The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1116 - Draft Spectacular Eve With Michael Lombardi, Ian Rapoport, Pete Thamel, Jamal Crawford, Clyde Christensen, Pacman Jones, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 24, 2024

On today’s show, Pat, Pacman Jones, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys go over all the last second details on the eve of the NFL Draft as they prepare for the 5th annual Draft Spectacular hosted by Bill Belichick tomorrow night, starting with a countdown show at 7:30 on ESPN+, Youtube, TikTok Live, Facebook, and clips everywhere else. They also cover last night’s NBA and NHL action and are joined by several great guests including Michael Lombardi, Ian Rapoport, Pete Thamel, Jamal Crawford, Clyde Christensen, and close things out with another installment of Mitt’s Mock Draft. Make sure you subscribe to YouTube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. Or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

people and welcome to our humble abode the thunderdome on this draft spectacular eve wednesday april 24th 2024 this sports program starts now sports are amazing the nba the nhl are absolutely buzzing and the nfl draft is tomorrow we got a lot of mock drafts being released this morning we got new rumors and tidbits being released into the world as we speak for the next two and a half, three hours, we'll be able to chat about all that is great around the sports world. We'll have Michael Lombardi joining us in about nine and a half minutes. Now, we all know he's former GM and was a consultant and advisor for the New England Patriots.

I think he's a two- or three-time Super Bowl champion. The man is obsessed with football. I'll be excited to gather his thoughts before we head into tomorrow night's Draft Spectacular. Jamal Crawford will be joining us. Yes, hell yeah. 21-year NBA vet. He's the host of The Crossover. He's also on NBA on TNT.

He'll be joining us in a second hour to talk about how electrifying these NBA playoffs have been thus far. And we're only a few games in to every single series across the entire board. And then, ladies and gentlemen, joining us right now, it's not just me, obviously. It's Talks to the Table. I have, ladies and gentlemen, joining us right now. It's not just me, obviously. It's Talks to the Table.

I have Boston Connor and Attai Schmidt's sweet shirt. Yeah, yeah, a goat one. I actually didn't. This is one of the ones I've been looking for forever. Zito brought it in. He said he found it for me. I mean, I couldn't be happier. Hey, that's a good gift from Matt Viva Lozito back there.

We've got a goat tomorrow night on the draft spectacular. We built Belichick. One half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys 10 digs your sweet hoodie. Thank you, brother. Yeah. This is the draft edition of One half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys 10 digs your sweet hoodie. Thank you, brother. Yeah. This is the draft edition of the hoodie for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

You can go get it right now at the pro shop. NFL vet, big brain, host of Everything DB, Good D, Bad D, and the NFL matchup show on ESPN, The Ocho. Ladies and gentlemen, Darius J. Butler. Good to see you, D-Bunch. Good to be here. Great to see you. And 12-year NFL corner and vet.

A man who's swagged out in Bengal stuff right now. Universal signed rapper, ladies and gentlemen, Pac-Man Jones. Hey, Pac. Pac, I saw that you were loving to Mary Jane opening up for two chains in Cincinnati last Saturday. Incredible stuff. Oh, incredible. How's it been? How's it been?

It's been good. It's a good performance. I would rate that one probably my best performance that I've had. Here we go. Here we go. We got a couple performances coming up, right? We've been booked a couple times. Oh, yeah.

We got Nashville later tonight, early in the morning. Then we got Detroit. Detroit. Yeah, absolutely. For the draft. On 8 Mile. Yeah, absolutely. On 8 Mile Road.

Can't wait to hear how that goes. Excited for you to continue to, you know, grow in a new industry. You're the man. Thank you for joining us. But joining us right now is a man who may have a little bit more information on a massive signing that just took place moments before we went live. Amon Ross St. Brown of the Detroit Lions has been paid like a number one wide receiver and has set a new bar for maybe Brandon Ayuk or T. Higgins or any of the other ones around town that are seeking a deal.

Four years, $77 million guaranteed is the number that we're going to be looking at. Over $120 million in the total contract. I cannot wait to hear how this came together and why none of us knew this was potentially taking place. It makes sense, though, for the brand-new Lions to reward this sun god who's the son of a power lifter and a bodybuilder, and everything he's done since getting to Detroit has been fantastic. 100%. He's the definition of an MCDC guy.

He does everything you want him to do as a wide receiver. He'll catch the ball. He gets the yak. They even block for you. He literally is perfect. He is worth every single penny and a massive part in flipping that culture in Detroit. I love it. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, from the NFL Network, senior NFL insider, I believe a man who just got a little bit more comfortable for the next few years. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rapport.

Wow, look at your big city boy with the jacket. Welcome to Detroit. That makes sense. There you go. Not that that's every city, Welcome to Detroit. That makes sense. There you go. That makes sense. Not that that's every city, but certainly Detroit. First thing we hear is sirens. You need to keep your head on a swim wall.

There we go. Boots on the ground. Hey, go get them, boys. We appreciate the firefighters out there. They're running towards danger. Legends. That is what they do no matter what i'm out of here yeah i got family that are in the firefighting uh job very thankful for them most of them are great oh yeah the mustaches in that truck that just drove by you so good okay let's get to monroe st brown up there in the city that you're in right

now 77 million guaranteed over 120 in total four-year deal uh we just heard Detroit Lions fan Evan Fox basically say this is the definition of an MCDC guy I didn't know this deal was coming together you guys knew I would assume and I guess it all makes sense now that we see it yeah well first of all the specifics it's four years more than 120 million so more than 30 million dollars per year now there's a big number the last year um so if the actual extension will come in a little under 30 per year on basically the if you average out the first three years of the deal but he gets guaranteed money into the third year that's important i know you guys are big on guaranteed money 770 million dollars guaranteed

including some in the third year. That's big. I think the biggest thing, and Foxy kind of mentioned it, like, you know, we're here at the draft. You want to pick guys that fit your organization and contribute and, like, send a message about the kind of team you want to build. This is one of the guys, right? Like, this is a guy who you want to pay.

He has earned it. And there's a lot of tentacles to this deal. It does affect all the other receivers and all that. But just for the Lions, this is a guy who deserves it. And I think a very, very cool deal to have gotten done this week in particular. Absolutely. Celebration of Detroit continues. Devontae's getting 28 a year.

Tyreek's getting 30 a year. You say he's a little south of 30, so it feels like he's in between there. So let's look at the brain and iuk deal now if he's get traded whatever team trades for him is now not only giving up whatever the draft capital is going to be for the trade but also signing a 30 million dollar a year deal basically is that how this goes uh probably yes it might not be immediate sometimes you know like when montez got traded, he did like during the season, he got traded and then did an extension like four days later. So that's possible. But if you're trading for Brandon Ayuk, then you know that a deal is coming.

And actually, like, I don't know if a deal is going to get done. I know the 49ers would like it. I know there are definitely other teams interested in paying some draft capital. I know the 49ers would like it. I know there are definitely other teams interested in paying some draft capital. I know the 49ers would like a one. I don't know that another team is there yet, but I think the main thing is the market is getting more defined about the day. You have the Devante Smith deal. That's $25 million per year in new money. This one will probably for the first three years, end up at around 28 per year in new money. This one will probably, for the first three years, end up at around $28 per year in new money over the first three years.

The market is pretty well defined if the 49ers are able to get down a Brandon Ayukio. It helps. There's another massive one looming. Pax got a question for you. What's up, my brother? So where's the market for Justin Jeffrey, Justin Jefferson, and

Key Higg? 100 guaranteed? What is the market for Justin Jefferson and Keighy? A hundred guaranteed? What is the market for them? You know, I would say it's more. It's more. What is more? You know, it's going to be over 30 if it gets done. I don't know that one's getting done, but it's going to be over 30.

And I think when you have someone, you know, someone like Justin Jefferson, you think about him as a receiver, but you also just think about him as a great player, right? So I would imagine whatever deal he's going to get done, if he gets done, will be, you know, among the highest paid non-quarterbacks, maybe the highest paid. You know, like that's the kind of deal that guys like him get. I know the Vikings would like to get it done. I know there's a lot that goes into these super mega deals, but I know that's another guy who you have no doubt that he deserves it.

Okay, he brought up T. Higgins as well in his question. T. Higgins is just going to be in Cincinnati for a year on a franchise tag. Or either choice. Yeah, I think that's the most likely. I know the Bengals have not given up on trying to do a deal. I don't get a sense they're in a great place right now.

It's going to be a bit hard. It's getting bigger. It's getting bigger by the day. Every deal is getting bigger. I mean, that's one nice thing is the receivers are now getting and this market for receivers is jumping like I've really not seen. Every deal is getting bigger. That's one nice thing is the receivers are now getting, and this market for receivers is jumping like I've really not seen. And it's awesome because everybody should make all the money,

and these guys now are. But it also, we're here for the draft. It also shows you why it's important to take a receiver if you can get one because getting them on the early side a little bit cheaper helps team building. Well, that's the Justin Jefferson situation because they're going to have to pay him so he can't pay a veteran quarterback. So if he can get a rookie quarterback, it's a little bit cheaper. It's great. Thank you for taking time with us, Rep.

Schrager just said 10 trades this year in the first round, which would obviously be one more than the most amount of trades in 2022 or something with nine. So is there action coming or what? I'll take the under. Oh, he said Shranks being a little dramatic.

I'm not taking anything. I'm just saying in general, recreationally, I'm not. You understand. Oh, recreationally up there in Michigan. I think it'll be fewer. And I think, you know, there's been a lot of talks. There's been a lot of action. I don't know that we're going to see the massive run up for the quarterbacks

that maybe we thought it could be amazing. Because if you're going to pay for either two or three, it's going to be so much. Like I just, maybe someone does it, but I haven't gotten that sense right now. All right. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rappaport. Thank you.

Okay. Amon Ross St. Brown's a dog. Absolutely. We don't talk about him as much, though, because the MCDC conversation is always about his team's stuff. And we talk about MCDC, and we talk about Jared Goff having this resurgence in the city of Detroit

and the city loving him. It's not really about anything else. But every time I see a piece on Amon Ross St. Brown when they have a national televised game, I'm like, this dude's awesome. and his numbers are ridiculous yeah i was about to say you put up his numbers it's always top five top seven in the league and all the major categories for the last few years foxy mentioned this does everything we'll do the dirty work we'll block you can run the deep routes the intermediate routes which jared golf lives in

play action across the middle he's going to make those plays every time. Just the consummate lion, like the Detroit lion is a great guy to build a culture around out there for sure. He kind of reminds me with that culture and him blocking and how he runs. He kind of reminds me of a modern-day Hines Ward, Anquan Bolden, and that's perfect. But more explosive. That was the modern-day part of it.

That was faster or stronger. Not Anquan Boldin. You remember that photo? There was a photo on a magazine of him running in the middle of a game, and it was like, that guy has a thigh for a bicycle. What the hell is wrong with that guy? Faster yourself. Yeah, a little bit.

Modern games spread out a little bit more. A little bit more speed. In the slot a little bit more. Yeah, we got more speed. Got a lot more speed. Speaking of speed, did you hear what happened in IndyCar? What? Yeah. They're cheating over there. What? Yeah, the Penske team. Now, Penske owns

the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. They do. Essentially, the Indy500 and I think the IndyCar Series, whenever you buy the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. I don't know enough, but he's an owner. J.J. Watt, an owner of the Burnley team. They might not get relegated. Penske, the owner of IMS and the Penske race team.

They were cheating the other day. Really? Come on. Yeah, qualifying. Penske. Yeah, they were using their push to pass for anybody that's ever played like Cruising USA. It's the NOS. They have like a NOS button.

Don't tap the gas. Yeah, exactly. Do a backflip. This one is a button. And it actually like, if you watch some of the races, they'll have a graphic on the side for who has the most push to pass. They should just call it NOS. They should.

I don't know if it's NOS. I have no idea what it is. Bingo. Yeah, they should call it that. And then it tells you how much is on there. I guess they were using it at a time. You can't be using it for qualifiers. What the hell is that?

And then they benefited from it. That's bullshit. And then they ended up on the podium, I believe. And now they're getting fined $25,000. They've got to pay their money back. It's a full. Can't have it. That's not good.

It's like baseball. We're trying to beat the hell out of F1, that boring-ass race stuff. Now we've got fraudulence on any car. We can't have it. Penske, the owner, can't have it, guys. The guy who owns the Motor Speedway? What is that, Michael Jordan? Yeah, his first time for 2311 racing in NASCAR down in Talladega.

That's the first time he's been. Good time down there. Good time down there. I saw some good. Great time down there. Jumped into my Algo. Shirt's optional. I like your Algo.

Well, you guys talking about the parking lot strip club in the market. Boom. Tarp's off for the boys, yeah. It did seem like Talladega was getting a little wild down there. Yeah, we should think about going down there. Talladega. Naked. Yeah.

Out in the mud. They really were. Yes. Some of those videos were pretty wild. Dudes and chicks. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. It was a wild time

down there in Talladega. But yeah, Michael Jordan, first time he's present for a win. Okay. So that was the first time he was able to get to victory lane

and then he told a couple of the people on the team, yeah, we're getting shit-faced on that plane ride home. We're having a good time. How about Michael Jordan still doing it?

Yeah. Living. Still winning. That car was sick, too. Good design. Logo on it, yeah. Yeah, the Jordan logo doing it? Living. Still winning. That car was sick, too. Good design. Yeah, the Jordan logo's done pretty good. Good for motorsports right now. Hopefully you guys keep coming over.

Oh, funny enough. Who won your guys' race? Yeah. The China one. The Chinese Grand Prix? Yeah. The China one, yeah. Who won it?

Max. Who? Oh, Vonderstaat, man. Oh, never would have guessed. I mean, what did you say in the group text? I believe if I'm quoting you correctly, you said F1 stinks. It was a great race. I said it was a great race.

I don't think that's what you said. In the racing text, you said F1 stinks. That's because you're starting to realize like racing is about, you know, people racing each other. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Like, yeah. That's why when you have the gnaws,

you're pushed to pass. Pass is the thing. It's a big part of it. Not a lot of that in the F1. It's Vanderstoppen leading the parade every single weekend. You got China, you got Monaco, you got Miami, you got Vegas.

Vanderstoppen's leading the parade of really overpriced cars that don't want to rub at all. At least he ain't cheating like Penske. Good old-fashioned one. stoppings leading the parade of really overpriced cars that don't want to rub at all. At least he ain't cheating like Penske. Good old-fashioned. You don't know that, but if a dream falls in the woods, does anyone care? He's talking about nobody watching F1.

Or IndyCar. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man that the entire world watches because his brain is a ridiculous one. He's been a multiple-time Super Bowl champion. He's been a general manager. He's been an advisor. He's been ridiculous one. He's been a multiple-time Super Bowl champion. He's been a general manager. He's been an advisor. He's been an author.

He's been a podcast host. He still is. He's a live show host. He's been a TED talker. Yeah. This guy did a TED speech. Yeah, he did a new one, too. Ladies and gentlemen,

he's incredibly Italian. He's great on our show. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi. Boom! What's up, gentlemen? How are we doing? How is life?

Is this Vegas Mike right now? Is that where we are? This is Vegas Mike, yeah, here at the Beeson Studio with Circa here, back here in the background. It's awesome. Yeah, it's good. We got the draft. People are coming to the window betting all these prop bets on the NFL draft.

It's great. Oh, it looks like we're watching a little tennis. Watching a little tennis. Yeah, you're up there. You're all over the studio here. I'm looking here. Guess who? So are you.

Can we go full screen on Lomba right now to make him uncomfortable in there? Hey, Lomba, is anybody else in that room with you or just you? No, it's just me. I got it all to myself because there's a break in the action here. So it's the perfect time for me before I start my show at once. So it's all good. Yeah. Listen to all these rumors online,

all these evaluations. I can't wait to watch. I can't wait to have your show on to see the great Bill Belichick here talking about, I'm excited for that. I've been in the draft room with them. It's been fun. You're going to experience something that few have.

It's like going into the bat cave. Not many people get to go in there. Yeah. We have our full draft board. Tone's going to be working the board. The amount of ideas that Bill... I was talking to him this morning. 45 minutes. New ideas. We've got to think about this. I've been trying to do this.

How about this? We need to talk about this. He has been amazing. I cannot wait to see how he navigates the night. Because when New England is picking, all eyes are going to be on how is Bill going to handle this. And I think what we're about to learn is maybe the history of the NFL in one night. Because anytime something pops up, he'll reference something from, oh, that's like back in 91, I think, whenever they said this guy was going to be this and he turned into this.

It's like, holy shit, here we go. We're about to get a crash course, maybe a master's degree in the NFL. Let's talk about tomorrow night a little bit and the action. Rappaport just kind of deflated all of our balloons whenever Schrag said that he thinks there's going to be 10 trades in the first round. The record for trades in the first round is nine that happened in 2022. So saying 10 is a number which would mean most ever. He might think there's 12, but he doesn't have to say 12.

If he says 10, he gets it right here. This is Price is Right ruling. Rapport said, I don't think that's the case at all. He's thinking under that. Do you think this is going to be explosive from what you're hearing and how you look at the board, or how do you think this kind of goes throughout the evening tomorrow night? Well, I think the problem with the board is there's very few defensive players i don't think a lot of

teams have a lot of defensive players graded in the first round and so what happens is when that that occurs there's it's a law of supply and demand that's what drives trade if we don't get this guy we're not going to get another guy and so i i think there lies the conversation and i think the top of the draft being so unsettled we know Minnesota's trying to trade up the Giants have made no uh really have not denied they're trying to trade up the Raiders could they possibly trade up sure and then you get into another layer where if we don't get this player what what are we going to do if we don't get this corner do we have is there another corner we like and because there's so few defensive players on a lot of first-round grades,

I think it becomes a little bit – it's hard to predict. Again, if you're asking for too much, I think at the top of the draft that the trade value chart is insignificant because there's supply and demand. There's more teams wanting it so you can recoup more. When you get towards the middle of the draft where teams are willing to trade, then you'll start to see the trade value come into place. But what we do know, and Bill will talk a lot about this, is there is a line where there's only so many first rounders. Everybody thinks there's 32 first rounders,

there's not. Once you no longer have any firstrounders on your board that you feel are worthy, to go from 24 to 40, you're getting the same value of player. You may not get the same position, but you're going to get the same value of player and you get more picks. Teams are enticed to do that. Then the teams that are enticed to move up there later, the teams that want to take advantage of the fifth-year option on the expensive positions potentially, which we literally just learned a week ago when Bill Belichickick was on talking about well then you got the fifth-year option that potentially comes into play at expensive positions so that they have that entire thing it's like i've never heard that should obviously think about that towards the

end it's like what the packers did yeah with jordan love speaking of big price positions connor has a question for you yeah lombo obviously the patriots have been sitting at three and the trade up rumors and the trade down rumors have been sitting at three and the trade-up rumors and the trade-down rumors have been happening for the past couple months, and it's all kind of culminating to tomorrow night. Obviously, Drake May seems to be the pick there. Is that what you're thinking? I also saw a report on the Internet, take that out, you will, who knows if it's real or not, especially right now,

that the Patriots in the offseason, their pitch to some guys in free agency, at least on the offensive side, was, hey, we're going to sign a quarterback for $8 million on a one-year deal, and then we're going to draft a rookie quarterback with that number three overall pick. Is that something teams would actually do in free agency? And would that be a tell, like, hey, even though there's a lot of hoopla around them trading back

and Minnesota coming up, they're probably going to stand pat at three and take Drake May? Yeah, I think, like, hey, even though there's a lot of hoopla around them trading back and Minnesota coming up, they're probably going to stand pat at three and take Drake May. Yeah, I think, look, just look at their depth chart. The depth chart tells you everything what's going on, right? They signed Brissette for a one-year contract, whereas the Raiders signed Gardner Minshew for a multiple-year contract. So you know their depth chart. They're looking for a quarterback. They basically told Brississette you're the bridge to our next quarterback and he accepted the eight million deal so i would find it hard to believe that the patriots would risk moving down and then not getting a quarterback they will come out of the first round with a quarterback there's no doubt one thousand percent

in my mind that that will occur whether it's drake may or jj mccarthy i'm not certain of that because i don't know how everybody's boards they're going to be different but i do believe they're going to come out of it and they're going to be very careful to not trade away from the ability to get the quarterback see that's the key thing everybody wants you to trade down and pick up more picks but then if you lose the guy you thought you're going to get you're in real trouble and the patriots are going to come out of this with a quarterback just like denver pat is going to come out of this with a quarterback i know they traded for zach wilson i know that i get that and the jets are paying half of it but going into this draft all they have are jared stidham

and ben denucci you know you're basically saying we're going to have a quarterback. The nooch. The nooch. The nooch man. The depth chart tells you everything that you need to know. When you focus away from the noise on the outside and all the rhetoric, the Giants don't need a quarterback. They've got Tommy DeVito. They've got Drew Locke. All the rhetoric, if you just look at the depth chart,

they'll tell you the answer. I love that. We actually were putting together the draft board for Bill. And on the right side, I think, no, left side of the draft board is all the team's needs. And it's like that's a pretty valuable piece of information. That's a big part of the draft process that I didn didn't even really you know think about taking place almost as important as who's available it's like who do we think in front of us is going to need to take and if it's a similar person all of a sudden we might have to move if not they'll make a decision for us pretty if we got

two guys tied it's like this team is going to make a decision for us let's stay with the quarterbacks you just talked about denver Everybody's putting Bo Nix there. So that means, Ty, I have a question for you. Yeah, Lambeau, you just mentioned it. And earlier in the process, a lot of people were saying, hey, Michael Penix, Bo Nix, both these guys, probably early day two guys. But now at this point, it seems like a certainty

that all of these guys are going to go and maybe be gone by pick 14 or 15. Is that what you're thinking as well, is that we're going to have the run on quarterbacks early that everyone thought, but then Pennix and Nix will both be gone in the early teens? I don't know where they're going to go. I do believe they'll be six in the first round, and I think a lot of this has to do with the connectivity to the coach and what they see.

