The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1311 - The Madness Continues, Daniel Jeremiah, John Calipari, Michael Lombardi, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

On today’s show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat last night’s two play in games that saw Alabama State beat St. Francis on a hailmary buzzer beater in the first game, and North Carolina beat the hell out of San Diego St. in the second game in a result that surprised absolutely no one after all the controversy of them getting into the tournament field. They also discuss the new rule proposals in the NFL, and continue their Aaron Rodgers watch as it seems the Vikings are officially not interested. Joining the progrum to chat more about the NFL Draft and some of the movement in his latest mock drafts, where Jaxon Dart might end up going, and the Big 12 combine at the Cowboys practice facility in Frisco Texas is former NFL scout and current NFL Draft guru for the NFL Network, Daniel Jeremiah. Next, one of the GOAT’s, National Champion, 6 Final Four appearances, countless conference tournament championships, the current Head Coach of the Arkansas Razorbacks, John Calipari joins the show ahead of their tilt against Kansas tomorrow night in the NCAA tournament to chat about his team and the way they’ve evolved this year, what they need to do to win, how playing in a tough league prepares you for the tournament, what the schedule is like leading into the tournament, playing against coaches you’re familiar with, and more. Later, 3x Super Bowl Champion, current GM of the North Carolina Tar Heels, Michael Lombardi joins the show to chat about all the happenings during free agency, when a GM would need to know Aaron Rodgers’ decision by, his thoughts on the JFK files, why UNC ultimately decided to pass on the offseason Hard Knocks, and much more. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’re off the next two days for the NCAA Tournament. Enjoy all the games, we’ll see you Monday. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode the Thunderdome on this March Madness Eve Wednesday March 19 2025 this program starts Madness Is on the horizon and boy it has already happened last night two playing games in the first one that kicked off the entire March Madness the entire NCAA tournament. Who's gonna punch their ticket to be able to dance with everybody else? Well, it started with St. Francis and Alabama State and it was electrifying. Big shot after big shot, big defensive stand. There was a couple like can't dribble a basketball moments, but that is gonna happen in college

hoops and inevitably the game ended with a Hail Mary from Alabama State. 68-68 St. Francis ties it you're gonna win. Hail Mary full of grace to take down a Catholic school. 0.7 seconds left 70-68 and the entire tournament started off with a bang. It was a fun watch. Lefkoe was in his bag last night. It's gonna be great to watch him from the tournament headquarters. Can't wait to see him navigate through all the different storylines. And then North Carolina, the team that shouldn't have got in. Mm. Okay.

You're talking Qualcomm, Windsor, and Rolton. Huh? Bubba Cunningham, their athletic director. In that convening, he's the head of the selection committee. Hmm. Isn't that interesting? You think he's got any say? Do you think they want to make him happy?

Well, I was in the room whenever it happened. Okay, West Virginia gets screwed. So bad, their coach actually just gets poached to Indiana University. Ooh. West Virginia's in a bad spot. Men's basketball, women's basketball. Look out, West Virginia women are about to go

and win this and they're actually playing TBD. That's how good they are. Wow. They don't even know who they're playing against. They don't even know who they're playing against. You gotta be good to not even know who you're playing against. That's the West Virginia women's basketball team, men's basketball team, screwed by the selection committee,

and then their coach leaves with their kid. Okay, that's good. Now Indiana obviously is a basketball haven, a place that is historically known for hoops. I mean, this state loves basketball. Now that's why Kurt Signetti goes down there and wins in football. And everybody that's an IU fan goes,

we didn't even know this was possible. We're a basketball team, we're a basketball state, we're a basketball school. We haven't gone anywhere really of importance in basketball in a while. This football team comes in and ignites a fan base that has been waiting to go crazy for sports. Now they bring in DeVries and I'm going to say this.

He is a maybe public enemy number one right now at West Virginia. Robert Cunningham kind of got jot down a bit. DeVries is now a public enemy number one. That's going to happen. This guy became the head coach of West Virginia less than a year ago. I met him at Rich Rod's press conference. He was cool, dude. He was good conversation. Thought he was going to do some special things with West Virginia.

And obviously him saying that it was gonna take something special for him to leave Drake to go to West Virginia and his opening press conference and talk about building something special and all that type of stuff. And then leaving after one year, especially with what just happened by the NCAA

to the West Virginia basketball team and how West Virginia people are feeling to begin with, not very well received in the state of West Virginia. You know, and Governor Morris, he's thinking about suing. You know, maybe Indiana for a little tampering, because there was a Twitter account on March 12th, 2025, IU anonymous Twitter account that says, IU's already got a deal done with their next coach.

Media follow-up tweet, it's the Vries. Media follow-up, he's already in transfer portal. Now, that could be all bullshit. That could be somebody just taking a shot in the dark. But there were stories and agendas being pushed last night from the West Virginia people that are making this guy an enemy. OK, this DeVries guy is an enemy in West Virginia. With that being said, this guy's a really good ball coach,

which is why everybody in West Virginia is so bad. The West Virginia basketball situation has been a revolving door you know so to even be in a position to potentially get screwed in a big snub in the history of the tournament I think West Virginia people are like we're going in the right hey this is going in the right direction with the right guy so the reason why they hate him so bad is because of how good of a coach this guy is and you know the more you think about it especially with his boy coming down here still is your eligibility didn't play a lot this year

hold on people talking about that interesting he's a he's a player he's a damn good player and you think about the way he coaches the way he operates the way he talks it's like I think Indiana fans are really gonna like this guy with that being said North Carolina shouldn't have got in. But everybody that was talking on the television on selection Sunday said, North Carolina should not be in this tournament. After the bracket got released, they see who they're playing, they go, they are gonna beat this other team though that is certainly in there.

And they did. I mean, they won by 27 last night. West Virginia would have won by 28. But North Carolina didn't make this thing close at any point and I assume and we talked about this earlier with Talks at Table at Ty Schmidt at Boston Connor the San Diego State Aztecs basketball team was probably a bit frustrated not only with this program but a governor of a state. Oh yeah. How everybody was kind of talking about it. Yeah you assume the Aztecs are the team that's looking around like hey Hey, do we have to do this right now? You know, maybe we wait until it's the, you know, elite eight or something

for all the bitching and moaning for the UNC tar heels getting in because they're the ones that had to deal with it. They're the ones that had to deal with UNC not being able to miss a shot. It's not like San Diego state stinks, you know, at all. They, you know, cess big thing yesterday was, Hey, look out San Diego State can play defense UNC put 95 on them. So can they play defense probably but unfortunately for San Diego State, you know The entire country basically told UNC they still get basketball and UNC said is that right and we're gonna go out and score 95 points one of the nation's best defenses and now you know personally I'm gonna have to go back I typically write my

Brackets and pen I don't with this UNC team. They're probably gonna go to the elite eight final four shit They might win the national champion bigger for UNC and obviously obviously we're part of that We are we are Text we saw on us that is it is a hundred percent on us That is on us. That is 100% on us. With that, you know, notion there, they're a hungry team, they shot better than I've ever seen. This North Carolina team might be a team that you don't want to dance with.

So I wonder what the West Virginia team would have done. Because if you start talking about quad one wins, this North Carolina team, they didn't have any quad. What did we took quad? No quads. They had no barn, they had no land, they had no quad, they had no wheels. They had nothing. They didn't deserve to get in, that's all they were told. Hey, you guys stink against good teams.

Hey, in big games you guys can't play. They're saying UNC shouldn't even be in the tournament. All week that was basically being said. And they showed up. Got some dogs on that team, I feel like. I feel like they got some dogs. And a lot of us are gonna ask, a lot of people are gonna ask,

yeah, a lot of people are gonna ask like, hey, how come all year maybe, I was like, maybe they ignited something here and became the best selves. And good luck, UNC. Champion, good luck UNC. What a show. What a show, that was over very early.

They were up 20, about six minutes into that thing. And it was like, okay Yeah, this seems like this is Directed somebody and I don't know if it was AI or not, but I think in a locker room they were They were okay letting people know like I'm not supposed to be here. Oh, yeah, you got an angry team We'll talk we'll show you the conversation. We had with coach Calipari of Arkansas he tips off tomorrow night. He will be joining us on this program, we talked to him earlier.

It's like, you know, it's not about what you've done, it's about who you are right now. And who's hot, who's up, who's ready to go. And is it UNC because of the whole world doubting everything they're about? Potentially, good for them. One half of the hammer, done. Cowboys, AP Tone is here.

I know through Boston Connors' gambling account, the underdogs now 0 and 2 to start March Madness after last night's affair. Yeah, the underdogs are 0 and 2. The unders are also 0 and 2. Obviously, North Carolina almost covered the over by themselves there. And then that just rapid stretch down the end

in the St. Francis and it's Bama game. Like that one was under until like they didn't miss like the last two minutes and 30 seconds. They almost like there was a turnover too, but they didn't miss. They were hitting step back threes. So both games went over last night. Both underdogs did not win.

And that is the story of the tournament so far as gambling is concerned. Yeah, cause normally a little tight early, so not many points. Maybe that'll be when the tournament actually starts. Obviously we have two more playing games today, I do believe. Can't wait to watch the boys get after it, especially after how last night's games went. I mean this Alabama State St. Francis game was awesome.

Yeah. Had no dog in the fight at all. But when you're watching it's like I like both these teams. Kind of the way they're playing, the way they were answering. And then obviously it ending with a Hail Mary is such a wonderful way to start is that a sign of what this tournament's going to be like? Is that a sign of what this particular March Madness is going to be or is the North Carolina game the uh sign of what this tournament's going to be because that was literally the two sides of the coin there

we have a thrilling electrifying Hail Hail Mary actual winner. And then we have a blowout from the beginning of the game. And that's March Madness, baby. This is March? This is March. This is March. This is March. This is March.

It's not anarchy. It's college basketball. This is March. I left a guy last night in his bag. He was in his bag. Point, right there, he was in there. He was dishing. Jalen, Coach Wright, who's the director? Oh god, I watched it. I do not remember who it was. Coach, I think it's an old

coach maybe. It's an old coach. I just forget his name. He's the director. He had a lot of thoughts. Jalen on there was fresh air, always. Jalen's always going gonna have fresh cut. And then Coach Wright down there, they showed the replay of the Hail Mary and Jaylen's like, oh, screaming. And Jay Wright's just like looking down at the screen here. And then they showcased whenever his team, I guess, if Ilanova hit a game winner, and he just was on for the national championship. Yeah. And he just didn't even just like kind of kept it cool or whatever. And Jay Wright said, I was looking at the clock See how much time was left. It's like always coaching And these guys got a tough task a lot of teams a lot of stories a lot of players a lot of conspiracies

So good luck keeping it all on track boys, and we also need to learn about all these guys, too So if a little piece of information drops out of the mouth, too, that's obviously very welcomed They'll obviously pull that Davis was the other one I know Seth Davis hoops on the internet. That's him. Yeah, okay. Okay. I should have known that that's on me great show I appreciate it. I was watching last night throughout it all kicking off a wonderful time in the sports calendar March Madness We'll be off tomorrow and Friday because we'll be watching games just like you will be that's what we've learned in the past. Mm-hmm. We are watching the games just like you will be. That's what we've learned in the past. We are screaming in an empty room when we are doing the show during March Madness. People are either watching the games and our voices in the

background or we're doing a show about something that isn't college basketball and all we're doing is watching the games right here. So just for the good of all parties involved there is something to watch tomorrow during the afternoon and it'll be electrifying. And let's learn about some of these teams maybe. You know, like American University tonight needs you to do it. Yeah. Need American to go on a run. 2025, we need that to happen. They will. Xavier, Texas, it's like hard for me to just believe Texas is just going to let that one be an easy out, you know, especially in the big moment in the prime time. Xavier ready for it we shall see and we're excited for March Madness we can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this

for a living we'll be watching the game tomorrow pretty sick place oh yeah I think it should be good great time I think it should be good we're gonna enjoy the beginning of March Madness just like everybody else is and remember you don't have to work it's's March Madness. Ha ha! Well said. Joining us now ladies and gentlemen from a completely different world is the NFL. He's known as the combine and draft guy because he watches film of every single human that plays college football.

He's moved the sticks. He's currently down in Dallas for the Big 12 Pro Day. Ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Jeremiah. Yay, DJ! How are you, bud? What's up, boys? You wanna see what we got here? Sure. Hold on. Yeah, sure. How are you, bud? What's up, boys? You want to see what we got here? Sure.

Hold on. Yeah, sure. Ooh, Jerry World! What's going on there? Yeah, we got Big 12 Pro Day, like you mentioned. So we're going to be on here three hours on NFL Network, so we'll have all of that covered for you here. So it'll be fun.

I believe that starts in about 18 minutes or so, or maybe even longer. We appreciate you taking time. Is this something the players that weren't invited to the combine now basically have a big 12th combine? So yeah, just like it's just traditional pro day where we used to go out to all the schools and the guys that were at the combine have their choice, whether they want to work out or not. And then the guys who didn't get a chance to work out,

get their chance. So instead of going to Waco, to Baylor, and going to Fort Worth to TCU and West Virginia everywhere else they just all they all combine here in at the star here in Frisco. So it's a good chance for scouts do everything all at once. West Virginia doesn't have a pro day? No none of these guys do. It's part of the part of the deal is just with the big 12 they wanted to make it one big event so we've got three hours of coverage of this thing for two days. By the way, who's coaching your basketball team, Pat?

Oh geez. Shut up, DJ. Okay. I don't need to hear that right now. And you know, you know that that UNC team who won by 27 last night did not deserve to be out. Let's talk about some ball shall we? You just put out your third mock draft I do believe 3.0 and it seems like you and everybody else that's mock drafting have the first four the exact same. Is that because you're all getting information you're all seeing the board the same way? Why do you think the front or the beginning

of this draft has kind of settled in seemingly? Yeah, I don't know. I don't think there is, you know, broad consensus right now. I think probably more of a coincidence that we end up having them where we have them at this point in time. So I just can't more go in number one is something when you're talking to people around the league that that just has become more of the expectation. I do feel good about that. You know, whether that's Tennessee or whether that's, you know, two or three trying to move up to that first spot. But that's the one

that I feel the most confident. After that, I still think it's, you know, it's pretty up in the air. With Cleveland, I just was going through the different conversations that you would have inside the draft room. And I was thinking, you know, like I've been in those where you say, okay, would you rather have Shadour Sanders at two and maybe like Nick Skorton and Edgresher from A&M in the second round or would you rather take Abdul Carter and then maybe, you know, one of those next tier of quarterbacks in the second round? And I thought, man, the allure of Abdul Carter, what I think of him as you know, I think he's the best player in the draft. And then to come back with whether that's Jackson Dart, Tyler Shuck, your guy Will Howard,

whoever you like in that second tier, that could be an option. I mean, I do think the Browns and the Giants leave the second round with a quarterback. It's just a matter of whether they take him at the top of one or whether they take him in round number two. Okay, so let's talk about the Browns a little bit.

I think Tone Red yesterday might've been in your mockup or somebody else's. The thought of pairing Abdul Carter and Miles Garrett together on that defense aside is certainly a winning recipe for defense. If you can get to the quarterback, disrupt the quarterback and take over games on defense aside, obviously you can win. Now if they're able to get a young quarterback as well, somebody that they like that they think they can win.

It's like look at the Cleveland Browns trying to balance and battle while still having to do the entire Deshaun Watson contract. Maybe they'll be able to pull it off. Okay, so we got Abdul Carter potentially teaming up with Miles Garrett. Good luck, AFC North. Offense alignment and quarterbacks. Now let's move to a couple of the other picks because we know you don't have a lot of time.

