The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1322 - Final Four Recap, National Championship Preview, Ovechkin Breaks Gretzky's Goals Record, Ian Rapoport, Jay Williams, Seth Greenberg, Mark Messier, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 7, 2025

On today’s show, Pat is LIVE from Minneapolis ahead of tonight's Monday Night Raw on Netflix while Darius, AJ Hawk, and the boys are back in Indianapolis and Ohio, respectively. They chat about all the biggest news stories floating around the sports world including the Final Four over the weekend, and preview tonight’s National Championship between Houston and Florida, discuss Ovechkin breaking Wayne Gretzky’s goals record, MLB having 5 walk-off game winners yesterday after another exciting week, UCONN winning the women’s National Championship in dominant fashion, and the remaining NFL stories including Julio Jones and Terron Armstead retiring, and Shedeur Sanders’ NFL Draft stock after the Colorado “Showcase.” Joining the show to wrap up all the pertinent NFL stories of the week is NFL Network Senior Insider, Ian Rapoport. Next, National Champion, National Player of the Year, #2 overall pick of the 2002 NBA Draft, and NBA/NCAA analyst Jay Williams joins the show to chat about Duke’s collapse in the Final Four, and how tonight’s National Championship matchup. Later, long time basketball coach, former ACC Coach of the Year, and current ESPN NCAA men’s basketball analyst, Seth Greenberg joins the show to chat more about Florida vs. Houston and why he’s excited for this matchup of good on good. Lastly, 6x Stanley Cup Champion, 2x Hart Trophy Winner, Hall of Famer, 25 year NHL legend, and ESPN NHL analyst, Mark Messier joins the show to chat about how remarkable Ovechkin’s accomplishment of breaking Gretzky’s goals record is, how much longer he thinks Ovechkin will play, and how he’s evolved over the course of his career. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’re off the rest of the week. Big Night AHT is Wednesday Night in Pittsburgh on YouTube, X, and TikTok LIVE, with the reair debuting on Hulu on Thursday, plus the Masters on Thursday and Friday. We’ll see you on Monday, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to this program on a glorious national championship Monday April 7th 2025. This program starts right now. Sports are happening in a big way and we're so incredibly lucky that we get to cover it especially on a national championship day especially on the first day in which we get to talk about a record being broken that nobody thought was going to be broken, especially on a day where there's numerous sports that are rising to the occasion to make sure we are all entertained with competition night in and night out.

And I am live here at the Target Center in beautiful Minneapolis, Minnesota for tonight's Monday Night Raw live on Netflix. First raw back in America, it's gonna be glorious. It's 8 p.m. Eastern. A lot of magic will be happening here. And then on Wednesday night, we have big night. And had a chance to do a little bit of a rehearsal for that yesterday, kind of a stage run through. And it's gonna be a magical evening.

8 p.m. Eastern on YouTube, TikTok Live and also streaming on X. Big surprises, big sing-alongs, big laughs and massive giveaways. I think Wednesday night is going to be an electrifying evening as will be tonight when the national champions of the men's college basketball world will be crowned will it be Houston who somehow with less than a minute left we're down six against Duke team that was supposed to be untoubleable and some people were saying that the Duke team tricked this one off and I believe you're gonna hear some people back in the Thunderdome that are gonna say that what I would like to

say is this Houston team showed up in the biggest of times their defense is what anybody would talk about their defense was what people said that Kelvin Sampson does differently in his practices He actually has his boys basically do football practice if you're gonna play Houston. It's gonna be a long damn Game and obviously Cooper flag couldn't buy a bounce at the end of that game I mean he was rattling out bank shots were banking out everything was happening But Houston got fire and Houston's defense took over that was an electrifying finish to a final four in a madness of March that hasn't had much madness until this moment being certainly the largest

good luck and congrats to Houston who takes on a Florida team that Seth Greenberg from SEC SBN has been saying has been the team all year long. They got a guy named Mark Clayton Jr. who's doing shit that hasn't been done since Larry Bird. Averaging 30 points basically throughout the biggest games of the season here down the tail. Took over at the end of this game against Auburn. It was literally him versus Auburn at the end of the game.

Florida pulls away. Florida goes on to the national championship to take on Kelvin Sampson steam now Well, Kelvin Sampson steam foul the shit out of Walter Clayton jr. I would assume I would assume that that is gonna be something that they will do but they try to do that to everybody this Clayton jr. Guy is electrifying. He's able to make his own baskets. He transferred. He is a veteran and Florida teams fun to watch as is Houston now back to the boys in the Thunderdome one half of the hammer Cowboys AP tone tone whenever we look at tonight's game. What are some of the

Gambling things we should be thinking about before we lay our shekels on one of these squads Yeah, before we move forward we must go back and what's been the story of the tournament the whole tournament it's been the favorites. The favorites just ripped out Boston Connors heart in the first couple rounds because he was betting on all the underdogs to win on the money line and they did not and that that trend did not stop Pat. For the first time in history favorites went 12 and oh straight up in the sweet 16 and elite 8 Before the Duke lost before that Duke lost There was 15 straight

Favorites that had won straight up before that Duke lost they were on a run that they could not lose So story the tournament has been of the favorites winning now Florida is the favorite tonight if Florida were were to win, they would be the greatest against the spread champion of all time. What? Woo! 29 and 11. Thank you for what you've done. Yes, they'd be 29 and 11 against the spread.

Would the Florida Gators be this year? Now, if you want to look at that, Florida favorites, that's where you go tonight, if that's how you want to take this. Now, if you want to go the over Florida favorites, that's where you go tonight. If that's how you want to take this. Now, if you want to go the over under route, we know how Houston plays. We know how hard they play. We know the tempo they play at that. We know the defense they play at Houston.

Unders this tournament have gone four and one. That's just kind of how they play ball. It's just kind of how their ball games go. But on the other side, Florida is four and one to the over. So if you think Houston can control the game tonight with their tempo and with their's four and one to the over so if you think Houston can control the game tonight with their tempo and with their defense maybe lean to the under but if you think Florida's gonna have your way then it's a potential over game that scenario but the way the tournament has gone

favorites and unders have actually been the way to go this tournament so we will tonight. Okay. Hell yeah. No, no, no. One more. Nope. Nope. Nope. One more. There. Can you hear me? That's on me. I got a new keyboard over here. I'm trying to work with it and I think I'm potentially freezing up as well. If that ends up happening, we'll just reconnect this zoom call. But whenever you talk about this Houston defense in the under would like that for the first half, wouldn't you? Cause national championship, maybe get a little bit tight, especially if you're a shooting team. Let's go to nine year NFL vet and host of everything. DB good D bad D from a Yukon. Obviously he didn't play basketball up there, but they're certainly tat and their greatness at this moment.

What are you looking at for tonight's game and congrats to your Yukon Husky women winning their 12th? Is that what the number is? 12th, 12th, first one came back in 1995 and now obviously 2025. Another one just utter dominance from Geno O'Riom and the squad. Paige, Paige Buckets. This was for her you know this was to kind of put that that cherry on the cake cake cake icing on the cake all that good stuff, man She's like been absolute dog had a phenomenal career and now she can go amongst all the other greats that play at you Can you saw Taurasi Sue Bird? They had to show obviously and all the legends that were in the crowd Bree Stuart Maya Moore and many many more but our absolute

Absolutely dominant run belt to ass over South Carolina defending champs. But this was great to see Paige go out like this. Big Sarah Strong, dominant, dominant, best freshman in the country. So we'll be on her back for the next three years. Fudd as well put on the show, the big three did their thing. But tonight, you talked about it, Houston, they're dominant, dominant defense with Kevin Sampson and the other coach. A big 30 year gap between these two coaches. But Walter Clayton Jr., I don't know where he was ranked,

where he is right now on the big draft board, but back to back, 30 balls, in the biggest moments of his career. Betting on himself getting to Florida. I think he was like the 69th ranked guy in the transfer portal a couple years ago. So better than self sticking to the script. This game should be a banger name. I can't wait for it Yeah, I can't wait for it as well

And the one shining moment video should be great and we'll talk more about the national championship with Jay Will who'll be joining us At about 1240 Eastern and then Seth Greenberg will join us in the second hour And then we'll have the moose cap and Mark Messier join us in the second hour as well to Chit chat about history being broke this past weekend and the chase by the great eight has been happening for the better half of the Season this year and nobody really expected this particular record to ever be broken actually in 2016 Alexander of etchkin said that the goals record set by Wayne Gretzky back in the 90s was never going to be broken because it sounds Like a number that is absolutely ludicrous, which it was You know

There's a lot of records in sports that a lot of people assume are never going to be able to be caught For one reason or another what Wayne had been able to do throughout his career was unprecedented Obviously and heralded as the greatest of all time Which is why he's the great one then this Russian goal scoring machine came over to the NHL and all he has done literally since landing here is score goals, rip net, clap bomb city. He'd sit in his office, ball come up or puck will come over. How's it going?

Stick to net guaranteed. I'm Pittsburgh Penguins fan. So Sydney Crosby, Gino Malkin, Chris LaTang, Mark Andre, Flurry and the boys. They were winning Stanley Cups at the beginning of Ovi's great career, but he was the biggest rival. Will he ever be able to get it done?

Well, he did. He wins a Stanley Cup, celebrates the hell out of it, becomes a baby face, and now he's a man who's gonna be remembered as the greatest goal scorer in the history of hockey. Congrats to him, because not only is he a goal scorer, not only has he been around and putting the NHL on his back for a long long time, decades and plus almost two decades in this entire

thing, but he is a dog. You're talking about a guy who's willing to fight, you're talking about a guy that was willing to stand up for his teammates, you're talking about a guy that has been loyal to the Capitals, you're talking about a guy that his teammates love, you're talking about a guy that his teammates love you talk about a guy who crack open an ice-cold beer having a great night this guy is everything that you want to think of whenever you think of hockey you know and does he have the greatest smile maybe not is he the most handsome guy maybe not does he have a dad bod yeah will he house a couple vodkas if need be yeah you get him on the ice he's able to put the puck in between the posts better than anybody in the history of the sport. Wayno was there

obviously to celebrate him and Wayne said that anytime somebody was to break this record, he wanted to be the first person to congratulate him. He obviously wasn't able to do that because his entire team celebrated with him on the ice, as did the New York Islanders fans in the arena at this away game. And it was such a perfect goal for Ovi to break the record on. In his office, little bit of touch, absolutely electrifying. And what the Islanders fans and the Capitals fans are in that building did immediately after it went in, just a superior moment in sports.

And let's go to a man who used to host a show called, that's hockey talk, Frankie skates in the back. Nick, obviously this was a record nobody thought would be able to be touched. This dude's special and I think we're lucky that we are dominant and he is a massive piece of it. So it's awesome to see it happen in real time. It's history in the making. It's great to see everyone come together and celebrate it because for a lot of his career, he was polarizing in the sense that, you know, he wasn't the best defensive player he was maybe a Kale McCarr or Nathan McKinnon someone like that but it's absolutely awesome to see and it's

incredible for the sport. Yeah and I saw Wayne O'Reilly right after saying you know hey you get to 900 I'll buy you a car so maybe Ovechkin keeps going do you think this is it Nick like is he done it has it been talked about? Is him kind of retiring, sailing off into the sunset after this run? Or do we think maybe Ove runs it back one more time? I think, I don't think he's done.

I think a while ago, maybe this might have been it. This might have been the only thing to play for. But now the Capitals are a good team again. They kind of went through a mini rebuild a couple years ago where they were not playing well. And now they're back on top They're poised to make another cup run. So why walk away now? I mean at the pace he's going you play two more seasons

You got a shot at scoring a thousand goals and making this record almost absolutely untouchable for certain and there's no one else like him He doesn't he's not the hardest trainer. He's not the hardest worker. Look at him. Just pounded a brew. Gotta love it. Allegedly drinks, you know, Diet Pepsi on the bench, eats his Flamin' Hot Cheetos, and you know, just still goes out there and crushes and dominates the game. He's one of one. They'll never be another like him. He does it his own way. He takes all the criticism and just keeps going through it. He's been healthy his entire career, like I said, that just goes to show the break in the leg thing earlier this year, absolutely insane to come back

and play through that and recover from that so quickly. And it's uncanny and I don't know, I don't know how you match it. I don't know, he's a unicorn, he's one of one. The great eight. Yeah, if he was done, him and Beer League would be pretty sweet. So I mean, if he's just gonna call it,

maybe he goes back, you know, KHL in Russia or you know It hangs around Washington and just crushes a few beer league hockey games who says no, you know Why not any other records in reach Roe v? I'm sure there's like some power play goal records and things like that But this was the main one This was the focus and you can kind of like the Capitals haven't been winning a lot Of games lately and I feel like this may be something that was hanging over the team's head I'd look for them to go on a bit of a run here now that we got what four or five games left down to the

playoffs because Now that this is over. I feel like everyone can breathe a lot easier and just go out there and have fun This was just like whenever Steph was trying to break the all time made threes record. Do you remember that? They're like kind of forcing them it Steph was kind of forcing it a little bit. Not as many were falling and whatever they they literally had a tracker just on a vet skin and he even when he was sitting on the bench, I tried to watch the game and it was just an event skin a vet skin cam and then the game cam and I appreciated it because

obviously I love greatness and I love whenever people make magic and whenever history is broke and records that are seemingly untouchable become Touchable and become like almost human but it was the entire Focus of the NHL was seemingly on OV breaking this record and if you're a teammate of his you got to feel that pressure too Like oh, yeah Do we got to give him the puck not that you shouldn't be getting him the puck? But I'm just saying like we're in the middle of a moment that's gonna be remembered forever And I want to say the attention gets taken away from the games itself, but they definitely did

I mean they're losing these games Ovi scoring two goals And it's still like a happy night for hockey fans because it's like Ovi's about to get there this capital steam can win Another cup this year and since they got this out of the way what a weight Lifted off of their pads What a what a relief I assume to get it out of the conversation before the most important part of the hockey season Which is obviously the playoffs as you see Batman out on the ice with old waino All the hockey greats obviously celebrating. We'll talk to Marc Messier In the next hour about it It's just like what a perfect dude for it and what a perfect time for it good for hockey hockey is awesome now not only hockey not only college hoops

and we'll talk NFL here in a matter of moments with Ian Rappaport but there's a there's a sport that's called a pastime that might be our new time baseball's happening let's go to the talks at table at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt Ty Schmidt baseball had an electrifying weekend is that what I heard yeah absolutely there were five walk offs yesterday, five walk off wins, which again, you know, yeah, massive, massive, especially early on. First one we got here, Wilmer Flores walks off the the Mariners for the the Giants. A lot of people want to talk about the Dodgers and rightfully so.

