bowl in Hawaii, how there was conversations about the pool and how you would basically explain what the week was. It was a massive celebration. Feels like you're trying to keep the Pro Bowl relevant, trying to keep the Pro Bowl something special. How do you feel about it in the Pro Bowl relevant, trying to keep the Pro Bowl something special. How do you feel about it in Disney World, and how do you feel

about the Pro Bowl as a whole and being back a part of it, Peyton? I think the NFL did a great job calling an audible, if you will, Pat, going to the flag game. Vegas being the first year last year, players had a lot of fun. The NFL has taken all the players' feedback from last year,

how to make it even better Orlando they rented out Universal last night for all the players all the players get to go to the world as well so it's been a home run so far we've got great participation obviously there's 14 guys that are in the

Super Bowl from the Chiefs and the Niners that can't be here and why is that because they had great players in that team and that's why they made the Pro Bowl but they can't be here. Why is that? Because they had great players in that team and that's why they made the Pro Bowl, but they can't be here. All the guys are excited and Eli and I are trying to make it fun. Do I want to beat Eli this

year? Absolutely. I've been thinking about it all year since last year. That is the number one goal. The NFL has done a great job and the participation has been great. Eli said he's not doing shit this year. He said last year he got a lot of work put on his plate. This year he learned. He hired a couple people.

He said, you guys do everything. I'm just a figurehead. Are you doing the same thing, or are you more hands-on this year? Well, like I said, we did hire Wes Welker as offensive coordinator, so I want to bring that Mike McDaniel offense. Tua is our starting quarterback, so Tua will know the system. C.J. Strouds, our second quarterback, Slowick runs the same system as McDaniel,

so there should be a smooth transition there. Gardner Minshew is just a gamer, right? So it doesn't matter what kind of offense he's in. He's just going to make it happen. So I feel good about our playbooks. I sent all the players the playbooks right after they got beat in the playoffs to give them at least three weeks to

study. I expect everybody to be in tomorrow's practice. Ray Lewis is the coordinator, so that's a good thing. It's going to be great. We talked about the infamous Peyton Manning voice memos yesterday. Has Wes Welker got any of those?

And have you sent any to the boys? Or do you plan on doing that night before game to really let them know what's at stake? Yeah, I sent Wes a long voice memo kind of telling him. Hey, what's the length of that? 18, 20, 30? What is the length of that actually? Yeah, I think it was 15 minutes. It was short.

Kind of what my thought process was last year, what the rules are, what the defenses are. In classic Welker form, he said, Peyton, okay, these are great plays, but y'all lost last year. They didn't work. So I'm bringing my own stuff. So I lost the fight back from Welker. He was the same way as a teammate.

And so, look, a lot of pressures's on him, right? He's got to come in here and do the job, but it'll be fun. A lot of people that know you are saying that it's all fun and games with Wes Welker being the guy calling the plays until, you know, until. Is there a little bit of, have you

already thought about the moment? Hey, what's up? Hey, what's going on? We got photo bombs from Moseley Manning going on in the back. She just got off Space Mountain. She's excited. Yeah, look, I heard Eli chirping a little bit. Look, Wes has the reins until it's not going well.

And, you know, I can take over. So that's just kind of the deal but i expect west to to uh you know to be focused to do the job like i said you know tua is our running back i mean is our starting quarterback uh we have other dolphins uh you know players in the backfield so uh it should be pretty smooth i think okay and last thing about the pro bowl before we ask you about the super bowl as you get back to your vacation with your family that you've obviously earned and shout to Mosley making an appearance. Any Manning that makes an appearance on the program, we are honored. Awesome.

Just like the – you know, Eli put a bounty on your head pretty much in the dodgeball game. He said anybody that hits you right in the dome will earn some sort of bounty from him. Are you keeping your head on a swivel that big ass head on a swivel during dodgeball and what do you think about his tactics kind of being a little bit dirty this year seemingly yeah i mean elah's comfortable right i mean they won in kind of a controversial ruling last year look it's got an asterisk next to it pat you know that

you were broadcasting and you saw what happened at the end of the game. He's cocky. He's comfortable. He's got to get some new material besides the forehead jokes. It's three years now of the same stuff. Find some different writers and come back with something stronger. But yeah, I'll be ready. I was talking to Quentin last night. I got Quentin Nelson.

I got Ryan Kelly. I got my bodyguards, you know, the AFC guys. They're going to take care of me tonight. So I feel safe tonight for sure in dodgeball. A couple Colts offensive linemen. Happy they came back to form this past year. Same with Gardner Minshew, obviously, on the squad. I'm excited to see him throughout all the games.

He's electrifying. Let's talk about the Super Bowl here while we have you for a minute or two. Both these teams seem to be obviously playing their best ball, but also seem to be hated publicly for whatever reason. The Chiefs, they win too much. The Niners, while their quarterback is just surrounded by good players, it's like it's the Super Bowl. No shit. How do you feel about the matchup between the two, and how do you kind of see the game going, Peyton? Look, I think it's the two best teams that are playing because they've done it,

because they've gotten to this point. I think we've learned don't tell Patrick Mahomes that he can't do something. Oh, you can't win in Buffalo? Watch this. No way you can win in Baltimore in an AFC championship. Watch this. And then everybody kind of wanted to write the Niners off after the Baltimore game and, you know, look, Green Bay at halftime, I think everybody said, this game's over, the same for the Detroit game. And all they do is just keep fighting and keep coming back.

And, look, Brock Purdy, all he does is get it done. He's calm and cool. I'm waiting to see Brock Purdy sweat. I haven't seen him sweat yet. He just looks as calm and collected in the pocket as Joe Montana. So it's the two best teams. I don't think Kyle Shanahan is super excited about the Niners being favorites. I think he'd like to have some say in that.

And I'm not sure why people keep picking against the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes as underdogs, but I know he likes that. I know he has that laminated in the locker room, bulletin board material. We're the underdogs. They're going to channel that. So, look, it's been proven that I'm a bad predictor, so I'm not about to make a prediction. I think it's going to be a heck of a game.

I think it's going to be high scoring. I do. I think it's going to be an offensive game, which is great. But, look, what both of those teams did in the playoffs, especially in the championship games under tough conditions, hats off to them, and they deserve to be in this game. All right, well, enjoy the hell out of Disney World. Good luck this weekend at the Pro Bowl.

You can't become completely defeated as a coach in the Pro Bowl. That can't happen. That's not Peyton Manning, you know? I agree. I agree, Pat. It won't happen. We will even the score in Orlando. MVP, they used to give a car to the MVP. So we're working on the gift. Maybe, you know, Pat McAfee wants to, you know, name the MVP, but I'm going the early MVP candidate as I'm going CJ Stroud. Stroud. C.J. Stroud for the MVP. Hey, rookie, too. So it's his first time.

You know, he's going to want to ball out just like he has all year. I'm excited to see what Wes Welker cooks up for the boys. You're the man. We appreciate you. Thanks, Pat. All right, see you, Mosley. Ladies and gentlemen, Peyton Manning. Yeah.

All right, so we talked about it a bit yesterday with J.J., but it's real. Peyton Manning used to be the mayor of the Pro Bowl. And the reason why he was the mayor of the Pro Bowl is because, obviously, his dad was there. So he had been at the Pro Bowl since he was a little kid. And if you do recall, Eli and Peyton, I think there was a Reebok commercial from back in the day when they were eight or nine years old playing football in the front yard down in New Orleans. And they're like, even the next generation is ready.

So they've actually been talked about as NFL quarterbacks since before they could handwrite. So the amount of pride that they have in the NFL and how thankful they are to be a part of the NFL is real and genuine. And when Peyton started seeing what was happening with the Pro Bowl, I think he was like, this can't, we got to keep this and preserve something in the NFL. Like we can't just lose everything to the modern way of thinking and business decisions and people lacking interest and stuff like pro bowl has to remain something that has value and has importance because the guys who work their ass off and the guys that carry the league that's who the pro bowlers are the pro bowlers are the guys that make all the money for the league they're the ones that sell

the tickets they're the ones that make the teams good it's like there has to be some sort of feeling of that still. So I appreciate that he's investing all the way back in it. I think it's going to be tough to make it like it once was, but as long as it remains something that is still somewhat important, I think it's good for all parties. I'm sure we talked about it last year, but was there ever

a reason given why they decided to move it away from Hawaii? Well, that's what I figured. That was part of it. I think that was a part of it. That's a problem. I was going to say, that's why you just assumed. I was the first year in Arizona.

I think the first time they moved. I've never been more. Because I probably should have made it the year before, too. Just so we have that all. And I didn't. So then the year I make it, I'm super pumped. I'm like, this is a dream come true. And it gets in Arizona.

I'm like, all right, I love Arizona. Still love Arizona. Probably going to end up living in Arizona. I will. But then moving it away from Hawaii, I think, was the – it was also a long trip out there. For sure. The amount of time it takes, the amount of money it takes,

everything like that. It was so fun. Everybody loved it. Oh, my gosh. Listen to this. Everybody loved it out there. It was like the perfect thing. It would eliminate all opt-outs, wouldn't it?

I mean, outside of guys in the Super Bowl, like for the most part, most of those big-name guys, because you can just treat it like a vacation. You can bring your significant other or your whole family. Like, I feel like if it was still there, then we wouldn't have the seventh, eighth alternates like we have now. We're just in a different era of humans. Yeah. It's after?

It's before the Super Bowl now? Yeah, it used to be after. Back then, it was after. So it was like, hey, it's over. The week after, it was yeah it used to be back then it was after so it was like the week after i think right yeah the week because even super bowl guys wouldn't play in it but they would still go yeah the patriots guys would show up late yeah excuse me i'm sorry connor the staffs were like if you lost the division round that was the consolation prize you know you wanted to keep playing you wanted a chance to be in the championship game and go on to a super bowl but you got to take your whole family. That whole deal about the pool and all that,

one thing they tell you is don't let anybody know your room number. Because, like, man, Peyton. Charge it. Hey, so, Coach, what room are you staying at? So as soon as you say that, like, you go to check out, because they know the league's going to take care of, like, the head coach and the coach. Just give everybody your room number so your bill's like $55,000.

But they rented a whole resort. It was like a whole resort was for the NFL. It was to celebrate a great season, to celebrate the league. It's a shame. It's a shame that it got to the point where the game got to where it got to. As far as not taxing. I mean, it just became – Everything. Well, once the NFL – I think, you know, a lot of people blame the players for that, which is certainly fair, I think, with the way it all ended up. But once they see, like, the NFL is kind of – you know, like, the NFL is not fully invested in it, so why are we – we're supposed to be fully invested, but the NFL is like, let's take this.

When it was in Arizona, they didn't even rent the whole hotel. There was other conventions happening in the hotel. Luke Keekly's walking through the lobby, and there's some diehard Carolina Panthers fan who was at a convention for some other logistics thing in the same hotel just badgering him

for 45 minutes in the lobby as he's trying to talk to JJ. It was crap. It was to JJ. It was crap. It was absolute crap. And it was my first year there. I'm a punter, and obviously I don't have a lot of say in anything, but I'm looking around. I'm like, this doesn't feel like it's a special.

It feels like a job more so. No wonder guys don't want to come back if that's going on. Bingo. It's like you can't blame Tom Brady. I'm not going to that. Tom Brady would have zero anything. It's like back when it was in Hawaii, it was the full resort. You can't blame Tom Brady. I'm not going to that. Tom Brady would have zero anything. Back when it was in Hawaii, it was the full resort.

It was like, guys, hey, would talk guys into doing stuff too. Like the quarterback challenge. Maybe some guys weren't going to do it, but then at the pool, have a couple drinks. You start talking a little bit. It's like, all right, let's not get hurt, but let's go do this. It was more of a specialty. I'm happy to hear that they're trying at least to get it back in there. He said the NFL has been listening to the player stuff,

but I feel like that's a mission that Peyton is really trying to kind of bring back, and I hope they do it. The water balloon toss last year was tough. The water balloon toss was tough last year, but I appreciate that they're evolving, they're changing, and hopefully it will remain something that people are proud to be a part of, which they should be. Do we know any of the new games like water talk the war tick-tack-toe with the long snappers and kick-tack-toe yeah with the kickers which happened in hawaii that was something they did back in hawaii i think they did horse or something back in hawaii did fans go in hawaii

were there a lot of fans there or not really uh i think they had to stay i think the stands were filled up okay yes but it was also i think think the stands were filled up. But it was also, I think locals and people traveled out there. But it was special. You just knew it was special, kind of went hand in hand. So whenever they tried to change it, who knows? Once the toothpaste is out of the bottle, can you

shove it back in? They're going to find out. I'm excited for it tonight, though. They're going to find out. If anybody can do it, Peyton can shove it back in there. We shall see. Because I was proud to make the Pro though. They're going to find out. If anybody can do it, Peyton can... Yeah, he's the one. He can shove it back in there. We shall see. Because I was proud to make the Pro Bowl. Then I went to it and then I made another one and I said, I'm not. That's not what it is. Not me.

I'm not going to that thing. They wanted me to build a sidewalk in the middle of the desert. I don't think so. Sounds fun. Yeah. Can I just... What do you want me to do? We need you to build a sidewalk out in the middle of the desert for uh it's for kids it's like i love those kids please tell them that but also i'm not i'm not pouring cement in the middle of the desert give me 100 grand okay can i go on

oh i'm a bad guy we'll do a playground you know playground hey we're good with the playground but hey we go pour cement in the middle of the desert be good for the community it's like okay i was just up for the once paid man of the year like i love it and i'm very lucky to give i understand this whole thing but this is not what i thought the pro bowl i just want to let you know this is not what i thought this is going to be at all well will you do a 40 yard dash for rich eisen's 40 yeah i will do it okay sounds good so i'm there with like uh iqib Tlaib and a couple other guys. And right before it, I'm like, you didn't want to pour cement? He was like, nope, wasn't me neither.

So we're doing this. This is what we're doing instead. It was like, it just, it lost its way. And I would assume it was people that had no idea what the Pro Bowl was, who were tasked with reimagining the Pro Bowl. And I'm happy to hear that Peyton hopefully is back more hands-on in creating it all. Because

in the football world, the Pro Bowl still counts. Whenever people talk about Hall of Fame, people talk about legacy, bonuses, contracts, it still matters. But does it? The event itself seemingly dropping off. Tonight we have precision passing, best catch, closest to the pin,

which is golf, high stakes, which is catching punts from the jug machine, how many you can catch and keeping your hands at the same time, I believe. I like that. Dodgeball and then kick-tacto. Okay. So I think I'm not giving away. But you might as well tease so people watch. What I've been told is Justin Tucker really wanted to win that kick-tech toe.

And he's going against Brandon Aubrey, rookie kicker. Young buck. Yeah, so I think that one might be pretty, I think it'll be good entertainment. Okay. From what I've been told. I hope they didn't release the whole thing on the Instagram because I watched it last night and I feel like I already know who it was because I watched the whole entire thing.

Yeah. Should also not give away things. Yeah, I know. Yeah, especially. I was shocked. Wait, it's not live tonight? Well, so I was about to say I heard it's already been recorded, but then I said kayfabe, but now you're saying social media team shout Omar and them are like, hey, listen, this is happening tomorrow.

Yeah. We'll just go ahead and put this one out. And they showed who won. They didn't just show like, hey, they're doing kick-tack-toe. It was like, hey, this team won. I'm sure that was a strategy on purpose. I'm sure that wasn't just some rogue operatives saying, hey, we'll go ahead and ruin everything. Maybe it was like best out of three.

That's not how a social media team at ESPN works. No, they would never. They wouldn't do that. Not at all. That is an interesting move, though. They are all in always on ESPN products. If we were to say something about the ESPN social media team, we'd say, you know what? They care on ESPN products. If we were to say something about the ESPN social media team, we'd say, you know what?

They care about ESPN products. Having success. You know what everybody says? Yeah, they're always posting SVP during the year. Yeah, you're right. On that SportsCenter account. Yeah, after the Bad Beat segment and all that. Sweet highlights from like 10 years ago.

Lots of stuff. Yeah, yeah, it is. Gompch. What was that? Gompch. Like highlights from like 10 years ago. Lots of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Gomp. What was that? Like the Pro Bowl 10 years ago. We've already started enough wars. No, they had Dan Marino on there 10 years ago hitting the target. You know. We do appreciate the hell out of them putting some of our stuff out

on their accounts. We appreciate that. They're not expected that. Have not expected that, but that's been very kind to them. I wonder if they were forced to do that. Oh, they were. Okay, sweet. Very, very appreciative of that. Let's talk about some things happening around not by us, not by us. Other people that want us to succeed in ESPN, which there are people, from what I've been told.

The few that are proud. The people at ESPN who want us to succeed. We appreciate you. We appreciate the hell out of you. We do. We appreciate the hell out of you. Alright, let's talk about some other news around the NFL. George Kittle and Hutchinson had a moment that the world saw. We actually saw it on In the Trenches where George Kittle got good leverage on Hutch and he pancaked him.

Well, it was all mic'd up with NFL films for Inside the NFL. Here's how the whole play went down from the inside from these two guys. Watch George Kittle here. This is against Aiden Hutchinson. I don't know who's more excited, Kittle or you as a tight end. That's a big-time matchup. That's good timing. It's screwed by proprioception.

Proprioception. That's a Michigan word. I'm an Iowa guy. You can't say something like that. Okay, so proprioception, I think everybody probably Googled it after seeing this video. But whenever you see George Kittle take that much pride in blocking, that goes to the culture, I believe, that the Niners have.

And that goes to what type of guy Kittle is, and not just him, but the entire team. As a former coach, especially hard-nosed, old-school football coach, have to love seeing stuff like this, especially from the inside, Chuck. Absolutely, because you don't see those, you know, the same old Y stud tight ends, in-line tight ends that used to do that for a living and have jobs because of that. You see all these, we used to name them queen tight ends. They're the H-back, the move guy, the displace, get out here, and they don't want to do any heavy lifting.

So you've got to love that. Is that Shanahan? Is that Lynch? Is that just George Kittle's special? What do you think it is? Why do you think they have everybody bought in, seemingly, in San Francisco? It's that culture. It's like they know exactly before they go get these dudes okay what are the characteristics

what's the football character of the makeup this team going to be how do you figure that out senior bowl combine asking people that's that's the hardest thing because it's not quantifiable right what makes a guy tick so that's the hardest job for a scout a coach anybody's figure out what makes this guy tick is he one of us senior bowl is happening right now we're watching it on nfl network uh shout out to the 75th anniversary team boys we did it we absolutely did it ask rap report to pick up my plaque if they're handing those out whenever he's down there wish i can make it back to mobile for the celebration but it's like this is an opportunity for guys to learn about these players a little bit closer

if there's a bad rep and we're watching one-on-ones, should we just automatically assume those guys are screwed forever? No. Okay, good. Well, there was one guy who ripped off a helmet. There was a D lineman who ripped off a D lineman's helmet. I saw that pass rush, right, one-on-one? Yeah, is that not something like, hey, we can't get this guy? Well, there's an internet scout that told me that this is probably going to hurt

this guy's draft stock because in one-on-ones between a center and a D lineman, they got real feisty. Well, I mean, to me, I love that, but let's just temper it and say, look, you're going to cost your team. I love your fight. I love all that. The guy's got some nasty to him, but you can't be ripping guys' helmets off.

