The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 118 - Super Bowl Champ, AJ Hawk, Is All The Way Back & Some Phoners

Episode Date: October 17, 2019

On today's show, Pat and the guys are joined by Super Bowl Champion, 10 year NFL veteran, former Linebacker for the Green Bay Packers and Cincinnati Bengals, and good friend of the show, AJ Hawk. They discuss what he has been up too as of late, as he and Pat explain the difficulties with calling college football games and how their short term memory works. AJ also chats about his method for avoiding concussions his entire playing career from high school to college to the NFL, how impressed he has been with defenses so far this NFL season, who he thinks the best teams in the NFC are, and if the Colts are good enough to knock the Patriots off in the AFC. AJ and Pat also catch up and tell a few stories in an absolutely hilarious interview (2:33-54:35). Also included are some phone calls that didn't make it to live air from the radio show with topics including the issues with the NFL refs and how implementing a review system similar to tennis might be a viable option, whether or not the 49ers are the best team in the NFC, and what the chances of survival are for the XFL, and other leagues similar to it. It's a good one. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We are live in Chinatown in San Francisco. We recorded a conversation with AJ Hawk that you are going to find entertaining, I think. Every time he and I chat, it just brightens my day. The dude's fucking hilarious. And he was incredible at football. I'm very

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earth that you choose to listen to the show. And, yeah, my life is a dumb one. I may or may not have stopped at a dispensary just a little bit ago and have been thinking deeply about my life. But I'm very thankful for all of you. And hopefully we continue to enjoy the hell out of this together. Cheers. Here's a great conversation with a Super Bowl champ. He's on his computer. can you turn that thing sideways my computer no does it work yeah yeah can you hear us good i can't hear myself oh you sound good over here

we sound you sound good with us all right i can can't hear myself. Oh, you sound good over here. You sound good with us. All right. I can kind of hear myself. I hate that, though, by the way, when I can't hear me, mostly because everybody else gets to hear my greatness. Why can't I? Yep. That's how I feel about you.

Love hearing your greatness. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man who has a license plate that says Ohio State legend. He's a man who played in the nfl for a long time super bowl champion incredibly handsome linebacker aj hawk pat so i don't know if you i'm sure you don't know this but so i do an add to an mma show on sirius just once a week and my co-host rj clifford heard one time i guess when you he listens to your show or all your shows whatever the hell you do now and he he took off like when we started the show he used

your like 30 second intro of me as the start of the show and he surprised me with it he was so juicy loved it well you are a man who needs no introduction because the world knows of your greatness i have gotten a chance to um i would say become friends with you in a manner that not a lot of people do and you're electric on a microphone and whenever I got a chance to call game with you Texas Tech Baylor that was a blast when we got through the podcast again that was a blast every time I talk to you I enjoy the hell out of it now you're starting to get chirpy about the refs which is not not an A.J. Hawk thing to do, by the way. It seems as if you've joined the – you've forded the river.

You're all in on these refs thinking. Am I accurate with that? I mean, I don't know if I was – I don't know. I guess I made one tweet just asking about the dude listening to his earpiece coming from New York, which I thought, yeah, this is – I had the idea that why don't we sell this as a, let's bring some new revenue in and let's open that audio up for people and you could

pay $4.99 a month or something. I don't know. I think a lot of people would pay for that and I think they should run it on the networks during the game. They should cut to that audio sometimes. You know when they cut to the audio now of players that are mic'd up and it's terrible. You just hear people grunting and say, let's do it. Let's do it, guys.

Okay, cool. Think about it. If we could hear the back and forth from New York and the refs on the field, I think that'd be interesting. I would enjoy it. I agree completely. I think there should also be somebody up in a booth

that kind of has their ear anytime he wants with like a bunch of 22 camera exos thing type thing where as soon as the flag is thrown like the uh hands to the face illegal hands in the face on monday night they can just drop into cleat blakeman's ear and be like oh yeah you guys fucked that up you guys fucked that up just go ahead and pick that flag up yeah i mean it would be cool but i think it just it would probably slow the game down even that much how how would that slow it down if the guy is with it let's say they have you or let's say they have another good football mind up there

somebody doesn't want to be a ref but doesn't mind helping the game and you're sitting there and you have all 52 right and you have the exos thing which we are all very adept and skillful with and we can do it and we have the 4k camera shots that all the tvs have we can make that i mean i'm watching those replays as are that all the tvs have we can make that i mean i'm watching those replays as are you decisions are being we can i can make the decision like this and i would assume you can as well it's almost embarrassing to watch how long they have to review things whenever you see something it's like boom that's an easy answer that's right there have that person just up there and be like you know what we need to take a longer look at it

actually let's challenge this let's review this here, let's make this a quicker operation. I think it will speed it up, personally. I mean, it should. In theory, it should speed it up. But, you know, like whenever you get more people involved, usually it messes things up. So you've got to do a really good job of who that person is on staff or who the people are in New York reviewing all these plays.

That person would be in a stadium, I think. Okay. Well, yeah, then I I agree I think this should happen I just don't think it will and you know the new uh CBA is they claim they're already negotiating a little bit and there's some back and forth well you know the PA is not going to get anything new there's not going to be anything groundbreaking why not give the the PA something to fight for and say let's open it up let's make it transparent open this audio up and let's hear it. Hey, we're getting fucked. How about we like to hear a riot?

That'd be great. Did you talk to refs a lot as a middle linebacker, as a quarterback for the defense? Did you have a lot of interaction with the refs? Yeah, I would talk to them. I usually try to butter them up and just tell them hello and try to watch out for the cheap shots and dudes coming at my legs. And if it was my guy Jeff Triplett, I stayed away from him and would try to yeah man i i still have a hard time with that guy i'm like that with walt

anderson i hate walt why it involves a trip to england he and i went on and uh i had a great cadence i had a good you know and uh he called me for a false start and made Vinatieri kick a 38-yard extra point instead of the nose tackle that obviously fell off sides because of my incredible cadence. He refused to admit my greatness with my cadence and called it on me and made Vinatieri's life harder, made me a bad guy in the locker room, blah, blah, blah. Vinatieri made the kick. It's nonetheless, but Walt Anderson screwed me. I got it. Well, hey, you see, so my boy Nuge is kicking for the Patriots now. If you saw when he...

Nuge. I know he missed his first extra point there, I guess, but then he's been doing all right. And then he had that kick, what, last week? And he kicked straight laces. How tough is that to do? I wish they would have... They ran it back and they showed it, at least, when they came back from commercial because I saw when they did. I'm like, man, he kicked their laces. They didn't get that thing turned. And then they said, like, man, he kicked the laces. They didn't get that thing turned.

And then they said, oh, look, he kicked the laces, and then they just moved past it. That's when I wish someone like you was there to say how difficult it is to actually kick the laces. Well, when you're kicking the laces, you're kicking where the ball is actually coming together. So it's like that's where the air and the compression and science can send that thing a little bit astray

because it looked like it was going straight, and then it just kind of hooked to the left. And the interesting thing there was the holder actually seemed to spin the laces straight back to him, which is a situation that happens because when you catch that ball, it's the snapper's job in the NFL, by the way. It is the snapper's job to snap the laces the same place every single time. That is what they're being judged upon. That is what they're being paid for.

So the laces are supposed to be somewhere near the front every single time that is what they're being judged upon that is what they're being uh paid for so the laces are supposed to be somewhere near the front every single time that is literally what the the snapper is being paid for so every time and i think it was you know obviously the finkel einhorn situation where marino took the blame for the laces laces out dan which i think back then it was probably on the holder more so than anything but now now in the NFL that we live in where there's a designated long snapper, it is that person's job to get the laces forward at least a bit so the holder can make a play. And as a holder, when you're watching the ball come back, just like a batter, you're trying to find the laces.

