The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1290 - Super Bowl Monday, Adam Schefter, Luka Dončić/AD Trade Fallout With Shams Charania, Jey Uso, Hulk Hogan, Michael Cole, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: February 3, 2025

On today’s show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys are joined for the whole show by the voice of the WWE and future Hall of Famer, Michael Cole as they discuss all the pertinent information surrounding the Super Bowl as well as a few of the other stories that are massive around the sports world after this weekend. Joining the program to chat about the breaking news that Myles Garrett has requested a trade from the Browns, the Saints Head Coach situation, and more from around the league is ESPN NFL Senior Insider, Adam Schefter. Next, ESPN Senior NBA Insider, Shams Charania joins the show to break down the Luka/AD trade and how it came to be, the De’Aaron Fox trade, what’s going to happen with Jimmy Butler, and what the Warriors are trying to do. Next, 2025 Royal Rumble Champion, Main Event Jey Uso joins the show to chat about his career as a whole, how great of a moment it was for him and his family, how the Yeet movement started, where his entrance through the crowd came from, his relationship with John Cena, and much more. Later, one of the GOAT’s, the Hulkster, Hulk Hogan joins the show to chat about how Real American Beer came to be, why he respects the wrestlers of today so much, some of the ill will that he has received over the years, a look back on his legendary career, and much more. Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. Or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’ll see you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome on this Super Bowl kickoff Monday, February 3rd, 2025. This program starts now. Football! It's wonderful and obviously we're celebrating the biggest game of the year happening on Sunday down in New Orleans between the Chiefs and the Eagles. We'll be at Radio Row down at the Convention Center in beautiful New Orleans, Louisiana, starting on Wednesday all the way through Friday. And then obviously we all watch the massive game on Sunday as we find out whether or not this particular dynasty that the Chiefs are in the middle of is the greatest of all time. And can they win three straight for the first time in the modern Super Bowl era?

And on the other side, two Super Bowl visits in the first four seasons as Nick Sirianni as their head coach. Two in the last three years, Jalen Hurts has championship pedigree. Will he be able to win on the biggest stage alongside a running back that has completely turned back the hands of time with football? A powerful offensive line, a defense that's greedy. We have the Chiefs and the Eagles in Louisiana on Sunday. Obviously, that'll be chatted about throughout the entirety of the week and

obviously we'll chat about today but the weekend was full of surprises. We were lucky to be a small part of some of it on Saturday night. Jey Uso won the Royal Rumble. Yeah. Punching his ticket to the main event of WrestleMania. A man who's been grinding and working his ass off. Night in, night out for the WWE for the better part of the last two decades. Once a Hall of Fame tag team partner alongside his brother with the Usos, now as a singles

competitor who has every arena on their feet, eating alongside of them, eliminates John Cena and sends himself to the main event of WrestleMania. Myself, Wade and a guy who's joining us now on stage here at Thunderdome. A man who's been in the WWE for 28 years has only missed two shows over that span of time. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Cole. Thanks for having me. Cole, massive surprise, big time win, so incredibly excited for Jey Uso and all the hard work that he's put in. Everything that he has done for the company, every meet and greet, every handshake, every bump's put in, everything that he has done for the company, every meet and greet, every handshake,

every bump, every match, everything that he has done, all paid off for this big moment for him to be in the main event of WrestleMania. We're so incredibly proud. I almost got emotional and started crying for him on Saturday night, Michael Cork. It was an incredible night. And the thing about Jay is he's such a great guy,

and like you said, he's worked his butt off for so many years to get to this point. But Jay created himself. I mean, he made this happen. He came up with that yeet catchphrase a year or so ago, and it just took off, and then of course, the dancing and all of that has brought him to this point. But I think the entertainment factor is great,

but Jay is a hell of a worker in the ring, and he really deserves this moment, and I thought the surprise was great. Yeah I thought so too. Everybody was surprised. Everybody thought that maybe it was going to be Sheena because it was his final Royal Rumble.

He would address that immediately afterwards and say hey we'll see you at the Elimination Chamber in Toronto in four weeks which is the final opportunity to punch a ticket to the main event of WrestleMania where Jey Uso will be. That'll be happening in Toronto. We shall see. Hopefully. You know, Kane is doing a lot of chatting right now. Yeah.

So is America. We'll see how that whole thing works out. Excited to get up to beautiful Toronto, up to the sixth for Elimination Chamber where John Cena will be and many others. I believe there's qualifying matches happening over the next few weeks to see who will get into the Elimination Chamber. If you win that you also Go to the main event of WrestleMania, so there's a lot in store

You know every time I come back into the WWE I feel honored. I feel lucky I feel so damn thankful that they asked me to come back But all the wrestling fans the die-hard wrestling fans always attack me Yeah, I say look at this part-timer part-timer part-timer Okay, they come after me and I understand it. I'm like hey listen I'm a wrestling fan, so I completely understand where you're coming from. I used to feel this way as a child as well

whenever I was watching along. I'm very lucky that I get to be a part of WWE. So anytime I'm asked, and I had do bet on red 18, shout out to Peyton Manning with that sign there. But anytime I get asked to come back, I love it. And I try to sell every single night how much I appreciate being there for the fans But the fans a lot of the diehard wrestling fans attacked me for it

You know also some of the employees of WWE attacked me for it and that's kind of the way it is So I get attacked for not being around enough Jey Uso's there every single night of his life literally just grinding away for the company and those same people that are attacking me Are attacking the fact Jey Uso won're never gonna be able to make anybody happy, but I will say this, 70,000 plus, record-breaking Royal Rumble, all yeeting in unison to celebrate this man. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

I think this guy, most over guy on the roster, what a time for him and Michael Cole yeeting off beat is just maybe a highlight of everything. Maybe that's why Jey Uso won. Because he just wanted to see Cole, you know. The fact that Jey has actually embraced me and allowed me to yeet with him and be a part of this is actually pretty cool for me. That's right. For me too. I feel like... And Wade Barrett even got in the ring and did it. That old Englishman. Shout out to Wade. I love that man. It was an honor to work alongside of him. Royal Rumble was

spectacular. We'll continue to talk about that. That was a massive surprise in the WWE then that would be followed up just moments later by a Hmm don't even know how to say this Volcanic yeah sure earth's yeah eruption. Yeah of What from the NBA when Shamsha Ranya would put out a tweet saying that Luca Donchit, the man who has been the face of the Dallas Mavericks, the man who took the Dallas Mavericks to the finals less than a year ago, the man who's been synonymous with not only that city, that team, that franchise, but also the NBA as a whole has got his fat ass, if you listen to Lee, Dallas Mavericks,

we're talking about it, shipped to Los Angeles for Anthony Davis, who once again was the man that the Lakers were gonna build around. This is the future. The team can't be operating around LeBron James, he's too old. This team's gonna run through Anthony Davis.

Anthony Davis, very comfortable in his locker, okay? Very comfortable saying we need another big guy, we need a point guard, something like that. If we wanna really make a run at this thing, this? Very comfortable saying we need another big guy, we need a point guard, something like that. If we wanna really make a run at this thing, this is what we're gonna need. Everybody around the league is talking about Anthony Davis is the focal point, focal point.

Everybody talk about Dallas, Luca Donterstein, Luca Donterstein, Kyrie joining Luca. And instead now, both of them gone. New teams, new era, new time. Sean Charania comes into ESPN, and he had haters behind the scenes who didn't think he was the guy who was supposed to be the senior insider. In drops a big old hat.

Suck it! 91 million views on this tweet alone at this point. That's going to be up over 100 million. You're talking about maybe the biggest trade, okay, in the history of sports. Now they're taking it back old school to a 31- old Well, I believe who got traded in 1968 or something I understand that there has been big movement in the past, but this one gigantic earth-shattering Volcanic like surprise of whoa. Are you serious? Sean Charania will join us in a matter of 33 minutes Jay Uso will join us in the next hour in a matter of 33 minutes. Jay Uso will join us in the next hour, and in a matter of eight minutes,

Adam Scheffner will join us because, surprise, the Pro Bowl games were just yesterday. They were good. Yeah, not bad. They weren't bad. I appreciated the effort out of the boys. I appreciated the football out of the boys. I appreciated the game out of the boys.

I appreciated the girls flag football. High school all-star game that took place beforehand. Thought it was a great day down there in Orlando. One of the participants down there, Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett was talking to people about what their life is like with their teams. And although none of them are in the Super Bowl, because none of the Super Bowl contenders were able to be in the Pro Bowl, Miles Garrett says, that sounds a lot better than what I'm going through.

Yeah. Miles Garrett says, that's a lot better than what I'm going through. You guys are trying to win up there, you think? Yeah, I think so. You're trying to make it to where? Super Bowl? Yeah, yeah. I want to do that. Get me the hell out of here.

Request a trade this morning from the Cleveland Browns. This is another holy shit moment in sports. Just a few days ago down at the Senior Bowl, Andrew Barry, General Manager of the Cleveland Browns said, I'm not listening to anybody trying to trade for Miles Garrett, who has two years left on his contract of non-guaranteed money.

Signed a five-year, $125 million deal, $100 million guaranteed, final two years non-guaranteed. So is this a business move? Potentially. Is this a, hey, I want a new contract statement? Maybe. Or is this Miles Garrett being sick and tired of not being in the playoffs and playing meaningful football? Potentially as well.

We will certainly keep him near the ground and ask Adam Scheffer about it in about seven minutes. Now there's a lot to talk about. To talk, Steve was here at Boston Connor at Ty Schmidt. Nine-year NFL vet, big old football brain, Darius J. Butler is here. D-Butch, Miles Garrett asked for a trade. Where do you think are some possible landing spots? What do you think he gets paid and why do you think he came to this decision? I mean the first place, the first places you look are the places with the most money. We know the Patriots got a ton of money, they got a high draft pick as well so they got some assets.

But for me I'm going to look for it because there's a guy that you think is going to want to contend with some championships. Young quarterback out in Washington, you know they just competed in the NFC championship. Obviously new ownership group, they got money as well so they can pay him. He's still dealing with a rookie quarterback contract there I think the Chargers will be another potential place once again right there on the cusp of compete for a championship And then like I said the Patriots you got a young quarterback you got Vrabes you think they'll be contenders as well But it's a player that I mean you can put him in almost any system

He's a he's an edge rusher a typical throwback for For four three defensive end, but he's an edge rusher, a typical throwback for 4-3 defensive end. But he's an elite player, just kind of like Luca at the top of his game. Absolutely premier pass rusher, which is a premier position. Talk about 2020, first team all-pro, 21 first team all-pro, 22, I believe, second team all-pro, 2023 defensive player of the year, first team all-pro, and then another first team all-pro this year So you talk about the elite of elite now you look at a deal you talked about it's probably potential business move

Obviously this guy wants to win as well But Nick Bosa is now the highest paid defensive end five-year 170 million dollar deal, which is around 34 year so you would think Miles Garrett is kind of gonna get somewhere up in there that ballpark because the gap between Nick Bosa at the top of 34 And then 28 I believe is the second guy with Josh Hines Allen's down in Jacksonville So I'm you would expect him to get paid at his new destination Browns got some dead cap They're gonna have to deal with as well kind of this to Sean Watson fallout But this is I mean, this is one of the best players ever to play the game at one of the most important positions

So this is huge huge news 29 years old be turning 30 in December Washington commanders fans here and their name even announced in the situation like this is obviously good for them. They're they're potentially Yeating all over themselves about that discussion. Also the Patriots who have all the cap space in the world are gonna be linked to everybody con man Yeah, exactly. You got to think like, you know, who knows how free agency works out. But when he got the Patriots, he wants to win a Super Bowl. That's his big message is I want to win a Super Bowl. I want to win a Super Bowl. He'd be believing in the mission of Vrebal, I guess, more so than believing in the Cleveland

Browns mission. Is that what we have to think about? Yeah, definitely. You gotta think, like, Vrebal was just in Cleveland, so you assume that him and Miles Garrett do have some sort of kind of relationship. But of all the teams up there, I would look at Detroit. Detroit paid a bunch of people last year. They already got the Pennies, the golf, the Amun Ra, those contracts done. If they do have $56 million, still don't have to pay Hutch just yet. And then you look at how their season ended where

they did have to replace a bunch of guys. They did have to go get a pass rusher. If the deal, because you would obviously have to pay Miles bunch of guys They did have to go get a pass rusher if the deal because you know You would obviously have to pay miles Garrett to this could be a situation where it's like Wow miles Garrett only went for a two of four and a five because you also have to give them a contract and Detroit feels like a team where in his message He said hey the plan was never to go from Cleveland to Kane The plan was to go from Cleveland to the Super Bowl, win a Super Bowl, and then obviously all those things come with it.

Detroit would kind of be that place I would think where he could look at. It goes from, he goes from rather the AFC to the NFC. Cleveland doesn't really have to deal with them that often. So I would look at Detroit. Well, and as a Packers fan, I don't know if they'll necessarily do it but they had kind of been linked with this past offseason like hey if a guy like Myles Garrett or Max Crosby is available you need to go get one of those guys because that's kind of the area where they've invested a lot of draft capital the last couple years getting first round DNs and

guys who haven't really panned out necessarily they haven't really been able to get to the quarterback and I think back to when the Packers traded and got Reggie White, that was kind of what propelled them to win a Super Bowl and kind of turn around and be one of the better teams of the late 90s. This is the first time they've had cap space since they got rid of Rogers. And I think this would be one of those splashes where we all hear about how they're the youngest team in the NFL. Well, you can get one of the best players in the NFL right now who can maybe come

in and give some of that game to the young kids who need to make a huge step up. You're hearing a lot of fans I assume this morning as soon as they learn of Miles Garrett potentially being available saying, hey, get them to our team. Get them to our team. Now there's going to be some salary cap situations that aren't going to be able to make it feasible. The Jets are one of them. How do you feel about that?

Michael Cole, diehard Jets fan. How do you feel about the NFL? Now we can talk about the NBA trade as well, that would probably be next hour more so. NBA I think, I'm not going to say it was a work, but there's a chance that you trade two megastars. First time ever to all NBA players have been traded for each other and it's like all eyes are on the NBA now, Super Bowl week and I know trade deadline is February 6th of Super Bowl week, I know trade deadlines February 6 of Super Bowl week But that's a massive combo miles Garrett then requests official trade here from the Browns this morning massive conversation Michael Cole How do you feel about it as a Jets fan? How do you feel about it from a sports world fan? I don't think they're going after Garrett at all. I mean they're cap space where they got 16 million or something like that

What I was thinking about what about the Bears? I mean the Bears got a lot of money to play with Ben Johnson's coming in right? I mean, so I mean what about Chicago? I mean they're trying you know Johnson said what the other day that it's gonna be Caleb's team now bringing somebody on defense I don't know sounds good to me interesting thing about it is miles Johnson say once won a Super Bowl Yeah, okay, so if he goes to any of these teams that have not won a Super Bowl, he's basically just banking on this particular team being a better run organization than the Cleveland Browns, which is quite a shot.

It's quite a shot at the Cleveland Browns, even though he said he absolutely loves living in Cleveland and he has grown there in his statement and everything like that. Browns fans have to be thinking to themselves all what the hell is going on because literally just a week ago Andrew Andrew Berry was like we're not trading miles Garrett he is not available now all of a sudden miles Garrett same is that right yeah I think I am available joining us now I made him release miles Garrett statement and probably knows a little bit more about the behind the scenes senior NFL insider for ESPN Michigan man Adam Schefter. Schefter you look awesome as the sun hits your face in the weird little place you look awesome. Thank you for joining us. Massive morning here we thought the trade between Luka AD

and then Utah getting sprinkled in there would be the biggest conversation. It certainly still is but Myles Garrett perennial all-pro, defensive player of the year candidate every single year, wanting to be traded with two non guaranteed years left on his contract, just one week removed from the general manager saying they aren't listening to any trade offers for him. How do we get here and is he only going to contenders or is he going to other buildings that have money and potentially a better vision than Cleveland Browns? If he's going again because that have money and potentially a better vision than Cleveland Browns?

If he's going again because we have a team here in the Cleveland Browns I know we get swept up in the moment. We've got this defensive player of the year Requesting a trade out of Cleveland and this is not a surprise to the Browns the Browns Knew about his unhappiness. I think they've asked around, they've prepared for it. They've gotten some opinions about how to best handle this situation, knowing that it could be coming. And I think that they are dug in and entrenched in their stance that they're not going to trade Miles Garrett. That's not the kind of player you move on from.

You're talking about arguably the best defensive player in the league, 29 years old. That's a player that helps you win a Super Bowl. And that's what the Browns want to try to do. So, again, we can continue to talk about this and we will, because it's certainly interesting. But we also have one side here in the Cleveland Browns that doesn't want to trade Miles Garrett and says it won't trade Miles Garrett. And the GM, Andrew Berry, even has told reporters that he doesn't care if he's offered two number ones

He's not trading miles Garrett now what we have but changes the equation some potentially is we've got miles Garrett now going public With the statement and the idea that he does want out of Cleveland He wants to play on a team where he believes he's got a chance to win a Super Bowl, which obviously he doesn't feel like is the case in Cleveland. So the Browns, if they trade them, there's acceleration on his contract to the tune of about 35 or so million dollars. They're already over the cap to trade him becomes financially difficult and challenging. Not since they can't do it, but it's hard. So I think the whole situation here, Pat, is honestly in my mind, so dogging

is Miles Garrett. So miserable is he prepared to try to make life for the Cleveland Browns. Is he willing to sit no matter what when they go to training camp if they haven't traded him by then is he Continually going to issue statements saying how unhappy he is and how much he wants to does he make it such that he Forces them to trade him or do they acquiesce to his wishes and listen to him when that's not what they want to do And they've been perfectly clear about that. Okay, so in your eyes If you had to project right now, and I know we literally just learned of Miles Garrett taking this thing public,

but these situations have certainly happened before in the NFL, certainly during your time of covering the NFL. When the season starts, you think Miles Garrett has a new deal with some guaranteed money? You think this is business-wise? Do you think he's a Cleveland Brown? Or do you think he's gonna be gone?

