The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1331 - NFL Draft Overreaction Monday With Ian Rapoport, Quentin Richardson, Paul Bissonnette, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

On today’s show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat recap an incredible draft weekend from Green Bay, chat more about Shedeur Sanders’ fall into the 5th round, plus check in on both the NBA Playoffs, and the NHL Playoffs. Joining the show to chat more about the draft, as well as the latest update on Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers is NFL Network Senior Insider, Ian Rapoport. Next, 13 year NBA veteran, 2005 3-point contest champion, 18th overall pick of the 2000 draft, and ESPN NBA analyst, Quentin Richardson joins the show to discuss the NBA playoffs, if the Lakers are done, the Pacers looking incredible, Steph Curry’s brilliance, and who he thinks is ultimately going to win the title. Later, 6 year NHL veteran, analyst for the NHL on TNT, and co-host of the Spittin’ Chiclets podcast, Paul “BizNasty” Bissonnette joins the show to chat about the NHL Playoffs and who he likes to win the Stanley Cup as well as the Pittsburgh Penguins firing of Head Coach Mike Sullivan and what that means going forward. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode the Thunderdome on this draft over reaction Monday April 28th 2025 this program starts now Spore are happening all around us. It's already April 28th, right? Yeah, I check like three different times there on the date bug What a fantastic time to be alive because obviously two hundred and fifty seven dreams came true this past weekend as the NFL Wrapped up its draft from beautiful Green Bay, Wisconsin We had a chance to be out there for night one of the draft and then day two of the draft It was a spectacular host the hospitality was through the roof and it felt like the fans showed up all weekend long

What a spectacle the draft has become and 257 more names have been called in hopes of becoming Hall of Famers there's also undrafted free agents that were getting signed after the draft ended and You know did any of these organizations change their team forever? Did anybody draft a pillar player? Maybe a 199? Maybe Mr. Irrelevant. Maybe a top five pick. Maybe a fifth round quarterback Could be. Did anybody draft the one that's going to project them and trajectory them all the way to the Super Bowl for the next 10-20 years? We shall see. Draft grades are always awesome, especially the day after a draft ends, because this is how we feel they did against what we thought these guys would be. Yeah, we thought

a couple guys were first rounders and they fell to the fifth, sixth, seventh round, but what we thought these guys would be. Yeah, we thought a couple guys were first rounders and they fell to the fifth, sixth, seventh round, but what we know is better than what the on-field play will actually say. I don't think you can ever judge a draft until two, three years down the road. We will continue to treat life that way, but we will talk about some of the splashes that some of the teams made,

and also the narratives and directions that some teams went. It's like Atlanta really thought their defense was crop. Buffalo Bills, same exact thing. You can tell for some teams, when they did their self analysis, we need to fix this. If you're a fan of a team that did that, congrats to you, I think you're only up and up.

Now remember, there can only be one Lombardi winner and 31 losers, but during this draft time, everybody can win if you look at it the right way. Like the Indianapolis Colts won the Super Bowl this past weekend. I'm excited that you guys got to watch that but they're not the only team that feels that way let's go to the toxic table at Boston Connor at Ty Schmidt. Ty Schmidt how did Green Bay do over the weekend? I think they did great again you know the Packers are one of those

teams anytime you're drafting in the back half like where they are I don't think anything's gonna really push you over the edge but it is interesting you mentioned about like what the the fans think the team needs as opposed to like what the actual team thinks. They everyone was saying leading up to the draft, like, hey, we don't know what's going on with Jair Alexander. They really need help in the secondary. They draft one corner back in the seventh round. So it's like, you know, obviously they're OK with the guys they have,

but obviously getting a guy like Matthew Golden, they drafted another wide receiver, Savion Williams in the third round the third round so overall yeah I'm very happy with what Packers did. Now at Boston Connors you guys went to Super Bowl this weekend with Vrabel and Elliot Wolf calling some shots? Yeah I don't know if you're familiar with the Hall of Fame Pat but basically every single player that was wearing a Patriots hat after they got drafted is going there. Essentially personally I think a lot of people from New England said, okay look they all clearly think Vrabel's the guy.