So as soon as you catch it, you hope that your hands are either on it or you found it. There's a dead space where your hands aren't at which is basically right at your left titty if you're holding for a right-handed kicker that's exactly where it was and you panic because you're trying to find it and sometimes you can just spin that some straight backwards you're like oh you get to the point where it's a bit too late and at that moment you can really, honestly, laces can fuck up the direction of a kick a lot. It can fuck up the length of the kick a lot.

And Nugent had really no shot there. It takes a lot of mental toughness to battle through a laces staring straight back at you because you know if you don't hit it completely clean, that thing's going to turn. And if you don't hit it as hard as you can, that thing's going to fall short. So it's a big mental toughness thing that Nent could have got through but he definitely was fucked for sure dude do kickers practice kicking the laces well not mine obviously uh because you were never going to put them in that position i did i used to do a lot of drills a lot of drills we did the other

day in here and i don't even think the guys knew we were doing it, where I would have four guys just lobbing balls at my face, and I would be catching it, finding the laces, and spinning it forward. So I'd just be playing catch with people, but I'd find the laces and bring it forward. So as a young guy, which that guy is, he's a rookie, I don't think he's had enough reps to really get there. Because it's only like once or twice, maybe every couple weeks, you you got to help your snapper because the snapper is normally very consistent you got to do it but when that time comes aj it's organized chaos down there you got to be playing like you're on a fucking guitar playing like acdc you got to spin that thing for when it pays off

he's a little bit young he'll get there but it is very difficult. It is. Nuge, is he good? Is he going to be good? Yeah, Nuge is good. I mean, he's 37 years old. He's been doing it forever. Nuge, he's got a cannon of a leg, man. He can do it. I'm happy that they signed him. Everybody else didn't seem like they were going to be Patriot guys.

You know, to play for the Patriots, you've got to have a certain thing about you. The Patriots seem to be incredible this year, and it's their defense that is really not being talked about enough what do you think about that Patriots defense up there AJ I apologize for interrupting this incredible conversation it's going to continue to get better as can your life with our new sponsor Ashford University is a higher education at your own pace operation Ashford University is a WSCUC accredited institution that offers innovative online degree programs that can help you achieve your higher education

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Well, they have some players. Think about it. They brought in Jamie Collins, good pickup after the Browns let him go. Brought him back. The dude's super productive. Kyle Vannoy is an absolute monster. This dude from BYU, I feel like he found his – he was in Detroit for, what, two, three, four years, I feel like, and didn't really have the right role for him.

Obviously, the Patriots found the right role. They got Hightower. The linebackers are legit. Did they find a way? I don't know, man. That's the Patriots. That's what they do. It feels like defensive football is coming back.

You got the Bears defense winning them games, the Niners defense winning them the games, now the Patriots defense is winning them games. That has to feel pretty good for the state of football. That defense is starting to be worth a fuck I guess I didn't really look at it that way

I mean I think it's yeah it's good but still does anyone want to see a 10 to 6 football game or a 14 to 9 you make that a 9-6 game I'm there for it five field goals i'm fucking all in let's go let's see the talent out there you know what i mean yeah i know the good thing is for the audio people you're standing up i don't know what you're doing i know you're you're an hour 19 of of the day already for shows that you're doing there we go i love this setup

you have yeah there's new setup in your your and this isn't your mobile studio i guess but you're in indie and it's like you do stand up you you stay in there and you you have like monologues like you're uh what's his name jimmy fallon easy easy aj we're gonna dump that i'm trying to this is good i'm trying to do a whole podcast to where none of it is used. Aaron Rodgers seems happy, man. You're a good friend of his. So are you.

You know what? I think I am, actually. He and I are champions together. We got a chance to win a golf tournament together. I wish you would have came down to that. Why was AJ not there? You weren't invited to that golf tournament in Bahamas? I saw him right before he went to that then afterwards he loved you down there no i mean i i don't think i'm good enough golfer to play in that anyway me neither aj me neither you have a great swing your swing looks legit though thank you thank you i agree

i wish the ball would fucking know that it'd be cool if the ball knew that my swing looked like it was supposed to look you know what i mean the ball just doesn't go anywhere where it's supposed to go so how are you doing though like honestly are you are you on the verge of a heart attack with the schedule you're keeping up right now uh mental collapse maybe i don't think heart attack i think the only thing that's going to kill me is is exhaustion but i'm at this point now and i tweeted this out and i really meant it you know you catch like a second wind there late night like 2 3 a.m if you haven't slept but you're just like your body's like oh we're back i honestly believe i'm on to my third one and it's it's a good one this

third wind is a good one i just feel good i just know that i'm going to be exhausted and the body just has reacted well i'm pretty proud of my body to be honest i thought i abused it so much younger that it wouldn't be able to do this but it's reacting very well right now have you well i'm sure when you when you travel and you're on the road you're getting up early before you go on these early shows and do everything that you're getting in the weight room getting a good workout in aren't you hey jay you were you were cut off so i figure your arms look pretty good man i'm like all right pat's still still getting it in i travel with bands i travel with bands i do those band workouts every morning in the hotel and every night in the hotel and i'm just doing arms i'm just doing buys and tries and shrugs so it looks like i'm working out so

i am so thankful for what you just said it feels like my workout routine is completely vindicated it's all paying off boy i mean you you kind of have to You force yourself to do that by wearing cut off sweatshirts Five days out of seven What am I wearing right now AJ? A long sleeve For the brand sweatshirt Which you can buy now at store.pandasho.com You can buy this now

I like the sleeveless Because you don't have to do much abs or chest You just have to do arms which is what I do So it works out perfect Don't you feel weird though Do you ever see anybody i'm sure obviously people love you and i'll put it up for the bread and they want to like you take a picture or something do you feel weird like when you're putting your armpit on them if you put your arm around them i don't put my arm

around people whenever i have sleeveless i i i have a little bit of couth thank you i've been doing a lot of the arms in front like kind of cross type things so I can flex the tris. You know what I mean? Or in a picture. I've been trying my best. Please do that. I'm going to look to see. In the next week or so, post a picture where you're just like it's 100%. You can see that you're flexing, but it's not like a full go flex, but it's like you're trying to hide it.

But no, you're giving a nice little tricep extension all right it's for you and for me i do that in every if you've ever seen my hand in my pocket too that's the classic go-to for me it's just full hand in the pocket literally my arms start shaking you know what i mean you're a smart man thank you so much it means a lot what have you been up to? You got your MMA show you do once a week. You talk the football. Where do you talk the football at? Yeah, I don't know. All over.

I do. You know, I got a serious show today. I do a day on the Big Ten channel. I do the NFL channel, whatever. I'm traveling, doing games on weekends. Oh, you're calling games. You're calling games. Yeah, I do a bunch of Conference USA stuff.

So, yeah, I've been doing all. I've been, you know, running around, man. I like doing the games. How do you? of conference usa stuff so yeah i've been doing all i've been you know running around man i like doing the games how do you so you it's thursday night you do thursday night games you and hasselbeck what adam and mean you guys are good you're a good crew it's fun to watch you how do you like being there and doing it consistently now it's a this is quite a grueling schedule i don't think i expected like the coaches meetings the day before the studying you have to do and then the traveling to these Tiny towns that have these incredible colleges at and then traveling out of it And then I got the daily show the schedule has been one that has been quite a kick in the taint

But I've been enjoying the games themselves like if you could just airdrop me Into the booth just for the game. I would love that I would absolutely love that. But I don't think I had enough respect for everything else that goes on with calling the game, if that makes sense. Absolutely. You're like, have you heard rock stars say this? They're like, man, they've been touring for 30 years,

selling out stadiums and arenas, and they're like, man, how do you still do it? Isn't it a grind? I'm like, those two and a half hours I'm on stage, that's it. I live for that. Like, everything else, hate it with a passion. I don't know if I hate everything. I don't know.

