The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1303 - Andrew Whitworth, Daniel Jeremiah, Supercross Legend Colt Nichols, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

On today’s show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about other players being released today as massacre week continues before the free agency tampering period begins on Monday, as well as everything else happening around the world of sports including what the Lakers have been doing moving up to the #2 seed in the Western Conference. Joining the show to chat about the Bengals situation with Trey Hendrickson, the Bears revamping their o-line, his career as a whole, his story about Derrick Barnes at the NFL Honors and him now signing a big new deal, and his thoughts on some of the top prospects in the 2025 NFL Draft is Super Bowl Champion, Walter Payton Man of the Year, 3x All-Pro, 4x Pro Bowler, and analyst for the NFL on Prime, Andrew Whitworth. Next, former scout for the Baltimore Ravens, and NFL Network Draft guru, Daniel Jeremiah joins the show to wrap up the combine and give his thoughts on how things will shake out, how he see’s the QB market wrapping up, and which trades make some sense. Lastly, 2021 AMA Supercross 250cc East Champion, and competitor in the AMA Supercross and Motocross Championships, Colt Nichols joins the show to chat about this weekend’s races at Lucas Oil Stadium, and educates everybody about Supercross as a whole. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode the Thunderdome on this feel-good Friday March 7th 2025 this program starts right now Spore are awesome. We're lucky that we get to talk about him every single day and today will be no different We have a stacked guest lineup from you know, the football world and then also dirt box. Whoa. What? Yeah, we got Andrew Whitworth joining us in about 13 minutes or so.

Obviously he is very familiar with everything happening in this time of the league year. Also can't wait to catch up with him about his TV gig with Amazon on Thursday nights, alongside the entire team. And then also a kid that he helped mentor in the Big Brothers Big Sisters program as he was growing up in the league in Cincinnati. Derek Barnes just signed a massive deal with the Detroit Lions if you do recall

Whenever Andrew Whitworth won the Walter Payton man of the year award He gave a speech and a part of his speech was talking about this lad running up to him after a game Acting as if they had known each other forever and what had no idea who it was and just so happened to be a kid that he talked to in Cincinnati whenever he was donating his time at the big Brothers Big Sisters program there and He ended up making the NFL. He didn't just make it the NFL now He's getting paid 25 and a half million dollars. Congrats to Derek Barnes You can always talk to Andrew Whitworth because obviously everything going on with Trey Hendrickson and everything happening in Cincinnati another meltdown from

Bangles fans understand that they're not gonna be able to pay everybody Although the Philadelphia Eagles were able to not everybody's gonna be able to and certainly not the Bengals fans understanding that they're not going to be able to pay everybody, although the Philadelphia Eagles were able to, not everybody's going to be able to and certainly not the Bengals with their trajectory. Daniel Jeremiah will join us in a second hour. First time talking to him since the combine. Remember, he's the voice of the combine. He and Rich Eisen are the ones that are kind of delivering the goodness alongside, you know, many celebrities.

I had a chance to sit down in there. David Spade was in there. Obviously, they're taking a lot of time trying to do the entertainment because it is a golf event watching guys work out. What is Daniel Jeremiah's big takeaway? We can't wait to chat with him. And then ladies and gentlemen, we're going to dirt. Come on. Hell yeah. If it's raining a little bit, we'll go to mud. What? Finally. Supercross is in Indianapolis this weekend and Colt Nichols, he's 2021 AMA supercross 250 cc East champion and in 2023 he was the 450 cc rookie of the year he's won in Indianapolis twice this

guy's got to be the odds-on favorite down in Lucasola Stadium this weekend and we'll be chit-chatting with him and did I say absolutely would love to do this without a proper amount of information certainly is it gonna be a great show this weekend in the stadium definitely Definitely. And am I getting on a dirt bike for the first time in my life today? I think so. Okay. Ever since I watched that Rough Riders anthem music video? They had quads, ATVs, wherever you're from, whatever you call it, dirt bikes going through the middle of town. You know, you see those videos, it's like,

oh, that looks like a good time. I've rode a heavy box for about the past 15 years or so, both Harley and Indian motorcycles, heavy box, you know, a little bit of metal on those things, hydraulics, you know, that thing's dropping down whenever I get out there. Now, a little bit lighter, these these dirt bikes a little bit less CC But all the bad bad bad bad bad bad bad possibilities. Yeah, and I don't know how it's gonna go

But I asked him got right one of these dirt bikes and they said we'll bring one up for you I said boom. All right, so I think there's gonna be a Some content coming from that. It's gonna go one way or the other. Yeah, and I want to let you know I'm going full bore out there. I'm gonna be wide open on that thing. Can't wait to talk to Colt. Can't wait to chit chat about their sport that is electrifying and travels around town to town

and fills up and sells a lot of seats. A lot of people enjoy the shit out of it and it's obviously a great show because those boys are flying. Those boys are rubbing. And those boys are putting the leg down and he and they commit to life to this ****. Colt Nichols first race was when he's four years old. Crazy. Four years old was his first time getting on a bike

and he's just committed to it ever since and can we catch up with him in the third hour on YouTube, ESPN Plus, Disney Plus and TikTok live currently on ESPN News as well, huh? Okay. We did it. All the news. The Toxic Table is here at Ty Schmidt and Ab Austin Connor. Sweet helmet, brother. What's going on here? Thank you very much.

Yeah, look, I mean, this is your typical lake trout. You know, I actually caught this thing, took it to a taxidermist, said, let me get this thing on a hat, you know, make it look like it's still swimming. Kind of get the tail, get the tail in there with the head still going. Take me to the river. Yeah, that one of those you want to frame a fish like this and I said you know what no better place to frame it than right on the top of my head so it's one of these nice little things that I have and you know it's feel good Friday well why not make it a feel good fish that Friday I don't know if anybody's ever mounted a fish on their forehead let's go to

Ty Schmidt Big Ten angler at one point. He said he caught that thing What do you think he was doing was he doing any tricks and he slips and he sleeps? What do you think he was doing to pull this trout out of the lake? I doubted it. I mean he says like I'm thinking this could have been a stock pond somewhere Yeah, yeah Cuz we're not exactly I mean this isn't you know for the layman, this isn't prime time fishing season yet. Still really cold, you know, you're only- What kind of stuff? I eat the layman.

You're only gonna see the diehard anglers out there. What kind of bait do you use to get that thing? You know, a fish hook. Yeah, that's there. A fish hook on top of another fish hook? No, no, no. He actually quadrupled it. He's just dragging it around water.

And he actually, he, it was like a net almost of hooks that he got that particularly. Had some hot dogs, you know, little man, little hot dog, but spit in the water. You know, people don't know you spit in that water. Here comes the trap, you know, so. What holds you from that? You knew the spots on the lake? Yeah, you know, you do some research, you know, fishhole.com. And make sure you spell that right, folks. Don't spell that right at home. You don't want to spell that wrong. That's the thing that fishermen do is as soon as they find a hole they do what they want to report it for everybody else to know. Yeah it's a

deep dark web another thing you want to spell correctly when you get on the internet but do you want to buy fishhole.com I think you could right now we just search it is available on GoDaddy if you would like to purchase it. That's cause you spell it wrong. It may be for sale, fishhole.com. That's because you spelled it wrong and I'm not going to say how to spell it because if I did then all of a sudden I'm giving out all my best fish holes. Is there a T in there? Yeah, okay. So nonetheless, the fish looks absolutely very normal. Thank you.

And then you got an octopus down there as well? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That just kind of came together. You know, the shirts are typically- You're a real Aquaman today, huh? Well, to be honest, the octopus shirt that just came together Holy shit. I'm wearing an octopus shirt and I grabbed a fish at cuz closet, you know, I didn't turn the lights on this morning I just grabbed a shirt and let's let's hit the road

You know, let's get in there now Lake obviously is where you pulled that trout of and I can respect the work that you have To do to get that they probably good fight from that. It was that trout right there. It was tough It wasn't just this trout, you know, that's an alien though in your chest. Yeah, no doubt about it. The more we learn about these things, the more documentaries and things, that feels like that is not from here. And that might be one of the most sophisticated things that we have, beings that we have.

They can go invisible, they can change. I even saw one put eyes out there. I mean, it is, one became friends with, yeah, morph, they go flat, they turn into turn into their shape shifters. Yep That's an interesting creature down. Yeah, not as interesting as the man in my octopus teacher to your point Yeah, he was he was trying to bone that up There's a he felt like he caught on some real feelings But finding out that an octopus could be sentient was another a completely added

That was a whole nother element of these things. We should be taking care of those. Yeah, I think those things, I think they have some powers. Try to get one in a can. Oh, they're smart enough. I get out. Yeah. What if I get a massive tank and give it the best life it's ever? Let's just say I don't I don't even want to ask how expensive it is, but let's just say I get a massive tank, biggest tank possible. Can I get an octopus in there? are the chances you get an octopus because

these things are sweet and they say yeah the octopus will just figure out how to fucking open it watch you and then I'll figure out how to open it and get out it'll be a it'll be a it's an uncontamable species is how they sold it to me. What's that? I mean, you could always make the roof electric. Good luck. Yeah, but it is also- You don't want- I mean, you don't want to kill the thing.

Well, if you want to teach it a lesson, show it to friends. I want to take care of this- nonetheless, I don't think you should, uh, harbor octopi. No. Is what I've been told. But if- Tell that to the people in Detroit who are clubbing them over the head and killing them and talking about the idea. Yeah, they need to stop doing that. Believe me, they haven't done it in a while.

No, they need to start doing it so we can win some damn games here. No, you need to take care of those octopi. Every time I've seen these aliens just get through the air and then boom on some hard ice, it's like... Does that make your hockey... People throw hats out there to celebrate a hat trick. I get that. People throw other things out there. You guys are throwing aliens out on the ice. Great greatest tradition in hockey. That's not true greatest tradition hockey

What about the handshake line after a playoff playoff beards? Yeah, I don't like that playoff beers. Oh, yeah Air handshakes man. What are you talking about? It's only one time. Yep Don't eat it other sports do it on a very regular basis hockey's like in the end We will shake their hunts and that's like the tradition, isn't it? Yeah, I guess I don't need it. Other sports do it on a very regular basis. Hockey's like, in the end, we will shake their hunts. And that's like the tradition, isn't it? Yeah, I guess. I don't like it. But that's just me. Playoff Beards, great.

Minnesota High School hockey flow. Yeah, oh man. That's a good hockey tradition. State of hockey, there was a massive game last night. Pittsburgh, in Minnesota? Yeah, oh yeah. And in Pittsburgh, you know, they win. That's what the hockey game does.

Well. That's what they do. That's what they they did one half of the hammer dad Cowboys? Tone wait, what's going on with the cowboy hat brother? It's Friday and I so it felt good. It felt right And like I said, I reserve the right to put this hat back on whenever I want Okay, so the first couple days didn't go as well as you wanted to I thought they went swimmingly Shout out Connor. Not like this. It was going swimmingly until it all ended quick with a hook on top of a hook on top of a hook. A couple hot dogs. But no I felt like everyone going into the weekend should cowboy up a bit and I needed that in my life. So you're a feel-good cowboy. I can respect that that boys in the back great work this week

That's fine Okay, big news coming around the NFL Jordan Allen has been Jonathan Allen sorry has been released from the Washington commanders obviously captain for that team They're in the middle of a fast rebuild with new ownership new leadership new everything Including a new quarterback and Jaden Daniels Jonathan Allen now which thought was going to be one of the pillars of this team for a long, long time, is now available after being released from the Commanders. He is just the latest in a lot of dudes around the NFL that have been released this week and it'll continue all the way up through Monday and even until next Wednesday as teams try to figure this out before free agency starts and ladies gentlemen we

don't want to do this but it does feel like we are directly in the center of massacre week. AP Tone, Jonathan Allen's the most recent one who are some other guys that have been released this week that maybe we forgot about or should definitely know about? Yeah we thought massacre week maybe a little more quiet this year because of the salary cap going up but uh but no it's been an eventful Massacre Week. I got a list of guys you know just some of the notables that have been you know part of this Massacre Week. Rayquan Davis, George Fant, Roy Robertson Harris, Devonte Adams. Oh no! No!

Yo, then you got, yo, Rayshawn Jenkins, Devin Duvort, Joey Bosa? Oh no! Jamal Williams, Javon Hargrave, those are, Evan Ingram? Oh no! We can't forget Draymond Jones, Darius Slacerble champion? Oh no! Same team, James Bradbury, you got Gardner mentions out there Tyler lock So yeah, those are just some of the few to mention it's been an eventful massacre We can we say oh no because this isn't just a player getting fired. This is a dream. Yeah potentially ending

This is a family having to get up and move. This is somebody giving their all to an organization then being told we don't want you back next year. These are tough times. Now it is the business, okay? This is the NFL, this is how it goes. And I think, I forget who was on the show earlier this week to talk about the amount of turnover in a locker room

regardless, let alone if it's a big turnover year, it's at least 30 to 40% every single year your roster's gonna be different. know the pillars that we know about The big-time names that tone stopped on there are gonna be there year to year and obviously the team is gonna try to build Around their brands their images They're gonna be the ones that are associated with the team But this is 53 dudes and it is changing on a very regular basis Especially at the bottom half let alone what practice squad is now because they were able to open it up to more people and older

Folks as well So when you talk about people getting cut very normal in the NFL sucks It's part of the business a lot of these guys are the first time in their lives They've been told they're not good enough to make a football team That is obviously a mental thing that can weigh on some guys But also it's a maybe an opportunity to start a new maybe Go have a fresh first impression in a place. Maybe try to re-prove yourself.

Maybe get into a different system, little different system, maybe different building, and have your best football that you've ever had in your entire life. I saw Evan Ingram, tight end from Jacksonville, who got released. He said, there's no offense to Jacksonville, they just released a dog out into the free agency.

So he's motivated by it, obviously. Jacksonville also made a play by sending Christian Kirk, yeah, here he is, it's all love, Jax, but they just love motherfucking dog loose. Sorry for what's next. Hashtag be easy, easy Evan Graham tight end for the Jacksonville Jaguars now available. Christian Kirk from the Jacksonville Jaguars

was traded yesterday to the Houston Texans. Now it was announced that he was gonna be released, and then they do this game where they say Yeah, we're getting rid of them and unless you want to kind of catch and beat free agency Then you're gonna have to do your own thing do your own deal so Christian Kirk out of Jacksonville to Houston and Evan Ingram out of Jacksonville to the free agent market There's a lot of big names a lot of big names that are now available

It feels like next week's gonna be heating up. Some of these deals have already been completed at the Combine, so whenever Monday opens up and it's the launch of the tampering period and then Wednesday's the new year and yada yada yada, all that stuff happens, there's gonna be deals that are already announced. Those things are already done.

Whenever new guys get released, like Jonathan Allen, how much does that change? How much does it rattle some things? Would love that detackle on my particular squad. Yeah, Troutman, Boston Conor Yeah, that'd be awesome. And I feel like because of the detackle kind of like expectation I think it's Milton Williams from Philadelphia is expecting like an 80 million dollar deal And obviously we just saw Osa get a massive payday So you'd assume something like that might affect the Jonathan Allen, but yeah, he becomes one of the premier players. Oh

affect to Jonathan Allen but yeah he becomes one of the premier players. Oh no! Master Week continues, Digges sent in from Schultz, Starbucks Air. The Texans have informed starting guard Shaq Mason that he's being released. He started 15 games this past season. Okay, so Shaq Mason goes into the free agency market. I mean, Master Week's real. We did think with the way Souther Cap was going up, we didn't think the Massacre Week was going to, you know, be as heavy, maybe. We didn't think it was going to be as many folks, but instead we're finding out

more money, yeah, and we got different ideas on which way we're going to go. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion, Walter Payton, man of the year, three-time All-Pro, four-time Pro Bowler. He's obviously a national champion from college. He had five years with the Rams, 11 years with the Bengals, was the second rounder out of LSU. Ladies and gentlemen, Big Handsome from Thursday Night Football on Amazon Prime and the Witt and Fitz podcast. Andrew Whitworth. Yeah. Appreciate you, baby. Appreciate you. How you doing? I like your wording there, Witt and FitzITZ Podcast. That's correct. Is that what it is?

Is that what it is? It's the FITZ and WIT Podcast, but I'm trying to get it changed, Pat. We're in a disagreement. That's what I mean. Every week I argue with him. We should flip it. Well, see, if it means anything.

You're on my team. That's what I like. Okay. Unbeknownst to me, I'm on your squad. To be clear, in my head, there was an Eenie Meeneny Miny Moe situation happening while I was talking about you. Is it Fitz and Witt or is it Witt and Fitz?

And then in my head, I thought I saw Witt first, but maybe that means I am on your side completely. Yeah, maybe the natural thing is to say the non plural sounding name first and then Fitz. Second, you know, because of the Z at the end. Fitz and Witt's a good name though. Great show great show, too Thank you guys have gotten pretty sure they're in such a short amount of time. How do you feel you look amazing? I Appreciate it, brother, you know just trying to keep it moving Pat

You know, I spend my offseason still training like I think I'm playing I guess, you know, it makes me feel young at heart I got four little kids to chase around so I you know, I can't ever let these boys feel like they're hitting that teenage stage yeah they can't feel like they can take pops down so I got to stay in a dominant position yeah you got to be alpha you know if you have a pet orangutan or something be careful anytime that thing thinks it is the alpha the house now you got to do dynamic I don't have it boys but I would assume it is a very similar feeling on your end can you tell me about these workouts a little bit? We talked off air. I don't want to air out your laundry. You can say whatever you want, but these workouts are every day at 6 a.m

Yeah, yeah me and Sean this year decided this offseason We were gonna try to connect in the mornings get some training and Sean McVeigh is trying to you know I think he's trying to relive his my new Ohio days a little bit He still thinks he can get out there and make it happen out there on the field. So we've been training every morning, 6 a.m. at a gym I have here in West Lake village called the, we actually call it the village. She was just kind of a mixture of the people in my life and my trainer that I trained with while I was playing. So we got a lot of guys there, Cooper cup and

Pooka Nakua and all those guys train still Tyler Higbee, Jordan Whittington. We got some guys coming in. So it's fun, man. I get to be a part of the locker room a little bit still. That feeling you love, man. Yeah, and they get a chance to train at a place that isn't the facility. You know, you're there all the time,

but you get to train with the guys without having to go anywhere else. That's an excellent opportunity for all parties involved, especially with the camaraderie building that needs to happen for a team to be great, happens in the off season. You said Cooper Cup in there. How's that going with everybody?

He's cool with everybody because he understands the business. Yeah, I think, you know, obviously it's nothing in your career, man. Anytime you kind of see a door closed and you feel like something's going to change, I think it gets emotional. And you know, obviously, what Cooper's meant to this franchise will never change. He's made all our lives better and brought a freaking super bowl championship here in an insane season He had uh, but cooper's also driven in the passion of who he is every single day So he trains, you know, I watched him yesterday with pukin akua and jordan wittenton and those guys

You know giving them some insight of of route running and some of the things that he you know Emphasizes when he's doing things it's it's not just about the football field to him man It's about the legacy of who he is as a man and the impact he has on guys around him And he's always been wired that way so I can imagine whatever team gets him They're gonna be excited to have a guy who's not only gonna be a great football player But what he's gonna be able to teach and bring to a locker room in a group Is gonna be really special because he's like having a coach on the field from his ability and really from the mental part

of the game, what he understands. Okay, so he's training, you said, as of today. So he's in good shape, body feeling good, everything, all systems go. Pat, he's shirtless in there every day. He's just letting the guys know, I still got it, baby. He's showing off the six pack. I think it's a little shot at Puka like you better stay in shape this is the kind of

shape I'm in you know pukas known for throwing up in the trash can coop wants to show off the six pack that's what it is puka getting after it all the way to the point where he throws up respect dog yeah absolute dog what an oose in there and then Cooper Cup definitely has spray tan though right you're not gonna be that white with a shirt off unless there's at least a little bit of a tan see down there at the beach Maybe uh toning that up a little bit. I don't think who puts any chemicals on his body including deodorant So I think he's an all-natural guy Got a hippie coming to your town who's a

Incredible wide receiver especially could be a great addition to a locker room. Let's talk about you You obviously were synonymous with the Bengals for a long, long time. And I remember when you left the Bengals, there was some sort of something. I don't remember the exacts of it. Then you ended up with the Rams. Yeah, some sort of something.

