The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 124 - Adam Amin: A Muslim In A Non Muslim World. Also, Dwight Freeney

Episode Date: October 31, 2019

On today’s show, Pat and the guys record from Waco, Texas ahead of tonight’s West Virginia vs. Baylor game. They are joined in the box truck by Pat’s Thursday Night Football play-by-play man, one of the most interesting men at ESPN, Adam Amin. They chat about what it was like growing up Muslim in the Chicagoland area, and the impact that 9/11 had on his life, he tells the story about how his father immigrated from Pakistan and had to save money for several years before he could bring the rest of his family over, and he dispels some common misconceptions about being Muslim. They also chat about how things have been going in the Thursday Night booth, what Adam’s dream job would be in terms of calling games, some of the most memorable games he’s called, and he tells a few hilariously stories about his career before he got to ESPN in a very deep and incredible interview (6:36-55:09). Also included is an interview in studio with Super Bowl Champion, 7x Pro Bowler, 4x All-Pro, member of the NFL 2000s All Decade team, newly minted member of the Colts Ring of Honor, and Pat’s former teammate, Dwight Freeney. They discuss the change of the defensive end position throughout his career and why guys like him made such an impact in their careers, what he thinks of this years Indianapolis Colts team and why he thinks they are built for success, he remembers a few of his better gambling stories while with the Colts, and chats about the NFL trade deadline, and why he doesn’t believe the NFL trade market will explode the way fans want it to (57:55-1:20:36). Don’t forget to send pictures of your Halloween costumes to Pat and the guys using the hashtag #CoolCostumeCuz for a chance to win a $500 gift card to store.patmcafeeshow.com. Come and laugh with us, and have a safe and Happy Halloween. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Should have paid homage to Halloween. Here's a quick story. My freshman year of college, we're living at the dorm. It was a good time. The towers of Morgantown are just an absolute blast. I went to Spencer's Gifts the day of Halloween when we all decided we're going to go out and shut the town fucking down. I found the most ridiculous thing I could find. It was a big blow-up penis costume. Your head would stick out right underneath the tip, and your feet would go out either ball, and then there was a little fan that blew in the back, and you had to waddle, but it was pretty awesome. I mean, I was a six-foot-one inflatable penis.

inflatable penis. Me, a cow, a sheriff, and I believe a scream mask wearer went into a couple different clubs, won four different costume contests that night because up on the stage, when they asked the penis to dance, I would break it down. At about midnight, the fan broke, though. So now it was just one big floppy penis

and turns out it was an even better costume than whenever it was fully erect. People love the floppy head bouncing around on top of my head. The flaccidness of the balls made my feet be able to move so I could dance a little bit harder. That and the time that I dressed up as an alpine skier are my two favorite Halloweens. I wore rollerblades around Morgantown, wore all white tights, had long hair at the time, hair sprayed it straight back so it looked like I was going fast at all time. I had two hiking sticks in either arm. I was a downhill alpine skier in Morgantown, West Virginia. Rollerblades stayed on the entire evening.

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Adam Amin, you've called Play-By-Play for over a thousand games at ESPN. How many years have you been there? It's my ninth year at ESPN. Okay, nine years at ESPN. Play-By-Play the entire time? The whole time. A little bit of studio hosting here and there, but all Play-By-Play. And where'd you go to school? Valparaiso, Indiana.

That is the play-by-play hub. Oh, it's a hotbed. Hotbed, y'all. How did you not end up at Syracuse? I didn't take the SATs. Did you guys take the SATs? Yeah, yeah. You guys did.

Okay, so what I heard, I don't know if this is true, and maybe Zito can back me up. Oh, yeah. We were ACT people. Oh, yeah. And I think you had to take the SATs to get into Syracuse. Oh, yeah. Hey, that's a pretty fucking...

Is it because you're Muslim and didn't take the SAT? That's why Syracuse didn't let you? We could say that right now. Let's tell everybody that it's a bunch of... Zito's Cuban. He couldn't have got in. They looked at us and were like, hard pass.

Did you take the SAT? Do they even offer that where you're from? No. Okay couldn't have got in. They looked at us and were like, hard pass. Hard pass. Did you take SAT? Do they even offer that where you're from? No. Okay, that's our route. We don't like your kind. It's like, what is that supposed to mean? The kind that don't take the SAT.

So I took the ACTs, and I ended up applying for like three schools. That's it. Like Western Illinois, Bradley, and Valpo. And the only reason I applied to Valpo is because my buddy told me to. My buddy was going to be the general manager of the student radio station. He's from my hometown. Still works at Florida Atlantic University as their play-by-play guy.

Shout out Owls, Lane Kiffin. What's up? And then he's like, hey, if you want to try broadcasting, which I had messed around with very, very infrequently in high school. He's like, come down here. Come to Valpo. I'll put you on the air. So I said, alright. I applied. I got in. Sight unseen.

First time I was on campus was first day of registration. Nice. So I never bothered to go. And you're from Chicago. From Chicago. Suburban Chicago. And was the plan to be play-by-play guy? God, no, man. What was the plan? I wanted to be a baseball player, first and foremost. Then you get to, like, 12, and you're like, yeah,

I don't think I'm going to have it. Jose Altuve, I mean, this isn't going to happen. When did you know? Jose Altuve, I mean, that guy's about your size. I've done Astros games. I'm taller than Altuve. I'm taller than Altuve. Which is just – and he's an MVP. So, clearly, I just didn't have fucking what it took.

Oh, you're a bit negative. You're a bit negative. Clearly, my biggest issue was the mental aspect of it because I had already disregarded myself before I even walked into the room. I was like, oh, I can't do this. You could have, by the way. See, I wanted to ask you, when did you know, like, hey, you know, I know kids, we ask this question to college kids all the time,

like when did you know you could play college football or whatever? It was for real. When were you like, I could punt and kick in college? I could do this. NFL was the time. When did you know you could play college football or whatever? It was for real. When were you like, I could punt and kick in college. I could do this. NFL was the thought. The first time I kicked a ball, I kicked a 60-yard field goal. So the first time I kicked a football was a 60-yard field goal. And I had to have

a real conversation with my parents. It was a business decision. More schools were looking at me for soccer than for football. So it was a business decision. Do you want to get rich in Europe or America? So we decided with football, and it worked out. I mean, there was a lot of very lucky things that had to happen for it to work out, but it worked out.

Were you a very confident kid? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, because we're like, I was either going to be a star in Europe or a star in America. One or the other. No, rich in Europe.

I was going to be rich in one or the other. It didn't matter. Because I feel like that separates people like you who get to that level and people like me who have to kind of figure it out. And once we figure it out, I'm all in. Once I figured out it was this, it was tunnel vision. Yeah, but for me. But I feel like that separated us.

I wasn't going to. I saw my dad wake up at like 4 a.m. and then come back at like 6 p.m. And he was a truck driver and all that stuff. And I watched that. And then I watched Wild On with Brooke Burke and I was like, I'll tell you what, they seem to be enjoying life a lot more than Tim McAfee who's busting his ass. I want to go do that instead. And I was like, you know what, I am going to try my absolute best

to become a wealthy person. And this video just actually got released from West Virginia where... I commented on it. I tweeted at it. I said, aw, baby Pat. Yeah, and if you look at that, all the things... It was adorable. All the things that I said were all people that were rich. That's all I cared about. I didn't care about

what I did. I just knew I wanted to be wealthy at some point. But they had a checklist for you, and it was, hey, I wanted to do X, Y, Z, and A, B, and C, and all of them were checked up. That's awesome. Except for the acting thing. We're writing a movie right now. Actually, we have a movie. That'll get knocked down. I don't know if it'll be good. I think it'll be better than some shit that gets out, but let's go back to you.

So when you get in there, when did you know that you had this incredible skill to potentially be a play-by-play person? Because as somebody that just got into the world, the play-by-play person, the amount of homework you have to do and studying you have to do, and then the ability to balance everything

is a real acquired skill i'm not sure everybody can do it when did you know like you know what i could probably be a pretty good little play-by-play guy i think uh probably like my junior year of college were you calling their basketball games basketball we did everything there it was kind of cool actually we got to do basketball games football games uh studio we did the play-by-play and the analyst job we did a producer in the studio so like all these jobs we got to do when we were in college so that was a nice little leg up and i was happy eventually that i went to valpo instead of a place like syracuse because at syracuse you don't get to

do anything until you're a junior you got to like work your way on it you know you gotta it's a hierarchy and i guess when you've had you know mike to Ian Eagle and Bob Costas and Dick Stockton and Dave O'Brien and Dave Pasch and all these people that are our colleagues now and work at big jobs in the industry, I guess you're allowed to do that. Okay, so the thing about you is so interesting is you came from a family background, right? That is not very akin to sport, I would say, right? No. I would say Muslim community is not very well represented in sports. Probably not, I would say. I think that probably bears down to the individual more than anything else.

