The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1269 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 17 Recap, Adam Schefter, Bill Belichick, JJ Watt, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: December 30, 2024

On today’s show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys overreact to everything that happened in week 17 of the NFL season and all the different playoff scenarios for both the NFC and AFC, and look ahead to some of the CFP games this week, while also previewing tonight’s Monday Night Football game between the Lions and 49ers that coincidentally means nothing. Joining the progrum to chat about all the different injury news, playoff clinching scenarios, and what changes might eventually be made in terms of coaching and GM’s is ESPN Senior NFL Insider, Adam Schefter. Next, 8x Super Bowl Champion, current Head Coach of the University of North Carolina, the GOAT, Bill Belichick joins the show to check in about what he’s been up to getting North Carolina prepared for next season, situational football in the NFL, resting players after already clinching a playoff spot, and much much more. Later, 3x DPOY, Texans Ring of Honor member, future First Ballot Hall of Famer, analyst for the NFL on CBS, JJ Watt joins the progrum to give his biggest takeaway’s from this past week in the NFL and weighs in on the whole Colts situation. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. Also tune in to ESPN2 for the Field Pass watch along of the Rose Bowl at 5PM Eastern on New Year’s Day. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’ll see you back on Thursday, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this magical Overreaction Monday, December 30th, 2024, this program starts now. Football! It is amazing and obviously the college football play-offs pick right back up on this beautiful week of football mattering. Now there is a football game tonight to wrap up week 17 of the NFL schedule and it means absolutely nothing. That is just a matter of fact the Lions are taking on the Niners and looking ahead to this

season you would think that this would be a showcase, obviously a rematch from last year's playoffs between these two teams. Two teams that are going to be vying for the number one overall seed so let's put them on Monday Night Football it's going to be great I don't blame them and obviously the Niner season has gone how it's gone and now the Lions have worked themselves into a point where their second to last game doesn't matter now for a couple teams their last game does not matter there's already been you know a number one seed locked in in the AFC the Kansas City Chiefs and there's been a number two seed locked in in the NFC the Philadelphia Eagles and AJ Brown came out

and said one half of the hammer, die, Cowboys, AP Tone. That he was going to rest up, heal up, and get ready. Okay, so AJ Brown, so you can count me out for week 18. Okay, if we're already going to be locked in to a number two overall seed. The number one overall seed on the NFC side will be decided next week

whenever the Vikings and Lions do battle. So if you think about the season shaping up, we got the number one seed on the AFC side, we got six AFC playoff spots wide open, and then on the NFC side, damn near the same thing except for the number one seed, still up for grabs. And there's gonna be a team that's gonna have 13 or 14 wins that is gonna be a number five seed playing in super wild-card weekend on the NFC side magic is on the horizon Award season is right around the corner. Let's go to the talks the table at boss of Connor and that time Schmidt con man

Your team stinks. Yeah, but still ought to play for you know, the number one overall see we're talking about the playoffs cool I understand we all want to miss your bowl There's a heated race for the number one overall pick that concludes this upcoming Sunday and obviously massive news This weekend was the Patriots losing on Saturday 40 to 7 and the Giants winning moving the Patriots to that number one option Which is huge. I mean look we knew this year for New England was kind of a wash We knew it was a bridge year, but did we know it was going to be a number one overall pick? Competition you know, but here we are and we love the spot we're in and I think everyone in New England's hoping we lose again once again on Sunday and

see what happens in this week cuz a lot's gonna happen. There were some boo birds potentially happening in New England. There were some chants happening in the fourth quarter there in New England and Drake May after an early scare, okay, for a concussion on the sideline there, comes back and plays, had some magical plays. I think everybody, which is weird because they are three and 13 and they got their, you know, shit pushed here. Yeah. Holy hell. By the Los Angeles Chargers. Did they? In a big way, in a big, big way at home up in Foxborough, across the country, 10 a.m. kick for the Chargers. 10 a.m. local time kick in the cold. They get their absolute asses handed to them, but there is a lot of, you know,

contempt, we'll say, or contempt from the Patriots fans. And now that's only opening up the rumor mill even more. What do the Patriots look like going forward? Everybody assumes and knows that Drake May is a guy, but will they be able to figure everything else out? And for the Chargers' sake, geez Louise, let's go to nine-year NFL vet, host of everything, DB, good D, bad D, this Los Angeles Chargers team. This year one of Jim Harbaugh going on a run, that's the reason why the Patriots are

in the position that they're in right now is because Harbaugh went up there and beat the hell out of them. And now the Chargers, congratulations to the Chargers! One year with Jim Harbaugh. What are the realistic expectations for this team as they hit the playoffs you think D-Bud? I mean look, Dan O called it. You know, he saw it with the Chargers. A couple other people saw it too,

but look, you bring Jim Harbaugh in and in a calendar year, he brought the Michigan Wolverines undefeated season, national championship. We were on the field when they did it. And then he comes into the NFL and gets this team into the playoffs in year one. We saw it with Justin Herbert, he broke the record for

most passage yards in his first five years, but we just saw it at the top. He had to change offensive coordinators, had to change head coaches a couple of times. You bring in hardball and they start playing that hardball, football, defensively, offensively, and now they're in a position where they can compete. Once you get in the dance, anybody can beat anybody. When you have a quarterback especially you can go up and you like your chances against any team absolutely and there's weapons on that team and

Everything like that lad mcconkey and Justin herberg Literally just like this it almost feels like the way burrow and chase feel Cincinnati Bengals get another massive win and they are still For that last AFC playoff spot Let's go back to the NFC the number one seed race the Vikings are in that because of a Magical comeback win over the Green Bay Packers. Let's go to at Ty Schmidt one half of the toxic table What does this mean about the Packers buddy? I saw you were a little bummed out, it seems like about it. No, I don't think bummed out. I mean, I think it's what we said a couple of weeks ago, probably a year away, year or two years away. It just, you know, hey, against, you got to beat the good teams if you want to win a Super Bowl against the Eagles, the Vikings and the Lions.

They are a combined 0 and 5. So, you know, that's not great going into the playoffs and now they slide down to the seventh seed, probably have to go to Philly in the first round it just you know you can't start slow against these good teams like this is it's what they did both Vikings games and against the Lions you can't let teams that that good get out to big leads and then have to rely on you know scoring 17 points in the fourth quarter I mean they gave it their best shot you know they came back and made it seem a lot closer than it actually was. But I mean, you know, the Packers are still probably a year away. So, you know, I'm not too upset about it.

And in all due respect, the teams you just mentioned, McGonough and 5-2, very good football teams. This Vikings team is awesome. They're fun to watch. They have a great top five defense, obviously, with B-Flo over there. People are saying that he's going to become a head coach and Sam Darnold having this rebirth in Minnesota is so beautiful. I don't know if you got a chance to see the clip from the locker room after the big time win. They're lifting Sam up like he's Rudy and Kevin, look at Kevin O'Connell, it's a movie scene. The head coach looking over happy for my guy right there. You put some music over that like some cinematic, dramatic music there with Kevin O'Connell looking over at his guy, they counted him out.

They said he stunk. He was in New York, then he was in Carolina, then he was in San Francisco. This guy's never going to be great now. This is what it's all about. His team lifting him up on their shoulders. You think that team didn't just send a message to everybody in that building like, hey, we've been hearing the chatter

about who's our quarterback next year this is our guy Sam Donnell where he is done with Kevin O'Connell and his Minnesota Vikings team this year nothing short of spectacular and awesome and they could be the number one seed in the NFC their their top ten or I'm sorry their first round draft big JJ McCarthy quarterback gets hurt they let her cousins go because the deal is gonna be too big they wouldn't be able to afford them. Kevin O'Connell had like five different quarterbacks last year. The football gods were seemingly working against the Minnesota Vikings for the last two football seasons and now, now they have 14 wins and they're about to be battling

for the number one overall seed. Can't say enough good things about everything taking place in Minnesota. Obviously it starts with the quarterback in my opinion, but the culture, you know, it's gonna be a lot of head coaches hired, you know, this upcoming cycle like it is every year. Hit an absolute home run with Kevin O'Connell with the culture that he set, obviously on the offensive side of the ball.

Then you hire Brian Flores, what he's been able to do with the defense. And then Sam Donahue, we know skill set matters, talent matters. He was drafted at the top of the draft when he came out number three overall. Couldn't find, couldn't figure it out in New York, moved on to a few different places. I think Ben and Sam Fran was huge for him as well.

But then getting into this system with these playmakers around them, he has been phenomenal from week one to now. Now, like you said, any chance to have a number one seed. I think their win total coming into the season was like what, six, six and a half, something like that. So you didn't expect much. Drafted JJ McCarthy in the first round. Definitely gonna have to make a decision.

But seeing that post game locker room, with how this team, how this organization, how this city I'm sure now feels about Sam Darnold, it's gonna be hard to move on from 14 going forward. But they got a lot of unfinished business right now this year. They're gonna have to hope that Sam Darnold gives a hometown discount, I think.

Oh yeah. With what Sam Donald has been able to accomplish. And I'm not saying that Sam Donald won't do that. Okay. I think there's a chance that Sam Donald's been around a block a couple different times, finds his home and says, wow, this is much better than any other experience I've had in any other building that I've played for. Obviously I'm playing my best ball, but if somebody offers them 45 million, 50 million a year, I mean what the hell, that's gonna be tough to say no to. Are the Vikings gonna be able to do that after paying Justin Jefferson?

Jordan Addison is gonna have to get paid as well, the way the defense is playing, I'm sure there's gonna have to be money allocated to different people over there, so it's like, that's a huge decision for the Vikings and hopefully they'll be able to come together and keep that. It's crazy. Yeah. In Minnesota. Incredible. Because, uh, be able to come together and keep that. It's crazy. Yeah. In Minnesota. Incredible. Because uh he I mean so much vindication I assume. So much. Yeah. Just after you're the guy you're the guy you're the guy you're the guy you're the guy you're the guy. He was drafted what like 20 or something. I

think he was like very young. Yeah. No three. No no. Twenty years old. Oh yeah. I think he was like 20 years old or something like that. Like this is the guy. New York too. So that everything that comes with that. Then bad, bad, bad. Gase. Bad, bad, everything under that umbrella. The worst. Worst possible situation.

The more we learn. Yes. The more we learn about the Jets, looking back on situations going, holy. Since 12 year old. Oh my, yeah, I don't know, the break. We're not gonna get into it. Sorry.

You're a hard breaker. He's a kid. Got a lot of time to figure out. A lot of time. Yes, he certainly does. But Sam Darnold bouncing around, especially in the offseason with the training, getting better, getting better, staying focused, being like, my time will come, my time will come, my time will come. Signing a one-year, ten million dollar deal with the Minnesota Vikings. That's a prove it deal. That's probably the last one. Yeah. That's coming if it doesn't work out the way it does. And instead now they're battling for the number one seed in the entire NFC, and he's being hoisted up on shoulders now I say they're battling for the number one seed the NFC. Let's go ahead and listen to Steve Kornacki from NBC this guy Hey the goat

So good. So good. So good. Here's Kornacki last night talking about the number one seed in the NFC situation The last time the Vikings were the NFC number one a quarter century ago and in the half century they've been doing playoff seeding. The Lions have never been number one. Now by holding off the Packers the Vikings do for the moment move into that number one spot but you see even with that only a 39% chance of staying there. That's because Detroit still has to play the Niners tomorrow and no matter what happens in that game next week as you say is for all the

Marbles Vikings will be going to Detroit So Detroit is favored because of that and the stakes here doubly high this won't just be for the one seed for the buy for Home field but again because they're from the same division Whoever doesn't win next week is going to tumble all the way to the fifth seed and will make the playoffs as a wild card team potentially looking at a 14 win wild card team if we ever seen that before over the 99 Titans they were 13 and 3 this might be a first that we're looking at okay so Kornaki obviously duggo yeah no questions asked and the reason why it doesn't matter is because they would both end up 14 and 3 if the

Lions were to lose to the Niners tonight They'd be 13 and 3 the Vikings sitting at 14 and 2 if the Lions were to beat the Vikings next week They would both be 14 and 3 and it would be a clean sweep lines of the Vikings on the season because they already beat Them once already this season so you're talking about some massive stakes in the NFC North next Sunday night got flexed in right? Yeah. Oh, yeah Uh-huh. Here we go Hey last week of the year in Detroit for the one seed for the division doesn't get any better than this boys Let's go. You only get one shot. Don't miss your chance to blow opportunity comes up

In a lifetime set three years in a row lines or Sunday night last week of the year Yeah, cuz those Packers what two years ago? Maybe not last year, but two of the last few years definitely. And that's Motor City football. Exactly. That's MCDC football. Times have changed man, it's so awesome to see. Yeah, it could be a five seed though, having a team.

That's alright. Gotta beat who's in front of you. Down in Tampa? Oh no. Sam Darnold's teammate. Oh no, you don't want the red-hot Baker Mayfield. Yeah, a lot of people are doing the comparisons to the Carolina Panthers quarterback room to what they used to do with that Washington Butch, what was that team the Washington? What year was it? You said last week. It was

Shanahan was oh historically speaking. They were the Washington Redskins. Oh yeah, the Washington Redskins team. Historically speaking. Whenever they had all those coaches in there, people are calling that Carolina quarterback room the same thing, like hey, all the rebirths that are happening around the NFL for these older quarterbacks, passed their first contract, trying to figure it out.

Are we bus, are we middle of the road, or are we potentially good quarterbacks? They were all basically dining in Carolina at one point. David Tepper said, you know, give me all these guys weren't able to figure it out with any of them, but now they are able to go elsewhere and do it. Bryce Young, I still think is going to be great. Now let's go to the AFC side.

Kornacki had another breakdown on the AFC side about the number seven overall seed, which is obviously the last in final wild card weekend slot on the AFC side of things. At three teams going for that final spot. Denver now sits in it. Here's the playoff checklist for each of these teams. Look, the Broncos, if they could have just beaten

Cincinnati yesterday, that would have been enough. They would have clinched. Instead, they miss. Next week, they host Kansas City, are the Chiefs resting starters. The Broncos, if they win that game, check mark. They're in the playoffs, that's it. But if the Broncos lose next week, look, it's a check mark for both the Dolphins and for

the Bengals. And look how wide open the door would be for the Dolphins. They would then just need to beat the Jets, and it would be the Dolphins making the playoffs. From the Bengals' standpoint, they need Miami to lose next week on top of Denver. If both of those things happen, no small order here, but Cincinnati just has to beat Pittsburgh, do all of those things happen, no small order here, but Cincinnati just has to beat Pittsburgh, do all of those things. The Bengals would end the year on a five game winning streak, would sneak into the playoffs, and would go to Buffalo against a Bills team that would probably rather play someone else.

Okay, so I mean, Kornacki's cooking, but there's so many different scenarios here for this number seven overall seed in the AFC playoff picture. Still lurking. Miami Dolphins go into the cold and get a big-time win. Let's go to one half of the hammer. Cowboys, Bubba Gumpino. Lurking Dolphins Gumpi. I don't think many people watch the game but Snoop Huntley had an all-time performance and I'm not exaggerating. He scored, he ran for one, he was throwing it all over. I think he only had a few incompletions and then our defense has been lights out the whole second half of the year. Carl Wentz just got to give us a chance on Sunday to get it. Listen,

Carl Wentz, we don't know if he's playing right. We have no clue what has been announced. Schrag said Carl Wentz for a half and then maybe their other guy for the second half. Oh, so Patrick Wilhelms won't even pull Cam Ward. He will just play none of the game. Well, he might ruin football if he does that, according to some people. I didn't appreciate, I didn't love that everybody was just, the fact that he played, I was pretty pumped up. The Cam Ward was playing in that particular game. Pop-Tart Bowl was awesome. Yeah. Pop-Tart Bowl is going to be awesome.

Matt Campbell leads the Iowa State Cyclones to the first ever 11 win season season in the history of Iowa State or whatever first ever 10-win season I think in the history of Iowa State and the Pop-Tart obviously Had to go. Did you see the the frosted strawberry? Oh, yeah off in the back Rose from the dead kind of scared to get in between the smoke, you know, and yeah, once you die I guess I don't want to die again it was very high on top of the stadium stood right behind the smoke though the camera angles so couldn't get a good glimpse but we got the point Pop Tarts Bowl obviously bringing a lot of

passion now it's awesome it's awesome and you can eat this by the way you can eat this yeah that thing was just alive right on top Rocco Be to coach Campbell and the boys obviously start has in it yep that's a bullseye you know you didn't see Pat hmm you didn't see it unfrosted pop-tart every pop-tart there was frosted covered with delicious frosting and ice cream yeah I didn't think about how the pop-tarts bowl decided not to ruin it for anybody and put the non frosted pop-tarts in there but nonetheless cam ward could quarter one back in, down one, fourth quarter, okay?

He's standing over there on the sideline. How long's he been standing over there for? Ah, what, about an hour and 15 minutes? Just hop back in there. Just gotta do one drive down the field. What are we talking about? Quit on his teammates, Pat, damn it. I do, I understand why people are saying that.

I don't. Now, granted, I think somebody brought it up last week on the program about like, are Shador and Travis gonna play the entire game? I think somebody brought up, I forget who. That was Joe Fortenbaugh's angle, because he was taking Colorado first half BYU full game. On ESPN bet live or whatever it was.

Yes. Yes, because first half of the BYU full game, he ends up hitting that by the way, not the first half, but the full game BYU, dominating performance. Absolutely dominating performance. We were wrong, obviously, up on that by the way, not the first half with full game BYU dominating performance. Absolutely dominating performance. We were wrong obviously up on the game day set other than Coach Lee Corso, but he presented the idea that Shador and Travis and everybody would only play for one half and then everybody would play for the second half and I remember thinking, well why would

they, why would they do that? Why would that be the case? That was not the case Colorado, was the case for Cam Ward. I don't know if this can become the new normal I think there is a chance that like um, some of the nil bonus money and deals that have been signed I I think the bowl game is a part of that like there's an incentive to play in bowl games smart So I I think it start however many games too I think that is a part of some of these deals that have been written out What do these deals mean aprilth? When the revenue share comes in and there's a whole rolling and everything, I don't know. But I think that is why we saw some people play.

And then obviously Prime getting to, shout out by the way, shout out. Shout out. Wow. Shout out. Close. Bill McCombs got me these. Bill too?

Bill McCombs got me these. I've been seeing that shoe a lot. It's a nice shoe. Yeah, you know, I saw different colors. Makes me feel athletic. It makes me feel real. Great shoe. Is that the shoe they put in the grinder in Jumanji?

You know, I wish I had that. I don't have it either. I've been watching the Grinch show, you know, when they put the Grinch, the Christmas wrapper, the boom when people going down through the. Park Sooner or Jim Carrey? Jim Carrey one. Jim Carrey one. Anyways, Prime got insurance people going down through the gym. Jim Carrey, Jim Carrey, Jim Carrey, Jim Carrey. Anyways, Prime got insurance for all the guys. Love that.

Which I think Coach Saban has told us about that process of insuring his guys so they would play and the process of it all and Colorado fronting the bill for the insurance for the guys who play at school. Expensive. But I think very much so. Oh yeah, so it's a whole money grab for those insurance companies. Yeah, I had to get one because I was franchise tagging.

And what would have to happen for? So I would have needed to be on a football field, practicing, and somehow my leg had sawed off. Just sawed off, so no. Chris Angel comes through. Yes, and takes my leg off and puts it on somebody else's body. And then all of a sudden I can get the 10 million

or whatever it was was Lloyd's London contract signed it Because I was just thought I was supposed to like franchise tagging insurance. Sure people say you should should I like yours? You only go one year payment here. Yeah, but I'm gonna be a millionaire. That's ain't gonna last forever. Okay, mr. Macintosh. You're saying blank This is a whole new world. You're gonna you're gonna want to get insurance Here's the people you want to get to. This is how you want to sign up for it. This how much it cost? 50? It was like 40 grand or something like that? 35 grand? 35-40 grand? What a guy like 10 million but that that that contract's

pretty thick. Yeah. And you start rolling into page like 35-40. It's like how do I get this money? You don't. You don't actually. Yeah thanks for actually just giving it you just thanks for the premium hey but if but if never kick a ball again which is kind of what it was we got your back oh you know and it's like thank you so much but in for Travis Hunter should door a lot on the line for them to play there especially if they're projected top five picks in its entirety which I saw he's wearing New York Giants cleats yeah with the logo and everything the Giants had number one overall pick They don't anymore

They got a big win over to Colts Colts have been eliminated from playoff contention They're the only ones that went into the weekend lurking knew they had an opportunity to still make the playoffs and end up losing And they they lost a New York Giants football team and a lot of people didn't know they were still playing football over there But I'll let you know Drew Locke might be a guy. Yeah, I drew Locke might be a guy five touch him and neighbors Is that a tag team of the future over there? Yes It looked like it it certainly looked like it and remember while this game is happening and you're watching these highlights the Indianapolis Colts still very much in it

All they would have to do is you know, just win out against a New York Giants team They already got a win in MetLife at against the New York Jets they going into this game had more wins in this stadium than the team they were playing against but Drewlock put that thing on and When Drewlock gets hot, it's unstoppable Joe Flacco did everything he could you know there was There's a couple turnovers obviously there was a couple touchdowns that were thrown. We were in it. But inevitably 45 points.

45. 45 points. Fun fact. The Giants total? No, for the one team. The New York football Giants. Okay. 45 points.

In a game you needed to win. You know, one of those things. In fact, the Giants were the only dog to win yesterday. Okay, so. The only? The only? Well, it was 14-1 and 13-2. The dog, or the favorites win yesterday. Okay so the only the only well it was 14 and 1 and 13 and 2 the dog or the favorites were yesterday the Titans and Jags were basically a pick them so whichever book you looked at but yeah let's just let's

just say that Colts were the only only favorite to lose yeah and it was it was all three phases of the Indianapolis Colts and that led to me typing something up on X. Sure. Okay. And the only reason why I felt obligated to put this particular message out is because the things that people were saying to me as I was observing and reporting on the Indianapolis Colts is somebody that has been in the city obviously at all the games, like two hours before games start watching everything how it goes because I don't know any of these guys on

This team really I don't know anyone no relationship with them now my fault probably But also whenever Jonathan Taylor did what he did last year to start training camp as our superstar and our best player And he was just pot with a hoodie on for the first two and a half weeks of Shane Stikin and Anthony Richardson Trying to set a brand new culture a culture that is only and a half weeks of Shane Stiken and Anthony Richardson trying to set a brand new culture, a culture that is only existent because all the pillars that are still on the team now earned the team the number four overall pick because how bad they were. Okay, so whenever that whole thing starts, I have to point out the fact like, hey, this would be a lot easier if you just didn't do this and kind of set precedent and showcase that this out is. Inevitably,

it was right business move. Chris Ballard, Jim Ursay rewarded Jonathan Taylor and that particular action while they're trying to build a brand new culture in there with a new head coach and a new quarterback and everything. And I think from that moment, the way I spoke about it, kind of, you know, hey, that guy is not one of us type things. Sweet, all good. I actually kind of expected. I understand that completely. But I feel like I was very optimistic about this team for a very long time. In every microphone that I could find I would talk about the Indianapolis Colts having a win, the Indianapolis Colts having a great team. I would show up at every single game.

