The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1287 - Chuck Pagano, Bill Belichick, Andy Reid, JJ Watt, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: January 29, 2025

On today’s show, Pat, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys discuss everything happening around the NFL world as we prepare for Super Bowl LIX before making way for four great guests. First, former Head Coach of Indianapolis Colts, and new Senior Secondary Coach for the Baltimore Ravens, Chuck Pagano joins the show to chat about how the opportunity came about, how long it’s been in the works, and why he’s been so thankful for the last few years. Next, 8x Super Bowl Champion, the GOAT, and current Head Coach at North Carolina, Bill Belichick joins the show to chat about preparing a team for the Super Bowl, how much experience matters, and what teams who didn’t make the game are kicking themselves about over these next few weeks. Next, 4x Super Bowl Champion (3x as Head Coach), and current Head Coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, Andy Reid joins the show to chat about preparing for the Super Bowl against the Eagles, his relationship with Spags, what kind of challenges Philly’s defense presents, what makes Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce so special, and his thoughts on how much experience matters during the Super Bowl. Later, future first ballot Hall of Famer, 3x DPOY, and current analyst for the NFL on CBS, JJ Watt joins the show to chat about the Super Bowl matchup, why it’s easy to feel bad for Josh Allen, what he thinks of some of these new coaching hires, and to get under AQ Shipley’s skin a bit. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’ll see you on Monday. Enjoy the games. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode the Thunderdome on this coach Andy Reid Wednesday January 29th 2025 this program starts now Football! It's wonderful and today we have a lot of great football conversations right around the corner we have Chuck Baganu joining us in about 10 minutes yes Chuck Baganu the former head coach of the Indianapolis Colts a man Who had spent 36 years of his life coaching football 18 in college 18 the NFL now it is official He'll be back coaching with the Baltimore Raven

News was broke yesterday We will obviously miss the hell out of Chuck Baganjo on this particular program But we're incredibly happy that he's back in the game and the sport in the league that he loves. We'll chat with him in about nine minutes or so to see how this decision come about. Was it because he hated Connor so bad? Is it because he hated this or is it because he missed the game? All these football guys, all of them, basically have a yearning to get back in the game. That's why you're seeing 70-plus year olds get head the game. That's why you're seeing 70 plus year olds

get head coaching jobs. That's why you're seeing Bill Belichick go back to UNC. That's why you're seeing Chuck who is at the age of 64 going to be a senior secondary coach because they just love it, they can't live without it. I think we were able to scratch the itch for Chuck there for a bit when he would travel out here, experience a little bit of team,

but now he's getting back into a building, back into a program, back into a franchise that he knows very well and respects very well, and I cannot wait to see how he does over there. So, you know, if you count Kyle Van Noy, which Kyle would like us to do as such, and then you obviously do the math with Lambeau and Bill and now Chuck, it does feel as if a lot of the people that we talked to on a regular basis are getting jobs back in the sport That they love a football and we would like to say we're incredibly proud of them Congrats to all the boys getting back out there the talks tables here at Boston Connor and that type of man con man Do you think this is your fault potentially? Yeah a little bit, but also you know that old man

He doesn't want to be home You know we've heard what he does at home and sure there are fleeting moments of very, very fun syrup filled adventures. But I feel like in this sense, Charles just loves the game. I mean, Pagano, I believe his brother used to coach there or is still there. One of them's in Washington. I'm not sure if he's still in Baltimore or not, but it does feel as though it is one of those situations where Chuck just loves coaching ball. I mean, he would get going here when he would start talking about the games and it feels like now he's back with Baltimore who he mentioned you know recently hey this team can win it all the secondary all of it it's just a perfect situation for Chuck. It is exciting to add coach Chuck Pagano to our defensive staff and continue

to develop and grow our young talented secondary. Chuck brings a wealth of knowledge, experience, and coaching talent to our team. He has deep ties to the program and is excited to get to work. Let's go to nine year NFL vet and the man who played every position in the secondary, corner, safety, and nickel, host of everything DB, good D, bad D, Darius J. Butler. D. Butch.

D. Butch, you obviously played for a team that Chuck Pagano was the head coach and obviously he and you had great moments together In the film room on the field in practice you get it What are the Baltimore Ravens getting out of this old-ass man who's now a senior secondary coach? A guy who loves ball and he never you know, he's one of those guys who never leaves the game even when he was here He was still you know looking over the injury report and the weather and the refs and all the different intricate details that guys would do that or wouldn't do when they were on TV he still

had that coaching it I'm glad he got back in there and being a senior DB coach I'm not sure exactly what that title will be but I'm glad he's back in there back in the building doing he loved he's 64 years old the secondary coach is 60 years old geez wait so I don't know if that's a junior. Four years is enough to be a junior and a senior. Will he be calling the other guy a junior? Will he be called senior around the building? We don't know what all his job title will be, but we will chat with him in about six, seven minutes, which leads us to 12 year NFL veteran Super Bowl champion player coach. Is he he gonna get back into the coaching ranks? Whoa, AQ Shipley is here Hey, you know, there's some coaching staffs that still need to be filled Are you thinking about getting the whistle in the in the visor back out and maybe go in the coach a little ball again? Hey, I am NOT the those that itch is not scratching anywhere on my body at all. You don't have that itch is what you're saying

Yeah, that's exactly right. I have no ambition whatsoever to get back into it right now. All the words are in there, but the message is clear. Yeah, you do not have the itch to get back into coaching. You're okay with not having to fix printers and fax machines at about 5 a.m. in the morning and all that. Not one bit. Chuck's going into a senior role, senior secondary role.

I think obviously his respect for John Harbaugh is a big deal. John Harbaugh's respect for him is a big deal, but I think all the things that D-Bud talked about were the amount of notes he was taking. He was still acting as if he was a coach. Just like Bill Belichick has been acting like he's still a coach. Just like Lombardi for the last year has been acting like he's a general manager. These guys can't get away. They can't and they they focus on the things other than just the tape. I think DB and I love to watch the tape but I'm not checking the weather,

I'm not checking the stats, I'm not checking the injury report, I'm not doing that, I'm just watching the tape. I like to watch the tape, I like to break down ball, I like to break down everything and all the different schemes and stuff like that but he's doing that and he was literally focusing like he's the head coach or like he's running a room. That's real. He really has been like he joined that 33rd team because they get a call every single wednesday with the lead Officials to know what the point of emphasis is going to be for this like all these guys You know and they try to be cool whenever they want i'm gonna go and join my family

I'm gonna join my family i'm gonna be grandpa, you know that my grandkids always wanted and it's like no you're not You know that my grandkids always wanted and it's like no you're not no you're not you're an old dog You're a senior dog. You literally have no chance to join Learn new tricks they I think there's like a week maybe I think there's like a two-week period Where they kind of hands off and that's the same amount of time basically in the summer when it that they get off They're able to turn off but once that gets into like three weeks four weeks a month They just go right back into their Old routines and they can't help themselves, you know We've been telling Chuck and I've been talking to Chuck off air a lot about when are you getting back into this?

When are you getting back into this thing and he he was looking at some of the head coaching candidates or a coordinator positions he was like, maybe I Maybe I should maybe now is the time I'll be incredibly like um Fascinated by when he thought was gonna be the time like last year Did he think was the time but he wanted to delay it? You know and how's miss tina feel about him getting back in it? He's gonna say that she loves it because he's out of her hair yet again in this entire thing

But I am pumped to kind of get the mindset behind chuck getting back into the gig I was gonna say you nailed it on the head. Listen, it sounds great You want to spend a lot of time with your family? You want to be at home a lot speaking from experience? I love my wife. I love her love a Weekend I need a break. She needs a break like we need to be apart at some point I've not been married long enough. I think ten years on ten years almost Wow But I would like to say congratulations to both of you for that but it is That's a very normal thing like I think military relationships are similar

Yeah You know any job that involves like people being away and then coming back and then whenever it's all of a sudden you're back In there the family like harmony is just the house harmony is just complete. So what so now you're just here, right? That's okay. We've had this thing figured out for 20, 30 years. Now you're going to drop in, you got all the answers. I don't think so. And I think that plays into a part of it as well. I think it's just, I think it's good for Chuck Soul that he's got back out there. Now, before we get Chuck, let's talk about another coach. Older coach has made decision. Mike McCarthy, Yinser, former head coach of the Dallas Cowboys

and obviously the Green Bay Packers. He has pulled his name out of contention for the New Orleans Saints gig So as Cliff Kingsbury, but the reason why Cliff Kingsbury is a little bit different than Mike McCarthy Cliff Kingsbury still getting the head coaching contract. He's still getting paid from a guaranteed salary Everybody was trying to compare Cliff to like Ben Johnson all these other people He he's still getting paid from Arizona Cliff is still getting a big old paycheck So he's gonna stay with Washington Mike McCarthy now has a year off. What's big Mike going to do next year? Maybe he joins the program. I don't know how he feels about us. I don't think I've ever got a chance to chat with him. He is a Yenzer. So he was raised on the same waters that

we were around here. But big Mike McCarthy point out. why do you think it is this is time do you think he wants to take a year break do you think you looked at the situation in New Orleans and said this is not a desirable thing for me to potentially get into yeah I think so I mean we we had Chetty on a couple days ago and he you know usually he wouldn't say something like that but he was like let's be frank like this isn't the greatest situation or maybe it wasn't Chetty someone said that very recently to us that like you look at their cap, maybe it was Dan Orlovsky said it actually yesterday. He said, you look at their cap situation, they kicked the can down the road, down the road, down the road. And like now it's here.

So if he, Mike McCarthy will have opportunities next year again. They don't know what's going on with Derek Carr. They're kind of in that position where they got to like a full rebuild is kind of coming there soon. So I don't know if you would want to go from the Cowboys job where it's like you have all this scrutiny. If he's gonna be one of those top line guys next year, which we assume he will be, being a former Super Bowl champion and kind of getting Dak to play the best football of his career, like it actually worked out pretty well for him last time he took a year off. He did the McCarthy project. He duped Tom Pelicero, you know,

he was in his basement or in his bar doing all that stuff. Like why not? Cause we re we have no idea what jobs are going to become available next year. Like what if the, you know, Dolphins job becomes available or something like that? You know, I mean, you just, you have no idea what situations might be a lot more

desirable than New Orleans. So why not take a year off? One half of the hammer, done. Cowboys, Bubba Gumpino, Don has said yes back there. What's that all about? I mean, it's a make or break year for McDaniel. We all know that. You gotta win a playoff game.

You promised us you were gonna win one this year on the show. Came on here, told me you were gonna do it. Didn't do it. We gotta win one. 25 fucking years. We gotta win a playoff game. Okay, so Ty, you say maybe the Dolphins open up,

Gumpy's back there saying, yeah, it is gonna be up, but there's numerous jobs every single year, 7 to 10, 6 to 10 every single year. Mike McCarthy, we assume, will get an opportunity in the next coaching cycle, which is what he's assuming as well. Good luck to him. I hope he enjoys his life.

And we will certainly be reaching out to see if he would like to join us one day a week. We have some openings you know some people have gotten back into the game that they love. Ladies and gentlemen joining us now is a guy who I was incredibly lucky to have as a head coach at the Indianapolis Colts. A man that we have all become very close friends with and a man now who is the senior secondary coach for the Baltimore Ravens. Ladies and gentlemen, coach Chuck Pagano.

Yeah, coach! Coach, how you doing? What's up, boys? Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. Let's go! Look at this guy, he's glowing! Wow! This is just like whenever we had Bill on

that first week after he signed back with UNC, you could tell that his life was full again. It was like he was the happiest he had been. Chuck, congratulations on the Ravens gig. My first question would be when did you start to kind of consider to get back into coaching? You know we've chatted ad nauseum about and we started the show with you know you football guys this is kind of what your life is. It is ball. You've been acting as if you're a head guy basically this entire time you've been retired. You show up here you have

three notebooks full of notes. you're in calls early in the morning with the 33rd team. You've been acting as if you're still in the league while you've been out of it, but when did you decide, you know what, maybe I should be getting back into this thing? Probably the day I retired. They walked away in 2020 to be honest. I've always thought about it, Pat, and being around you guys and doing the gig with you and the 33rd team and then hanging around Boise State, the coaches here, Pat.

It's always been in the back of my mind. It just had to be the perfect situation. And obviously, I'm very, very familiar with that organization. That had a ton to do with it. The role is absolutely perfect. Really not dying to be a head coach again and have all that responsibility, a coordinator, all the pressure that comes with that. Just an opportunity in this role to go help John and this organization and that defensive

staff Zach Gore, they've got a great staff over there. So the role is important. Obviously people, people matter. I know the people in that organization from the top down. It's the gold standard Steve Bishadi Ozzie who's the you know was the GM Eric de Costa who's now the GM John Harbaugh the staff Everybody in that building and I know all those people not not much has changed. So it always comes down to people right Pat Just like the the people you have there. And then the last thing, you know,

what'll pull you off the couch is opportunity to win and win it all. They built a phenomenal roster, as we know, right? We've been watching them. They are a wagon from top to bottom. Eric and John and that personnel staff, that coaching staff, they built one hell of a roster. They've got a bunch of dudes on both sides of the ball

and special teams. So those things, all those things we just chatted about, yeah, I've never really stopped. I think you could, you probably knew that, the boys probably knew that, you could feel that, but this opportunity was just too good to pass up. Okay, we're incredibly happy for you and you're right you did never stop and it is funny to hear you

like the day I stepped away it was the day I was like I regret this I regret this how am I gonna survive you have done a fantastic job with us you've done a fantastic job with your family and I wonder you know because you just talked about nobody you know the same names basically being there in Baltimore watching Hard Knocks in season was that something too there because they were You talked about nobody, you know, the same names basically being there in Baltimore watching Hard Knocks in season. Was that something too there? Because they were back in that Baltimore building back in the Ravens practice facility.

Is that the reason that you maybe did you reach out to John or how, how did kind of the conversations begin with you and Harbaugh? We have always stayed in touch, Pat, you know, via text message, a call here and there, holidays, family, very close with John. And it's funny, I texted him last week and I was texting for a friend, a fellow coach that was out and looking for an opportunity. You know, so I reached out, text John, says, hey, I've got a name for you, potential, you know, spot on your defensive staff that you have open. And I was traveling back, it was last Thursday, right after the show, Pat. So I was at the airport and I was getting ready to get on a plane.

So he says, hey, I'll call you back in a sec. And I said, hey, I'm getting on a plane, we talk tomorrow. So talk on Friday. Talk about this potential candidate, whatever. And then the question comes up, hey, how you doing? You good? You itching a little bit? You feeling like, you know, maybe there's, you know, want to get back in in some capacity?

And so a conversation started, led to a Zoom call yesterday, talked a lot of ball for a long time, talked about a lot of things. And it just came out of nowhere, really, you know, and very, very grateful that John would give me this opportunity to go back to a place where, like when I went to Baltimore in 08 with him his first year, that organization, that franchise, the success that we had as a DB coach and then a defensive coordinator in my final season, Pat, it changed the whole trajectory of my career. I mean, it changed everything. We lose a heartbreaker in that AFC championship game and the next thing you know you're sitting

at a desk and you get an opportunity to be the head coach of the Colts. I owe that organization a ton. Okay, so let's talk about your role that you came in to be. Akeush has a question for you coach. Coach, congrats. We're all pumped for you. But a quick question, right? So whenever this whole thing came about,

just wanna know what senior assistant, are you guys gonna be working, are you specifically with the safeties and he's with the corners? Or are you guys gonna be working as a team or vice versa? Yeah, great question. Cause you wanna go in on these things with a ton of clarity and take out as much great

and cues as possible, right? On right on okay what that role looks like. They have secondary coaches right now. Chris Hewitt is the pass game coordinator, secondary coach, Doug Mallory, coaches in the secondary. Both long time, long time veteran coaches know shit ton of ball, obviously know the back end I get an opportunity to go in fill a role in the back end where like okay like how can I how can I mental how can I help what can I add to this go through the things very

familiar with the scheme obviously that scheme a QQ has not changed for the last, I mean, 100 years it seems like. You know, that thing has been intact. There's been coordinator after coordinator after coordinator, but the nuts and bolts of that scheme have not changed. So it's an opportunity for me to go in and hey, what do you need?

What do you need me to do? You know, how can I help you guys develop these players? They've got phenomenal players back there. We know that. The Kyle Hamiltons of the world, Marlon Humphrey, Brandon Stevens, you know, our Darius. They've got a bunch of dogs. Nate Wiggins is a rookie out of Clemson after his first year, very promising. So, a ton of great players and an opportunity

just to contribute and help build. How's Miss Tina feel about this? Getting you back out of the house, back into a facility. She's loving it, I assume. Yeah, she's fired up and now, you know, yesterday, but now when you wake up, 2.30 in the morning again, and the wheels are spinning, and now, God, I got all this stuff to do, all this response, but whatever,

like we gotta get things in order. She's jacked up. Four of the best years, again, that we had as a family, you know, was in Baltimore, that 08 to 2011 stretch path. So she's fired up. up yeah it's just a phenomenal place there's a lot of familiar faces for her as well from a you know coaching staff perspective wives those those kind of things so she's excited this thing's in order here we got we got everything in order so

it's like I'm gonna move out of here, Pat, and get myself a little flat, you know, hopefully close to Little Italy used to hang out there a lot in Baltimore. Okay, I mean, they've got some frickin amazing spots down there, right? And give me a little spot, she'll come back and forth. But, you know, she's not gonna be lonely. My kids will, I'm sure they're gonna be moving in here pretty quick as soon as I am out the door. Yeah, well I appreciate that.

Obviously out there in Boise, you got a beautiful place, beautiful view, beautiful life. Heading back to Baltimore, a place you know well. Maybe you'll be near Little Italy. Maybe you'll be near Jimmy's Famous Seafood, who said you'll never have to pay for another crab cake. Take them up on that offer, for sure. Absolutely.

Yes, every night maybe. Especially if Mistina's out there. We'll take crab cakes every single night from Jimmy's. Make sure that's delivered. Yeah. You know what they say, you know, if it's free, give me three. All right. Let's pivot away from the Ravens in Baltimore. D-Butch has a question for you. Congrats again, Coach. I know this is the game that you're trying to get to now, but I'm actually about to Super Bowl because I know you've been grinding tape and watching these games.

Which one of these defenses do you think has the edge going into this big game with the Eagles and the Chiefs? Man, that's a great defense. I think we got, obviously, you know, everybody's been talking about Spags and the Hall of Fame career that he's had and what he's done in Kansas City for a long, long time and over a great career. Vic Fangio, bringing, shoot,

you look at Philly, right? The numbers from a year ago till now, I mean, almost dead last in categories to lead the league in scoring deep or second in scoring defense, number one in yards allowed. I mean, the development of Cooper Dejean, Quinone Mitchell, the job that Howie has done bringing the playmakers in there. So I think this is gonna be a phenomenal game. I don't think, the last time we saw these two play, D-Butts and the Super Bowl, we had a high score and a fair. Well, I think 38, 35 was the final and KC got the edge there. We've got a lot of offensive and great talent on that side.

But I think these two defenses, I think we've talked long and hard, AQ has talked long and hard about this offensive line for Kansas City. The woes that they have, I think they've got that pretty much solidified with Thune there at left tackle. But these animals, these freaks that Philly has up front, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, you know, Sweat off one end, Nolan Smith off the other, you know, Zach Bond. I mean, they're just, they're incredible. They're playing at a high level. So be very, very interested to see, we always talk about the trenches, right? Can Kansas City block that front?

