The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1070 - Feel Good Friday With Joe Montana, LA Chargers Head Coach Jim Harbaugh, Michael Lombardi, Ian Rapoport, Pacman Jones, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: February 2, 2024

On today’s show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about everything happening around the NFL as all the Head Coaching positions have been filled and now we wait for Super Bowl Sunday. They also discuss 49ers CEO Jed York’s press conference about Kyle Shanahan saying during training camp last year that he thought Brock Purdy was the best QB on the team, Jim Harbaugh’s introductory press conference, and everything else happening around the league. Joining the progrum to conclude GOAT week and chat about the Super Bowl and his career as a whole is 4x Super Bowl Champion, 3x Super Bowl MVP, 2x MVP, the original GOAT, Joe Montana (19:11-45:53). Next, new Head Coach of the LA Chargers, Jim Harbaugh joins the show to discuss taking the Chargers job, why he’s been successful in both college and the NFL, coaching Justin Herbert, putting a staff together, his culture, how the NFL has changed since he was the Head Coach of the 49ers, and much more (1:27:02-1:48:39). Next, 3x Super Bowl Champion, former GM, host of the Lombardi Line and GM Shuffle podcast, and NY Times best-selling author, Michael Lombardi joins the show to chat about how Bill Belichick was left out of a Head Coaching position, how he thinks it all came to be, and every other major coaching change that has happened this offseason (1:54:28-2:20:46). Next, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport joins the progrum to wrap up the week that was before we head to the Super Bowl (2:22:42-2:40:31). And lastly, Adam Pacman Jones joins the show ahead of his single release party at Magic City in Atlanta, for his first single that is being released by Universal Music, “Ferrari Kit” (2:43:26-2:49:27). Make sure you subscribe to YouTube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. Or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this Feel Good Friday, February 2nd, 2024. This sports program starts right now. Football is glorious, and this week we have attempted to do something that I'm not sure has ever happened before. Certainly not for our program. Now, we had the incredible opportunity to chit-chat with Tom Brady on Tuesday. Greatest of all time in everybody's eyes. Oh, yeah. Then on Wednesday,

when we were talking to Travis Kelsey, Patrick Mahomes actually dropped his head and decided that thing. It's like, wait a second now. Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes are. And then Peyton Manning was on the show just yesterday because he's talking about the Pro Bowl games and what started last night.

He's coaching one of them. So you got Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Peyton Manning. And it's like, hold on. Now there's about five to six people that are on basically everybody's Mount Rushmore list. But there's one particular guy that we've never had on our program. And if we were to have him on this particular program, especially because he played for both teams that are playing in the Super Bowl

next weekend, this would be like an NFL quarterback Mount Rushmore week that just kind of we stumbled into. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news, Joe Montana is joining us. Hell yeah. In about 19 minutes. Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana. Wow. Let's have an incredible week before the Super Bowl week.

We can't wait to chat with him. It's our first time ever having him on the program. He is a Pittsburgh guy, a Western Pennsylvania guy, who obviously went on to do phenomenal things in the football world. Everybody loves him. It's our first time ever having him on a program. He is a Pittsburgh guy, a western Pennsylvania guy, who obviously wanted to do phenomenal things in the football world. Everybody loves him. Everybody calls him the coolest guy of all time. I got a chance to meet him one time on vacation. Shook his hand and it just radiated through

me. This is a cool son of a bitch I heard talk to. Look at this Paisano from Pittsburgh. Can't wait to talk to him in about 18 minutes or so. I'm proud of our program. There's a lot of things being said about us, there's a lot of things being said about us boys a lot of things being said about us always whenever it comes to daily show though daily sports i'm not 100 sure this has been pulled off in some time and what an honor it is to get a chance to chat to all these phenomenal people who have done so

much for the sport that we love now also in a sport that we absolutely love jim hardball yeah yeah yeah introductory uh press conference yesterday uh for the la chargers right said so many great things yeah jams tons made a shawshank redemption metaphor about how he feels about the journey ahead he chit-chat about justin herbert he even did like a reenactment of what he did when he looked at him oh look at this guy He brought up the fact that one of the first things he did whenever he got into the building, I think we even got it legitimized from a source within the building, night before, signs contract, wakes up next morning, goes to Home Depot, gets a shop vac, he's cleaning up the weight room.

Perfect. And then the way he compared that to his, you guys are hungry? Good. This weight room's all you can eat buffet, boys. Yeah, it is. This is what he is. And he talks about how he has heard about the work ethic of the team. And L.A. is a place where guys spend their off-seasons.

So he's basically trying to build that culture immediately right now before even draft or combine or OTA start. He's like, let's dive into this entire thing. Feels like they got the right one over there. Can't wait to chat with him in a second hour. We'll talk to Jim Harbaugh. Let's go. Yeah, they want Michael Lombardi on.

A lot of things coming out about Bill Belichick and his entire coaching cycle. Michael Lombardi will tell us about what he knows or what he thinks about the entire process. Obviously, whenever Bill Belichick got an award at the White House, he was allowed to invite 10 people with him. Michael Lombardi was one of the 10 people. So, let's assume he

might know what he's talking about. Former GM, multiple time Super Bowl champion. Started with Al Davis, who Harbaugh also started with. I think Lombardi was there whenever Harbaugh got his first-ever job. Then we'll have a weekly wrap-up with Rap Sheet and friends. Us being the friends, he being Rap Sheet, Ian Rappaport in the third hour. And then our friend Adam Pac-Man Jones is releasing his first song through the Universal record label today.

So we'll wrap up this Feel Good Friday with Pac-Man stopping by to talk about Ferrari Kid. So we'll wrap up this Feel Good Friday with Pac-Man stopping by to talk about Ferrari Kid. It's his new song he released through Universal Music, which we are incredibly pumped for him. He's been working his ass off this fall. Two podcasts, trying to build a rap career, everything like that. Obviously, Adam Pac-Man Jones went to West Virginia. I've known him since I'm like 17 years old.

He's been through a lot, but I think he's in a good spot in his life at this particular stage. Has certainly put himself through things. Now we're going into a weekend with him having his first label release single. So, pump it in. It should be a great day. Hell yeah. And we're just what? Eight, nine days away from the Super Bowl? Yeah. We're just a few days away from traveling to Las Vegas

to do Radio Road. We're just a few days away from getting a chance to experience and feel all the things that are great about the Super Bowl, especially in Las Vegas. The people that are reaching out to us saying, hey, we'll be in town. You want to, hey, we'll be in town. You want to, hey, we'll be in town.

We're like, we're not really booking anything because we like to keep the schedule kind of free, especially Super Bowl week. But I think the guests we're going to have on next week, phenomenal as well. We are so incredibly lucky to be doing this. We're thankful to be doing this. And I'm not doing it alone, obviously.

The talk table is here. At Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Ty, you look fantastic. Happy Feel Good Friday to you. Hey, thank you. Happy Feel Good Friday to you as well. I mean, what a week. What a week.

What a week. And then next week. What another week. What a week. I mean, it's just a great time to be alive. And then the person next to you, he came in this morning with his shirt on really feeling himself. Yeah. We were listening to something that I think Jim Harbaugh was saying, trying to get the exact phrasing

so that whenever we talk to him, we don't look like dipshits you know a little bit of studying a little bit of research before we get in there and connor's just standing in the front of the room like this pretty much 35 40 seconds nobody says anything because we're all listening and he goes so so so anybody anybody and we're like sorry connor we're trying to listen to this all right listen to it. You're really proud of this shirt. Yeah, I was really proud. I mean, look at this.

This is a Super Bowl shirt. First of all, I was going to save this for the Super Bowl, but I said to myself, this is the last 2023 NFL season feel-good Friday in the Thunderdome. I might as well go ahead and say, oh, stay tuned in. Oh, now he's directing traffic. I wanted you to make sure you see the top. We see them. It's not just this big one over here.

I'm worried because you've said this a couple times that you've worn your Super Bowl shirts early. Yeah, shirts are going to suck next week. Well, no, that's the thing, gentlemen. Boys, please. The shirts are not going to suck next week. Let me just say that. I've been holding on to two that I've still had from this summer. Okay?

There have been other shipments since the summer Super Bowl shirts wore. So these have kind of got bumped out of the Super Bowl. Exactly. It's been like, well, not bumped out. Yeah. I don't want nothing bumped out. No, no, no. Not bumped out.

Not bumped out. That shirt got bumped out. And now we know exactly how you feel about that shirt. So whenever you walk into a room early with that shirt on good. All right. Anybody? Anybody? You guys.

Anybody? That's literally what you didn't two minutes oh yeah guys two minutes of peacocking in the room they better be good next week the fact that you guys think that i would just wear this shirt all willy-nilly bump it at on a feel-good friday i wore this shirt specifically knowing that what the mount rushmore week was coming to an end so do i want to wear a regular shirt or do I want to wear a Mount Rushmore shirt? Gentlemen.

Okay. Why don't you answer me that one too? I'm not going to sit here like some jackass when Joe Montana is coming on the show. Okay. I'm not going to wear just a normal, normal shirt, man.

I'm not going to wear a polar bear or a sloth or an elephant. I need to wear something. It's a Joe Montana shirt. Yeah, it's a Montana shirt. Thank you. For those that don't know, for years we've been hoping for the day Joe Montana will come on. Oh, yeah? The legend.

Numerous members of this particular program are from the Pittsburgh area, western Pennsylvania. Numerous people on this particular program show are Italians from Western Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh area. So whenever you're talking about great Italian Americans out of Western Pennsylvania, I mean, Joseph Montana is very near the top. Ringgold High. Absolute legend. And we've told the story numerous times. Exactly. And we don't know if it's true.

It is. numerous times exactly and we don't know if it's true it is right it is in our mind it is true and we apologize to the journalists who are deeply offended by our appearances on espn every single day but the way we remember the story going from our calculation of the news in this brain and i think everybody else is joe montana was babysitting his granddaughter. That's right. Somebody broke into the house while he was upstairs sleeping. Bingo. They went to steal grandbaby. He wakes up from his slumber upstairs. He's up on top of the steps.

They're down at the bottom, almost exiting. He grabs the ball from one of the four Super Bowls that are in a plaque. Pulls it out. Throws football downstairs. Hits kidnapper in dome. Boom. Bust nose. Concussion.

CTE city down. Slides down banister, Joe Cool, Montana. Catches grandbaby. Puts foot on kidnapper. Calls 911. That's how the story goes. Not 100% sure if the exact descriptors of how we thought the story happened. But he did actually save a kidnapping from happening for a grandbaby of his.

He's just considered the coolest guy of all time. He doesn't do a lot of media, I don't think. No. So, like, the fact that we get to chat with him just this, like a week out from the Super Bowl in which it could be called the Joe Montana Bowl because he played for the Niners, obviously had massive success. He played for the Chiefs, went to an AFC championship

in just a few short years of playing over there. And now we get to talk to him. Tone Diggs, one half of the hammer. Time, Cowboys. This is the dumbest life of all time, pal. It's incredibly stupid to have, you know, even having Eli on this week who beat one of the Goats twice and has two Super Bowls to have Joe on.

Oh, yeah. I did see some Giants fans when we put out the graphic of the goats twice and has two Super Bowls to have Joe on. Oh, yeah. I did see some Giants fans when we put out the graphic of the Mount Rushmore. Just being like, so Eli just on the show, nothing. Don't even put him as a foothill on the entire thing. I'm like, we love Eli. Eli took the lead there.

I was upset Seven wasn't on there, but not everyone can have... There's five to six people. I said that already. aaron rogers obviously right on a mount rushmore and pretty much everybody's eyes brett farve there's only four slots on there which is you know part of my take does the mount rushmore season and four is obviously a good number to do top four but when you're talking about nfl quarterbacks different generations different teams dynasties rules number of games like it's hard to just pick four.

So there's like five to six people that are on everybody's Mount Rushmore. We certainly completed one of them, though, this week. Oh, yeah. If we would have done a Pantheon, then it would have been a lot easier to fit all the greats on there. But this is Mount Rushmore. And we only have five days in a week. Tony, I mean, the Pantheon idea is great, though.

I didn't even think of that. We'll do it next year. Well, that's because you're Irish. Well, who's going to be booking that? Are you booking the Pantheon? I can start now. I mean, the Mount Rushmore booking was not simple this week, but we are incredibly lucky and pumped for this.

The hardball conversation in the second hour should be hilarious. The Joe Montana conversation should be cool. We are in for a great feel-good Friday. Let's start talking about some things that have also happened around the sports world. Now, whenever you think about the NFL, you think about, you know, the San Francisco 49ers being a team that has been loaded for the last, what, handful years, five, six years, expected to win a Super Bowl every single time. Numerous different quarterbacks have played quarterback for the San

Francisco 49ers team. They tried to figure out who's the right trigger man to get them over the hump to go. Jed York, owner of the San Francisco 49ers, actually chit-chat about Kyle Shanahan's thoughts about Brock Purdy week one into training camp. And first of all, had no idea this is what this human looked like. Had no idea this is what he sounded like. And this story completely debunked seemingly what Peter King was trying to put off into the media just yesterday. I said his honesty, his directness, you know, I mean, we haven't really, really talked much

about Brock, but I mean, that's a, that's a good example of Kyle's directness, you know, last year in, in preseason, I think week one of training camp, which you have a quarterback that we're paying, I think $20 million to, you have a guy that we're paying, I think, $20 million to. You have a guy that you drafted with investing three first-round picks into. And he grabs me after practice. He's like, hey, man, we got to talk. And that's generally not a good thing when your coach tells you you got to talk. Like, all right, what's up?

And he's like, I think our third-string quarterback's our best quarterback. I'm like, okay. I'm like, what does that mean? He's like, well, he's like, obviously, like, we've invested in Trey, like, Trey's doing a good job. Like, we're going to do everything that we can. We're not going to change that. We're not going to change the chart, the depth chart. But, like, I think Brock will end up being our quarterback at some point. And, like, he didn't force it. He had two injuries and that's how brock ended up playing but he's he's always honest even if it's not like one thing that owners don't love to hear when they've invested money and or draft picks or both into people that the last pick in

the draft is the guy that we think is the best that's that's generally not great news um but but he's honest and he let it play out the right way you know brock i think ironically i think his first game was against the chiefs and he had some mop-up time and i brock i think he threw one ball into the stands and you know i may or may not have had some sarcastic comments for Kyle post-game. But when Brock took over last year, like, I think we had a calm about us. But there was a sense that, like, nothing catches you by surprise. And, again, like, you might not love everything that Kyle tells you, but he's always open and honest, especially in the moment.

And he's very clear about that with me. It's like, look, I will tell you exactly what I think of a player, a situation, a coach in the moment. But that might not be how I feel three weeks from now. So don't hold me to this is what I said about somebody in training camp when we're in week six of the season like ask me in the moment what what you want to ask about whoever and I'll give you my open and honest opinion and again you might not always love what he says but I've been around enough people in this league to know that you don't always get a straight comment from from people in those positions and Kyle will always shoot you straight.

People lying, says Jet York, owner of the Niners. Did any of us know that's what that guy looked like? No. I had no clue. Allegedly, he's from Youngstown, Ohio. Shout out to all the Paisanos in Youngstown, obviously the Pang ones and everything like that. I did not know that was the owner.

How did this dude end up the owner? Very cool. The way he talked there, loved it. The story he told, the way he delivered the story. The way he also was like, yeah, not great. Whenever you hear, hey, you're paying like $100 million to this particular guy. I don't think he's the one. You traded three basic first rounders for this guy.

I don't think he's the one. Well, so what are you geniuses in charge for? He's a potential owner thought. The third stringer is the guy. And I like the fact he's the one. Well, so what are you geniuses in charge for? He's a potential owner thought. The third string is the guy. And I like the fact he's rolled with it. He's like, all right, well, hey, if that's the case, let's go ahead and do this. Having complete faith in the people that you put into positions of power and then them showing up for you.

First of all, it has to feel good for Shanahan, who was on the record last week saying, I'll see you on stage, man, to John Lynch, and then it happening. And then him telling Jed York, the owner, first week of week of training camp like our third string guy is the guy in this whole thing shane hans got a big brain but also shout out to jed york being seemingly a very reachable active owner and handling it all perfectly and who the hell is did we know that was he owns the team so he is the acting CEO right now. I believe his mom owns 90% of the team. His uncle, Eddie DeBartolo, who is his mom's brother, used to be the owner.

And then I don't know if it was like some legal issues or something, but she came in and she got 90% ownership of the team, which she still has. And he's the acting CEO. You assume that he's going to be kind of the next one. But I was reading there was a story going around that when he first the acting CEO. I assume, you know, you assume that he's going to be kind of the next one. But there was a, I was reading, there was a story going around that, like, when he first became the CEO, Niner started 0-5, and I think he told someone in the media, like, we're going to rip off 10 straight wins or something like that

and go to the playoffs, and everyone kind of shit on him. Like, hey, this nepotism kid, like, the only reason he's in this business is because of his uncle and because of his mom. Like, doesn't really get it, doesn't understand. They didn't make the playoffs, but I think they won nine of their last 10 games or something like that, and he started to get a little bit more respect around the building and everything. Yeah, I'd never heard him talk before, I don't think so. Definitely didn't know that's what he looked like, but that's a really cool clip, and it seems like he obviously knows what he's doing. They trust Shanahan completely and it doesn't seem like he's one of these owners

or people in charge who wants it to be known like, hey, this is my team. He's letting Shanahan do his thing and kind of just trusting him and believing in his vision. I would like to let everybody know, certainly a product of nepotism. Everything they said about him, certainly. That's not his fault, though.

No, no. We've seen it before where products of nepotism feel as if they've earned the right. And they have an obliviousness to them and a lack of self-awareness and a lack of talent normally and drive. And everything that you would expect or hope for people in positions that they get handed to. But like him, he understands, I assume, that he, yeah, I mean, my mom's brother, I end up being a CEO of a team. There's only 32 of these. It's a dream for everybody. To remain a human, seemingly, is phenomenal.

And then for the success that they're having with the way it's being operated, good for him, good for them. Good for mom, good for son, good for family, good for team. Yeah, good for all of them. But I enjoyed the nice little look behind the scenes where kyle's like you know what listen we got 20 and jimmy uh we got three first rounders um in the in a first round draft pick um the third guy's he's the best i'm not gonna change i'm not gonna we're not gonna ruffle any feathers i'm not gonna change the depth chart okay'm not going to change it. We're not going to ruffle any feathers. I'm not going to change the depth chart, okay?

I just got to let you know, okay? Like, I assume that happens a lot in the NFL where there's someone further down the draft board who is better, who they don't immediately get the shot because of what has been invested in players in front of them. So that kind of goes back to the conversation about Brock Purdy, about how, like I said last week whenever I was going into the second year, this dude was handed nothing.

Like, this dude, as the last pick of the draft, you are promised nothing. Now, whereas his family's successful, I'm not talking about life. I'm talking about in football. I'm talking you have two or three bad training camp practices. You aren't able to hit either the scout team or maybe what they want you to throw on the defensive side.

They'll find some other arm for you because you're a seventh rounder. There's not a lot of money invested in you. So he's literally had to earn every single step of the way. And to your point, yeah, there's a lot of other positions where it takes place as well. You just hope that the football gods, because it is a meritocracy, professional athletics.

