The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 108 - Nick Mangold, Danny Amendola, & Charlie Batch

Episode Date: September 20, 2019

Today's show features three of our favorite interviews from this week's radio show (Live on Westwood One from 10 AM - Noon EST, and live streamed on DAZN) with some incredible guests. First, Pat is joined by friend of the show, 7x Pro Bowler, 2x First Team All-Pro, former center for the New York Jets, Nick Mangold. They discuss his new venture into sports betting, the problem with all the horrendous refs in the NFL, his thoughts on the bill being passed in California to pay college athletes for the use of their image and likeness, what the difference between skinny and fat Rex Ryan is, and why he isn't in the Hall of Fame at Ohio State (2:20-23:10). Next, 2x Super Bowl Champion, and current WR for the Detroit Lions, Danny Amendola, joins for a chat with Pat. They discuss the differences between Tom Brady and some of the other quarterbacks he has played with, what he likes about the culture being built in Detroit, how all the fallout from his social media affected him, and whether or not it was fabricated, and he and Pat reminisce about a crazy night they had together in New Mexico (23:45-38:42). Lastly, 2x Super Bowl Champion, 12 year NFL veteran, former QB for the Detroit Lions and Pittsburgh Steelers, Charlie Batch, calls into the show. He and Pat discuss what his take is on Daniel Jones starting over Eli Manning, and how he was in a similar situation when he was in Detroit, and what the best way for Daniel Jones to have success will be. He also chats about the Big Ben situation with the Steelers and whether he thinks they'll be okay, and he dishes on what it was like being teammates with Barry Sanders, and whether or not his retirement was in any way similar to Andrew Luck's (41:39-1:01:07). Today's show is a good one, come and laugh with us. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You're alive, but are you living? Go live and see something live with SeatGeek. All right. Today's show is a compilation of some of our favorite moments from radio from this past week. our favorite moments from radio from this past week, starting with former Jet Center Nick Mangold, who we had on the show on Monday afternoon, live from Four World Trade Center. To be honest with you, I don't really remember what we talked about because that seems like it was about six months ago but i am very excited to relisten to it because i do remember laughing and i do remember being very entertained by nick mangled joining us now is a man with a big brain uh an all pro for the new york jets a man that i saw

at the new uh the nfl draft had a couple conversations with had had a couple beers with, and is one of the most entertaining and electric humans to ever grace this earth. Ladies and gentlemen, from Centerville, Ohio, Nick Mangle. Hey, how we doing? Nick, not as great as you.

Did you enjoy that intro? I wish it could have been better. I'm so sorry about that. I thought the second time around was perfect. Really nailed it. Let's talk about your Jets real quick. We could talk about everything you do. SportsBettingDimes.com, that is the company that you are currently promoting. What do you do with them?

How's life with Sports Betting Dimes? What do you think about the sports gambling world that we're about to bounce into? I'm breaking into it. I'm new to it. Jersey, it's legal here to be able to do it and so for me it's a tool that i can use uh it's all free you can check them out um you know they give you all the stats and all the different uh research that you don't want to do and they're a big help okay have you have you learned and this is when I gamble in the NFL, I feel as if I have an advantage because I feel like I don't read the X's and O's.

I read the Jimmy's and Joe's. If a guy comes off a bad game, I'm like, you know what? This guy, going back to his hometown, is going to want to prove a lot of people wrong, especially coming off a bad week. He wants to get rich. I think he's going to have a good game bang i'm a hanger hammer the over for this have you found that at all or are you just literally getting your feet wet right now i'm getting my feet wet and i thought i would be good i tried uh daily fantasy last year um and i thought

well that would be easy it's not um i just got worked over bad. So, uh, now, you know, obviously I've moved from the free side and threw some money at it. Uh, so this should go swimming. Well, I think the good thing is, is if you have a lot of money like yourself, you're supposed to just dump it all into gambling. So remember that as you continue this thing, let's talk about the jet, shall we? This was supposed to be the year. I mean, Gary Vee, Mike Greenberg, KFC from

Barstool, I believe yourself, everybody's excited. We got Lev Bell, we got this elusive running back who's like a magic man. Now you see me, now you don't. We got this quarterback that was 12 when he got to the league. Now he's grown into the year and bang, just one thing

after another. Now mononucleosis has attacked the New York Jets. What is going on and will the Jets ever not be cursed? I think at some point they will not be cursed. Unfortunately, right now it feels like we're cursed. To have your quarterback get mono is absurd. To have your starting linebacker who absolutely dominated for three quarters, get injured, and then out

is going to hurt. But at the same time, as you know, next man up. Next man up philosophy. If you've got to go out there and you've got to kick a field goal, you've got to do it. And so I think that's our hope, is that the next man up fills in to go out there and you got to kick a field goal you got to do it you know and uh so i i think

that's our hope is that the next man up fills in we get a week um of notice which you know it's better than guy getting hurt on the first play um but uh so i don't know it's going to be a wild time tonight i'll be there at metlife rocking some tailgate um out, doing a little pregame show. So it's going to be a wild time. Adam Gase got introduced to the New York Jets in one of the most memorable press conferences I think the world has ever seen. I mean, he was bright-eyed and bushy-tailed out there. Understatement of the year, what I just said. His last press conference where he was describing Sam Darnold being down

because of mono and seemed like he was a bit beat up. Is there a way, if you're the coach of the Jets, what are you saying to the team? Like, hey, listen, I mean, obviously we've hit every single branch of the unfortunate tree as we've fallen down to earth here. What is your message to the team tonight if you're in that locker room? I think the message is, you know, all is not lost. We have a backup. All is not lost. We have a backup

who has started games in the NFL. It's not a guy coming in green who has no idea what he's doing. We have a power running game that we got to ride. You got to ride that horse and just keep riding it. Just keep riding it. Oh, yeah.

And, you know, play lights out defense. I think Greg Williams is going to have that defense amped up. Him and OBJ are already, you know, battling a little bit. Greg Williams, two Gs, came out there and said, Odell who? Just joking. And then he said, do the there and said, Odell who? Just joking. And then he said, do the Giants like Odell? I don't know. You tell me.

