The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1120 - Matthew Tkachuk, Bears GM Ryan Poles, WWE Superstar Drew McIntyre, Chargers GM Joe Hortiz, Pacman Jones, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: May 1, 2024

On today’s show, Pat, Pacman Jones, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about the situation going on between Marvin Harrison Jr., the NFLPA, and Fanatics, as well as the situation happening right now with Deion and Shedeur Sanders and some former Colorado players who recently transferred and what the expectations for Colorado this upcoming year. They’re also joined by several great guests including Left Wing for the Florida Panthers Matthew Tkachuk (24:12-49:31), Chicago Bears GM Ryan Poles (1:18:34-1:37:14), WWE Superstar Drew McIntyre (1:46:33-2:10:35), and Los Angeles Chargers GM Joe Hertz (2:11:47-2:37:35). Make sure you subscribe to YouTube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. Or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on Wednesday. It's gonna be May 1st, 2024. This program starts now. Sports. Our wonderful sports are amazing. Last night there was two series in the NHL that ended. Congrats to the Caniacs, getting a big time win. They are the odds-on favorite to win Lordo. And congrats to the Colorado Avalanche. Knocking out the Winnipeg Jets, who we fell in love with just last week. Their season's over, but the Avalanche shall continue.

The NBA had a big night last night. All those series are continuing. The Los Angeles Lakers obviously out. What's LeBron James going to do? That'll be talked about for the next two months, especially with the USA team coming around the corner with the Olympics. We have a massive show today. Massive show today. We got Matthew Kachuk of the Florida Panthers joining us. He's an absolute stallion from the Kachuk family. His dad, Big

Walt, was in the NHL. His brother, Brady, is in the NHL. And then he is obviously leading the Florida Panthers to a spot that nobody really thought. They won the first-round series against Tampa. Hell yeah. Big Florida Panthers fan, Darius J. Butler is here, nine-year NFL vet. I know you're excited to talk to Kachuk.

This man, last year, he had a broken sternum, broken spine, broken femur. They put his ass on skates and had him go play. You're talking about one of the toughest guys on earth. Can't wait to chat with him in a matter of moments. Ryan Poles, general manager of the Chicago Bears, will be joining us at 1.20 Eastern time. We thought there was no chance anybody from Chicago

was ever going to come on our program again, even though we thought we had good relationships with Ibrafluis and Poles and even Caleb after meeting him at the draft. President of the Bears, we've obviously said, ah, this guy's a doofus for some of the things he's done in the past. Thought that was going to get held against us. Instead, Ryan Poles coming on the program, extending an olive branch. Hey, Mr. Warren, you might not have been right for the Big Ten commissioner,

but you might be right at home as Chicago Bears president. Thanks for letting the GM come on. Can't wait to chat with him. They had a big draft, obviously. Drew McIntyre, Scottish warrior, will join us at about 1.45 Eastern time. And then brand new GM for the Los Angeles Chargers, Joe Hortiz, will join us at 2.15 Eastern. So today is packed with a lot of stories and bullshit to chit-chat about. We can't wait to dive into all of it.

Rabbit, rabbit to all of you on this first day of May. The Talks at the Table is here at Boss of Corner and at Ty Schmidt. Do you have a dorsal fin? Yeah. Do you talk to the dolphin? Of course. Why wouldn't you? It's the smartest man on the planet, some people say.

We've chatted about this before, how the United States military actually hires dolphins to work alongside the Navy SEALs to protect ships out there. The brain on that particular species on your chest is bigger than anything else going. I like what you did here today. Yeah, I figured, you know, why not mix it up a little bit, change the energy in here, especially with, you know, Kachuk coming on, Florida guy, Florida has dolphins, they have the team of dolphins, just kind of trying to put some stuff together. Yeah, but anytime you go see the

dolphins, like as a tourist type thing, you gotta watch because those things will hump the shit out of you. Yeah, actually. They're a horny group. Yeah, yeah, very horny. And they don't ask, really. And that's not AI. That's for shoot, brother. Bingo. That's not some fake photo. Yeah, that's a real thing in nature. You've got to be on the

lookout if you're seeing a fin coming at you because it's either a shark, also stinks, or it's a dolphin and you know. It's going to do you. You know what they do. Or it could save your life. Fin's up. Fin's to the fin going to do you. You know what they do. Or it could save your life. Fins up. Fins to the, fins to the right.

You're the only, only thing. I've seen so many videos of people going to see those dolphins. They're just sitting on a dock waiting to get in there. And dolphin says,

don't get in the water. I'll come to you. Hop up on her. And they have incredible stamina. Oh yeah. And I don't know the power they're swinging out there, but there's a lot of Dolphins.

We're big fans. One half of the hammer down. Cowboys tone digs your tone. How was gambling night last night? Very underwhelming answer yesterday. Thought to myself, I should never ask this guy this question ever again. Did we win yesterday? Yeah, it was a great gambling night last night, okay?

I mean, when you're honest with the gambling gods, they reward you. Like if I would have came out here yesterday and said, I'm doing great, I'm undefeated every night, I would have not won a game last night. But I was honest, I was forthright, and I shared my opinions with everyone out here. It was kind of brave of me to do. And then came out last night and, you know, killing it. Sound like a Canadian there, the way you're talking.

Talking about being brave and being a hero. I love it. Keep winning, boys. The other half of the hammer, Don, Cowboys, Bubba Gumpino here. Gumpy, how you doing? You hitting your stride, pal? We winning some bets? Oh, yeah, all is well, my friend. Big game tonight.

Texas Hockey, brother. Loudest barn going in the playoffs. No, that's not what I heard. Oh, yeah. I heard that Dallas is the big D, he says, for big docile crowd down there. Oh, yeah. In the barn. Quietest barn in the league that's left around.

It's going to be loud tonight. They told me. They reached out. They said, don't worry. It's going to be a loud barn. Well, the Vegas Golden Knights are going in there as Stanley Cup champs, knowing that they've got to feel it out a little bit. They're going to – well, it's too straight,

but that's because they're still trying to figure it out. Remember, they're using those rules. Not everybody has played hockey together. And they've actually won two in the barn in Dallas already. So, you know, toughest barn in the league maybe. But I don't think the Golden Knights see it that way. But it is a – got to win this one tonight. The NHL playoffs and the NBA playoffs have been fantastic.

Absolutely fantastic. Last night the Sixers beat the Knicks, and it's like, oh, wait a second. Are the Knicks going to blow this? Look out. You got a lot of Knicks fans going, no way. This has to be – we need Jalen Bigbody Brunson. This is the year. Deuce McBride has the entire place screaming Deuce whenever he's putting up threes.

You got the Philadelphia 76ers fans not even showing up at games. Knicks people are showing up. The Sixers come back and win this with Joel Embiid not even able to walk down the court for the next two games. Boy, everybody in the tri-state area is going to be shitting all over themselves. And I can't wait to watch it. There's so many storylines, Bruin. Speaking of a storyline that we enjoy, there is a former All-Pro football player who is now a record label rapper.

Friend of the program, ladies and gentlemen, Pac-Man Jones is here. Pac, I know you had a couple performances last week, Nashville and Detroit. How'd it go? How are we feeling? We went really good. Went really good. Feeling good. Putting out a new record this month. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. New song.

Here we go. New song. When's it coming? All the Smoke, 21st. All the Smoke is the name of it? Featuring Jody Breeze. Okay. Go.

Yeah. All the Smoke. All the Smoke. Is this about the podcast, Matt Barnes' stack? No, it's not. Love those guys. Love those guys. It just so happened to be the name of the song. Yeah, and are we the podcast, Matt Barnes' stack? No, it's not. Love those guys. Love those guys. So haven't been the name of the song.

Are we talking smoking? Are we talking fighting? What is All the Smoke? Just using it as a general speech. You can put it in any category you want to put it in. Like smoking the record. We want all the smoke. Okay.

Oh, is that the hook right there? Yeah, that's part of the hook. All right. Here we go. Got a banger on the way. When's that hook right there. All right. Here we go. Got a banger on the way. When's that song coming out? 21st. Here we go.

Proud of you, Pat. Okay, so there is a couple stories developing with Hall of Fame children. Yes. In the football world. Let's start with the first one. Marvin Harrison Jr. Okay, he was announced yesterday. Now, Marvin Harrison Sr. is obviously Hall of Famer, Indianapolis Colt legend,

one of the greatest wide receivers to ever catch a football in the history of the sport. Him and Peyton Manning were a tag team, a duo that people are going to try to replicate forever. Now, his son is a man that we all assumed was going to be the first wide receiver off the board. But chatter got loud because he didn't do anything at the Combine. He didn't do anything in his pro day. He did none of the bullshits. He did the medical at the Combine. He actually missed a little bit of a media thing because he was

doing all the medical. But we reach out to the team, the Marvin Harrison team, and we said, hey, why aren't you guys doing anything? And we were told, we're not track. We're playing football. Watch the film. If you don't think he's fast, don't draft him. We're not really, that is just, we're not getting into a three-cone drill for the next month to figure out how to do this. We're not working on his 10-yard split.

We're not working on just a track 40 because you're not going to do that ever in football. He's going to work on football stuff. So there were some people that took that the wrong way. They're like, wait a minute. Is this guy a diva? Is this guy maybe high maintenance and everything like that? Everybody around Ohio State says that's not, it's like the hardest

working dude of all time. He's been given the game by his dad since he was a kid. He comes in, he's on the jugs machine in the morning, doesn't go to bed until he's on the jugs machine at night. He's in the weight room. His teammates love him. But there was a couple things that popped up that gave people to be like, maybe this isn't a guy you want in your building.

Even though his dad, once again, one of the greatest wide receivers of all time. Then there was a report from Adam Schefter that unlike everybody else, Marvin Harrison Jr. has yet to sign a preliminary NFLPA licensing agreement that all draftees typically sign, which would allow his name and likeness to be monetized after he's picked tonight

and before his NFL contract is signed per sources. His jersey will not be available for purchase and he will not be featured in video games until his NFLPA group licensing deal is signed. Now, I am a person that did not sign up for the NFLPA the last couple years I was in the NFL. Everybody has heard my gripes with the NFLPA. I got tested 208 times in a 27-month period and I heard nothing from the NFLPA when I got tested 208 times in a 27-month period, and I heard nothing from the NFLPA when I said, it feels like I'm getting preyed on right now by the substance abuse program. They sent me a text back after I got out of the substance abuse program and said, you good? Yeah. I am. And I hate you. They were deferring payments for multiple years because they thought that was

the right decision, which just kept the money in the NFL so they could do interest. The NFLPA has made a lot of decisions in the past that I think have been dumb. So if people don't sign up for the NFL PA, I don't think that should necessarily be used as a weapon against them. Now, from the meetings that I've had with the NFL PA people moving forward, they are trying to be a much

more efficient and smarter operation looking out for the players, and I appreciate the NFL PA. And remember, if it wasn't for the NFL PA back in the 30s, you know, there would be a completely different ballgame. They would still run a propaganda video in 2024 as if these guys would have to work four jobs if it wasn't for the NFLPA. But I understand that the NFLPA has a place in the NFL.

I understand that some people think it is vitally important. I understand they negotiate deals. For instance, they just wrote my rights away to a merch company with Boomstick and my name, everything that I pretty much created on my own Twitter. And I was getting like two bucks a shirt, which is really nice. Like 34 bucks, 35 bucks. Could do that myself. But the NFLPA said, no, we got you. We'll get a deal done for you for two bucks a shirt. Don't you worry about it. We got your back.

That added into me saying, I hate this group. I'm not doing it. Now that has all changed. They have deals with groups like Fanatics, which leads me to what we have heard from Source. Cis. Within the Marvin Harrison Jr. and Marvin Harrison Sr. camp. This is not about the NFLPA. Marvin Harrison Jr. will be a part of the NFLPA when the time comes.

What this is about, what this is about, exactly. Need him on that. Need him. Gary Sanders. Yeah, he just announced yesterday he's no longer working with Madden. That's tough. That's either here or there. We do need Marvin Harrison Jr. and Madden,

especially now that I'm back in Madden, would like to throw the ball to Marvin Harrison Jr. Me, Peyton Marv, Pat Jr. I mean, it'll be a thing. I will certainly do. But what I have been told is this is not an NFLPA thing. What this all revolves around is a deal that is allegedly being pitched to sophomores in college who have a name by a company named Fanatics.

Now, obviously, fanatics is involved in everything everywhere everything they even hosted the event that the wwe had at wrestlemania it was a fanatics event fanatics does the jerseys for basically every league they do the hats for every league they also do cards and collectibles and things like that i guess there was an offer made to marvin harrison jr whenever he was a sophomore in college which has happened to a lot of guys collectibles and things like that. I guess there was an offer made to Marvin Harrison Jr. whenever he was a sophomore in college, which has happened to a lot of guys, where if you sign it for a card deal, an autograph deal, it's for four years. So it goes all the way into like your second year in the NFL. Marvin Harrison, who doesn't need the money, said, we're not taking that deal.

We're not signing that deal. So allegedly what's been happening behind the scenes is a potential tiff or beef between fanatics in the Marvin Harrison camp. Now, can that be settled? We hope so. But Marvin Harrison Jr.'s camp is saying, my price as a sophomore in high school is nowhere near the same as a rookie in the NFL or a second year in the NFL. And although a lot of other college student athletes are taking this deal, we did not take this deal. So the holdup with the NFL PA deal is actually a holdup with a fanatics operation that's taking place. And that is kind of being misrepresented seemingly in some of the conversations that are happening

around it. So what we have been told is the price of Marvin Harrison Jr. as a rookie in second year in the NFL is not the same as him as a sophomore in college. And there's a lot of people that signed that deal. And this will hopefully get worked out. Fanatics is allegedly telling some folks that they have a deal. They don't have a deal with Marvin, telling others not to work. So there's a lot of behind-the-scenes shit happening business-wise. And I think what people need to remember is, Marvin Harrison senior has been there, done that with

all this shit, the combine, the pro day, this particular deal. He's like, I understand this might work for other people, but for us, we're about ball. And if you want to do a good deal, we'll do a deal, but we're not just signing up for shit that everybody else has signed up just because everybody else has signed up for it. else has signed up for it so this will get settled hopefully this will get handled and i don't think it's as big of a deal as people are making it but there's a lot of other student human athletes who signed these deals that locked in their rights for four years their price is vastly different who are having remorse for signing that deal which takes us back to the nil thing where we need people regulating monitoring the contracts that are being signed where these guys are getting actual contracts signing that deal, which takes us back to the NIL thing, where we need people regulating,

monitoring the contracts that are being signed, where these guys are getting actual contracts for their actual value. And anytime you hear somebody say there needs to be guardrails on this, the first reaction from agents and players and family is, oh, you don't want these guys to make any money. You want the football and the schools to make money. It's like, no, I don't want these guys to sign terrible deals that lock them into a four-year deal when their worth might be 6x that as opposed to what it was when they initially signed a deal. So I think this is a great depiction of what's going on in NIL right now, what could happen, and hopefully it'll be a great example of something we can all learn from. Now, to clarify that, I hope they get a deal done. Yeah, of course. I would like an autographed Marvin Harrison Jr. card. Sure, sure.

Especially as an Arizona Cardinal. But just because everybody else is signing their rights away doesn't mean Marvin Harrison Jr. is going to do that. And I think this is a good message to the future college athletes. You don't have to do it either. So whenever they offer a little bit of an upfront worth of money for you to sign a deal, don't necessarily have to take that money. Even though it looks good, there's going to be more money later

if you have enough confidence in yourself for it to make it. This is kind of what college football, NIL, is kind of at a tipping point, and Marvin Harrison Jr. is probably going to be the face of, hopefully, some change for the future. Yeah, it's almost necessary for this to happen with a guy like Marvin Harrison Jr. because if it didn't, it makes headlines, and it just falls to the wayside. There's the lineman from Florida who signed away while he was at Florida 25% of his future earnings forever.

He's not the only one. No, yeah, exactly. But because it wasn't a – Yeah, forever. Wow. And he was a day two pick to the Chicago Bears. Like it wasn't as if this guy is an undrafted free agent. Like this is SEC football, got to play in the NFL, and that happened.

But, again again kind of forgotten about with marvin harrison jr you can't ignore it i mean this is this guy has been you know a top five pick basically since he stepped into college football and now this is one of those things where you know future teams like a travis hunter for instance next year when he comes in and he's going to be one of those guys who's at the top that hey instead of just blindly signing an nflpa deal like you just mentioned where you're getting 50 cents a shirt even though it's all because of who you are and you're not reaping the benefits of your work on the field,

if it wasn't for Marvin in this situation, then there probably would be a lot more tomfoolery going on behind the scenes. Yeah, you've got to be who you can afford to be, obviously. Yeah, and if you're going to bet on yourself, you bet on yourself. And I think some guys that's in the position, like Marv is, with his dad being who he is, they don't need no money. So he can bet on himself and don't have to sign the card deal that's going to lock him in for four years. I don't think it should even be allowed.

No. It's my thing. After college, it should be a whole new deal. Bingo. Yeah, like this Ohio State deal. But I guess this is just the new, it should be a whole new deal. Bingo. Yeah, like this Ohio State deal. But I guess this is just the new... This is just what it is. Like, hey, yeah.

First two years in the NFL, last two years in college, we'll kind of lock this in. We want to be partners and everything like that. But the rate you have... And this goes to people negotiating. You need to negotiate either an opt-out in there after you leave college or an escalator. If it sells a certain amount of things, it's like, which adds into it even more so like with the NIL deals, we need somebody to, Hey, here's the structure.

Here's how this goes because you're talking about in Marvin Harrison jr. Is different because of his dad, but like, and I just say me because I'm just talking about from my particular standpoint, if Tim Mcfee and sally mcafee and let's say i was a quarterback and i was a good one tim mcafee and sally mcafee offered a hundred thousand dollars when i was a sophomore in college and that is 3x what my family made annually growing up this entire time we're taking that deal yeah tim mcafee's looking at me like yeah yeah what's ramifications later?

Who gives a shit? We got $100,000 right now. We got out of debt. And it's like, all of a sudden, you're locking into a deal because you get the for show money right now and you're getting screwed money later. And it's like, all these things

are what we're talking about whenever we say there needs to be guardrails because we need to protect people from signing away their rights. And I'm not saying Fanatics is taking advantage of anybody this is probably what they feel like is a good deal but marvin harrison's thinking this is not a good deal and i'm not signing it and they're saying it's kind of being held against them in the back end for other businesses and now it's being portrayed in a certain way so it's like it's there's a lot of moving pieces of this

but i think with this big of a name this high profile of a company too with Fanatics and NFLPA being involved, maybe we'll be able to figure some shit out for the future. Yeah, you guys are talking about how that shouldn't even be allowed, and the one that Connor was talking about, the Florida de-tackle that went, it was 15% of pre-tax earnings for the next 25 years in exchange for

a one-time payment of $430,000, but they're saying there's a legislator in Florida saying that that's against the law, actually, for the NIL rules in Florida. So, yes, there needs to be guardrails legally, the NCAA, everything, so that these kids – Also education. Yes.

Like a whole education process. How to do deals. Yeah, because if you're not going to – They need a players association. Which is going to be – So UAB, I guess, started one. And athletes.org started one. It's like, okay, that's awesome. But what if the person running it is

a scam? Yeah, exactly. Who are the people that are going to be able to handle all... Who do you trust? Because you've got people that don't know shit. It's only... If you think about what Translator did to Shohei. What was his name? Ipe Uchihara.

And they're tracking that money now, and that's going to be a story forever. He was a hustler. Let's just say what it is. He's a hustler, found his mark, found his fish, and he hustled the shit out of Shohei Ohtani. All you need is a couple of those to prey on 18, 19-year-old kids who come from not a lot,

which high majority of people that are playing in college football don't come from a lot of shit. It's like all you need is a couple of those, and then you can just hustle people out of millions of dollars. Yeah, and it's nothing new. And I'm glad that it's a big fish like Marv and the Harrison family that's kind of hopefully changing some of these things. So, you know, NFL and NFLPA, you would hope that they would want to straighten this out as soon as possible and get it going in the right

direction but it's something that's kind of been happening behind the scenes forever you know you get a bag dropped on you most kids don't know what actually comes with that sometimes before it wasn't wasn't a contract it was just like hey you're going to sign with this agent or you're going to sign with this agency so it's like you see a lot of guys show up to the draft with you know jewelry or chains or watch like damn it's not even drafted yet how this kid got money it's like you see a lot of guys show up to the draft with jewelry or chains or watches. Like, damn, it's not even drafted yet. How this kid got money? It's because the agent, whoever, have already dropped $500, a million on it because they know it's guaranteed. How they're going top five, top six, top ten or whatever.