I feel like it is a meritocracy. It's one of the final ones on earth almost, where you actually have to earn your spot or you'll get exposed. There's been a lot of stories about guys who've been drafted late. I mean, Tom Brady the other day was on. I mean, we're about to have a third rounder on joining us who ended up on the Mount Rushmore as well where you outperform. And it feels like in professional athletics, there's no real ceiling that can hold you. If you have talent and you have a work ethic and you go about doing things the right way, you can find

your way to the top. It's beautiful. Brock Purdy has done that. So has the man that's joining us right now. Italian-American out of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Oh, what did he do in football? I don't know. How about four-time Super Bowl champ, three-time Super Bowl MVP,

two-time MVP, eight-time Pro Bowl champ, three-time Super Bowl MVP, two-time MVP, eight-time pro bowler, five-time All-Pro, became a legend at Notre Dame. Ladies and gentlemen, maybe the coolest human of all time, and to finish out at Mount Rushmore of NFL Quarterback Week that we have had and so lucky to be a part of,

ladies and gentlemen, a man who played for the Niners and the Kansas City Chiefs, Joe Montana. Yeah! Hey, how you guys doing? Hey, Pat. I saw that stance when I was coming up the hill at the beach in Hawaii

the other night. Yeah, well, as soon as I saw your ass down at the beach, where we were, there's a beach, then there's like a long walkway, and then there's like a resort up here. And I and the were, there's a beach, then there's a long walkway, and then there's a resort up here. And I and the wife, we have a nice little spot up on a perch where we

maybe take too many edibles and just kind of look out for hours at a time. That's kind of what I do. And I was standing up there and I looked down at the beach and I go, that's Joe Montagna, Don. And then you started walking up and as you're getting closer, I'm like,

holy shit, that's Joe Montana. And I understand that you were probably trying to get away from people at that moment, but I just couldn't help myself. I'm like, boom, Joe,

how you doing? Pat McAfee. Very nice to meet you. You're the greatest of all time. Like you were so cool. Everybody says that about you, man. Is that something that you like try to do do you

think you were born with it because there's a story about you looking in the super bowl into the stands and be like holy shit john kane and it's like like have you just always been that guy why do you think that is kind of how you're labeled you think joe i don't know i'm not sure but i mean it's just one of those things where it's fun being in those positions. I mean, you don't you don't look forward to being behind and have to do that all the time. But usually when you're in that position, you're probably part of the reason you're there. So you've got to figure out a way to find a way back. But I think one of the things that I learned probably from Bill Walsh more than anything was, is that the reason you're able to relax so much is that my preparation,

you know, it was preparation, preparation, preparation with him because, you know, we didn't have the earpieces. And our game plan, it was funny. I'll tell you a story about Theismann, but we would get 125, 135 passes in every game plan, two and three formations each. You had to memorize the formations and what order bill wanted them in then you'd have 30 runs that do the same thing and we were playing in um so you had to you would only get signaled just to play you didn't get

the formations because you didn't have enough time to do it so you had to memorize all that and so it took a lot of preparation to be there and to get ready for the game on top of practice and watching film and you had to study that part of it too but we were playing in we were playing in the pro bowl we lost to the redskins in the championship game and bill was was the coach of the of the nfc team and first day, Bill puts in 35 passes. And Theismann goes, oh my God, man, this is awesome. He gave us all our passes in one day. I go, what are you talking about? He'll install until Saturday. And he goes, no, he won't. I go, yes, he will. And he did. I mean, it wasn't as bad as the normal playbook for a normal game in the season, but he probably,

we probably had 60 passes. He goes, what are you going to do with all these passes? I go, that's a ready list, buddy. Just get ready for it. So of course you're a genius too, Joe.

I mean, of course you're a genius in this entire thing. That makes a lot of sense. You seemingly, yes. Yeah, you are. Yeah.

Yeah, you are Joe. And I didn't even know that was an added bonus to this. Cause I just assumed always just super gamer, always super gamer, able to turn it on when the lights are at the brightest. But you're talking about your preparation and your hard work. When you look at this Niners quarterback now and this Brock Purdy guy, I assume you've got a chance to interact with him and meet him,

and I assume he, just like everybody else who's in the NFL and who's ever been around football, is like starstruck by you. But what do you see from this Brock Purdy guy about why he's had success at such a young age, especially for a 49ers team that obviously has a massive following and has been yearning for something like this maybe since you were there, Joe? Yeah, I think the thing I see is something that I think I figured out early on in my career was that what the offense is about right it wasn't about me it was about getting the ball to the people who knew what to do with it because all I I'm the mailman I'm this doesn't belong to me I want to

get it to somebody that knows how to run knows how to to catch. And we had, especially late in my career, when you got guys like Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Brent Jones, Roger Craig, on down the line, all you got to do is get the ball to them. And I think if you look at the weapons that Rock's working with, he's figured that offense out. He understands what his position is. He doesn't try to make a big play. He knows when that chance will come and when he needs to do it. But in most cases,

it's okay to punt. I got a pretty good defense too. And that's when we had the same thing, right? That defense is pretty good. So yeah, they're going to have to earn their money too at the same time. And yeah, we're going to punt and hopefully we don't punt too many times but you know the defense you gotta hey you're up let's go and um i think that's probably the biggest thing that i've seen of him is you know real because he understands that he's calm in there he has a great presence and you know he's not trying to knock you out with a football you know he delivers a great catchable ball. You talk to these guys and they'll tell you the ball, very rare does it come in there harder than it's supposed to.

Yeah, he puts in a keyhole too, Joe. It seems like his accuracy is just phenomenal. He's able to put it and find the spots. You talk about being a mailman and you talk about all the weapons you had and all the weapons he has, and you're in every Mount rushmore conversation that there is so like that job well done being a hell of a mailman yeah hell absolutely hell of a mailman but one of the things they say against

brock is that the offense is the offense and he has so much talent around him like it feels like they try to find everything to kind of bury him and now it might be turning and who knows what it'll be after the super bowl however he performs but how do you feel about the whole game manager game changer type conversation because the answer you just gave is like uh managing the game is a massive piece of the entire thing i don't know why that became like slanderous almost um he hasn't had the chance to work with other receivers and i think that's that's not a negative on him it's just that people haven't seen him do that yet i mean obviously there was some reason that um that the 49ers liked him to be able to take him last in the draft the things that they saw on tape and i i don't think it's, it'll matter who who's out there. He's right now.

He's fortunate because he's got some, he's got some pretty good studs out there that can give them the ball and Hey, they can go the distance and nothing wrong with that. Everybody's had those in their lifetime. So that, you know, I don't even think about that twice. I just think that it's a plus for him. He's in his second year, Joe. In your second year, what were you – I mean, obviously, I don't know how often you think about the early days

of you in the NFL, but like year one, year two, year three, was there a time where you thought you had it figured out maybe a little bit more so than before? Like him doing this all in his first two years, I think, is maybe the biggest conversation piece that is kind of missing out on the whole thing yeah i think it took me i probably laid into my second year um before i felt comfortable in that offense i mean there were times i laugh and i was telling i was telling bill this too because i'm sure he knew we were playing the Cowboys in one game that year. And Steve DeBerg was just getting plastered.

I mean, every down. And so as the game went on, Bill started substituting. And so if this was Bill, I was standing right behind him. And as he turned, I turned right behind him so he couldn't see me. Because I don't want him in that game. Hold me. Because they had all won in that game. Hold on. Hold on. We're talking about the sideline antics.

Didn't you call your wife one time from the sideline phone, Joe? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I called her a bunch of times after that. But one time I was just sitting there, and I think it was in L.A. It was the first time. I was sitting there. We were winning. And I was going, wow, let me see if i hit nine

like any other place right you get an outside line and i got an outside line so i dialed up my house and she answered the phone i said hey what are you doing she goes i'm watching the game what are you wait what are you doing you call me for go, I just thought I'd check and see if this phone worked and if it dialed out, and it did. So I thought I'd call and say, hey, love you. Got to go. Got to go back to work. You're the coolest dude of all time.

And obviously being from Pittsburgh, it's great to know that. Tone Diggs, also from Plum, has a question for you. Yeah, I do, Joe. I wanted to ask you about being there. And a lot of the greats, you know, Unitas, Namath, Blanda, Jim Kelly, Marino. What? And then there's some others who aren't in the Hall of Fame, but were still great quarterbacks.

Why do you think being from Western PA, especially around that time, like created so many great quarterbacks? You know, I get asked this a lot, and I really don't have an answer other than I think that such a blue-collar area, hardworking, sports was everything. I know that I played three sports all the way through high school, mainly because my mom and dad knew they couldn't afford to send me to a college of any named college, so to speak. And it was a way out of, you know, we had coal mine in our town. We had two steel mills along the river right by us. And, you know, it was, it was a blue collar. And I think that it was just a hardworking area.

You were taught to work hard. And at that point in time, you know think i don't know i think maybe it was the iron city beer i don't know i don't really have an answer on how how that it came that the quarter all those quarterbacks came out of there um and just know that um very competitive all of them um had been friends with everybody uh danny and jim and uh unitas before he passed away and nameth so it's it's a fun group to be associated with i know that yeah well we're all lucky that you don't have an answer well you just gave the answer i think you did give the answer i think it was um just like every other generation of pittsburgers whenever you're in high school

when you're underage you can certainly find Iron City or Icy Light, you know, whatever you need it. And a little bit of river water will make you feel good. Have you tried? They got Icy Light mango, I think. They got an Icy Light mango. Delightful, Joe. Hey.

Very good. Delightful, Joe. Actually. I'll have to give it a try after my Guinness. Oh, you're a Guinness guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been doing Guinness now for a while. We were over in Ireland with the girls.

This is the craziest stories. It actually was cheaper to buy jumping horses in Europe, ship them back home than it is to buy them here. The actual jumping horses you're talking about? Yeah, like the equestrian jumpers you're in that world your family's in that world i didn't know that well we were for a while with the girls and so we were over there and um our trainer um he said to me hey when the girls are done jumping we're gonna go get us a pint and i'm going again he goes, a pint of Guinness. And I'm going, oh, okay, man.

All right, I guess, you know, I wasn't really had much Guinness to that point. But wow. So first he goes and he comes back. He goes, I'll go sit down. I'll come, I'll get it. And he comes back and I go, well, where's the beer? He's going, well, you got to wait for it. I go, what do you mean?

You got to wait for it. He goes, yeah, special way to pour it. And after the first one every day about the same time i go charlie isn't it isn't about time for a pint but a bit but been with guinness ever since it's been a while we just saw a photo of you with your guinness gear on boy oh it's so cool look how sweet you're certified pourer i actually got the certificate to pour the pint the whole thing i did that over there you know what i learned a trick too this time we were just over in ireland for the notre dame uh navy game so we went and visited the

what do they call it they don't call it the brewery um factory the gatehouse or something like that and it's like 14 stories and the guy showed me a trick on the end you know how you're not supposed to have any bubbles how to get rid of the bubble if you have a bubble it's pretty sweet so what is it now i got it so tell me what the hell is it joe i'd like i think we should all know right at the end if you see a little bubble you just tilt it up and pour right over top the bubble just to drop ah so you're combating the bubble almost you're like alfing the bubble gu Guinness is delightful over there. It is a great taste.

Delicious. How many do we have? Are you putting shots of – are you doing car bombs with those things as well, Joe? Every now and then. Every now and then. Joe, we love that. Conman's got a question for you, Joe. Yeah, Joe.

Now it feels like in the NFL everyone obviously wants their franchise QB, and then once that franchise QB is on the last leg of their career, they want the next guy. And we saw it with the Packers for Brett Favre to Rodgers, and then Rodgers to now Jordan Love, who's unbelievable. And you kind of had to deal with that with Steve Young a little bit. When you are that guy at a place for so long, how is that transition as the front man when you know

like hey there is someone behind me that they obviously want to be the guy someday and you know how do you think that was handled with sam frank because obviously the jimmy g to trey lands worked in a different way obviously because of brock yeah well my transition i think was a little different than most um mainly because we'd won two Super Bowls in a row. When I got hurt in the championship game, we were winning. When I left the game, that's all I say. And we'll probably have one of the best statistical years that I'd had. So in a lot of cases, you know, you should get your job back.

So in a lot of cases, you know, you should get your job back. But I don't know. George had made a transition while I was hurt, and he didn't want to transition back out. And he wanted me to be the backup. And I said, I'm better than he is, and I don't want to be behind him. I shouldn't be behind him. And then I even said, put two salaries on the table and let us compete. And if I lose, I'll stay. And he said, no.

So I'm not staying under those circumstances. I want to play. I want to be on the field. I want to finish my career on the field. I want to be here on the bench. If I knew I couldn't play, different story. But I knew I could play still. You and Steve have any heat for that?

Any beef for that long term? No. But I knew I could play still. You and Steve have any heat for that? Any beef for that long term? No, I mean, anytime you're in a competition with somebody, it's not always the closest of friendships. I mean, we're friends. But it was a working relationship. My job, as I always say, they said, how did you help Steve? I go, I didn't help Steve. My job was to make sure that Steve stayed right where he was, behind me that's my job they talk about my job excuse me they still talk

about that now whenever there's like a veteran in this position it's not just quarterback they're always like this person needs to teach this young person how to take their job you do teach to a certain degree but it's one of those things that there's so much to do yourself that it's really hard to sit there during a game or during practice to where you've got to, I mean, the concentration that takes place from the day you start practice in the middle of the week or like for us we had we came in on monday had tuesday off started wednesday so from wednesday through sunday it was a grind you know it's hard enough to get myself ready to try to try to get somebody else ready too but not that you did if he if he asked me questions yeah for sure i could help join that but for the most part i'm concentrating on getting myself ready for the game speaking of getting ready, and obviously you played a long time, and hey, still able to spin. Oh, yeah. Did you do any, what was your, like, because obviously food science and nutrition and everything has kind of changed over the years

and evolved as we've learned more about the human body and foods and everything like that. Because, forgive me if this was the era before you but we've seen the videos of people smoking you know nfl guys smoking and things like that like how did you take care of your body back then and what was it like versus what you see nowadays in the yeah well it's a lot different um i just had a simple lifting routine very simple until i got to kansas city and then marty made me live five days a week and he made somebody go with me to make sure i didn't cheat and i went from 192 pounds to 208 jeez and he wondered why i was running out of a bounce some guy clipped my foot and i tore my hamstring and He said, I thought you were faster than that. I said, I was at 192, but

not at 208. Back then, we had guys that smoked in the locker room. For me, it was pretty simple. Pregame was get up, go to the

check-in to breakfast, take a little tiny piece of a couple bites of steak just to get my stomach so it wasn't full. Halftime, I had a Snickers. And after the game, I had a double cheeseburger. That's in the locker. Daryl, what's your game day routine? Well, I just need a couple pieces of steak. I need that Snickers.

I need that Snickers. And then afterwards, double cheeseburger stat pronto. Or the body won't show up next week. I think you're obviously so synonymous with the Niners because of the multiple Super Bowls. And you just brought up getting to the Chiefs. And we looked up, we think you were 8-3 and then 9-5, had a couple injuries, but made it to the AFC Championship. Do you keep in touch with the Chiefs program at all? Because this is kind of a Joe Montana bowl here that's happening in the Super Bowl.

What are your thoughts on where they are right now? They're in the middle of a dynasty run, much like you guys were. Yeah, they definitely are. That was kind of part of the reason I went there. After looking around, there were some places that I could have gone also, but you look at the

organization, it was similar to what I was used to here in san francisco uh the support from the team the support from the the the fans are is absolutely ridiculous if you've ever played in kansas city yes it's insane and um but it was just a great transition we had a really good defense and we had a really good offensive line. We had some – what I wasn't really, really used to was some little fast guys on the outside that could fly. I had to outrun my arm all the time. I'm going, guys, I've got to get this up as fast as I can get it in the air.

But the transition was great. The people were great. We had lived in a great neighborhood right on the golf course there. And so, yeah, it was a fun place to play. Very fun. Unfortunately, we made a mistake in that last season where we had to go to Buffalo for the championship game. And we had beaten them already once earlier in the year. And it was 50 degrees and sunshine in Kansas City,

but that wasn't the case. Well, their home for the Vantage matters. Home for the Vantage matters. Oh, my gosh. And I couldn't throw the ball from here to my window right there. And for any consistency, light rain, drizzle, wind, cold, it was like, yeah, everything I hate. Pittsburgh guy.

You know, but you go over to California for a while, things start to get a little bit different over there in NorCal. Ty has a question for you, Joe. Yeah, Joe, before Bill Belichick, you know, a lot of people would say that, hey, Bill Walsh is arguably the greatest coach of all times. And you play for him. And then obviously in Kansas City, play for Marty Schottenheimer.

Right now, the coaching cycle is kind of complete, and we're seeing all these teams go with young, offensive-minded guys. Are you surprised that a guy like Bill Belichick is kind of left out with only being 15 wins away from the career record? Are you surprised that the league is skewing much younger and going offensive, and a guy like bill belichick and pete carroll are kind of just left in this game of musical chairs and they're not going to be coaching a team next year um i can say yes and i can say no but for the most part i it doesn't surprise me at all anything

in the nfl these days i mean they're, they're always looking for the next best thing. And I think when Bill came along, he brought a new type of system that people have added on to a lot. That made a lot of sense. And I think that was his big advantage at that point. And that's what they're looking for now. The game's changed. It's not the same as when Pete first started or Belichick first started. And they're looking for those guys who, you know, live in that world right now.

And quarterback position's different. So I'm not surprised. I mean, yeah, it would be nice to see them catch on somewhere, but I'm not surprised that it's happening. No, finally to the coaches who are doing it to everybody. They're getting it now. I like that. I like the way you're viewing that.

Um, a couple of questions here before we let you go. And this has been so cool. I just want to let you know that as a, uh, I took a 23 in me. I'm.01% Italian. So, you know, as a Western Pennsylvania Italian-American, this is a real dream come true. How do you feel about where the NFL is right now? You know, a lot of the olds that are around the NFL back in the day, soft, this, that, all the different changes have been made.

It's not still football. The ratings are higher than ever. The amount of money that's coming into the league is bigger and better than ever. What are your thoughts on the state of the NFL and of football whenever you watch it, Joe? I think it's great. I mean, the game itself is,

well, you know, a Sunday afternoon is nothing like a Sunday afternoon. Being out there and getting the ups and downs and the ebbs and flows of the game and the adrenaline rushes that happen and there's it's still fun to watch and the game if you look at the game from when I always why Jennifer always hates when I say this well when I played because you know why does everybody have to play that? But back when I played, there were guys who played before me that if I watched their tapes, I would say the same thing. Wow, the game has changed a lot compared to then. I mean, even in some cases, the ball's shape has even changed

to where it is today. And they're always looking for a way to make the game better. And now, finally, they're starting to try to make it a little bit safer. I still would like to see him hit the quarterback, but just don't compress him in the ground. We should be able to get hit like anybody else. But the problem I have with that is that we get hit by a guy who outweighs you by 150 pounds.

Excuse me. Oh, that's right. Take your me. Oh, that's right. Take your time. Joe, take your time. You cannot have you choking on. You know what I mean? You gather your breath. We already got enough people attacking us, Joe.