I think you do. I know you're a positive guy. You've got to play this character. But, yeah, I know you do. It's not a character. I don't think I hate it. I just don't think I respected the grind If it is enough whenever I was just saying Yes to everything in the off season

Hey you want to have a daily show yeah You want to do get up in New York on Monday yeah You want to do Thursday night football In random towns for 13 weeks yeah You want to do this WWE NXT stuff yeah you want to do WWE watch along stuff yeah And when I was just saying that I didn't

Think I had enough respect for any of the Fucking any saying that I didn't think I had enough respect for any of the fucking any of them I don't think I had enough respect for any of them so now we're just balls deep in the middle of it the body's caught the third wind and to be honest that Thursday night football thing is the most tasking because of the traveling and then the studying and then the game and then the traveling home get home so I I just that's what I learned I think the most is I don't i didn't respect enough it's literally just like gobble up all the information i can cram cram cram cram cram and then hopefully the brain remembers the shit and i can just spew it out

on national television and i'm never gonna remember it again we got ucla uh stanford again this week i called ucla's game i guess what a month and a half ago i don't remember shit about that team i couldn't even tell you a single thing it was just a cram and purge situation i don't know a single thing about him so what's gonna happen i'm gonna have to just scoop like fucking zeke in that cereal bowl just all the information i could possibly get and then hopefully shit it out right i almost called one team the same team as the team from the week before i mean it's been an interesting situation i don't think i've respected enough but you've been doing this now for years and years and years. Do you have any tips for me, anything that I could potentially learn from?

Well, I mean, I've been doing it for, I guess, going on two years now, but you're 100% right. You're working games. So the games I'm doing, luckily I have some of the same teams a few times, but, yeah, there's times I'm doing these high school games for Adidas. I'm doing five of them. You talk about not knowing players and not being able to really find film to watch on them. I've got to go find their Twitter accounts of highlights that they post themselves.

So that's what I do and try to learn that stuff. So you've got to call it like you know it, but you do. You've got to find all this information. But I'm like you. I think my brain is similar to you in that way to where I'll get done calling a game and I someone would be like oh what happened I'm like oh uh North Texas won like what's the score I'm like I have no idea like I don't I guess I just I'm there I do it and I move on like I don't know there's something I can just it flushes instantly when I'm done with something that

happens with me with every show I do by the way like I have I think people would argue that I have one of the best memories probably on earth at this point i am very very proud of my memory very very proud of it no no yeah i am okay i'm very proud of my memory i feel good about it i mean granted there's probably some scholar out there who has a good memory that i could probably battle against if i fucking had to you know that scoreboard game where they like match the pictures bang every time i knock that thing out before it even starts uh just the the way there was a person that came and talked to the team and he was this guy he was like a motivational guy i forget what he was he was a rookie he lined up i think 16 letters and numbers on the screen right he flashed up on the screen and i looked at it and i was probably high in there so i was like take a deep breath what the fuck does this mean i thought it was like uh like uh as soon as

possible type thing so i was trying to figure it out i was like okay bring the bread back to the chopping block i don't know if that's right 16 times and then the guy turns it off and like five minutes later he goes who can tell me what was on that screen up there or whatever and i was like oh it's fucking easy it's uh btbccb to 16 and he was like uh uh nobody's ever answered that before and my thing was going to be his entire thing was basically we're going to start paying attention to things more if we want to embrace blah blah blah and i basically just fucked this entire guy's this entire guy's thing i just completely fucked it i just completely ruined it all because i was just inquisitive at it so i really trust my brain but in the short-term memory like i'll lose my bottle in 30 seconds when i put it down that thing's gone forever i have no idea what it is and when i come out of a show i have

no clue what we just talked about i'll walk right out of the show after doing a show for two hours and somebody calls me to me like, okay, what are some clips we should cut to send to Westwood One to potentially pitch to other shows? I'm like, I don't fucking know. Did you listen? I don't have a single clue. What is that about us, you think?

What is that that it just all spews out? And then later I'll be able to remember it, but in the moment I have no idea. I don't know. Maybe are we on the spectrum a little bit? I would assume. I mean, I i think you know what that is you know like like rain man you're basically rain man i think i am that's why i want to read that 21 book by the way because i think i could potentially get banned from uh casinos if i had to okay i have a question for both of you when you both played football did

that happen like do you remember every single play or after the game you just completely forget? I didn't remember shit. Yeah, I don't have one of those memories either. We get done with games, and I knew if we won or lost. But preseason games, I never knew if we won or lost. But regular season, I would know if we won. I rarely would know the score. And I couldn't go back and tell you certain – like like I don't have a photographic memory like that. I don't have the recall.

And I've talked to Aaron about that. I think all great quarterbacks have it, Aaron Rodgers. He can tell you any play. Like he'll tell me stuff about my career that I have no clue about. Like, well, you know, 2011 we were playing the Panthers, and you guys – you brought a blitz on third down, and you kind of got like tripped up. You know, I think you had a little like –

you tweaked your groin in practice that week or something and you guys had you were playing a lot of quarters coverage in the red zone they just kind of ate us up i'm like what but he had that's how his brain works and that's part of the reason he's so good and i think a lot of quarterbacks have that crazy recall that's why they're playing like five steps ahead of everybody else they had that sean mcveigh video where he called back to what play he was probably going to call or what he did call. And then LeBron did that into full breakdown of whatever. And, you know, sometimes when LeBron speaks, it's very regrettable shit.

But then sometimes when LeBron speaks, it's very insightful and entertaining. I honestly do. I wonder why that happens, why some people can recall everything that happens at a moment immediately. And then some people like us, I could even guess guess i couldn't even guess what happens out there like every once in a while they do those sunday night uh recap shows on local news or whatever and i would you know go get food or whatever with my family and then i would turn on local news like one of my teammates would be on there and they'd be, so what do you think happened in the second quarter? And you could obviously tell that my teammate had no fucking idea.

I mean, we were just playing the game. He's like, yeah, you saw us kind of get after them, and then they're showing highlights of us getting crushed, and he's like, and then obviously they were doing well. I think that happens to a lot of people. Honestly, I think it does, because you kind of get into a game. There's a question.

Do you think you get into a zone almost? Yeah, I think you're, it's like when you call a game, like you said, you have to gobble all this information up. You got to get out there. Okay, hopefully I got this. You're sitting there for two and a half hours calling a game, and then all of a sudden it gets done. You're like, whew, all right, cool.

It's gone. I think that's how it is kind of when you're playing. You're leading up to it all week. You're preparing. You know the game plan. You know what their tendencies are. Here's what they do in second and medium. Here's what they likely come out with the first play of a drive.