So I'm glad to see that he's kind of – and it's got to be a guy like Marvin Harrison Jr. who's coming from it. You mentioned don't need the money. Don't need that $100,000 up front. It's hard to turn that down anybody, but especially a 20, 21-year-old kid. And basketball has been doing this a long time, I think. Like teenager basketball players. Yeah, high school kids. And now, granted, it's different, I assume, with NIL.

But that was back whenever Adidas, Nike, and everybody was competing. They would just send out these little representations of their company into high school AAU. And then they drop off money. And it's like, hey, you're going to be an Adidas player later, and this is the deal you're going to sign for. And if you don't have shit, once again, it's like the people that they're presenting these offers to are like people who get real bright-eyed.

And when you get bright-eyed and you see financial freedom for at least a short time, and it's a lot different now with the cost of life. I watched Blank Check with Macintosh. That's right. And I thought a million bucks would give me a mansion and a limo. Limo, serval. And a go-kart track and all that.

All you need is ice cream. Yeah, that shit ain't, that ain't, that ain't it anymore. Especially with the taxing. He said pre-tax 15%. It's like government's taking at least 60% of your shit if you make it to the NFL. So you're getting 15% pre-tax and ended up with 40 40 of your money it's like there is so much i almost said the f word there's so much uh shithousery that can kind of take place and all this and it's like gotta get it figured out well that's why it's so important

that it's happening now because i assume too a lot of these kids like when you're first going in they're probably saying like hey you're he he just got drafted what last week and it's like don't rock the boat. Just sign this thing. Get this done. We don't need to have this big snag. Everybody does. Yeah, everybody does it.

Every person does it. But also, if he's not doing something like this, like you mentioned, it's easy to say, hey, as an 18-, 19-year-old kid, if you're going to go maybe play in the NFL, that $100,000, there's going to be money in four years. But in that situation, especially if you come from nothing, how many kids at that age

if they don't have... I've got a loan out for $40,000 to have a good time. 27% interest on that. That's a terrible deal. And if you don't have the right people in your ear telling you that and it's just like okay whatever i don't care i'm gonna take the hundred grand and i'm gonna have a great time these great time yeah i'm gonna have a great

time in morgantown west virginia or any of these college towns it's like who's gonna stop it i have no idea the difference i guess from when we was getting the bag, it wasn't taking no percent out of that. It was a bag, $250K in the bag. Yeah. So it's hard to turn down. Yes, I would say. $250K in cash? Yeah. Hey, man, I want to do your marketing.

Here you go, your $250K. Yeah, but then what happens? That's like all this jewelry. I remember Aaron Mabin. It depends, though. Some people, it depends on how you do business. If you do business right, you know you're going to get it back. It's no real negative.

And you're going to have a decent career. It's not really any negative repercussions. Now you take that bag and you go sign with somebody else. Or you say, hey, that never happened. I never got the bag. Now you may run into some repercussions. I'm not saying my mom just texted me. You actually took out two loans.

You're right, Mom. You're right. Thank you. Pay them off, though. You're right. Thank you. Pay them off, though. That was the plan as soon as I got them. If it doesn't work out, I'm in debt like everybody else. Literally everybody else. If it does work out, we'll be able to pay this off

quickly. Did just as such. Thank God. Had a blast, but I couldn't even imagine $150,000 being offered to me. They've got to figure that out. Legit. People are praying. Not all agents are bad. I'm not saying that, but there are scumbag agents who are bad negotiators who don't have a moral compass at all. And they're just trying to get in how they can fit and use somebody as a notch under their belt. And it's like, we all look out

for these dudes and women. I mean, the amount of money being made in college basketball, gymnastics that's happening, it's like, we got to watch out for all this stuff, figure it out. And that's where, hey, smart people, figure it out. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is one of the toughest dudes ever

to lace up skates. That's right. Last year, we saw him literally with a broken sternum, we think. Broken spine, we think. broken sternum, we think. Broken spine, we think. Broken femur, we think. Broken hand, we think.

Broken shoulders, we think. Fractured skull, we think. Get taped up, pads put on him, lifted onto the ice, and pushed out and say, go play hockey. And he wanted to. That is why hockey is awesome. That's why hockey is different. From the Kachuk family. From the Florida Panthers.

Who just beat the Tampa Bay Lightning in the first round of the NHL playoffs. They will now see if the Boston Bruins can put the Maple Leafs away for the next round. Ladies and gentlemen, Matthew Kachuk. Brother. What's up, guys? Hey, quick question. So the way we talk about what you did last year at the end of the season, broken sternum, spine, leg, both shoulders, and even a fractured skull,

I know that isn't necessarily medically accurate, but whenever they were lifting you up and just like kind of scooting you on the ice to play, is it just the hockey mindset like I got to be out there for the boys? Because any other sport, your ass would have been out for two to three weeks. Why do you think you guys are built different? And why do you think hockey is the way it is? Yeah, I mean, I was given medical clearance to play

by the doctors. They did everything they could to get me out there. And ultimately it was my decision if I could handle the pain, and I barely could. So I was willing to go out there and help the team with whatever they needed. But it was a battle, for sure, to just get even dressed. I couldn't dress myself. I had to have our equipment staff dress me. But at this point, in Stanley Cup playoffs playoffs all bets are off and you do whatever you can to play yeah that's why hockey's awesome you can turn that thing up

uh straight up and down if you want for us might help us and you yeah perfect whatever yep perfect no no 24 i probably should be able to figure this out by now yeah but you're in the nhl and you guys never do interviews so it's probably you know it's probably the first uh how big walt feel about everything that you've been cooking? You and Brady, I assume your family, pretty competitive growing up. We play in knee hockey. We play in the garage. How did the Kachuk family become so dominant in hockey?

Well, he's fired up right now with me being in playoffs and being able to come to the games. He's actually overseas scouting right now. He's uh with the the blues um on a scouting watching i think u18 so um he's over there working pretty hard right now and um he's gonna be coming back here for round two so he was fired up to see us beat tampa the other day and i think growing up just having him as a voice as a role model like my brother and I, at an early age, were not forced to play hockey, but we had everything around us that allowed us to grow into it and love the game. So we had him around every day just to ask about anything, to help coach us, teach us, whatever. But I'd say the biggest thing that allowed my brother and I to make it to this level was each other.

And we're very close in age and we're able to do everything together. And ultimately, I think that's the main reason why we are where we are is because of each other and having that unbelievably close relationship and each other's best friends and each other's biggest supporters and biggest competitors as well. Where were you born? Scottsdale. Let's go. So obviously the American hockey powerhouse continues to grow. I often wondered if America will continue to pump out hockey players because of the amount of dedication it takes from such a young age, right?

I mean, I assume you, I think I heard you went up to Michigan for that USA team. You leave high school. Is that all accurate for your story to chase this hockey dream? Yeah, I left after ninth grade, left, you know, all your friends growing up and your whole life kind of pack up and leave. And I went to Ann Arbor to play for the US team, which was like a slam dunk no brainer. I had to at that time if I wanted to make the NHL and um yeah moved there for two years of my life where I actually did three years of school and two and I'm no brainiac but

that was pretty tough um and then we went uh and then I had a year where I was either going to Notre Dame or going to London for my draft season um decided ultimately to go to London in the OHL and then got drafted to Calgary and somehow made the team at 18. So all those years went super fast, but from ninth grade going until I made the NHL, it was a blur, but it was so much fun. Yeah, but even before that too, we're up at like 5 a.m. on the ice, right? I mean, like the commitment to become a professional hockey player, and i assume it's like this everywhere it is very much like uh what you hear about olympians in like russia or like china where like hey yeah we're we're actually hitting them with like actual to sharpen

up their shins like we are that is what it's like for hockey is it not i mean it's like for hockey, is it not? I mean, it's like full commitment, full everything, even as a young child, or am I misreading it? No, you've got it right. But that's one thing that I'm super thankful that my parents did. And my mom deserves so much credit because she was mainly the one that was getting up at 5 a.m. and taking us to those 6 a.m. practices when my dad was on the road or working or whatever. So she deserves all the credit in the world.

But my parents, and I'm super thankful looking back at a young age, like we were never allowed to play hockey 24-7, 365 days a week like some of these kids do now. And it's almost like these kids are all like child hockey prodigies just all in all the time. like trial hockey prodigies just all in all the time and I think that as a kid my parents like they were all about playing every single sport you can so in the fall you're playing the fall sports in the winter we were playing hockey obviously into the spring we're playing hockey too and then the summer like put the hockey bag the sticks away go play golf go play baseball go play whatever you can just to get away from it and i think ultimately that's what didn't allow me to get burnt out and my love for the game just kept growing growing and

growing more and when it came hockey time for hockey season i was just so fired up to play again so i think that all parents should kind of take that mindset and because i think that helped me and my brother a lot hey that's every sport every sport. Every person that plays it says, Hey, you need to play different sports because I assume some fall sports have helped you in hockey. And I assume it also helped you grow your love of sport in the NFL. You hear every person that played in the NFL, like need to play other sports, but then you hear these younger youth coaches and they're like, nah, you need to be all in all the time. It's there's a missed messaging going on and hopefully that narrative can change especially with you talking about it is that now how all hockey players feel in the nhl or is there a lot of diversity in sports played growing up

i assume a lot of soccer right because you guys do that juggling bullshit before every single game pretty much yeah i don't i'm not that good at it but i played soccer when i was younger um i think that i think it depends where like you come from the world i think a lot of americans play a lot of different sports growing up um i know a lot of europeans are you know i would say more heavily into soccer and hockey but it's amazing though in hockey like every single sport out there like it translates to hockey some way. Like, you know, picking up a puck in your feet or batting it in at a midair, like using baseball skills, hand-eye. Like, it's amazing how much each sport, like there's a little bit of each sport in hockey.

So I think it's important to do that. And, yeah, I'd say probably Americans mainly are more well-rounded. That's what I'm going to get in trouble for saying that. No, no, say USA! USA! USA! USA! Yeah, let's take you back to Ann Arbor, brother. Last question for me before the boys have some questions. You have a diehard Panthers fan here on the set. He loves the hockey.

He can't wait to chat with you. My question for you is when did you guys learn how to cheat like you did against Tampa Bay with the goalie interference? Do you guys have full practices for that or how does that work? No. No. I don't know.

Don't touch Bob. There won't be any problems. Did you guys hear all the noise and chatter about this? Obviously you end up winning by three goals in a day, six, it doesn't even matter. But did you hear the chatter afterwards? Mostly from, you know, me and others trying to draw up a little drama about how this goalie interference rule is so bullshit. I mean, it's, it's ticky tacky. You can't do anything. Like, did you hear hear the chatter how does the team feel about getting a

nice first round win and moving forward now waiting on toronto and boston um to answer the first part i did not hear the chatter i was celebrating the win uh and i don't know like we're at that weird little spot right now where like the series that we're playing the winter of, like, you know, it was obviously going, um, another few days. And, um, we're just like, we,

we are really excited to get a few days of rest and get rejuvenated here, but it's playoffs. Like you just want to be out there playing, but some of the best part of playoffs is like hanging out with the boys and the lounges on the road and, um, like watching other games throughout the league. So I don't know.

I think we're going to take this, take these few days off. They're very important for us and use them wisely and watch some games and watch some hockey, see who we're playing. It's always nice to hang with the lads, especially whenever, you know, the light in a tunnel is near. This could be your last couple games with the boys, this particular team. And that kind of heightens the appreciation of the moments that you have. I couldn't even imagine that Florida Panthers team in the lounges looking around.

Now, diehard Florida Panthers fan, Darius Butler has a question for you. First of all, I just want to thank you, Chuck, for bringing greatness down to South Florida. Way to go, man. You called Chuck. Chuckie is what I called him. But our last three postseasons, we won the most series so far with five, but you guys are dominating the postseason. Bring the moments to it, families.

Got a chance to bring my dad to his first hockey game last year when you guys, I think, Eastern Conference Finals against the Canes. So great job, obviously. But I just want to ask you, how hard are those closeout games when it comes to closing out these series? Because obviously the Boston Bruins are struggling a little bit over there more than I thought they would. How hard are those closeout games in the NHL playoffs?

The fourth game in a playoff series is always the hardest to win because, you know, no matter what you are in the series, whether you're up 3-0, 3-1, 3-2, it's game seven. The other team's so desperate playing for their their lives and you have to find a way to match that or exceed that and um it is challenging to win that one especially when you're up 3-0 or 3-1 like we were on this past series but um you know it's it's so rewarding when you're out there and you know that you play your game and you play well and you live to fight another few weeks. So that was kind of our mindset last game.

And, you know, there was no – I'd say at the beginning of the game we were playing not to our standards, playing a little tight. But towards the end of the game, like, we were flying. We were making plays. We were so comfortable and confident in that moment. I don't know. I feel like we definitely matched their desperation against Tampa last game. And i think that's going to go well for us if we continue that speed speed obviously you got to be skilled in the play speed feels like one of the most important

factors a team can have on whether or not they're going to win stanley cup or not your guys's team is explosive obviously always has been speed matters right like for instance i'm a diehard Pittsburgh Penguins fan. You're lucky. Hey, you and the Panthers are lucky. Especially when the Caps somehow get in there and just get swept the hell out. But the Penguins, we seemingly

got a little older and we got slower. You watch the regular season games, it's like we're not as fast as the other teams. That's going to be problematic. You find in the playoffs, speed is a big-time weapon, and is that an accurate read on playoff hockey? Yeah, that's accurate. I feel like speed, a lot of team speed is very important,

like being close together and moving as a five-man unit. But to me, the biggest thing in playoffs is physicality, size, competitiveness, willing to do absolutely whatever it takes. You don't have to sky to make a huge impact in playoffs. I'd say staying healthy and being healthy is probably the most important. Then the rest

follows after that. Connor's got a question for you. Matt, as a Massachusetts, Middlesex County guy, let me just say it's an honor to be talking to the bloodline of the pride of Melrose. We were talking to John Butchergross, and I think P.K. Subban also mentioned this. Home ice in the playoffs, they say, isn't really a thing. And the game tonight actually stars Vegas. No one has won a home game for either of those teams.

Is that real? Is that something that the players, you guys, think about? Like, Hey, even though we are in, you know, Tampa or, you know, Boston or Toronto, it's kind of the same game. It doesn't really affect you guys as much, or is that something that is more of a reality of the NHL playoffs? Oh, that's a tough question. That's a tough question. Cause last year, Hey, welcome to journalism, pal journalism that's what we do here welcome to journalism that's tough because last year in playoffs our team was lights out on the road and didn't matter where we would have played like we would have you know found a way to most

likely win on the road like we were just feeling it like that but i mean when playing in florida like we have such great fans in the building so loud that I think home ice is super important for us. Having that extra game, ultimately that potential game seven at home. You always want to have that at home. I don't know. I think our fans are so loud, and we've made this rink here in Florida a tough place to play. I think home ice is important for our team,

and it's just an extra layer that you can add to the series and having that extra momentum for your side. But I don't know. I think we've got great fans, so I think it's important for us. Yeah, it's different down there. He can hear you and your dad. Yeah, it's different down there. Is it?

Yeah, all the rats getting out there. Get rowdy. Wait. South Florida, you wouldn't expect that. It's too hot for hockey there. It shouldn't be a lot. It's nice and cool in there. It's way too hot for Pangolin just to be walking around.

Where's it? Sunrise? Sunrise, Florida, yeah. Where's that at? I don't know. Fort Lauderdale, Broward County. Where's Hollywood? In between Palm Beach and Miami.

Hollywood is a little closer, more south, closer to Miami. Got it. You guys all live in that? Oh, never mind. Don't tell us where you live. That's a weird question. I live in, most of the guys live here in Fort Lauderdale. So –

Elbow room. You guys got an elbow room? Oh, look out. Save the elbow room for the offseason. Save the elbow room for – yeah. Yeah, everybody. Okay. Everybody, it's everybody.

Yeah. Above the place. There's no elbow room playoffs until hopefully we win it all one day. We're going to celebrate big there. But, yeah, no playoffs at Elbow Room yet. That's where the family goes every game. Big Walt walking his ass into the Elbow Room. Love everything about it.

Let's talk about last year into this year. Pac-Man's got a question for you. Yeah, I told D-Bud, you know, y'all had a great series last year. Unbelievable. But what can you take from that series to get y'all to the Cup this year? We learned a lot. We made it all the way to the finals, so we know what it takes to get there. But I think for us to ultimately finish the job, staying healthy is super important.

And just playing a really, really, really tough Vegas team last year in the finals, they were big, they were strong, they were so good defensively. So I think we can take that part of it and learn from it. But, you know, we've learned in the last year and almost two years exactly what it takes to win it all. So each year you pick up more things. And I think that our team this year, we have 13 or 14 returning guys from last year. A lot of experience in this room in those high-pressure situations,

which for us aren't high-pressure. I think that's very important, having the experience and going through it once. I don't know. I really, really, really like our team. Hopefully we can have another great run this year. The lads got a lot of chemistry going into round two. We'll be against the Bruins or Maple Leafs? Probably Bruins, I find.

I saw a bear doing something. A fake bear doing something. Ty's got a question for you, Kachuk. Yeah, Matthew, you mentioned having a couple days off and how you guys are pretty juiced about that right now. Just curious, in terms of fatigue, have you noticed, because they always talk about it in basketball, LeBron's either went to a conference championship or a finals like 18 years in a row he just plays so much more than anyone else coming off a run deep into the stanley cup

finals last year like did you notice the season being longer this year because you guys turn around and start the next season so quick and you obviously didn't have very much time in between like has that come into play now at all or once the playoffs start is it kind so quick and you obviously didn't have very much time in between like has that come into play now at all or once the playoffs start is it kind of just like you get a new lease on life and you're ready to go yeah so last year we were playing playoff hockey in like january because of where we were in the standing so we didn't have that luxury that we had this year of knowing we're going to be in playoffs and And we weren't resting down the stretch, but we were like kind of fine tuning our game. Whereas post the last year, you know, it was game seven, every single game until we got to playoff.

So we were, you know, playing playoff hockey before we got there. So I think this year, to answer your question, it really just feels like one really long year. But once you get to playoffs and, you know, we knew we were going to be in playoffs this year, just fine-tuning our game before, when you get to playoffs, you feel so fresh. It's like a whole new season. So fatigue hasn't played a factor in us at all, even though we went for a really long run last year. And winning the first series in five always helps, gives you a few extra days. But we have a really good plan here,

a great staff that gives us everything we need to be ready to go come game time. So I think we feel really fresh right now. And now after a few days, we're trying about the bit to get back playing again. You hockey players are psychos though, like actual psychos. Because other sports, we do take a break.

Some guys stay in shape throughout the entire break. but i think i've watched some of your off seasons not yours directly but hockey player you guys are like have to remain in shape right because of how demanding the sport is as a whole i've seen some of these leg exercises that you guys do and some of the conditioning shit that you guys do in the offseason, you're madmen. You're absolute madmen. And that's a compliment in the biggest fashion. Do you feel like the hockey players are the most conditioned athlete out of professional sports? I don't want to speak because I don't know what other sports do,

but we train super hard. I mean, we have to. 82 games plus playoffs with travel and everything, you have to be pretty dialed in and be in great shape to be able to maintain that throughout the whole season. Hockey players still have a little bit of fun

in the summer too. I heard you guys are booze bags while doing it. Which makes you guys super humans. I can't speak for everybody there, but the hockey players, they're a lot of fun guys. Well, I've heard some tales. You know, I've heard you get some of the Russians over there.