Because once somebody goes public, what is that? That's just putting massive pressure on Andrew Barry to see if he's a Cleveland Brown or do you think he's he's gonna be gone because once somebody goes public what is that that's just putting massive pressure on Andrew Barry to see if he's really about it okay but you know what Debo Samuel issued a trade request to the 49ers two years ago he's still there Brandon Iuke issued a trade request to the 49ers last year he's still there so when you issue a trade request in the NFL, it's not final that you're being traded. There are still many steps to go through. And again, the Browns have been very public in the idea that they're not moving on from Miles Garrett. They're not trading them, which is why I come back to the point is how difficult is Miles Garrett willing to make life for them?

Is he going to make it such that they have to trade them? If you're the Browns, you go to Miles Garrett and I say, Miles, I know you want to be out, but, but we want to make you the highest paid defensive player in football. You feel any better? No, I don't. I'll still want to. Oh, you still want to. Okay. We want to make you the highest paid defensive player and we want your input on what we should do at quarterback now

And what you think are some guys that you think adult the team you feel better now? No, okay Like what can you do to make him feel better? Usually when a player hears that he's the highest paid something player in NFL history I'm not playing it that will happen I don't know how miles feels but sometimes that makes a player feel better and changes mind got especially with two Non-guaranteed money years left for somebody his caliber Obviously, this is potentially a business play by miles to kind of put some public pressure on the Browns to make it happen

But let's say trade does take place D bunch has a question for you Yeah And this I know you mentioned IU can debo But this is you know number one pick premier guy at a very very elite position But so let's say it does get to that point What would the compensation be for miles Garrett you think and can you recall a pass rusher of this caliber moving? At this point his career Only on that would be the closest comparison that would be out there right now because

when Khalil Mack requested a trade, it was not altogether dissimilar to Mal Garret. There were teams salivating at the idea of trading for Mack when he was playing with the Raiders. And I posted the compensation before earlier this morning. Let me just call it up exactly to give you an idea. But the trade comp on Cleo Mack was he was trading from Oakland to Chicago. The Bears gave up two first round picks, a third round pick, and a sixth round pick for Mack, a two and a conditional five. So two ones, a three, a six for Mac, a two and a five.

Now that went on for a while. I don't know that. I don't know that the Raiders maximize the return Mac refused to budge. Mac was 27 at the time. My house, Garrett's 29. Again, that's the best comp I think that's out there right now. Miles Garrett is an elite player. Again, that's the best comp I think that's out there right now. Myles Garrett is an elite player. Again, you can make the argument he's the best defensive player in the league very easily. So I think that the return is probably along those lines. But again, we have the Browns GM Andrew Berry on record saying that he wouldn't

even consider two first round picks from Miles Garrett, which by the way would be my stance as well if I were the GM. I would say I wouldn't consider three ones for the guy. That's what I would say. Now what I would have wanted to take would be a different deal. So it's just the question of gamesmanship. Now again, is this a business play by Miles Garrett? I don't think so. I think he legitimately wants to be in a place where he feels like he's going to have a chance to win the super bowl. But again, is there anything that could get him off that, that changes his mind? So last question from me, and obviously we're all learning about this as we go. So that means he's only going to teams that are contenders. Is that

what we're hearing? That's what in his ideal world, that's what he's doing. Now again, what if they said, we're trading you, I'm making this up to Chicago. Is Chicago, again, is Chicago a Super Bowl contender right now? But what if Chicago, he feels like is a, I think the best way of saying it, he wants to go to what he believes is a Super Bowl contender. But I think as we talk about this, I think that would be a place that he believes gives him more hope to win a Super Bowl championship than the Browns do. And there are probably multiple NFL franchises that would fall into that category because I think if you had to consider it 31 teams, would be interested in training for Miles Garrett. That's what we because we went through

the salary cap and what the projected amount of money is and obviously you look at a lot of these teams and it's like well the Patriots would obviously benefit from having Miles Garrett. Grable was in Cleveland this past year they have the money to do it but would Miles be like yep you know what I'm going up to New England because I believe they could potentially be a Super Bowl contender Then you just go down the line there of all the people that have it like does he think the Chargers are potentially a Super Bowl Contender even though they haven't really been able to get close to the dance in some time. Does he believe Harbaugh changes things Chicago? It's like does he think Ben Johnson will be able to get them to a Superbowl? It's like, is it his projected contender or the actual contenders? Like,

is he thinking about going to Baltimore that only has 8.9 million? They can't even really seemingly afford them or the chiefs or going to Detroit or going to the Packers maybe who had a chance to go to run. Like, what does he mean? I think we just kind of wait and see I guess, Shifty. Well, I think first of all, a few things to keep in mind. I don't think there's any way or chance in hell that the Browns ever would consider trading him in a division. So you could knock out those teams.

And by the way, they said they're not trading them at all. They're certainly not trading them in the division. I would think that if they're trading them, they certainly wouldn't want to trade them in conference and again, they say they want to trade him and Miles Garrett would have the ability because any team would have to give up the hall and any team that trades for him Obviously we'd want to have him under contract So he would have some say there because let's just say it was normal. Let's say he doesn't like that area He doesn't believe in the team. He doesn't like whatever it is. He could say, I'm not going

there. You know, sorry, Connor. I'm not trying to pick it up. I'm just giving you an idea. We've been talking about that all morning, but it's like Minnesota, Detroit, Packers, all those. And it's what he, it's what he believes. It's what he feels. It's what he feels in any team that would give up what it would be required to acquire him. And again, this is even considering the idea that the Browns would be willing to trade on which they haven't been. But if they were, then it would have to be to a team that is going to give up so much. And they're not going to give up that much without having him under contract or him being unhappy about being traded. So he not going to give up that much without having him under contract or him being unhappy about being traded. So he's going to have to sign off on the trade even though

he doesn't have a no trade request. So he's going to basically be able to dictate it. That's if Cleveland ever gets to the spot where it moves off its current stance of we're not trading it. So there's a lot of things that have to happen before we get there just to give you an idea of where this is at. All right well good luck to all parties. Yep. Good luck to all parties. There's a lot of NFC teams though that are doing a little dance thinking they can get Miles Garrett. Green Bay Packers you'd give up two ones, a third, and pay him? Yes. To get him on the squad? Yes. Vikings probably do the same they don't even have a quarterback yet but if you get another game wrecker on the defensive side Lions, they lose Aiden Hutchinson still able to win

But in the end not able to get to where they want to go Why not continue to build depth anything they want they can have it and then with the Niners I mean the Niners adding Myles Garrett to that defense after a disappointing year and now granted Christian McCaffrey didn't play I mean there's him and Bosa a lot of NFC teams that would be like, all right, let's go and get it. Hopefully Andrew Berry is able to figure it out. Let's talk about some other news that happened around the NFL. If you have time, we appreciate you making some here

on this glorious day. Chip Kelly's back in the NFL. He's getting paid six million to be the offensive coordinator of the Las Vegas Raiders. So the Ohio State Buckeyes lose both of their coordinators. Jim Knowles goes to Penn State on a $3.1 million deal, allegedly to Penn State. Ohio State was not able to match or didn't come close.

Chip Kelly now going to the Raiders on a $6 million deal, allegedly, per year, that's via Albert Breer. Allegedly in a conversation, new ownership, and said like, hey, no stone unturned, anything you need to be able to put a staff together, you could do that. Chip and Pete, do they have history? And how much did we expect chip Kelly to come back to the NFL before? this hiring cycle shifty

Well, I think he want to get back to the NFL and the Raiders made a lot of inquiries and did a lot of background checks to See this is what they were trying to do again I think everybody would agree on chips offensive prowess and brilliance and so they were trying to do. Again, I think everybody would agree on Chip's offensive prowess and brilliance. And so they were trying to see, okay, is there a reason that we should move in that direction? Is there another candidate that's more qualified? They were looking at some other people as well. But ultimately, the recommendations on Chip's offensive mind came back in such a way that they felt like this was the move to make. And look, they're at a disadvantage in that division with those coaches and those quarterbacks in the AFC West. It's loaded. He comes in with energy and enthusiasm and passion and a defensive expertise. So they need somebody to really run that offense. And Chip Kelly certainly is more than capable of doing that.

They identified him. And this is where the new money and the limited owners that the Raiders have come into play. Because Mark Davis got an infusion of money from the limited owners that included Tom Brady. And they now can go out and spend that money on guys like Chip Kelly. There's no salary cap for coaches. You're capped off on what you can and can't spend on players, but there's no cap on coaches. So if you want to go pay Chip Kelly $6 million a year to bring him in to Las Vegas, you can go do that.

And having cash is actually the big deal. And the Raiders clearly have some cash that they can throw around to coaches and that they're gonna be able to use in the form of guaranteed money and signing bonuses to upcoming free agents. So that's going to be something that I think the Raiders lean into as they try to make up ground on the rest of the teams,

the AFC West and in that conference. And that's no cap brother, you know, especially on the coaching staff. This is why we talk about the Denver Broncos being such a promising position for whoever's gonna go coach there because the Waltons, the Walmart family, they got it. You know, so they can pay the coaches more than other places. You can keep people around. Raiders getting into that game is kind of crazy. Chip Kelly going to Vegas. Say it Connor. I mean look why not Will Howard going with him too. Whoa! Where they want the daddy together you know. The quarterback knows the offense understands Chip Kelly very well. Chip Kelly beloved by the Ohio State players Jeremiah Smith,

number one wide receiver on earth said no with a heartbreak with a heartbreak in there so who knows how Ohio State looks going forward we shall see all right let's pivot away he's got certain knowledge on those guys that other people don't he's gonna have worked with all them and we also go back to his time in Philadelphia remember how much everybody wanted the Eagles and shift Kelly to trade up to get Marcus Mariota who's gonna be a free agent this offseason So Marcus Mariota, I think maybe that's gonna be an option But I'll tell you where else Marcus Mariota gonna be an option in Miami with Tua his good friend Tua There'll be an option there

so There could be a little bit of interest in Marcus Mariota between the Miami Dolphins and Chip Kelly and the Las Vegas Raiders And that's a great spot for Marcus because he's got two no-tax states. So he's going to have some interesting choices this off season. He needs to go to Vegas, I think. Some oosh juice down there, Miami, man. I like everything about that.

Marcus Mariotta, certainly, we got another bout of respect for Marcus Mariotta, appreciate everything he did. We got out to see Oregon. He has an entire hallway dedicated to him. For everything he did out there, certainly certainly that was like 15 years ago though I mean it was that was pretty good amount of time what Chip Kelly will Howard were able to do especially during his playoff time Biggest time of the year was nothing short of magical now Pete Carroll goes to Las Vegas That was one part of the coaching cycle

There is one job still remaining that is available in the NFL tie is a question question for you, Shefty. Shefty, where do we stand with the Saints job right now? Obviously, Mike McCarthy pulls his name out. He's going to be looking to the next year's cycle and everything is kind of leaning towards, hey, this is basically going to be Kellen Moore's job. Has there been any movement on that? Is that the expectation that once the Super Bowl is over Kellen Moore will become the head coach of the Saints or what's going on there? Let's spell this out tie right. This is pretty simple. You and I have talked about this before we did it this morning We could stop the charade what's going on here is that the New Orleans Saints wisely are going to be doing everything by the book as they should be because the last time the last time the.

Hold on. Hold on. Let me rephrase that. The Roland Saints when it comes to this coaching hire, should we do everything by the book? Right? Let me rephrase that. Okay. I want to make sure we're accurate here. When it comes to this coaching, the Saints are going to do everything by the book, right? Got it, got it, got it, got it. Let me rephrase that, okay. I wanna make sure we're accurate here.

Yes, yes, yes. When it comes to this coaching hour, the Saints are gonna do everything by the book because the last time the Eagles were in a Super Bowl in the host city was Arizona. The Cardinals, there was evidence found that they tampered with the Eagles defensive coordinator, Jonathan Gannon, the Eagles owner, Jeffrey Lurie, not happy.

He pressed the issue and draft compensation was awarded to the Eagles on draft night. So the league sided with the Philadelphia Eagles. Jeffrey Lurie knows what it's like. The Saints have been in the crosshairs with the NFL before, not the first time. And so the head of the Saints organization, Mickey Lummismis is going to do everything in his power when it comes to this coaching hire to follow the rules and go buy the book and not talk to Kellen Moore until after the soup book. Could it break down and they not reach an agreement? Sure. Is that likely? No. Kellen Moore is going to have a chance to probably triple his salary, become a head

coach, 1 of 32. And if the Saints were making any other move, whether it was hiring the Dolphins defensive coordinator, Anthony Weaver, or the Giants offensive coordinator, Mike Kafka, or their own interim head coach, what are they waiting for? Why not go hire them right now? But they're not. They're waiting. And they're waiting to talk to Kellen Moore and they're waiting to make

sure that they give the Eagles absolutely zero evidence that they've tampered with the guy until after the game. But the fact that they don't have a coach tells you everything you need to know about where this is going. Of course, barring a setback, he's going to be the guy. Could there be a setback? Or there are often our setbacks. Bill Belichick didn't wind up becoming the head coach of the Jets. Josh McDaniels didn't wind up becoming the head coach of the Colts. Liam Cohn didn't wind up becoming the coordinator of the Buccaneers.

But barring new setbacks, we know where this is tracking and we know where this is going. Let's not be oblivious to it. Okay, congrats, Kelly Moe, if you end up becoming the head coach. And the Josh McDaniels, Jim Ursay dumping party could have been settled with some Dove Mencare whole body deal.

You know, if it's, do you ever get any confirmation on that story? What story well allegedly now we've obviously covered this pretty in depth because we are Colts fans here Allegedly whenever Jim ursay wanted to make Daniel Dump that took place potentially And that is inevitably why Josh decided to turn the plane around because at the very end was like, we're going to be living with this dumper all day.

No way. Let's get out of here and goes back to New England. Do you know if that was the reason or? I can't dump on that story. I don't know what the actual. Wow. That's pretty good. Not bad.

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It's not because of you, brother. Don't you worry about that. They're not saying you smell like shit. They're not saying you smell like shit. Okay, let's continue to move to other talking points around the NFL speaking of shit. Michael Cole, massive New York Jets fan. Adam, what are we doing to our quarterback? Is Rodgers coming back? What's happening? New York Jets fan. Thanks. Adam, what are we doing to our quarterback? Is Rodgers coming back?

What's happening? New York Jets fan, obviously. He's talking about the Jets situation. Aaron Rodgers still open to anything, attached to nothing. Aaron Glenn, new head coach. Aaron Muzhi. Muzhi, Muzhi, Muzhi. Aaron Muzhi, yes.

You want Aaron Rodgers back or you just want them to do whatever's good for the team? I think we have to bring Rodgers back if he wants to come. We don't have any quarterbacks and you try to draft somebody and learn under Aaron and move on from there. That's my thought but I'm not sure. What is yours, Shefty? I think that Aaron Glenn and Aaron Rodgers have to sit down and number one Aaron Rodgers first and foremost has to decide whether or not he wants to play, whether or not wants to play in New York whether or not he's committed to going through all this again And if and when that's the case then Aaron Glenn is gonna have this Aaron Glenn and Darren Mouge You have a decision to make about what they want to do with their franchise from a talent standpoint

There's probably not a better Option out there than Aaron Rodgers. And the guy still has it and he still can play. The question is, what do they want to do as they're rebuilding their organization? Is that a long term play? Do they feel like there is a better fit for the organization to grow with? And those are questions I think that both sides have to answer with the input from one another as they sit down and talk

about this issue moving forward. Okay, Shafty, you'll be on top of it. We will try to as well. Have not talked to Aaron, trying to give him his space like we always do after the season. Well, I mean the way he finished that season, there's no way he's walking away. No. They played well. There's no way. He's just, you know what? Yeah, I'm done. Especially with how the season went and all the shit that was talked. It just doesn't feel like an Aaron Rodgers move to walk away now, but once again, who knows? No chance. Finish the season healthy, play well. Obviously, team success wasn't there.

You would think he would want to go out on better terms than that for sure. And also for him, I mean, the timing with the quarterback situation. Kind of perfect. Both coming out of the draft and in the free agent world to your point they're into his point there really isn't Like he's already air. He knows the building you get a young guy in there can maybe learn underbought. It's like Feels like the stars are aligning for this day and let's not forget the Jets still have a ton of talent I mean they were so poorly coached last year. They have a ton of talent they do true They're gonna win it all next year?

No, not at all. Never in my lifetime. I've said I'll never- So what does it matter for you? I'll never go to a Super Bowl until the Jets are there, so I guess I'm never going to attend a Super Bowl. Aw. It's sad. Come on. You don't ever know that. You never know that. You have no idea what's going to happen next year. There's been a lot of teams that have been asked that have been able to

flip it around. Just one different energy in a building can change everything and Woody Johnson said I sucked as an owner I gotta I gotta own that I don't think it was those exact words But he said maybe I haven't been the greatest owner I need to own that so maybe things to turn around and young brick Johnson another year of experience exactly I'm gonna be able to buy scratch offs next year whenever he's going in there Yeah, you know who knows who knows what he's gonna do love it We'll see. You are the most pessimistic Jets fan of all time. As soon as Aaron gets there, he goes. Shepty. Boy, that's quite a statement, the most pessimistic Jets fan of all time. That is quite a distinction because there are a lot of them out there. No questions asked. I mean, I'm sure

there are others, but as soon as Aaron Rodgers goes to the Jets, he goes, why? Why'd he do that? His career is over. That was his first response. Not like, hey, we're going to win the Super Bowl now, like how I was feeling. Man, the talent, the energy. He wins. He's going to have a parade right down the middle of New York City.

I mean, it's going to be great. And Cole's like, why is he doing that? Why is he coming to our team? Why, he's going to ruin everything. It's like, no, he's coming to help everything. He's like, nope, that ain't how it's going to go. And then four plays in, this guy's like, I told you, we're going gonna ruin everything. It's like no he's coming to help everything. He's like nope that ain't how it's gonna go and then Four plays in this guy. I told you we're a ruin it It's uh, I think Jets fans have to feel that way

Oh, we're the jaded Jets are the way it is until it changes and hopefully that we able to change Speaking of change is there more change coming Connor has a question for you chef Yeah, chef turn other bills lost in the playoffs leads to another possible rule change. Obviously, we tried with the Hawkeye technology earlier, I believe in the preseason and some a little bit last year with the first down marking and it took forever. So it didn't get carried into this regular season. But again, now, the NFL is reportedly considering using electronics for the 2025 season. Is there a new development in the technology? Is there some other strategy they're going to try to use? And at what point are we just going to use the microchip

that's already in the football? Well, what I would say is first of all, Rod Rigadale is scheduled to have his annual State of the Union this afternoon. And I'd be very surprised if this wasn't one of the questions that came up during the press conference. I'm sure somebody maybe from Buffalo is going to ask him that question about whether or not the league has made advancements with the chip in the football. They've experimented with this before. I would imagine if they had the technology, they're going to move forward in a direction where they can lean on it. They're looking for any way to improve these kinds of things.

