The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1277 - JJ Watt, Puka Nacua, Dan Orlovsky, NFL Films VP Keith Cossrow, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: January 15, 2025

On today’s show, Pat, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about the situation in Pittsburgh and all the rumors circulating around Russell Wilson and Arthur Smith, and AQ Shipley gives his top 8 power rankings for both offensive lines and teams overall left in the playoffs, and Darius Butler highlights the best Defensive back plays of Suuuuuper Wild Card weekend. Pat and the boys are also joined by several great guests including 12 year NFL veteran at QB and ESPN NFL analyst, Dan Orlovsky; future Hall of Famer, 3x DPOY, and analyst for the NFL on CBS, JJ Watt; All-Pro and Pro Bowl WR for the LA Rams, Puka Nacua; and Vice President of NFL Film, Keith Cossrow. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode the Thunderdome on this wild Wednesday January 15 2045 this program starts now Football is awesome. And obviously I'm super fashionable. Okay, this is a Camouflage shirt that my wife caught me for Christmas. I'm a 37 year old This seems like a midlife crisis on your screen, but it was the only shirt I had in the office. I don't love it, but here we are. Also take a look at this snowy cityscape here of Indianapolis, Indiana, created by AI and Zeet collab.

Wanna let you know it's cold as the dickens here in the Midwest. We hope you are A-okay, obviously out there in California. Tease and peace for everything you have going on still I believe there's another gust of wind coming through We couldn't fathom the devastation that's taking place over there We will continue to try to be the distraction on the screen the doofuses who will hopefully Try to lighten up your day a little bit today. JJ watt will be joining us

Dan Olovsky will be joining us and Keith Cosgrove who is a Yenzer who's been working at NFL Films for 25 plus years will be joining us in a third hour on YouTube, ESPN+, Disney+, and three more days. Yeah. TikTok Live. Drink it in. I don't want to say we were ahead of this and people that have followed the program for a long time, okay sorry in 2017 when I retired, we were ahead of a lot of things, world news things, okay? We talked about Jim Kong a lot, people thought we were just making things up and then all of a sudden guess who shot an 18 on a golf course? RIPIP. Jim Kong. Made a whole song about him. Let's talk about this guy, he's a menace, there's a little bit going on over here. We called the first upset of the 2020 election.

What was going to happen because we had been following tea leaves. And we have been the only program that has been openly saying, hey, they need to figure it out with TikTok. TikTok is going to end this Sunday, allegedly. Whoa. China who owns it, which has been a big part of the problem. I hear and the entire thing. If you've been paying attention to it they said we'll start we'll shut it down we got no problems and then mr. wonderful said I'll buy it and we said okay mr. wonderful where the fuck are you finding 60 billion dollars from I'm sure you'd be able to figure it out he drops off Elon

potentially about I guess he's out we need Bezos or one of these big money Americans yeah to cut and not saying Elon is in America you get it But we need somebody big money that's associated with the United States of America to buy this thing and this might just be a leverage Play by China with tick-tock, but they're saying they're shutting this thing down on Sunday. They're shutting it down So to our tick-tock live crew a record-breaking day yesterday It's been fun True on to talk. It's been fun. True honor. To talk. It's been an honor and obviously to talk the man who edits all

of our TikToks and has found a nice little career here. Yes. Lived in, lived a good little life. Yep. He's done on Sunday. It's over. Sharpening. Gonna have to fire him. I know. Guys losing jobs. Yeah. Over here cuz the entirety of it all but let's enjoy it while we have talk still in the building. Sure. There's people talking about maybe just, not only just firing them, but

Yeah, public. Erasing him, yeah. I don't think we should do that. That seems a little. I mean, guillotine on the center of the stage. See, that's what's being pitched by the talk to the table. That's at boss Connor, at Ty Schmidt. We won't be doing that.

We will miss talk. He potentially just transitions into reels. A lot of transitions happening these days. He potentially transitions from talk into reels on Sunday, but that's TBD, you know, in this entire thing. We would like to let TikTok know, don't shut it down. Don't shut it down. Let's keep it going, you know?

But let's also make sure it's in the right hands. And who is in right hands? Just saw Zuckerberg do an entire interview. Is that the right hand? I don't know, because the way things are going. Wild world, wild time to be alive. Lucky to be here. We just know TikTok is on its...

Last legs. It is. Yeah. Sad. On that. Can't let China win. Again. Not even for a second.

Not for a second. That's what they're saying. Exactly. Nine-year NFL vet who wins all the time, Darius J. Butler is here. Yes, sir. D-Buch. D-Buch, I don't have theck app on my phone. I do not either

I do not know how tick-tock operates But I do know our shows on tick-tock and I do know whenever I go around the country For college game day and I see they say we watch your clips on tick-tock and once again That's because of how talented talk is everything that guy's got one ear on the show one ear on the edit He's captioning every single word. I don't think he stops working for a 10 hour period straight. This guy's plugged in, dialed in all day. It's over. I refuse to download it as well because I'm a rabbit hole type of guy. I feel like it's too, way too many rabbit holes on TikTok. Huge search engine too. A lot of people, kids, older folks, hey, I want to go on vacation here. I want to learn how to build this, learn

how to take pictures. Let me look on TikTok. So it is a valuable place and space. I think it's, I still think it's too big to fill. Yeah. Well, you've been saying that since the beginning. Yep. China said, we'll shut it down. We'll shut it down. We'll see. And America said, yeah, go ahead. Shut it down. You got our youth in the palm of your hands. That's what you think. They do. They do. Everybody's on that thing. And you said rabbit hole. From my understanding of watching hands, that's what you think? They do. They do. Everybody's on that thing. And you said rabbit hole. From my understanding of watching Mitt, whoa, dude, TikTok, it is just a rabbit,

that's what it is. It is actually built to be a rabbit hole, one after another, after another, after another, after another, after another. You look up, holy shit, China's got me locked in here for the last hour and a half. Exactly, I'm Chinese now. Speaking Mandarin.

That's what happens, yeah. That's what they're saying. Yeah. I don't know enough about it because I what happens. Yeah. That's what they're saying. Yeah. I don't know enough about it because I don't have, but that is what they're saying. Yeah. Foxy planned an entire honeymoon off of TikTok. Yeah, I was planning on doing that again, but now I can't.

So I'm pretty bummed out. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What do you mean, you planned another honeymoon? Oh, yeah, vacation. We got vacation coming up. We got to plan that. OK. All he uses is chocolate.

Another honeymoon would mean another wedding, which we do not want. We've already had two. Well, if I say it's my honeymoon, then I can get a lot of free stuff. So I might do that actually. Yeah. Always at the places you're going. It's either a birthday or a honeymoon for sure.

Even if it's just an added benefit of the chocolate strawberries or an extra robe or two, certainly worthy of getting back something. So definitely a birthday trip or a honeymoon trip all the time. That's a nice little life hack there, Foxy. Yeah, definitely. And also I would say out of all the social media platforms, TikTok is definitely the friendliest to our program specifically.

Really? The program? They love the program over there on TikTok. So positive, good vibes all the time. Oh, we do get banned off there quickly. Yeah. You mentioned something, and all of a sudden your show's been taken down or you piss off some people

and they just attack it, reporting you're taken down. Like I think a lot of a sudden your show's been taken down or you piss off some people and they just attack it reporting you're Taking down like I think a lot of ARS fans won after us I use fans So it's done will piss off some people in certain companies don't attack our tick tock report it and they'll take us down But tick tock's been good thus. Yeah, I don't know how it works, but it's been good thus and we're appreciative of that and I'm gonna miss talk around here. I know me too It's good kid. It's a good kid. So I'm gonna miss silence for him. The most dialed in editor in the history of editing. The only thing you ever heard from him was his loud ass feet pummeling a

treadmill at the end of a day after editing 45 TikToks and captioning them all. A couple of them will get sent through and I go nope I'm not doing that and he goes wow thanks for wasting 35 minutes of my life he doesn't care never bitches never complains just continues to work Never bitches never complains just continues to work a robot in human form Talk had a great run here talk great work, buddy. Don't miss you talk Fall on his feet Flat he will fall on his flat feet. That is something he would do. There's talk right there and it's time in it That's kind of apropos is that that he was clock as it is it is time in it. It's kind of apropos. It is apropos. That he was as clock as it is.

It is time. Talk is a Massachusetts legend. A Fairfield stag. Yeah. An Emmy Award winner at his previous job. And for us, he was an absolute nuke on TikTok. And I think it's because of the threat of nukes, why? TikTok is going to stop. Exactly. Which that AI photo, it's because of the threat of nukes, why TikTok is going to stop.

Exactly. Which that AI photo, you know, it's supposed to be snow, but through the camera, sure looks like Indy's taking one to the chit. This is Indianapolis, Indiana, obviously, clearly you can see it. A lot of buildings. There's more buildings than just these buildings, but that is it. The future's bright, not for talk, but for everybody else. Let's never forget that.

Let's enjoy this life. 12 year NFL vet is here Also a big tick tocker Super Bowl champion a Q shipley Just joined this year. I'm on tick tock you have tick tock on your phone. Yeah, see they got you that They've been listening that's potentially why you're getting whenever you get home could be we don't know if that a Q shipley is a a you get home. Could be. We don't know if that. AQ Shipley is a drunk driver accident survivor last week, correct? That's correct. I don't want to give away too much of your business. Yeah. You land back in Phoenix after doing your AQ in the trenches stuff here and you're driving home.

That's right. And some boozed up lady comes popping out of a bar, smashes you. Airbags? Airbags, front, gone, totaled, everything. You're okay though? Stomach bruised beyond belief. What do you mean, I don't think I understand what you mean. It's crazy. It's bruised. What do you mean it's bruised? I thought it was airbagged, these guys tell me it's seatbelt. Oh, because you had your seatbelt on? Yeah, I did. You're a good guy. How about that? How about that booze bag lady trying to take you out? Unbelievable. Lucky it was you in an SUV, could have been anybody else in this stage drunk driving done, Arizona very They don't treat drunk drivers. Well, right back. See ya. Yeah, I put car see ya put her in a can and center into the sea

Talks doing the same thing here on Sunday. That's right. Let's talk some ball. Shall we let's go to hammer dad dad Let's talk some ball, shall we? Let's go to Hammer. Duh, duh. AP Tone, we're learning a lot about the Pittsburgh Steelers. Did you see the Mark Kaboli report on X? Mark Kaboli, who is a contributor to this particular program and the WWE. D-Bone makes his graphics for every one of his tweets

that he writes out. I think he's done a great job kind of changing the local sports reporter game. Just post on X, and the views that he's getting on some of these are hundreds of thousands where maybe in the past it was just tens of thousands whatever the case more people are able to see the local reporting which is a beautiful thing the local reporters deserve to continue to exist the local reporters you know have a beat on the things that are going on

which is why they are beat reporters. Mark Kaboli is certainly the first of many I assume they'll be taking his talents strictly to X because there's no real length limit or you can just type up an entire article. In the article that he released yesterday, kind of surrounding and involving the Pittsburgh Steelers, he said reports surfaced during the year that offense coordinator Ari Smith preferred fields over Wilson but that was never substantiated, says Mark Caboli. Never substantiated. He was being talked about. There's rumblings. Still despite Wilson

and Smith spending countless hours together after the typical workday watching film and publicly joking about it, team source says recently said that Wilson and Smith did not have a very good working relationship but fought through their differences as best they could. Whoa. I thought these two were thick as thieves. Just yesterday we were talking about maybe Russ and Artie Smith going to a team together because of how much they are. Allegedly their wives had to joke about how much time

they're spending together instead of spending with the family. Now Caboli's saying maybe they aren't getting along. Now Artie Smith is interviewing for a couple of head coaching jobs. Russell Wilson's a free agent. I'm seeing him work out. He looks unbelievable.

He's back to work. He's back to work with team three. He's back to work. Oh, yeah, he's back to work right team three already He's back to work. He said, you know, the grind never stops new year new season. Let's get back to work What are your thoughts on everything? That's kind of unfolding with this Pittsburgh Steelers team pickings late to the Christmas game amongst other things Artie Smith Russell Wilson Allegedly potentially not on the same page Justin Fields obviously not as much like during the season But now he's being spoke about a little bit more glowingly by people potentially not on the same page. Justin Fields, obviously not as much like during the season, but now he's being spoke about a little bit more

glowingly by people. Where do the Pittsburgh Steelers fall right now? And what are your thoughts on the future from your particular standpoint? Obviously things could be better. Things could be a lot better. They're not great right now cause there's a lot of stuff coming out

and not a lot of it is good. The Artie Smith and Russell Wilson stuff wouldn't be super surprising to me. You know, Artie Smith, a lot of it is good. The Artie Smith and Russell Wilson stuff wouldn't be super surprising to me. You know, Artie Smith, a salt of the earth mustachio man. Russell Wilson wears his own jersey, you know, a lot. We know Russ, we know team three. He was great for us all season long, but you know, the oil and water type situation that could be between him and Artie Smith is not exactly surprising, but you know, they are professionals.

So they tried to work together, you know, and Artie Smith spoke glowingly of Justin Fields all year and Mike Tomlin was asked, you know, did Justin Fields show enough that he could be the starter for this team next year? And Mike Tomlin said, absolutely. So if I'm reading the tea leaves, I would personally put my money on Justin Fields to be the potential starter for next year. One, I think he'll be cheaper, um, in he's much, much, much younger than Russell Wilson is. And we're trying to find the future.

Other than, I mean, the George Pickens stuff, Mike Tolman said he's got a lot of growing to do. I know a lot of Steelers fans wouldn't be sad if there's a lot of, hey, let's just trade GP and get this over with situations going around. You know, we've had wide receivers in the past, you know, George or sorry, Antonio Brown, Deontay Johnson, Clay Chase, Claypool. There's, there's becoming a bit of a trend in Pittsburgh with the wide receivers while they are very good. Well, one of them hall of fame.

The other one's not so much. So let's make sure we remember that, you know, everybody bring the Steelers fans. I think bring up AB, AB, AB, AB It's like a B also best player on the football field Yes, these other guys not you know I mean maybe George Pickens will Become that with the amount of ability that he has an amount of talent he has but hasn't happened just yet Maybe it's the offense. Maybe it's him, but like I think you're willing to go through that with a B because it's like yes this guy This guy. Work his ass off too. At practice it was a worker like that is what he's known it you don't become that great without all the work it was just also

you know everything else so kind of surrounding AB that Tomlin had to navigate in the go. Deontay Johnson they're coming out saying this guy's the biggest bum that has ever come through the NFL wasted talent because of an attitude problem He's been on four different teams in the last eight months He just got cut from a playoff team because after a win he was potting about how many times he got the ball You're new to the team pal. You just got there. You guys just won the playoffs Can't be poutin to Miko says get the hell out of here to Deontay Johnson and Chase Claypool I mean that first year is was great. 10 touchdowns.

Had a lot of other people in the field with him too, right? Yeah. At that time. Yeah. And then obviously he becomes a TikTok. Yeah. Fashion guy. Ju-Ju, thanks. Turned into a Chinese guy. No, he's Canadian.

No, I know. Canadian Chinese. You're talking about TikTok taking him down. Exactly. That's maybe when Gallagher and the government said, we gotta stop TikTok. This needs to stop now. It's taking down NFL players.

This is Gallagher's deal? These guys are too busy. Well, if it's anti-China, you know it's Gallagher. But these NFL guys are doing all this, doing the dances. We just want ball. TikTok's doing it. And then he started snooping around. He said, let's get him out of there.

But to your point about the wide receivers at the Pittsburgh Steelers It's like how come it only happens there seemingly it doesn't happen everywhere else I think it does happen everywhere else the Steelers though just get amplified because they're always gonna be in the playoffs always gonna win And then they're gonna fail and then you start pointing out. What's the issues? Well, there's red flags here. There's red flags here There's red flags here. Let's red flags here. There's red flags here. Let's go to a 12 year NFL veteran Super Bowl champion former member of the Pittsburgh Steelers Actually drafted to the Pittsburgh Steelers if I do recall AQ Shipley back in your hometown of Pittsburgh a lot of drama right now saying there's gonna be changes on all levels

What does that mean to you as somebody that's been around ball? The biggest issue that Pittsburgh keeps doing is they just keep putting band-aids on things They don't do a full wholesale change. So it's like, okay, we're gonna take one person out, but nothing gets actually fixed. And it's constant over and over again. There's a quarterback issue there. So, okay, we're gonna get rid of Russell. We're gonna put Justin Fields back in.

It's the same guy you had the first five weeks of the season you didn't feel comfortable with. So now we're gonna go back. Now all of a sudden he's great. Now we're a playoff team. We're gonna win playoff games. I just don't see that happening receiver wise you're relying on George Pickens it's continuously the same problem over and over again so how do we do that we just

put a band-aid on it we just do that defensively same stuff we got issues we got glaring issues but we get a new defensive coordinator or we'll fire a coach and we'll bring a new coach in again put a band-aid on it we never actually fix the problem but they're able to win in spite of all this but not enough to actually win but not enough losses to get a good draft pick. So it's like, they're kind of stuck in his purgatory, which is why Yenzers are so pissed off. That's right.

That's exactly right. I mean, it's constant. You go eight and nine or nine and eight or 10 and seven or whatever it is. You're always going to be a 15 through 20 pick. You can't get a top tier quarterback. You can't get exactly what you need to fix the program. And then we feel good about it

because we're winning enough, but we're not winning the whole thing How's Mr. Shipps? How's Pop feel about the whole thing? He's over it. He's over it. He's throwing in the towel Oh no He doesn't mind living in his misery. He's still a Pirates fan, right? He's looking forward to Pirate season. Exactly. That's where he is

Excuse me? Yeah, we're talking Jenser fuck his dad I mean you're talking full on You know just like Tim out there and I think think all Yenzer's are feeling the same exact Way it's like yeah, it's fun to be above 500. That's cool. That sounds great We go over to Cleveland drive over to a mistake on a lake. We say how you guys doing you guys stink look at us We're above 500 That's basically what Steelers fans are done with that's not saying it's Mike Tomlin's issue either. This is an entire

Organization program tradition Hopefully they're able to make some wholesale changes and actually make some changes and be able to get to the next step or all of them fail and they go way down the other way and then maybe some actual changes can take place. Nonetheless I would love Mike Tomlin to be the coach of my team which is I think what 28 teams are saying whenever they hear Steelers fans bitch about what's going on in Pittsburgh. Yeah exactly so for for like a, you know, like is that something where Tomlin would have to leave? I'm in the same boat where it's like, hey, just went through a terrible year.

Last two years have been terrible. Would love to have above 500 Mike Tomlin, but obviously don't want to lose every year in the first round of the playoffs. Like, can you do wholesale changes while keeping the same head coach throughout, you know, the last 10 years? Yeah, sometimes I think you just need to separate. I think there's a point in time where sometimes it just wears out its welcome. He's a phenomenal football coach, but sometimes over time, the same guy in the same situation in the same building becomes stale, period. And it just becomes 10 and 7, and it just becomes what you are.

I'm not saying that that's the answer, but that's what I feel. That is exactly what I feel. At sometimes it's okay, even when things are good or okay to separate. Yeah, and I think there's a freshness too. And whenever there's a void at the top, there's another need to kind of impress people. But to Connor's point, the grass is not always greener.

Usually never is. And like I get the whole new voice. That was kind of the thing we were spinning with Belichick when I say we it was like people who wanted to keep Belichick but still you know, it was too late It's like hey, maybe a new voice will help and obviously it didn't so that's why it's one of those things We're like Belichick at least his last year is four and 13 So it's like hey you can move on from a coach when you go four and 13 But when it went with Pittsburgh, they're not losing joining us now

Ladies and gentlemen is a a member of the Bull Ring of Honor down there for the Houston Texans one of only four people I do believe he'll be a first ballot Hall of Famer whenever he's available. He's built like an avatar Mm-hmm. I think we all forget just how big he is until he's in a photo with some normal-sized human being and you go Jesus Christ What is this thing? Well, this thing is JJ one Hey judge, how you doing? Hey, great, how you guys doing? Hey, I heard we're talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers

here as we wrap up, and obviously you have a tie to it. You have Fam, Familia over there for the Steelers, one of the pillars of that Pittsburgh Steelers team. And there's been a lot of chatter about the most expensive defense in ball is that Pittsburgh Steelers defense, and they weren't able to get the job done and you know the Ravens obviously do what they did to the Steelers in the playoffs. What are your thoughts on the entirety?

I heard Teage say he needs to be more willing to do more. I think he took on some ownership in the failures. What are your thoughts on how the Steelers currently are set up for the future? Yeah I don't think there's any denying what happened at the end of the season. You lose five in a row while your direct division opponent goes on and wins five in a row and is headed looking like an absolute wagon heading into the next round of the playoffs. Very very tough scene the other night, obviously. I mean, defense giving up that many yards, offense not really being able to move the ball.

It's a tough situation, man. mean it's it's like everybody said I mean everybody's kind of talked through it all already in the good enough But not good enough scenario which puts you in a very difficult place And that's just kind of where they are right now And it's finding a way to break through that finding a way to take that next step figuring out Why is some of those end of the season first round of playoff failures and what has created that is it something with the systems is something with the way they do things with the end of the year what is it. I think that's the answer is everybody inside and outside of that building is trying to find at the moment. How long is TJ locked down for there with Steelers? Three more years? No, he's got one year left on his deal so it's uh. Oh shit. Contract year for TJ? Yeah he looks like a variable. No I mean

it's that kind of work. I mean there's only one left so he'd be a free agent after this coming season. Yeah that's okay. True free agent. Contract year. He's about to get 20 sacks next year. Let's assume TJ gets to the quarterback 20. Not that he wouldn't normally but if there's a con how many times has Teej got? To a contract here. Is this the second time now? I mean you you ever going to the one last year contract I mean, I I don't know many people are going into the last year a contract like that I got franchise tagged after my contract was over, but I didn't get a deal done before you're saying he'll get extended Okay, tone. Are you sure there's a lot of problems. There's gonna be changes at all levels They said who's gonna be making the change from hammer Don time

Teej is not one of those problems and does not need to do anything He will get extended because he's a stealer for life How much you paying him tone as much as he wants boy? Remember he kicked down a door You get the deal done last time he was kind kind of sick of the meddling and the agent. I do think he knows like he said, like you talked about, like I do think that he knows that there can be some moving around, there can be some ways to get some of these chips, some of these double teams. There's things that can be done here to try and minimize that because it's very clear that there is heavy, heavy keying on exactly

where he's gonna be and just throwing a significant number of bodies at him and putting obstacles in the way. So moving around certainly does help that. And I think it's something that he's just recently said that he's more open to in the future and is gonna work on. Okay, can't wait to see what he ends up and what he adds to his bag you know we got every right side maybe up the gut a little bit maybe a little bit you know cuz jage you used to

move a lot they used to move around now granted you are I mean teaches a monster we understand it but you are an actual giant of a big so you could play tackle on defense line at your size if you had a couple more burgers. How tall are you? Six six. How heavy? 290 was when I was playing 280 now. Geez. Take on this guy.