I enjoyed a little give and take between a D coordinator and wide receiver. Who thinks he's been wronged by a guy in the past? Which, I mean, that's up for debate. I'm not in the locker room. I don't know what they're being said. Let's move forward to the NFL as a whole. This morning I was on Get Up, and Rex Ryan, in the pre-production meeting, almost had a complete conniption fit about these refs

and how the game is being called and the game is being changed. How do we fix the officiating issue that's happening in the NFL? There's billions of dollars on the line, and I'm saying that not only with sports gambling and with contracts and with tickets being sold and ownership and everything like that. There is so much money on the line in the NFL. And whenever something becomes this big, every mistake gets magnified. There it is.

That's the word I'm looking for. And it seems as if the refs' mistakes have been magnified. But, man, they seem to be happening at a more rapid rate, Nick. Oh, they are. And I think what it's showing you is that you've got to go full-time refs. I think that's our only hope. There's still going to be human error, but you want to knock out some of the human error,

you make the guys full-time. And, you know, I think that helps. And, you know, I think that's your best bet. I don't know any other way other than to have guys who have no other jobs, their only job, watch film, watch games, and go over it and over it and over it again. Walt Anderson and I have a bad relationship, okay? He caught a false start on me in England on an extra point that should have been on the nose tackle.

You know, I was trying to get the D-line off of our guys on field goal, so I go hard count on two, on three, because the offensive linemen hate field goal enough. I mean, it's the worst job in the history to be an offensive lineman on field goal. Do you agree? I concur. It's bad.

You're just sitting there, you stand up, and literally they tell you to die slowly. That's a technique. Die slowly. So it's a miserable thing. So I try to go hard count from the belly. I got a nose tackle to jump. Thought we should have been able to go for two from the one yard line instead of the

extra point. Walt Anderson literally looked at me, pointed at me and said, I'm calling it on one. So since that day, I've hated him. But with that being said, he's 97 years old, still calling games. Is there ever going to be a time where there's a turnover in referees? I mean, I think we need a new class to get in there. And have you ever thought about potentially officiating? Because I think ex-players reffing is the way we really fix this whole thing. Oh, that would be interesting. Ex-players officiating. So much more we'd get away with. Well, I think it'd be more reasonable. And also, whenever they make the call, people would be like, ah, he's played. That must be right. You know what I mean? I think it'd be more reasonable. And also, whenever they make the call, people would be like, ah, he's played. That must be right.

You know what I mean? I think they get a lot more credit than like Walt Anderson, who's like, holding. Shut up, Walt. That's what everybody's first reaction is. If it was an old player, I think they'd be like, ah, that's reason. More like a hockey thing, you know? Right. Well, I think the big thing that you look at it, too, is they don't have a farm system.

Where are they getting these young refs coming up? Is there a school? Do these guys go to, you know, is there a class they can take? You know, America is still the farm system of football where kids are playing, you know, from third grade on, through high school, through college, through the NFL. They get to the game and they know what's going on. Without having, you know, you never see like a high school kid out there

learning how to ref. I think that could be something you could look into. Yeah, you just got to hope Hockley has more kids. Yeah. I think Ed Hockley is the farm system. Just him and Mrs. Hockley in there. Just creating referees on the whole thing. Him and Crow Marty.

You were teammates with him. That's one of the most – hey, he's a good dude, by the way. He Him and Crow Marty. You were teammates with him. That was that's one of the most. Hey, he's a good dude, by the way. He's a great guy. I love I love her. I agree. He got painted in a pretty bad light on that hard knocks with the naming of his kids in the birthdays.

I think there was potentially some editing is what I was told by Cromartie himself. I'm not sure if that's accurate. I wasn't there, so I can't say. But yeah, he definitely took it on the chin and took a beating on that. We interrupt this conversation to say, don't judge a book by its cover. But we also know that's exactly what most of us do. Appearance can be everything, especially in a professional situation, which is why I want to talk to you about that bag over your shoulder. Are you still carrying that old college backpack to work like a

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then he got skinny and he got pretty and next thing you know you know he's in new york he looks great um people are throwing themselves at him uh and i think it went to his head tell you the truth but uh but i love rex was awesome i had a fantastic time with him he's a fantastic coach uh if he ever gets another shot um i think he would do a fantastic job okay um oh man that's so funny that's like jonah hill yeah everybody says when jonah hill got skinny he lost his funny aaron rogers last week said sam elliott without the mustache not good sam elliott with the mustache good i do believe these little things matter they do they do um as an offensive lineman how's the body feel how many years did you play in the nfl uh i tricked people for 11 years okay 11 years in the nfl then you're

at ohio state and then there's high school at centerville which is basically college football they're the elks same high school as aj hawk and jeremy cash my holder in college not to be forgotten about uh don't forget her street too kirk herb street greatest analyst out there also from centerville ohio just gem after gem how's the box for the brand mike nugent also from centerville yes what's in the water over there you guys got some greatness in the water over there. He's got some greatness in the water over there. I can respect the hell out of that. Sorry, we sidetracked. No, no, it's a real thing, though, is the future of football players. And how do you feel? I mean, you're in one of the toughest positions there is. How does the body feel after all this? And you don't have to dive into the mental part of it.

After Gronk said last week, he probably had like like 20 concussions you're literally in hand-to-hand combat every play of your life how's the body feel what do you think can be done going forward and is this just uh inherit risk with the game of football that's going to happen uh body feels really good um you know I got four little ones running around and I think they hurt me more than football ever did. But it is, you know, playing around with them, having a good time, not waking up every morning feeling terrible after, you know, getting in a car crash every day. But, you know, it's one of those things moving forward with the game. It's football. You know what you sign up for. You know what you're getting yourself into. You know you're going to feel terrible. You take the bumps and bruises.

You try to be as smart as possible about it. Try to take care of yourself while you're playing. And then after you're done playing. And, you know, it's just, I don't, it's one of those things. They go hand in hand. You're going to have collisions. You're going to have hits. You just have to be smart about it.

