The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 114 - Bleacher Report Workhorse, Adam Lefkoe, Joins Us For NFL Chatter & Some Incredible Stories

Episode Date: October 8, 2019

On today’s show, Pat is joined by friend of the show, Bleacher Report OG, and host of the Lefkoe Show, Adam Lefkoe (@AdamLefkoe), live in New York City. They discuss everything that happened in week 5 of the NFL season, including how horrible Alberto Riveron and the rest of the refs have been, which teams are real and which teams are pretenders, what the issues are with the current media landscape, how excessive the overreactions facing certain teams are, who the best punter of all-time is, and what their ideal game shows to commentate would be. Lefkoe also tells people why they should like Chris Simms, despite what the most people may think about him without being familiar with his work, they challenge each other to a weight loss competition over the next few weeks, and tell a few stories (00:59-01:13:09). It’s a good one, come and laugh with us. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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They're the absolute fucking best. What do you think about calling a game? The lifestyle. Good? Hello. It is Tuesday, October 8th, 2019. The man who just asked the question there is of Bleacher Report fame. He is not only

an incredibly talented interviewer and an incredibly talented internet human, he's also a good human as well. Works for Bleacher Report, ladies and gentlemen, Adam Lefkoe. Atta boy, Adam! I feel blessed to be here at One World Trade. We're at Four World Trade.

Oh, that's right. Ty Schmidt told Lefkoe to go to One World Trade. We're at Four World Trade. Oh, that's right. Ty, where are we? Ty Schmidt told Lefkoe to go to One World Trade, which is a couple buildings over. If you do some quick math, there's four different buildings. One is the big one. Four is the little offspring here. Still a beautiful building and lucky to have you here. I think people at One World Trade thought I was coming to ransack the building because

they were like, sir, what are you doing here? And like four people came around and I'm like DMing Ty, save me, and he just, you know, big time. We were live on the air. We were live on radio. And it was overreaction Monday. It was a big day for us. So I'm overreacting.

No, no, no. No, your reaction is proper. Because if you get in the wrong fucking building here at World Trade, you will get your ass carted out of here quickly. I mean, there were 17 people touching their ears. Hell yeah. What the fuck is this guy? mean, there were 17 people touching their ears. Hell yeah! Well, by the way, something pretty big. In my defense, we are supposed to be

at One World Trade. We are supposed to have a studio in One World Trade. That's not for another two months. That was decided not done yet. But anyways, I was excited to have you on live radio. We were kind of pushing, like, delaying things, waiting for you to get here. You were in the wrong building.

Not your fault. Ty's fault. Yeah, it was my fault. But once you walked in here, you said something to me that was really a mind blower. Ooh. And I think I might be in the majority here. I automatically assumed I was supposed to hate Chris Simms, right? Yeah, absolutely.

I was supposed to hate Chris Simms. He's this guy whose dad was very good at quarterback. Him, not so much. Played in the NFL. Not easy to play in the NFL. Got to the NFL as a quarterback. Not easy to do that. Never really did anything notable.

When he's on TV, seems as if he does okay. He was a host with you there for a little bit. We did a show. So I said to you, verbatim, why am I not supposed to hate Chris Simms? And you said. Well, I know that you're a salt of the earth, hard worker, and I would put his work ethic up against anybody. And that kind of shook you to your core a little bit. It did.

Because I automatically assumed the white privilege of Chris Sims, his dad privilege of Chris Sims will get him every single job. And we won't talk about Chris Sims this whole time. But whenever we were off the air, that was the biggest mind blower that I've ever had in my life. Very much so. I'm supposed to like this guy, and it makes sense. If he's a hard worker, I respect the hell out of him.

When he first came to Bleacher Report, his agent pushes people around. And we heard, oh, he only wants to work three days a week. And I was going to anybody that would listen, going, if this guy's going to come in here, and then this is a cakewalk, I can curse, right? Yes. I was like, I'm not playing this shit. I'll wear this dude down. I do not like watching TV, and I'm sure you're around them all the time with analysts that just,

they go up there and they go, I know this cause I know football. It's the worst. You have no proprietary value. And then he came in and he has notebooks filled of notes for every game of film he watches. He watches every single one. And so for years we would be yelling in the darkness where he would have opinions that would be right five weeks one. And so for years we would be yelling in the darkness where he would have opinions that would be right five weeks later. And people would be on TV going like, no one's saying this. And we're like, he's saying it every fucking week. But all the reactions on every piece of social we put out was you're a spoiled brat. You only have this job because of your dad. And it fueled him in a way. And so then I turned and I was like, screw everybody.

And so trust me, he grinds. But I watch him with other people and I go, oh, he wants to call this dude out right now. And he can't because now he's on NBC, not Bleacher Report. Yeah, because now he's a TV guy. People don't respect the internet grinding. No. I think that's why I learned why I went to Barstool. It's like the internet doesn't stop. No. I think that's why I learned when I went to Barstool. It's like the internet doesn't stop.

No. I had no idea that my schedule was about to become much more active than it has ever been in my life. You guys are grinding

so hard right now. Well, that's what we've got to do on the internet. Yes. And I think that is something that I've been so impressed with you. Lefkoe, you're everywhere

on Bleacher Report. Literally everywhere. Well, I have ownership stake. I'm just kidding. But, well, shit, man, when I got there six years ago, I have ownership stake. I'm just kidding. But, uh, for, well, shit, man, when I got there six years ago, I was doing 30 videos a day, staring into a camera, interviewing beat reporters. I'd be like, all right, now we have the top three reasons the giants are going to have a great year next year. Let's talk to the Bergen County register. And I

would just sit there and nod my head and then be like, all right, we have Tampa Bay Gazette up next. I'd be like, all right. And so you just grind. Because there is no, there is like, you do a game, and then everyone's like, let's go get a beer. Let's get out of here. That's what everybody else does. And you guys are like, we have three shows tomorrow. We have to figure out what our content's going to be for Instagram, Instagram story, Twitter, YouTube. It doesn't stop. Well, we're on a plane immediately after every single game. The celebratory situations I never get to have, which is interesting. Because I think there are people that celebrate after shows. Get up.

I assume there's like a little, at least a conversation afterwards. Yeah, or a bagel. Hey, good show, guys. Maybe for this show they're supposed to be one of those. Maybe for those games they're supposed to be. We just, we're on to the next one. There's no celebrating. It's better for your mystique.

That's when you see the human fallibility of people Is at those after parties And Adam Amin starts really sharing how he feels About politics and you're like I gotta get the fuck out of here You guys let me fucking talk just a little bit more I think this show would be a lot better You thought the Colts offensive line was a wall

I got a little problem You're like alright guy Now I've been described as an enigma to a lot of these TV people. Well, because you walk in. I watch you in the kitchen. You pace around. You bite the end of a croissant. You look at somebody and you go, I think you're wrong.

And then you leave. And then they go, wow, this guy, he just speaks the way it is. It's like, no, he's just got ADD and he's really quick. That is about spot on. But I have to keep moving because if not, I'll fall asleep. I, and he's really quick. That is about spot on. But I have to keep moving because if not, I'll fall asleep. I get it. I get it. Let's talk about it.

You're in DAZN, some would say. I am in DAZN. I have to be for the next at least 13 weeks I'm in DAZN. I am in. And I've enjoyed our relationship with DAZN. I've enjoyed our relationship with Westwood One. Us getting on the air every day has been a question mark on the radio side, so that's been a little bit difficult. But I've enjoyed this fall thus far. And I've enjoyed this relationship with Westwood One. Us getting on the air every day has been a question mark on the radio side, so that's been a little bit difficult.

But I've enjoyed this fall thus far, and I've enjoyed this NFL season thus far. What a weekend of football it was yesterday. You're a big-time Quentin Nelson guy. I did this entire run on Get Up and on my show today that Quentin Nelson, when he was picked sixth overall to the Indianapolis Colts, not only did he bring an attitude to the Indianapolis Colts, not only did he bring an attitude to the Indianapolis Colts, not only did he bring an entire new mindset, but he has set the tone for the entire locker room as a first-round draft pick,

and everybody has to rise up. Anthony Costanzo has had to change his game so he could fit in with Quentin Nelson, who's eight years younger than him. Quentin Nelson has set a tone for that entire Colts offense and the entire Colts team that everybody else rises to, and that team is built for the long haul. That offensive line winning in the trenches is how you win in December. That's how you win in January, and that team is tough.