Look at this human. This human. Yeah. Come on inside, Jage. Come on inside. Yeah. He had leverage at all times. Okay. Low man wins.

Ain't that right? That's always right. Short arms win. Eh, not always. Simplest fact in football, easiest one that everybody forgets, low man wins, baby. That's right. Low man wins. Yeah, unless you're 6'6", 2'9", and low man can just get eh, eh.

Dumped. You know, one of those things. Let's talk about the teams that are doing that. You talked about the Ravens rattling off a bunch of wins at the end of the season. They had three games in 11 days, won them all. Then they continue to kind of dominate on the offensive side of the ball while their defense figures it all out. They're taking on the Buffalo Beals this weekend.

Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, MVP versus MVP runner up. First team all pro versus second team all pro. This is a dream matchup, especially this particular season. Josh Allen coming in the year, loses a lot of known names on his team, still able to lead his squad into a beautiful place at home playoff games and everything like that. Lamar Jackson is actually playing the best ball that he's ever played in this Munkun offense. He's spinning it, he's running again because his mom told him he needs to do that. Both these guys these guys high high level football

This is a dream dream dream matchup on CBS Sunday at 630 Jade what are your thoughts on the Buffalo Beals because you've already kind of talked about the Ravens and what does this matchup come down to in your eyes I Mean, this is this is obviously Unbelievable game can't wait to watch it no idea what's gonna happen but they're just I mean just two phenomenal teams the two top MVP candidates like it's it's gonna be I'm hoping that it's everything that we all think it could turn out to be because it has a chance to be one of those epic all-timer games

I mean it's so hard to look at it and try and break it down here because you have the Ravens who in my opinion even From the very beginning of the year. Yeah, they lost five games But like from beginning of the year when you have Derek Henry and Lamar Jackson the same backfield that puts teams in such a bind For how you're gonna stop that and what you're gonna do and then you go on the flip side and you have the Bills Who have Josh Allen who can do absolutely anything and I'm with you before the season I was one of those people that said I don't know how they replaced some of these pieces. I don't know how they are this is kind of one of those rebuilding years and all they

did was go out there and just dominate and crush people and easily move on to the next round so this is two titans going at it. You have to find a way to stop the Lamar Derrick Henry like you just you have to find a way clearly stop the Lamar Derrick Henry. You have to find a way. Clearly the Steelers did not have the proper plan for the zone read and for everything that they were doing with that. So the Bills have to find a way to slow that combination down. But then the problem is you put the ball in Lamar's hands in the air and he's been doing it through the air as well.

So that's why as a defensive player, man, it is such a bitch to play against that offense because it's so hard and Josh Allen's also doing everything on the other side it's not not fun to be a defensive player against either of these guys. Well especially now this late in the season obviously this point of the playoffs it's only gonna be the great teams remaining and we had a reaction we reiterate this fact because we don't get everything right but when we do I think we should take a victory lap when Derek Henry signed to the Baltimore Ravens this particular program was like that's not fair that That feels like that's not a fair thing Especially with Ricard being there right and then Mark Andrews and likely and then you got Lamar Jackson his fast player on the field

He said he was striding at 21 miles an hour It's like that's a lot of power and a lot of explosion all in one shot the Munkin taking advantage of the entirety and I think Lamar has found his oh yeah I think it's right here I think it's a little three-quarter I think that is his motion just like Matthew Stafford very similar motion I think it took him some time to figure that out he can put the ball in a keyhole right now and that is the difference between Lamar this year versus Lamar in the past Lamar has always been able to throw the ball like good like he's always been a good throw an NFL quarterback probably like uh 12 to 20 arm-wise 12 to 20 arm-wise always has been but his legs number one so you take

12 and number one together you got a lead quarterback it's going to win multiple MVPs now he's like top five thrower and still number one runner It's like this guy is confidence levels through the roof They're putting a lot of mic'd up stuff out because they're on hard knocks Obviously AFC North the Ravens that will continue for however long they are We'll talk to Keith Cosgrove NFL Films here in about an hour and a half about that But like this the looseness in the confidence in which Lamar is playing right now He feels like he can do anything and he can.

And the way the team is set up, they're the real deal, brother. And then Josh is the same exact thing, it feels like, with Buffalo. Actually, I don't want to say losing, Stephon Diggs made them better because obviously you lose a great player, you're gonna take a hit somewhere, but it's like Josh had no stress on it from anybody. It's like, hey, this is your team. You do whatever the hell you want to do on every single play. Don's like, hey, this is your team. You do whatever the hell you wanna do on every single play. Don't feel like you gotta make everybody happy. It's like, both these guys are playing their best ball. Sucks that one of them's gotta go home in the division round.

But it's great for us, D-Butch. It's gonna be great entertainment. With Lamar, it's kinda similar to almost what's going on with Tomlin and the Steelers from the outside in. Cause like when Lamar had Greg Roman, a lot of people were like, hey, you know, he's winning the VPs, it's a run dominant offense. He's doing all these great things But at some point he needs to be challenged to become the better pass to become the guy that can read and dissect

Defenses from the pocket so they want their separate brought in top market You know, this is second full year in this offense and they have just grown like it's always been a game plan Hey make eight beat you from the pocket keep him cagey And make him do that now he can do that and he's using his legs more on passing plays Design runs you got Derek Henry a wildcat Lamar coming across in motion like all that type of shit This team is damn. They're impossible to stop they got to beat themselves almost on offense It feels like Lamar is at the point in his life where he feels like he's proved that he's a good quarterback Mm-hmm cuz there for a bit it felt like he was trying to prove to the world that he was a quarterback

He was kind of sick of people saying well this guy's a running back playing quarterback. You know they even mentioned it after games I'm not saying we said that but that is what a narrative was about Lamar Jackson It feels like he's at a point of his career now after watch ways where he's comfortable like okay I'm cemented as a great quarterback like that is it so now he's just doing whatever the best option is. And I love that it took his mom being like, hey, I'm sick of not watching you cook people. Because with the ball in his hands, he's the best guy on the field. He's the best guy on the field with the ball in his hands anytime he's on the field. And it's like now he's confident and free to kind of make whatever it's like. That's fun. Yet somehow after this game, one of these two quarterbacks is gonna lose and we

know that somehow after this game we're gonna have all sorts of reports like oh that guy's not he can't do it he can't win like I mean like we got two MVP can't it's two of the best of all time going at each other one of them's gonna lose and we're gonna be like this guy stinks he might have three MVPs I don't care he's terrible. Oh Josh Allen can't even win the MVP. It is the best year Josh ever had can't even win the MVP. Yeah. Yeah it's like that is legitimately what's going to happen the day after. So on this particular Wednesday we would like to say boys thanks for the seasons you guys had. Great year. Great year. Great year by you guys. Now let's talk about the guy who has been able to get the job done, obviously.

He's 29 years old, he's already won multiple Super Bowls, he's already changed the game, he's already in the GOAT conversation. He's taken on a phenomenal team out of the AFC South. AQ, she has a question for you, Jage. Yeah, so the Houston Texans, let's talk a little bit about their defense and can you also touch on Joe Tooney moving out to left tackle and the problems he's about to be faced with when he goes against the Neil Hunter and Will Anderson Yeah, I mean obviously the Texas defense was just incredible to watch. I know Pat

I hope you and the rest of the AFC South got a real good chance to tune into that Yeah, thanks for representing for us. Thanks for representing Down here from the AFC South. Yeah, we're drop. We're another playoff victory. Yeah. Thank you the AFC South. He's holding it down. Holding it down out here from the AFC South. Yeah, because remember, we're a crop. We're in another playoff victory. Thank you, the AFC South. There's divisions that don't have a playoff victory in years. So AFC South, yet again, it's a fucking buzzsaw. Just so happened, Houston Texans snuck in to the divisional,

to winning the AFC South. Wasn't an easy division. Trevor Lawrence, everybody's talking about this guy. Can he make it or not? He plays in the AFC South. The. Okay the kitchen is hot in the AFC South. Will Levis this guy's a but he plays in the AFC South. Hold on. Anthony Richardson this guy's tapping on the gate. Yeah you know why? It's AFC South football. Okay that is what AFC South football is about. So we were watching along thank you for

representing the division right? Isn't that what we were saying? Damn right. Yeah. I'm afraid we're kind of becoming like one of those shitty SEC teams who just... Vandy? Yeah. We are not Vandy. Boom, boom. We got Diego. The old Vandy.

The old Vandy. You know, you might be, oh, yeah, AMC South is... AMC South is the SEC, though, whenever you talk about thank you. So that is accurate, what you're saying. It's like Rutgers. Yeah, no teams in the title game. I was going to say SEC is not the top dog Country yeah, you're damn right north exact. That's why I'm wearing this camo

Yeah, cuz I'm out here. Yeah hunting. I got an orange hat I was gonna wear so the deer, you know, they can't see it cuz they're colorblind to shit But the other people won't shoot me cuz they see a floating head bouncing through oh we got a goon or a goblin nothing boom shooting but I got an orange hat I'll put on you're right for the north you're saying we're Rutgers Rutgers the Mac almost Maryland yeah no we're in the same division that that's the conference that's the whole thing we're not in a different car I thought you guys were like UMass moving up,

moving on up to the big. UMass? Yeah. I'm about done with this. That's a mass hole. And what's the student section up there at UMass? Zoo mass. The zoo, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, zoo mass. And maybe we do got good vibes in the AFC. Nonetheless, the AFC South is Big Ten football. Okay, okay. And that's just fact of the matter. That's it. And all four teams can get the job done. At the moment though, Houston's doing it for us. Houston's doing it for us. Houston's doing it. Hey, shout to you. Aims to South's going to Berlin. Wait till you get your eyes on

the Colts over there. Guten Tag! That was announced this morning. Stay over there. They're taking eight. Berlin Colts. All right, anyways, Judge, let's get back. This is your sentencing. Let's get back, let's pop back. So anyway, so the beginning of the game, for me, was awesome. I think everybody watching hated it because it was pure defense, but for me, seeing Daniel Hunter, Will Anderson Jr.,

Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, seeing these guys tee off was great. Also slightly worrisome, because didn't know if any points were going to be scored whatsoever in this game and wasn't looking good. Then clearly the turning point of the game was the fumbled snap. CJ turns it into a long pass and then he scrambles on the next one, takes us down and that turned out to be the momentum changer. Clearly almost like a like a light went on in his head like, oh yeah, I am one of the best players in the world. I'm going to go best players in the world.

I'm going to go over here and take over. But this Texas defense, I think we give a ton of credit to the edge rushers and rightfully so I think there's so many other guys that also contribute to the two corners of lockdowns. I mean, you got Lassner and Stingley who are absolute lockdowns. You got the backers who are playing good. You have the guys inside the Niko Autry, Mario Edwards, some of these guys like this defense is a legitimate Super Bowl caliber defense. It's a matter of if we can put it all together and keep it all together and obviously

we all understand the monumental task at hand going into Kansas City up against Patrick Mahomes in the three-time champs. So but this defense is the real deal. Okay, so obviously three time champs. So, but this defense is the real deal. Okay. So obviously, uh, Stingley is all everything DB team. So congrats to him and just days after the all everything DB team is revealed, he gets two picks. That's nice. Thank you for doing that. Thank you for doing that for the all. Derwin James had a pretty good game too. I know it was on a, you know, shortening the stick, but

I think you had a pick in a Fumber cover or something like that. They called his pick bag. It was close yeah we'll say we'll give it to him we'll give it to him shout out to all everything DB team getting it right mm-hmm getting it right well no matter how much there was bitching and moaning from other teams in the middle of the segment as we're debuting it somebody was just wow yeah yeah it's not to all everything tissue team pal yeah yeah got Stingley right I wonder how that other corner did Yeah, that guy for the Broncos the bills really went ahead. How do you do butch?

You know everyone has their day art. Yeah, still my winning defense player to you. Gonzo had a great Sunday last week Played his asshole Jade his second part of his question for make huge there was toony moving out to tackle, you know Tony puts a left up like that's an awesome move for the team and I saw a clip uh last night on the internet Maybe memorable football Moments on x or something like that. I forget there's a lot of really good accounts that are pulling up stuff out of the vault Uh, andy reed and brett farve at the green bay packers brett farve They start the clip. I think after the situation happens bre Brett Favre looks at Andy Reid and he goes, I love you man. And Andy Reid goes, I know you do. Yeah, I know you do. We'll see if you do after I

get chewed out. And then coach comes over and he goes, what the hell happened on the alignment or whatever? And Andy Reid cuts off Brett Favre and he goes, I called it in wrong, that's on me, it's on Brett, yada yada. It takes the blame basically for Brett Favre. And coach, who was the coach? Mike Holmgren. Mike Holmgren goes it was first 15, how do you get it wrong? It was first 15, I was like Andy Reid, that's on me, that's on me, that's on me. But in that moment obviously everybody knew Brett Favre got it wrong. But Andy Reid's like first reaction was like he wasn't a proven coach yet, he was still a young coach. He like, no I'll take this for you because he knew it could affect Brett for the rest of the game.

He also I think wanted to prove like to his team what type of guy he is. And I think Andy Reid as a coach, obviously, we chit chat about this dynasty the Chiefs are in the middle of. We talk about Bill Belichick being in the greatest of all time, which he certainly is. And he has had to shoot down reports that he's going back to the NFL basically every single day since getting this North Carolina job. But in that one mic'd up clip from whenever he was at the Packers, I think I learned everything I needed to learn about Andy Reid. He relates to his players, I think he loves his players,

he's a super genius. And Joe Tuni moving out to tackle, I think he's just a good indicator of the culture that they have there. Tuni could potentially be Hall of Fame guard, right? 100%. Hall of Fame guard in this entire thing. So to say, you know what?

To hell with it. In the biggest year where we're trying to win our third Lombardi straight, contracts are always gonna be talked about in football. For him to say, put know what, to hell with it. In the biggest year where we're trying to win our third Lombardi straight, contracts are always gonna be talked about in football. For him to say, put me on an island, even though my body type is not the right body type for this. Even though my skillset is not the right skillset for this. That's why I've been in here.

That's why I'm a Hall of Famer in here. For him to put his left up and go out there, I think that showcases the culture that they have over there at the Chiefs. What do you think about this particular team that the Chiefs are taking against the Houston Texans? And what do you think about Tooney? And what do you think that says about potential,

you know, three in a row for them? I think you've encapsulated it perfectly. And I do think that that clip shows exactly why people love playing for Andrew Reid, why he does such a great job with his teams. I've been saying it most of this season in that the Patrick Mahomes has been spreading the ball around sometimes shorter throws just

matriculating the ball down the field because they aren't making some of those big explosive plays like they used to in the past, but they're doing what they have to do to win. Whoever is open gets the ball. However short the pass is, everybody is doing just what they have to do to win games. They haven't been winning games by these huge margins all year long, but it doesn't matter All you need to do is win the game We talked about Travis Kelsey last year with the 16 yards short of a thousand yards to keep the streak going But do what's through whatever is best for the team every single guy on that Chiefs team knows It doesn't matter about me. It doesn't matter about my individual stats

This is about winning Super Bowls and Andy Reid has done that better than anybody getting these guys to buy in knowing that just trust me I will put you in the best position and we will win games we will win Super Bowls just buy into what we're doing here and clearly it's something that's worked extremely well and clearly everybody's bought in and I mean that's how you win three Super Bowls and you're going for four. And having that guy isn't a bad reason either. Patrick Mahomes to your point about just willing to sacrifice a lot of stats and everything like that to just win games because Patrick Mahomes at

this stage of his career with everything he's accomplished could be a diva, could be a prima donna, he could want to get rid of an offense that doesn't have him throw it 35- 40 times a game so he can run those numbers up. Instead, just like last year, he wasn't scared at all to hand that thing off 25, 30 times a game. I'm only gonna have 17 to 22 pass attempts

to dispatch my homes that we're talking about. And you know, people are comparing him to Tom Brady already. I think Tom Brady had that as well. That's why whenever people say, you know, Bill used to coach Tom just like he coaches everybody else. He used to chew out Tom every single team meeting

in front of the rest of the team so everybody else knew that that could happen. It's like, not everybody's just gonna take that shit. Like that's a talent that Tom Brady had. That's a trait that Tom Brady had that made him great. There's a lot of guys that'll be like, nah, this shit ain't happening. You didn't get me out of here.

I'm not getting embarrassed in front of my team. Feels like Patrick Mahomes has that same, and you know who else does on this graphic This is CJ Stroud guy. Mm-hmm. You know, it's like this hasn't been the best year for CJ I think he would admit that I think he would acknowledge that a lot of injuries but then Nico Collins gets back on the field and it's like CJ probably feels a Reinvigoration of like hope and optimism and those two are lethal. Those two are an absolute problem That's why whenever they bring in Stefan Diggs,

they're like, wait a second, if we can kind of maybe make this a little bit easier for both parties, our offense should get opened up. They've had a lot of injuries. They've had a lot of situations. CJ played great in wild card, just like he did last year in wild card. Biggest moments, he plays his best ball.

I love this game, Chiefs and Texans. I love Ravensbills. Let's head over to the NFC now. Deepuch has a question for you, Jay. I love Ravensville's let's head over to the NFC now deep much has a question for you, James I think those that's games will come down to who can block who can keep their quarterbacks upright But I'm speaking of defenses this Eagles defense Vic Fangio He's come over and had his Eagles defense being one of the best especially down the stretch had a good outing last week as well I know they lost the Kobe Dean for the rest of the playoff run But what's your thoughts on this Eagles defense facing Matt Stafford is Rams offense

And now did you see that little flick that Stafford did to avoid the second one to talk so net to Yeah, I'll start with the Eagles defense and then I'll get to that flick because I got thoughts on it but the Eagles defense I feel like is almost getting overshadowed by their offense, because obviously Saquon and everything, the offensive line is done, and the way that they've been playing this year. The Eagles defense doesn't get enough credit. I mean, they are a phenomenal unit.

And I think obviously a Badger, Zach Bond, playing out of his mind, also playing special teams, dominating all pro, just the defense in general has been so fun to watch so enjoyable and they're a massive reason why they're here and after watching the Rams the other night of course they're gonna need to play extremely well because Stafford is playing as good as he's played and he looks great now let's get to the flip because I want to talk about it

brilliant play brilliant play by Stafford. As the rules are written, it is a legitimate play. He flipped the ball in the general direction, at least somewhere in the vicinity of Bukunukua. He knew that he had a guy somewhere in that area because he knows the plays, he knows where he's gonna be, so he just does a little flick and yes, that is absolutely within the rules. That is absolutely not intentional grounding as is called today now Besides a spike has there ever been a ball that was more intentionally headed for the ground I mean think about you're doing everything that you possibly can as a pass rusher.

You finally get back there, you go to get a sack, you got them all wrapped up, can't hit him in the head, can't hit him in the knees, can't hit him low, can't hit him high, got to hit him perfectly, roll off of him when you hit the ground. And then all he has to do is that and you don't get your sack everything that you worked for. That's a heady play. Sorry about it. Welcome to the NFL.

Welcome to the NFL. I don't know how you would change the rule. I don't know how you could possibly like make this a rule but man that sucks ass as a pass rusher. There's not always gonna be somebody in the vicinity and they're not gonna be able to do that but Matthew Stafford knowing that and I think they would say Karen Williams was in the vicinity too if Puka was not there because Puka and Karen run into each other. So they're actually in a similar position there. But Matthew Stafford just being dialed in that much. Incredible. Can I just be clear to that? Could you think, so Bill was on the Manning cast when this happened and Eli Payton, they both saw it.

Fumble, fumble, gotta be a fumble. And Bill was like, nope, incomplete. Incomplete is gonna be incomplete pass. And then once they called it incomplete, Bill was like, come on, it's an offensive league you know, it's no no rules are meant to help defenders But this was crazy like you said genius for knowing the rules because as soon as he got up he was like nah That would be picked up. It's a thing. It's a pass. How about like also the Bill said was it Bill or Lombardi? Hmm. I forget it was They said they'll never say something's uncatchable in the NFL because of how athletic the wide

receivers are. So like even if it's an overthrow by like 10 yards, you're very rarely going to hear an NFL ref say that was uncatchable because we've seen shit happen in the NFL where somebody somehow and then comes down and lands it. So the NFL has never said, I feel like in the same thing there, you don't think Matthew Stafford was trying to you don't think the talent of not you don't think the legend that is Matthew Stafford was trying to complete that what if he does complete that exactly you defensive that was not That was never it was going directly to the ground Sorry, I agree

directly to the ground. Puka catches everything. Yeah, he was disorienting. Green's, uh, uh. Bernard. Yeah, I didn't want to say Greenard there. That would have been so disrespectful. I apologize. He's trying to DDT him.

Yeah. He was like discombobulating. Maybe he's trying to punch him in the back of the head. There's a little, you know, there's a, he's not a dirty player. But you get, he's a little discombobulating. There's a button back there. I believe.

So he's a, he's a boxer, whooping down at the ground. That's a lethal shot. Puka, there you are. Yeah, and he he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a boxer whooping down on the ground. That's a lethal shot. Puka, there you are. Yeah. And he's boom. He's trying to catch a Puka. He's trying. Unbelievable.

It's brilliant. It was, it was brilliant, man. Source says have told us that, uh, there has been a player that has acknowledged the blame for that player go, or that play going wrong. Okay. Who is it? It is. to blame for that player going, or that play going wrong. Okay. Who is it? Well, it is, the message was, please tell Big Goose to move on from this play.

Oh, okay. So I think we- Fair enough, so Stafford reset. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was Matthew Stafford. Yeah, yeah, no, no, absolutely not. Okay, so Eagles defense, great. Zach Bond, a lot of badgers doing their thing. Yeah. How about him making it up? Oh, he was jacked. Line a lot of badgers doing her thing. Yeah, how about him making a

Jack linebacker you linebacker you are you guys gonna get good at football again? Or what do you think? Uh, we're trying we're trying We're trying are you what west virginia or the colts? Uh, either i'm gonna let you know west virginia's will be a problem go for I hope so there I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it. That's a place I'd like to see a game. I feel like that's a proper party. Yeah. Well, that's the thing though. I don't know if you want to get, how old are you?

I am 35. Gee. Yeah, I'm 37. I don't think we're built to go do the Morgantown good time thing. I don't think we are either. We just did it. We are either. No, we did it.