Shit, I fucking named the stadium. Okay, I mean that is and then I'm a part of all their shit pretty much. All of the Colts stuff. Very much proud of that fact too. Have a lot of friends in that building obviously that have been there a long time. The OGs that I referenced. I would like to see this team get good for them But the players just like have never won this group of players has never won here Have one the AFC South in 10 years. Have one easy think about how good the AFC South has been for the last 10 years Great powerhouse. Yeah top the win one of the best but all these guys that are not all these guys Most of these guys that are on this team have been here for the entirety of it.

Chris Ballard, who I think is a good man, okay, he's a very good man, great hair, great accent, he always says, I trust our guys, I trust our guys. He's paid all these guys that have been here for a long time, they still have never won. And then, you know, the whole thing starts happening with me pointing out the tapping out thing of a quarterback on a third down in a red zone in a game that you need to win and

He says I was tired. That's all It's like inside voices don't need to say that the fact that you think you could say that leads me to believe that you literally Have no awareness of any repercussions of anything. There's no accountability anywhere So obviously it was bummer to hear Anthony Richardson a man who has so much potential so much I mean you're talking about being able to throw what 62 yards off his back foot like this Into a bucket being able to run four five four four two hundred and sixty pounds might be 290 right now Who knows whatever he is? Immensely gifted. I mean it is bananas to think about how great he is But then you start putting pieces together start watching things you see the tap out

That's not the only time he's tapped out of a game with no problems happened in his first year too. If you watch those first five games that he played, there's like two, three different times where he's off the field. And then what was the, what happened medically? Nothing. He's just, he's back practice Wednesday. It was like, well, what happened? He was sore. And then this week it was being described as he's back in his footer sore, which is why he's not practicing. And it's like, okay, it turns out it's back spasms. So we hope he's okay.

But that one little tap out thing was an indicator of how the entire culture in that building is. If your franchise quarterback thinks it's all right, just to be like, Nope, I won't be on the field. If he thinks it's okay to just not work hard, which was the reports that came out immediately after the benching is like he started preparing a lot better. He became the guy who was the first one in he started becoming a professional after the benching the OGs had to go talk to Him it's like but what had been happening before that moment and then obviously my face gets used as like

Hey, this guy's an enemy of the Colts what the national media saying No, everything I said about your team was right and everything I said about your locker room was right and you have won nothing You've won absolutely nothing. I was just a punter. I very much understand that. I saw a lot of people saying this guy's just a punter. Well, if I'm just a punter, I don't know the view, 10 million views or something like that on that thing. Just a punter, right? So pretty good, I guess. And basically summarizes how a lot of these Colts fans feel about this particular era of this team. There's no accountability. They're seemingly just not really aware of anything that's going on.

And they don't seem to give a fuck at all about the Indianapolis Colts. I understand it's a business. I understand it's a profession, but I just felt like I had to get off my chest. Some people said, you know, is this, how long does it take? It is take weeks.

You start writing this or whatever. It was like, no, no, that came together pretty quickly. And that came together pretty quickly, about 20 minutes or so, just because it was all natural thoughts that I had. Late the meetings, like nobody that's good does that. Nobody that's good. Missing or skipping treatment, nobody that's good does that. Having preparation questions publicly, nobody has that. Work ethic questions publicly, like nobody has that. Nobody good has that problem. It's not a professional operation over there. So whenever I have to point it out

It's like I become an enemy as opposed to somebody that's being like hey, we got to tighten our shit up But I don't know if you can flip that switch which I said in that I don't know if you could just become a professional Overnight either I don't know how that happens I don't know what the future looks like for the Colts But I do know there's a lot of us from what I've learned from reading their responses to that that are Colts fans Which I am that are about fed up with it. There's not really many likable pieces to this Indianapolis Colts team. And then the podcast stuff on a losing team. It's like, I get it that I made content when I was playing. And when I was young, I had to go through a lot of

learning lessons as well. But a lot of these guys are older and they haven't won and they're doing a lot of shit that bums do. And it's like, somebody has to push that, point that out, and I'll do it. And I'm not the only one. There's a lot of people that are pointing it out. Here about the Colts, yesterday was a bummer. D-Buck. It was a bummer.

That should have been, we should still be lurking. Like that was, at least there's something to have hope for going into the final week. Jacksonville, who can't beat anybody but the Colts. Which goes back to you guys still talking, doing podcast, acting like you're something. The Colts, I'm not even getting into it. Salute to Service Award, which is obviously a massive ordeal,

especially here in Indianapolis, Indiana, which is an award given to somebody on each team for their service back to the military. I was very lucky to win that award multiple times. I became a finalist in the NFL, felt honored to do it. Here in Indiana, the amount of military personnel there is. A lot. The amount of military everywhere.

Camp Atterbury is about an hour south of here. They're sending people to war down there. I mean, this is a very, very, very big military hub. You heard about the shelter downtown before the winter. The Colts gave that the blue, the Salute to Service Award winner. It's like the Colts gave that the blue the Salute to Service Award winner it's like the Colts gave the award to themselves for what they do for the military in Indianapolis it's like so nobody on the team who's blue blue's the mascot oh that's the Colts like that is the Colts they tell him where to go so it's like you just start adding up all these

things it's like who are you guys like why do you think you are who you are and it's like you just start adding up all these things it's like who are you guys like? Why do you think you are who you are and it's because they all got paid they've all been here And there's never been anybody that's like hey, you can't just stink and get away with it Well, you can't because they have and they're continuing to do so man And as a as a former co-host, obviously a lot a lot of people saw your tweet So so many I did not expect that I put that down by the way came back saw it at 6.8 Whoa, yeah. All right Mad when I was writing I wasn't mad. I was just like this is just a matter of fact Yeah, these are just all the things how I feel about the situation Yeah, you like you said you can't I don't think you could just flip the switch

You know you is it's a it's a culture issue at that point because you're coming in like you said lurking and you're going You looked at the schedule a couple weeks ago, okay, we got these two teams, we hand them our business, obviously some other things gotta happen. But then to see that effort, you know, talent is one thing, and I feel like we have the talent on the team. So when you go into and play in the New York Giants,

and you lay an egg like that, they put up 45 on you, and they were just watching the tape, watching the game, and seeing the effort. Extremely, extremely disappointing. You see what's going on in Minnesota, what Questi and KOC have done. You see what's going on in Detroit with Brad Holmes and MC DC have done in other places as well. The Rams, the Rams came into this season, bunch of young pieces on defense.

Obviously Stafford didn't know what was going on there. And they're one of the damn NFC West. So it comes down to the leadership and that's from the top Down not only the players and then the players you got to police each other You got to you got to create that culture and enforce that culture in the locker room and like you said we know a lot Of people in that building shout out Dave Hammer who this would it's probably his last season there, but he's been there So he's seen a bunch of different teams. A lot of those guys, the training room, equipment room, former players, you know I know it's

a lot of new fans who maybe have been fans of the Colts for you know four, five, six, seven years and think they know it all but when you talk about the people who have laid the foundation of the organization and what they put out there on tape and on the field. As professionals you obviously got to look at yourself and check yourself and then you got to be able to check each other and only way you Can check somebody else's if you're accountable yourself and you're holding it down So I'm very very disappointed as a former Colt and should I agree with them that everything you said in that a lot of bomb Tendencies. Yeah, just like any bomb tendencies and then they're just stop being bombs just be like I don't it's hard for me to understand around my mind around Especially you know like Anthony Richardson didn't play yesterday, and I hope his back is healthy legitimately

I hope his back is healthy back spasms would suck the fact that it wasn't rolled out his back spasms to begin with I think That's enough Once again, and I know a lot of people over there I got a lot of respect but that's that's an organizational thing because you can't like you, you put him in a bad spot because like, we don't know, we don't know as fans, we don't know what's going on inside the building. But when you say back and foot soreness for a week when everything's on the line and you already, there's already been question marks around your quarterback with

the tapping out and missing games like that. And you say back and foot soreness. And then after the game, you say, Oh, it was sp you say Oh spasm they were serious like that's like what are we doing? Yeah, it's it's a guy It's very much like the Dolphins with two early on when they said like he had like a rib problem And it wasn't anything it wasn't fractured like that was the initial report and then as well Yeah, line fracture something instead bingo as the week went on and then they released You know hairline fracture in the ribs which is a completely different story but the Giants too they're one of the teams that hadn't scored 30 points all year they were on that graphic with the Raiders. Multiple guys got their first interception of their

career yesterday. Yeah I think that's why I saw a stat not career but year that's actually their uh I think I heard that's their uh that's their first interception of the whole season right there. That's what it felt like. Yes nasty obviously not the right throw not the right spot this is first interception of the whole season right there. This pick was sick. That's what it felt like. Yes, nasty. Obviously not the right throw, not the right spot. This is his first interception of the year though, I do believe this guy. And it's like, what a play. That's the first drive. That's the first drive downfield.

We were moving Flacco. Oh yeah, he was playing ball. And there's a lot of talent on the team, which I think is why it's like, come on, dude, come on. And if you want to make me the face, make me an enemy in this city, okay. Try to get me booed out of town for what you guys have done to that building. You guys always say it too, like yeah, there's a lot of town in the NFL, period.

Like, you know, typically you don't get to the NFL like if you suck at football. Like there is a lot, but it goes back like to, everybody's good. So like if the culture's bad and stuff like that, like you mentioned it, like a lot of the shit that was coming out in the media and what people were saying like you don't both of the both of the seven teams on the AFC and the

NFC side you don't hear any of that shit from any of those teams none of that stuff oh we got guys not working hard over here middle of season what that guy's not working hard that's like that's gotta be we got guys just showing up late to team meetings like not because they get no car acts or something Just because I overslept sorry about it. It's like what do you care about football? Do you care at all about any of this? Maybe you don't whatever the case you're eliminated again. Have a great vacation And next year we got chance. Thanks you Join us now ladies and gentlemen senior NFL insider for ESPN Adam Scheffler

Chef do we had to chit chat about the Colts there, because I'm a writer now, all of a sudden on X. Yeah, I see. The thoughts were rolling out. That is a situation. Shane Steichen, I think a lot of people think, good play call, and oh, there's some of the play calls yesterday, like what are we, what are we doing?

And then he came out afterwards and said, I don't want to throw anybody under the bus with their back spasms, that's why I said soreness. He's the one that kind of said that. It's like, okay, well, kind of threw him under the bus, you know with their back spasms. That's why I said soreness He's the one that kind of said that it's like, okay Well kind of threw him under the bus by not saying it but how's he you know, what is he? What's the truth? What's not the truth, you know all this you never know Colts Do you have any intel on what the Colts could be because obviously I do not especially at this point after what I wrote yesterday Well, that was unbelievably disappointing

I mean you ripped into them or you basically put out the facts the way they are. I don't even think you have to do that. They lost to the New York Giants who hadn't won a game at home all year long. Giants came up with interceptions that they hadn't come up with all year long. The Giants were in the number one slot, the Colts were playing for their playoff lives, and they lost. They lost to the worst team up until they were in football. I mean, Pat, the facts sometimes speak for themselves.

Who makes the decisions over there though? Like who would be making the decision over there? Because I think a lot of us Colts fans are wondering, and once again, I do not have sources in the building. I don't. Well, you know the way that that building operates better than anybody, right? It has to start with the owner, correct? Yeah, but who's the owner? You know, Jim's the owner. But yeah, who's around every single day is kids, I believe. Carly's on a

sideline literally with a head headset every single day. Kalin's in the bill. It's like, would Carl, would this be Carly's first massive decision? Like is that, how's it, like do you know? I still think Jim makes the decision in the end. Ultimately, I still think Jim makes the decision, and I think he listens to the people around him, but I think he's making the decision. Okay, so let's pivot away from a team that has been eliminated from the playoffs yet again. Okay, let's eliminate from them, and let's talk about the teams that are in the playoffs already. Let's talk about the Kansas City Chiefs. What do we think about resting playing? How do you think this pans out for this last week for the number one AFC seeded team? I think we'll see Patrick Mahomes in the divisional

playoff round. I think we'll see Chris Jones in the divisional playoff round. I think we'll see Isaiah Pacheco in the divisional playoff round. I think there are key players that have not been healthy that this is the ideal time to get them resting. The Chiefs are playing at a level that is as strong as any time they've played at during the season. They're hitting their peak. And so when these guys aren't healthy, this is a chance to rest them. You're not going to risk them. They didn't risk them last year once they had clinched their spot. It was a different scenario. I don't think they were't risk them last year once they had clinched their spot. It was a different scenario. I don't think they were the number one seed, but they had clinched their spot, and Andy

Reid used that last week to rest them. I know they'll get another bye, but this team is clicking right now, and you're not going to expose certain people at times like this. Here's the thing that I think a lot of people also need to understand like there's all 53 players in the roster so if there are four, five, six guys that don't play there still are another 45 or so that are on a Super Bowl caliber roster that are going to go play against the Denver Broncos like this isn't going to be a gimme game for the Broncos and by the way for Carson Wentz this will be a Super Bowl. This is a big game for him. There's a big game for all

the people they're going to be called on. Now, it's as favorable as Denver could hope it to be for a matchup against a team as great as the Chiefs, but it's not a layup. It's not a gimme. They still have to go out and take care of business. But I would expect that the Chiefs rest the key people that have had injury issues and don't expose them any further and get them ready for the divisional playoff round. Okay, and that is Andy Reid's move. Remember, the reason why Patrick Mahomes is the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback or became the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback is because the number one overall seed or the number

two overall seed, I forget which one, was already locked in, going into the final week against the Broncos, and Alex Smith took a break. Patrick Mahomes goes in the final week against the Broncos and Alex Smith took a break Patrick Mahomes goes in Mahomes beats the Broncos then obviously he finished out the season with Alex Smith trade his ass to Washington Patrick Mahomes is the guy a lot of us go this is the best Alex Smith has ever played he finally found it and he get rid of him and then everybody behind the scenes was like just wait just wait until you see this guy wait do you see this thing turns out that was the right move turns out that was right but i'm not saying that's going to happen with Carson Wentz and Patrick Hollings but Carson Wentz goes in there and gets a massive win for the Kansas City Chiefs boy you're

talking about a resurgence of a career all of a sudden yeah and for us i'm pumped that it's happening not because the Colts are no longer lurking but Carson Wentz football is electrifying Carson Wentz football is electrifying. Anything could happen at any point of the game. Let's uh last question for me before the boys have some about current situations. Up there in New England we brought this up last week I think to you. Connor is actually the one who says I am Mayo guy okay I'm Mayo guy but I'm just letting the world... Do you hear that?

What happens? Somebody's phone's going off. That's my laptop, sorry. It's a 1999 ring. I mean, that was a pretty magical moment. Okay, so Connor though said there's some reports up in New England or coming out of New England that Kraft and the Crafts might, you know, if it goes bad the final two weeks of the season with just one season

of being a head coach Gerard Mayo maybe move a different direction and some people in New England are like Vrabel would be the guy that would go and take over the prince who was promised wasn't Mayo it was actually Vrabel this whole time what are your thoughts on what's taking place in New England and after an ass beating in Foxborough with fans chanting anti-mayo stuff, how do you see it kind of working out up there? I think the crafts have wanted to give Gerard Mayo every opportunity. And I still think that that's the case.

Again, you never put too much into any one game, but if there's another game like that at the end of the year, I think it's going to lead to discussions. I think that they want to stick with Gerard Mayo. This is a guy that they've believed in. It's a guy they've promoted. It's a guy that they've stood behind. Now, there are things that they have to address.

Like, there's a team, again, that needed help at wide receiver and traded the draft pick that became Lad McConkey to the Chargers. They traded that pick and they used the picks they got back in return on Jalen Polk and Javon Baker, I believe. And so they need to get some things straightened out. Right now they're in position to secure the number one pick in the draft. And by the way, like, if you're Buffalo, to me, you're arresting everybody this weekend and you're letting New England win that game, because they're going to try to win the game and if I'm Buffalo it's my pleasure to have New England win the game so that they're dislodged from the first pick in

the draft which is an incredibly valuable spot to be in especially when there are quarterback needy teams lined up at two three four and are gonna be vying to trade up to number one and you can get back a ransom for that pick So to me, you know, Buffalo will send out guys. They're gonna be trying it players are never gonna be in the mindset Oh, we're gonna let this team that's just not how the NFL operates it's why the Giants hammered the Colts yesterday because players are fighting for their jobs and trying to prove something on a weekly basis and everything they do goes on tape but Fact that matter is if I'm the bills like Josh Allen will see you in the wild card round and James Cook will see in the wild card round and anybody of any import

Will see in the wild card round. But again, there's only so many guys you have you know guys have to play You can't rest the whole roster can't forfeit the game. I've been a part of a team that rested players the final two weeks I think all the starters started because their start streaks and all this type of shit and appearances and escalators and contracts and then they were kind of replaced in the second half. It was like a preseason outfit though because you say you know at the beginning you said there's still a lot of guys that are on a Super Bowl roster and then you said we need enough guys to play the game. It's like a lot of those guys are very good at their jobs which

are what? Well special're great they're great at special teams they're great at giving looks in practice but to have an entire game depend upon them we shall see might see some superstars just like a preseason you talk about the Buffalo Bills saying no moss to the New England Patriots so they dropped to what four or five instead of number one overall let's talk about tonight's game that means absolutely nothing tone has a question for you Yeah, Shetty It does mean nothing because the only thing that matters for the Lions is next week's game against the Vikings

So does that mean the Lions are gonna rest people tonight and especially because they have been so banged up Why would they risk more people or does MC DC play in their guys tonight in a game? That means nothing to them. But that's how you think that's how I think and I had this debate with somebody in the Lions this morning I'm like there's nothing to play for you're on a short week. You play the Vikings and like Dan Says we're gonna try to win this game. I'm like, okay I mean if you listen to his quotes this who's who they are. They are built on grit and toughness. They go for it. They're gonna go for it tonight now again I think you have to see how the game is flowing and what's happening And I think they're going in with the mindset. We're going to try to win this game again

This is in talking to them. They're like well we could become the 10th team in NFL history To have 15 regular season wins. I said, okay Bravo. Good for that. They're like, well, we could become the 10th team in NFL history to have 15 regular season wins. I said, okay, bravo. Good for that. They're like, well, we don't wanna take away from the energy and the momentum that we've built. Okay, but again, you're in a short week, everything is rotting Sunday night,

but they're not thinking the way we're thinking. They're just not thinking that. Now, for me, it's hard to imagine that you're gonna go run Jameer Gibbs into the ground tonight when David Montgomery's gone. But they remember that they lost this team. They think that they can just go out and be tough every week. And Dan Campbell's been pretty adamant they're going to keep playing. Now if they're up two touchdowns in the third fourth quarter, could we see a quicker hill book? Yes. Could certain situations in the game enter into his thinking?

It would be illogical to think that they wouldn't, but going into the game, their mindset is, we are going out there to win the game and we'll see how the game unfolds and how he handles it from there. Second bye week here, week 17. Yeah, that'd be nice. Getting an opportunity.

You know, let the boys, hey, let's get a couple drives in. Let's get a couple drives in, and then bang, go head out there now. That AMC DC. I agree, it's not, but boy. Football family, the whole family over there. He'll be going forward on fourth down too tonight. He'll be Jared Goff, QB sneaking in fourth downs,

first quarter, second quarter, we need it. There's some dogs on the Niners defense that can hit. They still fly around. And this game means nothing. Yeah. You know, but the Niners have shut down more of their roster than the Lions are considering shutting down their roster.

There have been a lot of guys who have been hurt. A lot of guys placed on IR. They're missing a lot of guys already. The Lions don't care. They're going in there to play the game, which again, as fans, we could sit here and debate it I think I lost it say why I love it Yeah, okay. Well, I think most fans would say I don't love it like

No, but if they do a stumble fumble bumble mumble Ben Johnson does a triple throwback everybody's doing double throwbacks these days. Okay, we're does a triple throwback. Everybody's doing double throwbacks these days. Okay. We're doing a triple throwback. That just Ben Johnson unloading the clip tonight on Monday Night Football would be awesome. That would be fantastic. They think that they have an endless supply of trick play. So it's no big deal to use whatever they want tonight

in a meaningless game. But again, they're going to get back to Detroit. I don't know what six in the morning on Tuesday. It's no big deal to use whatever they want tonight in a meaningless game. But again, they're going to get back to Detroit. I don't know what six in the morning on Tuesday and they're going to get underway with preparations for a monstrous Sunday night game. So they're on a short week of a West coast trip and they're the lions and they're coached by and they don't care. What is the, what is the, uh, I love that.

I love everything about it. Why man? Oh, we, the game, they're not keeping score, man. Oh, okay. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Want my guys to be losers going into the playoffs.

Yeah. Biggest game of the year coming up next weekend. Yeah. We want to, we want to have an L hanging over us going in there. No way. Look for the Lions win by 60 tonight. Exactly. That's culture That's MC DC football and that's why we're in this position in the first place Let's go beat the hell out of them get some revenge and then we'll go win next week, too

I love that tone would like to have a word with you, but that's the way the line I was just asking a question. No, no, because it's a very real question Valid because this game when normally last week of the season for teams, instead, it's second to last week of the season. It's like, do you take a little things because then you're going to be back next week. So you don't have rust going into playoffs, but you still got a chance to rest a little bit. Maybe it will be a cam ward situation. Maybe it will be. Well, let's be honest,

this defense is brand new. They need all the reps they can get together. What happened in Miami? Con is a question. Yeah, Shefty, kind of last week out of nowhere Tua was downgraded to doubtful and then obviously didn't play yesterday. What's his status and can we expect him playing this upcoming weekend with the lurking dolphins still looking for a playoff spot? I don't think it's a lock he plays this week. I think his status is in

question. I think that would be the fairest way of saying it. I think that that hip was more banged up last week than people realize. It's the same hip that he had surgery on in college. It's a different spot. But the fact of the matter is it was bothering him last week and got word over the weekend that he wasn't going to play. They're like, no, he's still trying to play. Okay. And obviously he felt like he couldn't play in the end. And I think that they're back in that spot again this week. I think Tua will see if he can go out there and try to play.

But I think on Monday, six days out, I think it's absolutely fair to say that his status for the upcoming game against the Jets is in question. And we'll see if he can make it back. Jets coming off of a tough one. I mean, an absolutely fair to say that his status for the upcoming game against the Jets is in question and we'll see if he can make it back. Jets coming off of a tough one, I mean an absolutely tough one, but the Dolphins still lurking. Need Carson Wentz to do his thing against the Denver Broncos. Huntley looked much better than he did earlier in the year though. Maybe McDaniel gave him a different offense, Gumpy? He just had more time to figure it out. He was doing the motions and shit. He was actually, he actually played really well. We need him back next year to be the backup.

He looked unreal. In the middle of the season, he didn't have the offense figured out. So whenever he was out there, the offense was actually inept. We saw it against the court. It was terrible. Yesterday against the Browns, very good defense. Was able to pull out a couple of stuff.

Looks like he might have to go for a little bit in the biggest game of the year. He'll be starting a playoff game in two weeks. The hip, how long should we be? Is this going to be something where they say, ah, ah, and it's going to linger? We assume I don't know. I just know that right now we don't know whether he's going to be able to play this week and that they could have to lean on Tyler Huntley again this week.

