The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0. 107 - Live From New Orleans, Glorious Story Time With Matt Hasselbeck

Episode Date: September 19, 2019

On today's show, Pat and the boys are joined by friend of the show, Matt Hasselbeck, live from the box truck studio in New Orleans. They discuss everything going on in the NFL right now including Daniel Jones getting the starting nod in New York, whether or not Jalen Ramsay is going to be traded, and what Pat and Matt think about Adam Vinatieri's current situation and when he will bounce back, and Matt talks about the mental toughness it takes to be a starting QB in the NFL for a good chunk of time, only to go somewhere else with the intention of being someone's backup QB. Matt also tells a couple of incredible stories from this time in the locker room with guys including Brett Favre, Jerry Rice, Tom Coughlin, and Josh McCown, among others. Today's show is loaded with everything you need to be up to date on going on in the NFL ahead of week 3. It's a good one, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're about to get some good stuff into your ears. Thanks for letting us penetrate those today. Let's get to it. He Wants the Ball is one of the best graphics we've ever put on our show. Matt Hasselbeck, He Wants the Ball. And I'll say this, I'll say this. Normally there's a full conversation about what we put up there. A lot of research goes into what goes on those graphics.

He wants the ball was 100% inaudible by Zito all by himself. And I started laughing when it popped up on the screen. That's a good manager. You know, you let your guys spread their wings, you know. That's right. I thought it was very creative. Actually, you just apologized to me for it. You were like, oh, sorry about that.

You know, that was all Zito. And I was like, no, I thought it was very creative. Actually, you just apologized to me for it. You were like, oh, sorry about that. You know, that was all Zito. And I was like, no, I thought it was creative. But I started to tell you the story, and you cut me off because you wanted me to say it on air, I'm assuming. Yes, that is 100%. That's a content business. That was never really a big thing. Like, that happened in 2003, our first playoff game, wild card game, our first ever in Seattle. After the game, I don't think anyone even asked me about

it like it wasn't like even in the locker room it wasn't a thing that's why i retired by the way i knew these media reporters were terrible well no i'm just saying it wasn't like i think people heard it but it wasn't like you know people at home heard it people at the stadium may have heard it but it wasn't necessarily something we talked a lot about but anyway it wasn't that big of a deal until like maybe you know obviously until we played them again the next year but it really wasn't even that big of a deal till i went to work at espn after i was done playing and we made it a sports center sorry we made it a sunday nfl countdown like promo and now i get it like all the time but who do i get it from i get it from like 13 year olds 14 year But who do I get it from? I get it from, like, 13-year-olds, 14-year-olds, 15-year-olds,

like the kids that play Madden all day long. Do you know how lit that comment is at the time? You're in the playoffs. So much drip to say what you said right there. No, I get it. I get it. But it's just sort of funny how it came, like, this is the part about it. I feel kind of bad.

I was talking trash to Ryan Longwell, the kicker. That's who I was talking trash to. Tell him to eat it, bro. He was like my guy. I was his holder in Green Bay. But that's why you said it to him. I mean, I said far worse in that game and other games. So it's just kind of hilarious.

But I don't think that's a bad thing. I think it's a good thing. Let me tell you why I like it. It is the microcosm that is Matt Hasselbeck, by the you're a starting quarterback you're a captain you're in the playoffs you're all these things right and then you're able to have a good time in a moment that is pressure packed going into overtime and it's a little bit of a shit talk i think it is literally everything that is matt hasselbeck it's a lot a lot of shit talk which is awesome not a lot of people would do that and i to be honest i think the game's missing more people like that.

Well, the funny thing is we had played Green Bay earlier that year, and the coaches were like, hey, you're going back and playing your old team. You're playing your old friends. Keep your emotions in check. You're kind of a hothead anyway. And I was like, okay, yes, sir. Okay, yes, sir. And I played boring.

I played like a robot. I didn't play. I didn't like everything. I was not, okay, yes, sir. Okay, yes, sir. And I played boring. Like, I played like a robot. I didn't play. I didn't, like, everything. Like, I was not a great college player. I get drafted to the Green Bay Packers, and I sit there. Andy reads my quarterback's coach, and he says, listen, you have potential, but you need to cut it loose. You need to, like, learn how to lead.

I want you to watch everything that Brett Favre does. Not his mechanics, not his decision making, not his fundamentals. He doesn't even know what a fucking nickel defense is. Not that. He said, but he's really special in other ways. His energy is contagious. How much fun he has on the field

is contagious. And so, I don't know, for three years, I just was every minute of every day, basically, watching him just have fun and compete. So I go back to Green Bay earlier that year. I don't do that. I play like a robot. We lose a boring game.

And I actually grade it out well. So we get an opportunity. We didn't think we were going to be in the playoffs. We happened to be in the playoffs. I think Josh McCown, I could be wrong about this, but I think Josh McCown had, like, some heroic two-minute drive to win a game somewhere in Arizona against the Vikings. The same Josh mccown that's on eagles right josh mccown hey he can dunk too he's like nasty he's a nasty athlete so he's got he's old huh i didn't know he's that

old he's in his 18th year okay so anyway we're we're not we're just happy to be there we are just happy to be there and the second time in i, I'm like, you know what? I learned when I was in Green Bay. What did I learn? I learned have fun, cut it loose, leave everything out on the field, just play like you did growing up in the backyard or at recess. Have fun, man. Like, so what? No one's expecting us to win.

Let's go do it. Let's believe in ourselves. Have fun. And that was kind of the mindset that I went into it with. And shockingly, shockingly, we're still tied when the game ends. 60 minutes, tie ball game, we're still in this thing. Unbelievable. It is unbelievable.

I like what you did. I love it. I like what you mentioned, too. I don't regret it at all. The thing I regret is understanding, you know, they had blitzed. I think I told you guys this. They had blitzed, timeout, and the rest is history. Yeah, but somebody knew what you were doing, right?

You're upset about the football side of it. Yeah, didn't somebody know? Yeah. Somebody on the defense side of it all knew what you were doing. But even that, so that's 2003. We'd never been to the playoffs. We'd get there. I'd get there.

I learned from that in a big, big way. And then the next year we're in the playoffs, I think we lose to the Rams on the last second play. I throw a pass, kind of throw it too hard. My guy, Bobby Ingram, you know, it's too much for him. And we lose there. Those two losses helped us in Seattle continue, like, to climb to take it to the next level.

You know, so I think we went to the playoffs like five years in a row, six years in a row, something like that. No big deal. But it was because of that early one. What was the year after that? Oh, five. We went row, something like that. No big deal. But it was because of that early one. What was the year after that? Oh, five. We went to the Super Bowl that year. Diggs.

Diggs is such an asshole. He's a diehard Steelers fan. That is just him being a – If I were you, I'd blame it on Jeremy Stephens. No, I don't at all. I don't at all. He said he would fight Joey Porter in a dark alley. Shouldn't have done that.

Let me say this about the Super Bowl. You go for two weeks of media. So like NFL season, you know, you go for, you know, seven days until your next game. You get like you're a creature of habit. Like you're ready like Pavlov's dog. Like you're just ready to play a game. You hear the bell, slobber, treat comes.

See, you are smart. Okay? You are smart. All this, I've never read a book talk. I haven't, but some lady told that to me whenever I was a kid. We know Pavlov, so we know the Pythagorean theorem. Yeah, ain't no problem with A squared plus B squared equals C squared. There you go.

Hey, come on, Doc. So anyway, two weeks of media. Hey, must come down. Sir Isaac Newton. I got him all day, man. Sir Isaac Newton. Hey, listen to what E equals MC squared. I mean, ain't no...

Who said it? Huh? Isn't it funny when someone says something stupid you say okay einstein yeah which is interesting because a lot of things have come out about einstein maybe not the guy we should look up to oh really is it well that's what the uh internet was trying to say there for a little bit right ty i mean yeah yep that's pretty spot on uh apparently einstein was a real piece of shit what we do where we come from is we just we just memorize a few things from each subject and then just rattle those off.

It makes it sound very smart. Yeah, we do that. Maybe I already told you that story. I won't tell you that story. I would like to hear it again. No, because certain names set you off. I don't want to do that. Say the name.

Yeah, because you're like the kind of guy that you're super fun to hang out with. Everything's fun. Then you say a certain name, and boom, bad mood. No, it's 2019. We're past a lot of things. I'm past a lot of things. So I lose the Super Bowl to the Steelers. Okay.

Kind of upset about it, right? We had a great year. We felt like we were the best team in football. We didn't play that well on Super Bowl Sunday, so we lose. Happens. So then that Sunday, so Wednesday, I think, we're in Hawaii for the Pro Bowl. The Pro Bowl used to be after the Super Bowl.

It used to be in Hawaii. It used to be good. There's five of us on the Seahawks at the Pro Bowl. And we're angry. We're literally, like, legitimately mad every day. We don't even want to be there. And we're in Hawaii. Well, we're on the beach.

