The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1256 - TNF Recap, NFL Week 14 Preview/Picks, Conference Championship Previews, Nick Saban, SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey, Dion Dawkins, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: December 6, 2024

On today’s show, Pat is live from Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta where College GameDay will be at the site of the SEC Championship, while AJ Hawk and the boys are back in studio in Indianapolis. They recap last night’s electric Thursday Night Football tilt between the Packers and Lions that ultimately saw the Lions kick a game winning field goal at the end of regulation and what it means for both teams moving forward, then they make their picks for the entire NFL week 14 slate. Joining the progrum to chat about last night’s game and the coaching decisions made by Dan Campbell, as well as to look ahead at the SEC Championship and the Championship weekend slate as a whole is 7x National Champion, the GOAT, and College GameDay analyst, Nick Saban. Next, the Commissioner of the SEC, Greg Sankey joins the show to chat about the College Football Playoff, the strength of schedule in the SEC, what his normal day-to-day looks like, the changes that are soon coming to college football, and more. Later, 3x Pro Bowler, starting Left Tackle for the Buffalo Bills, Dion Dawkins joins the show to chat about how this year’s Bills team feels different, the most important traits to have as a tackle in the NFL, Josh Allen’s play, how different of a guy Mack Hollins is, and being the Bills Walter Payton Man of the Year nominee for the third time. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’ll see you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Maccabee show I'm AJ Hawke sitting in a past desk with the boys at the Thunderdome pack He's down Atlanta for the SEC Championship game, Georgia, Texas It's what's happening Pat's down in Atlanta already I don't know if the PA announcer is still going on in the background Pat, but you're looking good How is Atlanta doing and how's the how's the vibes for that game tomorrow? AJ thank you so much for driving out to Indianapolis and hosting from that particular chair. You do a fantastic job every time you have to do it. I'll have you know that we were talking about the size

and shape of your cranium this morning in the game day production meeting. And obviously it was nothing but positive things. Have you guys seen the shape of Scadaboo, the running back from Arizona State's head? Have you guys seen this thing? Huge. Never seen it without a helmet, no. No. of Scataboo the running back from Arizona State's head. Have you guys seen this thing? I've never seen it without a helmet, no.

No. Buddy, find it. We got a thumper. This guy, we're talking, hey, this thing is a. He is like the, what's it called again? He's got a natural guardian cap to him. He is built for damage. He is a... I could see why he's so impossible to tackle. Literally I saw a

photo of him and I don't give anything away but there's something coming tomorrow about him and I think it's like gonna be a piece that really identifies who this dude is. All I had to do was look at one photo. He has a buzz has a he he has a buzz cut in the photo I saw so you actually see the hair is kind of covering this thing up it is a we're talking about thump cannot wait for that so we talked about your head obviously and many other people's heads and then Matt Garrett who is I don't even know what level he's up there for

game day they have all these titles everybody has these titles everybody and I respect all of them Okay, I respect all of them and I and I'm thankful for all of them, but Matt Garrett runs program I think but then somebody else would say this person runs program and then you know, there's there's one of those He has a massive dome as well You see so but his head the shape of it is like for an executive, you know It's like the forehead is not as wide but the brain very big Very very very so it's like he has a big executive head if that makes sense you

Uh koon, john koon, uh scataboo many cam hayward, you know, uh Basically all start I assume you could just probably go through all the all the big thumpers. There is a certain dimensional frame of of of the head and If I was ever a general manager, I would add that into you know the whole who do we want on our team? Who do we not want on our team? Just that is a compliment not a Disservice to anybody there now with that being said It is awesome down here. Okay, I don't love that the back seats are red, that this is red, and that my face is in between them.

Because it is, you know, it's going to get tomatoey on my face, it looks like today. But the buzz in any of these SEC Championships, and I've been very lucky to be down here for a few of them. And you talk to all the people in the SEC. Winning the SEC, you know, SEC SPN bias aside and there's going to be a conversation from Coach Saban tomorrow about why these people love their college football so much more than maybe everywhere else in the country, not everywhere, but you know they love it. It's because there wasn't any like professional sports down here. Coach Saban was talking about this morning and these people treat it as a as an actual religion because it's been traditions that have been passed down from like

family to family to family to family. So whenever you talk about these two teams representing especially Texas coming in for the first year, Georgia winning the SEC means it is very, very important in discussion around livelihoods down here, professions, careers, you name it. It's like being the best in the SEC means something more feels like to more people down here. You know, cheapest ticket, I think in SeatGeek has the stats, cheapest ticket to get into this SEC. I think it's like a hundred and some bucks, like 140 140 for way up in the top somewhere you know It is yeah, that's that's the hottest i believe that's the average or whatever the case is

But like the cheapest one is like 140 bucks or something like that There's 20 tickets right now for the big 10 championship 35 tickets lower bowl championship And that's not just because it's texas georgia That's because like this game is very meaningful to these people. Like very, very. And everybody that talks about it treats it as such, you know, like Saban, obviously, the way he talked about this particular game versus even like national championships in like other games in the buzz.

There's just like a a a palpable buzz, they say, because it means so much. So it's like getting dropped in the middle of that as a guy who's from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania every single year is obviously awesome because all the big time sponsors throughout the entire year of the SEC are here too, you know? So like all the businesses that have been involved with college ball this year kind of come in here. So it has a heightened Superbowl type feeling business wise, but then all the fans that buy the actual tickets, like these are act they'll fill this place this place will Be 50-50. Oh, and it'll be it'll be like a you know, it'll be like an actual college football Environment it won't be like a bowl game played at another place. So I think you add all that in

I feel incredibly grateful to be here and They got the dr. Pepper practice happening back here. I don't know if we're allowed to show it I think we showed it last year. I don't know if we're allowed to show it. I think we showed it last year I don't remember the give-and-take about it. Wait, they let those guys practice Have to. I think there's like a rehearsal I think there's like a walkthrough on how we do this how the clock is where you're gonna enter the field You know how you're gonna and I think there's some I hear some Dr. Pepper Big Wigs Head Docs. 23 Flavor. I just want what's his little pep baby pep tiny pep?

What was that little pepper the little dr. Pepper guy that's saying in the commercials? Do you remember long hair like 50s? I've never I don't know. Yeah, it's a little guy Yeah, that little guy a little guy that sings dr. Pepper. Are you talking about you know, sweet little sweet? What are you talking about? What do you mean? You don't know? I don't know where are you right? I get in the voice was Justin Guarini, I believe of American What that's not his that wasn't his that wasn't little sweets boys what's wrong with him Yeah, okay

Okay, I think like an animated situation Nick Kroll What is your problem AJ? You didn't know who little sweet was I didn't know that was who that is was little sweet I thought you're talking about some animated character or something. I apologize. There's a chance I do not know for sure because I've talked to these people. I literally just walked out and looked There is a chance that the person that hired an advertising agency to come up a little sweet for them is out here on this field right here. And that is a, that's a big deal. Hey, shout out Dr. Pepper. I see some difference.

My three flavors. And a little sweet. I did forget that we're in Dr. Pepper throw season though. You know. Not so much throw. Once again, I don't think we should show it. I think there is potential. Dr. Pepper suit competitions competition's happening right now.

OK. A little team building, you think, in the executive ranks? Are you sure we can't show it? I did. Just take a quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick. Quick, quick, quick, quick. Camera, camera.

Little quick zoom, quick zoom. Little quick zoom, quick zoom. See suits, suits, balls? Oh, yeah. Oh, we're going to want the ball through. Is that little sweet no That might be big sweet is Papa Papa sweet Anyway, we would like to say thank you to dr. Pepper for being such a big part of college college ball. Are they chest passing?

So that's the big convo So I remember there was a story about the chess pass that I learned from a Dr. Pepper person at this exact game maybe one year ago. There's some story behind it that's like very, like why the chess pass started, who started it, how it... Because you don't know how to throw a football, is that why? I'm not even going to tell the story now. I assume that if I can't throw, I'm going to throw a chess pass. Yeah, but like I think there was a chance somebody couldn't maybe.

And like- Yeah, shoulder rehab or something. Yeah, maybe. Maybe something like that. Yeah, but nonetheless, there's a story behind it because it was the first thing I brought up, what you said there. First thing I go, they go, hi, blah, blah, blah from Dr. Pepper. I go, sweet, hey, we got to back that up a little bit, don't we?

Chest passes can only- Of course. And then they told me the whole story. Oh, okay. And I was like, okay, of course, of course, of course. That's it. And that just happened right here too. Yeah, exactly. What I just did, what happened with the actual people.

So obviously an asshole, but it's an honor to be here. Great game last night, AJ Hawke. And listen, you, me, Coach Pagano, get a push. Now, one half of the hammer. Time! Time! Cowboys, AP tone. We all took three, okay? Because that is what ESPN bet had it.

What was the line on that game last night at kickoff? Because AJ, I think you're sensing what I'm trying to do here. I think we should steal a win. Me, you and Chuck from last night. Last thing I saw was three and a half. Let me see what it was at kickoff. Yeah, when you guys- Maybe four. When you guys made your picks, thing I saw was three and a half let me see what it was a kickoff yet when you guys for you when you guys made your picks ESPN bet

was three every other book was at three and a half let me see if it if it moved before kickoff at ESPN bet I thought it okay we should steal that we'll take that so we got a win that was good man and congrats to the Lions pickers for them getting a push to you know so we so we win, they get a push, life is good. But if I'm a Lions fan, I have to think to myself, damn, it is awesome to be a Detroit Lions fan. Just the way they go about winning, the way they understand their situation, whenever you hear MC DC talk after the game about the defense man and how he knew what the offense

was going to have to do, but he understood the situation and the Reality of the injuries on the defensive side the way Aaron Glenn cooked up pressure on Jordan Love the way They just went about winning that game and going forward on fourth down obviously big topic of conversation That pass right there should be the big topic of conversation to be clear They did that like seven times right that same place seemingly right there to the Green Bay Packers defense And I don't know if that's just a Lion's specialty But that felt like that was happening all night long during the big plays but speaking of big plays big old Gutsack okay, that's what the G on MC DC doing what he did he goes forward on fourth down

Obviously gives up a touchdown because he's deep in his own end everybody thinks this guy's a dipshit He's not gonna be able to do it. Then when the game is tied, let's win this thing. 30-some seconds left. Fourth and a half a yard. And they call timeout, let the clock run all the way down, call timeout. Jared Goff runs over to sideline and he literally asked for a ball to throw it. So I'm like, wait is he selling that they're still going for this? Is he trying to... No way they are gonna go for this. Why would you even risk a bobbled snap?

Why would you even risk your quarterback getting tripped on way back? Why would you even do any of that? And I think it's a hundred percent because MCDC told the boys, hey, our defense can't stop Jordan Love. We kick a field goal right here, they're going to kick a field goal. We're going into overtime. If we get half a damn yard, this game is over. And the celebration by the Lions and the offensive linemen after they pick it up and the strain from Jared Goff to get the handoff, the boys knew,

the boys knew we just won the game. Offensive linemen started jumping up and down doing this one right here. It's like MC DC's got them all going in the same exact direction. They all believe in every decision that he makes. And although I don't know if they're going to be able to win all the games that they have to playing the way they did last night, especially against a Packers team that could have beat them a couple different times, I assume is what Packers fans are going to say. I'll wait to hear from your end on that whole thing. But it's like the Detroit Lions win football games and it feels like they knew this is how they were gonna have to win this one and skip puking all over the place

in the locker room afterwards. MC DC giving shout outs everywhere. It's like life is good as a Lions fan. I don't know if you're able to go with all the injuries still, like all, but the fact that they win that game, it's like well-coached, great culture, buy-in, intelligence, like everything that you need for a good team

Let alone grit AJ. So I that's my big takeaway like what a win by the line Yeah I mean people love to argue and I guess Give their opinion on what the fourth and going forward on fourth down and you what you should do what you shouldn't do with The analytics tell you I like I feel like Dan Campbell I don't you guys can let me know if I'm wrong here I sense like he kind of takes all the analytics into into the question, but he also takes in the moment He trusts his instincts and even said after the game a little bit first off

I got a sidebar Jared golf unbelievable play here He gets his foot stepped on still able to do this and not fumble ball because imagine if he does Fumble that ball and the ball goes bounce Yeah, something like that happens. What does Dan Campbell look like then? Then people have a completely different situation. If that hits buddy's elbow, knuckles, if that hits knuckles elbow and goes down, scoop and score, 11 and two or whatever, they would be calling for MC DC's head.

I mean, it would be, this guy's the dumbest. This guy, we know that they've won and everything. Everybody would be saying it, but instead his players showed up for him, which is exactly why he does what he does. And it can certainly go the other way, but for some reason when MC DC is leading the way, it always seems to go their way. Now speaking of not going their way, let's go to the toxic table. Obviously at Boston corner. Good to see you pal, you look fantastic. Good to see you too, great jacket there.

Sco, Docs, thank you, yeah. Neutral sight game, didn't get any swag. So, yeah, didn't pack good either, yeah. But, yeah, the body, if I would have taken this and had to think, the redness, I would have, my whole body would blend in with seats. Yeah, yeah, part of them, yeah. So, it's a little bit of an issue. Yeah a little bit of an issue there

but ty at ty schmidt right there next to uh, uh con man, um I heard the refs were the reason why what happened here There was a lot of comments on our instagram posts from the game last night my post this morning whenever you know, uh, We get to see mc MC DC talk about skip you can all over the place time the refs were the reason I heard is that real and what did I miss there was a push-off I guess and what was it time yeah I mean there's a lot of that going around right now which is bullshit I hate that anytime that's the first thing you lean to like you just you can't do that can't be

doing that in an NFL game obviously the refs aren't perfect you're gonna miss calls but yeah there was the the st. Brown catch that we just showed there that brought up the fourth down before the field goal. A lot of people saying he pushed off there, but then cherry picking and going back to, Oh, Jordan love, you know, getting hit in the head or the, uh, the touchdown that the Packers scored late that they took off the board for the pick by Christian Watson. A lot of people saying, Hey, the board for the pick by Christian Watson a lot of people saying hey the Lions ran the same play earlier Sam Laporta you know does a pick for Jimmy I came over for his Jamiro Gibbs or David Montgomery on a screen pass but

he gets loose and gets a first down so a lot of that kind of stuff but like I told you I mean it the Lions were four or five on fourth down it's it's as simple as that like they tried to I don't want to say they tried to give the game away, but the Packers had ample opportunities. And I think last night just kind of proved to me that Packers are good. I'm not worried about them in any stretch of the imagination. They're going to make the playoffs. I still feel very confident that they're going to win a playoff game, but I think they are still just kind of a class right below the Lions and the Eagles. A lot of people forget that this is the the old or the youngest offense in the NFL. They have a

young defense too, so I think a couple years from now we'll really see this Packers team, you know, more mature and and and see what they really can be. But every single time the Lions need to rise to the occasion, they do, Especially against the Packers this year. They've scored six touchdowns, four of those touchdowns have been on fourth down. So, you know, it's one of those things where you can blame the refs, you can point at the decision making early on. The Packers kind of slip-walked through the first two quarters of this game, which you can't do against a team like the Lions. So really, all they can kind of blame is themselves because when the Lions need a play, when they they need a big moment, they have risen to

the occasion every single time and even early on, that's all we talked about yesterday. They're so banged up, they're front seven. First play of the game they sack Jordan Love and kind of throw everything off. Matt LaFleur is so good with his you know first 15, his scripted play. Like the Lions are up 10- nothing in a blink of an eye and that kind of changes everything because then they don't get Josh Jacobs involved as much. Jordan Love has to throw. He was awful in the first half. So it's one of those things where I think you mentioned it, like the culture, the toughness, the coaching, the Lions are just really good. They're just a really good team. They're arguably the best team in the NFL. And the Packers, I have a feeling, you know, they're going

to circle this one for a long time and and kind of rue all the mistakes they made but again they're nine and four they're probably going to the playoffs so I think you take that more so than hey we kind of blew this game in Detroit when we probably should have won it. Ty I think that's a wonderful way to view it and I'm joined now ladies and gentlemen by the GOAT. Coach we were just talking about the Lions game last night. First of all, welcome home the SEC Championship. So, but anyways, before we get to that,

we're wrapping up this conversation. I don't know if you got to see the entire game last night. Motor City, Dan Campbell, the head coach of the Lions, he goes forward on fourth down all the time. It's like his thing, but his team normally gets it. Last night there was a situation he goes forward on fourth. He gives the ball to Jordan Love in like field goal range, definitely scoring position for sure. Then he goes at the very end of the game. He is in field goal range,

score is tied less than a minute left, okay? Less than a minute left right here. Fourth and inches in field goal range. They got a great kicker. He has made these kicks in this situation. 43 seconds left. Packers out of timeouts, he decides to go for it on fourth and inches, and his team picks it up for him.

And that's obviously, I think, a calling card for his team. How did you go about making the decisions? Is it a lot in the moment? Is it, do you have a preconceived idea of what you wanna do in these situations? How do you make those types of decisions? Well, I always thought if we had one yard or less, and I believe in our players, and I think Dan Campbell was showing that he believes in his players, that they're going to make

a half a yard, a yard, whatever in that situation. And I do agree with the analysis that if they kick a field goal with 43 seconds left, that Green Bay goes down the field and maybe they kick a field goal, score a touchdown. So you give them an opportunity to win the game you know I always felt like if you can win the game on offense do it if you can win the game on offense you know third and five and you got to throw it at the end of the game to make a first down to keep the ball so the other team doesn't get it back yep because most of the games that I played conservative then when I first became a

head coach, we always lost given the other team a chance. Cuz we were conservative, we're gonna give them the ball and stop them on defense. Make the right decision though, we're gonna run the ball in the middle for two yards. They're gonna use their timeout, we're gonna do this, and then we're gonna punt, and we're gonna give them a minute ten with no timeouts left. That's by a book, you can cover your ass and say, that's the right decision. We wasted their timeouts, we're going to give them a minute 10 with no timeouts left. By a book you can cover your ass and say that's the right decision. We wasted their timeouts, we did that whole thing.

But if your team can end the game. End it. If you get a first down, and a lot of people don't know this, obviously this was different, but if you get a first down with the other team with no timeouts, two minute warning or lower, game over. Game over. That is kneel out, game time. So a lot of those decisions made around then are obviously.

But I think fundamental execution is important and I love Jared Goff. But his footwork coming out from under the sand there. I mean, everybody says he made a great play, but with better footwork, he wouldn't have to. Jared Goff has been unbelievable. I love the guy. And I like that he put himself maybe in a situation strained a little bit. Let's make it a little bit more exciting for the people.

Have you, speaking of exciting for the people, do you know their head coach at all, Dan Campbell? I don't, but we have what, four or five players on that team. So I watch that team a lot because I really try to pay attention to our guys in the NFL. People always ask me what team you like. I like the team that our guys play on and see how they're doing. Arnold big dog for them up there too.