Yeah, I don't, I just, it feels like there's teams that are getting in that position now. Obviously not just the Bengals who Trey Hendrickson is allowed to go look for a trade. Sam Hubbard just retired. We thought that might open up some money for Trey Hendrickson, but they tell him he can go seek a trade

because they got T. Higgins, Jamar Chase, a lot of people they have to figure out over there. San Francisco 49ers seemingly have to deal with it every single year. Whenever you're talking about, we don't have to just talk about the Bengals, but obviously they're a part of this conversation as a whole. Whenever you have to pick and choose

who you're giving money to and how much money you're giving to people, how uncomfortable does that actually get behind closed doors, do you think? That we don't talk about. I giving to people how uncomfortable does that actually get behind closed doors do you think that we don't talk about I think it's really uncomfortable I think it's one of the things maybe the fan base is sometimes don't understand this week isn't just about who's getting acquired or who's leaving and who we're cutting there's a lot of emotions involved and a lot of nerves because you're hoping that

a lot of these decisions or quality decisions you're making as a personnel group and you're saying hey we feel like we want to move money this direction or we want to add money here to our team and you look at the Cincinnati Bengals situation, which is a great one You know obviously Joe burrows been very Outspoken about morning T Higgins and Jamar chase back and the Bengals have always done things Financially a certain way and so it's kind of one of those things like maybe hey listen Joe We're gonna try to do this

But these are the people they're gonna have to go and there's gonna be people that aren't gonna be a part of this team If we're gonna do it that way, so you look at Trey Hendricks situation I think it's the Max Crosby deal that really probably sent this to this point because now they go Wow, if that's the asking price, you know You probably need to go out there and see if there's another team that would offer you that and then give us some compensation to really make it worth our while to move on. $106.5 million extension from Max Crosby, completely earned. We're not saying he deserves every bit of it.

Every play with this guy plays just like Trey Hendrickson. It is the the engine is obviously absurd, but the impact on the game that a pass rusher has, especially if you're Trey Hendrickson, the pass sack king last year, and then last three years most sacks out of anybody, it's like, I assume somebody will be like, yup, we will make that play for Trey Hendrickson. And the Bengals are gonna be back at a spot

that they're always in, which is get talent, can't keep talent, business always gets in the way, because there's a lot of stats floating out there about paying Joey burrow and then obviously the Eagles paid Jalen Hurts and somehow the Eagles are able to keep everybody in the Bengals are very rarely ever able to keep anybody so how do you view the situation as somebody that's been so close to it in the past well the issue is is the Bengals are never gonna you know issue out lots of guarantees and contracts. And unfortunately, they've just continued to be way behind times in

that that spot because it's like that's the part of the business now. And eventually, you know, you may have had an old way of doing things, but if you don't ever change, you're going to always get left behind in these situations. Continuously, they've let big free agents leave. Now, it's not that every team hasn't done that, but then they've also not been able to replace them you look how many draft picks They've spent on the defensive side of the football since they lost Jesse Bates and DJ reader and now possibly Trey Hendrickson And they just haven't been able to find guys that match up to that standard of play So if you can't pay them to stay and you also don't draft their replacement You're living in a world where we just keep spinning the circle and you're gonna be keep putting

Yourself in this position where you're gonna have to overpay to keep some talent and right now you look at it You've gone this long with T Higgins being upset with his contract Jamar chase Obviously needs to get taken care of those are the things that is hate to see teams do to continue to allow it to fester Make a decision pay the guy move on from the guy But stop letting it just linger in the locker room. Because to me, that's what you really see start to have an effect. Like what the Cowboys did with CD Lamb and Dak last year, it just continues to fester your team and it affects your locker room because you create a bad vibe every single day about who's going to get paid

that's deserved the opportunity to get paid. You gotta make those decisions and make a clean cut of what we're gonna do and let's move forward. Andrew stars get jaded towards the organization and once again the Bengals aren't the only team that does this. Historically though they've been a team that's been in the spotlight of doing this because they get so many good players and then can't keep them and it's like have a guy right now are they gonna be able to figure out the business to keep these talented gentlemen in Cincinnati? You know whenever you provide a guarantee for somebody ownership has to put that money up into a fund So they actually have to have that money right now. You have to be able to put that in there

So that's obviously a question with the Brown family Would they be willing to put that amount of money because the bangles are their only business? It's it's crazy because there's other owners that like $106.5 million, not that Mark Davis is this way, even though he sold to some funds, I think, some venture, a 10% he sold. There's some owners that can literally just

$106.5 million just be like, oh yeah, fucking. What? We don't care. And then there's some ownerships that the team is all they got. And it's like fluidity of cash is not necessarily in abundance. I'll be excited to see how that kind of continues to work itself out. And you talk about taking care of guys early. JJ Watt literally just said that

yesterday. It's like, it's good for all parties to take care of somebody early. Saquon Barkley's deal. How about that shit? Just awesome. Right. You talk about another one, just like Max Crosby, like that, that's what you want to see. you want to see this relationship with organizations Where when a guy plays to a certain standard and you go, hey, you know what? This is what we want to encourage a guy comes in here the character He plays with the style he plays with how he achieved We're gonna make sure these kind of guys get taken care of early that also helps us make decisions down the road

and that's what I think is the issue is sometimes the cat and mouse game of the team and the player and trying to figure out, all right, do we want to keep leveraging and holding off paying them? Like the sooner you can make a commitment to guys. And that's really what the Eagles have done. Great. Hey, let's pick our five, six, seven guys that we know without question, the character they are and the football football player they are, we're going to

commit to them to move forward. And now that gives us the space to go alright when these other situations come up can we make a move can we not and that really is what to me separates what howie roseman's been able to do is not just these ghost years and these contracts people are talking about how they put them together but he commits to guys that he knows this is a guy that I'm gonna want my organization no matter what and it's the same Thing that's been the criticism of the Giants with let in Saquon leave How do you let talented football players who are also great characters?

Awesome for your culture ever walk out of your building You know to really validate what that number is that you say is too much is Crazy to me because you want good character people who are great football players. That's what you're in the business of acquiring. You don't let those people walk out of your building. Yeah and we watch it all unfold on that Hard Knocks offseason. Boy that was a... that has all just come back completely the other way. And Mara the owner has to feel like a super genius. Yeah. He's probably... whenever he's going around conversation, you seen Hard Knocks? I know Ball. I know, I

know, I know ball. I told him, I, I try to give him a hint. I try to give him a tip because remember it was said back in the day, just a few years back that Mara was sick of telling his friends why his team sucks, which is why he invested a bunch of money, invested a bunch of money. And then this whole situation happens tomorrow is like, I fucking know it. They don't let me. Yeah, the craziest comment, Pat, to that whole situation happens tomorrow. It's like, I'm telling you, I fucking know it. They don't let me. Yeah, the craziest comment, Pat, to that whole situation was when Sheen said that you don't

pay a running back, you know, 12 to 15 million, you know, and have your $40 million quarterback hand the ball off to him. And I'm like, wait a minute, isn't 55 million what all the great quarterbacks are getting paid? So wouldn't you pay your quarterback less and then you're running back more and then that adds up to what the great quarterbacks are like that isn't even the math actually adds up to that would be the equivalent of what those guys actually get paid and that would be the dynamic if you have a quarterback for $40 million and you look at the to me it just never made

any sense and you look at the picture right next to your head right now it's like Philadelphia Eagles they paid a guy quarterback and yeah he did and the ball off off. They handed the ball off more than they threw the ball. And they're still A-OK with paying Jalen Hertz the amount of money that they're currently paying him. It's a wild time, you know? And it's crazy how this all works, but maybe the Bengals, maybe the Giants, maybe all these teams, they figure it out this off season.

Let's go, let's go. The one team that I don't even think their fans have any hope, and maybe even the people in the building The Cleveland Browns interesting situations we stay in. Oh, yeah, they're in it They are in it right now. Miles Garrett has requested a trade. He also requested allegedly a meeting with ownership I assume he was gonna go up to has them and just say yeah I'm never coming in this building again So the right thing to do is just to get me out of here. Haslam allegedly declined the meeting

so they were not able to catch up is what's being reported at this exact moment. Andrew Berry has done a media rounds, the general manager for the Cleveland Browns, done a media round saying, Miles Garrett's gonna be a Cleveland Brown, Miles Garrett's gonna be a Cleveland Brown. Now it's being reported that Miles Garrett

is willing to miss games because he said he wants to go and play meaningful football. What are your thoughts on how this works out and where do you rank Myles Garrett as a guy amongst the defensive end pass rushers? Is this a Mount Rushmore player already? Well, there's no question he's a Mount Rushmore type player. He's also like the win the game off the bus guy every time.

I mean, I don't know, every time you see this guy it's impressive just the physical stature he has. But you look at this situation, Pat, it's crazy to me because as because as much you know hard time I give the Cincinnati Bengals some of these decisions Obviously, I loved playing there but one of the things I respected the most is every time a contract situation came up or I was upset and My agent and I talked I would go upstairs and Mike Brown was an open-door policy at all times Anytime you want to come meet with me you want to talk about these things We could sit down and have man-to-man conversations and disagree and that be okay But we're gonna talk about it

You can feel better about the fact you communicated in my face about it and I just I hate the idea that you would turn down that request because regardless of what you're gonna do and Just from I tell this to players all the time as a leader of a locker room You're a man before you're anything else and always live your life that way and make decisions that way We stick true to who you are and so to reject an opportunity to sit down with a guy I don't even understand that that doesn't even make any sense Allow him to come in and tell you how he feels because maybe You would understand him a little better

Maybe you'd understand the situational better better, or maybe even for him. If you got a chance to convince him why you feel this way, why we'll never trade you, maybe that convinces him to stay a little more. I just think it's a bad way to do it. And unfortunately, they have put him in situations in his eight years he's been there, to where you gotta say,

hey, Miles, we haven't done a very good job of giving you competitive teams and making good decisions But at the same time, you know what? You're an unbelievable football player and we're not in the business of getting rid of great football players Who are also great people like I just said about Saquon But those conversations have to be had that man-to-man conversation will matter to miles Garrett Either way it shakes out because I still even though though my Cincinnati Inn wasn't great, left with a great appreciation for the man Mike Brown is, and I actually have the letter he wrote me when I left in free agency on my wall right here behind me

because it meant so much to me that we always had that relationship, no matter how it ended. That's awesome to hear that. And that's business, you know? The reason why all this is happening is because it is a business. The way you go about doing business is explaining your side.

Like that is, and then you're negotiating. Miles could go in there and be negotiating with Haslem, and Haslem will be negotiating with Miles. Now it might just sound like a recruiting conversation, but that's negotiating. Getting your guy back, or why you're back, or how much you're worth, and everything like that. Maybe Haslem explains why he pulled the trigger on Deshaun Watson and gave the contract that he gave. Miles, I did that to make a team for you. Like that is what I try to do this for because I saw Joe Thomas

sit here forever. I'm watching Joel Botonio now sit here forever. I'm watching you sit here forever. So the reason why I did this with Deshaun is because of you. So it's like there is a cell that you can do in there in that conversation as well. Both sides, you know, and maybe even Miles goes in there and goes like mr. hasm very honored to be a Brown it has been I love the city I've love playing for you but you guys have no avenue to success over the next three years and who knows how long I have so I'm just trying and it maybe hasms like all right you got it and then shake hands and he's on his way out it's like those things can happen and probably have happened in

the past wait I would assume Yeah, I mean you think about it. What if mall says listen, my heart's just not here anymore That's not a place I want to be do you want to be in the business of paying a guy? Who's that great who you're obviously paying a lot of money to that just doesn't want to be there I mean, I think that yes two teams do have the right to own you and possess you if they want to and keep you There but you know Mike Mike Tomlin has said it best, right? We want volunteers, not hostages like you. You got to think about your culture as well when you make these kind of decisions.

And it's not like Miles Garrett just angrily sent out a tweet and said, I want to hear the guy wrote a freaking letter, like an address, like he's retiring of I'm basically retiring from being a Cleveland Brown and I'm ready to move on. And I think back to my situation in 2011 in Cincinnati with Carson Palmer who did basically the same thing with the organization and just said listen I'm not done playing football But I am done being a Cincinnati Bengal and I will retire before I ever play here again And he did he sat out most of that season until about week eight when Hugh Jackson who had been here with us

that season until about week eight when Hugh Jackson, who had been here with us, was able to call Mike Brown and convince him not to let Carson go out that way, trading to us in Oakland with the Raiders, and that really extended his career. But Mike Brown was gonna put his feet in the ground and allow Carson to just walk off and retire. And so they had their head-to-head, but eventually I think you gotta ask yourself if you want that in the building if Miles really genuinely never wants to be a Cleveland Brown again That's a tough culture and you know there has been money that is obviously soothed over these types of fractures and relationships in the past

Maybe we'll see that but yeah, let's go shake their hands boys Let's go shake their hands and nobody's scared to go in there and be combative. Hey that happens Yeah, especially like and but at the end. Yeah, exactly. You need to go represent in there now Let's talk a little bit about another team that has been notoriously terrible, but making some moves that don't look bad Ty Schmidt is a question for you. Yeah, what do you think about what the Bears have done so far this offseason? Obviously, it seems like Caleb Williams got sacked like 500 times last year Some people think you know part of that was on him, part of it was definitely on the offensive line, but then Ben Johnson right away goes out and trades for Jonah Jackson who he had in Detroit and was great in Detroit. And then they kind of shock everyone and go out and

get Joe Tooney. How big of an impact will this have almost immediately on the Bears next year? I think it has a huge impact. I mean you really look at what Ben Johnson came from. I mean we talk about all the weapons and all those type things, but let's not forget where the Lions really get their bread and butter in the sense of their built up front and that's who they were and have been and protecting Jared Goff was was obviously the number one priority for them. And then all the pieces could come to life because of that and you really look at the great coordinators across the league, you'll hear them talk about how the quarterbacks number one, the offensive lines number two, and that can flip just depending on who can do what that's got to be the priority of how I call a game. And when I'm making a play call every snap, it has to do with those two things. And the Chicago bears had to find a way to protect Caleb Williams.

And if we think he's similar in style, possibly to a Mahomes or some of these guys it's gonna have an ability Yeah, we got to get to playing in time and a rhythm better But also gonna have that opportunity to extend plays and make plays then I want to provide him an interior offensive line that's gonna give him time to have those opportunities because you really look at Patrick Mahomes a lot of his success has been because of having Trey Smith and Creed Humphrey and Joe Tuni in that interior three and Really we've seen guys coming in and out of the lineup at right tackle and left tackle So adding a Joe Tuni and a Jonah Jackson a guy's been just familiar with who already is gonna know his system

This just adds another layer of hey Caleb We're gonna make you a little more comfortable in this offense and we're gonna be able to do some things run the football Use athletic guards. that can pull and move i think those are things that are going to give confidence to ben johnson as a play caller and then also going to provide some space to the quarterback to be able to stay in that pocket and make plays hey how much is confidence in the offensive line from the quarterback paramount in the success of everything because i think there's some conversations about some of these younger quarterbacks and not all of them obviously and Caleb He has never said this we're just kind of looking whenever you think you're gonna get your ass beat on every single play

There is a chance that there is a lack of like going through your progressions and just trying to survive now That can't be how you play your entire NFL career You have to grow out of that you have to be able to just stick in there and have faith that the people in Front of you will do that, but it felt like Caleb got that you know Caleb was very uncomfortable I think even Bryce Young if you go back to before he got benched to after he got benched it's like it feels like he had a lot more confidence in the boys in front of him maybe that's cuz Andy Dalton but if you lose that confidence middle of season that's gonna be hard to get back

so hopefully this will help bring back Caleb with some confidence with the old line. Yeah that's the thing you really look at. I was just going to say that, Pat. You look at the Carolina situation. A lot of times when people say, what is it? Sit the quarterback early or not. When I think you see these young guys, really what they need to see sometimes is a veteran like Andy Dalton that Bryce Young got to watch. Go in there and balls coming out in time and a rhythm.

Guys like the offensive line gets more confidence because they can trust that this quarterback, he's going to hit his back foot and he's gonna let it go the Receivers get more confident in their route and what they're doing that hey, I'm gonna get a ball on time I got to be ready to catch it So they speed up and now the offense starts to move at a faster pattern with everybody having a trust and belief of how we're Gonna operate. Oh and then Bryce Young comes back in and he kind of sticks to that script and it's like oh man I'm sorry to have some success then he starts to get confident and then you start to open yourself up I mean Pat, I know you play golf, you know what it's like when you hit that one great shot and you're like, oh

Wait a minute today's my date. Then what do you do? You feel like you can start opening up all the options I could draw it I could cut it I can start to play the different things that confidence is real in sports And so I think you saw that we're Bryce Young this year And I think that's what the Bears are looking for. And the other thing that I think is really important to the Bears situation, Pat, I was with Andy Dalton when he was a rookie,

veteran offensive lineman. He had a couple other vets with me that we could be around for him and help him. You look at it when I came to LA with Jared Goff, he had a struggle his rookie year. And then his second year with Sean McVeigh and us, John Sullivan, other vets in that group Roger Saffold we were able to kind of be there and give him kind of we got you like trust us to protect you

I think adding to veteran guards who've done it at a high level that you believe in it's not just how they play It's those little moments in the huddle of man. It's third Nate. Hey, we're gonna give you a little more tick, man We'll give you another second to get this ball out. You do your thing man. Just being able to have that veteran presence in the offense. Think of what you had last year. He didn't have a veteran backup. He didn't have a veteran lineman in that group that it really played and had a lot of experience over time. So this is going to be something that's not just about their play. It's also about who they are as human beings.

It's a success. They've had a pat on the helmet. Hey, we're good. You you know like that type of shit that's a big deal. Hey stay your ass up in the pocket. Hey I'm not holding on for 20 seconds. All that type of stuff. Hey listen I tell Jared golf every play call hey what's this one seven step five step hey eight yards nine yards don't you dare get deeper than that. Hey Jared, I'm running him. Hell no. Hey Jared, I'm running him. Okay, so you're back there, this is on you. Okay, we need you.

You're back there, it's on you baby. That is a big deal. You forget about the human side of this whole thing. You know? And it's like Caleb, I don't know if he felt like he had to project as if he knew everything, but he did have to project as if he knew everything. And it's like, you look around that team,

there wasn't a lot of people that were like, hey, also this, hey, also this, to work alongside of him. I think he has that confidence to be a leading man. Like I think he does. I think he has the ability to do it too. I think if they put the right people around him, why not Chicago, Zito? Why not Chicago?

Why not? Let's go. Well, history tells us it won't be. Don't forget, Jonah Jackson's also training at the Village, baby. So hey, we're going, baby. We're team bears over here, too I did not know that we got a factory happening over there with Whitworth now Let's talk about you said Jonah Jackson training over there. We're talking about Tooney going over there

We're talking about, you know teams rewarding, you know certain things. How about whenever the world champion rewards the offensive line in the running back? What does that mean? Connor has a question for you, Witt. Yeah, Witt, all those things about the old line and the pass game are great, but it does feel like the running game, the trenches are all the way back, and that has kind of become, you know, the new thing once again because we always talk about how the NFL is cyclical. What do you think about kind of that structure to a team? Do you think more teams are going to try to do it like Philly both in the draft and bringing in elite running backs and some of that offensive line town? Do you think those two positions all of a sudden are a much bigger deal?