It's possible. We'll see how the weekend falls. I don't know yet. But again, this is an injury he's had before to the same body part. And I know that it was definitely significant last week and it was bothering him. He couldn't play with their playoff hopes on the line and we'll see if he can make it back this time. What was it? Bo Jackson had that, but it was just vastly different because of modern science. He was able to get back in there, but it's something like the joint. I think he dislocated and then blood and then I think blood starts straight

I think it's like a very dangerous if I remember the Bo Jackson Documentary or that they did about the injury that basically ended his entire athletic career. I think to add something similar Yeah, cuz Bo Jackson had popped out and back in in the same play, but the blood kept flowing Yeah, science modern science. Hopefully to through his A-OK. Speaking of being A-OK, Philadelphia Eagles are A-OK at the number two overall seed. D-Bud has a question for you. A-OK, I've seen some questions at the quarterback position but running back, Saquon Barkley, he cracked the 2,000 yard mark last week and I saw a heated debate with you and the guys pregame leading up into it.

You said basically, hey, they're going to arrest him in the last week of the season. Some of the guys on the panel like, hey, go and get the record. Where are we at now with what Nick Sirianni is going to do with Saquon going forward with obviously needing 101 yards to break the all time record, which Eric Nixon absolutely does not want him to do. Well, Daris, we have not heard official word from the Eagles, but I think that everything that they've said and done speaks volumes. As soon as Saquon Barkley went over 2000 yards yesterday and got to 2003,

he came right out of the game. They didn't leave him in there to continue his chase of Eric Dickerson. They got him right out of the game after that run and he was put on ice. And now he's one of nine running backs in NFL history to go over 2000. And after the game, they asked him about it and he's like, hey, we've got bigger things in mind. They've asked Nick Siret, we're not thinking about that.

I, as I said yesterday, as I said this, I'd be floored if he played again until the playoffs. Really? I don't care how close he is to Eric Dickerson's record. Again, everybody takes a different tact and different approaches. The Lions tonight, they're going in. They got work to do. That's how they approach this.

The Eagles, they're not going to have a bye. I think that Saquon's going to be put in bubble wrap next week, and then he'll be unwrapped for the wild card game. They have the number two seat. Might it have been different if they had put away the number one seat? Maybe, maybe that would have been a conversation, I guess, but I don't think you're risking putting out

a 2,000 yard rusher in a meaningless game against the Giants no matter how close he is to Dickerson's record. He's 100 yards out. If that was like 45 yards I wouldn't yeah, you know like if it was 45 yards be like, yeah, we can give a half right? We can give a go for the giant. I have like a movie. Yeah He broke the his single game right rushing record against the Giants first time at MetLife and in this time Could break the all-time rushing record against the Giants

Didn't say Kwan didn't he take himself out of the game and not decide to go back in earlier this game, earlier this season when the Eagles was the single game rushing record was on the line? There was some record that was in his, and he, he wasn't, that's not the way he thinks. It's not the way he's wired. He doesn't care about breaking, his mindset is on getting a Super Bowl, not breaking another record. And we'll tell you how the Giants people are thinking right now.

I don't even know if that's gonna happen, but. I'm gonna have a tough time sleeping if the same one goes to Phil, and I'll tell you that, as I've told you, just being out. I've been around enough players, but he's the most popular player we have by far. Just breaks the all time record against his team.

Oh man, has to have. And then in the single, oh my gosh. 100 yards, 100 yards, St. Quentin can find that. Get that in a half. Two runs. First quarter. Yeah. Might be able to, now this giant seems good,

people forget. Yeah. You saw what they just did By the way pat, you know, here's another thing you think the eagles Again, they have nothing at stake if they win doesn't impact them at all if the giants win on sunday They probably fall to what eight nine ten in the draft order like a win The eagles losing is a win for the Eagles organization. Bills Patriots, same situation. Now we got Eagles Giants, same situation here.

Now again, I want to be very clear. The players are not thinking like that. They're going to go out and play. But you can't tell me that organizationally that they aren't thinking, well, if we let the Patriots win, if we let the Giants win, if we don't put out our best guys, if we don't do everything we can to win this game and they win, their draft order crashes and to get to where they wanna be or where they are now. Like the Giants need a quarterback.

Everybody knows it. They're at four. If they win on Sunday, they're going to roughly 10. Roughly 10. How are they getting back up there? Sorry, Saquon Sirioni. Sorry, buddy. Gonna have to get 100 yards earlier in the season.

Dickerson did it in 14 games, too. I can tell you this. I think the Eagles care a lot more about the Giants falling to 10 than Saquon Barkley breaking Eric Dickerson's all-time single season rush record. Saquon's been special, though.. That's so much fun to watch and obviously he's gonna be at the NFL honors if they're not playing in the

Super Bowl as an MVP finalist. Running back being able to do that obviously in the modern age we're in is insane. Best offensive player will obviously come in to the award to Saquon Barkley. It's like congratsats to you, Saquon. Especially because I, like many, had no idea this was possible. Because we thought he was just going, just another giant's wasteland. So we thought it was gonna be this entire time. But instead the giant said,

we can't pay him 13 million a year, you know, right? John Mara called it, John Mara called it. Him with his hand on his face. He's got to be so mad Going buddy. I won't be able to sleep this fucking guy goes in Philadelphia Eagles. You hear me? And he is by far our most popular player. Well, there's a reason he's also your most best player Bp, which I think is what he's gonna win at the NFL honors, even though he deserves MVP Valuable player conversations because look at the way this team is finishing this year first how they finished last year it's because of a run game

being able to do what it's doing and also Kenny Pickett and McKee can spin that thing. What a time for Philadelphia Eagles fans congrats to you guys last question here we appreciate you. You know and it's not just the way that Saquon plays it's the way he carries himself too like he's class and a pro like that's the kind of guy you want in your locker Room last question. Sorry. Hey, no problem. Ty has a question for you Shefty has any of the conversation around Sam Darnold changed over the last couple weeks a lot of people saying hey There's no way they can pay him and then they're potentially gonna get the number one seed We saw how the team reacted to him in the locker room

Yesterday after beating Green Bay. Is there any way that they actually let go of Sam Darnold now? Ty, I'm glad you asked that question because my reaction to seeing that video when Sam Darnold walked into that locker room and they all jumped all around him and popped the champagne and did whatever they did. There it is. Like look at Kevin O'nor. He's watching this. It's a movie scene, brother. Wait, well, hold on. He's watching this and in the back of his mind, they just won a huge game. So not how he's thinking now, but how, how can you let somebody that your team feels

that strongly about walk out the door. That video tells you that they're not going to let him go. That's what that video tells you right there. I agree. We agree. We saw it the same exact way, although it's going to be a big number. Will they be able to afford it? Will Sam do a little business with him too to remain there?

We'll watch you tonight. What are you doing? You're from home? Yeah. Sitting here getting ready for the pregame show tonight. Monday night countdown. Hey, Mazel. Have me Hanukkah. We're getting ready for the pregame show tonight Monday night countdown. Hey, Mausel, have me Hanukkah. We're getting ready for the show. The game might not have his biggest

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New episodes of Coach Drop Weekly. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. He is wonderful. We're so lucky that we get to talk about it. The Talks Today was here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt One after the hammer dad Cowboys AP tone is here rocking at Pittsburgh Steelers tarp feeling good about the boys feeling really really good about the Boy really yeah, why wouldn't I?

little bit of a snide Listen all those teams that just lost to they aren't playing guys in week 18 because they're really really good And that doesn't mean that it's a good thing to lose to them. I'm just saying, you know, played them close for three quarters, fourth quarters was tough. And we got a little bit to figure out, but we're going to do it. You guys have a little bit too much Thanksgiving dressing.

Fourth quarter, can't keep up with everybody. Oh! Oh, no, celebrate hot days a little bit too hard over there in Pittsburgh. Oh, no! Just mistakes and turnovers that were going in our favor at the beginning of the year. Just didn't go our way those last three quarters.

But what goes around, goes around, goes around, No, just mistakes and turnovers that were going in our favor beginning of the year just didn't go our way those last three Yeah, maybe for the playoffs you guys thank you Nelly for Tata Oh, yeah do is get into the dance and then you'll get moving. Was it just only for Tata on that song? I thought it was Timberlake's part They're saying some stuff about him. Tell you what if Nelly thought of that song at all him I'm taking a victory lap no if you thought I had a little bit of a run there Victoria British Columbia legend really no if you thought I went to Mount Doug the chief of pocket spectrums spectrums rival Mount Doug where I had nothing on Mount Doug

Mount Doug the state of Canada produced Nelly Furtado. Oh, we beat the shit out of Mount Dogg. No, not when Nelly Furtado was there. Not the man eater. The state of Canada produced Nelly Furtado. I didn't know that. Me neither. She had a little bit of a run. I didn't know she was a warm and fuzzy. If you put 14 photos up of potential Nelly Furtado's. Not a chance.

But I saw her name on some songs. Burnett. Bangers. Love Nelly. Bangers. She had a pocket full of sunshine, brother. Nope, she wasn't in the Timberlake song, was not in that song She's promiscuous right with who is

Cindy Crawford That's a great pool congrats Nelly for thought of man eaters. Thanks for everything. That's her. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that song a little run. Yeah. Mount Doug. Mount Doug. Oh, Natasha Bedingfield's possible.

Yeah. And that's about cocaine. Yeah, which I learned. You know, I had it, I had it as my alarm clock without knowing that knowledge. And then we're on a trip. everybody was in the same hotel room. For some reason, I had the thing set up at 6 a.m. to just kind of hit.

And all of a sudden, I got a bucket, got a bucket full of sunshine. I got a bucket full of sunshine. I got a bucket full of sunshine. I got a bucket full of sunshine. I got a bucket full of sunshine. I got a bucket full of sunshine. I got a bucket full of sunshine.

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Will you shut that thing the fuck up? Got it. Sorry. I got a fucking, I got a fucking. I got a bottle. Oh my God, I'm so sorry. Turn the cocaine song off. Somebody said, I was like, that's a sunshine. What? Okay. Like you think sunshine's in the pocket? Okay. Maybe.

That is a bag of sunshine, which is wakey wakey. That's a bunch of cocaine. You're listening to it at six a.m. I'm listening to it at six a.m. I'm done with that. I apologize. I did not know that was the case. Now that being said,

I'm so sorry. Turn the cocaine song off. Somebody said, I was like, that's a sunshine. What? That's a sunshine song. Okay. Like you think sunshine's in the pocket? Okay.

Maybe. That is a bag of sunshine, which is wakey wakey. That's a bunch of cocaine. You're listening to it at six a.m. I'm listening to it at six a.m. I'm done with that, so I apologize. I did not know that was the case. Now with that being said. I got a bucket of vodka! What a time. Banger. Banger. Banger. There's a lot of those bangers

that just pop up out of nowhere. You know who's been bringing them back to light? The Notre Dame social media team. Yes. This is the way I live. That's what they put on the last one. They had some jeezy on their first one. Obviously it won.

Indiana University had Mark Cuban on fresh off a failed presidential campaign back into the world though. Obviously self-made billionaire from Pittsburgh, went to IU, he voiced over their particular video. Notre Dame had jeezy on there. Almost could have known what was about to happen. Now they got Baby Boy Prince or whatever on it.

It's like, wait a minute, is this Notre Dame social media team creeping in on Oregon's social media team? It feels different. That's at the top up there. I'm not sure. College football playoffs just a few days away. Oh yeah. Nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler is here.

D. Butch, we're about to be on the sideline of the Rose Bowl. I cannot wait. Has that not been hands? We get to do that? It's awesome. My favorite part of the year, been on the field for those games, seeing the best of the best go at it. And then at the end, you know, obviously we start at 12. Countdown to one.

We're at eight now. Oregon, Ohio State, everybody's saying this is a national championship-like game. This rematch, obviously the big ten. One of them's not going to make to Final Four, which is absolute crap. Means we don't get to top four teams in the country this particular year. We know that because one of these teams isn't going make it. Will Howard fresh off his best ballgame. Jeremiah Smith fresh off a dominating performance. Trevion Henderson, Judkins doing their thing out of the backfield. Offensive line dominant, defensive line with JTT. Jack Sawyer cooking all over the place. They broke two of Nico Iamaleava's helmets. Two of them in one particular game. You're talking about flying around. Then you got the undefeated Oregon Ducks team

ready to do it. Obviously, Dan Lanning is an absolute dog, but his team's littered with talent. You know, everybody chit-chat at the beginning of the season about this Ohio State roster with how much money they spent on it? Valid, okay, valid. Very valid, because they have gone all in

in this particular roster. And then you heard, you know, Tressel and Urban Myers say, that's gotta be the best team that's ever put a high state uniform. Now we've won national championships with teams that aren't as good, but we'll see if he's able to do it with this good of a team. Basically is what they said about the roster

and everything like that. Oregon put together quite a fucking roster too now. Let's not get crazy at all. They have high end talent at every single position and they fly around. That now, obviously that was right in front of our faces and we're all mind blown. He was screaming and actually projecting some spit

onto that crane that was blocking our view in front of our suites. We got to watch this and what is this? That's tight end. They got every position like. Now they had to take on a Penn State team in the Big Ten Championship right there. Just jumped over a Nittany line that pounded a rock

against him with Singleton and Allen. They were able to gain some yards. Zorgan gonna be able to bounce back yards. Is Oregon gonna be able to bounce back? Is Dylan Gabriel gonna be able to utilize? Taz is an absolute dog. Jordan James, absolute beast out of the backfield. Dylan Gabriel doing his thing. It's like, hey, this is gonna be a good game too.

The grain daddy of them all, we're gonna be lucky to be on the sideline broadcasting on ESPN2, but the game itself is setting up to be a banger. Physical, both need it, both both want it both feel as if they are at their best forms right now we got a good one coming on Wednesday night which football needs great with two great coach coaches two great organizations a lot of NFL talent and in that setting that beautiful set oh that

is so nice five o'clock kickoff cannot wait it's five o'clock somewhere Pasadena whenever this thing kicks off on the Eastern time zones 5 2 o'clock local We have a 7 to 10 a.m. Local game day I believe on New Year's Day and then there is the It's a Texas Texas Have you heard that there's a little people have you heard a little bit of the chatter out of the Texas Arizona State game Some beef or a little Sam Levitt jr. Richard freshman quarterback for the Arizona State team. Some beef, correct? What's going on? Sam Levitt Jr., Richard Freshman quarterback for the Arizona State team who just won the Big 12.

Obviously a lot of conversation about Cam Scattonboo, the running back who's a stud. Sam Levitt Jr.'s becoming a coach, he's a dog. Very, very good. He was asked about Quinn Ures, and he gave an answer about believing in himself and said, I'm ready to prove I'm the best quarterback on that field or whatever.

Quinn Ures heard, took the high road, so I heard what he had to say. They've been fun to watch field or whatever. Quinn, you was hurt, took the high road, so I heard what he had to say, they've been fun to watch, yada, yada, yada, do that. But you got those Arizona State dogs ready to cook. They're ready to activate the Valley in this entire thing. Could you imagine the upset that could be if Arizona State knocks off Texas?

Texas, with all the talent and size and funding and everything behind it, with Sarkusian, that'd be bananas. Now, I'm not saying it's definite. I'm not saying that's the way I'm picking. I'm just saying would be gigantic for Arizona State. And also another massive shot across the bow to the SEC. You know, the SEC during this bowl season

has had a lot of things happen to them that's not great for all the talking points that have been said. Correct, not as bad as the ACC, but the SEC has, there's been a lot, that's, I believe Arizona State also has a lineman who went to Texas or wanted to go to Texas and they said you'll never play here. So now he's starting in Arizona State. So there's some chips on the shoulders for the Sun Devils. Yeah, and then obviously the Rose Bowl, and then at night the capper, Notre Dame, Georgia.

How you doing? Keep it moving. Can't wait for the Catholics to take on the dogs and Yeah, I'm excited as shit for tomorrow night Penn State Boise State kicking it off all the way through Wednesday, New Year's Eve Joining us now ladies and gentlemen is a man who obviously has a rooting interest for the Ohio State Buckeyes But will also be on the sideline with us at the Rose Bowl He's a college football national champion Super Bowl champion Ryder Cup winner AJ Hawke Hawke we're just talking about the slate, your first takeaway whenever you think about it? I mean, Arizona State, that would be a,

I don't know what the line is, you made, oh, 13 I see right now, okay, that would be a huge upset, but I'm excited to see Scadaboo, see if he can run wild as you said. There's been a lot of home ice beatings thus far. Yes. College football playoff, but it was called home field advantage for a reason.

It was called like the reason why they were seeded for home field advantage because everybody thought they were the better team. So sometimes chalk is going to win it. At this point, people are a little bit worried that maybe there'll be another couple of blocks. That's what people are saying. Express, but what we don't have this round

that we did have last round is that cold weather that we talked about a lot. And that obviously played a big factor in that first round. Now it's neutral sights, warm weather, obviously some teams that have well rested. I'm excited about this 11 points and 13 points at this point in the playoffs. Some big big time spread. Those are some big time spreads. We'll be live on ESPN 2 for Ohio State and Oregon.

AJ, let's talk about that game real quick before we pivot to the greatest of all time when it comes to NFL coaching and general managing now in the college world. Ohio State fans, we talked about it last week or something with Coach Saban where Coach Saban talked about how, hey Ohio State fans we got a chance to win national championship. Let's worry about everything, you know, let's right now, I know we lost Michigan, let's roll. Feels like Ohio State is behind this Ohio State team, right? Yeah, absolutely.

Especially after the showing against Tennessee, I think anybody that was on the fence or thought, hey, this team isn't what we thought they were, I think they're back now and they're ready. Man, that's a beautiful thing. Yeah. Some Buckeye fans get loud. Morgan's fans are gonna be bananas.

They're closer too. Joining us now is the man who's gonna be trying to get to this particular game for the next couple of years. He's now the head coach at the University of North Carolina of the Tar Heels football team. He's the greatest general manager and greatest NFL coach of all time. Ladies and gentlemen, Bill Belichick. How you doing coach? Great, great. Happy holidays. Happy holidays to you. Merry Christmas. Lot of football this weekend. So much. I mean there was games So many games now, I'm not gonna say you know The New England Patriots were kind of like when March Madness happens and there's only one game at a time and the game stinks You kind of are forced to watch it nothing else, but it was a nice day It was a nice break up there. It was nice to see the Chargers do their thing, but it was a lot of football Let's talk about your world. Is it a lot of what is your your world right now? Are we still recruiting, putting together a staff?

Where are you at right now down in North Carolina? Yeah, definitely recruiting. A lot of guys going into the portal, seems like every day, you know, as team seasons conclude with the bowl games and then the playoffs here, they're coming up. So a lot of guys in the portal a lot of people contacting us want to come to Carolina My Instagram account's been been busy So scrolling through that I never thought I'd be saying that but here I am, you know joining the 21st century So that's been good So yeah We you know got big weekends coming up the weekend of the fourth weekend of the 11th

a lot of guys coming in to visit and stuff like that. And so, yeah, it's been fun. It's been good. Really enjoyed it. And, you know, school has been great. Chancellor and the staff and administration really been behind us. And so we got a lot of positive things going, but a lot of players want to come to Carolina. So that's a good thing. You see any good ones, send them our way. Yeah, you got it. Hey, listen, no doubt about it. Cannot wait to see who ends up as a North Carolina Tar Heel under your watch down there. I think that's something that a lot of people would be excited about.

I can't believe you're using your snap face and my face DMs now to connect with people that potentially are in the transfer portal, but I love it. Let's talk about the fourth and the 11th. Is that when you're going to try to figure out if these guys are guys that you think could be Carolina guys or is that them trying to get a feel whether or not they could fit in with your particular system? How does that kind of fourth and 11th weekend go in your eyes? Right, well, the weekend of the fourth,

we're still open on some transfer portal players before school starts. And then, just the whole month of January is kind of a big recruiting month. So we'll just take them as it comes here, start to work on the 26th high school class and also which are already working on them at the high school class as well. There's still some portal guys that'll be left over and start the off season program with the players that we have and get things rolling there.

So it's a big month for us. Okay, so when they reach out to they want to come, do you treat it like draft prep? Are you like interviewing them to see if they're the type of guy or the type of player that you want in your building? Are you selling the shit out of your program right now to a lot of people? Yeah, both, not only recruiting the Yeah, both, you know, both, you know, not only, you know, recruiting the players, but as you know, in college, there's a lot of recruiting that goes with the parents and also with,

you know, other people, high school coaches or people they train with and so forth, which is a little bit different than the what is in the NFL. But it's, I'd say a combination of the first two days of pre free agency, where there's a lot of talking going on before free agency actually opens and the few hours after the draft, when teams are trying to resign, or trying to sign players that fill out their roster,

you know, where you're dealing with agents and players. It's some kind of combination of those two days. Has it been more- That's interesting, you know, been doing it. Go ahead. No, go ahead. You said you've been doing it for a long time. I was about to say, has it been more or less tasking

than you thought going into it all? Oh, it's just different. Yeah, it's just different. But you know, it's good. It's, you know, again, you feel like you're just talking to a younger players who have the same aspirations of, you know, being good and developing their career in college football lead to the NFL as opposed to college players who are actually out of eligibility and heading into the NFL.

So it's a little bit different conversation, but it's kids that want to be good, kids that love football and kids that want to play for your team, whether it was New England or Carolina, it's a lot of same thing. God, AJ. Especially the skill position players, Pat and I talk about this a lot. We feel like we see these young 17, 18 year old kids step in day one and they're great receivers from the jump. Are you seeing that when you see you're recruiting these skill position guys and

we think it was maybe they're growing up doing these seven on seven tournaments, traveling the country, doing all this this stuff is that something you've noticed at all as young players being developed at such a young age yeah I do think some of them you know do have a big edge there but as you know AJ those kids catch up to each other and that you know call it 18 to 20 18 to 21 age some of the kids that mature quicker, they don't get, they don't physically develop very much. And there's other guys that come in at 210 pounds, 220 pounds, and they're 250, 260,

or the 240 guys end up being 310 and things like that after some training and good nutrition programs and so forth. So it's more of a projection element for sure, uh, in, in looking at the, the high school to college players. But, um, you know, in the end it's up to each one of them to, you know, develop as much as they can and we'll provide all the tools in terms of training, nutrition, coaching, scheme, techniques, fundamentals, uh, and so forth to, to make them the best that they can be.

And if they work hard and apply themselves themselves then they'll max out on potential. How's it been putting together your staff? We know it was announced alongside of you Lombardi, General Manager. We're incredibly happy for him that he's back in football. I think he mentioned at one point or you mentioned at one point a director, a player personnel needed and obviously you need all your coaches. We know about Steve. How is the staffing been coming together?

Yeah, good. You know, I'll really start to move on that this week and next week. Again, a lot of coaches that are potentially available that'll be on the staff are either still involved in college football, bowl games, playoffs, or are still involved in the NFL, which we still have another week of the regular season. And then some of them are in the playoffs as well.

So we'll see how that plays out. But there'll be a strong NFL presence on the NFL, which we still have another week of the regular season and then some of them are in the playoffs as well. So we'll see how that plays out, but there'll be a strong NFL presence on the staff, but not exclusively. We'll have, we have some other people too that we're working on. So try to put the better, put together the best that we can. And you know, players that are coaches that will help the players and, and you know, help produce winning football at Carolina. That's what we're there for.

We're there to help the players. I'm very excited for you to take advantage of the college special teams rules. I cannot wait to see what shit you come up with with those college special teams rules. Now let's talk a little bit about the NFL, shall we? We are in a certain season. You just talked about the last week. Tone has a question for you. Yeah, Coach, you've been in a lot of these scenarios.