Is Vic, because Vic's normally four man rush with pressure, right? Deploy seven into coverage, you know, and make your earn everything down the field, great in the red area. Can they block this front? And then vice versa, you know, Jalen Hurts, you know, Spags, he's gonna come in and say,

hey, look, 26 ain't beating our ass. Andy Reid's gonna tell that team, 26 ain't getting us. So we're gonna allocate as much resources necessary to stop him. And it's gonna have to come down to Jalen Hurts' arm, Jalen Hurts' legs, and AJ Brown and Devontae Smith got her down the middle of the field. I look for a great matchup, you know, in base defense with McDuffie following AJ Brown around.

And then obviously on third down nickel situation, he goes into the slot. So there's going to be some great matchups to watch. Jalen Hurts said he took the straight jacket off and let him spin it a little bit. The LFC Championship. He was, hey, yeah, he had it tied up. He was like Houdini, he got out of that thing. I don't know who Houdini always got out. Houdini? Every time. Every time. Harry's a dog. Not every time. Yeah. What do you call that thing he was wearing, Pat?

Walking into the stadium. Talking about the Kangol? He had the Kangol on. walking into the stadium. Talking about the Kangol, he had the Kangol on. Man that thing, I wonder if I could get away with one of those. Yes, that is what you should be wearing every single week actually is the Ravens. Imagine him walking in, stoke, Kangol. Oh my God, jumpsuit maybe? Just a sweatsuit like Adidas with three stripes on it. Oh, the Italian-ness would be oozing from Coach Pagano.

Yeah, Kangol on top there. Yeah, I don't know that. I don't know if I can, let me stick to that Commendatore, that Leone Commendatore, that Italian suit. I'll have to break that out. Yeah, all of them. I didn't know there was a little Italy in Baltimore. Me either.

That makes sense, blue collar town, that would have Italians in it. Every big city, Pat, has a little Italy, believe it or not. And this one, unbelievable. I believe the Italians would certainly work their way into it. Especially if there's water nearby. Yeah, need the water.

That's the only place you see these damn Italians. That's a good thing, not a bad thing. That's a good thing, not a bad thing speaking of Italians a man. It's gonna miss you Connor has a question for you Yeah, Chuck. Congratulations again. Both of our lives got so much better because I don't have to see anymore but she's what did you think about the Josh Allen tush push and kind of the whole refs conversation on the marking of the Football throughout the game because both refs have multiple times were coming in neither a few times they weren't really lining up on the same exact spot how'd you feel about that and what do you think about kind of just the dialogue around the referees in general

with Kansas City because it's getting loud about the entire thing well they certainly didn't help themselves to quiet the narrative con man, and I'm gonna miss the hell out of you. You know that. You know I love you. Cheers coach. I love our banter and back and forth. I'm gonna miss the hell out of you.

So yeah, the two split number one, you know, you got a 250 pound quarterback. I don't see how you cannot execute this play. Just look at the tape from Philly, right, and mimic. But obviously, you know, Casey was on their P's and Q's. You look at all those, you know, those sneaks by Josh, he loved going over the left side, right? The offensive left to the defensive right. They obviously were dialed into that.

As far as this call goes, you know, the mechanics were jacked up. Con man, the mechanics were jacked up. You see these two lines, like the head linesman is up top and then the down judge is down at the bottom, right? So they're walking in, the guy up top has the view of the football. He can see the football. The guy at the bottom coming in, look at that right there. If you pause, the ball is, he's screened from the ball. He's got the back numbers of Josh Allen there. He can't see it. The guy on the, on the top of the screen, he's got a clear view of that. And so what's got to happen mechanics wise.

Chris Jones is standing right there. I don't know if that guy on top has a view of it either. Sure. there. I don't know if that guy on top has a view of it either. Short. He over at Pat override it walk in there and you see old boy down at the bottom. I've got the clear view of the ball so you say no no no sir so he goes like this you know how they go like this can you see me yeah move the chains he's got to override that and all of a sudden he bows down to the guy at the bottom for some reason. So a total breakdown in mechanics. That should have been a first down in my opinion. Okay, well I appreciate the fact that that is how you see it. I think a lot of people saw it the same way. I think also it's very, as you know as somebody who spent a lot of time with the officials and replay and everything like that,

you would actually be correcting us on that that was never gonna get overturned Whatever was called on the field was gonna remain the call in that particular situation King Kade potentially picked up the first down the play before that and it's the Chiefs So, you know, obviously the refs are gonna be working in the Chiefs favor Even though there's some calls probably that Chiefs fans say well, what about this? What about this? What about this? Whatever the case, whatever you win all the time, people are going to assume that you're getting assistance because everybody's trying to win.

Just like the Baltimore Ravens are going to be trying to get to the top of Lombardi Mountain. Ty, has one last question for you here. Yeah, coach. I'll reiterate what everyone else has said. Congratulations. Going to miss having you around here. From the last time you coached, obviously you beat cancer, you get to be around your family more, you see your grandkids grow up a little bit. Do you think your temperament slash your outlook on life or philosophy in general, has that changed or are you still gonna get after people's asses out there?

Or do you think your coaching style and the way you're gonna go about things is gonna change considering everything that's happened to you since the last time you coached in the league? Hey Ty, anytime you go through you know circumstances and adversity and and life-changing you know moments the minute I never really have taken it you know any day for granted any opportunity that I've that I've had Ty but walking out of that hospital the doc coming in and say you're in remission you can go home you're gonna have to spend a couple more months whatever yeah it just it just gave me greater appreciation and greater perspective. And Pat will tell you this, and D-Bots will tell you AQ,

if I didn't say it once, I said it twice, right? We're playing and coaching a kids game, okay? It's a privilege and not your right to play and coach in a national football league. And every day we get, not one of these days is guaranteed, nothing is promised. And that's why we wake up one of these days is guaranteed. Nothing is promised. And that's why we wake up today, we got another Wednesday, hey let's kick the living shit out of this Wednesday.

And then when we get another day, when Thursday comes, if we get it, we're lucky enough, let's have great enthusiasm for that day, let's kick the hell out of that Thursday. Yeah, am I going to get after it? You got to coach these guys, right? We're going to hold guys accountable. Do it the right way. Thursday, yeah, am I gonna get after it? You gotta coach these guys, right? We're gonna hold the guys accountable, do it the right way, build relationships, build them up, point out the thing,

hey, what did you see on this, Kyle? Hey, Marlon, what did you see on the butts? We used to have butts all the time. Butts, what did you see? Why'd we do what we did? What was the come, and then when it, time for, as long as you build those relationships, Ty, and there's mutual respect and trust and love there, then you can pull a guy in

an office behind closed doors and have a healthy conversation that's, couldn't be uncomfortable, but you know, full of, you know, forthright and honesty and all those kind of things. So I can't wait, Ty and you guys, to get over there. I'm headed there on Monday and this is, like I've had some other things come by, you know, and you just, they don't feel the same, right? You just know in your gut, like, no, I don't think this is the right, but this one, I mean, just check all the boxes, right? Very, very grateful for this opportunity. All right, well, good luck, enjoy it,

and let the boys over there know we like them. Yeah. You know, we like them. Keith Van Noy, obviously been on the program numerous times. Nobody really else from the Ravens. If you could help us build that relationship over there, we would appreciate it. We would appreciate it. Done.

Done. Okay, good. Done deal. And if your secondary sucks, you're going to hear it. Hashtag journalistic standards. We got to do what we got to do. Coming at you. Stand on business.

That's right. We got to do what we got to do. Hey, accountability and honesty, right? You guys got to do your journalism, so call it like you see it. When it, hey, we all know what bad ball looks like. Oh yeah. Don't look right, don't taste right, don't smell right. It sticks out like you know what.

Yeah. So when we got bad ball going on, I expect you guys to be honest and forthright and say, Hey, tighten that shit up coach. Yeah, exactly. All right, we will say that. And until then we'll say, congrats. We're so happy for you. Ladies and gentlemen the new

Last thing you know much I love you Pat, you know much I love the boys This has been you know a life's game changer for me being on this all the grants that you've I know you don't like this thing but When I said like on that reel you sent you got me dying laughing, you got me in tears. It was just incredible. It was my wife, my family and all kinds of things, right? Great perspective and appreciation for what we have, but I am so grateful. And please, please have me on every now and then.

You want me to put on the waffle. You want me to do whatever. Please, I still get a chance to come on from time to time. I would greatly appreciate that, but- Never again! Never again! You have no idea what you've done for me, Pat, and you boys.

I'd do anything for you guys, you know that. We love you, coach. We appreciate you. We've been very thankful that you chose to hang out with us for so long. You're the man. You're gonna do great We love you, man. Ladies and gentlemen coach. We're gonna Happy for him man. Yeah, I'm very happy for him. It's cool. Miss Tina standing boys. He going over Baltimore Let's clean this place up a little Chuck. Thank Jesus. Then going back there. John Harbaugh works out every single day. So does Chuck on the Pelotonics.

Excited to see what they do. Wish they would have done hard knocks with Chuck in that building. I know. Just so you could see him every day. Whatever he said, who can I help, how can I help, is basically his job. How does that normally work in the secondary room, D. Butch?

A lot of times it's two coaches. It'll be like a safety coach, corners coach maybe. And I know over the last probably 10 years or so, some teams even have like a safety's coach, corners coach maybe I know over the last probably ten years or so some teams even have like a Nichols coach so I'm sure they'll probably separate it so like different drills different teams different things but uh she was he split like like that. Let's stay in the family coach Tom McMahon will remain the special teams coordinator for the Las Vegas Raiders. Pete Carroll keeps Tom McMahon whose whose son is obviously Mitt, who works here at the Thunderdome.

Tom McMahon was my special teams coordinator at the Indianapolis Colts. I have a lot of love for him. He is massively successful at what he does. He's about this tall. Sure. Literally. Small guy.

Little sawed off piece of energy. That guy loves special teams though, loves ball. They got a lot of great players over there, so I'm happy he will continue his career with the Raiders and Matt Eberfluss Officially defense coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys. Wow. Congrats to Eberfluss getting the gig. He was with the Dallas Cowboys He was supposed to come up to the Indianapolis Colts with Josh McDaniels Josh McDaniels turns the plane around Eber Fluss stays with the Indianapolis Colts as the DC. Didn't even have a head coach yet. Frank Reich becomes the head coach, keeps Iber Fluss's DC for the Colts. Iber Fluss does such a great job with that defense whenever they were, you know, good.

You know, the players were great, fun to have in the city, you know Accountable those types of things then he goes up to Chicago becomes a head coach up there that goes how it goes He goes back to Dallas now. I'm very pumped for him to get that gig. What's this mean for Zim? I mean Zim is available out there. Yeah, cuz he was on there. I forget who said I think it was Schefter as well He was also on a one-year deal last year because of the McCarthy deal. Okay, so maybe Liam Cohen down there in, down there in, down there in, has the opportunity to bring in Zim as the DC. The more you watch that, the more you realize his face knew he was fucking up. Both eyebrows were like, what are we we doing the one eyebrow and then later the

Second eyebrow comes and goes. What are you? What are you doing? What county is Jacksonville Jaguars in? do ball Doobert Tuesday has fed into Andy Reid Wednesday We'll have Andy Reid in the next hour Liam Cohen might be the next Andy Reid you're right true like if we know anything about Zim I'm sure they would get along great that seems like a match made in heaven. What are you saying? I'm saying Zim might beat the shit out of that guy in the first day OTAs. There's a chance. We don't know that. He might spit some beach nut right in his eye and say I'm not listening to you. Love a spits some beach nut in that dude's eyes and a Zim boy can survive. The Zim boy can survive.

There is a chance. Liam Cohen though gets along with people. Here's him dapping up the Jacksonville Jaguars as they were coming into the facility after he was named head coach. First Trevor Lawrence looks like he's recovering from surgery. Hope he's okay. Looks like he's gonna be all right. Liam Cohen says what's up Trevv? It's my wife Ashley here keep her off camera. We don't like the glitz and glamour. Thanks. Thanks social media team Then he daps up the rest of the boys there good clean daps I will say with everybody which kind of goes into You know, I didn't say much to Gabe Davis kind of skipped right over him and Gabe Davis gonna be a weapon for the Jags I would assume Liam Cohen knows that but remember Baker likes him, offensive lineman like him, Mike Evans likes him.

Seems like the guys he coaches like him, which is what we have to remember when we want to judge him immediately. AQ, you were not here for Goober Tuesday when we were talking about him being the head coach in Jacksonville. What are your thoughts on Liam Cohen? Seems like a big goofball.

It sounds like the players like him, but it sounds like he's rubbing a lot of coaches and front office people the wrong way. So not sure how that's going to bode. What do you mean by that? Well, I mean, it sounds like the front office clearly is irate in Tampa. That's one place. A front office at Jacksonville loves him. Yeah. The biggest thing right in the NFL is communication, right? You have to be able to communicate. And so as a head coach, there's going to be a lot of tough conversations, right? A lot of tough conversations, whether you cut a guy, whether it's making a decision to promote or elevate or demote somebody, right?

But you have to be able to do that. You have to answer the call. You have to make the call. You have to look the person in the eye. You have to have these things. It doesn't sound like there's a lot of that right now. So I hope it goes great for him. What are you talking about? What do you mean? What are you? Is this from your source?

No this is from yeah kind of but it's also kind of what we what we read right like the fact that he didn't answer a single phone call the whole next day to anybody from Tampa. Yeah I was getting interviewed down in Jacksonville. If you just have a simple conversation about listen hey I got an opportunity to be a head coach You make 14 million dollars a year. You don't think anybody in that building is gonna understand. That's a life-changing opportunity Sure, man, just have a conversation. Okay, just have the convo is all he's saying con man Yeah, he did his entire thing about honesty I assumed that he had the convo just maybe not with the right people and then the people who didn't have

The convo with Liam and Tampa might have said like, hey what the hell man call me too. Ty have you changed your thoughts on what Liam Cohen's gonna be because we as a collective unit said we're gonna reserve judgment because we have no idea what coach is gonna be good what coach is gonna be bad. There's coaches we thought were gonna be absolute ass turn out to be pretty damn good. There's coaches we thought were gonna be great turn out to be absolute ass. You yesterday made a decision on Liam Cohen Do you want to take that back now? I don't think I'm ready to do that quite yet We'll see you know I could be I could be dead wrong and if that day comes say I'll hand up

Because he is he's a great offensive play caller, and he's a great offensive mind, but again You know he's not just talking to the offense He's got the defense now and again we mentioned it like who is gonna fill out this staff? We're very late in the game here It seems like all of these guys who like have a bunch of experience and are great coaches Not that there aren't great coaches everywhere in the NFL, but like who else is gonna be on this guy's staff? He's a first-time head coach still and he's only got five years of NFL coaching experience and who's gonna be the GM like there's more To there's more than just call and plays like there's a lot that goes into being a head coach

from everyone we've talked to. It's like, hey, you don't realize how much shit's on your plate until you get that job. And then it's like, whoa, I have to do more than just X's and O's here. Like I'm running an entire franchise. We think Liam will be able to figure it out. We hope he will be able to.

So does Sean Cahn. New Orleans still doesn't have a head coach. They still don't have anybody in place. Which is wild to think about, even though they're saying Kelly Mo is the leader in in the clubhouse offense coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles who will be on his staff How that whole thing go we're looking up some stats there They have like negative 53 million next year even with the projected cap of being 275 And I think they're about a dead money they have for the next two years

They're number one in the entire NFL for so that Saints gig is certainly one you're signing up for it but maybe there'll be some more patience than there is somewhere else because everybody knows that going in joining us now the greatest NFL coach of all time the greatest NFL general manager of all time currently the head coach of the North Carolina Tar Heel football team ladies and gentlemen Bill Belichick coach how you doing good Pat how about you how's it going hey is great. So we saw you get back into coaching this year. Pete Carroll obviously gets back into coaching. Our guy Chuck Pagano is getting back into coaching in Baltimore.

You football people can't stay away from ball. Is that kind of the lesson here? Yeah, pretty much. How much better is your life now that you're back in with a mission, with a plan, with a program, and how is that all going here in the first few weeks? Maybe, how long has it been now? A month? A month and a half?

Yeah, a little over a month. Yeah, I mean, look, Pat, it's great to be part of a team and to work collectively with other coaches, staff members, Mike Lombardi, and the players towards the common goal is really what it's all about. And it's just, it's fun to be part of a team. Being on my own was, you know, great for a year, but I'm really happy to be part of the Carolina team. You continued to act like you were in it though, right?

Throughout the entire year, waking up early, studying film, having projects, things like that. Or did you take some time to yourself whenever you're off? Well, no, I started with you on the draft. film, having projects, things like that? Or did you take some time to yourself whenever you're off? Well, no, I started with you on the draft. That was a great project and had a lot of fun doing that, following the draft and the players coming into the NFL. And yeah, been involved with both college and pro football all year.

It was a good learning experience for me, and a good opportunity for me to see more college football, go to some games. But not only that, but just to follow the whole rest of the league instead of one team you know when you when you're with one team the only team i focused on was my team and team we were playing uh... that just changed every week

uh... last year was different i was able to take a perspective much broader view of uh... college and pro football and look at different organizations the way they did things and uh... just the way that you know college of football fit together and also just see what the fan experience was like what it's like to to be a fan and to watch and follow football. I remember you walking out at the draft which we're so thankful you did with us you were fantastic on that absolutely crushed all year and on the draft and you looking with Gadel like holy shit this is what the draft is like you know

because you've been in your cocoon up there, you know, doing the draft all the time, then you get out into the world and it's like, damn, the NFL is doing pretty good here. Now, my question for you, and I don't know how I haven't asked you this, was there anything that you learned from any other teams this past year, whenever you're watching how they operate? Because the assumption is, everybody would want to learn from you. Was there anything that you like saw how a building was operating and were like damn

I wish I would have done that or if I ever run a building I will insert that into my process? Oh yeah absolutely I mean I learned a lot this year watching a lot of teams talking to people but certainly a great experience and I'm very appreciative of Coach Fish for giving me the opportunity to come out to Washington and spend a little time out there with him and watch his program. But that really showed me how exciting and interesting college football is. You know, you have a lot more time to spend with the players. They develop, you seem to just develop more and they're very eager to learn and try to become NFL players. So that was a great experience for me.

And then I was able to visit some other schools as well. Coach Kelly at LSU was very hospitable as well and got to Rutgers and Coach Chiano. So I learned a lot from looking at some of these other programs. I didn't know where it was gonna end up but it was certainly interesting and educational at the time. I mean, Pat, you're always learning,

no matter how much we do and how much we think we might know or have experience with. Football is always changing all the time. New players, new rules, new things are happening, and the learning part of it's actually a lot of fun. Yeah, and I think that's why the greats are great, you continue to evolve as opposed to being stubborn and stuck in your ways. You're open to new ideas, new concepts, and obviously a new life as a college football coach. Remember, everybody thought you were going to leave UNC because you hadn't signed a contract, there's these jobs, and then you hadn't put the staff together.