That's, I think that's kind of the majority of players' thoughts, by the way. Every once in a while a player will come out and be like, the NFL lied to me about this, this, and this. I don't want to say it sounds like a money grab, because I don't know what that person is going through. I can never put myself in their shoes. But any time that stuff comes out, my immediate reaction is like, hey, I was a punterner so i'm nowhere near as uh physical as you were but you had to know going into football that at some point there was a

potential collision that was going to happen right i mean it's just the way the game of football is played uh we live in a wild world though where there's a lot of lawsuits a lot of money to be had and this goes back to the officiating there was just billions of dollars up for grabs you never know what's going to happen. You never see anybody complain that the college lied to them. No one's like, oh, you know what? Alabama lied to me. It's always the NFL.

Well, that's because everybody knows that the NFL is making billions. Everybody kind of just assumes that the colleges are making billions. Hey, how do assumes that the colleges are making billions. These are colleges? Hey, how do you feel about that California legislature that passed it? I like it.

I'm intrigued. I think there's so much money involved. I think college kids do need to be paid, but there needs to be a smart way to do it. And I think that is in a form of a trust. I don't think you can just write them a check. And I think there's different safeguards that you have to put in. But, you know, there's just too much money in college football

that the guys aren't getting. Former teammate of yours, Tim Tebow, came out swinging against this. I find it to be quite a polarizing issue, which I didn't think really was going to be that case. I feel like he came out swinging so hard he must be being paid by the NCAA. Oh, you think there's a little collusion back there in the back door? Do you see how hard he fought? Has he fought that hard on anything else? Oh, Jesus.

Good point. Did you see Darren Revell tweeted that during his motivational press conference he was wearing the XV15 shirt, which would go on to be his logo for the Tim Tebow business, while giving that press conference, which a lot of people would say, taking advantage of capitalism, which is what student human athletes are trying to do currently. So it's kind of an interesting situation there, Nick.

Yes. Should he be allowed to use 15? Doesn't Florida still own that? The number? Yeah. I would argue that urban meyer owns every number yeah i mean every single number urban meyer owns hey ohio state looks really good do you keep in touch with any of your alumni stuff are you still all in on the buckeyes or is it just kind of as a fan you just kind of watch good football now no i uh i got i was actually finally able to get back after eight years uh our good friend aj hawk uh got inducted to the hall of fame uh along with

mike nugent as well uh so i got back got to see some guys um and it was it was neat it was neat being back on campus god it's changed a lot in eight years um but i i think i want to get back a little bit more so aj hawk and mike nugent Mike Nugent went into the Ohio State Hall of Fame? This is true. You got invited to go attend their Hall of Fame thing, but you just kind of sat there and watched? I crashed it pretty much. I don't know if anyone actually reached out to see if I wanted to go.

I just said I'm going. So it worked out well. Are you in the Hall of Fame already? No. What the hell is that about? What is that all about? Everybody else from your high school is in that damn Hall of Fame except for you? How does that even work?

I'd have a little bit of anger towards Ohio State. The, sorry, the Ohio State. Thank you. Please get it right. Yeah, I wasn't that good in college. So I don't expect that. You sucked in college, and then what? You got to the NFL and just became an animal?

I mean, I don't think I sucked. I wasn't breaking down any award banners or anything. When were you drafted? First round. First round, 06. Yeah, man, you sucked, bro. Hey, I can't fathom how bad you were at college football to get drafted in the first round. You must have been so terrible at Ohio

State. So terrible. I'm happy. I hope you never go into the Hall of Fame. It would be doing that Hall of Fame a disservice if some terrible football player like you got in there. I know, right? You'd be knocking it down for all the greats that came before me. Okay, are the

Jets ever going to be good this year who wins tonight uh and i can't thank you enough for stopping by we need you in studio here when we're in new york at some point yes we will i love coming down the uh four world trade it's a beautiful spot uh jets jets and browns tonight it's going to be wild um if the defense can stop baker Mayfield and the offensive line can make some holes for our friend Le'Veon Bell, I would have the Jets winning 17-13. All right. And one more time, I'm being told to ask you about sportsbettingdimes.com, which we covered at literally the beginning of this conversation,

but people are telling me in my ear to cover that again. So what is sportsbettingdimes.com, which is what you were covering. We talked about it earlier in the show. If you're a publicist for sportsbettingdimes.com or somebody from Westwood One or from DAZN that didn't listen to the first five minutes of this conversation, what is sportsbetting dimes.com so they can hear it again nick sports betting dime.com oh that's probably why i was asked to do it again

that's 100 on me that's the midwestern and you add i think uh yeah but uh sports betting dime.com check it out. You can go there, get all your free research tools, check things out. You can see different lines for different sports bet books, and it's a great tool to have. Well, I'm very thankful for sportsbettingdime.com for getting this dime of a gentleman on the show. Future Hall of Famer, both in the NFL and the Ohio State. We're going to make that right. Born in Centerville, played center. Mm-hmm.

Write that down. We did. It's on the screen if you're watching live at home. Ladies and gentlemen, one of my favorite humans to ever play football. How's the cooking going? Big green egg, you still brisketting? Yeah, grinding away. I'm doing some pulled pork that'll knock your socks off.

I need my socks to get knocked off immediately. All right, well, I can't thank you enough, Mr. Mangle. Ladies and gentlemen, Nick Mangle. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Good stuff from Nick Mangle. They're always a big fan of when he comes on the show. Thank you for cheering. a fan of a um hard worker you know coach's son hard hat lunch pail kind of guy high motor guy

first one in last one out you know all the cliches you've heard them all they all apply to this guy wide receiver for the detroit lions danny amandola joining us now is a man i can't wait to talk to he played he played college football in texas tech then he was a ram he was a return specialist an absolute nightmare of a man to defend whenever you're a punter or a kicker i hated him on the field loved him off the field he found a home in new england then he went to miami now he's a detroit lion turning things around for the undefeated Matt Patricia. Lions up there. Wide receiver, number 80, classic white guy, Danny Amendola. Pat, how you doing, buddy?

I'm great. How are you, pal? I'm good, man. It's good to talk to you. Yeah, it's great to chat with you, man. Watching your career from afar and over the internet has been a lot of fun because I remember like it was just yesterday, me begging you to take a knee on a kickoff for a touchback in St. Louis.

