The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1297 - LIVE from the NFL Combine, Tyrese Haliburton, Daniel Jeremiah & Rich Eisen, Ian Rapaport, Field Yates, Molly McGrath, & Visit Indy

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

On today's show, Pat & the boys are LIVE from the NFL Combine covering all the latest in NFL Draft & Free Agency news, including an alleged kerfuffle between NFL Newsbreakers at a local Starbucks. At the top of the show, the boys are joined by Pacers Point Gard & Olympic Gold Medalist Tyrese Haliburton to talk about the narratives surrounding the NBA right now, his reaction to the Luka Doncic trade, his love for Indianapolis, and more. After Tyrese, host of the NFL Draft, NFL Combine, and The Rich Eisen Show, Rich Eisen joins the progrum alongside NFL Draft guru Daniel Jeremiah to chat about what they are looking for at this Combine, Rich's Run Rich Run campaigns over the years where he runs the 40 yard dash for St. Judes, how Daniel Jeremiah sees the top of the draft shaking out, and much more. Pat closes the first hour with some massive breaking news, where source(s) confirm that Travis Kelce will return to the Kansas City Chiefs next season. In the second hour, ESPN Fantasy expert & Draft analyst Field Yates stops by to go over the Draft season from his perspective, his thoughts on how free agency will go for Vikings QB Sam Darnold, and his take on this year's quarterback class. Also in the second hour, Nebraska Head Coach Matt Rhule stops by with some electric stories about his Nebraska offseason, his thoughts on canceling his progrum's Spring Game, the transfer portal, and more. In the third hour, ESPN Sideline Reporter & Analyst Molly McGrath joins the set to talk about covering the Draft for the first time last year and the segway it provides from College Football to the NFL, and more. We close the show with a delivery from Visit Indy and the Owner of St Elmo's with a delivery on Shrimp Cocktails & Steak Sliders. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN's YouTube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We will be LIVE again from the Combine tomorrow for Feel Good Friday. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to Lucas Oil Stadium in beautiful Indianapolis, Indiana. The forever home, hopefully, of the Combine. Day two here starts right now. Combine! Is what the topic of conversation is, not only here in Indianapolis, all around the NFL, but also on the Internet. There was an altercation at a Starbucks here in Indianapolis yesterday that has certainly caught some headlines. We'll address that and let you know what we have heard between two insiders who both wanted the same coffee.

One of the insiders owns the coffee. The other one was merely there having a meeting supporting the other's father and allegedly there's some disagreements that all the way led up to a call to NFL security. So there's an investigation happening currently about a Starbucks that happened with a couple media members but that's what's combined is baby. It is an NFL spring break where so many things happen not only with the D-line and the linebackers that are gonna be working out on the field today or the kickers and punters and snappers that worked out on the field today, or the kickers and punters and snappers that worked out on the field yesterday,

that was not to be televised, even though I was told it was televised, ended the show early to go host it on television, I thought. That seemed to be a miscommunication somewhere, it wasn't findable. But there is clips everywhere, which is so cool to be able to talk to future punters and kickers and holders.

I very rarely get to do that. I don't go to a lot of kicking camps anymore, although I have friends that like the Coles and Nick Novak, I believe out in San Diego, former NFL. Great. He does these kicking camps. I don't really get to hang around the kicking community much anymore. And going to those kicking camps is always fun because you're just watching these dudes hit these bombs.

You know, it's a home run derby,by basically and guys are competing against each other you're able to go there I think it is a spectacle or could become a spectacle when the NFL agrees and they've had this showcase together the last two years that pins kickers against each other punters against each other it was a great day I was lucky to be a part of it certainly thought I was gonna be hosting to this and when I got down there that was a piece of information I was finding out in real time so instead of like having to host or do any of that, I just got a chance to enjoy it

and chit chat with these guys and try to give some game and maybe some motivation and some help. So the Combine is a beautiful place. A lot of things happen. A lot of information is learned. A lot of players change their careers, maybe even franchises change the trajectory of their entire city.

And we're so incredibly lucky to be here. We got great guests throughout the day. Rich Eisen, Daniel Jeremiah will be joining us here in a matter of moments. They are obviously the host of the actual combine on the field. The two people with microphones, DJ now, the previous person that held his seat,

went on to be a general manager in the NFL because of how much work and effort and intel and intelligence you have to have to have that particular role. We'll be excited to pepper him with questions And it's not just you know the show today, and we are Incredibly bummed that one half of the toxic table is not able to join us today We would like to send our love to Ty Schmidt. We'll see you hopefully

Love you Ty, but let's go to the toxic table ladies and gentlemen at Boston Connor and Mad Mel Kuyper making appearance Thank you for stepping in for Ty who obviously had that late thing this morning. You look great. You look like you're in maybe mid form mid season form right now. I appreciate it. Pat, you know, always great to join you guys. Combine week. I want to go out and say, you know, it's kind of like my conference championship weekend.

Obviously the NFL draft is going to be the Super Bowl, but conference championship weekend, nothing better than, you know, weekend and indie. Not only do we have fights between insiders, you know, which we'll talk about that. What are your thoughts on that? Because you've been coming here a long time. You understand absolutely long time. You know, you get a young young pup like Jordan Schultz, who, you know, he's trying to really put a stamp on the game.

Apparently, he'd rap for, you know, well respected in the industry has a lot of sources, you know, a lot of people he's trying to talk to to try to talk to an agent goes up to a counter local Starbucks had like a venti caramel macchiato or you know I believe is what he or explained I believe a couple split it could be a sweet and low can't exactly remember what kind of you know zero calorie sweetener he decided to go with Giorno Schultz steps in says no he won't have a venti so rap sheet says okay I'll have a grande you know caramel macchiato no he won't no you won't have a Fenty so rap sheet says okay I'll have a grande you know caramel macchiato no he won't no you won't have one of those all right I'll

take it tall and you know we'll be done with this I'll get out of there Giorno Schultz again this is according to my sources I wasn't boots on allegedly much like what's going on at a University of Mississippi just like we said yesterday well there was the grandstanding police hopped out on their high horses. It was good to see. We weren't even a full show back and we called them out. Almost for them an hour and a half

into the program yesterday. It was great. What we're saying is this is all alleged but certainly with some people talking about some realities. Yeah, without a doubt. So he said, no, you're not going to have any coffee. Not in my house. Okay. You've been saying a lot of shit about me. You've been refuting a lot of the stuff that I've been saying.

He said, water only for this guy. Rap sheet gets a small, you know, plastic cup of water. Because Giorno Schultz's dad, obviously. He owns Starbucks. You know, Giorno Schultz is the heir to the Starbucks empire, if you will. He smacks the water out of his hands and says, fucking do something about it, rap.

Do something. Get in my fucking face. Do it. According to pro football talk, he said fuck about 15 times. At least. Yeah. In his dad's cafe? Oh, yeah. You know, dad's cafe, you could.

Well, and then he refuted that report. Well, he did. But you know. I wouldn't swear in my dad's passion project. Was dad's cafe? Or you could even take that as far as say, I mean, rap sheet basically disrespected this guy in his own living room. Okay, yeah. You know you're gonna come in here with with mud on your shoes and walk through my balls on his table.

Exactly. Giorno Schultz smacked him around a little bit allegedly. He's in his kitchen making pancakes. Yeah cooking bacon in his underwear. Yeah there it is. That's basically what was happening. Shout out Danny Sanzucci or whatever Still bringing it. Yeah still bringing it. And then obviously rap sheet you know he said listen enough is enough I feel threatened here this guy's got crazy eyes right now I'm gonna have to call NFL security. NFL security came up I don't know what eventually happened I think they took Jordo Schultz out back beat the shit out of him with a couple lead punches. Behind his dad's house? Yeah they called him Big Dom. They called him Big Dom, yeah. Big Dom don't do that. The arrow took his... Big Dom is a handshaker. You never know. He's not an ankle breaker.

I don't know if this is breaking news or not, but I believe today after the men kind of go through the drills on the field, Jordo Schultz and Ian Rapinport are going to fight to the death at the 50 yard mark. That's it. That's combined. That'll be fun. That's combined. And for those that are new to the show, we're not 100% sure if that's going to happen. the death at the 50. That's combined. That'll be fun. That's common. And those for those that are new to the show, we're not 100% sure if that's going to happen. That's just all being alleged at the moment. Yeah, there's a chance one of these people clip the end of that. Sure. Say on ESPN. It is being reported by a man wearing a purple suit. Great suit. Saw Nick Cicero wearing purple

yesterday. I said, God damn, that looks good. I'm gonna wear that tomorrow. We don't know if they're fighting to death, but should maybe. We don't want them to die. We don't want either of them to die. We want them to shake hands. One half of the hammer. Cowboys tongue digs is here. And ladies and gentlemen, the face of the Indiana Pacers who just had to sit through all of that. Sorry. I'm just learning about it. It happened at Starbucks here in your town. Ladies and gentlemen, Olympic gold medalist, face of the NBA. Oh, well, well. I put you in a terrible spot.

Tyrese Albert. We are going to face the NBA conversation. Yeah, no, we are not going to do that. That is earned, obviously. That happens naturally. That is not something you give to yourself. Tyrese, fresh off a 33-11 and three night, obviously the 11 assist, three rebounds. Need to get those up a little bit

I think you could probably had a triple double if your groin was healthy you want into the game questionable hurt groin 50-50 questionable going into game everything we know about NBA is what they're gonna sit out Maddmell they're gonna sit out gone man. They're going to sit out and get paid especially in the middle of the season How much money they're getting paid? are going to sit out and get paid. Especially in the middle of the season, how much money they're getting paid, 82 of these things, hurt, groin. Tyrese Halliburton says, I'm playing, big game.

We're in the middle of a hell of a stretch. We're top four hottest team in the NBA right now. One of the best records in 2025. Oh, must I remind you, Eastern Conference finalists last year as Tyrese pulls up from the other side of the court. How do you feel about the team? And thank you for playing through a groin injury

or groin whatever you had going on. You're the man. We appreciate you here in Indiana. Yeah, we're playing well right now. You know, we're just fighting to get, you know, home court advantage in the playoffs in the first round. So every game is big right now. So we're trying to win every game. Okay, so a lot of people watching our show right now

are going to say here at the NFL Combine while we're talking about the NBA. Do you think that that is a natural conversation that's happening? Like, do we're talking about the NBA. Do you think that that is a natural conversation that's happening? Do you guys talk about the NBA where it sits in the zeitgeist of professional sports? Do you have any of those convos amongst each other?

No. No, we know who we are. We don't really trip off that. I mean, we understand. I understand I'm here at a football program. We talk about a lot of sports, but a lot of people who are in sports programs. No, we're a sports program.

Remember that for a second? Yeah, sports program lot of sports programs. This is a sports program. No, no, we're a sports program. Remember that for the... Yeah, sports program. Heavy football. Yeah, football. Football first. Maybe a little bit of hockey. Okay, we do like the hockey. We do like the hockey.

Or a hockey. Hockey is awesome. Yeah, because they try. See, that's the narrative. Why is that the narrative? P.K. Subban. Yeah, I think it's Subban, but...

Subban. Subban, please. Whatever. Is that what you call him, Subban? I did see that he put over the NHL in a big way and it got a lot of views and he was talking about the NBA's potential culture issue that they have. You guys obviously all saw that. He was putting it over his sport, but I think he said a lot of things that maybe other people

potentially think, which is why it went so big. How do you feel about the narrative that is about the NBA? Because you just, I mean, growing whatever, I don't want to know what your injury was. Growing strain, can I say I was gonna say groin soreness more than anything yeah but it don't just get sore in your groin without strain makes the narrative better so we'll go with strain well it has to be torn off the bone and you play through it correct yeah 33 through it yeah I can't believe this guy's got one half of a groin now Lance Armstrong of

groin because he lost one half of his groin which which is crazy to think about, played through it last night. But why do you think the narrative is that? Like legitimately, because you disagree with that wholeheartedly, I think. Anytime we call you, you're like, that's not true about our league though. Like, I think there's a lot of things, maybe misconception about the league

that you disagree with. Oh, 100%. I mean, people are just allowed to get on there and say whatever they want about our game, and it just takes one or two people to agree, hit retweet. And it's like the cool thing to say the NBA has a problem with what we do. But we're doing pretty well for ourselves, I'd say.

I would say as well. And I think as well. That is what people are saying. This much money, and then we're not going back to back nights. And then obviously back in the day, these guys used to play. And then there's the nostalgia speech that's happening too you're hearing all these things I assume. Yeah for sure for sure I'll talk about what the All-Star game has become and how that's such a problem

and you know guys you guys love the sitting back-to-backs I don't think that's as true as... So I think what Tyrese is saying is like that gets a couple people are doing that and everybody assumes that that is Generalized yes, it's like the whole leagues doing that's not the case. Yeah, 100% We talk about this all the time I agree with that 100% guys want to play we want to perform You've got a lot of we got older guys who are you know towards the end of their careers High level Hall of Fame guys. We got a lot of young guys coming up in the league, too So I think I think we all want to play.

How's quality of play right now? Obviously, all-star game is what it is. Pro Bowl is what it is too. I mean, there's the NHL got it right with the Four Nations. It just so happened to be at the exact same time as yours. So it went absolutely bonkers an entire thing. But whenever you talk about quality of play, how do you feel about it?

Because like football, guys are throwing the ball better, catching the ball better, running the ball better, seeing the ball better, blocking the ball better, tackling the ball. Like everything is better. That's sports. Kicking the ball better. I the ball better, running the ball better, seeing the ball better, blocking the ball better, tackling the ball better. Like everything is better, that's sports. Yeah. Kicking the ball better. I mean, evolve through everything. Do you feel like that has happened with NBA?

Cuz my argument about LeBron Jordan is always that they play two different sports. I'm not a basketball guy. Football stooge. Watch the Lake Show growing up cuz I was an insomniac kid. They were on late night. Kobe, Shaq, I mean it was an entire thing. Don't know the league inside and out. But when I watched that last dance with Michael Jordan and I saw some of the highlights that were happening, I was like hold the phone now. Like I didn't watch basketball back then. I'm from Pittsburgh,

okay. Wasn't like all the way in on, it's like the sport has evolved so much. It's tough to compare. I think both would play well in both eras if they were to be talked about but how do you feel about the current state of the game in the NBA? Well that conversation is interesting right because when you compare eros all the time I feel like football you don't really do that like you guys don't really talk about how this guy would fit if he played in the 90s like that doesn't that's not a conversation it's not a normal convo but like Dan Marino modern-day would be yeah but it's outrageous it the same in any sport top guys are gonna continue to be top guys

throughout eras but I mean time travel doesn't exist and I'm well I haven't been not that I've been in front of yet you know there's a lot of old heads I got I guess, that have things to say about me. After your next contract, they'll introduce you to it. I heard about that. I think that's a potential Halliburton thing,

not just Tyrese, right? That old heads that have a lot to say. Oh, yeah. Family business, if you will. Yeah. A lot of money. Mad Mel. Like Ole Miss.

Mad Mel, do you have a question for Tyrese? The quality of play, though? I think it's up. I think just like any sport, I think guys make shots at a higher level. We got so many guys who shoot the three well, can do so many different things well, but it's just, again, it's easy to create a narrative

that we all play the same, everybody shoots too many threes. You do. That's not true. That's not true. The league is a copycat league, right? Just like the NFL is. When a team wins a championship, teams are going to start to play more like them.

So in the last decade, the Warriors won a championship. How'd they do that? They shot a lot of threes, made a lot of jumpers. So teams want to do that. Now, Boston's won a championship. They've got five guys on the floor at all times that can shoot threes. So more teams, we've got to shoot more threes

to keep up with what they do. So you think that this is actually a decision trying to win like competitive juices are making these decisions Just like in the NFL like right now the Eagles just won Ponded pounded for Saquon is the show like AJ obviously incredible the Vaughn day phenomenal They help with the box obviously because you can't bring absolutely everybody. But it's ground and pound football over there. That's how they play.

People are trying to win championships. So it's the same. But the amount of people that are going to now do that because of the success that they're having. But in the early 2000s, in Shaq's dominating, teams are trying to get three, four centers, because they know they're going to need all of them to go foul him

and try to stay in front and do their best. You gotta try to keep up with the championship team. So Boston wins the most, they won a championship last year. They shot plenty threes. You can't play them and shoot all twos and expect to win that game. It's just, math is not gonna, it's not gonna work there. So you gotta shoot more threes.

That's how it's gonna be. So everybody's trying to chase the top and that's how I kind of get to that point. And he caught up Boston, so I know Connor will get to his point. Mad Mel eager to ask a question. Yeah, just curious. Do you think, you know, we talk about

everything with the NBA right now and how guys are maybe, I don't want to say entitled, but you guys make a shitload of money. And I'm like, listen, you, you earned that money. Way to go Ty Reese. Proud of you. Right, change your life. Go Meadows.

Do you think though, when Luka gets traded, is that kind of a wake up call for the entire league? Like, hey, life. Go Meadows. Do you think though, when Luca gets traded, is that kind of a wake up call for the entire league? Like, hey, maybe shit ain't sweet. Okay, like this guy is, you know, a future, you know, a top five player in the NBA and out of nowhere, literally out of nowhere, he gets traded. Did that send kind of a shockwave across the league? Like, okay, maybe I can't be sitting out

back to backs anymore. Because if this guy can get traded, I sure as hell can get traded as well. I mean, I feel like we all operate that way on a daily basis. I think the Luca thing might've been eye-opening that nobody's really safe. Everybody can be traded.

I think you see trades happen every year, but you don't see them to that magnitude where a top 10 player gets traded for another top 10 player. That's very uncommon. Definitely came as a surprise to the NBA world, but I think people understand what comes with the business and everybody's going to be fine where they are. You've been traded and we're very thankful for it.

Here in Indianapolis, I will say. The way you go about leading the Pacers is so good for this city. I think you're perfect for this city. Do you agree with that? I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah. I love it here. I will say the way you go about leading the Pacers is so good for this city Like I think you're perfect for this city Yeah, I love it here. You know, I'm a Midwest guy. So I feel like I fit in very well here Yeah, but you also got the flash to like flare. Yeah, you do got the flair. I like it. You're a showman I appreciate that. I appreciate it's good. I'm a fan of small market teams being good. I think it's I think that's good for the league It's yeah

Yeah, it is now let's sure. Yeah, it is. Now, let's on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. Boston Conner has a question. Yeah, you mentioned the NBA champs, Boston Celtics. And I think we can all agree no one's beating them in seven again. You know, they're looking at it back to back. I don't agree.

I think most of us can agree that that's probably the case. And one of the biggest things we've talked about here is kind of the face of the league. And Jason Tatum, who is turning 27, I believe, already an NBA champ. He's the only American last year who was first team all NBA. And he gets the most hate by far out of any of the superstars. It feels like who doesn't really deserve it.

Obviously, there are some guys that people have problems with, and beat, and things of that nature. But that's mostly because they don't play. Tatum's one of those guys that does not set out back to back. Didn't play, right, in the Olympics? Yeah, to the Olympic point, I kind of think the reason that Jason Tatum doesn't get that much love is because Steve Kerr.

And Steve Kerr is the problem for many, many reasons, the things that he does and talks about and appears on. But mostly, I think, because Tatum didn't get that USA push. We just saw with the Four Nations Cup, the Kachuk brothers are two of the faces of the NHL now. And I think a lot of people didn't like them before the Four Nations. Now they're kind of the golden boys of the NHL.

And Jason Tatum didn't get that opportunity. So Steve Kerr thinks a lot. But there's a graphic that was pulled up about Jason Tatum versus some of the greats. There it is. LeBron, MJ, Kobe, KD is on there. And he's the only one with all of those accomplishments. But for some reason, he gets so much hate.

Who made this graphic? Who made this graphic? It's a great graphic. I want to say it was the NBA Muse. Not Sentel. Not Sentel. Rest in peace. Yeah.

Peace Sentel. Extra underscore Muse. Extra underscore Muse. Rest in peace. Extra underscore Muse. Extra underscore Muse. Great graphic here. Fantastic. But with that being said, rest in peace to Centelle. We're going to miss you. We're going to miss you.

And for the people that said that was a bad account, you're completely wrong. But why do you think Jason Tatum gets so much hate? And why do you think people don't like him? Because he is one of those kind of perfect guys, even though he doesn't do that much media. Yeah, I mean, I think it's unwarranted. He's obviously, like that graphic you saw, he's an elite player in our league. Coming off, he's the best player on the best team in the NBA

of a championship. So I feel like it's not right for the hate that he gets. I mean, I think part of it could be he went to Duke and he plays on the Celtics polarizing teams. But I mean, Jason's a good dude. He's got a shoe. He's elite. Like he's got everything, you know? So I don't really understand it. I think us as players, I think he has the respect from his peers. And I think that's what means more than anything as an NBA player, the respect you get from your peers. And we we know when we play Boston you got to be ready and game plan around Jason. He mentioned the Olympics You and he were the two guys that didn't see time. You know he got in but he wasn't like he didn't play

And the way you handled it was like maybe the greatest like NBA superstar Let his team to the Eastern Conference Finals. Perfect. Like is the perfect, is king here in Indiana. And then you get on Team USA and it's like, all right, I understand my role here. You're going to be a vibes, like literally a vibes guy. Like that is literally what you became for that particular team. And everybody talks about doing that saying that if I was put in a position, I would do it. You actually did it.

I, did you become tight with the guys on the team because of that? Like what do you think was a benefit of the way your Olympic experience went, if that makes sense? Yeah, I think my favorite part was just being able to be around the guys, go to practice, and see how these guys work on a daily basis, see their habits, and be able to grow relationships. Ever since then, I have relationships with all those guys. When Golden State was here, I went to dinner with Steph. Before the Olympics, me and Steph had no relationship. I actually think he, I thought he didn't fuck with me.