That team is gritty, and Jacoby Brissett can make every play, and I said it yesterday a couple times. A lot of people have been coming after me. Yes, I know everything runs through the Patriots because Tom Brady's still alive. Yes, I know the Chiefs are going to be good if Patrick Mahomes doesn't get his shit stomped. I mean, he's two stomps away from being out for the rest of the year. And I've talked about this. Mahomes is an electrifying player, highlight reel player. His highlight reel is going to be a three-hour fucking motion picture by Scorsese whenever he's

done with this thing because all he does is make highlight plays. But the way he plays is potential injury prone. This Colts team is built for the long haul and for success, and it all revolves around your guy, Quentin Nelson. It's funny because I think about when he was drafted, all the mock drafts had the Colts taking either Roquan Smith or Tremaine Edmonds, both really good linebackers. Now you have Darius Leonard, who hasn't played for the last few weeks, but Quentin Nelson, to what you're saying, is an identity changer because when your first round pick is as humble and as hardworking as that nobody has a fucking excuse.

Because he's the one that can go, I got the bags right now. It's the war face paint. It's the fact that He sprints down the field after every single play. He's the first guy. He's the only guy often times that is picking up receivers and running backs. Naeem Hines has that one play where he spins a guy. He's the only guy, oftentimes, that is picking up receivers and running backs. Naeem Hines has that one play where he spins a guy.

He's the only one there. Also, they love each other. That offensive line group, I've never seen one like this. If I had to cross the wall and fight White Walkers, I'm bringing the Colts offensive line. And they're so good. And Jacoby makes all of the necessary plays. He doesn't do anything more, doesn't do anything less. Since Frank Wright comes from that Andy Reid system, he

loves two tight ends, so you're always worried about the run. Play action is cake. And you just beat the Chiefs without Darius Leonard, without Malik Hooker, without... And you held them under 15 points. Yes. That's fucking crazy.

Four field goals, too, which probably could have been punched in if you had to make a couple plays. I see why he isn't suffering from a strained quad. He's probably getting open a little bit more because he was double-covered the entire time. The humility of that Colts team is beautiful. And a lot of people are coming after me on the internet for saying, I think this Colts team can win. I think they can win the Super Bowl. Because they lost to the Raiders last week, right? Yes.

The Raiders get this big win over the Bears. The Bears stink, by the way, Zeno. Come on. The Bears stink. They were jet lagged. We all know it. It's tough going to England and playing. I will agree with that.

It's tough changing your routine going to England and playing. That can be difficult. But they're a young team. James Daniels, better than Mitchell Trubisky. Remember that last week? We were ringing that bell pretty hard. I said it. Don't shit his pants on a national stage.

Oh, international. Yeah, true, true, true. But Mitchell Trubisky also. Yeah, he stinks too. Easy, Ty. He does. They're potentially wasting that Bears defense, which didn't show up in England.

That's neither here nor there. I think Jacoby Brissett can make every throw. I think Jacoby Brissett can check into the things that he wants to do. And I think the entire, including Jacoby, has the same mindset of Quentin Nelson, where Andrew Luck might have been a little bit nicer. He's a little bit nerdier. Incredible football player. Tough to relate with everybody.

But this is just, you know, he's a much different guy. Jacoby Brissett wears the run-the-damn-ball hat. He'll drop a shit or a fuck in a press conference interview. Ryan Kelly does the same thing now. Quentin Nelson-Costanzo do the thing. It's almost like they're just taking this identity of, like, everybody has picked against us as soon as Andrew Luck retired. Everybody's booing.

The fans that were booing, right? The Colts Nation is disgusting. Look at the way they treated Andrew. They got no shot. They lost him. Yeah, come on. I mean, these people just... Look, I'm from Philadelphia. I've heard that shit my whole life. These people... People that sit at home and they're having a glass of water

and they're judging people that are actually at the stadium. Fourth quarter of a preseason game. Those are the craziest people of all time. Fourth quarter of a preseason game. I didn't even want to be at preseason games. I played. Also, also, what's a sound you can make if you're upset but you don't want to be an asshole? There isn't one. It doesn't exist.

We go out clapping. Like, last night, Justin Houston got a sack. And Chiefs fans, they went, Justin Houston with the sack. And Chiefs fans went, oh. We should have paid him. Because they were like, I'm kind of happy for you. There's no sound. It was such bullshit.

Well, once in a generation player, they find out he's retiring via an Adam Schefter tweet in the middle of a game. For the second time in three years, they thought he was going to play. That's why they bought the season tickets. And now they're like, oh, he's never playing again. The other team in the AFC that I would say buy stock in is a guaranteed playoff lock, and I'm doing that in Week 5. I like this fan-to-lock.

It's the 4-1 Buffalo Bills. And I'm not saying it's because they're that special. They play the Jets. Bad. This is still to come. They play the Washington Redskins. Bad. Giants.

Bad. At home. The Dolphins twice. Okay, they're already 4-1. So they're taking on three of the four suckfest teams. There's a four-team suck-off right now. That's a human centipede. But I'm just saying, I can make an argument that that's 9-1,

and we haven't even talked about the fact that they get Baltimore, they get Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, with whatever quarterback, they're going to have Baltimore at home. I'm just saying this is a 9-10 win team. Stop right there. Devlin Hodges, the human duck. He looked actually kind of good yesterday. Didn't even blink. Yes. I liked him better than Mason Rudolph.

I think all of Pittsburgh did. Now granted, the Mason Rudolph optics, the card's broken. I mean, come on, tell the truth. You know what I mean? That's Pittsburgh too. They said that he wanted to walk off. That guy was in no position to make any decisions. I think we could all see that by the director zooming in on his face maskless helmet and him just kind of. His feet were just like being dragged slowly.

Optically. It was a weekend at Bernie's situation. Let's all say we are happy he's okay. Scary situation. He was unconscious for like 90 seconds. That's my number one thing I dislike about media. Everybody are happy he's okay. Scary situation. He was unconscious for like 90 seconds. That's my number one thing I dislike about media. Everybody is hoping he's okay. Yes.

But we have to say this so that someone on Twitter doesn't go, oh, were you hoping he got hurt? Like, no, man, we all hope he's okay. I put out a tweet that said. What? Yeah. I mean, I had a couple people say they weren't going to be fans of mine anymore. What did you do? And I would argue that them saying that.

That's fucked up. You should really give this audience as much content as you do the Twitter audience. Well, I think the... I'm going to. I'm going to read it for sure, but I just wanted to make sure I get it 100% accurate because I don't think I was in the wrong. And I had three people tell me that they were once fans of mine, they are no longer fans of mine

because of this tweet. And I would argue these people that are saying they're not fans, you are never a fucking fan. Get out of here. I put up a tweet yesterday that said, hate to see it. And it was the standings of the Eagles over the Cowboys. And someone said, former fan, peace out, bro. I'm like, dude, you're the dumbest individual I've ever heard of. Dumbest.

So I said this. I said, imagine coming back to consciousness after a very scary concussion And having to think Wait, is my fucking face mask missing? Because literally That was the most obscene thing I have ever seen in my entire life This guy doesn't even know his name at this point He has no idea where he is

Looking like Ray Guy Exactly They said he didn't know what day it was And this dude He had to come back and just be like I have a hat on I wanted him to do the slow hands to the face. I'm like, what is it?

What am I wearing right now? Happy he's okay. Yeah, happy he's okay. But that wasn't even a joke. That was an observant report. That is a real thought. If I'm ever in that position in the XFL or the CFL where I decide to play quarterback and I'm slinging it around and I get sandwiched and Earl Thomas hits me right on the button,

which I don't think was a dirty hit, by the way. A lot of people are on the internet like, dirty don't think was a dirty hit, by the way. A lot of people on the internet were like, dirty, dirty. It was just like the Josh Allen hit. I think it was a victim of circumstance where it just kind of got a quick, quick bang, which happens in the NFL. 100 miles an hour. If I ever come back to it and they have my face mask off and I don't even know

my name, I think my first thought would be like, in my mind, I'd be looking down like my nose. Is there a fucking face mask here or not? That would be the first thing I would ask. Maybe just attack the stadium. And I would say, is this God? Why am I walking off?

Are they pushing that cart off? Have you ever been knocked out and woken up to humans? No, I've never been knocked unconscious. I think I've gotten a couple concussions, though, after watching the movie Concussion, and Dr. Will Smith told me to tell the truth. I think I've gotten a couple. I had one in elementary school, like fifth grade football.

You remember? Oh, I caught it, turned, and you heard the head slam. And it was one of those things where my eyes opened and every kid in the class was touching the bump that was forming on my head.

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but goddamn, the guy's good, just like LinkedIn. Now, let's get back to this conversation. My issue is I've heard soccer is potentially tough. Oh, yeah. Because of headers and shit. I used to just throw my head around. Like, I used to just be like, yeah, let me do it. Wham, bam, goal, bang, bang.

So I think at some point. How many beers you slammed against your head? Nothing? That wasn't my move. You were just a chugger. Yep. Gotcha. It'll go down a gullet.

