The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1279 - NFL Divisional Round Preview/Picks, Adam Schefter, Adam Pacman Jones, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: January 17, 2025

On today’s show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about all the divisional playoff round games this weekend and make their picks against the spread. They also preview the National Championship, and c...hat more about the different coach and GM openings in the NFL right now. Joining the show to give an update on the Deion Sanders situation in Dallas, why Kevin O’Connell hasn’t gotten a contract extension yet, who the Patriots are looking at for Offensive Coordinator, why he wouldn’t place Ben Johnson in Las Vegas just yet, and much more is ESPN Senior NFL Insider, Adam Schefter. Later, 13 year NFL veteran and host of the Pacman Jones Show, Adam Pacman Jones to give a few updates on the Deion Sanders situation and why he thinks Deion is going to stay at Colorado, how he’s hearing that Ben Johnson to the Raiders is a done deal, where Sheduer Sanders might wind up, and how he thinks Ja’Marr Chase’s contract situation will play out this year with the Bengals. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our Hubble abode the Thunderdome on this feel-good Friday January 17th 2025 this program starts right now Wonderful we are just one day away from the divisional round of the NFL kicking off tomorrow Two games two games on Sunday and then what on Monday? Oh the college football national championship that we'll be on the sideline for, for another edition, potentially the final edition of the field pass on ESPN2. We can't thank you all enough
Starting point is 00:00:34 for allowing us to do this for a living. Football is on fire. We're lucky to be in the middle of all of it. The talk table's here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Ty, you look fantastic. Good to see you. Hey, thank you. You look great as well How about Boston Connor right now?
Starting point is 00:00:48 Rocking a brand new 50 Jersey how and why did that come to be Boston? About two weeks before the Patriots announced who their next head coach would be I thought you know, it's gonna be Mike Vrabel What are we even talking about here? This is stupid So there's obviously the red the blue the white the blue and the white Kind of the newer jerseys. I don't think Mr. Supreme commander Mike Vrabel ever wore those So I said, you know what? I'll get a red one and it doesn't say very one back instead what? Does that cook yeah, I get it because that was his jersey. Yeah, but now he's the head coach of the team bingo Yeah, so I think it kind kind of works in both ways. Obviously, you know, a 50 Mike Vrabel, of course.
Starting point is 00:01:28 That's not Rob Nankovic, that's Mike Vrabel. And then you look on the back head coach. Yes, of course it's Mike Vrabel. Now I didn't go white or blue because you know, maybe the Patriots changed their jerseys. Maybe they go back to the old school, you know, what they used to be. Those kind of throwback ones, but permanently.
Starting point is 00:01:43 But so I went with the red. Yeah, I'm very proud of this purchase I would honestly what size is that is that for pads is that funny enough it is double X just in case you know either supreme commander Mike Vrabel wanted it or if I had to throw some shoulder pads on it would still work so that's why I went with the double X also that's all that was available so it's got it's got is what it is in that sense but I'm glad that I did it so that when I do need to wear shoulder pads, which I'm sure will happen over these next
Starting point is 00:02:10 eight months before the next season starts, that I'll still be able to wear it. I heard Supreme Commander maybe knows of your existence, obviously, and then also said, Hey, I'm gonna need a ride to and work if you can figure that out for me. Is that potentially what happened there? There's a chance. And look, hey, look, it's open. I have, I have people that are waiting for that call to piggyback ride, to pick up Mike, Supreme commander, whenever he needs. And also I know these same people have very, very good connections in the nicotine department.
Starting point is 00:02:38 So I know whatever he would need possibly. He would have a nicotine department, FDA proves in to go ahead and move forward, which is a wild development in it all. I think the big tobacco is also running big Zin, I think. Correct. So it's kind of one thing to the other. Why I potentially got... Nonetheless, the Zinners out there get a Zin on the notch today. Zin is now FDA approved, which I'm not 100% sure what that means, but I know this office is certainly pumped that it's not going anywhere. And I'm not talking about myself, I'm just talking about the random Zins that are around everywhere.
Starting point is 00:03:09 And I don't think our office is alone in that. I think it's rather large everywhere. Let's talk about the hat you have on, just Cox across your forehead right now. Are you a mayor of Cocktown today? No, I figured, you know, there's some football teams, especially on this weekend. You talked about how great it's going to be,
Starting point is 00:03:23 Saturday, Sunday, Monday. I feel like the Cox are one of those teams that are probably still thinking right now we should be in the national championship and I don't want to say that they should because I think we got it right I think the seven verse eight seed is perfect no you said you know what it's a national championship on Monday let's go back four rounds bingo and revisit the argument of who got it and who didn't we remember you know we're talking about all these NFL teams that had great seasons. We're probably going to talk about a few more on Monday.
Starting point is 00:03:48 Like, hey, it was still a great season. Cox, I just want them to know we remember. They finished strong. The Cox strong on this is what people say. And I think Shane Beamer is excited for what he's building down there in South Carolina. I think going forward, South Carolina is going to be in a great spot. They certainly ended the year in the right way. And that first round of college football playoffs, a lot of blowots. So there was a lot of arguments on who got in,
Starting point is 00:04:06 who should have got in, who shouldn't have got in. Then we go to the second round, guess what? Another round of it. Then we get to the semifinals, good games. Now we're at the national championship. We assume Notre Dame and Ohio State are going to bring out the best in each other. And we'll say this, the messaging that's coming out of both teams, awesome. Everything you would want from two teams that are you know laying on the line for one last time, you know, Jack Sawyer Captain Jack Sawyer number 33 for the Ohio State Buckeyes who had the strip sack and then the 92 yard Scoop and score against Texas to put that game away down there in a cotton ball he had a players Tribune article written and he said one more than forever and
Starting point is 00:04:42 Basically this whole narrative started after last year Whenever he and a group of the guys that could have went and left to the nfl Gone on a group text and basically shared their thoughts about how you know We can come back and win the whole damn thing We can come back and really rewrite the entire script and he said was very emotional in there Some guys chose to leave some guys wanted to leave at the beginning and then in the group text decided they wanted to come back and they decided one more season than we have forever as Buckeyes. Now there's idea or whatever it is. They said history is written by the winners basically. The conquerors is how they say it. You're holding the pen has been the messaging.
Starting point is 00:05:30 So Jack Sawyer and the Buckeyes are like one more than forever. And then Notre Dame is like, hey, we're writing history right now. Those are two very powerful narratives. Combining on Monday night, clashing on Monday night, two fantastic teams. Monday night is going to be awesome, Ties on Monday night, two fantastic teams. Monday night is gonna be awesome, Tysh. Yeah, I cannot wait. And I think, like you said to it, the closer we've gotten to this game, early on, I think everyone was like, okay, we've seen Ohio State and
Starting point is 00:05:53 what they've been able to do these last several weeks. They're gonna blow out Notre Dame. They're way more talented. They have all the five star recruits, their offense has been humming. I think we're gonna get a tight game. I really do. I think there is a world in which Notre Dame can absolutely win this game. I can't wait. I mean, the semi-finals, both of them, I mean, in that game early on, it was like, you know, we were there
Starting point is 00:06:16 in Miami and it felt like, eh, Notre Dame, like it just, it's just not their night. It was a great season. But when they have the opportunity to take the momentum and flip it they flip the game on its head They've done that in you know, every single round thus far. So I can't wait for this game. Like Connor said I think we got it, right I think this is one of the most anticipated college football matchups in a long time. That's gonna decide a champion They were saying that the Thursday and Friday night Playoff games had lower ratings than something in the past and yada yada.
Starting point is 00:06:47 I think there was a little bit of either confusion on how big the games were, that the games were a big deal, and national championship everybody knows. Yeah. You know, like this is it. So I think viewing patterns are gonna have to get used to being four games. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:58 Which for these two teams, they've had to do. They've had to show up four straight games against very good opponents and play their best game. Show up in the biggest moments make clutch Place make clutch loads make massive clutch tackles call a great game make massive decisions and also Deliver your message if you're Marcus Freeman or Ryan Day four different times to get it through that This is the biggest game of your life. They've obviously been able to do that. That guy's different than everybody else It's gonna be on the field. He'll be back next year again. Hopefully for Ohio State
Starting point is 00:07:23 I assume it will be for Ohio State, even though we don't understand how college football works nowadays. There's a chance he plays for another team. I guess there's a chance somebody comes in and says, Jeremiah Smith, here's $30 million for you to come play for another school. I don't know if that's possible
Starting point is 00:07:38 or even a thought at the moment for Jeremiah, Trevion Henderson and his entire squad, but cannot wait for Monday night. And then the division around this weekend Let's go to one half of the hammer dad Cowboys AP tone. We were checking out the weather, you know We got a we're checking out the weather. We think it's gonna play a factor especially in a couple of these games Texans Chiefs obviously kicking everything off on Saturday It is 430 kickoff that kickoff will be 24 degrees
Starting point is 00:08:02 The coldest it's gonna get is about 20. It'll feel like it's 10 degrees. 11 to 13 mile an hour winds. That's pretty big 11 to 13 is certainly yeah poppable and you will feel that Houston Texans obviously come from a dome They're down in Houston. Norma humid and everything like that Will that play a factor like it did for the Miami Dolphins last year? We shall see then Washington commanders taking on the Detroit Lions. Now that's on Saturday at eight o'clock. It's gonna feel like it's 70 and sunny kickoff. Okay.
Starting point is 00:08:31 The coldest it's gonna get is about 70 and sunny. Okay. And then it's gonna feel like it's about 70 and sunny. Perfect. And you know, there's a lot of people that say, why don't we have that for all games? You know, especially with the amount of money we have, that beautiful Ford Field dome up there
Starting point is 00:08:44 is gonna be rocking for that one obviously Jaden Daniels and the boys coming in there they have overachieved this season I think they're going in there free against the Detroit Lions team that could feel it then Rams Eagles this one you see all the snowflakes around here that's not saying they're soft that's not snowflakes, that gives them softies around here okay that's saying those Johns are gonna have to deal with 32 a kickoff 31 coldest it's gonna feel like it's 22 10 to 11 mile an hour winds gonna be breezy a lot of snow they're thinking maybe three to five inches over there for that particular game and then obviously Ravens Bill
Starting point is 00:09:13 is caps off an incredible division around weekend. It's gonna feel like it's 19 a kickoff I'm sorry gonna be 19 kickoff coldest and it's gonna feel like it's 11 with six to seven mile an hour winds only about an inch of snow being projected now at this time. Tone, when you look at this, who is at the greatest advantage with the way the weather is going to be throughout the Division around weekend and how do you think it actually plays into the game's outcomes? Like at greatest advantage, and we've talked about this, we talked about it a lot that first weekend of the college football playoff when it was the first time that teams were hosting and had a home field advantage and we talked about warmer teams coming up. We saw it with SMU going to Penn State and we saw it other places. When you look at this, Tennessee coming up to Ohio State. Yes, Tennessee
Starting point is 00:09:52 coming to Ohio State. When you look at this, it's obviously the Chiefs and Eagles who you would think have the biggest advantage because obviously you said Houston being the dome team, LA being a dome team, also being LA, Houston both warm places going against Chiefs and Eagles who not only are warm or cold weather climates, these teams have played deep into playoffs in cold weather games in like in these situations before like in the college football playoff, even Ohio State they had never played in December. Like Tennessee was coming from a warmer climate but Ohio State still had never, these are teams in the Chiefs and Eagles that have made deep playoff runs and know what it's like to play in the cold so obviously I think those two teams have the Chiefs and Eagles that have made deep playoff runs and know what it's like to play in the cold.
Starting point is 00:10:25 So obviously I think those two teams have the biggest advantage weather-wise. And the way the Eagles play is a cold weather style. Matthew Stafford is who we're all banking on with Puka and Cooper and everything they got. And obviously Williams is very good. But the Philadelphia Eagles have the best offensive line in the entire NFL, says A.Q. Shipley in the trenches.
Starting point is 00:10:42 They also have the best running back in the NFL in Saquon Barkley, if you. They also have the best running back in the NFL in Saquon Barkley if you look at all of the stats pretty much. So you would think cold weather, a lot of snow that feeds right into what they're Saquon, Pennsylvania guy, Penn State guy played for the Giants now he's playing for the Eagles. It's like built for it born. I was born in it. Yeah. Doesn't mean he likes it. Okay. A lot of us who were born in the cold, we obviously have built up calluses to understand it doesn't mean we like it.
Starting point is 00:11:07 It's just like, okay, whenever we get dropped into it, we understand the suck a little bit more than most people. Not saying NFL players aren't used to playing in cold, there's going to be cold games. But whenever you're talking about three to five inches of snow, when you talk about it feeling like it's 22 degrees, 10 to 11 mile an hour winds, I mean, that is a mental test as much as it is a physical test. Philadelphia Eagles, we think, will be set up for that in a good way, but this LA Rams team has been surprising everybody through the entirety.
Starting point is 00:11:31 Then you think about Ravens-Bills. Obviously, the Bills in the Bills-Moffey are used to it feeling like it's 11 degrees. They're used to it being six to seven mile an hour wins. I assume they were hoping that maybe we'd get a little bit more snow so we can get a real Buffalo game. I think less snow, the better for the Buffalo Buffalo Bills because if you think of where the Baltimore Ravens are built With Patrick Card and Derek Henry in the backfield with Lamar Jackson the power game that they could just play If it was to get a little messy if this was become a mud game
Starting point is 00:11:56 Become a snow game if this would come that you think it would benefit the Baltimore Ravens as opposed to the Buffalo Bills But they got Josh Allen. Yeah, exactly Josh Allen Allen is a wagon in of himself, used to it, comes from the mountains, played over at Wyoming, obviously in Buffalo, huge hands. Huge hands. Hey, but spinning off that Lamar isn't used to it at this point, and then you talk about the Texans going to Kansas City.
Starting point is 00:12:17 When Miami went to Kansas City, it was just a different ball game. I don't think Houston has the same softness as the Miami Dolphins team does. Tameka O'Riins has a little different group of boys down there Traveling up to Kansas City, but that'll certainly play into it as well and from what we're hearing There's a little tae voodoo going on Which we had to even add to the graphic which we should because Taylor Swift's aura
Starting point is 00:12:37 It's certainly a part of the weather climate. Yeah, and even for the Buffalo game Like you mentioned we looked earlier on the insights on NFL plus premiums NFL Pro and the Bills are also one of the top teams when it comes to the jumbo personnel they bring in Spank Brown number 70 so it's almost like that game is going to be kind of favored for both of them with this weather it might just be a grounded path but then the other thing that we saw was and Chuck Pagano mentioned this yesterday I believe that the Bills stay in nickel personnel and they kind of brought that up in those kind of graphics that we saw about the game. Yeah, no matter what.
Starting point is 00:13:09 No matter what, they kind of stay in it, and the Ravens kind of roll with Ricard and their Jumbo personnel. And I believe the thing that I saw was Todd Munkin used it 16 times during the wild card round against the Texans last week and so that if they continue to do that especially with the kind of bills not changing their defense like Chuck mentioned they'll just roll it out there no matter what then the Ravens might just run wild but again like the bills they can do it as well because they use the jumbo. We love the thought of power football and that is why all season you know the conversation
Starting point is 00:13:43 is like oh this team looks good this team looks good but when push comes to shove are they gonna be able to win late in December January to make it to February football and it always revolves around the line it always revolves around a style of play now granted unless there's more teams with warmer climates that are gonna start getting the home field and start getting seated higher which we don't think is gonna be possible especially with the Chiefs existing especially with Lamar existing especially with Josh Allen existing Yeah, you name it and now granted Detroit is the perfect place for anybody to play because it's perfect conditions It's also the perfect place for the Detroit Lions to play with the way they play offense
Starting point is 00:14:19 But what to get to the Super Bowl which is gonna be perfect climbing normally You're gonna have to play some tough tough ball does your team have it or not that's what you should be thinking all offseason can our team win during the regular season who cares did mm-hmm who cares can you win and when it matters because inevitably only one team is gonna have a happy offseason the rest of the 31 teams are gonna be miserable and if you're gonna one of these big-time games that you've been dreaming of you've been hoping for and you just get smacked in the mouth because you're not tough enough Allah don't want to keep referencing this the
Starting point is 00:14:49 Miami Dolphins yes that is not a good way to end the season that almost takes your hope away for future seasons more than a team that didn't even make it to the playoffs it's like well even if we make it we got no shot massive four games can't wait to hang out on Saturday with the NFL, Sunday with the NFL, and then the College Football National Championship on Monday. Football is on fire. Let's talk about some drama. Conversations, narrative being built.
Starting point is 00:15:12 Jason Witten was asked about potentially being the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. He said no comment. Now, do you say no comment because he's not the best public speaker? As we learned on Monday Night Football. That makes sense. Potentially. But then there's another guy that's potentially going to the Dallas Cowboys His name is Dion Sanders
Starting point is 00:15:28 We'll be talking to friend and family basically of prime time in a second hour in Pac-Man Jones friend of the program He obviously is close with Dion. He was Dion was actually on the Pac-Man Jones show a month ago or two months ago It was basically laughing at the idea of him leaving Colorado. Now, I don't think at the time he understood what options were available, and I don't think he's gotten a call from Jerry Jones at that time to potentially come be the head coach of the Cowboys.
Starting point is 00:15:54 Now, we're starting to hear some rumors, you know? NIO money is run dry, potentially, in Colorado. He's asked for more money to raise for his assistant coaches in this entire thing over there at Colorado So now he's chit chatting about these things getting released pretty similar To what was happening Jacksonville State when it was like hey, we weren't able to get this we weren't able to get this now, Colorado We're not able to have enough NIL money. We're not not able to have enough money to pay the assistant coaches There's a lot of rumors coming out now from Colorado. I don't want to say justifying a move to the Dallas Cowboys because I don't think he has to do that Dallas Cowboys head coaching job is one that any college coach would
Starting point is 00:16:33 probably take if they were offered it but prime to the Dallas Cowboys feels a lot more real now than it ever has Ty. Yeah without a doubt and I think you know I mean to to Dion's credit like that that's what you would do is you know he went to Colorado and kind of gave him the chance. It's like, hey, I want more money, you know, for for my staff and for the NIL and all that kind of stuff. And if you are Colorado and I understand, you know, maybe the money's not there, maybe it's not available. But you see all this Cowboys stuff come out, you know, like, hey, that's a very enticing job. You know, his relationship with Jerry. So Dion kind of gave them every opportunity to be like, Hey, you know what? Nope. You are our guy. You've turned this culture around. We'll give
Starting point is 00:17:12 you whatever you need to continue to succeed. And if they weren't able to do that now, it seems like it is just going to take Jerry, you know, flying his helicopter to Dallas or, you know, where Dion lives in Texas or wherever Deion's at and say hey okay what do I need to do to kind of get this thing done? Yeah it's fascinating that we're starting to learn this. Yeah. That this is getting leaked out there you know because now it's like hold on it feels real it does it's very real about Deion Sanders going to the Dallas Cowboys and every new piece of information that we hear about off the field stuff potentially it's like Dallas Cowboys and every new piece of information that we hear about off the field stuff potentially it's like wait a minute is he starting to look around and be like should I stay here?
Starting point is 00:17:51 Yeah, sons aren't there anymore. And I do love tennis. And this is what people have been saying. Yeah. Basically since the beginning of prime getting to Colorado saying hey when his kids aren't there is it going to be a different animal? Now he gets the number one recruit in the country to come play quarterback perfect timing you know the whole thing past the keys and I
Starting point is 00:18:12 genuinely think that prime was can stay at Colorado and Jerry calls him up and says we have an opening you've already proven to be a good coach you've already proven to be able to build a culture, you know this organization, you know this family, feels like that is the biggest asset that Prime has versus all these other candidates that could potentially be going to Dallas. Now Dallas Cowboys are interviewing Kellen Moore, offense coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles, who Troy Aikman referenced whenever he did his Monday night football kickoff show, diatribe about the Dallas Cowboys not really being that coveted of a job and him thinking that Mike McCarthy was gonna continue to be the head coach. Troy Hickman said obviously I have a lot of
Starting point is 00:18:50 love for the Cowboys, I played there for 12 years, we had a lot of success but I don't know if this is really a place that people want to go anymore. With the way it's run, with the way it's operated, he said that Kellen Moore is forced on a big Mike McCarthy. He said big Mike McCarthy was actually told Kellen Moore is gonna be your offensive coordinator. So obviously the Jones family loves Kellan Moore. He's been there before him and Dak get along very well. And also he'll be a guy that won't, you know, these young guys getting a first head
Starting point is 00:19:14 coaching job. I'm not saying Kellan Moore won't have any ideas or opinions, but it's very easy to control manipulate. I don't want to know. Yeah, I don't want to put these negative connotations on it. First time head coach, young lad. Guide. This is very much like, hey, boy, this is what we're doing. This is how we're doing it.
Starting point is 00:19:32 As opposed to you get a veteran coach that comes in there, he's going to have some ideas and thoughts and disagreements. You know, it's just like what happened potentially, although it was never confirmed. Doug Peterson in Philadelphia. Doug Peterson gets a head coaching job at Philadelphia. Hey, you just coach the team,
Starting point is 00:19:46 we're gonna run everything else. Then Doug Peterson has a lot of success. Then Doug Peterson starts having his own ideas, opinions, and then allegedly, behind the scenes, that all kind of blew up. He takes a year off, he ends up down in Jacksonville, he has since been fired. But the thought was that whenever they hired
Starting point is 00:20:01 Doug Peterson in Philadelphia, they could kind of control the entire operation. Ownersie the whole thing and then whenever Doug started getting a little bit more Matthew yeah And then it became a little bit of a problem, you know down there in Jerry world Is there a chance of Kellen Moore gets the opportunity as opposed to prime or as opposed to Witten? Mostly because they know what he's been able to do with that offense they've seen him they know him and they also know that Kellen Moore is gonna be very thankful for the opportunity so anything that happens other than that he's not gonna have any
Starting point is 00:20:32 issues with there's a chance that's why this Cowboys job is so like kind of held in high regard is cuz you're gonna be on primetime every single week everybody's gonna know you you're gonna have tours through the building you got to have somebody that understands that place to get that job is Kellen the guy that understands it enough and also He's down with just being controlled and not having any say in a lot of stuff Yeah And I believe when he did leave Dallas they didn't want him to like when Kellen ended up leaving It wasn't one thing where Jerry wanted that to happen kind of wanted to keep him
Starting point is 00:21:00 But that's why it feels like Dion almost feels like it makes more sense if it does end up, you know, coming to an interview and all those things, because he is kind of that guy that gets all those things. He likes all the media and things like that, that Jerry does. And it kind of feels like Dion can speak to Jerry the way that Jerry would kind of need to hear certain things. Like Troy kind of made the entire point of you need someone who's going to tell Jerry no sometimes, or at least kind of battle the entire point of you need someone who's gonna tell Jerry know sometimes or at least kind of battle back and forth with them and if they do want to have somebody
Starting point is 00:21:30 that you can kind of just guide and let Jerry steer the ship absolutely Kellan makes sense especially because he's been there but like Deon I feel like understands the star more than anybody else because of the fact that he played there had success there And also I assume Steven growing up fan of Deon. Jared Jr. JJ who we're just now learning of. Pride loves him. J. Jones Jr. Triple J. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. That's a great name.
