The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1248 - TNF Recap, NFL Week 12 Preview/Picks, Ohio State Head Coach Ryan Day, Nick Saban, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

n today’s show, Pat and AJ Hawk are live from inside the Horseshoe in Columbus, Ohio on the campus of Ohio State before tomorrow’s massive top 5 matchup between the Indiana Hoosiers and Ohio State Buckeyes, while the rest of the boys are in back in Indianapolis. They recap last night’s snowy affair between the Steelers and Browns that ultimately saw Jameis Winston and the Browns defeat the Steelers in a nailbiter, before looking at the entire week 12 NFL slate and making their picks against the spread. Joining the progrum to chat about tomorrow’s massive top 5 tilt against Indiana, his team as a whole, his relationship with Chip Kelly, and the amount of skill he has on his team this year is Head Coach of the Ohio State Buckeyes, Ryan Day. Later, 7x National Champion, College GameDay panelist, the GOAT, Nick Saban joins the show to preview tomorrow’s top 5 matchup, chat about the impact weather will have on the game and SEC schools to have to travel north and deal with weather during the College Football Playoffs, his thoughts on Army vs. Notre Dame, how recruiting has changed, and why he thinks Indiana is better than people are giving them credit for. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’ll see you on overreaction Monday, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to the show happening on this Feel Good Friday, November 22nd, 2024. Caldum starts now! Football! It is absolutely wonderful. AJ Hawk and I are live from the horseshoe over here in Columbus. There's a little bit of sleet, there's a little bit of snow. They say it feels like it's 25 degrees outside, but I feel alive because it's not just me here on this great Feel Good Friday. Normally the man who's

back in Indianapolis in the Thunderdome manning my seat hosting the program is right next to me. Ladies and gentlemen, the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, All-American here at Ohio State, AJ Hawke. AJ, how you doing, Bell? Feels good, man. Feels good to be here at the bottom of this tunnel. Got a big game tomorrow. We got some sleeting rain. It feels almost like we're in Cleveland. Yeah, bottom of the tunnel. The tunnel was a place that was chosen for this particular program

because we knew it was gonna rain. And I thought for sure that meant that we would be covered, but we are not covered. All the tech is covered. We are outside. We are at the end of it because the echo in the tunnel, cause it is tight quarters here. The echo in the tunnel was a little bit too wild so we get a chance to take on Ohio as tomorrow the Indiana University

Hoosier football team will step foot on to this field and try to do battle against the entire state of Ohio with college football playoff implications and precedents on the line AJ that line goes from 13 and a half at one point to 10 and a half I think it even hit 10 at some sports books ESPN bet has it at 10 and a half what happened what is going on what is the news that we don't know about why three points just David Copperfield vanish over a week for this big-time guy I would assume obviously Ohio State losing our all-american center has something to do with that line. No, that happened this morning.

That line moved. What's going on man? What do these people know that we don't know? Well, let's go back to this Thunderdome to one half of the hammer died. Cowboys AP tone. Tell them, movement like this, what does this indicate? I tell you what, I did a lot of research on it this morning. AJ's right about the injury, but that injury happened earlier in the week and the move didn't happen until, you know, all of yesterday. The money is on Indiana, 60 percent, but normally, normally 60 percent wouldn't cause a three-point line swing. Now it has gone back up to 10 and a half, 11 at some places. So to be honest, I don't know, I don't know if there's some huge money bett coming in on Indiana But no 60% of the public is on Indiana was the only thing that I could potentially think of

Little diddy John Mellicamp might be the Betting man. He might have put the big money on Indiana obviously pulling for the Bloomington boys coming in here to columbus let's go to the toxic table at boston connor and at ty schmidt con man i'll start with you buddy uh do you feel in indiana university who's your upset here in columbus this weekend because if it does all chaos is going to break loose in college football if i'm the buck guys i'm worried first

of all losing the center is huge and we've talked about that D Lyman Camara. He's a problem He's got like nine and a half sacks losing the the stalwart center That's been a stud a Q chip We said, you know, he's gonna win the Remington if you're losing one of your best players one of your best players on the offensive line Especially that's a massive loss and look at the weather you guys are doing with over there sleet rain There might be some snow where this is gonna be one in the trenches you could argue so losing the best guy for the Buckeyes I'd be worried if I'm AJ Hawk I'm shitting my pants right now I'm staring down the fact that I have to look at Ohio in the face and tell them yeah Indiana is no longer a basketball school we got to

remember that for next year and we might have to remember that again in the playoffs because what happens if this becomes a rematch in the quarterfinals, you know, in the semifinals and then Indiana beat Ohio State twice. What are they going to do? Ohio might burn down. So I'm worried about the 10 and a half. Now it creeping back up to 11 might suggest that, Oh, okay. Some shark put a ton of money on Indiana 13 and a half so that they could kind of change that line. Then they put even more money on Ohio State at 10 but I mean that's neither here nor there I think this is going to be a very close game and with that rain in that center being out I genuinely feel like the Buckeyes are shaking in their boots a little

bit right now. They might be shaking in their boots because it's so damn cold. Let's talk about being cold in Ohio in football weather in Ohio last night AJ Hawk we saw an instant classic on Thursday night football AFC North football through and through there's music now starting to play somewhere It is a wonderful thing but on Thursday night football in a Snowstorm in a what are those things called snow globe? snowstorm in a what are those things called snow globe? It looked like it's snow globe. It did actually. The Cleveland Browns led by Jameis Winston who kicked off our show with one of his most inspirational speeches yet it's not about the lights it's not about the camera it's not about

the action but what actually it is about the action so I think maybe he had a little slip up there but the boys had a great time in the snow and And I'll tell you what, Myles Garrett just lit it up. Myles Garrett decided he was going to take over the game. And obviously there had been a lot of hype about Myles Garrett, TJ Watt, who won Defensive Player of the Year last year. How happy was the other person that the other person won Defensive Player of the Year last year? And I had a chance to watch this guy take over a game last year in the Loud House.

Once it starts, it seemingly doesn't stop. Once he senses a little blood in the water, that Necton mentality and shark of Miles Garrett is gonna hunt out there. And that was fun to watch if you're a fan of old school football. If you're a Pittsburgh Steelers fan though, I think you have to worry.

Russ has a big night, okay? I think he only had like six incompletions. He started the game perfect, eight to eight or seven to seven. I think you had some splash plays from a lot of your offensive players But in the end you lose to a three and eight Cleveland Brown team and a snowstorm Which you might have to do later in the year Especially if Buffalo is gonna have a home playoff game or Kansas City is gonna have to have a home playoff game We all thought the Steelers recovered three and a half. Yeah, we both did we thought it was a different year

Seems like it's maybe is this the same old Steelers? Is that what the thought is after like I see if you saw it with Russell stats 21 to 28 for 270 yards in Touchdown if we told you that before the game you're thinking no Steelers absolutely rolled And this is an offensive we know a Q Shipley does not like very much either the offensive line Yeah, he doesn't love the offensive line, but this Steelers team I don't know like you always want to be explosive you want to get plays up at top which they do though like the Steelers team, I don't know, you always want to be explosive. You want to get players up at the top, which they do though. The Steelers have done that, but for whatever reason, the Browns in this crazy white, was this one of those Destiny things?

Like, the Browns gotta win because now I guess their owners are potentially pissed that everyone loves the outdoor snow because they want to build a dome somewhere else. I'm thinking we definitely can't do that now because this was like a majestic night when they have the AI sidelines that act like they are they have plowed the hashes and the yard lines It makes it kind of weird because guys legs disappear at times So AJ's first thing he said to me when I asked him if he saw the entire game last night He said I did and I don't know if I like the fake yard lines because guys are losing their legs now You just saw the guy's legs disappear,

but it was nice to be able to see the yardages. And one of these games is in, Steve Sable you think of whenever you see like the Lambo, the frozen Tundra, the old school football is immediately what you think of with these games. I, as a former punter, am a massive proponent of doming everywhere, okay? Dome it all.

Let's have 70 degrees, no wind, perfect conditions, best team wins. That is how I've always talked about. I've always believed that way. And if they were to do that, I would not mind. But if you're a Cleveland Browns fan and I know the conversation has been very, very loud about getting a dome as opposed to having this, you view that as an advantage, even against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Shirtless Clevelanders all over the stadium, drunk as hell, having the time of their life, you view that as an advantage.

So congrats to the Browns on getting a big win. And if you're a Pittsburgh Steelers fan, do you just bury the ball and say, hey, it was a wild, crazy, snowy Thursday night? Hey, Pete Tone, how are you guys viewing this entire thing? It was, I mean I we talked about it yesterday We almost knew this was gonna happen as a Steelers fan based on their Thursday night football record their divisional record their record after Playing the Ravens especially on a short week and then they came out and it was just a myriad of mistakes from start to finish it was just if in good news and

We are gonna bury the ball and bury the tape because it was literally the worst game They could have possibly played they couldn't convert on third and fourth down. They Too I mean it started on the first drive Just like the sack to put it a 58 yard field goal for Boz which up He missed obviously and then drive to fields comes out and they have absolutely No idea what they're doing. You have offensive lineman running off field, you have offensive lineman running on the field. They snap the ball with one second left on the clock so the defense has obviously knows what is going to happen. They get blown up. The next drive, fourth, they get the

sack strip from Myles Garrett in the second half. they get blown up on fourth down again. It was just mistake after mistake after mistake. And then you get the touchdown. Jens gone out tough. Jens gone out tough. By the Cleveland Brabs. I mean, that's how it is. We watched two different games on that.

We did not get out tough. I could tell you that. On fourth down? On fourth down? It wouldn't matter to it, right? What? Fourth down, you guys were getting, you guys were getting your shit blown.

Well, on the one fourth down down the hole was wide open and Justin just didn't went the other way on the other fourth down. Yes, it did get blown up in the backfield I agree there, but I was just you can't play you couldn't they couldn't play they could not have played worse and then They could not have played with it. On paper it looked alright. I saw some highlight. Russ was completing balls in the middle of the snow. I'm like this guy is throwing lasers. I actually thought there was a chance.

Defense is going to get a turnover late. Maybe a picks, maybe a scoops and scores. We're going to cover this thing. I thought we were going to cover. I'm like watching. Steelers are going to make this whole thing happen. I thought they played good. Inevitably, you still lose. They get this.

They get this. They go three and out. And then Corliss Waitman, who's been unbelievable all year, has a 15-yard punt. So just all areas just terrible. That's not in the foot. I know they said that during it. That just can just go off the side of your foot.

Yeah, so it happened earlier in the game, too. So we don't have a football here. So whenever you're punting, both of the guys last night lefties. so whenever you're punting both the guys last night lefty So whenever you're punting the ball, okay, obviously you catch the snap you're holding it There is a moment of freefall see that before once it leaves your hand before it hits your foot windy game During that freefall that ball just blows just a little bit just gets a little bit off to go center Boom can't catch up to it hits off the inside of your foot That things going that way.

That's possible every single punt, which is why whenever you see punters bomb balls, they're thinking, because there's a moment of free fall with the ball. So do you drop it a little lower when it's windy? Hold onto it longer is normally the goal. Bring it to your foot? Yeah, hold onto it longer, yeah.

So actually, if we want to get really deep into the punting game, I tried to hold onto the ball as long as I possibly could Yeah, so actually, we want to get really deep into the punting game. I tried to hold onto the ball as long as I possibly could towards the end of my career. Okay, now whenever you hold that, you got to drop a little bit lower because you hold onto it a little longer. You got to go ball to foot almost as opposed to foot the ball. So you're going to give up like a 5-0 punt.

You're going to give up like the big because you're not going to be able to. So I'm trying to kick that thing out of my hand. Got to lower it a little. So that means more consistent. Yeah, much more consistent. So your miss isn't a. You want to take that miss out of the game. Yeah.

You eliminate the miss completely is what I decided to do and a lot of OGs do, but you lose like the big one. And also this was hunting in this weather. Both guys had a situation. It was miserable. I had a terrible game in Cleveland as well, even whenever I was holding on to the ball, because that moment of free even if you try to go football, there's still a moment where that ball is just falling through the sky. And if you just get a little and it's it's all off and it's not fun. I assume

every specialist is excited to be out of that game last night. But it's one of those ones that's historic. Now, what does this mean for the rest of the season? You know, for the Pittsburgh Steelers, what does this mean for the rest of the season for the Cleveland Browns? The Miz sent me a text this morning. The Miz sent me a text this morning. I believe we have his quote, hopefully on a graphic card. Really good work on that, D-Bone.

Easy to read there. Before game, your thought is, if if we lose out we could get Shador after the game we are not mathematically out of the playoffs that was the text I got from the Miz this morning and I assume that's how all Browns fans are feeling especially after beating the Steelers you you beat the Steelers that's a huge win at home in prime time in front of the whole world so I don't know all that needs to happen for the Browns to actually make the playoffs, but it does kind of feel like a monumental win. Like where were you when the Browns beat the Steelers in that crazy snow game on Thursday

night? Yeah, going to get reference. I think prime will probably showcase that game and all their commercials going forward because it just doesn't happen often. That was a full, I mean, it looked like your TV stunk at one point you couldn't see shit that's that's in the modern era that we're in with how good technology is like I don't know if you can see from these cameras it's coming down really good right now oh yeah it is coming down really we're having to cover this stuff we might have it a full electrical

failure over here with how hard is raining but with cameras you can't really see it up much anymore yeah snow was just so thick you had to see it they had to deal with it. Couldn't see the field goal going through. This is a historic game in the football's history. Even like, you remember Shady McCoy, remember? Oh yeah, oh yeah. When he went back.

Yeah, you do remember those. You remember these games. These are the type of games that you remember. And if you're the Cleveland Browns, you're happy that you're on the right side of it, even though the Steelers certainly could have won it. Yeah, did you ever play like in any of these games? This made me think of 2007, I believe, playoff game against the Seattle Seahawks. We had,

it might have been a different year when I was in Green Bay and we had a crazy game where like the last three quarters, it looked like this in the whole place. It was one of those times where it snows and it actually feels warm. You know, there's no wind, it's snowing. And you looked around like, this is like a magical experience. And that's what I felt watching this game last night. And the fact that the Browns had so many fans there too, that stuck it out. It was pretty impressive.

