The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1298 - LIVE from the NFL Combine, Michael Lombardi & Brandon Beane

Episode Date: February 28, 2025

On today's show, Pat & the boys are LIVE from the NFL Combine for a Feel Good Friday wrapping up an ELECTRIC week of conversation dahn at Lucas Oil. In the first hour, Pat & the boys reveal reports that Will Howard was seen late last night throwing balls in a hotel parking lot, who shined at Day 1 of on-field workouts for the DL and Linebackers, what to look for today from the Tight Ends & Defensive Backs today, replacing the chain gang with Hawk-Eye technology. In the second hour, University of North Carolina GM, friend of the progrum, & paisan joins the progrum for a live reaction to Matthew Stafford staying with the Los Angeles Rams, an update on life as a college GM, them being featured on off-season Hard Knocks this year (potentially), what he looks for in the combine and Draft Prospects, and more. Also in the second hour, Bills General Manager Brandon Beane joins the conversation to chat about what he's looking for during combine week, their focus on getting to the Super Bowl, building through the trenches, his recent extension signing with WR Khalil Shakir, and more. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN's YouTube (12-3 EDT) or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We will be back on Monday. Cheers.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to Lucas Oil Stadium here in beautiful Indianapolis, Indiana. The forever home of the Combine. This program starts now. Combine! It's magical as is that particular jib shot from Scott. That was different than any had done before. The Louisiana man can sense that there might be some gator nuggets on the way. This is our last day here at the combine but it will obviously continue through the weekend today it is the tight ends in the secondary working out on the field while others are bench pressing and meeting behind the scenes with teams

and medical and you name it it has been an absolute blast to be down here all week long now we've been hearing a lot of things, as I assume a lot of you have. We'll certainly chat about that. We have Michael Lombardi, the General Manager of UNC that'll be joining us at some point in the first hour. In the second hour, we'll have Brandon Bean joining us. Now, there might be some surprise guests, and there might be some stoppies,

and there might be some magical things that happen during the show from what we are being told. Now, it's not just me, obviously. I'm here with a great group of lads, and once again, Ty Schmidt has missed the program. Damn. No text from him today. We hope he is okay. If you could send your love to Ty,

we would be wildly grateful. But the talk table is here. It just looks a little different. At Boston Conner and Mad Mel Kuyper. Mad Mel, today, tight tight ends allegedly a deep class secondary people going to run fast. What are you looking forward to today here in beautiful Indianapolis, Indiana? Yeah, I think, you know, you mentioned how deep this year's tight end classes,

Pat, I think you're exactly right. Obviously the top two guys, you know, Tyler Warren, Colson, Lovell. I don't think they're going to do much today. So we're going to really test the depth today. A couple other guys, a couple of prospects who, if you go by raw athletic score, RAS, which everyone's talking about. The RAS score. We're going to see which of these guys

maybe makes a name for themselves and really pushes themselves up big boards as maybe the number three, number four, number five, tight end. Con man, I don't like hearing new names say they're not working out the combi. Yeah, I don't love that at all. I mean, Shador Sanders wasn't going to throw up, but came to meet and do medical. He announced that before the combine said, hey, listen, I got a lot of years

taped that you can watch. I'll be thrown in my pro day, which is a normal thing. This does happen. His workout partner, Cam Ward, also has come out and said he will not be throwing here. Tyler Warren, not playing Loveland, Loveland hurt. I believe Arroyo tight end out of Miami, also not working out. So you're seeing some people, big names,

high end guys not work out. Pretty status quo. Don't need that to become the norm with everybody though, Conn man. Yeah, it's terrible. I feel like those guys, at least they were, you know, consistently great all year, but it does open the door. You know, Will Howard, let's see what you got.

You can be the star here. And, you know, we hung around and watched the D-line linebackers yesterday. I'm not sure if that's my mic. Exhilarating. Exhilarating. Very fun to sit around and watch that for a little bit. They didn't actually have the times in the stadium. That was a huge miss, so we had to watch the TV copy as well, which was great because Rich Eisen.

The time is always like projected time. It's not the actual time. So I think they, because in the stadium, all the teams are getting their own time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is nice. But for the people in here, you know, it's tough to even know the relative, hey, it could be four seconds, could be eight, you know, who really knows how to clock those things.

But now, you know, it'll be nice to see some of the other guys step up a little bit. And I know there's a tight end at a bowl in green. Fanning is his name. Fanning, who's a absolute stud. He shattered end out of Bowling Green. Fanning is his name. Fanning. Fanning, who's an absolute stud. He shattered a bunch of records this year. So maybe a little less known guys,

unlike the Cam Ward's and Shadoors and Tyler Warren's and Loveland's, maybe make a little name for themselves here today, which would be nice. Yeah, put on a little bit of a show here in Indianapolis. You can certainly steal it and maybe bump up your draft, stalk a little bit. And that's what the magical thing about Indianapolis is,

is you got a lot of conversations happening behind the scenes, you got a lot of workouts, you got a lot of face-to-face time with these coaches. And you know, Jim Harbaugh said the other day on our program to start this entire week of us down here at the combine, he said, all these guys say they like to compete, well, here's an opportunity, come compete. Some of these guys can really do it.

Will Howard, okay? My source... Ciz! Are telling me that last night, 11pm at night, some people from Indianapolis were walking around downtown and they look into a hotel parking lot. It was a little chilly last night here in Indianapolis. And there's one guy taking drop backs and throwing a football over a parking thing to the other side and there's somebody coaching or catching it they get a little bit closer he said

well that's a tall big son of a bitch throwing a ball there sure is this somebody trying to just be like hey I uncle Rico this thing combine we call the NFL people here I'm gonna do this got a little bit closer it was Will Howard Wow it was Will Howard. Wow. It was Will Howard. Okay. I don't know if he flew in or got here earlier,

whatever the case was, but he had a throwing schedule that had to happen, did it at 11 p.m. last night in a hotel parking lot. Not for the cameras, there was no cameras around, the person walked by and said it was just him, and one other person who was catching the ball for him did not know who it was. Will Howard is ready to come out here and make a big impression.

I believe I've not talked to Will. I've not talked to Will's people. I don't know them that well. A lot of people are asking like, Hey, Pat, is Will Howard got you guys on the payroll? No, we just so happen to be at all of these games where he played his best ball and he's a big son of a bitch. And whenever you talk about being big, whenever you talk about having moxie, when you talk about being lik bitch. And whenever you talk about being big, whenever you talk about having moxie, when you talk about being likable, then whenever you talk about being able to put a ball on a dot,

it's like is that not what we're looking for in the quarterback? And then allegedly, I was at Cafe Patachew this morning, obviously in Indianapolis, staple. Great. There's a lot of people there. And some people were dropping some information. Had a great breakfast with Rich Eisen,

shout out to Rich Eisen for paying for breakfast. Shout out. Get a chance to kinda see people and chat with people. There's people that are like 10 of Ohio State guys were kind of asked if you could bring one player with you to the next level to a team who would it be? And I think eight or nine of them said Will Howard. So when you talk about a guy being loved by the boys, especially with how that season went losing the Michigan losing Oregon, a of money a lot of names a lot of egos a lot of hype going in that

could have kind of spun in on of itself kind of give credit to Ryan Day obviously for keeping the boys rolling got to give credit to Chip Kelly for being able to keep the boys rolling who I saw yesterday he looks fantastic let me go back to college win a national championship them and come up to the NFL and try to do the same damn thing as an offense coordinator this time not a head coach in the NFL has a lot more off of his plate, and he's able to just focus on football, which would be good. But Will Howard had touchdown celebration dances

with every guy on the Ohio State Buckeyes. He was the guy that they looked to to rally, and he was the guy that got it done. He's a national champion, he's a stud, and he seems like a perfect guy to lead your program. Will he come out here with Cam, wish a door not thrown? Jackson Dart will be thrown. Want the Ole Miss.

Well, easy. Easy. Yeah, can't alert. If you can say that. Yeah. Even though I say Ole Miss, are we even allowed to say the school name? No, you can't even mention the state of Mississippi.

Oh, is this America? Yeah, it is. There's a lot of people, you know, saying a lot of, we didn't start it, okay? It happened to be the number one trend in the world for about two days. We allude to it, saying, I got people saying I'm a terrible, I didn't, what are we? For Portland news. That's all.

I've already done this dance, I've already done this dance with somebody from Mississippi before, okay? So, I'm ready, if you would like. All the people that are coming after me, we're ready. We are A- okay in that world, but Jackson Dart out of a university in the south I guess not even read. Oh, we've not say that whole thing But he could potentially make a massive jump in this entire thing I love the opportunity for these guys whenever other people choose not to perform and I think we're gonna see that now today

Tight end secondary. Yeah tone what happened yesterday that is notable, and what's going to happen today that we need to talk about? Yeah, we'll start yesterday, and we'll start with the D-line, Shamar Stewart was basically the talk of the town last night during the workouts. He weighed in at 6'5", 267 when he was at the senior ball. He was 6'5", 281.

So he lost about 14 pounds to do what he did yesterday. Obviously, you're looking right there. He ran a 4'5, 9' at that height and weight, which is absurd. He also jumped a 40 inch vertical and a 10'11 broad. He basically had the same exact numbers as Miles Garrett in the combine. Obviously, Miles was a top pick

and had 32 and a half sacks in college. Shamar only had four and a half sacks in college, so the production wasn't there, but as an athlete, he was an absolute freak yesterday. Yeah, and he lost some weight from the senior bowl until now. He was listed at 6'6", 290 in the guide. So was he originally that, then he gets down to 281, now he's at 267. It's like, what will he end up being?

If he gets down to 260, 255, is he only going to get faster? Runs a 459 at almost 270 pounds? What an absolute specimen and I believe everything he did was in like the 99th percentile or 98th percentile and you know I don't think a lot of people knew Shamar Stewart's name maybe before yesterday and then yesterday everybody's like hey this guy's gonna do a day, this guy's gonna have a day and he did so he shows up in a big moment has the body type in the making to be a great NFL player. Good for Shemar Stewart making himself some real money yesterday. Great, also on the DND line group, Landon Jackson out of Arkansas. He is 6'6", 270.

He jumped 40 and a half in his vertical and he ran a 4'6", 8", which is ridiculous. He had 6 and a half sacks each of the last two seasons. He's a late round first, early second guy who probably helped his stock a ton yesterday. He also redeemed himself in the bag drill. In high school, he had a tape come out that wasn't great in the bag drill. Yesterday, just an absolute monster,

just a different human being. Yeah, definitely. And I think he was obviously going crazy around the internet because of the high school bag drill. And people were like, you remember this guy? And it was like, no, I I actually didn't and then once I saw the video I was like oh yeah I remember the guy walking up stopping smacking a bag and then jogging four yards smacking another bag and rolling he had a hell of

a day for the whoopig suey buns yeah hell of a day and then we go to the linebacker position a guy we talked about yesterday who was gonna show out and did show out Jahad Campbell the linebacker from Alabama He weighed in six three two thirty five or in a four five and then was just at like super smooth in the linebacker drills So he secured himself at first round spot yesterday and like watching his tape like he sees ball He goes against ball So he he definitely helped himself yesterday and then the last one was James Pierce, Jr Who when you were going through Abdul Carter's stash yesterday? You were talking about Abdul Carter and then you the second name that you mentioned the entire time was James Pierce Jr.

the edge out of Tennessee. He had 17 sacks the last two seasons. He ran a 4-4-7 yesterday at 6-5-2-45. So I think he solidified himself as the number two edge to probably come off the board. Somehow everybody's getting faster, bigger, and stronger and it's an honor to watch you know all the hard work that has gone in behind the scenes to get to this point. Remember we're just watching these dudes do these things. The amount of hours and early wake up calls and strict diet and everything that has gotten to this point,

absolutely bananas. Congrats to James Pierce Jr. Let's go back to Jihad Campbell. Cause I was watching all the workouts last night. I think they went till about 10, 10.05, 10.15 last night. Late night last night. Now I was watching the entire thing. He's lanky.

He is a long lanky fella. Incredibly smooth. A lot of the workouts they had them doing, uncomfortable and awkward. We're talking about full sprints, one direction, then telling you to stop, turn around, having to sprint back and then catch the ball being thrown directly at you,

maybe at your body or at your face. Tough things to do. He was clean throughout the entirety. There was a guy from Georgia. Yeah, Shmael Mundin. What's his name? Shmael Mundin, I believe. Shmael Mundin?

I believe that's how you pronounce his first name. I could be completely wrong. I'm not 100% sure if that is what his name is. That's M-A-E-L Mundin. Junior. Small Mundin. Whatever it is. He's a linebacker.

Can we put the tweet up that I put out there? Yeah, here's the, is that the work? Yeah, here it is. Shmael. He's a linebacker. Can we put the tweet up that I put out there? Yeah, here's the is that the work? Yeah, here it is. Shmael Mundon, Jr. Linebacker from Georgia. I didn't know we didn't I didn't I thought we didn't have the video. We must have found it very late. Okay, so we find the video. So he's running one of these drills right here, and I'm watching this last night, and this guy is moving. You talk about 50-plus tackles each of the last three seasons. These are the exercises. Full sprint that way, stop, turn. Now a strike is being thrown at you and that hits him right in the face and he just jogs it right off. And to be honest, I don't know how that doesn't happen more to these guys.

How often are you sprinting directly at a quarterback and he's throwing a strike right at your face? So that thing, you're running full speed one direction because that's how you're being judged. Are you going to be able to go full speed, stop, turn, go full speed back and then that thing's running right at your one direction because that's how you're being judged Are you gonna be able to go full speed stop turn go full speed back? And then that thing's running right at your face looks like an easy catch a lot of guys made to catch a lot of guys Dropped it. He got hit right in the face bonked right in the nose or the eye I thought potentially they said no and he ended up getting back in there

But it was a lot of activity it went very long last night and the energy was insane on the field We saw some guys benching this morning, a lot of juice. Wow. Looked like there was some movement. Feels like there's some special situations popping up here. Yeah, it is. And then today we move on to the D-backs and the tight ends, like you said, and a guy that I think is gonna do

kind of what Shamar Stewart did yesterday, and while everybody is Nick Emanwory, who's a safety from South Carolina, he's 6'3", 225, and he expects to run like low four threes, and he is just an absolute monster on tape. He's 6'3", 225, and he expects to run low 4-3s. And he is just an absolute monster on tape. Remember when Taylor Maze came out and wowed everybody at his height weight and then ran in the 4-3s? They're expecting Nick Emanwory to do that today.

Malachi Starks, who's the safety from Georgia, who is personally, when you look at the safety, he is by far the best at playing the ball in this draft. He's going to run in the the four threes most likely today people are gonna be very very impressed by that and then you move to the tight ends we talked about the tight ends that aren't doing anything today and Connor rest reference Harold Fanning out of Bowling Green a Mac guy so we're gonna see him today he set the record for most yards and most catches in a tight end and one

season in football and college football history so So we'll look at him today. And then the other one is kind of a forgotten guy on that Oregon offense, Terrence Ferguson tight end. He said he's going to run very well today, 6'5, 260. So if he moves well today, he's also going to move up. Okay. So Terrence Ferguson, obviously that Oregon offense is what it is. You know, the way they move the ball and everything like that.

He was a monster, but they got a lot of guys over there on that Oregon team that are monsters. Excited to see him show up. And then in the secondary, there's a guy that's going to run a four or two. Yeah. Maxwell Harrison. He's out of Kentucky. He's the guy that DJ said yesterday was one of his three guys that he said could push the Xavier worthy record. And then we talked to some sources about Maxwell Harrison, who said he's definitely going to run. Probably they expect him to be the fastest 40 in the draft. OK, well, he's not the only one that thinks that. I saw a couple of people say they're going to run the fastest.

Yeah, both out of Texas. Isaiah Bond thinks that he's going to run the fastest of all time. Wide receiver. I think we have the video, right, Foxy? I'm going to break the record tomorrow, for sure. I anticipate running 4-2-0 or possibly I'm feeling great. I might win 4-1.

OK, OK, so he feels like that's how he's gonna go Mr. Bond, shout out to him saying that he wasn't the only one. Yeah, Jaden Blue out of Texas, running back out of Texas, he said the same exact thing. So those Texas boys, which you know, they ran with Xavier last year, so they might have an idea of their speed against him. So they think they're going to compete with him this year. Yeah, and obviously Sark is a track factory, I guess down there. Makes you wonder, you know, with everything else going on,

is that just gonna continue? Is Texas gonna continue to have that speed? And if they do, what is Arch Manning gonna do with it? Oh, oh. Quentin, yours playing through an injury last year is kind of what the narrative has become here at Combine. So a lot of people are impressed with his toughness. We'll see how he throws and does everything here

at the Combine, excited to watch that. The convo around the Combine though watch that the the combo around the combine though Yeah, it's not a bit about the prospects It has not been about what's going on in the field now granted if bond runs a 419. It'll certainly That'll become yeah, or blue. Whatever the case that'll become the combo the combo here Is is a deal gonna get done with Matthew Stafford. Because remember, this beautiful city of Indianapolis, Indiana, which is the greatest host of any event that you would like to have. Literally.

Any event you'd like to have, Indianapolis would like to host it, and we'll do it better than anybody else. We're built for hosting, we love hosting, and the reason is because we got a lot of restaurants that are within walking distance to everything. We got a lot of servers, the within walking distance to everything. We got a lot of servers. The service industry here in Indianapolis very much understands what the deal is. They'll keep restaurants open. They'll keep bars open.

They'll give back rooms. They'll give privacy. They'll let people have their convos. And it's become an NFL spring break to get deals done or test out the waters for if there's any other conversations to be had. The big one happening here, Matthew Stafford. He's the first domino, they say, in the quarterback. Not just for the older potential free agent quarterbacks,

not that Matthew Stafford's a free agent, but he's been allowed to snoop around, so you might as well consider him that. Aaron Rodgers hasn't officially been released, but he's like a free agent. Sam Darnold, the entire, Russell Wilson, Justin Fields, you know, Kirk Cousins potentially, we'll see what happens with him.

But the domino that needs to fall first allegedly is Matthew Stafford. He is looking to get paid from what everybody has been saying. And once he gets decided now, the draft class quarterbacks get viewed a little bit differently. Now the other veteran quarterbacks get viewed a little bit differently. But what the hell is gonna happen with Matthew Stafford? Well, I think it's been reported, and if it hasn't been reported, I guess we,

no, I don't think we're breaking any of those. I think everything that we're about to say has been reported. It is difficult though. Without a doubt. Because there's a lot of conversations happening with a lot of people that know a lot of shit here at the combine.

So what's going into this year? Like, the amount of times I'm saying, am I allowed to say that? Has that been, am I, what is the, you know, I feel like I'm an insider almost at this point. I feel like we all do, like, cause we're just shaking hands with people and passing, and they're just dropping information.