And put it in the stomach that's right nice i mean people have said that i was the fastest seven beer beer bong that they've ever seen in their entire life and i would say that's probably an accurate thing but those days are long gone now left i still think your dad playing jingo is more impressive probably the most impressive feat in that clip gone viral on YouTube? I know it's going viral on social. We haven't pulled up on YouTube. No, we haven't.

It's gone viral on someone else's channel on YouTube. On someone else's? Well, guess what? Bring it back to this beautiful audience you've built here. I am going to cease and desist the shit out of those people. That's a good point. It's big in Japan. Tim Macfee's massive in Japan.

I've had to sign away the rights. You guys got off a plane and he was just swarmed by people with notepads. It seems like it airs every single night in Japan. They love the block. They love the block, Dad. Did you watch Most Extreme Challenges when you were growing up? Where they would be like, someone would be like,

I like tortillas! And then they'd get like, best show ever. That's what American Ninja Warrior should be. No, you know what else is a good one? It's that game, it's the challenge game, but there's like a big red ball, they bounce off it, the people die. Wipeout. Wipeout, yeah.

Wipeout was also something I absolutely loved. They got rid of it, I assume somebody got hurt. We talked before about we need to do Monday Night Football together. I just want to do most extreme challenges. Is it dead? No, it's just not America. I mean, they call it like they have Ninja Warrior

and they had Wipeout, but come on. I want it authentic. Everybody knows the truth. Tell the truth. Most extreme challenge is the best one out there. It's so good.

Also, let's bring back Legends of the Hidden Temple. They tried to. What happened? The kids suck? Yeah, it fucking stunk. You're telling me the purple barracudas couldn't show up? And then Nickelodeon made a fictional movie based on the game show.

See, that's too much. Yeah, exactly. Guts, though. Do you have it? Adult guts. Let's go to Moe. I'm here with James. James is an accountant.

He has not worked out in three years. He's going to try and climb this fucking wall. Come on. That'd be so good. I'm here for the aggro, Craig Moe. If it was the same kids that competed like 30 years ago, we just brought them back now? Do you know, very recently I yelled at my father for not signing me up for guts as a kid. Because I'm a punt, pass, and kick national champ.

If I would have had the Global Guts National Championship or World Championship as well, that would have been a nice little resume. How far can you throw a football? Have you done it? Forever. That's not real. So, like, I had Sanu on my show. He did 71 and a half.

I can't do that. I can hit 60, though, if I have to. People don't realize how far that is. 60 yards? How far can you punt? What's your furthest air punt? I don't know. Forever.

Like, right now or, like, in general? Right now. I mean, if I really just wanted to blow my knee out, I could probably hit one 70 yards if I had to. Hecker, so I have an episode coming up where I deal with Hecker, who apparently you have a feud with, and I didn't realize this. No, I love him. Johnny, he was like really cashing you.

He just doesn't kick off. I just play another position. He's a friend of the show. We did a thing where Hecker was teaching me, Taron Killam, and Karan Butler how to catch punts. It's the weirdest trio of people ever. And he was like, apparently he went to the camera. He was like, I'm going to fuck with Lefkoe.

And he boomed at 75. And I couldn't read it because he went, like it was effortless. And it flew over my fucking head. You guys are crazy. Those are fun days. So we'd bring in like rookie returners, you know? Like Philip Dorsett. We drafted him.

And everybody was like, oh, he's going to be drafted as a returner? The kid didn't return in college. He was just really fast at Miami. Very fast. Oh, yeah, and they cut Cribs the next day, too. Like, literally the day after. One of the greatest returners of all time. Yeah, they cut him, see you later, we don't need him.

This guy's going to be our returner. He's fast, and he's a wide receiver. He's going to be a good returner. Yeah, we've seen other people do it. He's going to be good. So Tom McMahon was like, listen, we have to prove whether or not this guy can catch a ball. And if he can't, we should prove this early so that we don't get stuck with this fucking guy returning kicks. Because if your guy can't catch a punt, that is a real problem to your special teams unit.

So literally the first day, I just started hitting this guy fucking mortars. Just fucking as high as possible. And then they turn over and they come straight down. And lo and behold, every single time went right through his fucking hands. I mean, every single time. Phil Dorsett did not want to catch punts anymore. Then they put him out in the game. First game, dropped two of them.

Wait, so he failed this miserably, and they said, let's still put him out in one of the 16 opportunities that we have to win in the NFL. Yeah, because we drafted him in the first round, and we have to make use of him. Gregson is amazing. The best. The best ever. But Philip Dorsett, in practice, I'd see him on our practice squad going against our defense

and he'd be mossing folks. He'd be like making incredible plays. He'd be like go-rouch, just dimes, just making all... We would never get him the ball in the game. I was always just like this guy dominates Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Can we just get him on Sunday? They're like, oh, we'll see if we can get him in the game plan.

I'm like, okay. And then he goes to New England, and they're doing everything that they should be doing. But you'd still take Jacoby over Dorsett in that trade? Is that what the trade was? Yeah, it was Dorsett for Jacoby. In a heartbeat. In a heartbeat. In a heartbeat.

So he's been good, but Jacoby's so, like, he's the next three years of this franchise. Three? Four years of this franchise. 15. I don't think. Jacoby Bursette is the next 15 years for this franchise. He's a young quarterback. Holy crap, he's got the spirit of Morgan Freeman.

Yeah, that's why. Because he's such a chill guy. He's a leader. He's a savage. I'm not as high on Brissett as you are. That's because you're not in the city. Yeah, yeah. Gardner, Minshew, or Brissett? That is not a question. That is not even close to a question. I mean, what are you doing? Gardner, Minshew isn or Brissette? That is not a question. That is not even close to a question.

I mean, what are you doing? Gardner, Minshew isn't even going to play. Gardner, Minshew isn't even going to play next year whenever Big Richard Nick Foles... Gardner, Minshew, or Brissette? Aaron Rodgers! What are you even talking about? This isn't even a question.

I'm only talking about these two. Jacoby Brissette, I'm sure Gardner, Minshew has a better mustache. AFC South is the Bermuda Triangle of the NFL. We have no idea what the fuck's going on. We have no idea who's going to win that division. I know you say the Colts, but they could lose two, three games real quick. Nah. Well, the Texans, if they play—

Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson. Yo. If they can figure out how to keep Deshaun Watson on his feet, which I'm worried he might get an Andrew Luck syndrome where he just gets his dick kicked in so much he loses his love for football, which Dan Orlovsky told me this morning that that doesn't matter.

Deshaun just wants the ball out of him. Like, how many times can you just get killed and finally say enough is enough? They tried to protect him with Laramie Tunzel. Deshaun Watson is a special individual. If they can protect him and do it, I'm not sure they can. Nothing is said that they can. The only thing I'll say, too, is the thing that frustrates me about NFL reactions is we never look at the matchup. How many teams have beaten the shit out of the Falcons this year?

They're bad. And then every week we go, Tennessee hung up 30 on the Falcons. Mariota turns it around. This guy's back. Deshaun Watson puts up 53. He's incredible. And it's like Dan Quinn is the worst defensive coach in the NFL right now. How does that happen, by the way?

How does the team just become so bad? My theory is that he was part of that Seattle coaching tree. Gus Bradley, who's now with the Chargers. It went all over the NFL because everybody was emulating the Seahawks. Well, this is just like the Sean McVay theory for the offense. And so all of these other guys are the lesser form, and they don't know why that defense worked. They just know we have to run this defense.

And now Dan Quinn. When has the Falcons' defense been good under Dan Quinn? Their best year was when Kyle Shanahan put up the fifth most points of all time. They were up 25 points in a Super Bowl. Yeah. And then that defense allowed 35. But let's blame Kyle Shanahan for not running it on one play. Well, and also, Matt Ryan's got a little bit of on one play. Well, and also, I mean, Matt Ryan's got a little

bit of a noodle worm. Well, and correct me if I'm wrong, I mean, I didn't watch the game yesterday, but with Matt Ryan, you just That's the worst way to lead in. No, no, no, no, no, we read the stats. Hey, we saw the highlights left go. That's what we do, you know. We saw highlights. But, I mean,

yeah, he threw for, like, 300, you know, 78 yards and four touchdowns. But at no point in that game were they ever in a position to win. They just got their fucking ass kicked all game long. That three-year run where Drew Brees went 7-9 and nobody wants to talk about it because he's a top-five quarterback of all time, that's literally how he masked, I would say, a quarter of his yards. Like down by 21, two touchdown drives. Garbage yards are the best.

They're the absolute... The Blake Bortles special. Andrew Luck threw 4,500 yards. Hey, Andrew Luck, Dak Prescott. Andrew Luck used to get a lot of these, but we would come back and win them. We would win! We would win them. Teams would go into prevent defense and we'd just start picking them apart, and everybody's on our sideline like, alright, here we fucking go again.