And we talked to Lambeau and you and it's like, right now we're not worried about staff. Right now we're worried about putting a front office personnel player personnel together we're worried about the players that we're going to get either keep or get in here whenever the coaching staff comes we'll figure that out at the time that it needs to be where are you on that front and where are we in the timeline right now of what you're trying to institute at North Carolina? Yeah well we're all set. We're full speed ahead. Yeah, pro football talk's not a good source for me. But this is the last week I can be out on the road in January and

then we kind of go to a different model where the student athletes can come and visit us, but we don't see them as much on the road. So we have February to kind of work on our season program that we start spring ball in March through mid April. So football season will be on the field in a little over a month. So that'll be exciting and we're already in the middle of the off season program now. So guys are working hard and we know, we're still Recruiting, you know mostly 26 players, but there's still a few moving parts and in the incoming class as well Are you getting down underneath the bar down there? Let those kids know you still got it

Well, I'm gonna eat the bar. I don't think I still got it. But uh, yeah, I'm gonna eat the bar Hell, yeah still squatting is unbelievable. Go absolutely unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. We were just talking about, you know, I just asked you about putting the staff together. We were talking about Liam Cohen, who just got the head coaching job at Jacksonville. He only has five years of NFL experience putting his staff together. D-Bud has a question for you, coach.

Yeah, coach, I just want to ask you, what are some of the challenges when it comes to putting a staff together? You got Liam Cohen. His situation has been a first time head coach. I'm sure his phone is blowing up from a lot of his former stops that he's been at. And then his New Orleans job which hasn't been taken yet but when it is taken obviously a lot of these coaches already have jobs. So what are some of

the challenges when it comes to putting your staff together as a first-time head coach? Yeah well one of the big challenges is if the coaches aren't in contract with another team, which I would say a lot of them are, then you have to get permission. If you move them up from position coach to coordinator, then you might be able to do that. A lot of coaches that aren't on another team are from staffs who have been released and either contract ran out or their teams are replacing them with other coaches so they're available and then you know there could be the you know player coaches available from you know college

or maybe that we're out of football last year things like that so just have to kind of take it case by case you get a lot of recommendations when you take a job. You probably have, I don't know, 200 or 300 messages in the first week from either people who want jobs or people who are recommending other people for jobs or some version of that, especially strength coaches. Everybody wants to be a strength coach. So I probably have had 100 strength coach applications this year and when I took the Patriots job many years ago. But everybody out there who trains somebody can be a strength coach, so there's no shortage

of those. But it's really, it's definitely a process. And if you don't know people, then the interview process, getting to know them takes a little time. I'd say most of the people that I've talked to that have gone through this process would say it usually takes two years. The first year, you know, a lot of your things will work out, but not all the hires will, or they'll move on, or that type of thing.

And then, you know, by the second year, you probably are closer to getting the staff that you want and that want to be with you. So sometimes it's probably a two year process. Your staff was a lot of familiar names and faces. I assume a lot of people do that in business, but you certainly were a guy that was known for that. The people that are in Coach for Bill are people that either had coach for bill before or have kind of come up through your entire system.

Is it because they understand the strategy? They understand the work ethic? they understand what is it about it and what was the most important thing to you when somebody would come coach for you? Just a common vision, good fundamental teacher. Obviously teaching the players is what we do, but we all have different strengths and weaknesses and I think as a head coach you try to put that together so that you have, you know, that your staff is balanced. But really there aren't too many people on the staff that have worked with me before. I mean, obviously we have a couple but not, there are a lot of, I have connections with some people and all that. Of course, Mike and I have worked together, you know, in the head coach GM model, but most of the rest of the people actually, you know, haven't worked with us before.

Okay. I'm excited to see it all come together in your vision, your eyes. Let's talk about the NFL a little bit. Obviously, we're a week, a little bit over a week out from the Super Bowl. This week right here for a team playing in the Super Bowl, are we trying to take care of all the bullshit? Like, what is the mindset for you whenever your team was preparing for a team playing in the Super Bowl. Are we trying to take care of all the bullshit? Like what is the mindset for you whenever your team was preparing for a Super Bowl on this particular Pro Bowl bye week? What do you think Andy Reid and Sirianni are trying to get accomplished in this particular week? I think that on Monday and Tuesday, you know a lot of rest and recovery. I think both teams, you know, some guys banged up

they played a lot of football, but it's really taken care of. Most of the logistics, handling the, you know, family requests, travel, rooms, tickets, so forth and so on to try to get all that settled. You know, I would think they would probably try to get most of that done by Thursday where everybody has their allotment for rooms, you know, tickets and bus passes and so forth and so on, whatever you need down there. And then either on Thursday, Friday and Saturday or maybe Wednesday, Thursday, Friday depending how the coach wants to structure the week. I think, you know, three good days of practice this week are probably where you would get

about 80% of your game plan in and practice it. And then once you get down into New Orleans or the Super Bowl city, you maybe save about 20% down there to add in so that you're not getting too stale. You're not repeating too many things too many times where it's the eighth time you've gone over it and then you lose a little bit of the urgency. So maybe you save something down there like Red Area or a little bit of the urgency. So maybe you save something down there like Red Area or a couple of gadget plays or a couple of blitzes or some situational football, things like that. But really Wednesday is the best day of practice at the Super Bowl city.

And then Thursday is a lighter day. That's when the families come in. And Friday and Saturday are just kind of wrap up days. So I'd say it's like one and a half good days on Super Bowl week and call it three, three really good days in the, in your home city. Okay. So on that note, Connor has a question for you. Yeah, coach, when it comes to these massive games, obviously the Eagles have added a lot of new pieces and this is their first year in Philly, but how much does like the experience of that big game Super Bowl feel kind of matter matter because everyone on the Chiefs has basically played in the Super Bowl

Obviously the Eagles still have guys from the two Super Bowls. They've been to in these last, you know five years But how much is that kind of a factor going into this game? You know, it's a Look, I don't think it's a bad thing, but the game is about how you play. It's not what you've done or haven't done or anything like that. How much money you make or who made all pro or MVP or anything else. It's about how you play in the game. So I've always told my teams, I don't care whether you're a rookie, whether you're a

10 year veteran, whether you're a 15 year old pro, it you're a 15-year-old pro, it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is how you prepare and play this week. And so, you know, we had a guy play pretty good in 01, Brady, I think his name was. He had never been in a Super Bowl before. We had Malcolm Mitchell, who really had one good year for us. He didn't even play after his free. He played as a rookie. He played one without him.

You know, I don't think we would have you know would have won that Super Bowl You know, he had some key catches for us I'm sure you have your Brady's and Gronkowski's and Edelman's and high towers and and those guys but you know Malcolm Butler I mean made one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history and Didn't even you know, he was a replacement at halftime So he didn't start the game. So, you know things like that. I Don't think you should ever those players should ever be counted out And I think you never know which one of those guys is gonna need to make a key play for you

I think if you look at Kansas City the last couple weeks They've had two big plays on kickoff return to start the game against the Texans punt return last week against Buffalo. I mean Nobody's heard of the returner. Nobody's heard of the guys who were on the punt return team week against Buffalo. I mean nobody's heard of the returner, nobody's heard of the guys who were on the punt return team or the kickoff return team. You know it was a great return, it was so well executed by the Chiefs as they've been doing on special teams. Here comes Watson over from the backside double to make a key block at the point of attack and there they go down the sideline. You know Chanel had a big block and the two

corners did a great job of vice and Matt Collins on the line of sc the sideline. You know, Chanel had a big block in the two corners, did a great job of vice and Matt Collins on the line of scrimmage. You see, he was the last guy down the field and this is one of the best cover players in the league. So it's not what you've done, it's what you do this week and that's about preparation and then ultimately, you know, execution of the game.

So experience helps if you use it, but it certainly doesn't preclude inexperienced players from playing great. Yeah, some people are just waiting for that big moment to have their biggest game. Before we have our heart out, I have a question. There wasn't a lot of games that you weren't in the Super Bowl or a lot of years you weren't in the Super Bowl. Would you watch it if you were the head coach?

Are you watching the Super Bowl with two other teams playing in it? How did you treat Senior Bowl this time as opposed to whenever teams are in the Super Bowl of two other teams playing in it and how did you treat like Senior Bowl this time as opposed to whenever teams are in the Super Bowl they don't have as much options we'll say. Yeah well if you're out of it I think you get started on the on the Senior Bowl and some of the college uh you know some of the college players because it actually comes up on you pretty quick and you can use your time more efficiently at the combine and in the spring workout period if you kind of have a better idea of where you're going. But as you can see right now, there's a lot of turbulence in the NFL, like there always is at the end of the year.

Good teams are losing coaches off their staff. Other teams are turning over their staff and bringing new coaches on. People are coming and going. You look at two years ago when Philadelphia was in the Super Bowl and lost to Kansas City, then they turn around and two days after the season lose their two coordinators. And now they're kind of have to retool things. So there's quite a bit of movement at this time of year.

And then also you have players coming up that you have to make decisions on in terms of their contract situation next year. A lot of times it's good to, if it's clear cut, to do those earlier rather than later if possible. So this isn't really a downtime for the coaches. The Super Bowl is a great event to watch just to see how those two great teams play under pressure. They're obviously the two best teams they're the two teams that should be there and and you know, you want to see how they compete against each other, but Honestly, the i'd say the worst part of it is for the teams that aren't there um teams like baltimore that you know had two big turnovers without really even getting hit dropping a pass on the goal line it would have put the game into

overtime or buffalo giving up a 50-yard punt return and can't make a couple of fourth downs, or the Rams that give up two long runs and fumble a handoff. And then on the last two plays of the game, don't block Jalen Carter and have to throw the ball away. Tampa that fumbled a handoff and then fumbled another play with the wide receiver, jet sweep, you know, whatever it was, and then fumbled the play with the wide receiver, jet sweep, whatever it was, and then fumbled the ball down going into score. Plays like that that you have to live with for six months,

actually longer than that, but until you start training camp again, where you just feel like we blew the game, we just lost the game and lost it on fundamentals, on ball security, on bad tackling, like the Rams had, not blocking Jalen Carter, he's lined up on a defensive line as three technique. He's the best player on the field and he gets a free run at the quarterback two plays

in a row on the last two plays of your season. I mean, those are heartbreaking and they're gut-wrenching for the team because you just have to live with them for a long period of time and I've been there before. I mean, it's, it makes it for a long offseason but, you know, you got to bounce back, but it's tough. It's tough to watch somebody else playing like the Rams. I'm sure that they're sitting there feeling like, you know, we should have been playing in this game, but we just messed it up. And then you take a team like Detroit, that had the best, best year in, in their history and give up 41 points. And you know, you're not going to win many playoff games when you can't play defense so I feel bad for those teams because and somebody

else is gonna feel like that the Monday after the Super Bowl. Yeah 31 teams feel that way at the end of the year your team was the one celebrating a lot at the end of the year we assume you're gonna do the same down at UNC we appreciate the hell out of you ladies Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Bill Belichick. What's up Spotify? This is Holly. I remember this one time we're on tour. We didn't have any guitar picks and we didn't have time to go to the store so we placed an order on Prime and it got there the next day ready for the show. Whatever you're into, it's on Prime. ready for the show. Whatever you're into, it's on Prime.

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they try to poach out of this particular program to be a coach. Ladies and gentlemen, Darius J. Butler. D-Bot, good to see you. You're battling over there. We all are. We all are. We all are. It hit the entire place. It's tough. Like an atom bomb. Yeah. Yesterday I took a 12 hour coma immediately after the show.

And I'm going to be honest. Woke up on the other side of it feeling like a billion bucks. You guys should maybe think about it. This is the first time I've done that in a long time. But my body I think just said, hey, enough for a second. And woke up at about 4.30 AM, 5 5 30 a.m. Just what happened new man. He brand new Brand new now still got a little bit of the voice because I was yelling all weekend, but life is good How could it not be the Pro Bowl games start tomorrow night?

The Royal Rumble is this weekend in Indianapolis, Indiana And then next week we'll be down in New Orleans at Radio Row Kicking off the week that'll lead to the biggest game of them all the Super Bowl Chiefs favored by one and a half down there in New Orleans They'll be wearing the white jerseys Which I do believe says that they have like an 80% chance to win over like the last 10 years or something like that The team that wore the white Spanx looking ones are the teams that win. But that has nothing to do

with this Philadelphia Eagles team. They pound a rock, they beat people up. They're not scared to make it a physical fist fight. Now, that leads to this man, 12 year NFL vet, host of In The Trenches, AQ Shipley. AQ, do you feel like a big dumb dipshit because you didn't think the Philadelphia Eagles would be able to win,

even though you said they have the best offensive line in the entire NFL? I don't. I stand on what I said and that is that they have... Business. Yeah, I stand on business. The fact that this Philadelphia Eagles offensive line is incredible. I really do. I think they're incredible. Power rankings? The quarterback still has to win it. He still has to win it. He still has to prove it. Okay, so you still... I mean he did last week, fourth down. AJ Brown. There's one game that matters. There's one game that matters.

The NFC Championship, that was the biggest game that they had this year. This next game. They all matter. Yeah, they're all, you know why? You know what the biggest game is? The next one. Bingo. So you just chose not to watch Jalen Hurts this past week where he was dropping dimes.

Devontae Smith on the sideline with the toe tap. Sick cleats by the way. Great cleats on it. How about the fourth down toss to AJ Brown? Needed it. Needed it. You got it. No problem.

The touchdown to AJ Brown. Threw it to a spot where only AJ could catch it. I mean this is a beautiful ball here. Great coverage. No problem. Let me put it in a place where only my guy can get it. Scores the touchdown and he's able to rush for three touchdowns or whatever the case is, just like Saquon rushes for three touchdowns. You were a

little bit of a Jalen Hurts hater, I would say. You were a little bit of a hater. He had his best game there and the biggest game. I can't agree with you more, but I will say maybe, maybe I judged him and I should have been judged in the straightjacket. That's what it sounds like. Okay, see now you're- Now you're just beating ass. Now you're trying to serve some shit. I'm just saying.

I'm just saying. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawkins. AJ, look at this guy deflecting. You know, he's doing a lot of this right now because he kind of you know turned his back on his own gimmick the offensive line is what wins you games Philadelphia Eagles got the best offensive line in the entire league they're not gonna win it all though how could they do that well they've gone on to win because of the offensive line in pounding the rock there are 1990s

football team in Saquon Barkley is the most explosive player on the field both statistically and Whenever you look at him optically a guy can take anything to the house How are you feeling about this particular game? And how much do you think it comes down to the trench warfare next Sunday? I mean, I think like every big game it definitely comes down to who can dominate the O&D lines That's something for sure that you got to look at but Pat Mahomes. I think there's something different with him We all know that he seems to find a way whenever it seems like everything is against him He just finds a way to win. He's a winner

But right there say Kwan is what makes the game different man, like that's that's the biggest reason I'm excited about this Super Bowl I want to see say Kwan go to work. See what the plan is to try to stop him I think it's gonna be a good matchup, man I think it's gonna be a fun good matchup, man. I think it's going to be a fun game to watch. The run game can travel. I'm not saying that Patrick Mahomes hasn't been able to do his thing no matter what situation you put him in. And obviously he's already won multiple Super Bowls and he's in conversation to be the greatest of all time. He's only 29 years old. He's only 29 years old. Severely underpaid if you start looking at the rest of the market as well, but he doesn't care because he's the perfect superstar. Seemingly we'll be talking to Andy Reid here in about 10 minutes excited

to get his take on Patrick and the team that he has this year. They can win in a assortment of ways. They've proven that not only this year but also last year. They weren't scared to run the ball 30 times a game last year and win it with the defense. But whenever they say the run game can travel, what does that mean? That means even if you're a little tight even if maybe're a little tight, even if maybe you're not clicking, not as smooth, you're able to run the rock, this is something in the first half we need to watch, right?

Philadelphia Eagles should be able to move the ball here, pretty good. They should, but again, we've talked about this over and over again, Spags is unbelievable, and he is going to take the Belichick model, and that is make them win with one arm tied behind their back. So how do you do that?

You stop Saquon, you load the the box you do all these things so then? What becomes the most important is the receivers? It's the pass game and see if Exactly what I've been saying can Jalen beat you well How come everybody then do you know what everybody's doing I saw it on get up last week They say I need to load the box against Philadelphia Eagles then everybody try to load the box No, it's the Philadelphia no because they have enough skill on the outside It's the most expensive offense in the National Football League. They have guys everywhere.

They have paid their quarterback, they've paid their receivers, they've paid their tight end. They've paid guys on the offensive line. Obviously, the running back is paid. They got guys everywhere. It's not like you can just sit there and take away Saquon. And by the way, AJ Brown, Goddard, and DeVon, they're gone. They're there.

They are there. They are all there. I mean, some teams have loaded the box. So there have been situations where it's been four minutes and try to put the game eight, nine people in the box. Say, call. I still hit 60, 70, 80 yard breaks that first line. Yeah. Yeah. Once he breaks that first line and he's out running angles, this play to start the damn game. But yeah, it sounds good on paper. It's good throughout the week. Like, yeah, let's put eight in the box. Let's good throughout the week like yes put eight in the box

Let's do this Let's do that But when you have an offensive line like they do in Philly and then you have a game break like Saquon It is super super tough. It didn't hurts. He looked healthy in the NFC Championship game So I expect to look even better in the Super Bowl when he's back there and gun And you got to respect him as a runner too. You're playing 11 11 is a defense. That's tough Well, and even the last Super Bowl like the team was built pretty similar. Obviously miles Sanders isn't say quam Barkley He is much much better the best in the NFL, but Jalen still through for 300 yards

The last Super Bowl against the the Chief so it's not like he can't do it It's just gonna be one of those games where I mean AJ brought it up right away Like if say quon rushes for you know 150 yards and two touchdowns it's gonna be hard to imagine that the Chiefs win that game if Saquon is doing that. The Chiefs though will get out rushed they'll get out gained they'll get out with it they'll get out played even and they'll still win the game they have a special it factor about them that doesn't come around often you know that is why we're talking about the greatest dynasty in the history of sports if they win three straight

We thought the Patriots are gonna be the greatest dynasty in professional sports for all time How do you have a 20-plus year run of success in a league that is built off a parody? If your team stinks, we're gonna give you a better draft. It's literally salary cap It's set up so teams can always have a chance, but then you start looking at the stats It's like well for 20 some years it was the Patri League, and now it feels like it's Kansas City Chiefs League. If they win three straight, greatest dynasty of all time, AJ, are you going to crown them? Crown them.

I mean, I'd have a tough time not crowning them. I really would. Yeah. Yeah, because it's not easy, obviously, to win one, win two, then win three, you have to get lucky, I think, injury-wise, but also strategy-wise, you are the target. Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs have been the target for the better half Of the last decade and they still show up and play their best ball in the biggest moments AFC Championship They look like the team that we all you know kind of hope for them to look like will they be able to do it again?

in New Orleans AJ I Think as Bill Belichick said on this program I believe last week like your secondary has to tackle very very well and that's when when Saikon gets rolling you see like you can't let these six seven yard runs turn into 25 30 yard runs or a three yard run turn into a nine yard run like you have to do it's like those little things throughout the game I think and I think secondary coming down and making sure tackles like the whole that's why spags You know like as a Q said spags is unbelievable what he does and they're very disciplined defense

You got to be disciplined and you got to find a way to get this dude to the ground because he's awesome Okay, let's talk about spags is defense and I know this was supposed to be part of everything DB good D bad D But it's a massive piece of Conversation on the internet and Dan Olovsky reference it yesterday saying that people are saying Josh Allen should have Switched the protection on that fourth down and everything like that in a two second period Those people have no idea what they're talking about is what Dan Urlovsky said instead the real conversation is what you go back to the beginning I play instead the real conversation about this play is what a Q Shipley Yeah

So the biggest thing that you see here is you see the condensed split up top, right? The running back who is the fifth receiver? It's a condensed split which means he's two to three yards just outside the tackle So this would have been a will free safety blitz if that receiver what's that mean? Okay So what that means is if you look over the right guard you'll see Justin Reed He is they is the will as the offense sees that he's the will Defender correct and then the free safety is the guy back to him

So as you see that he's directly behind that would be will free safety But if that receiver is further out to the sideline now that free safety comes down because you're not gonna blitz them from 15 yards back So he would now be at five yards Which then would make the center declare the will Justin Reed over the guard as the Mike Linebacker and turn the line that way. And then you would much better be able to pick up this. You still have a guy running free, but it would be the widest guy and not two guys up the B gap. But instead, because he's tight, what happens? It turns into a corner cat blitz automatically.