Connor has a question for you. Yeah, DJ Travis Hunter at four obviously has a Patriots fan that's exactly what I'm hoping for especially with how free agency has gone for New England when it comes to weapons but one of the things with Travis Hunter a lot of people have been talking about is hey he can play corner and then maybe come in for the red zone get a few snaps at wide receiver. I was kind of hypothesizing that you know maybe he's a full-time wide receiver number one and then comes in on the red zone on defense kind of locks one guy up is that something teams are talking about and making him wide

receiver one and then using him on defense and you know a couple man packages and also do you see him to New England like can I buy the jersey tomorrow what do you think well if he does get there I don't think he gets by your guys so that was you know I think if you're a Patriot fan you're hoping these two quarterbacks go before you pick and then you're either gonna get one of those guys you're gonna get Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, elite elite players. I think with Travis it's the unique part about him the special part is it's different for different teams of how you'd use them. I do think it's easier to major in defense and minor in offense, but looking where the

Patriots are corner and where they are receiver right now, if he were to go to that specific team, I think I would say, look, you're full time offense and we'll find some spots for you, whether it's some third downs, you know, different packages and we'll sprinkle you in on defense. But I don't know how you look at Drake May and say, you know, this guy that we got, who's better than anybody else at the position on our team, we're only going to use him part time. I don't think that would make sense. Yeah. And if you're a special talent at catching the ball, which he is, and getting open, which he is in understanding football, which he is,

you know, it's a good weapon to have on the outside. But to your point about sprinkling him in on defense, this has been Connor's kind of pitch here because you got him gonzo and Carlton Davis I think that's what I'm saying and Carlton Davis So if you got red zone or third down you can kind of you would hope clamp three people and then with the running world that we're in right now that is a and Vrebo understands is more than maybe anybody because of the way he was Used in New England of it all it's like I like that play a lot Especially with gonzo and Carlton Davis like you assume because of how good Travis Hunter is that catching the ball you can kind of

Try and make teams throw it his way like you can just leave gonzo on his own You can double whoever Carlton Davis is on and it's like okay try and throw it on Travis Hunter And if he's as good as yeah, maybe he's not that good. Maybe that's why You know five six picks in the red zone this year. Okay, let's move away from this. Ty has a question for you, DJ. Yeah, DJ, I know you have Jackson Dart going 21 to the Steelers, but a lot of other mocks and, you know, draft analysts have had him really rising up boards and going in like the top 10, top 15. Do you think that's gonna be something that we kind of see as we get closer to the draft?

What are the odds that Jackson Dart actually goes at like the top half of the first round? Yeah, I think it's up in the air. I don't think anybody knows, but it is interesting this late in the free agency process that you have a couple teams out there with glaring needs at the quarterback position. So Pittsburgh at this point in time, if they don't get Aaron Rodgers, I think they got to do a lot of homework on these guys, whether that's, you know,

Dart, Tyler Shuck, whoever. But I just can't see them going into the season with just Mason Rudolph as their guy. You know, to me, that's why I ended up putting Dart there, assuming that Aaron Rodgers does end up in Pittsburgh. And even if he does he does I mean how many years that's going to buy you If you if you love one of these these quarterbacks go ahead and take him anyways, but you know I don't have him as a top 10 player I think he's like, you know in the 30s or early 40s on my top 50 list But you know when you're a team out there and he's better than what you got. He's gonna go

He's got the moxie too. I think, you know, that is. The more we watch of Jackson, the more highlights we watch, the more we like him, I think as an NFL QB. And maybe that's- It reminds me of Hertz, man. That's my comparison, which is kind of off the wall, it's kind of weird, but with Jalen Hertz, he got better every single year in college.

He was athletic, he was smart, he was tough. And you're kind of just betting that it's all gonna continue continue on that trend line and it obviously hurts it's gone that way in a big way. But that's kind of the, you know, that's the thought process. If you're a Jackson Dart team, that's what you're hoping for. Good luck to all parties, including Jackson Dart. They do, all these schools still have their pro days left, like Jackson still has his pro day, and I wonder, is pro day season starting today Yeah, Alabama's today. I heard Milro's gonna run too So I'm curious to see because he looks fast as heck when you're when you're watching them play So I'm wondering if he gets under 4-4 that wouldn't shock me. Oh

Milro running 4-3 something would be by the way, the Cowboys do it right man the coffee even get the They brand everything around here. Yeah, the Cowboys do it right, man. The coffee even get the uh, they brand everything around here. Yeah, the building is very nice, too. I know it's been built now a little bit long ago, but the upkeep in the professionalism, obviously that booth is the best booth in every stadium that there exists. Well, this is, but this is like the star. So this isn't like their main stadium. This is just that other smaller stadium where they play high school games in here, uh, all kinds of different events. So maybe, I'm guessing maybe ten maybe eight to ten thousand seat will place it like you want more shot at it here yeah I thought that was

actually Jerry world you're saying that's a that's a that's a mock Jerry world what the heck still Jerry it's a little baby baby Jerry world Stevens world is that um is that where they practice? I don't you know, I don't know that I don't know if they do practice. It's right. It's you know, it's in Frisco So it's not near the stadium. It's in a total different area of town. So Yeah, it might maybe this I get you know what? I bet you this is where they practice when they did hard knocks here that year. They were in here Yeah, I'm getting the thumbs up Rhett Lewis gave me the thumbs up in the back that they do.

Oh Rhett, you tell Rhett oldie, Indiana's getting a good ball coach, a good basketball. He says you're getting a good basketball coach at IU. Yeah, shut up Rhett. I like IU people. I married into an IU family. This is an interesting situation. Hey Rhett, you tampered allegedly.

Okay, I don't like that at all. A lot of tampering charges Rhett, a lot of tampering charges. Allegedly, please make sure you say allegedly. Yeah, allegedly, allegedly. Okay. I don't like that at all. What a tampering charges read a lot of tampering charges That is very important before I'm not trying to get you in any hot water We'll see on this particular program. It seems like it happens more often than not tone digs has a question for you here DJ Yeah, DJ We're looking at your mock yesterday and we were talking about offensive lineman and we saw Will Campbell, you know in yours and a couple others Potentially following 210 or out of the the top 10 and you have membu going 7 but just for O lineman total

I believe in the first round and there was 8 last year 4 in the top 14 last year Is it just a we're we're speculating is it just a down year for offensive linemen or is it just that the other positions are that there's more talent at other positions too this year? Yeah I would say it's a little bit of a down year but there are some names that just missed you know towards the bottom of that mock draft that you know we can easily see a couple more guys pop in there so I wouldn't you know I wouldn't say that it's going to be a firm number where we are there. I could see a couple more guys, but no, in terms of the high end, no, it's not where it's been in years past. And with Memboo and Will Campbell, I think that's going to be split. You're going to have half teams have one guy, half have the other, but it's hard to get out of your mind what you saw with Memboo

watching him run and move around at that size, how young he is, and someone, you know, if you're the Jets and need a right tackle, like that's what he is. He's plug and play, you know, coming off of a regime that came over with Aaron Glenn from Detroit taking a right tackle on Penne Soule and off to the races they went there. So that one made a lot of sense to me. Yeah, offensive linemen, that's why they're potentially why so so many offensive linemen paid, you know, guys we never heard of because they potentially don't get to the market bingo and also draft class You know that kind of all goes hand in hand with free agency and draft class, you know, what do you need? What is available who and where is it available at Jalen Milro just ran his 40?

Shout out to the next round at next round live here in Alabama He looks absolutely jocked from a couple of videos that I watched I I bought it I don't know if we're anywhere near a four three. Oh Taking the over anywhere near is obviously Yeah, you know four four four four three four five. Yeah, four five to a four three is obviously in person I'll text you I'll text you within the next 15 minutes and get you the time from somebody there He is so jacked. Oh my god Here's a second 40 here from the side go back so we can give the credit to the people that we lit

This is from Henry Sklar He looks like a tight end yes He's covering ground though. He's covering ground covering ground Pat okay so what is your guess there I'm watching that eyeballing that eyeballing it on grainy Wi-Fi that I'm on I'm gonna go with 49 449 I think that's probably a pretty good I have no idea literally my Wi-Fi it's just like this da da da da da. Well, us too, yeah. It's a world we're in right now. I think, in my head, it's like that looks like a four-five.

In my head, it looks like a four-five, but there's no way Jalen Milrow's running a four-five. You know? So like what you said there is probably the right, yeah, four-four-eight, four-four-nine. He's into four-fours, because he's Jalen Milrow in my mind, and where I've seen him on the field.

But it didn't look like that was a four, three, anything, four, four, one, you know, four, four flat right there. And we sound like assholes. Yeah, that's it. That is very fast, nonetheless. Any other storylines we need to be talking about? DJ, anything you're hot on? I'm anxious to see what happens with the receivers, man,

and how they come off the board. I think there's a lot of discrepancy, you know, talking to people around the league of how they have these guys stacked. I'm a Matthew Golden fan. You know, him running 429 didn't hurt from that standpoint. I think the book is going to run faster than people think it is pro day. McMillan had his pro day the other day and times, you know, everybody I talked to 453, 456 in that range. So I'm curious to see how those guys end up coming off the board when it's all said and done.

Yeah, DJ, I did, cause I heard you and Bucky talking about Tech Mammillan and what would he run? Is that four or five, three? Is that like, do you think that'll hurt him or people watch the tape and they're like, okay, that's cool. We can take him where we thought we would. I think it was a little bit better than what the expectation was. So from that standpoint, it's a positive, but I always tell people that, saying where these guys are gonna get picked is not the same as saying the type of career

they're gonna have, but historically, guys that run a four fives, I think the last receiver to run over a four five and be picked in the top 15 was Mike Evans in 2014. So, you know, it's just that, no question, but it's been a while and historically teams don't take guys That high in the draft that don't have the supporting time So it's getting different as the longer you do this and the more GPS is involved and everybody has all their play speed

You know in-game numbers That that I think will start to change but that's the recent history that we have Yeah and obviously those comps are certainly a necessity to deciding whether or not somebody's gonna have success or not. Let's go back to Jalen Milrose 40s. The first one, SEC Network was saying

it was in between four, five to four, five, two. And then his second run was four, four, four between four, four, four and four, four, six. So he ran like a... I think if you average those out pads probably was the time that I gave have a great day Pat it's not a hobby buddy have a have a great day down there at the baby star and make sure you give these big 12 guys love I don't love that we don't have individual pro days why crazy I didn't

how long has this been happening wait is Shadur and Travis working out there they're here we're gonna have been the booth tomorrow I think we're gonna have Shador and Travis in the booth tomorrow. Coach Prime is gonna be here so we'll visit with him. So I just assumed Shador was gonna do a pro day where it was gonna be. Yeah he's not he's not he's not going to be working out here but tune in for the interview if you do me a favor. Can't wait for your questions man. Ladies and gentlemen move the sticks host of the big 12 pro day on NFL Network and the combine Dana Jeremiah no offense to this particular conference but that's

some Mac shit yeah it is for sure not having your own pro day at least people will watch tomorrow it's like one o'clock nothing's really going on it's perfect for a pro day yeah it is a good time to schedule it. Yeah. What is the deal? That's why people care. It's just different in the Big 12, baby. I understand that like the ability to get everybody in front of scouts is a good play

for the entire conference, you know? But it does sound Mickey Mouse that scouts won't travel to your school to come watch you do your thing at your thing. Like how are these, you know, all these workouts we see that are choreographed at these pro days are all happening at their school because like that is their place with their people and everything like that. So West Virginia said we don't need that. Big 12 said you guys don't need any comfort in any of these things.

You need to go do it with everybody else. Just like at the combine where you didn't know any of these people, you're doing it again. It's like, what is the, I don't love that. Alabama football said it was four three seven. Okay. I love it. Okay. I like that, too Okay, congrats. I had to be the second one. Yeah, and congratulations to Jaylen Milroy running into four three He's got some hell. Yeah, we anywhere from four four four to four four six four three seven And the first one was I think he maybe didn't hit it as clean So four three seven Alabama saying, okay. Which once again, if you watched him play football would make sense.

No doubt. It would be like, okay. Yeah. If they would have said this was 432 before we watched either of those forties would have been like, yep. Yep. That is Jalen Milro because when he's on a field, he is fashion everybody. That is just how it goes, which is why, you know,

the quarterback conversation is an interesting one because with the ball in his hands, when he's running, he is very strong, he is very elusive, and he's faster than everybody on the field. So it's like, how can we get the ball in this guy's hands, you know, while he tries to develop his quarterback, if that's what they're thinking and I don't like having this convo especially because people are saying around Lamar Jackson not us but

people were saying that about Lamar in what Lamar has become is top passer one of the top pastors in the entire NFL so it's like I would never but there's not a lot of Lamars out there you know like Lamar is a incredibly talented one-of-one type athlete and player. So it's like, what does Jalen Milro want to do? Does Jalen Milro only want to play quarterback? Does Jalen Milro want to potentially explore other options to get on the field while also developing as a quarterback? Like, taste some Hill, dude. You know, like there is, there's a lot of opportunities, I think, for a guy that's this athletic. Because just saying he's not going to be an NFL guy because he's not an NFL quarterback

at this moment, I think, kind of undercuts the thing that this is an NFL athlete. Like, this guy is an NFL football player. Like, no questions asked. He's an NFL football player. So it's like, what ends up happening with Jalen Milroy will be a funny, a fun story to kind of follow along with. Well, and if he goes somewhere where he doesn't have to start right away, like Lamar has gotten better every year he's been in the NFL.

So you know, I mean, if he has the opportunity to sit behind someone and he just has a couple packages, like you said, like this is a guy who could rush for a 70 yard touchdown at any point in a game. So it's like, it's not like you're asking him to go out there and throw it 30 times to beat a team. If he gets the opportunity and he continues to get better, like that could happen. A couple packages. Yeah, packages too.

A couple packages. And those packages, you know, they start having success. We just keep that package. Yeah, exactly. We just keep that package in here. I'm happy that Jalen Milro ran fast there. That first one did not look fast, the first video that we saw.

It looked like he was jogging. That didn't look, yeah, and at the end, he was just kind of cruising. It's like, if that's Jalen Milroy running at his full speed that's even more dangerous that he's just cruising. Yeah. Like it's just no problem. Second one I guess much faster 437 is what Alabama's saying shout out to them. It's all maybe they have the laser though maybe they're the ones that are like you guys are all wrong maybe that is different thumbs but a lot of those guys that are on the 40 They've been doing that for like 50 years the guy that was at the specialist combine

He's already been doing the hang time for kickers and punters for I think 40 years. That's combined still got it by the way Oh, yeah, still got it. The thumbs important who's on the clock is important Alabama saying 437 and if you watch him play football, you'd say yeah, I agree with that You see we had dinner with last night? He's being with Steelers. Coach Toml. You got Mason Rudolph over there. Do have Mace.

Okay. Rogers ain't gonna like that. I know that. First cam Heyward now they're meeting with quarterbacks. Uh-uh, I don't think so. Okay, we don't know if any of that's true. Could be. What we did hear this morning was the Minnesota Vikings will not be pursuing Aaron Rodgers. That's kind of been I think what is being

understood as the hold-up in this entire convo is maybe Aaron once again. We have heard nothing from Aaron. Yes. Okay. Is Aaron still want to play? We have no idea. We assume by now he would know if he wanted to play. You would assume but that's a massive decision for somebody that's committed his entire he's 40 plus years old he's committed his whole life to football I mean this would be the last like that's a massive decision to have to make especially for the last team you're gonna play for if that is what he's contemplating and then as it continued to roll out it was like Aaron is literally trying to see how what all

the options are like are the Minnesota Vikings an option? And if they are an option, does that change a conversation at all? He said he's open to anything attached to nothing or open to everything attached to nothing. It seems like from what Tom Palacero's saying is the picture's getting a little bit clearer now. Cam Hayward said, you either want to be a steeler or you don't, dude.