I'll tell you this. In Pakistan, the translation of Pakistani sports that are popular to America doesn't really connect. You are Pakistani? Pakistani, 100% Pakistani. Okay. And your family, very much Pakistani. It's not like a...

Yeah, through and through. I was the first person in my family to be born in the United States. Okay. And your family, very much Pakistani. It's not like a... Yeah, through and through. I was the first person in my family to be born in the United States. Oh. So that was the big... What's the language? We speak Urdu, but there's like... In that region, there's hundreds of languages spoken. We speak Urdu, which is probably like a top 10 most popular language in the world.

This is a very ignorant question. I had zero Muslim friends growing up. Sure. What was it like? Has the world kind of changed in the perception of Muslim people? Yeah, yeah. Like you're right in the middle of that. I mean, that is literally your life.

How old are you? I'm 32. We're the same age. So literally. We were in the same grade, I think, probably. Through high school, it all kind of started happening. And it is an interesting thing the the muslim image oh yeah you remember being a freshman i mean compare your freshman year and what how you thought and what

you thought of and and everything you did compared to what you are now that's a pretty big difference and i've learned to kind of figure out hey let's not be too upset at a bunch of 14 year olds for you know not knowing what they're saying to you because they didn't know what they were saying. But September the 12th, we went back to school. I was a freshman in high school. And the first thing somebody said to me, his name is Marco, you shouldn't be here. Your people did this.

Yeah, that's a crazy thing. And that's a hurtful thing to hear when you don't, I mean, you have nothing to do with this. And you're very much taught, like my dad and my mom were very religious people uh but like they were also very understanding they were very liberal compared to a lot of like other muslim kids parents that i knew yeah so they gave me a lot of leeway and they were very cool with me asking questions and i always appreciated that so i asked my parents and my dad i'm like what is how come they're talking people are so angry

about this and he said they don't understand they don't know what we know or they think we think something different than what we think so that was frustrating because it's like yeah because what are some myths about the muslim religion so i you hear it all right oh especially any any stereotype isis thing you can think of al-qaeda at that time I think was the terrorist group of choice. That was a particular all-star team over there. Soup du jour. Yeah, Taliban kind of beat them out there for a little bit, and then ISIS really came in.

What do you guys have on the menu for today? You bet, Al-Qaeda. That sounds like the one to go with so like that but i think every stereotype you could think of like oh you like you hate women you're you're you disregard like anything from west of you know the western culture or whatever happiness too by the way right like happiness capitalism all these things they think that the muslim religion hates against yes and it's not not the case and and for these people yeah they think whatever they think that is the sliver uh you remember the west wing that show the west wing yeah they did a episode about 9-11 uh maybe a month after it happened right

it's called isaac and ishmael but you know referring back to the bible and the story uh that they the they use a comparison because the guys from the White House asked these kids that they're stuck in the White House with about this. What I say, it's a I don't know what they're called. It's a fill in the blank. Christianity is to as Islam is to terrorism or like to

Al-Qaeda or whatever. And the blank was KKK. And I always thought that was a similar, or like a similar analogy that made sense. Like, if you think of the KKK, and you're a Christian person, you don't associate yourself with what their values are or how

they go about their practices. That's how we feel about any kind of terrorist organization. It's a small, dumb group. It's the small, dumb group that has a louder voice than they probably should have. I, that's a small, dumb group. It's the small, dumb group that has a louder voice than they probably should have. I think that's the best way I can. You know, a lot of people listening to this right now just had an entire moment.

I mean, it made sense to me, and I was questioning it. And this was, I grew up on the religion. So I was like, how do I contextualize this when I'm 14 years old? Did you play sports growing up? When you were 12, you stopped playing baseball. But anything else? Did you play sports growing up? Yeah. When you were 12, you stopped playing baseball, but anything else? Did you play sports? Played football and basketball all the way through freshman year of high school.

Played baseball all the way up until about junior high. I started playing volleyball. So this is another thing we have in college. Love volleyball. I started playing volleyball when I was 12. Stopped playing baseball and played all the way through high school. Played club ball all the way through like sophomore year of college. Libero?

And we had this conversation, I think. Yeah. You and I were the last year, I think, for both Illinois and Indiana boys volleyball. Pennsylvania. Or Indiana and Pennsylvania volleyball, where you didn't have the libero on the boys side. The girls had it. For those listening that don't know volleyball at all and know that men's volleyball exists, it was my favorite sport in high school.

Literally my favorite sport in high school because I knew there was nothing really... It was just fun. It was just fun, and I was good at it. Libero is a position that only plays in the back row. They don't play on the offense. It's basically a defense-only position. If you ever watch a match,

they're the player with the different colored jersey. They don't count as a substitution. You play all but one rotation. So you've got a ton of playing time. And they eat balls. And they eat. Just eat them. You're ready.

Some 6'6 dude from, you know, Ukraine is coming at you. Yeah. And he's ready. He thinks he's going to crush one. You're right. Just sick dicks all game long. Dude, I had a college coach who went to one of my games my senior year. I played my freshman and senior year.

I didn't play those middle years. I was already committed to West Virginia, so I was just going to play with my boys. All my boys played volleyball, so I was like, yeah, I'll just play. It's fun. By the way, we sold tickets. We sold a lot. We moved tickets. Yeah, we moved tickets.

We were the first successful boys volleyball team in 15 years at our high school. I had a good little career. I'm still friends with some of the guys that I played with. My coach still, like, my coach will probably listen to this. Like, he was my econ teacher and my volleyball coach. Yeah, my coach too, by the way. His name is Nonenberg. Legend of a man. He got fired from the high school. Now he coaches

in elementary. He didn't get fired. He got moved. Yeah. Displaced. Yeah, he's probably one of my favorite coaches I've ever had, by the way. He's like, talked to me. Yeah. Because he was my last coach before I went to college, by the way. He talked to me because he was my last coach before I went to college because it was spring. He was my last coach, so he was telling me a lot about life. He and I relate a lot.

I'm a big fan of his. Here's a funny story just with the Muslim thing. He was the guy that made it cool with everybody. He made it okay for me to be... What is that? Ramadan? Ramadan. We had a player on our team at West Virginia, Ridwan Malik. Yeah.

He had to— Fast. Fast. Sun up to sundown. And it's not just food. I think a common misconception is that it's only food. It's food and water. You abstain from water.

Why? What does that mean? So how it was taught to me was basically you should understand the suffering of those who have less than you. Like, you know, those who feel hunger on a daily basis. Like, you should understand. Like homeless people, people that don't have food, things like that. It's kind of a test of will. It's heavy, man.

It is. And it's, I mean, 30 days is a long time. It sucks when it's in the summer. It's doable in the winter. Yeah, what do you do? Just pick and choose when it is? So the Islamic calendar, I think, is the equivalent

to, I want to say, ten and a half months that we follow. What do we follow? The Julian calendar? Yeah, Julian, yep. So of the Julian 12-month calendar, the Islamic calendar is like ten and a half months. So you'll have Ramadan shift all through the 12-month calendar year for us.

So it'll be in the summer some years. It'll be in the winter some years. And you want it to be in the winter because the sun goes down at 430. See, for me, I always thought that was why a lot of Muslim people didn't get into athletics. Because that is potential. I mean, I couldn't do it. Listen, I remember almost passing out at a basketball practice at one point because I was trying.

You know why? Because Hakeem did it. Hakeem Olajuwon did it during the NBA playoffs, and my dad was like, see, look at you. I was like, dude, I'm not that guy. I'm not seven feet, and I'm not in the NBA, nor will I probably be in the NBA. But do you remember the Abdullah brothers? No. What probably be in the NBA. Do you remember the Abdullah

brothers? No. What sport? In the NFL. They were defensive backs. Oh, yeah, yeah, yes. Long dreads. Yeah. I think at one point, both of them did. I remember having them close cut. I don't think I know them. But they did some stories on them because both of them would fast during Ramadan

so they'd get up at like 3 in the morning, 3.30 in the morning and just crush Gatorades, protein bars, protein shakes, chicken, cereal, whatever nutrients they could consume before the sun came up. This is during training camp. This is during August

training camp. Yeah, Hamza. Yeah, Hamza and it starts with an R. Hamza and Hussein. Okay, gotcha. So both of them would... Why is your name Adam? I'll tell you that story in a second. So they would just pack all these calories in, sun goes up, they do two a days, all that stuff, and then they consume as much as possible before they go to bed.