And the chain gang is something that was operating seemingly a hundred years ago. There was a chip in a football that could give you a better reading. Then that would be great. But I, I still think there are issues with that, that the league is trying to get through. There's no surefire solution. Even if there were a chip in the football, it doesn't ensure that that football would have been properly marked whether it was or wasn't a first down and the AFC

Championship game but the league absolutely has been looking at this it would love for the technology we developed It would love to be able to use it if it makes sense. It certainly will so And I saw a lot of people talking about how tennis has Hawkeye and everything they tried it And I saw a lot of people talking about how tennis has Hawkeye and everything they tried it The NFL tried Hawkeye during preseason and it was terrible so bad. It was like a four or five minute wait and then nothing it was Very bad. I don't know how the technology doesn't exist or the NFL and the right partner hasn't got in there You gotta remember it has to be a hundred percent You know as tech has to be a hundred percent very rarely is technology a hundred percent That is like a a very big flaw of tech.

Can operate high, but then every once in a while, there'll be a flub. If we rely on this tech, which I'm in for, believe me, I've been calling for the chain gang's head for years now at this point, because I'm about tired of seeing 85 year old whites trot out there with this thing. And that's the authority on whether or not somebody

gets another set of downs or not. But it's like the tech, if that thing flubs any bit then now all of a sudden the tech is in to screw, I mean there is, it's something they gotta get right like and I'm not sure they've been able to find the right thing, hopefully the right tech partner comes around because in 2025 with all the shit we're capable of doing, you would assume we'd be able to know where the hell a football is on a football field that is being tracked at all times.

Well, and even with the tennis, like John McEnroe told you, like, hey, tennis people don't even believe that the... Players, tennis players. Players, yeah, rather, don't believe that that is 100% accurate. So if it were to be a situation like that, where it would flub and the Chiefs get the ball either way, then it's just all. Oh, now this is a. Yeah, that's even more so.

This is a systemic issue now coming from the tech to the entire thing. So I understand why the NFL is trying to be like, we're trying, but we need something that is 100% right. Because if that's not right, now you're talking about an even bigger controversy and conspiracy that starts cooking out of it all. Well, and I read that the chip in the football is in the middle of the football too, so like that's why they can't use it because like it's gonna, you know, if like the tip of the football gives them a first down, the chip's gonna read like, oh that was still a couple inches behind. What's that

called? Not a radius. A radius is from the center to the outside. Yeah. You would assume the radius would be similar in every football, so you'd be able to do the math, but nonetheless, all you need is that chip to glitch one time and all of a sudden you have a bigger conspiracy than ever before. Shafty, we'll see you down in New Orleans. We appreciate the hell out of you, buddy. Safe travels down here, guys. Appreciate it. Have a great Monday. You're the man. Hey, this has been pretty good. We saw the sun move, you know, we saw the sun move off your face into the sky a little bit.

That's the NOLA sun, the NOLA daylight hours wherever it is. Yeah it's it's gotten cloudy here since I first came on the show here. It's supposed to be mid 70s all week we cannot wait to get down. Ladies and gentlemen Adam Schefter thank you buddy. 64 today in Indiana 31 tomorrow so we're in the middle of that whole thing and that rat bastard out of Punxsutawney I'm sick of seeing him. I'm from Pennsylvania okay so I understand Punxsutawney, I'm sick of seeing him. I'm from Pennsylvania, okay? So I understand Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania, beautiful place, great tradition, all that. Good celebration. I think they party pretty good there.

Would like to be a part of it. I'm about tired of that little weasel piece of trash. I'm about sick of it. Remember in 2020 when the world was going bad? Oh yeah. And everybody was living a terrible life? All we needed was that little piece of vermin to come out and say, you know what? Sun's going to come out.

And said, went back in there there pout on top of us it was at that moment I'm not gonna let this little piece of shit decide whether or not I'm happy the son's coming I agree although I do have a little bit more of a soft spot for him because I I think I saw that this is his first Groundhog's Day as a father so yeah I knew he wasn't paying attention so you know I mean that's that's a big deal need him him dead for a week. This thing too busy boning as opposed to reading the damn doppler. I need to punk.

When was the last time he said spring was coming? Never. Decades, probably. Yeah, it's because he pops up. He's a scaredy cat. We need a little ground rat that has a little bit more moxie that doesn't poke his head out, see all the cameras go, wah, and goes back in there. I'm sick of this thing. Well, good news, boys. has a little bit more moxie that doesn't poke poke his head out see all the cameras go

And goes back in now. Well good news boys Staten Island Chuck didn't see a shadow He said it's an early spring this year. Oh great. Yeah, but nobody saw Staten Island Chuck so and we don't know Si Chuck's a bit of a dog, but if Phil's saying winter and Phil is clapping cheeks with all the other groundhogs He's having kids. We're never gonna get an early spring from Phil That's the issue. Maybe it's cuff and seat still for Phil. Yeah, he's just trying to stay stay in his ground is his hole Multiple. He obviously has many holes. Yeah There's always an angle I guess selfishly he is Just out there spreading it. Yeah. Studding himself out.

Why would I want to leave my hole or any of them? I don't want sun to come. No. I hope for more winter. Just me. And that's what I've been saying about this little piece of trash this entire time. This little dumpster rat, groundhog piece of... Just get the hell out of my life. Have the party.

Have the punk satani Punxsutawney party because I think people have a good time. Sure. But I'm tired of us acting like this thing has any idea. It doesn't. It's not Joe Nardo. Oh. Hey I need Joe Nardo come up out of his grave and tell us whether or not spring's coming. Another Pennsylvania legend. Joining us now is a man who changed sports completely with one tweet. A man who said yeah I am the senior NBA insider at ES tweet. A man who said, yeah, I am the senior NBA insider at ESPN. A man who said, wait a minute, is this real? And then fired off a hundred million view tweet. Ladies and gentlemen, Sham Sharanya. Shamie, how

you doing? You are peacocking around a little bit around those ESPN studios. You know, some people probably had a little bit of a question. Why are we bringing in Chum Charanya? It should be me. I'm not helping this guy out. And all you do is fire off a tweet a little bit after midnight, change the trajectory of the entire NBA, not only this season, but forever. Congrats, Sean's. We're proud of you, buddy.

Yeah. I listen, I had no idea. You never know going to trade deadline what it's gonna be like But this obviously Pat you saw me I was lounging At my house you you posted the picture of me with with my unmade hair and my glasses You gave you you you gave yeah, there you go You gave the viewers a look at how I am what I'm not doing anything. Yeah, you aren't expecting this. Let's talk about the story. And everybody was saying it was fake.

Everybody's saying you were hacked. You know, it was too big of a story for little Shamsha Ranya to break. It was too big of a story for this to actually happen in reality. So I wanted to FaceTime you because I was still up after Royal Rumble, tough to sleep after those WWE events for me. So I FaceTime you just see if you answer. You couldn't even answer because your phone was going off. So you had to answer me on a computer, which is why my phone was literally malfunctioning. I swear it was malfunctioning. I had up to 300 unread messages.

I kept getting call after call after call. I swear my phone malfunctioned because I had to start taking like Facetimes off my Mac. I had to start texting off my Mac. So shout out to Apple. I guess they're making products for these different ways for you to get access to your text messages or whatever. But I will say- Well, and Tim Apple, understand that when Shams wants to break the world, he needs to be able to access the rest of the world afterwards.

You should be incredibly proud of yourself, Shams. That's a big ass deal, brother. How'd it come about? How'd it come about? Obviously, you said you were lounging. How long had you known this was happening? I think old buddy Collins said a few weeks back, he reached out to Palinka or whatever at the Lakers, and he said, we kept it real tight. We kept it real tight just to see what was possible. When did you find out about this? And what do you think this messaging is from both teams about the particular trade?

So, Pat, the formal offer of Luke andantic was made really recently, really over the last week or so. And when, when Nico Harrison calls Rob Polinka and offers Luka Dantic in a trade, obviously that's nothing that Rob Polinka is thinking about on a day to day basis. The Lakers never are going to shop Anthony Davis or try to trade Anthony Davis. So the Mavericks are really the ones that initiated this conversation that made this formal offer. And it's interesting, Pat, this is a peek back into my life.

Last week I was hearing some stuff around the Mavericks and the Lakers that they might be discussing a player in a trade. And that might have been the greatest smokesc screen ever. Because clearly it wasn't that player. It was something way bigger, way more seismic, nuclear. Every word you can come up with. This is one of the biggest trades in pro sports. This is the biggest trade, most shocking trade in NBA history. When you think about Luka Dacic, Anthony Davis, they're two all NBA players. Anthony Davis in all of this I think has gotten, he's 31, he's got a little bit of a short end of the stick here. He's an all NBA player, he's an all defensive player, he just had a 40-20

game in his last game for the Lakers. Like he can play and the Mavericks clearly believe that him and Kyrie Irving and those those guys on that roster Will give this Mavericks team a better chance to win a championship. They're betting against Luka Dantjes They're betting against Luka Dantjes ability to sustain Fitness his body his physique and and they are going all in on Anthony Davis clearly That's the player that they targeted but on the other hand, this is Luka Doncic. He's 25 years old. He's the face of this Mavericks franchise. Now he's gonna be the face of the Lakers franchise, a franchise that has LeBron James on this roster. And LeBron James at the age of 40 years old is

gonna be able to, at year 22, be able to mentor Luka Doncic in a lot of ways. Like give him so much wisdom to be able to take it to another level and that's someone that Luka Dantic idolizes and has a lot of respect for as well. So listen, I never thought there would be a day where the Mavericks would trade Luka Dantic outside of him requesting to be traded. Mark Cuban said in recent years, he would rather get a divorce than trade Luka Dantic. They were going to build a statue for Luka Dantic outside of the Dallas Mavericks Arena. And just quickly, just as quickly, they had traded him and they

let him know several minutes before I put the news out that Lakers let Anthony Davis know before I put this news out and off we go. Okay. So obviously a lot there. Congratulations on you getting the scoop. You said that Dallas is betting against Luca's conditioning and being able to stay in shape. There's also a tie to the general manager of the Dallas Mavericks with AD, right? Isn't he kind of like used to work at Nike? They kind of did the deal together.

When did this all happen? Because the video of Luca enjoying a beer after a big time game and somebody from the Mavericks taking the beer out of his hand Obviously recycles around the internet. When did the Mavericks say you know what this guy's fat This guy isn't a professional This guy isn't who we want to build around because to your point it felt like that was like Kyrie was going To Luca's team and on the Lakers side they got to build around Anthony Davis

They can't build around LeBron was the conversation. When do these things change? And did it only change with AD and Lakers because Luka was available? I mean, it had to have changed. It clearly changed this season. Like Luka Dacic, you know, everyone likes to make, you know, there's always this commentary about his weight about his conditioning about his game shape how he's looking This is something year over year gets gets gets talked about gets dissected But then they look at Donchich is a perennial MVP candidate at the end of day No matter what he looks like no matter his physique no matter. He's a good top player Yeah, just led he just led to that the Dallas Mavericks to the NBA finals seven months ago

but for whatever reason and I will say this there has been levels of friction with Luka Dantic and and Not the roster but the organization and even even the medical staff the performance staff and stuff that You know you would think that you manage and you work through because of the talent that Luka Dantic is because of the greatness of Luka Dantic but clearly the Mavericks felt in order to win a championship right now we are not this is in their mind we are not gonna be able to do it Luka Dantic the way we're going to be able to do it with Anthony

Davis that is the gamble that they're making that's the bet that they're making and who knows I mean if they win a championship in the next three years, justifiable to do this trade. Because for the Lakers, this is more for the longer term. This is for the next 10 years. This is the set that their franchise is on.

Got it. And whenever the Mavs came and played the Pacers, 77 jerseys throughout the entire arena. I assume that is everywhere. So for the Mavericks front office to be like, well, yeah I I wish hell on the Mavericks. That is what I wish although I like Anthony Davis. I like Kyrie It's like Luca was your show pony brother And let's see what life is like without it saw what happened with the Cavs yesterday against the Mavs now

We only have a few minutes here There's a lot happening around the NBA especially in your world and Luca misses out on that super max because he goes to a new team. Can't get 345. I think it's like 200 and something. Whatever the case that was decided by this Nico guy that Luca can no longer make that even though he put that entire city franchise and NBA on his back. If I'm Luca, it's a big fuck them all party happening and hopefully LeBron's able to get him tightened up.

Only a couple of minutes. Big deal though happening in Miami still. Yes. I assume. Names on the move, but Jimmy Butler not been one of them yet. What's the latest with Jimmy Butler in Miami? I feel like it's deja vu, DV. Like every single day we're talking about the same thing for the last two months. The Phoenix Suns are fully focused on trying to get a deal done for Jimmy Butler from everything I'm told. They are working on three, four, five team trade scenarios to figure out a pathway for Jimmy Butler. They wanna put Jimmy Butler on this team with Kevin Durant and Devin Booker

and trying to compete for a championship. That is what this trade deadline is gonna be about. Will there be a team out there in the marketplace that will want to take on Bradley Beal and his $110 million for the next two years. They have three first round picks that they're making available in the marketplace from my understanding.

So that's the team around the league that people understand is where Jimmy Butler wants to go. That's the place that he would commit long-term to is the Phoenix Suns, not the Warriors, no one else. And so we'll see between now and Thursday, will a deal get done with Jimmy Butler and the Phoenix Suns? Okay, so he turned down the Warriors allegedly. The Warriors have been very active. We have about a minute here. Are they gonna end up making any moves? Somebody just reported on the

internet, who knows what's real, what isn't at this point that they're maybe even looking in LeBron. This has been a story that's happened like four or five different times. Are the Warriors... The Warriors are legitimately calling about every all-star player you just made name the all star player. The Warriors have probably called it and Paul George, they probably called they have called it they made calls on every star and that of course includes players like Lebron players like Kevin Durant players like Jimmy Butler, they

are making calls. They they they are dead set on trying to find another star player superstar player with Stephen Curry. That is another subplot to the straight deadline as well. Okay. And last question, De'Aaron Fox, like you said, ends up with the San Antonio Spurs. That was very expected. Massive move.

Massive move. Because this is someone with Victor Womanyama, we've been talking, how do we get some talent with Victor Womanyama? And the Spurs are under pressure to get talent around Victor Wominama and it's not even pressure from Victor Wominama it's pressure just how they're putting it on themselves just based on how they see him playing and the greatness that he's displaying on a daily basis so All-Star Garden, De'Aaron Fox, we see the details right there going to San Antonio he's gonna be the duo the dynamic duo with Victor Romagnolo for years and years to come and

Zach Levine three first-round picks three second round picks going to Sacramento So Sacramento does get an All-Star out of this as well. You're great. We appreciate you NBA senior insider Show some damn respect Shamsurani Respect, Shamsharani! your favorite moments without the distractions. And that's not all. New Galaxy AI features, like NowBrief, will give you personalized insights based on your day schedule so that you're prepared no matter what. Pre-order the Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra now at Samsung.com. Yep. You know what this playground could use? A wine country. Heck yeah! And some waves! So we could go surfing. Oh, I love that! A redwood forest would be cool.

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Football! It is magical and obviously the biggest week of the year will kick off as we head down to Radio Row in New Orleans. Baseball! No. Hell yeah. That's 28 year WWE veteran and voice of the WWE, Michael Cole. Yeah, it's not baseball.

Baseball is reporting, I guess, pitchers and catchers. Yeah, it's way too early for that. Nobody cares. And let's go Mets. Maybe this baseball year is the best year of all time, but we will never speak of that again, especially on this particular week with all the NBA news that's happening. The NHL is certainly awesome. The WWE is on fire.

And six days from now down in New Orleans, we will crown a Super Bowl champion who will be at the top of Lombardi Mountain. Will it be the Kansas City Chiefs for the third straight year or will it be the Philadelphia Eagles who have been in the two of the last three Super Bowls congrats all teams and congrats to these players who are gonna put on the biggest and most watched event in the history of the world potentially I did see some people on Twitter say I'm still not watching the Super Bowl I'm still not watching because everything that happens But I am hearing a lot of ex players and a lot more pundits come out and say, hey, you know the script stuff and work stuff that they're doing, it's all because there's too many trash-ass refs in the league. Now, the refs have not been buried every single week of this season, but in a couple of the biggest moments of the season, the refs have

certainly made some questionable calls. So, will that change in the offseason? Roger Goodell's press conference, annual press conference is happening today at some point where he has to address everything. It's the first one and the only one where it's kind of open questions and he sits up there and answers it all. Will this be the year that changes things going forward for the officials?

Will this be the year where maybe officiating gets a little bit more help from technology? Will this be the year Roger Goodell addresses a potential bad call hurting the product on the field and hurting the popularity of the sport? We shall see. I doubt it. The Toxic Table is here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here looking very cool. Okay so we had Scheffner on about the Miles Garrett request. We shall see how that goes. Two years left on his contract. non-guaranteed, could be a business move,

which is certainly happening to pass, but this is defensive player of the year guy potentially on the move, have to talk about it. Had Shams on about the massive nuclear trade that took place on Saturday night, just shortly after midnight Eastern time. What did you learn from Shams in that conversation, D-Button? What did you learn from Schefter today, from his conversation?