A lot of people dressed like seats early in that game. It seemed like up in the top row, two and 18, Thursday night football, but they didn't fill it up. And the weather got close and they stayed. And I think it's because of how good the game was and shout to Jamis Winston, his first ever game in that cold of temperature and all the speeches he gave last night. Obviously we just showcased his lights, camera, action speech, but the horses are ready for war, Connor, but, but the Lord will, will lead, but we are the Lord or the Lord will take

us. I don't know. Everything he says is electric. Like that game just talking about that was my favorite game of the year. Something about football in the snow for one and then also being in indiana having a nice little flurry on the ground as well you look outside there's snow you look on the tv there's snow and you can barely see it and just the physicality of it you know some of those games we talk about you want points you want all that stuff but having miles garrett having tj watt having cam hayward kind of going to war in the middle of the field is so fun And to your point about the snow games for New England Patriots fans Obviously six Super Bowls over the Belichick pretty era the Vinatieri game winner against Oakland in the playoffs

I would argue is ranked even above like the last Ram Super Bowl Where was 13 to 3 kind of like a punt war between Ryan Allen and Hecker that snow game kind of feel to it It's just different and for Jamis Winston like him even post game after just talking about the entire thing at his press conference The way his brain works is so awesome because he was on the nightcap and they actually like went through all of his Pre-game speeches and he was laughing watching them himself like even he realizes like what what the hell was I talking about right there? Like the lights camera action shit. It is so funny. Jamis needs to be, you know playing football forever Of course But can you imagine what that guy will bring to like a booth if he if he were decide to call again?

I mean the the electricity is endless when it comes to James Winston. And yeah, of course, doing snow angels with all the guys is so fun and zany. And then Tony Gonzalez, unfortunately, though, he did not jump in with the entire crew. But there's just something about snow football. It's different. It's better. Tony's wearing, you know, full metal or full winter jacket, like in September. Yeah, October. He's not doing snow angels. He is not in there.

I like the fact that he did do a snow angel face down. I, yeah, this guy's never been around it. He's never, never done it before. And then I think he looked over at Whit. Hey, Whit was like, oh flip over, flip over there. It's, Jamis is fun, man. He is, he's super positive. Obviously he hasn't been like a

perfect football player in the NFL since making it but the way he views life, the way he talks about things and what he was saying anytime a microphone was in front of his face last night in primetime, football needed that. Just how he was looking. The pregame when he was just taking the whole everything in like it felt very like authentic it felt like original this you couldn't I don't think you could act like this if you weren't if this is who you were. You have said you don't become a Brown until you beat the Steelers what will it take tonight?

The horse is prepared for battle but victory comes from the Lord. So I'm depending on the Lord. Is that the message to the team? Day by day, one play at a time. That's the message. Weather conditions tonight. We're expecting winds up to 15 miles per hour and a wintry mix. How will that impact your ability to throw the ball? I'm so happy and grateful that the Lord has blessed me to play in some snow, to be in true football weather in Cleveland, Ohio at Huntington Bank Field today to give him the glory.

It's a beautiful day. It sure feels like you're playing in the AFC North. It is. Thank you. That's right, Kaylee. Great interview by Kaylee. What a response there by James. Just, hey, what's your mindset on everything?

You know, like, I think Tom Brady has talked multiple times about when they're in a situation What his mindset is how he has to view something like when they were down 28 3 I think the way he viewed it was an opportunity to do something. Oh special when most people would say we're out It's all in your mindset and you're framing for Jamis. He had heard everybody talking about hey It's the first time you're gonna play in cold. You could tell that he had rehearsed that thought whenever she started asking that question. He's a time you're gonna play in cold you could tell that he had rehearsed that thought whenever she started asking that question he's like good question everybody wants to know I am so lucky that I get to experience this and I'm gonna have this on my resume forever what a beautiful what a beautiful football game football weather would that be instead feels

in a dome I think it'd be a good game to thank you I think would have been a good game too we wouldn't have had the electricity of the snow and Miles Garrett's interview afterwards whenever it was snow around them, you know, they're all celebrating and he said I got a lot of respect for the guy on the other side TJ. I got a lot of respect for all the edge rushers Yeah, here it is. Here's what Miles Garrett had to say afterwards about the game He just put on. Snow makes it better. To speak tonight and if so, what was said? I mean, he spoke at the coin toss, but that's about it. Like I said, I got a lot of respect for him, a lot of respect for all the guys over there.

And the edge rush in the league, but I'm number one. And that's from edge defender one to defensive player of the year. I'm the guy. So that runs through me. There's no other person being defended as I am or skeined or planned against like I am. So this goes to show, no, you can throw it out the window. I'm gonna find a way.

That's Neo, brother. I am the one. How'd you feel about that, AJ? I mean, I guess he's got an argument there. You can't really argue with him when you talk about like elite edge rushers. But yeah, we know like Miles Garrett's awesome. TJ Watt is awesome. They both can be amazing.

Yeah, but Miles Garrett. But there's this whole thing now though between them two. As I should, which I appreciate and I respect, you know, a lot of people hang out, have a good time. And I think the Watt family came out and said, we got a lot of respect for Miles Garrett over here. We just, Jay said, Jade said that on Wednesday about the whole thing. But I like the fact that they're not like buddy buddy. You know, I like that they are competing. And I like the fact that he appreciates that, hey, I'm the

top guy and teach thinks the exact same thing. I like that. I think it's awesome. Any kind of like rivalry in the NFL is great. But this is also something that would be cool. They can duke it out for however many more years in the NFL. And then 15 years from now they're gonna be Camps teaching hey you want a rec shop like we did here we go and just making all the money in the world while running the Camp we are being joined by Brutus Oh, thank you so much I got a nifty gift Funk what is these things called? They're called go fuck up off the sign pop college. This is a sign. Thank you Actually, I'm gonna open this what an age gauge age obviously Ohio State legend look at this. I'm gonna open I think

Him in Dahmer's old sheets Easy Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa. I wasn't here for it. He's with a styrofoam AJ. That doesn't sound great. As AJ is opening up this box in an incredibly fashion, Brutus wrote me a card here because Brutus can't. Thank you for having me on the show while you just showed up. I am a big fan and watch every day. Love the energy you bring. not okay we're crazy oh I like that that was very clever thank you very much for the fun and the photo and it's very very kind of you Brutus! Brutus!

Sneaky devil! This guy's nuts! Crazy! Haha, man! This guy! This guy! Look out for the Hoosier! Look out for the Hoosier Brutus!

Hey! Ah! Oh, so you have to get your head out of the way. Everybody else does it right over top. You can't do it with those arms. You got those little arms. You can't do it with those arms got those little arms can't do it you can't just can't get there squeeze this head oh yeah that's okay going thank you brutus thank you brudus yeah that's smart yes yes keep him on your side yes who's that who's that bruce don't want to hear that thank you Brutus. No, Bruce just did this you can see it off it. He did this Wow

Thank you, thank you. It's an honor. Thank you for the snow get the funk trunk thing Pat. Did you see AJ open that style? I mean, there's fire I was trying to rip it open quickly. We're on a program here. You know, we're doing a show I was trying to pick up all the rest of this is not left yet. Oh Brutus. Yes. No problem Brutus. Yes Yeah, what's Pat to sign one of his wrestling? Do you want it's pretty sweet? That is very cool that he has one of us Yeah, yeah, you saw I'll do that for you Brutus. Oh You look at that show it show it what we have multiple camera angles. Oh, yeah Yeah, three cameras three cameras. You know, you know it's caught them back there This is Zito production today fact

We found this place to be able to do the show here is a modern miracle isn't it Brutus is for you It's gonna get ruined if it continues get rained on His name was Mark Mark Brutus, thank you. All right. See you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Bruce didn't have his ears in, but. Mark Brutus. Thank you. All right. See you.

Thank you guys. O-H. IO. There it is. That's a breathing guy. That's what he did. He does two fists out and does this number here. He's nuts.

I didn't know that was the fit. Yeah, that was sweet. You guys nuts. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. It's the Buckeye. Yeah, Buckeye nuts. You want to know what else is nuts? What? He's nuts. I didn't know that was the fit. Yeah, that was sweet. This guy's nuts. Yeah, I get it.

Yeah, I get it. Because the Buckeye. Yeah, Buckeye nuts. You want to know what else is nuts? What? This guy gets $40 million a year to play quarterback. Uh-huh. Okay?

Because he played good for five, seven games. Okay? Yeah. They kicked a good guy off the team for it. Yeah, that's true. Okay? Then team revolves around him, doesn't have success. Is it his fault?

Is it anybody else's fault? Who knows? Yeah, then he gets benched He's playing scout team safety I say in like a one-day period then he gives one of the greatest speeches i've ever seen two fans from a player Legitimately, you can tell he took real time on that. Yeah, the words were phenomenal. I think took a lot of accountability Took a lot of ownership. Here's daniel jones Who has now been released from the New York football Giants addressing the New York Giants fans just yesterday All right, root something down just to make sure I say the right way

Let's see the opportunity to play for the New York Giants was truly a dream come true And I'm extremely grateful to the Marin Tish families for the chance to play here The Giants are truly a first-class organization and I have nothing but genuine respect and appreciation for the people who have built it and who helped carry on that tradition. I've met so many special people and created relationships that will truly last a lifetime. Thank you to all my teammates, coaches, and staff that have done so much for me these past six years. There have been some great times but of course we all wish there had been more of those. I take full

responsibility for my part and not bringing more wins. No one wanted to win those win more games worse than me and I gave everything I had on the field and in my preparation. Of course this season has been disappointing for all and of course I wish I could have done more. I'm 100% accountable for my part. I did not play well enough consistently enough to help the team get the results. The reality of the NFL is it's hard to win games

and requires consistent performance from everyone involved. I didn't do that well enough so the idea to change something happens and I understand. I love the game, I love being part of a team, I'm excited for the next opportunity and know that there's a lot of good football in front of me and I'm excited about that. To all the fans I have deep respect and appreciation for your passion and love for the Giants. The fans are a huge part of what makes playing for the Giants. The fans are a huge part of what makes playing for the Giants so special. Hell yeah. That's awesome. I think that was a phenomenal message. He buried himself in the middle of that thing so you can tell that he's looked in the mirror and had some hard

convos which I think we all hope for from our professional athletes, our leaders. Daniel Jones, it's not him to blame that he was getting paid $40 million a year. It's obviously not him to blame that the entire organization isn't performing well. But I like the fact that he did take the blame. That's true leadership. I also like the fact that he said his football career will continue somewhere else. We've seen a lot of second births, third births from the quarterback position. Will he be one of those guys?

TBD, obviously. But I have massive respect for the way he handled it. And now he is officially released from the Giants because he asked for his release after playing scout team safety for a day yesterday. Yeah, I would assume when he put those thoughts down on paper, he knew that he was going to ask for his release. But it's crazy how quick things can happen, especially in football. We know it's not guaranteed contracts and everything, but

he got plenty of guaranteed money. But the fact that you go from starting, you're playing scout team, you're the fourth team quarterback, and then you're asking for your release and you're gone. So now he can clear waivers and another team can sign him, right? Yes. Yes, he can clear waivers. I assume he will clear waivers because if he doesn't clear waivers, don't you pick up the contract?

Yeah, he'll clear waivers. I would imagine. So I think he's going to clear waivers. They don't have any opportunity to kind of choose where he wants to go. I assume there's going to be teams that would love to have Daniel Jones. I mean, Carson Wentz is the current backup for the Kansas City Chiefs. So you want to talk about a tale that is pretty eerily similar

in this particular facet, or you talk about it, it's like the Chiefs have Carson Wentz. I assume there's going to be a team that's going to want Daniel Jones. What are the teams that are floating around out there, Tone? What are the teams that are floating around for maybe Daniel Jones to be backup quarterback? Well, I mean if you think off the top of your head like teams that right now not even like a backup like is Daniel Jones better than Cooper Rush right now. Could he play for the Cowboys for the rest season?

Could he play for the Raiders for the rest of the season? But we were actually talking this morning and I'll let I'll let Ty take this one because he's got a nightmare scenario Yeah, I don't know if it's actually gonna happen in terms of the waiver process I don't know how long it's gonna take for it to clear But when I heard this all I could think is it's gonna happen I'm gonna see Dan Jones don in a Niners jersey on Sunday at Lambeau and With Shanahan with the way he you know, we know the kind of athlete he is. I think there's a chance He's he's wearing Niner Red on Sunday

and he slays the Packers. I really believe that. Okay, so let's talk about that because as, you know, Tone, you were rolling through it about being a starter. I thought back to Brock Purdy is in the middle. So I've got hurt last week and then they, I believe it came out that the MRI had a lot better result than they thought he's gonna come to practice

and then they'll see how it goes but both Alan and the Pastronaut already incapable to go. It feels like this Brock Purdy thing was very real and then this most recent one, release of news, how do we feel? I don't feel great. You're five and five. The Niners are five and five and Brock pretty didn't practice on Thursday I believe you know this practice yeah they said he will be back today though we'll see how it goes which is that games what is it do we know what it is a shoulder shoulder and see this is that would scare me to death yeah absolutely yeah definitely if I'm the Niners especially in that NFC West six and four five and five five and five five and five that's what the NFC West is. They are very, very, very much parody driven in the NFC West right now. The Niners we thought were going to be the team that was going to go on and do it all just like, cause that

is what the Niners are. But now last year we had to deal with what, Debo and Trent Williams getting hurt in the middle of the year. Now here we are, they're not in as good of a spot and Brock Purdy has a shoulder? That's not great news for the Niners if you're a Niners fan, which I have become because I love the way they play football. They're dogs out there, at least they used to be. Now they don't have as much moxie and energy. Now towards the end of the year, do they turn it up? We shall see. Do they play better football? But it's like, I don't know what the hell is going on over there with Brock Purdy. Connor. What is the conversation around Brock Purdy?