Will free safety with a condensed split turns into corner cat. And then the fact that Spencer Brown and the Bills do not sift away from the way the center does, you get two free rushes right up the begin. So this is maybe a play design flaw as opposed to a quarterback check protection flaw. Maybe. Specifically against spags. Because this is what he loves to do in nut-cutting time. Go back to last year's Super Bowl, the play that I think McDuffie tips the ball from Brock. It's

the same exact glitch. Two minute mark too. The same exact time. It's what he loves to do. So if it's a tight split, corner will come instead of the safety coming. If they're split out wide, safety will come down, safety will come. Instead, safety swaps with corner once corner blitzes. Now your job is running back whose wide receiver safety as corner comes on. Yeah, so like AQ's seen it, I guess, from the offensive standpoint. I think from a defensive standpoint, especially with Spags, I think it's called a cat blitz, especially with McDuffie. So he's calling this and once Joe Brady brings out this tight formation, it just helps us because if we are split wide like AQ said or if it's two receivers then that's when we switch it and give that blitz to the safety but

there are indicators here if you go back to the beginning that a blitz will come you can only send a corner blitz typically if you have a split safety look because that safety has to get over top of that number one wide receiver the other part of it is that's Ty Johnson That's a running back not a you know a badass at receiver So we're not worried about blitz and our best cover guy leaving him 101 in space and fourth and five and then Shakira being at the snap of the ball three or four yards behind Josh Allen So a lot of people said just swing it out to him

If you swing this ball out to him You have to flip your hips and actually make that throw and then you got three or four guys Rallying to make this tackle probably before that fourth down marker So I think the formation of play call it played right into Spags his hand because if you Like this is what Spags wants to do. He wants to get his DBs involved in the blitz He loves sending athletes after the quarterback especially in critical moments of the game. Hall of Fame coaches across the board for Kansas City. I'm not saying that's not the case for Philadelphia. We will see. Fangio certainly going to be in conversation. Siriani?

Without a doubt. The way his career has started, without a doubt. Kelly Moe? Maybe. Kellen Moore has a chance to get into the combo. We'll see how it goes if he ends up going to New Orleans. Stalin? Stalin, the offensive line coach obviously yes agreed he's a Hall of Famer but if you look at the Kansas City Chiefs special teams coordinator Hall of Famer, Tobe. Defense coordinator Spags Hall of Famer Andy Reed Hall of Famer that helps H that helps especially in those massive massive moments of an AFC Championship game H. Well have you just listened to the Chiefs players talk about Andy Reid?

He's so like humble about it when he like redirects it But listen to the defensive players talk about spags and like watch their interactions with spags. It's like spags is the man He is the leader they listen to him but it's like seems very collaborative as well to where he actually listens to them and listen to them in the game too and Adjust off of what they're seeing out there. What was that last year? He said normally you have like two guys that are like coaches on the field on defense You know that you can kind of throw anything out. He said all 11 guys Are coaches on the field for me? That's very abnormal and we certainly take advantage of it feels like it's the same thing this year

With that defense squad. Yeah And like to Bill's point earlier about like the players and everything like how much experience matters like I would just you know as a fan think like Coaching is where that really matters because like guys like Andy Reid like he's not gonna shrivel up and pucker up and get all nervous In certain situations same with spags like some of these younger coaches who are getting in their first Super Bowl Like we always talk about like well Maybe the moment just got too big for him or even a guy like Sean McDermott who has been there time and time again but hasn't been able to

get over the hump. Joe Brady is a super young guy like you don't see Andy Reid or Spags like they're not making those we're never talking a Monday after a game like well the moment was too big for Andy Reid you know he kind of just he shriveled up he made the wrong call like it seems like he's been there enough times and so His bags those guys always make the right decisions in the biggest moment when the specs saw that tight Split you play right to us in there sitting on a sideline Yeah, yeah, everybody play cool play cool play cool please please yeah

I mean that is and it's all happening within spur of the moment, but maybe for they brought Seven they sent six or seven to play before in the third and ten I think they picked up five yard on a quick screen But you you come out a tight split because you think about you playing man If you go empty you go five wide you trying to send a blitz you trying it's hard for you to disguise that as a defense But once things get tighter, it's easier for us to disguise and communicate switch Responsibilities when the offenses are tighter. We hate to play call. I hate to play call for you know for Buffalo for defense I love it. You hate play call. So the biggest thing when you play Spags you know he likes to pressure

and you and you know he loves to bring zero that was literally our entire game plan when we went against them in the Super Bowl it's like he's gonna bring pressure he's gonna bring seven he's gonna bring pressure, he's gonna bring seven, he's gonna bring zero, so we have to have an answer. So hey, how many times are we gonna need to call Gronk back into protection? How many times are we gonna have to have a back in protection? So by going empty in that moment and nut cutting time, nobody's gonna bring something and the O-line has them all and you only got five and they're gonna bring something, some type of zone pressure, some type of zero, some type of something, you gotta have an extra guy.

I love that he's so aggressive, especially in the biggest moments. That's why he's going to go down as a goat. There's a lot of them over there in Kansas City. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a four-time Super Bowl champ, three as a head coach for the Kansas City Chiefs, one as an assistant coach for the Green Bay Packers. Ladies and gentlemen, head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, Andy Reid. Hey coach! All right guys, how you doing?

Amazing! Thank you for taking time out of your life and joining us. We're obviously massive fans and we know you got a lot going on, so thank you, thank you, thank you. Let's get right into it. We were just talking there about that fourth down play where Spags brought the corner blitz off the tight split. How nice is it to know that Spags is your defensive coordinator and what are the conversations between you and he strategy wise going into each game? Yeah, so Spags and I have been around each other for 40 years. People probably don't know that, but all the way back to when we were college coaches and so I kind of know exactly what he's thinking

at what time of the game. And I full trusted him and whatever he likes in those situations, he dials up and goes. I'm not a restrictor on that. Yeah, I love that. And then your special teams coordinator, Tobe, he's a Hall of Famer as well. You guys have gotten massive special teams plays

in seemingly every game you've had over this recent dynastic run you're on. How have you been able to piece together this staff and then keep them? You know, Spaggs just interviewed, I think for Jacksonville and for the Jets. Tobe, I assume, has gotten interviews as well, but you three are a master class at very important spots. What are your thoughts on Tobe and your special teams? Yeah, I think the world of Tobe, he's another one I've been around with for 40 years.

He and Spags actually went to Springfield together and played and then Tobe transferred to UTEP and I was the coach at UTEP. So we're all kind of intertwined there somewhere and we know what each other's thinking and we're able to just kind of move on with it. It has to be great to do it alongside people that you've known for so long. It's been fun to watch your team do their thing. Last year, the big conversation about your team was, oh, they're winning in a different way. You know, they're handing the ball off, they're playing good defense. This year, you guys continue to have the best record in football and they said, this team stinks.

They're not playing good at all They're not doing this What do you think it is about your team and why you are able to win in is such a variety of ways coach? Well, Shipley told me I need to run the ball some more Start acting like an old lineman and run the ball. You're an old line guy at heart. Yeah That's right. So But listen, we had a few injuries at the wide receiver spot. We're bringing guys in So it sure helped to have that run game available and the linemen do love doing it and they do it well Coach whenever you think about Patrick, obviously we just talked about his greatness and how he has this clutch gene and everything like that.

What do you think gets left out of the conversation about Patrick? Is it how good of a teammate he is, his work ethic? What do you think doesn't get mentioned enough about the guy who's trying to win another Super Bowl and he's only 29? Yeah, well you know the kid and so he's a great kid. He grew up in a locker room. He's humble. What a phenomenal teammate. He's always complimenting his guys.

He kind of knows when to pull on him and when to back off and compliment. He's just got a good way about him. And he's smart on top of all that and is a very hard worker. Do you still draw up random ass plays, you know, like even at this stage of the season? Are we still drawing up ridiculous plays to maybe drop them into the Super Bowl? Yeah, that's the fun part. So I've got these coaches here that have creative minds and they love doing it.

We get the players involved too. I'm not, it doesn't matter if it's a lineman or a quarterback, whoever. If they've got something good, let's put it out on the table and see what you got. And I've got 51% of the vote, but I still am open minded with it. What was it? Chili dog, corn dog, hot dog, corn dog, corn dog, whatever it was. Feels like the names of these plays are also legend at Wasp. Yep. From a couple years ago, we've obviously learned about.

Can't wait to see what you draw for New Orleans. Go ahead AJ Coach can you talk a little bit about Chris Jones? Watching the guy play it's it's a lot of fun We see how emotional he gets after big wins and it seems like this dude really cares about the team and wants to win Can you say like what does that mean for your defense? Obviously, he's such a physical force I know speaking to all the linemen around the league. They obviously hate playing you guys because blocking this guy's is a Disaster, but what does he mean to that defense?

Listen you and that guy next to you over there You guys would love to have him in front of you. He's one of those kind of guys that just goes and he's got that pass rush ability. He's a bigger human being that I think people think he's a big old kid and And loves to play. He's really developed into a leader over the years. He was a kind of a goofball when he was younger, but he's really he's turned it into being a real positive leader out there. And I appreciate that part.

So he's an all pro player. You see him play every Sunday and that's what he is. He's, he cries national anthem. He cries whenever a big play is made. He cries whenever you guys are going to the Super Bowl. It's like, I love how emotionally invested he is in your program and your team. Does that make you feel good that your biggest players are that bought into your program and everything like that when you see stuff like that?

Yeah, listen, that's real too. I mean he gets fired up for it I'm good with it. He can cry all he wants to cry He can whatever he doesn't he's not crying when he's sacking the quarterback. No. Yeah, everybody else is crying Yeah, especially about the refs. Hey, have you heard that conversation? You know you and the refs are meeting like what tonight for the Super Bowl is that what's happening? Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah Try not to pay attention to that stuff. So it's loud coach. It's loud. It's stupid This happens whenever you win note happen for the Patriots for 20-plus years

Let's talk about another veteran on your team a Q has a question for you coach coach congrats on going to another Super Bowl Let's talk a little bit about Joe Tooney obviously going to his sixth Super Bowl on two different teams But can you just talk a little bit about what he means to that team and the character? That it shows he has being able to move from basically a Hall of Fame type guard out to tackle Yeah, you know that that's a tough deal, man. It's a lonely area out there at the tackle spot. There's normally the other two spots you're you're you've got friends on both sides out there.

You don't. And it can be a short corner at time if the tight ends not next to you. So it's you've got to you know, you got to be wired right for that thing and have enough athletic ability to play it and he's got all of that. How's that conversation go? He says, I'll go out to tackle if we need it. Do you ask him how do we make that decision?

Yeah, he's willing to do anything. I mean, that's how, again, that's how he's wired. He's just, he says, wherever you need me, whatever you need done, I'm good to go. He's been an all pro center, he's been an all pro guard, and he probably would be an all pro tackle if he was out there long enough. Now he might be a Super Bowl champion tackle.

What a career he's piecing together. Got a tough defense coming up. Go ahead, D-Butch. Yeah, Coach, we were talking about your defense and Spags on the other side. Vic Fangio, he's kind of turned this Philadelphia defense around. What's the biggest challenge facing this Eagles defense

in the Super Bowl in a couple of weeks? Yeah, man, that guy, I can't get rid of that guy. He's everywhere. And he's tough. He's got a great scheme. And that defense plays their heart out. That's a tremendous defense offense too. But that you're asking me about the defense and Vic is as good as anybody in this league,

man. He, he, uh, everywhere he goes, he puts together these defenses that are, that are tough. Yeah. And when they ran his ass out of Miami, they thought it was Vic Fangy over. Yeah. Instead, he goes to Philadelphia and they're flying around Let's talk about one of the goats go ahead tie Yeah coach throughout the last couple years It seems like when it comes to Travis Kelsey people are saying oh, you know Maybe this guy's lost a step or two his production isn't quite the same and then the playoffs roll around and he turns back the Clock and he looks like you know primetime Travis Kelsey

What is about him that makes it you know when the playoffs come around you know that you know that he's going to produce, he's going to have a hundred yard games, and in the biggest moments, he's always going to be there and come up big for you guys. Yeah, listen, he's a great player and he's got guys around him now. We're a little bit healthier and so all the, all these defensive coordinators, their whole focus isn't on just Trav and stopping Trav. And so it frees them up a little bit. He hasn't changed anything from before. I mean, he can still do all the same things, but he's got a couple of guys on. Then you go a different direction and have to work another area. But he's, he's still really a good football player.

Keeps himself in great shape. Never wants to miss a rep and practice. Hates coming out of the game. I mean, absolutely hates coming out of the game. So I love that part of him. He's one of our team captains been voted that for the last, how many ever years here and just does a good all around job there. He told us that he's feeling 22. You knowming Taylor a little bit another guy yeah you

get it another guy who's actually 22 I think Xavier worthy how first of all whenever you guys draft him trade up with the bills to draft him do you think to yourself how come everybody lets us get the fastest guys all the time and whatever you get him on your team does your brain just immediately start Do you think to yourself, how come everybody lets us get the fastest guys all the time? And whenever you get him on your team, does your brain just immediately start cooking up ways to get him the rock? Yeah, I mean, Matt Nagy does a good job with that. He puts him in a lot of different positions where he can operate.

The kid is willing to do it. I would tell you that having Hollywood here has really helped that part. I mean, Hollywood wants to play every down, he wants to play every spot. He's a smaller guy. So he fits in there and kind of the same body type. And likewise with Deshaun Jackson, I was lucky to have Deshaun and we put him everywhere and he was an every down guy. And that's what Worthy wants to be. And he's willing to work at it.

Yeah. And your work with Tyreek obviously is well documented. I mean, the fastest guys in the league always find their way to an Andy Reid offense. And it seems like it's cheating, but it seemingly also works. We asked coach Belichick about the advantages of having a Super Bowl experience team. For you, do you think there is any advantages to your team understanding what this next week and a half is going to look like for you guys?

Yeah, well, it does help. We're playing another Super Bowl tested team. So it's a they were there one of the times that we were there. And, and listen, it, um, I, I think in this case, maybe it doesn't, it doesn't really matter, but it's going to be two good football teams playing each other. It's going to be great for the national football league and most of all for the fans out there. So, and they'll give you guys something to talk about. Yeah. No, hopefully in a good way right we need that coach We've been talking about your team a lot with how great they are and we can't thank you enough for stopping by for a quick

Trip in a quick break in the itinerary safe travels down in New Orleans and good luck to your team Alright, listen. I appreciate it. You guys are doing a nice job man. Great job. Hey, we're trying we for you, too You guys doing a great job man great job hey we're trying we pretty you too you guys doing a great job yeah phenomenal appreciate you pat mcafee dog got it ladies coach and reid we appreciate you that was awesome so he had there's no time in the schedule for today no no no i sent a text over hey is there any chance coach reid can stop by in the next few days it's a lot we can make 10 minutes today though if you can promise us 10 minutes. I'm like definitely. We'd love for him to stop by.

So we just did a rapid fire there of Andy Reed. He's close to the vest with everything. Obviously, close to the vest with everything. But Xavier Worthy there, falling to his team and then them trading with the Buffalo Bills. Obviously you got immediately reacted as soon as it happens on draft night But it's like how come the fastest humans in the NFL always find their way to the Andrew Reid offense and then Nagy He's giving credit to which I respect and appreciate congrats to Nagy doing his thing. It's like they utilize it, too They use every single piece of grass on the field and they really put defenses in terrible positions

He is such a smart coach and I think what you played for him I played for him for two years and that was kind of cool that he remembered because it was a very brief time in my career and the fact that he even remembered my name was actually kind of cool but at the end of the day when I literally was on the practice squad there like I didn't yeah I He didn't have to do remember me whatsoever. But getting back to playing from the one thing that I remember about him was, we talk about the run game and like he does not look at just handoffs and pitches to the running back as the run game.

He looks at those swing passes out in front. He looks at getting the ball to the perimeter. Those are all extensions of the run game. He is not big on, hey, let's give this guy 25, 30 carry. That's not the way he sees this. It's how many times can we get our guys the ball out in space, even if it's just perimeter throws or whatever. It might be behind the line of scrimmage. It might be on the line of scrimmage, but he looks at all of those as extensions of the run game. Super duper accountable guy, right? Like that's his thing. Yeah. And listen, like if you even watch the the last couple plays, yes, super accountable,

but he also coaches his guys so hard and they're always prepared for the moments. Like if you look at that play where it was the fullback or the fullback and they run the roll out and they get the first down late in the game, they run to the line of scrimmage, they get out of the line of scrimmage, they're hide, Damar Hamlin gets lost in the sauce, right? And then you get a wide open guy. When they run the little mesh route to win it to a P rind, right? He comes across, you get the three receivers going this way, and they get picked. So many guys miss that pick.

They miss the pick, but everybody is so well coached, they do their job, and it doesn't matter when. And you need to trust them, trust that guy in that moment. And you talked about even like Worthy and the extension of the run game, like their past game was even Worthy. He didn't have a ton of downfield catches this year. Hollywood didn't, he was obviously wasn't healthy, but a lot of their past game is horizontal, crossers, his pick, getting the ball in these guys' hands and then

getting the third and manageable, converting third downs and taking care of the football. That's kind of the theme of both of these football teams going into the Super Bowl, taking care of the football and then taking away on the defensive side. Chiefs are favored by one and a half. Let's head over to Hammer. God time.

For some more gambling news on the big game next Sunday. Yes, they are favored by one and a half across the board. All books have it at that. They, the total is 49 and a half. As you would predict, the public is hammering the over of 49.5. 75% of the public is on the over. 80% so far is on the Eagles early early betting. 80%? This is very early.

Yeah, very early. I mean as you get into the second week and those huge million, two million, all those million dollar bets come in, that'll change a lot. Some of the player prop stuff that I was looking at Dallas Goddard right now is the most bet on player prop of his over 50 and a half I believe receiving yards. The Chiefs are 30 seconds in giving up yards to tight end so I believe that's that stat has leaked out there so that's probably why there's a lot of potential on Goddard right now. The other interesting one is Saquon, that man right there, I think his overrunner is 112-ish, somewhere around there, different books. Jeez, that's in the Super Bowl.