We're going to be in this thing. It's a cardiac situation. Dak Prescott happened with yesterday. Do you miss him? Me? Or you're so hopped up on Jacoby that it doesn't even matter. I liked watching Andrew Luck play football. I enjoyed watching him, like, you know, what he was able to do. He was a special specimen.

But I never thought he had enough to be the guy. I never thought he was mean enough to be the guy. I never thought he had enough. Like, he was super competitive. That's why we're always in games, because how competitive he was. But I don't think he had that killer instinct. You know what I mean? Jacoby has it.

Like, that's why I like Jacoby. He was on the team for a week and a half the last time he started when they were 4-12. And he played right away. And he was yelling, though, at the offensive linemen, like, week three. They didn't even know his fucking name yet. And that was something Andrew Luck would never do, right? So I was like, as soon as I saw that, I'm like, oh, this guy. Like, he has something, right? Because I'm coming from the soon as I saw that, I'm like, oh, this guy, like he has something, right?

Because I'm coming from the Peyton Manning tree where Peyton ran everything in the building. If the food wasn't good, that fucking chef was going to get it. Now, granted, Chef DeWitt, D, was always on his shit. But I'm just saying, if something was wrong, Peyton was going to let people know there was an accountability operation. With Andrew, he was too nice of a guy. He never had that. So he never really let people know, like, hey, you're sucking and that's fucking all of us over. Like, he wouldn't do that because I think he was too nice of a guy. He never had that. So he never really let people know, like, hey, you're sucking, and that's fucking all of us over.

Like, he wouldn't do that because I think he was too nice of a guy. Jacoby, though, is not scared to hold people accountable. Like, hey, and also on himself, he'll take some blame as well, like he did last night when he threw that pick to the honey badger. He was like, yeah, that's on me 100%. So that type of leadership I like. And also, with what Frank Reich was able to do with Andrew last year, like, Andrew had an incredible year last year they're one in five or one in six and then they flipped that whole thing

around four yeah yeah no I think they're one in five I think I think it sounds a lot better if they're one in five it might they might have been one in five I don't know it one in four one in five but then Frank Reich was able to figure out how to work with him and that's why I think everybody was so disappointed this year it's because like, like, hey, we got a guy. We got a team. We got a coach that understands this. And Andrew's like, well, I'm hurt again. I don't want to go through all this shit, so I'll see you later.

But now he's using that with Jacoby. I like Jacoby a lot. So do I miss Andrew? No. I don't miss Andrew right now. Maybe in a couple years if Jacoby fizzles out or something, we'll be like, man, it would have been cool if Andrew would have stuck with this. But Jacoby has really sparked, like sparked a refreshness in the Colts

nation and the fans. I really like this team a lot. You know what else I saw last night? I saw your boy, Vinatieri. 4-4-4. Game winners. No big deal. Turn that switch on that I've heard you talk about before. Oh, that last one there? Where he goes psychopath and nothing can talk to him.

Did you see they caught him on the sideline doing the suck it? Oh, yeah. That was amazing. It was awesome. The best part was everyone around him was laughing, and he was just like, meh. Because you know he was like, oh, I guess I'm having a slump. I guess I'm over the hill.

So that doctor that he was talking to once told us that he could run a 4-4-40. So that doctor is one of the most electrifying humans in the building. The little white doctor there said to Vinatieri in the past in the training room, he was like, I could run a 4-4 if I had to, right? So that guy has a great personality. That doctor right there is somebody that is well-known in the building. So I would assume that he said there was some give and take there and where he asked Vinatieri if he was going to celebrate at all.

And I would assume what Vinatieri was saying is, I wanted to do the on the field to everybody. Suck it to everybody. Which would have been incredible if he would have done that. The internet would have loved it. Oh my God. Could you imagine Chris Collinsworth and Al Michaels? A little bit unbeknownst to the game there.

And Chris Collinsworth, it seems like he was pointing at his groin region there. And then Al's like, that must have been some McAfee rubbing off on him. I love Vinatieri though. But yeah, you're 100% right though. He's a little unhealthy. You'd wear his skin if you could, I think. No, no,ieri, though. But yeah, you're 100% right, though. He's a little unhealthy. You'd wear his skin if you could, I think.

No, no, no, no. He is Italian, though. Hey, he is Italian, though. Something to think about. No, he's just the greatest of all time. That's just the way it goes. Guy's the best of all time. Ah, good conversation.

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Shane Leckler was incredible. Yeah. Andy Lee was also incredible. Still is. Really good. I would argue the best pure punter, just straight punting footballs. Hi, how's it going? Catching a snap, punting the ball. Thomas Morstead of the New Orleans Saints. He has been unbelievable.

He's a jugs machine. He's a jugs machine. He's the most boring dude of all time when it comes to punting. His legs come, his hips are at my chest. He's got these long-ass levers. He's like a super smart guy, super nice guy. Get a free bay. His ability to bend.

J.K. Scott is going to be the next one. He's a weapon. If J.K. can find the same consistency as Thomas Morstead does, Thomas Morstead is a jugs machine. As soon as he catches the ball, he does the same thing every single time. It's just the same ball every single time. It's not going to be as big as the biggest ball, but he's never going to be

as low as other people's. It's just the same ball every time. I firmly believe that the Saints will be the team in the Super Bowl for the NFC. I think it's every week I feel more and more sure of it. And I think everyone's like, oh, they're not scoring that much points. It's not the Saints teams that I've known for a long time. This defense and that guy, Thomas Morstead, is every time I watch,

I go, man, Dallas is starting off at their own five again. That's what Thomas does. Shit, Jameis Winston's decking his own 11 again. And then Cam Jordan and that D-line, I mean, they're three and out without Breeze right now, and the three teams they've beaten have beaten Tampa Bay after they romped the Rams, the Dallas Cowboys, and in Seattle.

That's without Breeze. Those are very good teams. That team is loaded and primed for success. But it's nothing compared to Aaron Rodgers and that Packers team. No, yes they are. Nope. Nothing. Not a chance. I mean, Aaron Rodgers and that Packers offense have been so neglig they are. Nope. Nothing. Not a chance. I mean, Aaron Rodgers and that Packers offense have been so negligent in second halves this year. Hey. Hey. You're betting first

half over, second half unders? I'm just saying him and Matt LaFleur are just now finding each other. Yes. I think they are just now finding each other. And their relationship on the sideline tells me that. When Matt LaFleur was almost freaking out there towards the end, Aaron Rodgers literally grabbed him on his shoulder like an older brother, put his arm around him, basically told him, hey, sorry, bub, don't worry, but hey, I've been here before, not a big deal. They're going to be well-oiled by about week 8-9. Yeah, I think so, and I think

that team's going to be dangerous, but Drew Brees is already throwing back again with that bad thumb. Teddy Bridgewater saw that and said, I'm not going to start for that many more weeks, I need to take advantage of it. He started bowing out. I think that's the thing, too. My issue with the Saints when I picked them, I picked them to go to the playoffs but not to win anything before the year,

was that we saw Drew Brees' arm get tired late in the year. Very tired. Guess what? He's resting. He's having six weeks of not throwing. That's six weeks that we can add on to the end of the year. And I go, what guy on the Packers can match up with Kamara? Jair Alexander, the one guy he definitely

has a size disadvantage against is Michael Thomas. It'll be a great game. I just know that the Packers better keep fucking winning, because if it's in the Superdome... That's what I would say, yeah. And with the way the refs call games in the Super Bowl this year... Insert

newest rant about Alberto Riveron from earlier today. Alberto Riveron needs to be run out of Park Avenue. Needs to be run out of the game. He's not helping. He's hurting. And that goes across all of the board. I'm not just talking about the hand slap from the Green Bay Packers on the head of the Dak Prescott guy.

Terrible call. Yeah. I'm not talking about the pass interference that they refused to overturn in the other game. I'm talking about that T.Y. Hilton pass interference on a rub route where it looked like T.Y. was trying to get out of the way. Alberto Riveron refuses to overturn the pass interference because he's taking a stand that he doesn't like the way the rules are being changed because he's an NFL ref and his job's getting harder.

And my judgment calls are my judgment calls. No review can change it. Shut up, Alberto. Just make the damn call how it's supposed to be. You don't make the rules, you enforce them, Alberto Riveron. He's public enemy number one, not only for this show, but for the entire NFL.

That's going to cost some people some real things down the line. Imagine if the Colts lose that game to the Chiefs because of that pass interference. That was a phantom call that, by the way, the NFL knew that these phantom calls happen sometimes. And sometimes refs get it wrong, Alberto. Sometimes you guys make mistakes on live time. So, like, you know what we're going to do?