The Giants have only lost one game this year. That NL West is absolutely ridiculous. So, you know, a single not not, you know, we're not talking about a 800 foot walk off homer, but anytime you're ending the game in the last inning, it's, you know, it's absolutely phenomenal. Next one here, Jonah Haim for the Texas Rangers, they walked off the Tampa Bay Rays in the ninth inning. Same deal. Walk off single. The, uh, the Rangers, another one of those teams, not a lot of people talk about, you know, they made it to a world series a couple of years ago, one one, they have the best record in the AL right now. So, uh, we, we, when we stayed down, uh, for

the national championship, their brand new ballpark was right there. It's beautiful. They got a fun team. Uh, and then, you know, this is going to make, uh, is going to make honor come back into the fray. Uh, will you're a bray you with a walk off single off the green monster. This one was in the bottom of the 10th. This was the first of a day night double header that the red Sox and the Cardinals played. So again, you know, we're not, not a whole lot of walk off bombs, um, which could be a little bit more exciting, but then you got, you know, something like this, the Detroit tiger Spencer Torkelson former number one pick who's kinda been trying to find his way and solidify his place in

the MLB. The tiger scored three runs in the bottom of the ninth to walk off the white socks. Uh, and I mean, you just see, look at that, you know, I don't know if they're The Tigers scored three runs in the bottom of the ninth to walk off the White Sox And I mean you just see look at that, you know I don't know if they're throwing like baby powder that didn't really look like water but the Detroit Yeah, exactly. It's Detroit the boys get really juiced up and then obviously the last one Unfortunately, we knew yeah We knew this was gonna happen when Roberto Clemente jr. Son basically said like hey if you guys don't put my dad's number back on the outfield wall, we're gonna disgrace and ruin the pirates.

And then like moments later, Tommy Fam, with a walk off single to send home the Yankees and salvage potentially getting swept. So again, you know, we're not talking about, it's not like the torpedo bats and we're not getting a bunch of like the 500 foot home runs, but having five walk off wins in one day, pretty solid for baseball when you got the old veggan stuff going on and the final four in the national championship.

Like baseball kind of, you know, I'd say they held their own this weekend when, you know, a lot of the other sports had, you know, pretty, pretty big storylines happening. Baseball hasn't sucked this year. No, no. I'm like very happy about that. You know, I was talking to, um, Michael Cole about it. And you know, Cole loves baseball, but it's pretty simple is what it kind of bared down to when your stars perform. Your league's in a good spot.

Like that, that is any league. Like if you have stars better, if your stars perform your league's in a good spot like that that is any league like if you have stars better if your stars perform well best case situation baseball right now they're stars they're stars in new york they're stars in la they're stars on small small market teams even the bats have become stars these torpedoes and all of them are showing up you think about like paul skeens he shows up i think his like Paul skeins. He shows up I think his next time pitch is on Tuesday. I think it's gonna be 38 degrees tonight I think it's gonna be 38 degrees or whatever, but he's gonna show up. We know he's gonna show up show Hey, what's on he he's gonna show up just like when it's the bottom of the ninth and it's a tie game

Show hey, what's on he's gonna walk right into the batter's box and he's gonna do his thing when you're start Aaron judge He's gonna show up Juan Soto now I know Yankees fans don't want to hear this and I saw a cut of him playing out in the outfield I guess they say he doesn't show up they're not very fair to his you know his defensive prowess but at the dish you're right he is always gonna show up but that's a big deal I think for your sport you know just like the NHL stars Alexander Ovechkin Star showing up in a big way Connor McDavid obviously running through last year's playoffs to get the Stanley Cup and I went shows up You know Kachaka the boys show it like when your stars are showing up for your sport. I think you have a great sport

It's whatever your stars like kind of you know, don't play or you know Do some things that make people hate them. Like that is when I, what's that? It's a little tough. I think I know what sport you're going to, but it does make the sport. I, you know, when you say those things, maybe you weren't, but kind of a, you know, a light goes off in your head like, Oh, the NBA, of course. Yeah. I think that's what everybody kind of are showing up, the NBA, of course. Yeah. I think that's, I think that's what everybody kind of know all the stars are showing up in the NBA. The NBA had a most port for the most part. I mean, look, a lot of people are talking about. Okay. See now last week,

you know, okay. See, I heard Mike Greenberg talking about ball and a ball. They're great. They're one of the best teams ever possibly. One of the best regular seasons of all time. Yes, he did. He said the 85, he didn't say that one of the L teams ever possibly. One of the best regular seasons of all time. Yes, he did. He said the 85 he didn't say that one of the Lakers teams at the 96 fold. Then he said the okay. See thunder. Cause okay. See thunder's point differential is over plus a thousand. But then the lake show comes to town. They go to that tiny shit hole Oklahoma city. Oh, guess what? LeBron and Luke and Donkitsch are doing no look passes all over the yard and they beat the piss out of the thunder. And I know if you're Thunder fan you're going to say what we're going to win 70 games then you guys are only going to talk about when the Lakers come to town and kill us. That's kind of unfair.

That's also not true because we talked about when the Thunder beat the Celtics so I completely get that but no basketball is also in a pretty good spot. Pat I mean the Western Conference we're talking about a playing game I believe happening this week and those playing spots right now I mean between the eighth seed and the sixth seed I think there's half a game difference between those teams and some of those teams are very legitimate I know the Clippers are right on the edge there the T Wolves and Ant right on the edge as well And then some of those matchups already in the first round in the West are incredible. We're kind of moving towards the Warriors Lakers again, not so much the five four spot, but three six now and then the Nuggets Clippers.

That would be another incredible little matchup there. And of course, okay, see still very, very well ahead of the pack. They kind of locked in to that one seed but the basketball is heating up and also on the east you know I have to say yes the Celtics covered a 19 point spread last night no big deal 19 points who cares we got it Celtics also broke the record for most three pointers in a single season but look at this Indiana baby this is the state of basketball the Pacers went over to the Denver, you know, and who knows if the altitude helped them.

I assume it did, but they got a massive victory over Yocachin the boys. Russell Westbrook actually almost murdered a kid on the court because he dove over trying to get a loose ball. Gave the kid a swift, swift elbow to the jaw, but it didn't really matter. Kid was a true champion about it. He was unfazed, but seriously, the Pacers, Hal Burton, all the boys, they're kind of

playing their best basketball at the perfect time. Obviously Denver's one of the better teams in the league and they kind of took care of business, especially in the fourth where you thought, okay, here comes Denver. Maybe, you know, the Pacers kind of let this one go. No, thanks. They hung on one by five. Uh, and if you are a Pacers fan right now, you are kind of getting that feeling of, you know, 2024 like last year where they got very hot and you know, the matchup there, that verse, the bucks, them and the Bucks have had some bad blood so it would be a fantastic time For the NBA to have those kind of matchups in this first round

Well, listen, I appreciate the breakdown there great work Connor We've been saying since the all-star break that the Pacers are the best team in the NBA now were they maybe not maybe a couple Other teams up in there, But the Pacers have been balling. Tyrese Halliburton is on like a record-breaking streak right now. Something like 200. Yeah, here it is. 201 assists, only 20 turnovers. Morgzie Buggs, dog, is the only other person to do that since 1983-1984. Tyrese Halliburton is the man. And look at his perfect Puma shoes. You know, he's so clever. I love everything Ty Reese is doing what a win against Denver you go back to that. Okay see game ESPN research sent over

the Oklahoma City Thunder have spent all season long 12 minutes in 17 seconds trailing by 20 plus all season and then against the Lakers they spent 28 minutes and 54 seconds trailing by 20 plus so crazy to talk about a one game Anomaly and an ass-beating of this Oklahoma City team the Lakers certainly did that and now is Lucas still done for is he still? A waste of a pick or are we okay with them now? I think he's good now. He's pretty good So I know look pasts ridiculous Yeah, I love Austin Reeves and LeBron James talking shit to each other afterwards in the locker room I mean, I I really like how this team has seemingly come together. I like how LeBron

And I mean, maybe I'm paying attention to it more Maybe because we're a little bit closer to the whole situation feels like since the LeBron Versace. He is he's been a lot more loose Yeah, it was like him talking shit to Austin Reeves, him talking on the sideline, him chit chatting with reporters, him laughing. I've really enjoyed watching Braun since the LeBron conversation and I'm not saying anything has changed, but I'm just saying it feels like there is a vibe shift for that Lakers team from my perspective whenever we watch them. I think they're not, I think they're likable. What happened with Dallas, with Luca, obviously Braun for what he did for us, we like him. Austin Reeves talking his shit and doing his thing, dressing the way he's dressing.

It's like JJ Reddick is an animal. It's a likable team somehow in LA. And yeah, we'll continue to cover the NBA season. We're lucky to be doing it. Shout out to the NBA performing. And once again, stars showing up. That's a big deal. Joining us now is a star from NFL Network, senior insider

for the NFL, friend of the program. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rapaport. Rapi, thank you for joining us. Bob, I know you're super busy. We just talked about all the other sports that are happening. What's the big news around the NFL? Shador and the Titans cancelling their workout. That feels like that's the big news a couple retirements What is the big NFL news of the day here rap sheet? It kind of feels like the Shador thing right so obviously on Friday, Colorado had its showcase Not a pro day, but a showcase which it was awesome. I think it was pretty awesome. I would agree with that Scouts Dion yelling at Scouts telling hey, you don't tell my guys how to ride 40s. You just got here.

Get the hell out of the way. I think Shador did a great job. I think Travis ran some great routes with no gloves on his hands. I feel like it was a win for everybody at this showcase. Go ahead. Yeah, no. Well, there's a lot on Travis Hunter and I want to get to that in a second because him deciding to run routes but not doing DB drills is interesting but hold that for one second.

The Shador Sanders look good and if you are someone who wants to draft him at 2 or 3 or early you saw enough where you're like alright like obviously the talent is there, the arm strength is there, I don't know who said he couldn't throw deep they were all angry about somebody saying that. I have not yet found the culprit of such accusations, but he has proved that that is not the case. And then, you know, you sort of get word that the Titans mutually cancel the visit with Shador, which I would say to me makes sense, because it looks like the Titans are going in one direction. They haven't officially confirmed or announced, but it looks like they're going in one direction, which would be to select Cam Ward at number one. And then

if that's the case, then I'm not sure what the point of a Shudor workout anyway is, especially when it worked out for the whole world like three days before. So that makes sense, but in the context of like giving us an idea for what the Titans want to do, I think that's why it kind of stood out to everyone as maybe the biggest news of this weekend. Cam Ward going number one to the Tennessee Titans, seemingly signed, sealed, delivered. Big convo around NFL players was Shador patting the ball, you know, patting the ball. Obviously that is fun on the internet and if you on the internet.

And if you follow the internet, a lot of things are gonna become storylines. Darius Slayton in there, Mike A in there, numerous others chit chatting about Shador. And that is kind of what Shador is. He is a lightning rod. Anything he does, people are gonna talk about. He actually said that in a press conference.

He goes, anywhere I go, there's a spotlight. I've been kind of followed through it all. And Andre Siskos says, boy, better stop patting up. But we break it on it. And, uh, I like the way he types out his words. I appreciate that. Then Darius Slayton of the giants. Okay.

But he made here of Shador. I promise you can pass the ball. Be just fine. Okay. He throws me 15, 20 balls a game. There's going to be no problem if he's padding it before it leaves his hand, but him, Shador even mentioned it. 20 balls a game there's gonna be no problem if he's padding it before it leaves his hand but him Shador even mentioned it like everything he does gets

Followed everything he does get clicks. I mean he's got people talking about his pro day and whether or not he's patting the ball I just saw a video of drake may working out. I think he patted the ball a couple times I think a match I think Aaron even every once in a while will do that But is he doing as much as you should or is doing it? You know like this is like Chador Sanders football teams know that they're signing up for a lot of attention teams Know they're signing up for you know all eyes on their brand What do you think happens with Chador after the pro day? And what do you think he I don't want to say kind of earned after his pro day or what is the combo about him? I thought he looked good while I was watching a pro day. I actually thought to myself like

You know, they say open competition quarterback here in Indianapolis Why don't we? Just I like the way he looked at the pro day, but what is the kind of the convo now with him? Well a couple things I would agree with what Shador said afterward and he's talked about this publicly before like he is in the spotlight Everything he does no matter, more than any other draft prospect. It's not like unprecedented. There's a couple of these draft prospects every year, but it does seem because of his

last name that it's ramped up a little bit. So I want to tell you guys a quick Shador Sanders story, and I mentioned this during our combine coverage on NFL Network. So the lead up to the combine, I was trying to figure out what Shador was gonna do at the combine. Was he gonna throw there? Or was he gonna wait for his pro day? So I contact someone who kind of works with the Sanders family and I say You know, who's the point man? Like he doesn't have an agent who's kind of the person that media talks to so I could figure out if he's throwing and The response I get is coach will contact you directly.