And it's like, Cam, have you talked to, do we know if that's what Aaron's thinking? But the way it's been reported by the insiders who want the deets, they want the news, they wanna break it, they wanna do that whole thing, they wanna put a notch on the scoreboard, which that's their business, literally, and do what you gotta do.

But Aaron hasn't said shit, like he has not said anything. And then Schefter said people close to him are saying,'s like nobody close to Aaron really says anything and if they do say it it there's a chance Aaron does a complete opposite because something got it and the person that leaked that is gone forever like yeah there's not a lot of people that are in the Aaron circle that have any idea what has happened and we only know that because we've been on this ride for the past five six years you know and we have no fucking idea. So like AJ, I don't even think knows, you know, so this is uh,

It's all very interesting with Aaron. Always is. Always has been. But allegedly, seemingly, Tom Pellicero is reporting that the Vikings are at on the pursuit of Aaron Rogers. So maybe the picture does come into a little bit more focus, uh for Aaron Rogers. Yeah, we were we were always talking not from knowledge, but just guessing kind of what Aaron would do, and that's always a dangerous game. But this feels like, you know, not another teen movie where, you know, the Vikings were to bell it a ball,

and that's where he wanted to go. And the Steelers are this girl just sitting back who always wanted him, who always loved him, sitting in the back of the class. Didn't always. Yeah. It was like a day or two, and then then all of a sudden we ain't got time for this guy we just get very disrespected very quickly feel disrespected very

quickly amen kind of in our blood and Cam was born and raised in Pittsburgh his dad was a pit star iron head shout out iron head so and in camp live there for 15 years so he's kind of got that Yins or blood in him I think that's where he was speaking from but no I still think Aaron gives the Steelers the best chance to win I don't know if he wants to go Steelers or the Giants or you know He'll just walk off into that sweet beautiful, California sunset. Honestly the the retirement thing Has kind of starting to feel more like a Potential. Yeah, and that's just once again, we've not talked to him This is us just following all the other stories with him saying nothing

It has just been nothing said from him or his team and all these other teams putting out shit We want an answer and there is a chance with these insiders that the teams are like, can you apply some public? Pressure here that we want an answer sooner than later because obviously that does help everybody to know what's happening with their roster so It does feel like what if he does Love those walks on the beach at sunset true. What if he loves that towel draped around him? What if he loves the feeling of the water? Coming through his toe Mm-hmm

What if he loves the ability to just hop on his plane? Because he's the highest paid player in the history of the league and just go on a trip somewhere and disappear for two months. Never been able to do that in the fall. Heard there's whole different excursions of life in the fall. Oh yeah. Like there's a chance of that you know especially with the moons and the Halloween. I mean he might climb ever since September. That might be the best month for it. Yeah there's so back to Tone's point. A lot of people have been trying to put themselves into Aaron Rodgers shoes and trying to think for Aaron. That's just not possible.

That's a fool's tag. Don't do that. I don't think that is possible. This is a very different individual than anybody you've ever met before. All the greats are different. Like that is just how, they're different than normal human greats are different like that is just how they're different than normal you they are different than everybody else that

is why they become who they become and it's like this guy if you talk to any player that has played or coach that's coached against him I've been like certified brother this is one of the ones which is why this happens around the NFL every time Aaron does anything now the media and the fans They have their thoughts and narratives about him and you know some half-truths potentially are released that fuel those narratives for people and people feel the way they feel and he is certainly an Anomaly and we there's a lot of things he does that we go. Holy did not know humans Operate in that fashion like that is a legitimate thing, but that's who he is.

And I think that's part of the reason why he's so damn great. You know, he gets mocked and ridiculed a lot. And I bring this up because I think it's very important. He gets mocked and ridiculed a lot about the family, the family, the family, the family, the family. It's like, I think he's pushed all that shit away so that he could just be, like this guy, old school football player.

Like that is old school, hippie for sure. Brilliant too. Like if you, school to hippie for sure. Brilliant too. Like if you, I mean, what the cow and the celebrity jeopardy thing he did exactly. He could have mopped the floor with Mr. Wonderful. And Mr. Wonderful just so happened to be the one talking shit to the stupid jock. Football player.

You know, the stupid jock. I think you put anybody in those, in the celebrity realm. Now, I think Ken and the other guy that- Brad Rudder. And the guy that doubled down on everything that we love. Jimmy Holzhauer. Holzhauer. You put like the super duper trivia people in there.

I think Aaron's probably in trouble because those people have treated trivia like he has treated football. But people don't want to give him credit for how intelligent he is. And I would assume with everything we're learning now, via New York Times articles and other things he is feeling very empowered about his brain and his decisions and his ideas and opinions versus everybody else so

you know he's he's definitely an an oddity I will say because he's not there's nobody in nothing like him in any sport but there's a reason the teams want him and it's because he's a guy certified and if he was to just step away at this moment in my it's like maybe maybe even after years now and me saying there's no way this guy's retired this is his whole life literally his entire he goes and takes a trip he comes back guess what it's ball he does basically it's ball ball ball competing having a purpose having fulfillment having a reason like and everything like that Now gonna can you find all those things elsewhere? It's like I'm sure Aaron probably

Could but he loves spinning it. Yeah, tell that the end of the year He got his ass kicked last year. Not only was it the Achilles recovery. Remember he was in London. He got Auntie aunt yeah, and his knee and his ankle Yeah, and he jogs right back on the field doesn't miss a fucking play in London, he got Auntie Ant. Yeah. And his knee and his ankle, I think. Yeah. And he jogs right back on the field. Doesn't miss a fucking play, I don't think. Just goes right back out there at the age of 40. It's like, I don't, I'm intrigued by it now.

Now I'm interested. Like, what is this guy gonna do? I have no idea. Well, especially cause Shera did probably stank at the end of last year and just last year in general, cause they stunk, but he got to play with, you know, some of his closest guys. Lazard, obviously, but Devante, he got to do that entire thing again, and he wanted to play with Devante

Obviously it goes all the way back to the summer of them walking together and then being like you know We'll play together soon or something like that when someone yelled that at him and it would now make more sense especially with you know Pittsburgh's situation that maybe he doesn't want to go there anymore. California and Pittsburgh, a little different. They're not exactly the same towns. And you can't imagine that maybe not dealing with anything, the paparazzi and things of that nature. You wonder if he thinks if I wasn't playing football, are they just taking

pictures of me outside of my beach? Definitely when he's going around and walking- Buying his rocks. Yeah, buying his rocks around and, you know, walk. I was rocks. We are buying his rocks. Exactly. Getting them off all those things, but who knows if he actually will play. Okay.

So next hour we'll have AJ on. Hopefully he'll give us more answers, but now let's go to earlier today. We had a chance to catch up with coach Calipari of Arkansas right after he got done with mass. We'll see on his side. How do you feel about the team out there? Obviously big move out to Arkansas and the SEC this year has become the basketball

conference. How do you feel about your team and how do you feel about where you are with Arkansas right now? Well, you know we started 0 and 5 and everybody shoved us in the coffin and I made the statement they forgot to put the nails in. And our kids figured out a way to get us back in the hunt and by the end of the year we were playing really good basketball. And so I think we won five of our last six, six of our last seven, whatever it was, and we became that team. Now they, that we were all in a dark place now, every player I had.

And they had to win that battle first and understand that you're not defined by this stuff and what you need to do is work and you need to grind and you have to battle yourself. You have to win that battle before you worry about anybody else. And that's what we were about. I just was on that more than anything else. Little adversity early is good,

especially whenever you're trying to build a culture. You find out quickly who the guys are on your team. I know whenever you got there, you had no team. I think that was kind of the MO, the story. And let's go back in time. I think every chance we've got to talk to you, every time you've described a season for you, it's like at the beginning of the year, we didn't know how to play defense, basically.

That is kind of what you say. And then by the end of the year, we know how to play defense. Is that something you think that your team has done very well this year? And is that just the Calipari staple is like At the beginning of the year, maybe we don't understand how hard our defense is gonna be but that by tournament time What was his record 57 and 22 or something? Yeah in the tournament you guys are hell in the tournament Is it because the defensive side or where do you see the growth usually whenever it comes to your spots? My

Normally, I have a new team every year. Now everybody's having to do this unless they were to retain guys. We had about four teams in our league that retained all their guys. So they were way ahead and they still are. They're really good. But the reality of it is, for me, it's always a new team. My kids go pro, I got new guys, I got freshmen. We have the youngest team in the SEC. We're the youngest team. And so it takes time. New

team, young guys, you know, and then you walk into a murderer's row and your first three games are Tennessee, Florida and Mississippi and you get spanked. And now, well, we didn't get spanked. We were in two of those games, had a chance to win. But you lose. You lose. And now what you're hoping is, how do you keep building guys up? How do you keep challenging them? How do you keep making them uncomfortable so they can learn to be comfortable being uncomfortable?

How do you keep up? And you know, myself, I had to get out from under the covers myself like, oh my god, we're all in five. And we had to figure out what to do as a staff. My staff never wavered. They never wavered. And that's why we are here. These kids came together. They became one heartbeat because they had to. We lost our two leading scores and we were dying. Our two leading scores were out. I know no one says it and all that. We played without them. And now this team who was left said we're coming together. We're going to be a team. We're going to all do what we're supposed to. We have been playing seven guys for about three weeks now. Geez. Are the boys gonna be alright? Don't feel bad no one else feels bad. Hey are the boys gonna be alright? No one's feeling bad. That's a lot of that's a lot right I mean I know they're young okay they're college-aged guys and the season is what it is everybody's banged up at this time

of the season but not having a deep bench is like very that's tough right for whenever it comes tournament time and obviously I got some stats here this year 24th NCAA appearance okay 32 NCAA tournaments held all together okay so this fucker is the father 15 sweet 16 12 elite 8 6 final 4s obviously 2 NCAA runner-up it's like in tournament, don't you need depth? Is that something, or are you okay with your 7, with how the season ended? Don't tell anybody, but I only need 5.

That's all. So what'll happen is, if a couple guys aren't playing well, they'll just play less. At this time of the year, you're not worried about ego or anything else. It is survive and advance. It is you're playing in a tournament of four teams. We're here in Providence, a four-team tournament. If you can win this, you go to another four-team tournament.

It's going to be hard. Kansas, come on, Bill Self, he won his national championship against us and me! We won our national championship against them! And so we've won at Allen. They had won in our place and now we're playing again. Bill and I, when I left Kansas, he followed me at Kansas. So he went into the role I was in. Unbelievable what he's done in every program, the culture he's built, all that stuff.

And he and I are friends. I hate that play people that I consider friends or know well. I'd rather there's all these teams. Why you got to put me against him first game? so we know what we're up against let's talk about that actually tone from Plumboro has a question for you yeah coach so I mean let's just say things go great and you go through Bill self and then sitting on the other side is coach Bettino like and you talk about your 14 bracket as far as coaches go is are those two of the tough as you can probably go through?

Sure, but don't forget about Omaha now. I know, I know. They had a hell of a year. Hypothetically. And I'm being honest, I have not, I'm not worried about anything but this Kansas game. And I knew in our little corner, our tournament, you look at it and you say, wait a minute, there's a lot of tournament wins in that corner. And so we all getting our teams prepared to play.

Look, in this thing normally, like the game last night, who has the ball last? That's usually who wins. And they threw that thing the length of the court and the ball went in and they won. That's what this tournament is. It's crazy. Yeah, hell man. And you look and say, wait a minute, it fumbled. He threw it up.

Oh, okay. And that's what it is. So I'm not worried about that. The question is good. I respect Rick. I respect Rick. I respect Bill. We've all been doing this a long time. This should be fun.

I want our kids to understand that enjoy this and go for it. Show who you are. Have people watching the TV and say, man, they play hard. Man, they have fun. Look at them. How do they play together if we get that done? That's all you can ask for as a coach you can change your life in March Madness as a hoop You know you can change everything especially with you know what you're cooking out there in Arkansas this sets a culture up for Hopefully the next ten years or 30 families

I believe is the amount of people that you were trying to change going into this Yeah, 30 would be 30 would be nice But again, you know here's what it is I'm coaching in college and I have someone's child But at the end of the day I can only lead them to water. They got to go drink They got to go do this, but it doesn't mean I care any less. And there's a lot of individual meetings. There's a lot of meetings about, kid, you're battling yourself. You ain't battling me. You're not worried about... You gotta win that battle first. And then

go on. And that's what I like about this team. It doesn't guarantee success. It doesn't guarantee a win. But I'm gonna tell you this., the other guarantees a loss where you haven't won that battle or the minute the first raindrop hits, you cave in. And we had no business the way, they gave us a 0% chance of making the NCAA tournament. So why not go for it? Why not try to do something interesting? Why not be the story? I said at the beginning of the year, I'm writing another story and I'm on the first chapter. Well, let's see how this chapter ends. I hope it doesn't

end on Thursday, but it may. But I've had fun coaching these teams. I've learned about myself as a coach because you have all this success and what you end up thinking is, well because you coach, you're going to succeed. No! Sometimes there's a bad match, sometimes you have injuries, sometimes other things go on. Can you coach now? It's easy. We won 38 straight games.

The hard thing was keeping everybody happy. We won 38 games a few different times. Totally different than what I went through this year. And I'll tell you, there are other coaches that went through the same thing this year and I've grabbed those guys and said, you did a great job. You know why? His team was still playing. They were still playing hard. They were still playing to win and they had every reason to give up, let go of the rope, and the coach would say after, why would he tell me I did a good job? Like,

then you don't understand this stuff yet. You will, but there you go on a run, it's a different deal. Yeah, well when everybody's bought in, I think that is the direct, you know, correlation to the coaching. You know, that is the direct correlation to the culture. You said, hold on to the rope. Hold the rope is a big deal. There's somebody hanging off a ledge. Are you going to be the one to let go? Or are you going to let your calluses start bleeding? Are you going to hold for everything whenever things are going bad?

Are you going to pull that son of a bitch? That's a Rich Rodriguez thing for a long time, assuming a lot of coaches do that. Obviously, your team was able to get through the mental battles of the early season, also having 0% chance, having no optimism outside the building, so mentally ready to go. Let's talk about physically and basketball. Ty has a question for you coach. Yeah coach, a lot of times in years past when a league is very dominant and then they don't perform very well in like the first two weekends of the tournament, the narrative becomes like oh well the league was

so good that they just beat themselves down during the season and they just had nothing left come tournament time. But how, I mean, you guys played in arguably the best conference that there has ever been this year with 14 teams getting in. How does that prepare you for the rigors of what you're about to go through in March? What you said is true. Every game this year was a grind. Every game was physical hand-to-hand combat.

It's crazy. It was nuts, every game. Will that wear us out or will that prepare us? You know what's great? We're going to see. Having our tournament run through Sunday, which I've argued for years, makes those two teams have a physical, mental, emotional battle on Sunday. And then they're getting into this tournament in two, three days. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that happens. Who's on the upswing? Who's on the downswing? What region are you in?

Don't worry about anybody else but yourself because when you do that other team loses, you waste the time. But we're all going to see because I'm telling you, we deserve 14 teams to be in. We did. But now you're going to see, all right, how do we do? Everybody was all over North Carolina. Geez, they won by 40 last night. Maybe they should have been in. Now you're gonna see, all right, how do we do? Everybody was all over North Carolina. Geez, they won by 40 last night.

Maybe they should have been in. Yeah, West Virginia would have won by 41, yeah. Hey, how about the governor's suing? How about the governor's suing? Only in West Virginia would they, hey, if I was in West Virginia, I'd go hug the governor right now. Yeah, well, it's be a big one.

He needs to stay alive, you know the he he needs to stay alive. You know, we need him to stay alive. We need to take care of himself a little bit. But I'll tell you what, state of West Virginia feels like they were left out. And North Carolina heard all the chatter. Yeah. And that bucket looked bigger for them last night. I mean, they're pulling up from the logo. That looked like the best U.N.C. team we'd seen all year.