He didn't bonk anyone on the head with it. No, at least he didn't do that. We saw that happen, right? I'm proud of Tom. A Defense Player of the year candidate that did it. But I appreciate all the new people that are covering the NFL. And I appreciate how much people are invested. But just making blanket statements about things,

about like, this is going to kill his draft. It's like, you don't know that. Because there's actually some teams that will see that and be like, hell yes, we want that guy. There's things that happen that aren't necessarily society-driven, morally correct, where some football teams are like, we need a guy like that on our team, actually. And I'm not saying they should do that every single play,

but whenever we're getting an opportunity to see these guys risk their futures or try to prove their futures, it's like too often everybody's just kind of, on this rep it's over, on this rep it's happening. It's like it's everybody's just kind of on this rep, it's over. On this rep, it's happening. It's like it's a full makeup, right, between this, the combine, what they did in college, what people are saying, just trying to get as much information as possible. It's just one piece.

It's just one piece of the puzzle because they're going to go back and watch this guy's body work. Biggest piece is his college tape. You're going to watch that. Then you're going to see him in an all-star game. Then he's going to come hopefully to the combine. You're going to watch that. Then you're going to see him in an all-star game. Then he's going to come, hopefully, to the Combine. You're going to see him again. So bring him in for a top 30.

Senior Bowl matters, though, I think. Absolutely, it matters. Tomlin's in the middle of drills now. What's Coach Tomlin doing? He's the mayor of Mobile right now. He's talking to every single guy. He's in the middle, and he's not on any of the coaching staffs, but I assume he could do whatever he wants.

That's the biggest thing is trying to get close to these guys. They have it set up to where you've got meetings with these guys, so they can go down there and interview them, whether it's 15 minutes like the combine, but you have a chance. You have a chance to lay eyes on these guys. You have a chance to talk to these guys. Tomlin gets down there and interacts

with them and tries to dap guys up, this, that, and the other, but you want to see guys compete. You want to see how these guys interact with other players. Because you're going to tell there's going to be certain guys that don't say shit in these units. They don't say a word. And then you're going to see a guy that kind of sticks out and separates himself as a leader, as a guy that's vocal, as a guy that'll not only hold himself accountable, but hold the

other guys accountable in that setting. And that's like, okay, that guy, he separated himself just that way. To your point, after day one, Roman Wilson had a great day at wide out. The corner from Toledo had a great day. And Tomlin went up to him before day two and said, you two have every single rep against each other today. That's like, hey, you two are going together against each other every single rep today.

It's awesome. It's like I appreciate that people are playing in it too, names that we know in the senior bowl, because it was starting to get to a point where agents, I think, were telling players not to go to the senior bowl and obviously don't do the combine. CJ threw that combine, and he put on an absolute show. And I think what he proved is like, hey, this guy's confident

in what he's able to do. And also, he's looking out for everybody else. It's like there's a give and a take with everything. If you get hurt, obviously, worst case scenario for everybody. But I think a lot of people are scared they're going to get exposed or play bad in these games. Well, then you're going to get exposed at some point.

Anyways, I think the more participation we have in these, the more opportunities to prove how great you are. People should take advantage of it. And it feels like the Senior Bowl is a little bit heightened this year with more names that we know as opposed to names that we don't. And some of the success that guys who have played in it in years past. They were showing clips of Josh Allen.

They were showing clips of Puka Nakua. But how funny is it that, what, three weeks ago we were talking about Mike Tomlin maybe not coaching anymore, and we're three weeks removed. He was stepping away. Yeah, stepping away because he didn't want to do it anymore. Now he's in Mobile, Alabama three weeks after losing in the playoffs talking to every single player. Sweet hokas on too. Yeah, with sweet hokas.

Yeah, the hokas are obviously sweeping the globe. If you're standing and walking it's not a bad idea to get actual cumulus clouds underneath your feet amen as you walk around and the hawaiian created hokas and everything like that we got some breaking news off the internet diana rossini just tweeted that bill belichick was considered for the job with the commanders and the commander spoke with him and he had support from some decision

makers but in the end dan quinn is their choice now rossini's fresh off a hit piece of the new york jetsets just yesterday with The Athletic. Obviously, she has a lot of sources and is plugged. The commanders came out earlier in the whole thing and said, we are not interested in Bill Belichick, but they were also interested in a bunch of people that ended up not being their head coach.

I do wonder what the story is about Bill Belichick in this coaching cycle and if he only chatted with the Falcons because you would assume that if he was chatting with the Commanders at all, the whole world would have heard about it, but they also might have just been trying to keep it on DL. Yeah, I guess. I love Diana Russini, so paying you to say this, but that's complete bullshit. I mean, you don't come out and say

hey, there's no chance that we're going to talk to this guy. That's not our guy and I believe there was a list of people they talked to and he wasn't on it, but I mean, it felt like they weren't in on bill from jump street and then how how would they be in on dan quinn after the performance they had in the playoffs and not in on bill like why wouldn't that be more wouldn't this kind of feel like an insider after the fact dan quinn's 20 years iron well no it's 13 uh of, 12 and a half. But still, doesn't he?

What is his age? 50 what? 59. Oh, okay. I thought he was 53. So did I. 50, at least on that list. I thought that's what I saw.

Okay. Well, hey, listen, I thought I saw 53, but you could certainly be right. I was trying to remember. I might be wrong. Yeah, exactly. 39's right above it. Yeah. Okay.

So 15 years. So he's 20 years younger than Bill Belichick, which might be, you know, potential reasoning behind it all. But you're right. You're 100% right about what Dan Quinn showed at the end. Like Dallas, I think, was okay with him taking another job and getting a new D.C. at the end. But also very okay with him coming back.

So, I mean, I guess on the field there's a conversation to be had. But I think Dan Quinn being there and having done the job already, because when you become a head coach, it's a whole new line of bullshit, right, of things that come across your desk? There's no manual. And you just got to deal with it. I remember sitting in Indy when the dust settled. You know, you come back, do the presser, meet with everybody, right?

How old were you when you got the job? 52. Okay. Too old. Too old. Yeah, of course, Connor. Turned 52 in October of that first season, 2-12. So, yeah, sitting at the desk and everybody's gone days over,

and I'm like opening drawers looking for like the head coaching manual that, you know, Coach Caldwell maybe left behind. Like, what do you do now? What the frick did we just do to ourselves, right? Yeah, so there's no manual. So you just one day at a time and just kind of, know there's going to be a lot more stuff it feels like the seattle seahawks are doing what the eagles have done for a long time schneider becomes like the guy in charge hire a 36 year old coach take a lot of the stuff that normally would come across the head coach's desk put that

to schneider's desk you just worry about operating the team now if he has massive success over the next three four or five years then there's going to come a situation potentially like Peterson had with Philadelphia where he's going to want more say, and then they'll figure that out, I assume, whenever they get there. But that feels like the method that they want, and the commanders want with a guy like, hey, this guy's been here, done this before. We want a little bit of stability maybe.

Vrabel. Exactly. That's crazy. He's, by all accounts, good ball coach. Yeah. Like, even people that hate the Patriots dynasty. Yes. He was a part of that.

Say he's a good coach. People in the AFC South, he's a good coach. People that maybe don't like the state of Ohio, for whatever. I'm not one of those people. But just Ohio folks don't like, he's a good ball coach. People that don't like people that chew and vape and smoke and all that, they say he's a good ball coach. Was able to lead the Tennessee Titans to a number one overall seed with like a record

breaking 90 guys coming through their roster because the amount of people went on IR. I wonder why, we talk about Bill obviously because he's 15 wins away from being the greatest winning coach of all time and everything like that. But Vrabel just kind of sneaking through this entire thing without a job is almost more surprising to me than Bill. It is more surprising to me than Bill. It seems like in a lot of these situations, they went with the younger guy who they could still kind of control a little bit.

If you get a guy like Vrabel, it's kind of similar to Belichick in terms of he's obviously not going to be the GM, but what Vrabel says goes kind of similar to Belichick in terms of like he's obviously not going to be the GM but like what Vrabel says goes like it's his team it's not I mean yeah the owner owns the team but like it's Mike Vrabel's team like whereas in Tennessee like we saw Rand Carthon got that promotion he's executive vice president now and GM so like yeah they hire Brian Callahan but like Rand Carthon's running the show you know and it seems like in a lot of these places where these younger guys got hired that was kind of the the modus you know, and it seems like in a lot of these places where these younger guys got hired, that was kind of the modus operandi.

It was like, Hey, we were kind of taking the team back. We'll get a young guy. Hopefully he has success, but the people in place, the football ops people are the ones we want running the show. Our sources are telling us that, uh, Bill in the commanders never spoke. That's just what our sources are telling us. Okay. No shit.

That's what our source says are telling us. That's what our sources are telling us via text message immediately upon us saying it on the show. That's a pretty cool part of our job now. Back in the day, we didn't necessarily have every human watching our show from at least every different place. We would say something and it wouldn't be until a week or two later

where somebody would be like, hey, I saw a clip where you said this. Now in real time, we're getting texted. No getting texted no no no that's not how it went down conflicting reports nonetheless dan quinn's the coach now let's go back to dallas dallas gonna have to find a defense coordinator i assume jerry jones and mike mccarthy will have that figured out here's jerry jones though speaking about dac prescott and the future of the Dallas Cowboys. Dak has done nothing to change my mind of any promise for the future. I think I said in the deal that we'd go as far as Dak takes us. In the playoffs, remember that?

Go as far as Dak takes us. How do you feel he played? And that's how far we went. Right. Okay, so my point is, this doesn't change a thing. We'll go as far as Dak takes us. How do you feel he played against Green Bay?

You may have just said it there, but how do you feel he performed against the Packers? Well, I think that we, as a team, laid an egg. And that's not specifically I want to say it and respond that way. And you can start here, and I'm not trying to be magnanimous or anything. But you can start here and you can go all the way down the line. That was a bad day for us. And it manifests and created a lot of scrutiny on days long before that and long after that. That's what kind of day it was.

So it'll be an impactful day. We'll do things that honor the fact that we didn't play well against the Packers. Jerry Jones known a lot for potentially saying, what's going on over here? One time in his life whenever he was a child. Also a man who's still in Mobile, Alabama for the Senior Bowl. You don't think he's invested in the Dallas Cowboys and hoping to see them win one last time?

And he said, I still believe that we go as Dak goes, and we got exactly how far Dak went. And the person was like, exactly. Is that where you want to go? The whole team laid an egg there now. So Jerry having to talk and still talking about the Dallas Cowboys is something that has become a

tradition obviously with sports media. Listening to Jerry talk about the Cowboys. What did you hear from him there? Because I think what I heard was whole team sucked. It's not just that which then is that Mike McCarthy he's talking to? Is that Dan Quinn who's already out there that he's talking to? Who do you think Jerry's talking to? And what do you think

they do next at the D.C. position, Chuck? That was really hard to hear. Why? That muffled roomie, whoever he is. Oh, so you didn't even hear what Jackson said? No, I heard a lot of it before. I figured.

This all-in deal. Haven't they been all-in? And then he mentions his relationship. I don't know if it was mentioned there, but then his relationship with Bill. He's got to bring Bill Belichick up, right? Absolutely could work with him. And then this is all on Dak. We're going to go as far as Dak.

Well, did he just say what happened with the defense? They did give up 48 points, right? Yeah, so. And that guy's head coach. Yeah, Bill Belichick frames or not. But Dan Quinn put together a great body of work. Yeah, that's right. Now, Micah Parsons was also talking about the Dallas Cowboys season,

and this is what he had to say fresh off, I believe, a vacation. You know, they're talking about we're going all in this year, man. That's what I would hope for. You know, I'm 24 years old. I've been in this league, you know, three years, and I've kind of seen it all. And I hope that we go all in. I hope that we go out and get the players that we're missing because we didn't do that this year.

You know, I hope that we challenge ourselves to become better and become greater for us um and i'm trying to say this in like the most nice way possible because of how like i truly feel and you know you got analysts and um you got guys like skip that just talk so crazy out on the media just because they can. Yeah, and he would go on to bury Skip. We don't need to, you know, kind of run that. Didn't bury him that way, just still in a respectful way.

But Skip obviously threw away 45 jerseys into his automatic trash can with Ernesty filming him. And after the Cowboys lost to the Packers, it's obviously heartbreaking. The Cowboys always going to be talked about. But he's saying he's hoping that we go all in. They kind of did, though. Yeah. I assume that's what Jerry Jones is.

Hey, Micah, we did go all in. I don't know if you know that. They bring in Stephon Gilmore. Yep. Who else? They bring in Brandon Cooks on offense. They draft Jake Ferguson to replace Dolan Schultz, which worked. Diggs gets hurt halfway through the year.

Now, that obviously a whole different ball game Whenever you lose in a league corner But Dan Quinn, new head coach of the Commanders Seemingly got the defense back on track I like that the expectation is that we're going all in We're spending money and we're trying to win a Super Bowl Every single year But boy, it gets loud down there in the Big D Whenever they don't

Football It is beautiful, football is the topic of conversation Football! It is beautiful. Football is the topic of conversation for us most days. The Talks at Table is here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. One after the hammer. Done! Cowboys' Tone Diggs is here. 36-year coach, our coach, the people's coach, Chuck Pagano is here.

Chuck, coach! A lot of coach moves happening today. It's a beautiful time to have Chuck Pagano here. It's also great to have a man joining us from Manatee in Ohio. He's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, a COVID survivor, and a father of 10. The current president of Ohio, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawks. A.J., let's jump right in. Dan Quinn and Mike McDonald, two defensive guys, hired as head coaches in the last 24 hours.

McDonald for the Seahawks, Dan Quinn for the Commanders. What are your thoughts on the hirings and how do you think this whole thing panned out, Bub? Well, it's good to see some defensive guys get hired as head coaching candidates right now because it seems like we're in just over the last, what, I guess since McVay, hey, let's go hire the youngest, most innovative play caller that we think is out there and hope that they can run a team. So I think this is awesome. I think Dan Quinn, we all assumed he was going to Seattle, right?

And I guess Shefty kind of tipped us off, though, and let us know that things weren't, I guess, the way that we thought they were. Let's not give Shefty too much credit. What did he know? Did he know? What do you think Shefty did know when he came on the other day and didn't tell us anything? So Sheftifty pretty much told us that everybody has liked mike mcdonald that has interviewed him and the seattle seahawks have come out and said they're going to

wait for the baltimore ravens to be done so i think shifty assumed that mike mcdonald was going to get one of those jobs now he refused to say that to us he refused to say that to us he just said i'm willing to bet that one if not both of those are not true it's like what else elaborate please so maybe next year with chef d we'll be able to get the you know the inside voices outside and we will certainly continue to attempt to do that but the mcdonald guy i guess he is impressed everywhere 36 years old that's my age i'm super pumped that he is getting an opportunity to lead a team over there in Seattle. But with Schneider in charge, you assume McDonald

is just going to be able to run the football stuff. Schneider's going to do everything else. And let's assume they get along. I don't know Schneider. You know him a lot better than I do because he was with Green Bay beforehand. Everybody says great things about him except for, I assume, Pete Carroll. As Pete Carroll was learning, he was getting kicked out the door. AJ. Yeah, I do wonder

if he and Schneider and Pete's relationship is on the rocks. I bet they're still – I'm sure they're fine. I'm sure they're still communicating. I don't know. If not, hey, time heals all usually, right? Schneider's a football guy, right? It wasn't the football guy's move. It wasn't the football guy's decision.

Yeah, you're right. These aren't football people that are making these decisions. So maybe Schneider was on his side. Nonetheless, McDonald's out of Baltimore. Baltimore is going to have to figure it out now. Yeah. Right? Baltimore is going to have to make some decisions. Some big losses. Yeah, legit's out of Baltimore. Baltimore's going to have to figure it out now. Baltimore's going to have to make some decisions. Some big losses.

Ortiz. New GM. Joey Ortiz. Unbelievable. That was a great hire. Paired up with Jimmy Harbaugh now over in L.A. Mike McDonald, obviously. And then we're hearing that their secondary coach

Darren. He's going to be the D.C. of the Titans, I believe. Yeah, he was at Philly. He was at Philly a year ago, right? He was he's a great D.B. coach, was at Philly, wanted to stay Philly, wanted to be that coordinator, didn't get the job, right? So they kind of parted ways, went to Baltimore, their secondary, their defense. We saw that. We saw that with the Phillies. Yeah. Denard Wilson, excuse me. Denard Wilson's his name. My apologies. So he's the new D.C. and Tennessee I read this morning. So he's at, McDonald's

at, I think Queens contract is up, but they're going to have to make that happen. This is what happens when you have success, let alone what's going to happen to this Niners and Chiefs teams. We have no idea who's going to get plucked. What passing Chiefs teams like we have no idea who's going to get plucked what passing game coordinator what run game coordinator what GA that we don't

even know of is going to get a position group job somewhere that's what happens when you win when you win they say there's enough to go around doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be enough here potentially somewhere else it's a part of it all you guys talk about all the time like and that Ravens roster, Queen could be gone. It's like, do they bring back Van Noy and Clowney on the other side who they brought in this year on, I believe, one-year deals? You guys in those locker rooms, they change so much year to year. Well, that's why there's so much emotion whenever teams lose after a good run because it's like, hey, what we had this year, it's never going to be.

First thing the coach says after the last – when you lose, like, hey, it's never going to be like this again. We will never be – this exact group will never be in a locker room together. Again, it might be a little turnover, might be a ton of turnover, but either way, it's true. There's a finality to it all, let alone the amount of luck. And we talked about this yesterday. The teams that make it this far and mcdc

chatted about that about you know like i think we'll get back to this point but who knows you know because the amount of balls that have to bounce your way like an oblong football has to bounce left into your guy's hand at some point as opposed to bouncing right into the other team's hand and you steal a win like the teams that end up lasting, which is, once again, why what New England was able to accomplish for 20 years is so absurd. It's like the ball has to go your way. Injuries have to go your way. And by injuries, it's like going your way.

They're going to happen. Can't happen at key positions and key points of the schedule. If it happens early in the year when you're not really playing anybody, okay. If it happens late whenever there's a playoff race to a very a very important position it's like that can kill you and that can come out i know that could be somebody's foot stepping on somebody's foot in the meeting room and then all of a sudden you're out and the whole game plan's off it's like to win in the league is so hard and then once you win you're gonna get people plucked out of your shit and now you got to replace them somehow we saw with the eagles not be able to do it with coordinator jobs now dallas is going to have to fill that defense

coordinator job al harris i believe is who ed werder is reporting that trevon diggs and i assume many others are hoping for to be the defense coordinator i would assume yes he quote tweeted a trevon diggs uh tweet that says he wants al harris for the.C. Yeah, Zach Werder, Ed Werder, was doing that. I'm getting news from the back. I do not know who this human is, but the Ravens have hired their new D.C. Zach Orr has been named the Ravens defense coordinator, replacing Mike McDonald.