And also, do you think kind of the strategy that Cincinnati and some other teams are going with kind of the high powered throw the ball over the yard is kind of becoming old news almost. And that isn't a real way to win. Yeah, I think that's my biggest concern for Cincinnati. I'll answer the second one first is that yes, you can put up a lot of points and they got on a roll at the end of the season. But look how they've started every year and it's like if they don't start

successfully, then it's like they're always playing this game where yeah, you're putting up points. But just cuz you're down in a lot of games and you're not controlling the time of possession and you're not dominating the other team you're just able to put up a lot of explosives I think we're starting to see a switch in the league now back to time of possession running the football be able to sustain drives and we know it's a copycat league so I think it's gonna be really interesting to see this offseason I look at a guy like

Ronnie Stanley you know some of these guys Jack Mason now just getting released like some of these better in linemen What's the market gonna be? What are some like teams gonna say? Hey, we have to get better up front so that we can run the football I think it's gonna be interesting how many teams try to copycat the only problem is is To me it's it's like when you have three great players on NBA team You know what those three superstar teams like say Kwan-Barkley should not be Behind that offensive line. It's actually crazy that this even happened because of how good they are up front and now say Kwan But if you want to copycat the Eagles, it's real simple

You need a bunch of second-round picks that get a chance to watch Jason Kelsey and Lane Johnson Tremendous football players play you need a guy like Lane Johnson the last You know freaking over a decade and played a super high level You need a rugby player who can come over and after playing rugby and have to be an absolute freak at left tackle Oh, and then find you a top 15 pick who's a bust who can come in and move to position He's never played in his life and be dominant So if you want to copycat it, go for it. Have fun guys. Yeah, and get Saquon, get a running back that can jump over people backwards.

Saquon did say that he took less money to go to Philadelphia because of the big guys up front. He thought exactly what you said, exactly what a lot of people were thinking at the end of the year. It's like that pairing, greatest in history. He broke the record for obviously including playoff runs and playoff yardage. Most yardage by running back in the history and then his yards before contact was like a top five running back this year. Let alone his total yards but his yards before contact like that one wasn't even touched there.

His yards before contact living by itself as its own running back top five running back in the in the entire league. So it's like that's directly to scheme and offensive line and then I think his yak he has he's like that's directly to scheme and offensive line. And then I think his yak he has he's like top 15 or so. It's unbelievable. It is unbelievable. And Howie and Sirianni and everybody in Philadelphia was like, yeah, we want to do that again. Yeah, we would like to do that. Let's see how many times we can run that. Yeah, no shit. McKay Bekton. What a story. Yeah. Is that not unbelievable? What is he six foot six? Yeah, when you see these guys get a chance like that

after the Super Bowl to reflect on the journey and even to watch him, how emotional he would get to just being a part of a winning program, being a part of something just bigger than yourself. I think that feeling, you guys know this with the success y'all have all had together. It's like being a part of something bigger than just you that all of a sudden you have all the success

And it's going in the right direction Yeah, you believed it But you didn't really know if it happened and then to sit there and be in those moments to watch a guy like Mikhaj like it's Tough man when you get the NFL you have this expectation at one place that you're gonna come in and be dominant I can remember him running the 40 and we all freaking out about it Which is a huge freak athlete he was and then to have the injuries he had which were real stuff Right that it's really a struggle to get through and then to be labeled a bust and you know what when you say that about a Top pick it's like we say man your career is over like you were a top pick and now you can't make it

It's over and you get to a place you play a position You never played in your life and you get around an awesome group that all of a sudden gives you confidence to believe in yourself. It's what's so freaking awesome about football, man, that you get that belief and now there's a new new fragrance to you, man. You feel like you smell good. You look good. You play good. Uh, that to me is the beauty of this game. Stoutland university over there does it again with Sirianni putting him at guard is obviously something that not a lot of people would do.

And for him, going from being a top 15 tackle to go to guard is like a cornerback being told you're gonna go to safety, like you don't have it anymore. So for him to put his ego aside and be like, yeah, I just wanna play ball, that's awesome. Now let's talk about the tackle coming into this year's draft out of LSU. Hey, oh.

this year's draft out of LSU. Hey, oh. Death Valley. Yeah, you're right, don't say it. Tone has a question for you. Yeah, talking about top 15 tackles, having to go to guard. I assume you know Will Campbell, since you guys, I believe, went to the same hometown, same college, same position.

He's the number one tackle on the board, and then he goes to the combine, and he has the shortest arms in 10 years or Whatever it is and now all the draft guys and all the stack guys are saying he can't play left tackle in the NFL How do you feel about you know teams saying that guys with shorter arms can't play tackle and moving them to guard You think will will be able to play out there and just in general that just that whole that whole situation going on with tackles moving to guard Yeah, I mean you look at his tape and really how he played in college.

I mean, there's nothing that sticks out and says, oh, he can't play tackle. Sure. You can go find you some clips of the guy, long arm him or long arm at him or something, but guess what? Every tackle in the entire group has got some play like that out there, but you look at really the physicality of the strength he has, I think he has a demeanor to play this game. And I say this all the time

Man never let people's opinions of you become your reality And so his his really willpower that who is he made of what's his medal as a man to say? You know what to give me that label that I can't play this position I'll go show you I can because when I came out for the draft not because of arm length or anything else But because people thought I wasn't athletic enough different than him. It was hey, he could only play guard or possibly be a right tackle that could start for you, but he'll never play left tackle. So to this day, I can list you anything about any left tackles that ever played in my time. Not because I hated any of those guys, but because some scouts said this guy won't play left tackle.

I can list you the stats of who started the most games played in the most playoffs and won a Super Bowl and Division championships you name it all right you want to list the stat let's talk about it but it's still something that lives in you man and so his drive and will to prove them wrong that'll be a separator and maybe it'll be at left tackle maybe you'll be it being an all-pro guard who knows but I think wheels wired right I'm excited to see his journey. Willpower cable. I have good Willpower down there. If you're an offensive lineman down there in a bayou, I'm impressed because how hot it is. Carrying that weight around, which leads me to this.

I was reminded of a part of your Walter Payton Man of the Year speech this morning. Got sent back in from Foxy, who's a Detroit Lions fan. For those that did not hear it or see it, here's Big Whit after winning the Walter Payton Man of the Year at the NFL Honor Show. In our game against the Detroit Lions, I had a young player from the Lions run up to me as soon as the final horn went off.

And I saw him sprinting over and I didn't know what was going on. Like we'd known each other forever. I couldn't place it It made me so nervous Had I actually played long enough that like a coach's son or players son is playing against me He stopped that he said hey man, you're not gonna remember me I'm Derek Barnes You spent time with me when you were a young player in Cincinnati at the Boys and Girls Club.

And it meant the world to me. You used to sit with me and talk to me about life. And I was just a little kid. I want you to know how much it meant to me. I said, man. He goes, you know what? The main thing I want to say with I made it. I made it to the NFL big with.

Hey, getting choked up just watching it again. I couldn't imagine your feelings. He just signs a massive deal. Not only did he make it to the NFL, he just changed everything for him in the next generation of his family. 25 and a half million. I said, big brothers, big sisters. It was the boys and girls club in Cincinnati hey that had to be so cool to kind of

experience that and see that and also for somebody to come up and say that whenever you decided to go do something to make the community better you did I'm happy you got your flowers in real time with legit I'm happy got the flowers appreciate it brother appreciate a little hot and bothered right there there's no some sweating yeah what were you 340 there three fit? What were you 340 Pat? I'd come straight from practice We've been practicing for that. We're actually playing in the Super Bowl So I came straight from practice got a car service believe it or not. They actually forgot the car service So we had to drive. I believe it

We got a police escort me and Cooper Cup Cooper Cup got offensive play of the year and I won Walter Payton But we were holland-butt down the 101 the 405 trying to get to practice I mean trying to get to the honors and it was an amazing night You know Pat the cool thing about that speech that I will say real quick is You know, obviously you get put on the timer. We watch the award shows the music's gonna start playing you only got so long Hey, wait, don't talk too much We want you to talk a little bit. And so I gave that speech, and the only part I didn't get to finish it up with

is obviously people walk away from that and go, man, you made an awesome impact in this kid's life at Boys and Girls Club, you were a rookie in the NFL, spending your Tuesdays hanging out with these kids, throwing the football, and developed a relationship. But I wanna make sure people understand something, that that act of service sometimes is as much for you As it is for them. And so what I really wish I could have buttoned it up with is that derek barnes

Changed my life every bit as much as I changed his in his mind because the real truth is I was a louisiana kid that had moved to ohio. I was lost. I just got out of a long-time relationship I didn't know who I was or what I was going to be But the only thing that made me feel right is going to remind myself playing with these kids, man, that I started playing this game because I loved playing the game. And I loved being around people who just loved playing it as well.

And it just got me back to reminding myself who I was and what I came from. And that filled my heart and gave me the passion to go chase it every single Sunday, that I'm gonna change my family's life So to see Derek Barnes now get this contract have the opportunity that the game only changed his life But he's gonna be able to change everyone around his life because of what he's achieved That's the coolest freaking part of it man, and he deserves all the credit in the world. Hell. Yeah

Hey fulfillment's a real thing. Isn't it? Isn't it crazy? fulfillment is a really the only thing worth getting or chasing. And those Community Tuesdays did a lot, not just for you, but across the league for young players. And I'm happy to hear that about Derrick. What a story. I'm happy he remembered too, you know? Cause everyone's on one of those things

just kind of come and go. He obviously, great dude, as are you. Connor had a question he wanted to ask you. Yeah Big Whit, we've heard this story a couple times from one of your buddies Jay Glazer. Is it true that when you guys were down in Cabo you're all hanging out in the pool and Drew Brees gave a big old cannonball and then somehow some way you and Sean McVeigh and all the guys recruited Stafford on that trip to come to the Rams. Got him boozed up. Yep.

Got him boozed. Jay Glazer's out there serving booze. Right. Drew Brees is doing cannonball. Right. And Big Wits like, hey, why don't you come meet my friend Sean McVeigh? He's younger than you, but he's fucking ready to go. Is that what happened?

Were you the mediator there? You know what? We had a good time in Cabo, that's for sure. That I will say. We had a good time, a lot of good people, and a lot of those same people were still intertwined, man. It's been an awesome ride, that's for sure. But that was a cool moment, honestly. Drew Brees did cannonball in the pool. I don't remember us being in the hot tub part. I don't know where Jay got that one. He may be

like kind of a little romantic at heart or something. I don't know. I remember there was bubbles. Yeah, classic place. There was bubbles coming out, it was warm. It was heat. Yeah, you know, I think that's the salesman in him a little bit. But I do remember Drew Brees cannonballing in the pool and splashes with water while we were actually sitting there having a dinner with Sean McBey's birthday, actually. And he cannonballed us. I was I thought that I got a lot of respect for Drew for that. Absolutely. That doesn't sound like a Drew Brees dude. I respect the Drew Brees. I think he'd had a dinner and had him a couple too, Pat. He was feeling good. What?

Yeah. He was feeling good. Like, Hey, you know what? Yeah. I think he remembered the NFC championship, the non-call. And he said, you know what? These guys are a little too dressed up for me. I'm going to give them a cannonball

and make sure they remember. That changed football there for like a year. The passing of offense was reviewable and then it wasn't and then now it stinks and now it's back in with who knows. That was a massive game, massive year for you guys. Fun to watch and you're great, man. This is an incredible conversation. We can't thank you enough.

Anytime brother, appreciate you guys. Witten fits, witten fits. Let's go do this. Witten fits, witten fits. Let's go do all of this. and Fitz, Witt and Fitz. Let's go do all of this. I got the mug, baby. Oh, you already got the merch. Fitz and Witt.

Yeah. Oh, wait, I'm holding it the wrong way. Yeah, you're holding it the wrong way. Sorry, Witt. Just flip it upside down. Ladies and gentlemen, Thursday Night Football on Prime, Super Bowl champion Andrew Whitworth. Yeah, Whit.

That's Eric Barnsor. That's awesome. Awesome. So cool. And he has one of the biggest plays in Lions history. Two years ago, divisional round, picks off Baker Mayfield, That's Eric Barnsworth. That's awesome. Awesome. So cool. And he has one of the biggest plays in Lions history. Two years ago, divisional round, picks off Baker Mayfield, sends it to the NFC championship, MCDC guy through and through.

It's awesome. Yeah, he's, you know, Walter Payton, man of the year, they don't just hand those out. No. Right. You know, that is something you got to give back to the community in which you call home. And there's a lot more good around the NFL happening than bad, although the negative headlines are always the ones that are gonna be chit-chatting about the most. Those Community Tuesdays are awesome. I got a chance to meet a lot of people, you know. Children's Hospital,

it's how I got hooked up with the military group, Wish For Our Heroes that I started working with. I built a house at one point, I stopped by, you know, a food. I don't know if it was in a pantry. Bank? It was like a food bank, but it wasn't, it was like serving food, got a chance to be a part of that. It's like, it's really cool to kind of get in there in the feeling that you get, you know, and I started this, I got lucky to start doing this type of thing in college with Bill

Stewart. Bill Stewart sent us over to the hospital, which is across the street from the stadium, rest in peace to coach Bill Stewart. And it was like the first time going to see like sick kids and like families going through it. It's not just the kid or the patient that's going through it it's also the family the mom and the dad and the brother and everything that has stopped completely to try to hopefully save the life or fight through something that's very devastating. That type of fulfillment is awesome. If you get a chance to go and

give back I would recommend it wholeheartedly. It is a cool feeling, cool experience and to Witt's point you're getting a lot more out of it than you could ever expect whenever you're doing that. So shout out to Witt being a good dude and great. That was good football. Yeah, Joe, very good. That was really good football. Great insight. We could have continued to go. We had what, 45 more Jay Glazer questions. Without a doubt. And actually I believe Glaze was working out at the Village yesterday with Chuck Lando. So he's there. Well, he has that unbreakable performance. He does laser has that gym in LA. Yep I believe it's in Hollywood above the pink taco. Correct. Sure It's up the hill from the pink taco. I've worked out in there and that's the village right there, huh?

Yeah, Jay glazer has been traveling overseas to get an injection so he can continue to roll with these guys Good beard on I know kind of see with the background. I think is that the big bald-headed guy in the back Door maybe not maybe not that looks like a war. That's a massive dude taking the photo there though I will say yeah with the hat another UFC guy Yeah, I was gonna say you see those ears shot the Jay shot the chuck like bill I fuck the chuck like oh shout out great on throws up Cheers. Shout out to Jay. Shout out to Chuck Lidell. What the fuck's with Chuck Lidell? Shout out. Great entourage episode. Shout out Johnny Drama.

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be a part of the show but it is not this show that needs to be stated it's not this show but the boys will be a part of show throughout the talk's the table is here at boss Connor and attachment i don't think that lake trout will be making an appearance i never know don't sleep on the fish look i'm not going to say that it is i'm not going to say that it is. I'm not going to say that it isn't. You know, who knows? Maybe you guys want to buy one of these things after. I don't know.

Oh, you're saying. What if you buy one? I thought you caught that fish. No, no, I know. You would have to buy the hat to make it. That's a good call. That's one half of the hammer. Dad.

Feel Good Friday Cowboy. Right. AP Tone. Yeah, did you buy that? No, no. Well, you have to buy the hat and then catch the fish. I just just assumed you guys. So that once again, that's a real, that used to be a fish. You took it to a taxidermist. Yeah. Taxidermist, you know, haul that thing out. And I told him like, Hey, can we keep the side, the fins? Did you put any weights

or lures or extra filets inside of that trout? So it would weigh heavier like those dudes in Ohio did that are currently in jail. I think think. No no. Federal penitentiary. Yeah for federal penitentiary. I wasn't competing. Normally if I was competing I'd be a catch and release. You know this is just more so fun fishing which I do all the time. Yeah you're just like show me your fish. Yeah bingo.

Yeah that's one of the better fishing songs out there you know. I'll listen to Hootie as well just to get into the art is horribly known. Yeah, of course. I want in the blowies Hootie and the blowies, not just Hootie. No, no, no. They're the blowfish. Fish. Yeah. We're talking about that. Exactly. Exactly. But no, I wasn't listening to anything like that. This was just a little casual. Oh, so you were just out on Tuesday night. Bingo. Just hanging and banging away from the family. and banging. You know away from the family Yeah, exactly get away from the world. Yeah. Yeah, just going out there and angling a little bit I don't want screaming fish on solo, you know, that's how I like to relax. Ty you were a big ten angler

That's right. When do you get out? When you find time to get out and how come we don't have any fish hats from you Well, because you know if you're a real angler you ain't doing Mickey Mouse bullshit like this What you don't know what else you're not doing. You're certainly not baiting your hooks with hot dogs. That's because I'm old school. So that's because I'm old school. Sorry, Suvi. I'm an old school guy. Oh, did you use a rod or? I mean, look, for some of them, not for all. This was a rod catch,

but I mean, yeah, I was somebody gave me, you know, because throughout college game, they get out of South, you know, a lot of different places, experience a lot of different things. Somebody gave me, you know, because throughout college games, they get out of South, you know, a lot of different places, experience a lot of different things. Somebody gave me this fishing contraption that was just like basically a hand. They're just pouring it out of like their suitcase or out of their bag. And it's just like a handheld thing, like for a small little. I got one of those. Yep.

I'm sure you do. I got one. Yeah, that's a good little thing. That is more so the pond fishing. You know, I'll break out the hand if I'm going to a pond. This was a full rod. Were you on it? Did you have a boat?

You have a fishing boat? No, no, I like to stay on the shore. So you went to the lake and you fish on the shore? Well, I mean, it depends on where fish. Got it. Depends on where. I understand, yeah. Yeah, lakes all the time.

Yeah, you can fish. I mean, you got to find the peninsula of the lake. But I mean, look, the fish hole that I was looking up that I found on the internet It was within a cat. It did not require a boat or a kayak now. I don't I typically use a kayak I'm not a I'm not a boat guy. I don't need that I don't want all the fish you said know where I'm coming in from the other kayak. I can Yeah, I can disguise Those I can get into those tight holes, you know, that are in the corners sometimes.

We know you're able to get into real tight holes just by looking at the hat. Yeah, yeah. That's how I know that. I don't think I've seen those in a while. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, he's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner, I assume not an angler. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawke. Yeah, Hawke!

Hawke, you an angler? Yeah, you would assume right. I'm not an angler. I'm not scared to fish, but you know, I've sat on here. If I'm not catching anything in the first five to six minutes, it's going to be tough to keep me around. Some of the worst moments of our entire professional career, for me at least, was when we were out on Lake Minnetonka. We were ice fishing in a shed, and I didn't catch anything for two hours. And everybody literally was catching fish all around me.

Now it was cold out there. We walked past some wolves, I think, to get out to the hub that we were at in the middle of Lake Minnetonka. I was promised a fish. I pulled a swordfish out at the end. Yeah, huge. With about four and a half hours into this thing,

we were supposed to be there for about an hour and a half. I couldn't catch a fish. And it could have been worse, I guess. Remember Ty Schmidt was shitting in an outhouse that had no roof on the frozen Lake Minnetonka. Yeah, that was an awful night. An awful night. Not only that, we did a podcast from inside the thing

and went back to edit it when we got back and boy, all you could hear was the wind. So that was a lot of fun doing that yeah that that is something ice fishing more power to you if you like doing that because we did it like the the creme de la creme we had a little TV monitor exactly but but boy did that fucking suck and I will never do that again that is for sure ice fishing is a let's go drink 35 beers in a tent and catch a little baby fish every once in a while.

Yeah, in a shed on ice. Yeah. I've gone, I went ice fishing with my dad when I was growing up, Tim Big Angler. Tim's walking creeks, he's got the raiders, he's doing the entire, I mean, he's out there. Has no idea that there's potentially holes that he should maybe try to find where there's actual fish,

but he's gonna snoop around. You know, he's gonna cast around. He took us ice fishing and there was no shed or anything. It was just open lake, you know, open lake. And you know, you cut the fucking, you do the entire thing to cut the hole. And me and my brother and dad are all in the same hole there. I guess I got fed up with it.