My kids are playing with some other kids. And, like, they're having, like, the best time ever. And, like, oh, wow, you know, what's your name? Oh, you know, what team are you on? Steelers. Oh, it was like a kick in the stomach. Yeah. And then I'm like, all right, you know, why don't you guys go down further on the beach?

Like, go play football or something or whatever. So, like, as a parent, when you have little kids, like, if someone plays with your kids, you're just like, oh, thank you oh thank you like it's a little breather now it's an ipad back then it was other children yeah well you're right and and if there's other people who are single sorry if there's other people who are adults that don't have kids like they got the energy for like everything like for like an hour of play time that just gives you like a chance to catch your breath and like then you're a better parent say because you're running zone defense on your children at all times exactly so there's this player there's this player and i think his wife and they are playing touch football with like my kids the other seahawk kids other kids too they're like the best like babysitters if you

will like of all time and it's troy palomalo. So, like, I'm sitting there and I'm, like, trying to be upset, trying not to like this. Everything I said about 2019. Yeah, totally. I mean, I don't know why you had to do that. I was just saying it was upsetting for me that he was such an amazing guy, his wife's this amazing girl. It was like, man, I want to be so mad right now, but, like, I don't know.

These guys are great. It was a tough game to watch, to be honest. Yeah, guys are great it was a tough game to watch to be honest yeah it was it was a tough story to hear too all right i mean i i thought you're gonna say another couple names maybe that you know people that i used to dislike in my past now i meditate i don't know if anybody's known that i want i got an app that tells me how to meditate really bill burr talked about it in his special, and I figured if Bill Burr can do it, I could probably do it. I've yet to get to the meditated state yet, but I've attempted to a couple times. Does that

make sense? I'm past a lot of things. I am not past. I will cheer you up. How happy were you yesterday when you saw the making of that shirt? I was pretty pumped up now. Greenwave Football. I think it's at Greenwave FB. Is that right? Yep. We're calling the University of Houston versus Tulane football game tonight. TNF on ESPN. Hashtag

that thing. Send in your questions, your thoughts. Let's just get it to trend. That'd be a lot of fun. That'd be good for both Hasselbeck and I and the student human athletes at Tulane and University of Houston. But what I love is that was unsolicited. Like, they just did that on their own. So we go into a production meeting today. Okay, we're on campus. We show up, and I kid you not, it's like every five to ten steps, someone is stopping Pat.

Mr. McAfee. I'm like, what, is Tim here? Mr. McAfee, can I get my picture taken with you, Mr. McAfee? I'm a big fan, Mr. McAfee. This one guy, this was kind of bad. This one guy is like, oh, Mr. McAfee, can I get my picture taken with you? Sure, man, you going to go to the game tomorrow? I was like, I'm starting in the game tomorrow.

Yeah, it's a start in safety. It's a start in safety. Turns out I'm a 36. Big fan. Start in safety. Hey, I asked the D coordinator about him, too. He's a leader out there. He's smart.

He's going to protect him in coverages. I mean, I learned a lot about the kid. That's the helmet's fault. And LeBron's trying to take that away with the glass helmets. I couldn't see the kid's face. I've been watching film all week. You guys have been seeing me. Have I not been watching Tulane and Houston film?

If he had his jersey on, you'd be fine. Was it very obvious that I was watching film, too, in those meetings today? It was. You two were good. But in all seriousness, everywhere we went, it was like, you know, Pat, Pat. It's really been a good thing. So unsolicited, they came up with those Green Wave, Tulane for the brand and T-shirts. It was cool.

It was a good thing. Yeah, we got the whole group. Great hosts. They were great hosts. They've got a good social media person, too, the Tulane Green Wave. Her name is Katie, and she is active on there and she is good in the coach uh coach uh willie fritz yep coach fritz he is very uh pro social media too you gotta love that i do he's like this old guy older gentleman he's been around the block everywhere he's coached everywhere

and he he's you know started from the. Now he's up at the top. Right? By the way, Hasselbeck asked him with a straight face. He was like, do you feel like, you know, I talked to you one time, you started from the bottom now you're here. And I was like, Matt Hasselbeck, but he didn't do it in rhythm.

He was like, you started from the bottom now you're here. And all the people under the age of 35 all the people under the age of 35 in the room were dying laughing. And everybody else was like, what is so funny? I was so intrigued to hear this answer from this older head coach. He was great, though. He pondered off on something else. He's a super humble guy.

He said he likes to turn programs around, which is interesting to me. Have you ever thought about coaching? Thought about it, yeah. Thought about it. And would you have his mindset? He said he doesn't know what he would do if he went to a school that was a 10-win school. He said he likes turning programs around.

Well, they do that with CEOs sometimes. Someone's a CEO of a startup and then they take it to where they can get it to and then somebody else comes in and like, hey, I'm a CEO to take you public. It's kind of like that. He sounds like he's that kind of a head coach. I want to take a program that is underperforming and make it perform. And it was interesting, like, as a recruiter, he was legitimate.

Like, he was almost like he was recruiting us. He's like, listen, we have students from all 50 states here at Tulane. 78 countries. 78 different countries are represented. I mean, he was selling the school. He's like, listen, who comes here? Doctors and lawyers. Basically doctors and lawyers.

We got transfers from Brown and UVA and Columbia and, you know, all these places. It was a, it was a really impressive cell job. I was a high school senior quarterback with a brain, with a brain. And he gave me a brain to get into lane. That's what I learned today. Dang, man. We interrupt this incredible conversation to tell you that Elysium Health is the most exciting health company today. It was founded by Dr. Leonard Guarante. I'm going to have to buckle up for this one. Oh, boy. What is this?

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and then they dug into the GPA thing, and we're like, this kid doesn't try. He's not going to make it in New Orleans. This kid's got a really high SAT score and a little bit lower GPA. Let's assume his work ethic at school is not great. That was like a weird flex. That was just a way for you to say you had a high SAT score. And a high Wonderlic if anybody ever wants to talk. Matt, would you ever coach?

I'd consider it. You know, I always said I would never do that. And just being on some of these college campuses, I actually did like a day in the life of Doug Peterson last year and then this year. Went down, Doug Peterson's an old teammate of mine, former teammate of mine. He was in that backup.

He looked like a 75-year-old head coach. He's a former teammate of mine. So when I was in Green Bay, Brett Favre was the starter, Andy Reid's the quarterback's coach, and those guys would talk to each other. The rest of us just were allowed to be in the room. Who was that, you, Doug Peterson? So me, Doug Peterson, and Rick Meyer from Notre Dame. Holy hell.

Which was awkward because I think I had a Sports Illustrated cover of Rick Meyer in my bedroom hanging up when I was growing up. Not awkward, pretty cool. I had that at Vinatary okay yeah so anyway so they were great they're great guys super awesome to me and doug is super successful obviously as a head football coach in the nfl now so i went down like hey man i just curious like what it's really like i know it i know what a player thinks you know the schedule is for for a coach i'm sure fans think that coaches just show up on sunday and call a game. It's a lot of work. A lot of them

have a couch in their office. Diggs is a fan. He's dumb. That's not what I thought. 18-hour days. I know what it is. It's really intriguing. I think it's really fun. Competitive, but we'll see. Would you do the college level or would you

only coach at the NFL level? I don't know too much about the college game. Like, I'm learning. I'm getting back into it. Me and Matt have talked about this, and it might be more me talking in these conversations than Matt. Whenever we got this college football gig, I had no knowledge of college football.

I didn't know shit. Reggie Bush, really good. Matt Leiner, really good. Vince Young, good for him, what he did down there. You watched the national championship. From 15 years ago. football i didn't know shit reggie bush really good matt liner really good vince young uh good for him what he did down there he watched the national championship from 15 years ago yeah i knew everything for like 15 years ago so whenever i went into this college football seminar yeah they had this uh we had this quiz thing there was like a targeting is this targeting is this rule uh 913 or rule 914 no 913? No, 9-1-3 dot 2.

There was like two options. I was like, I don't know, man. It looks like that kid could be paralyzed. That seems like that should probably be a penalty if I had to guess. I mean, we'll throw the flag. But learning this college football world has been very interesting, Matt. I think you've done a really good job. And nobody really knows this.

It's a remote operation, which means everything's on a delay. So the screen in front of us is on like a four to seven second delay. Sometimes Matt is asked. Don't give away the secrets. Sometimes Matt is asked to recap something. And if Matt doesn't remember it, play for play, it's not popping up on the screen for another seven seconds. So he has to speak about it before it even comes up.

So you hear matt sometimes like the first game he really gave it a go and i was like this is wild you're even trying this i literally was standing in a booth like what are you doing right now this last game though you waited for the thing to kind of catch up and then you did it which i'm assuming at home they're like hey somebody tell the kid to talk but for you it was something that had to help you out a lot it is a tough role for you you're in it was something that had to help you out a lot. It is a tough role for you. You were in a tough role because people expect you to know a lot about football.