The Chiefs, they locked up the one seed seed so their scenario is if they don't play guys in week 18 they're going to have two weeks off. The Eagles they locked up the two seed so it'll just be week 18 off and then you know play the first week of the wild card. Lions have nothing to play for tonight but then have something to play for in week 18. How did you handle these situations year by year as far as resting starters going in the playoffs and stuff like that? Yeah I think it's a great question. It's a great question. You know one that gets kicked around a lot. I think each situation is different. Each team is different and in the end as the head coach I think it's you know your responsibility as a head coach to do what's best for the team and you just put the team first.

So in some cases that could be to rest a particular individual maybe who has a nagging situation or condition. If your team is not playing well particularly in a certain area maybe they need to play more. It's really hard to go to your team and say well we're we're going to rest these five guys, uh, but we don't care about everybody else and put the rest of you guys out there, we don't care what happens to you. Um, that's not a message I could ever give to the team. So, uh, if there was an injury situation, then that's one thing.

I would say the guys that I had, the Brady's, the Gronkowski's, the Bruce's, Mike variables, Rodney Harrison, those guys wanted to play. They weren't, they didn't, I mean, they practiced all year. They worked all year. They wanted to play. They never said, Hey coach, put me in. I don't want to play football. You know, they, they complained when they had to come out.

Um, you know, Brady complained when I put the backup quarterback in to take two reps in practice on Wednesday and Thursday, he wanted to take every snap. So that really was never a problem. Guys coming to me saying, Oh, I'm too good. I don't want to play or I want to sit this one out. Um, they wanted to be in there. So, um, that, that was never too much of a problem, but in the end, I think you got to do his best for your team.

And, and honestly, if your team is in the playoffs, but you don't feel like they're playing very well, then I would play a more to sharpen up for the playoffs because that not playing well going into the playoffs, it ain't going to last long. And so, uh, I think each coach has to, you know, make that own determination. Uh, but look, if there's a player that you is dealing with a chronic injury, uh, situation or chronic condition, then I would absolutely rest that individual player because if he's at full strength, it just makes you a better

team in the playoffs. Okay, so I don't know if that answers your question. Now it does. It's a long answer to a short question. Now you give a lot of situations or situational answers, which makes me feel good about the way I view things because you can't give black and white answers for every single everything everything's different every situation is very different now did you ever pay attention to and once again this is something you were in the position I forget how many AFC championship games

you hosted or whatever it's like a love and you have like a record of it obviously going into the season your teams have been playing well whenever you were coaching them but like the Bills and Patriots if the Patriots beat the bills the Patriots currently have the number one overall pick if they beat the bills they drop out of number one overall and then Giants Eagles if the Giants beat the Eagles the Giants drop until like number eight or number nine for the pick now I know that players and coaches can't think about this but as a GM and somebody that has to be like front office wise, do those conversations ever enter into anything?

Or is it just, we got to go play our game and let the cards fall as they fly at the end? Well, you know, I don't know. It sounds like it might have in Miami, you know, with Coach Flores, because he brought that up about, you know, the organization pressuring him, uh, for a better draft choice. I mean, that was, you know, that's, I don't know if that's been resolved or not. I think it has, but, uh, that was kind of publicly talked about, um, you know, I,

I mean, I, I never was never involved in that, but I could just, I, I don't know what happened somewhere else. It's different than the NBA. The NBA kind of rectified that by having a lottery. So even if you're the worst team, you're not guaranteed the first pick. In the NFL, that's not quite the case. If you are the worst team, you do get the first pick. And personally, I don't think it would be a bad idea for the competitiveness of the sport to do something similar to what basketball does, you know, with those lottery picks. I mean, you know, and then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Well, we might be having it, but there'd be, you know, other circumstances besides just your record, there'd be a, you know, actually a lottery part of it. But that's not a decision for me to make. That's just a suggestion. Well, I think if you were to give suggestions, people will listen to it. So that is good that you are doing that. We're thankful for that,

especially with how you viewed it, having to pick 29 to 32 every single year as you were coaching in this entire thing. Not that you would ever be in the lottery. The NBA is crazy though, cause even though it is a lottery, some people try to think for like a 6% better chance of this entire thing.

Anything that happens There's more bullshit that comes into it But to be clear that any team the team that I was on that was we won two games for the Andrew Luck We ended up getting number one overall for Andrew Luck and there was people calling it to suck for luckier And there was fan our fans were showing up with like suck for luck signs like trying to lose and there wasn't a single player I was trying I wasn't trying to shank any any punt ever I'm trying to keep my fucking job like that it's always you know it's never players players can't do it coaches same thing but there's always a wonder if the franchise feels a certain way now let's talk about the

number one overall pick currently Connor has a question for you yeah coach obviously the Patriots I mean the Titans right there too I think the Raiders fan base as well with these coaches who are in their first year, you know And things aren't going too well What as a fan base or just as a team when you're looking at it Can you kind of point to as a positive, you know? What what should those type of fan bases be looking forward to or kind of be hanging their hat on? When you know, they're running it back to next year And how long would you say is kind of that window for a head coach, a new head coach to kind of figure it out with the team?

Well, that's a great question. I'd say these days, it's not very long. You see the coaching changes being made pretty quickly. Regardless of the amount of time that's left on a coach's contract, you don't see the Tom Landry situations too much anymore where there's actually some patience in building that's becoming less and less frequent. So, and even the owners that, with a franchise is worth as much as they are, it doesn't seem to affect them too much to have these big payouts on multi-year contracts

That the value of the franchise just overrides it by so much. It's I don't really care. So That's good question, I think look in the end, you know you want a consistent vision between the ownership and And the people who are running the team whether that's a general manager the head coach or some combination Cap person whoever those people are, you know, you want a consistent vision to run the team. And if you have that, then I'd say that's a big edge over a lot of other teams in the league. I think there's a lot of teams that don't have that.

And, you know, that's probably the start of, you know, the start of the really fundamental problem on the organization. So what should fans hope for? I think really what fans need to hope for is, is a consistent vision from the, from the team, um, ownership, head coach, general manager, uh, cap guy, whoever you, whoever that is, that there's a consistent vision there that they make sense and that they have the discipline to follow. And, uh, if they have that, then, then they'll probably be all right. And if they have that then then they'll probably be alright

and if they don't then they're gonna keep bumping into each other and Say it's you know, it's hard. Is there anything? Obviously, thank you for that. But is there anything? Tangible that fans should look at to be like yeah, this guy could be good coach will be good coach for instance when Motor City Dan Campbell could be good coach will be good coach for instance when Motor City Dan Campbell Was with the Detroit Lions. He started like 010 0 and 10 up there bad and then the second year they started out bad as well Ownership Sheila Fordham came out and was like I believe in the process. I believe in what's happening behind the scenes I believe that they're getting better Is there things that fans should look at that like for instance Darren Rizzi down there in New Orleans?

He's the interim head coach they get blown out and then they lose bad again and everybody's first thing is like the team don't want to play for this guy doesn't want him to be head coach I think he's a great coach personally but that's like 40 whatever it was up there in New England 40 to 7 a lot of fans are looking saying oh the team doesn't want to play for this guy is that fair you think or is there things that fan bases should look at be like like, oh, here is progress. This is what a coach is trying to do. Or is it just the vision being stated all the same?

Yeah. I mean, so much of that's internal, uh, I think it's really hard for the fans. And honestly, it's hard for people outside the organization, which we've been in that situation a lot where you're looking from the outside in at another organization and you're sort of wondering what they're doing. So I can imagine the fans, you know, kind of feeling that same frustration. I think when they, you know, tell you what they're going to do, then, then you can follow along and, and to do it.

So I think, uh, at a team like Washington, you know, they came in and said they were going to change everything and they did. They got a new owner. They're going to do something new with the stadium. They changed their practice facility. They got a new general manager. They got a new coach. They signed Adam Peters signed 20 some free agents. They just turned over the whole thing.

You look at Green Bay, you know what Green Bay is going to do. They're going to draft. They're going to sign the players that they liked in the draft four years later, they're going to let the other ones go and they're going to replace them with draft choices and best story picks. The Pittsburgh Steelers, you know, there's a lot of people that could scout for the Steelers. When you look the Steelers defense, they're the same guys playing the same positions for three decades, basically, right? Same type of players. So, you know, it's easy to see what the pattern is there.

You know, I think the teams that are consistent, that, you know, that have a pattern and do what they do, as long as they do it well, then you stay with it and try to improve it. Again, there's other organizations that it's sort of hard to see. You know, you and I have talked about the Bears, Pat, you know, you go out, you draft a quarterback, you go out and acquire all these receivers and everything, but no running game, no pass protection, no production, can't score. It's just in a city that you know it's going to be tough to throw in the end of the season, period. Right? So, I just don't really, you know, I don't know if that's a way to put it together versus

a team like, you know, Green Bet or Detroit who went out and built the offensive line, you know, to go with the quarterback, then added skill players. You know, Minnesota, you know, lost their left tackle, immediately went out and got another left tackle, you know, to make sure tackle to make sure that they could at least hold up on the offensive line there in order to use their skilled players. Just to watch different teams construct it differently, Washington, look, they were the second worst team in the league last year, and now they're in a playoffs. They had a plan, they stuck with it, some things worked out, but you know, they got a lot better.

You look at other teams like Chicago, like New England that weren't very good last year and arguably worse this year than they were last year. So, you know, everybody's kind of got that same opportunity to improve, especially teams like Washington and New England that have, you know, a hundred million dollars in cap space or whatever it is. And we're going to have a lot of it next year too. It's like, well, where are we seeing the improvement? How are we seeing this work?

Look at a team like Washington or a team like the Chargers. That again, when Coach Harbaugh went out there, he had a very specific plan for what he was gonna do. He's gonna build the culture. It's gonna build an offensive line. Herbert's not gonna go back and throw the ball 50 times a game like he had done in the past. I mean, yeah, he's broken a lot of records this year, but it's not because of the number of passes they've thrown this year. It's because of the number of passes he threw the last three years or whatever it was.

So, you know, they've changed the culture out there. They're a much better defensive team than they've been and, you know, here they are, they're in the playoffs, too. Look, Sean did the same thing at Denver, you know, and he did it with a $55 million cap hit. You know, he did it with two thirds of a team. So next year when they have a full cap available, then they'll have a much better team when you add another third of a cap group of players to the roster that he didn't have this year. I think Sean did a tremendous job there and that's a tough division.

It's hard to win out there in that division. So you know, you look at some of the teams and what they've done and the pattern that they're, that they're following and you know, you see, and then you look at other teams and you know, you don't necessarily see the same, the same, not say it has to be the same plan, but a plan or consistency in following up. A plan. We can at least see what they're trying to do, what you're trying to accomplish here. I think like we go back to the Lions,

whenever MCDC started so bad, it was like they clearly had a plan. This is what our plan's gonna be. We're just gonna wait for it to kind of take place. And they're certainly reaping the benefits of that right now. You talk about Sean Payton, I think he should have won for two personally,

because Zach Taylor even gave him the opportunity for that entire thing. Ty has a question for you. Yeah, coach, I don't know if it's because of the we just talk about it more in like the media and just fans in general now, but again last night Raheem Morris is getting killed for his you know timeout decisions kind of late in that game. Why do you think and we see it, you know, week in week out. Why do you think so many coaches in the NFL now are just not good with clock management, whether that's timeout usages or, you know, like Pat said, going for two in situations

where they should or they shouldn't. Why does it seem like that number just kind of grows higher and higher every year in terms of coaches who just kind of seemingly don't have the pulse of the game? Yeah, I don't know it, Ty. You know, it was kind of reminiscent of the Chicago game, you know, where they had to time out and they ran out of time at the end of the game. It's kind of a, it's mystifying and I don't know exactly what happened internally between the communication between the head coach, the quarterback, the offensive coordinator, maybe there's a game management person involved.

That's something that none of us really have first-hand knowledge of unless, you know, you're on the staff or involved in the process. What I would say, what I've always tried to do, and I changed a little bit on this with Brady, okay, what I always try to do was you have three timeouts in the two-minute situation. You use your first timeout between two minutes and one minute You use your second timeout between a minute and 30 seconds and then you use your third timeout sometime under 30 seconds now That wasn't an absolute rule But that was the rule of thumb and so you really didn't want to have two timeouts with 20 seconds to go And you didn't want to use two of your timeouts in the first 30 seconds of a two-minute situation, you know, where you didn't need to.

And so that was kind of the progression. Now there might be a certain play that would override that, but that was the general rule of thumb. And so you get down to that last 30 seconds and the decision really is, you know, do you save the timeout for the very end if you only have one timeout? Not two, which, you know, that's all another conversation, you only have one timeout not two which you know that's all another conversation but you only one timeout do you say that for the very end or do you use it a little bit earlier so you have more time all right but now the quarterbacks got

to manage it and so Tom and I and Josh had this conversation probably in about I don't know 13 14 somewhere in there because I had always wanted to save it for the end, especially if you need a field goal, so you didn't have to run the no huddle field goal team on, that you could just take a timeout and go in there and kick it. But Brady said, look, I'd rather have more time and less timeouts, because it gives me more options

than less time and a timeout. So let me handle it. If I screw it up, then that's my fault and you can take it away from me, but I would rather you take the timeout with 27 seconds and give me more time to do something with than run a play with 27 seconds and now we go to 13 seconds and we have one timeout. I'd rather have 27 seconds and no timeouts than 12 seconds and one timeout. And it puts a lot of responsibility down on the quarterback, but Tom wanted that and I felt very confident

in giving it to him. So basically we fundamentally made that switch. And I would take that third timeout a lot of times in the 32nd range, even though it had gone against a little bit of my previous thinking because Tom felt more comfortable managing the game that way and even though it had gone against a little bit of my previous thinking, because Tom felt more comfortable managing the game that way, and he did it very well. So, you know, I was more than happy to, you know, give him that responsibility, because, you know, he could

manage it. And so, I think some of that depends on just how you want to set it up between the head coach, the quarterback, the offensive coordinator. Uh, and again, possibly if you have a game management person, you know, in my case, that would be Ernie, uh, that we all kind of got on the same page, said, okay, this is what we're going to do. We're going to give it to Brady and you know, Tom, here's who you got to work with. You don't have any timeouts, but he wanted more time and less timeouts. And so, uh, I think any of these can work, but it certainly helps when, you know, when you're all on the same page.

And that's, you know, that, know That that's a big one really you and Tom Brady having that meeting weekly is kind of like legendary There's shots from do your job one do your job to do your job three I don't know how many of those documentaries we have but it's the only time we've got to see there's only one but go ahead There needs to be do your job to but the other document the other documentary as you remember is the roast I wouldn't count that We did not participate in that if you look at the names that were in there we were not one of them The But whatever you and Tom would meet is that the type of things that you would talk about, situation stuff?

You would talk about the defense? You would talk about what? Like those meetings I think are pretty legendary now. Everybody in their head sees it. Tom's sitting at your desk, the shots here, it's clearly your office, and it's like that is a gathering of the brain trust of the Patriots each week. When did that start and what were those meetings about? Was it about this type of shit or was it about everything?

Right, so when when coach Rabein passed away in 2001, beginning of 2001, he was a quarterback coach. Charlie was the offensive coordinator, Charlie West the offensive coordinator and so we kind of had to replace coach Rabein and so I did that on the defensive side of the ball. So that's when Tom and I would talk on Tuesdays about, this is what the defense is doing. This is how they're playing it. This is how they're playing their cover three. This is how they're playing their cover four.

When they go to, you know, blitz zero, they make these adjustments, so forth. So I instructed Tom on the defense, Charlie talked to him about the offense, right? We're gonna run this play on this play. If we get this, we're gonna do that and so forth. So I instructed Tom on the defense, Charlie talked to him about the offense, right? We're gonna run this play on this play if we get this we're gonna do that and so forth and as that evolved And as Tom really understood the defenses better Then our conversations about defense became shorter and we talked more about just overall how to attack the defense and you know Personnel matchups how to handle good rushers and so forth.

It just became a more in-depth conversation. But the Saturday morning meeting was always more about situations. The Tuesday meeting, the one that I think was shown on that documentary you're referring to was talking about Ed Reed and in the Baltimore defense and so forth. The Saturday meeting was about situations, you know, how to handle different time situations or personnel or substitutions or rules or whatever it was. You know, the sliding thing as an example, you know, the quarterback slides and they spot the ball back where the ball is.

And we've seen multiple examples where the quarterback slides early and doesn't get the first down because of the, where he slides. You know, he should have gone further. Like when, you know, Pittsburgh, like when Pittsburgh was trying to run out the clock against, I think it was Washington, and field slid too early, things like that. But the situations we would cover were a lot of times what had happened the week before were the previous couple of weeks. So to me, Atlanta, they should have watched the Chicago game, even though they weren't involved in the Chicago game. They should have watched that every team in the league should have watched that.

And they should have said, okay, if, if we were in this situation, what would we do? What would we do? And at what point would the head coach say, Hey, we got to take a timeout or the quarterback or whatever it is. And when you see things like that come up, that's a great example. You know, the Cincinnati Denver game is another one when you see things like that come up, that's a great example. You know, the Cincinnati Denver game is another one that I think if I was head coach in the NFL, I don't care what team I was on, I would watch that with my staff and then go over with the team and say, okay, you know, here's what we do here.

Here's what we would do. Here's the type of play we would run. Here's when we would do and play both sides of it because you could be on offense or you could be on defense, but you're playing both sides of the play. And one of the really most interesting games was the Atlanta, the overtime game between Atlanta and who was that against? Washington? Earlier in the year. Atlanta and the Bucks, Kirk Cousins set the record. Atlanta in the Bucks. Yeah that was the weekend that I was in Washington and Jed Fish showed that to his team and he was going back and forth about, well okay well here's the Bucks and then here's Atlanta and here's the Bucks and it was

about a half hour meeting with his team and Jed was explaining in great detail it was a tremendous meeting honestly one of the best meetings I've seen about how the team should we would do this in this situation and look at how this player made this decision here and we wouldn't want to make that decision or we would want to make that decision or this was played right and the game went back and forth and back and forth and then you know the guy who ends up catching the pass is the special teams guy who never even plays on offense about you know Hodge being ready to go going in there and taking advantage of this opportunity and winning the game and then all his

teammates saying hey there's nobody we're happier for than this guy because he's the first one on last one off works harder and we needed him and he came through and those are the kind of things that you just learn situationally. And I would say one of the best feelings that I've ever had as a coach would be when we were good in New England and I would walk into that Saturday night meeting and the guys would all be sitting around having dinner and the games would be on and it'd be George Alabama or Michigan, Ohio State, whatever the game was and everybody'd be watching it. And they would all be talking about, hey, watch out for the bingo situation.

They're going to hard count here. Be ready for this. Oh, they made a bad play here. We wouldn't have done that. And they were talking situational football or giving each other a hard time about what their alma mater had done right or done wrong in the situation. But it was all situational football and they're just watching the game and everybody's into it.

And so that's when I knew, you know, with the Bruce gees and Rodney Harrison's and Brady's and all those guys, Troy Brown, that those guys were so into it because they just couldn't watch a game. They had to watch a game and talk about strategy and play calling and timeouts and you know, that wasn't a foul and it was a foul and those kind of things because they were just so into the game. But honestly, it was an awesome feeling as a coach to hear our players have those kinds

of conversations. Yeah. And that's why they were good. Yeah. When you talk about a culture, it's like, there it is right there. You know, that is literally what a culture is being talked about. Uh, do you think you're going to be able to? And, and, and, and, and inevitably there would be a situation and it'd come up from time to time where there would be like, Hey, what would we do in that

situation? And you're sitting there as a coach saying, you know, that we don't quite have that. Like what we would do if it was this, but this is a little bit different. We need to talk about that. And honestly, it was a great, you know, it was a great environment. I mean, it was fantastic. And I learned so much as a coach because those guys would bring up stuff, you know, Bruce could bring up something, Rodney bring up something or variable bring up something and say, Hey, you know, we do this, but actually that's a pretty good idea what they did. What do you think about that?

And you know, a lot of times we'd end up doing it. No, I heard you didn't listen to people. I heard that wasn't the case. I heard, you know, let me tell you something. Let me go on record right here, Pat. I learned more from them than they did from me. I learned more from them. And I assume they would flip it because I just want to let you know, we just sat here

for 25 to 30 minutes with you here. I just learned more right now than I have in a long, long time. So I couldn't even imagine playing for an entire season under there. But I do respect the fact that you appreciate all the players that have done everything in your world, legit. Well Pat, Pat, I wasn't a good player. I wasn't like you and AJ, like I wasn't a good player. I see the game as a coach. I see the game as a coach.

When Brady tells me what he sees on the field, that's what really matters. When Bruceke and Vrabel tell me what they see on the field, that's what really matters. I can say, oh, we can do this. Or Lawrence Taylor, an LT would say, you know, I, I can't read that. I don't want to hear about that key. Here's what I can see though. Okay, well then the key I gave him, forget that. It's no good. You can't use it. You tell me what helps you. Okay, I'm going to work on that. And so it really helped me to understand what players see and what information they can utilize and what information they're getting. That's just, they're just, it's just air mailing it out there. Cause there's things sitting there saying to themselves, I can't do that. I mean, yeah, it sounds good, but this just doesn't apply.

So I really appreciate them telling me like, that's a bunch of BS. Like I don't want to hear that. Here's what helps me. Okay. Then, then you try to, you know, gear your coaching towards what helps the players. I love that you're in the solutions business, brother. You know, a lot of people have too much ego, too much pride, everything like that. That's the reason why you're the greatest coach of all

time. Somebody that played for you and obviously has immense amount of respect has last question for you here for D. Butch. Yeah, coach. You're talking about the coach and a lot of those vets, and now you're kind of on the other side of that in college, getting players ready to kind of go to that next level. What's the biggest indicator of knowing when you have a player that can kind of pick those things? Everybody's talented. We talk about all the time. Everybody's talented, but there's so many moving parts. The season's so long, especially for rookie players. We've got a lot of rookies that's impacting teams right now. Ladd, you know, Cooper DeGene and Quion Mitchell out in Philly. These teams, Jaden Mitchell, Jaden Daniels, I'm sorry, Bo Nixon and Denver. All these guys are going to be

contributing big time in playoff teams. What do you see, I guess, coming in early or even in the draft process with these players that you think will be able to pick it up and fit into your culture on the next level? Well, I think, look, I think it's the same, you know, for all of us players and coaches, the guys that love football, they want, it's not work.

It's not work. They wanna learn, they wanna, you know, they wanna process, they wanna practice, they wanna get better. It's not work. It's not work. They want to learn. They want to process. They want to practice. They want to get better. If you really love football, then you're into all that. If all you want to do is play, then that's once a week. That's great, but you can't get better playing once a week.

You've got to put all the practice and preparation time into it to really improve and get better. I think those are the guys that will ultimately be good at that. Again, guys like Harrison, Bruceki, Vrabel, those type players, they put a lot into it on a daily basis. McGinnis, I mean, I go right down, same thing on the offensive line, guys like Tooney and Dan Coppin and David Andrews and, you know, Logan Mankins and guys like that. And those guys are so into it that it's all the time. And they love football and they love talking about it. And so, they're going to do all those little things, right? Some of them, you know, just comes through osmosis and others, it's really through study

and detail. But those guys that love football, like D Bud, it's just like you. Look, man, I've never been fast. I don't know what it's like to be fast. I don't know what it's like to catch somebody who's got the ball, and I know what it's like to run away from somebody who's trying to catch you. Right? So I have to learn how to be fast from you

because I can't relate to that. I'm slow. I can get the other side of it, but everybody's faster than me. So I learned from fast players. Nobody taught me more than Randy Moss did. Cause I didn't always like to be fast and Randy taught me what it's like to be a fast receiver and how he could attack people.