Yeah, nice weather year-round in Florida. What, are they supposed to not have a good time? What do you want? There's a beach right there. Yeah, elbow room's wide open. Of course. Well, we know you've been going to every single one of them. That's all you do. You a golfer?

Yeah, just played the other day, so I like to play on my off days here in Florida. Hockey players are normally pretty good golfers, right? You're a stick? I mean, I'm all right. I've been a lot better since I got traded down to Florida. I'm playing more. Oshie and Pavelski in Tahoe are always top five on the board. Yeah, and Oshie was out until 6 a.m., tee time, 7.15 a.m.

And somehow, with his wife, I think his wife was even powering through. And I'm like, I'm the softest guy of all time. I have no idea how you hockey players are machines. That is no joke. Speaking of hockey, Nicky Skates has a question for you in the back. Matthew, you obviously acquired a lot of things from your father. Your good looks, your legendary

play on the ice. I didn't know Big Walt was a big handsome fellow. Your dad should be in the Hall of Fame, by the way, but I just wanted to ask you there's a couple infamous stories about guys getting traded to the team he was on, coming into the locker room and Big Walt would be there to greet him with a robe on and he would say, you, there's a couple infamous stories about guys getting traded to the team he was on, coming into the locker room, and Big Walt would be there to greet them with a robe on, and he would say, hey, there's two rules on my team. Pass Big Walt the puck, and don't ever effing forget rule number one.

Have you adopted any of that stuff? Have you taken that into your game in terms of either the robe or the rules that Big Walt played by? I like the rules. I don't go with the robe, but I do like the rules um i don't go with the road but i do like the rules but um i don't know i'm not as uh i'm not as uh maybe firm with my my meeting guys and saying that uh being the first thing i say to him but he had no problem with that as well maybe when i get a little bit older but he had two rules for us it was just compete, be a good teammate With me and my brother it was pretty simple But I guess with his teammates he was

A little bit firmer with I would say A good teammate though, especially if you give him the puck Yeah, it feels like that's a Kachuk thing We appreciate you joining us brother Enjoy the sun You're watching the games obviously Between Toronto and Boston, paying attention to the whole picture

What are you focused in on? Yeah, we'll be watching the games obviously between Toronto and Boston Paying attention to the whole picture What are you focused in on? Yeah, we'll be watching the games tonight They don't play tonight, but they play tomorrow So we'll be tuning into that And seeing who we play But I got a question for you guys I can't be honest without asking you guys I know you guys are a lot of NFL background there

So who am I taking in fantasy For a rookie quarterback this year? Drake May, that's the easiest question I've ever heard in my entire life. That's a Patriots fan. Jay Davis. You're taking a rookie quarterback in fantasy?

If you're going to take a rookie quarterback... This guy sucks at fantasy. Don't take him. There's like keepers? So you take somebody after the seventh or eighth round, and these young quarterbacks keep them or something. So I'm just trying to build a good team here for the future, guys.

For next year. He'll run for another 700, 800 yards. Jaden Daniels, Washington Commanders would be probably the best. Is fantasy big in the NHL? Do all the teams have fantasy leagues? Yeah, you guys football fans? We're huge sports fans., but yeah, NFL fans. There's some really good fantasy.

I'm sure every single team has a fantasy football league, so it's a big thing in the NHL. Are you good, or you get ragdolled in it? No. You get dummied in it? Obviously, I'm not that good if I'm looking for some inside. No, it's not bad. You might be better than everybody you're looking for

I'm not the right guy to go to I think all these rookies are going to suck for the first year I don't know how they're going to do it Like CJ Stroud what he did is just like An anomaly It's so hard to be a quarterback in the NFL As a fifth year person Let alone first year

Like Anthony Richardson does he count as a rookie Because he only played like five games last year Yeah I had him so hoping he can We did too first year. Like Anthony Richardson, does he count as a rookie? Because he only played like five games last year? That's the one. Yeah, I had him, so hoping he can, yeah. We did too. He was really good. Hopefully he stays healthy.

He's awesome to watch. Yeah, Chuck, we need maybe you to work out with him a little bit. Yeah. We've had the Dolphins on the drum pregame too down there. We've had Jalen Waddell. Waddell was on the drum last time. Ramsey, Jalen Ramsey.

So, yeah. Where's Tyree? I told myself last game if I was scoring, I was going to do the Waddle because he was there. He can still do it. That'd be sweet. Yeah. Are you a big celebrator? We do a lot of dancing?

No, but I would have done it if he was there. He's my favorite football player. I would have done it if he was there. I would have done it. He's my favorite football player, so I would have done it if he was there. I would have done it if I were a scorer, for sure. Why don't he just go to another game? Let's get him on the drum. One a year? Come on, Joe. He'll see it. If you do it, he'll see it.

Well, as you should. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who is on a hunt for a Stanley Cup. Former sixth overall pick to Calgary as an 18-year-old after playing in London. I did not expect that. London? London, Ontario?

Oh, I thought the other London. England the whole time, yeah. Yeah, me too. You had to go to England to play hockey? They play hockey? Massive hockey community in London. London, England? No, London where he played.

Canada sucks, man. Take it easy. That place blows, brother. We've learned a lot about Canada over the last couple days on the internet. That's just some bad tweets. Not everybody. You can't pile everybody in the same pot. All right.

Ladies and gentlemen, legend for the Florida Panthers and a man who's going to do the waddle next goal he scores, which is probably or potentially going to be against Patty Maroon in a Boston Brew. Can only hope. Ladies and gentlemen, Matthew Kachuk. Cheers, dude. He's got a sweet Twitter handle, too. Kachucky Cheese. Wow.

That is good. That's how you call him. Chucky. That's what we call him. You did seem like a natural there. Chucky. Chucky. Swaggy.

Bob. Captain. That's a good nickname. Right go by nickname. Chucky. Chucky, Swaggy, Bob, Captain. That's a good nickname. Right, Nick Nance? Captain. It's the captain. He just does everything right. You brought that bobblehead.

Did you put it on there? I put it on, yeah. You did that the other day as we were talking the hockey. Yep. It's good. It is. It'll let people know

I'm not just all talk. Correct. I got the gimmicks here as well. Same for gays. The Marvin Harrison Jr. stuff's going on the internet. Really? All the replies underneath. They agree with Marv about one company, it feels like.

Oh, no. Listen. Baseball uniforms. Yeah. Mania seats. Stuffing on toes. Decorum at big events. They leaked the Lions uniforms.

I didn't say a company. No, no, me neither. I was just throwing out stuff. I mean, tops, too. Shoot, they're trying to take the most expensive cards from these kids. The rookie cards are the only ones that matter. Yeah, you're right. Like, legitimately.

Yeah, the only cards that matter, the most expensive ones. I got a text from some random number who said, his name's Jason. We met when I was doing sports marketing for Modelo Sporting Goods. Okay. Sure. Locked in. Love Modelo. Modelo? Dick's Guild.

Sorry, bud. Shout out to Dick's House of Sport. Showcase is the best from top brands in apparel, footwear, and equipment. JJ Watt lives there. It's a fun place to be. It is. You can climb a wall. You can hit a ball.

You can punch somebody. I mean, Dick's House of Sport is phenomenal. Take your kids and go have a night for free. Yeah. Now, I don't know if we're supposed to be marketing that as like a for free thing, but you need to go. Buy something. You know? Maybe buy something. If you go in there, we're supposed to be marketing that as like a for-free thing, but you need to go. Buy something.

Maybe buy something. If you go in there, you're going to buy something. You know when you go into a cafe, you need to dump so you buy like a dollar coffee or something like that so you can use the bathroom? Of course. We expect you to do that if you go into Dick's just to show some decorum in there. Sure. But you need to get in there and just wander around. Exactly.

There is so much shit in there. It is fantastic. Yeah, McDowell's is dead because Dick's House of Sport is obviously the best. He told me legally and I don't know if this is every single state and I don't have a clue who this person is. His name might not be Jason. Yeah, no last name kind of scares me a little bit. It says legally

NIL deals are not supposed to go beyond college. Cannot bridge from college to pros. So the fact, I guess, that this is being even presented to some people is potentially a talking point to start with, let alone everything else that's going on. That's what I saw in that Florida Kids article. The NIL laws in Florida is once you're done with college and you go to a pro, that NIL deal does not carry over anymore.

Legally, because they put those guardrails on there so that wouldn't happen. So when I was reading that, I said, oh, that's very interesting because that's kind of what we were talking about. Yeah, is that a state deal? If it's a college deal, it sounds like it is state by state. State of Florida. But if it's a college deal, it should be a college deal.

For you. Shout out Ron. It sounds like this is going to be a quick. It does feel like yeah we can spur a little action here yeah yeah which is good but once again there's i don't know just off the top of my head a thousand things that need to get figured out with you know what i mean like there's so many players each team has a hundred some players and then you got different levels of players who matters who doesn't then there's guys that get

into like their, senior year. They know they're not going to be NFL guys, so now they're trying to get as much money as possible. So what's going on there? Who's preying on them? What about the deals if you don't play as much and you signed a big deal before and the company decides not to pay you? Who's the ones that are going to crack down on that?

Is that the government that's going to do it? Is that the school? Well, no, because the school's not allowed to be involved in some states it's a cluster over the in the college sports and we once again we can't state this enough smart people figure it out speaking of smart people figuring out you see what dea did yes what's that i'm not saying they're smart people i have no idea but yes there's some smart people in there cannabis has been dropped down to a schedule three yeah it's about time it wasn't schedule one up there now it's schedule three that's what's being presented has to be passed and okayed that's good news great what does that mean i hate when they do what so three is

lighter than one yeah yeah i hate when they do that you think three is stronger than one it should be because it's higher yeah but, but one is like class one. You know, that's like a big deal. Like D1, D3. That's kind of what's happening to cannabis here. Okay. Now, wait. F1.

Well, don't. F2, F2, F3. F1 sucks. And the fact that they exist is ruining our playoff shit for this Sunday because ABC signed it. This is what happened with Marvin Harris. They tried to pitch. ESPN and Disney signed a deal with F1

when F1 was a reality TV show. And then now this contract has to uphold for Sunday when actual sports have playoffs that could take place. But no, can't do it. Why? Because these European elitists with their shitty cars have to be shown on ABC. I am.

I'm bummed out. I'm bummed out about it. This F1 now is affecting my life directly. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. You see the Red Bull guys leaving? Yeah. Yeah.

See what D-Buck compared him to? Ernie Adams. It's fair. That was maybe the most disgusting thing I've ever read in my life. You don't know, okay? I do. That is the mastermind. It's F1 and the maybe the most disgusting thing I've ever read in my life. You don't know, okay? I do. That is the mastermind. It's F1 and the greatest dynasty in football, D-Butt.

That's not comparable. We're complaining about Red Bull in every race, right? Who designed their car? Who gives a shit? Adrian Newey. It still sucks no matter what, dude. Sack of wine. Now that we're talking racing, we are in May in Indianapolis.

Oh, yeah? Here we go. Big month here in Indy. Pumped. Start a racing channel so people who don't give a shit don't have to ever see F1 or NASCAR

or IndyCar or anything. Speed channel. Put everything that's on ESPN, ABC, anything that people who actually want to watch real sports, put it on there. I'm sick of it. I forgot it was May 1st.

Driving into work today. Oh, great, here we go. All the checkered flags straight over everyone's house. Hey, it's May in Indy. Guess what? Some of us don't give a shit. That's your problem. You're wrong.

No, I'm not. Indianapolis is alive. This is like May. I'm so sick of it. Maybe the best month in a city in the country is May in Indianapolis. Pools are opening. You don't mean that, okay? I appreciate that you're going to pound the gavel for it, and I respect it.

And listen, I've been to the Indy 500. What are you talking about? He's going to be at Fast Friday and Silly Saturday and Race Day. It's Carp Day, damn it. You're an asshole. I think you have to be from Indy. You'll be there all three days, right? There's nothing silly about Saturday, okay? That's a big day. It's carp day, damn it! You're an asshole! I think you have to be from Indy. There's nothing silly about Saturday.

Okay, that's a big day. It's a big day. Carp day. Qualifier day. Who's on the pole with the Indy 500? Jason Newgarden, probably. Is that this weekend? When is it? Late. It's Memorial Day.

I'll make sure I get the hell out of here for that weekend. You don't get it, Ty. You know what? I'd rather go down to my local gas station and just stare at a brick wall for four hours, and I think that's what I might do. Come on. That's all right.

No. If you've never been to an Indy 500, you should be. We'll see you in about three minutes. Cheers. Cheers. about three minutes cheers and business and drama and controversy in playoffs and bullshit is all happening around us as we continue to chat every single day about the sports world that we're lucky to be a part of the toxic table is here at boston connor and at ty schmidt ty you're wrong about indianapolis

and may pal i just want to let you know that i wouldn't took a piss after you just had your The Talks at Table is here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. Ty, you're wrong about Indianapolis in May, pal. I just want to let you know that. I wouldn't have took a piss after you just had your entire thing. You have no idea how much fun this month is going to be here in Indianapolis. Yeah, yeah, of course. Listen, I've been to it before. Okay, so you can do all this kind of stuff. I've seen it with my own two eyes, and I don't ever need to go again.

If you love racing, that's fine. I'm not taking a shot at you. I'm just saying when you live in Indianapolis or the greater Indianapolis area, it gets shoved down your goddamn throat. Some of us don't like that. 300,000 people coming to Indianapolis every single day. We watch

it. That is part of the problem. That is part of the problem. You sell it out. You sell it out. You get to watch it. It's the greatest spectacle in racing. It's the greatest event ever. Why is it not getting sold out? It's 10 miles of seats. You need 750,000 people to sell it.

Then get it done. Then get it done. I don't want to hear it. Get it done then. You know why it doesn't get done? Because after three minutes and you hear those loud engines, the first three minutes are awesome. And then, boy, does it lose its luster fast.

No, there's a rave going on inside. DJ Diesel's doing his thing. Yeah, no thanks. I don't give a shit about that. I don't want to go do that. I'm there to enjoy the race. But it's tough to enjoy the race when you don't give a rat's ass. That's what I'm saying.

It's not for me. Okay, well, don't project your feelings on it. Well, that's what I'm saying. Everyone who's getting pissy and who's upset, listen. Enjoy it. You go enjoy it. Just don't make me feel like I have to enjoy it because I'm not going to. Breaking news.

You don't care about DJ Diesel? Okay. You can take that up a shack. Timmy Trumpet is performing. What? Or the Indy. You're telling me you don't want to see that? The Indy 500 is a spectacle. Not only is it the greatest race ever. Oh, I didn't know Sullivan King was going either.

Yeah! And Griffin! Dom Dola! Excision, though. It's just not for me. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. You're allowed to have it.

Everybody who's going, enjoy it. Enjoy carb day. Enjoy whatever other bullshit. Yeah, qualities and the race itself. Enjoy it. Silly Saturday. Enjoy it, okay? It's not silly Saturday.

It's qualities. That's this guy. This guy's skidding off pretty well because I know he agrees with me 150%. He just won't say it. One half of the hammer. Down. Cowboys, also a hater. Tone Dix.

No, no, no. I do agree about the Indy 500, but I'll be there for the Brickyard 400 because Rubbin is racing, brother, and ain't no Rubbin during the Indy 5, okay? Are you kidding me? You see Scott Dixon two years ago? His car actually goes- Don't get too close to me. Upside down.

Upside down. Flying through the sky. Because they're not built to be Rubbin. Remember that tire that went all the way over the- Shot into the car. Upside down. Flying through the sky. Because they're not built to be rubbing. Remember that tire that went all the way over the thing? Shot into the crowd. Hit a car. Another reason not to go. Oh, now you're scared.

You little bitch. That's what you two are. You guys are scared of the Indy 500? Just tell us. Just say that. Just say you're not confident enough. You're going to be able to survive. Scared of getting bored to death.

Bingo. Well said, Tony. 12 years as a corner in the NFL. Man, have you experienced the Indy death. Bingo. Well said, Tony. 12 years as a corner in the NFL. Man, have you experienced the Indy 500 yet? Yeah. You have? Yeah. Great times. No. Well, what happened? It was probably raining that day.

Yeah, it was probably a bad day. I had to pack my Jones this year. You've done the Indy 500? Yeah. It wasn't a good day. It's a long day. You're signing up for a long day. Long day. It's hard to get out. A loud day, too.

Getting out of it's very tough. That's the worst part. 350,000 people trying to get out of a place in Indianapolis. One road, everything's closed. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough. Those things aren't, it's not what it's about, though. It's about experiencing, wow, what you guys are doing right now needs to stop.

Okay, it's criminal. You guys are, though. It's about experiencing, wow, what you guys are doing right now needs to stop. Okay, it's criminal. You guys are acting like this is an F1 race. Speaking of, ladies and gentlemen, nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here. F1 Miami this weekend. Yep, you saw what Steven Ross got offered. No, I didn't. That was absurd. What was it?

Big bag. What was it? I saw $10 billion. For everything, though, not just the race. Like teams, all of Steven Ross' stuff, he was offered $10 billion. By who? And he said no? Mm-hmm. He said he entertained it. But at the end of the day, he said, nah.

Who offered him? Wants to keep it in the family, he said. Who? Yeah, who was it? It did not say. Like a VC firm? Was that Saudi? I don't know. I read the whole article. I did not see it in there. $10 billion in cash? Yes. That'd be tough to say no. We're talking about these college kids. Yeah. Get $100,000 in front of them. Yeah. Want to keep it in there. $10 billion cash? Yes. That'd be tough to say no. We're talking about these college kids. Yeah.

Get $100,000 in front of them. Yeah. Want to keep you in the family. Ten of them. What a hero, Steven Ross. Nobody's ever said that. Nobody's ever said that about Steven Ross. Definitely not.

An offer of $10 billion. Dolphins valuation soars partly. Oh, this is F1 trying to sneak in. Steven Ross came out and said, I made more from the race than I made all season long from the games and the teams. partly. Oh, this is F1 trying to sneak in. This is you guys trying to get out of it. I made more from the race than I made all season long from the games and the teams. I've been in the Indy 500 as well. It was alright. That was actually my introduction

to motorsport. It was great. You guys are underselling this thing. It is a spectacle. There's only one race in the entire country that is like the Indy 500 and it is sweet. It's a great time. This is what we do. On Indy 500 day, watch the race in Monaco in the entire country that is like the Indy 500, and it is sweet. It's a great time. This is what we do. On Indy 500 day, watch the race in Monaco in the morning for F1.

It'll be on. Watch it. Go to your local go-kart track. See if that's better than that bullshit that F1 puts out there in Monaco in their Super Bowl, and then go ahead and watch the Indy 500 and see what happens. You're going to see cars flipping, going 200-something miles an hour. It is. It was cool. You three.

It was cool. I went to the 500 once. The highlight was finishing my bottle of whiskey and getting the hell out of there. Dude. See? That's not I will tell you, glamping was fun, though. I didn't see anything like Dega at the 500. If they incorporate

some of the stuff I saw at Dega going on. I agree. I'm not letting you guys talk about my Indianapolis experience like this much longer. How about all the events? So many events. The parade. The parade is sick, dude. It's everything.

Everything. You guys are missing it all. Diggs wants more Talladega. A guy just wants to see boobs, and that's going to get him to watch races. That's out there at the Coke Lot. I mean, you go out to the Coke Lot and you find out. Well, you saw at Talladega that's four straight nights. I was talking about a super speedway with

rubbing. Okay, going 200 miles. Super speedway. That's what it is. I am so sick of the ignorance that is being spewed from this program. People always say that we're part of the problem. I think right now, they're right. They are right. You, you, you. Who's the greatest racer of all time?

Mario Andretti. Wrong. Dale Earnhardt. NASCAR, well said. He would have picked Indy if that was a real racing circuit. It ain't. It's more so where he was born probably, but I understand what you're saying. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who can settle this debate.

Any 500 sounds like an event he would love. Yeah. Oh, yeah. College football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk. Yeah. A.J., 300,000 people packed into one spot. It's about 150 degrees. You're getting sunburned.