I think that's really important. You know, let's just say that Sean Payton has really done a good job in his career of evaluating quarterbacks. When he was with Bill Parcells in Dallas, he wanted Tony Romo. They signed him as a college free agent. Now, if they would have picked Tony Romo in the first round, I mean, Mad Mel would have come out, right? He would have been doing that Mel.

I mean, oh, my God. But he was worthy of a first- round pick the way he played his career see we get so caught up in where we pick them as opposed to how they play and that's usually part of the coverage on thursday it really matters how they play and some of these teams see some things in the quarterbacks that they can make them better players remember sean payton wanted to draft pat inomes. He lost out. Think about how the league would have been dramatically different had the Saints made that trade and not the Chiefs. And I don't think, if Sean likes

a quarterback, and I don't know if he likes Bo Nix or not, I have no idea, but if he likes one, you've got to believe he likes him for a reason. He's going to develop him. And I think that's what people see in some of these guys that why they're prompted to do it. And the guy at home doesn't believe that these guys are first rounders but the coach coaching them can get the most out of

them remember it's how they play not where we pick them no no because we judge the draft success the day after the draft right away that is of course you do yeah of course i'll give you a perfect example i'll get the 49ers 2022 draft okay they got an a minus in that draft okay they got an a minus in the draft now that a minus is actually the correct rate for all the wrong reasons they blew every pick from one to six was not the right pick but they got brock purdy at the seventh round so that gives them an a and so but we don't know that until later. And these draft grades are the most ridiculous things you ever –

nobody goes back and rechecks the draft grades. It's the only thing. I mean, when I was in Catholic school, the nuns would check your grades. You know, like you had to. Well, that'd be accountability. We don't want that. Yeah, we don't want that. Well, we don't for sure.

We would certainly like that to continue as we do some predicting of stuff. But I assume the reason why they got the A- the day after that draft wasn't because of Brock Purdy, though. Brock Purdy was not even mentioned in the A-. But now here we are three years later. It's like the only reason you snuck out of that draft is because of the one you didn't even talk about. It's a fascinating business that we are certainly a part of. That's why

for tomorrow night, we can't wait just to stir it up. I can't wait for Bill because he's going to do a breakdown pretty much every player drafted. Film. Oh, that would be great. He teamed up with NFL. And he's watched every player. What people don't realize is he's written notes on. The best thing is you're going to have

when that Mac used to come out and we were in meetings in New England and that Mac was in the meeting, the MacBook Pro that he uses that he writes all the notes in, like you're in for a long-ass meeting. Every call is a – and I love every single – it's like talking ball is like awesome. Like I'm getting a chance to like talk ball with Bill Belichick. Yeah. Awesome.

But every call I think is like he said, hey, quick question or whatever. And I think we got like a 5-10 minute thing. I'm on there 45 minutes an hour every time. Because he'll say something, and I'll be like, oh, on that note, I'll think of something that has happened. I'll ask a question. And then I opened Pandora's box there. Because now it is like, I hear a story from this era.

I hear a story from this decision being made and then i obviously have follow-ups to that and then all of a sudden we're at a point where he ties it back to like who could potentially go number 27 this year i don't think he should but that's probably what will end up happening and he has notes on he's he's still in it right now he is still very much in it completely and here's where you get an added value when you have him on is he can so like let's take alabama for example alabama with the great nick saban he loves to play man-to-man defense he loves it right he wants his corners to cover this year they didn't play as much man-to-man now there's two corners that are going in the first round by a lot of mock drafts

that alabama had played for so where bill's going to be able to kind of tell you what's going on is how does the scheme relate to what we're evaluating and the strength of the player? So if you take Arnold or you take Kool-Aid in the first round, are you really getting a true shutdown man-to-man corner? Because Nick Saban, one of the greatest defensive back coaches and one of the greatest head coaches in college football, He wants to play a lot of men, but yet when he was playing with these guys, they played less men. So what happens often and where Bill will give you guys insight is the tape, the scheme will tell you what they think of the player.

Wait until you see this tape. Wait until you see this tape, Lambeau, that he's put together with NFL Films. I don't know how many hours NFL Films has been grinding away on these, but it is. We got spotlights. We got this. Who they're playing against, too, is another NFL-type person, so we got a good place. It's important because

level of competition is the most important thing in evaluating college. Like, when you're going to hear tomorrow on Thursday, I watched 77 tapes on this player. Well, you wasted your time because it only matters. It's the right tape. I'm not

watching a player play against Drake. I'm watching the player play against NFL players. That's why the senior ball, Al Davis watched the senior ball until it was brutal. It's all we did because it was the level of comp that was so important.

That's really what matters. All these guys that come out there and say, I watched 77 tapes on this guy. Well, you just wasted your time because watching him against some small school, and I hate to criticize the school, it's not relevant. Yeah, we'll go to an irrelevant university. Great

education. Great name. Don't you say that about Indiana. Don't we'll go irrelevant university. Yeah. Great education. IU. Great name. Don't you say that about Indiana. IU if you will. Don't you say that about Indiana. If you will. Don't you. Kurt Cignetti's there.

He's turning around. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the women's basketball team for sure. Everything else, I don't know about it. All right, we'll see. We'll see. They've got NIL money coming. But to your point of what you're saying, whenever somebody tells us that they watch every single

play this person has, we say, well, you seem like a person who manages your time inefficiently is what we should immediately say but yeah what bill is this film that they put together we're literally just seeing it uh i saw like an example of what it could be like two weeks ago and then like maybe another half of one we could also do it this way it's like let's go with this way it seems to be easier they're like we're thinking the same thing. And we haven't really seen them until yesterday. We got 25 of these files yesterday. It's awesome.

It is so awesome. The way he's going to basically lay it out. Like, hey, here's good. Here's also potential in showing plays. And then why the team. I mean, it's going to be. We're going to make society smarter. So far.

Nobody ever says that about us. No. Nobody ever – That's not true. That's not true. Well, we'll see. We'll see. Darius has a question to you about the politics of the game.

Yeah, quarterback. You mentioned how people get caught up on where they're drafted, not necessarily how they're playing. I know fan bases do. And owners, how do the conversations go from the ownership group groups when uh you draft the guy first second third overall maybe you have a bridge guy in there playing decent maybe well like how do those conversations come down from the top like hey we just invested however many dollars in this guy let's get him in there and play him as soon as possible yeah well there's always that pressure

darius from the owner you know he wants to play the rookie and certainly they do and i think ultimately it's really not as much about money it's about we got to make sure we sold the public that we were right with the pick i think that's the key thing right you know i think that's what tennessee's doing right now tennessee wants to show everybody they were right with trading up to get will levis and we don't know the answer that yet we don't know that they believe they're right and trading up to get Will Levis. And we don't know the answer to that yet. We don't know that. They believe they're right. And that's why everybody thinks they're going to take an offensive lineman in the first round. I think they'll take a wide receiver because they're doing everything to make Will Levis a better player. And I think that comes from the ownership. Let's do everything in our power to do that. I think the Eagles did that

this offseason when they signed Saquon Barkley. They said to themselves, look, we have to help Hurts become a better player. And when we do, he can be elite. But when we don't, he's not the same guy. I think that's why the Barkley signing came in play. So a lot of that pressure from the ownership is you've got to, part of this thing about drafting a quarterback is, is what does the team look like after we pick them? See, no one says this in drafting, and I think this is a critical component. You have to ask yourself the question, what has to be right for this pick to be correct? So what that means is what do we have to have perfectly aligned to make this a correct pick? Brock Purdy goes to San Francisco. It was perfectly aligned, and then he became a good pick.

Some guys go to schools. Some guys go to teams that just aren't perfectly aligned. And they get all messed up and their careers fall short. And then they go into the cycle. I think that's got to be the second thing. And then they go into the cycle. That's really the question the owner should be asking. It's not who are we picking.

It's what are we going to do with the player to develop the player within the system. That's the critical component of all draft picks. Well, don't all scouts, they see the greatness, and then the coaches, if they don't pull it out of them, it's the coach's fault. Scouts, we found that. That's the internal problem that goes on, coaches and scouting. It's like, okay, you know, the guy's got great potential, but he doesn't play to it.

Well, there's a reason he doesn't play to it. And you've got to figure it out. These coaches suck. It's the coach's fault fall but it's not all the coaches fault right it's not always that and i'm a personnel guy and i think sometimes you practice coaching i mean that's what happened to us at the raiders all the time we would keep coaching guys we call them guys on scholarship because he wanted to keep them there because they ran fast when in reality they couldn't play okay uh let's talk about people who couldn't play or who could play hembo sent me an interesting stat today

and um it's actually a graph it's last 20 years first round draft picks whether it was a success or a failure at each position they would consider a success a second contract with the team a miss would be doesn't end up with it boom there it is right there so at the very top of that center oh tackle guard okay offensive line has the highest percentage of hit rate now guard is at 50 because sometimes a guard is a center that you thought you could move to a guard and let alone that whole conversation but whenever you look at all the other positions it truly is a roll of the dice on whether or not it's going to work out. Now, some of these guys might have went to another team and

ended up having great success, and what are the outliers in that whole thing? But what the success rate and the hit rate on the first round of the draft is, versus what public perception is every single year when the draft comes, vastly different. There's a lot more busts than there are Canton Hall of Fame busts happening in each

first round. And to that point, Pac-Man's got a question for you. Speaking of that, looking at that graphic right there, this is a deep offensive line draft right here. Do you think it's over or under six linemen get drafted? I think it's over, Pac-Man. I think it is. And I think that graph is really important, right? All we talk about feels

like it's the safest doesn't it feels like it's the safest then you get a solid starter at cheap cheaper money than it costs to the open market it's like today armand saint brown signed a huge contract okay maybe the highest paid receiver in football all right he was drafted in the fourth round tyree kill was drafted in the fifth round you know uh cooper cup was drafted in the fourth round. Tyreek Hill was drafted in the fifth round. You know, Cooper Cupp was drafted in the third round. Now, Justin Jefferson was the fifth receiver picked in the receiver draft, okay? And yet, all we talk about is drafting. You've got to draft these receivers. You've got to draft these receivers when it's the hardest position for scouts and personnel people to evaluate. Why is that? Well, it's because there's no press coverage in college. You don't see the guys separate. And you know, Pac-Man, from playing corner and Darius, that those guys that can't

get away from press don't play. And if they can't separate the top of route, they can't play. But yet all we talk about is drafting these receivers. See, the hardest position to evaluate in football is ones where you can't see the player play the pro game. And that's why the dual player, the tight end, you don't see him block play the pro game. And that's why the dual player, the tight end, you don't see him block, but you take him as a receiver. Well, if he's only a great receiver, if he can beat a linebacker, if they have a linebacker on the field, he's only a great receiver, if he can beat a nickel corner. Then all of a sudden, there's no value in that. You gain no advantage. And so the dual position, run, catch, block, run, those are the hard ones to evaluate.

And that's why that graph is there. And that's why Walsh said long, long ago that wide receiver is the last position you fix on your team until the rest of the team is done. But in today's world, everybody wants more skill. Everybody, oh, we've got to get more. Meanwhile, nobody's paying attention to the league that the highest paid receivers are getting drafted in the second the second and the third day yeah and there's another big contract coming in that wide receiver department go ahead ty yeah lambo in terms of brandon iuk we heard john lynch basically say hey you know out of respect to him i'm not going to

talk about this but we've been working on a contract we want him to be a niner for life but the more we're hearing, Daniel Jeremiah said this morning, all the calls he's getting, he's hearing, hey, Colts, Jags, maybe two teams to look at for trading for Iuke. With that in mind, we also know the Colts are potentially high on Marvin Harrison Jr., maybe trying to trade up to get him. But if that doesn't happen, can you see a situation where we see Brandon Iuke get moved tomorrow to maybe a team like the Colts or the Jags after losing Calvin Ridley? Well, you know, I think this. Here's what nobody wants to talk about is when you trade Ayuk, you're trading him for a player.

Okay? Let's go back in time. The 49ers made a decision that they had two really great defensive tackles, Armstead and DeForest Buckner. They weren't going to sign Buckner to an extension, so they traded him to the Colts. Great trade for the Colts. And they picked Kinlaw. They picked Kinlaw to replace him. So they got five years and a cheaper player, and they hope they got the same player. They didn't. It failed. So now if you trade Iyuk to say, say you trade them to the colts okay what receiver are you going to get that's better than iuk at the 12th pick or 15th pick of the draft you got to put a name there

you've got to put a name in that group right you have to put a name that you could say this guy's better than or equal to but we're getting a cheaper contract i don't think you could say that in this draft once the three receivers go then you've got a lot of other question marks and you're better off trading down and getting more of them like Green Bay has done. Like for example, you know, Christian Watson's picked in the second round. Drake London got picked in the same draft in the first round. The Packers wouldn't trade Watson for London. He's a better player. So you have to take a look at that. And that's where the 49ers have to make that decision. Like if we trade Brandon Ayuk, we have to take a look at that and that's where the 49ers have to make that decision like if we trade brandon iuk we have to get a player equal to or better than and how is that

in this draft because all draft picks have names attached to them they're just not out there as ones they become a name and they become a player who's that player going to be as good as him i i think that's where lynch is in a problem because he knows he can't replace him in this draft with a player well i think the good news is though he might be an annapolis colt bad news is amal ross st brown just signed for nearly 30 million a year so that's uh immediately what you're gonna have to go if you want to you're gonna have to pay them right you know look they got debo they pay a ton of money to you just if you want to pay them maybe they decide to trade debo i i don't know you know they're gonna have to do something now here's the advantage they have.

They have a quarterback on a rookie contract. Well, I didn't think about Debo getting traded there, because Debo of the Colts is great, too. Yeah. Absolutely. I love everything, and I'm sure Debo's like, wait a minute. I literally just signed my name. I'm leading the way out in the bump box here. Too much money

in the wide receiver room if I'm the coach. I would not free either one of those guys. I agree, Darius. I agree. Everybody talks about it. The number 30s ranks 32nd team in the National Football League in terms of money in the wide receiver room are the Green Bay Packers, and they have a really good receiver room.

It's been proven over time that when you can draft young receivers in the second third and fourth round and develop them look at aj brown second round devo's second round i mean you can do it like to put everybody wants you like all these mock drafters that all they do is put more this is the first day belichick walked into the cleveland browns in 1991 you can ask him this story and he looked at our draft board and he saw 77 receivers up there on the draft board. He almost had a heart. I mean, you're telling me that all these guys are going to play wide receivers?

I mean, it was that day forward the board got wiped out. That day forward, it never looked the same. Never looked the same. It's a crazy game, though, because it's like the top ones are game changers. Like Tyree Kill. If you can get Tyree Kill on your team, you're going to pay him. Yeah, fifth round pick, but I'm saying they're paying him right now.

He's getting 30. I have to pay him. Look, I'm all for paying him. What I'm not all for is taking the risk of drafting him when they're not number one receivers. I would draft him second, third, and fourth. I'm all for that. I'm just not, especially when you put that chart up, when there's a 27% chance of a hit, like you're taking the position that has the most risk to it. Plus the other thing,

are you sure we're getting a number one receiver? If I'm picking in the top 10, I want a number one. I want the defense to say, you got to roll the coverage to him. You roll the coverage to Tyreek, you roll the coverage to Jefferson. That's what I want. I don't want a guy that's just good. Michael Pittman was at the top of the second. He's a good player. He's our best player. No offense to anybody else on our team, Michael Pittman shows up every day and he is our guy.

He doesn't say a word, a peep. He's working. We're doing our thing. He's like the best Colt we have. Yeah, truly. DeForest Buckner, we can add in there for sure kenny moore i mean since you know the whole contract thing happened he's been phenomenal but michael pitman jr is like our dude he's in the second round so what you're saying is why are we wasting a top 10 pick if he's not our number one

guy if he's gonna be a number two guy we might be able to find a number two guy. That's right. And three or four potentially in here. If we're an outright one, if it's game record, game focus, we spend top 10, top 20 pick on that. But you can get an offensive lineman up there that won't be in second or third round because of size, things like that. I mean, they're great. They're explosive players. They definitely can change the game.

But they are also a position you can take out of a game. You can roll the cover. Think about Bill. Like, hey, let me put my second best corner on him and put a safety over the top and then force you to beat me with that wide receiver, two or three guy. And if you look even historically, like the game's the best receivers of all time. A lot of them don't have chips. You know what I mean? Great players, but a lot of you look at the top probably eight all time. Over half of them probably don't have a chip in that position. You want your quarterback,

you want the running back. We need Richardson to be our best coach. We need Jonathan Taylor to be our best coach. I love Pittman, but when the rubber really meets the road, those guys can be taken out. If you were to speak to the people from the Caucus Mountains, chip would be a championship? Yes. Okay. Just to make sure.

We didn't know it was chip on a shoulder. Or a potato chip. Or a potato chip. You know, chip blocks. Chip blocks. Yeah. Talking about championship. Chip a person. Yeah, and everybody's trying to get a championship.

And that's the goal of the draft is to add a couple pieces to your team that can lead you to the champion chip. That number three overall pick is a massive conversation, but the number two overall pick was a huge piece of conversation there for a bit. Seemingly had like a week and a half where it was the hot thing to talk about. Connor's got a question for you, Lambeau. Yeah, Lambeau, the Commanders did their top 30 visit at Topgolf, and I'm not sure if you saw that or heard anything about it,

but future New England Patriots quarterback Drake May actually talked about it on a podcast, and this is what he had to say. How did you view the Commander's Top Golf? Yeah. And that whole thing. I just thought it was one of the cool videos I've been on. I think, you know, we always kind of do different places you go and see, kind of a steak dinner spot, and, you know,

just you're surrounded with, you know, the head coach and GM and quarterback coaches. And then the Commander's took an approach of all of us being together and seeing how we interact and getting a chance to swing the golf club a little bit. I enjoyed it. You know, be around the other guys. I got to meet a lot of different guys throughout the process.

And a lot of, you know, guys I saw in high school recruiting. I remember Mary Schmanz. I tried to get them committed to Alabama when I was committed there in high school. Again, full circle. I knew JJ well and seeing Jaden and those guys was, I think it was a really cool experience for me. I think we all got our separate time with the coaches when we need to.

It's not like we didn't do any of that, but Topgolf was just a way for us to get out and do something fun the evening before. Were you the best golfer there? I like to say I was, I think I had the best swing. So I think I was hitting it pretty good. But JJ McCarthy was hitting it well as well. Okay, good. Paul was hitting it well. swing. So I think I was hitting it pretty good. But JJ McCarthy was hitting it well as well. Okay, good.

If Paul was hitting it well, the aisle tied in. He was hitting it pretty good. But you thought it was just a good, different experience to kind of meet the guys. Yeah, something that changed it up. I thought it was pretty sweet. I mean, Hosser's great. Yeah, unbelievable. And Drake May, I mean, the deep voice, the smile.

What can you say? He's clearly the guy. Yeah, no doubt about it. But, Lomb. What can you say? He's clearly the guy. No doubt about it. But, Lambo, when you were in buildings, is this something? He's not there, is he? We just lost him. Okay. Okay.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have lost Lambo. No. Live in a sports book. That's Vegas, baby. That is Vegas, baby. Sometimes you just lose guys. He's got Circa behind him. Circa is the big one, right?

Yes. That's the one with the stadium pool. That thing looks, baby. Sometimes you lose guys. He's got Circa behind him. Circa is the big one, right? Yes. That's the one with the stadium pool. That thing looks so sweet. Every once in a while, we'll get a picture from somebody that's there, and they'll have our show on what appears to be a TV that's about 80 yards wide. And I always think to myself, it should not be that big ever anywhere, but also that's a sweet place to be on a TV. So good for Circa.

I almost said for killing it. But speaking of killing it, a man lost his service. He has gained it again. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardo. Lombo, you saw that whole video

and Conor basically added it with his voice, his smile. He's got a perfect golf swing. He's seemingly the guy going to New England. So Conor's all jacked up at three. But what are your thoughts

on the entire commander's visit and the hubbub that ended up surrounding it afterwards Lambeau? Well I think it's you know you always want to put players in a position to see their true level of competition and how they interact one of the things we did in Cleveland and because of the great Gil Brand who this will be the first draft, the Dallas Cowboys former president, vice president, won't be with us. And we would go to, we would send somebody to the Biltmore Hotel. Actually, Jim Schwartz one year went down there and it was the Playboy All-American pitcher taking session. And all these players came in from all over the country to kind of mingle around and they would play all different games down there. and Schwartz never wore anything that said Cleveland Browns or that he was an NFL executive he just observed I still have his

notes and it's incredible to watch the players compete in those settings which then tells you how competitive they'll be in your setting and when they know no one's watching them the true the true player comes out right they're not putting on an act for you. And I think that that's what the Washington team was trying to do was to see how they interact, how they help their teammates. Are they team friendly? Are they team, you know, worthwhile? And what their level of competition is, even though the game is different than the one they're going to play.