The former Ravens linebacker who retired early from playing due to a neck injury has been serving as the team's inside linebackers coach and has had a fast rise. 31 years old and now the dc in baltimore so they go from mcdonald who was 34 or 35 when he was hired as dc coming back to baltimore out of michigan who sharon moore will be joining us in about four minutes or so now they go with a 31 year old dc who's already been in the building. That's good news. Yeah, absolutely. Been there, been with McDonald, knows the system, terminology, obviously has a great relationship with all those players.

This is probably a really good hire for them. Probably, yeah. That's how we have to feel about everything, by the way. Yeah. Continuity. Even people we know getting hired that we assume are going to be, we have no idea. No.

Some of these coaches might just go and lay an egg completely. Oh, yeah. Some of these coaches might not be able to build a culture. Some of these coaches might get incredibly unlucky when it comes to injuries and the ball bouncing their way, and their entire run is deemed a failure, but they're actually a good ball coach. We have no clue what's going to happen with any of these hirings, and also a lot of them, I have no idea who these guys are.

I have no clue. They're so young. I mean, 31 years old as a DC. I remember Zach O'Reilly as a player. So, yeah, the fact that he's already a defensive coordinator is awesome. And going back to Al Harris in Dallas, I would love to see that. I played with Al in Green Bay for

five years, I believe, and Al was an unbelievable teammate, unbelievable player. I know he's been a great coach for a while now. They say he's a genius, AJ. Al was one of the... I think I've said it on here before. he is one of the most positive upbeat great teammates and he would sit out there and not want to play any zone not want to hear anything he's like i'm gonna lock this dude up don't tell me anything like i'm gonna jam at the

line and i'm running with him and i will i will lock him down all night long and that is that's who al is that type of mentality is what dan quinn is getting jobs because of right yeah george shefter described big dan qu Quinn is and why the commanders like him. Always upbeat, always uplifting, high-energy guy. It's like that's a weapon. They talk about being a fountain or a drain. Travis Kelsey literally just talked about Butch Jones. Shout out to Butch.

Butch was the one that decided to, alongside Rich Rodriguez, decided to have me punt my sophomore year when I was not a punter at West Virginia. He was a punt team coach, and they called him Mini Rod because he was a bit fiery. Nice. He was a bit fiery. He was a GA at the time, but he's run the punt team. So I know Butch Jones very well, and to hear his name mentioned by Travis is really cool to hear. But, you know, you talk about what Nick Saban says.

You're either giving energy or you're draining energy from people. Vampires. Yeah, you're either given energy or you're draining energy from people. Vampires. Yeah, you're either an energy vampire. It's like that is the thing that happens whenever you're, I mean in football and it should be viewed in every aspect of life. Like you're either given energy or taken energy from people. Dane Quinn seemingly

is a guy that is just giving energy to people and it got him a head coaching job. I mean that's a massive weapon to be able to be is a guy that brings energy to people. Yeah, it got him a head coaching job. I mean, that's a massive weapon to be able to be is a guy that brings energy to people. Yeah, it got him a head coaching job, especially after down the stretch. The Cowboys' defense was great early,

and obviously Deron Bland sets the record for pick sixes and all that kind of stuff. But down the stretch, that was kind of what everyone was talking about. It was like, hey, when this offense is humming, the Cowboys are unbelievable. But their defense, he was the hot name early, and their defense like they you know he was the hot name early and then kind of we saw what happened down the stretch so for him to still get a job and still get all those interviews i mean he was on he was on six or seven teams list

it's not like there was just one team who had or knew him in the past and knew all that kind of stuff it was like hey despite what you guys kind of did down the stretch here we know who you are as a person and your philosophy, and everyone kind of wanted a piece of him. Not a lot of people in this building, in our company, negative humans. No. Yeah, there never will be either, by the way. Nobody wants to be around people that suck. It's the worst.

It's a real thing. So, like, Josh Harris and Magic in them, I like, hey, like when Dan came in, liked his energy. He felt good. We could be around him. I think Mike Hey, when Dan came in, I liked his energy. We could be around him. I think Mike McDonald, probably the same thing, if you hear the way Schefter was talking about how everybody was talking about him. And you can control that, by the way. You can control your energy. You can control

your attitude. You can make that choice to be an uplifting giver of energy, as opposed to somebody that takes it. And if you want to make it, I think you should be a person that is positive, you know, and upbeat, even though some days it's hard. It's like the universe seems to reward those people. Now, are you happy because you win or do you win because you're happy is the old adage. I believe it's the second one. Now joining us now is a man who not only has won and is happy, but he's seemingly the perfect man for the job that he is currently holding.

Ladies and gentlemen, the newest head coach at the University of Michigan, an offensive coordinator who out-schemed everybody in college football this last year, Sherell Moore. Yeah, coach! this last year? Sharon Moore. Yeah, coach! Thank you for joining us, man. This is really cool that you're taking time out of your recruiting visit

to chit-chat with us. Congrats on the job and thank you for the time, Sharon. No, I appreciate you guys having me on the road here, but excited. Okay, so coach, we all just assumed you were going to be the head coach

if Harbaugh was to leave because of how you performed this past season whenever you were filling in for him late in the season now during those three games that you got to be the head job guy was it a moment in there where you're like you know I could be a head coach or yeah I want to be a head coach or when did it really strike you that being a head coach maybe even in Michigan could have been a reality for you, coach? Yeah, really, during that three-game stretch, my main focus was trying to do everything I could to prepare myself,

prepare the players to get ready to win those games. Wasn't really thinking about the future. Was really thinking about what we could do to win those games. And wasn't really a time that I thought I could be a head coach at Michigan. You know, I think that's always the goal in every coach's mind, and most coaches' mind, to be a head coach. So there wasn't really a moment, but I can tell you, after winning that last one, it was pretty special,

and it was something I dreamed about being the head coach at Michigan at some point. We saw you get emotional afterwards and give love to Harbaugh and give love to Michigan and give love to your teammates and then – or to the players, and then you heard all the players pouring support into you and it's like the perfect situation seemingly for Michigan how have you dealt with the transition from Harbaugh to you how have you addressed it with the players and you're obviously out on the road recruiting what type of questions are you being asked about your philosophies as opposed to coach Harbaugh's yeah the biggest thing people want to know is like, how am I going to run the program compared to Coach? I'm going to run it my

way. And, you know, we're still going to be tough. We're still going to be smart. We're going to be dependable. We're going to be relentless in everything we do. Continue the enthusiasm. The energy for me is a big piece of it. I want to be someone that the kids can rely on. They can be a vessel for, be very open with them. You know, my philosophy in coaching is I coach hard, but I love harder. So they're going to feel that. So, you know, the program and how we've done it and how we've built it is going to be the same. There's going to be bits and pieces.

That is me. I'm going to be me. I can't be coach. Don't want to be coach. Coach is his own person. I love him. I've got mad love for him and always will and respect him. I've learned so much from him, but I'm going to run the program my way. Hell yeah, coach. Go ahead, AJ. Ohio State Buckeye legend here. I think you

seem very comfortable in that role and also honoring Coach Harbaugh and everything you did when you stepped in. What are some of the things that you make that may be similar from Coach Harbaugh that you might carry over into the program? Yeah, the toughness, the blue-collar mentality, how hard we work on the field, off the field, the academic standard. Everything we do, we're definitely going to present ourselves in a high-class manner. We're going to continue to do that the exact same way. As far as a football team, you want to keep that as similar as possible.

The results speak for themselves. So we want to continue to play at that high level with that physicality, with that toughness and do everything, you know, in that manner. You know, but things on a day to day basis might be a little different. And we'll as we go, we'll we'll figure out what those things are. Speaking about things being a little bit different. You know, we're hearing about the old guard almost trying to get out of college football because of the new NIL and the new way that you have to kind of do things. It doesn't seem like you've had to do a lot of this and we might be wrong, but recruiting your own players every single year and then recruiting an NIL and dealing with the no guard rails. And obviously

Michigan the last couple of years has had punishments against them that no other schools have had. And the NCAA is still looming at all times it's like now for you you're only going to know this era of football of NIL football of how it's all going to go how are you balancing it all has there been like a a sit down for you to break down how the NIL works with Michigan how it's all going to go who you have at your disposal like how do you handle this new era that seemingly the old guard is trying to get away from? Yeah, I mean, I've learned about the NIL era throughout the time here and try to be involved in listening and knowing what's going on. But the official sit-downs haven't really happened yet.

I mean, I've got the job and I'm ready to get on the road. So, you know, I'd say for a first-time head coach, I've been, you know, got the job and ready to get on the road. So, you know, I'd say for the first time head coach, I tell people like the first couple of days in comparison, it's, it's minus four on, you know, it's, it's third and 12 on the minus four yard line and it's zero pressure. You got to figure out what to do with fall. It's becoming more of third and four, third and five, more manageable. And I think every single day, you know, I'll help you get ahead of the change. That's what I'm going to try to do every single day. And as far as the NIL piece, it's something that's there.

It's something that you've got to address, something that you've got to attack, and you've got to have a plan. And, you know, the plan that I think that we should have in place, we're going to start to implement, and hopefully that will keep us where we need to be in college football. All the distinguished Michigan alum love that you're the head coach. Love everything that you guys have built. Obviously, it's not the same in some other places.

So congrats on getting a head start seemingly on the pop and the positivity. I don't know if you heard it. Coach Shaben joined us every single week this season. And after losing to you guys in the Rose Bowl, he said that that was the first time we saw a team in a huddle. that was the first time we saw a team in a huddle. That was the first time we saw a team in a huddle all year. And we got to be on the field for your last two games. And obviously, A.J. played 12 years in the NFL.

He'll say only 11. All-time leading tackler for the Packers. Darius J. Butler was with us. He played nine years in the NFL. And we were watching you just out-scheme Bama. Like, there was guys wide open. They were confused. A lot of finger pointing it's like I think you showcased a massive football IQ when it comes to calling plays on the

offensive side let alone going back to Penn State where you run 32 straight times and say let's get this entire win are you still calling plays and how have you developed as a play caller and as an offensive strategist as we lose your and your back how have you developed as a play caller and as an offensive strategist, as we lose your – and your back. How have you developed, do you think, to get to this point? Yeah, as a play caller, you know, I haven't thought about – you know, I've thought about, but going back and forth as far as the play calling piece, you know, we'll point out OC here soon and we'll talk about that.

But, you know, developing as a play caller, that's taken a long long time it hasn't just been uh this year it's been years and years i've got to sit alongside some really good play callers uh sean watson when we were at louisville with teddy bridgewater um you know being around kevin wilson when he was at oklahoma with sam bradford as a player being around uh morse watts when i was at central Michigan, somebody that's been in the game for a long time. And then, you know, Josh Gad is here, Pep Hamilton here, Coach Harbaugh. Like, it's been something that it's allowed me to develop my own style. And, I mean, we have a phenomenal staff, so it's not just me. I'm just the one that pushes the go button on game day.

But, you know, we've developed a great plan, and it's really all about our players and what they can do. And we've got really smart players, so we can do a lot and make it look like a lot and sometimes it not be a lot. And I think our kids just believe in the plan and go attack our plan full throttle. Yeah, I think it worked. I think it worked, Coach. Speaking of Coach, Chuck Pagano has a question for you, Jerome.

Coach, congratulations on the job. Big fan of Michigan. My nephew, Carlo Kemp, played there. You probably know Carlo, obviously. But I know you've had some transition there. I see where Jesse Minner is probably going to go with Jim over to L.A. Have you replaced Jesse? Is there a guy on the staff that you're going to elevate?

And is the rest of your offense and defensive staff pretty much status quo staying in place? Yeah, I mean, we haven't replaced the defensive coordinator yet. We've got a few names and people in the boat to do that. And we've got a great staff. We've got great people here on the staff that we're trying to keep. We're going to try to retain. And so the staff is starting to shape out bit by bit every day, and I think by next week or so we'll have that in place.

Congrats on that. That's not easy, finding the right people to fit the culture. Speaking of that, Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Coach, obviously you want to find the Michigan men that you're looking for. You just said earlier on you coach hard and you love even harder. But when you're looking for those players, how do you know when a player can take that hard coaching because obviously now there's been talk about how it's difficult to coach guys hard because now there are options where they can leave and take other deals uh so how do you find those players

and what characteristic do those guys have that others might not that you look for specifically yeah i mean there's a there's a whole bunch of things that's a great question because characteristic do those guys have that others might not that you look for specifically? Yeah, I mean, there's a whole bunch of things. That's a great question because I don't think, obviously, you can't see that on film. You can't see that even in one conversation. It's building a deep relationship with the kid, with the coaches, with their families to see how they've been raised, how their parents raised them, how do the parents talk to them. There's a whole bunch of different factors. So there's not really one. it's very hard to pinpoint it i think the relationship just has to really grow deep so you can figure out what type of kid he is uh if he if he loves to be coached hard if he wants to be coached hard and then if he loves football so we always tell guys if you love football you'll

love playing here uh whenever you hear the term michigan man and i think i i saw in the parade you were asked about like hopefully one day I'll be able to earn the title of being a Michigan man and then when I got to talk to coach Harbaugh at the national championship he said whenever I'm dead and they throw dirt on me well dirt on the wood I guess he corrected himself yeah he corrected himself and then he said uh if they say he was a damn good Michigan man that'll be enough for me I assume that's a big piece of your recruiting and trying to uphold the Michigan man title, I would assume, Coach? Yeah, for sure. We want people that want to be Michigan men.

It's a united front, a brotherhood, tough, blue-collar, hardworking, that do everything the right way in any way possible for the person next to them. hardworking, that do everything the right way in any way possible for the person next to them. It's a brotherhood that's really unbroken and excited that hopefully one day I can be that. Yeah, you are, Paul. Okay. Anytime you've got Saban's entire coaching staff going, we don't know what the hell they're doing in the Rose Bowl,

I think you've earned that title immediately. Tone Diggs has a question for you, Coach. Coach, I think you're known best for your O-lines. A couple Joe Moore award-winning O-lines, and a top two O-line this year, I think, as far as the award goes, and that's kind of where you started. I assume as a head coach, you're going to continue to be

is that where your focus is going to be? And I know there's a lot of turnover this year, so is that kind of a refreshing feeling that after the national championship and your first head coaching experience here with the team is going to be kind of some new blood on both sides? Yeah, no, it's really exciting. We knew that we're going to have an influx of guys that leave the program,

and we knew that we'd have a chance to be really good this year. You never know how good, but the players proved to be really good and very excited about the guys we have behind them and think we have a really good group behind them ready to go and ready to compete and ready to go and try to do it again. Speaking of that, Ty, I have a question for you. Yeah, Coach, obviously being the head coach at Michigan, there's going to be pressure no matter what.

It's not like people expect you to only win six games next year and it'll be all hunky-dory and that's okay. So do you feel like there is quite a bit more pressure, not only being your first year, but obviously coming off the national championship? Or is it one of those things where, hey, as long as you guys get the job done and obviously if you continue to beat Ohio State, you're going to be a hero regardless.

So how much pressure do you just feel kind of internally considering you guys aren't coming off, you know, your first national championship in quite some time? Yeah, try really not to look at, you know, the future too much and what's going to happen and really focus on today because you can't really control it. So, you know, try to worry about and stress about what's going to happen next year, next game. It's not going to put us in a great position, you know, program

me to be where we need to be. So just really focusing on the day and that's it. How'd you get into coaching? I don't think I did enough research on this entire thing. How'd you get into this whole gig? Yeah, so I, you know, started at, I was from Derby, went to Derby High School in Kansas, went to junior college at Butler County, shout out Buco, and then went to Oklahoma. And really right after Oklahoma, I wanted to get into coaching. I knew I wanted to coach, and I jumped in.

I became a graduate assistant the next year at the University of Louisville and was there for five years and was there my first year with C. I threw over the next four with Charlie Strong, two as a GA, and then two as a tight end coach there. And then, you know, went from there. From Juco to the head man at Michigan. Let's go, Sharon. You can accomplish anything if you put your mind to it, apparently.

If you go to Juco, you can do better. Hell yeah. And not just that. With the right mentality, you can accomplish absolutely anything. It sounds like you're finding guys that are going to do that for you at Michigan. Congrats on all the success. We're happy you're the guy. We're going to bring A.J. Hawk back in here.

I don't know if you know exactly how many lives you guys have ruined in Ohio the last three years, but here's one of them. Let's keep that going, Coach, all right? Let's keep that going. Appreciate it. Much respect to you today. Hey, respect. We watched you guys – watching you guys play in person. Like, I said multiple times, like, they got some dudes over there.

Like, you guys, especially like offense, defense, you guys try to set the tone and you do it. So, yeah, it was very impressive to watch. I wanted to ask about your strength coach, Ben Herbert. I know Coach Harbaugh, I guess, is taking him with him to the Chargers, and we know strength coaches spend so much time with their players and develop the guys. Like, how big of a loss is that going to be,

and what's the plan in place for strength and conditioning? Yeah, I think any time when you lose somebody that's been with you, I mean, he's been there since I've been there for six years, so he's definitely put his footprints and handprints on the program. But, you know, it's going to be lost, but we think, you know, the guy that we elevated, Justin Trest, is going to do an unbelievable job. He's been with them side by side this whole time. He's had stints there. He had stints at Alabama. So he's seen really, you know, top-notch strength coaches in his time. So we're really excited about Justin Trest and the opportunity for him to lead the strength program and uh you know those those guys are those guys are awesome that whole

group he has they have they all wear black they all travel together if you see one of them you see all five of them so uh we're excited about excited about the future with those guys hey staying in house seems to be the right play in this modern era especially if you got a lot of great people in the building hiring is a difficult process you've got a lot of great people in the building. Hiring is a difficult process. You're in the middle of all that. The way you describe your team, and I was never somebody that was going to be accepted to Michigan ever, okay, academically.

They were never going to say, you know what, let's go to Plumboro, Pennsylvania and get this guy into Michigan. But A.J., I think the reason why he said what he said was because as we were watching your team, your team, hey, dogs, dude, just like absolute dogs. And you say the first thing you're looking for is like blue collar guys. Is there just for me as somebody that might not fully understand, is there a plethora of super smart blue collar guys still out there in 2024 coming out of high school? That's a real question. Yeah, I don't know if there's a plethora, but there's enough.

There's enough out there that will do it. And we're going to go find them. All right, well, that's hope for society. I got hope for society then, Coach. We appreciate you. Good luck the rest of the way, pal. All right, appreciate you guys. Thank you for having me.

Hey, congrats on the natty. Ladies and gentlemen, head coach of Michigan, Jerome Moore. Yay, coach! I was just thinking about that as he continued to describe his team. Like, we want blue cards. Because all you think of, no offense to Michigan, and you guys have had enough people speaking from your side on all different platforms and avenues because of how successful Michigan grads are

and how loud they are about being Michigan people. Just have one first hour. Bingo. Schefter with this whole thing. So a lot of people. My idea is like, and it's different, obviously, after you meet people. But without knowing anybody from Michigan, I'm like, yuppies. Okay.

Soft. Nepotism. Handed everything. Yeah, they might be smart. Cool. You can read a book. Good. You're a puppet to other people's words.

Sweet. But that is kind of my thoughts on what Michigan was. And then we go up there to do college game day, and I get a chance to meet the people. I'm like, these people are actually pretty cool. This is actually a pretty nice place. Nice place. I did not expect these people to be as nice as they are.