Tackle, run him back, wide receiver, center. I mean that is, hey Drake May is our future, let's support him as best we can. Travion Henderson, he knows sign language so he's a high character guy who's also smart. He is a character guy, you know, he's doing the he's doing the high I love you shit happen exactly Just loves you when he scored touchdown against Tennessee. Oh, yeah Yeah, he was awesome. He was incredible. Will Campbell everything that came out about him, you know I'm a fight-and-die to protect to protect May and exactly what you want to hear and then you know, how about this, how about a kicker and a long snapper? You know, let's not act like football. Football just, you know, offense and defense is a three-phase sport and New

England knocked it out of the park. First kicker off the board, Andres Borreales. I watched him kick at the combine. Live leg, live, live leg. Now he went to Miami, his brother went to Miami. So that name has been synonymous with kicking in Miami for like the last five years or whatever. He's got some sweet tattoos, a lot of moxie, which I think is a good thing, not a bad thing. The only difference is you're gonna be in Foxborough now. And I think he has a strong enough leg,

he'll be able to sort it out. But I like to pick a lot. Also, Loop out of Arizona got drafted to Baltimore Ravens. What does that mean for the future of the Baltimore Ravens and in a punter from Florida guy with a great mustache he got drafted as well whoa I'm sorry dude guy murders balls Campbell maybe oh crush all crush all crush all murderous footballs okay I saw him at the combine the only thing with the guys at the combine

where like not a lot of them were as comfortable catching the ball, he was pretty comfortable catching the ball and he was slaughtering balls. Now he's up a mile high too. I'm excited to watch him do his thing. Let's go to one half of the hammer. Cowboys AP tone.

Pittsburgh Steelers had a big time draft. Didn't draft quarterback though. What's going on over there? Or did the? Oh Oh they got the guy! They got the one! They got a national champion in the sixth round of the NFL draft. Will Howard becomes Pittsburgh Steeler alongside Jack Sawyer. A couple national champions go to UPMC. Yeah this was what we like to call a dog draft for the Pittsburgh Steelers. It was all dogs You know, you started with Derek Harman Caleb Johnson ran for I don't know

2,700 yards it and I would felt like oh and then you get two national champions and Jack Sawyer and Will Howard Oh and Mark Brunner son ever heard of that guy, huh? Why a black six six three forty in the middle Yeah, this was a the Ravens ran for 700 yards on us in the in the in the playoff situation So we're gonna make sure that never happens again. Yeah, why why a yeah, yeah No, yeah said why yeah, I was gonna say I've been calling him. Yaha for the last four years That's why I was in the situations currently Well, that's sending you know 90 plus guys in the league most that more than any other you know active Coaching college football. That's what Kirk does so I was doing okay

Why a black is a great name and gonna be a great Pittsburgh Steeler got a lot of me He's big dude big dude down there with cam Heyward I was yeah, I was very very pumped about this draft last year was O lineman for the Steelers this year's a lot of D lineman we're stopping the run But overall it felt like so like a lot of times the draft comes in then Monday Everyone's doing the Monday morning quarterback on the draft saying like this team's draft sucked I didn't hear any of that really this this morning or this weekend Sunday or whatever It was a lot. There was a lot of positivity

Well besides one thing there was a lot of positivity coming out of the draft on far as like as far as people got in grades And stuff like that if it did felt feel like that more. Yes one team Maybe you say in Cleveland that was the only team that I saw a lot of people saying what the hell's but did you also See the tweet that were like, oh if this if they just switched their draft order around everyone would have been like, oh Yeah, one of the best see that best fast They could have had two running backs and quinch on and Dylan Sampson who we both loved two quarterbacks you know Mason Graham Carson Sweshener out of UCLA's a dog but no I like I like the Browns draft so honestly I thought everyone liked everyone's draft pretty much me too I the only thing the Browns draft

conversation was they were the ones that selected Shador yeah and they didn't look excited no I didn't that was the conversation I think they were all excited out look how many picks they had so many picks on right now They've lost all their their juice. That was their last choice, but should door Sanders gets drafted in fifth round Two rounds after Dylan Gabriel out of Oregon got drafted to the Cleveland Browns Fascinating dynamics obviously we've seen teams draft two quarterbacks in the same draft Especially if they're a team that needs quarterback they got Joe Flacco manning that for it over there right now and not that Joe Flacco didn't have success with the Cleveland Browns just two years ago but I saw the Miz he pulled out an

initial reaction whenever they traded out of two because he wanted Travis Hunter he wanted the dynamic duo they go to five there was a picture of him on the air on on plane like losing his mind which a lot of Browns fans probably were like we have number two overall pick let's do something sweet. Let's do something exciting, especially after how Gladstone described why he picked Travis Hunter, which was like, this is a statement to everybody that we're going to try to test the boundaries of football and we're