So it kind of can be a little bit revealing and you take notes on it because when they feel like they're being interviewed, you get interviewed answers because they're all prepped to give you that. They go to these prep things and everybody trains them on how to give an answer. Whereas if you could put them in an unnatural setting, you can probably see some of their true characteristics come out. I think we probably assume Jaden Danos can't golf for shit. Yeah. If I couldn't golf, you put me in a top golf? And you got Drake May, J.J. McCarthy.

They're clearing the net. Yeah, J.J.'s a hockey guy. Drake been golfing his whole life. It's a good opportunity to go grab a golf ball and throw it in the hole then. If you can't hit it with the club, go pick it up with your hands. No, there's so many different ways. Not with his elbow. Because you think about if he gets better.

Yeah, he needs to watch how small it is. But if at the beginning he has Not his elbow. Because you think about if he gets better. Yeah, he needs to watch it how small it is. But if at the beginning he has no idea and he watches a couple and he gets good, it's like, okay, this guy, quick learner. There's a way you can kind of utilize any situation to your benefit, of course. But if you get dropped in there and you're watching JJ and Drake

just smoke balls and then you step up in front of 28 people, let those guys top it right into the board. You topple and you're done for. Boom, boom. You fall into the net, Bombo. What if Jaden Daniels

does this? What you want to see is his focus and concentration on the next. Forget the result. The result's insignificant. You want to see his determination and his focus because if he wants he wants to compete with his fellow guy that's really important that's important you know like what i can show you i mean when schwartz went down there ray lewis was the most competitive person and he organized everybody and you could and he wrote wrote it back and so you could see

their how they handle it in that environment and it's really good i love that i i like seeing people be humans now jane daniel's agent hello emoji off yes yeah he said one of these you know and i never heard of 20 people going to one visit before. I didn't really know about these visits because I was never chatting about being in the first round and never really paid attention to it much. I saw Andrew in the building and things like that, but I didn't think about it as much until I got into this particular world of the entire thing. And it's like, I wouldn't mind seeing them in a group. You got a dude from Iowa right there.

You got Jayden Daniels, who's been to Arizona State and LSU. You got Drake May, who's just Southern. You got a lot of different people probably right there. You've got Jaden Daniels who's been to Arizona State and LSU. You've got Drake May who's just Southern. You've got a lot of different people probably in there. How do they all get along? Who likes who? Are people likable?

Because that's a massive piece of the pie of being a great NFL player is like, can you fit into a locker room? How's that going to go? And I know it's one night, it's at Topgolf

and it might be uncomfortable, but immediately upon hearing it, I thought you could probably see who's probably going to be a good locker room person and who's not who's clicking up together how's that going who like you like I think you can pick that stuff up it makes sense yeah if it works for them and if it doesn't nobody will ever do this again that's that's kind of I think it will work it does it's like when you go on a recruiting visit in college and they put you with a teammate and you go out and party and hang out,

you know, and that kind of gets you a sense about what this kid's going to be like. You want to kind of know. And I think that because when they're being watched, they're going to behave in a manner that they are. But when they're not being watched, you're going to get the real personality. Rich Rod heard a great story about me immediately upon. I went out with George Shell. You remember George Shell?

George Shell is the holder for West Virginia, like mayor of West Virginia. Knew everybody. Every bar owner. He knew everybody. Great at shaking hands, kissing babies. He might be a politician at this point. I'm not even 100% sure. He was my host.

We had it. I mean, we had it. I was in like six different places. We had a blast. And then I was asked the next day, I didn't look. I was a little tired. I was a little exhausted. I think it was a good thing.

Yeah, I think it helped in the entire conversation as opposed to the other one. Because George Shell, I think, put me over in a pretty big way. I would love to hang out with the guy. We had about 12 hours together. Drinking times. We had 50 beers. George Shell is now what? He is a Yeah, there he is

West Virginia Yeah, he's in West Virginia still Yeah, this guy is Looks like a mayor Yeah, could be West Virginia State Yeah, with I think there's a couple other guys from

Quincy Woods down there Yeah, your era of team I think they're kind of coaching that entire squad But Handshaker We got after it I mean, we got after it. I mean we got awesome I did not we ended up at a rougher like the original rough and rowdy which is Or those called out in middle of the woods with the old fights used to be called

I don't know we had a time though. It was a blast and I couldn't wait to get there I think that's good. You want to see those guys? That's how to call it Yeah That's how to college a lot of college visits where he usually come with kind of Corners or the whatever groups even my top college visits were. You usually come with kind of corners or whatever groups. Even my top 30 visits were similar. You go there with the guys who are probably going to be first or second round pick, just see how everybody interacts.

And you can tell who sucks, I think. Yeah, and it was a little different before because now I feel like these guys know each other a lot more with all the camps and social media and different things. Back in 2009, the first time I saw Vontae, you've got to rest your soul, Malcolm Jenkins, these guys were like the combine. You kind of eyeing each other down, you know, I saw, you know, Vontae, you got to rest his soul, Malcolm Jenkins. These guys was like the combine. You kind of eyeing each other down, you know, looking them up and down. And you're obviously interacting. Even in that competitive state, you're still, you know, encouraging each other,

rooting each other on, calling it up, all that type of shit. So, you know, at that point, to Lambeau's point, all that stuff is being watched. Topgolf. That's a good spot. Yeah, perfect for it. Because you got a lot of privacy. You get a couple of them bays. Oh, yeah. You lock down a couple of them bays. You's a good spot? Yeah, perfect for it. Because you've got a lot of privacy. You get a couple of them bays.

Oh, yeah. You lock down a couple of them bays. You've got a whole side. You've got people bringing food. You're kind of, I mean, there is a sport competition. And even if you suck, there's some things you can do to like run up the numbers a little bit. It's not a bad concept.

I hope it works. Yeah. I hope this becomes the new norm. Because then we'll start hearing like some stories out of these things about who's real, who's a good teammate, who's not a good teammate. Because I think the chemistry in a locker room doesn't get looked at as highly as it should be whenever it comes to building a team. And if you bring in a piece of trash, that piece of trash is going to expose the other potential pieces of trash. And then all of a sudden you've got a shitty locker room. And if the locker room

doesn't get along, you're never going to be worth a shit, I think, personally. That's why the Bears let their teammates go out with Caleb Williams. They wanted to see what his connectivity

is to the team. His ability to play quarterback really isn't something that anybody's concerned about. It's what is his connectivity to the team. And at the most important position, the team has to like

the starting quarterback. The team has to feel like they're going to play at a higher level for him. Isn't that so real? That is so real. When Jalen Hurts was sitting by himself on the side of the bench this year, it was affecting the team. When

Kyla Murray did the same thing, it affects the team. The quarterback has to bring the team together. And if you don't have that, all of a sudden, you really don't have the talent that the player brings to the table. It's not just quarterback, though, either. It's not just quarterback, either. If you have a couple other positions that have just negative energies, it's like this is not going to be good.

The teams that win like each other. I will say that. Last question here from Tone Diggs. Lombardi? Yeah, Lombardi. I have a question about the draft process. So, we heard from Bean and we've heard from Coach Belichick and you that there's not

32 first-round grades for these guys, okay? In this draft, there might be 16 to 20. So, for those teams that are sitting 20 to 25, let's say the Steelers are sitting at 20, okay? If there's a run, they need tackle and they need center, okay? If there's a run on all the tackles and all the tackles are gone that they like

and there's no center that's worth a first-round grade at 20, how do you know if you'd be aggressive and trade up to, say, get one of those tackles or you are sitting there at 20 and there's not a guy that you have a first-round grade in and you trade back? How do you know? At what point in the draft on Thursday will they know, hey, we need to move up and get a tackle potentially, or we can move back and maybe get a center later on that's more to the value of that position?

I think they'll know right when the Chargers pick. What the Chargers do, if they take offensive linemen and there goes to be a run on them, if Tennessee doesn't take one, they'll have a sense. They'll know really by the 8th, 9th, or 10th pick in the draft what they need to do when they can sense the run based on, as you have on the side of your board those team needs right and so they can pretty much get a fairly good indication and omar khan will be able to say you know let's let's trade up to get this guy it only cost us x amount

again we're back to the value chart to make sure we get that guy and i think that's what they do they did it last year with bill with jones the the Georgia tackle. So you kind of know it. Now, if they get the 20, when you get the 20 and there's no one left, then you no longer are looking at a position. You're looking at what's the best player on the board, what can give us the most value. And if we trade back, you don't worry about what position. You know you're going to be in a cluster of players.

And this is where the horizontal board comes in, is you're in a cluster of players that this is where the horizontal board comes in is you're in a cluster of players that determines what you pick we're gonna hey we got the verticality and the horizontalness of the draft board with the magnet i mean that'll be displayed it'll be great 7 30 eastern tomorrow night the kickoff to the draft spectacular hosted by bill belichick he'll be there we go i'll be hosting it alongside me and toneone Diggs, I believe. 30 minutes, we'll be talking about everything that's probably going to happen throughout the draft.

And then special surprise guest, making his first of like three appearances throughout the evening. Is Mad Mel going to be there too? I'd like to see some Mad Mel. Yeah, who's that? Lambo, look at the graphic, Lambo. Right there. That's what I thought I saw over there in the corner.

That's what I thought I saw. All right, I appreciate the hell out of you. Good luck on V-Sync. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi. I love whenever he comes on. Just so much chatting.

Also, he was prepping us for what tomorrow's going to be. As you were saying some things, I'm like, oh, I hadn't expected that or thought about that. Tomorrow's going to be awesome. Yeah, so pumped. It's going to be like appointment television. I think so things i'm like oh i hadn't expected that or thought about that tomorrow's going to be awesome yeah so punk it's gonna be like appointment television oh yeah i think so well it's on the internet correct and facebook and also we're still going to be there so there's going to be a lot of assholery yeah of course it's that people are going to have to sift through to get to the good stuff but hey welcome to the program welcome you got to sift through the to get to the good stuff it's in there though yeah you just got to

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32 guys are drafted to play in the NFL and live their dream of being a professional football player. Who will go on to change the course of not only their family, but maybe a franchise forever? And who will go on to be selling insurance in a couple years? Saying, I had a cup of coffee in the NFL. Stats say a lot more than we give credit for. Although we're all expecting them to be all pros and hall of famers there is a reality to the situation a lot of these guys might stink in the NFL does not mean that they stink in pickup football no or in college football or that their football careers were failures are failures no no no they're great football players but the men's league is a little bit different sport they play different there's different strategy there's

different style there's different physicality there play different. There's different strategy. There's different style. There's different physicality. There's different speed. There's different everything. And now these teams are trying to project who will be able to make the transition in a beautiful way. As we sit here in the middle of rumor city for this NFL draft, people are going to be saying things, trying to earn favor with media members, maybe for the future. We're going to hear lies. We're going to hear bullshit. We're going to hear truth. And next time we talk about this particular draft, we're going to have

Bill Belichick join. That is so stupid to think about. I can't wait for it. The Talks Table is here. At Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer. Cowboys Tone Diggs is here. Adam Pacman Jones is here looking incredibly fly. Oh, yeah. Shoes, these might be my favorite shoes of yours,

even though you have thousands and thousands of shoes. These might be my favorite there. You look very fresh today, Pac-Man. I appreciate that, my brother. And we got a performance tonight in? Nashville. Okay, and we're doing how many songs? Four.

We're coming out. Energy. Yeah, SOB, starting on business. Oh, right, to start how many songs? Four. We're coming out. Energy. Yeah, it's so beef. Starting on business. Oh, right to start this entire thing. Okay, and then Mary Jane to wrap it up? Mary Jane to wrap it up. Okay.

We need some rap beef. You beef with anybody? No. I don't got no beef. That's good. A good friend of mine told me I don't need no beef. It's this track season. Oh, well, now I could do that. But once you do that, you got to remember,

never know who you're picking. Yeah, you open the battle. Because what if that person just becomes obsessive for the rest of your life? Now you got to deal. You go after Lil Mabu, I think you're good. Lil Mabu. He might take himself out.

He's fake shooting stuff. That's Darius J. Butler trying to put Pac-Man into some shit. Hey, numbers are going big for rap by the way the diddy convo was the convo yeah and the rap game and now all of a sudden it's just like we got beefs with all the all the people you know in rap yeah interesting our beef and the numbers are going oh isn't that a little weird feels like a little yeah just a little weird like hey i don't whatever it is i don't care we got rick ross back we We got Drake back. We got a lot of great, I hope they all,

I hope they all make up. Yeah. Stay safe out there. Everybody makes up. Yeah, sure. But as a fan of said music, old school music, like, hey, I'm going to go

and I'm going to go in this weight room with my guy, Rick Ross and probably Jeezy, who's never, he's always, Jeezy's the most consistent. You can, we're going to go take over the world. He's always. Jeezy's the most consistent.

We're going to go take over the world together, pal, rapper. But those days are seemingly coming back right now, and I love it. I wouldn't want to be a part of it. No. No, no, no. I wouldn't want to be a part of it, but love that it's back. Pac, you keep going. Hey, let's go, Pac. Guy who takes over the NFL, becomes All-Pro, 12 years at corner,

and then also has an incredibly successful music career. After it doesn't happen a lot, you're an anomaly, pal. Don't ever forget it. Speaking of anomaly, best jawline in history sports media. College football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, current president of the state of Ohio. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawke. Hawker!

Hawker, how you doing, pal? Great pack. That jacket is legit. Did you get that from the Bengals when you were there? No, Starter sent me this jacket. Oh. I got about five or six of those from my time in Cincy for my one year there. I made sure I mopped up. I mean, let's put Starter back in the conversation.

That little three-quarter zip or whatever it was. Bruce had one on yesterday. Yeah, the big patch. Yeah, Bruce had the Knicks one on yesterday. Jimmy Johnson back in the day. That was every human. Oh, yeah. Those were the best.

It was. Bring that style back. It was reasonably priced. It is back. They were super reasonably priced. On the sideline. And you don't need to get your own teams. You can just grab an obscure one.

I remember I had a Raptors one because it was purple, black, and red. It was awesome. I had that Johns one, too. I had the Penguins one. It was the Penguins one. Good one. black, and red. It was awesome. I had that Giants one, too. I had the Penguins one. It was the Penguins one. Good one. Yeah, Penguins one was cool. I still have a Penguins one.

Also, they had the greatest zipper that you could chew on all the time, too. Yes, the massive star zipper. Yeah. You guys could have a binky. Yeah. You guys had a binky. Yeah. I know what you guys were talking about.

Oh, it's just cool because that thing doesn't get caught on anything. Yeah, and then you just – I'm not doing that. It's like my 11-month-old. I'm not doing that. I'm saying that zipper style is the best. No, it's just cool because that thing doesn't get caught on anything. Yeah, and then you just – It's like my 11-month-old. I'm not doing that. I'm saying that zipper style is the best. Yeah, it's past time. If adult binkies were in, I'd do it for sure.

I mean, AJ does it. Bring them in. Make them in. He does the jaw – Yeah, that's an adult binkie. Jaw's their size. I'm not a binkie. That is a binkie.

I guess it is. Yeah, it is. You're right. Yeah, you are. You are. I do. I do, Tony. I appreciate that.

Thank you. Are you still doing that pinky or no? Yeah. I have one right like in my, like where my sink is where I brush my teeth and everything. So I put that little thing in there and wash it off. Smart. Yeah, I get it. So.

I can't break my new teeth. I know where you're going for this. It's not going to break them. Okay. All right. That's all. Hey, you're reading my mind. These are mine now.

These are mine now. Yeah. Because the jaw has been with you your whole life these teeth have not been through everything that the jaw has been through you know what that jaw and forehead and hairline and attack has done to other people's teeth oh boy you know they haven't been able to survive my own too and lost some lost some good men out there, some good teeth out there. Okay. It's a big reason why I got these guys. So I didn't know if these new guys have been able to handle it, you think? Yeah, but I'm not playing in the NFL right now without a mouthpiece.

I don't know if that would be smart. But, yeah, right now I'm okay. You think these teeth could have handled the NFL days? You think these teeth could have handled old school? I asked them. I asked them. Oh, Dr. Patel. I asked him about this. Well, I'm glad you're not playing

anymore. Those teeth are cut and busted in half. One tune at practice. One practice head to head. Number 30. One day before the draft, AJ, Shrakes came out this morning with

a massive, massive shot about how there's going to be 10 or more trades in the first round, which will be a record. Obviously, previous record is nine. So it is a convenient number for our friend Schrags to put out. But Schrags has been very accurate in the past about how these drafts roll out. Only second to Daniel Jeremiah, truly. And you can put Schrags above Daniel Jeremiah, I think,

a few years back. So there is a lot of chatter, a lot of bullshit. Amon Ross, St. Brown just signed a massive deal. So what does that mean for trades for Iuke? Potentially draft night going into the future. What are you expecting for tomorrow, AJ? And where do you sit as we're a little over 24 hours out?

Well, first off, I hope he's right. I hope there is 10 trades. i don't know if there will get to be that many but when's the first one so like when does it all kick off you think when when we feel like okay this might be a wild draft what pick is that yeah i mean four and five have been shopped you know i have allegedly four has been shopped uh not as much though and five has potentially been chatted about even though hardball has come out and said oh i won the lottery we have the actual number one overall, which is why everybody was saying he was pushing for J.J. so loudly. Because if four quarterbacks go one, two, three, four, he's at five.

He doesn't need a quarterback, obviously, with Herbert. He's got the pick of any other – he's got the best player in the draft. The odds there have moved significantly for the Chargers to draft a quarterback with their first pick. Well, for five to be a quarterback. Like, J.J. McCarthy's the favorite to go five. Number five overall. No, I saw Chargers

first pick quarterback. Why would they do that? I don't know. It was a report I saw on CTSPN a few days ago. Hey, he's been leaking stuff. Would you shoot a thousand shots a day a couple?

You've been blocked. You've been blocked. Not by CT. Yeah, you have been blocked. By AB84, yes. Okay, well, those are one and the same. Are they the same guys running football? That's an honor. It usually goes the other way around, so that's an honor.

He got blocked by you? Yeah, that's an honor. Same umbrella. It usually goes the other way around, so that's an honor. That he got blocked by you? Usually it's A.B. getting blocked by me. Yeah, that's headline news. Yeah. Caitlin Clark. Yeah, I was blocked years ago. Anyways, I don't know about the Chargers taking the quarterback. That would be an interesting hello from Jim Harbaugh to Justin Herbert

as a quarterback himself saying, this is what we're going to do. Yeah, you're safe, but are you? You know, to Justin Herbert. I don't think that would happen, but maybe he trades out because quarterbacks go on a run early through top five. But, like, I think I like where the Cardinals are sitting. If I was to look at this draft just objectively,

Cardinals are in such a beautiful spot because they've invested in Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray is our future, okay? They're saying there's at least maybe six first-round quarterbacks this year. So, four, you're right in the middle of that. Who knows who's going to be left? Who knows what's real or not?

I think they're going to be able to get quite a bargain. And if they're not able to move, Chargers potentially can get quite a bargain, depending on if they want to move or not. But they need a receiver.

Oh, yeah. I wouldn't move it. Well, the receiver thing, though, with, like, what Lambeau was saying earlier, if you get a couple picks now, yeah. I wouldn't move it. Well, the receiver thing, though, with like what Lombo was saying earlier, if you get a couple picks now later, you can maybe take a couple shots at guys that aren't. You can still take – if you think Marv's guy going, who would be four, and if you say you're trading back to ten,

there's still a chance you could get Neighbors or Dunzey at ten. Like if you feel – Bowers. Yeah, or Brock. But, yeah, if you feel similar about those three receivers, and you can move down a couple picks, like say the Giants want to move up two picks or whatever to get a quarterback or whatever,

those receivers are still going to be there at six. What was Rapp saying, though? He doesn't see a lot of movement happening up there. Same network. Those two work for the same network. Yeah, how's that? Is Shrank still in? He's not even in any buildings anymore.

No, he's not. Remember, they shut down the show. Yeah, it's gone. They shut down the show. They don't even lease that space anymore, do they? Great space. Good view. Great space. I don't even think they used the view ever, did they? They do some funny

gimmicks in the little kitchen over there in the corner that we used to always go in for breakfast. That wasn't our food. Do not touch. Ever. Do not touch. You guys can have the scraps that were just to feed to the rats if you want, but don't you dare come grab a muffin before Shrakes has his. That is actual

actually happened and it wasn't from anybody that it was like from a 22 year old that was working as a probably production assistant for Good Morning Football. Job was to guard their food in the green room area.

We happened to be on the same floor as them. That green room area also kind of our break area as well. Nobody else had really been in there but the Good Morning Football people when they were there. That was an extra room for them. We were just in their way. At all times.

Grab the cinnamon raisin bagel one time because it looked delicious. You put that. Put it back. Put it back right there. They saw you do it. It was the first time a cinnamon raisin one was available because the only ones that have been available are like the ass bagels. Yeah, sure. You know those ones.

The butt. Yeah. And also the ones that taste like ass. Right. Onion bagel. Yeah, all of it. I remember when they moved our section over so we wouldn't get confused anymore. Yeah.