And then you watch their football team, and it's like, they're there to fight you. And it's like, that was not my preconceived notion at all. So I apologize for that potentially being how I viewed it. But I don't think I'm the only person that kind of viewed Michigan that way. And what Harbaugh, Sharon Moore, and that entire staff has done, I think, is represent how the school actually is, which is like, hey, we're a hardworking, this is a hardworking place. Yeah, we might be incrediblyworking, this is a hardworking place. Yeah, we might be incredibly intelligent, but we get after it.

And obviously they've reaped the benefits of it, beating Ohio State three straight years. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And winning a national championship. In Columbus? AJ, they're like, I'm not going to say it. I'm not going to say it.

You might as well. Well, everything that we thought about the, well, the Ohio State team is. The old teams. You know, like what I would have thought of like Ohio State, just my preconceived notion, is what that Michigan team was. Like super disciplined, very creative, physical football team. In the big moments, they showed up. It was like everything about their team took on an image,

and he said it like blue collar. Like I did not expect that. I love it. And they're hiring from within. It's like we're going to keep this thing around there. Much different Michigan than what I thought it was before i knew anything about anything aj yeah and it also feels like this this team at least that we got to watch this year in person they were like developed there a lot of them were developed in michigan they came in they we had a lot of guys with experience playing there's a huge like there's something to that

and every team's trying to find a way with this whole nil situation how to win like how do we bring in a couple guys from the portal to plug them in but i don't know like there's all different ways to go about how you do but if you could build from within and kind of develop your dudes and go undefeated with the national championship i think that's the model i would like to do yeah i think we should all be trying to find that if we're not but like the pride in michigan you know yes like some places have that like the pride but it feels like that is something that's disappearing in a lot of places because the amount of contracts and money that's available in a lot of different schools and i don't blame anybody for taking however they're getting changed life-changing money

at a very young age not only for themselves their family and everything you do what you got to do but there is a ripple effect a side effect of that for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction and the pride in school in program is potentially one of the things that are kind of being lost in it all like we didn't hear when alabama nick saban retires and it's open it's like all we heard about is gone gone gone gone gone, gone, gone. Like the Michigan guys, even the guys that didn't play and were like waiting for their time to play, they're like, Michigan's, we got pride in Michigan. This goes back to kind of what Bama was

whenever they didn't make the college football playoff. They were playing in Cotton Bowl maybe? Kansas State. Something like that. And number one overall pick played. Why? Because Alabama. Number three overall pick played. Why? Because Alabama. Number three overall pick played. Why? Because Alabama.

It's like pride in school. And if you can find that and develop that, that's going to win every time in the end, I do believe. Absolutely. That was their identity. Having a nephew that played for Jim and Greg Madison coached him, recruited him, they've got the very best in everything. When I was out in 2018, I went to one of his home games.

They were playing Penn State at home there, and everything that I saw was just the best of the best. The facilities, the coaches, the way they fed them, AJ's point, the way they developed them, academics. Guys don't miss class. They don't miss study hall. They just don't do that. And they're going to take a young kid, they're going to go on a home,

and they're going to tell them X, Y, and Z, and then they're going to follow through with it. And the ultimate thing is he's going to get coached. Like, everybody wants to go to the next level, right? They want to go to the NFL. They're going to get them there. And they're also, by the way, you're going to get a degree. You're going to be.

What's that? Michigan Connections. And then the connections are like sick. Everywhere. Like sick. Yeah. If you play there and do well there. Like J.J. McCarthy.

Okay. People are saying he's going to the NFL. He's going to be a first-round draft pick. Cool. I hope he does. Seems to be a winner. Yes. Okay.

Always has been. I think his record, high school and college, is the guy does win. But if he was not to, like something happens, can't throw a football anymore, something happens there, it's like J.J. McCarthy good for what he did at Michigan forever. And those types of things are added benefits. So if you're recruiting people to become Michigan men, then whenever the transfer portal or the NIO and everything,

that all of a sudden isn't even a part of the conversation anymore because the main reason you're coming, and obviously there's money, but you wanted to do this. This is what we were here for. And you're going to lose people, and it's not going to work for everybody, but they seemingly have a machine built now. And with the transfer and passing of the torch, which, or passing a baton, which I think is how Harbaugh actually described it, they've seemingly done it seamlessly. And congrats to them. And boy, it sucks for Ohio State.

Yep. You know, and boy, it sucks for the team down south. And I think that's why you see Ryan Day and the boys, 13 million in there. We got to stop the bleeding here against a machine that's come up north. Is that how you're seeing it? Is that how you're seeing it as well?

No, I mean, I don't see anything of whatever they're doing. I don't know. Yeah, Ohio State's got to beat them, no matter what you have to do. But now, Ohio State, it feels like they finally jumped into the NIL game like some other schools are. That's what they're doing. All in. Yeah, but what we're saying is, I do believe it's mostly because

the Michigan success has really… Well, you've got to win. Yeah, you could go undefeated I do believe it's mostly because the Michigan success has really... Well, you've got to win. Yeah, you could go undefeated if you lose to Michigan every year. It doesn't matter. You're out of it. I do appreciate that. The Ohio State Buckeye fans tweeting to me and others, go look up the overall record Harbaugh has against Ohio State, please.

Okay? Yay. There's another Michigan coach that leaves Michigan a loser against ohio state i'm like if that's how you're selling it to yourself if that's if that's how you view it on you okay i appreciate that i like the optimism and the love for ohio state but that fans love for ohio state is seemingly the love that all the players in michigan's locker room have for Michigan and leading the way. And you think about Hutch. I mean, you think about Hutch. Oh, yeah.

He was like the face of it. Blue collar, but Michigan guy. He's like that perfect person for that. Yeah, and he's huge. Yeah, massive. And he's very fashionable. Of course. We know that about Hutch.

It's hard to get blue collar and fashion normally in the same. George Kittle's pulling it off. Yeah. Kelsey. Travis Kelsey. George Kittle's pulling it off. Yeah. Kelsey. Travis Kelsey. I didn't know George was fashion. Hey, after our conversation yesterday with Travis Kelsey, I think a lot more positive reaction than I thought there was going to be.

Now, granted, when Schefter rips our video and posts it on his own thing, when he could just tweet the same exact video. Thank you. When he does that and Connor was not happy and Gumpy certainly threw his phone at one point whenever he saw it take place. Shefty, come on. Pow. Pow.

It's the exact same clip. I don't understand. But, like, Shefter's followers are all NFL people looking for information. So it was actually nice to kind of go into his and see the reaction. There's people that hate Patrick and Travis. Yes.

Like, certainly people that hate that. But travis yes like certainly people that hate that but i think a lot more people like i think we're reminded like travis kelsey is just an ohio you know what i mean like he is a football guy at the end of feels like he's still himself doesn't like that's what in the face of all this it could be easy for him to try to be all corporate and buttoned up and not try to mess anything up but he feels like yeah watch him and his brother watch him on here he's just he's the same travis and i can't say this enough just because we've seen it with not only us but with a lot of people a lot of easy money for him to potentially grab too if he just wants to act like uh yeah you know oh yeah if he just wants if he just wants to just do this like the amount of money that he could potentially profit from

everything that's happening right now, and he still he said, we were going to run out there and get a 15 yarder on Justin Tucker. That's not the perfect human image that he could easily just try to... I appreciate that. I'm very thankful he took time to join us. It was on today's show this morning. That's cool.

We're on today's show. With Katie Couric. We've been on there a few times. Sweet. We've been on there... This one was for good news. Katie Couric was on there. A little more positive. What's that, pal? Who's on. With Katie Couric. We've been on there a few times. Sweet. We've been on there. This one was for good news. Katie Couric's on there. A little more positive. What's that, pal? Who's on there? Katie Couric?

She's on the Today Show? I thought so. Hoda Kotb. 1998? Yeah, certainly. She's old generation. Who are you guys on there for? It's not Katie Couric.

Well, it's this time? No, it's not. This time you're talking about? Or the previous like four times? What about last time? What about previous times? Previous. Yeah, not a lot.

It was in... AJ's lighter. There was actually Kaylee Hartung. You know, she covers the Amazon Prime. And she's in the sports world. I think the last couple times that we've been mentioned on that show, she has had to go to bat for, like, our program. So we appreciate her doing that.

We love you, Kaylee. Thank you for doing that. Because I think they were like, so this show. What is this? Who are these guys? Exactly. And she's like in the sports world, so she's let them know. Carson Daly has talked about us before.

He's pronounced my name wrong, but now I think he's, you know, we're off. Like two years ago. On the drinking show with Blake? No, see. Not barmageddon. I don't want to break any news, But I was potentially invited to go participate in that But it was filming literally day Before

Wife's expected due date So I wasn't able to do that So I got a lot of love for everybody Over there and everything But yeah they were talking positive about our program Which is good Because we got a lot of answers about Tavis A lot of answers about Tavis yesterday

That I guess the world didn't know about Well I feel like that's why a lot of the stuff wasn't as negative even though it was about tavis is gumpy does a great job like putting the quotes of what kelsey was saying and the stuff that he put as the captions of what he was saying it was like even if you didn't want to listen to the clip and you were just scrolling you can't you can't because like the stuff that he was saying as the quote as the caption was like, okay, if that's what this is about, let me actually listen to it. People, a lot of the times, don't actually

listen to what you or whoever's on the show are saying. There's still people saying, he can't tell Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers Tuesday ended. It's a standard operating procedure that football ended and there's still people that view that, especially after yesterday's conversation with Travis. You talked Tom Brady

and Travis Kelsey, huh? Mr. Pfizer. Look at you guys. Wow, look at this guy. Don't up for the mask. Same exact thing as every single year. Is this a football program? You don't know? Chalk. We talked of football and we talked football players. We do a lot of stuff.

He was awesome yesterday. Travis? Do you know him well? No. We do a lot of stuff. He was awesome yesterday. Travis? Yeah. Do you know him? No. That was a great interview. He talked about being a fountain. Yeah, your socks are sweet. I have not seen your socks. They're just making a...

Ah, neat. Look at you. Those are fun. Yeah, those are neat. Fun grandpa. That's fun. Those are fun socks, Chuck. Who got you those?

Bear? You know, when I woke up yesterday, before I started to travel, and I was thinking about, you know, I was watching Travis, and, you know, not half full, this all the way full. I wanted to come in here as full as I could. You did? Because I've got an attitude of gratitude. Hell yeah.

I appreciate it for you guys. And today. Got us lunch. Spot lunch. And you mentioned, like, I used to have some players like, did you wake up this morning with just the idea that you're going to come in here

and try to make my life and everybody else's life miserable in this building? Is that the idea? The energy vampires that Saban always talks about? Yeah. There was dudes

that that was their mission. How can I ruin Chuck's day? Is that Orlovsky? Is that Dan Orlovsky? He never coached big dan the woe is me guys like the bitter guys that woe is me there's a very everyone knows a couple of them well and also they're normally the people who are the most lucky too like hey if you were to really start looking at your situation and everything you're actually the most lucky person

out of all the people and now we're dealing with your bullshit more than all the people. You can start really singling in on, oh, if we want to get better, who do we potentially? Oh, we all feel this? Yeah. Okay. I thought so. Yeah. And it's very obvious.

Now, if you have a team that's filled with those, you're going to suck. That's just how it's going to be. And it's hard to point out the ones. But if you're close to getting to, like, that elite, great level, normally it's just identifying the couple that are, and then. It's being selfish. You're a selfish teammate. If you're one of those woe is me, bitter guys that complains about everything,

it's a very selfish move. No. Remember, they got it all figured out, though. Well, everyone's, oh, you don't get screwed. Like, you should see what they're doing to me. The feeling when you walk in to a locker room and that guy is no longer there, whoever that guy is, how awesome that is, MJ. You've been in locker rooms like, oh, my God, I've got to see such and such today.

I've got to talk to this dude. I've got to coach this dude. And all of a sudden, he's out? Oh, man. Yeah, what's it like as a coach, Chuck? I can't even imagine you guys. The players are – The teammate is one thing, but, yeah, as a coach, how do you handle that, Chuck?

You have to be a professional. It's like in college, like Saban talks about the energy vampires. You spend 90% of your time on 10% of the population. Those few guys that are all the list guys didn't go to study hall don't practice well doesn't study doesn't watch his ipad he's a bad teammate he's miserable he didn't pick up after himself and he's just yeah and when those guys get like oh you walk in chuck showed up at work uh 20 25 minutes early yeah we're going in here floating yeah i could it's it's not just you guys the players feel the same way even the people Chuck showed up at work 20, 25 days early. Yeah, we're going in here. Floating.

Yeah, it's not just you guys. The players feel the same way. Even the people that are potentially in the same group as that player or know the same player, they all know that, boy, this whole building got better. So what we're trying to tell people is don't be that person. Right, AJ? You know what we're trying to say?

It's a choice. Chuck said it's a choice, right? You got to make that choice, and you walk into that facility every day. Like, no, I'm lucky to be here. I'm going to be, not only am I going to be a positive influence, I'm going to hopefully make people around me happy to be here as well. Hey, we're lucky to be alive. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. I mean, aliens could kill you tomorrow. You never know. You should be excited today. Anybody could kill you tomorrow. Not just aliens. There's a lot of ways to die. Yeah, but these are negative.

Remember, we can befriend an alien tomorrow We cannot die tomorrow Karma is real When you give back Like Just Travis, hey pull, give back Serve others, I mean do good

In this world Why is my life so good Why is things so good why is it getting things why is things so good why are things look why didn't i caught that path and it doesn't have to be money or financial stuff no no it's just like energy almost and there's a documentary on netflix and i assume whoever did all the research is a doofus that we shouldn't listen to and their opinion means nothing but there's like some scientific thing. Oh, yeah.

That if you put positive vibes into the universe, there's positive vibes coming back. Now, show me the data. Of course. You know, not going to be able to do that. Analytics. Hey, hippie, take it easy. Obviously, that whole thing.

But I'm a firm believer in it. Always have been. And every once in a while, you got to tell somebody to go F themselves. But overall, let firm believer in it. Always have been. And every once in a while, you got to tell somebody to go F themselves. But overall, let's enjoy the hell out of the day. Speaking of enjoying

the hell out of the day, the quarterback for Alabama, as we stick in the college football world, was given a speech at his camp, I believe, down in Alabama. And obviously, a big topic of conversation for Alabama and Jalen

is the retiring of Nick Saban. Listen to this promo he cuts, and then I think it'll settle in even more why everybody seems to love that guy, and I assume Kalen DeBoer is pumped that he's still leading the program. Yeah, I miss Coach Saban. 100%. I do miss Coach Saban.

He was a big reason why I came to Alabama, but to see him go is going to be tough on us, but we have to realize that Coach Saban is 28 years from being 100 years old so so we gotta let him we gotta let him retire okay so retire in peace you know like this guy 28 years away from being 100 years old you know maybe we talk about it love the mindset that's the leader down there and he's the guy who's going to decide whether or not they're able to continue to go or not seemingly yeah i love where he's at right now

because it was just the beginning of this season right yeah you talk about a difference in mindset and positivity like he starts he gets benched right nobody knows what his future is going to look like right the other two don't play well he goes back in gets another opportunity realizes okay i need to take advantage of this and look at what he's done for himself in that program. Everybody loves him. You talk about being an energy giver. In a fountain. Smile. Saban's been saying that since the beginning. He's like the

most important player in possibly Alabama's history going forward because of what he has the capability to do. He's the one that has to be the glue. You guys talk about the locker room. That guy is your locker room right there and he's also your team. Team goes as Jalen Milrow goes and the fact that he stayed

and that's what makes the Isaiah Bond stuff so weird. Is that like, hey, of course, new coach coming in has had a lot of success on offense and the Washington stats of the three receivers having 100 yards averaging per game and he's going to be the wide receiver.

That's what doesn't make any sense to me because if your leader, your guy, I mean, I don't think I've ever seen Monroe without a smile on his face even when he got benched. And that guy's staying. Why would some of the other guys leave doesn't really make sense to me. It has to be business moves. They're going to have to be getting paid, and I think Texas paid them. Oh, I assume.

A million. Yours is there. And if not yours, Archie. We don't know what's going on. But still, like in Alabama, I think there was a lot of decisions and conversations being had before people knew exactly who Kalen DeBoer was, I think. Like, for instance, yesterday down at the Senior Bowl, there was a video that was shared burying Kalen DeBoer because people were like, oh, look at Kalen DeBoer.

Michael Penick doesn't even want anything from this angle. He goes, oh, look at Penick swat him off. And the internet was cooking Kalen DeBoer. Killing him. Absolutely cooking him. Like, this guy loses Isaiah Bond, Caleb Downs. Now he's supposed to be the guy that goes in there because he Sioux Falls. Look at his dipshit.

Pretty much. That's like everything everybody's saying about Kalen DeBoer, who just led the Washington huskies to the national championship in his second year nobody really give him any respect then we see the alternate angle and it's like uh no he was getting out of the way so the guy could get a picture just with the other coach and then he was walking back completely it's like caitlin deborah has had to go through it right now yeah he is going through it all, and it's going to happen whenever you're following Nick Saban, but I

have firm belief, especially if Jalen Milrow sticks around and continues to grow and continues to play the way he is, Kalen Boer is going to have success. That is just a matter of fact. And Sharon Moore, after talking to him and getting to learn more about him, he's going to have massive success in Michigan. So congrats

to two blue chip programs getting it right. Speaking of blue chip programs, let's go to the NFL. New D.C. in Green Bay, AJ. You're only the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers. I assume whenever you're watching Green Bay Packers games, you're watching it through the eyes

of a middle linebacker and through the linebacking core. Joe Barry, obviously a person of conversation on this particular program because Ty Schmidt was done with his shit all year, even though they put their best two games on tape, the last two games of the season. How do you feel about the hire of Halfley out of Boston College, and what do you think this means for the Packers team going forward?

I think, I mean, people don't really know, a whole lot of people don't know Halfway that well. I know he spent a year at Ohio State. I got to talk to him multiple times when he was there and stay in touch with him. He's an impressive dude. Now, everyone loves how aggressive he is, how aggressive his scheme is. Like, we're going to get up, we're going to bump and run, we're going to disrupt the routes, we're going to make sure we, like, take it to the offense. So, of course, that is what people would love to hear. And I think it will be on him getting there and really catering his scheme and what he does to the talent and the people they have on that roster.

Seems like a good hire, man. It really does. I know, at least from the interactions I've had with him and guys that have played for him, they're all big fans and say he's a great coach. Buddy, though, hiring somebody out of Boston College to people that don't do it, the immediate reaction was, oh, yeah, the Eagles. They're a good team. Of course.

Yeah, Boston College. That's who we should be looking for. Will we see this happen more? More coordinators in college taking, or head coach in college taking coordinator gigs in the NFL? So, allegedly, okay, allegedly, that is the narrative right now. And I ask for more about it because it because like the old guard of college football or even maybe some of the newer guard of college football who are getting these opportunities or had these opportunities

are realizing what the world is and what the reality of the situation is. And all of a sudden they say, we get to the top of the mountain, but the view is nowhere near as good as we thought it was going to be. And Saban told us earlier in the year that the NFL lifestyle right now for coaches... A little bit better. Much better than what the college lifestyle is for coaches. So I assume that's going to provide a lot of opportunity for new coaches in college.