Well, with Shams, the Warriors are calling every, they say basically every All-Star. You know I saw a report and they called about Kevin Durant so that's definitely true. I actually watched a little bit of a Warriors game a couple nights ago. I saw Steph Curry, you know he looked very very frustrated. Doesn't look like a team that can compete. He's still playing at a high level so interested to see whatever Shams... Steve Curry real bummed out to remember We need a name for our shops too when he drops this type of news

You drop a hundred million view tweet like you need a yeah What kind of took the bomb phrase? Yeah, Shams name much better. Yeah Shams bomb Shams Bomb is obviously much better, but words kind of had that for a while We all know how words potentially felt about Shams coming up in the business, you know But he has obviously a lot of friends in the business done a lot of great things for the NBA We thought Shams dropped maybe but that's not powerful enough slam Yeah, the Shams Shams slam, yeah, it's gonna be tough to get behind. It's not big enough. All of them are tough

Maybe it's just a Shams Drop Shams drop it dropping Shams. I don't know if we should maybe shut A Shams Tom bomb Maybe it is a Shams Tom bomb, but then once again, there's a bomb Yeah, you're right. So, you know, it is tough. He's still new in the game, even though he's a senior. New in the national sense. Biggest trade in NBA history.

Ever. For sure. 100 million viewed tweet in like three days. Absolutely insane. And then with Sheff, he doesn't seem convinced that Garrett is going to leave. It kind of sounded like to him coming out of that conversation at least that he thinks a deal will get worked out there in Cleveland, he'll probably become the newest, highest paid defensive man, which will be a lot of money.

That's 35 million, that's up there with the top wide receivers with that number to jump both. So that's what it kinda sounded like to me, at least with Shefty, but maybe that's just what he's hearing from Andrew Barry. Yeah, Shefty's sitting in the corner of a hotel room, probably one of those cuck chairs that the American Hotel rooms all have remember that one room. I was in that had the two oversized ones. Oh, yeah

I don't know if it's like a super-sized we only take 500 pound cucks in here But whatever it is, I mean that was an interesting that was where those seats were super-sized Oh, yeah, and they were sitting. I mean they were directly It makes you wonder what the hell is going on all these roofs, you know hotel designers understand What's their bread and butter? Yes, but you walk in one of those things. It's like, okay That is Is that an office chair? No, it looks like somebody's trying to get comfortable over And then you got the lotion literally sitting right next to it. Oh, yeah, what the hell's going on in this room?

Where's this hotel every one of them you've been in? Yeah, you've certainly been on you a man who's been a road war for 28 years out there But Schaeffer sitting in a corner of a hotel basically said that's cute out of miles That's very cute, but Andrew bears not gonna let it happen But you start looking at the numbers is like with how much they give to show Watson Right and how much money is available for their entire roster and what the future looks like there are they even gonna be able to satisfy Miles Garren enough whether it's contractually whether it's what they think the future is gonna be

because if he does want to win are the Browns ever gonna be able to for the next three years with a dead cap and the hit that they have with Sean Watson don't look like let alone all the other shit they gave up to get Sean Watson with picks and everything it's like I don't know now Sean Watson don't look like let alone all the other shit they gave up to get Sean Watson with picks and everything it's like I Don't know now Sean Watson might get back to form. Okay, Sean Watson might get back to playing great football Very doubtful. He tours Achilles twice in the last six months. So I don't know if that's even possible Certainly certainly not a bright spot on a football field or I'm not gonna get into it

That's happening too much in the NFL need to cut that off especially that particular profession that is very synonymous with professional sports and needed in This entire thing nonetheless miles Garrett He did sound like he's not a believer and anything other than maybe business getting done But can I even do that and can I still feel feel the team? Can they will they even be able to be anywhere near a winning football program if they pay miles and they have To pay to Sean what they already owed him probably not and you're sitting in the Ravens division They've already paid Lamar and they're still just adding pieces to that particular team and you assume the Pittsburgh Steelers are always gonna be a Winning franchise. So that's tough. The AFC North gonna be tough to kind of get over the hump in how much does miles make their life miserable?

Is basically what Schefter was Saying go ahead Con man. Yeah, I mean it really does depend on what he said Like if it is for like I want to go and chase the Super Bowl Then he wouldn't even take the highest paid deal because it would completely handicap their team even more so and they're not like Ingranted no one's a couple players away. Of course you need to build an entire team But they are so bad at football and they really haven't been that good. Obviously the coaching hasn't really changed. The fanskies there another year. They have another year here where it's going to be a new starting quarterback. Like if he does want a bunch of money and this is a business deal, the entire thing is going to be

even worse if they're pairing him more. Michael Cole, you're a Jets fan, so obviously you understand the feeling. Browns fans think like we go from bad to worse somehow. Yeah, and I was thinking about the Jets with this. So say the Browns decide that, okay, we're going to trade Garrett, right? And doesn't Miles have to reach an agreement with the new team before it happens? Still has two years left on his deal. Well, my point is- You would assume he would have to do it. Do you run into a sonoretic situation?

Yes. Like last year. So that's the other concern in this whole thing. I mean, Garrett may say that he wants to go to a Super Bowl contender, but I don't think he's leaving the Browns with two years left, no guaranteed money. I think he needs to work out a new deal with the new team.

New deal, trade compensation. I mean, there's a lot that goes into this if they were to get traded, but the Browns could get a haul in trying to rebuild a team that they've kind of already messed up You know a lot of people wonder why Andrew Barry's still there why Stefanski's there I think the ownership were the ones that forced the Deshaun Watson move. So I think they kind of feel bad I think the ownership's like I put I haven't even given you guys really a chance So I think Andrew Barry's in a position now

Does he start looking to the future to rebuild because the hall You can get from miles Garrett is certainly something but I assume ownership is like we're not getting rid of miles Garrett either So there's always you know, I don't say politics, but there is always shit happening Well, why does seen once someone says they want out? Why do you want them as a part of your organization anymore happens in the, and money has a funny way of kind of figuring out those types of situations and those issues. This is Defensive Player of the Year though. This is a whole different level of conversation.

I personally, if I was running a team, I would hopefully not be in a position that Brown's currently in. Never. Hopefully never. But if a guy doesn't want to be here, I am, get him the hell out of here. That is not somebody we want in our team. But Miles Garrett is a guy that's like, yeesh, if we can have him on our team,

we would certainly like to have him on our squad. But what I was asking you about, Brown's fans got to think like, we're dead. Jets fans always think we're dead. But don't forget, the commander's fans thought they were dead too, just one year ago. Now, new ownership, new coach, new quarterback had to do a whole cycle, but now all of a sudden they're up and in there.

Do you think there's a chance that's coming for the Jets, obviously with new head coach, new GM? Do you think there's a chance of that? So we've had the longest playoff drought in all the four major sports. It's been what, 2010? I don't even remember the last time we were in the playoffs. Forever. So the point is, yeah, Aaron Glenn, I last time we were in the forever so the point is

yeah Aaron Glenn I was concerned about him in the beginning because I thought it was a Robert Salah situation all over again defensive coordinator comes in first time head coach has to build the team around him but then I listened to his press conference and it was much different than anything I've ever heard out of any coach since Rex Ryan when he took over the team he was fired up it sounds like he's not gonna take any nonsense. He's not gonna take any BS. He's a former Jet player, so he's invested in this franchise.

I remember watching him. He was a stud. So, you know, I gotta give him the benefit of the doubt. The key is they have a lot of talent, like I said earlier. There is a lot of talent on this team. And I think if they bring Rogers back and Aaron wants to come back and they get good leadership because the coaching staff sucked last year. It stunk. I mean when they get rid of Salah, they brought in the other Brit guy. I mean he stunk.

So at the end of the day... He just became defense corner and died in the way. Yeah, Falcon. Oh, Falcon, sorry. So at the end of the day, if Rogers comes back, we have a lot of talent. Aaron Glenn's got to just try to change The culture in the club it is possible though commanders were able to do it now granted gonna have to get new leadership Which they have done Browns fans. I think they all just understand till it's the Sean deals done which is another two years Oh, yeah, please got cash it on this thing is just gonna suck so shout to the Mizz shout to people Cleveland

We'll be in your town tonight. Yep Can't wait to talk about it. Maybe miles comes through WWE Monday Night Raw speaking of Monday Night Raw Every city we go to every person in every building puts her hands up like this and then they say Every celebrity that comes through the WWE no matter their stature No matter how long they've been famous for no matter how many fans or followers they have all they Want to do is put their hands up like this and say? Yeah, this past week in a Lucas Oral Stadium. There are 70,000 plus with their hands just like this and then they would go Yeah to this man

Who punched his ticket to the main event of? who punched his ticket to the main event of WrestleMania by winning the men's Royal Rumble two days ago. Ladies and gentlemen, future Hall of Famer has a member of the Usos. What will his singles career look like? Well, vastly different now that he's won the Royal Rumble. Ladies and gentlemen, with a rocket ship on his back, Jay Usos!

Yeah! What up, man? What up man? What up, man? Thanks for the introduction, Uso. Yeah, no problem. You've earned it. You deserve it. I see you wearing that shirt, one of one, the Big Jim. Jimmy Uso presented to you alongside Jacob Fatu back in Guerrilla immediately after the Rumble. Let's talk about it. How emotional were you? Was it in the ring? Was it when you got to the back? When did it really all settle in that you're now going to the main event of WrestleMania? Man, it was a it hasn't hit me yet hard at all cuz right now feels like another day at the office You know what I'm saying? We did a Royal Rumble in the in Indianapolis Oh got on the road who's headed to Cleveland?

You know, I'm just trying to mark the shows off right now with my son back here somewhere in Indianapolis, got on the road, headed to Cleveland. I'm just trying to mark the shows off right now. With my son back here somewhere. Hello, baby, Chase. Yeah, yeah, say what up. Yeah. But we moving. It was emotional, though, when I seen my brothers waiting

on me in the back. I know there was a camera right there. I wanted to cry right there when I was hugging him, but I was like, not right now, cuz not right now. We still working. We still working, but it feels good, man. It feels good. It ain't hitting yet, though.

Well, it should feel very good. And I want to let you know, me and Cole almost cried whenever it happened. It came out of nowhere, obviously. Incredible performance by you. Knocking off John Cena. You did see him and you knocked his ass out of the ring at the end there. When you're sitting in the ring and you hear 70,000 people go crazy at excitement.

Do you understand that all the hard work is paying off? And do you understand that this is a moment you've dreamed of? You said it's another day at the office, but it's been a long road to get to this point. Have you thought back on it at all? And how do kind of feel and what do you do next now heading into? WrestleMania and yes, I'm still at the drawing board But I do appreciate all the love and all the text messages all the thank yous It was just a lot of love man. Oh

a lot of people behind me use when I did push John out the out the out the ring man my first my first I kept saying oh oh oh s-word oh s-word oh s-word you know I did it I did it I did it I did it and it didn't hit me until like this moment right here and now now John's in there with me and I'm like man with the book. Oh my bad. Oh, so I'm like we gotta go again Yeah, he's just giving respect right here. Oh, it's for sure obviously you've been around the business long long time the bloodline your family's been around the business a long time Royal Rumble winning it is Historically significant for any situation. What have you heard from the family?

What have you heard from dad maybe? What have you heard from everybody? And how have those messages been? Go ahead, go ahead, Cole. So Jay, before you answer that, I don't know if Pops told you, but as soon as the rumble was over, I was staying out at the airport

and I walked into the hotel and your dad was there. And he was in the back and they had a rumble watch party and you didn't your dad had no idea what was going on and he walked out and he had these tears in his eyes and gave me this massive hug that's Rikishi of course the hall of famer and Kish said to me he goes he had no words for it I mean he was so incredibly proud of you and as you know he has been one of your biggest Supporters to all of this and all the ups and downs in your career And it was just an incredible moment for me to see him and see that emotion out of him when you had just won that match Yeah, man, my dad called right when I was in the locker room

He called Jase actually and then Jase gave me the phone and I had him on FaceTime And I was you know, I was back there with John, seeing him punk, my brothers were there. So we did have a good talk, man. Well, I love my father. He looks immediately just like his son again, like rooting for me. It feels good.

I like to keep my, because my dad knows everything in the business, man. So I'm not gonna tell him everything. I wanna surprise him too. And he was, man. He was, he was very excited, man. A shout out to my dad, man. I want to surprise him to lose and he was man. He was he was very excited man I shout out to my dad man. I think I am though Like I saw a picture today like out of all my family use it's it's rock Roman

Yokozuna and now I get to be a part of that that group man. So there's four of us man So I'm ready to rock with it. It was man. I'm just I I'm just, this yeet train is just starting, bro. I'm going to WrestleMania, Uzz. I'm gonna take one of these titles off one of these fools, regardless of who it is, because it's all business now, man. That's what I'm about. And I just wanna show the world what I'm,

what's some difference. Stop playing with me, Uzz. Stop playing with me. Come on, man. We can, we can, all come on man, we can hold this for 10 minutes and they'll stay, they certainly will which is a big part of the story you know and I mentioned it during the introduction since I've been back every arena we've gone into and before I left every arena we are in and then internationally at France and all those other stops every single person is pumped whenever you come into the building there's a You know there's an aura that radiates around you every celebrity that gets involved with the WWE wants to come out and

Yeet with you and then there's some reaction on the internet of people being a little bit bummed out that you won the rumble Have you seen that how do you feel about that and how do you frame that in your mind that's their most yeah like that's their best show opinion those you know you don't strap my boots every week you're not on the road like I'm every week like you said earlier I saw earlier it was all the bumps handshakes all that sidestep that don't nobody see all the early flights rental cars, man I ain't pushing up it, you know, we ain't traveling it with security guards around me. I'm in the trenches like everybody else man. Oh, I Don't pay no mind to that loose if anything like I didn't need I don't need none of that loose

I'm gonna just focus right here whose tunnel vision you either hop on the train or get off the train But there's a lot of haters out there who's they talking because they can't walk it so I'm just excited bro. I'm all on the positive part I've never thought I would be at this level Pat, but now I'm here I'm here and I got places to go to eat And you've earned it to Jay And there's a lot of people in a WWE that knew you were gonna get to this point at some point in your career. I mean, I had the honor to call your very first match with your brother in WWE.

And you know me, I've been along for the ride for so many years with you. And I think, you know, when you broke out into your singles career and this whole thing, the whole story with the bloodline and Roman and you turning on Roman, that really changed something for you. and you truly became the Main event main event Jay was and I'm so proud of you. Hell. Yeah, Jay Hey appreciate I a cold man three times man. Yeah, man We need to get that bread so you could do the dance with me correctly But why everybody else I don't know because you I got a rhythm I guess but you know, you do not have rhythm at all

Let's make sure that is cool. I do thank Jay for one thing, but you know, you do not have rhythm at all. Let's say, let's just make sure that is clear. I do thank Jay for one thing. Even in the moment of you celebrating, winning the biggest match of your career, you still took the time afterward in the ring with Pat, me and Wade to yeet. And also teach me how to yeet properly. There you go.

Hey, I appreciate you doing that, Jay. Thank you. Thanks. It was you over the door jumping yeet. I don't even know what that is. Yeah. Hitting that doing that, Jay. Thank you. Thanks, Oos. You over the door jumping, Yeet. I don't even know what that is. Yeah. Hitting that thing sideways, Jay. I mean, it is a whole new game. The entrance has obviously taken over the world.

The Yeet movement has taken over the world. D-Bud has a question for you, Oos. Yeah, big Oos. Congratulations once again, man. It was dope seeing you in there and enjoying that with your son, especially, man. But where did the yeet? Originate like where did that come up was just part of how you were talking with somebody else And you just brought it to the stage and then transcend it even the business at this point. What did that originate?

man, they may have me my brother's Roman always always said it like it's a little Just it's just slang term like yeah like that It was with EE and and we from the West too So a bunch of my family say it's a West Coast slang, too Then it became yeet with the with like the little memes or whatever but that's how people originally think I got it from but we've been on it and then I had a press conference with Cody man. Shout out to Cody Rose, man He helped me he helped me put the yeet on cuz soon as he saw he said it like two times and then the next Week I had a shirt so I was like cool appreciate it

It was I'm about to rock with this and I just I just Then then this came with it now now the yeet came with this and I've never I didn't never put two together It just it just worked together, you know, you know and Pat no Pat No There's a certain point in the theme music world where the big you said a lot of TV It's like hold up Cole. You're doing it. So you gotta wait for the beat to drop Come on, wait, okay go And you know, it's fun watching arenas filled with people with rhythm and without it

Sure, you know kind of catch on but that is a moment of unity in every single city. I mean, it is. You got to be there. It is so cool. It is so cool to be a part of when you're watching a TV. I couldn't fathom, but being in the middle of it, it's I black out in the middle of it. I'm having so much fun. I couldn't even imagine how you feel. Connor has a question for you.

Yeah, Jay, one of the things you do on a weekly basis is kind of come out from, you know, the crowd, which has been really cool. You were with Travis Scott and he was burning some sage and you guys were walking down in the arena and those environments are insane. We were there on Saturday and when you came out the pop was insane and everyone was yeeting all over the place. But how are those kind of entrances different from the ones where you're coming from the stage?

Is there ever a time where you're walking down and you're worried, you know, maybe you might have to boot someone in the face because they get in your way or what's kind of the difference in that type of entrance? Man, so the craziest part with the concourse entrance, I got to go up, I have time to go up through the concourse. But when I'm sitting there waiting for my music to hit, they're counting me down. You got one minute, you got one minute. while I'm sitting there waiting for my music to hit they're counting me down. You got one minute, you got one minute so I'm sitting there waiting and what I mean that's the craziest part of that entrance is when I'm sitting in the concourse with the people. I'm talking about before I even walk out like sitting there waiting to go that is crazy man

and there was one moment where I was shooting the shot shooting the shot to come out to the concourse and the people weren't in the shot so I switched cameras around to make it look like it was busy behind me and and then in the shot and the shot just came out right you know I mean that producing too I'm like I don's walk this way and then turn this way because the people's here. But now when the man when that shot came out, that was my first shot I did. Now it's every time I want them. I want them. I want all the kids, bro. Give me all

the kids, man. You know, it's very fun, man. I got goose bumps thinking about it because I hope I get to do it tonight. Yeah, I hope so too. You know, and Cleveland needs it. Yes, they do. Cleveland needs to eat. Yeah, you hope so too. You know, and Cleveland needs it. Yes, they do. Cleveland needs the Yeet. Yeah. You know, Miles Garrett just requested a trade from the Cleveland Browns. Cleveland hasn't won anything in a long...