We did a very casual one. Yeah. In April or March. Yeah, it was April. We did it. Yeah. But that wasn't like a good time thing. Yeah don't think we are either. We just did it. We are either. No, we did it. We did a very casual one. No, in April or March. Yeah, we did it. Yeah, but that wasn't like a game. Like the game is the entire everybody that is in the surrounding areas coming and it is awesome. I would assume that it has to be ranked top five football environment whenever the team's good for everything that's going on because the entire state's there everything shuts down in the state likes to have a good time so it's not like you know you got a parking lot over here that's kind of

casual you know cooking everything it's like now every parking lot is doing the same thing go and it's cheers beers Mountaineers brother and we are having a good time here I definitely answer that let's go back one more time to the play that happened with the Los Angeles Rams. Joining us now is the wide receiver that was in the vicinity of said genius play by Matthew Stafford. Pukka to go up. Yeah, Pukka. Pukka, Oos, Oos, Oos.

Go ahead, go ahead. Big Oos, I'm out here trying to get some treatment. I'm laying down and I'm just watching. I can't even hear, but I can only assume you're flaming me on that clip. No, no, we're talking about how genius Matthew Stafford was. If you want to walk through this play though, Matthew Stafford makes a great play. Why are you saying it's your fault? Yeah, he does.

I mean, if you see number seven, if you, if you go back to the start, I'm supposed to go to the backfield, I'm supposed to go, I'm supposed to go to the backside to block and I just knock every single one of our linemen off their block right here. So then Matthew, Matthew's just got to toss that ball out to the side. And I'm like, my gosh, how do you even see me? Look at that one guy, two guys, three guys all knocked off their block right there by Pukka Nakura. Okay, all right, well, I appreciate you taking some accountability and

saying that's on me 1000%. But all the plays you made, brother, every once in a while there's going to be a little bit of a timing issue. If you weren't such a dog, you wouldn't be able to move three bodies like you do your abuser It's a good thing not a bad thing. Let's not do it next year those. Oh exactly That's why I'm like this guy Matthews got eyes in the back of his head He's like he's looking at all the guys running around. She's like, oh, there's a guy right in front of me Hey, booze you guys are on fire right now brother and you know, it feels good to be in LA right now

Okay, you got the heat in in some good ways over here in the Rams facility yeah absolutely so let's talk about that the kind of streak you've been on over there at the Rams whenever trade deadline was coming around there was almost like a thought of are the Rams going to be buyers or sellers here like are they gonna kind of forfeit on the year almost and look ahead. Then you guys stick with it, same team. Everybody gets healthy. You're incredibly hot. Why is that you think?

Is it health? What do you think it is with your team and your defense more specifically? Shoot, I think health 100%. I mean, you've seen all our young bulls going crazy on the Dean line. Now I just ask everybody just wreaking havoc. I think we got guys like Jerry Verst, Kobe Turner,

and you walk in the facility and they're just, I feel like they just like these walking they start barking Come in there you got so much energy juice I'm trying to run through everybody. Okay in the offense Matthew Stafford just Matthew Stafford. I Know I ain't training today, man. I'm talking are you on the bike as we speak. Are you on the bike? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we get the core activated there too. I like that. What are we doing today? How are you guys handling this week?

I'm curious because you had to fly back from Arizona Monday night and then you got to fly out. I assume you're flying out Saturday or you guys are two day early team. Ooh, I wish we were two days early. I mean, I get a nice fully cheesesteak before we had to stay in the hotel. Yeah, true.

Awesome. No, we're flying out on Saturday. Shoot, we got a day off yesterday. get a nice fully cheesesteak before we had to stay in the hotel. Now we're flying on Saturday. Shoot, we got it. We had a day off yesterday. Getting a move around today. See how Matthew Stafford's feeling. See if we can sling it around. We'll lift some weights today. Getting there hit a trap. Trap bar deadlift. What's he throwing up? Mr. What? What's your language? I'd like a little trap bar deadlift. However many weights fit on it? That's how many I put on there I don't I don't think we have enough 45 Air Donald was in that building you got enough they spent them all with him when he left

We appreciate you man Thank you. You guys have a good one. Hey, hey appreciate youos. Hey, hey, appreciate you. Let's not fuck up any more plays. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, Puka the Cool. Yeah, Puka! That's awesome. Man, they're just cooking me on this. Yeah, I was wrong. Okay, get over it. Let's move past this.

Oos was the message he said. And then he had no idea. We're complimenting you, Bugg. That's good vibes there. That's two times now he's called in the show and they're like, are you working out? Yo! I'm talking to Big Oos! I can't do that. That vibe, man. Great dude, man. Seems like a great dude. That's two times now he's called in the show and they're like, are you working out? Yo That's vibe man great dude, man seems like a great dude

He said they come into the building barking like the energy I guess sean mcveigh. I assume is that way So then the teams kind of take on the identity of their how about sean mcveigh? Can we talk about that when he got out at 32? Is that all? I think 31. Yeah, it might have been and just immediately in the fire, how you doing? Let's go ahead and run with it. And he's just had success this entire time. What are your thoughts on him and why do you think he's successful? He's brilliant. I think he has both characteristics that are required to be a great coach in this league. He has the personality and the charisma to be able to handle all the

different things that come with an NFL locker room. Motivating, leading, handling distractions, handling egos, all that. But then he has the second part which is the brilliance. He has the coaching brilliance. He just sees the game in a different way. He creates these plays, he creates these schemes, he gets guys open. It's very tough to play against Sean McVay. It's very frustrating because he is thinking two steps ahead at all time. So you have to try and keep up with that.

And he's just really, really good at what he does. And his guys love playing for him. And when you have that level of brilliance, it just makes everybody in the room immediately respect you. And it makes that motivation part even easier. Because you can step in front of an entire NFL team full of grown men and say I've got the plan that's gonna win us a game just trust me and that's what they do you can be a genius you be able to play call plays but if you don't win team will get sick of your shit yeah and they've won yeah that is

kind of seeing it done in Miami right then we love McDaniel he's a genius he's doing things his own way this the next the next guy. You don't win though They immediately say corny hate this guy get him out of here if you win. Not only does the team buy in but the entire Community the fan base buys in I think Sean McVeigh is special man I think he's right and he can go make $30 million a year in on TV That was why I asked that question is that recovery part is a legitimate thing that I've been thinking about for this game coming up because you know and obviously everybody here knows that played, but I don't think the outside world truly knows that you got a late Monday night game and then you they

have to travel back home because they didn't get the real home game. So they travel back home and then you got to recover on Tuesday and now on Saturday they have to fly out to Philly. So like that's a short week for a playoff preparation for A getting your body back, B for game planning and everything that comes along with it. I really don't think that's something that the public truly understands how big of a difference that makes. Yeah I on your to add your point to it's playoffs so everybody's banged up so like every game is just beating up more and Faster more physical these games because it could be your last game. So you're just kind of limping through these playoffs most guys

Yeah, that's the thing with McVeigh's team Most people wouldn't think that like they're a physical team like on both sides of the ball Like they run the hell out of the ball Poca like what he does in a blocking game and like the screen game? He almost takes bumps like running backs do throughout the week and then on the defensive side of the ball What Chris Schueler is doing that defense those boys up front like off the edges like every time you see you saw Sam down the pocket That shit was condensed. That shit was getting squeezed doing a bunch of different games in between So they're physical uh ball club on both

sides of the football yeah i concur okay and we're wrapping up here on this hour and we're getting a chance to chat with jage uh first ballot hall of famer when that time comes how many years you've been fake teasing going back to play i guess is how i'll i'll call that this is my second year retired all right so we got three more all right so we'll wait i'm not saying it for three more years though i'm about sick of saying that no Future first ballot Hall of Famer. Don't think can we just, you know. You just say first ballot. Can't we just put them in like coach Saban. They just they put them in college football. Can't we just do that? They did it with the coaches. Are you going to be the commissioner or what? What's that? Is he going to be the commissioner or what?

I saw you saying he should be the commissioner, save it, of college football. No. I've been trying to push that all year, he's just not about it. He's just not working. Yeah, he tried to pawn it off on me, I think because he and I have had Friday dinners where we chit chat about business and stuff and I think he doesn't think I'm a complete doofus but I told him publicly you push that off of me it's like you might as well just say we're gonna give this to a team. You're gonna get some car dealerships. You're gonna get some car dealerships. No no no that is not my world but it certainly is and it is a good business. It is a good

business for old coach Saban. That brain is a motivating one, it is a hard-working one, it is a brilliant one, but boy it is a money-making machine too. That guy is a legend. Okay we only have like a minute before a hard out but we have to ask you Because you're a first bout Hall of Famer and so important go ahead con man Yeah, JJ, how do you feel about the coaching openings? They're still available. Obviously Cowboys is kind of turned into a shit show variables up in New England I think about all the situations going on one minute One minute got it. I think variable made perfect sense up in New England

I mean, I think there's no no brainer there. Tough physical, patriot way, all that stuff. I think he fits great there. Cowboys, I have zero idea what in the world that is. Blocking interviews from McCarthy last week and then letting him go this week, getting yourselves where you can't interview Ben Johnson. Those got like this zero idea what's happening down there. And he said it's a solo mission by Jerry That's the latest report. I think Jane Slater said Jerry Jones is taking this on himself Great. Listen, if it's a good hire, it's on me if it's a bad hire

It's on me. You guys don't have to deal with what I'm doing and I'm very proud of what we did in oil and gas Most proud about getting to do this with my sons and you don't want to be sitting there I'm sorry laying there in the future wishing you could see a couple more sons come up take advantage of this time now you too you're not sprite-checking over there thanks Jerry walked on out all right James we appreciate the hell out of you man thanks guys appreciate y'all have a great day and see you next time all right we thank you, Judge. No countdown clock.

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Yeah. Some people I saw are saying after watching it does the G stand for goofball? Yeah, the goofball league. Yeah. Okay. Those people have Canadian accents and used to paint ships Okay, that is what some people are saying from that particular demographic I think did you get a chance to watch and what are your thoughts on TGL? I think in theory Should be amazing. I agree. I don't know if it's as Mmm the exit holding I don't know if it holds people enough and I'm only saying that strictly because My wife has to watch a lot of sports, you know, and I say have to because she's not a fan of all sports

Sure, but I enjoy sports. I enjoy competition. I enjoy watching people do their thing. I enjoy watching people sing. I like watching people prepare and then execute. I like watching how humans go ahead and do that. This one, like, I think she was really pumped early to watch it. You know, tigers out there. Yep. Simulator. We got noise. We got sand. We got an arena. We got the entire thing. You know, HOMA even absolutely awesome, obviously better. Should have maybe been on week one, but that's neither here nor there. We're not scheduling the entire thing. But I think after about four minutes, five minutes of it, she was completely out. She was just like, I don't even know what the hell's

going on here. And I said, you just got to wait. And then there was a couple moments, you know, because I can watch great people at their thing do their thing. So like tiger stepping up. So I'm gonna watch that Yeah, I'm gonna watch it. I'd watch if it was a clip on my phone, you know that I scroll through Yeah, I don't know if I want to watch the entirety I think they're still trying to figure it out. But I think in theory and concept it is good How do you feel about TG? I agree. I've watched it both weeks so far last week. I didn't appreciate that. It was on 10 Eastern I was just like, you know, what are we doing? We're trying to launch this thing Why the hell is it on so late? Obviously, there's college basketball and all that kind of stuff on ESPN

So I did appreciate that it was on at 7 yesterday with Tiger and everything. I think it's more palatable You're gonna get more people to watch but I agree. It's like it just the They the whole like allure of it is like hey, we're having all these guys mic'd up, you know, like just, the whole allure of it is like, hey, we're having all these guys mic'd up. That's the big thing is like, hey, you're gonna hear these golfers and you're gonna get to see these guys like you never, but we've seen this in different forms with the match

and all this other stuff. These guys don't talk, they just don't. They're just not used to talking a bunch of shit to each other, that's just not who they are. That's not who golfers are. So they are mic'd up, but we're not getting that kind of content. Like there are a couple, I think they're nice boys. I agree. I think the golfers are a nice boy. That is nine year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler, massive golf fan, actual Butler birdies is an account. You can

follow along with he and his family as they are gonna dominate golf inevitably. I think I watch it just cause it's golf. And I think I'm watching last night cause Tiger Woods is golfing even more so. But like the show, what they do on the show, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Yeah. I think the entertainment portion. Just like live, just like live.

The presentation was just in theory, this is all good idea presentation. It's like, come on. Because you're right. of the clips like there was there was a part last night where Justin Rose had like A ten foot putt to win a hole and they took a timeout to ice him awesome Yeah and he came back and sank the putt and looked right at him and pointed and it was like stuff like that like was Sweet and like the crowd was booing him and making noise and stuff like that like that stuff is awesome But there is,

it should be an hour or 30 minutes. It's just, it's too long. There's too much. And I think that's the whole thing too is like, hey, it's quick. There's the shot clock and everything, but it's just, it feels so drawn out. And then again, we haven't had a close competitive one yet.

Yeah. That was found on Reddit right there. Yeah. Serena's husband who owns a part of LA golf clubs Correct team in there TGL. I think they have it somewhere in there. Like I think they have it I think it's a beautiful concept. I think it's a great idea I think they got the right people in there You still like the the tech in the in the sentiment as far as the sim and how it looks like a drive

Especially like the drives. I think it's all in there Uh-huh. I don't know if we need to be zooming in on a golf simulator ball flying, you know, with an empty fake tech crowd behind the green when you have an entire arena. Like, I don't because you go to golf, this golf sim never worked. That's maybe the most impressive thing. Without doubt.

Is that they've been able to operate with the sim working the entire time. But like, this is a six shot, I think. I think this is awesome. I think this is a sick shot I think. I think this is awesome. I think this is the selling point right here. Tiger Woods with tech, whenever they go full screen on the, like this, I think it's tough for me to like really pay tech.

I like the beach. Whenever they have like a crowd, fake thing in the back, I'm like, all right, I'm in a video game now. Tiger Woods is like, I think every, I think they got it. Like I think they have a chance to make this thing awesome And I'm hoping they're doing it. I hope they do. Yes me too I think the show around it can definitely be better than so early on but as you know golfers and me just getting into golf The last couple years the more you see the golfers personality like talking shit, you know, whatever this on on the green

You know talking to the shot throwing the hammer the hammer gimmick Which I don't I don't know where they got that from the hammer Get the hammer the timeouts like you mentioned I said, so I like the different elements like you said, it's in there somewhere It's only the second, you know second episode and lay a close game What would be great? They lose 12 to 12 to 1 I got three points at one point cuz they said it because they were trying to lay it and then I look at score It didn't change so then I thought they had a delayed score I can't have that can't have a Mickey Mouse score operation happen, and then I never saw the point change

And I'm like okay, so he didn't get points. I thought they just got three points. It's cool. It's in there So I saw that so that was a that was the 12-year NFL vet also golf aficionado Built like a Buddha swings like John Daly, ladies and gentlemen, AQ Shipley. Well that was the hammer and then they threw the hammer back, so it goes from 2 points to 3. Double hammer. Double hammer goes from 2 points to 3 points, but then they tied the hole.

Because they tied the hole, no points exchanged. There's so much. It stinks. It's absolutely stinks. There's the guy that said the thing that I said. It does, I mean, we don't got to beat around the bush here. We all know it stinks right now. Can it get better?

Yes, it probably will. But right now, it's not very good. But we'll watch it. We will watch it. I watched the last thing. As a golf guy, I don't mind watching it. I enjoy watching it. But the golfers are too boring to carry the conversation.

And then you leave Matt Barry on an island by himself the whole time. Matt Barry needs a partner in this thing to kind of carry the conversation and then you leave Matt Berry on an island by himself the whole time Matt Berry needs a partner in this thing to kind of carry the conversation. And Marty's there! Yeah Marty's there. And it should be Marty I don't know why we don't have more Marty but yeah Matt Berry needs some help. I think we need more Marty. Golfers are too boring. They need an instigator. They need someone. They need a regular human on all these things. That's what I mean. Shooter McGavin. Someone who will actually get under these guys skin a little bit. Maybe shooter McGavin, but they need a regular human on every team and that person has to at least participate, has to be a part of it. Now can you earn your way into it potentially? But and you can

get a ringer maybe, you can get a ringer maybe. Maybe that'll happen, but I think there should be, no, I think you should have to have a handicap. I think you should have to be 10. I think handicaps should have to be 10 and I think that should be a part of this entire thing. Now we're playing the game. They need someone with a mic on the green. And when someone has a huge putt for birdie or whatever it is for the win, that person should be interviewing the players

and even the person doing the putt. They need a little more interactivity. Kelly James music. They need Kelly James music. Get him out there. He already knows every one of these golfers. Exactly. Are you also thinking like a psych out like baseball? No, so what I'm thinking, maybe, and they can put that on the backboard too. Imagine lining up looking at that thing and then all of a

sudden she pops up in your for whoa. Yeah. RPG coming at you or something. Yeah exactly. Yeah, could be any of those things. What are we? Yeah, that would be awesome. And people are going to think we're making a mockery of it now. And we're not. Spitballing? The thought of a regular human being on one of each team. Smart. Be amazing. Just thought of it. Just real dying there. Because you said instigator, we would assume that person would be a standard golfer

whenever you go out and golf. Oh, yeah. Or that person scared to death. Exactly. But then we all get to see it. It's just like the field goal kicking thing on Saturdays. You know, these people all want to do it. They're signing up, they're getting the ticket, they get called for it. And then we're watching these people in real time

have to battle. And every once in a while there's a Henry Silver down in Georgia who steps up to the plate and buries a kick. And then there's more often than not somebody that you see their entire body shrivel up It's like oh fuck I can't do this Imagine that on tgl tiger wood standing like this on the other side of the t-box whatever it matters to

Think about what tiger would do to a regular human if it was 10 10. How what's a regular score for this fucking thing? 12 nothing No, yeah, but what? What could be what could be the score? Like 10-10, 5-5, whatever it is? I want to say 7's the magic number. 7-7. 7-7.

So let's say it's 7-7, 18th, and this regular-ass motherfucker's going for the tiger is just sitting right over his shoulder. That's a moment all of a sudden. And then what if you hit one pure there? Just like D-Bud did at the LA Chargers facility, which was at a lot of a lot of your representing all of us hit the ball very very well on the brass program Joining us now only roll. Mm-hmm. It encompasses a lot of things. Don't embarrass program Joining us now as a man has never done that never never would no couldn't actually Had a great haircut yesterday. I

Don't know if it still looks as sharp but we're excited to see college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner from THE Ohio State University. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawke. AJ, you heard the brainstorm there about TGL. You heard that. What are you, what are your thoughts on all of what we said?

And then do you have any additives to maybe make this thing as awesome as we think it can be? Because, much like Bruce Brown and I were talking about earlier. It was on so I watched it And if we're gonna watch it, let's make it great. And I think they can I think it's a brilliant concept AJ Yeah, I think there's something there. I don't have all the solutions I don't ever claim to to be that guy, but I think there is something there. You're right. They're on to something I feel like maybe even I mean, you want to make a mockery the whole situation I joked about the whole spin around on a bat thing and then make them hit while they're all dizzy

Maybe like random stuff like that every once in a while, but that's my b2 Mickey Mouse or people will hate But what about just getting different groups of people to play each other? It doesn't have to be golfers What if you had you know, like football players four buddies on one team play four buddies on another team like rivals? football players, four buddies on one team play four buddies on another team, like rivals. What if you had NFL coaches that play that we maybe hate each other secretly or rumored behind the scenes, they play each other because we'd see some of those guys, you know, like all of us can do, Oh, here we go. I just sliced one to just don some,

some poor old lady in the head in the front row. Like they're going to have to protect themselves as well. Maybe put some nets up. And we saw kids there blade one that could have blade one that crowd I don't know if they're ready for that it hits the tiger loved it that's a huge deal that hit that cuz there's humans back there oh yeah yeah I don't think they got a net up like it's baseball because they never expect that to happen so it hitting off the flag is a huge smoke I think it was very very see that's what everybody

should do though cuz Kisner had like 14 beers right before he went out there So like if they have one guy on each team have to do that then all of a sudden we got a game I expect potential marketing off that I don't know how the Hulkster hasn't seen yet You know get a real American beer hole his backyard to got a chug 20 of them brother. Yeah, can't hit yet God keep going you got chug as much as the Hulkster chugs American beer Then you can go so I think they're gonna figure it out didn't even think about the non-professional golfers in the TGO arena over there But Marty should be there. Sorry, sorry before you go on Marty should be there as an instigator or just a guy Just lobbing questions at them as they're transitioning from shot to shot whatever they're doing

Like I think they need something like that. Yeah, what are you thinking about here? Tug, you know, what do you got going through your mind right now? Well, I'm trying to think if it's a right to look He powered one through early a putt. Yeah, I don't know what he thought he saw. Did he make that place? He created that green. He did. I don't know what he I was a terrible read. I don't know. Why didn't it go left? Yeah, and then it went like six feet past. I was like Tied the hole I guess. Yep. That's good. Yep. Good good I guess because if I'm golfing there obviously every human on earth is gonna make that that you're gonna have to make that six foot putt Oh, yeah, that Tiger Woods just powered through the entirety of it all. I think they're gonna figure it out Let's go to hammer. Dad dad AJ. I don't know if you know this Pittsburgh Steelers are in complete disarray. Everybody hates everybody

Let's go to tone digs tone Have you gotten any updates on any things we chat about in the first hour about your beloved Pittsburgh Steelers are in complete disarray. Everybody hates everybody. Let's go to Tone Diggs. Tone, have you gotten any updates on any things we chatted about in the first hour about your beloved Pittsburgh Steelers? No, unfortunately there's been no updates yet as far as the mass changes that are expected to happen. We are still status quo. So no news to break at this moment.

Okay, I would like a little bit of an update if you could have it. Because we're from the town with the great football team. Go on and get them Steelers. You like that song? I mean just banger after banger huh? See that one stinks but the here we go Steelers is a great one. The polka does not stink. The polka does but the other one is first class. Well they're hoping that they can sing that and actually When Super Bowl here we go. That's again. That's what they're saying. Here we go again dealers here we go again

Pitsburg's gonna try to win a super bowl. Here we go again dealers here we go again dealers here we go that's kind of the song yeah is it hey let's go to hammer dot dot do we figure out the new song for the pittsburgh steelers is that how you guys feel no i don't think that's how it should go i don't think anyone in pittsburgh would enjoy that kind of how you guys feel though here we go again steelers here we go that's kind of how everybody feels, right? Again. I mean, I sure, but we're not changing the song.