So just eating twice a day. My name is Adam because my brother's named me Adam. You want to hear my brother's names? Yeah. Ismail, Abdullah, Mustafa. My mom's name is Zubida, my dad's named me Adam. You want to hear my brother's names? Yeah. Ismail, Abdullah, Mustafa. My mom's name is Zubida. My dad's name is Muhammad. So I got named Adam because my dad came over in 78 by himself.

He was with his brother, but he left the three kids and my mom. The way he told it to me was like he couldn't afford to bring everybody. He would have to leave somebody behind and he can't, there was no combination that you could have one person you can be behind and make it. Okay. Yeah. So he said,

I'm going to go on my own, save enough money. Took him seven years. They came over in this in a 85. So my brothers had gone to school in America for about a year by the time I was born. And they had kind of dealt with the ridicules. They're called fobs back

and maybe they're fresh off the boat. That's what they would call them. Wow. You're fresh off the boat. Look at these fucking fobs. Can you believe these fucking... That's how people would talk to me. Heavy accent probably. Heavy accent and two of my brothers, the two younger ones of my three older ones, both sound like

American. They sound like I do. Got it. but with heavy Chicago accents. Let me make sure Zito gets in on this. Zito, bear, that's not Chicago. Shy yins. Okay.

Go yinser for this guy. So that's how they talk to him. So the accent didn't help. I'm sure the skin tone didn't help, but their names were like, first day of class it is my it's my not gonna not gonna work here like the office space thing that's how teachers were in the a like nobody gave a shit about you like if you were foreign like they didn't care so it made it easy to get made fun of and my brothers were like no my mom wanted to name me muhammad dad. And my brothers were like, no. He's going to have every other disadvantage, which ended up not being true.

But I think they were just being older, protective brothers. They're like, we're not putting him at this disadvantage. Give him an American name. It was still religious. It still has religious connotations to it. First man, all that stuff. Let us name him. My brothers gave me my name. Well, I think Adam's a great name. I think it has a good cadence to it.

When I was told I was paired with you, it was written on a text or an email. They're like, you'll be with Adam, A-M-I-N. And we went around the boys. I was like, what are we doing here? What do you think? And we had a very cultured conversation, and we said, it's a mean. This is definitely a meme.

We said that. Sure. Then I go on Rich Eisen's show, and they say, you'll be in there with Adam Amin and Matt Hasselbeck. Did you think you had screwed it up? Yes. I thought I was wrong. I was like, well, they're not going to be wrong. So the entire interview, I couldn't even use your name, because I didn't know how to pronounce

it. So I was like, I can't wait to meet Matt, Molly, and Adam. Can't wait. It's going gonna be a lot of fun uh so i want to let you know we had a very cultured discussion and we got it right immediately and that was all i heard was nothing but great things about you which makes sense now that i've seen you operate because not only do you have you had mlb games there for a little bit yep you had college games and you had NFL games. Yeah. So your job, though, as a play-by-play person, is to know everything. I don't know most

of these fuckers' names. I mean, I couldn't even guess. There was one time where I didn't know the offensive coordinator's name and he was a pretty prevalent part of the story. So I had to, like...

You went with... You just went with Joe at one point for the PC. You're like, defensive coordinator Joe. I didn't know it was pronounced. Which sounds actually, I got to tell you, that sounds like homier. It sounds like familial.

It's like, oh, D.C. Joe. Good old D.C. Joe. He's great. Joe told me yesterday, because I didn't know how to pronounce his last name. And I probably should have asked before, but it was just we get live air. You have to know everything. So is your life just a constant study sesh? A lot of it is, in all honesty.

Watching you take notes in these meetings, I'm going to film it at some point so people can see it. The way you utilize your keyboard in this, it's like a graph that has every player's name, but you have to bounce around to enter the notes in the section underneath. I don't know if it's a spreadsheet or whatever the hell it is. Yeah, you could do it in a spreadsheet. It's Adobe InDesign.

So it's just like it's a template. It's like a chart. Never heard of it. But watching... Which, by the way, most announcers, like analysts, when they first get in, they're like, how do I do this? How do I organize this? The coaches, when we ask them a question, they might go on and answer with four different players. Exactly.

When we're looking for speed, we're going to this guy, we're going to this guy, we're going to this guy. And you have this ability. You're like the people in, like, the courtroom. Like, what's those? Stenographers. You are closed captioning the meeting. I watch you closed caption the meeting in your notes.

And it's not just straight ahead. You have to bounce around the players and the coaches. It's very fascinating. But I think, like, that plus being able to study, I think that's what makes you a weapon as a playbook player. That's your big advantage. I think because I've done this for so long at this pace. I've done three or four games, two to four games a week my entire career.

It's just how I was taught. You do as many as you can, as much of it as you can. And at some point, I'm going to have to slow down. I can't keep up this pace forever. But I've done it long enough to where I know the process. I know how to – where do I start? How do I start prepping for a team? If you told me, hey, you've got 24 hours and you've got to learn –

you've got to fill in for Fowler or something, I don't know, and you've got to learn these teams, how do you do it? Give me 24 hours, I can do it. It's tough, but I can do it because I have a process. And that's the thing with, like, you and Matt. I love watching you guys work because I can see the gears. I'm sure your listeners already know this because you've been with them for a long time. But it's interesting to watch you operate because you can tell with you and Matt, you both think very similarly.

You have producers. I tell our producer, you guys have the eyes and ears of producers, like TV producers. What would make good content? What would make interesting TV? Yeah. And you guys have the eyes and ears of producers, like TV producers. What would make good content? What would make interesting TV? Yeah. And you guys have that type of thinking. So when you learn something new, I can kind of see the gears in your head going, go, like, you kind of go, oh, okay.

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In the Stanford game. Yeah, you did. And I was like, we went to break. I was like, Adam, don't fucking yell at me like that. And I was like, Pat, nobody's yelling at you. You you did. And I was like, we went to break. I was like, Adam, don't fucking yell at me like I'm a kid. And I was like, Pat, nobody's yelling at you. You just did. So here's what happened.

I did feel bad. We both apologized to each other afterwards. We're friends, by the way. That's going to happen. That's the way it happens. And here's the thing. Here's why I got upset. Here's why I got upset, too. Here's why I shouldn't have.

I got upset at you because we had talked about the cough button yes and your mic and your these mics we have by the way are overly sensitive they're like like if you move your headset a little it's like you can hear it yes in the headset it's annoying so so they're overly sensitive but if you move it like we talked about this like try to use your cop button i like you had just moved it to a to a perfectly acceptable black yeah you were talking and i and you were just whispering back and forth Michael Black. Yeah. Michael Black was telling me. And you were just whispering back and forth, but I could hear you. So I was like, I literally and I when I say snapped, I mean, I was an asshole.

I kind of like legit like actually snapping. Oh, yeah. And you pointed at me and yelled. Yeah. I didn't yell because we were on the air. You gave me like a quiet yell. It was like your face. I didn't like say it.

I don't want to. I don't want to say I didn't say anything, but my mouth was like... I was mouthing, what do you... Yeah, but the intensity in your neck. It was overly intense. Yeah, I mean, it was a little tight. So here's why I should... So I got upset at you because we had talked about it, but here's why I shouldn't have gotten upset at you.

I've been doing this a thousand fucking times. Yeah. You've done this like ten times. Well, and I was on a different stage. And my cough button was two feet down. That was the other funny part about that. That's the other reason I was like, I really should have given him way more credit and given you way more leeway than that.

That being said, I hope you understand the reason I got upset is because I already expect so much of you. Yeah, don't worry about it. Because you and Matt, and I'll chip this to a compliment, you guys have learned so fucking fast. Well, we've had to, I think. And part of it, you get thrown into the fire. But I've seen a lot of analysts who get thrown in the fire, and within two weeks, they've lost.

They've lost it. They've lost the battle. You guys have won that already. And you're getting better every single week, which I love just seeing. They've lost it. They've lost the battle. You guys have won that already. And you're getting better every single week, which I love just seeing how you guys do it. But I shouldn't have snapped at you because it was like, I've been doing this for 10 years. You guys have been doing it for 10 minutes. Well, and also, I mean, that was my first technical error of the season. I mean, I pride myself on doing good things.

I was on a different level. I was literally two feet below you guys. My cough button was up in front of you. It was on a different level. I was literally two feet below you guys. My cough button was up in front of you. It was on the peak. You had to climb the mountain to get to. I had to reach to get to my cough button. You had to poke Hasselbeck in the ear to get to the actual cough button. So basically you create more noise by going to your cough button.

Potentially I would have to push Hasselbeck out of the way. But the thing about Adam is, and this is what people should know when they're watching games, the play-by-play guy is the quarterback, though. Like, legit. I was yelling at my offensive lineman. Exactly. But I was yelling at a rookie offensive lineman that wasn't doing anything particularly wrong.