And then at the Olympics, I was like, yo, are we cool? And he was like, yeah, of course. Steph's like the best guy ever. But that goes down the line with all those guys. So just being around those guys, getting to grow relationships and getting to learn from them. That was my favorite part of the show. I was there, I'm 24 years old. So just trying to learn as much as I could and you know how

that can help me be a good player in the NBA. You're a great teammate, Thornard, brother. Yeah, go American. Great American. Great American. All right, Tyrese, we appreciate the hell out of you. We know you have to travel. You're in the middle of a season right now.

We thank you for stopping by, hanging out. If our show had shifted an hour earlier, you would have been able to hang out longer. Instead, you're heading out right now, actually. So you're the man. And the Puma fit is sweet. I appreciate that. Says who? Yeah, says Pat. F1 race tonight in Miami? No, actually, he's hopping in. No, IndyCar. He's hopping in that one right there, that funny car that's up there. You're looking at the wrong place, Tyrese. Right here. Right here. The one that's kind of diagonal. Indy car, Indy car. Oh yeah, Indy car.

Big Indy car guy. My own jetty. Joseph Newgarden, you were talking about earlier? Yes, yes, yes. I'm actually trying to be a dork for Halloween, so could I get this full outfit? Look at you right now. Look at you right now.

What are you talking about? Look at me. This is what every NFL team's looking for. This is a five mile player. This is what they're looking for. Yeah, it is. What are you talking about? Look at me. This is what every NFL team's looking for. This is a five mile player. This is what they're looking for. Yeah, yeah. What are you talking about? You have no idea, pal.

You guys need to figure that out. How can we get you to do the combine? Yeah, I think we can probably make that happen. I mean, we're in here in the morning. I could probably do it today. We're here in the morning, and I think we could just kind of mosey down. You got to work the security people just like you have to at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, which you're talking about the Indy 500.

You got to have a lot of confidence when you're walking by these security people. Because once you get into building, I think everybody thinks you're okay. Getting into the building, impossible, as you found out this morning. It's a doozy. There's a lot of people there, though. It's the biggest single day sporting event

in the world, isn't it? Well, you're talking about Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Indy 500. Yeah, Indy 500, yes. Absolutely it is. For this, though, for the combine, getting into the building, tough. I think we could get on the field.

I think we could. We could get you on the field. I would would love to and if I tear my ACL I can finally sue this place and get my money back It kind of be the perfect day, you know Thank you and you come to all the Colts games which is very cold games. Yeah, okay, we beautiful. This is a great stadium. It is beautiful. Thank you. And you come to all the Colts games, which is very kind of you. I've been to Colts games. Yeah. We came from Oregon Wallen. That's right.

We're here for them. My mom came here for T. Swift. Great show. Yeah, it's a great concert stadium. It's a great stadium. Royal Rumble. Great. Why weren't you in the Rumble?

That's a good question. That's a good question. I don't know. You know what? I'm going to tell you the truth here. I wanted to be in the Rumble, and me and Triple H talked about it. And then he was like, kind of, he was just like, yeah know what, I'm going to tell you the truth here. I wanted to be in the Rumble and me and Triple H talked about it. And then he was like, kind of, he was just like, yeah, a lot of people asking if you're going to be in the Rumble and I just laugh in their face.

And I'm like, what the fuck? Middle of the season, bro. And he's like, because I think he's a little scared about me doing the middle of the season. Remember when Brunson, remember when Brunson, we got in there and he pushed himself up with the broke hand and Triple H kind of had a heart attack. So well, it's not just Triple H. Triple H also hears from a lot of people immediately afterwards, like, hey, what do we do?

What do we, can we have a little bit of- Well, SummerSlam is supposed to be here in the next five years, right? And I believe WrestleMania is- WrestleMania is during the playoffs, so that definitely isn't gonna happen. That'd be worth it though, right? I mean, you- WrestleMania grandest stage? Now you break your back, you know, big deal.

How would I have got eliminated from the Rumble? That's the issue. Bring in Jason Tatum. You think I'm taking that brawn breaker's spear? Yeah, exactly. Watch your mouth. What'd he say? He said, bring in Jason Tatum.

Listen, not in this city. You know you don't remember that. No, it wasn't this city, actually. This guy, bro, are you trying to bait me to say something negative? No, no, no, no, no. Not going to happen. He is.

Who eliminated you last year? It's a Jim Everett, Chris Everett situation going on here. He has to leave. Literally, no, no, no. Not going to happen. He is. Who will I blame in July? Hey, it's a Jim Everett, Chris Everett situation going on here. He has to leave. Literally, he has to leave. What time is it? 123.

Oh, yeah, I got to go. Yeah, yeah. Tyrese, we appreciate the hell out of you. Appreciate you. And I think the Boomer looks cool. Yeah, enjoy the race tonight. Yeah, I know. I love it.

You had a plum suit over there. Hey, I've seen you. Hey. Don't shoot. I'll be throwing shots. You can never wear plum again. Inspector Gadget, OK? What you mean? You know exactly what we mean.

You make something, you win something, you lose something. You have some, you know, not every outfit you put on is like, that shit was hot. This one is. That's just weak. That one is. This one is. That, how do we feel about this one today?

You looked in the mirror, you said, you know what, I'm killing them today. Shout out Puma. Yeah, for sure. And I'm getting on the plane cozy. Watch the Wire go to sleep. Oh. Puma. Yeah, for sure. And I'm getting on the plane cozy. Watch The Wire, go to sleep. Oh, great show. Great show.

What season? Oh, you're talking about the show in All-Star Break. Yeah, I'm on season five right now. Elite television. Without a doubt. Which show you think I should go to next? Severance. Severance is really good.

Severance kind of sucks, to be honest. You think Severance? It takes a little to build. It's very slow, but I like it. I watched three episodes. I got it. I understand it could be great. Too slow for me.

Too slow for me. But you could see why it would be great. It is a very great. Nine episodes in the first season, it takes six to build the place. It takes six to build? Seven, eight, nine. It's a crazy concept.

I'm not a series guy. He is a series guy. I would not watch series. I don't do that. But that one, watch a couple on his recommendation. You could see how it would be great. But once again, I watch wrestling and football. And basketball.

And basketball. I was like, calm down. Of course. Something a little quicker. Black Hawk Down documentary. Watch that. Unbelievable. Lioness.

Watch Prison Break. You'll love it. I heard it's a good show. You'll love it. I'm going Sopranos. White collar. State by the bell. Go Sopranos.

I mean, if we're just saying that. State by the bell. We figured you. I'm going Sopranos. White collar. Go Sopranos. I mean, if we're just sitting down. We figured you were going to sing Sopranos. We figured you were going to sing Sopranos. Tyrese, Tyrese. Tyrese. Tyrese. White collar's coming back.

Yeah, I'm not watching that. That was a very loud pop right there. I don't know if he mics. That was another one. Good luck, man. That was kind of dud. All right, guys. That was a good one, too.

Go to Starbucks. Hey, good luck. Hey, hey, hey. Head on a swivel. Be careful. Hey, stay out of those places, Miami. Head on a swivel at Starbucks, please. Hey, don't throw your back out, hey, head on a swivel. Head on a swivel. Be careful. Hey, stay out of those places. Head on a swivel at Starbucks, please.

Hey, don't throw your back out loading baggage onto the plane wearing that gear. Good point. He walked in with that jacket. We have a very kind of the people here. We got a Swede upstairs, shout out to Foss, shout out to ESPN, and then Indianapolis, which is funny because the Colts don't own the stadium. So a NFL. Yeah, we do. Yeah, that's right. Indianapolis does which is funny because the Colts don't own the stadium. So a NFL. Yeah, we do.

Yeah, that's right. Indianapolis does. Colts Nation. The NFL has to work with like the actual city, like people that work for the city. The people that work for the city all, they're pretty on board with our particular program. Yeah.

You know, everybody else kinda, you know. Not as much. Not as much, you know. So it's like the people that have the place are people. And Tyrese is the same exact, he's you know so it's like the people that have the place are our people and Tyrese is the same exact he's treated the same exact way as the people like he is beloved in this city Tyrese is great for this city perfect, but he walked in in that jacket earlier in our suite and everybody was like That's a big jacket. Well. I thought he he drove his ducati here

Well, he could have that's what gives back to your point the NBA players make a lot of money. Yes, they do. The potholes in this city. I don't think it's true. Ladies and gentlemen, men who host this game, drive it on the moon. Yeah, I mean, you just can't do it. You can't own a nice car like that. We haven't talked about it in a while because we hammered for so long on our show whenever we weren't on ESPN.

But the potholes in Indianapolis are moats. That is what they are. And I know there's other cities that have bad potholes, and other states have bad potholes, Indianapolis are moats. That is what they are. And I know there's other cities that have bad potholes and other states have bad potholes because I'm from Pennsylvania. Any four season climate normally going to have bad roads and everything like that. And everybody thinks theirs are the worst. And I think I've lived in West Virginia, I've lived in multiple states. Indiana's roads are by far the worst.

I mean these things are so deep. They're like three, four feet deep. We went on vacation, came back, I thought there was a small mortar war. Yeah, a pond, baby. Oh, a pond just started. Or like, you know those videos where the- Sickles?

Yeah, like you think that is in the middle of the road. And then there's so many of them that kind of hit, you can't even crash two 18 wheelers on a- Exactly, I was gonna say they're making their way onto the highway now, which is great, because it makes it very safe when you've got a shitload of semis going by and everything. It's awesome.

It's phenomenal. It crashed a semi into another semi, I guess, these bottles. I saw one this morning. They were giving donkey tours to the bottom up. That's what I'm saying. It's messed up. That's what I'm saying. It's like driving on the moon.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is two men that have already been to the moon and probably been back. They host the NFL Combine. They host the future of the moon. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is two men that have already been to the moon and probably been back. They host the NFL Combine, they host the future of the NFL. Ladies and gentlemen from NFL Network and from the Rich Eisen Show. Hey, we can move some sticks.

Rich Eisen, Dan and Jeremiah. Yeah, boys! Gentlemen, Michigan man's gonna bring in a ball. Well, well, well. No, he's a Michigan man. He's a Florida Mariam at heart. How you doing, Rich? Whatever you want to go. Come on, DJ. Mr. Legend of the Game. How you doing, DJ?

Mr. Sticks. Yeah, there we go. There we go. Thank you. It's good to see you guys. It is great. Hey, let's do it. Hey, the combine's here. It's Jeremiah. God, it's good to see you guys. It is great. Hey. Let's do it.

Hey, the combine's here. It is here. Let's go boys. Let's go boys. Come on boys. Let's go boys. We're ready. We're ready.

This is Daniel Jeremiah Super Bowl. This is All Eyes on DJ. This is Hey Rich Eisen. Let's go ahead and run that 40. Let's be smooth as hell. Yeah. Let's compliment everybody that's out here because there's a chance that there's

any Hall of Famer at any time walking onto this field. And this is you guys on TV for what, 45 hours straight, calling people to do exercises, right, Rich? We should raise money. It should be a telethon. It's funny, any time a large man runs really slow, I get a text from Warren Sapp saying, there's your pace car. Yeah. I appreciate it. Every single time.

You've been under 6.0 four times, I think, we did the history. Is that right? 2016's your fastest. I think if we get the, if I read the stats right, you've been under 6.0 four times throughout the history. A lot of times you've run, I mean, like 20 times, it feels like.

Do you know how many? I always tell, there it is. There's the, let me see, I see five beautiful fives up there to the left of the decimal point that is fantastic look at that form what do you think of the form it's really good is it yeah top notch for being in a suit too hey it's four under six all right it's four under six and four under six okay I thought you said five I thought I could do math how many of those did you time, DJ? Just a couple, but I did get one under six.

I don't know if that's 2018. It might be 2018. Yeah. Sounds about right. He's got a nice trigger finger. I was giving the punters yesterday, and the kicker's good. Like, I got my stopwatch right here.

Yeah. You can just delay a little bit and give a guy a 0.1. All of a sudden, he goes from 4.6 to a 4.7. That's a good punt. Let's keep this guy around. But what you've done for St. Jude with this run, Rich, run, cool thing, bro. Thank you.

Indianapolis is very lucky that you choose, or you get to do it here, I guess. Let me tell you, it's been like anything else born out of, on television, born out of complete boredom, sitting in the old RCA dome two and a half hours before shooting Total Access back when you were probably a scout or something like that. Absolutely. Where were you in 05? Yeah, I was 05.

I was with the Ravens. You were with the Ravens. So it's me. I'm sitting up in the stands. Terrell Davis, who was thinking about doing TV at the time, sitting next to me. Oh, this is great. I get to tell the story the way I normally have to clean it up.

Now I've just realized where I am right now. Welcome to my show, brother. We never get to see yours. You never get to see ours. But you know the vibes over here. I do know the vibes. So I'm sitting there, and I'm just totally bored, hearing the hum of the air conditioning

and the lights in the old RCA dome. Just stared down at the 40-yard dash, and I don't know why I popped in my head about running it. So I turn to Terrell Davis. I say, TD, how fast do you think I can run it he laughs he goes you can't run for shit and I swear to God I just said go fuck yourself it was a spite run it was a spite run and I went and I went down and I was just you know dress suited and booted lace-up you know dress. And I went and ran it and had no idea

that the crew that was on break was actually recording it. And they surprised me with it that night. And then the next day, you know, we had Joe Gibbs on and a whole bunch of other coaches came in. And they said, did we see you running a 40 yard dash last night? So right away they immediately popped the 40-yard dash up, and they were all making fun of me and having fun with it.

And I just thought nothing of it. Next year, I show up, and the first person I see at the RCA Dome is the freshly minted NFC champion coach of the Seattle Seahawks, Mike Holmgren, who goes, are you going to run it again? And I'm like, no. And he said, why not? And I'm like, I don't know.

He goes, well, you've got to beat your time. And I'm like thinking to myself, here is the NFC champion head coach, just coaching the Super Bowl, questioning my sense of competition. I have to run it. So I got to prove myself. I did. And that's why I ran it again, because of him.

And I just remember him also saying, just don't wind up there. And he pointed at the training table. And so I just kept doing it over and over and over again. And now it's 20 years. Come on, dude. That's awesome. Hell yeah, Ray. You've done so many good things, too, with that.

Obviously raising a shit ton of money, because I don't know the exact amount for St. It's over $7 million for the life of it. Awesome. Much more than a shit ton. That is amazing. It was Much more than a shit tone. That is a lot of, that's amazing. It was a spite run to begin with, and Coach Holmgren kind of motivates you to continue it.

And then he points at a training table. Have you ever hurt yourself doing it? I have, as a matter of fact. Cause, you know, running it and, you know, my wife is always sitting at home hoping that I don't embarrass myself in the family name. And then Dion was always part of our crew and I didn't want to embarrass myself in front of him. Leon Sandcastle. As a matter of fact, he did run the 40 with me one year as Leon Sandcastle and was step for step

with me in the Leon Sandcastle Afro running backwards. Backpedaling. Yeah, that's tough. You saw that? Yeah. That's a tough look. Itpedaling, yeah, that's tough. You saw it. Yeah. That's a tough look. It's a tough look, but, you know, for comedy, Pat. Yeah, it was great.

Anything for comedy. And also for D.O. Yeah, it was good for the brand on everybody's part, except for me, but it's all good. No, no, no, good, good, good. But so one year, I ran it so slow twice, and I ran it a third time because I just wanted to run it faster.

And I popped my hamstring in the middle of it. Not good. And I thought to myself, well, we're just not going to air it this year. And Mike Mayock said to me, you've got to air it. You've got to air it. And I'm like, why? And he goes, because it shows you're

just like everybody else. You're just running as fast as you possibly can. Who cares if you got hurt? And just show it. I'm like, okay, you're right. So we did it. And as soon as it airs, he goes, hey, looks like there was a sniper in the dome.

And he goes, Bill Pullian was up there with a rifle. And I'm like, well, wait a minute. You told me to show it just to set me up. Like, what the hell was that? Everybody's had that happen in sports, you know? So I think you stepping up to prove yourself that I'm not just a TV guy is such a good mentality to start that entire thing.

Hell yeah, we appreciate you, Rich. Now let's talk about some 40s that are gonna be happening here this week. And I legitimately can't wait to watch you guys. Spend a weekend with you. It's like a weekend watching a golf tournament. That's, I think, how you should view it, probably. I assume you already do as a host.

But that is how I view it. Something great happens. There's some noise. I'm going to go ahead and look. Other than that, got some background noise with the wife, with the daughter doing a thing. What do we need to keep an eye out for this week? What is the most spectacular jaw dropping thing

that you project to potentially take place this week? Well, I think there's going be some 4-2s. So we had the runner last year with Xavier Worthy, ripped off the record. I think that's probably gonna be safe, but I think there's three guys that have a chance to get close. Maxwell Hairston, a corner from Kentucky,

is kind of my favorite. Keep an eye on him as somebody that might run that thing down. Bond from Texas, the wide receivers, crazy, crazy fast. If they go Xavier Worthy from Texas, 421. To Isaiah Bond, 421, whatever, from Texas. It's like, what's the training going on down in Texas? These guys are just faster than any humans that

have ever existed. Well, I think also you're just looking at the track programs in high school, how much better they've gotten in the resources and track clubs. And these guys, they know how to run. It used to be football players, and you're trying to train and learn how to run a 40.

These guys have been coming out of a stand since they were eight, nine years old, and they're legit fast. So those guys are fun. And then defensive line, it's a stat class. Defensive tackles is loaded. Edge rushers is loaded. Linebackers today, Jahad Campbell from Alabama,

who can rush off the edge. He can play off the ball. He's going to run low 4-4 at that size. It's impressive. It is impressive. If we got good detackles, that means we got a lot of big meat moving fast. Always create good moments for NFL combine clips.

Now, Mad Mel obviously dialed in, has some questions. Yes, yes. DJ, obviously, this time of the year, the reason I love it so much is it just kind of gives me an opportunity to put my nuts right on the table. Let everybody know, hey, I know this shit inside and out. Okay, kind of, I assume you're the same way, maybe not as colorful, you know, is the way I do it,

but Adam Schafer was on the show yesterday, kind of talking about the athletes in this class and basically said, hey, listen, a guy, the top 10 here. He was getting rich. Rich, please, Rich. He's going, he's going. He's getting, well, it's fine. I mean, I get it, I get it, it all happens, but. This the top 10 here. He was getting rich. Please. He's going. He's going. He's going. Well, it's fine.

I get it. I get it. It all happens. But this guy's trying to do a little scouting. You said the difference between 10 and maybe the guy who goes to 10 and the guy who goes with 35 is very minuscule, if you will. He said, listen, a guy you get in the third round

might be just as good as the guy you take at 11. Do you agree with that sentiment? Do you think this class itself maybe isn't as deep as classes in the past? Or is it kind of one of those things where, you know, personally I believe, hey, not as great of a quarterback class. A lot of people are, you know, not going to get as excited about it. But do you buy that, that maybe there's ten guys with a true first-round grade

and that everybody else you might be able to find, you know, day two, day three? Kind of what's your take on that, DJ? First of all, have you had your pumpkin pie yet today? Obviously, start every morning. You know, a lot of people... Listen, I want to get this out of the way right now. A lot of whipped cream. A lot of whipped cream.

A lot of whipped cream. Allegedly. Whipped cream, okay? Upside down. Whipped cream, not whippets. All right? I'm not emptying a whipped cream bottle and then sucking the, you know, the CO2 out of there and getting all jacked up on Goofballs.

Yeah, nobody should be doing that. Yeah, I'm not doing that, okay? So yeah, okay, me i had half a half a pumpkin pie and about two cans of whipped cream i don't know i don't mean to evaluate i don't think that is the actual chemistry of what you suck out of a whippet what so you know yeah but if how do you know i know carbon dioxide is not in that sort of thing well no it's not but if that's all you got is an empty, you know, Wippet can or whatever. I know my chemistry, Boston. OK, fair enough, fair enough.

Back off. You're a Michigan guy. I forgot. Anyways, anyways, pumpkin. A lot of pumpkin. And then 10 to 35. The way I phrase it is it's a starter draft, maybe not a star draft.

So there's a bunch of guys very evenly graded. I like that. So you're going to find there's going to be a lot of similarity. I think I would push it back maybe more towards like 15. Then you could probably even go further down the line, like 15 to 50. You're going to see a lot of similarly graded players. That's why on the media side of things, it's hard to stack your board, because you're not with a team.