We're going to allow them the opportunity to review it if we're completely wrong. So they review it, and Alberto goes, nah. No, that's still it. Don't worry about it. No, it's not Alberto. I hate you, Alberto. I hate you, Al Riveron. It's getting to the point, and we mentioned this earlier,

where it's like the games are almost unwatchable because every player is like, alright, let's wait. Let's see what flag's coming in here. You mentioned them ruining, potentially ruining games and costing people. Bad late hit at the end of the Steelers-Ravens game. Oh my god, that sent them down to the field goal.

Put them in a position for Justin Tucker to send it into overtime. It's affecting teams right now, and there's no indication that it's going to get any better. No, it's only going to get worse. And Chris Collinsworth had one of the most hilarious lines I have ever... I think it's one of the most hilarious lines I've ever heard a commentator say. Yeah. I don't think commentators are that funny normally. No, definitely not.

He said, I think that's an incompletion, but after watching football all day today, I have no idea. He threw in the towel. He was like, listen, I don't think anybody knows what the rules are except for Alberto Riveron. He's the only guy. He's like the judge, I don't think anybody knows what the rules are except for Alberto Riveron. He's the only guy. He's like the judge, jury, and executioner of this whole thing. He decides what goes and what doesn't go.

When is Commissioner Goodell going to sit him down and say, listen, you either get with the program or you get the hell out. And that's what I'm waiting for him to do. It's only a matter of time. That pass interference on T.Y. Hilton, I think the entire internet was like, there's no way they uphold this call. Everybody was like, primetime television, millions of people watching,

potential upset to what people are saying is the most talented team in a long time. This call is a microscope on it. This has been talked about since the Saints game. This has been talked about a lot by a lot of people. Just the refs refusing to do the right thing in these situations. And everybody was like, I actually thought to myself,

I had a tweet ready to go, like, oh, good for Al. You know, he's heard the criticism. Good for Al. He's come around on this whole thing. He admits his mistakes. He's getting better. But instead, it's the complete opposite. Somehow he makes the worst call he's ever made in

the whole season. When we thought he couldn't suck anymore, somehow he turns it into a complete suck fest on Sunday Night Football, which you would think the NFL at some point would get sick of. The NFL would be sick of like, hey Al, you're embarrassing the game right now. Nobody knows the damn rules because you refused to enforce them the way they're supposed to. At some point,

Roger Goodell has to call Alberto Riveron and say, call the game how it's supposed to be called some point, Roger Goodell has to call Alberto Riveron and say, call the game how it's supposed to be called. Your refs on the field stink. Not all of them. That's a broad brush. But a large majority of your refs on the field stink. We're putting review in to help your stinky ass refs that you have on the field. And you refuse to let them help. You refuse to help them out by overturning calls. I just hate it. I'm sick of Alberto Riveron. Yeah, I mean, it's a lot easier to swallow after a win,

but that Packers-Cowboys game was the worst officiated game I've ever seen in my life. Both sides. Both sides. Like, the Cowboys got screwed on a couple big calls, so did the Packers, and it's just, again, it's to the point where what's going to happen? Are they just going to keep ruining these games, or what? It's almost like the replacement refs are in right where, you know, what's going to happen? Are they just going to keep ruining these games or what?

It's almost like the replacement refs are in right now. Yeah. This is kind of the feel as if the replacement refs are in from top to bottom. It feels like we're back in those days. Green Bay Packers had a hell of a situation with the replacement refs. How about Walt Anderson in that coin toss going into overtime? Now, granted, Steelers deferred, which is a wildly aggressive move. Especially when you got the duck,

the human duck, Devlin Hodges, world champion duck caller, went in there didn't blink an eye after the Mason Rudolph situation. He couldn't even handle the coin toss. The coin toss became an entire cluster truck. It makes no sense to me. There's no consistency from the refs.

It's such a crock of shit. Hey, they are bad. It's like replacement year refs all of a sudden. You have no idea what is a catch, what isn't a catch, what's pass interference, what isn't pass interference, what they're going to call, what they're not going to call. And then there's zero explanation or zero accountability from anybody. Alberto Riveron, and I just said it in a clip, he's a terrorist to the NFL. He's bringing down the NFL single-handedly.

Whether he likes to admit it or not, he's refusing to adapt to the rules. I just don't like him. I think the refs are bad. They're getting worse. I don't know how you get worse in a world that is supposedly getting better. And I think the people that realize this the most are the people that are involved in sports betting. Because you're seeing the impact on the lines, and you have a lot more at stake. That's how I don't know how it's still happening.

And that's why I believe that having referees that are part-time is no longer allowed. There is too much. It was already a billion-dollar industry. It's going to be ten times that amount with sports betting. And I'm watching Ravens-Steelers, and I had Ravens minus three. And I'm watching an incomplete pass that you buy the half? No, no, I got it at three. It was like when the Westgate came out.

I got it at three. Thank fucking God I got a push. But then I watch, even against the Ravens, there was a rough in the passer on Lamar Jackson where he just brought down by his feet. There's no consistency. None of it makes sense. They're too afraid to change the calls on the field to embarrass the referees. And the referee of that game was Walt Anderson.

It was so bad. And then I went, what other games did he do this year? He did that Chiefs-Lions shit fest where there was like, hey, what about this 99-yard fumble return? That's a weird play. He also did Saints-Rams week two where they called the fumble dead. He's 70. play. He also did Saints-Rams week two, where they called the fumble dead. He's 60-something years old. Let's have 40-something

year old guys that are in peak physical condition. This is their only fucking job. I don't care if you called games 30, 40 years ago. If anything, I actually think that's bad. Because now you're used to calls that do not exist anymore. Well, that's what Alberto Riveron's problem is. He's refusing to adapt to the past interference review

because he thinks it's taking the judgment calls away from referees. It's like the referees who just negotiated a new CBA. You would think they would be happy with the way this whole thing is going. They just agreed to something with the NFL. You would think they would all rally up and be like, okay, now we'll adjust to the new rules that we are not in charge of making, by the way. Alberto Riveron, you are not in charge of creating the rules. Your job is strictly to enforce them.

So get off your high horse, Alberto. I don't like the guy. That was Walt Anderson. Do you have any moments with him? Walt Anderson, I have a noted. So I like struck a chord. When you said it, you were just speaking exactly from my heart. What's the biggest moment where you looked at him and said,

I'd like to piss in his coffee? We were in London. International man of mystery, Pat Mac. Exactly. Enigma, some people would call me. I had an incredible cadence as a ball holder. Numerous people jumped off sides because of my inflection. I would love to hear it.

It's good. It's really good. What do you yell? Do you go, snap it now? Nope. So depending on what side we're on, if we're on the right hash, it's blue, blue. If we're on the left hash, it's red, red, which means if there's a fire situation, I'm rolling to the right or I'm rolling to the left, right? Blue, the L in blue and the red in white.

Yeah, very basic stuff. or I'm rolling to the left, right? The L in blue and the red. Yeah, very basic stuff. Then we had code words, just like the Peyton Manning for what number we were going on. Because if you go on one every time, the defense gets a hold of that. And then the offensive linemen who have the worst job in football blocking for a field goal are just getting teed off on by the thing, right?

So I like to vary the snap counts, right? We had a four. We had it on four. Wow. Yeah. But you have to work that during practice vary the snap counts. We had a four. We had an on four at one. But you have to work that during practice because the offensive lineman can't jump there. And whenever I had a cadence, which I did have a good one, if you get your own guy to jump, back up five yards. Bad news, because now Vinatieri's not happy.

We just backed up five yards. So instead of stealing a first down, I just fucked the greatest of all time. So it was a fine balance. So anytime we were in an area... But you did get people more fantasy points with those five yards, so you're welcome. Yeah. Never got thanked. Yeah.

Never got thanked. 47 to 53 is enormous. Okay. Anyway. Exactly. 100%. You're 100% right. These are the things that I never get thanked for.

Yeah. It just. Typical. Never talked about. Mostly because the only media people that get it are internet media people. Yeah. Not the TV people. Yeah.

Well, you know, they go home and eat brand new. But if it was fourth and five or short, there's about a 100% chance that I'm going on either three, two, or four. Yeah. Right? We're not going on one. We're going to get them. If we get a little dummy on the edge that jumps off sides, bang,

let's pick up the first down, let's keep it moving. And in England, we were kicking brand new footballs because Walt Anderson refused to do the proper protocol for K-Balls. Proper protocol for K-Balls is our equipment manager and the other team's equipment manager get 30 minutes in a room that's being watched by an NFL official to break in balls. Normally, four balls are broken in out of the seven. Then those four balls are numbered, and those balls are put into play. Broken in ball saves you like five to seven yards. It helps you out five to seven yards instead of hitting like a brick, like knock on wood if you're with me.