But I think they should try to stop the bleeding a little bit to maybe make it a little bit more appetizing to remain in college football. Well, think about it. I mean, he coaches and recruits his dick off, okay, to develop these players and get these players into his program. And if you're a middle-tier Power Five program like Boston College is, if any of these players turn out to be good,

one of the top programs is going to come in and pay him much more money. So then all your work that you just did went right out the door. You're a minor league team. Bingo. Pretty much feeding the big schools. That's kind of how it's set up. Screw that. I'm out of here. Yeah,'s kind of how it's set up. Screw that. I'm out of here.

Yeah, I can see how you wouldn't want to do that anymore. Always scraping by to try to get some more money as well. You're always on whoever the groups are. You guys want to win more games. I need some money to bring in some of these players. That's just what it is right now. I think you embrace that. Well, you would have to.

You have to embrace that. Most schools can't get the money. If you can go get a few of those dudes and develop them, and then somebody comes and gives them a million dollars to go to Alabama, to go to Georgia, okay, I'm good with that. I just go get the other dude out of the portal. That becomes your recruit. That's how I'm going to do it.

And some teams are going to have the ability to build to the draft. The draft is high school for colleges right now. And then get a chess piece here and there for needs based on needs every year right out of the portal but guys like that i'm i'm good with that if i'm a uh what is it fcs or fb fcs the one double a's i don't know yeah you know so whatever i'm doing that i'm developing the crap out of that and saying and then having a guy go here a guy go there get paid how do you feel about all these coaches kind of bitching about the new state of college football and they're not bitching publicly but people are bitching for them seemingly uh

behind closed doors about how there's no regulations on anything there's no standards for it's coming they just got to weather the storm because they got a they got a wild wild west as it is right now everybody uses that that way to describe it. They've got to do something. And I think a guy like Halfley, who's been in the NFL, he's spent time in the NFL, most of the college guys that are there are going to stay because they haven't experienced that lifestyle, that way of coaching,

five weeks off in the summer. They just don't know any better. He's been there. He knows. Listen to the first thing he said. Five weeks off in the summer. They don't know that there's... 18 years? I was great. Because they don't know like 18 years I was great because I didn't know any better I loved recruiting had my maps out we didn't have GPS

barely had cars and we know that that thing started push it push it what you don't know you don't know what did you how was recruiting out of bedrock? Pretty good?

Yeah, excellent. They had good players? Right down the tail. Dino. Yeah. Hit the wagon. Start big. Get those Fred Flintstones rolling.

Such a hack joke about you being an old man, but you are. Yeah, it's so old. And you're experienced. You know what I mean? It's not old. You're experienced. As we continue this beautiful, optimistic Thursday. Coach them up Thursday. February 1st, 2024.

Was Chuck 10 years younger than Belichick too? Is that what you are? What are you? 10 years older. 63. Yeah. Hey, they're higher than 63-year-olds. Yeah. Who ventures more? Come on. Bill Belichick ventures more. Oh, I got no shot. But I think on the Peloton, cardio works.

Oh, bingo. Bring it on. Chuck owns them. Well, we'll no shot. But I think on the Peloton cardio. Oh, there you go. Bring it on. Check on some. All right. Well, we'll be back tomorrow for a feel good Friday. We can't thank you enough for joining us. I think we got a huge guest. Oh, yeah. Jim Harbaugh.

Whoa. Two Michigan men. Back to back days. What are we doing? I don't know. AJ must be so fucking pissed right now. He's fuming. He's shaking up air.

There's been a couple couple Michigan football bloggers who put together videos of all my picks from this year. And I did become a target of a lot of Michigan people on the internet. You led them to this. They should thank you. That's what I'm saying. They weren't saying that.

None of them were actually saying that. Oh, what's your problem? I kind of gave it away earlier, like my preconceived notions of what Michigan, I shouldn't view it that way. Oh, what's your problem? I kind of gave it away earlier, like my preconceived notions of what Michigan. I shouldn't view it that way. No, it's changed. You've changed. You've done it. There are a lot of people that are under that description that you had earlier in the show.

So that's a Michigan State fan? Yeah, there's a lot of them. As I was talking, Foxy was back there like, yeah. And then I said, and I got up there. I got to meet these people. They were cool. And Foxy. No.

Foxy's like, yeah, it's not. But I will say that the pride thing for that school, what you said was spot on because they didn't have that pride for a lot of years. And that's when Ohio State and Michigan State was kicking their ass. Then they hired Harbaugh, and Harbaugh restored that whole thing. So it was spot on. And Michigan's such like a powerhouse that even like the smaller schools in Michigan where those blue-collar people do go,

like they're still Michigan fans it feels like. We met one of Foxy's friends, great dude, didn't actually go to Michigan. Remember the first thing he said to me? What was it? You haven't picked us one time. Oh yeah, that's right. He was holding a drink. I assume it wasn't the first he had that day.

No, no, no. He's friends with Foxy. We know anything about that. Foxy's family attracts booze bags. Of course. Big time. Yeah, he – Makes them. I literally showed up.

I shake his hand. He has a Michigan thing on. And Foxy's like, this is my buddy, blah, blah, blah. You haven't picked us one time. I'm like, all right. Sorry. I thought Rutgers was going to beat you guys. They had you the first time.

I think we had a kid in the office who didn't go there who's a huge fan. Yeah, he's had quite a year this year. We learned very late in the college football season that he's a huge Michigan fan. I thought we were talking about Tone. It was grinding on Thamel? Yes. I thought it was Tone, too. That is exactly who we're talking about.

I think earlier, Pat, you summed it up well. It is lunch pail grit Michigan development against pay-to-play Ryan Day. And Bruce got the worst. All right. I mean, most of their alignment were transfers in. Bruce got pretty boozed up after the national championship and won over an old Buckeye Pete. Should I send it in?

Because I just watched it last night. It's my favorite video. We don't need to watch from that lobby. What are you doing, Bruce? Doubling down. It's one of the most awkward things I've ever seen. Connor, you told me to do it. That's not.

You said, should I? And I said, no. It was your idea. It's like AAA. It was your idea. Classic Michigan man blaming someone else. That's not Michigan man. That one is.

Anyways, Chuck, that lobby after the national championship was filled with characters. And Bruce was the biggest one out of all. Bingo. It was great to see. Booze Bruce is awesome. Yeah. Well, sometimes. Booze Bruce is vastly different than day-to-day Bruce.

I enjoy Booze Bruce. I just get to watch it in spurts, I guess. You guys are around a lot. I enjoy the shit out of him. He's a great time. I'm booze, Bruce. I just get to watch it in spurts, I guess. You guys are around a lot. I enjoy the shit out of Bruce. He's a great time. I'm not saying that at all. He's awesome, boozy Bruce. But there are times, I think boozy Bruce would admit this,

when maybe he should hop in that Uber home. I've heard him say, though, I'm doing too much. Yeah, exactly. He's also very self-aware with it, too. He gets experience in a national championship this year. All those Michigan people did, and they were enjoying it. They deserve it, man.

Absolutely. In a long time. Long season, too. Desmond Howard flying high, you know, going into that national championship. Rich Eisen, boom. Love in life. Charles Wood, I mean. Schefter.

Everybody. Schefter. Like, all these Michigan people. Rich Eisen would open Sunday's game day morning, NFL game day show, with like his feet on the fucking desk, M's on the bottom of his shoes. Like, how we doing today, boys? Like just all the way back, you know?

That type of pride, I think, is a beautiful thing. They've been waiting so long for that. So long. And I'm so happy for the people that are Michigan and Detroit Lions fans because that was the greatest football season in the state of Michigan ever for those people. Not a lot of schools have that. No. College football has that more than any other sport in America.

But that's a beautiful thing, the obsession, the connection. That's what makes college sports, especially college football. That's what makes it different and special, I think. Agreed and that's why like doing game day these last couple years and getting a chance to i'm from pittsburgh so let's go pens and let's go steelers and nfl town you know the university of pittsburgh is obviously there and has created a lot of greats in pittsburgh has its fingerprints all over football i understand that but that's an nfl town like that is that is what is so i didn't really get into college ball much. That isn't something I've known.

So then getting a chance to experience it and see it, it's like these motherfuckers would actually die right now for this place. On the spot right now, will you take a bullet for them to win a national championship? They'd be like, if my father and my father's father are going to see a championship here and my kids are going to see it yeah you know what shoot me right in the fucking head like that is they actually have that type of i have family members like that for ohio state it's awesome like that is a beautiful thing that i hope stays yeah i hope that stays because they're

talking about how much college football is changing that has to remain because that is what makes college college football the field football is a, that has to remain because that is what makes college football the field. Football is a great sport, one million percent. But that type of passion and pageantry is like why college football is so damn special and so remarkable. It's like I hope that never leaves. I do. I hope that never, ever leaves.

Well, and like AJ just said it, and we were able to watch it all year. The SEC is different. That's the saying, and it absolutely is. But watching Ty with Iowa. Big Ten's close. The SEC is different. That's the saying, and it absolutely is. But watching tie with Iowa. Big Ten's close. The Big Ten is right there. And Michigan, I mean, we're just talking about Michigan. As long as the Big Ten and the SEC don't change,

I think college football is going to be fine forever. Handful of Big 12 schools that are like that. Yeah, West Virginia, obviously. But the two most, bingo. Welcome to West Virginia's conference, the Big 12. But Texas and Oklahoma, I think a lot of people would say, and they're now in the SEC. So it's like it feels like we are going to have the schools

that are going to keep it alive and everything. But what does it look like? Seems like it's going to be the SEC and the Big 10 really, right? It is. Well, and the Big 12, obviously, because West Virginia. And the Big 10. Yeah, the Big 12 will pull Well, and the Big 12, obviously, because West Virginia. And the Big Ten. Yeah, the Big 12 will pull in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, of course. But you guys got to experience the Rose Bowl, right? Yes. That was my first year in coaching in 1984 as a G8 SC. I go to SC. We win the Pac-10. Go to the Rose Bowl. Pac-10.

Beat Ohio State. And you talk about college football, the pageantry, the Coliseum, the Rose Bowl. I mean, nothing like it. And then to be able to coach at Miami. Was Herbstreet on that team that you guys played against? It was Tom Zak. Keith Byers was the running back. Mike Tom Zak.

Herbie played in 87, I know, so he could have been younger. This was 84, 84, 85 season. College is awesome. But then going to Miami and being a part of that team in 86, we won every game, went to the Fiesta Bowl, fatigues. Oh, no. Oh, man. That was the prime era.

That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, that was like Jerome Brown, the late Rest in Peace, late Jerome Brown. Rest in Peace. Unbelievable. Get up there and, you know, that whole speed. Was Lonzo there?

Lonzo, highspith bell bratton so aj growing up uh ohio no obviously you're a football but like college football was because i got pulled over in ohio a week after i got arrested for a public intoxication i had an escalate on 24s driving back to pittsburgh because i wasn't allowed in a building so i they profiled me, they pulled me over because of the car I was driving on 70 and it was a full thing. I mean, get out of the car, the whole, we got a tip that a black SUV was coming through here with blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. And as I'm sitting on the side of the road, have you ever been arrested before? Yeah.

When? Last week. Oh, real excited. You know know they get real excited what you get arrested for i was like public intoxication where indianapolis why are you in indianapolis it's where i work okay so if we look this all up you're gonna be telling truth yeah all right we'll sit right here well i can't fucking go anywhere you got 10 cops around me right now it was the scene like it was it was not good like everything that was on there so cop goes into car i see him actually and i see him look at it and go oh then he comes out and goes if you were a buckeye we would have just drove you home and i was like thank you uh fucking where were you last week or whatever and then they immediately like do you want us to get you to the county to make up for lost time here i'm like i would just like you to leave me the fuck alone if that's okay as i get back on the road but it like in that moment there with those cops it was

like if you were a buckeye like that's how they view in pittsburgh now i'm not saying any stealers have ever got off but it would be like if you were a stealer like potentially back in the day what happened in ohio it's but it's college ball right that that is kind of what you're definitely college bombing joe burrow has done a lot for the cincinnati bangles and obviously the browns as well are better so but yeah it's ohio state is the one there we always heard stories about that where oh back like in the the 70s guys will get get in a fight on high street or whatever and the cops would take two or three of the players and drive them to woody hayes's house and wake woody up and then woody would make them run for 15 straight hours but they wouldn't get arrested yeah woody will punish them worse than we would yeah let's go

through old school it's like a movie yeah let's go throw right it's not like that anywhere anymore but just them saying that made me be like oh ohio is it's just buckeyes football that is what it is even though there is NFL teams, obviously. And they're pulling for the NFL teams to do well. At the end of the day, if you're born in Ohio, it's Buckeyes. Like in the South, if you're born into an Auburn family, like War Eagle, for the rest of your life, that's beautiful. Football!

It's wonderful. That's A.J. Hawk. The Talks Table is here at Boss Connor and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer. Cowboys tone. Diggs is here. You're looking thin, Tone. Thank you.

I appreciate that. You too. Are those mediums? No, no, no, no, no. That's a medium. There's a lot. It's baggy, isn't it? If I ever get to a medium, just throw me off a bridge, okay?

Well, I don't know how to say this to you, but we might need to go bridge searching because that looks like a baggy large. You're in Ohio, AJ. Yeah. I think he could go down to a medium. I think so. He could absolutely. Shut up.

If there was a largest small, you might even be able to squeeze into that. You look good, Tom. A medium, I think, is what he's talking about. 200.0, if I go below that, throw me off the bridge, okay? Oh. I'm an adult male, okay? So? Is that a Viore?

Chuck's 80 pounds. I don't know. Is that a Viore? Is that a Lulu? Not a fancy like you, Chuck. You are smaller. No, I mean, the way you look, as fit as you look. All right.

Watch you walk away from me. I sit in the back. You look amazing. 28-year NFL coach. I sit in the back. You look amazing. 28-year NFL coach. 36. Jesus. NFL, 28. 18.

18 in college. 18 in the NFL. Why are you trying to? Wrong across all boards. Why are you trying to move on, Tony? It's because he's wearing mediums now. Yeah. That's what it is.

Tony, this is a good thing. We're proud of you. The fancy hat you have, too. Don't say medium. Don't watch on. Hey, look at you. Fancy toe. I got it.

Fancy fit toe. Anthem. Medium to Julio. Size down to Julio. I'm back to new corner. I'm going to start lashing out. Wait, I want to want this. Yeah, well, we are not putting you in a corner.

We're putting you on a pedestal. Amen. I don't want to be there. Nobody should be there. Proud of you, Toad. Love you, Toad. Compliments, Toad. Love you in a corner. We're putting you on a pedestal. Nobody should be there. Proud of you, Tony. Love you, Tony. Compliments, Tony. Love you, Tony.

Let's go, Tony. Tony. Tony. Tony. Tony. Tony. Tony. Look at you, Tony.

Tony. Tony. Tony. Tony. Tony. Tony Diggs Thursdays. I almost messed up. I didn't do it, though.

He wants to say something about me. No, not you. Oh, yeah, yeah. Good call. I don't know. He's going to deflect to something. He does have a trump card in the back pocket. Oh, play it, play it. That would certainly put us all in an interesting spot. Especially because on this particular date,

we will visit it later for sure. 36 years as a football coach, 18 in college, 18 in the NFL. Chuck Boglanski. Hey, Coach! Chuck, we talked about you previewing the Super Bowl coming up here. And I think what everybody would love to hear from a man who was such a defensive talent, defense coordinator, became a head coach because of how long and how great you were on the defense side of the ball.

And when we talk about these two teams, we're talking about two stud defenses. Have to have a championship defense to obviously win it all. This Chiefs team will start there with Spags. Have they been doing anything different this year than they have in years past? How long have they been this dominant? And what do you think the keys are for Spags to get a win over this machine-like offense at the Niners? Yeah, Spags has been doing it at a high, high level for a long, long time.

I mean, he won Super Bowls in New York, right? The Giants. That's a long time ago. As a DC. The plan that he put together versus the Ravens last week, like if you really stop and dissect that thing, Orlovsky said he called the game like an offensive coordinator, if you remember, right?

He had all these different – so he used base defense, he used sub defense, he used dime defense, he had a 3-2 package. So he gave them a bunch of looks, and what he's known for is like double mug stuff. Both backers walked up in the A-gaps, two three techniques, two wide ends, and then a lot of zone pressures. Did none of that. So I expect something totally different out of Spagags versus the 49ers come Super Bowl Sunday. How do they stop this 49ers team?

Because they just feel like a machine. And when they turn on, they turn on. Now, against Packers, they were off. It was very wet. Then again, against the Lions, it seemed like they weren't going to be able to get going. And then they turn it on, and they're unstoppable. What does Spags need to do to get a dub over the Niners' offense?

First and foremost, CMC. It all starts with him. You're not going to shut him down totally, but you've got to limit him. You can't let him free release out of the backfield. You've got to get hands on him. We used to call it a BAM call, defensive end that's Russian. He starts to swing, release, get hands on him, try to help whoever's in coverage

man-to-man on him. And then, I think you've got to be a great tackling defense. You have to staple, because they're going to make throws, they're going to make catches. Purdy's playing at an unbelievable level right now. He's got Ayuk, he's got Debo, he's got Kittle, he's got all these weapons, right?

They're going to make plays, but you've got to limit the explosives, the run after catch, the yards after contact, all those kinds of things, make them go the long, hard way. And then through the playoffs and in the regular season, they're top three in red zone offense, the 49ers are. So they're going to have to play really good in the red zone. You're going to have to try to force field goals, eliminate TDs, force field goals down there. It's going to be a heck of a challenge. So what is Spaggs doing? Spaggs already has everything in that they already need.

They're just picking and choosing what they think is best fit for the Niners here. He's got a plethora of defense. So you do self-scout. You go back and say, okay, what have we not shown in recent weeks? Super Bowl's different because you've got more time as a coach. You're going to go evaluate the whole season, everywhere you're going to look at. He's faced this type of West Coast offense. He's faced Shanahan's offense.

What did he do in the past? What do we anticipate? You've got a lot of time, so you don't want to give him too much because you have extra time because you don't want to ankle weight the players. You don't want to bog them down. You want them to play fast. You don't want them out there thinking. He's got playmakers at all three levels.

He talked about last week after last week's game, the football intelligence of his defensive guys. He said, usually I have one or two guys like are really, really bright. You've got a guy like – wears the green dot, makes all the calls, identifies. You know, those – he's got a defense full of those guys. You don't see guys running wide open. You don't see blitz patterns where you've got two guys in the same gap. You don't have contain. You've got

freebie over here, and then we don't have a guy, oh, by the way, putting an edge on the other side of the opposite pressure. So he's got high IQ. He's got players that love ball. He's got players that can think, that can communicate. They're going to be on the same page. This week, they'll put the stuff in, because

once you get to the venue, it's just like detail and fine-tuning. There's so much stuff going on at the Super Bowl. So whenever you think about Spaggs and the success that he's had, and he talks about the football IQ, I think Deebutt said, because the way he described it is normally every team has one guy who doesn't know, I think is the way he said. Deebutt was like, normally it's like four to five, six different guys. Would you put that as a priority over potential?