Yeah, they need you. Hey, they need you tonight, Jay. You know? I got them. I got them. I got you, Cleveland. I got you. Okay. Hey, put the company on the back and the city on the back tonight. Ty has a question for you, Jay. Jay, being in the crowd and Yeeting with 70 plus thousand strong was you know it's something I'll remember for a long time so congratulations Ous but I just curious like when you're in the ring for the rumble how do you not let the emotion of maybe like a previous rivalry

or bad blood you have with other guys get in the way and kind of sidetrack you from what the ultimate goal is we saw you know everything with Roman and Seth and Punk and it kind of Ended up biting those guys in the ass. How do you put that stuff away and just focus on the task at hand? Man my strategy was like if you pay attention to the royal robot. I was kind of low and in the corner man I was wrapped around the bottom rope like I had a comma like for half the time. I was in there And I was just look whoever came close Was me who close to me? That's the next person who I got to get Other than that man. Everybody was like in they feelings and stuff man I'm trying to they they they won a couple of Royal Rumbles and they won a couple championships man

So I knew what I needed to do to put myself in a position and then and then when it was go time it was go time That's when John Cena had to come see me cuz yeah, he did. Yeah, did John Cena look good. Hey, he looked good, didn't he? I mean, it's 48 Wow, hey, it's Jay. What about what uh, you were at the press conference the post show What about what John said and you've known John a long time like I have he was I've never heard John in the mood that he was in that night and he basically said, I've done everything for this company for 25 years. It's time to put myself first. I think the best thing for business is for me to main event WrestleMania,

for me to win my 17th title to set a record. And he said he's going to go to elimination chamber and win an elimination chamber in main event WrestleMania alongside you in Toronto four weeks March 1st You know and I think John believes that I mean, you know to me He's the greatest of all time and I know that you have some feelings for John as well So what did it feel like for you Jade actually eliminate that legend? Man he man Cole man he and man that raised me, man, raised me in the business. The old schedule was crazy, Cole, you know, like, like working five days out the week,

man, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, go home Wednesday, repack Thursday, back on Friday. So we start, we spent a lot of time with him and he, he just taught us the game, man. And then when he comes back and he sees where me and my brother are or how we're transcended now, man, all he does is just say how proud he is of us. He loves us, man. And my family loves John, too. John has been around my family for decades, man.

So it's like full circles when he came back in the ring and hugged me now I said what he told me man like I remember your first tour like he was he was shooting on me he's that turned me turned me around he's like look at these people man like when he starts pointing he's like look at him this all for you congratulations love you and he left let me have the ring there that's when I was like there was just 29 people up in here and that was just me. Jezz, you, Oos, day one-ish, we're all proud of you.

I think anybody associated with the WWE is incredibly proud of the work you've put in. You know, they talk about being over. And for those that aren't in the wrestling business, being over is like being liked, being respected, being appreciated by the fans. To say you're over would be an understatement and I can't wait to watch the people

show you some love tonight. You've earned it all brother, enjoy it. I'll see you in Cleveland. So we'll call here in a matter of moments. All right, man, I'm a, hey man, if I come through the concourse, man I'm hopping the barricade, I'm gonna come and dap y'all look now.

Come on man, give it to me. Come on Cole, let's unbearish our families tonight now our races oh you better get your you better get your pressure can you just can you just with Cole yeah ladies and gentlemen hey tell J tell Jace. Go ahead. I was about to say, no, cause that last handshake with Quavo you did, I was like, oh, we gotta teach him.

Quavo actually whispered to me and said it's the worst thing he's ever seen. Worst shit of all time, I believe is the case. In the middle of the place going crazy. Tell Jace we said what's up and congratulations yet again, man. You're going to WrestleMania. Love both. Thank you guys. Thank you guys. You too yet again, man. You're going to WrestleMania. Love both.

Thank you guys. Thank you guys. You too, ladies and gentlemen, Jay Uso. Yeah, Jay! It's just him, Uso. Think about what he said. The four members of the Anoa family who have won the Royal Rumble, Yokozuna, The Rock,

Roman Reigns, and now Jey Uso. Yeah. What company? Well, there's an interview where a Roman Reigns documentary, I believe it was his A&E documentary, where he talked about how if I'm the only one that benefits from this, it's all been a mistake, and how he's tried to put over everybody.

That's why it was the bloodline. That was like, hey, we're lifting this up. That family, their importance to the WWE and to my life, entertainment, massive. And now Jay Uso is earning his own trail to the top of the entire thing. Yeah, I saw that clip as well. And Jimmy Uso gets very emotional in it. And you can just tell how much it means to obviously them just being able to do it all

together. And that scene of thing, I didn't know that's what he said to Jay after that. That's really cool. Yeah, it is. Yeah, look around. This is all for you. I remember your first tour, those moments where the OG comes in

and I don't want to say puts over, but that is kind of what happens and like shows respect. There's always been moments in the past where the rock lifts up Roman's hand in front of everybody. I think the rock did it to Cena as well. I think Stone Cold, it's like, this is a big moment here. It's the passing of the torch. In the business, yeah, in the business as such.

Cena's had to do it for numerous people. Yeah, and that's the thing about John, and that's why to me he's the greatest of all time, because the sustained longevity of him in the business, and just coming back and doing this for people. I mean, John could have been selfish. I mean, he's one of the biggest stars on the planet. He could have walked in and said,

I want to win the Royal Rumble, right? Go to WrestleMania. He stars in the planet. He could have walked in and said I want to win the Royal Rumble, right? Go to WrestleMania. He didn't do that. He understood what was important to Jey Uso and what's important to company. Well he tried. He tried to win. He tried to win. He obviously. He did try like who? He did try like who. For dear life. The socks and shoes people were talking about seeing. Love them. Okay you thought this is best fit He's had I think so I think that's just a guy who's comfortable with his age comfortable with his look and look and he's all about he's trying to win

He's not trying to win the popular vote. Yeah, he is trying to win a popular vote though We're trying to sell we're trying to move these socks. Yeah, you know I mean you walk around that stadium the last time is now I mean you couldn't find one of those shirts Yeah, and it was coldts blue too which was beautiful yeah I gave a little love you know me and John have had some incredible conversations I appreciate respect a hell of John also because John is gonna be an Oscar winner mm-hmm like John in a promo said like I'm more likely to win an Oscar which we know is gonna happen then probably whatever blah blah blah and it's like John really good actor. Don't sell yourself for it. John does not have to

come back to the WWE like John has already cemented his legacy John is already a GOAT conversation Michael Cole calls him the GOAT and his movie career is only taking off it's only getting started with how great he is and he's willing to do anything yeah people call him humiliation rituals or whatever is what people say about John. John Cena's willing to do whatever and that is why John Cena, once again, is John Cena. Has never taken himself seriously, but takes his work seriously. It's like the perfect combination of a superstar.

Well, the other thing too is that John understands how important the WWE fans have been for him for his entire career. So he wants to give back. So what he's doing is he's doing this year long retirement tour. And the next stop is in Elimination Chamber in Toronto and then he goes on to WrestleMania and this is it for him. But he's going to visit some 30 something cities this year so the fans can see him for one more time. And I think it's pretty cool. Joining us now ladies and gentlemen as we pivot away from the WWE back to some

football conversation He's a college football national champion a Super Bowl champion a Ryder Cup winner ladies and gentlemen AJ Hawke Hawker I know you were eating over there in Ohio alongside all of us and congrats to J. Uso Let's talk about some football miles Garrett has requested a trade from the Cleveland Browns How do you feel about that you think this is a business move and did you hear Schefter basically say I don't know if the Browns are gonna let him go Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's partly business movie, but he definitely wants out of there I feel like the whole complacency thing I feel like in the in the his message right here that you have popped up that that tells you a lot

He feels like yeah, there's no future here in Cleveland to, there's no path to a Super Bowl, I guess, anytime soon, but I don't know, man. I don't know if they, how do you keep him around? Like, he's not gonna come into the facility. When does he come back? If you say, now, we're good, we're not trading. Well, he doesn't have to for a long time. You know, mandatory OTAs and mini camp aren't until what?

June or May or something like that. So there's a lot of time between now and then, but I think if you listen to anybody talk about this, to get a trade done there's going to have to be a lot of stuff that gets done. You know, the amount of things that are going to have to get figured out. And as Cole iterated to, you know, Hassan Reddick gets traded to the Jets, they just think it's going to be okay. They don't get a deal done with him. He never steps foot in the building. Miles Garrett's going to need a deal done, we assume, before he gets anywhere. The amount of compensation is gonna be great. You go back to the Khalil Mack deal whenever he was 27 years old to Chicago out of the Raiders.

It's like there's a lot of work that has to get done for a deal to come to place for Miles Garrett, but he certainly made a bird call for that. And then, you know, him saying he wants to win, not just go to Canton. Like, what is a contender? A contender in his eyes is basically how Schefter talked about it well are they gonna pay top dollar for Miles Garrett or is he gonna take a discount to go to some of these places there's just so many questions now that are out there inevitably the Browns control all of it AJ yeah but I want to know how much power Miles Garrett has does he have power in his contract where he can shut a trade down if he does not want to go

to a team he doesn't have any power like that. No, that's what Schefter brought up It's like this is the Browns basically have all the power here But miles would have to get a deal done any place he goes to so that's the control that he has like if somebody's willing To offer up three ones or two ones a second and a fourth for miles Garrett if they can't get a deal done They're not gonna pull the trigger You would hope even though the Jets been able to do it in the past unless they already talked to miles and miles says yes We get a deal done because miles could do what Jimmy Butler just did Jimmy Butler basically told the Warriors I'm not gonna do a long-term agreement with you. So they didn't pull their offer

They said they're not gonna trade with the Miami Heat So miles has all the say because of that but inevitably if the Browns don't want to move on, it's the Browns say and not Miles Garrett. Yeah, it happened with Brendan Iuke over the offseason with the New England Patriots where the Niners and the Patriots agreed to terms on a trade and then the Patriots and Brendan Iuke couldn't come to terms on a contract. So inevitably obviously it fell through and then Brendan Iuke still got paid in San Fran. Okay, so let's talk a little bit more about the football world specifically in Ohio, you know miles Garrett in Cleveland He says he's out chip Kelly heading over to the Raiders to be the offensive coordinator alongside Pete Carroll now

The Ohio State Buckeyes have lost both of their coordinators after winning a national championship when you win There's enough to go around doesn't mean it's gonna be here though could be somewhere else He's allegedly making six million a year. And then offensive line coach for Ohio State. Obviously very important piece of it all. Justin Fry, friend of the program. Guy who was talking shit to me on the field as they were running away with it against the Oregon Ducks.

He's set to become the Arizona Cardinals offensive line coach. So you guys are losing pieces over there in Columbus. Or is everything gonna be okay for the Buckeyes AJ? I know Ryan Day is on the media circuit still. Is Ryan Day, has he done another interview? I guess.

While all these coaches are leaving and can they not get a hold of him to negotiate new deals or was this expected for the Buckeyes AJ? I don't know if this was expected. I did see when Ryan Day was with Joel Klatt shortly after the news hit about Chip Kelly. He did say like, we talked with Chip. It sounds like Chip wanted to come win a national championship and then move on to the NFL. We have the clip. Yeah, okay. He did it year one.

We do have the clip from Joel Klatt's show. Just kind of breaking as we're recording this about Chip. So what did it mean for you, you know, to have him with you, to reach the mountain top? Cause you guys go way back and everyone has talked about it. We talked about it for a long time. He was your coach. You guys had known each other all the way back to when you were a youngster. What did it mean to you to do this with him?

That was great. It was great. We talked about it. The fact that we had a really good group here and the dream would be to win a national championship. And then he decides whether he wants to stay or have an opportunity to go to the NFL. And it's exactly what happened. And just to be able to have a beer in a few years and talk about the year that we had

together is gonna be special because we all started together. And this is why I started with him. And we went and did that and what a great story. and I know so many people back home in New Hampshire just excited for him and for the story it's pretty special. Love Joel Clatt obviously I think I hate Ryan Day guys not in every show but ours. Yeah. Even the Kelly Clarkson show. I think no offense Kelly Clarkson but what's that? What's that about? I don't know fuck them legitimately. Good luck the rest of the way it might be because of the fake Lou Holtz Good thing but nothing but a fan of the Ohio State Buckeye team

He did mention about how that was kind of the plan and obviously he and Chip know each other very well Ryan will be able to retool right? He'll be able to rekey through this all it will be within staff you think or you think you'll be bringing from outside in AJ Hawk I mean, that's what everybody is asking in Columbus. Like where do you yeah, do you promote from within who do you bring in? But also I mean chip got six million dollars to be a coordinator. Are you gonna pay a college coordinator? You're gonna say, okay, we'll give you six point one Like that's that that's what it is now in college football if you win You not only do you have to recruit your players you kind of have to retain your coaches now

It seems yeah, and obviously whatever you have as prolific as a run that you had especially offensively, you know that chip Kelly had with this Ohio State team They were just a buzzsaw to Tennessee to Oregon Texas Maybe not as much they didn't play their a game But then a national championship gets their name able to do it yet again on a third and 11 to play design the play set Up the execution all great top-notch on a third and 11, the play design, the play setup, the execution, all great, top notch. So Chip Kelly checked every box that he's ready once again to be an offensive coordinator in the NFL

and run his offense in the NFL. I like Chip, I think he's gonna have success. And how much happier do you think this time around the NFL is gonna be without having to be a head coach, just like he was in Columbus? He probably loved his life, only have to deal with one side of the ball. So much better, and when Will Howard was on he spoke very very highly of him and how much just he taught him the game and how much he saw the game so it would be interesting if they pair up again on the next level but uh wasn't Brian Hartline the co-offensive coordinator last year? Is he still on staff, right? Yeah, and his pictures being tweeted by Jeremiah Smith and others whenever they're asking if he's gonna get poached

If the players gonna go anywhere else for like now we're here for the heartline party brothers So that'd be an easy hire from within that is beloved everywhere I would expect just to be the sole OC and in the party nice nice bump and pay if I had to soon but Defensively, I mean you lose Jim knows that's obviously a big gap to fit I know the general still hanging around drawing up blitzes, but that'd be a big job to feel you know a Penn State, too I thought Dan Connor was potentially doing a lot more with that Penn State defense towards the end of the year as they move Tom Allen up into the booth and then whenever nose comes in I don't know if Dan Connor sticking around or not, but there'll be names

Yeah, they will be able to get and with all the weapons you're gonna have with an Ohio State roster I assume there's people eager to get there. The only thing about heartline is I don't know if he's ever called plays before Chip Kelly has okay. So like that is a massive thing It's not just like a plug-and-play position where you're like, you know what this guy good recruiter good position coach Seemly has it figured out. Will he be able to call plays? We assume heartline will I'm just saying It's not as easy just to say this guy's gonna be a good play caller because you have no idea until it happens. And there might be a little bit of, you don't want to say regression, but like Will Howard had played a shitload of football.

Like whoever's going to start at quarterback for them next year, you know, if it's Julian Sayen, you know, who's a five star prospect or whoever it might be, like it's going to be their first time playing meaningful football. And we know how Ohio State fans can get. So if things don't look unbelievable right away, like there's a chance that, you know, you're dealing with all that outside noise. So we'll see.

Happened to Michigan last year. I believe Michigan had, they obviously lose Jim Harbaugh. They lose our defensive coordinator. They lost 18 players to the draft. You guys don't lose as many players to the draft, but you're losing coordinators, you're losing position coaches. Whenever you're the champs and all eyes are on you,

there's gonna be people that are wondering if they can get their hands on some of that. This is certainly the case for the Ohio State Buckeyes. Now, let's head over to Hammer. Dot. Dot. AP Tone put out a tweet on Sunday that was so perfect. So, right in my feelings,

and I think a lot of people's are, you try to put on a strong face and you tell yourself you're going to be okay. Then that first Sunday with no football hits like a sledgehammer to the chest. And you realize you're not as strong as you thought you were. Check on your brothers today. Send some texts say, Hey, we got the pro bowl games today, but we don't even have two games like we had on championship Sunday. Hmm. We don't have anything Yesterday we had the Royal Rumble. Thank God, but if this was an entire weekend of no action Boy, it'd be tough. We're staring that down in a few weeks But not this week the biggest game of the season is this Sunday AP tone

What are some trends or betting things we should be looking into? Yeah, it was it was a tough day brother and I'm glad everybody checked in, and I appreciate everyone for doing that. Stay strong out there, everybody. There is. It is Super Bowl week, and there is a ton. An absolute ton of betting trends. So, you know what, I decided, let's start with the big ones, the easy ones, before we get into the nitty-gritty all week long And we will start the Kansas City Chiefs are favored by one and a half the total is 48 and a half and 69 Percent of the bets are on the Eagles at plus one and a half now Is that just because everybody wants to see the Eagles win most likely do they hate the Chiefs? Yes, but you know

Everyone's always against the Chiefs But look at that right there seven and oh against the spread in the playoffs when the spread is less than three which it is Why don't we all just bet on the Chiefs, but look at that right there 7 and 0 against the spread in the playoffs When the spread is less than 3 which it is why don't we all just bet on the Chiefs? Wait, maybe won't we won't hate the Chiefs as much as we just bet on them and win all the time That's something to think about Well in years past you bet on them and they never cover bingo that was I kind of the mover now though If he's less than 3 they cover, you You know why cuz close games the Chiefs win that's kind of the Ramo But these stats seemingly all contradicting each other

They are the Chiefs were in that one and then we have the Eagles who have led At halftime in 13 of their last 15 games and we look back to the last Super Bowl when they were up by 10 Against Kansas City in Super Bowl two years ago the Chief or the Eagles are great first half team So is that something you want to look at here? I'll wind into it, if you take the Eagles plus the one and a half in the first half and then you take the Chiefs money line, that's plus 400 Pat. So if you think, you know, maybe the game script goes, Eagles first half, Chiefs full game, plus 400 is not bad right there.