What if they go on a run? That's the madness of March and to get into the tournament. It's Obviously a huge blessing to like your school and your team But once you get in we've seen numerous times obviously you've said it anything in it like literally anything can happen especially with the PIGS! Connor has a question for you coach. Coach, how does the day to day change during the tournament? Obviously you know one game at a time, Thursday after that you're not even thinking about anything, but is the recovery different? Is the strategy kind of different when you are just playing for your life every single

game? It's, it's's what a great question. Look everybody has different ways of doing this. I even say how people play. Now they say you should shoot 50 threes. Well what if you can't make threes? No, you've got to play different. So what I've done over my career, I want everything to be the same. The board prior to the game is the same. The

shoot around is the same. The meeting the night before is the same. There is no change. Let's just go be who we are. If that's not good enough, we had a hell of a year. But that's your best chance. In my opinion, I don't know, but there's all kind of ways to doing this. We had a practice yesterday that was normal for this time of year. We'll have a practice today, shortened, no contact, because I can't afford any more.

Seven guys, yeah. So no contact, but from that point on, the shoot around tomorrow The meetings the staff meetings with the players all the same How was mass this morning? Was really it was really good I got out and the guy cut us off and hey you what are you? After walking out of math, so I don't know if it helps me But I'm coaching other people's children and I kind of need help.

I need help anyway. I need more than just spiritual help. Yeah, you're doing a great job. We can't wait to watch your team. Thank you so much for joining us. Good luck out there tomorrow, 7, 10 PM Eastern, Arkansas, first Kansas, first round of the NCAA tournament. We can't wait to watch your team this year coach

Thanks, man. I appreciate you guys. Hey, good. I see but a go for the time ladies and gentlemen coach John Calipari What a legend Everything needs to be the exact same. Okay, if it's not good enough in the regular season It's not gonna be good enough now And if we can win five out of the last six games and continue on this little bit of a ride We can obviously be enough. I'm excited to watch coach Calipari. Thank you for the time, you know, he's from Western, Pennsylvania And we said that the same hometown as a Q Shipley and Joe Nardo John Calipari couple of the goats Yeah, and it's nice to know that a Q is no longer a hater of Joe DeNardo. I hope he says it

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Presented by Allstate. It's happening all around us. All the time. But this specific madness that we are about to experience together as a country, as a world, is a madness that delivers every single year. It's a sport that not everybody knows about, okay? Not everybody knows all the ins and outs of, not everybody knows every single player, every single coach, not everybody knows every single storyline.

All we see is a number, which is a ranking, and we can guess how the season went, a university, and then we get a chance to experience and feel their fans and alum throughout a run of a tournament that everybody hopes that they're able to get to the top of because it could change Everything for everybody the university changes forever whenever they go crazy in march madness the schools obviously Benefit but so do the players there's been players that have taken themselves for maybe second round draft picks into lottery picks because of a run Through march madness there's been players that have transformed their annual net worth from being just a few

bucks into hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars with the modern NIL. There's storylines that are about to develop that are going to make us cry from all the hard work that took place. And then there's going to be storylines that are going to make us say, hell yeah, to that particular person. Congrats to you. They counted you out. They thought you were a crap.

And there's also a chance there's a storyline of the favorite, the team that I think most people throughout their entire lives have thought to themselves, we don't like them. There's a chance it's like one of these villain teams that isn't beloved because they've been around for so long, go on a run and demolish everybody. Last years you come has been that school if you do recall Dan Hurley was the story because this dude was electrifying while he was

coaching his team they would be up 20 points and he'd be pissed about a turnover or a lax and judgment or an error was made by a player on his team there is so many things that could happen over the next couple weeks that kick off tomorrow. Now obviously there's playing games happening today, there was playing games last night. The first one was magical. It ended with a Hail Mary. Alabama State beat St. Francis, a Catholic school, with a Hail Mary. Full of grace. What a catch. Bucket. 0.7 seconds left. Alabama State, you're dancing. This is just the beginning of the madness. We're about to experience and I Can't wait for it now. I have made a promise to myself that I'll be gambling a lot less money on all these games Sure

I think we should all think about doing that as a whole we we get caught up in a moment and we start betting on 18 19 year olds that we've never heard of before Until maybe literally yesterday, but what we saw them do yesterday Okay, makes us us think, well, they're definitely going to be able to do that again. That is not true. Remember that that is not how March Madness works at all. What you saw two days ago might be completely opposite for the next game. And then there's a chance that one team is going to get hot. Got to find those. Those are the teams we're looking for. Let's be selective. Let's be smart. Let's not ever do it, but whenever we feel good

about something, let's enjoy the shit out of it. Because college hoops has its time right now, both the men's and the women's. But the men's one, obviously, is gonna be seen by a lot more people, and with that being said, they got the best talent they've ever had in the tournament, allegedly. So we're maybe looking at the greatest tournament

of all time. And why not? The Talks at Table is here at Boston Connor and at Tyshman. Whenever the hammer, done. Cowboys AP Tone is here. And joining us live from Connecticut, Ohio is a college football national champion,

a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawke. Hawker, I'm getting so excited. Last night, Alabama State throws that Hail Mary and I was boom, right back in it. This is what college basketball has. This is what March Madness has. Cause sometimes there'll be a slow start to the tournament.

Low scoring, a lot of mistakes, teams are tight. Okay, game not really kind of over. And then something happens and boom, you're right back in it. You're all the way in it. Last night, I think they started the entire thing with one of those moments and I'm pulling for Alabama State to go on a run.

I'm pulling for the basketball gods to continue to bless this Alabama State team like they did with the Hail Mary at the very end. And that's all possible here, AJ. And you're talking about changing the course of everything. And that's why it's so damn exciting, AJ. I legitimately think it's different than any other feeling that I have for sports.

Yeah, it's definitely a special time. And first of all, great venue, playing at Dayton Arena. They always do this. I grew up going to games at UD Arena. It's an awesome like old school. No air conditioning, right? Yeah, they didn't back then. I don't know what it's like now,

but it's a great place to watch a game, no question. They don't make arenas like this anymore, but you couldn't have had a better kickoff game than this. Like, this was awesome. Like, the whole time, I feel like it was action packed and then how it ended was beautiful. And I know we're not talking about it, but we know North Carolina looked pretty damn good.

Now we talked about it. We had it. We were forced to talk about it. I know. Kyle Bari even brought it up. I was forced to talk about it. I talked to him this morning, 930 AM, I was forced to talk about it with Kyle Bari. How about the governor?

He's just suing the entire thing. Feels like North Carolina heard that. Connor's big takeaway is like, while we, me, doing my thing, and the governor doing his thing, and basically the entire world was saying the same thing outside of UNC, San Diego State was like, excuse me, can we turn it down just a little bit?

We stopped. They had no chance. They had no chance. I think, yeah. And I picked San Diego State yesterday strictly because I'm like, basketball little bit? We stopped. They had no chance. They had no chance. I think, yeah. And I picked San Diego State yesterday strictly because I'm like, basketball god's going to punch it. But we all knew.

We all, we all, we all knew. Even mentioned it as the biggest takeaway for me from watching the selection Sunday stuff is everybody was on TV saying, North Carolina doesn't deserve to be in there. And then they were asked to pick the game. And everybody was like, do you think North Carolina probably has probably has this one it's like what a conundrum what a situation and that's why any selection committee to anything is always gonna have conspiracy fodder this one just so happened to have the AD is to select this team being the last one in and then

the other team not only gets kicked out of tournament but also probably lose their coach because of it so and the best player who's decided he's going over there too. So, you know, that is that could be why I got a lot. AJ, don't be oh no. And I know that. Congrats. Hey, congrats. I'm a glass half full guy.

Congrats to Indiana. Legit. Yep. They got a guy. Big for the state. It's this guy. They got a guy. People are not happy.

He's going to be. What's he supposed to do though? Why would he stay? Well, I don't know. What? build the program? I don't know AJ West Virginia was his you know is his dream school or whatever that's like not born and raised in Iowa That was his dream school seems like this family spells loyalty see a SSH what what's that?

What? What's that? Kish. Okay. Okay. All right. I mean, can you imagine if he gets Indiana back to the top? Pretty darn good. Pretty done. How is it? Stupendous delivery, legitimately. Good for you, dude. Good for you.

But in this business, I think a lot of people do. You know, I think that is kind of the business in the college football coaching ranks, but Yeah, it's interesting for me because you know I feel like I'm a pretty big supporter of West Virginia Athletics one at West Virginia athletics to do very well. You know very very proud of what's going. Yeah, yeah exactly like very proud of you know that West Virginia Mountaineers and Yeah, exactly. Like very proud of, you know, that West Virginia Mountaineers and you know, it took me a while to be able to be public about it strictly because anytime I talked about it, I would just get reminded of everything that happened in one particular game against Pitt, you know,

it got really loud. It was tough because I was like worst night of my life in this entire thing. So finally got to a point where it's like, nah, we did a lot of good shit there and like, yeah, I'm proud of the fact that I was a part of a great team there and the people that I got a chance to meet and hang out with there, like I'm proud of it. So it's been a nice little, you know, kind of a full circle with this entire thing, especially with Coach Rod going back now,

at least I know the people pretty well and they know me pretty well, you know, like through this entire thing. So I'm very proud of it. So West Virginia not getting in is like a It sucks because I thought was we were having a you know, cuz all our other sports rifle Just won another one men's and women's soccer absolutely crushing it the women's basketball team doing well Baseball is crushing in the big 12. It's like sports are all great West Virginia logo brand right now

Okay, you know and then we get powed and then the guy just gets up and leaves and then people are talking about West Virginia like it's a Mac school and it's like whoa what the hell is going on here you know it's but I think Ren Baker will get it right I think obviously DeVries leaving to Indiana if you've ever been around Indiana or understand the history of the Indiana Hoops program even though they haven't had success in a long time, which is why I think Indiana potentially,

I don't wanna say desperate, but even more so like, I don't know what the contract is. None of us really know what the contract potentially is. We looked it up. Salaries range from like five to eight million, I think per year, buy out six million. But I think the IU Hoops team and the athletic department down there,

after getting a chance to chat with them They are very much like hey, we're gonna win in sport. They got money. They're gonna bring in players Oh, yeah, yeah AD I think at the president came from Georgia. I think she came from Georgia and She said we very much understood when our teams were good Enrollment everything else right so she was like all in on Like a sports were gonna be good ad same ad saying hey, we're winning You know we are gonna win sports, so it's like I think for iu fans are very excited about that, and I think I Think Indiana basketball being good is good for college hoops I think that is something that is good

It just sucks that at the moment of the biggest snub in the history of the tournament, what other people are calling it. I'm reading that from other people saying that. We also lose a guy who's a great basketball coach. It is a tough time right now in Mountaineer land, even though all of our other sports great tough time right now. Yeah, you can understand why people would be pissed because obviously if you're a West Virginia fan, like if I was, I'd be pissed because obviously if you're a West Virginia fan Like if I was I'd be pissed too, but Indiana is one of those jobs in college basketball

Like it's like Notre Dame or Michigan. It's one of those like true blue blood Jobs that if you get that opportunity, you just can't pass it up It doesn't really matter where you're at because if he if he like you like you mentioned Indiana hasn't been What they used to be in a while if you were to turn them, like you mentioned, Indiana hasn't been what they used to be in a while. If you were to turn them around, like you're, you're a legend forever, not just in the state of Indiana, you're like a college basketball legend forever. And I assume that's statues around.

Exactly. That's pretty alluring. And then not to mention like he's from the Midwest, like he already has a footprint here. So that has something to do with it as well. But obviously if you're a West Virginia fan, like none of that, you don't care about any of that. You're still pissed off. Yeah. Who's, who's going to be coaching West Virginia? No. Simba call them. Bring back Huggie bear.

Yeah. If Rich Rod got brought back, he's time to bring back the bear. The good old days. Yeah. I, I think, um, he's still around program. Still around program. Oh yeah. Still around program. Whenever he, whenever he, whenever he got let go and then signed a con and then did it, I mean there's there that was a whole thing. And then Josh, I believe, becomes coach Josh becomes the head coach. But he was like titled the interim coach, but he did a season. Yeah. As the interim coach, that stuff to recruit on. For sure. Yeah. You know that is, that's stuff to recruit on for sure yeah you know that is that stuff to do

well and then obviously we signed old buddy here and it's like we got some now we're now we're building back again to being in the neck now we're officially in the next chapter of what WV hoops is gonna be which has made had more success I think recently than IU has I think if you were to look like who's made a deeper run more recently IU or West Virginia in the hoops world I think recently then IU has I think if you were to look like who's made a deeper run more recently IU or West Virginia in the Hoops world. I think West Virginia Hoops people would be like we know the last Whatever many years has been bad But I don't think Indiana's done anything since like early two thousands

Like I think it's been a long the last time they went on a deep run in the tournament I don't know. I knew that number because remember I I mentioned it during the football I was like, hey, this is a basketball school But they haven't made it deep run since like 2000. It's been last sweet 16 was 2016. Yeah Okay, they had Tom Kareem, I think but but like the lead eight or final four or whatever it was That was like Tom Coverdale like In the early 2000s. Yeah, cuz I think West Virginia made obviously a lead eight multiple times I think I don't do we make a final four. I think I think West Virginia made obviously a lead eight multiple times. I think, did we make a final four? I think. I think West Virginia made a

final four. Hugs to Sean Butler maybe. I don't remember because I think it was in Indy you got hurt. Did we host the Elite Eight? Indiana's last final four was 2002. Last Elite Eight was also 2002. I will now look at the West Virginia. Yeah, because once again only pay attention to our march so you know easy come easy go. Yeah. A lot of magic. They mesh together. Yeah, a lot of moments only pay attention to our march so that you know easy come easy go. Yeah, but a lot of magic They mesh together. Yeah a lot of moments that can happen. But even that Indiana team that you were talking about in like 2015 I'm pretty sure that year they were they were a one-seat They're either the number one overall seed or like they were picked to go to the final four

Maybe win the whole thing and they got beaten the sweet 16. Go ahead W went to the final four in 2010 Okay, D'Shaun Butler in them, right? Go ahead W went to the Final Four in 2010. Okay, Deshaun Butler in it, right? Yeah, had to be yeah, that's when I got hurt Huggins went down onto the court It was like that was one of the moments of the tournament, right? Yeah was Sean Butler It was here in India. I think so was like well, I think we only hosted the Final Four. I'm towards ACL Okay against Duke and he was eventually announced. Deshaun was a dog. Deshaun was a cool dude, too. Deshaun was He was a star worked his ass off. There's a lot of those stars though There's like we had a lot of them kind of through the years there

So I think like West Virginia people are like, hey the logo went to school here brother. Like this is I know football Obviously, we are a blue-collar, you know mining state So football is you know the sport of choice here, but basketball we got some history here as well So I think that is what West Virginia people are saying and hopefully that's what rent is selling and I don't know if we're You know I don't know if we're gonna be able to keep up with IU when it comes to the NIL and the contracts and everything when It comes to basketball, but I assume we're able to give good deals You know, we got the breeze over some other schools last year. Hopefully runs able to figure that out, but

Run Baker whatever you offseason has some massive decision some massive decision yeah yeah come hire new guys every single year we got a new president I think cuz uh what's his name Boatai Gordon oh yeah Gordon Gee yeah he was at Ohio State for a minute so he's gone did he get booed at Rich Rod's introductory press conference when he got intro'd sounded like it I don't remember why what'd he do Sounded like it. I don't remember. Why? What'd he do there? I don't know. I don't know. I don't remember that.

I don't remember if it was him or somebody else. I do wonder if it was his time though. I do wonder if it was like, okay, let's go separate ways, you know, new president. I don't know. He had a sweet bow tie. He was nice to me. He sent me a couple of very nice messages throughout the time. I didn't go to school whenever he was under the leadership.