That's what a brand-new football is. Walt Anderson refused to use any of the broken balls in England just for his own fucking accord for no other reason other than he's Walt Anderson. So we're using all the brand-new balls for the entire game. I noticed that on the first snap of a punt. I caught the ball, and I was literally like, what the fuck is this? Almost went over to our equipment manager. I was like, what are we doing? He was like, Walt Anderson won't use the ball, and I was literally like, what the fuck is this? Almost went over to our equipment manager. I was like, what are we doing?

He was like, Walt Anderson won't use the ball, buddy. I don't know what to tell you. Can they work him in on the sideline? No, no. They only get 30 minutes and never touch him again. Oh, wow. So you only have 30 minutes, and you're supervised. And our guy will go in there and break a sweat.

I mean, it was a big deal for us, and we would tip him out very large for this. That's why the whole Brady thing, like, it's a real part of the game. Real part of the game is the balls. Yes. K-Ball is very different than those balls. Quarterbacks get to bring their own balls to the game, so that's their own thing. That's weird. K-Ball is because of Mitch Berger and Brett Favre. The

K-Ball world got introduced because Mitch Berger broke in a ball so bad by putting it in like a dryer. It became like a rugby ball and it got put into a game and Brett Favre threw a pick. So Brett Favre bitched about the K-ball and then new K-ball rules came. Blah, blah, blah. The whole thing happened. So now we're at this point where, and I think

nowadays the rule has changed even more where the teams are allowed to bring their own balls to the game. K-balls. So it's like all the way back full circle. But when we were in England, the protocol was broken. So these brand new balls were happening. We were down to Jacksonville. It was a 33-yard extra point or whatever.

So on the extra point, I was like, I'm going to go on two. We never go on two on the extra point. Think I can get a guy. We can go for two then. The ball's on the one, and Vinny doesn't have to kick this brand new ball. And Vinny's like, deal. I'm like, alright. So I jog out there, and I go balls, right? So that's on two. Cock balls, obviously.

Gotcha, because there's two of them. Yeah. Balls, balls, balls, right? And everybody's like looking at me like extra point, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Balls, balls, right? So that's on two. Cock balls, obviously. Gotcha, because there's two of them. Yeah. Balls, balls, balls, right? And everybody's looking at me like, extra point. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Balls, balls. So I go, red, red. Sit!

And I see the nose tackle. I see him start to fall forward. And as he's almost forward, I go, sit! And we snap the next one. He kicks it. Neutral zone. Flag flies, right? Bang, bang, bang.

So the umpire, whoever was behind, goes, I got 97, blah, blah, blah. He's in the neutral zone. At that point, I'm looking over at Chuck. I'm like, let's go for two. Like, we're about to be on the one. Let's go for two. Walt Anderson comes out of the referee meeting, points at me, and goes, I'm calling it on one. And looks right at the camera and goes, false start, number one, kicking team, five-yard penalty.

We'll redo the track. So not only do you still have to kick a field goal, now it's longer. Now it's a 38-yard field goal, brand new ball, and all because Walt Anderson is what I like to call an ass-clown. Did he hit the field goal? Yeah, he made it. It's finitary. The extra point would have been nice

there because we were down. That's the thing, though. That's why I hate though, is like. That's why I hate Walt Anderson. Yes. Strictly because. An abuse of power. Well, Matt Overton. Matt Overton, our long snapper, was literally in the ref huddle.

And he was like, yeah, three refs were like, oh, it's on 97. And Walt Anderson literally just pointed right back at you and said, I'm calling it on one. I'm like, this fucking guy. Because I didn't move. So, like, refs would come talk to me before the game about Mike Hayden. So, they would talk to, like, quarterbacks. They'd talk to centers and snappers., refs would come talk to me before the game about my cadence. So they would talk to, like, quarterbacks. They'd talk to centers and snappers.

And then they would come talk to me. They're like, listen, we saw you on film. Just make sure you continue not to move. So I wasn't allowed

to move my hand forward at all. Not allowed to move my head forward at all. Couldn't do anything. I just had to do this and it had to be all inflection. And I would literally, like,

work on it at practice. God, you're a fucking loud mouth. Yes, exactly. That worked out great. Well, and if you come from the barrel of the gut there, you can really get a gut. Yeah. We go on four if there's a rookie end, like if there's a rookie corner. I'm like, all right, we're going to go on four here.

This guy will jump at some point. Yes. Sit! Sit! Sit! And then as he's falling, wait for him, wait for him, wait for him. Sit! And then he's in the neutrals.

I was like, perfect. We had a first down. Yeah, so Walt Anderson and I have had a beef since that moment. Not only him ruining the kicking balls for me. I'm supposed to put on a show for these English people. Yes. Who actually enjoy kicking, by the way. So they're here to see us bomb balls.

We actually get clapped on and off the field over there in England. And then also for screwing me in potentially Vinatieri. My biggest issue with the refs is that we have this discussion every year after every week. And every week we go up but there's more games coming up we got to start talking about the next week of games this was the first offseason where we really spent time talking about how bad the refs are because of that and i feel like now instead of the referees going you know what all these years we need to change they've emboldened their stance to say fuck you even more and that's the my biggest when does

goodell though right goodell when has he said anything in the last six months he has disappeared hasn't he completely off the face of the earth why why where's he wants his 50 million dollar check and the cba is coming up in about a year and he's trying to give the least amount of leverage out there right now because he hears that they're getting together and they're going to save their money, the players, and they're coming for that 51%. It's so interesting to me because, you know, Goodell dapped me up before that draft thing. And that's the first time I've ever really got to talk to him face-to-face. I'm waiting for someone to turn down the Goodell hug. On the stage?

That's because none of those— He comes out there for the bro hug, and I want them to go, pause. Shake my hand. This is a business arrangement. I'm not your brother. And I know you're probably going to find me within the, this is a business arrangement. I'm not your brother. And I know you're probably going to find me within the next couple years of my life. Here's a dollar. I will say this.

I was impressed with Goodell when I talked to him man-to-man right before I went out there for the job. It's not a hard job. Impossible job. Yes. But he's paid very well for it. That's why nobody has any sympathy for him. And I don't think Goodell expects sympathy, by the way. They'll decorate it with firefighters or policemen or children, whatever he goes in public, because they know that he's going to get better.

Yes, he will never go out alone, except for at the draft where they even try to bring local legends on the stage and they try their best. But it's just, he has a bad job because he's the mouthpiece of 32 different billionaires who want to make as much money as possible. So he is in a bad spot. But when it comes to this refs, I don't know how he hasn't stepped up and said, listen, Alberto, no more of the fuckery. All right? We made the rules for a reason. You just need to enforce them. The entire internet rarely agrees on things.

Rarely. On a lot of these calls that they have refused to overturn, the entire internet, even the trolls, even the slapdicks and fucksticks, everybody on the internet has said this. Everybody has come to an agreement. This is a PR moment where Goodell could potentially come out and say, I'm sick of the refs too. Alberto

Riveron, get the fuck out. We got Ed Hockley coming back in. I love that guy. Is that Ed Hockley's music? The thing about it is you say we need these younger refs. Nobody wants to be a ref anymore. Why would you? So it's just like cops.

Nobody wants to be a cop. Nobody is going to a game to cheer for referees, right? Refs are only acknowledged whenever they fuck up, which has been happening at a rapid rate, but nobody wants to be a ref. So unless Ed Hockley has 45 more kids, I don't know where we're going to find these refs that are worth a shit. That's why I think Elon Musk needs to just create artificial intelligence for the referee thing if we really want to save the NFL. Holding on Quinton Nelson. 56.

And then you can have the lasers just like in tennis on the entire field. Oh, he got two feet in. Bang. Those videos are great. See the referee go, oh, it's third and one. Actually, it's first down. And I'm like, this is a billion dollar industry.

It makes no sense to me. The dude was dancing with his foot and he forgot which side of his foot the ball was on. Oh, dude. They just have no idea. But it's the National Football League. And the thing is that I've learned

just from covering this league now for a while is you think it's going to be the best because it's the number one sport in America. Everything is so expensive. Billions and billions of dollars. And there's just fuckery everywhere. And like the Washington Redskins,

think about this office this morning. Oh my God, dude. For two decades. Jay Gruden wanted to be fired. They have fed the ego of Daniel Snyder. And Bruce Allen, like Succession, walking into the room and going, I think if we fire Jay Gruen,

that's the issue. But this is a team that's supposed to be trying to win the Super Bowl. No. And they're not. They're trying to sell parking spaces. They're trying to sell season tickets. Dude. There's eight teams trying to win the Super Bowl any given year. And the other 24 teams are trying to have good margins.

And it's fucking bullshit. I would argue that this year, there are eight teams that are potentially going to win the Super Bowl. 20 that are just trying to make money. And there's four vying for that number one pick in a full-on suck-off. Washington, Miami, Cincinnati, and... Jets. Jets. They gave their own quarterback, Amano.