I mean, what an absolute beast quickly for them. The way he goes about getting his team to follow a message, he's like 275, 282, absolutely yoked and jacked. But you can tell he's like a teacher. I think that's like a big quality. Doesn't matter how you deliver the message, but if you want to teach and lead, I think it gets home with players. Being who you are matters more, I think,'s like a big quality doesn't matter how you deliver the message But if you want to teach and lead I think it gets home with players being who you are matters more I think than anything else and he got murdered for it early in his opening press conference

He said he was gonna not kneecaps then he were like he cried during the first win like he showed emotion and every metaphor he gave was just like one that looks like Or sounds like it's from a guy who smokes How many boys you think two packs a day? Two, three, four on three days. Maybe three packs a day. Marlboro Reds. He got murdered by a lot of, yeah, the heavy ones.

That's right. And he's got America's best too, I think. Oh yeah. He's got America's best. Oh yeah. He's got, you know, the old school America's best back in the day. He does all that, so he got murdered, but his team's kind of stuck with him. Do you think coaches, obviously they can. Why do you think coaches can come in all different

forms? Well but I like the way Dan Campbell comes across you know first of all it's tough, builds toughness in his team which I think is very important in terms of your culture but you mentioned something and he's a teacher and you know there's there's three different things that I always talked about in teaching. You're going to teach a guy what to do, can you teach him how to do it with good teaching progression? And then if the guy can understand why it's important to do it that way, he's going to have a much better buy in to doing it the way you want him to do it.

And I think good teachers do that and I think there's a lot of coaches out there that just tell guys They think their job is tell them what to do They don't really tell them how to do it or they don't even tell them why it's important to do it that way But when you can tell a guy this footwork will help you play better in Guarding a guy or covering a guy or whatever it is and if you offhand jam them that'll help you play better if you use This footwork as an offensive lineman You're gonna have a better chance to be successful, you know on the zone play I think that's what the Detroit Lions do very very well

They got good players, but they do a really good job of coaching them. Yeah great coaching especially on that defensive side AJ How about Aaron Glenn Kelvin Shepherd and the boys did you hear the? The report coming out of halftime. I think for a Kaylee Hartzung said that Kelvin Shepard former teammate of my dog by the way be loved you're talking about an energy guy be loved happy he's in coaching I guess he was chewing out the linebackers on the field I don't want to see one more missed assignment not one more and it's like obviously they give up a bunch of points on the other side but they were coaching their asses off up there in Detroit to get these wins AJ. Yeah, that's all I would want to ask coach that how do you find like a balance

say you're a defensive coach defensive coordinator like the fine balance to where yes we have enough in this game plan we can come after and we can blitz and we have enough coverages but also I don't want to overload my guys I want them to play free play fast because we know the best defenses are always running fast and kind of playing on instincts. And also a couple guys just signed this week on the defense side. Like they just signed them like three days ago, four days ago. Yeah, well we had that once when I was in Cleveland with Bill Belichick at the Browns.

We have no, we're going to play the Houston Oilers and they're running a run and shoot with Warren Muna quarterback and we have to pick up two corners off the street. So we had like three or four defensive calls, two coverages, one pressure, one blitz, that was it. Now, we went and executed well enough to have a chance to win the game. But I think it's all relative to what your players can handle. But my theory as a coach was I was always a whole part whole coach. In other words, I wanted to throw as much shit on the wall as I could throw on and see

what stuck. Then what didn't stick, put it back in the bucket and throw it up there again until it all stuck. So I really wanted our players to have a capacity, a capacity. Whole part. Oh, and you think that's it? Whole. That's right. The whole bucket of shit's got to end up on the wall.

Learn it! This is what we're doing! But I think what that does, AJ, to your point, is your players have capacity to A-adjust, and they also have a better capacity to handle more multiples of things without screwing it up if that makes sense absolutely when you teach simplicity Then people become simple-minded and then they can't adjust and they can't do multiple things without making mistakes And I always I used to put we used to put so much stuff in like in fall camp And guys looking at me like why we putting this in well We'll put in and see if you can learn it we might not use it till the ninth game of the season but we're going to put it in today anyway. So, but I wanted to develop that in the players and I think that's probably

what you know Aaron Glenn's trying to get across to his guys. Now when you pick up some guys off the street and they got to be out there playing they didn't have the opportunity to go through that you better simplify it for them. What was that and it seemed like they weren't they were bringing pressure they were they were sending it hey Aaron Glenn was sending it last night obviously that stat that NFL plus premium NFL pro gave yesterday was the Lions how much they were blitzing and adding a person to pressure and then how Jordan Love has done against it against them in the past Jordan Love was not good against pressure in the past.

I felt like they brought a lot last night, but that could be because they were on fourth, fifth stringers. Who was that D Tackle, 95? Was that his number, 95? Who was that, Foxy? I don't even know. I actually don't even know. I didn't know half the people on that defense.

95 might have been the, started with an N, Ty, that guy we were talking about. But that's why it was just so unbelievable last night. There were some players there making plays. I'm like, holy hell, and how about Tim Patrick? Congrats to him. Unreal. Awesome. Game ball. 95 is listed as Pat O'Connor for the Lions roster.

Yeah, there it is. Good beard, good beard. Anyways, it was- But the thing that allows them to do that, first of all, the Lions play a lot of man-to-man. All right, so if you're playing man-to-man and your guys can cover their guys, you can pressure more because I've always, you always heard me say this, the corners put the limitations on your defense. So they play a lot of man-to-man, so they might as well pressure and take up some of the slack for some of the personnel they're missing up front in the front

seven because they're playing man-to-man anyway even when they rush for guys so um I think that's the key to their success that the back end can hold up and they can pressure people Aaron Glenn great ball coach he's he's they're both gone huh Foxy they're both gone yeah they're both gone I mean you could argue that Aaron Glenn's the best defensive coordinator league you could argue that Ben Johnson's the best offensive coordinator league, you could argue that Ben Johnson is the best offensive coordinator league, and you could argue that MCDC is the best head coach in the league. Hold on, Zito, Gumpi told me in the plane this morning that Chicago fans are already saying maybe no to Ben Johnson. Is that true? Yesterday, I believe some of the Albert Breer,

he was saying that there's a lot of things that the Bears has to do. Stipulations? Yes, yeah Yeah and Bears fans did not like that What do you say? He said directly to the Bears. Oh, it was what Albert Breer was reporting I don't know exactly who dumpy. Does your Mike work? What did you say? Gumpy? Yeah I was just the report that Albert Breer said basically Ben Johnson wants this and that where he's gonna be a head coach because he's already Turned down places before. Yeah, he said he's not a bears took that personally What is he saying?

Well, that's Chicago. Chicago, they're fickle when it comes to football, rightfully so based on their past. But they just said more so like Ben Johnson, if he's interviewing somewhere, he's taking that job, which I mean, obviously, it would be the case in any interview. But that's why Bears fans are like, oh, you think that we're

going to just interview you and automatically you get the job that's not how this okay respect respect it is a good job Chicago is a beautiful city that fan base would go absolutely bonkers if they were great but what's happening up in Detroit is a thing of beauty and we'll continue that speaking of a thing of beauty hey SEC Championship now I should have done this research so this is on me I won't let you know can I say something before we get into this? Sure. So Having interviewed for a few NFL head coaching jobs in the past, okay, and I know you guys think that

Chicago's a beautiful city and all that But if you take a job You don't have a roster You got to look at the roster. You gotta look at the salary cap. You gotta look at the quarterback situation, which the Bears have a good one. But I'm saying you have to take all those things into consideration because if you don't, you can end up in a no-win situation. Like, I took the Miami Dolphins job, we were $17 million over the cap, which was a lot back in those days, this was 20 years ago. We had the oldest team in the league, they're 4-12, got no quarterback, and I'm thinking

I'm gonna make it right. Well, you know, we had a winning season first year, but we couldn't get it turned around. But there were so many obstacles, and no draft picks because they gave them all away for Ricky Williams. So if you don't do your research and taking an NFL job is my point. I understand. Regardless of how pretty the city is. Did you know that going in coach?

Miami is beautiful. Miami. We still love you in Miami. We still love you. It was fantastic. What'd you say AJ? I'm sorry. I was gonna say, how much of that, I guess, know going into that job?

Because you're right, everything has to be in place if you want a chance to be successful as a head coach. Yeah, I knew it, I just had a bad case of the dumb ass, that's all. We all get a case of that, often too many times some of us. No, Wayne Huizinga was a great owner and I thought this was a really good organization and I thought we could get it fixed and we got it moving in the right direction but not being able to overcome the quarterback thing was the issue. Yeah and then obviously you go back to college, Alabama and you just do your thing.

Now granted that's for coaches who have options. Like Ben Johnson is going to have options. So there's other coaches that are like I'm getting a job, I'm in. You know and there's obviously a different are like, I'm getting a job, I'm in. And there's obviously a different structure to how those deals go versus how Ben Johnson can get at this point. That's any negotiation for anything ever.

Now with that being said, you go back to Alabama, go back to college, come to Alabama, and obviously the rest is history. Greatest of all time. You walked on this field here, it looked like you were hovering. Felt like you obviously knew this place well. Everybody that's around here is associated

with either Georgia, Texas, or the SEC and their advertisers. As soon as you walked in here, literally every person's neck snapped to watch you do this. You are obviously viewed as a icon in all of college football, but certainly in the SEC. Why is the SEC Championship so important? Because you talked about that this morning. And do you have any memories whenever you walk into this environment that pop up front of mind?

Yeah, I have lots of memories. I think we played here, I don't know, 11 or 12 times in SEC Championship games. But, you know, we played Florida. They were one, we were two. The next year we played them, we were one, they were two. The next year we played them, we were one, they were two. So those 2008, 2009 games, they were all great. But I think the SEC Championship game is one of the most outstanding competitive venues in the country.

And I think it's because the passion that people in the Southeast have for football. And I think that comes from the fact that there were no pro sports in the south until the 1970s. You know when Atlanta came in, Miami Dolphins came in, then later in the 80s the Saints come in. Alright so everybody in the southeast grew up being a college football fan. That's not necessarily true up north. You know where you... There are some places yes of course, but not everywhere.

Not everywhere. Here it's everywhere, Sidney. Everywhere. And I think that that's what makes the Southeast people have so much passion for the game. And I think that's what makes the conference what it is. And those outstanding stadiums and those outstanding fan bases and that great passion makes people want to play in this league Which makes this game a great game and This is a there's always great competition in this game. Just like there's going to be between Georgia and Texas and

You know we had some great games here and sometimes the games here were actually harder than the national championship game Why is that? Yeah, why is that? You said that, I think you mentioned that earlier. Well, we played Georgia. I think we were one and they were three. And the year we played Notre Dame in the national championship, which I think was 12. And I mean, it's the last play of the game.

They got the ball on the seven yard line. We tackled the guy and the clock runs out. And it's 28, 24 or something like that. And then, you you know we go play Notre Dame is 28 nothing halftime. I mean so It was always a tough game. It was a playoff game here. Yeah, you know the environment creates it obviously the pressure of the Towns in which your teams represent having the history and the tradition that they have and tie It's like a lot of these places obviously obviously a hundred some thousand and they build them and get bigger. They have like the season ticket waiting lists for like the Green Bay Packers have and shit.

It's like families trying to get more members of family into stadium to do more traditions. And I think that is why it is different down here because they're all in. That professional football thing is very real. So any football person in the South, which is damn near every person in the south just had to pledge their allegiance basically to the school they went or the school that is closest to them and boy it has created some phenomenal traditions like down there at LSU you know what I'm talking about and then here you know uh here obviously Texas has great passion tradition brand new to the SEC. How would you feel if a big 12 team comes into the SEC and wins the SEC Championship in its first year?

Would there be some thoughts from SEC people about that or is that just showcasing that Sankey brought a powerhouse into the SEC when conference realignment happened? Well, but I think Texas, because of Sark, was really built like an SEC team. You know, they're a big physical team, they play good defense. He's a great coach offensively, great play caller. But their team was built like an SEC team. SEC teams have great size and are physical and playing physical in this league means something.

And Georgia's got a physical team as well and it showed up in the first game. That's why they were able to win the game I think is they were the more physical team. So you know the other thing that I would like to point out that's a little bit off the subject here is great high school football in Texas, great high school football in the southeast because you know when I grew up and I don't know how it was for you in Pittsburgh, but the last guy in town turned the lights out when we had a game on Friday night. Everybody went to the game. So the school was the center of the community for everybody.

So it was important to play. And you know, that's kind of transcended all over the southeast for many, many years. And there's a lot of these schools that the community still supports, you know, the school and the program. And there's great passion for high school football, which enhances the number of guys you have to recruit. And that enhances the league. And a lot of these guys that have been recruited down in the south want to represent for the

school that they grew up around or grew up in the same state as. That's a big deal down here for these guys. And 12 months of warm weather, AJ. That helps with a lot. That helps with a lot. Not everybody, obviously there's cold weather in some of those states that are a little bit more north, but there's certainly more warm days in the South

than there is in Pittsburgh or West Virginia or Ohio. That emphasis on high school football is a good one, I didn't even think about, because those Texas stories, about those stadiums down there in Texas, and then obviously we watch all the movies, varsity blues, Friday night lights, and all that stuff. It is, football is a beautiful sport.

Let's talk about this game that's happening here. You said the first game you think was potentially more who out physicaled who outcome. Georgia did that to Texas in Texas It was a big smear on Texas's campaign because their only good team they played they lost to at home is just George Bulldogs Right and Georgia will lose a game or two and then now the conversation is Can Georgia still beat this Texas fresh off of what Texas just did to Texas A&M? What are your thoughts on these two teams? Are they different than when they were the last time and how do you see it going?

Well I think actually Texas just watching them progress through the year. First of all when they played Georgia the first time, quarterbacks coming off an injury, hadn't played for a couple weeks, got rattled in the game early because of Georgia's defense and their pressures especially on third down. Five sacks, I think. Right. And Georgia has played a little better, but struggled against Georgia Tech defensively, but totally different kind of offense. You know, Kirby is always gonna do,

just like I was the same way, kind of NFL coach. So when you play an NFL type quarterback, we had lots of pressures, lots of things to mess them up, lots of disguises. When you play a running quarterback, a lot of that stuff's out the window yep all right so and that's what they're going to play when they play Texas because of viewers but I do think the one thing that's important in this game is first and second down everybody's going to talk about third

down but your ability to run the ball and control the line of scrimmage and stay out of bad third down situations where they can do all these pressures, which you see right here, which is the first third down of the game, which is a corner blitz playing two trap and sack fumble puts Georgia ahead in the game right off the bat. So who can help their quarterback play better by staying in better down and distance situations where you don't put a lot of pressure on the guy. On schedule. On schedule.

Yeah. Because at the end of the day it will come down to which one of these guys plays the best in the game in my opinion. The offensive line for Georgia has gotten better throughout the year. Right. I think there's going to be some film on that tomorrow. I'm excited for that. Frazier coming in as the running back and although UTN great. Frazier has been able, you know, he had a couple

massive scores for him last week against Georgia Tech and the whole thing. And then Carson Beck. What are your thoughts on Carson Beck? He was at one point what? QB, he was, what were they saying before the season about him? About one or two? Yeah. Top? Yeah. Him and Quinn, right? These two, which makes sense I guess here. Yeah, well I think Carson Beck is two which makes sense. I guess here. Yeah Well, I think Carson Beck is a really good quarterback. You've heard me say this a hundred times before The players around you have to play. Well, he's had a lot of drops. He forced some balls probably Receivers don't separate quite as well as they did a year ago when he had some better guys mismatch guys

So he's had a little more to overcome, but I think he's had an opportunity also to prove that he can do it if he doesn't have better players around him. So that maybe he didn't do as well as he could. But I do think when he hasn't turned the ball over, George has lost four times. Every time they've lost in the last however many years, they lost four games. They've lost a turnover battle and This year how many turnovers they have against Alabama how many day I have against Ole Miss I mean, it's the same thing so taking care of the ball is really important So if you can win first and second down you don't put as much pressure on the quarterback on third down to take care of

The ball. Okay, so the name of the game is turnovers says Nick Saban, which is so often the case but in this one even more specifically I love tomorrow's game. This is a good matchup. It's a good matchup and I tell you I always thought it was hard to beat a good team two times in the season. So psychologically you know revenge should revenge should not be a factor, but it is. Yeah, you felt it before. I mean, everybody has. Yeah, when you're Texas, you felt the loss to Georgia in your home.

Right. And you've heard about it all year. And then the psychological component of Georgia, how do they get up to win the rematch? What's your message? We showed an old Muhammad Ali, everybody said he couldn't win the rematch in one of his fights. I can't even remember which fight it was, but I was always looking for examples. Something.

That's like Dan Lanning. Have you seen Dan Lanning's stuff? Oh yeah. They put those videos out on social media I'll be excited to see what this week's mantra is But he'll run some video up on the screen and then that'll be the team's mantra for the week Normally these teams have these mantras for like entire seasons, right? Like the gladiator thumbs down thing that would be like a whole season for some teams like this year

We're gladiators. it's thumbs down every single like every workout they probably have shirts thumbs down kill kill right I was one week and then the next one was inglorious bastards it's like we're hammering heads it's like okay and then I can't wait to see it's like every week he's motivating that you were that style were you that style a guy pop culture that type of things I really wanted to have a message for the season. Okay, what we're doing for the season and keep going back to that. But every week trying to have a new spin. You know, so it's kind of a combination of the two things that you're describing. So we want... Which was really challenging.

Yeah, how many years did you coach? Yeah, 50 so many dog so many times he had to speak and say we need to be tough smart and Win basically, but how you get that message out you got a fine. That's like did you see hard knocks? Sure knocks at all. Yeah, you see Mike Tom this week? It was on Tuesday. No, I didn't see it. Not this week. It is.

I mean, I would say we would have done that to you. Do we have any uncut footage of like your team meetings and stuff? I think they did a Hard Knocks way back. You know, maybe way back in 2009 or 2010 on us. They're like a 60 minutes. Yeah, but did you cut them off? Did you say you can't put that shit out there?