And so every team is going to have the same grades on these guys, but I'm going to prioritize the needs that I have. So I think you'll see players get picked. It'll be wildly different than where they are on boards. So who do you think are the stars then? If you're saying it's a lot of stars, who are the top guys, like the blue chip dudes,

who are going to go in and be immediate, you know huge factors for teams I mean, I think there's two stars in the draft. I think it's Abdul Carter and I think it's Travis Hunter I think those are like the blue chip elite players that Tyler Warren know I love Tyler Warren. He's my fifth overall player You got Gentie to my third player. That's what's so weird Graded the same as I have the same rate on Warren and Loveland again There that's my three of my top seven players, two tight ends and a running back. Why isn't Travis Hunter being just,

we're previewing this, but I hope you don't mind us using the Pat McAfee show. Real estate is sort of a rundown meeting here. We're here. Very good. Why isn't Travis Hunter number one overall? Because he is a unicorn. And by the way, he just came up with a sound bite of the week

as far as I'm concerned. He was asked at his press conference while I think while you were talking to Tyrese here that you know are you gonna return punts and kicks and his answer was I already have two jobs. Beast. That is a sick bar. I already have two jobs like everybody back off I'm a friggin unicorn so why why isn't he considered first overall? Yeah, he's second for me, and that more is about how special Abdul Carter is

and the position that he plays. I'm going to value somebody who can go get the quarterback in a league where I rank at quarterback, pass rushers. That's one in two of the most valuable assets you can have. And we're coming off of a Super Bowl that we just witnessed what happens when you have dominant defensive front players. Now he's unique in terms of all the different things he can do. I'm not convinced

he can run it out there a hundred snaps a game in the NFL playing against that competition for the long, prolonged season. I think he's going to have to major in minor and you've got to figure out which one of those he's going to major in, which one he's going to minor in. So I think if you were to like Chuck Pagano, for instance, he said, if you can get a lockdown corner guy that can get a lockdown corner, guy that can go on an island, you go ahead and do that. And then give him a couple of plays on offense

to take advantage of his skill set, especially with the game coming back to being a physical one. If you can go man on the outside, which I think obviously everybody wants to be able to do. But if you can go man or have a guy that can go man, I mean, that's a game changer for the rest of the box to try to stop the run, which I think is where the game's headed. I'm very fascinated by Travis Hunter because you know you ask these people is he a wide receiver is he

a cornerback and you ask him obviously he says I'm different. He said I'm different people say never been done before nobody ever done it like I do it he's I'm just different. A lot of good bars coming out Travis Hunter and I think he's uber competitive everybody says all he does is like ball. He doesn't really go out. He's supposed to be a great kid. Yeah, it works his ass off like he's 113 snaps a game I think or is some sort of record on this entire thing. So his durability has been fantastic The way he's come through, you know the prime university to be a professional athlete It's like feels like he is a can't miss type of guy

100% at one of the positions right and at one point at best too, right? And at one point of his career At best, two. Right. And at one point of his career, you'll figure which one he's going to major in specifically. And then, you know, that's why I don't know how you pass up on him. Like period. End of story. I just, the only thing I would push back on that is... Hey, DJ, listen.

Listen to us, okay? Yes. No, no, no. Wait, can we watch the end of the film? By the way, we haven't even got to Will Howard yet. I would have had that on my bingo card. It's already coming up with Pat. It's coming. Yes. No, no, no. Can we get a film? By the way, we haven't even got to Will Howard yet. I would have had that on my Bingo Carter. It's already coming up with Pat.

It's coming. I'll give you a short amount, Dom, so you can't explain it. Thank you. Thank you. But I mean, look. Abdul Carter, we watched him with one arm. So good. And the playoffs dominated.

We were there. Yeah, it was. Dominated. I got some handball stats on Abdul Carter. You want to know something crazy? This is fully recognizing Travis Hunter and his greatness I'm not so sure if they raced that Abdul Carter wouldn't win really Abdul Carter I was told it when he has a full runway to get healthy and run that he'll run in the four threes

Unbelievable as a pass rusher. So that makes sense for what hembo sent over most pressures versus Ohio State last season Abdul Carter with five Most pressures versus Oregon last season Abdul Carter was six most pressures versus Ohio State last season Abdul Carter with five most pressures versus Oregon last season Abdul Carter was six Most pressures versus Notre Dame last season Abdul Carter was seven. That was when he was injured or whatever Okay, then most pressures in 2024 inside two and a half seconds Okay, so you talk about his speed inside two and a half seconds Abdul Carter had 37 of them James Pierce, Jr Had 29 inside two point two five seconds seconds now we're getting with this is yeah Turnstile tackle type thing happened there He had 29 of those so basically only eight of them were between

225 to 25 in the next closest with James Pierce with 19 So he has as many in 2.25 seconds as Pierce had in two and a half seconds You're talking about just getting to the quarterback immediately. He's running a 4-3 this guy Yeah, but we're not gonna see it here we'll have to wait till it's pro day that's what that's how explosive he is that's that's just how any place through pain now get the foot down now right what's this foot thing so I guess they thought he might have to have surgery then the latest we heard today was that he's gonna put that he doesn't need it he's gonna be able to

go with the pro day and yeah I know right full go like if Schefter's report is accurate which we assume it is, Schefter said he had two options. Option one is get the surgery, get a bolt. Here it is right here. Option one for Carter would be to have the preemptive surgery, have a screw inserted in his right foot, and be expected back in eight weeks.

Option two for Carter would be to bypass the surgery, conduct his pro day, and prove to NFL teams that he doesn't need it, because he's probably had this for a long time without even knowing it. Maybe they checked it here in medical. my first reaction is like eight weeks, brother It's February you go ahead and get that thing done And then you go into a season especially if you're a top little on the top one guy But if you're like a top five guy like obviously there's a difference in money

But what you're about to do in the NFL is about to be a difference in money I'd get healthy, but I feel like they probably just assume that it's not that big of a deal Is that what's apparently option two is chosen this morning? Yes. That's what I heard. Yeah, but I feel like they probably just assume that it's not that big of a deal. Is that what's here? Well, apparently option two was chosen this morning, right? Yes, that's what I heard. Yeah. So do you know anything about that, DJ? No, I just said that this morning, the information, it wasn't as serious as they saw yesterday.

I don't know how that information changes from one day to the next. Different doctors, right? In a different medical? Different imaging, I guess. Really? Isn't that the thing, Rich? Yeah.

That's what this is all about. I remember, again, back in the day at the RCA Dome when I was just strolling around the Combine for the first time. And they used to split up the medical rooms by division. Like in AFC East, doctors were in one room, and in Central, and what have you. Central.

Anyway, long story short is, I went in there, is I would, you know, I went in there started talking to some doctors, which probably wouldn't be happened today. One guy told me that he in previous combines saw an x-ray and told a guy, you know, you broke your leg back in high school. And the guy's like, no, I didn't. And he showed it to him. He goes, yeah, you did. You just didn't know. You know, I'm like, they find stuff that other places just don't. When there's somebody's heart, there's a heart thing somewhere. When there are... I think Maurice Hurst out of Michigan, they found something with him that, you know, heart

related and fortunately he's, he's had a long, long career here. Yeah. Yeah. Like one team deemed him no. Yeah. And then other teams were like, yeah, we'll take this guy in top 10. Like there, it's an interesting philosophy from doctors. It happened with Kansas City with Trey Smith.

There it is. That's why he fell to the sixth round. Yeah, his knee was all screwed up and some of the doctors said, this might be a problem. And obviously he's been fantastic. And I guess just to bring this conversation full circle, Mad Mel, you're the first person to talk about nuts on the table at the combine since Chris Jones.

That's on the field, brother. That's on the field, brother. That was sitting there watching to go, oh man, he pulled his net. That's not his hamstring. Let it fly, DJ. You need to do that in there. You talk about quarterbacks. Yes, sir.

Okay. 46 minutes into the hour, got an out at 57, so I think you have more than enough time. We're good. To explain. Yep. I looked at your... Can you put his mock first first round up there again. There is a name that I I don't know if we have exact control.

Yeah, there it is. Yeah, I don't see it. Do you guys see it? Am I missing in there? Looking for a national champion is Ohio State guys. I see, yeah, I see a book is on there. I see Henderson, I see Jonathan Jackson, Dogg. This is the Wilhauer show of record. Oh, yeah, okay, he's not up there. He's not, isn't he, Rich? I don't see him. What is the deal?

Like, I love Shador, by the way. Incredibly tough. I liked Shador up there. Cam Ward, I like Cam Ward up there. Like, I am not, this is not taking away from them. This is just saying Jackson Dart, number three in this draft is what's kind of being talked about. And then Will Howard, how do you have him viewed? He's right in there.

He's not far off from Jackson Dart on grade-wise for me. And I'll give you some good Will Howard news because I knew I was going to see Pat and I knew this was the way we were going. It's all right. Pat and I. So I talked to teams that have interviewed Will Howard this week and said he's been exceptional, that he's been awesome in the room.

And I went back and I wanted to watch kind of the last tail end of games because that's when he caught fire. So after you get through the process, you watch all 330 guys we have here now, you have time to go on a little deeper dive. And the first one I started with, I want to start with Michigan, I know it went the way you wanted it to go. Oh, very much so. Yeah, it did not go the way Ohio State wanted that one to go.

But watching that tape, he took a vicious hit early in that game. He was right on the sideline. And he was not the same later on beyond that. Thought he was at Kansas State still. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. He was a wildcat. So seeing that, I kind of was at Kansas State still. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I was a wildcat. So seeing that, I kind of excused away some of that performance

because I don't know that he was all right in that game. And then he got hot and played exceptionally well. My only concern with him really is just I want to see the quarterback throw live and see the ball come out of his hand just to see, you know, if there's enough pop and there's enough juice because these receivers at Ohio State create so much separation. Agreed. That there's not really those tight window throws. because these receivers at Ohio State creates so much separation. Agreed. That there's not really those tight window throws. There's no need for them. You don't really have to make them.

There's a couple strikes. There's a couple strikes. I mean, we were on the field watch the last four games. Well, of course, a perfect one. Unbelievable. He's eyeballed it. Well, that's the thing. So we, and I'm not saying you had the same thought as us actually on CJ Stroud, but like when we do these field pass games me AJ Darius a lot of other people in I'm very lucky at the punter position I've watched a lot of football from the sideline yeah like I've literally watched a lot of football so you see some of these guys you look like oh that's a Sunday guy right like

that is clearly a different guy we saw CJ against Georgia and he had ran more than he had for the rest of the season it was like that's the guy right there that is the guy for Will Howard it was just like as we're watching him I'm like nobody's really talking he's 6'4 he's got the size 240 he's got it all the boys love him and whenever things go south especially the transfer guy that got paid a bunch of money especially with all the egos that could potentially be in that building they could have turned their back on him instead he had touchdown celebrations with dances with all of his skill.

He was able to handle personality. And then he was making these throws. Now granted, that guy's unguardable. So is everybody else, except for against Michigan, right, Rich? Oh, well, no. I mean, listen, he balled out in the playoffs. There's no two ways about it. And there's no two ways about it.

He was hurt. Michigan really hurt him in that game. And I, CJ Stroud had the best workout of a quarterback I think I've ever seen at a combine. He was here, right? And he threw. He was unreal. He threw every throw. He was dynamite.

He was amazing. My only question is Will Howard, when he throws here, is it going to be really weird for him? Because I don't think he's played in this building. Okay. Wow. All right. This is a. That's true. OK. This is the home of the Big Ten championship.

And I don't think he's. That's true. I don't think he is. Is this going to be the first time he throws in this building? OK. So let's stick on that note. Shall we?

Sure. Let's stick on that note with the Michigan. How many did Jim say yesterday? Maybe four? It's Mason Graham. It's Kenneth Grant. It's Colston Loveland. And Will Johnson.

Will Johnson, yeah. OK. So are we going to be able to continue to replenish all these guys up in Michigan? Are we a little bit worried? When you say we, what do you mean, like collectively we? No, I'm just saying are we, if I was a Michigan person.

Why would I be worried? You gave millions for Brent Centwood, right? Well, when you say you, I didn't give a dime. Oh, I thought it was you personally. No, no, no, it wasn't me. You own Oracle, right? No, no, you know, I own something that Oracle, I think, created. It's $200 billion.

What is that? What is Oracle? Database. Cloud computing? It's a great company. It's outstanding. And it's a revenue generator, Pat. But yes, the Michigan did splurge.

And it's fantastic. They finished awesome. That was great. January 1st, 2024, beating Alabama in the Rose Bowl and December 31st, beating Alabama twice in the same year around beating Ohio State. And those were just great days in my life, Pat. Yeah, you guys beat Alabama twice and Ohio State

twice in the same year. I mean, that's a- Well, yeah, I mean, in an actual calendar year, the first day of the year and the last day of the year was beating Alabama. Yeah, and then Ohio State with, you know, a walk-on quarterback and, you know, five losses. And it was just, honestly, I'd rather talk about all that.

Can I ask Pat a local question here? I think that's a great idea, whatever it might be. Do you guys have a recommendation for a good smoothie spot? Tropical Smoothie Cafes are right there. Because I've heard coffee shops not safe these days. So if I want just a little something to refresh. You're right.

Interesting. Stay away from Starbucks. Speaking of, holy shit. Holy hell. There he is. Oh my gosh. He's got a black guy. He's got a black guy.

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Yeah, okay, we see it. Rap, okay, rap. We wake up this morning. We know that the whole world knows about everything that has taken place. Okay, rap. I know. We wake up this morning. Oh, yeah. Okay. We know that the whole world knows about everything that has taken place. What's the mindset like? And where do we go from here, bub? Okay, so last night, when-

Stand more to your left. Thank you. Good TV. And back up a little bit. Yeah, it looks like you're in a mug shot. There it is. By the way, that's why- Yeah, close.

That's why you didn't get touched. Did you see that, Blatt? Did you see that's why that's why I didn't even get touched did you see that black you see that move back? Yeah. Shoulder roll in there too. Alright go ahead sorry. So last night when it all broke everyone in the world texted me wanting to know details and it was all I mean it's all out there Florio basically wrote the whole thing so there's not much to add and then woke up this morning, and everyone in the world has texted me.

Yeah. Well, we all are happy that you're both okay. We'd like to let that be known. With that being said, what is next? Are you guys going to shake hands before you get out of town, or what are we saying? I mean, I... That's what Tigger wants to see. I know! Hard pass!

He handshaked! That's freaking... He's going to the coffee bean and tea leaf from now on. Not another penny! There's actually a lot of great coffee brands at Dunkin' and Dunkin'. There it is! We're happy you're okay. We love you. Are you all right, man?

You're going to be okay? I'm okay. We miss you. You had a great season. We were watching. Miss you guys guys too. Ladies and gentlemen rap I wish you would had a neck brace on today Alright boys Cicino this this first hour is wrapping up and We'll be heading into a hard out and you guys will probably go off into the world that you were gonna do rich

We'd like to wish you Absolute best of luck as you call 45 hours of all this legitimately. We appreciate you doing it, let alone during the season. So obviously I'm on TV a lot. I do a lot of shit during the season. Boys and I do a lot of shit. We're very lucky to do it.

You do the same exact shit and you have NFL game day morning on Sunday, which is like a four hour show I think. It is indeed. So the way that you go about doing what you do in your work ethic is something that I admire massively. Right back at you. And what you're doing here every single year

does not go unnoticed about like how the length of it and everything about it. They got it right with you as the first hire for NFL Network. Thanks, pal. I appreciate that. How is the mindset going in? I'm fired up.

It's year 22. I heard you're coming on tomorrow, right? Yeah, 315. Fantastic. Very good. Right off the bat. You think I've got a camera? No, dude. We will have a camera for you.

I'll make sure of that. I'll make sure. Specialist Showcase was not a show. Just learned that on the fly in the moment. But it was lucky to be there. Rich, I appreciate you. And DJ, I can't wait to watch all of the preparation and hard work that you put in over the last few months

kind of be on display throughout the entire combine. You're the man. I appreciate you guys. Somebody's running a couple of four twos, he said. Yeah, that's crazy. And I'm gonna dismiss the one name you didn't say. I won't be one of them. He's one of the three.

Yeah, I will not be me. So, and quick, we got like 20 seconds. For DJ, what does he need to look out for, maybe from your standpoint? Today we talked about Kenneth Grant and then Shamar Stewart. There was a couple others. Shamar Stewart is gonna work out.

And Jehad Campbell too. Yeah, we talked about this. Yeah, anybody not gonna work out? Mason Grant, should bet. How, we talked about this. Yeah, anybody not going to work out? Mason Grant, you're special. How much time do you have? No, my god. We're out of time. It'll be a great combine.

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ESPN+, Disney+, YouTube, and TikTok Live. We are the dumbest group of humans that get to do this every day, and we can't thank you enough. Now, one of our guys is missing, and it's a shame. If you could send out your Ts and Ps to Ty Schmidt, we'd be incredibly grateful for that. We think you'll be back soon, but we're not 100% sure. The Toxic Table is representing still.

At Boston Conner, rocking an Undertaker hat and a Tim Robinson t-shirt. We think you'll be back soon, but we're not 100% sure. The Toxic Table is representing still at Boston Connor, rocking an Undertaker hat and a Tim Robinson t-shirt. You look amazing here for day two of Combine, pal. Yeah, thank you very much. I'm glad we had Tyree Sean, so I wasn't the worst dressed person here, but this is my favorite shirt. It's got kind of the everything you want in one person. It's kind of exactly what you're looking for when

you're coming to the Combine. You want someone who can pull off all these looks. you want in one person. It's kind of exactly what you're looking for when you're coming to the combine. You want someone who can pull off all these looks. You know, the what the hell with the fantastic Fedora flap, the hot dog, we've got to find this guy, the I don't want to be around anymore guy. I mean, it really is the dangerous night's crew. Yeah, there's no driving crew.

There's no cough and drop. I don't think cough and drop is represented on the room. No, no, no. CoreCopTV, we are still trying to save cough and flop. But no, it's just got some of the most iconic ones. We don't have all of them. But it's impossible to fit all of them onto one shirt. I mean, you got everything.

You got the sloppy stakes. You can do whatever. There's a lot here. Yeah, yeah, it's sloppy. Slop them up, you know? But yeah, it's one of my favorite shirts. I appreciate it. Yeah, no problem.

You look great. And obviously, any Tim Robinson gear is welcomed on any particular program that we have. If you have a Detroiters thing coming up next We can't wait to see it now joining you at the talk stable not Ty Schmidt per use. It's actually Mad Mel Kiper What are your thoughts on Rich eyes and Dana Jeremiah and the combine as a whole here pal Oh, you know just again absolutely unbelievable being here in Indianapolis It's just great being around a bunch of people who look up to you and have said, this is

the reason I got into this. Guys like you really paved the way for me to be able to break down the combine, look at all the different prospects and go through their intangibles, their athleticism, all the requisite abilities they're going to need to perform in the NFL. So it's nice coming here and I don't want to pat myself on the back too much, but basically being the king of the city for a week. Yeah, and you're the king of every city we think. And speaking of, there goes Rapp. Rapp, we love you Rapp.

Careful Rapp. What a couple days for that guy. Careful. That's not a Starbucks cup. Yep. And I don't think there will ever be another Starbucks. We love you Rapp. We love you Rapp.

Try Java House Rapp. One half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys, Tone Diggs is here. Tone, big day today at the Combine. A lot of the hammer, done. Cowboys, 10 digs is here, Tone. Big day today at the combine. A lot of things are going to happen here. Yeah, a lot of big human beings moving quickly today. There was a couple guys that I picked out that are going to be working out today that are going to work out really well. Starting with Kenneth Grant, he's a

DTACL out of Michigan. He's 6'3", 3'42". He actually said yesterday that he dropped to 3'30 for the combine so that he could run in the 4'7", 4'8", range at 3'33", 3'40". So he is going to be a huge people mover to watch today. Another one is Jalen Walker, who was the Buccus award winner. He actually won that over Abdul Carter for the best defensive player in the country. He's 6'2", 2'50", and they say he could probably

run in a 4'4 range. Linebacker out of Alabama, Jihad Campbell, who is an off-ball linebacker, but he came out of high school playing edge. He is 6'3, 250, who's also going to run in the 4'4 today. And his state, when he sees the ball, he just go gets it. He's awesome. And then the last one out of Texas A&M,

Shemar Stewart, who is just a freak. He is 6'6, 280, and they think he's a five star coming out and he think he can run in the four fives today at 6'6, like 272.80. So yeah, there's a lot of freaks, a lot of them out of the SEC coming out today who are gonna run well. Of course you're on ESPN so you're gonna say that. This guy man. That makes sense. One was from Michigan though, but no there's to be a lot of big dudes running fast.

That's kind of been the tradition. Not tradition. The way that the draft has gone. A lot of guys getting bigger, and a lot of guys getting faster. A lot of workouts, a lot of meetings, a lot of medical. Also, a lot of people speaking to the media. We heard Brett Veach speak on the Travis Kelsey future.

Conversation and speculation. We heard Coach Andy Reid speak on the speculation of Travis Kelsey's future and I decided to reach out to source says who know in say like hey what's are we still are we are we playing next year to my source says and the message was my dog exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point three source says says I'm coming back for sure gonna try and get to the best shape I've been this offseason and get back to the mountaintop got a real bad taste in my mouth with how I played in that last game

And how I got the guys ready for battle. I can't go out like that exclamation point exclamation point Exclamation point and guess what? One more exclamation Wow huge okay, so that's the Travis Kelsey future conversation. He's probably coming back I think I think he's probably I think he could say. I think you'd say Travis Kelsey is coming back to play football yet again. And I think he had that idea I would assume before the Super Bowl whenever he did media day. He said in three years I see myself playing football yet.

But then with the way that game goes knowing that he is an Ohio guy who's a football guy with how everything has gone and what his career has been. Remember the Chiefs weren't always good when he was on that team. He had to persevere. He had to continue to grow, evolve. He got better as a player, as a human I would assume he would predict, as a professional everything. And then he's gotten to the point now where he's in goat conversations with anybody that's talking about tight ends. That's a situation that doesn't happen to many players in the history of the game. And obviously he is representing our sport fantastically while dating the most famous

person on earth. We love Travis. Now, obviously, whenever you're in the public eye, there are going to be things that are going to come out from people's mouths that aren't as positive all the time. There's going to be reasons for people to find to hate Travis Kelsey. There's going to be reasons for people to find to hate the Kansas City Chiefs. There's going to be reasons for people to hate Taylor Swift, even though a lot of it makes no sense to me.