It's like, I didn't know that. Is that a- You didn't say off the record. Yeah, but we're trying not to catch anybody up. And we're not in the insider game. But I think what has been reported is, this morning, as we speak either Moments ago or still currently Matthew Stafford in the Los Angeles Rams meeting now

There are other teams that are very very very interested from what is being reported and what source Says have been telling us the Raiders allegedly very very interested allegedly There is an offer that is very much in play for Matthew Stafford to potentially go to the Raiders if he doesn't get something figured out with the Los Angeles Rams where he only has 4 million guaranteed coming up into next season, which is basically a nothing contract for any player, let alone a starting quarterback, let alone a guy who's gonna end up in the Hall of Fame who wants to play ball still.

So whenever you think about Matthew Stafford, you think about okay, he's having a convo with the Rams today. If that ends up going very well does he go back to the Los Angeles Rams? Okay if he goes back to Los Angeles Rams now everybody that was looking at Matthew Stafford to potentially be their quarterback is still in the market. Raiders, Giants, Steelers. How about the Browns? They're gonna go young but what are they gonna do? So once Matthew gets figured out which we are being told and I think is being reported is gonna get figured out today.

Today we will know what is going on with Matthew. Does that mean during our show? Does that mean later tonight? Who knows? But what's happening with Matthew allegedly cooking as we speak over there in Los Angeles? Well, you mentioned it. I mean this kind of everything hinges on this. We really can't move any other chess pieces until this gets done and it kind of sounds like I mean, this kind of everything hinges on this. We really can't move any other chess pieces until this gets done. And it kind of sounds like, I mean, if nothing gets done with the Rams, something is in place with the Raiders. Now, granted, you know, there's still pieces that need to be moved around, but you wonder, you know, if he does go to the Raiders, is that one of those things where, hey, he's going to bring Cooper Cup with him and he maybe brings a couple other guys with him because we already know that

the Rams are going to move on from Cooper Cup Now obviously, I think the Rams give him the best chance to win in the interim But who's just I mean the the Raiders haven't had a quarterback in years. That's kind of what I mean This is a new Raiders rich cannon. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, that's the last guy worth the shit Speaking of Derek are allegedly gonna be the Saints quarterback going forward exactly a great player He was great, but obviously didn't have the type of success. So it does kind of feel like Matthew Stafford. He might be one of those guys where if he goes to the Raiders, you know, who's to say that he doesn't turn them around

right away? Obviously, we know the Rams want him back. It's all about the money at this point, but we'll see what happens. You know, you get a couple of suitors out there kind of tickling your taint, and maybe you don't decide, you know, hey, I want to go somewhere else. Yeah, there is a chance that that happens, Conrad.

Oh, yeah, it's very plausible. And it also sets the draft. Like when you're looking at those top four picks, you know, the team, two of the teams you just mentioned, the Browns and the Giants, they're both in the top three. And those are kind of the quarterback needy teams still. And you know, with the Raiders, you would think, sure, they could go get staff and they can get cut. But I wouldn't rule out them even drafting the quarterback after that because Brady is

probably one of the loudest guys of, hey, sitting behind someone and learning and being able to see that obviously, him and Bledsoe, Rogers. And there's been guys who haven't done that and have had a ton of success, Jaden Daniels, but it feels like that is kind of the most for sure way to get your rookie quarterback to become great immediately. And then that would set up some of the other teams as well. And the Browns, you would assume no matter what, at two are going to take a quarterback just because that number two pick has just been the definitely going to be a guy. If you have the number two pick and you take a quarterback just because that number two pick has just been the, you know, definitely going to be a guy. If you have the number two pick and you

take a quarterback. Let the number one team do their thing. You guys decide. Hands off. Number two, whatever quarterback you take, history tells us in the last two years they are going to be unbelievable immediately. But really Stafford is going to make so many massive, you know, decisions for other teams based on where he goes in with this upcoming draft. And the Las Vegas Raiders, obviously they're looking at a quarterback, need a quarterback.

Talked to Chip Kelly yesterday. Chip Kelly said, literally right out here, I said, you guys need a quarterback, right? And he goes, every team needs a quarterback. And I'm like, okay, Chip. That's not true. Okay, no, but he's saying- Technically, yes, every team needs a quarterback. Yeah, yeah, that's right. He was literally just being like, yeah, but he's saying... Technically, yes, every team needs a quarterback. But all right now.

He was literally just being like, yeah, I need a quarterback to play football. And he said, do you want to play quarterback for us? I'm like, Chip Kelly offense? Hold on. Are you going to be calling that, you know, that entirety? I think the fascinating situation with the Raiders, and you brought it up there,

all the OG quarterbacks are like, we're rushing these guys in here. We're rushing these guys in here. We're rushing these guys in here. We're giving these guys no chance at all. Now Tom Brady, who everybody at the combine has basically said, very active. Tom Brady has been very active in being the owner of the Raiders.

Tom Brady has been very active in like, hey, not only my investment, but also if I'm associated with this place, I would like it to do well. I would like it to go well. Now, he just so happened to be skiing in Montana. At the same exact time Matthew Stafford was skiing in Montana.

They're both incredibly wealthy, got same houses, or got houses in the same community out there in Montana, and they just so happened to be there. And you know, that is kind of what's being reported by one particular party, the Starbucks scuffle. And on the other side of the Starbucks stare down is saying, you think they just so happen to be in the same town in Montana at the same exact time in this timeframe where one is

wondering what the future looks like and the other is needing that exact person. That's what Schultz is saying. And if our network is saying they just so happen, hey, happenstance. This happens with rich people all the time. And Schultz goes, I know. I've grown up in the ridge world but there is always so that has been an argument but I think what hasn't been said is that they didn't meet when he was out there that they didn't go skiing together whenever they were out there and that kind of falls in line with everything we're hearing about Tom Brady is the owner whenever the head coach interview was

happening with Pete Carroll you know was running the interview Tom Brady whenever every other interview was happening around the building you know was running the interview Tom Brady as the owner. Whenever the head coach interview was happening with Pete Carroll, you know who's running the interview? Tom Brady. Whenever every other interview was happening around the building, you know who's running the interview? Tom Brady. General manager thinks Tom Brady. Now, I would assume Tom Brady is very much involved in who's going to be our quarterback. And I think that is why whenever PFT and Floria reports like, hey, there's common ground in Vegas, it's like, yeah, because Tom Brady's quarterback understands quarterback situation, understands exactly where Matthew Stafford is whenever he went down to Tampa. And he can also tell Matthew who's looking for a massive paycheck, allegedly is what

being said. Now there is nine figures in an offer sheet somewhere allegedly for Matthew Stafford in this entire thing at this stage. Congratulations to him on that. But Tom took like 25 mil guaranteed to go down there to Tampa to build up a team and win. It's like what is he saying versus what other teams are saying? What does Matthew Stafford want? How's the meeting go this morning with the Rams? I mean there's just so much to kind of go into it all. In all eyes are on the Georgia Bulldog, Matthew

Stafford, draft class 2009. Oh, you as you. Did you know something about? Yeah. You mentioned it. He got picked 221 picks ahead of me. You knew that, Mad Mel. Well, it's out of doubt. But, you know, and a lot of people said, hey, maybe you should have, you know, been a second, third ground guy, you know, and they just didn't give you the opportunity. Didn't look enough tape, you know, maybe didn't get eyes on you.

I didn't invite you to the combine. Bingo. I didn't invite you to the combine. Thanks, Mad Mel. Not my decision. No, that's not what I heard. How many combines have you done? Every single one of them. Okay, so. Not my decision. No, that's not what I heard. How many Combines have you done? Every single one of them. Not my decision though. I'm not inviting guys.

Oh, so you don't have anything? Well, you know, do I have say, do I not have say? I mean that kind of, you know, that's something we don't need to really discuss right now. You mentioned the money situation though with Stafford. You don't want to phrase it like all he cares about is money obviously. He's a quarterback in the NFL. He has a whole career. career but you talk about those situations look at the tax situation in Vegas a little bit different than the tax

situation in LA a little bit different than what they're reporting about you know the New York Giants saying hey 90 to 100 mil guaranteed right when you come here your your dollars going a little bit farther in Las Vegas and it's going into any of those other places so if if money is one of the kind of end all be alls of this whole situation. One of the caveats, if you will, then who's to say the Raiders aren't, in terms of being able to compete with the Rams,

they're right there. So let's just play this out real quick. Matthew Stafford goes to Raiders. That means we assume Aaron's gonna be in conversation with the Rams. You would assume that is how that is gonna go. Darnold probably too. And then Darnold probably in combat with the Rams or with anybody at that point.

And then now these other teams are at the top, they need a quarterback. They have to start saying, okay, do we dive deeper into the rookie quarterbacks now? Is that maybe what Shador and Cameron are hearing too? Like, hey, teams are kind of waiting to see what- Yeah, for sure. Is happening with the veterans quarterbacks before that? Tamer here and do like, hey, teams are kind of waiting to see what. For sure is happening with the veterans quarterbacks before that. And they're like, well, if we throw now and we have a great day, of course, it matters. But the only thing we can do is hurt ourselves maybe going into this

conversation. I don't love it. I understand it business wise. But if you go out here and light it up, maybe whenever one of these teams that is going to inevitably end up without a vet goes, yeah, I want that guy over that guy. Now Browns, we assume, going to take quarterback. We assume they're going to take quarterback because they have to, because it has to be a rookie quarterback, has to be cheap.

They can't afford anybody else because they don't have it. So whoever goes there, everybody's saying Cam Ward. Everybody's saying that's going to be Cam Ward. He's the number one quarterback. So now you look at the Giants, you look obviously at the Titans, you look at the Raiders, you look at a lot of these teams in EQBs, who falls in where? I think there's a chance that more rookies. Yeah.

Kind of get drafted early than we had been talking about all the way up until this point. Well, that's how the movement will be so interesting. Obviously, the Patriots, the Jags at four and five, neither of those teams are taking a quarterback. The Patriots have Drake May, the Jags paid a lot of money to their quarterbacks, so they're not doing anything. I mean, Titans, Browns, Giants, Raiders, Jets.

Yeah. All of them. All of them need a quarterback. Top seven. And nine saying that they're sticking with Derek, but- They need a quarterback too. Do you need a rookie quarterback? I mean, that's a lot of-

They met with Cam Ward. They met with Cam Ward, and they don't have that much money. Obviously, they're in cap hell for who knows how long. So who says they wouldn't trade up to New England at four? Cause I think it was maybe it was field or as DJ yesterday talking about how at five, you know, the jets are in love with somebody. There's only Cam or Sador left. Who says they don't hop the Raiders and go to five and take a quarterback. And then I don't even want to speak just for our city, but I mean, Indianapolis Colts at 14, they said it's open competition, the quarterback, would they want a young guy or they maybe

want something else? I mean, like there's a lot of teams as you start to look at it and as we start to hear conversations and now granted the people we're hearing from are people that would like these younger guys. You know, they would like these younger guys, good opportunity, but they're like, hey, we're hearing a lot more interest than what is being reported. As teams continue to look at their situation and the situation around it, it's like, yeah, maybe we take a shot on a guy because a quarterback can be very cheap and that can help your entire

salary cap if you can hit on a rookie guy. But also, I saw I was listening to your podcast yesterday, Mel. You made a good point about, you point about the Giants at number three, like, Dayball and Joe Shane. If they don't win this year, they're already on the hot seat. Are they going to do it with a rookie quarterback at three if they don't get Matt Stafford?

I looked into this, and maybe it was somebody that was around Dayball and Shane. Not them exactly, but somebody from that area, maybe the PR burst. Maybe the PR burst. Comes over and. Maybe the PR person. Could be. Comes over and says like, hey, our building thinks you've been very fair with everything. Just want to let you know that.

Like with the way we talked about the hard knocks and everything. Nice. They don't hold it again. Hey, you guys have been very fair. And I was like, that was very kind. Then dropped in a little reminder. Day Bulls won like five Super Bowls.

He was coach of the year. National champion. Like a, yeah, I know it's with Bill, but he's just saying like he's been around a lot. Nick Saban and Bill Belichick are like, Day Bulls guys, they're like, let's not, like don't forget that please in your conversation. With everything we have going on,

like please don't forget that Day Bull has had massive success, which is why Mara is very much like, OK, you've seen it. You've done it. We've been behind the eight ball in a couple of situations. Let's see what you do. But them getting a young quarterback, you would think would be able to help out the rest of roster. Or maybe them going with the vet,

like they're saying with Matthew Stafford. Like if they get a vet and then they pair neighbors with one of the best athletes of all time, and Travis Hunter to come out, and whether he's playing wide out or D-back, like they immediately a pair of neighbors with one of the best athletes of all time in Travis Hunter to come out, and whether he's playing wide out or D-back, they immediately become a better team than Scherderer. And Connor mentioned it.

If they do get Stafford, the Raiders still, they've been mocked Scherderer at eight, or whatever, seven or eight, whatever it is, in every single mock because of the relationship with Tom and the native quarterback. So yeah, what happens with Stafford, to be kind of put up, not a bow on everything, but what happens with Stafford is huge for everything. And allegedly today, so last night I was watching the Combine,

I thought the NFL never did a great job with the Combine. Congratulations to them. Legit, I think they've done a good job with figuring out how to film it and do it. Rich and Daniel Jeremiah are the perfect tone for it. It's long. I mean, you're watching golf. You're watching golf in there.

Vraibs did look sweet in this. Always does. He's a big son of a bitch too. You know what I'm saying? He's just a big son of a bitch. If you're a player out there and you want to coach for someone that's been there, done that,

we're talking about Travis Hunter. How many Super Bowl catches and how many touchdowns Mike Vraib will have? A few. A few, not just one, a few. What did they say about the Patriots with Travis Hunter, how many Super Bowl catches? How many touchdowns did Mike Raible have? Yeah, he was talking shit to Travis Hunter, yeah. A few, a few, not just one, a few. What did they say about the Patriots with Travis Hunter? The meeting between Raible and Travis, they did have a little jovial conversation

before Travis left talking about like, hey, you're not the first guy to do this. Yeah, but also in the evaluation of Travis Hunter, the New England Patriots, have we heard anything about how they... The Patriots said they consider, and this is just being reported, this isn't from... This is not from Vrabel to us, this is from other people's reporting. No, this is just from reporting, and it's not from Elliott Wolf either,

but they consider Travis Hunter the number one corner and the number one ride receiver. Now, that could be coming from Travis Hunter's agent, who heard that from... I mean, there's just so much shit that gets kind of thrown around out here. Just like footballs by Will Howard at 11 o'clock at night. We were told that by somebody not associated with the NFL. Somebody lives in Indianapolis. We live here. So we know a lot of people around town and they're like hey saw a guy, huge guy just throwing a football in a parking lot at 11

o'clock at night. We're, look at Uncle Rico down here. And we said, yeah, fuck it. We're going to go see who that is. It was Will Howard. It was Will Howard. And then just like a quick, what the hell's going on to the other guy who they did not know. And he's like, ah, I had a schedule.

He has like a schedule. There was a, you know, so he got to do this. It's like, this guy might be the guy. This guy might be the guy. And this person couldn't reiterate enough. The guy that told us this. The source. I don't want to give up.

I almost just said name there. I almost did too. That's the whole thing. That would be the biggest day of this dude's life. You don't know. A guy in the NFL. A guy in the NFL. No, no.

It's an indie guy. It's an indie guy that saw this who literally was just downtown and saw it and it's like The thought that there was no cameras around like wasn't trying it was just like I gotta get this in somewhere It was like back parking lot like hidden away almost as if trying not to just trying to get shit done It's like that's a hilarious aspect of it all who are football guys who are guys that you want to bring into your culture You know, it's like if you listen to Crystal Ball down in Miami, Cam Ward definitely a guy you want to bring in. He said he flipped that entire place on its head, was an incredible leader.

Shador has it in, like everywhere Shador's gone, team has followed and gotten better. Incredible toughness, obviously able to do the entirety. Jackson Dardsby, loved, we believe, down there in the school in the South. Oh yeah. School, school in the south. Sweet potato pie and we'll, we should probably put a line through that. Yeah, I don't even know if we're allowed to have that on the graphic underneath Jackson Darts. You know, you don't say names and people still, I mean, there's.

Lane Kiffin's team. There's been a lot of things. Brother, it's the number one trend in the world. What are you gonna do? Well what do we, I mean we're a topical, but like what are we, and I think if you listen in entirety there's some empathy there at the end. Oh yeah. And the whole situation, which we certainly have, but with that being said, made a football point. Not ready. Just want to let everybody know. Right. No names. Alluded to a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very viral news story. Tied it in. Used the legend a couple times. A lot of times. Because we learned our lesson. Because we've danced this dance before. Yeah, it's not our fault.

With a Mississippi person. We've done this entire thing before. So I mean, we hate that the situation happened, but it did. Sure. And it's like, we didn't create that. No. It's like we just, we-

We report the news. Not our poppies. Nonetheless, he's beloved by his team. You watch the Jackson Dardas be loved by his team down there and all this. It's like all these guys seem like guys you wanna get in your building too, which would be great for an organization.

And I'm excited to see if this draft class has a lot more winners than it does losers because there's next to no hype. But the reason that there is no hype is maybe because these guys are just boring team guys. Maybe these guys are just boring team guys. Like maybe, you know, maybe these guys are just boring team guys in this entire. I think a lot of it has to do with, you know, the quarterback class last year was just so good to tell. And they don't think those guys like just by watching

tape or whatever are those guys yet. So it's like, hey, it's down here. So they don't have the hype or whatever. Well, you know, when we were talking about the Raiders, you know, they do have a new OC and you talk about Will Howard, like, could that be? It doesn't feel like he's going go number eight over there but it could it be a second round yeah I mean you have no idea I legitimately I mean bonus from what I'm here this time last year was not a first time bingo then puts on a show it was panic panics wasn't it yeah Sean Payton meets with

them and Sean's like I love this guy they start looking at the tape through like your offense his eyes with the guy even JJ last year and he was the guy he wasn't doing it in a parking lot. He was doing it in the convention center hallways or whatever, and he actually got filmed. Everything gets filmed, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean.

That did not with roll there last night, once again, because they, that's crazy to me that that's happening. But to your point, go ahead, pal. No, I was just saying, because of last year's class and how they performed in their first year, I think that's why the hype isn't there. But who says that that can't happen with all the guys this year too?

It's also inevitable that as we sit right now, like this game of quarterback musical chairs, someone's gonna get left out. And someone is going to panic on draft night. I know this class, even on my big board, don't have a whole bunch of these quarterbacks going, yeah, exactly, we'll see what they do on the field. But there's going to be one of these teams who's putting all their chips in either the Matt Stafford or the Aaron Rodgers basket.

And that doesn't work out for them. So they might be inclined to trade back up in the first round or do something like that. And who's to say that we don't see four quarterbacks get drafted in the first round? Well, that's what's crazy. We're talking about if Stafford's here, they're all over the place.