It was like at the table next to it, but they were like, we actually moved it across the room now. Yeah, it was like a smoking section from back in the day. We had a corner. Yeah. But they were there every single day. They were. They were. And there's nobody else there ever except for them.

It's like, I can see how you get pretty comfortable. And then we drop in there and it's like, what do we got over here? Well, and that was the bang era, too. So our breakfast was basically four cans of bang and a bag of peanuts. And it was like, all right, here we go. Let's get after it. What was the Celsius heat era? That was when we were driving back to the—

Tampa? Yeah, Tampa. That was Tampa. It was the Tampa era. Celsius heat. Because that's when you had to stop drinking them because you got up on the chair drinking the— In the Tampa. It almost died.

It almost died. Yeah, it almost died. I was having those heats those seats were like diesel celsius you remember those aj yeah were you dumping your pants you're saying you're like you're all jittery my worst head rush of all time yeah i like stood up in the thunderdome there's no fans there's literally two people in the entire arena just me and michael cole with these and i get up to do something and i stood up and i had had three of these heats that day, which is definitely. Right on the side of the can, like do not exceed one in one day. It might have been after draft. It might have been the day after draft spectacular

because you're up to, what, 6 a.m. with the draft with how long that damn thing is. And then you go right into the next day, and I stand up, and I start going bananas. And I, like, first time in my life i'm like oh like i'm a fat i'm gonna pass out right now i started seeing things i started getting woobly i'm like i almost killed michael cole and then i come back to it and i'm like oh i'm down thank god and i said i'm gonna never do another heating it was the heat it was my body telling me yeah it's the heat but

you gotta stop doing this but it kept us alive michael cole would have caught you celsius that's the one energy drink and i've tried a billion of them like have caught you. Celsius, that's the one energy drink and I've tried a billion of them. That makes me not feel great. That's the only one. I don't want to say nothing bad to them. It's just there's something about it. Yeah, we're not saying that that's for everybody.

People love it. Actually, there's some flavors I actually love. It's the couple that I just don't enjoy the most. But some people will go crazy for that. I'm doing a coffee now. It's a big step in my life. Yeah, it's great, right? Hot coffee, you mean?

Yeah, espresso martini kind of opened up the eyes a little bit. Yeah, it was a little gateway drug. Let's talk about it. Now the Bucks order is getting a coffee in it, the whole thing. I'm becoming completely basic white male right now. Drinking my coffee, an espresso martini, heading to Detroit to see those letters

on the side of that one highway. Are we going to see that, Pac? Have you seen this? No. Oh my god, Pac-Man, they went and did the Hollywood sign in Detroit. Way better. The Hollywood sign? Way better. Blow your socks off, Pac.

Pac-Man, buckle up. Because what they showed the city whenever they approved this thing versus what actually happened is out of a movie. A movie about how Detroit has handled a lot of things over the last 70 years probably. Yes. This is what the street sign. They got that in there. Okay?

That's happening right now in Detroit. Balding man there is taking a photo for the local newspaper. They got that in there. That's happening right now in Detroit. Balding man there is taking a photo for the local newspaper. The Detroit Free Press is getting a good photo of the D to E to T to R to O to I and the T going up right on the side of a highway. This is what it was supposed to look like. Yeah.

Think about that. Which one do you think looks better, Pac? Be honest. Which one looks better? One better, Pac? Be honest. Which one looks better? What do you mean? One on the left. For sure. Wow.

What are we even talking about here? The one on the right is pretty subtle. They really nailed it. The one on the right has some subtlety to it that you just don't get with the one on the left. You can literally see all the welds on the one on the right from here. The one on the right is the old Detroit Lions. Yeah. The one on the left is the old Detroit Lions. Yes. The one on the left

is the brand new Lions. And somehow, the reality of the football world is the one on the left, but it seems like the reality of Detroit, the city, is the one on the right. Yep.

Is the city not able to catch up to the brand new Lions, or is the entire city also in a good spot, just like the Lions, Foxy? What are we showing up to? Because that one on the right, to say Mickey Moss would be disrespectful to Mickey Moss

shit. The right's growing on me. Thank you. It's kind of cool. Understated. You know, just simple. Gritty. It's Bushley. No, it's Bushley. This is the most Detroit. This is the old Lions. Yeah, exactly. Everyone is saying it's the most Detroit thing ever,

and that's why I said yesterday, Sheila Fordham, who birthed the brand-new Lions, should have took her money, the Ford money, and she should have built this sign like the one on the left, and then everyone would have been happy. How much more does this lady got to give? How much more does this lady got to give? She just paid a wide receiver $120 million.

She doesn't have it. Yeah, why can't the city say, you know what, Sheila Fordham, for what you did to the Lions, we're going to do the same for the city. We're going to put up something cool. Instead, we got the inflatable. Actually, yeah, you bring up a good point. She's the reason the draft is in Detroit. She probably said, hey, just do one nice thing for me.

And the city is fired on. Maybe it's motivation. Maybe they're like, hey, look, we want to do the big letters, but we have three teams that suck ass in one good team now. We can't just do that. Maybe once the Red Wings go back to the playoffs, they make the letters a little bigger. And then if the Detroit Tigers and the Detroit Pistons kind of come back,

then they make them even bigger. And then eventually, when the city is in a complete dump, then they have the massive playoff. Oh, and they do it like those things where you open up inside of it. Bingo. It just keeps building over top. Exactly. And then it'll inevitably have a flat hill as opposed to going downhill in this entire thing. I was

told, someone tweeted me and said there are flowers around it now, so I bet it looks a lot better. The total amount of the contract is $425,000. Okay, so it wasn't millions of dollars. Okay, it was just $425,000 they stole from the city. In Detroit, that is that much money

in the 70s, though. You know what I mean? It's not just $425,000. That's $425,000,000. So what happened, though? They showed that initial plan and they basically said, yeah, we have $430,000. That happened, though? They showed that initial plan, and they basically said, yeah, we have $430,000.

That's going to cost $2 billion. So let's tone it down a little bit. Actually, you know what? That looks great. Here's my idea of what we can do with the money allotted. See, the letters are up and to the right. Kind of cool. Have they spray-painted dongs on it yet?

No. Not before the draft. Detroit knows. We've got a lot of eyes on it yet? No. Not before the draft. Detroit knows. We've got a lot of eyes on it. Downtown is nice. Downtown is nice. It's just there in January. It's great.

I'm looking forward to it. Oh, yeah. Everybody's pumped to get to Detroit. Nobody is as pumped as Reggie Bush. Ladies and gentlemen, it has been decided that reggie bush will get his rightfully earned heisman from 2005 we are pumped that this decision was made because it was made by a group of people who normally get shit wrong and it's not that it was the ncaa but it's the same style of human being who have been hard-nosed and stubborn and refuse to look at the reality and the logical

situation in front of them and just say this is an easy one this guy was the best player in fucking football this dude whenever he was at usc was not only must see tv but he was an attraction for tickets the prices to go watch this dude live were three four x he was like what caitlin clark was for women's basketball for college football. Reggie Bush, anytime you got to watch a game, you knew there was some ridiculous highlight coming, there was some shake coming, and there was going to be a cross-field cutback

where he's going to run 700 yards for an 85-yard touchdown. And to your point, whenever he would cut back across the entire field, that would set up for massive shots. So you've got people getting blown up. Matt Leinart, obviously a stud as well. Pete Carroll was enjoyable as hell to watch on the side.

It's just like, this is the right move. And I'm happy they made this decision, but obviously they should have done this 15 years ago, whenever this all kind of got settled and figured out what it actually was. What an electrifying player, AJ. I mean, to be able to, like i played against reggie in the league not in college but i i think i'm actually yeah i'm the same draft class same age as reggie pretty much yeah like it was a special time when these dudes were in college when usc was rolling back then like i mean that's where usc is trying to get back to but i said the whole time when they take reggie's heisman away like

okay they didn't gift it to somebody else you still want it you still earned it it's yours forever but now it's good that it's officially like back in his hands well they tried to give it to vince young allegedly and vince young refused to take it because he understood that it was reggie's uh uh reggie's heisman and i think like i would i graduated high school 2005 was in college the same exact time pat white steve slayton were absolutely electrifying and i want to see but we all had respect obviously for what reggie was doing so much so that like you become a fan immediately of all the highlights you see of him i'm punting to him in a super bowl he's on the saints yeah whoa and i'm like literally shit in my pants i'm like i've seen this guy just

shake the shit out of actual athletes in the middle of super bowl most eyes in the history at the time i gotta send a ball down to this dude. His NFL career didn't work out to be everything that everybody had expected. But literally, he would have had to play for 20 years in the NFL, score 100 touchdowns in every other season for it to live up to the hype that it was. And now he's the rightful owner of, you know, his Heisman Trophy. And joining us is the man that broke the news, ladies and gentlemen, the authority, Pete Tam. Yeah, Pete!

Pete, how you doing, pal? Oh, Pat, we missed you at our game day meetings today, but I'm doing great. Well, you scheduled it right in the middle of the show, so it feels like I was maybe bullied out of the game day meeting, but I'm sure... I do all the scheduling. Yeah, are you okay?

What's going on? It's a big time of year, Pete. Little horse bat. I've been on the phone a little too much, but we're good. We're good. We'll rally for tomorrow. Got some nice temperate weather here in Detroit, so we're good. The authority's been working the phone

so much. You forget about, you know, people that are building those Detroit signs. They're getting calluses on their hands. The people that, you know, wear the gloves and the boots, maybe the boots get a little blistery on the feet. You know, you get that whole thing. For Pete Thamel, we don't have any calluses.

Never have, never will. We don't have any blisters, but you hear this throat? Yep. How much small talk can you do? Yeah, exactly. We're going to learn. We're going to learn. We appreciate you battling through, Pete.

Let's talk about the news break here. So who was the ones that made this decision, and how many years have we been close to this decision coming in your eyes? And I assume everybody on earth feels the same way we do about this is the right decision. Thank God. Let's move on now. Yeah, the timeline's interesting, Pat, because 2021 was the first year of NIL. And Reggie released a statement in July of 21 that basically said, hey, I'm calling the Heisman. What I did is now legal. I should be able to get my Heisman back. And some

of the Heisman's reasoning for this in 2010 was that the statistics in the games were invalidated and therefore the Heisman was taken away. So I think momentum shifted two years ago. As you know, nothing happens quickly in college sports. I do think Johnny Manziel's public plea made a difference the other day. The Heisman is an age-old institution that's sensitive to criticism, and when their own came out that strongly, I think that mattered. Coley Harvey reported today that there was a bunch of Heisman members who were together. Tim Tebow was among them. There were a couple other familiar names there.

They got together as part of this decision to bring Reggie back. So Reggie walked into a room today to about 15 Heisman members, and they all greeted him down in Florida at an event. So it was a pretty special moment for Reggie to get reintroduced into that club, and now we're all anxiously awaiting the Heisman House commercials where he does the Undertaker and rolls back in. Absolutely. So many good ideas. Pete, keep pitching those publicly so that maybe those can come to fruition. I assume USC will also do something big for him as well. Yeah. I mean,

USC, the president released a statement today. Lincoln Riley released a statement. I mean, this is a huge moment for USC. They actually have eight Heismans now, more than any other school. They go past Ohio State and gosh, two other schools i'm gonna blank right now but yeah oklahoma was one in notre dame oklahoma notre dame so they're now ahead of those three who have seven uh if you've ever been to heritage hall it's really cool at usc they have them all like out very publicly people can go in and see them that's a it's a huge point of pride at that school it goes all the way back to you know oj and mike garrett and all the way up to caleb williams and reggie bush now so it's it's a really kind of cool historical touchdown to sort of wrap around there and yeah

they are uh I believe Lincoln Riley called it a historic day for uh for USC so there's certainly a lot of pride emanating from there he was banned from there for a decade and him coming back three four years ago NCAA banned him for a decade and when he he came back, it was a big deal. I mean, he is a transformative figure. In my 21 years doing this, I have never covered a player that's been more electric. He had like 2,900, a little less than 2,900 yards for total yards his junior year. Think about that for a minute, 2,890 yards. When you count kick returns, when you count from scrimmage. I think in his career from scrimmage, he averaged 8.5 yards a touch. I mean, he was silly.

It's absolutely silly what he did on the football field at USC. Fun to watch. Go ahead, AJ. Pete, it sounds like sort of Johnny Football, when him coming out and saying, oh, this, that Reggie needs his Heisman back, and he's not going to attend or do whatever he's going to do, did that really give it the public push it needed i i know behind the scenes i'm sure people were working but who ultimately makes that decision to bring him back so it's pretty

unprecedented right what happened so it's not like they have a committee that they're gonna you know that that handles this but what i think is the heisman is very sensitive to bad publicity and johnny manziel got a lot of attention for what he said. I think this mitigated the future. We heard you say this earlier, Pete. We heard you say this about four minutes ago. We heard this entire answer. No, it's not.

This is not your fault. This is not your fault. AJ, did you just want him to hammer home the fact that the Heisman committee hates bad publicity? No. I'm saying to the player, hammer home the fact that the Heisman committee hates bad publicity? No. I'm saying, do the old Heisman winners, do they get to vote and bring them back? Or do some committee or some Heisman trust do it? Yeah, so I think they consulted with a bunch of Heisman winners.

But again, there's no precedent for this. So I don't think they have a subcommittee on reinstatement. You know what I mean? This has never happened before. Hopefully it'll never happen again. I love it, though. This is great for college football, I think, as a whole. It may be for common sense decisions

being made in the future by people that have positions of power in college sport. You know, Pete, that'd be cool, too. Like, NCAA could see this and be like, oh, it is a new era. We don't have to suck all the time You know, Pete, that'd be cool, too. Like, NCAA could see this and be like, oh, it is a new era. We don't have to suck all the time. Right, Pete? Can't that happen, maybe, from this?

I mean, certainly the NCAA is trying to lean more towards common sense, but I'm not going to go on to the Pat McAfee show and defend the NCAA in any way. I can be very clear about that. They are at least trying to modernize, which they were about 40 years behind on doing. And now they're probably 20 years behind.

But, you know, look, the world is very different than it was in 2021. And that is progress. But that progress has to be viewed in prison. 2021, we had COVID. Yeah, it was terrible. Yeah, we had Uncle COVID. 2021 is when the portal opened up, essentially, and name it because I'm like, this money happened.

So that has transformed the landscape as we know it. And in a lot of ways, this is a byproduct of some of those transformational rule changes. You're the man, ladies and gentlemen. We appreciate you battling through, you know, callusing up for this big season ahead. We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen. Pete Tamu. Yeah, Pete Tamu!

I didn't even think about his voice if you're a small talker. Yeah, great. That thing's as calloused as it can get. Yeah, he's got – this guy's a contractor. For 100 years. He's on air tomorrow? Yeah. He'll be –

There's shots. This thing is just fine. He's got the greenie spray, I bet. I don't know if he has the greenie spray, but the shots are the – I guess that's the immediate help, and then you're kind of – it's the Toradol for the... Yeah, and he's just injecting that thing right to his Adam's apple. Yeah, but I think it...

I don't know. The way people have explained it to me is that exact way. Have you seen people... I've heard singers and people talk about it, but how many of those shots can you get? I think, yeah, it's like a very big... I don't think you just keep getting them. I think it's like cortisone they get at times.

It is, but you're screwed, I think, afterwards for you're really stealing voice from next week for the evening, let's say, because they had to figure out something I'd assume for some of these singers that lose their voice and then have a multi-million dollar potential

opportunity. It's like, well, we can't let that slow down. We got to do this. But I think it's just like Toradol where like you're going to feel it after, but in the moment you'll be able to perform and do your thing. I think you do a couple. I've never really got into it all because as soon as I saw the movement, I was like, okay, so I'm not going to do that. That's what I heard is I'm not going to be able to do that if I ever lose my voice.

He's on the Game day show on ABC tomorrow. 5 to 7, is that right? Yeah, 5 to 7 o'clock on ESPN and ABC, I do believe. And then obviously draft coverage is on ESPN, ABC, NFL Network, ESPN Plus, ESPN.com, YouTube, TikTok. For the time being. Good luck. Somebody needs to pay 50 bill for that. And it will, TikTok. Good luck. Somebody needs to pay $50 for that.

And it will also be live on Facebook. Hey, it sucks. Okay. Is that different than Meta? I don't know. Meta is the endeavor, if you will, in Instagram and Facebook are the UFC and WWE.

What else is under that, you think, other than Instagram and Facebook that we haven't even heard of? Robots, flesh-eating things that he is creating. I mean, not to mention the stuff in Hawaii. No, Max Holloway told us that. Yeah, yeah. Cool dude. Easy way to win over Hawaii.

What's the saying? You win the mob, you win Rome. You win Holloway, you win the islands. So Zuck knows what he's doing, and that's why he's calling him in. I mean, Zuck's got a big brain, and we saw him do it in slides. Yeah. He did it all in slides. Now he looks cool.

He looks like Channing Tatum now. He is getting jocked. He's jacked. He is jacked. For real. Good jawline. Cool beard. Is he a black belt?

Is he a black belt yet? No, no, no, no. I'd assume he found that black belt. He woke up a 33 black belt. Yeah. Is that real? So you think he's better at j Is he a black belt yet? No, no, no, no. I'd assume he found that dojo. He woke up a 33 black belt. Yeah. Is that real? So you think he's better at jiu-jitsu than Mack? He's a jiu-jitsu belt.

From what I've been told, though, some of these dojos, they do give out black belts. Yeah, pay to play. A little bit easier than other places. That's me just reading on the internet. I can believe it. Zuck would be like Vince Young, though, when Vince was offered Reggie's Heisman.

Zuck isn't just taking a black belt. He's going to earn it. You don't think Zuck maybe is going to the University of Phoenix Jiu-Jitsu black belt school? Yeah. I think so. He respects the sport way too much. Is he rehabbing a torn ACL? Yeah, exactly. He talks shit to someone with a real black

belt, and they're like, oh, okay, you think you have a black belt? Come here. You should see the other guy. We haven't even heard about the other guy. Two torn ACLs. The other guy. Well, unfortunately, the other guy is swimming with the fishes in Hawaii now because he messed with the wrong knee. Why are you guys going to take it so far?

He might have taken two ACLs from the guy. He didn't kill him. It's the world we live in. He said he wants to get in the octagon. I want to see him. Rube has it. Him and Khabib. No way. That's Khabib. Yeah. No way.

That's Khabib's comeback. No, I thought he was fighting Musk. Elon? Well, they were going to do that, but then they took one look at Zuck, and they were like, this guy's going to beat the shit out of Elon. We can't do that. All right, let's pivot away from UFC and the degree of black belt for Zuck. Hawaii, definitely.

Great. Love the islands. Hawaii, definitely. Great. Love the islands. Love the islands. Would like to be there all the time. Time zone's wild. Impossible to really be a part of the rest of society with the time zone. But who cares? You're in Hawaii.

Literally, who cares? You're in Hawaii. Joining us now is from the NBA world. And played in the NBA for 21 years. Damn. His career could drink legally in the United States of America. Absolutely phenomenal. He's the host of The Crossover and also

on NBA on TNT. Ladies and gentlemen, Jamal Crawford. Hey, Jamal. Appreciate you guys. How you guys doing? Hey, you think Zuckerberg's a black belt in jujitsu or no? What do you think? I wouldn't bet on it. Thank you. I think he bought one though. But you're saying the respect level that he has

He will earn it He don't want to be exposed If he buys it he's going to get exposed He's going to get tapped out by a blue belt They're getting exposed by Zuck Zuck knows everything about all of them So as he's in there doing it Hey you remember that DM you sent in 06

Bang pow How'd you know that DM you sent in 06? Boop, boop, boop, boop. Bang, pow. How'd you know that? Yeah, that's what I thought. Let's move along. Now give me my block belt. That's the mental warfare that Zuck has over everybody. Exactly. And that's a block.

Everybody. Everybody. All right, Jamal, sorry. This is our first time talking, and obviously the show is the dumbest you've ever been on, but the NBA playoffs right now is not at all. Let's talk about what's happening with that Dallas squad, and then let's also talk about what's happening with Kawhi.

Like, Luka goes bananas. He hits a step back on James Harden last night, obviously. Screams to the crowd. He feels like it's his time. They got it in slow-mo. They got it in 12K. They got it in 8K. He also talked about his defense and everything.

And then you factor in Kyrie and the entire squad. Do we think Dallas has a realistic chance this year to go on a run because all anybody's saying is like Denver is going to be impossible so you might as well just go ahead and crown them does Dallas have an actual squad this year and how serious should we take them Jamal? No they do have a squad last year to me it was almost like your turn my turn basketball like they were playing like open gym basketball this year it's like a flow it's crazy because Luka get going, then Kai would get going. Luka's smiling at Kai's play. Like, that was unbelievable.

Can you believe he did that? And that's usually the stuff that's reserved for Luka. So you could tell their flow is good. And because of that, the rest of their team is playing off of those two. You know, like they feel involved. They're using each other. Like, so their offensive firepower is crazy. It's just about getting stops, getting timely stops.

But now they have a belief. You know, with that, I think they have a chance. Kawhi coming back is interesting because we know he's the best player. But sometimes you learn how to play without a guy as well. So everybody's role kind of changed a little bit. Okay, you know, Paul George and Harden were aggressive in game one. Kawhi's back a little bit less aggressive. So they have to figure out that dynamic.