Sometimes, if you're just on the top of the mountain, people are going to throw rocks at things that shine. Shout out Taylor Swift for that particular quote. But what you can't deny is the greatness of Travis Kelsey. You can't deny that he is one of one. You can't deny that he is an anomaly. You can't deny that he is one of one. You can't deny that he is an anomaly. You can't deny that the guy loves ball. Fully committed. And in the Andy Reid accountability driven type building, I don't think enough credit is given about this guy being an absolute dog. Day in,

day out, showing up to work, already great, already rich, already has a resume, already in the Hall of Fame. And it's like, he's a guy that loves ball and We love travis and i'm excited to see him get back on the field Getting the best shape that he's been i'm excited to see what that means because a lot of people think he could potentially get distracted By taylor I think he gets motivated by Taylor. Yes, I think like those two being together Makes them both want to continue to grow and get even better. I'm excited to see what he looks like coming back next year. Yeah, and look what they do every off season. The Kansas City Chiefs, they reload.

You know, I assume after the game, there are probably some thoughts like, hey, if Rashi Rice is out on that field, if we are fully healthy, and no team by the time they get to the Super Bowls, fully healthy. But I assume those thoughts creep in. He just started kind of coaching Rashi Rice up. Like, he was off to a historic start

for the Kansas City Chiefs, Rashid Rice, before he was out for the season. Then even just look at his brother. When his brother Jason lost to Super Bowl of the Chiefs, he came back for a year. Obviously last year the Eagles lose to the Bucs in the first round. He ends up retiring.

I bet Jason Kelsey probably wished he didn't retire. He's open about it. He says he didn't. Yeah, exactly. So it's one of those things too. And if you were to talk to the closest people around him, I bet their advice would be like, hey, why the hell would you retire?

You guys are still in prime position to go back to the Super Bowl. It's not like after that loss, they're going to completely crumble. They still have Mahomes. It's still Andy Reid. Their team is still unbelievable. Guys still want to go to Kansas City and, you know,

ring chase and kind of be in the conversation as one of those top four teams in the league. And it feels like the Chiefs are going to be right back where they were last year. And Kelsey being in the best shape of his life, I'm sure they're going to be even better. And they were the one seed, so who knows? We talked about how, you know, everybody said

they were playing bad as being the chip on this team that's in the middle of a dynastic run back-to-back world champions And then people are saying this team's not good this team's not good all that does and I think AJ brought it up When he was there Super Bowl week at Radio Row he is on a cruise right now for Ohio State in the middle of the Caribbean He'll be back next week But he chit-chatted about how you know all you people that are saying you hate the Chiefs And you think they're bad and all that stuff like you are their motivation like when those guys get to the top of the mountain they're trying to find chips to put on the shoulder so now

getting your ass beat in your stage that is your state the Super Bowl has become your residency and play bad get your ass beat people chirp loud it's like there's almost like I assume a resurgence that's about to happen in that Kansas City building. Do you feel the same Mad Mel? Yeah, without a doubt. And then also people, you know, on top of it are cherry picking plays, you know, from from the game when they're getting killed and saying, Oh, this guy doesn't care anymore. You know, this guy doesn't want to play hard anymore. And I think, you know, a big part of it too, is they talk about, Hey, the media aspect, he's going to be able to get whatever, whatever job he wants, he's going to be on whatever pregame desk he wants, he's in the next, you know,

Happy Gilmore movie, all that kind of stuff. So why would you play? You're gonna be one of the biggest stars on the planet. All that stuff's still gonna be there, okay? This guy isn't gonna wake up tomorrow and all of a sudden not be able to play football anymore, not wanna play football anymore. I think you mentioned it, it's a big part of it.

You date someone like Taylor Swift, like you're not just, you know, riding coattails and saying, oh, she's a billionaire, I'm gonna be able to do nothing. And he's very wealthy on his own, but you see how hard she works touring everywhere, having 150, 200 shows a year, going to every single continent. If you're in love with someone

and you're around someone all the time, like guess what? That's reigniting that fire in your own body to say, hey, you know what like connor mentioned i could be a better me i'm gonna get in the best shape of my life okay we're not that we just lost in the super bowl who's listen the chiefs are gonna be around okay they're gonna have an opportunity to win another super bowl next year it makes sense i mean kelsey's gonna play until the wheels fall off madmel you do love do love love, don't you? Who doesn't? There are people out there that want to-

The devil. Satan? Satan. I bet he does love love. I think he does love love, actually. With himself. So there is- Yeah.

I guess that'd be more of an infatuation, some people would say. Yeah. Yeah, lust, I suppose you could say. But a lot of people said that their relationship was all bullshit, but it turns out that their relationship might be the greatest thing that has happened in like the zeitgeist of the most famous people on earth. And then also for Travis Kelsey to be like, oh, I can, cause you watch greats. He's, he is one in the NFL, how they work, how they go about doing their thing, how you can continue to learn and evolve and get better as you go through.

People are always trying to take shit from other people. You know, like Tyree said, the biggest thing about the Olympics was watching the other guys work and how they go about doing their Things like whenever we get to go watch the WWE do their thing and we see them do stuff and it's like hmm You can learn from that I'm assuming that Travis is learning a lot of shit about a lot of shit from Taylor because she is hmm we're talking about the one here and her work ethic and I've heard some songs, you know through my wife and

She's dated some bums that has not worked out. Without a doubt. I think the reason why this is going to work out is because Travis is not a bum. He's Ohio guy, football guy. He's got a work ethic. Yeah. You know, he wants to continue. So I love everything about him.

Let's not forget, Mahomes is in his revenge hair era as well. He's been waiting to cut that hair. For years. I said it last year. He said in that quarterback documentary. He said, I don't want to be the dad with a mullet. I want to cut my hair, but we're winning. So I can't.

It's hard for me. He cut it pretty quickly. Yeah, he couldn't wait. As soon as that game was over, he thought to himself. He looks a lot younger, too. Yeah, he looks good. I think this is exactly what he potentially thought. Maybe sometimes he pulled his hair back and was like,

I can look like an adult if I really want to do it and that was his words not ours correct and he did he pulled the trigger now Texas Tech that kid buried that putt you said full-court putt that was sweet Patrick jumped up with the thing looks like he's obviously he had a shiny he loves it he does he's good hey I the Chiefs is still the Chiefs I think yeah you know the Eagles is definitely the Eagles without a doubt yeah we need, even though the Eagles is definitely the Eagles. Without a doubt. Yeah, we need to remember that the Eagles is definitely the Eagles. I bet you the Chiefs probably take a couple of alignment in this draft.

Yeah, that's what Andy Reid did the last time they lost in the Super Bowl to a team that got a lot of pressure and were able to do their thing to an offensive line. They reloaded the offensive line. So let's assume they'll do the same this off season. Coach Matt Ruhl from Nebraska formerly of the Carolina Panthers and oflor, Ann Temple will join us in about 25 minutes or so. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is ESPN fantasy expert, draft guru, football genius, ladies and gentlemen, Field Yates. Yeah, Field! Good to see ya. Okay. What up, dude?

Good to see you, dude. I was clean. Good dap, Puffs. All the way around. Yeah, I was pretty clean. That was big. The dap? I knew Matt Mell was gonna be. I couldn't let him dap. Alright, so we need to... Pull this up.

The cord, the cord, up Accord accord now other way We kind of set you up to fail there, okay That was rich and you got to lift that yeah, and you can tighten if you need to there we go now We're good better field you look great Field somehow you look younger this year than he did last year done in Madmo. He does he does clean shaven Yeah, that's what it was right now? I haven't shaved in a while, so it doesn't make much of a difference, unfortunately. Yeah, that's actually a two week, five hour-

Yeah, it's Valentine's Day. Valentine's Day, I shave right before the big night out. Okay, so let's talk about this time of year. Obviously very exciting for you, draft boards. Yes. You know, potential draft picks, combine scouting. What is your big takeaway? What are you into right now?

What is the big conversation point around Field Yates right now? I love I mean I love the combine we get not just because it's here in Indianapolis but also because it allows you to fill in some of the blanks on some of these prospects. You know players that are further down the board I don't think are gonna move as much for me but some of the players at the very top you're trying to get a great feel of hey I might think this guy is the tenth best player in the draft but maybe some people around the NFL think he's closer to 15 or 20.

And in some cases, as ridiculous as it may seem, you guys all know this now, there are some positions and some players that the difference between a 4-4-8-40 and a 4-5-2-40 could be the difference between going 10th or 20th overall. He's not going to work out this week, but Will Johnson, cornerback from Michigan, is a good example of somebody that I'm thinking of when

I talk about the difference of a 5 100th of a second, that this guy who was a great player for his entire college career, but if you just look at historical trends, there aren't that many 4, 5, or slower corners that have gone in the first 8, 10, 12 picks. So he couldn't influence it. Yeah, you got to move him to safety in there. That was just a ridiculous thing to do, truthfully. So we couldn't influence it. Yeah, you got to move them safety in there.

That was just a ridiculous thing to do. Truthfully, the guy was such a great player at Michigan, but the league has told us, and we see it every year, guys slide down just a little bit because of a 40-yard dash or the three cone, whatever it might be. Xavier Warr, they just ran a 4-2-1. They're saying two more guys are about to run 4-2s, including another wide receiver.

That's why the corners have to be fast. Got to be fast, yeah. It's like it is a unicorn island out there. Now, this is not me downgrading anybody's football ability, especially old buddy Will out at Michigan. I'm not saying that. But having enough, being able to put your ego aside enough to move positions to go to the NFL is a big part of this whole thing as well. I think learning about the guys personally is what a lot of these coaches kind of want to find out about here at the combine. How have you heard about those things going?

I've heard more feedback already this week about the interviews than anything that's taking place or probably anything that will take place over these next few days. And usually it's not like the average. Usually the guys that you sit there and you say to yourself, I don't know if that guy is that great of a player, but at least I know the floor is high because of the human that he is, or there's a guy that seemingly has all the talent in the world and you just don't feel like when you make this guy, well, maybe not, with the NL or some of these guys already are extremely well paid, but like for some of these guys, they're gonna become overnight millionaires and listen, we all at a certain age of our life, 22, 23 years old, if you handed me a seven figure check,

it'd be hard to keep your focus and motivation. Anybody that's gonna get a seven figure check from this draft is already a millionaire. Yeah, that's probably true. Yeah, yeah, that's the world that we're in right now. It's true, yeah. Which goes back to the people, hold on though, that goes back to like trying to find people

that still are dogs, that still work hard. Yeah, totally. And still wanna go and get it, you know, because they've been rich for a while. Caleb Williams was trying to start an investment fund before he got drafted. It's like this guy has enough money to start a fund before he even gets drafted. It's like how's he going to continue to maintain motivation? It's like, well, he's chasing greatness. It's like not everybody in every position is doing that though and you've got to find those guys. Totally. You know, I actually used a couple years ago

and I wasn't doing this role for ESPN. So I wasn't as deep in the weeds on the draft coverage. But Puka Nakuwa obviously becomes this unbelievable fifth round pick. And so what I told myself going into last year's draft. Great bowler. Unbelievable bowler. How allegedly?

Guy does it all. I said, I'm gonna start surveying scouts and just say like, give me a player that fits the Puka Nakuwa mold. Not in the sense that you think he's going to become an all-pro right away, but regardless of how talented or not talented he is, you're betting on the person, and you're just saying to yourself like, I'll take 22 of those guys and feel like I got a shot.

And so I sort of did that exercise this year as well, and I'm not talking about guys that are going to go necessarily in the first round, but it is interesting when you hear the guys that are going to go in the first round, like I just got to, it's the first thing that comes to mind. He goes, Travis Hunter goes, no doubt. He goes, do you understand the discipline it takes to not just play 115 snaps a game is ridiculous. Literally nobody else does it right.

But twice the positional meetings, twice the film study, like just the conditioning is a huge aspect to it. And he was like, I don't care. Also can't be putting any bad things in your body. There's like a level of professionalism that has to be there. Totally. Every human body would break down. They almost said like, you know, maybe this isn't the perfect word, but it's almost like

he's almost boring in some ways in the sense that like it's ball and more ball, right? Like there's not a lot of distraction in Travis Hunter's life, which with the amount of money that I'm sure he's making and the amount of people that I'm sure want a piece of him for him to avoid that distraction I think only reinforces why not just one of the best prospects in the draft but also probably one of the best like people in the draft you can count on whether he goes one probably somewhere between one and four by the time it's all said and done. Okay, so this is a Question for what you guys do. Yeah, okay the whole draft mock thing

Why are people saying this is a deep three to five Draft class if it's a deep three to five why aren't they two or one like I don't know what that means I don't think I know exactly what that means like Hey, the fifth rounders, really good this year. Well, why aren't they fourth rounders? I don't think I fully understand. So can you understand the framing whenever that's said, as opposed to what my mindset is, like, well, if they're better, then why aren't they?

Right, why don't you just move up the board? If they're so good in the third, why don't they just become second to first? It is a good question. And I thought about this because I was going through, I keep a sort of a running document of these guys because the process begins for the draft really, basically like May of the preceding year.

So guys like Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders, who you knew were gonna be highly regarded prospects this year, you start looking at them initially, not doing every last bit of homework you're gonna do on them, but you start to get a sense. And I think like I was realizing like I called a lot of guys when I was looking like you know has the look of a third round pick and you're like,

what does that even mean? Yes. And it's like, I think where I landed slower for a little slower wider seer but has great you know has great hands right or like, you know, he's a smaller guy, but he's tough and he blocks and you're just sort of like, is that is that the spectrum you should be evaluating these players on? Because it does feel like that has become the theme of this class, is that you'd much rather have a bunch of bites at the apple from,

call it 75 to 150 as opposed to the team that has two first round picks, which interestingly enough, we have no, there have been no traded picks for the first time in a long time in the first round. There will be at some point, but it's a very clean draft in terms of the order to begin. Well, you trade whenever you're desperate for a certain position, and that position has not been talked about in high regards,

which leads to mad mail, I assume. Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask you about, Field. Obviously, you know, in your most recent mock draft, you didn't have any trades in there. Yeah. You know, didn't have any trades in the first round. You made that rule, Mel. Well, I had to, because we don't know.

But when you look at this draft, and everyone's talking about, hey, what are the Tennessee Titans going to do with the first pick? Do you feel like we're going to have next to no trades in the first round, because teams just aren't going to be as desperate to give an absolute ransom to move up when we might only have 10 to 15 guys with true first round grades.

I think we'll end up having some trades at the top for this reason. It kind of reminds me of where we were from picks 9 through 12 last year, where at 10, the Jets end up trading back to 11 with the Vikings. And you're like, why are you moving up one spot? It was just to beat the Broncos. It was to ensure that Denver didn't move ahead of the Vikings and you're like, why are you moving up one spot? It was just to beat the Broncos, right? It was to ensure that Denver didn't move ahead

of the Vikings and potentially draft. J.J. McCarthy, who as we know, was Minnesota's preferred target there. Like that could happen at the top. If you look at the order there, like if the, let's imagine a world in which the Giants and the Raiders don't land a veteran quarterback, they need to draft the quarterback early, right?

Well, the Jets may be in the same boat. Like, if they go into the draft with only Tyrod Taylor and Jordan Travis, who was their fifth-round pick last year, they're probably saying to themselves, we'd like a young quarterback too. So if the Jets call the Jaguars and say, we're trying to get ahead of Vegas, that might cause a chain reaction that might lead to Vegas calling the Patriots and saying, we're trying to get back ahead of the Jets. So I think we'll see some tinkering there.

And because you're right, like, and now I'm starting to wonder whether I should even use this contract anymore. There's not as many guys that like in every single draft class would be regarded as clear cut first round picks. You might see some movement there in the 20 to 32 range. Just because. Some of it's just because, but like a few years ago,

like the Bills moved up to get Dalton Kincaid and the Jags moved up to get Anton Harrison like you start to see that stuff. Also the guys the the teams that are on the the earlier pick side of that particular trader like yeah we'll take a little bonus because we're not 100 percent sold on somebody so it's an easier deal maybe to get done in this particular draft class if you start listening to the way it is. So maybe there is more action than we expect because it's easier to kind of finagle around. I do think it's one of the best parts of the draft too. Like I just I find it always like exciting when you got Travis going one there.

Yeah, yeah. You got Travis going one which then would lead Cleveland saying we're not passing on Abdul Carter. Yeah, I know though this mock was before Shefty came out and basically said like the Browns are taking a quarterback at number two you might as well. I wouldn't go as far as Sharpie but like we're and basically said the Browns are taking a quarterback at number two, you might as well. I wouldn't go as far as Sharpie, but we're thinking about the Browns and Kim Ward might be the fit there.

I feel like the two non-quarterbacks are the two best players in the draft. Obviously, if the quarterback hits, it's more valuable. I just haven't had the same level of confidence in these two quarterbacks as I had with the three at the top last year for sure. But even I think JJ McCarthy would be like a healthy debate with these two players. JJ obviously was the fifth quarterback taking, but I viewed him as the fourth. I mean, you're talking about a number three overall pick.

Like whenever he's saying, I don't feel as good about as last year's quarterbacks or whatever, like people are going to say he's talking down on these, still the number three overall pick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like this is not it. Yeah, this is not it. And they're gonna go high. Like I think the floor for either of these guys is probably like, I just can't imagine both of them

don't end up in the first seven to nine picks. And it could end up being first two out of three picks. And the reality is that like, in the case of a team like the Giants, I say this all the time, with the owner comes out and says, after the season, we're keeping our head coach and our GM, it means they got to get something done the next year,

or else they won't be around beyond that season. So if you're the Giants and you don't swing a trade for Matthew Stafford or find somebody on the veteran market, you're not going into next year with, they don't have a quarterback on the roster right now, but you're not going back on, you're not going to like re-sign Drew Locker. Tom Devito?

Yeah, Tommy Cutlets and say, hey, we're going to save the job. Tommy Cutley, jeez. So, yeah, these guys are really hard. How do you feel about Italian's field? I love them. Yeah, how about you, Tom? Thank you. I don't know how you could.

Yeah. Connor has a question for you. You know what? I had some good meals down in Epcot. I know you were at Disney last week, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Italy and Epcot? They have the best food offerings in the entire place.

Did you get there or no? No, I just, I didn't make it to the whole world thing. I should have, but we were there with a daughter. Yeah, around the world. I wanna do the- Drink around the world. Gotta drink around the world. Yeah, so-

Boozed up. Gotta do it. But then if, yeah, I think McKenzie's gonna have to be a little bit older. Yeah. Probably have a couple friends. Yeah, that's what we did. Our three-year-old was, I mean,

she was in her happy place, it was great. Dude, it was awesome. The best. I had such a good time down great. Dude, it was awesome. The best. I had such a good time down there. Oh, it's awesome. Watching her just lose her mind was crazy. And then I just cut everybody at Guardians of the Galaxy and looked like the biggest asshole.

How did that go? It worked? No, I looked like the biggest asshole of all time. But when you got on the ride and then kind of, when you cleared the room. Yeah. You forget pretty quick. This is awesome.

No. Go ahead, Conor. Go ahead, Don. So obviously right now, everyone's kind of waiting to see what happens with Stafford and Rogers and some, Connor. Yeah, so obviously right now, everyone's kind of waiting to see what happens with Stafford and Rogers and some other guys. Do you think it is possible where if there is none of those quarterback sign

in those first three picks between Cleveland, the Giants, and Tennessee, who I think we all consider teams that are looking for quarterbacks, that there's a trade up to one where, let's say, Tennessee ends up being a Stafford or a Rogers destination, where they might end up moving the first pick. Or do you even see where, even if the Giants were to get a Rogers or something along those lines, that they still might just take a quarterback,

because they don't want to be or expect to be up there in the next few years? I think what's interesting for Tennessee is that they might be able to drum up a bidding war between Cleveland and the Giants. And not that either one of them would for sure make that move up there, but just because, you'll hear this often, I think DJ may have said it

just a few minutes ago as well, I think the league on average views Cam Ward as a higher rated prospect than Choudour Sanders. But if the Giants say, hey listen, we're bigger Choudour Sanders. But if the Giants say, hey, listen, we're bigger Choudour Sanders guys than Cam Ward guys, or we're bigger Cam Ward guys than Choudour Sanders guys, and Cleveland might see it the same way, then you're not going to settle, right?

Like, teams view quarterbacks, it's like house hunting. Like, you've got different preferences than other people do, what you actually want in that player. So Tennessee might be able to say, hey, if we think Cleveland and New York are both, they would both take Cam Ward without a problem but would bypass Jadour Sanders, might be able to create some leverage there

and potentially move down. The difference that Tennessee has in those guys, they both, all three teams need a quarterback. But first year GM, second year head coach Brian Callahan, they don't need to solve the quarterback situation right now to make sure that they're still going in 2026 and beyond. And while Will Levis, you know, there's more questions and answers so far, still young enough and he was a highly drafted enough player, you could probably talk yourself into another year of trying to develop him a little bit

further. I'm fascinated by, you know, like if the Raiders draft a quarterback, which everybody's assuming, or maybe they get a veteran quarterback, depending upon who's skiing where. Yeah, they go. When and all that type of stuff. It's like you go to a team with Tom Brady is the one of the owners. That's a pretty good spot, seemingly, even though you wouldn't expect that. And the Raiders are like, we need a quarterback.

We need a quarterback in this world. Be nice to go to a place with Tom as a potential mentor automatically. Yeah, and everyone wants a young quarterback. And Sam Darnold's sitting there at, what, 27? 28. It's not like he's 35. Like, you can get him for 10 years.

One game, that last game. One game. Last two games. Last two. True, true. Last two games. Influential couple of games. Yeah, Sam came out really young.