We already got enough people. I know. I have two. Yeah, we have two. We have three grandkids and super spreaders, so I got something for you. Well, we hope you're all right. spreaders so I got something but yeah I think that I just think that they should be part of the game more of that and be able to feel the hit just don't compress them yeah and like I think Tom Brady says the same thing I think Aaron Rodgers says the same thing I think everybody that is

potentially Mount Rushmore Peyton's I think I think everybody that's on the Mount Rushmore of quarterbacks, there's like five to six guys, I think, that are kind of on everybody's list. When that starts happening and your name starts getting brought up into that, as a dude who's from coal mining steel mill town, you know, playing sports, just hoping to get to college, is that a whirlwind of emotion whenever people start saying like, hey, this, like, greatest of all time to ever play the sport that literally all of America loves? Like, when did that start happening for you? And what was kind of the emotions of that that came alongside of that? Well, I think it started happening, you know, right after I retired. But it's a great feeling to know that people still think that of you and what you did. While you're out there, you play for yourself.

You also play for your fans. Sorry, guys. Don't worry. Sorry for asking you another question. I thought you had beat it. I thought you had beat it. Can we get Joe some water over there? Come on.

Can we get Joe some water over there? Call the house phone. Geez, yeah. Use the sideline phone. Please. Holding it off, too. I've been fighting it for about 10, since we started here. Hey, that's impressive grit.

That's good grit. That's Pittsburgh. But, yeah, no, I mean, it's a great feeling to know that people still think that about you and still consider you in that group. I played, like I always say, I played a stupid game for a living that I loved, and I was very lucky. Well, you were fantastic at it, and you inspired a lot of us, especially Pittsburgh kids.

So we appreciate you. Keep going. Enjoy this upcoming week of Super Bowl, and can't wait to see you get a nice sip of water, Joe. Oh, no, me too. Hey, I'll see you soon, man. All right, take care. See you guys. Have a good one. Appreciate you having me too. Hey, I'll see you soon, man. All right. Take care.

See you guys. Have a good one. Appreciate you having me on. Hey, thank you for joining us. Cheers. Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Montana. Hey, Joe. There ain't nothing like that where it's just sitting there.

So bad. Especially in this particular profession. Yeah. Don't feel like you can cough because everyone will hear it no matter what. Or see. That's the whole thing. And right now, I think everybody at some point is dealing with some sort of oh yeah i don't know what it is we're all gonna have it when we come back from vegas that is without a doubt so i was in saint pete but then

indy then tampa for raw then back to indy and i like woke up on tuesday morning and it was just like you know and then i like search i'm'm like, what is this? And they're like, ah, everybody on earth has it. It's like, oh, okay. Sweet. Alright, good. What do we need? Just some water, some mucinex, some stuff like that. But I couldn't even imagine old Joe Montana for like 15 minutes just being like,

I hate this. I got no water around me either. And they got to be on this full screen the entire time, whenever I'm talking. He's the legend, dude. Yeah. Didn't even get a chance to ask him about throwing a football at somebody's face. Shit. He's saving his grandkid.

But I believe he's going to be, I think there's a chance he's in Vegas next week as well. So we might see Joe Montana again. Remember, we saw him a couple years ago at Radio Row. Yep. Walking through, had the camera phone. Joe, holy shit. Yeah. That's Joe Montana.

I can't wait to get to Radio Row next week. I know. It's going to be awesome. Legitimately. I think the people that are going to be at Radio Row on Wednesday, I think Antonio Pierce is going to be there. I think Shannon Sharp is going to be there. Okay.

I think Dana White is going to be there. And we have a pretty good relationship with all the people. So I think there's a pretty good chance that they're probably going to swing by the set. And then it's like Thursday, I think, is absolutely jam-packed. And I think I even heard, like, the cake boss. No. No. The cake boss.

No way. There's no chance. For those of you who have been following along for our show for a long time, obviously you know how absurd Radio Row is and how ridiculous the shows are there. Everything from the Brett Favre lawsuit announcement to who's the magician in the middle of the thing doing an absurd trick to Carrot Top coming in trying

out new material. Radio Row has been absurd. For those that are very new to our show, think about how dumb and ADD we are and then think about Radio Row just being filled with everything that's everything. So many people. The fact that ESPN has not gone to Radio Row. It's wild.

Is wild to me. It's bold. Like we're the first, I think, in a long time, I think we're the first daytime show that's going to be in Radio Row. Like the NFL people that set up Radio Row were like pretty pumped. Like, oh, okay, thank you guys. Had to create space for a stage because how it's all packed in there. thank you guys had to create space for a stage because uh how it's all packed in there but it's like i'm very excited for this particular platform that we're very lucky to be on and have this one down here it's like wait and see radio row is the super bowl oh yeah that is the super bowl like i

get the super bowl the game is happening and everybody talks about that but whenever they chat about all the festivities and everything that's happening, it's like, Radio Row. That's where all the companies that are associated with the NFL have a stand. That's where basically every player, legend, celebrity, is just going through there. We have a blast. We have an absolute blast in there.

I'm very excited for not only what this week was, shout out to Joe for finishing up and wrapping up a phenomenal week whenever it comes to NFL quarterbacks. And we have Jim Harbaugh joining us next hour. But, like, next week should be bananas. And it becomes very good football talk because the minds that are just walking around. And obviously they're, I'm here to sell Old Spice. My armpits love Old Spice.

I don't smell when I use Old Spice. And then as soon as you're able to all right sweet we love old shot yeah and then once you get in there it's like all these people have been paying attention what's been going on and they have opinions and just like joe like joe doesn't talk a lot so like at radio row it's the first time hearing a lot of these people speak it's a dream it is an absolute dream i'm pumped that we've made it to this part of the season but i'm also pretty bummed out about it we only got one game in matters left, Ty. Yeah, for sure.

But you always say, like, I mean, it is kind of nice how going down there is just like a culmination and like a year-end celebration for kind of all the hard work and everything you've put in to get up to this point. I mean, not so much anymore now that we're on ESPN, but it kind of used to be like when we'd go to Radio Row, it's like, hey, realistically, like this is being down here is the only chance we're going to get to talk to x person like we have no way of getting this person on the show if it's not at radio row pitching whatever it is and honestly most of

the times like every once in a while you'll get one where it's like everything goes back to the product but a lot of times when we have these people on like they'll end up just not really even talking about what they're supposed to be there. I have to. Exactly. It's like, hey, and what were you pitching again? I mean, Sean Payton last year, he stayed for 30 minutes and didn't give a rat's ass about what he was supposed to be talking about.

He just wanted to talk about football. He's great at radio. Yeah, he is fantastic. I hope he's back. I assume he's not because he's got a lot to do up in Denver. But, yeah, and then we learn about people that watch our show, and they're, like, excited to get on. And then once they get on, they're like, here we go.

Matt Patricia, when he was the head coach of the Detroit Lions, was not supposed to be at Radio Row, okay? He was just doing the Super Bowl pretty much. Meetings, I think, were happening. He only came to Radio Row to do our show, but he didn't bring his – I don't think he had his wallet, his phone, his credential, nothing. So trying to get a head coach of the NFL into Radio Row became a full part of our show pretty much.

And then he joined us and he just sat for 40 minutes just chit-chatting about whatever. Drew Brees, the same thing, and I missed him last year, so I hope we get a chance to see each other again. It's like the NFL does it right whenever they do the Super Bowl, and next week should be absolutely bananas. So we appreciate you all for following along this season. Just know that next week is normally our most absurd week.

Everything that we have done thus far, whether you loved it, hated it, said wow, or boom, any of those things, next week will be the most absurd by far. It is not even a question mark. Yeah, like you think about the places that we've been, at least these last couple years, Arizona and L.A., and both those places definitely lifted up because they're destinations, but I don't think anything can touch Vegas.

Like when we're talking about destination places for Super Bowls, everyone's going to go, obviously, because it's Vegas. You just add that Super Bowl aspect to it. It's going to be nuts. Ty, in Miami, you remember our desk was the size of the toxic table. Legit. The whole show. That's not hyper be nuts. Ty, in Miami, you remember our desk was the size of the toxic table. Legit. Maybe. That's not hyperbole. It was legitimately this big.

I actually was watching a clip the other day. I think we had the McCourty twins on. It wasn't big enough. Diggs had to get up and leave because the desk was four wide. We're four wide on a two wide desk. I do believe I actually took a picture and said here we are this particular year let's see what happens and uh i think the set that espn built this year

excited to see it yeah it's pretty cool man hey we made it boys yep oh yeah team on three team on me one two three team proud of you guys cliff kingsbury hired as the raiders offense coordinator this is big news. Now, Cliff Kingsbury is known for a lot of things. He's ridiculously handsome. Like, really handsome. Super cool looking. Always dresses cool.

Great. We know that his dad is a Marine from Texas. And we know that he loves ball. We got to learn a little bit more about him, though, from AQ Shipley, who has obviously played for a lot of teams, a lot of quarterbacks, a lot of systems. And we got a chance to hear his thoughts on what Cliff Kingsbury is whenever he was interviewing with the Steelers at the time. Now he's got the Raiders' offense coordinator job.

I think Raider Nation is going to want to hear this from A.Q. Shipley. He's exactly what you want. You want to basically infuse the new age scheme into that Pittsburgh Steelers locker room. They haven't had it in years. He's so good. There were so many times he would come up to us and be like, hey man, this is what I do. I get guys open. When you turn on his tape, there's guys open all over the field. Former quarterback,

obviously incredibly handsome. Father of Marine. From Texas. Just loves ball and looks cool all the time. He's in there at 3.30 in the morning all the time. Really? Yeah, he's a grinder.

I don't think anybody talks about that about Cliff because how cool he looks. He's in there early, getting his workout in. He's watching tape by 4.15. Jeez. Okay, Cliff. Didn't know that about Cliff. Obviously, Dad Marine from, of course, should have known this from the beginning. Yeah, so we probably didn't need the tail end of that particular video there

of me just reiterating everything that I said at the beginning of this entire thing. But it needs to be noted because when you see him, you think, look at this little pretty boy, little baby bitch maybe. But no, this guy, like, hardworking dog who was obviously escalated quickly through the ranks, going from Texas Tech to USC for about a week, and then now he's the head coach of the Arizona Cardinals. For one reason or another, it doesn't end up working out, even though they won more games each and every year, got into the playoffs,

won 11 games with that entire situation. With what we've learned behind the scenes about the building and how it was all running at the time, almost seems like it's a modern miracle that it took place. But with Antonio Pierce setting the tone and cliff kingsbury as offense coordinator who's going to be throwing it we don't know but it feels like they got it right over there yeah at least like culture wise so i feel like especially with some of these teams in new england you could even say is one of them like if you have the right staff in there that

feels like the first step and then the quarterback and everything else will get settled but i mean i believe they're keeping their special teams coordinator too like a lot of the stuff has been in-house they're keeping the same dc so cliff is really like the only new face in there and from what aq said he's perfect yeah i love it i like that the raiders have a little baby face turn happening as well people are going to get behind them because of an underdog story situation but they're still in a big bad wolf division and they know that tom telesco new gm has built up a great roster. I think Jim Harbaugh has even acknowledged the roster that Tom Telesco built up over there in Los Angeles for the Chargers.

Think about Antonio Pierce, his first year of head coaching. He has to go against, in his division, Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton, and then Andy Reid. Three all-time coaches Antonio Pierce has to go up against in his first year coaching, which is insane. It's nice that he has. I saw Marvin Lewis is going to be the assistant head coach which is huge he could always go to him to ask questions Cliff's been a head coach um it's it Coughlin's in his ear like he has a bunch of head coaches to go but going against those three in the division

it's insane yeah he's gonna be great and it feels like he embodies everything that the Raiders are I feel like he's gonna have a to have a lot of opportunity with that team to build his culture and put his culture into place. I feel like Davis is probably going to be a bit more patient with everything they've got going on. And the boys in the locker room, the Pillars, all seemingly love him. Good for the Raiders figure now. Also, before hour one ends,

Mark Andrews was a part of saving a life yesterday. Yes, he was. Baltimore Ravens tight end was a part of saving a life yesterday. Yes, he was. Baltimore Ravens tight end was a part of saving somebody's life because of a blood sugar situation that happened on a plane. Shout out to Mark Andrews. Is that a baby? Love you, Mark. Fast acting. He said it wasn't him, obviously.

It was everybody else, which leads in even more so. Thank you, Mark Andrews. Represent the league. There's a lot of great humans that represent the NFL. We're lucky to chit-chat with a lot of them. Remember, negativity can hog publicities, but there's a lot of positive out there. We just got to continue to look for it.

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college football championship winning, Super Bowl champion having. COVID survivor, president of Ohio, ladies and gentlemen, the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, A.J. Hall. A.J., how many tacklers does the second place have behind you? That's a good question. I don't know how they do that or who keeps track of anything. Are we safe? No. Unfortunately, I we safe? No.

Unfortunately, I do have bad news. He isn't safe because I know Quay Walker was a tackle away last year, and I do believe Quay Walker once again had another great year as far as tackles go. Yeah, so he broke the Packers rookie record his rookie year. I mean, it all depends. It depends on how long he plays there. Boom.

But Quay Walker is – He's a good player. He's everywhere. He's hot on his heels. He can fly. Depends on how long he plays there. Quay Walker is... He's a good player. He's everywhere. He's hot on his heels. He can fly. I wouldn't say he's hot on his heels, but he's coming. Okay.

Zito just put this up on the back wall and said, I have no idea if this is right. So that's good. 629 tackles. Is that accurate, AJ? Is that what you had? No, none of these tackles are even remotely accurate. Okay, sweet.

I guarantee you Nick Barnett probably has close to, Nick Barnett has 900 and something. So combined, it has AJ at 920. Tackles are just stupid. It has AJ at 922 and Barnett at 789. Oh, so this is just probably solo? Solo, yeah. You had 629 solo tackles for the Green Bay Packers.

Tackles are a very subjective stat at times, I think. Well, they certainly are, and obviously we talked about that with TJ Watt and JJ Watt this year as it came into account, because I think TJ a couple years ago had a record, and then they actually halved one of his to say, no, no, no. And they're like, well, who is making that decision? AJ, you made no Pro Bowls throughout your career.

I don't think anybody was doing you any favors ever, pal. I don't think anybody. Yeah, I would assume that maybe that number should be i said we got screwed out of a few i don't know how it works honestly tackles between the end like every player knows like on defense the nfl has tackle stats and then the team has tackle stats usually the team is more accurate but you know sometimes some coaches may give you a couple jops and count them as tackles i enjoyed uh tom mcmahon would uh you know, cause the stats would come back in the kicking and punting world.

They're pretty matter of fact, you know, like, Hey, here's the stats, here's the stats. And then if I had like a good weekend, but not my best or whatever he would say, but how about these stats, pal? That aren't being talked about field position, when they're, where they started, what their drive start average was, what it wasn't. How about travel? How long travel in air hang time-wise versus everybody else. He's like, we're all good to go. It's like, well, thank you for making up stats to make me feel good.

I think that's what you're saying about potential coaches and stats when it comes to tackles, which means life is good. Speaking of life being good, how about Joe Montana being on the show in the first hour, A.J. Hawk? This was a phenomenal week, a bananas week, like actually, A.J. Absolutely. I mean, Joe was great. He exceeded any expectation I had for him, and I knew he would be awesome. It's unfortunate that we couldn't get to the, you know,

to confirm the story of him throwing the football and hitting the bird or the kidnapper and sliding down the banister, catching his young grandbaby, boy or girl, we are not sure, kicking the guy, stepping on his neck, calling 911, and never even breaking a sweat, all while wearing probably some sweet button-down pajamas. It looks amazing. And also, there's any Skechers?

Oh, yeah. What about the Skechers? Probably Guinness in the other hand. Probably chugged his Guinness while he was sliding down the banister. Oh, I didn't even think about that. But now that we know him a little bit better. Probably did. Yeah.

He was probably pouring the perfect pint. Wow. Wow. No bubble. Put a little drop right on top of that bubble, too. Put a little drop on top. Grabs the thing. Slides down.

Sketch is so big, he doesn't even fall off the banister. It's just like a walk-off. Like an escalator. Catch the baby. Pose on top of person. Drink. Call. Yeah.

Still got it. As the cops came in, that's what they saw joe posing while he's chugging his gin well it was an empty pint at that point uh-huh it's how long i've been waiting for you it took you so long boys yeah you know and uh sketchers bottom of the sketchers have little chew marks obviously on it because at that point where he was that guy was trying to get up stepping right on the kidnapper's face obviously but. But that's why the Skechers has the big... That's why they had the shape-ups. That's why they actually made the shape-ups.

Glad we got that figured out. That was going to be the final question. And then the universe attacked his throat. Yeah. And was like, we don't need to know the truth. I thought you might be going after the truth. Yeah. I thought you might have said...

Even though I could see your brain work like, he's coughing, he probably can't say too much. Okay, mate, I got to ask him. I got to confirm the story. And then you're like, oh, we'll get it. Yeah, hopefully. Can't kill Joe Montana. No.

If this show killed Joe Montana, boy. Call it. Can't come back from that. Nope. No way. People were hoping that would happen. I heard. I could sense.

Spirits. People casting spells. Oh, Joe Montana. Nope. No way. People were hoping that would happen. I heard. I could sense. Spirits. People casting spells. Oh, Joe Montana, yeah. Joe Montana's never going to die. No. I don't know how to tell people that. He's never going to die. When I did run into him when we were on vacation, first of all, me and the wife looked at each other and we're like, we're vacationing in the same spot

as Joe Montana. Pretty sweet. Nice. Pretty sweet. Nice little handshake. And then as I'm watching him, I feel like I probably look like a little seven-year-old. And there were some people at that resort who happened to know of my existence as well. So I thought about them watching me watch Joe a couple different times. And I'm like, man, I have to look like such an asshole right now. But I just couldn't help it. Like literally as soon as I saw him, it was just like a gravitational pull.

Like, sir. And that was when Brett was suing me. Yep. Yeah. So he had learned about me, I think, through that entire thing. A lot of people read the New York Post article that had the entire lawsuit in it. And to be clear, it's about a year ago now. The things they put in that lawsuit were some of my best shit.

Like some of my best tweets that i've ever you know like yeah you know like it was all typed up for you in a document it was cool to see it you know in a legal forum yeah obviously we said allegedly the context and we didn't know anything we were just cracking fire and jokes but what that article did that i don't think brett farve's lawyer or brett farve thought was going to happen is, it introduced us to a lot of people. And the amount of humans that are, like, notables that have, like, sent me a message would be like, man, learned about you through the whole thing. Like, you're wide open, aren't you? And I'm like, what do you mean?

I read the New York Post lawsuit thing. That tweet about the – Stick, you banned it. I'm like, thank you. I thought so too whenever they put it out there. Joe pretty much had learned about me through that entire process. I assume he and Brett are friends or at least know of each other because of that quarterback community.

And he was so kind and so nice to me. And his wife, Jennifer, who he called on the sidelines, like such a positive – like those two were like the coolest people on the entire resort. He lived up to everything you would have hoped that Joe Montana would be. And him coming on the show, we're incredibly grateful for it. And next week, it's going to be bananas. We try to explain to people in the first hour how dumb Radio Row is, AJ, every single year that we're out there.

Can't wait to get there, brother. Can't wait to see you all week. jay every single year that we're out there can't wait to get there brother can't wait to see you all week yeah the uh the ptz cam that you get to operate to kind of just maybe if there's a little wall between guests or something and you can peruse the crowd and zoom in on people and then we usually you know guys start hollering try to get them over there it's a whole situation yeah it's it's somewhat of controlled chaos for a couple days now so there's a lot of humans that we're going to be able to scan oh i remember what that guy said about me yep oh what did they what did this guy say i'm pulling up zito we're not gonna do that we're gonna be positive yeah yeah we're gonna be positive we're gonna be positive that's what

we're gonna be because that's who we are that's that's what we stand for especially with that shirt on aj he came in peacocking with this damn shirt on today. Okay? Stood for three minutes waiting for a compliment on the shirt in the think tank. And I will say it's very nice. Thank you. And I appreciate it, and I'm excited about whatever you're going to wear next week. But let's enjoy that.

