The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1329 - Final Boss Tuesday With Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, Peter Schrager, Tom Coughlin, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

On today’s show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about all the events from Wrestlemania weekend culminating with Pat and the boys getting into an altercation after Gunther put Pat in a deep chokehold last night on Monday Night Raw. They’re also running on fumes with limited sleep and recap the NBA and NHL playoff action, and look ahead to the 2025 NFL Draft, as they will be doing the Draft Spectacular LIVE from Green Bay on Thursday. They are also joined by three incredible guests including The Final Boss, Chairman of the Board for TKO, one of the biggest movie stars on the planet, Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson, former host of GMFB and ESPN NFL Insider, Peter Schrager, and lastly 3x Super Bowl Champion, member of the Ring of Honor for both the New York Giants and Jacksonville Jaguars, Tom Coughlin. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’re off tomorrow as we’re heading to Green Bay for the draft. We’ll see you LIVE on Thursday Night for the Draft Spectacular. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode the Thunderdome On this final boss. We're on the draft Tuesday in 22nd 2025 this program starts now Spores are happening all around us. Thank you for all the positive prayers and vibes For this year neck that goon thirst snatched up and choked me out on Monday night raw the raw after mania last night. I went to a medical facility local over there in Las Vegas. I thought maybe I was gonna have someone with a C2, C3 baby up here.

Something in the neck because of how it felt. But instead I was deemed A-okay. I certainly lost consciousness last night, though, as the entire world watched on. And shout to the boys jumping the barricade and trying to get me. Now I do have some questions. All that security is kind of focused on the boys

and I'd be focused too. I mean, Ty was gonna get some. Bossy Connor was gonna gnaw on Achilles if he had to. D-Bone actually puked ringside because of how jacked up he was and D-But almost ran through four to five different guys. I appreciate you boys trying to get in there as I was blindsided while trying to stick up for Michael Cohen's this

Austrian asshole was attacking me but there was 45 security people on you that there's nobody on I'm getting my life choked out of me what am I supposed to do well I found out quickly that there ain't really much you could do whenever Gunther's got that thing on you yeah he had his legs wrapped around me in one time he had to hold it I felt my body slither away. And I had my hand on it, you know, because I seen you, I've seen, I trained a little MMA. I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, and then, you know,

you just kind of disappear. You just kind of disappear from existence there. And what the hell is going on, you know? How the hell did we get to this point? I didn't like the way you guys were treated. I obviously didn't like what happened to me. I appreciate Shane Helms there looking out for me right there, Hurricane St. Patrick, you'll be okay.

But I wasn't back yet. I think I was supposed to lift my legs a little bit. I think I was supposed to get back in there. Also, have been talking a lot. So let alone the abuse that happened to my vocal cords. Well, this Austrian prick was just kind of late. Nonetheless, thank you to the medical facility in Las Vegas for taking

care of me on such a quick turnaround. I appreciate everybody's positive thoughts and prayers and everybody said that they're happy it happened to me. I hope we meet in person so I can punch you in the fucking face. Okay, I was thinking for Michael Cole. Yeah. What was he doing? He was grabbed up Michael Cole. Yeah legit. He was gonna choke out Michael Cole. Yeah right, can't be having that. So what happens next here now? I don't know you tell me just know that I'm bad about it for whatever And if you think the choking me out is gonna have me you're wrong You think you were gonna bury me publicly and I'm gonna quit showing up you're wrong

But I know you're not gonna mess with Michael Cole and get away with it. Okay, how big? strong Intimidating how good your rear naked choke is? I don't care how big, strong, intimidating, how good your rear naked choke is. I don't care about any of that. Okay? Michael Cole is a good man. We appreciate Michael Cole. And whenever you start attacking him, things like that are going to happen. We'll talk to the final boss, Dwayne The Rock Johnson, in about 15 minutes or so. We shall see now if he will still be able to make it. His schedule, incredibly packed, which is why I assume assume he was able to make it out to Las Vegas

But was paying attention through everything that was happening was literally getting text myself Cole and others Throughout the entirety of mania telling us what he was thoughts were how excited he was and what a great weekend It was for the WWE so lucky to be a part of it. Not just me though Talks that they was here at Boston corner at Ty Schmidt Ty I appreciate you trying to get in there and kind of clean up with what good there was doing without a doubt man I mean what we got a big week here. Okay, the NFL draft is right around the corner That's typically one of our biggest shows of the year. So I agree with your sentiment I don't know what this what the hell the security was I mean listen we weren't out there trying to you know

Create an all-out melee. We're trying to get to you We're trying to help you out. You know, and it's we got a big week for the program We got a massive week exactly you would just announce to about you know, coach McCarthy and everything So there's a groundswell with everything that's going on with the draft and then you know, boom They try to take you out. What are we supposed to do? Just sit there like a bunch of bitches in the front row. I don't think so I heard you guys cleared nine-year NFL vet D butch I expected you After I was hearing the story for because because I didn't know what you got to be honest I didn't see much of it until we were walking back. Yeah, I felt surrounded by the crew. I'm like, how'd you guys get?

I saw D bones face first. I I like was coughing obviously. I had some blood coming up actually. I don't know if it was from my lung or from my throat or whatever. Long week, a lot of talking or whatever. So as I'm coughing stuff up, I like turn my head and I just see D-Bone's big face and I'm like, oh, geez. Now is not the time, but how the hell did D-Bone get here?

So then afterwards we have a full conversation. I guess you guys just hit it and get it as soon as things started. Because I had a lot of people tell me, why'd you turn your back to him when you're in a fight? It's like, I didn't know I was in a fight. I was trying to break up a guy from Michael Kohl, then I was trying to get back to do my job

because I don't think Guzor was, they don't tell me a lot about the shows. Guzor just kind of walked his ass, where did he come from? He came out of nowhere. He had a microphone, he snagged the microphone up, he was out there, he was like, I'm going to get back to my desk here,

and then all of a sudden he snatches me from behind, coward. Yeah. Of course. Coward. He's an Austrian. Nobody's talking about it. But we chit-chat about you guys afterwards, after the medical facility, in the bus or whatever, you guys just kind of cleared that thing like a fence, huh?

Yeah. Do you feel athletic in out there, people? Yes, Gunther snuck in, I think War Raiders, I think they were cutting the promo, so All Eyes were on them, he kind of snuck in, came in came out of nowhere gotten colds face. Obviously you stuck up for him Should we try to get in there protect the franchise? You know jumping? Oh, yeah, I was definitely the first one over Foxy jumped in threw a cup of potatoes in there But uh, it was some real deal two things though. You didn't tap. No, no you didn't You didn't say uncle like that bitch Gunther did.

Oh, oh, oh! It's so psych when we see him at Pierce. What the hell are you doing? What the hell is security doing? You got 20 guys on us while he's over there choking you out. They're doing their little uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. I mean, it was wild, man. The shit got real.

I got close. I probably got probably four or five feet away. But the boys hunkered down. He got a decent security team They just got a you know focus on one of the important things right there They're like let's try to get you out of here. I'm like yeah Okay, you got it then I realized I couldn't breathe there was a little bit of a breathing issue Yeah, because this guy bow constricted my throat got in deep he did have it in

He had a real deep it was deep in you He did have it in him. It was. He had it real deep. It was deep in you. There was a deep arm here. That snake was wrapping around in my throat here. Just way deep in here. It really was.

And we saw it. And he was flexing too. Because I had my hands here, you know, just like desperation. And then I could feel like his, like I could feel him. And I'm like, I think I already lost here. I think I was supposed to tuck the chin at some point once again didn't know that no and uh

I mean, we'll find out how this goes. Good. I hope you're happy buddy You might sign up for something you don't want just a quick little heads up the cold What a bully and cold to his credit went out there and feels right back out there and got it got a good pop I appreciate Michael Cole being the consummate professional that he is. It's kind of like what happened at the elimination chamber. Like I'm a big fan of Canadian people. I've gone to Canada throughout my entire life, had a good time. You booed the national anthem.

My natural reaction is, oh I hate these people. Didn't actually, but that's just my natural reaction. I see you punking my friend. Natural reaction is no, can, but that's just my natural reaction. I see you punkin' my friend. Natural reaction is no, can't do that. And then what happens? Well, I get choked out on Netflix worldwide. Same for us too. Rock mania, yeah, same thing.

Same deal. What the hell you think this is, pal? I do, I'm happy nothing happened to you guys. Because people jumping over that thing normally does not end that great. I'd like to think that somebody in there was like their passboys their passboys, please don't kill but I'm happy Nobody decided to follow you guys, you know, I think there was some conversation behind us about that. I think so, too Yeah, yeah from what I heard afterwards. Yeah From what I heard afterwards the people are like your boys got in there so quick

We had no idea obviously we didn't want to cause a scene with them But we we were worried though that once your boys came there was a chance that somebody behind we're gonna be like title wave Okay, we're let's go. Yeah, you guys don't know if you guys even thought of that. No, not even thinking that okay Good a bit of real would have been nice legit But I am going through a little bit of you can hear it. Who knows how long I'll be damned. How about future

earnings? Cause I am a... Yeah, everybody's throwing that word around towards me. Wait a minute there might be one going the other way and I don't know what Austrian law is but I do know what happens here in the United States of America and Gunther can't be doing what he's doing. So doing So be more on that subject

I assume every moment of the day as we go forward one half of the hammer dad Cowboys AP tone is here Tone we're on to the draft. Obviously Thursday night is the first round of the NFL draft will be live in Green Bay, Wisconsin We'll be with Peter Schrager. Can't wait to talk to him in the next hour We'll also be with coach Mike McCarthy, who obviously won a Super Bowl with the Green Bay Packers. A lot of history with Green Bay Packers. Actually has Mike McCarthy way up there in Green Bay. It's going to be a blast.

We can't wait to get there. There's been some odds movements though here as we're getting closer to the draft. Feels like the picture's becoming a little bit clearer for some teams. Is that accurate? Yeah. So there was some news that came out this morning

that Schefter reported, Schrags talked about a little bit about you know Browns at two, Giants at three being open to potentially moving it. Before that if you looked at the odds before that though like it was it was kind of coming into focus Travis Hunter is minus 1400 to go number two which is I wouldn't say like a guarantee but once you start getting up into those odds it's pretty good and then Abdul Carter minus 700 to go at number three So once you get to those it's like, okay Hey, we know kind of one two three in this situation but now the news that you know, the Giants and the Browns are both willing to

Move out of that position. I don't think it necessarily changes if Travis and Abdul are gonna go two and three It just depends on what team is going to take them. Then there was also some movement this morning on sportsbooks on who is going to draft Shadur Sanders, who is by far the most interesting guy in this draft on where he's going to go. I mean, people are talking to be anywhere from three to not even in the first round, which would be insane. But the Browns currently the favorite to take Chaudure. And the Saints for the last, I don't know, three weeks since the Derek Cardinals have been the major favorites who take Chaudure at number nine. And then at some places the Steelers are now the

favorites to take Chaudure. So odds for Chaudure are all over the place but everything, you know, as far as one, two, three, even Will Campbell at number four is minus 500. So it like one two three four at least the sportsbooks have think they have a decent idea on where they're gonna go I'm pretty excited to see what the movement is yes because everybody's starting to get like pretty excited about potential you know Shregs who will be joining us in about 55 minutes or so he's plugged in he's locked in but he doesn't try to be for like the entire draft cycle he waits until like now to be like, hey, here's all the information that I'm having.

He was on last week and he had a lot of questions. He was like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Now he's like, hey, a lot of people interested in moving up two, three, four. And normally moving up to two, three, four would be for a quarterback. Instead, it's for players this week, as opposed to maybe Shador Jackson will hired

Shuff yeah, you know Where do the quarterbacks kind of fall into the entire play and then Travis Hunter who inevitably gets the once-in-a-generation type player? That everybody's talking about odds are all over the place tone. We have to talk about this Cuz you're a goblin man. Yes, I am Hammer that is a daily sports gambling podcast that comes out of the Thunderdome Alongside, you know you and gumpy and bruce boy, uh, obviously getting off it these odds makers don't know shit either. No They don't we can get people on the draft now granted They have a minus 20 000 or whatever it is for cam ward

They're reading the headlines in the insider's comments just as much as us. Now granted, some of these sportsbooks might have an in at a team. We just have to understand that that's reality of the world. Legally not supposed to. They're literally just following the same shit that we are. You can win betting on the draft. We can get some good odds in our favor of betting on the draft. Is that not accurate? Yeah, because all the sportsbooks, let's assume they don't have you know a chef D or which is illegal

Yeah, or you know a Shregs working for them giving them information so they can't change their odds before the information comes out So as soon as that information comes out if you were to head to a sportsbook and get you know in place a bet before They were able to change their line. Yeah, you could get them in this situation and also they're just guessing right now They're guessing as much as we are they're changing odds based off of lies and smoke screens and information that you know teams are feeding all these people to report on so yeah this is the one time a year where you know just as much as the sportsbooks as far as if you're playing attention to the insiders and stuff like this so yeah there's some things where you can get over on them

this this time of year and there's always a team like I've it last year the the kind of goose if you will the golden goose Would have been pennex to the Falcons in the top 10 I forget what the exact odds were but because of the Kirk Cousins thing because of you know Everything that the Falcons were trying to build defensive head coach in his first year them taking a quarterback It was like plus two thousand or plus twenty thousand might have been that high This year it feels like there's more of that type of stuff, like the AJ Brown, you know, Patriots,

which has already been shut down from, I believe the Philly side. But if you were to take, you know- But all those little rumors affect the sports books for like at least an hour. They'll have to look into all the rumors as much as we do. Tyree Kilm puts a video up of like, man, I'm being traded. The odds

makers are like, all right, does this change anything for the Dolphins on what the Dolphins was because they can get got in any of these things. So just know that with like games and shit, the odds makers in sports books, we all assume know everything. They have so much AI, they have so much computing, they have so much knowledge, they're spread seemingly always on. For this, it is just an objective view on what the news is. So unless a team is giving anything away, we can get these sports posts. And we only know that because we swayed

the entire sports gambling industry a couple years back, whenever we got intel morning of the draft that Mack Jones was not going to the Niners. And as soon as we opened the show from a living room in Tampa Bay is how that show opened and we go we just got it from a very very good source that Mac Jones is not going to the Niners from that moment on Mac Jones and Niners went from like minus 250 to like plus a thousand in like a scan of like an hour and that's just because we said something so whenever I say Like hey, they can be I don't say manipulated but yep

Manipulated by news they can so just because the sportsbook says something that does not necessarily mean that that is a matter of fact It comes to the draft more specifically this draft feels like the biggest Who the fuck knows in the history of drafts that we have covered Yeah, without a doubt and if those you know three at the top that everyone assumes that Tony just went through, you know Ward Hunter and Carter if one of them just doesn't go in the top three then the whole thing kind of gets blown open because The assumption for Patriots fans at four was hey we get whoever's not there They're saying in New England will Campbell is gonna go for if Abdul Carter were to drop They're not gonna take Abdul Carter. So all of a sudden it's like okay. Well at five Jacksonville

Do that and Daniel Jeremiah just said that Will Campbell's not in his top five players or whatever Not in top ten anymore. Top ten players. But it's the number four overall pick So it's like all these odds makers are doing the same things that we're doing Wait a minute with I we had Will Campbell locked in and then all of a sudden frames is like I Don't think so. That's all it takes on a draft night We'll say with like gente and they're saying like gente Carter and Hunter other players that would be traded up for what for? You would assume the number four overall pick the Pats could move back if someone Loves gente and that's when the wool camel thing comes in handy and that's where you could bet like Patriots

Will Campbell outside the top ten what we're saying is this is gettable. Oh, yeah Now with that being said you can get got to like all these boys did yeah on the casino floor Yeah, I'd have Vegas you can certainly get got, but there is a chance that we can get them too in this entire thing. To your point, like even at five with the Jaguars, I think it was Charles Robinson of Yahoo, who works out of his car. We've had him on a few times.