Now you're a world champion. You get talked about in TMZ, and you're helping lead the Detroit Lions to a complete turnaround. How is it in Detroit? You guys are still undefeated with a 1-0 and one record. How are the boys feeling up there? It's great, man. You know, it's still's great man you know it's

still early as you know but uh man we're getting things rolling coach patricia has been doing a great job getting us ready to play getting us um you know physically mentally prepared so uh you know we got a tough one this week going to philly they played sunday night versus the falcons everybody saw that um you know they're a good team got a great quarterback they got good receivers good dbs so you know they're well coached they a great quarterback they got good receivers good dbs so you know they're well coached they fly around and then we're up for the challenge um you have become a guy that when patricia talked about finding his guys right i talked to matt patricia before uh week 17 match up against the packers i talked to him and he said he wants to find people that

kind of fit the culture he's trying to build there I would assume the culture he's trying to build is similar to the Patriots because there's so much success in both of you are from there whenever he brought you in was there a pressure or a conversation you had with Matt Patricia where he was like hey need you to lead the guys in a proper fashion we want a little bit of what happened in Foxborough to happen here in Detroit yeah there's definitely some carryover. When it comes down to how we prepare, how we practice, some of the things that he goes over in meetings, how we watch a film, how we communicate with each other, there's definitely some carryover. Obviously, Coach Patricia was very successful in New England.

He's brought some familiar faces from the time he spent there to Detroit now. So there's a few of us in the building, but we want to have our own identity. We want to be the best Detroit Lions team we can be. So we're all in here in Detroit. We love playing hard for the city. The city's electric. It has a lot of tradition, a lot of history in sports here, and we want to play hard first and foremost for the city and for our team.

That city has been miserable, revolving around the Detroit Lions and the Pistons. I mean, it seems like it's been an eternity since they have been good. But it also feels like a city that's ready to lose their minds for the Detroit Lions to be good. Have you gotten a sense of that, even though it is early? Is there an excitement built up around the time about the undefeated 1-0-1 Detroit Lions? No question, man. No question, man. We had a great turnout last Sunday at our first home game at the opener.

A bunch of fans, 1 o'clock start, man. They got out there early. I know they were tailgating. I could smell the booze. It was fantastic. It was awesome to get out there in front of our home fans for the first time in a regular season game. I know how excited they are, how hungry they are for a winning team and for us to have a parade down Woodward. That's what we're all trying to do. Ah, Danny. You've become such a handsome guy. You've become such a handsome guy.

It's kind of taken over the Danny Amendola image as this attractive white guy who's become this superstar wide receiver. I remember when the Rams, you were just a little bummed back then. That's how everybody viewed you. No question. Yeah, the come-up has been a real one for you. How has your life in the NFL, there's no way you could have thought you'd be this guy that you are now.

How has the entire experience been? It's been great, man. It's been, you know, came in undrafted, got cut two times before I played in my first NFL game and played on three teams before I played on my first NFL game when I was in St. Louis. Started out in Dallas and then Philly, and then finally got my start. I'm going on my 12th year undrafted, so I'm excited. I still have that chip on my shoulder, still have that competitive edge, and I want to play football for some time to come. There's still some things I want to get done, and I enjoy playing the game. I enjoy the time with my teammates in the locker room, obviously. I enjoyed playing against you, man. You were a monster back in the day, dude,

and I always loved how you would uh switch up uh what direction you were going to try to try to punt the ball and really screw us up uh but you know you're a monster back there dude i i you know i appreciate uh i appreciate the words well i'll tell you what danny that just made me feel real good i mean you just scratched me right where i itch nobody talks about that anymore they always talk about the guy on vitamins talking into a microphone uh but i do agree you were for new and i don't i know you're trying to build a new culture i i understand that but a lot of the world got introduced to danny amandola whenever you were with the new england patriots i mean you and julian edelman became this little tag team of caucasian kids just out there making things happen on the field. What did you learn from Julian, Tom,

and that relationship that you think has kind of expedited your success in the NFL? The biggest thing I learned from those two guys specifically is, you know, how to create a lifestyle around, you know, trying to win football games, whether it be your, you know, your, your workout regimen, your, how you prepare your, your, how youimen, how you prepare, how you eat, how you sleep, how you recover, how you work out, how you train, how you play the game. And we haven't even started talking about practice yet.

So these guys practice harder than anybody that I've ever seen. And that's why they've been in the league and playing at a very high level for a long time. So that's the biggest thing I took away from Tom, Julian, and the guys that I've ever seen, and that's why they've been in the league and playing at a very high level for a long time. So that's the biggest thing I took away from Tom, Julian, and the guys that I grew up with in New England is how to create a lifestyle around winning football. Do you eat avocado ice cream and all that terrible stuff that TB12 does? No, no, I'm not.

I run a lot more than him. I've got to run routes all day, so I get a little leeway on my diet. than him i gotta run routes all day so i i get i get a little leeway on my diet um you know i can i can i can eat uh you know some bluebell some um you know some some real shit you know real ice real shoot yeah i heard your heard your accent there from texas tech a nice shoot drop oh yeah uh let's talk about you becoming this pop culture icon that you became there for a couple months this offseason. Did you ever get nervous that everything off the field was going to distract you on the field?

Never, dude. I love playing ball. I love getting out there and practicing and going through camp, going through OTAs, going through all the hard stuff. and practicing and going through camp, going through OTAs, going through all the hard stuff. And it also takes my mind off of all the other possible distractions that could take away from that. And football is first and foremost in my life, married to the game,

and that's what I'm about. So everything else is just hogwash. And most of the stuff that has been out there there or as you see is fabricated information, so Well, obviously After getting to know you a little bit as a person once I started to watch you become this pop culture thing I was like, oh this is hysterical I was so happy that it was happening just because you're you're like this incredibly nice dude And then there's all these things start happening i'm like oh this could be so much fun to watch mostly

because i am a comedian and i enjoy the internet but also because you're a good guy and the ability to stay at the top of your game while there's potential distractions is an x factor in people's longevity of their career speaking of longevity of career matthew stafford has been with the detroit lions since day one. Now, he was drafted in the last CBA. He got $60 million day one. I think he could have bought Detroit the day after. But what have you seen from Matthew Stafford that you're like, you know what? Aside from chugging a beer fast, which Tom Brady can do, this dude has got it, and you enjoy playing with him.