Let's be positive. Absolutely. We don't need to tell every rat that they're a rat. Okay? No. And maybe remind me of that, too. Okay? Like when Thursday and I'm out there.

Sure. We'll try to remember that. Please. Maybe a few. Maybe just a couple. Not everybody. Just a few. We'll do it on there. Can be grown from negativity if you think about it. You know, you can be negative to somebody and from that experience, it can be positive.

Yeah, but anytime you look back on it later, you go, that shouldn't have wasted energy on me. You should also keep in mind when you're talking about karma, putting stuff out in the universe, we are going to be in Vegas. We are going to be hitting the tables. If we're just very negative the entire time, we're going to be losing a lot of money. We just talked to Chuck about this. Exactly.

Literally, Chuck's beat leukemia. Chuck's had like four or five different situations through his life in which the future was very much questioned. Did you hear what he said we got to be positive you put positive out positive happens let's remember that let's remind each other that every single day we go live out there let's do that yep yeah walk in that building and it's literally what 45 to 50 enemies now at this point yeah because everybody isn't that crazy aj it's a whole different year now it's a whole different year yeah i don't know i mean i don't

know if it's that high i wouldn't't say enemies. I'd say there's different people have different motives for whatever they may do and say, but I don't know if it's that high. We're going to kill them with kindness. You guys are. Especially if it's a gambling thing, fine. I will be the one that loses $5,000 in Vegas and you guys can win.

I won't put $1 on the table. That's what it means. Just losing. Yeah. Wow. This guy's living good. I already withdrawed. I already withdrawed. I already withdrawed the money. I already withdrawed the money

that I was praying. No, no. No. Congratulations. Wow. No. This guy's killing it. You guys are doing unlimited jerky. No. This guy's killing it.

I already withdrew money, okay? And I'm just adding on all the other withdrawals I'll have to make because I'm only losing because I'm going to be mean to everybody. Jesus. Give me a break. Hey, don't lose that Lamborghini. Connor G. Don't put the full mansion on it. No, not the mortgage. Nuh Lamborghini. Connor, geez.

Don't put the full mansion on it. No, not the mortgage. Not the village. Not me. Yeah, okay. Geez, this guy's living good, Josh. I love it. I love it.

I walk myself into it. So, I mean, it's only on me. I'm not pointing any fingers. But you sons of bitches. I do appreciate you doing this. Speaking of doing this, Colin Coward said, Caleb Williams doesn't want to go to Chicago. So, I don't know what anybody's even talking about do you hear that i know he's plugged in in la right at usc we all assume so anytime he speaks about anything usc we have to listen because colin

coward's been in the sports media world for a very long time very accomplished very good at what he does i'll listen to a promo or two of his throughout the season i go coward still got it yeah colin coward's still throwing his absolute heat. But he is kind of tied in over there. So whenever he alludes to the number one overall pick potentially not wanting to go to the place that has the number one overall pick, it's certainly going to make noise, and it did. So much so that Caleb Williams actually changed his profile photo

to a photo of him wearing a T-shirt as a child with a bear on it. I like that. So now we got an entire thing happening and did i would assume colin cowherd did hear something from somebody who probably would know that maybe they're thinking something caleb might be in a different uh position there's a lot of smoke right now combine season draft season it is bananas but when we hear stuff like this i think it only feeds the narrative some people have about caleb williams like relax but then on the other side there's people that

are like caleb williams is one of the only talents in the last 20 years where if he did do the whole eli i'm not going there it would end up working out because of how talented he is at football it's just it's great fodder for conversation we assume it won't take place but when it's mentioned we have to talk about it it's a massive ordeal there yeah i want to know though i think there's a difference between not wanting to go somewhere and are you not willing to go there like yeah you can easily be like hey i don't know if the scheme fits my what i do i don't know you know if they have whatever i'm looking for but yeah if i get drafted i'll go there that's it's one thing to not want to go there but if you're actually willing to pull the old eli situation and force your way somewhere else that's a different story eli john elway it has

happened a few different times not in the modern social media everything is either the greatest move or the worst move of all time era that we're currently in but it's like i think the way some people view him and i'm not uh we are not draft experts no we're currently in. But it's like, I think the way some people view him, and I'm not a... We are not draft experts. No. We're not scouting experts, although we do have a very high hit rate whenever we put eyes on somebody. Bingo. That's a Sunday player right there. Very high

hit rate. Very high. We don't swing the bat a lot, but whenever we look at somebody and go, that's going to be great in the NFL. So we don't really do the draft the same way everybody else does. We just hope and assume and break down the situation they're going into, which is a massive piece of it all. But what some people are saying about Caleb is like greatest draft prospect of all time. Would take him over Andrew Luck.

Would take him over Peyton Manning. So all of this shit that has seemingly come out over the last few months about like, you know, the baggage of like his dad, I guess is very loud. His dad does a lot. And the thoughts of this and the thoughts of, it's like seemingly everybody's saying it's 100% worth it

with how great of a football player he is. As one great person told me before when I was describing a situation, when you can spin it, you know, literally you can do whatever. Don't matter. In the football world. And that's basically how this whole story is going to be written for Caleb if it works or not.

Well, and for like all the rookie QBs. I think Daniel Jeremiah said this yesterday. He'd be stunned if the Bears and Patriots don't take a quarterback, but there's a chance the Commanders, he's not completely sold. But for all three of those guys at the top, like you got to have some good feeling about the fact that all the offensive coordinators on those teams are new. The Bears, that's a brand-new OC.

He's going to probably – he probably had to come in with a plan to sell, like, hey, this is what I want to do with whatever rookie QB you guys like. There has to be some sort of – Or they're trading. Or they're trading out and this is what they're doing with fields. But at least having some sort of plan for players like that has to help a little bit for them. You know what I appreciate, though, AJ? Whoever told Colin Coward this information, they were like,

we'd like to help the Chicago Bears make their decision on whether or not they want to stay at one or if they want to trade. Colin, why don't you tell the world? He's not interested in going. It's that, like, you know, I'm not going to say arrogance, but it is kind of that arrogance that, like, a lot of NFL people that I've chatted with are like, let's see, dude. Everybody's saying you're the next Patrick Mahomes.

Doesn't mean you are. There's been a lot of people that have been tagged the next a lot of things, and it hasn't worked out. From what we have seen and watched, I think he's going to have success. But a lot of it is dependent upon him making plays and extending plays. And it's like D. Lyman in the NFL run 4-2s, 4-3s. It's a little bit different than in college. Not saying it's not going to work,

but all of this shit that is coming outside of the Caleb Williams, which might be fake, you know, but all of this like he's only going to these couple teams is what it was beforehand. He won't do this. It's like that's already a lot. It's already a lot for somebody that's never. Would you take him?

Would you draft somebody if you knew they were public about not wanting to play there? Yeah, because I think like little things lead to big things, right? Which is kind of the conversation. All these are kind of indicators, I think, that are not good for Caleb. And I'm not saying Caleb's a part of it, but I'm just saying some people could view it. If this is how he's handling this situation, let alone whenever we've got to redo an offense coordinator, or we have to do this, how are they going to handle all this?

And then it seems like all the, you know, like you hear bready talk the other day he's like the team the team the team the team the team the team quiet you don't really hear it you know cj stroud coming out just super everything well he's dumb obviously that c2 thing said that he's dumb but everything else was just like whatever whatever it's know, there's some indicators that would lead that maybe this doesn't happen whenever somebody's really good. But Joey Burrow, there was rumors for a little bit that he was potentially going to leave, and he's worked out pretty good. So it's like, would I draft Caleb if I'm number one

and I need a quarterback? Yeah, I'm taking him. You know, just – You only know from speaking with him. When they – like, if you're going to take him number one, you're going to have plenty of times where you've worked him out, you've brought him in, you've talked to him, if you're going to take them number one, you're going to have plenty of times where you worked them out. You brought them in. You've talked to them.

You've probably talked to his family, his coaches. Like, you have a much better idea than we do just sitting here hearing what other people are saying. Exactly. And I would like to get the chance to learn more about him because all we ever hear about him, he's just like, well, his people are saying this. It's like, I'm tired of hearing from his people.

I would like to hear from Caleb Williams. It's a hard thing to know. Everybody has people. Like, even in college now, a lot of guys have people because of how the whole NIL situation plays out. Caleb Williams' camp, it's like, I want to hear from Caleb Williams. Everybody has people. Even in college now, a lot of guys have people because of how the whole NIL situation plays out. Caleb Williams' camp, it's like, I want to hear from Caleb. I'm about sick of hearing from the camp, you know, because we're not drafting the camp.

We're drafting Caleb Williams. But are you also drafting the camp? You are. Yeah, it all comes with it. Yeah, which is a whole other decision to make for a billion-dollar organization. When I first saw this, though, and given last year with CJ Stroud's stuff and when we kind of just be like, hey, is it possible that the Texans leaked all of that stuff because they knew all along, hey,

we want him at number two. Like, is this potentially the Bears just kicking this up to see, hey, well, some other team, he's obviously regarded as the top quarterback no matter what. You know, it's not even close compared to the other two guys. Are they just putting this out there to kind of kick the tires on everyone else and be like, hey, let's see if we can get another team to kind of give us a king's ransom to move up to number one to take this guy?

We do have to remember that. We can't be so immature. It's very possible. Everything is bullshit. We are 10 days away from bullshit season. And we talked about like – Oh, my God. Jesus.

Every day we're going to have to deal with it. With Burrow. Put a number on it. Burrow, like Burrow at one point it was like, yeah, for sure he's not playing for the Bengals. He doesn't want to and it turns out that was all bullshit. This could be all bullshit. And I think it would be nice to come out and hear him talk, but him putting up the picture of

him wearing the bear on the, that is his version of saying, this is bullshit. Hey, Caleb. Good luck, man. It's going gonna get so loud oh yeah media day right it's gonna be so these guys are would they go to media day probably i'm sure they're getting paid good money to for the combine you're talking about it's radio row yeah we've got a list of some uh people that are coming there'll be college guys there right some guys are draft eligible there usually is. I don't think Caleb, though. Wait, Hooker last year, he was selling at Baines.

Hooker, Stroud, two years ago. Hutch, yeah. Big Phoenix should be there. Huh? Big Phoenix. Michael Penix. Okay, that'd be nice. He's at the Senior Bowl currently down in Mobile, Alabama.

Saw him throwing one-on-ones and also telling Kalen DeBoer to get out of the photo. Very weird. That did not happen. That was not real. Patriots did a highlight montage of just Bo Nix and Michael Penix. Is that not the weirdest thing? And then put it out on their own social. I would assume that they're going to do others as well.

But isn't it just to do the quarterbacks? I don't know because they know that you, Marks. Exactly. Of course. He was the cover photo, too, of their first mock draft, too, wasn't it? Yeah, the whole entire thing. Speaking of these types of things, I think these will continue. Teams do this and make

content. I think the Colts were doing something similar last year, whenever we were in the quarterback market. I think it's a social media team trying to draw up whatever. And maybe it's Kraft saying, hey, tell me who the fans – Who are we looking at? Who are the fans most juiced about? Sure.

The post that I'm worried about – why did Dak Prescott post that Super Bowl poster? What was that? I saw that and I'm still – I feel like I just don't – I'm not in on the joke or I'm not in on whatever's happening. And maybe it was an ad or maybe the NFL asked him to, but he's Dak Prescott.

He's made a lot of money. He could certainly say, no, I'm not going to do that. He's not very active on Twitter or X at all except for ads. So when this one drops in the old timeline, you know, I'm like, oh, Dak, tweet and welcome to X, you know, good to have you here. And then you go and look at the responses and it's exactly what you think it is yeah a game you're never going to be in and there's comments turned off so that means quote tweets which is even more exposure like people are like um turn off the comments if you don't want to read anything it's like quote tweets are even that's even Quote tweets is the goal of every single tweet so that, you know, you can be seen by more people because then you see it in context.

So he's just getting cooked into quotes pretty much. So you turn the comments off because you don't want to hear, you know, it's going to probably produce some garbage comments, but it doesn't matter. It's almost more now, you say, when you do that. It's getting louder, yeah, because when you, somebody that might just comment, that's only going to show up in a timeline of people that follow you and the person you're commenting to. But whenever somebody has to quote tweet it, it's showing up in their timeline to everybody that follows them.

So it's almost putting a bigger spotlight on the thing as opposed to what the turning the comments off is supposed to do. So I don't know the exact mission of said thing, but maybe Dak just wants to watch the game. Maybe Dak's pumped up about it. I think maybe we should keep that in mind, that Dak Prescott is pretty pumped up about watching Brock Purdy

and watching Patrick Mahomes go do his thing. But he's also, Dak Prescott, whoever's running his social or him, has to know that that's going to be the immediate reaction immediately afterwards. Yeah, I mean, I have no idea. There's no logical reason. These people get these social media degrees. And then it feels like their sense of feel

on social media is not one that has ever been found because they tried to learn what social media was in a book. Who teaches the class? Who teaches the social media classes that people get degrees in? AI. Buddy. I'm not even getting into it i mean do you think 19 year olds teaching class tom from myspace by the time now tom from myspace should teach an entrepreneur thing and also photography i think he's uh yeah i think he's a big time photographer by the time the book is done that you wrote about social media that phase of social media is already dead. Those trends,

by the time you're a chapter into that book, already dead. So if it's the history of social media, I think you can certainly teach that. But to be good at social media, and I think a lot of people are falling for this. It's not just athletes who are hiring social media teams. A lot of these legacy companies are hiring youngs, you know, because we know how important social media is. We hear about this for the alpha generation and the millennial generation and all this other stuff. We need to be in social media, but the olds have no idea what it is. They have no clue.

So, boom, what do you have? Lo and behold, it's called a social media degree. This is the person that we should certainly hire. Then they're handed the keys to a ferrari with a ferrari kit pac-man's first song released under universal label is today ferrari kit but they're getting handed the keys to these ferraris and they have no idea what they have no feel they have no sense they have no like actual idea of what this could happen to the brand all they're looking at is numbers like that particular tweet is going to do massive numbers that that thing's going to be seen by a lot of

people in it in the social media degrees eyes job well done did it jaw look at what i you're welcome look at me i got all these impressions it's like are those the ones you want is that are those the impressions you want is that what you know you're looking for is that what i just thought it was very dumb i thought it was a dumb move by dac or whoever's in dac's team that decided to do that even if he is pumped for the super bowl and loves the nfl like the rest of us that was an alley-oop to people just to kill dac prescott yeah and uh i don't love it as a fan of dac prescott aj yeah i'm a fan fan of Dak as well I'm still confused maybe he'll explain it a little bit but are there people out there you think that are good at running people's social media

like someone that maybe they make you think it's actually them doing it but you know they have a squad I've met a couple social media people I know one guy that ran a few counts that was really good Shadowline does good I think for Tom I think that's a few counts that was really good. Shadowline does good, I think, for Tom. I think that's a good group over there.

Nicky tweets. He's a real chameleon. He can get in there. I think that's who I'm thinking of. I think Gumpy tweets out all the live videos. He can tag those in ways that we could get a lot bigger views and potentially just ruin

people, which is what another account does with our videos which is very nice of them to do that and try to kill us every single day axelrod shout out to you bud but like i think gump does really well with it all it's just like trying to figure out and sort through what matters whenever it comes to social media numbers and what doesn't like hate watching obviously always going to be good but is it good for your brand is it good for your company i don't think so but do you see the big number it's like whoa look at how good that is like that's not real maybe if dac makes a super bowl they'll look back on this tweet and say hey look what all you haters said back then freezing cold takes yeah nice bingo

yeah long game it's like jaylen having in the background of his phone him walking off the field as the Chiefs were celebrating last year. Oh, so Dak posted that so that he could open his ex-account and look at it. Bingo. And realize that the Cowboys aren't in the Super Bowl. Motivation. See, that's why these social media degrees are good. You're 100% right.

A year later though when he posts it, when he quote tweets that tweet with the new poster of the Cowboys playing the Patriots in the Super Bowl, he's going to be the coolest guy in town. I called it. I already told you. Hey, Dak, we don't like what people are saying about you. Good luck out there, though.

Good luck, Dak. You're paid a lot of money, obviously, so you can handle it. You're a quarterback for the Cowboys, obviously you can handle it, but I hope you win. There's been some changes, obviously, around the NFL. Down in the Carolina Panthers, a man named Dan Morgan, who I don't think all of us necessarily knew who he was, was hired as the general manager. And then you hear from people that coached him

whenever he was at Miami, and then have played alongside him in the NFL, and they got a chance to watch him work whenever he was in front office personnel, and they're like, Dan is a monster. Dan is a dog. Dan is the exact type of mindset you want to have in the position of power if you want to flip the culture.

He had his opening press conference. Here's what he said about the type of players he's looking for, AJ. We need to find those leaders, those competitors, as Jay Stu would say, those dogs. We need some dogs. We've got to get some guys that are passionate about football and love football. They want to come out every day and compete. the practice field in the weight room we need competitors we gotta bring that back

here we gotta bring that back here to back of america stadium to where people get excited about coming to see our team i don't think he's blinked since he's got the job i'm not sure he's blinked since he got the job but you see what obviously happened up in Detroit with a dog mentality trying to flip it. I like that Tepper's going this route with Dan Morgan, AJ. Yeah, Dan Morgan, I would imagine he and Tepper probably will have a great relationship. We know, like Dan Morgan, I know from watching him,

I mean, one of my favorite players of all time. Like, the guy was all over the place every single time he played. And you see, you could, I mean, you see see his eyes there I remember seeing his eyes when he's in his linebacker stance he had a sweet visor on at times as well so the guys yeah why wouldn't you this it doesn't matter if you win the press conference or you win the hiring I know we talked about that but I think this is one of those things where it's going to be a good long-term situation hopefully for him if they can win some games there was another press conference that took place just yesterday of a new head coach in los angeles there's a couple

sound bites that certainly need to be heard before we end up talking to the man that said him here's jim harbaugh chit-chatting about justin herbert and the team that he has around him with derwin james and keenan allen justin herbert you you know you I mean, he's a, that's well said on that video. I mean, that's a, he's a crown jewel in the National Football League. Derwin James, there's another one. Talk about somebody getting me fired up. I mean, let's go. You know, Justin Herbert walks up on you, you know, like, okay, all right.

Okay, all right okay all right this is awesome and obviously the buzz and electricity that surrounds this man seemingly everywhere he goes is a big deal and it's not all glitz and glamour though he talked about la and southern california and wanting a winner and then he started describing his team and how they're going to get there he said work just blue collar we're going to work that. And he said, work, just blue collar. We're going to work. There's no real magic to it. This is actually a conversation about what he did in the weight room the first day he was in the building. The weight room is, we're getting it cleaned up right now. We're getting it all set.

Had a great day just yesterday. I mean, talk about fulfillment. I mean, going in there to Home Depot and, you know, getting the shop back. And I feel like I'm back at USD. I mean, let's get this thing right. Let's get it good. When these players come in here, then everything's organized

and they're going to see that, yeah, things are changing. Things are different. And we want to get into that center of player development, you know, that weight room. And let's have at it. You know, you hungry?