Starting point is 00:21:53 We need to learn more about Triple J, Jared Jones Jr. down there. Probably grew up watching Prime. And I think there was even a commercial that was back in the day where Jerry Jones saying, get me Prime or something like that, how much he has respect for Deon Sanders So if Stephen Jerry and Jerry jr
Starting point is 00:22:09 Mm-hmm are all fans of somebody that obviously puts it into a respect level and then also puts prime in a position where he Can say to Stephen like hey Stephen we need to be doing hey Jerry Maybe this maybe this to Jerry Jones senior like the whole aspect of prime go in there makes more and more sense the more you talk about It the more you think about it sucks for Colorado. Sure Especially with everything they were able to build there the culture shift that happened there everything the all eyes on boulder beautiful place Absolutely gorgeous place But in reality not a lot of college coaches would be turning down an opportunity to be the Dallas Cowboys Head coach, especially if you have a lot of history there and you became a Hall of Famer
Starting point is 00:22:48 Basically because of a lot of the work that you did for the Dallas Cowboys joining us now might be a man who has more information on the situation senior NFL insider for ESPN Adam Schafty Hey, how are you doing brother? Thank you for joining us We're talking about the Cowboys situation with Prime because this is sports media dream, but it's also a massive college football story. It's a massive NFL story. There's precedent story. There's a lot going on here. What do you think the reality of the situation is down there in Dallas? Prime has real opportunity. Witten has real opportunity.
Starting point is 00:23:17 Kellan has real opportunity. Who's making the decisions. How do you end up seeing this working out? You think Shefty? Well, Jerry's team. So I think it starts starts with Jerry and I think we go from there and I think Kellen Moore is somebody that knows that System knows that organization knows that culture Gets along great with Dak. I think there's a lot there that tells you that Kellen Moore is gonna be in play for this job and If Jerry Jones wants to take a big swing and go for Deion, go pay the buyout,
Starting point is 00:23:51 which again, I don't think he'd be thrilled about doing. There are ways to navigate that. Maybe he has Netflix partner up with him to help take on some of the costs, not that Jerry can't afford it or anything. What is the buyout? But I don't think that that $10 million buyout is completely insignificant in this particular occasion.
Starting point is 00:24:10 So we'll see. They've got Robert Sala today. They're talking to him, the former New York Jets head coach, Kellen Moore, Leslie Frazier coming up here. Those are the known candidates so far. Deion's always there. Jerry knows where to find him. Deion knows where to find Jerry. Deion was planning to go snowmobiling in Colorado this weekend, although I was told it's supposed
Starting point is 00:24:28 to be as cold as it's ever been there this weekend. So I don't know if his snowmobile plans are still on in the mountains. We'll see if he's tough enough to go do that or not. So Dallas, again, Dallas is on its own time schedule here. The people, the candidates that the Cowboys are pursuing And Dallas is on its own time schedule here. The people, the candidates that the Cowboys are pursuing seem to be different than the candidates that most other teams have on their horizon and their radar. So it's not like Dallas needs to rush to go make a decision. Jerry Jones will be able to go through his process, think about it. And by the way, I'm sure during the course of this, he'll probably change his mind a
Starting point is 00:25:03 couple of times. One day feel a certain way, another day feel a different way, but he'll have enough of a foundation to make what he believes is the best decision for the Dallas Cowboys. That's Jerry Jones football. Also Jerry Jones football didn't make his decision about Mike McCarthy until after Vrabel was already hired
Starting point is 00:25:18 at another spot. So didn't even get a chance to interview, which a lot of people think was the number one coach in this entire hiring cycle. He's already gone to New England which was seemingly already in the stars to begin with. Last thing here about the Dallas Cowboys before we pivot off anywhere else. Coach Sala, I know there's only 32 head coaching jobs. I don't know how many years he had left on his contract with the Jets when he got fired. He's not signing up to join another family business. Is he, doesn't that,
Starting point is 00:25:44 you know, with how that whole thing worked out in New York, is there a thought about that? Is it still a coveted job by people that are outsiders to the Dallas Cowboys? Kellan in there, Prime in there, Whitten in there, Leslie Frazier, I don't know what his history is over there, and once again remember Prime and Zimmer have a relationship, Zimmer current defense coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys. Is there still an idea that if you current defense coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys Is there still an idea that if you're an outsider for the Cowboys you want to go into Jerry world and coach for that team? Oh I think people would love to go coach the Dallas Cowboys and by the way, like those are all the names We also have like in that organization
Starting point is 00:26:23 I think the Jones family has a pretty high opinion of Brian Schottenheimer the offensive coordinator and I don't think anybody's interviewing him so if they were in a spot well that's another name that you'd look at I think of Anthony Lynn in Washington I know a lot of people have showered attention on Cliff Kingsbury but Anthony Lynn is in charge of Washington's run game has been a head coach has worked for Jerry Jones before. So I think there are even more candidates in the background that haven't been mentioned yet that gives Jerry a certain sense of comfort that he doesn't have to rush.
Starting point is 00:26:57 There are a group of people that he likes, respects, trusts, believes in, whether that's Kellen Moore or Robert S or dion sanders or they go on and they consider guys like brian schottenheimer anthony lindt there are a lot of guys out there that would fit the billing yes pat i think people would love to be the head coach of the house cowboys can't love to be trying to set up their thirty two thirty two head coaching jobs
Starting point is 00:27:22 one job that is the head of the circus in Dallas and That's what that is right now didn't sound like you said Ben Johnson's name his name also in the list of being the top coaching Candidate, I don't know if he's just Intrigued to go jump into the Dallas circle circus, but they'll find their guy. We assume they will we assume they'll be I don't expect I don't expect Ben Johnson to be in play in Dallas. I think Jerry has other ideas. I think Ben Johnson has other ideas
Starting point is 00:27:51 and don't think that he's a logical leading candidate there right now. Not because of his coaching, but he's getting a head coaching job. He is getting one. It's just not gonna be in Dallas. Okay, so where's he gonna get a head coaching job at anyway? Well, I know everybody's got Ben Johnson anointed to the Raiders
Starting point is 00:28:09 I'm not in that camp right now. So I believe it before I see it Jacksonville No, we're not just gonna start listing off Jacksonville. Maybe just look at the eyes Here's my question again, I don't know where he's gonna go. He's gonna have I think three realistic options But why why is everybody ignoring Chicago when it comes to Ben Johnson? Why why why has that been just dispelled? I don't get it. What am I missing here? I think we all think the Chicago Bears organization is shite So whenever we hear that Ben John not that that's we're not saying that's that's just it seems like it's a bit of a shite Show that is what it seems like so whenever we hear Ben Johnson
Starting point is 00:28:49 We think back to last year when Ben Johnson was like I'm gonna be very picky About where I go because he has options be who you can afford to be okay, so if you're gonna be very picky and again, I know that this Raiders freight train is gathered a whole lot of steam and I don't want to slow it down because by the way I want to say for the record it could happen. He could be the coach there. But I am not just convinced just yet that that's going to be the way it's going to be.
Starting point is 00:29:15 When we're talking about picking situations, if you're picking the Raiders you're telling me that Ben Johnson turned down the chance to go coach Jayden Daniels last year, turn that down so he can go to a place this year in Las Vegas without a top pick, without a quarterback that plays in a division with Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Bo Nicks, Andy Reid, Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payne. Does that make sense to you? No, it doesn't. Whenever you lay it out that way, no, it does not. I'm just wondering. Like, I'm just laying it out there like that.
Starting point is 00:29:50 Then you talk about the NFC North, though. He knows what the NFC North is. So Chicago, if we want to play that game. Now, granted, they have Caleb Williams TBD on whether or not he'll be a great NFL quarterback or just a great NFL prospect in the entirety of it all. He's already been through two offensive coordinators, sucks for him.
Starting point is 00:30:06 Ben Johnson gets in there and maybe lays it down, but the MC North, you got Kevin O'Connell, you got MC DC, and then obviously the thought of him going in and having to take on Jared Goff in the floor obviously, but having to take on the juggernaut that he helped create up there in Detroit every single year, two times. Then you start nitpicking on that decision. Then you go to Jacksonville, it's like the AFC South. having to take on the juggernaut that he helped create up there in Detroit every single year two times. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:25 Then you start nitpicking on that decision. Then you go to Jacksonville. It's like the AFC South. Yeah. The AFC South is a juggernaut too, Shepty. You know that. You know that. So he's going to have to.
Starting point is 00:30:35 My only point here, my only point here is I think there's been this overreaction in the media. What? reaction in the media to anoint Ben Johnson to Las Vegas when Jacksonville and Chicago are still in play. That's all I'm saying. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 00:30:54 We'll keep it in. We'll write that. We'll put it on a SeatKick ticker. We'll put it on a SeatKick ticker and we will remind everybody via words across the bottom of the screen, Ben Johnson in Las Vegas is not a guarantee says Adam Schefter even and by the way he still could wind up out there I'm not saying he's not and I'm just I'm not willing to anoint them the favorites right now. Ben Johnson to the Raiders is not a guarantee says Adam Schefter, parentheses could happen though. Yeah bingo. Parentheses I think that's a accurate
Starting point is 00:31:23 reporting there okay got it that's everything in the NFL world. Let's talk about the New England Patriots having to make some hires. Go ahead, Con Man. Yeah, Shafty Vrabel searching for an OC DC. Is there any liens right now? Who are they interviewing? Because I really haven't heard much out of that camp and also could you see a possible, you know, former head coach like Sala or even a Doug Peterson kind of take that role I don't see or DC because they don't want to be a head coach again well, you know Mike variables got so many connections and yeah, he does such history with so many people and He's the first guy hired. He's gonna be able to assemble a staff
Starting point is 00:32:00 But like with anybody any hiring you have to go through the process. You have to do your diligence on all these different cadets. You have to make sure that it's the right move. You're not rushing into anything. And honestly, now that they have their head coach, the next most important hire that the Patriots make will be who are they hiring to influence, mold, and shape the future of their franchise quarterback. It's a critical hire. Again, we've heard the name Josh McDaniels. I think that that name makes an awful lot of sense. It would be logical. He's in the Foxboro area, but I think Mike Vrabel
Starting point is 00:32:37 has got to hear from a lot of different people and make sure that he feels like he's doing the right thing before he goes and hires whoever he does for that head coaching job. Got it, because, you know, in our mind, we just kind of start piecing Vrabel to different people in hirings. It's like, well, he and Artie Smith did a lot of great things together down there in Tennessee.
Starting point is 00:33:00 Artie Smith actually came up through the Vrabel camp, I do believe, how he got there. Now, Artie Smith obviously still with the Pittsburgh Steelers, so how does that whole thing work out? And Artie Smith getting head coaching interviews, I do believe. Josh McDaniel is obviously a possibility because of the history, especially up there and that whole thing. Yeah, Josh McCown's been linked because of the connection with Drake May and high school he coached. Josh McCown's going to be in Minnesota next year unless he gets a head coaching job. Okay, let's stay in Minnesota.
Starting point is 00:33:26 Ty has a question for you unless he gets a coaching job. And once he gets a coaching job, is that possible or no, you think Josh McCown high up on some lists? Yeah, well, no, listen, you know, if you remember a couple of years back, he was Texans in a discussion in Houston. And then the Texans went a different direction. So, and I think Josh McCown is going to be a head coach one day. I don't know that it's gonna be this year or next year or the year after,
Starting point is 00:33:47 but I think he's gonna get a chance at some point in time. And look, if we're gonna be honest here, the interesting thing about this whole cycle right now, and I've said it to you before, I said it to you this week, I'll say it again, Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson are getting head coaching jobs. They're getting head coaching jobs. The interesting part is Oh, no, no the other four jobs. That's
Starting point is 00:34:12 What we need to pay attention to here because I don't know that we can say with any Clear-cut certainty who candidate number three is who's the third guy after Glenn and Johnson those guys are getting jobs there's two of the six who were the other four is it Robert Sala is it Brian Flores is it Josh McCown is it Joe Joe Brady like who is it Mike McCartney is it Jason Jason Wynn? Is it Dion Sitt? There's a lot of guys out there, but it's going to be a question of which organizations prefer which guy. The only two guys I feel confident right now in saying they're getting jobs are Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn. Aaron Glenn's going back to the Jets, right? That seems like the very easy selection. Aaron Glenn. Aaron Glenn's going back to the Jets, right? That seems like the very easy selection. I think Aaron Glenn is in play in New York. I think he's in play in New Orleans. I think he's
Starting point is 00:35:14 in play in Las Vegas if he wants. So there's a lot of people, there's a lot of places I think Aaron Glenn will be interested in. Shout to MC DC, his coaching tree is going to be a great one. Got to win a Super Bowl boys, let's go. No, no, no, we're worried about future jobs, brother Okay, we're worried about future jobs. Okay. Yeah, of course. That's Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson. They're locked in That's why they are so highly regarded, but let's talk about Joshua count and let's talk about Minnesota. Ty is a question for you Yeah, chef D. What's going on with KOC up there? We heard the you know reports fromzer a couple of weeks ago saying, hey, there were talks that they might trade Kevin O'Connell because he only
Starting point is 00:35:51 had one year left on his deal and they hadn't got anything done yet. And then he said he's had a great dialogue with the owners and everything. But what exactly is happening there? And why hasn't he been extended yet when you look at his body of work? Is he getting traded? Is it possible? I don't see him getting traded.
Starting point is 00:36:13 I think that the Wolf family is going to want to hold on to him. He's going to be entering the last year of his deal. I think teams that have coaches who they've identified as their future don't typically let guys go into the last year of their deal. And so I would imagine at some point in the coming days, weeks, whatever it may be, that the Wolf family and Kevin O'Connell sit down and figure out an extension. Now they didn't get one done this season. And to me, the price on Kevin O'Connell rose because of the type of year that he had and
Starting point is 00:36:42 because of the type of recognition that I think everybody showered on him. They see the kind of person he is and they see the kind of impact he's had and the culture he's created. And I think we all know how important that is for any head coach in the NFL and he's done that there in Minnesota. And I expect that he's going to be rewarded for it this off season. What's what's it going right for a high end NFL coach? Is that like 10 to 15 million a year?
Starting point is 00:37:09 Well, I mean, look, I think the salary. Big gross generalizations, but I think typical first year salaries have been about 8 million, $9 million. I think guys in the middle tier, you know, 11, 12, 13, and then the top tier, we're talking about 17, 18, 19 million dollars a year, 20 million dollars a year. So Kevin O'Connell is getting 17 to 20 million a year. Yes. Listen, he's going to get as much as he can get.
Starting point is 00:37:37 I don't know, you know, his last deal, his first deal, I think if my memory serves me correct, he's under eight. Like I'm going to guess he's around seven. So the next deal I think would get him in the, I don't know, the low teens maybe? Like the Wilfs maybe watching this and be like, what? Is he out of his mind? But you know what? If Kevin O'Connell wants to play it out.
Starting point is 00:38:04 17, 18, there's a lot of open jobs right now. You're talking Aaron Glenn, Ben Johnson, you know who number three would be? Kevin O'Connell. He'd be number one. Yeah exactly. Well here's what you have to figure. If the Wills don't step up and give him what we all would agree in an objective way as a fair offer then Kevin O'Connell could say I'm not gonna sign that and then he goes into the last year of his contract and he's a coaching free agent next year and if you're a coaching free agent do it what would Kevin O'Connell get on the open market
Starting point is 00:38:38 you're asking me I would say Kevin O'Connell would get 20 well first of all we have to see how next year goes. But if he had the kind of season next year that he did this past year, my guess is Kevin O'Connell is in the 12 to 14 million dollar year range. Okay. Pump that up. Sounds like you're trying to help out the Wolf family here publicly. And I respect that. I appreciate what you're doing here. This guy's, this guy's won 15, 14 games this season
Starting point is 00:39:02 with a quarterback getting paid 1313 million who's never had success before. One year before that he had to pasture not play quarterback. It's like that guy's the guy. And then 13 a couple of years ago. And then we see the clip of him in the locker room, chewing out his team too. It's like this guy, listen, I'm a huge Kevin O'Connor. I think he's, I think he's one of the best coaches in the league.
Starting point is 00:39:20 He's one of the best installers of culture. But again, well, I don't want to, I'm not going to make a debate on it. I'm just telling you, that's, that's my opinion. That's all I'm going to say. I think that's the open market. That's what I think you get. I'm not going to start stating why he wouldn't get the top price because I'm a huge Kevin O'Connell.
Starting point is 00:39:36 That's what I think it would be. Okay. So yeah, Chef, he's like, I'm not going to start negotiating against Kevin O'Connell here publicly. I'm just letting you know, after my 30 years of experience in this business, this is what? 35! Okay, sorry, sorry. All right, well Kevin O'Connell, go get it, bro.
Starting point is 00:39:51 Yeah, go get it. 20 mil, Kev. You deserve it, bro. That's it, go get it. Hey, get what's fair. That's all I'm saying for everybody, right? Everybody should get what's fair. All parties.
Starting point is 00:39:59 How we all win. And also, Kevin O'Connell, I think, takes a lot of pride in the fact that he's been able to do this with the Minnesota Vikings. I think he loves that organization. I think he's very appreciative. Brian Flores being the defense a defense coordinator a big deal that entire thing. He might be gone How does he fill that spot in there's a lot of question marks over there. Who's our quarterback? I mean there is a lot to figure out in Minnesota. The head coach is obviously one of them any updates right there You get an update right there. Is that a news?
Starting point is 00:40:21 Nothing and nothing of any significance right now crop news Nothing of any significance right now. Crop news. Crop news. Crop news. Jack Dalrio is coaching in Paris. Is that what you just, is that the text that you just got? I knew that one was going to send shockwaves to the NFL. I knew that.
Starting point is 00:40:35 Just a little dust up over there. Yep. Good luck against Ron Fire and Tom Sula. From what we know about- I'm talking right now? I got my Paris Musketeers jersey jersey I am ready to rocket this up Why don't you go over there gonna need your nose plugs too because those people smell so bad They need one of these not thousand of these. Yeah, Jack. Del Rio is gonna be praying to God that Dove sends a Million whole body DOs over there great beautiful culture beautiful culture beautiful city beautiful city
Starting point is 00:41:03 Beautiful got a chance to go over there obviously love it Beautiful culture, beautiful culture. Beautiful city. Beautiful city. Beautiful. Got a chance to go over there. Obviously love it. But boy, your nose really starts talking to your brain saying this place stinks because it actually does. Jack Del Rio, everything we know about him, dust up and all that. I don't know how it's going to fit. He's perfect for.
Starting point is 00:41:17 Yeah, I'm excited for him though. More football overseas. He's great for the game. Thankful that he's doing it. Good luck over there. To your point though, the Ryan Fire or a problem. Yeah, Jim Tom Sula, I believe they won back to back. What? Yeah, dog. The Chiefs over there. Yeah, they are. They do it first time since the Amsterdam Admirals with Adam Benetteri,
Starting point is 00:41:35 got three straight. I mean that's a whole story in of itself. The Euro League was sick. That was awesome. Might have been shoes back. Yeah, maybe. Especially if Jack Del Rio is going over. Sorry we're taking up all your time here. When's Jim Tom Sula getting another crack? Mostly because I think they decided he's just going overseas. Let's just keep his ass overseas. We found where he's at.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Let's come back to America. Let's go to a town that built all the other towns. Well, bingo. Steel. All of them. Steel. The home of steel. You see your building?
Starting point is 00:42:01 You're welcome. From Pittsburgh. Tone has a question for you. Yeah, Shifty, earlier this week you were on and I believe you told us the quote where Tomlin said he imagines change coming on a lot of levels. How much change we've had so far? Zero. Donuts. Now I don't want to call for anyone's job, but when are the heads gonna roll? You know what again the offseason is young let's give this some time I don't know exactly what they're gonna do, but the head coach himself said what he said I Mean, I just think he was speaking in a general term like I'm not expecting
Starting point is 00:42:47 in a general term, like I'm not expecting major, major changes. Like what do we think is going to happen? I think it's typical of any roster. In any given year, it turns over. However much it does, there are some changes on the coaching staff. Like I don't know that it's going to be any more dramatic in Pittsburgh than it is anywhere else. Like the head coach is back, the GM's back, the owner's back. We have two quarterbacks who are free agents that that's a big question mark going forward you got a running back who's a free agent who's been very good who do you want to fire everyone everyone top top to bottom time once like transfer portal NIL I need 50 new guys in here that's what tone that's what Tone wants. TJ can stay, gonna have to figure that out.
Starting point is 00:43:27 He's actually on his final year of his contract. Gonna have to figure that whole thing out. There's a couple other guys we don't mind. Trade for Josh Allen too. I don't know if Bean's gonna do that. I don't know if Bean's gonna do that, but that's where the Pittsburgh Steelers fans are. They're like, hey, something drastic has to happen.
Starting point is 00:43:41 We were told something drastic's gonna happen, and every time they wake up and nothing has happened they get more mad. That's the end of football. That's how it is. And then they're going to go in the next season believing they could potentially win a Super Bowl. Yeah, and it's going to be about five six weeks in and they're going to go, we're so fucking stupid. We thought this was going to work yet again. Yeah, that's the cycle. That is the cycle of Steelers fans and I could I can feel it for him too because Colts have won AFC South in more than 10 year 11 years now
Starting point is 00:44:10 Haven't even danced and played. I haven't even had a chance and They've paid people at every position people are going through their second contracts here in this culture and haven't won fucking anything Okay, so a lot of people are wondering what the hell is going on next year. I think is the year I think it is the year But I don't even I don't think Colts fans are even like envious of like Steelers fans Like they make it into the playoffs. They have a winning season every single year and then they get dumped So their draft picks are always shit. I don't say crop because it's still a first-rounder, but it's never really good It's not enough failure to make any changes
Starting point is 00:44:42 Wholesale changes just kind of got to put some band-aids on. But I think you guys are going to figure it out this offseason. I agree. There's a lot happening this potential offseason, including a friend of ours, Shefty. Ty, here's a question for you. Yeah, Shefty, on Wednesday we had Dan Orlovsky on the show. And in so many words, he basically said,
Starting point is 00:44:58 hey, listen, coaching is my calling. I'm ready to kind of throw my hat into the ring here and see what's going on. Have you heard his name heating up at all in terms of quarterback coach openings, offensive coordinator openings or anything like that? Because like I said, he basically said, hey, your time is up, my time is now.