This is problematic in my eyes, but is a gamesmanship. What do we think this is? Yeah, I'm not sure cuz they also had like the quarterback Thursday press conference get moved to today So it does seem very real not only Brock I believe Trent Williams and Bosa also missed the Thursday practice too So when you're talking about the most important players on that team those are legitimately the top three. I for one am worried just because you know the Dan Jones thing But more so like if Brandon Allen does come in you got no tape on him Shanahan might tell him like hey, I'll tell you in your ear right now when and where to throw the damn football

Just listen to me. I'll take you home but going to Lambeau this is terrible terrible news for the 49ers and I'm shitting bricks if I'm a Niners fan you already had you didn't have Kato last week he is back this week he said you get a chance to play the Packers you are playing but you know you mentioned injuries this year too Brett and Iuke you know that loss was major after paying him and he finally got going and then you know he gets you know hurt for the year and then of course the Debo Samuel table Peppa kind of sideline You know interaction that caused a little you know tussle on the sideline just the vibes from the Niners were so used to the But just table but just think about the vibes that the Niners

had you know you mentioned the way they play but just like the moxie that they have every time they take the field it doesn't feel like they have that you know same flair if you will that they've had in recent years and if you get if Trent Williams and Bosa are out you know of course having Purdy is huge and at least you can rely on Shanahan. No, no Trent Williams. No, Nick Bosa is a massive problem. What's going on AJ? Okay. Are you okay? I just cough and bitten a Mike, but Mike button coughing over here. You're going to have a death here. I thought it was about to be a death. Is he emotional being back on the hollow ground? Yeah. I walked out earlier. It was looking around just taking it all in

man. Yeah. Special place. special place here at all the boosters Yeah, all the names are great players here obviously How many boosters Why there's one big one is a bunch here one big one bunch of great generous people. Yeah It's hard to narrow down the one I think it's is the biggest one. Yeah, Woody Hayes, great coach. Yeah, Woody Hayes.

Thank you, Woody. Thank you, Woody. Shout out. That's a good coach. He created a lot of drama. Woody was a great coach. Trestle as well, Urban Meyer. I mean, there's a lineage of great coaches here, and that's why the pressure on Ryan

Day is so damn high. He'll be joining us anywhere between seven to 15 minutes from now. Hell yeah. I think. I think. Now, we might have another Brian Kelly situation. Oh, yeah. 12, 14. Yeah. And it's like, bud.

Yeah, sure. What do you need me back at like 12, 13 minutes? Well for BK since then. I know. I know. I feel like it's potentially our that's a huge deal up there in Michigan. Huge shout out to college football recruiting news yesterday being awesome we're so lucky that juju lewis decided to do that on our

program and obviously they're getting a good one out there in colorado and i think you heard a lot of colorado fans say oh so is coach prime going to coach the cowboys now is that what everybody oh shut up is basically what the Colorado Buffalo fans are saying and then I Saw the reaction from the haters of which there are many and seemingly always will be They were saying this kid's gonna have to change his commitment whenever prime gets a head coach a job at Cowboys So I don't know if Julian Lewis who is the number two overall ESPN ranks recruit coming out of the 2025 class. He was the number, I learned a little bit more.

I talked to Pete Thameau after our conversation yesterday. I apologize for not staying up on all the recruiting news. That's on me. But I guess he was the 2026 number one overall recruit. They reclassified to 2025. So then they just put up a two base. They're like, all right right because we already got number one and Underwood is his name and I guess he is he is worthy of where's he going Michigan four years

10 and a half million allegedly four years this and a half million allegedly is the deal that he signed now the goal is never uh to be there for four years obviously three years to be able to make to the NFL is the goal I think for most guys now granted with the NIL especially this particular deal being way more than what any deal that I've ever heard of for a player being allegedly reported by on three. I think I think Portnoy is a part of that too. I think he I think he was a I'm sick of seeing our team not have a quarterback guy which this is the new world we're in and you can do that. So shout out to Michigan stepping up in a massive way and getting this dude, but he is afraid. I guess he's very good. Yesterday I was saying, if Julia Lewis is

number two guy, I don't know who the hell the number one guy is. Then just hours later, Adam Schefter breaks the news. He's going to Michigan and his highlights start flooding my algorithm. I'm like, Oh, okay. So there is a great future for football at the quarterback position, seemingly right now. And obviously in the world, the wind, they can prosper, which is good for them. Well, they're so good. So young and didn't yesterday, Julian even said like when he was 10 years old, he's sitting there reading cover three, cover two,

and you actually can kind of read defenses and do that. You're that good. And you're 13, 14, 15 years old. That it blows my mind. Like when that good and you're 13, 14, 15 years old. It blows my mind. Like when there's obviously there's physically gifted dudes, but when they can process the game and do all of that, that's why I think we're seeing all these receivers come in as rookies.

They can kind of know where to sit down, when to, you know, if they're man to man zone, whatever I'm doing. They're just years ahead, I think, of what you used to be when it was almost like pickup football in high school. Let alone like the virtual reality thing we talked about yesterday Yeah

These can get virtual reality reps on coverages at their house and you know We talked to TC Lewis who is Juju Lewis his dad I got a chance to talk to him yesterday because I wanted to thank him for the opportunity for us to do this because we Know it's a massive moment in their family's history, you know, and obviously the dad of The quarterback is gonna be closely tied in there, you know, like he's gonna be a part of the quarterback is going to be closely tied in there. You know, like he's going to be a part of the whole process. It's like they would like to see their kids have success too. So whenever they see things that are available, I think Juju Lewis had the highest elite 11

score in history. Yep. That's it. All of them have come through there. Everybody has come through the elite. He had like the highest elite 11 score in the history of elite 11 or whatever. So like in all those camps, they have all these things now that are available for people at a younger age Okay, I assume that virtual reality shits there. Okay, do you guys want this system? Hey, we'll be able to do this

You'll be able to get these reps and then the business side of it. Yeah door dash over shoulder We saw us they're all so much more mature. Yeah, then I would have been I got $40,000 out in loans at like 35% interest rate and I thought I was a king a $35,000 deal for these dudes is nothing four years ten and a half million allegedly for that underwater guy It's like could you imagine get that money you would have to grow up quick you can't all of a sudden You're the breadwinner. Oh, you're the whole family and then if you do the guys that can Come through that and get paid when they're young and get you know, because hey, they're like look at all the expectations You have on these kids. I always get worried when they're young and get you know because hey look at all the expectations you have on these kids I always get worried when I not worry but

I'm like okay like I hope they can handle it if you could handle all that NIL money early all those expectations and then you can get drafted in the NFL and you can actually perform like more power to you because that is a tough obviously it's awesome it's great you're so much responsibility at a young age where you realize hey a lot of people are counting on me like everyone How I play in the field affects a lot of different people. What's up, Tom? The fun fact about it, obviously Juju Lewis five-star 99 overall grade He goes Colorado Underwood going to Michigan and then there was three five-star 99 overall quarterbacks in that class

The other ones go to Ohio State so they'll be going against each other every year. So that's that's gonna be awesome Okay, I like that that's happening And I also appreciate the fact that like, uh, coach prime gave a speech. I don't know if it was recirculated yesterday because juju Lewis signing or if it happened yesterday after signing day, cause he doesn't recruit a lot of high school guys. You know, he's big transfer portal guy. He said, but if we go recruit high school guy, we're expecting them to play. We're not here just to hang out. He's like, we want you to play. And I think that's a big deal for like Julian Lewis wanted to play.

He said that, right? He said, I want to play so I can opportunity to play right away and I can compete. And that's why it's perfect time, you know, with the door leaving, passing the keys. Michigan same exact situation here for Underwood. It's like, hey, they don't have a quarterback, haven't had a quarterback. They played four quarterbacks, one of the quarterbacks they played twice and one quarterback retired this year. So it's like they're going to spots and it's like you're representing this universe. Like Juju's like, all right, I'm going to go represent Colorado. And then Underwood's like, all right, I'm going to go represent Michigan. And then this kid's coming

into Ohio State like, all right. And it's like you take these high school rivalries amongst each other, and now it's going to the biggest stage. And if they can perform, college football is much better, much quicker because of it. We're incredibly lucky to be joined. Ladies, can we get, can he get ears? Do we have ears? We got ears?

He's got ears in? Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now. You wanna talk about pressure on a guy. Jesus Christ, man. Couldn't even fathom the day to day. The fact that he's willing to come stand out here in the rain in his stadium. Ladies and gentlemen, head coach of the Buckeyes, Ryan Decker. Yeah, coach. Great, great.

God, you look so good. We're gonna try not to ruin it with this rain. Thank you for joining us. Look good in the hoodie, man. Thank you. So our honor defend, I just learned about this. It's like Merck that goes towards I think you're right in a camera. I mean, I couldn't, I couldn't.

Sorry, you look good. The back of your head was phenomenal. It was phenomenal back of your head. We'll just call him D going forward. So our honor defend, I guess this is merch that the funds go towards military scholarships here at Ohio State. It's a beautiful thing. I love what you guys do here.

Speaking of that massive game tomorrow, the Indiana Hoosiers. Now he and a lot of Ohio State people, I don't think fully comprehend the Indiana Hoosiers being at the stage that they're at right now. How do you feel about the team that's coming in here and how do you think Kurt Cignetti has done his first year in Big Ten? Well it's you know they're 10 and 0 and you know they're top five you know match up here so I think they do a good job in all three phases. I think they've done a great job kind of changing their roster.

They're playing with a lot of confidence so you know we've had a great week of preparation. Our guys are fired up and you know I think this place is going to be rocking at noon tomorrow. Okay, so let's talk about that noon game. Obviously, the players can't care because everybody's playing there. You can't care because both teams are playing at that time. Do you hear the noise though of the Ohio State people that want to put on a showcase in prime time with this particular stadium at the horseshoe? There's a lot of noise in this world.

Yeah, I can imagine. Just the way it goes. We don't worry about that stuff. You know, we just worry about playing football, preparing. It doesn't matter where we play. Last week we played at Wrigley at 11 a.m. local time. That was good, we made that work. We're gonna make whatever time works.

It doesn't matter. So at some point they gotta put the football down and we'll be ready to play. Well, that's because you guys draw eyeballs and that's all credit to what you have built here. Go ahead, AJ. I know obviously with some injuries you guys have shuffled around the offensive line in season. I know you've already

answered it multiple times but how is that like how do you feel going in obviously you have to feel good but how much work can you get in when you have to shift positions especially offensive linemen to kind of keep that cohesive? Well when it happened before the Penn State game we had to move Donovan the left tackle and that was that was a change in position. So now we're going to move Carson to center, moving Austin to guard. But like these guys have played. Carson's played 12 games at center. Austin's played, you know, he was there when Donovan was down early in the week.

So early in the year. So I mean, these guys have done it before a different challenge for sure. And we'll have to see how it's going on early on. But they've had a good week of practice, a lot of energy. You know, Will's been unbelievable. You know, and Seth went down and practiced this week and will just like, hey, man, just get on my shoulders. We got this thing had an unbelievable Tuesday Wednesday Thursday was great. We need a great we could preparation here finishing up today Okay, so you talked about Indiana and transfer portal getting a lot of guys in there

You just mentioned a lot of guys that have come in from the transfer portal You know Seth goes down you got will Caleb downs on defense aside How has it been like gelling your culture with guys that are transferring in who are big time pillars of this particular team? Yeah, here AJ knows like this has been going on a long time here at Ohio State. The stadium has been here over a hundred years. I actually read an article that was written 75 years ago just this week about what it was like back then. It hasn't changed all that much.

College football has changed a lot, but it's also not changed here in Ohio and Columbus. And so, you know, there's a culture that's here already and you know, you're going to add some pieces in, but you have to continue to develop what you have. And I think the biggest thing for us, like a lot of people talked about our roster and what we did in the off season, everything like that, but it was really just keeping guys here. But one thing we've learned about, you know, the marketability of our players and Ohio State football players is that, you know, they're marketable. I mean, they have, they have high value. And so we had to retain the guys to stay to come back. That was a huge part of it. And then we added a few pieces in and they've been big pieces for us. But the culture is here, it's strong. And that starts recruiting and making sure guys want to be at

Ohio State for the right reason. I want to let you know, like a big conversation early and I was a part of it. So you can certainly say, hey, dipshit, you're a part of it. Everybody was talking about the amount of money that'll spend on your roster I did say that yeah you should have it's a lot a lot of people are saying especially in Indianapolis we'll get that later but the in this particular then as I go through the season I start traveling around college there's some schools that are like yeah yeah Ohio State yeah let's talk about let's talk about what they're doing and let's not talk about what we're doing, which is even more, it's like,

we're in a real world right now where your boosters and your support matter. And it feels like here, all they care about is ball, which leads to expectations and pressure on you. You knew that whenever you're signing up for the job, and at this point, you understand it, you just feel it, and it's just a part of life now, that is just kind of how it goes.

Because your record is absurd. Your record is absurd and we've talked about it. If you happen to lose a game, the entire state of Ohio is ready to burn down. You knew that was happening though? Like the way it goes. Yeah. And you expect that that's just like good thing, not a bad thing. I mean every year when you come to Ohio State, you want to win it all.

You know, you have certain goals that you set and like the guys who want to be here, you have to understand like you're here to win every single game. And that's the way it goes. And that's the way you want it in life. You don't want it any other way. Yeah, you're right. You know, I mean, and like, again, I had this article that I read and it was just talking about how like, you know, some people wrestle alligator. Some people chew on razor blades.

Some people want to go to Ohio State and play football because that's just what they want to do. They want to be in the Tigers Den. And that's what that's what tomorrow is going to be like. And I think this crowd is going to come in tomorrow and have that edge about him you know it's the top five matchup it's our third top five matchup this year and we got this one at home and I know this crowd is going to be fired up. No I heard the Big Ten schedules weren't that good that's what I heard. AP Tone

back in Indianapolis question for you. Yeah coach obviously you know we everyone talks about your weapons one of the best wide receiver rooms in the country one of the best running back rooms in the country Will Howard's the best running back rooms in the country, Will Howard's unbelievable. So when you're, when you're, I don't know how much you script out the beginning of the game or whatever, do you just say like, Hey, we're going to have Quinch on go off this week or we're going to have Jeremiah Smith, which has basically been every week. How do you, they always, they always say there's only one ball. So how do you deal with that on the offensive side?