I can see us going seven games, though. And Kawhi's got to get back, too. A little rust, maybe. A little bit of rust. Maybe lack of confidence on some shots. You know, it didn't look like the old Kawhi that we normally see from the mid-range, especially early. But if that Clippers team gets healthy, right?

That's the question forever about that Clippers team. You think they'll be great. Who knows if that's even real? Go ahead, AJ. Can you explain a little bit of what makes kairi so special like i love watching the guy play obviously what he's been able to do with luca is not the easiest thing to do i think how they balance it so well but what does kairi do that kind of separates him because he just seems to be on a different level at different speeds sometimes

you know like if you guys go to the gym or we're at the gym and we're like all right i got that guy he's just trying to stop the guy kairi eliminates that his whole thing is like i just don't want to be embarrassed gardener's dude he could do anything like he can he can his feet his his mind and his hands are all connected so he can be in multiple places at once you could think he's somewhere you feel like he's tricking you every single time and you take out the thought of like i'm trying to actually stop him like i'm just trying not to be on youtube i'm not trying to be on on twitter ig that's that's what he does to you he has that special power and half the time he doesn't know what he's going to do and if he doesn't know he's going to do you don't have a chance to know he's going to do let's stay in the west you know for a guy who's

obviously a champion but it's almost like the internet's kind of a little fickle go ahead d but obviously hey tomah kd over there in in Phoenix, one of your former squads, and obviously they got the big three with Brad Bill, D-Buck, and KD, but just watching them, it almost looks like an L.A. Fitness All-Star team out there with everybody on the same page, especially when it comes to playoff basketball.

In your opinion, man, what do the Suns need to do to get it right? It's tough. I honestly think Isaiah Thomas would be good i think they need a point guard and what's happening is we know those guys can handle the ball but i think it's taking too much you know wear and tear on their bodies to have to start the play and finish the play i want bradley bill devin booker and kevin durant shooting the ball you know what i mean and getting that oh i don't want them having to set up the offense get guys shots think about

the shot do this and now you, I'm trying to score. Like, Minnesota's a good team, and they're aggressive, and they're defensively trying to get after you. They have no fear. And you can see at times when the Suns aren't as connected. Like, they need that point guard just to organize things. I think that's why they gave up so many leads in the fourth quarter in the regular season. Like, they need somebody to organize and just conduct.

He doesn't have to be the star with those guys, but he can star in his role while he's on the court with those guys. I don't like what the internet's doing. It's messed up. I don't like what the internet's doing, especially with Ant-Man. Hey, this guy. Hey, this guy's awesome. Jamal, he is awesome. He's old school, right?

That's what we feel like basketball players love about him. The old school basketball players love about him. Is that accurate? That's very accurate. It's like his competitive fabric. That's not something you can put in a stat. That's not something you can be like, oh, okay, 25, eight, and seven.

No, he's trying to go at you. Kevin Durant's his favorite player ever, and he's showing like, I want to go at him, I want to go at whoever, and that gets everybody's attention. That gets the greats' attention. The greats are like, oh, okay, he's not playing for the hype, he's not playing for the hype.

He's not playing for the commercials. He's playing to try to win a championship. He's counting down wins right now. Okay, that's two. I got 14 more. Like, he's thinking differently. He's 22 years old. So he's not even close to his prime yet.

Like, he's still learning what he can and cannot do. He's just dominating off mental grit, physical toughness, and just being, you know, special athletically. Austin Rivers said he's like five years away from his prime. It's like, I can't wait. I cannot wait if that's the case of what's taking place. I hope he doesn't lose his edge. I hope he keeps his edge the entire time. I love Kevin Durant laughing at that.

This is awesome. In the moment almost. Because Kevin Durant was Anthony Edwards. He was 23 years old going to the finals. So he knows what that's like to go after the greats and the vets. And all you can do is laugh and respect it. He didn't take it personally. He took it the right way.

And Kevin Durant's one of those all-time greats. So he respects it because he was Anthony Edwards once upon a time. Let's go to the East. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, another guy there saying that about five years ago, Jason Tatum in the Celtics, Jamal. Obviously, you know, one versus eight seed, not as competitive

in the NBA. Should I expect any worry as a Celtics fan with this team and game two coming up tonight? And because of the fact that Boston has a one seed in the NHL and NBA, should I probably focus more on the Boston Bruins tonight versus the Celtics because they're going to win? I think you're all right with Boston Bruins tonight versus the Celtics because they're going to win?

I think you're all right with the Bruins tonight. The Celtics right now, they won't be tested maybe until the East Finals. They'll be a little test, but nothing big. The Celtics' own worst enemy could be themselves, though. What I've been seeing all year with them is when they're winning, they're like Mike Tyson, right? They come knock you off quick. When they're up 15, 20 points, the ball's hopping.

Everybody's involved. Guys are, 20 points, the ball's hopping. Everybody's involved. Guys are playing for each other. When it's in tight games, that's when they resort to one-on-one. That's when the offense slows down. That's when they're easier to guard. And that's when their possessions mean more. So, for them, they have to keep that same trust that they do when they get the lead to sustain that lead and build on it,

not when it gets tight to go one-on-one. Yeah. Why don't you guys play ball? I've been saying that exact same thing word for word since October. I haven't heard it one time. You just haven't listened. I haven't heard it one time. I haven't even too worried about Crosby to pay attention to what I've been saying,

but that's exactly what I've been saying. 14 and a half point favorites tonight at home. Obviously, that is – The playoffs. The playoffs. 14 and a half point favorite uh speaking about big leads and stuff like that tone has a question for you jamal yeah jamal i have a i have a question about the lakers and blowing that 20 20 point lead in game two they also blew a lead in game

one after being swept last year by the nuggets like after the after the way that game one and two went like as a team are the is their back just broken? Do they have any will left, you think, to fight for the rest of this series? They're dead, you're saying? Yeah. Yeah, that is dangerous. As long as you have LeBron on the team, you have a chance. When I saw the difference between Game 1 and Game 2 is when Game 1, the Lakers had the lead. It

evaporated like that. So it was like, damn, where'd the lead go? The second game, it was different because the other guy stepped up first. I think LeBron and AD at one point in the first quarter took the least the league go the second game it was different because the other guy stepped up first i think lebron and ad at one point in the first quarter took the least amount of shots they were they had a focus to get you know uh rui some shots d lo going and they knew that would pay off for them and that's how they built the big league they were running in the first half the ball was hopping just like we talked about the celtics the ball was hopping in that situation ad was killing

but the ball is a star it's going to find the right person. The second half, the offense bogged down. They started playing a lot slower. Every possession meant more, and Denver started running. It was funny because the Lakers looked like Denver in the first half, and they went back to resorting to playing like they'd been playing in the second half, and Denver just kept going. Now they have the mindset of a champion.

How about that Jamal Murray shot? I mean, what a face. The picture, dude. Immediate poster. Immediate poster at the house if about that Jamal Murray shot? I mean, what a face. The picture, dude. Immediate poster. Immediate poster at the house if you're Jamal Murray. The Nuggets posted that thing. It's like AD full reach. I mean, that is...

LeBron's in the photo. Joker's in the photo. AD's in the photo. And then Jamal's splashing this to win. And then the reaction was as if it was a finals game in there. it's like great for the nba the nba has been electrifying to kind of start out this entire playoff series let's go to a team that is i mean right he knew as soon as i left his hand right he knew as soon

as i left his hand he knew and pat he he shot a shot and i've been saying on the call i'm like why did you use the mid-range use the mid-range because you're struggling from the three. His floater wasn't really going. And like I said on the call, the mid-range is equivalent to the jab in boxing. It keeps you honest. You don't know if a guy's going to stop and pull up. All the great scorers dominate the mid-range. Michael Jordan, Kobe, Durant in the playoffs.

He got to his mid-range. He had a mid-range over LeBron right before that one. And it was just, we were silent on the call, but it was pandemonium in there. And I said, they won a championship last year. I guarantee you this moment will stand out as one of the top moments along the last two years for how he's played in the playoffs.

That was just unbelievable. Yeah, that's going to live forever. I think that moment is going to live for NBA playoff hype videos for, you know, probably decades with how sweet it was. Now granted, the NBA creates those moments regularly. Like at Knicks the other night, I mean, just that moment was magical where Reggie Millard

happened for them as opposed to against them. And something that's going to happen for the next 10 years, this OKC team is the youngest average age team to ever play in the playoffs, I think, is the case. And obviously SGP comes out of nowhere this year, and the team, Jettet Holmgren's running the court. And they're real contenders at this young age.

Was this expected going into the season for this OKC team? And how real should we think this all is? It wasn't expected. And that's why SGA is an MVP conversation. They were in the play-in last year. They ended up the number one team in a stacked Western Conference. If you look at it, SGA's MVP level.

Dave Dubb is balling. Chet's right there, Rookie of the Year. Coach is going to win Coach of the Year. He should win Coach of the Year. What's special about them, Pat, is they brought a college system to the NBA, which is rare because the NBA is built on stats and selfishness and individualism. They've brought

a culture of each other, and they play for each other. Even if SGA doesn't have it going late, Hey, J-Dub, you got it. It's all good. Hey, pass to him.

So like they're a young team that's growing together and they're built to be good for a long, long time. If you go back to when Katie and those guys were there, Katie's 23 in the finals with Westbrook and Harden and Serge and all those guys. This is like that type of run they could go on with their youth.GA what a dog dude I knew the whole time I knew I knew he existed before the playoffs yeah I knew of course absolutely I was missing out on that entire thing

Ty has a question for you Jamal yeah Jamal just curious are we in the like the the 76ers are kind of running out of people to blame here you know first it was KD then or not KD excuse me Harden then Markel Fultz and then Doc you know they run him out of town and now here. First it was KD, or not KD, excuse me, Harden, then Markel Fultz, and then Doc. They run him out of town. And now we're kind of in that era where Embiid's starting to get a little bit of that because he's been hurt. What do they need to do to turn things around, or are we just staring down, hey, they're going to turn on Embiid

and they're going to turn on Nick Nurse, and they're going to get both those guys out of town as well, and then we'll just be continually making more excuses for the 76ers come next year on why they can't get it done in the playoffs. You don't want Embiid to be like the Patrick Ewing was with the Knicks for all those years. Like, man, dominant center,

dominate one of the best players in the game, but yet this time is kind of wasted. If you look back, I think their best chance is when they had Jimmy, Ben Simmons, JJ, all those guys on one team. To me, that was their best chance is when they had Jimmy, Ben Simmons, JJ, all those guys on one team. To me, that was their best chance to go to the finals. And obviously the shot against Toronto.

But they just, I don't know. Because now a lot of it depends on MB's health, right? Because if he's not healthy 100%, it doesn't matter who you bring in. If you're second, third, fourth guy are playing out of their mind, it's not going to matter if you're trying to win a championship. So I think health, you have to maximize yourself. Jamal, we were just watching some highlights of you while you were giving an answer here. 21 years in the NBA is so long.

And that was before, like, body management or whatever the hell it is, whatever. Load management. I mean, throwing hoops at yourself. 21 years, you were just all ball all the time. How'd your body survive that? And, I mean, how many different styles of basketball came and went through 21 years of hoops?

Hey, fellas, I played against Stockton and Malone. I played against Luka and Dirk. Yes, I've seen literally every single wave over the last 20 years. And it's crazy because you see the game change. Remember when Phoenix was winning a bunch of games in the regular season, but they couldn't win the playoffs. That won't work. That style won't work. Then Golden State does it and they win a championship.

Now everybody's trying to play like them. I've seen the whole style. Who was that white right there? Who's that? Kirk Hyron. Why'd you do this to him? I made that up on the fly. I pulled some Reggie Bush right there that you were just talking about. I made that up on the fly because Kurt knew my game,

so I had to make something up real quick. That felt like a milk check right there on Kirk Heinrich. It really did, didn't it? No, it didn't. I'm going to try something. Ooh. I'm going to try something. You had a left-handed, through the leg, cross.

What do you guys pull up to get these highlights? I think it's just YouTube. I don't know who's putting this thing together, but it is great. We need to... He needs a raise. Is that Rudy Gay? He's going down. Jamal, wasn't that you in the Jordan vs. Jordan commercial?

That was me in the Jordan vs. Jordan commercial. He picked me to play the younger him. I didn't know it was going to be a commercial 20 years ago, but now looking back, I'm honored to have been playing the younger Michael Jordan in that commercial. Did you get a percentage of the Jordan shoes because you wear Michael Jordan in the commercial or no? No,

Pat, but they gave me a check from Gatorade for $5,000. I was like, oh my god. I get paid to be in a commercial with Michael Jordan? Are you serious? I would have paid to get close to this dude. Alright, so now you're on TNT. You got the I get paid to be in a commercial with Michael Jordan. I was paid to get close to this dude. So it's great. All right, so now you're on TNT. You got the crossover, which makes sense.

That's a great name, it feels like, for your game. Are you enjoying the hell out of covering basketball from this standpoint? Or is this what you're going to do forever? Forever. I love it because I got offers to go front office and things of that nature and do other coaching and a bunch of other stuff. But I was coaching my son. Shout out to the Rotary program. I'm coaching my son, JJ.

So when I was like, you know, I'm settled with that, TNT called a couple years back, like, won't you pop in? And that cultivated and cultivated to this, right? I'm calling games now. Analyst work, writing for NBA.com, doing a bunch of stuff. So I want to try to be as good in this space as I was as a player, to be honest with you. When you talk about players, maybe

front office, and we're loving the media game. Keep going. I appreciate it. I love you guys. You don't have to lie, Jamal. No, I'm being serious. Pat, I thought you would have a white beater on today. I was shocked. Excuse me, tank tops. I didn't wear beaters. I wore tank tops.

Tank tops, my bad. Yeah, I mean, get it right. If you're going to describe white trash tank tops. Tank tops, my bad. Yeah, I mean, get it right. If you're going to describe white trash stuff. If I'm going to get props, give it right, my bad. Yeah, I mean, what we found out is if I just covered my armpits, like all the bitching that was coming from one particular group of people just kind of got rid of it. Now, people say, well, you've changed.

It's also like, well, there's some days I didn't want to wear a tank top, you know, and I felt like I was kind of being held hostage by this tank top. So, it's been a great development. Tank top season's right around the corner. So, for the Hornbill, where do you live? I'm in Seattle. I'm in Seattle. I'm there. So, I fly into

Atlanta each week for the show, and now I'm doing stuff on the road. Seattle's home for me. Always will be. That's a 14-hour flight to Atlanta from Seattle? It feels like it. It absolutely feels like it. That's the longest. And you lose three hours. Oh, my.

Thank you for your commitment to the game. Thank you for your commitment to the game. You got to grind. You got to grind. I'm trying to grind and keep going, man. Tone just mentioned to me, whenever you talked about being asked to go maybe the front office or coaching something like that jj reddick is getting an interview to be the head coach for the hornets feels like a lot of media people in a lot of sports potentially get opportunities because maybe the way they lay things out in a microphone ownership hears and they're like that is what we actually need how

do you feel about jj getting the interview and what are your thoughts on whether or not he would be a great coach or if this is even a real opportunity or just something that the Hornets are kind of putting out there for publicity? No, it's absolutely real. You know, J.J.'s one of the best minds in basketball, one of the best guys out there. He's covering the sport. So for me, it's an easy call from the Hornets.

Obviously, you need to change some things. He knows the game inside and out. He can see it from different angles, being a prominent player, being a role player. Now, covering this space. He's still connected to the game. He knows a lot of these guys, too, so it's a different level of respect. I think he'd be a great candidate if that's what he wants to do.

You watch Mind the Game and agree with what they're saying about how you're supposed to attack certain picks and certain defenses and all that shit? They'll lose me, but I assume other basketball people know. I totally understand what they're saying. I actually, to be very honest, I watched the first episode and then I've

slowed down a little bit since then. I've just seen clips, but the first episode was really good. Clips is okay. Clips is a watch. We view it that way. You watch the program, watch Clips. It's all good. Hey, we appreciate the hell out of your time, man. Hopefully, we'll get the chance to chat with you soon.

Anytime, man. Appreciate you guys. Thanks. Anytime, but the 10 hours you're on that plane. Ladies and gentlemen, Jamal Crawford. Thank you. Yeah, Jamal. Man, 21 years in the NBA.

That's so long. Think about it on the road. He was living rock star. He's on road, and now he's got Seattle. Play with John Stockton and Carl Mal NBA. That's so long. Think about it on the road. He was living rock star. He's on the road, and now he's got Seattle. Played with John Stockton and Carl Malone. That's amazing. That's so awesome. His handles are so good.

He was mentioned in old school NBA there. Yeah. Yeah, those handles were filthy. That left-handed through. Ridiculous. He could fill it up, too. He played for Isaiah Thomas, too. I wonder how he was as a coach.

Pretty sure he's the oldest guy to ever score like 55 points or something like that. He's the oldest guy with a 50-point game for sure. It's a missed shot. Keep it on the highlight wide. Well, we just knocked a guy down. Lance Stevenson. Jeez. Oh, no.

Yeah, see, he played in the t-shirt jersey era. The baggy shorts. Yeah. Super baggy shorts era. That has changed. Yeah. Big time. Coming back, though.

Yeah, it is coming back a little bit. Baggy pants, yeah. I walked into Abercrombie and Fitch. They got changed. Big time. Baggy pants, yeah. I walked into Abercrombie and Fitch, they got all those big masks. Really, really baggy pants, too. I don't know if I can wear those. Those aren't really... We need to talk to Jamal more. Hey, Jamal, thank you for your time.

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on all the platforms that are potentially available other than TV. We'll see you then. Goodbye! Right on to screws, AJ. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Is that a Pittsburgh thing where people say if there's no toilet paper, you're going to use your thumbs to wipe your butt?

Yeah, I had a guy come up to me, actually, and said he held his hands up to me like this. And he said, look at that. My thumbs aren't the same size. He did this. And he clearly just had one knuckle above the other. And I said, oh, that's crazy. I was a little kid. I was like, oh, that's crazy.

And I still remember this as like maybe a 10-year-old or 11-year-old old or 11 year old vivid and he goes yeah it's longer so i can wipe my ass with it i said okay and i just walked away and i thought to myself i'm never shaking that guy's hand yeah that was literally my takeaway from it was one of my dad's an adult yeah i think he was with me obviously but i never touched that guy's hand ever again for the rest of the time yeah he was in my world too like in my soccer universe i was like this guy's hand ever again for the rest of the time. Yeah. He was in my world, too, like in my soccer universe. I was like, this guy's got shit all over his thumb. Classic Inzer dad joke. Yeah.

I mean, classic joke to tell a 10-year-old kid, yeah. Pittsburgh. It's a little different. If you can't handle that in Ohio, we understand. No, I mean, it feels like he's trying to recruit you for something bad. He wasn't trying to. If that happened these days, you'd throw a dude in jail. Talking about sticking. Yeah. Come on now. I think he was trying to get me to these days You'd throw a dude in jail Talking about sticking Yeah come on now

I think he was trying To get me to do it Whoa To him To myself Oh jeez Luis No he was trying to get me To wipe my ass

With my thumb No I thought He was like Why do you need my thumb Right now No it was in Pittsburgh He's not going to show me how He's trying to get shit

On my hand Can't do that in Pittsburgh Because you know the kids Will punch you right in the face Pow Don't sound like it Pow You need some toilet paper Little pal I was trying to get shit on my hands. Can't do that in Pittsburgh because you know the kids will punch you right in the face. Pow. Don't sound like it. Pow.

You need some toilet paper, little Pat? I was trying to get poop on my fucking finger. I mean, that's really weird, too. Come here, little Pat. Let me tell you something about my thumb. That didn't happen. Hey, I completely agree, by the way, that it was weird. And that's why I remember it as a 36-year-old. Turns out, I think he actually was wiping his ass with his thumb.

He might have been. I think that particular guy. And now he covers the Steelers. Oh no. It was not Mark Caboli. It was not Mark Caboli. Oh no. Mark Madden? The other Madden. Not Mark Madden. Geez Louise. I only put out a good tweet. Which one? I don't know. It was motivational. Was it really? Oh yeah. Hell yeah. Really? Was it like a good morning. Which one? I don't know. It was motivational. Was it really? Oh yeah, hell yeah. Was it like a good morning?

I don't know one of those. A message from Mark Caboli? He should start doing that. We should scroll through his Twitter. He's an influencer. Oh, okay. Nick just told me what you meant. You were talking about the lyrics to Cody Rhodes' song. Is that what you were talking about? Oh, adrenaline.

You fucking Mark. You fucking Mark. You fucking mark. Son of a bitch. Oh, yeah. Rhodes! Rhodes My father said when I was younger Hard times bring better men That's not from the Riccati Rhodes song I thought that was the third verse

I've never gone through the third verse My father said When I was younger Hard times bring better men. Whoa! Maybe. Might be. Yeah, because we never can get the lyrics because it's all just so.

And easy times breed soft men. That's what they say. Soft men breed hard times. Hard times breed hard men. It's really a circle. It goes around and around. A circle. Yeah, and you've got to be able to read a room to be able to tell what part of the story we're in. I can tell you which part we're in now.