You want to eat? I mean, this is an all-you-can-eat buffet right here. So let's get that work in. And that's what the players have been saying back to me. You know, let's get it, coach. I love them. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, the new head coach of the Los Angeles Chargers,

reigning national champion as a Michigan man and a Michigan Wolverines head coach last season, Jim Harbaugh. Yeah, coach! Coach. Thank you, Pat. You're the man, dude. Hey, listen. Nice to meet you.

You are the man. Hey, Jim. Yeah. Thank you for being the human you are and representing football the way that you do, Jim. Genuinely. I've got a chance to learn a lot about you over this last year, these last couple months, more specifically with the college football playoff, and then you getting back into the NFL.

You are everything that is great with football, Jim. I just want you to know that before we start this conversation. Well, appreciate those kind words and just humble, hungry, ready to attack. Yeah yeah and that seems to be the message for every press conference you have attack and dominate the day and you gave a shout out to your dad and your mom football is you i think you you described it as like uh you play you coach then you die at what point did you realize that was that like whenever you were like eight nine years old or when did you know this was going to be your life as a whole? Six, six years old. It was when I was in kindergarten.

We were taking a bus to school. And I remember getting off the bus one school day and pretending I was a football player, getting off the bus to go into the stadium. I think that's when it hit me. It's like, this is definitely what I'm going to do. I'm going to play as long as I can, then I'm going to coach, you know, and then eventually die. I remember having that thought at six years old. Hey, there's a chance you're never going to die, by the way, with modern technology and your work ethic. Go ahead, AJ. Go ahead, AJ. Coach, what was that transition like from a player to a coach?

I know I think you were working for your dad's staff at Western Kentucky while you were still playing, but was that a tough transition going from player to coach? Yeah, I think it took about one year to get up to speed. Definitely the playing football, I i mean there was an advantage that's what i had been doing you know up until that point like 20 years college plus plus as a pro player five as a college 15 as a pro football player but uh to really be a coach uh you know every day working at the Oakland Raiders, Bill Callahan was the head coach, Al Davis, the owner. Two years there, you know, felt like four, you know, just because there was so much work to do. And I was really low on the totem pole, quality control coach, breaking down the tape, drawing the pictures, you know, really learning.

Mentors like Mark Trestman, Bill J. Norvell, you know, all these great guys, you know, especially Mr. Davis. I mean, watching every play, every tape. He would sometimes, I mean, I have so many great stories. every play, every tape. He would sometimes, I mean, I have, I have so many great stories. I was running the scout team at one point and, you know, he called me and he was watching the tape and noticed that we had, you know, 12 in the huddle. I mean, wow. I mean, this is, you know, there's a, there's a, just a level of, of detail when you're a coach that had to learn, had to learn the technology but yeah one year i would i would say to any any player uh you know they're gonna you're gonna you're gonna really

lean on that uh playing career because you know it you know how to do it um you know you can put your body in those in those positions uh and visualize it and then be able to explain and teach to a player probably takes about a year to get up to speed. Yeah, and that year with the Raiders, I assume if it's anything like anybody else's quality control time, you're getting coffee, you're fixing the, I don't even know if there's a printer, no offense, fax machines back then, everything like that. That is a very low on the totem pole job.

You've got to earn your stripes in the coaching business. And you said in the press conference yesterday that when you went and took the USD job after, as a Chargers player, going and seeing it and telling them, if you ever need a head coach, when I'm done, I would love to be the head coach. You said in the press conference yesterday, there's a story with Al Davis, whenever you told him you were going to go be the head coach of Al Davis, did he call you crazy? Did say what are you doing was he pumped about you going and doing that and getting a chance to see you and quarterback from USD

uh Josh Johnson the other day before the game was a beautiful thing kind of a full circle moment for your career I think as we looked on but But what was Al Davis' thoughts whenever you got the head job at USD and you left the Raiders? Yeah, so, you know, Mr. Davis, I mean, probably a couple other stories before that, but, you know, you really had to think out how you were going to say something, what you were going to say. You know, it needed to be thought out because the man is such a visionary and just, I mean, off the charts, so much, so much more evolved than anybody I've ever met in football.

But when I did go in to tell him, I said, you know, Mr. Davis, I want to go be the head coach at University of San Diego. And he said to me, I thought, you know, I thought we brought you here to be a head coach. I thought we brought you here to be a head coach. I thought we brought you here to be an NFL coach. Why are you going there? So I had my answer thought out. And I said, well, Mr. Davis, I've studied your career. And I know you started as a college football coach. And I wanted to emulate you and your career. And he said, yeah, but that was USC, Yeah, but that was USC, not USD. That's a fair.

Why do you think, now leading to that point, and now Davis being a guy that's able to do that, not a lot of people have been able to coach both college and NFL. Not a lot of people have been able to relate to the players. Why do you think you've been able to have success, and what are the differences, and how long do you think it's going to take for you to get back into the I'm coaching adults mode or do you change it all for any of it well it says a lot there a lot a lot of great uh great things to think about but I mean there's been a lot that have I mean Jimmy Johnson uh Pete Carroll young young in my career uh I

remember Dave Adolph uh who was also a coach that coached both college and pro. And I put Dave Adolph on the level of Jack Harbaugh and John Harbaugh, one of the greatest coaches of all time. That was Dave. You know, so many things I so much I do in coaching is is because of Dave Adolph and how he did it. So I think there's there there are lots of lots of coaches who are lots of coaches who have done it and done it very well. I mean, bottom line is, you know, there are no great coaches. There are no good coaches that don't have good players. So that's the main thing.

You know, you need to either – and to get better, you got to – you know, the players have to be better. You have to either, you know, draft them, sign them, or coach them to be better. Those are the only two things. Difference in college and pro players, really not that much different other than the pro players. I mean, they're the best. I mean, they're the best college I mean, they're the best college players. A.J., you know it.

I mean, if you get to become a pro player and make a pro team, you're the best of the best. You were the most coachable in college. You worked the hardest. You were the most disciplined. It meant the most to you. And so, you know, it's like you're breathing the same air. And not that the college players aren't that they just, you know, just you have to train them, you know, to get there and not all make it, you know, don't all don't have the talent and the and the effort,

you know, to make it to that. But, you know, these guys are pros. I mean, they're pros, pros. And, you know, it's challenging because they've had good coaches in their past. You know, maybe they even had their favorite coach. Might have been their high school coach or their college coach. So, you know, it's a level of, you know, what goes through my mind right now is just, you know, you got to really bring it. I mean, I got to be good. You know, I got to really bring it. I mean, I gotta, I gotta be good. You know, I gotta be accountable. I gotta be, you know, walking into a room, you know, coaching Justin Herbert. Boy, I better, I better know my stuff. You know, I better have looked at all the

tape. I better make this, this system clean. And every time he steps out of a quarterback meeting, then, you know, he's got clarity, it's clean, concise, and then he can go take it to the field. So, yeah, it's a big challenge. And right now getting that coaching staff put together, you know, just want an all-star staff, want experts at each position, you know, especially coaching the quarterback. But, you know, every spot, every spot, there is no weak link.

You're only as strong as your weakest link, I think, is a pretty good realistic, call it a cliche, but truth, facts. So a lot going on right now pat and um and aj and and i got to tell you this that that that interview with uh you did with tom brady uh the other day i mean why are you watching that jim don't be watching that don't be jim you got other stuff don't be watching our dumb ass show jim you're a good you said like oh there's a lot of people that are good in college that was that was that was not dumb ass that was was not dumbass. That was as real as it gets. And you said some of the things I said.

I mean, there's no magic recipes or secret sauce formulas. I mean, it's hard work, good old-fashioned hard work and good old-fashioned teamwork. And Tom laid it out as well as it can be laid out. You know, work, teamwork. that's what makes the dream work. Accountability. I mean, that interview you did with Tom, that should be content that every young football player, college football player, pro football player studies.

Jim, I mean, I'm mind- mind blown right now that you even watched it and you said those very nice things but like thank you obviously thank you but i was right there i was right there with my 11 year old son jack by watching this i go jack are you paying are you are you hearing this jack don't listen to this show jack jack this is that interview but don't listen to the rest of the show. And I want to go back to the beginning of your answer there. Archive that one, please. Yes.

All right. We'll put a star on it. We'll send it over to you. We'll get the clip to the office. We've already seen that you've already done some upgrades at the Chargers facility. But what you said there at the beginning, you said there's a lot of guys that have been successful in college and in the NFL. You just went back like 60 years.

There's like 10 people. You need to know that. You're special, Jim. You just went back like 60 years. There's like 10 people. You need to know that. You're special, Jim. You are very special. And that answer you just gave is a beautiful thing because I think that's what everybody wants from their coach. You just have an ability to implement it and execute it at all levels. It's a beautiful thing.

We're lucky you're here. Go ahead, AJ. Coach, what's your favorite? John Harbaugh is another name. John Harbaugh started as a college coach, Miami of Ohio. Went to school there, Cincinnati, Moorhead State, Indiana. He was very successful in both college and pro. That a baby John.

The Harbaugh family can coach him up, no doubt. Go ahead, AJ. Coach, I know you play against your brother again this year. How do you guys game plan against each other? What is that like? Do you communicate during the week? What are you going to do? Do you already have a game plan against each other? What is that like? Do you communicate during the week? Like, what are you going to do? Like, do you already have a game plan going in?

I mean, now you're talking about it. I mean, they're one of the toughest competitors in every way. I mean, there's a – you know the great guy, John Harbaugh, and you know the competitor. I know the edge. I know the – you know, just the sheer will. I mean, and it just pulls it out. It pulls it out. You know, you gotta be at the, at your absolute best, you know,

his team's going to be, you know, just tougher than heck to beat. And so it's, it's yeah, that's, it's, it's, it pulls it out of you. It's, it's, it's one of those things that were, you know, one of the great competitions. And it, practically every, I mean, every team, every team you play for, play against in the NFL is that way. Jim, let's talk about the teams that you've had in the NFL in the past. And I think a lot of people would say you were way ahead of time with the way you ran that San Francisco 49ers offense, with everything that's happening now with RPOs. The college game is becoming the pro game, and it has been.

But it feels like physicality has come all the way back in football. If we look at your Michigan team that just won a national championship, it was like, hey, that was a hard-nosed team. Remember, college was supposed to be wide open. We don't get to the quarterback. There's a lot of some confusion, misdirection. We're airing it out. Your team was just physical. That is, it was obviously a talented team in the waste room

or out, you know, schemed and motioned and huddled and confused. It was a professional outfit. But it does feel like physical football is all the way back. Is one of the reasons why you took the Chargers job is because Herbert's able to play that particular style of football. And how much do you think your team is going to resemble what the Niners looked like back in the day when you were ahead of this curve when it came to NFL football? Oh, man, that's so much great stuff there.

I mean, it all goes back to Vince Lombardi, right? I mean, football, blocking and tackling. Defense Lombardi, right? I mean, football, blocking and tackling. And there was a time there in college football where, yeah, it was getting all this wide open stuff and saw a real opportunity, some real low-hanging fruit. What is – if they zig, we'll zag, you know.

We'll be the ying to their yang. I mean, we'll just come out and, come out and get a heck of a lot more physical. Things have, you see it in the, there's not that advantage currently in pro football. Everybody realizes you've got to play defense. You've got to

be able to run the ball. You better be able to play good up front and protect the quarterback. You better be all out on on special teams so uh yeah i mean uh yeah there's there's not some there's not too much low-hanging fruit right there i mean i see uh see that's that's that's the pro game as for justin herbert there's no style of football that uh you know he doesn't he wouldn't he wouldn't excel at. I mean, if you want to talk RPOs, if he was just going to be a running quarterback, he could

be that. Drop back, pack, pocket passer. I mean, he's got the potential to be the absolute best at that. He could probably go play tight end and be a Pro Bowl tight end. Kicker! He can kick, coach. He can kick.

We've got a pretty good kicker here right now. But, yes, there's no question. I mean, he could be your punter. He could be your kicker. He would be a tremendous edge rusher. I mean, it's – That size. Yeah, that length.

Yeah, but, yeah, quarterback, know we we have a great one and i really was you know in that press conference yesterday you know really also just sending a message i you know some that hopefully many heard it um which is uh you know coaches potential coaches here uh for the los angeles chargers i mean we have got to protect this this man uh his environment both on the field you know uh off the field in the meeting room and it's gonna it's gonna have to be uh come here i mean you got to be you got to be up for the challenge you know man enough to you know coach a talent like like justin herbert and the rest of the team up front. Offensive line, I mean, we're relying on it.

I mean, every position group relies on the offensive line. Defensively, I mean, we've got to be able to get teams stopped, get turnovers, get field position. Special teams, we're improving here. But, yeah, run game, play action. You know, we've got to attack it all and, you know, get really good. Get really good at football if we're going to accomplish the goals that we want. And our players want it.

Yeah, everybody seems to want to over there. Justin Herbert listening to you talk, by the way, and he's super quiet, humble, obviously. And I think people say he has a phenomenal personality and great work ethic. There's nothing but hearing your head coach, though, come he's super quiet, humble, obviously, and I think people say he has a phenomenal personality and great work ethic. There's nothing but hearing your head coach, though, come in and be like, hey, this is what we need to build. We're lucky to have it. That's huge for him.

You know that, though, right, whenever you're saying it all, and is that always going to be a goal? Because Greenberg told us, Mike Greenberg told us a story that was like, you're at a funeral. Rest in peace to whoever passed away. Great Ira Harris. Okay. This is the first time we've learned about this.

Rest in peace to Ira Harris. Yes, sir. Moment of silence for Ira Harris. Great man. Moment has passed. Rest in peace. Okay. At that funeral, Mike Greenberg said that you guys started a conversation, and he said

unprompted, you came out and we're just talking about Justin Herbert being like the next generation of what a football player is supposed to be like absolute love affair with Justin Herbert. Obviously you have a connection to the Spanos family and to the chargers as you played there. But he was basically saying while you were still in college, not even thinking about the NFL at this standpoint, but looking ahead at the NFL, you're like, Justin Herbert's guy, Justin Herbert's guy. After meeting him, talking to him, seeing him, obviously you looked up at him.

Has that grown? What has it been about Justin Herbert, and how has it been with Justin Herbert since meeting him here, since taking the head coaching job? Yeah, I mean, yeah, going back to that time, I remember the conversation well with Greeny. And, you know, we were talking about J.J. McCarthy and what I thought of J.J. McCarthy. You know, just think he's he's he's tremendous.

And I was comparing it to, you know, some of the people I thought like Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen and, you know, some of the great quarterbacks that are in the league. And definitely, you know, we got off onto Justin Herbert. There's no secret here, right? I mean, everybody knows, you know, how great of a player he is, right? I mean, you just have to watch. And Lamar, those four were the ones I was comparing JJ2 to at the time. But, yeah, there's another level there with Justin Herbert that just gifted mom, dad, and God. And the way you see him, you know, like some of the games he's played.

I mean, it's just tough and tough. And, you know, you know, people people hit Justin. You know, you notice that and they just, you know, just, you know, big hits and he's just down and then he pops back up. You know, like you never see him complain about uh you know a late hit or anything it's like he just shrugs it off like it's it's it's not even a not even an issue uh when he gets hit in the boundary or or late and uh you know maybe that's maybe he doesn't get some of the calls he should because he because he doesn't uh but you know some some of the fourth down pickups he he's he's made i mean the presser situations yeah well that was the kind of conversation we were having with Greeny that day. So whenever you two, it feels like you said the ying to the yang,

when people yang, we're going to yang. When zig, we're going to zag. Feels like you and Herbert probably see football the same way, if I had to guess. And do you feel like it's a perfect fit? I feel like it is from outside looking in. Everything that Herbert potentially needs comes in the form of one coach

who's a little bit more demanding, commanding, understands him potentially a little bit more. Do you feel like it's a perfect fit now that you've got to be around each other a little bit? Yeah, I do. I mean, the organization, the Spanos family, everybody I've met here in the organization that wants to work, wants to win. I mean, our owner, the Spanos family, everybody I've met here in the organization that wants to work, wants to win.

Our owner, Dean Spanos, is here every single day. He's one of the first in the building and the last to leave. I think John Spanos is a star. I think Ed McGuire, who was here when I was here, really nobody knows the cap better. Joe Ortiz, he just came on board the other night.

And the players, Derwin James. I mentioned some of these guys I'm having conversations with that are getting me fired up and inspired. Keenan Allen. Some of the guys that are best. Joey Bosa. Back and forth talking to him.

Khalil Mack. Austin Eckler. Meeting some of the offensive linemen. Zion Johnson just met him today. I mean, great looking guys walking through the door. And Justin, you know, I think we do. I think we have a lot in common. I think we share a very important asset of being relentless.

Well, we have been relentless in an opportunity to potentially get a chance to chat with you on this program and we are incredibly thankful you're back in the nfl and that you joined us today good luck with everything and keep that shop vac going over there coach appreciate it hey you're the man ladies and gentlemen jim hornbaugh as we wrap up here on this feel good friday on espn we can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. We'll be back on Overreaction Monday, a Super Bowl week. Nailed it.

Right out. Let's go. He's awesome. I think he's still on, it sounds like. Hey, you're the man, Jim. You're the man, Jim. Just everything about him is like him. Oh, yeah.

You know what I mean? He feels like him. Genuine. Always, Jim. Very confident. He actually thinks. I like how you see him. You ask him a question, and he kind of pauses,

and he actually thinks about the question. Oh, okay. And then he thinks about his answer. It's kind of cool to see. God, a lot there that's good. Don't know which part I want to go with, but I'll do that. And he's like, I feel like you have to have an immense amount of confidence to be able to be yourself all the time.

And it sounds like with everybody else we talk to, just like Joe Montana, just like Tom Brady, just like everybody else, the amount of preparation and work that goes into showcasing the confidence and everything is something you don't hear about. This dude allegedly is going to sleep in a fucking RV near the facility. Believe it. Makes sense. That's what it takes. SS Harbaugh. RV near the facility. Believe it. Makes sense.

That's what it takes. SS Harbaugh. I think he said he wants to take it to one of those parks like on the beach they have out there that you can go set your old RV up, plug in, enjoy a view. They said, the Chargers told us that he got there like Tuesday. Wednesday morning, first stop was Home Depot. Shop vac, we're in the weight room. That's hilarious. And they walked in and they saw him shop.

Imagine walking in, seeing your brand new head coach, and just like your thought is Jim Harbaugh. You don't know him. Just won a national championship. You just have thoughts about Jim Harbaugh. You've seen him do his thing. You do that whole thing. You walk in, you think you're there early. You think you're there early. Normally you're the first person

in there. You open it. Harbaugh is shirtless in khakis with a shop vac in the middle of the weight room. Cleats on. Cleats on. Oh, you're the first person in there. You open it. Hardball is shirtless and khakis with a shop vac in the middle of the weight room. Cleats on. We're going to be alright. Oh, man. That little tidbit in there, too, that he talked to Austin Eckler. I'm sure Chargers

fans are probably pretty pumped up to hear that. Khalil Mack, too, right? Because you're thinking about Khalil Mack. All of them are. Kenan Allen, I believe, is a conversation piece. Eckler, I think contract's up i thought i think so too yeah but everybody's saying khalil max will be gone because it's like a 20 million dollar save or something like that and they're they got some cap issues or whatever but if you're justin herbert listening and jim harbaugh talk about you he's like man if you come coach here you got to be man enough to be able to coach a talent like justin herbert if you're an offensive lineman like you got to be man enough to be able to coach a talent like Justin Herbert? If you're an offensive lineman,

you've got to be tough enough to handle the job of protecting a crown jewel behind you. It's like Justin Herbert's probably like, it's about time. Harbaugh knows the gig. It's just like if anyone gets close to a quarterback in practice in the NFL, you get cut. Like, no, do not ever. That's our meal ticket.