Amano? It's Amano. He kisses and he hugs. They're so bad. And I don't know if Sam Donald just completely turned around that entire team. And Gase is god-awful. He's so bad at football. But again, the Jets will be a lot better in the second half of the season.

Dolphins twice. Giants, Washington. They're going to turn it around, too. AFC East schedule. They just started off against the Eagles, the Patriots, the Browns. You're a big-time Eagles fan. You like the Eagles? Yeah, big time.

I don't believe in them yet. Oh, they're about to have the Kirk Cousins and the Vikings resurging. Oh, shit. Now, listen. Kirk Cousins at home, though, is a different guy. I said this on Friday's podcast with Matt Hasselbeck. and the Vikings resurgent. Now listen. Kirk Cousins at home, though, is a different guy. I said this on Friday's podcast with Matt Hasselbeck that I was potentially going to be open-minded to this entire thing. I, last week, was saying that Kirk Cousins stinks.

I was saying that Kirk Cousins was a stooge and a sellout. I was saying that from every mountaintop that there was a potential place to scream off of. I said Adam Thielen was right. He's sick of Kirk Cousins bullshit. Stephon Diggs heard the Kirk Cousins show, the number one rated podcast in Minnesota, and said, I'm tired of this guy apologizing to another guy. What about me?

I need my touches. I skip work. I say see you later. Then Matt Hasselbeck said Pat. They're not talking about Kirk Cousins. No, they're talking about fucking Zimmer. They're talking about Zimmer. Yes. Adam Thielen was taking a direct shot at Zimmer. Yes. Kirk Cousins apologized to Adam Thielen

when he didn't have to apologize to Adam Thielen. Mike Zimmer's show should have been apologizing to Thielen. Then Stephon Diggs got upset ipso facto by the apology because he wasn't Now we got an entire clusterfuck, a $200,000 fine for Stephon Diggs got upset ipso facto by the apology because he wasn't. Now we've got an entire clusterfuck, a $200,000 fine for Stephon Diggs, which could potentially have led to Zimmer and the offensive coordinator having a conversation like,

maybe we should use these incredible weapons that we have. Maybe we should open up the offense a little bit. They have massive success against the Danny Dimes Giants. Now, is this the scene? Is this the scenario? Is this the situation that turns around the entire Minnesota Vikings team this year? And if it is the case, will they give Stephon Diggs back his $200,000? No, no, and no.

Jesus. Well, here's the deal. Kirk Cousins fucking sucks. They lost to Chicago. Stinks. Stinks. They lost in Chicago. People don't think about situational football.

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At Action Network. Getaction.app forward slash pat. Let's go. Whoa, that defense with Daniel Jones playing? Oh, Daniel Jones is a hell of a cornerback? Jameis Winston hung up 28 on him. The Cowboys hung up 35 on the Giants. That was before Daniel Jones took the starting lineup. It's only Daniel Dimes when he runs.

It's like over the top when he turns his hat around. When he's in the pocket, he's Daniel Dimes. When he runs, flips it back, Danny Dimes. And he dropped the ball in the bucket there this weekend. It's just this ESPN bullshit culture where you watch a highlight and you go, he's pretty good. He gives me high work for that. You don't watch the other three quarters.

My thing is just, Mike Zimmer is a guy that coached a fucking game with an eye patch. He was willing to go blind for coaching. And he said all offseason, we're going to run the fucking ball. And then we put it on Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins has two opportunities to go deep.

Last week against Chicago, and he missed Thielen, he missed Diggs, and it was a failure. That same week, Deshaun Watson had two opportunities to go deep on Carolina. He missed Fuller, he missed Hopkins, they lost the game, he freaked out on a reporter. This week, what do you know? Those balls got caught, and they're fucking legends. The NFL calmed the fuck down and realized that they're good. Well, I would argue that Kirk Cousins-Zimmer situation, if it was righted, good.

If not, that is going to come to a wild volcanic conclusion. I do think it's interesting about how Kirk Cousins is saying he's sorry, and it's really for Zimmer. And we really should be applauding Kirk Cousins for taking the bullet there. Because everybody wants, I bet you that the number 84 is trending whenever the Vikings play. Because everybody likes to talk about his guaranteed contract. Oh, that's what you get for 84 million. In a fair market, that's what you get when a team fucking pumps you up and there's no actual quarterbacks to take. But I think the Vikings, like I think he's going to have a lot

of success against the Eagles too. Oh, the Eagles had 10 sacks. Get ready to hear that all week. It was against the fucking Jets. It's a matchup league. And now they go and play Minnesota. So you think the Eagles are going to struggle with the Vikings? Yes. Really? Yes. I think it'll be... Is Carson Wentz dead if he loses to the Minnesota Vikings? You know what? I think he is. I think they should cut him.

You know? And then they should retrade for Nick Foles. I can't believe they picked Carson Wentz over Nick Foles. You're a crazy person. I can't believe you did. Carson Wentz is so much better than Nick Foles. I can't believe they picked Carson Wentz over Nick Foles. You're a crazy person. I can't believe you did. Carson Wentz is so much better than Nick Foles, it's not even close. Nick Foles. Super Bowl champion.

Super Bowl MVP, Super Bowl champ, fractured clavicle while throwing a dime. Sure. Yeah. That's great. What do they do with Gardner Minshew, by the way, down there? Oh, I think we're in full-blown quarterback controversy. Oh, my God. They're going to have to trade him out. They're going to have to trade him out.

The marketing team is like, listen, all we can sell with Nick Foles is his huge dick and you're not letting us talk about that. But Gardner Minshew is sunglasses, America, and mustaches. And they gave away a... I don't want to... I mean, maybe the Jacksonville Jaguars marketing team listens to the show,

but I said if Gardner Minshew played for the Dallas Cowboys, Jerry Jones would be giving out mustaches and headbands. He'd be in his owner's box with a mustache on. Jaguars did that this last week. The Jaguars are actually doing that. When Nick Foles comes back, what are they going to do? They're going to be like, oh, this is fun, but I mean, there's an

electric factory on the sideline down there that we all have mustaches that we're wearing. Nick Foles was going to be that quarterback of that team for the max three years. Gardner Minshew, you have him on a sixth-round pick deal for the next four years. You can build up around him. All those Jacksonville defenders that they thought they had to get rid of to pay Nick Foles, guess what? You can stay. You can stay.

Like, you get a salary. You get a salary. The thing about that that's interesting. Yannick Ngakwe, you can stay now. He's Jalen Ramsey's in Houston, night of the game thing about that that's interesting. Yannick Ngakwe, you can stay now. He's Jalen Ramsey. He's in Houston, night of the game, where the team's in Carolina. Finally, we have what I've been waiting for, a hold in. Fuck a hold out.

We're holding in. Ooh, my back hurts. Ooh, my wife's pregnant. This is what you do to get. I don't think you just make up your wife's pregnant. I didn't see any baby pictures on Instagram. Wasn't that supposed to happen last week? Was this a fake baby? Did she go to labor? Yeah, because him and Doug Marone talked

before the year. I didn't see a picture. I'm not saying, because I like... Private. No, you want to keep it private. Yeah, like, I hope Mason Rudolph's okay. You know what I mean? Like, of course I hope Jalen Ramsey had the baby and everything's okay. I was on Get Up the morning that it was announced that Jalen Ramsey was sick. Yeah.

And he was missing that first day or whatever. I'm sure Rex Ryan was like, this is bullshit. Yeah, Rex was, and then Dan buried him, and then Greeny asked me, and I was like, so I guess we're automatically assuming that he isn't actually sick, so... It's like the Beyonce, like, oh, I guess there wasn't anything there.

I don't know. No, I just, I love what Jalen Ramsey's doing. These players have no rights. They, like, when negotiating, like, oh, I guess there wasn't anything there. I don't know. No, I just love what Jalen Ramsey is doing. These players have no rights. They would negotiate. Like, the fact that Stefan Diggs, when they find him, they could have removed all of his guaranteed money. $40 million or something like that. So this is the second time this offseason.

One is Antonio Brown, who's now had 40 guaranteed, 10 from the Patriots, 30 from the Raiders, and now Diggs. And I thought that was the only part of the contract that was a lock and now you're telling me that the owners have all these little clauses you miss a practice and I can take away 30 million dollars guaranteed? Like the NFL

contracts are such bullshit. You know who's really good though? Demore Smith that guy can really negotiate a contract. I'm happy he's still around I'm sure the NFL PA is going to fare very well in this next negotiation with that guy at the helm. I didn't sign up, by the way, to the NFLPA my last year in the league, my last two years in the league.