I'm done with it. I head back to the car. I find a thin piece of ice. I go in, I go into lake into lake keep keys though for Tim's car up above because boy you lose keys you're in a real bad spot especially after you're in the lake. Tim back becomes sprinting across the lake grabs me like one-handed pulls me out gets me wrapped up in blankets toss me in the car turns it on everybody on the lake is worried coming over to check on me I look like the biggest asshole of all time.

So it's like me and ice fishing, I've gone twice. I've gone twice. That time and then the Minnaculki time. And it has been absolute failures both times. Fishing's not easy. That's why you need that Van Damris. Or you need to be able, whenever you catch a trout, you put it on a hat.

Yeah, when you lock eyes with that trout, you know if it's meant for a hat or not, and I just knew. Had no idea You're a bass fisherman as well. We got pictures of Connor in the weekend competing Con man, that's unbelievable. I didn't want to bring this up. Okay, but yeah hands. Yeah, I dominated this weekend It wasn't even close those guys with weights I wish they were were around still because I would kick their ass too but yeah it was good weekend I appreciate getting some Nitro ZS or Z5 in there one of my favorite brands and of course

you know as always I wouldn't be fishing without Bass Pro Shops go visit your local one today and naturally I was driving one of those beautiful whalers out on that deck And if we could also give a little love to my my favorite shades Mustard of course, I had a GoPro Over here bush light bush light course I had a GoPro on my stuff. Don't forget Bushlight. Bushlight. Bushlight, one of my favorite pints always and GoPro yes I will be releasing a series with them and naturally a quantum, quantum vision. Love working with them as well but yeah Toyota Corolla one of my, that's the vehicle I drive and that's the vehicle you should ride Yeah, absolutely and that Mercury boat is the one you think they only make Corolla

Go get yourself today. What am I they also make kayaks as I mentioned earlier? That's right And I believe this is actually Van Damme. This is the greatest of all time that we put your face on Well, that's why there's 30 sponsors That was me Van Damme his times done is my time. Okay Shout to you con man you out on the water your Aquaman day with that octopus. That's next right? There's Mr. Van Shot they Photoshop Van Damme on there

What's his name Kevin or Keith Kevin Kevin Kevin Van Damme? Legend he's invited me to go fishing a couple different times you should do that No, but I want to tell him like buddy. I'm not the guy What's his name, Kevin or Keith? Kevin. Kevin Van Dam. He's a legend. He's invited me to go fishing a couple different times. You should do that. No, but I want to tell him, like, buddy, I'm not the guy, pal. He is the guy, though. Six minutes with Van Dam, you're the guy. He's got some lee fitting in him.

He does have a little lee fitting. I see a little lee in there, a little handsome lee. No doubt. My thing is, like, this guy always pulls fish. Always. Yeah. I get out there on this guy's boat. No not with Van Dam. Those fish know I'm there. I don't know if they get smarter when I'm around. I don't know what the case is but getting out on Van Dam's boat will certainly be a dream come true. Yeah. And shout to Toyo to get us out there. I love Toyo and Mercury boats. Corollas. I was trying to

tell him while he was talking I'm like look at the I could I'm trying to look up there, but there's the fish head so fully loaded Corolla you got just big news Big news around the NFL not just in a fishing community in the NFL. There's some big news DK Metcalf has Announced to the world that he would like to be traded from the Seattle Seahawks Obviously a pillar of the Seahawks program for a while John Schneider the general manager of the Seattle Seahawks. Obviously a pillar of the Seahawks program for a while. John Schneider, the general manager of the Seattle Seahawks, the man who is being tasked with rebuilding the Seahawks in a new image of McDonald as the head coach the post-Pique Carro era, was on with local ESPN and this is what he had to say about DK Metcalfe's trade market. Everything's in a very cordial, you know professional place you know, obviously DJ's or DK has requested a trade and

We are you know entertaining that we are talking to a ton of teams taking offers seeing what that looks like and Yeah, here we go I mean, you know, you know, you always have to do the thing they understand here is that, you know, our responsibility to, you know, Jody Allen, you know, the 12s, you know, first and foremost is doing what's absolutely best for the organization. A, and then B, what's best for the player. Hopefully, you know, both those things merge and it's an ideal situation.

Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. Hopefully in this situation it does and that'll be great. But worst case scenario, I mean, we have an amazing, explosive, powerful athlete playing receiver for us again in 2025. So we'll see where this goes. Okay. So Schneider leaves the door open on the John Schneider show, brought to you by Pizza Hut out there on Seattle Sports Network. He alludes to maybe DK's back next year if we're not able to find a partner, but we are certainly fielding offers. And he did what most GMs will do is like, hey, my job is to make this team as good as possible to ownership to the fans. And if that involves moving on from DK, if we get a first rounder and a third rounder or we get a second rounder and a third rounder for DK and we think that's gonna make our team better we'll do that you know John Schneider pretty well right what do you think the takeaway

from what he just said was about DK I thought it was it was a very honest way to go about it yeah of course DK requested trade you can't sit there and claim that he did not but I think it's he does a good job to say, yeah, we're feuding calls, lots of calls, lots of offers all around the league. It's a good job negotiating. Obviously you want if a team comes out to get them, you want you want them to know that, hey, you're bidding against a bunch of different teams. So you better you better throw us some some good compensation if you want this guy such a stud player. But yeah, I mean, I guess there is a chance that he can,

he'd come back and still continue to play for the Seahawks. I think it feels like it's not like personal. They're not letting business get in the way with like personal feelings or whatever. They know DK, what he wants to go to a contender, he feels like they might not be there yet. And the Seahawks aren't really like taking it personally. It's kind of like a business situation.

I respect them for that. Yeah, that's what he's saying. Now there's a chance DK puts out a tweet of a baseball cap which has happened in the past whenever GM talks about a wide receiver situation just a few weeks ago T Higgins was the one to tweet that's cap everything he just said is a lie even though we're negotiating and yes to your point Schneider definitely wants people to think there's a lot of teams that are looking to get DK Metcalf want that to be the narrative even if there's only one team.

Even if there's no team, you would like that to be the narrative at this juncture, even though from what we know about GMs, if they hear that there's trouble, they're gonna call and snoop around. So is that what he's hearing, or is he hearing actual negotiations? I guess TBD on that front.

You know, Brandon Bean would be a guy that would be immediately on the horn to Seattle. As soon as you heard about him potentially, just from what we know, I'm not saying he's the only GM in the NFL that would do that. But from what he's actually told us, it's like, hey, I got guys monitoring stuff. We have people checking stuff. If somebody says they want to be traded, we will definitely call if it's somebody we're interested in and snoop around. I know Bean's not the

only one, but he has told us that. Could you imagine DK going to Buffalo? Now getting 30 million a year is gonna be tough. Getting 30 million a year is gonna be tough. But that would be on Bean and the Buffalo Bills to sell like, hey, we're not gonna be able to do that. But we definitely are able to, with what Shakira has become, with what Dalton Kincaid is, with what Josh Allen.

We have Josh Allen. We have Josh Allen. That's gotta be your biggest sales pitch right away. Like who wouldn't wanna go be a with what Josh Allen. We have Josh Allen. Yeah, we have Josh Allen. That's got to be your biggest sales pitch right away. Like who wouldn't want to go be a receiver for Josh Allen? And they just signed Bernard this morning. They just got a deal done. So they're in the middle of negotiating deals and figuring out what their salary cap is going to be.

So congrats to linebacker Tyrell Bernard on getting a deal. Four years, 50 million. And for the Buffalo Bills, Kyle Brandt broke that this morning live on Good Morning Football. Great insider stuff. Oh yeah. Out of Kyle Brandt. But being the guy that will call, he's not the only one. I don't think he's the only one that would certainly be snooping around. Yeah, I think I read this morning, Mike Garofalo reported that there have at least been five teams that he knows of that have already reached out to the Seahawks about DK. So it's tough to think that he would go back just because they might not get a first and a third, but if there are five teams that we know of potentially upwards of like 10 teams who are calling them, you would think that that, you know, someone is going to end

up getting closer to what they want in return. And then yeah, it'll just come down to is someone willing to give him $30 million a year? Now the bills would not be able to do it with their salary cap situation. Correct. They would have to do massive salary cap gymnastics but it's like if you're a team that feels like you're close you got to call DK and sell DK on like not gonna be able to give you 30 million a year. If he wants 30 million and to go to a contender obviously that widows away that is like guess who does he have a mustache? Sure.

They all kind of knock down there But with that being said can there is there a happy medium where he ends up with a contender Gets 25 22 and a half million a year. Is that what he's really looking for? Is he looking for the biggest check? I think we we still don't know any of that information Yeah, cuz the biggest check thing like he could just be wanting to be one of those top guys You know if he were to be offered $35 million, but maybe it is more of a rebuilt situation. Of course I'm talking about New England. Of course that is what I would want.

And you know, although it is known as Tacs, it's Houston's a few of those teams at the top. There are like LA, obviously we know the LA tax situation is brutal. They're one of those teams. He's in Washington now. He understands. Yeah. Oh, okay. The Washington taxes are terrible. I would just assume just my natural assumption is it's probably pretty

good up there. The taxes are probably pretty solid in Washington. Okay. We should look that up. But in my first thought is first first field, the state of Washington probably has pretty good taxes. Yeah. But aside from you know, with with that situation, maybe that is good then. But like you can probably take off the Cardinals. you can take off the Rams, Vikings with a quarterback situation, you know who knows and then you know aside from that like the Chargers and Commies when it just comes to strictly money and the opportunity to... What? I just got information Washington's maybe no income tax? Really? Never heard that. You're in Tennessee? So far out there, we don't hear people,

we hear people going to Florida and Texas, but yeah, I guess. Tennessee, Florida, Texas, you never hear. Nevada. Nevada, yeah, you never hear about Delaware. Income tax, zero percent, there is zero personal income tax in Washington. Holy shit, let's add Washington.

I apologize for my natural assumption being that Washington has massive taxes. Sales tax 9.38%, sales tax rate is 6.5% in some counties. Local sales tax up to 4.1%, I don't know. Wow. I did not expect that at all. At all.

Sorry about that Washington, I legitimately did not know that that was the case. And shout out. Yeah, shout out. Hey, shout out. Pretty cool. Yeah, that's very cool and we will certainly add you in there So yeah, I guess tax juice it's gonna have to do a pretty good little sell there

Yeah a few of them and I cuz I assume the DC area as well that that would be an assumption I have like their taxes must be an absolute commanders with DK Mac F Andy both and Terry. Yeah That's kind of seems like an embarrassment of riches. I don't know if they're gonna be 95 million They did just get rid of Alan today too So who knows but and they got rookie quarterback salary right now, which we talked about if you have a rookie quarterback contract You can build up a round. He's not gonna want money until probably after next year, right?

So you got at least a two-year run maybe after this season He wants to redo it, but I don't think the commanders would feel obligated to do as such, especially after second year quarterback, unless he just goes bananas and maybe they do reward him, which is what teams can and have done in the past. But they probably got two years here at least where they don't have a lot of money

at the quarterback position, which is quite a weapon whenever you're building a team. DK Terry Debo, and then Robinson running team. DK, Terry, Debo. And then Robinson running back. Yeah. Good luck. Brian Robinson. Another one that would be- And Zach Ertz still the tight end? Yep.

Or is he a free agent? I think he's got one year left, I believe. A cool team just looking at that board too, depending on who they have to pay still would be the Lions. Cause Lions have 51 mil. Who knows if they're going to pay Hutch right now because he's coming off an injury and the money is So absurd but a team like Detroit would be sweet and obviously Pittsburgh as well Tony

No Detroit style of play would welcome DK. I would imagine as well You see I've seen these clips going around the internet to of DK just toss blast and dudes all over the field They got 51.3. There's a free. There's a a little bit of room he is or it's a free I thought I saw his name on something the but they could probably get him back. I mean he had a great year Yeah, I would assume that he'd be happy to go back and play with Cliff for another year Yeah offense, he knows Jayden Daniels He knows also became like a leader feeling like I'm looking from outside in on that particular team Detroit Lions with fifty one point Three million dollars. What are you guys gonna do with it? I would absolutely love it because I don't think Tim Patrick has

been signed yet for the next coming year he'd be the perfect we'd have JMo, St. Brown and DK Metcalf. DK loves the block he'd fit in there perfectly I personally don't think they will do it I think they're gonna focus on the defensive side and focus on getting their guys that they already have paid just like they did with Derek Barnes. How about we just mention the Vikings. Imagine the Vikings with Justin Jefferson and DK Metcalf and Jordan Addison. I mean these are the teams that have just a shitload of money right now where we're sitting and now granted Vikings need to pay a quarterback potentially. Yeah. I know there's a lot of names being rumored back to the Vikings as a veteran quarterback

unless JJ McCarthy. Yeah, he's just the guy. Kirk Herbstreet said the other day on the show team's gonna get better with JJ McCarthy as quarterback They won 14 and 3 last year. Yeah Said I only gonna get better. Yeah, he said no, they might not win as many games, but whatever Whenever the time comes JJ shows up is what Kirk Herbstreet said. He's not the only one. I think Herbstreet sent me somebody else saying something like very Overwhelmingly positive about JJ McCarthy. Yes.

I forget who it was. I do not think we could find that statement from the original source. Okay, that's how it all came about. He got a Cocknard potentially. It was Brady. Yeah, oh yeah. It feels like I'm talking to myself. Yeah, yeah. Hermy said that over. I'm not the only one who likes JJ, but it does feel like there is a lot of positive convo around JJ. Is that because the Vikings are ready to go with him and they need it to be positive around him Or is it because you know?

That team should go So like whoever's that quarterback position is very important They're talking about if Sam Dono doesn't go there. Maybe Sam Dono there's rumors of him going to Pittsburgh Yeah Maybe I said maybe Kirk Cousins goes back to Minnesota on a cheap deal because he's getting paid by Atlanta. What if Aaron Rodgers goes to Minnesota on a one year deal to lead J.J. McCrory?

They got something small. The world is literally seemingly wide open at the quarterback position for the Minnesota Vikings. And I think they got a lot of great opportunity to be great. Joining us now is a man who has opinions, a man who studies the NFL, studies all the draft prospects. He's got done with a four day combine where he talked about every single player that is potentially going to be a Hall of Famer and every single player that's potentially going to be a bus and every single player that is

potentially going to be insurance salesman. Ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Jeremiah. How you doing DJ? I'm doing great. AJ's face when you said that I correctly identified all the Hall of Famers was pretty fantastic by the way. Well yeah he probably thinks that nobody can do that but if anybody could it would be you. You were the one that Tone quoted as saying maybe Kirk or Sam Darnold to Pittsburgh or Kirk to... He said both on the 40s and free agency show I believe it was I was listening to it this morning he said you know if the Steelers don't sign Justin Fields and Sam Darnold doesn't go back to the Vikings Sam Darnold to the

Steelers and then he was the first one and you know talk about Kirk potentially back to the Vikings. Which would be insane especially after he goes and gets his bag the Vikings didn't want to pay him allegedly because they had to pay Justin Jefferson everybody else then he's able to go back to the offense that he knows has done very well and he also got paid and the Vikings don't have to be the one that would be the best case scenario for the Vikings. I feel like in their mind with the Kirk Cousins situations, how do you see it working out, especially after the combine with the QBs?

Yeah, I think the quarterback carousel is fascinating. You know, let's start with Pittsburgh there, Pat. I, I just feel like the Pittsburgh Steelers, when we get to Monday, when this whole thing kicks off, that they have to have either Justin Fields or Sam Darnold in the fold. To me, those are the two guys that make the most sense for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Now, whatever way they go, we'd have to wait and see. And then with Sam in Minnesota, you know, I think it's tricky because it makes sense for, obviously, the year he's coming off of, Minnesota try and bring him back.

But I don't know how long the commitment would be. So if, if everything's equal, if you have Minnesota with a one year offer and say it's Pittsburgh and whoever else is in the mix there, if it's all one year, even for less money, I think you stay in Minnesota. If you're, if you're sitting there as Sam Darnold, but if one of these teams is wanting to commit to you longer than that, I think you have to take it. And then it leaves Minnesota with, I think people misinterpreted the Cousins thing.

Like, why would you bring back Kirk and then not let JJ go? No, JJ is gonna be the starter, but you have to have some veteran insurance there. First of all, the guy needs to stay healthy. And with Kirk Cousins, I just thought it was a unique opportunity of somebody who, as you guys were mentioning, knows the offense inside and out.

Atlanta's foot in the bill, so it's gonna cost you next to nothing. He can literally play for the league minimum like Russell Wilson did last year. So that's why I thought that was a fascinating one. And some people thought that shadow maybe would be too big for JJ. But Pat, you go to me on that one. Anybody that's met Kirk Cousins or been around Kirk Cousins, that's not really who he is. I don't think that would be the case at all.

He had a lot of success in Minnesota. Would he want to go from, you know, being a backup to Michael Pennex Jr. to a backup to JJ McCarthy? Kirk Cousins would have to have that discussion because who knows what the market looks like for Kirk Cousins. And aren't people saying that maybe he's back with Atlanta

as the backup quarterback for Pennex Jr. Anyways, you're saying no from what you're hearing. Yeah. I mean, I know that's, that's been out there, but that's in the, the Falcon's best interest to put that out there. Hey, no, we're comfortable. Nope. We're not going to cut them.

We're going to, we're going to hold onto them. Uh, so if you want them, you got to trade for them and then you're going to have to eat some of this money. So that, I don't really read too much into what's coming out of Atlanta on that point. Okay. So on that note, let's assume Kirk is available. There's probably some teams like, what about the Raiders? You know, what about the Raiders that potentially would like a Kirk Cousins?

You know, maybe Tom Brady says, you know, Kirk has played a lot of winning ball. He's obviously very quick at learning things. He's fast, he's smart. And even if we get a young guy, watch Kirk work for like a year or two, Kirk is another like stopgap quarterback almost and he can maybe win some games Kirk will win you some games now are they gonna be able to win Super Bowl who knows but I'm excited to see who ends up where what about Aaron Rodgers for the Minnesota Vikings what about Aaron Rodgers from

Minnesota Vikings Kevin O'Connell Justin Jefferson Jordan Addison would only be a one-year deal we assume so JJ McCarthy gets to watch gets to see how Aaron would operate you know for one year it's not a long term investment. I don't know if Aaron's looking for a two, three year investment. AJ Hawk would be the one to be able to give that type of information. But as you think about the Brett Favre path here, it's like you go to the Jets, doesn't work out. You over to Minnesota, it did though.

Big time. And especially now, it looks like it could work out, especially if you're an accurate quarterback who knows where the hell to go with the ball that is seemingly what matters in a Kevin O'Connell offense DJ well can you can you just just repeat it and say it again with Minnesota and Aaron Rodgers I wasn't looking at AJ I want to look at AJ's reaction and to see if I'm a good poker player if I can read it and get a good feel for whether what this looks like AJ all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers I think he would be okay with Aaron get a good feel for whether what this looks like AJ all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers

I think he would be okay with air and finding a good hole, right? AJ isn't that kind of how you would view that but Packers fans would not be thrilled obviously Yeah, no I mean the far thing was one thing because he played with the Jets and you just didn't and then obviously he came in and kind Of beat the Packers ass when he was with the Vikings, but this one would just be I mean, I lived it once I don't need to live it again. And this Vikings team, kind of like that Vikings team with Favre, like there's a chance they could,

if he plays the way he did at the end of last season, yeah, they could win a Super Bowl with him, which would be just the worst thing ever. And could you fathom Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, TJ Hawkinson, Devontae Adams, Aaron Jones back. Yeah, that would be bad. Jordy Nelson coming off the farm. He would never. and T.J. Hawkinson, Devontae Adams, Aaron Jones back. That would be bad. Jordy Nelson coming off the farm.

He would never. AJ, what are your thoughts on all of it? Obviously speculation and who knows how much you know, legitimately who knows how much you know from that side of it, but these are all potentially possible right now with this current quarterback carousel, AJ. Yeah, I guess they are.