It's hard to get drinks and food, but what you're watching is something that's going to be talked about forever, right? Yeah, just a majestic environment. From what I hear, I have never been. I'm actually named after the great Indy racer, AJ Foyt. That is partly why I have my name, AJ, the initials. I've never been to a race. My grandpa used to go to the

My grandpa went to the time trials, the quals, as you guys may call them. He used to go do all of that, so he was big into it. I have not been. I have zero desire to go, actually, to tell you the truth. Tony Diggs just did some quick research. A.J. Foyt is Anthony Joseph, not Aaron James. Not like he's like my dad and I'm a junior, but yes, after.

Foyt, one of the Foyt boys is now part of the Indianapolis Colts. Married one of the Irsay daughters. I think his name's, don't get it wrong. Aaron James after AJ Hawkins. That's the huge name. It ain't even put a junior at the end. You guys are really selling it, though. I've never been, but you guys really make it something that I think people are going to run,

not walk, and try to get to this event. It sounds amazing. It is awesome. I'm pumped to go this year. I'm going this year. The first couple laps, what, three, four laps? Or is it really cool? And then you're thinking, okay, what do I do for the next six, seven hours? First of all, as the race is starting, the entire pageantry to start the thing.

Agreed. It's cool. It's awesome. It's incredible. The person who goes up in the big thing and starts it off is Kissen and Brick, right? Isn't that part of it? That's at the very end. Okay. That's at the very end. Only if you win, you get to keep streaming.

You're right, though. I will say, you should go once. Absolutely. There we go. Absolutely. I agree with that a thousand. But if you're not a massive racing fan and you've been once, you will never want to go again. That's all I'm saying. So I would not

be going probably ever again for a long time. You guys have kids. That's why I'm going. You guys told me like, hey, you got to go. Have you ever done it before? Just the one year that we were there. That was not the right way

to do it. See, I thought that was awesome. We did the live show there, and we did it in the garage, and they just had the engines revving the whole time. Oh, yeah, that was great. And they were charging people like $350 to come watch our show. Yeah. That was really good. That was fun.

Yeah, there's a lot of questions about the whole operation over there. I didn't know that. Yeah, it was great. I don't know if I'm going to. So how do the people get in here? Well, they got to buy this pass. Well, how much is the best $350? Okay.

That was very nice of you guys to do that. Everybody else is out there. Yeah, you guys are in here. We told them you'd all take pictures with them and all that kind of stuff afterwards, too. Good people over there. Trophy, Sid. Yeah, talk about the barn partner. It's a great trophy.

Yeah, it is. Second to the barn partner. The barn partner trophy? Yeah, absolutely. The Brian Barner trophy. It side-eyes everybody and gives them nasty looks the entire time is that what it does all right let's uh aj i don't know if you heard why is that guy always side eyeing me i don't know i don't think he thinks he's doing it i don't think he thinks he's doing it he saw a clip i think one time he was always i caught one live at tahoe this

year and i i'm always like so high when i'm around him because it's out in Tahoe. It's like a couple days off, and it's like, why does this fat bastard keep side-eyeing me? I'm not an office fan. I will smack this guy in the mouth. That's all I keep thinking in my head the entire time. I'm like, why does this guy keep side-eyeing me? And everybody's like, he's a good guy.

He's a funny guy. He does those cameos. he's a good guy. He's a funny guy. He does those cameos. He's a good guy. I'm like, well, somebody needs to tell him that I too, pretty good guy. And he stopped looking at me like this. Literally every single time he looks at me, that guy. I'm like, I'm done with it. The one time

he came up kind of right behind you and was almost staring over you talking to AJ and then you chimed in and that's when it was like, all right, break. And then he kept going. You guys got debts with everybody on the course. Hey, don't you be side-eyeing me. Why don't you pay everybody that you lost to, pal?

Keep it moving. Anyways. I didn't know we were going there. That was awesome. 8,500 gets everybody juiced up. That's why it's the best. That's why it's the best. Wide open.

Yeah, I don't like that guy at all. And I'm sure he's great. Everybody's seen him. AJ likes him. Aaron loves him. Well, there's some other people we don't like we could probably talk about too. Who's that? Protesters?

Yeah, we have a plane getting set up. Oh, yeah. If nobody's going to do it, I'll do it. To whom much is given, much is required. That's right. How come nobody has done this? I feel like it's the right play. For all these protesters, okay,

I will get a 757. I'll pay for it. Me personally. Let's send them to Gaza. Right? If, like, boots on the ground. To help out, you mean? To help?

Yeah. Yeah. I will do it. You want to take down America? That's very generous. That is very generous of you. Thanks. I think so, too.

Supporting the cause. How come nobody else has done this? I've been watching American flags get taken down and then everything go up and buildings getting taken over by the smartest people we have and all these Ivy League things. It's like, I appreciate your passion. I very much do. Let's make the world a better place. I will get to 757.

You can all hop in, go right on over there, boots on the ground. Let's make some real change. Let's do that. I'm a hero. Yeah. Seems reasonable. Yeah. And let's let kids go to class.

Okay. I'm happy we're figuring things out here. Baumgartner, bum. In my eyes. In my eyes. Huge Kevin Malone fan. You like, everybody around me likes this guy. I don't like him, personally.

And 757 on the house. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Look at this. Rabbit, rabbit, baby. Making change. It's May in Indianapolis. Yep. It's awesome. Look at this. Rabbit, rabbit, baby. Making change. It's May in Indianapolis.

Yep. It's awesome. It's cool. Gets everybody juiced up. Something that hasn't already been done. I don't know how I'm the first person to say that. Nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler. Is F1 done after this Sunday on ABC,

or is this the last deal that we have to see it in the United States of America? Oh, no. Nobody's watching. F1 will be around for a long, long time. We can't watch any of the playoffs because F1 is on ABC live from. No, Miami. Great. That'll be good.

I wonder who's going to win. Well, Ruud van Baumgart, whatever the hell this guy's named, Max Vanderstappen is going to win. We know that. But his time's coming up, I guess, quickly, because the guy that's the big brain behind it all is gone. Oh, the Ernie Adams left, I heard, from the D-Bucks.

Yeah. You guys are falling along. Disrespectful. That's not exactly apples to apples, I feel like, in the comparison. But, hey, I get it. All right. Let's talk about some stuff happening around sports before Ryan Poles joins us in five minutes.

Once again, I just want to help with that 757. Yeah. They seem passionate passionate we're talking taking over buildings oh yeah yeah we need water that one okay this is the thing you should have thought of whenever you're taking over uh you know yeah hey do what you gotta do you're making the world a better place sweet but don't be begging for water when you're in the middle of it's hard to take you serious hard to take it's hard to take you serious right now you know it's been i think that's how a lot of us felt but we appreciate what you're doing and what you're saying who knows if you're right and when you're older you might

look back and say wow we're on the we're on the wrong side but we could get you get over there at least that's what i'm trying to do that's a hero this is sports person exactly i can't believe i'm the first person to let's talk about a situation brewing in sports, about a team that is obviously going to be covered very closely with everything that they do. And the reason why it's going to be covered with everything that they do is because their ratings, whenever they're on the field, through the roof. Their head coach, dynamic.

One of the most dynamic personalities and athletes in the history. We're talking about the Colorado Buffaloes, Deion Sanders' team. Now, last year started out hot. Here we go. We're doing it. Everything we said about the Louis bags that we're bringing into Colorado, we're taking to school. It's been irrelevant for a long time, and we're making them relevant.

We're bringing in millions and millions of dollars to the local economy. We're turning this whole place around, and it's the Deion Sanders crew coming in and doing it. Then, you know, they lose all the games. They kind of go down quickly. In the world that wanted to see them fail got very, very excited. This offseason, you bring in some different coaches, bring in some more players, and then in doing so, some players leave. More specifically, a man named Xavier Smith. Xavier Smith came out and did an article with

The Athletic, and he actually talked a couple of different things. I was actually getting mad. Can we put this up here, please? Yep. So I can see. It's a little. Yep. There we go. I was actually getting mad, like tears coming to my eyes because, bro, you never even tried to get to know me. Xavier Smith recalls Deion Sanders telling him he should enter the spring transfer portal. He was destroying guys' confidence and belief in themselves. The way he did it, it could have been done with a little more compassion. Now, this was the screenshot from the Athletics tweet that basically said Deion told him he needs to hit the portal and get the hell out of town. So this obviously generated a lot of eyeballs because all of a sudden we're starting to see, you know, the opposite side of what Deion Sanders and the way he utilized the transfer portal.

Now we got guys getting out who are pissed. So we wondered how the Colorado Buffaloes would respond to this type of article. Well, starting quarterback Shador Sanders says, I don't remember him, to be honest. Bro, I had to be very mid at best. Okay, quote tweet. Well, how'd that tweet do? 15 million views later and about 10,000 responses telling Shador to shut up and he better win more than four games if you want to run your mouth like this.

We thought, well, how's Dion going to handle Shador? He said, well, he'll be a top five pick. Where's your son going? LOL. I got time today. LOL. A lot of laughing out loud right in the face of KB who said, tell your son to stop acting like he's the coldest out here

and then put up a four and eight season. So everybody that has hated the Colorado Buffaloes from the beginning through now saw this as another reason to bury Deion Sanders in the Colorado Buffaloes from the beginning through now saw this as another reason to bury Deion Sanders in the Colorado Buffaloes a lot of people are saying like yeah Deion was a corner uh and one of the greatest athletes ever lived so whenever he talks his shit it's a little bit different than a starting quarterback coming out in talking shit but I think this is Shador just being like exactly who we think he just opened for little wayne the other day now well nfl teams question this i do wonder if they lose especially that first game to north dakota state

boy all of this is going to get very loud how did you see this kind of unfold and do you believe that colorado buffalo is going to be better than they were last year aj hawk yeah i think they should be better than they were last year i think deon's just being honest and he's being up front there's a lot. Think how many players are on scholarship in college teams now? I don't have any. 90? Used to be 80. I don't know, 85?

There's a crazy amount. So if you want to bring players in the portal, you need players to leave throughout the portal. And some coaches may not have the balls or the guts to tell a guy, hey, you need to get out of here. They may just try to run them off somehow or try to make them do the 5 a.m. workouts for three straight months and try to give him the message that, hey, you're not exactly a good fit for this squad.

So I think Deion, I think his son actually coming out, is just kind of standing up for his dad basically saying, come on now. We understand if we lose games, we can handle the heat. We understand what we're doing, what we're saying. But, yeah, like you said, you can do whatever you want if you win. If you win, you can do that. They did not at the end. So everybody's just been, you know, waiting and waiting and waiting.

They're okay with it, though. I feel like they love it. This is just chips on the shoulder. Here we go. We know it's us against the world. Yeah, last night got real loud for Shador. Very loud. Very loud for Shador.

And then today, Deion's like, yep, that's my son, actually. You didn't think that's how he would respond whenever I'm getting buried in there? Pac-Man, very close to the team and to Prime and Shador and everything. It's been loud since they got there. This obviously expedites the conversation. They need to win this year. Do you think they do? Yeah, I think they win.

But it's always going to be loud when you've got Sounders on the back of your jersey. Everywhere you go, it's going to be loud. They're used to it being loud. It ain't never not been loud. When it ain't loud, then that's when it's a problem. But Shadoggin better and better every game, every week. He is going to be a top five pick. Will they

win ten games? I don't know. Will they be better than next year? Hell yeah. And college you got to realize, it's no more just college, bro. You get paid to play. This is like the NFL now. All that, yeah, you know you could have did it better. Hey, bro, I've been watching you for six months.

You suck. You might as well end the deporter. Sorry to say it like that, but we're going to move on. And this ain't new. This ain't new either. We've all been on programs that AJ just mentioned. Well, I wouldn't say specific programs, but there are roundabout ways coaches will go about running players. It's kind of how the sausage has always been made behind the scenes.

It's not pretty. It's a cutthroat business, and now it's kind of how the sausage has always been made behind the scenes. It's not pretty. It's a cutthroat business, and now it's more of a business than anything. Didn't love Shador coming out and saying that. I just think it makes him look bad as a teammate, you know what I mean, if you're a quarterback. Leader of a program. Yeah, as a quarterback, it's just different. It's a different set of rules for quarterbacks, but I think they will win.

Let you know up front, I am extremely biased. I got a personal relationship with Deion. I have since I left college, so definitely want to see him and obviously his sons and the teams that he coach succeed. But I think they'll definitely be better on the field, and I think this is just kind of how the sauce gets made behind the scenes. Like, hey, shit like this happens. The coaches aren't happy-go-lucky with every player.

Players are treated differently sometimes. Is it right? Is it wrong? That may be, you know, whatever you say, but, you, but this is nothing new. They're going to have to win. Absolutely. And if they don't win, it'll still be loud. I guess you don't have to win. It was still open for Lil Wayne. They didn't win a lot of games last year.

He's going to be a top five pick in a lot of people's eyes. Odds, sportsbooks, I think he's tied for number one overall pick for odds. Yeah, he was the favorite with Carson Beck and Quinn Ewers. His odds did go down a little bit after the tweet last night. Yeah, because I think there will be some NFL people who obviously have a lot of respect for Deion and everything he's got going on and Shador's talent.

But quarterback is just a different animal because you're the face of the program, face of the organization. So him saying, I don't even remember this guy, is like, okay, we didn't get to know his teammates. People can hold that against him. But Deion has said, I don't even want him going to like four teams anyways. So what are we even talking about? What an anomaly of a situation. Let's pivot away from that to the NFL with the team that had the number one overall pick and the ninth overall pick.

Only four picks in this year's draft at the beginning, the lowest out of everybody in the NFL. They made a couple moves, picked up one, but one and nine remained the exact same that everybody thought going in. Ladies and gentlemen, the man who's been tasked with flipping Chicago back into a winner. GM for

the Bears, Ryan Pulse. How are you, bud? Doing good. How are you? I was worried we were never going to be able to talk to you again after our time down at the annual meeting. I'm very thankful that you're back on, and I can't fathom how cool you look as a general manager in the NFL right now.

Look at you, cut-off hoodie, sick, flat bill, with a pen in there, always scouting, always judging. We appreciate you taking the time to join us here post-draft. So number one overall, Caleb Williams. We knew that forever. Did you know that forever like everybody else? Or was there a full process of trying to figure out who could potentially be the number one overall pick?

Yeah, it wasn't the full process. The film was a film that stood out. It kind of had my heart from the beginning. But as we spent more time with Caleb and and their homework and got to know each other uh it became clearer and clearer go ahead aj when you see all this stuff surrounding and i know you guys do a great job of having your blinders on and not listening to whatever pundits or mock drafts might be um does it you guys know who you have like when you you know who c have. You know who Caleb is. Does anything ever infiltrate your guys' building of all the –

people just want to tear him down because he's been the number one pick for so long. How do you guys block that out, and how do you truly know that, hey, this is your guy? Yeah, I mean, I feel like with any relationship you're about to start, you've got to see the other person eye to eye. You've got to spend time with them real time and not take everybody else's you know thoughts with that so that's what we did we sat down with each other we had dinner together um all of our staff got to spend time with them i want to make sure some of our players sat down and spent time with them as well that means a lot to me means a lot to the locker room so once all those boxes got checked

that really didn't care you know about the noise and what other people had to say did you tell caleb before the draft you were taking him at number one no no no i think he knew though okay all right all right so there was because that would be a whole nother animal if caleb was told and he didn't tell anybody it's like okay here we go we got another story because coming out to AJ's point it was like his team closely sourced him we're saying all these things then we watch him at the pro day wrestling with his offensive linemen his teammates love him we met him at the draft seem incredibly humble he introduced himself to everybody it's like checked all the boxes from our standpoint from end of season to the draft I feel like he did the same for you.

And everybody's talking about that number nine overall pick. It's like, okay, well, they're probably going to get out there to get more picks. And if they don't, they're taking Roman Dunzey because him and Caleb are tight. That was going into the draft. People were saying that. And then all of a sudden it falls to pick nine. You knew Rome was going to be the guy if he was available.

And how did we land on that particular pick as opposed to maybe trading out and picking up some more pieces yeah rome was at the top of our list uh we have our our draft four kind of separated by different colors and there's there's certain guys you don't pass up on and uh rome's one of them uh it's hard to find a guy that is that big and that talented at the receiver spot, and on top of that being an unbelievable human being as well. So there was no moving off of Rome at all. You made some. You picked up another pick. D-Butt's got a question for you about next year.

Yeah, absolutely. Adding talent to that wide receiver room and then bringing over Keenan Allen as well, coming off one of his best seasons. He's been a dominating pro. DJ Moore coming off a career year as well. We've all known, hey, history to Bears, never had a 4,000-yard quarterback. Can we expect more of a wide-open offense, you know,

especially in the earlier part of the season going into it? Well, I think, you know, Shane's going to do a good job putting Caleb in a position to be successful. I think with any setup, having balance is helpful in that and and then with all the weapons that we do have you would think that we should have some success in the air as well but i think we want to keep keep it balanced keep everyone you know not knowing exactly what we're going to do and take advantage of those matchups. And if it's a heavy box, a light box,

being able to exploit whatever part of the field we need to. So I'm excited. I think we've attacked every level in terms of our weapons on our offense. So we're pumped up. Yeah, you're bringing Swift, too. Phenomenal running back. Obviously, that'll help in it all. And I think the big thing we noticed towards the end of last year after

you brought in Sweat and then paid him, which a lot of people questioned. A lot of people say, you're going to pay this guy that hasn't been here a bunch of money. It felt like Ibrafluse's culture settled in to the locker room, to the roster, to the defense. When you're meeting with these guys before the draft, are you asking questions to find out if

they could fit in with Ibrafluse's culture? Is that a big part of it? What do you think the culture of the team is? Yeah. No, we play hard. We play fast. We play violent. And you've got to have passion for the game. And if you have those things, you're going to be fine.

But there is a level of intensity that Flux brings and expects. It's just a part of the standard. So we want to make sure we're bringing in guys that can beat that. It's easy to see. It's less in the interview. It's more on tape that we can see if you're going to be able to match that standard. All the guys that we brought in do, even the punter. That's all I'm going to say. The only reason why I'm doing this interview is because I've got a punter in here.

Let's talk about Torrey Taylor. Ty was going to ask about him, but since you brought him up, I will. He's big. He's a big dude. At Iowa, he was like winning them games. Best player. Yeah, legit. They were trying to put him in the Heisman conversation

as a punter, which is obviously incredibly abnormal, but there's some games you watch that's like, well, he just pinned six times inside the five, and the Iowa defense is the biggest weapon for him. He was clearly the number one punter on the board. At what point, whenever you decide to pull the trigger on him,

do you think it's too early for a punter, too late for a punter? How did you kind of go into making the decision to bring Torrey to Chicago? Yeah, I didn't expect him to get much further. Definitely didn't think I'd be able to pick him up when we got to the fifth round. And really the thought process there is to make anyone we're playing really uncomfortable. I didn't play much in the NFL, but I know running onto the field

and having the ball spotted inside the 10-yard line is very uncomfortable feeling it's disheartening at times um and i love taking advantage of field positions and really that should help us with points as well so i think it's going to add to our team and uh and again make it uncomfortable and difficult for for any team we're going against he's so powerful i watched him at the big 10 championship in warm-ups and i i assume he didn't have his uncomfortable and difficult for any team we're going against. He's so powerful. I watched him at the Big Ten Championship in warm-ups, and I assume he didn't have his best warm-up. But whenever you hear the sound of when he hits the ball,

it's like, oh, this guy's got a little boom. This guy's got some real boom. He's been working all offseason to become the standard NFL punter and kind of turn balls over. I can't wait to watch him. Thank you for doing that for the break. Thank you for doing that. I think maybe in the second round, if you would have been able to have a pick, or third round, you pulled the trigger there.

Obviously not a lot of picks. With that being said, Connor has a question for you. Yeah, obviously there's a lot of behind-the-scenes coming out right now. For instance, you know, the Jets, they just released a three-minute video, and during that video, Joe Douglas mentions how Atlanta actually was trying to trade back up to 10. During your process, either before the draft or during that video, Joe Douglas mentions how Atlanta actually was trying to trade back up to 10. During your process, either before the draft or during the draft, were there any just absurd trade offers at one or nine that even though you had your guys,

you had to consider just because, I mean, a year before you pulled off one of the greatest draft trades probably ever, looking back on it? No, nothing crazy. I don't think I ever allowed it to get crazy because, you know, we were gathering information on Caleb. And I knew, you know, again, from the tape, it was a rare prospect that had a lot of talent that could help us turn this thing around.