Well, but it's all right, though. You're allowed to do that. That's your job. And literally we made up two minutes later. It was not a big deal. It was actually kind of cute. If people had seen us make up, it was like, wow. I was like, hey, man, I'm sorry for doing that.

And you were like, I'm sorry too. And we hugged each other and we went right back to work. And that game stunk. And it stunk. That game stunk. Adam, how'd you feel about the game? It stinks! Hey, there you go. Hey. It stunk. That's not bad right there. That's good delivery. I was, that, I,

the way I yelled that was how I snapped at you. That was the intensity level that was good. The, um, watching you kind of handle it, though, you have this personality, which I assume not a lot. I watch other games and people do it now from a completely different light. And watching play-by-play people now, it's a whole different animal after watching you work behind the scenes. What's different?

I don't think a lot of play-by-play people could handle me in there. I honestly think it's going to have to be the right fit for a play-by-play person. I don't think it's going to work because I can get a little mouthy and you have this ability to be selfless, but also keep the train on the tracks, which I watched some other people operate and I think they would be hitting my cough

button while I'm talking. So I think you do an incredible job of that. I think more people should take notice of that. That's kind of you to say, man. I don't what it is too like chemistry and booths it's it's hilarious i've heard this a big deal by the way it's huge it's well you said you said it actually the other night after our game i think maybe it was last week of the week before you were like man this is like i can't imagine what it would be like if i didn't get along with you guys oh because it's it's three days a week two a week, whatever it is. Plus phone conversations and all that

for like four months. Four straight months. Let alone you're locked in a cage watching a football game. You're in it. What I think people would find interesting, people don't realize that our preparation is so much like coaches' preparation. Maybe not as much like players' prep, but just

the process of studying to do this stuff. And like coaches you you gear yourself up that's why i get upset when people are like man you're so biased you got too excited for that team but not our team dude you don't understand the adrenaline that's pumping through all of us and you've been on the field yes so i can only imagine like this is your this is your connection back to that when a coach tells us that they're going to try something don't you get jacked and then it works it like... Don't you get so excited to be able to say that? Yeah, and for both teams, by the way,

for instance, tonight, West Virginia is literally my school, right? It's a place I want calling against Baylor, but Matt Rule and the Baylor Bears were the first team I ever got to commentate, right? So I have a very special relationship with them, and I love West Virginia, right? But tonight, yeah, from learning from both teams what they're

looking for, like when something good happens for them, I'm legitimately happy for them. I'm like, hey, these motherfuckers just tried something and it worked. Good for them. Or if a player does something that they were like, yeah, we don't know if this guy will be able to do this or not, and he makes it happen. I get genuinely excited. I get excited for when I want to see

cool stuff happen. And I didn't grow up on college football. So I don't know what it's like in Pittsburgh, but it's an NFL. It's Steeler City. Yeah, it's a pro town. And Chicago's a pro town. So I was a pro sports guy. I didn't understand what Auburn, Alabama was. And then I called

the kick six game. I didn't know what... I don't know what... That's your voice on the kick six? No, no, no. The one that they use is the late Rod Bramblitt. The rest in peace Rod. That's the radio. A radio announcer. I did the national radio call.

So it does exist. If I find it, I'll send it to you. But I didn't understand what the Iron Bowl was. I had no clue. I didn't understand what the – oh, cool, the Rose Bowl is on. No, people talk – ask Kirk Herbstreit about the Rose Bowl. He'll fawn over it. And rightfully so.

He understands how special it is. And rightfully so. He understands how special it is. And I didn't understand that until like a decade ago. Granddaddy of them all. I didn't understand why Keith Jackson was important. And then I started doing this and then I worked at ESPN and then it's like, oh, I kind of... Oh yeah, I love Keith Jackson. We talk about Keith Jackson all the time.

Every day. Keith Jackson's a very... Who's Keith Jackson? How dare you? How dare you? How dare you? Do you want to tell him? Go ahead, now. Well, no, it's not that.

He's the voice on the Vince Young touchdown against USC. You've heard his voice a thousand times. You've heard it. The granddaddy of them all, he coined that phrase. Oh, boy. Whoa, Nelly. Is that him? Oh, Hello Heisman is him.

Oh, so I love this guy. You love this guy. Hello Heisman is him. I didn't watch love this guy. You love this guy. Hello Heisman is him. I didn't watch college football. And that's what I'm saying. I didn't understand why these things were important. Doing things. But I'm with you.

I grew up on pro sports, so this is still new to me. So I get excited when these atmospheres. And also going to these atmospheres, meeting these coaches and the fans and everything like that. I am growing a real respect for college football. Not that I had respect for college football i played on one of the best teams of all time yeah i absolutely undervalued team you think by the way the most very undervalued in the scope of the last 20 years yeah and tomorrow night i'm gonna put them on for sure i have to retire five by the way but the um the entire thing was as soon as i left west virginia i started focusing on pro,

and I grew up watching pro football. So I just kind of got... So that was a right... It was like reconnecting to your childhood. I'm back in this. And I just kind of turned it off of college football. So my only college football references were like 10 years old whenever I was asked to come do this.

Now that I'm learning about it even more, especially with the game day experience last weekend. I mean, it's just... It's a very cool... It's much different than pro football. It is. It's a different sport. A hundred percent.

It is a completely different sport. It's reliant on, on atmosphere. Oftentimes it's not like that in every NFL city. Nope. It's, it's, there is a, that, that familial atmosphere to it. And just the pace. And how, I mean, has the, you guys were like, were you guys were a fast offense? Fast.

But you guys were an anomaly. Yeah. 10 years ago. Now it's like, you guys would have fast offense. Fast. But you guys were an anomaly 10 years ago. Now it's like you guys would have fit in very well. Pat White's probably the first or second pick of the draft if we come out now. Right now, yeah. Yeah, if that's the way it goes. He was Kyler. He was a taller Kyler, right? Yeah, he's like Tua, but he was faster.

Tua, okay, that's a better comparison. He played a lot like Tua, but he was faster. And I think he would have been first or second pick. I think there would have been teams tanking for Pat White now with how the game is now. I believe that. But we did run tempo, which has helped me calling games now because I literally was front row to one of the best tempo offenses

in the last probably two decades. The thing I remember telling you and Matt, we had a really good game that night, Tulane and Houston. Oh, it was fucking awesome. What a great game. Amazing game. Instant classic. We got to the fourth quarter with like 11 minutes left. And I noticed like, because this was only like our third game together,

or our second game together, I think. Second, because we skipped a week. So this was our second game together. And I turned to both of you guys because both teams were just ripping tempo. And I was like, hey, real quick, you guys are letting the rhythm, you guys are trying the rhythm you guys are trying to dictate the rhythm of the game yeah they're gonna dictate how we talk yeah yeah and you guys both look like you guys nailed it like that's why i go back to what i said about watching

your the gears in your head operate both you guys i like it clicked for both you i i felt really proud oh you should by the way we're learning everything from like you and molly which is a horrible fucking idea no but i don't think it is though because i think you're you're not the same mode now granted aside from your background and your everything like that you are a very different animal in there so us learning from you i think is good because that makes me happy well i don't think a lot of people when i i don't think a lot of people would be able to handle me in there i i don't think because the references i make you pick up literally everything i'm laying down i'm sure it helps that me and molly are around the same age and matt is a very young 53 and if he's not burying him because

he's not he's even better you know what i mean it's even better but uh i i think it's it's been awesome to kind of learn and watch you work. And it is. Remember, I got rejected from the broadcast boot camp three times. I think it's hilarious. Me too. It's part of the story. Just because I look at it now. I don't mean it's hilarious like it happened to you.

I'm saying it's hilarious now. It was hilarious when it happened too. Whenever I got rejected the first time. It's hilarious to think, what a bad bet. Somebody made a bad or failed to make. That's a bad beat for them. They failed to bet on you when they should have. Yeah, three times.

They failed to bet on you. My first time, my reel that I sent in was an hour and a half stand-up comedy special. I was like, here you go. I mean, is there not something we can do? This is just straight through. Then the second one, it was like a little bit of work with the news and a little bit of my own show and a little bit of comedy. I had somebody actually put it together. And then I had to write out why I wanted to go, what I thought I could do. That's hilarious.

And it's never got an email back. And then I saw pictures from it. I was like, oh, this motherfucker made it. That's awesome. Can we have this conversation? Who are your four favorite stand-up comics? Okay. Love Chappelle.

Love Chappelle. Love Bill Burr. Made him laugh twice in one night. Ron White. Big fan of Ron White. Tater Salad story is still one of the greatest things I've ever heard. You caught the tater. You caught me.