That's crazy. And the thing is the Chiefs do not, this playoff, the Super Bowl run that they've been on for the last few years, this dynasty that they've been on, they do not give up 100 yard rushers. It hasn't happened in years and years and years So that is something to watch and there's just more and more trickle. No a fun one kicker Eagles Why can I think of his name Jake Elliott Jake Elliott? His total is set at six and a half points Over under he's gone over that in seven straight games So that was just something else that we were looking at going forward Okay So that was just something else that we were looking at going forward Okay And I believe a Q's just looked up another stat to kind of piggyback off what you said about spags his defenses since 2019 they have not allowed a hundred yard rush on the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah, that's a long time ago. That's six years ago

Championships face say one Barkley. Yeah. Well, he was he was on the Giants He wasn't in playoffs did did face Derek Henry though When Derek Henry was doing it that was that was back when it all started. Yeah Yeah, that was when this whole thing started when he was with the Titans and Tannehill would get a hundred mil and Derek would get 50 mil and then now they would fire Vrabel and Derek Henry go Baltimore Ravens where Chuck Pagano is AJ How about that Chuck going back to work in there? I mean, I'm not surprised. I mean you guys talked about when he when he was on earlier Yeah, the fact that Chuck is going back. It does seem like the perfect fit for him and you you joked with him

You said man, you're glowing Chuck, but like he was he legit looked like This dude like seemed very very excited to get back out there and start coaching people up I know Ty asked him about like perspective He's still gonna get on him and jump dudes Like I think Chuck is still gonna have plenty of fire in his coach first day back after he beat leukemia Take punt period first period. I think I've told this story before he's bald Okay, just came out of chemo and everything like that. I Hit some shank maybe

Something happened and he looks at me and goes let's fucking go and I'm like I'm just happy to be alive right now You know, I would just happy to be alive. You know, we got a game to win You know, we got a game to win loves ball loves coaching loves making people better Which I think is why he's so, you know joyful because he has that mission yet again you know Bill Belichick has come on here every single week and there's been numerous weeks where Bill is clearly not thrilled that he is joining us you know like he is certainly mines potentially in other places then whenever he gets that North Carolina job that next time he was on it

was like he was literally floating above it was like I'm back into having a reason almost in a why and I'm excited for all of them joining us now ladies and gentlemen is a future first ballot Hall of Famer he's a member of the Bull Ring of Honor down there in Houston for the Texans ladies and gentlemen the owner of the Burnley soccer squad raise the clts. JJ Wadd. Raise them. Good afternoon. Raise them. Up them. Up the Clarets. Of course. Up them. Up them. How are we doing? How are the Clarets doing? Have they been upped? Are we upping the shit out of these Clarets? Oh we're just setting club records for shutouts. Seven in a row row only giving up nine holes in 26 matches. So no big deal Hold on. This is the if he doesn't let up a goal the rest of the year. You have to go play for the Bengals guy

Yeah, yeah starting literally to get a little more concerned about it here as we go because Leeds was the number the leads was top of the table It was a great matchup between two teams at the top of the table. They didn't put one past him. And we don't have anybody at the top of the table coming up. So it's getting a little dicey here. We've only given up nine in 26.

The ratios are starting to get a little wild. Wow, that's crazy in soccer. It only give up nine goals in 26 games. Yeah. That is crazy, isn't it? Crazy. That is a lot of cagey. Literally a record in English football history tied for the record. So there's 28 games. Yeah, really Yeah, it's a record

Why you saying it's getting dicey don't you want to go play for the Bengals it's a beautiful city over there beautiful team I'll go I just I don't want to I don't want to tackle I don't want to be hit anymore. I don't want to wake up at 5 a.m. To go do a field goal block meeting I really really have no interest in those okay don't want to stay after for the PA meetings and You know, I just really enjoy setting my own schedule and doing what I like to do and generally don't love All those things and having the guy count my reps as I do pull-ups in the weight room, you know Yeah, so you just want to play pro bowl football sounds like you just want to play

You know, we don't want to tackle we don't want to be held accountable we don't want to do any of that I obviously had a chance to play in a Pro Bowl game with you. Late in the fourth quarter, I was trying to get you back on the field with Andrew and with many of the Pouncies, I believe I was trying to get back on the field because if we were to win, that'd be a $40,000 difference for me.

And although you didn't care, I certainly did. And I think you took the Pro Bowl very seriously. You were the player MVP in 2015, I do believe, of the Pro Bowl and obviously for the last 10 years, 15 years, the Pro Bowl has certainly become something that not a lot of football people are proud of. Now, can't blame the players for not wanting to get injured, can't blame the players for what it has become, and obviously the NFL isn't the only league that's trying to figure out

their all-star game, but yesterday whenever Drake May gets announced as a Pro Bowler after winning two games and obviously I think Drake would even say he didn't plan on becoming a Pro Bowler you put out a tweet that said you know let's just start calling it the participation bowl instead of the Pro Bowl this used to mean something I heard it actually in his voice say this used to be special this used to be something awesome what are your expanded thoughts on the Pro Bowl and is it savable I don't think it is I don't think there's any right answer Jage I think it's okay to just admit that something is run its course I think

there was obviously a time where it held a serious level of prestige and honor and guys went and thoroughly enjoyed it and played and put in some great effort I mean obviously the Sean Taylor clip comes to mind. But I think over the years, the way the business has grown and the way that the risk level has gone through the roof for if you're a guy in a contract here or if you were God forbid to get hurt in that Pro Bowl, what it means for your next season, what it means for your career for these teams.

It just does not make sense it just is what it is so understandably that's why they've gone to this whatever flag you know playing capture the flag format which is you know well the good flag football it's in the Olympics place I'll have you know okay but anyways we've gone to whatever this is so like I get it like it's just but but do not we can't we can't be calling guys Pro Bowlers we can't be saying this is a Pro Bowl this is a Pro Bowl line this is a Pro Bowl tight end like he's got three Pro Bowls like if you're I just the voting process from the beginning we should discuss but that's its own right thing but just this whole thing, it's like, come on, what are we doing here?

We're doing it for the commercial dollars on a couple million viewers on a random ass Tuesday that nobody's watching a couple guys run around. What do they do? What do you think they should do physically? What could they do that we would want? I literally don't know. That's why I said I think it might be just okay to admit that something's running its course like you're never gonna get rid of it because it still makes money like I'm not an idiot like it still is a television show there's

audience and there's commercials for it because great that's gonna happen but oh yeah big spike is about to be awesome Jade you've never seen it maybe don't judge it before you get a chance to see it linemen are gonna be spiking balls onto a machine that measures the amount of power and then how about Helmut Hormann his game shows players knowledge of their teammate. Love that. Okay. That's embarrassing guys. Yeah a relay race that'll be fun you know because are we passing a baton are we

doing the entire thing track baton for the NFL and then satisfying catches presented by Snakers. Wide receivers, tight ends and corners are put through a timed catching obstacle course and then obviously the quarterback carnival is what they should be calling that one. Dana Rolovsky stole the show last year which once again goes back to JJ's point if Dana Rolovski is the one stealing the show, maybe we shouldn't be doing. Head to head, you got a Madden game, that's fun. That's good content. Perfect punters and non-punters compete

to punt footballs into six large cups. That'll be fun. That'll be good. The Great Football Race, a five-leg course that tests everything from kicking to agility to strength. A decathlon of sorts around football toggle war and then obviously flag football it's the Pro Bowl game The Pro Bowl games are Pro Bowl, the Pro Bowl games are Pro Bowl, the Pro Bowl games are Pro Bowl games.

It's the Pro Bowl games, Jage. Yeah, it's on ESPN. Yeah, we're a part of the problem. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. Starts tomorrow night, tomorrow night, 7 o'clock Eastern. Be a friend, tell a friend. It's okay for me to admit that I don't like it or agree with it and also I don't have a solution. So that I don't have the answer answer I don't know what the answer is you're

part of problem in you know you're in a problem business I'm in a solution business and I'll tell you what if it wasn't for that second page of games I would have been out but once they turn that this one right here is what really probably pump perfect at the three-legged race you guys were talking about this three-legged race I think that's part of the football race. Yeah, that's part of the football race. Is that a one-man or a two-man race? Hi-yo! Depends on who it is, obviously, Judge. I was, yeah.

But, yes, I concur. I think we all do. And this is the NFL, and I assume ESPN and all of its partners trying to figure out how we keep this as something that is of importance and to your point about millions of people watching This can outrate every NBA game every single baseball game every single NHL game And you know it is something that has a lot of history being a pro bowler to your point We were the first yeah guys got to stop putting in their contract by the way because You're gonna get screwed on it like don't put pro bowl in your contract because of the way the voting goes and everything like even if you're very deserving you might not get it so just if you're a player out there recommendation probably wouldn't put

pro bowl in there as an escalator. Well when we were growing up you know the pro bowl out in Hawaii with the quarterback challenge and everything in the 40-yard dash and fastest man yada yada yada the obstacle. Larry Allen putting up 45 reps on the bench yeah that was awesome that was like dream you know like a dream to make the Pro Bowl someday and why and then I made it my first year and we're in Phoenix remember it was like 24 degrees we had to drive three hours into the desert for a practice and there was really no events there was no pool and they didn't even run out the entire hotel you

remember there was another conference happening in the hotel, and I'm like, what the fuck are we doing? They didn't want me to go pour concrete out in the middle of the desert or whatever. It's like, I'm not doing that. I'm not, I think I was up for the Walter Payne man of the year, and I skipped the, the, the full, yeah, I skipped the, I was up for Walter Payne man of the year, and they were like, all right, Tuesday morning, you're gonna go out and you're gonna pour concrete in the middle of the desert.

And I said, no, I'm not. And they said- Bus was a little light that day. Bus was a little light that day. See, Jayj, I knew you were going. So that's why I said no. And I had to do a rich, eyes in 40 yard dash to make up for it, you know, for St. Jude

or whatever the case and it was me I think Witten was there and then Who's the DB that ripped crab trees to leave? Yeah, I keep to leave. I'm like, oh we weren't pouring concrete. Nope Alright, let's go ahead and do this. So, you know my friend kind of lost its luster immediately as soon as I got there I'm like, what are we doing? What is this is the Pro Bowl? So if the NFL wants players to take it serious, what I would suggest is you take it serious NFL, you know? And if you want it to be a real thing,

I think we're going to have to act like it's a real thing as opposed to what it has become. But nonetheless, congrats to Drake May making a pro bowl. Hell yeah, Drake. AJ has a question for you, JJ. JJ, getting back to this Super Bowl game, let's say you're playing and you're trying to defend Saquon Barkley and what he's doing.

As a D lineman, I guess, D lineman, Dn, we know we move you everywhere. How does that change your game plan when you know, like, there's certain times that would be passing downs, I think, for other teams that might not be with Saquon. Does that slow your rush down at all? And how do you, how do you stop a guy like Saquon? Yeah, it's, it purely comes down to team defense. Every single person has to be in their gap. I know that there's times that this is rich coming from me as a guy who made some

plays by doing some things unconventionally. But it's full team defense. Everybody has to be in their gap. Everybody has to know exactly where they need to be, what gap they're covering. And he's talked about it before some of his best biggest runs and when he's setting you up he's faking into one gap and bouncing out into the other because he saw something earlier in the game that you can take advantage of or he could get you to commit down into a gap that might not be your own

and then bounce out to the one you're supposed to be in so it purely comes down to every single guy combining to create a wall that he can't get through but also you have to be realistic. He's like one Barkley he's gonna get some runs he's gonna break some you can't let that discourage you you can't let that affect you as the game goes on you have to just go out there and keep playing and to your point about third downs or passing situations that's a very real like there's no doubt that we try to get the third down

so that we earn the right to rush the passer. So when you get there, you're geeked up, you're ready to go. You're in your pass rush stance. And sometimes that's when it's the easiest because you're creating seams to run right behind you. So it's just about trying to put them in a situation, also hoping your offense puts up some points so that they can't just keep running the ball.

Geeked up, geeked up, geeked up and then they pound you right in the mouth. Yeah. That is uh Lions were doing that this year. Oh yeah. Eagles were doing that this year. Whenever you have a talented offensive line you can certainly pull that off. AQ says Philadelphia Eagles have the best offensive line in all of football. He didn't expect them to win this many games though, Jade. So tell me how that makes sense. Tell me how that makes sense. I feel like I've heard AQ say five different teams this year had the best offensive line.

Well, we had a week to week. Well, it's because it was week to week if you paid attention. Oh, he did, he did. I mean, I'm literally on the show with you, so I do pay attention, but currently they are. Are they this week's best of the four remaining or are they the best of the whole season?

Where are we at? So at the end of the regular season, I did the season and I said Philly was the best of the season. Yeah, not just week to week. But where was he in your power rankings? I think nine times they were the best during the year. And then in week to week.

How far ahead of the Lions were they? So the Lions were eight. So I had literally Eagles Lions, it was one-two. Yeah, and then he said, Eagles can't win though in the playoffs because Jalen Hurts can't play football good. And then Jalen Hurts comes out in slices and dices and he still just refuses to believe his eyes. So there's a little stubbornness, he's a little conflicted. I really liked earlier in today's show when AQ gave his take on the corner blitz the safety blitz or the wheel blitz straight into the corner blitz and then D-Bot came on and said no that wasn't actually

that it was just a straight-up corner blitz. I was hoping for a bit of more cute thing. I don't think that's what was said at all. Well I mean there's two things. They're the exact same thing. They're the exact same thing. They respect us. They're perfect. Jage, what are your thoughts on that? What do you think about that particular thing? I have no idea. I'm not going to speak on it because I don't know shit about those corner blitzes because I never had to worry about it. So I don't know which person is right.

I would love for you guys to battle it out and get to an answer. We should have asked Reed. Andy Reed. We should have. He would have told us. He didn't tell shit now. He was Not nothing brother he didn't say we could ask him what food was today. We're gonna eat the food that we yeah We're eat food. We know we're gonna dump it out later. You know standard human stuff, and then yeah should be good alright Con man has a question for you JJ. Yeah, you're getting fucking yeah Holy shit. I can't believe some of the atrocities you are claiming on a Q today. It is I'm embarrassed for a Q as a friend

Oh my god Yeah, I'm embarrassed trust me We don't know we don't know who's right if you could be right did they disagree Yeah, D. But said it was called corner blitz. Hey Q said that it was uh Since the split was in bang corner comes anyways. Yeah, so man, you know We'd have to ask bags and he won't tell us he won't he won't So I don't know if we'll ever get the right answer. We won't we won't but James certainly says He was wrong

You got to get their stick your stick is just like trying to like our Gasoline on fire Your stick is acting like you're not mad. Oh, shit. It's okay, brother. JJ, a lot of first year head coaches, also some guys kind of coming back. Pete Carroll, Mike Vrabel. How do you think those meetings and everything is going to look for those new teams?

Shoddy in Dallas and then essentially they're saying Kelly Moe also in New Orleans. The first meeting for a new head coach is always interesting because it gives you a snapshot. I mean, it's the whole first impressions. You only get one shot at them, and it gives you a snapshot into what you should expect throughout their tenure.

Some guys come in pure fire and brimstone, motivational. And you have to remember, this is happening in OTAs. So this is gonna happen in probably April. You're gonna come in pure fire and brimstone, motivational. And you have to remember, this is happening in OTAs. So this is going to happen in probably April. You're going to come in, that's the first time you actually get to talk to your full team and be in front of them. So they have a lot of time to think about this, to plan it out. And some guys come in purely motivational. And that's a little tough in April because you're getting everybody fired up to go do

a 90 minute workout and then head home for the day. You know there's not like a true fire and brimstone there. For me, if I'm a head coach and I'm coming into that meeting for the first time at the beginning OTAs, I want to lay out the vision of why this is going to be successful. Show these guys that you have a plan. Show these guys that you have it already worked out in your head. You're visualizing exactly how this is gonna go, how we're going to be successful. And here's what I need from you.

Give them a checklist of things that you want them to accomplish to help you reach that goal and how you're all going to come together to accomplish it. Because if you're just hoping to do it on pure motivation or pure tactics on the field, it's not going to work. You have to really systematically lay it out and give these guys a reason to believe and give you everything They got how'd you feel about? Jacksonville being located in the county of

Duval What are your thoughts on this legit? tie tie has Already made his judgment I said we should reserve judgment because we have no idea if this guy's going to be a great head coach or not. I don't think we know if anybody is going to be a great head coach or not,

unless they've done it in the past and have had massive success. Ty though, thanks to that guy. Yeah, he's going to stink. Okay, that's how he feels. Your thoughts on players watching this and kind of all unraveled before they even get in the building.

If you don't think players watch that, pass it around in their own text messages, et cetera, you're crazy. They absolutely have passed that around and it does, you're going into that first meeting like, all right, let me feel this guy out. Let me see what we got. I will say that that's just this year's version

of Jonathan Gannon shot shots, pew, pew, pew, shot shots, or the Adam Gase press conference with the crazy eyes from a few years ago. So every year it does seem to be that we get one guy that walks into that press conference and you're like oh what was that so I do think he's kind of got kind of got to win the guys back a little bit after that don't do that in the first meeting probably or do it as a joke and play it off yeah what the hell was that But I don't know what do you think? Well I thought his face knew that his mouth was doing something that shouldn't do. You know at the time cuz

down there in the county of Duval. You know the head movement man and the shoulders he rolls the shoulders with it. Beast. Killing the game with this one. Yeah, dog. Basically, the big conversation we had after that was like, he's just gotta be himself all the time. Like if he's a goober and that's who he is, just be that all the time,

because if not, the players will sense it, they'll see it. You brought up Adam Gase, that obviously didn't work out. Then Sirianni had a situation, his opening press conference where everybody thought he was a big dumb dipshit. It has worked out worked out MC DC they said this guy's an absolute dipshit it has worked out for him there's been situations that have gone good there's been situations that have gone bad so maybe we don't say that this guy is gonna absolutely stink we'll be back tomorrow I don't think the lighting oh all right jageage. Oh my god. What an embarrassment.

Yeah. Oh, my god. The only thing we say is don't embarrass the program. Yeah. And that's really the only rule. I that's the only rule. That was it. I did it. I take full responsibility. Go ahead. AQ. Let it fly what is uh alex perera do is that what you think? exhibit a why are your knees so close? exhibit a what? why are your knees so close? don't listen to him aq

aq's gonna kill everybody on set there's a chance i think aq very well could be right like i never said you were wrong. Yeah the way you laid it out. I said you guys had differing opinions. That's not what you said. You listened to it back. You'll see how we all took it the way you meant it to be said. AQ said that you know became a corner because of the split and then D-Bot said I I thought... Oh, you said it! How would you know? How would either of them know? Nobody knows.

Well, you're acting like you're on one side. And I think you can feel that. Look, the guy's starting to sweat. I mean, I usually do research before I say something. So I talked to a quarterback who maybe played for the Chiefs. One of the D-Coordinators might have been spagged, so... OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH-T-C-R-Y-T-E-T-E-Q-U-L-E-S-T-E-N-T-E-P-E-R-F-E-C-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E-N-T-E- Oh Carry the two equals got it. Perfect. You're starting to sweat though a little bit JJ But now give the butt a chance to rebut that cuz you're coming at D, but not me. No, he's not You're not stirring his pot over here. Don't you think you're driving a wedge over here in the Thunderdome from your estate down there in Texas? Pal, okay. We don't need you high society

Hoity-toity bullshit and starting brawls over here in Indiana Okay, jage, okay, jeez I have no thoughts on it. I have no opinion. I don't know shit about shit about corner blitzes I know literally less than nothing about him other than that I have to pirate down inside if a guy's coming from my side. That doesn't matter to me at all So when you pirate down is it because of a tight split or is it because the play was called that way? I'm not smart enough to know that type of stuff. Somebody else has to tell me from behind me.