What has Matthew Stafford shown that has made you want to do that? His competitive edge, really, dude, is unbelievable. You know, he loves to win. He loves to, you know, have success in practice and, you know, in OTAs and camp and in these games. And he kind of let this show. You know, last week he threw a touchdown pass to Kenny Galladay to go up late in the game. And he's running down the sideline pumping his fist like Tiger Woods.

Man, it's great to see him fly around with enthusiasm, excitement. And his competitive edge is something that, you know, I've only seen in a couple guys. So, you know, I'm really happy to play with him. I'm really happy to get to know him, to grow with him, to learn, and hopefully catch some footballs this year. So I'm excited to see what he's going to do. Well, I think we all are excited to watch. We have a kid in here who's a diehard Detroit Lions fan. His name is Fox.

And whenever you got signed to the team, he lost his mind. He's a big fan. He's also an attractive white guy, so I think that could be the reason. But I think you're making a lot of people a lot of lions fans who potentially been miserable a long time excited about the future um what's the what's the culture like in that locker room is there music playing oh yeah man it's great dude it's uh everybody vibes well man we got we got a good group um you know there's no egos in the building man everybody kind of checks that at the door uh everybody comes to work with with uh you know some you know focus with intensity with uh eagerness to get better to learn and to prepare so uh you know we

we we can play better you know we we made some mistakes last week we made some mistakes the year the week before that uh we came out with a tie the first week. We squeaked out a win last week against the Chargers. We did some good things, but we're learning and we're improving. As long as we're growing, as long as we're getting better,

that's all you can ask for. To put our best foot forward against Philly this week is what we're going to do. Last question before I let you go, and I can't thank you enough for your time. What did Patricia say about the tie? Was he like, this is the dumbest thing we've ever done? All the training. Yeah, I mean, personally, he was pissed.

Everybody was kind of pissed. I mean, we weren't so mad. We knew we didn't lose, but we knew we kind of, you know, we let him come back. We let the door open, but, you. But we took it as a learning experience. You know what I'm saying? I mean, it's a tie. What's a tie? No, it's the most odd feeling you can have, much like kissing your sister.

But I'm sure it's a learning experience. It's something that we're going to be able to grow from and hopefully get better later in the season. be able to grow from and um and hopefully get better later in the season so um luckily uh you know we made we made some a few plays there at the end week one to to pull out a tie i personally don't agree with ties uh it's hard i think i think we need to have like a sudden death kickoff yes plus passing kick type of thing i know pat you'd be up for that yes i'm all in on that i think there should be a shootout this is how i should go i think everybody should be allowed to get involved here but i think i think on each side two-point conversion attempts for both teams one side to the other

if one makes it one doesn't they win if it's a tie through three let the kickers get out there and start bombing some that's it that's it longest we goal wins. Go one for one. The first one to miss, maybe you get one rebuttal, maybe you don't. But I feel like we should implement a little bit more of a beer pong lifestyle here in the football overtime league. Yeah, there's no ties in beer pong. There's no ties in beer pong. People forget. There's no ties in beer pong. I can't thank you enough, Mr. Amendola. Are you still returning kicks or are you done with that because you're old?

Kicks, no. Punts, yes. I love punts. And then trying to get open in the offense and move the chain still. So having fun, man, enjoying it, looking forward to the rest of the year. Hey, man, so thankful you joined us. Looking forward to the rest of the year. Hey, man.

So thankful you joined us. And all of those cliches about wide receivers, the high motor, first guy in, last guy out, coach's son, married to the game. I honestly believe the cliches are a cliche for a reason. I think that might have been you. But aside from that, you're a freak athlete who has grown into an incredible player. It's been fun to watch. Can't wait to see the Lions' success this year with you.

Thanks for coming on, Mr. Amendola. Thanks, Pat. I appreciate it. It's nice talking to you, nice catching up. I'm a huge fan of yours, always have been. I'm looking forward to seeing what you're going to do. Bring us in the future, man. I'm on board. I'll talk to you soon, brother. You remember when I almost got killed outside of a club in New Mexico

because I tried to hop on a guy's motorcycle? Absolutely. Absolutely. That was the first time we got killed. I think it was at Hank Baskett's Charity Foundation event, golf course deal. We had a blast. Probably shouldn't have been driving a golf cart. I almost got killed by a biker gang in new mexico but danny saved my life and here we are uh years later uh

thank you for everything danny cheers man that was a wild weekend in new mexico that was a wild turns out those margaritas catch up to you a lot quicker than you think out there Real dry air He's a good dude, man I didn't want to pepper him about the off-field stuff I mean, he was dating Miss America I assume that's all going to follow But I did wonder if it was ever going to be a distraction for him Because that type of stuff can get guys caught up I mean, we've seen it since the beginning of time

And all he's done is just continue to show up and show out I think the Lions like him a lot I'd assume you have to Absolutely Anytime you get a guy that can embrace detroit you got to keep him just like stafford did you hear him say that right there by the way did you hear him say that he loves detroit and stafford whenever i did that week 17 interview with him he said all we want is a parade down woodward and when i said that out loud a lot of lion fans were like it'd be nice if stafford ever told us that i think they're quiet guys i think they're a quiet team that have been building something for a long time now is this

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Join the movement. Big thanks to Danny Amendola. He was incredible. Looking forward to him coming back on the podcast and opening it up a little bit more. You can tell he kind of wanted to on the radio, but obviously the FCC has some pretty tight restrictions there. To close things out, we have a incredible interview with Pittsburgh Steeler legend Charlie Batch. He had a bunch of good insights about the Eli Manning, Daniel Jones situation,

because that was eerily similar to a situation he was in. He talks a little Barry Sanders and what it was like being teammates with him and breaks down the entire Ben Roethlisberger situation. I don't know why we were so surprised that he was so good. We should have known it. Chuck Batch, incredible quarterback, used to sling the pill all around the yard, used to always play with him in NFL Blitz, laser rocket arm, used to break thousands of tackles, and he's good on a microphone.

Joining us now is a man who was a backup quarterback for a long time. He threw for 11,000 yards in the NFL, played for the Detroit Lions. I had a chance to chat with him at the Rookie Symposium during breakout meetings. He was leading one of them. An incredibly knowledgeable man. A man who talks for the media for the Pittsburgh Steelers. From Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Mr. Charlie Bash.