But I didn't really understand that. So I never been fast. So like I said, at one point you can move. We saw you down in North Carolina, that newspaper clip. We know as soon as that photo was taken you got up and boom Forrest Gump right to the other end and one crazy and obviously Randy Moss We're all pulling for Randy Moss what an absolutely absolute dog first ballot Hall of Famer Let's talk about another player that could be first ballot Hall of Famer that you coach for a long time Adam Vinatieri

Kicker potentially first ballot Hall of Famer coach. How do you feel about that? What are your thoughts? An monetary kicker, potentially first ballot Hall of Famer coach. How do you feel about that? What are your thoughts? No brainer. I think so too. I think so too. I think so too. The guy's made so many big kicks and is great of a career as he had in New England.

I mean, he had just as great of a career in Indianapolis. Again, a lot of it was thanks to you because of the kickoffs. But I mean, Adam, look, there's a lot of names up there that you know are pretty impressive obviously, you know Eli and I Mean it's a you know, it's pretty impressive group. So who's who there? Yeah, that's a huge yandas in there Obviously you'd be first badge yonder gets in there Gates has a bunch of records We hold obviously bananas Fred Taylor hell yeah out there Reggie Wayne out there, but it's like a Kicker Luke Keighley obviously, Jared Alvill, but like Vinatieri, a kicker,

potentially being first ballad is fucking sweet. Yeah, can we get them up there in a Patriot uniform, get them in there kicking in the snow? No, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! That would be the greatest kick of all time. They actually- Can we get them in a Patriot's uniform? Did you see them run that?

Did you see them run that this week? Because Greg Gumbel was on the call for that, and they reran it this past week. What a call by Gumbel. You're talking 45 yard field goal in a snow globe. Okay, and absolutely this is after the tuck it thing happens. Vinny has to kick a 45 yarder. I think it's like 30 mile an hour gusting winds in a snow globe.

Guy knocks it through. It's like of course he does. And then obviously hits a Super Bowl one a couple weeks later. It's like he's the goat.. And then obviously hits a Super Bowl one a couple of weeks later. It's like, he's the goat. And for 24 years, no flubs. There was never like a downtime somehow. With kickers, they're always going to hit a downtime. Vinny just kept just powered right through it. Just not mentally such a dog.

I love that, man. I hope his first ballot. That'd be crazy. Yeah. And the other kick in the snow game was another one was, you know, that was another one too. There was even more snow on the ground and we tried to brush some of it away, but I thought honestly, probably his best kick might've been in the Carolina game to win that one just because of the rush. You know, they'd already blocked, blocked one, but that rush they had with, you know, with

peppers and that whole defensive line was, I mean, those guys were unblockable and they're all six, five, six, six. And I mean, that ball barely cleared the line. It barely cleared the line, but he got it up and through. But I mean, that was, that was a tough kick too. So he's had so many clutch plays. I mean, and you know what Vinny, Vinatieri was a football player. I mean, I know he was a kicker, but that guy worked out with the players. He made tackles on kickoff coverage.

He was physically and mentally tough. He was really, he was more than a kicker. He was really a good teammate and a good football player. It's Herschel Walker. Yeah, that's Herschel Walker tracking and he had a terrible angle. Had a terrible angle. He had to actually walk in. And you talk about, he was in pre-med.

He was going to be like a brain surgeon if he wasn't a kid you're Talking like dog teammate great teammate everybody loved him I'm pumped for him just like I'm pumped for you to do everything Down in North Carolina that you've been able to do everywhere you've ever coached. You're awesome. You make us better every single week We appreciate the hell out of you coach Thanks, Pat. Appreciate the opportunity. Come on.'s going to be a great week here in week 18. I mean, this Vikings-Lions game, you can't ask for a better season finale than that. That's really, that's a heck of a game. Great job by the scheduled makers.

You know, Howard Katz coming up with that one in his sendoff. What a game to end the regular season with. I've kind of cooked Howard Katz a little bit over the last few weeks, but I want to let him know he does a great job. And you're right, the greatest is the last one. Sunday Night Football for all the marbles on the NFC side. That's a dinger. We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen, the GOAT, Bill Belichick.

I didn't expect that conversation to go that long. No. We actually had JJ Watt like, hey, JJ, do you want to wrap up the first hour with us? Sure, because we're off on Wednesday yet again. And last week we didn't get a chance to catch up with him So he'll join us in about 14 minutes or so 205 Eastern. We'll continue to talk to him. How about Bill Gunn? How the Bears they play in Chicago in December and they can't run the ball So I don't know what's going on over there. Then he made a couple others in that miss decision coaching situation Oh, yeah, go back to the Bears game

Cito has it always been like that. I didn't know if it was like there. He's just I don't know why he was buried I just he's just pointing out the odd. I know it just came really fast. Yeah bear he Done. Yeah is what he did there Yeah, those guys. Yeah, you did get embarrassed there. Oh yeah. You know, these guys in Chicago, you gotta play in Chicago, you know.

Get all these wide receivers. I know global warming's happening and the polls are shifting, but it's still Chicago, Illinois, right there on the lake. So, you know, building a team might be a little bit different there. That was awesome.

That was a fantastic take. That was very riveting shit there. Talk about how, you know, he would show the team just plays from other teams like the timeout situation between the Bears and the Lions and stuff like that. And how he talked about how Jed Fisch showed it and that did, and he said every team should do that. Would locker rooms you guys were in, did teams do that?

Yeah, we showed situations. We showed situation before I assume you guys did as well Yeah, we did. I think we did more as I got older in the league. I don't remember doing it as much early on Yeah early on I think the and once again I'm talking as if I know but I got a front-row seat to a lot of shit Because my job was hilarious and got grossly overpaid. I think it used to be a lot more like we do our job It doesn't matter everything else, we be the best we could possibly be. Yeah, don't worry about situation. I'll take care of the situation. You just make the, you make the play when it's your turn. Like that used to be. And

it's kind of evolved into like more info, the better, more info, the better, more stuff, the better. And listen to Bill, it feels like Bill's been like that since the beginning. He, he shout out Ernie, you know, up in the clouds. Ernie was like the first stats in analytics department in the NFL. As a human, absolutely. And then the other big thing that jumped out to me is him just saying, okay, Tom said, hey, I want this responsibility with timeouts and him being like, all right, you take care of that.

Like that takes so much off you as a head coach. We can see it now with kind of the many cares when Peyton and Eli are kind of going over a situation or even they have other quarterbacks on. You could tell like those veteran quarterbacks, those Super Bowl winning quarterbacks, like those situation, those timeouts, they probably say it,

rebounding everybody and huddled, those type of things. So when you're a head coach, especially young head coach, and you can kind of get that off your plate where you don't have to deal with some of the end of the game or in the halftime management, like that's a huge way off your shirt, especially if you're a play calling head coach like Bill was at times from the defensive side of the ball.

We got a lot of offensive play calling coaches now. So if you can have that quarterback in a position, we got a lot of young quarterbacks playing. It's been multiple times with the Bears where it's like, damn, Caleb, you know, you call the time out, take over, but they don't have that power early on at least. How about, yeah, I wonder how many years, because I think you said that was in 2013 maybe he said. 13, 14. 13, 14 when that happened. and that might be 12, you know in that era there How many years the Tom Brady wanted to do it and was and then he finally was like, hey

I'm about sick of sitting out here and thinking to myself we should be going and then you guys are over there doing your thing Why don't you just let me do it? It's like and once again, that's bill Belichick like Being a coach at lit like, you know as opposed to everything It's Bill Belichick like being a coach at like, you know, as opposed to everything you've heard about. Hey, Tom said that on the thing. Tom said that on the broadcast yesterday. He explained the timeouts with the two minutes to one minute and like when you use them,

like Tom said the exact same thing. They won so much up there. Yeah. And it's cause they never beat themselves. It was expected. It was expected. They never beat themselves either. Like that's why the situational conversation

with him is so big. We're back, what? Well, Thursday. Happy so big. We're back Thursday happy new year Rose Bowl, holy shit I just yeah, we're off tomorrow cuz games and then same thing with New Year's Day, but we're live ESPN to Rose Bowl in college game day live 10 a.m. To 1 p.m. Eastern on Wednesday I cannot fucking wait to get out there. It is gonna be awesome.

Electrifying. Just completely forgot we're off tomorrow. It's gonna be so nice. Good start. Good weather. All right, let's get to our break. JJ Watt will join us on the other side. We'll make our picks for tonight's game that matters.

Yep. Because momentum, man. Exactly, exactly, man. They all matter. How was this coffee this morning? Same as every day? Oh, actually just one shot of espresso. Oh no, you're taking it all!

You're changing? There's no way. I never change. One this morning, guess what? What? 42 ounce cup of espresso, right before the game. I'm gonna try to make my fucking heart explode. Well don't do that coach, we need you obviously. We need you obviously. It's wonderful that's AJ Hawk.

AJ how you doing Paul? I'm doing great pal. Can't wait to get out to Pasadena man. It's gonna be awesome. Oh I know with the way the sun rises and sets over the San Gabriel mountains. Oh my god and then the cotton candy clouds with the pink behind it. With the grass it looks good enough to... And then obviously the Ohio State Buckeyes trying to avenge from an earlier loss this

season. Take on the Big Ten champion, Oregon Ducks, as they try to move along in the college football playoffs. Two Big Ten teams enter the Rose Bowl. Oregon Ducks as they try to move along in the college football Playoffs two big ten teams enter the Rose Bowl one big ten exits a loser one exits a Semi-finalist for this college football season drama Intensity violence skill drama, intensity, violence, skill. And maybe some comedy on ESPN too,

as we broadcast live from the field. AJ, have you been doing your research on these teams and how do you feel going in, pal? Yeah, I have been checking things out, watching like what happened the first time these two teams played, how different they are right now. I saw the clip earlier today of both Oregon and Ohio State arriving at their team hotels.

Everybody seems to be locked in. Seems to be doing good. Getting off the bus. Getting off the bus. A lot of fanfare, a lot of people taking pictures of them as they're walking in. None of the players are phased. They're just head down, focused on the game. Yeah, they're locked in.

Obviously, the boys are locked in. I did see that Will Howard said something along the lines that, they didn't beat us, we beat ourselves. So, you know, that's good. And I think that's him saying, like he. I screwed up. Like I did. If we know anything about the leadership of Will Howard,

but if we know anything about football and how teams motivate, they're gonna be like, this team didn't even. Oh, okay, so we didn't even play. All right, let's see how that goes. Talks at the table is here, at boss Connor and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer, done.

Cowboys AP tone is here. Nine year NFL vet looking very cool today. Daris J. Butler is here and joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a five time first team all pro. One of the only members of the Bull Ring of Honor down there in Houston. He's a future first ballot hall of famer, a gimmick machine.

Ladies and gentlemen, JJ Watt. Yeah. Hey. Hey. Hey. Yeah. How you doing? Hey.

Hey. Dogs are barking. Everybody's excited. Whole town can't wait for this. We're pretty excited over here. Yeah. I bet you are. I bet you're pumped. Tex is the name of the dog.

Is that the name of the dog Tex? That's Tex. I named after the first After the division champs down here Okay Texans certainly playing their best football certainly playing their best football Hey, we're gonna be playing football. All right You know, I am I'm a little bit worried about the future of the AFC South and also the past last 10 years Obviously the Colts have not won the Texans win again

I saw you get real excited on the internet after I posted a blog on the X, you know I saw a little excitement from the JJ watt account. I Looked at it and I was like man. It's really long. Do I want to read all that and then I read the first two I'm like, yes, I do Let me sit down. I actually sat down in a chair and I said, let's just dive into this right here. This is great. I mean, I have to say, obviously the Colts, we had a great battle many times. They've had my number a couple of times. I've had theirs a couple of times and it's just, it is sometimes you just got to, when I see this family in fighting, it's just, it's good to entertain.

Okay, yeah, yeah, sounds like you're pretty excited. I'll have you know, this is only going to last a few weeks. And then next year's Colts team is about to be the best one ever. I don't know if you know that best one. Well, you're not going to see it because you don't have any tickets. I'll watch. I'll be excited to watch from home. Gutseke. Yeah, Gutseke could buy the tickets if I'd like to but also Watching from homes not bad. Not bad. Not bad either, you know, especially I saw a stat is this stat, correct? I don't know if this stats correct. I just saw a stat. You never know on X

True since the last time the Colts have won the AFC South Every other team in the division has won it twice. Yeah. At least. That is true. Yeah. Is that correct? Titans and Jaguars are in that. That's real? Oh, yeah. No way the Jags have won it. Bortles?

Whoa, whoa, whoa. The Jags have won twice. It's a champion. Since the last time you guys won it, I couldn't believe it. I hadn't stat checked. Yep. It's real. Well, you didn't fact check it.

That's why you said, I don't know. And you just wanted to present it. I came to the show that does the Best fact-checking on the planet. Thank you. Nobody gives us enough credit for that. Yeah hashtag stat that Yeah, it's not great. Okay, but I know what's the reaction been What has there been reaction from inside the building inside the city seems like a lot of support on your side Yeah, I'd say there's a lot of support in the building as well. Feels like there's been a lot of support.

Ex players that have been in the building, a lot of support. Ex players that have never been in this particular building, a lot of support. Feels like there's been a lot of support. And then there is obviously a lot of people that are, you know, not a lot, but there is people that exist that aren't happy about what I said, you know, like, I should be supportive. Like, that's what they need, you know, like I should be supportive like that's what they need

You know, cuz especially what coach Saban saying it's like I have been I feel like I have been you know I've made fun of the Houston Texans so many times right to this guy's face. Remember we're showing fake pictures of their stadium Boom Open 20 of them had four days these bo ball boys. I mean, just done it all. Every week I picked the goals. Every fucking week I've picked the goals. I've been all in, I've been supportive. Hey, at least they don't figure it out.

They'll do this, they'll do that, they'll do that. All the while noticing a lot of things that in my head, as somebody, I view football differently than a lot of people I think. I'm a big humans guy. I want to know the humans that are playing guy just because I've been very lucky with my small job that I had as a punter To be in buildings, you know in seeing what type of shit works and what type of shit clearly does it? We're almost completely defeated one year. We could have been completely undefeated one year

I've had the opportunity to kind of see it. So whenever there's just like red flags popping up like a shite franchises do that Shite franchises do that. That's crop right there that is more crop right there all the while supporting it and it's like inevitably, whenever it all kind of kabooms, it's like The tea leaves were there the entire time that this is a crap organization What's going on right now this locker room most crop I think now building certainly we got some problems, but this get Frank, right? I mean you go I

Don't know how the fuck we got here I think is like my biggest takeaway like how is it because they've paid everybody a lot of pillar positions There's talent all across the board on the Indianapolis Colts. High end guys, you know, across the board. And for one reason or another, it's just expected that they're going to lose to good teams. Just expected. And then like the way they go about it and the things that happen there, it's like, I don't think it represents the state of Indiana or Indianapolis or Colts fans at all the way

they play either. And they've never fucking won in the way they act. It's like, yeah, I just couldn't take it anymore. Yeah, I just couldn't fuck. Yeah. Here's your pop. Hope you're happy James I could take it anymore. I could take it anymore, but there's no you support him for a long time You did like I threw tough times through you support him for a long time I think you had the early in the year you had the little where we all saw the okay. That's that's something there That's what he actually feels but you bounce right back to the end what are you talking about you talk about that you let us into that you let us into the

brain and then you took us back out you said no I support them I will support them and then it didn't you gave him the second shot and they didn't they didn't do it so here we are which you, which I don't think anybody's really disagreeing with what you're saying. I think there's obviously, like, when you just look at the stats and you look at the reality of the situation, it is what it is.

On paper, you literally can look at it and see, this has not worked out. Whatever you have tried, whatever it has been, it simply has not worked. So you have to find a different path. If you're an organization like the Indianapolis Colts, who has obviously been a great organization, who is in this division, who this division has been bouncing a little bit all over the place, but it's not, I wouldn't say it's been considered one of the toughest divisions in football over time.

No. And you haven't won it when everybody else has won it twice and there's a couple teams in there or at least one team in there that's had the number one draft pick multiple times in that same time span and they found a way to win it twice at least. Like you have to do something different and I'm very curious and very excited to see what happens in this offseason because I also imagine there's probably some people pushing back being like okay well we also don't want to just give in and seem like Pat McAfee is running this entire show but you've said a lot of things that a lot

of people need to hear. Listen there's other people saying things that I'm saying too it's not just Pat McAfee. You're the only one. There's a lot of people that have said this entire thing but that's right the situation is Anthony Richardson will be entering his third year 2.25 seasons completed if he was to play well it depends on how many games he misses next year but he's entering his third year Shane Stiken what if you move on from it a landing spot for Rogers kind of you know he said he's open to mentor someone He said he would take a pay cut to a de mentor and the whole the whole song and dance but it's like Chris Ballard's been here for what eight years or something like that and

He's good, dude. Like I think we all appreciate him like as a human he is. He's very nice He's good in the community too I think which we're not gonna talk about the locker room and an award for a player going to a mascot to I think which we're not even gonna talk about the locker room and an award for a player going to a mascot Like you're not even gonna get into that but like if Chris Ballard was to stay and then Stikens to stay So then everything's staying the same. They're just saying one more year. We're gonna do this one more year and see how it goes It's like okay, that's possible I think that's very possible if he moves on or they move on from Ballard then Stikens lame duck coach Just like Chuck was whenever they moved on from Gregson for Chris Ballard

And then what happens with Anthony Richardson is what so I don't know what I assume the right move is they are gonna continue With the same batch and it's gonna be some uncomfortable days for me if we happen to be at events Which I don't go to but let's say I go to one and there's an event where a bunch of Colts players are but turns Sounds like they don't go out in the community Anyway, so maybe it's not You gotta give me the mascot thing what's what's the mascot thing? You know the salute to service award? Yeah Blue won it this year Okay, there's no reason who votes on that

There's no reason. Who votes on that? The team. There is no way. There's no, there is no way. Blue is a great mascot. Gives back to the community. Blue should be up for the fucking Walt Payton Man of the Year,

if we're gonna put him up there. Might be. Yeah, I mean, who knows? But yeah, he won the Salute to Service Award. So it's like, you can't even, nobody even in there is worthy of giving like, what are we doing? We got hope though, we got hope.

Just be like, just be kinda likable. Just, just- Do you remember how much of a shit show the Houston Texans were? No, dumpster fire. And looking at the back to back playoff appearance, we got hope. Hey, Aaron Slakes Trout. I like that. I'm just saying we got hope going forward.

What are you saying? What is the forward look? You gotta, I think, look, you keep talking about good guys and all this shit. I don't care if somebody's a good guy. Like, you gotta get shit done, you gotta get the job done. Yeah, you wanna be a good human, but like, if you're leading off of, hey, this person's a good guy, like, look, wholesale changes, you gotta start from the top. And I'm not saying that's what you have to do,

but you gotta go back to the drawing board. Like, that shit yesterday, and that was just a combination of kinda what it's been, and you know how people say, hey, it doesn't show up till it show up? That, yesterday when you're lurking and you go up into a- We were lurking, Jage! But how bad this is going, we were lurking. That's awesome.

Drew Locke put 45 on you, like, I mean, that's- Now, Drew Locke might be where he's supposed to be. Giants were at T Kettle, they were just waiting to explode. Exactly, like Billy O'Brien. That's what the Giants were. T Kettle Giants is what everybody was saying they were steaming whistling and then boom Colts need this one must win the Colts you know in no I mean that offense that you guys faced had been high powered all year long everybody saw it so you know it was it was no nobody can blame you for giving that up to that

Well, I think there are like I'm with D but though I hear what you're saying D but like sometimes you got to have some just pure dogs like this Yeah, the end of the day a violent tough physical game Sometimes you just got to have a dog is gonna grab somebody by the face mask and say hey This is what we're gonna fucking do today. And this is who we're gonna be Yeah, that's football. We need that. You know, and it's like, that's why every time I say, like Zaire is probably going to be all pro.

This guy, the amount of tackles he had, he's a phenomenal football player, Zaire Franklin. But it's like, all this shit is happening in his locker room, too. I don't expect him to be like, not everybody's like a vocal leader. But at some point when you're constructing a team, you need somebody who is some sort of leader. Like, you know, like Ryan Kelly. I love Ryan Kelly.

Like, Ryan Kelly, the center. But I don't think Ryan Kelly is like vocal. Like when you're constructing a team, you need somebody or some people you would hope in each room you would have somebody. But it's like it just feels like it's just, the culture's crop. Like nobody really- It's tough, man. I mean, I'm obviously, like, I can't sit here and act like I haven't been on a 214 team before. Like, I know what that like,

but it is, it is shit, man. And you're right. It just takes a little groundswell. It takes, but sometimes there are other bigger factors at play that you do need a full blown culture shift because if you're, if you're in that locker room and you're trying to change a culture, but nobody above you is supporting it, you're just, like you say, you're a lame duck. So you could be in that locker room trying to-

Pissing in the wind, brother. Pissing in the wind. Yeah. And everybody's like, why would I listen to this when it's clearly being allowed at this level, at this level, at this level. Like there's, it's, it has to be a full-blown organizational push to change an entire culture and everybody has to be on the same page and everybody has to stick to that. And it's very difficult to do when there's so many people in one place. Yeah, to your point about the people above you kind of rowing against you, it's like once you set precedent too, it's over.

Like if you set precedent with anything, it's over. And if it's not good, you can it's like once you set precedent to it's over. Like if you set precedent with anything, it's over. And if it's not good, you can't just like get that back. That's not something you can just put the toothpaste back into the tube once something happens, you know? And I'm not pointing directly at one contract holdout, but it did happen at the very beginning of a guy's career in a brand new culture in a very loud way after it's just like, I don't think Anthony Richardson had a shot guy's career in a brand new culture in a very loud way after it's just like I

don't think Anthony Richardson had a shot in like knowing how to be a pro I don't think he had a chance it's the college you didn't play much didn't win much but it was like potentials there then he goes into the Colts building and it's like best player on team holding out wearing hoodie two and a half weeks pot around to start this entire thing that's how the NFL is now he thinks right? It's just there's no real and then once you just start steamrolling that thing and there's been six years of that Kind of before it it's easy for young guys just to catch it and be like oh, this is how this shit goes And then it's just just never ends. I don't know how you I legitimately don't know how you

Stop that thing and be like not anymore. Nope Like I don't know how you, I legitimately don't know how you stop that thing and be like, not anymore. Nope. I don't know. I legitimately don't know how it stopped. Get luck on the horn. Just get luck on the horn. See what that guy on the edge of job pays. Yeah.