Well, I think the first thing is that you have to have a team and a group of guys that are unselfish, that they're not worried about their touches. And we said that early on, like we've had guys who have been first round draft picks, we have guys who are higher than the trophy finalists. We've had guys who, you know, we've had offenses that have been number one, number two

in the country in total offense and points and all that. But like the number one goal of this team is to win. Like nothing else. Doesn't matter what your stats are, you gotta win. And that was like on the front end, we said that as a group, like if that's not your goal, you probably need to go somewhere else because this group is coming together to win

for a common purpose. And so that's the first part of it. But when it comes down to game planning, what you wanna do is you wanna put the defense at the most amount of stress as possible. And more weapons you have the more you can do that and that starts obviously with the running game and goes from there and it's just a matter of numbers at some point you know they have to put an extra guy down in the box or they got a double one of your receivers and there's one-on-one situation and vice versa so that's the back and

forth and the game planning goes on. What's going on with these young kids being so good? You mentioned Jeremiah. What a, what a stunt. Just an absolute stunt at the freshman year. And then we were talking about these five star quarterbacks that just kind of yesterday made their decisions. And then obviously you guys are getting one as well. Younger kids, more mature, better football. Like is there a feeling that that is the case? I mean, you look at other sports and you just see, you know, the size of these guys get

bigger and faster and stronger. And you think a guy like Jeremiah I mean first off he is very strong he is very fast he can catch the ball he's a good route runner but you see his size. Huge! Huge! And you know I just think when you look at the game of basketball you see guys just getting bigger and more athletic and longer and just I don't know but every year it just seems like you know when you bring up an eighth grader or a ninth grader recruiting, you look up like you're 15 years old. I can't believe I'm recruiting this kid. He's like six, seven and 300 pounds. I'm like, what do they feed you?

But, but yeah, they're just getting bigger and stronger and faster. I do think, you know, the seven on seven and those types of things has really helped to skill positions, throwing and catching. Offensive line. There's been a call for like basically saying offensive line play has been diminished because of the way football is being played. Obviously you guys have to win it in the trenches if you want to win actual football games. Do you feel that or sense that with college guys?

Not just your guys, but just around football? Well I think there's a great opportunity out there for young, big, athletic linemen to play offense. And I think, you know, there's so many guys who want to play defense, and they want to get sacks, they want to run. They want to tackle because the offensive line typically doesn't get a lot of the attention. You know, it's, you know, we call them O-Block. You know what I mean? Like these are guys that are going to work for the betterment of the team and it's an unselfish position. And in today's day and age, you know, it's

great to have guys who do that. But I think there's an opportunity across America for big athletic guys who, you know, play basketball, who play defensive line. Yeah, to play in the offensive line because there's five of them on the field. There's more offensive linemen on the field than any other position on the field out of the 22. So those opportunities are there.

And, you know, I just think that, you know, a lot more of these guys should be playing the offensive line. See, just missed the perfect pass set. It's okay. It's okay. I mean, I was literally, I mean, coach, I think I missed my hole.

Still missing it. I don't know. Still missing it. Still missing it. There we go. And we're back in it. Did you know this was going to be outside in the rain? This is awesome.

This is great. Did you know this? We did not know this. This is big 10 football in November right here, man. What's tomorrow going to be like the weather? I mean, I hope it's in the thirties. I hope it's, you know, snowing and we can get out for some people hey for the good of football after what we saw last night in Cleveland did you see that it was awesome okay you watch put a

dome yeah I grew up in New Hampshire you can't imagine what it was like playing in November in the turkey bowl in Manchester New Hampshire Boston Connor has a question for you. Yeah, coach, speaking of New Hampshire, how's it been working with Chip Kelly? Obviously he came over to be the OC and I assume with all those studs you have on the field, sometimes he does look at you like, holy shit, why didn't I have this at UCLA? And also whenever the team does, you know, maybe underperforms, you could say, do you ever want to go to the media and just say like, hey, look, I know you guys are mad at me, but this is all Chip Kelly's fault.

I'm not the one doing this. It's chips fault. Stop yelling at me. Not a bad play. Yeah. Well, I think the first thing is there's trust there. And anytime you're in a, you know, pressure cooker environment, you want to be around guys that you trust. And you know, there's nobody I trust more than chip them, you know, with my life life other than my family. I've known him since I've been this tall you recruited me. He was my coach He's been a mentor for me. So like that's a big part of it now doesn't make it easy you know, I mean what we do every day like it's you know, you're chasing the top 1% and But but I just think that you know, you can you can have a you can have an argument

You can go through things but at the end of the day, you got your arm around each other because you know you're working for the same goal. I think he's done an unbelievable job of coming in, working with what we have. I think the offensive staff has great chemistry. I think the guys on offense really respect the way he's come in and added new things, but also incorporated things

that we've done here in the past. And so we've got to be at our best here now. A few weeks ago, I think the big discussion was Chip Kelly was able to put away his pride because he likes to run that hurry up stuff and you don't know if everybody's gonna be in the exact position for success with that. Chip Kelly has realized we got a lot of weapons let's do our shit but we don't need to rush it it's been beautiful to watch it all come together. Coach thank you so much for making time for us good luck tomorrow and this Hoosier's team's for us. Good luck tomorrow. Thanks and It's Hoosiers teams real deal. Well, so we oh

I love that. All right back to you boys. We said Ryan day out here for a little bit. I mean Ryan day What's his name Dan Mullen said earlier this week? Yep. Hey us coaches We know the spread Ryan day if he knows it's it's 10 You know a lieutenant a half 1114 the Ohio State boys might run up the scoreboard a little bit against Indiana if he's if he's very much aware of what that spread is I mean, I think there's a very good chance it goes one of two ways It's either you know, Indiana squeaks out a close one I think cuz everyone's saying hey, you know, these guys shouldn't be here or Ohio State is gonna beat the shit out of them I think I really do believe those are the only two options for how this game

checks out. Well, a lot of people were saying like, Sig's got to be on his game just because the athletes and just like the bodies that Ohio State has versus what Indiana has right now. And Sig's had two weeks to prepare. I can't, I cannot wait for this game on Saturday. And I know AJ Hawk with that script. Ohio is so nervous. Hey, listen, I don't know if he's so nervous after what Ryan Day just said. I said, hey, this is the entertainment team's real deal.

So are we. Okay. And then he walks off. And then he walked off. Didn't smirk, didn't smile. No, that was a very matter of fact right there. I loved hearing that out of him. Yeah, he's dialed in.

Yes, he is. And he said, he said this crowd is going to have an edge tomorrow. I think he called the crowd out. He didn't call them out, but he said hey we need you in your seats early We need you guys loud like your part of the game social media video. I told you about yeah social media video say hey We need you lot. We need you lot of dude, and I think that's potentially because he knows Just like we've been talking a week There's some Ohio fuck out there. Mm-hmm. Okay, okay, who has maybe not paid attention to anything other than Ohio State football

Yeah, they've heard about the Indiana thing Yeah, yeah, but like but in their brain like in here Yeah, right, I guess that's true I think Ryan is thinking about I think he's like hey listen This is not the same old Indiana But we can make this the same old outcome if we really treat this how we should I Obviously know that the Ohio State fans will show up in a big way, but I think there are some Ohio State fans who still are like, you're going to have to show us. It's not just Ohio State fans are thinking that about Indiana. No, there's a lot of people thinking about Indiana. You

should have heard production meeting this morning was, Oh, it was alive. Now I learned a lot of people in there don't watch our show. So that's what I learned because there's a lot of people saying nobody is giving Indiana a chance. I haven't even heard Indiana winning this game mentioned by anybody on TV. I'm like, all right, so nobody watches our show. I just realized that I wouldn't watch either. But I don't think we're the only ones that are kind of talking about. I think Joel Klatt put something out about last year's Michigan team, this year's Indiana team And then obviously those common opponent stats that guy you all are really good all worked up and jacked up

But I'll tell you what I like Ohio State more after how Ryan Dages acted right there I appreciated that sense of urgency seemingly and also the calm cool confidence con man Yeah, it's funny You say that about the production meeting because I was just gonna say like it feels like the whole week Everyone's been saying if Indiana wins if Indiana wins, I guess not Maybe we've been watching some different stuff But I think that's why I have a lot of faith in Ohio State is because the conversation all week is you know Ohio State it's not rather Ohio State's gonna kill this team Ohio State's gonna absolutely blow out Indiana the conversation more so is like like, well, if Indiana wins, is Ohio state out? Is Ohio state going to get booted from the playoff? If IU wins, what

if IU keeps it close? Like it does feel, especially from what you just said at Ryan day, just a quick little very stoic, like, so are we, we're the real deal as well. Like it, it's almost as if, and it shouldn't be, but it's almost as if as the number two seed in the country, they have to prove to everybody that they're a good football team I'm so pumped for Saturday and it just you know kind of hammers home the point like college football has been delivering Every single week and once again on Saturday We have a top five matchup for the fifth sixth time this year Like it is the best biggest best season we've ever had a college football to Connors point

It's so insane just because Ohio State Ryan Day lost like the last two years or whatever it was to a very very very very good Michigan team and Then that won by a last-second field goal down in Atlanta that you guys were there for like now people think that Ryan Day And Ohio State can't win a big game because they lost three games to some of the best football teams that have ever existed. Number one, number one, number one. Those are Oregon number one, Georgia number one, Michigan number one. You can see how that would maybe frustrate you or get a chip on your shoulder as a coach and the guy trickle down through the team, but that's great.

I mean, everybody is looking for that little thing to get them to wake up for that next workout, to get them to do the things that you don't want to do. Well, and I'm happy the games at noon, so the boys won't be able to hear but my open tomorrow that I'm going to talk about. I don't know if I want to poke the monster. I honestly because this Indiana story is awesome. And signet is awesome. And he's talked his shit, backed it up.

And he's brought a state back to life a university back to life With hope and opportunity and everything there and I know ESPN stats and predictors say a win they're in a loss They're in but you listen to a lot of people talk. It's like If Indiana does lose by a lot, there's gonna be a loud loud conversation by not just people in the SEC loud conversation by not just people in the SEC, but people around the country going, are we not going to want to schedule hard games anymore then?

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Football! Didn't have my ears in, completely forgot, couldn't hear anything. I thought we had lost our sound, but I put a beanie on obviously because it is chilly here in beautiful Columbus, Ohio. As the Ohio State Buckeyes are less than 24 hours away from having a battle against the Indiana Hoosiers. This is Ohio State legend AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk.

Good to see you AJ. Whenever you walk back on campus, which I know is a regular because you are a mainstay here for the Buckeyes. So you get a sense of boy, I wish it was me running on that field tomorrow to take on Kirk Cignutti's boys. Yeah, it is crazy to think of how long ago I was here. It's like 20 years pretty much now since I was playing here. So yeah, time goes pretty fast.

It definitely does. But I remember walking down this exact tunnel. It's gotten bigger. They got all these smoke machines now and everything. It was a little different. But yeah, the players come walking right through here. Boom. I remember the very first time I ran out there thinking,

like, wow, I feel actually pretty tiny. I remember my brothers telling me how small I looked on the sidelines and I was probably never gonna play Yeah, but you did play your freshman year I actually have a couple picks and even a pick six and played in the national championship because you're built different is what's the Song when you guys come out is it? Now it's the band it's the band now, you know the band plays us out. What is it? What's the sound? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I Stand in the land. What is it though? We mean it's the fight song. What is it? I don't know. I can't I'm not Cut his tree down don't you have a tree here on campus somewhere? Yeah, why is there I get when you become an all-american? They plant a bucket tree. I do not know Ty they moved Buckeye Grove as they call it.

It used to be right back here. Now it is somewhere over by the fall. You haven't even visited your tree. I've never seen the tree. Actually, I saw pictures of it. Man, not even on Arbor Day. No, unbelievable. Let's go to the toxic table at Boston Connor at Ty Schmidt.

We're going to move in the greatest coach of all time. Boys, if you can maybe summarize what this weekend is for college ball, we would all. What was that? Is that to battle? Somebody practicing? Somebody playing cat? Was that Saban? Someone following him around with a trumpet? What the hell was the band is playing hey what's the fight song sound like guys mouth it come play they don't know it either oh my god what an embarrassment

what's it sound like you even know what it sounds like? Oh these guys suck. Oh my god. AP Tone, one half of the hammer. Don. Cowboys. This weekend's a big one for college ball. A lot on the line. We're going to set up coach Sayed. Thank you. I appreciate it Pat. We've talked a ton about you know, Indiana at Ohio State, 13 points spread, tens points spread, whatever it is right now. But another huge one that I think like nobody has talked about quite as much yet is army at Notre Dame. Cause if this is a playoff game for sure, cause if obviously if army loses there, they're not going to be

in the playoff. They're not going to get that highest ranked conference champion, most likely. And then Notre Dame, if they lose, they are also out in this situation so that is ipso facto a playoff game in Yankee Stadium for the Shamrock series so that's another huge one in that situation I don't know if you guys have any thoughts on the Notre Dame army game it's just weird that you know I mean technically it's a Notre Dame home game if you will and there are obviously a lot of people who went to Notre Dame in the greater New York area and everything.