And I'm like, coach? OK, well, there's not that many coaches. I'm like, would probably be Dion, but that's kind of strange. But OK. Five minutes later, I get a FaceTime from a number I don't recognize. I answer it, obviously. Dion Sanders, which was fun because I had my kids in the car

and they got a big kick out of Dion Sanders FaceTiming. Oh, Dan's famous. He's got Coach Prime calling. Right. This is a photo of him. By the way, Max then told people at school and they were like, yeah, sure, Max. Pretty funny. But anyway, so he's like, what's going on, Rap? What do you need? And I'm like, I want to know what Shador's doing. He goes, hold on one second, gives the phone to Shador and he goes, talk to Rap Sheet. And so we talked, told me what heador's doing. He goes, hold on one second. Gives the phone to Shador and he goes, talk to Rapshee. And so we talked, told me what he was doing, told me why, explained the plan,

and talked about a couple other things that he was focusing on the next couple weeks. Hands the phone back to his dad and he was like, you good? I was like, I'm good. And it was just an unbelievably mature, level-headed, grounded way of handling what could have been a huge issue but like Dion wanted to make sure that Shador handled it himself.

And I was like, this is not normal. And so like whatever comes at him, like this is someone who really is trained to handle all of it and I was pretty impressed by that. Yeah, and there's a lot of people bringing up, you know, well, how many wins did they have Colorado and yada yada yada and it's like they they literally rebuilt a program over there. Like they know granted did they have a reality TV show happening at the same time via social media?

Yes. Did they have a documentary happening at the same time? Yes. Coach Prime is he one of one? Yes. There's like a lot of outliers Travis Hunter Heisman winner obviously might be the number two overall pick, which is what everybody's saying. It's like that certainly helps, but they had to rebuild an entire program his toughness obviously shine physically and mentally

It's just whether or not should door is the guy for your team I guess comes down to a couple people enjoying his personality Is that kind of what it is now like because that was like a little bit of a chatter What do you think it is at this point and it might have been Orlovsky? That they were getting mad about saying because Orlovsky said he wanted to see him step on one That's what he wanted. He said he wanted to see the ball come out of chedors. Remember is that what it was? Yeah, I pop Pop out of his hands

He said he wants to see the ball come out of his hands and he wants to see him like step on one really drive One, you know like Orlovsky said that so I don't think he was saying he didn't believe it I think he was just saying 55% of Chedors passes in college were within five yards of the line of scrimmage He wanted to see him open it because Dan or Lovsky's super, you know analyst Yeah, super analyst here So like I think that's what a lot of he said But I do appreciate if they got pissed off about it could have been others But like is that what it is? Is it like are you ready for?

Like kind of everything else that comes with it the teams are trying to figure out or is it whether or not teams are trying to figure out they want a quarterback early still well their teams that need a quarterback no matter what like the Browns need another one from somewhere the Giants don't need another one because they signed Russell Wilson but they don't have a quarterback of the future they They could definitely have one. There's plenty of others. It's really just, is it worth the selection?

If you take Shador Sanders, let's say you think he's a mid-first round pick. Let's just say, pick out a random evaluation. Let's say you think that, but you take him at two or three or six or wherever the Saints pick or whatever it is. Is that a reach or is that worth it? And are you passing on a generational talent like, let's just say Travis Hunter. I mean, these are the conversations about the value and what it's worth. Um, I don't think it's like, like, as far as the personality goes, there's a lot that goes into drafting a quarterback.

And I now, I think going into my 13th year doing it, and I really have no idea what differentiates a great quarterback prospect who's gonna succeed and one who does not succeed. Like it's been, and obviously like teams have been the same both. There's a lot of busts, brother. There's a lot of busts.

Nobody talks about it. There's a lot of busts. Yeah. Agreed. You gotta figure out the mental makeup. That's why you would think a guy who's been a professional since he was a child would be good. But nonetheless, let's move past Shador. Let's move past Cam Ward. Let's move past Travis Hunter. There's been some news about somebody attending the draft. D-Bud has a question for you.

Yeah, you're talking about these quarterbacks coming out. We pretty much got a good grip on who's going to be the top two. But what are you hearing as far as Jackson Dart and then Jalen Milrow taking the invite, accepting the invite to go to the draft in Green Bay? I know that surprised some people. What are you hearing about his stock as well as the draft gets closer? All right. So first of all, on Milrow, I have not confirmed anything about a draft invite, uh, and at animal network that isn't Those will get announced when they get announced. Um, whoa

Oh no, yeah Here we go. We got a little source off. All right I will not confer. I mean it makes sense, but I will not I do not touch those. Those were getting announced um Okay, if a player if a player gets invited, let's just say, if a player gets invited, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're going in the first round. It means a plenty of teams view him as a first rounder or whatever it is.

Right? Like, cause every year there are players who get invited and then don't get taken in the first round. You said, Oh, well, this is a first round pick, but this other guy fell to me. I'm gonna take him instead. And the guy falls, falls out of the draft. So like, it was interesting to me when I saw the report. I don't necessarily know that that means Jalen Miller was definitely going to the first round, but it does seem to mean that he's in that conversation, which like, like you're saying D-But, does that make us kind of go like, all right, hang on. Like, is he in contention to be the third quarterback taken? Sounds like he is. So it'd be like Jackson Dart, who could potentially be the third.

You have Jalen Milro, you have Quinn Uers. Like, the evaluations are all over the map. And that's why I was not surprised when I saw the report, but I was like, all right. Like, this really is more all over than I even realized, and was gonna lead to an unbelievably wild first and maybe second round of this draft. Yeah, the draft spectacular should be just that. And maybe we'll see you out there in Green Bay,

because all the branches, which are happening all over the place, I would like to say in my life, even though some happening sooner than later But yeah draft night should be incredible in the reason why the college conversation about quarterbacks Coming into the draft is so big is because what is the veteran quarterback market? Well, it's kind of already settled in a little bit except for one guy AP tone. I have a question for you rap Yeah in a a local Pittsburgh Steelers accumulator account

took your video from this morning on the latest on Aaron Rodgers and said that you said if Aaron Rodgers is going to play in 2025, it's going to be for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So does that mean things have changed where the Vikings are now 100% out instead of 99% out? Or what's the latest on Aaron? I appreciate that. I would say the Vikings are as out as they could be right now. Like if Aaron is not signed by like August

and something terrible happens to either the Vikings or someone else, he would be the top guy available by a lot. I think Ryan Tanhill was in this situation last year. Tanhill ended up not signing, and that's where it stays. I would be very surprised if Rodgers waited till after the draft. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't the Steelers, if he plays. What I have not 100% been able to nail down

is is he absolutely definitely playing? And I think that's why This conversation is sort of still ongoing plus like as you guys know Unless I am inside and Kyle Brand actually asked me great question on good morning football was like how do you report it? I just because his circle is so tight and it's like You do it by sticking to what you absolutely know. And so what I think about Rodgers, what he's doing, isn't really as meaningful as what I know. And what I know is he had a good visit to the Steelers.

And what I know is that he has not signed yet. That's basically it. And so that's kind of why I said what I said. I still believe that it's probably headed in that direction, which is what Art Rooney said. But until Rodgers comes out and says it in whatever form, in whatever show or form or broadcast. Rap, rap, rap, why don't you, rap, why don't you give Aaron some opinions or your advice? Why don't you do that? I'm sure that'll work out too. You know, you talk about

knowing or opining upon, why don't you tell him like exactly what you think he should do? Go on. You think he's watching right now? Probably, right? No, but a clip will get to him for sure. He might be, yeah, he's not watching right now, but the clip will make it to him. Not from us, but from somebody I would assume. Why don't you just tell him, tell him what you think he should do.

Tell him exactly how he should handle, you know, his career, his legacy. I have opinions. Do you want to know my opinions? Yeah, quickly, because because we got to get to J-Will the national championship here soon. But yeah, what are your opinions? You think you should go to Pittsburgh? You think you should sign with Pittsburgh? You think they should have a hell of a team next year and go on a run? Take as much time as you need. Talking about it on TV. Okay, all right. You're going to do the complete opposite. That's good play. That's a good play.

All right, last questions here coming from the talk to table back to back. Go ahead good play. That's a good play. All right last questions here coming from the toxic table back to back Go ahead boys. Hey rap sheet We had Trey Hendrickson on the show last week and he basically just said like he was kind of surprised by Katie Blackburn's comments. He thought it was like a April Fool's joke essentially about her saying hey like he at some point He just needs to be happy with what we offer him Do we see there being any kind of resolution with this in the near future? Is there a potential that something's going to happen before the draft, whether he gets a deal or he gets traded? First of all, great interview. I thought the whole thing was very, very compelling and

excellent. Thank you. Thank you. It got weird. Not your interview, but the hearing Katie Blackburn, who really does media, say that was really interesting. I mean, I was like, I kind of thought the same thing. Not April Fools. I hate April Fools, but like I was like, wow. Look, it's been a little spicy. There's been two trade requests, one last year, one this year. This year actually is permission, but no trade has happened. So like, yeah, it's a little messy. I believe the Bengals would like to keep him and pay him and make it work. They are not in the business of letting good players go, so even when they

granted him permission to seek a trade, I believe their best option was to sign him and pay him. We'll see if that happens. I still think it is very, very possible. And if that happens, despite all the mess, it'll be a really, really good off season in Cincinnati. Absolutely. And, uh, you know, Kelsey Conway, incredible reporting there with Katie Blackburn over in Cincinnati, Trey Hendrickson seemingly does love the Bengals. And he said he was told last off season that they'll get a deal done this off

season. And he now understands Jamar Chase T Higgins got to do what they got to do But I think he's like you guys are telling people that you're gonna get a deal done You told me you're gonna get your deal done and then we haven't even talked So I don't know how that works out Hopefully it does work out because Cincinnati has a stud sack King last question here for the boss and Connor Yeah, rap feed another guy who's kind of been floated out there is being traded Tyreek Hill What's going on in Miami with him? Is there a chance he actually does get moved again?

Or are they probably gonna come to some sort of agreement because I believe it was Mike McDaniel who said last week at the league Meetings like hey Tyreeks been in the facility more than any other offseason this year Yeah, I saw he posted something where it was like mimicking a phone call then it was like yeah this one and I'm like are we still doing this? Sorry, football. I would not be nothing that would happen in the NFL ever ever ever gotta make your bed before you make you do this social media I mean you just gotta make your bed. I'm just saying.

What a routine. You know what I'm saying? At least do the thing where you fold over and the pillows are there. Whatever. I'm a big bed maker. I make my bed every day. Yeah, but you do. Yeah. Yeah, I bet it's definitely you. Yeah. No, I do. Your wife does everything for you.

No. Yeah. No. We know. No. I fold the laundry and I make the bed every day That's all I have very few other chores, but that's what I do. She's if it were a little close Okay, nonetheless nonetheless, I appreciate the fact that you're watching this just going what is this about? I thought we were already past this and now we're potentially right back in it and he needs to make his bed in the hotel

That he's it Yeah, I mean that's basically sums up my thoughts. Like I would never say never on anything. I would be surprised and also make your bed. All right. Hey, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. Thank you for keeping us updated. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rapoport. So not a lot happening in the NFL right now. Julio Jones announces his retirement. Congratulations Julio on a hell of a run. You know, Coach Saban came on the show and talked about how Julio reset the standard

basically at Alabama. Told people like, hey, that's not how we do it around here. Everybody that talks about him says how great of a teammate he was, how great of a leader he was. Obviously, he is a guy that is built differently than everybody else. Could have one of the greatest catchers in the history of football, but his team gave up the biggest lead

in the history of the Super Bowl. So whenever you talk about Holyo drones, you talk about a physical specimen that changed games that everybody loved. And I appreciated the fact that he was just so damn dominating and 2011 got to see it up close and personal personal and I don't know how he caught that. Still to this day, I have no idea how he caught that. AB right there on the coverage, great work out of him. And I do appreciate

that throwback YouTube decided to have Colts highlights on here. And that was the one we went with. But yeah, watched him go bonkers one day in Lucas Oil Stadium. D-Buck he was different man he was just a different athlete you could obviously speak to that more than anybody else. Yeah he was a different dog he's absolutely the epitome of a game record like his size you know whatever the Falcons I remember they traded a bunch to jump up in the draft and go and get him early in the draft but his size speed quickness combination you can see here his ball skills actually being able to go up and get him early in the draft. But his size, speed, quickness combination, and you can see here his ball skills actually being able to go up and catch that ball.