He reported- He doesn't live in his car. He works. He has to sit in his car. He reported he would be shocked if the Jaguars didn't go with an offensive weapon at five and was talking about Liam Cohn potentially seeing Ted Rowe, Ted Rowe McMillan As his Mike Evans or whatever and Ted Rowe McMillan's odds at five went from like plus

4,000 to plus 650 or something like or yeah plus six feet right right there So like just that report like just move things this weekend is crazy how that works I mean that is crazy I mean it would be hard to pass on Mason Graham right there. He's a dog. He is and it always comes back to the quarterback discussion for me because it is smoke screen season and the conversation around these quarterback class like hey we don't see we only see one true first round where's Shadour gonna go? Where's Dart gonna go? What's the, is there, what's the over under on quarterbacks in the

first round? Was that two and a half? Two and a half. Two and a half. Okay, so even with Milroy, I feel like it's been a little more conversation about him. Over is minus 140. Okay, see, that may be. That over two and a half? That may be wonderful. I like over two and a half quarterbacks.

Me too, quarterbacks always, even if they say, this class not that good, some team will, even if somebody trades back in at the tail end, which is kind of what the narrative has been for like the last four or five days. Cause everybody thought maybe quarterback goes in the top five top ten that's where you pick your quarterback then Schrags and every other insiders like teams that need quarterbacks

They value what each pick is worth So look for maybe a lot of movement at the tail end of the first round much like what Green Bay did with Jordan Love yeah a few years ago to kind of get back into the game So who knows how many quarterbacks end up going especially with how the first 15 rolls out one It seems like I mean same, you know, you mentioned him, you know Shao shock, however, you want to say it like now if you turn on ESPN in the mornings Like he's starting to get like the the big time pure Exactly, if you just look at his you know, his intangibles and his measurements you'd say well how isn't

this guy you know the best quarterback in this draft so I feel like there is a chance that you know maybe we get four maybe we get five guys and maybe ten quarterbacks in the first round to this point I was listening to Bucky Brooks and Lance airline swirling Lance did a ten-year study only six quarterbacks have gone in the second round over the last 10 years because if Because these second round quarterbacks that should be second round they all get bumped up to the first round because everybody scared to death So either they're either going in the first or the third like the second thing doesn't rarely happen So they get bumped up and that's why these quarterbacks go over two and a half in the first Which is why this quarterback class kind of reminds you more so of like the Kenny Pickett

draft versus the other because the Kenny Pickett draft was Kenny Pickett's a Super Bowl champion. Kenny Pickett's great and he's got good moxie and he changed college football forever. Bingo. Try and fake sly guess what happens 15 yards bitch. But if you know Kenny went 21 and then all those other guys went after I think that was the party yeah Yeah, what Malik will isn't leading her to that room Do you remember the conversation leading up back during that week was will levis is going for overall will levis is the guy?

He's gonna go and he ended up dropping to the Malik though gave a jacket to somebody at the combine go We're supposed to take him out to I remember to somebody at the combine. And he was gonna be the guy. The Lions were supposed to take him at two, I remember. Yeah, so I don't wanna hear Tyler Shucks name this week is kind of my point. I can spin it, you don't know. I've seen clips of him spinning into the dirt.

Okay, there was one throw from the combine that nobody talked about. You know, everybody talks about Will Howard's day. Nobody's talking about the combine. Side step, side arm, missed by 10 yards. Look cool though. It did. Throw it, what happens. We'll see what comes to be real in what is fake on Thursday night. Side step side arm missed by 10 yards look cool though. It did throw that happens

We'll see what comes to be real in what is fake on Thursday night speaking of real Let's talk about the realist ladies and gentlemen joining us now is the most famous person that I've ever encountered Potentially the most famous person on earth right now. I think he is he walks into any room in any country on planet, and let's just say another planet too. Everybody would say, what the hell is that? And then somebody would say, you know what that is. And they say, that's, yes.

Ladies and gentlemen, the director of the board at TKO, obviously massively successful actor, Mount Rushmore professional wrestler, friend of the program, ladies and gentlemen, Dwayne The Rock Johnson. You look jacked, you look jacked Rock, how you doing brother? Wow, you Papa Tui, you're an handsome son of a bitch, listen, you, look at, how are you feeling after last night?

Well, I went to a medical facility in Las Vegas. Thank you for asking. Did not expect Goon 3 to try to pop my head off of my body, but he attacks Michael Cole. Obviously, you and I both, you attack one of my boys. I have to do something. I didn't know we were getting into a fight. I turn around, massive mistake. I get it. And then he snatched me up and I want night night He sent me to dreamland last night right there in Las Vegas And I know you've probably had to experience this a few times the boys jumped the barricade to try to get in there Just quick you're the director of the board here

What's all your security doing attacking my guys and not getting goon through off my neck rock? What the hell's going on? Well, first of all, you know, when you guys hop the barrier like that, you know, I text you and I said, I love that shit because if it's on for one, it's on for everybody. And that was phenomenal. So I love those boys jumping that barrier

and they had to get in it because your boys came with that heat, man. But by the way, it looks like he's got that thing on pretty snug around your head. You're turning purple. Yeah. Yeah, I was. And I obviously witnessed it back later in real time because at this moment right here, the body's there, but I'm not.

Sure. You know, and whenever I come back to it, I have the hurricane. Shout out to the hurricane. And Shane Helms is right above me. He's like, you're okay, buddy. He's like, doesn't feel like it. All of a sudden I'm walking up the lights. I don't know what's going on here.

And then I see my boys, see there's a hurricane there. Thank you for helping me, Shane. The man, Petey there, creator of the Canadian Destroyer, also helping me out in that entire thing. All the boys were there. And then Gunther just kind of walks away. You need to get this guy under control, Rock. This is your company. You need to get this guy under control Rock This is your company come you get this guy under control

Hey listen, it may be my company, but they at the end of the day. It's WWE and it's pro wrestling So anything can happen. So you got to get your shit together Let's talk about WrestleMania weekend we got over a bunch of weekend we got over a bunch of numbers about the success that it was the attendance obviously insane the merch absolutely outrageous the attendance at the WWE world everything up into the right for the WWE right now and obviously the WWE is hotter than it's ever been the world loves it WrestleMania is its biggest weekend did you expect this going in and what are your thoughts on the weekend as a whole, whenever you see stuff like this being, you know, kind of reported on two days after it ends?

Well, you never like to look at the scoreboard, obviously, and you never think that, hey, the bell is rung and everything is over. So you put your best foot forward, you converge everything. It was a big build up to WrestleMania. Obviously, you were a big part of that. And the show was a big part of that. I was very happy, man, to see these numbers. And it's really reflective, I think, of WWE, the growth of WWE. I think the excitement of WWE, and my goal and my job and my role is to continue to, as I always like to say, just cast the net further, cast the net out there. Let's transcend professional wrestling and still keep it

professional wrestling in the anchor of it, but reach for more. And so I love that every year we keep breaking records, knock on wood, and we keep gaining new fans, which I thought was great. And I do want to point out, number one is, I want to thank you and thank the boys here on the show for the incredible build up. As you know, I'm always sitting you up on the sidemen, keep it going. Thank you, brother. Thank you for all the work. And also, I want to point out that some of these matches, first of all,

I was very happy with the show. Couple of things I thought could have been better, which we're gonna talk about here in a second. But overall, man, everyone, the work rate of every single performer, uh, women, men, men was dynamic. I thought we made, I thought we discovered and created a lot of big stars with big potential. Number one, J Uso, ye very happy for my family there.

Who's so yes, man. That was a, that was a big, big night for him. Big night for our family. Ye. Big night for my family there. So yes, man, that was a, that was a big, big night for him. Big night for our family. Ye big night for our family there with the on a white is my B is fit to some on who's the Johnson's for fetus snookers. I mean just all of us Polynesians very proud of him. I also want to point out Jacob fought too. And how you think about what I love about Jacob is, you know, the last event I

was there, I went backstage, I gave him the biggest hug, man. And you know, he had tears in his eyes saying, this saved my life. And so I think when you have that kind of performer who is pulling and digging into something and delivering his soul and passion to something that has saved his life. Man, you're flying at a different level. And fans could feel that and fans love that. This is why the guy goes out there and he's supposed to be the Quilt Heel in the match. And they're cheering the hell out of him. They're chanting his name.

And that told me immediately, man, there is, there's a big future there with Jacob and I can't wait. I thought the girls, all the women, by the way, they worked their ass off. They stole a huge portion of the show. And let's see, I think, and the first night's main event with Seth, Punk, and Roman, I thought was fantastic. We'll get into the second night main event too. I know you got some questions

about that first night's main event. But let's talk about it. Yeah, I do. Second night main event, definitely we got some questions too. I got some brand new shoes. I cannot wait. You know, the boys too. I got some brand new shoes I cannot wait. You know the boys brought me some of these brand new shoes so we will we will certainly ask uh about the the second night main event because obviously you are a massive piece of that entire thing but let's

talk about that first night main event. Paul Heyman is obviously somebody that you've known for your entire life I would assume. Roman same way. He's known him since he was a little child. Literally, Paul Heyman, I asked him whenever he was wise man for Roman Reigns, I said, when did you know Roman was the guy? He goes, when Roman was six years old, he walked into the locker room and I knew, and he gave like this full answer about like, I knew this was going to be the next one. So he's been around your guys' family literally forever. then CM Punk's his best friend he does the favor for CM Punk then he hired to CM Punk okay they don't expect that in my mind I'm on the side I'm like yes he's back with our tribal chief yes the bloodline is back and look at Roman who was absolutely shredded shout out to

the discipline that Roman Reigns had leading in to WrestleMania. Maybe the best he's looked ever legitimately. So then Paul Heyman obviously says CM Punk, my right arm's going to your nuts. You're not going to win this one. Who do you think I'm here with? My tribal chief. And then lo and behold, just a few minutes later, hi-yah! And then he dangles that thing around to make sure he gets the whole entirety of it.

And then obviously Paul Heyman hands the chair to Seth freaking Rollins. Whenever you see something like this unfold as another chair shot as if it was the end of the shield yet again. And then last night Seth Rollins and Paul Heyman take a victory lap basically. And then they add Braun Breaker to the mix. What are your thoughts on how that goes down, how that ends and how Paul Heyman's a snake? He's a snake. He is. Well, let me get to that part in a second.

Let's talk about Braun Breaker. I love what he's been doing lately. I think that he's really shown out and shown up. I feel like what happens, and I went through this too as well. There's this maturation process what happens when you come into the world of WWE and if you got a little bit of heat to you in a good way, good heat, and you got a little bit of potential to you, the company will see that and they'll start putting you in positions where we see how not only how you react

to those positions, but more importantly, how the fans react to it. So Braun's been putting these positions man where he has really risen to the not only how you react to those positions, but more importantly, how the fans react to it. So Braun's been putting these positions, man, where he has really risen to the occasion. I'm not surprised. He looks like a million dollars. He's believable. He's legitimate. And he comes from a hell of a bloodline in the Steiner family, which as we know, so I

was happy to see that last night. I'm happy to see the way it went down. The first night's main event, the finish of that main event. I loved it. I loved every second of it because I watched, I was at home on my couch with the fans. And as you know, I was texting you throughout the show and texting you throughout that main event, keep it going, this is amazing.

Stay in that zone, stay in that zone. But when I was watching it the first night, that main event, I know the finishes of what's going to happen. Oh, I know all the finishes, but I don't I want to not know how they get there. That's the thing. So especially if I'm watching at home, so I'm watching it and I watched how they got there and I loved it.

I thought it was dramatic. I thought it was exactly what it needs to be. But also Paul's been he was in a way raised in this business, grew up in this business, loved this business. I knew him back in my grandfather, my grandmother days, like way back in the day when he was just a kid. So the, you know, his passion for the business goes way, way back, but also his intellect goes way back and he understands he's a big thinker. He's a long game thinker. I have a cool fact about the final boss and Paul Heyman, which I want to share in a second after I talk about him, but I loved how it all went down and I loved that ultimately

came down to Seth and Paul and what that's going to look like. And now we'll see how it all unfolds. We have the rest of the spring. We have the rest of the summer, but I loved every moment of that, you know, and look, I, I thought shout out to Roman. He came in incredible shape. I think every year he is dialing it in more and more. I think this idea of people calling him a part timer really fuels the fire in him to show you, man, I'm a lot of things and you want to call me a part timer, but the company is still on my back and now watch what I do.

And he comes in incredible shape. I thought Seth is always, always delivers. He's my, he's our Superman. I love that guy connected with him after the show. He's just phenomenal. You could count on him around every corner. What I love about Seth is you can continue to see him grow and you can continue to see it's like, you know, when

I told Cody a month and a half ago or maybe longer, Hey, I don't want your title. I want your soul. And then Seth followed it up. I think the following week says, I don't want your soul. I want that, you know, and he, as simple as he made it, he still made it powerful. And then here we are. So I love what those guys did last night. I loved it. Okay. Sorry. did last night. Loved it. I'm sorry on Saturday night I loved it. Now let's get to your soul talk. Okay let's get

to the soul talk because what we saw at Elimination Chamber when you know you ordered the uh to John Cena and we see John Cena's face go from oh you can't see me hustle loyalty respect to The last time is now and then he shakes Cody's hands and then he kicks him right in the dong Okay, and then obviously all roads lead to the main event of WrestleMania WrestleMania Sunday night two in Las Vegas. Here we go What were your thoughts whenever you're watching that? Obviously you're pulling for John Cena who's your guy? Are you texting him before the match? Are you giving him heads up? Was there a thought of you coming and

maybe having to involve yourself a little bit just in case Cena wasn't able to get the job done because the American Nightmare Cody Rhodes in the middle of his prime right now in the middle of his run what were your kind of thoughts going into the night and what was your expectation of John Cena going against a very very very great champion in Cody Rhodes? Very great champion in Cody Rhodes and keep in mind for us here and all the fans speaking as DJ as Rock, director of the board, and not final boss. I gotta tell you that. Let's start with the ending and let's start with John becoming the 17 time heavyweight champion and becoming legitimizing himself as being without question the goat,

period. He's on Mount Rushmore now. Gotta kick a guy off to put him on. I think now Dusty goes in the back, he was always on my Mount Rushmore. He goes on the back there with me, I'll be raising my eyebrows back there in the back of Mount Rushmore. But I think that the way John, at the end of the night, John raising that title, that was the bottom line. That was the North Star. And I loved it.

And I love that moment. I think he's going to go on to have this insane run as a heel. And what I love about this, what I love about John is, you know, I like to think that I keep not only my finger on the pulse of things, you and I have talked about this, don't keep your finger on the pulse of put your whole hand on the pulse of things. You and I have talked about this. Don't keep your finger on the pulse of it. Put your whole hand on the pulse of things and that way things meaning the fans and their sentiment. And I love that the fans are so engaged. They're so connected to John's Heel Run. Now I see a few fans saying that, oh, well, I really don't believe he's a bad guy. So he's playing a bad guy. But here's the thing. You don't have to believe that he's a bad guy. You know why?

Because he's not a bad guy. He's a good guy. Good guy. I mean, I've known the guy for 20 years. We've gone up and down the hell and back. We talk all the time, text all the time. He's not a bad guy. He's telling the truth now.