Just get him back out there. That would be great actually. I'm gonna have to get Andrew Luckly. That goes back to like what you asked Shepty in the first hour. It's like ultimately like who's making the decisions because like Ursay is there But if he's not making the decisions then you just have like a void of leadership at the top and you would think After hearing that stat about how every other team in the division is one two division titles in the last ten years And you haven't won any like most owners would be like alright

This is unacceptable like we need to make a change But that's not happening so like If you do just go status quo and just run everything back next year Like we saw the way that the fans were today. Like I mean dude like the overreaction tweets like guess what? Not as many people are going to be showing up bright-eyed bushy-tailed to go to colts games colts are the colts are such We like we need to win. We just need to win. They just need to win It's also like you guys like if you're sitting there looking at it, you're like, okay, we need the win. We just need the win. They just need the win. It's also like you guys, like if you're sitting there looking at it, you're like, okay,

what are our different options? Okay, we tried Rivers, Ryan, Flacco. We also drafted the young guy early. We tried the young guy early. So we've tried the young rookie. We've tried the old vets who have been, like, you're in, it's a tough, it's a tough spot to be in. Middle of the pack, Dan Jones.

We tried to, we tried to, we tried to hire a quality coordinator from a place. We tried a guy that's never coached in his life. We've tried, we tried all sorts of- Oh, Jeff Saturday was brought in here to try and bring a little accountability back in the building. Okay, he was- I'm just saying, I'm sure they're looking at it like,

all right, we're attacking it from all these angles. None of these ones work. What's the next angle that we're going to try? It's I mean, we were in a tough spot, obviously, for the last two years. We're not taking a year off. Next year, the culture on your schedule, guess what? We're out. We're going to take one year.

A breather. We're going to completely just wash this thing dry and then we're going to out where our future is and also fire sale you want one of our players come It's like a yard sale you come on over. Yeah, we kind of barter a little bit and then you can leave with them Yeah, because I mean in college you can have 60 guys hit the portal right then you can really turn over Yeah, you can really I don't know if it works like that with the NFL until now I heard Peters over there and watched him Bill just said he signed 20 free agents they try to turn that thing over 20s that's less than half in college they can sign 80 new guys they hate I hate this place all you gone bringing in a whole new

Ross NFL you can't do that bill might do it this year you and see yeah if they're at Finn will bow they don't she lacking he didn't it. Yeah, Boston College just beat the hell out of them No, that's not boss. Now. They were in the I've been there on the bad boy. Moors pinstripe bull who was it? It was you can't you can't Jim Morris new You can't fit way both England's cool squad. UConn. Billy O's up there. UConn's legit though. Well, Mora actually said, we fucking see you and we don't like it. That's what he came out and said. You're poaching our guys? I know who you are and I don't like it. Not one bit, Jim Mora said. It's a wild time.

We do know who you are. Think hard before you tamper with our players says Yukon's head coach Jim more fresh off a 9 and 4 season nice. I'll be wasabi ball that way So I'm a wasabi bull. What does he mean? Is it the Fenway wasabi bull? Yes, I'll be played at Fremont Park and we college played in the bad boy lawnmowers pins try to get the brass and New York That's the one I saw in Matt rule gave a great postgame And New York, that was the one I saw. And Matt Ruhl gave a great post-game interview after that win. Still wearing full jacket because it was cold as shit. They almost came to blows, those two teams.

Yes. Dylan Raola took a late hit. Yeah. I saw that. The boys got his back. Was that the ref with the gash? No, that was North Carolina. Oh, yeah, yeah.

NC State? Yep. NC State. Boys got passion over there, so a little rivalry. And the ref got caught up in the middle of that thing. Damn! Ooh, damn dog. Hey, listen, boys, boys, boys, boys!

And a bang. I said, shut up. I don't like that that happened. Obviously we need our officials to remain healthy and everything, but the boys came out with some emotion and started to fight for that Carolina. There was some booms.

Boys still care, I like it. No, not all of them. I think it's pretty good. A lot of itoms. What's your care? I like it. No, not all of them. I think it's pretty good. A lot of it's been. Good ball. Yeah. Good ball.

Cam Wardle only played a half though. So, kick him out. Quit on his team. He'll be a second rounder now for sure. Guy doesn't like pop. Team had no idea that was gonna happen. How about, who was it?

Daniel Jeremiah? Talked back to his phone. I've been busy with the family all day. So I haven't caught up with all this chatter. NFL teams will not give a fuck about him not playing. That was basically what Daniel Jeremiah said. College football is ramping up right now, Jage.

Ramp it up right now. These playoffs, you know, first round, kind of a little bit of a chalk. You know, a lot of good teams beat a lot of not so good teams. We got some big ones here tomorrow night and then Wednesday. Yeah, no first round I agree. But also like that the teams that were supposed to win one and

that's just the way it goes sometimes. Sometimes the NFL playoffs aren't great, whatever. This is going to be a lot of fun. Very much looking forward to this. Jealous of you guys out the Rose Bowl, one of the best greatest settings of all time and this game is insane This this is gonna be a lot of fun to watch All right before we let you go we have to ask you about the most valuable player and the most best player also all your other

Awards that are potentially something you know ties no ties no ties. I don't know what you're talking about You're not allowed to say it's a tie. It's a cop. Oh You can't do it. So the most best player is the offense player of the year. Or defense player. Could be. They could sneak in there. They could be the MVP. The MVP is valuable, which is why quarterbacks normally, because quarterbacks are the most valuable part of the team. That was explained by an email from the AP. That was not. What's that? That was not. That was explained by an email from the AP. That was not what's that? That was not an email. That was that was just Acho who you know is your peer of yours here mine I'm starting to think that maybe no one votes except for Acho and we just say hey we put him in charge

Oh, it sounds like he's a little jealous He just understands the rules better than all everyone else AP stands for our shows picks No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Can you give us your watch list for the MVP and then the two Mbps? Yeah, so how it works out is you vote for five. So for all these I Put up five on the watch list for the MVP here. We're looking at it here Josh Lamar Joe say Kwan and Sam Darnold round out my top five A lot of people think this is a two-person race and you know It depends on the eye of the voter the eye of the beholder on what you think valuable is because a lot of people can define valuable in different ways last year the voters defined valuable as most wins because Lamar did not have the best stats but he did have the best record at

14-2 he also had great stats don't get me wrong but Dak and Josh Allen had better stats last year and you look at it this year Lamar Joe Burrow have better stats than Josh Allen But Josh Allen has is he doing it with less people say I don't know that's up for people to decide and then Saquon 2,000 yards unbelievable what Sam Darnold's done coming off like there's a lot of stuff that can happen Let's talk about the Josh Allen stuff a little bit because what you just talked about is last year Lamar won stats were good But best team he was best player and most valuable player for the best team Josh Allen now the bill is best team in this particular

Conversation because there's no chiefs up for the MVP, but his stats aren't as good Why why are his stats phenomenal? He didn't play fourth quarter this correct? All right I mean the stats are still phenomenal like last year Lamar had 29 touchdowns, seven interceptions. Lamar, or Josh Allen had 44 touchdowns last year. So he had clearly had a lot more touchdowns. This year Lamar has 43 touchdowns to four interceptions. Josh has 40 touchdowns to six interceptions. Joe has 44 touchdowns to eight interceptions.

They're all absurd. Like this year, the stats, they all have absurd stats. So it depends on how you look at it. Okay, I'm happy I'm not a voter. Jage, Jade just say you were a vet. Are you a voter Jade? No, thankfully, I'm very happy. I'm sure how do you think it should be viewed and what are your thoughts on this year's race? I Mean, obviously this goes back a ways for me I'm a believer that no player on the field is more valuable than the quarterback

So I agree that MVP is always and should be a quarterback award if we're truly going off valuable. And I also look at the word valuable in that. It's if you took that player off of their team, which one is going to drop off the most in my opinion. Like, and going stat by stat in this category especially is tough because there's other things that come into play because if you're behind in games and you're throwing you're definitely always like Joe Burrows having an unbelievable year, an insane year, rightfully so is in this conversation.

But when you're also behind in games and chasing your numbers are going to be way, way higher. So it's a really tough one. Like if you take Saquon off the Eagles how far are they dropping if you take Josh off? This this is insane. Like I also agree with what Tony said this weekend I don't like not the tie part, but I do agree that voters get fatigue We've seen it in other sports MVP's we've seen it in There it could be where they're like, all right We maybe gave it to him last year,

but we're not gonna give it to him again this year, or he already has two, so let's give it to somebody else. That absolutely does happen, and it shouldn't. And I also think, last thing, sorry, is I think there's a lot of people that have already either written it down on their sheet or at minimum made up their mind even before Christmas. I think there's a lot of voters that put their stuff down

and it's all their fault. Can't come out of an AP. Can't do that. No. I just saw people saying, race is over, like, two weeks ago. No. Oh, who said that? People.

Nope, it was one guy. Who's that? Does he have a vote? It was Dan Orlovsky. No, he apologized. He apologized this morning. He said he was sorry. He said he was sorry?

He legit, first time I've ever, Dan saying, I'm sorry. Legit. He was sorry though. For what? I mean, he's been right about everything else this weekend besides that, but he was sorry about saying that. Dan did have a hot weekend on the X. He did, he always does.

He never brings up how Mac Jones would have won all those Super Bowls with the 49ers. What are you talking about, Gump Dan. I never see him talk about that one. Dano's having a nice little fucking Monday right now. There's no reason to do this. And Mac's spinning it in Jacksonville right now. To their detriment. Don't look now. Yeah. To their detriment.

They're going to hate him forever. He did call to Sam Darno. He was on an island with that one. He spoke very highly of Sam Darno in Minnesota this year. Shut up, Butch. You know, that's my guy. Dano's my guy. I'm not talking about that. You call him highly of Sam Darno in Minnesota. Shut up, Butch. You know, that's my guy. Dano's my guy. You're calling him a legend? We love Dano as well. That's the most fascinating offseason situation that I'm looking at. That one's crazy, man.

What do you think happens? What do you think happens? I mean, in my opinion, you have to, at minimum, franchise and try and hold on. You can't take a guy that's going 14 to possibly number one overall seeding I don't think they can franchise. I assume no I asked somebody I asked somebody that rule and they said they could so Legitimately, I think it's all dependent upon how they negotiated. Well, it's 40. It's 40 43 million is the number anyway So if you're gonna paint like I think you have to try and run it back this it is way too damn hard to find a quarterback that fits what you

want to do that can be successful in this league I think you have to try and hold on to that guy it's proven successful I would much rather burden the hand verse two in the bush if JJ McCarthy comes in and he makes you force you to make a change and you overspent fine but you can't like you could have the number one seed right here in the first round by you're telling me you don't want to run that back even if like, I don't know that's tough man. A bird in the hand as opposed to two in the bush potential get your ass fired. What JJ Watcher said right there. Hey, we know it's possible if JJ is able to just pick it up as quick as possible or maybe we find another guy that's been around the block a few times sign him do a one-year deal Run it back because Kevin O'Connell can draw a place for anybody Justin Jefferson catch the rock from anybody Addison's a weapon TJ's obviously a monster is beef flow gonna be head coach somewhere. Oh

Potentially it could be you think cuz 43 million is franchise tag for a quarterback. That's these are your stats You just said that I don't have we found out of so I just looked it up Albert Breer wrote a article in the 27th and the title was for Vikings and Sam Darnold the franchise tag makes sense okay so if it is possible 43 million would be a win you would think with how Sam Darnold has played thus far because you I wonder I had the same question you had like I don't I was like a one-year deal I'm not sure that you can I asked somebody and they said you could, but it does feel strange, doesn't it?

Yeah, well, especially you should be able to negotiate that out of your deal, I think, if you're signing. Cause this is what, like his third deal he'd be signing, right, cause the Carolina ended up being a- Yeah, he got, I mean, it was like two years, 20 million or something, right? I think he was pretty similar to the one he signed with the Vikings.

And then nine- You have to figure there's also not a lot of one-year deals that they think the franchise Take is ever gonna come into play because why would you be on a one-year deal if you could potentially make it 43 the next? Yeah, you can negotiate the tag out of your deal though. I think right? Yeah, trade you can negotiate trade out you can negotiate it out like Dak did it Brady did it But I think you got to have the leverage like they had where they were putting up massive numbers And so 10 million bucks Plus we get a franchise tag option because if they have one franchise tag option

It actually means do they get two franchise tag options on a one-year deal? Oh Yeah, you would have to imagine right? So wild so then that's an increase of what 20% from your previous year I'm spewing a lot of things I don't know a lot about. So that'd be like 50 million. It'd be 43 million. There's a headline. 50 millionish the next year.

So he would technically sign a three year, 103 million dollar deal is what these three years would be if he was to do the math and stuff. I'm surprised 43 is the number. What is the average of the top five or no salaries? Not the bonuses though? I think it's just top five salaries at the position of the last five years I believe they might change it over the I got franchise tank So, you know a lot of kicker bonuses take place. Those aren't in it to be nearly enough

You know not a lot of yeah just salaries the punters and kickers This is what you're gonna make two point four million deal to kick a ball I will sign that shouldn't sign it that quick I guess okay everybody else holds out a little bit I didn't know that I thought I heard I was gonna become a millionaire guaranteed I fucking signed it went to Canada celebrated then found out wow this guy's grossly underpaid that was me and then that's kind of the franchise tag in a nutshell Kirk Cousins used it to his advantage whenever he was with Washington at the time it was the Redskins at the time that is that's

journalism that is correct yeah which he is the franchise take King absolutely crushed it crushed it and Vinnie Terry also I think got franchise tag like three years straight up in New England and they had to change the rule he can only do it two times but if a one-year deal could become a Three-year deal with two franchise tags that feels it feels weird I think I'm gonna go back to my phone and there's gonna be somebody explained to me that either I'm an idiot or Yeah, it is weird Probably never happened before I think you have to either way no matter what it is I'm

facetiming a general manager right now randomly let's see if they answer it probably the first time ever hey we're live we're live we're live we're live Live. Live. Hey. You hear me? This is exciting. Would Sam be a free agent after the season? Could other teams make offers? Yeah. That's the other thing. There's no way the Vikings will pay him. Yeah, though. Because anybody can pay him. in the end of Yeah, though. I mean like that anybody got someone's gonna get a billion dollars

Yeah, they'll get him a massive deal and when multiple teams are bidding for him Yeah, I feel like it would be talked about more Weird spot you're right judge weird spot Has to be the first time ever that somebody won your deal franchise take Who you talking to both you guys pointed me oh you're putting you a vamp you know that you heard vamp Jade you ever hear that and the broadcast yeah oh yeah oh yeah it's just talking like I'm like why do you let's just just tell me so everything you just said franchise tag is possible obviously this is an

abnormal situation the second year franchise tag is 20 obviously this is an abnormal situation the second year franchise tag is 20% more than what that year is and there are some contracts that have no franchise tag clauses in them but obviously that's a part of the negotiation up in the front end of that that person also said would be wild if a one-year deal became a three-year deal with two franchise tags in the entire thing I don't think yeah never seen that point so but I'd franchise it if I if I can spend 43 million dollars to possibly Get the number one seat again. No doubt and what else do you do? What else do you do? Put that decision to next year, that's right. You don't even have to fucking make it

Oh, yeah, just let's go ahead and take that thing the next year. We'll see you then. 43 million, that's a good deal. Fully guaranteed, deal. Had fun here, right? Probably could get 50 on the market somewhere, but take a $7 million hit here for guarantee. We have a good time, and then we'll see where we are next year, and then maybe we can learn more about JJ.

That's the move, JJ. That's the move. It does make for a tough off season, there's no doubt, because JJ McArthur's going to be healthy, and he's going to be out there splitting it and People are gonna say I mean that's store-in-love. I don't I don't think you I don't think it matters I think you take the guy that took you the whatever it is if they do end up getting the one seed and that is your

Guy, especially when you look at that locker room the way that they're celebrating the way that they love him right now. It's also give just an insane amount of credit to Kevin O'Connell like the guy clearly knows what he's doing Also, let's talk about how coaching matters more than just about anything coaches It's one of the things that I asked Mike Tomlin in our production meeting before the Christmas game was if you were hiring a head coach in today's Atmosphere would you be would your offensive coordinator defensive coordinator CEO type and he was like in today's world Has to be an offensive mind has to be a Guy that's an offensive mind because the quarterback's the most so it was really that was a really interesting

Take from a notoriously defensive guy Wow big piece of information Especially cuz I thought it was coming back to culture center being the head coach That's why I thought it was kind of swinging in that direction. Cause I think there's a couple of places that are like, if Vrabel's available,

let's make sure we give Vrabel in here cause he will. Oh yeah. Boy does that piss me off. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. What's that?

What? Why does that piss you off? The hell? JJ Watt pisses you off? No, no, no. What'd he say? A quarterback's the most, we had fucking Matt Canada hanging around for three years that was the guy

Son of a bitch, what do you what did you just wipe off with a dude white notes? Yeah, no, it's see the ball throw Kenny yesterday What's that buddy see the ball throw Kenny Peggy yesterday? I've been waiting to spit that out all day. I saw that, obviously, dude. That's what you wrote down there? That's what you wrote down there? It's pretty good. It did throw him.

Took him for a walk, didn't it, though? Oh my god, that was the note you put down. You got the other angle, right? Which, yeah, of course. There is no other angle. That's the only angle. Of course, you got the other angle, right? Yeah, of course there is no other angle. That's the only angle. I got thrown for a loop there. I said to my buddy, like my brothers,

and I was like, dude, this is crazy. What the hell happened? It was the perfect flag that's around the world before whatever truth gets its pants on. And I saw the other one and I was like, oh, I'm an idiot. What other angle? What are you talking about? There's another angle. I feel bad. I've been, I've been on that, man. I know what that feels like. That's the worst one. Like you just,

there's times where you look like an idiot and you don't have to look like an idiot. He's got to look like it's football. It's getting bigger football. He's been spinning over there. Yes. He's McKee comes in spins. They pushed, pushed them. It's Gary Pickett football. Trying to make a point. He's been spinning over there. Yes. He's been, McKee comes in, spins it. He was spinning. They touch pushed him. It's almost like anyone can spin it. A little bit too high.

What's that? It's almost like anyone can spin it over there. What are you talking about, in Philadelphia? Yeah. Tanner McKee comes in, ice cold, just tosses two tutty snacks. Yeah, but McKee, we know. I'm worried about potentially seeing him around one of the playoffs.

McKee? Yeah. Well, I love that Big Dom got his football back. Yeah. Because I'm worried about potentially seeing him around one of the playoffs Mickey. Yeah. Well, I love the big dom got his football back Yeah, because I heard McKee potentially one gonna be able to sleep at night if he didn't get his football back AJ Brown hell of a throw too. I mean like to his credit. Yep. He sees it eyes it Hey, that was the guys first ever touch I mean that was hey that was the guys first ever touchdown Took a lot of time to think about the throw too. It wasn't an immediate punt into the stands He took a couple seconds. He had a couple moments to think and still yucked it up there big Dom says hey, but yeah He gets you a jersey. Okay, we'll get it after the game. Okay, get ready. I need that ball back now, though

Okay, need you to give me that ball back yep yep yep we got you we got you no big problem here love the big Dom is the guy that's negotiating with the fan. Big Dom is obviously a consultant to ownership general manager he's a sideline obviously executor anybody gets on the sideline he's gonna deal with it and then also he is a fan negotiator for situations that could occur remember Tom Brady Mike Evans had a similar situation down in Tampa, became a big to do. McKee's first touchdown, we assume is it could become a multimillion dollar ball, but you never know. Never know with what McKee's

going to come and instead AJ Brown signs a Jersey for him. Nobody tries to steal it. Shout out to Philly getting it right here. It seems like Philly does it right here. Yeah. Way to go Philly. Absolutely. There you go. Nobody ever says that about Philly. No. This type of situation as soon as AJ Brown tosses that shirt this is what people would say about Philly. Not us obviously. Choose that thing that's in the air. Somebody takes out pocket knife, snaps in half, rips that thing, sprints for the exit. Other person has it. Whoa! Shut up punk. Jacks it off. See ya. He's out of there. Finds its way in there somehow. Somebody does step on poop, a human's poop on the way out of there.

That's what people say about Philly. I don't think it's right because obviously they handled that with the most amount of chivalry I think that you could possibly have. Shout out to Philadelphia. We almost made it. I thought maybe on a Monday we wouldn't have any PC's discussion I thought that was a Wednesday only and here we are again Philadelphia somebody some John are varied horse poop ever simple That on film is that on do we have footage of that?

I can't be real it didn't come out of a cup, but it was a poop. Yeah, right up the street Yeah, it was poop. It was poop. One of these, like, you know when a pope kisses the ground? It was like that. Yeah. That same thing pretty much, same thing. I wonder if the pope ever was forced to kiss the ground and had a little poop on, a little

turd on it, something like that. And I wonder if he goes, no, not today. I don't have this story here. Somebody filmed it and what the hell are you talking about? So the pope kisses the ground. I think that's one of the pope's things. No, I know that. I know that.

I'm talking about it. All right. What are you talking about? You talking about after the Super Bowl, Philadelphia, whenever they won the Super Bowl, they had to grease the poles, remember? Cause they didn't want people to- No, who ate horse poop?

Some John over there. Some off the ground, like the pope. Super fan. Some John, some Philadelphia Eagles fan, ate horse poop because came out and said that they would do it if the Eagles won a Super Bowl and then lo and behold the dogs were barking, hold up, wait a minute, they do it and then they have to eat the poop off the ground. That's Philadelphia Eagles football. I mean, that's the way those Philadelphians are. They will support their team till death, but if you stink at all or give any

indication that you stink, it's over. Yeah. It is over. They got high expectations over there for good reasons. I love the way they handle the sandal, or settle the- Different than Indy? Well, that's what I'm saying. Like if any of this shit that happened in Indy was to happen in, I don't know, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, New England, anywhere, you name it. Like this wouldn't have, you know?

I'm with you, man. I'm with you. I came from that era where, if you stunk or you lost and you even didn't interview the following week or like you were roasted if you posted on Twitter or Instagram it was over like your fans would destroy you much less like now it's it's a podcast it's everything like it's all right I mean I'm do what you got to build I know and I understand you got to build your brand do what you have to do do your business think about your next job It's your current job. That's smart. I did it listen. Who would I be to say that but it's just like the way they handle everything

It's like you guys haven't won nothing everybody else in the AFC South is one. That's a stat. I just learned crazy I didn't need to hear that Wow Wild. But I'm happy we got it in now, unless CJ's playing in the Super Bowl, obviously, which is possible with Texans. They can get hot. They get Aziz Alshayir back, which could be a big, you know, momentum swing for that Houston Texans team in the playoffs. He'll stop by, hopefully, Super Bowl Radio Row, and then he'll just say something like, hey, can somebody search the last

time the Colts have won anything? And then it gets pulled up and it's like 10 years, that's what I learned. Right in CJ Stroud's face, 10 years. It'll be 11. Just last year was 10. Oh yeah. Damn.

I got cool shoes on though, I fucking won that. Those are sweet. Oh yeah, nice. You see that? Yeah, those are great. See that number right there? Oh, boom. I just wanna, before we end this,

I just wanna get a full grasp on the situation. You are moving forward with the exact same scenario into next season if you are in charge of the Colts. Me? Yeah. Buddy, I've already laid out plans to the boys and I don't know if we're gonna have enough players to field a team next year for fucking week one with the way I would kind of coach coach GM all staying the same.