And I don't know if it was his idea just to knock down an entire part of town. It's really good time. I didn't go to school whenever he was under the leadership. And I don't know if it was his idea just to knock down an entire part of town. That's really good time. Sure. Just tomorrow's sunny side. That's every college campus, right? Turns commercial cause you know, that real estate's pretty valuable.

Yeah, every apartment is gonna be rented until when? Forever. Yeah. As long as the school is here. This is a never ending cash printing machine. You see, we just built a one complex in each university. If we're able to do that, we're rich forever. That's a good little market. That's a good little deal. And they certainly did that. Yeah,

they just knocked down all these old houses that were certainly falling apart. To knock it over, I think all they had to do was shove it all. Kind of let it fall. I lived in one of those houses. That thing, living upstairs, it's an interesting spot. It's like, am I upstairs tomorrow morning when I wake up or am I potentially in the living room? That's good. Let's go to the NFL. There's a rule change season we are currently in. People are pitching different rules. I believe there's been six that have been made public. Here's one. To amend the current playoff seating format and allow wild card teams to be seated higher than division champs if the wild card team has a better regular season record. So this is obviously from the Lions because if you

do recall week 18 game 17 for the Detroit Lions Minnesota Vikings were between two teams that if they won the game they'd be the number one seed in the entire NFC and if they lost they'd be the fifth overall seed so now all of a sudden there's a lot different path to the Super Bowl just because somebody in your division is also having a number one overall team league seat I don't know if they're gonna be able to pass this one just because the success of the playoffs, I think the numbers and TV ratings

that the playoffs get just right now are absurd. So I think it's gonna be tough to get a pass, but I do understand where they're coming from, AJ Hawk. Yeah, like you said, it does seem like this one would be tough to actually go through, but yeah, I get it. I understand why you would propose this, Like you said, it does seem like this one would be tough to actually go through, but yeah, I get it. I understand why you would propose this, but yeah, I think more of the rule type changes

are the things that you have a better chance to make some change. In teams from crappie divisions are like, we're not fit for that. What are you talking about? Yeah. We got a home playoff game? Yeah. No way. Yeah.

We understand, okay, must be nice. Deetra, you remember when you were us? You remember when you were us? that will be said in the meeting room But I do understand where they're coming from from their perspective. Let's go to the next one here To prohibit an offensive player from pushing a teammate who was lined up directly behind the snapper and receive a snap Immediately after the snap. This is uh from the green bay packers. We're done with the tush push We are done with the tush push. We are done with the tush push. There is precedent now for this rule

in this play to potentially be amended a bit. During special teams, it used to be that linebackers would get their hands, both of them. One on the left butt cheek of a D tackle, and one on the right butt cheek of a D tackle. And said D tackle would weigh 360 pounds. And linebacker would be pushing D tackle and one on the right butt cheek of a D tackle and said D tackle would weigh 360 pounds and linebacker would be pushing D tackle through shoulders or chest of long snapper after he snaps the ball and then linebackers trying

to jump up and block the ball. Then people evolved and it would be two D tackles cockeyed like your pizza slicing your skis, okay, both facing this way, and then the linebacker would have right hand on left ash cheek, and then left hand on right ash cheek of other D-tackle, and would be pushing 700 pounds sometimes, 600 pounds onto either guard or long snapper for field goal blocks, boom, and then trying to jump up and obviously the guard would actually die slowly,

which is the name of the technique, like're gonna die just die slowly as these two gigantic humans are being aided by a linebacker who's pushing it so they did get rid of that there is no pushing anymore there's no hands on cheeks I believe is the way it's kind of rode out so there is a chance that they can say precedent on the defensive side has been set about pushing and what's player safety and what's not player safety and how much pressure and force and weight can be dropped on somebody. But I think too many football people in the room will say, it's core back sneak. So you just got to stop it or shut up in the entire, how do you think it goes?

AJ Hawk? I don't think you stop this and I don't see why you even try to stop this like If if you can do it like your offense can do this as well I know they you know, the Eagles seem to find a way to run it better than everybody else But you're you just saying hey, this is unfair. You can't say this is not this is a player safety thing Like I understand you can argue player safety for pushing the the guards and killing the center and the the guards on the field goal But here like what kind of player safety can you claim? Well, Chris Jones Chris Jones got hurt

Yeah, I'm during the Super Bowl where he screwed up his neck and you could say well that's on him because he he's got A thousand pounds of course the line and at the bottom of the pile Whatever the any football person is not gonna publicly say we want to get rid of the quarterback sneak You know, I don't think they'll go on the record. That's what I personally, I don't know if you have to, but I don't think anybody will go on the record and say, um, I'm not anybody. I don't think a majority of football people will go on the record and say that they want to ban this particular quarterback sneak. In my eyes, I just think it's going to be tough to hear people say, go ahead. Yeah, like that particular one. That's what I was gonna say. Like you could still make the argument for the Eagles. Well, we still have an advantage at quarterback sneak because of the

fact that Jalen hurts, you know, squats 500 pounds rather, but not having that, you know, push from behind. Then they'd obviously have to do it for defense too, because the defenses towards, you know, the end of the season, or I guess the entire season to you know counter the tush push they're pushing D Lyman they're just not getting the push that you know the Eagles are good what an interesting thing what what an interesting predicament here and the Green Bay Packers are leading up they're not doing it by themselves they've obviously heard from other people to think about doing it as well but I also don't understand because they don't do this a whole bunch but towards the end

of the season like they were using Tucker Kraft they'd move him in motion and he'd take a snap and they would do the tush push with him. And they were very successful with it. So it's not like they haven't been doing it at all. I more so was thinking, well, they got burned so many times on fourth downs, at the end by the Lions and by these playoff teams that they can't stop it. So maybe they're thinking that. But yeah, I don't understand how you can use a player safety thing

when so many teams do this. And very rarely do we see guys get hurt because of this. Yeah, Eagles just got it. Yeah. Oh yeah. You just have to learn it. You got to, you got to find a way to run it with your offense, whether it's put a tight end,

do you put someone else motion them in? I don't know. So what is it first in nine then? Okay. Basically. Is that what we're doing? That's what somebody's saying. Yeah. Yep Okay, so you got three plays to get nine yards. Are we Canadian football now? Is that we're doing we're doing CFL rules three downs Okay, so we're saying if it's we're just giving first downs away now. That's what we're doing. Yeah

Well, not everybody it seems like the Eagles have a little better percentage than your team. Oh, shut up. Bills. I'm pretty pumped to see the selling and what actually gets passed. This one doesn't feel like it's getting passed this year, you know, but maybe a lot of these rules, you know, they kind of get... What can you say though? What can you say? This is not fair. Like this isn't... What's your argument? I don't get it. It's a boring play. It's not football. This is rugby. Like what are we playing? That's what somebody was saying. You know, just like the the main argument for the extra point was it's boring. This this this play sucks. Yeah. So too successful. Need to figure it out or we're going to get rid of it.

And then they were like asking around the league. Come up with ideas. And I heard one ownership group wanted to propose a 60 yard extra point a 60 yard extra point Just go out there. Just you and a little stick 60 you get you get five points if you make it. Nope, just one is it is one point. It's an extra point play music Yeah, well, that's when we'll be once I heard that was an idea. Yeah, once I heard that was an idea That's when I really the stage. Okay, so we are Okay, so we're in a space. We're coming with some ideas. Yeah stage Smoke yeah music Can Adam Vinatieri hit this kick from a spinning stage?

He's got his spinning stage. Oh. I'd watch. Yeah. Every time. Trying to make it exciting. I mean, when I heard 60 yarder for one point was being pitched, I'm like, oh, so we're trying to make this like a show.

Okay. Okay. I can do this. Yeah. I like, I like heard 60 yarder for one point was being pitched, I'm like, oh, so we're trying to make this like a show. Okay. Okay. I like what we're thinking. And I'll be honest, Adam was not happy with my suggestions. He said, he asked me why I make a mockery out of it. Why don't I respect the game? And while I appreciate the game, I'm saying I'm trying to keep a foot in football, brother.

Okay. I'm trying to keep all three phases. I don't want them to get rid of it. And if this is what they're going with, my idea, much more fun. And he goes, you want to see me on a stage? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Who does it? Is he wearing full pads still? No, is he? I want to see him running set up. Like, can you imagine how tough it'd be to like, you'd be so much, you'd be so anxiety ridden. If you're one of the people though, that has to run the little spinning stage out there make sure it works in the moment because you have like it's on the side of the field it's on the side of the

field so you know just like in rugby if you score on the left side you have to kick from the left one you saw right side got a kick from the right one yeah that thing's always I didn't know that okay it's even better whole game whole wow I think spinning they'll actually have a counter on how many times. Yeah This thing has spun 985 times that's why does it go faster every quarter it starts spinning a little bit faster So if you're taking extra point in overtime like that thing you can barely see the dude now That's like icing the kicker instead of you can hop this time out. Yeah

Speed turn up, but you're going to do it once again You can't do it multiple times. You're gonna have to pick and choose So you fake like with your head coach has his hand on like the controller He's faking like he's gonna make you spin faster Nope, not this time depends on how many timeouts you have to like if you have three timeouts You could do multiple things you could have it spin faster You could have it vibrate and maybe and maybe rock back and forth a little bit Okay

so they said that we were making a mockery of it sure Sure. And they ended up with a 33 yard extra point. And- Idiots. I think that has made, you know, a little bit more electrifying. It looked weird for a while because they had, the way they sold things on the field was still as if it was extra point.

Now like the field, the business, I think the camera, us as viewers, have all kind of adapted to it and we keep it moving. I don't know if I'm ever going to be able to get used to this new kickoff setup. You know, that's gonna be tough. That's a weird setup. It is, it is a very interesting setup just because in every other play there's a line of scrimmage, you know, and in this one there's two of them. So it's just interesting. But they're trying to keep the foot in football so I respect. Let's go to the next rule that is being

pitched here. To align the postseason In the regular season overtime rules are granting both teams an opportunity possess the ball regardless of the outcome of the first possession Subject to a 15 minute overtime period in the regular season. Okay, so touchdown wins game on first drive field goal extends game So if you hit a field goal on the first drive of overtime the other team can answer If you hit if you score a touchdown, that's first drive of overtime, the other team can answer. If you hit, if you score a touchdown, that's both balls in a cup, brother. That is game over, unanswerable. So I think that's the right move.

Just keep it the same as the playoffs. I think a lot of people probably assume it is the same as the playoffs, if they had to guess, especially because the Buffalo Bill was Kansas City Chiefs situation a few years back. I think this one should pass. AJ, your thoughts? Absolutely, keep it the same. We know that there's players that didn't know the the

overtime rules between the the regular season and the playoffs. You're right that mic'd up situations where they're like what it's over yeah yeah yeah yeah that's game yeah sorry about it you now move to week 14. Good luck gotta must win go ahead. Super Bowl with the Niners, like they didn't realize the entire situation with, you know, the Chiefs where there's that clip of, you know, Mahomes when they're doing the Super Bowl over time and they had no idea that the rules were the Chiefs get the ball no matter what. And that was right after. Oh, yes, because it is different in the playoffs.

The yeah, both teams have to get the ball. Yes, have to. That there's no no I don't even know what the counter is I don't know what it shouldn't be different regular season should not be different from playoffs when it comes to that to any rule Really who's voting no to that? Like what would be the reasoning you can claim player safety so the game the regular see you don't want a regular season game going Five hours is that what they claim? No, cuz it ends in a tie. That's what they'll say But it's the same deal then you could just be like well then why are we playing on Thursdays? Well and then why are we playing for 15 total minutes then? Yeah there's a lot of questions.

Why do you extend it with a field goal but not a touchdown? Like there's there's really no this one passes. I think so. Congrats to football getting better. Congrats to what team pitched that? Eagles. Congrats to the Eagles. Feels like that one's going to pass. Let's go to the next one. Could be wrong. Once again, we are not voters. This is what we're projecting to happen. The Detroit Lions say they want to eliminate an automatic first down as a penalty imposed

for defensive holding in a legal contact. They like get their hands on you. This one's not. I love this. I'm about sick of us a little ticky tack bullshit. And they get to extend their drive all of a sudden. Why? Because we play football. OK. and now we're letting the refs decide whether or not a call that can be called a lot and kind of just sneak through the the

rulebook let them decide and have it be another first down. That's what the Lions are saying. Yeah I think they were the most penalized secondary in the NFL last year so they said we're not gonna change the way we play defense let's change the rules. That's not but hey to be clear everybody tells us they would play the way we play if they could. Let's let it. Let's let everybody grab everybody. AJ how do you feel about this? I think this one might be tough to get through especially since the Lions are with the most penalized secondary you know they were guilty of doing this a lot yeah that does that play a factor when they think about building these rules to rule like hey who is proposing this? Definitely yes. Just like you know, they were guilty of doing this a lot. Yeah, does that play a factor when they think about

building these rules through? Like, hey, who is proposing this? Definitely. Yes. Just like Cards Against Humanity, we've said it once, we'll say it a thousand times. When you're playing that particular game, I don't even know if people play it anymore,

but you gotta play the person. You know, you gotta always know the person that is making decisions, the person that is speaking, the person that is giving an opinion. You have to know why that person feels the way they feel like Bubba Cunningham North care. All right. Anyways, yes, they will hold that against the line. Somebody will roll out stats probably Is this your defense right here? This is our defense Stop pulling our guys. I just paid Jamar and T exactly. We would like a first down

Yeah, so not gonna pass through us. Let's go to another rule change that's being proposed. This one's from the Pittsburgh Steelers. Allowing teams to have direct contact with free agents and set up travel during the negotiating window. That's Monday at noon as opposed to having to wait till Wednesday at 4. There's this tampering period that has been legalized by the NFL where all these deals are done and the teams are not allowed to physically meet the player during this time. They're allowed to talk to the agent, they're allowed to meet with the agent, not allowed to meet with the player because once again that would be too much tampering, too much recruiting

as opposed to just throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at them. You can't meet them in person. I feel like this one gets passed for some reason. I feel like this is a pretty easy one in my eyes but then they'll have to limit how much travel does each guy have to limit how much travel does each guy have to take and where are the meetings and how the meetings that all that comes into play next day, Jay. Yeah. So are they saying though,

the Steelers are saying we can just set up their travel and we can speak directly to the player during the tampering period, not in then, but they still can't come in and physically come to your facility until the free agent, it opens up. Yeah. They probably just want to, you know, let's get some eyes, hands conversation uh because you hear stories probably about people you try to background check i think they can talk i think maybe not the agent they can

talk to the agent right now it says right there's also not as many direct flights in pittsburgh so it's like hey this we're scheduling this travel stuff okay we're going to get a couple days advance on a lot of people you know these chicago atlantas dallasese big airports you know a direct flight fucking boom as soon as free agency starts the schedule. Okay, let's make it a level playing field. Pittsburgh was supposed to have so many flights. They got a brand new airport coming so hopefully. Really? Yeah, they're building a brand new airport. The last time we got a brand new airport it came with a deal with what? US Airways? I think it was US Airways. Oh nice. They were going to make Pittsburgh a hub. And then it was for a little bit right? I don't know how many years later they just

Yeah, US air Left so you show up at that airport It happened whenever I was gone because I would fly back and it's just like literally full empty terminal just no planes outside It's like it's just sad. That's weird. This is sad Yeah, but you bank on the deal the contract and somehow it ended up not happening Yeah, and once that takes place then you start losing, you know, you don't because for them business-wise How many flights are we gonna like Indianapolis super clean Airport nice and great very nice Airport easy to get in now Now is there flights to a lot of places?

Yeah We'll get you to a hub. Yeah, we'll get you to a home. You like like I think about hub. Hope you like labels. The tough thing about this, small ones. Yeah, but they're beautiful. You know, it's a really nice airport. It's cool. Like you can get it on and off a plane. Like you can get in and out pretty easily. But yeah, you just got to take a 40 minute flight to a hub.