Starting point is 00:45:16 I'm ready. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr That's John Cena what he just said there. Well, yeah, I think Dan's been talking to some teams and Seeing if there's something that interests him and is worthwhile for him I'll let him answer that right now Well, yes, he's got a full coaching interview on the show start breaking it all down and then after our show He said I did get a text from another team and another potential coaching candidate saying hey, am I being real? It does feel like he's being serious this time I don't know if that's because of what's going on TV business wise or if this is just another year of thinking about it It feels like I think I think I think Dan
Starting point is 00:45:55 aspires to be a head coach in time and That's what he'd like to do And so he's been talking to people to see if there's a spot that would work for him. And it's not automatic. He does a great job on TV and obviously could stay in TV and do that for the rest of his career if that's what he wanted. But I think at his core, I think he misses being a part of a football team. And if the right football team came along and spoke his language and said the right things and presented the right opportunity,
Starting point is 00:46:26 I think he'd go be a quarterbacks coach with the idea that he would try to start moving up the coaching ladder in time. I think he's 41. I think he'd like to be a head coach here like a lot of people in the coming years. At some point in time, he'd like to start moving up that career. So again, we'll see how he handles it his life whether he wants to do TV or coaching but Phil it sounds like it sounds like he's going to have opportunities to join football teams if that's what he wants.
Starting point is 00:46:55 Oh, what is it? Is that Dan Rolofsky saying keep my name out of your mouth? Definitely. Is that what that was? Don't you talk about me and my family. Is he not on the NFL live team? Yeah, that's right. When he said he wants to be a part of a team the other day, I'm like, I'm so lucky that we have this, you know, where we do feel like we're part of a team. There is some, what is that? Is that Dan Roelofsky or is that a team saying, is Dan Roelofsky being for real? We want to make him our OC. No.
Starting point is 00:47:20 No. But. But it's real. You're still looking. It's certainly something. What was it? What was it? Tweet it then say it yeah, you could tweet it to your whole fucking song and dance Thanks Pat Read your Twitter. You know we'll do the whole thing. We'll do the whole thing. You know no tweets coming no incoming tweets Huh, what was that that seemed like you're pretty joyful joyful though Somebody sends you a picture or something like that. I'm happy Just something oh
Starting point is 00:47:53 It's something just something season, it's just something season was that related to work right there No Not not NFL. Oh College ball Dion Sanders said what that is high school football No, not NFL. Oh. Not NFL. College ball, Deion Sanders. Is that what that is? High school football. You know, Dan might not be the only one
Starting point is 00:48:10 who has people talking to you about joining a team. I'm just telling you. Oh, okay, you're gonna do the Wode? You're gonna do the Wode? You're gonna go be a general manager of a college football team? What a move that would be by you, just wheeling and dealing.
Starting point is 00:48:21 And let me tell you this. If there's any college teams that are offering you any position in the football world, before you sign anything to anybody, we at West Virginia would like to chat with you. We would like to potentially get your resources into Morgantown if you're gonna go anywhere.
Starting point is 00:48:36 Your family would love living on Sheet Lake. It's the best. Oh my God, it would be fantastic. Nonetheless, last thing here, and we know we're taking up a lot of your Fridays, so we appreciate you joining us. So Bloomberg Roger Goodell did Bloomberg article and there's a lot of things that came out of it pro football talks Mike Floria was talking about the 18 game season being a logical next step
Starting point is 00:48:56 Obviously, this is not the first time that Roger Goodell has chatted about this if you could take a minute 15 with us here Schefter to hear the conversation that I had with Raj at the NFL Draft and then give us your thoughts afterwards we'd be very grateful. Run it Foxy. Now the NFLPA is always going to fight against having more games is there a plan to continue to expand because 17 games feels good now like at the beginning I think a lot of players and I don't want to talk for in the locker and there's probably a lot of offense alignment and things like that are telling me to shut the hell up but as as fans it's like 17 games has just become like status quo is there a lot of offense alignment and things like that are telling me to shut the hell up. But as fans, it's like 17 games has just become like status quo. Is there a thought of adding another one, maybe adding another bye week so we can
Starting point is 00:49:32 get more exposure, more TV deals or are we good at 17 right now? Well, I think we're good at 17 now, but listen, we're looking at how we continue. I'm not a fan of the preseason. I don't think we need... Waste of time, right? And energy. I don't buy it. And I don't think these guys like it either No, they're actually discounted now But the reality is you know I think I'd rather replace a preseason game with a regular season any day That's just picking quality, right?
Starting point is 00:50:05 So if we got to 18 and 2, that's not an unreasonable thing. The other thing it does, which I thought you were going to, is that ends up on President's Day weekend, which is a three day weekend, which makes a Sunday night and then you have Monday off. So that's- Wow. Now we're cooking. See, now you're going to-. Okay so he said he already has visions
Starting point is 00:50:28 of what the schedule would look like. We'd have Monday off after the Super Bowl which everybody has been yearning for for a long long time. He said I don't like preseason game okay it's more opportunity for injuries nobody really doesn't matter. So shortening the preseason game seems like it's been on Gadel's mind for a while. Adding the 17th game, as soon as it happens, we all said, well, we're going to get to 18 then. He said in a Bloomberg article, now it's being reported about yet again. What have you heard from around the league and what do you think the chances are moving and when would that be? Next CBA? Well, in all honesty, did he say anything that we didn't know?
Starting point is 00:51:01 Like, again, I'm going to tell you right, it's going to happen. Exactly what he said. Like, everybody knows this is coming. We're gonna get 18 games, we're gonna get the Sunday night Super Bowl before President's Day, everybody takes off President's Day, it becomes the national holiday that it is, the shortened pre, like, I mean, this is stuff that everybody's talked about.
Starting point is 00:51:20 The only question is, when does it begin? Right, like, is that in two years is right before the end of the CBA is it right at the start of the new CBA I don't know but 18 game schedule seasons coming the prolonged seasons coming more international games come like all these pet there's nothing here that's surprising at all right and what am I missing well I mean actually confirming it it would be a it's all been like kind of ingest hypothetical. If they're NFL, the NFL are those greedy corporate fat cats. And if you add an extra buy week, now you got two more weeks of prime time games to be able to sell to networks and the amount of money that that'll do and bring in for the salary cap is how they
Starting point is 00:52:00 sell it to the players and everybody else would be gigantic. So I can see it certainly taking place. Sold not selling sold sold. It's coming. Okay. I don't know how players feel about it. How about the NFL PA is firing or laying off 150 employees. How many fucking employees they got over there. Too many.
Starting point is 00:52:19 Who's taking all the damn money at the NFL PA. I've never been an NFL PA supporter. Okay. Never in my life. I thought they've been like, I'm not gonna say crooks, but like, dull. I think the way they've gone about doing things has been very dumb. I mean, you just go back to whenever they tried to negotiate the deal and Jeff Saturday had to step in and be like, let's get a deal done. Not that Jeff Saturday isn't a great man or business man, but it's like the NFLPA, I think, has always handled things in a dumb way. Tough position to be in, hard to represent
Starting point is 00:52:48 everybody. Them firing 150 people it's like what did they all do and then also shout out to this NFLPA maybe. Yeah. Trying to instead rob the players trying to actually make the players more money more opportunity. I think we're in a good spot. I think there's I think NFLPA and hopefully Kamish are gonna be able to come together and make This entire better for players and also for the league as a whole quick one there. You just talked about international games Connor has one for you. Yeah chef team Madrid this year Does that mean Ireland's probably coming in 2026 next season or is there a chance that they also do Ireland for the first time and
Starting point is 00:53:19 Spain for the first time this year. I Don't know when Ireland's coming, but it's coming. I don't know whether it's 25 or 26 but it's coming. It's just been enough. I think it might be next season and they still have some more international announcements to make. They do it in layers and in a progression and so Ireland still may be coming. The Dolphins will play the first ever regular season game in Madrid. We got Berlin. The Colts playing the first regular season game in Madrid. We got Berlin, the Colts playing the first regular season game in Berlin. The first regular season game in Ireland is coming. I don't know the exact timing, but it's coming.
Starting point is 00:53:52 And we've even heard that it'll be the Steelers and Packers, which I totally believe. That's totally plausible. It's coming. I'm not sure the exact year. I'm not saying that Madrid doesn't deserve it, okay? Cuz I'm sure that they are Massive NFL fans when we were with the zone that was a big hotbed for the NFL licensing rights over there in Spain Ireland would be bananas over there. Oh, yeah, they love ball and there's more Irish guys coming into the NFL
Starting point is 00:54:17 I think through punting and kicking it's only gonna continue to grow over there. We're excited for that We're excited for the future and we're appreciative of you stopping by on this Feel Good Friday, Shefty. Gentlemen, appreciate you all. Have a great weekend. Enjoy the divisional playoff round. Four great games. Looking forward to watching the games in the cold. It'll be fun. Anybody, any news potentially breaking today? Anything? Zay Flowers didn't practice today. That's not a great sign for his availability on Sunday night against the Buffalo Bills, okay and Jeremy Fowler just reported Joe Tooney starting at left tackle for the Chief so they're sticking with him at left tackle. That's interesting Right where we are right now any news coming
Starting point is 00:55:00 There's always news coming Pat any good news coming though. Yeah, I talk like talkable news worthy a couple hours left here. I Can't predict the future. I'm not Notre Dame. I don't know. Oh Yeah, why don't you call this? Why don't you do that? He freaks me out still? Yeah, he's had a Forbes article done about it Oh, it's cool. Oh, this is getting pushed. Yep, as he should That guy always shows up. He does always blows minds. You see his rates Ten million I heard he made off Forbes is what it told me alleged He tried to tell me what his rate was whenever we try to get him at the draft and that was a full-on Okay, we're not doing that
Starting point is 00:55:35 That is not how this is gonna go, you know, we got to work this thing out He did go business with me, which I appreciate his people did go business with me But like if you're looking for somebody to blow the mind of anything, I mean, that's an easy, whatever he's charging. If you, if you got it a hundred percent worth it for this demon to come into town and just ruin, I will say this of all the times I've been with him, of all the times I've traveled around with him, he's never not blown my mind.
Starting point is 00:56:01 Did I tell you, did I tell you what happened with my father-in-law? When we came back last year, did I tell you that story? I don't know if I did or I guess. You got 30 seconds if you want to retell it though. So basically you're coming back, he comes, we come back from Pittsburgh together, he just performed for the bills, he comes to my house, my father-in-law, 85 years old, he's, what do you do? I'm mental, he's okay. He goes, ah, do a trick on me. He goes, okay, where did you grow up? The Bronx. Okay, I'm going to tell you the name of your neighbor. He goes, okay, where'd you grow up? The Bronx. Okay, I'm going to tell you the name of your neighbor. He goes, how do you know the name of my neighbor? He goes, does it have a B in it? Yeah. And he guesses the name of his neighbor and the apartment number
Starting point is 00:56:32 of my father-in-law. My father-in-law was like totally fine. Like how, how could that be? I don't know. He's done some stuff to us too, where it's like, he walked up to me one through a hundred thinking in your head right now and then bang, bang, bang. Boom. Got it. Nailed it. Goes up to Darius J. Butler, scroll your head right now and then bang, bang, bang, boom. Got it. Nailed it. Goes up to Darius J. Butler, scrolls through his phone through Darius Butler, picks a name in there.
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Starting point is 00:57:43 It's wonderful, we're lucky to talk about it. The divisional round of the NFL kicks off tomorrow and then the national championship for college ball is on Monday. We're incredibly pumped and lucky to be a part in chit chat about all of it. To talk to the tables here at Boston, Connor wearing a 7X and at Ty Schmidt. You look great, Connor. Watch you get up during a break and take a walk. It is like you have a dress on.
Starting point is 00:58:02 I think it was the first time that I've seen the, just of what are those things poncho? Yeah, sure. It looks like you're kind of wearing a poncho without big that jersey Yeah, we're talking about before the show. I mean, I'm gonna be sure cocking this thing on game day for the rest of my life Without a doubt. I'm very excited about this thing. It's a prize possession of mine I would compare it to the pasta Jersey and yeah, there's a chance I bring a couple booms in this thing going forward. Hey, they put out their best one yet Yes, they did. I'm a little bit worried Don't don't you can say don't know you say it cuz you're wrong. I'm not gonna say what you think I'm gonna say Okay, thank God what I'm gonna say is you know, it was little Costco's birthday the other day. No, what really?
Starting point is 00:58:39 Yeah, I scrolled through it. Well, they had like a hundred people Including like mr. Beast and a bunch of other people mm-hmm video a happy birthday little cost We were not asked I feel like they think we're potentially not as it we're judging them properly But they were when you bury Texas Roadhouse obviously we're gonna have some opinions have to but whenever we're bringing no Yeah, that's just what we do! Yeah, the new one, I mean this might be the best one yet. Gotta make it through about 35 to 40 seconds to really get into the Okay, I see what they're doing there. But I respect any professional wrestler That's got a gimmick, got a family bought in and then the entire world behind them
Starting point is 00:59:21 I think I saw like two and a half three million views on their most recent heavy metal. No big deal. We're talking pop, rap, now metal. Bring in the boom to you. To you. That's just what we do. We're bringing the boom to you. There it is look at it. I mean it was it's the best way and I don't know the AMH that band. Yeah, I didn't know the band much good. They got talent. Yeah, they are very legit They cover songs as well. They are awesome. So you would think at the beginning of that. I was a little bummed out about the band I'm like, ah, this is some band trying to jock Trying to get a little rub sure from the boom boys here from the boom Costco boys And then you get about a minute in you're like all band
Starting point is 01:00:08 Really good legit in the singer has a great. Yes like he's like a jack black. You almost exactly a jack black bitch It's like AMH got a fan out of me from Be funny enough they actually do cover a pick of Destiny song, P.O.D. Jack Black, and it's, like you said, I think Jack Black's actually in the song with them. It was a little collab, like he came and did it with them as well. It makes sense. They are very good. As I was listening to it, I'm like, damn, real talent. I have no idea these people existed, but that's just what they do! We're bringing the boom to you!
Starting point is 01:00:44 That's a banger. And Rizzler kills his verse. One half of the hammer. Die! Cowboys AP Tone is here. Tone, what are the lines on the weekend? Pretty big, eight, nine, six and a half and one. Have any of those moved or are they all about big?
Starting point is 01:00:58 They've all pretty much stayed the same from yesterday. The Eagles line has moved a bit up to six and a half. That one was five and a half earlier in the week. That's the only one that's really moved a ton. Yeah, the big lines on Saturday, a little bit smaller on Sunday, but for a divisional weekend, yeah, those are quite large.
Starting point is 01:01:15 Eight and a half, nine and a half, especially if you think about the weather in Kansas City, you think that game might be tight, but then also you could see Patrick Mahomes doing this one in this weekend. There's some stats coming out about Patrick Mahomes in Divisional Round. Boy. This dude.
Starting point is 01:01:29 Yeah. Gets a break, gets a chance to recalibrate. This is his Divisional Round operation resume. 6-0 and in 13 touchdowns, zero interceptions. It's like Patrick Mahomes is obviously a superstar. And you know, they say big time players make big time plays in big time games. Batchamahomes has done that.
Starting point is 01:01:51 The division around has been a cakewalk for this guy. He's been able to figure teams out. Now, last year they didn't have home field advantage. So they had to go on the road. They had to play in the division around. A lot of the times are in the wild card run. A lot of times they don't have to. So they have two weeks.
Starting point is 01:02:04 Andy Reed's record with two weeks preparation and a week coming off a bye week also very very good which is why they're so damn dangerous in the playoffs and also you know this is the worst team that they've had I think it's the worst season it no one seed best record in the entire big fell winning games however they do it the Chiefs is still the Chiefs eight and a half nine and a half six and a half Those are big numbers across the board sportsbooks. Don't think this can be very close joining us now There's a man has been seeing the board pretty well
Starting point is 01:02:32 He's a college football national champion a Super Bowl champion a Ryder Cup winner a man who has a tree on the campus of the Ohio State University because he was an all-american and he's all high ladies and gentlemen AJ Haw because he was an All-American and he's all Ohio. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawke. Yeah, Hawke. Hawke, eight and a half, nine and a half, six and a half. Those are big spreads for divisional weekend where there's only eight teams left, brother. Yeah, this does feel like a bunch of points.
Starting point is 01:02:55 As you pop that graphic up, I'm trying to figure out exactly what my final picks will be when we do make the picks for this weekend. But yeah, like when you show Patrick Mahomes' record though in the divisional round, that's a bit daunting, I think, if you're an opponent. But hey, Texans are up for this weekend. But yeah, like when you show Patrick Mahomes his record though, in the divisional round, that's a bit daunting, I think, if you're an opponent, but hey, Texans are up for the task. Let's see if they can figure it out. But man, this dude is good.
Starting point is 01:03:12 Yeah. And I mean, that's not even the biggest spread of the weekend. You know, you got the nine and a half obviously coming second game of Saturday. And that's Detroit Lions favorite at home against this Washington commanders team who we all just assume that the commander's fans would be a okay if they lose this game like We're way ahead of schedule. We got brand new ownership. We got a new stadium coming We got a rookie quarterback obviously scary Terry's still here, but whole new operation the fact that we even won a wild card game All right. We're happy going into the offseason. We can build on this. We know what our culture is
Starting point is 01:03:40 We know what our team is inside that locker room. They're not saying that. Inside the Washington commander's locker room, they're saying, hey, this could be our year. We have no idea if this is ever going to show up again. We have no clue if we're going to be in division or not. You got to take advantage of every opportunity. All the OGs that are in that building are trying to let the young bucks know, like Jayden Dano's like, hey,
Starting point is 01:03:58 this is not an every year thing. This is very difficult to get to this situation. There's only eight teams left in the entire NFL. 25% of the team still playing, 75% planning their trips to Cancun. Gotta take advantage of this. So the fans I think would be okay if the commanders lose this game and it's like, well we had a good year, we got something started. In the locker room they're not saying that. Nine and a half points is a lot of points for a playoff game no matter who they're playing or where
Starting point is 01:04:22 they're playing them. But this Detroit Lions team has not played with their food. No. The Detroit Lions have pummeled people and they've been happy about it too like the standard's the standard this is how we play if you don't want to score and dance and don't let us score or dance then like that is how the Detroit Lions are even though a tough physical team. 100%. They've been beating the shit out of teams all year long. 100% I think they'll beat the shit out of teams all year long hundred percent I think they'll beat the shit out of them tomorrow if they do what Lambo said they got to control the tempo Groundin pound football run the ball control the clock and then you cannot let Jayden Daniels run wild and us having that bi-week
Starting point is 01:04:57 I think was Absolutely huge because our bi-week in the regular season was like week five or week six So those guys needed to get healthy Although we do not have Zeitler at guard. That's gonna be a killer Okay, that is a big deal especially without dominant the offensive line and been in how important that offensive line is especially middle of the pocket For Jared Goff because you know his I don't want to say old what people use calm Jared goof Oh, yeah, and whenever there was pressure up there. We didn't say that we were just observing report That's what they're saying That's what people were saying if that pressure is up the middle start getting a little happy feet I'm Jerick Goof. Whenever there was pressure up there, we didn't say that, we were just observing, reporting.
Starting point is 01:05:25 That's what they were saying. That's what people were saying. If that pressure's up the middle, start getting a little happy feet, all of a sudden now, the offense isn't a fine-tuned machine like it has been all year. Couldn't agree more, and we have a rookie filling in that space.
Starting point is 01:05:37 They love this rookie, Christian Mahogany out of Boston College. Mahogany Wood. He actually scored a touchdown in college. He did a keg stand celebration. MCDC saw that shit. I'll tell you what, man. Offensive. It is a keg stand celebration I'll tell you what man Offense alignment doing a keg stand how many of that is Quentin Nelson did that right? Penne soul probably do that give me that guy. We don't know if he can play duck He can he can man. We know he can have you ever done a keg stand by the way
Starting point is 01:06:00 Not not easy because you're you gotta have pretty good shoulders, hold yourself up. Also you're pretty capacitated, so you know you're gonna be a little bit off. You gotta have good teammates too though. You know, who's holding and got your legs. That's a Keg stand actually pretty important to showcase the team around you.
Starting point is 01:06:18 And how much do they like this big guy? Well he's gigantic and the boy said, let me go ahead and get it. Let me go ahead and get you. That was a quick little four or five seconder obviously not gonna turn any heads at a party But certainly gonna let people know you're down for a good time And I respect and appreciate that age I assume when you went up for keg stands back in the day The boys got a little bit riled up
Starting point is 01:06:37 Yeah, you know, you always need to you need to have good teammates when it comes to that You can't have some hundred and twenty five pound dude On each leg saying don't worry bud I got you because you know you're gonna be, you wanna get up there a while, you want to put on a decent performance I guess if you're gonna do it. You know I think I was pretty naive to the whole thing.
Starting point is 01:06:51 I just assumed that if you guys, if you're hosting a keg party you wanted people to do keg stands. Yeah. Do you remember when people used to like stand in front of their kegs and be like no, we're not doing keg stands here. You know just house only is I'll do keg stands.
Starting point is 01:07:04 It's like all right why don want you get out of the way Let me like put on a show for the people. Come on. Come on. I'm gonna stand upside down for like 30 seconds here It's gonna be good for everybody. You won't put your mouth all over our What's that thing called the pump tap You remember when mit Yeah beer yeah Oh my god. Yeah, I got it. I do this all the time with my buddies. And we're like, we believe it. We believe it. What it turns out was it wasn't Mitt, it was the buddies that were doing it. Yeah. And not everybody's a good tapper either. Like there is a skill. There's a skill. Yeah, there's a confidence. You got to go cuz if you half-ass at all that things Yeah, you gotta go full speed. Yeah, you gotta go all in on that thing. So you got a keg standard guard
Starting point is 01:07:50 I think they're gonna be okay. Yeah, a Q said he's good. He just no Kevin Zeitler. That was his breakdown Oh, yeah, but a Q said Philadelphia Eagles are number one offensive line in the playoffs left And then he said butter the 16 out of eight teams left. It's like well well how much does the offensive line matter then? AQ it's kind of going against everything we've been pitching on I got mad about it. Your entire thing here buddy has been the offensive line wins but he just clearly hates the quarterback yeah and Kellen Moore who might be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys I don't know if you heard Adam Schefter talk about Paul McCartney's brother Mike could potentially have a gig somewhere else after leaving the Dallas Cowboys
Starting point is 01:08:27 But that Cowboys job will be talking to Pac-Man here in about 19 minutes or so. He is very close with coach prime So I'm excited to hear what he thinks I'm not saying he's talked to him yet But I am excited to hear how he thinks it's all gonna play out down there Kellen Moore potentially going down there Salah getting interviewed Leslie Frazier I heard the name Anthony Lynn which I don't think anybody would have expected to get a head coaching job this soon, but he has obviously had one time at it, wasn't great, got a chance to continue to coach, great running back back in the day.