You caught the tater. Was my son tater tot? I was drunk in a bar. Now what he does, he plays all of his hits. Oh, yeah. And as soon as he said, I was drunk in a bar, the level of noise that erupts. You could hear a Ron White show at what he's doing,

that joke, from at least a mile away. I smoked vitamins with Ron White at a show in Indianapolis. Yeah, that was a big moment for me. Blue Collar Comedy Tour, obviously, when I was on Comedy Central all the time. That's how I got exposed to Blue Collar. I was like, I'm not going to like these redneck guys or whatever. And how silly of me to make that assumption about those four.

Not character-wise, no. They're just very corny comedians. I mean, that is something that has definitely happened. So I don't think you should feel bad about it. But it was really smart just the way. It was much smarter than I ever would have gotten. That was silly of me to have that type of presumption. And I like Kevin Hart.

I like Kevin Hart a lot. And I think you like him because he's your grinders. He's a grinder. He's a storyteller. I think he can make anything funny, and he knows exactly who he is. And I think his trip around all the comedy clubs with the email list and stuff, he was an overnight celebrity in like 15 years. It took him a long time, so he is a grinder.

I respect that. I can imagine all you guys in a circle before you guys do a show or something the way that he does. Everybody wants to be famous, but nobody wants to put the work in. I can hear you saying that. I think he's become a bit of a cliche machine here a little bit towards the end here because he's turned into a full business, which he is. He's a brand. But when he tells a story, there's not a lot of people that machine here a little bit towards the end here because he's turned into a full business which he is. He's a brand. But when he

tells a story, there's not a lot of people that can keep up with him. It's great. I enjoy storytellers a lot. And I like Chappelle just because I mean, Chappelle is one of the most brilliant. It's one of the smartest of all time. Buckshot! After that, it's

Buckshot, Buckshot, Buckshot. Do you like comedy? I agree. Why don't you do Do you like comedy? I agree. Why don't you do stand-up comedy? I don't think I could do it. Why? I can't write that bad. What a pussy, this guy.

I don't think I can write that. What's the best game you ever called? Best game I ever called? Biggest game. Biggest game? Like that Tulane-Houston game was massive. Instant classic. They'll show that again at some point down the road.

What's another game you've called that's like potential to be an instant classic uh any sport or yeah any sport i call the women's final four a couple years ago that's my it's one of my things girl rikio gumbawale shot at the buzzer to win the title is that when yukon got beat yukon well that was the semis she hit a jumper two nights prior to beat him over time and then two nights after she hit another buzzer beater for the national title okay there's a story in that that people would love to hear. Like them all towering over you. Maybe you interview them. And then the lady, whatever she told you in the meeting,

and then she hits the game winner again. Like there's an easy stand-up story in there that's relatable to everybody immediately. Maybe if I put some effort into it. I think half the battle for a lot of people is they probably think they can't do it. This is my defeatist attitude coming back. Yeah, this is you when you were 12 saying you're not going to make the baseball. See, I told you we were going to get this 12-year-old Adam right now. Yeah, you need to beat 12-year-old Adam.

You need to be 32-year-old Adam here and know that it's a lot easier to get up there than people say it is. Everybody says it's tough because they might stink. That's not your fault. That's like everybody's like, oh, business is hard. Doing this is hard. Everything's hard, man. Everything is hard. Everything's hard man. Everything is hard. This was hard like doing getting this job and like. Everything's hard. You know it's all difficult.

What Chuck we're going to say. Life is hard and once you figure that out it becomes a lot easier. The hardest thing about stand up is being able to get on the stage. Yeah. And then once you get up there usually people feel bad enough to laugh at the couple and you'll be able to have a little self awareness. Be like oh this isn't going well. I'm going to cut this early before they even like me people feel bad enough to laugh at the couple. And you'll be able to have a little self-awareness. Be like, oh, this isn't going well.

I'm going to cut this early before they even like me. I'm going to get out of here. I wish more people would do that. Sure. But I think you would do very well. Because the first stand-up special I ever saw was Bring the Pain. No. Chris Rock.

Yes. So when you see that, you're like, wow, this is really funny. Well, now, I will say that I am currently on a hiatus from stand-up due to Chappelle and Bill Burr. Okay. Because I watched it, and I said, well, I probably shouldn't get back on a stage for a little while if this is what the expectation is from people. So I am on a little bit of a hiatus, so I probably shouldn't be the one talking to you about this, but I think you should get up there and do it. I think you'd be good.

Man. I'll put Chappelle up there, too. So what's your future? What do you think? What do you think? I don't know. That's interesting. You call basketball.

You call baseball. You call the footballs. You call women Final Four. Is there going to come a time? I don't know this business well enough. Will ESPN come to you and they'll be like, all right, for your next contract, we want you to only do this? Or will they be like, we...

I think I'm going to say that at some point. I think maybe I'll probably be the one to be like, hey, you know what would be good? Can we just narrow it down a little bit just to maybe instead of doing six – Is that the evolution of the business though? Maybe. I don't know. I imagine it's hard to keep up six sports or seven sports for however many years you do it. And I like certain sports, and I want to kind of focus on those.

Yeah, which one do you enjoy the most? It's hard. Like the football, basketball, baseball combo, which is the three I grew up on the most, I like all three of them. So for me, it's whatever season you're in, whatever the next one is in those three, you get all jacked up. Who do you look up to? Joe Buck does everything. I grew up on

probably Mike Tirico. He's so smooth, it feels like. Tirico, because he does everything, and he does everything well. Dan Schulman, who works at ESPN. I don't know who that is. He does the World Series on radio. He's our main college basketball guy.

Yeah, you'll see him with Billis. He'll always be with Vitale. You'll see him with Billis on every big college basketball game that we have. Awesome. Those two guys. And then Ian Eagle at CBS. He was the guy who kind of broke me into the business. He got me like an agent basically inadvertently without him knowing it.

Ah, thank him for that. It's great. His kid is now the voice of the Clippers on radio, so I get to see both of them during the NBA season. What a job that is to get right now. Yeah, right out of the gate. Yeah, just beating the hell out of LeBron. Man. I'm excited for that. What's going on with LeBron? Well, the Lakers are back.

They're hot. That's the only game they've lost. Okay, good. I'm all the way back on the run. I'm all the way back on the run. No hockey games, huh, Adam? What's that? No hockey games, huh? I've never called a hockey game. Is that because it's a lot of white people?

Yeah. Interesting. We didn't. Is that why? If that deterred me from calling a sport, we'd have limited our scope a long time ago. Now, what is the thought, though? Your future. What's the dream job?

I guess obviously one of them showcased primetime. Probably a primetime game somewhere down the line. Because that's how it works, right? You get that gig, that's the pinnacle of your profession. You would love to have the chance to call a World Series, an NBA Finals, a Super Bowl, a college football title,

a Wimbledon or something like that. You'd love to have some crap. Listen, I don't want to be greedy. I've gotten some big opportunities. I wouldn't be where I am if they didn't take a chance on me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're very grateful. But we're talking about like –

But you want to do the biggest possible show. If you get a chance to do the Super Bowl in this era where it's the most popular sport in America, it gets the biggest audience consistently every week, and for its biggest event, know 100 million people whatever 100 i mean used to be more than that uh before you know probably like 1990 it was huge numbers so you'd love to do that and and i don't like to compare ratings i don't really care about that it's just if that many people care that's cool yeah you have a lot of people. And you're guiding the game.

You're guiding people through one. That's a national holiday in America. Yeah. And you're the subject of that. Not you personally. You're adjacent to the subject of that, but you're a part of that. You think you can handle the Super Bowl right now? I think you could.

Yes. I think you could, too. You'll never get it within the next 20 years. Yeah. There's a reason those jobs don't get given away. You have to be one of the best to do this. I don't think I'm that necessarily, but I think I could handle this. I think there's a lot of us that could. Isn't there an alternative broadcast we could find somewhere? Don't we know enough people that have rights? I don't think I'm breaking any news

here, but you're probably going to be at the national championship game for college football this year. I've done the sideline broadcast on ESPN2. You know you're going to end up on it somehow. Am I? They're going to rope you into it if you didn't know that already. And frankly, I would love to have, because

I've done that field pass the last three years, and we rotated a bunch of analysts. It's a blast. And you only have to do like a half a quarter if you want to. What am I doing? You're an analyst from the sideline, but we're looser. It's basically like the show we do like on Thursdays, except with very little structure.

And we're on the sideline the whole time. We're kind of like running up and down, following the play. It's great. It's a blast. That does sound like a great time. It is a blast. It is so much fun. Pat is on the field right now.