And you could feel that in his delivery, man, because he's telling the truth. This is 25 years of imagine going out every single night for 25 years every night regardless of where you're at and know that you're going to get cheered and know you're going to get booed and in some places it's even harder you're going to get booed out of the building that's a hard psychological place to be i give john so much credit when this heel turn we talked about this heel turn a few months ago and then he did it in Toronto Elimination Chamber which we're going to get to in a second. I said, brother, I give you so much credit and I hope you are exhilarated right now because what you are attempting to do takes guts and you are putting it all on the line because there's no

blueprint for a heel John Cena. It's not like we could go back and look at the books and go, okay, when John turned heel back in 2015, it worked well, here's what happened well, here's how we're gonna make it improve. We don't have that. So he was creating it as he went along. He was crossing T's and dotting I's as he moved forward. And I thought he was brilliant,

and I can't wait to see this he'll run for the rest of the year who knows what's gonna happen I love that there is a specific amount of dates that we have John for and I love his connection to the audience again he's not a bad guy he's not trying to play bad he's just talking the truth and he said hey I'm fed up with this shit in terms of this really messed up relationship that we had. Okay, so with the fans, so I got a call about a month before Elimination Chamber. I get a call from Ari Emanuel that we know owns TKO. TKO owns WWE, has been my longtime business partner and one of my best friends for over 20 years.

He said we need help at Elimination Chamber. Ticket sales are a little slow, but beyond that, he goes, what we are finding is with Elimination Chamber, it's become the pay per view that's been interesting, fans have had fun. But it's also the conduit to WrestleMania. And how do we create a Elimination Chamber that people must tune in to see? How do we create a elimination chamber that people must tune in to see? How do we create that? And he goes, right now, we don't have that.

And he said, well, the final boss show up. I said, well, let me give it some thought and then we get back to you. So I gave it some thought. I got back to Ari. I got back to Triple H and Nick. We had a call. I said, I have an idea. What's most important to the final boss?

Most important thing to the final boss isn't titles. It's not money. It's not fame. Been there, done that and grateful for that. Final boss wants your soul. And what does that mean? What that means, that doesn't mean, hey, the final boss wants you to act like this, be like this at his beckon call and treat you like crap and make you do all these things that are unbecoming or

embarrassing. That's not what the final boss wants. That's not how the final boss lies. No, no, no, no. What that means is whatever you could think of in your head. So Cody Rhodes, whatever dreams you have, whatever ambitions you have, even if they're dark, even if they're amazing and they're full of light, even if they're scary, whatever those are, you tell the final boss is going to make it all happen. You wave that magic wand, he'll make it all happen. So when it comes to giving me your soul, giving the final boss your soul, that is what you want, not what the final boss wants. And so what does the final boss get

out of that? I get your soul for life. That's what the final boss gets out of that. No, so now we go into elimination chamber with this idea of will Cody Rhodes sell his soul to the final boss and my thought at that time and you and I might have even time I know we talked about this was it was a litmus test to find out in my opinion. It was a litmus test to find out, in my opinion, how will fans respond if Cody sold his soul to the final boss? Let's get a temperature check on this. Let's establish it, let's anchor it in,

and you come to find out that there were a lot of fans who were saying, sell your soul. This shit is to be crazy. Whatever it is, it's compelling. It's going to be great. Let's do it. Sell your soul. So I was an advocate of that, not turning Cody heels soon,

but eventually down the line, I liked the idea of that because Cody's a smart guy. He's intelligent guy. He's a ring general. And I think this idea of you give them a reason to turn way down the road, by the way, you give him a reason to turn not based on titles, not based on this, but it's his soul and what that means that affects generations. It's transcendent beyond pro wrestling and fans were loving it.

As we got closer to Elimination chamber, we were kicking ideas around myself and Triple H. And that's the fun part, by the way, I've been kicking ideas around Triple H for 20 years, dude. He's always having a great time with him and Nick and my team as well. And, and, and Triple H said, you know, what about this? What about John turning? I said, I love it. I love it. The next question is you got to talk to John see how he feels about it and you know in a moment where you have this shift and click moment and it happened to me when I was a pure baby face I got booed out of the building around the world and they took the title off me my rookie year and they sent me home in the summer of 97.

And I didn't know what I was gonna do. I just knew this is not gonna work for me. I don't even know if I have a future in pro wrestling. I get a call from Vince and said, I'm gonna bring you back as a heel and be part of the nation of domination. I said, that's great, I love it, but just give me two minutes on the microphone

to speak from the heart. And he did that and things changed immediately that night. It's the same thing with John. John loved this idea of turning heel, but he's like, but you know what? There's something, there's an anchor here that I'm gonna root it in, which is a real thing that I've been experiencing over the years, past 20, 25 years. So when we were moving forward with John and

this idea of him crowning, getting crowned at WrestleMania, WrestleMania and becoming 17 and turning heel, I'm sorry, and then being a heel champion. I knew then the best thing for the final boss, we've established this idea of Cody's soul, we can always come back to it. I did feel and I made the call, I don't want to be involved in that. Step back, let the final boss step back,

back into the shadows. Let all the spotlight go to John, let it go to Cody. Let's not make it about Cody's soul eventually, or John's soul. No, let's let them do what they do. And I called John after elimination chamber, spoke to him, called Cody. And I said, I think the final boss's work is done. We've established it.

We just pulled off the greatest angle in the history of professional wrestling, other than Hulk Hogan turning heel. Back in the 90s, I said, this is amazing, we have six weeks. Now, let's build, you guys go and crush crush it and I'll be right there with you and I'm always here if you need me. But I think it's best for the final boss not to be involved in that finish. You guys go, they had six weeks to plan for that. So I love the finish finish of the match.

I would have finessed things a little differently on how they got there, but that's just me creatively. Uh, there are a lot of minds in the room. That's my thought, but still ultimately the bottom line was I love John getting 17. Um, and I never had a concern about John pulling this off. My thoughts are always to Cody because of what we've established with him and his story and the kind of baby face that he is. So if done right, and I think if finessed right and if nuanced right, down the road, that guy not only has an incredible baby face run again as champion, but also just an unheard of run as a heel.

Yeah. Down the road. Let's talk about you saying the final boss needs to step away to uh you know kind of let the spotlight be where it should be with John and Cody who you know potentially you talk about John being the goat there's a chance Cody when it's all said and done is also trying to vie for a spot on that Mount Rushmore rock with his dad on the backside with you raising your eyebrow. A lot of people just assumed you were going to show up just assumed you were going to show up so when Travis Scott comes out they think there's a chance of people just assumed you were going to show up, just assumed you were going to show up.

So when Travis Scott comes out, they think there's a chance of maybe there's going to be a re-union from the elimination chamber. What are your thoughts on Travis Scott getting involved? And you saying I need to stay out of that.

Was there ever a moment where anybody was trying to tell you differently? Like, no, no, no, final boss. Anytime you're around is a good thing, not a bad thing. No, they don't have to say anything like that to me. And they know when I come to them and them meaning Triple H and Nick and Ari as well. And I lay this out and I say, here's how I really feel that you go. We can insert Final Boss in the end of this finish,

but then where do we go? There's other commitments that I have. And I wanna also be careful that we're not overstepping and leading over our skis too much here. Can get involved in the finish. And I said, but why get involved in that finish when the spotlight should just be on, in my opinion, John 17 heel champion.

What does 2025 look like if this man is saying he's going to ruin professional wrestling? That to me is the anchoring storyline. It's not soul right now. Right now it's not but by the way, we'll go back to it. We'll still go out of here. Still look, I can't take the text that I got and from the guys that I got, who are these top guys who are saying, one in particular who I love is my guy.

I call him the Superman of the company. He's like, listen, my soul's for sale when it's time. I said, I love it, let's do it. So look, I love Travis Scott involved and I'll tell you why, because he loves wrestling. He's a huge fan and he respects it. He look, I love Travis Scott involved. I'll tell you why. Because he loves wrestling. He's a huge fan and he respects it. He's working his ass off. I know that he has plans to train with Booker T. I don't know if it's happening already. It might be not quite too sure there on his schedule,

but he loves, loves the business. Now, I was, I was just as surprised to see Travis Scott as well. And I knew the moment I saw Travis, well, that immediately amplifies, well, here comes the final boss. And so again, I loved that. They were waiting. Yeah, I think I texted you as it was happening. Holy shit.

You were like, are you coming out? And I was like, no, dude, I would tell you if I'm coming out. I'm not tape faving you. But again, again, I loved at the end of the day, North Star John Cena heel champion, 17, The Goat, says he's gonna ruin wrestling. Now we tune every week to see how it happens,

how that goes down. Some parts of it I would have just adjust a little bit more. I would have finessed it a little bit more. But it was a great WrestleMania. I think you all should be incredibly proud. What an awesome for a man. Just I mean, the place went up. What absolutely apeshit but the next time it does, it will go crazy.

We have some other questions about the things you're talking about. Other commitments. Go ahead, Ty Schmidt. Yeah, Rock, speaking of those, I read something recently that you said like this is the most creative inspiring time or creatively inspiring time of your career. I'm so jacked up for this Marty Scorsese movie with you, Leo, Emily Blunt. Just curious, when do you start filming that? Is that still in pre-production? What has that process been like working with all those people?

And how much did you film in the smashing machine? I know that comes out later this year. How much did that kind of help you with this? Because I know that's kind of a step up in terms of like dramatic work compared to some of the other, you know, action blockbuster stuff that you've been doing as of late. Yeah, you know, I've been doing as of late? I've been wanting some time for some time now since about 2019. I've been listening, trying to listen to this voice like in my gut behind your rib cage. We all have that

voice where it's just gnawing at us behind our rib cage. It's up to us whether we rip our rib cage open and listen to it or if we keep that voice in there, we don't listen to it. So I had been wanting for years now to chase the challenge and be inspired by the challenge. I love making the bigger blockbuster movies. They're a lot of fun. They're hard as shit to make. And a lot of people enjoy them. Hopefully, knock on wood around the world.

But I wanted more and I wanted a challenge and I just wanted the opportunity to disappear into something and disappear into a partner role that would really challenge me in ways that I've never been challenged before. And on top of that, I know it sounds crazy, but to be nervous, man, and in a way like you're buzzy, like how am I gonna do this? Like how am I going to do this? I don't know how to do this.

And that happened on the smashing machine with, um, Benny Safdie and a 24. And of course, Emily Blunt. And, uh, and then that led to us having a conversation myself and Emily about what's next and, you know, I was telling her, I said, you know, what's interesting about Hawaii is, in Hawaii, what I love about growing up in Hawaii is you go to Hawaii, and I'm sure a lot of us have been Hawaii. You go to Hawaii, it's beautiful. It is the most beautiful place on the planet. Pat, you were there. I saw you send me pictures when you were there, right? Got engaged here. Shout out to Hawaii. Shout out to all the Ooses.

Shout out to all the Ooses. And the Mauna the Oosters. Shout out to all the Oosters. Shout out to all the Oosters. Shout out to all the Oosters. Shout out to all the Oosters. Shout out to all the Oosters. Shout out to all the Oosters. Shout out to all the Oosters. Shout out to all the Oosters.

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Shout out to all the Oosters. Shout out to all the Oosters. Shout out to all the Oosters. Shout out to all the Oosters. Shout out to all the Hawaii. Love the place, favorite place on earth. It is absolutely beautiful when you feel that mana. And I was telling Emily, you know, what happens is when you go, you go to Hawaii and you enjoy the beaches, the sun, the tourism, the events, the entertainment, you go two miles in a different direction and three miles in different directions, different world. And you better be careful where you go.

You better be careful about what you say and how you say it. And, and, and I mean, the, the underground, the organized crime there. I mean, I, again, I grew up as a kid there. And so you grow up as a kid, you always know. So we were talking about that. And, um, and then about a week later, we were on a plane going to Japan to finish the master machine. And Emily had said to me, Hey, you ever, you ever guy named,

named Wilford. And she didn't know his last name quite well. And I said, Wilford, I'm not quite too sure. She goes nappy. I went nappy, pull up a yes. So nappy, pull up a, just so you guys know is he's considered the godfather of Hawaii. know is he's considered the godfather of Hawaii and he was the godfather who ran all of the islands but he had to do it in a way he had to do what he had to do it and he had to do it in a way that was very ruthless that was very strategic that was still very smart but also keep in mind he, we had the Japanese Yakuza there, the Chinese triads, the Korean gangs outside influence, American gangsters coming in from Vegas trying to take over Hawaii.

Hawaii was a hotbed. And not only that, but then you had American corporations coming in at that time in the 50s wanting to just take over Hawaii. So back when Hawaii was stolen in the late 1800s, what this man did, he was a reflection of how people, Hawaiians, the Polynesians felt at that time. So in the 50s and then the 60s, when everyone was coming in and just taking Hawaii and cutting it up, this gang, this gang, this gang, corporate America. He said, this ends and it all ends now. And he took it back. And he became the godfather of Hawaii, incredibly influential. And this story has just, it's almost like with the universe and Kismet comes

in, and there's a reason why it hasn't been told all these years and we put this up on a tweet called Scorsese and we had a meeting with him and we pitched him and he loved it and blown away that the story's never been told and also as Scorsese said he says you know when I was a kid when Hawaii became a state in 19, late 19, I think 1959 or 58, he said, I always wondered back then, wait a second, what happened to the Hawaiians? Where are they at? And so this idea of telling this story to Scorsese, no one does a gangster movie better than Mark Scorsese. He's, he's, he's the goat. He is the Mount Rushmore, right? He's on Mount Rushmore up there with the directors. No one does it better than him. But what has really, I think, energized him with this project

is this idea that a man stands up, yes, a gangster, yes, the godfather, yes, ruthless, but also he stands up to reclaim what was originally stolen. And that was culture and that was land. And how about this? I have spent now, I've had the privilege of spending days with Nappy Pula, Uncle Nappy and his wife, Marlise, Auntie Marlise in Hawaii.

And it has been incredible. He's almost 90. He is sharp as a whip. And it's been an incredible process. So when we talk about creatively for me, just this incredible process to get to know this man and spend time with him. Nick Bilton is a co- I'm also gonna write a book

based on this. Well, my co-writing author is going to do most of the writing. I'll just say yes. You'll be there, though. You'll be there. Anyway, this process, brother, has been amazing. Thank you for asking about that. And I cannot wait because, again, it's just this opportunity to tell a story that's never

been done. And as I've been talking to Nappy and I'm telling him, uncle, first of all, he whispered something to me the other day and when he talks, first of all, you go into a restaurant. As you gave me the beautiful entrance, thank you, I appreciate that, we went into a restaurant, mama's fish house over there in Maui. You walk in and I walk in, sure, I might turn a head or two, but I'm walking

with Nappy Pallava and this is the Godfather of Hawaii. And when I introduced everybody to him, the waitstaff and everybody is really beautiful as they say hello to us. They say, this is my uncle Nappy. They take their time and they say it is an honor to meet you and to have you here. And after all these years and him doing everything that he's done, when he speaks, you really listen because he'll draw you in. And he knows, he'll talk softly, quietly. And he pulled me in and he goes, look, I love you. He said, I love you with all my heart.

I trust no one else but you with this. And I said, uncle, I said, do you have any regrets? He said, no, no, no, no, no, no. He goes, I'll tell you why. Because in life, there's right and there's wrong. And if you're gonna live right, then you go for it and you live right. He goes right on, you go live right, live right.

He said, but if you're gonna live wrong, you can't ever not accept everything else that comes with it. I have no regrets. Beautiful. So that's gonna be the Marksport Stacey project, man, with Emily and DiCaprio and Nick Bilton writing. I can't wait.