Hey, boy, Charlie. How you doing, fellas? We're excellent. How are you, Charlie? Life is crazy in Pittsburgh right now, I'd imagine. Oh, yeah, it definitely is. It's been a crazy 48 hours, that's for sure. Okay, so the Pittsburgh Steelers, a lot of things have happened.

Old Tommy John snuck up and attacked Big Ben Roethlisberger's right elbow. Then all of a sudden Mason Rudolph, the starter of the offense, looked like it had a little bit of a spark with Mason. Everybody's like, wait a minute, are we done yet in Pittsburgh? Then they trade a first-rounder for Minka Fitzpatrick saying, hey, we're still in this thing. What is the mindset with the Pittsburgh Steelers? Are they giving up hope this year, or do you think they're in it for the long haul

and they really think they can win some games this year with Mason Rudolph? No, I really do think they feel that way. And having Mason Rudolph here on the roster, they really felt good about him two years ago. They had him graded as a first-round pick. He just happened to fall into the third round, and they felt like he was too good to pass up, even though there were other pressing needs that they had on the football team

last year. But now he's thrust into this position and made it easier because when he walked into that building on Monday, everybody knew that Ben was going to go on IR. Now this is his team. And like you mentioned, he lit a spark for that offense and that game coming in in that second quarter and playing the full second half. Stats would have been probably about a 123 rating if that Dante Moncrief holds on to the football and he doesn't result in a interception. So they really feel good as far as where he's at. Will he make mistakes? Yeah, absolutely. Essentially, he is a rookie. This is his second game that he's going to now participate in

as he gets ready for the 49ers. So it's going to be interesting to see how he prepares this week. A lot of people are saying Big Ben never steps on the field if Tommy Maddox doesn't get hurt in basically the same fashion. Is this a long-term thing, or do you think Ben Roethlisberger and the Pittsburgh Steelers are expecting Ben Rowan Gardner to come back stronger than ever after the Tommy John surgery? Well, I think talking to all the doctors, I'm pretty sure that they feel pretty good about the surgery and him coming back stronger in the offseason.

The good part with Ben, you have the surgery now you don't he doesn't have to pick up a football till April May until OTA start up next spring so I think that's a good part for him that question remains you just don't know how he's going to respond because I don't think there's a comparable um surgery out there I know people were talking about Jake Malone or Del Holmes. Del Holmes from Carolina? I think that's how you pronounce his last name. Del Homie. Yeah. They were trying to compare it to that type of surgery, but I think it may be a little bit more severe.

We'll see and follow and monitor what his progress looks like, but you know how this game is. You're the veteran guy. You're older. Yes, they did extend his contract this year, so he feels pretty good that way. But here you are possibly watching your replacement. If he goes out there and balls out, man,

now there's going to be a lot of questions coming to next year whether he is the quarterback of the future. If it doesn't plan out for Mason Rudolph, yeah, you have been in the bullpen to come back in, but now what does next year's quarterback class look like? You don't have a first-rounder because you just traded it away to Miami for Fitzpatrick, so there are a lot of questions that are lingering around Pittsburgh. You were a backup for a long time, also an incredible starter for the Detroit Lions,

but you were a backup for a long time, and every time you came on the field, I feel like every Yinzer I know thought that the team had a real chance. Does the city of Pittsburgh think that the Steelers have a chance right now with Mason Rudolph, or is everybody kind of like, we got rid of Antonio Brown, we got rid of Lev, now Ben's elbow decides to quit, everything's in shambles, or do you think there's a real feeling of, you know what, next man up, Mason Rudolph's going to be able to do this? Well, I think they felt good about his performance last week. They said, okay, wow, we didn't this. Well, I think they felt good about his performance last week. They said, okay, wow, we didn't expect that.

But I think the lingering question remains, because nobody has ever seen this before, because he is essentially a rookie, can he now do it consistently? And he has 14 games to prove that, and that starts this week on the road in a tough environment in San Francisco. So I think we're all kind of scratching our heads. We'll all learn this together. Can Mason play?

All indications that I've seen throughout training camp, he's really just picked up the offense, and I think he gets to that point of now can he now continue to execute and do this on the road. So I think we're all going to figure that question out in the next 60 minutes when it happens on Sunday. We interrupt the show to talk about something fairly serious, something near and dear to me.

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That's a full month of free basis and a great deal on a groundbreaking supplement. Excited to see Mason Rudolph. Excited to see what the Steelers do. The Yenzers, they've been through a lot these last couple years. A lot of drama. It was like Real Housewives of Pittsburgh there for a while in the Steelers locker room let's move on this is an incredible thing we're looking up the charlie batch uh on the internet earlier and it was said that you were in the locker room uh when barry sanders decided to retire with that man andrew luck retired here came out of nowhere and barry

sanders name is still mentioned all the time about retirements that popped up out of nowhere. Did you guys know that was coming? What was the initial reaction, and what was Barry like as a dude? Yeah, I think whenever Barry was phenomenal, I mean, probably the most humble person I've been around other than Troy Palomaro, and those two are very similar that way when it comes to just their personalities. But nobody knew what was expected. You know, here I was now entering into my second year.

I thought, man, it was pretty cool playing with Barry. My rookie year, I'm going to have him over the next couple years. He wasn't there during the OTAs, having conversations with him. We had no idea that he was going to retire. And then all of a sudden, on the eve of training camp, he decided that he was going to fax his retirement letter into Wichita, Kansas, into the hometown newspaper. So we were all caught off guard.

We're sitting there. We're scrambling. And then, you know, the coaches are trying to figure out who we can trade for because we needed a running back. So it just really caught everybody off guard. It changed the whole offensive game plan. We ended up trading for Greg Hill, who was with the Chiefs, and he played with the Rams prior to it.

And it was just tough because now you he played with the Rams prior to it. And it was just tough because now you're trying to get him up to speed. Everybody kind of wrote us off. But for us, we were able to rally. We got off to a 6-2 start. We beat the hot Rams team, who eventually won the Super Bowl at the midway point. So it was just something that you had to kind of rally around each other, and I think that's what's happening now in Indianapolis whenever the retirement happened. Kind Andy Luck, kind of similar situations, he didn't practice in the offseason.