going to try to be best. That's what the Browns fans potentially wanted. Then I saw the Miz give a take afterwards. He's like, I don't mind what we end up doing Mason Graham number five. Okay, we got a D line. We got a great deal on Miles Garrett already get a get a little interior pressure. See if this guy can work We'll do that. He's from cold area. He understands what it's gonna be like in Cleveland your load up on Quinch on Jenkins I think he's unbelievable. Yeah, I think he's an Unbelievable Harold fan and juniors a guy that I think could play Dylan Sampson's a guy that I think could play I mean when Carson schweizinger should know more about him, that's on me, probably could play. Second round pick, could have been a

first round pick, first pick of the second round. So it's like I look at them I think they did well as well. And to your point, I legitimately as we're sitting through that first round and then as I was watching through the weekend it was like oh I could see them doing that. Yeah. And I think it's because there's more good players in the drafts. I think NIL now is creating a situation where there's a lot better players now throughout the draft. Going into the draft we heard some draft experts say you know from like 10 to 85 is the same and then this is a big third fourth round draft and it's like I think the reason why they're saying that is

because we knew the names that were still available in the third and fourth round. All weekend best available I knew we knew them it wasn't like people We had never heard of before and I think that that's NIL transfer portal based I think that's how it's gonna be going forward one person. I am bummed out about Quinn yours Yeah, Quinn yours could have transferred Yeah, when yours could have played somewhere else Quinn yours could have taken three four million dollars to play college ball somewhere else up his draft stock potentially. Instead, he ends up being what a seventh round pick or whatever the case is for the Miami Dolphins. And it's like he's coming from his hunting lodge. And I think Maziano saw a hunting cabin for the first time in his life.

He caught it awful on a thing. That's a lot of work back there. So yeah, that's a lot of work back there. That was a bedroom. And I'll tell you what, law racks, law racks. I think those are international racks back there too. I think there's a lot of traveling, a lot of investment that is taking place in there. And I think if you ask a couple of Rednecks,

they say, that's a nice collection down there for that boy. I think there was probably some NFL fans that thought to themselves, you see what Quinn got in the barn? We need to get him spinning it for us, don't you think? Now, with that being said, he drops all the way down to the Dolphins very late. That was an interesting story, especially with the NIL

transfer portal availability for him. Cam Ward goes from a zero star, coming out of high school, triple option, triple option I read, offense. So, didn't even really get a chance. Incarnate Ward does his thing, then he goes to Washington State, does his thing, transfers to Miami, four million and a half, two million, whatever it ended up being, transfers that school back four million and a half, two million, whatever it ended up being,

transfers that school back to what it used to be as a dominant force, and then showcases himself to not only potentially be a Heisman and all that, but ends up being the number one overall pick from zero stars to the number one overall pick, all betting on yourself, believing in yourself, and never changing. There's a video, obviously, that has come out of him

and Shador Sanders talking, and Shador said, hey, we should make a song together, or whatever he go I don't make I don't make songs He said I am a football player when they when people search cam ward I want to say American football that is all I want Tennessee got a great one down there with an amazing story an American dream I think that is what the draft is all about like lives changing forever some great Some good, but if you get in the building, you got a chance. Nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler is here. D-Butch, your big takeaway from draft weekend and your thoughts on the draft as a whole.

Draft weekend was great. It always is. Like you mentioned, 257 guys realizing their dream and almost nobody goes as high as they think they should have gone outside of, obviously the first pick. And then Travis Hunter, big splash move by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Didn't talk enough about Ken Ward, I don't think, obviously, because of the Chador. And he probably was the most polarizing prospect coming into it.