Do we get the real stuff? I think you got some of the real stuff. Okay Okay, I'm gonna go find that tone has a question for you back in Indy Yeah, I do coach obviously, you know Penn State is a good team James Franklin is a good coach But we all know the numbers they have struggled against top ten and top five teams I think it's like one and thirteen verse top five or in 3 and 18 verse top 10 or whatever those numbers are They're not good. Why do you think that is because you know, obviously they have the talent they have the guys they have the coaching But they just can't seem to get over the hump in these big games Well

So they are a physical team and I'll give them that and in the old days When I say old days, I'm talking about 20 25 years ago There was a you know, whoever could run the ball for the men the most yards in a game usually one It's not true anymore. No, no, you know because the game has is not wad ball anymore. It's spread and Now it becomes more about speed kills. So if you look at Oregon, the speed that they have, what they're able to do with it in terms of the wide receivers they have, the good quarterback that they have, and even though Penn State's a really good football team and they can run the ball and they've got two

really good run-of-backs, other than the tight end, they don't really have a lot of guys that can make explosive plays. And explosive plays have become the second indicator of winning and losing. How many explosive plays, you know, turnover ratio is number one, but explosive play ratio is number two. So, teams like Oregon just make a lot of explosive plays. And that is hard to overcome. You know what we have found out? And I'm going to talk about this tomorrow. This or you talk about physical and to win football games,

you have to be physical. We have a Ram truck. You hear that? We dropped an ad right into a microphone. Ram truck. We have a Ram truck segment where we highlight big-time hits in college football. Have to be legal though. We're not promoting dirty shots, but just good. Oregon is nominated every week. We've done it two times. I think this is D3 ball all the way through D1 football. We have

a lot of people sending in big time hits from all over the place. Oregon is in every single week. There's at least one or two, like this one right here, this was this week's, the duck truck 2.0 and it was the running back hitting somebody. Then, Ouyangalala on the defensive side would hit somebody. They are like a violent football team.

That is what I learned. Hey, Tone, is that what you've learned from this Ram truck segment too, with going through all the people that are nominated? It's like every week. It was Oregon tone every every single week. It was it was winning tenet running back it was Running back we saw this week And then you said we're gonna lay and then the D end who was out with the injury cameras name off top of my head He was in there a few times. They were to safety in there organ. Yeah, they fly around and they hit they hit

Yeah, they're physical team. I think that's what Dan has brought to them. They used to just be a skill fast. Flash. Now they have the skill in the fast flash, but they also are physical. It's two defensive ends, they got a really good, I tell you what, James Kidd, the running back, number 20, I mean he runs behind his pads,

he gets positive yards after contact. I like Oregon, but I would say Oregon's team is more like my Ferrari than your Ram truck. No, no. They got Teflon on the front of that. They're running people over. Their mentalities have been amazing. How many Ferraris do you have? Just one at the present time.

No, no. That's not true. I used to have two, but I only have one now. No, no, no. Don't you sell them? Yeah, well we have a dealership. So, are all of those cars yours? We don't think that.

No, I don't think that way. Unless I buy one. That's very nice of you to give back your business. Coach, if you want us to promote that, we'll drive them around up here for a little bit we need we need that tire insurance that wheel insurance you need insurance for everything on those a lot of people that will be able to hit the Ferrari market too you know we'll be able to get the people that are buying. Oh yeah. That demo.

Yeah, that is our demo. That Big Ten Championship's gonna be a good one, brother. We're gonna be there. I can't wait to get in there. Ticket, you get in there. We talked about this a little differently earlier. You know what you said about down here? Yeah.

I think it's like 25 bucks to get in or something like that. Yikes. 140 or something like that to get up there for the SEC. We're not happy about an Indy. We don't like that that's happening. We just want to let everybody know that Lucas Ole Stadium is going to be a lighthouse for that big time game. That place is going to go bonkers and it's going to be a great football game just like this one is. Speaking of great, the great Boston Connor has a question for you coach. Yeah coach, also speaking of great, Bill Belichick has interviewed for the UNC job. Obviously you guys are good personal friends and Bill has never coached in college.

Do you have any conversations with him about this type of possibility? And do you think that he really will maybe take the leap to back to college to do this just because of how the game in college has become a little bit more like the pros with everyone being paid and everything? First of all, Bill's an outstanding coach. He's very well organized. He's a good teacher. I think he relates well with the players. So I think he would do a great job in college.

The only thing that would be different is recruiting. But as you say, relationship building is not as important, not that Bill wouldn't be good at that, is not as important now that you pay players. I think it becomes a little bit more about the money and the deal that you make with them. So it is a little bit more like pro football. So and I think Bill knows how to manage that and would do a good job. So it doesn't surprise me when you have a coach of his caliber, quality,

consistency and success for a lot of years that it wouldn't be somebody that people would consider. Do you think he could two-step like you in a recruiting visit or no? I can't answer that. I've never I can't give you a scouting report on his two-step. You can two-step though. I've seen it. I've been in the room where it happens to boys. I've been up there in the recruiting room where it happens. Fantastic. Where he fantastic doing is yeah where he's doing the entire yeah Him miss Terry saw it on the blind side Yeah, we saw it when he sat down in the living room

Got a little bit of this little bit of this hey, how about this one? Whoa, and we'll take it back, but when I grew up in West Virginia Uh-huh, you know we had one movie theater one movie a month up in West Virginia. You know, we had one movie theater, one movie a month. You had the river you could go to, and they took the fire trucks out of the volunteer fire department every other Saturday night. So if you couldn't dance, you could not get a date. It was imperative that you learn how to dance, or you had no chance. I'll tell you what, Miss Terry saw those moves. She was like I tell you what Look at that one two two one one two. I saw you working up there That was awesome in those videos hit the internet because obviously nobody thinks that Nick Saban is a dancer

He's got rhythm dudes got rhythm out here. It is a phenomenal thing AJ. You think Ryan Day's dancing I think yeah, how do you think Ryan? I do not I'd like to ask coach about that. Yeah, Ohio State Buckeyes obviously tough loss at home. I was there in the stadium, disappointed, frustrated and lost for them. But what do you do if you're Ryan Day? What do you say to your team? Everything is still out in front of them.

They can still have a chance hopefully to go win a national championship. It's kind of a unique situation that hasn't come up before really. But what do you tell your team? situation that hasn't come up before really, but what do you tell your team? Well, I think it's imperative to Challenge them to respond. I mean they obviously lost a tough game No doubt about it a game that means a lot to a lot of people but I Would say look guys. Let's learn from the mistakes that we made in this game I because we have a really good football team and we got a chance to win a national championship here

So let's go start doing the things we need to do on a consistent basis to be able to do that. You know, I thought Ohio State played really free and easy against Indiana. I thought not so much against Michigan. And I don't know exactly why that is. Free and easy confidence, you mean? Confidence. Yeah, yeah. You got to have conviction in whatever you're trying to do but you

also got to be confident in doing it and then you gotta trust and believe in it that you're going to go out there and be able to execute it no matter who you play it's about what you do it's not about what the other team does and as long as you can stay focused on that i think you can go play without a bunch of anxiety because you're confident in being able to do what you're supposed to do it's like this guy misses two field goals. I mean, he wouldn't miss those two field goals normally. So, but hey, I think they got a good team.

I think they got a good opportunity. I think they got to get off the negative BS that they're probably getting criticized for for losing this game and use that as a stepping stone to be able to improve so that they have a chance to win the championship. That Jack Sawyer fellow, I hope he wins the national championship. I do. It is all in front of him. This happened a few years back, whenever Michigan won the Big Ten championship.

Then Ohio State got in as the fourth team and they had Georgia here. Right here. They had Georgia right here. AJ, remember your van got the windows bashed in. You remember that? Yeah, we had a few cars, multiple cars surrounding me in that same parking lot got bashed in as well. Yeah. Okay, so a targeted attack on your windows and everybody else's while we were down here.

That's one of the memorable things from that week. The other one was that Ohio State missed a 51 yarder I think it was they beat Georgia that year and then they would have won on and it would have been a rematch it's like and then if they don't win the national championship like Ryan Day's life which is a crazy thing to think about but I guess that's what college football coaches sign up for that's what you sign up for like how do you feel about coach DeBoer he's in college football playoff right now, 12 team.

People are pissed that other teams are left out. This team's put in, yada, yada, yada. Big conversation around that, big conversation. ACC conversation, also big conversation around the SEC. Alabama gets the spot over, insert team here, four of them. Now, Clemson beats SMU in the ACC Championship. Alabama still has a chance to not be in the college football playoff if SMU was to take their spot

and Clemson gets the ACC Championship first round by. What are your thoughts on the entire situation? Have you talked to anybody at Alabama about your thoughts? And how would you play it out if you were Cailin D'Avore? Well, I think first of all, whether you're Ryan Day, Cailin D'Avore, whoever you are, and even when I was involved in coaching in these games, and hey, we lost some games that we got criticized for and rightfully so, but I was always our best critic. In other words, I wasn't worried about what everybody else said or what everybody thought

or what was in the press about how we played or what we should have done or shouldn't have done. I put more pressure on myself to do a good job and to put pressure on the other team by what we did. And I was not ever focused on what everybody said, thought, or what was on the internet or what Paul Feinbaum thought. I never was concerned about any of those things. And I never took any of it personal, because it does affect your focus and your judgment

and your decision making when you get involved in all that stuff. So that would be my first coaching point to both those guys. And secondly, I do think that strength of schedule and what teams did you beat? How many good teams did you beat? I think that speaks volumes about what kind of team you're capable of being. And I think there's a lot of ups and downs in college football. Probably the system has created that to some degree It's more difficult to be consistent. Yep, but I don't think we want to do anything in this playoff situation

That's going to enhance people not to play a tough schedule. I Think we want people to play a tough schedule good games. We want good games. People want to see good games. This year was awesome. There's top five games all over. All over the place. Well, you want people to play in those games and you want them to schedule some tough non-conference games. So, I think, I don't think we want to enhance people that won 10 or 11 games and didn't

play one top 25 team or didn't beat one top 25 team. Yeah, but your bias You know your bias SEC bias II, you know, nobody will I don't nobody will listen to what you said though about like we would like teams to schedule difficult games because that's good for fans And good for college football exactly if you're punishing them at the end of the year ADS are smart. They're not gonna because the college football do it better Yeah it's just a fascinating time and obviously this year sets precedent for next year and how the first round ends up being and how the tournament goes will certainly be a big

part of the conversation. The only conversation I know that happens around these parts is that Nick Saban, you're the goat brother. Thank you so much for stopping by coach. Thank you Pat. First hour. It's not been around a long time. It's awesome.

Thank you for doing that. I feel like we interrupted something in your schedule for sure. Not really. I'd rather be here with you than any place else you know that. Oh, hey, that's that recruiting. You hear that two step just happened? Incredible. All right.

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Thank God for that way. Great to see you, sir. There's a lot of people. I just met a CEO of Dr. Pepper Tim Koford good guy. Tell him to make good decisions Good, so I guess last year there was a situation. He just reminded me of this I forgot all about this there was a situation where there was a miscount and the wrong person was awarded the win and then Immediately after finding out remember dr. Pepper gave the hundred thousand dollar whatever the check was to both people immediately like like in the moment as a Couldn't even imagine how bureaucratic that company is with how big it is It's obviously publicly traded and been purchased and everything.

So for them just in the moment to be like, no, we'll award both people, I think he reminded me of that situation and I guess we talked good about that. I just- We did. I remember that moment, yeah. And that's exactly what you said is

in the moment they knew to give both those people money, that was a cool move. Yeah, big companies don't operate like that. Like people need to know that. Like giving away money, like people don't usually you get canceled and then you have to come back and be like oh yeah we're gonna make this right about a couple days later. Bingo full-on so trying because there's always people that have to ask bang bang bang bang bang like hey I

think we should do this somebody has a good idea in one of these companies and I don't know how Dr. Pepper is I guess I shouldn't judge him I'm just gonna say every other business that is seemingly aligned and structured the way theirs is, this is just outside looking in. Somebody has a good idea, then they send it up, this person likes the idea, yeah, let me add my thoughts, likes it, and then it gets to some person,

they're like, I'll be the bad guy, no, we're not giving away $100,000, how about that? And that's like how it kinda normally works out. That's why the field goal kicking contest like from the very beginning It's like has to be my money because like would like kicker to feel pressure Actual pressure so in the moment like looking in the guys eyes and being like, you know what actually 400,000 bucks just to see if they react no business is gonna sign on for that None ever that is never gonna be the case. So so them doing that I do remember having massive respect for that

dr. Pepper shout out and I told him also a little sweet hey little sweet pretty sweet you know I made a little pretty sweet maybe we had in a tag team partner now you say you want you want a little sweet back and I said and then I say I also found out a little sweet doesn't do the singing he goes well and I said can't have that much moxie and be able to say I get it I guess so We'll see if little sweet kind of comes back from all this I hope so Nick Saban's got to go film film room. I think also because both these guys are his coaches I assume there's some sort of hey, how you doing nice connection? He has good connection with all these people So he has a busy day for sure and we just kept him for 40 minutes or so, no big deal.

I assume there's so many business opportunities here for Nick Saban if he wanted them. All these companies being here, all the big sponsors of the SEC, when he walked in here they all just stopped and were like, holy fuck, it's real. That's really like- He's the godfather of the SEC. 12, he said, Connor, is that what he said? Yeah, 12 or 13, that is nuts to think about how long and how great you have to be and it does make sense going back to what we've talked about

with him where it's like yeah we won the national championship we win an SEC championship you enjoy it for a cup of coffee and then you're back out on the road getting the next team ready to go win an SEC championship. I also like the fact that he wins the national championship and somebody at the grocery store who's a big Alabama fan says, need the SEC next year, right? Need to win. Yeah. Didn't win everything, did you? Yeah.

Did you win the Southeastern Conference though? That's what we are kind of wondering about. Ty, obviously conversation of the day is that the Green Bay Packers are one year away. Is that what your big takeaway is from last night? Yeah, I think so. I think so. I mean, again, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually went and like beat the Lions in the playoffs if they were to play them again Because I think it's hard to beat a team three times in one year

But yeah, just you know too many mistakes too many young guys one more year I think and because they do I mean if they actually play a complete game I think they're gonna be tough. They're gonna be a tough out for anybody. But they played two good quarters last night. Too often they just kinda for whatever reason are prepared to play. And you could tell last night the Lions were ready to go from the jump. So until they get to that point, because Jordan Love has kinda looked a little bit better, but again in the first half last night he was atrocious.

And then in the second half it was like, okay, yeah, this is the guy that we're paying 55 million dollars a year for you Like tell you like Matt LaFleur going at the one of the guys holding the flag pregame I mean, yeah, if the guys talking shit to him, I like him bumping his gums back. Why not? He said the guy was talking to his players. They can't have it. Yeah. Yeah, it's bullshit, man I thought it was Packers by a million there. Yeah, whenever I saw this happening I was like and the players getting up and ready to fight for him as well And I like that the rivalries are having a little bit of sauce

Even if you go back to last week feels like football is getting a little bit of a hard edge back We need to make sure we're doing it smart But I do appreciate that the Lions fans Let the Packers know that this is a real rivalry and it's our time and I like that the hand handsome the floor So get this guy hell off the field field what are we talking about he was gonna fight this guy he was gonna fight this guy and that's why we love it speaking of things that we love ladies and gentlemen friend of the program has joined us the commissioner of the SEC Greg Sankey. I hear him I want to go back to the

flag planting issue from last weekend okay I, please I saw that on social media I'm like that's a new twist on flag planting. So cuz I'm down there to hold the flag Like we've invented new ways to cause me problems. It is interesting the flag in general. I started become something. Okay, we'll start there That was a massive talking point now I'd like to argue from a player's perspective, and I'm sure you've heard this, the conversation around this modern era of college football is that because of the transfer portal and because of the money, kids don't care anymore. Kids aren't invested, they don't have as much passion or loyalty to teams.

So I appreciate the fact that there were some teams that saw their field getting disrespected and said we got to do something about it. Now, with that being said, it can't be every game. It's not great for anybody to have those pictures be what people who don't watch college football see of college football and think that these meatheads can't control themselves. They do this entire thing. I think there is a silver lining in it, but I don't think it can become common occurrence.

What is your kind of rules on it down here in the SEC and how often does it take place that we had not had that for probably since 17 18? So we have a few intense rivalries that last week. We have rivalries every week Yeah, and in the egg bowl we had a couple of circumstances that repeated themselves sat down with the athletics directors And we actually removed the flags just because we didn't want that problem to continue to map itself because the intensity I get there'll be moments when teams kind of come together and have a little bit of a verbal jousting I understand that you want that's part of the intensity you don't want that every week but that's part of the intensity will happen after play we

had a couple of blocks like into the bench over the weekend too I think that shows the intensity but the flag planting. I think that shows the intensity. But the flag planting, my quote to Ross Dellinger was, hey, if you want to plant a flag, join the military, play capture the flag, fly to the moon. Those are good flag planting places. Yeah, the moon is. Use the energy to compete, man. Use the energy to compete.

Hey, that's a great quote. You felt good about that whenever? Yeah. When I gave it, I did. It was Sunday afternoon. Sunday afternoon. You know, he texted me and said, hey, I want to talk about the fight in FSU in Florida. I'm like, hey, we have stuff happen and we've had what I consider to be fights. That was just like, I don't appreciate you putting the flag down with probably some other colorful words. Dust up. A little pushing. And you

know, Billy, Mike obviously pointed it to Billy and I'm not going to evaluate everything. Billy got in there and started to be part of the solution. There were a lot of guys in that that were part of the solution. And that's what you want. You want the competitive fire, but not after the game. The competitive fire in the game is the reality we see.

Age, obviously Ohio State was a part of the big one with Michigan there that really set the entire day off, I think. I love that Jack Sawyer went to fight guys that played a flag on his field. I think from a player's perspective, and I know obviously you have massive brain, you're like, we've looked at it. We think you're the second most powerful person in sports. So, good for you. That's awesome. Age, I think we've come to the decision just, the no flag thing is probably the right move. That is probably the right move, you think? Yeah, it's not gonna end well.

Like, I just don't see any way that it ends well. If it continues to happen. Also, we're playing on field turf now, boys. Like, it doesn't have the same oomph when you can't stick it in the ground. I don't know. Yeah, but when Baker did that to you guys at horse, it stayed up for a little bit.

It was like a Chris Angel. Baker's a bit of a magician. He did make that thing stand for three or four seconds, right? It's like whenever somebody gets like a four-legged chair to stand up on one of its legs So it's like a bouncing act like Baker did that with the flag in real time and in both So remember whenever he played against him with the Niners. He did the thing after a sec. It's like the flag Planting your flag saying this is mine is a big deal I appreciate the fact that you're going to have to handle that.

Speaking of handling that, two teams are going to battle tomorrow to handle who's the champion of the Southeastern Conference. We talked to Coach Saban earlier. He told us a story about no pro teams since the 1970s. People have just been growing up with these schools. Georgia, obviously, in the middle of a potential dynastic run, they win a national championship. You're talking three out of four years. You're talking about being something very, very special.

They've had a hard road to get here. Texas, brand new to your conference. Is that good thing, bad thing? And how do you view the game that's taking place tomorrow? I haven't viewed like good, bad. I view it as reality. And remember, Texas was announced along with Oklahoma back in 21, so they've had three years to prepare.