If he stays in LA, right? OK, so now all of a sudden, none of those top 10 teams that were looking at Stafford, they're not getting them. Let's say because of the Aaron Rodgers situation, who knows if teams want to do that? Because at least with Stafford, you know, you've got four or five years. He's still playing at a playoff level, Rodgers.

Although we think he's great. It didn't go well for the Jets. And then looking at Darnold, what if he stays in Minnesota? It's like there's so many, the musical genius. Last two games with Sam Darnold. They were tough. And that might have hurt. Isn't that crazy?

It might have hurt his back. $75 million. Yeah, and it wouldn't really make sense for him to sign a massive deal in Minnesota, because you know, KOC is KOC. You know, say what you want about JJ McCarthy. If JJ McCarthy isn't great, KOC is KOC. Say what you want about JJ McCarthy. If JJ McCarthy isn't great, KOC is going to make him great. OK, no matter what.

That's why you have Justin Jefferson and TJ Hawkinson and Aaron Addison. And maybe Aaron Jones comes back. Like, that situation seems set up for any quarterback. So it might only be Sam Darnold. And then all of a sudden, it's like, OK, well, the Giants and Browns, they're not probably gonna move.

They're probably gonna stay pat. So do the Raiders then go get Darnold? Do the Raiders then try and move up to one? Because that's another thing with the Titans. We're talking about the Titans, well, they're probably not gonna take a quarterback. What the hell are we talking about? Okay, we all watched the Titans last year.

They still need a quarterback. And this is a new GM, and we've seen it with new GMs. You've talked about all the time, like those guys want the stamp on their own team and sure like they have. I think the Titans are praying to God that somebody really wants one. Yeah, for sure. Yo, cuz they probably want to you talk about new team. Exactly.

And maybe they take Abdul Carter who is generational, as who is, you know, generational, as we say, even though he's got a foot injury. No, no. One team said, or we don't know how many teams, maybe two teams said, but there's 32 teams that are testing that foot out. And he woke up the next day and I would assume another team's medical said, we assume this has been the way this way for a while. Well, only the Titans gym or whatever was the guy that said he didn't even say him, he just said a lot of people hate that

generational world. Hate it. Yeah, but you never know. Yeah, correct. Somebody could be, is that in Vin and Terry generational? Yep. You could say that. I would say, right, you think whenever he was coming out of South Dakota State, go big, go blue, go Jacks, anybody was saying this guy's gonna be generational? No. I don't think so, you know, you have no idea. That's the thing about the draft that we have to remember. We need to remember this. And we talk about this on draft night a lot because we have six hours to do it It's like a lot of these guys are gonna suck. Can't wait. Okay A lot of these guys are gonna suck and a lot of people that we think are gonna suck

Turn out to be yeah pretty good and a lot of people we have no opinion about come out of nowhere in our great I mean that is just the history of the NFL That is the reality of every single draft class and that is also the reality of this time of year when people really win somebody over. You win over one team, you're in a good spot in the draft. You win over two teams, much better spot. Now granted you win over three, this is just like business. Anytime you have more people interested in your products, you're going to have a run up offer, you're going to be able to do that whole thing. But all it takes is one. Atlanta Falcons and Pennentecost they were the ones they said we love this guy

We just paid a guy. We don't care This is somebody that we think is generational when maybe if you didn't watch Michael Pentecost in college at Washington or at, Indiana You didn't think that going into the draft because he wasn't chatted about as much as Caleb and Jayden and Drake May You you get it in that entire thing. All you need is one team. Sean Payton loving Bo Nix. All you need is one team. And whenever you hear somebody say during draft night,

well, that was a reach. No, that was one team that liked somebody a lot more than everybody else. And we'll assume that they have a vision for said person and have them make, or make them successful. Oh, and some of those guys, I feel like if we talk about a bunch, their entire career, like like, we almost get bored with them. Like Brock Bowers, when he was a freshman at Georgia, it was like, oh, this guy, this

guy is generational. He's going to go. And then he doesn't even go in the top 10. You know, it's like, guys, obviously, you go back, you redraft. He's a top three pick. He was one of the best players in the NFL. I think he was all pro this year. Was he?

Was he one of the first? Was that the record. He set the record. Yeah, like he said he set the all-time record for rookies and it's situations like that like with Tyler Warren you think about it's like hey This guy was so good at football, but he's not gonna do the combine He's gonna do his pro day and he's doing meetings and stuff But like who says he doesn't drop and then in October it's like how is Tyler Warren not a top five pick? Why wasn't he talked about as one of the best dudes? And then you mentioned too, some of these guys that are gonna suck, they'll end up like McKay Bekton, where they'll be talked about and ridiculed for

so long. And then they'll go to a situation like Philly and be a future all time guard, one of the highest paid guys. Could end up like that. The guys that end up sucking and just not finding the right home or just actually sucking in football, we don't talk about them ever. But McKay finding a new home, I mean,

it's happening with Sam, it's happening with all of these guys, but other positions, it very much happens as well. I mean, our guy D-Buck, our guy D-Buck gets drafted third round, second round. Second round, top of the second round. Yeah, top of the second round, first, late, know whenever it's his pick is traded on draft night they go it's basically like an end of first you know like if you were about to do

this conversation goes to New England okay goes to Carolina okay comes in Indianapolis perfect setup and he's at the perfect time of his career so there are some people that maybe need to find their spot and go off it's like but there's gonna be guys that we don't expect to be Hall of Famers, Hall of Famers out here. Oh yeah. And you talk about Tyler Warren.

It's like, wasn't he there? He was there. He was there. He was their offense. Yes, yeah. And it's like. They didn't have wide receivers. I wonder why or what the Convo's gonna be about him,

especially with the importance of a tight end and an offense. Yes. I mean, if you look at how important that position has become to the sport of football, feels like the tight end should get a lot of shine, which today, big day for that. OK, speaking of things that would no longer shine, the chains. Oh, no. Yeah, chain gang is a backup officially, and dead.

Good. Mad Mel, we're about to have a moment of silence for the Chain Gang. Ah, fuck it. Chain Gang sucks. What? Now listen, if we're watching leatherheads, you know, if guys have leather helmets on or we're going back to the 1960s, sure. The only thing that we heard about the Chain Gang in the last couple years was when one of these guys who was overweight and probably shouldn't have been on the field, you know, not in good shape,

would have like a horrific leg break. That was the only time we were talking about the chain. Or, you know, if it was, here we go. Yeah, that's, I mean, what the hell, this is a billion dollar, multi-billion dollar league, and we're getting a chain link fence and bringing it out. Like, what the hell are we doing? And we have the technology

where we can finally move past this? Well, the strength of the chain is obviously the strength of each individual link. And every once in a while, when one link starts dosing with another link, it causes an absolute logistical nightmare on unknotting the chain. Now, I do believe it has lost a lot of its luster since this man retired. Gene Steritor, Jenser Pizon, he say, listen, that tip of the ball is passed. That's a first down. I'm sorry about it.

In the grin of walking away from this, he thought to himself, I'm a genius. Nobody else has done this. Everybody's wondering defense offense. I don't know. I don't know. I know. Hey, Jack, you're going to be coaching in Europe. First time.

Jason Garrett goes, hey, how about it, how about it? Now, the issue with it all is, and that's a tush-push play there that is also being discussed, obviously, at the entirety. But a little bit deeper into this tush-push play is the spotting of the ball. How are they gonna spot the ball? Well, they said that they're gonna use some sensor now. Okay, how are they going to spot the ball? Well, they said that they're going to use some sensor now. So, Chen Jing's out, they're going to use some sensor. This was pitched last year.

Hawkeye techno, I would assume this was pitched a decade ago. But last year, it was actually put onto the field of play. And the only reason why we know this is because I've been in avid hey, this can't be in 2024 how this goes. We can't be just judging things off of us. We can send a FaceTime, you can send a thing up to a satellite and then it can just send over some,

and we can just see people in 8K somehow, okay? I have no idea how that, we can create, AI can think of anything, and we can't figure out where the hell the ball is without bringing this thing out. I respect and appreciate it as a backup if we Without a doubt if there's a malfunction in something But there has to be some sort of technology that is able to actually document not only first downs touchdowns You talk about everything punts even it helps out like where the ball go out of bounds

I mean, there's just like so many things field goals if it's up over top of the post, where is it? I mean so many things that if we could figure out that technology, what you would assume you could, and then the people from tennis, Hawkeye, came in and said we got you. We're gonna figure it out. We need cameras down the lines. We need a camera moving now, and then we'll be able to do it. We were celebrating these people. Okay, we had McEnroe on. McEnroe from the tennis community said oh Hawkeye technology now, that adds in a whole nother element. And we said, what's that?

And he said, well, tennis players say that with their eyes, best in the world, these tennis players, they look down with their eyes and they clearly see that the ball is out of bounds. So they challenge it, which is why Hawkeye happens. And then Hawkeye goes, oh, and And then boom hits the end of the thing and the tennis players like That's not real like I literally just saw it now granted here the motion Maybe a little bit of blur maybe sweat drips in the eye. Maybe you miss it. Whatever the case is maybe Hawkeye is right But this adds in a whole nother element of rigged

Conversations that are on its way that we didn't know was happening in tennis with the Hawkeye technology, but there are tennis players that are like, oh, the league is working against me right now. The league wants this person to win. Like there's people that think Hawkeye works handsome. So whenever Hawkeye gets the NFL, we're excited, but we are precautious a little bit. Then it debuted and it was crap.

Okay, absolute crap. It was pre-season game, Detroit Lions throw. Whoa, what a ball, what a catch. Keep the clock rolling here, second quarter obviously. Kennedy makes a great catch. They show a replay. From the beginning of the play now, we're 35 seconds in. It's obviously 45 seconds into this thing.

Everybody, now I assume commentary is chit chatting about it, but they haven't shown it on there. They're trying to figure out where the hell the ball was. Okay, was it a first down? Was it not a first down? We got this new Hawkeye technology. The central will be able to tell us, Dan Campbell goes, Hawkeye, where are we? Because on tennis, we turn up, look at the screen, it's you, oh, boom.

It's immediate. And we could have got, you know, people with 14 different eyes and chain game out on the field to the other side. Maybe they have run a gasser. We're still waiting. It's three minutes and 16 seconds later. 319, all on air, first of all. And then boom, it's short. It's three minutes in 16 seconds later 319 all on air first of all and then boom it's short It's like, okay

I guess that's good three minutes in 30 seconds So that is longer than the chain game So if we're gonna bring in this technology All we hope is that it's more efficient because the bitching about reviews and the bitching about everything else all revolves around the game Stopping in other stuff happening So as long as this can be efficient and accurate We're all in and I think everybody will be all in but they can't have that roll out week one with this whole entire Situation comment and they know that they have to know that because they scrapped it quickly after that

Yes They scrapped it very quickly after that and that's why it does feel as though they've had to have some sort of progression between that dog shit and then where they are now because they wouldn't just throw the chain gang out without knowing like, hey, the product we have now is going to be quick, it's going to be much better. You're going to be able to tell within a little 10 second period, but hopefully that the chain gang is done forever. I still think we should line up old guys so they can get obliterated by people on the

field. The knees and stuff. They'll still be there. I still think we should have a job for the older folks with the league. Sure, sure. You know, the entire thing. Because some of those guys are 89 years old. They ain't got nothing.

Literally, they're just coming to the chains. They're going home and they're trying to get back to doing the chains. The chains served its purpose in the NFL and in Football as a whole and we appreciate it But just like everything robots are coming. This man seems like a robot has an answer for everything. Oh, yeah business strategy Inspiration advice football the general manager for the North Carolina Tar Heels Michael Lombardi They're shimmering. They're shimmering.

I love that. I love that belt. It's awesome. Felix Mutual Lombo. I did it in purple yesterday, by the way. Appreciate it. Thank you. Wow, you did see the plum suit that was attacked by Tyrese.

I loved it. Who attacked it? Tyrese Halliburton. It's his birthday today. Happy. Oh, actually, his birthday is tomorrow. It's leap day. I appreciate you clapping for him, because he does deserve it. it's a leap day I appreciate you clapping for him because he does deserve it he's a leap day baby so it's

only four years out of that weirdo so happy birthday Tyrese that guy doesn't have as many birthdays everybody else kind of a bummer but happy birthday to the new North Carolina Tar Heels you have a brand new general manager head coach operation in the football department. How are you doing? We're great. We're doing good. You know, we're just we've been a dead period So we had a chance to get the players in work out do all that stuff. So it's been great yeah, we set up our recruiting for 2006 which is everybody's ahead of it and It's been great. You got to watch a lot of high school tapes seen some really cool high school stadiums, seen some bad high school stadiums.

You know, I mean, Texas, I got to tell you, Texas high school. Love ball. Oh man, those stadiums are incredible. Yeah. You know, we need a little bit more of those in some other cities, but it's been great. I think the game will continue to do that in other places. And there's a lot of great high school states, obviously Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Texas, California, Georgia, Louisiana, I think has some great South Carolina.

And I'm sure there's other states that I'm missing. Montana's got some guys. Montana's got some guys. We watched a kid from Idaho the other day. It was great, yeah. So you're loving it? You're loving the process? I absolutely love it.

It's great. Everybody says, well, how are you dealing with it? It's different than pro football in the sense that you have to work three boards. You got 07, you got 28, you got 26. You're dealing with that, the portal, but it's a lot of fun and you know, it's the same thing. I mean, when I worked as a GM, you know,

everybody wanted more money, everybody lied. It's the same two things that happened. Everybody wants more money and everybody lies. So it's good. Let's talk about that process of you being an NFL general manager Because you're back at the combine. I know you just landed. Thank you for making time Will you be able to stick around with us after the break too? Sure. Okay, sweet So you'll be able to talk to us next hour. We'll get a little bit more Lombardi convo

But you come to the combine is it? Glory days feel thinking about the NFL stuff or what are you here doing right now specifically? Well, there's so many people here there's so many contexts that you know from my time in the league that you want to reconnect with because you're they're going to have players too, you know, in terms of whether what happens with the portal. So you want to be able to really it's about the maintaining the relationships you've had with these agents that I haven't had since I was doing media. So I want to reconnect with them and everybody's here at this place at one

time. I had a bunch of fundraisers to go to this week for our North Carolina folk and so I couldn't get here until today but that's the best thing. This is the best meeting place for everybody. I mean there's more action happening at the hotels when I worked in the league than I was actually on the field. Okay so let's talk about that a little bit more. Matt Ruhl said that the general manager for his team, the Nebraska, when he was with us yesterday, he said, I'm here, and he is currently meeting with the agents and stuff.

And it's the same agents or NFL guys that there is for high school guys? Pretty much. You know, it's the same, it's very reminiscent of the time. They may have a guy that wants to enter the portal, who knows, everybody's talking hypothetical situations. But you have to have a relationship with the agent to understand when you're talking to him on the telephone what you're dealing with.

And a lot of these guys I have from my time in the league, but there's a lot of new agents that you don't know. And you need to kind of maintain that relationship and see if you can, because you got to get a sense of it. It's easier to have a conversation with somebody after you met him. We need you to get introduced to money to you. Money to you, man. He's Aaron's guy. He was the guy, Joe Shane Hardenok's phone call that was on the other side. Ed, it says on the captions. OK, that is he young lad, strapping lad.

Go be good, beard, good dude. That's good business. Does good business. I could tell in that call. It wasn't going to give Joe a shot at another thing. I could tell in that call So let's talk about the hard knocks offseason it is tweeted by Ari Mirov I do believe at my sports update He is a grinder Ari Mirov is an absolute grinder whenever it comes to aggregating and finding news. Per Sports Report, Bill Belichick and UNC will be featured this off season for the Hardknock's off season season.

Okay, so we loved what the Giants allowed us to see. Okay, I think all of us did. We all chatted about it. There was a lot of things learned because it was our first time ever watching that entire process and there was a lot of things said. You guys have it this year, is that accurate? You guys got a great relationship with NFL Films. It would make sense too with how college ball is becoming pro ball at this exact time.

I think there's a lot of conversations going on right now about that. I think we've had a lot of offers from people all over to have us come in and look at our program and kind of do the behind-the-scenes things. I don't think anything's yet beneficial or signed to it to make it happen. Don't let Seqwango. Who would it be? Don't do that. Would it be you? Would it be you negotiating that or who's making that decision? No, that would be the University and we got to make, you know, when you're dealing with the University and the brand that we have at North Carolina,

which is incredible, you got to make sure that everything's done right, all the T's are crossed. And obviously, Bill has been talking to different people that contacted all of us here and Bill's been sorting it out. So you're saying there's definitely a conversation happening. You guys in NFL films know each other very, very, very well. Yeah. I mean, that's very well documented. It's a tremendous place.

Agreed. And so they do an incredible job, but I don't think it's official to be. It's a tremendous place. Agreed. And so they do an incredible job. But I don't think it's official to be where it's at the point where we can say we're going to do it. If we do do it, the idea of doing it is to let people examine what we're doing and see people take a look at the 33rd team in the NFL on how we're building this program

and what we're trying to accomplish. And I think it'll give an accurate portrayal. I've often said if you're going to hard knocks, you gotta let people know you know what you're doing because people are gonna look at you and people are gonna judge you and what you know and you've got to really be able to teach a class. It's a good idea though, recruits watching too. Yeah, you gotta teach a class. Parents watching too, all that.

Yeah, like Mel has to teach a class on how to scout. We gotta teach a class on how this all happens. And so that would be the intent and let people know, look, there's not many times that you can have the greatest coach of all time take you into a meeting. Yeah, I agree. And if we were able to get access to your entire thing where you were building a personnel department, scouting department, Bill's doing his thing, you guys are going to high schools, recruiting, how does that go? Those conversations, we'd all be very intrigued by it, but I also think the college football, like either transfer portal guys or high school guys or parents would obviously watch that.

Like when you come on here and you know you're an incredible good businessman, but when you come on here and you talk, I think whenever people, the more they hear you, the more they're like I want to go there. I met some UNC kids that were carryovers from maybe the last roster or whatever and They're at a Monday Night Raw. I think in Charlotte. I think they were up there in Charlotte They came to the Monday Night Raw and I talked to him and I said hey You're gonna be dealing with Michael Lombardi now Bill Belichick obviously greatest of all time But you're gonna be with Michael Lombardi utilize him as a resource. Okay, like use him as a resource

He's a person that I use as a resource. He has a wealth of information on so many things. So when you're talking about becoming a man and leaving college and being a better person, like your experiences are all like a weapon as well, I think personally, for the right people that are looking for that type of stuff. I appreciate that, but that's our job is to take these kids from being, everybody thinks college football is amateur,

it's no longer amateur. They're all getting paid some form of compensation. And the key is to teach people how to become no longer an amateur to become a pro. You know, that's the key. When you wake up in the NFL in your first year as a rookie, you have to learn how to be a pro. And if you don't know how to do that, you get caught behind.