All this stuff. And then for me at least, I would live in that moment, I guess, and the game's over. And maybe I was just mentally exhausted. I don't know what I was. Or I just realized, like, okay, well, we're on to the next one. Who cares? Let's keep it moving. My favorite thing was when i realized that it's going to happen with me calling games too

just like it does with shows and football and everything else and stand up everything it happens in everything for me where i just don't immediately afterwards i can't remember anything that just happened i'm just in there doing it that first game they're like all right coming back from half what do you want to recap about in the first half and i was like oh does anybody have any thoughts let me go to twitter real quick see what everybody else is thinking i was like i don't even remember that first step well do you think the quarterback did well i was like ah i think right he threw pretty good tonight here i'm looking to highlight me on twitter saying this guy's got a cannon of an arm. Let's talk about that. I don't remember any of it.

I don't know how people departmentalize, I guess, the short-term memory with the long-term. I don't know. That's a flaw of mine, I think, and I'll hopefully get better. No, it's not a flaw. I think that's a reason why you're so good in the moment because you're not thinking about the next moment. Yeah, I'm a checkers player.

I'm not a chess player. Everybody knows that. I am. What can happen right now that can help me jump over the person right in front of me and get it done that's that's all i'm trying to do i'm not planning there's no four moves ahead if it all works out it all works out but right now i'm just trying to get kinged bitch yeah are you a sudoku player no that's a lot of thinking i have no idea how sudoku works i can't and when people try to oh mean, it's super easy.

And I'm not a numbers guy anyway. I basically have a learning disability when it comes to math, too. So it's not my thing at all, thinking of Sudoku. Chess, I wish I knew how to play chess. People try to explain it to me. Do you play checkers, though? I just don't have the attention span to want to learn how to play chess. Can you play checkers, though?

I think I could be a pretty good checkers player that's what i think i think checkers is like street smart chess is more like the book smart people who are like planning along i think checkers is more like reactionary like let's figure this out right now as opposed to any it's just like wheel of fortune versus jeopardy i'm a wheel of fortune guy not a jeopardy guy i would assume all the people in wheel of fortune are also checkers players and also street smart individuals where the book smart people love jeopardy they love um chess and i would assume they are very much uh much more intelligent people with more degrees than us yeah i get it depends how you define intelligence is would you rather be and i know your answer probably wouldn't you rather be street smart and have self-awareness than be

super book smart not but also like not know how to turn on a laundry machine or a washing machine yeah i mean i'm not saying i know how to do that i would much rather be uh common sense human than somebody else that's all that's all that matters and especially for your profession and what you do obviously if you're a astrophysicist or something, yeah, you want to be book smart. Street smarts don't matter as much. I would love for my doctor to be an incredibly book smart individual to save my fucking life. Like, if that guy sucks at checkers, I'm completely okay with it. Just put my knee back together and make sure my heart's still beating.

That's awesome. But I think there is a vital role for the common sense humans that isn't really happening at the current moment. digs has a question here for you he's been antsy i'm excited to hear it did i yeah i thought so are you just enjoying the conversation enjoying the conversation i also did want to know are those the real color of your eyes that is a great question i think you wear contacts piercing what color are my eyes it's like a blue blue right there piercing blue right blue they are they're blue These are not contacts. Should I get some contacts? No, no, no, no, no, no.

People are getting contacts that look like your eyes. No, people used to get contacts. I'm sure you play with guys that wear like the red ones. Did you see that, Pat? What was that dude say? Vanden Bosch. Kyle Vanden Bosch. I talked about this during the Dapgate conversation.

We played against the Lions, and I was a captain. Vanden Bosch was a captain. We walked out there. He had those red fucking contacts in, and I i shook his hands and i looked in the eyes of satan i was like holy shit look at this guy in the entire coin toss i just stared at him he didn't blink i thought his eyes would get dry he didn't blink and he walked away and i was like oh intimidation this guy little rascals wherever the fuck their name was i honestly loved it but i think people used to do the blue contacts and the green and the white

and all that shit. Yeah. I don't know. I've never worn contacts. No, but Kyle VandenBosch, probably my favorite football player of all time. Oh, let's dig in a little deeper. Because of the red contacts? Yeah, I played against him so many times.

I just watched how crazy. He would chase dudes down, and he looked like the dude with the nail in his head and happy to kill him. just watched how crazy he would run. He would chase dudes down and he looked like the dude with the nail on his head and watching like that dude, how he hustled. Like you could put on any play of this guy at any time. And you'd be like, Hey guys, you know,

we talk about effort all the time. I don't need to say anything. Just watch this dude. He will run 240 yards in one play, just chasing the ball. He is that serious. And he does it every single play, every game, and then he's the scariest human ever that every single offensive lineman

doesn't want to go near, every fullback tries to stay away from. He was the complete monster. I love the dude. He was awesome. Then he ended up breaking his neck, I think, at some point in Detroit and wasn't really able to come back too much from it. But, yeah, he was amazing. The thought of a guy just running forever and being an animal, you gotten a chance to see quentin nelson play football yet yeah

he's the first person down the field no matter what it is if it's a run if it's a pass he's spreading all over the place a i have no idea how his knees are holding up a wreck it ralph size man who's run 70 yards down the field he's the first person there but he just seems to be an absolute bruiser. If you're a linebacker preparing for somebody that's a mauler like that who also has great finesse, Josh Sitton told us that he has great finesse and he utilizes people's leverage and things like that.

What is the preparation going into a week knowing that you've got a fucking animal on the other side? It's terrible, especially when he's a guard. Guards and centers are who I had to take on a lot. And there's no way around them. You can't really run away from a guy like Quentin Nelson, and he gets to the second level so fast. You mentioned Sitton.

That's how Sitton was. Sitton's a guard. Sitton was like a master of using leverage, and he was so cock strong. He didn't look like it. Sitton probably couldn't bench 300 pounds, but he was so strong on the field, and you know how to use your leverage. But a guy like Quentin Nelson, too, when he's that physically gifted, but then, like you said, strong on the field. And you know how to use your leverage, but a guy like Clinton Nelson, too, when he's that physically gifted, but then, like you said,

he's the first one down, he's chasing the ball all over the place, helping everybody up. It's a scary thing, man. You know, like, all right, well, it was like every once in a while you'd face some fullbacks back when there were fullbacks. Well, they're kind of making a comeback. But when teams used to run a lot of, like, lead week and ISOs, and you knew you'd be taking this guy on 15 or 20 times,

and he was one of those dudes that just for whatever reason, every time you hit him, you feel like you're going to die. It was never a whole lot of fun going into those games. But you're like, all right, well, here we go. I better headbutt him first before he gets me. You were on record saying you don't think you've ever had a concussion, by the way. I have zero, zero documented concussions, Pat.

Is that real life or is that just you acting tougher than science? Real life. I mean, honestly, like I've, whatever people say, like been dinged up, you know, people say you've been dinged. I've never had anything to where I've had like a headache. I've never blacked out. I've never had the deal where I felt like I couldn't continue to play. I can never had anything like that. It's because people wear mouthpieces.

Mouthpieces, I think, are probably giving concussions out. That's the problem. Don't wear a mouthpiece. You never wore a mouthpiece? Mason Rudolph was not wearing a mouthpiece. Oh, that's another thing I wanted to say something on Twitter about. I think I'm going to start getting more active on social media. You should.

Because it's really – I'm not active, and I don't care to be really at all. But someone said something about him. I saw that hit happen. I was in the middle. We were at home, whatever, in between kids' soccer games or something. We're watching. All of a sudden, boom. I'm like, oh, this guy's dead.