What? I'm asking. I'm trying. I wasn't here for that part. Is that what you got from that tweet? Yeah, do some journalism, buddy. All right. Jesus Christ. Snoop around just a little bit, right? Just snoop around just a tiny little bit, James. All right. Well, you said during during my segment you said I don't

think you could change it up because you don't want to make change one and not the other they will I said I don't think they will I think all right and by day we don't even know who's making this it like that was my I had that's the thing who's in charge I don't know ash maybe John Mellon can't maybe be we have no idea blue. That's why I asked I said hey you blues salute service war what they might just say That is very very high up there with some of the most preposterous stuff ever Yeah, you should see what it was announced. Nobody really knew what it was because they made the announcement pretty quick You know they made it they kind of like snuck it in and out there but as somebody that is like tried to

You know really give back this community as a military community Like like just tried my best to be a part of it and like it's kind of just a natural thing whenever they announce This year's salute to service award winner is I was actually like kind of pumped to see who it was and then Blue comes out I'm like all right okay. It means making a mockery of the whole thing. No, it's blue is good. Blue is good.

No, I agree. I agree. Blue is good. But I'm just saying like service military like. Yep. Man, that is insane. A little bit of a mockery. It's not a mockery. Embarrassed him a little bit. It's tough. We fact check that. It's true. It's true. It wasn't blue staff sergeant.

All right. James, we appreciate the hell out of you. Okay. Thanks for really coming on today. I hope you enjoyed your fucking popcorn. Okay. Hope you had a blast. So good. It did look really good. Guys, have a great day. Enjoy Pasadena. That will be awesome. AJ, good luck for your boys. I've sat, I won't see you guys this week. So it's going to be another 10 days. So I'll see you again.

Hopefully a lot of fun, exciting things happen. What a bummer. See you then. All right. It'll be after, it'll be after Black Monday. Whoa. Yes it will. Easy.

Yes it will, J. Who knows what happens that day. Oh, okay. You're talking about when all the Fire So we'll know what we'll know what's going on. All right I I can't wait. I'll have my popcorn ready. Who knows? Maybe you change the whole world up there All you 100% all right, don't put the ladies and gentlemen j. Thanks james All you 100% all right don't put the ladies gentlemen Jay. Thanks, James Happy New Year James. We'll see you next year

Hey everybody calling you JJ Y in your life now? Yeah. That was so funny. That was good. Hey, good. I was cracking up that Coach Saban saw that. Like when I heard Coach Saban say, talk about the skit, I was like, listen, every Coach Saban look at his phone and watch that two minutes, like crack me up.

We showed it to him right before that clip. So what you saw him talking about came immediately after showing him the clip. We saw his face, just like your faces right here on this wall. We saw his face the entire time. He smiled at a couple of things, but there wasn't any big pops. I think he was very flustered on where this was headed. You know, like that was immediately upon getting on the. That was, he was, he was, I think, I think Shane Gillis just in general got him a little

like he's not used to- that was good television. That was good television. He did not like that at all. Your commercial was good commercial. Great. That was good commercial. It was fantastic. It was fun. They did a great job. Went out there to Chester, Pennsylvania. Went out there to Chester, Pennsylvania. Went out there. It's such a cool setup and the way that he does it and the way that his crew and staff and everybody has just had a lot of fun. Just flew out there real quick, did it.

And they were hilarious. Great to work with Shane's, obviously hilarious. Best commercial of the day for all the Netflix shit. No doubt. You know, they're promoting everything. That's the best commercial of the day. You were a part of it. How'd you feel in the booth?

I thought you did good. Thank you. I appreciate it. I love the booth. I really enjoyed it. You get the adrenaline. You get the stadium atmosphere. You get the vibe.

You get the unexpectedness of the game. I really enjoyed it. I mean, I literally had people in my mentions saying that I was all over the Chiefs, and I love the Chiefs too much. Why am I talking so good about the Chiefs? And then I had people in my mentions saying that I was all over the Chiefs and I love the Chiefs too much why am I talking so good about the Chiefs and then I had people in my mentions saying wow can you tell that his brother's on one of these two teams like he loves the Steelers so I learned very quickly what it's like about being a broadcaster I think I did it properly so I had a lot of fun.

Nine Eagle is the greatest Nate did a great job it was fun. Yeah that's what you're looking for right there buddy you either pissed off both people or made both people happy That's all you can ask for. We thought you did great and Nate looks so cool Yeah, he looks so cool. Great red velvet looked exactly like Santa's sash. It was a Beautiful suit. Nate, one thing I'll never ever do in my life is out dress Naples Anything else you think you ever think in your life? Anything else you'll never do in your entire life? How about squirrel dive or squirrel suit dive off the side of a cliff?

You know those things? I wouldn't put that as a no for life. That could be fun in the right scenario. What's the right scenario there? Yeah. Safe. Safe landing. It's not VR.

Yeah. Water. Water. Water. I've done on Vert for Reality, it is. You hit water at 700 miles an hour. No, isn't that the whole point of the suit is that you come in, glide in for a nice easy landing.

Then drop your parachute. Yeah, but not if you hit a mountain first. Yeah, the issue is the mountain that you just jumped off of, you know, because there's a little bit of a breeze sometimes. The only safe scenario is if you have been left. That, the issue is the mountain that you just jumped off, you know, cuz there's a bit of a breeze sometimes Billy safe scenarios if you yeah, that's the point I'm saying I need a I need somewhere where I can get away from the mountain aren't these squirrel suits like where you you just glide down like You can go anywhere in the world. They go through this mountain

Those guys go through the mountains really close you turn that song bitch sideways too like you're a fighter jet I think the pops in the back too so it looks cool yeah put definitely smoke need maybe what color would you what smoke red obviously you put red or would you put that up the Clarence color right there behind you that would be a nice car I would be a nice color going to actually think the the blue would be nice. Yeah What the hell? Yeah, what what's that? Can I turn that off? No, I don't know. They're watching There's a lot of things there has been doing these things So I'm about done with what they do to you guys these photo albums in a new the new phone. It's so stupid I heard it change the bottom. Yeah

You got the new phone. No, it's not Do you not have an iPhone? I haven't done the update. I haven't done the update But now at the bottom it's like recent days. They give you the memories are kind of nice actually, okay So I had somebody ran by AI now so it like categorizes everything the memories are really nice. Okay nice I can't wait for I had somebody say it's crop like they put slideshows together for you It's actually really nice. I can't wait for I had somebody say it's crop what they're doing. What's not together for you? It's actually really that you said that Me I think I got no issues with the album Sounded like it could have been me

Fucking I got a lot of issues with a lot of things But the that's not what the photo album first day you were definitely not happy about definitely I'm the only the only I'm not the best IG game. I mean, he's got a great IG game. Thank you, JD. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a code red for Ty Schmidt. Obviously it's a holiday season. This could be from anything. Good gate.

Let's keep a look at the clock. It's 2.5545 on my clock. Over under 45 wipes. Under. That was so disgusting that you started that and then you acted like it was okay whenever age said a hundred wipes and then he cut it down to 50 then to 40 you're like yeah that's normal and then dig same thing you guys got real problems you're pooping in your hands have you guys heard that? You're acting like it's an everyday you're talking about a once a year occurrence.

Once a year 45 wipes? First of all this was like the main topic when I was down on the field before the game in Pittsburgh. This was like, I had multiple people bringing this up to me. They were like, Jay, this morning over under 15 wipes. I'm like, dude, this is not, I don't want this to be, I got JJ Wa and I've got a hundred wipes. It's not great.

But it's a once a year like, like shit just gets a little sideways. Like it just crazy. You're not walking out sideways. How old are you? There's a lot of people out there on the same size. Mean Agents. How old are you? 35. 35 times this guy's used at least 45 wipes.

What a fucking psycho. I'm not, you cannot tell me that you're walking away from 100% in your entire life, 10 and under. I will say, I will say yes. 100% chance, 10 and under my whole life. I will say, if I get to six or seven, I'm like, God damn. You gotta keep pooping. What is the problem?

Yeah, I gotta sit back down. Yeah, you gotta keep pooping. I gotta sit back down and finish this what is the problem. Yeah, I sit back down. It's got Seven I Said it is all right. I am NOT lying. You guys got problems with your tush. I'm telling this is not I'm with you Pat I'm scratching my head here in this number from these guys. I put and I think a lot of a video You're talking about after that Pizza hut days here where you guys are crushing 10 15 slices of ice So the next day like it right there and just next day. Tell me it all comes out roses smooth easy No, but what do you talk?

45 wipes you could wipe your whole fucking body one time completely clean with 45 Are you going brand new toilet paper every time to this This is a follow up question. You're going brand new every time? AJ, am I solo on this? You're the one that said a hundred. Give me a little backup here. Well, I mean, I was asked the question. I'm saying I'm, I, if it happened with me, it was the 40 or 50 situation. It was younger.

I'm definitely not once a year, but yeah, I'm saying it has happened back in the day when it maybe in my, you know, back in down man, between 10 to 15. No, that's what I said back then when I was younger 45 times you're pulling out let me get in there and we're going in for another round one he's not saying that's every day no wonder the first time why why did chris pratt say that brown marker joke like that that is the like it was a comedy wasn't it? Yeah, but that was a day The show was talking. Yeah, he was talking like in real life I'm worried about you guys speaking of worried. We're going up on three minutes since Ty has exited. This is not a number one code red

This is a number two code red clearly Well, he dude wipe himself with some dingle bells or is the season pass? That's a decision that we're gonna have to find out And wait for his post dump presser judge Your thought about the game tonight. It's a big one Lions taking on the Niners Nothing on the line. Jade nothing lions lose by 50 They still will be playing for the number one seed in the NFC next week against the Minnesota Vikings Lions win by 50 they still will be playing for the number one seed in the NFC next week Against the Minnesota Vikings Lions win by 50 which is possible

It means absolutely nothing. They'll still be playing for the number one seed next week and the Niners are out regardless Nobody thought this season was gonna go the way it has gone for the Niners excited for them to reload this offseason and come Back better than ever next year. Jade. How do you see this game going? It's a really tough one. I'm actually very interested to see how they play it out. I am personally of the belief that you either go all out and play as a perfectly normal situation or you rest your guys completely and let them get ready for next week.

I don't like the middle ground situations where you just kind of see how it goes and then take guys out. But I mean, the Lions are the Lions. They're very beat up, obviously, but they're still just a juggernaut. They know take guys out. But I mean, the Lions and the Lions, they're very beat up obviously, but they're still just a juggernaut. They know how to score. They know how to run the ball.

The Niners hasn't gone anywhere remotely close to what people thought. I'm very confused and I don't even know what to think about them going into next year now. But I think the Lions still. Jade likes the Lions minus three and a half on the road here on Monday Night Football. Biggest game of the year happening next Sunday night, just six days away for this Detroit Lions team.

Darius J. Butler, nine-year NFL vet. Do you like the Lions minus three and a half or the Niners getting points at home? No, I do not. I'm going with the Niners to cover in this one just because of the uncertainty. What's going on with them? Would you sit everybody? this one just because of the uncertainty. What's going on with them? Would you sit everybody? I mean, I would play them just because I feel like that's who Dan Campbell is. But at the same time, they've been so ravaged by injuries and

then you down a bat as well. So like how much do you play Gibbs? Yep. So I mean, it's tough. It's tough. That's why I'm going Niners. You said you'd set them, Jage? I think I would. some more. I'm sitting here thinking about it. I think I would We are now back to green flag racing

What's the number congratulations Ty Schmidt? I I assume he used his dude wipes in there So he's not gonna be able to reach a 45 or 50 number that JJ watt reaches once a year whenever he takes a massive Spun to me. This was an age thing. Stop spinning it to me. You're Giving more information out. We're learning follow-ups. Yeah, we're learning more about Journalism the Stonehenge over there is quiet You asked me the question you asked me a question I gave you an answer I dropped it down because you said once a year you do it 45 and you skipped work last week. You remember?

Oh, yeah, you had to do the the entire Christmas game thing So we haven't been a chance to chat with you. We talked to AJ already work. You weren't on Christmas Day Yeah, never was gonna be this say skip it. I great Christmas How many dude wipes did you use? That's good question one tie what happened? What no dread you almost don't flush you almost dump your pants or what happened very close to shitting my pants I took you know, usually you I don't wait for the in between our two and our three to take a dump because We just don't got that kind of time. We just don't sometimes, you know, we're gonna go a little bit earlier Sometimes we're gonna take our time today. I had no choice

Said I'm gonna have to I haven't taken a dump in like two three days. Sorry. What what what? Yeah traveling I it always happens after you know, I've Saw I said today yes, you know what I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to get shake Shack and I'm gonna have Force it out. I'm gonna have to fucking really. Yeah, just kind of let loose And it was I mean just nasty sludge Exactly just a full full owner not the type of dump you want to be taken But that's why you know, I mean if I had toilet paper Not dude wipes in there

How many was she think if you had to toilet paper? Toilet paper. Well, I just is just so messy But you know dude wipes I think just lopping it around about five wipes five dude wipes Yep. Oh my god that is a no five five wipes with the dude with one dude like correct five dude wipes yeah yeah yeah should break yeah and then you rewiped with the same dude wipes four more times no four more times it No. Four more times is tough. I don't know how I got there.

But at least two more you could get. Yeah, two more. Yeah. With the same wipe? Fold that thing in half. How much food do you guys have coming out of your butts? You guys are using the same wipe? Yeah, I'm not.

Two wipes. You got to fold that in half one time. No. You wipe it once and throw it in. You don't fold it? You got to fold it clean up. Jesus Christ. The folded dude wipes back and clean up in here. Yeah, no wonder you're going through a full roll of toilet paper What is wrong with me yeah

You know full you know, you know what you guys have so you wipe your ass you pull it out I'll put look you're sitting Hold it and then go back in not as agree This gonna sound Vast and I think it'll explain why I was so mind blown. I'm a one to wipe guy Whole life. That's it. Well, that's too hard. I think it's I think it's admirable in my butthole to be that way Yeah, I'm learning that you guys are doing 45 to 50. You're very lucky. But you talk about dude wipes.

That's a fucking easy how you do and keep a moving situation. Forty five. I think it over five times your origami with your dude wipe. What? I don't know how you do it five times. Now, that is an extension of straight butt piss, gentlemen. OK, I'm not talking about like fucking thick clumps of poop in there like it's I was pissing out of my asshole. So like A couple times and it's clean AJ if you made your pick yet D bunches on

Three and a half JJ's on the Lions minus three and a half. JJ also, I think the 45 wipe thing is happening once a month, not once a year. That's what I'm starting to hear. I gotta go wipe my son's ass. He's awake. I gotta- All right, good luck, dad. Thank you, JJ.

Great exit for him. I'll take the Lions. Me too. All right, that's a show. What a day today. What a day. We did good today I think. Hell yeah. The more we learn, the more befuddled we get. Boy.

Oh shit, we got every reaction to it. I completely forgot. Need to do these. Sent out a tweet this morning saying good morning beautiful people. A lot has happened. I can't wait to hear your thoughts about your football team. Why don't you make a post and utilize. Hashtag I don't wait to hear your thoughts about your football team.

Why don't you make a post and utilize... Hashtag I don't want to overreact but... It ended up being the number two overall trend on X in the United States of America. We appreciate everybody for participating. It is so much fun and so cool to scroll through those. The number one trend was a guy who died at 100, former president... Jimmy Carter. Carter. Absolutely. a hundred former president Jimmy Carter Carter absolutely rest in peace. Love peanuts hundred years old love peanuts. He's a peanut eater He was potentially the guy to say Texas Roadhouse peanuts all of them throw them all over the place We're not herm sent sure but he lived to a hundred. Holy shit way to go beat the game rest in peace

He was the number one trend on the United States. His number two was hashtag I don't want to react. But. This is from Boston Connor. Hashtag I don't want to react. But. The Patriots have the best situation for a new staff in front office in the history of the NFL. Number one pick, most cap space in the NFL. Franchise rookie quarterback. It was a fun experience this year, but glory must be restored to New England and glory comes with 25 packs of cigs and Unlimited logs of dip that's Mike Vrabel sounds like con man. You're all in on Vrabes coming back home Yeah, I am this would be an overreaction though. I would classify as that I still think that there are legs to the Mayo era

I did not think about the Schefter scenario about the bills losing on purpose so that the Patriots win I still am not sure if the Patriots scenario about the Bills losing on purpose so that the Patriots win. I still am not sure if the Patriots can win with another team losing on purpose if that is possible, but I still have some faith. Although if it does end ugly and Mayo does get fired, it wouldn't be the worst case scenario for Mike Vrabel or Ben Johnson to come in. I don't know if you ordered enough logs of dib.

Have his own farm. Yeah, you're right. I don't think have his own farm yeah you're right I don't know maybe it's possible they can open they can open it up up there I mean and you forgot vapes too right he's a vape yeah vapes in Massachusetts don't do too well just because the rules there now but you can go out to New Hampshire oh you can't vape in Massachusetts you don't get all the cool flavors there's a lot of teams that are gonna want Vrabel's services. I think you should know he can't vape up. You can, I just don't know what flavor. He's not a flavor guy. Yeah if he's a menthol tobacco guy then he's fine, which I assume he is. What a dog Vrabel. His contract with the

Cleveland Browns is up today I believe it was reported AJ Hawk. Yeah I mean Braves is an absolute hot commodity. I do wonder where he could land but the Patriots job like yeah I don't I don't think it could happen, but it would not shock me if he is named the Patriots coach eventually He's in the Patriots ring of honor right? Yeah Loves New England Got the red jacket Red jacket Love that red jacket

Yeah Who gives a shit Happy Gilmore 2's coming out It is Let's go to the next overreaction from Gumpi Hashtag I don't want to overreact. After starting the season 2 and 6, the Dolphins have fought too thin now to stay

LERKING in the playoff hunt. Gotta handle our business against the Jets and we're a Carl Wenz master class away from a chance to break the 24 year drought. See you in the playoffs. Hashtag Go Finns. Gumpsh not an overreaction. I cannot express the roller coaster this season has been,

but the fight that this team has shown has been actually incredible. They were dead at two and six going into Los Angeles, play the Rams on Monday night, win that game. They've kept winning. They fought. So I am proud of this Dolphins team, whether we make the playoffs or not.

Huntley looked a lot better against the Browns than he did earlier in the year. The two of stuffs worrisome. Yeah. Two of stuffs worrisome. It kind of came out of nowhere in my eyes. I didn't expect it whenever I turned on the game and Huntley was playing, I was like, what did I miss? I go back through to, I had a hip,

same hip that he had surgery on, which was the Bo Jackson injury, modern advances in science, got him back to playing sport where Bo Jackson was not. Hopefully's okay let's go to the next overreaction is from Chris C at C2 you can see one they see to like Chrissy yeah that like the classes what's up the C2 classes you guys have those or no oh you're talking about cutting metal no no no and nevermind. There's like honors classes. There's C one classes and then there were C two classes in my era.

Are those Dom? Yeah. Yeah. That's why I thought that name was awesome. Okay. So Chris potentially we're not a hundred percent sure. Hashtag. I don't want to react, but Raheem Morris is not a head coach and should never get the chance again. Two minute drill timeouts is coaching 101. Sucked at Tampa Bay was the assistant head coach for 28 3 Completely fumbled this whole season bro ain't it in Arthur blank a car who's gonna let it happen Geez, oh we see to bringing an a bomb to this guy. What happened here? Was this a lot of Atlanta reaction? Yeah, a lot of people who are done with

Rahim Unfortunately, I don't necessarily get it, but that was most of the sentiment today. Penix comes in, has a couple good balls. I think he's a guy. He had to score, had to walk down the field, had to make a throw to score with less than a minute, and he did.

I think he checked all the boxes of being a guy. Kirk Cousins in uniform on the sideline, hands in pocket, interesting. Just kind of watch it all unfold. But then Jaden Daniels does what I think Jaden Daniels is going to do going forward. I actually put out a tweet after that game was like, future NFL's in the spot.

Future NFL's in a real good spot with those two. I guess Atlanta says we need to be in a new spot. Can't blame them. Here we go to the next one. This one's from Patrick Wilson at pop a pump OC. Okay, hashtag I don't want to overreact, but the Chargers put the league on notice Saturday Justin the second coming Herbert and the rest of his squad are following the greatest head coach of our time They're promised land and there is nothing Patty Mahomes Joe burrow or even Taylor Swift can do

I don't know if Papa pump once is go ahead and fucking Spark up that tree the Taylor Swift one, but that Chargers win was awesome to watch age I mean Justin Herbert I I love watching the dude, but man, you can't give Harbaugh enough credit for this team, what he's able to do in under a year. It's just, he's changed everything and there's hope now for a long time. This is him after the game in the locker room. Credit goes to all you guys, players, coaches, mostly the players though. guys, players, coaches, mostly the players though. Mostly the players though. And then he gave a couple more wise words of wisdom and he said, man this feels good. I told him I want to give everybody a high five. Fucking everybody starts having fun. And then to you players, for he's a jolly good fellow.

For he's a jolly good fellow. For he's a jo Caffella, which nobody can deny. And then he goes right into who's got it better than us. Nobody. They are right at walk it off. It's like Jim Harbaugh is awesome. You knew it. You seen it. You said it, D. Butch. I don't want to put you on the,

oh, just like I fucking said it would train. But for the Chargers, you were very early on. Yeah. Justin Herbert I think we all saw his talent talented enough to make me a fan of the team And so you knew all he needed was a head coach in the organization kind of behind him They brought in obviously hardball his culture. We've been talking about culture all day long We saw his culture firsthand in Michigan what they were able to do him coming back to the NFL Getting this team on track bringing Jesse mentor over on the defensive side, they've been great all year long.

So they got all the pieces to not only compete now, but the future is very, very bright for the Chargers. All right, let's go to the next overreaction shall we? This is from Ivar at the underscore Scalds. What's that mean? Is that a reference to something? I don't know. I thought that was just like some Icelandic Viking shit.

Okay. It looks very Viking. Hashtag I don't want to react, but the Vikings are a team of destiny. Sam Donald is the MVP. KOC is the coach of the year. We're going to win on Sunday and take the number one seed and the bye. And then we're going to get blown out at home. Skull Vikings, hashtag always the bridesmaid.

Never the bride. What's that all about, AJ? I don't know. I mean, honestly, I was thinking about this earlier when I saw Sam Darnold and how fun it was in the locker room and how we've championed this guy and how he's revamped his career. I hope Sam is enjoying the ride because sometimes it does end in the playoffs pretty quickly.

So I hope no matter what happens in the playoffs, Sam Darnold is still awesome and he's still had a great year. That is the crazy thing about the playoffs. Biggest, most important game, most heightened environment and it's all over tomorrow if we lose a Scald is a composer and reciter of poems honoring heroes and their deeds in this particular case Ivar was talking about this particular Vikings group of heroes a lot of Vikings fans with a realistic view on things like this or no I'd say there there are more than I expected just because the Vikings are potentially gonna be the number one seed

But it was it was split between that and like why aren't we talking about Sam Darnold for MVP legit? I it's all he's on tones watches now tone had Joe burrow on before a lot of other people because of the history We were watching with Joe burrow becomes first quarterback with eight straight games of something something something forever forever better than everybody ever in history Yeah, 250 yards in three touch and watching him with what Zack Taylor decided to do Brown goes down at the one yard line sprains his ankle light sprain. He'll be back They say they had the opportunity just kneel it out from the one now you would do that. I guess if you Didn't trust the kicker was gonna make the kick and he would go on to make a miss a 35 yarder I think in the next series

But on the one yard line, right in the middle of the fucking field, like 19 yards, Cade could shank a 19 yarder you think would be able to go straight in. That was very ugly. And obviously he thought it was very bad, him getting up and walking off.