But yeah, Tennessee Titans, you got a division where you got a bunch of young quarterbacks. We still got a lot of shit to figure out here in Indy. Jacksonville is still really figuring out their situation I think even though they paid Trevor Lawrence So this could be a potentially franchise change and move a draft and can work you mentioned all of the intangibles You know, we see what he could do on the football field But those videos which should do or those training videos that that's kind of been an ongoing thing

Last couple offseason them training together. You see a lot about you know, just who he is and obviously we know who he is as a football player so I hope that story continues to go on but I mean like you said at this time of year these draft picks happen we're pretty optimistic about all of these picks and the teams making their decision they've done their due diligence I like what the Bears did in this draft you know getting get Loveland getting Luther Burton the third who coming into the if you had like the way too early draft. This was like a top 10 type talent We know what Loveland is well So you getting you continue to build those pieces around Caleb Williams last year's number one pick

So I'm excited about their pick and then out of Ravens I think the Ravens got some really good players as well Malachi starts getting into that into that secondary Mike green who has some as well, Malachi starts getting into that secondary. Mike Green, who has some off-field things, that's the reason why he dropped, but he led the nation in sacks. So just a great, great all-around weekend, man. Draft is always excited for every franchise. Excited for everybody and what the teams did.

And obviously the big story was Shadour. Obviously him dropping to the fifth round. I don't think anybody expected that. I think we all can agree that it's not on field, it's some off the field things and it's always the same, we say in football, you know, act how you can afford to act and the NFL is always in that position, I think as a whole where when they can show you who has the power, who has the control, they do. And it's another moment for him to figure out, I loved what I saw from the family, specifically Shiloh, his big brother.

You know, he did a lot of things to kind of continue to support him. He still had the excitement when he went fifth round. Still went out and celebrated, I loved that. And you just gotta respond. I think Shador has always responded. He will continue to respond. But yeah, this was an exciting overall draft weekend.

Yeah, be who you can afford to be. And you know, if any of the anonymous stories are true, which once again, we hate anonymous stories. Don't like them. Feels like they happen and they're gonna continue to happen no matter how much you say we don't like them, they're gonna continue to happen. People that hate them gonna continue to use them.

A lot of anonymous sources coming out about this, meetings that they have with Shador Sanders, and a lot of the anonymous sources from the meetings are saying worst meeting of all time Not even close not not even like worst meeting of all time now granted all these could be a little bit dramatized because of personal Feelings towards you know either coach prime or Shador or whatever but it felt like there was numerous of those coming out from different places and It's like was that all coordinated or was that all everybody's experience, you know And was there a chance you said act, you know that be who you could afford to be

I do wonder if there was a lot of NFL teams that were like nope That's not how this is gonna go if you were Peyton man If you were Andrew Luck if you were cam ward, possibly, but the talent we've seen from you is certainly NFL capable, but you haven't won. I mean, you haven't won anything. Obviously, you've played very good. So I do wonder if that was the big turnoff, if it was the meetings.

And I was not in a meeting, so I couldn't tell you what those meetings would look like. I have seen day balls meetings with quarterbacks from the past, and I'll tell you, you could see how that would be a little bit. This is what a day ball meeting with quarterbacks from the past. And I'll tell you, you could see how that would be a little bit. This is what a day ball meeting with a quarterback is like in the draft process for the New York Giants

who were potentially gonna draft Shador Sanders. And then there was an alleged report. Once again, all these things have allegedly been fake, but how they get out to begin with. Shador allegedly did not do well in a day ball meeting which goes like this. Draw me up your favorite pass play. I don't care what personnel, as detailed as you can be. Got you. And we are all true freshman quarterbacks in your quarterback room and you are teaching it to us. This was a big staple in our offense. Okay. Just based off the

athletes that we had. Was that neighbors? Yeah. Do you have a favorite route to throw in this one? Yeah. This one? That one? Sure.

Why do you like that one? I love when teams try to go man and try to match us up. Hell yeah. Gun that son of a bitch. Empty play, huh? Uh, starts in empty. Okay, now you're homing it. Yes sir.

All right. He ain't in that home in it. JJ, so was this signaled to you or did you call it in a huddle? Huddle. I'd change that shit and give you one simple word. That's what I'm saying. Oh, no, how did you get that on? That was great. That was right there. Yeah, Coach Harbaugh loved it that way.

Hey, J, erase that Z, make him the F. Erase the X and make him the Z. Erase the W, make him the X. Erase the T and make him the F. Race the X and make them the Z. Race the W make them the X. Race the T and make them the H. Ready? Yep. Gun Trolley right 64 house X in. Give it back to me. Nope don't look at it. Oh you want me to give it back to me how we call it? The whole play? Yeah. Gun Trolley right house F in. Okay X in. X in. That's okay and then if it cover one, what do we want you to do? Probably. Dotto zone. Alright, I like that answer. Gun dolphin right. Gun dolphin right 72 tundra float H-angle. Gun dolphin right 72 tundra float H-angle. Yeah, so tundra stands for what? 200s. 200s. And what does float stand for? It's got the corner of the out.