But the proximity to West Point, like I feel like there's a good chance that there are more, I mean, I don't know, Notre Dame obviously is a massive fan base, but still like, I wonder if playing at Yankee Stadium is anywhere different. And even if, if army does win this game, I still don't think it's a guarantee that they do get into the playoff, although I feel like if they do win this game that they it should be a guarantee Yeah I mean if they obviously if they if they beat Notre Dame and then they have two lane in the AAC Championship if they win that one, it's gonna be like

It would be super hard for the committee to keep them out whether it's jumping boys is the group of five highest ranked Conference champion or situation or whatever happens there But yeah, that is a huge one in Yankee Stadium this weekend Pat. How you looking over there brother? Fantastic ladies and gentlemen joining us now live from the tunnel in which the Ohio State Buckeyes take the field for every home game The greatest of all time ladies and gentlemen mix all time ladies and gentlemen, Mick Saban. Coach, how you doing boss? I think his microphone's off gonna turn that thing on. I'm good. There you are. We muted it. That's on us. Coach, great to see you. Good to be here. Chile. Chile. Bad weather. I try to forget about this kind of weather. Yeah, I heard the story about you and Miss Terry leaving the north

going to the south and deciding to never have to deal with this for a full schedule for sure. But tomorrow the weather conditions, how do you feel it's going to factor in this or both teams are from the North, they don't have to worry about it? Well, I think both teams are from the North, but we haven't had this kind of weather much anywhere in the country. And I do think football changes when it's cold, the ball changes, throwing the ball changes, catching the ball changes, holding on to the ball changes. So getting hit changes.

So there's a lot of things that change when it's really, really cold weather. But you know, the thing that I'm, this may affect tomorrow's game, but what's gonna happen when one of these teams from the South have to come up here and play in probably worse weather than this and young college players never have the opportunity to do that.

Yeah, so we're talking about the college football playoff and the home field advantage for the first round of the 12 team playoff. There's a lot of discussion about this during our production meeting this morning. That was awesome. I'm so lucky to be a part of it. But that's a huge aspect that I think we've chatted about the home field advantage, home field advantage being able to showcase you know the stadiums and showcase the atmosphere and the pageantry and the traditions which college

football has which no other sport has but also the weather like Penn State I think was hosting one for a while Ohio State here is allegedly going to host against BYU which obviously they've handled the weather before but Alabama having to go up to Notre Dame right now, Georgia having to go into Happy Valley and Penn State, Ole Miss having to go to Bloomington, you know, like that's a real thing that we haven't had to see in the past. These are the most important games of the season when they're dealing with something they've never felt before. No question about it.

And I think the other question that we haven't discussed much is would you rather have a buy or would you rather have home field advantage? We would rather have home field advantage I think right? I would. Yes. I'd definitely rather have home field advantage and play a game at home than having a buy because you have time at that point in the season to recover anyway so is it an advantage

to have more weeks off and try to get into the game or play more in a rhythm and go ahead and play and have a home field game? You get that rust off at home. You know, so you get a chance to get the rust off from the two weeks that are going to be at least from everybody. And then you have your crowd as a weapon and added weapon and so we've been pitching on this show for the last couple of weeks. And obviously nobody really listens when we talk.

But if you say it, people will. Don't you think until at least semi-final like if you get a bye should have home field advantage in that next week and they're trying to figure out the bowls and everything like that we get it put the bowls in these places I mean you could just ask no question I don't want to say name on that but you could just take these bowls and make them the semi-final quarter final game first round game everything like that. Yeah I think in college football especially with the big stadiums and the Big Ten and the SEC and all over the country really, having a game at home is a huge advantage. And if you're a higher ranked team, that should be

something that you take are able to take advantage of. So I absolutely think however they do it, there should be games played at home until maybe the semis. Yeah, at least the semis. I mean, we're gonna have to give and take. We would like it to go all the way to the national championship. But I assume that's not going to happen. Um, let's talk about this game here a little bit. Age is an Ohio State legend, obviously. No doubt. Buckeye, you know, and he has no bias at all. He's pulling for the Buckeyes. We just had Ryan Day on. And at the very end, I said to him, I said, hey, Indiana is the real deal this year. And he said, so are we. And then he walked off.

No smirk or nothing. Nothing at all. The pressure on Ryan Day to win is obviously immense. Every year it is. This year more specifically. Indiana is coming in with a good team. How do you see this whole thing going? Well, I think Indiana does have a really good team. Probably a better team than what people think because you always think of the brand like you always think Ohio State, Michigan. You don't really think Ohio State, Indiana. And that'll be something that the Ohio State players have to really comprehend from a psychological standpoint that these guys are a pretty good team. But I think that Indiana's defensive line is better than people giving credit for and with the recent injuries in the offensive line for Ohio

State that'll be maybe something to watch. But I also think that the skill guys that Ohio State has, the running backs, the wide receivers, gonna be really really hard for Indiana to match up with all those people. Now Indiana obviously the strength of schedule, big conversation. They took on last year's national champion, Michigan, because Michigan wasn't good this year. Obviously it doesn't count as a good win. They took on last year's national champion runner up, Washington, but because Washington's in the middle

of transition, that doesn't count as a good win. It's like the big wins for Indiana, at the time I think for Indiana, big wins, but overall grand scheme of things, they're not gonna be considered as such. And then you think about Ohio State, if they were to lose to Indiana they would lose to number one Oregon and then probably number one or number two Indiana is their strength to schedule match up there's chaos on the horizon no matter what happens here tomorrow.

Oh I don't think there's any question about it and I think what comes into play here is not the top teams in your league like I think Ohio State and Oregon and you know the top teams in the Big Ten are just as good as the top teams in the SEC, but the SEC is so much deeper. You know there's eight or nine teams that have been in the top 25 this year and they're all playing each other and they're beating each other. So you got a two-loss team that has played like Georgia five top 25 teams and they have two losses. That's a little different than playing no top 25 teams or not beating any top 25 teams like some other teams in the Big Ten and in other places in the country. Chaos. We talked to Coach Mullen the other day and you could tell us this a little bit more. College football has always been

in a vote like it's always been just like opinion based subjective there it is subjective always has been right it's a part of like the i don't say the lore of college football but it is a part of college football and always has been this year it's going to be bigger than ever i think there's going to be more chaos more loudness from teams than ever before because there's more spots more teams thinking they deserve it exactly and i and you know let's look at the NCAA basketball tournament they put 68 teams in and then they have a two-hour show on ESPN about who didn't get in so it doesn't matter whether it's 12 teams 16 teams there's always going to be a debate about who didn't get in but I

think the good news about this and I've said this many times before is they will get the best five or six teams in for sure. That's something that won't happen. There's been times in the past when like in 2003 we won lots of people thought Southern Cow should have got in. You know there were times when we didn't get in or we got in and Florida State didn't get in. I mean where the fifth team got left out. So I don't think that's going to happen. They'll get the best teams in, but it's going to be some of the teams that get in and some of the teams that don't get in

and how that all worked out is going to be an issue. Hey, I remember that Coach Saban speech of like, well, how come all right, all sports books have us favored against every team if we're to play them that's in a play. Tell me how that makes sense. Because I remember that there's some of the best speeches I've ever heard you give. have us favored against every team if we're to play them that's in a play. Tell me how that makes sense because we I remember that there's some of the best speeches I've ever heard you give and then on the flip side

I think there's some times where you thought like I don't know if we're gonna get in and then you guys get in somebody gets Left out. It's just kind of the name of the game almost. Yeah, and it was all subjective. It was all subjective It's crazy and the one thing about we would have been 13 point favorites over TCU if we would have played them. And they got in the playoffs when we did. And I'm not criticizing TCU, it wasn't their fault. I mean, but that is the subjective part of it. What happened to TCU in that run?

Yeah, yeah. That game, James. How was that game? How was that game? Yeah, yeah, you were. We were working together. Yeah, that's right. It was a great thing.

Go ahead, James. That's right, Coach. I say tomorrow, we always talk about getting out to a fast start. I know it's a cliche thing. If you were Ryan Day in the Ohio State Buckeyes, you want to pound the ball early, what do you want to do, I guess, to come out? I feel like a game like this would be so valuable to get out to an early lead. Get the fans on your side and kind of quiet everything down. Yeah, but I think, I always preach to our team no matter what.

We're gonna play a 60 minute game and you don't really dominate the team in the 10th play or the 20th play of the game It might take 50 plays in the game to make the guy say uncle, you know And you really want to defeat the other team. You just don't want to win the game You know, that's that's what I always try to preach to our team But I do think momentum is an important thing and if you can earn momentum early in the game by getting off to a good start It affects the other team psychological disposition It also gives your team confidence and it's a little easier if you can maintain, you know that momentum throughout the game Do you change practice like let's say your team isn't a good starter, you know

Like there's been some teams that I've been on slow starters, but closers, you know, and then there's been some teams that have been incredible at the beginning and then bad late. Is there things that you can change there? Or is the team's identity kind of how they are? Well, I think it's probably how they are, but I do think that however you are, you want to try to change for the better. So however you identify a weakness in your team, you want to work on that and you want to work on that and you want

to focus on that and you want to make the players realize this is an issue guys. We're not finishing games. We got to play for 60 minutes or we're starting out poorly which means we're not practicing well enough. We're not preparing well enough. We don't have those, you know, everybody makes a 20-place grip than the beginning of the game that they're going to run. We're going to make sure we don't mess those things up so we get off to a good start.

So there's ways to try to fix it, but I think it's like quality control in any business. You identify a weakness, you wanna get a change. Easier said than done, somehow you're able to do it. How long were you coaching for? How long did you coach for? 50. Jeez.

Good moment. Thanks for your comment. Thanks for your comment. You're welcome. The boys back in Indianapolis have some photo questions. AP Tone is up first. Yeah, coach. I was looking at the schedule and there's a lot of potential playoff teams on the road this week. A&M at Auburn, Bama at Oklahoma, Penn State at Minnesota, Ole Miss at Florida, Colorado at Kansas. And Kansas has been playing spoiler the last two weeks. So if you're you're in this situation where your playoff team going to one of these teams

that are only in it to play spoiler this week, what is your message to the team when the team that they are playing on the road is only there just to ruin your playoff chances? Well you know I always had kind of the same message for our team you know we wanted to you know beat the other team we wanted to focus and control what we could control. And when you play on the road, you're not only playing against the team that you're playing against, you're playing against their fans, their spirit, their passion, but none of those people have anything to do with the outcome of the game. There's not one fan you want to play a play that the noise doesn't affect the outcome of the game. So we

control what we control by how we execute and how we do it. And it doesn't matter where we do it. Now, I should tell our guys if we ought to go play in a parking lot, then we'll go play in a parking lot. We got to go execute what we got to do wherever we play and take the other team out of their game. And sometimes a team thinks that by playing at home, that's an advantage. And I used to tell our players because that was the thing in LSU, you know, we play at home, it's so loud. It's Death Valley. It's hard

to play here. And I would say it's not playing in Tiger Stadium. It's the Tigers that play and play Tiger Stadium that make a difference. So you can't get caught up in that thinking that some external factor is going to help you win you win coach I've heard a lot of people say if we're playing a home away in a parking lot like you just said right there What would the style game plan be if you did have to play in a parking lot? What would you that's a fast track feels like that's a fast track. We're taking we're taking deep shots How would you play that game get a flat back and some hat speed and button in the throat? That's what? back and some hat speed and butt him in the throat. That's what I like to do. Team. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Now, Army plays a little bit different, I think, than typical service academies, but do you think it's an advantage to play a service academy this late in the season when you have

a full season's worth of tape and it's not like when you play them early on and you have no idea what they're going to do because they play so much differently than your typical opponent? I think the big thing is, at this point in the season happened to play such a different offense as an option offense but the advantage for Notre Dame is they played Navy and there's a lot of similarities so their scheme is probably going to have had a lot of reps because they played Navy but playing option football where they move the point of attack on the run is not something that

modern-day current football players really play much because everybody's in consumption football where they move the point of attack on the run is not something that modern day current football players really play much because everybody's in the spread. So this is usually a huge adaptation and a huge adjustment for your team late in the season. But Notre Dame has an advantage because they have played against it just recently. Brison Daley is a dog. We've been talking about him on game day the last couple weeks. He got banged up. He's back. They're showing his highlights. He's a different animal.

Obviously shot to Armie. Neutral site. Good for those types of games or no? Well, I think it is for Armie. I mean, because they don't have the same kind of stadium as Notre Dame. But I think what Armie is going to do in this game and they're built for it, they're going to actually try to shrink the game every way they can. They run the ball 87% of the time. It's pretty good. And they're going to keep try to shrink the game every way they can. They they run the ball 87% of the time. And they're going to keep

running it. And if they can average three yards of play, they'll go for it on fourth down, they're going to try to keep the ball away from Notre Dame, and hopefully keep the game close. So maybe they have an opportunity and then to win it. AJ quick math, you average three yards of rush, you do it four straight plays. How many yards is that? Probably about 12 maybe

what's the first down down 10? Oh my god That is winning football three and a half yards in the cloud of dust. That's what he hates Well, yeah, I did tell Pat about the greatness of what he did not with Woody. Yeah, absolutely when I coached here I had three different occasions where I heard Woody either speak or sit down and talk to him have lunch with him or whatever And I was always fascinated by the wisdom I heard Woody either speak or sit down and talk to him have lunch with him or whatever and I was always fascinated by the wisdom You know, like I always tell the story when Michigan was number one when I was here in 1981 I think and we had lost two games and they were number one in a country where like 17 point underdogs were going up there to play. And Woody comes to the senior tackle

and gives a speech, the best speech I ever heard. He said, there can be no great victories without tremendous adversity. And he takes us going to Michigan to play with all these obstacles that we have to overcome and compared to the Warren Pacific, it's the greatest military victory of all time. And the reason for that is because of Pearl Harbor.

So and he says, well, you guys have all these obstacles. You're 17.9 hundred dogs. You're playing on the road. There's 110,000 people against you. The weather's bad. It's snowing. It's cold. This is the greatest opportunity in the world for a great victory.

And we went from having a negative attitude to, oh man, we got a chance to have a great victory. And we won. We won 14-9. It was a great game, one of my best memories. And then I was jumping up and down in the locker room after the game saying, we finally arrived. We're a young team. We could beat anybody in the country now.