Well, it sounds like you guys aren't hearing the old song anymore. What you're hearing is, here we go again, Steelers, here we go. It's actually kind of catchy. What was the beat made for that? For the beginning. Are the Packers or the Chargers or the Bucks, any of those teams changing their songs this offseason? Oh

Let's not start pointing fingers Okay, just the Colts haven't won the AFC South in 10 years. We don't need to start talking about everybody else's lawn Okay, let's just talk about your front yard pal, which is obviously gonna be kept very clean And I think Taumann does have the answers I think Steelers are gonna figure it out got a lot of question marks But that's a good thing you can can have a nice refresh and a reset maybe even though you keep the same person as the head coach. AQ Shipley was calling for him earlier. Did you hear that AQ? Did you hear what AQ was saying earlier? Yeah a little bit but I want to ask AQ quickly if someone said you had a good working relationship

would that is that a good is that a positive AQ or is that a negative you think? A good working relationship is positive. I think so too. But is that a negative you think a good working relationship is positive? Thanks, that's it. But does that mean you have a very poor personal relationship if it's a coach is that matter? Does it matter? I think it yeah, you're right A perfect I guess you could say they have a good Professional working relationship, but there's got to be mutual respect for it to be decent to be a good partnership And I think if you do have a, and I asked does it matter?

And as you were chatting there, and you talked about mutual respect, I was like, I think it does matter. I think you do have to like each other. If you like each other, you're going to be much better. Now I don't know where this is coming from. Mark Oboli put this out, said, substantiated rumors and allegedly this source

from the building says this about Russ and Artie Smith. And we know Artie and we think we know Russell. We could see how potentially there would be a differing of how people operate in their day-to-day operations but maybe this was a little bit bigger story anybody was given credit to maybe next year they'll be full harmony maybe the Pittsburgh Steelers gun to the Super Bowl there they go joining us now is a man who might be coaching. Maybe. The Steelers? Maybe. Him and Russell from CID.

Ladies and gentlemen, the man who has put ESPN daily television on his back for the better part of what? The last three years? Yeah. Always on your television. Crazy. Nonstop. I'm on TV a lot.

Too much. I'm about the only, that's why I wear a cam flush if people couldn't see. Sure. You know, I kind of TV a lot. Too much. I'm about the only one. That's why we're Cam Flush and people couldn't see. You know, kind of hide out here. This guy was on TV all day every day for the better part of the last three football seasons. And we appreciate him for that. Because he just started out as an ex-Highlight Reel Breakdown guy. Now he's this.

Dan Urlovski. Breaking down filming right there. Breaking down filming right there. He was doing an email. He was doing an email. He's doing his business while we're introducing them. Thank you for joining us and taking time away from whatever was just happened on that laptop, brother. Type it up an email, huh? Give an idea. I am. I am. Yeah. Stuff for today's show. I was responding to

something that for a graphic that I kind of wanted to have built. Oh, we thought it was potentially to an NFL team. Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Dan. Oh, there was, I believe it was the Acme Packers account kind of repurposed something you may have said that said, Hey, listen, I would, I would love to be the Packers quarterback coach because Tom Clements is stepping down. He's retiring. Is there any truth to that? Are you going to be coaching Jordan love next year? And how'd that come about?

I think it came about because someone sent something on social media about that or something in regards to I believe Clemens retiring. Is there any truth to it? Like I have had conversations with places I feel like this happens almost every year. I'm very flattered by it about, you know, stuff in the coaching world. I've had those again this year. It's something that you know I I say this all the time. This is just me being very honest about everything like I love being at ESPN I love doing TV. I do I really do you guys I'm sure experience this as well like there is a you know when you grow up in the locker room and you grow up in that environment where you do it together and it's always a part of a team, which was something I craved as much as anything, you know, when you don't have

that, you miss being a part of that group. And so, um, you know, there's always a desire, there still is a desire to kind of continue to be, have that be a part of like my, the fabric of my life type of thing and every day. And so there is the desire and the craving to have that be a part of the fabric of my life type of thing and every day. There is the desire and the craving to have that and also coach. I have so many friends that coach. I just saw Josh McCown on Monday night leaving the stadium to the airport and I saw him and

it was just a quick embrace and how are you doing? He's like, dude, I love it. I saw TJ Yates, who's a buddy of mine, who took my job in Houston when we were with Atlanta a couple of weeks ago. And, you know, he's the quarterback coach down there and said, how do you, how do you like it? He said, dude, I love it. So I have a lot of friends who are in that world that are really smart football people

and they love it, you know, and if it's the right place, right time, right people, it seems to be a really, really fun experience. Okay. Okay. Well, we're incredibly proud of you for coming to that point and decision and obviously I think you were trying to shy away from that before because you didn't want to potentially deter any TV opportunities. I think in the past yeah that it felt that way now it's like you're getting to the point where you're like you know every year

I'm getting asked and every year I'm doing more research and it does sound like something that's special and you talked about the locker room environment and being a part of something is special That's normally what people say whenever they retire what they miss the most is also Yeah, not only being part of something but having a goal having a mission having a perp I don't say a purpose because everybody has a purpose, but whenever you're on a football team, it's like hey This is the objective we are trying to win this weekend. We are trying to win this season We're trying to win this day that structure to people miss and

You think you'd be able to get right back into that whole world. I think so. Yeah, I do I'm pretty structured now I'm wired that way. I kind of have a routine based person I think there's two things part of it to like I go back to the moment when Kevin O'Connell after that Vikings win over Green Bay a couple weeks ago, and he was just in the locker room watching the team embrace Sam McDonald. Imagine that feeling, you know, like as a coach, taking that player and bringing him to a place. That's got to be such like a fulfilling experience. And also, you know, I remember having a conversation with JJ Reddick this past week, this past off season when he was in conversations with coaching

and whatnot. And one of the things that stood out to me that he said was he has a son and he wants, he really wants his son to kind of experience growing up in that environment as well. I got three. So yeah, there's a, there's a lot of appeal to it. There is, I do think, you know, I have a ton of respect for those coaches and the grind

that they go through and, you know, they obviously have done it for a long time, but I think anything in life, as long as you're passionate about it and you try to outwork every human being that is on the planet at it, you'll be better than them. Yeah, I think that is a key to success. And some people forget the work ethic part of things.

They think they just fall to the top of the mountain. That is not the case. And if you're willing to put those hours, I mean, Akeush was a coach for a little bit. He wasn't a quarterback coach. He was a assistant offensive a little bit. He wasn't a quarterback coach. He was a assistant offensive line coach Yeah, I mean the obviously the hours you got three kids So you understand that and you've had to watch film and four kids sorry three boys beautiful baby girl. Who's tough as nails

She's absolutely problem. Yeah. Yeah, she's awesome. She's She's much cooler than her day that is dull that is like an easy thing But coaching that is not that is a very task time Tasking job which I think is why like AJ and I are like we're not Supposed to be coaches because there's a lot of desk watching right in that kind of how it goes Well, that's just the the from the beginning of time. That's what they did I mean in back in the day the reason it's called cut-ups is they literally had a cut-up film and it took that much time I mean, back in the day, the reason it's called cut-ups is they literally had a cut-up film,

and it took that much time. Technology has made things a lot easier. So you can get the same work done without the same amount of hours, but we're still living in the old world of, have to be there. Yeah, and not only do you just have to be there, you have to fix things whenever technology

kind of takes a dump all over itself. That's right. So this is Super Bowl champion. Look at that, look at that. Post Q. This is a Super Bowl champion. 12 year NFL vet. I fixed this shit out of that copy machine. Let me tell you.

Yeah, you did. That copy machine had no chance against you. No chance. That mask had no chance against my nose either as it was down over my neck. Or face. Yeah, but to be clear, I think whenever AQ was done with that, he was incredibly pumped that he helped the team. Which is...

Selfless. Something that you get to experience whenever you join a team or you become a coach about. whenever AQ was done with that, he was incredibly pumped that he helped the team, which is something that you get to experience whenever you join a team or you become a coach about. You like contribute to something bigger than yourself and you actually get to reap the benefits from it all. I'm excited to kind of watch. Go ahead, AJ. Dana, we're seeing, it seems like more teams this year after the season, they're talking about like accountability and finding players for being late.

It sounds like star players on multiple teams might be, you know, showing up late or not doing what they're supposed to do at times. Is this something like when you talk to coaches around the league, is this a league wide problem? Is this something that you feel like is easy to correct for teams that may have this issue or do you have to clean house and figure things out? I don't think it's an easy correct. I mean, I think that one of the things that has constantly been a part of the

NFL and one of the reasons why there was such an admiration for what Bill Belichick and the Patriots did was, you know, they most of the people that are players on your team make more money than most of your coaches. And there's a handful, if not more guys on your team, they make more money than the head coach. And so, you know, a lot of times, I'm sure we've all experienced that we're head coaches, something guys like I make double the amount of money, triple the amount of money you make. So there's nothing for us to talk about here.

I haven't had really experienced with coaches referencing that that has been an issue and whatnot in our conversations. And I mean, we had Harbaugh, so Harbaugh's the most, you know, kind of positive person I've ever been around. I do think it's an issue. I do think it stems back to kind of where the era that we're in now with youth sports and entitlement. There's a ton of entitlement in youth sports, and I think that goes all the way up to high school, and there's a ton of entitlement in high school sports. And then it obviously goes into the college world and the NIL has been very positive.

There it's also created some, you know, butterfly effect that hasn't maybe had a positive impact. And entitlement is certainly a part of that. And so I think that there's just an era of athlete going into the NFL that's a little bit different than the ones of the past. It doesn't make it, I guess, bad. I don't want to, but it's different, you know,

and it's another thing that those coaches kind of have to handle. You would have to handle. Yeah, you get the right people though. Right people. Oh, you're saying just into your quarterback room, we're going to figure out who doesn't have this issue before having to

deal with the issue that's what you're saying yeah I mean I certainly think that when at any level you're trying to get people into your building or what not high school college you got to make sure especially nowadays that those people are wired the right way made of the right stuff think about it the right way like that's that's one thing I think that's why general managers are becoming so popular in college football as well too. It's like you got to handle a lot more. And that's one way to deflect it as the coach is I don't want to deal with that. You hire it. You hire some to deal with it.

No turds. They're going to sneak through that. They're going to be like those Houdini dumps that are down there in the bottom. You can't even see them. And then every once in a while they're gonna fester and you're gonna need Boom Doveman whole body Dio because even after a little bit of boom Dingle bell dude wipes you're gonna make sure that stinky ass doesn't smell you know and that's that's those who do not a problem I got so many dude wipes still at my house. It's great Yeah, it's cuz you farted on air all the time. Yep. That became like a trend I don't know if that's gonna be your quarterback room. Hey guys, welcome to Today I don't know if that's gonna be like your gimmick dude, we were in we were in Baltimore for week 18

We did that the Browns Ravens game and we went down on the field So me Fowler and we went down on the field so me Fowler and Lewis went down on the field Right before kickoff essentially just a wander state hottest and people and as I'm walking Just off the sideline to go back up to the booth some dude yells from the stands Yeah, was it a fart? Yes, or no? That's awesome. I looked at him I hit him with like a shrug and the whole group was like Yeah, I got jacked up shout to the boys over there in Baltimore. Obviously, that's in the clip watch You just fart right live on air. There's actually a sign outside that's still outside the gate

Oh, yeah, and it was still there. Yeah, it's actually on the Google images Now I think if you were to look it is actually a part of the building So a lot of people are wondering about your of the building so a lot of people are wondering about your flat flatulence there it is once you hold them in keep them in there you know and good luck with whatever you do I'm excited to watch how you handle all of those things let's talk about the future of the NFL obviously a rookie superstar potentially the t-bunch has a question for you yeah you're talking about coaching in the quarterback rooms number one pick this year Caleb Williams

obviously we see what Cliff was able to do it Jayden still playing Sean Payton was able to do a bow Knicks I believe I saw a tweet. I don't know if it was AI or not Just tweet saying I can make Caleb or I would make Caleb a superstar I just want to know if you were to get to that room with him How would you coach him, you know to see that growth and see him take the next step on this level? Yeah, I think that a lot of people could do that because he's super talented. I think the number one thing you have to get him to do is play in structure and realize the benefit of that. It's not just, hey, you got to learn how to play in structure and play on time

and play into the rhythm of the offense and have that be a focus point, you got to get them to understand the why behind that. Why is playing in structure such a big deal? And also making sure that you don't try to take away the special talent that he has. I think that's the biggest challenge is the last thing you want to do is steal his magic. And last thing you want to do is take away the reason why you drafted him number one, because he has uncoachable traits. But the uncoachable traits don't matter, nor do they ever get to show up unless you are consistently as a

quarterback within timing within rhythm, because there's four or five plays a game as a coach where the defense wins the rep. You know, the defense has the perfect play call and they play it perfectly all 11 guys on defense. That's what makes Lamar Lamar and Patrick Patrick and Josh Josh is you can play it perfectly and it won't matter. They could defy the laws of physics. They could break the rules of your defense and Caleb has that talent, but it doesn't get to show itself unless you are willing to do what's needed in that play. I think that the number one starting point

the bud is okay, what player we calling and you got to get them to completely understand what play you're calling. What's the opportunity in that play? If we get this defense, how do we hurt it? And what's the problem of that play? If we get this defense or this pressure? What's our answer? We have to be have an answer for everything. Okay, the second thing is, what's the defense? You know, what does the defense mean to me? I think we lose sight of that so consistently. These teams, they call plays and then

the defense you're going to the line of scrimmage and you don't know what you're getting. And so you the defense is asking you a question like what are you going to do with this this front or this pressure or this coverage? You do got to have the answer to that. And that's what is playing in structure. And that's what's playing on rhythm. That's what allow guys to play fast. And then you always you know, I remember Gary Kubiak, constantly having us as quarterbacks, we would study the

game plan, every single play would have to know. And we would have to know exactly what was the number one defense that was a problem for every play. If you got to line of scrimmage, you got this defense, or what would be the defense? That's the problem at the line of scrimmage, you got this defense or what would be the defense that's the problem at the line of scrimmage. We got cover four and they match everything on the inside. Well then what's the answer? Where does the ball go?

And so I think that that's the starting point for Caleb and his development. I also think this though, for a guy, he's interesting in this regard, D-Bud, he makes some throws that are unbelievable. Yeah. Like the accuracy is remarkable. And then there's throws where you go, why'd you miss that one by five feet? And so I do think there's just the constant improvement of, and mechanically he's not flawed, he's pretty darn good mechanically, the constant improvement of the visual element of things, I think improves his accuracy in those moments.

Okay, so Caleb Williams, potentially a superstar, gonna have to learn a lot. I think the one game we were watching, I don't know who was calling it, basically was breaking down. It was you, actually. It was a clip that you posted on X. I think the way the defense showed it was an obvious he's supposed to throw left situation, very easy to read. It was cover two. we're doing this on this particular play, we're going left. Instead, he sees it and he throws to the right, which was not the right play within that particular play, which I think is what you just kinda tried to lay out. I don't think a lot of us understood that until I saw the clip where it was like,

hey, the quarterback's job, if they see this even within this play, is like, hey, we're going right here right now. This is the answer to the test right now. And then whenever you miss it, if it's not pointed out live in real time, I think a lot of us just think, that was a stupid play. That was, you know, like that's kind of like... That's kind of like for me, Pat, I don't like when people say, well, quarterback, you can't predetermine your throw.

Why? I mean, why do we get into certain formations as an offense and why do we motion people in certain ways? Well, we're trying to create information. We're trying to get. So if I know you're in a certain coverage and I know that this is the concept that we have called and it's the perfect concept versus that coverage, why would I not? Now I don't think you assume things.

You got to confirm that the defense is what you're expecting, but it very much so like that's how you get to play fast. That's why these teams get into certain formations and motions And so I do think that's a part of it is just really really getting those young players and Caleb specifically to Understand all of that the why behind it and then letting it loose man Yeah, you got to cover up the body ass stink, you know, I cover up the the bad football You got to cover up the bad football. You gotta cover up the bad player. You gotta put Dio.

Your name's Dio while he's giving us answer. And you cover up bad shit. I mean, you should have a deal with them. Like I know we got you a dude wipes deal, you're welcome. You know? You did, thank you. And potentially your ESPN deal, you're welcome. But the-

Yeah, I'll take that as well. You sent my daughter to Taylor Swift, so thank you for that as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This one, it feels like a natural fit. As you were doing this the I'll take that as well yeah my daughter to Taylor Swift so thank you for that as well yeah yeah yeah yeah this one it feels like a natural fit as you were doing this I'm like oh Dana is coming in to kind of cover up people stink and then I like little I'm staring at I'm like Dana his whole body Dio Dio he's bad football Dio mm-hmm is this all in addition to these answers he's been given it sounds like he's trying to tell people like hey I know football yeah a little man little bit. Oh, man.

You know what he is? Yeah. You know what he... Stay away from... You have a playbook, Dan? Chicago might have your guy right there looking for a head coach. Yeah, that's happened before, right, where an owner has watched somebody on TV say something and be like, yeah, why don't my people say this?

Oh, yeah. Hey, you're out. Hey, excuse me. Would you like to come in? That's happened very much through the history of sports media in the NFL. Dana's just saying, hey, just here's my thoughts, here's my philosophy. Now AJ, you asked a question there that I think is a big one. What did you say?

I said, do you have a playbook that you would take into an interview, Dan, if you were someone said, hey, you want to be our OC or quarterback coach? Yeah, I would morph the playbook of the Kyle Shanahan, Gary Kubiak, Mike Shanahan stuff. So a little bit of what Kyle does now. I think a little bit of what Kevin O'Connell does now. And then I would also morph a little bit of the Joe Brady, Liam Cohen stuff that they do, which is a little new age, four by one, outnumbering people, the use of two back,

but kind of two half back, maybe not just a full back. I love the versatility of Buffalo's offense, Baltimore's offense. So I think it's kind of a combination of the stuff that's been in the league for a long time, but some of the new age four by one RPO quarterback design run. Okay. So I didn't know we were just going to do a coaches interview here, but what's your day one message to the group? No, no, no, no. What's your mantra? If you could please tell me, yeah, what is the, what are three key words, what's the mantra, what's the room going to be known for whenever you look back?

No, no, no, no, no. I'm not there yet. I'm not there yet. Sound like, I mean. Well, let's get there. Yeah. Why not? Why aren't we there?

Well, that's a question I have. Bad preparation. Why aren't you there yet? How come you haven't decided to do the coaching thing over the past couple years? Were you scared of it? Did you think you weren't going to be good? Why is now the time that you're thinking about getting it, you miss it? Have you even tried it? Do you even coach your kids' team? Are you allowed to coach your kids' team in the county in which you live?

I've always got a big basketball game tonight. Undefeated versus undefeated. Holy shit. Holy. All three of them are guards and then you just got two other guys playing not dedicated Uh, two of them two of them play my third one doesn't play because he's he has autism So like he's just not sports draw everything coolest kid in the world Um, I got one who's a 3nd guy and then one who thinks he's Jason Williams, but he's more like white chocolate like Boston Connor. Well you have no idea brother. I got the elbow bass in my back. I mean Boston Connor and white chocolate are certainly playing

two different styles of basketball. Connor is a stroker though yeah. Oh yeah. So when AQ just said Connor can... 3 and D. He can splash it. Yeah. I got a 3 and D. guess what the names of the two kids that we got to shut down tonight are Westport, Connecticut We got bow Chad's bow and gunner. Oh, yes. You guys are screwed. Bowie gunner about to go bananas. Yeah Do not let gunner get hot early. Yeah, you know Gunner is Gunner is this wiry? Flowy long-haired athlete that shows up in strobes, dude. Okay. Yeah. So how about... He's got some McWhite guy in him.

McWhite guy up there at Yukon. Yeah. Same exact kind of style and vibe for their men's men. How old are these boys that are playing? These boys are in the 12th, 13th world, seventh graders. And we're watching film already on the other team. Okay. Yeah. How do you know so much about the opponent? Win everything, one thing at a time. AJ. Everybody knows about Connor up there.

Yeah. Bo? Bo and Connor? You kidding me? Everybody. When our last team got coffee this morning, the guy giving it to them said, hey, good luck with Bo. Yeah, you're right.

I forgot about that. He went down the street. Yeah. Okay. So your coach, what's the speech? Are we giving a speech? I'd like to hear how we'd maybe rally a bunch of 12 year olds or maybe a, an NFL team that you're currently interviewing for. You gotta stop. I'm not, I'm not going to, I'm not going to be big. I won't be big pregame with them. Hey, let's go play our game. Go play our game.

Bone Gunner. They don't think it's another game, but yeah, they think it's not 20 seconds in I'll probably dog cuss one of my kids for not Playing hard enough, but nice. How sweet is your time out you do big timeouts? How are we? I'm the assistant coach. My boy Chuck is the head coach. I'm the assistant He knows a lot more about I don't know anything about basketball bowing gunner taking on Chuck and Dan Connecticut matchup that they've been dreaming of out here. Chuck couldn't sleep last night. We're playing against Bo, Gunnar, Hendrix, and Ari. Oh shit, Hendrix and Ari, that's a tag team there at the back half of the roster.

Hendrix is a problem. You don't like Ari? What's that all about? Ari's a booper, but Hendrix plays his freaking rear end off, dude. Okay, Dan Watson, you okay AJ? You okay AJ? I have a son named Hendrix plays his freaking rear end off. Okay, Dan, what's up? You okay, AJ? You okay, AJ? I have a son named Hendrix. It made me chuckle. Yeah, okay.

I have a 12-year-old named Hendrix. Yeah, Hendrix, great name. Is he pointed? Is he pointed? Is he pointed? Hendrix Hawks? Is Axel rolling up there? What the hell?

Could you imagine? Hold on now. I didn't know that 12-year-olds are doing this much scouting of rosters and film and everything in these tournaments. Think about when Axel Hawks is coming to town as an 11 year old. The other team, the coach. Is this the puker? Yeah.

He's the puker. Is he a meathead? Yeah, he is. But I mean, my nine year old right before that, after the Rose parade actually clogged up a toilet that had 20 people waiting for it because he put paper towels in it. This is veteran. He turned nine on the trip and he came walking out with a shirt tucked in in my my 11 year old said he just started dying laughing because he knew he took a dump in there and then all of a sudden

the lady walked in a hotel AJ no no in a Mexican restaurant at the Rose Parade so there's like 25 people waiting for the one bathroom yeah he put paper towels in because they were out of toilet paper. What's the name? You know it's crazy. Kid Hendricks that were playing tonight, his little brother did the same thing in their house this week. It bursted the pipes. Their home is flooded and they're living. Good luck to all parties. Good luck to all parties. Yeah, he does. He's got their signs. Yeah, he seems like he's in their huddle. Yeah. Yeah. Up there in New England. Well, Connecticut is not a New England. What's that?