Me, not so much. No, that's not true. You keep saying that. You know a lot about football. I agree. I had a front row seat to a lot of great things. I saw a lot of good stuff, but I don't think people that are watching are like, you know what?

I want to hear Pat break down the X's and O's of this offense right here. They don't want to hear that. But for you. Yeah, but that's not – like you would do this almost to a fault. Like we'd be playing a game. We'd be playing well, or usually it's when we weren't playing well, when we were teammates. You would come over and you'd be like, hey, what the heck?

Hey, I'm punting like every other – hey, go no huddle. You guys – no huddle always works. Why aren't you going no huddle? I'm like, listen, I don't know why you're yelling at me. Then he starts yelling at the quarterback coach, go no huddle. You guys are so much better at no huddle always works. Why aren't you going no huddle? I'm like, listen, I don't know why you're yelling at me. Then he starts yelling at the quarterback coach, go no huddle. You guys are so much better at no huddle. Sometimes it's better to have just kind of the 35,000-foot view of things, which you're good at.

Hey, what are we doing? When we were going no huddle, boys, it was just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Almost had a field goal opportunity. Whatever you guys are doing, whatever this shit is, we're punting from backed up every time. I mean, maybe we just try that out, boys. You know, and I will always try to be positive at I mean, maybe we just try that out, boys. You know, and I will always try to be positive at the end. And maybe we just try

that out, boys. It's like, hey, no offense, but this offense is terrible. And then I would just walk away, by the way. I would just walk away. I couldn't even fathom the conversation that's happening between, like, the super football minds. Like, that's not how it works.

Hey, in all seriousness, seriousness though if you were to go in an nfl locker room and ask a lot of different people okay why do you see this style of punt in the nfl which is like the traditional reggie robey ray guy type punt and then why in college do you see guys sprint out to the right sprint out out to the left? I'm ambidextrous. I've got 30-year-old punters. Why are they all 30? Why are they all from Australia? Why do they have that stupid formation where you have all the guys on the line of scrimmage and then it's like three personal protector up backs where every punt's like,

it looks like it's going to get blocked and then it's not blocked. I don't think people at home, all of them, know all of those rules, why it's different in college than it is in pros. Never mind the fact that you can, like, you know, downing it inside the five, the rules are different also. Hey, it would be pretty cool to be able to break that down, but we go right to a commercial break after every single one. We're changing that.

We're changing that. No, I think our crew is a cool one. Yeah. We got a guy named Boiler who does – Tennis. Yeah, he does tennis. He did Wimbledon. Do you guys open?

I think he did Wimbledon too. And now he's doing Thursday Night Football with us. He's a good dude, a good guy. They want us to do stuff. It's going to be a lot of fun. So we've got to – can we tell them we're going to try something new in the open? Yeah, I'm out of the booth. I'm down in the field.

Really? We're going to try it. Give them a build. Well, we met the strength coach. We met the strength and conditioning coach for Tulane, and he is something. Lightning rod of a man. He looks like a strength and conditioning coach. Yoked up, strong as an ox.

Very, very, how do I say this? When it comes to the squat, he is a stickler yeah for form technique and getting depth if you put your squat on youtube and you're not at a 90 degree get the fuck out of here that's basically what he said that's basically what he said he he said that kid squats 540 true 542 not the youtube half squat 540 that you would see it's like as soon as i, I was like, oh, that seems like a sensitive subject. So, you know, college guys run out. They usually have the head coach, the strength coach, flags, mascots, all that. A lot of energy, smoke, fireworks, fires, not like the Tennessee Titans.

That was awesome, by the way. Yeah, but so don't get burned. But you're going to be down there for that to kick it off. Yeah, I think I'm going to be right next to it while they're doing that. You're going to run out with them? No, no, I'm not running. The only place I'm running is up to the booth afterwards. I'm going to be down there for that to kick it off. Yeah, I think I'm going to be right next to it while they're doing that. You're going to run out with them? No, no, I'm not running. The only place I'm running is up to the booth afterwards. I'm going to be breaking in full swing.

So this is the big question. We have a little bet going. Pat, you don't know about this. It's a secret, so don't tell anybody. But we don't know if you can get from the field, which is down low, all the way up to the skybox. Nope. Because it's mostly stairs. Listen to this. I think it's three minutes you have.

The first person that talked to me about this thing was our guy, Jason. He was like, hey, we're thinking about doing it right here. I was like, oh, that's cool. That's where they come out. Yeah. And then he pointed at an elevator that was right behind him. He's like, you'll get in this elevator. We'll go right up to the booth.

You'll be good. I was like, sounds good. Then we go into the cafeteria to eat. Okay. We have good food. Thank you. Thankful to the Italian. We ate with you in the athlete dining hall today. I was like, sounds good. Then we go into the cafeteria to eat. We have good food. Thank you. Thankful to the Italian. We ate with you in the athlete dining hall today. It was very good food.

It was. It was very good food. They even had like a little slab of meat there that they cut. It was good. It's called a carving station. Amen. So, everybody leaves. I had to go pee. Everybody knows I'm a pee-er. By the way, I do. I drink a lot. I drink a lot of water.

You're not allowed to say take a leak on radio, by way we learned that you are not yeah how's that even take a leak I can't say take a leak anyway so I go and take a leak after you can't say that well this podcast but you guys left everybody left except for the one kid from uh Tulane he's sat Tulane Tul lane like two lane highway yep so i went peed i came out that kid's there and i walk out and there's three guys in front of us and they're like oh pat big fan i'm like oh thanks man nice to talk to you whatever and uh they go this is the guy that's going to be in charge of your on-field shoot tomorrow you're doing an on-field shoot tomorrow i was like yeah absolutely i think and i just heard about this like probably right before lunch so i didn't really know i was like yeah it's gonna be fun he was like all right bub this is gonna be fun now

you're shooting it there and the fastest way to get you up there is you're gonna have to run to the other end of the field to get up an elevator to be able to go up because this elevator doesn't go up there i'm so glad i bet on i bet on no chance i was like what did you just say he's like yeah the best bet now, this is just me thinking out loud here. We're going to have to see when people get in here. But if you're right there, you're going to have to run all the way down to the other side because that's the only elevator that gets to the top. I was like, I was told this elevator, well, that elevator doesn't get to where you need to go.

And I was like, well, am I going to make it over there? He was like, I told him it was going to be quite a stretch stretch and then whenever we got on the field for the picture they were like another option is you run up this stadium uh steps basically and get to the through the crowd to get to the booth so who knows i think i'm going through the crescent here's the thing i think i'm going through the crowd what What's the temperature? That doubles the time. I just looked at the temperature. It's only going to be 94. 94 in New Orleans humidity. But here's the best thing.

Even if you make it up for kickoff. Full jorts, by the way. Well, that's good. That'll help. That'll help. No, sweat. What kind of shoes? I'll have athletic shoes on.

Okay, so even if you get up there, are you going to be, A, out of breath? Yes. Sweating? Yes. Go through them all. Uncomfortable? Yeah. Unhappy?

Probably. Miserable? 10-4. Red. Bright red? Pink. Ah, no, I'm going to be bright red at that point. I won't be able to breathe.

And then I got a shirt that buttons up at the top. It's a little tight. I'm going to be strangling myself while running. It's going to be a bad situation. But, hey, Thursday Night Football on ESPN. Must-see TV. Tulane. It's a little tight. I'm going to be strangling myself while running. It's going to be a bad situation. But hey, Thursday Night Football on ESPN. Must see TV. Tulane.

Good football. Tulane. Tulane. Tulane. Tulane. I think you're saying it wrong. Okay. Maybe I am.

Am I saying it wrong? No, I'm probably saying it wrong. I think you're both saying it the same exact way. Okay. Tulane. Tulane. Yeah, that sounds about the same. You know what I've noticed a lot of what's that i feel like i'm learning slowly that the amount of success that you have had your entire life

has not been talked about enough and i'm learning that strictly from all the shit that veto Vito, to heck with you. Vito, he wants the ball. He wants it. I do. But, like, Tom Coughlin recruited you to Boston College. You were going to go to UCLA. Correct me. I committed to UCLA, and Tom Coughlin. I don't know if I've ever told you this story,

but Tom Coughlin was recruiting me to Boston College, and my dad finished with the New York Giants. Tom Coughlin was a coach on the New York Giants, and he called right after the Super Bowl, blah, blah, blah. And I said, well, coach, my dad said there's a good chance that you're going to be the next head coach of the New York Giants. I don't want to come to BC because I heard you're going to leave and go to the Giants. I'm going to UCLA. You said that to Tom Coughlin? I said that to Tom Coughlin.

As a high schooler? Yeah, and I was nervous to say it. He's an intimidating guy. Great guy, but intimidating guy. And he said, he looked at me in the eye. He goes, look at me in the eyes. I promise you, I will not leave BC to go be the head coach of the New York Giants. And I was like, okay.