And Woody comes walking in and he says, I'm glad we don't have a game next week. And I'm like, what's up with this guy? He said, we played ass over teakettle day. They had a team in the country we'd beat next week. So we wasted it all. When I say wisdom, that's what I mean by wisdom. That's how we feel whenever you talk now. Obviously, growth in this entire game and the game has changed.

Just yesterday, we had Julian Juju Lewis on the show. He was committed to USC. Sunday, he decommits to USC. Yesterday, he commits to Colorado. He was the number one recruit of the 2026 class. He reclassifies into the 2025 class. I think he had to academically test out of some classes, so obviously incredibly intelligent.

Bryce Underwood yesterday, I believe is his name. He commits to Michigan yesterday with a alleged four year 10 and a half million dollar deal. When Juju did it, he had a door dash bag over his shoulder. Obviously perfect timing with Shador leaving and him going in and his Underwood kid perfect timing with everything they got going on at the quarterback position. Now you've seen the game change a lot and you're at the beginning stages of this entire

NIL transfer portal modern world that we're in How do you feel about the thought of these young guys saying I want to go somewhere where I can play but also somewhere where I can make a Lot of wealth and prosper off of it. How do you feel about the modern recruiting and how do you think it goes going forward? Well, I'm not sure the system is great for development of players But you certainly cannot blame the players for choosing a school for both reasons that you just said. Somewhere I can play and it's the system allows me to do it and I'm a free agent even in high school to make a decision about where I want to go

to school why not take advantage of it. Now do I think that's a college experience that we all you know sort of had the opportunity to go through and develop and mature, develop a career off the field, graduate from school, try to you guys played in the NFL, have a chance to develop to play in the NFL. Maybe not the best model for that but it is certainly the best model for these guys to take advantage of right now, because it is the rules and you can't blame them for taking advantage of it.

And I don't think you're saying these two guys in this particular case, you're just talking about as a whole, what everybody's looking for is this in this potentially now, obviously, prime coach prime over there in Colorado showcase, can get a quarterback to the NFL can get people to the Heisman. Michigan has obviously done the same thing. But this is a national thing, I think use what you were chatting about. Not just exactly. But I'm specifically saying these two guys did that. Where can I play? And how can I enhance my future the best in terms

of how much you know, people are willing to invest in you're not you're not making a lot of money if you're not playing. That was kind of brought to my attention yesterday. I think Pete Thamel said that to me yesterday. Do you boys remember? Pete said you think about these NIO deals, right? Like, obviously, if you're arch manning, you're still going to get paid if you're not playing because you're a manning and you do even need the money because you come from a well off family. But if you don't, and your money is strictly coming

for your entire family from you playing if you're getting registered or not playing the money's not anywhere near what it is so playing time is like yeah goes hand in hand with all of it almost well I think your development is the most important thing you can do when you're in college especially if you're a premier player because really there's so much more if you can develop into an NFL successful player long term long term and I think that's important, but one of the things I would caution all these guys about in recruiting right now,

you know, there's a court case out there that's probably gonna get settled, probably gonna get settled sometime in April. And when that court case gets settled, it may change the landscape of name, image, and likeness to some degree, which may affect some of these deals because it's gonna be marketing based. And you got to develop a marketing reputation if you want to make any money in marketing.

So plan still is important, right? That ruling just completely throwing a wrench potentially in all of these deals. Because what happens? What's the ruling do that? Exactly. Salary, this is where the revenue. This is salary cap revenue. Revenue sharing.

There'll still be name, image and likeness, but it'll be controlled by what your marketing value is. So you just can't pay for play, which is what it's become right now, which is probably not a good thing. So it might be better, but these deals that are being made under these circumstances may change a little bit. April 8th, I believe is the date if if I am accurate in this whole thing. What do you got the rest of the day coach? You already filmed film room or no? I already did it. Got it knocked out? Running the option man. It's having them safeties run the alley. We got it. I love watching you do that shit on game day legitimately. You're fantastic out there. Tomorrow morning should be amazing. We can't thank you enough for stopping by. I appreciate it. We gave you a hand warmer.

So I had three hand warmers in my hoodie. I forgot about them. So as you're talking, I was pulling them out. I passed them down. I pulled out a second one. I pulled out a third one and AJ was like, where the fuck are you getting these hand warmers? Where were these things for the last hour and a half? Well one thing I want to commend you on, you know, this is obviously a great atmosphere to get your ass ready to play. Yeah, you're damn right. But to do a radio show or podcast, I don't know, man. Well, we appreciate you stopping by these, you know, hey, listen, what a great opportunity this was.

This was. Without great adversity, there's no chance for a great victory. Boom. And that's what we had today with this conversation. We can't thank you enough ladies and gentlemen the GOAT Nick Saban. Yeah coach! I had no idea he coached at Ohio State. Oh yeah. I mean yeah I guess when you're Nick Saban you kind of get to coach over 50 years.

That's crazy. It really is. It's such a long. That's crazy. It really is. Such a long time. It's insane. They're watching him show up with that coat and be cold the entire time. And I think Pat saw it too, because he immediately asked about those SEC teams going to Big Ten places. I hope the college football playoff stays the way that it is

as far as SEC schools having to go to those cold places because that would make, just like last night, like that would make the playoffs so much better I also have to just settle it like SEC Big Ten is gonna be this thing for so long I might as well just have as many SEC Big Ten games as possible because I mean SEC could say to like oh Yeah, we put in the cold you want play in this heat. Don't come down here play here They should they should also do that like if they're I mean, they're never going to do it But if there are four big 10 schools and four sec schools, they should make both, both of them play each other

every single year. The top two big 10 schools get those games at home and the top two sec schools just get those games at home because people can scoff at it and act like it's not a big deal. Like this kind of weather, it's absolutely a big deal. No doubt. Yeah. I'd say, and you can ask one particular team and I'd say. I'd say it's a big deal. And you can ask one particular team, and I don't know if his mic's on, check the Miami Dolphins last year, having to go play the Kansas D. You know, like there's some teams that view snow games and there's some guys from the South and from warm weather that it's like, it's my first time seeing snow.

And it's like a, it's like a celebration. It's like, man, this is so cool. I get to do this. But then there's some teams that are like, it's my first time seeing snow. And it's like a celebration. It's like, man, this is so cool I get to do this. But then there's some teams that are like, get me out of here. Get me the hell out of here. Let's get this game over. Hey, offense, run the ball. Let's get out of here.

I've heard NFL players talk about that. I'm from Pittsburgh, cold place. You're from Ohio, cold place. It sucks being cold. I mean, it's- I think the older you get, the worse it is being cold too. It sucks being cold. So like being from the South,

if you have the right mindset, it's like, Oh, I get to play in a court like James Winston last night when his eyes. Yes. Yes. You saw him just get so excited. That was a fun call though. He was Will Ferrell.

He was like Elf, you're right. He was Will Ferrell in Elf with his excitement level you talk about it Go ahead Conner you you will you ranked him yesterday like the snow cold is the number one cold like that is exactly What you're looking for early on it felt like it was almost like the rain type cold But once it became like the thick snow if it did feel as if everyone was like, okay, let's play ball This is exactly what we're looking for. Uh, boys. Uh, normally we wait until about the third hour to do this, but I'm 100% sure how long this one's going to go into the third hour. I think it's time for us to make our

pick. All right, let's do it. So let's do it. The entire NFL slate against the spread, uh, AJ Hawk, the face of Ohio and I will be doing that just like we do every week Can we look up the current standings me versus? A little reminder of what it is. I'm not sure if we have On in nine, I think I've got I got one win over you. So you're one nine in one something like that Yeah, I believe it's one nine and one So you have no chance of coming back. No, I can win this week. You can spoil, you can be a spoiler.

I can win this week. You can certainly win this week. You certainly can. And to be clear, every game, because the spread exists, is impossible, it's coin flip. And we're lucky we get to do this. And when this show ends at 1.55 today, this show is over. So.

This is that cold rain kind of stuff we're talking about. If this turned into nice beautiful huge snowflakes, that would be ideal. This is the worst. This isn't happening. This is the worst case scenario. We're out in it through for the first hour. Didn't need to be. We just found out.

And I mean it is, let's get to it. By the way, this is Zito production in Tim McAfee production Sean Perkins Ohio State University facilities manager He helped us out immensely through this whole thing so Zito and Tim could get in here early in the morning and set this Whole thing up. We got a three camera system. Don't forget about Mike Foss. Oh yeah, Mike Foss runs the show. Obviously, thank you to Mike Foss. Thank you, Foss, for this opportunity.

Foss actually is the one that cut these sleeves off of this hoodie you're talking. Mike Foss runs the show. Is that Mike? Mike! Mike, over here! That's not Mike Foss. Man, That's a bummer. It's not. Well, we love Mike Foss. He got put into quite a predicament because of a statement from

somebody else. And we'll certainly hold that over his head forever. The drummers are drumming somewhere. Pipers are piping. The pipers were piping earlier. I don't know if you heard that. Technically that could be Mike Foss behind you. Hey, it's not. It's not. We checked it out. But um, I like it. Trumpet too.

Some big old drums. We can feel the boom. You hear that right there? Yeah. There's some real boom coming through this tunnel. It's not the Ohio State Buckeyes and it's almost like we got it delivered by DoorDash which you can deliver anything on DoorDash which is why DoorDash is the perfect tag team partner for your day to day I don't know

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Hey yeah, I think- You got everything, biggest menu on the planet. All right, anyway, shout out to DoorDash. We appreciate the hell out of him pizza. Always available Certainly something for us Dallas Cowboys Traveling to Washington to take on the commanders going into the season Would you ever expect the commanders to be ten and a half point favorite at home against the Cowboys in week 12? Anything we need to know about that game boys back in the studio. I believe everybody's good Cooper Rush playing again Mike is still playing Yeah, I think they're good to go

How about Mike apologizing two weeks afterwards for what he said about Mike McCarthy? Yeah, I guess so I mean if he just said it didn't that's not what I meant, right? Yeah, he said I was rushing out of there I got him out wrong. Like I guess that hat that does happen, right? Where you say something you don't mean the way people interpret it Yeah, I appreciate the fact that he came out and said two weeks later interesting. I don't know how Maybe it should have been said, but I appreciate him doing that Give me the cow. I'm not doing it again commanders minus 10. The manners are Scary first. Yeah, give me the commander's minus 10 and a half as well Detroit Lions taking on the Indianapolis Colts

It's only seven now. here's the thing. Uh oh. What? Yeah. So I appreciate if the fact of the matter is that the Indianapolis Colts team is going to utilize me as motivation. You know. What do you mean? Well Zaire Franklin and EJ speed Two men to play on the defensive side of the ball for the Indianapolis Colts Good ballplayers They have a podcast called the trenches and they say Zaire and EJ clap back at the meeting and they use my picture Okay in the in the thing as if I'm the only human that was talking about all the problems that were happening in your locker room Okay, your locker room the one that had people missing treatment and gambling on the team and being late to meetings And saying they don't work hard and quarterbacks tapping out of and I'm the problem. Okay, okay

I think that's a potential part of the issue with the Colts. Yeah, but with that being said everything's still in front of them Everything is still in front of you're still picking them here. Everything is in front of them. You start looking at the Colts and the Lions, you think to yourself, well this Lions team turned that franchise into a winner. Okay. This Colts team potentially turned the Colts into losers. You know, like two very different situations. We haven't won the AFC South in 10 years. Oh Everyone AFC South now the way people are getting paid in the way people act in the Indianapolis coach facility You would think they're winning Super Bowls. No, they're not they've won AFC South since 2014 damn we got people wondering if they're even working hard that's in their locker room not mine

Damn, we got people wondering if they're even working hard that's in their locker room. Not mine. I'm my locker room now granted I'm in Indianapolis. I'm at the games. I see the things that are taking place on the run you guys had Yeah, it used to be great. You used to be great. I was very lucky very small Small small part of a very good teams back in the day But yeah used to be a good team used to be somebody that was worried, you know Whatever the Colts are coming to town now it's like people are almost circling the Colts again for a dub which is not great that's their locker room that's not mine now they don't like me in that locker room from what i've understood and i've heard and i'm cool with that now i checked back for zaire franklin you know i went through his college record as well at Syracuse yeah

how was it not a lot of wins there either. You know? So hopefully this becomes a winning... See, there's no reason to do that. There's no reason to do that. I did not know that was getting pulled up right there. I had no idea that was going to happen. But hopefully, you know, this entire thing that I'm the bad guy that's pointing out all the things that your locker room has done and your team has done for the first time in the history of the NFL some things have happened that not in a good way. But if I'm the guy that's going to motivate them and rally them, they're going to utilize me as they get over the winds that sweet but not this weekend

given the Lions minus 20. In Lucas Torres against the Indianapolis Colts, man, I mean, with all that being said, you being like the Herb Brooks for them where they can all get together and you're gonna you're gonna light that fire in that locker room. Yeah, give me the line minus seven this week. Yeah, I think everybody understands that. Let's go to Titans Texans Titans plus seven and a half going to alien.

Yeah, what it is. Oh, there's a guitar. I don't know what's going on. That's the middle, baby. I don't think that's part of the middle. That's sweet. Got to be soundchecked for some stuff. Allegedly this is Fox doing this. Ah, sure.

Ah, it's Fox. I guess Fox's set is at the top of the tunnel right there. So they're soundchecking stuff. It's gonna be good. These guys are gonna cross it. Man. I don't know, I got good rhythm. I heard the drums were boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

All right, so now we got a massive game down in Houston for the AFC South. Titans getting a touchdown, more than a touchdown. CJ Stroud, obviously, big win over the Daz Cowboys. AJ, how do you feel about this one? Man, this is, seven and a half does feel like a lot. You know, for some reason, I feel good about the Titans here covered. So give, this is, seven and a half does feel like a lot. You know, for some reason, I feel good about the Titans here covered.

So give me the Titans plus seven and a half. Wow. They got a stingy defense. I'm not claiming that they will win, but I think they can cover. Give me the Texans. Let's go Buccaneers, Giants. Giants will be playing Tommy Cutlets.