Yeah, I think so. And I think that's why you guys have such a head start. Like when Bill came on, and we talked to him about going back to North Carolina And we're like you're gonna hate that aren't you and he's like we've done all this before There it's NFL you guys are treating it like an NFL operation so it'd be a great hard knocks Whoever gets it and whoever does it we can't wait to watch out Warning I've got this condition where I don't feel pain. You're a superhero!

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From Craig and Isaac, from the CIB of Indianapolis, the City Improvement Board, who are the people that work directly with the NFL. Shout out to McCarthy, Carly, Jeff. You know, had some obstacles that were certainly, you know, there was a lot of that from all parties. Made some magic happen, and then the entire crew That set everything up and I know we've been shouting out Scott and everything like that

But whenever you talk about everybody that went into making this happen, we can't thank you all enough I think it's been a magical few days It's been fun to be able to catch up with all old teammates and friends and old coaches and meet new people that obviously I've been a fan of Wink Martindale was in here yesterday because he was watching his boys and then I got the chance to meet D-line coach Esposito and the entire crew there it was like nice to meet you guys nice to meet you guys people I had heard of but haven't got a chance to really meet in person I've

done it here so I'm very thankful that we've been here for the past three days and it's been a beautiful kickoff to the offseason. The talk table looks a little different today. Okay, and please send your T's and P's to Ty Schmidt who has missed two days in a row. I wonder if the Iowa guy has forgotten a work ethic. It's at Boston Connor and it's Mad Mel Kiper. Mad Mel, I know you have high, high praise from Michael Lombardi joining us, the general manager of the UNC Tar Heel football team. Without a doubt, one of the few guys know has always shown me a great deal of respect

I obviously respect him he is my GM I feel like he kind of got blackballed you know towards the end of his career in the NFL. This guy's the GOAT okay so if you know you're in an NFL building and you have any ill will or malice towards this guy you can kiss my ass as well so that's kind of how I feel about my team. Really? Oh yeah without a doubt. Okay. I went to the bathroom and came back, Mad Mel, thank you for that kind of layout of it all. And I would like to echo that sentiment. You know, I didn't know that that was potentially

needed to be said, but we do say that. Hey, Lombo, we love you, buddy. I love you, Lombo. I love you guys, too. I really appreciate everything you've done for me It's been a blessing really now you help us out. Let me tell you Lombo about how we truly feel about you Okay Doing a daily show. Yeah, three hours. Sometimes we go four. Sometimes we go two and a half. Sometimes you go five Okay, so it's like whenever you do that lucky to do it thankful to do it. Okay, but there's some days where Man, we should not be taking anybody's time. Like, nobody should spend their time with us today. So we try our

best to, like, show respect for people who show their attention to us or enjoy their day alongside of us. We try our best. And there's some days where it's just like, there's not, this is crap. Like, we we cannot this is not good and everybody's first thought is Lambo and what you have done for our program and you don't even know this I assume on days where there is real anxiety for me maybe 15 not a lot of news when it's like 15 minutes before the show starts and in my head and body having real anxiety like today's the day where people realize that they need to stop watching this program we send a text or a call to you and you

have never said no to us and anytime you come on anything we ask you about could be business could be quotes from the past could be about war strategy could be about football could be about anything yeah you have like a phenomenon and you're an hour eater that That is awesome. Hey, we got an hour eater in Lombardi. Biggest compliment you could pay to someone from us. From us. So that is how we feel about you. We absolutely love you.

Like you need to know that. That's very nice of you. And I appreciate being on this show because it really helped, you know, my career and sold me sold books, which I really appreciate. You know, you know how that goes when you're in the book business. But yeah, it's been tremendous. I mean, I love doing this. I really sold books, which I really appreciate. You know how that goes when you're in the book business. But it's been tremendous. I mean, I love doing this. I really do.

I know Chuck wanted to go back, but I know there's part of Chuck that still likes this and still likes doing this. Yeah, Chuck's not going to be able to stop by, I don't think, in his new position. No one over there. No, you went to the Cone of Silence when you go in there. Yes, I understand that.

One half of the hammer, done. Cowboy's Tone Diggs is here. And obviously, Lambeau knows everything about the hammer down Cowboys tone digs is here And obviously Lambo knows everything about the combine What do people need to know about what happened yesterday at the combine and what's happening today at the come? Yeah yesterday There was a few guys a handful of guys who really stood out Shamar Stewart being the first one being you know, six five two 70 jumped 40 inches broad 10 11 for ran the four six basically the The same numbers as miles Garrett when he came out.

Actually, there's only four guys in the history of the combine who weighed more than 260 and jumped 40 inches. It was Mario Williams, Miles Garrett, Shemar Stewart yesterday, and also Landon Jackson yesterday, who also is above 260 and did the 40-inch first yesterday. But I wanted to ask Lambeau a question after that, off of that. So Shamar Stewart has all those numbers, has the 10 RAS grade, the RAS grade or whatever.

RAS! That's crazy! But he only had 4 and 1 half sacks in his college career. As a GM, do you go back? Do you obviously have to go back and be like, all right, why did that happen? Or how do you evaluate someone who is just an athletic freak but didn't necessarily have the production he should have had to match that

That's great player, but it's not that's the hardest thing to do is because it you have to take some of these positions that everybody Thinks are all athletic positions and break them down into into instinctive positions, right to rush the passer is an instinctive position You can't run past the guy. You've got to know when to transfer speed to power You've got to be able to understand how to set up the tackle. You've got to know when to transfer speed to power. You've got to be able to understand how to set up the tackle. You've got to play smart. I was on the phone with a legendary NFL coach, and he was talking about- Oh, almost said the name there.

Yeah, he did. And he was talking to me about- Tuna. Uh, he was talking to me. Gotcha! It was. I didn't want to name drop, but it was on the phone with Parcells.

It was just the greatest. That's a baby con man. We know you, Rambo. The greatest phone call you can get is when you see Bill Parcells call you. It's the greatest. Because you're going to learn something. You're going to learn something. And for me, it just makes me so happy.

So he was talking to me about Jumbo Elliott and how he became a left tackle. And they drafted him. Everybody said he was a right tackle. So he went to Lawrence Taylor and said, hey, Lawrence, I'm going to put Jumbo over a left tackle. And they drafted him, everybody said was a right tackle. So he went to Lawrence Taylor and said, hey Lawrence, I'm gonna put Jumbo over at left tackle. You tell me if this guy can play. First day goes by, Lawrence doesn't say a word. Second day goes by, Lawrence grabs him and says, he's the real deal.

He's tough, he's got a nasty disposition, he's got great balance, all those things. And he's smart and you can't beat him twice's smart, and you can't beat him twice. Key word, you can't beat him twice. He knows how to set up his rush. He knows how to handle somebody. And there's instinctive positions in football. The reason I tell that story is because there's instinctive.

And so when you see these guys with great athletes or great 10 times, you want to say, oh, we can make them into something. But there's an element of instincts that go into this, right? It's like a don't tell me about a receiver that can run fast and hasn't had any production. Yeah. They've got to come together, right?

You can make all the excuses in the world, well, he didn't get the ball, he didn't. No, receivers, look at AJ Brown, didn't run great. Look at Debo Samuel, didn't run great, right? But they're great players. OK, so on that note about running great, there is seemingly, and we got the secondary here today, there is certain positions that if they run

a certain time though, it's over, right? Like corners one of them, you can't be a four, six corner, four, five corner. Well, it depends on your arm length. If you're a four, four, five corner, you're a four, five corner and you've got arm length, that arm length is gonna make up for that little bit of difference of lack of speed you have.

How good are you at the line of scrimmage? Are you a second 20 guy or are you a first 20 guy? Can you burst for the first 20 or are you losing speed as you're running? And I think more than any position, corner is instinctive. You've got to be able to jump off a one foot at a corner. You've got to be in balance to jump to make the play on the ball in the air. And you've got to have the sense to redirect. We've seen a lot of corners that run four, five, five that play a long ball in the air. And you've got to have the sense to redirect. We've seen a lot of corners that run 4-5-5 that play a long time in the NFL.

Because they're instinctive, they understand they can read the route, they know when to break and anticipate things. So yeah, I think to me you just can't go by that. You don't think there's like a disqualifier in the 44 corner position. Even in the modern day, somebody said they're going to run, Bond of Texas said he might run a 419. I've never seen that before in my life. Yeah, I've never seen it before, but maybe he can do it with the training and all that. But I do think the ball in the air, okay, you got to play the ball in the

air. No matter how fast you are, you've got to be in balance when the ball's in the air. It's like watching the NBA players, if they can't shoot off a one foot They can't play if they can't rebound off a one leg. They can't play and so it's a little bit like defensive backs You got to see their balance a tone Tell me about the tire tell us about the tight ends that are performing Today and the tight ends in this particular draft class because I think this is a good question For Lambeau mad Mel about you know the importance of that position and like we saw what Brock Bowers did last year Why aren't any of these you know being chatted about is it because Abdul and Travis are so different? Yes, so they're talking about the Titan class being one of the deepest

You know Titan class in a long long time obviously Tyler Warren Colston Loveland out of Penn State, Michigan They're not going to do anything today Arroyo out of me because you can't live in shotgun on fourth and inches and try to hand the ball off right? I agree and you got your team has no toughness if you can't run the football and you got to have tight ends that tight ends to me have always been the night in the chessboard. They do so many different things you need them. And so I like for when you build like who's the queen. Yeah.

Well, the queen is the quarterback, right? You know, what was the king? Well, the coach doesn't coach in GM exactly. That's because they're the last one to fall. Yeah. Yeah, it's probably the coach. Exactly. Because they're the last one to fall. Yeah, it's probably the coach and the GM. Checkers. We were doing, I've been doing an exercise.

So we have our board of our 26th class of all of them. And then who are the top 30 players on your board? We have 225 names on our board. Who are the top 30 offense? Who are the top 30 defense? And it forces you to say, how do you want to build this team? How do you want to build North Carolina's team? If we could get these 30 players, this would be great. And it's a good tight end.

There's a lot of good tight ends in America, as there are, because the tight end position is evolving. They're not all playing basketball now. And so it gives you so much versatility, because the object of football is to substitute without substituting. That drives people crazy. So when you can have a tight end like Gronk who can go out and catch a ball at receiver

and then you have another tight end who can line up on the line. Tony Gonzalez was really good but when he had Jason Dunn as the blocker with Tony Gonzalez as the move guy, they became a dynamic offense in Kansas City with Trent Green. And so you need those kind of guys and the tight ends give you that versatility, which makes you so much better. You know, Brock Bowers is great. Now if the Raiders had another blocking tight end to go with them, now how do you match up to that?

So now they're really in 12, but they're really in 11 because Bowers becomes a nightmare problem for the slot receiver. So you need to be in nickel, but you're in 12. But you're in 12, but they can block and they can run strong side and they can run weak side. See, everybody says they line up one of these receivers that can't block and play them as the third receiver. Well, they can't block anybody.

The defense knows to not run the ball weak side, so they know they're going to only run the ball one way. Well, they took Merr the year before that, so I assume Chip is going to do something like that. He's got a great advantage. They work perfectly together. And when you have that combination, like the Steelers have Firemuth, right? They have, he's one of the few on the line wise that can threaten the scene.

So now if they had another motion guy to go along with the way Arthur Smith calls defenses and the way they run, assuming they get a quarterback and all those things, they've got, you know, now you've got an offense that can substitute without substitute. You mentioned some goats there Tony Gonzalez Obviously Thursday night football we see him now He has highlights galore and changed the game from the tight end position congrats to him on everything in its entirety Then he mentioned obviously Travis you didn't mention Travis But we'll talk about Travis Kelsey to your point about blocking Travis

Kelsey felt obligated to get better at blocking as he got older Because he thought he could be an asset to the offense in different fashion. There's a couple big-time touchdowns that Patrick Mahomes scored where Travis Kelsey is lead blocking and like actually up in there I feel like he thinks that's a big deal. You mentioned Gronk though. Can you talk about how Gronk was just like he was a tackle and he also was a wide receiver. Watching him he was I mean he didn't get to play as long obviously with injuries, but whenever you're that big, strong, athletic and great at football, I

assume injuries are going to follow you. Like that is going to, that's how your career is going to go. And I think he probably knew that, especially going in or whatever. And maybe he didn't, maybe he thought he could defy it, but just like law of averages with the amount of hits he took with how big he was and how he played football was like, this isn't going to be a 15, 20, but it is going to be a group. Like, and he was big he was and how he played football was like this isn't gonna be a 15 20 But it is gonna be a group like and he was he was special man He really was he tilts the field in his favor It's a you guys are probably too young to remember mark bravaro The bravaro had a short career because of a knee and Jack bravaro was one of the most talented players

I've ever seen he could dominate the end of the line He could block Lawrence Taylor rare and then he could go down the seam and catch the ball. I mean, he was remarkable. And Gronk is a lot like Bavaro was, because he could play at the end of the line, but he could also run receiver routes. Now Gronk wasn't, you had Dallas. Dallas, another guy.

I love everything about Dallas Clark. Iowa, you know. That's how I do it, yeah. Yeah. His toughness, his juice, his competitive smear, everything about that. His quickness was so good, right? Athletic. Gronk was more of an over route, out cut guy.

It was a long, it was deeper routes for Gronk. Not that he couldn't catch shorter routes, but Clark was really good at winning third down routes. Gronk was good at winning down the field routes, and it was hard to cover. Because again, to quote the great Bill Parcells, when he was covered he was open yeah yeah and speaking of that man um cheese cheese bring it in ring of honor member oh there he is wow oh yeah that was cool that looks great yeah he's a ring of honor congratulations Yeah, he's a ring of honor. Congratulations, Dallas. Wow, it's perfect.

There's a quarterback suite? The slow zoom out, yeah, that's quarterback suite. Dallas obviously earned that with his years of great football, both at Iowa, where he was a linebacker, I believe, for a bit. And then we are right behind that particular camera right there. But the tight end position is a beautiful one. If you have a great one, and Peyton Manning obviously with Dallas did magical things. But you had Marcus Pollard too who could play on the line, why?

Pollard was before me, so I never got a chance to watch him work, but you're 100% right. The tight end position is beautiful. But you had Kobe Fleener and then what's his name? Dwayne Allen. Dwayne Allen was a tackle. He won another shoot ball with us in New England. Because he could line up and play on the line. When I say great, Dwayne Allen was, I enjoyed Dwayne Allen.

Were they the same? Same draft class, yeah. Third and fourth round, I think, or one out of Clemson, one out of Stanford. Kobe drafted before Dwayne. And then Dwayne got there and he was just like a grown man. He put his mitts on it. It was just like, and that's it. You ever get any locker room fights?

I was going to say, didn't him and Pat Anger have a little tussle in the locker room? I don't know what you're talking about. The butt naked bra? I thought that might happen once or twice. Pat Anger putting an arm bar on. That's gonna happen. That is, wasn't an arm. Nah, it might have been somebody.

Dwayne's awesome. Kobe Fleener though was very much like a go get it. I'm excited to see what these guys do. Tyler Warren was the Penn State offense as a whole. Connor has a question for you, Lambeau. So one of the things Toan said, the depth of some of the positions in the draft, tight end, D tackle, there's a few others.

Does that hurt some of the middle to top guys that are maybe not like a Mason Graham, who everyone has in the top five, but some of those guys that might be you know a little higher in the deep tackle draft But because there is so much depth that teams might wait to take him just because they're not nervous and then Schefter said this on Wednesday what does it mean? I forget Pat asked someone this yesterday as well But what does it mean when the 10th pick is very similar to the 35th pick when you're

evaluating guys? Well so you grade every player and every player gets assigned a grade and what Adam is saying there is there's only 10 players who are elite and everybody else is is for lack of a better turn in a in a cluster of players and the reason you trade down in a draft isn't because you just want to trade down, you don't have an, you have this impulse, is because you're trading to a cluster, you don't know who you're gonna get, but you're trading to a cluster of grades

that are all the same. So if you sit there and you don't get one of those 10 and you want to pick a defensive tackle and say you're picking 11th and I'm making this up, and somebody offers you a chance to go to 23 and you still have five tackles to move down and they're all the same grade Then you make that trade and so it's really just about the grades reflective of the board We get so Mel does this all the time, which is very annoying by the way. I want to say this I'm sure he's gonna have a question for you everybody It's very annoying when all we talk about is this guy's a first rounder, this guy's

a first rounder, this guy's more of a third rounder. That's really meaningless because the verbiage has to be attached to the player. What is the player going to do? And so what Adam's saying by there's only 10 guys that some teams think are immediate starters. The rest are potential starters. So when you put it in that category, you know, Mel will get mad because you take a potential starter at 11 and you should have taken them at 28, but they're still potential starters.

You have anything to say for yourself? Yeah, I mean, sometimes, you know, these teams are going to be, they're going to reach, you know, I'm going to have something to say about it. And that's why after the draft, you know, hey, listen, you may think you had a great draft in my eyes, you know, I'm gonna slap a C- on you. Cause I got a C. I got to see the proof in the pudding. Lombard, I did want to ask you about something though, something that kind of drives me nuts.

And it's been happening, you know, more so in years past, guys kind of just opting out to do the on the field stuff. You know, and we had Dick Casario on the other day and he basically said, listen, you can't put too much stock do the on the field stuff. Yeah. You know, and we had Dick Casario on the other day, and he basically said, listen, you can't put too much stock in the on the field stuff anyway. It's not like a guy is going to go out there and he's going to be a fifth rounder. He's going to go through the drills and then boom,

he's a second rounder. He's a first rounder. But do you think this is a trend that we're going to see more so in the next couple of years where this is basically going to turn into interviews and medical, and we're going to have more of these guys say, hey, listen, my tape's out there.

You can watch what I did in college. I'm not going to do the on the field stuff. And as a GM, how much does that affect kind of your evaluation of a player? Well, it's still a game of football. So you still have to watch them play. And I think that's the most important aspect. I mean, in college recruiting, we don't have the combine.

So we have to use basketball. We have to use track and field. We have to use basketball, we have to use track and field, we have to use other sports to kind of use as a reference to check their athleticism and to truly test how fast they are. Because it's hard to see based on the level of comp if they're really fast. But I mean, this trend has been going on for a long time. Guys opting out.

And we get it. And the agents do a good job of coming. You come to the campus, you work the guy out. I've often said to me, and this would have to good job of coming, you come to the campus, you work the guy out. I've often said to me, and this would have to be collectively bargained, is if you don't work out at the combine, then you have to come back to Indy, and then you have to take another drug test

to make sure that everything's clear because what you don't want to see is any, the guy doesn't work out at the combine, he doesn't test positive for form of enhancement drugs, he goes home for five weeks, he gets that going, and you can't test him again until June, and now all of a sudden you've been duped. I didn't even think about that. If you're Mel, Mel's biggest mistakes, and my biggest mistakes, have been when guys have

gotten drafted, when the word steroids probably was the reason why they got drafted. I don't know if nowadays it's as much but there's certainly science that people have. We had an era. I mean I... Tony Bandrich. I got sent to the library by Coach Walsh to do a report on steroids because we had no idea what steroids were. What year is this about? 1985. There was a defensive tackle from Boston College. I won't mention his name.