We call it a flag so we end up saying corner flag but it's a flag. And the angle is an angle. You got me on that? Then you use Rita to the right, Linda to the left. It was a flip formation. Good? Rita to the right, Linda to the left. 72, 5 man protection, slide to the wheel. So if the strength of the formation is right, what formation is that again? Yeah, good north and right. Right, he's there, the wheel's over there, the line would slide there. We'd say 72 Rita. 72 Rita, gotcha. So let's say this before you go to the next one.

You have one play that you can run, pass play, and you have to run that play anytime you want to run a pass in a game. So if there's 70 plays in a game and there's 45 passes, you have to run this one play every time. You got it in your head? You know the play you want? Yeah, let's do it.

Draw it up. So, I mean, you can see how some of these meetings might be pretty... That's a lot. That's hardcore. That's just Dayball's meetings. So whenever you get it, me too. Like, I was watching that. I was getting more nervous for the guys.

As he was reciting words off, and I think I have a pretty good memory, I'm like, Gun, X, N, I think, I think down to the end and then the tundra, two under, and then the slope, slant, go, or whatever. It's like, they gotta start to try to piece together why the terminology is what it is for the coach in that meeting at the time. And they're analyzing all of that. So that's just one portion of the meeting.

And we're not saying Chedora didn't do well in that meeting or that portion of the meeting. We're just saying these meetings are pretty, I mean, it's a pretty real deal. Yeah, strenuous. This is a multimillion dollar interview. And I think the difference is the quarterback position is so, so like unique. If Shador had head allegedly, this is anonymous, headphones on in the meetings could whatever just all the shit that they were saying could be going on in the meetings where they were bad individual meetings if he was a wide receiver or a DB or even a running back and he was the guy I think there'd be a

chance like oh I like the way this guy this guy just has that like fuck it mindset like we like that at the quarterback position though it is held in such higher regard and I'm not saying that it is only the quarterback that wins games but if you don't have a great quarterback, your franchise is gonna go into the dumps. Like that is literally what it is. So whenever they're trying to figure out who is gonna be their person,

who's gonna be the face of the franchise, who's gonna be their pillar, you could see how if it was bad talking or bad anything else, how some people could get a little scared. Now, we weren't in there. We were just going off what anonymous sources were and like I said in the open though none of this matters. No. You get in a building and you're a

dog and you get along with people and you're a good leader boom your next contract is gonna be much bigger than this contract anyways. That's just like I think the reality of the situation. Yeah it's obviously how you respond in those meetings I've been in those meetings obviously from the defensive standpoint and a level of it is intimidating and the people doing the meetings they don't expect you to get everything right but they're just seeing how you react, how you respond, how you learn you know because everybody kind of learns differently you're kind of you know learning to speak a different language a quick crash course so I don't know how but it couldn't have have gone

that that terrible if because they had that late Meeting with Shador again the Giants did specifically kind of right before the draft and I spoke to someone Close to the Giants organization. They were saying it's just kind of get him no knowing better as a person, right? So maybe he rubbed people the wrong way as a person once again. Yeah, if you are I can't be like people the wrong way as a person. Once again, if you are... This guy can't be like this. Let's go, we'll fly out there. You know what I mean? And that's what you do. That's what different organizations deal with. And these people talk. You know, all these people talk. It's a fraternity when you come to coaches and decision makers amongst the business. And I think, you know, young people, you know, don't know that as much, aren't familiar with how close the business is.

Everybody kind of, you know, wives, children, everybody's kind of connected. We move around, so we were with Coach Mike over the week and he talked about all the different places. I had no idea, he was associated with the 49ers when they were considering taking Alex Smith or the first round pick, so first overall pick. So it's just so many different things and all of it matters.