Uh-huh. Tommy Cutlets, he's favored by six. No, I'm sorry, he's getting six at home against the great Tampa Bay Buccaneers. A lot of drama over there in the Giants organization. Who knows how good of a look their offense is gonna get and Daniel Jones is playing safety with the practice squad. I don't know if he's bought in or not bought in

to do in that particular role. I would see how he could not be. He has for his release, he might be playing for a different team literally next weekend. Give me the Buccaneers favored by 6 on the road in MetLife. Yeah, 6 does not feel like enough here. Go ahead, comment.

Sorry, Mike Evans, I believe he practiced this week, should be back and then there's a stat he needs like 635 yards over these last seven games to be I think the first guy ever or maybe just join a club to have 10 or 11 straight seasons with a thousand yards. Okay so yeah I like the Bucs even more. Oh yeah I do too. Baker will do whatever it takes I think to get him that and bake just donated all those helmets to that high school team that did great so yeah give me the Bucs here minus six. I love that they're coming off a buy so they've had two weeks to prepare for Tommy Cutlets or whatever Dable is gonna do. I like what Tommy DeVito does no matter what he does.

I like what he does. I just like the Buccaneers a little bit more. Vikings Bears Vikings favored by three and a half in Chicago. Zito is back there working the cameras right now. I don't know if he has a mic. Zit, how do you feel about this? Thumbs up, thumbs down. Thumbs up. Love it. Okay, you like the Bears plus three and a half. I was getting the KOC's head before we went live, so I think we're in a good spot. Okay little psych out from Zete as he was Kevin O'Connell ready for the show Is there anything we need to know about this other than the fact that the Vikings and the Vikings and the Bears of the Bears? No, I think I think they're pretty healthy too as these as far as these as far as healthy can be at this point in

The season there's play good last week man. They did. Yeah. Is that the- Should've won that game. Definitely should've won that game. Is the bump over though? Is the Waldo, hey, we got a new play car now? Is that bump kind of done with? Where in the world is Shane Waldron coaching? Give me the Minnesota Vikings minus three and a half. Kevin O'Connell came on the program.

Obviously I appreciate it. Yeah, he was awesome. I'm taking the Vikings here minus three and a half. Kevin O'Connell came on the program, obviously I appreciate it. Yeah, he was awesome. I'm taking the Vikings here minus three and a half. I know KOC also said they haven't played a complete game yet. They don't need to probably to win this one, but I still think they win. Kansas City Chiefs taking on the Carolina Panthers

in the Queen City. You don't go downtown, you go uptown in Charlotte. Chiefs are going down to Carolina. Favorite is 10 and a half points as back-to-back Super Bowl champions. Bryce Young and that Panthers team has been playing good over the last couple weeks. I know. We can't forget that. That's why this is tough for me with 10 and a half points seems like a lot.

David Tepper has not been hated by his fan base for at least a month and a half, right boys? Correct, yeah. Woody Johnson really doing the Lord's work for him there too as like maybe the most hated owner in the NFL right now And kind of a good bit of juju ever since they did that concert for the hurricane victims They've kind of been you know, just a little bit better What was that 21 million or something raised? 24 million that was phenomenal stuff Tepper says you can have it all whatever you need Please let's help as much as we possibly can he should have matched that baby

Yeah, yeah have it all, whatever you need, please let's help as much as we possibly can. He should have matched that baby. Yeah. Yeah. That would be pretty good. He probably donated millions of dollars for this entire thing. Like why not more? Why not just double it? Just throw 25 out. Baby steps for Tepper here. One foot in front of the other. Okay. Stadium's enough for right now for him. I like what Carolina has been doing. Good for them finding some happiness. That canals Bryce Young hug at the end of that first win was very cool. But the Chiefs is the Chiefs. And I think they just come off a loss. So they have quite a work week.

They probably wake up a little bit. I like the Chiefs minus 10 and a half. Yeah, I like the Chiefs minus 10 and a half. But also the stadium will be full most likely. Won't it? Chiefs fans will travel. Chiefs fans will fill that place up That's what's gonna feel like the carry line you guys do anything cool here for that you guys thought I I know that guy We were never I don't know about you in college

I don't we were never out there for the anthem players weren Yeah, back in our day, it wasn't like a thing. No, they do the whole script. Ohio, it's amazing. But the players, we were still in the locker room for all that. Yeah, National Anthem was only massive games. Yeah. We were out there for.

I don't know if I was ever out for the anthem in college. National Championship probably, right? Don't you think? Ooh, maybe. I don't remember. I always remember us being in the south. Cause I remember I got to Green Bay. It was the first time we were ever out there. So were you sitting down in the locker room whenever the national never heard it

You couldn't hear it. But if I knew it sitting down The doorways by hand in my heart, you know, I couldn't hear it and coach and say hey come on get in the circle I'm trying to break it down as a coach. They might be doing the anthem that was like kind of it I think even at the beginning of my NFL career and and I assume yours, we weren't out there for every national anthem. It was like big, right? We weren't always out. I remember when we were out there, big Mike would tell us, Hey, look professional, get a straight in a straight line, stay in like on the outbound line. So don't be all, you know, up and back and up and back. Like everyone's standing straight line. I'm like, okay, I get it coach. Then then it became an every

game everybody thing. Yeah yeah and then you know what happened yep and then people boycotted the NFL and then now we're back seemingly to what a roller coaster really not exist not happening to happening so the very polarizing situation to your back now we're back now we're at the top of the tree. Alright so I will take the Kansas City Chiefs there. Patriots, Dolphins, con man. How do you feel? Fantastic. Drake may has continued to be an absolute workhorse. Uh, I don't know how many more games I can take of the Patriots losing in a heartbreaking fashion

than coming in here on Monday saying, well, Drake may is pretty good. So who cares that we lost, but I feel good going out of Miami good weather Hopefully not sure if it'll be raining or not, but dolphins also pretty good vibes coming out of that camp as well Yeah, I saw coach McDaniel giving a good speech yesterday a lot of self-awareness Jumpy here behind the camera. How do you feel about the dolphins at home against the Patriots pal? Yeah, we're cooking right now Offense is figured it out. We're just controlling the game. We, uh, we're probably not going to lose the game. We're going to the playoffs. Really? We might not lose again. Rest of the season. How do we call it, man? How do we feel about the Patriots traveling down to

Miami this late in the season? Isn't that normally an issue? Yeah, normally an issue, but we got the young horses. Okay. Drake may he is from the South. He's basically a hay seed. He probably owns some land in Florida and to be clear with Gumpy, sure they might win but they're not going to cover every game because I love the Patriots with that number this weekend. Just 30 seconds left on the clock and the home team is moving forward confidently after securing the family with life insurance from Sun Knight. Wow what a play! Talk about a smooth transition, Gary.

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We just got kids that have been creeping over our shoulder here for like the last 20, 30 minutes. Not awkward at all. They've been yelling a little bit. I've seen them. Go to high, boys. Oh, wait! Oh, yeah, boy. Best student section in the country. at all they've been yelling a little bit I have seen them good oh hi boys oh hey yeah boy best in section the country that's not true that's not true way not true actually the block of this the offensive line no block oh is it right here the student section no block goes the offensive I know it's that too yeah that's what I'm saying it so you guys got any things you guys got

one name for everything around here hey thank you boys you guys are the leaders of the student section you are what's your name Adam what year you junior how many leaders are there you just the Okay, let's go. What time does everything start? We started at 8 tomorrow. Okay, you guys stopping by game day or worried about this? No, we gotta be in here at 8. Okay, got it. All right. I don't love that. I don't love that. Indiana, take it over.

Hey, first shot together. Good luck, boys. Have a good game. Thank you for the shirts. They just delivered like door dash. Right into the basket. Isn't that very nice? They say they gotta be in here at 8 o'clock tomorrow so pretty early that's four hours before the game before the players are here i am uh that's what ryan day saying no boys we need you they're saying they need you patriots dolphins patriots getting seven and a half against miami go ahead and put me on the board for the patriots plus seven and a half. Yeah, put me on the board for this. Yeah, we know. As well, don't be what do you mean? The seven every week, brother, we get it.

I'm on the point who's behind you there. I think there's another Miami Dolphins die hard. They're bro. So hopped off the train a few weeks ago. He's not welcome back. No, he was in the trenches when we were two and six shot the bro. So getting Tim McAf in the Zito hotel rooms out of nowhere last night.

Hey, Brosio. Having the violence. Here we go, Brosio. He's working hard, isn't he? Yeah, you can see it. That's what Brosio does. All right, let's go to the next game. Denver Broncos, Las Vegas Raiders.

Broncos favored by six in Las Vegas. This Raiders team, I don't know what to make of the whole season. I don't know what to make of the whole conversation. I don't know what to make of the trade deadline. I don't know what to make of the future. I don't know what to make of the Raiders at all. We love Max Crosby.

Is he playing? Is he playing? Cause I saw McDaniel dunked on him last week. So I didn't know if he was out this week or not. I love that. I love it. LOL is what McDaniel ended with. And anytime you're a head coach of an NFL team saying LOL

To somebody on the field, you know, you're in a different era and that's what the Miami Dolphins are certainly doing right now I would jeez at least it is the base they're rocking out here base players plugged in now I'm a Fox wants to play this game. We can play this game. I got time and money, you know, and thoughts. I got ideas and opinions. I actually respect this. It keeps me alive because of how cold it's getting. Let's go back to this game here. Broncos, Raiders.

I'll take the Broncos minus six just because I feel like vibes are good for them. And for the Raiders, it's just question marks everywhere. Yeah. Bo Nicks minus six. No question. I will take him and I don't know. Yeah, I have them and for the Raiders. It's just question marks. Yeah, but bone X minus six No question. I would take him and I don't know Yeah, I have no clue what the Raiders are Niners Packers Who knows what this line is gonna look like with more information on Brock Birdie legitimately? Who knows what that whole thing's gonna like? What else did you say Trent and both?

So you also yeah and both the both side believe oblique hip he missed most the end of last game Actually, that's kind of where the tide turned for Seattle. And then yeah, Trent Williams also did not practice yesterday. John Lynch said he did local radio this morning. He said, hey, it's probably going to be a stretch for all three of these guys. So we'll see. Brandon Allen, I think, is going to start too.

That's going to go up. They said that win today? No, sorry. If Brock is out, it'll be, I saw a report that it would most likely be Brandon Allen, not the pastor. Yeah, cause we'll keep eyes on that. And I assume this line will move depending upon

that information. With all that being said, a lot of question marks in San Francisco, Packers just come off a block kick win. That feels like that's something that can kind of inspire you Robert Sala has been doing great stuff with the Green Bay Packers since joining LeFleur, Goontacoon, send the boys over there.

Joe Douglas fired, Sala fired, Packers living the high life. Give me the Packers minus three at home. Yeah. I mean Packers in Lambeau field in November. Absolutely. I mean all three of them are stretch Bosa, Trump Williams and Brock Purdy. That's a tough task for San Francisco. That line's got to jump up to six or something. Right? I mean, if Purdy's out that move like four and a half, five maybe. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Okay. So we'll take Packers minus three right now. Yeah. Right now. Cardinals, Seahawks, Seahawks favored by one at home. Cardinals coming off a bye, right? Yeah. Yeah. Huh? Remember, Kyle was eating pizza in New

York and also Tyler didn't like not playing football. Which is good news. It's great news, actually. That is very good news. I agree, especially with the new Call of Duty. And he's a dog on the road. He's a good dude. He's a chip on the shoulder. Yeah, give me Kyler Murray.

Give me Kyler Murray. Give me the card. I'm taking Kyler Murray. Yeah, absolutely. As well, I love the Seahawks though. Hey, love the Seahawks. Big win last week. Geno.

Geno Smith doing amazing things. That Seattle Seahawks 12th man might be back too, now that they know that they're all the way in it maybe some things are rolling back in the right direction I don't think Arizona Cardinals fans are known for taking over stadiums just yet hopefully in a couple years so it's going to be a tall task but I like the Cardinals getting a point on the road there and then let's go to the is that monday night? Sunday. Sunday night. Eagles, Rams, a lot of bi-weeks. Yeah, this week there's six, none next week, and then six more week 14. That's the last one. The Eagles are favored by three in Los Angeles. It's Philadelphia Eagles team led by Coach Sirianni. Hey Ty Schmidt, how's coach Shari on II doing today? You think?

Probably doing absolutely fabulous because not only are the Eagles fans going to take over LA He got to put his nutsack on every single person who's been talking shit about him on ESPN and every other Sports, you know talk show around the nation Eagles are rolling right now next to the Lions probably the hottest team in football I don't know. I don't know and with the NFC doing what it's doing right now Feels like the Eagles have everything in front of them still now the Rams still do as well that NSE West is obviously what it Is we talked about six four five five five five five five Give me the Philadelphia Eagles favorite by three on the road Sunday night football. I'm excited to see what say Juan Barclay does under the lights In light town Los Angeles. Yeah, I'm gonna to see what Saquon Barkley does under the lights in Lighttown, Los Angeles.

Yeah, I'm going to have to take the Eagles on this one as well. I love their offensive line. I know AQ spotlighted them earlier this week and showed how physical they were. Watch Saquon run the ball. Saquon expects to score every single time he touches the ball, and I love watching him. Dude, it is cool to watch him do that because there was a thought. It's too fast, too. There was a thought by a lot of people including in the Giants organization saying, run him

back, you know, we can sub him, we can get single carry. We can get guys off the street, right? Yeah, we can do it. It's like, I don't know. Hey Bruce Brown, how do you feel every day that passes watching Saquon do his thing and then everything happen over there at the Giants? I mean, you know, this was, this season was as colossal of a failure that you could possibly have.