Sure, we can figure it out. 1985 defensive tackle. Yeah, yeah. See, now there's a lot more. The people suspected that he may be enhanced. But we didn't even know what that word was. We didn't even understand it. We had no idea.

So I had to go, I literally wrote a book report on, I can still remember writing it, all the drugs. I mean, that was probably the biggest book report. I was just out of college. I didn't do anything like that in college my whole career. So I was pretty proud of it. But you know, we got, you get duped on it. You get duped on it.

You just, you don't know. What was that documentary? Icarus. Icarus, have you ever seen Icarus? Yeah, I have. I've watched that. You know, and doctor scientists piss guy was I'll give you Another one there's a school. There's a school And I'm not going to mention the school's name that that was reproducing NFL players for a very small school at a high rate

Right and a you as an executive in the league and all of a sudden this small school in a big state is producing a lot Of guys you're saying wait a minute something's going on in a gym there somewhere, right? I mean you that's what you get paid to do is layers, right? You you started doing descriptors in a very small school started producing a in a small school in a big state starts produce I thought I didn't know how many more you're gonna get into there Guess to what school that was. I don't want to indict them. We don't hear any of that really much anymore the performance enhancing stuff that we hear about usually is adderall always that because the NFL never says what it is though so players are always the ones

that have to self admit that's why the guys who say like I got horny go-weed at the gas station and I think it was tampered I I know that, so I'm out for four weeks. There's guys that give like, used to at least give those types of excuses. Then there's people that have tainted supplements. I took a supplement but it wasn't on the bottle, which is real. Somehow supplements do not can just omit some things

because they're not, I don't think they're FDA regulated. So it's just like, in the NFL's policy is you know what you're putting in your body. It like sometimes sometimes you don't so that excuse has one that has garnered some attention over the years but nowadays we don't really hear about it much right I don't think we hear about it much anymore no I think and I think a lot of guys know that there's the European element you can go to Europe and some of these drugs that are not FDA approved so you're saying yeah wait wait a, it's still happening.

Well, I think, look, what's at stake, and I'm not accusing anybody of wrongdoing, what's at stake is a lot of money. I mean, this cap is at what, 275 million? 280. 280. Right? It's a huge, there's a huge investment you have to make in your body. And you know, you've got to do that.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have some breaking news out of Los Angeles California Matthew Stafford who met with the Rams this morning and was potentially gonna field offers from other squads because he only has four million guaranteed left on his contract next year allegedly was asking for a good amount of money he's staying with the Los Angeles Rams wow! it was a good meeting this morning McVeigh and Matthew Stafford we assume less need as well

met with Matthew this morning in their facility who knows what was discussed who knows what the deal will be at this exact moment but what appears to be a statement of yup! from the Los Angeles Rams is Matthew Stafford staying in LA rap is reporting that he ends up taking less than he would have gotten elsewhere to stay with the okay So we thought that was certainly gonna be something that happens Hometown discounts a real thing especially at this stage of life his family has their friend group He already has everything kind of sorted, his resumes already in place. So to pick up uproot

and head elsewhere was gonna cost some money. I assume the Rams knew that which might be why they offered him a low deal to begin with. They offer him a low deal and say all right if you want to go see somewhere else and then they find out what the market is and then they're able to make what is considered a fair deal to keep them around. Is that how you view it? Yeah, I think what they did was they said, look, we don't agree. Why don't you go see what your market is and come back to us?

And literally because we're not in free agency, he had to come back to them. Yeah. Right? And so this wasn't the Joe shame where Joe had, you know, really was in free agency. So, you know, then he comes back and now all of a sudden, do you move? Do I take 10 million less to stay here and I have to move and my time you add everything up And I think from the Rams point of view is it gave them time to say, okay Where do we get our next quarterback from? Is it Stetson Bennett? Is it somebody else?

You know, where do we go from here? And I think look they got the ball in the what the 13 yard line They were the only game that can see he goes. Yeah, the only tough playoff game Let's be clear the only tough playoff game. Let's be clear. The only tough playoff game again, the Eagles had was that game. And if they don't blow two protections, you know, where they don't block

Jalen Carter for some reason and some why, you know, he's still on the ball in the end zone. And that guy's special. He just threw to their Puka. And obviously Cooper is going to be gone, but Sean McVay, we assume in his offense is going to be able to move the rock. You know, the offense too already, which is another added thing about the money

going elsewhere. New offense, new system, new home, new life, new everything, new question marks, probably new gripes about things that are happening in that building. That's a lot of new, new, new, new, new. So in his eyes, he thought it was going to have to be very, very expensive. And I think he thinks he should get paid because of how he's been playing football and absolutely go ahead and do that. So I'll be excited to hear.

And he stayed healthy, which is key, right? I mean, this has been the key for Matthew is to stay healthy. Durable. Right, durable. I mean, nobody throws the ball better than he does. He still can throw the hell out of the ball. And the teams that were interested in him need a quarterback. Okay, so now that's the domino that falls.

Los Angeles Rams are sticking with Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford is off the board. Now we got the Raiders, the Giants's the domino that falls. Los Angeles Rams are sticking with Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford is off the board. Now we got the Raiders, the Giants, the Steelers. We got, put the draft board up. We got the number one overall team with the Titans, who, who's their quarterback going to be? You got the number three overall pick with the Giants, who's their quarterback going to be? You got the number two overall pick with the Browns, they're going to draft a young quarterback. Could draft a young quarterback. Titans could draft a young quarterback. It would make sense. Giants would draft a young quarterback. It would make sense. Patriots locked in. Jags locked in. Raiders could draft a young quarterback.

Jets could draft young quarterback. So now is everybody's... And you go all the way through there. The Saints, Derek Carr year if his could if they were they allegedly met with Cam Ward. Niners good, Cowboys good, Dolphins good, Colts could draft young quarterback. I mean there is a lot of teams that could draft a quarterback now that Matthew Stafford is staying with the Rams. If he would have wanted any of those teams obviously that changes the math a little bit but a lot of teams need quarterback. How do you view that? That's the position. I'm Sam Darnold. I'm pretty happy Okay. Yeah, you know I think Sam Darnold's marketability just went up a little bit more even though

I'm sure he has a lot of teams after him because who else is who else are the John who else you're gonna call? Who else is out there that you feel like can at least you can watch a tape and say this guy did a hell of a Job, you know, you can say well his jet tape wasn't good but that was a lifetime ago right? Speaking of jet tape not good, Aaron Rodgers we don't know what he's gonna be doing. Is he retiring? Is he coming back and playing? Our source says have told us that he's out of the country you know and we'll be on I believe the program next week so I assume we'll learn a little bit more there but he's

potentially in the market as well currently. Kirk Cousins potentially in the market yet again you know there is a chance that he is gonna be out there so a lot of these veteran quarterbacks Kirk Cousins will be interested because he's gonna get paid by the Falcons so he's a little bit like the Russell Wilson situation so that's he's gonna be an economic value for a team that thinks he still has something left in him all right Lambeau we going to slide you a little bit to your right. Okay. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who is a friend of the program,

a sandbagging golfer. An absolute gentleman, a lad of the lads, ladies and gentlemen, general manager of the Buffalo Beals, Brandon Bean. Hey Brandon! Do you know Lomba Bean? How you doing? Good to see you. Good to see you. Good, how are you? Mr. Bean, how are we? Good to see you. Good work, Bruce. Really good work. Give me your hand. Good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see you.

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Good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see you. Make me look good. I know it's tough. No, no, no it isn't. You're a handsome lad, young looking lad. Not as young as that Jaguars GM. Did you see that? Jimmy Coldstones. Yeah, he's 22. Jimmy Gladstone. Tommy Gladstone. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He, listen, he could be a guy, we have no idea. So let's lead into that. The general manager world is interesting. Obviously you've been a part of it and now you are in the middle of it at the very highest level with the Buffalo Beals and You have officially drafted and developed NFL MVP. Okay. Congratulations How much of this combine this event is

Attributed to whether or not you're a good general manager Is this like the ultimate test for a general manager in your eyes and how do you view this kind of event in looking? At next season. I think it's just a small piece. I mean, the number one thing here is truly the medical. You know, that's why this all started. But for me, the most important thing are the interviews that we get to do at night. Just the first chance to kind of get to know the guys behind the helmet and who they are, how they tick. We've obviously done a lot of background.

You know, we call Mike a lot and ask him about his guys real soon. They're good, right, Mike? Aren't they? All the guys. But that's part of background. You know, we call Mike a lot to ask him about his guys real soon. They're good, right, Mike? Aren't they? All the guys. But that's part of it. You're trying to dot the i's, cross the t's. And then from here, obviously, the guys that are working out,

you kind of get in that first basis of 40s jumps, all that stuff. And then we're lining out our pro days, private workouts, and then the 30 visits. So it's just one it's one piece. The medical thing is obviously huge. You hear these stories of whether this guy's going to have to have a surgery or, you know, which can affect their draft status.

Yeah. And the medical is interesting. Do all of them have to do medical or is it something that is, is medical like the only, feels like nobody skips out on the medical, right? Or am I wrong in that? In general, I think there's been one or two, but in general, they at least do that, which is important. If you're going to come here and not do the medical, then probably shouldn't show up.

Well, and if you're going to pay somebody millions of dollars, you should at least know that what you're paying for is operable. So let's talk about that. Abdul Carter, who's some people are saying generational talent, he on like a Friday or maybe I don't forget today maybe Tuesday maybe it was one whatever the case this guy's gonna need surgery on his right foot or his foot gonna need a bolt in there eight weeks

or he can power through and showcase that he's tough enough but he came across like medical has flagged him then the next day was like actually he's good to go is that as much as like one team flagging another team not or how does that normally go? Do you all get individual reads on people and scores on people when it comes to the medical? How does that work from behind the scenes? Yeah, so there's a kilometer to the best Doc's physicians across our country all here And so it may be one physician from a team It may not be the Buffalo Bills and maybe another one that flags it flags it. These guys all look at it, they talk about it, and they make recommendations to the player, himself.

Then the agent may get involved, the agent may have connections to a certain position, send them out. There's gonna be, on a guy like that, especially you're talking about a guy that's gonna be potentially drafted at the top, there's gonna be a lot of opinions on it. So I personally don't have anything

from our physician yet on it, but at some point- Yeah, you guys aren't. In the coming weeks, yeah, I mean- With Abdul, I'm just saying in general, this happens. You guys straight up to one? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Me! Hold on.

No, I was saying maybe it's really medically bad, and he should probably fall to 30. Oh, yeah, you're saying hard. Yeah, because there is a little bit of that gamesmanship. I'm not saying you guys would do it. No, we'd never. But at this point there is gamesmanship with like players and stuff, right? I mean that happens.

We saw that with CJ Stroud, remember? There was like a leaked one portion of a test that is just like one of like 10 scores, found a negative one, leaked it. This guy's a dipshit. Like there, and then it turns out obviously he's not. He goes on to do what he did in his rookie year. But there seems like there is stories that kind of get out there. How do you kind of dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge through that?

And do you all just understand that it's happening? You understand it's happening, but you've got to make sure you have the people that you trust to make those decisions. And if it's medical, you're counting on your physicians. And they understand how important it is, especially when you're talking about drafting a guy as high as Abdul Carter in this case. And maybe there's some guys that we may have a third round

grade on, and our doc may say, hey, I think this is a one contract player. He's got bad knee arthritis. I think he can make it three or four years. We may say, well, we're not going to take him in the third. But think he can make it three or four years We may say well, we're not gonna take him in the third But if he fell to the fifth or the sixth what's the odds of a fifth six rounder to contracts to make it to the second? contract so at some point take a swing and there's been many of stories of guys that have Failed their physical and they've played into multiple contracts. So at some point it's worth the risk

Yeah, I could imagine I appreciate the gathering of the information and you also telling us all this information. Now let's talk about your team right now. You got an NFL MVP, bro. I know that's not the ultimate goal, but as a GM, as an evaluator, as a scouter, you pick this guy. We saw what he was his rookie year, but you're betting on not only the player, but the human and the competitor and everything that Josh Allen is. And then from one year to the next, we watch him just become the prototype of what people are looking for. That would be a cool moment for you whenever Josh won the MVP legitimately because you

felt like a believer I assume? Yeah, yeah. I mean it's obviously he's he had a non-traditional journey, junior college, emailing all these coaches to get a scholarship, gets one offer at Wyoming. And then we know all the people that were questioning, you know, could he play quarterback at the NFL? And, you know, he drafted where he's drafted. He was criticized. We were criticized for doing it. So, but he never wavered.

You know, he took to criticism. And, you know, he's always had that chip. And just doing our research, this young man, you know, he had his chip, you know, way way before he people were giving him reasons to have a chip and he's got a chip now is excited as he was and honored to win the MVP he knows and we know the ultimate goal is to bring a championship to Buffalo and so that didn't remove any chip winning the MVP. Yeah he works his ass off you know I think it's pretty obvious that he works his tail off because development from

one year to the next is obviously spectacular and special. Lombo, you got any questions for Bean? Well, I think to me that his ability to be accurate, Josh, everybody questioned whether that could happen. Having coach work for Coach Walsh, that was like, could he ever do that? Because his arm and all that talent was amazing and credit him and your organization for believing that he could do because that's usually something that doesn't happen but my question to you would be you know you're like a lot of teams that have been so close that kind of have to break through the threshold you

know when you watch the Super Bowl what was your reaction to what do we have to do to break through the threshold yeah I mean ultimately I don't think you want to overreact naturally that game played out the way it did. Philly scored early and got a defensive touchdown and really allowed that Philly pass rush to pin their ears back. If that stays a one-score game longer, maybe they're able to stay in it. But Philly, you know, you go back to how did Tampa Bay beat them,

you know, during the COVID year, it was the same thing. Their D-line got, Their D line got after them. And so, Sean and I both believe in building up front and the weather's the O line and the D line. Obviously, you gotta have a quarterback. So that's probably where we could always look to improve and we've tried. And listen, I've gotta do a better job there as well, making sure that I give us the weapons that we need.

Trenches is easy. It's just so hard though, Pat. It's hard to pick where he picks and stay good. You know, it's just that the system's rigged against them, you know, and when you have good players, your system's rigged, you got to have cap problems. Now Belichick had a terrible drafting record, remember? That's what everybody said. Exactly, yeah.

And you're picking at like 30 and right now they're saying. That's how the system's rigged. Right now they're saying 10 to 35 is all basically the same. It's just hard. You're not going to find an elite three technique at 31. I mean, 4-2 probably not going to exist. 4-3 probably not going to exist. It's a hard thing to do, especially when you're trying to get that off.

I mean, Howie's sitting there and he got a defense of the three technique just dropped in his lap, right? I mean, you know, just didn't miss it. You had that, right, Mel? Without a doubt. You know, I say, hey, best player on my board, you know, you'd be an idiot not to take him and somehow You know the Eagles slide up and and get him Brandon I did want to ask you a question though Now listen this happened last year and I wonder if your philosophy has changed at all

Obviously you guys trade with the Chiefs, you know, and they end up getting Xavier worthy Talambos point he was one of those guys. I for two for two guy at that time. Yeah, for two was there. Yeah. Scoring the AFC title game. He did now and everyone obviously, Connor is a Patriots fan, as you know, so I just thought I'd mention it. You know, fans and people on Twitter are gonna, you know, take potshots at you and shit on you and say, Hey, what are we doing? We can't beat the Chiefs and we're you know trading with them and letting them

get another guy they got another guy who maybe we could have used do you take any stock into that I mean are you thinking at all on draft night hey we we can't you know these guys are calling we can't trade with them because they're a team that we're gonna see down the road in the playoffs does last year does that put a sour taste in your mouth at all or is that something where it's like hey guess what guy on Twitter, go fuck yourself. I'm the GM of this team and I know what I need to do to kind of put us in a position to win a Super Bowl.

Yeah, I mean to me you always, your first thing is what is the best decision for the Buffalo Bills and you can't worry, you don't have their draft board, they're not calling you and you understand anytime you trade out of a pick that they could take the highest player in your board, like how far do you want to go back? And so we just felt like we moved back and then we moved back again, but we acquired a third round pick out of that

and we did not have one. So we got a defensive tackle in Dwayne Carter that played a lot of meaningful snaps. People look at it as they want to make a battle between Kion and Xavier. And what I would say is it's okay if both players turn out to be good players in the NFL. And one player can fit one team better, the other one can fit their system better.

We're one year in, I don't think you can ever decide whether a player is going to the Hall of Fame after one season or that he stinks. And all the glory to Xavier Worthy. He did a nice job year one. We like Keon Coleman as well and we're excited to get him where we did. And time will tell if I'm an idiot or not. There's other reasons I'm an idiot but time will tell. Yeah, cuz he's sandbag on the golf course.

Is that why? You think that's a reason? Well, I was gonna say he kinda stuck it up their ass with Shakir anyway. So it's like, hey, guess what? This guy's pretty good. Congrats on the new deal. Yeah. Okay, all right. so obviously over the last couple of seasons we've seen him come into oh who is this guy to oh this is a guy and

obviously you think the same thing you paid him. Congrats on getting a deal done. Yeah no excited to get Khalil he's one of those guys that has become more of a household name year three but found him in the fifth round out of Boise a couple of seasons ago and late in his rookie year, Josh and him really started forming a rapport and then he actually led us his rookie year in receiving in the postseason that year. And then we come into year two for him. We still had Gabe, we had Steph and you know, I thought we had a real good trio with those

guys but we had a lot of confidence and Gabe got paid. We were, you know, we're happy for Gabe. You don't want to lose him and we made the decision we did with Steph. But a lot of that was the confidence that we had in Khalil and the guys that we were going to bring on board. And he did not do anything but give us more confidence and we're excited to be able to extend him through 29. Fifth rounder to signing that big deal.