Starting point is 01:08:55 Everybody loves him, the whole thing, maybe he gets another opportunity. How do you see this Dallas Cowboys situation kind of shaping up for Jerry Jones, old lamb man? I think it's the most interesting gig to take out of all of them because I want to know if these guys going in, like are they asking Jerry and the whole crew, whoever's doing the interviews, are they asking questions? Like, okay, maybe it hasn't worked as of the last 15, 20 years. Like you guys haven't gotten over the hump and gotten another Super Bowl.
Starting point is 01:09:19 Like how, I guess you got to ask what the structure is like, how much power you're going to have and and how much like what does Jerry want? Does Jerry one old grizzled vet in there that maybe he can't Persuade as much or does he want a younger person that he can kind of control and and let him know like hey I'm still the boss. I still make the final decision on things like I bet that's got to be big questions with these coaches Yeah, so like telling more potentially not asking those questions, you know He's one of the reasons why maybe that would be the desired hire for the Dallas Cowboys. You know, anytime you go into a family business, you gotta do your research, start asking questions. Who's gonna have say in
Starting point is 01:09:51 this particular, who is gonna have say in this particular, what has this person done other than be in your family? You know, in that whole, you gotta have those questions to get those answers if you're gonna be an outsider going into a family business, because if you're somebody that wants to see something go a certain way in the family, whether it's one member, even if it's not the most important member, they're going to have more together than you could ever catch up to having. Like that's just a matter of fact. You're never going to be able to become a full-time member of the Jones family.
Starting point is 01:10:22 Jason Garrett was close. Very close. Which is why it took so long for him to get fired. Allegedly was a report outside. But if you listen to Jerry in his one and done monologue that he did in Landman, and Lombardi pointed this out, Lombardi's like, you listen to that? And the reason why he was able to cry
Starting point is 01:10:37 is because he was talking literally from his personal experience. It's like, that's a family run business. That is how that is. And if you're coming in there, you're coming into their world, you're coming into their house to kind of operate. So, Kellen Moore, first opportunity, super young.
Starting point is 01:10:51 He's already been down there. He's liked by the Jones family. He's liked by Dak. He also might not be like, uh-uh, I don't want to do it the same old Jones way. I don't think he's going to say that. Prime now, Prime's already run a successful operation, a program, already built some things.
Starting point is 01:11:04 He is friends with the Jones family. We all assume, he's very familiar with the Dallas Cowboys operation, like will he come in and be like, hey, Mr. Jones, we can't be doing this the same way that we've been doing this and yet, like, is that something that they're okay with? Jason Whitten, same exact thing. Bob Sulla just left the family business, okay, and the New York Jets just got fired from a family business in New York Jets, and he potentially, I mean, we learned about the Brick Johnson stuff after Sala was gone. But what all happened with Coach Sala in that entire situation? Does he want to sign up? I'm
Starting point is 01:11:34 not saying Jerry Jones Jr., Triple J or Steven Jones or Brick Johnson at this point. And I'm not saying Brick Johnson can't go on to be a great owner at some point. He's 17 years old. He doesn't know shit about anything at this stage of life even though he's been around football You know since his dad has owned a team but it's like sala Understands what it's like to go into a family business. Is that going to carry into his decision making and I don't know. It's tough. It's tough to just say any job's a great job Which is kind of what schafter has alluded to a couple times. Yes. There's only 32 of these We've already seen ben johnson say, uh, yeah, i'm not going times. Yes, there's only 32 of these. We've already seen Ben Johnson say
Starting point is 01:12:05 Ah, yeah, I'm not gonna go anywhere and there's a chance Ben Johnson still Decides to come back to Detroit knowing that there's gonna be a head coaching opportunity for him inevitably whenever he wants it Yeah I've had a theory that he watches MC DC lead these men every single day and he says I can't do that I'm a great OC Well, I want him to stay in Detroit forever. I want to score a million touchdowns forever. Oh, so you want Lions fans, you want him to hear Lions fans
Starting point is 01:12:30 burying him thinking that he ain't got it? Geez, that's just like Devont. They couldn't do it out here. Is that what you're trying to, geez. I just want to score points. And I love Ben Johnson. He can do that. Yeah, and Aaron Glenn, he said he's going to get a job too.
Starting point is 01:12:42 It's like, what if Aaron Glenn? Same exact thing. He's like, defensive head coaches, got to go to the right spot. You don't go to the right spot. You're kind of kicked out to the curb. Maybe Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson both say, I'd rather stick around here,
Starting point is 01:12:54 continue to build what we're building, and Sheila Ford-Hamp maybe kicks him in with a little bit more money to kind of build that thing up. Cliff Kingsbury over there in Washington, been a head coach before, obviously doing this with the offense. Does he want to jump back into the saddle of being a head coach and deal with bullshit or does he potentially want to continue to kind of build what they're doing in Washington
Starting point is 01:13:11 for the first time in a long time? And maybe he has Josh Harris, Magic Johnson, all the ownership over there saying, hey, you give me an extra million bucks. This is an easy decision for me to make and also an easy decision for me to explain to friends and family that might not be thrilled that I'm Turning down these jobs. I think in 2025 there's a lot more of that potential opportunity than it had been in the past But who knows we shall see how it all plays out Well, I think you made the important distinction to Shetty too when he was saying like hey the Cowboys job is still varying very Alluring because it's one of 32 but you basically said like I don't know if anyone who hasn't either been a part
Starting point is 01:13:46 of the star or have a previous relationship with Jerry Jones is gonna take that job. And then he mentioned like four guys, but four of those guys with the exception of Sala had either worked with Jerry in the past or like kind of knew what they were getting into. Like you said it, I don't think there's any way that Sala is gonna go down there
Starting point is 01:14:04 and get into the same situation. Dion seems like maybe the only guy who would be able to push back on Jerry a little bit and kind of, you know, make it his own a little bit. But then you also look at all these other guys like 50 percent of their salary cap is going to be tied up in three players. So it's like if you're a new coach coming in, how alluring is where it's like I Really? I'm not even gonna be able to and again Who knows how much roster control any of these guys are gonna have but you're not really gonna be able to get your fingerprints on that roster that much because they're paying three guys so much money and and they're gonna be there for probably the You know full extent of when you're the head coach, okay So let's talk about teams that are left as opposed to teams
Starting point is 01:14:44 They're trying to figure out what next season looks like. Houston Texans obviously have to travel to play the back-to-back Super Bowl champs looking to do something that no team in the modern era has done when three straight Super Bowls. It's obviously going to be cold as hell. Here's D'Amico Ryan's chit-chatting about the weather. The weather can be a challenge if you allow it to be a challenge. For me and for our guys, it's something we can't control. We don't control the weather. Wherever we have to play, we're ready to go play.
Starting point is 01:15:14 We understand we'll be on the road, it's going to be cold. That's what we have to deal with. It's not a challenge for us, it's just something the other team has to deal with as well. So we're ready to go, there's no excuses about weather, we gotta go suit up and we gotta go play ball. I love that message, obviously, who controls the weather? Great question by you in the middle of it, AJ. The reason why I said I can't take it is,
Starting point is 01:15:38 I'm done with people breathing into their fucking phones whenever they're doing this entire thing. I understand we gotta get these videos up quickly, and doing it with your cell phone is the easiest way to do as such. Let's just have a little bit of cognizance of the fact that it is heard while you're recording in the entire. I'm not saying Aaron did that. It could have been somebody sitting next to him. Sure. But let's just keep our awareness levels up whenever we're doing it. It's just like when Mickey was with that gum. You know, it gets a little frustrating.
Starting point is 01:16:09 It's starting to happen in the modern era of media a lot more because it's much quicker just to do it on the phone. But these phones, microphones are good. These phones, microphones are good. So if you got a little congestion or a little wheezy or whistling from the nose, we can hear it. And some of us, what's it called? What's the thing called?
Starting point is 01:16:29 The... Phobia? What's that? Misophonia. Misophonia, there it is. Four different... I have misophonia and I never knew it was an actual thing. I just remember hating that my dad couldn't chew
Starting point is 01:16:42 with his fucking mouth closed my entire life. More so more than anybody else for some reason I couldn't thank you. I just could I just I can't I can't do this I can't and that's called miss phony. I guess we're not telling the breathing whistling into things Also another one of those little things. So I appreciate Aaron Wilson. I don't think it was him I assume of somebody next to him, but let's just be aware of these or get directional mics. Yeah, or just Extend that thing a little. Or just use hands as funnel opposite direction, or hold your breath.
Starting point is 01:17:13 There you go. Just don't breathe. Pass out if you have to. Yeah, practice that. We need the clip. But in that clip, D'Amico Ryan's, what he said is what you would hope every single coach would say, right? This is not on us. It's a mindset It's a mentality. It is a mentality and a mindset till it's not though H and that is I think they're cut from a different jib than let's say the
Starting point is 01:17:35 Miami Dolphins, okay I assume that the Houston Texans are a little bit different in the way they are constructed and the humans But if you don't get going early if it's a bad start early and the Chiefs are rolling I do think the cold is a nice tag team partner and making people quit and tap out a little bit earlier than maybe they would in the past so I think starting hot no pun intended here starting hot is a big deal for a team whenever they're traveling into the cold ass weather AJ. Yeah and you look at the bottom there of that Texans Chiefs game 11 to 13
Starting point is 01:18:06 mile an hour wins. Now that's not terrible, but that's something. That's absolutely something. If it gets and starts gusting a little bit through that place, if you get down early, then you got to make plays, especially if you got to make big chunk plays and explosive gains over the top. Say you're down two scores in the second half or something. That's when I think this cold definitely matters and you watch it.
Starting point is 01:18:25 Like I've talked to guys, I was lucky enough to play in Lambeau field for nine years. I talked to guys in the opposing teams after the game sometimes like man, once we were out of like the third quarter, we got down two or three scores. We might as well pack up the bus and get out of here because they want to go. If you want to leave when it's that cold, people don't really understand it. But it's true. And for whatever reason, if you get ahead in those games
Starting point is 01:18:46 You see the other team you can smell that these guys might quit here and shortly if we just go and get another score get Another big stop I think it's huge But if you sit there and you talk about it all the time like you can't sit there and talk about the weather all week Long like have a plan on what you're gonna wear what cleats you're gonna wear how you're gonna try to stay warm when you're Not on the field and then just go play. Yeah, and you talk about the 11-13 mile an hour in the cold weather and stuff like that, having to make chunk plays.
Starting point is 01:19:10 Special teams, it affects it, so special teams, it'll certainly affect it. I assume in those cold games, we'll see a lot more returns because the ball will be landing in the landing zone as opposed to being able to blast it out of the end zone, which could obviously be a big part of some of these games. Punting, not easy whenever it's breezy let alone cold You know cold is obviously difficult because cold weather, you know Makes the outside shell of the ball harder, right? It's naturally cold It's one eating it but the the air bladder inside of a ball
Starting point is 01:19:38 Which is what you're pumping up is still you know the way it is So to kick a ball in the cold you have to crack through this a little bit more it's inevitably going to slow down the leg speed it's going to slow down the explosion off of your foot whenever you wrap it. So cold certainly can knock down the distance of kicks but it also with the breeze it can change everything in the punt game. Now Matt Ariza, punter for the Chiefs, his ball does not travel much from hand to foot. I mean, it is about a foot, I would say. He drops it.
Starting point is 01:20:12 He murders the ball. He booms that thing. He's so good every time. I don't know how he does it with his. He drops it pretty low, and then he just, it's like a, it's just like a quick, and he's quick, gone. He's almost like, he's from San Diego, and he's gone. He's almost like, he's from San Diego, I understand, that California warm climate and everything like that.
Starting point is 01:20:30 But I feel like he was actually built to be a cold weather, windy punter, because he hits a tight ball too. So if you hit a tight ball, that thing's obviously gonna go. But this punting thing with the wind and the cold, not only is the ball against you, but the wind being against you, there's a chance we get some shanks. I don't love that at all you think i don't love that one bit you think tommy tans would be okay too i might actually be a good punting gamer should be a good battle tommy hit
Starting point is 01:20:52 one off the inside of his foot last week i think which is very rare for tommy very very rare for him he hits moon shots that guy so is a riser and then you go over to philadelphia you know they got some opportunities in that snow to Special teams wise you can take advantage of that snow, you know with the way the kicks are gonna go maybe lower You know Maybe slick so scared to commit to a kickoff a little bit more or a punt a little bit more fuel goal a little Bit more obviously Jake Elliott's used to and everything like that But there is a chance this weather affects the third phase which is special teams as well all throughout the weekend
Starting point is 01:21:24 Yeah, Sean McVeigh stats also coming out about the Eagles game where if he is on a short week in their underdogs of five or more points, he's like undefeated. So as far as irrelevant stats go, that's kind of the one in this game when it comes to Rams Eagles. 11 and 0 overall. Now, do we fact check the Rams bros here? From SBers that's SB nation I assume yeah probably so we assume that's
Starting point is 01:21:50 real SB breakers is very good okay so I know I'm not a big fact checker okay you just brought the fact up though so yeah well hashtag stats at hashtag stat that of course but I think like this is can you keep me at this place keep me at this place us to bro Who is it SP breakers that's quick This guy Think it was yeah, same guy called me twice yesterday in the middle of the show. And then called me afterwards. SB Breakers? It's not SB Breakers.
Starting point is 01:22:28 If I was to say who that was, people would be like, let's not name drop the most powerful, wealthiest person that you could ever. Donald Trump? Holy. No, it's Joe Biden. No, no, this is not a president or future president. Elon? This is not Elon, although.
Starting point is 01:22:49 Hold on, let's keep guessing. Let's get back to this. Let's get back to those two are besties now, I think from what I learned yesterday. All the- Zuck? Feels like all the, they're all, there's a lot of people saying that's a bad thing.
Starting point is 01:23:04 It's like okay yeah let's get the people that are you know figured everything out and want to do shit no they're doing it just for self-gain it's like maybe for what okay maybe maybe they will be doing or maybe they have brains big ones and maybe they all want to be like let's figure out how to make everything better from all parties to these are from All different parties seemingly wanting to do stuff. I don't want to get into that world because I don't know it enough But I do appreciate whenever people are like so let me get it straight all the successful smart people are coming together to do stuff
Starting point is 01:23:39 That's bad news. Give me the people that have done nothing but politics. Okay. All right I don't I don't understand the brains over there, but let's get back to sports shall we the weekends gonna be awesome That's bad news. Give me the people that have done nothing but politics. Okay. All right. I don't I don't understand the brains over there, but let's get back to sports. Shall we? The weekend is going to be awesome. Then Monday night age national championship, Notre Dame versus Ohio State. The Buckeyes take on the Fighting Irish. Two old school traditional powerhouses battle in Atlanta and Mercedes Benz Stadium.
Starting point is 01:24:04 Whenever you think about this game, just a few days out as an Ohio State I think we got a video thing right as an Ohio State Buckeye legend and Ohio State Hero and former president of Ohio. How do you feel going in? We're talking about this earlier We've kind of swayed a little bit. It's an eight-point spread obviously, so that's a big one They're eight and a half I guess it has gone up to that seems like the sportsbook think that Ohio State is Too powerful too strong too quick too talented, but too much of everything But I feel like me personally and everybody else thought that every team the Notre Dame is played is gonna be too powerful too quick
Starting point is 01:24:39 Too athletic to everything and they've just shown up the shit coming out from behind the scenes of the Notre Dame team, awesome. Everything you want in a team is seemingly in that Notre Dame locker room and culture that Marcus Freeman is leading. And then I read the Jack Sawyer players' Tribune. I hope you got a chance to read that as well. Everything coming out of that building is everything that you would want in a team, in a culture, in a locker room. How do you see it faring out now that we're on Friday?
Starting point is 01:25:03 And what is Ohio State's thoughts the fans as we look Ahead to the national championship. Man, I think the fans I think they there's they're realizing like hey We're finally here like it was a long trek to get to this point But this is where they're at and like like the thing Jack wrote was that was really cool to see him right that the week Of the biggest game of his life pretty much. I think people are pretty optimistic and feel really good about Ohio State, but I think they also respect the hell out of Notre Dame and Marcus Freeman and what he's done. Obviously Marcus played linebacker at Ohio State.
Starting point is 01:25:33 He's had a ton of respect as a coach forever and what he's done with Notre Dame in a short time is unbelievable. So I think that alone has people very, I would say, not like they're not letting their ego run wild. Sometimes the team comes in, if they're a favorite, their fan base gets just crazy and they think they have no chance of ever losing and all this, and maybe it's because Ohio State
Starting point is 01:25:53 has dropped a few games this year, including the biggest one against Michigan. Maybe that's why they won't let themselves get carried away, but I think very optimistic, very excited actually for Monday night. I think both these teams are obviously very deserving. Both these teams in the culture and the cut of their jibs is exactly what I would want a team that I'm a fan of to have,
Starting point is 01:26:11 especially with how we're watching them all kind of come to life in the biggest moments, showing up in the biggest ways for the biggest plays on the biggest stages, all these guys. So they got it right. I think college football playoff got it right here with these two teams and I'm excited to watch the fight. We'll be on the call on the sideline obviously on ESPN to speaking of on the call. Tom Brady is going to be on the call for Fox for the next nine years. Yeah. How
Starting point is 01:26:36 about it? Oh, yeah. Obviously, there's been a lot of conversation about a conflict of interest between Tom Brady, the owner who is now hands-on owner Not just investment owner trying to reap the benefit of owner not in the building owner Just somebody has their money be a part of a team He's hands-on now with the selection of the head coach and I assume the general manager Strategy going forward how the team's gonna be built Why else would you bring in Tom Brady at a lower rate?
Starting point is 01:27:03 Which was the issue with all the other NFL owners for then for him to have say and make the Raiders great hopefully once again. Max Crosby was on Good Morning Football, he said in years past I've stressed out potentially about who's going to be the head coach this year, it'll all work out how it's supposed to be, looks so cool on Good Morning Football, hair was perfect, beard outstanding, but I think there's a chance that a lot of Raiders people feel that way because Tom Brady is a part of it. Because Tom Brady's doing a leadership. So then whenever he's calling games,
Starting point is 01:27:31 or whenever he's saying anything this weekend, and for instance, Ben Johnson is potentially a head coaching kid for the Raiders, he's on the call for that. A lot of people thought that it would be too much, and inevitably Tom would have to step away, or somebody would say, hey, not smart for you to be one of the voices of
Starting point is 01:27:45 Our game will also being an owner in the game. His agent has come out and said nah, yeah 375 million brother. Yeah, we're gonna take that. Yeah, we are gonna be doing that He's gonna fulfill his obligations and his contract that he signed to Fox. He obviously respects Fox and appreciates him He's doing the best job that he possibly can. AJ, how do you feel about that? And do you think it inevitably gets too loud, especially if he continues to be an owner in the league for the Raiders? I have no issue with Tom being an owner and being in the booth. I don't understand why people think he cannot do both.
Starting point is 01:28:18 They think his workload is too much, like Tom Brady who played in the NFL forever. And has won so many Super Bowls that the guy can't handle it like no the seasons what five or six months long when he's in the booth I don't really understand I don't get caught up I guess in all of the drama saying like oh is he gonna get inside information from these whatever from when he's broadcasting and talking to people okay good luck like he's gonna be fine I don't think I think it's way over one when they think the like the advantage that Tom could possibly gain from being in the booth and talking to these guys, he could talk to him anyway, no matter what.
Starting point is 01:28:50 I just, I don't get it. What about tampering? He's on a sideline before the games walking around warm up saying, Hey, he could do that. I mean, he could do that. He's not a broadcaster. He'll go to all the games, but does that not tamper? And he can still have relationships with all these same people. Yeah, but he's not getting a chance to see 53 and a third every single game walk around the pregame.
Starting point is 01:29:08 Hey, you happy here? Okay. Hey, you happy here? I'm not saying Tom would ever do that, but I'm saying all these things are the fears that people have of an owner, like an actual owner calling games. I like Tom Brady being around the game, personally. I like Tom Brady having a voice in the game. I like Tom Brady having a podcast in the game. It's the greatest of all time. So the more we hear
Starting point is 01:29:27 from him, the better and I'm appreciative of, but I think like the people that think it's a conflict of interest are only going to find more things to get pissed off about Tom Brady being an owner and also lead voice commentary in this entire thing. Yeah. People are bitching and granted it's probably jokes, but also probably not that he cheated while he was in the NFL So a way that he would be able to cheat here would be that he would you know, let's say week one He's calling the game of commanders Lions and then week two the Raiders are playing the commanders Well, Tom just learned what their entire philosophy is gonna be this season through
Starting point is 01:30:01 Interviewing and all that stuff before the game with Cliff Kingsbury or Dan Quinn that is what people are bringing up. What's that H? What's that H? That's over boy. Come on now. What are we talking about in a production meeting? He's Tom's gonna learn every secret of the organization. He might. Well, I also thought that he wasn't allowed. Yeah, yeah, big part of it. What do you guys do the production meetings? Like could he come in with bugs and just bug the entire facility? Which is what they did say the Patriots did everybody else You know the Patriots actually I think the Patriots are at the Colts facility whenever they played the Super Bowl here Yeah
Starting point is 01:30:32 helicopters the no no no they actually worked out in the Whatever they were in the Super Bowl After that after the week that the Patriots were in the Colts facility, hilarious, sweep the entire building. We need to go into the ceiling, we need to go into everything and make sure the day of not left anything behind. But yes, anytime a helicopter flew over the Colts facility, there was always a, I don't know, Bill, but let's check out his helicopter license. What the hell?