So week in and week out, he's a game worker. I believe the most games for a wide receiver over 250 yards, an ultimate separator, an ultimate game breaker, and then a great guy, great character guy in the locker room and off the field. Never really caused any problems or real big concerns off the field for his team, teams that he played for in the NFL. But Julio Jones, he's right there in the top tier of wide receivers when it's all said and done.

And we know how tough it is, when you start getting the Hall of Fame conversation, wide receivers especially, he will definitely be in there and it'll be a conversation about if he can get it to the first ballot or not. But congratulations to Julio Jones on a phenomenal career what was the platform he announced it on great question something I never heard ever heard squat squad my why maybe is that what I was whatever the case if he's a part owner of that congrats to

him doing it his way legitimately okay let's pivot away from the NFL let's go to the national championship happening tonight. Joining us now, national champion Duke legend, obviously a host of college game day, basketball version and all over ESPN during basketball season. Ladies and gentlemen, in front of the program, Jay will. What's up boys? I miss you guys. Hey, I know you have a big production meeting That's currently happening and the fact that you're missing it the chit chat with us

We are grateful for big day for college hoops. Let's talk about it Your Duke Blue Devils had it your Duke Blue Devils had it and I know Cooper flag couldn't buy a damn bounce at the end. I mean his last shot wasn't his best shot But before that we're talking about out we're talking about bank shot boom out it felt like the tide turned the basketball gods bless Houston but that's because they're great defense and obviously we don't top it what are your thoughts on the Houston comeback win and how do you describe it because a lot of people are saying dude choked it away I think Houston won it what are your thoughts on it OJ my first thoughts are I was on the court before the game and I

saw the referees and I tried to hand them something I was like hey maybe I should offer more I should offer more PM that's you know that's that's the first fuck up on my part but lesson learned lesson learned going next time around you know it's crazy about it the one worry and I'm talking subjectively to you guys because you have to think of you guys are my boys, right? Like, and I was like, I could do the whole objective thing and like break down basketball. We all know.

I was worried about my squad not having real game pressure experience. And like, PM, all you guys know this, like there have been moments in games where we have all gotten tight as hell, like really tight. And if you don't have real game pressure experience, so at the course of the season, all of a sudden to be on this page with 55,000 people, everybody going wild to like, they, they didn't throw inbound passes. They tried to place the passes, right? And all those are little things of like a young team with a young finish or lack of experience. And Houston just has dogs, man, that stayed in it,

that didn't quit. Cooper's still dope, he's still great. You wish he would have made the shot. That would have immortalized him. I still think he's one of some of the greatest players to ever play at Duke, but man, it was just, I was sick. Literally, I was with Ken Jeong the whole time. We were both sick the whole game watching it.

Dr. Ken Jeong, obviously massive Duke fan. Coach K was in the building for it all. I saw him walking through the back and this Duke team was supposed to be unstoppable. And it felt like they were gonna be that way. And Kelvin Sampson and the boys, just so much grit. And I can't help but respect the hell out of it they're taking on a Florida team that might have one of the best college hoopers what the last 10 years of Walter Clayton jr. this

guy makes shots whatever he has to took over the game late against Auburn in the final four does something that hasn't been done since Larry Bird did it what are your thoughts on his Florida team and are they gonna be able to handle Houston's pressure Kelvin Sampson's dogness that Houston has? Look at that lake. Can you see that? Pretty yeah It's I said I said this a Couple of days ago my friends and once again like you always got to put this caveat because you'll start running away with things

Like I'm not saying he is these two players and their pinnacle because these two players are the best players in the league his game reminds me of elements of what they have think about a marriage on the college version of Steph Curry and Dane right like there's a shiftiness that he has he can move he gets his shot off and also like he does we we were talking about Steph the other day, he just does shit on the court where you're like, that's, how did you do that?

Like, why did you try that? You know, and he has a lot of that to him and he's on a Kimball Walker like run, better though. His numbers are better than what Kimball Walker did in 2011 where he took them through the Big East and then obviously to a national championship. And what Houston has to do, PM, is it look anybody can beat you but this dude. This is the one cat get the ball out of his hands blitz him on every ball screen and Houston has the dogs and the discipline mentality wise to stay in his pocket.

Like you keep your cash in your pocket like they have to stay in his pocket like that 24 because you can't allow him to get a breath because he just pops off for like 10 15 points out of nowhere if they can do that and they can have a good offensive game They have a legit chance to win, but they can't Florida's gonna walk away with it Yeah, and the question about the Duke Houston game was if The ref is calling it tight. It'll be for Duke if it's not you know It'll go for Houston which is kind of like the way you talked about it And then Cooper flag gets called for the biggest foul of the entire game interesting little dynamic there with that being said Uh debot has a question about that houston tactics. Yeah, we're going to talk obviously big match

And we come down to them, but how abnormal you've been around the college game, you know forever now How abnormal normal is Kelvin Sampson's approach and his practices? And we've seen some clips of his practices. We've seen pictures of the team, damn, they look like a football team. Their mile, uh, you know, how fast they all run the mile. Like how abnormal is that from what's typical on the, in the college realm? Damn D, I don't know if I've been around forever. You make me feel like I'm over here like Benjamin Button, man.

Okay. I'll be OG forever. You make me feel like I'm over you like Benjamin Button, man Okay, I'll be oh gee sad, yeah I'll take you know, what is I in a day and age in which everybody's getting paid? Like alright the story about he told about Joanne Roberts. I love this shit so much, man It's so obviously he's not a good free throw shooter, right? And he told him that last year every day throughout the summer. We have to make a hundred and fifty free throws daily Hundred fifty and I don't know if you guys caught it if you guys got video of the free throws that he made Like you're talking about a 55% free throw shooter Like I was above that and I was tight when I went to the free throw line with the way my college career ended

When this dude made the first one, here's a sign went to the free throw line with the way my college career ended. When this dude made the first one, here's a sign of a bad free throw shooter, even at that mark. Like you make it, you still try to take a second back like you're nervous. This dude, when he made the first free throw, he told everybody, yo, calm down, calm down. I'm like, what? Bad free throw shooters don't do that type of shit. They don't tell everybody else to calm down.

You're the one telling them, you'll calm down. You got this. He's telling them, and that's how Kelvin Sampson gets these dudes. There's some real life, he talked about being born in the 50s and dealing with like racism and real things. Like there's real life experience and dog that he brings to the table.

I'm glad to see has risen to the ultimate platform of the National Championship game. I appreciate their practices just as football people watching those videos of how they kind of go about it there has to be a mental toughness that is built up and obviously it showed up in the Final Four will show up in the National Championship we shall see let's talk about that Duke team a little bit more Connor has a question for you. Yeah Jay well obviously there's been some fodder around Duke You know in the last 10 years with coach K and John Shire and just not being able to

Kind of win in the final four and they ranked him against all the other teams that have but with that being said do you think? The way Cooper flag is the way you know his relationship is with John Shire Just kind of the bond that this Duke team seems to have. Do you see a reality where any of those guys come back or do you think this is a lot of one and done's on this team? Or do you think maybe, you know what, Cooper Flagg's still gonna be the number one pick next year. Washington sucks, who wants to go there? Maybe we just run it back and hang out and kind of do this whole thing again and maybe get the job done

I Mean as much as I wish that was the case I I just can't see I mean first off anything that's gonna be up in the lottery is gonna suck Yeah, right. That's how they're in the lottery and Ever since they put in the salary cap It's hard for me to tell anybody not to come out because I just economically right? Yeah, how soon can you get to your next contract? Mm-hmm. Do you get like think for Cooper fly think about how many max contracts he can get so many right?

So if you're getting to your next contract three years fourth year team option He's gonna be 22 and if you sign another four-year contract, you're gonna be 26 you sign another back contract You'll be 30 you'll be in your prime You can probably sign and you can sign for max contracts so like I'm trying to start that that process as soon as possible and You know if that means I'm in Utah that means I'm in Washington We've all seen this before with Eli man and like you could try to force different things That's why you have an agent here CAAAA boy shout out to my boy, Vino

He would like to do some of the best things they could do with it and that's how you have to do. Oh, I Don't see anybody coming back. Damn. Shut up. Shut up. You know, shut up. You know, he's the best We say that too in football if you especially if you're projected to be the number one overall like let's go ahead and do that As a question for you about the NBA before we get out of here. Hell yeah. Yeah. J well, when you were on last week, what up, what up? When you were on last week, we, uh, we talked about the Lakers demise cause Luca went over 60 can't play defense. Well guess what? They just blew out. Okay. See? So it was, is okay. See dad, are the Lakers going to win a championship now? What realistically? Cause a lot of people were talking about, okay, seeing the calves cause they, you know, they were the best number one season in both, but now they're kind of, you know, after that loss the Lakers and the Cavs,

I believe, were six and six in the last 12. Are you worried about those teams at all or is that just one law? No, man, it's the same thing I said the other day with the Lakers, right? I was like, yo, man, like, Luca, obviously, I know who he is defensively. I just said, look, if he's gonna be marginal defensively, he has to be prolific offensively to give him the best chance to win right most people like oh you're jumping off the band Like I'm like come on man. We just talking real basketball here They do with prolific the other night they do a 22 points in the first half and I highly doubt Okay, so he's gonna keep switching poor Hardenstein. You know that moment I told you guys about the other day when I was guarding white chocolate. I was like, that's the real Jason Williams

He had so many possessions defensively like that shit where he was just on the island by himself But this is who the Lakers are when they make shots. He shot 63% in the first half. They're they're killers now I don't think they're gonna shoot 63% You know for the whole game from the field if they're going against okay See and also guys like okay, he's kind of in cruise control a little bit here Like they got number one seat locked up. They're not stressing but still like this shows you the ceiling for the Lakers So I'm not concerned about okay, see but I like seeing Luca play this way Offensively down the stretch going into the playoffs. Thank you. Jay will pat froze

So we got to get him back when we're coming up on a hard out. We appreciate you, man Hey, I do you hey I'll be back in three come on back are you crushing your bills defeating your monthly payments sounds like you're at the top of your financial game rise to it with the BMO Eclipse Rise Visa Card, the credit card that rewards your good financial habits. Earn points for paying your credit card bill in full and on time every month. Level up from bill payer to reward slayer. Terms and conditions apply. My parents have had a lot of time on their hands lately. At first, it was nice. Hey mom, can you drive me to soccer practice? Sure can. We're having slow cooked ribs for dinner. It was awesome.

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on Hulu with behind the scenes footage on Thursday, April 10. And then obviously tonight the national championship between Houston in Florida is going to be exhilarating and magical as somebody tries to chase a shining moment. Kelvin Sampson, an absolute dog with a team that is gritty and it came back from six with less than a minute left in the Final Four against Duke taking on Todd Golden and the Florida Gators and Walter Clayton jr. who is you know he's a mix of Steph Curry and Tyrese Halliburton and Luca Donce and everything good basically in this basketball world. We'll talk to Seth Greenberg here in a matter of moments to chit chat about tonight even more after a convo with Jay Will. He looks super cool. Obviously he was heartbroken because of what happened

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The talk table is here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Boys, how you doing? Start with you con man. Sweet shirt today, pal. Yeah. Thank you very much. Uh, it's a red sock shirt. Everyone here knows, you know, I'm in it for all 162. I've been a baseball guy since day one. I love baseball, but I am all in on the red socks. Last night, Sunday night baseball time, mentioned the walk off in the first game of the doubleheader the second game I mean the Red Sox Sox scored 18 runs. I don't know. Is that entertaining? Yeah, it is not to mention they had a pitcher get called up Hunter Dobbins in his first ever

Major league start and you know, the camera kept cutting to his parents his mother and dad were in the crowd She was crying after his first career strikeout. It was just a full spectacle of baseball. But yeah, I'm a baseball guy now. This is me. This is the life I live. I'm going to start carrying around a bat and a glove and just probably have a bunch of catches with all the boys who love baseball just like me.

So Sunday Night Baseball was a good watch last night, you're saying? Yeah, it was great. Ravi and the lads crushed it in the booth and they are still doing the cool mic up the outfielder while he's out there. They actually had the guy mic'd up during one of the Red Sox massive innings, so it lasted like a half hour. This guy was in the field talking. He actually turned out he got like two or three kind of like grounders to right field a couple singles that he had to rally while being

miked up Devers is coming alive and Bregman the guy who came over from the Houston Astros and may I add there I can't confirm Bregman was not part of the cheating that went on in here and he was he never did anything. No garbage can No, he got garbage cans. The boys asked him. Hey, do you want the garbage cans? He said no, no I'm an honorable man. I play baseball the right way. He's still great He hit a moonshot to center field actually huge for the people who bet on him to hit a home run Which so what some of us did so socks? him to hit a home run, which some of us did. So socks back, hopefully the Yankees in the socks, that rivalry heats up.

Gonna need Jaren Durand to use his frugal language a couple of times at the Yankees perhaps, and also gonna need maybe a couple guys to get beamed in the head. Judge, you know, I'm putting the head out on Judge. We're gonna need that to happen. I don't care who it is. Middle finger fastballs that Aaron judges head. Yeah middle of the back

Yeah, sure head Calf, you know, let's get this guy where it hurts jazz chisel them hope you're wearing knee guards buddy because you're getting a fastball to the knee cap because Yankee's a telepitch You want this to get a little heated? Yeah. Yeah, we need it come back. It'd be the best thing for baseball I think everybody would agree Yankees Red Sox is one of the best rivalries in sports baseball Especially so if they were to get you know, maybe a Pedro Martinez, you know DZ situation We're the oldest fattest man Yankees sure dugout runs out in a you know benches clearing bra

We can have Rafael Devers Who's just DH and now maybe hit him with some sweet chin music? You know maybe a uppercut to the gut of one of these fatso's that works for the Yankees It feels like that rivalries and kind of be back early in the season for all that to happen would be pretty wild if that's how they treated game 11 of 162 game seasons. And baseball is doing it. And I think it's good for our program.