AJ's got to say, hey, pirate down. What's he say? Arrrrrr! Yeah, to the left. Hey, JJ, arrrrr! That's our code word. I love everything about it. All right, speaking of corner, D-Butt has a question for you, Jage. I know you were out in Kansas City for the AFC Championship, and I feel like after the

game, you know, it's been a lot of people, they feel so, so, so sorry for Josh Allen and losing again to Patrick Mahomes. What's your thoughts on Josh Allen and if he'll ever get over that hump that is Patrick Mahomes in the Kansas City Chiefs? Yeah, I agree with you. I do think that there are a lot of those sentiments going out there like, man, how bad we feel for the bills,

how bad we feel for Josh Allen. He just can't get over it, we wish he would. I understand that, I absolutely understand it. I understand how bad it sucks to get that close and not make it and how bad that has to feel. But if you flipped it and Josh Allen had won three the last four and going for his fifth, we would be saying the same thing

about Patrick Mahomes and his guys. We hate success, we don't hate necessarily the people that are having the success. So I don't really get this whole feeling sorry for them. It's a sport. It's not like there was an injury. It's not like there was some freak thing that happened or some crazy, I mean, I guess there's conversations of some freak things that happened, but neither here nor there.

But it's a sport. At the end of the day, one team wins, one team loses. It's not like, let's feel bad for these guys. That's what it is. That's what you sign up for. It really sucks you played in a different era might he have more championships Yeah, and if he was the one on the other side where we'd probably be hating him Just like everybody's hating the Chiefs at the moment. Yeah, probably because we hate success not the people. Mm-hmm Chiefs are heels by far like people hate Philadelphia as a whole

But I think 80% of the bets are on the Philadelphia Eagles hammer Don pounds tone digs. Is that right? That is correct. Yeah, that's cuz everybody hates chiefs like that is We're gonna start hating them though. Like when do you have so much success to where people start hating you? I think going into last year. Yeah after the second Super Bowl Yeah, I think going into last year was what then he went again and then obviously Taylor being a part of it all That's a whole nother Animal that's a whole nother piece of it that people hate him and it's just like that just kind of comes with it You know and I assume modern day if Jordan was playing right now Michael Jordan

He would be hated by everybody. I couldn't even fathom how bad everybody would hate him Just like everybody hates LeBron James because how great he is ain't that right when did that flip like why did everybody loved Michael was it because of the shoe because of the clothing brand I think we didn't have social media is that is that no they did love Michael right nobody ever really dislike correct yeah I love them but there wasn't social media for you to be able to hear all your see yeah like social media modern era you'll hear a reason why you should hate somebody and somebody be like, yeah, I didn't even think about that.

Fuck this guy. And then all of a sudden now bang, it's a group think situation. And it's like, yeah, I didn't even know that I hated this guy. You're writing more Taylor in the, yeah, of course. That's fake. That's not a real boom, boom, boom.

Oh, it must be nice to refs make all the, it just one thing leads to another You know and that's the world that we're in people have always thrown rocks at things that shine I believe you know if you're great or if you're in the spotlight people have always tried to knock people down But I think now with social media. There's a lot more like good point. Yep I'm gonna take that as if it's my own. And I think those who got to play sports before social media, like congrats. I don't think you had to take the blender

that is current modern media world that we're in, but it's good though. It's also a contrarian thing where people are like, oh, everybody likes that guy. I don't wanna be like everybody. Like I wanna be the guy that doesn't like him. And then, okay, let's get on that bandwagon. Whereas it's like, it's just kind of like that too cool for school. Everybody likes that guy. I don't want to be like everybody like I want to be the guy that doesn't like him and then Okay, let's get on that bandwagon. Whereas it's like it's just kind of like that too cool for school like oh, yeah

They're so good. I don't like them. Okay, Jaylen hurts. Yeah, big Jalen hurts has some D1 haters because oh Super handsome. Oh, so cool. I got a cool chain. My girlfriend's hot. Oh When oh The tush push I scored touchdown. Oh fuck you That's just natural. It's like 20 of those tweets a game that's just modern human nature these days with how it is and I'll tell you what you hang out in the paint. You're gonna get dunked on every once in a while That's right, but LeBron James, you know, he's had to deal with that his whole career

He has I grew up in the social media era Michael Jordan didn't have to he didn't every once in a while. That's right. But LeBron James, you know, he's had to deal with that his whole career. He has. He grew up in the social media era. Michael Jordan didn't have to. He didn't. This guy's a big Michael Jordan guy. Yeah, loves him. Yeah, hates LeBron.

Hates LeBron. It's crazy. You still like them both? Yes, hey man, you can, because they're playing two different sports. AQ does it. Two different sports. Ain't no party like a...

I love that you think it was two different sports. It was actually it is wasn't even close Physical in the 80s and 90s and now you can't touch anybody. I get it. I get it. You're telling me six foot eight Unbelievable Braun would never go against Bill Lamb The piston and I love those piss what'd you say Zito players missing 400 games. LeBron would have dropped 60 on the pistons and I love those pistons. What did you say Zito? Players missing 400 games. LeBron? No, Embiid.

Oh okay, we're talking about LeBron right now though. Not in day though, not in day. Different game though. Chicago, Chicago though. It is a different game, I agree, but like in that particular case the load management is certainly a part of that whole thing. LeBron doesn't miss games though LeBron still playing

Agree, yeah super impressive That's where people will argue about the physical wear and tear because of that But the greats of both errors could play like Larry Bird today. You can't know like he would be awesome Reggie Miller Reggie Miller would actually probably score 35 points a game because you can't hand check. Yeah going back to The shooters of the past. Yes, and like abusing the new three-point things. Mark Price. Yeah Michael Redd. Mark Price would have. Michael Redd. 50 points a game. Larry though. Larry Bird would have, lefty and righty would have been able to put up 25 a night. LeBron also never had anyone to run the pickin I mean like Jordan had Bill Wennington running the pickin pop like LeBron

never had a guy like that you know I watched the last dance Bill Cartwright yeah Bill Wennington who's LeBron's Tony Koo coach you know yeah yeah he's Scottie Pippen heaven forbid he has Luke Longley just one time yeah I I didn't grow up watching Michael Jordan. I wasn't in the basketball world. I'd watch the Lake show late at night. But the only thing I saw was Jordan highlights all the time. So I'm like, damn, this guy is unbelievable.

The highlights are unbelievable. Unbelievable. Then I watched that last dance, and it's like, OK, this is not the same basketball that they're playing nowadays. Every sport evolves. every sport gets better But I'll tell you what if LeBron James saw somebody dribbling like this He's he's picking that pocket and he's taking off, you know, Jordan Duncan from the foul line That was a big deal big deal big deal now LeBron six foot eight to do that would have done that on

Everybody the entire time not saying Jordan wouldn't dominate nowadays. I Jordan would dominate anything he tried to do I think golf I guess he's I guess he's good at golf But he's not like dominant. He's stuck at baseball Okay in baseball, I guess you could do but if he was to play modern basketball, I think he would dominate I think I believe that Mike would you could say that about any era in any sport, right? Like you guess you only play who you can play and you only know what you know in terms of whatever like they weren't lifting weights and running and doing all that stuff in 1960, but Joe Namath was still damn good quarterback if Joe Namath was today you take that talent you put it with all the stuff He can probably compete and be pretty damn good to hear. He said probably there. I'm not

Probable with Michael Jordan. I think Michael Jordan would have been great in this area Yeah, just like I think LeBron would have been great back then for sure. Okay, so you agree. Yeah, we met in the middle We met two different sports. We did it. Congratulations. Thank you I'm gonna build you back up my buddy Evan texted me and said is a Cuban on a powerlifting regiment Let's go Jack. So He does lift those arms. I'm back up. Lift those arms.

No, I just run hot sweat. You're a lot of sweat. That means you're efficient. It is Walter Hagan. I think you got the good golfer today. Holy golf is one of the sports. I think just kind of translates cause you're playing against a different thing about baseball back in the day you're pitching against guys that never get taken out and they're you know pitching

complete games all the time I think that's a little bit different. Well what they throw they throw like 85 back then right? Some guys but some guys were modern Marvels and we're throwing like 110. No one Ryan. What? And we're throwing like okay I'm dead serious like up Maybe the radar guns were a little fucked up. No look at the bit try to find clips of the big train Walter Johnson He was like six nine He threw like 110 miles an hour and pitched every day every inning I think I died because his arm footage Walter Johnson was a

this fucking Cause of death. Arm fell off. Bob Feller. It's possible. Bob Feller. He threw too much gas. That's why he got it. That's why his arm just fucking fell off.

Holtz Keans better watch it. Bob Feller, you think you get a nickname like the fucking heater from Van Meter if you're not throwing absolute gas? Yeah, but we're talking about gas for the time. We're not talking about gas like that. No, I mean, by and large, yeah, guys were throwing fucking 85 miles an hour right down the middle, but a couple guys were. When the Bambino was swinging the stick,

what were they pitching? Well, he played in the Walter Johnson era, so he saw the big train. They're probably throwing those junk balls too though. They're loading up the ball with snot and everything, making it move nine feet. For sure, but no, I mean, guys today are a thousand times better than they were back then.

With two different sports. Yeah. Hockey goalies. Did he wear a pad? The old Gretzky highlights. There's some Gretzky highlights out there where he's just dancing around the entire squad solo. Well, he had that goon with him too.

So everybody was scared to get it within six feet of Wayno, which is how every team should treat their superstar. But yeah, sports evolve, they're different. That's why comparing a different era to a different era is just like a very hard thing to do, I think. But that's my thing is like, everybody else played in that era too. So it's like, because I,

Pete and Wayne, the argument, people are like, well, look, he was just dancing around, well, nobody else fucking danced around everybody the way he did. How come nobody else scored a thousand goals and a thousand assists? Like how could he was so much more dominant than everybody else because he was the best that kind of goes to a Q's argument. Whereas if you put Joe Montana in today's world and he has the everything modern, he's going to do it to that level. Just like he did.

Nobody else in his era was going to do it to that level. Joe Montana, Joe Namath, both Western Pennsylvania guys, they would have fit in in any era. Marino. Danny Marino, of course. Western, yeah. I mean, just name it Pittsburgh. Yeah, bingo, yeah.

That's it. That's why Will Howard, how do you feel about Will Howard? I love Will Howard. Me too. How come it's not being talked about? I don't know. He's 6'5", he's 240, he 240 can sling it he can run it yeah he won a national championship it's the face it's the face it's got to be the

face no one's beard no one wants to look at that guy I don't think he can grow a beard I don't think he can grow beer maybe help him out for the combine what are you saying you're saying like Ryan day you're saying why are you saying painting beards what are you bringing I mean like Carlos boozer back in the day okay not Ryan well easy the booze did not paint his beard on it just looked good. He painted his hair. Well yeah. Hey Jay you ever have a beard? No I can't really grow very much facial hair at all actually. How about you Jay did you ever have clean face? Yeah yeah I used to have clean face for a long time back when my face was actually rounder than it is, so it was probably a mistake.

But no, I was, A-G, you should not have a beard. I mean, you can't cover up that chiseled rock right there. I wish, I mean, that'd be nice, but yeah, I don't, it's never been a thing I've been able to do. Yeah, I always try to keep a little bit of stuff on it to cover up all the face, you know what I mean? But I'm more clean faced now than I've ever been

Really? What's the longest your beard's ever been? I tried to grow it that one time. It's bad. I got bad I got to keep it tight. I can't go too long. I started looking like a I'm not gonna say It looks bad looks bad What could it be? I'm not gonna get into it. Now's not time. Hey, did you hear about the moon landing? 1969? Holy fuck. Jade, did you hear about it?

No, dude, someone kill me in here because I saw there was discourse about this, but I have not been able to see it. Dude. What was the argument? My level. We watched it for the first time yesterday you know because last year's Super Bowl was the most watched television thing since the moon landing. Moon landing had 650 million people watching it live. Okay this is like guy throwing 110 back whenever they didn't have radar. 650 million people watch

that thing live. We actually watched it yesterday live, the moon landing, including the call from President Nixon up to Neil and Buzz up there on the moon. And it turned into a day that Connor will never forget. Connor had a change of mind, I think, on a lot of things. He was the only one, though. He was the only one. Now, with that being said,

it's a good lead-in to a ratings conversation from Ty Schmidt, Jage. Yeah, Jage, with everything we've talked about, people sick and tired of the Chiefs, don't wanna see another Chiefs Eagle Super Bowl since we just saw one recently, the ref discussion, all that mumbo jumbo. Do you think this year's Super Bowl ratings are gonna be higher or lower than last year?

We've kinda been going back and forth on this. Well last year was on CBS. So I'm a company man. I will say that I'm going to just guess just a touch lower just because that's my company. But I also, people are watching man. It's the Super Bowls. A lot of people said they're not going to watch. I saw at least a hundred tweets.

I saw at least 100 tweets. They're lying. I saw at least 100 tweets. Mm-hmm. Seven of the last 10 Super Bowls have been won by Brady or Mahomes. Fourteen of the last 23 Super Bowls have been won by Brady, Mahomes, or a Manning brother. Like the same people are winning it every year. So you're complaining about something that's been happening for 20 plus years. It's the same people winning the Super Bowl, the same people in the Super Bowl, even if they're not winning it.

You've been watching the whole time, the ratings have continued to go up every single time, and you continue to shit on everybody else who doesn't win Super Bowls. Hey, hand up, man up, me also. But you're in the era of these guys where 70% of the last 10 Super Bowls had been won by two people.

So every other, like, it is what it is, man. It's hard to do. These two have figured it out at an unbelievably high level. They continue to do it, appreciate it, watch it for what it is, see if the Eagles can knock them off. It should be a great game, but let's not act like you're not tuning in because of this

or because of that. Like you're watching the Super Bowl, man. What else are you going to do on that Sunday? What are you doing for the Super Bowl? You having a big Super Bowl, man. What else are you going to do on that Sunday? What are you doing for the Super Bowl? You having a big Super Bowl party, a shindig, if you will, at the J.J. Watt house? No. I will be watching it.

That's it. Yeah, I don't know how people watch in big groups. We tried it one time, I think. We did like a Super Bowl watch thing, a couple of them. And I think we enjoy it because we're around each other a lot. But the people that do the big parties, I don't know. Yeah, and then even these last couple years just watched it like on our own. It's been like man It's pretty nice. It's really nice different when you cover it

Every day today like if you're just going to like a Super Bowl party and you work in like an office setting like you get Fucked up and you're just like shooting the shit with people and like you're watching the game unless you have like an actual rooting Interest but like it's just it's another big event another excuse to get incredibly boozed up Okay, so they is just viewed as an opportunity. Yes, it's a huge party got it Yeah, but then you got that guy asking like oh, how are the kids like I was school and they're like dude It's third and seven right now. Like what fuck dude. Just do me alone. God I don't care about the case. Oh dip at this exact moment, but he's like alone. No, I don't need no cheese second and fire. Some guys just fucking you know Exactly, yeah, sorry. Sorry buddy. Like I don't need you in my life this moment right now

It is hard to watch football in public though I think you know, I'd assume much harder for you, too, and you, D-Butt, and you, AQ. But I think it was the year I retired, I did like a watch party thing in one of these places, like a Sunday watch party. And I don't want to say people are stupid, but the things that people ask about when watching a game,

it's like, wow, I don't have an answer for that I don't I don't I don't even know what the way people take in games I think is vastly different than how some other people think. I don't know, it just blitz every time. Yeah exactly. It's like there's those things I don't want to just run that play every time it's like okay all right and then the people that question everything everybody does it's like they've only watched like 30 hours of film this week for this particular You know like I I think it is a little tough

I think it is sometimes a little difficult to kind of handle that but as long as you love ball who cares? I guess yeah I mean i'm guessing if you played in the league or like actually played in a super bowl or whatever like You shouldn't be going to a super bowl party with just some joe schmoe who's gonna ask you a thousand questions Like that is a that's an average American who, cause you got 50% of the people there are just there for the commercials. Oh, commercials this year.

Excited for the commercials this year. Jage, are you in any of them? No, I am not. I am excited for them as well. I look forward to seeing them. Jage is not in them. Well, you're in all the commercials this year. What do you mean you're not in them?

It's a surprise. He's raving. I don't believe't believe it's not an NDA probably no similar to my career thank you just laughed I'm trying to build them back up apparently I shit on him earlier which I wasn't you were Don't even acknowledge it it'll just keep going I got have you seen I'm sure you have but the guy on Twitter X whatever it is who every post I post I'm sure you have but the guy on Twitter X whatever it is who? Every post I post I'm sure he does it to yours as well tells me how many wipes he does every time No, guys cracking me up right now. I've not seen that is that anything I post anything I post

He posts like a number of wipes. He was like I did 10 I did 10 wipes after this and I'll post like I'll post like I was in Kansas City for the game He's like yeah after the Kansas City game. I had 115 wipes like Cracking me up. Okay, so I want you guys know the yesterday I believe I was going through it a little bit out of the basement. I had a six wiper and I thought to myself Holy shit, this is a lot of wipes. And then I immediately remembered that is nothing in comparison to what you do in there, and you do in there, and hammer,

don, don, tone does in there. At six I was almost exhausted. I'm like, can my butt cheeks take anymore? I don't know. And then I remembered, these dudes are doing a hundred wipes for one shit. I don't even know how that works. How do your pipes not blow up?

Hey Q, are you here for this conversation? Yeah, it's every Wednesday. How many pipes, how many wipes have you done? I mean max. Max. Oh, that's some situations, but I'd say... Yes, that's what we're talking about. We're talking about those situations. Okay, so situation might be like, probably like a six to eight, but then like you might get like Probably like a six to eight But then like you might get like a little like itchy butt syndrome and you might have to go back for like two or three More, you know, so it would have been a ten wiper you think ten wiper that sounds like a lot doesn't it? It does it's nothing compared to what these guys. I heard fifty jay knows AJ AJ It's jay jay said a hundred. I think one time didn't he have a drop to tell her Yeah, I mean, yeah like there are those times like you sure you could stop early and then have to go back later

Yeah, but like early what 25. It's just a mess man. All right, we're getting out of here. I can't do it Are you gonna be down in New Orleans next week? No, are you? Yeah, I thought you were gonna be there No We're gonna be coming up to the dome really I actually am I Don't believe it Do you but I found out you're not back. This is your last Wednesday show until like three weeks from now Well, that hurt my plans, but when we come back

I'm coming. Well, really I don't know if I'm invited. I might locked out for here also that week Oh, yeah, cuz we'll be yeah, it doesn't need to be that figure back in general, right? Yeah, we'll be back in general But I think we're gonna be potentially this might be a news breaker We're gonna be at the combine into belief live from the combineine downtown Indianapolis, Indiana looking at the future of the NFL We'll have these eyes on I don't think we're allowed to have camera on it though No It's become a big conversation behind the scenes on where we're allowed to be What the background is allowed to be how long we're allowed to even look at them with our eyes verse what everybody else is

It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. Yeah. Yeah, I guess there's rights and stuff for what you're losing. Oh, I see. You know? And we're like, just fucking put us right there on the top. It'll be great. Have the thing right behind us.