I think he was the youngest of those five quarterbacks that went in the first round back in 2018 so it seems weird to think that he's still whatever very much in the prime of his career whatever you define as prime as but Sam will do well for himself in a couple weeks here. Yeah while we're talking quarterbacks I wanted to ask you about Quintin Ubers because this time not this time last year but let's say after the draft last year he was basically a guaranteed first round pick and then it came up we thought he was playing all season long

with a sprained oblique or whatever it was. Comes out he was playing all season with a torn oblique. People you're talking to, does that make a difference? Are they watching his 2024 tape differently and maybe reverting back to 2023? Is his stock going to rise because it came out that he was playing all year with a torn oblique? Yeah, I think some people that I talked to

had a general sense that was what Quinn was dealing with. And they admire the play through that. Absolutely. Texasably. Yeah, I think some people that I talked to had a general sense that was what Quinn was dealing with. And they admire the tough, I mean, the play through that. Absolutely. Texas boy. Yeah. And you know, like Texas had somebody, we all know they had Arch waiting in the wings. It wasn't like he played because the only option Texas had at quarterback was him. And if you know, he's letting his entire team down if he doesn't play and they're going

to go whatever five and seven or something. Quinn was, had an interesting year this year. The Michigan game back in week two of the college football season looked great. We're in this time of the NFL. We're not all, but so many of these quarterbacks have the ability to impact you with their legs, right? These guys are probably better athletes now

than they ever have been, with some exceptions, Stafford types and a few others, but for the most part, you think about some of the best quarterbacks in the AFC and entry championship games. It's Jalen Hurts and Jaden Daniels and then Patrick Bahomes and Josh Allen. Four guys that can really impact the game with their legs. So Quinn's not really going to do that. The arm strength is the part that's come into evaluation with that

context because like... It's hard to throw with. Yeah, it doesn't look like a cannon arm, but when you've got really little ability to kind of torque your frame and drive footballs, it It's gonna look like it did for much of this past year So I think this this week we're talking about the interviews at the beginning of this segment Like this would be a good week for Quinn in that regard, right? I think he's got some natural leadership skills and he'll do well like in terms of meeting with coaches and getting a better feel For the kind of person he is I

Did guess right now probably feels like round three for Quinn? But that could be influenced a lot by not just the interviews this week, but also the medical evaluations. As doctors say, hey, I know you're playing through it for the past four months, but it's not going to be an issue come OTA is remaining camp. I'll tell you, if you're looking for a guy that loves ball, especially at the quarterback position, which you're going

to want, playing through a very significant real injury, especially at the quarterback role, would be a good place to start the conversation. He's been a star since what high school. I remember with Muller getting millions of dollars he had to travel up to Ohio State. Skip the senior year. Yeah absolutely. The original NIL right?

He was the first guy that put it on the map really. And he evolved from the 17 year old into this 22 year old that he is or 21 year old whatever he is with you know dieting and life happening and football happening and everything. It's like you know a lot of guys that I think could be great. Like Cam Ward, every time I see a video of him and the way he operates, it's like, it feels like he's a good leader. It feels like.

And then Shador Sanders toughness and that in itself of leadership and then everything he's been around is like, he could be a great pro. I think there's a lot of guys where it's like, these guys can be great pros, as opposed to each year, there's a conversation like, this guy will be a great pro.

That's kind of the difference. Yeah, and i think that this year too like and we should probably remind ourselves of this more every year but like where you end up and who you end up with can influence your outlook so much i'm not like i think jaden daniels uh you know the best recent example like i think jaden was probably due for success probably anywhere he went but i think that his success somewhere else might not have been quite to the level that it was in Washington last year with a coach that had been there and done that and a coordinator that had been a head coach and played a lot of plays

and some good veterans around him. And so I think this year, like, the fit for these guys will influence the outlook so much more. Probably the best example from last year's class, truthfully, is Bo Nix because Bo had a ton. He played forever in college, had a ton of experience. And it wasn't that Bo didn't have a lot of good tape, it was the question was did Bo do enough things during his time at Oregon that if that was all he was capable of doing at the NFL level would they travel right?

Like the average depth of his targets at Oregon last year, a lot of it was just dink-dunk and let the guys do the hard work after the catch right but the reality for Oregon was that this is like why will we bother like do we need both go bombs away when we're crushing teams every single week putting up 45 points and thrown for 450 yards. And then in Denver he showed like you know he had a couple of ropes this past year like him and Marvin. Yeah, and Sean Payton's offense is

perfect for perfect yet you know the offensive line was amongst the best in the NFL. Like that was a great thing. You talked about Bo playing a lot of football, which I think is a big deal. That's becoming the new talking point for some of these quarterbacks who played a lot of ball. Kam's played a lot of ball. Five years, yeah.

Shador's played a lot of ball. Four full years. Jackson's played a lot of ball. Yep. Will's played a lot of ball. Yeah, a lot of experience. Really, if you think about the guys that probably have a chance to go early amongst the least in terms

of the quarterback construct, like Jalen Milrow, like a two-year starter is probably the least experience. I'd say there's a lot of spots. But that's still, I mean, two years, we've seen guys in recent drafts one season and they're getting taken. Shit, Tyler Shuck's been there for eight years. Yeah, Tyler Shuck, who, man, that guy's interesting.

He's going to have a good week out here throwing the ball. Like he, he really, it's really natural for him. He was a highly regarded recruit coming out of high school way back in the day. He ended up at Oregon, Texas second, then finished up at Louisville this past season. 26 on I think September 28th. So the age will be a factor there, but I don't know.

I tend to think of it with these quarterbacks that are playing until 35, 36. Like you could have a decade of Tyler Shuck if you believe enough in the player. Yeah, Whedon came in 27. Yeah, exactly. Played pitch for the Yankees. If, when you look at a guy like Jalen Milro, who maybe didn't

have the greatest senior bowl, how much can he kind of erase that this week at the Combiner? Is that kind of, hey, he's in the barn. This guy's got tiny hands, and he played like shit at the senior bowl. It is what it is. You tell us, man. What do you think? Well, you know, his hands are small, very small.

So guess what? He better be going to a warm weather city. OK, and I don't know, you know, do you want to so fast? You want to draft a quarterback? He's faster than everybody. He is. But do you want to draft a quarterback in a second round who your game plan is going to be, all right, hey, listen, we're going to give you 40 carries today. Maybe we're not going to throw the football. Hey, it's power football world. I'd like him, I would, and this takes the right starting quarterback

ahead of him who's willing to let somebody else take a package of plays away from him. But I like Jalen right away as getting like almost like a platoon role for a team at quarterback because you're right, the passing down a mobile was inconsistent. It was inconsistent this past season. If he runs, I don't know if he will run, but it's going to be amongst the fastest times of any player here this week at the combine.

And if you get an offensive coordinator, and I tend to think right now we're sort of seeing the haves and the have nots in the NFL. Like you just watch a game and you know if the coordinator knows what he's doing. One that knows what he's doing with this guy will find a way to take advantage of this speed because, you know, I know we're, I just mentioned

we're in this era of like incredibly athletic quarterbacks. He'd be on the short list for most athletic the minute he walks into an NFL. I think, I think every coach that either coached at Alabama or played against Alabama, I forget, said he would be the best running back in the SEC if he was a running back. I mean, it's like not even a question.

Yeah, Bill O'Brien tried to make it happen, which actually gave a spike to Jalen Milrow. And obviously Alabama was able to win a lot of games with Jalen Milrow, a quarterback. And that is a good thing. But in college ball and NFL ball, it is different. That's just a matter of fact, the way it operates, the way it goes.

It's like Jalen gets on a team, put him as an ex-back. Yeah, you have to take some snaps, have him do the tush push if you want to do. He's incredibly strong, and he is loved in that locker room. The boys love Jalen Milrow. Yeah, spent a little time around him, both in the senior bowl and prior to that. He's an easy guy.

I mean, he comes from a background military parent, super disciplined, like the guy is a great leader. Like, I really do believe the right team will have Jalen Milrow not just find success, but sooner rather than later. Like I just, if you look at all the singular traits that the various players in this class have, his rushing ability is one of the more undeniable ones. And he's got a cannon down the field as well.

He's got to totally refine the short intermediate passing game work. But he can chuck it down the field. And you can just imagine some mad scientist offensive coordinator who runs the ball with him 12 straight times. And the next thing you know, fake the run and just bombs away for a 50-yard touchdown. Yeah, I can't wait to watch how it all pans out.

You know, there's going to be a lot of guys that get drafted that suck, too. That's true. Let's never forget that. Most of them usually. Most of them usually. Yeah, percentages tell us a lot of these guys right out here, they can be selling insurance.

Yeah. They're going to be doing. Very well, though. Right. Strength coach. There's going to be a lot of strength coaches out here. Yeah, some big boys. Coaches, future coaches out here.

Yeah, you bet. But out here, there's going to be Hall of Famers. Oh, yeah. That's right. That's the beauty of it. There's been probably less buzz around this draft class in total compared to last year's just because the

Talent of the top is not regarded as the same way. I Think this is a great draft for scouting departments that know what they're doing man Like I bet the Rams who have done a great your former scout, right? Is that correct? Yeah, but I can't take too much credit for you know It was the Chiefs before they were what they are now, but you are a scout I worked yeah, I worked for the Chiefs for a couple of seasons, and then things got a lot better. So maybe I was the problem, not the solution. OK.

But Bill, last season during the draft, Bill Belichick trusted you. Yeah, Bill, who I worked with the Patriots prior to the time in Kansas City. And that was very, very cool to see Bill take a look at that top 50 and use it during the extravaganza, which Green Bay, doing it again. Spectacular.

Spectacular, excuse me. That was a bad one there. You were in the right you know too busy thinking about this great point I was gonna make that probably won't be that great now this is a draft that I can imagine the teams like the Rams who have nailed the draft in recent years by just finding guys in all parts like all corners right like it's the first round picked your adverse was great but like second round pick Braden Fisk and then you know two years ago Puka Nakula in the fifth, like Cam Kenshins in the third round last year.

They're probably sitting there saying, you guys don't like it? We'll take round three for five and just feast on it. Hey, that was a good point. You said it wasn't going to be a good point. That was a great point. That was a great point. My grateful team now, they're going to have a great draft.

Yeah, I mean. I think pick four is looking good right now. I think those two quarterbacks could end up like if you if you end up if you have to settle for one of Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter. Paul. Yes, please. Sprint that card in. Yes, please.

I'll let you do the honors of sprinting in. I'd be fantastic. I want one of those two so bad. What do we got compensation and opportunity? That's right. That's a variable. Yeah, there was a new update about T Higgins though, that they're not going to rush to T Higgins, allegedly.

That's cause T Higgins is allegedly not gonna be let out of the building down here. So why would you, you know? True. That's an interesting leverage play there, probably by all sides. Excited to see how it all works out. Draft season is the greatest and that's when we get a chance

to watch this big brain on this baby face operate at science level. We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen. Feel the age. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate you, yay. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you, Field. Appreciate you, man.

You look really cool. You look really, really cool. Really, really cool. All right, Field. Appreciate that. I look really cool. I got this. Always do.

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They got rid of it. It's gone. Wow. Yeah, Elon got rid of it. No, I believe He's yep, the milks fine the cookie Getting a little price. I was listening to you and fields podcast earlier on the drive-in. It's pretty good first draft great show You mad Mel you in of course, I remember. Yeah. Yeah, I know that that happens Is he focus or? First draft. Please, not a fantasy guy, okay,

not doing that bullshit. I wasn't sure which part. Yeah, yeah, first draft, you know, twice a week, I believe. We got a potential far of sitch brewing with the program. Oh no. Oh no.

What? Allegedly. With what? Which, if you check the tape, I think we're, I mean, we gotta cover the biggest news. Oh, no way. Serious? Yeah, yeah.

Potential. I mean, it's being, yeah. And I, hey, been down this road before. Gotta talk about everything that's being talked about. It's all out there. Especially if the whole world's being talked about it. Especially if you don't use any names. No names.

No names. Obviously situation, if real, allegedly, not a good one, which we said. We tied it to the full, I mean that's, hey, when you're talking daily sports world, and you're talking daily topical pop culture stuff, I mean that's gonna happen. We're okay in the kitchen though, by the way.

The far of one we said some things. We didn't say anything. Yeah, we feel good in the kitchen though by the way. Yeah the far one we said some things that we didn't say anything. Yeah we feel good in the kitchen just like that that is our we didn't create this is happening this is allegedly the reporting though was everywhere so we feel okay joining us now ladies and gentlemen he's a man who had his time in the NFL did not work out came back to college ball we assume it will work out because when he's coaching a college he has success has done it everywhere he's ever been now he's at Nebraska ladies and gentlemen the head coach coach man rule

Coach coach how are we Nebraska Nebraska's in Adidas school. See you coach. Nebraska's in Adidas school. Always got some clean shoes. Right behind you. Good work Connor. Connor, good work. Hold on, the wire's in there.

The wire's wrapped around the thing. We gotta fit, no it's ours. The field did that. Yeah, it's happened the last three times. Coach, good to see you. Coach, good to see you. Okay, it's ours. Yeah, it's happened the last three times coach. Good to see you coach good to see you Okay, how do we feel now we're we're all the way back in a college ball full-time last time we chatted with you is transition Going into Nebraska. I do believe how's life you're giving a lot of great takes on the state of college football and what has changed since The last time you're in college football. How do we feel now? Where are you at right now with college ball and the Nebraska program?

Well, Nebraska's in a great place. You know, it's winning time. You know, we broke the nine-year bowl drought. You know, not what we want, but we made some positive things. Okay, okay. Here we go. Let's go, Hush. It's always been year three for you.

It's been year three, so a little pressure on me, right? My wife's already planning some different things. I'm like, honey, let's wait until we win before we start spending all that money. It happened at Temple, it happened at Baylor. You know, you get your culture in there, get your guys in there, have to flip over. That's why you get hired as a head coach at a place, is to change the culture and do your thing.

What is it about this particular year, or maybe this particular team where you're at, where it's like, yeah, we went to, we go to a bowl game last year, but it's winning time now. Why do you think that with this squad? You know, cause we played the best teams in the league last year. We played Ohio State, great team, lost 21-17. Lost a bunch of games at the wire.

And people start talking about a curse and all these different things. I told the guys, I said, forget that. It's more talent. It's us being bigger, stronger, better. So year three, young quarterback. He's going to be really good next year. Really good defense, got some weapons. Portal's going to be really good next year. Really good defense. Got some weapons.

Portal's been good to us. So I think we'll be pretty good. What are you in the middle of? Spring ball right now? Matt drills. Matt, so I'll be here tonight. I flew here today. Support the boys.

Fly back tonight. 530 tomorrow morning on the mat. Let's go. Let's go. Old school. Matt drill is like a the I don't want to say death camp Pretty close 5 30 a.m. Though is a the boys aren't sleeping the night before cuz they're scared They're gonna miss the alarm if you show up late to this. It's over. That's where you're at right now

Yes, it's not good, but it's a you know I told the guys I talked to a couple of guys when they come out here They're like thinking about running the 40 they're nervous like man. What if I run this what if I run that? Sometimes you just gotta go do it so nervous like man what if I run this what if I run that sometimes you just gotta go do it so early on in their college career man twice a week show up Matt drills lay it on the line show what you can do it's hard embrace hard things you know kick the drills ass and see what happens I should done the research but obviously didn't even know you're out here until we you sent me a message and

I'm like yo if you we would love to talk to you I saw coach Pagano right there that's a coach thank goodness you're back in coaching. Football needs men like Chuck Pagano. Well, I love that and we agree, and he is all the way back in. He's excited. You can see a little glow and a little bounce about him that he's back in the world.

You football guys are certainly a different animal, a different breed and everything like that. But getting you to come on here, I appreciate it. Your guys, how many guys, I should have done more research, do you have out there? And what do you think is gonna happen with your dudes during this combine experience? Yeah, we have four guys at the combine Ty Robinson our our our great defensive tackle is gonna run today I mean, he's one of your kind of guys like you would love this guy. I mean good guys

tough hard-nosed blue-collar great athlete Went to go to medical school when he's done. Medical school. Hell, maybe not one far guy. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think so. But a real guy.

And we have Thomas Fanoni tied in. We have Isaiah Neywar, receiver. And we have Tommy Hill Corner. So we have four guys here, a couple other guys that maybe should have been here. So first time in a long time to have this many. So we're starting to get the thing up and running. That's awesome.

Tony has a question for you. Coach, you are in the news recently, you in Texas, for the spring game, whether you guys are going to do the spring game or not. So I got to ask you about that. Was it because other teams looking at the film of your spring game, guys not getting enough time in the spring game, so they want to transfer

in that spring portal window? What was the thinking behind the spring game? I don't know if the announcement's been made or what has been happening with your spring game, but there was definitely the news for maybe not playing the spring game this year. Yeah, what else was going on? Yeah, I was kind of the first guy that said it. Yes, you were.

It took a little bit of heat, and then all of a sudden everybody starts coming in behind. Hey, that's a good idea. So I think it was two things. Last year we had our spring game, Big Ten Network, everyone's watching, it's re-aired, re-aired, re-aired, and all of a sudden I got a line outside my door on Monday. Hey, coach, so-and-so called me from here,

so-and-so called me from there, so, you know, what advantage is it for me? I love our fans, we're gonna do something for the fans, but what's the advantage of showing all my young talent and letting other coaches come in and try to tamper with them? And to be quite honest, and you know, I'm not a perfect guy,

I sat there watching the FCS playoffs, watching those great teams at Montana State, and some kid makes a play and I'm like, who is that guy? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Get out of the way. That's right. Bring him in.

So I'm like, why would I put my guys out there? I mean, I want my guys to be taken care of, but that's a tough time, April, May, man. We gotta get ready for the season, so we'll make some changes. The two portals is crazy. And I'm experiencing this right now with Rich Rod going back to West Virginia,

because these guys come in, the first portal, then they get a spring with Rich now, right? Now they get a spring with, hey, it's gonna be run a little bit different, I think, than what it had been being run like around here for a little bit. And then right after spring, you're only a couple months out from the season,

guys can hit again and it's like that needs to be. What is your thoughts? How do we fix this? One portal time? One transfer window? One portal. Think about it. Basketball has one portal. So why would basketball have one and we have two? It's because our season is different. I get it. But whether it's in January, December, or April. April, just keep the April one. But then you're a couple months out. Yeah, I mean, how many people leave in April

and have a lot of success two months later? Like, I literally could, if I wanted to, I could say, who am I playing week one? And see who goes in the portal from them and take them, and then know what they're gonna do against us. But I'm with you, whatever's best for the student athlete, but I think we should pick one. I don't want to negotiate a contract with a guy in December and then renegotiate again

in April. Like, you sign up with us, you should sign up for the year. Coaches sign up for the year. And so, let's do once a year, whatever's best, if it's April, if it's December. I will say this, I thought it was terrible for the young men, not just for the teams, but for the young men, The guys had to make a decision do I play with my team in the college football playoff or do I go into the playoff? Or go in the portal because that's what's best for me. So I think one portal window would be way better.

Hey that college football playoff timing of the transfer portal window being in there was weird and then some schools were letting their guys be in the portal and then also on the team some places weren't available. I don't know. That was a weird scene popping out there because you know whenever people stopped be in the portal and then also on the team some places weren't available. I don't know that was a weird scene popping out there because you know whenever people stop playing in the bowl games it was like the we're gonna go to the toilet bowl out here guys not playing because you don't want to get hurt. College football playoff game it's like there was conversations that people not playing and it's like come on man this is what we're here for no doubt it's literally what the entire year is all about you you and I and I

think anybody that watches college ball excited that the players are getting compens. But there's a ruling coming right that's supposed to put some guard rails on it. Have you heard anything about that? And how do you think that like, how many years until we get this thing kind of straightened out? Because you are old college football guy. You know, it's been around a long time. And also a professional guy who's been around the professional operation, which I think is good for you, especially how Bill and Lombardi feel going back to North Carolina. They feel like having the NFL experience is a good thing, not a bad thing.

I assume you feel the same way. But how many years you think until there is some sort of, like what the hell's going on? I think this winter is the first time that I feel like, you know what, we might get a handle on this. I think, you know, Commissioner Sankey in the SEC, Tony Petite at the Big Ten, who obviously comes and talks to us.

I want the players to be taken care of. What I don't want is guys playing at four colleges in four years, because, you know, hey, I'm the highest bidder. Now I'm the highest bidder. The one thing in football is the desperate team sets the market. And so if a desperate team comes in

and they're trying to steal you away from me, and hey, I'll give you $100,000 more, but it's not a good situation, like there has to be some guardrails. And I think we're trying to steal you away from me and hey, I'll give you $100,000 more, but it's not a good situation. There has to be some guardrails and I think we're starting to figure out, we're on the precipice of it being the right, where hey, we can sign some contracts,

multi-year deals maybe, but if you do want to leave, like a coach leaves, they pay a buyout, maybe there's a buyout, I don't know if that's gonna happen, but I'm feeling better that it might happen. Big 10, kind of running shit. Oh yeah. Mad Mel has a question for you. Yeah, speaking of that know early in the season you said how hey listen Big Ten

is best conference in college football. Paul Feinbaum obviously you know mouthpiece for the SEC kind of takes a pot shot at you and says hey you haven't done anything yet why don't you just focus on winning at Nebraska and then I loved it how you came back and you know you dunked on him pretty good after you know I think it was after Ohio State won. But like Pat mentioned, the Big Ten kind of dominated the college football playoff. When you look back at the last season in the new Big Ten,

you know, different travel, all that kind of stuff, do you guys feel like you're where you're at, where you need to be in order to compete, you know, with Oregon and USC and Ohio State and Penn State and kind of all these other places who have basically said, hey, listen, we're all in. We're going to, you know, boosters, all that kind of stuff. We're going to put as much money as we need to to kind of get this thing going in the right direction.