He was out before he hit the ground. It was so sad. He's out before he hits the ground ground but then he hits the ground in the back of his head hits hits the the grass which is the scariest worst ones and i'm like oh he got double knocked out and then he's laying there and they cut his face mask off and then someone said oh man a mouthpiece would have absorbed the blow and helped all this out i'm like are you kidding me do you really think a mouthpiece like i don't even think you could give the argument that a mouthpiece would have absorbed the blow and helped all this out i'm like are you kidding me do you really think a mouthpiece like i don't even think you could give the argument that a mouthpiece would have softened the blow at all and so to think that a mouthpiece would have helped him out there come on now man that's like he hit him right on the button yeah and he had his mouth

open and they argue that mouthpiece is one of the reasons they do work is because it forces you to keep your mouth shut because that's what you know boxers fighters get knocked out when you're trying to breathe with a mouthpiece you have to open your mouth more to breathe because the mouthpiece is in taking up 30 of your mouth so it might have reversed it might actually reverse technology this where you're forced to open your mouth which leaves your jaw a little bit more exposed right so whenever you get a shot in the button it's night night which is exactly what happened if your mouth's open it's click you that tendon stretches as far as it can go and it just shuts you down keep your mouth shut then that's probably what you're a master plus your jaw is made of iron look at that thing

what mouthpieces do mouthpieces protect your teeth that's what they're there for they don't protect like they can you can show me all the science and say how oh when your jaw bites down it it dissipates the blow throughout your head okay i still think the science is still out on that i don't know if that's that's real or not doctors i'm sure they always try to argue with me and people mouthpiece producers guys that make mouth, sure love to argue with me about that too. Have you been getting real beef with big mouthpiece right now, dude? Yes, I am because I feel passionately about this, Pat. It really sounds like you are like, hey, listen,

big mouthpiece is actually hurting the game instead of helping the game. That's how you feel? Well, mouthpieces are a fashion statement now. You know that. People have it hanging off their helmet with the big lip guards on top that were cool when I was in third grade. Those are back now. Yeah, everything that was cool back in the day is back now. Like my son, my six-year-old plays flag football, and I just got him one of those. It doesn't have the strap.

They don't wear helmets, but they make him wear mouthpieces to protect their teeth, not their heads. And I got him one of those big mouthpieces with the lip guard and it has like skulls on it or whatever and I surprised him with it before a game a couple weeks ago and it was better than Christmas for him. He was so juiced strictly because he likes how it looks. He doesn't care if it protects his teeth or his head, but he likes how it looks and that's how it is.

So, I mean, whatever. I mean, mouthpieces, I didn't expect to get on here and talk about it. You can dump that out too. Hold on. It's the big pac get on here and talk about it. You can dump that out, too. Hold on. It's the big pacifier one you're talking about, right? The big, like, it looks like a pacifier on your mouth, the big thing? Yeah. Like, I have a tough time.

I have a large nose. I can't really breathe out of my nose well. Classic mouth breather. I am literally a classic mouth breather because my nose doesn't operate that well. Whenever they got those big pacifiers, that has to be incredibly difficult to breathe it's like that mass that those mass that there were like 30 000 feet mass or whatever they were yeah those those yeah those don't work either by the way go on they absolutely do not work when you see guys warming up with them because they think they look cool and they say how oh it, it simulates like you're at 25,000 feet.

Absolutely not. It does not. It restricts your breathing a little bit in. It restricts your breathing in and out. When is your breathing ever restricted? It just doesn't make any sense, those masks. Luckily, we haven't seen them around as much lately. Maybe the league.

Did the league shut them down? You can't wear them pregame now or what? Well, the league needs to shut down the refs. I'm not sure about those masks, those things were the because they started designing them like pain they said that's the reason it was because of batman marshall was doing it marshall was doing it there was an american flag one that was out there they were showing up in every nfl locker room i think everyone caught on there was a scam yeah it was hard to breathe i tried to do biceps one day with that thing on, and I fucking don't think I was doing it right.

But I didn't love it. I didn't love it. You don't need it. Don't worry. You'll be fine. You know who Boss Rutten is? Oh, yeah. Oh, what is that?

Dang it. Dang it. Dang it. Dang it. Where he takes the chip. Kick to the groin. Boss Rutten's a guide to bar fighting. Yeah, he's the best.

Boss has this thing called the boss ruden o2 trainer which i have and it's actually pretty legit it restricts your breathing in but not out and you can work out with it you do everything and there's like 12 different valves you can check onto it's like a little mouthpiece that's the only mouthpiece all over where i wear it sometimes in the basement when i'm working out feels like boss ruden paid you to say that and now i have to question whether or not you genuinely hate everything else or this is just because you're being paid by boss root i wish now i wouldn't take a dime from boss root and he's one of my heroes

did you see khabib swimming against the fucking uh current current in a river khabib did that no oh dude he's he's taking on the fucking amazon it looks like he's just freezing cold russian river russian river he's just swimming against it and then they're like all right come back and he just turns and swims to the side it was insanity if he bet if he's fighting anytime in the near future he is gonna win he is gonna win that is just 100 fact and that's just the way it goes. Can he see it right now? Yeah, I can see it. Well, Khabib's never lost, Pat.

So, yeah, I'd say he's good. Khabib, he's not even a human. This dude is, yeah, he's awesome. He's a scary, scary individual. Yeah, yeah, and then he won in the crowd, right? He's the guy that won in the crowd? Oh, yeah. I know all about the mixed martial arts.

So you're doing all this WWE stuff, working with Sam Roberts and all that. How do you jam that into your schedule? Well, it's kind of one of those things where I put on my boss root no-two thing, and I just can't really breathe much, and I just kind of fucking go for it. Bang-a-da-dang-a-da-dang-a-da. And I know enough about the WWE. So that's like if i know

about stuff and this has been a very self-aware self-awakening here a couple weeks for me if i know what i'm talking about even though people might not like the way i deliver things at least they have to say like at least this guy's fucking right though when it comes to things i don't know about it's tough like this college football i don't know fucking shit about it is very tough for people to want to have to listen to me especially i mean granted ratings are doing good i think they're doing better than they were last year i'm getting a lot of clips you're doing this but if you're somebody that doesn't like the mcafee which is there is people out there and you're forced to listen to me talk about that i don't know about boy that's got to be tough that has got to be very tough but with the wwe i know about that stuff i've literally been a fan for like 20 years

so i know about it so they can just drop me in basically and i pretty much can know what's happening relatively quickly because the storylines are either similar to what they were like 10 years ago or i can pick up on it pretty fast so that's not really a problem that's actually like a vacation for me it actually like feels good to get in there and chat about it. But I enjoy the hell out of it. I might be doing some more with them or in the wrestling world without them. We'll see what happens. You see that? You say without them?

We'll see, man. My future in the wrestling business is... You and Jericho. Go wrestle for Jericho's deal he has. I don't think I'll ever do that. I don't think I'll ever do that. Okay. Well, I know your'll ever do that. Okay. Well, I know your boy's a Triple H, so yeah, get inside the ring then.

What do they call it? Get inside there and throw your body around if you can. What do they call it? Get in there and throw your body around. Squared circle. That's right. That a boy. Well, because you know what you're talking about.

Oh, okay. So do you not call it a belt? You call it a championship or whatever? Funny you say that because the last time i was on their air i said he's gonna win the belt tonight and in my ear immediately it was like don't say belt by it is a title or a champion so i say super bowl uh no it's not like it's not for fines purposes it's because they got sick of everybody calling everything a belt so it's a championship or a title it's no longer a belt in the wwe in a lot

of wrestling worlds by the way way, they hate that. And they also don't call it professional wrestling. They call it sports entertainment, which a lot of wrestling fans fucking hate. So there's a lot of things that the wrestling fans are kind of jaded about. And those two that I just mentioned are right there at the top of the list.