Like Minnesota seems weird for me for that to happen. I feel like with JJ McCarthy, why would you want Aaron in there? I feel like you want JJ to come back and start and have like a maybe a vet backup that would you know, you would feel good about it. JJ has a hiccup. You had to help him out. Aaron is going to come in and be a starter wherever he goes. I would imagine that's what he plans on doing.

But DJ, like where do you think is actually a good fit for Aaron? Like coach wise, schematically? Where do you think you like are legit possibilities? Well, I mean the one that was number one on the list was was the Rams until Stafford and that got all worked out That was the one that made the most sense Giants going hard on him DJ. We heard yesterday That's it was telling us art Stapleton said they're negotiating right now. He coveredants. I have not heard the Giants connected with any of the veteran quarterbacks other than Aaron Rodgers. And for a team that

feels like when you look at the situation there, with coach and general manager, like this, there's some urgency here, we need to get ready to go, we need to win right now. So who's the win right now quarterback? It's Aaron Rodgers. So that one, to me, seems like there should be some urgency on their part. I know I felt like with the Giants if they had two tracks they either trade up to one to shoot to get cam ward and Ensure that they have cam ward and then maybe they shop in, you know

Kind of that that second tier veteran backup market for just some insurance there for cam to kind of help him Maybe buy him a little bit of time. But if they don't have a deal done as we go into free agency, then to me it's like they got a, I mean, I don't know who else is in on Aaron Rodgers, but it would seem to reason that nobody should outbid the Giants. They would have the most to gain there. Allegedly the offer they made to Stafford was very big and the comp for the Rams was worthy of a trade in less needs eyes and Sean McVeigh's eyes. And then Matthew Stafford met with them on Friday morning of the combine and decided he was going to stay with the Rams.

Sean McVeigh has described that deal as being very selfless. So we don't know the actual numbers, but we think it's going to be a lot less than what the Giants were offering. That's kind of seemingly how the story was going. Would Dayball and he'd be a good fit you think Yeah, I think so You know I look they've got some good pieces in place that they need to get a couple more offensive linemen I mean obviously with with Saquon leaving it, you know, everybody's gonna focus on that But you know Tyrone Tracy is nowhere near Saquon Barkley, but he's a good player

Like he's a good back neighbors is a legit number one wide receiver with New York So they've got a couple interesting pieces in place and nothing to be active here Barkley, but he's a good player. Like he's a good back neighbors is a legit number one wide receiver with New York. Um, so they've got a couple of interesting pieces in place and, and nothing to be active here, upcoming and free agency. I just, all these teams have money. And to me, I think you're going to see, you know, a lot of them are actually going to be kind of patient and wait for the second wave. The giants to me would be one of those teams that would serve to be a little bit aggressive here, come out to shoot and get something done.

Yeah, come on Giants. You know, because last offseason we saw, you know, this offseason let's do something different. Yeah, exactly. Good luck out there. We're pulling for you. Stick with the quarterbacks, especially with the veteran ones. The conversation that's looming with all the vets. These young guys trying to make a name for themselves.

Connor, Aquaman has a question for you. Yeah, DJ, it feels like those top five picks are huge Especially those first three just kind of shaping the rest of the draft and kind of free agency Do you see two quarterbacks going in the top five picks? you mentioned the Giants trading up there and From reports that we've heard the Browns are definitely taking a quarterback and we saw Mary Kay Cabot report that you know They love Chador that one man's brash is another's treasure is what was in the article she wrote about how they feel about Shador do you see the Giants and Browns

definitely going quarterback here do you think that's possible and then is are the Titans definitely not taking a quarterback is that completely out of the question there's no way they're taking a QB. They're definitely going to roll with Levis for another year or sign one in free agency. I would say up in the air on the first pick with the Titans. I wouldn't rule out Cam Ward there. I think that's still a legitimate possibility. The interesting thing would be if Rodgers gets done with the Giants. If Rodgers gets done with the Giants and you're in a kind of a all in right now, we need to win to, you know, survive, so to speak. To me, if you're sitting there and Travis Hunter's there and you're the

Giants and I've got a chance to have Aaron Rogers and I can go out on one side with Malik neighbors and maybe, you know, the first year, maybe we want Travis Hunter to just, you know, kind of focus more on offense. Man, that's, that changes that offense real quick. And they become very interesting and very exciting. So that might pull the Giants out of the quarterback market, even at Aaron's age. I just think there's an urgency there. So that one is TBD.

The Browns I've been saying all along made the most sense as a team that needed to take a quarterback. Now talking to people around the league, there's some that say, okay, yeah, no, they're going to take a quarterback, but I wouldn't necessarily make it a lock that they're going to do with their first pick. They've done their homework on the second tier quarterbacks as well. So don't, don't rule that out. On who? On who Daniel Jeremiah? Cause I read a Kurt Warner tweet. I don't know if you guys saw this. Kurt Warner, poor out tweet. He's watching all the film while the guys. Okay. As you know, Kurt Warner, Warner he does all his work he's due diligent to a tee in everything that he does

talking ball. Been watching last four games for top NFL draft QB's and Will Howard had the best four game stretch of any quarterback I've watched so far and it really wasn't even that close. Great throws, consistent accuracy, downfield throws, good reads, multiple concepts, etc, etc Etc. He continued to go on with etc If he could he ran out of characters in that entire thing and he saw the same four games that we saw live in person Which is why I felt the way I did going in the club. He had a bad day, huh throwing its combine DJ That's what they're saying. He had a bad day out there. What's the takeaway? Will Howard and is Jackson Dart solidified as the number three Cubeno? Well, first of all, Kurt sent me that text. I was going back

through it to pull it. Yeah. Cause he knew, he knew Will Howard going back to K state cause his kid played with him at Kansas state. So he's known, he's known about will for a long time. Um, but yeah, look, I've, I agree with you in terms of that four game stretch. It was, uh, you know, it was, you know, a really nice run. Maybe. You agree with Hall of Famer, Kurt Warner. You agree with Hall of Famer, Kurt Warner, you mean? I'm sorry, not just me.

Yeah, no, but I mean, you gotta, you gotta do more than just. Ball Noah, Ball Noah. Former Iowa, Barnstormer. Kurt Warner, Hall of, you name it. Moose Star. Guy knows the, guy knows Ball. You agree with Kurt Warner and myself. America's underdog.

And many others, I'm sorry, go ahead. He is America's underdog any other so I'm sorry good he is America's underdog he's you know look the thing with the thing when you look at him and Will Howard is just you know do you have you know can you drive the ball do you have enough just pure velocity and and can you fit balls and windows that you didn't necessarily have to do much of there at Ohio State that was the question the combine look paddy he didn't throw it great there. I don't, I don't, I think you can help yourself with the combine and the throwing. I don't necessarily ever punish anybody for what you see in the throwing.

Us neither. We like that. It's just, it's, you know, come on, you're throwing to guys you don't know. It's a weird, it's a weird atmosphere. So I don't, I don't hold that against him. You get a chance at his pro day to throw to guys he knows and he's familiar with. I think you'll see him throw it better. I think he's in that conversation for the third, fourth quarterback. The names you hear the most. I have Jackson Darters the third. Tyler Shuck is in that conversation with a lot of teams who are high on him. And then there's Will Howard. If you're looking for a place for Will Howard, it's

pretty easy dots to connect if the Raiders aren't super active in addressing the veteran side of things and they just get a stop back quarterback, who knows Will Howard better than Chip Kelly? So why would that not be an opportunity for him somewhere on day two to land with a coach that he's very familiar with? They have no quarterback in Las Vegas currently, although Max Crosby has come out and said, we love Aaron Rodgers as a Las Vegas Raider, which adds a whole nother, because maybe while he does come in behind Aaron Rodgers, there's just like so many situations where it sounds like signing the veteran free agent doesn't necessarily change the mindset of the team trying to get a young quarterback.

And you know who's been doing this consistently? The Green Bay Packers. Yeah. Yeah. You know like it is it's almost just like a yeah this is what you need to do with the current motto of NFL that we're in right now. Well you know what we need though? That's what we need though guys. Sorry. Sorry Boston. Connor we got to get we got to get a deal that we don't even know about. We we are talking about the same names right the veteran names the draft names we've been talking about them forever. We need, the NFL needs to come through for us early next week and we need a quarterback trade that just, just shakes the whole thing up.

Luca to the Lakers. Yeah. Yeah. I'll take that. I don't know that we're going to get to Luca level, but who's like a mid-tier, like 12 and 12 and six game. Maybe there's big names on the potential trademark and might not be a quarterback, but Tone has a question for you. Yeah, DJ, I wanted to ask about the Chargers since you cover them you do their play by play You know, it feels like we were talking about like they they could be a wide receiver away from from a deep playoff run Obviously they hit on lad mcconkey last year. They have Quinton as well in there like Is a guy like DK do you see them potentially, is a guy like DK, do you see them potentially

going after a guy like DK or Devante who said he's wanted to play out on the West Coast? Do you see them making a big splash in the wide receiver market, this free agency? Those are interesting names. And Godwin would be another kind of veteran that's out there that would really help. To me, if you're looking for the complimentary piece,

like DK would be, he fits because of the, he's like a jumbo sized Mike Williams who Herbert had a ton of success with with the big physical wide receiver on the outside would compliment Lad McConkey a lot. I also think you can look at Devontae Adams, you know, Devontae Adams skill set wise, like the way he plays is similar to the way Keenan Allen functioned with Herbert and Keenan Allen's numbers when he was with the Chargers were off the charts. So that one would make some sense as well. So I think they'll, Joe Ortiz loved draft picks and I was with him and worked with him in Baltimore

and have known him forever. I know he is a, he's a big fan of holding onto his picks. So that would be the one thing on the DK side of it that, you know, depending on how much that costs in terms of draft picks, now maybe that pushes him towards one of these other free agents that you can go out there and just pay. I do wonder where DK is going to head to. Where's Miles Garrett going to end up? There's some big names. Everybody's saying, DK to New England, man.

Everybody in the league thinks that. I like that. I like that DJ keeps spinning that wheel. What do you mean in the league? What do you mean? You're getting texts from people around the league saying, yeah, DK comes available. You just talk to a bunch of buddies around the league and they're like, it, that just makes too much sense.

They have all the money, they have all the space, they have no weapons. The high second round pick. What are they picking? Like 38, something like that. Yeah. And they got two thirds. DK Metcalf. Boom.

Second and third, two thirds, $35 million. Get your ass over here. You can't spell Metcalf without May. Boom. You can't spell Metcalfe without May. Boom. You can't spell Metcalfe without May. Yeah, there's a Y in there. There's a Y in there. But the quote of Vrabel saying, we got compensation, we got opportunity up here. And he's trying to shift that culture. You get DK in there, bought into, not a bad person for Drake May to be able to talk. What if Drake May, like if you're the Patriots and I think that they would have competition

here from the Chiefs because of the moves that the Chiefs made, the Chiefs now have a hole at left guard, left tackle. Ronnie Stanley makes a ton of sense for the Chiefs to kind of be aggressive in free agency. I would also say New England should be at least having the Ronnie Stanley conversation. You go out in the first week and you give Drake May a left tackle and a number one wide receiver, now we're cooking. Yeah, Ronnie Stanley is reportedly the number one free agent target for the-

Who's saying that? Stutz and Putz? I don't know about Stutz and Putz, but I do know that there are people in the area in the know that are saying Stanley is the top guy for them and then a couple other names, of course. One of them up there said something terrible about me. Josh Pate went to bad for me. Appreciate you, Josh. Appreciate you, Pate. Let's get back to some college conversation. Ty Schmitt has a question

for you. Yeah, DJ, you put out your top 50 again today and there was actually quite a bit of movement post-Combine. Is that more so guys that didn't perform well at the combine or is that guys who performed very well and just by happenstance other guys fell? And how much is that going to actually change by the time the draft gets here? I think that's a great question, Ty. I think there's a bunch of clumps in this draft.

If you look at different points in the top 50, I have the receiver clump I think all three of those guys are evenly graded for me. You've got Matthew Golden. You've got TMAC at Arizona You got a book at Ohio State. They're all slightly different. I gave them the exact same grade So at this point time, I'm like, you know, I'm gonna clump them together I've got a lot of time between now and the draft now I can just do a project where I'm just gonna watch those three guys one after another Go watch him against press go through all those different cut-ups you can and try and figure those three out. So it's kind of put those clumps together.

We've got the edge rushers, Mike Green, James Pierce, you got Izoraku from Boston College. Those guys are all kind of similarly graded. So you're kind of identifying these little clumps, but guys that moved up, you know, give you a couple examples. You look at Max Harrison from Kentucky. We talked about the fact he was gonna run really well, which he did. So that wasn't a surprise. That's not why he moved up.

My thing was the tackling was a little bit inconsistent. When you're at the combine, I got more information on him and talking to teams that had visited with him and medical stuff. And're like, dude, he was playing with a messed up shoulder. So that's why the tackling wasn't as good. So I'm like, okay, I can forgive that and move him up a little bit. Trey Amos, the corner from Ole Miss. I loved everything about him except the LSU game. I thought they kind of ran away from him a little bit and it caused me to question his pure you know, pure top end speed.

Everything else is really good fluid, instinctive, can play the ball. I think he goes and runs four, four, three. So I'm like, okay, well that, that answered the question I had on him. So he moves up a little bit. So that's just kind of a look into the process. And sometimes you see a guy slide two or three spots and people like, what the heck did he do? Why did he fall?

I'm like, he didn't fall. There's a couple of guys behind him that answered some questions and ended up moving ahead of him. So that's what it is. Your top 50 prospects are based on these are the best 50 or this is how you think they'll go. Just mine, just how I rank them, how I stack them. So nothing to go with where, you know, how high they'll go. I have two tight ends in the top six players in the draft.

Those are two of the highest graded players in the draft. Now, I don't think when it's all said and done, they're both going to go there in the top six, but for me I think they're the two of the six best players. So you got Tyler Warren up there? Oh yeah, yeah Tyler Warren's way up there and then I have Loveland right behind him. Loveland is going to be cleared for action I do believe. I think he has a pro day or something like that. Some doctor came out and said that was like a big deal this year for the combine. This doctor has sent a note to all the teams letting him know he's not healthy enough to compete at the combine. Although he'd want to, uh, he will be back at a later date that felt more prevalent this year than ever

before. Lovell and a dog, Tyler Warren, a dog, a Royal right down in Miami. Then there's a Western Kentucky guy, bowling green guy. Yeah. Fannin. Yeah. So this tight end position is becoming more prevalent. You think as the years go on or just this class? This is a really good class. It's as deep of a class Mason Taylor is gonna be a stud. Oh that hey that Gauntlet drill that's so smooth. He didn't vary off the line. You literally he just drew a perfect line, right? Right? That's like teach tape, right? Like hey, this is how the drill is run and I saw 25 miles an hour at one point I think that was maybe the ball that came in.

Yeah, I was picking that up. But nonetheless, he was still like 20, tight end, 19, 20 miles an hour while just poomp, poomp, poomp. So my uncle's growing up, Pat. My uncle's growing up. One of them was a pastor. One of them was- God bless him. Drove a cab, right? His uncle, his dad, Jason Taylor's uncle, Zach Thomas. So I think like there's a little bit different upbringing in terms of the football side of things there. Yeah, but what you did at App State, we'll never forget.

We'll never forget up there on the rock, I do believe is the way it is described. Back to the NFL. AJ has a question for you. Yeah. Quasi NFL thing, DJ, we popped those quarterbacks up there and they're gonna be throwing in it got me thinking of these pro days that are coming up. Okay. Is there a chance any of these young quarterbacks go to these pro days and something happens and someone jumps up the board or so a team falls in love with maybe a guy other than Cam Ward,

Shadur, I know Jackson Dart is up there is anyone on this list you think someone could fall in love with after their pro days and can you actually gain something when you go and you watch a guy throw at his pro day? Yeah, I would say more the private workout. So if you're a team that's in the quarterback market, you'll go to the pro day, you'll watch him throw there, but you're going to see more impact based off of a private workout. We're going to ask you to run, throw the routes that we like to feature in our offense. Maybe there's some holes in your game that we have questions about So in our workout with you

We're gonna put you through the paces and see if you can fill those gaps and when that happens That's when you see teams fall in love with them and to be honest Usually when you have those private workouts, they're accompanied by a dinner. You're spending more time around the guy You just get more comfortable with them and kind of you know what he's all about So yeah the guy. You just get more comfortable with him and kind of, you know, what he's all about. So, yeah, I think you can absolutely fall in love with a quarterback from here towards we get to the draft. I think there's, there's absolutely a chance that happens. Kyle McCord, by the way, we didn't mention him. He threw it well. He threw it really well in Indy. And, you know, I kind of gave me like Derek Carr vibes coming out of Fresno State. And, you know, Derek started a long time in this

league. So he'll, he'll have some sponsors. Yeah, Kyle McCord, a lot of football. He's played a lot of football. That's a big stat, I think, especially here in Indianapolis, people are starting to respect a lot more. You know, like- Dude, experience, man. You're not, it's tough to develop these guys in the NFL. So the more experience, that's just more opportunity, not only on the game field, but on the practice field, you're seeing different coverages, you're making different throws like that. Those reps just stack up. And responding not only on the field to different things happening, but in life, and as a teammate and as a leader, like knowing how to respond to situations or how not to respond to situations

because you've done it in the past or you've experienced all those, there's a lot of things happening for the first time with Anthony Richardson like first time this happens first time you actually take a big-time shot from an adult okay first time ever taking one of those and then he feel that for the first time how do you respond you know tapping out making an ass of yourself basically you know tapping out because you're tired how do you respond to that being a professional being a teammate first time how do you respond to that so it's like he didn't have a lot of football so he didn't have a lot of like learning curve.

Obviously now we're hoping we're getting to the point where he can start kind of cracking into his potential because obviously he can be a superstar. But these guys that are having success, a lot of football. Lot, a lot, a lot. Jayden Daniels, a lot of football. Cam Ward, a lot of football. All of them have experienced multiple places too now.

Right, so I think that kind of helps. CJ Stroud, I guess only Ohio State Buckeye, but he played a lot of football. It's like Cam Ward, Shador, lot of ball. Do you know Gabriel? Jackson Dart, lot of ball. Dylan Gabriel, lot of ball. Kyle McCord, lot of ball.

Quinn Uers, a lot of ball. It's like Jalen Milrow obviously played a lot of ball. It's like, there's a lot of ball on these guys. Even though I guess the high top end conversation about a majority of these guys isn't there. It's like a lot of experience, a lot of success on these guys, even though I guess the high top end conversation about a majority of these guys isn't there. It's like a lot of experience, a lot of success, which I think is good. And they've been through it. I think the most important point is they've been through some adversity. You know, like that was always, and I was in Baltimore, that was Ozzy Newsom's first question to every player that came through.

It was give me an example of some adversity you've been through and tell me how you got through it and got on the other side of it. And like Bo Nicks should be the poster child for that. Like he got run out of the state of Alabama. I mean, you know, the grief that he took from his time at Auburn. And then he gets on the other side of that, goes to Oregon and, and takes off like a rocket ship, man. So that shows you somebody that's, that's dealt with real adversity is overcoming. And the NFL that day is coming for everybody where you're going to have those moments.

So how do you respond to it? I think a lot of guys that have failed, not just at the quarterback position, but at other positions, man, they're a five-star kid all the way going up through high school. They're highly recruited. They don't know how to really have any struggle in the college field. They're playing against guys they're always better than each and every week. And then all of a sudden some adversity hits and it's like, they don't know. It's like, it's like a shock to them.