What's that? Well, I'd say anyone younger than 28. Soft. Anybody younger than 28 years age. Love it. 28. If you have only gone around the sun

27 times, I already know. I already know. How are you, Connor? How are you? I'm 29. Exactly. Okay. How many?

We have Navy SEALs still. Okay. Well, there's exceptions to every rule. Didn't they just change the rule? Galileo, Galileo. Oh, wait a minute, D-Bunch. Look, look, look. Let's not dive into that, okay?

Just answer the question. I respect my frog, man. Hey, D-Bunch. Let's not dive into that, okay? Just answer the question. I respect my frog, man. Hey, we still have dogs. There's still dogs out there. Oh, yeah. I said there's an exception to every rule. They're different. They've grown up in a completely different life

and a completely different style of life than ever. Yeah, legit. I think when it comes to calluses on hands, probably not as many. But the mental, the digestion of stuff, and probably self-battles are a lot different. How about not having two years of school? Like COVID?

Yeah. Like not socializing, meeting people, doing stuff. If I was stuck inside my house for two years doing education, I mean, there is no way. You know what I mean? I don't even know how they could even be relatable to us. What if you missed your, like, junior and senior year of high school? I feel bad for those people.

You're fucked. For real. That's like helping shape you. Or college. You're paying $15,000 to go to college, and you don't get the college experience at all. And then when you graduate, it's still like, well, tough tough shit you're still paying for that you're still in debt it's crazy it is really so i don't know if they're all soft tone exceptions there's exceptions you think

axel is soft no i know actually what about when you were 28 tone hard as nails brother okay let's get to a break all right we's get to a break. All right, we'll get to a break. Those are different times. Those are different times. All right. We got to roll through some of the news that is happening that we have to cover before tomorrow because we're off during the day tomorrow. But then we're on for a good seven, eight hours tomorrow night.

Hey, let's make sure we get our rest. for a good seven, eight hours tomorrow night. Hey. Let's make sure we get our rest. It is grotesquely longer than we imagine it is every single year. It's going to be cold, too. What are you wearing? I didn't know what to do. I guess a suit. I got to put something together.

Are you guys wearing a suit? Did we know the draft spectacular was coming around or no? We didn't know? What do you mean? I thought it was next week for the longest time. I thought we weren't doing it this year. Oh, okay. I got a suit packed. You got to see me, okay?

Mad Malice. Mad Malice. Yeah. Did you not know? Oh, I knew. I wasn't. I'm saying I got to put a jacket and some pants together. I don't have things just laid out perfectly.

Here we go. No one has stuff like that. We just prepared. He's a galley guy though. He's got his whole body. Wear your draft suit, AJ. Yes! Wear your draft suit. That would be awesome. If I find it, I'll wear that jacket. Please find it.

Laura! Man, where is it? Laura, send all the children around the estate. We need to find the size 7X suit. They're using it as a FEMA tent in a third world country right now. That's coming back, guys. You know that? Yeah, someone will wear that suit this weekend.

I guarantee it. And we'll get yelled at that we don't understand fashion when we say, oh, body dress like an asshole. That happens. All the time. That's draft spectacular. Can't wait for it. I'm just excited because I know my quarterback's not going to be dressed like a fucking idiot. Who's that?

That's what I know. What? What? He's 100% in on Drake May. He's been... He is now at the... actually, in the next hour, we have a conversation with North Carolina quarterback consultant and advisor, a man who spent 20-plus years in the NFL with Peyton Manning,

Tom Brady, Andrew Luck, Matt Hasselbeck, and many others. We caught up with him this morning, and you're going to want to hear what he has to say about Drake May, especially if you're a Patriot. He's this little man right here. Right? Right? Right?

Right? This guy. Yeah. Beloved by every human that has ever been around him in a football building. He's coached a lot of incredible quarterbacks, been very close to the sun, won multiple Super Bowls, has seen how they operate. How they work. How they go about day to day. How they handle teammates.

How they everything. Yeah. And we caught up with them this morning. And I'm just going to. I'm going to say it straight up. There's a propaganda piece coming out about Drake May. Yeah. In about five minutes or so.

On the other side. Actually right now. We'll run this right now. Okay. There is. We got a chance to catch up. With good friend of the program. Clyde Christensen.

This morning. We'll see you on the other side. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man who was a quarterback coach in the NFL for 20-some years. Now he is working at North Carolina as a quarterback consultant, advisor, a man who's not allowed on the practice field, but certainly allowed in the meeting room. A wealth of knowledge as he's worked with Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck.

And Johnny Unitas and he, same age. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Clyde Christensen. Coach, good to see you, pal. Good to be back with you. Good to see you guys. Hey, you're a college coach now as opposed to an NFL. You look good. You were good. You were good. You were good.

Why are you moving? You were perfect. You're perfect. You're perfect. Right there. You're perfect. You're back in college now as opposed to two and a half decades or so in the NFL. And the quarterback that you get to work with at your alma mater is a man named Drake May. He's very tall. I got a chance

to meet him in person. I was alarmed by how tall he was. He's very big. meet him in person i was alarmed by how tall he was he's very big he's brought i was alarmed with how jacked he was he led the team in rushing i believe a couple years back and now last year yeah now he's being talked about as you know maybe the third overall pick or top pick in this upcoming draft class as a man who knows the nfl very well knows great quarterback play in the NFL very well, what do you see from Drake May that you think will translate in the NFL? And what are your thoughts on him as an NFL prospect, as we're one day away from the NFL Draft Spectacular?

Yeah, I'm extremely high on him. I've had a privilege to be around a couple of number one picks. I really think this guy is a number one pick type of guy. He's got a ton of skills. I think his best football is still ahead of him. He's going to be one of those guys who just gets better and better and better and better. He has a lot of the traits that those guys who last a long time have. He gets along with his teammates. He's a stable guy. I think he's really, really good. I think there's a bunch of great football ahead of him. I've told anyone who'd listen that I really do think he's really, really good. I think there's a bunch of great football ahead of him. And I've told anyone who'd listen that I really do think he should or could easily be the top pick in the whole draft.

Now, you have to say that people would think because you're North Carolina alma mater and you're his advisor and everything like that. But I don't think, and this is just for me to throw myself into the position, my relationship with Clyde Christensen, I don't think he would throw himself saying he wouldn't be going above and beyond to tell me hey this is a guy for me to say on the show this is a special guy and i've always you know your words mean a lot and uh your reputation means a lot and and uh you know that i i really i probably am prejudiced i do love the kid and the family and everything about him, but I do think he's really special and has a chance to really play great football

for a lot of years. This is a guy who you could build your – a lot of those teams that need a quarterback up at the top, and a lot of it's who can you build it around, who can, you know, who can represent your team in the community, who can hang tough, who can make it through some tough times. And this kid has those kind of traits. He has an to he's gonna be there for a long time if he can learn to he's a little bit like andrew that he's got to learn to protect himself a little bit he plays a little reckless like most of these college guys do nowadays but gosh i just think it's it's

ahead of them and uh and uh i just some of the things i've heard out in the media i don't know if they haven't watched film or whatever, but in my mind, this guy's pretty darn special. He's a 6'4 1⁄2 kid who's a really good athlete, really good athlete. And so he processes information very, very fast. And I think probably the thing you always look at as a quarterback, is he going to get along with the team? Are they going to play for him?

And the great ones that I've been around all have that ability that their teammates respect and play for them. And this guy has that. This is an extremely popular kid and comes from a great family. Another trait that the three great ones, the great ones that I've been around from Hasselbeck to Manning to Luck to Brady, they all have great families. They come from good families. And I don't know if that's a prerequisite or not, but it certainly has been a trend for me that they just come from stable, good families with good mom and dad. And this

kid would be no different. This guy comes from four brothers and just has competed all his life and loves football, loves everything about football. Yeah, and you're not saying anything about anybody else whenever you're talking about Drake May. You're just pointing out why you believe Drake May is going to transcend in the men's league in a great fashion. One last question for me, and I know Darius got to meet that entire family you're talking about at a golf event,

and he loved the way his brothers were shit-talking him, which is a part, I think, of what you're talking about with the whole being liked by his team. But my last question is, they're all saying he's going to need at least a year. This guy's going to have to develop on his technique, his fundamentals, his footwork, his arm, everything like that. Is that every person that goes in the NFL would benefit from a year? Yeah, I think everyone would benefit.

These top picks don't get that. And I do think this is a guy who's coachable and you know he's going to do exactly what the coaches say he's going to be extremely compliant he wants to be great you know he's he you know i i just don't think it's going to take a year i don't i don't agree with some of the folks who said that may you know i think footwork you know just system wise he's going to get in if he can get in a good system and they're going to coach him and he's going to you know, I think footwork, you know, just system-wise, he's going to get in, if he can get in a good system, and they're going to coach him, and he's going to, you know, a lot of the college thing is just tempo and a lot of tempo and a lot of plays, you know, and this guy is a bright, bright, bright guy.

This guy reminds me of Peyton as far as processing information. No, but they both have that southern accent, so, you know, it's hard. They do have a Southern accent, and I certainly wouldn't put him in Peyton's category yet. He's got to do a lot before that. Processing information, getting along with teammates, being able to do it through

hard times and good times, handling both as a quarterback is huge in the NFL because it's a unique position and it buckles. I was looking at a stat the other day that under 50% of the first round picks hit and make it to a second contract with their same team. It's unbelievable.

46% I think? I think it was our QBs. For quarterbacks and wide receivers, even lower than that. I would say that coaches and media alike haven't cornered the market on evaluating these quarterbacks and figuring this thing out correctly. But, you know, I'm high, high, high on this guy.

I think he's a can't-miss guy, and I really think it'll be a guy that someone will take and build their whole franchise around. I love to hear that. I know North Carolina fans love to hear that. Drake May has to hear that and be pumped. And also, whoever ends up getting him has to be pumped to hear this is his guy who's been with him for two years. And once again, and I like that you threw Hasselbeck in there because Hasselbeck played a long time. We're talking about Hasselbeck, Luck, Manning, Brady.

This guy's been around. So, like, that was at Peyton's Hall of Fame party. And then there's a couple other photos where him and Tom are incredibly sweaty. I mean, just sweating their asses off, getting after it up there in Canton Ohio but like these are obviously heavy words coming from you yep there it is let's sweat all over this place with our Super Bowl rings at the Hall of Fame and celebrate at the Super Bowl party but like as soon as Darius met him literally the next day Darius at Radio Row was like I'm taking taking Drake May number one after playing a round of golf with him. Go ahead, D-Bud. Yeah, like Pat mentioned, got a chance Super Bowl week out there in Vegas.

We got paired up with Phil, and his dad was out there, his uncle. And obviously when you're golfing with somebody spending four hours, you're going to see them deal with some adversity. You're going to see some shitty shots if you're not getting paid to do that. But I came back to the boys and said, hey, this might be the guy. Because everybody at the top, especially when you're talking about talent, your splint hairs, Caleb, Jaden, Drake, they're all super talented. But day one, I think the locker room will kind of be behind this guy.

Any examples, I guess, with you behind the scenes with Drake maybe dealing with some adversity coming back to school, dealing with some things maybe on the field or off the field that you saw firsthand? Yeah, I think, you know, the injury, he got the high ankle sprain in the NC State game where we played poorly, and, you know, just watching him deal with that. I think watching him, even just how steady he's been through this process, and a lot of the media hasn't liked him and been some negative things out there.

Just, you know, he has that ability just it doesn't it doesn't penetrate you know he just kind of just keeps moving and keeps doing his deal and and uh so i think that would be one thing i think the other thing that jumped out at me when i first got here after you know i came this year and just kind of coach brown took me in and said hey you know help us out and we'll find some roles for you and hang around. But a couple of the big boys came after him in the portal with a bunch of money, and he walked into Coach Brown's office and said, hey, this is my school. I'm not leaving here for money. I am not leaving here in the portal or anything like that.

And I think he had a chance to go make a couple extra million dollars, and that shows you something. There's not many kids who just this is their school this is you know they're you know rah rah for your school and you're going to stay with it and no matter what and i think you know he played he backed up for a year or two and and then waited his turn so i think those are good characteristics to have in your quarterback so could you imagine though he goes to ohio state oh my god ohio state was driving State was driving on Michigan to beat him in the big house up there in Michigan, and there was a pick, obviously.

That guy's now transferred. Yeah, that's right. That guy was almost undefeated, McCord. No, it's— Throw a pick, you're gone. See, get the hell out of town. But there was a lot of people that were thinking, you know, Drake May was going to be on the market because North Carolina, ACC,

they're maybe not going to spend the money. And what I think he told us whenever we be on the market because North Carolina, ACC, they're maybe not going to spend the money. And what I think he told us whenever we had the game day for North Carolina and South Carolina is he didn't want to look at it. Like, I don't even want to hear about it. I don't even want to know. I want to be here. His family's obviously NC and comes from a good family. It's like interesting guy that you don't really hear about him much.

He's not on social media, feels like. He's just completely locked in on ball. Old school feel to him, which is probably why you also like him i love that part of you the stability thing's huge in the nfl you know there's so much going on and it's extra free time it's money it's uh pressure of having the whole city on your back and you know i've watched a bunch of guys do it and do it extremely well and the guys i've the guys that i've been around took franchises that hadn't been overly successful and just took them to the top. So I think this guy's going to do the same thing.

I laugh. This guy's had the same girlfriend since about the seventh grade. He's kind of an old-fashioned. I think he's a lot like Andrew that way. He comes across as kind of an aw shucks guy but absolutely knows exactly what's going on at all times and bright bright bright and almost uh almost embarrassed in an embarrassing way you know kind of is careful not to not to not to brag in any way he has a humility about him that i really really like that i think will carry it serve him well with his teammates and and uh in the league and yeah i'm just high

on this kid i think it's all in front of him. Yeah. Pac-Man has the last question for you here, Coach. Hey, Coach, you've been around a lot of the greats. You've been a pain in my neck. You've cost me some playoff money back in Texas. That's why I got some resentments, but go ahead. You've been around a lot of the greats.

As far as throwing the ball what are some of the tangibles that he have um yeah as of the guys that you've been around he has the obvious tangibles of being able to do things off schedule and and uh and probably the thing he's going to have to do is just learn how to do it on schedule a little bit more and just just progress through reads and stuff he has a deceivingly strong arm I think though I think whoever gets him will shorten his stroke down he's been working on shortening his stroke a little bit this offseason and uh he'll get that stroke a little bit shorter and more compact and I think he can improve his accuracy but he has an ability to anticipate

like uh like the great ones have I think think that's going to serve him extremely well. And then I think he has plenty of arm to make all the throws. And so I would say anticipation and arm strength, they're both going to be really good. I think the accuracy, the compacting the stroke a little bit, and then just the footwork in the pocket, those are to be things that he'll develop and get really good at here in the next couple of years.

Yeah, because things you can get away with in college, you can't necessarily get away with in the NFL. But everybody has to get better. Like, that is what the NFL is. You have to get better. So saying this guy's going to have to get better, it's like everybody has to get better. It's the men's league. But quarterback, they're saying, you know, you've got to be able to hit the layups. You've got to be able to hit the gimme's, the gimme's, the gimme's.

He's not going to miss the layups. This guy will not miss the layups. For every layup he missed, he hit about two half-quarters. Last question here. I lied to you. I lied to you here. Last question from Connor. Coach, I mean, everything you're saying,

you can see the Patriots helmet on this table. And by all accounts, Drake May is coming to New England. So this is all music to my ears. And, you know, there's been a lot of talk about the team that UNC had and kind of how they had a down year last year in comparison to his first year starting. What kind of happened in that situation? And also, they reference how Drake May had Tez Walker and everything.

How much work did they actually get in before they could play together? Because they only played six games together. Yeah, they didn't get hardly any because it was just kind of up in the air with that ruling. And it was kind of an odd deal. I think that would be another thing to Pac-Man's question. He's a guy who's adjusted to a bunch of different receivers. And, you know, it was only really started two years. So I do think both years they started 9-1.

And then this year we started 6-0 and then faded toward the end. And I think that's a combination of a lot of things. I think if you watched him, he would be the first to tell you he's got to play better and find a way to win games. But, you know, some of it is defense. Some of it is special teams. A lot goes into those things. Full team.

This kid's going to be fine. All right. We're thankful that you joined us, and I think Patriots fans are jacked. Yeah, I'd say. I'm not endorsing him going up to New England. Too bad, Clyde. Hey, too bad, Clyde. Sucks to suck.

He's covering New England. You're going to have to be a Patriots fan now. It's up to you. Tom did something, and I grew to love him. It'll take me a while to put on a Patriots You're helping the Patriots right now Yes you are You're bringing them back Clyde

You're the one that is going to be responsible for bringing greatness back to New England Thank you so much Way to go Clyde, I thought you were a Colt You're the best Hall of Famer in the future, ladies and gentlemen, Clyde Christensen. Yeah. That man is a college football national champion and a Super Bowl champion and a Ryder Cup

winner and a father of 10 and a man that's got a brand new set of teeth that look amazing. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Ha. Hey, they look good, AJ. Yeah, you know. Glad I did it. I was going to start losing teeth, I guess. Yeah, without my whole jaw sits in my mouth in the bite. Yeah, I was losing

teeth at a rapid rate. Yeah, so you know how I was just throwing my head into people and zero documented concussions just so we're on record. Well, that is true. So you can say whatever you want, but that is true. Well, that's because your teeth were your mouth guard. So the teeth were actually just dissolve and get beaten down so much

because that was his mouth guard. And, you know, they say that... What's the science on the mouth guard, AJ? We had one of the best doctors on the planet actually tell us they do not reduce or prevent concussions. That's a true story. They said

no research has indicated that it does. It does protect your teeth, though. I agree. You should protect your teeth, no question. Especially if they look like that. You pay for them, definitely. You pay for them. The talk table is here at Boston Cotton and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer. Cowboys turn digs is here. 12-year NFL vet Pac-Man table is here at Boston Cotton and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer. Cowboys turn Diggs is here. 12-year NFL vet Pac-Man Jones is here.

And host of everything DB, good D, bad D. 8, 9, 9. 9-year NFL vet. Ladies and gentlemen, Darius Butler. We have some massive news. More money coming out of the Detroit Lions organization. Penny Sewell, who is one of the, I think, the first draft pick of the MCDC. Yes, sir.

Brad Holmes era, I think. The first, this is our pillar, this is our staple guy. When they draft him, full celebration from the war room. We all remember that because it was obviously mocked and ridiculed because this was shortly after the opening press conference where MCDC came out and said, we're going to gnaw a kneecap on our way up. And if you knock us down again, we're going to take a chunk outnaw a kneecap on our way up. And if you knock us down again,

we're going to take a chunk out of your other kneecap on the way up. And everybody mocked him. And then when he drafted Penny, he was like, this is the perfect human for what we're looking to build here. And he has been steadfast a monster since day one. Who signs for $85 million guaranteed. So that's what? $152 million in guaranteed contracts that the Detroit

Lions have given out today. Amon Ross, St. Brown, now Penne Sewell, MCDC, and the pillars that they're building are going to be around for the long haul, AJ Hawk. Like foundational pieces, Sewell and St. Brown, are they in the same

draft class? Yes. Are they coming together? I mean, talk about you. You're hitting when that's your first draft class. And these guys are – they are like the Dan Campbell era, I feel like. So there's no way you can let these guys get out of the building. Pay them now because you know the price tag is only going up. Paying them before the draft. Going in, they want everybody to know who they are, what they are, how they are,

or just want to get it out of the way before they have to focus on all this? Yeah, probably just getting it out of the way, taking care of it. But to AJ's point, foundational pieces. And Pena is probably, what, 23, 22 at this point? Very, yeah. 23 going on 24. Yeah, one of the best young tackles in the game. And this reset the market for the tackles too, right?

I don't know. For right tackles, yeah. For right tackles, okay. I don't know, yeah, because some of these tackle dollars are absurd. It looks like he's getting paid left pretty much. Did they pay Decker last year, their left tackle, or do they have to pay him still? I believe he already got paid, him and Rack.

Penne has played both, though, right? Penne has played both when Decker's out, yes. And he picked it up. Yeah, exactly. He's an absolute freak athlete. As all AQ Shipley ever tells me, he's the most freak athlete at the offensive line position ever. So he could have technically, if he went over to left tackle,

experienced it from being a right tackle and said, nah, I'm a left tackle, you can trade me because I'll go somewhere else. Like Orlando, Brian Jr. did at Baltimore when he was a right tackle. Then they had him play left tackle for somebody that was injured, played most of the season very well. And then all of a sudden they're like, oh, you're going was a right tackle, then they had him play left tackle for somebody that was injured, played most of the season very well. And then all of a sudden they're like, oh, you're going back to right tackle. He's like, ah, there's a $7 million difference between this side and the other side whenever it comes to contracts. And with my dad, I think this is what I'm supposed to be.

This is what I'm destined to be. He gets traded, does get paid. That would be something that Penny could do, I guess, if they weren't planning on moving him back to left tackle? Or on the flip side, when they drafted him, everyone's like, alright, he plays left tackle, we already have a left tackle, so they're like, oh, Decker must be gone. But no, they made it work, and that's the reason the Lions found this fucking great

offense, is because it started with the O-line, and it's the reason Goff got good, and then it's the reason St. Brown's good, and then they're all getting paid. How about the Detroit Lions, Pac? It's never been like this for the Detroit Lions. People are pumped about who they're signing, and they're signing their own guys. Oh, I love it. And then they show the draft

class that's coming up right now. If you play good, you'll get paid. We're going to stick with the guys that are doing it the right way. I think this is good stuff for the Lions. The Lions are a really good team. I think they'll play away from being a really great team. How about the free agents also seeing this? They're taking care of their own here.