Pittsburgh's airport, you know, got Frank O'Harris right next to George Washington. Dropped the ball. Found a country, saved the city. You know, that's welcome to Pittsburgh. Let's go to the next rule, shall we? The pro football talk report of seven teams proposing K-balls to be prepared before the game is one that I heard about back at the combine.

OK. So there were some special teams coordinators from numerous teams. He said seven in this report. I assume that's how many people actually put their names on it or whatever. I think this is a very much a unanimous, hey, this is what we're thinking.

So the K-ball preparation is a lot more of a conversation than people could have ever imagined. So back in the day, you used to be able to bring your own ball to kick, own ball to throw, everybody just brings their own balls. You play with your own balls, you go home. So the kickers started really Experimenting they started really really experimenting on how you get the ball the most beat up, you know Cuz the more beat up ball the further it's gonna fly brand new ball more plasticky. It's hard to kind of dent the outer shell in

inevitably Thrust it as far as you possibly can. So a beat-up ball is the best ball you can get. We're talking like 10 yards different, 15 yards difference maybe. That much really? Between a brand new ball and a very very very beat-up ball. Like not great at wind and everything plays in but like 7 to 15 yards very much like game changer. They're on a big deal. It's a big deal on these broken in balls. So at some point there's this folklore story

that one of the kicker's balls or punter's balls was in for a punt. And then the other team decided to go for it. So the K ball ended up in an actual play and it was some notable. Far, maybe. Yeah, maybe Brett Favre. And the ball was so beat up that it was like so like

oversized and just like no grip a pick was thrown and then immediately there was full fucking chaos about how we got to get these K balls back right away we gonna have more of a thing because it can't be determining outcomes of games because the quarterback can't so like literally that is like the folk tale. I don't know what it is. This is back in like 2000 maybe, maybe 1999. So this is way back in this thing. So then they instituted a rule, brand new balls,

literally box opened, handed to refs onto the field. I forget it was, I think it was like three, four years or something like that. And it would, I could thank God I did not play during that time. Like that is, I assume if you go back and look at the numbers Terrible like I assume not good numbers So then all the special teams coordinators came around and then there was an agreement with the NFL where it was like, okay

We'll have K balls and the equipment managers while being watched by an NFL official we'll have 30 minutes with the seven balls and They will be allowed a brush. There's just one spray thing and then a towel that's all they're allowed to have so these equipment managers one from our team one from another team will go into a bathroom in the stadium before the game like 90 minutes before the game they would have an official watching them it would start a clock and they would have 30 minutes to beat up a ball okay 30 minutes to rub rub the shit out of it, you know sweat in there like the whole thing Our guy would come out drenched. We're talking about drenching sweat and I would me and vinny would be like my man

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you us and other kickers and punters on other teams. We would talk about who The the ball rubber is who's the ball like hey, who hey, who's your guy? Who's your guy? And they say, we got a guy, he's good, he's new. And we would say, we got a guy. So our guy would get ball one, because ball one's gonna be in the field the most. Their guy would get ball two. So then our guy would get three.

So like, then there would be like a plan beforehand, like, hey, is your guy good? And they'd be like, yeah, good guy. It's like, okay, then no conversation needed. Our guy, great. So like, let's let our guy kind of do his thing and there were seven balls Usually only the first three balls will make it into a game the others would be sold for game use But they were never they never saw the field

So now they're trying to get to a point where it's like just like the quarterbacks are allowed to prepare their own balls and bring Their own balls and then they get tested at game time Just let the teams bring their own balls and you can test it at game time. And if it's too despicable or not game ball enough, kick it out. Kickers want the ball hard, not soft. So it's like the air pressure will be there. If it's beat up, you can tell if it's too beat up.

Like there were some games back in the day, laces were popping off the ball. And it's like, that would be awesome. Just to have an actual helium balloon. Not that helium would help that was been Mythbusters, but for that big of a thing like a rugby ball like an Aussie ball I mean the sweet spot gets bigger the bigger the ball gets so it's like that I think they can do both. I think that's what the special teams people are pitching like hey

Just let us bring our own ball. You can test them, and then we just keep it moving We'll use our balls they use their balls, and we just keep it moving So what I'm saying is something is minute in a lot of people's eyes is the K balls This has been a conversation for like decades and crazy. I think this is the right answer I think you know we're kind of getting back to where it used to be before They were putting in the washer and dryer Putting in a sauna guys were putting a ball in the sauna We're beating it up in the sauna so the thing would grow. And then obviously you pump it up as much as you possibly can.

It was like they were, they were, you know, abuse leads to restriction. Sure. And that is potentially what happened there, but they felt as if it was gamesmanship. And that's where we're back at the beginning for the Cable. Great guy.

Why wouldn't they let the kickers and punters have that 30 minutes to do it? Great question. I don't know I To be clear. I never asked I was always like frog my guy. Yeah. Yeah, you had a guy That's a valuable spot very valuable spot. We would go to teams and they would say we got a bad guy and I'm like Because like you feel it like whenever we played in London Walt The ref, you know He had ball seven on that he was putting ball seven on the field on purpose

And I'm like these people actually like us over here like in England these people actually are late They'll cheer a big-time punt and I get the ball for like the kickoff and it's like what is this? This is this and I look it's ball seven. I'm like why are you doing that? Thus why you why brand new ball use somebody snaps one?'s say a little games and ship has been done in the past like a game winner away game ball boy throws in ball four as opposed to like ball three ball two you know like one of those situations has happened and as soon as you catch a snap it's like oh this is bad ball. You can literally as soon as you catch it, you can feel it. And it's a game changer.

How many of these rules are passed? That's six being pitched. What did we think? Two. Two of them. K-ball passes. The Steelers probably passes. Yeah.

K-ball and playoff rule. Yeah. So maybe three of them tampering visitations. Oh yeah. In the overtime. Yeah. Overtime and cable. I think those three will pass. Joining us now is a man who, you know, had been in the overtime. Yeah, overtime and cable. That's it.

Those three will pass. Joining us now is a man who you know had been in the NFL for his entire life. Now he is the general manager for the North Carolina Tar Heel football team. Where was he on selection Sunday? Ladies and gentlemen Michael Lombardi. Oh Pat, I was right there. Look at what we did last night. I mean maybe the conversations should have been, why was San Diego State in the thing? Damn, we took all the heat. We played. Well, San Diego State's athletic director

wasn't the chairman of the selection committee. Okay, Lambeau. And you know Bubba much better than I do. Bubba's a good man. Bubba's a good man. I just need to know that Bubba's a good man. Good man. You know, everybody's good people down here at North Carolina. And certainly with the great tradition we have, look, I don't know how it all goes in there,

but, you know, look, we proved it last night on the court. And, you know, the other thing is to our women's basketball team there, we're hosting here to third, you know, a three seed, a lot of things going on here in Chapel Hill. I saw you and Coach Belichick delivering some pizzas, you know. Absolutely. Yeah, there you delivering some pizzas, you know Hey you guys love him speaking to the team He said we in us a lot like and you just said we we in us talking about North Carolina Feels like you guys are fully in huh? You guys are all the way in I'll take that you got to come down here and you've got a there's coach back heart Courtney. She's great

I mean you got to come down here and go into Carmichael and experience the place that Jordan took the roof off of. It's magical. It really is. I mean, you walk in there and I know you've been to Butler where they filmed the movie Hoosiers and all that. And that's, I like that. That sent me chills when I went in there.

But every time I go into Carmichael here on the campus of the University of North Carolina, it's amazing, because all I can think about is how many shots Jordan practiced in that arena. You know, how many did he make and how many did he miss? Like, his whole life was in there. You could just feel it when you go in there. It's incredible. Yeah, some greatness and, you know, great colors too.

I mean, you guys' uniforms are the best. I love how much you have just taken ownership of being at UNC. Where you guys at right now? Because we got what the next transfer portal coming up in April. Spring is not happening? You guys are on break? What's happening right now? No we're got spring practice today which is great. It'll be our fifth practice of our spring so we've got that at five o'clock tonight. And you know, a lot of recruiting going on, you know, the portal doesn't open up until April 15th, which will get an opportunity to evaluate our team

where we are, and then to go look at the portal to see what's available for us to sign, to help our team for the 25th season. And then really our focus has been on the 26th season, really doing a good job trying to recruit players for that. And you know, that's ongoing. What's been the difference between college and pro is when you work like everybody's working on one draft board now in pro football, you know, they're working on getting their

boards set up and in college, you got the 25 board, the 26 board, the 27 and the 28. I mean, we have young kids that come watch us practice from 27, they're just 15 years old and they look like they could play pro football today. How many of those guys are gonna end up wearing Carolina blue? How many of those? We get as many as we can, Pat.

Look, one thing about this is you're not limited to draft picks and we're not waiting for the compensatory picks to come around. We got a lot of first round picks we can use. How's Bill at practice compared to when he was with the Patriots? What is his, is it the same?

Is it different? How is he coaching versus maybe when he coached in the NFL? Well, I think the hardest challenge for him and our coaching staff is how to teach the players how to practice properly. Nobody needs to be on the ground. We need to have physical contact. We need to be a physical football team, but that doesn't mean we need to be everybody in the training room all beat up. So I think that's the process. Bill

Wall City took him two years to teach the 49ers back in 1979 until really they got to about 1981 when they learned how to practice without pads on. You guys know from playing in the league that sometimes the practice tends to slow down when you don't have pads on and that doesn't make it a good practice but you have to find a way to be physical without pads on and beating everybody up and that takes a process. We have to teach players how to do that and I think that's what coaches working on now. How many stay off the ground? That's a lot of that huh? There's a lot of that? You heard it. Yeah. There's a lot of stay off the ground. You know there's a few stay off the f-ing ground, there's a few just stay off the ground.

We got a little bit of both. Yeah depending upon how severe the punishment is, depending upon how severe the crime is. Now Connor just reminded me, you guys doing no numbers down there right now? No numbers. See, but everybody miscommunicate. Everybody thinks this is some kind of form of punishment and all that. There's a method to everything coach does. And one of the things we have to work on here at North Carolina is our communication, right? We've got to know everybody on the team. We've got to be able to not just call out, hey, 79, you've got the A-gap, you've got to slide down. You need to know the player's name.

You need to be able to communicate. And it highlights communication. Everybody, when we did it in New England, everybody felt like, oh, it's just that we didn't want the media to know who the players were. Well, that wasn't true at all. We wanted to work on communication, and that's what we're doing here.

And that's one of the great things about it is we can practice community. You know one of the things you see look let's take the game the Rams are sitting here not winning the Super Bowl or playing the Super Bowl because they had a failed communication on two of their last protections when Matthew Stafford got sacked when they're going in the red zone. That's a communication issue. It wasn't a talent issue. So practicing communication is really important. Yeah, and learning everybody's name. When you're watching film, that has to be a nightmare. Oh. Yeah, yeah, that has to be.

Oh, that's a nightmare. Look, I would like the numbers on him. I mean, is that, wait a minute, who is that? Now he's got, now wait a minute, he has no pads on. Wait a minute, he has no, he's got a tail behind his legs. He on wait a minute. He does know it He's got a tail but to mind his legs He's wearing a pet like you got to go you go out there and you have to mark the players on your sheet So that you know who you're watching leave your left

That is Fantastic. Go ahead AJ Lomba, what's the the plan for a possible spring game? I know a lot of teams are going away from it. They're not doing it in Colorado. I know Dion wants to possibly bring another team in. What do you guys plan on doing down there? Well, we're going to have a spring event.

We're not going to have a spring game. I mean, that whole breaking the team up into two sides. I mean, look, one thing we've learned through a lot of years, when Bill first came to Cleveland in 1991, the New York football Giants practiced in full pads on Friday. And when Bill started, we started practicing on half shells, the players almost had a hard time. So, you know, we've learned over the years how to practice better, right?

And how to get more out of less practice. So I think the game really isn't as much about the portal as it is about making sure you get more out of your practice than just trying to beat up on one another. I think obviously there will be times where we have to go live in our practices, but I think like anything you have to build yourself up to it. You just can't start hard. We're not Bear Bryant down at Texas A&M when he got down there and the next thing you know he only had like 20 players left.

That's not what you need to do. Well, I think not only that and I respect that that's the angle You know in it all and you said splitting up the team into two teams I love that that's not even a thought like we're not gonna be we're all tar heels here We're not splitting each other up into two teams will be offense defense special teams But you know, we're not gonna do that. Also the more I think about it. There is zero You know, we're not going to do that. Also, the more I think about it, there is zero upside to a spring game. Okay, let's start rattling off all the bad things. So, if you have a spring game, you have a starter and you have a backup then, somewhere. Okay, so then you just told the backup that they're the backup.

Okay, do they want to hit that transfer portal after your spring game because they're going to be a backup? What about a third stringer who might end up being the starter after training camp depending upon how he plays. He's not on the ones or the twos. He's like well give me the hell out of here and it's like well you have no idea what training camp could look like in the fall. It might be vastly different. They're gone. You put on film now so other teams are gonna see who you got. Then you're potentially getting people poached. It's like there's just so many ramifications now in the modern College football they're like, I don't know how a spring game

Does I don't know how they save the spring game It's gonna have to be a spring like festival more than right like you're saying a spring event I think that's the only answer legitimately. Well, like dion wants to practice against another team But I don't think the nc2a will allow that and based on the rules, which I think something needs to Obviously we need to change that because I think it would help the that and based on the rules, which I think something needs to, obviously we need to change that because I think it would help the quality of play once the regular season starts. It would help your team and help you evaluate your team, especially now that we're dealing in the portal

and now that we have revenue streams coming in. Would you televise it? Would you televise that or no? I don't think so. I mean, look, why wouldn't you? Somebody would watch it. Look, we don't get enough football as it is. We want to, you know, the spring league draws people.

I'm sure people would watch a good spring game. Look, you know, one thing we know about spring games, people have watched them. They're all over the networks. Yeah, dude, that's what I'm saying. I don't know. Just, I'm thinking about from a West Virginia perspective and a lot of these schools' perspective,

it's like if you have a spring game on TV and you have somebody that goes bananas Okay freshmen sophomore goes crazy in the spring game all of a sudden there is and you got a transfer window Yeah coming up literally in a week or like two weeks coming up. There's some no offense Ohio State Yeah, they're not the only one in Ohio State obviously loaded the wide receiver position or they wouldn't need, whoever would be of, you know, need of that position. It's like, a lot of these schools got a massive bank account

that could just be like, hey, you want to come to Penn State? Yeah, 1.5. We didn't recruit you, we just saw what you did. And then all of a sudden, I don't know, that's tough, man. I think the spring festival is the way to go to celebrate the sport. But also if we have combined practices, that's tough, man. I think the spring festival is the way to go to celebrate the sport. But also if we have combined practices,

that'd be electrifying. Let's not slow that down either. Okay, a couple of the boys have some more questions about you from an NFL perspective. I know you saw this, I know you saw the play. Let's go to Cincinnati. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Lambeau, how do you feel about the Jamar Chase

and T. Higgins deals? Obviously, I believe it's damn near $70 million combined per year for their top two guys, keeping them both sounds like it's gonna be real tough to keep Trey Hendrix in, but we'll see what happens. What do you think about this? And do you think the Cincinnati Bengals are set up for a long-term success with these two guys locked down? Well, I think both of them are great players.

There's no question. Both of them deserve to get paid. I think this is more of a question and you already know the answer to this, Connor. You're asking me, you know how I feel about this. Like, this was a setup. I mean, this is an alley-oop, right? I mean, you expect me to dunk this.