They knew the destination. Saban said that as well. Yeah, and six weeks after we announced the invitation, they were in Fayetteville, Arkansas. Arkansas beat them that night. I think that's one of those lessons along the way. Steve had been with Nick a couple of times. He'd obviously been on the Falcon staff here, but Steve had lived the SEC life as an offensive coordinator. In fact, one of my like, forever remembering phone calls is Thanksgiving at 20 When Nick tests positive for Kovac and I'm talking to him about you know, Steve has to coach the Ironboy He has to make those decisions and I think all of that any cure what that was 26 hours, wasn't it? If I recall coach David had no that was the first time that was a false pause

I was positive then he had it for real for the iron ball. Okay, okay. And Steve's coaching in the iron ball. My point being is there's been a lot of preparation. So I don't view it as good or bad. I view it as the competitive reality. And you saw a great game, great game plans by both teams. Georgia had the edge. And we'll see what happens tomorrow. I was at the A&M Texas game. The defense is probably another level as they've grown during the season. You watch Carson in that second half against Alabama. Tough first half, but that is a resilient competitor. Even the Georgia Tech game to go eight overtimes and come back the way they did is a tribute

to what can happen on the field when you have these competitive opportunities, which I think is what high- level players seek. They cherish this. So all the noise about conference championship game misses, this is what the people on the field cherish. Yeah, absolutely. Hang a banner, brother, get a ring. I mean, anytime you get a chance to celebrate

beating opponents, you're certainly going to do that. They've talked, Coach Saban talked about it. Herb Street has talked about it before. There's just a palpable buzz in the air at these SEC championships so congratulations on having a conference that is always invested in always cares how hands-on are you with like scheduling of the SEC because Texas got a light SEC schedule allegedly you know and then obviously Georgia had a very strong SEC how does that get figured out is that that you guys, who does that?

It comes from the conference office and we spent years, what we did, we had to look back trying to narrow the competitive disparity. And all you can do is look at history. So we went back post expansion in the SEC to figure out the dynamics of wins and loss percentage. Like if you could have a perfect schedule, everybody's total set of opponents would have a 500 record. They'd win what they lost. In our divisions, that disparity was from like 46% up to 64,

so a huge disparity. Going into this season, that disparity was narrowed greatly, like 48 to 54. So we were close to having 500 records and opponents, but that's backward looking for 12 years. Now here's the problem. Oklahoma and Texas weren't in the league, so how do you accommodate for that in the analytics?

And then the transfer portal, let's be honest, has really changed things. Like you look at playing Vanderbilt, and I think people have underappreciated the competitive effectiveness, the line play at Vanderbilt. Obviously I have a quarterback that's been a great story. But those have been hard games. You look at Georgia going to Kentucky, that's a one point game after South Carolina went to Kentucky and had a great game.

All of those things are part of the realities of scheduling in this new environment. But what if it's gonna get punished though? So like that's the- Well that's where I was headed next. There has to be recognition. Like I could pull out my email and show you our 16 teams, right?

Strength of schedule. And this is not my rating, this is Massey, FBI and Sagarin combined. When you take- Massey and Sagarin, they don't mess around. That's exactly right. No, no, you don't wanna see that with a flag at midfield. That won't cause a problem.

Yeah, yeah, Massey, yeah, we know. So, you combine all of those, 14 of our teams' strength of schedule is greater than the first of the other top 25 CFP teams. In other words, 14 of our 16 have stronger schedules than the next CFP team. And then the next two follow, and then everybody else in the CFP Top 25 rankings has a lesser schedule than our 16 teams when you use that metric. Now I've done my homework.

No, and again, you don't want to meet those guys on a flag flag because they're serious about stuff. I appreciate how much the SEC folks care about the SEC, and I think that's why you are such a perfect commissioner for them because it's not just football,'s every sport you feel this way you truly do represent it then one of those Saturdays happen and you talk about the parity the 14 teams that have a hard schedule that Saturday happens where you know three your top teams all get knocked off by lesser teams you're almost

like beating up on each other and if this college how much are you paying attention obviously to the college football playoff and how they're gonna be putting in here? A little bit. Because there was a chance, what was it last week? There was a chance only one SEC team, was that it? Was that hearing that right? Yeah, maybe champions.

Just the champions, yeah. No, no, yeah, yeah, just the champion getting in there. No, but that was a conversation. Is it gonna be three, is it gonna be four? It's currently four right now in the playoffs. And obviously people talk about three losses, three losses, Georgia might have three losses after this whole thing. Are they gonna get it?

It's how do you view it all? And who are you talking, like are you a part of any of these conversations? No, I'm not in the selection process. We have policies on communication. So we have two members of the selection committee that visit with our staff on a regular basis as the season comes to conclusion about injuries.

We talk about strength of schedule We talked about favorable data points like if you look at our record against every other power for conference You know, we're unchallenged in our level of success. That's just reality Unchallenged in our level and that's just in football not to mention we won 14 of 16 men's basketball games in the SECACC men's basketball challenge. But that's just a throw in. Just wait don't be scheduled in West Virginia down there. We'll take that we'll do that. Yeah you don't want that. Fill it up. So I look in but let's think last year when you and I had this

conversation it's hey if Georgia lose and Alabama wins you might not get anybody in right. Yes. Now we're having conversations about teams 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15. We've brought more people into the conversation. I think that's good for football. My view is, just like last year, if we were in a four-team playoff, we'd have a team in, we'd be talking about New Year's six, we'd be talking about who goes to the other bowl games. The chance to even have a debate about more of our teams being engaged in this

national championship opportunity because of the high level play I think is great. Now we entrust the committee. Do I have different perspectives at times? Do I think strength of schedule is distinct in this conference compared to others? Absolutely. Do I have different thoughts? Sure. But we have to let the committee reign. And here's what's going to happen. Just like in men's basketball, we're going to immediately be into the, well there should be more teams in the college football club. Yes, they're already playing in that aren't they? Well no, it's talked about, it's part of the rhetoric, but you know, football is not a

tournament game. It's a playoff game and we have to be sensitive to the demands of the regular season and the demands of the postseason as well. And the physicality. And have to find a balance. A ball. Especially in the Southeastern Conference. Amen. And West Virginia and the Big 12. You don't want any? On special teams for sure. Alright, that's true. Hey ask him if he's cold right now because that leads to...

Do you want to ask him Connor? Do you want to ask? Yeah that actually is what I was gonna ask commission. It does look like you're a little bit chilly I'm assuming you might have a scarf back there somewhere just in case it is very cool But that is the conversation right now if the college football playoff were to stay how it is Tennessee's going to Ohio State and as we all know those southeastern conference teams I'm a man off the South Bend bingo coming up to Indiana and is brick in Indiana right now Let me tell you what that is the combo'm in the combo those southeastern teams They're great, but you know when it gets a little chilly They might kind of quiver back into their holes a little bit. Is that something that uh, we're not saying that we're not saying that

That's just the narrative that I said Observe and report. I watch the show, you've got to tell me when the journalism comes. Yeah, yeah, once all the time. He's got an Oregon hat on. Don't you worry about it. They bop me off. I missed the Iowa gear from last week.

Iowa gear's right on the other side of the road. So it's not them though. They have seen their friends. So let's go back to last week. At the end of that eight overtime, it was in the 20s, I asked, in Athens. Our teams performed. I was at the Egg Bowl, it was cold at the Egg Bowl, we had a great football game. It was a little warm in College Station, it was in the 50s, so that was pleasant.

We had snow in Missouri, for Arkansas, Missouri, so it's happened in this league. I thought Josh Hyple went to the podium and he said, any place, any time, if you don't feel that way, you're just here for the cup of coffee. So our guys are gonna be ready. You know, we have heated benches. We have hot hands. We have gloves. Long time ago, I was commissioner

of the Southland Conference. You take Southern teams up to Montana. Now that's cold in Montana, Missoula, Montana. That's cold. Very cold, yeah, that was like negative 20, I think. Our guys will be ready. You know, some global warming might help around these states. Aren't you happy, too, with the addition event?

It's cold. We're up there. They're in. The global warming ain't doing nothing up there. What was that? We got a couple weeks for it to sort itself out. No, no. It was, what was it?

60 mile an hour winds the other night. Yeah. 60 mile an hour winds from out of nowhere. Yeah, Wednesday night was scary. Wind killed 20 below. Yeah, it was an Arctic tornado It felt like I was very worried I was very worried, but if one of your teams has to walk walk into one of these Arctic tornadoes Those guys on the line of scrimmage line up with no sleeves and they're gonna Line of scrims game. I'd take a windy game

I take the line of scrimmage game. I'd Look for it. Oh, he's talking shit there. He was giving he's giving an answer like yeah We're okay with a run game If that's how this is gonna go if you went out physical less AJ Hawk has a question for you commish commission You mentioned earlier you said there's like communication Rules on how you can talk to teams and everything you said there was two people from Alabama that you guys speak to or whatever. Is that common with other teams and does every team kind of have a- From the committee or from the committee?

No, no, from the committee. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. There's a range of people in my conference who talk to me. Yeah. So like there's a lot of people that have my phone number in this league.

That can go any place. I was talking about the process for communication with the selection committee, which we've all agreed to, is we'll have scheduled calls with two representatives of the selection committee. We share team information on, it's not necessarily a weekly basis, it accelerates at this time of year, but that's the point of communication. Like, Pat, you were asking about, hey hey do I talk to people about selection and we follow the process. Every conference does the same thing? Every conference? Yeah, yeah it's a standard process you're assigned two reps a primary and a secondary same thing happens with the NCAA basketball committee on the men's and women's side

during the season. Are you doing pitch decks there or just conversation? We provide them team sheets so schedule any key injuries somebody may have missed a game. We talk about some, I'll call them brag points, things that we've achieved that might be unique to us on a regular basis. And then they have a lot more information and probably have what we provide, but it's a touch point. And if they have any questions of us, like, hey, was so-and-so receiver in this game back in September outside the game just to clarify I think that's the kind of healthy conversation that's appropriate for all of the conferences. Amen I think it's a good idea too to get more information all the information that they can get so they make the right decision even though they're never going to be able to

get it right in everybody's eyes thank god it's them not us that is how I feel about it all. Tone Diggs has a question for you back in Indianapolis. Yeah, Commissioner, we are big proponents on this show that we love the first round being those home games, but we also think the conference champions, whether it stays like that or not, but the teams that are getting these buys into the quarterfinals should also have home games as well.

Now I know there's a lot of big corporate money because those are going to be bowl games that have been bowl games for four years and years and years but what are your thoughts on potentially going to home games as well in the quarterfinals so that you know those teams that got won their conference champions also get that opportunity yeah so I don't want to be like the adult in a Charlie Brown commercial come on like blah blah blah but I'll just you're gonna blah blah blah, blah. Come here. I'll just. You're going to blah, blah, blah?

No, no. I'm not going to blah, blah. It's the SEC Championship. I can't take blah, blah, blah. These two years, we have existing agreements with bowl games. And so bowl games have to be a part of it to expand early. That's clear. We're also going to talk to those bowl games because football has a tradition still.

We are experiencing something with those first round games. And I think it's a fair question. How will those be received? How will those be conducted? It'll be different. Like you just asked me about playing in cold weather. Hey, we're gonna be ready to play wherever. We do think there is a lot to the tradition of bowl games

and we're gonna see something on December, what is it, 20 and 21 that we've never seen before, which is post-season football games played in on-camp campus facilities between two teams That's gonna be pretty cool to watch and we as people that have been just dropped into the college football world And maybe I'm from Pittsburgh So is tone and obviously AJ is an Ohio State guy through and through Connor was born up in near Boston and Paul Mary. I grew up outside Syracuse, New York. Okay, so not Syracuse. Let's go Buffalo

Didn't grow up in college football worlds with game day now We've all got to experience what it is why college football is special the people that haven't seen a college football game this year They're gonna watch a home field advantage College football playoff game, yeah, I think it's gonna make a lot of fans. I think it's gonna make a lot of people that are ball fans kind of learn like, hey, we got like the hooligans experience in Europe.

You know, I don't think people that don't watch college ball fully understand what the environment's like, the chance, the buy-in, the passion, the loyalty, the grandness of some of these stadiums. It's like, I think it's a good thing. That's why Tone and I, and I think all of us, would like another week of that, because I think that is a part of what college ball is. I'm gonna walk away from the hooligan part of that experience, but I think your other

description is about the passion, the positive passion. That's what we want. Hooligans are a compliment, right? To the hooligans over there? I hope so. Hooligans are good. I didn't know that. Good time. Sometimes the sound's down when I do watch the show. I miss the definition of use there.

Okay, alright. You need to stop watching the program. Last time you were on the program, we didn't know what Transfer Portal NIL was going to be like. There was like a, you know, we'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes. You talked about the turnover and the consistency I think in one of your answers about it. What are your thoughts on how the Southeastern Conference and how College Bowl has handled all of this? Transfer Portal, NIL, Team Turner, everything. How do you feel? We've gone through what normally would have been decades of change through the process

in a matter of years. And we're about to go through more change in a matter of weeks and months, trying to resolve a settlement. We need- April 8th, right? Yeah, we need national standards to be returned. Like when I visit with players from teams, whether it's football or basketball or baseball,

they just wanna know that the people across the line of scrimmage have the same standards that they have in place. And right now it's on a state by state basis. That's not healthy. We need national standards. We need to return some oversight to the name, members, and likeness activity

like fair market value, real business purpose. I think the transfer portal, the transfer opportunities have allowed kind of this migration quickly, and that can be beneficial. I think there are some long-term impacts that have to be understood. So we gotta continue to pay attention.

I don't think we're at a destination, but we need some involvement from others, whether it's resolving litigation, perhaps some congressional help as Congress comes together in January, I think that's important for us to have. What do you mean? National Center. They gotta pass something? Yes.

I thought that judge was passing something. Well, we don't get, it's like college football, we don't get to just play on one field here. There's courts we have to deal with, there's litigation. There's states, there's legislation. I just went to the Charlie Brown moment, huh? Yeah, you did just, no, what you did is you broke some news to me that is like pretty devastating, because I just assumed we get an answer, okay.

So there's an answer that's a framework that I think is important. Framework. Yeah. And I think that can resolve a lot of issues. But to have those national expectations reestablished, I do think, in fact, I'm not alone. There has to be some congressional involvement to set those common expectations. Otherwise, what's happening now is every state's passing a law. The net of that is we're going to have college championships that are like state high school

championships because we're not competing under the same standards. That's the issue that's front and center for the conversation. Got it. And that revenue share should be able to help if you can get to the revenue marker, which SEC probably never has a problem with, but other conferences might. So will there be? I mean, it's a wild time. We're thankful that your brain's helping.

Got it, though. Aren't we, boys? Oh, yeah. Come in. Speaking of, Ty has a question for you. He's the Iowa guy Yeah, commis just curious when you see you know Like Lane kiffin trading barbs with people or some of these other coaches in your conferences and then some of the other conferences A.d.s are getting involved kind of you know squabbling and bickering over all we should be in you guys

Is you know strength the schedule stinks or whatever is it ever tough for you not to just be like, you know what, whether it's a burner account or I'm just gonna have my own account, I'm gonna hop in here and kind of just drop a nuke and end this whole situation and let these guys know in the Big 12 or the ACC, listen, you don't deserve to be in the playoff, okay? We deserve to get a fourth team or a fifth team in.

How difficult is it kind of toe in that line yeah some twitter fingers i have so i have a twitter account um at greg sankie very simple to find follow i do not have a burner account i have adult supervision so before i tweet things somebody else has to read it and approve it. So two weeks ago. Who, who, who, who's that person? Herb Vincent, so you talked to Herb. Herb, hey. He's on the bench. Herb, Adam, Adam, baby, Herb, hey. Sometimes my wife, who may be watching right now.

Smart, smart, always. I consult with her. Always, every tweet is with her. So two weeks ago, I tweeted innocently, just innocently, a comparison about strength of schedules in college football. Just a couple of weeks ago, just innocently, the amount of feedback and views and commentary was magnificent. Can we pull that up? I mean just innocently I wanted to inform the public. That was about Bob

Holt who was the Arkansas Democrat writer who we just we just lost. Rest in peace. It was probably another tweet that you put out. You gotta go back It's a couple of weeks. Okay, how often are you tweeting? Never tweet on game days really because it's a tough. It's a tough then locked in on Saturday You should think about just doing selfies at all the games. I have a lot of filters on yes That's how we operate tweet about what I read but you know innocently again I just want to inform America about the Distinctions and our strength of schedule versus others And that provoked a bit of a reaction. So are there times I'd like to do more?

Absolutely. But those who care about me and my life stop me from doing so. Herb, let more fly. Come on Herb. Come on Herb. Come on Herb. I was on a call one time commenting on something and I was about to say something very direct which I said Herb was trying to hit the mute button.

This was like eight years ago and I realized I should have let him hit the mute button. Yeah, no, no, no. Let it all fly, brother. Let it all fly. Interesting to read analysis from others, you say. Again, I'm just providing information to America. Yep.

These are, mm-hmm. These are just things I heard from Massie and what was the other one? Sagarin. Sagarin, right there. Yeah, right there. That's Sagarin right there. They were, oh, right there. These are things I heard from Massie and what was the other one? Sagerin. Sagerin right there. Yeah right there, that's Sagerin right there. Oh right there.

And obviously these have changed and we just took the top 15 and built in all of our 16 team strength of skeleton. Man this is a really interesting graphic I just happened upon says the commissioner. Yeah I mean this is about the care for the American people to share information in an information consuming society. Alright, last question from the Thunderdome. AJ has one for you, Commish. I have no idea what my Twitter account looks like right now from a comment standpoint.

No, no, it's... Don't worry about that. Hey, that's everybody. The bots will get you anyways. Don't even worry about it. Commish, do you think... Yeah, don't worry. Yeah, you'll be fine either way.

You don't need to read them. But of all these championship games going on, do these championship games, do they still matter as much as they used to? And you think going forward we're going to continue to, you know, they're going to be a huge deal for these teams. In our league it just means more is our mantra and I think so. Let's go back to the start 33 years ago, 92 the first one of these, Florida and Alabama just discussions about, wow if if Florida wins, the SEC is not going to be in the national championship hunt.

That conversation has taken place. When you come to the Southeastern Conference, you come to challenge yourself among the best. And earning that conference championship has deep meaning. In fact, the fans that will show up here want to be a part of something special. Everyone else has followed with a conference championship game. And what I said to you earlier was the reality is high level competitors want to be on this field of play, challenging themselves against the best. That's part of the process.

And I don't think any of us should apologize or become like shrinking violets and pull back to say, well, we don't want to do that because, you know, maybe that has an implication down the road. No, we, we, competitors want to play in these venues and in these games. I wanted a slow zoom in on your face there. I tried to get because you were just cutting a impassioned promo for the Southeastern Conference and its history and everything that you cherish.

It's a perfect reason why you're, you're a great commissioner of this conference. I appreciate that. We appreciate your hospitality. My enduring vision of the season is you standing next to that cannon when it didn't work and then when it did work. Thank you. That was a jump.

I'm happy. Yeah. It does it to me too. It's a powerful cannon. You know that guy carried a real live round and his hands put it in the bucket whenever it didn't go off. Oh seriously? Yeah, we almost saw a cadet get...