So it's just the way it goes. Do you like the Colts this year? I think they're going to win the Super Bowl. Good pivot right there. I think Colts are going to win the Super Bowl because games are won in the trenches and that offensive line ists this year? I think they're going to Super Bowl. Good pivot right there. I think Colts are going to win Super Bowl because games are won in the trenches, and that offensive line is legit this year. I think Jacoby Brissett is a young superstar quarterback that's not getting enough credit,

and I think that defense, when it's healthy, can fly around and make plays. Adam Vinatieri is all the way back. Rigoberto Sanchez is good. I think they have a team from dot to bottom that's going to win games in December and January because they can win the ugly ones, AJ, and that's what you need to be able to do late in the game and in the playoffs yeah i love jacoby percent that dude is me too for some reason undervalued i guess at least outside of indianapolis people don't give him enough credit for how good he really is he never gets talked about it's always baker lamar uh deshaun watson

pat mahomes oh these are the young quarterbacks that are going to be superstars. It's like, yo, Jacoby is a young quarterback who has been very fucking good, who can win a lot of games, especially when you have an offensive line that can just move bodies whenever they need to. I think the Colts are built for a long haul right now, but everything runs through the Patriots. Everybody knows that.

Everything runs through the Patriots. Yeah, they're legit, man. The defense is fun to watch. They're fun to, you know, the whole team's fun to watch. People, the whole argument now, people are saying, oh, who was it? Who's the best team? They're trying to say, are the Niners the best team in the NFC? That's a big talking point right now.

What do you think? No. I mean, I can't crown them champs yet. I mean, I have a hard time putting them above Seattle right now. Don't you? Seattle. Russell Wilson just feels like no matter what the game is, I think it's always going to be close.

I think the Seattle Seahawks games are always going to be close. But I think Russell Wilson, for all of his bad, his cliche answers, his corniness, his super corporate operation, it feels like – and by the way, people say that's genuine. That's not fake. That's how he is in real life, I guess. But on the football field, you don't agree. corporate operation it feels like it by the way people say that's genuine that's not fake that's how he is in real life I guess but on the football field he you don't agree AJ you don't think he's all those things no I think sometimes you become the character you create boom thank you well said

thank you AJ hey that was profound by the way I'm talking about Pat, not Russell. That's hilarious. No, but I think when Russell has the ball, he's doing incredible things right now, and that Seattle Seahawks team is legit. You don't think the Niners are above the Seattle Seahawks? What about you have the Saints, Packers, Seahawks, and then Niners? I mean, no, I don't know where I would rank them. This isn't a dumb power ranking show.

No, let's go to the power rankings. Let's get the list out. A.J. Hawks, top four teams in the NFC. We will go now live at number four, A.J. Hawk. So, yeah, I'm not going to jump through your hoops once again. But I guess I don't know. I mean, it's hard to ever count out the Packers. Devontae Adams isn't even playing right now.

That dude's another under-the-radar stud that doesn't get the credit he deserves. He's unbelievable, and their defense is legit. You talk about bringing some free agent signings, the Smith brothers, as they call them, even though they're not related on the outside for Green Bay, are awesome, and their secondary is really, really good. So I never would count the Packers out if Aaron's healthy. The Saints are really good too. Their defense is playing well, and Drew Brees isn't even in the lineup right now.

So, yeah, I mean, I like what the Niners are doing. Their defense is awesome. I'm a fan of Jimmy G. I hope he's the guy. I hope he can lead them to a Super Bowl. I don't know if he is yet, but I think he's really good, and I like him. I just don't know if I can – you can't sit here and, like,

crown people champs or act like they've arrived yet after five games. Six. Whatever it is. I don't know when you're releasing this thing i can respect that hey um we gotta go i'm flying to palo alto this afternoon um my life is getting hectic you and i revolve around motivational speeches is there any way you could give me a motivational speech to really finish out this fall strong, AJ? First off, you're trying to set me up with these stupid things every single time I come on here.

And I know you have other people that come on here, your ball washers that are so happy to be on the show. Oh yeah, let me do this, Pat. You want me to stand up, Pat? Should I wear a hat? Oh, you want me to flex? Cool, I'll do whatever you want, yeah. Let me do this, Pat. You want me to stand up, Pat? Should I wear a hat? Oh, you want me to flex?

Cool. I'll do whatever you want, Pat. So I respect you as a human, obviously. I think you're really, really good at what you do. Okay, thank you. I've seen up close and personal how you are a man of the people. I think it's cool how you're are you this have you become your character or

was this character who you were as a young kid and you're just continuing to be that guy? I don't know yet. Jury's still out. We'll see. I'll see you in a couple years, maybe. Are you fucking kidding me? This must be a motivational speech. I'm trying to give you a compliment, Pat. Why don't you sit there and accept it?

I'm saying you're a good dude. That's why I'm even entertaining the thought of this stupid thing you want me to do, which I'm not doing it. But I think if you really want some good motivational, like some kind of info out there, some motivational content, go to the guys that are super angry and yell at the crowd the whole time and just make them think they're the worst people on the planet. Those are my favorite motivational guys. I'm sure you love them too. It's really uplifting, really fun

when you just scowl at the crowd, whoever it is. Say your motivational speaker guy gets paid 75K to show up to corporations, but you're going to do do a favor you can do a favor air quotes for a uh an elementary school because your cousin's mom asked you to come in there and you're gonna do a favor and only take 40 grand from the school operation and you're speaking to like third graders and you just the first thing you do is you just walk down the line don't say a word for like a minute and just point out kids. You're probably going to be in jail. You're probably going to die. You, suicide. They point out stuff, and then the person's going to be like,

I'm just telling you what the stats show. That's what they are. I'm just going to tell you. 12% of you are going to be dead within five years from now. Six of you are going to be in prison. But how are you going to lift your life back up? Look at me. Look how awesome I am. I didn't have anything growing up. I had nothing. I didn't have a pot to piss in. And look at me now. I drove in here in a Maybach. I didn't even drive. I had my buddy drive.

I got 35 ball washers around me at all times. Look at me. I'm the best. Now go out there and get it done, young man. And then you end it. So Ray Lewis gave you that speech? Easy. Ray had to pull out of Dancing with the Stars so I feel for him. Thoughts and prayers. What happened to Ray Lewis? He was in Dancing with the Stars. He got hurt.

Let's have a moment of silence for Ray Lewis' health. let's have a moment of silence for ray lewis's health good song well that was that thing you guys do uh moment of silences have kind of been a staple of this show, just to see who breaks first. I want an entire 45 seconds on live radio with just a complete moment of silence until somebody broke. Just because I like to think of people at home listening like, did we lose service or are these fuckers really not talking right now?

It's something I do, but Ray Lewis' health is something we would definitely do a moment of silence for, for sure. And his victims. Jesus. Oh not talking right now. It's something I do, but Ray Lewis' health is something we would definitely do a moment of silence for, for sure. And his victims. Jesus. Oh, come on now. Drop that. On a football field. On a football field.

Yeah, yeah. Punished him. Yeah. Did he stop doing the deer antler? Yeah. Is that why he got hit? All right. Enough.

Let's get out of here. Get that camera off of us when you say that Ray Lewis comment. Yeah, exactly. I do not want to be associated with that. The opinions of his do not reflect that of his employer. That is Nick Moroto. That is the man that said that terrible, terrible thing. Yeah, I did.

Okay, AJ, I'll see you later, man. I can't thank you enough. I think people will enjoy this conversation. Thank you. Have fun, man. Don't die. I appreciate it. Your schedule is brutal, but you're doing great.