Like, if a guy runs 4-3, no idea. 4-4 knows everything. Like, why do you think Veach has been able to find guys at seemingly every position with a high football IQ and not sacrifice any, like, skill seemingly? Why doesn't everybody just do that? Why didn't everybody just do that, Chuck? Why don't the Colts do that?

Do we do that? We know why the Colts don't do it. They haven't even picked it. Why doesn't everybody just get smart players, though? I think everybody's goal is to go find guys with high football IQs. They just happened to do it this year with the Skensey Chiefs defense. I think there's been continuity. I know they've got some young guys.

They've got some old guys. They've hit on, I think, Tranquil was a free agent, right? In their one year. So he fit right in. And you talk to these guys. You evaluate them. You watch their tape. And you see their skill set.

And then you sit down and you talk ball. You have a conversation with them and figure out, okay, yeah, this guy gets ball. He knows what's going on. He'll be perfect in our system. He knows why. And obviously 90 there towards ACL later in this game, which is a damn shame. And I think everybody sang his praises afterwards. So that's not good for the Spags defense.

But we assume with the way they build up that defense, somebody else will come in and make some big plays for them. It's a beautiful thing. They've become the most well-rounded they've been since the start of this entire dynasty. Yeah, for Spags, do you think he goes back to Ravens-Niners? And he's like, all right, this was probably the most successful a defense was against the complete Niners offense. Is that right where he goes to right away,

or is he first look at how they match up on defense with the Niners offense? I think there's certain parts of it. As a base defense, he's an over-front. He's not a 3-4 like McDonald and the Ravens are. Over-front means? You've got four down, three linebackers, which they play with. If you're in 21 or 12 personnel,

which 49ers are going to be in, you can play your base defense. Does that help them because they can just be in base? No, he can see what was effective and I think what they get more is like the pressure stuff because McDonald will go to out of the 3-4 versus 11 personnel, one back, one tight end, three wides.

You're going to get – everybody's pretty much four down, especially on first and second run situations versus 11. But then third down, he's going to say, okay, they ran some double mug stuff. They ran some zone pressures. They showed here, try to get the mic point going one way, right? Okay, it's coming from over here. Oh, no, it's not. Spin the safety back this way.

Bring the pressure here. Try to get a free runner. Try to, because Purdy, again, he obviously can process. He can see. He can pick things out. Try to check his oil. See if he can pick up some of these pressers, see if they have a side on, see if they have a hard on.

Just seeing if he's forward on. Yeah. That's what he's checking on. All right. Do you agree with Peyton? Do you think Peyton said he thought it was going to be a very high-scoring game? Do you think that's the case? Everybody's moved the ball in the Niners.

They've moved the ball. They've given up. So let's talk about the Niners. I mean, they had 148 yards. Detroit had 148 yards on 21 rushes in the first half of that game. They came out in the third quarter after they went down and got a field goal. They started running with Montgomery. They had five.

They had seven. They had eight. They get to a fourth down. They have a drop. They don't get it. They don't convert. And the rest is history. But they've run the ball.

Green Bay moved the ball up and down the field. So what do you think the Niners. They don't convert and the rest is history. But they run the ball. Green Bay move the ball up and down the field. So what do you think the Niners defense has to do here against the Kansas City Chiefs? Obviously you would say all eyes on Travis Kelsey? Absolutely. But you're saying the run game. You've got to start with the run. You always go and say stop the run. Why has theirs not been able to? Because they have

all the dogs everywhere. Who's that? The Niners run D and is it too much because they have the D linemen who love getting after the quarterback? There's a lot of 49ers fans coming after Chase Young a lot lately. Oh boy. A lot. Killed. He's getting beat. Discipline? You have to be consistent

with your technique, and you have to be consistent with your effort. You can find spots on tape where he's not. Interior guys, Hargrave and Armstead, it's like hit it and get it. They're penetrating. They're getting up the field. Gus Bradley, like you think about Buckner and Stewart, what they do,

they don't play technique. They penetrate and they try to disrupt and then let fast linebackers try to run everything down. That's what happens. And so when you have guys that penetrate, A.J. played behind maybe guys that did this, but if you have guys that are just penetrating and you play a good zone team, like 49ers,

they're going to run zone schemes. We call it getting one hold or two hold. Remember last year during Coach P's team, we talked about getting two hold and three hold. Nobody likes getting three hold. No. Some people probably. Jesus Christ, Chuck.

But if I'm like a three technique, and I'm a three technique, it's outside shade of the guard, right? Okay. And I'm supposed to have the B gap in the run game. Okay. Well, if I just run up the field, and I get cut off, and I get cut out of that gap,

and the linebacker's supposed to be in the A gap to that side, if I get cut out, there's a vertical inside run lane that's wide open. And so if you get cut out and then the guards, you don't command double teams. You know, AQ always talks about 22 and 23 dual, right? Yep. Okay, four hands on the down lineman.

Yep. Okay, and four eyes on the linebackers. So they're doubling the shade, they're doubling the three technique, and then they're going to work up to the linebackers. Well, if you don't have to stay on those doubles because you've got them two-hole to tackle, cuts off the three technique, and he's in Warner's face, and he's in Greenlaw's face.

So you've got blockers at the next level, and then it's Katie bar the door, and they're giving up 159 yards a game through the playoffs. And Pacheco, with the way he's been playing, they've been feeding him 20 times a game, too. It's like Andy Reid will stay seemingly committed to the run as well when other teams maybe haven't against his Niners. And you've seen people run crack toss, right, and have success on it.

Most teams, those outside linebackers like Bosa and Chase Young play with their hand in the dirt. So when they get down, right, and there's a blocker right here. Crack them with the receiver. They're called right here. So a blocker right here yeah crack them with the receiver right here so a 150 pound wide receiver just does this and they pin them and they're out of the play next thing you got you got trent will you got all these or these linemen these offensive tackles for kc they're running these truck plays and they're big guys on those little corners and you can't cut them linemen anymore they don't ever see it and you're standing up as a three four outside linebacker you're feeling that guy right there you see the top

you play right into that dude they don't see they just get pinned washed down the line of scrimmage and balls down the sideline this is i mean here's the this is the chase young play that 49ers fans basically want him cut because of yeah not only not only because of the beginning, but right there at the end as well with the old left hand out and all that type of stuff. No layout. Yeah. Yeah. Come on.

It was more just the pursuit to the ball, I think, people have. Yeah, and the effort at the end. I mean, jogging, jogging, jogging, jogging, and then, oh, I'm trying. Yeah, I mean, this is the playoffs, baby. This is NFC Championship game. You know, they talk about the speed of everything heightening i think the speed gets higher because everybody's selling out on every single play as opposed to maybe holding for the next one so whenever you see somebody not doing it you start to wonder

what the hell's going on we assume that'll get fixed for super yeah and it wasn't just him i mean the packers were running that crack toss right at uh bosa all night and the same deal just taking him out of the play but how imperative is it that the 49ers start fast? Because I think if they concede 17 points for the Chiefs, it doesn't seem like the Chiefs are the kind of team that are going to let that, especially with the way Pacheco's been running.

They're not the young Packers and the young Lions. If the Chiefs get out to a 17-point lead, it seems like they'll be able to kind of weather that storm. And how come teams don't start fast? Yeah, I mean, they're scratching their heads, especially them. These last two playoff games, they certainly know how to finish. They certainly know how to play in the fourth quarter. But digging themselves

a hole, to your point, if they dig themselves a hole against Kansas City, they're not going to just chew the clock up. Yum, yum, yum, yum. Hand it to Pacheco. They don't give up points in a second. A little throw to Kelsey here, Rasheed Rice, and they're not going to give the ball up. And before you know it, you've got no possessions left to catch up. And you've got Pat Mahomes, the greatest quarterback of this era right now.

He's on Mount Rushmore? Yeah, if you're a Mount Rushmore quarterback, it has to be. Some of you olds, though, don't put him on there. Yeah, I figured. Some of the olds. Tarkington. AFC Championship, every game he's been started, right? Yeah. Six straight for Andy Reid. Yeah, six straight. Four out of the last five AFC Championship every game he's been start, right? Six straight for Andy Reid.

Four out of the last five Super Bowls. Chiefs are giving up seven points in the second half this year. Averaging. Averaging giving up seven points in the second half. He's only given up three points in the fourth quarter in three playoff games. This is a completely different Chiefs team. This is not the Chiefs team that is normally chatted

about though. I think that's why people maybe underestimate the Chiefs, because they have a dominant defense right now, and they're playing like it on the offensive side of the ball. You're not going to gash. I mean, they'll have some plays against them. Chuck, what do you think? I hear a lot of pundits saying that the Niners are going to line up in big people and try to pound the ball on the Chiefs.

Do you think that's going to be the case? Well, I think what that'll do, if you're getting two tight ends and three tight ends, 12 and 13 personnel, you can keep them in base defense and keep them out of those other fronts and pressures that they like to do in third and long situations. So if you want to

just see base defense and you want to go against that look and you feel like you're going to have more success, then stay in 21, stay in 12, stay in 13 personnel and pound the rock like that. Well, the Niners do that. I mean, Juszczyk, obviously, they got big Christian McCaffrey will run in between the tackles. They'll move Trent Williams.

All over. They can definitely do that. And then you can do some tempo. Like, guys get tired. Like, Chris Jones goes and then when he gets tired, like, but you go tempo, you can keep people from subbing. You get right back on the ball. You can't get guys in and out of the game.

And take your shots, too, whether D-line and D-ends are tired. That's when you take the shots downfield. Was it earlier in the year whenever we saw the team actually plan for when, was it Bosa or was it Miles Garrett? I forget who it was. They're going to take shots. We saw inside the NFL mic'd up where quarterback, offense coordinator, and

head coach were literally just running an offense to get the defensive end off the field and then, okay, now, hey, off the field here. Off the field, let's take some shots. And then also they ran hurry up to keep off the field. It's like you're actually playing against some players. Bosa's obviously one of them with the way he's played over the last couple weeks.

Absolutely. What a dog, dude. Him talking to obviously one of them with the way he's played over the last couple weeks. Absolutely. What a dog, dude. Him talking to Purdy, we have the video. Nick Bosa and Brock Purdy chit-chatting after the game, after winning the NFC Championship, is a hilarious thing for some people to see probably for the first time. So the fact that you just are doing this, blows my mind.

All of us, bro. All of us. It's crazy. Did you think you'd be this good? I think I've asked these people. I know, but did you, like, how much confidence did you have? That was the second pick of the draft, and I lacked confidence. That was part of the game, but, ah, David.

You mentioned, brother, six minutes. Brock looks like he's 12. He does, yeah. Brock looks like he's a 10-year-old out there, and he's like... It's kind of uncomfortable for him, too, it feels like. Yeah, like, easy, Bosa, please. Because I assume... We got it.

He holds Nick Bosa in high regard. Like, I assume the way he views all his teammates is like, hey, these are like heroes, almost, like superstars because of who he is, and they're all looking at him like, what is wrong with you? There is something different about this particular character right here in Brock Purdy. Yeah, and it has to give them just so much confidence

when they have won these games. Like the fact that they shouldn't be in the Super Bowl. Obviously, they have the skill for it. No, remember they got the most loaded roster. Of course. It's like, no shit. That's a profession by people. Every roster for the last

50 years in the Super Bowl has been loaded. It's like the fact that they are still winning these games when they're down 24-7 and whatever they were down in the Packers, 21-3 or whatever it was. That just has to give them even another level into what you said. Yeah, they have defensive player of the year.

They have the best left tackle in the game. They have the best running back in the game. They have the all pro tight end like all those things and then you add on the fact that they're winning games from these like absurd deficits in the biggest moments like they they must just be flying as high as possible have you made a lean yet do you have a lean on where you're headed for the game will you waver will you waffle no you know what's going to happen already well Well, it's not wasted. I mean, I don't. You know who I like and what I'm going to go

with and why. We're going to see you in Vegas next week, right? Oh, yeah. Chuck ain't missing a chance to go to Vegas. What's the casino called? Bellagio, baby. You're talking about Uncle Pete's? Uncle Pete's. The Q-Zip. Yeah, the Q-Zip casino. The Q-Zip. Did they reach out to you after last week? It was a Cactus Pete's. Sorry. There it is. C? Uncle Pete. The Q-Zip. Yeah, the Q-Zip Casino. The Q-Zip.

Did they reach out to you after last week? It was the Cactus Pete. Sorry. There it is. Cactus Pete. The old basketball club. Did they send you a message? They've renamed one of the rooms.

The Pagano Suite. You can definitely smoke in that room. If we know anything about Cactus. They are extremely appreciative. First piece of marketing in the history of that casino. Hey, can't wait to see Cactus Pete someday. But Chuck's plugged in Vegas, too. Oh, yeah.

Chuck is... Big time. Oh, Chuck and Miss Tina know some people in Las Vegas. I've reaped the benefit from that in the past. And I believe the boys and I will be reaping the benefit of it again next week. We can't wait to see you out there. But don't give your pick now, I guess, if you already got it figured out what's going to happen.

He's locked and loaded though. He's not going to change. That's what he just said. I'd like to hear what you have to say. I'd love to hear what AJ and the boys, what everybody else thinks. What about the Pro Bowl? Have you checked the Pro Bowl? Do you have a lean on the Pro Bowl?

What do you like in the games tonight? What about the Pro Bowl games Do you have a lean on the Pro Bowl? What are you liking the games tonight? What about the Pro Bowl games? No. Who's winning dodgeball? I'm glad that guys still get to get recognized, but we were talking about it earlier. How did we get to this? QB skills challenge. It's like we blinked and got here.

It was like one day it was fine, and then one day it was the worst. The worst? We can't wait. It's not the worst. I mean the actual game before it switched to flag. You can't play football. You can't half-ass football games. Full contact.

It's not like the NBA. It's not like baseball. Football is either. Football or it's not. Agree. You let it happen, though. No, because the year that I went, Rivera was coach of the NFC team. I had the AFC.

Okay. And our boys played. Really? That was a draft. It was Jerry Rice, I think, Dion. Prime. I had Prime. Prime was our head coach.

Smart. And I think Jerry was on the other side. And we drafted players, right? And you remember the killer safety from the Browns, T.J. Ward? T.J. Ward, yeah. He killed Gronk. No, not Gronk. He did have a Gronk leg where he broke his leg.

But, yes, I remember him. But the wide receiver, talented, talented guy that traveled around a bunch of different teams, had problems with a bunch of different teams. He was his teammate. Josh Gordon. Josh Gordon. So Josh was on the other team. So it was NFC coach, AFC coach, but they were drafts.

We had a combination of all players. And they threw a ball over the middle, and we're like, we're going to play this game on the outside. We're not meeting. You guys can go have your fun. We're going to do an hour walkthrough every single day. We're not going to have meetings just as long as you guys show up to the bus, you're on the bus, you go to the practice, we have a nice walkthrough,

we come back. I don't want nobody missing nothing. Everybody could with that. Yes, that's perfect. That works fine. Deal, deal, deal. And we're going to play. We're going to compete and we're going to play.

Otherwise, this thing is going to go away. They had us talking about it back then, that it was on the verge. What year was this? 13? I think it was 2013. Watch. That's his teammate. And so we're looking at each other.

Okay, we're playing. That's who we're talking about yeah and there was obviously some guys there that weren't trying to mix it up and i think you talked to them as well white jerseys hey boys understand that there's probably not everybody wants to play but we're going to try to win this thing and it just has one year after the next it just kind of become like understood expected and the standard is like we're not wasting any energy on this right we're not rolling the dice on any of this. And now they're trying to bring it back.

So what's tonight? This is a skill challenge. Is it just tug of war? No, brother. Dodgeball is tomorrow. Tonight. QB challenge. Kick, tack, toe.

Will they throw at the golf carts driving with the targets? Because that's one of my favorite. The punt catch is tonight. How about tack, toe. Will they throw at the golf cart and drive with the targets? Because that's one of my favorite. The punt catches tonight. How about that video of Dan Marino? We're talking about ESPN socials doing their thing. Dan Marino delivers a 45-yard strike to a golf cart, and it's still going through the golf cart

in the middle of it with paint on the end of the ball. I couldn't even imagine how many guys threw balls and got fucked because the paint didn't work with the end of the ball. I couldn't even imagine how many guys threw balls and got fucked because the paint didn't work with whatever back in the day. But the quarterback carnival thing has been entertaining. That's awesome. And they have other players throwing, not just

quarterbacks. What a ball. Had to hit a bullseye to win, right? It wasn't like dying at the thing. Still going, by the way. Zubaz. By the way.

That thing is on a rope. I heard Gump say earlier that was from like 10 years ago. I think that's 30 years ago. Dan looked tanned. 20. I mean, he just threw an 80-yard bomb off a boat to Messi's soccer ball. I mean, the guy's still doing it. What are you talking about?

I didn't say that. Dan the Man, new Michelob Ultra commercial. Oh, really? Is it real? Dan Marino with Messi? He fired that thing. Yeah, it was definitely real. Messi hits it to him on his yacht.

Dan catches it, goes, Dan the Man, throws a 90-yard soccer ball back to the beach. And it's not edited? No. No, it's real. Legit. It's legit. Not a flub.

No. No. No flub. We's real. It's legit. Not a flub. No. No. It's not. We have that clip. I haven't seen that. I've not seen this clip either. Copyright music, probably. I don't know if we can.

It's pretty similar to Tom Brady when he got a hole-in-one. It's very, like, you know, that was definitely legit. What's your guys' deal? Why is everybody leaving me astray? Dan Marino, Pittsburgh legend,

hero. I thought for sure he still had it, still throwing it. He does still have it. You remember that Steph Curry Sports Illustrated Huck thing? My God. That's what you just said.

That one we got. Was that thing fake? I'm not saying it to you, Chuck, but. Steph could do it, though. Dan, we know, could do it. Dan the man. Oh. Oh, Jesus.

Oh, guys. Come on. It's real. It was a duck coming out. Fucking rope. It's a soccer ball was a duck coming out. Fucking rope. It's a soccer ball. What do we? I don't like that Dan agreed to do this.

Dan Marina? Dan Marina, yeah. It goes down to the left. Look at that. He threw a draw. He threw a slider. What a dart. Just didn't actually throw it.

What's that boat name? Messi hits it back. What a kick by Messi. Oh, he starts it by kicking it back. Messi controls it and takes on the rest of the beach. I do like how he says, Dan the man. The keg of Michelob actually gets there at that time, so he kind of sets up one of his buddies for a sick goal into a hammock

and goes back and enjoys a pint with his boys. That's cool. I can't believe. That was a bummer. From what it was sold, I feel like I just got a false advertisement. I thought Dan Marino was taking that soccer ball goalie style. Tim Howard. I thought he was doing it.

That's from the way you guys were describing it. Uncle Dan just, I don't even think he was ever holding a ball. How about that? Was he on a boat? I doubt it. Dan definitely. He was on a boat. He's been on a boat. Dan Marino. Dan definitely. He was on a boat. He's been on a boat.