So it was going to take a lot. So by the time we got to the point where we felt comfortable um i wasn't even gonna take those calls anymore or even you know listen to what it was going to be because i knew this was the right move for us i kept it moving uh but for nine a couple calls some interest um probably similar situation with the jets, but nothing that was going to take us off a roll. We watched that video of Joe Douglas. We'll air it here in a little bit that the Jets put out. Is it that intense in every – are you – I mean, he was –

I'll call back. And why is he using his cell phone there? Do you guys not have just a phone at one button every single GM? Or what are the operations behind it all? No, we all have phones that are wired into every draft room. But I think it's just habit. We all call each other off of our cell phones. We just jump right back into that when we're in the rooms.

I was so flustered. I'm like, why the hell is he using his own? Yeah, because Ballard, all the Ballard videos. Yeah. He's on the landline. Yeah, and it's like they're recording all this. Joe Douglas is on his cell phone. We can't hear shit.

We can't hear a single thing. He's like in the background. He's like, what is he saying? Can we put some captions on there? There he is. He's literally sitting in the back of the room. We'll watch this video later. It is fantastic.

Is that an accurate depiction of every room? No, our room's pretty chill. Go ahead, AJ. Have you ever heard of a room or been in a war room to where you do have, like someone, the GM or owner limits cell phones or says, hey, we can't trust anybody. I don't know if anyone in here is texting a reporter, tipping things, trying to get information.

Have you ever heard of any rooms where they do have to kind of take those precautions? No. I mean, I've had rooms that, you know, limit how many people are in the room. It can be four or five in the room and keep everyone outside for that issue. And off that list, if you're the GM, how do you let people know, hey, you know, you're coming in, you're not, you're not. Like, how do people know if you're the gm how do you how do you let people know hey you know you're coming in you're not you're not like how do you how do people know if they're coming into the room yeah i'm sure there's an email or just kind of a notification of you know it's only

going to be the top decision makers and directors and above uh that are going to be in the room but it's important for me everyone's had their hand in the process. There's a ton of hard work that goes into it across the board. On that day, I feel like it's right to have everybody in there. If you're on staff, I trust you. You keep the whole crew in there to

go through the process. Raj told you to take the full 10 minutes there on that first pick. How did that work out? I had to take five minutes to let five minutes go by first. We found out about every pick 10 minutes before they all came out. We knew Odunze at six, I think. Yeah, the internet just had them all. So we had a little situation with the NFL, actually,

because the internet knows all these picks before everybody else. I think that's why AJ asked about like how do these things get out what is it you guys get a heads up before everybody else about who's picked before you or how is it different from where you are versus where we are yeah we just have a the league has a like a live draft site so as soon as you know enters plugged in from a draft room that gets posted onto this, this site. So that's why when you listen to the Jets deal, you'll hear someone yell the pick pretty quickly. So that's why there's a little bit of a headstart there.

Yeah. It helps us out. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Ryan, through the process leading up to the draft, we talked to a lot of GMs and like one of the questions a couple of us always had was like, how much you're kind of paying attention to what's going on in the division itself now obviously if you're drafting a quarterback one overall like it doesn't matter you know you need to get that guy but how much of like looking at the packers lions and vikings and like what they kind of are as a team how much of that dictates what you actually do in the draft if anything um no not too much you know we have pro staffs that are uh assigned to to each team in the league and it's more about what their needs are uh to help you manage if you need to trade up in front

of someone or you can trade back safely and still get your guy. So that's there. But in terms of reacting to what teams do in the moment, I know we don't do that. I think that would just lead you to make some probably some poor decisions. How do you feel? Did you look at everybody else's draft? Do you want to judge them publicly here in the NFC North? No, I'm not going to judge them. I'll let them take care of their own stuff and

worry about ours and keep it moving. Ty said some terrible stuff to the Detroit Lions fans on Friday. I don't know if you can see it. He said some very rude stuff to the Lions fans. Tone has a question for you, Poles. Yeah, Mr. Poles, you were adding a lot of weapons, okay? So do you know something we don't know about the new

stadium? Now that it's definitely going to be done for next season? It's going to be indoor and you guys are just going to throw it, I don't know, 80% of the time. That's why you're going with all the weapons? Fast track. You're working with the mayor. No, I don't know how long it's going to take.

But we're excited about the stuff that they put out and the images of it. I think it'd be really cool, but we'll see how long it takes. We'll be outdoors for a little bit. Where's everybody parking? I'm not sure. Figure it out. I do have a special request

on behalf of all the former players and on the current players now. Can you fix the All-22 angle in the new stadium, please? Because that old Chicago Bears all 22 angles was shitty. Please. It actually was fixed last year. Okay. That's what Paul's done.

Got your ass. That's what Paul's done. My bad. My apologies, big man. My apologies. No, we put some robotic cameras up top so you don't have that overhang kind of blocking everything. Thank God. That was a little bit of an advantage, but it was also screwing them.

So I didn't really – Bad ball. I didn't fully understand it. Pac-Man's got a question for you, Poles. Poles, now that the draft is over, how important is it to get some of these guys – there's still some good guys out there that's going to play some critical downs. Are you still boots on the ground looking at guys right now, or is it time to debrief and watch the rookies for the older guys

or the guys that are still free agents? No, we'll take a look at who's still available and have those conversations and see what fits. There's a couple things into that. It's what guys are asking for, you know, in terms of salary, what fits the cap situation that we're in, now that we have clarity. Having to pick one non, you know, it's pretty expensive. So that kind of messes with our cap a little bit.

But we definitely look at what's available and see if any of those guys can help our roster for sure. Love that. The work never stops as an NFL GM, just like the stories never do. Zito would like to say something to you, Mr. Poles. Yeah, basically, I've lived for 32 years. That was the greatest draft I've ever been a part of there. And I feel like I was in the war room with you. So thank you very much.

You're welcome zero hey caleb he just you know we all obviously saw him at usc saw him in the heisman highest paid nil guy of all time a lot of bullshit coming around him what is your messaging to him whenever he comes in it's i assume the pressure is already enough because he's number one overall pick but how are you guys talking to him what are the expectations and how do you kind of see the next couple months going for him yeah I think it's just getting on the same page with his teammates um he's already started that he's reached out to everyone I think he's reached out to a lot of guys in the defense as well um getting with him to to, getting that timing right,

and then getting in the playbook. You know, there's a lot of changes from the college game and the offense he was running in college to what he'll do here. We'll make sure we adapt to his strengths, you know, as well to make sure that he's doing what's comfortable. He can play fast and free. But it's really getting in the playbook and get those concepts down so he can really spit calls and get everyone on the same page. But in terms of the locker room, he's already started.

It matters to him, so that part's easy for us. It comes natural to him. Seems like he's done everything right. And the dap up in the hotel when we got to meet him, very clean. I mean, very, very natural. I was sitting down. He was standing up. He had a group of people around him.

Nice, easy, how we doing, keep it moving. Vibes were immaculate, seemingly. Did you wake up and say, Caleb, no matter what, on a Post-it note? And when did you write that note to yourself? Was there a moment where you decided yep it's going to be caleb i actually came in for a sturdy visit so it had been a good couple weeks um which made it tough to wait until uh to draft day but um no i was pumped up to get it done finally sounds like zito was too i mean yeah he was oh there. Oh, yeah. Just got rash.

Zipper burn on himself. Big time. Oh, no, he was jacked up. Hey, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. Keep killing it over there. You know, you told us down at the annual meetings, I feel like some of the conversation and chatter about the Chicago organization not being a place is the reason why I was hired. We were hired to kind of turn this thing around.

You heard the stat from D-Butt there about not having a 4,000-yard quarterback and everything. Feels like you're doing everything right, and we appreciate the hell out of you taking time with us, brother. Absolutely. Appreciate you guys. All right. Tell Kevin Warren we said hello.

Will do. Love you, Kev. Now tell him it's not our fault during COVID. He said we're not playing football. But we had. I mean, we got to talk about it. What do you want from us, ladies and gentlemen? Ron Paul, thank you.

It's not our fault. We love football now. We have to talk about football. We're talking about football. We're in Big Ten country. What do you want from us? Bob. I mean, that's when Bob really came alive.

When football got shut down. Came alive. That's when the general was born. Boom. You're right. Please have a little bit of respect there. The general was sending people to Warren's office via our show. I can see how that guy might potentially hold a little negative views on us.

Football ended up happening, though. Exactly. That's it. You're welcome. Can't stop football. And we don't know if Bob, the general, didn't even show up at Warren's house. He might have with picket signs. So it's understandable.

Yeah, but we didn't tell him. No, we didn't. Hey, that's the general. That is not. General's got his own marching orders. Yeah. Yeah. From the top.

From himself. Exactly. And Bob Sr. as well. He wrote the marching orders, looked at them, said, okay, got to go. Hey, how about him coming on? We thought that was over. And Bob Sr. as well. He wrote the marching orders, looked at him, said, okay, got to go. Hey, how about him coming on? We thought that was over.

Oh, yeah, for sure. The relationship with Chicago. We lost our plug in the building and plug leaves and it's like, this ain't good because we said a lot of things about the guy that's running that building over there.

But Poles, I think he's the one that was like, yeah, I'll do the show, no problem at all. So we appreciate him. He's locked in young. He's got a lot of, you know, Chicago.

Very young. Chicago, obviously, is the third largest city in the United States of America. Sometimes two. Never. It's actually getting further away from two. If you look at the numbers, and let alone what's going on, I'm not even diving into it. Closer to four. Not even diving into it because we already offered a 757.

So we don't need to. Yeah, that's right. Are you going to pitch in for that too? I will. I'll pitch in, absolutely. That's what I'm talking about. This is leading from the front. Hawk can fly the plane.

There you go. You're right. Hawk can fly the plane over. The general. I got a few hours. In the Hawk. Yeah. We'll fly him on over there.

Ladies and gentlemen. We got it. Please enjoy your flight. What a wild time to be alive. few hours in the hawk yeah we'll fly them on over there ladies and gentlemen we got it please enjoy your flight what a wild time to be alive but anyway chicago is like a football city oh yeah right like obviously go back to chris farley and the entire yeah the bears the whole thing bill swarsky they've been crap you know oh yeah crap aaron rogers was able to do all that i own you shit because he did and the packers took over the division for a long time. Brett Favre hands the baton off to Aaron.

It's like, yeah, the Chicago Bears, bigger city, definitely our rival. To hell with them. They are a nothing. And that's kind of what they've been in the grand scheme of the conversation of the NFL. But now it feels like there's real juice behind them. And if Caleb can live up to the expectation I think a lot of people put on him, that NFC North is going to be an absolute buzzsaw from top to bottom, I'm thinking.

I mean, Zeke would be able to speak about this better, but in terms, like, people were excited when they drafted Justin Fields, for sure. Like, absolutely. It's still a first-round quarterback in the, what, if he was 11 or whatever he went. It's completely, just from the people like you know being from Iowa a lot of Bears fans a lot of people I grew up with are massive Bears fans like

the excitement now with Caleb Williams and kind of like this new regime who especially with the way they ended last season like it's completely different now than it was when they drafted Justin Fields I think people are they're talking about the Bears not only making the playoffs this year but I think even if they don't, there's an actual plan and vision in place where it's like, hey, two years from now, this is going to be one of the best teams in the NFC North, maybe in the NFC as a whole. Now, I know that Caleb is going to love Chicago, and Chicago is going to love him. Yeah, we're doing Bear Claws.

Of course. Bear Claws. First time ever. Bear Claw, good way to show off if if you got any of your nails painted, too. Oh, yeah? Because you just kind of hooked that son of a bitch a little bit more. Hell, yeah. You know what I mean?

We got an open claw, and then we got a closed one where we got good nail paints. Can't do that. Didn't he growl as well? Yeah, I think there is, like, a snarl. I didn't see any videos. I only saw photos. So I don't know if he was growling. He's definitely snarling, though.

Pretty cool little look. It's a good photo, actually. Oh, yeah. Just an easy thing to take photos with people. Hey, Caleb, can I get a photo? Yeah. You trademark that thing yet? The bear claw?

Caleb claw? Thanks. Oh, the Caleb claw. Oh. Why haven't they been doing that as Bears? I think Baylor had their paw on that. Well, that was... We adapted.

We made it better. Sick on Bears. Bears, were they around before Baylor? Chicago? That's the organization. I don't know. Was the city Chicago around before? When we were the organization What? I don't know, it's Texas Was the city Chicago around before? When we were the Cardinals

Yeah It's hard to be a claw whenever you're a Cardinal And Baylor got in there and stole that thing But Caleb seemingly loves Chicago Chicago's going to love Caleb if he's good at football That's just how this goes With everything The Indianapolis Colts first round draft pick.

This guy said this forever, brother. Already got a tattoo. Leatu got a horseshoe tattoo on his right shoulder. What's your face? That's a beautiful tattoo. I mean, we got to be honest here, right?

No, he's best. He's the best. Freaking rushing the draft. That's all I care about. You paint your nails or not, if your tattoos stink or not, if you sign with different It doesn't stink! It's healing. It's new. It's just healing.

Yeah, it's a little blurry because it's like Bigfoot. It's brand new. Look at that move, though. That's a sack for sure. Let's go get that move. Yeah, that's an actual tackle in the NFL. That guy just retired. Oh. Oh. Oh. Using the six-year-old tattoo artist was bold.

So this is recent? No, he knew he was going to the Colts. Okay. He's wearing the Colts stuff. He knew it was going to happen. He's like, oh, he's the mentalist. At his draft party, he was in a tattoo parlor. It's a big issue.

As soon as he got drafted home it does look like there's a chance that's a prison or living room tattoo yeah on his arm he's gonna have to add some to it he knows that he's lay off the law too right he knows that he's gonna have to add to it but i just like the fact that he said forever brother you guys changed my life he's grateful and thankful in the city of indianapolis which is celebrating its greatest month starting today hell yeah appreciates him for Indianapolis Which is celebrating it's greatest month Starting today What's this month called? May

I didn't realize it was such a big deal Is there really checkered flags hanging up? Yes brother, it is May 1st Because the Indy 500 Sometimes happens at the end of May Always It is the greatest month In any city in the United States of America.

I'll send you pictures of my neighbors. There's so much stupid checkered flags. Oh, okay. Sorry you have no spirit about Indianapolis hosting the largest sporting event in the United States of America every single year. I got one flag flying outside of my house, and that's American, brother. There was a couple other ones flying in a couple of these campuses. I guess down there in North Carolinaolina a couple boys that i met

whenever we were doing college game day said that's cute whenever take that down let's go ahead and put up the united states of america flag get old glory back up there this is becoming a real thing did you see the ai uh photo creation of those kids because it is awesome they basically did the i'm trying not to look at ai photos anymore because they're so despicable yeah yeah this one this one's kind of hilarious they like redid the i think it was the iwo jima yeah iwo jima there they redid that just with all those kids doing it it was ai's a problem what's that ai pictures their problem well especially whenever there's a lot left to be figured out true you know what i mean like left to the imagination yeah what do you mean like what a lot of assumptions just come from a photo that isn't real about two bears and then all of a

sudden it's like wait a second why is your brain going there automatically there's a couple other options potentially but then if it pisses off that many people there has to be some sort of issue going on we just want everybody to come together and enjoy sport let's be happy we just want to enjoy sport but ai is out here creating photos of question marks, making people get offended. Some other people laugh. It's a wild time. Nick warned us. He did. I did. Nick was saying stupid shit. He was talking about those damn dogs that couldn't run. He was like, these are the things that are going to kill us.

It's like, no, they're not. I'm going to unplug them. They're going to have no power, and I'm going to kick them in their little stupid head. Their battery operated. You could buy a flamethrower one now. They're for sale to the public. I will take the battery out of that little bastard so fast. You might be on fire. Not me.

I'm wearing a flame retardant suit like the Indy 500 race. Smart. Top to bottom. I'm not worried about those stupid dogs. What I'm worried about is the Photoshop tearing us apart. Yeah, that's true. That's what's happening right now. The video is going to be worse.

The video looks absolutely crazy. It's not out yet, though. Which video? AI video. I saw you in one. You came out swinging your hands. You were just pumped about the Colts. Yeah, and if that's what AI is, they're crop.

Oh, no, no, no. What I'm talking about is way better than that. Yeah, that's not what Fox is talking about. The same type of thing that they can do with creating photos. It's like you give it a prompt, and it makes the photo. They're almost there with videos. Yeah, that was child's play they're they're getting there don't worry oh nick enough with the doom and gloom seriously though there's videos that that is the same type of how about this i would like to put you on a plane too and send you to wherever ai is i'll pay for

that for you to hit so i will go eliminated i'll chip in like me and aj paying for planes for everybody to go make boots on the ground and make actual effects on things and change things. You're welcome, Nick. Good luck wherever the hell they are. Thank you. As long as the General and Hawk are flying the plane, leading the charge. Joining us now as we wrap up on ESPN, but he deserves

to be on ESPN. And we'll continue on YouTube, ESPN Plus, and TikTok Live, which once again, need some big... Still alive though, right? Still in limbo. Only eight months left or whatever. Yeah.

Need somebody to drive. The Scottish warrior, the former world heavyweight champion for five minutes and 18 seconds. He got screwed. Bamboozled. Ladies and gentlemen, Drew McIntyre. Yeah! I'm on your side, Drew.

We got two minutes left on ESPN, but the world needs to see you before we go on to YouTube and ESPN+. This man is supposed to be a champion. This man is supposed to be the face of WWE. And it feels like everybody's working against you, Drew. Do you agree with that? It feels like everyone's working against me these days,

be it CM Punk, be it fellow members of the roster, or be it your colleague on commentary it fellow members of the roster, or be it your colleague on commentary, Michael Cole, talking trash about me every single week. Get him, Drew. You know, The Rock loves you. The Rock is a part of re-signing you, keeping you in the WWE, being a WWE superstar, being one of the faces of the WWE. And you got Michael Cole just being a little bastard every single week. How are we going to handle this? How do we move forward, Drew?

What are the next steps for the Scottish warrior? Well, I suggest you have a talk with Michael Cole. You know, he's got, you know, the most powerful voice in WWE. He controls the narrative in WWE, whether people realize it or not. He puts the thoughts in their head that they're constantly thinking. And at one time he was telling them Drew McIntyre is the centerpiece of WWE. He got us through the pandemic. I did. And these days he calls me delusional. He calls me a hypocrite. It's appropriate

he comes from the background. He does in the mainstream media. He controls the narrative of WWE. And right now, I don't like the messages he's putting out about Drew McIntyre. I suggest you get in his ear or I'm going to get in his face and I'm going to start smacking him around using that power irresponsibly. He's a senior citizen, Drewibly he's a senior citizen drew he's senior citizen let's never forget that he's been in wwe 27 years let's not break his jaw well if he keeps on the path he's

on i'm going to break him verbally then i'm going to break him physically physically that's what it's coming to at this point i'm getting pretty peeled for michael cole every single week i listen to him it's like we don't watch the shows but we don't hear what he's saying by Michael Cole every single week. I listen to him. It's like we don't watch the shows, but we don't hear what he's saying. I hear him every single week delivering that message, controlling the narrative like he does, saying I'm delusional, whatever.

I've not lied once, Pat. You play every single clip for the past three, four years of Drew McIntyre. I'm not saying in the past I wasn't a bad guy. I ain't a bad guy these days. I'm a truthful guy.