Congratulations Khalil Shakir. Legit, that's a big deal. Tying it back to the combine, great hosting, thank you. What did he show? You said fifth round you got him, what did he show here or in the process that made you think that he could become a guy? Yeah, I think he's one of those guys,

he's a sneaky speed, you know, we saw him at Boise, he could play inside, could play outside, really smart. He was at the senior bowl, I thought he stood out down there the week I was down there in practice. I don't remember what he did in the game, but in practice you could feel he's just one of those guys. He was always open. And at Boise, when the ball was in his cylinder, his frame,

he came down with it. He's reliable. He's consistent. So I think just what you saw on film, plus every step of the way Senior Bowl combined, and then when you interview the young man, he's got a quiet confidence. He's not going to boast and tell you how good he is he's just gonna you know he's a launch pail

he's he fits Buffalo you know you know perfectly yeah you have a great culture up there to keep building you transition now into your new roster what you're gonna have to do especially whenever you have an NFL MVP in a very good amount of players you're gonna have to figure out your next team your next team obviously you watched New England have to do that for a long time 20 years years. They had like four or five different teams there that were able to have success. The Chiefs are doing the same exact thing. You guys are gonna have to do that. Now back to the original New England Patriots fan, Boston Connor has a question for you. Yeah, yeah, and we'll see if you can do that. Not many can. The Chiefs

even can't, so you know, no pressure. Don't worry about it. Don't hold that standard, that eye, because it's unsurmountable. to the point of you know rebuilding the roster salary cap now two seventy nine point two million Obviously massive number highest of all time Is it a relief having that number kind of set in stone now and you can kind of make your? Projections of who you guys can sign who you can bring in what contracts you kind of need to change or is that already something? You've been working on and also you know knowing that you're paying Josh a bunch of money, does it help a lot now that we are all the way at damn near $280 million at the cap?

Yeah, I mean, listen, in my seat, you always want to go as much as it can. Because you know- Squeeze a few more in it. You're looking under all these cushions for a couple of dimes and nickels. But yes we we always try to error you know as the at the end of the season when we're looking at the guys we want to extend or guys we're gonna have to move on from we're kind of erring on you know we were in the kind of too low 270s as what we were figuring up what we're gonna have to be at so then when last week we got the range of

277 to 281 and 5 I think and. And so to get this number, it really helps. We're obviously studying that. We extended Shakir. So now is when you're having those conversations of guys on your roster that you want to extend. Can you create space by extending a guy, restructuring his deal, or potentially moving on? Last year we had, as Pat was talking about,

we had a year of transition. Everybody we knew. Yeah. I still remember you FaceTime I mean what are we doing you just cut every player that I've ever known it's not funny I was still hurting over doing that I didn't think about you being a human I didn't think about you being a human I'm just like this guy up here's got no soul. Hey, what are we doing? You're like, yeah I know this is a tough day right now. My wife's already yelled at me about it. But it's not easy that's part of the business and if you're gonna be successful you're gonna have to continue to do it.

I'm excited to watch you take advantage of the lower end of those salaries of the 279.2 which is the rookies coming out of the draft. Tone has a question for you. Yeah, Mr. Bean, question and kind of you know a tidbit for you because last, Mr. Bean, a question and kind of a, you know, a tidbit for you. Cause last year we were at the owner's meeting and we said, hey, it's a deep wide receiver class. You should take a wide receiver.

And then you did. Remember that? Remember that? I'll keep bringing all the advice. This year, tight end, you're good there. Running back, you're probably good there. Great pick out of Kentucky last year. And then-

Dude, he was much faster, I think, than I thought. And he was able to take- Yeah, very good. Yeah, he was- And then- Mel had it the whole think that I thought and he was able to take it. Yeah, very good Yeah, he was no had it the whole way. You know, I thought it was a first round It's a great value get him where you got it and then D tax amount So I'm just saying probably With your pick 30 was a 30 probably D tackle this year So if when you're looking yesterday last night, you could probably go home today I think you probably saw your guy last night and who is it I don't know yet we'll see tell me who tell me who's

there and I'll tell you who are the tackles what's the name out of organs Harmon okay so you know better than I would hope I know I'm better than you. Well, let's go. That's why you're on. I know we got Mad Mel. So I respect you. Yeah, I respect. National champion Ohio State, he tackles probably in that range. Michigan, Michigan, Collins, Kenneth Grant's in that area. So, you know, just a couple just get them all down to me.

I'll be the best one. What do you think of this draft class thus far, though? The depth of it, to his point, is in a couple of different positions, allegedly. Just get them all down to me and I'll be the best one. What do you think of this draft class thus far though? The depth of it to his point is in a couple different positions allegedly. At your position, normally going to be taking need, not necessarily best available, like 30 whatever. Best and... Yeah, you want it to marry. Yeah, obviously you want it to be the best.

If that position of need has a crop top end, can't do it. We got to go somewhere else. But if the position of need has a good top end, can't do it. We got to go somewhere else. But if the position of need has a good top end, we're going to hit that, especially back half, or at least last third of first round, right? That's kind of my check. To me, the best thing you can do, if you really want to hit a need and you don't feel the values

there, trade back a little bit and try and pick up a pick and then hit that player where you got value. You just gotta make sure you don't trade back too far. And if you got two guys there that you would love either one of them, but you don't like them at pick 30, maybe you like them at pick 40 to 50. If you think they'll be there, trade back, pick up a, like last year we picked up a third round with the move to get Keyon. So there's a little analysis, you gotta kinda evaluate your board.

You're a mover and shaker. Yeah. You got to kind of evaluate your board. You're a mover and shaker. Oh, yeah. You are a mover and shaker. Big time. They got 10 picks this year. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

What the hell? Hey, that's a lot. Hey, 10 picks is a lot. We need them, but we need them. You talked about the cap, paying Josh Allen, the guys we have, we extend Shakir. You know, you have to, as Mike will tell tell you you have to hit on these draft picks we have to continue to find these you know lower cost guys if we don't hit those it's not a sustainable product to continue winning Lambeau what do you think is his focus of building his culture from watching

his team and then mr. Bean I would like to hear your response to his analysis of the team. You all stop calling me Mr. Bean. You all make me feel like I'm 100 years old. No, Mr. Bean is a character. It's a character. It's an English character. Oh, OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you need to know who that is. And we respect you. Rowan Atkinson, great actor.

You know, Pat, I think it's exactly the way the NFL needs to work. It's two guys that have the shares philosophy and they work together. You know, he just mentioned that they believe in the offensive defensive line. Sean was with Andy in Philadelphia, so he was influenced there. And I think that if you're gonna win in this league, you gotta have two people doing the job because Sean can't scout all the players

and he can't coach the team. So you have to have two people that can do the job, but they share the same philosophy. I think what happens in the league a lot is we think this collection of five or six people can make it when really it comes Down to two people and then those two people educating the organization on the shared philosophy I think where they deserve a ton of credit is the transition from being an 11 team To being more of a Buffalo team weather wise when they got into 12

Oh, yeah, cuz remember your team wasn't built for Buffalo one that the conversation a few years back. Yeah, Yeah, you know, you heard that I think. No, it was right. Listen, I did not have a physical enough run game when the weather, you know, and we adjusted to that and knew that, you know, we could throw it with anybody, but can we run it when the weather dictates that? I think they've done a great job, and I think you've done a great job of what Joe Brady took over, definitely. I think they've done a great job of handling that and as the league now is transitioning into this, you know, remember it wasn't popular to run the ball. Now all of a sudden Philly's made it. Philly had what 11 games where they ran the ball more than they threw it.

Yeah, I think they had 200 more rush attempts than pass attempts. Yeah, and so we're seeing it and you know, and so I think and they have a fifth running back on their team. I mean, who could stop him in the goal line? Who could stop him in the red zone, right? So it's a problem. And I think to me, that's the hard part. It's just defensively, it's hard to sit there at 30 and think you're going to get defensive alignment. You have to kind of get a couple breaks.

I think the best in 15, we had a really good, we didn't win the Super Bowl, we lost to Denver. But we had a really good defensive front. But we kind of pieced it together, getting Keam Hicks for nothing. Alan Branch was on the street, we got him from Buffalo actually, kind of got his life back in order. It was a little bit of a, that line was good, we had Chandler Jones for the first round pick but it's hard to get that when you're picking in the 30s.

I'm not making excuses but it's just, you got to get lucky on some things. How do you feel about what Lombardi did? He just poured a massive amount of praise on it? And then he kind of took a shot at what you did have at one point and then he came back into the praising This is a sandwich technique. I wasn't there though for if you're talking about Alan branch. No, he's talking about the not bill for Buffalo Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was spot-on though. Yeah, and you have to every single year You have to self assess everything you guys have right and that's a whole process Yeah, you got it I mean, why did you come up short?

Was, were you just turning the ball over? Were you, could you not run the ball effectively? Could you not stop the run? Could you not get to the pass? So you gotta look at how you're gonna beat. I mean, we all know the AFC is a gauntlet to get through and it's not changing anytime soon. So, we always start with our division.

You gotta, you know, if you don't, that's your easiest ticket in and you're getting at least one home game. So we start with the Dolphins, Jets and Patriots. But after that, you know, these same teams, you know, starting with what Kansas City's done, you got to give them a lot of credit to be whatever seven or eight straight AFC Championship games. Yes. That's remarkable. Okay. And he mentioned you and McDermott rowing in the same direction.

A lot of places that kind of starts to splinter. You know, I want the credit or I don't want the blame or I got good players. I have bad players. There's a lot of opportunity. There isn't. I mean, those happen. That's whenever a bad franchise, a bad culture happens. You and McDermott, obviously I got a chance to see him yesterday.

He's cool looking, man. Isn't he? Tough son of a bitch. He is a tough son of a bitch. But it feels like you two rowing in the same direction. What is it about him that makes you like him so much, and what is your thoughts on him at this stage of being a head coach as opposed to maybe a few years back? Yeah, I mean, Sean and I worked together in Carolina.

Yeah, I knew who he was, you know, coming up behind Jim Johnson, you know, the late D coordinator that was for Andy and Philly. So he, you know, Andy moved on, made a decision. We, you know, Ron Rivera comes in and Sean and I were together for, I think, six seasons in Carolina. We made it a Super Bowl against Denver, same year he was talking about. And so, you know, Sean gets there and then I get there and we both kind of, you know, when you're working together, even though you're not in the seat he's

in or I'm in, you're having conversations with people. And so there were many times Sean and I had conversations about building a team. And just like I was telling Mike, building it up front, things like that. So I think you start with, is your philosophy the same? Like if your philosophy for winning is different, it's probably going to be hard to get on the same page. And then, you know, Sean's a good person. We believe in treating people well, building, you know, it's team and it's not about me.

It's about we, what can we do? What's my role? And so I think that's how you get a shared vision and an alliance. How hungry are you guys, man? So hungry, you gotta be up there. I mean, you're so good. So, I mean, just ha, ha.

And Bill's mafia is ready to explode. I mean. That was a first down too, by the way. Yes. Thank you, thank you. It was. Horseshit. But now we got a chance. Yeah, we're very fast. That was a first down too by the way. Yes. Thank you, thank you. Horseshit. Yeah, we are very fast. There's a sensor in the ball now.

Now we have technology to prove it. Now there's a sensor in the ball. So everything's gonna be right now going forward. I'm glad we could be the test dummy. Again. Again. Change the rules. All right, we're wrapping up here on ESPN.

You guys have a fantastic weekend. Obviously the NFL Combine will be taking place here in Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis, Indiana forever, I hope, and I assume. Rich Eisen and Daniel Jeremiah will be the host of that. They are great at what they do. Athletes will be doing spectacular things on this turf. Can't wait to talk about it all on Monday. Elimination Chamber also tomorrow night, live from Toronto, Canada, the Four Nations champs.

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You watch that. That shit was right in your face, Bean. That was... He did that without a monitor. That's what I was saying. I was looking. See, he did that. I mean, that's what you call a pro. That's what you call a pro.

What do you mean without a monitor? There's a monitor up there. No, it's a teleprompter. It wasn't a teleprompter. Oh, brother. What the hell? Brother, yeah, right. Couldn't believe it.

Can you imagine this show with a teleprompter? Yeah. It would be much, I mean, my reading comprehension not that good. So I don't know if I, Ty would be able to do it. He's like a speed reader. Connor reads a lot. I don't know about that. Connor reads a lot. Connor reads a lot.

Tone and I, same school system. We got- We had a text, was that over break or whatever? I had missed something in one of your tweets and you said, hey, oh, it was the Super Bowl. It was the Super Bowl contest with the score of whatever. And I said, reading comprehension. Yeah, you're supposed to put,

he put the score down, the exact score, 27-13. Didn't put who was winning though. And he's like a representative of the program now. We're giving away whatever. So it's like, hey, you need at least people gotta know people need to know how to enter an actual submission so I can't branch it and it did come out of nowhere and I don't give like a group text like hey this is how this is gonna go so it's on me but yeah we don't read that good before that's going we can't

thank you enough for joining us oh yeah how's golf game you know cuz golf seasons yes beautiful in Buffalo right now yeah what do you do your TGL it you similar I got a simulator how is the game it's it's all right you doing any business while you're sim I have okay so speaker phone yeah listen to this draft I don't do that I stop and have the conversation but oh so we're not I'm not swinging and doing it But I got the phone in there ready to roll How often are you talking because I think it was a couple years back He told us like if you even see a tweet from pro football talks Mike Floreo who is obviously, you know As the name was coming out of my mouth I thought oh, okay great there were this is great

But anyways, hey, he had a great breakdown of that Starbucks staredown. Sure did. Have you guys solved that crime yet? Rap She Came over here. Rap She Came over here. Rap She got fucked up. You should see it.

I know. He had two black eyes, dude. No, I didn't. No, that is not the case. We don't know if they're going to shake hands before they get out of here. They're not going to shake hands. No.

But rap. It's almost like Mel and Bill Tobin, the late get out of here. They're not going to shake hands. No. But rap? It's almost like Mel and Bill Tobin, the late great Bill Tobin. I mean that was a... Oh, rest in peace, Bill. I was going to say, where's Bill Tobin at? Okay, rest in peace, Bill. Bill was a wonderful guy.

Bill was a wonderful guy. Bill is rest in peace. That was disgusting. We love Bill Tobin. If actual we do that. Can we scratch that from the record? Yeah, we like it. I'd shake his hand and squash it.

Absolutely. We could. I think what Rap wanted me to know, and I said, you should say this, you're an insider, he goes, it's not for me to say. He says he did not call NFL security. That's big news. That's big news. I think that is kind of breaking news from a news breaker there. He said, I did not call NFL security. That's big news. That's big news. I think that is kind of breaking news from a news breaker there. He's saying I did not call NFL security. Was I asked about the incident because a lot of people saw it by

superiors in definitely. So he's saying he's not the one that was like mommy, you know, like that is yeah, cuz Jordan was like dad, you know, and then everybody said rap was like mom, you know, so that is rap everybody said rap was like mom yeah so that is rap rap would like to let everybody know that he was not the one to call it that is what our source says are telling us so you just gave your source away yeah it's Ian he told me right over here yeah thank you thank you should heard it the other day I got a text from source says that said I'm playing next year next year. So that was a tough giveaway as well. But let's talk about it.

You would read something, hear something, pops up somewhere. It's like, oh, maybe there is a little, where there's smoke, there's fire. Maybe there is a little issue. You'll check in with the GM on the player. And it doesn't necessarily mean I want to trade. It doesn't necessarily mean I want to make a deal. You're just trying to gather information.

Does that happen still? How rapid is that happening right now, especially at this combine here? It doesn't necessarily mean I want to make a deal. You're just trying to gather information. Does that happen still? Yeah. How rapid is that happening right now, especially at this combine here? I think it's always happening because the league never stops. I mean, there's guys that you're hearing in June, for whatever reason, a team drafted a player,

and now they realize, man, they want to get that player on the field. They've got a contract that they could move on from. So I don't feel like it really stops until you get to late June between there there and camp it kind of dies down. And you know we got our staff you know they're they're on top of it more than me they're keeping me up to date you know with my scouts. They're on Twitter and all that way more than I or X whatever it's called way more than I am. Yeah but I've tried to track it as

well as I can but we've got a good group of people and we'll put on text-chain hey I heard it from an agent. I heard it on pro football talk. I heard it on, you know, X, whatever it is. And so then it may not just be me. It may be one of them may reach out to one of their contacts on the club and say, hey, is this true? Just so you know, whether you want to spend any time on it or not, do I want to go watch

the player and evaluate them or I don't need to waste my time. And normally truth is told there. I would say most of the time it is now, not all the time. Sometimes the team may say at this point, they're thinking about it, but they haven't kind of, you know, they're not saying yes, but they're not saying no. Okay, you could also send one of your copos out, it sounds like, and say, hey, do we have any operation

going on here? And respond back to, oh yeah oh yeah yeah sure sure sure sure but waste your time on all that stuff and then when it comes back now we got nothing how about when a player says I am not willing to negotiate feel this like now granted you be who you can afford to be the miles Garrett Cleveland Brown situation for instance which could I mean no line D line Howie. This is Miles Garrett allegedly not willing to negotiate with Cleveland Browns. Okay has asked for his trade Very loudly obviously wants the world to know not just coppo is finding out. I'm sure if you've heard about it Not yet. Have you heard? No, I haven't heard that. Okay Okay, so miles Gary is not happy. Thanks guys

in his in his message actually he utilized Andrew Barry's words in a bar That was like get me out of like a direct shot seemingly in the thing Miles Garrett top five player and whatever you want to have conversation Obviously defensive player of the year. He said I just want to win man. I just want I would like to be in the big games So he wants to go to a place. That's great, which obviously would suit you in the entirety But when you hear something like that does it scare you that the player feels like that with the team like how do you go? About reading one of those situations and I'm not saying exactly miles, but this has happened with star players in the past obviously Yeah, I mean listen when when there was rumors about Steph wanting out before,

before we actually moved on, even a year prior, things like that. So sometimes there's some truth to it, sometimes there's no truth to it. I think you start with the player himself and or his representatives and you just have truthful conversations about where both sides are at. And sometimes you may have to agree to disagree, you know on that circumstance and so you got a in this role you have to do what's best for your club and You know, is that you know, is it time to break it off now? Is it is it you know what we're gonna do it for another year like we did Steph and break it off later

So I think you know that situation I don't you know I couldn't tell you what the facts are other than some stuff you're... He's had a cop out good down in Cleveland. Good down around the lake. Lombardi, as we wrap up this hour, we appreciate you hanging out. Thank you, guys. Any parting words for Mr. Bean here? No.

I mean, look, he's got more money than he thought he was going to have. He's got great opp... We've got 10 draft picks. I mean, last year's last year. Everybody's 0-0, so start it all over again. Yeah. Good luck, Mr. Bean. We appreciate you, Brandon, for joining us and congrats on all the success thus far. How old are you?

48. Oh, you look so young. Yeah, spray lotion. You look younger. That's not as young as Gladstone. Well, I was gonna tell you, Gladstone, let's let's look at him in four years. I didn't have when I did my press conference. I didn't have

gray hair when I was 40. Do you guys have a group text? gentlemen, you'd have to I did my press conference. I didn't have gray hair when I was 40 Do you guys have a group text gentleman? Do you have to reach out the glass? Yeah, we do I have not connected with him yet But yeah, we'll make sure to do that because that's like a business like that's natural you have to have to use a snapchat You do snapchat. Hey Pipsqueak. Yeah, you guys gonna give him a swirly in the bathroom here Show brother Swirly in the bathroom here. He kind of ducked him. Welcome to the show, brother. Lambeau, thanks for hanging out. Thanks, guys.