Talking about, you know, back and forth, the Chiefs always win. The Eagles here. What's it mean? Dogs have covered 13 of the 17 last Super Bowls. That is for the Eagles. Another one for the Eagles. Favorites or the team with the better record in the regular season is 2-19-1 against the spread. That is the Chiefs. I don't know what that means. I don't know why that happens, but that's just the case there. The white jersey wearing team has won 16 of the past 20 Super Bowls. Kansas City is the away team in the Super Bowl because they rotate AFC, NFC home away. So that would go for the Chiefs. And then lastly, as far as the total, four of the last five Super Bowls have been

lower scoring affairs than what the people thought they would be. But that Chiefs Eagles Super Bowl is the second highest scoring Super Bowl of all time. So will it be a repeat? Okay. Thank you, Tone. All these numbers go different directions. You can find whatever Stat to make you feel better about how you feel if you want to go searching for it Yeah, I mean that is just the fact of the matter whenever it comes to it. One and a half point spread. They think it's going to be a close game. Chiefs never lose close games. No they don't. That is just kind of their MO. Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, Travis Kelsey, Chris Jones, Spags, Coach Toeb and the boys at Kansas City always win. But will this year be different? Because the bully of the Eagles might be able to change the

course of history. AJ, did you learn anything from those trends right there pal? Yeah a little bit. I mean I I know we'll make a pick eventually but man it's tough not to lean Chiefs early I think in this one. Okay so AJ might be giving a little something away there on Monday. We'll obviously get down to Radio Row starting on Wednesday. TD Direct Investing offers live support. So whether you're a newbie or a seasoned pro, you can make your investing steps count. And if you're like me and think a TFSA stands for Total Fund Savings Adventure, maybe reach out to TD Direct Investing.

Now ladies and gentlemen, it is time to introduce a man who changed businesses, not just one industry, multiple industries and multiple businesses on many of occasions. He is a guy who is great at everything. He seemingly does his aura radiates through every building. He is in just a few weeks ago he walked into a building that wasn't necessarily on his side and he stared right through him and said let me tell you something brother let me chit chat about what is special he's the co-founder of Real American Beer. Joined by the mouth of the South, ladies and gentlemen,

Hulk Hogan! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, baby. All right. Watch yourself boys! There it is. Good swing. Good putt. Holster, it's an honor. How you doing Holster?

Guitar? How are you? Jimmy, watch. Hell yeah, Jimmy. It went like this. Riddle B is, riddle B at. Everybody wondering who's going to win the Super Bowl, it's going to be the champ. The one, the team that drinks the most real American beer is going to win the Super Bowl. Okay, okay, alright, okay. If that's the indicator, I think early favorites, Philadelphia Eagles.

Philadelphia Eagles. I think you're right, baby. Okay, the Maldives South Side, everybody's boozing over there in Philadelphia. You can sit down right there if you want to, Hulkster. We got some real American beer in the building already. Did you really? Yeah, the boys have some. Is it cold?

That guy right over there at the talk table, Ty Schmidt, he'll actually drink four to five of them in the middle of the afternoon. So he loves everything about him. I love him. Strong, brother. Yeah, gotta do it. How'd you get into the beer business, brother? That's a long story.

Short story. Everybody talks about him. You know Jimmy Hart? I've been with him 45 years. He's never had one drink, never done one drug in 45 years. Just vitamins, huh? Watch out for the job. Watch out, Jimmy. Hit it with the steel chair. Okay, all right, sweet Jimmy, we appreciate that. Yeah, because vitamins, you know, take your vitamins, do the entire thing was the conversation. Yeah, I know. But hey, listen. I know, brother. Yeah, but as you get older, brother,

you gotta have a nice cold beer every once in a while. Especially when you're down there. Old school, you have a couple cold beers before you go to the ring, brother. Yeah, old school. Hogan's Hangout, we're definitely gonna have a couple cold beers. I mean, that's what you gotta do.

No, this whole thing was kinda like, just happened by chance, because I got my partner Chad in the back. This is our company, it's not a celebrity endorsed company, or a percentage deal my partner Chad in the back. This is our company. It's not a celebrity endorsed company or percentage deal. We actually own the company and we were at a convention and I wasn't with the WWE for this appearance because I still have the deal with them, of course, but I wasn't with the WWE this appearance as they were Chad and

we were doing other business and as the people come through the line, I like to shake hands hands look people in the eye Because everybody has like a Hulk Hogan story Like I always say if you're 90 years old you're watching me when you were 50, you know And so it goes all the way back to the young kids still know what's going on with me So as I'm reading name tags and saying hello to people and listen to their stories Oh, I grew up watching you are bonded with my father with you with you, or when my dad died, you became the father figure. And the stories are crazy.

You know, and they're really cool stories from the fans. And I read this one guy's name tag, and it said, Vice President of Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer. I went, oh my God, that's the beer my dad drank. Because my dad was a construction worker in Florida, and the son basically beat him to death. He was out in the sun 12, 14 hours a day, and by the time he was 60 years old,

he looked like he was 90. He'd always pour the Pabst Blue Ribbon beer in like a glass and then put salt in it, you know? Oh yeah. And so when I saw the beer, oh man, my dad drank that beer, just lit me up, so the guy said, well, have you ever thought about getting in that beer space?

I went, yeah. You know, my whole career, 40 years, it was training, prayers, and vitamins, the mantra, the character. Hulk Hogan made Terry the man, the better man, as the years went by. And, you know, the Make-A-Wish kids and everything. I said, but, since I'm not wrestling anymore,

you know, I'm looking for that Wild Wild West deal all the time, once every 10 years, like a George Foreman grill or something. Which came and went. I know, please don't bring that up. You did, you did. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, brother.

I'll tell you a story about that in a minute. But anyway, make a long story short, he goes, well, would you think about doing something with beer, it's very competitive. I said, yeah, you know, I see this crazy open lane. Because Bud Light really came up with a horrible marketing plan and they apparently didn't understand their audience like I thought they did. And so I see this open lane for America's beer working backwards.

You know, I'm thinking mom, apple pie, baseball, wrestling, NASCAR. There's this crazy open lane because of all the other beers that are so competitive America doesn't have their own beer like America's team like America's beer and that would be a light beer and I'm on my feet Pivoting you know cuz like when I do promos and wrestling I don't need a script or anything I'd be open to show and the writers would hand me this these pages You know like 20 pages and they were hot and I look at Vince and I go really you go I don't worry about so I just throw the pages up and go out there, but so I'm on pivoting man I'm on my feet. I'm you know dancing smoking mirrors trying to figure out how to Put a period on the end of the slot, you know, I'm going you know

My neighbors don't even talk the Republicans the Democrats don't talk But I said when I used to wrestle, you know, I was traveling 300 days a year because there was no rock No stone cold was just me for the first 25 years and I had to be everywhere, double shots Wednesday, Friday, Saturday So I'd wrestle like 420 times a year. Geez. That's why I'm so beat up. Thanks for your service. Oh, hey. The business. Yeah. Legitimate thanks for your service to the business, beat the shit out of your body. So I said when I used to wrestle, you know all the guys that I wrestled were huge, you know earthquake, Andre, tugboat, one-man gang, there were always all Jimmy's guys that had wrestled were huge, you know earthquake Andre tugboat one-man gang there was all Jimmy's guys ahead to wrestle. Yeah, Jimmy You know working against you there. They're all you know 350 425 pounds King Kong Bundy says hey brother. Come here

You know, let's talk. I don't never would talk about the match I just want one to know who is gonna win or lose. Yeah, we're calling out there, but always call it out there Yeah, listen the crowd. it's an art form. So I said, brother, let's sit down. Let's have a beer, because I figured if I could get them to loosen up, they wouldn't beat on me so hard. So I told this guy, the Democrats don't talk, the neighbors don't talk, back to my story.

I even would have a beer with the wrestlers, so my idea is bring America back together one beer at a time. And when I said it, I went, holy smokes. There it is. Brilliant, and the guy's eyes eyes went, whoa I love that. So we were approached to that convention because I was at a convention in Atlanta

by several other beer companies and I told Chad, I said, bro, this is too hot right now because of the way America's percolating right now. Everybody wants the country back and this name, Real American Beer is a home run. It's like pointing to the center field. And then now, you know, I ran my mouth, because you know, I was friends with Trump for 40 years.

And I was one of those cowards that I wouldn't wear a Trump hat or I wouldn't put a bumper sticker on my car. I'd vote for him, but I'd go hide. And then when they tried to kill him, it just pissed me off. Because this is a good guy, bro. I've known him for a long time. He's a good human him, it just pissed me off. Because this is a good guy, bro. I've known him for a long time. He's a good human being. It just pissed me off. And I told my new wife, I said, this might be a deal breaker, but I got to speak up.

And then when I went to the Republican Convention and did my thing, they had like, I'll talk forever. And I did my thing. They had all these- They had a heart out in 33 seconds. I got you. They had all these writers that they wanted me to talk for four minutes. I had a suit on. I was nervous. And I was trying to do it.

They had a podium in front of me, two in the back. And they said, well, Hulk, you know, I was sweating, nervous. They said, maybe just do two minutes. So I went out there, never said a word that was on the teleprompter. Talked for 9 and 1 half minutes. And they told my buddy Vo in the back, at six minutes, you know, we may have to pull him off stage. All right, we'll continue this

Shopping with Hulk Hogan on YouTube. Yes, we plus Disney Plus. We'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye I was still digital. We're still online. We just went off ESPN linear They got a chance to see the whole sure I can just short the story. No, no, don't worry about When you go when you go and do that when you go and do the Republican convention, you know immediately you're gonna piss off what? 47% of the country, especially with how political hatred is currently in the world. Do you think that? And first of all, whenever you say a beer bringing the world together We talk about a lot how teams come together a lot more around a keg than you do kale

You know this modern world that we're in We talk about a lot how teams come together a lot more around a keg than they do kale. You know this modern world that we're in. Everybody's worried about drinking because they want their bodies to recover. You have a couple beers with some people though you can really learn about each other. You can kind of take the walls down, the guard down and then really start chit-chatting. I love that that was kind of the initiative behind getting behind a beer is to bring the world together. Then as a friend of Trump you go speak for Trump then you piss off

About half of the country. Are you still in the middle of feeling that like at the end to a dome? I don't think any of us expected no Oh, I did you expected that because of the political stuff or because of everything else you gotta realize last time I ran hard in LA. I was a bad guy. I was Hollywood Hogan man I was riding dirty with the boys, you know Nash and Hall and we're spray- paint people and crotch shotting everybody and started out with the two sweet stuff. So last time I was there, I was a heel. But I think the politics had a whole lot to do it.

Like you said. I would say, yeah, I would assume you get the politics and also some other stuff, you know. Yeah, of course. But at the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, when you're in the public eye for 40 years. Yeah, you do slip and fall a couple of times. Yeah, and they're gonna see it. Everybody's gonna see it. But anyway, at the end yeah yeah yeah when you're when you're in a public eye for 40 years you do slip and fall a couple times yeah and they're gonna see it anyway at the

end of the day we kind of looked at the next day because you know I had like 11 billion impressions you know and some of the other guys some of the big stars that were on that car then I'd only have like three billion I'm gonna name names but you know so you were like you were like- Oh yeah I was like, ooh, I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go.

I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go.

I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to a good guy in LA. Yes. Now if this was for wrestling and they turned on me like that, I'd have turned into

Hollywood Hulk. I said, oh hell yeah. So you hate me for everything I've done for all the Make-A-Wish kids and everything I did for your kids. Well guess what? I did it for the money. And by the way, since you want so much hatred coming your way, I hope you have a good time when Kamala Harris, you know, is your new governor and you're all standing in the soup line, mic drop, see ya. Geez Louise! But I couldn't do that. Yeah.

But I was ready. I was ready to go after him. Well I thought it was very professional of you to remain positive because I was listening to it and you're much more mentally tough than I am. But you've been obviously 40 years in the wrestling business. This is kind of your gig. You understand people are going to boo. You understand people are going to cheer.

You understand the heartbeat of people, which is why you call it an art form, you wanna do what they're telling you to do. Living in a spotlight for 40 years, a lot of things happen. With that being said, we have a lot of questions about a lot of it, and this guy loves real American beer. I do, I'd actually, I'd suck down a nice cold one right now, but just curious, being a big fan,

when was the time where you realized you I assume it wasn't overnight But where it's like oh shit I can't go anywhere anymore without everyone noticing me because like you said you kind of you were the company for the longest time What was that point in time where it was like? Shit, I just am Hulk Hogan now everywhere. I go no matter what I do well Honestly, it's like before I was in the WWF, the World Wide Wrestling Federation before it became the WWF. So I was there working for Vince Senior and when I came in I was a bad guy. I was green as hell, my punches, kicks, everything

looked horrible. But I sold out Shea Stadium with Andre, had a bunch of matches with with Baclenn. I was a bad guy and I've told everybody this they fired me When I did the Rocky movie so I split and I had a single at the time I had a beautiful girl in Japan Which I love hanging out with and I was up in then Minnesota working for ver and Ganya The best place in the world if you're a wrestler when they were territories everywhere they paid paid really well We only had to work four days a week. So bang those other three days I was in Japan

and we got this huge team together and we were gonna push towards the East Coast. That was our whole goal. And at the time I got a card from a photographer at the Rosemont Horizon, said call Vince. I said, I'm not calling Vince, man, he fired me. He goes, no, Vince Jr. So I called Vince Jr.

And when I went there, I'd already had that Hulkamania thing started in Minnesota. And when I went back and they didn't play music, they didn't have merchandise, and I was doing the music thing in Minnesota, selling merchandise. When I went back, they weren't doing any of it.

So the night I went to the garden, they played Eye of the Tiger. The roof blew off the place and broke. From that day forward, it was like riding a lightning bolt. That whole Hulkam and anything took off. It was crazy. Yeah. And it was like everywhere I went, I couldn't go, hey, I'm Terry.

I have you. Hey, what's up, brother? You had to give him just a little sauce. The amount of brother, how many brothers you drop nowadays? Brother, brother. The problem is I can't remember anybody's name. Brother. You know, it's my age and I've been hitting the head so darn much. That's one of the things.

So I went back to the the WWE in like 2002 or six Jimmy what was it they said chair shut you had to put your hand up said well I'm gonna put my hand up is it all because you know the concussion thing because I never put my hand up No eating it. Yeah, you just lean into a bro and take the shot whoa How many have you done the math on how many matches? You said four days I'm doing Minnesota, then the other three I'm doing Japan. Japan's like a 16 hour flight? Well it depends on where you leave from.

If you leave from JFK, it's about 14 straight through. And if you go to drink with a giant all the way there, it's like a year. Because I used to, the 747, I'd go hide upstairs, and Andre'd go, hey boss! My seat was right next to Rusenhoff, which was Andre's name, last name. And I'd get there early and run upstairs and hide from him. Hey boss, come down, I put your seat next to me!

I'm like, oh god, he's going to kill me. So I'd just have to drink with him all the way there. It depends on where you leave from, you know? Yeah, but you said 400 and some matches in one year, 360. Well, at the height, at the height of it, you know, because I was doing two on Friday, two on Saturday. Like I'd hit, like a Saturday, I'd hit Philadelphia Spectrum at one o'clock.

And as Gretzky and the boys were coming in, I'd be leaving. Then I'd hit Madison Square Garden that night. Then the next day, I'd hit the Boston Garden at one o'clock. Then I'd hit the LA Forum that night, you know? So I'd hit the Boston Garden at one o'clock, then I'd hit the LA Forum that night. So I could do like four matches in two days easy. And then when we did TV, we shoot TV in Allentown, right? Jimmy, we'd shoot like three, four hours of TV. I'd wrestle probably 10, 11 times shooting the TVs.

But then Vince scaled it way back and made me special. But he had to get me over first Yeah so have you thought about the number of bumps, you know cuz the leg drop and Obviously you have a lot of detractors from the business because you were the guy top guys So a lot of people wanted that spot But a lot of people have talked about the way you worked in the ring was the reason why you worked in the ring the way You did potentially because of how many matches you had and that leg drop. What is that? That's spine hips everything, right?

Well, the whole thing is when I see people like Brian Daniels, you know or Kevin Owens or Chris Jericho said brother keep the boots on the ground This is all about well for me the psychology was there were none of these guaranteed contracts So if you got hurt and broke your arm or broke your ankle, you didn't get paid. So my whole thing was, I went 25 years without getting hurt. Actually, I did blow my knee out.

If you ever watch that match with the Iron Sheik, I jumped up to drop the knee on his leg and one of the boards was off in the ring and it blew my left knee out. So I go hobbling back to the room after I won the title from the Sheik going, my God, my knee's gone. And I told my wife, Linda, at the time, I said, I don't think I can make it.

So I kept that knee wrap for like 15 years, never had it cut on. But the reason I worked the way I did was I could work with anybody. I could work with a big guy, I could work with Piper, I could work with a wrestler. I had like, it was so easy to do cuz a character was over. If I get in the ring with somebody if I could just Look at him, you know or just look at you And I could hear the rumble. I would know how hard I had to work that night

Just as soon as I got in the ring if it was dead I'm going okay I'm have to grind for buying and sell and beat my ass for about Seven or eight minutes before I start begging the crowd to help me and once I start coming up here we go You know But you know it was the character was so over. it was it made it so I didn't have to you know do anything too crazy I know I know you're Hulk Hogan okay and I know you've been a superstar like six different times do you get pissed whenever you

hear people run their mouth about what you did or how you did what you did no brother you know it's all good like You have to be young guys are great athletes. Okay, they're all great. The business has changed so much they do So much stuff in one match. I mean I wouldn't do that much stuff in a year I see some of the stuff these guys do but the end of the day the wrestlers, you know The size has changed all the guys. I was a a 310 pound guy I was a medium-sized guy you know and now the wrestlers are smaller they do more moves they do all kind of stuff I get nothing but respect for these guys you know they're so dedicated but at the end of the day you know they don't realize what

happened and how this got to be to where 180 pound or 200 220 pound guy could be a main event guy. There was a lot of changes, you know, over the years. And a lot of that happened because we admitted it was sports entertainment. And some of the stuff they don't realize is, you know, flying into Kansas City, never supposed to cross that imaginary line, the Kansas City territory. Harley Race pulling a gun at me saying, I'm going to blow your brains out. I've been the champ here, the NWA champ for 18 years

Here, you know stuff happened along the way that a lot of guys don't know about you know Yeah, and that's why I think there is a very from a lot of guys a gratitude for the OGs for laying the groundwork for where We are today. Thank you for the road warrior and also staring down. I guess Harley races pistol staring down, I guess, Harley Race's pistol. To make this whole thing happen. Harley Race is a great guy. He just really just wanted a job. He wanted respect too, I think. No, he did, and we, brother, he was a tough son of a gun.