I know how this is gonna go, but look, I don't know how you do it. If you can't block, I mean, maybe since he's made a deal with Pittsburgh and Baltimore and you know and the other teams that they're going to count to five Mississippi when they rush and so they can throw the ball at these guys you know I don't know maybe they've worked it out I don't understand it but to me when I watch the Bengals I see they're all that Joe Burrow gets hit way too much you know and they're going to have to fix that. Now, can they do it in the draft? Look, Duke Tobin will do a good job trying to find players, I don't doubt that, but for me, it's not the perfect scenario. And again, I'm going to say this a thousand times. Coach Walsh

told me this. When he told me to go do a project on three receivers in 1984, Al Toon, Jerry Rice, and Eddie Brown, he said to me, after he told me to do a research project on those three players, he said, we're finally now in position to draft a great receiver. Because his belief was, which he really gave to me, and this is why, is you can't have great, if you can't block. And these guys are great. There's no question. We're not arguing their talent or their value.

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing team building Can we find young offensive linemen that we can play with and protect Joe burrow because Joe burrow is the franchise? Yeah, Joe burrow allegedly had some sway in T Higgins and Jamar chase getting signed and if they are able to find an Offensive line they can protect Joe burrow, they'll be able to score with absolutely anybody. I think we all agree with that. Now defense last year was not good. They actually fired D coordinator.

It's like, can they figure that out? And also figure out Trey Hendrickson. That's currently the sack king. That's a lot. Hey, good luck to you though. Hey, I'm pumped for bank. Look, it may be the work, but I think when they went to the Super Bowl and almost beat the Rams,

their defense played a lot better than they did. And I think to me, to play great defense in the NFL, you got to practice, you got to have to have physicality within your defense. I don't think it's a game, football is not a game where you just turn it on. Look, the Eagles went from being horrible on defense to being really good. Now, Vic takes a lot of credit and deservingly so for making that defense better. But it was also the way they changed their strength and conditioning and how they condition the players. And I think if you ask Cali Roseman, he would say the changes he made in terms of the physical development of the players were as much to do as

the scheme change. I wonder how the food was over there in Philly, you know, that's being talked about Cincinnati has been for a long time food in the facility. Not not not to grace yeah make it in slop buckets no it does get enough a lot but I don't think they're doing that you remember they're developing they're changing they're paying a lot of money to a lot of people they're doing business hopefully bangles are able to figure it out what I was gonna say is for bangles fans they're incredibly

pumped I think they're just spending money. You're like, Oh, this is the first time Bengals and Mr. Brown and their family have really gone after anybody. Is it a style that can win in 2025? We shall see. We're running up here on a hard out about a 50 seconds from now. So I would like to ask you, um, did you read the 80,000 pages? Have you, have you got through the-

I'm working through it, Pat. I'm still working through it, but I think it's going to take me a little bit of time. I spent a little morning, I got up a little earlier this morning to read some of it. You know, I'm fascinated by it. I'm down the rabbit hole, as you know. It's just too good,

but I'm counting on Matt Crumpton, who runs a great podcast called Solving JFK, to read most of it, and then he'll educate me when I listen to it. 80,000 pages. How many pages is the Bible? Do we know how many pages the Bible is? Not anywhere near 80,000. So just think, 80,000. Somebody's going to get... Have you ever been to the LBJ library? I mean, he's got five floors of books just of his memorandum is see a Monday

We got it. We're good. We got it right on time 880,000 it says the Bible somewhere between 1200 and 1600. Yeah, so, you know So and the Bible would a bit more thick. Yeah thick the issue here is Who's reading through and picking and choosing what we you know now? That's the game Oh, we got plenty of people doing that Pat now We got some really good people in there that kind of kind of go through it and a lot of them I'm on the side that Lee wasn't on the sixth floor, so that's the side Lomba what happened 80, pages, AJ fucking read it.

Why don't you do it? Well, you know what? That's a long story. Connor, we don't have enough time to cover it, but it obviously it wasn't it wasn't a proud moment in our American history. Let me just say that. What a wild thing for it to be released now in from what I mean, that just dropped into my timeline yesterday.

Hey, here's the link, 80,000 pages. Get to work. It's up to you. Just tell them, Lambo. I'm like, I don't. I don't want to get to 80,000 pages. But then I was intrigued. Then I started seeing screenshots from the 80,000 pages.

I'm like, well, what was happening on the page before that page? And what was happening on the page after that page? There's a guy, there's two people that really have been the forefront of this. John Armstrong, whose all his papers are at Ballot University, which are incredible. He is the guy that basically uncovered the fact that there were a lot of Lee Harvey Oswald impersonators,

tremendous researcher, wrote a great book called Harvey and Lee. And then Jim Garrison, who was taken through the coals for his investigation in the trial of Clay Shaw But his documentation and his research and his really his studying of it is remarkable. Yeah, you got me You don't want to go down there. We got let's talk football Yeah, we'll get back the ball, but I do appreciate the fact that every once in a while. I'll see you a long both tweet That's just like a bullshit basically to somebody that's saying sound like oh this guy's really passionate this guy

Really passionate. Hopefully you'll get all the answers you need in that 80,000 pages and who's picking and choosing what we see that's now a part of the whole game I did see one redacted part a couple different those that seems It's all a love that. It's a wild time to be alive right now. It is a lot of time to be alive right now Let's move along back to the NFL. AP tone has a question for you Yeah, Lambeau the big story in NFL right now is what Aaron Rodgers is going to do There was news on that today that the Vikings potentially do not or are are not expecting Aaron Rodgers to be their quarterback Cuz they're going with JJ McCarthy now if you are the GM of the Giants, Joe Shane or the Steelers, Omar Khan, are you okay with just sitting back and seeing

what Aaron wants to do? Or is there like a drop dead date? Like, hey, by the draft, we need to know if you're one of the GM of those teams, what are you saying to Aaron? Well, I think you everything about when you put a timeline on it is do you have leverage? Right? Because you really don't have a timeline when you don't have any leverage, right? And so like where's Pittsburgh gonna get their next quarterback? I mean, I don't know. I mean, they certainly can't think

where they pick in the draft, they're gonna find a guy who's gonna come in and start for them, right? And so I know they signed Mason Rudolph back and certainly they don't think that he's, they had him once, maybe they think they can be the backup, but they lost two quarterbacks, they don't think that he's, they had him once, maybe they think they can be the backup, but they lost two quarterbacks, they don't seem to have any inclination

to want to sign Russell Wilson back. So that to me is, you can only have a timeline when you have another option, when you have an answer. And you say, look, I need an answer here, I'm gonna sign player Y. Or I need an answer here, I'm going in this direction. I mean, it's the same thing that happens in college football, in the portal and in high

school recruiting look here's our offer if you don't take this offer I'm taking somebody else down the street because there is somebody else but when there's nobody else down the street you just got to sit back and wait Mason Rudolph please is back in Pittsburgh. Dog. Okay, please understand that. And you like Aaron with the Pittsburgh Steelers? I think Aaron, I think if Aaron went with Mike Tomlin, now look, I know Atlanta paid Kirk Cousins too, so I think he probably is in this conversation because I can't believe even though they paid him

the 10 million to be on the roster, that they wouldn't do something with him to move the contract. So I think that certainly is. I know there's a lot of fanfare around Joe Milton and how he's going to be traded, but nobody really knows if Milton can play. I think if you're Pittsburgh and you've added this receiving corps, DK Metcalf and to go along with George Pickens and Freymouth

and to have some really talented offensive players, I think you've got to have to find somebody to come in and play right away. I would think they want to. I think they want an answer on Aaron and I think they're gonna have to wait as long as Aaron wants to decide hey Jay how long is he waiting got me man I don't know that's all I was curious to see if there was a deadline but it seems like there's not really I don't know how there can be because if I'm the agent let's just type it let's play this through if you call

me up and I could tell Aaron's you know I need a deadline Aaron's gonna say well who you gonna go with like who's my competition? Hey, who you going with? You know if you wanted to sign Russell Wilson back, you already would have done that if you wanted to trade it for Kirk Cousins I'm sure you probably could have done that by now So I think that's what you have to look at look everything's a negotiation and everything's about leverage. Where is the leverage point? it's on a beach in California right now, it seems like. And there's a chance. There's a chance he doesn't play, too.

Exactly. Right? AJ, that's still a thing or no? Yeah, I think that's definitely still a thing. I don't think that's a possibility, but it is. Yeah, I'm sure it is. Okay, so you are still steadfast that he's playing ball again. You. Yeah. Okay, I want to let you know, me over the last 24 hours, for some reason, I'm sure it is. Okay, so you are still steadfast that he's playing ball again you yeah Yeah, okay. I want to let you know me over like last 24 hours for some reason

I'm like what if this guy just retires like that is just because of kind of how it's all played out publicly and once again Aaron has said nothing Aaron has said absolutely nothing There's been I think Schefter put something out from those close hair, and it's like that's not real That's not a, we love Shefty and maybe there is somebody of notable that is giving this information, but that could be completely false too. Like that is, you know, just from an AJ, I need you to like kind of co-sign this,

but for like the last five years, we've been a part of this, you know, in the off season. And it's like, there's how many people that know probably what's going on to? Maybe maybe that's long bow. Yeah long bows not even in there long motor Say AJ's like maybe in the group of the people that knows and it's like a tight little group. So it's like What if he does? When it comes to Aaron I tend to not listen to I think part of the job of being an NFL executive is to understand what to listen to. I think part of the job of being an NFL executive is to understand what to listen to and

what not. And all the people that do this for a living, that do scoop, you know, there is a stat sheet, you know, there is a stat sheet you have to keep and you've got to pay attention, you know, and if somebody says X about Y, whether it's the place, you believe it. But if they say it about something else, we're in the lying season now in the NFL I mean we're in draft season everybody lies I mean everybody how many times have we've gone through this guy's hot he's gonna move up the draft boards and then he's sitting there in the green room forever so I think you have to really pay attention and grade the guys that are giving out information because you got to know whether you could trust it or

not yeah we got we got to pay attention to those doing the scoop. Yeah, exactly. We do gotta pay attention. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Lambo, when you were with us last in Indy, all the reports came out that said, hey, listen, the North Carolina Tar Heels, they're gonna be doing a hard knocks off-season type deal. And you basically said right away,

like, yeah, I'm not so sure about that. We haven't signed off on that. That probably isn't gonna happen. Will and behold, it's not happening. Was that something that you guys isn't gonna happen will and behold it's not happening was that something that you guys decided was that a university decision like how did that come to be because ultimately like i think all of us were thinking like that would have been pretty awesome to watch you know you guys yeah it would have been it would have been great the problem was that you know we we control the story we need to tell here. And the story we want to tell doesn't end after we play TCU.

The story that we want to tell is a story about how we're rebuilding this program. How we're going to honor the great players who have come before us. How we're going to restore Tar Heel football and make this stadium come alive on Saturday afternoons, like a lot of other schools in the ACC, that's the story we want to tell. And when it stops on the after the first game like Hard Knocks does, and it doesn't really do us any good to tell that story. And that really was the concern that we all had here in the building was,

we're storytellers. When you let them in your building, we're going to tell a story. And the story we want to tell was about how we're working to build this program and we're going to work hard to recruit and do all that. And that extends into September, October, and November. It can't stop at Labor Day. And I think that was more of the issue. Now, obviously there was a lot of misinformation, mostly from somebody who runs a website as we all know and Who's never gotten it right, but that's okay. He keeps writing it and

We'll continue to not listen to what he says because he has no sources and life goes on But I think that's what I was trying to allude to on that day Pat you're shaking your head. You enjoy that, right? We know yeah, yeah, I knew we were going to this place too. I mean, it was as you were rolling, because the day we asked you the question about it, it was just assumed, like, yeah, this is happening. Especially with Bill Belichick's relationship with NFL Films, he was living there. Like it felt like, so it was just like a matter of fact almost. And we all love the off season hard knocks. So I think people got excited about this being a thing and then boom boom boom and then you come on our show and it's Like, uh, I don't know about that yet and nobody even listened to you

Nobody even listened to you then no and then it got extended then it all of a sudden it became the NFL was mad Bill because he was doing hard knocks that remember that story that came out. Oh, yeah It's like a hat truth. All these things are like half truths. And then they get sent out and they become this is the actual tale. You're like we are definitely talking to the NFL Films people. We're talking to a lot of people though because we have something special here. We understand that but nothing has been agreed to. But that's like the world that we're in.

And then the reporting of you guys not doing it was like in a turn. It's like this was never a turn. This was never a decision that was this was never a decision that was made it was just falsely being reported as such that happens to uh that happens to a lot of people yeah and a lot of things on the internet these days you right yeah i think look at heart knocks is great and we love everybody in nfl films ken rogers i mean they're tremendous they've been great to us and the bill but i think to me it's really about what story do we wanna tell, right? And we wanted to tell a full story of our year,

and we still are in talks about telling that story, and eventually we'll sign a contract that has that story involved, but that's what we need to tell, because remember, we're recruiting every day. You know, Al Davis used to tell me this all the time, Pat, he said, you know, when you talk, and of course he said you shouldn't talk very much

But when you do talk you have three people you're talking to you're talking to the owner You're talking to the team and you're talking to the fans and when we talk here at North Carolina, we're recruiting We're recruiting to our fan base. We're recruiting young prospective players and we're recruiting to our alumni And so those are the three things we have to center on every single day and that's what that's our audience Our audience isn't doing something that's out of the car And I don't want to you know hard knocks is always the sad story about the guy getting cut that had a chance and it's very Teardropping and you know all that but that's not that's not our story Yeah, and it might take a year, you know?

It might take a lot longer than just an off season to flip a culture or to build a team. And also, whenever we inevitably see that docu-series over the next couple of years, people are gonna watch because you guys are absolute goats down there. Tell Bubba Cunningham, okay, that we know what he did. Yeah. And he knows what he did and that's not fair that's not fair we let's talk about San Diego State here we kicked their butt last night that was good I know I know you guys killed him

it wasn't even close to a game no it wasn't even 13 minutes left Lambo Lambo literally if you listen to everybody talking about it too, you know, it was like, uh, it shouldn't be in a tournament, but will they beat San Diego State? Everybody? Yep. Yeah, they definitely will. I mean, like we got no respect for, I mean, look, the Duke game, the last Duke game was the poor kid jumped in the lane. We had a chance to win that game. You know, now I know they didn't have their best player, but we had a chance to win that game. You know now I know they didn't have their best player but we had a chance to win that game. I mean you play Duke even like that you can throw a little respect on them please. Well you know the quad one wings yeah don't have enough yeah we're not

talking about the boys we're just talking about them. Oh god here we go all right. Now with that being said it would be awesome if North Carolina won on a run it would be. And we get to the Sweet 16 I'll be back. Yeah, I'm sure. And I watched you guys deliver pizza to the women's basketball team. Feels like you guys are supporting everybody down there. And

I'm going Saturday night. I'm hopefully we can beat Oregon State. Then I'm going to go Monday. I'm telling you, you got to bring the crew to come down here and see Carmichael. There's nothing better. I don't have a lot of people at UNC want us down there right now.

You know, we're going to let the streets cool off a little bit. But inevitably we will come and see that beautiful campus and we can't thank you enough for joining us Lomba. Thank you guys always good thank you much. Have a great practice ladies and gentlemen. General manager of the UNC Tar Heels multiple-time Super Bowl champion Michael Lombardi. Yeah They killed San Diego State, yeah, yep, it was really a game for like five their first half shooting like did they miss in the first half no, I know pulling up from the logo too. It was like Everything but yeah, of course they did like when you like you said when you think about everything going on like they had to they had no choice

Yeah, if you're a competitor at all, you were just literally called out by every person outside of your state It's like how do you respond? Well, it turns out they just they get 27 point win Oh, yeah, that's a that's what they decide to do They're scorching heart and scorching hot in March to like talk about like getting those nerves out first game They go the nerves are out now now all the pressures on Ole Miss. Yeah, literally everybody hates us. Oh, is that right? Okay, we're not supposed to be okay What a rally for like a team like UNC who obviously has all the big recruits, you know Just need something maybe to get them. Yep kind of aligned

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cause we went to a playing game at the Dayton arena, I think. I think it was when Vanderbilt was playing cause a kid from Plum was on Vandy. So they were in a playing game, I think at Dayton. Was that in Dayton? Do we remember? Yeah, it's always at Dayton.