It means a lot. You got seven kids, too, so your life never ends either, so I think that is also impressive. Thank you. Appreciate it. Your schedule is brutal, but you're doing great. It means a lot. You've got seven kids, too, so your life never ends either. So I think that is also impressive. Thank you. Appreciate you. Normally you correct me there. You didn't that time. How many is it?

I don't know the actual number. No, I have four kids. I mean, yeah. Are we going to have five? Are we going to have a start in five? Or have we done it four? I mean, nothing really. I haven't.

I didn't get clipped, so I don't plan on having any more. Good headphones. How much did Disney pay you for this Toy Story ad? Oh, there you go. What happened? You see it? He's got a Toy Story ad on his Twitter. He said all his kids are really pumped.

I told you I'm getting more active on my social media. You see it. Hashtag movie night. Hashtag Toy Story. Hashtag ad. Tonight, all four of my kids are pumped to watch Woody, Buzz,

and the rest of the gang for a hashtag Toy Story for movie night. Own your copy now on Blu-ray and digital. Hashtag ad. At Toy Story. Atta boy, AJ.

Hey, look at you, a little businessman. Yeah, I know, man. I got screwed. They only gave me like 25K for that. What's so funny you did him a favor you did him a favor normally like that speaker like that speaker going to the elementary school i did him a favor because my kids do like the movie all right ladies and gentlemen, legend A.J. Hawk.

I feel like we told you that Mr. Hawk was always an entertaining one. I can't thank him enough for spending that much time with us in the middle of his insane schedule. I couldn't even fathom calling a high school football game right now. Good for him. Couldn't even fathom having an MMA show and doing all that. He's a very busy man, and I'm very thankful for his time, and also his incredible wit. He's a dry sense of humor-having motherfucker now, and it is hysterical. I absolutely love it. Very thankful he stopped by. The thing that I miss most while I'm on the road, by the way,

before we get to one or two calls that we got a chance to take here earlier today. With our live show, we have the technology now to take calls. So people call in during a live show. Since it's only a two-hour show, I can't always get it in, right? Because we've got breaks. We've got some guests already that have been booked by the booker who's been doing a very good job the last couple of days. Very thankful for that.

And throughout the whole thing, it's been a learning process, but they've been incredible. So sometimes whenever I get people to call in 1-833-622-3331, I can't always get to them, but we can record them after the live show directly afterwards and put them in the podcast. And I think that's what we're going to start doing. And I always enjoy this because it brings out stories sometimes that I never would have remembered myself. I enjoy hearing from folks that are intrigued by what the fuck we got going on because it's very stupid. Another thing that's very stupid is my life on the road

has become a little bit of a pain in the ass. Now, obviously, traveling and all that stuff, working, achieving goals here, you know, doing it with my friends is a lot of fun. But every time I lay down on a damn bed in these hotels, it's literally a craps table. It's roulette. It's nobody knows if the bed is going to be worth a single fuck or not. And honestly, aside from my lady, who comes with me to every New York trip and will be coming to a couple of these college things,

so I'm away from her like once a week. Aside from missing her and all the pets, the number two thing behind that is my damn bed. My bed from Lisa is so damn comfortable. And I think I love it so much because it was done in such an easy fashion. So I felt like I beat the game of mattresses and it's so goddamn comfortable. It's really the perfect match.

It's innovation in the industry that was literally archaic. No more traveling to the damn mattress stores. And laying on beds that have been laid on by a bunch of people all damn day. No more trying to get upsold on whether the springs are worth a shit. It's years and years of research. For the perfect mattress. And it shows up in a box on your doorstep. Unboxing the damn thing takes like two minutes three minutes easy peasy all you did

was go to lisa.com forward slash mcafee you get 150 off and that shit shows up at your door and bang bang boom the most comfortable bed you ever laid on just showed up in your life if you're looking for a new bed i would would very much suggest Lisa because I've gotten a chance to lay on a lot of beds this fall, traveling around in a lot of towns. And I miss my Lisa mattress every single time. L-E-E-S-A dot com forward slash M-C-A-F-E-E. $150 off. I think you'll enjoy the decision. All right, I guess we do a fucking phone call or two here. Mac, what's going on?

Upstate New York, what are we talking about? What's up, boys? All right, so we can all agree that the refs have been absolutely atrocious, and we've talked about it ad nauseum. Good work. But tennis refs have never gotten a call wrong with that hawkeye technology that they have and i know you said it's smaller than a football field but soccer has the var technology which is just about the same size as a football field so do you think

they should try to implement that technology into reffing of the nfl so that it's always perfect it would never get the first down wrong the touchdown calls wrong or whether the feet were in or out of bounds. Okay, I appreciate that, Mac. I don't think I understand what the VAR thing is. It's a video-assisted review, I believe is what it stands for. But they also have it down the goal line, just like in tennis where it shows the ball crossing the line

or not like that. So I think he was talking about more if the football goes over the goal line for touchdowns. Which I think they have now. By the way, last night, or one of the games this weekend, he was talking about more if the the football goes over the goal line for touchdowns which i think they have now by the way last night or one of the games this weekend they had sky cam directly over the goal line which is exactly where it should be so it doesn't get in the way i enjoy the thought of fixing it and putting sensors in that whole thing i think they have enough money to do so they also have enough money though to buy their own stadiums and they still use tax

funded money because billionaires are going to be billionaires until billionaires are no longer alive that's just the way it goes i i think anything that makes the game better and smarter i am all about i am here for and i appreciate mac doing that but i just don't see the nfl who got upset when we asked for just a little bit more cash during negotiations to just spell out a bunch of sensors on the entire football field. That also had to be warmed in cold places and the whole thing, even though it would be smart. Even though it would be smart. Dream situation, the entire field has sensors on it.

There's even lights on the numbers underneath the field so you can see it up a little bit so that if there's snow on there, even melting for the snow on the lines, like a dream scenario, that is the case where we don't even need refs. Dream scenario is we have four sky cams at all angles so we can see everything. These are all dream scenarios that will never happen, but boy, it'd be great if it did.

What, they don't have enough money? They do. I know. But they want to make all the money. Hogs get slaughtered. To say that, you have to say the first part so it makes sense. Otherwise, it just kind of sounds evil. Just taking a shot at pigs.

Well, they do. Well, pigs get fed. Hogs get slaughtered. There we go. Now we're playing a game. Rowan, great name. What are we talking about? Yes, thanks for having me.

Are the 49ers the best team in the NFC? Great question, Rowan. I think, and I've said this openly a couple times, Rowan from Indianapolis, one of the best names, probably the best name that's ever called in, next to Gumpy that I've used, I thought was Dumpy there at the beginning. So that's a little bit of an interesting thing.