I got a text from Michael Cole just a few moments ago. You guys really talk in baseball. Ty, you've been wanting this for a long time. I don't know how long it will last, but it feels like we are a little bit of a baseball program right now. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where, like, especially right now, I don't know.

Maybe it's just recency bias because it's going on right now, but it seems like stuff in the football world has kind of like slowed to a stop. Maybe it's because free agency wrapped up so quick and like this year with the draft, it seems like outside of Shador Sanders, like there aren't as many question marks in the past. So like in years past, like when the baseball season starts, we may mention it, but it kind of it just whimpers away because then we have so much to talk about with football and everything. There are still guys out there. But like you said, like when the stars are actually performing and for the most part, like guys like Shohei and Judge and Soto, guys like that are always going to perform.

But what really helped baseball this year was the torpedo bat stuff in like the early running. Cause I don't want to say it kind of like took over the sports world over opening weekend, but like that, I mean, we talked about it a bunch that following Monday, everyone was kind of talking about it. Like, wow, look at this, you know, offensive outbursts that all these teams are having where we'd kind of been talking about in the past. like one of the issues with baseball is like You're gonna get the big-time home runs from a lot of these teams

But like pitchers were just dominating guys strike out so much and then boom first weekend of the year We got you know, like the Yankees hit nine homers on the second day of the season We got all these other teams that are scoring a bunch of runs like big time players are moving cities I mean the second weekend we have here. We have five walk-off wins like paul skeens with the pirates and some of these other small market teams like there are stars everywhere and it's one of those things where if there's really You know like there's there's still good basketball games on right now Obviously as like the playoffs get closer.

But if you're in the middle of the week and there really is nothing else to watch, and you want to watch sports and you don't want to watch one of these bullshit TV shows that like are on basic cable that you know some people just can't, you know, can't get excited about. Like there are baseball games every single day and we've been lucky enough now through the first week and a half two weeks of The season we're like at least one or two awesome things has happened every single day in baseball So I I do hope we keep talking about it now granted the Pirates need to keep winning because I think that will kind of fuel And like fuel your interest a little bit more which certainly will help but But again, it's tough. You mentioned it. Like yesterday, Pirates,

Yankees, I think there were like 21,000 people there. It looked so fucking cold. It was like 32 degrees. Everyone's wearing like sweatshirts. It's like, so yeah, Paul Skeens is going to go out and pitch. Like he's going to be absolutely miserable out there. So like, as long as we can kind of just, he will be, man. It's, it's ridiculous. It sucks playing baseball when it's that cold. It just now it's gonna suck It's gonna suck to have to try to swing a bat at a Paul Skeen's pitch at 38 degrees with Authority after just looking and talking looking at and talking to Paul Skeen's he's gonna say it's 38 degrees for everybody now If that's 99, 100 degrees, is it easier to get a little loose, stay loose,

kind of let the arm do its thing? Certainly, Paul Skeens was built for it, which is why he wants to take the Pittsburgh Pirates to a World Series. He said it, not me. He said it on me, okay? He said, wild card, not enough. But it does appear, yeah, to Connor's point,

it does appear some of these teams certainly a little on back end a little bit more than maybe the Pittsburgh Pirates. Have you seen all the clips that came out of Pittsburgh Pirates opening day? You're talking about the ownership walking through the stadium saying, you know what I want to come, I want to be a common man. I won't go walk out there. And as soon as anybody recognized his face, which is very recognizable, a sell the team

chance started. And then there was a Paul Skeen's New York Yankees jersey, which everybody in Pittsburgh was like, yeah, that's kind of what it's probably gonna happen here in a couple years So I think we all kind of understand but I do appreciate the fact that you understand that the reason why I'm talking about it Specifically is because Pittsburgh Pirates are in a part of a combo with Paul skeens the next great one So I can't wait to continue to talk baseball, especially if baseball continues to show up But this week is different than any other week. This is masters week. Let's go to one half of the hammer.

Cowboys AP tone masters is obviously something different. It's special whenever they go down there, Augusta, it's so beautiful. It's so competitive. It's a nice weekend of listening to the birds chirp, Jim Nance do his thing and all the golfers from all the different brands of golf competing. That's a big storyline here, right, Tom? Yeah, it is. And you talked about the birds chirping and the azaleas are blooming and we'll go down Azalea Lane and Magnolia Lane, sorry, and we'll tee off Thursday morning

with Tom Watson, Gary Player, and Jack Nicklaus. Those will be the honorary starters on Thursday. And you see the odds on favorites to win the tournament Scotty Rory Morikawa Oberg Shofley JT Yep, and there's the other ones Bryson DeChambeau John Rahm the live guys will be here all of the greatest golfers in the world are Playing starting Thursday on ESPN. Yes. It's time to download your masters app so you can watch that on Thursday morning I just looked John Rahm We were we've been talking in the office like is John Rahm playing golf? We weren't sure. Yes. What do you mean? Yes. Yes. He's playing golf. His results, his results. He has not finished worse than ninth in live this year in five events. I don't know how many guys play. I don't know if it's 10 to 15 to 20, but he has not finished lower than ninth on. So I'm pumped to see Rahm out there. Well, I think he was he was I think he was tenth once and then they did a super cool coin flip on the 18th green and he Ended up at ninth. I think there's a lot of people talking you don't think so. Okay

There's a lot of people talking about live this weekend, by the way, it was on Fox I think 1 p.m. Eastern they had the entire that some people watched it I think some people saw it and then obviously it was a stacked leaderboard And you said John Rom little bit hot in this live golf season seemingly is what you're kind of alluding to here Yeah, I looked it up. So this year he is finished second six six fifth and ninth hasn't won an event But you know top five of top ten in every single event So I assume he's coming in on Bryson's been like top 15 and all the events once again I don't know if that's good or not on the live tour. I assume it is like top 15 in all the events. Once again, I don't know if that's good or not on the live tour. I assume it is. I'm waiting for someone to correct me if it's not. Obviously,

Patrick Reed always plays well in the Masters while P. Neiman's coming over. Like all the big dogs are going to be there. That's all we've ever wanted. All we want every week is be able to watch the greatest golfers in the world compete against each other. And for the first time this year, we're going to be able to this week. Nine year NFL vet and live super fans. Darius J. Butler, obviously in the Thunderdome. D. Butch, you can wrap up the live convo with the boys and how they're going to do it at the Masters, but also you should pivot to college hoops. Obviously UConn, something special.

I don't know if we've ever paid enough attention to the women's college basketball season, men's college basketball season, or the women's college basketball season, but I always expect Yukon to be great. Then they weren't there for a little bit. You guys are back on top. What a storyline. Is this all because Paige Buckets is an absolute dog? Is it because Oriyama is all the way back in his bag? Here's a stat Hembo sent over to me about this Yukon team and Gino Oriyama 20 point wins in national title games. Okay, John Wooden has three

Gino has five No other D1 coach has done it more than one time So when you're talking about just dominating whenever you get to the end of the road Whenever you beat the hell out of everybody and you have your last opponent This is the one that's supposed to be your biggest challenge. This is the one who has earned their way to the championship This is the one who's also been dominant all year this Yukon ladies team just did what we've seen them do in the past and just beat ass What are your thoughts on that D?

Butch and you guys all the way back or is it over now cuz pages leaving no I think as long as Gino is there, we'll be all right. And look, in the early parts of the dynasty, we got, a lot of people say, hey, they just got the best players year in and year out. The thing about women's college basketball is those best players are gonna stay there for four years. But over time, the Tennessee's, the LSU's, the South Carolina's, Notre Dame, Sanford's, all these different programs have grown,

got top tier talent in it. But what Gino has done from the top, Gino and Dame, Sanford. All these different programs have grown, got top tier talent in it. But what Gino has done from the top, Gino and C.D., like I said, their first championships was 1995. And all of the greats over all those years, whether it's Rebecca Lobo, you know, Barbara Turner, Tarasi, Sue Burr, Maya Moore, Brie Stewart, who won four Natties in a row. Like this was huge for Paige.

We know she's been through injury wise and I saw on the internet I'm sure everybody seen at this point that class that came out with Paige injuries Caitlin Clark Cardoza, I believe Cameron Brink they all you know pretty much all either played the national title or won a national title So this was huge for her I think Tarasi when they was on the show and they put you know three time biggies played here three time You know first team all--American and the last thing was 2025 national champ. And Tarasi was like, that's the only thing that matters. So that is the standard for UConn and everything Gino does with that program is

especially starting with the best player. The best player is always the hardest worker. The best player is always leading, always the tip of the spear, whether it's practice, whether it's playing, running off the court to the bench running into the tunnel You know not over dribbling a bunch of passing paying great team basketball both ends of the court So I'm just impressed 12 and one in national championship games as a program men's and women's 18 and one overall So once we get there, we're gonna get the job done Once again, just showing why we are the basketball capital world their stores in Storrs, Connecticut. So congratulations to the ladies once again.

Yeah, I saw Coach Hurley talking his shit too. You know, I saw that. Obviously, UConn celebrating this is a magical thing. Congrats to the ladies winning. And can't wait to see what Hurley does with the squad next year. Who'll be the men's national champions? We'll find that out tonight as Houston and Florida play joining us now is a former college football national champion a Super Bowl champion a Ryder Cup winner ladies and gentlemen AJ Hawke. What's up Hawker how you doing? What's going on? I'm doing great.

It was 8259 in the national championship I'd say that's pretty damn good for for Gino and the girls so yeah congrats to your squad D squad D But that's impressive. Appreciate you AJ. Five of those 12, he's won by 20 or more points in the national championship, which is Pretty dominating and I saw some people on the internet saying Pretty crazy that I was even in this conversation for a few years there. Yep. I agree, you know, and I like to see What's that? Well, I don't know if you remember last year though pad Gino actually couldn't get it done against the Hawkeyes. So, you know, oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying that I know Yeah, that's what I'm saying, you know, yeah

No, but you know What we're not talking about either is Gino, you know whether whether this is true whether it's been confirmed that guys absolutely cheated no You don't win that many national championships by 20 plus points without you know Bending the rules or cheating a little bit here there. So listen, you're saying this guy's too good This guy's too good at what he does, is what you're saying, Ty? That's kind of what I'm saying, exactly. So again, we'll give him his flowers today.

That's an unbelievable team. Didn't sound like it. Didn't sound like it at all. Unbelievable. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you know, and that's not something we need to look for today. We don't need to, you know, dig into his past and his recruiting or anything. We don't need to dig into his past and his recruiting or anything.

We don't need to do that today. History will do that down the line. So you're right. Hats off to Paige Buckets. I'm glad she's finally got that notch in her belt because she needed that. Gina wasn't able to get Kaitlyn Clark, wasn't able to land Kaitlyn Clark as a recruit. Iowa being a part of it while Kaitlyn was on her run run after what we're watching out with, you know, Malky, I guess she had quite a performance. There's a lot of things being said there. A lot of people talking about that. Don Staley, obviously very animated during the championship, but she had her team back in the national championship yet again. Gino has kind of done his thing here. There is like levels it feels like to the women's college hoops and UConn obviously at the very top has been for a long time. AJ as you look forward to tonight you're a guy that was able to win a national championship obviously. You were young but you were certainly able to show up

in a big moment. The defensive dominating team feels like they have quite an advantage in a national championship because anytime your nerves are making you tighter or whatever, you can always give effort. You can always give maximum effort. It normally shows up on the offensive side. I'm not saying that Walter Clayton Jr. hasn't had a lot of pressure

and isn't prepared for the moment, but I'm saying national championship, biggest moment of your life, defense seems to travel a little bit more. And this Houston team has that in spades. Not the flow it doesn't, but it's like the Houston culture basically AJ Yeah, I think about you don't have to count on like if you're great

Let's say you're counting on a three the three ball like that's what your team has count on all year You don't have to worry about hey Are we gonna are we gonna have an off Niders or defense gonna force us into an off night like coaches the old cliche You can you can only control your attitude and your effort and I feel like that's kind of what defense is When you talk about basketball. And I mean, like I, you know, I've told you before, I grew up a Duke fan. I want to Duke to win this game. But man, like I have a hard time not having a ton of respect for this Houston team

and Kelvin Samson, obviously with all the, the stories and you see the clips of how he has built this whole thing since what 2016, like it's, it's pretty awesome. What Houston's been doing, I think. Yeah, absolutely. And now culture, you know, I heard him give a press conference about all of his assistants have basically been within his program forever. He doesn't hire outside. He keeps all the guys within. He said there's only like one word that they have around the building is just culture.