You basically choose Danny Dimes over paying Saquon as well. And it completely blows up in your face. You don't have either one of them now. It's all eyes on the draft. Needs Chador Sanders to team up with Malik neighbors and bring back a little bit of hope here. I think Zito just told me in my ear there that they added the Saquon jump in Madden that one And I would have done that to you Hit you that boom see spread and then you think with that boom though. Yeah, you gotta get a hard outside step. Yeah, I hit you that boom So you spread and then you think with that big dumb head No, you don't I'm backwards imagine how man I would I would stand up instantly go right through your balls and check

Yeah Yeah, every hell of a play though laying on my feet it keep running touchdown If you ain't on your feet, you deserve a touchdown. Yeah. We got about a minute left here. Boys. I would like you to make the pick for this particular game. AP turn. We'll start with you. Ohio state Indiana. I took Indiana plus the 13, but I will take Ohio state to win the game. Okay. Toxic table. Ty Schmidt, uh, Ohio state, Indiana. I think Ohio State's gonna cover Okay, con man Ohio State, Indiana. I bet against a sick baby. Let him up. Give me a pack right now. I'm taking the Hoosiers No, I don't Jay Hawk, would you like to make a prediction in this game? Yeah, I'm taking the your high state but guys how much

38 10 Yeah, I'm taking the Ohio State Buckeyes. How much? 38.10. Whoa! Woohoo! I don't know if that's enough though. I don't know if that's enough. Oh my God! All right, I'll make my prediction tomorrow. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to be a part of your day today.

The fact that we're on ESPN Talking Sports every day is a dream come true. We're lucky to do it. We're very grateful. Thank you to everybody at Ohio State for making this happen. We'll see you on Overreaction Monday, game day, live tomorrow morning, 9 a.m. Be a friend, tell friends, something nice about changing life. Goodbye. I think we hit it. I think we hit it. We're here. Five seconds off or we hit it?

Boys, what do you think? For our clocks, it was five seconds off. I don't know if we have the same clocks. We don't have a delay. So I had a at 54, 55 on this particular thing, I thought there was a chance we were out. So I had an out there. And then the whole end of the day you hit both. At the 55, yeah, we'll see you tomorrow for game day 55. So that did still, you still hit that on the out. So it still sounded good if our clocks are right. But we don't know what made it on ESPN who we were actually saying goodbye to which we all

heard it here we did but we don't know yeah right yeah yeah all right boys I'll tell you what I've thought about peeing my pants about four different times to get a little bit of heat that would feel great but anytime you do that you know on the other side is just now wet pants. And it cools down. It's even colder. Yeah, you're right. It's real cold. It's uh, it's been quite an adversity little game. Big shout out to Zito and Tim for making this work. Wet, windy, cold. Literally so many different, we had wires out in the rain. We had things out in the rain. This is definitely the toughest

week that we've had here. All came together yesterday too. So the fact that you guys pulled this off without a hitch, congratulations. You guys should really be happy. It's a little adversity, that's all it is. Can you show Tim right now? Because my dad looks like the softest I've ever seen Tim look. He offered me his Kodak shoe earlier. Can you zoom in there on Tim? Tim's been doing a little dance this entire time time you guys should see Got blood on the shoes case you're wondering damn right cuz he murdered a fucking eight-point

I thought he jumped out of the tree stand and got him in the head. He could have he said. So the funny thing about where he went hunting at, they told him to bring his fucking sniper rifle, because he might need to shoot 300 to 500 yard shots. Okay, that's what they told him. Yeah, so he does., and he's in this fucking tree stand tiny little tree and he says it's just kind of weaving back and forth He said on top of it and then this eight-point buck just runs right underneath them I think that's the easiest show you've ever had in your entire life, right? That's easiest of all time because normally Tim Tim Costume in a garbage bag Your piss like you're talking about going through the woods doing the whole, he's actually stalking these deer. Like he is hunting. We're walking four mountains in for no reason. At 4am in the morning. Like that is what hunting normally is for Tim McPhee. So now he meets these guys in southern Indiana. They're like, come on down. Might need to be a 300 500 yard shot. Tim's like hell yeah. Hell yeah. I've never had to do that before. I'm excited. and then all of a sudden he's standing in a tree stand deer comes right underneath him he could have fucking march him in that's what I want to ask if you dropped an elbow on its head do you think

you would have killed it Tim that's the question if he would have had proper now Tim said this is a big deer this is a big this is a big you see so he had more of a landing space he could have anyways we're gonna be eating venison jerky at the office for that two years. Imagine the video of Tim falling out of the tree screaming and he grabs it he's got this deer in a rear naked choke and he's like hold on hold on grab his legs and he's yelling that could have happened and he's getting he comes he's all bloody the next day that's what I'm talking about that's what younger Tim would have done this is cold older Tim that this is what we're seeing here. Yeah, maybe next time they're saying you got soft Tim, not them me. Maybe next time. I don't think so Tim. He told me he was on he didn't have to use that scope. He's right on top of that. Say he couldn't use the scope. Yeah. And it's like when you look at if you have binoculars on and I

look at you with binoculars you're too close. I can't see that's how he was his gun. He right here. I'm right on top of this right on top of time Tim McAfee thought he had a little bit of an eye thing going on and A couple weeks ago a very serious conversation thought he was gonna maybe lose an eye. Oh, but it was a shooting eye So first thing I told him is like you have to get that fucking left eye Magic first one would have been left-handed. On top of him. He would have dropped it. Happy hunting season to everybody out there that is participating. I think we're in it. This weekend launches for a lot of places. Good

luck. Where I grew up, you missed school the first day for hunting. I mean, that was actually That's up in Green Bay. People would come they like when honey no was up there all they're wearing their bright you know they're orange and everything camo yeah it's a cool time man different world yeah Tim used to take us out in the fucking well you yeah you scared a deer to death huh was the deer no way to meet I'm gonna talk to Tim about that no way to meet 30 off six you're right there that fucker to death that was three mountains heart attack heart Doesn't do that. Come check my does a heart attack mess up the meat though. Does it help me bad?

No, it's even better look might take the meat up a little bit there at the end Yeah, couldn't find a deer for two hours. We're definitely hit it were Which is blood trail fell right down right down where you shot it, so you fired a weapon. I'm on mountain, mountain. Okay, I'm on top of mountain. This thing down middle mountain comes up. Obviously, Tim's excited, I'm a little boy. Give me one of these, I'll get that one back. Easy shot here too, I mean, there was no trees,

nothing, we're right at it. I'm actually pretty good shot though. I believe it. So I probably 13 years old. What am I 13 then? Probably 13 when I scared the deer to death. 13 probably. 30 out 6 which is a big one. Oh yeah. No kick. Boom. Get it there. I'm real excited. Tim's giving me just nice and smooth. Pull that trigger. Whispering yeah. no problem right on my shoulder boom right Holy shit deer disappears. Yeah Tim good kid Jack up Jack that weird Jack is this is a big moment huge

It's a bug I think it's like six point maybe six point buck or whatever out of these mountains It can't be a big buck because of how much work you got to go through to get up and down these fucking mountains So there's no way they were gonna be big luxury no way no way at all so you know so all of a sudden now now we gotta go track this thing yeah so we start tracking this thing it's rainy it's not snow so we're trying to find blood that's how you track no there's no blood two hours we're looking this whole mountain up and down the mountain up and down and then all of a sudden we come back up to get my brother who was posted up, literally almost kicked this thing. It was just in between two logs, dead.

Just right there. No exit wound, no entrance wound, nothing. Scared to death. Scared to death. Wasted no meat. So your gunshot was so loud and shocking, I guess, to this deer that he just, boom, died on the spot. Died, yeah, scared.

Lived a full life. Lived a good full life. I would like to say that that deer was gonna have a heart attack at some point. Someone's gonna scare that deer at some point. It just took you, kinda sped the process up. Boom, yeah. Terrible shot, I missed it.

I mean, it was like, you know. So there's a lot of conversation afterwards with Tim as I'm dragging this fucking thing out, you know. He's looking out, man. So how long until you found out the thing wasn't shot, but it was dead? I mean, three, four hours. I'm saying once you look at it. They're like oh here is this here's oh Here's our deer and then Tim's like let me see where you got him Yeah, you roll it over and then you have to field dress this thing

That's what I'm saying, but there's no bullet not so you knew right away Oh you probably sorry you do a little dance. They up scared this thing to death dad Well, that's how I had to frame it in my mind because there was a lot of shit being thrown my way for missing a massive Dear what's up from about 20 yards away? away you know like well it's hard to be accurate well not when you're hunting and it's like the whole purpose well i'm dragging that thing all the way out all the way out just getting shit talking to me the entire time but that's the max difference they weren't laughing when they were eating that meat bingo right eat that meat eat that meat and we were a household that ate that meat. I mean, that thing was in everything.

That thing was in. You're about to have some more. Too much. I saw that thing that Tim just got from up top is huge. His neck was, his neck was like a couple of players I'm trying to think of. What are their names? I'm gonna say. You don't know the bands?

You don't know the band's name? You don't know these players' names? I know the fight song. I know all of it. Carmen Ohio's beautiful thing. You don't know I know the fight song I know all about Carmen Ohio's beautiful thing. You'll sing they'll put their arm around you sing after victory. What is it? What's the song? It's Carmen Ohio. What is it? What's in the title song? What am I here at that? So I can maybe do it's my game Why what is it tomorrow? You don't want to play this one. You want to do the you want to do the fight song for game day So what is I go ahead? Oh come what's in Ohio?

the game day so what is the go ahead oh come what's saying oh hi oh come let's sing oh hi keep going what is it Sean come here we're Sean big Sean just do it what is it you know what the name is you know he knows Carmen Ohio what is it what is the name what it how's this thing go the band what's the fight see some of the fight song? He's talking about the fight song. Drive, drive on down the field. Drive, drive on down the field. Pin'em, Scarlet Grey. Jesus. Why don't you know anything?

Why don't you know anything? I know what he's singing in the locker room after the game. I know them all. I just don't have to stand. It's like saying, okay, you know something like, you know, do the Macarena, right? Boom, do it okay can you alright yeah can you see walk that was just dude absolutely I know I know what do you even get sturdy yeah good knees and hips for that maybe a little old toawalking but everything you just did there got thrown right back in your face

Because you could you don't know the Ohio come on now. I absolutely know them all there's like first of all There's a bunch of my absolutely know the fight song. No Carmen, Ohio Then you said that but you haven't sang it Because I want to sit here and sing a song solo. I'm not acapella. I'll go with you. Am I Gary Lavox a rascal? and sing a song solo not acapella i'll go with you who am i gary lavox rascal flats great what are we talking about here is the great pool song in the game a couple weeks ago that guy's got a buttery voice he does have a beautiful voice i would join you i would join you like i would i would be the flats you know what i mean would you be rascal no one's got rascals voice yeah no one can sing like Gare

Forever to me. I asked him though. Do you have to practice? No, he just he just shot a big old deer. I saw Must ask I think he might got right on top of that sucker started singing my way Would be to live a little longer. Not going to happen if you're around. Tim will get you. Tim's got a great shot. I can see Tim on horseback with a bow. Yeah. Yeah. Long hair. He's got a crossbow now though. So he's kind of cheating. Yeah, because in Indiana, he can't just shoot rifles everywhere because you know how flat it is. So you got to do I understand though the the why you would want to use a crossbow

Well use it for a lot of places in Indiana because it's so flat So you know like some people like the diehards? Oh, no, you need to you know, you recur whatever You don't want crossbows too easy my good. I want to be easier. Yeah, he's not doing it to be say He's a bow hunter. He's doing it because you can't use You know his gun in two weeks a year, I guess He's a bow hunter. He's doing it because he can't use gun. He's got a gun in two weeks a year, I guess Certain places certain guts. It's like that 30 out six only allowed because there's on gelation. Mmm. Oh, yeah Because that's traveling

Do have to come down. Yeah, that thing's like when people fire and fire an air like that's coming down somewhere Hopefully not in your head. Do those come down? What do you think? Where do they go? The atmosphere, the stratosphere, space. Probably comes down. But actually, no, not everything comes down. Cause if you go up and you get up in there, it's never coming back. You choose not to come down. Yeah.

If you're not Elon, you don't use your booster to get back down. Then you're stuck up there. Like that Red Bull guy that was jumping out of the thing. He was stuck up there. I think he passed out in the middle of free fall. I'm happy he came back to life. What if you woke up and you realized you were like 18,000 feet and I go, I gotta pull a

shoe. What if he was just in space? That would have been pretty cool. He wouldn't have been there for long, I guess. But all right, let's get the hell out of here. Boys, great work back there. Great work with you. Good work, man.

Good luck tomorrow. It's pretty cool. And I am happy that I stuck with the sleeveless the entire time. Hell yeah. Obviously one with the sleeveless the entire time. Hell yeah. I'll do one with the beanie. Had to do it. Our defend honor, which I still don't think that's the right way to word that. But our honor defend. No, our honor defend.

Yeah. I just saw that. How you doing, sir? Sweet switchers. OH brother. Hell yeah. All right. All right.

Let's get the fuck out of here. Z-boys at the Chop house tonight. Are you going to the Chop house tonight? I don't think I'll be there tonight. No. Yeah, you are. Did you do away from dance floor? You know I'm not a good dancer. Have to. Maybe go do the Macarena. I just taught you. You did. I never, my friend would pass me by. I was young. I don't remember. Okay. All right.

Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. Game day tomorrow, 9 a.m. It's going to be a good show. Tomorrow's a good show. Hell yeah. College football playoff discussion is going to be worth a watch. You said it was like a, you guys had an interesting production meeting.

Or like. It was awesome. Passionate. Passionate. Yeah. Everybody's very passionate, which I think is a big statement. Like ESPN obviously spent the amount of money that they spent on the college football playoffs because I truly believe that the people at ESPN feel like they care about college football more than anybody else. Absolutely. Like the people have committed their entire beings to college football. And now in this new era, they want to make sure like, hey like hey come on like we need to not forget about yeah

It's it was very I was lucky to be in there to be honest and then this guy comes in saving Yeah, it's awesome. Just here in the way. He that I when we were I Didn't hit the hole. It's amazing can't wait for tomorrow morning. I wonder if those who? Are gonna take over game day, I mean especially with this will be there Yeah captain of the old block getting everybody the stadium. There might be no buck guys. There might be only All right, be a friend tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. We're in this thing together team on me team on three one two three