Starting point is 01:31:00 We need to check that entire thing out. All right, big story in the NFL is what's happening with the Dallas Cowboys. There's obviously a legendary football name being associated with it in Dion Primetime Sanders. Joining us now, close friend, family member damn near of Dion Sanders, former Dallas Cowboy, host of the Pac-Man Jones Show, friend of the program,
Starting point is 01:31:21 ladies and gentlemen, Pac-Man. Yeah. Hey. What's up with the gang? How y'all doing? Good, we're excited. We're getting a chance to chat with you. There was a buzz in here, getting a chance to catch up
Starting point is 01:31:31 with Adam Pac-Man Jones. Con Man, oh, shit, his pants this morning, actually. Jacked up. What's up with the guys, man? Hey, we're having a good time. You look so cool. Congrats on a phenomenal season of the Pac-Man Jones show. The clips are everywhere.
Starting point is 01:31:43 Conversations going crazy. One of them was with Deion Sanders and at that time I think there was no consideration of him potentially going to the NFL. That was kind of the chat that you had with him in your very close relationship. Now, after Jerry calls him, tries to persuade him into at least garnering a little bit of interest, he said publicly it was intriguing to Adam Schefter. Now we're hearing about the NIL thing in Colorado. We're hearing about the staff salary at Colorado. Where do you think we stand on that entire storyline and what are you hearing from Prime and or Jerry down there in Dallas? All right first and foremost the next Dallas Cowboys coach is going to be Kelly Moore. Everybody knows that with the relationship that's over there. Deion is not leaving Colorado by no means necessary. Unless he was able to coach both
Starting point is 01:32:32 of his sons, which I don't think that's possible because sources says that Ben Johnson is going to be the Raiders coach. Like real good sources, like I'm talking about like real good sources as we shall say. I don't think Deion is going nowhere. I think it was good entertainment but I don't think Deion is going to Jerry. Okay so Pac-Man says hey and by the way Pac's been around. Yep. Long time in the NFL friends with every seemingly friends with everybody. I think that's pretty accurate assessment on the, yeah, the Pac-Man Jones. So he says, Dion staying in Colorado, Kellan Moore going to Dallas, Ben Johnson on good authority heading over to the Raiders. And Shador probably gonna be the quarterback there.
Starting point is 01:33:16 AJ has a question for you, Pac. What about Aaron Glenn, Pac? You got any inside information on where he might be going? I don't um Aaron Glenn is he's not in the circle that I'm in so I had no sources on that one. Okay so let's get back to Prime let's talk about Prime a little bit because I know you are in that circle closely when Jerry calls him and I know you know Jerry as well when Jerry calls him and says like hey this is potentially an opportunity and he called
Starting point is 01:33:45 it intriguing. Do you think there was a time where Deon sat down and was like, I have to weigh my options here and then do you think he inevitably wanted to go back to Colorado because of what he built or do you think he was like, I got a thing going here in Colorado that I've committed to, regardless of what Jerry's saying? No, you got, I'm quite sure he took the meeting everybody's gonna take to me But I think the big thing about this whole thing is Him being able to coach the boys at the next level. Um, if that's not a strong possibility I think the NFL thing was already out of there. Okay, Connor has a question for you Yeah pack always a pleasure. The glasses are sweet already out of there. Okay. Connor has a question for you. Yeah. Pack always a pleasure. The glasses are sweet. Uh,
Starting point is 01:34:25 do you know like what should do? His thoughts are with this draft upcoming? Does he have a preference on where he wants to go? Does it matter where he wants to go and do the giants cleats that he had in his bull game locker room? Is that kind of him pointing towards, Hey, I want to go play with Malik neighbors. Should do or say you want to be the number one pick overall. That's where you want to go. Number one. So whoever ended up at that number one spot, Tennessee, which you can see some teams trading around.
Starting point is 01:34:55 See the rate is going up to get one. Cause like, you don't need no quarterback. Connor, do y'all need a quarterback? We're four though. So right now the lineup is Titans at number one, Browns number two overall. Titans don't need a quarterback. They ain't gonna stick with what they got. Titans are in a quarterback needy time because they're moving on from Will Levis definitely.
Starting point is 01:35:16 I think they're moving on from Will Levis. 100%? Yeah, I think that is pretty clear. I think. Now granted they might get a vet because there's a lot of veterans that could come in there Kirk Cousins potentially gonna be available Obviously Donald potentially gonna be available Daniel Jones potentially gonna be available Aaron Rodgers Potentially gonna be available has raw land down there in Nashville and then everybody else
Starting point is 01:35:39 These are all the rookies combined with some of the vets and there are vets that are on screen that could be Also on the market Titans. We think are gonna need a quarterback. Maybe they'll go with a vet the Browns They just locked in again to Deshaun Watson, but that deal was locked in as soon as it was signed He tears his Achilles yet again. Yep, who knows what they're gonna do I think they might be interested in a quarterback the New York Giants Obviously, they're gonna be interested in a quarterback The Patriots are the only ones there in the top four that don't need a quarterback. And then obviously Trevor Lawrence down there with the Jacks.
Starting point is 01:36:10 Well, yeah, cuz ain't nobody gonna, they ain't looking, Trevor Lawrence name on the stadium down there. They just pay him too much, so they stuck with him. You're talking about Trevor Bankfield, Trevor. Yeah. Big Bank. Yeah, that was, what's he, $55 million a year? Yeah. Trevor's making that? Okay, so you he 55 million a year Trevor's making them
Starting point is 01:36:30 Okay, so you're saying the should ors he wants me number one overall. He'll go wherever he gets drafted obviously the cons make a lot of sense bro like Him and Brady they got a deal together Brady have been training them since he was in high school like he signed the Brady right now as far as Endorsement like it just seems like a good fit to me for a guy that's the owner of a team that's been working with the kids since he was in high school, that knows his flaws and the things that he's good at,
Starting point is 01:36:55 to get him. It just don't make no other sense for me to think anything different than that. And also he and Mark Davis tapped each other up, I believe, at a game. Yeah, I know. They have a relationship and everything like that. There's actually a thought that maybe prime is gonna be head coach of the Raiders What was that? He's gave a little he gave a little head bump I
Starting point is 01:37:18 Heard that was a conversation, but I don't think it's I don't think that's gonna happen Colorado is where pack said he believes Deion is gonna remain. Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Pac, a report came out today that said Deion went to Colorado and basically asked for more money for NIL and for his coaches pool because they've already went away from the NIL. And Colorado basically balked at the idea and kind of is just standing pat four right now.
Starting point is 01:37:44 Do you think with that report coming out there's any chance Dion may reconsider and think like okay? Maybe the NFL is a better option Or do you think ultimately all this stuff will get handled at Colorado because his name is now You know getting leaked out there to go to the Cowboys I think all of you handle if you look at the turnout they don't have in the last year, nobody wasn't even thinking about Colorado before Deion got there. Now you can't even buy a ticket online for the next five years. So and they had some big names come through there and them boys was getting paid. They was getting paid so I'm quite sure they can dig down deep somewhere and get the coaches a little bit more and help out with the NIL
Starting point is 01:38:26 deal. I don't think it'll come an issue this year, but if it don't happen this year, it may become an issue after this. But with the young talent that he brought in, the number one quarterback in the country, I just don't see. It's got to be a real miracle for De'Ande Lee, Colorado. I truly think he really love it there and it might be where he wanna end up. Okay, all right, we took a little road there.
Starting point is 01:38:55 We just took a little bit road there. Now let's go to Cincinnati, obviously home for you currently. Tone has a question for you. What up, Pac? What are you saying? How do you feel about- what happened to y'all? What when? You guys were already in Cabo
Starting point is 01:39:20 It didn't take y'all but 24 more hours, okay Hey, it didn't take y'all but 24 more hours. Okay, that's true. I know, I know. One more quarter, yep. Back, wasn't good at either city this year, but speaking of, Jamar, you know, he had the contract dispute kind of early last season. You think Jamar will get a new deal
Starting point is 01:39:35 before the season comes, and if not, you think he'll hold out? I think Mr. Brown got a brink trip down there right now, trying to figure out what the number is before April get here. There's no way that you don't get paid What he said he won a dollar more. I think he deserved a dollar more. Yeah. Yeah 35.5 million or 36 million dollars he's proving it though he played weekend and week out and Kid is electrifying to see and he's a great receiver.
Starting point is 01:40:05 So yeah, they both are. They're awesome to watch. Joe Burrow, obviously absolute stud. Cannot wait to see how they keep that entire team together. Good for Cincinnati, good for football to watch them do their thing. And hopefully the defensive side is able to tighten up. Now, last question obviously for me, Rich Rodriguez back at West Virginia, brother, I know you and I, a part of the conversation. And obviously we've kept in touch with coach Rod. How do you feel about it now? There were a couple
Starting point is 01:40:28 weeks removed from the decision being made and what are your expectations going into this particular spring? Man, I feel really good. I actually talked to uh rod today. He got a couple of the guys that was rounding the circle. Um, he got noel back. Um, coach castile is back. It's a lot of guys that know the culture of football. Not lazy, you know what I mean? Nothing lazy. We want guys that want to win and play hard. And I think we're in a good situation. He already got two big names. Oh yeah. Transfer portal, we've been crushing right now yeah we've been we've been i got a couple of them already i think the dn i can't i can't remember his name we got a big dn um that we just paid to pat he's a monster yeah juco guy right yeah yeah yeah this
Starting point is 01:41:19 juco guy they didn't know what his eligibility was gonna be and there was other people there was other people trying to push for this guy. And Rich Rod was like, we'll stick with you no matter what here. Then the ruling came on and the guy was like, I appreciate you. And he's coming through. Now we're paying him, but he is a dog. Which is the only people that are gonna be on this West Virginia roster. And did you hear they got Tour of Duty coming up next week?
Starting point is 01:41:42 Yeah, I hated that shit. That's the only thing I did not like. Yeah, we all did everybody hated it But it was a massive part of building the culture. I think those dudes on that roster are about to learn what hard edge is about the next week. We're gonna find out who's in and who's out. And then it just got ripped. Yeah, yes it did. And I'm excited for them. I'm excited for you. Keep crushing it with the Pac-Man Jones show, man We're proud of you. Hey, man. I love y'all man. We'll see you soon Them lives look pretty good. My boy. Yes, sir. Pac-Man Super Bowl. This is the year. Are they winning it?
Starting point is 01:42:16 They're winning it all Let's go All right, so he said do you want to stay in at Colorado and then he said me There's gonna have to be a miracle if a situation pops up out of nowhere that he has to take He's gonna do that. But I think from what it sounded like at a pack. It's like he's called. He's a Colorado He's a Colorado, but then the Raiders get offered up. Ooh, and it's like the Raiders he could coach his kid But then he said Ben Johnson's going to the Raiders, which is potentially why he's excited about Shador potentially going to the Raiders because of his connection with Tom Brady. It's like
Starting point is 01:42:51 Pac-Man is just, he's tapped into a lot of people. Now how much do people know at this exact moment because as we've seen things can change. You know more opportunities pop up, another situation arises, it's like things can change, but at the current moment, it feels like Deon going back to Colorado and Pac size, Pac is in. Oh yeah, very. Very in over there.
Starting point is 01:43:16 Ben going to the Raiders, even though Schefter in the first hour was like, why's everybody just got Ben Johnson going to the Raiders? I think Pac's got him going there. And then Pac's got Shador going over there too If he can figure out how to make the draft work with Tennessee sir three needy quarterback needy teams At the very top of the draft man. I forgot how electrifying it is all the speculation all the bullshit Oh, yeah, this is what we're getting into right now
Starting point is 01:43:40 Yeah doubt doubt but like the thing with Dion too and I think that like he might very well be you know Like I want to stay at Colorado right now But that's why the whole thing with like Jerry is like one one of if not the only owner in the NFL We're like if he wants Dion bad enough He's gonna do whatever he has to do to get it like that I don't think there are very many owners like that, you know where it's like you you meet with Dion and he's like You know what? I'm good. I want to stay at Colorado and they kind of say okay and go their separate ways Like if Jerry wants him bad enough, he he will put together an offer
Starting point is 01:44:12 He can't refuse and to what Schefter was saying like Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn the clear one two and With both those guys the Cowboys weren't even in the talking point There's New York in New Orleans for Aaron Glenn and then it was Vegas, you know Chicago Jacksonville for Ben Johnson So it's like if there is no clear number three then the splash kind of higher would be you know Dion and think just thinking about like the Patriots and variable who knows if he has to win back over the franchise or the fans Rather with Dallas. I assume he does just because of the expectations and you know kind of the dud of the season. Like hiring Dion would probably be like having the fans back on your
Starting point is 01:44:53 side like that would be an easy way to be like hey I'm trying I'm going out there I'm doing this this guy knows the star he gets it and that's what happened with the Patriots and Vrabel like with Kraft everyone in New England is back on the craft side after the debacle of last offseason with the Apple TV Documentary kill and Belichick after kind of the way the offseason went with paying people and guys not wanting to come to it to New England like hiring variable kind of basically Clean slate with all the fans. Hey, we can forget about that. It's a new era and that could happen with prime and Dow Okay, so maybe Dion goes to Dallas pack says he's staying in Colorado
Starting point is 01:45:27 Let's talk about another D on D on Dawkins the electrifying tackle for the Buffalo Bills He was talking about going into this massive matchup with the Baltimore Ravens. He's feeling good. I'd say oh, yeah I'm sure different players react differently to it. Some probably get a little tighter a little more nervous Do you feel like it's more fun? Do you feel like it maybe makes you even looser is that possible do you see me right now that's why I got goggles on in a press conference you asked me do I feel more loose and free I am free my dog I'm free yes um you embrace how fun this is of course I'm having the most fun in my life and I am present in the time that
Starting point is 01:46:15 we're in right now I know what's going on like this is history being written right now and I know the moment that we're in. And, you know, me, I'm just taking, not advantage, but I'm taking being present in the moment. Like I'm embracing what's going on. I'm not trying to be too cool for it. I'm just Deion. I am just Deion. But yes, yeah, I am more comfortable.
Starting point is 01:46:43 Of course you have nerves because, you know, we're in elimination rounds. This is what football is. This ain't the best of five games, or the best of four games, best of three. No, this is elimination chamber. So it's a... It is.
Starting point is 01:46:56 It's thought of, but it's not harped on. Like you have that in your head, because that's the situation that is in front of us. But besides that, I'm free, calm, cool, and snow. I am D-Dog, and I'm gonna be myself. Snow goggles on, smell me, straight off of Pac-Man. Love everything about that. Elimination chamber, amen.
Starting point is 01:47:15 Same rules for everybody, you lose. You are out forever, unless you're Brock Lesnar, then you break through the glass and say, I'm done waiting. That's right. We're doing this entire thing, and everybody in there has to smell him and see how that whole thing goes. How do you feel about how Deon Dawkins, I think it's a reflection on the culture and obviously I think that's a reflection on how great he is at his job. You don't have that type of confidence and free feeling unless you put the
Starting point is 01:47:37 work in and you're very good, which I think that entire Buffalo Bills team feels the exact same way. Yeah, I love everything you said there. It seemed very real and authentic. I said, yeah, of course there's nerves, but we don't harp on it. We don't make it a bigger deal than it is. And I think even a guy like Dion speaking like that, I think it might even calm some of the coaches down. We all know when big games are about to happen,
Starting point is 01:47:58 the week leading up to it, that's when some coaches, they get super tight. And sometimes that they just freak out and that trickles down throughout the rest of the team So I think I like Dion is absolutely key to have in these moments because if you actually sit there and you think about it Like hey, here we go. We win this one We're one game away from the Super Bowl like that's a light-changing event that I could hopefully be a part of like you can't really put Yourself in those shoes. Yeah, I think until like you truly have to take it like minute by minute
Starting point is 01:48:22 I think in the playoff right in in history, he understands the moment. I'm free my dog. He said, I'm wearing goggles in a press conference. Yeah. You think I'm loose? I don't know. Like I appreciate Dion pointing out the obvious like, brother, you think I got any worries up here?
Starting point is 01:48:36 And also to add to the point about Dion Dawkins, and we've chatted about this before, whenever left tackles, I've been trying to get off the ball as far as possible you know they made the we were all reminded of you have to break the centers ass basically with at least a helmet Deon Dawkins lined up off sides the other way just to showcase like hey I am it don't matter this is me versus you I will backpedal if I have here to get to a spot in Malden Josh
Starting point is 01:49:03 Allen knows he's got a dog over there. The Buffalo Bills know they got a dog over there. And to your point about calming down the coaches, I think that's a huge deal. Joe Brady's name is now up for these head coaching jobs. It was a few years back. Then the Carolina thing happens and he goes to Buffalo. Then he gets the offense coordinator job. It's like, I'm not saying Joe Brady get nervous, but a lot on the line for Joe Brady, a lot on the line for McDermottott and these coaches aren't all elite performers. Elite performers have the clutch gene. They understand the big lights and the big moments. It feels like the Bills coaches at this moment ready. It feels like the Bills team at this
Starting point is 01:49:36 moment ready. More so than ever before. Same with Baltimore. It feels the exact same with them and then you look at the big bad wolf at Kansas City Chiefs it's like is this the year you can get them. Is this the year? Are the Houston Texans gonna shock the world and end this thing for the Kansas City Chiefs in a divisional round one game into a Playoff run. It's like I'm not sure I don't think anybody will believe it until they see it I believe the Chiefs is still the Chiefs But some people believe maybe they're gettable this year. And you have to feel that way if you're in the AFC.
Starting point is 01:50:06 And then in the NFC, Lions, Wagon, Commanders, Team of Destiny. Remember we're talking the way they've won games. Maybe the football gods are saying, hey, thank you for changing ownership. Thank you for moving forward. Thank you for making your fans be happy and proud to be fans of your team.
Starting point is 01:50:26 And then the Rams and Eagles, we would assume with the amount of snow that's coming through there, that'll favor the Eagles. Matthew Stafford ain't scared of a damn thing. No. Never has. We got a great divisional round coming up. We'll continue this program on YouTube,
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Starting point is 01:50:57 Come join us as we make picks and then thrust into a great weekend. Have a good one. All right, that creeped up on me a lot faster than I thought. I completely forgot it was the 30. Yeah, extra ad sale. Yeah, true. For the ESPN ad team. Sold another 30 second commercial.
Starting point is 01:51:15 Good one. Real good one. We only get a few minutes to these things. Let's see what it is, actually. Yeah, what is it? We can watch it right now, let's see what it is. Eight seconds. Yeah, what run?
Starting point is 01:51:24 Five, four, three, two, one. You can watch it right now. Let's see what it is Eight seconds. Yeah, what right? What run five four three two one It's a blue chew. Oh hell yeah, it's the other New Hampshire, baby. What is a snooze? University is that the new University of Phoenix? No, yeah, it's one of the pre-eminent online college experiences It's way better than the University of Phoenix. It's also a great school. If you're an Eagle Scout, you can go there for free. I'll tell you what, really?
Starting point is 01:51:50 If you can tie knots, you can go to the snooze? It's already gone, yeah. The Grand Canyon University? No, GCU is a real thing. It sounds like this is a little bit of the Southampton Institute of Technology. No, that's just the Southern in it. I actually have been up there near their campus,
Starting point is 01:52:04 so the arena they have is actually like crazy. There's like a 10,000 seat. This is an actual in-person place. I think it's mostly online, but I believe you can take courses in person. The arena I pulled up, I was like, holy fucking shit. That's not real. Yes. No, what do they do in there? They people bring their laptops and Concerts people go there. I multiple people from the town I grew up and went to Southern New Hampshire University and it is a Astute college took classes there online So you didn't take them there you took them online
Starting point is 01:52:37 I mean through them. Yeah, did they carry over to anything that you needed to get was I was getting my masters before this happened And then I just stopped see that's legit so they can give out a doctorates this south Hampton yep, snoo Southern New Hampshire University snoo. I think a part of that deal We gave up 30 seconds for them. We should all got doctorates Nice at least PhDs that'd be cool. Yeah, something that southern place man university live for your die, baby It has a campus. Yeah, something that Southern this place man university live for your die, baby. It has a campus Yeah, is that legit school brother? It's not a reverse a Phoenix when you guys were talking about this to be clear I thought this was an online institution. It's nice
Starting point is 01:53:13 I would guess most of their students are online students, but yeah, unless you want to explain arena Yeah, told you look how beautiful that landscape is we're hiking on an online university it's crazy. Dude, dude it's only partially online. Most schools are like that. It's near Boston, Massachusetts. It's probably about an hour out of it's Manchester. 45. Discover innovative designs. Oh my god they got real classes. Oh yeah dude this place is legit. How many students are on campus? They're working on robots. About like a hundred. 50. pretty nice facilities for them oh hell yeah is that technical Institute what is this it's just I was going for a CIA front what is it I have no idea they bought a 30-second ad I think we need to learn a little bit more about snow congratulations is awesome It was off. Snuhoo. For shoot. The age of silent. Snuhoo. Snuhoo.
Starting point is 01:54:05 That's just what we do. Snuhoo. Snuhoo. We're bringing a boom to you. Yeah. Can you imagine? They need to link up. Next commercial.
Starting point is 01:54:14 You do it with the snu. The snu. The snu is on like the roof. Oh yeah. Speaking of great chance, we haven't got AJ's take on it yet the most recent Have you seen the most recent one might be the best work yet Yeah, I have seen it, but I when did they do that?
Starting point is 01:54:39 When did they give the five booms to the dead person and get in trouble? I heard it was a live stream, not Cameo. No, I think it was a Cameo. I think it was. The Cameo. I think it was. Well, they have the live things popping up in the video, so it is hard to tell.
Starting point is 01:54:54 But it's probably somebody ripping the Cameo on a live, potentially, and then it gets in there. I would assume that they didn't just drop into a five big booms shoot at that brother without it being a strip. You never know. I heard from kids. I heard the kids told me.
Starting point is 01:55:11 So yeah, I don't know. So he's read a comment. Hey, my brother died yesterday. Hey, sorry about your brother died. With that being said, he had a life worth living. Five big booms. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. It's not going to bring them back, but certainly let you know,
Starting point is 01:55:29 we'd like to memorialize it. My little car. Little car. Has anyone ever tried to bring someone back with big boobs before? I don't want to get too far into it, but I was at a funeral where. Five big boobs. Nope. Oh yeah. Somebody was trying to bring life back into the body and uh, that was a scene. I did not expect that. How did they try? Well, it was one of those, everybody's got to pray and believe in type thing and the energy. And it worked. Yeah. How'd it end?
Starting point is 01:55:58 The person got out of the coffin and they all had a pump. There was a lot of us who, uh, yeah, they didn't just go about their days. Yeah, how do you handle that? Does someone pull them away? Like, what do you do? They're actually Undertaker. Yeah, it got interesting. Cause it was my first time ever experiencing that.