That's it. Just culture. The word culture is out there. And it's like that stays for what it what it is. Yeah, how you do anything is how you do everything. Feels like he's old school guy and everybody that coaches with him old school, everybody that's manager form old school and his team plays that way. You got to find the right players joining us now as a guy who coached college

basketball for a long time, 100 years will say now he's on college game day front of the program and he is basically the face of college basketball coverage Throughout the entirety of this tournament on ESPN because of how he's gotten it, right? He loved this Florida team from the very beginning. We can't wait to hear what his thoughts are about tonight. Ladies and gentlemen coach Seth Greenberg Yeah, I think I think there's, there's a little bit of a throwdown, if you will, on a basketball court happening this evening. This Florida team, you've talked about them since immediately upon the bracket being announced and we didn't follow the college basketball season as a whole, but whenever we heard the SEC drama and how many teams are getting in

and obviously the bubble madness and the conference championship stuff, we tried to pick up all the information we could as quickly as possible. You came on our show and we're like, Florida, Florida, Florida, Florida's the team. And as we watched them go through this, you know, March Madness run that they're on,

that guy right there has been so much fun. Walter Clayton Jr., you talked about him from the beginning. He shows up in big moments. He seemingly leads the team in a great way. They got athletes all over the court and they're dogs. I assume that's why you like them. Taking on this Houston team. Are they a good fit for Houston? Do you think it's a good matchup for Houston? What are your thoughts on your Florida team? And I'm saying yours because you've loved them since the beginning. Taking on this, this Kelvin Sampson style team. What is the matchup that needs to be kind of watched? Oh, you play against Houston you got to take care of the basketball you

got to rebound the ball. Now people don't understand like this Florida team is an elite defensive team and they are actually even a better offensive rebounding team than Houston so you're that's gonna be interesting who's gonna win the war on the board. Can Florida get to the offensive glass and get extra possessions against the best rebounding team people think in college basketball? So that's one. And then the battle of the backcourt. You saw what happened against them.

Ten threes made in that game. If Houston makes ten threes, Florida's not winning. You've got to run them off the three point line because they just don't have a lot of other ways to score. Tawan Roberts can get some put backs, he can finish around the basket. But what those guys really do is offensive rebound, kick it out, throw open threes. So I still like this Florida team. Obviously Clayton's been just phenomenal.

And he's a former football player. And I always talk to my teams about next play mentality. That's what that dude has. He's got a next play mentality. Get back that huddle, let's talk it over. Let's come back out, get to the next play and make a play. And that's kind of how he plays in the biggest moments. The dude has no fear. Kelvin Sampson is going to take the ball out of his play and that's kind of how he plays in the biggest moments to do that

No fear Kelvin Sampson's gonna take the ball out of his hands or he's gonna try I think it's gonna be hard to do that Yeah, and you talk about no fear and former football player and next play mentality He took over down the stretch against Auburn. I assume he's done that a lot of games He goes back to back 30-point performances this late into tournament. First time since Larry Bird, special, special player fun to watch. AJ has a question for you. Coach, you mentioned this Houston team's gonna try to keep the ball out of Clayton's hands. Like we hear about in football, like Bill Belichick always does a great job of

taking away your number one option when it say make you play left handed or whatever. How was Houston like what should we watch tonight when we see this Houston defense? How are they gonna attack him? And are you able to find a way to kind of slow Clayton down? I think the first thing you gotta do is you gotta make him guard. I mean, you gotta go out and make him guard.

I think one of the best ways to defend someone is make them guard. So what does that mean? Screen the hell out of them, put them in ball screens, attack him, attack him, attack him. And you know, one thing about these Houston guards they can beat you off the dribble be sure to see how Todd golden matches up does he match him up on crier well you know crier is more of a jump shooter or maybe this and

match him up on on sharp because sharp will take it down the lane if you start the end of the game sharp took on Cooper flag and took him right to the front of the rim so I think the first thing you gotta do is make him guard second thing you gotta do is you gotta meet him in transition Like you've got to get good shot selection. So you're balanced Defensively, so your point of picker it's got to be a little bit higher You gotta get the ball under control and then any dribble handoff ready ball screen. You're gonna blitz the crap out of him I mean you're gonna blitz the crap out of them and then you're gonna what I call topside Not let him get the ball back like you're gonna blitz the crap out of him and then you're gonna what I call top side, not let him get the ball back. Like you're gonna extend catches out.

So the further he catches it from the ball, now you can build your defense behind that. So I think those are things. Make him guard, scream the hell out of him. Anytime he comes up in transition, meet the ball early, but any ball screen or any dribble handoff, boom, you got to trap him, get it out of his hands and then extend that next catch. You got to wear him out trying to get open. Coach, I don't know if you know this, but you might be a sharp. You know, when you came on the show the last time, you said, I like this, I like this,

I like this. AP Tone, what's the over under for tonight's national championship for these boys? The over under tonight is, let's see if it moved, 140 and a half. 140 and a half, you know, 71 70 is the score that would obviously beat that. So in your mind, that's kind of how I look at it. At least whenever we're trying to pick that it's, are they going to be tight here? What do you think that 70 points a lot for this college basketball season? It's like some games. Yes.

Some games. No, I genuinely don't know. What are your thoughts on these two squads? I think it it's I think it's over. I think it's over. I'll tell you what understand the force in a pace that Florida plays with Florida brings it at you so fast So they don't give you a chance to set and they kind of flatten the defense out a little bit if you watch again Yeah, how many times a click just come down navigate in transition and get to the front of the river gets to good Albert D

So the pace that they're gonna play with with I think there's going to be more progression in this game than people think. So my gut feeling is this thing's going to be over even though they're two elite defensive teams I think both teams are going to be forced to play and and make plays and I also think that the three-point shot is going to have an impact. If you talk about a Florida team they get over at 64% of their points from the perimeter. A lot of those points are obviously threes. To me, the number of guys that can make shots on the perimeter of both of these teams, whether it's crier, whether it's sharp, on the other side, obviously you've got,

you don't just have Walter Clayton Jr. You have Elijah Martin who can make those shots. Will Richards didn't make a 3D update. Boo's gonna make threes. I mean, that's just the way it is. And then Milo C, I use that, he didn't really play well against Duke. He's gonna score it. So these backhorts are too dynamic to have on the under, in my opinion. I think the backhorts are just a little bit better than people think offensively.

I think we're gonna see a significant number of threes. That's why I would go with the over. But I would say the first four minutes in the game, first four minutes game, I would say that Houston has the advantage. And you guys know in football, I don't know how you compare it. What's a team that kind of punches you in the face early and it takes time to settle in against them? And then once you settle in, you kind of have a better feel, but

you can't simulate that in your practices. That's what this Houston team is in terms of especially a quick turnaround, where you got 36 hours to kind of get ready for this rock fight. I think that's going to be an interesting first four minutes. I like I like Houston. First five last five is what we chat about. And that's whenever you find out if what you thought you had on film is reality. And you talk about that Houston team They seemingly are relentless by design AP tone has a question for you coach. Yeah, I do coach

I saw a tweet or a post from their director of sports performance Alan Bishop Their average mile time was five minutes and 19 seconds And as you could see from this picture every single dude on their team has a 12 pack is absolutely jacked. Like what does that do for a team? That looks like a football team AJ. That looks like a football team in there. And obviously they come back with the late performance yesterday, like they obviously

just don't run out of gas late I assume, and how big is that for them? Oh, I think it's huge. I mean just look, that's their identity, That's their mentality. That's Kelvin's mentality. You got to understand, Kelvin's an underdog himself. I mean, he was a graduate assistant to Judd Heathfield at Michigan State. He went from Montana Tech to Washington State. I mean, that guy, his journey's been unbelievable. Two coaches with two very different journalists, but the one thing that's always been consistent

with Kelvin, the physicality is of his team. And he challenges him mentally, emotionally, physically, and he gets incredible buy-in. Like those guys think that a bad ass is on the floor. As they should. They practice with a rebound bubble. So I want to put this in perspective. So they practice with a bubble on the rim. Now, Pat, when you have a bubble on the rim, you can never make a shot. All right. So every shot is a miss. So when the ball comes off, it's absolutely the funniest thing to watch because you got just bodies flying all over the place. You know, old days, Thomas will talk about practicing in shoulder pads, like their whole

practice there's right and wrong there's no in between almost right is wrong like Kelvin Sampson coaches those guys he is not afraid of anything nor are they you're watching this video that is a typical practice this isn't made for tv all right this is like real like if you don't hit the floor you have a problem and Kelvin he might be a little older but he can get as nasty as anyone. I'm just telling you. Yeah Get right up here you get in the I assume that's the case. I I watch him Yes, he getting the ball is he chewing him out? Probably I watched him do a press conference

After the final four and he talked about how we don't have a bunch of cliche sayings always assisting coaches have come up through his program And he says there's only one word that's out there and it's culture. And it's like basically everybody understands what it is. You see that weight room photo. I mean, look at him coming in dancing. That's an awesome moment with his team. I assume that feels immaculate,

especially smacking your team into the national championship. Good for Houston, especially Diner in Texas, San Antonio. But whenever you see this team and you hear everything about it, you watch that practice, it's like, that'shood, you know Duke talked about a brother. It is but that's how you kind of build the bond That's how you build the chemistry if you you know sweat together bleed together I assume as they're diving on the board and work out together. Yeah, that's where you really build it I'm pulling for them. I'm I like this Houston team

I don't like the Florida team, but I like the way they're built D But D but has a question for you, coach. Yeah, coach, I want to ask you about these coaching matchups. We're actually talking about Kelvin Sampson, been around the game for a long, long time, 69 years old. On the other side, you got coach Todd Golden, 39 years old. Both very tough teams, but a big age gap. Who do you kind of,

I know you've been high on Florida since the beginning, but who do you kind of trust more, coach, and so we always talk about nerves from the players, and what about the coaches in this matchup who you lean it to in that matchup? Yeah, yeah, that's tough focus like Kelvin Sampson like think about a minute 14 to go. They're down six points He didn't foul he trusted his culture. He said we're gonna get a stop it technical foul was made. They're down six Tugler gets a block they come down knocked down to three. I mean Kelvin orchestrated he to manipulate matchups. That's why I talk about going at Clayton. Todd Bolden, and I know him pretty well, he's got some swag to him. Like, like, like that dude, he can really coach. I mean, like really coach, but he's like the next generation. Like he's

got a standard, there's an accountability, his practices are brutal, very similar, not as physical, but that dude is cutting edge If I talk to a guy that he worked for when he was an assistant at Columbia And he had to bring him into the office and Todd Gold's a real analytics guy so and and and his former coach Kyle Smith who was a Way is the head coach at Stanford now? He said when he was first at Columbia he came to office one day said, you know If you guys worked as hard and working guys out as

you did with your fantasy baseball lineups and figuring out all the numbers said we'd have a better damn team he was in analytics way back then like working on his fantasy baseball team so like he's cutting edge when it comes to analytics he sees the game through an interesting prism he totally changed the system playing for Randy Bennett who's kind of a coach that really controls, plays tempo. Kyle Smith's been a little bit more progressive. This dude went from playing that, but having a little bit of a swag and a little difference

to him, to basically playing like old school Arizona. Three guards that play fast, they play with freedom, they attack you, and those two bigs that protect the rim are screeners and rim rollers. I like yeah, Kelvin's got more experience this guy on the left of my screen probably the right of your guys screen He don't fear anything Like he don't feel like he's got something in him. I Also like that he turns to the crowd and does this number, you know does this number. You know, he is a noise boys, Todd golden. Yeah, it is a little floor like and you know, I was introduced to him during the tournament. I'm like, well, that's a child

there. Okay, so he's 39 years old. He must lotion. He does well. He is a moisturizer. Yeah, he looks very, very good. Arizona guys from Arizona moisturizer. A lot of vitamin D. Yeah, it makes sense. Haven't seen the Sun in a while Okay for ones Make their way to the final four. Obviously that was kind of the discussion of this particular tournament which leads to Conman has a question for you coach. Yes, Seth early everyone's pissed off on no Cinderella's. It's all chalk This is the worst March madness. But now it feels like especially, you know, last weekend and this weekend that these games

have just been unbelievable. Do you feel like because it has been all chalk that this has turned into one of the most competitive best March madnesses that we've had yet? Or do you think people are always going to, you know, bitch and moan about something when it comes to sports? People are going to bitch about about something about something when it comes to sports? People are gonna bitch and moan about something. But to me, this is good on good, man.

I mean, you work your way to the Super Bowl, you want the two best teams. If you look at these teams' body work during the course of the year, what do you say? They separate themselves. I want to see the best dudes play against the best dudes on the biggest stage. Plain and simple. That's fine. We can get some upsets in the first and second round. That's great. In the end, I want to see good on good. Like when we practice, I didn't practice against the, you know, like the gold team, you know,

that, you know, a bunch of walk-ins. So I want my goods against the other goods to find out just how good we were. This is, this is what, this is the future of college basketball. If you look at the rosters, there's not a freshman, not a freshman playing in this game. There's not a freshman playing this game. You got 13 of the 16 guys that play or retain, which means they stayed in school at the same school. Now think about that, stayed at school,

but stayed at the same school, right? These teams are invested. I'm all into the good on good. I'm all into guys having shared experiences, but I'm also into let's put the two best teams that have earned their way in and let's let's throw that thing up and let's let's get after it. We always want to find out who the absolute best is in any tournament and feels like we're gonna we got everybody's best team Duke the hell out, you know, everybody's talking about this

Duke team being untouchable seemingly and now they're gone, which I liked Shire coming on the show. I like the Duke team. I enjoyed watching them. But that Houston win, everybody saying Duke choked away. It's like Houston also was prepared for the moment in a big way. Can't wait to see what they do against Florida tonight. Can't wait to watch game day. What time are you guys on?