Next year we're gonna start shooting. Next year. Let's go. So hold on. Yeah. The reason why he asked is because all of us who are fans of yours And I think at this point we'd be able to say friends of yours Which is an honor just in of itself to see you get a chance now to do like a uh, I don't want to say like Award bait but like oh, yeah, you're teaming up with Scorsese to tell a

Ouse godfather story that's never been told, let alone like the historical relevance that Hawaii has, not just the United States of America, but to the world. Obviously Pearl Harbor happens, but then like everything that takes place just from my wife and I visiting over there and learning about those islands and how important they are, like almost like a linchpin to the entire world. I cannot wait to watch you do your thing in there. I cannot wait to watch you win some awards. I can't wait to watch you get the respect that you've earned in this entire thing because your commitment not only to your people but to your craft and we can't wait to see you come back to the WWE and I personally would like to say thank you for Papa Tui brother. I mean

I'm on a full it's the first time in my life. I'm a white trash kid from Pittsburgh, okay. So having a full face plan and lotion and moisturizer, never in a million years. Take care of your routine. Never in a million years would I do that. So then I see you on your Instagram be like, hey, I created this thing, Papa Tui. And you basically said to me through your phone, you're allowed to take care of your scale. Thank you. Thank you. So every morning I'm with you and Papa Tui. I appreciate the hell out of you for everything.

You're the man. We appreciate you, Ouse. Hey, listen, let me just say this. Thank you for saying that. I appreciate it. And I appreciate the Papa Tui shout out there. I do. The thing about I'll probably get in trouble with the Papa

Tui board, but it's okay. Cause I own the company. But, uh, we, um, we got, we, we have a little announcement coming up with Pat McAfee DJ and Papa Tui coming up, coming up, it's coming up. Uh, and I will, and I will tell you, and I'll tell you this, I'll tell you for everybody listening, why this is just so, uh, it's just incredibly authentic. First of all, it's our relationship and our friendship and our brotherhood. I love coming on the show. Love hanging out with the boys. We got to get together again. We'll go for another steak dinner.

Next time we're all in the same town. Yeah. So, so for those, so for everybody watching and listening right now, Pat comes in my trailers for the show. I can't remember what shows I was in LA at the end to it though, unprompted. He goes, hey, by the way, before I leave, I really love Papatouille, man. I've been using it. And I said, dude, I don't want to sound weird, but your skin looks great. And he said, I didn't want to say it. He goes, no, no, I appreciate it. And he goes, I just want to say thanks, man. You made a great product and you leave. And you know this to be true. I looked at Maya, my CMO, and I wasMO and I was like what he just said that was unprompted

There's something there and then you and I talked anyway, so I appreciate the love. Thank you, man Papa too is doing great and we've just expanded our partnership in the Walmart and Target So anyway, dude, thank thank you for having me on and to the boys. Thank you guys for having me on I appreciate it It's always a bad We love you Love you. We got some taramana to drink too. Oh, yeah, okay. Hold on. Let's talk about this Just I mean we're blowing through the heart out here and we can move it back as you're the rock Taramana unbelievable. Yeah, Moana. I mean we didn't even get into live action

Moana too is unbelievable this This Ust Godfather movie that you're also writing a book for is going to be awesome. Just TKO board of director of the board. I mean hey just know that as former athletes that we are watching you as former athlete kind of navigate this world you're an incredible inspiration to us. You're an eyebrow raisin trail blazing boo-coo money-making dog that we're all watching we appreciate the hell out of you Ous. Hey I appreciate you love you so thank you and I'll see you soon. Hit you! Hit you some ass! Still got it. All right, thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Good thoughts, and we appreciate it. Yeah!

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It is a dream come true to get to do this for a living. It's also a dream come true to get to work with the WWE. Now what happened last night was a nightmare. As Michael Cole, my broadcast colleague, my great friend, and obviously the greatest of all time whenever it comes to WWE commentary, was viciously attacked by the former World Heavyweight Champion, Gunther, because Gunther tapped out. And Gunther didn't like the way we talked about it. So not only did he try to attack Michael Cole, which he would inevitably put a chokehold on,

Michael Cole's a damn near 60 years old journalist at this point. And I, you know, just break it up. Hey, listen, you need to get off my guy here. Then obviously Adam Pearce comes sprinting in. We think we have his thing under control. All right, hey listen, you take a hike, Bob. This thing, this is over here.

You came out of nowhere. We have no idea where you came from You're acting like an asshole. I'm gonna do my job and then boom he attacks me like a jungle cat He puts a bow constrictor around my neck and then he puts me to sleep La La Land is where I had to in Las Vegas last night as the boys Jumped over the barricade to try to get my back first of all boys. I appreciate you Appreciate you do it every day of the week. I appreciate you doing it.

Gunther, you know, I don't... Is there legal action? I honestly don't. I honestly don't know how or what we got. That's not my style at all, okay? We'd rather handle business in other ways. I have no idea what's next, but I know don't put your hands on Michael Cole.

And if you do, there's a chance I'm gonna get involved and even if you chuck me out I'm still gonna stand right back up and say hey fuck you. Don't be doing that to my friend. Now you attacked me from behind I found that very clever. There was a moment where we were staring at each other it could have been a little bit of a time but instead you wait for me to turn back around go back do my job keep show going so you can continue to get paid. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so we can all keep lights on here. It's raw after many of this is a big one. Instead I get attacked, the boys come out, whatever the case, nonetheless.

Was taken to a medical facility last night. They checked my neck. Obviously everything's good. A little... Ha! Ha! As you can hear. Yep. A little rough.

Been talking all weekend though. Exactly, that too. It's very dry out there. So I didn't really know what all the damage was directly from Gunther. Other than the fact that he restricted all the oxygen to my brain yeah and I was no longer there so you know I got I didn't tap out last night but I definitely got passed out last night and we move forward that's why this Tuesday is glorious NFL draft is on Thursday night and I hope Adam Pierce

gets it all sorted out there at Monday night. The Toxic Tip was here at Boston Connor and Ty Schmidt one half of the hammer Cowboys AP tone is here a nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler's here people I appreciate you trying to get in there that security was stiff that security was there they were worried about you guys They weren't really worried about the former world champion choking me up I had to work they had the wrong focus for sure But like you said most importantly you didn't tap out you didn't embarrass program. We out. You didn't embarrass the program. We jumped in. We didn't embarrass the program.

We tried to kind of maybe dial up a little blitz on the run. We did. But the boys might be tapped in the trenches. You guys were in the cross dog? Oh, yeah. They might be tapped in in the trenches, because they were ready. And we were missing our linebacker. We needed it.

We needed it. We needed it. Forehead traps. We needed the shoulders. But it's on site. I saw a lot of people asking that it's all psyched joining us now It is joining us now. Ladies and gentlemen is a guy who wasn't there last night. Hmm Hmm could use them sad I say could use them wouldn't been nice to see him

Just use his barbarian like strengths to to jump up over that oh man me him just doing one of these up over That thing and then some security guy coming to I got uh, not that one, you know trying to figure out Who's aj and then aj literally cobra striking Maybe I don't pass out last night probably not but instead he wasn't there. Thanks a lot aj. He was hanging with his family Okay college football national champion super bowl champion champion, Ryder Cup winner absent last night as I get choked out in Las Vegas, AJ Hawk. Hey, you're right. I was actually on a plane watching my iPad on Netflix and I saw this happen.

I was extremely jealous that I was not there and envious of the boys that they got out. I was very impressed with how quickly they jumped over that wall because that would have been fun, man. That would have been a good time. I was very envious that there was a situation where I could have hit people. Okay, that's what that sounded like right there. Sounds like rules weren't really implied at that moment, just allowed to just start hitting people.

Very envious of the boys in that situation. Not envious of me, obviously. I was attacked from behind, AJ, you don't like that. You were, that was nasty. You were. That was nasty. I mean credit to you for not even thinking of tapping, but I don't really think Gunther would have, you know, he probably would not have honored that tap and let go anyways. Yeah, maybe though. Maybe he just wanted to see me tap for my life. Just a heads up, you're gonna have to fucking kill me. He's not a cat. Take the heat off him for tapping a couple nights before. Yeah, he was trying to yeah, right Gunther Yeah, right buddy. And you know, I thought granted

Me and Cole we see the world differently than Gunther does. Okay, we see wrestling different than Gunther does, you know But we have had nothing but respect for Gunther. I think throughout this entire thing put him over all the time We do pull them over all the time we do put them over all the time we put him over all the time and he loses to our guy Jey Uso who we have you know yeah yeet situations with big night out and he just Jey Uso came through to big night out you're talking about all these things so going through just being like yeah I don't like the way you guys with his, I don't like the way you guys, with his accent, I don't like the way you guys, shut up dude. Shut up. Go home.

This is a professional sports. You're a world champion, brother. You're not gonna love everything it said about you. You think I enjoy everything that's said about me? You see what LeBron did with Stephen A? That's how you handle it. You walk up and you say, I don't like what you do. You don't smack a 60 year old man.

No. And then snatch him up. Hey, how you do? There's no tooth in that AJ. So while you're sitting on that plane, you should see what was going through my head. The entire place was screaming, you tapped out, you tapped out, you tapped as he's talking to Cole. And in my head, I'm like, Oh, this is going to amplify the entire situation for sure. They're kind of publicly embarrassing him. Like, and then obviously Cole was like, Hey, listen, I just can we shake hands here, you know, kind of publicly embarrassing him like and then Obviously Cole's like hey listen. I just we shake hands here. You know kind of get others

So I'm not the one to tap out cold did throw a little bit of a he did he couldn't help himself there And then go through does this thing and then there's so many wires back there. I mean that good I could keep my feet so strong. Yeah, and then word I mean Cole almost losses Yeah, Cole's down and out there too for a little bit. Good point. Thank you Yeah, I've been hanging out with Wade Barrett so I can be You know cuz with the placement of where Cole's head was it's like whenever there's a hostage exactly exactly Yeah, you don't know where the target is so he had Cole up there pretty tight So I try to take the elbow out the back door smart

Yeah, and it worked clearly caught him Then I hit him with a little left. But everybody's got their eyes on the boys. Obviously fans jumping in, they're probably going to be a little bit more, nobody's trying to get Guenther off my damn neck. I mean, Adam Pearce is like, get on back and then get them off. How about that, Pearce? Yeah. Like you said, I wasn't thinking it in the moment. Maybe that is why they kind of just converged on us because they thought I mean I did have my sweet WrestleMania jacket on so maybe they thought that it was it's quite a flash I know I know so maybe they did think it was a couple fans

But again, you know, I mean who's who's making money for the company What the hell are they dealing with us over there? Let's go, you know, let's go get the guy go get the guy who's calling the show every single Monday night. And I will say, WrestleMania weekend was fantastic. We're not going to let this Austrian asshole steal it or make anything negative about what the weekend was. Sure. And also we have yet to say it rocked in him bring it up.

Congrats to Dominic Mysterio. Congrats Dom. What a win. Guys are champions. Truly. Guys are champion. Guys are champion. Twice, he's defended it. Yeah.

I mean, he is now certified. He's a certified champion in WWE. And we debuted same weekend. I was in NXT. He was handed WrestleMania, obviously. He was. Oh. So I mean, that's kind of how it goes.

And the way he's acted since then and how disrespectful he's been to his Hall of Fame father is obviously something we've all watched But he's undeniable at this point the guys that are cutting down champion and I'll tell you what Las Vegas Just like us got to the point where they're like, you know what man congrats. Yes Congrats to Dom what a win that fatal four-way match was insane. That was the exact ride I was taking on. When he won it, I still wasn't necessarily a Dom guy. A lot of us was booing. Connor was taking his victory lap for sure. When he ran out, kind of got halfway up the ramp and then ran back in the ring to get his moment, I was like, alright, I'm a Dom guy. He is absolutely awesome. You're saying when he came back in to take the victory lap?

Yeah, when he came back, fuck yeah, fuck that. I got to take this moment. Boom, got back on the turn point, that was awesome. He's a piece of shit, but he's our piece of shit. Yep, both of us. Well, he's yours. He's not necessarily mine, but I am certainly proud of him. But yeah, him just saying, you know what? Yeah, I'm gonna take Tractor another round.

Cause they started cheering for him. I think that had to be so uncomfortable. He's standing up there, he's holding the title, and I assume he thinks everybody's gonna boom. Everybody starts cheering for him, he's like, hold the phone, hold the phone. I didn't know this was gonna be. That's a 50 yard run back in, stop the show.

Okay, we're not gonna continue the show anymore. Runs all the way back in there, goes up there, and they show him love, and the man you see down on the side there, Braun Breaker, he speared Carlito from one commentary desk to the other. Absolutely absurd in front of us. Braun Breaker loses his title on Sunday, then on Monday he joins Seth Freakin' Rollins and Paul Hammond.

So the WWE is on fire right now. Livin' Rock Hell with the Judgment Day, once again tag team champs. They won tag team champs one day, now they're four time Tag Team champs. Lyra Valkyria, still the Intercontinental Champion. You talk about so many different title changes, so many different story changes, so many different narratives changed. It was a great WrestleMania weekend, AJ,

and you got a chance to experience all of it, or some of it, and when I need you, you weren't there. So. Yeah, sorry about that, yeah, believe me. If I had any kind of inkling that Gunther was gonna do that, I would've stuck around, no question. Me too, I would've. I, believe me. I if I had any kind of inkling that goon through is gonna do that I would have I would have stuck around no question me too. I would uh, I want to walk around You're tucked your chin. You suck your chin all night. Yeah, it's hard to get Yeah, maybe a dog collar dog collar spikes I asked the medical professionals if i'm gonna need to wear

A neck brace today. Sure. Yeah, and they said sir, there's nothing really wrong with your, like anything like that. You just took oxygen away from your brain. But I wasn't, there had to be something. I mean, don't you think I should protect my neck? You don't need that, sir. We'll see. You thought about going forward,

like you're gonna have like security, just like D-Bone maybe just. Sure. Yeah. D-Bone puked all over. Joining us now we'll move away from what happened last night it was a great mania weekend thank you to everybody who participated. Thank you the superstars thank you the crew thank you everybody Buck Gunther. Well said. Shout out to the Fountain Blue in Las Vegas. Shout out. Incredible. Very nice. That's the nice hotel I've in Las Vegas. Shout out. Shout out. Incredible. Very nice. So nice.

That's the nicest hotel I've ever stayed in. Until this very far. By far. And now we're going to Green Bay. So we will go from Fountain Blue in Las Vegas that just opened a year ago to Green Bay Wisconsin hotels and we cannot wait to get up there.

Ain't that right, Ty? Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, listen, Fountain Blue was great. It was. It's no Motel 8 with, you know, an indoor pool and probably a pretty sweet sauna. Is there wifi? I don't know. Yeah, I would imagine so.

I would imagine they have blazing fast wifi, their continental breakfast, you name it. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is the man who's going to be joining us for a draft spectacular. And I have no idea how this happened. In the mix of a lot of media news and like a massive free agent moving from

NFL Network and Fox to ESPN, somehow Schreger did not have a home for the first night of the draft and it's like, come on home, brother. Ladies and gentlemen, Emmy award winner, ESPN pundit, insider and analyst, Peter Schreger. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go brother. With open arms.

You know, the motel it's great. When I always tell like a good hotel situation when you can park and then enter from the outside into your room, you know, you're in a good spot. And I feel like that's what we're looking for at Green Bank. Little parking lot, put the key in from the outside, walk right in. I can't wait, let's go. That's a motel, brother, not a hotel.