No hands....cadetted. I mean, at what cost did that cannon't go off. Oh seriously? Yeah you almost saw we almost saw a cadet get uh no hands. Cadet it yeah I mean at what cost did that cannon almost go off? We almost lost a hand and arm out there. We're good there's safety safety regulations. Safety regulations do apply they had a plan they had a bucket uh they were obviously in there any SEC school would be prepared to operate with a cannon and uh Mike Elko did me, yeah, that's what Aggies do. We adapt, we overcome, we face adversity. Now that's where the live round just went into a bucket of water, smart, put the fire out, put the fire out. And then all of a sudden guess what we have again,

Greg Sink, another cannon ready to go, and then it blows a hole in my eardrum. So, it is different down here, isn't it? It is, adapt to the circumstance, it's awesome. Where will you watch the game? You gotta walk, get all these people, how many partners? With Bevo?

Oh, all kinds. My favorite thing to do is to be on the field for kickoff, watch a couple series, that's my happy moment. Like going to early games on a Saturday to Saturday basis where nothing else has happened during the day, be it the first game for kickoff and watch, the first 10 minutes is actually at the top of my fun list on a weekly basis.

After that, it's work, things happen, people complain, you never know. But to be on a field, generally in the end zone to watch the line play from the backside to see what happens is pretty cool. I was right there New Year's Eve a couple years ago when that field goal missed and George advanced to the National Championship. Right there by the... So you were right next to us. I think we were standing there as well. I, I caught a field goal in that game. Remember?

Yeah, I miss our on field conversations in game. We used to do they're coming. It's coming. Okay, we got it We got them coming. It's it's becoming simulcast season It's a it's about to happen won't be happening here, but it will be happening I see you I'd love to have a conversation. You know what every time we see you we have a great conversation You know what I would like to see? Bevo on this sideline. Hey man, me too. That's the problem. Connor brought it up. We looked at alternatives and we have a limited space reality here. What if you just kind of blocked off that whole entire like what would that be called there? Deck. Yeah like that deck there there? That the deck. Yeah. Like the deck there.

Just block that whole thing. I would put them in a field suite, but we're going to go forward with the football game as is. You're going to have to, you're going to have to stop asking. Like we've provided some alternatives, but we are getting to the point now where you're going to focus on football. We're going to play football. Going to have to take UGA into custody then. Cause that's an unfair advantage.

If UGA is on there and and bevos not lock them up. I guess that's one way to look at it He's over there. I'll go hug is a dog be vote pooped right over our shoulder at the cotton ball Last year, he's a he's a massive animal. It is shame He won't be here, but the magic will be in the air as the SEC champion is crowned tomorrow shout to dr. Pepper We love dr. Pepper down here. Absolutely. Are they your biggest partner? They were first they they from day one with our championship named dr. Pepper's been a part of it All your other partners here that's who huh? Oh, yeah It's like a Super Bowl. Yeah, so I go up and visit and they do a lot of activation T mobile has a concert tomorrow round game day

Dan and Shay yeah we've got fire I mean we've got fire happening right now pyro I mean what doesn't happen at the conferences Friday you're the best ladies and gentlemen the commissioner of the SEC Grinch Sankey Conman have you ever seen anybody be I guess he's a soldier for the cause is what I say for when people are all in for what they're supporting for what they're running right he's all in the SEC yeah he is all in on the SEC that stat about the strength of schedule is crazy going through that going through that little graphic that he met from sagran and all that shit but it's also much easier to be like that when like he's right I feel like there's no argument really against what he's saying when you do look at how tough all the schedules are how good all The teams are like he mentioned Vandy in there Vandy has been one of the stories of the entire season And that's not even a top half SEC team so in you know Ty brought up, South Carolina like South Carolina

They closed the season better than anybody did. And they're not really getting any consideration of like, hey, should this team really be in when it comes to Miami and Ole Miss right now? So it is true. He's a soldier for the cause, but pretty easy to be a soldier for the cause when you have the greatest army, if you will,

in all of the conferences. He is trying to find those stats too. Interesting thing I just saw here, a piece together. in all of the conferences. He is trying to find those stats too, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting thing I just saw here pieced together. Have you ever heard of Sagran and whatever the other? Massey. Massey? Yeah.

Yeah. Sag and Massey? Yeah. We have. Just like you have. They judge good. What else do they judge? That's it.

Movies. Just college football. It's kind of a narrow focus for TV shows I think they did do movies remember they were like thumbs up thumbs down wasn't that sagging mass? Yeah Cisco and Ebert's half brothers. Yeah, they're They saw each other at the holidays sag Cisco I do you know what is not great for the entire narrative is that it was sag mass and ESPN ESPN was the first one the it gets loud obviously because our shows licensed through ESPN and I'm on college game day, which is on ESPN

People really do get pissed off about the SEC SPN thing Well, they of course ESPN wants the SEC to survive. It's like, ESPN also owns the ACC network, and I think they would like, I think, everybody to succeed, but there is a full narrative out there that ESPN wants the SEC to do great. And it's like, just as a human that was an outsider and got dropped into this world, luckily,

first of all, it's warm down here, so people are much more likely to be active on a more regular basis. Now granted, there's a little chill in this state and people are acting like it's much colder than it actually is though so that's kind of making me upset but nonetheless it is warmer and they've been just, these people live this shit down here everywhere. And I know in Ohio it's like that. And I know up there in Happy Valley it's like that. And I know at Michigan they obviously have that massive stadium they fill Ohio it's like that. And I know up there in Happy Valley, it's like that. And I know at Michigan,

they obviously have that massive stadium they fill up, it's like that, but it's like, down here, these people, I think more people are living and dying with everything that's happening, which is why having a guy like Greg Senke be the commissioner of it is the right move. He is down for the cause, to your point, and it all. But, you know, college ball is gonna be fantastic conference championships taking place

big time by and college football playoff on the line for four programs and then maybe a Group of five team would be ranked higher than the big 12 champion that comes in and maybe they get an opportunity to get a first round By but there's some championship games today age and look at that Western, Kentucky Jacksonville State game right at the top right there That rich Rodriguez out there Jacksonville State It is it is hosting the conference USA championship. Just a couple years into his Tenure down there Jacksonville State had to turn over the team got a new quarterback Yeah, he's he's hosting the championship game, you know, and that's what Rich Rodriguez does.

The lights have just come on down here at the Mercedes-Benz Stadium. It's obviously a little bit brighter, a little bit lighter, a little bit nicer, and then there's some shadows in different places, I'm realizing, but championship weekend is phenomenal, H. These games matter, and Ohio State's on a part of it. Sorry about it, but this is a huge weekend with massive implications all across the country age.

I mean, really, think of the Penn State team. I know we talk to AQ every Wednesday. He's here in studio, but Penn State being the number three team planning is Oregon in the Big Ten championship. Like I feel like they've kind of flown under the radar with their success this season, haven't they? Yeah.

Well mostly because every big game they've had they've lost, but this is a big one that they could win if they beat Oregon Oregon falls to the number five seed which is obviously home playoff game and then lowest ranked Champion in the second round and I don't think Dan Lanning has that in him But worst case scenario for Oregon coming out of the weekend is they have a home playoff game Penn State they can trust themselves into a first round by or find themselves having to travel for a first round playoff game instead of having a home game like has been chatted about basically all season for them. And then you think about that Clemson SMU game.

I mean, that's the one that can really cause some real chaos, real chaos there. SMU has been leading the ACC all year, but they haven't been the highest ranked ACC team in a college football playoff at all except for like the last week Or two so if Clemson was to go in there and beat SMU which Dabo Sweeney certainly has cause to do He said we're the first 15 to no college football national champion We can be the first three loss national champion as well But this SMU team is good Jennings right there able to spin it their team has changed and Kate Clubnick I think he had a big touchdown run against Pitt to win the game

He's really tried to take over on the ground. They're a different team than the team that played Georgia in the first week, although they did lose to Louisville about a month ago. So you're talking about a great football game here with huge implications because ACC is a P4 program. P4 program. So if your highest ranked team is a top 10 team, they lose to Clemson, they're automatically just out of the college football

playoff, even though they've been leading the ACC all year. And then Alabama is in over SMU, and then if SMU knocks out Alabama, holy hell, now we got another Greg Sankey tweet coming right down the pipe. It's like a, it never, it's huge implications this weekend. I'm lucky, I'm lucky that we're a part of a tiny bit of it It should be a absolute blast AJ

it'll just be cool to see what like the standard they set for the conference championship games cuz like if SMU does lose like are you really gonna say like, okay Hey, even though you had a great season and this is the first college football playoff and we want to keep these conference championship Games to mean something We're gonna kick you out like as someone who actually was going for the conference championship and then it's the same with Oregon and even Penn State like Penn State if they were to you know lose in a closed game to Oregon Are you really gonna now drop them below and Notre Dame who didn't play any game because of the fact that they made it to Their conference championship like the ward manual said

you know there's no more data points for the teams that aren't playing this weekend which is kind of the 10 or 6 through 10 there because At 11 they're still playing or Bama's not playing but those teams from 6 to 11 Excuse me like it will be cool to see and then George is kind of the same type of situation Like if Georgia wins, of course, they do get a bye But if they're to lose are you really gonna drop them further away where they might not even have a playoff game Like it's fascinating to see what happens and it really does. I feel like all depend on the scores

It's not just like a win-lose situation. It's like hey these games how competitive they are matters more almost than any of the matchups themselves my thing is like like you just said like these games how competitive they are matters more almost than any of the matchups themselves my thing is like like you just said like you have to keep the conference you can't penalize these teams for making like you brought up georgia and smu like no one's talking about georgia dropping out of the playoff even though you know they could they're not going to like i don't i don't think you could drop georgia or smu out with a loss It just you can't punish teams for making to their conference champions Could you fathom at the big 12 champion doesn't get a first-round by and is the fifth highest champion that would say pretty embarrassing I mean they could be or could that happen? I mean that is the situation as a friend. Yeah, I mean is there any

I mean that is the situation as a friend. Yeah, I mean is there any Like you if you look at it as it stands right now It's hard to imagine that there is any way they do get a first round by regardless of who wins Yeah, just think about like the way if you're in a p4 conference, you know power for yeah used to be power five knots power Four we're in it and all of a sudden like actually Mountain West is actually better than your particular conference. So, now they're going to get a first round game, some more exposure on TV, you know, which is good for any program and anything like that.

But it's like, that five hole is a good spot to be. I think Oregon's the only team that can really get there, should be a blast. Hey, did you hear about the NFLPA and the NFL? No, what happened? You hear about this? What'd they do. So obviously a lot of things happening. I think there's something taking place

with the testing of THC going forward too. So shout out to everybody doing that. That's obviously a cool thing. I don't fully understand it, but hey, listen, seems like they're gonna get rid of it. I was in the program, the substance abuse program. It is a nightmare. It is no fun.

It is eight random drug tests a month uh for 27 months okay and obviously you get dropped in there for any alcohol or drug related charge i had a public intoxication with an alleged story uh could be true i mean could be true but nonetheless i was in there the conversation i'm talking about is uh surrounding the things that they're testing for. No more posting pictures of you getting drug tested. Okay? Here's frequently asked questions says the NFLPA to all of their constituents. Can I post a photo or video of the Whiteslip notifying me of a drug test? No.

Can I post screenshots of text messages of my drug test telling me I have four hours to complete the test or it will be considered a fail? No. Can I post a photo, video or audio from inside the drug testing room during the collection? Now there's a good chance you're going to see my cheeks or maybe my belly button because shirts got to go to nipples, pants got to go to ankles and there's a dude in there. So I don't know if anybody's thinking about posting any photos or audio from in there. I will say one of my 200-some tests from the 27 months that I was in the program

I had four hours to complete the test or it's a fail You know they called me one time they called me at 3 30 a.m Because they didn't believe that I was going bigfoot hunting down here in Georgia I was and I was up so I passed that test But if I would have slept till about 8 that could have been considered a fail, you know So there was this one time I took a test. It was at the facility during the offseason and I had a four-hour window I was three and a half hours into it was able to utilize the restroom so I go to the testing room I say hey I believe I can piss let's go in there let's do the

entire deep I do it I get enough because there's a certain amount you have to get, it gets tested. Drug test guy, new guy, they had not seen this guy. Shake. Come on. Spills piss all over the desk. Now we don't have enough piss. Now we don't have enough piss to fill up the thing. I got 30 minutes, you gotta generate a new one, he says.

No. Me, I did. Pedialyte dome, pedialyte dome. We got generated a new one. He says no Me I did Pedialyte dome pedialyte dome. We're talking this whole thing I am not gonna fail was like an extension of us being in the program There was no way I was gonna do any of that So yeah, I I house like three people so that would have been something I would have liked take a video of say like hey Excuse me. This is this is this is not on me innocent was it previously against the rules to publicly post such content yeah it was they said however

there was no defined disciplinary framework so was it no so that means it was not which meant the league had the discretion to impose fines that could have exceeded fifteen thousand dollars which is what they're saying now I I do think I am an absolute doofus but I think I'm actually the person that started this entire thing legitimately. This is after I made the tackle on trending holiday and I got drug tests. A lot of people said that I made this up and it was fake. No, this is the actual thing that was put on my locker and I thought it was hysterical because at that point I don't even think I was taking pre-workout or drinking coffee. It was just it was pizza and every once in a while you'd throw back a beer. I didn't have to do the entirety

of it all but yeah I think I posted that and people really got a kick out of it. Really got a kick out of it. Must be my bod. You said at the end of the tweet. That's perfect. Yeah and that was back whenever I look like a child upper body, you know, I wasn't doing much upper body workouts. I had a little bit of a gut, which I still do, because the way my body is built like a spark plug, not a gazelle, but yeah, I think this is one of the, I don't know if it was the first,

I think it was the first one, I'm not too sure, but because of the success it had, I was like, oh, this is funny, but you're only posting if you know you're not going to fail. Yeah. You're not going to be posting if you think you're going to fail, had I was like, oh this is funny, but you're only posting if you know you're not gonna fail Yeah, you know, you're not gonna be posting if you think you're gonna fail So I was like very confident. I was not gonna fail. So I saw other people start posting I'm like, okay This is a funny thing But I was waiting on somebody to be like what you're gonna text me and then fail and then it's like

Then it's a big scene a big situation, but they're banned in today Jay. I don't like it So it's just be able to talk about being drugged. I know, so now the punishment is a $15,000 fine if you would post that picture now today? Did it say exceeded? The hell was that? It said it, yeah. Uh-oh. That could have exceeded 15,000.

So I think they're saying more than 15,000, but they didn't give an actual number. So that is certainly something. We'll see the first person to do it. You know someone's gonna do it. Yeah, those are all steroid tests, not substance of abuse. Yeah. You know, those are all steroid tests.

So there's people, you know, that always say, I took a Hyalrol every weekend. I took this supplement that I didn't have listed. There was a real wild, wild West times there where I think people legitimately didn't know what was in their supplements and failing tests. Then there I think there was a lot of people that were failing tests who knew exactly what they were doing and had an easy out just saying the supplements I didn't tell me and then boom this guy was on horse steroids and just able to kind of pass it off because the NFL never says anything which is kind of a one good one-sided argument if you

really want to get into it. Yeah, it's up to the player, right? To say if they want to tell people what they tested positive for, which I feel like players don't really ever. Unless they say, yeah, it's a tainted supplement. These pills are bought at the gas station. You remember guys, and I don't know how loud I'm talking. I assume it's pretty loud, but there's a lot of people around me, so

I don't want to be too loud. You remember those guys are failing for extens there for a bit You remember that a teammate that said he failed for extens. Is that real said I? He took it yet He failed a test and he said that was the reason why and I never heard that before I never heard anybody actually Openly say that he said it so I was like must be telling truth. Why would you tell anybody? Yeah, I thought it was the gas nation like, you know hard on pills. They did it. That's I thought it was the gas station like you know hard on pills that did it. That's

Horny go we the whatever they call it. Yeah, those are the ones I guess that people claim that they got popped for as well Now see I think extends was a different animal. I'm not a herp says that a prescription based Water oh, yeah, I think it both I think it does both you're a soup can, you can become an actual weapon down there. Great, thank you. Nick Saban, Deion Dawkins coming. Football! Football! It's what's happening. Pat, how are you doing?

A lot of activity, it feels like, during the break behind you. A lot of stuff going on. Of course. Trying to get stuff situated. Of course there's a lot of activity, it feels like, during the break behind you. A lot of stuff going on. Of course. Trying to get stuff situated. Of course there's a lot of activity, bud. The SEC Championship's here tomorrow, okay? They were going to do a sound check during our break there. They actually blew it off. They said, we don't want to interfere with anything.

We'll do it afterwards. So every minute that we talk to these microphones, we are certainly delaying some rehearsal somewhere else. But we want to let everybody know, we thank you for the hospitality. How about Sankey coming in? Dog. Legend. How about Sankey coming in? Dog. Legend. How about Sankey coming in?

Then Coach Saban obviously. I mean he's a guy who has become one of the great voices of college ball this entire season. I saw Sports Illustrated talked about Woj being the biggest media story of the year. Him retiring and then going to St. Bonaventure to be the general manager. I think they're very good right now, too, right Spread eight there. Yeah, and there's more information coming out about like how he was making seven million Now he's making like seventy five thousand bucks. And I think he has a form of prostate cancers. I mean, it's like hey Well, it's a poem for you Bob

For as long as you did it all and I agree that's a massive story of media. It certainly is because it involves a lot of things. GMs for a college team, massive insider, business, every big deal and obviously cancer diagnosis and the outcry and not outcry but the outcry and support. Yeah, I guess outcry and support of his whenever he retired but like Nick Saban just dropping into college game day and becoming like one of the greatest analysts

on television out of nowhere is a awesome media story from this year. Every time he comes on here, I feel like I get smarter, I laugh, I learn some new saying, and like how comfortable he is, and knowing who he is. Whenever he said, they need to know what to he said they need to know what to do, they need to know how to do it, and they need to know why they need to do it,

it's like he does that with TV as well. And it's like, he has been awesome. So I'm thankful he stops by every single week with us, AJ. And this is fun, man. We're already at the championship weekend. This is flown by. Everything goes fast, man. It's true.

I think the older you get to the faster things go. Maybe just cause you actually pay attention for once. For me at least, that's how I am. I guess sometimes I actually pay attention and look around like, okay, yeah, this is pretty sweet. We better slow it down. Yeah, bingo. That's what I'm saying.

We're already at the SEC Championship. It's like, this is just- Remember when we were complaining about no football early in the night? Whenever there's no football, even preseason, and you think about, man, when is football ever gonna get here? And then, boom, you look up and it's December 6th. Week 14, brother, there's 18 weeks in the NFL season. Remember when the Celtics won the championship and thinking, like, man, we need football.