Yeah, I think this will be the first year where we're on a level playing field and it's this new settlement, right? So we're going to be spending the same amount of money on our roster that everyone else is. You know, Ohio State, Oregon, They made huge investments last year good for them We've been making big investments, but not at the level they were making it because they were just ahead of us This new thing now will kind of even things out and I will say this kudos to Arizona State places like that that one at The level they did

Let me Kenny's at Kenny's a coach now. He's a real lot of respect from all you I assume 100% that team played really well, but long term I mean Kenny's a coach now. He's a real coach. A lot of respect from all you, I assume. 100%, 100%. That team played really well. But long-term, I mean, if you want something, now you gotta invest something into it. And so we're at a point now at Nebraska, we have the best facilities in the country, elite fan base.

Being in the middle part of the country now, in the big tons, a good thing. Like I don't have four hour flights. I have a two hour flight to LA, a two hour flight to Penn State. That felt pretty good about where we are. Two hours to LA from Nebraska hour flight to Penn State That's all pretty good about two hours LA from the brass 215 That's us you don't got a heavy jet stream coming Going this way going on. Oh going this way. We're coming back. Yeah, yeah, do 15

Yeah, I don't know Gumpy and I did a six hour flight from here to San Diego because we had a four thousand knot headwind I think is what they thought. We were just sitting in the sky. Just sitting in the sky. It felt like forever. I believe we're coming up to a hard at here. Like here in a matter of moments. Like right now. Did that just happen? Oh, I thought it was 55. 5430. 5325. Okay, so we got 15 seconds here. I thought we 54 30 yeah, we've got a two-week break. Yeah, coach two-week break now I didn't want to cut you off because you're giving such a great answer. I was actually looking at the clock I was thinking to myself we're in trouble But whenever we continue this program after the hard out will still be live on YouTube ESPN plus Disney plus and tick-tock live How much social media have you been doing?

You've been doing the dances, you've been doing the TikTok and Coach Ruhl? So I walked in the training table the other day and Harper Murray, our all-American volleyball player, was sitting there with my nine-year-old. She said, Coach Ruhl, we're gonna go do a TikTok. Not my anti-TikTok, I won't let the kids have it. They're all that smart, all that, you get it.

And my nine-year-old's like, what are you gonna say to Harper? And I was like, oh, have fun. So I've had to download TikTok and I found my daughter all over. She finds people in the facility. I thought I saw 35 of my football players doing TikToks. Why'd you feel?

Well, one of them did it in the facility, which is a hard no. So our strength coach did a TikTok workout this morning with the freshmen. They were pushing plates, pushing plates with their bios and all their cool stuff on there that they love to post pushing the play with their bio. That's amazing.

I got to tell you the last part. I know we've heard of they were doing wall sits at the end and every freshman had to get out and do a 10 second tick tock dance while the rest of the guys did the wall. Welcome to old school. That was literally a you. You ended that story right at the end and even got our pop in there. That's good TV work. That's good TV work right there.

Okay. We're still live obviously on the internet and everything like that. You said welcome to old school. Yeah. Coach Rod, I'm talking to him. Same exact thing. I think a lot of people are kind of scared to go that way. A lot of the old school coaches and a lot of the good teams aren't.

So how have you stayed committed throughout all of the, because I'm assuming there's a lot of people that have said, you know, maybe you do this, maybe you don't do that. And you say, yeah, we're doing TikTok workouts this one. You think it's cute. Okay. That's cute. It's funny. Yeah. I can't read the entirety of the entire, as we roll in there, how have you been able to maintain that? And don't you think that's a necessity to win at football? Like I think at football, you need to be disciplined, you need to be tough, you need to be bought in. Like I legitimately think that. And they're trying to change it it seems like.

And if you change it you're not gonna win. They're trying to change it everywhere. I think a couple of things. I think back to all the great players I've coached. Christian McCaffrey, Stefan Gilmour, Dion Dawkins in college, Hassan Reddick. Those guys all wanted that kind of stuff. Like they wanted to get coached. When you coach Christian McCaffrey, you'd sit there and watch a play and

you were so locked in because he used to come over and say, hey, did I read that wrong? He wanted real feedback. So all this soft stuff, all the research says it's wrong. The best people in the world don't want it that way. So I think it's my job to do its best for the players. And if they don't want it and they want to transfer, so be it. But we always say, hey, I'm going to treat you like my own son. Well, my son comes home with a seed. Julie Ruhl comes across the couch and swinging on him. So we're going to treat our players the same way. We're pushing slice with a big C on top of it. Wow, that's pretty heavy sledge you got here. Yeah. I think that's, I mean, I think it's a necessity in football. I legitimately think it is. And if you don't have it and

you lose it, it's gone forever. So you trying to set your culture. That makes sense why year three potentially becomes the time. Go ahead, Con man. Yeah. New necessity too. And I should have done more research and I should know this, but you know, like the GM role in college is now becoming a thing. Andrew Luck is back in Stanford. You know, Pat mentioned Michael Lombardi is now becoming a thing. Andrew Luck is back in Stanford. You know, Pat mentioned Michael Lombardi with Belichick at UNC. Do you guys have a GM? Is that something where you guys have a working relationship?

And what exactly, you know, is on his plate versus yours? Or is it very much so like a working relationship? You're giving him stuff like players from Montana State, hey, go and call this guy immediately. How has that relationship? Yeah, when we came back in, Sean Patton has been with me forever, took over as the GM. Brilliant, smart, and Michael Lombardi has always been a great friend of ours,

a resource. His house down the shore is like two towns up from mine. Okay. We always go to see Mike and he's a great, great man, has helped me for years. Sean recently moved into a new role. All he's doing now is like contracts, because it's a big role now, dealing with agents. I'm here, he's in the hotels here talking to agents.

They're talking to NFL guys and college guys at the same time, because that's the new normal. And we just hired a guy named Pat Stewart from the New England Patriots, was with us at Cleveland, excuse me, with us at Carolina. He'll be our new GM So we're just taking our personal department which used to be four guys then it was eight now It's now it's the NFL in college. Yeah, and it's what it's what you need to have a chance rich yesterday Like everything you're saying Rich Rod has been saying like for the last, you know, since he's got back to West Virginia

We're hearing him at the press conference. He said Rockale, Rock Hill, my daughter and I were looking at the guide or whatever it is. I don't know if you even still have that from 2006, whenever we were here, he said, I had 10 members on the staff. He said we had two GAs on offense. I think we had two GAs on defense. We had one, uh, equipment manager guy with everything else and we somehow were able to do it then. So I assume we're able to do it now. Now it's like 50, you got a consultant 50 you got a consultant you got advisors you got these people you got this expert you got nutritionist ours quit but it's like Nate's big big operation a big business obviously I

think is probably the reason why right that's right that's right um we had the same statement the other day we were sitting in our mat drills and the players hadn't run in yet and there might have been like 90 people in there. And Phil Snow, who's like my mentor in coaching, you know, he's 68 years old. DC, DC. Yeah, DC for years. And he was like, Matt, you know, we used to have 12 people out here.

What the hell? Why we have all these people? But it's a new world, right? And everyone wants to get involved in it. People will work for not a lot of money to get their foot started. And it is big business and we're spending a lot of money. We're spending $20.5 million on athletes this year at Nebraska.

I mean, just think about that now. Hey, let's go Nebraska. That's awesome. So you need to have the best. Volleyball players? Volleyball players, I mean they are. Real deal. I wanted to fly here yesterday and come here last night.

And they're like, we have a new coach, Danny Busboom Kelly from Louisville, elite coach, former player there. And they're like, no, coach, Danny has the plane. You'll get it tomorrow morning. And I was like, I get it. Volleyball is volleyball in the practice. Selanat Stadium. Yeah, that's right.

Selanat Stadium there. Last question here from Tony. We appreciate you, coach. Yeah, coach. You made some coordinator news kind of at the end of last year bringing in Dana Holgersson and now I believe he is going to be your full time. OC, is it nice having like a former head coach on the staff as well? And then how's him and Dylan Raul's relationship been through the off season? Yeah, I think we beat Wisconsin week 11 to go to,

we hadn't beat them in 12 years to go to the bowl season, which was awesome. The next week we lost to Iowa and it was like a gut punch, you know, the way we lost. We do that. Yeah, so, which I respect, trust me, I respect. But the next day Dylan was like, coach, I'm all in. And Dana was like, I'm all in. Okay. And they both were kind of like, hey, if he's in, I'm in. It wasn't anything about me. But that felt great because I think they have a great relationship.

Dana's what I'm not. Dana's aggressive offensively. He wants to, I mean there's sometimes he calls things and I'm like, oh my word, we're doing that Dana? He's like, but it works. So I love it. So I was so happy to get him and you're right. You know, when you're a head coach,

I can't pick up the phone and call up Coach Ferentz and be like, hey coach, what do you think I should be doing here? So to have someone else who's been there, who knows what that feels like is a great resource. He's electrifying too. He's electraful. We got to see it at obviously at West Virginia and then he goes down to Texas Tech I believe and does his thing. It's like watching him, chatting with him, loves ball. God, he loves ball. Ryo is going to be a guy, huh? He's going to be a guy. Yeah, he'll be a guy. Already is, I guess.

Is he cutting his hair now that Mahomes cut his hair? No, no. It's funny. If I'm being honest, I think he was going to cut his hair anyway. And then when Mahomes did, I was like, you can't do enough. Oh, no. OK.

Oh, no. Sure. That's the whole situation. Listen, if this guy's in your culture and your building, I got respect for him. A lot of things can be said about him because he is very popular. And obviously, he was committed somewhere.

And then he goes to Nebraska, family ties and everything like that. But he went out and played. There was a ball. I think I did it on game day. There's a throw where guys coming guys running right in his face. Take just just running right in his face and he sits in there, takes it and delivers a go ball down and it's in the bucket. And he's a freshman it's like this guy's got it like that's the thing you don't know if

a guy has or not especially if he's highly recruited or getting the money it's like I think in there's a couple plays that I saw where I'm like this guy's gonna be a guy and it's because I think tough and you get to see more of it but if you're able to sit in the pocket and take a big-time shot and deliver a ball it's like that's the separator I think you know we're here in Indianapolis racing is the thing Indy 500 is a big-time shot and deliver a ball it's like that's a separator I think you know we're here in Indianapolis racing is the thing Indy 500 is a big deal there's a lot of drivers that can go 198, 199 can't go over 200 miles an hour so that's like the separator like hey over 200 miles an

hour how do you feel are you comfortable you're not comfortable you're gonna get in here they're going 230 here at Indy 500 and everything like in 225 whatever it is so it's like a separator I think the separate the quarterback position is can you take a shot and deliver the ball? Like, do you courage? Can you do it? Physically, can you do it? And then once again, play clock's running.

Can you get back up and go deliver again? I watch him do that a lot. And with the way you talk about old school football, you have to love that about this highly recruited guy, I would assume. I love the kid. And he came there, his parents trusted him to come here, and he came there not because of my offensive philosophy, because I'm not renowned for that.

It's the other part. I do not want him showing up someday as the first pick and going to some team in New York or some team in LA and all of a sudden for the first time in his life experiencing adversity. So yeah, he has fun, he runs around, he celebrates, he does other things, but he's in there every morning at six. And when he doesn't do something right, he's hearing about it from me. And if he misses a nutrition appointment and he wants to show up to throwing,

and I'm like, no, you're not allowed to throw today because you missed your nutrition appointment. So he's getting all that stuff. So whatever team gets him in three years, they're gonna get a guy. And so yeah. You would hope that that would happen everywhere. Yeah, in most places that does.

But I'm just saying, be 19 and be famous. Be 19 and be famous. He's 19, he's famous, but I'll say this. When my two daughters walk in the building, he stops whatever he does. He's like Vivy, Leon, and when he sees the AD son walk in, he knows their names. He sees my wife, Miss Julie.

He's a great kid. Social media paints people different ways. I wish all of our kids were like Dylan is. And you know what, we're all works in progress. But if tomorrow morning, the natural isn't good, he's gonna hear about it and he'll do it again the next day, so don't worry about him, he'll be fine. Okay, that is awesome news.

And I'm thankful to hear that there's dogs out there still. And it sounds like there's gonna be a lot of them coming from Nebraska. Can't wait to watch how you guys do. Thank you for making time for us. And we can't wait to watch year three with Nebraska. Like we've seen year three at Baylor, year three at Temple. You know, there's a chance, what?

Does game day make an appearance out there? Last year I said you'd be there and I didn't quite pull my weight. So just give it time. Okay. I feel good. Love to go. That river in Brazos. You do that thing on the side where you're in the end zone.

You guys are talking. Simulcast playoffs. Has a coach ever walked over and talked to you in the middle of a Simulcast? No I don't think so. You ran by Saban. The O-line coach. Yeah Justin Fry. But Fry is an old Temple guy.

But Fry and I were thinking so if you're from Temple you don't care about anything. The online coach Justin Fry yellow shit at you right the fries an old temple guy We find I work to get so if you're from temple, you don't care about anything But he was you're so tough. He was giving me this because I picked against Ohio State. Oh, that's different I'm talking about right come over and say Pat. What do you think bro? Do you think yeah, we go for that? Yeah, we would certainly love that that would certainly be I just put right that down When the time comes That's college football playoff. Actually, that contract is up. Actually, we don't know if that's ever gonna happen again.

It was a great time. Hell of a run. We got to see a lot of iconic games. Bro, we're just there, and obviously you get to do it all the time. But like, just being there, feeling, the college world is just different. Isn't it, it's great to be back in the college world.

I love it. I love everything about it. At Nebraska, they fill up what? Like hours before the game kicks off. And back in the college world. I love it. I love everything about it on Nebraska They fill up what like hours before the game kicks off And here's the reason why they show up an hour before the game to watch the kids that might not get in the game But there are still Huskers and that's a loyalty unlike anything else like like they show up to watch Johnny and Steve Just watch them go and give a cheer. I mean, that's just a different level of loyalty to their team. Well, sounds like it has the makings to be great.

Now, Iowa is certainly lurking. Listen, I will say, because I was one of the big, like, hey, this Nebraska-Iowa, like, this isn't a rivalry, OK? We can play it the day after Thanksgiving. That's horseshit. It is a rivalry now. It is. I'm bought in.

If I may say two things, one of the best moments of my life as a college football coach was at the end of the first quarter looking up and waving at those kids. I'm telling you now that was- That's cool, isn't it? That was as powerful a thing as I've ever been through in my life and thinking about like,

what are they going through? Like I'm sitting here like in pain about the third down call and I'm like, what are we talking about? So that was amazing. And I have a lot of respect for Iowa and Coach Ferentz and all those things. And I'm like, what are we talking about? So that was amazing. And I have a lot of respect for Iowa and Coach Farrant and all those things. And you know, I know it's a rivalry, but I never talk about rivalries.

I'm like, hey, this game, this game, this game. But after this year, after everything happened, I'm gonna tell you right now. Got a little sauce on it. North Philly mat rule might be back. Okay, okay, we like that. Them Johns need to feel it over there. That's right.

And when you think about like the hospital, because I was very lucky here to be back. Okay, okay, we like that. Them Johns need to feel it over there. That's right. And when you think about like the hospital, because I was very lucky here to be a cult, there's a lot of community work, you know. You know, there's hospitals and the kids obviously going through it, but the families, like the families, the anxiety, the amount of time, everything that they're not able to do because they're fully focused on their children, let alone being scared at all times that it's over. So like when I see that wave and they show the thing and it's obviously the kids,

the parents watching the kids be happy and have that moment like legit, I get just like you, like the first time I saw it, I was like, it's interesting. And then you're like, kind of really start thinking about it. And now that I'm a dad, it's like the chills that you would get probably in that moment, Iowa is a beautiful place, creates beautiful people.

Well, I'll tell you what, they're in it now against the Nebraska, because there's a little sauce coming from North Philly. We appreciate the hell out of you, Coach. Good luck out there. You're the man. All right, we're going to take a break. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change their life.

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It is the second on field day of workouts for this year's NFL Combine. We're lucky to be here. The toxic table looks a little different as Ty Schmidt is out with something. Hopefully he'll be back soon. We send our best wishes. The toxic table at Boston Conner at Mad Mel Kuiper. Mad Mel, how you feeling about today pal? Absolutely fantastic. I'm ready to get down there and get some measurements that maybe not everybody else is gonna be looking at. You know we'll just leave it there. I don't necessarily need to go in,

but you know, we got a lot of beef down there. So we're gonna, you know, guys take the field in about 30 minutes here. We're gonna get down there and kind of, you know, get the tape measure out and be looking at some things that maybe not every scout, maybe not every draft Nick is gonna be looking at. That's what I'm really interested in.

Well, yesterday I saw you had your eyes on the punters, kickers and snappers as I walked had your eyes on the punters, kickers, and snappers. As I walked down there, ended the show early, went down there to host the specialist showcase that I thought was going to be on television. Should have been on television. Very electrifying. Was nowhere to be found, but we did get some clips out of it

all. And I got a chance to be back around kickers, punters, and snappers. I had a blast down there. And I know you were evaluating with a keen eye. I was maybe Pat you could dive into this a little bit more I think the biggest takeaway especially when you talk about the IPP the International Player Program had a lot of guys from you know different pathways. I think it's International Player Pathway. IPPP.

Well I always call it the program okay so they can call it the pathway if they want back when I you know kind of mentioned to the NFL hey we need to get we've grow the game we're gonna make this thing more global can call it the pathway if they want. Back when I, you know, kind of mentioned to the NFL, hey, we need to get, we need to grow the game. We need to make this thing more global. I called it the program, now it's the pathway. Either way, guys need to learn how to catch the goddamn football. That's kind of my big takeaway. Maybe, maybe you, you know, but well, listen, I'm just saying, hey, growing up in America, you know, you're playing in the backyard with your buddies. There's certain athletic maneuvers that we all do growing up that we're comfortable with. These guys aren't doing that shit. They got different sports.

They do. They're playing Gaelic football. You know, they're, hey, let's go have a kick. They're not having a catch. They're not doing any of that kind of stuff. So obviously catching the football, it's a pretty big deal if you're a punter. Yeah, I agree. And a couple of the International Player Pathway

Guys program, IPPPPter. Yeah, I agree. And a couple of the International Player Pathway guys program, IPPPP. Those guys, perfect practice predicts, you get it in the entire. PYIP or something. Yeah, yeah, whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, whatever it is. There was a couple of international kickers,

a kid from Germany, Lenny Krieg, I believe his name, didn't miss a kick. Kid named Johnny from Italy missed like one kick, I believe, throughout the entirety of the day. So the kickers are doing a good job I believe in the international pathway the punters I think the biggest thing is catching the ball because when you're a punter you have to catch the snap and then you also have to hold so like that is a big part of the gig if you're not a good holder you're not gonna make a team

if it's anywhere close whenever it comes to punting there a lot of big legs yesterday I saw some bombs it was awesome to watch the guys kind of have to perform with maximum pressure on them in front of a lot of NFL legendary coaches. There's legendary special teams coaches there yesterday. Bones is there, formerly of the Cowboys, formerly of the Rams, like one of the most famous special teams guys

of all time. Darren Simmons, who's been with the Cincinnati Bengals, I think for 22 years. Rainey Brown has been with, I think the Ravens for like 18 years was there this guy Name Henry. Oh, I just met yesterday. He's been with the Dallas Cowboys for a hundred years. He was there scouting I mean like Riz down there Riz was down there. He just changed the kickoff rule. It's like he's Danny Smith, I think he was just watching

Just watching these guys were running the drill and thought of these drills for the specialist showcase So I was honored to be a part of it. But yeah watching the balls go was awesome there's some pressure kicks that took place for some of these kickers some guys stepped up but a Alice down there in Miami he started out a little slow got hot hit a ball yesterday on the track man they were covering that that would have been good for like 66 or something like that 65 kid named loop I believe who's maybe from Michigan State he did great kid from Florida State hate a 62 yarder to win it, or 61 yarder to win the showcase yesterday.

So I think there's a lot of great things there. The punter from Alabama, who is an Aussie, Burnip, he was by far the most consistent and best performer. But there were some other guys that like, whenever they're just spinning the ball to themselves and hit it, it's like, wow, those guys are hitting a ball further than I could ever imagine hitting a ball.

But with the snap, and the snappers did well, I thought, there was a couple misses, but they snapped like 400 snaps or something. I forget the number, it was just an insane number. They were just out there doing it. But the guys looked like they were scared of the snap. And if you're thinking about the snap, most, some of the guys, not all the guys,

but most of the guys, if you're thinking about the snap, you're not thinking about the punt. And if you bobble the ball snap you're not thinking about the punt and if you bobble the ball you're not able to get the punt in a position to punt it so then you have less time and it's like I think they just all need to work on their hands like if you come over here to America to be a punter we understand that you probably have kicked the ball before you have a strong leg but your hands are gonna have to sync up a little bit you're gonna have to catch up a little bit on catching a ball which you can but the jugs machine so I think there's a

lot of promise out of the guys over there yesterday but but I think there is some things they're going to have to work on before they become NFL guys. And Burnett makes sense. Obviously he's an Alabama American, you know, so he's been in America. He's been in an American locker room where, you know, he's maybe not playing hacky sack with the boys or whatever. Listen, I love hacky sack. I mean, who doesn't love hacky sack? But I just saying, he's had to kind of be a little bit more of an athlete. And you mentioned it, you know, on top of it, if you're focused on, you know, the snap and you can't catch it, you know,

we didn't have a rush out there, you know, then you put eight, nine guys who want to take your head off and kill you on top of it. You better be very confident in your ability to catch the football and get that thing off. It was fun to watch them bombs though. It was fun to watch some of these guys do their thing. And like that Alabama kid, looks so calm, so big, was able to catch.