It's a blast. That does sound like a great time. It is a blast. It is so much fun. Pat is on the field right now. And you guys should do an alternative alternative of just commenting on him. You know how Cartman comments on people commenting on somebody else? I was getting SeatGeek tickets just for you guys so you could watch the thing in your streaming live as well. They just hopped over an athletic trainer on the Alabama

sideline. Pat may have kicked the mascot. He kicked the mascot? That's amazing. I was petrified to do this because I was like, I can't hang with you guys. You guys are hilarious. Amazingly entertaining.

We're done with it. Show's over. We're sick of it. We don't need any more of that. All right, fuck you guys. You guys suck. These guys stink. They stink. We're a bunch of stooges and sell-offs. You guys are awesome.

Adam Amin, you're an incredible story, man. You really are. And you're really good at what you do. I like working with you guys, man. It's been a blast. And I've never met a human like you wow that's what a nice thing to say to another person

that is a tremendously cool thing to say to another person I'm assuming I've met somebody like you before but I've never hung around the nerdiness the ability to take those notes and study them and know everything I have never once had a friend like that ever and we're talking about from kindergarten all the way through just the in-depth detail of studying

and the work when it comes like a school type thing never in my life have i ever met anybody so watching you do it it's like it's literally just like watching a complete different world happen and it's very impressive that's very nice you to say buddy yeah now granted saying that i don't know how many of yous are out there like i don't know if what you do is really that crazy most people think i'm adnan burke so no i'm not talking about that geez why are you gonna take it to that that is terrible i will say uh shout out chicago public schools yeah that's what i'm saying you became you're an incredibly you're a wizard to watch work and the amount of knowledge that you're able to jam into your brain

and then do a game and then do another one is just next level. No, I appreciate that. And Adam Van Kirk, I assume he's the same way. He's a delight. That's still one of my favorites. He texted me, and he's like, this guy's awesome. Well, dude. I did five minutes with him.

He's like, this guy's awesome. I did that boxing thing, and they were like, will you go talk to Adnan? And it was loud. You thought the name was Adam Van Kirk. Well, the lady said, would you mind doing an interview with Adnan Virk? Yeah, Virk. Adnan Virk, but we were at a fight.

That's how you heard it. I heard Adam Van Kirk. And then as I walked up and I saw him, I'm like, that's not Adam Van Kirk. I know that guy. There's no way. I'm not a white Dutch guy. No, I wasn't talking about that either. I think I know that guy. I know him. There's no way. What, a white Dutch guy? No, I'm not talking about that either. I'm talking about I knew him.

Can I tell you one story before we finish? Yeah, why is everybody bringing in the race here? I think you'll like this one. My first job out of college was in a small town in northwest Iowa, Spirit Lake, Iowa. It's a town of 3,000 people. Oh, Spirit Lake. Summertime, it's the dirtiest, like, partiest place,

and it's restaurants and bars and all this. And then in the wintertime, nobody will go there if they got paid to do it. Awful weather. So my first job, I get hired there. They call me to tell me I get the job. I tell my dad. I was like, hey, dad, I got the job. He's like, hey, congratulations.

That's awesome. Ten minutes later, they call me back. And I was like, oh, no. They tell me to go. I was like, did I get fired already? Like, no, no, no, like no no no nothing like that so would you be willing to use an on-air name would you be willing to change your name for for on the air oh a stage name a stage name and i was and listen like dan patrick that's his middle name his name's daniel pew daniel patrick pew he goes by dan patrick

sounds great. What? A lot of guys have done that. Steven Fabian. Plum High School. I go by Zito. Jose Perez. Changed it. That's solid.

Go live and die by it. I like it. I respect it. What were you thinking about changing it? They asked me, what would you think of Adam Kelly? AK in the house, y'all. Top of the morning. AK is here. That's what we would have called the morning show so i was like i don't know about that let me let me call you back and my dad is still sitting there he goes

what what would they ask you i was like they they what do you what would you think what would you think if they they asked like you to change your name you go son i gotta tell you i i i'm happy that you got this job but if you if you change name, I'm going to be pretty fucking mad. Adam Kelly, a nice Irish kid. A nice Irish kid whose parents are from Pakistan. If you had to pick a stage name, would you? No. Adam Kelly wasn't bad by any means.

I just can't think of another one. I think if you listen to the room here, just a quick little sample size. Adam Amin is better than Adam Kelly. Everybody puckered up real hard when I said Adam Kelly. I with adam i like you i oh strong the god of mortal combat style i like that finish him go by ac2 i mean that's not that'd be all right i like my name a lot i like it sounds like quick like a shout out to to Rich Eisen for not getting it right. Putting my mind in a blender. Oh, by the way, clearly my career, crushing it.

People don't know how to pronounce my name either. We spelled your name wrong the first time. Pat McCaffey. Thanks, Brad. Thank you so much for coming, Adam. You're the best. You guys are awesome. Adam Amin, ladies and gentlemen. Huge thanks to Adam Amin for joining us the washington nationals just hit

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Not only a four-time All-Pro and a Super Bowl champ. Not only a guy that was on Team Jordan, which is incredible, by the way. A guy that was a good locker room guy. A guy that actually got me home one night when I was too drunk to get home myself. Ladies and gentlemen, superstar Dwight Freeney. Dwight, how's it going, man? You're here for FanDuel. Absolutely. Which is a partner of mine as well.

The best place to gamble online and at Sportsbook. If it's in your state, you should do FanDuel. You've always been an incredible gambler. You know what? I find my moments. I find my little pockets to go ahead and throw a little wager on stuff. We definitely have stories. Yes, I think my favorite

time ever is a Gatorade bottle shot into a trash can with Austin Colley. It was a double or nothing situation. You were ice cold and at one moment Austin Colley knew that the number was or nothing situation. You were ice cold. And at one moment, Austin Colley knew that the number was too big, and he was scared to say no more double down. And you hit like a $20,000 Gatorade bottle shot.

I don't know the number. But you make bets until they're uncomfortable. And when they're uncomfortable, all of a sudden the form just goes away. Okay, so everybody knows Dwight Freeney, right? You're a man who completely revolutionized the game out of Syracuse. Whenever you were on a field, the other quarterback had nightmares. We were told that by numerous coaches that came into our facility. Chuck Pagano, whenever he got to the Colts,

literally told a story about how other teams' quarterbacks, whenever they were playing against Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeney, they would have nightmares all week. What was it about your game that you think made you so different in a trailblazer at defensive end? Well, the thing is, Pat, it's, you know, before me, okay, there weren't a lot of guys drafted at my size. Okay. Undersize, I guess, you know, for me.

You know, now, they'll be drafted, but it'll be more situational okay there'll be third down Thoman and third down maybe take a linebacker who's an outside linebacker in a 4-3 scheme who doesn't really rush all right let's put him at defense vent he seems like he's a quick fast guy so when I was drafted you know high at the undersized 6-1 what what have you, and made it to be an every down guy. That's what kind of set the standard of, look, it's not about how tall you are. This is not basketball. I'm not trying to black shots and grab rebounds here. I have natural low leverage.

I'm underneath guys. This is something that someone hadn't seen before, and now I can take advantage of that. Yeah, Zito looked up a stat because that's what Zito is, our stats guy. He can barely read, but he's a good stat guy. College graduate. Good with numbers. Good with numbers. I'll actually know, but yeah. He said you squatted like 700 and some pounds in college. Is that

accurate? Yes. So to say somebody's undersized when they have a 700 pound squat is a very interesting situation, but I guess that's now after getting to watch you. I don't think I was young enough to see the guys beforehand that had to be big because they assumed you couldn't stop the run. So what it was is they had this prototype of 6'5", 280 pounds. That's basically as a defensive end, that's what you had had to be to be dressed.

So basically you had to be Michael Strahan. And once you have success at that height or that size, then that just became what the standard is for years and years and years to come. So there was no guy who was 6'1", playing, you know, he's not tall enough, he can't see the quarterback, he's not going to be able to see the running back when he gets engaged with the offensive line. So when I got there and was successful at it,

then all of a sudden you see all these other guys who are getting drafted high or what have you, and they're quote-unquote undersized and making plays. Any guys you enjoy watching right now that are in the league? You know what? I like how Mack plays. Mack from Chicago, he has a tremendous amount of intensity. I think Aaron Donald is also a guy that, you know.

He's a game-wrecker, dude. Let me tell you something. I mean, if I would have had Aaron Donald at D-tackle, they couldn't even line up and play football. I mean, the guy is a complete beast. What he does is how they slide a protection to him. He can't stop him on run plays. He can't stop him on pass plays.