I'll give you a word. Six months later, head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. So, if you're a recruit, don't be so specific with the coaches when you're asking those questions. Sam, my lady, she says I abuse the English language because I'll talk about a movie, I'll be like, yeah, I watched that movie, and Sam's like, you saw three minutes of that movie, and then he fell asleep.

But technically, I did watch the movie. Tom Coughlin did not lie to you. No, he didn't. He did not lie to you because Tom Coughlin is not a guy that lies. You better show up 15 minutes before that meeting starts, too, or Tom Coughlin will kick you the fuck out of the building. Five minutes early. It's called Coughlin time. It's a real thing.

Before Michael Strahan, I had roommates. I had his walk-on roommate, okay? His name's Charlie Smith from Baltimore, Maryland. Tom Coughlin comes tom coughlin comes in we're playing like miami hurricane somebody like that he goes all right everybody close your eyes i'm gonna give a speech and it was the most amazing speech a visual visualization the title of this speech was called take dead aim it was so amazing there's signs when he was coaching there all around the building to take dead aim so he like you know okay open your eyes whatever well this guy this walk-on charlie smith never opens his eyes now tom coughlin's like the most intimidating person of all time

and so he goes off and he's talking about miami we're playing you know ray lewis middle linebacker six foot three two thirty five four four forty going through the scouting report. And he goes, Charlie Smith, open your eyes. And we thought this dude was, he's like, get out. And it's just like legendary. Like to this day, this guy, Charlie Smith, he's like in finance somewhere. He's got like a big time job doing something. You just walk by the guy and you're like, hey, take that aim. It's like, ooh.

Tom Coughlin, everyone's still afraid of him. I'm still afraid of the speech. Tom Coughlin just shipped Jalen Ramsey. Well, I don't know if he just did. He's about to. I don't think it'll happen. Okay, well, this leads to a bigger conversation. Tom Coughlin, there's no way he can be standing for him and Doug Marone

potentially fighting on the sideline. But how do you feel about athletes utilizing their leverage, trying to get out of places they don't like to go? Yeah, I hear people talking about, like like the NFL is going to go do what the NBA has been doing. Like, hey, I'm going to force my way out. Have we already forgotten what happened to the Philadelphia Eagles? What was it, 2011? What did they call themselves? Like, it was like Nnamdi Asamoah. Oh, the dream team. What is it? They call themselves the dream team. The dream team. And it was an epic fail. Vince Young said it team. What is it? They call themselves the dream team. The dream team. Who?

And it was an epic fail. Vince Young said it. Vince Young said it. It was in Philly. What? It doesn't work. Football is different. That was wild.

He was really, really, really, really good. And then he got to Philly and it was really, really, really bad. I couldn't even guess who Nnamdi Asamoah is. He's one of the best cover corners to ever play. He played in Oakland when Al Davis basically made it mandatory that you're going to play man, bump and run, cover one, Lester Hayes, Mike Haynes style defense. Oh, I remember Nami.

He married an actress or something. Yeah, Kerry Washington. Yeah, I do remember him. So he's an amazing man coverage corner. But what happens when you play man all the time, you probably don't play zone a lot. You don't want to tackle. There's other stuff. So he goes to philly and they were running kind of like aggressive zone blitz schemes they philly was really underachieved that year

like they were terrible that year when they really everyone thought they were just going to walk through the super bowl so again i would just say like patriots don't lead the league in pro bowlers usually the opposite yet you know they're on their way to the seventh Super Bowl. I mean, they picked up Steph Curry. I mean, that's – And we'll see if that ends up being a good thing or a bad thing for them. Right now it's looking like it's probably a good thing, but we'll see. Oh, I don't know.

Right now at this current moment it looks like it's potentially a bad thing, strictly because of the more and more stuff that's coming out, right? And Robert Kraft saying if he would have known, anybody would have done it. But with this Jalen Ramsey stuff, there's only a couple places, right, where lockdown corners, that's what he is, right? He's a man-to-man guy, that's what everybody's saying?

Yeah, he's a great corner. He's tall. He's got length. Here's the other thing that's going on with him, though, is he's going to be a, he's trying to get paid at the end of the season. Brink struck two training camps. Exactly. So that's got to factor into it a little bit too.

Well, everybody's saying he's going to Andy Reidstown. I have seen that on the internet. Yeah, internet. Internet is saying with conviction. Oh. Right? With conviction. Both Andy Reidstown.

Correct, yes. Going to Andy Reidstown. I've seen the other Andy Reidstown too. Philly? Yeah, I've seen that one floated around too. Which, you know, I would just say, just from a breakdown spot, okay, Philly runs a lot of blitzes with man coverage. Kansas City, when they blitz, it's more zone coverage.

So take that for what you want it to be. And Jalen Ramsey can do it. And he did play with Doug Peterson. Is Matt Hasselbeck breaking news yet again, like the Eli to the Jets news he broke on the radio show? Is he breaking more news that Jalen is going to the Eagles? We will find out in the coming hours here in the United States of America. Is that accurate?

I think he's going to stay in Jacksonville. There's no way. I think they work it out. How awkward is that, though? That's awkward. That's like a... But you know, listen, you saw some fights on sidelines.

It happens. I agree. It does happen. Give me an example. Can you think of one? I saw Peyton fight a couple people on the sidelines. That's a good one. Peyton and Jeff Saturday.

Peyton Manning and Jeff Saturday are the best friends. Center quarterback. They're linked linked they have had fights on the sideline where it's just like legitimately almost come to blows people separate you and then it's all good like four days later like you're moving on yeah but peyton and jeff had a lot of success together doug marone jalen ramsey don't appear to be on the path of success unless webcam star Gardner Minshew is an absolute animal, which I think he is potentially.

Do you like him as a quarterback? I do. I really do. I like his swag, man. Junior college national champion. Amen. Take that, Jason Brown. Leading passer in all of college football last year. Amen. Mike Leach, the mascot of college football last year. Amen.

Mike Leach, the mascot rant is one of the most epic. Put that in right now, Ty. Come out of it. Bang. That is absolutely epic. Let's get back to it. And just the mustache, the headband, all of it. You know, he's got intangibles.

He's got an uphill battle. You can't teach those. No. Hold on. You're saying, like, that's like when people describe me as he's a. Loose cannon? Exactly. Yeah, that's exactly right.

Because you just talked about everything else he had swagger-wise, what he did in the past, but his uphill battle. You're kind of giving him, like, a, yeah, I like him. Well, they're off to a slow start. They're off to a slow start. Their best player on defense is having a lot of drama with the head coach. He wants out of town. Like, he's got to steady that ship one thing that could help him nick foale's amazing human being one of the best in the world uh hopefully after his surgery he can kind of come back and maybe lead the locker room while gardner kind of

leads on the field you know what i mean yeah maybe you don't think he's a leader off field huh wearing i'm just thinking it's a big job and he's a rookie and all this okay we interrupt this conversation for a reading by zito thank you pat get as many massages do as many stretches and take as many ice baths as you want oh that sounds good Zito if you're not getting a good night's sleep you're not recovering properly that's what they say they did say you know this kid can't read Matt that's what this is he he we have literally watched him evolve into an

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Had a baby seat. Had a baby seat. We did it together. Let's get back to the convo. We're about to get some good stuff. Speaking of another rookie, Daniel Jones just filled in for Eli. It was officially official. Officially official.

Talk to Charlie Batch earlier today. You'll hear that entire conversation. Charlie Batch, class of 98. That's my draft class. That's the draft class. Peyton Manning, Ryan Leaf, Charlie Batch, myself, Brian Greasy. I usually describe that draft class as picks 1, 2, and 187. Manning, Leaf, and me, obviously.

Sorry, Charlie Batch, you were Zane. Charlie Batch said he was in a very similar situation with the Detroit Lions. Some guy named Scott. Scott O'Donnell. Scott O'Donnell, who I never heard of before, but I guess he was the quarterback. Scott Mitchell. Scott Mitchell. Same difference.

Guy's a stooge. Scott Mitchell. You guys were confusing Neil O'Don quarterback. Scott Mitchell. Scott Mitchell. Same difference. Scott Mitchell. You guys were confusing Neal O'Donnell and Scott Mitchell. We know Neal O'Donnell. He was the guy who threw interceptions on purpose. Neal O'Donnell was just throwing a game away on purpose.

He's getting paid under a car. Scott Mitchell was the quarterback in Detroit throwing back shoulder fades to Herman Moore out of University of Virginia. He got paid. Scott Mitchell was the quarterback in Detroit, throwing back shoulder fades to Herman Moore out of University of Virginia. And he got paid. Scott Mitchell was Dan Marino's backup. And in comes out of nowhere, I think he was like a third-round pick, Charlie Batch?

Yeah. And he came in as a rookie, because I was in Green Bay at the time, fourth-string quarterback with the Packers. And this rookie in our draft class out of Central Michigan. Eastern. Eastern Michigan. Close. Got drafted our draft class out of Central Michigan. Eastern. Eastern Michigan. Close. Got drafted ahead of Brian Greasy from Michigan.