Motel, hotel, holiday in. I think that's actually it. Say what? Okay, Shriggs, all right, happy to hear that. A little culture over there, Shriggs. Like, you know, that's possible. Here we are, two days out from the first round of the NFL Draft.

This is normally whenever you are pretty dialed in. You were saying some things this morning on get up about how there seems to be a lot of movement potentially for two, three and four, but not for quarterbacks, maybe. What are you expecting here at the top of this draft? Is everything kind of settled in in your eyes or is there still massive question marks out there, Schrags? Not at all. I think everyone thinks it's going to be chalk and it's going to go Cam Ward number one to the Titans and I believe that will happen. I've been told that teams have called the Titans and they have not entertained

any offers and they're set and Cam Ward is expected to be the number one pick barring something crazy happening over the next 48 hours. Two is where it gets interesting. The same teams that have been calling the Titans are calling the Browns. And the Browns, unlike the Titans, are listening. And their phone lines are open. And the Giants, some calls have been made to. The same thing there. So every year you have GMs making phone calls just trying to get a feel for it. But I could say with great certainty that both the Browns at two and the Giants at three, phone lines are open and they're not telling teams, no, no, no, no, no, we're set. Travis Hunter's our guy or Abdul Carter's our guy. Both those teams, the door is still open and they are listening to calls, whether or not that's where they go, it's a different

story, but at least leads to some intrigue and it might just not be chalk at the top of the draft. Normally the calls up to the top end of the draft are for the quarterback position, but it sounds like that might not be the case this year. Tone has a question for you, Shraggs. Yeah, Shraggs. Let's talk about Chador, who is the most interesting man in the draft on depending on where he goes. I can't remember the words you use this morning, but it was awesome. It was somewhere around the median mean mode, one of those things. But you said Chador anywhere from potentially two, three, two into the second round. East being bad has them as a favorite to go to the Browns at plus two 50. I know

a Fandel has them the favorite to go to Steelers. So no one knows where should ours going. If he does get by three, if he does get by nine at the saints, do you think he gets by the Steelers at 20? Yeah. So three is where it all starts starts and that's the word I used was Delta, meaning it is the difference of change and it can go anywhere from three to honestly the second round and why do I say three because the Giants have not closed the door on taking Shador Sanders and other Giants do have a fondness for Shador Sanders and if you're going to take them at 15 or 18 or 19 if this is the quarterback of your future, there is a feeling of just take them at three, just take them where you have them don't get cute take them when you have

them if you like them that's your guy they obviously have been to his pro day 13 different people from the organization came they have been to multiple uh colorado buffalo games they have been to practices and not only did they have them in for a visit they then took them out to dinner in new jersey and then last week to just make sure one more time they went out to boulder again the issue with last week to just make sure one more time They went out to Boulder again The issue with this is that they've done the same exact work and put the same exact personnel behind Jackson Dart They have sent everyone to the pro day at Jackson Dart You know, there's so many connections between Ole Miss and the Giants right now

If I could just go through them quickly Joe judge is one of the lead assistant coaches with Ole Miss. He's been there for a couple years. He boots on the ground. A lot of the same people from the Giants front office worked with Joe Judge. So if there's any conversation on Jackson Dart, they can have it there. Freddie, Charlie Weiss' kid is calling the plays

over there at Ole Miss. Well, Brian Babel worked with Charlie Weiss and they have a long relationship there. If they have any conversations to have, they can do it there. You add in Eli having a connection to Ole Miss, you add in the fact that Joe Shane has a kid who goes to Ole Miss.

Like there is a ton of connections between Jackson Dart and the Giants. So I'm not just saying, because a lot of people went to the workout to Chador that that's their guy. It could be as early as three, or it could be one of these where Shador slips past the Saints at nine.

And I'm saying 21 makes sense to the Steelers, or 20 to make sense to the Steelers. Because I've heard that he and Mike Tomlin had a great meeting, and his conversation with Arthur Smith went great. But I'm not coming out right now and saying that's where it ends. He could slide past the Steelers and it can go on

till Friday night if that's the case. Okay, so on that note, and I think Tomlin and Shador would be great together. I think from what we know about Shador, which is a lot because of all the behind the scenes stuff and documentary stuff, we've seen him since high school, I think if he gets to a place that knows him, likes him and accepts him, he's gonna be a guy.

But if he goes to a place that like, isn't all in on Shador, it might be another one of those stories where it's like, is this the right fit? Yada, yada, yada. Now on the quarterback, first round quarterback discussion, D-Bud has a question for you, Shreene. Yeah, and much like Kiper,

I'm very high on Shador as well. And you talked about him possibly being a play at three. I'm sure that'll impact this number. Where are you at on the over, under, in the first round with the quarterbacks? I think it's at two and a half right now. The tone said, and obviously if Chador goes earlier, that'll open it up. Where you at with that number?

Yeah, look, I think for sure, Cam Ward goes one. I think if I'm looking at the way I think at the end of the first round and I'm talking from like 26 at the Rams to 32 at the Eagles. If you're the Browns, you're the Saints, you're the Steelers and you didn't take them in the first go around or you're the Giants, those teams will be looking to trade back. Look at the Rams at 26 like that is classic less need. Here someone to come back, give us another extra pick. We'll move back and come and get them.

So long story short, I do think Kam Ward is one. I do think Chador goes and then I think Jackson Dart goes. I'm going to say three with a possibility of four if someone wants to sneak in at like the last two picks to get a Mil Rowe or a Tyler Shoe. It just feels like two and a half quarterback position nowadays even if somebody doesn't really let's try and see if we can hit. That feels like a good bet. But could be a wild draft night. AJ has a question for you about a non quarterback.

Let's talk defense, shall we? Yeah, Shregs, what about Mason Graham, the big D tackle out of Michigan? What do you think the range is where he could be? I've heard if he's there at six, the Raiders may take a look at bringing him in, obviously try to bolster that into your defensive line. But where do you think the range of where he could go? He's in that next tier, right? So you've got Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter as defensive players, and there's this group.

And the group is Mason Graham, who is your three technique worker inside interior lineman. Then you got Jalen Walker, who is this stud pass rusher who's a coach's son and is interviewing out of this world out of Georgia. And then you've got the corner out of Texas, you know, Baron. So you've got that next that group of next three, if you're looking for a defensive player. If I was to target Mason Graham, I would say five is the earliest to Jacksonville, but I'd be surprised. All right.

And then I would say the back end is probably 11 to the Niners would be like the bookend. So he's going somewhere in that five to 11 range. My mock draft, I've got him going nine to the Saints, but that could easily be eight to the Panthers or 11 to the Niners. Have you put out your final mock draft yet? No, no.

And I'm excited to share that I'm going to put it out tomorrow morning. We're going to talk about it on getup. We're going to talk about it on, on SportsCenter and NFL Live. But I've been working on this thing, Pat, for probably since you got to Vegas for WrestleMania, sitting on the couch. I'm watching you guys. I'm watching the NBA playoffs and I'm texting every GM and I'm getting all the intel I can. And I haven't submitted it yet. Things change. But right now I feel pretty good with where I've got these guys and where in the range they're going to be. I can't pinpoint every team, but I feel pretty good with where I've got these guys and and where in the range they're gonna be I can't pinpoint every team but I feel

like I've got the right 32 guys who are probably gonna go in the first round we're talking to Peter Schrager currently at an airport heading to Green Bay Wisconsin for the draft obviously this is a thing he's releasing his mock draft tomorrow morning that'll be something the entire industry will be looking at we cannot wait to see you in Green Bay, Wisconsin on that mock draft. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Shregs, it feels like the Patriots at four

is kind of where the unknown of the entire draft starts. The one, two, three seems to be set. Who knows what teams or what order that will be in, but it really does feel as though number four is kind of where the toss-up begins. Will Campbell being a huge favorite today makes me think there's no chance he's gonna go number four because that's what this week's all about. I believe you talked about at two or three teams were calling up, of course, for Carter and Hunter, but also Jinty getting a big push right now. Is that somebody who's gonna be

Probably in it for New England at four or do you see New England doing kind of hey? We need a left tackle. We need a pass rusher even though their GM or pseudo GM Elliott wolf even though Mike Vrabel is obviously kind of running the entire show has said before like hey We're in a spot where we can take best available. And it sounds as though best available would be GNT at four. It's interesting. So, you know, we'll Campbell, you look at him, he's everything you know, you like in a player, but it's see a blue chip prospect.

He's not Orlando pace coming out of college. He's not Jonathan Ogden. I'm not sure he's Joe Walt or Rashawn Slater or any of these recent guys either. There's obviously questions about his arm length and people can roll their eyes, but is he a better offensive guard than offensive tackle? They're real questions. So that to me tells me there's no way this is a slam dunk. I also know that they've been making calls on Armand Membou in the last few days and just to make sure that they know everything about him as another offensive tackle option. And then you nailed it. You know Genti this is there's three great players in this draft coming out of college look all these guys can end up being awesome players but there are three great players there's Abdul Carter there's Travis Hunter and then there's Ashton Genti and if you're

telling me well this is a team that's already got Saquon Barkley or this is a team that's already got another star running back with and I say okay you don't take Ashton Gentry at fourth overall. Ramandre Stevenson is a fine running back, but Ashton Gentry completely changes his Patriots offense. So I would not close the door on Membu. I would not close the door on Campbell and I would not close the door on Ashton Gentry. I'd also add this. I've been doing this a long time. Elliott Wolf been in the league a long time. The one number one overall pick that I've ever been completely duped on was a few years back and I did do a mock draft and I made a million calls and even within their organization and I submitted to at the

time Fox Sports calm I was like Sam Darnold's going number one to Cleveland Sam Darnold is the Cleveland Browns quarterback I did that around Wednesday afternoon I felt really confident on it. Checked around with my Cleveland. I felt really confident on it. checked around with my Cleveland guys still felt really confident on it. The pick was made and the announcement from one Roger Goodell was Baker Mayfield. Do you know who was in that front office? Elliot Wolf was number two in that front office. So I don't trust anything from the Patriots. And what we're hearing from the Patriots, I think Elliot Wolf

gets a kick out of having everyone zig and then they zag and they say, well, we didn't say anything. You guys made that assumption. So I think it's wide open and I'm not just trying to spike ratings here in New England or anything. I honestly think anyone who thinks they know the Patriots are doing it for insane, it's a slam dunk. They're full of it cause Elliot Wolf ain't talking. And I don't think Vrabel is either.

Yeah, Vrabel, I don't think is, you know, a stranger to telling the media to go scram as well. So should be a fun time for the Patriots fans What if you guys just trade out, you know, what if you just trade out? Especially if try people are trying to get to two and three I assume four is gonna be an active spot as well Anything is possible with this draft feels like that's real now in the past There's been some players that we know get moved on draft day tie as a question for you Shrakes

Yeah Shrakes speaking of the Patriots There's been a little smoke around, you know, AJ Brown potentially getting traded there to reunite with Frabel We haven't really heard anything from Trey Hendrickson since everything kind of went sideways after Katie Blackburn's comments at the the winter meetings or you know, the the owners meetings I know that a lot of this stuff might be like day of and you don't really have any of it yet, but are you hearing anything about like trades percolating outside of teams, making an early selection

and then moving back into the book end of the first round? I'm gonna shoot you straight. This is interesting because, actually Hendrickson, I mean, you guys were great with Hendrickson. That was the only time I've seen him speak publicly. And I thought he was awesome with you guys, but like, this is the kind of stuff, candidly, this stuff won't be popping up today. And I know that seems like I'm taking the fit. That's going to be a Thursday situation because they'll get the structure of a deal and they'll know what's going on. But based on what Cincinnati does at 17, look, if they take Shamar Stewart out of Texas A&M at 17, that suddenly makes Trey Hendrickson a lot more easy to get rid

of and say, okay, well, we can at least go to bed knowing we've got a guy that we just drafted who's going to make way less that we have the utmost thoughts for. For the Patriots, let's get through the draft, let's get through night one, but let's get through night two and let's see what wide receivers they've selected and what offensive weapons They've selected before we start making those trades So I have done this a long time You never see the veteran player traded a day before or that deal made until the day of and it's usually after the pick Was already selected. Okay last question here Shreg's for you before you get on a plane

What airport are you at right there seems active? You get on a plane, what airport are you at right there? Seems active. I'm at LaGuardia, I'm telling you, LaGuardia has been completely redone. This used to be the hell hole of the earth. And right now it's lovely. I feel like I'm on a luxury liner. This is great.

It does look very nice. Is that an international wing? Cause you know. No, no, that's JFA. That's domestic flights. You know, cause most of these airports, the international wings, they soup up. So whenever people come to America, look how nice our shit is.

And then you go down escalator to the domestic side, it's like picking actual shit off the ground. The airport hasn't been updated in a long time. That looks like a beautiful place. And look at the sky behind it. Dude, I'm thinking maybe taking a little trip here on a random Tuesday or Wednesday to spend a couple hours hanging at the airport. It's beautiful. Yeah, terminal. Hang out at the terminal.

Maybe live there. Okay, last question here. Get that little massage at that little relaxed place they have. It'd be great. Yeah. All the food too. Maybe Sparrow Pizza. Oh.

Oh. New York Slides. God, it'd be so good. All right, last draft question here from D-Bud. Shre, you just mentioned all wide outs Um, I know outside after Travis hunter. I don't really see that guy and that last year He had a Marvin Harris the junior neighbors Rome right at the top. We knew they're going How do you see the wide receivers coming off the board after Travis?

the most polarizing prospect in his draft outside of Shador Sanders is Ted McMillan because I have teams telling me he wouldn't escape the top five if it was up to us the production that he had at Arizona and what he brings as a six foot four wide receiver with incredible hands and just a dominant this guy looks like Calvin Johnson or Mike Evans on a good day but the tape from 2024 wasn't great there were plays where he took off the things he said publicly. He's a volleyball player. There's questions whether he loves football, all that stuff can play tricks with an NFL front office, especially if it's a young GM putting their name and sticking their name on something. So Ted McMillan, as I said, should work and go like three to 34. I think Ted McMillan could go anywhere from like five to 19. That's how that's how big his Delta is, but it's a great question.

He's the number one guy probably. And then Matthew Golden's the burner that you get out of Texas who is what he is. He's an Xavier worthy type, you know. And then Apuka is everyone's favorite player in the world. AJ will like this. He's literally, everyone wants him to marry their daughter. He's that much of a great guy.

The question is, where's the upside there? He's probably a first round pick as well. Shout out to Ohio State, Creighton, you know, absolute gentleman. Yeah, that's right. Schrags, travel safely, we will see you in Green Bay. Enjoy LaGuardia Airport, it looks gorgeous. It's beautiful, I tell you, I watched the WrestleMania,

I thought you guys were awesome, you were incredible, but I have a new favorite part of the wrestling ecosystem. I don't know if he's even got a name. The Paul brother, his his manager Jeff with the brass knuckles I like that guy that's your favorite guy huh Jeff is straight okay Jeff Mark yeah that guy Jeff got thrown out there he did he got thrown out there we've seen Jeff a few times the only time he's always up to no good That's right sneaky bastard Logan Paul had a drug like a pet drone

Oh, yeah, just kind of come to me in my jungle drone Jeff hit that barricade as hard as Steve did yeah, I mean Steve Alston's quad their AT, kind of stuck into the pad. A lot of juice on that thing. Yeah, a little bit too many CCs there. I don't think I knew what was going on. He blasted that thing. There was a good, there was a situa- yeah. Good sell. It was great to see Steve Austin come out there.