We're on and what are we on? Five o'clock here. So six six o'clock back there. I think that's what it is. I think that's right. I don't know. They kind of take me up to three. I just show up. I mean, the light goes on. I talk to them. They send me on my way. By the way, your deal, your deal, the London and back, I have to admit you talk about a beast dude you're a beast like you could play for me. All right all right thank you. I never coached a kicker I never coached a kicker but if I if I had a kicker on my team you'd have no problem playing for me because like you understand the grind. Hey and I will smack the smack the wood you know and anything you need for me 3 and D

you got it ladies and gentlemen we'll watch him at 6 o'clock Eastern, we think, on College Game Day for the National Championship. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Seth Greenberg. They put me in a car, they drive me over there, they turn the camera on and they let me know when I need to speak. Okay, that's what I do, says Coach Seth Greenberg. College basketball season's wrapping up tonight, AJ, but that is not in my eyes the most legendary thing that's gonna happen over the last few days. Alexander Ovechkin breaking that record on Long Island with how that building erupted for him. Islanders fans were in there. They knew they were part of history.

Capitals fans were in there they knew they were part of history. Capital's fans were in there obviously chasing alongside Ovi's great chase of the great one and it's like they're down 2-1 at that moment and the entire team understands the assignment. The entire league there's Gary Bettman the commission obviously Wayno I believe the FBI is represented up there as well. It was, it was a moment, I think, I don't know enough. I think, I think that was, okay. All right, good. It was a, it was a magical moment and it happened Nick in the exact same amount of games that it took Wayne Gretzky to have the previous record. Feels like the hockey gods were written all over this one. Great for hockey, great for the sport, great for sports as a whole. Great for hockey, great for the sport, great for sports as a whole, Nick. Honestly, it felt magical as I was watching from afar

and I couldn't even imagine what the building was like inside, Nick. Absolutely absurd, Pat. A bit serendipitous, as you mentioned, in the amount of games played also happened to be the same day 20 years prior in which the Capitals won the draft lottery and earned the right to select Alex Ovechkin number one overall when they didn't finish the season with the worst record in the league. I believe they were second or third the team that finished first in terms of finishing last for the lottery odds was actually the Pittsburgh Penguins. So a bit of

fate how it could have been reversed there. You could have seen Ovechkin as a penguin and maybe you saw Sidney Crosby as a Washington Capitol the following season but here we are Ovechkin shaking Wayno's hand he's the greatest goal scorer of all time not just of this generation you can put that debate to rest there's still a goat debate in hockey that I don't think will ever be settled because we get into it all the time with basketball in terms of the eras but you've got Wayno you've got Mario Lemieux you've got Bobby Orr and you've got Gordie Howe those are the four mainstays of the older generation

now you've got Sidney Crosby Alex Ovechkin probably Nick Lidstrom and whoever else can earn their way into that fourth spot for the new era so it's a great day for hockey it was an awesome celebration yesterday and it's been really cool to watch the sport come together to watch Ovi on this chase. Yeah, I've enjoyed it all. And I also like the fact that he goes and cracks open a cold beer immediately afterwards, AJ. You know, whenever he tied Wano, there was a video of him just going right through his

locker and just cracking open a beer. And everybody's like, enjoy cold beer after you do something great, which is why we like hockey. Hockey is like an old-school feel, old-school vibes and Alexander Ovechkin represents all that perfectly. He doesn't have an eight-pack, he's gonna have a good time. Here's a beer sir, here you go, yep, welcome. Here's another beer for you to enjoy yourself. When he won Lordo for the first time, we watched him with the Stanley Cup literally across state lines just having a blast. The guy is committed to his sport, he loves his sport and I think everybody in hockey believes that he represents it very

very well AJ. It's a beautiful thing. And you look at all the records, you know you look at everything 149 game opening goals which is an NHL record. Okay game tying goals NHL record. Go ahead goals NHL record. Game winning goals NHL record. 30 goal season NHL record. 40 goal seasons NHL record. 50 goal seasons NHL record 30 goal season NHL record 40 goal seasons NHL record 50 goal seasons NHL record seasons leading the NHL in goals 9 NHL record it's like this guy was able to find a net on a regular basis and that only comes from a massive amount of hard work whatever nobody's watching the amount of hours this guy has had to put in with his stick in a puck whether it was just you know on the street or side of your house growing up over in Russia, whatever it

was, just to get to this point where you have this much control of the puck, this much confidence, this much respect, and this much greatness. It's a massive tribute to the work ethic to get there and I think that needs to be celebrated as well alongside all the records. Yeah, think about like, why does it feel it's so easy to root for Ovi? Is it because he is like what we call a throwback in an era where we don't see a whole lot of guys do it?

I guess the way like be completely authentic to who he is and still be the, I mean, it's unbelievable. When you put up all those records, what a hundred and 140 something goat like game winning goals or whatever he had, like 291 go ahead goals is nuts to me. I think, hey, what games tied, here we go. This puts us in the lead, like everything the guy does. And then obviously the old, this little swan dive situation was just a perfect celebration

for OB. But this, the game was two one at the moment. What happened the rest of this game? They had to restart this thing. What did the rest of the guys do after that? That had to be a tough transition. Celebration. This was like when Drew Brees had that record, right? In the middle, he did the passing thing down there in the Superdome brother.

And they stopped the game basically and had a full celebration. I appreciated the fact that everybody in NHL, everybody in hockey, everybody in the sports world was like, yeah, they should stop the game. Yeah. This is, uh, this is absolutely unbelievable. To go back to the point in the conversation in the first hour, look at Wayne, that was a good clap. Seemed like he was genuinely okay.

You know, seemed like he was genuinely thrilled that a record of his was broken because he's going to be remembered as the greatest of all time. Regardless, I'm happy that he's confident in himself enough to have that, especially with what we've learned from other sports potentially in the I'm the greatest of my generation. You're the greatest year generation Can we get along probably not because there's a little bit of drama and he goes and everything like that so once again hockey nails it I appreciate in the first hour and con men you might be able to talk about this because

You know you used to be a fan of the Bruins and then obviously the Bruins have certainly tried to change up a little bit this year. But taking away the pressure of him having to get the goal record before the playoffs, I think is huge. His whole team not having to worry about just getting the one of the hardest records of all time, now just being able to focus on hockey. Not that him scoring isn't good for their team, but that's a good pressure I think to have off of their shoulder, Conn, man.

It's also great vibes like of course the get the pressure out of there But also just for everyone on that team like I know the they just brought in a kid from BC who they signed Leonard and you know for him he scored his first goal on the way to this chase It was the empty netter But just for that guy to understand how cool it is for the history to be made and being a part of the team But just the vibe of the entire you know of the entire boys of the entire bench the coaches everything It's like okay now We don't even have to think about this anymore now

We can just go out and play hockey and they are one of the best teams in the league You know so it's not as if this was one of those situations where you know guys on the team You know similar to Steph Curry really like you mentioned before where you know they have this record looming but also they know hey we have a real shot to win you know Lorto this year it wasn't one of those situations where you're kind of limping to the finish and then you know happy you get this kind of consolation prize in a bad season it's like no this is one of those things they check off on the road to go in to win the entire thing.

And, you know, we mentioned before too, Ovechkin, of course, he broke his leg earlier in the season, but like who says this is it? Hopefully he comes back and he has another two years, you know, like this was really cool. Imagine him getting to a thousand. How cool that would be. That would be very cool. And I don't know if I froze or not, if it's just on my side, but would be incredibly cool. Imagine him getting to a thousand. How cool that would be. That would be very cool. And I don't know if I froze or not, if it's just on my side, but would be incredibly cool.

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doing doing amazing what it would be for hockey yesterday was uh... incredible actually okay so let's talk about it your feelings on basically the full focus of the nL, at least the coverage. I'm not saying every team has been focusing on it, but has been this great chase. Has this been something that has just been deemed an impossible record to ever be broken? And how do you feel about the NHL embracing OV's chase entirely, seemingly through it all, Moose?

Well I have to say that nobody thought anybody would break Gordie house records of games played goals, the points. Sure enough, Wayne came along and did all that. I don't think anybody would have thought that Alex Ovechkin would have been able to catch Wayne or 894 goals. It was unthinkable. I mean, we're talking about the statistics last night, 45 goals for 20 straight years averaging the longevity, the durability, the focus, the

commitment. I mean, you can use all the superlatives that you want to describe Alex and what he's been able to accomplish. It's unfathomable. But here we are. Records are made to be broken, as Wayne has always said. and sure enough, he always said he'll be the first one there to shake his hand when he does if and when he does break it and sure enough he did. Yeah, it was a cool moment watching the great one and the great eight embrace each other as opposed to what some other sports might do. Now we don't know hockey anywhere near as much as you or anywhere near as much as we

know our sport, but we have chatted about this a couple times. How good do you think it is for the Capitals who have a great team this year that they kind of get this out of the way now as they look forward to the playoffs? Do you think there was a weight on that team to get this done for Ovi because how much they love him? Do you think it was something that was a distraction or do you think they were just excited to get this done for their guy in Ovi? And what do you think it means for them going forward now into the most important part of the season?

Well, I can speak firsthand of being in this similar situation with Wayne and Edmonton chasing 50 goals in 39 games Being a part of all his records 60 some records that he was chasing There is some being a part of all his records, 60 some records that he was chasing. There is some element of, and I don't call it a distraction. I actually think it's one of the things that really galvanized this team this year. And I think one of the most important factors that we can look at through this Ovechkin's race to 895 was how well the team had played, how well they galvanized together as a team. There was a common thread that got that team together this year.

Yeah, they made some trades in the off season and they improved their team. And a lot of players had great years, but you can't discredit how important this was to the team's success this year. And I think it even made it that much more special that the team was playing well and they were you know leading the the league and and points for most of the year and maybe we'll have a chance to win the president's trophy. You know I just think it's been a magical year for so many reasons for the Washington Capitals and I think one of the things I'm most proud of to be honest with you is how far Alex has come as the leader. It always wasn't a smooth ride for Alex as a player.

Obviously he's always scoring goals and doing great things. And he had some great teams back in the day, but they had a hard time trying to figure out how to win. And leadership is critical in order for a team to have success. And Alex has become an incredible leader on and off the ice for that team this year. You can just witness it by the way they talk

about him. Their body language, their facial expressions, when things are like this are happening, he galvanized, encompassed everybody in this moment, which I think made it so special

for the whole organization, the players, managers, coaches, trainers, anybody in that ecosystem, fans players, managers, coaches, trainers, anybody in that ecosystem, fans like shared in this moment. Yeah, hell yeah. And that's the hockey difference. You know, that's a beautiful part of your guys' sport. It does feel like everybody's more together than any other sport in the

current moment. You only played for 25 years in the NHL as a captain, so what the hell would you know? AJ has a question for you, Mark. Yeah. Speaking of that playing, played for 25 years and being one of the all time greats in the NHL, I guess for former stars like you, how does it feel with Ovechkin breaking this rule? It feels like for me, at least as an outsider, kind of a casual, like it's so easy to be happy for the guy because he seems like he does it his way. He's like, you said he's grown into a great leader,

but he also seems like a tough dude that will stand up for every one of his teammates like he does it his way. He's like you said, he's grown into a great leader, but he also seems like a tough dude that will stand up for every one of his teammates and could play at any era. So for you as former players, like how does it feel knowing, Hey, this, this is a great guy that actually beat Wayne's record. Well, you know, for me, it was emotional, uh, watching it yesterday because of the, my history with Wayne as a friend, as a teammate, uh, winning championships, watching history, watching genius my whole career on a day-to-day basis with Wayne. I learned so much for him. His ability to

put everybody else ahead of him, the way he put the game ahead of everybody, including himself. And I think, you know, when Gordie Howe was there to greet Wayne and shake his hand when he passed Gordie Howe, that resonated with everybody I think in our sport. It certainly resonated with Wayne because he was a big Gordie Howe fan and he understood the magnitude and gravity of the moment yesterday in the history of our game. And Wayne did such an amazing job, you know, as an ambassador to the game, his whole career he did, but then again,

yesterday was on full display. And it couldn't have been a better moment for our league. It couldn't have been more inspiring for our boys and girls that, you know, have their own goals and aspirations. And this is something that the new generation of players should be hanging on to because, wow, when you talk about the greats that ever played the game, Alex Ovechkin is going to always be recognized as probably

the greatest goal scorer of all time. And that is something that not to be taken lightly. I like that you, 25 years in the NHL, six times Stanley Cup champ, know Wayne on a personal basis and everybody else. You know, probably the best goal scorer of all time because you know it's going to be a debate amongst people. Everybody else is like, greatest goal scorer of all time, stamped, signed, sealed, delivered. I appreciate your perspective.

Now, what is your perspective as a man who played for 25 years in the NHL? Connor has a question. Yeah, Moose, do you see this being the kind of end to Ovestian's career? Obviously, you know, who knows what happens in the playoffs, but let's say, you know, the Capitals go on and win Lorto. Do you think Ovestian kind of sails off into the sunset? Or do you think he might still have a few years left here with the Capitals, especially because, you know, they kind of made it out of the rebuild

and they're a great, great team again? Yeah, it's amazing how quickly they've come out of this rebuild. I don't think anybody in hockey saw the success that Washington has had coming into the year this year, but you got to give everybody in that organization a ton of credit, especially the players. It's funny how teams can grab traction sometimes. You never know what that's going to be or what's going to galvanize a team. Clearly they galvanize around this pace with Alex. But I think for me, if I was a guessing guy and I don't know Alex well enough to know what his plans are

but I would have to think that he's going to come back at least for one more year. I think his contract is up after this year. And then I think it will be determined where he's at. You can see his kids on the ice, his wife, whether he wants to go back to Russia and make a family life there for himself or go back and play there. I don't know.