Well, will you show the thing? Definitely. What are we there for? Yeah. You can't. Okay. What? Tell me that before you ask me that.

So why are we going? So why should we do it from the building? Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot of that. You know, a? So why should we do it from the building? Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot of that. You know, a lot of that. Dude, do it from the train station, man. Just set that shit up in the train station. Get the real stories.

Yeah, you're right. We should do that. We will get the real stories done here. I wonder how many wipes they do at the train station. They don't wipe. Yeah, what? At the train station? Oh, with the amount of drinks and food that's going down at that thing that train station is seeing some wipes

That's right. Long poops. They don't wipe they eat Yeah, let's get to a break change. Thank you, man. Thank you. It was really good really good hit out of you today You're coming to the Thunderdome always that's awesome news. I am I looked it up I found out where it is. I am coming. I found that I'm thankfully Connor told me there's an airport a lot closer than the airport I was looking at So whenever you're back in the Thunderdome You let me know I'm showing up. We'll see you in April See if you still want to do it. Yeah, it's one of those things. Have fun in NOLA get some beignets. Oh, yeah, maybe a little This is one of those things where you... Have fun in NOLA.

Get some beignets. Oh yeah! Maybe a little uh, King's cake I believe is what it's called. Some crepes? Maybe some crepes. Some really thin pancakes. Yeah. What else they got?

Crowd dads. Oh yeah. Gumbo boys. Got some po' boys. Yeah. Love gumbo. Po' boy. Fried alligator.

I will eat some fried alligator. I'm not scared to eat a little alligator. Uh oh. D-Bot, you gonna eat a little alligator? I'll eat a log Super greasy fatty chicken What are you gonna eat down there you have log in everything I love New Orleans gumbo pop Very good. Yeah Before I go you gotta stop swinging your feet like that man

Ladies gentlemen, JJ why thank you James How you guys used to walk together he must be mad whenever I pancaked him when he played in Houston. Oh, no, no, no. He's gonna call back. I definitely called it back. He can call back, because I got the video right here on my phone. Yeah. It's in the favorites. Everyone want to watch it? It's in the favorites on the video.

Bring me back. Bring me back. Bring me back. Anyone want to watch it? You got the video in your favorites on your phone. That's all you need to know, buddy. Oh! This has been just for this moment. You got the video in your favorites on your phone. That's all you need to know, buddy. No! This has been just for this moment.

It has been way too long. Little stories to find. Little stories to find. Just for this moment. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who was once pancaked by AQ Shipley, Terrence A1. Yeah. That was amazing.

Take a break. Yes. AQ, if this one goes in, you can pancake it today. That was amazing. There's a break. Yes. Thank you. This one goes in. You can paint. Perfect. Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh reason Connor did a few hours of research after show yesterday got into a couple rabbit holes Yeah, we go brother change your opinion. I'll comment. Where are you? Nobody did change his name to Connor Jing Ping. That's

True I did not oh boy. They never went to the moon man. It's fucked up Happy Chinese New Year to you Connor. Thank you. You're the dragon Interesting snake Bruce's same see look, I don't know what that's that was throw us off Yeah, no wasn't a couple graphics and I was cool. Great Ty you think about having a conversation with Connor about everything he learned you I did but I usually don't Want to engage Chinese sympathizers too much so I tend to just stay away. That's his truth, he can stick with it. I ain't a CCP sympathizer.

Were you guys playing that little video game console yesterday? The Swedish gaming device? Oh yeah. Yeah. Why don't you show it? You can show it on air sometime. It's on your feed right now if you open up any social media feed. You'll see. I don't know how they're able to market that. I don't know how they're just shoving it in

everybody's face. Hey we've stolen everything from everybody that's ever created anything and it's right here on one device for $75.99. That's right. The Swedes huh? Worth it. Yeah. They're smart. They are. The Swedes? The Swedes. Yeah. On the other side we got in The Trenches and Everything D.B. Good D. Bad D. And maybe a little conflict of a play call in play design. Hey, Kusch, what happened out there? Which age do you think?

Must still be mad about 2012. I don't know. What's wrong? 2012. I don't know. Got it right here. Got it right here to watch. Oh.

Who wants to see it? You know when you cut to AQ early on when I don't know. I got it right here. I got it right here to watch. Oh. Who wants to see it? You know when you cut to AQ early on when they end the whole scrim, he said, okay. Just real quiet. Bro. He was so mad. His pitches. There was something like that that happened, I don't know, maybe 15 weeks ago.

I went home, I was like, I'm fucking fine. And then every goddamn clip I played against this guy for one goddamn moment. That's amazing. His pit stains got from his armpit down to his hand. I was watching him bro. He's getting actually heated. He's amazing. That's AJ Hawk.

The Talks At Table is here at Boston Con Boston corner and that tie Schmidt let the ponies run Yeah, man, and our pony did all the way back to Baltimore Chuck Bugano. Oh, is that the white horse there in the front? Yeah, yeah, I guess so that kind of just came to me when he said let the ponies run Yeah, we're gonna miss Chuck around here. Are we not well, you know What one less we have to worry about it? What do you what do we worry about? You know, no, I don't know Those Italian tricks. Oh my god

Exactly one last day of him trying to fatten this up I will say I thought about that as I was reading the news yesterday as it was made official that he was going back To Baltimore. I was like, what are we do without it has like drums on a microphone what are we gonna do without the thousand donuts that are brought through this Thunderdome office every fall from Chuck Pagano what are we gonna do without all the meetings that happen outside of the Thunderdome what are we gonna do without everything that Chuck Pagano brings to Thunderdome I don't Ty. I legitimately don't know what we're gonna do without him I mean neither cuz some days, you know, I'll come in didn't have a great night's sleep and I pop that open

So that's the donut I asked for I asked Chuck to make sure that and you know What's the first thing he gonna do if he pops open that box of donuts and it's not a particularly good batch He said, okay, let me know who's Ash. Do I need to get on? Yeah, he'll call He will he He will. He'll call up there and say hey this isn't right. We've actually had to craft this donut box to become what it has become. I feel like we finally got it right actually. Over years. Years of years of crafting these donut boxes. We got a couple apple fritters. Yep. We got a couple frosties. We got a couple glazies. We got a couple stick sees why we got another box of these ease

Why I mean it's really come together pretty nicely and I feel like in the last five weeks is really the time It's been correct more so than ever never again Although on the plus side we aren't gonna have that you know screeching brain aneurysm noise when he leaves his hearing aids over there Oh, yeah, cuz he's deaf. Yeah We're gonna miss right we are gonna miss it bad times Connor Yeah Nine-year NFL vet Derek state Butler sure we're gonna miss him. So guys, of course you go missing

He went out on a great note though hit the shot. Oh, yeah Below 500 record is that going out was a high note. Was that below 500 record? Is that going out on a high note? I don't know. That's what you guys told me. It's behind the sheet. Only good as your last shot. The books were cooking that guy, okay?

He had some ideas. They waffled a few different times. We all know what happens when he waffles. That's why Miss Tina's staying. Boyzie, he'll be out there in Baltimore. That's right. Jimmy's Famous Seafood said he'll give him free crab cakes whenever he's out there. If it's for free, I'll take three. That's what Chuck won. That's right. Jimmy's famous seafood said he'll give him free crab cakes whenever he's out there.

If it's for free, I'll take three. That's what Chuck will understand. Love that line. I've never heard that line before. I'll certainly take that as my own going forward. 12 year NFL Super Bowl champion, a guy who got dunked on by JJ Watt today numerous times.

Thank you, Chuck. Huge. Yeah. I think you got the last laugh. I did see that video from 2012. You dumped him on his back. Thanks, dude. I appreciate it. I did see that video from 2012. You dumped him on his back. Thanks, dude. I appreciate it.

I'm pretty proud of you. Thank you. The Trenches, obviously a place we like to visit every single week with you. Chit chatting about offensive line play and who's good, who's crap, who's great, who's not, who's gonna win because they're big boys, they're fatsoes, are able to move other bodies.

Well, let's do one last one here for the championship weekend. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to go in the trenches with A.Q. Shipley. Happy New Year. And then there was two. We are down to the final two teams. What, my readers on?

One team who has been among the absolute best all year and then this team. And then this team. And then this team. You have not believed in the Kansas City Chiefs offensive line at all. No, but I will say this was the best this line has looked all year long and they save it for a very important moment against a very good football team. And here's why I want to showcase this.

We got three plays in this little sequence, right? And so whenever you look at this, see the two tight ends lined up in the backfield? We got Kelsey and Noah Gray. They came out with this. They have not shown this all year. They line up with two tight ends in the backfield and then Pacheco behind in the dot. They come out like this. They motion one over.

It comes like a diamond formation. First play, they send them both weak. You get a little plus five run. No big deal. Cool. We're just setting it up. Now let's go a couple plays later. Do the exact same thing.

Line up with two in the backfield. Send him over. Get the diamond formation. Now we're going to send them opposite, still downhill. We get the guard and tackle pull. And guess what? Creamhunt in the end zone. Look like a stud. Get him in the end zone. Right? Now we go to the fourth quarter. Make it break of time. What do they think? Okay, we've shown it two ways. We've shown zone. We've shown counter. We're gonna do the exact same thing We're gonna pull the garden to tackle make it look like counter. Nope. Keep it Now the tight ends are your lead blockers my homes touchdown So that was all a setup all of it all of it and that's the difference between calling a game and calling place That's exactly right. You set it up and like that first play might go for four. Cool. That's alright

We're just showing it now. They're gonna play now. The guys are gonna go back with the tight ends. Okay, cool. Next time we're gonna run the counter. Now they're gonna fly over the top thinking it's Mahomes or the tight ends go back this way and oh nobody comes over here. Then the next time everybody goes with the counter and then Mahomes out the other side. AJ, what's the conversation whenever they line up like that? Check, check, check. You guys are acting as if you haven't figured out. You think that's what the Buffalo Bills defense did? Well, they're trying to. I would assume after the first time they showed that

they go on the sideline they're saying hey what they do this again this is our adjustment this is where you line up this where we make the close call whatever all of that stuff so they're the fact that hit him with it three times in three different three different plays and how they ran everything yeah that that could cause some confusion look at the Buffalo Bills look at everybody like everybody trying to get on the same page here. Yeah Milanoano over to the left, that's where it was last time. Nope, gone, we're taking it the opposite direction. On the sideline they're saying, how are we playing this? They can run it left or they can run it right.

We're going to play balanced now, we're going to play balanced now. They could go either way here. We got to figure it out. And then Patrick Mahome says, I'm going out the back door. Yep, see ya. Travis Kelsey lead blocking, what a beautiful play. Yeah, Milano's the only backer there too. Yeah, so they got a safety down, they got a nickel down right, and then basically Milano right there the first time flies with the tight ends, then next time he sees the counter and he's just stuck in that little hesitation enough for Mahomes. How do you stop it D-Bud?

Yeah, I don't know. You shoot him in the head. Penetration. Penetration kills everything. I guess shooting him in the head would work It's gonna be hard to get a gun out there Can we go back to that can we go back to the first play of the zone? Just the one that went for five So if you watch this so let it run let it run let it run and then you'll see Kelsey as both these Tight ends go back right so watch this so there and then Kelsey fakes like there

And then he goes out now watch that see that That's what's next off of this you watch all the throw. There's gonna be a little throw off of this Oh, yeah, that's exactly how Philly. I don't know it's gonna happen something There's gonna be something else off of that Completely different. Yep, you know I mean speaking of Philly Philadelphia. We got the bunch right you see AJ Brown right there at the point He's got the toughest block. We got to seal the edge, but guess what let's watch him a lot First play the game boys first play the game Washington has a nice drive couple fourth down conversions They get points on the road in a playoff game. Nope my lot of throws his ass down

Say Quan in space nobody can tackle him see you later first play of the game My oddest mic'd up for this. Go son! Go son! Start laughing. Great clip. Yeah, he starts laughing and he's running down there. Saquon's special, but this offensive line sets it all up. I forget what the yardage was before contact, but he would be the top three rusher in the

NFL before contact, let alone everything else. Can we go back to the top of this particular play, Foxy? The important part is they're all on a string aren't they a kush absolutely absolutely You get the down block and then God look see that right there. That's huge right there Smith going in motion because it takes the DB out of there right and then it's easy got it out in front Everybody else does what they do and they all just go and nobody can tackle in secondary for Washington. What's that D? But I'm just this stuff stuff because you got two DB's shit Probably three DB's had a chance to get him down, but you can't arm tackle him like you...

Watch Wagner, too. Wagner gets caught in the down block here. Watch this. He almost tore his damn knee up. Boom, right here, and then he just gets caught right there, and then he can't get over the top. He's the guy that should make that play. Almost hyperextended to be there. He might have. That's not good. Make it a mush, and then Shaquan Barkley takes it to the crib. And then the last play for the day. Let's take a look. Obviously Lane Johnson, the whole

right side Lane Johnson, Bechtin, and the center are all going to back block. They all got to down block, keep their guys sealed. We're pulling the backside as we pull. Boom, we get the guard kicker. Watch my lot on Wagner. Boom. Take him 10 yards. Keep going, keep going. Throw his ass on the ground It was a game of six there seven. That's all right. We're just making our presence known by putting people on the ground My odd is the real deal huh? He's awesome I mean he's absolutely awesome their whole offensive line is awesome But what my lot has been able to do coming over being kind of a project and turning into an all-pro tackle

Absolute dog he was what, a rugby player? Yeah. Good feet. Here's a clip of the first play of the game here of Maillard enjoying the hell out of Saquon. Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Go, Sam! Go, Sam! Ha ha ha!

Yes, sir! Yes, sir! Oh! Let's celebrate. Let's celebrate. Let's celebrate. Oh, yeah, let's celebrate, let's celebrate. It's too far away, we're going to kick the extra point. All right, I'll stay out here. That's a fun group, man. Awesome.

That's a very fun group. Hey, that's great. In trenches, AQ. Let's go, everything DB, good D, bad D. Let's go, let's go, let's get to it. Just like AQ, it's only two teams on here, the final two. This is the Blitz we've been talking about fourth in five spags got the corner blitz up top just the execution Corner blitz you see and then up top Carl office also bring getting out to that edge

Forcing Josh Allen to pull up so he's not able to extend his play and break that pocket and avoid the blitz Pull up and then obviously make this throw and Ken K drops the damn ball but you cannot run it back to the beginning so we talked about this obviously at nauseam at this point but when you come out with this condensed split this cut split you make it easy for the defense to not only disguise but to execute this blitz you got Reed coming up the middle you got McDuffie coming off the edge and ends up in the big gap with Reid. I know a cube Protection standpoint is there any way you guys can pick this up if they saw this pre snap So the it's it's such a pipe dream to say but if we just take a look down here at the bottom right stop right there

Three DBs, right? You got the two DBs up close and then you got the safety behind There's three and how many receivers do we have for four three over four that tells you somebody else tells you somebody else has to drop into coverage, right? So you think it's either going to be Bolton or you think it's going to drop this D-end, which also tells you, AJ, right, it's going to be some form of a zone pressure, right? And so if that's the case, a quarterback can sit there and make a rip call, but you don't know if it's going to be the D-end. You also don't know with Bolton having a piece of the center, piece of the center meaning right here on his shoulder, that you don't know which one of those two are going to be the dropper. So it's tough for a quarterback pre-snap to make a rip call. If you make a

rip call, now you full slide right. But even if you do make the rip call, every single one of them from left guard over has to fight through one to get to another. So to sit here and be like, there's a lot of talking heads out there saying, yeah, we just got to fix protection. Well, in order to fix protection, it sounds like a pipe dream to me because you got to push through people, which is hard because if they even come anywhere up the field at all, you can't get through that guy to get to the next one. Well, then you got Chris Jones down here on an island, not that Deon Dawkins isn't ready for it, but that's a whole different animal by itself. Bingo. That's exactly right. What a play great call by spec great call row

Yeah, I mean like that's nuts for him to even get that that throw off and have and kink a have a shot at catching it That was incredible by Josh, but great job great execution by the defense in The corner can only come if it's gonna be a split safety looks go moving on to the next play Speaking of this defense Philip Philadelphia Eagles We always talk about next man up and Kobe Dean went down a couple weeks ago tore his knee up He'll be out for the rest of the playoffs Orrin Burks has stepped up and done a tremendous job They did a good job against Jayton last week in the NFC championship game Watch Nolan Smith off the edge with the bootleg pulls the quarterback up once again Orrin Burks pulls his trigger gets him down on

The ground if you run it back to the beginning one more time With the bootleg pulls the quarterback up once again or in Burks pulls his trigger gets him down in the ground If you run it back to the beginning one more time down here the bottom of the screen big play slay They wanted to don't move down here big play slay is all over this if you watch the bottom of the screen I think it's the army brown running this come back and go all over it He's not there D line does their job linebacker pulls his trigger gets the quarterback on the ground So every level of this defense, they're clicking on all cylinders. Ten takeaways right now, no giveaways on offense. That's a recipe for success. And that's how you put up 55 points to beat the absolute dog shit

out of the commanders. That wasn't a takeaway there, but this next play here. The exciting white along with Zach Bond. You see where Zach Bond is at pre-snap. Now you run this play, De'Ami Brown's coming over in motion He's gonna get this pass boom quick screen pass Just watch the pursuit from this whole defense and then the punch out from 53 and 33 I don't know who's gonna get crazy I don't know who's gonna get credited if it's gonna be Zack or Cooper because coop is kind of pulling at it, too And I've been in these positions sure AJ price been in these some of these

Side-line conversations with hey, I was punching it. Hey, I was pulling it who's gonna get the credit for it The violence of the punch I think Zach Bonner probably get the credit but Cooper disease was also punching and gnawing at it as well So let's talk about that. Is that would that be a half? No, they don't give half cause fumbles No, so you got half sacks obviously half sacks in which you've heard and you've seen people argue about though Oh, yeah, are you about those wanting to fool or wanting to have but cooper jane saying you you didn't even touch the ball My hand is the only one to touch the ball. You can see his hands the one that kind of scoops it out Yeah, I think that's one exciting whites, zero bond. I thought I said sure.

Coop's a team guy, so he don't give a shit, but I do. Coop the gene, force that fumble. And I just want that to be known. Where there you at? On the record. On the record. Who was it given to, do we know? I don't know.

We should look that up. I'm assuming bond. Everybody's been saying bond though. They said it on the broadcast. He doesn't even touch the ball though. Don't even touch it. No, I would like to, I wish it was a halfer. I wish I could give a halfer. And it was great. They should set that up maybe a little bit more. Bond got the credit? Yeah, Bond got the credit. How do you feel about it Ty? Again, you know, Coop don't give a shit. And guess what? Super Bowl Sunday is his 22nd birthday.

So, I mean, he's got a special play in his holster still. So he won't worry about it. He's just gonna go out and do the dirty work, do things that no one's asking him to do. But I mean, when he started playing this Eagles defense kind of went to a new level. So, you know. Happy birthday to he and Saquon Barkley celebrating a birthday on February 9th.

Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Super Bowl birthdays, two of them on the same team team you would assume that would bode well for them Do we have some bad D bad D? And uh, this is kind of along the same theme that aq was on with uh sequences of some of these plays the third down In the second half, you'll see hollywood brown watch kyle elam down here So we always talk about getting on different levels when you pause it here and man to man coverage The reason you get on different levels, especially against bunch here and man-to-man coverage the reason you get on different levels

Especially against bunches and stacks is because you want to avoid the picks and Elam does a terrible job here avoiding the pick Allowing Hollywood Brown to get free on this third and four you saw the trip So you saw perine kind of leak out from the backfield there on this play as well But now once you get the pick you get a free run in so right here pause it final formation You got prying the back so it's a four by one. You got the back offset to there as well You got the pick route crossers with the back coming to the flat You run it third and four you get Hollywood Brown free here Boom big third down conversion to go put some points on the board now you fast forward to the end of the game

the third nine Boom you get a shift so you come out in one formation is four by one to the boundary now they shift to the field Very similar concept now you got a bunch of these crossers become picks You bring pariah from the opposite side of the field and he gets the biggest first down of the game to pretty much seal This one so everything Andy Reid Patrick Mahomes this offense is doing it seems like they're kind of setting you up From when it matters most in the fourth quarter to kind of put the games away. So once again great execution Great play calls Bernard's right here. He's trying to cover the back. You're never gonna get through all that traffic They're playing chess not check always doesn't matter that he starts to the right of my homes, leaking to the left flat.

That makes it a little tougher, but where Bernard was alignment wise, I feel like he was in a pretty good spot alignment wise, but it's just that traffic. Like you bring in three guys in and their job is really, they're not even really trying to get open. Like they're just trying to run in his pathway without actually hitting them So they don't get called for the OPI and then I just got to get out there. Yeah, but sorry Sorry, but when I watch like him a lot of two-on-one on that back I guess the only thing I guess he could have done is they would have like in and out and both of them have outside Leverage and if he like went and got up on the line of scrimmage like off to the right

I've done that in the past if you're Be to the flat like that, like say four three goes up there on the edge on the right. And he's like, hey, if he comes back across the ball, like I got him here, obviously you protect me Milano. If he breaks back inside, you got him then. Yeah. You said, so pre snap. Pre snap. I'm talking pre snap.

Yeah. 43 was just to go all the way outside of that defensive end basically. Yeah. You're basically playing the play, which you can't really do. But if you have help inside, I guess you could have. And like I said, this is just watching this over you in real time. That's almost impossible to do. But if they showed that before and they had worked on it, something you could possibly do.

You're saying that he should have won all the way outside as if he was- Just completely remove, take the pick out of it. Like, hey, if he comes across, if that bat comes across the ball, I'm up here in the last scrimmage I'm basically grabbing him as soon as he clears the tackle box and P-rhyne being the guy does that change anything for them AJ because he's obviously not like a star player for the Kansas Chiefs. I mean, I don't know maybe it may get your antenna up a little bit. Hey something weird might be coming here Yeah, so like whenever the Colts did this with our third string running back,

game on the line, season on the line, everybody said, what a dipshit, why would you do that? But that was actually part of it, was like, yeah, nobody thinks you're going to the fourth string running back there, he's actually wide open, he's in the NFL, he should be able to catch the ball. Was kind of thought, P Ryan, nobody thought P Ryan was getting the ball right there. In in my eyes. I mean their offense

Obviously got Travis Kelsey and you know, where these the first round pick this year But you never know who's gonna be that guy that crazy be D hop it could be juju No, it'd be great. He like why it's like you don't know and Perron he was he was in on the third for earlier, too So maybe he's their third down back, but you never know who that guy's gonna be. It's not like they're just centered around one guy in their passing game, so it's difficult. You gotta be on point. Biggest play of the season.

Who's gonna get it? Samaji Piran, obviously. Of course. We knew that for the Can't See Akechus. Hey, great everything, DB. All right, before we get out of here, Akechus, you know, you've had a day today Tough one great day. I thought it was great. I thought you've had a great day. There's been some moments great days can be tough

Yeah But I didn't think it was tough. Yeah, I thought you had a good day today I thought before the show great energy over there. Thank you. Thank you. I think Jade's sent a couple Thank you. Thank you. I think Jade sent a couple At you and you handled it pretty well. I think you even pulled up a favorites video you thought about it We want to do a little trip down Nostalgia Lane. Yeah now all you got to do is just win 30 people 500 bucks You go Kish What are you gonna do you gonna throw a football? Yeah, hey listen, it's the last one of the season here in Kish Why don't you go ahead and do this for the people? Need it. On this winter Wednesday

AJ Hawk has a message of hope for you. AQ you know you guys took Jim Knowles away from the high state Buckeyes. Hopefully he can help you guys reach your dreams next year. He grew up in Philly. He said not the suburbs of Philly either. North Philly right in subway downtown. So he said waking up in the morning on Sundays it was always Penn State football. It's great to be back. You guys are willing to pay whatever to get whoever, huh? Is that what's going on up there in Penn State? Hey, we're all in we are all in and we are going we are go I can't wait to see who they get in the spring spring transfer portal. Is that still a thing? Yes, it is

There's a week open in April. Yeah, we're gonna get three more guys. I can't wait. We are in I thought he was going to Oklahoma if he was gonna leave Ohio State instead He ends up at Penn State you guys are just willing to do whatever I mean threw the money at him and sounds like he wasn't appreciated very much at Ohio State sounds that all about it I don't know. I mean, I guess not to the tune of three point some million a year, I guess Well, I mean money is certainly a way to I guess so well. I mean money is certainly a way to Showcase how much you care about somebody and they said it was well below three million is what Ohio State's offer was

You can stay with the national champs, but it's gonna be 1.5 1.5. How about it? They say he wasn't incorporating enough of Bobby Carpenter's stuff on the D There's a chance general Bob Carpenter wasn't happy with everything was taking place won a national championship though with Ohio I hope by guns can be by guns and they can celebrate that thing together. You guys actually gonna make a run at this or what? Yeah, yeah, we're in this year. We're all in yeah We were there should offer say screwed it up a million who saving offering 30 million a year. I don't hate that We bring everybody everybody there's a chance the money There's a chance Pat Graff would do that too that he's type of guy that would potentially happen upon Saban and just

go what what is the number 30 40 50 million sounds like Saban was no part of this college landscape anymore though right he's I mean he's certainly a massive piece of it with game day and everything he's doing behind the scenes I'm sure trying to shape I'm saying coaching I think he's trying to shape it so that like teams can't just offer millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars to everybody to kind of change their roster and I think he's trying to shape it so that like teams can't just offer millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars to everybody To kind of change their roster and I think he's talking directly about the Penn State in any line Yeah, I mean there were some other people doing that this year

Penn State though right back in the game whenever you're able to utilize what the alumni has I mean if everybody if everybody's doing it you got you got to go. Yeah, we'll see we got to go They're doing it better than everybody up there in Penn State. I tried to mention on game day I've told you're the one that basically was giving me this information Then when I started doing my own research and chit chat with the people it's like Yeah, yeah Penn State might be the most active in this entire day. Everybody's talking Ohio State, Oregon, Texas Everything like that Penn State might be the most. Hey, yeah, we hear what they're doing. Let's double it I don't think they were a year ago. I agree, you know, I think that was like the thing and then it was like, okay if we're doing this

We got a buy-in we got to go. So your wrestling team hasn't lost in years, right? Yeah, they are unbelievable Okay, how is it play? Is it Iowa this week? Yeah huge one years to yeah What would that be on TV Big Ten Network Big Ten Network? Probably? Yeah what night I? Actually will watch that Saturday. Yeah, I think it's Saturday night But I would want to watch if you're going to watch a wrestling meet all year that would be the one and I would keep Us talking shit. Yeah It's a Penn State guys. There's like genuine I don't know if it's bad blood because I think both programs respect each other quite a bit

But like this is turn, you know like Iowa was just the best team in the nation for so long. And then Cal Sanderson got to Penn state and like, now they are the best, like, so there's like a genuine rivalry. This on Friday night, maybe watch it. Big 10 network tone. I just saw Friday night. Let me look what network is it in Iowa city? Is it a carver? Is it not sure? Yeah They need to make that network check big 10 network Friday night suite. Um, they need to move Matt Madness

And I know that that is probably a time that has been set They should not be trying to compete against March Madness with that the Matt Madness, which is the national championship for wrestling Electrified it happened upon it one time when there was shitty games for March Madness. And I'm just kind of changing the channel and it's like Matt Madness, come check it out. It's like Gladiators coming in there. And it is, and Penn State dominated the whole fuck, every weight class, Penn State won it all.

Which I think is a piece of the Pat Craft specialty, right? Like we want to win everything is kind of the conversation. Everything, I mean, like you mentioned it yesterday, I know basketball's not there yet, but they're on their way women's volleyball a lot of money on basketball women's volleyball They're back like they were awesome when I was there kind of took a dip and they won it again this year So everybody's everybody's going they're spending a lot of money on their sports Yeah, and I think it's because the athletic director is working He's working his ass off to get it up

And I'm not saying every athletic director can do that obviously Penn State is a lot more alumni they can reach out to but he is oh, yeah He's reaching out to all of them every one of them speak easy down there in the stadium. It's pretty cool idea It is great genius. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you give 10 million and get an opportunity to go speak easy down here How about it get free parking? Worth it worth it 10 million teams good good. Bring 15 of your friends in. Have some drinks. What is the stadium? 700 million?

Yeah. And that's not loans? I mean it looks like a Lego set right now. It's needed. A facelift on the outside and now they're getting it. But it's not loans. That's not 700 million in loans. That's money that they just...

Yeah, they're just getting cash. Who are all these people? I mean there's... Obviously, Pagula is the biggest.'s a lot of bills and Buffalo Sabres I Just saw there's a Skyler which there I think the Honors College at Penn State's named after him see C-h-u-y-l-e-r. Mm-hmm. They just donated like a like a 10 mil gift or also get the speakeasy access Yeah, that's good. Oh get a chance to get in this way Skyler knows I won I get the speakeasy access. Smart. Yeah, that's good. Good ol' Lou. Get a chance to get in the space.

Skyler knows I won't get out of speakeasy. Yeah. Yeah. Good for Pat Kraft. Dog, football guy. Penn State, one of the top AD jobs, I assume, in the country? You would have to imagine, right? I mean, they've been good in a ton of sports.

They're in every, I mean, every single sport, they got a chance to win it. Yeah. The basketball team was a bit of a letdown this season They spent a lot of money on that team too. I think three and seven and the big ten They've kind of been shy remember we were walking we the meetings were in the basketball arena And as we were walking around shaking hands are like yeah invest in big in basketball. There was high hopes I mean, I think they started off 12 and to their cups They're coming off being good too. Like they were good and then their coach went to Notre Dame so they kind of had to like,

you know, figure things out again. So I would assume in a couple years like... Is that the light skinned dude that went over to Notre Dame? Yeah, Michael Shroogeberry. He was cool. He came and talked to us whenever we were up in Notre Dame. I remember how was Notre Dame's basketball team? They stink, I believe.

Oh, okay. But they played in the ACC too, which is a, you know, very tough conference. Got it. Who, ACC still the best basketball conference? Duke's unbelievable this year. SEC is very good. I saw Pitt beat North Carolina last night. Yeah, it was a big win for them. Big game.

Kentucky beat Tennessee is a 10 and a half point favorite last night as well. Tennessee's only lost four games all year. How was College Hoops this year? It's been pretty good. It's starting to heat up. The SEC like Ole Miss is good. There's some other teams that are really good. Yeah, they're going Who would have thought beard would have his team rolling Alabama's good again Arkansas Arkansas people aren't loving Cal that much but Arkansas's all right. What do you mean? They're not loving Cal What the hell is you car you cons lost five? They've fallen off a cliff and kill Hurley. Yeah, I heard cuz he said I'm the best coach in America

And he's just going ape shit at refs like every single night and then he says I'm not changing Yeah, I blacked out. I don't remember saying that that's what he said after he said I'm the best fucking coach in the sport Don't turn your back on me. That was in the press conference Yeah, yeah Cuz I think he did a I think he did a podcast or something afterwards And he said I don't think we should be trying to soften sports There are you gonna change away? No, no My coach I am who I am

Is basically what he said? Yeah, I love it. It's my coach I love everything about anybody that is not scared to be themselves is Which is why we hope that goober down there in Jacksonville has success Hey, man out if that's who he is all the time. We're pulling for you out on the toy He doesn't even have an offensive line coach you you could get a job Heard some things I like it Geez, I know you made your opinions known earlier in the hour. I saw a couple of Jacksonville people say this is a tired narrative The people in Tampa aren't even mad at him anymore

But hey time heals all wounds just like Liam said to Rick Stratt in that interview. Honesty is the best policy boom said that to the local What was that one? He was wearing? Yeah, massive microphone. Was he doing a European? Was that a European interview? Yeah, the European soccer hit I believe Sports yeah, what's Jacksonville? You never know. Yeah, cuz they own also exactly the arsenal over there That's the only way that he can really at least for me be like this is a guy if He shows up one of these nights and fucking choke straight choke slams Chris Jericho like through a table and a W Yeah, and I'll be okay. Okay, never mind

Maybe Williams got maybe this guy's a guy what did urban gave a computer to Chris Jericho? He did keyboard keyboard keyboard to utilize. Mm-hmm. It didn't end up working out, but should I gave him the computer? Yeah, he should have what soccer team do they own down there? Good question, I forget Ajax. No, they own some soccer team Tampa's a man United, right? No, I'm talking about Tampa's man United. Is that right? Maybe full of Actually, it's having a very good season better than they were supposed to this year. Well, that's where Tony's been spending all his time. His chief football strategist, he's spending all his time with Fulham. He's talking that football. Yeah.

Chief American football strategist, they need to call him the Caps. Right. Said just the sssss. All right, AQ, let's win something. Here we go. AJ, anything positive to say other than a condescending shot about them taking a defense coordinator to Penn State? I was not condescending. I was truly congratulating him. But no, AQ does look jacked. He looks like he could do 46 reps of 225 right now.

Could you do more or less 225 than Tim Tebow? Oh, man. What did Tim Tebow do? He said he could do 30 to 35. I did 33 at the combine, combine so could you do more now? Probably less now. Yeah, Tim can do 35 right now. He said he 30s the only thing maybe 40 maybe 40 Yeah, I think he's actually doing them. He's like that's that's just training programs Max weights he's doing Matt. He's trying to lift the most amount of weight possible. What do you AJ?

Why are we lifting if we're not trying to lift the most amount of weight possible. What do you tell you AJ? Why are we lifting if we're not trying to lift the most amount of weight? Oh, yeah He got like offended when I mentioned something about high reps and high rep who's doing reps? I'm listening heavy heaviest thing I can lift yeah He's gonna come in here and do 225 tests actually see if he can get over 30. I believe geez You got those little baby arms. Yeah, I still gotta get it. You still gotta get off the chest You still gotta lock it out. Yeah, but your little baby arms. Yeah, still gotta get it. You're still gonna get off the chest You still gotta lock it out. Yeah, but your little baby arms help Whenever you got a big barrel chest you got the little arms you only got moving what four inches or something

What do you think the hardest part of a bench press is moving its first four inches right off the chest What do you think the hardest part of squad is? Getting off the ground bingo. Maybe we have a bench off you and Tim Tebow. Yeah, there it is Let's do it. Why don't you prepare for that? Why don't you get like a month of preparation for that done okay you set it up on there it'll be here jage might want in does jage do any 225 he's got he can do a bunch how many weights you got 25 jage he's got those long ass arms that that is not a he's still do 30 plus I like that a Q she's like okay we. I like that AQ, she's like,

oh, okay, we're acting like that's the hard part. Hey, you still move 225 a bunch? We're live. I can. How many, like 30? Yeah, I'd probably hit about 30 right now. All right, we're gonna have a 225 bench contest between you, AQ, and Tim Tebow, okay?

When all right, yeah like a month and a half six weeks All right. Okay. All right sweet. Thank you judge. We appreciate you. All right, of course he can Yeah, this is Training starts tomorrow On your wall you lose the JJ and Tim Tebow all body I'll be a tough day It's over tough day Tim Tebow has been preparing since we mentioned it to him the other day. I bet you he's just oh, yeah Yeah, since he's been out of the league. He's so fucking gigantic All right, there we go. That's a different day though today It's all about putting that football the baby Duke 2.0

Which is available now store.padmacforshow.com into that hoop right over there if you're able to do it 30 people in $500 IQ do it for the people do it for yourself do for Penn State do for the good of the world bald head big dreams Overshoots it he's all jacked up thinking about the 225 Ty Schmidt actually has a message for you as you attempt to win 30 people $500. Yeah, you gotta make this because otherwise JJ is probably gonna text you later and he's gonna be like, hey, not only do you not know shit about football and blitzes and stuff like that, but you also can't throw a fucking football into a hoop, which I can do.

And I'm now I'm gonna beat your ass in the bench press competition. Geez, that's a triple win. You don't want that. AQ Shipley, 30 people $500 all you do is put that baby Duke 2.0 and that hoop right over there Hey Q's for the pit yeah How'd that not go in I don't know where that went to be honest I don't know where that went did that go on near side or far side far side far side that was fucked up That was a it's fucked up That's fucked up. Look at the mark on the backboard. That's exactly where you're trying to throw the ball. Yeah

You know, uh Sometimes that's the way life goes sometimes you do everything right and Still ends up bad That's why your next shots your best shot. That's why you can't stop getting into the batter's box That's why you can shot's your best shot. That's why you can't stop getting into the batter's box. That's why you can't let one little thing drag down the next thing. That's why if you make that, 30 people, $500. All you gotta do is put that Baby Duke 2.0

into that hoop right over there, and 30 people's lives will be better because of AQ Shipley! Now you're all jacked up. Take a little juice off, take a little juice off. Come on now. Had the perfect throw. You let one loss lead to two.

Boss Conner has a message for you to really bring your spirits into a place where you win 30 people $500 You know JJ mentioned a few things during his time You know what he also mentioned? He doesn't have what you have that's too boring And we we didn't go to the moon, but you did win a Super Bowl So we don't that's right. We don't know you didn't you want to yeah, but you did win a Super Bowl We don't know Yeah, he said it that's right Take us to the moon

Connor Connor said he went down the rabbit hole didn't have there's no chance and we won't get into that boy He don't believe you fucking shit. He don't pull on you go down a rabbit hole yourself. I'm going down at the night right now I'm being influenced into making this. Here we go. 30 people, $500. He's got no shot. In 2025. He's got it.

AQ Shipley. Hey! What a win! I told you! 30 people, $500. All you got to do is repost this post, say something nice to somebody, and put the easiest way to pay you,

and you could potentially be one of the 30 winners from our friend, AQ Shipley. Baby AQ. All right, from all of us to all of you, we can't thank you enough, we're back tomorrow with a great Thursday. Yeah? Huge. Yeah, tomorrow's big time Thursday.

Actually. It's gonna be a huge Thursday tomorrow.. Huge. Yeah, tomorrow's big time Thursday. It's gonna be huge Thursday tomorrow. Yeah. Potentially. We don't know if it's tomorrow or Friday. Okay. But there's a massive guest coming in the next two days. How big? Big. Mm-hmm. How hilarious? Real. Mm-hmm. How serious? Very much so. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice, it might change your life, we're in this thing together. Team on me, and great work this year. Had a baby, yeah, huge. Thanks for having me, boy, seriously. It's the best time of my week.

Hell yeah. You too, D-Butch, even though we'll see you next week. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice, it might change your life, we're in this thing together. Team on me, team on three. One, two, three, Team Eli!