And then football for New England was over October 10th. No, no, but the future's still very much in play, which is good news. Then we got to see Drake May May and it did bring a whole different revival this season. I'd like to say thank you to football. Thank you football. Love you football. We do love you football. That's the talk to table at boss of Connor and that Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer. So when I said that was it on time with you guys or off time? Yeah on time. Timing it. Yeah perfect. That's 10 digs right there, AP 10. Then the boys in the back, fantastic work today, everybody.

And shout out to the ESPN crew that set up this on-site thing here at the SEC Championship right on the sidelines. Starting to become a little bit of an annual tradition. Speaking of, speaking of, think about how fucking dumb our show is. Speaking of annual traditions, every single week week except for last week AJ and I picked the entire board of the NFL slate and we are going to do that once again. AJ got a big win last week.

We both got a great win last night though. Bingo plus three and a half we all were on the packer so congrats to Chuck, congrats to you, congrats to me we're all on winning side starting it now let's go to Carolina Panthers traveling to Philadelphia to take on the Philadelphia Eagles who are a wagon. I think a lot of people would say they are the team right now that people think could win a Super Bowl if it was next week. Detroit Lions a little bit too banged up on the defensive side. Philadelphia Eagles on the flip side have all their stars playing They are a wagon. Are they a big enough wagon to win by two scores against a surging?

Bryce young and carolina panthers. Is there any information we need to know about this one boys? No, I think not sure if davonta smith's going and I think goddard is week to week I don't think he's supposed to play this week I remember, okay, I remember Shetty at the beginning of the week or maybe his last week's day and Devonta almost went last week so he should go this week. Correct. Okay so that's a big piece of information. Saquon Barkley is having an MVP like season. The offensive line phenomenal. AJ are they good enough to win by 14? Yeah they absolutely are but I don't know if they will on this day.

Give me, you know what, give me the Carolina Panthers plus 13 here, Pat. Wow. Carolina Panthers have been playing great ball. There's a lot of hope in Carolina, I feel like. So I feel like they're going to find a way, at least maybe if they're down, down by a little bit at the end, maybe not a garbage touchdown, but they're going to always continue to fight. Yeah, a little back door cover. Give me the Eagles. I love what I love temper and team

I love temper and the team down there how they've been operating the last few weeks Good luck to them in the future. Give me Nick Sirianni in the philadelphia east. What are they saying about sir? I used more he was taking some shots what he yeah kind of the same deal just you know basically the reason everyone gives him shit on TV is because Facts are facts. We just don't like this guy's because we like Dan Campbell So maybe that said that Ryan RC said that right correct Yeah, and it wasn't like he was saying him personally, but he was saying as a whole like we just yeah You know there's just something about Sirianni. That's inherently unlikable

And that's why you know that's why we don't give him the benefit of the doubt like we do Dan Campbell. Versus MC DCA. Yeah, and Ryan's just doing the same thing we do, observing report plus his own personal opinion so, and he's obviously phenomenal on TV. He's won an Emmy for most outstanding personality over everybody else in sports media. So he is just, you know, talking from his perspective. I like both of those guys. Yeah I like about it if I think Philadelphia starting like sir I only two again. I think they are Remembering why they like them and I think you blow out this Carolina Panthers team at home

boy, there's gonna be some sir I only stuff afterwards and I'm here for man. I am here for it. Falcons this is their home right here nice home good place you know. Great place. Beautiful. The roof kind of opens up like a like a sphincter. Yeah just like that. It's a ball hole stadium. Like a balloon knot you know kind of the way it opens up kind of the way it twists around. It is a beautiful stadium though obviously Arthur Blank has a lot of money and the fine people of Georgia contributed greatly and who knows if it was the final price that they thought it was gonna be to build this place,

but it is glorious down here. The Falcons call it home. They're getting five and a half points traveling to the beautiful US Bank Stadium up there in Minnesota. I have boots on the ground in Minnesota, Michael Cole. It is cold. Okay. It is cold.

Does not matter because it's an indoor game, but does it AJ? When you wake up in the morning in a cold town, do the bones feel a little bit differently? Is this Minnesota Vikings team ready to beat down this Falcon squad fresh off of Kirk Cousins four interception game? AJ, who do you like? How do you like it?

So in this one, man, I like where the Vikings are at right now I like where they are like where they're they're trending in the right direction in my eye So I give me the Vikings minus five and a half now Kirk either Kirk has I think a big bounce back game and they go out and they dominate and they win this thing Or they continue and Kirk maybe has a few more turnovers and the team does not rally around revenge game for Kirk Cousins yeah I'm against you price does his house right we had a good fire in the back I believe he sold it did he really how could you say go fire pit was and then that locker room downstairs room he had yeah a little secret door deal who's buying it has to

be another player I guess he just goes to whoever gets drafted and said I got it. I got I got the house for you It's a fire pit in the back. I got a locker room in the basement Yeah, maybe JJ McCarthy buzzes flips that thing right over to the Michigan Wolverines locker room and you know, remember Kirk Cousins What's he doing with that head brain scan thing? Remember that thing? Oh, yeah to stay locked in stay focused I believe he's still doing that I wonder especially him being back in Minnesota. Maybe he goes and sees those two old to work on his body Maybe he gets a fresh body fresher than ever his old routine. Maybe you're right Oh, yeah, you're talking about the older folks that worked on him

Yeah in hard knocks and then also were specialists in the basement I thought that was very charming and a lot give me Kevin O'Connell Okay. Hmm. It's a lot of points Kirk is a bounce back you be I'm gonna take Falcons plus five and a half. I think the Falcons plus I like revenge Kirk. He's probably got those doctors working on his body now. He's back in Minnesota, too Yeah, I couldn't hear what we were doing. He was clipping over there. He's thinking the same thing We're thinking now. Give me the Falcons plus five and a half angle Like Vikings wing though. Yeah, if we're all feeling the same way, he's about cuz I

He is once you get those Those fingers that know your muscles bingo, you know, it's like a muscle memory thing. Once those four older hands start, you know, kind of reworking their way through Kirk, and they say, we're getting to work on Kirk again. And then there's a whole song that is sung. Kirk's gonna feel those good vibes, those good energies, those good fingertips. Maybe don't have as smooth as nails as they once had.

You know, maybe there's like a little sharp nail on one of them. Maybe like a right ring finger, right ring finger of the guy. Doesn't have a completely smooth nail. So at one point while he's doing that thing, Kirk gets scratching the back. But that's just great. We heard it on that quarterback Netflix series. Kirk didn't mind getting his ass kicked and getting right back up. And that's what happened last week.

He got his ass kicked. Now he's going to get back up. Just like's what happened last week. He got his ass kicked. Now he's going to get back up. Just like he's going to be able to get off that bed when that right ring finger scratches the shit out of his hamstring because the nail wasn't completely smooth. Kirk Cousins, yeah, I like it. Plus five and a half. I think the Vikings win, but five and a half feels like it's a good spread.

Jaxville Jaguars getting three and a half traveling up to beautiful Nashville, Tennessee to take on the Titans Tell you what seems like is your big nothing burger in the relevance conversation boys anything to think about whenever we're making this big I think you think about leaving it off the TV Mac. Yeah, we'll love us. This is the poop bowl of all poop bowls I've been really revenge maybe Oh, yeah, but who's getting the ball? That's good. I mean will have it's I mean He's one of the one of the brightest young stars in our league. This is a big, hey, who's going to have the number one overall

pick this year bowl? So I don't know if one team wants to lose more than the other team as well. Doug Peterson wants to lose that one. Give me a, give me a, his future's good, right? He's good down there? Allegedly, his future is good until the end of the season and then they will fire his ass. So that's the current.

Right? That would not be... I mean, unless he has a sweet house. He doesn't look like he's enjoying himself. It might be an Eberflug situation, like I'm about done here. Yeah, you think his moxie's been drained from down here? He's not the Dougie P I remember from the Philly Philly. Yeah, but Dougie P goes down to Jack's Beach two or three times and says, you know, it's beautiful down here He says we'll reload this thing for next year. Maybe Dougie P isn't always completely checked out. It is nice down there

It is it's not bad few pina coladas in the summertime And the best roster in the game We overpaid a quarterback Some people say that he's lame But he's got a bright future This kid's been known for so long And you look at that hair It's growing growing gone

Give me the Tennessee Titans wasn't sure which way you were leaning on that one I'll take the Titans as well minus three okay all right shout to the Titans all right give me the Jets Dolphins five and a half point favorites at home. Gumpy favorite by five and a half at home against an Aaron Rodgers who says hey it's about pride boys. It's about the name on the back of our jerseys and the emblem on the side of our helmets. We signed up to play 17 games. We go down to Miami. We don't go to Tootsies.

We don't go to second floor and get shoulder rubs. We focus on a football game. Dolphins, five and a half at home. Gumpsh, how do you feel? Anthony Walker back and Kendall Fuller back. Big for our defense. I think we bounce back, win this thing. Are you guys still in the hunt?

Oh, we're still in the hunt. Just gotta win out, you know? Pretty easy schedule. Yeah. Just gotta go on the road to Houston, Cleveland, and New York. You gotta win the cold at some point. Yeah, we'll see.

We'll see. They haven't been able to obviously, that's a big storyline. Give me the Jets. Give me the Jets plus five and a half down there in Miami. I think Aaron's going to feel like he's 22 down there in that humidity and that heat. These will be running all over the place.

They need to have a good one at some point. Five and a half feels like a good number. Yeah, I think there's a bit of a trap game maybe for the Dolphins. So give me the Jets. As you said, they're gonna get down there and feel pretty good. And that heat and Gumpy unfortunately might not be that happy after this one. Hard knocks game Cleveland Browns traveling to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Hard knocks AFC North was fantastic on Tuesday night at 9pm Eastern on. Marks. Used to be HBO then it became HBO Max because it used to be Cinemax with some people used to get the lotion out and call Skinimax. Came down to just Max then it was HBO Max then Max wins it's just Mocscks so worth a watch this is going to be a pivotal part of this particular episode coming up this is an old-school rivalry Tans not like in other times and I think NFL films is gonna be able to showcase that broadcast that classic classic AFC North battle here Brown's

gonna win just a few weeks back over the Pittsburgh Steelers now Steelers favored by six and a half at home Tony Diggsers now Steelers favored by six and a half at home Tony digs do you like being favored by six and a half at home? Do you like the sportsbook saying you should win by about a touchdown or do you hate this spot? Knowing that miles Garrett heard what TJ's lack of happiness and JJ's lack of happiness did to him And now they're six and a half point dogs after just getting a win Miles is gonna use that as a chip to stack on his big ass shoulders and he might wreck the game.

What are your thoughts, Tom? Yeah, if you remember that Thursday, us Steelers fans did not have a good feeling about that one. Thursday night, prime time, lone game, everyone's eyes on it on the road in the division against the Browns. That one didn't feel good. This one at home, back at the shore, six and a half point favorites one o'clock game should take care of it feel good about this one okay six and a half aj do you feel good about

the cleveland browns covering or do you think the Steelers have a you know what were the Pittsburgh Steelers yeah i think the pittsburgh Steelers are great i don't know why tones claiming he didn't feel good going on you don't think you can go on the road and win a prime time game you're the Pittsburgh Steelers no no i just did that day just didn't feel good going on You don't think you can go on the road and win a primetime game you the Pittsburgh Steelers No, I just did that day just didn't feel even rounds here my I'll take the Pittsburgh Steelers minus six and a half at home And I can't wait to watch on hard knocks how it all came to Cleveland has lost the last 20 regular season games in Pittsburgh

Well, I can still lose this. I don't know why you throw that stuff. I like that little announcer curse. Throw in Jameis to throw in a row. Well, it's Moss bad at this point. I mean, yeah, he's going to give the ball to the Pittsburgh Steelers once. No, he might throw for. I think he talked to our Lauren Sabres. That was just for pick sixes. Pick sixes. He knows that the Lord can't deliver him from picks. Yeah, guys will get tackled. They won't be able to score. That's asking a lot. So Deliver us from pick sixes arise from the ashes. Amen Saints New York Giants

Giants getting four at home against a gritty Saints team without Jason Hill Let's go to Bruce Brown in the back Bruce. Is there any reason we should pick the New York football Giants? No, the only reason is that it's our last chance to win this season. That's the only upside, neighbors not practicing, sexy decks, he's done for the year. Nice upstart rookie tight end, Theo Johnson, he's done for the year. I'm excited about a undrafted linebacker that we got coming back off the IR. I'm excited to watch him play, but no real reason.

You know what I'm excited about over there? We took the roof off at the MetLife. Darren Rizzi's gonna blow out the bottom of that place before that game starts with a big old dump. We know that. He's a routine guy, and I think he has his team ready to go into MetLife. Give me the Saints minus four and a half.

I- Minus four, not half. Minus four, yeah, okay. Yeah, Saints minus four, I am with I might sport not have my sport. Yeah, okay Yeah, thanks my sport. I am with you for sure I don't I can't pick against Rizzi and I don't know what the New York Giants like what do the Giants look like next year? Oh, yep Absolute poop. I'll go yeah, they might have Bill Belichick as their head coach though, right? Hey, coach to you. I mean cool. There's a dirt hopefully Joe Shane John Mara said like hey, I don't expect to make changes so there I think there's

a chance he's just lying but he said that so I don't know maybe that they they roll run it back with him. He also said like I don't want to get rid of that guy and then they get rid of that guy so you know Mara how much weight is he you know is that guy able to make a decision at this point that's a whole nother take from from the hard knocks that I don't even want to dive into. Like, Mara, the owner of the team, clearly, very clearly and evidently, did not want to move on from Seq 1. Now, I respect and appreciate him saying, hey, I hired a general manager, you do your job. But with how it's working out now, you got to wonder like, hey, why didn't Mara pound the table

for his guy as an owner? But then if he's two hands on now, he's Jerry Jones, that's a tough spot to be in over there, and they suck. Give them to Saints. I like the Saints. Let's go. Raiders-Buccaneers. Raiders getting six and a half. Tough game last week for that Raiders team. You know, tough, tough game. Antonio Pierce said, let's call it like it is. We're the worst team, they're the best team. Let's change the narrative. How it goes. Buccaneers, hot team. Okay. Tampa Bay. What Baker Mayfield has been able to do down there. Mike Evans had that

bananas catch last week. Absolutely bananas. He's going to have a touchdown. That seemingly happens every single week. I like this Tampa Bay Buccaneers where they're headed. Give me them favored by six and a half at home. I'm gonna ride with you here Tampon Bay at home minus six and a half. Yeah, I feel like they win by hopefully 10 14 points Raiders I'm not sure same another team. Hey, what do they look like next year as well future? Who knows? I don't know if it looks bright or not Ladies and gentlemen, we have arrived at a bird game Seahawks taking on the courts Wow and I do find some real solace that in a bird heavy team, or league, the greatest bird in the league right now is the American Bald Eagle.

In the Philadelphia Eagles. Amen. I have a family of these fucking things living outside my house. They're big. These things are big. and when they take off It's like one of those small planes that you like to fly on age take it off It's like the Wright brothers are taking off from the front yard. It is insane and they are a

Savage animal. I mean they will pick a duck up bash it off of ice and eat it right in front of you So I like you know that the Eagles are the strongest bird of a bunch of bird mascots in the NFL. Now these two birds, Seahawks, Cardinals, wow, both very much in conversation. Cardinals, holy hell, this team is going to be leading the NFC West at some point in this particular season. Oh yeah, Kyler Murray is going to have his best season as a leader and as a quarterback for the card. Oh yeah. Well, how about the Seahawks? They just kick Pete Carroll out of the building brought in a defense coordinator from Baltimore Ravens They don't have figured out do they? Gino's too old. They finally wrote back Now they're both very much in it for that NFC West and don't look down the Rams also playing good football. I will take

The Seattle Seahawks plus two and a half in Arizona AJ Okay, so I know that I know head coach just had a kid his first child this week, correct? The Seattle Seahawks plus two and a half in Arizona. AJ, who you like? So I know the head coach just had a kid, his first child this week, correct? Yeah, yeah, baby boy. Sweet baby boy. Baby boy. That a lot of times can give you that extra oomph you need, but I will take the Cardinals at home minus two and a half.

Little baby McDonald. Baby McDonald had a name. It was when the first game of WI and the game. WI and the game. WI and the game. And baby McDonald won it. That's what I think. He's going to be in a front-facing baby Bjorn,

I heard. Yeah. On the floor. Call him place. Yep. Call him place. Baby headset. Yeah, on the phone. Call him plays. Call him plays. Baby headset, yeah. Buffalo Bills, Los Angeles Rams, and the Buffalo Bills are awesome to watch.

Fun, fun team to watch play football. Their jubilance is something that radiates through the screen whenever you see them. From the offense to the defense special teams even It's like that bills team and we talked about the Detroit Lions being America's team You know because everything and the story and how Dan Campbell goes about operating how they play and how tough they are And it's like easy to fall in love with the Lions. It certainly is and Foxy I love that your team's doing that for you. I do Foxy But this Beals, you watch them play, it's easy to fall in love with them too, especially

with their history as a team. Especially with their recent history and long-term history of the Buffalo Bills. With their fan base, this team feels different. So I think Bills Mafia invades Los Angeles for this one completely. This is going to be a Bills Mafia game. This is a home game for Josh Allen. And I think the Bills win in a big way Even though I like where the rams are and where the rams are headed at the moment

I think you hit it right in the head. You said the uh, the buffalo fans they invade la absolutely Can you imagine the great weekend? They're probably flying out this morning getting there having a beautiful weekend la seeing the sights seeing everything And then go hopefully win a game on sunday. So yeah bills minus three and a half in LA There was a group of dudes that are very important I just walked around here in the back and the guy and I don't think we should show I think they are a very Important crew there the guy in the back might have the greatest helmet in the history. I might grow my hair out like that Yeah Unbelievable flow I got you please stand Stand the government is God is God unbelievable flow on the side

I mean Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir for existing. That was all we didn't know it. I mean this thing was This thing was Hulkster, you know, but real but all It was awesome no bandana though either that was It was. It was. It was awesome. No bandana, though, either. That was real. He wanted to showcase his whole head. You know, wanted to showcase his whole head. Shout out to that guy.

He was a nice man, too. He was a very good wave. If you have a helmet like that, I assume you're a good guy. OK, let's go to the Bears 49ers. Z, you think you guys got this one or what? Very close the last few weeks very close It doesn't help DJ more and Deandre Swift both have quad injury. They haven't practiced yet. I imagine

This is like a Pittsburgh Steelers offense traveling a Cincinnati game potentially in the way Tony digs described it I don't think you're gonna travel out Yeah, okay. So give me the Niners Niners need one too I don't think we have a running back. Yeah, OK, so give me the Niners. Niners need one, too. Need one. But the interim bump. And there's an interim bump?

There is an interim bump. There is. Does that outweigh the dirt line? But there's also Niners must win for the eighth straight week in the row. Yeah, give me the Niners here as well, pal. Berendos, the starting running back now. Who's kind of been?