He threw that thing, 124,576 people, whatever that card landed on the commentary desk right in front of me. I have that that's not sweet. That is cool He threw it out there. I have it. Yeah, how did everybody in there? Yeah, the first night. Yeah Yeah, what if he would Were you with? Did I already? Start over. Yeah, let's do it again. One, two.

I will say there was a video of him trying to get up onto the ramp of the stage. That thing was coming out of nowhere. I mean, the way that was set up was certainly in a fashion, especially because I came through one of those side doors as well on the back of one of those like Graphic trucks, I don't know what it would be in Vegas. It's very popular where you run a graphic run an ad ours is for big night

with behind the scenes Exclusive footage available now on Hulu I don't know if anybody told anybody that I was coming in on a truck to the side though Because obviously they're facing that way he's coming in here. That's a tight turn though from where you're coming for the ramp So if nobody told Steve that that ramp you got a hug thing pretty tight in there I could see how that would happen. But yeah, what a spectacle it was out there in Las Vegas. That stage was gigantic This is a lot longer than I thought it was gonna to be as well. It was pretty gassed out. And then we yeeted, you know. So, I mean it was a uh, it was a hell of a time.

Shout out to Las Vegas. Shout out to Allegiant Stadium. Also a beautiful stadium. Unbelievable. Very beautiful. All these new places are nicer than the old places obviously. Allegiant, very new. Fountain Blue, very new. This This weekend or this week in Green Bay, we'll be heading in to that good old fashioned feel good at Green Bay, Wisconsin. I'm jacked up. I cannot wait.

We can have some of them cheese curds. Wait. Yes, without a doubt. We have them super, did you get us a dinner place? Yeah, I think we're gonna make that work. Thank you. It'd be good to go. That boy, Coach will appreciate that.

Yeah, Coach will appreciate that. Joining us, he said, I'm gonna call you. We're gonna be locked in. Hey, Mike McCarthy is gonna be spectacular Thursday night. Now I called him late in this process. He said, I don't know everything about all these prospects. I'm gonna be honest.

We don't need you to be the all-knower of tight end coming out of Liberty University mid first round, late first round. All we need you to do is tell us why you think a team's doing it. And if it pops up a story, just just rekindles go ahead and let that thing fly coach because we got a good five hours with you on Thursday night back in Green Bay I can't wait for us joining us now ladies and gentlemen is a man who is a multiple-time Super Bowl champion a man that knows the NFL inside and out he's been a consultant I think he's been a manager he's obviously known for being one of the greatest head coaches in the history of the game. Ladies and gentlemen of New York Giants

fame, coach Tom Coughlin. I don't think you've got I thought you were telling stories about stadiums. I could tell you one about the old Raiders Stadium. We're going to open with them one year when I was in Jacksonville. We go out there. None of the restrooms worked. After the game, we all showered in one stream of water coming out of the wall. The whole team. And then flew back across the country. What year is that, Coach? Coach, what year is that, you think?

I don't know. Maybe 96 or 7 right in there. Okay, so let's talk about that. Because Candlestick, obviously back in San Francisco, had no doors on the toilets back in the day. Obviously the Coliseum you're talking about in Oakland was wild behind the scenes, but then you get out there and everybody in the city is smoking too, so it's just a weed cloud over the entire place. And if you look at what it is now, Allegiant Stadium,

they're selling like $100,000 VIP boxes right off of the end zone Is it wild for you and the other OGs that have helped build this league to see where it is now? I mean there'll be hundreds of thousands of people in Green Bay just to watch the draft feels like the league is bigger and better than Ever could you guys have expected that whenever you guys were trying to build this entire thing? Well, that's that's for sure. But some of these stadiums today are just they're incredible You know, they're they're they're gonna build one here in Jacksonville in the next couple of years. It looks more like a spaceship It's unbelievable where these things are going and how well they've come along but I will tell you this I was in Green Bay for two years and

The fans are incredible, as you well know. During my first preseason, I had come in from St. Norbert's College into our offices to look at some tape real quick before a night preseason game. I thought I'd maybe run home for a couple of hours before the game started about 3 30. I opened the back door of the office the way we used to sneak out in the parking lot. And the parking lot was full of people for a preseason game. It was at 7 30, 8 o'clock at night.

They're throwing frisbees. They're throwing the football around. It was it was an incredible scene. That was my first introduction to the fans of Green Bay. One of the greatest football towns in the history of football towns. Anytime you think of Green Bay, you think of football, you think of Steve Sable, you think of NFL films, you think of the frozen tundra,

you think of the backbone of what the NFL has become. Think of Lombardi. That's what you think about. Matriculate. Lombardi Avenue right there, you know. Right next to McCarthy Way, and then I think think AJ Hawk even's got a lane over there they got a good curling facility there but let's talk about this week of the NFL calendar. Obviously the draft is on Thursday as a head coach as a manager as a consultant what are your thoughts on the

guys that you're trying to bring into the building? For us it feels like we just want to know if you love ball like if somebody loves ball everything else kind of follows suit. Is that what you were looking for as well? Or what was kind of the big thing? It's a huge question that the players asked and you know how this goes now, Pat. The players are given the answers to the questions in advance, you know, by the agents and all that stuff. But you're looking for authenticity. You're looking for somebody who loves the game, who knows what he's getting into, knows what he's being hired for, who fits your tradition in your locker room. Let's face it, if you've been with it for a few years and you've had a chance to

build a team the way you want to build them, you want somebody that's going to come in and be a part of that. So all of those questions are big and of course goes right along with all the normal questions of height, weight, speed and blah, blah, blah, blah. Who we played against, who's the best guy you competed against this year, you know, as we all try to analyze and work down towards it. But the love of the game and the love of competition, this is the thing that you've got to get to the bottom of. Who are the competitors? Give me a room full of competitors.

We'll take our chance. Go ahead, AJ. Coach, other than watching these guys on film, watching them compete and speaking to their coach, I guess what can you do to ensure that this guy is a true competitor and he's not putting on just because he's sitting in a 15 minute meeting

with your team at the combine? Well, for me, you gotta to count on your scouts. You've got to count on the people that are supposed to be doing all the background work, doing all the checking, knowing the personality of the player. It's not easy today. I understand that. The trainers don't really give you the information

you need today because of all the legalities that are involved. But however, you got to have people who truly know the player and can stand up one way or another and talk about him. We're going to know how the player grades on the tape. We're going to know a little bit about him after his interview at the combine. But what you need to know is deep down inside, what's he made up of and somebody's got to get in there and find out the real personality of the individual. On the things that you potentially find out, D-Bud has a question for you.

Yeah, during this process, I feel like every year is always a prospect and it's like, hey, it's some red flags, you know, off the field. As a coach before drafting a guy, how was the due diligence behind that? But then is there a certain story where maybe you did some due diligence drafting the guy, how was the due diligence behind that? But then is there a certain story where maybe you did some due diligence on the guy, you trusted him going forward and it turned out to be good? Well, my story with regard to that is not the story of a prospect coming in,

it's a story of David Tyree. David Tyree, and this is, I'm not talking out of school. David wrote it in his book. David Tyree, my first year, it's the spring of 2004, my first year in New York. I look up from my desk and there's a knock on the door. Ernie, of course, he's there. He's got David Tyree with him. He brings David Tyree in and he looks at me and he says, do with him what you want. I thought, Oh, what's coming. So David sat down, Syracuse guy. He sat down and he told me the story. He had been pulled over by a police officer on one of the bridges and he

had marijuana in his trunk. And, uh, so I listened to this story and, and David, uh, you know, told me about finding Jesus and all that, and I've heard that one before so that wasn't necessarily the clincher but I did listen intently and I did decide that you know what I'm going to give this guy another chance and he proved to be quite a story and it was it was a good thing we kept him. Yeah, yeah, I'd say. I think Eli's pretty pumped up about it as well. I don't know how Patriots fans feel.

As soon as you mentioned his name, Boston Connor over here sent two birds to the sky. And I'm happy. You know, Pat, one of the stories about David Tyree and Eli tells you a little bit about Eli. The Friday before that Super Bowl 42, the Patriots undefeated team, we're practicing. We had the Arizona Cardinal facility to practice in. So we're practicing and it's probably the worst practice I've ever seen a receiver, certainly a receiver have.

David Tyree was a wide receiver. We used him on short yardage and goal line because he's strong and he would block. And we had put some things into goal line where the fake, you know, the first touchdown he scored in the game was off of that play action play. But in that practice he couldn't catch a thing. The ball was hitting him in the helmet, shoulder pads, he couldn't follow it in. It was a really terrible practice. Now I'm trying to hold it all together, not show my concern, blah, blah, blah, blah. The red line's going up my head a little bit. But Eli, when the practice is over, he takes David Tyree,

he puts his arm around him, he says, David, don't worry about today. We know that when the game's on the line, you'll come through for us. It was quite a prophecy, to be honest with you. Yeah, I'd say say tell me about Eli because obviously we know Eli from the Manning cast and he's one trying to keep things light. That's right. You know and I've got a chance to be around him. He's much taller and bigger than I think people give him credit for. He's incredibly athletic. I think his brother's known as like the robot obviously the type-A personality we're gonna do this all. What was Eli like? Is that a very common Eli story there of leadership

and teammate and everything like that? It is in his own way. You know, I've got a, my thinking is this, Pat, quarterbacks are busy. They're real busy guys. They got a lot on their plate. They're not gonna be your rah rah guys. You know, they can be your captain

where they stand there at midfield, but they're not gonna be the guy that stands in the huddle and gets people going, etc. They've got to be really into the game mentally, and that's where they're coming from. But the thing that a lot of people don't know about Eli is, I mean, he can dish it out and he can take it, but he's one of the great, you know, what's, ball busters in the locker room you've ever been around. And so you have Richie Soybert, you had O'Hara, you had Strahan and you had Eli, and back and forth they would be,

back and forth they would be, and but he can dish it out, he can take it, and he's really, really good for a football team in that sense. Yeah, it sounds like you guys had a great culture over there. Let's talk about the Giants culture currently. Tone, there's a question for you. Yeah, Coach, there's a lot of talk around this draft

about the Giants at number three, and they have to take a player that will quote unquote save Brian Dable and Joe Shane's job. How do you feel about that going into a draft with that much pressure on the coaching staff, on the team, and just in general, trying to save your team and save your job with a draft. Well, I'll be honest with you.

The noise on the outside is that's what it is. It's noise on the outside. The coaches, the scouts, the GM, they know what's on the line. The way the Giants have always operated is Best player available and the thing that has to happen in a draft Anytime is you can't reach for somebody you can't reach for a player who does not belong in that position So if he's graded into that position and that player Happens to be there then the Giants are going to take best available How do you feel? Did you watch the offseason hard knocks offseason last year? No, no

Oh, I never watched any of that stuff smart. It's a good idea not to watch it I'll tell you what the offseason one though last year was just like a Recipe for disaster. I think if you're Shane in the Giants, but as a fan, getting an inside look into how that'll, cause like the Saquon decision had to be made. And then Daniel Jones decision was already made. So it's like, we have to stay with what we made. We can't really do this.

And then Saquon has the biggest year a running back has ever had in the history. It's like each year you can potentially get burned. Is that kind of the idea, the mindset that you have as a coach or GM? Like hey we got one day contracts here? Well not really. The consequences as you've already mentioned are great but you have to understand that in my belief and I'm a fan just like you. I'm not in any office meetings where I listen to what their questions are or how they want to go about their business.

That's their business. But I do know this. There's always a give and take. And something happened in that negotiation that went south. And obviously the result is the result. And to Saquon and the Eagles' benefit, it worked out terrifically for them. And unfortunately for the Giants, it didn't. So the Giants, they understand it,

they've listened to all that's been said about it, but they've got to go about their business now. The great thing that's going on in Philadelphia, which once we start talking about football again, is the idea that look what the running game did for the Philadelphia Eagles. And better than that, the greatest asset that a quarterback can have, bring Jalen Hurts in, and we'll talk about it, is the ability to run the ball. Because when you run the ball, you have play-action pass. You help the offensive line.

You help everybody. And then in a game when they're going to launch the ball, you saw that result as well. It's unexpected on the part of the secondary in many situations. But the running game and what Philadelphia had found, and it also kept the quarterback from being the primary runner in that offense, which is gonna keep him on two feet for a lot long.

Coach, what do you think Saquon has done for the rest of the league? We know we saw the running back position kind of get devalued. I feel like now it's back on the map. I feel like old school football, it's cyclical, it's all coming back. You see this team's trying to become run heavy now in the future? Well, I never believed in any of that crap either. They're happy to get a good job for Baltimore too.

So you got people who have reestablished themselves in the positions they should be in. They should, those people that have that kind of ability and can literally put a team on their back, they're going to be taken high in the draft. I think that part of it has been proven to be a mistake when you pass up on the great ones. How do you feel about football though as a whole? You said you didn't buy into all that. It got really spread out, rules changed, safeties and linebackers weren't able to really hit over the middle. The tight end position became this blossoming position. We started spinning it 50, 60 times a game. All of a sudden the running back,

you better learn how to protect more so than run the ball. Now Saquon and the Philadelphia Eagles almost give everybody else a blueprint like in 2025, you're allowed to be a run dominant team again. Do you think that's true or no? Don't forget now, okay? Once you've got the quarterback, you're talking to me, so this is what I believe, once you've got the quarterback and that's over here, you can't win without the quarterback, okay? I think we all agree with that. Now I'm gonna work on

the offense and defensive lines. That's what you're seeing in Philadelphia. To get done what they did with a four-man rush and play coverage behind that? Are you serious? I mean it's it's you'd love to be able to stamp that for every every game you play and that's what they were able to do. How come everybody's not doing that? Good question. All right there's a couple more questions for you coach. Here's Ty Schmidt. Yeah coach going back to the culture question with yours specifically, everyone's heard of Coughlin time and kind of heard stories about the way you run your operation. We've been talking a lot with these kids in college now with NIL who they're coming into the NFL and they're already millionaires. They've, you know, kind of been not necessarily entitled but pampered for a long time do you think it's harder for younger kids to acclimate to being in the NFL now than it was when you were coaching and like

you know actually taking it as a profession and realizing how serious everything goes that's a good question and I'll tell you why. Remember in days gone by the ultimate was professional football to be in a position to be drafted or in the case of many would be as a free agent make a professional football team and have that as your goal but to know how to get to that goal by going to a college where you know you've got five, four years, you've got to battle adversity, you've got to fight yourself through some difficult times, you know, other coach doesn't like me, I'll tell you what, play well, the coach will like you a lot. You know, these ideas today about, you know, the worst thing that ever happened in the collegiate game is this business about you know

The portal and transferring and all that crap. What are we teaching our young people every time? You don't like something you run away from it. What is that all about? Yeah, what does that have to do with education? How about the understanding you're gonna need your degree? I don't care if it's ten years down the road or whatever You're gonna need to be in some circumstances where you had to use brain power to get to the next level. I think we've made some huge mistakes. They talk about the genie doesn't go back in the bottle.

Let me tell you guys, if we don't solve this portal business, this transfer stuff, so that people, the tradition of college football again, the love of the game, the idea that when you make that people, you know, the tradition of college football again, the love of the game, the idea that when you make that decision, you're there for a four-year period or there's a penalty. You want to go? Yeah, go ahead and go. But you're going to have to sit out for a year and the clock is going to be running on you.