What did that change for you? Nothing. I guess I didn't get my Madden check or something like that, but I was like, fuck this. Because they do, the way the NFLPA, they come in after like a 10-hour day on like a Wednesday. Then they show you footage of what the NFL used to be back when guys had to work three jobs and play and what the NFL PA has done and saved lives and shit

like that. And you ask one question, like I've asked one question before. I was like, well, excuse me. Like, um,

you guys sold like t-shirt rights to some company with the boomstick thing in like my name basically and i'm seeing like two dollars per shirt there when they're selling for like 30 bucks how come i wasn't asked like if that's okay they're like well we negotiated those rights for you uh and we just thought more money or whatever i was like yeah but the colts didn't help me build a boomstick or bad like i did all that work on my twitter yes and i don't know how you guys just think that's they're like well it's just more income coming to you i'm like like, two bucks per shirt, by the way, is not real income. That's fake income.

I would like to know how much you guys are making off those shirts. They're like, oh, we can open the books for you if you need to, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, yeah, I got nothing but time. And they're like, oh, we'll get to that at a later time. And then whenever I was in the NFL substance abuse program, you're only supposed to get tested eight times a month for like the first couple months. And then they're supposed to, if you prove that you're doing everything accurate, kind of

relax on you. I was tested eight times a month for 27 months straight and I reached out to the NFL PA like four different times. I was like, hey, I feel like they're fucking me a little bit here. Is there any way you can fight? Nobody would answer me. I got a text back three months later that said, you good, dog? And I was like, yeah, I'm fucking good, dog.

Just get out of here. And then I didn't sign back up. like, yeah, I'm fucking good, dog. Just get out of here. And then I didn't sign back up. I was like, I'm not fucking doing this. I'm out. I have a theory that a lot of the people that work for the players quietly think the players are dumb. Oh, yes. You should see the way they talk. That's what's so annoying is that they stand up there and they talk badly about the players that run through their money. about the players that run through their money,

or they talk badly about the players that ruin their career with drugs, instead of talking about them as partners and people that are going through hard things. Don't be an idiot like this guy and lose all your money. Why are you talking about another player like an idiot? And then what happens is you stand in front of a group of 90 guys in the preseason or 53, and they kind of talk down to them. And that's just been my issue with with why i stand for players all the time it's no one has their backs i saw demorey smith at three different events on

the super bowl and he had three different suits on in one day and i was like that guy's making too much money it was just optically i was like this fucking guy couldn't get me out of getting tested eight times a month for 27 months where my life is just being how close does the guy's face get to your crotch when you're taking the drug test oh he's right there like six inches no he's standing it is like probably an arm's length i feel like you could have had so many joke opportunities with that bro 27 months eight times a month do the math that's like 200 and some literally eight times 27 216 I got tested 216 times in 27 months. I don't even know if I pee that much. I pee a lot.

And by the way, I can do it wherever, whatever. I was tested in a—I could pee right now if I had to. Really? Yeah, no problem at all. I was first tested in a Hilton lobby in Charlotte, North Carolina. What would you say your X-Men ability is though? Everybody has one. I don't think I know what that means.

Like you have an ability that like is unique to you that you're really good at, even if it's big or small, that would be your superhuman ability. Anytime a camera comes on, I can be electric. That's great. I think you for real have a photographic memory, like a thousand percent. That's pretty good too you for real have a photographic memory like a thousand percent that's pretty good like real one i can get uh uber drivers to uh stop talking to me at the drop of a hat i do uber here in new york i don't like to uber the quiet preferred is not even it's like alberto riveron with the past interference review i'm gonna teach you

one line that'll change the rest of your life. You start talking, everything is great. And then you go, Hey, I apologize if I fall asleep. And then they go, Oh, Oh, don't even worry about it. I'm not asking if I can fall asleep. I'm pre-apologizing because I want to talk to you, but I might fall asleep. And then they go, I want to make you so comfortable that that happens. And they shut the fuck that is brilliant another good one is i'm pretty good taking selfies you got good angles no well i just i'm pretty good at handling the phone very quickly when people have i don't remember my passcode or they can't find their camera no big deal i got you i'm also one of my greatest abilities is constructing the perfect last bite because I'm fat. So I put, layer it up.

You're not fat, by the way. You're in very good shape. We're about, no, I'm about to lose a lot. I'm about to try and lose 15, 20, Pat. It's time. I should probably do the same thing. I'm gaining. You want to do it together?

Well, it's because it's football season. So we're working like fucking crazy. In our moments, we're like, I'll eat 17 M&Ms. I need that. You want to put a quick, we'll put $1,000 on it. All right. So what? Damn it.

This is dumb. But I need it. You need it too. I need it too. That's what I'm saying. I'm willing to give up the $1,000. All right. So tomorrow is.

I do. I have heavy organs. So I've talked about that my entire life. I love those. But that's good if it's the weight loss thing. It's not that big of a deal. All right. So I'm down for this.

All right. So how much time? Okay. So it's October 8th. Yeah. Tuesday, October 8th. November 8th. We have a weigh-in.

Oh, shit. You want to go just a month? Okay. But we can't. Listen, we had a weight loss challenge at our office. Yeah, I remember. Zito, who's in the headphone right now, he literally just took meth for like a month. I'm not going to do that.

No, it has to be. I just said I'm not going to take meth for a month. Lost 50 pounds, though. By the way, me neither. Okay, fair. No meth. He lost no meth. Okay, that's off the table.

Deal? No meth. No meth. He lost 50 pounds in one month. I am not going to do that. That's incredible. Okay, let's do this. We'll do this together.

We'll do it for charity. This is good. This is going to help both of our careers. We won't compete against each other. We'll each weigh in each week. For the number of pounds that we lose combined, we'll donate to charity a certain amount. Like, that's the worst thing

that people do, is they volunteer your money to charity. Like, I'm trying to take his fucking money, and now I'm giving it to old Susie Q down there at the hospital. Well, by the way, Susan G. Komen, I guess, runs a big hustle, from what I've been told. We can't even give to Susan G. Komen on the internet. We tried to sell four of the brand shirts with a pink ribbon on it. We're going to give it the Susan G. Komen on the internet. We tried to sell it for the brand shirts

with a pink ribbon on it. We're going to give it to Susan G. Komen. All we got was a bunch of tweets about this Susan lady being a fucking thief. They're like, nah, they take 80% of the money. I like the month thing better. Let's do the month because I want like a full competition. Yeah, but I can't do that because I will literally just not eat for the next month. I'll be miserable. I won't

be able to make it. Okay, so every week? Yeah, but I think we should be together not compete against each other okay together united together forever forever and we'll give away shit for if we hit our goals deal so we'll give away shit if we hit our goals like for the brand stuff yeah yeah mcafee stuff yes great left coast stuff bleacher report hat bleach Report hat or two. I got those. Maybe a Bleach Report tour. I can do tours. See that?

We'll give away things if we hit. Damn. Together, though, we have to hit a certain. All right. My fiance's going to love this shit. By the way, how's it going? Forever's a long time. No, but you mean like being a fiance?

You know, I feel like I'm not the best fiance. No. Same. I've been so busy. I'm so neglectful'm not the best fiance. No, same. I've been so busy. I'm so neglectful. I am so busy. Oh yeah, she's like,

have you taken a look at what I sent you? And I was like, I don't even know what you're talking about. Oh, wedding planning is fantastic. It's the best.

When's the date? Haven't announced it yet. Okay. Mine's going to be in July. It's the only time of the year where there's nothing going on. My wedding, by the way,

is a good way to wrap this whole thing up. Incidentally, on the same day that Sims got married. Very upset by it. By the way, shout out to Sims. I like him. I'm a fan now. I just sent some water across the thing. Congrats, Chris Sims.

Just earned a fan or two. We'll see. Oh, baby. I'll give him a shot. I'll give him a shot. That makes a big difference. It does. Saying that he works his ass off is a big deal for me.

Yeah. I don't need to lose weight. I'm sweating over here like I fucking ate a hamburger in the fucking... Okay, so the first week we have to lose 10 pounds. 10 pounds in a week? Combined. Okay. Damn.

I'm down. So next Monday. Tuesday. Tuesday. This comes out on Tuesday. Yeah. October 15th. I'm going straight vegan.

I'm just going to try to work out just a little bit. I think that is what I've currently not been doing. Don't get too much muscle mass, though. I know. I got some fat to trim, though. So we got to lose 10 pounds combined this first week, and then we'll adjust as we go to see how we do. And if we do it, I'll donate to charity, and we'll give some stuff away. Sounds good.

I'll donate to charity, too. Yeah, you will. Ladies and gentlemen, from the report of the bleachers, a man whose brain is impeccable. He's going to skyrocket in this whole world, I think. I honestly do. Especially with your basketball coverage. Amen. About to turn up a notch.

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