Hold on. Didn't this happen earlier in the year where I said there's no way the interim bump isn't going to work? Yeah. Saints. Yeah, it was Saints. Uh-oh. And then what I say, I say I'm never listening to that I said there's no way the interim bump isn't gonna work. Yeah, it was And then what I said I said I'm never listening to that again. I have to do the interim bump Did I say that? I'm all over it. You did. You did.

All right, I'll take the Bears plus three. Let's go. I mean the vibes in San Fran are super good right now, though I'm hearing like that. Excuse me. I don't know if I'm hearing the same thing Diggs What are you guys hearing? I want to hear what you guys are hearing. I'd like to be a part of that. No, there was a chance I was being sarcastic. Oh. Oh, Age. Age is hearing stuff for real.

Age, what are you? I don't know. I was hoping they were keeping a positive outlook. I know things haven't gone the way that they like. They're not celebrating touchdowns anymore? What are you talking about? They're not celebrating touchdowns anymore? What do you mean?

We got to win games to celebrate. Somebody said something about Yuscek check following that ball on the goal line All right Somebody they were saying it on the Internet wasn't worried about ball. I didn't say Give me the Bears plus three and a half. I hate it, but let's do it. Yeah That's tough It's tough bump though. I don't know if the inner bump was factored in with starting wide receiver and running back out.

I don't know if that changes it. I think it does. Hey, how are you? Hey, team. Hey, team. You're a handsome man. What's up, brother? There's some very impressive people walking through here.

I want to let you know. Very powerful looking people. Good quads. A lot of good bases on these people like that you know I start to wonder if things are gonna happen like do you attack and you go from the bottom and just kind of like you know if you have to take them down how you the good base on all these guys walking around so a lot of taxis that corduroy is that corduroy on the coat on the elbow patch yeah Yeah, that's Georgia. Elbow patches. That's right, can't be beat. Yeah, we got cowboys, yeah.

Elbow patches are normally a Georgia thing. I assume there's gonna be some really powerful people that have a lot of security with them at this game tomorrow. I am gonna assume. DJ? I, maybe, I don't know. Last year, right? Yeah, last year.

I thought, no. This feels like one, right, doesn't it? But if that's the case case there would have to be like Which might be what's going on right now? Yeah, maybe I know that What's that next weekend, right? Yeah, I'm Philly They have you ever heard about what they have to do the building to get her to the stadium No, so obviously you got to put like they put bulletproof glass in the suites But the suites already have glass so they have to replace the glass with the bulletproof glass in the suites, but the suites already have glass, so they have to replace the glass

with the bulletproof glass. And then they actually obviously have to have the entire area secure, and then they gotta have people in a bunch of different spots. And some of these lookout spots already have a bunch of people that are a part of it. Well, we need to add more people in there, because these guys actually are the senior operating guys

that are in this thing. So it is a full on, it's kind of fun to watch them like map it out it's like oh this is this is this is yeah can't be having president get shot at a fucking SEC championship game but first of all how did they get the gun in here speaking of that sidewalk thing in New York City it showed up in my dreams last night to Connor yeah it's real if you're thinking about it and you watch enough I said yesterday I had a dream I got shot yesterday after watching the by the same person no no it's just that situation yeah right is that what you're

talking about just walking through a parking lot here's someone behind you and you just walk a little faster and then poof and then you wake up holy fuck but you're still alive that didn't happen to me guy missed shout out to me you made my dream shot to me yeah cuz I was walking with a lot of anxiety I don't remember if it was a sidewalk or a parking lot it's weird how your dreams have the ability to do that just like yeah you're at your house but it's not like your house at all like you were your dream break you know like that whole thing I'm walking I hear turn peak you know, like that whole thing. I'm walking, I hear, turn, peak, you know, quick peak. Boom, didn't crocodile walk or whatever it was.

Didn't alligator, zigzag. Didn't do the zigzag walk, but did bail. And then I got into a chase, and then I woke up like obviously sweating. I mean, it was a full thing. That video being, the way that just happened is crazy to think about. And then you see the internet said that he was smitten with some girl and he was like hey Wanted to flash a smile. That's all

Saw that Also saw who knows if that's real. Yeah people also saying clearly not the same person So there has been some debate over that too as well. Yeah, cuz jackets different colors, but is it the lighting in the place? I mean there's that That happening in real world has messed me up. Just won't let everybody know and I'm gonna get better from it I'm gonna get tougher from it. We got one last game to pick chargers Chiefs is the chief still the chiefs to the tune of a four-point favoritism at home

against AFC West rival Los Angeles Chargers. H, who do you like? How do you like it? So I'm taking the Chiefs because I take the Chiefs every week and I think I get beat every single time. I'm taking the Chiefs at minus four and they probably win but I feel good at the end. So yeah, there we go. Okay, I will take the Chargers because I like you normally take the Chiefs and then we inevitably heartbreak. I think Chiefs still win game because the Chiefs is still the Chiefs and that's what the Chiefs do.

Four points is a lot, congrats to the Chargers in my eyes. That's a good slate AJ, you did a great job. Ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, we are at a part of the season where awards are being given out to NFL players. There's the Offensive Rookie of the Year, there's the Defensive Rookie of the Year, the Offensive rookie of the year, there's a defensive rookie of the year, the offensive player of the year, defensive player of the year, there's a salute to service award winner who crossed the NFL who has helped out or given back to the military more than

anybody else. There's obviously the MVP, there's so many things, but the one that is held in the highest of regards by most players and buildings is the Walter Payton man of the year. Ladies and gentlemen, it is an absolute honor to get a chance to chat with a few of these guys who have been selected by their teams for what they do in the communities in which they live from the Buffalo Bills. Ladies and gentlemen, absolute dog, Dion Docky.

How you doing, man? What you doing man? What up man? I appreciate y'all. I be seeing that and it's you guys take and take a lot of indignity and watching the right film, man. Cause you know, the trenches is where it gets real treacherous. Okay. So AQ Shipley actually broke down some film because they were trying to punish you for a move that you were AQ I think said the greatest of all time at which is the swat down on a bull rush and these refs weren't keeping an eye on it so then all of a sudden they think it's a holding it's like uh-uh

I just utilized their leverage with my athleticism and beat them so I I appreciate you seeing that that was all AQ Shipley you said you were getting robbed out there Dion. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you the truth. It is, it's an art. It's an art. It's a dangerous move. Cause if you don't do it the right way, you could end up in the quarterback's lap. But when it comes down to it,

it's finally a chance where, you know, you could kind of be the attacker and not be attacked. Cause like, you know, like this offensive line thing, it's a different world now where these quarterbacks, they're dropping back and passing. So your left tackle, your right tackle, your inside interior, you gotta really keep the guys away from the quarterback. So we have to figure out ways to change it up. Cuz realistically, if you're doing something 50 plays against Chris Jones or 50 plays against Miles Garrett like

like it's unrealistic for them to keep doing the same thing over and over and over and them not win like one they're usually the better athlete and two you have to have a change up like like a curveball and baseball like if a pitcher throws a speedball every every, it's a home run. Like these guys are pros. But yeah, it's a change up. I call it the ice pick. But you know, that chop move is something that I'm taking very, very serious.

And I enjoy doing it because the defensive ends hate it and they hate snow for it. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you get ice pick, giving them a face full of it, especially up there in Buffalo is a beautiful move and all the defensive end and pass rushers talk about having a game plan and having multiple tools and multiple clubs in their bag. I think you're the first offensive lineman that I've heard that like, yeah, I need multiple tools as well. Let's talk about you guys cheating though. Offensive lineman jumping off sides, every single play you want the office away.

I feel like you want the office away. The whole conversation was these tacklers are getting off the ball They're in the backfield their heads got to break the ass and then you like first week whenever that was conversation You were like in front of the center. Actually you were you're like, I don't want to hear it. Yeah So that was on purpose obviously Pat yeah, but I be I be I'll be playing playing games, bro I enjoy to push the button and I definitely made it a point to to line up extremely close to the line of scrimmage where I could have been off sides my way and I was kind of

in front of the centers like the ball and you know I just took it to a greater point to say hey look I'm a line up way, way ahead and I'm still gonna beat you into your spot. Cuz like, one, I'm kinda like at the point where I just wanna demand the right and respect and I'm just pressing that button. Hey, you meant- Yeah, I love that. We wanna let you know we love your game, brother. We love your game. Go ahead.

Yeah, sorry for stepping on there, Pat. So the swipe, the ice pick as you call it you said if you if you don't execute it right you end up in the quarterback slap so what is the risk reward for you there because every time you lose use it it looks like it works to us it thing is it's a thing of beauty how violent it is too so like Pat's taking he's taking a drop there if you go to strike and you don't get it what happens they bowl you right into the quarterback they could they could bowl you right in the quarterback cuz you know like when you chop down like you you kind of lose all of

your base and you know coaches teach you to have your base in and your lower half and the end to be well well grounded But you know like when you go to attempt to chop down You have to kind of retreat you have to retreat to get the hand off you or sometimes you have to kind of retreat. You have to retreat to get the hand off you, or sometimes you have to kind of move your body in a different way just to get their hands in a different feeling so you can swipe them down. But you know, with the wrestling that I'm doing, I was talking to Gable,

and he's having a ball. But you know, I used it to my advantage. You know, like Gable, the Olympic wrestler was here. So I'm trying to ask him, like, bro, what can I do? What, like, what do you feel when you snatch down? What are you doing when you shoot and your take down and techniques? And I'm just picking and choosing. And then I train like fighting and off season.

So I have a good feeling of when people's pushing here to try to bait you and I just use it against them. But yes, um, when your base comes from underneath you, it is a vulnerable position, but you got to be confident. Like you have to be confident in what you're doing. Hey, they're saying that, uh, offensive line numbers are dwindling, you know? And I think there's been numerous people that have come out and said like, Hey, they're saying that offensive line numbers are dwindling, you know, and I think there's been numerous people that have come out and said like, hey, if you're a big person, there's

opportunity in football at the offensive line position, like younger kids, like, hey, there's opportunity to get in there. Do you think wrestling, off of what you just said, what do you think is like the best indicator that somebody could be a good offensive lineman? Is it like agility? Is it athletic? What do you think is like the, why do you think you've had so much success? Do you think it is the wrestling and the balance or what is it?

It's it's balanced, bro. It is it is definitely balanced. You have to be aware of your body, right? Because we're all bigger guys. But you have to be aware of what you can and cannot do like, like I am an extreme sport is like I really am I push it to To the limit like from snowboarding to longboarding to scootering to rollerblades to to ice skating to Even doing gymnastics class and with the kids like everything I take into consideration And I put it into one ball so I could throw my snowball effect so Out there you got a back flip out the round off back flip You know I actually, I actually do. I actually do.

And there's pictures of it. And I do those before practice on Fridays. And they put those up. Yeah. And they put the, we call it the cut bag. But when you run and you cut and when you lay out flat so you don't hit the ground, yes, I do backflips on those on usually Fridays or

Thursday afternoons but how what are your dims what are we height and weight here what are we what is your height and weight you know Pat I think it could be I'm 6'4 6'5 on a great day and on a good day you know I'm probably about 340 342 338 depending on what I 65 65 348 Okay, doing a fucking backflip. Yeah Yeah, let's find those guys those kids yeah those kids exist forget everything I just asked Exactly exactly AP tone has a question for you do you on yeah, do you on yeah? We talked about getting healthy at the right time and staying healthy for the playoff run.

You guys are getting Matt Milano back, who is just awesome. And he hasn't played in a long time. What's it like going to be getting Matt back on the field? First of all, nice freaking hat. Thank you. When I see this hat, I'm like, lock them doors and turn them lights. Oh, no. Hey, yo, but having Milano back, it's a good feeling.

But you know, everything is energy, everything is confidence. And when you get one of your guardians back and one of your nights, it's a positive feeling like when you're going out to practice or when he's on the football field And I don't play in defense. I don't know what it is like when he's actually on the football field, but I know of his presence when when he's around and suited up and it's a confident thing because It's it's just like having like all your hitters all your hitters are here and we're healthy and we're there you know it could only put you in the in the right spirit and

healthy and we're there you know it could only put you in the in the right spirit and Milano is definitely one of those guys he's been here and with me we got drafted together for eight years and having him around it just brings up that confidence of you know what we have our best punch for whatever we're about to go out and do on Sunday Thursday or Monday night let's talk about you guys on Sunday Monday Thursday in America, Europe, I think Australia is coming, you know, whenever you guys, this team is a new iteration of this Buffalo Bills team. Do you feel that way? And what are the vibes like with this team versus maybe previous teams of Buffalo Bills? Yeah, we are definitely our best version

of ourself. This is the best football team that I've been on and previous years we've had great players too like and you know everybody wants to compare it to how is it now not not having digs, how is it now not having some of those some of those big names but with the team that we have now it's more guys that don't really have that overall golden star. So, you know, it seems like everybody is not fighting for that royalty, but, you know, everybody has a giant chip on their shoulder because they haven't crossed that threshold. And you've been on teams and when guys are at that point of tipping over and knocking those Jenga chips down, like it's like it's literally at that point now where it's like we have a bunch of

guys that are like right at that verge like all right he could get paid all right he could be the highest paid okay he could be a leader in this and you know everybody is kind of fighting and at that point everybody's at that level of jumping off of that cliff onto the other side and when you have a team full of those guys and not just you Know one two or three It's a it's it's a different vibe because everybody's hungry everybody's chewing at that bone. There's only one piece and people are eating That's what I was trying to say a hungry talented team is obviously the most dangerous

But you guys have a culture to it feels like feels like there's a culture already very much in play you bring Micah back I think just like within the last couple days back in the building. Is there a- Yeah. Micah what? Micah just walked out of the, of the cafeteria. What up, E-Roe? Yeah.

Hey, what up, E-Roe? Hey, good to see you, E-Roe. Good to see you, E-Roe. Sorry. Micah coming back. The culture, easy. You guys already have the culture in place of what a Buffalo Bill is and what that building is like or no?

Yeah, it's forming, Pat. It's definitely forming. I think the formula and the aura of what it is now, we're depending on the big guys. The big guys have to be right. The big guys have to play right. When you get late into the season November December January February you have to be very very good up front on both sides of the football we have to keep Josh

clean you know everybody's bodies are getting achy you're getting through the the last pinch of the season and uh it's more of um I want to say run but I don't really think so. So I don't know. Like now even thinking about it, I don't, I don't really know. Cause you know, Josh is, Josh is throwing it guys are catching it, but you know, every day and every week the mindset is we have to lean up on the big guys to win a football game. So the pressure is on us. Isn't it always going to be football?

That's why the in the trenches segment happens with AQ because it's like the teams that are having good offensive line are going to be the teams that are around in the end. That's always been football. Absolutely. That's always that. Yep. Yep. And that's the real deal because it's a one-on-one game and your five like up front have to be at their best to have a chance, just a chance because your running back has to take the pressure off the QB and the QB has to be able to stand back and back there and pass. But you are correct are correct James and Ray James and Ray are insane Let alone Josh Allen being able to run whatever he wants It's like you guys have so many weapons and so many powerful positions feels like no for sure

Yeah, Ray Ray had came on board young guy Physical I was I was very I was very very shocked. I was very very shocked about physical he is and you know cook cook just consistently gets better every year and The beautiful thing is that he has a brother that played and has done it So now he's you know He always like has that chip of I want to be better and that's what we see weekend and then and we go Connor has a question for you. Yeah, yeah Fans so talking to you really sucks all the bills fans are cool

Cool shit, so it really does blow one of the coolest bills players that we've seen on social media is Matt Collins Can you just explain kind of what Matt Collins is all about? We saw him walk into the game and he had no shoes on and he was wearing a mad scientist costume then we've heard he also doesn't use utensils so are you walking in his hands and shit or like what what is this interesting guy ever bro he is he is he is a he is a unique type of dude bro like like I'm telling you he will he would literally not wear shoes anywhere, right? You're talking about the bathroom. It's like about the shower. You're talking about walking to practice You're talking about walking into a game and it's just like dog like you're taking it too far

But if that's you we accept and it too with the with the mad scientist thing It's just like it's just like dude, bro. You are you are Let it out like come on dog. you are just a different type of dude. Like look at this guy. I love him to death because we accept them, but I have never met somebody like Mac. You know, he just continues to just be himself. And that's the beautiful part about Buffalo is we accept people for their true form. But you want to talk about a unique, unique unique unique guy that you'll never understand Mac Collins is one of those guys that you will never figure

out and eat a brownie and put like peanut butter on it and then walk downstairs with his shoes off and drip some on his feet and take it and lick it and eat it like come on dog what you doing your answer when he said sometimes we think he takes it a little bit too far but it's cool we accept you the amount of the amount of that really really okay yeah all right we love it we love it we love what you're doing this like come on look man i got a science guy i think uh my i like the grounding theory you know i've never done it myself but just on frozen cement

I don't know if he's getting the proper grounding results. But hey, hey, he played great ball. He played great football Yeah, it's it's not even the cold ground. It's the salt bro. It's the salt. That's all it's that in his feet alive Oh my god, it's probably cutting them up and making them. Yeah, but yeah, man, it's a It's a different vibe He's good at fixing garages though. AJ sent me a video from his Instagram He put some garage D 40 not wd 40 garage D 40 on one of the tracks on the Garage and he said this is how you fix it when I got done I was like he literally just did a how-to video on how to fix a

Garage, I love it. Is he just a handyman too? He's fixing a building. What he's just saying, everything he's everything. So he, he's just, he's, he's a helper. But like, he's like a helper man. So like, look at him. Like, I love it. He is, he is Bob the builder, bro. I love it to death bro. He is Bob the Builder bro. Max the Builder. Put some WD-40 on it and keep it going. Hey Dion before we let you go, we have to talk about why we wouldn't have you on. Congrats on Walter Payton Man of the Year.