And the world doesn't like the truth apparently anymore. Michael Cole apparently doesn't like the truth anymore. It's just a reflection of like the truth anymore it's just a reflection of society you tell the truth suddenly you're a bad guy you find one lie i've said i'll call you a liar because i ain't lied once i keep standing on business that's right you know what he's doing he's standing on business out there drew mcintyre and before the boys have their question i want to let you know when i told the boys this morning drew mcintyre is going to be on today, big pop

out to everybody. Big pop out to everybody. The boys love Drew McIntyre. Now, Michael Cole might be speaking out of both sides of his mouth, and that's what Michael Cole does. He's the voice of the WWE. I'm giving him the heads up. I give the heads up privately, and I'm giving you the heads up

on your show to get in his ear. He's going to see this, and the other changes as well. Is that what you you think i don't watch the show back of course i'm a professional i watch the product every week i hear him spreading those lies and it's getting to the point i'm calling him out live on your show right now when we get back to my freaking show the mood i'm in recently thanks to cm punk damian priest and all these other idiots on the roster that think they're the ones that should be leading the charge for wwe i'm going to start getting violent and nobody's more violent than a six foot five 280 pound scottish man with a freaking sword that they're all thin hell yeah it's great to see the sword back in your hand i would like to say you know in the bigger the sword you know the more pleasure

to be had is what they say right so they say i try to keep it pg especially my wife in the other room but yeah okay let's talk about you and cm punk uh michael cole said you're obsessed with So they say, I try to keep it PG, especially my wife in the other room. But yeah. Okay, let's talk about you and CM Punk. Michael Cole said you're obsessed with him. Do you think that's accurate? Do you think he is maybe taking advantage of your obsession and made you look dumb? Like, for instance, on Monday, he was up in his suite. You go run into his suite.

Now he's down in a ring. They're saying, not me, but others are saying, this guy looks like a big, dumb Scottish idiot up in the suite while CM Punk's down the ring. What are your thoughts on CM Punk? And do you think you're maybe a little over-obsessed with him? Are you keeping your eye on the target or are you missing some things because of your obsession? Maybe if Michael Cole thought for a second to be a journalist and ask me some of the hard-hitting questions, he would understand more why I feel the way I feel about cm punk i've referenced it repeatedly i won't go into details right now but we were on the roster together when i was just a kid from age 22 to age 26

he was somebody that could have been a leader for me and he actively hurt my career when i was younger and people were like oh just forget the past i hear about it all the time it comes to the bloodline it comes to some of the other things going wwe just forget the past. I hear about it all the time. When it comes to the bloodline, it comes to some of the other things going on in WWE. Just forget the past. Forgive and forget. I can't forget if you literally ruined my life. And right now, you look like a big, dumb idiot chasing CM Punk. No, I was saying, mate, get in my face. You screwed me at the

World Title of WrestleMania. Just face me like a man. You're playing games where I'm chasing you around. No, who's the coward here? Who's the, again, PGP word here? He is. If I look like an idiot chasing him around, okay, fairp word here he is i've i've looked like an idiot chasing him around okay fair enough but he's not willing to fight me like a man i'm gonna end up showing up at his doorstep you make embarrass me at wrestlemania it was five minutes and 46 seconds by the way sorry i had the title for before he cheated me out of it and i'm getting ready to

show up to chicago like i don't know where he lives and start smacking him around we're grown ass men we're gonna handle it grown ass ways that's my face in your face well i think he's uh still recovering from uh his injury obviously oh did him's did him's did him's i talked about this on monday as well you know what happened at mania when he attacked me from behind sweep my legs out he fractured my elbow this elbow right here broken bones in it you know what i did the next day i wrestled in a four-way match that i would have won if it wasn't for cm punk i've been been taping up every week. I did a European tour where I wrestled Jey Uso every single night. He's sitting on his couch, collecting his big paycheck,

thinking how he can kiss corporate arse to keep cashing those checks when I'm putting in the work. Who's the bad guy? Who's the delusional one? Who's the hypocrite? Love it. You're speaking a lot of sense here. Am I lying? I'm lying? No, if somebody called you a liar. That's what I'm telling lies. Yeah, they would be lying.

They would be lying if they were to say you were a liar. Now, I like CM Punk, but Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Drew, you know him as he is today, an ass kisser. He kisses your ass constantly. Well, I don't mind that. You're a nice guy, too. You've got all that power. He's a corporate kisser. Mate, you don't dress in the suit, but you've got power.

Hey, listen. Hey, McIntyre, I don't care if somebody's fake nice to me or real nice to me, as long as they're nice to me. I'm appreciative of them. You know what I mean? I'd rather they be fake nice. And CM Punk has certainly been that since he's gotten back. Now, to you, it's a whole different story.

Now, with that being said, Ty has a question. Yeah, Drew, I couldn't agree more with your points there. He is a corporate kiss arse. There's no two ways about it. And this could be a little extreme. I don't know if I would consider it that. But have you considered maybe just one of these nights

just saying, you know what? Fuck it. I'm going to take Angela. I'm going to pick her up here. And I'm just going to be head CM Punk in the middle of the ring. I'm just going to slice his head off. And then I can take his big dumb, you know, corpse of a head and just carry that with me everywhere.

Don't need the WWE title, okay? You just take around CM Punk's head to everyone in the locker room and say, hey, who's the big, bad wolf now, okay? Don't forget what this guy can do. And if you don't want to go that far, that's fine. Then maybe you just delivered not one not two but three claimer kicks to that big dumb stupid mouth of his just something to consider that's some good ideas i mean i love the sword idea it's like going to jail um i just think that'd be the easy way out i don't he just

doesn't deserve the easy way out he deserves to be tortured deserves to be beaten over and over even the claymore i have to jump up and fall down myself. It hurts me. I just want to punch his stupid face to my knuckles. Actually, it hurts my knuckles. I want to forearm his stupid face once there's bone heels until he's unconscious, not quite finished yet, so he can come back around and I can do it again. And I want to make his life

complete. He says he wants to make my life hell. He made my hell life when I was a kid. When I was young, I was naive. I was new to America. I could barely figure out how to pay bills, never mind operate in WWE. He could have helped me. He could have helped navigate those waters instead of actively hurting me, but I figured it out. I'm one of the top dogs in WWE. I will be the

top dog like I was once again. As I said, I'm a big, giant, angry monster now, and I'm going to smack him around. He breaks so easy, I don't want to hit him too hard. The guy's made of freaking glass. Every time I break him, he goes away. He rehabs. I don't know if he came back like a Terminator, so I need to figure't want to hit him too hard. The guy's made of freaking glass. Every time I break him, he goes away, he rehabs. I don't want to keep coming back like a Terminator,

so I need to figure out how to take him out for good. Jeez. I wonder if CM Punk's hearing all this. I think so. Oh, he's going to hear it. Why do you... He watches me constantly.

He doesn't reply on the internet because he knows he can't keep up. He's like, oh, Drew and his Twitter fingers. Oh, that's all you're good at? Whatever. No. Do I seem like the average troll?

I'll tear you apart on social media. Then I'll step from behind the keyboard. I'll tear you apart physically. And if I wasn't married, I'd take your girl too. That's the kind of troll I am. Jeez. Hell yeah, Drew. Jeez.

You're my mom's favorite superstar, as I've told you before. Hi, Mom. Don't steal her. Watch your mouth. Please. Okay, Drew. We don't need this right now. But you come out. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Watch your mouth. Please. Okay, Drew. We don't need this right now. But you come out.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's a fucking movie here. Yes. Just absolutely shredded. Yeah. Somehow way too athletic, too.

Like the kip up at 200 and what? How much do you weigh? Right now, about 282. How tall? Six foot five and a half. And it's a half inch. It makes all the difference. Amen. That's what I've been saying this whole time.

And then, what's your body fat? Do you get that tested? No, I don't test that. I don't have a diet or anything. I just lift heavy weights. I eat lots of food. I don't measure that. I don't watch what I eat. I just put the work in the gym, the work in the ring. That's all I do.

You're a fucking weapon, dude. Go ahead, AJ. Drew, why are you getting screwed over? Why is all of this happening? Are people intimidated by you, your good looks and your strength and what you may or may not do to them? Why do you think this is happening and how good is it going to feel once you're back on top and you are the king of the jungle? I feel great when I'm back on top.

I don't know why. Things have been going the way they're're going i feel like a lot of people are against me on our roster and i guess it's just wwe's on fire right now we've never been in history uh we're making billion dollar deals left and right we've got the billion dollar man nick can you know closing all these deals for us left and right at the top there's a lot of things going on a lot of opportunities if you get to the top and i've been to the top and whatever people are trying to do to stop me getting to the top it's not going to happen because i know this industry too well i'll figure it out backstage if you try to politic your way ahead of me i'll just beat you down and i'll get myself ahead of you because i know how this game works and i'm too big and wise and that's why i've been with

wwe for foreseeable future i wasn't going to go anywhere if anybody out there was unsure, reading those internet rumors or whatever. We're just in a place where, you know, I had to get things right for my family. I got with Nick Cannon. I got with Triple H. They were so understanding. And we got things right for the future. Drew McIntyre was never going to go away from WWE.

And it's awesome that The Rock made that announcement. It's the first time he's done that for anybody in a roster that Drew McIntyre has re-signed with WWE. And I want to talk about something positive, an inspirational headline. I was fired in 2014 by WWE, and I deserved to get fired. I needed to get fired to truly find myself. And 10 years later, The Rock's announcing that Drew McIntyre has re-signed with WWE. For anyone out there who's made it, and then you get knocked down in your butt, you've got to keep fighting.

You've got to keep pushing forward. You you got to leave no stone unturned put the work in be accountable to the person in the mirror you could do freaking anything i've done it time and time again and this is the most recent incident of it hell yeah let's go hell yeah drew obviously we as wwe fans are pumped to hear that you're never going anywhere else and you're sticking around for a while the man you've mentioned a few times there nick khan uh there was some internet rumors about him too selling stock and shares and everything like that i uh after talking to source says can report some breaking news that's not true has never sold a single share of any stock since getting to the wwe hasn't even put them up sale, which is an entire process to do that.

So that was a bunch of bullshit as well. So when you're talking about the WWE climbing, I love that you're going to be around, and I love that Nick Khan is going to be around. Things are seemingly, swimmingly beautiful for the WWE, but this man needs to stop getting screwed. It was evident the other night, Khan, man. Yeah, Drew, it was pretty ridiculous.

We talked about it. When the draft started in round one, pick one's getting about to be announced, are you preparing to walk out there because, like us, you just assumed you were the number one overall pick? Or what was that kind of reaction and feeling when you realized that you were sliding down the board? I don't know the right word for it. I was frustrated, but it's not even frustration.

I'm not angry. This is like whatever. I'm going to start cracking heads. It's just this is stupid. This is actually stupid. Let's just look at this situation. I think I said to the APA, Ron Simmons and John Bradshaw, they feel that we're out there.

They're known for being heavy drinkers. And I said, have you been getting all these guys in the war rooms drunk, the general manager's drunk since Friday to Monday? And that's why they're making stupid decisions like drafting Drew McIntyre in the third round. It doesn't even make me angry. It just perplexed me. And I had to just point out anybody in this arena can walk up to me, look me in the eye and say, this is sensible. This makes sense. I'll call you a freaking liar as I keep saying over and over and over. I'm just constantly perplexed, constantly shocked, and constantly just pointing out hypocrisy and stupidity in WWE. It mostly relates to me.

Yeah, amen. Once we found out that you were not... We weren't able to catch Friday's show live because I was in West Virginia and I was politicking for fans for the spring game, so I had to go to every bar in town that I went to. It was a great time, Drew.

Hey, proper, proper night. I mean, we had a... Proper night. Tell you I'll never have a drink with you, CM Punk. That guy's a good time. A little Pepsi all night. Swing, swing, swing. Swing.

He's straight at it, JJ. He doesn't drink or anything. Yeah, which is, you know. I said this on TV once. The most ironic thing about him is, you know, the straight edge thing. Yeah, he spends all his time in rehab. Okay, it's because he gets hurt. It's because he gets hurt.

All right, okay. There you go, the penny drop. Yeah, we didn't see, we didn't get to see the draft live. So on Monday before Raw, we pulled up all the draft selections from Friday night, and the first reaction from everybody was, wait, Raw, nobody's drafted Drew fucking McIntyre? How do we even get through a full first night without that taking place? It's all going to come back.

Are these chips on your shoulder, or are these distractions for you? I mean, everything just, I wouldn't say a chip on my shoulder. Everything is like, all right, if that's how you feel, I'll keep proving you wrong. I've proved everyone wrong for my whole freaking life since I was a kid in Scotland

and nobody had ever been signed from Scotland directly to WWE. And I said, I'm going to do it. And everyone around me, the 5 million Scottish people, put things in perspective, the 65 million people in England. And I said, what makes you so special?

How are you going to be the first person signed from Scotland directly to WWE? And I said, I'm going to make it happen one way or another. And I did. And I had everything. I let it slip away. As I mentioned, I got fired. And I said to my wife, I remember I'm going to be back and I'm not just going to be making up the numbers. I refuse to make up the numbers. I'm going to be the top of the heap, one of the top

superstars in WWE and eventually the top superstar in WWE. And I know things are going to come my way. Obstacles are going to get my way. And I'm going to be the top of the heap, one of the top superstars in WWE, and eventually the top superstar in WWE. And I know things are going to come my way. Obstacles are going to get in my way. And I'm going to keep smashing right through it. I'm going to keep putting in the work. I'm going to keep making sure I look like a WWE superstar. I wish some more of a superstar actually put in the work.

It seems like these days I'm constantly being asked, why don't half the roster look like wrestlers when it's, you know, new fans are coming in or people are getting eyes on WWE for the first time. I mean, I don't want to crap all over people. I'm just saying, unless you've got something that makes you so unique to stand out and you have a certain it factor about you, and people have that.

A lot of our rosters that aren't larger than life, they pass the airport test. Somebody that walks through an airport, your eyes are drawn to them. You can't figure out why. You don't have to be my size to have that. But for goodness sake, at least look like an athlete. Yeah, back in the day. I used to be like superheroes

Okay, these are super humans that are here representing his superstars and when you walk by especially if you're wearing a kill You know what the fuck? Yeah What's under your kill Nothing except on TV and getting the PG thing kills me as a sc It's disgusting to wear something under there. Aside from the show getting cancelled, I might get cancelled when I get home. Okay, got it. Let's keep the dong in.

Let's not go dongs out with our kill. Tone Diggs has a question for you. You kind of just took the words out of my mouth there when you talk about looking like an absolute superstar. And then after the draft, I was looking at the Monday Night Raw roster, and I said, man, there's one fucking guy who's going to carry this show every Monday night, and that's Drew McIntyre, okay?

Is there a pressure that comes with carrying Monday Night Raw every week? I know you carried us through COVID, but is it any different now? Not for myself, but there is a pressure that comes with being the champion, being the man, and having those responsibilities. My journey has prepared me for literally anything. I said that all through my career, especially when I came back to WWE and Triple H brought me back in 2017. I mentioned how instrumental he was keeping me in the company, and I said right up until I won the title the first time, there's nothing you can throw at me.

I'm so prepared. I've been through so many experiences in this industry to carry this company and the world shut down and i was the first one to have that responsibility from what i gather did a pretty decent job at it and i see some of our like newer champions the kind of deer in the headlight look when they first get that title when they realize the responsibility and it's usually that first championship run that's okay that was a lot i wasn't ready for that but the next time i'll be ready for it and some people just crumble under the pressure there's literally nothing you can throw at me i'm ready for it all i'm ready to put the company on my back i always have been and we have such a huge amount of talent now that are capable of that it's good to have so much competition like a cody

rhodes a seth rollins a roman reigns like these superstars and it's unbelievable they know this industry inside out and us competing with each other for that top spot is just good for the industry. How about Braun Strowman's back? Are you scared about all the meat that showed up there the other night? So much meat. That is a freaking monster. That is a superstar. We're WWE.

We're a variety show. We need guys. I'm a big mother trucker. But then we need those, I'm trying to use a freak show word, but those attractions. Like an Olmos or a Braun, like those guys are like, is he even the same species as me? And people say that about me.

I look at him and think that. Yeah, well, you are, every time you come out and do your shit, I literally have to say the same thing every time. Like, not all men are created fucking equal. Okay, we need to just understand that whenever we look at, and then the flames come out from there.

Oh, my gosh. Oh, what a moment there. Do you still get nerves? Do you still feel nerves whenever you go out there? Do you still get the butterflies? Butterflies, yeah. Butterflies. You get excited?

You get excited to go out? Yeah. I mean, this is all I've wanted to do. And I feel very fortunate to be able to do it. As I said, getting fired is amazing for perspective and people ask me you know how do you keep the head no matter what the situation is i always recommend get fired and i broke my neck one time with things like that i've given me such perspective that i'm appreciative of any opportunity that i get and the day i don't

have the butterflies no matter how big um you know the show is how many people are there if it's televised and not televised is the day I stopped D-Bot's got one last question for you here Drew. We appreciate you. Yeah drew as a kid I was there one match that stood out. We've been talking obviously about the superstars. Is there one match? I know we're similar age that stood out that you said, okay This is what I want to do for the rest of my life And I knew the second I saw wrestling, you know, I was gonna gonna do this There's a story I tell in my book my chosen destiny you know, I was going to kind of do this as a story. I tell in my book,

my chosen destiny available now where I guess I had a family meeting and I told the family, you know, I'm going to be WWE one day. Of course, my parents were like, sure. Cause every kid says I'm going to be an astronaut.

I'm going to be a football player in America, like a baseball player or whatever. I'm going to ride a T-Rex professionally. You grow out of it. I never, ever grew out of it. That's what I was going to do. But thinking of all the matches that struck me as a kid when I want to be like that, I want to be this good.

It was WrestleMania 13, Bret the Hitman Hart versus Stone Cold Steve Austin. Even at my age at the time, which, my goodness, I was probably not even a teenager yet, they told the perfect story. Everything was good about our industry, the physicality in the ring. But more importantly, and the biggest thing in our industry, the physicality in the ring, but more importantly, and the biggest thing in our industry is an emotional connection with our audience. That's something you can't really teach. It's something you either have or you don't have or can be developed through time. Like Pat had it instantly.

You have that it factor, you have that connection with our audience almost instantly, and that match had everything. And it struck me as a kid how good it was. And the older and more educated I got in our industry, the more I appreciated it more. It feels like our age grew up in an era where it was hard not to be just attracted to WWE and to wrestling as a whole. And some of us get to live out a dream every single day. Me, I still feel that way every time I show up in an arena. I'm like, I can't believe I get to be here.

Now, for you. You can feel that. The fans feel that. They can't necessarily articulate it all the time, but they can feel when something's real, when it's not real, which is ironic, considering how some people feel about our industry.

But they can feel when you're touching them, like this person is feeling this. They're in the moment. They're present. This is real to them. We feel that. It's real to us. Hell yeah.

You know, there was a moment that was very real just like two weeks ago. And if you ever need my mic, just go ahead, you know, just go ahead and fucking take it you know what i mean drew there's nothing i can do six five and a half 280 just starts yelling i'm like here use the microphone you start you need to do that more i was my indoor voice yeah okay yeah yeah six five and a half 280 indoor voice that's great as we wrap up this wonderful conversation with the Scottish Warrior, the last man to be the World Heavyweight

Champion has not gotten his rematch. And I believe there is a rematch clause in Championship. I don't know if it has to be more than 5 minutes and 46 seconds, though. That's not a shot. That's real. I don't know what the rules are. No, no. The rules change when it comes to Drew McIntyre, apparently. But, you know, it's a story of my life.

I just go with the flow. I keep pushing forward we know i know as i said thanks to the rocks announcement thanks to triple h thanks to nick khan and you know i'll be with wd for the future for years and years i'm excited where we're going and i'm excited to start making some heads around now i know i'm going to be here and again michael you're listening i know you're listening please correct what you're telling the world we know what's's happening with Punk, and I'm going to get my hands on that title. So, Priest, enjoy it. I said I was a transitional champion. I meant it.

This is his moment. Please enjoy that moment, Priest. You've worked a long time. You've got a very inspiring story. This is your time. Get the time in. Because when I'm taking the title, it's not going anywhere for a long time. That's El Campion, Damian Priest, who cashed in his Money in the Bank briefcase on Drew McIntyre after he was taken out by CM Punk at Wrestlemania

right on our comment deck two feet away from me it was history obviously happening Michael Cole has responded he's currently on a plane to Lyon France he's got to do some press events he said to me you're a massive prick way to defend your partner

senior citizen fuck you on a plane to France and had to watch that clip prick. Way to defend your partner. Senior citizen, fuck you. On a plane to France and had to watch that clip. My phone's blowing up. Why don't you stick up for me? Well, I want to let you know, Drew, I don't like what you said about Michael Cole, but I will say it. You know what? He didn't mention me once. No shit!