Rowan's a good name, though. Yeah, thanks. No problem. It was more so a compliment to your mom and dad, but you can take it for sure because you deserve it. I self-admittedly did not know enough about the San Francisco 49ers going into that Monday night football game against Cleveland Browns. Then watching them perform on that Monday night game, I was like, well, God damn, the San Francisco 49ers going into that monday night football game against cleveland browns then watching them perform on that monday night game i was like well god damn the san francisco

49ers got somebody then they went into the rams and they were underdogs i knew that was a lie and then whenever they showed up there with a majority 49ers fan base in the stands the 49ers fans have been waiting for this team to be good and i think they are jeff garcia talked about it that defense that was once young and dumb is now all of a sudden experienced and smart they brought in some pass rushers both through the draft and free agency d ford if he was just six inches back can't see cheese probably go to super bowl win that thing instead now he's with the 49ers with a dominant defense they have all the makings to be great i'm just not sure how anybody's gonna beat aaron rogers that in my eyes in the nfc it runs through the frozen tundra of green bay

that's just in my eyes because i'm friends with the guy but i also like the 49ers a lot so i think they're incredible i think it's going to be a great playoff run plus you tack in the saints there and also don't let the cowboys get on i can't i can't even say with a straight face i can't even say it was straight but in my eyes i think the packers are still lead dog there but i like the 49ers a lot a lot a lot they are an incredible football team if they run into a defense that can stop the run i don't trust jimmy g enough and i don't trust their wide receivers enough to make plays if they are getting stopped yeah and i mean i yeah i'm on your side everybody's saying jimmy

g's been playing average i guess yeah yeah i mean their defense has just been so good that he really hasn't had to do much. Well, and if it wasn't for Dapgate, I mean, literally, that's probably what we'd be talking about more is how dominant and suffocating that defense was. But we haven't mentioned it much. And we'll see how it goes as the season goes. Thank you, Roan, for the call. Let's go to Peyton Donner in Pittsburgh.

Peyton, what's going on, bub? Okay. So I thought the NFL has a big monopoly on football. They have a bigger monopoly than Andrew Carnegie had on good old-fashioned blood and sweat American steel Tell us for by real men not pansies like I'll pour to a river on So I'm asking you as a person who played in NFL You think alternative leagues like the XFL might stand a chance because of these happy little referees We're most likely born in the highway because that's where most accidents happen.

We're going to fill the void for complete accuracy that fans seem to want right now. Also, last thing, stat, short for statinum in Latin, means immediately. Oh! That's from Latin. Thank you, Peyton. Peyton, incredible call there, Peyton.

Thank you, buddy. I appreciate the hell out of Peyton when he calls for pit stops. He has a different brain than we have in here and sometimes when you're listening to some people speak you have to give them benefit of the doubt that they're going to get somewhere some people when they start talking i'm like i don't trust that you're going to get somewhere good so i'm just going to cut you off with payton i have given now it's the third time we've heard from payton i have gotten to the point now where if i think he's leaving something I don't like,

I give him the benefit of a doubt that his brain's going to figure it out for me. And it does. That's a great delivery there. Yes, the NFL is a monopoly. They say the CFL is the reason why they're not, the AFL and all this stuff. Everybody knows the NFL is the only one that's really making any money. Will another league work? I think Jeff Garcia yesterday on our show talked about how there's an abundance of talent there's a lot of people that are cut but if you can't run

the league as a business which is what it is it might not fall i have no idea apparently the freedom football league is being launched too with ricky williams and jeff garcia excited to see how that one goes excited for that but they got vince mcmahon back and a big money xfl is the only failure on vince mcmahon's basically life checklist if I had to guess everything that guy has tried to do business-wise has done well except for the XFL then he sees the AFL with the child of the guy that he made the TV rights deal come up and he goes you know what I think I can do this again and he comes back into it Vince McMahon is not gonna let this thing fail Oliver Luck has had a lot of success everywhere he's gone I think they're going to do good

do I think it's going to be good watching for a while I think it's going to stink and it's going to be tough to watch for a little bit but I think the XFL does stand a chance I just not sure for how long yeah I mean until they can pay these guys more than what you make for like working in a cubicle it's going to be tough to think that they're going to be able to get top shelf talent that wants to come and play for them. You might be able to get those young guys who have never made any money before. So they're just their first time getting a paycheck playing football.

They're loving it. We're loving it. But whenever that turnover happens, how do you build up a fan base? Unless it's like a college fan base, but the college fan base lies upon guys and girls who went to the school and feel it through their blood. Now you're trying to start a new,

I don't know. Well, and even, even that, I mean, if you're making like 55 grand, like you're, you're not living luxuriously, you know what I blood. Now you're trying to start anew. I don't know. Well, and even that. I mean, if you're making like 55 grand, you're not living luxuriously. You know what I mean?

Like you're paying for your apartment and whatever other bills you have, and you might have a little bit of spending money on the side, but it's, I mean, it's... What if you're in D.C.? Massive taxes. Exactly. New York, massive taxes.

L.A. This is not going to be a glorious job, so it'll probably be a lot of turnover. If they can continue to have talent and some notable names in there that fans can get behind, I think they have a chance. But, boy, in the middle of February when it's negative 50 degrees in New York and D.C., that's going to be tough football. Quarterback play is going to be tough to watch,

and I think that's kind of what drives leagues. Hey, the AFL. Remember there for a little bit of the first couple weeks, I was like, I could go play quarterback right now in the AFL. I could go play right now if I had to. They've got to be paying the quarterbacks more, I assume. They have to be. Oliver Luck ain't going to let that fly.

But they're still all quarterbacks that have been cut from NFL teams. All right, thank you so much for fucksing with us on this beautiful Thursday. If you've got nothing going on tonight, 9 p.m., we got a little UCLA Stanford action. By the way, I love it out here. It is very nice out here.

It is like a whole nother country out here. Whole nother continent. These pines play no fucking games. These redwoods. We had to drive from San Francisco to Palo Alto, which is south, by the way, thought for sure it was north. I was telling everybody, oh, we got to go up to Palo Alto today. Wrong, you go down.

I guess there was an earthquake also, like an hour before we landed out here, so we could have all went very down. Anyways, it's beautiful out here. And that Stanford campus is legit. After watching some of their games, it might not be a very, you know, rompous atmosphere at Cardinal Stadium.

But I think it's going to be an incredible game. And Coach David Shaw was a cool dude today, man. Cool dude. Good conversation. going to be an incredible game and coach david shaw was a cool dude today man cool dude good conversation and their facility like their hall of age it's just a very nice place here very nice but i can understand why people that go to stanford feel as if they had a much better education experience than everybody else it's fucking incredible here dudes who created snapchat from here i think Google You just name it There's just billions of dollars oozing out of this place And it's pretty obvious

A lot of bike riding motherfuckers around here though A lot of bike riding Not only in San Francisco where we currently are But in the Stanford campus Yeah it was cool It was very cool to learn about it It was also very cool to win some auctions On my new favorite site

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You know what? Tell me something I don't know. I'm enjoying the hell out of these on my Instagram and Twitter and all the boys. Every morning I do a tell me something I don't know. I'm enjoying the hell out of these on my Instagram and Twitter and all the boys. Every morning I do a tell me something I don't know. Like, for instance, yesterday, since we were in San Francisco, the home of Steve Jobs with Stanford and the whole thing, we all wore black turtlenecks, jeans, white shoes, glasses, black belts. Except for Ty.

Ty had a brown belt on. A lot of people mocked him for it. But, hey, you can either fall in line or stick out. And I would say a brown belt on a lot of people mocked him for it but hey you can either fall in line or stick out and i would say the brown belt definitely did that and that's what ty does that steals the show foxy if you see the picture foxy literally looked like uh like he hasn't had a sandwich yeah 20 30 years it's incredible how fit that kid is and handsome it's ridiculous. And Cigar Zeke made an appearance.

But we paid a little homage there to the Steve Jobs in the area up here. We had a good time. And we're stupid. And you listen. And we're thankful. Ty Schmidt. Oh, yeah. Hashtag N-Gang.

Hashtag N-Gang. And just send something that makes us chuckle a little bit. We're around each other a lot. We're going to be on a plane for five hours coming home from Stanford to get back for the live show Friday morning. Corey Graves will be hosting the first hour from the WWE. And Jeremy Piven from Entourage will be hosting the second hour. I hadn't really heard of the guy since Entourage. Entourage was a show that shaped my life.

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