Dan Marina. He was on the Dan Marina. Yeah. Dan said, you pay me with a boat and some other stuff potentially. They're like, well, we're actually thinking about giving you a percentage of Michelob sales. Nope. Nope. Nope.

Nope. Nope. That's dumb. Which is allegedly the story of Ace Ventura, Pet Detective, where he was offered a percentage of the movie profit. Correct. Instead took a outright outright $30,000. That movie's going to fucking suck. Give me $30,000.

By the way. Alright, let's talk about some things that aren't football. Kaitlyn Clark, best show in town, every town she's in. There's people lined up for blocks to get in to watch her play basketball. Good for women's college basketball. Good for Iowa. And good for Kaitlyn Clark being a needle mover.

There's not a lot of these humans that exist in our world. Kaitlyn Clark has become one. She's still in college. And what she's doing is wonderful. They're paying a lot of money and waiting a long time to watch her play basketball. I can't even fathom this being a pipe dream for college basketball, women's college basketball people in charge and everything. Good for them. I can't wait for her to be a member of the Indiana Fever next year.

Maybe. We'll see. This is phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. She's a game changer. Actual. Northwestern women's, there hasn't been a Northwestern men's ticket that's went for $300. I don't think ever, probably. And people paying at least $300 to get in last night. You haven't been able to get a ticket to Carver for any of Iowa's home games

all year. It's impossible. I think she's going to break the record February 15th at home against Michigan. So, like, it's an yeah, all-time points record. Yeah. Kelsey Plum holds it right now. So, it's just, I don't know, it's crazy. And it's awesome that, like, what it's done for the school and everything

because she is. I mean, with men's college basketball right now, it seems like there really isn't, like, a definitive. I mean, I guess you could argue, like, Purdue or whatever, but there's really no definitive one team and teams are getting beat all the time so like she is kind of like that she not just women's like she is the biggest story in college basketball bar none and lsu south carolina played the other i think last week sold out barn place was insane dawn staley had a tremendous quote afterwards. Women's college basketball, we watched during the

tournament because of LSU and because of Iowa. They're riding that momentum from last March Madness into a full season, seemingly, AJ. Yeah, and I think they're going to hopefully find a way to give all these girls some COVID years so they continue to stay in college and we continue to have this momentum.

No, Kaitlyn Clark deserves to be in the best basketball, women's basketball league in the United States of America. Amen. And that's WNBA. With the best franchise in the WNBA. The Indiana Fever.

No. Vegas needs to figure out a way to trade up and get her and Kelsey Plum. No, we have the number one overall pick, the Indiana Fever. That's fine. They need to rig it. I don't know who the commissioner of the WNBA is, but do not let her. We have the number one overall pick. It is Indiana Fever.

I understand that. I don't know who the commissioner is. We need to maybe mix up the ping pong balls, make sure Indiana does not have. The Fever has the number one pick every fucking year, and they somehow continue to have the number one pick. So something's not working. That's not true. Something's not working.

I don't want to call for the head coach's job. I don't know who the head coach is. I think it's a brand new head coach. There's a problem, too. It's Larry Bird. If you want to bring in Larry Bird, then yeah. I don't know if Larry Bird's associated with the Indiana Fever, although I'm sure he's a big fan.

I'm sure he's a big fan. He might be. He's probably a big fan. Don't you know the entire Indiana Fever setup? setup remember you came on here one week and we're like oh a producer at a local news station has an impersonation of the third person in command at the indiana works for that's what he said that's what he said you guys should hear this fucking impression my god brother i mean i don't know what her name is but it's spot on it was phenomenal indiana fever number one overall pick.

Thank you. Welcome to town, Caitlin Clark. Oh, the Sparks are going to take that number one pick. No, River has them. The Sparks are thinking about trading up, yeah. But they don't have what it takes. Well, they do have two of the top four picks. They have three of the top eight.

Oh, jeez. They can trade all three of those picks. No way. Not for Caitlin Clark. How do you have three of the top eight? They do this. Don't question. The Fever had fucking 28 of the 30 picks in the draft last

year. You just do not even answer any calls. How about Andrew having to go take trips to other teams? I think he was visiting the Colts one day when I was in there. And I think

they said, or he said, or somebody said, he had to go visit the Washington football team. And it didn't seem like anybody was pumped up about it. Like, what are we even doing here? We're going to draft Andrew Luck. Kaitlin Clark needs to know that when you decide to come to the WNBA

next year, the entire city is excited for you to come. I actually don't know why I'm saying this because I do want to watch her here. So I kind of do want to. Yeah, you've certainly been swinging a heavy bat against it. I want her to win. She's a superstar. She should also be in L.A. or Vegas. Well, Sabrina Yannick is taking on Steph Curry in a three-point shooting.

And where does she play? New York. Exactly. Well, this is the L.A. or New York of the Midwest. And New York Liberty. New York. Liberty had like three straight years in the number one pick as well. And that's why they're good now.

So this is our second one. And because they fucking traded for B-Stew. Absolutely. But we got Aaliyah Boston in the future and Kaitlyn Clark. Look, she's already in the jersey. That's sick, whoever did that. Yeah. Thank you. I'm all the way back in. That's awesome. Now those seats

there in the back, you see? Those won't be empty anymore. No, we're going to fix that. Kaitlyn Clark, Connor, Espresso Martini Boys. Going to fill that place up every time she comes. I'll get season tickets if she is in it. Better get them now. How about we will as well? Okay. I will too.

Me too. It's in the summer too. I go to a fever game all the time in the summer. How many? How many? I will go to a fever game all the time. I've been to numerous fever games. Love the atmosphere.

Love the vibes. Yes. Team's waiting on a winner, and they got one cooking right now, especially with Caleb Clark coming to town. The mascot. Philly Fever. That's not the name. Who? Whatascot. That's not the name. Who? What is it?

It's not the name. Felipe Fever? No, it's Fever Pitch. AJ, stop making a mockery of the Indiana Fever. I can't. Honestly, I want her to go there because that's close enough for me to drive and watch. Which, another reason why Indiana Fever should never think about trading away

their opportunity. When you've seen these lines out the building in places. Don't do it. They wouldn't dare. They wouldn't even think about it. Golf has a lot of things going on right now. Golf has a lot of stuff happening. Obviously, Liv signs John Rahm. John Rahm preparing for his first season with Liv.

They got a new team name, this, that, and the other thing. PGA now has a collection of investors from the United States of America where they've been able to wrangle up billions of dollars in an attempt I guess to compete with the Saudi Arabia fund, the PIF, even though we had heard that the PIF was going to be buying or merging

with the PGA. Feels like a lot of clusterfuck probably happening behind the scenes, but more money is being dumped into golf and seemingly more promises are being made to top golfers. I think in the end, it's going to be good for us as golf fans and for golf as a whole, although I don't fully comprehend

how we've gotten to this point at any part of the league. Hopefully, I think everyone just wants everyone playing together at some point. I don't know if this hurts or helps it or not, but I know 900 million is going to 180 golfers or something like that, and $700 million of it is going to the top 36 or something

like that, PGA golfers. So bigger purses, tone, or what? Guaranteeds. Yeah, they're getting either percentage or equity, sorry. So yeah, they're taking care of their players, obviously, because they have to, because everyone else would go to live if they weren't. At the bottom, one of the tweets

said that this doesn't rule out the live and the PGA coming to an agreement. That makes sense. Joe Pompliano says, importantly, this deal does not include Saudi Arabia's public investment fund although the PGA Tour is still negotiating with them on a potential partnership. I thought, potential partnership?

And then they had a partnership? And then the backlash caused it not to be. Chuck, I think what we all realize is that there's people making decisions in places that maybe aren't supposed to be doing it, and that's happening in very successful places that we would assume smart people would be in positions making good decisions. And I think golf was one of them. Whenever we saw... Monaghan, is that his name?

Yeah, Jay. Monahan coming out, swinging the biggest grandstand axe, just full-on burying the players that took life-changing, generational wealth-changing money to golf less and then rallying the PGA and this is us versus them for the good of the world. And then behind the scenes being like, how much of that money do you have? And then doing that whole thing made us lose hope in a lot.

I think a lot of people lost hope. Now, some of us that were saying, like, if you get the opportunity to get $500 million and you don't come from a lot of money, like, you should certainly think about it. Well, that's bad money. Bad money's everywhere. And I don't like it. Listen, I'm not a fan of that. Bummer. That's just reality of the situation and the history of money like you should certainly think about it well that's bad money bad money's everywhere and i don't like it listen i'm not a fan of that bummer that's just reality of the situation in the history of money and who has it and who had not had it but if we can get that to other places is that not what we are potentially trying to do in the end whatever i'm gonna get attacked i did get attacked for that but then when monaghan just does behind closed doors, and then now it seems to fumble the bag, he got all the negative PR of seemingly fucking over his entire tour, and then now not following through with it so you don't get the benefit of what you potentially did that for.

None of it makes sense to me. He's not going to last much longer, right? He took that leave of absence for three weeks or whatever. Right after the announcement. Immediately afterwards because of a health decision. It's like, I don't think any of us know what the hell's going on at golf. I don't like it. They don't know.

Yeah. Well, and Rory's saying, like, yeah, it's gone too far now. I had to change my stance. That's not how I feel anymore. We need to leave guys to play in the PGA Tour. Like what Rory's doing. Because he wasn't forthright and just honest with the guys up front, too, then you have guys like Rom Levin

and some of these guys who maybe wouldn't have went to live if he would have just said from the get-go like, hey, Arthur Blank and a bunch of these baseball owners are going to inject $12 billion into it so that you guys are getting equity. It's almost like they didn't know what they were doing then realized that

they were fucked and now they're just scrambling to kind of do whatever they can to have the last grasp on the situation. Foxy has the Rory video here. I said to him, just like I said to John, like, I'm totally supportive of your decision. If that's what you feel is the right thing for you. And look, these are guys that I've spent a lot of time with. And I guess I've said this before, but I've come to the realization is I, I'm not here to change people's minds. I'm here to just try to, especially when I was at the board level, trying to give them the full picture of

where things are at and hopefully where things are going to go. Um, they can do with that information, what they want, but at the end of the day, uh, you know, I think I'm done with trying to change people's minds and trying to get them to see things a certain way or try to see things through my lens because that's ultimately not the way the world works. If people still have eligibility on this tour and they want to come back and play or you want to try to do something, let them come back. I think it's hard to punish people.

I don't think there should be a punishment for, I'm obviously, I've changed my tune on that because I see where golf is and I see that having a diminished PGA Tour and having a diminished live tour or anything else is bad for both parties. The faster that we can all get back together and start to play and, you know,

start to have, you know, the strongest fields possible, I think is great for golf. Hell yeah, Rory. Yeah. You got Rory. Well said. Rory. Yeah. God.

Now, they should just, because Rory just said that, you know, like the tooth fairy shows up, where you put your tooth under your pillow and then you wake up in the morning and whatever's under there instead, whether it's $1, $5, $10, $20, depending upon where you wake up in the morning and whatever's under there and said whether it's a dollar five dollar ten dollar twenty dollar depending upon where you grew up at and all that stuff they should just drop 100 million in his bank account from live and just say thank you thank you you're welcome appreciate it thank you thank you for doing that roar you know and then john rom seemingly being the one that like hey this guy draws eyes a lot of people like watching play and going to be in every single tournament without him being there every single sucks not good so maybe we are seeing what we

thought and i think what phil mickelson hoped for bingo at one point i think we're kind of getting there i think we're close to getting there even though it took a couple years to get to this final point golf is going to end up in a better spot. The golfers are going to end up with more money. They're going to end up with more guaranteed money. Us as fans, we're going to see more. I think it's going to end up being great. That's glass half full poured into

a smaller glass. All of a sudden, glass is entirely full. Life is good. Bruce said this to me recently, and it scared the shit out of me. He said that golf is going to turn into horse racing where only three tournaments a year, three races a year matter, and that would be the worst thing that ever happened. So that's the majors, what everybody's expecting,

and that is kind of where all the eyes are. But boy, they're going to need some big names on those random John Deere Classic weekends. Their sponsors need guarantees that those big players are going to be in the field. And I think it's going to happen, allegedly, with the money that's going to potentially be equitized into the players' pockets.

Let's go to the humanoids. There we go. What happened? Elon Musk has successfully put a Neuralink into a human's head and is now testing it. The Neuralink into a human's head and is now testing it. The Neuralink, from my understanding,

is everything you just expect it to be. It enables control of your phone or computer and through almost any device just by thinking. Initial users will be those who have lost the use of their limbs. Imagine if Stephen Hawking, which we learned a lot about, obviously, over the last few weeks, could communicate faster than a speed typist or auctioneer. That is the goal. Okay. So just being able to control things with your mind is now the thought of what Neuralink is, which will then change into Neuralink being able to dissect things that you're seeing in real time and give you answers.

Make you the smartest person alive. So what I'm saying is we need to keep these things out of sports. Have to. Yeah, I would believe, yeah. We need some guardrails in place. Yeah, we need to keep the Neuralink humans out of sports because if all of a sudden Mac Jones is able to process a defense like Brock Purdy is able to do it,

then what's the separator between Brock Purdy and Mac Jones? You know, if this Neuralink, as the ball is being snapped, is able to do the Amazon analytics, these two guys probably come in, circle them with red, and all of a sudden they're seeing that.

And then all of a sudden, hey, this is cover two. Here's highlighting the person you should play the ball to. Then are we even thinking anymore? The in-between years is the biggest part of becoming great at a sport and it's what the separator is. So we need to make sure when we're having these

conversations, you're like I assume Elon thinks he's going to do something positive for something. And I assume there is some aspect of society that is thinking to themselves this is the worst decision of all time. Why are we doing this? I would just like to be the portion of society that says gotta keep these out of the fucking game and uh i don't know how that's gonna work out i assume we're gonna see neural linked athletes

all over the place i assume there's gonna be weird parents who put neural links in their kids so they can win youth football games better than everybody else and i we don't need that hey we have to get a scanner they're're going to have to scan people's head because if you're coming into the league, at the combine, they're going to say, hey, we need to see if you've got Neuralink in your head because obviously you're going to hide it because you're going to have a huge advantage

over the rest of the players. Youth football, you've got to step on a scale, right, to make sure you make weight. They're also going to have to create a put, hey, put your kid's head in here. Scan it. Tell me if there's a computer in there or a brain in there. That's what we need to know.

Nick, what's the big fear here? Obviously that they start thinking for themselves and turn the humans into zombies where the Neuralink controls everything they do? Absolutely. Flip of a switch. Whoever controls the main system of Neuralink could control all bodily motion and function of the implants. That is a worry. But also it's going to do some good. Allegedly it's going to help paralyze people walk and things. That's the first thing. That's a worry. Also, it's going to do some good. Allegedly, it's going to help paralyzed people walk

and things. That's the first thing. Until Elon's people come down from wherever planet he's from and then he turns everyone with a Neuralink into a fighting flesh bot. That's a negative way. Let's go back to the positive way here.

If they do come down and want to brawl, apparently what I'm hearing is our paralyzed portion of society is going to be able to potentially not be paralyzed. Oh, yeah. And that's just like the beginning as far as problems and diseases go. Like they're talking about if you have really bad eyesight, like glaucoma, things of that nature, fixes that. If you have really bad hearing, it is very the potential of it is

huge yeah like you might live forever all in might be able to hear you'd put that thing in your dumb no it's gonna be paralyzed i would i'll be i'll sign up for the trial if i'm paralyzed no that dad not just for my hearing but if it was something like that yeah people who like go who become blind throughout their life that aren't blind for their entire life, it helps them a lot. Obviously, he mentioned Stephen Hawking. A lot of people have cerebral palsy in one side of their body,

whether it's their right arm or their right leg or whatever. Fixing that. How about people who have strokes and stuff? Parkinson's, ALS. Oh, sure. Anything with the body where it's going bigger. See that? I'm hearing a lot of good. There's a ton of good.

It's just the Elon Army crowd. Humanoids. Birds aren't real, guys. Fight for this. I know. I'm a conspiracy guy. I'm aware that I am the one that should be at the front lines of Elon's army. It shouldn't be happening. But the possibilities of it are...

We can't get a Tesla to stop at a red light. We're going to put it in our brain and be like the possibilities of it are we can't get a tesla to stop at a red light we're gonna put in our brain and be like oh now we're fixed did you watch that um what was that movie that uh on netflix uh dirty money at the end of the world yeah the the not dirty money no yeah i think so uh the one that obama's created yeah at the end of the world no so why would i watch leave the world the world? No. Leave the world behind? Leave the world behind. Leave the world behind? Did you see the Tesla part of that? Oh, yeah.

As I was watching, I'm like... What'd they do? Yeah, that's you. Wait a minute. Yeah, you got one of those. They took over your car. There's reports of... Yeah, they've taken over cars

and driven them off cliffs and stuff for people. Allegedly. Of course. Obviously. We have no idea. I mean, of course. I didn't name names or say who did it or what

But I'm saying there's definitely reports of that No, there's There's been big conversation by people who Are pretty open minded To things that could potentially take place About how, yeah you can just take over The car seemingly, somebody can just take over What you're doing

Yeah, I drive an electric vehicle Because I thought I was saving the world when I bought it. You are. Well, we've talked about this numerous times. In a way. I did it so I could grandstand about being a hero. Yeah. Look at me.

Look at me. Look at me. And also, nice cars. Great cars. They're very, very nice. And then as the world turns you learn more and more and more and am i saving the world am i actually i mean that's a whole nother conversation but the fear though while you're driving it that like yeah everything here is a

computer so we've seen computers like short circuit before my thought is like what if it just and and then uh let alone like the conspiracy theory of somebody taking over the car which is certainly something i've heard and i've been like don't want to hear that don't want to hear that but just like it's short circuiting somehow and then just not being able to do something but every car i've had that has been an electric vehicle has operated perfectly windshield wipers will freeze right here sometimes yeah over rainstorm. Not good.

And then they go again, and I'm like, well, I guess I got to take the game out, blow on it, put it back in. And every once in a while, you know, the AC will go whoo, and then down to nothing. And it's like, well, who decided it's doing that? And you think, like, if it's able to do that, is it able to do something else?

You don't know. You just keep those thoughts in your mind. But I've certainly had those fears in the past. And then when you watch that movie, they just got these Teslas just smashing into each other smashing into each other blocking all the roads and all the exits everything it's like wait a minute anyway that's my biggest fear right there i've actually thought about that numerous times let's hope that doesn't happen with the new york well they break themselves the teslas right you don't ever even

hit the brake that just kind of do anything eases itself well the issue if it just decides hey i'm not breaking here the issue with it all is uh that every once in a while the car will just slam on the brakes because it thinks there's something. Yeah, beep, beep, beep. And that's certainly something, too. I was backing into my garage. Oh, I couldn't imagine. And I'm just like move backwards, not flying, okay, but moving at a pretty good rate. Pretty good backup driver.

You know, I've been floating gears since I'm a kid. So, like, you know, I have a pretty good rate, pretty good backup driver. I've been floating gears since I'm a kid, so I have a pretty good handle on it. And then all of a sudden, it just slams on the brakes. It's like almost a whiplash. It's like a pretty, oh, did I just kill something? Was there a dog back there that I didn't see? Nothing. It just sensed something was there. But that's not just electric vehicles.