Oh. He played in the Rose Bowl against Ryan Leaf. And everyone's like, who's Charlie Batch? Charlie Batch played outstanding. He said whenever he got the gig in the week three, or was it the week three they got hurt? Week three, yeah. I think it was the same exact situation as Daniel Jones is currently in.

He said the best thing that the Giants could possibly do is tell him he doesn't have to look over his shoulder that any time he struggles, Eli Manning's potentially coming back in. He said if he could potentially just be freed of that worry, it would be much better off for Daniel Jones than everybody because he said whenever he was playing, they told him it was his job. Hey, it's your job. Go for it. Do what you got to do. If Daniel Jones starts to struggle and the Boo Birds come out again at MetLife Stadium,

he said it could become a problem if he thinks if Eli Manning goes back in. They said this has to be a decision that's final, final, has to be it. Do you agree with that? Yeah, well, it makes a lot of sense, and I trust Charlie Batch's opinion. He's a really bright guy. I would say this, a similarity in that because Scott Mitchell fumbled a bunch week one against Green Bay at Green Bay, part of what started the process of him maybe losing his job.

On that team, they had a great running back in Barry Sanders. And on this New York Giants team, they have a great running back in Saquon Barkley. So if you're going to run the thing through the running back So if you're going to run the thing through the running back, if you're going to run the offense through the running back, it's not the worst thing ever to have a quarterback that's maybe more mobile that can be like naked bootlegs. Is he mobile, Daniel? He's a good runner.

You'd be shocked. I didn't know that. We mentioned it earlier. We said he had to be more than Eli. And then someone actually tweeted me who was listening to the show and said he ran for 200 yards in a game last year in college. By the way, I did not know that. If I had known that and didn't just completely stereotype his ass

for being a white guy from Duke, I think I would have been more on board with the draft. But I think if you know Saquon Barkley is going to be the guy, that defense stinks. That defense is bad. So they're going to have to try to keep that defense off the field as much as possible, which is drain the clock, which is how you do it. How do you do it, Matt?

Yeah, run the ball. You run the ball. Stay on the field. So if they're going to run the ball anyways with Saquon, and you've got a guy who's an athlete, and the future is what we're looking towards, it makes sense that they're benching eli at this point it's just like will eli in the manning heights be able to settle the score with this honestly it's just too bad that they waited till week three i think for my

perspective waited i think eli deserved better like they should have given eli a proper goodbye like week three of the season is not a proper transition. Darius Butler said if they would have just had Daniel Jones start the season, Eli Manning would have ended his career with a winning record. They let him lose these so that he would not have a win. Do you guys remember? Do you guys remember? Hey, do you remember maybe two years ago when Jacksonville's defense was amazing?

Yes. They were amazing. And Leonard Four's defense was amazing. Yes. They were amazing. And Leonard Fournette was amazing. Yeah. And Blake Bortles was struggling. And they were an AFC championship team. That was the year. That was the time right before Halloween, right before the trade deadline.

They should have traded Eli Manning to Tom Coughlin. No one in the world loves Eli Manning like Tom Coughlin does. Like Tom Coughlin, if you say, hey. Do you think Tom Coughlin would have looked Eli no one in the world loves eli manning like tom coughlin does like tom coughlin if you say hey you think tom coughlin would have looked eli manning in the eye and said i promise you no he likes eli manning a lot more than he likes me but that would have been the opportunity to send him off in style hey we're gonna the giants were awful that year we're gonna and he was getting crushed we're to send you to a Super Bowl contender. The Giants are already out. You guys look forward to the next year's draft.

Thank you for everything you've done for us. Giants fans, go root for Jacksonville. Half of New York, when they get old anyway, what do they do? They move to Florida. It's no big deal. That's what they should have done. And while they did it, the day they did it, they should have put up a bronze statue of Eli right outside the stadium you think he gets a statue two super bowls come on yes for

sure nick foals has a statue i'm all about the man is getting statues okay i like the manning family uh one of the mannings still care of me pretty well pete manning has a statue that's what i'm saying i'm all about the man is getting statues but i think it's going to take a little bit to get elis this is much like the thing i'm saying you should you could have should have done it then now this is all can't do a statue now i'm disappointed with how this went down can't do a statue right now can't do a statue right now it's gonna have to be a few years before he gets a statue i don't know what to do right now it's a mess if you wait 10 years everyone forgets about it then that's what i'm saying you do it you do it later time heals all wounds especially time heals all uh just awkward right now play a highlight reel super bowls yeah yeah

it's like whenever a player comes back to a team that the team literally just cut them and kick them out of the door but then they run the highlight package and thank them for it like that's you know it feels like it's a good moment something like that's gonna have to happen with eli like is there a ring of honor over there probably i'd assume so yeah i think that'll be what if five years down the road three years down the road he gets on ring of honor they do a statue thing thank you we thank you sorry about how this all ended it's kind of bad i think that is how it'll all work out personally that's what i think i think personally like and the fans will probably blame it mostly on gettleman and ownership yeah yeah and won't

hold it against you i don't I actually don't really blame anybody. Please, please. Gettleman refused to allow Mike Francesa to come to training camp and get access to everybody. Is that not accurate? That is 1,000% accurate. And look what's happening. Okay, I'm just saying that's like a one big happy family. You're not just skipping right by what I just said. You're not just going to shrug that off. It's happening. Okay. I'm just saying that's like a one big happy family, right?

You're not just skipping right by what I just said. You're not just going to shrug that off. It's a sports pope. Okay. Sure, sure. I'll give that to you. Thank you. So it's Gettleman's fault.

No. Gettleman. Listen. I rested my case just a few minutes ago. Gettleman, just like Tom Coughlin, loves Eli Manning to a fault. Okay. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if he named somebody or something after Eli Manning. Like, he has a ton of respect for him.

That's why it's hard to cut the cord at the right time. Because you want to hang on. Like, that's why I think partly why Bill Belichick and the Patriots have been so successful. They are willing to cut the cord whenever when it emotionally would be very difficult. If you remember, they had a great, great strong safety in Lawyer Malloy. Leader, captain. They cut him right before, like final cut before a game. It shook the team.

They went up to Buffalo and lost 31 to nothing. The Patriots lost to Buffalo 31 to nothing. By the way, Bills are undefeated right now. Could be the best team to ever step on a field in the NFL. But it shook the team. But that's how he runs the team. Like he never lets you like sneak a year out of like lack of productivity. Like he almost gets you early.

The Giants have basically done the opposite. They're like, oh, well, this is Eli. You know, he almost gets you early. You know, the Giants have basically done the opposite. They're like, oh, well, this is Eli. You know, he's meant so much. It's not like, it's not a what have you done for me lately thing. Belichick would have been like, oh. I actually think Eli Manning could play really good football, though, with a veteran team, with a good defense, with a strong running game, good pass protection.

That's just not what the Giants have been doing. The Giants have been just in this remodel. That's why it's just really not a great fit. Well, hopefully Eli does his thing. Tom Coughlin, if he ends up with it. By the way, if Eli has one year that's like a celebration run down in Jacksonville, that would be kind of cool, especially if they do good. It's kind of like what you did with the Colts.

I think they missed the window, though. The Jags were really good. Oh were oh you say you can't play anymore use use goods i don't see i just you know i don't know i listen for me i entered the league as a backup i think it was it was really hard for me to go from being a starter for 10 years in seattle then in tennessee and then just sort of swallow my pride and go back up and that never really gets talked about but i think think because, and it was hard, but because I was a backup for the first three and a half years of my career, like I understood the value of it.

And I really understood that there were older guys that I played with the guys we mentioned, or even Jeff George or Mark Rippon or Trent Dilfer. Like there were all these guys that I played with that poured into me and helped me in my career. And when I was, you know, kind of had the chance to sign somewhere else, to go maybe start for a bad team or go to maybe a Super Bowl contender and back up a great talent, Andrew Luck in this case, I was like, you know what? I'm going to pay it back what was paid to me.

But it was hard to swallow your pride as a starter a longtime starter to go be a backup i can't see someone who was the first pick overall like eli manning that even ever entering his mind to go be a backup it is hard it is a hard thing you got to really love the guy you're being the backup to and love the team you're on. That's a thing. When that happened to you, who did you have a conversation with? Yourself, or did you talk to your wife? Did you talk to your brother?

Did you talk to anybody that was like, hey, this is a real-life moment here. This is the moment where I have to look in the mirror and say, hey, okay, are my days as a starter done, or do I go help a guy like that? So my second year in Tennessee, they had drafted Jake Locker, the eighth pick overall. I had decided to go there out of the NFL lockout, and it was really the first time that I had really been placed in that kind of a situation. And the second year, they were like, hey, you know what? Jake's ready.

He's going to be the starter. And so it was Jake Locker and another guy, another backup quarterback about his age. So here you got me, the old guy, I'm older than 35. And then these two young guys, I loved it. Like I love those guys. I love working with them. I love pouring back into them, helping them. They, they made me younger. I felt younger. And so after that year, it was like, yeah, you know what? Andrew Luck, I don't know Andrew Luck, but I've seen what I see out of this guy. He's tough. He's a fierce competitor. I respect him.