We do not claim them. They do not count. Just yesterday, they said they were in. They're just as much as the tri-state area. Okay, Westchester all those they basically are part of Connecticut. They can have them in New York. They're not new Oh, so that's where the estate is. That's where New England is split to New York in New England No, it's like it's like road. It's basically everywhere around Connecticut enough Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont What a New Hampshire major claim Connecticut. What's that? Vermont what up New Hampshire makes you claim Connecticut. What's that? Not mixed. Yeah What I mean you is half the state at least half the state from the middle of state north

They're all Red Sox fans Patriots fans Celtics and Bruins and then half the state South is on New York That's for negotiating. So half of you half of Connecticut is doing no. No, we don't do hats We do all or not and that's why Connecticut's fucking out live for your dad brother bingo you think New Hampshire is gonna take some Connecticut shit give me a break okay let's get back to some football shots in the revolution people man shots in the revolution region by the way we appreciate what you did up there you're welcome welcome for your country would that same area now do that We're gonna talk about now, okay Let's move forward back into football conversation. Shall we the Revolution Regions is so much history you you got married up there Yes, I did that church was I I was part of his old church in America George George Washington used to

Be there. Yeah, Rhode Island proud member of New England. It's like a trip to Europe real quick Yeah, you know back in time just like whenever you go out to like Wine country out there complete opposite, but it is like you're in Europe. It's just a very different spot. Let's get back to football Let's go to Philadelphia. Okay America's first capital Hell yeah USA USA How'd you get one of those in like a mo shirt on

Hey Q has a question for you about Philly Yeah, Dan You did a breakdown the other day of Philly's offense and you were defending Jalen hurts and receivers not being open and this that and The other right so as you watch that film, who do you see as the fault of that? Do you blame Kellen Moore? Do you blame the receivers? Do you blame Jalen? Why are guys not getting open? Yeah, I don't blame the receivers at all. I think it's probably a combination of Kellen Moore and Jalen Hertz.

I would say this, there's a lot of evidence that their past game doesn't go over the middle of the field. So I would say that there's probably an amount of information that they have as a coaching staff that says they don't they don't execute plays pass game wise over the middle field very well. So it's probably a little bit of trying to make sure that Jaylen's in a situation where he's executing the plays that he's most comfortable with on a consistent

basis and it feels like a lot of those are on the perimeter and then as as telling more he's trying to figure out how many different ways are is there a different way to get the ball in a layered concept or crosses over the middle of the field and so i think that's probably a little bit of both of them i think as a play caller you got to constantly kellen's gonna have to constantly try to find some areas. Because if I was Rams, defensively, I'm sitting there going, he'll let you throw the ball outside this week. Yeah, I'm going to make and I think that's what Hathley did with Green Bay was it felt like Hathley was like, all right, you're not throwing the ball on the perimeter. I'm gonna force you to throw the ball over the middle field. And I'm going to cover it up in the ways that because Jalen specifically on the

inside stuff, I think a cute Jalen plays pretty decently in timing on the outside stuff, the stop routes, the outroutes, the big comebacks to go balls. But on the inside stuff, it's not like a it's not bang bang piston like and I think the Rams are going to be very aware of that and say, all right, we're not going to allow you to do that. So I think it's a combination of, you know, Jalen's got to trust it a little bit more when he sees it over the middle field. And then Kellen's got to figure out ways that he can, you know, live in the RPO world, live in the one on one world on the outside, try to create some play action

chunk shots. And then is there a concept or two that he has supreme confidence in Jalen operating kind of really efficiently over the middle of the field. So I really don't believe it's a receivers can't win type of thing. I think it's a little bit of them figuring out, you know, in playoff defense is what's best for them. We're playing catch over here because we're getting so jacked up about football. When he talked about those throws that Jalen Hurts has to make, you're talking about the ones that got to have a little feather, you know, a little bit of feather on that. You know, put it right, you got gotta have a little feather. You gotta get over a layer and in front of somebody else That's not easy. That's that's an elite throwers

Quality, so you're kind of saying maybe he's not as confident. He can make those throws He has shown that he's made those throws, but it's not every single time and maybe he's gunshot on Having to potentially do that, right? Yeah, I think too is you know, go back to the Super Bowl year. Too is good. I go back to the 22 season I don't have a lot of memory of Jalen looking uncomfortable in the pocket almost unwilling to step up into those seams. He did or he hung there and delivered the ball I think last year you know that started to show itself a little bit. It has a little bit this year. And so just getting him comfortable to not only like hanging in that packet pocket, but seeing in that pocket as well, I do believe is something that they're constantly trying to work through. And so yeah, it is that, you know, if you guys remember

the Lamar, the third and 13 touchdown to Bateman this weekend. Like it was just, it's just enough air to get over and underneath defenders fully extended arm, but firm enough that it doesn't sail over that next level. Yeah. This throw, I mean, if this is like, see that ball's probably, you know, 10, 12 feet off the ground. So it's just over that second level defender, but also right in kind of that that chest bread basket area for Bateman Is that double barreled that a camera there?

He's pointed you you you you you should see how good of a throw that was by Lamar I think is what he was doing to the camera after the celebration which looked awesome But yeah, that's the elite arm talent that Lamar has well, I think he's just point you you you But yeah, that's the elite arm talent that Lamar has. Whoa! I think he was just pointing. You, you, you. That looked like a ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. No, he said, you, you, you, you, you.

Need to see what Lamar just did from my angle. That's what he said. He said, wait till you get the Skycam, the All 22 on this thing. You're going to be really impressed. But to your point, that touch and everything like the pinpoint accuracy and then the, what would that be called whenever you're assuming he'll be at a position? You know, the... Throw it to a spot. Throw it to a spot, but confidence, the anticipation, there it is. The anticipation

on speed on where that's all just like a natural feel. I think it has come like it's just natural for the Mar as opposed to thinking about it all, which is potentially happening with some of the younger guys. CJ is great at it as well. You know, CJ is sensational throwing some of those big ins to Nico. That's where those reps of timing and what's the landmark for the route. D-butt knows that so well. That's why defenders try to get hands on guys cuz hey, I wanna throw this football-

Disrupt the rock. Four yards. Yeah, I wanna throw this ball off X hitch, four yards inside the hash at 18 yards. And I gotta trust that you're gonna get there. So as a quarterback, I'm putting this sucker loose and you know Carson Palmer was the greatest ever at it. One of the... Okay, Peyton Manning played football so Carson Palmer's certainly good. Okay but what you were just underrated.

Hey, Carson and Ocho were so good at it. Okay I agree. I agree. I agree 1,000% but we're having a Marvin Harrison, Peyton Manning conversation now all of a sudden. You know, and there is also Reg in that entire time. Dallas Clark at the tight end position. The amount of reps they took was because this thing is leaving my hand. You're going to be nowhere near looking at the ball. And the DB is actually going to think, there's no way the ball is in the air right now. And as soon as that turn, boom, it's just right in the spot. He was like the anticip... But the amount of reps they had to take to get there.

I mean, it was just like, we're repping this out. We're repping this out. We're repping this out. We're repping this out. So many. Like getting a chance to watch like an off season workout through that entire lockout year, it's like, holy shit. I didn't know it was like it is like We're gonna be on the same page for sure

No matter what then they'll have to see the defense the exact same way as well And it's like that's why there was such a like a machine almost I mean D budge over tomorrow ready bingo burrow tomorrow Go ahead pal D budge was tied my Brady and like the shoulders He was thrown to yeah in practice one time a guy like because he would throw it like if you're let's say you're running across The route from his left to right and he hit you on if he would hit you on that back shoulder It was intentional to basically take you away from the defender. So you catch it and go back that way So if you were to catch it and go this way, hey, I put it there for a reason. Like Wes Walker, like, you know, you say hospital balls. That's why Tom speaks so much about quarterbacks

putting their receivers in danger. Like, look, it's not only defenders to protect them, it's only quarterbacks to do it. And like, now there are only so many quarterbacks that are that accurate when live bullets are flying, and he had to be that way, Payton had to be that way, Drew had to be that way. When like guys like Jalen, Josh Allen, Lamar

are that way and throwing the ball with that type of accuracy, they're almost unstoppable because they're seeing defenses that they have to cater to their legs too. So you gotta be more simple sometimes. You're gonna have more one-on-one matchups on the outside. So it's so different. But when those guys can beat you from the pocket,

like Lamar, what he's doing this year, those guys are damn unbeatable. And that's why they always bring that up whenever it's like contract negotiations Everybody's like can you do this? Can you do this? Can you do that was brought up a lot with Lamar? Mm-hmm Lamar is obviously clearly answering those questions. Let's talk about the quarterbacks now We just talked about Lamar whenever he was potentially available to everybody in the NFL. Yep. Mm-hmm Potentially Swinging a miss on that one guys.

Harbaugh's had 200%. They would have matched whatever the offer was. So you would have given up a lot. You would have had to out deal the Baltimore Ravens who are willing to give whatever if you listen to Harbaugh. Okay, if you listen to Harbaugh saying let's assume they're all on the same page. But nobody even like reached out allegedly. Nobody even let's talk about the quarterback market.

Now we would assume if Lamar Jackson was a free agent he would get paid a hundred million dollars a year with how he's playing and how exciting he is. But ConMate has a question for you. Yeah, Dan, how do you feel about the QBs available? Obviously, Darnold, Rogers possibly, Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco is in there too. There's a lot of QB questions for a lot of teams. How do you feel about the guys available in free agency? And then is the draft class where teams are going to look to? Because right now the narrative is the QBs in the draft aren't the greatest QB draft class of all time. Yeah, I think Sam Darnold is clearly the best option when it comes to the realistic free agents.

I know the last two weeks, I think what we've learned from Sam Darnold, you win a lot of games with Sam Darnold. As long as he's got that structure that That scheme that's really good to play action centric offensive line skill people on the outside You'll win a lot of games with them. I do think it's fair to say over the last two weeks We've learned you're not gonna win games because of him and the offensive line didn't play well They got covered up. So, you know that that is a reality, you know So if you're a team that hey, we we got to get her just a really good player at that position I want to get Baker Mayfield or Gino Smith. That's kind of like the lateral correlation

I think Sam's gonna be that guy for somebody I actually thought Rogers like listen if Rogers wants to come back and play I still believe Aaron's playing winning football I thought his last eight weeks when he got a little bit healthier. That was very obvious And so do I think that, you know, it's gotta be in a situation that's ideally because of the age and his health, no question about it. You know, Russell Wilson, I think the last three years we've figured out kind of where Russell is in his career.

You know, he's gonna hold the football on a long time. If you can create some one-on-ones, he's got a chance to be a really good player throwing the ball downfield. I do believe he's not what he was five years ago. That's not some earth shattering statement fields. The field thing is interesting to me and also frustrating to me at the same time because, you know, Pittsburgh and I heard you guys talking about it and obviously

it's been a conversation all week. Like this is one of the reasons why so many of us and me very much so was so convicted about keeping Justin on the field because now you still don't know you still don't know anything in for 2025 that position is a giant question mark and it's like well bring back Justin Fields but what do we really believe about Justin Fields where if you just had him play this year I still think you would have been a relatively similar team. And at least you would have had the body of work of, no, this guy can't do it. And we're going to not have him a part of our future.

Like we are, we are convinced that this guy's got a really bright future and he's going to be our at least starting point quarterback wise. And so the draft, I would tell you this, they're all very interesting. Shador doesn't have number one pick traits, but he's going to be in the conversation because physically he's not wildly impressive. He's not big, he's not crazy athletic, he's not a physical phenom. Dan Ward is a physical phenom. You're going to have to get him to play a little bit more in structure, a little bit

like Caleb was coming out. I think Quinn Ures is interesting because of what he you know accomplished in his career Milro is interesting you know just because he is a physically impressive human being so I don't think it's a class now I'm sick of it Will Howard is getting zero respect and he can't even go back right he's got no years last year he's definitely going to the NFL. Mm-hmm The big son of a bitch can move to know nothing about his game Are you watching? Oh, you just watch the play. He's got Jeremiah Smith. He's got a book. He's got Tate. He's got Judkins

He's got Henderson. I Tied and has the greatest name of all time named Pretty good. I mean, he's got, and the tight end has the greatest name of all time named G Scott. Oh, Kaz Merritt, you saying? Oh yeah, and G Scott Jr. So he's got a lot of weapons. That's not his fault.

He was no slouch. That's not his fault. He was no slouch at Kansas State though. That's why Ohio State was like, hey, you can play here. And he's got bop too. Seeing him skip around. I mean, he is, as we wrap up here on ESPN. He'll be back on NFL live in just a matter of a few moments. We'll continue on ESPN plus Disney plus YouTube

and TikTok live for the final few days. Have a good one. We'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye. TikTok's done, Dan-o. Dan. Have you heard about that, Dan? You got TikTok, Dan? I have heard about it. Yeah. Dan, you've definitely done, Dan-o. Dan. Have you heard about that, Dan? You got Ticktock, Dan? I have heard about it, yeah. Dan, you've definitely done this a couple times. Some coastal elitist could go buy that.

Yes. Thank God. Some coastal elitist could go do that. Dan, why don't you, why don't you go find the money to buy Ticktock? Dr. Bumper. All right, it'll be my first call. Okay, well, too many people are doing that these days. So we're never going to get to that point, I believe, but it is an honor to do that.

The thought of that, I don't, it's still, we still got days, you know. It ain't going. Deadlines. Feels like it's already too ingrained. It's already too deep. I wonder if the government people know, I want to deep. I wonder if the government people know like hey Everybody's owner well don't the government people and their kids they're not allowed to have it on their phone Wasn't that put in place a couple years ago? Yeah I wonder if they have conversations with like yeah, cuz it's being tracked by China. Everything's tracking you everything's tracking Every literally everything but I wonder if they ever have conversations with real people and understand like hey He booked a honeymoon on TikTok. People are using it as a search engine.

It's a big deal. Sports are on, our shows, sports are on TikTok and do very well on TikTok. It's a lot of things for an entire generation. It's like, if you want to be the biggest heel on earth, okay, and I don't know if that's the game, and just piss off an entire fucking generation I think this would be an easy way to let that happen. I think yeah, but the biggest the big who do they blame bones it?

Yeah, hopefully we're blind, huh? Well, that's what they're worried about is in two years You're gonna be booking your honeymoon to the Shang Chi province Go look at the gray water. The forbidden city. Oh, you want to go see Jing Jing. See, that's the only reason I want to keep the stuff like tick tock because Jing Jing might not be available to the, to the public without you. This is how, what do you, please pull up Jing Jing. Please. Can doze off. How do I spell? X-I-N-G, X-I-N-G. The way Connor pitched it to me.

What am I pulling up here? This isn't meat spin, bro. Don't worry. We've got a couple others who can send you. Yeah, if you would like. Rest in peace. And I'm pulling up a visual or? Yeah, oh yeah.

Just an Instagram. It's maybe the cutest thing I've ever seen. There's Jing Jing. It's a chimpanzee or something ever seen there's a jig It's a Some chimpanzee or some whoa, I don't think that is that is one fat monkey She ain't just some chip and she's not a fat monkey. It's how she was built. Now. She is a That's what I said. She's got thyroid issue. She's built like that. She's got bigger bones heavier bones, but is it what what? she's built this. This is Jing Jing, and Connor pitched me Jing Jing yesterday

saying, you know what you need? I know you don't do all the internet stuff. I know you don't buy into all the stuff. You need to get on board with Jing Jing. Yeah. And I said, excuse me? I'm a hard pass on that. You're a fool.

Dan is out. I think I'm out too. What did you do with this? You just follow along. You watch this monkey just You're a fool. Dan is out. I think I'm out too. What do you do with this? You just follow along. You watch this monkey just act like a human. Bring up Jing Jing. Bring up Jing Jing. Peel the banana with your mouth. Please. We're going to watch any video. She peels this banana so cool. You got to get a life. Dude, this is my life, brother. Jing Jing? The way you saw it to me is Jing Jing to get a life. Zing Zing is like Ed Ed in uh, mandarin. Big, big. Don't worry about it. Just check it out and do it. Do it. And I looked at

this monkey. I said, it's a damn, damn cute monkey. It's a great monkey. But I don't know. Uh, the TikTok thing is a real conversation because it's potentially happening on Sunday. Obviously with everything in the government, I don't follow along as much. And I guess there is a lot of people that go like, well, who cares? And it's like, well, that might be the way it ends up working out. Galger cares. And if that takes you know who else cares? Talk. That's because we're gonna have to shoot them in the head if we don't save. We won't do that.

We won't do that. We might. Ladies and gentlemen it is being reported that Mr. Beast has put an offer in to buy um TikTok. I know Mr. Beast is an absolute phenomenon. This man started as a teenager understanding YouTube and the algorithm and then literally created a business through that that has made him basically a billionaire. I mean and everything he is is genius. This MrBeast, I think it's going to cost a lot of money. I don't think it's just being a billionaire is going to be. 60? Is that the number? So allegedly Mr. Beast and a group of billionaires, hopefully they're able to go get enough money

to from one of these companies that has shit done to them. To be able to go, 40 billion was X for Twitter. How would they make money? Like how does the thing make, like why? Everybody on EarthSana, it's a platform you sell at, you do the whole, just standard operation, maybe subscription service like Elon chose to do with Twitter. I assume there's some merch, I think Twitter How do you like why like everybody on earth's on it's a platform you sell that you do the whole just standard operation Maybe subscription service like Elon chose to do with Twitter. I assume there's some merch

I think Twitter X was trying to people you pay to use tick-tock No, but nobody paid to use Twitter either and then basically kind of became a point where you're gonna pay three bucks a month Except for some people have held out this entire time and anytime I see that I really think to myself Well, you really say I ain't fucking doing it. Cause basically everybody else there, you could potentially do that. I don't know if everybody on TikTok would do that. A majority of people on X chose to do that and said, yeah, this thing's worth three bucks a month.

I assume TikTok people could do the exact same. No, I think it would take a long time. We pay you to use Twitter now? What's that? You pay a monthly fee to use Twitter now? So it was like a premium option, yeah, where you can post videos. It's Dan.

So do you, Dan, they got you. This part of the problem. Yeah, you got the check mark, Dan. Didn't you guys, somebody, was it you who made a big deal about it, Dan? What, having to pay for it? Nobody was complaining about it, I remember. Everybody was complaining.

I'm not paying for a blue check. A lot of people were saying, I just got it. I didn't pay. I didn't pay, I don't know how I got it though. Yeah. Okay! I had a blue check. Well, I just got it. I didn't pay I didn't pay on and I got it though Yeah, what okay? I had a blue check before it all happened and whenever they're like three bucks for this. It's like You got it sure I've you know all the information in one spot. Yeah I got everything for you. I fucking learn everything in my life basically off of this thing So I spend hours on here

So if it's gonna cost three bucks to keep this thing going so be a hours on here. So if it's going to cost three bucks, keep this thing going. So be in the corner almost is what I think. Three bucks a month. You got it. I know there was a lot of people that are pissed off about it. I could stand understand where they're coming from, but like I'm on there, you know? So like for these people that are on Tik TOK, I would assume that they'd be okay saving it by doing it in a fashion. 100%. I don't know where all those people are going to go if Tik TOK is banned. Like are they just going back China they all are going to

China to follow tiktok so they can still yeah use tiktok all the day you're this guy man they're gonna build house literally anything that is the whole conversation around tiktok I don't think you understand is it yes I don't think that's I don't think that's what you are understanding about this entire I say anything the gourd on this guy Okay, all right Dan we appreciate you good luck on NFL live one hour from now Two hours run at four o'clock third Mondays run at three, but thanks. That's right. We're calling every day four o'clock every day I'm sure except for on Mondays, obviously three o'clock How much fun are those four o'clock hours in the office when we're watching the NFL live crew?

We all gather around but do whenever he gives virtual reality. He did it yesterday. Yeah, I remember Yeah, you're plugged in. Yeah, that's so cool. What time do you guys get into the? To the office to your building soon. There's early work outers I think gum pies in here like 7 a.m. Working out 6 45 7. Yeah And then what time you guys there till? Depends on the day. There's a lot of shit more often than not. I don't know.

Probably 5 36. You know that type of stuff. There's a lot of stuff going on. You guys it's up to something season right now. So there's something big. Something big coming. I saw you were trying to jack up to something season. What's going on?

You you all. I'm not trying to. Is this the coaching thing? Is this the coaching thing? I you were trying to jack up to something season. What's going on you? You are not trying is this the coaching thing is this the coaching thing? Hmm. I am NOT trying to Jack anything. Nope I'm fucking he's getting ready to do NFL live. You're not I'm not saying I own up to something don't be a jaguar Yeah, I'm not yet. Stop being a jack. You're right. Gump. This guy's being a jaguar for a down What is up to something season you creating something we doing big business? We got an idea or is it the coaching thing? You creating something we doing big business. We got an idea. Where's it the coaching thing? You're doing those texts or tweets again Replaceable never know what yeah, but I've sent that a bunch this year. Hmm. I know that's what we're saying It's only 15 days a year. That's that's the whole entire thing

So tweet King saying it over and over Yeah this year technically I heard that D But these tweets get me juice when I'm on the elliptical in the morning. Yeah, this year, technically. I heard that, D-But. These tweets get me juiced when I'm on the elliptical in the morning. I see these from Dan. I'm fucking just keep going. They hit like renegade. Yo, if you're an elliptical guy,

I'm old, Dan, my knees, I ain't got much left, all right? Who's he? 39. Who's a soccer player too, a lot of running. You're young, dude. I worked at the shipyard for 15 years. I've seen some things. He's inhaled a lot of things too, you know,

a lot of inhaling stuff, but Gumpy's brain is working in a high clip and he's in there every single morning getting after it. And you know, when you put those tweets out, we all do go, is everything okay? And then he goes up to some season and he responds to that. It's like, Oh, Dan's cooking something. Well, little did we know that tweet was actually about his boys taking on Bow gunner tonight, that's right Chuck and David 30 tips. All right. Well, good luck in the championship tonight. I hope chuck has a good game plan It's all in him. Yep. It's all in him. Hope hendrix and In ari really go

Ape shit tonight. Yeah You didn't say anything about ari about these players. Ari's a shooter. Ari's like a long Hooper. He's a good player. I don't know a lot about his game because the other kids that I do know are lacrosse kids. I'm a little bit more ingrained into like the lacrosse world with these kids. I think Ari's the better basketball player, but Hendrix just freaking plays freaking

hard. So I know that's going to happen. Freaking dope. Same with Bo. Gunner just I know that's going to happen. Frickin' toke. Same with Bo. Yeah. And Gunner just, Gunner's a hooper. These are all the, these are all lax kids. What do I do now?

What do I do, Connor? I'm really good with the lax stick. Oh yeah. I mean, you were working on split dodges yesterday. Yeah, split dodges. And then also, hey, you ever seen one of these things? Huh? You ever seen one of these?