And then all of a sudden you have Perced that's sitting there with those refs. And when you get the word, man, you just got to go and play. And hopefully things work out with him up there in Indianapolis. And, of course, you know, it was a great plan for Barry Sanders for one year. Yeah, it's crazy how the league is, because every week there's a new headline. Every week something new happens, something new is mind-blown. The NFL does a great job controlling the narrative all

year round. The Andrew Luck story is basically already done being talked about. Nobody's even talking about it anymore, but Barry Sanders' name is one that is just a constant in the NFL. Let's switch names. The Manning family is one that is always chatted about. For whatever reason, they're really good at football, won a lot of Super Bowls.

Eli Manning has now been benched for the New York Giants. Daniel Jones, young quarterback going in there. Is that an awkward move, you think? Is it a weird quarterback room right now for Daniel Jones, knowing that it's his team now? Or do you think everything is going to be laissez-faire? Let's go for it. Yeah, it's going to be awkward just because you're the unquestionable leader in the offseason

and all the way up until this point of the announcement. Now Loyalty has to switch a little bit on that team to say, okay, yeah, Eli, you was our man. Now we're moving toward with Jones. So it's just awkward, and it just kind of reminds me of my rookie year when I was with Detroit. Scott Mitchell started the first two games. He ultimately got benched in week three.

I was preparing to get ready for Minnesota on the road, and you're kind of trying to now mold and figure out what your career is being shaped like. But I think a lot of people in New York that already thought that that particular move was going to happen. It was just a matter of when. Now that the move has been made, they cannot waver and go back to Eli Manning if, for

whatever reason, Daniel Jones struggles. Reminds me of what happened last year in Baltimore when you're sitting back and you're making a switch from, you know, going from Flacco to Jackson. And whenever he struggled in that playoff game, everybody was now talking about trying to flush Flacco into that lineup, and Harbaugh said, no way. He's our guy. And ultimately you could see it paying off for him

in the first two weeks down in Baltimore. So they just have to rally around Jones and say, listen, don't look over your shoulder. This is your team, and go out there and rock it. Yeah, because there are egos involved in everything. I mean, that that's just the way it goes i think that's going to be a delicate situation i hope daniel jones does well for the new york giants fans uh and i'm interested to see how eli manning handles that lamar jackson you just mentioned him have you got a chance to watch that offense do you think it's sustainable or do you think that's an offense that defensive

coordinators will be able to figure out the wildcat took the world by storm and then the rpos which used to be called play actions kind of took over the world and defense coordinators start figuring it out this offense in baltimore seems to be one that could be very difficult to figure out with all their tight ends their different sets and lamar's jackson ability to throw the ball all of a sudden have you got a chance to see the ravens offense perform at all? And do you think they are a potential dominant AFC team for the next couple years? Well, I do think they have the potential to be a dominant team. Did I expect Jackson to do what he's doing,

have a perfect passer rating on week one? No, but he did, and he had to go out there and prove it because coming into this season, everybody questioned whether or not he could throw the football down the field. But when you have the running ability of Jackson, they have to respect that first and foremost. So if you're a defensive coordinator in this league, you're going to say, okay, we're going to load the box, stop the run. Jackson beat us with your arm, and he has proven that thus far. So it's going to be interesting to see if defensive coordinators can keep up to what he's doing,

but also can Jackson protect himself when he's now running the football and not take those unnecessary hits so he can sustain throughout the entire year. If he stays healthy, man, Baltimore obviously is the team to beat in the AFC North. Now, can they compete with Kansas City? We won't know that because I don't think they get a chance this year unless it's the playoffs, but they do get a shot at New England, so they'll be able to test where they are from that competition level. How dumb is the New England dumb?

I mean, how it – Mr. Batch, when I say this, I mean this. I feel like the New England Patriots have been winning since Barry Sanders decided to retire. It feels like that empire up there is just so good, and they've only gotten better. As an older guy who played quarterback into your, I think, into your 40s, late 30s at least, how do you think it's sustainable? He eats avocado ice cream.

I get it. And he does cucumber pizza and stuff like that. But how does Tom Brady still perform at the level that he performs at some time, father time has to catch up to him. Is that wrong? Am I accurate in saying that? No, it absolutely catches up to everyone. And, you know, whatever workout regimen that Tom is doing up there is working for him.

And like you mentioned, man, you just kind of scratch your head when you spend, you know, 20 years in this league and half of them you're in the Super Bowls. Really? Are you serious? That New England situation reminds me of Golden State. You're like, okay, yeah, Steph Curry's already good, but you're at Kevin Durant for that? Are you kidding me? Now, all of a sudden, here you are adding Antonio Brown. It's like, wow, it cannot even happen. And it just, you know, it babbles me. And, you know, of course, from comparisons, everyone thought that the Steelers could compete. They got blown out by New England. And you add that element, and Tom is doing nothing but getting better,

and now quarterbacks are being knocked off with injury. And now here's the elder spokesperson now versus all these younger guys, and can they now knock off the lion? And it's going to be interesting to see if they can do it. But for whatever reason, all signs are indicating that it's probably going to be a Kansas City-New England AFC championship game, and we'll probably see Tom in a championship again. You never officially retired from the NFL.

Can you still spin it? Were you thinking about going and working out for the Steelers or what? I never officially retired from the NFL, but you know how this game is. Once they send you your severance check, the league has officially wiped their hands of you. You are unofficially retired. Are you enjoying the media world?

This has been an incredible conversation. I feel like you just taught me a lot. Are you enjoying the media world? Is this what's going to happen for you, or is this going to be your future? I really do enjoy it. I like it, but I don't love it. The only reason why I don't love it is because the Steelers play five national games, primetime

games, and I jump on the post-game radio after the fact, so I don't finish until 2.30 in the morning. That's the only reason why I don't love it. But everything else, I enjoy it thoroughly, and I enjoy talking ball in general. So, trust me, I enjoy it thoroughly, and I enjoy talking ball in general. So, trust me, I'm one of the ones that are very happy. I know Steelers

Nation is not happy whenever the Steelers are flexed out of prime time, but I'm completely happy because that's the difference between me finishing at 2.30 in the morning or 7 p.m. Hey, I can respect that, man. You talk about newspaper people. They talk about deadlines, writing deadlines. They like the earlier games as well.