Every coach, every player knows it. Keep that guy healthy and let's protect him. I can't believe he watched an interview with Tom Brady. Shout out Jack Harbaugh. Young Jack Harbaugh. Hey, young Jack, you should not watch the show, obviously, especially this particular hour if you are, but you're 11 years old, so you're certainly watching on YouTube.

You're not watching on ESPN Linear. Right. Which is what most of the demo stuff will tell you. But you should not be watching this show, Jack. Wait till you're 18. With that being said, thanks for introducing our show to your dad. Yeah, keep showing your dad clips, though. Go to school.

I think they're going to do good. Yeah. They're in the Big Bad Wolfs division. Yeah, exactly. It's so tough. It's so tough. They have some players. Chiefs of Hall, it's in jail.

But the Big Bad Wolf that I'm referring to is Pachamon. Oh, okay. But it's realer now, right? Because even in the past years, it's been like, hey, Chargers might go. But now it feels like, hey, this is very, very real for the Chargers. Chargers always play Chiefs. Very well. Divisional games, no matter how good the dynasty is, is going to be difficult.

Now, I guess you guys just beat the hell out of Jets, seemingly. Yeah, but every year we would go down to Miami and we'd lose. And Buffalo was always a problem. Division games are always going to be tough, even in a dynasty, because they know you and there's a little heightened atmosphere. You know, you're playing each other two times a year for these NFL guys, both coaches and players. If you get a couple little – if you're playing somebody four weeks from now

and you talk about the NFL guys being the best of the best, that's like the smartest of the smart, too. They're going to pick things up from the last game just in one year, let alone if you're playing three, four years straight. There's going to be a lot of things that are known, and it's like with this new Chargers team, I think that's an advantage for the Chargers. And if they keep a lot of these players that they're talking about,

they know the Chiefs. So it's an advantage for the Chargers again. I am a massive Chiefs fan. We all know that. But we have been on the Chargers bandwagon for a while. We've been very lucky that the Chargers people have been nice to us and kind to us. Obviously, I think it started because Tom Telesco was the general manager there.

He's the one that drafted me pretty much into the NFL through Bill Pullian, so we kind of built up a relationship. But Jim Harbaugh being your coach, they're going to be on TV every day. Yes. Press conference is going to be there every day. It's in L.A. too, so there's going to be media there. The Chargers are about to be a massive piece of the NFL sports media, and we're all going to be better for it because he just drops gems,

just drops gems out of his mouth accidentally in the middle of answering about something else, AJ. I think it's obviously brought a bunch of extra juice to everything. There's hirings all over the NFL. We know that. This one feels like Harbaugh's going to continue to make waves. He's going to continue to pop up here and out throughout the offseason. And we obviously know

once the season starts and he's behind a mic every day in training camp and then during the regular season, yeah, there's win or lose, it will be entertaining to watch. Mike Tomlin's in the middle of the field at the Senior Bowl. Always is. Jim Harbaugh at the Combine. Oh, man.

Oh, yeah. He's going to be on that. He might be shirtless taking him through, like showing him how to do the drills. Throwing. Come on. Come on. This is your opportunity, man. He's got his cleats on.

Look at me getting out of this break with these cleats on. Look at me getting out of this break with these cleats on. Joining us now live, ladies and gentlemen, is a former general manager in the NFL, a consigliere around the NFL, an author, a host, an email newsletter creator, an entrepreneur, a TED talker, a Lombardi line hosting,

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Man, you were killing it today. The greatest of all time, Joe Montana. You had Brady, Montana. I mean, then the great captain come back himself on the show. I mean, this is remarkable. Who's ever doing your booking? It's kicking ass. It's really good.

Shout out to us. Shout out to us doing that. Shout out to Z the Baby Hammer and the phones. Shout out to Con Man having a connect up in Massachusetts. Shout out to Travis Kelsey who booked Patrick Mahomes on the show. I love it. I love Connor when he got to ask TB a question. That was great.

I mean, his palms were sweating there. I mean, it was so good. He was loving it. I want to thank you. Yeah, yeah. That's what I always said to Brady. Tommy, I want to thank you. I want to thank you. Yes.

Yeah, that's always the right play for somebody that's brought you a lot of success and happiness. And Connor, we all thought you did a great job. Yeah. I applaud you, my man. It was great. I appreciate it. I've been like that before. Yeah, you know.

Here comes the GOAT. Connor almost lost his cool in the middle of that question. He's getting real pissed off, Lambeau. You have no idea, brother. Yeah. I love it. Lambo, let's talk about Bill Belichick, obviously, the other half of that pair.

Now, there's been reports that have come out from a lot of different angles. We don't know where they're coming from or who they're coming from, but let me just kind of recap everything that I've kind of heard. Commander's not interested in Bill Belichick. That came out early. Then he was interviewing with the Atlanta Falcons.

Then the Atlanta Falcons had two interviews. Then they moved on from him. Then it came out that Bill Belichick would require like 30 people to be fired, which is something that a lot of owners didn't want to do, especially for a two- to three-year trial. Okay. Then we heard that maybe, you know, it wasn't just that 30 people would have to be fired.

It was kind of a conflict of philosophy that Bill Belichick wanted to run everything. Bill Belichick wouldn't change the way he did anything. And also people were fearing that he couldn't relate to this generation of football players, which is why he hadn't gotten a job. Now, all of this is coming out. We don't know who's saying it, why it's trying to get out, whatever the case. As we sit right here on this Feel Good Friday, February 2nd, with no head coaching jobs available anymore, a full coaching cycle going around, and Bill Belichick being available, why do you think he's not a head

coach somewhere, and what do you think happens with Bill Belichick going forward? Paisano. Well, okay, full disclosure. I'm obviously close friends with the man. I won two Super Bowls with him. I started in 1991 with him. So I know him as well as I think anybody can know him. And so I'm speaking this from the truth. People might think I'm slanted, but it's not. Let's start off with the ultimate reason why. The NFL is now in a phase of collaboration. People want to collaborate. Everything is about collaboration. Let's bring everybody together. Let's have a nice talk. We'll go to Dairy Queen afterwards. Everybody will have a participation in all this and we'll build a team.'s collaborate and i think what happens when you have guys like

grable and belichick who have strong opinions who are very knowledgeable probably more knowledgeable than any of the people interviewing them then collaborations doors not going to swing wide open they're going to think he's just going to dictate to us and i think a lot of times these coaches that have had success are viewed as being power hungry. Jim Harbaugh, is he power hungry? No, Jim Harbaugh's culture hungry. He wants to build his culture and he'll do it in a collaborative way. And I think ultimately at the end of the day in Atlanta, they favored a collaboration of their front office. Now, honestly, he was told that Terry Fontenot was going to stay on the job,

and he had no problem with that. Belichick has never had a problem with working with people. I didn't know Belichick when he came in 1991 in Cleveland. None of us did. And we all worked together. And if you do your job really well, and you can bring information that's worthwhile, that he views as his way of coaching the team, because ultimately he has to coach the team. So I think there is a little bit of people don't want that. They don't want to be challenged. They don't want that competitive nature.

It's hard for me to understand that you're standing there saying, we're going to win. We really ultimately care about winning, but we want to be in a collaborative way. The NFL, it's a hard league to be collaborative. The two teams in the Super Bowl, you could say they're collaborative, but Kyle runs the 49ers and Andy runs the Chiefs. And Brett Beach does a great job of helping them, no question. John Lynch does help him in terms of that. But there is a collaboration from within from the head coach.

And I think Atlanta chose to go with their front office, which has won 21 games over the last three years, and basically said to everybody, the reason we lost is because Arthur Smith wasn't good enough. That's what they said. And let me just, before I close, Bill Walsh said this in 1975. It's in Paul Zimmerman's book, The Thinking Man's Guide to Football, which nobody will find, it's impossible, but it's there. He said, anybody who sits with the owner and the personnel guy who's next to the owner on game day, they're going to convince the owner who don't know enough about football that everything's wrong with their team is the coach. And so they change the coach,

bring new coaches in, and the personnel people stay. Look who stayed in Atlanta for many, many years. There's been no changes there. So I think it's just part of the collaborative nature of the NFL today. It is interesting, and I appreciate owners wanting to be more hands-on and them wanting their team and their culture to be one that is a lot of ideas. The more ideas, the better. And I'm a firm believer, and i think we all are in this particular program it's especially whenever you talk about a quarterback like when you're like well we got

two quarterbacks that we believe in it's like well then you got no quarterback you need one you need one person that is ultimately going to be making the decision and i think what a lot of these places potentially feared if you listen to it is they didn't think bill belichick's decision making would work in this era is that that is that you think why? Or do they think it's too much bullshit to deal with a new change in who's making the decision? Like, ultimately, what do you think adds into the whole thought because him not having a job 15 games away 15 games away for wins away from being the greatest of all time with eight jobs opening at one point? It's like, we're all pretty baffled. Do you think that's's what it is do you think there's a real fear that he can't win because if you could win

normally owners would do whatever wouldn't they well you would think so but that's not always the case i mean walsh told me in 1984 they're only competing against eight teams that are really trying to win that's when the league was 28 teams i'm not sure everybody's trying to win at that same level look if you spend you can't tell me that if you spend two hours with them and study football or talk about football whether you want to talk about philosophy offensively philosophy defensively philosophy in the kicking game how to build the team how do you want to work the draft salary cap if you don't if you don't spend two hours talking about all those things how do you know i mean washington put out a release that

they weren't interested in they weren't interested in. They weren't interested in. And I have nothing against Dan Quinn, but Washington chose to go with their collaborative effort of Adam Peters and Dan Quinn working together. And look, here's what I don't understand. This league, it's never been about the GM. And I've been one. It's not about the president. It's not about the GM. It's about the coach. And the coach has to lead the team. I worked for Al Davis. And nobody in this realm, including anyone, knows more football than Al Davis did.

And our biggest obstacle to win at the Raiders was every player thought they worked for Al. And they didn't think they worked for the coach. And that created a lot of dissension amongst the team. Well, I don't have to play that hard today. I don't have to do this today. And that became a problem. And so the NFL is not baseball. We are a sport that has to be led by the man who stands in front of you guys, 53 players, and they have to work for him. It does in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's a collaborative effort, but Tomlin, the buck stops with Tomlin. The same thing thing with Harbaugh so I think there's a lot of misconceptions this collaborative thing you know there's a great scene in the Sopranos where

they're talking about making Tony who's going to be the new boss at once Jackie April died and they said look we need a supreme commander we're not the Dave Clark five NFL ain't the Dave Clark five AJ Hawk it's not your question Your question for Lombo. Lombo, what about Vrabel? We don't even know who the Dave Clark Five is, but we'll go. No, hey, we do. Dave Clark. We ain't in that.

The other four. He's not like the boss. Not as good as the boss, though, Lombo. No, Supreme Commander. Speaking of Supreme Commander, the boss. Yeah, no, he lost his mom. He lost his mom, unfortunately. But we, yeah. Rest in peace. I mean, let's have a moment of. He lost his mom, unfortunately. Rest in peace.

I mean, let's have a moment of silence. There we go, yes. Play the wish. Moments pass. Rest in peace to his commander's mom. By the way. All right, AJ, what do you got for me? Mamba, what about Braves?

We all assume Mike Brable would probably get a job as well. What do you think was going on with him, and what do you think the future looks like for him as far as coaching the NFL? I don't know how Mike Braybill doesn't have a job. I don't know how he lost his job. I'm having a hard time understanding that. Forget about how he didn't have a job. I think, to me, Mike Braybill's as good a coach as anybody in the league.

I mean, the fact that he played Kansas City in a game where it went to overtime and his quarterback and they didn't get a first down past the second quarter and he got the game into overtime that's that that tape should be forever watched I mean it's unbelievable he gets his team ready it's not his fault that they missed on a lot of first round draft picks they were collaborative in Tennessee John Robinson had all the say in the terms of the personnel. He hired Mike. They were collaborative there. They just missed on some players, right? They hit on some guys down the road and they missed on some. And this was a tough year. They're trying to make Will Levis a young player. I don't understand it. I don't know how you could spend time around Mike Braybill and not think that this guy is a leader of men and is going to make our team better.

You don't even interview him. I mean, you don't even bring him in for an interview. I mean, Washington didn't even, I mean, people think they talk to Belichick. It was all back channel stuff. I mean, there was never any interest in there. There was never any interest. Hold on. There was a story that they were interested.

They did talk. And then people told us that's not true. And then now you're saying. There was never any interest in that program there i mean i'm sure because washington has so many different people involved in terms of the minority ownership i'm sure people were like don't we want to talk to this guy it only makes sense it's only common sense we should right but they chose to go with their structure so to me it's the same thing with Vrabel like I don't understand it I mean Carolina has now look Dave Canales I'm sure he's a great coach he'll be great but why wouldn't you why wouldn't you just go you just got the greatest gift of all time

Tennessee just gave you a gift Wallace used to say this all the time the NFL gives you every opportunity to get better you just got to take advantage of it Vrabel being available was wild still available right now oh yeah what do you think he and Bill do what do you think he and better. You just got to take advantage of it. Vrabel being available was wild. Still available right now. What do you think he and Bill do? What do you think he and Bill do next season? Well, I don't know what Mike will do. I know what Bill will do. Bill will act as if he's still working. I mean, Bill will study the draft. He's already studied the draft. That's what he does during the season. During the season, Bill takes the Thursday and the Friday of the week getting ready to play the game and works on college staff because he knows eventually that's going to come up and then saturday he works

on college and pro so i'm sure he's got his mac you know we used to go to a staff meeting and he bring out the mac notebook you were in for a long meeting you said oh we better buckle it up here you know it's like this is going to be a long one and so i'm sure he's got that mac and he's watching college tape and he's grading it because he knows that some somebody is going to come to their senses next year and say, I need a really good coach who's a proven winner. And he's going to be ready. That's just how he operates. He's not going to he doesn't have any hobbies and sense of of all. I'm just going to go out and play 24 rounds of golf every day.

He's going to go work on football. I would assume Brable would do the same thing. 24 rounds of golf every day. He's going to go work on football. I would assume Brable would do the same thing. It actually ends up being a blessing for you because you get a chance to take a different perspective over what's going on in the league. Bill Belichick's on that boat like two days straight, three days straight. Get me off his boat. What are we even? You know, he tried to do something else. And then obviously all roads lead back to exactly what you have been doing for the last 50 years how many seasons straight he has been in the nfl the last time or his first job excuse me was 1975 with the

baltimore colts which is how many years this would be the first year in 50 years that bill belichick isn't on his staff in the nfl so yeah we we would assume that he's pretty uh regimented in the entire schedule it's nice to hear that, though. I mean, like, look, when I was there, the draft would end on Saturday. On Monday, he would say, okay, let's start working on next year's draft. And so then we would start working on next year's draft. And great players off the tape.

And we would start in a conference. Let's say we started in the Pac-12 when it existed. And then you would spend four weeks, three weeks going through. You write up all those players, and then you go to the Big Ten. You write up all those, and then you wait, and then you go on vacation. You work on – and then you get all the conferences done until the Southeast, and then you work on that. And then when you come back from your summer vacation,

you've got 400 or 500 guys written up that you kind of know the draft as you get ready to go into the college season. That's what you have to do. I mean, that's, that's kind of what we've always done. And so that work ethic is not going to change. Where's he doing at his house with like Nike now? Or what do you think it looks like? Probably. I'm sure he's got some setup, you know, I don't know. I I'm sure he's got it set up just like we all do. We can all turn around here and watch tape. You know, the NFL is more than happy to sell their tape at 9.99 a month whatever the hell it is and so you can watch every game you want to watch you know you know and so you don't even have the youtube scout you can watch all the games and so it's just a way to get better and i'm sure brable will do

the same thing you know because there's so many projects you want to work on like i really want to study what this team does defensively i really want to study what this team does defensively. I really want to study what this team does offensively. And when you're a head coach and you're in the middle of so many things, it's hard to do that. But now you have some time. Bill Belichick at the age of 72 is going to be fresher and all the way back and 15 wins away from being the all-time winningest coach

in the history of the NFL. Going to have to wait a year, I guess, which nobody could have expected. Ty, has a question for you, Lambeau. Yeah, Lambeau, going back to Washington, how do you think they landed on Dan Quinn? I understand the collaborative effort and all that kind of stuff, but they had the first interview with him, and then they let him out of the building,

and then all the reports came out about, hey, it's a done deal. Ben Johnson is going to be their next head coach. And then whether it was true or not, Schefter reported, Schefter reported they may have been spooked by the fact of his asking price. But it doesn't necessarily seem like Dan Quinn was their number one target, and he just ended up being the guy they selected. How do you think they wound up hiring him? And is this going to be successful, or is this going to be the type of thing where in two years Washington's going to be looking for another head coach and we're going to be doing the same thing all over again?

Well, I think this was – I think Schefter reported yesterday that they received – this is according to them – they received more positive texts about Dan Quinn than any other candidate from other people. The wisdom of the crowd you know other people but that doesn't you know that's to me kind of meaningless because you know what are you looking for in a coach it isn't what they think of what do we want who do we want to become and I think what they wanted to become fits with Dan and Dan Quinn is they

want to be collaborative they want everybody in the building to be friendly look let's be clear here Eric Biennemi probably would have been the head coach of the Washington team during the season when they were collapsing, except that Bien-Ami was too rough on the players. Remember this summer? Ron Rivera said he was too hard. We've got to calm things down. Well, they weren't going to make him the head coach

after he ruffled too many feathers. He coached hard. If you know Bien-Ami, Bien-Ami coaches hard. He's demanding. He has that word about accountability, which a lot of teams don't. Brady talked about it on your show. Accountability. Who wants it? Who wants to have it? And people want it, but they want to do it in a softer way. They want to do it in a more gentler way. And I think that ultimately that's what led them to quit is they want accountability, but they want to be nice about it. And Dan is a wonderful person. He is from the Pete Carroll School of Positivity, right, which is great. He was successful with it in Seattle, and he was

there. But I think at times, you have to be a little bit more, okay, here's what we're going to do. You got to be that supreme commander. And again, if y'all want to go to Dairy Queen after the game, that's great. It's fine. But you're paid to win, right? You're paid to win a Super Bowl. You're going to ruffle some feathers. And the players have to feel that way. Why did Dick Fangio leave Miami?

We heard the reports out of Miami. Well, Dick ruffled too many feathers. Accountability. It's never going out of style. Just I'm going to tell you that right now. You want to win a Super Bowl? You want to win a championship? Accountability is the corner never going out of style. I'm going to tell you that right now. You want to win a Super Bowl? You want to win a championship? Accountability is the cornerstone of your team.