People don't realize how that shrinks the playbook. When you go into a game and you watch film, watching a team, they'll have every single play. This play action pass, this pass, this, that, and the other. And all of a sudden, when they play guys like me, Robert, probably like Aaron, all of a sudden, that playbook goes from 40 plays down to 20 plays because 20 of those plays they can't run because they don't have the time to do it.

It's a game changer. And you mentioned that if you had him at D-Tackle, that would help because there was times in your last couple years with us where they would run, a tight end would chip you, tackle would have you, and then a running back would chip you as well. It was crazy. And it's funny, you tight end would chip you, tackle would have you, and then a running back would chip you as well. It was crazy.

And it's funny, you know, John Turlink, you know, our legendary D-line coach who coached me for years, we were talking about it. And he said, you know, there's a question that I had to him. I said, hey, JT, I'm seeing all type. Can you go back in the film and look and see how guys before me dealt with that type of protection, whether it be a receiver, tight end coming in.

He said, Dwight, that never happened. He said, that was actually created just for you. That does feel pretty good. And I said, wait a minute, just for me? So there's nothing I can watch that? And he said, no. He said, we're just going to have to deal with this on the fly. So now when I see protections like that and they're still doing it I know from that perspective between me and Robert we pretty much screwed all the other defensive ends and fast guys because now I laugh and see how what they have to deal with knowing that you know that kind of started with me when they motion a guy from nowhere and all of a sudden it's like

now I have to look outside and the quarterback's here and I have to worry about somebody chipping me on the outside. So when you have an interior guy like Aaron Donald, who doesn't have to deal with that, that's why he can wreck everything because you can't do anything with that. So you were a game changer coming in for being undersized, and then going out you screwed them all over. You're like, hey, good luck.

Now you've got to deal with that. We had Kyle Van Nooy on, and that patriots defense is dominant i mean they're leading that team up there and he talked about how before the game belichick would call like five players in and he would show up on the the on like a telestrar or teleprompter whatever it is television you get it and he'd be like hey whenever this guy moves his right foot back it's a run whenever this guy's left foot is forward it's a pass and it's something small left foot is forward, it's a pass. And it's something small as that was a tell that they were able to use for an entire game and be dominant.

Was there anything that you looked for in games that you were like, you know what, this is going to help me out going forward? Well, I mean, that's kind of what you do is you study film going into the week. And, you know, I was blessed to have guys like Tony Dungy and John Terlink, you know, a legend at what he did. We'll find the smallest little thing, a key, you know, and we'll say, okay, let's see if this holds up. First quarter, okay, it's holding up.

You know, for us it's kind of like it could be something small, just like how you said. You know, whenever the quarterback has his hands up here in shotgun, you know, it's going to be a pass. But if he has it down here and then put it up you know it's going to be a pass but if he has it down here and then put it up then it's going to be a run and we'll just key up key on that and if it holds up good night that is you know night and when i say hold up i mean it has to be like 80 80 is around that thing is it doesn't matter that 20 who 80%, it means I'll do anything 80%. 80%, if they're doing something 80%, I'm all in. Well, that's good odds, by the way.

You're here for FanDuel. 80% is good odds. Absolutely. Yeah, great. I would take that any day of the week. I had 100% against Troy Palomalu. He ruined my life. So he can go to hell still to this day.

Great player, terrible human. Squash and dream. Speaking of squash and dreams, the Colts are back. Yes, sir. As a Mount Rushmore of Indianapolis Colts, which you are. You're in there. You're one of the staples of the Indianapolis Colts when people think of that. Has to be good to have the team back in relevance a little bit.

Oh, absolutely. I mean, when you're part of something for so many years, you know, you feel like you're still part of it. You know, you're still part of that DNA and I'm sure you feel the same way. It's just, you know, that emotion doesn't go. It stays with you, you know. And when you see them succeed, you feel part of you that you've succeeded. When they succeed, you feel great when they win. You know, a lot of those guys that are there now were there when I was playing so when I see a guy like Frank Wright or I see a guy like Howard Mudman or you know a guy I played with is Robert Mathis still there

it makes me feel good because I want to see those guys succeed in the way that we did things back in the day and Frank is pretty much you know a statement the way he goes about coaching guys is very similar to how Tony used to kind of talk to guys you know not yelling and screaming no need for all of that treating everybody like men so when I went there this off season in training camp I saw that and I saw that he had those guys, you know, believing in what they were doing. Yeah, it's not just the players and coaches. It's the equipment managers, the athletic trainers. It's good to see everybody succeed over there.

That's any time people are like, are you still a fan of the Colts? I'm like, yeah. I got a lot of friends in that building whose happiness depends on whether or not they're good at football. 100%. And the game of football, as you know, is already stressful as it is. Yes. You know, so whenever you can have a family type of atmosphere,

somewhere where you can go to work and be actually somewhat happy about doing that. Obviously, Sunday's different. You go to Sunday, you can play for free. I've always said that. It doesn't matter. That's why you love the game. But Monday through Saturday can be tough when you're walking into a building where you just don't want to be in based on the mentality

of certain coaches or what have you. So if you have a place where you actually love the folks that you're around and it's a family atmosphere, it feels so much better. What do you feel about Nick Bosa right now? I think he's balling. And it's crazy because, you know, at the defensive end position or outside linebacker,

what he does, it's tough to transition from college to the pros. Because it's boys to men? Is that what? Well, it's that, but it's also a lot of times in college that your skills are not that, you know, you're just, you know, running over, you know, high school greats or what have you in college or whatever. But it's just more athleticism, you know?

Yeah. So, you know, when you see him, he's actually using some good techniques and fundamentals as he's going through, which obviously he's been taught, and it makes sense. His father played in the NFL. His brother played in the NFL. So his skill set is a lot higher

than what a rookie would have coming in because there's players who have been in the league two, three, four, five years that just run, just run around and try to make plays. He's actually using his hands, his hips, and all those things. Joe Tessitore said last night about T.J. Watt that he got a chance to see behind the scenes on what made a great player great with his brother J.J. Absolutely. And I think that's a big deal, knowing what happens behind the scenes.

Because everybody can see what happens on Sunday and on TV. And I think in any business, by the way. People can see what happens whenever it's in the spotlight. But those hours of work and the way you have to take care of your body and the way you have to treat everything is what make the greats greats. You were impeccable at this, the way you took care of your body. Did you kind of know early, like, hey, I'm going to use science to help me as well? Well, you know what? I was blessed to have a lot of people around me that kind of knew what the deal was, you know, and I was always, you know, I'm a guy that always

wanted to find a way to get better, you know, and I didn't want to give it any excuse to why on Sunday when I line up and play the game, I didn't want anything else to be left to chance. You know, whatever happens in the game happens in the game, but I have complete and total control over everything that happened up until the game. So that means how I prepared, what I ate, how I lifted, how much sleep I got, those things I can control. So therefore I'm going to put myself in the best situation to succeed on Sunday so that I said, okay, I did my job Monday through Saturday. Now it's fine for me just to finish off the job on Sunday. You were ahead of the game because we got these nutritionists now that set up everything.

Here, you're doing this shake. You're eating this food. You're doing this. Back in the day, there was pizza and wings the night before games. People were drinking beer the night before games. I was in the league when that was happening. And then by the end of my career, it was a completely different ballgame. You had a lot of scientists in there doing a lot of things.

You had, way ahead of your time, you had a special diet you had that people made for you. You had water that I assume had high pH levels in it. I mean, it was awesome. I used to look at Franny go in his back room and then come out with his bag and his bottle. And I'm like, what is that special sauce? Exactly. But the thing is, is that I was like I said, I've been blessed to have some real intelligent people around me that taught me the right things and understood is that, look, the food that you eat, that's the fuel that you're going to need to perform at your best on Sunday. So that's all I had to hear because I'm saying, okay, pizza and wings. Really good, by the way.

Which are great. Which are absolutely great. But do you want to play your best on Sunday or do you want to play your best on Friday at the dinner table? You know what I'm saying? You're eating your wings and say, okay, this is my 15th wing, you know, or 20th wing. I'm breaking the record. But am I forgetting about Sunday?

I can do that after the game. Now, after the game? Yes. Have a great time. Yes. All of that good stuff. But not leading up to the game. No way.

You know, that's just my mentality. I talk about those plane rides home from away games, how awesome used to be oh my goodness so much fun man that was an absolute blast one of my favorite memories is you playing cards with raheem brock i these two these two ogs right are sitting in their own section playing cards and everybody that i was sitting around was asleep or whatever and i was wide awake and i wouldn't have a good time so i go to the back wherever they were, and I'd literally just start watching. I felt like a weirdo, you know?