I appreciate being here. Good luck. Thank you so much. Thank you, buddy. You don't have to get up and leave. We're going to throw to a break, Lambeau. We're going to throw to a break, Lambeau. He forgot how it works.

You too, Mr. Bean. He's only been gone a month. He forgot how TV works. Yeah, he's got to end to TV anymore. He's the general manager. Hey, there's going to be a lot of players coming out of UNC. I hope so. Let's go.

I hope so. I'm in for that. Chapel Hill's a nice place to visit. I'll be down there. I'm a North Carolina-born guy. Let's go. I hope so. I'm in for that. Chapel Hill's a nice place to visit. I'll be down there. I'm a North Carolina born guy. Oh yeah? Plus, yeah, great golf course. Duke guy though.

Great golf course. I'm not a Duke guy. Don't start that. Don't start that. Cheers, man. That's what I heard. That's what I heard. Don't start that.

Hey, you saw in Bill's contract that was publicly because it was a state-done contract, he's a member down at that country club. Remember he's got the country club. Oh yeah. A couple cars. Which country club? What is it down there?

It's called Chapel Hill Country Club. It's beautiful. It's right there. It's right next to the campus. Then they have one on campus. I mean it's North Carolina is, you know, they've got so many great, last night we were at Quell Hollow which is going to host the PGA there. Good track.

Great track. You see what he's doing right now. And it's on my simulator. Oh, how do you play it? Do you play pretty well? I've played it, yeah. Remember, PGA last time, it was up in Buffalo or New York or whatever, and he lied about it.

Yeah, he lied about your scoring. I did not lie about that. It was 78. Yeah, he said, yeah, I'm normally in the 90s or whatever. I played my ass off to do that. I was sweating that. I don't know what happened, John, 75. Yeah.

I don't know. So you're saying we should be proud of you. You're saying like, hey. No, I got lucky. I don't know what happened, John. 75. Yeah. So you're saying we should be proud. You're saying like, hey. No, I got lucky. I had the round of my life on the biggest stage here. Yeah, I got lucky. And then there was a little bit of shh, shh, shh on the scorecard, wasn't there? No, it was Dan Orlovsky. Oh yeah, yeah. There we go. There we go.

Alright, let's get to the right thing. He's not even here to defend himself. He doesn't have to be here to defend himself. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Hey, here, rap sheet, will you come over here please? Oh shit. Rap sheet. Hey Ian, he's breaking news on you that he already gave you up as the source though. Hey, I didn't give you up, I said my source says, said that I did not call NFL security.

Can you, yeah, that, that daddy in my source was talking about your situation That's all I said. I mean, I think you have good source Says in this situation. How would I how would I do that? Okay, I would number Hey the makeups good though to cover up the Shiner Get the cops down here! Hey the makeup's good though to cover up the Shiner. Yeah. It's messed up. It's messed up.

Not long, but messed up. Hey, how's the week going for you, Rep? It's been a week. What's Stafford getting paid? Probably similar to last year. Last year he got 40. Should be about similar to that. It's not done yet, but it's what I got.

Heard he took less. You reported that. What does that mean? How much less? So my understanding is like Giants and Raiders, you know, he was allowed to, his agent was allowed to talk to him, would have been more higher 40s, maybe up to 50. And wasn't going to be that for the Rams. But if you're Stafford, it's like, you can win there.

It's home, actually home. So I think it made sense. All right. We appreciate your rap. She great work this week. I will say this. Oh, he has no make. That was a shot of you saying that's how I look. I woke put some makeup on. I will say this. Oh, he has no makeup. That was a shot of you saying it. That's how I look.

Yeah. I woke up like this. Okay. I had some coffee from. Oh. Dunkin Donuts. Oh my God. Oh my God. All right.

We appreciate you. I was trying to crash the stocks right now. Buddy. He's once he like realized like, wait a second, yeah, I don't drink Starbucks anymore. He's really been going. I hope they shake hands, obviously, because the Combine's a great place. We get a chance to chat with great friends like you two. Thank you for stopping by.

Combine! Hey, that was good work there, Scott. Wow. That was good work there, Scott. You should be proud of your work. Unreal. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. Hey that was good work there.

Wow. That was good work there Scott. You should be proud of your work. Unreal. Louisiana Scott on the chip. What an artist. Obviously yeah he did. He was seeing the field a little bit differently today than he did yesterday.

Last night he was dreaming like Queen's Gambit. He saw a couple different moves around the race cars and showcasing the Super Bowl champions on the wall. This Louisiana Bayou boy has absolutely crushed for us and not just me but the Talks at the Table at Boston Connor and Mad Mel Kiper and one half of the hammer done Cowboys tongue digs and all the boys in the truck wanted to make sure that he felt at home so we actually Scott, we got you some Gator Bites, some Gator nuggets. A little bit of Gator.

Gator nuggets and I don't know if we have a camera on her or not, but Bruce, Bruce has, go ahead Bruce, go ahead and hand them over. Go get some Gator. Scott, tell us what time, we think it's Gator and uh. Some of that Indiana Gator. Yeah, we killed that Gator right down the road here. I hope you enjoy it, we appreciate your work. You have been fantastic for us, brother. Okay?

Cheers to you, Scott. Who's making gator in Indiana? Yeah, to be clear, I'm not 100% sure. I thought of the idea yesterday and me and Zeke chatted about it and Zeke said, I can get gator bought to you by 2.30. And I said, Zeke, you know what? You go ahead and roll with it. I don't know where he got it.

I don't know how he got it, but I'm appreciative of you. That's buy you fresh. And he's buying you fresh. I bet that gator doesn't taste like Governor Jeff Lyandry's gator. Well Governor Jeff Lyandry has the best gator. Yeah, I see that. Still waiting on it. Yeah, when's that arrive? I think we're gonna have to go to him potentially, but thank you Scott, you've made our show better, we appreciate it, and you saved your best for last there. I mean, you saved your best best for last which is obviously a thrill. We have a couple you know programming notes here. Big news fresh out of a meeting with Matthew Stafford that resulted in Matthew Stafford remaining with the Los

Angeles Rams. Sean McVeigh head coach of the Rams will join us on Monday at 12 15. Sean McVeigh will be joining us. Shout out to Artemis, the PR guy over there, piecing this together. Very nice to... Artists, I'm sorry, not Artemis. Geez. Both names cool. Yeah, Artemis would be... that's a superhero name. Which is what he did to make this happen. But Artists for making this take place. And Sean McVeigh, we can't wait to chat with you, you know? Hell yeah, coach. Thank you for the honor of joining us on Monday. I can't wait for that conversation. First time? I think so, yeah.

This will be our first time talking to him. We've learned a lot about him from afar, though. We've obviously watched all his mic'd ups. We've seen him. He was on a microphone for the Super Bowl. Crushed it. Absolutely crushed it. That's why whenever you hear Amazon's offering him 20 million a year or 30 million a year to call games, it's like, oh, this could potentially be the next voice of football if he wanted to.

Madden, John that is, had a very early start as a head coach for the Raiders, wins a bunch, retires at a very young age, goes into TV, becomes the John Madden. Not that he wasn't an incredible coach, he was. He won a lot, but it was in a short time period. He goes to TV, takes over, feels like McVeigh potentially on the same track if he wanted but every year he turns it down and he says I'm a football guy I'm a football guy Gruden same exact thing congrats on getting your name back up in the ring of honor in Tampa but with that being said Sean McVeigh on Monday's a big deal

how'd they get the deal done Madd Mel how'd they get the deal done how'd they get Matt to stay out there? Well, I think you look at it and it's kind of one of those things where at Matthew Stafford's age obviously money is a big part of it, but he's made a lot of money. We all have talked about this, Pat. You've moved a couple times in the last couple years. Moving is the worst fucking thing ever. It sucks.

He doesn't want to move his family. He's got kids. He doesn't want to move his family. He's got kids. He doesn't want to move them from one place to another. And he's at the end of his career. Okay. He wants to be in a place where he can win a Superbowl. We talked about it. The Rams were right there. They pushed the Eagles to the brink. No one else in the playoffs did. If they win that game, they're playing at home in the NFC championship and who knows? They might be Superbowl champions. You could make that argument. Sure, going to Vegas, they got a new everything, you know, Sin City, that'd be great. Are the Las Vegas Raiders going to win a Super Bowl next year? Probably not.

Are you going to go play for the New York Giants? Are they going to win a Super Bowl next year? No. You know, if you go to the Giants, you're hoping, hey, maybe we'll win five games this year. I don't think that's... Matthew Stafford's done that, okay? He played with the Lions, but they fucking sucked. He doesn't want to do that again. He's in a pretty good spot in, you know, in LA. So I think it all kind of made sense, you know? Hey, I'll go out there. I'll let people kind of smooch my nutsack and... They did a little bit of that, didn't they? Exactly. They did that a little bit. But at the end of the day...

Everybody likes that every once in a while. Everybody likes that. At the end of the day, I'm going to stay in LA with my family. My wife's a superstar here as well with her podcast. My kids are comfortable in school. And I'm gonna go hunt another Super Bowl with Sean McVeigh. How about him saying, it was nice to feel wanted though. Because the Rams trade from Detroit took place allegedly in a resort down in Mexico over like a weekend extended stay.

So didn't get necessarily to hear from the entire league on if they would, how much they would pay a Matthew Stafford at this age. Allegedly there was 90 to 100 million dollar offers out there. I don't know how many of that is ever going to get solidified or firmed up in the public knowledge. But allegedly the Giants were offering nine figures at this stage to get Matthew Stafford in there into the day ball offense. Now with the Matthew Stafford quarterback domino falling and by falling I mean staying put at home now all the other veteran quarterbacks are in conversation including Aaron Rodgers Adam Schefter has tweeted that now that Matthew Stafford will stay with the Los Angeles Rams The New York Giants are investigating all veteran quarterback options Including Aaron Rodgers, per sources.

So he doesn't just have a source. He has sources, numerous people talking about that. He's at the combine, a lot of people at the combine. It's like, yeah, we will certainly investigate whether or not he can keep the same house. He doesn't have to move. He actually already has this house in New Jersey. It ain't come play for the New York football Giants. It'll be a different experience over here than it was for the New York Jets and I assume he's not the only one

They're also gonna be picking at Sam Darnold and others as the veteran quarterback market is now a little bit more Wide open with Stafford staying there's also some buzz about Russ Wilson going to the New York Giants And I think that's you know it's it's not too far-fetched because if you guys remember the New York Giants and I think that's you know it's it's not too far-fetched because if you guys remember I remember because I'm a Steelers fan he left the New York Giants facility and flew to the Pittsburgh Steelers facility last year and then he never left the facility and became a Pittsburgh Steelers so they had interest they had a lot of interest in Russ last year the New York Giants did so it wouldn't be far-fetched to think that they would be potentially interested in

him again this year if it's not Aaron. What are your thoughts? I think the only difference between the Jets and the Giants is the colors. So I don't know if Rodgers wants to do that. Yeah, but red, white and blue. Yeah, fantastic colors. One of the best schemes out there when it comes to colors. But I think that would probably sting for Rodgers. I think no matter what, all the teams that were maybe possibly drafting

the quarterback depending on Stafford are still gonna now be in the quarterback market. If we're looking at Cleveland and we're looking at the Giants when it comes to draft, Cleveland, the Giants, the Raiders, and pending Sam Darnold. If Rogers or Cousins or Russell goes to any of those three teams, I think those three teams all still are thinking like, Hey, we still need a long-term option, especially when it comes to Aaron. Aaron's, you know, going to be 42 or if he's not already, that's not a, if he wants to play, I think that's something that does get forgotten.

Aaron Rogers could certainly decide to retire. That is not something, it's Aaron Rogers football football. Yeah, before the darkness. He said go. 90-80% or something like that. It's like 90-10, 80-20. Yeah, so it's not as if that is something that he has never thought about. He was going to do it with the backers before that situation played out how it played out. And honestly, us reading the Aaron Rodgers situation, just as people that have been very lucky to talk to him weekly throughout the last five seasons, and there's been a

lot that has happened and then obviously getting a chance to learn about the human, the football, everything about him. I don't just like the text I got from my source says about the tight end Travis Kelsey in Kansas City. It's like his last sentence was I can't go out like that. And I know there's a lot of people that chase the dragon at the end of their careers, but there's no air unless that be the final taste in his mouth about NFL football. In my eyes, I don't think.

Because the end of that season, he starts spinning it. Obviously he's back from an Achilles, he starts moving. That team starts playing much better. That team starts playing what everybody thought they were going to play like. No, obviously way's back from an Achilles. He starts moving. That team starts playing much better. That team starts playing what everybody thought they were gonna play like. No, obviously way too little, way too late. We're not saying that's not the case, but like those last couple games,

it's just like when you go golfing. You know, it's just like when you go golfing. You're done with golf and then hole 17, hole 18, somehow you hit one and it's like a flop shot like Phil Mickelson and it goes in and it's like a flop shot like Phil Mickelson and it goes in and it's like yeah I shot a hundred and two today but if I do that one every single I'm not saying he's a hundred and two golfer I'm just saying at the end whenever you still see you you I believe want to prove to everybody yeah I still

got it I know I still got it and I think think there's a very, in my eyes, and this is not from him, have not asked him, we will talk to him next week, we certainly will. I mean, that is certainly a question that'll be on the, but like from a judgment standpoint, it's like, I think he's gonna, I think he's playing football again. I think there is, personally, he has not said that.

I think AJ would assume that he's gonna continue to play football because he is, but the end of the season you think AJ thinks he's out no no I don't think that no no I think you're right I think I legitimately think that is the case but there is a chance he retires though and like literally just disappears into a jungle somewhere or into a house or maybe opens a book club or a bookstore I mean there's like so many different options with Aaron Rodgers. I believe that they're all being kind of dove into it

at this point and who would blame him this deep into his career, a Hall of Fame career already? Yeah, no, I mean, I think he still wants to play. He doesn't want to go out like that for his sake. I hope he has more options than going to the fucking Giants. I do not want to see him. I was not thinking that. Where's he gonna go and win?

Like who has win? Minnesota! That's the only one. If they want JJ. If they don't want to start JJ's quarterback career this year. Obviously you want to win a Super Bowl, but I also think there's a difference between going somewhere and winning nine games and getting in the playoffs. Then we'll see. The Giants just have so many holes and it doesn't matter how I don't think Rodgers at 32 in the peak of his powers with this current roster that the Giants have I don't think he's taking them to the

Super Bowl so does he want to do the same song and dance in New York with the media you know I just for his sake, loving the guy, I do not wanna, I'd rather see him go play for the Raiders. You know, he's closer to home, and who knows, you know? They win nine games, that'd be unbelievable. Aw, Aaron in Vegas, imagine that desert house he would have out there. He'd be so sick.

He's sweet. Oh my God. Anderson's beautiful. See, that feels like Sam, Sam's gonna be a Raider. But then I'm thinking like, could Aaron go to Tennessee, like would Tennessee make sense? He has raw land out there. A lot of people have raw land in Nashville, Tennessee. We have learned strictly because of the reports

of Aaron Rodgers having raw land in Nashville, Tennessee, which he certainly does, we assume, unless the real estate portfolio has changed in a matter of a couple years. I think the coach matters in that situation though too because that's why the McBae thing made sense because it's like he'll go with a guy he respects. I don't know if he wants to go.

He loves Tomlin. And I'm not saying anything about Callahan. I think, see like the Steelers at this point, it's like if there's anywhere he goes, I hope he's a Steeler because you go to Tennessee, not only are they gonna fucking suck. I'm in fear for my life, I'm the log, arm of the log. So you know what the Pittsburgh Steelers are putting down?

That'd be awesome. Because he respects Tomlin. But Tennessee, you don't like as much. I just don't think they're going to be any good. I mean, that division stinks, you know, better than anybody. You know, that division absolutely stinks worse than we. It's not with the AFC South. Yeah, it's terrible. It's awful. But you know, it absolutely stick worse. It's not with the AMC South. Yeah it's terrible.

It's awful but you know it's just does he want to go somewhere where he's got a second year head coach where it's kind of the same thing this guy is trying to get his philosophy in there he's trying to get the team to roll in his direction and you got a guy who's been playing quarterback for 20 plus years to come in and say like hey pal zip it we're gonna do what I want to do okay like yeah your playbook's awesome. We're running my fucking offense. And that's like the whole bad taste thing.

It's like he's going to, if he has a bad taste in his mouth right now, OK, he wants to come back and he wants to play and he wants to win. Tennessee, Giants, I mean, Raiders, they got a lot of like good hype, but I don't think we're putting the Raiders above Denver. That AFC West. Yeah, Denver Chargers or the Chiefs, obviously.

So it's like the situation, the Steelers would be cool and the Vikings would be cool. Those are like basically the only two legitimate options. It feels like where those other places, yes, they need quarterbacks, but it's like Aaron Rodgers is gonna go there. And like, could you imagine the Giants, if it starts the same way the Jets did,

and then they fire Dayball, and he's going through a Again, no, we're not being that be a nightmare. Um, how much money is Aaron guaranteed next year? Do we know? Oh Not sure So like everybody's talking about Stafford's looking to make money Stafford's looking to get paid while also being respect. Here we go Outright release 49 million a dead cap next season for the Jets. 25 and a half million. 14 million. Okay this is depending upon whenever they make the decision to move on which they've already publicly said that they would. All parties have. And the GM of the Jets said we didn't give

him an ultimatum. We didn't tell him he can't be on the Pat McVie show. And Aaron was like I'm gonna be on the Pat McVie. And he said we're getting a different quarterback then. And Aaron said fine and walked out of there. That was like being talked about. No doubt. Reported. I was so uncomfortable. I was like come on.

This guy's career, a fucking billion dollar industry. Leave my fucking name off it please. I'm in Puerto Rico. Jesus Christ. Please I'm just driving. For vacation. Yeah and then he had to come out and dress it at the combine. There was no ultimatum made about anything with him to come back they have a vision

what they want their team to look like they will take the dead cap in and continue to build that Aaron Glenn and Muzha got hired over there to do that with the Jets we assumed that that was gonna be the case I think Aaron was hoping for an opportunity to make it right with Jets fans and the Jets organization and bring along a young quarterback but I don't think that was I don't think that was ever really reality just in my eyes and with I don't even know if it was just those two or how many different coaches or GMs would go in there and it would not be the case now Vraib says there's opportunity and

compensation up there in New England that That's right. With the Jets being in rebuilt, the Buffalo Beals being at the top, how long before the New England Patriots are back, you know, dancing under the confetti you think in your eyes? Under the Super Bowl confetti. How do you describe the confetti as a pastry fan? Only Super Bowl. You only pop confetti for Super Bowl, so if we're confetti, I don't know, let's see. Because the whole thing with, and I love Drake May. I am confident he is a hall of favor without a doubt. But if we- What is he saying, man, bro? If we prove- Sounds like he doesn't believe

him. If Drake May proved anything this year, he can be all world. But if you don't have an offensive line, it really doesn't matter. I mean, it happened with Mahomes in the Super Bowl. The guy got killed. So, when we're talking about confetti, I mean, you got to fill some holes. You got to be able to use that compensation to bring in the right guys. Now, with Vrebl at the helm, when it comes to competing for division titles, and that's kind of what he said yesterday with Rich Eisen and, what's his name? DJ?