I don't think anybody really knows but I know one thing that he'll be back for another year which is just going to increase that goal lead by even more. Yeah, up over a thousand, obviously inevitable, seemingly if he's gonna play another year. And hockey seems like such an interesting sport because you know, like basketball, we were talking to Braun a couple of weeks ago, they had Luca, so he's able to go off ball

a little bit more. Now he's still doing windmill dunks at the age of 40, which is absurd. I mean, he's six foot nine, so people are gonna say he should be able to do it. It's like at the age of 40 though which is absurd. I mean, six foot nine. So people are going to say, should be able to do it's like at the age of 40 though, I'm 37. I just pulled a hammy taking a dump in before the show started. But nonetheless in hockey, you can't really hide, right? Oh, he's playing his best season, having his best stuff still.

And he's playing the same way he's been playing his whole career. Is there a way that you can adjust as you get older to be able to keep up with the young lads game? Yeah, I think his game has changed. I don't think he covers quite as much ice as he used to I think he conserves his energy He's a smarter player now. He still gets into the same positions the scores that he always did It's just a different look for him. I don't think he's quite as physical and let's be honest He's almost 40 years old if he doesn't have some young guys around him doing the carrying, chopping the wood and carrying the water, they wouldn't have had the year that they have had this year. He's an incredible weapon, a goal scoring weapon.

And that is how they're using him this year. And I kind of compare it to Michael Jordan later in his career. It's not like Michael Jordan couldn't get to the d'Hoop and dunk and do all the crazy things that we had seen him through his whole career, but he also developed an incredible outside jump shot from 20 or 25 feet, which made him even that much more dangerous. And if you think about Ovechkin, he can still score from the inside when he wants to, he can still get to the inside, nobody can move him because he's so big and strong. And he, of

course, he one of the best weapons that he's had his whole career is his shot which he can score from the outside so he's still a double threat in that regard his game I would say if there's anything he just does not cover as much ground as he once did he uses his energy probably smarter than he did when he was younger he had more obviously more giddy up and more horsepower probably then but he still finds a way and you got to evolve. He's played 20 years now if you don't change if you don't evolve as a player and as a person in the game the game will pass you by. Him and Sidney Crosby

both who came in at the same time have been able to evolve as players keep up with the times keep up with the times, keep up with the technology, and have remained incredibly relevant in what we consider a young man's sport. You're the best. We appreciate the hell out of you. That's Marc Messier. We'll be back next week on ESPN. We continue on digital.

We'll see you there. Hey Moose, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. Thank you for taking the time on this historic Monday. Thanks for having me on. Thanks for having me on. We'll see you guys soon. Playoffs are starting soon. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. Let's go Moose. Come on now, Moose. Yeah. Yeah. Moose. Moose. Go next to Moose.

Moose knows the ball. 25 years in the NHL. D-Bot, 25 years in the NHL. Hard years. Because they're running sprints. Hard years. They're running sprints. That's insane

We all know I'm a new NHL fan, but I understand the physicality to play that two and a half decades I saw obviously a conversation this morning about comparing OV to LeBron and how You know how physical different sports in any sport you can play and dominate and play it anywhere near the highest level For two decades is super impressive, but I didn't know I know he was coming up and playing the same time as MJ I don't know moose new ball like that Yeah moose moose knows ball moose knows moose knows life moose moose knows leadership, too That's why him talking about OV's leadership. You could see like Mark Vassier like, yeah, and he became like a guy, you know, in the change room.

That is a guy that wants to win, had to change up their style in Washington so they could win Lordos down the cup because it was just the Pittsburgh Penguins, baby. Now, the end of OV's career is vastly different than seemingly the end of Sydney's career. Nick, what's going on with the pens? Are we, is there any chance to make the playoffs?

Pittsburgh Penguins? I almost wanted to ask Moose that, but I didn't want to embarrass myself for not knowing. No, no, officially eliminated from playoff contention. They did get a win over Gumpys, Texas hockey though. Sydney Crosby scored a hat trick, still doing it at this age, still a pointy game player. Oh, Sid's still the goat. Okay. Thank you. The minor league team is on a great pace. They're going to make the playoff. They got some dogs coming next year. The dogs are coming next year. The boys will be ready to run. I'd rather talk about it. You can't say that. Oh, you're going to get us. Oh, what happened with the Rizzo? I saw him throwing baseballs. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah. I heard that thing. No, you find that right? Stop 12 and six curveball stop it

I thought it was a splinker. It's fucking 12 years old. They can't he's to hop in a ball from Feet away. It looked like very Zito out there That's a good throw no, it's not good. No, it was a little too count He was trying to get too many sweatshirts on under You gotta fucking get it there No, Rizlar, that's good throw Rizzo. They set you up. He should move closer. He wanted to move closer He knew his distance. He's a Rizzo. I don't know they told me at a back up a little bit Yeah, there's no way he's more than 10 years old. Whatever the case. He's not a 10 or five

Well, if he's four or five, whatever the real problem our young five well if he's four or five whatever the real problem are young it seems young Rizler is eight years old so I'm proud of you stepping up there and also exactly what his needs is just keep on growing keep on going and Ty you should be happy that it was with the Mets not with the Yankees because isn't that your guys's thing they came to Yankees and they ruined us or yada yada he wanted a Mets where everybody said it. Don't you worry about what the Rizz is doing. That wasn't the Rizzler that was the Boom family and if you notice they weren't

anywhere around Yankee Stadium opening weekend when the Yankees you know were hitting homers left and right so I think maybe someone in New York you know heard what I had to say about a potential I I don't know, blood sacrifice or something to kind of reverse the curse. Okay. But listen. Yeah, Big Boom is going to be around. Well.

Big Boom's going to be around. I don't know, because he's, you know, listen, I love Big Boom's game, gold medalist. I just can't have him, you know, four-hopping it from 15 feet away. It's too long. Yeah, they set him up for failure. You saw it, we saw it. I agree. I agree.

But then, you know, then that's the Mets are a scumbag organization. How would you set him up for failure. You saw it. We saw it. I agree. I agree. But then, you know, then that's the Metro scum bag organization. How would you set him up for success? I'm sorry. How would you set him up for success on that one, Pat? One, two. Yeah, move him closer. You just move him closer. And do a handoff? Like, what are we going to do? I mean, you can get him some pitching lessons

with one of the goats, Michael Rubin, have him, got to show him. Okay. Okay. That was better than that. Exactly. Exactly. His kids, eight years old doing his thing. Let's talk about, let's wrap up all the news of today. Tyron Armstead retires from the Miami Dolphins. Congrats on a hell of a career. He and Julio Jones announced their retirement. Let's go to Miami Dolphins Superfan bubble gum be no and then we'll obviously get Darius Butler's thoughts dolphins in a good spot Or what do we think here? Gumby Toronto arm set and Kalei's are two leaders of our team gone in the same week

It's it's tough. Someone's gonna have to step up for these boys. And I think we got one D tackle heading into the draft. We need some safeties, we need some quarterbacks. We need a lot of things for, but two is having a good off season. He was having fun, it's good to see. Boom. Yeah. Anytime you lose a legend, D-Bud, anytime you lose a legend, it's gonna affect your team, obviously.

Toronto Armstead's retirement. I don't know if any of us were talking about it, offensive line stuff. Who knows if you're doing that. What a hell of a career by this guy, legitimately. 12 years or whatever at the top of the goddamn field. Yeah, great run towards the end. He was always battling, not only like one injury. I felt like every week it was like three or four different

injuries that he was battling through. Try and get out there and play. So yeah, we're in a tough spot right now, but it's April. Chris Greer, he's still there. He's, you know, got a chance to figure it out. We still got Mike running the show, still got Tua. Tyreek is still on the team for now. We'll see how he stirs the pot, continue going forward. I'm sure we'll see more tweets, more TikToks, more shit from Tyreek, but hopefully we can get him back at an elite level. Good acting. That was good acting.

Great acting. That was good acting. He didn't give anything away there. He didn't give anything away. Always going to be in shape. Always going to be fast. You know, Ian Rapaport didn't love that he didn't make his bed, but I will say you watch this video, you can't take it either way, which I think is why it was good acting. I think he probably recorded this, sent this around and said, what do you think this mean? He got four different responses. It was like perfect. Doesn't mean anything then. If it means four different things. It doesn't mean anything sends it out Let's go ahead and stir Paul a little bit. That's Tyreek Hill football speaking of football. Maybe Tyreek should put some

Hockey skates on you know, maybe Alexander Ovechkin since he's got the record if he sails off in a sunset Maybe he plays American ice football. Did you see what was hitting the internet this weekend AJ Hawk? Yes, I am. I am here for this. I would like to attend a game in person at some point. Oh, well, it's west versus east. Uh, not a hundred percent sure who's representing where, but I know if you're spinning it on the ice and you're high knee and high heel in it, this is exactly where you want to be. Bye bye. You know, we've obviously had the run on frozen streets before growing up in four seasons. I like how like hesitant they are very, very, very hesitant runners. But I also appreciate the athleticism that's on display and the possibilities.

That could happen here as you slide in for a Tud AJ Hawk yeah can I just wanna know can I wear like old school golf spikes? You know the old metal golf spikes that would give me a big I like that the rep is on skates though these guys got linesman working the criss-cross Oh my god Oh my god Are these the elderly? What is this?

Oh! He breaks two tackles Oh look at this guy He breaks two tackles. Oh look at this guy. He breaks three tackles. This man is unstoppable. He's at the Seven then a three and a half now. He's at the touch That guy what a hero he was bad snaps Avoids disaster breaks three tackles hits it up the sideline for a cud that guy's a hero that might be the American ice football MVP for all we know but AJ you got to have good footing it's hard to break defense kind of sucks but if you get a good shot at him you got to

take him down yeah good luck good luck guy D buddy getting into a backped on the guy breaks the crash kick that's the first time seeing the kick right there has to be as slick as possible to go back to your question if they're wearing That's the first time seeing the kick right there. That's the first time. That's the first time. They're bowling shoes. They're bowling shoes? So many questions. It has to be as slick as possible to go back to your question if they're wearing bowling shoes because you could also, you got a neck tattoo. That guy is going to be tough to stop. And a face, a couple of face tattoos.

I like the way that guy looks. I'm betting on that guy in American ice football. Curling, you know, curling, they have that one shoe that has like a couple of cleats on it. And then the other one is a slider. It feels like they probably make rules that you're curling to have that one shoe that has like a couple cleats on it and then the other one is a slider feels like they probably make rules that you're going to have the bowling shoes on so it's as slick as possible. D but how would you fare at American ice football you think? You know, I don't know, I would be very, very afraid of falling that ice taking a bad fall the footing, I'm not sure the footing double moves moves, impossible to stop, but how do you run them as well?

Guy, I haven't seen one guy get out of the post yet, so a lot of bad D. I thought from the first few highlights, I for sure thought these were elderly men and possibly women as well. Why? Until I saw through the net. Yeah, because I mean, what do we,

I'd never be this down bad. I did see some Indiana Freak highlights that were I'm sorry. I'm sorry fish is free. I need to put some respect. Oh, yeah, that's somebody get into that bullshit right there I'll never be that damn It does feel like that is a Caucasian sport there the American ice football Follow up on the Fishers freight That team's home arena is actually in Bruce Browns is parking lot So he is kind of taking them as his team. He is now a season ticket holder He was on the field for the fishers freight home opener

What the other night they kicked it onside kick. They had some electrifying stuff Bruce Brown How's your front yards football team doing the first fishers freight all aboard the fishers freight train? We are on a straight ride to Tucson, Arizona for the IFL championship We actually do look like the team to beat in this fucking league. We got Stokes, a dog, bit of a Devo Samuel comp at a wide receiver. Jaya writes our quarterback out of Fort Wayne, Indiana. He's a dog, all grit, sandpaper, jam, running it in there. And then yeah, our kicker, uh, kick the onsite kick the back fee special, perfect execution right to himself. Look at the crowd.

Oh, we were going crazy. We were going crazy. He did miss a couple field goals though, might have to get those dialed in, but still stole the possession here to get us up 14-nothing early. It was an absolute blast to be honest with you. Bruce was on the field, AJ.

He was posting pictures. There was nobody in front of him. Bruce, on the field AJ. He was posting pictures. If there was nobody in front of a Bruce, would you set front row? How much were you paying for that? He's in this. Aren't you Bruce? Where? I was right there.

Yeah. You ran it in right in front of me. Those were 80 bucks a pop front row end zone. Hell of a view. You're right into the action. The guys around me were talking a little bit too much shit to the other team's players So they were kind of turning around looking at me and I was like guys look like I'm just here having a good time

I'm not I'm not talking shit to you. I think it was close the The fuel recently had a sellout that I think was 7,000 strong. This was about 6,700 in the world. Wow, okay On that note if you want to get tickets to see the Fisher Freight in Bruce's backyard, why don't you use our friends at Seeky, the greatest ticket buying platform on planet earth and... The Moon! They have 28 million downloads, AJ, 28 million. That's so many downloads, okay?

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