Starting point is 01:56:14 And I've had a lot of friends pass away, a lot, too many. And I don't try to do the funeral thing, but I'll do like the memorial thing. Like, hey, we're going to do this. The funeral is just not how I want to see, you know, that hole is not how I want to do it but this was friend family member so very very serious. Teammate actually very very serious so we all chose to go and support and show and everything like that so it was interesting. I don't think anybody ever experienced that or expected that.
Starting point is 01:56:40 I was asking the religious folks you know I'm like hey I don't do a lot of the funerals how often is this happening out here just so I know going forward what to, you know, I'm like, hey, I don't do a lot of the funerals. How often is this happening out here? Just so I know going forward what to expect walking in that I'm potentially gonna either be a part of something or an uncomfortable situation afterwards. Yeah, cause after like five, six minutes of this, then they did have to pull person. Yeah. Five, six minutes.
Starting point is 01:57:04 That's a long time. Started out with a prayer. Started out with a prayer. Prayer was like 90 seconds to two minutes. And then immediately after the prayer, we didn't say amen yet. Then it was now it's time to put forth our efforts in beliefs. And I'll tell you what I was in, I was trying. Sure. I was trying my best. It wasn't me. Not hard enough. That's three playbacks of the bringing the boom to you. The breaking the boom song. You're talking about five minutes? It's a long time. Yeah, that's a long time.
Starting point is 01:57:29 And it felt like 40. Yeah. It felt like 40 minutes in there. I can imagine. It felt like 40 minutes in there. But it's a tough situation. Yeah. What if it worked though?
Starting point is 01:57:37 It's worth a shot. Like what if it worked? Yeah, so afterwards I heard from one person that they heard a story obviously about, and I said, okay, all right. In the Bible? No, no, no. Someone craw crawl out some of crawled out of the casket. Yeah, I wasn't Jesus Christ moving the rock it was somebody Got life back and
Starting point is 01:57:54 Didn't go on to live but certainly Extended some time of being alive or whatever. I'm like, okay. Well, it didn't happen today and I Was believer I wasn't the one bringing the juice down Yeah Which is crazy because usually like at that portion of the funeral like they've already taken all your blood out and everything what didn't happen today. And I was a believer. I wasn't the one bringing the juice down. Which is crazy. Cause usually like at that portion of the funeral, like they've already taken all your blood out and everything they've done, like the embalming process.
Starting point is 01:58:11 So it's hard to believe. Yeah, definitely. Certainly. But I did cause I didn't want to be the one that was. No, you had to. You were still bringing it. Just like when I'm on Bigfoot on down in Georgia, I was told at the end of it,
Starting point is 01:58:22 that somebody in the group didn't believe hard enough. That's why we didn't see it. So it wasn't me. I started looking around. That's why we didn't see him. And I said, was it fucking me? I started looking around. Who was it? I tell every group. Every group for the last 30 years, they've been telling that. 25 years he's been in the loop in the woods
Starting point is 01:58:32 charging people to go Bigfoot hunting. I would assume that there is a standard message at the end of a fruitless hunt for Bigfoot. And I was certainly one of them, but I was not happy with the group that I was with. Cause I fucking was. Yeah. Walked in.
Starting point is 01:58:48 You think they ever have any of his buddies dressed up in a costume and start banging the tree, or climb up a tree and start making noises and bang around so you know, keep the customers coming back? I don't even think they're that advanced of a hustle. Oh. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:59 I don't even think. But you do think it's a hustle. It felt like it. Until you see it. They had see it they had a they had a megaphone that was about this big like a cheerleader it was yeah about this large and they were like it got real big yeah literally we would just post up in places in the woods they would rest it on on like a log or something like they were a sniper or right one of those and they go
Starting point is 01:59:25 like literally just calling them in they're calling that was the big foot up you know and it's very it's a very you know it's a lot of cause they're what do they say again can you do one more time it was really just like you know and then somebody else came in and they got a hold of the fucking thing and they did this different sounds like Like one of those and I'm like, I guess we don't know What if they scare big foot away they might be scared booked it away for the last 25 years Well, the big thing is as soon as it was awesome. So they set this fucker up No, it's at this fucker up right and it would be like wow right? And it would be like, wow, everybody. It's not like the Rico commercial.
Starting point is 02:00:07 Yeah, they would do a full on good projection. And then, wow. I just listening pitch black 4am, Georgia Hills in the woods. Holy shit. Nothing. Let's go to another spot. All right. Well, actually, you want to give it a go? Sure. I fucking take that. They don't know what the in my eyes. I left there thinking
Starting point is 02:00:37 nobody knows what the sound is. They're all guessing but I don't think Steve would appreciate me saying that. It is right. You should have done the recall. But I don't think Steve would appreciate me saying that it is right. You should have done the recall What if that is To be clear I might have I mean there was we did that like 50 times I mean we were in the woods for about four hours walking around the hills of Georgia One guy was partially deaf which is big problem because we're hunting for bigfoot, which is all right. So I hear him coming Yeah, not even here and come just hear anything. Yeah, you know
Starting point is 02:01:08 Do you have any weapons like what if they what if they found him and Bigfoot attacked you guys you shoot him? I will say there's not gonna be a lot of times you're gonna see old Pat McAfee in the woods without a Yeah, yeah, just just a heads Tim McAfee son You're not gonna see me in the woods a lot without a little something something you know probably now obviously can't travel through state lines with that but you can certainly say hey if you got one I think I would like to why do you have one okay what do you okay well yes I understand how to utilize and operate that thing so yeah I felt pretty pretty safe about the but that but I want to go shake its hand sure you know but it
Starting point is 02:01:45 fucking wouldn't show up because somebody didn't believe enough let's get to a break I'm still pissed what a waste of five hours next time next time you should be glad you came back I mean normally I would imagine that's a you know hey come Bigfoot hunting with us and then you never come back that's what probably happened Tim McAfee said that whenever I told him what I was doing yeah said so let me get this straight You're going in the hills of Georgia overnight With a deaf guy and another guy to go find Bigfoot. I'm like, yeah
Starting point is 02:02:12 I guess if you don't make it out there, it's on you and I'm not proud to be your dad. I'm like I Didn't think about potential death here until you mentioned he goes first thought you're going in the hills with random, Georgia people. I'm like yes, because Good luck out there that tends to happen to you a lot where a lot of people's first thought would be death It's like way down the list for you. Yeah me. I'm like these guys have seen three times 25 years I mean, this is the people go do it with the claim that they saw they claim that they have to claim We got we had a fucking foot. You got pictures? Got a piece of hair. Saw a piece of hair, was in a bag.
Starting point is 02:02:47 Almost jacked that thing. They got the footprint, but it was made with the clay or whatever. Fossilized? Fossilized footprint. Oh yeah. It was a big foot. I think that's an accurate depiction of what this thing has. I don't know about the dong of it.
Starting point is 02:03:00 Gotta be gigantic. Gotta be. Because the foot was huge. And then there was a photo of... Around be gigantic. Cause the foot was huge. And then there was a photo of around a tree. Yep. One of these. Yeah. Oh yeah. But it was blurry, you see.
Starting point is 02:03:13 So you had to kind of get through, but it was big photo on the wall. So I don't know if that made it better or worse, bigger pixels, but I can see the blob. Yeah. I knew one of these. Oh holy shit okay wow that's out there okay oh yeah you did see this guy was out in the middle of the fucking hills to left his family to do this 25 years ago oh out there saw one time hunting and then committed his whole life
Starting point is 02:03:40 to doing it again how could you not seeing three times 25 years he told me. Look at this, I got the footprint. Okay. Odds are good. I believe it. I believe it. I tried to steal it. I said I'm not leaving here without that fucking foot. And then I realized quickly you should probably get out of here. Thought about Tim. I shook his hand. I go back out there with Steve. Dave, the other guy, Steve and Dave.
Starting point is 02:04:01 Dave has a family. They're still doing it? Still bringing it over. I'm assuming. I'm assuming Steve's still out there. I'm assuming Steve is still... Yeah, bringing it. Still bringing it. Yeah. Dave, he might have been the one that didn't believe enough because I think he still had a family and stuff, so I don't know what he's thinking. There was a failed quest. But that doesn't mean that we won't find him again. Amen. Well said. I did give up a little
Starting point is 02:04:28 bit of hope on Bigfoot after that though. I think I'm back in on it. Okay. Yep. What was going on with those drones over there? Have we found that whole thing out here? Is that just done? It's done. It's done. Let's not talk about it. Let's move along for now All right. Let's make our picks on the other side. It's great to be here on tick tock live Yeah, it's gonna get pretty bloody drink it in Every day it's uh Somebody attacking talks livelihood Today was the supreme court. Yeah That's pretty powerful boy. Yes, it is. I don't know the rules of how this thing goes, but anytime I
Starting point is 02:05:05 hear supreme in front of it, feels like they have a lot of say. Yeah. Clean sweep. Nine zip. Yeah. Talk and the others are marching on Washington. He's leading the charge. On inauguration day? No, no. On on the Supreme Court. Don't overturn the TikTok ruler. If he comes flopping in, oh yeah, they'll hear him coming. That's the issue with talk. The way he walks and runs is louder
Starting point is 02:05:30 than like people who clap. So the Supreme Court will hear talk coming before they see him, maybe a mile out. So they'll have time to prepare, but they don't know the buzzsaw. No. That's right behind him. That marble in there too, that's echoing. Holy shit.
Starting point is 02:05:44 Throw out. Yeah. Yeah. That's echoing. Holy shit throughout Yeah, yeah, yeah Clapping yeah Donald Duck. Yeah, let alone all the other tick tockers I saw on the nightly news or maybe it was the morning news one of the other Tick tockers crying. Yeah, I don't see him crying. I know I think I saw the guy that everybody said was Dan or Lovsky crying Oh, I think saying I'm losing my family. He's a working actor What the fuck does he care? I just look like a man wasn't he's a big talker too. It was just a tick talker Yeah, tick-tock super Super much a lot of Dan Orlovsky look-alikes on take time here sure
Starting point is 02:06:19 Talk with love you man. Good run. You did great work with that particular wrap. Are we going to have to call this guy Reels on Monday? I started today just to see how it felt. It didn't feel good. Maybe just call him Goofball. Potentially. All right, we'll brainstorm. Whoa.
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Starting point is 02:07:01 What's the story of the week that we haven't given enough attention to? What's something that we haven't chatted about enough? Is it the Indy volleyball team, the Indy Ignite, that have launched their season, professional women's volleyball, here at the Fishers Arena, where they're packing it out, and they're undefeated, I do believe. I think they are, I think they're a wagon.
Starting point is 02:07:21 The Indy Ignite is the name of the women's volleyball team here in Fishers, Indiana They've been balling. They've been doing it. Is that the story? I actually met them at the bar a couple weekends ago a great group of people Tall very tall very athletic. I bet and it they're filling up that Fishers What's it called up there Bruce? You live right across you live near that area Fishers event center It was jumping last night the parking lot was packed He said there's been some events that have come through the fishers event center. This is a brand new
Starting point is 02:07:50 Venue 6,500 seats, I think 7,000 seats something like that somewhere in that man a brand new venue in Fishers, Indiana Which is Northeast Indianapolis in Indiana or whatever and he said there's some events because he's got eyes on a parking lot from Where he lives some people come to town boy there ain't no Action there is nothing this indian night thing though I think they're starting to fill up even more and they win I think it's only gonna get going even more the location of it perfect Yeah, and if you win, I think people are gonna get behind it regardless. It's awesome. That's a beautiful venue, too
Starting point is 02:08:22 I think yeah, I'll be honest. I have not actually gone to anything. I only look at the parking lot of tenants, but Indian Nite, the tenants has been great. Indy Fuel too, hockey. It's been packed out for pretty much all of their games as well. Here we go. Indy's alive. Indianapolis Colts going to Berlin next year.
Starting point is 02:08:42 People say, well, would you stay? Saw that. I didn't say that. No, no, no, would you stay? Saw that I didn't say that no no I saw people I didn't say that people are saying maybe the Berlin Indianapolis Colts, and you think you're off over there. Oh me You know that's what yeah, I think some people's I was not saying that obviously They're gonna go over there. They're gonna do it You know no doubt and the Germans are a loyal family Bjorn Verne from over there former Colt obviously with the bro
Starting point is 02:09:09 Football bromance bromance football the football bromance show a huge part of growing the NFL over there So I think Bjorn deserves a massive amount of recognition alongside Everybody else in that particular show and the country of Germany being big football fans. Colts going over there for a game. One, two, maybe three Colts. Five, six. Loved you in Indianapolis. Let's never forget it.
Starting point is 02:09:32 Yes they are. It's much bigger than just those who are wearing the uniform at the moment. Bingo. You know. Sure. So no matter my thoughts on the situation, no matter anybody's thoughts on the situation,
Starting point is 02:09:43 the Colts will always be held in high regard. Yes. Now will people have faith in them? Certainly not. Not always. No, certainly not. City doesn't right now. We got shit to do too. There's a lot going on here.
Starting point is 02:09:54 We got any Ignite lightened up. Pacers are gonna be around in the end in the Eastern Conference. Well. Fever just launched a $78 million practice facility for Caitlin Clark and her team there. Is there gonna continue to only get better and better so the Colts need to
Starting point is 02:10:10 Does Indy have a new team in that new the new women's League that's kicking off soon. That's only down in Miami. I do believe there's only one arena the right right rivaled so many unwords Undisputed Unforgivable verse Unobtainable a universe obtainable unacceptable Unobtainable that's great that they've been trying to get that for a long time. There's another one of those coming out
Starting point is 02:10:44 Yeah, no one is coming. I'm sure I's gonna go watch it after what the second one was talk about just ruining an absolute try to tell you mean the whales was the second one not good the second one really yeah you've been not minding a lot of things I think you guys had effort you put effort in I appreciate it I respect it I like it once again I do like I do like that You two have that I do appreciate that you guys just respect and appreciate anybody making content like I like that Yeah, I wouldn't argue I think there's something that launched very recently that I very loudly did not like but I do think
Starting point is 02:11:18 But I do when it comes to those type of movies They're very hard to make and when they can you know know Maybe the second one wasn't great in comparison to the first but a lot of times that is what happens So you can't compare I don't compare it to the first one. I just look at it standalone. Is this a good film? We're talking about Avatar by the way, the unobtanium was everything that was underneath the tree out there and Nine light years away and Dora. I I mean that's the whole what we're chatting about but unrivaled correct is the three-on-three women's basketball league that is tipping off today weren't able to land Caitlin Clark or plum mmm right I believe yeah I don't think she's in either she's not but B stew and
Starting point is 02:12:02 everybody else is in part of this and they're getting paid good money. Mm-hmm, right? Yeah Correct from our interview with beast to about this. Yeah, their average is actually the average is higher than like the max for the WNBA They said bingo. Yeah, so we thought that it was a chance to maybe take over for the WNBA But one of the first questions whenever we talked to be stew goat Champion obviously with Liberty next to Sabrina and that school and team over there Was you got Caitlin Clark in there and they said we got a lot of great players Obviously we're going forward and that was does do you got Caitlin Clark over there was all was really the question that I had Turns out they do not we shall see how it goes without
Starting point is 02:12:40 Caitlin obviously Caitlin brought a lot of new eyes, as did her entire draft class. Obviously Caitlin's not just playing five versus zero, okay, in college, which is why everybody was watching. But you know, what it says, if you look at the stats, follow the ratings, there is a wagon. There's a massive draw. And it is, it's a good thing, not a bad thing for women's basketball, even though it felt like
Starting point is 02:13:04 for a while everybody thought it was bad for women's basketball. I think inevitably it'll's a good thing not a bad thing for women's basketball Even though it felt like for a while everybody thought was bad for women's basketball There's a I think inevitably it'll be a good thing and everybody will view it that way But I'm excited to see how a women's basketball league does without Caitlin Clark when Caitlin Clark potentially available for Three on three league. I think it'll do well. I think it's got guaranteed contracts here a few years with big investors So I think they'll continue to draw massive amounts of talent. Yep. And good luck to Beastu. I'm pumped anytime an athlete gets some ownership and does something.
Starting point is 02:13:31 So good luck to the unrivaled crew. Oh yeah. Something that we haven't talked about that we've kind of been watching all week was the Australian Open. Yeah. Oh yeah. What's her name? Danielle Collins.
Starting point is 02:13:43 My favorite tennis player of all time. Dog. I didn't know she's not brand new I did not know that she has been a tennis player for a while now went into Australia took on Australia's Bell of the ball, I guess one of them and they were letting her know about it the entire time She's talking her shit, huh? What? Huh? Why? That's what I thought Huh? What? Huh? Huh? Why, that's what I thought! How about that? That's, huh? Huh? Kiss! And then later she even do kiss my ass to the entire,
Starting point is 02:14:10 my ash to the entire crew. I like let her know she is my new favorite tennis player on earth. You go into somebody else's house and somebody else's trap and then you take over their trap and then you say kiss my ass. Yeah, I love everything about that. Then she did an interview afterwards, where she said basically,
Starting point is 02:14:31 hey Australia, thanks for the paycheck. You get more money. And then she walked out, I'm like, this is a heel. This is a heel through and through. And to win that game and live up to the moment, I respect and appreciate. What's her name? Danielle Collins.
Starting point is 02:14:44 I wish I could get a jersey. Yeah. Has she always been doing this stuff? Has she always done this? I don't know. I don't know either. This is one of those, maybe it was just last year for me, but like getting into tennis, especially as like
Starting point is 02:14:55 with the majors and when they kind of whittled down to the quarter finals and semi-finals, like it is awesome actually. And I have never really been a tennis guy till last year. Yeah, cause if you're not good, you're going to get exposed. And that's kind of awesome to watch, you know, I have never really been a tennis guy till last year Cuz if you're not good, you're gonna get exposed. Mm-hmm, and that's kind of awesome to watch, you know Yeah, and if you're good, there's at least yeah, like the guys the guys and girls who are at the top are nasty Yeah, we're sliding and shit. I mean there is a lot of drama lot of lot of drama It feels like the crowds are the most insufferable group of people, but out, you know
Starting point is 02:15:22 That's anytime they show the crowds Because you think to yourself man, that might be a fun thing to go to you know, cuz I don't know like the US open Then they show the go outs going to church. You got a clap. You can clap every once in a while I guess I'm like, I don't know if that's really our crowd Travis went Yeah, that's kind of more so Wimbledon I think I think Australia is pretty rowdy and like they talked about how the US open is like people are just getting hammered In the stands having a good old time. Yeah, I enjoyed I get down watch a little tennis and I didn't know about her Favorite tennis player. Yeah, I'm willing to say it favorite tennis player of all time dad even Finch Lynch Marty What's the fish?
Starting point is 02:16:03 Marty fish fish great golfer great guy love his moxie Second favorite tennis player of all time. He well said Djokovic came out and was like an Agassi Daniel Collins is Mac I wrote like hold on I'd like to redo it Joker's my favorite Because he started an entire medical plant bought an entire medicine facility for hundreds of millions of dollars Because he didn't think that he needed to get the jab. Because of this tournament. Because of the Australian, you know, because he put Joker at the top just because of how, is that right? He was. Love that. That was what Daniel Collins number two. Then we got Mr. Fish.
Starting point is 02:16:40 Marty Finch. Fish. Excuse me. you're right. Fish! We know! You're right. Marty Fish. Great untold. I know. Jenny's documentary. Jenny is Finch. She's a great
Starting point is 02:16:56 pitcher. She was great. So I apologize. Both legends. And if Jenny played tennis, I should be great. I would. Yeah, I mean that forehand. Holy fuck. Because you're supposed to check the watch. I couldn't even imagine accidentally serving it right into it.
Starting point is 02:17:14 And then boom, boom, checking that watch. Oh my God. Maybe she needs, Jenny Finch is not in my top four tennis players just yet. Top four softball. Yeah, definitely. Well, the entire four softball. Yeah, definitely. Well, the entire Oklahoma softball team. Of course. Because how they train me, that coach is awesome.
Starting point is 02:17:30 I remember Broken Arm. Paisan. Paisan name. Patty Gas. Gaso. Gaso. Patty Gaso. There it is.
Starting point is 02:17:39 Love everything about her. Love the Oklahoma. But back to tennis. We got Joker, number one we got Daniel Collins number two Marty fish number three and then I guess you got to have Mack sh Mackerel and Agassi good on the show yeah he would want to be in your top four. He fucking hates tennis No, he did one time dad made him hate tennis. Yeah now he's back to loving it again. Remember he loves pickleball Did he well he played that we go back around hated it. Yeah, who's the uh, Who's the uh?
Starting point is 02:18:21 Peace trainer obviously Jesus Christ. Oh, you know, That's so rude of me. But that's a tough, that's a tough, yeah. It's a tough, it's not favorite. It's two different things. Yeah. It's a different thing. Hey, thanks for just dominating the world for America.
Starting point is 02:18:32 We really appreciate it. Anna Kornikova. Sure. Is she an American? No, I don't know who that is. Russian. Sabalaka. Sabalaka right now.
Starting point is 02:18:41 That's Connor's favorite. Bring it. She's number one. That's just's favorite. Also bring it. She's number one. That's just what she do. She's bringing the bone to you. It's catchy, isn't it? It is.
Starting point is 02:18:52 It's pretty catchy. It's just like more schools get a shot to shine. You know? Should we? Down to two. Maybe Monday. Monday we'll run it back. Hey, I think we got a massive guest on Monday.
Starting point is 02:19:04 Nice. I think. got a massive guest on Monday. Nice. I think. Like very large guest. That'd be great. Somebody we've never had on the show before. Stature or size? I think somebody that hasn't done an interview in like eight years either. I think is the number.
Starting point is 02:19:18 Gumpy, you were there. Was that the number? It was eight years when everyone was talking about? Yes, sir. I believe. Eight years. I think. Nine, ten? Better come prepared. Seven? Yes sir. I believe eight years. I think nine, ten. Better come prepared then. Seven, yes. Yeah you better. Yeah. Me. We gotta bring. I'm always prepared. Don't fuck it up. We gotta bring the boom there. We'll be at the national championship of course
Starting point is 02:19:34 we're bringing the boom. Just like DoorDash can bring to you anything you need from our friends at DoorDash is available. You know the game with DoorDash is the way it is. Yeah. Every once in a while, one out of eight or nine. Okay? You're not going to get exactly what you ordered. It's going to be a little bit different because technology is involved, humans are involved,
Starting point is 02:19:55 ordering is involved, picking up, moving is involved. But other than that, DoorDash will show up for you 100% of the time, whatever you need from them. You want a plunger if you're AJ, just clogging up toilets all over the place, DoorDash can bring it. You need a pair of pants, shit, split my pants, shit my pants, whatever the case. DoorDash can bring you some pants. You need an iron? You got it. You also want some sushi? You want a little surf and turf maybe? Get a filet alongside of it? DoorDash got it. Five star
Starting point is 02:20:23 restaurants, no star restaurants, brand new brand new restaurants door dash restaurants that have ghost kitchens don't even serve anywhere other than door dash they got your back you can order pizza and more from the best seats in a house your house boom shot the door dash I love door dash the best I've given them so much money yeah yeah Yeah, I was thinking about that today. It's like the amount of times. What is that? Cat dine? Well now we wait. Fucking bone doing something. Animals in the ceiling?