We gave him respect. But you, you and Vince, there's obviously a lot of documentaries, a lot of history. I've seen it all about how the growth of the company and from territories to taking it over to a national to cable to everything. It's unbelievable. How do you feel about the current state?

70,000 plus for Royal Rumble at Lucas O Stadium. Netflix deal worth $5 billion being streamed around the world. How do you feel about current? Are you jaded at all or are you proud of the business? Oh, no, I'm so proud of these guys. It's like, I mean, you got guys like Seth Rollins, you got like CM Punk, you got like Roman Reigns,

you got Cody Rhodes, Kevin Hose, I can go down the list. All these guys are stars and they carry their weight, I mean, and they don't come up short. I just pray to God they don't get hurt. Yeah. You know, because the storylines are so intense, the Usos and just the whole, these guys have all stepped up because they work so hard. They work harder than I did. I mean these guys are working their butts off and I got nothing but respect and the product is insane. I never dreamed it would get to this level.

Yeah. You know, I was walking out the other day in LA and I was standing on the ramp and Stephanie McMahon was there, you know, and I said, oh my gosh, man, things are so cool and it's just amazing how big it's got. Well, she goes Well, you know, I'm not involved anymore. I said BS. You're the one that tells him what

I was just teasing whether she goes up, but you're the one that built this thing you started out Oh, thank you for saying that but me and her dad were in the trenches trying to get this thing going There's a lot of people that feel that way though. It's not just a few, you know, obviously There's a lot of fans that have experienced a lot of things with you over the years. Yeah, you know because like I mentioned earlier 40 years in a spotlight There's a lot of shit. Yeah You regret a lot you regret a lot of the shit. Yeah. Yeah Well, you got to ride the highs and survive the lows The first thing I regret is being so stupid in the ring at the time I mean, I'm 72 years old now, but at the time my arms are legitimately 23 24 inches

So if you've got 24 inch arms, why are you doing the leg drop? Oh, so you're pissing me And ruin your spine. Why don't you do the sleeper? Yeah, no bump you take the guy down all the way up You can poke you and I run you into the buckle back into the buckle throw you on the top rope There's a million outs, you know? But why the leg drop? Stupid. I'm smart. Yeah, yeah, you're a professional wrestler, man. Iconic. Yeah, the leg drop is iconic and I want to let you know whenever I had a match with The Miz at WrestleMania, a couple years back, I potentially wanted to end it with a leg drop. I was like, how about just a leg drop at the end of this thing?

And you know. What am I gonna say something now? It wasn't a good strategy. I had to punt him in the head, obviously, he wouldn't have been down there. Oh God. What you did for the business, phenomenal. But I gotta say something, because you brought it in.

I didn't mention the Miz's name. What a pro this guy is. Dude. Good God. Healthy too. You talk about a professional bro, and I've been watching been watching this kid, he's not a kid, this man, excuse me, Mike. This guy doesn't miss a beat bro, he's spot on. Did a Spanish fly the other night, 20 years into this thing.

Gee. You know, put over Andrade I believe. He just. Oh my God. A thousand plus losses I think, what's the number? Something like that. Actually I was at the bar the other night with his dad was it Cleveland Jimmy Yeah, Mrs. Mrs. Dad was there with us at the bar. Yeah, you were there yesterday sitting with the second row

I believe at the basketball game Cavs beat the hell. Oh my god, Donovan. How smooth is he bro? Smooth? I'm sitting there behind the announcer's table. They're walking by going. Hey, what's up? I like to rip their shirt off the way you going, where are you going partying at later? I'm like, you know, the coach is right there. I'm like. No, no, no. They want to drink a couple real American beers. I know, but the last time I got involved

in this basketball thing, I had Phil Jackson call me, because I had Rodman down on Florida partying with me. He wouldn't go back to practice for the finals. Oh yeah. So I got Phil Jackson call me. Where is he at? I said, I don't know. He won't go back. That was documented in the last dance. He didn't show up. Oh yeah. So I got Phil Jackson calling me up, where is he at? I said, I don't know, he won't go back.

That was documented in the last dance. He didn't show up. You've been a big basketball fan? I see you with the Kevin Durant. Yes sir, bro. So you've always been a big time basketball fan? Not all the time, but yeah, if somebody special comes along, I get hooked.

Oh, so Donovan Mitchell's one of those guys? Yeah, I'm one of the old school guys, man, you know, back in the day. Jordan's my guy, you know, like I said, Donovan's smooth, he's got the Jordan, but he's got some more to go to be where Michaels at you know I got I got a chance to watch him up close last night smooth as butter yeah having fun what size those shoes 17 17 well sure no want me to know? We know When it came to like healing and being a baby face, did you love it? Like we asked Stephanie last week kind of about her heel run and she said she loved being the heel

Did you like that side of it? Did you like both of them? Did you prefer being a babyface? What were your feelings? It was the first ride was just so shocking. It's like if you were to turn the corner and walk in the men's restroom, all of a sudden there would be three aliens from Mars. My first ride when I took off of that red and yellow, I didn't know why the kids were coming to me. I wasn't ready for it. And then all of a sudden I got used to it. And now at this point in my life, thank God it's still happening.

I didn't understand the role model thing and how much the character meant and people being buried with my Hulk Hogan shirts on and a picture of me on the guy's grave. I mean, it's just amazing how much these people Freak out a little bit right? A lot of pressure brother to be perfect. It is but it also makes me realize you know some a lot of my friends But you keep forgetting your Hulk Hogan, you know and Triple H's told me that don't forget your Hulk Hogan

It like straightens me up, you know and and because it's just a situation that it was such a good run And you know, then there are some people, you know, that's it's just a situation that it was such a good run. And you know, then there were some people, you know, that thought my run was over. You know, I had a disagreement with Vince on that. I didn't think the run was over. And so, you know, I wanted to be a bad guy after the ultimate warrior thing, you know, because after he won the belt from me, I wanted to go down the aisle and do the three stooges turn.

Slowly I turned to go back and crucifying, know and turn into Triple H Hollywood Hulk Hogan that would have been a good turn but Vince didn't want me to do it so we kept working and working and working I could tell the thrill was gone the honeymoon was over but then when I turned to a bad guy it was almost like it was so cool to turn into the snidely whiplash evil character where I'd grind and beat people and then when they'd come at me, oh please don't hurt me, I crossed my fingers, you know, sorry. You know, I mean it was just so fun to do it.

And then the lines got blurry. They started cheering me, you know. And it's like when I went out with The Rock, you know, I'm going down the ramp and they're cheering me and The Rock starts punching me in the ring and I started booing him, you know, I was like, oh my god, we got to get this flipped around here So it got it got a little tough to navigate, you know But since I call stuff in the ring, it's easy to just need a couple minutes to get us back to center You know bracket all the BS and then go back to center and WL still the biggest thing you've been a part of

I think you said that whenever you did the The return at SummerSlam or WrestleMania. I believe you talked about Hogan's Hangout, how the NWO merch is. It's still selling, bro. But the thing is, the red and yellow stuff's still selling. I've got two retail stores. I got one in Clearwater Beach. I got one in Orlando. I can't keep the stuff in stock.

I mean, it's selling like crazy. When's karaoke night? Monday night, I'm missing it. What? No. What do you singing? I am a real man. How about tequila?

Well there's one word, tequila in the whole song. Tequila! Tequila! Not a bad one. No, but it's been great man, and the wrestling business has been so good to me. It's crazy, Jimmy and I talk all the time time it's almost like what's old is new again you know yeah AJ is in Ohio he has a question for you got you yeah oh you mentioned listening to the crowd he said it's like an art form I know you're a

musician you played music and you've been in bands that help you like to listen to the the crowd and kind of get a feel and help with your stage presence well it did help a lot because I played music for like 10 years before I ever got in the wrestling business. And when we were getting ready to go on the road with a band called Blackfoot, one of the singers just, the singer just got married

and one of the guitar players had this girlfriend they didn't want to leave, so I got pissed and I said, that's it. I'm quitting, I'm gonna be the greatest wrestler that ever lived, and they all fell on the floor laughing. And you know, of course, why not? But then, the stage presence of being in front of those live crowds six nights a week,

because we would play from nine till two in the morning. Jimmy Hart knows all about that. He was a musician too. Hell yeah, Jimmy's playing till three, four a.m. Yeah, no doubt. And so I got used to being in front of that crowd, brother, so that when I got in front of a wrestling crowd and I broke in in Florida and you know, and when I walked out to the ring I didn't have the jitters, you know, I was already used to being in front of that crowd. So it did help a lot

whenever you Whenever you kind of live your life day to day. What's the goal? Like when you're waking up today? Like, you know, I want people to better understand who I am who might misunderstand me a little bit might have taken something That I've done wrong in the past out of context. I want to sell some real American beer I want to put over Hulk Hogan. What is the day to day at this stage? Well, the weirdest thing is you know, I don't sound like a Bible Bible thump or holy or it's just to be at peace To be at peace because you know, I't want to sound like a Bible thump or holy war, it's just to be at peace. To be at peace because you know I was saved when I was 14, you know accepted Christ when I was 14, of course I derailed music and wrestling and all the debauchery, we went nuts.

And then you know I've been through a couple divorces and I just couldn't understand why this was happening and a lot of it had to do with me and the lifestyle and everything. And then once I got remarried the third time, my wife and I both got baptized. I just really went back to my faith and all of a sudden it just kind of straightened everything up for me, you know? So the weird part is, is once you're at peace, you know, the good doesn't prevent the better and things keep getting better and better and better

And you know if I'm gonna if I'm gonna work, I'm gonna work if I'm not gonna work I'm gonna sit my butt on the couch and you know binge watch TV or something So it's always if I'm working I'm searching for greatness, you know greatness with the beer I want this to be the number one beer in America same thing when I wrestled. I want to be the number one wrestlers whatever I do The final goal is greatness. So for me to be working at my age, you know and be it's a blessing. How old are you? I'm 71 i'll be 72 in august happy birthday. We missed a few Yep, still working out still working out. Yeah, bro. I hit it for about an hour and a half a day What do we do? We do beach we do full body. What's the workout? Well bodybuilding, you know, I've got a gym in my garage

I weigh 265 pounds now the last time I weighed this I was in ninth grade So I've always been over 300 pounds, but I had 10 back surgeries Both hips replaced both knees two shoulders couple surgeries on my face my and just, you know, the back surgery's killed me. That's why I can't walk from here to there. No, you can't, we saw you. No, I was hanging on to Jimmy. Okay, but you still got, both feet got there.

Yeah, yeah, but it's cool, you know, and it's like, life is so darn good that once you realize it, now that I see, it's almost like, and here we go Bible thump you guys bro, it's not democratic, republican, it's not who won or who lost, it's almost like a spiritual thing where we're all turning back to being good

and the country being great again and just everybody wants quality of life and I see it happening and it's changing so this is the greatest time ever to be alive. Yeah, they're calling it, or projecting a golden era at least, that is the goal of the entire thing I hope that's the case Unity is something that is beautiful and the wrestling world has a lot of different people involved in that are fans

You know a lot of different fans Republicans Democrats rich poor you name it everybody in the building Has it always been that way because I think a lot of people joke about Wrestling fans that haven't been around a long time. They always think it's like the dumb people from the south are the wrestling fans. That's not the case. No, no, no. Wrestling draws everybody, I think.

Do you agree with that? And has it always been like that? No, it's always been like that. And I told Trump, you know, when we were talking in private at Madison Square Garden at the Nazi rally, you know. And I told him, I said, bro, I've been out on the road, like, and he held my beer too. He goes, even though I don't drink Hogan,

I'm gonna take a picture with your can. The real American beer. Yeah, and so I was telling him, I said, brother, I said, I've been looking at these polls, you know, and they say you're two points ahead of here in this poll, this poll, and this poll says you're two points behind. I said, I've been on the road for six months peddling beer

and I see you know People are in school and their work during the day and that's when we have the appearances like at the Walmart's and the Kroger's We get two three thousand people showing up in the middle of the day, you know, and they're all fans Or they're all you know love wrestling and stuff I said my fans are Democrats and they're Republicans and everybody wants you So I don't know how it could possibly be even. So the night I went to bed, he was ahead like 18 electoral votes

and I thought for sure when I went to bed at 11.30, I was gonna wake up in the morning, they'd steal the election, you know. I woke up at four o'clock in the morning, take a piss and he'd won. I went, what? And so when he had told me Hogan is gonna be too big to rig,

I thought it was like a catchphrase, like what you gonna do, to rig I thought it was like a catchphrase like what you gonna do brother. I thought it was just a kid, but he was serious Did you think did you tell him maybe you should add brother at the end of that too big to rig? No, but I'm gonna say something I got to take credit for being the first athlete When I when I did the convention of Madison Square Garden, I did his dance before anybody did Oh, you're saying it caught on a little bit because... Yeah, because of me. Yeah, I think you did it great too. No ego involved, yeah.

Yeah, no ego involved. How do you feel about everybody that says that about you? That's one big takeaway. This guy's an egotistical maniac is what people, your detractors say. You said you're at peace. Obviously, you're trying to do your thing, but there's always going to be detractors from what? Four different decades of success. Well, mostly the haters are the ones that haven't worked with me, you know, they don't know me which is cool

And you know, they everybody has an ego in the wrestling business. I get it I have respect for anybody that could stick this business out, you know Because I've seen the UFC guys basketball players football players come they get a day that they want to go back to where they came From you know great guys like Kurt Anglin Brock Lesnar, you know, they get a day that they want to go back to where they came from, you know. Great guys like Kurt Anglin, Brock Lesnar, you know, Benjamin Shelton. There's some really tough guys that have stuck it out. But the people that, you know, say I'm all ego-driven, you have to have a certain ego in this business because back in the day, I had the top spot, bro. Guess what everybody else wants? Yep.

Everybody else wants that spot. Guess who makes the most most money the guy with the top spot okay and the best worker is the guy that makes the most money I don't care who you are you know I don't care what your style is in the ring the best workers guy that makes the most money and that guy's Vince McMahon or it was for a lot of years you know because he was the boss but at the end of the day that people that say I have an ego they haven't worked with me don't they I don't hurt anybody it was also a necessity you think oh my god I have you to survive for me to survive are you kidding you had to have a confidence about yourself that because there's a

lot of people trying to get the wrestling business you talked about a gun to your face yeah I mean if you watch any documentary about what it used to be cutthroat is an understatement Let alone the politics in the locker room everything like that You had to have an unflappable confidence arrogance almost to be able to continue to do your job And if it wasn't you it was gonna be somebody right and you gotta realize when I get in this business There were like six guys sitting in the locker room broken noses cauliflower ears teeth knocked out They're all 320 330 pounds and for me to take his job, I had to take the food out of his family's mouth.

Nobody wanted me in the business when I started in 77. It was a different business back in 1977 and nothing personal but those big 300 and 350 pound guys. A lot of these guys are in the business now. If it was still the way it was, they wouldn't be in this business. You know, the guys that are about 70, 80 pounds, they would never have let them in the business. But thank God it's changed because these guys are super athletes now.

Great show. You know, anytime you talk to an OG wrestler, the conversation is always like, they're planning spots and yada, yada, yada. They don't call it in the ring. I don't think anybody's calling anything in the ring anymore because there's so many eyes on everything. And you know, obviously best wrestler wins every single match.

That is kind of how we view it. I like to hear the fact that you're not like Jay didn't hate all the young guys. No bro, no. I mean a lot of the guys don't like me but I get respect for them. I understand. They're going to go through a period. They're going to, perfect example, when I was working at WCW there was a whole group of young guys, they're all my friends now

You know Scott Hall Kevin Nash a whole bunch of young guys that where they didn't want anybody in the business over 40. I Love Chris Jericho how hell's Jericho now? He's one of my favorite friends. Yeah, I don't know You know So things have changed but they didn't understand at the time Hogan's the oldest one. Let's get rid of him. There was a lot of that going on back then. But the thing is, to get rid of me, I was the star in the 80s, and here goes the ego, to get rid of me, I should have been gone in the 90s.

You know, they really should, they had 10 years to replace me, but they didn't, so I was the star in the 90s, and then when that didn't happen, guess what happened? I still rolled into the 2000s. Hogan knows best. So, well, whatever. How'd you feel about that? Hindsight I feel about it. I'd never do it again ever I watched well Not with my family not in the house too much. Oh, bro brutal brutal

I mean I'd wake up in the morning the production crew would be outside There'd be putting a mic and me and on my kids and everything like it's seven o'clock in the morning They wouldn't leave till ten at night. It was brutal. Yeah, that's a lot. It was brutal Yeah, but if it means anything as a fan of the show, that's great. Joe your misery was certainly worth it Ty is a question for you Hulkster. Yeah, you mentioned Rocky 3 getting fired. I always used to read a story that I don't know if it was when you went in shooting someone was Told you like hey you need to put on for the wrestling business Like you need to beat the shit out of Sylvester Stallone in the ring like actually shoot go at him

Was there any truth to that because obviously in like with Thunder lips in rocky 3 I always remembered reading a story that you did some serious damage to slice it alone and that you guys maybe had some beef Like afterwards after the filming was over no beef, but he's the one that wanted it to be real Because not it's such a weird story when I broke in Wrestling at Florida. There's a guy named Tom Ernesto that was the booker Okay, my first day when I went down a guy named hero Matsuda and I thought is in good shape He exercised until I was ready to faint burpees Okay, my first day when I went down, a guy named Hiromatsuda, and I thought he was in good shape. He exercised me until I was ready to faint, burpees, jumping squats. He made me run around

Tampa Stadium a couple times, followed me in the station wagon like two feet behind me until I was ready to pass out. Got me in the ring, put his elbow on my shin, grabbed my toe and broke my leg. First day. Don't ever come back again. I was playing a rock and roll band had long blonde hair down my back thought I was a tough guy but I wasn't but at the end of the day when I went out to do the Rocky movie there was Tom Ernesto and Tom Ernesto was coordinating this whole thing so Stallone and Stallone could tell I wasn't real happy with the guy and so Stallone goes come, come on my trail, let's have lunch together. So he goes, well, what do you think of this guy? I said, well, brother, you know,

it's gonna look like a bunch of fiction in there. You know, I didn't know anything about the movies. I've never done a movie before. I negotiated Stallone with my fee on the side of the ring. He gave me 14 grand to do the part. You know, I've never had an agent or anything before. And so he goes, well, what do you think would happen? I said, well, brother, I'm 330 pounds, you know,

I'm 29 years old, I got a 34 inch waist and I've been over in Japan, I can really go right now. I said, if you were to reach out with a boxing glove and try to hit me at 160 pounds, I'd break you in half like a chicken. You know, I really would. So he goes, well what do we do to make it real? I said, well, what do we need to do?