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It's had an old school feel like you were mentioning, and feels like it's a great tradition. You have not experienced it yet, right? No, I have not. And as I say that, I now know that the Johnnys are playing in Providence, Rhode Island. I was gonna say, so a little bit farther. Little farther of a drive.

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they're all gonna do well yeah one of them is a movie you know just timeless classic that Arnold was the main character of and he's he's reprising the role in Terminator no the running man it's gonna be awesome awesome he's he's reprising the role and Terminator. No the running man. It's gonna be awesome Awesome. He's so charming. Yeah, he is. Mm-hmm. So handsome. Mm-hmm. So cool. So jacked. He's a guy Oh, yeah, and that Chad Powers series is coming out at some point soon here. I would imagine Congrats to all of them All right, let's get out of here. Let's enjoy here's upcoming. Here's upcoming projects for Glen Powell.

The Running Man, Huntington, Chad Powers, The Natural Order, untitled JJ Abrams Project. What's that? JJ Abrams is a big time director, producer, and how would that'll be like, you know, some action sci-fi type deal. Monsanto. Monsanto, isn't that that that was like some big company

yeah yeah there was like a big lawsuit or something so maybe that could be I don't know maybe like a courtroom drama or something. Young attorney Brett Weisner takes on a case against Monsanto on behalf of groundskeeper Dwayne Lee Johnson, do we? Who used the company's weed killer roundup and developed cancer despite Monsanto's toxicologist testifying to roundup safety. This is Iowa? Monsanto? Is it in Iowa? It might be. I'm not sure. I think I watched like a documentary on these seeds and I don't know if it was cancer seeds or if the seeds were blowing into another people's property.

That's the one you talked about with Christopher Walken and it was in like Canada, I think, right? Crazy. Yeah, I, the seed game is wild because these people had a patent on the seed basically and the seed was obviously something that wasn't Natural you get it blows into somebody else's farm They were looking to take that because it's their seat and it became a big all Yeah, yeah Cuz they they owned everything and like the surrounding areas then since it was their seeds that were just getting scattered everywhere. Yeah The farming world's wild crazy. Well, we're done this stuff with shows to the terminalist next series is coming out I believe very soon here, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah Jack harsh. Yeah, did he write a book? Where's bill?

I think there's a new book to the jack car. Yeah new book coming after I believe he finished it Oh, I saw a post. Yeah, I saw a post I just know the Terminalist series is based off. I believe this is the prequel one of Chris Pratt's brother in Taylor Kish who's in the first season as well. The explosive next thriller from Jack Carr cry havoc You can order now. Does that mean it's available now or is this pre-order? Probably pre-order I would assume these newer ones, they just keep getting scarier though. You mean he gets better and better? Well...

He's getting more accurate? Yeah, and it's more of like what's happening right now. Reeler and reeler. Yeah, he did an AI one, didn't he? Uh, China. Yeah. CCP. Is that his most recent?

I believe Red Sky Morning was the AI. Yeah, the most recent was China was developing a counter intelligence to counter our intelligence And then they started talking without humans, right and then you talk about if I remember it's like well who tells the Missiles to react to a missile. Yeah, and is there any yeah There's a big part of it where our AI is kind of integrated with our like our missile control and our Navy. Yeah. Spoilers. And what's this one here?

This one is about his father that was also a Navy SEAL and the original Navy SEALs. Well Beirut is one. Yeah. I'm talking about the- Yeah, the Cry Havoc is about his dad and like leading the Vietnam SEAL missions. Yeah, the Beirut is the nonfiction true story that he was talking about, that he was writing. So that's legitimate.

And all these other ones are fiction, which I think of as fake, right? Nonfiction, nonfake, fiction, fake. But all of his, all his fake fiction ones, seemingly all have, you know, because of who he is, what he's done, it's hard not to be like, oh, this guy is potentially mixing a little reality, and like all, I assume, storytellers are.

And it seems like they're filming a bunch of the series for Amazon back to back here, like the ones coming out in summer about the prequel, about Ben, his buddy that was in the seals from their original Terminalist series. And then they're doing the second season of Terminalist after the prequel. Bill is one of Jack Carr's biggest fans. Oh yeah yeah. Bill cited a cited a BB gun for Jack Carr. Perfectly. Real scope and fake gun doesn't really

fill the same. Yeah you really did it. It worked. You handed it over to him. I think it's Turns out you give that guy a state fair good once has the barrel like this. Yeah Yeah, hey, John. Yeah, there is a There's a level there's levels to this thing that had to feel so good for him Just get back in there and snipe the hell out of Arthur Official. Mm Arthur official. I mean AI was a psycho. He's gonna blow up the world. Thank God for Jack Garman. Thank God for Jack Garman. Freaking nuclear bomb that he slammed on the table. He did. I saw that when I was watching. There's no way that's real. He wouldn't slam that slam that down no way yeah that was just a good scene the scene what do you mean that was

my bad what are you talking about it was it was Kim Jong-un so what was Kim Jong-un that's crazy it was Kim oh yeah what was it Kim yeah that was Kim Jong-un yeah but I don't remember if that was Kim Jong-un. Yeah, but I don't remember if that was Kim Jong-un. I don't know. It might have just been somebody. Oh no. Oh no, really? No. No, I don't know.

It was pretty realistic. That was Kim. Thank God Jack Carr still got it, though. He's the best in the business. Yeah. He was just there. Yeah. He sensed it.

Mm-hmm. Knew it was coming. If people knew how impressive that actually was, I don't think it gets talked about enough in the shooting community, I don't know. No. I don't know, I know everybody talks about West Virginia winning the rifle every single year.

Everybody. Everybody does, everybody. Everybody. Can't go anywhere. Hey man, if you're good, hey, you got a good shot, you need to come to West Virginia. That's a mile near right there. We need you, we got you.

And the Americans need better representation in the sniper talk. Remember, we watched those trained killers at the Olympics. Yeah, that's right. With the one eye and the side. It's because all of ours are actually out there. Yeah, well, whenever you retire, you need to go on a gold medal hunt.

Jack Carr needs to go out there. He does. And represent the United States American Olympics. Or somebody from West Virginia, obviously. But him, him shooting this, I mean, moving target, the gun did not have enough power to actually be able to aim anything. So he had to have adjusted, he had to be shooting above head and then just never did the shot, nothing like that. From up there, there's the gun right there. Obviously, saved the world.

Right, which is pretty cool. But from that perch all the way down to the ground, I mean, it was like a... Probably like a quarter mile. Can't really tell. Yeah, we hit a soup can at two miles. Did he just it was unbelievable straight boom right off the head what a shot Thank God it happened. Thank you, Jack Thank God buddy George was there all right. Let's put up some shots for a giveaway and Let's try car There it is here run the whole thing. Let's just watch the whole thing There it is. Here, run the whole thing.

Let's just watch the whole thing. Let's just watch the whole thing. Oh, yeah, I haven't seen this in a long time. I love it. I love it. This is a great film. I think official, the world's AI authority has summoned the Earth's most influential doofuses

for an emergency meeting about the terrifying powers of artificial intelligence. Antonio Margeri. I forgot about that. From Italy. From Italy. Job two, not two. Vladimir Barovashnikovsky. That looks like Vlad. I forgot about Mr. Flauntreta. From Italy. Not too loud of me.

That looks like Vlad. Mm-hmm. Chad Speed. Fucking asshole. Jim. We catch up with them mid-dinner as Artie Fish tries his damndest to get the influencer's attention.

Jim, okay? Yes, that'll work. Great service. Thank you. Square-hand. Let's get down to brass tacks, boys. The real reason we're here. AI is a problem. It's gonna kill us all.

It's hard to take you serious with the way your face looks Yeah, I mean you look like fucking ass Was those fucking balls you call balls You guys don't understand you're not listening to me. Okay, I'm wearing this because AI can hear your thoughts They can get into your brain guys. We got no fucking brain Murder once again struggling to take anything you said serious my team told me I should come to this Like an absolute jerk off does this look like a joke, huh? That's a nuclear bomb Just like in Batman puts marbles in plastic you need You need a- you need a Guma, my friend.

You guys aren't listening! This right here. A.I.D. A nuclear freaking bomb. It's so good. Told me the only way to save this screwed up world is to blow it up. This guy awake? Wake up asshole.

He wouldn't hit somebody with a new gun. Don't you worry, this one is foolproof. I got it. I brought it here boys. Not just for show. What? Because I'm going to blow up the world right now! Because I'm gonna blow up the world right now!

Holy shit! That's Jack Carr! Turns out, that was an actual nuclear bomb. Yep. Arthur Isaac Fischl was gonna blow the entire world up, and Jack Carr saved us all. It was his actual first shot and Artie Fish is actually dead. Forever. Thank the Lord that Jack Carr sensed trouble.

His new book, which is the sixth installment in the Terminalist series, Only the Dead, is currently available at all bookstores. You buy it as you just watched he saved the world Hell yeah, Jack car. Hell. Yeah It was an actual nuclear bomb brother, yep, I know I said it right on it I know that's what they all do and an aerator confirmed it. Yep. Yeah, who also look was a waiter. Yeah Good wait There so he could tell the story he was the only one nobody would be he was the only one there Man, I watched that a long time a long time. All right on that note. Let's go to Marsha. Yeah, thank

Thank Jack are you Jack? Oh, yeah an opportunity to say thanks to Jack or you go ahead and do it because As it said like AJ noted and I forgot that detail. Mm-hmm that that was just Yeah How do we get the point across here right there, right? Are there officials probably just misunderstood Right here's just nervous. Okay, didn't come back as a drone and try to take a showdown? No, that was...

I don't know if that would... We still don't know who that is. Jack Orr saved the world there then too. Yeah, still not sure. Yeah, we don't know what happened there. I thought... I thought the narrator. I guess not. Alright, have a great March Madness.

We hope you guys win all your bets. Right? Let's go underdogs. Not all of them. You're betting all go underdogs. Not all of them. You're betting all the underdogs. Better all the underdogs again, yes. Oh, and two. So far.

Money line. Money line. Just that's all you can really do. It's more fun that way, to be honest with you. And then you really, you know, you have a dog in every fight and it is the dog. And let me just tell you, when that dog hunts, it is the greatest feeling in the world. Yeah. Last year you were up, right? After the first, yeah first four days Thursday to Sunday this first weekend is where it's like hey do

Strictly only underdogs after the first weekend do whatever you want because typically it does kind of fall off a cliff a little but it can get We're up like 16 units last last year, but you can have bad times Yeah, you you will have bad times, but remember, there's a chance that only one underdog wins tomorrow on Thursday, but that underdog might be plus 800. So you're up 200 bucks for the day if you're betting 100 bucks on every game.

The madness that we speak of is normally when underdogs upset somebody. And when that happens, you're not only celebrating the moment, but you're also cashing in. That has been your go here. Yeah, last March Madness was the most fun March Madness I've ever had in my entire life. So this is probably gonna be my go-to move

going forward with March Madness. And there's a chance you lose your ass this year. Yeah, definitely. There's a chance you lose in gambling, there's a chance you lose your ass. Always a chance. But like I said, I would very strongly suggest doing it for the first weekend at least.

And then, you know, you- If you're gonna do it, and only bet the amount that you're willing to lose. Yes. Yeah, of course We lose I lost so much money game little March Madness last few years Not this year Not gonna lose this not this year Selective AJ. We're not picking every we don't need to pick every you don't need to have every game You know Connor's doing every game the underdog that's his he's just doing there You have to to end up on top because if you don't miss one

Yeah, if you miss one, then you're just the biggest ass. I did it with con man I took the 16 seeds off because those are pretty much a guarantee They're gonna lose and that was very very helpful pretty much until until what? Well, it's like whenever you bet the thing on Blackjack that the three card showing will be a straight flush or whatever. Big O, what happened? Yeah. You hit it?

I hit it in New Orleans. And you were on it? Yeah, I was on it. Oh, what a moment. So you tell me, it was 750 bucks. Welcome to the jungle. Somebody else could have won that. They didn't bet it.

That is what we do here. No, other people do bet it every single time. Never get it. You know, that was a lot of people done in that casino. That casino was blasting shit. Without a doubt. That casino knew what was happening. Super Bowl, a lot of people here.

Let's have our fucking best shit. They did. The cards were like, this is our weekend. We do this. We do this. You come to our city, it's a home game for the cards. And also the dice. I saw the dice. They linked up with the cards as well. They're like, Hey, listen, we're going to have a good weekend here. We're

going to beat them. We're going to beat them. Dealers going, Oh, sorry, sorry. Sorry. Arms getting tired. Actually take that. A lot of tricep work here. A lot of pushing this way. That was life down there for me, at least. Yeah. I mean, that's a week. that's a gigantic week for that casino think about it they have to win they did yeah and yeah I guess that's how they viewed it too yeah yeah yep there's some casinos that we thought were givers that was one of them take them off the board yeah now what's the jacks casino cleveland cleveland cleveland that's a smile is coming out of that casino that's what Givers that was one of them take him off the board. Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, what's the Jack's casino, Cleveland? Cleveland Cleveland That's a smile is coming out of that casino That's what you need to judge smiles coming out when you're walking in go ahead and give a little look see it everybody leaving

What's their mood? They just all fucking lost. Okay We're donating to the city today. That's what your thoughts are going in down now you get your expectations People smiling coming out jovial group. Okay, maybe the casino is given today and that's just kind of how it goes AJ It's good to know that I did not look at people coming out of the New Orleans casino when we were going in actually Yeah, people are looking at me though. I think when I'm on my way out there as we were the first ones in That was a problem any after yeah We're the ones that set the tone on what the day is gonna be like for other people. They saw us Potentially. Yeah, we were Are ones that set the tone on what the day is gonna be like for other people saw us

Potentially. Yeah, we were Are we you know? We have any reservations in I thought this is gonna go a lot better Classic casino stuff. All right, if this goes in, we're all in. Oh no. Ah, it was close. This one. Oh no. It's an American game.

That's an American game, yeah. The thing about the international ball is it slips off the pinky. It's a slick ball. That's because Europeans don't have pinkies. You got one under the, you got it under the. Oh, this is what it was supposed to be the whole time. Yeah. Oh no, bank! Yeah, you got one under the you got under the oh, this is what I'm supposed to be. Yeah

It's alright, yeah, I got one here I go in here bonus This is really good of all of us here Yeah, just go ahead and see oh Oh yeah. Nice. Bam. Bam. Oh my God, still didn't make it. All right, I'm not betting this weekend. Okay. See you guys on Monday. Yep.

Okay, I'll have the next week. What I just did has nothing to do with any of you. Don't you worry about that, obviously. Sure. Okay, have a great March of Madness. Boys in the back, great work this week. Good work, boys. Graphic boys, good work this week.

Good work, boys. It's all our guests. Thank you so much for your time. We did a lot of college basketball. this week. Good work, boys. Graphic, boys. Good work this week. Good work, boys. To all our guests, thank you so much for your time. We did a lot of college basketball. Obviously, I feel like we know more than we've ever known in the past going into the tournament. A lot of football talk, a lot of narratives, a lot of rumors, a lot of stories, and we'll continue to talk about very topical things happening in the world every single day. Something trends for 24 hours. It's probably going to get you about. You gotta do it. And that's what it's like doing daily sports, daily show, and tomorrow we're off, Friday we're off, and we're gonna go watch these games just like everybody

else. Enjoy it. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice in my change of life. We're in this thing together. Team on me, team on three. One, two, three, team. Goodbye!