Okay that's a big deal obviously. Massive respect especially in that Buffalo community. And how much that Bills team is synonymous with the town. Walter Payton Man of the Year, I don't know how many times you've been nominated from the Buffalo Beals. Is this first time? Third time. You're a dog. Thank you for representing the NFL in a beautiful fashion. We would like to say that. And what does this mean every time you kind of win this award? What do you, how do you view it at this point? It's a beautiful thing. First of all. It's one of my biggest honors. It's one of the biggest honors I could ever receive because it can't be bought, it can't be faked,

and it comes from pure heart and pure love, right? Like every year you have a different football team, right? So I have different teammates, I have different people, and you know, Walter Payton, man of the year, is voted by your peers, is voted by the building, it's voted by the management and the community. And for what I take the most of it is every year my teammates come in, some that don't know me, some that just see of what they see of me, and it takes a season for them to really like understand who you truly are and for them to put my name down on a piece of paper and say you know Deon is doing right in his

community, I'll put his name down. That is a big honor that I'm accepted and loved by my peers and I'm leading in the right way for the community and for this Buffalo Bills Organization because it's an honor to be in the league and it's an honor to be in a position to lead and I'm truly blessed in that in that fourth and I'm thankful every day and you know Pat with Like we'll be in alignment right and we'll be in alignment We don't really get what the quarterback or the running back or the receivers of what I call of the skinnies get you know And this is something that that I am thankful for and I'm thankful to lead in the right way I'll tell you what you fats are good people too, but you fats are good people

Yo, you're one of a kind, bro. This guy, bro. You're hot. We appreciate you, dude. We appreciate you being a good human, though, man. Yeah, because the negativity hogs publicity, okay? So whenever there's good, I feel like we need to put a spotlight on it, and you're certainly that. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. Thank you, brother, for real. The real deal, man. It's an honor. It truly is. You can come on anytime you want to come anytime you want so literally because you know we have three hours to fill every fucking day so anytime you just want to come on in you have an open open

invitation brother it's just the shit I'm with it bro I appreciate that you're at that slap fest you're at that slap fest that we were at when that one lady knocked out that other lady and Travis Scott was there. Remember Travis did a stand up. That is one of the most insane things I've ever, have you been to numerous ones of those? Yes man, they are one of a kind. I am a Dana fan and I still kind of can't believe that people just stand up there and slap each other.

But yeah, but it's entertaining. It's entertaining. And, you know, this, this, this is an entertainment world. But the fact that people can stand there and take a hit like that and stand there and just throw another one. It's a, it's a tip my hat because I know I ain't standing there and getting slapped. You know, I'm right there in the stands, a burger have a drink and vibe out yeah and also if you do get smacked in the mouth you're gonna chop those hands down and

I'm chopping them down right before they get to my face you know what I'm saying you can fall on them all right we appreciate you ladies and gentlemen Elon Dawkins you're the man. He's awesome. The best. He's so good at football. So athletic. Does backflips? Yeah that's the thing that's not fair like say you're a young kid you want to play you want to be a lineman in the NFL and you see this guy okay cool the guy can do backflips he said he can he skateboard snowboard longboard ice skate he just can do it all he has great feet obviously That's another huge thing for offensive lineman all the great lineman have really

basketball everything is he still on or is he gone he's gone Yeah, let's call him back. I Zito reminded me so bone, you know bone in our office. Yeah D bone Incredible graphics maker phenomenal this guy football guy D-Bone. Incredible graphics maker. Phenomenal. This guy, football guy. D3 left tackle. Okay, national champion. Congrats to him. He has thin feet. He has thin feet. He's a left tackle. He has very thin feet. And I asked, I genuinely asked, was that the big separator you think between D-Bone and like making D-Bone pretty athletic? He's got a good jumper great jumper feels like he's got good feet He feels like he's nimble, but he's got thin feet. I feel like that's a disadvantage

Yeah, I've never met somebody with thin feet first of all as first person I met with thin feet then the fact that he was an offensive lineman I was very I did not I was like mind, but I just assume you want to have fat ass feet You would like to you more more land. You just assume you want to have fat ass feet. Or you would like to get more land. You know, you'd like to be grounded a little bit more. I never met somebody. He's first one. He's got these nice new boots.

Nice new boots. Great boots. These things look like a canoe. Canoe though. I mean, it is a thing of beauty. Joining us, ladies and gentlemen, three time Pro Bowler, Deon Dawkins. Deon, quick question, I apologize. do you have fat feet or thin feet do you know?

I got thinner medium I'll say medium I'm right in the middle man. Okay yeah but those are kind of stretching a little bit out there you know I see I have those spare shoes. It's the it's the it's the snow it's the it's the snow it's the hot and cold you know contrast yeah it doesn't okay got it yeah don't do backflips out there don't do back there no no no no i'm off that super bowl yeah amen yo good luck out there dion we appreciate your laser job with dion dog yeah dion beautiful facility there did you see that shit that looked Yeah, amen. Good luck out there, Dion. We appreciate you. Thanks for the job, Dion Dawkins. Yeah, Dion. Beautiful facility there. Did you see that shit?

Yeah. That looks like the inside of a mall. That was sweet. All these facilities. So he's got medium-sized feet. His feet look fatter than D-Bone's, but I guess that was a false theory. They did. That was a false theory. That was a perspective thing from the camera. Shout out to DoorDash, by the way. Shout out.

Thank you, DoorDash. Thank you, DoorDash. Love you, DoorDash. I think DoorDash is down here. I think I saw a you door. Dash. Love you door. I think door dash is down here I think I saw a big door dash thing in the convention because you know tomorrow's game days down here in the convention center Mm-hmm, and at the beginning of game day, it's not as packed I don't think as many people get in but then as the day rolls on as game day rolls on like that It's a fun. What is it? Is that a super fun zone? What is yeah, it's like a super fun baseball experience

Yeah, it's like I think it's all famous there. Is it close to that? Yeah, it's. It's like a super fun baseball experience Yeah, it's like I think the college football hall of fame is there is it close to that? Yeah, it's I don't know how close that I think it's in the area here But this convention center. Yeah, because I think it's connected you can walk through it There's a thing but the room that we're in in the convention center They have this they have like uh looks like they have like one of the pitching machine It's like a full-on experience that's happening there And then game day is right at like the point of it. So as that fills up, which it does, you get some electrifying experience in there tomorrow.

Should be good. Timothy Chalamet. Hell yeah. Listen Al-Ghaib. Al-Ghaib! Okay, so I didn't know who he was. This guy's a big deal. I think people were real jacked up about him

being on College Game Day. I think a lot real jacked up about him being on college game day I think a lot of people who didn't know who he was Were very confused on how he's the guy I guess he he's a big fan of college game day Like he's a big college football big college game day fan dog. Where would I know him from? Conman I mean Lisa now guy he is from dune He's a big dune guy, but he's been a bunch of stuff recently. He did the younger Willy Wonka I don't know if you saw that at all, but the Dune movies I would say are bigger projects as of recently You probably know too. What else is he being in? No. Yeah, I don't think he's probably been in anything

You've seen he's gonna be Bob Dylan in a movie coming out That's getting a lot of steam people saying he might you know win an Oscar for that But yeah, Dune hey that was good for that right like yeah Aren't they saying he did like a good job being Bob Dylan yeah a lot of people telling him like hey you can't do that like his voice is too distinct like it just this could be really really bad and then they heard him like playing the guitar and singing because he did all the songs himself and they're like holy shit like that's incredible so that's Timothy is Timothy on a on a rocket ship right now

yes yeah what an honor I can't wait to meet him tomorrow I think he's gonna be So is Timothy on a rocket ship right now? Yes. What an honor. I can't wait to meet him tomorrow. I think he's going to be part of the kicking event. I think he's going to be part of the kicking segment. I don't think he's kicking, but I think he just kind of wanted to hang out. Can I come out? Sorry, can you get Tham when they batting cage?

Just hit me. If you have a batting cage, put a helmet on and Tham will take a few cuts. Yeah, well, I'm okay with it. We're in Pete Thamel season right now Yep. Mm-hmm. We are in Pete Thamel season right now with the coaching openings and then fines happening last week And then you know who's in who's out championship games playoff implications future of it We are currently welcome to it Pete Thamel season. We are in it. So there is yes, I agree I I love Pete Thamel., we are in it. So there is, yes, I agree. I love Pete Thamel.

I love the way his brain operates. I love the way he distributes information and we're in the middle of it. And I'm excited for him to maybe, you know, tip off who's gonna be the West Virginia coach maybe. Ooh. When do you think we find that out? I'm not sure.

Not sure. Tonight, Rich Rod plays tonight, right? So he can't accept it yet and he's got ballgame Hey, I don't know So I've stayed out of it. I've tried my best to stay out of it completely even though you know certainly would like to know what's going on and a lot of people who want the job have reached out to me to Say like hey if I get job Will you support me? Pretty much.

And that's a weird thing to receive. I wanna let that be known. I do not think I deserve that type of access or question from a lot of people. That's why whenever I say like, hey, a lot of people want this job, it's like, I think with the way jobs are working out right now, like there's not a lot of jobs up right now.

And with the way people are watching this college football playoff, a lot of the people from our generation or around our generation, they've seen West Virginia be like number one in the country, number two in the country. They've seen ratings be bananas for West Virginia football. They played NCAA 2K with Pat White and Steve, so they know the brand of West Virginia.

So there's a lot of coaches that I think are being sought after by a lot of big time jobs or will be when the next big time job opens up. Don't break the desk. There is a lot of that happen. Those people all like, I think the West Virginia job is very, very, very desirable and even against everybody else that's kind of up. And Bill Belichick didn't interview for the West Virginia job, but he said to me the other day, I'll talk to you about that whenever I said you want to coach a West Virginia

I should have followed up I guess I should have I should have followed up if he had a joke yeah if you interviewed through North Carolina he would definitely interview for West Virginia well there's people though out out there that are like the UNC job is better than a West Virginia job and it's like can you win your college you can win the conference if you're at West Virginia and you can get in the college football win the conference if you're at West Virginia. And you can get in the college football playoff and you have a fan base that is a football fan base, even though there is good basketball, which shout out to Ren Baker getting that hiring right.

Okay? So it's like, I think both these jobs, obviously good places, UNC, desirable spot, beautiful colors in North Carolina. You can do that whole thing, but it's like, everybody that I've heard from that wants a job is like, this is where we will turn down other job opportunities to coach at West Virginia. It's like, that's great to hear. Now, I can't publicly promote anybody now,

because I got so many conversations that are happening, but I've been out of it. I'm just letting Ren know, hey, this person reached out to me. I don't know if you know. Obviously, you do. Okay, sweet. Good luck out there. He's casting a wide net.

Think he's making some decisions. He knows that this is gonna be it for him. You know, this is a big deal for him. Because he could have done the easy thing and hired an independent counsel to do it. So then he could point blame at them. But instead he's like, this is me. I know this is me.

46 years old. I mean, you're talking about getting every other hiring right. I trust him, I appreciate him. And I know there's a lot of very, very, very good football coaches that want that job. So I'm pumped about it. So good luck to the Iowa State and Arizona State folks. Okay? Good luck.

Enjoy while you have it. Yeah, because yeah, guess who's coming back? It's that flying WV baby. And I can't wait for it. I got people. Thank you so much. You know, I got people reaching out to me to get to you that want the job Yeah, you you did act as a liaison there, so I appreciate you doing that. Thank you for doing that well The general is gonna be unbelievable

Bobble throw his hat in it was not Bob who Bob hasn't reached out yet But Bob you'll throw his hat in the ring a bobby trying to play there's been numerous people that I thought there's been There's been a lot of people that have reached out to, but Bobby will throw his hat in the ring. I thought Bobby was trying to play. There's been numerous people that I thought, there's been a lot of people that have reached out to me that I thought would be like, no, wouldn't want the West Virginia job. You're not going to save and wait for, like Ben Johnson. You know, like Ben Johnson, everything he said about a job that I take is going to have to have these stipulations. It's like, that's because Ben Johnson's got options, you know, and Ben has turned things down and he's proven to be a good coach and we all assume he's

gonna be a great head coach when he has to run it, but it's like a lot of people that I think have turned down a lot of other opportunities are like, nah, we will for West Virginia. We got a chance. And it's because of, to your point, you win the Big 12, you're in a playoff. Once you get in the playoff, anything you just need to win three games, you win a Big 12, you need to win three games, you need to have a team show up. It's like, you can do a lot of shit with the opportunity and the road that's currently there with the 12 team playoff. I'm excited for Wren to do his thing, but I think next week sometime probably getting

an answer probably, if I can guess. From what I've been told. Love that. Desirable job. It's a good thing. It's a good issue for them. Great. Now it sucks for Wren.

It sucks for Wren because he's got to go through all of it. And I couldn't even imagine the amount of this. What would suck worse though is if you're reaching out and people are like, nah, I'm good. People just won't take your calls. Like what if you're trying to interview people and they won't even take your call? Agreed. That is, that would be much, much worse.

And I assume that's happening at some places. You know, shout out to Purdue. Yeah. You know, like that is, Purdue's going to have to get it right. And I don't know how many people are going to want that job. And I think Purdue can get it right, shout out to Purdue. You know, like that is, Purdue's gonna have to get it right and I don't know how many people are gonna want that job and I think Purdue can get it right. Shout out to Purdue, got nothing but respect for Purdue, but with what's going on in Indiana University, you know,

at this exact time, it's gonna be tough to pull from the same recruiting pool, not to Purdue and IU are the same, but you get it, pretty much. And that's gonna be a tough one to get. I think that's gonna be a tough one to turn around, but somebody might be able to do it. Who knows?

Hopefully, West Virginia is able to find somebody that gets us back into national contention, national conversation. And I'm lucky to be a small part of it all. AJ, thank you for making the trip. Gumpy, come on over here, brother. Boys, great work this week up there. Hell yeah, brother.

You too, brother. It was an honor to saddle up next to you guys. It was an honor. Always. And a privilege. Yes. Hey, Gump. You see Gumpy down here? You see Gumpy down here? Hell yeah. Looks good. Good to see guys. Always. And a privilege. Yes. Hey Gump. You see Gumpy down here? You

see Gumpy down here? Looks good. Good to see you boys. Did Gump play some good music on the way there today? Yeah I did actually. Hawk House Bangers is undefeated. I hate to say it AJ. It is good. Gump I've come around. I've come around. You used to only play like the underground stuff. That was terrible. Now you actually play some hits. So thank you. Yeah I'm trying to keep everybody happy here. Yeah, he's gone the complete opposite direction. Instead of the brand new crop, and he's just rolling the dice trying to sell us on it,

he's going old school. He's going back into the catalog. And he kind of has each generation represented in there, but it's only bangers, and it's a lot of bangers. And there's songs that pop up that you haven't heard 10, 15 years, and it's like bangers and it's a lot of bangers and there's songs that pop up there You haven't heard 10 15 years and it's like Gumpy I will remove any any qualms. I will remove Connor had a qualm yesterday. It's out of the playlist. Yeah red shit Yeah, you didn't like

Red Pat didn't like a song the other day. It's out. You let me know you don't like it It can be removed. There was crop the other day. Yeah, it's gone. It was crop when I walked in. Yeah. Trial and error. Yeah, you'll swing a miss sometimes. You've been swinging a hot bat. No, no, no. You've been swinging a hot bat.

He had a double-double from Timmy's. Oh. Got a little wiry. Got a feeling a little wired. Tried to warn you guys about the double-double. What was that Canadian rapper's name that I just learned of yesterday? Oh, man. I looked at it with Drake. He's awesome.

It's not Drake. He actually takes a shot at Drake in one of his songs. So he is on a trip to get to 1 million followers and he's been Canadianizing American songs and I'll tell you what, it is... What do you say, Bigoser with the beat bud? Cross checked but the refs weren't watching. Hey, this is guy big hoser not to be bought dark too soon I was like getting no son put a shot high off the crossbar post rung can't win them all so I'm heading on a Put a shot high off the crossbar post rung can't win a mall. So I'm heading on a turn It is this guy awesome did full hoes are out there. Yeah, what sending it? I'd say he's a rig a unit. Yeah a weapon. Yeah, he needs to be more people need to listen to his songs

Especially people that say they're from Canada and don't understand the references in the East Coast different I told you different world East Coast West Coast Canada completely different big hoser on the beat bud. That's East Coast, different, I told you, different world. East Coast, West Coast, Canada, completely different. Big hoser on the beat, bud. Yeah, that's East Coast. Okay. That's Halifax. Purple hoser. Graphic design crew, good work this week, boys.

Good work, boys. Good work. Skinny feet, D-bone, dirty, mitt, good work, boys. Good job, boys. Big talk, great work, talk. Work. Way to go, talk. The coffee bandit.

Yeah, hey, talk, stop sm stop smoking coffee all over the place bow For sure, but you could it's all clean. I saw some wiping down it today today But the past few days there's been some spills and we're like, what is this and then yesterday around like 630? We or six claw we like licked it up kind of smelted and it was like, okay It's coffee and then we saw talk today spill all that fucking coffee right where the previous spills He is a walk-in spill. We thought it was we thought it was BRC bill. Yeah. Yep bingo No, he doesn't he doesn't waste a drop of barista bills not waste Bill no, no, no talk He's the bill. Hawk was being super weird today. Who, Bill?

No, no, no, Todd. Well, that's cause Todd knows that he's been spilling coffee and people been almost getting the banana on the ground like it's Super Mario and falling all over the place. He'll get right. That's what Todd does. Todd gets right. He does.

That's all he's ever done. All right, boys, it's an honor to be here. Thank you to everybody that set this thing up here. Thank you to the hospitality from the SEC. I got to go learn some stuff for the program tomorrow and what an honor it is to be a part of all of this. Boys, you from the SEC. I gotta go learn some stuff for the program tomorrow and What an honor it is to be a part of all this boys. You're the best. It's already December 6th. Why is he? Paul Revere's midnight ride tomorrow one month till AJ's birthday

on no, is it on the Is that December? I forgot to happy little Santa boys Is that December or is it? I forgot too. Happy little Santa boys. Oh, happy little Santa. Happy little Santa. I hope you left your plates out. We did.

Yeah, big hoes around the beat bud. Happy little Santa. Happy little Santa. What does this mean? What does this mean? You just get like a little present before Christmas. It's a little Santa. An appetizer.

Yeah, you're just trying to be gracious with the people you love. Like a yo-yo would be a little? A t-shirt, some socks. Something you can get in a stocking. Like gloves maybe? Yeah, for sure. Lil' Santa's got a big bag.

Yeah, like those ones Wiley was wearing, like it was minus 20 degrees Celsius. That was a shot across the ballot, a guy named John Wiley. He was trying to offer up gloves to us when we walked in today, and we're like... Are they pumping cold air in there or something? Like what? What do you mean?

What's the hurry? I think they're opening up a tunnel that goes outside and it just blows right in. Remember this whole city is like underground connected. You know, like there's all those underground things and it's, I think it's one of those, but we got to get the hell out of here. They got to do those tests. AJ great work today. Thank you for traveling boys. Can't wait to see it tomorrow night. Can't wait to see you tomorrow night can't wait to see tomorrow night

not Paul yeah Pearl Harbors tomorrow yeah that's a new something that started something different coast that then inspired us all to know that even when the worst things imaginable could happen there are heroes that walk amongst us and we learned of the greatest generation and for that we will forever be thankful even though we'll never forget those fine people out there. Well said. Be a friend tell a friend something nice it might change your life never ever forget that we're in this thing together team on me game day 9 a.m.

Eastern time from the SEC Championship. I believe we got commissioners from multiple conferences coming on. Multiple coaches maybe joining us at the same damn time. Hell yeah. Timothy, Timothy, Shalameh, Shalameh, Shalameh, join us. Timmy shall. Yes we shall. Enjoy it all. Team on me, team on three. I love you boys. Love you too. One, two, three, team. Goodbye!