They don't know how to handle it. Yeah. And then the ability just to transfer anytime something maybe is mean said to you you know that adds into the whole by the way if you're a high school player or in transfer portal or want to get in the transfer portal we're looking for dogs at West Virginia okay there you go we are looking for dogs at West Virginia just just know West Virginia open this next spring transfer We're just selling opportunity at upstate baby. You go get your money elsewhere. We're about opportunity at our place Come on, it's in sins up there. I think yes. He is how about that put that on the sales pitch

You want to get coached by somebody who's coached Peyton Manning and Tom Brady come on up the hill and Andrew Luck I mean you're talking about like that is that is a weapon. He was at North Carolina obviously, alongside Drake Maine. He said, he said Drake's the guy right, right. You pass on Drake, you pass on a Hall of Famer. He was right. This guy's smart. Athletic. He's fast. Fast. Good kid. Have you ever had these little Trump in there? Have you? Have you seen? Have you ever heard anybody say anything bad about coach by the way, ever in your entire life? Like the best human being? He owed me five bucks for a couple weeks

There were some terrible things that doesn't pay his debt. No, no, he does fast pay fast friends, right? Right? That's his kind of That's kind of his mo. So He I was on his board for a while because he would have a putter And then obviously have uh, like a hole in his office. So you'd walk by, hey, you know, like you're walking past a game show and he'd be like two putts, two putts. He's thinking, go out in the hallway, I'm rolling it into his office, see if he can make it.

And it'd be five peanut M&Ms, wouldn't be actual money, of course. And if you missed it, you go on the board. And then the next day, if you walk by, it goes, still on the board, you know, it's like a reminder, you know, and I'd been up there for a little bit. I've been up there. He's a legend man. Great coach. Great man He's a good man. Good man. He was him and Frank Reich were my quarterback coaches. So about that I've learned that couple legends. Oh Frank Reich. I don't know how that all ended with him. I hope he's a

Golfing I hope he's okay. I genuinely hope he's okay If there's anybody, you know, it's gonna come back. It's Frank Reich Two biggest comebacks one in college one in the NFL. There you go. What a legend. All right We appreciate you DJ. Enjoy the trip congrats on On 25 years quarter of a century is a long time in love brother Appreciate you man. Appreciate your friendship. Appreciate you guys. Good to see you. Happy anniversary DJ. And thank you Daniel Jeremiah. Happy anniversary! 25 years he and his bride. That's awesome. Congratulations.

That's a long time. Long time. That's love. He's a pro. He's a true pro. Yeah he knows. I was wondering about his pool HP because against Ole Miss you know there's there's people pulling away from him. It's like damn DJ how much he he when he gets to the combine he is excited to unload All of the information he has watched 300 some guys games. I don't know if he has an excel spreadsheet or whatever So I was listening to his podcast and they they talked about a guy. He was like what draft is that 2021? He's like and then he pulled him up real quick and he had he had like three Quick hitters what she does on the draft about that player and like what the prospect is

He has so much information on every single Yeah, so I got to sit next to him, you know, whenever I'm doing the combine and he does he does have like He has like little code things too because he can't have it all so there'll be like Like a letter and that'll mean something and then it'll be a comma and there'll be something else and there'll be something else color Yeah, it's like it's pretty wild because it's all like it's pretty because there's so many so it can't be like something that's too big so it's just like one line with the person and one line with the person and the person will go and he would like little you see him and he'd be like oh yeah yeah and then he would say this guy and he would get right into it it's

like 300 dudes and so many. New every year new guy always turning out new dudes too you gotta gotta go man I don't it just seems like overwhelming to think of to be that have that job and then as he's watching them film He's like this guy's got no shot, but gotta know Yeah, because there's a chance he's gonna get drafted so I have to be in in the middle of it We're very appreciative of Daniel Jeremiah Showcasing his intelligence with us every single year Legitimately, he also called Houston Texans his intelligence with us every single year legitimately. He also called Houston Texans going back to back two, three

with CJ Stroud and Will Anderson before anybody else. A lot of people said, okay, we're just throwing shit at the wall these days. And he then ended up working out that way and we forever said, DJ knows. That was his shit. Schrags does too. Schragger, yeah, right before his last mock draft,

he releases the week of the draft is typically Very spot on 20 like 20 to 30 correct things in there. Yeah, cuz he's just he's talking everybody What are you doing? What are you doing? Okay? And he puts out like day before yeah, it's right before it might even be morning up. I forget You know what the draft is good time is it so great story line? I love it with these veteran quarter, Aaron Rodgers with the Vikings. Holy shit. Excuse me?

Yeah. Seems crazy, right? Huh. Whoa, what was that? Oh, you tell me, Edge. Whoa. You tell me, bud. I don't know, I wish I did.

I don't know anything. I don't think anybody knows anything. What are you thinking about ice fishing on Minnetonka, huh? With your friend Aaron this year? We shall see. Getting a big old swordfish like you had, that monster you pulled out. Amen. Amen. Thank you. We're all there. It was an honor to be part of. Six ounces. We'll be back on Monday. Great show coming on Monday. Holy shit. Have a phenomenal weekend.

Hour three will be on the digital version. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. Goodbye. I think we hit it. I think we hit it. Yeah you did. Mascot Week continues. The Tennessee Titans are releasing pass rusher Harold Landry III. Great player. Pro source. I just saw Connor celebrate, so he's hoping that he goes up to the New England Patriots,

it sounds like. Yeah, I don't even have to hope. This is a Vrabel guy through and through. He will be living in New England this year, boys. That is interesting to think that Vrabel kind of built that place down there at this moment. And they're going through a turnover and Transition into what they want the Callahan team to look like so a lot of those guys right variable knows a lot about oh

Yeah, everything about and Landry's one of those guys to a tee. I believe his best years were with variable I'm not sure if he got his contract during variables last year. I believe he thought yeah, I thought he did he was drafted during variables last year I thought yeah I thought he did he was drafted during the variable era so it does feel like that is an easy over over 36 last three years okay pretty good that's like the very similar to how you know DK to the Raiders is becoming a thing because of Pete Carroll this when he first was granted like his ability to seek a trade immediately it was a New situation, but him getting released is even better for the Patriots All right. Well, uh, hopefully your Patriots get better

But also they better maybe somebody else will drive up the price So that compensation and opportunity thing get whittled away a little bit whittled away I don't think that's what that salary cap back up. Look at how much money the Patriots have crazy. This is a Culture changing amount of cash in one off season. Yeah, especially the variable coming in there 126 million 125 7 Available. Yeah, and then you look down and like the Saints negative 38 million available So they're gonna have to do salary cap gymnastics yet again. This is the annual New Orleans Saints operation We got to figure out how to become cap compliant. They'll redo contracts. They'll cut people. They'll do this is the annual New Orleans Saints operation. We gotta figure out how to become cap compliant.

They'll redo contracts, they'll cut people, they'll do, this is New Orleans Saints football. They chew loudly in the microphones with their gum. And then they're always behind the eight ball whenever it comes to the salary cap. That's because they've gone all in a few different times, even though they haven't been able to win. The bill's in a situation.

You look at the Falcons, look at the Texans, and then look at the New England Patriots with a great pick and a lot of money. We got compensation and opportunity says Mike Vrabel. Yeah, there's like a real world because granted the commies have to do the Debo Samuel deal and then that might be a little less. There's a world where if T Higgins were to be available

that the Patriots could pay T Higgins and still have the most calf space. So it really is one of those things where if You can get over the fact that it is gonna have to be this new era turn around You know come here win some football games versus like right away going into the preseason knowing, you know You're competing for a Super Bowl I still think there's a chance because of Ravel because of the guys in the pieces just some of those premier positions You know left tackle pass rusher Why did I have to get the Eagles. The Eagles are gonna be a tough

team to catch. We talk about the Chiefs, we talk about the Chiefs for the last few years like, can you beat the Chiefs? Now the conversation has shifted to can you beat the Eagles? And it's like, that's what everybody's hoping for. Vrabel has a style of football that might be able to at least keep it close and get a win in the fourth quarter. That's why I think if you're one of these teams in the NFC who's not in just like a terrible position, like you have to be a spender. You have to go out and try to get like the Packers, like not something they typically do but they have more money this year than they ever have.

Like they should check in on trading for Trey Hendrickson, you know, like they should try to get DK Metcalf because we know how good the Eagles are. Like you can't just stand Pat and expect like, hey, what we did last year is gonna be good enough next year when it realistically, it's probably not gonna be. Trey Hendrickson is coming to the Colts brother. Yeah, but he wants to win. Whoa.

But he loves Luan Rubo. Whoa. He actually was at the Saints when MC DC was at the Saints. So he'll be at the Lions. Whoa. Colts were just a play away brother. Remember two years ago, we always went to the AFC South. He was at the Saints when Dennis Allen was at the Saints.

He might be a bear. Lions make sense. It would be perfect fit. Let's all. You're gonna put $80 million into him and Hutch? Yeah. I don't know. Winning in the trenches like the Eagles.

I don't know. Calvin Shepard would love that release to Hodds. O-line D-line Howie. If we can get home with four, we can just sit like the Eagles do. Seven, 14 eyes. Hopefully everybody's you know got two eyes. That was the whole thing with the commanders or Brady when the commanders came out at halftime against the Lions in the playoffs where he's like you know maybe they maybe they mix it up don't blitz this half and then first

three plays they blitz every single player it was awesome. Let's get to a break on the other side we'll wrap up all the storylines of the week and then we're talking dirt biking. Yeah Yeah, super cross super cross who's the boss? It's super cross go get lost If you don't like our friends at super cross That's a theme song yeah Super cross That's sweet. You guys didn't go jump you got bikes out there didn't go jump somewhere. I don't know That's the thing you want in wait

But I was actually thinking where like Z and Nick and Bruce Park that hill easy perfect. Yeah, so I used to there All I want to do is bang that ain't damn thing All I want to do is that's all I want to do. That's all I want to do. You could actually probably, you know, go over the greens. You know, that's a little, yeah. And then on the other side. Yeah, we'll just get those things treated later.

We've got gravel though. That's a tough gravel. Yeah, but you've seen the tracks out there. They got, they got, you know, crushed rock and stuff like that. No, you know what? Loose rocks. I don't think they handle it. They handle it.

They do it all. I mean, definitely handle it. I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. I mean, definitely handle it. I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. I mean, definitely handle it. I don't think that. Loose rocks. I don't think they handle it. They handle it. They do it all. I mean, definitely. I don't think that's necessarily where you're heading to first. Hey, where's all the loose gravel at? Let me fucking. Oh, it's tightly packed. It's tightly packed out there.

You don't got to worry about. Yeah, right. Foxy's been plunking golf ball. Those rocks are everywhere. Yeah, they're tight until 250 CCs hit. Yeah. Quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, wank, wank, wank, wank, wank, wank, wank. Maybe Colt just does it. Hey, jump, jump the thing. Go on, do it.

Oh, I think one just pulled up. Oh, I see him. Oh, hell yeah. Wank, wank, wank, wank, wank, wank, wank. Maybe turn Jabba around, shoot right at the front door. I don't know if we're able to get to the front door or not. Go a little right. Go on, dance, Jabba.

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trophy. Okay, that's what they're leaning for. That's what they're rocking for. That's what they're jumping for. Ladies and gentlemen, you're looking for the, you're trying to zoom in on the name. Flank? Yeah, I was. That was quite an aggressive move on technology. If that would have worked, I would have been very impressed, especially with the lack of lighting that we have out there and everything. Nonetheless, that's the SMX World Championship. That's what it's all about. This weekend, they have an event down in Lucas Oil Stadium and shout the Supercross Supercross who's the dirt boss Supercross you don't like it you can get lost Supercross Supercross also in the, the NBA is happening. Indiana Pacers don't look down, they're the team.

In the entire NBA. Well, maybe except for one particular team. Over the last 10 games, a team in Los Angeles has come alive, a fan base has been awoken, and a GOAT is obviously feeling better than he's ever felt. The Lebronchich era for the Lakers is very real and very exciting. Just last night they were down 10 against New York Knicks in the fourth quarter was electrifying.

Big time shots from Lebron James, big time plays from Luka Doncic, massive shots from Austin Reeves and on the other side Jaylen Brunson gets hurt a little bit but it is still a game that was must watch. It didn't end until like 1 32 a.m. So a lot of us missed it over here on Eastern time. But just know that this Los Angeles Lakers team, if they're on TV, they're worth a watch right now. Luka Doncic and LeBron James have become a duo that has worked so perfectly together so quickly. I think it has a lot of people wondering

why and how can this happen in 2025 in the NBA? I think Luka grew up a massive LeBron James fan. I think LeBron James has always been a massive Luca fan. So when they're put on the team together, you can showcase the respect that they have. LeBron will sit his ass in the corner. Luca will do everything. And now all of a sudden, LeBron is having an opportunity

to have wide open threes like he's Ray Allen at 40 some years old. He's already scored 50,000 points the hard way. Now he's gonna have an opportunity to do it whenever somebody else is controlling the ball and controlling the defense. They're fun to watch and I know Charles Barkley doesn't like this particular network talking about this Lakers team but uh Luca and LeBron have been magical together and the way that he exited Dallas made him a must like player in my eyes in Luca and This is really good I think even though Charles Barkley don't like this and we are friends and appreciate Charles Barkley and everybody over there

It is great for the NBA that this Lakers team is playing phenomenal basketball right now. Yeah, I love Chuck and just the trade in general I feel like the players in the NBA were like holy shit because Lucas getting traded like I Do kind of have to be a little more personable. Maybe who knows that could have been a factor to it because clearly being liked does matter when it comes to both the organization and fans. But yeah, you can tell Lucas jacked. He did the James Harden, get me out of here kind of situation. And now he is a yoked up guy. He went to get me out of here.

So you got kicked out. No, no, body transformation guy. He went to get me out of here. So you got kicked out. No, no, body transformation rather. Not the on purpose. You know, let me get started. Has done that a few times. James Harden is the hammy. We, we, we, yeah. Oh, look, I'm fat. All of a sudden. And then the next week, 50. Yeah. He's dropping 50. I don't mean to get me out of here like that. I more so just mean the body similarities. Luca is already in great shape. Obviously he's playing out of his mind The big one is going to be tomorrow night Lakers Celtics. This is kind of the first massive Test for the Lakers. I would say during the Lebron shitsh era

The Celtics are playing very good basketball as they typically do and this is a game I think for Celtics fans as well to kind of look forward to just because it's like hey the whole Cavs thing You're up 23 to that was a that was a tough loss You kind of let your foot off the pedal now LeBron big dog LeBron Lakers Celtics rivalry coming to town But yeah, it is worked out for the Lakers. Obviously the Mavs injuries it sucks for them and you know Mark Cuban actually He just did an interview and basically talked a little bit more about it opened up about it a little bit and just said Like you know nothing against Anthony Davis, but you know if this trade is gonna happen Which he said he had no idea was happening like you need to get more

You know Anthony Davis is a great player But when you look at his age when you look at you know the injuries he's had like a player like Luca you'd assume is going for eight first-round picks and for them just to get a player in the end the pick is is kind of a drank beer though and he smoked who yeah which got which got him to the finals that's reef hammered home imagine who can LA he's probably got some great hook out there AJ we went to that we went to hook place, where was it? D-Butt set us up with.

Houston. Houston. Houston, yeah. That was my first experience at one of those hookah spots. It was pretty cool. I understand where Luca goes. Yeah, good vibes. I've seen any hookah spot and obviously the taste

and the flavor and you know, this guy will just smoke just tobacco wraps from the street. If you gave it to him You know this guy will smoke whatever with his cigars get a little hook in there. Joy life Have a beer enjoy the success and all the hard work that you've put in to get to this point look like this soon Well, Nico said I'm not gonna see you. I'm gonna kick you out of town and LA saying Thank you. Thank you places happen quicker

Didn't happen like the fact that they were playing so well together happened much quicker than I thought could happen 10 and two since the trade. Yeah, and they're now second in the west. They were seventh I believe uh like a week ago now they're second in the west 10 and two and nobody wants to play them So jj reddick, I think that is a good spot to be and jj reddick was getting crushed Murdered whenever he took that job and how bad they were at the beginning and everything now there's like inside clips coming out of him coaching and his strategy and obviously being able to get this team to coexist and work together and all their pieces and their bench is great it's like Lakers are a real deal and at halftime I got $100,000 because he made a half-court shot I like that

this is a hundred racks you know real pressure real life-changing stuff as opposed like let's say 19 grand but what a make out of cause MGA, he sold his chest, you know, to MGM for the halftime shot or half court shot. And, uh, congrats him. Everything's going right for the Lakers right now. Everything's going right, including halftime shots. Uh, Celtics great. Cavaliers great Oklahoma city. Great as well. Right? Yeah. Those are kind of the top pacers. No, we can go. If we're going great, Cavaliers great, Oklahoma City great as well right? Yeah those are kind of the top four. Pacers. No we can go if we're going great when we're going to top of the league we're going up four. Well you know who's back? Who's that? Just like the Kansas City Chiefs. Don't. Just like Kansas

City Chiefs who've had massive success and they hadn't been playing good football all year even though they've been winning. Whenever the lights get the brightest they show up. Say hello to Steph Curry in Brooklyn, New York last night. Just vintage Steph Curry bullshit here. Just second quarter going into halftime, buzzer beater and fade away, walk on off buckets. So Draymond Green's got a lot of moxie right now. He's doing a lot, saying a lot. He's not backing down either.

He's saying, well, I apologize for that. The Dremont Green Show rolls on though. Just wanted to mention. That's not what I meant. This is not gonna, yeah. You know that that's not what I meant whenever I said it. I did not know that. I was talking about something else.

Tease a piece to all parties, but the Dremont Green Show rolls on. Jimmy Butler, obviously a weapon for this Golden State Warriors team. Feels like things are kind of shaping up here towards the end of the season kind of, man. Yeah, they're just like the Pacersers kind of hitting their stride right at the right time and I guess different in the sense that they got Jimmy Butler and that made him much better. But yeah, that's another team another dark horse just like Indiana if you will and then there's still some teams in the middle there Milwaukee is still you know, Giannis

No one really talks about them small market that's a conversation for Charles Barkley to have and then you know also the Knicks of course who everyone says can't beat a good team and last night we kind of proved that but there's still ten in the fourth yeah there's there's still hanging around so we'll see what happens but if history tells us anything you know typically it is kind of the cream at the top that will get the job done but Dallas was a five seed last year and they made it all the way to the final. So who knows why they do that? Luca Donkic and I kind of did the entire deed

It will and now he's where and now he is with the Lakers with with LeBron and Brawny, which I don't know if you're allowed to say You're allowed to say Brawny's a professional athlete. obviously. OK, I think you just, you know, maybe. If you have an interesting scene. Yeah, that was the last thing we didn't really touch on that. Interesting scene there at the end, LeBron coming over, stand on business, so be so be so listen next time I see that guy. I'm let him know I do not like the way he is operating.

And he certainly did that right after the game. Stephen A gets announced He just signed a new deal with ESPN. Congrats. Steve That has obviously been lingering overhead for a long time. He goes to the game enjoys it and You know the Broncos over to him and says let's not be talking about my kid Same way you've been talking about me for the last two decades. How about that? Stephen a obviously answered this morning. His response, I'll be excited to see how it is received by LeBron and LeBron squad. We will say this, Rich Paul will be on our show next week. We can't wait to see how that kind of all ends up working out, but obviously in a public place never want to see this. Hopefully

they're able to go shake their hands, but a lot of things have been said and I know Bron said this is about Bronnie, not about me, but like, I assume with a lot of things that have been said over the years, you know, there's been a lot. So hopefully this is the, let's go shake their hands moment between the two. AJ, hopefully. Yeah. I mean, I think it'd be tough for anybody to read or watch people talk about your

kid, let alone if you're on the same team as him and you're still in the same league, it's such a unique situation. Yeah, I get it. I understand. Like I'd be pissed if people were talking about my kids not only kids you got to think but I get the situation I understand brah like it's it's it comes with the territory I get all that but I understand being a human and reacting yeah in Lebron saying it's about brawny for sure okay it definitely is but also there's been a lot of things said about

me you know in my game and my craft and everything like that over the years not just by Stephen a by a lot of people in sports media comparing him to Michael Jordan, what, since like year two or year three? So I think there's a lot of things potentially that lead into that and then whenever it goes to his son, he's like enough, I'm gonna, and Stephen A is obviously the most famous guy in sports media, especially whenever it comes talking day to day and basketball and everything like that so you know hopefully they should hopefully they get past it you know and hopefully the conversation and dialogue about LeBron has been able to accomplish throughout his entire career potentially changes a little bit as well as opposed to just saying Sky ain't Jordan Jordan Jordan would chew more gum this guy ain't chewing ink i don't see this guy doing any of that

oh Jordan wouldn't have taken a piss during the first half He would add his bladder on a control like that is basically what this guy's entire career has been So now he has 50,000 points in the NBA and maybe the best team he's had in a long time right now maybe there is a little bit more of a Hey, this guy pretty good for a long time. Maybe this guy pretty good pretty good at basketball Yeah, and all the stuff that people have said, like, you know, that was one big thing Stephen A was saying was like, hey, he could have called me and we could have had this conversation man to man.