You're a Scottish boy! There's a reason. Drew, we appreciate the hell out of you, brother. It's an honor to watch you work on Mondays. Can't wait to see you next week. I appreciate you all having me, lads. I'll see you next Monday. Hopefully people learn something, especially in WWE from this interview.

Maybe they'll learn Michael Cole's a bitch, dog. There we go. Can I say bitch? Michael Cole, stop being a little bitch. I work hard for this place. Don't say that about Cole, Drew! But if you do, it's all right by me. Ladies and gentlemen, Drew McIntyre.

All right, let's get to a break. Sports are fantastic. AJ didn't have a lot of pizzazz on that, but we're lucky to talk about it every single day. The Talks table is here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. One after the hammer. Down. Cowboys turn digger.

12-year corner in the NFL. Adam Pacman Jones with a new song coming out on? 21st. Of this month called? We Want All the Smoke. Hell yes. Can't wait to hear that. Nine-year NFL vet.

Host of everything DBs. Good D, Bad D, and the NFL matchup show on ESPN, the Ocho, Darius J. Ballers. Darius J. Ballers. Huh? And ESPN and ESPN2. AJ actually, on the last draft show, he hit me up while I was airing. Like, hey, man, some good shit. So appreciate that, AJ.

Where'd you see that, AJ? I believe it was on ESPN2, and all of a sudden, D-Butt pops up. Yeah, honestly, it's very, like, insightful. You a sudden d-butt pops up yeah honestly it's very like insightful you have a lot of great information d-butt's great on there for real i text them right away it was on espn2 yeah i believe it was yeah it was on the regular you know programming 3 a.m probably yeah were you what no like it was like i don't know 6 30 p.m or something i don't know that's wow it was yeah for real we. Yeah, we like that a lot. We like that.

We're pumped about that. We're also pumped about the man that's joining us right now. He had been in the front office for the Baltimore Ravens since 1998. Now, he's the GM of the Los Angeles Chargers alongside Jim Harbaugh, the new head coach. Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Hortiz. Yay! Joe! How are you, Joe?

Doing great. Appreciate you having me on. Sorry we made you wait there. We're talking to Drew McIntyre. We're going to the bathroom. We've got a big intro. We're doing the whole thing. We appreciate you mightily for hanging out with us here for a little bit. Yeah, and then you give me the intro, the lead-in of seeing the Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl rings right before I come on. Oh, no!

Hey, that was foxy. That's Evan foxy. Yeah, right when I hit play, that's on me. I knew it was not going to be good. Yeah, we apologize. Yeah, we apologize for that. At the Ravens, obviously don't love that. And of course, at the Chargers, we don't enjoy that. But hey, the future's brand new for the Los Angeles

Chargers. Since getting there, alongside, did you know, Jim, beforehand, obviously, with John Harbaugh being there in Baltimore? What was the mindset immediately upon getting there for what the Los Angeles Chargers need to do going forward to win? My relationship with Jim actually began in 1998. He was our starting quarterback in Baltimore. He used to whip me on the racquetball court on Fridays. Him and Eric Zier pulled me in. I was the whipping boy.

You know, they played cutthroat, and they just wanted someone to give them a break. So they found the young guy, the young personnel assistant to come in and, you know, just give him a little cushion in there. But, you know, got to know him certainly through the years with John, working with John and going into Stanford at first and then Michigan, you know, on school visits. But we developed a good relationship with him,

and it's been awesome since we've been together now. I mean, the mentality is tough, physical, competitive. You know, competitors welcome, Coach always says, and that's the approach we're taking. All right, so when you draft Joe, when we're doing the so big. Yeah. Not as big as his dad. No, no.

Hey, go back to back. I want to say Jim Harbaugh is a beauty in every single situation. But as soon as you draft Joe Alt there at five, and there have been conversations, I guess, by draft experts, maybe Latham, but a lot of people were thinking offensive line. Our reaction was this. This is all we did. We just won't like this.

We just won't like this. This is exactly the first pick this new Los Angeles Chargers team was going to take was an offensive lineman. Was there ever discussion about anything else, or did you know you were going in the trenches immediately? Well, you know, we certainly talk about every player, compare every player. But, you know, we know what the mindset is we want to develop here. And getting a guy like Joe is just, I mean, you're talking about a top-level talent, athlete, competitor, great guy, culture builder. So, like, it was kind of a no-brainer pick. And there wasn't much debate about him.

And certainly, yeah, we want to get bigger, stronger, tougher. We're going to run the ball. We're going to pound on people. And he's just what you need for that. I love that. Go ahead, AJ. I believe I read somewhere where you have said that rounds like four through seven are when great teams, I guess, kind of separate themselves,

and that's when you make the most work kind of happen and you trust your scouts. What does that mean exactly, and how do you guys think you did that this year? Well, you know, I think every draft, you know, everyone has everyone rated. All teams have the same type of boards in those first three rounds. So then you get into the fourth round.

That's when you get a lot of spacing, players coming from your side boards, fifth round, sixth round. So we just kind of drill down on the players in those rounds and who's really going to help us, who are the players we really love, get together with the scouts multiple times leading up to the draft, involve the coaches in it. Coaches are scouting everyone on our front board. They're scouting players on the sideboard.

So we're getting a lot of evaluations. And then the night before those, those, that day three, you know, we get together one last time and find out who, who the players are that scouts and coaches really have passion and conviction for. And you start looking at the percentages of, you know, players that make it and don't make it. It's like, obviously it gets lower as the draft goes on, but up in the top, it's not like a guarantee either.

You need to fill your team. Cheap back there, right? Four, five, six, seven. That's small contracts for at least four years. That's a big deal, especially in the modern world with a quarterback getting paid, right? I assume that adds a little heightened intensity on it all. Yeah, you know, I mean, those top ones

you're expecting to hit on, right? First round pick, second round pick, third round pick. You're expecting to hit on, right? First-round picks, second-round picks, third-round picks, you're expecting to get players that are going to impact your team early on and start for you. The fourth, fifth-round, sixth-round players, that's where you're filling out the roster, and that's where you're looking. You're trying to find the gems, and we're excited about some of the guys we got there,

and we think they'll have a chance to help us this year. But, yeah, if you find a starter on day three or in free agency, I mean, you're gaining so much extra value from those picks. How about the Niners? They're quarterback. Yeah. They're great. Quarterback is the cheapest guy on the field.

Think about that. That is an absurd thought that it's working out. Shouts Brock Purdy. I'm sure Mr. Irrelevant this year will be Brock Purdy, too. For sure. Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen. Ty has a question for you, Joe. Joe, how much say or discussion did you guys have with Justin Herbert

when it came to the picks? Like, obviously, I don't know if you let him know you're going to get him, but then especially when it comes to, like, Ladd McConkie, is there, like, a list of receivers that he maybe said, like, hey, I really like how this guy plays, I like how this guy plays, or how does that process go said like, hey, I really like how this guy plays. I like how this guy plays. Or how does that process go with Justin knowing that he's obviously going to be you guys' guy for a long time? Yeah, you know, with Justin, we know what he's about.

He's about competing and wanting the best team around him. And, you know, he doesn't want to be a GM. He doesn't want to be a head coach. He wants to be the quarterback for the Chargers. And so we obviously know what we need to do to build a team around him. And the key is we can help the quarterback by making our defense better, you know, and getting the ball back against him. So he trusted us.

And, you know, we didn't look for a lot of input from him, but our goal was to help make the team around him better, and we think we did that. You know, he can kick field goals, too, if you need them. And punt. Yeah. Guy's a freak, dude. He really is. Watch it. I'll tell you what, out here

in our veteran minicamp and OTAs, just watching him spin the ball and heck, watching him run. He gets out there running and it's like a guy that big shouldn't be able to move the way he does but then you just watch him sit back and throw the ball. It's a thing of beauty. It's so impressive to see. So like Lamar, obviously, longtime in Baltimore,

he has an ability to avoid big hits. You know, like, that's a very important trait to have, especially if you're a runner of the ball in the NFL. Justin Herbert's big, hello, I'm in the NFL play. Is it right? And he sent the other guy out of the game. Great. Knocked him out.

Is that not the perfect guy for you and Jim Harbaugh as quarterback? 100%. Yeah, 100%. I mean, that type of mentality, toughness, physical, aggressive play, that's what we want. I love that. Number five overall pick is a pretty important one. D-Butt's got a question for you.

Yeah, we know you learned under Ozzie, and his first round pick was Jonathan Ogden, so it probably wasn't a doubt he was going to take a big boy, even though you have Slater there. But did you ever come close to trading that number five pick? Did you ever get any offers that made you think twice about it? Yeah, we did. We had a couple calls, one probably on the clock or before the clock and while we were on the clock. It was a great offer in terms of what they were offering.

They weren't trying to get up to five for cheap, but we felt where it would take us to just wouldn't put us in a range of players we really wanted to consider. So I feel like the best move was to take Joe. We were all in on Joe. Everyone loved Joe. Everyone from myself, Jim, all the scouts, all the coaches, John Spanos, we all were all in on Joe. Oh, my God.

Now the Internet is going to speculate who was trying to get to five. That's all that's about to happen. Go ahead and tell us, Joe. Well, you know, I won't tell you. But there were a lot of teams calling me before the draft, and one called me during the draft and, you know, while we were on the we just weren't willing to move hey chargers digital team let's get that shit out need it we need that we need that asap uh connor's got that was on my cell that was on my cell so you couldn't hear the recording so you got no idea oh so that's why you guys do it we saw the video

of joe douglas on his cell phone and we asked we're, is there not a phone to everybody? Why are we relying on that? Got it. And so nobody hears anything. Yeah. Oh. The behind the curtain look there, you know? Well, that's why Joe Douglas is doing it for sure. Yeah.

He's in a video in the back and they got to turn up the volume just to hear anything that he's saying in there. Good move by you, Eddie. Pretty smart. Respect. Yeah. This is like when,

this is when players are miked in NFL films. Everybody's like, oh, we're going to get everything. And then players walk right up to somebody and they're like, don't say anything. Yeah, that's exactly what you guys are doing in a war room. That's awesome to think about. Go ahead, Con Man. Yeah, Joe, D-Bud kind of just mentioned it. You already have kind of the one great left tackle that is young and coming up

and needs to be paid soon with Rashawn Slater. Obviously, Joe Walt, left tackle at Notre Dame. How do you manage who plays left, who plays right? Is there some sort of rock, paper, scissors game here? And then especially with the recent drama with guys who have played right tackle and then wanted to play left tackle, Orlando Brown actually at Baltimore. How do you kind of envision managing that type of situation if you know hopefully things play out the way they do and

they both become all pros at their position yeah you know our coaches will decide where players play the players will show where they belong to play I think the goal is to put the best five guys out there when you're talking about the offensive line and uh and we did it in Baltimore when I was there. We took Orlando. He was left tackle, put him at right, and he just wanted to play. And Joe, knowing the competitor Joe is, he's going to play wherever we put him. And same goes for the rest of the guys on our offensive line.

So we're going to put the best five out there and get after it. I forget before the draft. I'll be excited to see how that shapes out because I mean, just dogs. It's not bad to have a plethora of dogs on the offensive line, especially when he paid the quarterback and everything like that. There was a little bit of chatter. I don't remember if it was after the draft or before the draft that we didn't really think of, but when Jim was coming out talking about JJ McCarthy being the best quarterback in the draft, the best workout he's ever seen. Some people, I guess, were like, all right, prove it.

Trade us Justin Herbert, and then you guys draft J.J. McCarthy. Was there any real conversations that took place around it? Like, not from your side, but other people calling, thinking it's a potential reality? No, I can tell you this. I never got one call about it. I had some loose questions at the combine. You know, they were quickly shot down. So there was no real discussions about us ever trading Justin Herbert

or teams really being interested. They know what we have. So they knew where we stood. So there was no real questions. I know there were some rumors out there, but I don't know where they're coming from. They're not coming from the Chargers organization because none of us got calls.

That would have been awesome if your first move in there. It's like, get this guy the hell out of here. Who's the guy that everybody in our fan base loves? Who is the guy that everybody is trying to find? And how the hell do we get him out of here?

What a move. I may have been the shortest lived GM in the history of the NFL. Congratulations, you're hired up. Never mind. Okay, Hortiz, go ahead and take a fucking hike, pal. I don't think you understand what you're supposed to do here. Trying to build a team to win, you see.

That is the whole goal of this. Go ahead, Tone. Joe, you ended up taking two of them, but before the draft did Har harbaugh let you know that you have to at least take one michigan player uh off of his national championship team no you know i tell you what that he was so awesome with that he certainly loves every single one of those players for good reason one they're they're great players they're great people he won a national title with them and uh he trusted the process the stacking um i had i figured

eventually we're going to end up having a good shot to get one i didn't know who it was going to be um felt like junior might be there in the third round although it would be a long shot uh based on where everyone was uh predicting him but we were all fired up to get him and then the double down on cornelius late in the draft was a guy that's that's just big, tough, competitive, made plays for him, and it's kind of a no-brainer pick there when he's sitting on the board. Feels like the easiest way to scout him is to have the head coach recruit him in there.

He's been with him the entire time, you know, the ins and outs, and the cut of their jib. I would like to know why nobody else sang with Jim. Yeah. That's bullshit. You know... I thought we were a fucking team, Joe.

I thought we were a team. Their fight songs, it's the same flow of Auburn's fight songs. So if I would have started singing, I would have been singing Auburn's fight song. Got it. It's the same cadence. And I don't know Michigan's fight song. So, you know, but I didn't want to get involved in that.

Jesse probably could have just jumped up there and got going on that, you know. Hey, he nailed it. Jim nailed it. How about just in front of the whole room? Go blue. Go blue. At the very end, it's like, hell, here nailed it. Jim nailed it. How about just in front of the whole room? Go blue. Go blue. At the very end. And it's like, hell, here it is.

Here'll be the Chargers fight. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue.

Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue.

Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue.

Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue.

Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue.

Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. Go blue. my goodness. The champions of the West. Go blue. I was going to tell our defensive coaches.

I was going to tell them. Hey, Jim's doing some shit. It felt like a jovial room. That's good vibes. Everybody seems a little bold. We had fun in the draft. I mean, listen, we work in football. Let's have fun. That's our mentality mean, listen, we work in football. Let's have fun. That's our mentality.

Work hard, play hard, compete. But most of all, just have fun doing it. It's a grind. And if you don't enjoy what you do, maybe you should do something else. So we're having a blast out here. How many picks? We had nine. You might have drafted nine Hall of Famers.

Yep, probably. Son of one. Bingo. Like, legitimately have no idea going forward what's going to happen with him. You might have drafted nine Hall of Famers. Yep, probably. Bingo. Legitimately have no idea going forward what's going to happen with him. Could be a damn Hall of Famer on the way out there. Why not? All of them. Why not have a blast in the draft?

We got a little tired and bored towards the end of the first round. During our draft spectacular. We got a little tired, a little bummed out. But then Bill Belichick just started telling stories for 20 minutes. How much of that, how much are you dialed in to the draft in there, and how much is wasting time, passing time to see if there's any moves to be made? You know, we certainly, we have the draft on, we're watching it, you know, but you're really just kind of, when you pick at five,

you start thinking, okay, as the players come off, you know, what's the strategy, who's going to be there? And you just kind of watch as it unfolds. Once you get into day two and day three, you're going to go deeper in terms of your picks and your stacks. So you're kind of following strategy, kind of anticipating who's going to be available, what position runs are going. This group eventually is going to quit picking wideouts or DBs or whatever it is, and this is the stack we're going to probably be picking from. So a little bit of strategy, a little conversation.

Like I said, Jim and I are talking. John Spanos and I are talking the whole time. What are we thinking here? So more focused than you think, but still having fun. Does Jim just start lifting in the middle of it, just take his shirt off? Just start lifting in the middle of it? Does he have cleats on during the draft? He does not have cleats on during the draft.

No, that's only in the draft. Okay, good. Yeah, because we couldn't see the bottom with the way they cut the camera. We were wondering, is there cleats down? We're clacking around the room. Hail to the victory. Go ahead, AJ. We mentioned how you want to have you know tough competitive gritty smart players

I would assume if you talk to any GM around the league they they would have a similar thing how do you make sure that you're actually doing that you're actually bringing the right type of people and we know Jim's going to bring that culture with him but how do you kind of yeah that's what we all want but how do you guys make sure that that's who you're bringing in yeah you know you when you watch the film on a player, you see it, you see the physicality they play with, you know, the finish they play with AJ late in the game. Are they still competing? If they're up 40, down 40, things like that, you know, and then you go to practice, what's their practice tempo like? Are scouts pay attention out of practice? Are they, are they going hard during practice? And a lot of it comes from the support staff. You know, what they say

the players like off the field, in the weight room, is mentality. So you kind of put it all together to paint the picture. But certainly the film's going to tell you the initial story, and it's going to validate what you're hearing off the field or contradict it. When you do, like, combine and all those sit-down interviews, is it all bullshit now because everybody's kind of prepped with everything that could potentially happen? Do you feel that way? And is the visit the most interviews? Is it all bullshit now because everybody's kind of prepped with everything that could potentially happen?

Do you feel that way? And is the visit the most important part of it all? You know, you can take advantage of the combine visit still. I think we don't try to ask them canned questions so we don't get canned answers. I think a lot of it is just to let the player be himself in the room and kind of identify, you know, we watch a lot of film with him, you know, and talk ball and talk, you know, talk about him as a person.

But it's really to try to get them to show us who they are. We're not really looking to ask them the canned questions and where they're from and, you know, things that they can prepare for. We just want them to be themselves and kind of show us who they are. It's more of them talking and, you know, the questions are more ball related. So we kind of get a scope of their knowledge of where they're coming from and what we think they can do. Do you find yourself getting distracted by the awesomeness of Jim Harbaugh? I tell you what, you walk in the room, you feel it, don't you? I mean,

there's an incredible amount of energy with him. It's awesome. I really do. I mean, I feel blessed. I work for a great organization. First time GM, get hired by the Spanos family, and then Jim Harbaugh is my head coach, and Justin Herbert's our quarterback. Man, I really feel lucky and blessed. I really do. It's really a perfect

thing to walk into. Anytime I've been around him, it's hard not to just walk. Everything he does, that's entertaining. Yeah, at the annual around him, it's hard not to just walk. Everything he does, that's entertaining. Yeah, at the annual league meeting, he tackled me in the hallway to explain why he thinks the hip drop tackle

should be out of the game. You know, I'm like, Coach, we like physical football. We want to keep football football. We're banning the hip drop tackle. He's like, we're not banning tackling. Okay, we're banning the hip drop tackle. And then he grabs me

and then does a hip drop tackle to me. He's like, we're trying to get rid of this. This is what we're getting rid of. And it's just like, this man's energy is phenomenal all the time. Seemingly what a weapon. He's a fucking weapon. Joe. It is.

He is. He is. I mean, he walks in the room, lights it up, man. And like you talk about the, uh, the combine interviews, you know, the script and everyone canned and, you know, everyone's prepared. They're not prepared to walk in with the coach, man. Like you walk in there, the energy is just elite. And so that's what it does.

It pulls it out from the player. So you see the guys that can keep up with coach, you know, and have that same energy. So it's he's special. Now, he's a unique, unique, unique coach who brings energy, charisma, passion, knowledge of the game, experience at the level. So it all comes out. It's awesome. And he wins.

That's what he does. He literally wins. He wins everywhere. That's why he wins, you know. He's proven it over and over. I think his dad said, if my kid's quirky, is how you want to describe it, I hope that I'm quirky as well. Because his players love him.

They work hard for him. They win. They show up at every stage. It's like, yup, yup, yup, yup. Literally, everything about him screams winning all the time. He's a reigning national champion. Yep. I mean, and then he got a tattoo.