Yeah, whatever. I'll give it a run. And I had actually said no to the Colts twice. They had offered me to like, hey, come here to be Andrew Luck's backup. I'm like, oh, appreciate it, but not interested. You know, because I wasn't there. Like mentally, I was like, no, no, no. I'm not a backup. I'm a starter. I'm going to oh, I appreciate it, but not interested. You know, because I wasn't there, like mentally. I was like, no, no, no, I'm not a backup. I'm a starter.

I'm going to go do that. Excuse me, I worked my ass off here. I make all of the plays and all of the money. But there's a lot to be said for being in a great organization that understands how to win, that expects to play at a championship level. And not every NFL team is that way. And as a player, it can get incredibly frustrating. And you see guys saying, hey, I want out of town.

It's not that you're a selfish person all the time. It's just that you as a player get to play a very small number of years. And you don't want to waste years while somebody else is like, well, we're just going to. You don't want to do that. You're in it to win that. You want to. You're in it to win it. Like you're putting your body in the line.

I'm in it to win it. Started from the bottom. Now you're here. It was awesome. How do you feel about Lux retirement? I'm sure you've had to talk about this 4,000 times. SportsCenter, by the way, when you go on there, they expect you to answer things in 21 seconds.

They tell you not to talk anymore. I mean, I'm trying to find Wi-Fi in my house. I have no Wi-Fi in my house. I'm trying to find Wi-Fi. I click in. I connect. I do it. I think I do good.

Then I get an email. It's like, take it easy. When you're giving your answers, we need them to be pretty precise. Not a podcast. I'm i'm like well what do you want me to say about andrew luck this is a lot to dissect here there's a lot going on and that's not something i'm great at there are people that are incredible at it but i'm sure you've got a chance to talk about it a lot what do you feel i know we share a booth there's three of us to talk in between these plays and we got like dana holgerson going speedy tempo here mike leach style hey tempo matters bro yeah tempo tempo tempo question about andrew luck um you know

it's disappointing because he had so much potential by the way if we want to talk about tempo like this isn't sports so we can talk about tempo before we get to the andrew luck okay all right well i tell you what do you feel about Andrew Luck? Just a quick answer. Honestly, he's in a good spot right now. Like, he's in a good spot. He thinks he's done playing football forever. I think he's done playing football, too, forever. Yeah.

I think a lot of people think that. I don't. I don't think he's done. I just know what I felt like at 40 years old retiring. Like it was a hard season. I got banged up, beat up. It was just, it was tough. I had no, like, it was like, I can't do this again.

I really don't think I can do this. At 41, yeah, I could maybe do this. At 42, like you feel healthier. Like having 12 months off, you get mentally recharged, obviously physically recharged. I'm just saying I wouldn't count it out. He is such a freak athlete and such a talent, and there is such a dearth of quarterbacks out there.

Whoa, what does that word? There's a small amount of quarterbacks out there. Dearth? Yeah, it's like a paucity. You'll be using that tomorrow. Yeah, that's making the air. Dearth? So anyway. What does dearth mean? It's like a paucity. You'll be using that tomorrow. Yeah, that's making the air. Durst? So anyway. What does durst mean?

It's like a small amount. Oh, my God. I can't wait to say somebody picked up a durst yardage. I'm surprised you didn't know. It's an SAT word probably. I doubt it. I wouldn't have known it. Anyway, I don't know.

I don't have any inside knowledge on that. It's just sort of a gut feel based on how I felt at age 42. I'm sure at age 30 and more of a freak athlete, he'll be fine. That's my guess. That's how everybody wanted me to answer about Vinatieri's thing. And I talked to him. That went out of control like a wildfire. One tweet.

Steven Holder tweet. That's why I went. He said, i just saw vinny he was walking out i asked him uh if we could talk to him he says leave and he'll talk to you tomorrow i said well you guys have an off day tomorrow and then vinny said you'll see me and then he just sent that out there and i don't even know if stephen holder meant to do this or not but boy he knew there was a firestorm that came like oh venetarius retiring tomorrow venetarius retiring tomorrow and i don't even think venitario knew this conversation was happening on the plane right in case he's on

the plane he has android he didn't have one he has an android yeah yes so i don't know green texter so i'm not sure i'm not sure he even knew any of this was happening so when he landed it was just like ding ding ding ding ding on his phone oh my gosh so then when i talked to him oh that's unbelievable and when i talked to him he was miserable you know like he was obviously miserable talked to him, he was miserable, you know? Like he was obviously miserable. Yeah. But I didn't want to ask him. Because he's a perfectionist. Most competitive human I've ever been around in my life.

That's why he's been in for so long. That's why he will go on to do well because of the way everybody's been talking about him these last two weeks. Yeah. He is going to go on and do well strictly out of spite against everybody, I think, because of how competitive he is. But I didn't want to ask him his answer because I didn't want to jeopardize our relationship with each other. Yeah, I get that. I didn't want to ask him what he was doing.

Because if it did get out, I didn't want him to think that I was anywhere near the person. I value our friendship a lot more than I do potentially getting a leak on Adam Vinatieri retiring. Can't say take a leak, by the way. Can I get a leak on information? I think that works. Context. I mean, FCC needs to figure it the fuck out.

Anyways. So, I didn't even ask him that. But everybody wanted, like, I was getting people on my DMs from ESPN, Fox. You're talking everywhere. They're like, have you talked to Adam? Have you talked to Adam? Have you talked to Adam? And I didn't answer anybody. But I wanted to respond and be like, yeah, I have. But what do you have you talked to Adam? Have you talked to Adam? Have you talked to Adam? And I didn't answer anybody, but I wanted to respond

and be like, yeah, I have, but what do you want me to just tell you? Is that something that you felt pressure doing? Especially with the Andrew news, because you're friends with him. Your name was mentioned in the press conference. Everybody wanted to talk to Matt Hasselbeck. His name wasn't mentioned. You weren't mentioned.

Can I tell you a funny story? Did I already tell you my story about Josh McC mccown no no you all you talked about a story about him yeah so we're watching andrew luck retirement breaks okay and uh and and he's going through the list of people he's thanking he's thanking all these quarterbacks and he like goes through a bunch of guys and like doesn't mention me and i'm like oh it's okay you know whatever i in and then he mentions me and says something very very nice pretty big you're like a solo at the end but uh i get a text from josh mccown great guy okay get a text he's like hey man i just like a heartfelt text for from josh is like and this is so josh like he's a thoughtful person this is why he's going to be amazing for

carson once this year obviously no surprise there he sends me this great text like hey man like uh just gotta say it's really cool almost teared up you know listening to what andrew said about you and what you meant to him true and i wrote back i go well that's funny because i almost teared up when i thought he forgot about me i always i always hope to be a name in one of those speeches like if vinnie retires and i don't get a mention boy that, that's going to be a rough day for me. Well, Jerry Rice, I used to tell my teammates, Jerry Rice, I was one of the first people that Jerry Rice thanked in his Hall of Fame speech. We were teammates in Seattle.

He gets traded from the Oakland Raiders to Seattle. He asks Steve Largen if he can wear the number. And I say to people all the time, I'm like, I said to my teammates all the time back then, and I say to people all the time, I'm like, said to my teammates all the time back then, I'm like, oh, well, you know, it meant a lot to me when Jerry Rice thanked me in his Hall of Fame speech. I'm like, really? I missed it. You know, what did he say? He's like, well, I just want to thank all my teammates. That was me. It was like you watching the movie. That was me. Yeah, he thanked me there. Just like that stadium at Boston College.

Just like that stadium. So I don't know if you guys know, the stadium at Boston College was named after me the day I graduated. Really? Yeah, it's big. So I told the wide receiver group that in Tennessee because I come in, you know, out of the lockouts, come in from Seattle, new guy, new quarterback. These receivers are like, who's this, you know, old, bald, white dude coming in as our quarterback? And then I dropped that on them. You know, the stadium was named after me the day I graduated at Boston College.

And it was like, hmm, okay. This dude must be the truth. Got a little street cred. You know, it was like, all right, you might be legit. So there you go. And it's true. It's Boston College Alumni Stadium. Alumni Stadium.

I'd like to know who the receiver is. There's my dad joke. Who were the receivers in Tennessee that didn't know you'd been in the league for a while? Kenny Britt. Kenny Britt was our go-to guy. He was getting the ball fed to him a lot back. Something happened. What, did he speed or something?

Kenny Britt, I might screw this up. Great guy, kind of misunderstood. He had been, like, arrested several times, but never actually got in trouble. For speeding, right? Yeah, but, like, he got arrested for, like, not doing anything bad. Yeah. He got arrested for, like, talking back. Yeah.