It cradles. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum seen one of these things you ever see ways how about that about it huh this is another day boy it's a national championship back-to-back don't you worry about it looking to go for three all right Dan oh how about the lacrosse guy for Golden State who was that Spencer him and his brother both in the NBA okay then we got Faison playing for Notre Dame in the NBA. Okay. And then we got a Faison playing for Notre Dame and the national championship. Water Saver. He's a member of the Notre Dame lacrosse team. Yep. Yeah. Python Python. Boston Connor, the kid from there's a kid from Cheshire,

Connecticut, which you probably know of the town. He's the he's going to Notre Dame to play both as well. He might be there now. Gosh, his name. Oh, yeah. He's the number one. He was the number one recruiter lacrosse. He's on the team right now. Yeah, you're right. name. Oh, yeah. He's the number one. He was the number one recruiter lacrosse He's on the team right now. Yeah, you're right. Yeah in the country. He was the number one crew in the country He's playing both football and lacrosse at Notre Dame. Yeah, forget it the lacrosse the Cavanaugh Jeffries who there it is Jeffries. I think his name is Matt Jeffries Matt knows the standard Notre Dame lacrosse is high. Same with the football team. I assume this guy is a weapon of a being.

That lacrosse video watching the Notre Dame win was cool. The Notre Dame lacrosse celebrating the Notre Dame football. They were just looking for any jersey too. It just so happened the only jersey they could find was cheaters. So it was like perfect. What a perfect moment. That lacrosse team was wagging up there.

Yeah. And they feel good about a three-peat. Oh, yeah Yeah, they actually do. Yeah, they still got a Cavanaugh boy. Uh-huh. They still got one He if I do recall he's the one that his first appearance on a program. Well, yeah two black eyes and a shiner on So yeah, a couple pops. Yeah before we saw him at the Notre Dame IU game And he was having we were hanging out with those lads Oh, yeah, I like that Notre Dame lacrosse team All right

Just like we like this guy good luck with whatever you're sub tweeting about and good luck With all the coaching interviews that you're gonna do privately after this public. You're the man. Appreciate you, buddy Thanks guys. Be good. We'd love to have you on our team, coaching. Hell, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, Dan O'Loughlin. Like this team, not like the Colts or the Patriots. I don't know, dude. He's pretty diligent. I think he would give maximum effort.

He does that seemingly everywhere he does, everything he does. Too much. Hey, we need a take on everything. He goes fucking full speed. Yeah. Authority. Some quarterbacks. Just full speed. Yeah authority some quarterbacks

Just full speed. Yeah, I Love whenever people go. I don't see how this guy's watching all the film Let's do some math here 60 minute games this many games and somehow he has a full take on everything by 8 a.m Okay, there ain't enough time in the day and then Dan had to come back I have to prioritize my film study, but I do want to watch every single play of every single game it's like of course Dan does I think that is how he is he really was lobbying there for a job AJ I think yeah oh yeah you know he's got a

plan as he has he interviewed for any jobs in the past I think I think he's I don't know you never know what's for leverage and you never know what's real. He's just waiting on the right opportunity I would imagine. Like that's... Yeah, like Rex Ryan is currently campaigning for the Jets job publicly, which I respect mightily, okay, out of Rex Ryan. If he wants the job, obviously saying I want it is a cool thing to do. I think that showcases a lot of revolt, but he's also potentially saying, hey, to ES ESPN if his the numbers up like there's an option I could do that all the time you know I grew and played the card perfectly every year every year oh they want me to come back and touch five million dollar increase to extension oh

they want me to come back and go boom new extension money was he like 10 years did he do Monday night football for 10 years it seemed like it was a while I think him and Tariqa right that's That's who it was. Mm-hmm. Him and McDonough towards the end, at the end. Oh. Oh yeah, cause Tariqa goes to NBC to do Olympic coverage and then inevitably Sunday night football. That's right. Mm-hmm.

He's great. Tariqa's good, really good. He can do everything. He's so smooth. You know, he's like so smooth he can call anything. But I think football calling, I like him. Yeah. He gets juiced too.

Yeah, I like his energy yeah I like what he does and he you can tell he's over prepared which I I appreciate cuz that showcases like work ethic and you know everything like now football it's wonderful that's Hawk. He has won a college football national championship and How about the most recent foxy flick of the Rose Bowl trip there waiting? That was a nice trip down memory lane there, thank you for piecing that together and documenting the most Insane run that any group of people has ever had before Seemingly the toxic it was here at Boss O'Connor and at Ty Schmidt.

You boys look fantastic. Rooster's Chicken right there on your forehead, huh? Oh yeah, I love Rooster's. Just the perfect hat, you know? Just no mumbo jumbo, okay? Just a name. How about Rooster's? Not making you dump all over yourself.

Yeah, very impressive because of how good it tastes. You'd expect some sort of dump. Fried chicken can eat it before having to do something. That's not normal. No. At all. Shout out to Rooster. They should market that. Yeah they should market that. I was scared to death you remember? I walked in there. Oh yeah you asked me. You asked me. You guys dump? I didn't know how everybody feels right now. Is everybody okay? Because obviously standing for this entire game four degrees. Hey J.C. you're great. Don't worry about it. And then Ty even said, Hey, listen,

yeah, good stuff. Had it all too. Whenever I heard Ty's stomach could handle it, I knew we're in a good spot. It was delicious. Delightful. Delightful. High quality chicken over there. Yeah. Great burgers too. Yeah, they had, and they just supplied it all, kept it heated and cold for us. Obviously over there in Columbus, they were incredibly hospitable. Shout out to Sean Perkins. Shout out to the Ohio State Buckeyes. What about that time and what the question marks were going into that game whenever we were sitting in that incredible lounge? To where we are now with that Ohio State team.

Vastly different, Derwagon National Championship on Monday, live from Atlanta, nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler is here. Darius J. Butler. Darius J. Butler. Us being on sideline for these games is so stupid. Sick.

Get a chance to kind of witness who these guys are I think is a big deal for us. Remember we saw it with I think Jackson Smith and jig But we saw with CJ Strout as soon as we saw him whenever we played against George Obviously, we saw the whole this Jeremiah Smith guy. It's different. He is a different person He's a different person on a football field than everybody else that's on the football field with him Yeah game wrecker, you know, they got to figure out a way to get him involved early, I think, in this game, Notre Dame. Notre Dame plays a lot of man-to-man coverage,

so I'm excited to see the different matchups that Jeremiah Smith will get on Monday. I'm sure he's itching to get that ball back in his hands after not having a huge performance last week. Yeah, the Ohio State Buckeyes played nowhere near good in their eyes, I would say, from what we had seen them do the past two weeks. They had mistakes that they don't normally make drop touchdowns by Tate.

That's not going to happen. You know, a majority of the time, Jeremiah Smith goes up for one drops it early, which would have had them on the one yard line. He's catching that at literally every other time. There was obviously a 15 yard penalty from Trevion Henderson showcase, a little bit of a, you know, a loss of composure. It's like, that's not what this Ohio State team has been. Are they able to get back to what they were?

I think so. I think that's why we all think like, they're going to be an absolute problem for Notre Dame. But Notre Dame, nobody projected this as well. Go back a few weeks. This is a special, special national championship on Monday. Team that won't be represented, but was close. Penn State alum, ladies and gentlemen, AQ Ship.

Thank you. Thank you. Hey, whoa. Hey. Can hey that's it great good good squad Duralor is gonna come back too all of them are coming back is that good? By the way yeah it's good the the announcements on Instagram I saw the long snapper did an um back thing today I quit I quit with the fucking announcement I quit. Long snapper to be the only one announcing it. What is this? What are you talking about? He's trying to tell his friends and family! I'm proud of him.

Thank God he's back. I'm pumped. He wants to let his family know. I'm bad. It's too much. It's too much. That was mean. He's gonna quit the team today. Yeah. How is his family supposed to know? Fine! I saw the name pop up on my shoes. I won't tell anybody. I said, Yeah, how is this man supposed to know fine?

I said who is Tyler jib jib juh and uh like look it up as longstaffer. I'm back I'm like I can't do it. It's family. That's cool. Can't do it You're back dude one more year spinning that thing. Good luck. There's only 32 jobs in an fell literally no more That is that is the only there are 32 of them and that's it. I don't think the UFL is paying for a long-staffer. I don't think so. Sorry, AQ hates you. Yeah, and keep working though. We're proud of you.

Joining us now is a man who's been working in the NFL world for a very long time, almost as long as we've made him wait here and we do apologize for that absolute legend from NFL Films, Vice President at NFL Films, Keith Cosgrove. Yay! We wasted a lot of your life. We apologize, Keith. That's 100% on us. Never waste our time, Pat.

It's good to be back. Okay, well, how's NFL Films doing? Oh, well. Hold on. There we go. There we go. That's on us. We should've probably,

we should've went quicker and said, right shoulder, right shoulder. Right, yeah, that's on us. We should probably we should have let one quicker and said right shoulder right shoulder, right? Yeah, that's on us We could be a good team like you guys are basically the third the 33rd team of the NFL Can we talk about how important the NFL films, you know is to the entire operation that is the NFL? I think obviously we've chatted about on our show before I don't think we've had an opportunity to chit chat with maybe a new group of people that have been watching But NFL films has basically been a tag team partner of the NFL since I don't know what year, the beginning of almost televised football, and now you guys have your hands in

everything the NFL is a part of in creation and distribution and you guys like score Sazy level shit for the NFL and I think you guys should get your flowers over there with everything you do for the league and for the sport that we all love. Thank you. We appreciate all the love we appreciate. You guys have been great to us and and and it's been an incredible time for us. We're busier right now today as we sit here than we have been and we've been here since 1962 when the Sables shot the NFL Championship game for the first time. So you know like we just did, we're in the final stages of this marathon for Team Hard

Knocks with the AFC North which has been an unbelievable challenge and a really cool show and you know in our free time, we're making a late night show with Jason Kelsey. It's been a wild month. Yeah, there's a lot going on in NFL films all the time because of how much, you know, there is to offer from the NFL, its players, its entities and everything like that.

Let's talk about the hard knocks in season with the AFC North. We were excited about it because it gave you an option to tell a story of a team, maybe depending upon how a season can go can kind of ruin a season almost. Now with four options we were thinking there was going to be some magic somewhere. You certainly found that early. Obviously the Steelers are on a run then the Ravens go on a crazy run. They meet

each other in the middle of this. How have you balanced who you showcase, how you showcase it, and is this the plan going forward in season for entire divisions to be a part of it? I would go back We first talked about doing this five years ago this show in this format after we finished all or nothing and The precursor to in-season hard knocks We we thought the best way to do it was with a full division and then hard knocks. We thought the best way to do it was with a full division and then we had an opportunity to do in-season hard knocks with a single team, the Colts, three years ago. You guys were early adopters of that format. We talked about it. Yeah, you were on top of it from day one. The Cardinals show, which you know was a really difficult one because their season was was a mess and then last year the Dolphins made the playoffs

But by that point we knew for sure that that wasn't in our opinion We just didn't think it was the right format to do an in-season show and the reason is when it goes south It's just a really difficult situation for everybody involved and we're not It's just a really difficult situation for everybody involved and we're not Nobody wants to watch a show about a team that's enduring that Situation when when when everything, you know players are getting hurt things are falling apart People might be losing their jobs. That's not That's not what that show hey, why don't you have a seat here and tell us about all the shit that stinks right now, please

And in doing that every single week and then you're talking about losing jobs, it's like, hey, tell us about the worst day of your professional career here that's happening in real time five minutes ago, before you talk to your family, obviously telling them. By the way, yeah, by the way, we're not necessarily invited guests, you know, we're, the league has a, you know, a resolution that the owners have voted on that allows NFL Films to select certain teams under certain conditions to do hard knocks. So at the end of all that, we just thought, if we're gonna do an in-season show, we should do a whole division.

You're guaranteed to get a winner. You're gonna get a hat and t-shirt game. You're gonna be able to feature rivalries, which is awesome. Like showing the Steelers playing the Ravens on hard knocks was an undeniably cool thing to be able to do. You caught it right away that like showing two teams preparing for each other in a big game, which we saw right out of the gate with Steelers Bengals, was really freaking cool and it's not something that you've ever seen before on television really in any sport and certainly not in real time.

And when a team goes bad the way unfortunately we saw the Steelers season end with five straight losses we didn't have to dwell on them and nor should we have because the Bengals had picked themselves up off the mat one five five straight, and the Ravens became, you know, a wagon. And we'll see how far they can take it. Isn't it amazing how many stories? That's just one division in the NFL. There's so much shit everywhere. Are you, how many years have you been with NFL films? 20, this is my 28th season. I got here in 1997. Think about how much the league has changed, man It's insane and obviously content has changed a lot

You guys have had to adapt all of that But whenever they talk about the ratings and like dominating everything it's crazy where the NFL is gone and there's so many stories It's so beautiful and Watching the Ravens here through playoffs is that we're gonna do we're with the Ravens through the playoffs We're with them as long as they're going How about Steelers all this shit that's going on right now? Are you still there? We're still there. The cameras are still up in Pittsburgh. We'll be taking them down. I think at the end of this week. I Thought maybe we're doing the whole yeah, which leads to the in AJ. I think you were probably gonna ask about this

Let's get off. How about the offseason Hard Knocks? Are we doing that again? That Giants one. Need it. Buddy, D-Buck, what's your vote? Yes, aye. AQ, your vote. Absolutely. Ty.

Yeah. Conman. No doubt. Age. Yes. 100% of people surveyed said that it should come down. All right, who's calling? Darius, which GMs are you calling?

AJ, you take the NFC. Braves, New England. No, can't do it first time. Everybody take one division. We gotta find a GM to do it. Now we're working on it. We're talking to a lot of teams. We'll see if it happens. We loved

that show. I think it's one of the best shows we've ever made in our history. And I think we are so grateful to the Giants for taking that risk. And obviously, it's been talked about to death. And, you know, it's no fun for them to have to see, you know, those images pop up on their Twitter feeds, I'm sure every day. And it's a bummer for us that that it turned out the way it did their season, you know, because who knows? You make you make decisions.

You go through a process with a bunch of smart people. You make the best decisions you can under the circumstances. And in their case, they didn't turn out the way they hoped and Yeah happens and I felt it happens. It was our first time seeing it though Keith That was our first time seeing it in you know, whenever whenever the moment where Mara the owner of the team boss It's gonna be hard for me to sleep at night if Saquon goes to Philadelphia Eagles and they go now here's I'm just letting you know

I've been here a long time. We've had a lot of players He's the most popular one by far By far and then he walks out Now Saquon's got a sleep number ad And then he walks out. Now Saquon's got a sleep number ad saying that he's sleeping soundly as a Philadelphia eagle. And Mara allegedly reached out and said, hey, at least let me be a part of the ad so we can maybe make this an entire thing. I think watching Joe Shane decide directly against that whole thing where there is a hard implication

coming from ownership. Yeah. Hey, this is how we want it to go. Now, granted, we are all people that we think ownership, if you're not good, get the hell out. And there might be some people that don't want Mara to have hands on there. But as we watch that situation and seen unfold the way it did with Saquon becoming the offensive player of the year for the rival Philadelphia Eagles for not that big of a contract like hundred and something in the Entire NFL or whatever it is. It's like I don't know how you get any team to sign up for that ever again. Nope I don't I honestly don't know how you get legitimately Are there gonna be teams like the in season hard knocks or the training camp hard knocks?

That'll kind of be I don't say forced to do it But kind of because that that's I don't know if you're getting any GMs to say yeah, I would like to say that whole thing We updated the the Hard Knocks resolution last year at the league meetings and that The the offseason show was not contemplated in that updated Resolution I know you like when we use the $3 words back Yeah, I love it. Anytime you talk about after the meetings to behind closed doors, conversations, and

there was politicking for this and for that. I understand how the game has to go. There's a lot of money on the line. So you're saying there is a chance we have this back or are we definitely having it back? There's definitely a chance. We hope it's back. We're talking to a bunch of teams about it, but we'll see what happens. I mean, we need a willing participant on that one. We're not going to force someone to do that show.

Okay. And if you've got your shit together, I think you should do it because you could sell yourself and your program and your brand as an actual... Coming off of what happened last time, can't be worse. Cannot be go worse I don't know let's let's go back a second though what did we see we saw the owner tell his general manager here's my opinion on what I would like to do but I hired you to do a job you make the decision and do the job with all the information that you and your staff compile. So we saw an NFL owner do the thing that all of us as fans ask our favorite owners to do. It didn't work out. We all know that now, but at the time it was

hard to argue with a decision where, you know, you don't really have an offensive line, the quarterback situation is unsettled. You have so many holes to fill. You really want to pay $13 million a year to a running back when you're, you've been doing that with that running back for five years already and not had a lot of success. Yeah. Like we can debate it. And I think, you know, obviously everybody has and everybody's got an opinion and it's hindsight is really easy in this scenario. I got you. Yeah.

Because that show, that show was about a process and I think it's really cool to have been able to make a show about, Hey, we're going to start in January and we're going to have an end point after the draft and you're going to see how a group of people faced with really difficult decisions goes about making those decisions. Yeah. And to be able to make that, the people who have talked the most about that show are like business executives. Because I don't know that there's ever been a show on television, an unscripted show that

showed a process that comprehensive from start to finish. Yeah. And like, we're proud that we did it. I think fans responded to it in real time before they knew what was going to happen. You guys, you know, everybody saw it and was it was a wow kind of a moment on TV and in our world in sports TV. And like I said, I think it's amazing that the Giants had the guts to do it. Agreed. I think they I think they should stand behind and they have stood behind the decisions they made. I'm glad they're running it back and giving

Joe Shane a chance to run another draft at another offseason because I think what we saw is a guy who has a good process and does have a shot of succeeding. It just, there's a lot of luck involved. You guys all know that, you're NFL guys. Yeah, a lot of luck, and some places

seemingly have more luck than others on a regular basis, but us getting a chance to see that for the first time you talked about the moment in real time reaction it felt like the first training camp hard knocks when it came out. That's how people reacted to the first training camp hard knocks because that was the first time we were getting to see anybody's process. There's obviously fantasy football and there's thoughts and there's documentaries on how things go but actually getting into the meeting being in the room where it happens Where decision is being made on what the strategy of the roster construction is gonna be because in your show He actually said we got to find out if this quarterbacks worth 40 million or not Like we have to find that out and I think that was an actual

Legitimate thought like from the entire hey, we got this guy. We paid this guy We have to find out if he's a guy or not, which was a part of the decision that they're making He's on the Vikings now. He's on them and instead of like so they forgot their answer So I assume that's why ownership was like we wanted to find out if he's a guy He's not a guy, which is why he potentially ran it back with him But if you're another GM with the reaction that it was to that because it was our first time seeing how that shit goes If you're a very confident in your shit And like you have success

I think you should feel very comfortable doing that because people are intrigued by this because we don't know much about it in the local Social media teams would never put any of this shit out because they wouldn't be allowed to yeah And to joshane's credit too tyrone tracy jr ended up being an unbelievable running back The guy he drafted in like the fifth round and Singletary is moving a little bit too Should make the Raiders out next year I know there's like hey first year thing but like Brady's involvement and everything like they said he can't make anybody do it That's what he said right? You know what you said? You can't make anybody do it

Make the Raiders do it go talk to good Dell and say hey guess what? You guys have stunk for the last 15 years you're gonna do this what's the worst thing that can happen oh you're gonna stink again they don't want a strong army that's not how the NFL operates right Keith that ain't it but well no if I may because you had people on your show saying you know I talked to the people at NFL Films and they were laughing at these guys. And we've got. Where are you? Who said that?

Are you? Who said that? No, nobody hears laughing at anything that happened in New York. We thought they were going through a process. Who threw NFL Films? They were laughing. I did hear that. Oh, everybody did. Who did it on our bus? They were laughing. I did hear that. On your show.

Who? Who did it on our show? Who did it on our show? Everybody did. That was the only time we got a little annoyed. Somebody went on your show and said, oh, the producers of NFL films are... Or Lovsky. Lombardi.

Had to be Lombardi. He's in college now. I think what we created though, I think the hardest thing for these types of shows, especially for Hard Knocks in real time, is meme culture, right? Like you have a moment, like two weeks ago, Sam Darnold in the locker room,

his teammates are all spraying water all over him and it's the, and Kevin O'Connell's in the corner watching like a proud papa and it and it was an incredible scene captured by the Vikings media guys and the NFL films cameras amazing moment right and then two weeks later it's over you see how it turns out and you know I'm sure a week or two from now we'll see it it'll be a meme now, right? Like we have a a culture and it's not anybody's fault. We all live in the same thing We all live we're all screwed through our feeds and and we see the way things become memes So nobody wants to become that next meme and unfortunately for the giants it happened to them

Yeah, certainly did and memes are happening at all times. So, you know, it's it's inevitable for all parties But if you're gonna look at decision-making processes that we've never seen before obviously gonna give me but I just saw what you're talking About that clip getting memed. What if there is a Lou Holtz sighting at the field pass for the national championship? And Lou Holtz hits a home run What if Lou Holtz hits a home run for four straight quarters all of a sudden that meme you got Lou Holtz up on there you know with the boys all I mean that is that'll certainly be used a lot on the internet I think to hype up things yeah is Lou Holtz gonna be there do you know if we once again there are whispers that he will be there but he's got a bum left leg right now so he needs to get

that figured out if his leg feels better he will be in Atlanta yeah we know if Lou Holtz can get there coach the whole ski get, he will be in Atlanta. Yeah, we know if Luholtz can get there, Coach Luholtz can get there, he will get there. Absolutely. How'd he hurt his leg? He's an old man. Deadlifting. It's cold outside. He was like, hooping or?

It is so cold outside. Leg press, I believe. He was leg pressing? Yeah. Nice. Walked down to Venice Beach down there, Muscle Beach. Exactly. Still working it.

Yep. Boom. I got one more bone to pick, though. First of all, Luholtz shouldn't. He can't do, I mean, I hope he can keep up with your pick though. Now. First of all little old shit Oh, he can't do I mean, I hope it can keep up with your play-by-play McAfee. That was the best play-by-play call of the year That was a I saw a lot of people on the internet saying that I was just holy more awful Announcings writing articles McAfee positive. I was talking that is crazy from them legitimately. It's pretty wild from their goat I've done a 180 Yeah, positive. Wow. That is crazy from them. Legitimately. It's pretty wild from them.

I've done a 180. Now on Hard Knocks though, and I want your guys to pay on this because we, I think we talked out of both sides of our mouths on this show. It's if the team, if Hard Knocks is boring, we have a boring training camp, Hard Knocks, nothing edgy. You know, we're not showing anything. Then it's these shows are totally dictated and controlled by the teams. It's all propaganda. It's you don't need to watch it. It's bullshit.