I'm sure LeBron's like, well, you've been saying this on national television. So that is calculated. I'm gonna go ahead and dress you down in front of all these celebrities and all these people and maybe give you a little taste of what I've been feeling for the last, you know, two plus decades. He has, Stephen A signs an NBA deal and LeBron says, now you're going to get treated like an NBA player.

Yeah. That's the way it's going to go. Hopefully they settle that and figure it out. Two very important people to the sports society, obviously. And congrats to Stephen A on the new deal. I know that has been talked about for a long, long time. Our names. Now, granted, when I sign a deal, it's for like a 15 person company, which that kind

of gets lost in the conversation a lot, you know, but like my name was getting projected into his negotiations a lot by a lot of people. And I just wanted Stephen A to feel as if he got what he is deserved. The guy works his ass off. He's on TV all the time. He's been doing ESPN stuff for what 13 years now, 14 years full time. So I'm happy to see he got paid. That's good news for all parties and congratulations to Stephen A. And he says he's not running for president. So he's taking the sports there for a bit. For now. Not now. He's

been doing politics though. He's been dabbling over there. Oh yeah. Every night there's a new clip of Stephen A just cooking some politic conversation. And it's like yeah this dude's been doing debating and talking for a while now. He has been jousting. You know, they say 10,000 hours makes you great. It's like, Stephen A has 10,000 hours of debating. And that's interesting.

That feels like a pretty, I'm not gonna say it. What? The political world, anything you say in the political world does massive numbers, you know? Like it is, because people very genuinely care. But a lot of the people that are doing the... and once again, I don't pay attention close enough, I don't feel like there's a lot of good talkers over there. I don't feel like there's a lot of good talkers over there, you know. So Stephen A, having a passion and also having an incredible ability at what he does. And obviously intelligence to be able to understand all that shit, which I am nowhere near, but then his ability to speak is...

In real time, on camera, like when stuff is brought up that you might not be super informed on, like be able to do that is, yeah, the people that are great at it, they make it look easy. Yeah, and sports people I think are good at it, because kind of have to, that's kind of what the whole entire model is.

So like Stephen A potentially dabbling over there, I've only seen a few clips of him and people and it's like oh they have no idea. They have no idea what's going on. And if they counter he's gonna have a counter. I mean this is not a this is not just a oh yeah you're right type situation. It's like let me explain to you why you were wrong and then a great promo and then just kind of leave it at their desk and it's like I don't know if any of these people expect that to be coming back from Stephen A.

It's like, it might be a whole new world over there in political commentary if Stephen A takes his, takes his talents over there, which it seems like he's dabbling. But at least we know ESPN is going to have him for what? Five years. Congrats to him. Ladies and gentlemen,

it is time for us to talk about something that we don't know a lot about, but hopefully we'll learn. This weekend, a massive event is happening at Lucas Oil Stadium. There's an annual event that always brings a ton of people to downtown Indianapolis, Indiana. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who's won twice here in Indianapolis, super cross legend, racist for the Suzuki team. He's a former 450 CC rookie of the year ladies and

gentlemen Colt Nichols Oklahoma from Oklahoma if you can feel it How we doing? How we doing? How's it going man? Pleasure. Oh, you got the Tyrese Halliburton's on. Oh no. As long as it wasn't. Oh. He knocked over Lisa. He broke Lisa. Oh no. He broke Lisa Booter? What the fuck man?

That's not a good start. That's not a good start Colt. At least it wasn't Earnhardt. Oh my God. Oh my God. Ah. Oh Lisa though. Oh my God.

You're gonna have to give him your back. Colt, let's see it Ty. Your head come off? No, the feet. God damn, legs broke off. She got no feet. That was a bar ball. That is my bad. That's a party foul. That's my bad. I apologize. It is your bad. It's 100% my bad. We'll move past it. Well you got a big weekend. I don't want you thinking about this when you're riding your bike. Fair enough.

Fair enough. Oh, no. Whoa, what a catch by Con Man. He caught Lisa Bluter's torso and her head over there. I tell you what, it was done because you wanted to show respect. Yeah, that's all it was. Yeah, that's all it was.

You wanted to show respect to Ty. Yeah, had to be done. We got some super glue, too. We'll be able to put her legs back on. We'll get Chris Angel in here. He'll be able to put those legs right back on Lisa Bluter. Don't you think about any of that? Coach how old are you? I am 30. Okay, you know dude. We're getting old for our sport. Okay, what is average age of? Actually, it's getting older like now top guys are going till 30 35 range

It used to be like, you know late 20s physically demanding right very I mean, it's a really really tough sport We get injured a lot, hit the ground, it hurts. That's what makes guys retire early, but a lot of guys make enough money and be able to retire by the time they're 30. Love that you're able to turn something you love into a full-time profession. You're two-time Indianapolis, just Indianapolis. Yeah, at the time I was racing the 250 class, now I'm in the 450. I won here twice in 2021. Almost had the third one, crashed out on the first lap. Tumble, big explosion type deal. But yeah, love this place. Goodbye here. Love this place. Big explosion. Is that, are all tracks similar? They all have the same shit in it, just different

designs? Yeah, same obstacles. Woops, triple finish, all this kind of stuff just configured all differently. The dirt's different every weekend. Like Indy's notorious for like softer really ruddy condition Some of the tracks really hard pack so it just depends on where you go But this place is something special so you're a rudder you enjoy the thing. Oh, yeah, I love that How come it's like it's a damper. It's more damp or why I guess I don't know I don't know if the dirt's frozen from outside it rains a lot They store the dirt usually some places some places. It's outside and this place just ruts up a lot

It's like what it's known for but it's awesome I love it. Okay, so the out to shoot is the big deal, right? Big deal. You got 22 guys lined up We're all going into the first turn and everybody there thinks they're gonna get there first So it's just chaos most of the time surviving first lap big deal. Yeah big deal first turn. I guess Yeah, you just got to position yourself good That's literally half the race getting out of the gate good putting yourself in a good spot And then after that trying to make moves. How many laps do we have?

We got 20 minutes, 450 class, 250 class is 15 minutes plus one lap, 450 is 20 minute plus one. So it's demanding, like your heart rate's probably 185 the whole time, kind of peaking right there, and it just gets really, really hard. You're up and down a lot, standing, sitting, pulling, pushing, it's tough, man. So Buffalo Wild Wings went from like 12 wings It just gets really really hard. You're up and down a lot standing sitting pulling pushing

It's tough man. So Buffalo Wild Wings went from like 12 wings to like a pound of wings You could get like anywhere from 8 to like 13 or whatever. It's one of those 20 laps anymore. It used to just be 20 laps 15 laps now. It's 20 minutes They just wanted the racing to be a little longer some of the tracks are high 40 seconds low 50s So the racing was done really quickly So they're like we want to have these guys out there, the premier guys out there for 20 minutes so everyone could see a show for at least 20 minutes. What's the week look like? You got practice leading into the weekend? Yeah, we got practice.

Qualies? Winter qualies? Yeah, we usually fly on Friday. We start in the morning with an untimed practice so you can just go out there, learn the track, you know, see how it's all pieced together. Kind of bop around. Yeah, sure. Pretty much. And then we have two time sessions after that. That depicts your gate pick for the night program. Where do you want to be inside?

Typically, you want to be closer to the box or inside. There's usually a starting house, 12 gates, 12 gates, or 11 and 11. Depends on how long or short the start is, the strategy will change on where you want to be. But you want to get a good practice time so you can pick the best gate. they usually have these big ruts coming out of the front of them and they're all jacked up so you want to pick the best one and you can

only do that by getting a good a good gate pick okay so that's what the qualities are for and when are the final sunday uh no all saturday night so we get done qualifying you have a little break you get out of your gear usually sign autographs meet the fans do stuff like that a lot of fans by the way i think that was a big I don't want to say surprise no offense I did not grow up in a dirt bike community But out here racing is king obviously in Indianapolis and Indiana I think the first time you guys came to town I did not expect the amount of human traffic and this is a lot a lot of people come to town

I mean we'll sell out Lucasville Stadium and every stadium that we go to pretty much sellouts You know 40 50,000 people every night TV packages have grown like you know the peacock deal that we signed to pretty much sell outs, you know, 40, 50,000 people every night. TV packages have grown, like, you know, the Peacock deal that we signed for Supercross is huge. And honestly, just the amount of money. Like the guy that pretty much won everything last year is the kid on screen, Jet Lawrence. Jet Lawrence, he's the SMX World Champ.

Yeah, SMX World Champ. I mean, that dude made, I mean, anywhere from eight, $10 million last year. It's a big, big money deal, you know, if you're winning races and doing good. So I don't know, you're from Oklahoma, so I'm not a hermit since you're a country fuck. Can you move that mic a little bit?

But country fucks love the dirt bikes. Oh, we absolutely love it. We dig it. That is the people that I know. Oh, we love it. I've had an opportunity now to meet a lot of people with football and sports and traveling and everything. Oh yeah.

And I've always rode, you know, heavy box. Okay. You're hopping on a Harley. Indian and Harley. Yeah, yeah. Heavy box, you know, we got hydraulics, whenever that thing parks, you know, heavy box. Okay. You're hopping on a Harley. Yeah. Yeah You know, we got hydraulics whenever that thing parts it goes on down there. Oh, yeah Do you guys you you kind of start with dirt bikes as like kids it sounds like in a TV I mean you start on like a PW 50 which is made by Yamaha It's pretty much the bike that everyone started on it's the smallest bike they make

Everyone started at three four years old. Probably we start from there, then you start going to local races, then you go to these bigger amateur events that they have scattered throughout the country and try to get sponsors and things like that. It just grows and grows and grows. And eventually you can turn pro at, I want to say 18 years old now, you can turn pro. You used to be 16, now it's 18.

And then as soon as you do that, I mean there's a lot of kids now that'll sign contracts at 13, 14 years old and they're making 100, 200 grand a year. You know, as a 13, 14 year old kid, so. A lot of that's that'll sign contracts at 13 14 years old and they're making a hundred two hundred grand a year You know as a 13 14 year old kid So a lot of that's going into the bike though, right? Cuz you guys have to build your own bikes depends like some of those kids like all that's taken care of you know The bike stuff it's taken care of from the team. This is pretty much money to go all they committed

Yeah, go all over the country. Most these kids go to training facilities You know, they they'll probably go home school then they live at a training facility full time. All they do is train. Like dirt bikes all day every day. That's awesome. Eight to $10 million is available at the end of the road. Yeah, so that's like the goal.

I mean, the guy that's winning everything now, they're from Australia. They're not even from the States. They had like this big move over here all to chase the dream to race super cross and be a super cross champion. So it's a crazy sport. It's exciting.

Like we're in a really, really good time period for our sport. It's growing like crazy. Like I said, selling out stadiums, big TV packages, and the racing is just insane. It's a lottery on who's gonna be at the top step of the podium every weekend. So it is just, man, it's a really, really good time

to be a fan of our sport. Okay, so you said Australia there. How many other countries are really into dirt biking? In my head, I'm trying to think of like country places. Oh, I mean America, I mean, America number one. But the guy winning everything right now he is he is Australian. We have a rider from Japan, a rider from Germany, there's guys all over but they all come here to race Supercross. Supercross is by far the premier thing it's you know for you guys but they all come here to race Supercross. Supercross is by far the premier thing,

it's for you guys, NFL, top tier. For dirt bikes, Supercross is it. Okay, so what's the furthest jump we're doing in any given race? Is there a certain track that is known for having a massive jump, or are they all pretty much regulated? More on the outdoor circuit.

Outdoor circuit is all tracks that have been there for years, kind of carved out through the grass, they got hills, a bunch of stuff. There's like huge jumps where we're jumping, you know, 130, 140 feet and Supercross, it's all regulated. So all- Not with a heavy bike.

This is, you're jumping with the dirt bike. Yes, this guy right there. Yeah, yeah, that 450 CC. That 450 CC. That 450, that thing will bark. It can take off on you, you gotta be careful with it. But Supercross- That thing will bark.

Yeah, Supercross all regulated. All the Supercross triples are 65 feet. The finishes are usually you know 50 60 feet they're all usually somewhat the same um just so that whenever you build your track at home or wherever you train at you know how to build it so it's all kind of to spec being regulated seems smart yeah it feels like it's more inside the stadium it's a good move especially for making eight to ten million dollars this feels like a oh yeah a blossoming professional uh avenue for a lot of people good command

So how are the vibes like on tour like does everybody hate the jet guy because everything and he's Australian or have to get along Right. Yeah. Yeah, you fly flying in just on Fridays Like do you have a lot of time with the other people racing? Like how does that work when it comes to everybody that who's racing? Yeah So so so like some guys are trained together during the week. You know, like we stay at some of the facilities, some of us are trained together, ride together during the week. Most of the time, though, everyone tries to do everything separate because you

don't want to give away any of your secrets, any stuff like that. But when we show up on the weekends, we usually fly on Thursday, fly on Friday, depends on if we have press or stuff to do on Friday. But yeah, I mean, for the most part, you have like your rivalries like you would in any other sport, you know, like this guy hates that hates that guy or you know that team hates that team like a football You definitely have that but for the most part we all have like a really big respect for each other because this sports tough Dude, it's hard, you know As soon as you got it figured out you end up crash get hurt then you're knocked out for the whole season like Jet

Lawrence he just tours ACL a few weeks ago. Nice. Out for the whole season. One more spot. We're not looking for that. No, I mean for. You know, for competitive. Come on. Yeah, get up there. Yeah, we're obviously teasing peas today on Australian ACL. Shout out Jett. Yeah, love Australia. Jett honestly is a really good dude. I was teammates with him a few years ago. Good kid. He's just, he's so young and he's kind of taking the sport by storm just because he's so young. He's came in and done some incredible things at a really, really young age. That's not normal, you know, normally it takes guys five six years to get into it and he did it first year out He was a 450 champ his very first try that's kind of incredible He's he's a badass like he's he's a sick kid a lot of us though

I mean all of us we've been doing this for a long time a lot of respect But yeah, you definitely got the rivalries you got your beef You know on the weekends guys taking each other out and then you're pissed off But you guys don't know each other right Because you've been racing throughout your entire life. I feel like with like the car racers or the Indy car racers, they were go-karts against each other. They kind of like know each other, Indy lights, they came up against each other. You guys probably similar, right? Same exact thing. I've been racing the same guys that I'm still racing now in the 450 class. I started racing when I was, you know, 10.

So you like, you know your tendencies about some guys, like you know who they are, what they are, because you've been racing for so long. What's your style? What would they say your style is? Probably a little more finesse, I guess you would say. I don't really know how to describe it. You're reading.

Yeah, trying to. Skill. A lot of guys you would describe as like, they just are on edge all the time. Like you never know if it's gonna be good or bad. It looks really sketchy while they're doing it. Some guys are really calculated. And honestly, it's poetry and motion though, what we do.

Because it is like there's a million lines everywhere. The bikes are so fast and it's just all so calculated. Just like anything else though. The more reps you do, the better you get, the better you get. But our sport is, like I said, it's insane. I hope you guys can come out tomorrow because it's gonna be a hell of a day.

A couple years ago, we were gonna go, it was on St. Patrick's Day too. We all got two hammered. Oh yeah. That'll happen. Yeah, it'll happen. Yeah, I was talking to Sean Brennan. guys can come out tomorrow because it's gonna be a hell of a couple years ago we were gonna go it was on Saint Patrick's Day too we all got two hammered oh yeah yeah yeah I was talking to Sean Brennan I believe he's your PR guy it was a great text conversation because we were downtown we came downtown to go to the

Supercross thing and then it happened the showcase is I mean what a spectacle you got it piecing together which is fantastic which is part of that TV deal and I assume licensing deal and everything like that but we came downtown to do Saint Patrick's Day to end up at the Supercross and then didn't make it one thing led to another I get that how to get home bit too old

No, I took an uber home. It was a two hour ride and I was also very very confused But you guys and we just showed it there a little bumping and rubbing his racing that'll piss you off when that stuff happens That's what gets the rivalries going. You know fans love it though. We get low cut. Oh, yeah, low bridge Yeah, get hit right in the leg just barely tap the front wheel that'll make you fall down Then you're pissed and you got to come back try catch everybody again. Oh makes it chaos So was it last year two years ago? We saw that guy. Oh, yeah, was that last year? I think was last year It might have been yeah, maybe we saw the video last year. Somebody went full.

Been there, done that. It ain't fun. I'll tell you that right now. Oh, so you've done that. Oh yeah. Full speed, we're talking loose control. Oh yeah. I've broken myself off way too many times.

I mean, like most of us, I mean, we've had, you know, just myself, shoulder, knee, you know, hip, femur, humerus, wrists, arms. Gee, femur. Like an orthopedic surgeon's dream. I mean, some guys, humerus, wrists, arms. Gee, femur. Like an orthopedic surgeon's dream. I mean, some guys, that's kind of like the hard part of our sport is literally just staying healthy.

That's like the hardest part is being there every single weekend. The guys that can do that usually are, you know, just a lot of steps ahead. Cause then you get hurt, you miss races, you miss training, you're that much further behind. That's like, it's a really, really hard thing to do. And yeah, it's tough to keep getting back on that horse. Who's taping code this week? Yeah, I'm not my shoulder up this weekend. It's a dinged up. That's all right

Where are we in the season right now? We're round I think this is round eight in the season either round eight or nine I keep losing track of where we are. So we have 17 rounds total. Okay, we're midseason Yeah midseason form trying to get ourselves going a little bit then as soon as this ends We have one weekend off and then we go To the outdoor circuit that I was talking about earlier that spread out all through all through the country as well There's 11 races in that and that's considered like a regular season soon as that's over two-week break and then we're into The playoffs SMX playoffs. It's essentially same thing as football So we'll start out if it's like

Normally, it's all the same as far as like your point system on how it works As soon as you get to the playoffs the first round is the same Standard points the second round's double points third round is triple points And then at the end a million dollars is up for grabs on whoever wins SMX tight Oh shit just for that those three races three dollars just for that one pre-tax pre-tax real bummer 650,000 bucks 30,000 bucks god they're really cutting us on that Everybody AJ has a question for you in Ohio. What you got?

Yeah, I believe, speaking of injuries, I believe a couple years ago you broke both of your arms at the same time. I'm curious what it was like. Oh, was that you? That was me. Yeah, how did you handle it? What did the cast look like and how did you operate day to day? Bad situation, let me tell you that. Big fan, I'm just gonna say that. But yeah, it was not good.

We were double cast. I couldn't even wipe my own ass. It was a whole deal. Who did it? Luckily I had a girlfriend at the time, or still the same girlfriend. She was handling it for me. Thank you, lady.

Real wifey stuff. Thank you, lady. Yeah, she was handling it. Yeah, God bless her. Yeah, God bless her soul. But that one was tough. I had to end up having the wrist redone again because it was all messed up from the first surgery.

That was like a five and a half, six month rehab. And then as soon as you're done with that, you're just trying to get back on the bike as quick as you possibly can. But same thing as you guys, like we're trying to figure out ways, hyperbaric chambers and CVAC and cold plunges and everything that we can do

to get the body ready to go again. And yeah, that's where our sport's kind of taken off from the athletic side. Recovery, everything like that is getting pretty advanced with what we're doing. But that one was tough. That was a really hard injury to come back from. But yeah, here we are. Did you have this one? Is this what the cast looked like?