But how you get there, now that's how people want to have a debate with you. Hey, like Jordan said, yeah, you can call me an asshole or whatever, but you ain't never win nothing. Isn't that basically what he said in the last dance or whatever? Because of people talking about how demanding and commanding he was of his teammates and everything and now there's other stories obviously sure off the court and out of practice where some people might say that as well but i think a lot of people say like this guy was an asshole uh as a teammate or whatever and those people that are saying that are normally not the success you know what i mean no not the same thing

with i assume the way bill and tom operated payton the way payton operated i guess if you wanted to view some things when he starts a practice over and he's not the coach and he redoes something he could be like this guy's an asshole or he could say damn this guy really wants this to be done perfectly before we move along it's just levels to this shit lambo it and nobody thinks about andy reed being this way because andy reed has a beautiful mustache beautiful loves hamburgers cheeseburgers jovial and he's upbeat and everybody likes him but i mean practice uniforms everything we are it's like there's no wonder why success has followed him everywhere you just got to be able

and willing to execute it. And I think a lot of people are scared to death to do that. Speaking of, Tone Diggs has a question for you. Yeah, Lombo, you kind of laid out everything that a head coach, and what you laid out isn't even close to everything that a head coach has to deal with when you were talking about Belichick there. And then now there's two head coaches who are now going to be OCs in Cliff and Artie, who just got recently hired.

How do you feel about them getting everything taken off their plate as far as head coach is concerned and just going back to OCs and how they will fare in their respective cities? Well, I think Arthur Smith is perfect for Pittsburgh because Arthur Smith can run the football. He can design runs as well as anybody, and his whole game is play-action pass runs. You know, Atlanta's personnel last year wasn't –

they had no explosive players on their team. They couldn't make explosive plays, and they really didn't have an identity because they were trying to get the ball to pitch, trying to get the ball to London. Oh, we got Bijan, but we got Algier. I mean, Algier two years ago averaged, I think, 5-1 a carry. And then they drafted a running back to replace him. I mean, Robinson's a great player, but I think he'll do a really good job.

He's going to have better skill in Pittsburgh than he had in Atlanta, even though Atlanta was drafting receivers and skill players in the first round three years in a row. So he'll run the ball. He'll make the offensive line tougher. There'll be some more physicality. Tomlin's personality is going to be involved. But it's a better job than being a head coach because you don't have to worry about all the other stuff.

You can be, and if your head coach has your back and he's going to set the tone like Campbell does for Ben Johnson, right? That's the perfect combination. You've got a coach who's going to be demanding, and then you can play off of it. And I think that'll work. Cliff, it's going to be, you know, it's going to come down to they need to get a quarterback,

obviously, in Las Vegas. I don't think that's going to be the one. I want to go back to Andy for a second. I think what people don't appreciate about Andy, A, he's really a tough guy. That's one. Two, Andy is able to change his team. So after that Christmas Day fiasco where, you know, they gave up the two

touchdowns on the interception and the fumble, and they got embarrassed. I mean, the Raiders had one completion after the first quarter, and they went home and they had to sit there and really try to celebrate Christmas after that horrible loss. Reed changed. Reed went back in the office, and credit Mahomes and credit Reed, because they changed who they are offensively. They said, you know what? We can't win this way. We can't win holding the football. We can't win trying to make explosive plays.

So they went back. In the last four games, when you count the three playoffs and you count that game, you know, Pacheco's run count has gone from 14 carries a game up to 21. Now, nobody wants to call runs. Andy Reed hates runs. But what he hates more than calling runs is losing, is losing. And so he's changed his whole team in terms of we're going to avoid losing. We're going to play to our strengths, which is Kelsey, Pacheco, and

Mahomes. And we're going to work some rice in here. And we're going to let our defense, which has only given up 14 points over the last four games, win games for us. We're not going to make mistakes. We've only had three penalties in that game. And we're going to let the other team lose. And they've been good. And that takes a great coach to do that. That takes somebody with experience who can understand how to solve the problem in the season. Right?

That's the hard thing to do is how do we solve the problem in the season? And you've got Mahomes, who is the ultimate buy-in player. You've got to give that. That's what hard thing to do is how do we solve the problem in the season? And he got Mahomes, who is the ultimate buy-in player. You got to give that. That's what makes great teams. Well, lack of an ego, too. Instead of just continuing to bang the same drum and being like, this is what we got to do, to be like, this ain't the team we are this year.

Let's completely change it. And to your point about Patrick Mahomes, buy-in, it's like he even chatted after the last game, I think, about halfway through the year, he had to start realizing what it was like to play with an incredible defense like as long as I don't turn the ball over and we play smart here like we're going to win this game because of how stacked we are on the defense side of the ball and how the run game is like that doesn't get talked about as a good trait for a quarterback to have like Tom Brady had for all those years in New England

it's like Patrick Mahomes is the next years in New England. It's like Patrick Mahomes is the next one. It's fantastic. And he's pairing with Andy Reid, seemingly perfect. This is the best team they've had, I think. What do you think about the defensive side and all of it? Well, it is. And here's what they're doing. They're playing complimentary football. I mean, that's ultimately what the game is all about. That's what, you know, we can talk all this collaboration we want. We can talk about everything that comes into it you've got to have somebody who can bring all three things together and it's the game and you've got to have players that will buy in and be demanding i mean look you know kyle shanahan's demanding too you know hargrave made the comment about his practices

in san francisco compared to philly you know You've got to be able to do that. Practice execution will become game reality. And what's improved more than anything on the Kansas City Chiefs? Their offensive line. We don't even talk about Taylor lining up in the backfield anymore. They're coming off the ball. They're blocking people. Mahomes has been sacked two times.

Now he's made plays with his feet. But they changed their identity after these last four games. And Reid deserves a ton of credit. Mahomes, the whole team. The Chiefs are still the Chiefs, AJ. The Chiefs are still the Chiefs. Yeah, they are. How much collaboration is good, though? I assume at some point you got to take the input and you want to hear from other people. But like, how do you know when you cross the line and you're listening to too many people? Oh, I think it's a big problem, you know, and especially if you listen to people that aren't qualified to tell you, I think a lot of it comes down to the information. When I, when I, when I was working for Walsh, I thought to myself, this man is incapable of making a bad decision. The only thing that could be bad is if I give

them bad information. And that to me is what the challenge is for everybody in the organization. If you have the mindset that the decision maker will make great decision if you give them the right information, then you're going places. I think Kyle Shanahan's the same way. I think Andy Reid, you know, Brett Beach went to him and said, hey, here's my homes. I saw this kid. I love this kid as a sophomore. And he listened. But the person giving you the information has to come with enough experience, enough knowledge, and enough information to back it up. It just can't be fly by night. Oh, I like that guy. Or it just can't be random. And so I think you need collaboration. But at some point, you can't get overloaded with information. You've got to be able to say, OK, here's who we are. Steve Jobs used to walk around every office at Apple and walk in there and say, do you know who we are? Do you know what we do? And made people understand what they did.

That's part of football. And when you have people that don't understand that, they get differently aligned. And, you know, we all want to win. Yeah, we all want to win. But do you know how we're going to win how are we going to win that's the key in every business isn't it you know and if you have a good decision maker feed the beast feed the beast because there's not a lot of those out there we appreciate you joining us every single week will we see you out in vegas I will be right there. I will be out there. Absolutely. We can't wait to chat with you in person.

Thanks, guys. Hey, you look thinner this year. Yeah, I look good. Yeah, I'm trying. You know, I'm trying. I try to stay away from it. You know, let's get older. I got a two-year-old granddaughter.

I got to stay alive this year and get married. I'm not going anywhere. I got to get in shape. We love that. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi. Hey, Lombo. Thank you, L Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi. Yeah! Thank you, Lombo. I appreciate Lombo every time he comes on.

Now, Walsh, Al Davis story. You know, he's been around the NFL forever and ever. Him talking about the Belichick situation is hilarious. Everybody wants to be collaborative. They've won 21 games in three years. Maybe not be collaborative with that particular group of people. he said from the jump i'm one of the closest friends of this guy yeah so take that as you may but it is fascinating i'm sure from him watching as a guy who studies leadership and that's his big business almost it's like how you

go about running things watching these situations kind of unfold with belichick just being like this is not this is dumb this is the nfl this is not how this is supposed to go and obviously he's emotionally invested as well and then hear him talking about how like you know the commander's got a bunch of texts about how great dang quinn is and i think he used the term mob advice which is comedy but like is that really a thing like isn't that the situations we talk about where there's too many people kind of voicing their opinion if you're receiving texts and that is like altering your opinion on someone, unless they're from, you know, people like Jerry Jones and like very, very high up people have been in the NFL forever.

But it's surprising to hear that texts were the reason that got Dan Quinn over the hump in Washington. Potentially from Lamar's mind. In a way, he's been talking about Tepper. Tepper's listening to too many people. That's what he says. Tepper's listening to too many. He's been saying that for a while. He's been saying that for a while.

He's been saying that for a long time. Did you see what Tepper said today, though? He said, I'm in the background. Yeah. This was at the Dan Morgan Canalis press conference. I think it was yesterday. Tepper was there, and they had a camera on. They're like, we'd like to ask you some questions.

He's like, no, this is not my day. I'm in the background right now. It's like, did Dan Morgan stare at the audience? Use those crazy eyes. Those eyes are the scariest eyes I've ever seen. Gaze, right? Those were crazy. Those are crazy goofy eyes.

Googly. Those are different. Those are locked in. I'm going to fucking rip your face off if you say something that is wrong about football. Joining us now is a man who has a very similar look and similar outlook on football. Joining us, senior NFL insider for the NFL Network, ladies and gentlemen, host of the weekly wrap-up with Rap Sheet and Friends, us being the friends, he being Rap Sheet,

known meat smoker Ian Rappaport. Yeah, bro. What's up? Hey, we just talked to Lombardi about Belichick not getting hired anywhere, and we laid out the potential reasons on why some teams might not have hired him, whether they think, yeah, the light is just obnoxious. Gross. This basement sucks.

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You got to wipe it off with your T-shirt. That's what it is. Yeah, I think it's a little. There's a little. Hang on. He has one of those. I got one of these. Oh, wow.

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Hair looks good. Hair does look phenomenal. I got a haircut, actually. We're going into a big stretch now. We got Super Bowl. We got Combine. And then we got free agency. A lot of air time.

This needs to be tight. That a baby. That's why you're a rap sheet. Yep. We talked about the Bill Belichick situation there with one of Bill Belichick's friends, Michael Lombardi, and he's basically just saying an ineptitude of leadership in different places.

They want to do collaborations, and then the people that want to collab, though, are people that haven't had success. So, like, it's going to be hard for Bill and Vrabes to potentially tell them, yeah, let's collab, even though we haven't figured out a lot better, we think, in our minds than you. Then there was also the thought that they would have to fire people

because Bill Belichick would come in. Then there was a narrative like, Bill can't relate to this generation of football players. From the conversations you've had, why do you think Bill Belichick was left jobless? And what do you think the future holds for him and Vrabel as well in the conversation? All right.

Let me kind of get to the future part first, right? Because you have Bill Belichick who is going to be out, right? You have Mike Vrabel who's going to be out. And you're going to have some teams that are going to go into the season with, you know, I wouldn't say lame duck status, but certainly coaches where they're in a precarious position. Nick Sirianni and Mike McCarthy, right? Cowboys-Eagles. So you're going to have Belichick there, you're going to have Rabel there,

two of the more accomplished coaches that are ever going to be out, right? So you have that situation, and I think the whole prism of how you view the Eagles and Cowboys is going to be based on knowing those guys are waiting. I think had the Eagles moved on from Sirianni, which I didn't think they were going to do, but it was certainly a big discussion point. Had the Cowboys done so for McCarthy, the speculation would have centered around Belichick.

I think that would continue. I certainly think that's something that will continue. As far as why they didn't get jobs, let's focus on Belichick, why he didn't get jobs. I don't know that people would have had to be fired, but let's say he was the Falcons head coach. He has thrived in a system in New England that is built around him being the center, right? Him having final say, him arranging the personnel department kind of as he sees fit, right? And if he went to Atlanta, he would want to do it the same way because that's the way

he's had success. So yeah, I would say if he had gone to Atlanta, you'd wonder what would that mean for Terry Fano, who has done a nice job in Atlanta. You'd wonder what would that mean for Rich McKay, who's now kind of CEO of everything else, kind of stepped away from football. There would have had to be some changes. So it would have taken a lot to hire Bill Belichick. I would probably say he is the greatest coach of all time, so somebody should have hired him. I have a hard time understanding how this all happened. Even if I take a look at each individual hire and I say,

that makes sense, that makes sense, that makes sense, I'm still curious. Okay, so we'll put it on the ticker. Rapport says he's probably the greatest coach of all time. Probably the greatest coach of all time. That's a big deal. That is a big ticker. Rapport says he's probably the greatest coach of all time. Nice. Probably the greatest coach of all time. That's a big deal. That is a big deal because Ian Rapport said it. So we'll make sure that people know. Can I edit to definitely?

Definitely, definitely? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Too late. Maybe we'll do like a dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. He would later say. Definitely. Definitely.

We'll put the edit sign. Like in X, when you edit a tweet, you got to put the edit sign like in X when you edit a tweet you got to put the edit sign. Oh, I hate that. But it's good though because then you can go see what somebody messed up because it shows

the other draft right under it which I appreciate. Have you, how many times have you got community noted? Have I got what? Community noted. You know what it is.

How many times have you been so wrong that the platform actually says got to correct this doofus right here um i would say the only time i've ever been stupidly wrong is when i'll say like this team is hiring this coach or something like that and then i just screw up and it's like the wrong team and then i'll go in so fast because it's so embarrassing and then they won't even have

a chance to community notice. They will have to just... I will be the one noting it. You'll be the one editing it within the 30 minutes because you're already on top of it. Within the 30 seconds. I can't do it fast enough. Then you go on your Instagram story and you'll be like,

what's the coolest filter? Hey, I just tweeted this news. You're really hip. You're really hip inside. I would agree with that. I appreciate that. Go ahead, AJ. Ian, I don't know if this has ever been done, but you mentioned some possible lame duck coaches. Is there any

chance you think an owner might get a burr up his butt, as people might say back in the day, and they decided, I don't know what that means, actually, but I used to hear adults say that when you really wanted something. When you really wanted something, like, hey, I really want to get this thing or whatever, and they're relentless

to go get that. What if one of these teams fires a coach midseason? Would they bring in like a Belichick or Rabel midseason instead of hiring from within an interim guy? Has that ever happened? Jeff Saturday. The Jeff Saturday coaching tenure, which I certainly enjoyed and appreciated.

Watch your tone. No, I love Jeff Saturday. tenure Which I certainly enjoyed and appreciated Watch your tone No, no, I love Jeff Saturday I actually got to know him a little bit last year During the coaching years I do not think he was a good head coach But I do think he is an awesome guy And if he was someone who would be interested in having a beer At some point I would like to have a beer with him

Because that seems like that would be fun In order AJ to do that They'd have to go through the process, right? So they'd have to interview two minorities who are not in the building. They would have to kind of go through a coaching search during the season. I don't believe there's any precedent. Well, I mean, it's the greatest coach of all time, as I said before. No, you said probably first, and then you undefined. Edit, edit button, edit button.

You caught it within 45 seconds. So theoretically they could do it. But that is going to be really interesting next year. Like Belichick, he's older this year. He's going to be a year older next year. Really? But I would still say based on that part I know, but based on the product he put on the field this year,

and I don't mean the wins and losses. They were bad. But the players looked like they played so hard. And they looked like they played well, especially second half of the year. They didn't have a lot of talent. But he looked like he got them playing pretty well. I would think he's got a lot to give. Right?

And so you talk about relating to players. Yes, he's older. But what Bill Belichick does to me still works incredibly well, and I think he's going to be out this year, and I think somebody will hire him next year. I'm excited to see it. The fact that he's going to be a year older next year is crazy, though. It doesn't help him.

That is crazy. Well, it doesn't help him. The whole year. He'll be a whole year old. It's crazy. Like six months from now, he'll be six months older. That's bad. That's insane. Tough for months from now, he'll be six months older. That's bad. That's insane.

Tough for business. What can he do? Well, he's 72 years old then because I think his birthday's what? April, they said? April 16th. April 16th is his birthday. So he's still studying as if he's a head coach and a GM right now, allegedly, if you listen to what Lombardi's saying. So that's going to keep him young.

Hopefully he'll do some TV. We'll learn a little bit more about him and everything like that. Here's kind of the other thing that I wonder, and I have not talked to Bill Belichick in a while, like since this all happened, but here's what I kind of wonder. So like when coaches are out, right? Like nobody wants to

leave. So every coach who's out, and there's going to be some, like we talked about, some really well-known ones, they'll want to hang on, right? As much as they want to get back at the game and a lot of them are nervous what's going to happen to me if i step away but what ends up happening a lot of times is they kind of reintroduce themselves to their families they kind of hang out they decide they really really like it and they say you know what maybe i'm kind of good Adam Gase has not reappeared in the NFL since he got fired from the Jets. And I know he gets calls.

And I don't know if he'll ever be a coach again. And based on the amount of money he made, that's just me. Because right now he's probably on a golf course. He's probably got a single-digit handicap right now, much better than me, crushing it on a golf course, loving his family. And he should never come back. And I wonder for Bill Belichick, when he's out, does he still maintain all of this? That is what I want.

Yeah, Mike McCarthy, remember, he had the whole coach's office down in the basement. And obviously we had that Gase photo ready because Dan Morgan, the way he looked the other day at his press conference was pretty intense. Pretty intense. His press conference was pretty intense. Pretty intense. So Dan Morgan, Canales, obviously all the head coaching gigs. Cliff Kingsbury, offense coordinator now for the Raiders. I believe there's a defense coordinator. I like that hire.

Yeah, I think we all pretty much like it. Who's going to be the quarterback? Who knows? But we'll see. We assume it's going to work. Antonio Pierce, Cliff Kingsbury sounds like a cool crew for people to want to go play against. Jim Harbaugh, legendary. That AFC West is absurd.

What is some news that's kind of cooking here as we swing into Super Bowl week? Because it feels like we almost have everything at this point. There really isn't anything. Yeah, I mean, a couple of the key hires, right? So you got who's going to be the offensive coordinator for the Seahawks? Who's going to be the offensive coordinator for the Seahawks? Who's going to be the offensive coordinator for the Commanders? And the fact that the Chip Kelly thing is very interesting to me, right? Like he interviewed twice kind of like secretly for the Raiders.

They chose Cliff Kingsbury over him, which I thought was interesting. And again, I like the hire, so that makes sense. But Dan Quinn has talked about him potentially joining his staff. That'll be interesting to see if that happens. And then, you know, Washington, I know, has some interest in Jeff Grubb, who's the Alabama offensive coordinator there. We'll see if that ends up happening. Seattle, right?

Seattle. State of Washington. Seattle, what'd I say? You said Washington. Well, it is in – yeah, it's confusing. It's in Washington, but Seattle is what it is. Yeah, we all know that, yeah. Appreciate it.

But otherwise, like, you got through the coaching stuff, and it's kind of like we'll get to Vegas for Super Bowl, and it's like we'll turn our attention to the players again. And there's so many – there's so much quarterback, like, instability. Is there a draft trade? Does someone trade up? Like, there's a lot of really fun stuff that's coming now that we've kind of about to turn the page on the coaching

stuff. Rap you're the greatest dude we did miss you this year I missed you guys as you're being daytime host you're being daytime host way to go nah I missed you guys it was tough I'd see the show sometimes in my own house

they would be watching it without me, which is offensive, but I get it. Yeah, because your show's on at the same time. I can certainly see how that could be. How about this? Offensive. So Jude, so both of my boys have Apple Watches now, right? So we can keep track of them so they don't run away. Smart.