That's all cars that have the sensors on them now. They're all microchips now. You can't just pop the hood and fix cars like you used to. How about the ones that keep you in a lane? The worst. That's annoying. Everything is super annoying. How do we let a commercial

the guy's in the truck and he's with his family. He's got kids in the back. He's playing a clap game and doing 85 miles an hour and not hands on the wheel. Oh, you're saying the car's driving itself? Yeah. You've got to be aware.

Autopilot's sweet. That's a 2024 Silverado. There's people getting in. It sounds like a beautiful truck. There's people getting into driverless like Ubers and stuff. Yeah, no thanks. People are terrible drivers. Still, humans

operating vehicles are much more dangerous than autopilots. Indiana's got some bad drivers. Ohio's got some bad drivers. What I'm saying, there's a dude... You're what? My Uber driver this morning. Don't even. Ass hat. I had a 78-year-old

with Parkinson's driving me this weekend in Tampa. Guy didn't turn on the windshield wipers. I couldn't see anything. He had two pairs of glasses on. I thought I was a 78-year-old with Parkinson's driving me this weekend in Tampa. Guy didn't turn on the windshield wipers. I couldn't see anything. He had two pairs of glasses on. I thought I was a dead man. I got out of the car. I said, I'm out of here. I'm not doing this.

Had to. I'm in the car 20 minutes, and we've done like four, and I still can see the JW Marriott. And I'm like, we good? And he's pointing at his deal. GPS. GPS. I said, well, that thing's fucked up. Because I can still see the JW, and we've been out on the road for 20 minutes.

The driverless ones, I don't know how that, I don't know how I would react to that whole thing. You've got to be aware, though. You can't just fall asleep. I know that whenever one of those things does hit somebody or get in a wreck, people freak out. Compared to the amount of wrecks that people themselves do, like cause, it's nothing. I know the one dude I think was watching porn,

pulling on his meat and got in a wreck, and he blamed Tesla. Of course. That's not all they're doing in this. Bobby did that? No, it's a real thing. I mean, Bobby, I don't know if he did or not. Bobby doesn't have a Tesla.

So somebody said, I want the driverless one so nobody can see me. I got a little stressed. Yeah, he goes through an intersection and blames the Tesla, not himself. Yeah, that's crazy. The future's bananas. The Neuralink is the most recent one. In probably 30, 40 years, people might pull this and say, listen to these idiots talk about driverless drivers.

What is the internet? It's like when you say, what is the internet? Yeah, that guy that said that is certainly something. Gumball. Gumball. No, and with, who is he sitting next to? Epstein? No.

Matthew Lauer. Matthew Lauer. Yeah. So every time that video comes up, I'm like, oh, there's the morning show. Right. There is. There's the morning show right there.

But I hope we are and survive long enough to see it all but some it does freak me out oh yeah and every time i get in a rental car and they have that lane assist thing on i get so fucking pissed i'm like hey listen you're putting me in more danger oh yeah you know let me drive up beeps the backup beeps make me crazy like just turn it off yeah just let just let me fucking... Stop buzzing my seat. Stop buzzing the seat. This makes sense. He still has the 2013 big red Ohio State.

Now he's got a new truck. No, I don't. I missed the old analog situation at times. Yeah, but his new truck is nice. Say, AJ, you son of a bitch. I like it. It's got a Decepticon on the front of it, too. Yes.

It's got some... What's that? Did they ever recover the one that was stolen, AJ? Oh yeah, got it back, drove it for another four years, I think. Three years. Old Red was beautiful. Gorgeous truck. Old Red was beautiful. This one, though... Still red? No.

And it's... It's huge. It's a big boy. The wheels come up to... To F-150. 2500 Cummins. Ford F-150. Rocky Ridge, Cummins. Ford F-150. Rocky Ridge, though, it's called, I guess. So it's like bigger tires raised up a little bit. Shelby GT?

No, just standard Ford? Standard. But it's like this Rocky Ridge thing. I don't know. I had a buddy who I saw had one, and then that's why I picked this guy. But, yeah, I don't know. It's a nice truck. Great truck.

You deserve it, Hoss. You deserve it, AJ. You deserve it, Hawks. You deserve it, AJ. You deserve it. Good truck. All right, as we wrap up this glorious Coach-Em-Up Thursday, Chuck, you want to do a giveaway, Paul? Love to. What do you want to do?

What are you thinking? Don't box. I saw AQ, like, huck a basketball. How about the top golf ball and put it right in that trash can? It was a bounce, but he tried to top golf. No one has been able to accomplish this particular feat, Chuck.

I don't know if you have a strong enough arm for it. I don't think he does. I can't get that thing to there. Why don't you try it? There's no weight behind it. Chuck, you're sucking the energy out. Try it. Yeah, you're being a drain, not a fountain.

Now, Topgolf. Vampire. On the Topgolf app right now, you get half off Topgolf Monday through Wednesday at most locations. The Las Vegas one is not one of them. Topgolf, obviously, an incredible time, and our newest partner of the program. We appreciate the hell of it. Half off Monday through Wednesday whenever you book in the app.

And you obviously have to book ahead of time because all the bays are booked out. Always. Very thankful for Topgolf. And they sent these two fluffy golf balls. Yeah, they're sweet. They got faces on them, too. Yeah, on the other side. A little like Wilson.

Yeah, it is. It is a little bit like Wilson. I think Chuck wants to play catch and see if he can throw that. I don't think he can. Not strong enough arm, Chuck? Ooh. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, don't lollipop it.

I think I'd get that to the hoop. Oh, you want to make it in the hoop? Okay, Chuck. Okay, Chuck. All right, Chuck. 25 people, $500. You're able to bury that top golf ball into that basketball hoop right there on the right side. Come on, Charles.

So we got two top golf balls. That's it. Yeah. No retrieving? Well, you don't need it you don't need it right here talking about cares about AJ what's this guy's negativity happening before he even throws well huh I'm gonna need at least three six seven ten try what do we even do an AJ yeah explain yourself Chuck what's going on that's not like you you're very positive very positive person. That's not like you. Okay, so the first time you went to punt, right, you just went cold. You never got a warm-up.

You never got any lessons. You never got how to, you know. I never seen secretariat stretch. Bingo. What does this have to do with anything right now, old man? I should get one just to get a feel for the way. What if it goes in, though? Does it count? No.

He wants a breakfast ball. Hey, Mitt, will you come out here and get a breakfast ball for Chuck? This goes in. You heard it, people. I don't like this. I don't like this at all. I don't like that this is the case here. Mitt, I think he's throwing that way, pal. I think he's throwing that way.

Thank you to Mitt, who looks so cool today. So cool. Good fit. So cool today. And Mitt is one of the greatest ball shaggers in the history of ball shaggers. Obviously, NFL ball shagger, professional ball shagger for a long time. This one does not count. Chuck, just get a feel for it.

AJ, this one doesn't count. Okay, it doesn't count, Chuck. Good luck. Thank God it didn't count, but I think we got it figured out, though. All right, right there. We got it figured out right now. What do you think, Chuck? Does this one count, Chuck. Good luck. Thank God it didn't count, but I think we got it figured out, though. All right, right there. We got it figured out right now? What do you think, Chuck? Does this one count, or do you want another practice?

It's underhand, Matt. You want another practice? You want another? All right, let's go. All right, he's ready to go. Ladies and gentlemen, Chuck Pagano will attempt to throw this Topgolf fluffy ball into that basketball hoop right over there. If he's able to accomplish that feat, 25 people win $500

thanks to our friends at Topgolf. Chuck has done a practice throw. It was horrendous. Terrible. What has he learned from that throw? What will he implement into this throw? 25 people! Pretty good.

I think you have an opportunity. There's another ball right here, I believe, somewhere. Boom. Shot to Topgolf. This is the second ball. This one's similar to the first one, though. Remember that. Don't overthink it too much.

Don't overthink it too much. Chuck Pagano, 25 people, $500. You got it. You're locked in now. Oh, my God. So Mitt was able to gather both of those balls. Yesterday, AQ was walking as if it was lava. Nice scoop, Chuck. Great scoop. Throw the goddamn ball, Mitt. Yesterday, AQ was walking as if it was lava. That's scoop, Chuck. Great scoop.

Throw the goddamn ball, Mitt. Why are you underhanding that? Yeah, he's got the ref toss in for the top golf ball. I appreciate that. Chuck, what did we learn from those two throws? Anything? What did you learn from there? Yeah, get back there, Chuck.

Got a good feel for these balls. Do you sense that in the next two, one's going home? 100%. Wow. Okay. Here we go. We're going to Vegas, right? Yes, sir.

Yeah, so put your money on one of these. Okay, you got it. Two opportunities to win 25 people $500. All you got to do is put that Topgolf ball into that hoop right over there. If you book on the Topgolf app, it's half off Monday through Wednesday right now. Hell yeah. For the people, Chuck. For the people, Chuck. For the people.

Yup. Yuck. Right for it. The bank was hoping. But we do know that Chuck has confidence in that this one is going to fall. Chuck Pagano for 25 people. Oh no. We bet on it. Not every day is a winning day, I guess.

I won yesterday. Not every day. What was the final score of Burnley? 3-1. I watched some of them. They were a good squad. Which one? Manchester City? They were a great team. They were good, too. But did old Buddy come on? You know, the 6'8"?

He played for 20 minutes at the end. He did not score, which is crazy. But they were already up a lot, so I don't think he was really... What do you got going on there, Chuck? You see him holding a football. Is the show over, or what's going on? It's up to you. No, no.

You seemingly made that decision there. I'll put this down. Oh, no. You don't want any winners. You're done with it. Just huck that sumbitch. Just throw it. Put it in the garbage can. Put don't want any winners. You're done with it. Huck that sumbitch. Just throw it. Fire that pig's garbage can.

In the garbage can? Yeah, put it in the garbage can. Ladies and gentlemen, Chuck Pagano will be firing his football into the rock trash can right over yonder. 25 people. Oh. Oh, my God, dude. What a throw. Not meant to be.

That was a phenomenal throw. That was in. I mean, it went in. That's back rim. Yeah. Chuck can to be. That was in. I mean, it went in. That's back rim. Yeah. Chuck can spin it. Yeah. Yeah.

He's been throwing to DBs, you know, in corners for his entire career. As soon as he saw that garbage can, he was like, I've made this throw a thousand times. That's all I was thinking about ever since AQ put his in yesterday. I was thinking, oh, hell yeah. I've got that. Last opportunity, Chuck. And here we go. Come on, Chuck. Come on, Chuck. You got it, got that. Last opportunity, Chuck. And here we go.

Come on, Chuck. Come on, Chuck. You got it, Chuck. All you got to do is put it into that trash can right over there that Dwayne The Rock Johnson has been guarding for years at this point. If you're able to put that ball into that trash can, 25 people, $500. Here you go, Chuck. On his Coach-Em-Up Thursday.

Maybe next week, Chuck. I'll wait. All right, let's end on a high note, shall we? Hell yeah. Chuck, good work today. Good work, Chuck. You didn't win anybody anything, but thank you for showing people stuff yesterday. Yeah, thank you.

And yet, in Vegas on the set, there is opportunities to win some stuff for people. Get that little, yeah. So you'll go out a winner on the end of the day. Okay? Sound good? What's that? Let's get right down. No, next week we're taking it.

What the fuck? Shut the fuck up, old man. Joining us now is a tradition in this particular office. Now, there's a tradition in this particular office. Normally, nobody says anything to somebody who maybe survives another year on this planet until a cake makes its presence. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a birthday in the office. It's a man who's had a lot of change in his life in the last year. This final trip around the sun has been a glorious one. I believe he'll probably eat this

entire cake in one sitting with the way he's been operating as of late. Happy birthday to the Big Paisan, Nick Braun. Happy birthday. Thank you. Mitt will be bringing you the cake. He brought it out here to the stage, but

obviously you're in the back working. He thought you were going to come out and get your love and your hugs. Love you, Frank. Happy birthday, Nick. Happy birthday, Nick. Happy birthday, Nick. You look really good, Nick.

Love you, Nick. Nick, you look solid, Bob. You look phenomenal. And AJ wanted to give you a speech on his birthday. No, but it didn't. I think it was Walt's birthday earlier, right? Thanks for the one shot, for sure. But was it Walt's birthday, Nick?

It was my dog, Big Walt's birthday., right? Thanks for the one shot, for sure. But was it Walt's birthday, Nick? It was my dog, Big Walt's birthday. Okay, good. Well, happy birthday to you and Walt then, Nick. That's awesome. Good for you. Very kind of you. Yeah, you don't need the one shot anymore? That's all I got.

Yeah, one shot's fine. I'm okay with it. But I'm just saying, I don't have a whole speech for Nick. But I appreciate Nick. He's great at what he does. Speech. Speech. I'm not in seventh grade anymore, Goop. I appreciate Nick. He's great at what he does. Speech. Speech. I'm not in seventh grade anymore, Goop.

I mean, you might as well just. Are you, sir? Didn't Nick give a speech at your birthday party? Yeah. He did. I don't know if he did or not. If he did, it's because he wanted to and no one forced him up there to do it. Well, you've been forced to give speeches at birthday parties before.

Just count this as one of those situations. Go on now, son. Come on, AJ. It's not hard. How about a few nice words? I'm okay, guys. I'd like Chuck to – actually, you know what? I'd like Chuck to explain the difference between a two-hole

and a three-hole on the football. All right. We'll do that next week. We'll do that next week from Vegas. Happy birthday, Nick. We love you, buddy. We're appreciative of you. To everybody that watches, you're the greatest.

We'll be back tomorrow. I think we got – obviously, we got Jim Harbaugh joining. Boom. New coach of Los Angeles Chargers. That's a big deal. We're going to try to finish up this Mount Rushmore event if I'm quarterback. We need to. Had Peyton today live from Disney World, he was pumped to be in Disney World.

Have you seen a guy that pumped to be in Disney World? He was very happy. He can't even fucking go on Space Mountain. What's that, pal? He can't even go on Space Mountain either. Oh, he has neck surgeries. Well, I know. That's what I'm saying.

He's that pumped and he doesn't even fucking get to go on Space Mountain. I got a picture of him at Disney World. Just so excited. Like a little child. And obviously Mosley was going bananas as well. So shout to him. Patrick Mahomes joined yesterday when he poked his head in. And then Tom Brady was on Tuesday.

So I think we could complete a Mount Rushmore if we get the Montana on. This would be a great week, too, going forward. Like, hey, Goat Week is the week in between the championship weekend and Super Bowl Sunday. Not even Goat Week. I mean, like, we kind of just stumbled into this, like Mount Rushmore of football. Really, Mahomes popping his head in.

Huge deal. Yeah. And then Tom Brady, his brand getting merging with Noble same week, just so happening. It's like, we have an opportunity here. We have a real opportunity here. And I want to let you know, we're going to pound the pavement and try to make it happen for tomorrow,

especially with the Niners in the big one. Yeah. It'll be a perfect tie-in. We're incredibly lucky to be doing this. We're incredibly thankful to be doing this. We appreciate you all watching every single day. And we'll continue to try to make it a half-assed, decent show every single day, as long as you'll have us. You're the greatest.

Chuck, great work today. Good work, Chuck. Happy birthday, Nick. Happy birthday, Nick. Hey, thank you guys. I appreciate the hell out of all of you. Got you. Got you near a link.

Ooh. Congrats. Okay. Can't wait. That's really nice of me, I think. Nobody's really talking about it. But of you. Got you. Got you, Neuralink. Ooh. Congrats. Okay. Can't wait. That's really nice of you, I think. Nobody's really talking about it. But got you, Neuralink. I think it's very nice.

Thank you. They're drilling in your head today. Okay. So I got to come in to drill a Neuralink into your brain. Mitt's doing it. They did send an instruction manual for Mitt to do it. Yep. Dr. McMahon.

It's like Ikea. Could you imagine Mitt ever holding a power tool? All right. Oh, I'm sorry. Did you grow up on a ranch? Yeah. I'm a Montana. What's one of those things cost?

I don't know. I'm not sure the price of it. Yeah, I don't know if they have a price. I think it's like $37. The Apple virtual reality thing, they're going $39.99. $3,999. That was kind of sweet. That was kind of sweet. Doll kind of sweet dollars what do you

do with it though the glasses deal yeah it just seems like you just live your life but can you play games with it i was i was like i thought you could play there'd be oculus games on as well but it looks like i don't know yeah they're like you can text on here you can search your websites on here oh i already have a computer thanks you can have instructions for stuff pop up on the side while you're cooking. So dumb. And it's like, well, my phone has all that, and I don't have to wear a thing. They're like, but you could see your kids with it on still. Like, well, I could see my daughter without it.

That wouldn't be weird for my kids. Yeah, I think they were just kind of planning on everybody wearing them. I think that's seemingly the commercial that I watch. I don't know if you've seen anything different. I have. No, I mean, it just kind of planning on everybody wearing them. I think that's seemingly the commercial that I watch. I don't know if you've seen anything different. I have. No, I mean, it's kind of the same thing. I don't think they have any of the stuff that people actually want to do on there yet. And it's Apple, so they're still like, well, we got to charge people $4,000.

So they'll come around eventually. They'll figure it out. Yeah, exactly. Chuck will go boxing an Apple one soon. At some point. How was that, though? That was pretty cool, wasn't it? Yeah.

Great workout. Yeah. Great workout. Yeah. Unbelievable workout. But I wouldn't want to wear that. And they're saying the Apple one pretty... Lester Holt on the Nightly News, they had a segment about it with a technology expert lady. And she said, the reviews are in. A little heavy, a little clunky.

That's not what we want. That's the worst thing you want to hear. Right. But very user-friendly and all this other stuff that they were saying. I'm like, I just don't know how many people are paying $4,000 to wear glasses in their house to do something that they can do on their phone already. Yeah, but you don't need your phone. You can just use your eyes and your hands. It's like, well, I'm using my eyes and my fingers with my phone.

Yeah, but you don't have to hold anything. But my face has to hold something. Oh, shit. Good point. Oh, yeah. Your hand's free. It's easier. Oh, but it don't have to hold anything. But my face has to hold something. Oh, shit. Good point. Oh, yeah. Your hand's free. It's easier. Oh.

But I'm still using. All right. I'm not smart enough. Go figure it out. I just don't think I'm smart enough. But also, I'm an Oculus. Yeah, exactly. You know, I'm an Oculus guy.

Mm-hmm. They just want me in there for an hour. Team Hawk. Play a little ping pong. Mm-hmm. Fight some guys. Work out. Do my thing.

The August is like that now, though, I feel like. Isn't it where you can Still see your surroundings Yeah I'm boxing In the Thunderdome Yeah I'm playing ping pong In the Thunderdome

Against somebody from Germany Who's beating the hell out of me By the way I gotta get back in there Good player Yeah I got hustled I got ran off the table By a couple people

In that Oculus That was not delightful That was not all But we'll get better Hell yeah Which is what we're going to do with this program hopefully always

you're all the best we'll see you tomorrow for feel good Friday and hopefully some a couple monster guests you know be a friend tell a friend

something nice it might change their life we're in this thing together team on me team on three one two three

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