You know what I mean? Like, if you do the right shit, we're going to pay you. There are some buildings that hadn't done that in the past. And it's like, I don't know how you think that's going to bode for the humans that are actually going to be making decisions and giving effort. It's like MCDC, everything he laid out alongside Brett, everything they laid out is just coming to fruition. Yeah know golf gotta be next right yes golf's next for sure and that's gonna be a big one what does that look like how many years what does it look like

though uh i want to say i've seen on the internet like 45 50 million hey are you happy with how last year went yeah right 100 i didn't know that I didn't know that was going to be the case. Remember, we got into a full fucking fight about this. Yeah. I forget when it was. Yeah. You were a part of it. Still stand by.

Best season of my life, and I wasn't supposed to enjoy it because we lost. Yeah. That's what everybody's saying. That makes absolutely no sense. My team didn't win the Super Bowl, so I had to be pissed off. That is not what we said. You guys were predicting that that was going to be the case, that once they tasted the little bit of success, they're only going to be fully happy if they win a Super Bowl.

If not, it's going to be another letdown year for them. Well, now next year, though. This was the point. I think that was my point. You guys were saying it was happening this fucking year. Think about where this team was like a year or two ago versus where it is right now. They just signed their own guys, two of them, to so much money.

$152 million guaranteed on this one day. And those two guys, MCDC's first year and Brad Holmes' first year, they started the season 0-10. We were staring down the first 0-17 team ever, and then they obviously won a couple more games. But it was some tough times for all these guys. Which you guys would have been taking the tractor another round, another round, another round. Because you guys were the first team to go 0-16.

So you guys get 0-16 and 0-17. That'd be quite a little notch under the old belt there for the Detroit Lions. But instead now we sign these guys to massive deals. We keep our coach. We keep our GM. Everything's good. And they're happy about it. Hey, good for you guys. Hey, and that's why

the draft season is the best because our entire roster is all drafted players. The first move Brad Holmes made was trade for Jared Goff, get a million draft picks. He stuck with Jared Goff when everyone said, hey, draft a quarterback, get the next guy. Nope. We like Jared. We're going to draft a bunch of studs

around him, and now here we are. This is what Sean Payton's doing with the Broncos. He brings in Zach Wilson. I like Zach Wilson. I really like Zach Wilson. I'm wondering about the Broncos. What do you mean? What are you worried about? We know their social media department

is not scared to throw a player under the bus completely. That could have been Team 3. Let's ride. No, it was the Broncos. Remember, that's where we learned the let's ride thing from. Now, Team 3 has certainly done their fair share. They added into the party of, oh, let's dunk on Russell Wilson. But the social media department were the ones that were like, look at the behind the scenes of this fucking guy.

He'll say let's ride however you need him to. Let's go ahead and put that out there. So I don't know about their social media team. Good numbers, though. They probably did a whole victory lap that they started an entire trend. Even though they don't know, they're trying to get mocked the entire time. Now they released their new uniforms. These things suck.

Yeah, they stink. Yeah, they do. Really? And the good ones are sitting right there. Just go back to the old LA ones. They're so perfect. It's like unanimous. Even the people that like weird fashion stuff are like, these kind of crop.

These kind of crop. So you've got $83 million in cap hits over the next two years. Your jersey's a crop. Absolute crop, seemingly, is what everybody thinks. Now, once we see it in full speed, maybe we'll like it more. You get Zach Wilson over there. He looks like kind of Brown's jersey in the middle. The middle white one on the right.

New one's right, old left. Through the thing, though. Yeah, I agree. It looks like a USFL team. Excuse me, USFL. It looks like a Major League Soccer jersey. It looks like the Roadrunners meet me. MLS tarps are way better than those.

UTSA. Wait until you see a TST tarps. Just real quick. I had to pay a good amount of money for those. They're very nice. Bottom right's not terrible. But anyways, I mean, not great, though, with what it could be. Yeah, none of it's great.

Can I picture them on? Yeah, on. That does help. We don't know. Wait, are these alternates or are these what they're wearing? I don't even know who the guys are wearing them. The alternate is the old orange crush one that everyone loved, but that's what they're saying. Just go't even know who the guys are wearing them. The alternate is the old orange crush one that everyone loved, but that's what they're saying.

Just go back to those. Just do those. Yeah, I think they posted with some players in the uniforms. I don't know who this guy is. One of the guys had really hairy arms. He had pretty good hair as well. The promo video also just looked like

a commercial for a Bronco vehicle. Which? Those are cool. A lot of people own those. A lot of people own those. Cool car. I bet. Sick car, actually.

What happened? They should have just made their new logo the car. That would have been sick. Yeah. You know, if they just had a bunch of Bronco cars on their jersey and helmet, that would be sweet. Why don't they have that on on their jersey and helmet, like, that'd be sweet. Why don't they have that on the side of the helmet? Yeah, they all roll up.

The whole team rolls up in new Broncos. That would be a, I mean, here we go. We got the players coming in. Need to see them. I want to know if you guys know who this is. I don't know who these guys are. Because then I'm like, are these paid actors or these actual players on the team? Which then leads me to, oh, god damn.

They got to rebuild this entire team, and they have $83 million that they aren't able to use. Yeah, that's Singleton, right? Okay. I would have guessed Josie Jewell. He's gone. That's Javante Williams. He's just done.

And that's Denzel Mims. You're right. UTSA. It looks like UTSA. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to let you know, 49ers staring at me. I had no fucking idea.

That's the only reason I know. That is a fantasy football grab. That's the only reason I know that is because I had to pick up Denzel Mims in a couple leagues, and then on the other side, Javante Williams got hurt, and I had to get rid of him. Who's 49? Up north. I thought that was the Ohio State kid.

That's not Jewel? No, he plays in Carolina. To be clear, I only saw 49 in the jersey and I've no fucking, I know the paid actor. I've not, do you know who this is? I feel terrible. Bubble venture.

Your model can't wear a number 49. It's Singleton. He's a great player actually. Yeah, we know. Yeah. They didn't want to put certain on there in case it gets traded. It's Alex Singleton.

Just like we've been saying this whole time. Big 4-9. Yeah. 4-9. Corlin Sutton couldn't be on there in case he gets traded. Right. That's what I'm saying, though. They have no motherfuckers.

They got to rebuild that whole thing. They don't have 83 million. They should have put Sean Payton in a uniform. We know who he is. Or Kevin James, all three. If you got Sean Payton, you got a team. That's what I think. Everybody's just like.

That's what I think. Uniforms kind of crop. We don't have as much money as everybody else to spend. We've just got Zach Wilson and the Jets are willing to pay half that. And who knows how this is going to go. Maybe he'll be a guy. But once again, we cannot spend money like everybody else can for the next two years. It's like, what's going on, Devin?

They've got the richest owner. Punted on the whole season. It's April. Are you shitting me? They got the richest owner. They punted on the whole season. It's April. Are you shitting me? With Sertan right at the front. Okay, so I never saw that. That would have been a nice little introduction to the entire thing from my algorithm. Thanks, algorithm.

And Quinn Miners is in there. Oh, I'm in? Yeah. Okay, 49 is what I saw. Yeah, big 4-9-er. And I just saw 49 staring at me with good eyes, good hair. Yeah. I was like, I don't know who the fuck this guy is. I apologize. Alex Singleton.

That's on me, Alex. That's on me. But with that being said, it wasn't a good uniform. You knew it while you were wearing it. While he was putting it on, he was like, it's kind of crop. Yeah. Absolute crop. Maybe that's why they showed Sertain, and he's like, I'm not fucking putting that on.

No way. All fucking curly-haired guy who plays in the middle. Maybe that's why Russell Wilson didn't want to play there anymore. Maybe. Maybe that's why Sean Payton and Russell Wilson got into it last year. He's like, wait until you see the jerseys we're wearing next year. Russell said, I'm all wearing those. I ride it in that.

No. Is that right? I need you to take a pay cut then. I need you to stop with the guarantees if you get hurt. And Russell's like, I'm not doing that anymore. No. That's probably why he picked the Steelers too. Loves jerseys. Uniforms are awesome. Always have been.

Some places, Houston Texans I think just their new ones are so... They did it right. That looks sweet. They look good. And once again, Houston Texans seemingly, right, whenever we talk about a lot of different aspects of the business itself, doing things good. Doing things very good. I don't love the H. Me neither. You thought a different H was needed? Yeah, the uniform, cool. The H kind very good. I don't love the H. Me neither. You thought different H was needed?

Yeah, the uniform, cool. The H kind of stinks. I just like the old bowl. Toro? Yeah, the Toro. Me too. What's wrong with that? I think maybe it's just too many uniforms.

Everybody got a third heel. Every three fucking months, somebody's dropping a new version. Come on, dude. How are they supposed to move more jerseys? I want to see the Patriots play in the red. Those are sweet. Go to throwbacks.

Dolphins, Denver, Seattle. You think that's trash? She grew up tall and she grew up right with them Indiana boys on an Indiana night. They should put a zero on your jersey just because they're 0-1 in those things. It was a daytime game.

Watch your fucking mouth. It wasn't the jersey's fault. The jersey was supposed to be a primetime. Oh, man. It was at 1 o'clock. Fucking got your ass, brother. Oh, man. It was a 1 o'clock game.

Well, they didn't have any primetime schedule. What do you want them to do? They can only wear them during the day because they didn't get primetimes until the last game of the season when it became a strata. Yeah, whenever they announced it was Indiana night, so we looked at the schedule and we saw a 1 o'clock game. We said, what the fuck are we doing? But I would like to say.

Oh, you should have called me Indiana boys jerseys. I mean, could have been a lot of different things. Could have went different direction creatively, too. Yeah, absolutely. You know, and that's what they'll do again this upcoming year. Of course. You know how many of those jerseys sold? Six.

So many. A lot of them. Really? Oh, yeah. And for the Colts. That's kind of why we're doing this year. People are wearing them around town. Anthony Richardson jerseys?

All around town. It's all business related, you know? And that's why. But if they suck, we need to make sure we keep those in-house and not let them out. Because the Broncos don't need to be looking Mickey Mouse. What was it? The Buccaneers? They changed their numbers, what was it?

Five, six years ago? Oh, yeah. And that was the first one I really remember everybody being like, these are shit. And then they had to change again. You remember that? Yeah, the James jerseys. We just talked about this is shit and something's sucking. Marvin Harrison Jr. I saw you just signed with New Balance.

Whoa. And I mean, unless he's in that Indiana Knights jersey in a couple months, in a couple weeks, Marv, New Balance. New Balance, brother. New Balance, right?

Especially his pops. Senior, he used to be out there with the James. Jordan. He's Team Jordan. New Balance. Get your money, young man. So I think what potentially did happen there is because Marv did have that Jordan. He was on the Jordan team.

So I assume the family's thought is we need to get a shoe deal. And I assume potentially New balance came with a massive offer what the fuck is that oh i could kick a football so far in that those right there he's gonna have signature shoe right well you get it that's it that's the sweet one that's not it that's not it dude that's the guys wearing louis vuitton ones like six months ago. Yeah, but that's college more. We need a little bit more sauce on this. We do. Those are the MHA ones. We do.

These look like soccer cleats. They look like big Marv 22. You wouldn't let your TST team rock those. And there's a lot. I love Nubella. We made a decision, actually, that was going to cost us more money on the way we would look on the particular program. And that's a tough. that's the first one.

Remember Under Armour got in the shoes? They were ass. They were crop. He doesn't even know what team he's going to yet. Remember the nurse curries? Yeah, of course. You remember where they were? Yeah.

Those things – people are like, I'm going to go cut my grass in my – AJ was shilling those Under Armour cleats. Click, clack. Yeah. Those were sweet, though. And by the way, too, we brought it up earlier. The New Balance shoes have the Penske juice in them. Oh, the push to pat.

Bingo. They have those in there for them. Kawhi's a New Balance guy, right? Yes, exactly. Two peas in a pod. Nah, brother. I am happy it has a tongue though. I don't like the non-tongue shoes. I got a fatter foot. So there's ones where

the tongue is attached to the shoe oh god i can't do it i gotta turn my fucking foot sideways and then i gotta jam it jam it in there and it's always bent back in the back and then i gotta get my fucking finger in there somehow jam my finger in there to get it up and it's like oh it feels good doesn't it no it's a whole fucking song and dance to even get in here. I like that they have the tongue, the movable tongue. They're going to have to sauce that a little bit, though. And I think the New Balance logo is going to have to get a lot smaller. Almost as if it's not. Or add the B in there because it's just the N.

Yeah, they do need to change that logo. The N, it needs to be different. What if it's a Z? That's what I'm saying right there. This is a Z right now. Yeah, that's a Z. Hold on. The NB is cool.

That's not what he's going to wear. He's going to wear something more, you know, catered to whatever team. He's wearing those. What are you talking about? I don't know. He designed them. Are those New Balance gloves, too, or those cutters? It's prototyping.

I don't know. Those suck. You don't know. Foxy. I blame Nike for not throwing them enough money. Those suck, guys. Agree. I'm right there with you, AJ.

Nike, Jordan. It's their fault. Well, is he even allowed? Wait, can you wear New Balance, or do they have to wear Nike no matter what? I think you can now. I think it's licensed now. You can, yeah. New Balance has to pay the NFL a certain amount of money to get onto the field.

Like $12. Kickers used to be able to wear whatever. We were exempt from the rule whenever it was. Not anymore? I think still exempt. Yeah, I think still exempt. I don't know what the rules are about who's allowed on, who's allowed off. Because you would think if Marvin Harrison signed a deal that they would be able to get on the field.

Because if they're not able to get on the field. Other guys wear New Balance. Other guys have New Balance cleats they wear now. If he's rolling around in A6. Some quarterbacks have got New Balance deals. I've seen quarterbacks. Remember those Reeboks that Peyton and Eli used to wear that went up to their knees? Yeah.

Boxing boots. Reebok had a license with the NFL. And Peyton and Eli used to wear that went up to their knees? Yeah. Boxing boots. Reebok had a license, though, with the NFL. And Peyton would show up at training camp. Like, day six, people are getting tired. He'd come out with a visor on and those fucking moon boots. And he would just start jogging his warm-up as if nothing was happening. And they were so fucking large, heavy, just in the way, obnoxious looking. And that's what shoes were at one point.

And then you look at this now, there's like carbon fiber in the bottom of that thing. Kevlar. So it can be lighter. New Balance has three athletes, Chase Young, Will Anderson, and now Marvin Harrison Jr. Was Will and Chase wearing New Balance on the field? I don't think so. There's no way.

It could be an apparel deal like Tony Romo. He comes off the field, takes his helmet off, puts a new bounce ball cap right on. Like he had to a starter. They got a bunch of basketball guys. This is the first pair of cleats they've ever made. Are they able to get on the field? I'm not trying to be

a fucking guinea pig. I agree. First pair of cleats a new bounce has ever made in 100 and some years. There are some. The white ones are a lot better than those ones. I like some nice white cleats. I like nice clean white cleats. You know, a little black.

Oh, they ain't that bad. The other color. The white ones look better. They should pop up. Yeah, pop up the white ones. Oh, okay. The Burn X. The Burn X4s.

The first cleat. We're looking at a Zion at Duke Nike shoe situation. If this is the first cleat, he's going to cut for a slant, and the whole entire cleat is going to explode. No, they've made soccer cleats for years, though. Golf spikes. Oh, sorry. How many slants are they running?

These ones are under lacrosse. This is our first football cleat. Great. Yeah. That's a problem, Marv. No, you just add one more cleat. Soccer cleats and football cleats now, very similar. I mean, there used to be stories about wide receivers and DBs.

I think Frank Gore even wore soccer cleats. I think Ocho, too. Ocho, I know Wo did, Ron Landry. Yeah, there it is. He was a soccer cleat guy, for sure. But the only difference with football is there's a cleat right in the front middle. Yeah. Like soccer, you're not allowed.

That is actually what bans the cleat from soccer is if you have one in the front middle but without tight shoes have all gotten now at this point it used to be just a couple positions everybody else said thicker now it's just like who can make the lightest most track uh traction cleat possible if newbots about to come in and change the game wait a minute i don't know if they get on the field though i have no idea if they can get on the NFL. If they're not licensed, you can wear them in spat, maybe. I don't know. I don't know what to do. Is there a unanimous cleat that everyone loved? Nike.

Speed. The vapor. The speed vapor, yeah. Everybody. Everybody. I used them to kick. Yeah, and they was comfortable. Light, comfortable. They just stopped. You can't find them. They changed them. They changed the design. The Lowe's felt like there was actually support there

for somehow, someway. Those were the best shoes. Back in 2007, 2004, in that era. Those speeds were really nice. Nike Speed TDs. Nowadays, they're all so... Remember the Vapors?

I wore those in college, I believe. There was nothing to them. Zero support. They felt great. That's how all of them are now, I guess. That's the Vapors. Remember the Vapors? Yeah, the Vapors. I wore those in college, I believe. There was nothing to them. Zero support. They felt great. That's how all of them are now, I guess. Yeah. That's crazy. Well, ankle braces and people taped their ankles and all that. How do we feel about what Devin Haney was wearing in the ring?

That's fashion. You shouldn't get knocked out when you're wearing it. He had Uggs boots on all night. That's interesting. You believe Garcia? He said he was trolling everybody the whole time? I believe it. He said he's got it on tape, so we'll know.

He might have taken it a little bit too far by just giving up 1.5 million. If it was all planned out and he knew it was going to go over by three pounds, just giving up 1.5 million seems to be a little bit, maybe too good of a gimmick. Maybe you could pause that at just 500,000.

But then to bet on himself and how he looked. I didn't know boxers could bet on themselves. Yeah, that's what happened. Oh, yeah. Floyd. I feel like that could be a little problem. Yeah, betting against yourself probably because then you're throwing fun. Bet on yourself is good, right?

Yeah, but stay away from the general. But, I mean, I guess. You're making 12 mil off of it. I mean, it's great for him. When it's in basketball, real big issue you bet against your team. Like Jaunte. Jaunte, yeah. When it's in football, real big deal you bet against your team.

Boxing, though, I think guys have been betting on themselves because of the lack of purses in some promotions for a long time. It's just like accepted in all of them.'t know that it was me but individual sport though too yeah i think it was a big just you know good gimmick by him good job i mean yeah he really he played it off a guy might be a true thespian yeah yeah made a lot of money okay fool everybody yeah you certainly did he was making headlines everywhere yeah look at this all right it's not safe to let this fucking guy fight so you could can die. He's going to die, people are saying. He's too dumb and too crazy.

He's not in good enough shape. He's been drinking. Hey, look at the mental stability of this man is at zero. How are we going to let him go fight another man, especially an undefeated guy? And then he's just like, you remember those videos? His prayer at the press conference was one of my favorite prayers I've seen. Thank you, Jesus.

Now he ended it. Put my dick in your mouth, bitch. Thank you, Jesus. Now he ended it. Suck my dick. Put my dick in your mouth, bitch. I mean, it was crazy. Yeah, it's what he said. It was crazy, right? Yeah. He played it off.

That's what he was looking for. What a win. Yeah. I mean, he beat the fuck out of them. Where does he go from here? Where do you go from here? Go back to... Well, you hopefully don't go back to the owl out there in the woods. You know what I mean?

Where it all started, they said. Dedicating his time to the owl out there in the woods. You know, where it all started, they said. Dedicating his time to the kids. All right, as we wrap up on this glorious Marvin Harrison had a lot of say in the design. We didn't see the right color, Marvin. The white ones we've heard are awesome. A little bit better.

We'll wear them. We'll wear them. Yeah, for sure. When we're playing pickup football, we'll support the biz because we want to make, right? Yeah. Hey, New Balance has been doing their thing

off the field. Their new line of shoes are very comfortable. We're talking strictly football. People got into wearing New Balances there for a while, right? K-Swiss had a run, then New Balance had a run. Those suck, too. What the hell?

They're better than the other. You can make those look fire, bro. The second row is much better. You can make those look fire. Are those the same row is much better. You can make those look 5. Are those the same, the top and the bottom? You got an all-white night? Don't have to say New Balance right there. That's the inside.

Yeah, I hate the New Balance written out. What a joke. These are lacrosse shoes is what I've been told. What does that mean? Lacrosse shoes? I think they got a couple extra spikes. But if you click on the black one, it looks the exact same as the ones that he was holding up. So I figured that was...

Right? Hey, those are tough. Those are tough. I just straight up... Go back to the lab, New Balance. Go back to the lab. Not that I am the critic or whatever, but that top left one is tough to look at and say, you know what?

Yeah, I'm going to put that one on my foot and walk outside. I like shoes. I like shoes. I like shoes. Maybe that's why Marvin's doing it. He's doing new bounce keys. You know what? That always becomes a thing. Not my football.

I heard Jaden Daniels and Caleb are thinking about it, but not Drake Mayne. All right. Don't do that. Don't do what you're doing. That's just the word. Ladies and gentlemen, before we get out of here, remember we're off tomorrow during the day, but we are on starting at 730 through 4 a. on starting at 7.30 through 4 a.m. We'll call it.