Yes, he did. Awesome. He got it. The most Jim Harbaugh tattoo of all time. Oh, yeah. We don't need any pizzazz here. Yeah, no flair. Just 15-0. That is all we need in this

entire thing. Yeah, absolutely. Pac-Man's got a question for you, Joe. Joe, we know Jim's going to run the ball. He went and got the big guy up front. Deep running back room, but you got rid of two veteran wide receivers. Are you good with the receivers you got with the younger guys? Are you looking at bringing in a veteran?

How do you feel in the receiver room? Yeah, Pac-Man, you know what? I think you're always looking to add players at all positions. But in terms of our room, you know, really excited about Josh and Q and D.D. walking in the building. And Simi, you know, we know there's some young talent here. And then being able to add the three players we added, really excited. And I feel like it's going to be competitive,

and there's going to be some playmakers out there and some speed and size. And then, sure, you know, you're always looking outside. How can we continue to improve? So keep an eye on the market and keep an eye on the players out there. Did you call him DD? What's that? It's called Lad DD. No, that's Lad.

No, I'm talking about the guys that were here before we had the draft. I was about to say, because two D's on that name does. Was that Darius Davis from TCU? Yeah, DD. Oh, okay. Yeah, DD. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I was talking about Darius Davis. YeahCU? Yeah, D.D. Oh, okay, yeah, D.D., yeah. Okay, yeah. I was talking about Darius Davis. Yeah, okay, got it, yeah, because I thought, I was like, does Ladd go by D.D.?

I already got it. That's not great. I actually think Ladd's given name may be Andrew. It is. It is, right? Yeah. Ladd is Midland. Yeah, so my 11-year-old move hits me up with the text you know julian my youngest

and he's like dad what i'm confused here because on the on the uh draft tracker it says andrew mcconkey i'm like well he goes by lad you know so it didn't make sense to him he's like do we pick the wrong guy you know no i just put that up well there's been like an email issue or a fax issue in the past when it comes to trades or moves. If you were to draft the wrong person in 2024, that would be awesome. You're talking about trading Justin Herbert.

What did you see in Ladd? Obviously, 4-3-9, the guy's a winner. I think when we did game day, he gave tickets to a kid. He's a hero down there in Athens, obviously. What did you see in him, and did you think he was going to be around in the second round? So we thought he could go towards the end of the first. We did.

We were hoping he'd be around in the second. That's obviously one of the reasons we traded up for him. We were worried about, hey, let's not let him get away from us, and it didn't cost us much. But in terms of a player you know he's versatile certainly plays inside and outside um just such a great feel for the game and spatial awareness um and then you add the explosive element of his speed on top of it you know it's it's it's really a dynamic combination of things and great after the catch tough competitive you love the

story walk on you know former walk on just earned reps with a bunch of good players on that roster and uh no coaches that coached him that are no longer there they talk about how great of a player he was when they went they had all that talent around them and they couldn't keep them off the field and i have a good relationship with uh kirby and on auburn right there cooking auburn i know i know i know it happens at times you know we're gonna we're gonna turn it around down there, you know. He was going to flip the script. Jeez.

He likes that route. Double move. He's giving you double moves. He is. You guys are showing he's so sudden and explosive and such a great route runner. So just knows how to get open, knows how to do something after the catch.

4-3-9 there for him. Did you think about drafting Cooper Dejean, too, just to do the unicorn tag team there? Best player available. Yeah, yeah, amen. All right, hey, coach. Sorry, I don't want to call you coach. Nobody would say GM either, though.

No. Sir, maybe? Let's call you Joe. Yeah, you can call me Joe. You get called coach every once in a while, because you know you're right. They're not going to call in a while. You know, people, because you know what, you're right. They're not going to call you GM. So, Joe, is that the proper?

Yeah, I guess, yeah. I've been calling you Joe the whole damn time, so I hope it's not disrespectful. I mean, Joe with a G. Oh, like go? Oh, yeah, I guess that changes it to go. Be the English language. Yeah, whoops. That's on us.

Anyways, we appreciate you joining us man thank you for taking so much time absolutely appreciate you guys having me on what do we got right now what's going on obviously otas are taking place and then we got yeah otas right now and then i'm gonna i'm gonna head on home uh to baltimore to go see my family they're still out there so hold on hold on jim's in an rv i heard you're in a interesting living predicament as well right now yeah yeah so i live with uh it caught the local media off guard when i said i live with uh chad alexander our assistant gm and cory crawl with our uh director of strategy who i brought over from baltimore so you know i got i got a three-bedroom house that's big enough for

my family when they come out to visit. But, you know, I told them, like, listen, I'm going to have this house. We're going to be moving up to El Segundo in June. So if you guys want to just crash at the place when my family's not here, you're welcome to. So they stay at the house, and they each have their own room. Corey's got to sleep on a little day bed with a trundle, so he kind of gets the short end of the stick. Director of strategy, maybe one day you'll get an assistant GM or GM title, pal. Yeah, we get it.

That's amazing. Sounds like you guys are like a college atmosphere over there. Sweet. It is. Yeah, it is. You got Jim and G-Ro living. They were living across from each other in their RVs, and we got a bunch of roommates here in the house.

General manager. Living with the assistant. G-Ro's back. Greg Roman. I mean, that video of them in their RV talking about how nice this is. Winter rain, sleeping at night.

It's best sleep ever, said Jim Harbaugh. It's a wonderful program you guys are seemingly building over there, and we appreciate the hell out of you, Joe. I appreciate you guys. Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Horty. Yay! Joe!

He even had similar cadence to Jim when he was talking. A couple different times, it's like, oh, that sounds like a Jim Harbaugh bar there. What a perfect... Awesome. I met him in 1998 playing racquetball. Yeah, he needed to beat somebody's ass real quick. I was the young guy they put in there.

And now they're being tasked with making sure that Justin Herbert, the Lambo, the Ferrari that he is, gets to the place that he's supposed to. That's obviously a tall task, but it feels like over there, they got enough experience. And I love the moxie coming out of that building everywhere, AJ. Yeah, I was unaware that he had two roommates. So that would be just watching them interact. Hey, you guys, what do you want for door?

Like thinking, hey, what do you want for DoorDash tonight? Like just all the little things would be fun to see how they work everything out. Putting something back into the fridge that maybe only has a little bit left. Who's the asshole? Oh, they had a big director of strategy. Putting your name on it. Putting your name on stuff like on different milk. Like, this is mine. Don't touch this.

You think they had a mock draft board in the house? Oh, yeah. It's on the fridge. I bet you there was something like a magnet. Each time you go to the fridge, you got to put the next pick of the draft in there. All right, let's get out of here. Any brews in it? Definitely.

Oh, yeah. Joe Ortiz had a brew. For sure. Yeah. Work hard, play hard, he said. What a team. Yeah, they could be pretty sweet this year. They got a lot to figure out, though.

They got a lot to figure out roster-wise, salary cap-wise. Lost some shit. Changed the culture. Got Justin Herbert. That's the... Exactly. That's the big fish. You got to have a quarterback.

They did bring in the entire Ravens running back room. Yep. Gus Edwards and J.K. Dobbins. Very good. Could you imagine them trading away Justin Herbert? To New England? There's not a world where. That was just awesome to think about when that came out.

Yeah. Oh, Jim, is that right, huh? Best you ever seen? Hmm. Okay, sweet. How about three ones? Do it. For Justin Herbert. How about it?? Do it. For Justin Herbert.

How about it? How about it? Joe said nobody called. Nobody. There was a couple passing conversations he said at the combine. That could have been 2 a.m. Yeah. It could have been 2 a.m., 3 a.m., depending upon where it is.

Five, though. Yeah, I mean, they were never trained. So what we just heard is they were never trained. Jim was working. Yeah, never. Jim was working. And they were taking all. Let's get JJ up to four. Yeah. Let's get JJ up to four.

Yeah. Let's get JJ up to four. I feel like he was under close to getting out of five. He said the offer was really good. He said the offer was. What's a really good offer for five, do you think? I wouldn't expect you to have a five. Future one.

He said it went too far back. Yeah, it has to be in that top seven. If it was a really good offer, because that means they were still going to have a top six. So like Giants maybe? Shefty was pounding the drum that the Giants almost went up to three to get Chabal. But he said he didn't think their

players that he liked would be there if he made the trade. So how far back is that? Maybe it was like the Vikings trying to move up to five as opposed to ten. Or Pennix. Yeah, or Pennix. Depending upon who they were. Atlanta could have tried moving up, yeah. I was going to ask him. I said, wait, was Atlanta trying to get up to the Pennix. Yeah, or Pennix. Depending upon who they were. Atlanta could have tried moving up, yeah. I was going to ask him.

I said, wait, was Atlanta trying to get up for Pennix? Is that what I thought? They didn't want to put him into this. Yeah, Poles was sitting there right there at 9-2 to ask him about Atlanta. Couldn't do it. Or the Raiders. Didn't they like Pennix? Yeah.

Oh, could have been the Raiders trying to make a little move there. Telesco calling his own team? Yeah, that's probably why he didn't call. I bet Joe picked up like, hey, you fucked me. I've been over the South. Since I got here, shut up. Bang. On his cell phone.

Oh, yeah, sorry, sorry. You're right. It would have been like this. The vet savvy move of the cell phone we've learned today. Okay, so that's the play. That's why any of these videos we see, they are trying not to be heard. We'll end today's show with the video of Joe Douglas. But before we get to that, I think we need to do a giveaway.

You know, on this Wednesday giveaway with Pac-Man Jones in the building. Pac-Man, what do you want to do, pal? Is your mic off? He's giving some good thoughts. I was looking this way. Did you give an answer? Dramatic. We got basketball tonight.

Okay. All right. Here we go. Where do you want to shoot from? Even from the corner. You haven't hit it. What are we giving away? Like UFC gloves?

Yeah. Signed. That's it. Well, those are sweet. Next question. I mean, yeah. We'll give away some signed UFC gloves from us. They are really cool.

Us. We will. We'll sign them. Oh, even better. Also, there's a Paul Ske away some signed UFC gloves from us. They are really cool. Us, we will. We'll sign them. Oh, even better. Also, there's a Paul Skeens. No, I'm joking. You can maybe throw in the limited edition UFC 300 hat as well. Oh.

There we go. Maybe a seven and a half young box ball cap. Okay. Maybe some dude wipes. We've got a couple of boxes. Shout out to dude wipes, by the way. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice that might change their life, just like our friends at dude wipes. We got a couple boxes. Shout out to dude wipes, by the way. Let me sign this. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice that might change their life, just like our friends at dude wipes.

Go ahead and get a portable bidet with our friends at dude wipes. One per flush. Just one. Is that the thing? That's all you need. You only need one. Got it, dude. I'm sorry.

Sorry. I got it. Closing out and using it again. I got to use the Kaboli method. Maybe start eating healthier. Okay? If you need to use two dude wipes to wipe your ass after spraying.

Dry wet to dry. That's all you need. That's it. Alright, Pac-Man Jones. To win 20 people, $500. Nah, the gloves. 20 people? Gloves are pretty cool.

We have 20 sets of the UFC gloves? I think so. I'm pretty sure we do. 20 people, $500. The whole company is getting about sick of giving money to other people. I'm actually fucking done with it. I'm not sick of it. I'm fucking done with it. Thank you. Everybody's very thankful.

They're very thankful. So am I. People don't... Never mind. All 20 are real individuals too I bet Do we have any tickets to the Indy 500 or are they all sold out? Sold out, well they're not sold out That's why we won't be able to watch locally

They have that old dumb blackout rule Like they used to have in football Yep they do We could maybe Save a seat on that 757 Yeah maybe One of the first class ones? One of the middle seats.

Middle seat. No, the leaders, the ones that are asking for water, they're in the first class. Obviously, they got to be closest to the pilot. The leaders, yeah. Smartest people on earth at those schools, AJ. Smartest people.

It is. What a wild time to be alive. Yeah, they got a real grasp of life too, the way they're talking, the smartest people. All right. Let's move along. Let's move along. Let's move along.

We don't need to do this. All right. 20 people, $500. What are we doing? You tell me. Are you shooting from the corner? If it's just an NBA 3, I want to let you know, we only have two shots at this thing. Okay.

Only have two shots from the corner. 20 people, $500. Adam Pacman Jones. New song coming out on the 21st of this month. If he makes this. Oh, that was good. That looked good. Looked in rhythm, too.

Still got it. He ran a 4-6. 5-1. 4-5-1. 4-5-1 just a year ago. Huh? All right. If you want to redo that, look it up someday.

Pulled your hamstring. Give away of UFC gloves. Adam Pac-Man Jones from the corner. If he Ray Allens 20 people, win $500 with Mitt in the room behind him. Nope. Oh, shit. All right, I think 20 people owe us $500. Okay.

Because he hits the backboard. So if you're going to pay that, go ahead and tweet us. Hey, that was good work. Hey, Pat, that was good work. Thanks, Pat. You got robbed in the first one. Yeah. What happened?

What happened? I'm thinking like. What's going on? I'm thinking it was high school basketball games when somebody would huck up one off the fucking side of the backboard from the corner. Oh, my God. The rude things that were said to people. Back in those days.

That student section is coming after you. Oh, my. That's actually exactly how the WNBA finals ended, if I recall. Really? Left corner. D-Bot. Wide open. I mean, what?

D-Bot. Wide open. Side of the fucking glass. Why are you bringing this up? I'm sorry. There's pressure. It happens sometimes. She jumps off.

Game was already over. Game was already over. Now, the WNBA ball is smaller than the NBA ball. Correct. Which makes... Why would that happen? We've already win that one today. Yeah.

Oh! If this goes in, everybody's going to get on the same page about everything. All right. Perfect. And everybody goals. Great news. And everybody goals.

Come on. Come on. It's a big shot right here. The way to the world on W ball. Truly. Sure you want to shoot it with that ball? It's smaller, so there's a bigger hoop. Yep.

Which, why? I don't know. Everybody's smaller, so there's a bigger hoop. Yep. Which, why? I don't know. Everybody's going to come together and agree on everything. That's right. This ball comes together. All right. Come on, pass. Yay!

We did it. There we go. Never a doubt. Look at you. All over. Biggest shot in the history of shots. Holy fuck. No more war.

Oh, we said we want to be a unifier. Yep. That's what we want. We want to be a unifier. Yep. We want to be a unifier. And the universe said, you got it. I just got a breaking ceasefire. Ukraine, Russia. As we speak.

Oh, okay. Here we go. Just happened as you hit that. Holy shit, it's all happening. That's what we're talking about. Whole world agrees on everything. Boom. That's what we're here for.

Ah, it's fake. Oh, shit. Boner Garage. You can't be taking Boner Garage's updates on world stuff. But the ball just told us everything's going to be okay. Boner Garage. You can't be taking Boner Garage's updates on world stuff, but the ball just told us everything's going to be okay. And that's what I'm talking about. Hey, good for everybody. Good for everybody. Big thanks

to Joe Hortiz for coming on. Drew McIntyre, Ryan Poles, Kachuck, Kachucky Cheese, stopping by. It was a hell of a Wednesday. We can't wait for tomorrow. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. Pac-Man, hey, let's go. Let's go.

Let's go. 21st, we want all the smoke coming out. Can't wait to hear it. D-Butch, great work this week. Tone, phenomenal job doing what you do. Thank you, brother. Toxic Table, way to go, boys. Thank you. You too, Pac.

Connor, you're as smart as that fucking dolphin today. I'll tell you what. I mean, that shirt hasn't been really mentioned yet. That's one of the best shirts I think that has graced this stage. Yeah, Richard Jewell got framed at Centennial Park. There's a bomb in Centennial Park. He's trying to save the world,

but it's from Abercrombie & Fitch. I'm going to have to stop in. It's supposed to be an oversized shirt. Really? Yep. Oh, it's the foxy mannequins that they make it for. Bingo. This kind of took me back to high school

where my legs didn't fit in any Abercrombie & Fitch or Hollister pants. My ass wouldn't fit. Just couldn't do it. Everybody looked so cool as they smelled ridiculous wearing those fucking pants and I couldn't do it. So I get in there and they got these oversized shirts. I'm like, that's a sweet shirt. Look at that thing.

I put it on. Just fit like a regular shirt. I'm like, well, I wish they would have had some oversized shit back in the day. Which they do with pants. They fit me like a slim fit. Look like parachute pants on fucking Foxy. He's bought the whole entire store, I do believe. Yeah, we're back in 2002 now, boys.

Abercrombie & Fitch has done it. That's not A&S, brother. 2002 no this is a completely new company it's a whole new company in there you got they got nascar shit yeah this shit they got really i've never i've been in there if you went to a and f in 2002 you had to wear four polos and they all had to have their collars well ever since i can remember i've been I've been popping my collar. Popping, popping my collar. It does look cool when you fucking pop that. Oh, yeah.

There's assholes still wearing two or three. Yeah, they wear short shirts under the long sleeve shirt. Your collar's up right now. You're like a fucking asshole. Your collar's up right now. This is a zip. This is a corded zip. You got a polo on with it.

Come on, man. What about three of them? People used to wear three polos. All three collars popped at the same damn time. And they wore short-sleeved shirts under the long-sleeved shirts under the short-sleeved shirts. Yep. Don't worry. What do you know about that?

Me and you ordered a lot of cool shirts and stuff today. We did. My fellow Sunday Red, Mark. That's not how you say it. It was sold out. Sunday Red. Thank you. Available at 6 a.m. this morning. And no longer. Sold out.

It's gone. There's some stuff left. That's why he needed to make the cut at the Masters. You have to take a loan out to afford any of that shit. Is it crazy? I just saw basically a white tee for $90. I said, alright, I don't know if I'm going to be enjoying any Sunday red here.

It's like $150 for a hoodie. It's worth it. It's fucking Eldrick. Yeah, that's everything. It's like Lulu. Yeah, it's like Lulu. Inflation, bro. I love Ty, but he shot like 18 over on Sunday at the Masters this year.

I don't know if I'm spending $150. Guy's playing on half a leg. All he was trying to do was get to the weekend so that he could wear his Sunday red on Sunday. Everybody's wondering, why didn't he play good? He was more worried about Neil Shipley. Look at that 3D knit polo.

It's knit. $150. Jesus Christ. No one's going to buy that. Tiger knitted it himself. We think Tiger was dropping it, going knitted it himself. That's why it's... You think Tiger was dropping it going to TJ Maxx? That's a good point, D-Buck.

I like the t-shirt. I can do 90 for a dry fit polo. 3D knit mock? What's that? T-shirt? $150? That's what I'm saying. Those are nice, but... I would spend $175 on the Cypress Tunnel camo polo. Yeah, there's a camo one up here, too.

The Tiger camo polo on the right. Yeah, that's $175. That's coming home to me. Yeah, that's cool. So is the Cypress Stripe polo for somehow only $135 versus the camo polo? I mean, that 3D knit polo, though, is... Come on, Tyg. What?

To die for? That's ridiculous. What are you... Hey, Tiger should be... Come on, Tig. What? To die for. That's ridiculous. Hey, Tiger should be trying to grow the game. This is not growing the game. What if the logo is right on the back? Hey! It doesn't even have a logo. Yeah, it does.

Hey! What? What side are you on? I love Tiger Woods, but we need to grow the game of golf because the game of golf is awesome. This is doing the complete opposite of that. Oh, you're telling me Tiger didn't grow the game of golf? What about the hunt? That's my point.

That's when you're in the hunt. You put on a 70. All right, let's stop looking at the website. We love Sun. Day. Red. We would like to support Tiger, even though he's already a billionaire. We would like to support Tiger for everything he's done for sport.

We do appreciate that. Speaking of sport, we'll be back tomorrow talking about more of them. NBA playoffs, NHL happening, obviously. We'll chit-chat about that. Any other bullshit that takes place in the sports world or the actual world, we'll also talk about. Nobody's given us enough credit for the 757, but hopefully others will lead from the front.

And as we close out here, here's an inside look at the war room for the New York Jets as they continue to try to work the phones and see if they can do anything we'll see you tomorrow, be a friend tell a friend something nice, it might change their life we're in this thing together, and if the universe ball tells us anything, everybody's about to agree with each other

too, that's beautiful news team on me, team on three one, two, three, team, goodbye