And Frini was like, hey, what's going on, man? You want to play? I'm like, no, no. I started looking at the numbers that you guys were playing for. I'm a pretty good card player, but I am not. That's how we get you in. You know, all the vets would be sitting in the back, we're playing, and then we'll get a young guy just walking by,

kind of like, oh, what are you guys doing? Oh, you want to learn? Let's teach you. It'll be easy. Come in. Let me show you. And all of a sudden, we suck him in. You know, so that's what it is.

Boo-ray. What a game. Yes, sir. What an incredible game. Those times in the locker room are things that people, you can't duplicate, right? Like, I have my boys here. It's incredible, but we don't play a game we don't have like that big celebration is there any part

of you that misses that and how have you adapted well that's the thing and that's what people and you hit it right on the head pat it's it's those types of things where you're experiencing things with your teammates who are going through the same exact struggle that you're going through, the same emotions that you're going through, and doing these things, these things that seem like, oh, you're playing cards, but you're also bonding, you know, and you're also knowing, you're in the same mental space. These are things that you do together and that you will remember forever because it's like those plane rides. It was just something that was epic. Epic.

Epic plane rides where you're in your feelings because you lost, or you're in your feelings because you won. And it's just like you're sharing that with those who went through the same struggle or success that you went through, and it's something that you'll never forget, and there's no replacing that because that's just how it is. the way on those plane rides you got people who are making you know 50 million in their career you got people making uh 150 300 000 all breathing the same air all in the same space feeling the same exact way it's a beautiful piece of time people from compton people from louisiana people who are uh very wealthy growing up people for in that little

plane is just like this epitome of like perfect harmony. And that's what I'm saying. And it's different because what happens is it's different than other, because, you know, after practice, you go home, you go do what you got to do, whatever that is. But in this plane ride, there's no going anywhere. We're all together for these.

Stuck in one plane. And it's kind of like, you know what? Let's have fun and enjoy this moment. And you don't realize how much you enjoyed it until it's gone and it's done. So those are one of the things. And I also say the other thing I miss is just Sunday. And I tell people this all the time. It's like a drug.

It's like, you know, think about Gladiator for those who don't play. Think of Gladiator, think of Braveheart, that feeling of 80,000 Romans or whatever have you screaming your name, screaming that adrenaline rush that you get in those moments can never be duplicated ever, ever again. So it's what you miss, that type of feeling. You told me one time, and it's a quote that has literally stuck with me to today, and I think you said it in a throwaway comment, but it was during a card game, and it was before a primetime game. And you said, when the lights come on, the stars come out.

That's literally what you said, sir. And I have literally learned since then, like, if we're in a primetime game, there was zero chance that Dwight Fringy wasn't going to have an incredible sack. There was a zero chance because in his primetime. What's going on over here? We have breaking news. The Jets are looking to get rid of Le'Veon Bell before the trade deadline. Oh, that's very interesting.

Hey, he's quick. Yeah. He just got there. Bring him back. James Conner just got hurt last night. Who knows how healthy he is. Is Lev going to go back to the Pittsburgh Steelers, or is he going to go to a contender?

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Diehard Steelers fans. Oh, really? Yeah. Nice. Was there ever talk of you being traded at any point? Because today is trade deadline. Not that.

Back when we played, we were down. There wasn't trades like that, especially in our organization. Bill Poling wasn't trading anybody. How do you think that would feel, by the way, just to be told your family has to move to another city

because we decided to get rid of you? Well, depends on how good the team was. Either I'm celebrating, you know, or I'm not.

You know, in the end, you know, we understand the business, but it's not like basketball or baseball where you know it's actually

a real, real part of it. It's a surprise when it happens. Le'Veon Bell was paid a lot of money and then that GM was promptly fired. So the people that are in charge of the jets right now, aren't the people that gave him the money, which is a situation you ended up in with the Indianapolis culture last season.

You talked about a little bit during a commercial break. I don't expect you to dive into it as much, but your last couple of years in the NFL, you were transferred from a DN to an outside linebacker. Yeah. And it during the commercial break. I don't expect you to dive into it as much, but your last couple years in the NFL, you were transferred from a DN to an outside linebacker. Yeah, and it was a huge deal. I mean, for me, it's my last year in Indianapolis when we hired Chuck Pagano, who is a great guy. Great guy.

Great guy. I got put in a situation where he wanted to use his system. His system was what was successful at the Ravens, which was a 3-4 type of defense where, you know, you had to do different things. So for me, being a defensive end for all those years, now asked to stand up and be an outside linebacker was a big deal, okay? So now all of a sudden you're trying to teach an old guy, old dog, which I was already old, okay, at that point, you know, 11 years in or whatever it was, new tricks.

And now all of a sudden I got branded somehow as an outside linebacker. So for the next three years, you know, it was San Diego. Hey, we need an outside linebacker. Let's look at the names of the outside linebackers. Oh, Dwight Freeney, outside linebacker. I'm like, okay, you guys want me to be an outside? Next thing you know, fast forward, I'm running down the field covering Gronkowski on 40 yard, you know, post routes, chasing him down. Like, what am I doing? You know,

it's hilarious, but it is what it is, you know, unfortunately, you know, for me, but, you know, fortunately I got to meet new people, new, new experiences, new things. So I don't think anything happens for no reason. And what it is, what it is. But would I love to stay a defensive end? Absolutely. You're one of those humans that breathe that elite air that not a lot of humans do. Tom Brady, there's a lot of chatter about him leaving the Patriots after this year. Still playing incredibly well, by the way, although that defense is dominant.

What do you think about the thought of a premiere? We got like a minute and a half left, so I left you a lot of time to answer this. Good talk show host. What do you think about the thought of Tom Brady potentially leaving the Patriots and what he's been able to do for this long with the TB12 and everything like that?

Well, I don't see it happening. Leaving? I don't see it happening, to be honest with you. Why is that? Well, you know what? He's been there for a long time, okay? And you hear chatter all the time from the Patriots year in and year out

about this guy, that guy, this person's unhappy, will Bilicek return? And every year they return. They continue doing their thing. You know, it'll be hard for me to see Tom pick up and move to a different organization. Like I said, old dog, new tricks.

You don't know what he's going into. That could potentially tarnish, if you can, tarnish that type of career. All of a sudden, he goes into a different system, and he has issues with the offense coordinator, throwing all types of interceptions and picks, and he questions different things. I don't see it happening. I think he's at a good place and a good space at the Patriots.

People are saying he could potentially end up with the Cowboys. That's obligatory Cowboy talk for the last hour here. We just snuck that in. Didn't get Dak's deal done during the bye week. Nope. Is that a distraction? I don't know. I mean, it can be.

It's a lot of money. I think anything that's not related to the actual game in the moment can be a distraction. But the Cowboys are used to that. They do. They're used to distractions. I was born into distractions. All right, we're going to wrap this up. Franny, you were great, dude.

I appreciate you having me. If you're going to gamble, gamble with FanDuel because they're regulated. They've got the best odds. Absolutely. And Frini's about to drain a putt to boost some odds on the FanDuel mobile app here shortly whenever we get off the air. We're heading to Waco, Texas tomorrow to call the Baylor-West Virginia game on Halloween night. Should be a lot of fun.

And I believe there's some big news coming this weekend, too. What? Thanks to Dwight Frini, ladies and gentlemen first ballot hall of famer tell you what he's a good dude man sent me a limo one time when i was drunk downtown to get me home i played cards with him before not that one we talked about on the plane ride it was big that gatorade bottle shot it was wild he was just a good dude a cool superstar very smooth handsome and knows his shit inside and out can't thank dwight freeney enough for stopping by appreciate what he did to boost some odds too on fan duel for uh the sack prop bet for the colts it used to be plus 200 now it's plus 300 thanks to dwight

freeney the colts will get three sacks i believe they will especially with Dwight Freeney. The Colts will get three sacks. I believe they will, especially with Dwight Freeney's good graces. Jim Mercer announced shortly after he was on our show that he will be entering the Colts' ring of honor. Congrats to him. It'll be Freeney Day. I believe they're playing the Dolphins. Smart marketing. Get them in there for Dwight Freeney.

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Listen baby You're too dangerous for my heart Listen, baby Yeah, she makes me try to believe that it's alright Ooh, she really had me, I was stuck cold inside I'm sick of all your sad, sad stories We're busy, what's to worry? I don't want another story from you I can't stop thinking that it's too late for love It's too late to love your heart I'm thinking that you're too dangerous

You're too dangerous for my heart You're too dangerous for my heart You're too dangerous for my heart I can't stop thinking that it's too late for love It's too late to love your heart I'm thinking that you're too dangerous You're too dangerous for my heart You're too dangerous for my heart You're too dangerous for my heart Too late to love Too late to love your heart

Yes I know Yes I'm thinking that You're too dangerous You're too dangerous for my heart You're too dangerous for my heart. Too dangerous for my heart.