And Jude gets alerts on his Apple Watch, and he goes, I get so many notifications. I'm like, from what? He goes, well, I subscribe to the Pat McAfee Show on YouTube. And so I get a lot of notifications. I'm like, did you actually? Atta baby Jude!

Atta baby Jude! Without my guidance, this is what happened. Well, hey, the guidance is good, you know, because tell Jude and Max that the person that's getting the notifications from, we stood on a table for their dad to be able to join another network. And then their dad just immediately said, that's funny. Turn around. Let me stab you.

Don't care. That's what happened. Wait, I thought we're not allowed. We can say that here? Who's we, son of a bitch? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? But I thought we're not. But I thought we're not allowed. We can say that here? Third hour. You son of a bitch. You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

Oh, you just watch your mouth. You watch the camera there. No, third hour, YouTube ESPN+. First two hours, we're on ESPN. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we can say whatever we want. I'm still not going to get there, but yeah. One day.

Oh, maybe, though. Going into Super Bowl next week, huh? You got your hair cut? Let loose a little bit? Have a couple cocktails? I mean, it is a very solid party situation we got going on in Vegas. I'm excited. I'm sure I'll see you out on the circuit, right?

So what do you do? So Super Bowl is like, I mean, obviously it's a Super Bowl, but for you, the way the Super Bowl is, events, boozing, handshaking, everybody's there. Like, this is... Vegas. The Rap Bowl. This way the Super Bowl is, events, boozing, handshaking, everybody's there. Like this is. Vegas. The Rap Bowl. This is the Rap Bowl.

Yeah, this is rap sheets time. Yeah. I mean, now there's a couple of them, right? We got Combine coming up. That's really the time. So you get a little, like I was in Mobile the last couple days. There was a little bit of that there, a little handshake, a little like, can I get you something, you know?

What's your drinking choice this year? Because last year it was just anything, right? Yeah, and then the year before it was Jaeger. You finished a couple bottles of Jaeger. Goldschlager. Yeah, and then I think Farber. Oh, Goldschlager. I used to love Goldschlager when I was 21.

When I was 21, that's when I used to drink it. Good call there. Remember back when you were on the crew team, they were all roided out of your mind. When I was 21. Yeah, big bad rap. Get the Goldschlager. I need Goldschlager if you want me to crew today.

Come on, freshman. What did I tell you? Pull. Pull. Schlag. It's got flakes of gold in it. Yeah, that's what they say. That's what they say.'s what they say pretty expensive

i've never actually tested it um i would say just beer casual beer out of this you know what i was thinking about there we go that is the man we're talking to right now in the hat backwards who is that not giamatti that is the man we were talking that is ian rapaport right there yes yes you're thinking to yourself no way no what yes that's it And that's Goldschlager slamming Ian Rappaport right there. As soon as this photo was done, he actually yelled at the team, the faster we go, the faster we get some Goldschlager. Yeah! That's what was happening there.

Well, it was a lightweight sport, and so you had weigh-ins, so you didn't want to drink a lot of beer because that would really weigh you down. Really? The hard stuff would be more. Did you have to stay under a certain weight? Did each guy have a weight you had weigh-ins. So you didn't want to drink a lot of beer because that would really weigh you down. Really? The hard stuff would be more efficient. Did you have to stay under a certain weight? Did each guy have a weight you had to stay under? So the boat had to average a certain weight. And if you were, like, better, stronger, basically, you could be a little heavier.

And if you were not as good, me, you would have to be a little lighter. Also, I'm not very tall, so you'd have to be a little lighter. So everyone sort of had to be at their weight. You're tall. So why were you roided out of your mind? You looked like you weighed 240 there. No, I was like 155.

That guy behind you weighed 95? Yeah. Your head weighs 80 pounds there. You know, the camera does some tricks, which I support. Also, this is when he started beefing up because he started smoking meat this year in Columbia. Oh, yeah. He became one of the most efficient meat smokers in town.

I saw that. You know what I was thinking of today? A lot of protein. You know what I was thinking of today? You guys saw the story about Teddy Bridgewater, right? Which one? The Teddy Bridgewater is going to be high school coach of his alma mater. That's sweet.

See this? No, I didn't see this. It's the gig that he was like born to have me. He actually was secretly coaching high school while he was with the dolphins. Cause he just, he was like a volunteer for Teddy Bridgewater is the best.

Anyway, you were talking about, you know, you go to the Superbowl, you see people like, Hey, can I get you a drink? So I was at a steakhouse in Miami when the Super Bowl was there a couple years ago.

I run into Bridgewater, comes over, says hello, kind of daps it up because we're obviously great friends. Dap it up. So I'm like, hey, can I get you a drink, whatever? And he's like, well, we'll see. And he kind of goes to his table. So I sent a text to someone who knows him well. And I'm like, does Teddy drink? He's like, actually, no.

So I couldn't buy him a drink. So instead, I sent shrimp cocktail to his table. Oh, nice. You always work an angle. You know, because Teddy walks over. He goes, what's up, bro? You know? Yeah, sure.

Well, I'm not like on the ground. Well, you're sitting down. You're sitting down. Yeah, I'm like one of those chairs. I wouldn't have expected that. Like a juicy place. Like, you know, when you're like under the ground. Well, you're sitting down. You're sitting down. Yeah, I'm like one of those characters going to a juicy place. Like, you know, when you're like under the table. That's not me. Normal grill. We can't wait to see you next week, bub.

We cannot wait to see you next week. We're excited for this run you're about to go on. And have a phenomenal weekend. What do you got cooking? When are you going to Vegas? AJ said today. Tomorrow. When are you trying to get out?

Going Sunday morning. So be there. Got some good restaurants cooking. I won't be doing anything myself, but really good people will be cooking for me and I'm going to eat so much. It's going to be great. Are you going to head to all those events? You're heading to all those parties. You're heading to all of them. I'll go to some of the parties.

You love those. You're the one that we talk about whenever we walk in. Yeah. No, my biggest issue is that Saturday You love those. You're the one that we talk about whenever we walk in. Yeah. Hey, how are you? No, my biggest issue is that Saturday night we have to get up at like 3 in the morning because we have a nine-hour pregame show, so I'm always out on Saturday night parties. You stay up all night. Don't be an idiot.

Oh, it's more rap. Columbia rap. Once a year. Good, actually. Then my eyes will look bad now. Good night's sleep. Game day. You're right. We appreciate the hell out of you, ladies and gentlemen. Ian Rapp.

Ian Rapp. Just the same old Rapps. It hasn't changed a bit. It caught me by surprise with the zoom out. I didn't know why they were zoomed out and they're showing full body. And then you went down for the dab. It got me. I wasn't expecting that.

Remember when we saw Rapp for the dab. It got me. I wasn't expecting that. Remember when we saw Rap for the first time? Oh, yeah. Holy shit. We had built up a pretty good relationship with Rapaport over the years. Love Rapaport. For the same reason you all probably have fallen in love with him over the last few weeks if you did not know him before he started popping in here the last few weeks.

He is just the best. Just unflappable confidence. Always Rap. Just whatever. Of course, yeah. Bing, boom, boom. last few weeks he is just the best just unflappable confidence always rap just whatever of course yeah uh bing boom boom i know this person bang pow no you don't boom okay who cares keep it moving like he's just he is a awesome individual the first time he came to our office at a combine i remember us all going whoa no way are you? Where's the rest of you? It's aging. It was unbelievable.

No, he's not. How tall is he? 5'4". No. Come on now. 7. You're right, though. I thought we were doing good karma.

You're right. Let's get it out of us. That's what I'm saying. He was much taller. He was actually taller than I expected. Yeah, you're right. When I saw him, I was like, damn. Especially to our friend. Damn, you're huge. That's right. Wow, I didn't expect you

to be this big. He is absolutely jock. Yeah, jock. He's absolutely jock, and he's always on. I mean, like 24-7, always on. Has to be on his phone, obviously. Wife, fantastic. Max and Jude, shout out. Shout out. Shout out to Max and Jude. He doesn't swear on the show, though, which pisses me off because he's got the mouth of a sailor.

When he first came into the office that time, he dropped eight F-bombs in the first two minutes. See, I didn't even pick that one up. You did, though. Oh, yeah. You said, well, you're filtering all of a sudden. Yeah, I was like, are you swearing because you think that we just come in here and swear like a bunch of assholes? Or are you swearing because this is how you talk? Yeah, and you always got to get a good read on him.

Rap's the man. I can't wait to see him next week. I cannot wait to hear what news is breaking this weekend. He'll be in the middle of boozing pretty hard, trying to wheel and deal and get a new connector, a new source. And all of a sudden, something will break and he'll have to, whoa, immediately, anytime it is. 2 a.m., you get a text, you don't break it while you're going to someone else next time. He's been living that life for 20 years. Schefter's been doing it for like 35.

Man. It's crazy. That sources game, insider game. Did Jay Glazer start it? I think so. I think he potentially did. And then he said he retired from the day-to-day, right? I think that was kind of what he stepped away from.

Yeah, I mean, when you're the king. You have to find a successor. So these guys can play games. But they know anytime I come back. I am the fucking king. And I'll behead someone at the drop of a needle. If I have to. Although Vegas is my fucking city.

Let's just say Glaze is going to put on a show on the strip. I can't wait. I can't wait to see what Glaze does next week. Going into the weekend, we are incredibly proud and pumped for the fact that one of the friends and family of the program is launching his first single with the Universal Music label. Hey, guy got signed. Let's go. Guy got signed. That's a huge ordeal.

Obviously, he was a stud football player. We've known him for a long time. Off seasons, he is fantastic with us. The best. Ladies and gentlemen, Ferrari Kid debuted today. A rap song produced by this man, Adam Pacman Jones. Yeah! Adam Pacman!

How are you, man? You're down in Atlanta getting ready for the big release party tonight? Oh, yeah. I'm down here. Actually, we just got through racing cars right here at the Porsche. I don't know if you can see that. A couple 911s. We got to take out and tab the track.

Ready for tonight, though, baby. Ferrari kick. I'm excited. Hey, we're very pumped for you. Congratulations. A lot of hard work. Let's go, Pat. A lot of hard work has gotten to this point tonight.

So tonight you have a release party at Magic City. Shout out to you. Obviously, the wings are going to be fantastic. This song is going to be loved. What's next? What do we got? What do we got the next few weeks back? We're moving.

We got Grammys next. Moving. Then the next single is Standing on Business, S.O.B. What I stole a couple lines from you from but um yeah man excited really excited we got a show tonight we got another show next week um in tampa um it's been pretty good we're all incredibly proud of you go ahead aj pack are you uh do you get more done in 24 hours every like than anybody else on the planet when i follow you like watching the amount of things that you do

and the amount of work that you do, and then you're coaching 400 different practices, and then you're on a four-wheeler running with your kids on the street, and then you release a new single. You get so much done. Do you ever get tired? Do you ever sleep? I do get a little bit of sleep.

I don't get tired. I enjoy doing the things that I love doing. I love talking shit, which I'm pretty good at. I love being. I love talking shit, which I'm pretty good at. I love being on the show. I love having all of the kids functioning, trying to stay young with them. It's never a dull moment with me with all these kids. But I love it, AJ.

You got a whole bunch of them, too. Now, you got to stay young with these kids. Yeah, well, I mean. I don't do as much as you. I wish I had your energy. Yeah, because you're not only, only you got like what seven d1 athletes in your house right now seven i think six or seven d1 athletes that are all teenagers or younger so having to mentor and grow and do that but then also trying to hustle this rap career going you're in la you're in atlanta you're in miami then you're back in ohio walking those two dogs big dog that are fucking are fucking wolves. They're fucking wolves.

They're not dogs. And then you're working out. You're right. Hey, you're crushing it back. Like, legitimately watching it. Like, so much shit happening all at the same time. I assume tonight the vibes are going to be very high. How do you feel going in?

I feel good. The vibes are going to be all positive vibes, man. Nice little night. I think it's going to go crazy. I'm going to do four songs, so I performed pretty good. I already did the walkthrough earlier. So I'm excited. I'm excited.

You've never been in Magic City before, right? Never in your life? Well, never really performing, Pat. Like, soundcheck and all of this, this is kind of new from us doing the pod and us doing the show. It's a little different when you're up there. It's almost like the stand-up comedian, I would say, like what you did. Oh, yeah. Well, I can't do that well.

By yourself. You get a little lonely up there if you don't know what you're doing. Hey, Magic City, though, you're going to be all by yourself on this stage? I didn't know that was the case. Well, probably when I perform, I'll be by myself. A couple adult ballerinas? I will not be by myself i just thought about that yeah there's gonna be have a couple adult dancers around me yeah definitely would not be by myself yeah i think

you're gonna have somebody i think they're yeah i think we'll be sharing a stage a little bit that is the purpose yeah con man has a question for you yeah pac-man ferrari kit itself as a song where did it come from here do you have like 15 ferraris that we don't know about or what was the inspiration for the first single well ferrari is probably one of my favorite cars first of all and when i'm rapping in the song i'm really talking about my lifestyle like my lifestyle is a ferrari kit everything i do is the way i work out is standard. So when I was coming up with the song, I was more thinking about myself like, damn, this is a Ferrari kid.

Like, I'm a Ferrari. So that's how I came up with that. And more talking about my lifestyle, the family, myself, as in like what we built on. And like, if I could put it into a car, I would say Ferrari kid. So that's how I came up with that Ferrari. I don't think a lot of people know this. You have a studio in your house. Like, you've been put it into a car, I would say Ferrari kit. So that's how I came up with that Ferrari kit. I don't think a lot of people know this. You have a studio in your house. Like, you've been rapping a long time.

Why now for, I mean, I guess Universal signing you is a massive ordeal. But why do you think now is the time that it's all kind of coming together for you? I think because I can let loose now. Like, at first I couldn't let loose because of the shield I was up under. With the media being what it is now, I think everybody have a platform of freedom of speech of whatever they want to deliver. It's all about how you deliver it.

That's the reason why I think it's working now because I can really just go and talk about my whole past. I can talk about good things, bad things. That's what media is today. So I think that's why more now than back then. As somebody that has known you for a long time, I think it's very apparent,

if you ever meet Pac-Man, that you enjoy being around Pac-Man. You put yourself in some situations, I think we all have, that have certainly not been great, but every single time, I feel like you make a massive effort on bettering yourself and the people around you. We hope Ferrari Kid is a smashing success, and we hope tonight's a blast, brother. Smell me. All right, we'll see you soon back in here. On the back.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Pac-Man Jones. We're proud of you, buddy. Yeah, Pac. Love you Pac Awesome Magic City tonight People perform there a lot? People do yeah Every night

People hold a microphone and perform there every night I think there has been a few in the past If I do recall some music videos and such That's a big deal It's a big deal Friday night too like yeah he's performing there as a 17 year old uh well I guess 18 because I was a freshman at West Virginia we played in the sugar bowl in Atlanta and Pac-Man from Atlanta which is where Magic City is and I had known him through the year because he was working out with us in the summer even though he was in the NFL at the time so he had a lot of money

a lot of connections. So that Sugar Bowl week I potentially had been in that place with Pac-Man Jones. What a wild scene. Think of me as an 18 year old in Magic City with Pac-Man and Cheetah. This is the week of Sugar Bowl.

It's like yeah this is fucking hilarious. Just having the time of my life and it's been like you know a long time with me and pac-man knowing each other and he's certainly been through some i've certainly been through some and i think if you meet him like you have aj and the boys have like inside he means well oh yeah you know what i mean like oh yeah great he means well yeah i think everybody that's ever been a teammate of his is like thankful their teammates his friends the same thing just like we gotta eliminate the bad situations and i think he's continuing to do that going forward let alone what he's doing you know for slim's kid chris henry who passed away

and his family it's like the guy means well he has an exorbitant amount of talent yeah and energy and it's like here here we go. Now the music industry has signed him, and I can't wait to see what the next couple months, years are for him in there, in that world, AJ. I mean, Pac works his balls off. I was his teammate one year in Cincinnati, and he made the whole team better.

He honestly did. How he practiced, if he wanted to lock people up, he would just lock them up all day long and practice and then guys get mad and then everyone has to elevate their level and he yeah i was so impressed and i was it was so much fun to be pax teammate honestly it really was so obviously he did undercover dogs for us uh for the last half of the year he had two podcasts was building a rap career like this football season a lot going on he'll be back with us in the off season right here i cannot wait for that to be honest i cannot wait for that and uh i wish him nothing but the best tonight hell yeah should be a great one oh yeah it's gonna be a

great time the videos coming out of there are gonna be so upset yeah yeah i need a live stream it'll be so that'd be sweet oh yeah i just want to watch he is is. He's doing four songs, too, he said. Yeah, and he is right now. Oh, yeah, he's jacked. He was jacked. Maybe more jacked than ever. He's real excited for this because, like, getting signed by Universal, big deal. Yeah.

And this has been a goal of his, I think, probably since forever. He's like a kid, I would assume. So he's trying to hit it and get it as hard and as good as possible, you know, like trying to go all in on this. It's like, go get it. Build a studio in the house he's a worker i'll get like a picture like 1 32 a.m with like a little voice memo like there's some new shit i'm working on right now and i'll wake up like 6 a.m i'm like this motherfucker sent this three hours ago and then i'll get a text from him like an hour later i'm like bro when do you like people say i don't

sleep when do you actually he fucking doesn't i't sleep. When do you actually, he fucking doesn't. I don't think he does. I think he just goes forever. I think that's the Pac-Man energy. Those things he wants to do. It's pretty cool to see like he's, yeah, do what I want to do. I'm like, oh, it looks like a lot of fun actually. In the story of what he's doing with all the, there's literally seven D1 athletes in his house

right now. So cool. Shout out to Tish. Yeah. Shout out also. Shout out to Tish. How many people? his house right now. So cool. Shout out to Tish. Yeah. Shout out also. Shout out to Tish. Weapon. Alright. How many people? 20. 20, yeah. I haven't shot this in a while. No? Yeah.

I have not shot this in a while. I also haven't lifted all week. Yeah, 20. I'm pretty lazy. Well, end of the season. You're messing up your shot a little bit, so you just got to adjust how much you lift. So we think 20 people, $500 on this feel-good Friday? Hell yeah!

On this NFL quarterback Mount Rushmore week? What? On this Ferrari kit Friday? What? We think 20 people, $500? Yeah. Bucket. Oh, baby! Come on! Have a phenomenal weekend. NHL All-Star Game is tomorrow. Bucket. Oh, baby! Come on! I think so.

Have a phenomenal weekend. NHL All-Star Game is tomorrow. It'll be electrifying. The Pro Bowl on Sunday, it'll be fantastic. And then we'll be back on Monday, kicking off Super Bowl week. And then we'll be at Radio Row in Las Vegas on Wednesday. We are so incredibly lucky. Boys, you crushed it this week.

Way to go. Good week. AJ, great work this week, pal. Great work, guys. To all of our guests, thank you for the time. To all the people that watch, you're the greatest people on earth. We can't thank you enough. You should be one of the 20 people that wins $500.

All you got to do is repost this post, say something nice to somebody, and also put the easiest way to pay you. We will pick the winners on Wednesday. Unless we make a graphic that isn't right, then we will pick the winners on Thursday. And you will get your money as efficiently and quickly as the platforms will allow us. On the way out of here, let's remember that you can be a friend and tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. That's a real statement.

Even the people that appear to potentially be happy, why not send them a compliment? Just to reassure the fact that they're good people. We're all in this thing together. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Have a great weekend. Goodbye.