But like them choosing to score the next play, I didn't fully. That was very confusing. I was so confused. And it was like, all alright, so one of your guys Either thought to himself. Oh, I should go down or was told he should go down and in the process He springs his ankle and you know what fuck this in vain. We're gonna score on the next it doesn't even matter Like just I guess you think your kickers gonna miss

But if you think he's gonna miss a 20-yarder for the middle of the field Like you guys aren't gonna win any games anyways, if that's the person that's kicking for you. Now he would go on to miss. So I guess Zach Taylor would probably be able to say that and the Bengals would inevitably win. But, geez, when that decision was being made, I was like. This is the dumbest thing I've seen. And I was pulling for the Bengals at the time,

because the Colts and all the teams that were lurking were like, Bengals, we need you. Then Sean Payton not going for two. I don't what are we? Yeah, that was yeah that was weird I didn't fully understand that either and then he came out and said well if we tied it meant we went in there it's like so you think there's gonna be a whole nother quarter of Joe Burrow not scoring it I don't I don't a lot of decisions made there at the end of the game where it was like what the fuck is happening but bangles win and they gave a lot of us an opportunity

to continue to cheer for our team, so we appreciate that. But that was wild. They gotta figure out making kicks though. Is Money Mac out for the year? Yeah, I think so. Damn. Kade out of LSU, if you do recall. Huge leg, fucking monstrous leg.

That's why when I hit that upright it was so loud. He hit that thing square. I mean, that was a fucking fool. Yeah, we'll see. He got drafted to Cleveland. And we talk about this cold weather with these college teams. I can't imagine an LSU dude just showing up in fucking Cleveland and being like, yeah, you got to kick here.

What is this? Oh, it's the worst place. Not only because of here, but also because where you're going to play, like everywhere you're going to play is going to suck. Cincinnati sucks. Cold, windy. It's on a river as well somehow. You're on a lake here, they're on a fucking river. Then where you're gonna go, Pittsburgh, what are they on? Fucking three rivers, there's three rivers. They're fucking on the rivers and Baltimore's got a fucking bay where it's coming

in off a goddamn Atlantic. So everywhere you kick is gonna be terrible. So Cade got kind of baptizing that. Now he's on the Bengals and it's like he has the ability. He hit a game winner for him last week and then this week he clanks Bengals and it's like he has the ability he hit a game-winner for him last week And then this week he clanks that one. It's like a lot of it's mental I think whenever you get in that cold and windy it was a it was a bad day for the Bengals kickers Even of the past so at a halftime in this game. Do we play with Shane Graham? I know Shane Graham Did he play her enough? Here in Indy. No, okay

So halftime they had like a giveaway, pizza giveaway for the entire stadium. And I think it was three contestants maybe, and the last one faked an injury. Out comes our guy, Shane Craven. No way. No, no. I think it's like a 20, maybe 30 yard field goal.

Obviously he's dressed as a civilian. And boy, it did not go well. No way. He missed all of them. Shane, one more chance, one more chance. Another Shane. No. I know Shane too, I don't know where I crossed paths

with him, I don't know where it was but. Shane's a good man. Somebody brought this to my attention and I did a little research on it. Did you see what happened in Shane? Shane will make the next one and the one more kick chance get very loud It gets uncomfortable because the amount of pressure that gets placed on the kicker Obviously, we feel that every Saturday college game day. How about Jacksonville, Tennessee? Do you see the pregame? Oh, it was off

Oh my god, Jacksonville, Tennessee pregame. Oh, yeah, it's in Jacksonville. Okay, this is a Jackson D'aville also known as Jax Him, D'Aville, in a video game, taking on Will Levis, okay, in a punch out game. That's gonna beat Will's ass. You would think, this is in Jacksonville, look at the crowd, 15 of them going mild at the whole entire thing.

They're watching it, and guess what happens inevitably? You nailed it, knockout, not even a knockdown. Knockout, Tennessee Titans, how you doing? You nailed it. Knocked out, not even a knock down. Knock out, Tennessee Titans. How you doing? Keep it moving. That's in their fucking building. Imagine a coach, dog walking out and going, what are we doing here? Kidding me?

Go back in the locker room boys. We're not fucking. Don't look up, don't look up. That's why, and I think it was the Jackson, the end of the video there is right. That's a Jacksonville cheerleader that was, I think fighting for a Jackson if the end of the video there is right. That's a Jacksonville cheerleader That was I think fighting for both sides there. Mm-hmm. How in the fuck is it even possible for Jack's him to lose? They said we want an option should not be an option. Yeah, it should have been him verse Tony No, just don't eat on should have been in there. Yeah shit out of will should have had no weapons

We'll have a should have not been no one know how to throw maybe no weapons. Will Levis shoulda not been, shoulda even know how to throw, maybe no arms, no legs. Just Matt, make the motherfucker a Matt. And Jax Ham just steps, maybe it's like, maybe this is what Jax Ham does. DER. The entire time, yeah, maybe. When I saw that, I was like, god damn. And we're gonna lose to him this week.

We're gonna lose to that team. Well, it doesn't matter anyways. For any side. Win or lose. Finish strong, boys. Island of irrelevancy. They gave a 45 points to the Giants. Bounce back.

That must win. Drew Lock though. Big bounce back. Was there any overreactions about Drew Lock being the future of the NFL? A couple, hey, we found our bridge quarterback. Bridge? No, I'm talking about future forever.

Well, there were a few like, hey, him and Malik Nevers, you do not want to see them the next couple years. I've only seen them one time in there Let's go to another overreaction shall we this one's from Jordan at Jay money Kearns This guy's a money guy hashtag. I don't overreact but KOC and MC DC fucking own matla floor three and nine against the vikes and Lions the last three years Putting on a guardian cap and letting AJ fuck me up in Oklahoma drill

would be less painful than the Packers in the first half of games. Packers are frauds. Ty, you go through these and pick these. You picking a Packers one like that. Wow, what's that all about? It was a good overreaction because I wouldn't necessarily say they're frauds, but it is definitely concerning that they seemingly can't really beat the Vikings and the Lions because I don't think every single year the NFC North is going to be getting

three teams in the playoffs but I think same deal you know young team they probably are about a year away and you know they kind of do themselves hey if you know you want to be a contender they're gauntlet if they were to like go to the Super Bowl oh boy is it gonna be fucking tough so they kind of did it to themselves but we'll see they do they, they just, they start so slow. And then a lot of games against these good teams are the situation we saw yesterday where they're down, you know, 13 to 17 points

in the fourth quarter with like six minutes left. They scored two quick touchdowns. They ended up, you know, they're down two. And then, I mean, you know, you pin it on the defense, but like they had, they have no chance to actually win the game. So we'll see, it looked a lot closer than it really was yesterday But they're still young and they're still probably about a year to about a year out age

That's what I think about the Packers about a year out about a year Yeah They got it got to figure out how to like how to win those big games like everyone has to learn how to win the Packers They're good team They know how to win but you got to find a way to put you over the hump in those big games that really matter I think they're doing it right though to be clear, but I do love that the Packers fans One year or one week. Ah, then big win happens. It's like Wait a minute hold on and then I lose happens our loss happens. It's like every time we play somebody go we suck. So

Maybe next year and then if you guys guys win here, going forward, holy shit, Jordan Love is way ahead of schedule. Is it still Toyota fun? Here we go in this entire thing. Yadda, yadda, yadda. And then I just think next year, I think it's Packers year. That's why I try to keep it in perspective still, is because Jordan Love still hasn't, I mean, he's started less than 30 games. He's still kind of figuring things out.

They're in a much better spot than a Lot of teams in the league. So it's like not Colts. Well, you know, it's cool. Maybe not I suppose but yeah Colts are staring down a nice refresh Ten years I was what's that? Ten years refresh. I was gonna say I was you just hit a nice little reset on that whole team whole building All right, everybody come on in shut the doors put your phones down comes in We're gonna be pumping some stuff in a room. Somebody's coming around with like it's a boom box And then you know that thing that's like that puts out fire so they go, yeah, they got one of those just

Nandor facility And then you know that thing that's like that puts out fires bingo. Yep. They got one of those just in the indoor facility Pumping on a wall skin. I don't care about football even less No, and I already do no somebody's gonna be in there the person's gonna push them to like football more. Okay and care about it Oh, yeah, maybe your team will try it out. No, we don't need that What do you need? We need some big boys. We need some beef. We need some offensive line. That's all we need We just need beef. Drake Mays a dog. Let's go to the next overreaction. Shall we? This is from Trevor Cash at tcash 176 hashtag. I don't overreact but Fuck that. I'm overreacting. I'm 35 last time the commanders were this good

I was in diapers learning to walk our Super Bowl window is now Hashtag hail. Hail to the commanders. Hail to the commanders. Left hand up were the commanders. Good for them. They were in the pits of hell. Laughing stock of laughing stocks Cannot even talk about being a fan of the team because the first thing that's gonna be brought up is a litany of bad things that Have happened to you the first thing could be anything Oh your owner this your owner that your stadium is falling apart your team stinks. You've got rid of this You have no name. You have no fucking you ever good boom bad, but but but but but but new ownership comes in

Jane Daniels is your quarterback scary Terry McLaurin and he get along just fine Defenses balling Cliff Kingsbury Dan Quinn flip a thing. It's like magic happens overnight seemingly for the wash Did you hear the chant last night by chance? What was it? There was a Josh Harris chant in the stadium last night Wow Good for Josh air deserves. Yeah, he had to feel so good Remember we watch him do an interview there early during preseason did not go well handshake It was high five handshake. It was weird Damn this season. Yeah, feel like forever. That wasn't this winning winning helps that pick can't be it was This first year. I think it was and we all said yeah commanders be good

Yeah, obviously, it'll be better what they were because what they were is like fucking bomb poop And then all of a sudden it's like Jayden Danos is doing the same thing CJ Stroud did last year I don't think we're ever gonna see that again and then Dan Quinn with the backwards hat holy fuck this guy found something Cliff Kingsbury you don't have to worry about anything but calling plays whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa now they're dancing. Congrats Washington. You guys deserve it. You guys deserve it. Let's go to the next overreaction show. This is from Darius the Sagittarius. At its DJ 666. Whoa.

Whoa, a little devil, huh? What's up, Satan? Jesus. Hashtag I don't overreact, but I still believe. But watching the Broncos. Bover? Bover throw their chances after two actual miracles was almost as heartbreaking as watching Joey B put the Broncos defense and Riley Moss on all fours and give them the Chuck Baganu treatment all game. The Waffles? What? That's what I inferred yeah. He's talking about the Waffles?

Cheese-a-Wish. Cheese-a-Wish. I'm tired from Broncos Bover throw. I thought that was a nice touch as well That's pretty good Sean Peyton and Bo obviously put themselves in a position to make the playoffs still but with the way They've been able to operate with a 55 million dollar deficit and Bill said they're free from that next year I don't think they are I think they get another hit next year. Yes, they do from the rest of Wilson deal I think it was a two-year thing, but nonetheless they're on the right direction that owner Walton's They got to feel like they've done a good job over there, too Yeah, new ownership in Washington winning new ownership in Denver finally winning, you know First couple years of Ruston workout, but now we're ready to roll good for all parties

leagues values only Had some good football games, yes we did. We needed them. We said that shite is only going to lead to prosperity. All the bad was going to lead to some good at some point. Have to sit through the rain to see the flowers. And that's what we did. There was a lot of bad football. Then we got some great football games.

No thanks to your team. No thanks to your team. Pretty good game. 45 points. Yeah. Shoot out. Playoff implications on the line, it was a pretty good game. Tough for me to watch.

I couldn't stomach it early. Let's get the fuck out of here. I can't take it. They'll be back. Let's go to the next overreaction. That's not an overreaction. Sebastian Nellie Fortuna. At Flaming Hamsters.

Alright. Okay. Hashtag I don't ever react, Sebastian Nelly Fortuna at Flaming Hamsters. All right. Okay. Hashtag I don't ever react, but as a Pats fan, the Josh Allen bills will win more division crowns than the Tom Brady Patriots heartbreak. Flaming hamsters onto something here. Conman. Flaming hamsters. Sure.

Who gives a fuck about the division crowns? Okay. They can have them Well, they win more than six Super Bowls. I doubt it flaming hamster wants a home playoff game again. Yeah Don't we have a flaming hamster and so do I but when we're talking about who gives a shit bowls the division champion Those fall into the who gives a shit bowl. Yeah. Yeah exactly Have fun hang your division title banner because no one gives a fuck about those. Well, the Flamin' Hamster says, I want to home playoff game.

I'm sick of this. I want to the Flamin' Hamster is actually at the game. Were your fans chanting fourth quarter? They're chanting Fire Mayo. What? No. Fire Mayo. Yes, they were.

Krafft's actually shot the windows. He said, turn John Bon Jovi up. Turn this. Shut the fuck windows. That was happening. That was awful. I don't want to hear. A lot of booze.

Why? A lot of empty seats. Yeah. And a lot of fire mayo, James. What if the crafts are actually pumping that in? Push it, do it. Turn it louder. That would support my theory

that I'm pretty sure isn't that theory. All right, let's go. Let's go to the next overreaction. You know what he's talking about? I don't. You do know what he's talking about. I don't want to know what he's talking about. Yeah, you do. Let's go to the next overreaction. You know what he's talking about? I don't. You do know what he's talking about. I don't want to know what he's talking about. Yeah, you do. Let's go to the next overreaction. This is from Andrew Shockley. Who is the Pittsburgh news guy? Andrew Shockley. Yes. Not to be confused with Andrew Shockley at the real Shockley. Hashtag I don't want to overreact but the Giants are a doomed franchise. All they had to do was lose two games to finish the season and get the number one pick All they had to do was lose which they become pretty fucking good at and they couldn't even do that properly fire

John Moore The owner is not fireable. He's not but this particular owner might be on the look on the hunt to fire some people Especially if we continue to show that hard knocks clip where he said, if Saquon Barkley was to go to the Philadelphia Eagles, it'd be really hard for me to sleep at night. What do you think this guy's heart palpitations are like every single Sunday,

whenever he has to open his phone or he gets a text from somebody and says, you see Saquon just went for another 200 fucking yards today, hey, did you see the Eagles are still in the lead in the NFC East? Hey, you see the Eagles are still in the lead in the NFC East hey you see the Eagles are fucking favorite to get Saquon's MVP Joe Mars I hate this place Joe Shane though, Dave O got another opportunity mm-hmm one more year we mean another game or another year more year one more

year one more year Bruce Brown is that how everybody feels about Giants fandom? Yeah, I mean the backlash to winning is loud. I do think that Joe Shane and Dave all both do stay in the next year. And I'm just enjoying the hope that we do have Malik neighbors. We got Tyrone Tracy, some nice young pieces. Obviously, first priority above everything else is that we gotta go get a quarterback. It felt like it was going to be Shador or Cam Ward going into this weekend.

Now who fucking knows? So time will tell. I believe that Joe Shane will figure out the quarterback position and it will be much better next year. He will figure out the quarterback position. He's got a gem in the waiting. He's got the apple of his eye. He's got Carson Beck at number 10.

I didn't think about Carson Beck because he was being talked about as maybe top five going into the season. He has an injury now, obviously, on the elbow, which is a big part of the whole thing. He'll be supporting the dogs throughout, but he is declaring for the NFL. Maybe Carson Beck is the Giants next guy. He just screams New York Giant quarterback. Maybe we go up to Connada and get Curtis Rourke. Nice fit at MizLife.

You're talking about Kid. Canada's little brother It done card is trade up to one sexy Dex II Three first and a second come on up. So you're negotiating deals is number one overall picker Yep, Raiders can go Max Crosby two first two twos. Come on up. Okay, so you're just letting you just floating some things Just ideas just if you I mean you want a franchise QB you want the future Do you want to be able to win in the league? Sure, come to the table. The Colts going the number one after Peyton Manning's run

and getting luck. And now the Patriots ended up at number one after getting a franchise quarterback. It makes you wonder, how do these teams that win all the time always seem to have things go their way? That's how it works. Colts needed one of those. We need to somehow just fall to three.

Well, you went to four. But I'm saying we need to get back down there. Yeah, Pats are the only team guaranteed to have a top five pick. OK. So we're in it, gentlemen. We are fucking back. If we get the number one pick, we

can trade back a couple times. The amount of picks you could get for that number one overall. Oh my God. Especially because the teams that need a quarterback, like there are four teams. You might be able to get two number ones from this year, one number one from next year because you're going to swap with somebody. Let's get an extra one and then maybe one from next year just to get up there. If people get desperate enough, that's how much the number one overall pick is worth.

So you can really improve your team quickly. You think about the Houston Texans did when they go back to back that high up in there it's like you can flip your team if you make and you look at the Lions I mean I know the Penne draft class didn't turn them around immediately but you get a Penne or another offense alignment in the first 20 picks you got a chance. Changes everything. And they didn't have you know like that team didn't have the rookie QB contract in the most cap space in the league Like we do so it's like we can do that with the draft and we can do it with free agency. It's just

We'll see what happens. There is real if nobody wants to come up and get one of these quarterbacks There is a chance that that happens although that hasn't been the case as of late now Everybody thinks every quarterbacks gonna be great especially with this last rookie class I'm sure you look at Jaden doing well Drake doing well Bo has done well Pennex we think is gonna be a guy there Caleb he's in the middle of the upper-inch club yeah plus the should do Deon press tour that's about to happen I think we've already saw the start of it what did you do I put a tweet out calling people idiots what was he calling people idiots for? What happened? For picking them in the bowl game?

No, I picked them and- I did too. I guess BYU was the right answer there. They- Supermature. They were not happy with the announcements from that game, I know that. Who wasn't? BYU folks? A lot of people just in general.

Oh, you guys are sucking off Colorado the whole time they get an ass kick. Well I saw Shador throw a touchdown to Travis and it was, they were down 28 maybe at the time? Yeah, 28. And got posted on all the socials. I was like, oh Travis Hunter gets why it's like you are asking for people to hate these people.

You are asking for people to hate Travis and Shador and this entire thing. They did get their asses beat by BYU But what they did to Colorado you cannot understate. I mean flipped an entire program around Did you hear Sherman talk about Travis and Chador going into the NFL? Oh that how they would dominate. Yeah Yeah, he thinks are already pros basically now Will he be able to build up enough a team to really have success over there priming him? Okay, we need missions we shall see still very early. Let's go to another over reaction shall we? This is Logan Epley at Logan underscore Epley hashtag I don't want to overreact but the Colts are done

I'm gonna get rid of everyone and I mean everyone stinking Ballard ARJT hell even her say get them all going I'd prefer to watch a CFP jingle on repeat for a month straight rather than watch another Colts game Hashtag sell the team Logan. You said it brother Foxy. Can you please run that beautiful CFP footage? It's more games and a lot more fun Starting with 12, counting down to 1 That's how we crown a C&P National Champion

That's how we crown a C&P National Champion Comparison champs keep the dream alive 1 through 4 get a first round by She's 5 to 8, hoes 9 to 12 Winners move on and the crowd's all here For her finals New Year's six

Both on rotating bases Could be your all time favorite team Or somebody new bursting on the scene We're mixing things up, it's about time Most schools get a shot to shine It's more games and a lot more fun. Starting with 12, counting down to one. That's how we crown a CFB National Champion.

You're right, holy fuck. That was a great overreaction. Have we asked Marty, did he record that first time, no flubs? Marty is not singing it. That was recorded by a couple boys down there in Nashville. The reason why I know that is because they have sent messages saying, hey, thanks for highlighting the song

we pieced together down there. I was like, no problem. Stapleton? No, Stapleton was not a part. I think the songwriter's behind the scenes. As long as it was in Nashville, we're good. It was in Nashville, I do believe. These people have cut their teeth down to kitchen.

We're gonna write a song. We're mixing things up. It's in Nashville. I do believe these people have cut their teeth down the car. I'm gonna get it song Or mix and things. Oh, it's about time More schools get a shot to shine a lot of the literature school shot shy What are we starting with H I don't know 12 Say the number. Starting with 12, counting down to one. There it is. Thank you. I'm almost immune to that video.

I've seen it so many times. It's like it's not even. You're building up antibodies to something you love. Jesus Christ. What's good, that next overreaction. This is Alabama news, at owl underscore news, hashtag I don't overreact, but. The Bengals are the scariest team in the NFL right now

Buffalo Beals have to be shitting their pants at the thought of playing the Bengals in the first round of the playoffs I'll tell you Joey B is he's Unbelievable. I will say Zach Taylor great work over there. Sure. He made some decisions in that game I somebody was pulling for the Bengals while watching that game go what the fuck is this guy doing what is this guy why are we what is going on here and obviously you have the belief in Joe Burrow that he's gonna be able to figure it out and he did and they did and they get a huge win but man they made it harder on themselves than they needed it to be a

lot harder on themselves than they needed to be that team's ready to roll though yeah very questionable coaching decision we've seen some some of that with the bills this year as well, but I wouldn't be from the Buffalo Bills. What they have right now would not be scared to play anyone going to playoffs. Me neither. All right, let's get the hell out of here. We'll be back on Thursday.

We'll be live from the Rose Bowl, 5 p.m. Eastern on ESPN2 on Wednesday. So honored to be a part of that. Pumped. Hell yeah. You think he's gonna be pouting the whole fucking time if Ohio State doesn't play great? 5pm Eastern on ESPN2 on Wednesday. So honored to be a part of that. Pumped. Hell yeah. You think he's going to be patting the whole fucking time

if Ohio State doesn't play grand? Without a doubt. Better be or he's not a true fan. Yeah. They're going to be all right. They'll be all right. I'm not worried. Are you going to be all right though

is what we're wondering. Oh yeah. It's going to be great. Great day. Great night. Yeah. You were doing some patting though down there in Georgia. Was doing a little bit of patting. Remember? Yeah. You remember that?

A little pat and your car got broken into, and then you're a potting all over the place. And then this one. We love it. And then against Tennessee, there was a pass breakup. You remember him celebrating a pass? I loved that from AJ. Me too.

I don't know how it was taken. I've never seen that bias. Me neither. I was pumped to watch him get excited. Big pass breakup, and AJ goes, ooh. You know, like, he got like, I saw him like, oh, AJ is very fucking pumped for this Ohio State Buckeye team. As you should be.

They put an ass beating down on that Tennessee Volk. And just like what happened after they lose to Michigan, they go play Georgia, they played their best ball against Georgia. Free, confident, swagged out all over the place. They did the same against Tennessee. Can they carry that into the Rose Bowl? And in Oregon, they've just been waiting.

Yeah. It's about time. Yeah, that's what they're doing. Oh yeah. Maybe their school gets a shot to shine down there. It's a big old game. And a lot of fun. And there's two of them, but there's only gonna be one.

Bingo. And that's how. We crown the CFP Rose Bowl Champion. And let's get out of here boys. Thank you all so much for allowing us to do this for a living. Shout out to Dude Wipes, shout out to Seat Geek, shout out to all of you, shout out to AJ. Remember PAT2024, $30 off all tickets. It doesn't matter if you have shopped or SeatGeek before, any ticket. Now granted, if it's less than 30 bucks, that ain't gonna work.

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Boys, let's enjoy these next couple days. Here we go. Yes, oh yeah. Team on me, team on three. One, two, three, team. Goodbye!