He's an Australian guy, he looks very comfortable doing it. I think that's the big separator right now of these international guys. And then obviously there were some American boys that held down everything out there. So I'm thankful to be a part of that today. Detackle linebacker, right Tone Diggs? Yeah, Detackle linebacker is going today. The, they just got done or looked like there there's a lot of stuff coming in Twitter right now of the

measurements. So I assume right before they come out to the field, they're doing all their measurements. So all the guys were getting their measurements done today. Mason Graham came in at six ft 300 pounds. He's only gonna bench. He's got, he's got those 32 inch short arms. So he's gonna be great on the bench, but he's not running or anything like that today. But there are going to be some freaks out there today. We talked about, you know, Kenneth Grant from Michigan, the big 6'3", 240 pounder who said he's going to try to run like a 4'7", 4'8", today.

And then you have Jaylen Walker from Georgia who won the Buccus Award out there today. He's going to be awesome. He's an athletic freak. Shemar Stewart from Texas A&M. He just measured it 662.70. Okay, so he's listed 662.90, so he's in best shape. He's been in a long time. Look for him to run real fast. Yeah, he was a five-star coming out, one of the top D-liners coming out. He's an incredible

player. Mad Mel, you lose 20 pounds, you can jump higher and run a lot faster. Yeah, absolutely. A lot of people were saying, you know, hey, this guy, you know, his production wasn't the best in college. Big gaudy sack numbers. But if this guy goes out and runs a four four, you know, yeah, I think there's gonna be a lot of teams interested in it. You lose 20 pounds, you take a 20 pound weight off of your back. You're going to be able to run faster and jump higher.

I don't know why maybe he didn't do it in college. Maybe it was a different, he was getting different information or whatever. When you look at his tape, he doesn't look 290 so I don't know if that was like a program they were lying about him being bigger may potentially been being heavier because when you look at his tape like he is like he looks fit like he doesn't look overly fit but Kenneth Grant from Michigan he did say he dropped like 15 ish so he could run a 4-8 and jump higher at this program all right joining us now is somebody that has obviously covered all of these guys in

college ball. Absolute legend in the sport of college football. Now becoming one quickly in the draft world. Ladies and gentlemen, Molly McGrath. Thank you, Molly. Molly. Molly. Good to see you.

Good to see you too. Hold on, Connor will get you the... Pro's pro. I just want to let you know, Connor got that for everybody else's budget. You take that. I was standing up. Sure, yeah. I'm a pro. I just want to let you know, Connor got that for everybody else by jam. You take that. I was pro. I can mic myself up. I do this for a living.

Ladies and gentlemen, Molly McGregor. Thank you for having me guys. This is quite a sweet set you have. Not bad, right? No, I had to come down here and do an actual site survey. Me and a tape measure. Right. That's a factual statement.

Well, I mean, this is a home assignment for you. This is pretty sweet. This is the house that Pat McAfee built This actually says the building or a house that was built by these guys these are the guys, you know Tony Dungey Peyton Manning Joseph a dyna boys I was very lucky to be an Indianapolis Colt but yeah to your point the people of Indianapolis run this building So when I came down here with a tape measure the CIB the city improvement board was like, why are we doing this? There's enough space for your show. And they're the ones that said I should do it right here. So we are incredibly lucky and thankful to

be here. Why are you here? Now you're part of the draft coverage, obviously for ESPN. Yeah. So, but we assume you know everything about everybody because all the college football stuff. What do you have going on this week? It's such a great assignment. So last year was my first year covering the NFL draft for ESPN. So the guys go on stage, their names are announced, they shake Roger Goodell's hand. They dab them, hug them. Yeah, they jump into his arms.

And it's like the best moment of their lives. Their whole career has come up to this moment. And I'm standing there ready to interview them. And it's like the most electric interview that you could ever do. And so it's such a cool moment to be a part of. I did that for ESPN, doing it again this year. So it's an honor to be a part of such a special moment.

And I know these players so well. I know their families and their moms and their girlfriends. I know certain things, like a big part of me being here this week is meeting with GMs. I'm just kind of networking. And I have a lot of great conversations with GMs. I'm trying to get their information for coverage leading up to that moment, for coverage leading up

to the draft, to do reports for our crew. And it's kind of a give and take relationship with GMs where it's like, hey, I can tell that this locker room doesn't love this guy. I can tell that his teammates really love him. I can tell that this guy's really tough. Hey, coaches say he doesn't love this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can tell that his teammates really love him. I can tell that this guy's really tough. Hey, coaches say he doesn't watch a lot of film.

So in being like with these players week in and week out with Coles. He's becoming an insider. I'm a little bit of an insider, but it's like off the record conversations with GMs. And so it's like a little bit of give and take and. Don't go to Starbucks. Insiders are brawling.

I saw Ian Rappaport at a coffee shop a couple hours back right before he came here that was not a Starbucks it was not a Starbucks it was at the Westin and I wanted to ask him if he felt safe you know but he looked fine what if you would have walked up to him and been like what if I got something to say that would have been amazing well I appreciate your professionalism and your due diligence that you're doing yeah you feel like you know the college players very well. How versed were you with the NFL? How versed were you with the NFL and everything like that

as you dove in last year and how do you feel now? I think that last year I was a fan of the NFL and then when I got this assignment, I was like, all right, I need to get up to speed on team needs, GMs, coaching changes, like what these teams are looking for in the draft. Yeah, exactly. And now with a second year under my belt,

I feel so much more well-prepared, because I approach the college football season completely differently. Every week as I'm requesting players and talking to guys on the phone, I'm talking to all the draft prospects that these teams have. And then I'm at the games.

And you go to college football games, there are GMs all over the sidelines. That's a time to really pick those guys' brains and to give them that information, and say, hey, this guy's legit. And this guy, his teammates don't love him. He's a little full of shit. Those kinds of moments that you can establish a relationship.

Molly, you're a weapon. Absolute weapon. You are. And the amount of time that you put in, and the amount of travel, because where you live to everything. Crazy decision to do that. It is. A crazy decision.

Yeah, I make some terrible decisions. No, you don't. I truly do. Before the boys have their questions for you. Oh, I love it. I need to ask about good decision, great decision. Okay. Since, I think last time we really seen you, you become full mama.

Oh yeah. How's it going? Oh my, since we last worked together, I you, you become full mama. Oh, yeah. Oh, my god. Since we last worked together, I've created two humans. Congrats. Yeah, two humans. And they both speak and walk and talk. And it's crazy. I have a two-year-old and a four-year-old, two little boys.

I don't know if they're watching this. But when I have my makeup done, I'm mama TV. And then when I'm home, I'm just like mom. Because I'm a different human. You love it. So for me and my wife, it's the greatest. Like watching my wife mom is so cool. And I heard, you know, you, I think we're talking about

at the beginning of with your work schedule and being a mom, we want to let you know, we think you're a badass and we think it's a good thing, not a bad thing. So you need to never even let that cross your mind. You kill it and how you're moming from far at least i've never met your kids your husband great dude but like you're crushing it molly and you should be very very very very proud of yours now with that being

said let's turn to the conversation madmel kiper has one for you molly madmel yeah molly just curious you know obviously you know this you haven't been doing this a whole bunch of years i have been doing this for 30 plus years. So if you need any tricks of the trade, be happy to share those with you. Have you noticed when you're trying to get this information? Have you been going to the restaurants, everyone says like, hey, nothing is nothing is figured out or no one no information has passed unless

these GMs and coaches have a couple booze cocktails in them, right? late at St. Elmo's. So have you been doing, you know, kind of that aspect of it or have you been over at the convention center kind of bebopping around trying to get information that way? It's a little bit of both. I don't know if you can tell I'm exhausted because I was up until like 2 a.m. last night at the bar. That's Indianapolis.

Closing down the bar. But that's where those relationships are established. You're having a drink and you're just getting to know people as parents, and as professionals, and those kinds of things. So I'm exhausted. It's been already a long week, and we're, I don't know, not even halfway through it. So it's a part of that.

And then it's going through the convention center, grabbing people, going up to them, saying, hey, I coverage college football. I know these guys intimately. If you need to know anything, feel free to reach out to me. It can be a mutually beneficial relationship. So we're literally watching you

blossom your NFL career right now. This is happening. It's a great segue. And you know what? I covered college, or I mean, an NFL game, one of the Monday night football games earlier this season, the Cardinals-Chargers game. And it's amazing how many players remember you

from their college careers. And they feel like a bit of sentimentality with it, where they're like, hey, you covered me in college. How are you? I remember you. And so you kind of already know all of these athletes so well. So it's really cool. It's a great segue into covering the NFL.

I think that's something I want to do eventually in my career. I love college football, especially the playoff. There's no better assignment in the world than covering college football for ESPN right now. But eventually I want to start to work more in the NFL because I know these guys so well. We'll dive into college ball at the end of this because what an electrifying season.

Yeah. So much fun. So many top five matchups throughout the year with the realignment and the players and more teams going in there. Herb Street, whenever he got the Thursday night job, obviously he's one of the faces of college ball, if not the face of college ball over the last three decades. He thought that maybe, you know, they wouldn't take him as serious enough because he's a college guy.

And I and everybody else that played in the NFL were like Herbie. We watch game day every Saturday in every single building. Yeah, we all know you from college football. We're all in there. So I think there's even more of a respect for the people that covered college get into the NFL. And I think Herbie didn't believe that beginning. I think you should think the same thing like a lot of respect for everything you've done because you've been there since they were like kids. Yeah, becoming men, you know, and you've

you've told their stories. You felt a lot of people in her. We did the same thing. It's like I think the players actually have more of a trust and you set a sentimental value with you than maybe others. I think it's a great transition into the NFL Yeah, and the coaches and the players are all fans of football. So they all watch a ton of college football So when I came to the combine last year The first person I see as I walk into the convention center is Andy Reid and he points to me and goes no You cannot leave college football

Don't worry coach. I'm not leaving but thank you and he's like, I'm a big but thank you. And he's like, I'm a big fan of your work. And I'm like, I'm a big fan of your work. That's awesome. Yeah, it was one of those cool moments where I was like, how the heck does Andy Reid know who I am? Molly. That was sick. Molly, biggest games.

Every year for like the last, I don't want to do that whole thing. But you get it. Since I was with you. You launched my career those Thursday nights. Thursday night, Remmys. The Remmys. Yeah, we grew through that. Adam Amin, Matt Hasselbeck, myself, That was the great Thursday. You launched my career those Thursday nights. Thursday night remis. The remis. Yeah, we grew through that.

Adam Amin, Matt Hasselbeck, myself, Molly McGrath. We had a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. They were. They were. When the lights go out, was that Tulane or Memphis? When the lights go down. The power went out.

East Carolina. Yeah, that's what it is right there. And they had a gymnast, like a cheerleader gymnast, when the lights were out that was doing a hundred yards worth of back handsprings and backflips Oh, yeah, I remember and we're like talking in the booths like trying to kill time and I'm like I don't have enough say at this point, but we need to be showing that This is good television down there in pitch black while lights are coming back on

He might have just done a thousand backflips, but I feel like I learned a lot that season. And you were ready to be the star way before we got there on that Thursday night. I'm excited you've gotten all the recognition you deserve. Connor has a question for you. So you saw a rap sheet this morning. He was, you know, probably pouting a little down. Have you been able to talk to, like, Schefter about kind of the insider game?

And have you also just been on your phone for, like, 20 hours a day to practice kind of how much you have to actually do that. You got to get the screen time. Exactly. Yeah. You ring her on all those types of things. So I'm not trying to be an insider where I'm trying to break news. I'm more trying to be an insider for context because I want these coaches and GMs to trust me inherently and that's a part of covering game broadcasts, right? Like coaches tell me stuff every week that's off the record

that would be breaking news if I were to tweet it out, but I want them to know that they can trust me. So- Journalism. Yeah, capital J journalism. So these are the kinds of conversations I'm having this week where I'm being told things that are off the record that would be breaking news, but I'm not revealing it.

I know it for context. I know it for context. I know it for how to approach my conversations with players, with other GMs, and what the teams are looking for. And then there's a lot of stuff that all embargo until draft day. Hey, are you cool if I don't use any of this until our draft coverage begins? And then I can reveal what you're really

starting to look for. And some of them say yes. Some of say no but it's it's establishing the trust I just want them to trust me and know that I'm not gonna like spill their secrets or tweet anything out I think that's like the biggest value that I can bring is just to be trusted that's not just a big J that's also big earnalism as well and refresh my memory here and And boys, you might remember this. Didn't she start sports media school at Boston College? Yeah.

Please, sir. FEC did it. You actually started. I did not start the sports media school. Yeah, you did. Basically. You did something. I started a role.

I started a sports reporter role. I was the cheerleading captain. So I was sassy as hell and went into the athletic director's office. So what does that mean, sassy as hell? You into the athletic directors. So what's that mean sassy as hell? You really wanted this? No, I just, I knew what I wanted to do in my career. Like I went to the athletic director,

I went into his office, Gene DeFilippo at the time, and I said, hey, these are my goals. And this is how I need you to help me get there. I like that. And I'm going to create a student reporter position. And I just want you to sign off on it. I'll do all the extra work. And I had people help me get there, right?

None of us got to where we are without help from other people and support. So he supported that and I created that role. And I think it exists to this day, which is so cool. Hell yeah, that is cool. And also it takes a lot of, you know, courage, confidence, intelligence, foresight to go and create that role.

And then for the execution part of it, you've crushed it. Now, speaking of college football, Andy Reid never wants you to leave. Tom Diggs has a question for you. Yeah, I do. So we always talk to Shafty. I'm wondering about the difference between the sideline and then this kind of the draft role. We talk about like with Shafty, like are all how transactional,

like all his relationships have to be like with all of his his sources and all these GMs and coaches and stuff like that. What's it what is the biggest difference between those like relationships and then like when you're talking to the college coaches like gathering information for the games that more of like relaxed situation? I think they're similar. Yeah I think it's all about people that you're working with liking you, trusting you, rooting for you, trusting you with certain information. With the draft it's obviously a little more sensitive because with these picks there's money on the line and jobs on the line so you want to be really sensitive and with that like I go into conversations with

GMs and I say hey this whole conversation can be off the record if you want. But with the coach, you don't start a conversation with the coach going into a production meeting saying, hey, this is all off the record. Usually, it's all on the record unless they say, hey, don't say this. So it's a little stricter and a little tighter, I think,

with the NFL. And you don't want to piss people off because you want to keep those relationships in college football It's a little more fair game unless you're instructed specifically not to to say something Let's talk about college ball this past year 12 team playoff. It was a blast It's how we crown a CFP national champion I Didn't I didn't sing long, but yeah, it was awesome. Why don't you pay attention to the song do we have I don't I didn't sing long but yeah it was awesome. Why

didn't you pay attention to the song? Do we have? I don't know if we have it. I deleted that one. What the hell man? That's it all. You keep that song in the summer. That's next year thing. More schools get a shot to shine. It's more games and a lot more fun. Starting with 12, counting down to one. That's how we crown a CFP national champion. That's how we crown a CFP national champion. Good job. That was great. We didn't create that.

We didn't create that. No. If only that worked. God did. Sounds like AI maybe helps, but I think there was some people in Nashville. But 12-team playoff, obviously you've been covering college ball for a long time.

Your thoughts on what it added to it? It was incredible. The 12-team playoff was so much fun. Blowouts, I still thought it was awesome. OK, like some blowouts round one, but then the quarterfinals and the semi-final games were electric. It was so much fun. It was a grind.

It was a grind to cover every round. And when you're on site for these games, for college football, we get there for almost a week. So I just wasn't home for a month and a half. But there are other people taking care of my children. My husband, he's fully capable. I and a half. But you know, there are other people taking care of my children, my husband is, he's fully capable. I am a mother, but it was fantastic because the games were awesome.

And it was so unique because I covered Notre Dame from the first round all the way to the national championship game. And when else do you get a team four games in a row and you get to follow them through the course and through a run like that and get to know the coaches the players intimately. I basically knew every player on that team really well. I'd interviewed all of them at some point so it was it was really cool to be able to experience that. Yeah we agree like we got a chance obviously with our simulcast field pass operation to be

there for all the games except for one we didn't we had all Ohio State's games. We had Boise Penn State. Yeah we had but you're right each week it was yeah we did Ohio State. We're right in the middle we're right in the middle of all of it and the reason why you're gonna do so great at the NFL and why you do so great at college is because you do spend a week at all these places. Yeah. We fly in there day before. Yeah-hmm. Yeah. We're not going to practice. I'm not doing games. Yeah, we're not doing games.

We do the field pass. But in the booth and on the main broadcast, what are the numbers that were coming in for some of those games? 28 million. 20 plus million, I think. Just so many games. And I think viewer, I don't want to say fatigue,

but maybe viewers being new to the flow of college football. Yeah. In the playoffs and how late the games were going into January. Yeah. So I think there's still some things that can get worked out. But man, we loved it. And it was electrified. And those games felt larger than life, especially on campus. The on campus games were my that was my favorite cold, cold, freezing cold at Notre Dame. But that was so cool to be a part of something like that.

Agreed. And the people, that's college football. The pageantry tradition and environments are a massive piece of the product, I think. Yeah. Like obviously the football is being played on the field. The football does matter. And if you're good, it's going to be better. But the environments are what make college football college football.

Yeah. So them showcasing that, I think it was a big deal. Boy, it was cold, though. It was still hot. We were pitching hard. Don't be soft. It's fine. No, it was.

Were you at Ohio State, Tennessee? Well, I was at Notre Dame. And it was single ditch. It was pretty cold. But I had an electric jacket on. Oh. You have to, like, get with the program. See, these are things you know that we don't.

Yeah, I know. This is Sideliner Reporter info. I had an electric vest. I had electric gloves. OK. Because you're holding a mic, get with the program. Yeah, I know. This is Sideliner Reporter info. I had an electric vest. I had electric gloves. Because you're holding a mic, your hand gets cold. Pat didn't have gloves at all. So. I didn't have gloves or a head.

No, he's a tough guy. He doesn't wear sleeves either. Sure. We're in the stadium. Lucas Wells Stadium. It's a nice outing. It is a beautiful time. And also, spring is cracking, seemingly,

here in Indianapolis. You tell Punks Atani Phil to eat shit. Sure. OK, he didn't think that was coming. It's the coldest winter we've had. We're talking about how far you travel. You live in Washington. Mm-hmm.

I do. I live in Seattle. I'm crossing time zones every three days. That's a lot. Yeah, what? It's wild. It's wild. Very wild.

Yeah, that's been tough. I think the time change is the toughest part, because sometimes I'll have 7 AM Eastern meetings. So I'm waking up at 4, and I'm on Zooms just trying to keep my life together. Well, you're doing a great job. Yeah, it's fine. We're dealing with it.

There might be a move in my future with my family, but it's not special yet. Just as a human that not as much as you, but travels and works a good bit, convenience in and out of these places is, that is the name of the game. That is you traveling back to Washington every single week is just absurd to think about,

but there's only one person that can pull it off and that's the person that walks into Boston College says we need this to happen, change everything, and then change the course of football coverage and your life. Molly, you've absolutely crushed it. We appreciate you so much. And thank you for stopping the course of football coverage and your life. Molly, you've absolutely crushed it. We appreciate you so much. And thank you for stopping by.

Good luck with the draft coverage. Thank you. Thank you. So good to see you guys. So good to see you in person. Dude, yeah. I mean, only on TV and on the internet throughout this entirety.

That's our lives. It's fine. All right. That is our lives. You're the best. Love you guys. And once you watch ESPN Draft Coverage, you'll be on it. Yep.

I'll be on the ESPN Draft Coverage. I need to find, like, if anyone wants to sponsor me, you need to find like a sick little like chinchilla coat, like a fur coat. We're going to be in Green Bay. Oh, yeah. Smart. Right?

It was cold in Detroit last year. It's going to be cold as shit in Green Bay. I was wearing like extra layers. It's going to be cold. You have to embrace the place, right? So I have to have some kind of fur. Cheese head, put a cheese head on you. Put a cheese head on the head.

Yeah, that'll be a good overalls. There are a lot of overalls out there. American gangster. Yeah, yeah, I like to get the Frank Lucas coat from America and the hat. Yeah, look into it. That's one way to like be trending on the internet that are getting a fight in a Starbucks.

So it's like I'd rather be all there is. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen surviving the fight is Ian Rappaport. Good to see him walking by here. Thank you. Licking his wounds. All right. So you're going to be in the lead up to the NFL draft coverage as well on ESPN.

Where will we see you talking about what you're learning here today and everything like that? I have no idea. I'll be on ESPN. They'll send me out before the draft and maybe I'll do some stuff ahead of that. Some pro days, things like that. I'm also doing college basketball coverage right now. Really? I was just in Birmingham.

Alabama? Alabama, Tuscaloosa. Sorry, I flew out of Birmingham. No, there's a couple. I think there's a couple. I was in England. Yeah. Yeah.

That's one. That's the only one I can think of. Yeah. England's primarily the stuff. I just got back from Europe. I just came back from Europe. Covered the pinky pliers. I was in Tuscaloosa on Tuesday night.

That's also Alabama. And now I'm going to Knoxville for Alabama at Tennessee on Saturday. That's a really big one. So with my travel schedule, I just don't go home. No, well, keep grinding. It's fine. It is admirable, and it is awesome.