Were you literally like, I was stuck like this. Luckily, this one was just here to the elbow. I think actually both of them were here to the elbow, but I was I was stuck. Couldn't do nothing. That's terrible. Yeah, I mean, it's a bad deal. But you're a tough guy. If your girlfriend wasn't around, what if she wasn't around or you had to, you know? But I was I was stuck couldn't do nothing. That's terrible. Yeah, I mean, it's a bad deal Wasn't around what if she wasn't around or you had to you know, what do you do? You gotta pull someone off the street. What do you do? It would have been a bad deal. We have a bidet installed in the house. That was help. It was gonna be a bad deal

Either way, it was gonna dry off the bidet too. Cuz if not, you're just walking around with off the bidet too because if not you're just walking around with a moist wet butt. Yeah, yeah, sorry. That's not good either. You want to be shit out of luck? Yeah, I'll take that over the alternative that's for damn sure. It was a bad bad deal. Yeah, luckily she was there, she saved me and yeah we ended up getting through it so it was good. Thank you lady. God bless her. Why didn't you just tell us that that was your crash that we saw? You said been there done that.

That's definitely the crash that we watched. Well, I don There's been there's been a few big ones over the years. I'm not good broken both arms Yeah, I'm assuming that's when it cracked into our algorithm. It could have yeah, it certainly could hey look at this dirt bike racer Supercross guy he broke both of his arms on this and then the follow-up is as soon as he could he got right back on Oh, that's what I'm saying. We have an intense love for what we do. Maybe it's a little bit of stupidity as well. I'm not sure. Because most people would be like, no, I'm not doing that no more. But same thing.

I mean, I broke my leg when I was six. And as soon as I could ride again, I was riding again. So I'm like, I don't know why that is. But that's the difference. That's a separator, bro. That's a talent and a trait, not a bad thing. Ty, here's a question for you. You talked about this kind of being like a young man's game

and how you're getting a little bit older. At what point are you in like the prime of your career and like how long will you be able because now we're seeing football players like play Until they're you know 43 45 obviously that's an exception. It's not the rule but like yeah, when are you in your prime and how much longer do you think you'll be able to do this and Is there anything else over here that you'd like to throw on the ground? Look at that desk a little bit more outside here but I hope not honestly. But honestly for us I'm not sure dude as far as how long we can go like I said I think it's just advancements of you know how we recover how we can come back from

injuries that's kind of changing the game and making it to where it's kind of like football guys are just going longer like you can because you can take care of yourself better and perform better and for longer at a higher level. So the guy that's won a lot of titles in our sport, he just got hurt too right around the time that Jet did. He's 32 and he's still winning races and that's been unheard of, you know, 10 years ago. So I hope I could go another like three to four years if I could, that would be cool. But I would say your prime prime for our sport is honestly anywhere from 24 to 30 like there's been guys that just do it at different times But that was usually like the rule of thumb like there's been a lot of guys that never even won races and to win past

30 was like literally unheard of until the past like three years Who's go Ricky? The king is Jeremy McGrath. He was my idol when I was younger. He wants 72 supercross races He's just a legend but Ricky Carmichael is the goat for sure The king is Jeremy McGrath. He was my idol when I was younger. He won 72 supercross races He's just a legend but Ricky Carmichael's the goat. Yeah, Pastrana was in this one I thought Pastrana was in this too Pastrana was like he won an outdoor title whenever he was super young but he was he was too busy going here doing everything Yeah, literally doing everything. Yeah, he was damn good talent, but he just didn't have enough of like I'm doing this only

Do you do you have the uh the flip into the hell no no no no we're not going upside down we're working on speed only I'm not trying to flip myself off or do anything how come are you going through the checker line you know you're you're about to win there's that big jump go and take that song bitch I mean if you won and did a black flip as you're winning you would be I mean that'd be some legendary shit But strong I did that at a supercross years ago back in like 2009 and practice He did a flip over the finish and it was like the craziest thing we'd ever seen But so you guys aren't the flippers at all. No, no, no, no no flips. No tricks We're just working on speed only like how can you go from checkered to checkered faster than the other guy?

Don't has a question for you. Cool. Yeah, you won the the 250 2021, I believe, and now you're doing 450. So is like 250, is that like a minor league? And then you is, are the more talented racers going up to 450? Or how does that work? I wouldn't say minor league or talent or anything. It's all just usually just age. Like the 250 class is strictly not all the time, but usually that's just, that's where you start. Everybody that's gone through the professional ranks you ride 250 first. Guys graduate and go to the 450 class at different times but it's always 250 first. So for me I race 250 class for I want to say seven six seven years. Some guys it's two years some guys it's five it just depends on when you

want to move up and our rules are changing where guys are staying longer and things are different but same thing like there's some guys that are like why would I move up to the 450 class when I can stay in the 250 class the competitions not quite as fierce and I'm making six figures still why would I do that so it just depends you know every guy's journey is a little bit different for me once you win a championship you can defend the next year and then as soon as you defend you're out no matter what so as as soon as you win, you got one year, then you're gone whether you wanna stay or not.

So that's what was tough for me in 2022. That was my year to defend. And then I crashed, broke both my arms. I'm like, fuck. Back to the couch for a little bit. So that was a bummer. I really wanted to defend that year and show those guys that I earned that championship

the year before, but I didn't get a chance to do it. So that was a bummer, but yeah, into the 450 class now. My first bike was a Titan Chopper 1700cc. Damn, talk to him. Let's go. Let's go. Cut off the side of the road, had a lot of juice, had a lot of pizzazz.

Top end speed was up there. Only did it one time and thought to myself, we should not go that fast ever again without it. What is top end speed for the 450cc and then the 250cc? What's the biggest difference? I mean, they're probably pretty close. 450. It's a lot heavier a lot more torque Obviously 200 more CC's and it's just it's got more more bang for your buck on that thing But we're I mean top speed is hard because we don't really ever just like straight line take off

But you're probably I don't know if you wanted to go 60 70 probably down the road you could But for us you're never really hitting that. Outdoors you will, because like I said, those tracks are so spread out and big. So you're wide open, there's a long straightaway. You'll go wide open a lot in outdoors. But Supercross, it's so methodical and you're kind of just hopping and jumping around the track

and a lot of obstacles. Like Supercross, there's just a lot of obstacles. Outdoors, it's more natural rolling hills everywhere, but yeah, Supercross, it's pretty tight, we're confined. Is that your steel pony right there? That's my steel pony right there. We're set up for the, we got the St. Jude graphics on for this weekend, pretty cool thing Supercross does

with St. Jude every year. So it's pretty cool getting to do this and change the bikes up, they usually don't look like that for the weekends, but yeah. How many bikes do you have? How many will you have for the weekend? For the weekend, we just have two. You have this one.

They're fickle, right? I've heard dirt bikes are very fickle. Yeah, very fickle But then we all everyone will have a backup bike at the truck just in case something crazy happens You got to switch out real quick, but the mechanic they're on top of it something happens something crazy from race to race They're able to change it and get it going and that'll be my one bike. All right all weekend. Well, good luck. Let's go Oh, yeah, I think old ran how many twisted tee all big on the side damn thing looks good. Yeah Hell yeah, I think old ran how many twisted tee all big on the side damn thing looks good. Yeah, go towards you Fine and we said twisted twisted tee st. Jude's who are the big sponsors for Supercross for Supercross this year? It's Monster Energy. Yeah monsters the biggest one I would say

But they're just every year it seems like they gain more and more more this team in general is the title sponsors twisted tee progressive insurance X-Star and oh, yeah a bunch of stuff involved in Moto, a bunch of other Moto sponsors that, you know, tires, pipes, stuff of the engine, bars, everything like that. So it's pretty head to toe. I'm not going to ride that one, right? Is there other bikes out there? If you see them.

Get on that damn thing. I'll start it up. Come on. Take off, right? I don't know. Come on, man. I don't want to huff any of that feeling. Oh, we got it.

But I would like to ride a dirt bike. I see a lot of bikes out there. Is it? Yeah, is there they brought it? To yeah, they've got this one and then the backup bike is outside. We got two Any other takers we hop on this damn thing. Well, we need you to go do your thing on it Don't break your arms here. I don't want to fucking Just rip around the park a lot. We'll do a quick There's a bulls There's light pulls if I was to bring you my dirt bike that I got for Christmas like three years ago that

was never able to be turned on, you guys would be able to fix that? I'm sure. I'll give it to my mechanic Joe, he's in there right now, he'll probably get that thing fixed up. Joe seemed to, yeah, it's down the street here, we'll actually bring that over. Joe seemed to be thrilled to be here, is he the one with the big beard? Joe has the beard, yeah, he was very very excited, all of us were excited. No, Joe was not very, very excited. All of us were excited. No, Joe was not excited. Joe was here to work. Joe was

out on his fucking bike on this goddamn thing. He was locked in. I mean, he was good beard. He was locked in in this entire thing. Yeah, well, he said, it was a little bit last minute. I had no idea. I'm prepping the bike, getting everything ready. And they told me we got to load it up and take it up there. He was like, it's great. It was awesome. But man, it was so stressful. I'm like, I was sprinting through the airport this morning so my plane got delayed I'm like son of a bitch I gotta go I gotta get there both you and Joe we appreciate that oh yeah we made it happen it was awesome I was very excited this is an honor to be here with you boys I'll be I'll be

honest it's really cool really really cool we don't have any dirt bikers that's that I've never encountered a professional dirt biker in my life. First for everything. I am just blessed to be the first. How's the culture? Culture's good, culture? You guys got good vibes? It's incredible, yeah.

Incredible, man. Everything about it, like I said, the sport in general is growing a lot. What we do is, I think it's the greatest sport in the world. It's just awesome. Like every weekend, you never know what's gonna happen and that's what makes it so fun. Do you play any other sports?

Yeah, I played basketball in high school. Are you pretty good? Yeah. You like Cousy? No. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, calm down. Yeah, yeah, I played basketball in high school. Are you pretty good? Cousy no Hey calm down Alright, well we appreciate how tall and what's the tallest biggest rider price all right rider You got smaller you gotta be usually kind of small like my eyes size is very average There's a guy that was probably like six five six eight. Oh, that's he's a unit Yeah, he's a big boy. That's very bad for him though, right? Isn't it in some ways like he's got more leverage

That's good. Sometimes but sometimes it can be bad. It depends on situation. He's heavier on the back Hey, you gotta be light power to weight ratio man, that'll help you no doubt Jockey cut of this guy's gym. Yeah God damn it. Like a jockey. Cut of this guy's gym. Yeah, me too. Even though he busted my jet. Yeah.

I like, he's retired, so. We want us over. What part of Oklahoma? What part of Oklahoma? Muskogee, Oklahoma. Where's that? Closer to the Arkansas side, right off I-40. Nice, do you pay attention to other sports?

Oh yeah, big Thunder fan. How could I not be? Hey, hey, they're rolling right now. There you go. One in the West, we're chilling. We are chilling, I'm very excited. SGA is just like, I'm a huge, huge fan. I think he's awesome.

He's just balling, he's MVP this year. No doubt. Yeah. Well SGA's name is actually MVP That's Michael Greenberg. That's not me. I cannot I cannot take credit for that. That is greenie. Oh 100% Yeah the other day. All right, Colt. Well, good luck this weekend. Good luck the rest of the season Yeah, thank you guys. Thank you for stopping by and making us much much smarter in this entire thing Oh, we'll pay attention to clips and we'll watch it's on peacock peacock Yep, live every Saturday. Okay, we will watch that and I can't wait to hop on one of these bad boys outside It's cold out there. Huh? Is it cold? I might need a hoodie or something. Yeah

It'll be I guess we're gloves out there, right? Oh, we're full geared up I doubt gloves helmet goggles Jersey pants boots the cup? Shoulder pads. No cup. That's the one thing that'll get you. No shoulder pads, but usually like an under protector or something like that. When I'm up, you just want to let the balls. How good was Robbie Knievel? My boy Robbie Knievel could jump some jumps.

He jumped. They were jumping heavy bikes, right? Heavy bikes. He could jump some jumps. He jumped heavy bikes. Question is, that's what I'm saying. Heavy bikes, though, like Evil Knievel and Robbie, they're jumping heavy bikes, right? That's unheard of now. He's jumping a Harley. That's what I'm saying, heavy bikes though. Like Evil Knievel and Robbie, they're jumping heavy bikes. That's unheard of now.

He's jumping a Harley. You know what I mean? That's not meant to be jumped. That's not what you want to do. Is he just strong or is he crazy? How would Evil and Robbie be able to do that? Honestly, both. I think he's just nuts. I would never try to jump a Harley over a bus. Robbie Knievel's a dog.

He is. He will forget about Robbie and I'll try to remind him. Tried to jump a Harley over a bus Robbie Knievels dog Forget about Robbie I try to remind them Here's Robbie Knievel jumping over the Grand Canyon no problem looks like a dirt bike yeah light work Oh no! Oh no! Robbie sent it! That's possible! That's possible! That's possible. Hey, that's Knievel football right there. That's more of a popper. That's got suspension. That's a proper, like, bike back in the day to do this with. No, Evil Knievel, no suspension, and animal. Like, he was jumping like, I'm gonna break myself off, no doubt about it, I don't give a shit. That was his attitude.

Robbie Knievel was like, he didn brakes, bro. He didn't have any. He didn't want any of his ability to turn around. They should have had all the hay bales or four. What are you talking about? Todd Hanson said, Robby could have hit the brakes. He just thought to hit a couple bumps. What did you call them? Whoops, whoopsie whoops?

Yeah, whoopsie whoops. Yeah, those are just super cross only. So it'll be a stack of nine or 11 whoops. They're just spaced out different. And that's the thing you're doing. Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bang. Oh yeah. All right, so let's pull up the, this is the track I believe for Lucas Oro Stadium that

has been on this graphic here in front of me. There it is. Yep. They're just spaced out different. And that's the thing you're doing, the really wide long start going to the lost because there's so many different ways you could go Is that why the practice of you so not necessarily lost but every now and then you'll come around thinking you're you know Hit a jump that's blind. You're like, yeah, I'm supposed to go left. Nope. It's right, you know So you kind of forget sometimes but for the most part we do so many laps that it's just it's so easy You have it down like science. What's the average lap time here in Indianapolis? We're probably closer to 50 seconds, a little under a minute, 50 seconds somewhere right there. But the track will

deteriorate so much the lap times will go up and it'll get more difficult to go around the track the same speed you know it slows down just a little bit as you go. And then whenever there's an accident yellow flag? Yellow flag you can usually still race you can like still jump the jumps on a yellow. Red cross flag comes out that means somebody pulled a Robby can evil they're they're down bad he actually broke his leg and a lung there punctured a lung and I did not do good maybe you see a red cross flag you're rolling you got to roll the obstacle can't jump it you can't like race so you can't pass anybody just stop the clock

the 20 minutes no doesn't stop the clock but if they pull out a red flag that's whenever you stop the clock the The race either restarts completely, you do a staggered start, or the race is over, depending on where you're at in the race. So we're gonna have 20 minutes of racing. No, we're gonna have 20 hard, tough minutes of racing. Let's go. It's gonna be sick. Who's got the watch?

Hmm? Who's got the watch? That I don't know. Guy's sitting in the, probably the flagger that's sitting there. As soon as the gate drops, time goes, and we take off. Can you see a clock as you're going around the there's usually like a big scoring thing and it usually has just like the top five riders and usually has a clock there so you can kind of see the time do you have communications to your

pit no communication that's something that's been in our sport like talked about for past few years to have like inner helmet stuff where you could talk with your team or something like that but we don't have it yet not for what we're doing sounds like next year it's gonna be hard to know know the time just because those jumbo chums are so small Yeah, it's just hi every now and then you can jump up look up see a time. I'm like, all right. I got five Just as we get there making fun of Lucas oil stadium and they got a little baby jump it is it is tiny though I'll be honest with you. Oh, yeah, you know you travel for 17 weeks indoors. Yeah Career actually. Yeah, I need to see those in there a little bit smaller, but hey, that's the added value Lucas Oh, sir. I mean you got experience in live more. That's right. You don't get tempted to look at the Jumbo Trump because

Eight or nine they got that window to just sitting there. Yeah, there is a window blinding you I'm sure blinded by blind the racers already race at night though, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean all the lights are on obviously everything It's super super lit up and they're just like it lights up pitch black race we'd like to do one of those in here actually glow in the dark we want a 450 CC inside a Thunderdome pitch black race 20 minutes I don't know if any of you are gonna make it donuts I don't know if I'm in for that one I'll watch you boys participate in that one. Oh, well fuck you, Colt. You're supposed to be right there. We got it outside. Okay, Colt, good luck this weekend. Good luck the rest of the way.

I can't wait to see these things in action both outside and at the stadium. Whether it's this trip or the next one. You guys are here all the time. We are lucky to host that. Know that the city of Indianapolis is very thankful that you guys come. We love it. It's packed downtown. I mean, it is... It's wonderful for the city and obviously it's electrifying. Why don't you go win that thing, Colt? Oh, I'd love it. It's packed downtown. I mean it is it's wonderful for the city and obviously it's electrifying. Why don't you go win that thing, Colt. Come on Colt. Let's do it. I would love to. I would love to. Thank you boys. One up by Saturday night. Yeah, let's do it. You do it. Yeah, let's do it.

Us, we. Hey you stay right there. Hold on, hold on, don't leave yet. Fair enough. It's a team sport thing. I don't know if you guys do this. We're not gonna do that. No, come on. We had a great week. We hope you did as well We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living boys in the back. Great work this week Graphics department way to go boy Mids really been picking up some jobs here. Yeah, it's been picking up some jobs this week, which we appreciate Talks a table way to go this week. You too. you angler you. You too man, yeah I'm gonna get back on that lake. Yeah you taught that. I love that. Can you touch that coat? You an angler? You're from Oklahoma? You fish? Every now and then, you know what I mean? Went in Rome. Hunt? Fish? A little bit of hunting, a little

bit of fishing. I don't go back to Oklahoma very often but when I do, my buddy that's all he does. You're still country fuck. This is the man you're sitting with. This guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Take that in. That's called a championship right there. Toyota. He did not know that. Got my Corolla outside.

I love it. That's actually Mr. Van Dam, the greatest fisherman of all time. Great work this week, Talks at the Table. You too, F. One half of the greatest fish of the whole time. Great work this week, Talks at Table. You too, F. Right back at you. One half of the hammer, die! Ballpark boys, or ball cap boys. Just boys. Boys, maybe.

AP Tone, hey great work this week. You debuted a new you. Yeah, baby Tone. Thank you. He put a cowboy hat in the middle of COVID because he was a COVID cowboy. And this is the week he decided not to wear it every single day.

So then he decided he needs to throw it back on for Friday. I think mostly because he did not love having to be a ball cap boy there for a few days. I think he's falling in love with the cowboy hat. And I think it's- Thank you, I appreciate that. That's an Oklahoma thing? Yeah.

Why don't you wear a twisted t-shirt? We got a guy that runs a cowboy hat 24 seven. It's like his thing. He's known as a cowboy. Aaron Plessinger, he rocks the cowboy hat hat. He's a dog great mullet. Yeah, great great. I think I follow him on socials Yeah, he's a good good dude. He's the man. So you don't want to bite his gimmick. Yeah You're from Oklahoma. They fucking wear cowboy. I know I know he already he already had that thing though So I see from just come in throwing the cowboy hat on like I'm copying APD.

I understand, I understand. Trying to build your own brain. I'm gonna break both my fucking arms, Aaron, doing that. I don't think so. I don't think so. New friend of the program, Colt Nichols. Thank you, Colt. Alright, we're gonna get the hell out of here and enjoy the weekend. We'll see you on Monday. It's gonna be a great show lot of shit is about to happen be a friend tell a friend something nice

It might change their life. We're in this thing together. Never forget it team on me team on three One two three three three. It is okay. Goodbye. I was late