You know, like, that kind of stuff. But awesome guy, great smile, infectious personality, great talent. I went in there thinking, who's this guy? I've heard about this Kenny Britt guy. I get in there, he's the nicest, greatest guy ever. Another guy, Randy Moss, had just been there after the Minnesota incident where, I forget what happened, maybe it a straight cash homie or whatever he ends up he he ends up in tennessee then has a falling out with them over like catering or food or something that's awesome i had kind of had this image in my head of like what randy moss was how he was portrayed in the media i get to tennessee right after him

and uh i'm like oh yeah what was that r Moss like? And it was like everybody in the building couldn't have said better things about him. Oh, awesome guy, really smart football IQ, like really amazing. Everybody loved him. It just was so funny because the media had portrayed everybody a certain way. Do you feel obligated as a member of the media now to portray things in an accurate way because there's a lot of people before social media who their story was only told by a select group of people that got a chance either to write or get on camera yeah do you feel as if that is something that the media is getting more accurate now people's stories or do you think they're still trying to hang on and paint images but

social media is right i think there's definitely been more power put in the hands of the athlete now that you have you know the ability to post like your side of the story i think for me like i even came to indy to be your teammate and uh that's not the only reason i came there but i was in indy happy you came to be my teammate i had heard all about this canal incident you know you in the canal yeah and you getting arrested and i saw the mugshot with the you know twisted sister hairdo and all that stuff you know whatever it is but then i heard your story in pat mcafee uncaged i heard your version of the story that's real and it was like oh well because when i read the police report i read it this way and when i google you i read it this way but then

when I hear your version of the story it's like it's the same story but you're putting the emphasis on a different syllable totally different story yeah it's real because what you read on like anytime I talk normally if you just take my words verbatim they probably mean a lot different than if you listen to me say the things. So I always say that if they put it on paper, if they were to write my words out, there's nothing you could say about me. On my delivery, I can really insinuate some things, right? Like I'll compliment somebody to the death of me. But if you were to listen to the way I was saying it, everybody in the room knows that I'm burying that person. But if they put it on paper, it's like, okay, this is what he said.

He said, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. But if you were to listen to it, it's like, that didn't mean anything. Same thing with the police report from me. Same thing with Jay Cutler, I think. Jay Cutler and the media had a terrible relationship. I think he wasn't as open as they had liked or something like that. So they chose to show him pouting on the sideline.

They chose to show his bad moments when it happens to everybody. I think Twitter was a thing too. You remember that playoff game where he tours MCL? I think Green Bay. Oh, he's so comfortable on the sideline. Right. So like Twitter takes off,

everyone's speculating. You get other athletes. Well, I had an MCL once, you know, I did this. It's speculating. You get other athletes. Well, I had an MCL once. You know, I did this. It's unfair to the player. And as the player, you have no idea that it's going on. You mentioned Vinatieri having no idea.

Jay Cutler, you know, to defend him a little bit, he probably came out after that game thinking, like, what on earth just happened? And I think he went to dinner that night with his wife and maybe a couple other couples, which was, like, planned in advance. Like, you're allowed to go to dinner. You're allowed to eat. No, you're not.

No, you lose the football game, Matt. But then Twitter, again, was just crushing him about, oh, how dare he go to a nice restaurant. And he didn't even have crutches. Like, if you, I don't know, like, if you've ever torn your MCL, like, you don't necessarily need crutches. But you can't necessarily play professional quarterback. Right. So, like, it's just a little bit unfair. But had Jake sort of, like, used social media the way players today use social media.

I love that Tom Brady utilizes social media. He's done a great job. He came out of nowhere and has done a great job. Because that takes every coach that says, oh, I don't like social media. It distracts my players. Well, the greatest player of all time does it. So do you have anything? Is there anything else you'd like to say, sir?

Well, I don't want you guys to go cliff jumping in Costa Rica. Well, Tom Brady does it. Tom Brady actually dragged his daughter off a cliff. Well, then it's okay. It is true. He's a trendsetter. He is? I remember, like, there was a time when, like, only women wore Lululemon.

Like, really. Like, it wasn't like a lot of guys wearing Lululemon. I think we're still in that time. No. I think we're pretty firmly. Listen, I remember it was like 2010 maybe, 2009. That's almost a decade. Brady starts rocking Lululemon, Ugg slippers.

Now the Uggs are real. All of a sudden, drinking Smart Water. Now all of a sudden, like, quarterbacks around the league, they're wearing Ugg boots with, like, the fur hanging out. They're in Lululemon. I still think he was the only one doing the Ugg thing. No, I'm all in on the Uggs. Outside of your house?

I've never worn a pair of Uggs outside of my house. But you can. Like, Brady did it. I thought about wearing my slippers on a plane this morning. I thought about wearing my Ugg slippers on a plane. I'm just saying, once Tom broke the seal for us, he kind of broke the ice. It's all good. It's a thing now.

I like it. I like what Tom Brady does off the field. Boy, people hate him, though. People hate Tom Brady. Oh, my God. That's what happens when you're at the top, you know? Everybody wants to see you fall off that mountain, Matt. Everybody wants to see you fall off that mountain.

He's gotten better looking as he's gone. If you look at his rookie season to now, like he's really one of the most handsome people on the planet right now. Yeah, Kurt Warner, same thing. I told Kurt Warner that in an interview the other day. I said, you look like bad bones whenever you're playing football. Now you're – Now you look great.

Now you look great. He said he tries it. I're – And he looked great. And now you look great. He said he tries at it. I didn't think he looked bad. You know, his jersey was never fitted. He had, like, big sleeves. Kind of looked like he got his jersey from, like, the pro shop. And I think he even said that was an accurate statement. He said he did get it from the pro shop.

But I think, like, some quarterbacks like that loose fit so they can just, you know, like – Sling it, Sam Bradford. Like Sam Bradford. Those sleeves are – What did you do? You had it tight. Yeah, but I was a little bit vain.

Like I was just, I didn't want it. I cared more about the look than anything else. You know what I learned from Vinatieri? But golfers are like that. They got baggy sleeves. I learned with Vinatieri, whenever he said he's battling demons, right now he says he's got to get some demons out in between his ears or whatever.

He's the greatest of all time. Yeah. Right now, he says he's got to get some demons out in between his ears or whatever. Mm-hmm. It happens. He's the greatest of all time. Yeah. If you're a younger kicker or punter who is potentially battling a little negativity inside your head, like, you should know that that even happens to the greatest of all time. I think it was a good thing. Yeah. You talking about you were so vain, so you used that thing, or it was hard for you to go down and be a backup. Like, I think that's a really good

thing that people hear they never get to hear like that you know what i mean like nobody knew that the greatest full-time everybody thought vinnie was a steel trap me included i thought vinnie was this this um marksman i always had him i always held him up in this such high regard when it came to kicking footballs because he's the greatest of all time for so long so to hear almost like a human side of him i'm like i had those two man i'm happy i'm not the only one because i would never tell vinnie like you know vinnie like right now i'm thinking i'm about to hit a ball out there for whatever reason because i always thought i would embarrass myself to vinitaria he's the greatest of all time i think vinnie would look at me and be like why you do that you like humanized him almost i like

him even more now after this whole situation there's some people they just enter they're in a pressure situation where they can't screw it up. People get in slumps all the time in sports. Like a kicker, you just can't. You get in a slump, you're gone. They find someone to replace you. It's no different out in the real world. There's people that can have an off week. Some people are in a sales

job. They can't have an off week. Surgeons can't have an off day. Right. Or you're a single parent and you're barely struggling to make ends meet. You know know what i gotta nail this like i gotta do it all like people are counting on me and it's it's tough it happens and guys are human i mean who was the guy the second baseman for the uh new york yankees chuck knoblock knoblock he kind of like got through a stretch where he couldn't throw from second to first like people are human like it's a you hit these ups and downs these seasons of highs seasons of lows but uh i think for me well just about adam

like he'll get back to what fundamentals and technique and he'll get to fix you know assuming he's healthy and whatnot but like for a quarterback probably the same for a punter, you just got to, like, have a short-term goal. You know what I mean? Like, get a short focus. Like, you don't have to, like, see the whole – like, maybe it's, like, one day at a time. You know, like, we're talking all these college coaches. All these college coaches, these great programs, they say, hey,

our goal this season is to go 1-0 this week. You know, that's how you get – Frank Grunt. That's Frank Grunt's entire model. Let's get 1% better today. And it's those – it's those, I think – i don't know if you call them like leadership lessons but like how do you pull yourself up out of a funk like how do you do that that's that's one of the ways that i think i know it helped me i think a lot of people do that you know what i focused on when i

was in the league and it really helped me whatever was next i was focused on whatever was next right now and then okay what do i have next so was focused on whatever was next right now and then okay what do i have next so like for instance i went into bob and tom on tuesdays and there was plenty of weeks where i would go in there on tuesdays or day off and i had no idea who we were playing on sunday i had no clue at all but i knew 7 a.m on wednesday i had to be back in the building for a meeting and i knew if i did that meeting good paid attention to maybe help my teammates our team will get better then Then I knew I had a lift. Then I knew I had cornhole for about four hours.