And then when we have a show like the Giants show where it's great, you're seeing incredible shit that you've never seen before. And we're actually making groundbreaking television, it's these teams are so stupid. I don't know. And so we have certain people in our sports media, who shall remain nameless, certain aggregators and people like that, who have constructed a media, a narrative where they can never be wrong. You either are an idiot for letting NFL films in your house, shoot this and put it on TV, or NFL films is just a propaganda

machine. And we all know that and none of what you're seeing is real. And the reality is, is that Hard Knocks is an awesome TV show. And that's why it's been on the air for 25 years. Amen. Like any TV show there are good seasons, there are great seasons and there are mid seasons and it's based on like one season you have Chad Johnson, one season you have Rex Ryan, this season we have Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh and you know defensive players of the year up and down the line and Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow and Lamar It's in cities and stories and rivalries and yeah Yeah

It's a TV show and it happens to show more things that you don't get to see anywhere else than any TV show in this business And it does it in real time two days after the games on even one day after the game Remember after Monday night there was a Bengals clip on a Tuesday night show, somehow from the Monday night. And I know how much all hands on deck panic there is day of getting those shows on air, too, because of how much, especially with four teams. You have four different groups, right, with each individual team.

And then those teams all have thousands and hundreds of hours of shit. And then they got to write it all down. And then it comes. And then, yeah, we appreciate the amount of work that goes on over there. And I appreciate the fact that you're keeping up with the haters. Yeah. Yeah.

You know what I mean? 28 seasons in. Love it. God, hang on. We don't, it's funny. We never talk about, we don't respond. We let, you know, people. NFL films, could you imagine if NFL films came in?

Please. Oh, I hate this shit. Take the high road. This is, I've never never Ross and I were talking earlier. I said I think I think I need to say something. I appreciate that you're doing it because we've obviously known you guys for years. Hilarious moments of our you know business relationship and personal relationship with all parties involved over there. Hilarious. Some of my favorites. The best. Maybe some of the

best moments I've had in the last five years are when McAfee is telling me things in no uncertain terms. No uncertain terms. I love the way that's being described. One of our greatest moments in the Thunderdome. I was not happy with NFL Films. Okay, I thought we had a good partnership going. Let's get on the horn here immediately. And just I felt comfortable enough with you guys because you're football people I think that's another thing It's a big deal like a lot of places not all places a lot of places hire a social media person or a digital team That isn't football. There aren't football people. They don't know football. They don't love football. They don't live football So I think they kind of get caught

Not knowing ball in certain situations, especially on the internet You are all diehard football people So when I chit chat with you, it does feel like I'm just talking to like some like one of the boys yeah, like hey this can't be happening and You guys have been so good to us legitimately and I appreciate the fact that you've remained humans over there You know because the NFL is this massive machine. You're in everything. You're in Netflix. You're on, you're on obviously HBO, MOX, sorry.

You got stuff on ESPN. You got stuff on Amazon. You got stuff, every streaming platform you guys are doing business with and crushing it. It's like, it's a lot of shit you guys do. And you're talented content creators. If you guys were considered modern age, you're great content creators, I think, personally.

Thank you. Good work ethic too. You're not a bunch of lazy punks. I think that's a big deal too. No, the people that are working here right now, and you can see it on their faces and in the bags under their eyes right now. Like I said, this is the hardest we've ever worked this month right now.

It is, it's not doing this show. And look, it's, it is a total privilege for us to, are you shitting me? We're, we're at NFL films and we're getting to do something we love. And, and we're filmmakers who love football. It's in the title, NFL films. And we get to document careers like AJ's and yours and Darius is and Darius is here. I saw Darius a few weeks ago in the studio that every week. Yep Chase case it's an amazing. It's really an amazing place You go downstairs today and and coach Belichick's down there with Ryan Clark and Chris Long and Chad doing shooting inside the NFL And right now Kelsey's down in the studio Rehearsing for Friday night's episode of they call it late night

But you know already today what we're figuring out is is you know in the middle of all that alright now We're gonna make a show about the Ravens this week. Can't wait to watch we appreciate the hell out of you, man You're the best. Thank you for taking time. I love you guys. Thanks for having us We love you too, man. Keep doing it over here. You know, keep doing it over here until Ross. He's a good guy He's the best We'll see you in New Orleans, baby. Oh, yeah Super Bowl. I forgot that's happening. Come. Oh, yeah less than a month Yeah, the rumble hey you hated it them taking taking Super Wild Card Weekend, Super out of Super Wild Card Weekend? No.

It didn't run its course. What the fuck? God to hell. Keith, you're wrong, Keith. Bad way to end this, brother. Yeah, bad answer. The fuck? Why? Because Super Bowl? That's why. Super Bowl. There's only one thing Super is a bowl around.

Yeah, but it wasn't just Super Wild Card Weekend. I'll tell you what. It was Super Wild Card Weekend. I forgot that it was not three years. Exactly. And the Super Bowl is super because it's so fucking massive. Yeah, and Super Wild Card Weekend is super

because of how super it is. Yeah, because it's a super experience. Yeah. Nothing super about this Wild Card Weekend. Jeez. Oh. Box commanders is a bang. Box commander, that was a great game.

Good performances. We need four good games this weekend. Performances and crap and not super. They're all super. These are filmmakers right here. This guy. And we're lucky that you're doing it for the NFL. You're the man.

Ladies and gentlemen, Keith Cosgrove. Yay. Keith Cosgrove, friend of the program. He's had to do battle for us a couple of times, obviously. Good luck. Throughout our relationship with the NFL over the last few years. You know, I negotiated the first ever social media rights so we could air their footage on our show digitally.

You know, just strictly digitally. Because a lot of networks obviously get digital rights whenever they air games and then they get daily concept for their TV shows But whenever they post on social media they would have to put a picture over the footage because they didn't have digital or social media rights to it now I Felt obligated because our show is an NFL show in our show had the presence it had in football when it was just on the internet which we are incredibly thankful for and appreciative of But I felt obligated like hey, I'm kind of

I'm using your shit. I feel like I should pay you for this I feel like this should be a working relationship, you know, like you guys can help us So we negotiated a deal was the first ever yada yada. It was pretty cool It was pretty cool. Then obviously you look around the internet and everybody's just stealing their shit You know like literally just stealing their clips, putting it out there. Talking a lot of shit against the NFL, which he was talking about narratives and everything like that. And it's like, oh I'm not, what are we? And they're like, well we tried playing whack-a-mole, it's just not possible without everything going. So like, our relationship with the NFL has literally,

and NFL Films has molded so much, we've been through a lot of things together. They've always been good to us. They've always been good to us They've always been good to us and they care about the NFL man. They they really they protect the shield a lot I mean that is like they feel like they are serving the NFL basically like hey we are here and that's the Sables passed it Down obviously in this entirety so the best they're good to us when it comes to like the major leagues Like you think about you know baseball or basketball hockey like the NFL that you can like They had Hank Sturm like you know all those years ago chiefs JJ said that they matriculating the ball down the field like you look at that like the quality on that the audio the visual on that and then obviously all the way up until now like

Class of their own. It's not crop when they make it. No, not crop. They're in a lot of they got their hands on stuff though Inside the NFL they say is that Tuesday nights now it was Friday nights I see the clips. I see the clips I mean they and they just throw Kelsey's late night show on top of everything like how many do they have to hire a lot more People than all these different teams are covering now and then bill everything bill does is through yeah The NFL films people sure sounds like no one's signing up for the yep John was tight part knocks though said if you could maybe get the word out there. We're trying You guys reach out to GM's you know you bean would be awesome on her up in Buffalo being beach

They seemingly got their culture already figured out But I think those fans would be like we don't need to be telling everybody think how paranoid everybody is is most people in the NFL are so paranoid. They don't want any they don't want their process out there That might be why? Mara gave Shane and dable another opportunity Like hey, you guys didn't really have a chance. I thought you had cameras in every fucking room. I mean, that's the Giants were certainly on display front center for a brand new show, but We look like the worst people on earth and I assume you guys were acting a little differently potentially because there's a camera Ptz pan tilt zoom that can catch the entire room staring at you as you're about to

All right. I got faith. You're not gonna fucking air me out here. Appreciate what did they leave off? Oh great question. I can't imagine. I mean when they're having personal conversations, like when you call your wife on the phone, like the camera's still there. I guarantee you it's not going off. So you got in a bathroom? Because that's like the classic. They could at least hear it. I'm sure they could hear it. If they have a, like if an exec has a bathroom right off his office, you could at least hear the dumb going through the door. Yeah.

They were blasting music at times. But then in one episode Dable started playing music on his phone and then NFL films just like got the rights and started playing the song so Is that right check Check the move check mate. We'll run it. It actually makes the scene much better. Thank you for that. I love that. He said Some of these teams are kind of obligated mandated to be a part of we're not welcomed guests in a lot of these places I think about just having to talk to all this football people. Hey, everything you say and do is gonna be monitored by somebody in a truck out here Do you think they're walking out?

So true. Have you done a hard knocks? I did an all or nothing with the card with the car Mm-hmm, which what they were referring to about doing the in season So true. Have you done a hard knocks? I did all or nothing. With the cardinals? With the cardinals. Which what they were referring to about doing the in season. It's the same thing. And like literally every, like the players are like doing this to the cameras. Like they don't want, like nobody wants them there. Nobody wants them.

The in season they didn't either. Like the, a few of those teams when, you know, people made comments like, yeah, I mean, they have to be there. So, and AJ is so right about the paranoid stuff. like you think about how many times you've been at practice and just like a Southwest flight goes over top you and they're like, who's that? They filming? Yeah Filming who is that? Yep It is

West flight coaches, there's certain those low those Oh, yeah, oh,rrr. Oh yeah. Little Cessna ones. Oh yeah. Helicopter. Yeah, chopper goes overhead. What is that? Hot air balloon?

That's definitely the Chiefs, right? The Chiefs are definitely filming us there. Bill Belichick's using a hot air balloon. We're onto your shit. Shut the practice down. Let's go on inside. Let's get a roof on this thing. We got eyes overhead.

Couple bogeys watching in from another NFL team. Instead, NFL Films goes, we gotcha. We're gonna film everything. Nobody else will film it, we'll film it. And then they're the only ones that have access to the vault. So like they're the ones making a lot of decisions. You know, I think you were gonna,

somebody was gonna ask about being mic'd up in those decisions. Whenever he said, we followed your career to me, it was like, I never was mic'd up. Was asked one time, I said, no chance, please. No, no, I don't wanna. And there's not a lot of players that just wanna be miked up. So centers have to be, either center or quarterback.

Or center or guard. For the TV though? Yeah, it's for TV, yeah, yeah, for sure. So you're miked up every time I've talked to you on the sideline? Great. Thanks for doing the whole- Going to Moe. It's just automatic. Yeah, of course. So I guess I should remember that in the moment about your life. Well, now you know. Every game was the-

Not one time. Well, it's not. Every game was the... Not one time. Well, it's not through the team. It's just automatic through the league. It's like, narc. Yeah. Yeah. OK. So great. Think about how many things I've said. Oh, I know. I'm not worried. I can imagine. I can imagine. I'm not worried. I'm worried.

Exactly. That is the thing that everybody says about NFL films is like, they got everything. They got everything. They get everything on everybody. Oh yeah. You're miked up and you say this coach sucks. Oh yeah. Fuck this guy. Yeah. Imagine they just clip that, send that to the coach. This general manager, what a fucking doofus. Why is this guy playing? How about the coaches that are always miked up in these big games now you find out later like if I was the coach I don't think I don't want to be miked up and like have them hear what I'm saying in the locker room in the sidelines Like you say some irrational stuff in the heat of competition that you don't you probably don't mean but it might sound weird out of

Contest. Amen when the Patriots played the Giants two years ago Jabril Peppers went up to say Kwan and he said like his say qualms mic'd up He said you you guys are lucky we're asked this year and that was a huge deal in New England because of the fact that like Jabril Peppers is Basically saying like yeah We fucking stink and people were so pissed at that got out and if you think about the scale of things that could be said Like that's nothing compared to compared to what some shit might be said about like a coach or a GM or an owner or something Like the ghost thing was Sam Darnold. Yeah, was Night Football? They hated that. Same thing, yeah. Yeah, NFL Films, because live in real time,

NFL Films, there's always an NFL Films representative whenever things are happening. Whenever like deals are getting done or a broadcast is taking place. I assume live in a moment, that getting out immediately afterwards, like, can we run some shit by it? Like, what are we, yeah,

they don't like making people look bad. Now that in season or off season with the Giants made everybody I like it so they're talking about his process and in the moment you can debate whether or not it was a good decision there's people that say it was a good decision I'm like it was we saw yeah I know he said they didn't like how the in season ended but as a fan I liked watching like after the Dolphins lost I was super pissed off but then you watch that the week after and it was like a cool wrap-up of the season yeah they're gonna make magic hey congrats NFL films

you did your thing yeah continue and do it yeah still bringing it bringing booms all the time I love me Lombo gets on this show and just fucking pisses off everybody. He's also at NFL films with Belichick doing that podcast every week. So Lombo's looking in the back. Yeah. I saw somebody laugh. I'm gonna say that. I mean, I mean, seriously, seriously, you got, you got fucking producers laughing every, every day. What do you expect? And then the NFL films, we're probably like, oh, but we're not laughing. You're in the building. We're laughing at something completely different. We're doing a comedy. We're doing a comedy in here along with soccer. Sorry Yeah filming late night with your whatever the fuck Jason Kelsey's late night shows called late night live, right? I didn't see the second one. I didn't I missed the second episode. I saw some clips

I think Kylie was sick. Yeah, Bo Allen fill it in Bo legend He's a monster. He's a monster. Absolutely. I just saw some clips. I think I appreciate the the late night I do But I think a lot of people are probably just watching clips of this thing Which is what all late night television kind of became late night television has become clips for YouTube Yep to live forever. Back in the day, late night was very, very important. I actually wrote a paper and did

research on late night television as a whole in college whenever I was interning at Mount Near Sports Network with Murph, rest in peace, absolute legend over there in West Virginia. All the way back to Johnny Carson and all the decisions that were made, you know, Cohn and Jay Lent, the whole thing, all of it. Yeah, I mean, I, I really researched it because I thought it was awesome because I remember I wasn't somebody that could fall asleep easy. So I watched late night on a very regular basis. I appreciated the way like Letterman was able to interview and Craig Ferguson was off the cuff seemingly ripped up the paper and throw it out and everything. I appreciated the zaniness, you know, the entertainment level, the interviews used to actually be like conversations as opposed to scripted Q&A's that you know lead to absolutely nothing and the market used to be like you needed to watch these shows to see certain things.

Now with the way social media is kind of just taking over and content is everywhere, it's like they understand that and obviously there's a live audience for it who are gonna watch their late night or late late night or whatever it is because they've done it or they're not good sleepers Or they're up late at night But a majority that is just trying to make clips just trying to create clips and I think that's how I'm following They call it late night with Jason Kelsey But Friday 1 a.m. Is a tough time slot tough

There's a tough time slot live, you know, that's what it is But I think he always wanted to be a late night show host which completely makes sense because what late-night show used to be so I respect and appreciate that Jason Kelsey's doing it I think he's a guy that can do it and Obviously, I assume he's enjoying the shit out of it because you're doing a lot of shit that you don't normally do in the football world saw it on ESPN plus like when I went to watch the Bruins game like I saw the Tab to watch back to watch back. Yeah, so like there's still other ways which is also good. Yeah watching it back What's that called on demand? Yeah

I don't know if they put it on Disney Plus like they should put it there too. It is I've seen it And I think they put it on his YouTube. Yep, they do. Yeah, so everybody's talking about like the live times at 1 a.m It's like that's a tough That's gonna be a tough spot to never get I think in this modern age I think that's gonna be a tough spot But all the other shit getting access to it is the only thing that matters and I've seen clips haven't I enjoy the fact He's doing it. Yes, you know It's like Peyton Peyton does so much shit. Yeah, how about the they're doing a kick of destiny? Yeah

Peyton with a mustache doing the whole I look awesome. Yeah, he'll go all in they will go all in on some shit They're not scared. No, what happened last year? Did Gronk make the kick last year? I don't think he's made it yet. I don't think he's made it yet. What's the one that looked like he made it? When was that? He looked like he made it, but he didn't. That was the first one. That was the first one. Yeah, pickleball. Out in the middle of the desert. I think it looked like it was good and then... They celebrated.

They did. Everyone went fucking nuts. It was five big booms. It was five big booms from the Gronks. And then real quick from the opposite side the refs And Vinny trained a monster everybody said dude, yeah Vinny was there yeah, I just want let's go drunk you miss Eli make it That's any like a golf ball. Yeah, I think you can make the kick. You should have a J. Bufumo kick it Who's that?

Costco guy they move major big boom a big Costco. They should have him kick it to back. Oh, yeah It's broken foot. Remember wrestle. I don't know if he still does I think he's got Wolverine blood I think he's pretty quick here. I don't know which one you're talking about You're talking about the dad of the Sun big big Costco big Costco. Yeah, how's he still bringing it? bringing it? So we're bringing it Hey, they need the kind of triangulate and tighten up The cameos that they decide to send to people but outside of that. I saw that one about the brother. Oh, yeah Yeah, pretty awesome. I believe there's a new song. Have you seen it? I didn't see that one Yeah, I don't know if it was it was family member. I think it was brother. It was brother

Oh, sorry to hear about your brother who just passed away. He gets five big booms There's your cameo and then that Yeah, that video has been taken and used for other tweets on X. Yeah So they got a new song coming out today. Some of those cameos. Can't wait. First of all, can't wait today. I believe it's called still bringing it. No, no. Breaking the boom meter. I think it's called. Okay, sweet. I can't wait to hear it. I do appreciate that. The people on cameo, I think they should be a little bit more selective on what they, you know, cameo has got people. The out of context.

Yeah. Just a little bit more. Get a request. I got to do it though. You know, I get a request. I want to do it. I guess. Yeah.

I've seen too many cameos that I don't think I was supposed to see. And that is, that's part of the problem. Good gimmick that cameo had there for a bit. Are they still bringing it? Still bringing it. I think they're still bringing it. Oh yeah. Let's all buddy's name those professional cameo. Bomb gardener. Brian Bomb they're still bringing it. Oh yeah. What's old buddy's name? That was a professional cam man.

Bomb gardener? Brian Bomb gardener is killing it on there still. The lives have definitely hurt them though because like you can just go on to like a live stream and pay them to say something. Interesting. So it's immediate. It's not going through the whole process. Bigger yeah.

Speaking of live streaming, you see Speed did a backflip. On the hand of God that real that was real I think it is with him with what that dude is so athletic. He is so fucking athletic Yeah, it is absurd how I thought that dude is just watching him. He's trying different shit. Obviously He's a full-set guy all the time. I'm not full send the group. He is we're talking He's a hundred miles an hour all the time. I respect and appreciate it Do you know how much juice you have to have just to be streamed just like sitting there him and Kai what they're doing I think they're the ones that introduced me to and I assume there's been other video game streamers that have obviously existed but just

Doing life. Yeah and being straight like obviously could be green screen, but the amount of people that have posted this I don't think so and with how I like this is real I think exactly I believe it's real and they're fucking weapons but I think there's a lot of people that are gonna be like I'm gonna be a streamer it's like speed is special and they're gonna fall right off the hand and die unfortunately that was that selfie what was that uh the planking thing got a lot of people remember there's people planking on shit dying. And then there was the There was some selfie got the top of the building or something, right?

The Pokemon yeah Pokemon people were walking right off fucking cliffs Grand Canyon what? That's on them. That's on them. Well all these things people say what would the what was the tick-tock? That there was a tick-tock where people were next to trains or something which once again We can get on train tracks. What do you think started that trend? Ping thank you Tick-tocks over Sunday We're bringing it up so much just like we have been bringing it up for like a couple months because we're saying hey Somebody's gonna figure this out. Somebody will all money. It's gonna take a while to get we're saying hey somebody's gonna figure this out somebody will all money it's gonna take a while give the amount of money that's gonna take those that generation might just blow up but you're

buying it from China is China gonna actually give total control I think they would have to write to exist I don't know why okay okay they'll always have a backdoor hey hey hey hey so the coding what are you saying okay I'm with you don't believe I'm just saying what do you say if you are if you're so worried have a back door hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey like they would do that. China does that. Yeah. We said there's no answers. No. So what you guys are saying, I'm saying tick tock was gone and I'm pumped. It's not fuck talk. I'm a user. What? Not not talk. Fuck. Fuck. Take talk. All right. You're saying potential what it's what it's doing on behind the scenes. Yeah, exactly. Not all the people

that are on tick tock. No, not our beloved. No, not our beloved talk Fairfield stag alumni. I'm saying more so what it could be doing Some black and white look at black and white change the hands of it nice memorialize the already I don't know five big all right booms. Yeah, exactly All right, boom, All right. Boom. All right. Boom. All right. Boom. All right. Boom. All right. Boom. Boom. Rest in booms. Rest in booms. All right, Reels. Let's get it going. Let's get it going, Reels. Need ya. Remember back in the day when everybody was a social media expert?

If you actually have a longer video like this, you take up more space on a timeline, it's more likely that they'll stop and watch your video. So instead of the square one, kind of make the more longer one if you could do that. That'll actually work. And my only answer was, can all these platforms just fucking get together

and say we need one, Dim, for all of it? And I'm like, no, that's what makes it special. And I'm like, okay, thank you so much. Speaking of no, that's what makes it special. And I'll be okay. Thank you so much. Speaking of special all year, we've been able to ride alongside a super offensive line brain as we were judging the top five offensive lines each week, not over their work as a whole, just the

performance from the previous weekend. Then there was a top five O lines of the entire season. And congratulations to the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line. It wasn't that trenchy. The long hair trenchy. That's right. Coolest one. And now we will go to the official power rankings of the authority

on offensive line play. Let's go to the OG in the trenches power rankings of all the offensive lines still left in the NFL playoffs Hey, can you break down this power rankings for us, please? Absolutely. We will start with the worst of the remaining teams. That is the Houston Texans Top A team in the NFL Yes, they are. But the Houston Texans have been running the ball Not because of their offensive line, but because their running back the ball, not because of their offensive line, but because their running back is damn good,

in spite of their offensive line. Okay, so the Texans obviously number eight, then you got the commanders, that's a big win, they just gotta get the Bucs. Big win, they had 30 yards rushing out, some of that might have to do with the fact that the Bucs defense line pretty damn good, but this has been a trend the last half of the season,

and they've gotten away from running the football. Sam Cosme, right guard, pretty good player, struggled a little bit the last couple weeks in pass protection, I'm a little worried about the old commanders of the season and they've gotten away from running the football. Sam Cosme, right guard, pretty good player, struggled a little bit the last couple weeks in pass protection. I'm a little worried about the old commanders against the line. Los Angeles Rams coming in at six. Puka said he messed up that play that that whole thing happened. Was that the determiner? Was that particular play for the offense line?