Is it Gladstone? Jeremiah. He said first and foremost, we gotta win the division. And when it comes to winning the division, I don't think we're that far away, especially with Drake and the money we got in comparison to some of the other guys. I know I saw you looking over there as if- I thought it was Gladstone. I thought it was Gladstone.

I thought it was Gladstone. I thought it was Gladstone. The boys from Duvall are walking by. Good luck. Good luck in the AFC South. Good luck. Not worried about you. Not worried about this place. You need to watch it.

Okay, the Jags certainly have had the Colts' number. For a long time. Yeah, but I've talked to a lot of people around here. A certainly have had the Colts number for a long time Yeah, I've talked to a lot of people around here a lot of them weren't Colts look Let's just say all right Okay, the big pile of shit. No, that is not true. Just a year out from being the Titans I actually got a chance to shake Chris Ballard's hand over there earlier. That was a good moment for me I don't I assume for him as well. Is he suiting up this year? Look like he looked like he was jacked.

His beard looks awesome right now. Beard looks good. He cut his hair obviously. He said, I'm not cutting it till we win the Super Bowl. And then he realized I'm an adult. You know, like I gotta cut this thing. He looked like Jesus Christ at a couple of years. I thought he realized he's not winning the Super Bowl.

Yeah, anytime soon. Yeah, he wasn't able to do it last year. We got to have a competition. You never know a quarterback position. Quarterback comes along, either Anthony Richardson learns how to be a pro and plays football well, and then we're off and running sweet. Shows up day to day, does everything required to be a professional quarterback, an NFL quarterback.

Also doesn't tap out when he's tired, but you won't be tired if you do everything you're supposed to do day to day. I think the tapping out whenever you're tired is a bigger indicator than of anything else, you know? It's a big indicator, I think personally, of a lot of things. of things culture one of them he should not think it's okay to do that he should want to be able to be out there with the boys no matter what happened so you you change the culture a little bit here in Indy you get a couple guys in here get a couple guys out of here get the quarterback position right

get the lot house rocking huh yeah there's like 15 things that's fine you know it's not as if that could be fixed. That's what this season's all about. Yeah. That's what this season's all about. Everybody's oh no. We just heard it. Bingo.

That's what Lombardi said. That's the thing about the Patriots, man. Better yesterday. They were better today than we were yesterday. Yeah, absolutely. And tomorrow what? We're going to be 10 times better than we were today. Yesterday, I think.

Yeah, yeah. Because you really stink today. Tomorrow is today. I'm seeing think. Yeah, yeah. Because you really stink today. Tomorrow is today. I'm seeing a lot of people that just. A lot of doppelgangers. I can't see with all the lights. Oh, it's impossible. Lights are very bright.

Everybody looks like somebody. But everybody's staring at us and can see us very well. You know, so I always wonder if we got heat with somebody or walking by. And we're literally looking in their direction go hey how you doing and in their head they're like they called me a big dumb dipshit. Yeah. Just about two weeks ago. Whatever I mean that that's why who do we have on yesterday that Matt Ruhl that's why I love Matt Ruhl so much because when he was in Carolina I can

specifically remember calling him an absolute doofus. And he probably knows, he probably doesn't care cuz he knows it didn't go well. Well, I think what a lot of these coaches understand is there's a lot more than we would ever realize if we're not in a building on why something isn't working. So they certainly can build up some spite and anger towards people. But I think Coach Rule potentially listened to that and they listened to a couple more clips. And he was like, you know what, those guys,

those are my type of guys. He's coming from a good place. And Frank Drake helped him. Well, and I heard some stuff about that. Carolina Panthers are in a good spot, from what I've heard. Okay. Right?

They don't need a quarterback. Got a quarterback. Don't need a quarterback. Morgan, the GM. Dog. Dog. I believe he's gonna be on the program at some point in the next few weeks I would assume a

Lot of some coaches that I've known through my football journey or down there coaching Got a chance to catch up with them chit chat with them the things they're saying about the way the organization is running right now first maybe what they had heard about the organization from years past just being like Things are real things are feeling up and up feeling like yeah things are feeling very good over and it all goes back to Tepper donating a stadium that's yeah right for that concert yeah it didn't hurt donate that and then Bryce coming but he gets benched then he comes he watches Andy Dalton go and then he goes okay takes a breath for a bit doesn't have a team literally a whole, an organization on his back.

Gets to watch a pro be a pro, how he goes about doing his things, and also how much he maybe trusts or understands this or looks this. And then gets dropped back in, it's like, good, we feel good. And Canales, his offense is kind of understood by people. Morgan going to get their culture people in there. Hubbard, Hubbard started to go bananas towards the end of the year. Chuba. Got an extension extension Canadian man And then what then you look at the top you look at the top. Yeah, I think Chubas Canadian I think damn right there my is that right? Yes, sir. That was our Canadian Gumby

I'll be in Canadian tomorrow. Maybe we should kick him out of the league good Doug Chuba Yeah, well, let's not get too crazy about any Canadians because we got Kid Cannon and his little brother coming, you know. Maybe we can talk about him. Rourke. His medical is not great, I don't think. What about his thumb? Thumb and knee too.

Played with him, yeah. Played with him basically like torn ACL all year, so he's tough, but a little bit older, you know, knee is all fucked up. Canadian. Canadian, that doesn't help. Nope. No, it helps. He'll probably be the number one pick in the CFL draft.

I heard from some, which is a great league, fun league. They have fun games, like the way they go about doing it. That's zany. It is, it is a little zany. It's a zany version of football, which we appreciate. Whole country's zany. Take it easy, Tony. Tony, you sound a little negative.

Yeah, let's talk about your tweet Tony. What did he say? I said fuck Canada. What? How'd that go for you? Why'd you do that? In what way? He muted it, he didn't see any of it.

I've got a lot of repercussions. Got a lot of Canadians yelling at air. They tend to forget, we can send about 50 guys up there and take over the whole country. Okay, alright, we knew that's what you were alluding to and I don't love that at all. I would like to say that it does feel like the Canadian hockey team beating the United States of America in the four nations in Boston was like a we're staying a country and that that has just gotten real quiet hasn't it. Since that game there has been no chatter of Canada really becoming the 51st state. Like literally the hockey team. It was a pink slip game.

Why was it a pink slip game? They kept it. So congrats to the Canadians, I would like to say. They may have lost Wayne Gretzky though. True. He's taking it on the shins and he may be- Wayne's American now. He may be harboring Wayne in the States.

What happened? Let's just say he- Dumping? Wayne's a Canadian legend, we all know it. Yeah, but- Wayne's American now. Yeah, but... Wayne's American now. Yeah, his leader's initials are D, T, and J.

They ain't JT. And that's coming out of Wayne's mouth. I think it's DJT is what you're saying? Whatever, you know. It's not just JT, it's DJT. I don't know if he's a junior. I don't know how it works. Well, there is one of those, I think. Exactly. So you never know.

I'm bad with initials and stuff, but he ain't looking at the guy. I didn't know Wayne O did that. And then also when he walked onto the ice, people weren't happy with him because he basically said, let's go boys, let's go boys. To all the Americans. And didn't really look towards the Canadian bench. Well, that's where the mat was, you see that he's walking on ice.

But you don't have to say anything and then when you're taking that turn, you can say like, here we fucking go boys to the Canadians and instead he didn't. He just watched. Is that true, Gumpy? That's not true at all. That no, no, no, that's actually what- 100% true. Yeah, that's what happened. I'm not making that up at all.

I mean, he's friends with everybody in hockey. He's the greatest hockey player of all time. You guys lost Wayno as a Canadian? Is that real? Well they turned on him. Not at all. Canada turned on him? After that they did, yes. We can't just be labeling everybody Canadian.

You know, there is some differences in countries here. What? Okay. So I think what you were trying to say... There's some goofball, you said some stupid shit. He was saying that not everybody from Canada represents all Canadians. I think, right? Is that what you're saying, Gumpy? Okay, I'll help you out here. Shit Painter, this guy, Grindr, tough guy from Canada. Great addition to our particular program.

Maybe Canada's greatest ex- well, maple syrup. Hockey's awesome. That's fine, we got our own. I mean, their leader does represent Canada though, and we know what he's... No, but I heard, yeah, I guess you're right. I didn't even think about that. But then that goes the other way for us. Absolutely, no doubt about it.

We just gotta make sure we think, hey listen, we all got more in common than we think. Let's go shake their hands. Let's go shake their hands. It's all sticky from the syrup. No thanks. Yeah, but it tastes good. It does. We had a little bit more sugar to you guys' maple syrup, made it good.

I was going to say, it's no pearl milling, I know that. Mm-hmm. We took a little bit more sauce and put it to hockey, you know. Wait until you see what we do with curling. I thought we really had it there. When, curling mighty Hamilton. Took the gold medal from the boys. That was the only time people gave a shit. I mean, people don't give a shit about it anymore.

You know, we won there, kind of just like, all right, you guys can have it. Oh, you think we just sent them back? Pretty much. All the curling rocks? Retired to sport, they created lacrosse too, right? Yes, they did. Love that sport, Gumpy.

Canada has a lot of great things. Let's never forget it, right Gumpz? Exactly. Like a hockey team that was more healthy than the American team for the Four Nations final. We were pretty banged up too. We lost some of our top defensemen as well. Let's not forget. Okay. Well, it must be nice to still have McJesus on the ice whenever we don't got our Jesuses. Yeah, so I mean, a lot of people do say Charlie McEvoy was the heart and soul of that team. Actually, when you look at the first Canada USA game, he put McDavid in a fucking Glender.

Absolutely buried him. Actually, Brady Kachak came off the ice. He's mic'd up. He said, I'm following you into fucking battle today, Charles. See, I think the Canadians would say, you dropped into our accent while doing the conversation about America. That's a hockey accent.

That's not a Canadian accent. We gotta take it all, like, the Canadians create great diction, right? Great words. Bucket, like... What are you doing man? That's what I'm saying. I'm thinking we like... I think we're okay with Canada. I think we're okay with Canada. Are you doing this kids tomorrow? Yep. Bobby Roode is Canadian? Bobby Roode is Canadian. So there's something. It's Gilbert. So is Pete, who founded the Canadian Destroyer. I believe Chelsea Green is Canadian.

United States champion for you. Yeah, so she's going to make a choice. Pat, you're not wrong. We are fine with Canada. Canada is not fine with us, though. Yeah, they booed our national anthem. I heard that. Oh, yeah.

That camera, I forgot what started this whole thing. It was that. Keanu Reeves, that's the only one I'll go with Everyone else. Oh, he thanks Bieber's you know, what's going we can't talk. No, we can't Gosling's Canadian What he's got stuff going on or no, I was thinking of the other ride He's got stuff going on a lot of stuff going on. Yeah, it's Canadian. Yeah, also Canadian. Yeah, right Can is good

Where do they come to act? Yeah, I think everybody kind of makes movies up in Canada Yeah, no, no, actually that's not real. Hey good will hunting was a lot of that was filmed in Toronto I don't believe that for a second. It is yeah It says fun fact that do that's not true. What's your problem? That's bad, Mel Ties not here tie tie with the color trying to add a little context. That's completely wrong. That's not true. What's your problem, Mel? That's Matt Mel. That's Matt Mel. No, I'm just trying to add a little color, trying to add a little context. That's completely wrong.

That's not true. That's a great movie. That's a great Boston movie. That's not true. What he just said is false. Filming took place between April and June 1997. All those stories set in Boston, and many of the scenes were shot in the location of Greater Boston Air.

Many of the interiors were shot there. Interior. Yeah. Interior. OK. Toronto. Yeah, so rooms, it's not like they were using the landscape because it stinks. What do we, what the hell? No, they want it a little bit nicer, so rooms, it's not like they were using the landscape because it stinks.

What the hell? No, they want it a little bit nicer, they say. That's what they were saying, Google hunts. That's not what they were saying. Sorry, sorry, the greatest- No, MIT, they weren't allowed to film in MIT because shit actually happens there. Yeah, they can't use Harvard because shit, we're actually trying to solve shit. Yeah, sure.

Yeah, they are. I just found out they have universities in Canada. Yeah, they do. They say- University of Waterloo, I believe, is'm sure. Yeah, they are. I just found out they have universities in Canada. Yeah, they do they say University of Waterloo, I believe is up there Waterloo. Yeah Alright so how does this not be how's your schooling work up there in Canada? So you guys do the same as us 12 grades Exactly. Yeah, how come he has in? 70 why don't you guys just join us?

Because they're still loyal to the Queen. To the Queen? King, no. They actually fought us in 1812. That's the War of the 1812? Yeah, they sided with England and tried to invade. I actually looked it up because I was going to tweet it. They don't still pay taxes to the Queen.

You hear yourself what you've been saying? Yeah, but you've got to remember what Canada did for me personally. What, going up there? Yeah. Fuck it. Is it true they weren't a country? They had a great time up there. They weren't a country until like 1975 or something?

You had a great time down here too. See? I have had a great time down here. Yeah. But what I'm saying is, let's go shake their hands. You guys can. I'm staying right here. I'm with you, brother.

Well, we saw that. Red, white, and blue. Not just red and white. And it's not for you. It's been a great week here. We can't thank you enough for joining us. We're going to get out of here. I'll be on NFL Network, I think.

Yeah, who knows, after Wednesday. We'll see. That was a wild scene. Hey, end show about 2.45, come on down. Be at the end of the tail end of the kicking, field goal kicking session, it'll be electrifying. Then we'll get ready under the punters. You're there, microphone on a field. Just like every other position group has like ex-players on the field.

Get down there. Wasn't even broadcast. Nobody was filming that. There was not a single camera on when I walked down there, wasn't even broadcast. Nobody was filming that. There was not a single camera on when I walked down there. That seems like a miscommunication. That's going to happen. That's life. But today, in this place, communication is key. What do you learn about a prospect that makes you think to yourself, you know, I want that person to be in our building? What do you learn about a player that makes you think, you know, that guy can fit in on

our football field? What about an undersized, a little too fat, maybe a little bit too slow guy? What characteristics does he have deep down in his soul, in his plums, that make me believe that whenever he gets an NFL jersey on, and an opportunity to be in the NFL and live his dreams, he is going to give his all to that. He's not going to fuck it up. That's what give his all to that he's not gonna fuck it up that's what this is all about and then when you watch these athletes run on the field what you're seeing is humans do things that they would have never even

comprehended 20 years ago 30 years ago we might see somebody run a 419 this weekend 40 that's a hundred and twenty feet. Okay Four one nine from a stop not allowed to be moving at it. They're saying a fly 40. This is from a dead stop This is like cheetah type shit. This is like This is the fastest car you could get from zero to finish line. This is Unbelievable what humans are capable of and it's all on display this weekend All the teams are looking to get better all the players are looking to get drafted And we're trying to have a fantastic weekend watching it all enjoying it all And seeing who the hell is gonna win elimination chamber

We can't thank everybody enough for allowing us to be a part of your day today We can't thank everybody enough for rejoining us this week after a two-week hiatus. I mean what an absolute That was the longest time it feels so long being away That was maybe a month. It felt like that we weren't doing this and every time there's like a natural fear like Once we stop nobody's gonna come back. They're gonna watch other shows once again and say yeah we're gonna do this they're gonna say you know my life was better without that dumbass show part of my life that is always the fear that is always the anxiety so those of you that have rejoined us we can't thank you enough for those that are brand new yeah this is how it goes at

all of it gonna get sued this is gonna happen this guy I mean this is the this is the this is the experience and we are incredibly grateful for it all just like I'm grateful for all the boys boys up here great work this week. To the crew great work boys and girls. Great work crew. Great work to the crew. Thank you all so much from the lighting and micing to the camera ring to the rigging and and building, to Oled from Avon with the LED board, to Zito and Tim McAfee doing the moving and this whole thing,

to Fosso being on an email chain since December and making sure all the I's are dotted and T's are crossed. We appreciate you Fosso. To Bruso having to do a little moving. You're the best Brownie. And to the truck, great work boys. Great work truck.

Just saw Gregson walk by, he appears to be, yeah he's 275, he's back. Oh he's that big guy. Yeah, he's the orangutan looking fella. Holy fuck. He's jacked. Hey he looks. Big guy.

Big boy. It's like Andrew Whitworth kind of looks. Big guy. Big boy. It's like Andrew Whitworth kind of. It was nice catching up with him last year at this event. Chit chatting, hearing some things from his side. Allowing him to hear things from my side. And then boom, bang, we move on. A lot of mingling, a lot of talking. And we're so lucky that we've been here.

We'll see you on Monday. It's going to be a good one. Matthew Stafford staying with the Rams. A lot of mingling, a lot of talking, and we're so lucky that we've been here. We'll see you on Monday. It's going to be a good one. Matthew Stafford staying with the Rams. What happens with all the quarterbacks? How about all these draft prospects? Who pops this weekend? Who drops this weekend?

What are the storylines coming out of Indianapolis from the insiders other than they just try to fight each other at Starbucks? We shall see. We'll be on it all. All right, boys. Be a friend, tell a friend something. Oh, oh, oh. Big Night Out is coming soon to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. This is a show that I believe is unprecedented. I would say so, yeah. For sure. Mad Mel, what would your descriptor be of Big Night Out after what you know of it, what

you've heard of it, and everything like that? I would say, I mean, unprecedented is a good word. It's a show that basically has everything you could want in a show if you were going to show up to some sort of event. Everything you could think of. It will be involved. Big laughs, big sing-alongs, big giveaways, big night out. Coming soon to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

This one is fascinating for me. Because I've always, I've wanted to do the show for years, I'd say. Yeah, legit. Literally, I've been wanting to do a show like this for years. I think it'd be good for people, you know, to just kind of watch a spectacle take place. And to do that, it takes a lot of prep, takes a lot of planning, takes a lot of cashola. And I think we're at a point where it's gonna be awesome.

And the people that are gonna be a part of it, there's massive surprises. I don't even know how to, I don't even know how to describe the surprises. The giveaway, I mean, you're talking, I think we're going to make somebody a millionaire that night, you know? So like there is I'm trying to make. Yeah, it's going to be a big night out. And we can't wait to get to Pittsburgh.

With that being said, be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. We're in this thing together, okay? Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Team! Goodbye!