Then I knew. That is an NFL locker room for a punter. Cornhole for four hours. Then I knew I had practice. And I was like, okay, if at practice I get better, it'll all pay off. And then I didn't even think about the game until Saturday night after snack where there was nothing until the game. And that's that short-term focus.

I think that's 100% accurate. Triple H, who goes from being an international businessman to being a professional wrestler to being a mentor to being a husband to being a dad, all in a span of 24 hours while traveling the globe. He said all he tries to do is be present, right? Whatever he's at right now, he's just trying to be all in. He said if he's with his family, he's all he tries to do is be present right whatever he's at right now he's just trying to be all in he said if he's with his family he's all in with his family if he's a business he's all in with his with his business and all revolves around Chuck saying be where your feet are your feet

are it is such an accurate thing and then he obviously followed up with well I take my daughter to horse rat back riding lessons and sometimes my feet aren't in things I'd like to be talking about horseshit but what about horse shit. But what I was talking about is a bigger sense. All those cliches make sense. Cliches are a cliche for a reason. Don't worry about tomorrow. Tomorrow will worry about itself. Keep the main thing the main thing, bro.

There you go. Dawn is always the brightest after the darkest dawn. Nope. You want to give that one another shot? Sun is always the brightest after the darkest dawn. There it is. There it is, Diggs. You guys were just rattling off so many great ones that I just popped in real quick.

You kind of stumbled over it a little bit. Yeah, that's fine. That's what I'm here for. All right, I think that's it. It's been pretty good. Have we been here for like 40 minutes? Yeah, for sure. At least.

Show's over. I think the air conditioner unit you're renting might have the rental might have ended matt gone you have no idea about this box truck air conditioning tim mcafee poured his soul into this place even had an air conditioning put in but when you are battling Mother Nature in New Orleans with the thickness, are you down? Are you down? 94 and humid. With the thickness.

And when we were in Winston-Salem, it was thick down there. This air conditioner has been put to the test, put to the limit, and this is much cooler than it was last week. It was 124 in that thing last week, and you put on that XFL hoodie. What is that all about? What's going on? Let's get to the bottom of that. XFL, Charlie Batch's quarterback coach in Detroit that

year was Jim Zorn, who was my quarterback coach in Seattle. He is now the new head coach of the XFL Dragons. I don't know. I thought it was cool. I thought it was cool. Yeah, but it was 124 degrees in here and you put on a hoodie. He did it again this time when he came in. Trying to show a little love to XFL.

You're a three-quarter zip guy. I'm making weight like a wrestler, dude. I've been eating with this guy. This dude eats 35 ounces of meat on the road. I do eat too much. Hey, by the way, not to get ahead, like all that 1-0 talk and be where your feet are, but next week, kind of excited for our Thursday night game next week. Yeah, of course.

Me, too. Memphis, Tennessee. Oh, we're done walking on Beale Street. We're with Elvis. You can't root for Memphis. Memphis has a great coach. Why can't I root for Memphis? Navy.

They're playing the Naval Academy. Oh, my God. American heroes? You just rooted against America. No, no, I didn't. I didn't know they were playing. I didn't know they were playing. I just said I don't root against America.

I said I don't look forward. I look to right now. I'm in a podcast. I don't even know. Oh, my gosh. We'll dump that. You't root it against America. I said I don't look forward. I look to right now. I'm in a podcast. I don't even know who it is. Oh, my gosh. We'll dump that. You can't root against America. Ty, dump that.

Ty, dump it. Anyways, show's over. Please. Walking in Memphis. Think JT will be the game? Who that? JT. Justin. I think JT will be at the game. Who that? JT. Justin.

Timberlake. I think so. I think Justin Timberlake will be there for TNF on ESPN. All the stars come out Thursday night football on ESPN. Lindsey Lohan was there last week. Pretty big name. Freaky Friday. What happened in that group text?

Friday the 13th. There was a group text with everybody in it from ESPN, and I can't always keep up with it because I'm in the middle of something but I'll look down on my phone

and be like, okay, 75 text messages in this group. So I scroll back through it and it's just GIFs of Lindsay Lohan. I'm like,

how the fuck do we get here? It was a freaky Friday, Friday the 13th. It was a full moon. It was like a whole promo. Lindsay Lohan is... The movie.

Oh. Freaky Friday. I watch that movie. It's a Disney movie. Don't Freaky Friday. I watch that movie. It's a Disney movie. Don't worry about it. My first Disney movie? What was my first Disney movie? Remember the Titans.

Moana. That's a Disney movie? Yeah, it probably was Moana. Great movie. Moana also. I like Moana. What was your first Disney movie? I think it was Remember the Titans.

Is that the... Is Remember the Titans a Disney movie? Yes. Yes, it is a Disney movie? Yes. Of course it is. Yeah, it is. Hey. Of course it is. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

All the classics. You're talking about all the classics, I think. I've never seen any of the classics. I saw Aladdin, a new one with Will Smith. Banger. Absolute banger. Can't believe I don't have a pet named Abu yet. Can't wait.

Going to make that happen. I'm a big Disney guy all of a sudden. I work for Disney. No big deal. Yeah, that't wait. Gonna make that happen. I'm a big Disney guy. I work for Disney. No big deal. Yeah, it's true. Mickey Mouse. Mickey. Sometimes Mickey Mouse does some things that make me want to smack him right in the mouth. Dump it.

Dump it. You can't have it. Dump it. Did you hear the Stooge of the Week yesterday on the live show? I didn't. It's a new segment with Ty Schmidt. I was flying. It's Stooge of the Week yesterday on the live show? I didn't. It's a new segment with Ty Schmidt. I was flying. It's Stooge of the Week. Do you want to go through it again? Who is this week's Stooge of the Week?

It was Aaron Carter, and actually there's been some breaking news on that. Nick Carter has filed for a restraining order from him. So he definitely is a stooge and a sellout. That's a guy named Mark Madden. He's a radio show host in Pittsburgh. Ty Schmidt's just been watching his YouTube and videos of him basically for the last three days. He might be his new favorite character.

Is that accurate? Yeah, I love him. He tells it how it is. He's rarely ever wrong. Genius IQ. What's there not to love? He's a hot take taker in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania who they give four hours to? Three hours.

Three hours to on a music station, prime time. They shut off the music, the X, 10590X. They shut off the music and just let one man in a microphone in Pittsburgh for three hours and he just goes.

What station did you listen to growing up in Pittsburgh? DVE I listened to as a kid with my old man because they had a morning show on. Josh Miller actually was on that show every once in a while. Is that his name? Yeah.

Hilarious punter. Hilarious. Hilarious punter. Lefty for the Steelers. I listened to 102.5. I listened to the B. Oh, B93. B94.

B94. That was like pop. Then there was Wham-O. 93, 94. Then there was Wham-O if we really wanted to get with it. 106.7. 106.7 Wham-O. Then there was Wham-O, if we really wanted to get with it.

106.7. 106.7 Wham-O. And then 105.9 The X is where you can find Mark Madden, who is an absolute genius, and he hates stooges and sellots. And now our great friends at 96.1. Love, Kiss, Freak. That's in high school I listened to this show called The Freak Show with Mikey and Big Bob. They were a morning show every single morning.

They did a Hot Mom check-in. They did all these little segments for radio. I mean, as high schoolers, it was like a hilarious thing. They're still on the air right now, and they're big fans of mine. It's like a really cool moment. Toot, toot.

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people that are just massive fans of mine. Toot, toot. Everywhere I go, I just run into these big-ass fans. Toot, toot. There's a yin-splosion every Thursday. Every Thursday.

Alright, I'm out. One more. Toot-toot! Do that in the booth. I will. I'll do it every time. Hey, when the two-lane train comes rolling into town, toot-toot!

University of Houston needs to get out of the way. Get off the tracks. I'll tell you what, they only picked up a dearth of yardage there, but if they picked up any more, that means that Tulane train was going to really get rolling. That is the last thing that Dana Holgerson wants, because whenever you hear that, that's all of New Orleans rallying behind you.

It's like Mardi Gras about to run a gangbang on your team. I can't say that in the booth. Happy we got that out now. All right. Ty Schmidt hit the music. Before Ty Schmidt hits the music and sends us all on our way here and do an incredible Thursday night football on ESPN, Matt Hasewick has something he'd like to say.

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A guy I knew I was wrong My mother was a tailor She sewed my new jeans And my father was a gambling man Way down in New Orleans And the only thing he can't believe Is a suitcase and a trunk And the only time he's satisfied is when he's on the truck. Thank you. Oh, mother, tell your children Not to do what I have done

Don't spend your life in sin and misery In the house of the rising sun I got one foot on that platform And another on that train And I'm going back to New Orleans To where they moan and cheer There is a house in New Orleans They call it Rise of Sun It has been the ruin of many a poor boy

Dear God, I know I was wrong Dear God, I know I was wrong Thank you.