Starting point is 02:20:56 Bone might be going for his sixth Mountain Dew of the day. Nah, he's no more pop, remember? Monday that starts, he's still sucking down an extra large Dr. Pepper this morning. Huh? Talk shit. I'll talk to the shit upstairs. That's not good. He should never be pooping up there. He shouldn't. With what he brings, which is boom! Every time he poops, he's bringing the boom to you. I put it on that plane I'm not a plane didn't go down with him Yeah in the back of that first first time I think he fell off get it do it first time on a plane like that
Starting point is 02:21:31 I would gotta go ahead and really territory Is that an obligation people feel him when I went to Europe and we're doing this castle tours which they kind of force you to Do because there's so many castles over there and it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool to watch the history I mean once you see one you basically see them all but I mean they are certainly awesome I did make a nice little thing. I'm good bathroom and all these things. Yeah, you know I mean just so I King Henry's castle I took a dump inside Like the Colts forced you to do the tour. I wasn't over there with the Colts. I was over there for soccer But it's just like basically an easy thing to do like hey, what are you doing on Monday?
Starting point is 02:22:02 Oh, here's a sightseeing tour. Go see this castle. And then when you see the castle, you're seeing also a river, a bridge, a whole thing, because where they are always located. That's just like an easy European day filler. And then you go eat in their little town and do all their little activities and then you go back to wherever you're staying. And then the next day, what are you doing? Oh, we're going to go see a castle in this town. It's different. And it's gonna be a different castle you're gonna do the whole thing and it is cool like all of it is cool you know it is because everything's so damn old it is so so so crazy so old it's
Starting point is 02:22:35 and I love how much passion the people seemingly have for it you know to like uphold it all they understand the tourism is the reason why said town is potentially doing great some people do the feeling that way. There's other Europeans I think that didn't want me there. Of course that happens. But yeah, I try to go to the bathroom, mark my territory and all these castles. Let them know I've been-
Starting point is 02:22:55 Was it a toilet or was it the old school, like a hole, like eight holes that just drops into the big pit? So I don't think Europe does the holes thing anymore. Japan had a couple of those where he had to grab the wall. Yep, poop pits. Yeah, just a hole in the ground. Those sound kind of awesome. One of those. Because you're kind of on a squatty potty. Yeah. Whatever. Those kind of lost some steam. What happened to those? Squatty potty? I think everybody started stubbing their toes off them whenever they were next to the toilet at night when they were going to the bathroom.
Starting point is 02:23:29 That's my personal experience. I don't know about everybody else's. I'll turn a corner. Boom! That's just what it do! It's literally right there on the right side of the toilet. It just stubs my toe. It's like, okay, I'm about done with this piece of oak in my bathroom just so I can poop a tiny bit better yeah they did have some good steam though going they
Starting point is 02:23:48 did have some good steam they did yeah first steamers yeah mm-hmm it's being good steam tick tock at it it did it's good did I just see a video of the CEO coming out saying we won't live we want to survive we won't work together we We want to drive Oh, he said that's oh really? That what he said I don't know and what's AI and what's not which is another masterpiece of the entire conversation I was I was speaking English or Mandarin. What's that? You thought the NFL PA thing was fake? No, that was my assumption with the NFL PA like hey, we can replace 150 people with two AI Let's talk about that. Did you know the NFL PA had at least 150 employees? Holy shit, who's paying for that the The money they're taking from all the players?
Starting point is 02:24:28 I assume, right? That's the first thing I thought of. 150 people you want to lay off or you're trying to like offer packages for them to leave and give them a year's pay. That's a ton of money to get rid of all these people. But how many total employees do you have? Yeah, who's paying? Whenever you up fees, hey, we need to up the fees because the war chests and everything we're doing for you. Nothing. Everything we're doing for you. We're going to take more money. Hey, you're going to want us though. Okay, let's show you a video. Let's tell you what it used to be like. Okay, used to be real bad. See these images? These are real images. See this? Dirt rolling around the locker room see that rabies infested
Starting point is 02:25:05 animals at your practice these guys had to work three jobs play football then we came in and we made it happen for them to make this an actual professional sport was it you or was it somebody back in the day or was it TV money as well that helped morph the game into a new dimension and tell me how you play into this you just kind of got dropped into this thing after it already started, or how are you hustling this entire situation? How are you making it better? Well, we're hiring, we're expanding, we're growing,
Starting point is 02:25:33 we need more money. Okay, I don't think you fucking do. We want that thing to be, you know, 100. That's why there's a new guy running it. So that's why this is probably a good thing. The new guy said, hey, we can, we got to become more efficient here. Finance guy, remember, if I can recall, he was a finance guy who has become the new NFL
Starting point is 02:25:50 PA leader. And I assume he looked at the P&Ls every single year and he looked at about 200 people and he said, we're paying them how much and what do they do? What exactly do you do here? And he said, get rid of them get a rid of them and I like that I think what we're doing is heading to much much much better place For the NFL PA which means much better place for the NFL as a whole I know I know that there is always gonna be an adversarial relationship between the players in the league
Starting point is 02:26:23 but adversarial relationship between the players in the league, but the way the NFLPA in my personal experience went about trying to do business was the dumbest I've ever been a part of in experience. I mean, and they gave away my name and my likeness and even Boomstick, whatever it was, the entire thing. Hey, we, uh, we got you an extra 25 cents a shirt. You're welcome. It's like, go fuck yourself.
Starting point is 02:26:43 Yeah. How about that one? How about just cutting me off at the knees basically from a business standpoint thanks NFLPA thanks for making my life better I appreciate that hey I've been tested eight times a month for like 25 straight months can you guys tell them to back off a little bit and then they text me three months later when I'm already out of the program you good okay? Okay. I am good now. Thanks. I am good now. 150 at least. Did you know there was even 150 employees? I had no idea there was 150. Should have expected that though. Where are they? I assume they're spread out around the country
Starting point is 02:27:16 or where like, where are they? The headquarters? New York? Google's telling me that the NFL Players Association has had had as of November 2024 Approximately 528 employees across various locations including North America Asia and Oceania Oceania these motherfuckers just stealing this money Wow, so they owe Panini the sports trading card company seven point eight million dollars And this is apparently what the leadership is doing to help pay back that money Allegedly not allegedly. This is what they're being reported as the fiscal year in 2024 They made four hundred and ten million dollars in revenue and spent three hundred eighty nine million in expenses
Starting point is 02:27:59 Steak dinners. Yeah, holy shit. I can't take them seriously a lot of fully baked potatoes. Yeah With the extra cheese. Yeah bacon load. Yeah, the little green onions thing. Yep chives, which I like I Don't mind them. I'm not getting a baked potato ever. But if I am I would like all that no sour cream though, please Where no, but I'll get the butter in there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah makes it up. Yeah to make what? Mashed potatoes bingo boom That's just what you do. All right, let's do our pixel. Let's get the fuck out of here Got nowhere to go tonight or tomorrow. How about it? How about it? How about it?
Starting point is 02:28:42 It's been a pretty wild ride break Break open the ice cream, baby. Yeah, I went to bed last night talking to Sam. She was like, where are you off to? And I'm like, I think I'm home tomorrow. Yeah, I am. Saturday too, home. It's been a fun run. Lucky to do it all.
Starting point is 02:28:57 We'll do it again, 10 times out of 10. And we only have one college game day left. I know. On the season. One college football game left on the season. Four NFL games this weekend, two the following weekend, then one, two weeks from that. Pro Bowl games too.
Starting point is 02:29:14 Royal Rumble. That as well. And Minneapolis. In between championship round and the Super Bowl. That feels like good timing for a magical event in a beautiful city. City was built for marks. It really was. It was built for Mark to host this type of event.
Starting point is 02:29:32 Where we say tone, they're still doing pro bowl games. Yeah, I think they're doing it during a week too. I think it's during a week and I think it rolls into Sunday. I need to full on thing. Can't wait. We may or may not have been asked to be a part of it. They suck It's kind of my lean
Starting point is 02:29:50 Whenever I gave my answer. Yeah. Yeah Love that we're celebrating it the people we would have to work with wise production wise Yeah, probably never gonna do that ever but also the whole thing. Do we want to? Do we want to act like we like it? Where's it at? Orlando, which is a beautiful place. Beautiful. Could go to Disney.
Starting point is 02:30:10 And I liked that they're trying to save the whole Pro Bowl thing, you know, so I appreciate that. I think some of the things are just, we're making a mockery out of the NFL here. Seems like this is a social media degree haver who doesn't know ball, thinking of ways to make football players look like doofuses but They're great football players. Mm-hmm. So that's good news. Sure. I think they're gonna make it better
Starting point is 02:30:30 I think they're gonna continue to make it better thought most AP voters go to that Don't they tone you to get eyes on the product that you voted in? That's a good point I don't even understand where that came from AP you're the one that's deciding Who's the MVP. Nothing to do with Pro Bowl. Best of the best. You don't vote for Pro Bowl? No just all Pro. Yep. I'm happy you guys don't vote for Pro Bowl. Yeah it's Mickey Mouse. No, no, no. I think ball knowers not that you're not. Not at all 50 AP voters. Sure. Who is the pro bowl players, coaches, fans?
Starting point is 02:31:07 Yeah. They should get refs in there too. If it was just players and coaches, yeah, I would have some respect as soon as you let fans vote. You lose interest. They lose all credibility. I voted. I voted too.
Starting point is 02:31:20 I'm a fan. You a fan? I voted. What the hell are you trying to say, Tony? Bill voted. You guys are technically fans, yeah, but You're a fan. I voted What the hell you trying to say don't you got no bill voted? Yeah, you guys are technically fans. Yeah, but you're not voted Me I remember it got attacked mitt did vote mitts a big fan. This is Jersey say to you says your mark a Exactly what we're talking about. Yeah
Starting point is 02:31:41 quadruple XL head coach Vrabel Jersey double Yeah. Quadruple XL head coach, Vrabel jersey. Double. With how small you've gotten, that thing looks like it is a tablecloth. Built for a Shercox session. I don't think I fully know what that means. It means your cocks can be sticking out the bottom.
Starting point is 02:31:55 Bingo. Yeah, like Daffy. Shercox. Precisely. I thought you were, I didn't know if that was the case because the length of it, I was trying to check it. I thought maybe you were going to tie that song bitch right here at the waist. Yeah. You know Yeah, make sure make sure it fits nice and snug
Starting point is 02:32:08 Ever see little kids go be sometimes before they go to bed. They're just wearing tighty-whities in a big t-shirt It's basically what he's doing. Okay, got it. There's no no whitey's Nothing mmm, maybe socks, let's pick our games. Just right there on your forehead. Dangling. First game Saturday 430 favored by 8.5 the back-to-back Super Bowl champions on a quest to do something nobody has ever done before. Even the incredible New England Patriots dynasty win three straight Super Bowls. To do that they're obviously going to have to win tomorrow against a Houston Texans team led by a young stud in CJ Stroud. With Nikko Collins back in the lineup he's opened up the offense for he in Sloic. D'Amico Ryan's leads a defense that has dogs across the board. They're playing their best ball. Lassiter Stingley on the outside have both gotten picks
Starting point is 02:33:03 very very recently and then Will Hunter and the Neil or DeNeil Hunter and Will Anderson jr. Absolutely game wreckers AJ eight and a half points spread KC Chiefs at home Joe makes it questionable. Is that correct for Texans? Do we know that? That's what it was reported, but he's definitely playing. Yeah, okay Well, yeah, he'll figure it out, you know, I've gone back and forth with this eight and a half does seem like a lot I know there's all kind of history going back with the Chiefs covering the spread or their lack thereof
Starting point is 02:33:34 I guess but I'm gonna take the Texans here in the points Wow That feels like a logical bet. What's the public doing on this game? I was plus eight and a half just because of what the Chiefs have done 55% of the Chiefs Okay Okay Let's go to The SeatGeek ticket pricing here just to see how much money it is to get into this particular game Texans at Chiefs
Starting point is 02:33:58 426 average resale price for this particular game Obviously, that's a lot of money not as much as the Commander's Lions game or the LA Rams Eagles game, certainly more than Raven's Bills which doesn't make any sense here. No sense. $30 off obviously use code PAT2025 at our friends at SeatGeek. You can be a returning customer or you can be a brand new customer and if you haven't used SeatGeek before you should get in there and try it. It is the greatest thing. I got tickets for everything including these playoffs and divisional round. Okay let's get back to the $426 ticket price. there and try it it is the greatest they got tickets for everything including these playoffs and divisional round okay let's get back to the 426 dollar ticket price can't see chiefs
Starting point is 02:34:29 favored by eight and a half Taylor's supposed to come here yes yes do we see that stat with Taylor in the building what they have been i think they're like 11 and 7 or something like that they've only lost three straight up and they've covered 11 out of 18. Yeah 11 and 7 yeah so 11 and 7 I believe was against the spread with her in the building. Give me the Kansas City Chiefs to kind of do what they did last year whenever they had to play the Bills on the road you remember they're doing snow angels and they're everything they kind of go crazy. Kelsey talking shit. Yeah the Chiefs is still the Chiefs I think that's what we need to remember. Eight and a half is a lot.
Starting point is 02:35:05 I'm scared to death to make this pick because I've lost so much money betting on the Chiefs and they never cover. So eight and a half is a massive number for them to have to cover especially against a red-hot Houston Texans team representing the AFC South. Thank you guys. Thank you guys for doing what you're doing. I appreciate everything you've done for the AFC South over the last few years, holding it down. I think they're a great team. I love everything about them. I just don't think they walk in the arrowhead and get a win. And I think this could easily be a two score game.
Starting point is 02:35:33 Yeah. So give me the chiefs. All right, let's go to the second game. Commanders, Lions, over under 55 and a half. Everybody thinks it's going to be a high scoring affair. Jayden Daniels is obviously a mobile quarterback in the Lions defense have not fared well against quarterbacks that can run. Terry McLaurin is a weapon, always going to be open even whenever he's not.
Starting point is 02:35:50 The defense for the commanders led by Dan Quinn, fly around, make plays. They're taking on a Detroit Lions wagon though. A team that has been at the top of the NFL all season long. Even whenever they lost every starter on their defensive side, they still won games games number one seed in the NFC for a reason Jared Goff Jameer Gibbs you name it Amon Ross Saint Brown who's the tight end? Sam LaMaporta so good yes where do you go school? University of Iowa feels like Iowa Iowa is tight end you it is. I mean we can have any other argument We want but it is Ben Johnson is this potentially his last game ever is the Detroit Lion How about Aaron Glenn is this his last game ever as a Detroit Lion three more games?
Starting point is 02:36:38 That's Evan Foxy three more games. You think you cover you said that you've envisioned an ass beating here for the Detroit Lions Yeah, I think we cover I think said that you've envisioned an ass beating here for the Detroit Lions. Yeah, I think we cover. I think there's a reason it's the most expensive ticket in town. People from Detroit, people from Michigan have been waiting for this. Our entire lives are finally the one seed.
Starting point is 02:36:54 We're finally Super Bowl favorites. It's gonna be so loud for a rookie quarterback to go in there and try to win a playoff game. So I think we control the clock, ground and pound, win this game. We got Montgomery back, so I'm feeling pretty damn good about this one. Okay, AJ, who do you like? How do you like it? So, I mean I love the Lions everything they do I think the Lions could absolutely win the Super Bowl
Starting point is 02:37:13 I know Pac-Man thinks that as well, but in this game I am taking the commanders nine and a half feels like a lot that place will be loud It will be rock and I'm sure kid rock will get that crowd You know all riled up pregame halime, whatever it matters, but give me commanders. I did hear there's Kid Rock performance pregame, halftime, and post show. Is that right, is Kid Rocks playing? Yeah, and that's why I think we're gonna win by about a thousand points. Yeah, that's huge.
Starting point is 02:37:37 Okay, we don't know if any of that is true. We do know Eminem's gonna be there. No doubt. I assume so. We do know the walkout is gonna be awesome. All time. We do know MC DC's gonna do his thing. We do know Anzaloni back. So good. Still all the way back. Changed everything for us. Aaron Glenn, he brought it how many times did he bring
Starting point is 02:37:53 it against the Vikings? 16 times or something like that. Yeah. Most out of any team in the entire season. Rookie quarterback, I know he can run well and I know Jayden Daniels has done a fantastic job But this defense shows a lot And they bring it and they're still bringing it. Yeah, I think the commanders have had a wonderful start to a new era a new year I think this could be a two-score game to give an alliance. Geez, Elise Bobby Wagner also very banged up, but they have said he is going to go no matter what. Bobby Wagner football. Just going to throw this out there as well. No punts in this game is plus 2,000. And the actual total for punts is six and a half.
Starting point is 02:38:35 So you can get under six and a half punts for minus 140 on this game. Okay, that's a great bet it sounds like. Especially with what the Lions do. They do not pump much. And even if they do have to punt, he's not going to. Fake punts don't count, right? No. No. Yeah, because even if there is a chance to punt, there's a chance both these teams will
Starting point is 02:38:53 actually just fake it and say, ha ha, you thought we were just going to give the ball back? Absolutely not. Go ahead, Tony. The commanders went for it four times last week. Okay, so under six and a half punts feels like a very solid, but then this also one of those games that could become such a G affair early that you just get mind blown So I'm not gonna necessarily gonna jump on that Gump. He's a good gumbler though. So he loves it Give me the Lions minus nine and a half to go back to our NFL players
Starting point is 02:39:17 Conversation I just got text from Phil. We got paid by the NFL PA this year Pat McPhee. $1.31. Dude. Don't spend it in one place. Where are we going to eat? I don't know, there might be a thousand things. There might be a thousand things that they sold money on at buck 31.
Starting point is 02:39:33 We're not 100% sure. Phil said this actually just came in. Check it out. And it's a payment remittance for $1.31. Nice. How do you even get to a buck 31? Their deals are such shit. 150 people laid off. There's another, how many did you say? All together. Was there five? 24 I said. Oh my God.
Starting point is 02:39:57 Let's get to the divisional round. LA Rams, Philadelphia Eagles, Eagles favored by 6.5 at home. Supposed to be 3 to 5 inches of snow. Can you pull up the weather graphic actually as we check out what the temperature will be? 32 at kickoff, the coldest it'll be is 31. It'll feel like 22 at times in that stadium. 10 to 11 mile an hour gusting winds in Philadelphia for the Johns out there. 3 to 5 inches of snow is the big story for me.
Starting point is 02:40:25 I like the Philadelphia Eagles minus six and a half, although I love Pukka Nakua coming on the show the other day and Matthew Stafford. I believe this particular weather plays into the hands of the Philadelphia Eagles with Saquon Barkley, that offensive line and who they have become this year, but I love what this Rams team has done. This is the division round. There's only eight teams left. All these teams are great. Pukinakua is an absolute dog. But I think this is the year Saquon Barkley has tried to prove that he is a difference maker. A game breaker.
Starting point is 02:40:54 Same with that offensive line. A lot of people talking about these ego teams not being able to do it, they say Jalen Hurts ain't able to do it. Well, I don't think that's what they're gonna rely upon. Young defensive line for the Los Angeles Rams. very, very, very, very good. This is not an understatement of them, but the run game and what they do over there in Stathland and the way they set things up.
Starting point is 02:41:15 It's a, it's a sight to see. I think six and a half point win could be done by the Eagles. I'll roll with the home Eagles minus six and a half. AJ, how about you? So I flip flop back and forth on this one even as you were speaking I'm trying to I guess go against my instincts on this one But when I first saw this game pop up, I started thinking about it I was thinking Rams just because I think six and half is a lot I think the Rams have a good chance to win this game
Starting point is 02:41:38 I think Stafford will be able to handle that cold weather. I'm taking the Rams here minus six and a half or plus six and a half Sorry. Yeah, I want to let you know all these big numbers. It's hard not to take them. Yeah. Cause I mean like you, especially with the Chiefs, the Chiefs against the Jags, I think it was two years ago, like they're winning by 14 the entire game. And then the Jags last drive, the Chiefs were just kind of like, Hey, keep everything in front of you. And then they only won by seven. Obviously vastly different because it's college ball, but Texas is going down to tie the game. Yes. Yeah. Jack Sawyer fourth quarter strip sack touchdown two score they win by 14 it's like that was not how that game. No. That's not how that
Starting point is 02:42:16 game was you know those things happen in ball. I've picked all the favorites you picked all the dogs I feel like an asshole going chalk in this entire thing will i continue bautimore ravens versus the buffalo bills in buffalo let's go back to the weather thing shall we i believe it's going to be very chilly it's going to be 19 degrees to kick off it'll get down to 17 it'll feel like it's 11 six to seven mile power wins not too shabby But we will have about an inch of snow gusting through Bill's Mafia I love the thought of Lamar Jackson in Baltimore Being able to get over the hump and win it all especially with the addition of Derek Henry was he the missing piece? I also love the thought of Josh Allen Was he the missing piece? I also love the thought of Josh Allen
Starting point is 02:43:03 basically having to put this entire team on his back and lead a young bunch of dogs to a promised land playing better football than they've ever played with a defense. I guess if you listen to Chuck Pagano and all the experts that are very confident in what they do, this is what we're gonna do. No matter who you are, we're gonna play nickel
Starting point is 02:43:21 and we're gonna do our thing regardless of the setup. AJ, how do you see this game going? As the Ravens are favored by one in Buffalo. Man, this is, I mean, this is a game that I think everyone's kind of circling. Like this could be an instant classic, no question. But the more I look at this game, I love the bills and what Josh Allen does, but man, I, I can't go against the Ravens right here in Lamar and Derek Henry and what they're doing.