So I am upset about all of these things. Matter of fact, I told Nick Saban and Archie Manning, those two need to get together and solve college football somehow. Oh, great. I've been telling Nick Saban that since the first day I talked to him, like, hey, buddy, you're the one that's got to do this because all the coaches

respect him. Mm-hmm. Like, I think he's one of the only ones that can rally all the coaches. Because if not, you and I both know this. There'll be all the coaches saying, yeah, this shouldn't happen. And then also, hey, we got a hundred thousand bucks over here

if you want to just go ahead and bail because we're going to try to win. It's like, hey, they need rules. They need something. And for everything you're talking about, I think is obviously very valid. But the ripple effect long-term of never facing adversity or being calloused is a big deal.

You know, like there's no question about it. I don't want to speak out of pocket. It makes you stronger. Bingo. It out of pocket. It makes you stronger. Bingo. It makes you better. It makes you better. I was just kicker and punter. Okay. And so I don't want to speak out of pocket for everybody. Every human I know that played college football

wanted to quit at least five times. Winter workouts. Winter workouts, off season workouts, summer workouts. I would say six o'clock in the morning. Everybody. You can't go home. You got to stay there for the whole summer. Yes.

You know, all of that stuff. A lot of moments of like, nope, not doing this anymore. And now there's like an opportunity like, oh, you don't want to do it. That's smart actually. And also we can get you an extra couple hundred thousand bucks over there. It's like any 19 year old, 18 year old that just has like, uh, comes from a background of nothing like it's almost a desirable move to do that When really fighting through that entire feeling is gonna help you for the rest of your life

Hopefully we'll be able to get that we are wrapping up here on ESPN We'll continue digitally on ESPN plus Disney plus YouTube and tick tock live you see on his polo there J fund and has raised over $32 million for families battling against pediatric cancer. You can help out Coach Coughlin. We will continue. 30 years, Matt, 30 years we've been doing this. Incredible work.

I was just reading about this. Founded in 1996 by Tom Coughlin in honor of Jay McGillis, who developed leukemia while a member of Coach Coughlin's team at Boston College. They've been doing this for 30 years, the foundation. They provide financial and emotional support to the families of pediatric cancer, I believe, because the parents and everybody has to like shut down their lives basically to make sure the kid can get through all the treatments and get to all the things. Over 32 million dollars in assistance in the J-Fund. Congrats coach

Making the world a better place coach. That's a real deal. Hey Pat. Thank you for what you do for charity, too You've raised a lot of money. Well, yeah, listen It's I try to make the world a better place try to chase fulfillment But whenever you're in a position like you especially with how much focus you had to have on football To go ahead and change a terrible situation I assume for your team and try to make it a little bit positive for families is a beautiful thing. That's a J-Fund. We will help out however we can. Our goal is to be there for parents facing the unthinkable so they can be there for their families. What a mission. Legitimately, what a mission. Coach Koffman, everything we've heard about you is just like

first class, first class, first class. With that being said, you go to a media market, obviously you're in Jacksonville and you've been in a couple other places, but in New York, that media market is a place that they are trying to make you not be that. Go ahead, Con man. Yeah, coach. How is the New York media market? Because every year, you know, it feels like there's a conversation. When Aaron Rodgers went to the Jets, the whole entire thing was, well, is he going to be

able to handle the New York media market? It's pretty intense over there. And he kind of made the point basically saying, well, now everything's on the internet. Like, it's not as if you're not dealing with, you know, the massive media market, no matter where you are, if you're playing for an NFL team, let alone an NFL team who's competing for a Superbowl. But is that a real thing that you have to prepare guys for if they are coming in as rookies or they're coming in as free agents?

When you're with the Giants, like, hey, this is different here now? Or is that kind of more, you know, more of a myth than it is a real thing that you guys have to deal with? It's real. And I'll tell you, I'll give you the best example. When you speak in some markets to the media on a daily basis, there's six or eight people. When you speak to the media in New York on a daily basis, there might be 75 to 100. It's a whole different deal.

And realize this, these guys, these people are competing for a story, for something sensational, something that makes their presentation, their article different from other people's article. And that's what it is. It's a highly competitive thing. I think we all go through it. I had to learn from it. You guys know what happened after the 06 season. Hell, they wanted to fire me.

We're 8-8. We're in the playoffs. Get rid of Coughlin. But I did come to an understanding. I'm a blue collar guy. The media people are the writers are blue collar guys. I sat and talked to them face to face, took the gloves off. We came away with, I had a little bit more respect for them and, uh, I could

treat them a little bit better. I could give them a little information. Never would hurt my team, but I could be a little bit better. I could give them a little information, never would hurt my team, but I could be a little bit more approachable. They needed help for their job and I changed a little bit and I was better with regard to that. But it is highly, highly competitive in that market and you do have to have as a part of your player development program the educational value of understanding how to deal with the press. Yeah the press is obviously a very important piece of the NFL. Media and coverage of the NFL is a massive piece of it all. I had no idea that New York media members were blue collar. I had no idea until you just said it right there. I was

puked actually whatever you said it but you would know a lot better. I had no idea. Until you just said it right there. I almost puked actually, whatever you said it, but you would know a lot better than I would, I guess. You actually had a chance with them. Extend the olive branch, let's go shake their hands. Let's move forward. We gotta work together. I think that's a smart play. Once again, Coach Coughlin figuring it out.

I mean, that seems to be what you do in all aspects. Go ahead, AJ. Coach, getting back to the draft, Travis Hunter. What do you make of this guy? What do you think he's gonna be able to do next at the next level would you be able to play him both ways receiver and DB or what would what do you think your plan would be if you drafted and brought him in? He's obviously a very very highly skilled and very very well-conditioned athlete to be able to do that at the college level in a game that has what, 150 plays or more?

So this is a young man who's expressed an interest in that. I've never met him. I've never talked to him. I have never had the privilege of sitting down and learning more about him, but it appears on tape that he's an exceptional athlete. And if that's the case, I don't know why whichever side you decide to put him on, you wouldn't have a special situation, your dime look, whatever, where that young man might play on the defensive side of the ball, as well as offense.

Coach, it's never happened really before. Obviously there's always been packages for incredible athletes through it all. And there's now people saying, you know, like you have to play him and I think he has publicly come out and said that he wants to play both but they also gave a full answer because that's what he he's always done do we have we just is there guys that you know we're gonna have success in the NFL you know like Travis Hunter is gonna have success in the NFL in my eyes but this draft there are so

many I'm not saying Travis Hunter this is not me saying this about Travis Hunter okay the cart before horse though happens with the draft every single year But this draft there are so many I'm not saying Travis Hunter. This is not me saying this about Travis Hunter Okay, the cart before horse though happens with the draft every single year media wise and the numbers say and this once again Not about Travis Hunter numbers say a lot of these guys aren't gonna fare in the NFL How do you keep a realistic view whenever you're going into a draft or even into the rebuilding of your team? Understanding that some guys just aren't going to be able to be good NFL players? Well you've made those decisions going in and there are some people that only put the player the guys they believe can really play on the

board if there's any question about them they're not even up there so you might have a board that's stocked for all seven rounds or you might have a board that's stocked for all seven rounds, or you might have a board that has 40 or 50 players on there because those are the people that they believe can play the best. The thing that you'll have to keep in mind about Travis is and all players, okay, 17 games is a grind. I will just tell you that. It's a grind. I will just tell you that it's a grind. And to be able to, to, I know he's young, but to be able to get that production, a player has to be well rested, well trained, well conditioned. And the, you know, you've got to be able to say, like we all do, you know, during the course of the season, maybe we put, maybe we do a walkthrough on Wednesday instead of a full practice as the season goes on because here's a guy if he is doing what we're talking about playing on both sides of the ball he's liable to have 75 80 plays a game and you're going to have to keep track of all that. I hope he's able to do it because it would be spectacular and watching

him at Colorado was awesome as well. And I hope it happens. But you got to remember, the NFL is the all-star team of every single generation that has played for the last, what, 20 years, basically, with how guys are. It's a different level every single week. If Travis is able to just make the jump

for what he was doing in Colorado, right in the NFL, got to be celebrated as one of the greatest athletes to ever exist. Let's talk about the modern NFL a little bit more. D-Bud has a question for you. Yeah, we kind of talked about early with the running game kind of coming back. I know something has come back as well as more,

two high safeties, more defenses kind of making the offense and the quarterbacks go the long hard way. Do you kind of see that sticking around or do you see it going back to more single high safety here pretty soon? You know why that is? Why? Because people are not patient enough to run the ball. Oh yeah.

They give up on the run. If you can sit there, okay, with six in the box and stop the run, you got a pretty darn good football team. But most people on the offensive side of the ball will not stay with the run. You're sitting there with too high. You know what you're running against no matter how they configure it. You know, no matter what personnel you have in the game.

You know, you know what you're going against and you can scheme to block it up, but people won't stay with it. They won't stay with it. And that's where the game is changed What do you think we should talk about first round of the draft on Thursday night? What is a point we should make more of like is this team trying to get better? They trying to find starters like first round we're trying to find starters

We're just trying to find guys that contribute how many you know, like back half of the draft is anybody Realistically thinking that they're definitely gonna hit a home run What are some things we should think about Thursday night from the great brain of coach Coughlin you think one thing you should do is make a decision in your minds as you're looking at it and studying it what is the first round are there actually 25 guys that belong there you know are there 20 players that belong there? What's the first round according to the way in which you evaluate? Okay. Then you can look at the individual teams. Okay. What's Kansas City doing? You know, they're trying to solidify an area which has become quite obvious

for you. Okay. And that is at some point in time, they're definitely going to try to get better in the offensive line for sure. So you need to know, understand what, where, where a team is, what they're in need of. And then you have to make those decisions going in. Also, as you look at the players available, okay, are they available by need or is this the best player out there at that time? So you've got a lot to talk about as each individual team comes up. What are their needs? Where was their weakness? What do they intend to do? What did they do in the offseason? You got to know what people did in free agency because if you're not putting that thing together that way you've got a lot of problems. What do you do? You golf these days, you said you're down in Jacksonville.

What is life like for Coach Coughlin right now? Well, I'm busy with my, obviously with my foundation, the J-Fun Foundation has our 30th Celebrity Golf Classic, May 18th and 19th at TPC Sawgrass, the players' championship. Oh! Yeah, yeah. So we. So that's our 30th. We had a wine tasting back in March that had 1200 people at it. We have a Champions for Children dinner in New York in October that the Giants have been extremely supportive of just as the Jaguars are supporting us here in Jacksonville.

So we're busy with these things. The only thing I admit to in golf is I have clubs. That's it. All right. I play nine holes a week with Randy Edsel and Mike Malarkey, who names you all know in football. Yeah. So that's my golf. Yukon legend legend Randy Edsel let him know the West Virginia Mountaineer say hello and Does as well good luck on the 30th Golf tournament down there at TPC Sawgrass 1200 booze bags went to a wine tasting is that is that I heard on the stadium of the on the floor of the stadium

Yeah, right out there Jaguars hosted us. Yeah shot to the of the stadium. Yeah right out there Jaguars hosted us. Yeah shot to the Kahn family makes a magic happen out there the champions for children up there in New York with the Giants and Coach Kauflin, we apologize for calling you five minutes late, but you knew that was coming right? Yeah, I knew you'd be a little over remember straight, great line. I was two minutes early and three minutes late. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, legend Coach Coughlin. Yeah, coach. It's two minutes early, three minutes late.

That's good. What a time. Yeah, that's why we wanted to be very communicative with Tom Coughlin. Yeah. Hey, this might move. This might move a little bit here. Do not want to piss you off. That's like Bill Cower. Anytime we call him. Oh, yeah, you're supposed to call me 20 minutes ago. Yeah. So sorry. We didn't want that with Coach Kofflin. You know, Tregs gets rolling a little bit. The Rock gets rolling a little bit. You got to have a conversation. I love Tom Kofflin. That's the first time I've talked to him.

Oh, yeah. He's a he's a dog legend took multiple to Super Bowl champ for a reason knocked off obviously undefeated Bill you know twice in the big did you know Tom Coughlin though well I played for Randy Essel so he was a Coughlin disciple I believe he coached DB's for him when he was in Jacksonville so it was very a lot of things that Randy Essel did was very Tom Coughlin like so the five minutes early being on time, you know, clean shaving all the shit from Randy definitely came directly from time. So I was familiar with him without necessarily been familiar with him person. How about you AJ? You ever meet Tom Coughlin? I never met him. I had a lot of buddies that played for him. They played for I actually

we when I was the Bengals We practiced against the Giants for two days when he was there That was like it's a he runs like a professional operation that dude is like an old-school Professional ball coach like you better not no one's on the ground and it's gonna be a fast physical practice But hey Nobody's on the ground like all this all the little things that you heard of like back in the day like he continues all of Those things and he also I think also like progressed and and changed with the times as well when we heard that he was potentially wanting to come on the show

It's like tom kofflin once come on show I i'd never met him obviously i've heard stories about him and i've heard of the kofflin time and all that stuff you're talking like Folklore about him as a human. I guess he does know the show watches the show So that's a pretty crazy thing Bruce Brown We reminisce it on the glory days that entire conversation or what? Yeah, that was awesome I mean, he's a absolute legend in New York when he when he got there in oh four It was Eli's rookie year Obviously that that whole like trade fiasco with Philip Rivers at the top John Stadium like as a little kid

I was like scared for my life in there. Everyone's chanting Eli's name while Kurt Warner's out there. And he was just so patient and stuck to his guns, you know, O-line, D-line, running the fucking football. Maybe too much if you were up there in the upper deck as a little kid, they were going crazy. Thunder and lightning, brother. Jacob, both those guys.

Back then it was Tiki fumbling in three yards in the cloud of dust. Jeez. Bro, love Tiki. He talked about Philly and that D-line. That was a big part of that 41. Like having that NASCAR package. Yeah, with Tuck, Strahan and the boys just getting after Brady and letting the coverage do their thing in the back.

Ape Pierce on the second level with the backers. He was the architect of that for sure. Let the coverage do their thing in the back eight Pierce on the second level the backers like he was open your architect After sure we should ask them. We should ask them about That sack that strain got on Brett for oh, it's not a bad. I think one you Tom Coughlin probably afterwards I wasn't real then just walks on by went to Brett Mark. Yes, I'm still we don't know Mark Gassim is still... We don't know. Not bring it up. Yeah, allegedly. There it is. We are not jumping into that.

Still bringing it, allegedly? I guess there's a lot of... Yeah. There's no reason for us. What do you got there? Yeah, what do you... Today's sponsor is Seekik. Shout out to Seekik, the greatest ticket buying platform on planet Earth and... The Moon!

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unless you're going to big night out. Hey, Huluulu the behind the scenes thing available now I would recommend it highly because of how much work Fox you put into it and also it's good shit Foxy I think you did a great job with that thing piecing it together yeah you said I put a lot of work into I think the behind the scenes actually shows how much would you work you put into it the amount of phone calls the amount of bullshit the amount of stuff that had to be coordinated the producing

I mean, there's so I mean there's things that came up Certainly bullshit. Yeah, yeah It was a Necessary bullshit sure yes, you know that had to happen now There was people that just Inserted themselves for no reason at all because they have a certain title and sure had to make them feel good Even though they were nothing to the entire conversation, but that's life exactly

That's big night out. Mm-hmm available now on Hulu watch it I'm telling you it's worthy of a watch and I think afterwards you'll say oh I hope I get to go to one of those and maybe we will have another one But where mmm, that was like ten days ago feel it might as well have been three years ago. I think it's a little bit more than 10, but I mean. 13. Tomorrow, two weeks. Yeah.