So I don't think there's any knock on that. You have the New England Patriots and the Chiefs in the AFC Championship. Do you have the Patriots winning it all against two? I actually have them probably. It's kind of hard because at one point I'm thinking to myself, okay, it's going to be the Rams, and then I'm liking what I saw from Seattle, what they did to the Steelers over the last week. So I really think it's going to be Seahawks and New England in the Super Bowl again.

Charlie, everything about me, every time I watch Russell Wilson speak, I just want to, I literally want to just slap him in the right in the mouth because everything he says is just perfect everything russell wilson says is perfect everything he does seems to be perfect it was like back when i was in college and tim tebow it was like this guy can't be like this all the time then i meet tim tebow and he literally is like that all the time russell wilson i've never got to officially meet him but every time time I see him on TV, I'm like, this guy is so full of grumpy. I cannot take everything this guy

says. It's just perfect, perfect, perfect. And then he leads the team on these incredible long drives, and he drops balls into the bucket for him. He seems to be the perfect quarterback. Why do I hate him, Charlie? Why do I just have this natural hatred towards him, and should I? It's one of those, his career reminds me of Ben Roethlisberger. Early on,

you're like, okay, the Legion of Boom is the reason why you're winning, why you're in the Super Bowl, and why you even have a championship. And then all of a sudden, he continues on in his career, they lose their defense inside of the ball, and he's making pinpoint, accurate throws. You're like, man, I can respect it. It's very similar to what happened with Ben Roethlisberger. That defense, number one for a long time here with the Steelers, and he started making those accurate throws, and that's when people started respecting his passing game. When you look at what Russell Wilson brings to the table,

he doesn't check all the boxes. But yet he is out there and one of the top quarterbacks in this league. You can't do anything but respect the guy. Third round pick, he had to earn everything that he had at this point. And, man, watching him in person, man, it was even better than watching him on TV this past Sunday. I'll tell you what, Charlie, you've had to earn everything in your life as well, from Munhall to Eastern Michigan to the Lions back home to Pittsburgh.

I can't thank you enough for joining us. I'll get around on Russell Wilson. I just think he's too perfect. I just think he's too perfect. I just think he's too perfect. It has to be fake, but maybe it's genuine. Maybe he's just that incredible of a dude and a quarterback. Charlie, I will speak nothing but your praises for the rest of the time. Thank you so much for joining us,

ladies and gentlemen. Charlie Batch. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Alright, that's the show. It's currently 4 a.m. I'm fucking dead. Hopefully I don't fall asleep at the wheel when I'm driving home. But I guess if you don't hear me on any more shows, then you'll know that that's probably the case.

We're still live on Westwood One every day from 10 a.m. Eastern time to noon and streaming live on DAZN. If you haven't checked that out yet, I would highly recommend you do so. For the time being, you can still find all the podcasts on YouTube. And I would also recommend checking out the newest vlog that Foxy just made. It is incredible and gives you a little insight into the chaos of our last week. We appreciate you guys for listening and rocking with us. Like Pat always says, we know you could listen to just about anything else,

but you're choosing to spend your time listening to us, and that doesn't get lost over here. We respect and appreciate the hell out of you guys. Have a good one. Cheers. Cheers. Bit by. If it's all right, I want to kick it with you all night, all night

Have a good time, ain't gotta worry cause it's alright, it's alright All night, all night, all night, baby Don't be shy, don't be shy, don't be shy, baby All night and all night, ain't gotta worry Cause it's alright, it's alright It's alright, it's okay Everybody gon' say what they wanna say Players gon' play when they wanna play

Lonely, only for a night like Luther Bandraw's ride No way, daddy bad sad, don't skip no days Eat her, meet her, treat her Treat her like a queen, then I give her that pita Jack, that's how we procreate Take care of my babies, I'ma tote the weight I'ma carry the load and I'ma win the bread as well No tricking off of my girl

Yo chicken off of my girl She thick with all of her curves Plus she got her mind on her Street smart, book smart, built by design for me Gotta hold her up cause she always holding me down Like a bank robber with a note, give it to the teller So she know we ain't fucking around It's something about that company I sent for you, cause she always holding me down Like a bank robber with a note, give it to the teller So she know we ain't fucking around It's something about that company I sent for you

That you come for me Come for me If it's alright I wanna kick it with you all night, all night Have a good time Ain't gotta worry cause it's alright, it's alright All night, all night, all night baby Don't be shy, don't be shy, don't be shy baby

All night and all night, ain't gotta worry cause it's alright, it's alright It's alright, it's okay, I feeling good, now n***a feeling great Started out as a little hood n***a from Savannah Then I moved to the A, A Back to dirty, see we grew up on folks and churches Suckin' up game like a wet bag Put it out, eat it up, get it wrapped back They ain't worthy, sometimes I think they don't deserve me Big cold is the ice in your nightcap Get you what you're bindin' on by the night lamp We don't discriminate, we just want you to participate

It takes two to tango, now let the day go, the same, that same, oh, same, oh, oh, same shit, we done switched it up like a plain clothes, 5-0, 12, same cold, my flow, hell, stay froze It's somethin' bout that company, I sent for you, and you come for me, come for me, come for me If it's alright, I wanna kick it with you all night, all night Have a good time, ain't gotta worry cause it's alright, it's alright All night, all night, all night, baby Don't be shy, don't be shy, don't be shy, baby All night and all night, ain't gotta worry Cause it's alright, it's alright

I just wanna boogie with you, with you Do anything that you wanna do, wanna do Girl, I just wanna boogie with you, with you, with you I just wanna boogie with you, with you Do anything that you wanna do, wanna do Girl, I just wanna boogie with you, with you, with you If it's alright, I wanna keep it with you all night, all night Have a good time, ain't gotta worry cause it's alright, it's alright All night, all night, all night, baby

Don't be shy, don't be shy, don't be shy, baby All night and all night, ain't gotta worry Cause it's alright, it's alright