Starting point is 02:43:44 So I will take the Ravens on the road minus one. Okay Connor. What was your question? I was just asked for the money was just because this game is so yeah It's it's one where I wouldn't know where the public you couldn't assume 50-50 tough I Don't like this wall It's hard love both. Yeah so much like so thankful for both these teams Yes for what they did for the NFL season. That's what I was thinking with the AFC
Starting point is 02:44:13 It's so crazy like during the Brady time like there was never a time where it was like this like every single year and Grinch not this year cuz burrows not in it, but like between my homes burrow Lamar Josh Allen like every year there's gonna be the conversation like one of them can't these two teams We've got a lot of friends in both buildings to a lot of friends in both buildings You know it It's the right Sounds but you yeah exactly special this year brother. He has been special this year, brother. He has been special.
Starting point is 02:44:46 I mean like, he's winning, he looks like a youth football. Where he's just putting a team on his back. Against NFL guys. You agree with that? That's literally what it has looked like on many games. Like this is a youth football where there's one kid that's more athletic and bigger and stronger and faster than everybody else. And he just takes over the game. That is what it has felt like with Josh Allen this year. Now granted is it different because Lamar is able to do the same thing and Derek Henry is able to do the same thing and Patrick Ricard is 280
Starting point is 02:45:12 pounds and Mark Andrews is all the way back into the swing and things and likely he's able to do shit that I don't think a lot of people give him enough credit for because of how athletic, powerful and dominant he is at the line. And he talk about 22X, Chuck was saying about them bringing in another tackle in there and just ram jam football against the Buffalo Bills especially with this weather. It's hard not to think that. Zay Flowers out for practice yet again, he's not going to play. I have a stat from at Williams and NFL against Steelers last week, the Ravens played just eight snaps with three wide receivers on the field yet
Starting point is 02:45:48 Pittsburgh played almost half their snaps in nickel which we talked about You know Chuck talked about in the Buffalo Bills and obviously the Ravens ran for 300 yards So will the Bills still stay in nickel all game long or not? We will see but just a little tidbit I think if the Bills stay in nickel the Ravens are gonna bring the boom That's just what they'll do they'll bring the boom to you yeah I'll take the Ravens I don't like it though that's hard one to pick that's fucked up that we gotta pick that game because you don't want either one to lose it's one of those thing yo I would like them both to be in next week and then the Super Bowl. Yeah, I like them both to be in a super It's not possible. It's like I'm actually very bummed out that we're gonna lose one of those things. Yeah
Starting point is 02:46:32 It's gonna be loud and Aaron talked about it. Yeah Aaron talked about it AJ. He was right. It's like Aaron's Aaron's had to build up the who cares Mentality after years and years and years of being murdered after a great season and not winning the Super Bowl So he's all jaded. I think whenever he talks about who gives a shit Sure, what any of these bucks say with a microphone, you know that he's kind of I think he's had to live through it So much that that is how he has had to frame it But there will certainly be a lot of noise on Monday whenever whichever team loses whichever quarterback is no longer playing And I want to let everybody know we don't think it's fair.
Starting point is 02:47:06 No, it's not fair. We love them both. It's not. We're thankful for what they did to this season. Amen. The performances week in, week out, the style of football, the way you went about doing your business, both of you. We appreciate you genuinely.
Starting point is 02:47:22 Now for Hard Knocks. Ravens lose, it's mm-hmm oh yeah so we know who NFL films for which we call Keith Josh let me go if I'm a Buffalo fed yeah I'm definitely spinning that yarn yeah we have some breaking news before we get out of here Adam Schefter has tweeted Information they told us this morning was potentially coming but wouldn't say on the show so He doesn't want to get it wrong. I can't get rock. You know the way he operates Titans haven't offered a contract yet, but they plan to try to hire, okay, Mike Borganzi.
Starting point is 02:48:07 Mike Big Brain Borganzi, the Chief's Assistant General Manager as their new General Manager per sources. Haven't offered him a contract, but they're going to try to hire him because he's currently in the middle of a dynasty run, a Super Bowl run with the Kansas City Chiefs. He felt obligated to put this tweet out for some reason I Don't know why because it obviously they're gonna try you never hear a chef for saying they're gonna try to hire So let's assume that they think it's close Maybe it's close to the sides haven't started negotiations yet But both sides want to get the deal done if they can per sources, okay So we're gone Z said I'm not focusing on that. We'll get away in Super Bowl, but
Starting point is 02:48:47 But yes, yes, we will we'll get with that at some point So Schefter probably felt like other people were potentially gonna get that information at some point I need to report it now thought he might have had that by the time we went live He did not now he's got more information feels good about it. Congrats to Pan bakanzi heading down to nashville to be the general manager now callahan's down there are they together how they feel about each other hopefully that's able to work out because nashville is a wonderful town who's our quarterback dinner pack said they're not looking for one they don't have one they got number one overall pick which is worth a lot if you were to trade out no matter what are you doing their stadium right aren't they renovating their whole stadium?
Starting point is 02:49:26 Oh yeah. Renovating the stadium I mean Nashville is like... Good spot. The GOAT. I don't yeah I don't I almost said it's the best city in America. It's up there. It's definitely top three. Definitely.
Starting point is 02:49:38 Just like cities I think they're so hospitable you rarely see bullshit I mean obviously there's certainly crime that takes place But that's a place where there's a lot of drunks Having a great time celebrating a lot and very rarely does it turn into a fucking you know Pittsburgh's a great time. Okay. I used to vacation in Pittsburgh. Yeah, that's what my offseason was but everybody gets boosted up you got Yeah, you gotta you gotta keep ready. You gotta be on.
Starting point is 02:50:06 Nashville feels like a good time all the time. Every time I've been there. Awesome. And then the people that live there, awesome. Every person I've met that lives in Nashville is like awesome people. So I think that's a beautiful city. I hope the Titans get going.
Starting point is 02:50:17 Cause they're a fan base. And the people that sing the national anthem at those games are like megastars. We used to play down there every year. And it was just like, ah, here's a Grammy award winner, Grammy award winner, megastars we used to play down there every year and it was just like I was a Grammy award-winner Grammy award-winner megastar singing the national anthem. It's like that place could be awesome. I hope they choose to do that I hope it ends up happening. All right, let's get the hell out of here. We made our picks. We'll be back Monday We'll be live from Mercedes-Benz Stadium. I believe.
Starting point is 02:50:40 College game day set shout to the ESPN people setting it up for us. Yeah Con man stealing the trophy. It's mine! I think it's for all the marbles. It is for the marbles. Countdown to one. The thing that sucks, the loser of this game just was distracted by the transfer portal and the NIL thing that everybody else
Starting point is 02:51:02 has been able to take advantage of and you end up with nothing. and everybody will celebrate the other team. So you're about a month and a half behind everybody else? Yeah. Trying to do what you are for next year? That's why GM is so important now. Very much because you got to focus on what tomorrow is as opposed to what's going on right now.
Starting point is 02:51:18 I think that's interesting. I think they're going to have to figure out the schedule and the calendar. Yeah. April 8th. All of it. Yeah. Because the best teams shouldn't be behind me. Like that's not you should be punished And I'm just speaking I haven't done full research on what the answer is I am a solutions guy as opposed to just always pointing out the problem So I will try to get one of those at some point
Starting point is 02:51:38 But you shouldn't be punished for being good or great. No, like that should never go That should never be the case. No. Like that should never go. That should never be the case. Will they ever figure it out? April 8th. Did you hear about the something? There was a big ruling that affected the April 8th ruling. From current administration, what
Starting point is 02:51:59 will that look like in a week, actually, in this entire thing? I think that whole thing is a big question mark as well on what it's going to look like. I just have to comment, during their meeting at the 2025 American Football Coaches Association Convention, which Bill kind of talked about a little bit when he was on one of these last two weeks, the coaches supported to move it to a single portal window
Starting point is 02:52:20 from January 2nd to January 12th. They should move it to April. They should just keep the April one. January 2nd to January 12th is They should move it to April. They should just keep the April one. January 2nd to January 12th is still one they're playing the college football. One day after the semis, or no, no, the quarters. They should keep the spring one. They should get rid of the middle of season one.
Starting point is 02:52:36 They should keep the spring one, personally. But everybody's gonna say get a spring ball in in the summer and do that whole thing all right Spring one two semester score. We're not thinking about that. No kidding. No I Thought that's what we were thinking about no we are not Thinking about school That's just what they do about that case You're talking about that case. You're talking about the case.
Starting point is 02:53:05 That case. You're talking about the case, Ola. How much you think Borganzi's getting down there to be a GM? What is a GM number? Do you see us gross Shafty on his Kevin O'Connell projections on his contract? He's like, high end guys get 1920, 17, 18, 1920. Kevin O'Connell probably get 11.
Starting point is 02:53:23 It's like, guy won 14 games. What are we? Why is Shepty doing that? Shepty hamstringing him publicly too. Well then he caught himself. He's, I'm not, I'm sorry. I'm not negotiating against Kevin O'Connell. Get everything you want. I'm just telling. 35 years of experience. This is what I'm expecting for his second deal. So it's almost like, it's not your performance. It's how long have you been? It's almost like you graduate almost to those is what he was kind of alluding to. McVeigh gets like 20. But also he every single year is like, I might go do TV. They just offered me 30 million a year.
Starting point is 02:53:56 Yeah. That was a wild time. Eventually he will eventually hopefully McVeigh does go to the booth because I think he will be great on TV. Ken Kerr, same with Kevin O'Connell. Yeah. Same with Mike Tomlin. Ohr, same with Kevin O'Connell. Yeah. Same with Mike Tomlin. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 02:54:08 Same with Mike Vrabel. He's never leaving coaching, so don't worry about that. Chris Ballard will be great on TV. Yeah. Eight years. Are we going to do it this year or not? I mean, we're in the same boat. We're literally in the exact same boat here.
Starting point is 02:54:31 I mean, you've had your, now Chris Greer has been in Miami forever. Yeah, but you're in a worst boat gun because anytime we bring up like that team's kind of soft. It's like kind of similarim a little or two. Yeah. Who was it? Who was the team of super soft? Who would be affected by the cold? What was that one team? Oh, the Finns.
Starting point is 02:54:52 Yeah, it was the Dolphins. Dolphins. It's way worse. That is a shame. We had a guy that tapped out because he was tired and nobody really talks about it. No? We apologize for that. We apologize that you guys are that.
Starting point is 02:55:01 I mean, you got to fix it, right? You went into Green Bay, lost. Went into New York last game of the year and lost. You know, just stunk. I mean you gotta you gotta fix it right you went into Green Bay loss went to New York last game of the year and lost You know just stunk. I mean well McDermott. Thank you Whoever they hired New York and then McDaniel. I Know who's coming out alive. Yeah playoffs to the last three years Hi, let's get out of here Tony you want to win some people some money or no Yes, yeah Boom! All right, let's get out of here. Tony, you want to win some people some money or no? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:55:26 Yeah. We do. We worked on it this morning. Really? Because you're throwing? Was it because you were worried I was going to do this or just because you wanted to work on it for your personal? No, we were just throwing a bit.
Starting point is 02:55:35 I was fucking spinning it. So. So fucking throw one in that hoop, Tony. All right. Here we go. He pulled one in the hoop? Yes, he did. You pulled one in the hoop already?
Starting point is 02:55:44 Yeah. Okay. So you took the? Yes he did. Drilled it. You pulled one in the hoop already? Okay, so you took the top off? Yeah, tops off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Chuck, I would like to let everybody know Immediately after the show ended Chuck threw a football right into that hoop right over there. Yeah, I believe it. Soon as the show ended literally bank swish would have been 50. Sick of that gimmick. Yeah, me too. I'm kind of bummed out about it Yeah, Tone D I'm kind of bummed out about it. Yeah. Tone Diggs, happy Division All-Round weekend. Happy Division All-Round weekend. Happy Feel Good Friday. Happy Feel Good Friday.
Starting point is 02:56:11 Why don't you win 30 people $500 by putting that football into that hoop right over there. Go ahead Tone. No, remember what we worked on. That's it. Remember what we worked on. We're not doing any more of that. Tony, you're falling away. Step into it.
Starting point is 02:56:26 I told him it's over. I did that for Tony, his friend. Appreciate that. OK. All right, fair enough. Fucking drilled that west. Maybe throw one left-handed, Tone. We worked on it.
Starting point is 02:56:36 That's what it looked like. That's the problem. As soon as this guy opened his mouth, talk about working on it earlier, there was no chance. Yeah, but Tone, like, I just wanted to watch. Tone? Tone, I have great faith in your athletic ability okay personally I've seen you do magical things both on a football and baseball
Starting point is 02:56:49 that was a lot of time ago agreed for all of us but AJ just said maybe you should throw with your other hand that's how bad those throws were well AJ's an asshole no that's always that's my first if I miss right hand I'm gonna throw it lefty I throw decent left Better pray to god. He doesn't make this tony. Oh, yeah He got it God I always think tim tibbo. Yeah, when I go literally in my head right there. I was like what would tim do? That's how like because I feel like he was a righty maybe yeah might have been I feel like the
Starting point is 02:57:25 Just like kind of two of they have the conversation about to it like to it was forced to be a lefty and that entire thing But the way Tim threw is either he was too jacked He wasn't able to get the full fluid motion or he was he's right-handed potentially right-handed But nonetheless want to play off game any NFL is quarterback lefty. How about whenever he was just jacking bombs? Killed Robin home runs. What's your right ear lefty and baseball lefty lefty. How about whenever he was just jacking bombs? He could kill them. Robin home runs. Was he a righty or a lefty in baseball? Lefty. Lefty.
Starting point is 02:57:49 Massive, too. I wanna say he threw right-handed though. In baseball? Yeah. I don't remember. I'm pretty sure he did. His throwing style was like not very, it was very robotic.
Starting point is 02:58:02 It wasn't like a fluid. Yeah, cause he came down. That was that whole documentary. It was kinda long. He had that long motion. No, he dropped. They't like a fluid. Yeah, because he came down. That was that whole documentary. It was kind of that long motion. No, he didn't left it. They were working on it. They tried to change his motion. Do you remember that? Yes.
Starting point is 02:58:12 And the balls were just thrown into the ground. It doesn't happen. You can't do that. Oh, yeah. Not wholesale change. Josh, what about- No, but he didn't wholesale change his whole motion. He tightened it up and made it more efficient. He didn't like, hey, we need a whole new throwing motion.
Starting point is 02:58:24 I think Lamar went right here with it. I think somebody told him like hey, probably three quarter is where you're supposed to be You see a lot of his like dimes. It's like I'm real. I'm real He's feet don't have to be set and that dude can just on a laser. Yeah, Patrick Mahomes He has an interesting throw as well Yeah, Patrick because it doesn't look like he should have a strong of an arm as he has but he has whatever you need in it Yeah, he has whatever you need. We need this thing to be 60 yards. We need this thing to be 20 yards. He's got it in there He's great. How's Jordan love Jordan loves like a Got a sidearm gunslinger. Yeah, he is a little bit. He's got a cannon
Starting point is 02:58:57 He does have a can and his big thing though. This year was same thing He was throwing falling away all the time wasn't really setting his feet So hopefully, you know, who knows, maybe Dan Orlovsky will fix that next year. Why you? For fun, Connor, Connor, where you at? What's that? Where'd you go? Do you want to showcase the back of that jersey?
Starting point is 02:59:14 No, no, I thought, I thought, I thought someone back there was big on the back. Why you laughing? No, no, no, what are you, what are you talking about? You don't think Dan-O can fix that? I think he can, I just want him to stay a hundred miles away from Drake May, that's all. Drake is so weak. I'm a huge fan of Dan-O fix that? I think he can. I just want him to stay 100 miles away from Drake May. That's all.
Starting point is 02:59:26 He's so weak. I'm a huge fan of Dan O. I want him in the league. Chavtee said today he's 41. He might be a head coach at 45. Okay. Okay. What's your problem?
Starting point is 02:59:36 I want to see it. I want to see it. Dan's got all friends that are great coaches. Oh, okay. He has all the knowledge in the world. He has a passion. They just beat Bowen Gunnar the other night in fucking hoops. They did.
Starting point is 02:59:49 So you know what? Maybe he should coach the Spurs. I don't know. Is Pop giving that up? Is he still a coach down there? Pop's sick. Yeah. What do you mean?
Starting point is 02:59:58 He had a stroke earlier in the year and he's been sidelined. Really? Yeah, actually. Really? For shoot. I didn't know it was a stroke. Geez, that's pretty serious. Yeah, they said small stroke. I believe T's Paves Wemby, but Orlovsky might come in there and well Chuckins Chuckin Dan. Yeah
Starting point is 03:00:12 Chuckin Dan. Yeah, he's the head coach. Chuckin Dan All right Don you want to step back up to the plate or what? No. Fire. Come on, Tony. We step into it, man. You made it when you did. I don't think so.
Starting point is 03:00:25 It's been enough time now where nobody even remembers. I don't know if that should happen. Fire. Come on, Tony. 30 people, 500 bucks on your shoulders. Come on, Tony. Step into that thing. All right, all right.
Starting point is 03:00:34 Don't fall away like Jordan Love. We only got two balls left anyway, so really what's the worst that could happen? It's already been bad enough. You fucking nailed the West Virginia helmet. You did. Step right in. Ladies and gentlemen, Tonye Diggs here.
Starting point is 03:00:46 Grew up on Hylia Drive in Pullman. We do have some deflated footballs around here. We got a Patriots fan. This got disproved. In 2014 it happened. In 2015 they were like, we should start looking into this and check the PSI before games and after games. And guess what they found out after all those games oh the thing that happened in 2014
Starting point is 03:01:06 happens in every single fucking game and I got released after the fact but no one talks about it because it's not fun and cool and hip look for softballs this weekend as we got three cold games one game at dome those are a little bit softer they do not keep them fully inflated for whatever reason I know with those big old mitts you like that thing to be nice and thick but nonetheless you're gonna put that baby duke 2.0 into that hoop right over there And if you do 30 people will win $500 See step see
Starting point is 03:01:37 Committed I know don't have ears in but he doesn't feel fully committed he was AJ Sam much like that Bigfoot hunting trip, feels like you don't believe enough. And that's why this has been a fruitless experience for the last few times. Let's make this a fruitful giveaway. Come on. Let's go ahead and put that ball
Starting point is 03:01:54 into that hoop right over there. And win 30 people! Oh, that's the spot though. That was the line. Holy shit, that was your best throw yet. Stepping into that thing finally. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the final ball. This is the Baby Duke 1.0.
Starting point is 03:02:09 This is the original. It's a little fatter design. Much harder to find if you want to sell it to people though. They only made a limited amount of these balls. They are certainly magical. Not as magical as the Baby Duke 2.0, but this particular ball could be magical for 30 people. Who could win $500. If AP Toner is able to put that ball into that hoop right over there going into the weekend
Starting point is 03:02:29 I just feel good Friday. Let's make it a feel great Friday He's an AP voters is a pro guy It's been that do maybe punt one in in that Duke don't in that do yeah Speech about not quitting, but he was pretty matter-of-fact there. Yeah. All right. What about the Russell Wilkibow? I was going to give him a speech about not quitting, but he was pretty matter of fact there. Yep. Yeah, I'm OK with being done with this. The whole Sommie Dance and Pony show.
Starting point is 03:02:51 I'm trying to feel good for him, too. It's only getting worse by the throw. What about tennis ball? Come on, Tony. Lost the tennis ball. Yeah, you got that. Yeah. Yeah, you got it.
Starting point is 03:03:02 And I hope. Yeah. 50 people, $500. Holy smoke. Oh, Yeah, you got it. And who? Yeah. 50 people. $500. Holy smoke. Oh, that's a little sharp. Sorry I made you do that. Sorry I made you do that. Give me the baseball. Give me the baseball.
Starting point is 03:03:14 Wow. Shattered a backboard. Let's get that line. He wants to do more though. Tony wants to throw more. That's good. You can door dash your food. You can get tickets to SeatKick.
Starting point is 03:03:22 You can drive a Ram truck. You should wipe your ass with dude wipes. And if you smell like ass, you should use Dove Men's Care Whole Body Dio, available now. They are women's too. You should eat Pizza Hut. I doubt. And you should have the greatest weekend of your life. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice, it might change their life. We're in this thing together.
Starting point is 03:03:45 Boys, great work this week, everybody. Hey, good work. You too, good work. Talk. You know what, talk. Why don't you? Yeah. Talk.
Starting point is 03:03:53 Will you come out here and join us? Talk for a team. Please, I wanna see how he walks. I haven't seen him walk that much. It's time for us to eliminate him. Have you ever heard him walk? Well, I watched him fall down that window back there one time.
Starting point is 03:04:04 That was pretty amazing. Oh, OK. I see what you're talking about. I get it. And you can't even hear it. You can see it. Your eyes are telling you what it sounds like. Heel first. Heel first, too.
Starting point is 03:04:11 Oh, yeah. He's a heel. That's what makes it loud. This could be the last day that you ever talk. Sunday, the Supreme Court said it's over. So you might be reals on Monday, but the talk era has been stupendous. Great work out of you.
Starting point is 03:04:24 Thank you for taking this particular program to different levels, to different generations, to different platforms. Thank you for helping us out in the TikTok era. It's been a pleasure. We had a great run. We did. What's next? Who knows?
Starting point is 03:04:38 Anything. Death. Death. No. No. Eliminate him. China. Bill, bring out your gun. No. Eliminate him. China.
Starting point is 03:04:46 Bill, bring out your gun. No. Nobody's killing you. Are we sending him to the Forbidden City? No. He had his family. His mom texted him yesterday and said, are you getting fired? No.
Starting point is 03:04:55 No. No, you're not. That's really happening. That's partly on me because I told her like, hey, guess who's moving back home? Why'd you do that? Your favorite boy is coming home. Why'd you do that? I love his mother. I love his family. I appreciate his friends. I appreciate him We'll just move right into the reals era brother. Okay, and then maybe even some long form editing for the Emmy award winner
Starting point is 03:05:14 Okay, okay. Yeah. All right, can you do long form? He did a couple of them. Yeah, what about shorts? That could be a good nickname YouTube short. Oh, yeah Yeah, shorts. Yeah, it's not shorts. Yeah, still think goofball is the good one boy. Don't be once call you goofball I don't think that's fair goofball golf. Thank you. Thanks. Come no problem. He's just a goofball That's your name. Good. I heard you're a pretty good golfer though. How are we got 150 right down the middle only when it matters When the lights are bright, no, no, you gotta stay, gotta stay, gotta stay. Put your ass up there for fuck's sake. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice, it might change your life. We're in this thing together, no matter what your
Starting point is 03:05:51 nickname or platform is. Team on me. Team on three. Put that thing up. Team on me, team on three. One, two, three. Team. Oh, God.
Starting point is 03:06:05 Goodbye.

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