It's crazy. I was thinking it was Monday the whole time. So today's Tuesday. Today is Tuesday. Yeah. Today's Tuesday. Yeah. On that note, we'll be off tomorrow getting Thursday night set up in Green Bay, traveling

up there. Obviously, you got a stage being built. Shout out to the ESPN people building that. Shout out to the NFL people. Mm-hmm. Yep. You know, coming together to go shake their hands. Shout out to everybody on the internet that called me a piece of shit for saying like,

no, I'm not doing all the song and dance. Even though you have no idea what I'm talking about, and everybody else that's ever had to do what I did said thank you for saying what you said. So a lot of you people that think I'm the worst human on earth, there's actually people that are like, man, fucking thank you for saying what you're saying. I know it's terrible for you.

I know your shins get pounded into oblivion, but know that the rest of us are watching on going. Good luck out there. I'm like, well, why don't you say anything public? No, no, no, no, no. Not a chance. It's the NFL, dude. That's you, brother.

That is you. So I'm happy we were able to get that done. I'm happy we were able to get there, because obviously the future of the NFL is going to be drafted on Thursday night. And us being able to have boots on the ground with the energy that it's going to be, with Coach McCarthyarthy back in green bay with peter schrager with all the inside sources with everything that's going to happen aj even returning the all-time lindy

tackler to green bay it is uh it's going to be a cool night so we're off tomorrow we'll see you thursday for the draft spectacular we're all going to go take a uh-huh I think that is that is what is about to happen WrestleMania is certainly spectacular WrestleMania in Vegas is a daunting task whenever you look at it from the beginning and now that we have you know eclipsed it and got to the other side there is quite an adrenaline dump of being on for 96 straight hours. Most important shit of all time's happening. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,

boom, get home at 4 a.m. Okay, now drafts in two days. We don't have a stage set up yet. Do you know where you're gonna do this? So there's been a lot, but we're incredibly pumped and lucky to do it all. And when we get to Green Bay, boy, it's gonna feel great to be alive.

Oh, hell yeah. Who's gonna fuck up on Thursday night? What team is gonna reach? The Jets. Yep. He took it from my mouth. How's everybody handling the Aaron Rodgers conversation? Once again that was five years. When was that? Aaron came out smelling like roses. I don know. I saw a lot of people saying a lot of things I saw a lot of things. I saw the GM talked about I'm not talking about that. I know what you're referring to. I were talking about current players Gems are allowed to do that. What's that? Just talk about the current players on the roster. Why what do you mean? Well, you know, there's certain GM down in Dallas basketball NBA Nico and he came out and you said I didn't realize people. Yeah, here he is actually funny. Thanks for bringing it up

Yeah, good question I did know that Luca was important to the to the fan base I didn't quite know it to the to what level okay But really the way we looked at it is you know, if is, you know, if you're putting a team on the floor that's Kyrie, Clay, PJ, Anthony Davis, and Lively, we feel that's a championship caliber team and we would have been winning at a high level and that would have quieted some of the outrage. A lot of injuries obviously and they were in the championship literally a year ago.

Let's say that part. In every... I mean, he had to know, buddy. some of the outrage. A lot of injuries obviously and they're in championship literally a year ago. Say that part. In every um. I mean he had to know buddy he had to know. What if he said I've I've got my blinders on when I walk into every building because uh I watched the Mavericks play here in Indiana when Luca was playing and uh that was a Luca Donchic home game. Yes. Here in Indiana and I assume that is in every arena let alone the Mavericks arena. Oh yeah. So Nikko just being so locked in on the process he doesn't even really get to experience the noise that's got to make you feel good as a Mavericks fan. No I think he every time he talks about it publicly with cameras in there he makes himself look worse I mean the second the ending of it was you

know when he talked about the team post-trade, just talk about that. You felt like that's champion team, championship team, if healthy, no reason to say, oh, I didn't know. Run the beginning of that again. I think he really leads it off and sets the tone properly for us to listen whenever he goes, that's good, that's good tone center.

Yeah, good question. I didn't know that. You know, I just set the tone. That's good. That's good tone center. Yeah good question I'll tell you what Nico Everybody said you're a good guy. Adam Silver said Nico is a good man. Yeah, Rich Paul. It's bossy. He's a good man. I Would like to believe that the basketball gods will make this guy pay for this. Now granted, that is not fair to the players that he mentioned who I am a fan of. Love Kyrie. Yeah. Yeah. Kyrie will stand right in front of a fan and say you're not blowing.

I like the way he goes about it. I don't agree with everything that Kyrie says or does, but I respect the shit out of the way Kyrie operates. AD? Come on. Dog. Absolutely operates. AD, come on. Dog. Dog. Absolutely dog. PJ, you're talking about the entire team.

I like the way they are, I like their players as humans. But I still can't get over the fact that, that guy rallied around a nutritionist and some other people and somehow made themselves believe that they were more important to the Mavericks than Luka fucking Donjic and for me as a former player it's going to be hard for me to ever get over the fact that this suit thinks he's more important than the actual guy that's doing the

work so for me I will be and I don't think I was ever considered a Luka fan but the way this is all rolled I'm like I need Luka to win one way before this Nico guy does. And I think it's good for the NBA. I think it's good for the NBA. Can't be good for Nico's life though. You know, like as soon as he gets out of that press conference, he goes, how's it go? And his PR guy goes, as soon as you went,

ah, it was kind of over from there. And Nico knows that none of us are gonna listen to him. His team's just gonna have to win. Like nothing he says at any of these press conferences. They need a three-peat. They need the next three championships, honestly, to get the heat off of him. Not happening.

You don't know? Yes, we do. We can do the whole like- They want a play-in game. They also need Luca to fall off, too. Yeah, they need Luca, because they're saying Luca's not a professional enough to remain healthy, then their entire team's hurt,

and then he's blaming it on health. It's like, well, that's why you got rid of Luca, because he's not healthy, but he's playing right now, and he was playing in the championship last year for you, so you're kind of talking out of both sides of your mouth here. He just needs that Mavericks team to play well. That is what Nico needs,

and I don't know how long he's going to have. Well, see, that's the thing, because the more I hear, the more I'm convinced that the governors of this team are just like sorry pal you know what you got to do okay go back in there and take all the bullets for no Adam Silver said I know he said that I choose to believe that Adam Silver is is wrong in that Adam Silver came on this program I know and he was great he was great he reiterated he did let me tell you he's a Dallas Mavericks are committed to Dallas they love Dallas right in the man sure you know we just

came from what yeah I swear I feel like I'm getting worked brother a little bit cuz I this guy wasn't he was like he's like a big-time executive at Nike how the hell does this guy put his foot in his mouth every single time he talks every single time he talks. We have dealt with a lot of big time businesses. We, well I know. People have had a lot of very very important positions. Not saying Nikko didn't you know whatever not saying Nikko wasn't a very successful executive with Nike but there are dip not saying Nikko. No there are. There are fucking idiots. Yes. At very very very very high powerful positions at companies that are very successful and very gigantic that you would never expect for fucking doofuses to be in.

And now, granted, I'm the guy literally wearing George right now. Okay, and I have said very dumb things and I've been a part of that. But I'll walk into a meeting, very important people thinking to myself, wow, what an honor it is to be in here. And I will leave the meeting going, wow, I don't know how America works. I don't know how that company is successful. That's gotta be the dumbest group of people I've ever seen.

And then we leave, we do not do a deal, guess what happens to that company? They just keep having success. Yeah, without a doubt. I have no idea, I have no fucking idea how. Somebody in there has to be doing something. No way it's the people that I talk to. Maybe it's AI doing it or whatever.

So just to assume because he was a high level executive somewhere at a successful company means that he's gonna be successful at things, I think from our own experiences would say that is not. I'm not even assuming success though. Like I would assume that at some point, like he had to have wowed him in the interview, you know Yeah, you would think but that I do believe that these governors are just like hey listen pal You know what? This was our decision. I get it. Everyone hated it

We knew they were going to but that's why we're paying you the big bucks go out there and fucking eat shit night in night out Yeah, and if you know if they if they don't win then yeah, he's gonna get fired It's over his head and he'll move on this is over his head Nico didn't found it out He's taking the bullets. He's gonna get ran over here probably fired, but you don't trade Luca without with owner with Get him out no way Nico can make that yeah So you no way so who put together the pitch deck to tell the governor brand-new governor that they should get rid of their Get him out. No way Nico can make that call. Yeah, but well, let's say you... No way.

So who put together the pitch deck to tell the governor, brand new governor, that they should give rid of their best fucking player? Might have been. Had to be Nico. Probably Polinka. You think the governor? You think the lady who owned this, who just bought this team is gonna let this GM come in and say, hey, we're gonna trade?

You think... this is... I don't know the lady governor. I don't know the lady governor. I don't know the lady governor. She seems like she's winning over everybody down here. She's in it with Niko as well. Welcome to the team now. Mark Cuban was front row every single one, won a championship, living and dying with him.

Bummed out. Sells the team now you got this lady. Hey, it's my team now. Also, you think she came to Niko? I was like, we gotta get rid of the fatso the guy that's really good I don't know why I'm just saying Nico can't make this call I don't think you make you think the lady governor yep brand new to the team comes in and goes I don't like the way that one looks he seems to be a little bit of a slob don't he you think she's the one that comes in and says Nico get rid of them. That's my theory

Maybe Much bigger basketball, but it's real estate casino because you're thinking about the casino you're thinking about the Browns Because the Browns are like Andrew Barry. Yep, Stefanski They seemingly have a job for the rest of their lives because ownership was like 230 million guaranteed The guy yeah, give it to him or Southercraft's gonna be shit don't care who's the owner who's working for who here thank you make the play that you're saying this has happened in the past I think so I find it hard to believe but I'll tell you what if she did do that good luck she's got good vision I guess defense wins championships right defense wins championship tonight first round

playoffs game two are happening around the NBA. Con Man, who do we have playing when and where? Yeah, we got Bucks Pacers on NBA TV at 7 o'clock. Which is absolute crap, because if Tyrese Halliburton is on national TV. A playoff game is on the NBA TV? Yes, and it's going to be impossible to fucking find. I can already tell.

And Tyrese Halliburton needs to be on primetime television He's a primetime player. He's good for the NBA whenever Tyrese is playing but nonetheless We'll take another dub with nobody watching outside of india games back to Think Shams announced. Yeah, nobody cares John Moran stone grenades and the MVP are playing His words and then grenades and the MVP are playing. It's not grenades, it's his words. And then Luca who we just talked about and basically the only team that we talked about the Lakers because they are at the Lakers and then the T Wolves with Ant-Man who also has a lot of stuff going on. It feels like those are kind of some of the faces

they're pushing. They don't care about Indiana or Milwaukee, but those are the three matchups we have tonight. All the higher seeds are up except for the Lakers. They need to win. Speaking of Minnesota and Ant-Man, he is being fined $50,000 for his, my dick is bigger than yours comment to the Los Angeles Lakers crowd on Saturday night. Sources tell Shams Sharanya, he's saying he's telling the truth. He's probably gonna appeal this.

I'll be excited to see how Adam Silver feels about it all. They say it's a big dick contest. Anthony Edwards went in there and says says I got the biggest one of them all the NBA said you can't be saying You know what they should do cracking down on all these rules And I know what you're gonna say tone, and I want to hear it Just Shams having report that though is one of the funniest things I've ever seen tweeted and once again That's why they got Ant-Man on primetime. Exactly he also mentioned in that comment you know I got 300 million dollars so the 50k I'm sure he's real bummed out about that. Anthony is quite a heel and I think he's a okay with that he's quite a ballplayer

cannot wait to watch those three games tonight. Back to the NFL quickly Jerry Jones was talking to the Fort Worth Star Telegram, I believe is the name and He teased that he's working on the two pretty Substantial draw traits at or before the draft. We're looking at two things that could happen before or after the draft Okay We're looking at a lot of things that could happen before and or after the draft Today and or tomorrow or the day after it could happen in this moment or moments that are happening in The future the fact that they could happen before after the draft suggested the targets are players on other teams Not draft maneuverings says Mike Floria. What are they? When could they happen? Will they be substantive?

substantive Substantive tip that's not right Substantive that's not right Substant substantive substantial No, you stop substantive you could Substantive thank you, Florio anti-schmidt in the usual sense or will he come up with a new definition for the term? Like he did with all in last year when he didn't do anything. Florio is always asking a question Yeah, two big two big trades come from the Cowboys. Nope. We're looking at two things that happened

before or after the draft. We're going to sign our draft picks. That's one of the things. For sure. Second thing is I'm going on a yacht to celebrate who we drafted. Those are two things happening after the draft. Could that happen before? Doubtful, but maybe I'm Jared Jones. That's all me. I was looking at a quote that said traits. I was like, yeah This is his actual quote. He's always moving. Oh, yeah, Jerry Jones is a wrestling promoter who happens to have a football team Jerry Jones also a high-level thespian Maybe he needs to just start focusing on that so we can start accruing Oscars Like this new movie that the Rocks doing out in Hawaii

You're telling me there isn't a Jerry Jones role available for sure says Somewhere yeah, they probably is still is from land One of them CEOs are coming in buying land mm-hmm. Yep, what do you use I? Man that yeah, Jerry Jones. Yeah Explore the space calm moves a bunch of times That's a great idea. That's a Jerry Jones and a Scorsese flick. Yeah about it. Oh God father Taking back his land. I love that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying But instead he's worrying about things that could happen before after next year, maybe next year's draft

It's all available for us right in front of us Jerry Jones football. He knows what he needs to do. Everyone knows what he needs to do now Just said it you just said it He needs to be in that movie and I need to see the dailies of him calling Dewey OOPS a thousand times So there's Leonardo DiCaprio. Yep, Emily Blunt. Yep, Dwayne the Rock Johnson Martin Scorsese what Jerry Jones exactly? You tell me and that's the bottom line because Jerry Jones Said so shots done cold stop

All right, we'll see you guys Thursday we're dying I just won't let you know that slowly in front of you all but we are enjoying it Yeah, don't love that going through did that to me at the end of WrestleMania weekend. That was bullshit. It's hard not to think about that. What did you think when you woke up? Hurricane Shane Helms was staying above me. And I thought to myself, this is not good right now.

That's very similar to how did I end up here? Just kind of looking down at the ground, coughing up blood, spitting some things. There's a big Austrian man that was rolled off of me. Yeah, I mean there was There's a lot of things running through my head mostly is what the and then I see D bones head Where the boys are here with those nightmare? No chaos. It was chaos. It was okay. I'm truly controversy, too What are they gonna do? Lots of tops? Yeah, I did Great hat to see grabbed before me

So we're Vegas Charges the game. Yeah, exactly. It's worth it. Hey good throw. I hope you're fine and or suspended actually That's not how I roll. I just hope the worst things upon you. Take him off the tour I hope you have diarrhea for the rest of your fucking life. Ooh. That's tough. That is tough. And stop messing with Cole, dude. You're Gunther. Yeah. What a badass.

Wow. Smack around a Syracuse grad. Yeah, exactly. Maybe he's just a thousand years old. Cole calls him Gunther all the time. Yeah, Cole was supposed to be this professional journalist and everything. He refuses to say Gunther.

And then he calls him just the Ring General. It's like, that's not his name. a ring general. It's like that's not his name And they row is the ring So I get why he came at Cole, but you didn't deserve what you got well I think once you know I thought we were good though I thought we had a mutual respect after I push him off my guy. It's been on the show you do your thing I'll do my thing and then instead Some snaps in his little dumb Austrian brain.

I need a cheap shot this guy choking him out to death. Okay, let's wrestle mania weekend, dude. Yeah. Grow up. Grow up. Let's get out of here. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice that might change their life. We're gonna sing together.

We'll see you from Green Bay with Coach McCarthy, Peter Schrager, and all the new draft picks. We're gonna sing together. Team on me. team on three. One, two, three, team. Goodbye.