4 a.m. A lot of surprise guests. We have no idea who's actually going to be joining us outside of, you know, Bill Belichick, who will be there because, you know, everything's so let's see how it goes. Let's see how it goes. Might be six GMs joining us, some head coaches, maybe some draft picks, maybe some college coaches. But it's all like kind of like let's see how it all plays out. Let's see how everybody's night goes.

Don't want to make somebody say, yeah, they'll come on, but then they're in the middle of celebrating life so much. They feel obligated to do a program. Or the flip side. Or life sucks. Yeah, don't need you to come on and ruin our life. Keep your shit to yourself. Like when Vrabel had to trade A.J. Brown. Bingo. That would have been like a, hey, don had to trade A.J. Brown. Bingo.

That would have been like a, hey, don't worry about it. That would have been bad news. Rogers 2020 when he was supposed to come back, and then they drafted Jordan Love. It's like, you know what? Maybe it's not the right time. Everything's all we'll see, but I think it's going to be must-see. At least some of it will be.

Yeah. Speaking of must-watch, ladies and gentlemen, it is time for us to debut a man's mock draft that should be taken seriously. Yeah. Always. Now, it's hard to, though, because the last few years, this man has had the worst mock draft out of all the mock drafters by a point system by a wide margin. Now, the first year he did it, he was so bad, we thought to ourselves, he's got to get better. Now, the first year he did it, he was so bad, we thought to ourselves, he's got to get better.

The next year, he lost by more somehow with the point system that we put in place about getting a pick right, getting a trade right, getting a trade and a pick right with the team. There's an actual scoring system that we pieced together. This guy was the worst every time we did this. Without a doubt. Are you sure? Yep. Definitely.

Very sure. Cap track. Yeah. It was pretty easy because just one of the moves beat him for a couple of different guys. He is due. This is his year. This year might be, though, the one. Yep.

Ladies and gentlemen, with Mitt's mock draft, version 1.0, Mitt. Let's go, dude. Let's go, dude. Let's fucking go. Let's go, dude. Let's fucking go. Let's fucking go. We did the thing with the ears, and then the ears looked terrible. Let's go, dude. Let's fucking go. Let's go, dude. Let's fucking go. Let's fucking go.

We did the thing with the ears, and then the ears look terrible. Yeah, they never look good. Which camera I got? This one? Oh, yeah, you already mic'd up. Oh, yeah. Let's go. We got the lob on.

We got the ears in. I can't really hear that well, but I can kind of hear it. Well, yeah, because they're not in there. Turn it up a little bit. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. But we can get right into it. Just get into the draft. Mitch Mock. Mitch Mock. Mitch we can get right into it. Just get into the draft. Mids mock.

Mids mock. Mids mock. Mids mock. Why are we at it? Why don't you work the camera there, man? I like what you're doing, pal. Here we go. Here we go.

So we're going to start with pick one. It's Caleb Williams, as of everybody else and their mom. And we can go right on to pick number two here with Jaden Daniels. I have – Good flow here. Yeah, let's go. Jaden Daniels. Now, 50 total touchdowns this last year, 40 in the air, 40 on the ground.

People kind of think it could be more. 80 touchdowns? 80 touchdowns? Oh, shit. 50 total touchdowns, 40 passing, and then 10 on the ground. There we go. There we go. There we go.

I would say that would be nuts. Yeah, I mean, only four picks. Dude's an absolute fucking dog. And, I mean, only four picks. Dude's an absolute fucking dog. And, I mean, he's the Heisman winner. Had the best season last year. I would probably take him number one. His golf game stinks at Topgolf. I mean, do you have to be a good golfer to be a good quarterback?

I don't really think so. It probably does help. You're taking him one, though, you said, if you were the Bears. I would take him over Caleb Williams just because of, I think he's polished. I think he's more ready to play right now. He spent five years in college. Started all five of them. So this isn't like what you would do. This is what you think's

going to happen with lesser minds. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Got it. Bingo. And then we can go on to Drake May, who is not a bad athlete himself. 6'4". Yeah, let's go. Connor's getting his guy. Let's go. I mean, he probably won't have a career like Tom Brady, but that's the hardest ceiling to really get to.

He might have a career similar to Andrew Luck here. He is huge. But he's going to keep playing. Hopefully. Thank you. There we go. He's huge. I think he ran a 4.6 at his pro day.

4.5. I mean, he had a 4.61. But he had a couple bad picks that probably knocked him down from the Jaden Daniels rankings of really the beginning of the year. And then we can go right to Marvin Harrison Jr. With new balance. New balance. He's going to be crushing it in those new balance cleats.

And, I mean, the asking price probably just will be too high for the Cardinals to pass up on him. I mean, they just got rid of will be too high for the Cardinals to pass up on him. I mean, they just got rid of Kyler Murray's number one weapon. They've got to add somebody. So go ahead and take him. And then I have a trade here. A lot of people do have this trade.

It's a hard shot taking a shot on a trade here. No one really knows what's going to happen. But Vikings do have two first-round picks this year. They need a quarterback. And, I mean, J.J. McCarthy is an absolute stud. He's lost, what, one game in his three years starting, I'm pretty sure. And then, I mean, he's a national champion. You can kind of go on and on about him.

Hockey guy. Oh, yeah, big hockey guy. He's just an absolute talk. He'll love Minnesota. He'll fit right in there. Meditate. And then Malik neighbors I have going number six, which, I mean, they're going to probably stick with Daniel Jones if J.J. McCarthy gets taken with the fifth overall pick.

I don't really see them reaching that far for somebody like Pennix. What about the press conference, though? Did that change you at all whenever with Daniel Jones at the press conference just a few weeks ago? You know what? Daniel Jones' eyes, I think that means he's just more locked in and more focused this year. To get Malik Naver's ball.

And so with those big eyes, he's going to be able to see Malik Naver's downfield. He can separate at the top of routes, separate under. Why don't they measure an eye size? I don't know. That's a good point. That's never talked about. What the hell?

I mean, he's a dog. We do it with Trubisky. Boom. He did have little, yeah, beady eyes. Beady little eyes. That's not going to work. That's not going to work. He did. Bad perisky. Boom. He did have little, yeah, beady eyes. Beady little eyes. That's not going to work. That's not going to work. He did.

Bad perif with those eyes. But, I mean, should they go with a quarterback here? Probably not just because of the way that the draft is playing out in my little mock here. And then Joe, the Titans, I mean, they got away from the ground and pound game. They got rid of Derrick Henry, shipped him out. They shipped out basically everybody else. So, I mean, shit, we'll let us need somebody to protect his blind side.

He might as well have somebody. It's a big son of a bitch. Oh, yeah. Joe Waltz, an absolute fucking dog. Right next to Skornowski. Oh, yeah. Think about that. He'll be dreaming down there in Nashville. He'll be writing songs about it. It would be absolutely nasty.

But then I'm going to take one defender in the top ten. Dallas Turner, edge from Alabama. Sorry, I kind of forgot that. That's okay. You fucked up the next pick, too. Yeah. Brock Bowers is a tight end. You put wide receiver, but he might not block anybody. Might You put wide receiver Might not block anybody

Might not block anybody He might be playing wide receiver Dallas Turner here He's a 10 digit sack guy this last year In Alabama showing a bunch of production 10 digits 10 digit pass rusher That's a billion

That's a billion Yeah 100,000 sacks a game Oh shit yeah It's a billion. There's only a couple people that said it. That's a billion. Yeah. About 100,000 sacks a game. Oh, shit, yeah. Yeah. That's production. Double digit is what you're looking for. Keep it going.

That's what I mean. No, he's going to be a 10-digit motherfucker, this guy. You got to be. Jesus, fuck. Okay. Well, there's a chance. Hey. We chose to do this live.

Yeah. For this exact... Mitt, you're a beauty, pal. You're killing it. This is the best one you put together in my eyes. I mean, we just said, stick with the guns here. And then Brock Bowers, it is listed as wide receiver on the graphic. He is technically a tight end. I do think he's going to be split out wide a lot. Oh, so you did that

on purpose? Yeah, sure. Okay, yeah. Everybody is saying that Caleb Williams is the next Patrick Mahomes. Everybody's saying he's the next Jason Kelsey. So, Travis Kelsey. They might fly him in. I have been crushing

him. He's the first wide receiver center since Griff Whalen. There we go. I'm absolutely crushing this one, but I do like Brock Bowers if they take him here. I know that Roma Dunze and Caleb Williams have been throwing the ball together. That might just be some fun times. But they might be playing together. I don't know.

But if Roma Dunze does fall to number 10, I think the Jets have to take him. They are kind of slim in the wide receiver department past Mike Williams and Garrett Wilson. So he's been playing on the inside, on the outside, has had 1,000 yards two years in a row. I mean, he's an absolute beast. But, yeah, so that's the top 10. Do you have the full 32?

You did great on top 10. Do we have the full 32 graphic or just the top 10? We do not have a graphic for the full 32 but I do have a full 32 that you'll tweet out. Yes, that I will tweet out. Alright, we're proud of you. Let's get a photo for this. Let's get a photo for this.

There you go. You killed it, man. Good job, man. Ladies and gentlemen. Great job, man. Ladies and gentlemen. There job, man. Ladies and gentlemen, man. There's a couple more. Is that a – There's a couple more. Here's who he did for the Indianapolis Colts.

We're taking Terryon Arnold, corner from Alabama. I like that. Everybody's talking about him being the second Alabama DB getting drafted first round. Steelers taking Brian Thomas, Jr. wide out on LSU. Logically, it makes sense because they need a wide receiver. He did not come in for a top 30, and they haven't drafted someone who didn't come in for a top 30

in a long time. Good news for the Dolphins. You lose Christian, but you gain Jerzo and Newton. He tackled out of Illinois. It's who we wanted all along. That doesn't seem authentic. He's a Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year. Look out. I would go offensive line. That doesn't seem authentic. Big 10 defensive player of the year. I would go offensive

line. That's just me. This would be second best. Well, Mitt isn't thinking about what he would do. Remember, this might be him thinking what other people would do. They have lesser brains. He might be on the same page as you. And then the Packers are taking Iowa Hawkeye legend from the Caucus Mountains. Watch.

Son of a bitch. Cooper Dijon. What's wrong with you, D-Bot? Pat said that. You're giggling. You too, Pat. This is why Mitt's my GM, though. Because he just gets it.

He just gets it. What if he throws a perfect game? I think there's a huge chance. I mean, aside from like four or five of them, I feel real good about this mock. What happens if Brock Bowers is drafted as a tight end, though? And not as a wide receiver? He doesn't get that position points away.

Six years from now, he's going to look like a genius when they're a little thin at center and they have to fucking slide him over. And he is the next Jason Kelsey. And we're going to come back to this and they're going to be like a genius when they're a little thin at center and they have to fucking slide him over. And he is the next Jason Kelsey. And we're going to come back to this and they're going to be like, Jesus, what if Dallas Turner does get 10 million sacks in one season? Yeah, what do you even think about that?

Billion. Jokes on us. Then we're the assholes. If this guy gets a billion fucking sacks, what a career. It's going to be tough, dude. I think it's going to be tough. But anyways.

Best ever. Mate, you did great, buddy. Proud of you, mate. That's by far the best he's done. By far. I think so. Oh, yeah. We got a little glimpse into his earlier, you know, the preview edition.

That was no hyperbole. That was 150 billion times better. Seriously. Wait, he did like a little rehearsal? Ten digits better. Bingo. When I went to Raw on Monday. Seriously. Wait, he did like a little rehearsal? Ten digits better. Bingo. When I went to Raw on Monday, the green screen was being used

by Mitt on my way out. So, as I land, I get an eight-minute video texted to me, and it is obviously grainy as hell, and it's Mitt going through his mock draft and i didn't get to watch it because it was so grainy and it came through real small and everything

like that 15 minutes i was excited to see it yeah in the morning and i walk in and i go i got sent an eight minute video from mitt or whatever and ty just goes and i'm like uh i'm like what's that? and he goes no hyperbole none and he's picking a zin out I think he goes worst piece of content that has ever been created and he goes don't watch that do not waste your life

I did yesterday Mitt's not supposed to be recording he's a live animal we put him in a corner he gets inside his own head he not supposed to be recording. Mitt's a live animal. Yeah. Yeah, he is live. We put him in a corner. In a cage. He gets inside his own head. He wants it to be perfect. It's never going to be perfect.

He's a perfectionist. He's chasing perfection, but he's never going to get there. Said, hey, listen, you're a live animal. Let's do this live. Here we are. Boom. Dude. That guy's got a really good gig.

Someone send me that. Someone send me that eight minutes. I think we have the 55-minute uncut. I'd just like to see the progression. Bruce Brown in the back sitting over Ty's shoulder as we're talking about that. He goes,

there could be a blooper reel that would be really good. Oh, it would be gold. He kept on trying to not say fuck and then he would be like, fucking fuck! Yeah, he said fuck. And maybe did it 50 times. And that was because he thought we were airing this

hour one. No, no. I don't think so. Don't do this. He just crushed it. Maybe just a little bit. We'll set it up. We will give him an opportunity.

He's a live animal. We will put a blooper reel together to Bruce Brown's big-brained idea for sure. Five years from now, this will be the gold fucking standard. Four for him, three, four. Matt Mel, Mel Kiper, these guys have been doing it

30, 40. The best part of this was he was pointing to the board like a weather map. But with, I don't know. His number 10 throw, too, was a nice, like, and at number 10, we got the New York Jets taking Rome. Did he use the green screen in the eight-minute video that sent you? Yeah, this is it right here. This is the same video I got.

But with nothing on the green screen? Yeah. Just video that sent you yeah yeah this is it right here this is the same video i got but with nothing on the green screen yeah just the yeah i think i don't know i literally as soon as i saw it i said i'm not watching that and then it was so small it was so small i know i know exactly what happened yeah there's no there's no point to watch it because even if it's a great video you can't tell because how small and shitty the quality i have no idea yeah so i didn't watch it he did say one of the issues he ran into, he was pacing back and forth during the entire eight minutes, so he said, I was covering up the graphics a lot, so it was probably a good thing that we didn't use that one. He's the best. He is. Way to go,

Mitt. All right, we're out of here. We're back tomorrow at 7.30 Eastern for the Draft Spectacular Kickoff, hosted by Bill Belichick. That'll roll right into draft night. We have a surprise guest on the books that is not of the football world. That will blow some minds.

We know who it was last year. Tony, what the fuck? What are we just leaving breadcrumbs out here? We're not Taylor Swift. I'm saying expect big things. This one's going to be wild. Red Panda, you're talking? She was here last year. She's an icon.

She just hit one the other day and somebody said, this is the greatest thing I've ever seen. She's been doing that for 20 years. She's only missed like twice. As a playoffs too. Isn't she amazing? Is she the only one doing that or is there anyone else in that game? I don't know if she has any competition.

I think she's probably. Just her. She's got a stranglehold on it. Anyone even tries to do it, those people die. Well, the quick change people did die, right? One of the quick change? Yeah, one of them did. Sorry, what?

Huh? From changing too quickly? No. Yeah, took their legs off. I actually don't know. I don't know if they got changed too fast one night. I don't know if that's the case. But they're the ones that were able to change in front of the entire arena like 30 times.

You've seen these? No, never seen them. It's like the halftime of the NBA game, Max. Yeah, they bring up the thing and they bring it back down and they're in a completely different fit. And then confetti comes down at the end. And they were electrifying because the music was on. They were dancing. It was a couple.

It was a halftime show. Yeah. Like Red Panda. That's where Red Panda makes her living. She's a halftime show. Yeah. Like Red Panda. That's where Red Panda makes her living. You know, she's a halftime show. It's a perfect six to seven minute act. And I think they just go on tour. And they go NBA.

And quick change people were always electrifying. Rest in peace. I think one or two of them are dead. Are we bringing back the great American escape artist? Michael Malone? Oh, my goodness. It's Michael Gallagher. He ate all those. They need artist? Michael Malone? Oh, my goodness. It's Michael Gallagher. He ate all those needles.

Michael Malone. Michael Malone is the head coach of the Nuggets. Friend of the program. There's more than one Michael Malone. Michael Mitchell right now. His last name ain't Malone. Yeah, he swallowed needles. Yeah, you were there. Yeah, a hundred needles.

Is that what he said? He kept hitting them. Yeah, he punched himself so hard. Oh, my God. That guy what he said? And he kept hitting them. Yeah, he was punching himself so hard. I'm like, all right, that guy's dying in front of me. That guy was a sicko. I don't know what the fucking insurance is in this place, but I know a dead man is going to be a problem. Yeah.

So what happened? You didn't know he was going to die? No, we went to his website. It was just standard, you know, godaddy.com. Yeah. Just basic-ass website. Booked the great American escape artist. Feels like he got it figured out.

So when he shoved needles down his throat, you didn't stop him? No. It's like, you don't know Mike Malone. Yeah. No. You don't know Mike Malone. His career taking off. Has it?

Sure. Yeah. Have you? Oh, my God. Look at this guy. Conor's in full pads. Washington Pants. Oh, shit. look at this guy. Conor's in full pads. Washington Panthers. Michael Mitchell.

I need one of these kids. The dramatics of this guy. We almost missed three draft picks. I guess it would take me a while to swallow these two. Fucking suck yourself. Conor, way to go, dude. Oh, he has that tongue that you write home about, too. You should have punched him in the stomach, Conor, way to go, dude. Oh, he has that tongue that you write home about, too. You should have punched him in the stomach, Conor.

Left foot. Oh, there we go. Playing the piano. You all right? What did he do with those, you think? They were fake needles? Mad Mel looking over. Mad Mel's roasting him, I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, oh, yeah, cooking, because he can't hear him. Michael Malone cannot hear Matt Mel. I didn't know he put the breast spray in. I didn't know that. Told AQ to chokeslam him. Still smelled terrible. Well, then he did the knot tie thing, you remember? He's got some black teeth back there, by the way.

Come on. The dramatics is what I was about done with here. There was another pick being had. I'm like, all right, Michael Malone. All right. Well, then he had the, you know, if you just set your mind to it, you can do anything. He had that long spiel at the end. Oh, yeah.

It was a good speech. He was motivational. Yeah. Yeah, and you couldn't see it there, but his tongue was going fucking crazy. What? He was showing me his teeth. What's your tongue? You are not real?

I don't know why. Thank you, Shipley's mind blend down here, clapping in the lower corner. You look amused. Pac might be becoming a chair in that little shot there. Melting. All right, I'm done with Michael Moore. Yeah, I can't believe that happened. Why did we do that?

He is captivating. He sucked us in again. We learned. We learned. We learned our lesson. All right. Pac-Man, you want to do a giveaway for the people on this beautiful Wednesday? Yeah, what are we doing? What are you going to do?

What would you like to do, Conman? Oh, me? I mean, shit. We could do anything. I'd go basketball from the stage again as redemption, but that's just me. How'd it go? I don't remember. I do not remember.

It didn't go great. Fucking throw a football. Oh, he shot from the corner. Shot from the corner. That's what I'm saying. Stage. Three cone drill, maybe? Let's amp it up a little. Three cone.

Is this not the NFL draft? I'm going to say, yeah, NFL draft. Fucking put a football in one of the target holes over there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. For Drake May. Got footballs. Got a shit ton of them, too.

Final boss over there wide open. Yeah, we got. Hold on. That's not. Yeah. I didn't know that was a trash can. I thought that was just a bin. Because we had a curtain over top of it. We didn't take the final boss out of the trash. It could be whatever you set your mind to.

Yeah, that's a bin. That's not a trash. That's a bin. We don't put trash in there. No, never have. Ever, actually. That became a magic bin for us. And a rock popped out. Ta-da! Exactly. Boom, all right, let's keep Rocky there. No, never have. Ever, actually. That became a magic bin for us. Yes. And a rock popped out. Ta-da! Exactly.

Boom, alright, let's keep Rocky there. And then we lose. I wonder what we had to cover up that we just ripped that, oh, probably a desk up here at some point. Rip it off the fucking bin. Now we got a trash can. It looks like we put the final boss in the trash can. We did not. We did not. Would never. Never ever. No, fuck that! Would never. Exactly.

Look at your boy. Yeah. All right, Pac-Man. If you're able to throw a football into one of those three holes on that net over there, we'll give 25 people $500 on this glorious draft spectacular Eve Wednesday. All you gotta do, ball, hole,

easy, shit, Adam Pac-Man Jones. I'm in love. Oh. Easy. Come on, Pac. Shit. Adam. Pac-Man. Jones. I'm in the... Oh, no. Slick ball. Whoa. Rub it down. Yeah, yeah.

Beat him up. NFL quarterback's going to beat up ball. Get in the hole. Yep, got it. Pay! Holy hell. Middle one. Let's go.

Nice. Let's go. Nice try. What a throw. That made it back. 25 people. $500. Pretty simple. Easy a throw. That'd be a pack. 25 people, $500. Pretty simple. Easy as that.

That was a good clean catch up there by you two and a hand down. Let's go, Pac-Man. That a baby. I like those vibes. Yeah. All right, we will see you tomorrow. Let's have the greatest draft spectacular of all time. Hell yeah, we will.

Yep. Let's enjoy it all. AJ, you're the man. Pac-Man, good luck with the gigs. Yes, sir. Good luck with the gigs. As this show ends, we will showcase the giveaways from last week, the winners, and then

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