I don't understand filming. He goes, well, we only need two or three big setups. I said, okay, well, charge me in the corner, I'll move. I'll slam you, I'll pick it. He goes, no, no, no. One move is one thing, like charge me in moving. That's one setup. I didn't realize that.

Camera's gotta shoot his point of view, my point of view, and then a wide shot. You know, I didn't realize just one punch was a big setup. I didn't understand that So once he told me what he needed and when we don't need Tom or Nesta I can do this so basically we blocked everything out move by move and a couple times I did hurt him I hit him with a high knee in the corner and I thought I broke his collarbone I threw a punch if you ever watch it again I hit him with a high knee in the corner and I thought I broke his collarbone. I threw a punch, if you ever watch it again,

I throw a straight in punch to his forehead that came from down here. It's one of the best punches I've ever seen thrown, thank you. No, watch it again, that straight punch, you can't beat it. And then when I power slammed him, he wanted to take it. Instead of putting him in the middle of the ring, I was a Prisic. And I ran with him and I put him in the corner to teach him a lesson. And when I, my chest hit his chest,

and I bounced up, I saw the blood go right out of his mouth, and I went, oh hell. He goes, let's do it again. I'm going, dude, you're crazy. Yeah, well, it ended up being absolutely, like, one of the biggest moments in the history of film, and obviously wrestling in that entire thing. Shout to you piecing it together

Big old brain no crowd either. She can't even you know It was just stock stuff. It's just he said what would happen if the 300 pound wrestler got in the room with 160 pound boxer I would eat your fist Close enough to get to me. It'd be over Prisic. Huh? You still talking? It was always tis off kids kids aren't your bros other? Yeah, that's a very for Rizzo brother. Well, that was the problem. The last time I went back to the WWE events was there.

So hey, business, what's up with the gives eyes in the biz? Akram, they're just his hanging out with big ears. They just listen to everything we're doing. He was Terry. We don't speak carny anymore. What? You don't? Yeah. What's up with the

boys in the back they're listening to everything that we're saying Cody Rhodes and a bunch of guys speak carny right Jimmy Cody still yes there's that brought up in the business Roman Reigns speaks it yeah the whole crew how do you feel about generational wrestlers how do you feel about like second generation third generation because obviously the bloodline we talked about that you so just won the rumble yeah it makes life easy man makes these guys have it in their blood So they'll work her a lot of people don't want to work hurt You know if you break your thumb or something the spectrum in the afternoon

You're in the garden a couple hours later. Nobody complained you work hurt, you know teeth knocked out broken nose It's not a big thing. You know, it's these generational wrestlers understand what their parents went through and their grandparents. And so it's like Orton, you know, Bob Orton, I wrestled his dad. And when I first started in Florida, Big O was in the territory. I was a job guy. I did a squash match for Big O's grandfather. So I wrestled three of the Orton's, you know, who's Mount Rushmore. When you do Mount Rushmore, obviously a lot of people put you on there because of what you did for the business. How do you judge it? Is it money earned business change What do you whenever people do those mount rushmore's? What do you think they should think about? It's not money

It's not money. I can tell you right now who it'd be I can tell you who the four guys are right now. It's andre the giant. Okay, it's roddy piper It's without doubt it's Rick Flair And macho man, okay, that's that's that's the real Mount Rushmore. Okay, so you left out obviously attitude error there You left out modern generation. Yeah, and that's because you believe company doesn't exist Those guys laid the groundwork for everybody that came after him now Obviously you're omitting yourself from that a lot of people if you were gonna do that So guys made me if it wasn't for those guys, I wouldn't be Hulk Hogan macho man

You and he obviously a lot of deep history and yeah NWO turn was with an on macho obviously in the world upside down with it whenever you look back on your relationship with him How do you view it? Um, well, the good thing is right before he passed away we kissed and made up. That's huge. I think that's a big deal. Life long regret. We were together every day. I mean we traveled together. He lived right down the beach from me. We trained every day. We did everything together. And then when he went to the divorce well yeah Hogan you're the one that did this to Elizabeth. You got in her ear. I'm like what? It was my wife? Not me. You know my wife took her down to Miami. It was game over. Yeah, I heard about that game

Good God. Yeah, but you know then he hated me for like eight or ten years and then he got remarried to his high school sweetheart and I guess he kind of calmed down a little bit and I was at the doctor's office I was having some heart problems or something he took came in there with his mom and I'm just sitting there on that paper table, you know, with one of my ex-wives. And he walks in and he opened the door, my eyes got this big, my ex-wife really didn't know who he was.

And he was like, what's up brother? I'm like, man, you look great man, because he got his size back. Because he went from Spider-Man 290 down to about 180. And I ran into him in TNA, and it wasn't cool. We weren't cool, but he was kind of very small. I kind of felt bad, you know? And he didn't look real great. And then I saw him this last time, and he, oh, man,

he looks like Randy. He was 240, healthy, and he had a wedding ring on him. Married my high school sweetheart. And I introduced my ex-wife to him. She goes, oh, Mr. Macho Man, if you want to, we're having dinner. Terry's got a bunch of his lawyers over there. I said, no, I don't need any lawyers.

I think I'll start slow, you know? So then I was with Lanny, his brother. We were doing some independent stuff up in Canada, wrestling at some places up in Canada and we called and I guess his Dog or something has just died. I don't know what it was He was all right and he was his dog was his favorite person, you know, and his German Shepherd man's best friend Yeah, man, and Randy loved that dog the whistle is That kind of that's how he would whistle for his dog that I

Can't do it. That's how we do it. Yeah. So anyway, we called Randy, hey, we're going to be back this weekend. We have a barbecue with your mom and stuff like that. And I'll be damned. He passed away before we got back. Okay.

But you do have a sense of yeah, we were cool at the end, man. It was really cool because he was back to being Randy, you know, any other situations you think that the world has misconstrued about you? I don't know. I'm not trying here to make excuses for anything. I mean, some. No, I think that's a big piece of information there with Macho Man.

I feel like I followed closely. I did not know that was the case. So I assume there's other things throughout. No, I mean, you know, people either like me or they don't. You know, there's no in-between. A lot of people think that I ran the show or I had the's other things throughout. No, I mean, you know, people either like me or they don't. You know, there's no in-between. A lot of people think that I ran the show or I had the power of the pencil. I mean, you know, I've heard Bret Hart say

that I destroyed his career because I had the pencil, you know, but then, you know, he's hated Vince and he's hated Flair and he's hated- Goldberg. Goldberg, he hates everybody. So I don't know where I fall in line there, but- You don't know where you are on the painting. I don't know where I fall in line there. But- You don't know where you are. I don't know. But the funny thing was last time I saw- Will you ever try to reach out and

make right? Well, if I saw him, well, the last time I saw him, I was in a WWE locker room and I was being called to go to the gorilla position. And when I opened the door, Natty, who I love to death, was standing there with Bret, hey Bret, how you doing? I shook his hand real quick. I don't even think he realized I did it. You're snowing. No, I said, hey Bret, how you doing? He stuck his hand real quick. I don't think he realized I did it. You stole one.

No, I said hey Brett how you doing? He stuck his hand out, I shook it real quick and I was gone before I realized it was me I think. Much like you did with Macho Man before. What's that? You guys made up. Who, Brett? No, we haven't talked at all.

No, but I'm saying you should do that with everybody. Oh, I'd love to. I think it would be. Oh, I love Brett to death. I think he's cool as hell, man, but I don't know, bro, it is what it is with your career, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, well, especially with where the business is I'll put it to you this way if you could have done any better you would have okay It's about everybody that's every sport by the way, but everybody makes their own deal brother

That's not just professional wrestling that happens in football that happens in hockey that happens in basketball There's a lot of guys that think they got screwed by everybody. No, I mean, I'm not hating Vince McMahon because he did better than me. Now, Bret Hart, though, was a guy, though. That's why it's interesting that there is still that. I hope you get a chance to bury the hatch with everybody. Oh, I hope so, yeah.

Because you guys, you and your crew, just like you mentioned, you were Mount Rushmore, obviously built this business to become what it has become. You guys got a cold beer. Yeah, we have. I need something, man. Cold beer. Yeah, you'll have one too.

We got some boys that are running in the back. With that being said, I think we're going to wrap this up. Really? I got to get to Cleveland for RAW. Oh, that's right. That's right. You were just there. I didn't know if you were going to RAW or not.

I didn't know if I was or not, man. I had no idea. What is the plan? What is life? We're going around real American beer? Well, I got a bunch of other stuff going too. you know, I'm getting ready to I don't want to talk too much, but I'm getting ready to open a bar in New York. What? Wow. Hey, what are you doing? Real American bar. I don't have my phone with me. I'll show you where it's at. Okay. If this is

Madison Square Garden, okay, right here. That's the Mecca. And this is the entrance. Okay. Penn Station, right? Yeah. Walking from here to the Thunderdome sign right there Here's the entrance of Madison Square and Penn's at my restaurants on that corner is your barbecue place Hogan's hangout No, I know you're saying I'm gonna tell you the name yet. Is that a bar though? Yeah, okay? So you've run bars before yeah, you understand the bar business. Oh, yeah, so this should not be a problem It's gonna be a wild one Love it. What do you mean? I don't know. I mean, it's you know, there's a million people a day one by the front of the place You know, so

Are you gonna be out front? I'm gonna be everywhere brother. You doing this one right here. Yeah, I'm gonna be I've got real American beer All over the place there. So it's gonna get crazy Oh, come on beer, please. Oh beer go bears. Why see I'm semi-retired What nice catch? I'll take one downtown. Oh, it's fomed up. Yeah. Yeah, I tossed it. Yeah call me you in. Oh, yeah D-bunch, hey, that's get you guys did on the show was crazy Who was in the suit? You know who?

That was me. He's got a little foam on his chin right there. Jimmy, you want a beer? Jimmy, you don't drink. I will today. No, you're not. He'll do one. Nice catch, Jimmy.

Nice. Football in high school. Athlete. Don't ever get it twisted. Jimmy, you won't drink a beer. I've asked you for 45 years to drink a beer with me. Whoa, whoa, whoa, you weren't drinking that. Remember vitamins prayers?

I was, no, I was drinking, he wasn't. Oh, okay, yeah, got it, got it. Hey, here's to you, Hulkster. Real American. That's right. I am a real American drinking this beer on Sandicant. There you go.

Tastes like a little bit of a Bushlight. Oh! You don't agree with that? Bushlight's pretty good. This is in the same- You didn't say Bud Light, you said Bushlight. Bush. Bush, yeah.

It's in the same vein. Yeah. Of the light beers. You same vein. Yeah, I like beers You know what we need brother. What's that? We need a Hollywood Hogan 8.0 NWO. Oh, yeah, welcome to the dark side ride dirty with the real American beer, brother Yeah, why don't you do get it done with PBR executive? Man, I don't know. I think we get it done with WWE's one couldn't get it done with yeah Congrats on the deal with the WDM and there are partners. How's it been working with that pose right? It's you know what I

Love Vince McMahon to death, but it is like two brothers We would fight like dogs been through a lot together man. We would fight over everything You know pretty good everything. Oh, yeah for this may or may not be my first real American beer swig. He drinks them all in the office Working with Nick Kahn and Triple H is it's like smooth as butter, right Jimmy. It's just like they tell you what they think They like a lot of the ideas. They contribute to the ideas Jim Nick Kahn was a hulk maniac Triple H's has just been Gracious and nice to us and I wish I had Stephanie to work with too. Well, I think she's staying home I think no, I don't know. It feels like she's getting back on that board. Yeah feels like it especially this weekend

You know, she came here. Yeah, she's doing some she's like kind of slowly He's in back came first at the road. She the business inside now yeah grew up in it I mean these are like real deal grew up in it just like you man we're lucky to you know have experience at Terry Balia to the Hulkster kind of entire road and run and thank you for what you've done for the base and this brother's good in the ring too I don't know how much you guys know about it but watching you in the ring when. I don't know how much you guys know about it, but watching you in the ring, when you first came on, I'm sitting home going, over the top, crazy, big mouth, raising hell.

I'm going, they're gonna love this guy. Especially Vince was there when you started, right? I said, Vince is gonna love this. Just right down his, and then I saw you get in the ring. I said, this brother's an athlete. I'm gonna find out what he did. And then I found out you get in the ring. I said, this brother's an athlete. I'm gonna find out what he did. And then I found out you played football and stuff. I went, holy smokes.

Now I know why you got balance and timing, because that's what it's all about. You know that. Balance and timing's a big deal. It's everything. That's why I'm watching Michael Cole Yead. It's like Cole stinks in the ring. He's got no rhythm.

You guys got no rhythm, no timing, no nothing. But also, balance, timing, and placement. If you're not in the right place, you're gonna get hurt real bad. Yeah, and you can make everybody look terrible. Exactly. You got it. Yeah, when I saw you in the mirror,

I'm like, okay, the brother's got it. I'll tell you what though, I've been in there a few times. You know who else has got it? Check the box, I'm okay. You done the gimmick yet? Red turns to green. I'm not, I'm not. I'll whack you the first time.

Okay, you got it. Hey, actually, bring a chair out, and I'll just old school that thing. No, you don't want a hard way for me. Ask Jimmy. You don't want one for me. No, if you're a virgin, I'll hit you the first time. Okay, sweet. I appreciate that. I always remember that. You always remember the first time. I certainly will. Who else? You think Logan? Oh, God. He's so good. He's great. Oh, he's so good.

You think he still don't know what a shooter of work is? I think that was a work on you. Yeah, it was. He was playing. Yeah, I think so too. He was playing. He's a dumb fox. Yeah yeah he worked your ass though he sure did yeah brother problem yeah this is shoot yeah yeah yeah it worked a little bit hey you better watch yourself though cuz you work yourself into a shoot there you go brother is that one of the greatest tweets of all time I think so yeah I

think it is very cool Because the business is a shoot. I agree with that. Everything's a shoot Are you kidding me? This business is not a work. This is a shoot if this was a work So you and I are wrestling And I pay get paid 2 million bucks and you get 600 grand. Is that a work who's gonna win? It doesn't matter No, but I'm saying money in the miles who cares who wins it's entertainment is predetermined it's a shoot if somebody's making more money than me that's a shoot to me hmm it's a shoot right absolutely it's the money in the miles old school

how long you got to be away from your family and quality of life and how much money they paying you to destroy your life and be on the road So if I'm wrestling with somebody they're making more money than me It's a shoot and it should be a shoot to them, too Does everybody know how much everybody's making? No, my days I already had my day I get nothing to prove I'm good nobody's making as much as a Hulkster No, I don't wait man. Hold on. I had my day, but I was born 20 years too soon. Oh, you're saying nowadays paychecks a little bit different, Hulkster.

Biggest gate in the history of the WWE just happened. This Royal Rumble. I know, it was awesome. And then it's like, the last biggest one was like, whatever the last, I think Mania. Yeah. The last one, and then the next one will be- The business is on fire, brother.

It's crazy. Yeah, but it's different pay model now, right? No longer the pay per view checks and everything like that because of streaming and everything. Yeah, it's different. Yeah, it is all different. I don't know anything about it. I wish I did.

I'd love to get in the middle of that. One more match. Easy. One more match. No, it ain't there, bro. One more surgery. One. If I fall down in the ring, I think I'd turn to dust. No, it ain't there, bro. One more surgery.

If I fall down in the ring, I think I'd turn to dust. Biggest, first moment that pops in your head when you think of your entire career right now? I didn't understand you. First moment that pops in your head when you think about your entire career right now? Andre? Yeah, I was slamming the giant. Has to be.

Has to be, yeah. I didn't know if he was gonna let me do it. Yeah, that was shoot, right? Yeah. And he didn't tell me he was gonna let me do it. Yeah, that was shoot, right? Yeah He and he didn't tell me he was gonna win or lose and he wasn't a very bad mood Which is unstoppable, right? If you're in the dressing room with him and he drinks two bottles of Crown Royal your cheese You're good If he drinks two bottles of Crown Royal and some other stuff for the pain watch out You don't know what's taking place watch out out. That was standard operating procedure back then?

Obviously not two bottles, Andre's a different animal, but people used to, just to get through, let's get through the night and let's see you the next stop. No, the guys really didn't drink, it was just me and a couple guys. I always kept a case of beer in the dressing room. For the boys? Well, for me too, of course.

I had to have a couple beers before I went to the ring. I just did, it just made me Loose, you know Turns you into the hole. Yeah made me over animated. I needed that. Yeah, so I didn't have to wrestle very much never shy Whole life always built for public eye you think even a child through high school fat kid wouldn't take a shirt off You know that whole deal and then he started Cuz I wanted a girlfriend man. Yeah, I get it.

Started drinking Diet Cokes and eating one Burger King a day. Boom. We need to start doing that. Yeah, he's got to start. He drinks four real American beers on Tuesday. There you go. No, but this is awesome. I mean, I just love where it's at now.

I just can't believe how big it is. The WWE is just dominating. You think Cena should have turned heel? My opinion? Yeah, because what happened with you? In my opinion, I think John would have been one of the greatest heels ever because he was such a great baby face.

And you know, you repent after you've cut everybody's throat and stolen all the money and cheated and stolen everything. Then when you repent and beg for forgiveness, the wrestling fans will make even a bigger baby face. Here's to you, Hulkster. Alright, real American beer in the house. It's available where? Everywhere. Really? Nationwide?

Well, we're in 20 states. We're working on the rest of them. Boom. Good work, brother. Boom! Good work, brother! Yep. Good work, brother. Hey, be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. We're in this thing together. Never forget it. Yes, sir. Thank you. Team on me!

Team on three! One, two, three, team! Cheers! Goodbye!