Cuz Puka said it was on him, not the big boy. Yeah, that was not on the left tackle. Puka definitely took out half the line, but that's okay. The Rams actually have been playing better They typically only run one scheme and it's duo so you're getting two yards in a cloud of dust almost every single play Okay, so let's go to number five their back-to-back Super Bowl champion Chiefs offensive line getting some love Wow Yeah, they're they're they're there because of their interior three now granted to and he moves out to left tackle But I love to any I love Creed Humphrey. I love Trace Smith. They gotoney moves out to left tackle, but I love Tooney, I love Creed Humphrey,

I love Trace Smith. They got Tooney out to left tackle, concerns me a little bit. They got Taylor at right tackle, don't love the tackles. I think that is going to be their kryptonite like it was in 2020. Okay, number four ranked offensive line here as we head into the division round,

the Buffalo Bills offensive line. That's what we're talking about. We got the Buffalo Bills, I think we got some clips of these final four, the Buffalo Bills. Here's what I love about them. Deon Dawkins, we talk about him, their whole offensive line pretty That's what we're talking about. We got the Buffalo Bills. I think we got some clips of these final four, the Buffalo Bills. Here's what I love about them. Deion Dawkins, we talk about him, their whole offensive line, pretty damn good. The reason they became great this year, Spencer Brown.

Let's take a look at the right tackle here. Learning from Deion Dawkins. We've talked about the chop, boom, throw his ass on the ground, opens up great pass protection down the field. You get the big chunk play. Okay, need to be able to protect if you want to get the explosive, which is the determining stat on this particular season seemingly.

Josh Allen can huck it everywhere if you give him the time. Obviously the Beals offensive line able to do that. Fewest sacks allowed. That's why I wanted to showcase a pass protection rep. Instead of a run because you've judged everybody else on the run game. Okay, let's go to the number three offensive line remaining. You love this group, the Baltimore Ravens. Baltimore Ravens, we got another clip here.

You're going to take a look. You got Derrick Henry in the Wildcat You got likely lined up to his left and then we're gonna send Lamar Jackson in motion You'll see it whenever Lamar goes in motion DB over the top. There he goes Just vacated a space Derek Henry in the open field stiff arm on Minka get the fuck out of here Keep it moving. That's tough for the Pittsburgh Steelers fans to watch time and time again But the run game is such a vital part of this Baltimore Ravens offense Lamar's able to spin it too So if you run well and you move bodies they have to respect it put bodies in the box and then what Akeush?

You run it at them. No you throw the ball outside. No you run it at them. Okay. Well that's we want to keep running the ball Yeah, and that's what the Ravens need to do going forward, but the run game has helped Lamar I think throwing even though Lamar's having his best run. 300 yards running though. I to keep running the ball. Yeah, and that's what the Ravens need to do The run game has helped Lamar. I think it's well 300 yards running though. I just keep running. Okay number two offensive line remaining in divisional round the Detroit Lions with a first round by they come in at number two and we pulled a clip from earlier in the season Love this play against the Indianapolis Colts. We got a zone play I love it. We got condensed splits over here. You're going to send St. Brown back across as a decoy. It holds the safety just enough and you can run a truck through that big gaping hole.

They were the number one offensive line a lot of different weeks before they were in the trenches. They were number one at the end of the season though. I know Ragnar, the center's playing with a torn tit. Yeah. Unbelievable. Penasal. Dog.

Freak. They've built through the offensive line line Jared Goff obviously reaping the benefit and then the number one offensive line is the same Offensive line. It was the number one all year the Philadelphia Eagles How come because they're so good across the board literally from left tackle to right tackle. They are so good They got Pro Bowlers and all pros almost everywhere replaced in all pro center with another pro bowl center So I mean they just got everybody clicking up front and when you look at this clip, this was the final clip Who's filming this? right some ass What is going on with the man?

Check this play out. Okay. Here we go. Yeah as we get we're gonna get there. No motion sickness Yeah, what is shaking in the middle of the seat box shaking in the middle of see but check so this play right here, right? So if we go back to the beginning real quick if we can This is the play that we saw where he slid down and ended the game But this play the reason why I want to show this this is what they love to do They go two tights and they're gonna go lead so you're gonna pull the backside guard You're gonna pull the backside rapper and he's gonna kick out, wrap, boom, and then this is the hole. If you guys recall the two 70-yard runs that he hit against

the Rams earlier in the season, exact same play. That's their bread and butter. Okay they got a bread and butter and they're able to be dominating every single week. Congrats to the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line being the number one offensive line remaining and also the number one offensive line being the number one offensive line remaining and also the number one offensive line in the entire league this season in AQ Shibley's eyes now let's go to your top eight power ranking teams okay and bang at number eight is the commanders number ones the Ravens number six is the Eagles what is that all about obviously Ravens number one team left in AQ's eyes then the Lions Bills Chiefs the back-to to back Super Bowl champs at four.

Rams, Eagles at six, even though they're number one offensive line. I thought that's how we decide games. And then number seven Texans and number eight the commanders. Why are the Eagles at six even though the offensive line? So you look at the Ravens, the Lions, the Bills and the Chiefs, they were basically in that exact order two, three, four, five. And then obviously the Eagles were at number one. The reason I have the Eagles at number one is because offensive coordinator and quarterback.

At number six you're saying. At number six, I'm sorry. They are not on the same page. And so when I look at this, I don't think that whenever Jalen Hurts and this offensive coordinator and Kellan Moore have to win a game throwing the ball, I don't think their pass schemes are consistent enough, and I do not think the coordinator is calling enough consistent plays for them to win it game throwing the ball. I don't think their pass schemes are consistent enough. And I do not think the coordinator is calling enough consistent plays for them to win it. Because in the playoffs, you can't just run the ball,

run the ball, run the ball. You're gonna have to win it with the quarterback at some point. And I think that is why. And by the way, they're playing against a Rams team with McVay, who's gonna come into town with a hell of a game plan. He's gonna control the clock on offense,

keep this offense off the field, and they're gonna need to make plays, and that is why I have them there. They got a great defensive line, even though the Eagles offensive line is fantastic. We saw the Rams D-line young and hungry, and I heard they bark every time they get in the facility from Pukinakua today.

That's quite a fall from Gray Center for the Eagles from their offensive line to the team that they're remaining. Commanders number eight, you're saying they shouldn't have beat the Bucks, or you're just saying it's a tough spot to beat them in the Texans? Tough spot. I mean, there's seven, eight between Texans commanders. It's just, I mean, now the saying they shouldn't beat the Bucks or you're just saying it's a tough spot to beat them in the Texans? Tough spot.

I mean, there's seven, eight between Texans commanders. It's just, I mean, now the commander's got to go play the Lions. Good luck. Congratulations to all these teams being the final eight. I do think, I do think the winner of that Ravens Bills team goes to the Super Bowl or the AFC. Wow. No longer a three-peat on the desk.

I do not see it. I sure hope so. Why? Because you don't want them to do something that the Patriots weren't able to do? You nailed it. I like it. Selfish reasons. Well, I mean, three in five years. What are you saying?

I like witnessing history. Me too. Me too. Me too. I don't mind greatness. Wouldn't hate seeing it. I would just prefer, you know, one of those other four teams to win.

I think it'd be cool. What is your guys' thoughts on me putting the Eagles at six? I thought that was like quite a shot at exactly what you said. As if you think the offensive line is number one. And you say it's all pros across the board. Literally all season the conversation has been whoever has the best offensive line is going to win the game. That's kind of how it's been.

And then you drop them not to two, not to three, not to four, not to five. What? To number six. You're basically saying offensive line like win the goddamn whole thing but Everything else needs to figure out. That's what I thought it was gonna be. That's exactly where I went. Yeah That was that was a shocker that wasn't it whenever we saw these graphics. Dan-o Does it go does that go in with what Dan-o said that he doesn't blame the receivers for not getting open? He blames what Jalen in the coordinator? I think that's a lot to do with it I think when you watch the film that's the thing that jumps out at you and I'm also playing into the fact

That the Rams and McVay are coming to town and McVay is an absolute genius. You give him two weeks to prepare He definitely was preparing for this matchup as he rested the starters in week 18. How about How about the Philadelphia Eagles fans? Oh, yeah, I'm ready for a Super Bowl Yeah, the fans are awesome. The fans are awesome. awesome. Their offensive line is awesome. Their running back is awesome. The receivers. Defense. Fans aren't awesome. Defense is unbelievable. There's one particular fan who no longer has a job. I've heard about that as well. Geez louise. Hey. That's bad mojo. Big Dom took care of him. He did. Then he found out who he was. Removed his employment from the place of work.

And his guts from the end. Says the lady, a bunch of Packers stuff. Right. Removed his fucking heart from his chest too. I didn't know Big Dom did that in 2025. There's a chance. I doubt. Alleged. Think about that guy.

How many times in his life has he? Oh. So many. So many. That's just like that guy. What is he, a Baltimore Ravens fan? Yeah. He's just starting to knock on people.

I never lose. Yeah. It's like, Jesus Christ, how many times has this guy done that? Just put people to sleep. Yeah. Now he's going to jail. I think he's going to jail jail. He's got a long time.

Jail, jail. He better still be bringing it. In jail? Yeah. He said he never loses. I think he's going to get tested. I think the record records up for grabs. Yeah. I'll get some reps. He certainly will. Alright, speaking of reps, all season we've gotten smarter on the defensive side of the ball. With a man who co-hosts every single Monday through Wednesday.

He's also on the sideline during the field pass with us. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for everything DB. Good D, Bad D, out of regular ass wild card weekend with Darius Butler. Here we go, here we go. So my four favorite plays from super wild card weekend. These are super plays. Good plays, four good ones. And then we got one Bad D on here as well. First one, Derrick Stingley Jr. made the the all everything DB team This is him quarters coverage across the back You see the umbrella and just watch him at the bottom of the screen double move He takes a dough move on top of it gets his head back Just like last week when I chose some plays never panics with the ball in the air and that's big for a Cornerback, I love corners that kind of turn into the receiver. Peaks fills the receiver, head back, boom, goes up and gets it. This was one of his two interceptions.

The second one was a tip. This one was kind of an under throw, but he's in great position. I don't care where this ball was thrown. 24 was making a play on it. And his running mate, Kamari Lassiter on the other side. In college, he only had one interception I think I heard on the call. So rarely do guys that aren't ball hawks and college become ball hawks any NFL But he's been tremendous at getting his hands on a football here You see Justin Herbert rolling out to his right throwing across his body to Quentin Johnson He goes up keeps his leverage. Yeah keeps his leverage So he's outside leverage fake post corner keeps his leverage in phase gets his head back goes up high point he takes stash the ball out here

tape right there combine drill teach tape getting it so obviously you get the tough part and then finishing that play creating that turnover one of hell yeah interceptions last year hey what's talking about that defense he's like very excited you can see he's like very excited to talk about them both corners gonna be locked down if You can if you got that you're in a great spot that helps tremendously Especially with the guys up front getting after the quarterback where they won't be comfortable potentially the only way they can win this game against the Chiefs Is getting after Patrick Mahomes exposing whoever's replacing Tooney inside and then maybe Tooney on the outside. Could you imagine if the Chiefs?

Gotta get in there. I couldn't actuallyose to the Texans? I can't. Can't see it. I can't watch it. Did you watch that clip right there? It was awesome. Awesome? Yeah. I mean that was... It was awesome. And then Stingley just so natural just give me the ball. And their pass rush? Very talented. D'Amico brings it. Yes. Their offensive line is crap. Absolutely stinks. Just a little bit of a difference. Defensively tremendous. With those chiefs. Oh, you're talking about just Andy Reid, the whole thing. Talking about Pat Mahomes here. Talking about Travis Kelce. I remember him stopping by our program the other day. Very kind of him. Also, D-Hop Re hop revenge game just thought of that

Definitely chiefs against the Texans back of balls. Is that what it was? Yeah, and over to the Chargers David John. I Knew they needed a washing machine. I called him up Jackie moon You know, he's doing elf. Yeah, he'sf. He needs to just be Jackie Moon at every NBA game. The NBA should be paying him to just go and just go to games. Ratings are down. Well, there's a chance Jackie Moon plays tonight. How about that? Fucking free corn dogs.

I'd go to every Pacers game. Good idea. We lose to the Cavaliers last night, I don't know if you saw. That's going to happen. Yeah, especially without Tyrese. He'll be hella back, right? Exactly. I wouldn't be worried about to the playoffs

Thanks for your hot team speaking of all let's go to some more good D on everything DB from Darius Paul Yeah, speaking of hot team hot defense Philadelphia Eagles great another great cornerback tandem here You got Quinion Mitchell down to the bottom Quintana mo babe been locking shit up as a rookie and then the old hit Triple OG big play slay on the other side. This is a teach tape rep Just got a straight takeoff route straight go ball here He's in position off-corner little double move sits gets his head around boop falls right in his number two This is called leaning and locating you see it here boom settles the feet get back Fills it wakes a little on top and phase you see that little arm grab there a little left

Shouts grass bones little joust get away with it boom catch it That's a tough catch to make overhead is still doing it at a high high level Slayers playing at a high level Mitchell's playing at a high level Cooper de Jean all these guys on that back end are tied in they did lose in the Kobe Dean Which kind of showed us some bad tackling kind of showed up on tape once he left the game. So I'm interested to see who replaces him. Will they put young Trotter in there? Or forgot the guy who actually created the, caused the fumble and opened the kickoff. He may replace him as well.

Okay, so is this your standard cover two here? This is, no, so down here, so down at the bottom, so down at the bottom is some type of zone coverage. I'm not sure what the zone coverage is, but up top he is locked on. So pretty much man to man. If you right before the snap, love, most of that guy. So if you pause it here, now you got a four by one. So a lot of times when you have zone coverages and the offense, Dan O was talking about the

four by one. When they overload that side, a lot of times on the backside you just lock that corner up. So regardless of what the other 10 guys are doing down here the bottom screen Slay's just on an island with Wicks so it's just one-on-one and they're doing some type of zone coverage down here. What a play. Great play. Perfect. Great play. Great position. And also Jordan Love my guy one-on-one it's gonna throw it up. Yeah fourth receiving option throwing him an awful lot an awful lot and I liked on Davian Wicks

But what about Bo Melton? Do you how is he? Yeah same difference? Let's go fucking get a couple guys Okay, what you guys need weapons? Yeah, let's maybe get Tucker Kraft a little bit more involved from the Green Bay Packers You guys need weapons. I didn't know what are you talking about? No. Yeah, I mean you got guys dropping like flies and You know in the playoffs we can't be throwing the guys who? You know we're just called up from the practice squad You just can't you can't beat the Eagles that way you think coupe de jeans gonna get fucking burned by one of those guys Absolutely not a lot speed on that guy absolutely and blank and ship you think he's gonna get out smart exactly he was He's fucking stickin moving out there

It was all right who else do we have on everything, D? Those two guys on the all everything, DB watch list for next year. Really? Preseason watch list, early preseason watch list. Put them on the white list. No, no, no, no, just watch list. No, the watch list, sorry.

I don't see color, I just see numbers. Yeah, there's an absence of one though, for those guys. Yeah, there you go. All right, here we go. Third and seventh, we got Chris Shula's young defense,as young defense LA Rams right here obviously had Sam Darno in hell all afternoon see our Kobe Durant following Jordan Addison over in motion and this is a great great rep obviously pressure up front but bad throw inside but he did a great job you run it back one more time actually you

can see from this this copy so this this safety he's gonna drop in insert take away that end cut from Justin Jefferson You got a crosser from Naylor who comes open but because of that pressure He never gets back to him bad throw I think bad ball placement but a great job by the young corner Durant to get it He actually opened his hips inside and plant his foot got back Addison's not an easy cover getting the coverage right and then once again picking that ball off great play Oh the Rams the real deal, huh? I think so in Darnold

What's that? Yeah the rough outing. What are you doing? You called you called Darnold might be just like hey Kevin O'Connell is really good coach. What are your thoughts on Sam Darno? I think Dan nailed it when he said it earlier He's just he's not gonna win you the game Thank you, Gino Smith, yeah, he's gonna win the Orange Bowl champ, I don't know if he's Gino Smith Think Sam Darno turn to a pumpkin Guess what happens when you turn into a pumpkin? You don't come back. I know I said I got killed.

You got let's not do the Orlovsky blame everybody else when we've been pumping up Darnold all year about how great he is. Have you heard the radio call from the Vikings guy? Paul Allen? Yeah, I have not. It is hilarious. Screaming at Darnold to get rid of the ball over and over again. He is a great play by Paul. He also

blamed Jay Glazer for the loss. So I didn't blame Jay Glazer. He blamed whoever told Jay Glazer that Kevin O'Connell was potentially going to get traded on the day of the Detroit Lions number one NFC seed game matchup Sunday Night Football. He said that whoever decided to leak that or say that to Jay Glazer, shame on you. I think his actual words, shame on you for doing that because there's people I was there that were like wondering like is Kevin O'Connell going to get your is he fully committed? Is everybody all in? He did bring that up in his post. I think he hosts a radio radio show in town Paul Allen on the PA on the mic. I listed that clip and he was like

shame on Whoever the fuck decided That on the biggest Sunday of this team's life Somebody needs to know that the head coach might be getting the fuck out of town if this shame on you whoever it wasn't It's like I could see how you say that I would also see how Kevin O'Connell had no idea That's potentially gonna happen and maybe an agent was like Yeah, I think I think it's about time. We remember here that there's a contract due for somebody. That's just like classic

Chess on how this whole thing works shocked me too. He was even going into the final year I would I would have just assumed we locked this guy up for another five years 2030 after last year. And I think his agent was thinking the same thing. Like what are we even doing here? With that being said, I just expected the players wouldn't care. But the way he was talking was like it was a real talking piece about it all. Players would be okay.

That's what I'm saying. I didn't think the players cared either. You know. Big little excuse trade. When I heard that, all I thought to myself was Wow Kevin O'Connell's tradeable. It's I wonder who's all gonna be interested in Kevin O'Connell That's and then looked up his contract find out it's up. It's like, okay, that's good business I don't even think one time it could be a distraction until Paul Allen said that on his show and it's like maybe he was

There we were not age. I guess I mean they know that their head coach is gonna be there for the Remainder of the season they knew he was they weren't gonna take him in two days What if Kevin O'Connell did the ultimate leverage play? I'm holding up tonight's game. Good luck show up to the lines game. Joy to game. Yep. Show up Do it put a hoodie on. Yep. Don't put the headset on seeds. I'm not putting it on sunglasses. Mm-hmm Yep, don't put the headset on seeds. I'm not putting it on sunglasses. Mm-hmm Maybe Justin Jefferson sunglasses huge chain huge chain. Yeah walking around not talking to anybody Yeah, interesting call you want to get a deal done or not? You want to coach tonight or not? I don't think that's what he was doing

No, but it was a nice reminder that he has his deals up They need to pay that guy. Yeah, give him a six-year deal. That makes everyone look maybe a ten year Oh, yeah, feels like he got it right with him feels like you got it right with him Will they be able to win a Super Bowl though? Can you win Super Bowl? We'll never find out. No with Donald Geez, what about that offensive line? Well, you saw I wrote it earlier. They need a lot of Upgrades on the offensive line in Minnesota There's how got hurt that just even speaks even more volumes as to why Kevin O'Connell deserves to be paid. Yeah, but also Sam Donnell maybe shouldn't be judged as hard.

Yeah, I agree, but you can't hold onto the ball like that. You can't take nine sacks. Take nine sacks? Yeah. How many do you think are on him? You guys are letting up nine sacks. This guy was corkscrewing in the five minutes. I mean, there was numerous times when he was getting sacked at five seconds.

What is the, uh, how come? Five seconds? How come that stats not never talked about? It should be. It's just all blamed on the offensive line. Yeah. Look at this guy get turned around. I get there. I mean, how many times have I called you and be like,

what are they talking about? That's how this whole thing started. Cause Dan Orlovsky was doing a breakdown on how this was an offensive lineman's fault. And AQ said, you know, a dumb Dan O sounds on TV right now. And I have not watching TV at the time. So he had to explain to me, then I watched it back back and he watched along with me. Let's watch this together

Then he explained how the center actually because it's on the left hash He's looking over his center the linebacker is off to his left shaded to his left So he actually doesn't count and the protection to the right Dan doesn't know that though. They doesn't know that at all Yeah, you want you would like to offer time and stop getting blamed. They get blamed for everything It's like so many times that like in front. I'm instance against the the Vikings came the other night Sam Darnold legitimately is standing in the pocket and hitch hitch Trying to step up move back like some point throw the ball away those guys gotta protect him

They gotta give him you can not hold it forever The ball of was seeing ghosts. He was missing throws all over the court. How about when his eyes, when he showed his eyes the one time. He was just like, fuck this. Where am I? They were dialing some shit up, too. It wasn't simple.

It was only rushing four most of the time, sometimes five. But for Sam, he felt like it was 13 motherfuckers rushing him. I'm happy to hear that we still have massive question marks with the Minnesota Vikings offense and at head coach I guess are they gonna get a deal done or not? I don't know Let's go to the last everything DB good D bad D. Darry J. Butler. What do we have last play and this is Unfortunately, you know best corner back in the league right now Patrick certain Sometimes you have bad ones and And once again, another four by one situation. This one in man to man coverage, you'll see him and Riley Mawls kind of communicating on who's on who.

He's on Hollins. If you pause it here. So there's a little mix up. And now he is in bad leverage. Just how Joe Brady and Josh Allen drew it up. Got Curtis Samu running across the field away from his leverage, hits him in stride and he Hits the brakes on him. You never want that as DB's you want to be able to tackle them so that you can defend every blade of grass we saw this in the Texas Ohio State game like you get a guy down you get it first and goal on a one You just got to be able to roll the ball out there and say hey

We got to defend the bow up keep him out of the end zone So you got to get him on the ground even when you give up a big play But this play started with communication if you just line up Samuel against Patrick certain nine times out of ten certain is gonna win that rep But when you add in the formation the motion the communication that the hesitation of being in the wrong leverage You get big plays like this a great job from Joe Brady calling up dialing up and then obviously Josh Allen Executing and making the throw. Hell. Yeah, congrats to all the DBs all season that were on everything DB, good D, and sorry to all the DBs that were on bad D,

but you're gonna get got, you just gotta get yours more than you get got though. Shout out to Marshawn Lynch, and shout out to you, Darrius, great work. How you doing? How you doing, brother? You too, AQ. All right, we're gonna get the hell out of here

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