It's fun. You're getting to the top, Molly. You're already there. You're the best. Ladies and gentlemen, Molly McGrath. Yeah, Molly. Thank you, guys. You guys are the best.

Thank you, Molly. What other Birmingham popped in your head there? I just know there's more than one. See ya. Yeah, Molly! You guys are the best. Thank you, Molly. Thank you, Mike. What other Birmingham popped in your head there? I just know there's more than one. See, you know what I mean? Yeah, I guess, but like Birmingham, college basketball, Birmingham, New York. Hey, watching her operate...

She's a dog. That Thursday night football thing was crazy. Because, you know, she's telling stories for different college football shows that are happening and interviews and sit down and do that. But then on the game she's not only like doing the drops before halftime at the beginning of the game which I think a lot of people just expect. She's working constant movement constantly working everything and she knows every storyline for every player and like if anything happens she drops like reminders.

Hey remember. And she knows every storyline for every player. And like, if anything happens, she drops like reminders. Hey, remember, blah, blah, blah. Like she's like a producer while also where it's. Well, he's a beast dog. Molly's an absolute beast. The NFL is calling, though. Andy Reid going, don't. Oh, no. Sorry. Don't you? Not now. We need you in college ball.

It's like certainly we do. But she is a G. Molly's an absolute G. Speaking of of I believe Indianapolis Indiana has brought some things all through for us and this might be the visit any people I believe that's Chris

Gala visit Indy don't know this guy's name but I should. Hey how you doing. Hey I'm Pat. Wow. See a computer. Cocktail you. You're kidding me man.

Chris thank you very much. Thank you thank you. Cocktail, you got him. You're kidding me, man. Chris, thank you, brother. Thank you very much. Thank you, thank you, thank you. It's incredible. Do you want to sit down and put a headset on? Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

Nice to meet you. Sure. You're too kind. Visit India, it'd be great. What do we got here? We got some steak sliders here. We've got the filet sliders. You'll find those here in Dizzy's St. Elmo Steakhouse.

This famous, iconic St Omos shrimp cocktail. You're not gonna cry when you have it, are you? I'm not gonna breathe, I'm not gonna breathe. Listen, I've been around the game. Whenever you eat this, you can't breathe. When you breathe while eating it, shoots up into the nose and it's a game set match. But that flavor is something you can't get anywhere else,

which is why people come. They love it, yeah, and it's been synonymous with Indianapolis. Just like the NFL Combine, we're glad to have it here in Indianapolis for another year since 1987 So we're glad to have all the NFL folks here. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. All right Chris, let's give you a stick around Thank you so much great service. Thank you. Hold on hold on hold on hold on. That's the base Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, no problem. That was good, sir. That was good service. Oh

Thank you so much. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, no problem. I was good, sir. I was good service. Okay, so that guy owns St. Elmo's obviously. He owns St. Elmo's, yep. Chris, we should have known that. I felt like a big time asshole. I say here comes Chris from Visit Indy and Guy, I should definitely know, but I don't. He owns St. Elmo's. He owns St. Elmo's. Hey, sir, thank you. I didn't know who the hell you were when he came up here. Thank you so much for what you've done for Indianapolis, man. Thanks, Elmo. Thank you. Thank you, Greg. Is you've done for Indianapolis, man. Thanks, Albal. Thank you. Is there a more iconic restaurant? I don't think there is a more iconic restaurant synonymous with a city.

Anytime anybody comes to Indianapolis, Mad Mel's already crying. Yeah, hot. Zooming on those eyes. Get those eyes. Well, that's the thing. You got to dive right in. Once it gets in the nostrils.

You got to dive right in. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. We'll go back for some more. Go ahead. It's so good. Not like your pumpkin paella. You can't breathe while you're eating it. You guys are making massive mistakes, I feel like.

Oh, no. I think it's like 24 pounds of shrimp cocktail sauce they serve up annually. Jeez, Luis. Annually or weekly? Weekly, excuse me, weekly. Weekly, weekly. Annually, it'd be a lot. 52 Tone's weekly weekly annually be a lot 52 tones eating one right now

He's having a moment right now with the shrimp cocktail part of the experience. Love it clears you out Mad Mel's crying Connor I don't know if he has a Feeling it is so good. I love it. All right, Chris. Let's talk a little bit your I don't know official title head of visit Indy Executive vice president, okay Alright Chris, let's talk a little bit. I don't know the official title, head of Visit Indy. Executive Vice President. Visit Indy. We appreciate what you're doing with Indianapolis. You look very, very cool.

Thank you. Thank you for this. This is a part of the Visit Indy, obviously. We thought it'd look good on your desk. It does. It looks amazing and obviously people walk in, they're the eye in Indy. Because Indy is such like a collaborative thing

and we are such a welcoming city. Whenever the combine comes here, what does it bring to the city each year? And what is the goal? Is the goal to keep the Combine here forever, I would assume? It is, we had meetings with the league this week. The Combine has been here since 87.

We have them on the books through 26. This week, $10 million in economic impact for our city. Okay. We wanna keep them. We believe there's no better city in the nation. You got IU Health expanding, the Convention Center expansion, all under one roof. These prospects seamlessly walk. The media seamlessly walk.

Why move this? It's not broken. Starbucks gets a little hot sometimes. I don't know if you've heard about this. Starbucks there was a... I don't know, swivel. There's a little bit of a I saw that I didn't yeah it was real but that's not normal here in India. Confirmed. Hospitality is the Hoosier way we host

events and conventions literally weekly the city's used to it the Indy 500 is the biggest sporting event in Connor it got Connor it got Connor. He thought he had it. He thought he got me. He got Connor. It got Connor. It got Connor. It got Connor. He is trying. He thought he had it. This is what he thought he had. He got him. It got him. It feels good. I love it. Yeah.

Whoa! Oh man! Yeah. We got you a napkin if you need it. No, no, no. I enjoyed it. It got him. That's Indiana looking out.

But the Indianapolis 500 is the largest sporting event on earth every single year. Period. Why do you think this place is built? You said a convention, everything like that. But I think it's the people too. I think the people are very, very used to outsiders coming in, taking care, and then saying, hey, we'll see you next

year or something like that. Don't you? We're sometimes an underdog city. We don't mind that. We like to, you know, achieve higher, higher, higher. It's the people. People make the place, Pat. The infrastructure, we're literally built to host major sporting events and conventions, but it's our people. It's our residents. They're hospitable, it's part of our DNA. And so when that visitor comes, whether it's an international media member, a prospects family, we welcome them.

2024, busiest year in tourism history in the city of Indianapolis. Welcome back. Welcome back. People wanna talk about it nationally, but like COVID, whenever the world stops, cities that host things really, really took a, like we took a devastating blow from the world stopping and not being able to host and not having all these things. So us being all the way back,

congratulations to you, your team and everybody. Thank you. Thank you. You know, it's when you have Pacersports Entertainment and the Colts, when you have the NCAA headquartered here, there's a lot of trust. And the oldest sports commission in the nation, the Indiana Sports Corps, we just keep picking away at what events we want. By the way, we'd love to have the draft. We're in conversations. Hey, commission, let's get that one done.

Commission, let's get that one done. Love to have another college football playoff national championship. And with the WNBA All-Star game, bouncing here could not pick a better year in time in Indianapolis history to have that event. Yeah, especially with 22. Yeah, she's pretty good. She's pretty good. Matt Mel has a question for you, Chris.

If you were to bring one restaurant to downtown Indianapolis, we don't have yet because everyone knows, you know, Elmo's is iconic. If you don't want to get super dressed up, maybe go to Harry and Izzy's instead. If you're a scumbag like a couple of the guys we work with, you're going to go over to Hooters. Yeah, sure. Out of business.

Yeah, exactly. Rest in peace. But is there one restaurant or attraction, let's say, that you're trying to bring to the downtown area? That's a great question. You know, we'd love to get, there's this technology called COSM. It's like this field in Vegas. OK, we've been eyeing that.

Those are awesome. We're a sports-minded city. You could sit and watch these major sporting events. And we've got buildings down here that will certainly be able to, that could feasibly get that in there. Exactly. If I had to have a restaurant concept,

though, I'd call it Reggie's. Reggie Miller, Reggie Wayne's. You'd have a restaurant concept though, I'd call it Reggie's Reggie Miller Reggie Wayne's You'd have a restaurant in downtown, Indy called Reggie's they'd cook they'd serve things up Iconic Reggie across the board. I think that would do well here Yeah, the name Reggie gets chanted at basically any sport that happens here in Indianapolis need the Colts to get good again Mm-hmm. I hear you. I hear you He's from Boston. Well, I Yeah, but he lives here in Indianapolis loves the city. Yeah, well pay taxes for us to come here. Thank you. Thank you

Good are his footballs inflated or deflated? Guy who's a model He is a model. He is okay Chris. That was proven to be a witch hunt. No, Bill Nye is a science guy. He's a model now. Did you see him doing model? He is a model. He is. OK, Chris, what's next for Indianapolis? Well, I'll tell you what. We're expanding the city. We want that WMB All-Star game to be the best ever.

We want that to catapult us into the future. As I mentioned, we're putting about $3 billion in new tourism-related infrastructure downtown, making it bigger and better. We want to hold on to the combine. We want to attract the draft and we really, really want the college football playoff national championship to come back. Is there an MLS team coming? Not yet. We're in discussions. Hey, that's big. That's a big deal, right? Yeah. The mayor of Indianapolis has led those

discussions with the idea that we could have an MLS team and it was reported this week the commissioner was here, MLS commissioner to kick the tires and see the city again so we believe sports is in our nature and our culture and we could do well with an MLS team. Okay so as the executive vice president of the Taurus group. You got it. Visit Indy. You got it. What are you running for mayor next? What is, you just like helping the city? What's the, what is? No.

You just like helping the city or from, like what is the, how'd you end up here? Pai Kai School, Butler University. Was in Hawaii for a couple years helping Hawaii tourism. Tough, probably sweet. Tough job there. Which island? Awahoe. You're on Awahoe?

Awahoe. That's where my mom's side has been, and we have family there and so came back. You're an OOCE? I didn't know you were an OOCE. Yeah, I got, I got raised here, summers in Hawaii. Raised here, summers in Hawaii. Guys, an OUCE, obviously. I think you should have spent summers here,

maybe winters in Hawaii. That's true. I had to go to school in football. But Indy's my home. I love being an underdog and competing with other major cities to try to get these events, like the combine, and proving what we've built here. So you love repping for the city? Love it. It feels like a lot of people do. I got a chance to obviously there's Visit Indy

then there's the Indy 500 festival folks. Yes, yes. I just learned of the CIB. Yep. I just learned of that. They own these facilities. They do an incredible job. The guy, yeah, Craig, my dude. I don't know if he's here or not. I think he has... Oh yeah, Craig. Oh. Craig's the man. Helps run this place. Yes, he does.

Makes sure it's sparkling. So the NFL and the NFL network people, obviously fantastic folks, forced me to do a site survey even though we had agreed that we would be able to do our show from here. So I come down and do a site survey and Craig from Indianapolis is the one showing me around. It's not somebody from the NFL. I'm like, Craig, who do you work for? That's literally what I said to him because if it was NFL people, I was about to be like, come on, what are we even doing here?

We already agreed to be here. We're in a stadium. There's enough room for us to set up some seats wherever it is. Craig's like, I work for the CIB here in Indianapolis, which is the city improvement board or whatever. I say, you're an indie guy. He goes, yeah. I go, is there going to be a spot?

Why were they acting like there wasn't a spot? He goes, yeah, we got enough room. We got enough room. No problem at all. And he was like, we walk up here. And he goes, do you want to just use the horseshoe set or whatever? And I'm like, is that available? He's like, absolutely.

And I was like, yes, we would. We would like to do this quickest site survey of all time. And it got much better. I think we would have been somewhere. This is prime. Prime. We are so lucky. Beautiful stadium, perfect stadium, perfect place, and perfect people perfect people I think is why I love the state so much

Listen and thank you for all you do you spend a lot of time in this building come home in the last couple of weeks Months years and you're an advocate. You're not bashful about being from here In fact, some of your colleagues have relocated here all of them Yeah, all of them have which is why he's so happy to pay taxes here And we'll take those taxes and make sure that we keep growing the city in restaurants and museums and more sporting events. So you're a big Indy booster and you carry a lot of influence.

And when people hear that Pat loves Indy, that helps us. How could you not, brother? Literally, how could you not? I'm very lucky to be here. And you're raising your family here. And my wife's from here. My baby girl was born here. A lot of our families have started here.

A lot of Hoosier babies around our business, sir. And we're lucky and thankful for them. Yeah, absolutely. Well, he's just completely said the opposite there. Don't listen. He's from Pittsburgh. My daughter was born here, but I'll tell her she was born in Pittsburgh.

Yeah, OK. He's from Pittsburgh, yes. A lot of pride in Pittsburgh. Very similar type people. But obviously, Indianapolis is fantastic. And Chris, great work. Hey, Pat, thank you. Thanks for having me on.

Guys, enjoy this shrimp cocktail. Oh, keep doing it Chris thank you for everything Chris thank you man palate cleanser come on appreciate you Chris yeah no problem dude cocktail is lightful hey Chris is a real deal he looks cool he's the one he's the one that's doing like when we're pitching for the Super Bowl he's's the guy that's, you know, when we're making pitches for the NCAA, he's the guy that's a part of the... On the pavement. Yeah, he's the guy. He's a cool dude. I don't think I've maybe met him one time before at an event, because he's like, he's on a move. That's Chris football. Yeah, bingo. Loves the city of Indianapolis. Cosm, down here. Cosm would be so cool.

I don't know how he's going to get it done, but get it done, Chris. I don't know if it'd be down here. It'd probably be up north. All you would need, all you would literally need is just big space with a bunch of LED boards, right? Correct. You know what it is?

Technically, should we try and turn this into a Cosm before tomorrow? Yeah, just relocate the team, use the whole entire thing. What's that? Know what it is? Technically, should we try to turn this into a Cosm before tomorrow? That's not a bad idea. Yeah, just relocate the team, use the whole entire thing. What's that? Put 15 Cosms in this building. Oh, you're saying this is the space to do it? Yeah, why not?

No, there's buildings right down over there that need to be repurposed. Yeah, I have a bunch of them. All right, hell of a day today, boys. A lot of guests. Yeah. A lot of conversation. That's Combine.

That is Combine. Somebody has a suit over there that look very important. How about the owner of St. Elmo? Yeah, what a beast. Craig. Yeah, you got a little fleece. I want to shake his head. I go to his north side location all time. Yeah. Harry and is he's no 1933. Oh yeah, which is another fantastic. All these being available on door dash is crazy too. Can't wait to eat one of those. One of these. Yeah, coming at you. There's a toothpick in it. That one's gonna... That hut! That had some cheese on it. Toothpick on both sides. Oh no. Yeah both sides. Better because my bum fell off. Are they exposed?

Yeah I don't think I should do that. Oh, it's OK. He's just fucking high. Bingo. That's all we needed anyways. Oh, my god. That's a filet right at the guy. Great catch.

Great catch. How is that filet? St. Elmo's steak we just got. You go to steak places? You know, I think the first time I went to a nice steak house, grew up on Texas Roadhouse. Sure. We're going to Texas Roadhouse. Sure. We're going to Texas Roadhouse.

That's a big night. Don't forget Ponderosa. Boom, Ponderosa. You're 100% right. Hosses, even, if we're going to get. Yeah, don't forget Hosses. Yeah, that's a big night out. OK, we're having it.

We're going to Ponderosa, Texas Roadhouse. That was the triangle. That was it. Hey, birthday, where are we headed? Well, Texas Roadhouse all booked up. We're going to go to Ponderosa. Ponderosa booked up. We've got to go to Ponderosa. Ponderosa booked up. We've got to go to the Horton.

Maybe even the Grown Round if we were feeling soft. There's a chance you could sneak in there. It's feeling spicy. So then in college at Morgantown, I'm a guy at Cheddar's, and there's not really a steak place. So I get in the NFL my rookie year. I get invited to go to a dinner here in Indianapolis

at Harry and Izzy's, which is St. Elmo's like brother, sister restaurant. I don't know what it is. Same exact ownership, same food. Same kitchen. Just different vibes, same exact kitchen. Yeah, like just next to each other. Connect to it, it's just a different vibe. It's like a sports bar, a little bit more young.

And then St. Elmo's is like historic. Black tie. You like walk in there, it's like you're a part of something. You know, and that's why everybody comes to Indianapolis like, so I need to go to St. Elmo's. It's like, if you've never been, yeah, you definitely have to go. It's an experience, it's like you're a part of something you know and that's why everybody comes in and out was like so I need to go to San Alamos like if you've never been yeah you definitely have to go it's an experience it's part of the city but also Harry and Izzy's same food a little bit you know I think Peyton part of Harry and Izzy's as well potentially so he was one that was

hosting it so we go in there we walked out in this back room and I'm getting like my first taste of like these real real sticks and I'm like this place is awesome and then a shrimp cocktail comes out and I've only seen this movie like oh shrimp cocktail you know like going to a moment here and I'm like, this place is awesome. And then the shrimp cocktail comes out and I've only seen this in movies, it's like, oh, shrimp cocktail, you know, like going to a moment here and you get like grocery store ones where it's a plastic dipper in there

and you get the little thing. So everybody, all the rookies, they were invited to that thing. And it's the reason why we're invited. Looking back on it, the only reason we're invited was to get this and just take a big chunk of this. And everybody just cry their eyes out. And it's like, it's so good, but it'll get you get you I mean it'll get you and you go back again it's almost

like a like an intoxicating feeling almost like it's like an adrenaline rush and then you eat it again I love crying when I eat it look legit that's part of it all right mad Mel big takeaway as we wrap up this glorious Thursday from the NFL scouting Combine presented by Microsoft Co-Pilot, which is Microsoft's AI. Biggest takeaway, very excited to see what the athletes do out here on the field, but I'll be honest, biggest takeaway is I could eat a hundred of those fucking filet sliders. Not even kidding.

That, I mean, cooked to perfection. Set hot! Thank you! I mean, medium rare, I don't know, medium rare I mean, cooked perfection. Said Hut! Thank you. I mean, medium rare. I don't know if it's medium rare. It's medium rare. Medium, medium plus. Yeah.

These are fucking delicious. And if you just eat them just to fillet, like, you could eat a thousand of those and not get a pod. Yeah, that's good. What are you, a two ounce piece here? Yeah, two ounce. Two ounce piece of steak. Aim high, aim high.

So Hut! Oh! I had it. It dropped out and tried to come forward for it. Two ounce piece of steak. Aim high, aim high. So, huh! Oh! I had it. It dropped down trying to come forward for it. At least it didn't hit the ground. No, no, I'm saying I couldn't. All right, we got to get out of here.

We literally have to turn off the lights. Oh, because of the things going on. Remember the NFL was like, hey, make sure those lights are off by 3 o'clock. We don't want any scouts getting lights in our eyes. And I thought they were being dramatic, like everything else with this network over here and then I got here and I saw a thousand lights and I'm like the scout suites are

now full they were not full yesterday they are now all full fans have also filed in we're about to have a damn show here on NFL Network and NFL plus as Rich Eisen and Daniel Jeremiah will officially kick off the on field exercises of the future of the NFL. We'll be back here tomorrow. I think we got a good one tomorrow. I think we got a good one. Yeah. I believe Brandon Bean of the Buffalo Beals will stop by. Boom. I believe there's a few others that are going to make their way over here. You know, it's an interesting time that we're on because they're in the middle of interviews and medical wow practices taking place. So anybody that's able to make time to chat with time that we're on because they're in the middle of interviews and medical wow practices taking place.

So anybody that's able to make time to chat with us, we're incredibly grateful for and also we'll feel like we'll try to do our due diligence and get the most out of it. Hell yeah. Because we got a lot of questions for these guys too. Tons. Not a doubt. Mad Mel, are you going to be back tomorrow or is... Have you kept... Has Ty texted you at all? Do you know? I haven't got any text or anything. You tell me. He only has landline, so it's tough to get text.

Yeah, that's a good point. We'll call you. They didn't bring a pumpkin pie up here. Yeah, it was kind of horse shit, but you know, I mean, like I said, those steaks. Holy fuck. Very good. Yeah, you know, I appreciate Mike Foss.

I think we got a McAlister's on the way. Guess what? You're playing second fiddle, pal, okay? Thank you, though. Thank you, though, Mike. Dan Morgan, general manager of the Carolina Panthers right over here. Just stacked. Just absolutely jacked.

Talking to Bucky Brooks obviously. Hey how you doing dad? Great work down there dude. I don't know if you can hear us. Alright dad. Alright dude. I'll go fuck myself dude. Want to take a slide or dad?

What up big dog? How you doing man? Somebody thinks on this side now I'm talking to them. What up, dude? I can't see because of the lights, but what up, dude? Can't see. That's tough. Diving in for some more? Little napkin. I can't see because of the lights. Hey, you got it. Good to see you, man. I don't know who it is. I can't see anybody.

Good vibes. Good vibes, though. Great vibes. Great vibes out of you. I appreciate that. All right, let's get the hell out of here all the boys in truck. Great work today boys. I Think today much smoother than yesterday, huh? Yeah my micro Second day normally is lights LED board here for everything set up or easy in and you talk about Mike Foss with the Calisters Mike Foss let Tyrese Halliburton just sit outside for about 20 minutes earlier. Crazy. We did. Foss, way to go, bub.

Hey, baby, Mike. All right, let's get the hell out of here. Be your friend, tell a friend something nice that might change their life. We're in this thing together. Never forget it, okay? Team on me. Team on three.

One, two, three. Team. Goodbye.