When you are a prospect coming out, people tell you, agent, obviously in this situation, your dad, your your family everything matters You know all the people you matter all the people along the way and I've heard nothing but good things about your door But you know, I'm not a decision-maker So um, it's just go fish door a lot of really really really good football players went Lower than expected this draft will Johnson is a guy corner out of Michigan who we thought would be a top 10 top 15 top 20 pick he went 47 overall to the Cardinals Kobe Bryant going out of Kansas I don't think

he got drafted so it just happens every draft but like you said it doesn't matter how you get into the building is how you respond to what you do once you get in there that's picked 222 oh yeah okay I'm gonna let you know I thought I should have been 220 21 sure that was the early projections. Drove you. Yeah, it did. You get in that building, it does not matter, legitimately. Like there's a six, there was some linebacker that got drafted I think in the sixth round,

and they were talking about what he can do on defense. I'm like, he ain't playing defense, brother. You need to talk about whether or not this guy can play special teams. And if he can play special teams, he's gonna make the team. And if he can't play special teams, he's not gonna make the team.

It's as easy as that whenever you're looking at it, and anybody can buy in. Shador is not gonna be the starter, right? Well, maybe, maybe. Russell Wilson was drafted third round after they paid Matt Flynn in Seattle, and they just paid Matt Flynn, and everybody thought Matt Flynn

was gonna be the quarterback. They draft Russell Wilson in the third round. That's not really like an automatic projection into a starting position or whatever. And then reports are coming out like, hey, Russell Wilson's becoming the guy out here. And then all of a sudden, he's the starter over them just paying a guy.

So maybe Shador is able to become the starter. Let's assume that that is not the case in reality for any fifth round, fourth round, third round, second round even, quarterback that gets drafted. But if he gets in there and just does his shit, I mean it's gonna work. I mean that is literally how the NFL works, you would hope. Still a meritocracy. If you go in there work your ass off. This is for not just Shador, this is for everybody that got drafted late. What's that? Rodrigo a couple years ago with Kelvin Shepard, Hard Knocks. Yes. I want to give him. I want to put him a hard knock.

I want to put him in here. Don't make me put him in for a fifth, sixth round pick, whatever he wants. Sixth round pick. So that's kind of how it is. Because from the top, the investment is made on certain guys with the money or the draft slot. And they want to look right.

If you draft a guy third round, that's the guy that's going to have the leg up first round, whatever. So if you're our fifth round, it is a uphill battle. But it can definitely be done. Because ultimately, teams want to win. That's what guy that's kind of gonna have the leg up first round whatever So if you are fifth round it is a uphill battle But it can definitely be done because ultimately teams want to win That's what matters the most well and even just looking at the Browns like he's probably gonna have a chance to play at some point Maybe he doesn't start but next year. We're gonna see him playing a lot of injuries always at the Cleveland Yeah, and that's something is that the weather you think the field well joining us now ladies the gentleman is a man who might have the answer senior NFL insider for NFL Network front of now, ladies and gentlemen, is the man who might have the answer. Senior NFL insider for NFL Network,

front of the program, ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rapaport. Thank you very much. Rapshee, what up, dude? Hey, obviously we're discussing, because we're on ESPN, we're discussing Shador Sanders falling to the fifth round. It's true, not a lot of networks are addressing that, so. Yeah, nobody else is talking about it.

Agreed. So, he falls, but he's not the only one. There was a lot of networks are addressing that so yeah, nobody else is talking about it the agreed So he falls, but he's not the only one there was a lot of big names I think late in this draft do we think that's because transfer portal And I L the way college football currently is is this what the future looks like where a lot of the big names and kind Of the older players and almost a plethora of players in the draft No, I don't think so, but I mean this shouldador thing is like, yes, there were some players who fell. There were some players who, like, you know, D-But mentioned Will Johnson. I mean, that's a pretty good example of a guy who is super talented and just based on

the way he plays should absolutely have been like a middle first round pick. The knee injury, you know, which has the potential to significantly limit his career, that played a part. Now, it doesn't have to. Miles Jack had a similar thing and he played seven years, which is a great career. Everyone would be happy with a seven-year career, but teams didn't feel like they could take the risk until the second round and that's why he fell. The Chaudure thing is different.

Like I have a lot of conversations leading up to the draft. I talk to every team. I get a lot of intel. I feel like I prepare myself for every freaking thing that could possibly happen. That is what I do for the month before the draft. I spend the entire time on the phone. And it never crossed my mind that Shador Sanders could be a fifth round pick.

It was not in the realm of possibility. So like to me, ball time draft stories, like this is one of them. Yeah. I think so. Fifth round is crazy drop. Crazy. I wonder when the decisions were made by the teams

who were looking to draft a quarterback I wonder if some teams weren't thinking about drafting in quarterback until like fourth fifth round So they're automatically ruled out as opposed to you know, because they'll say 32 teams passed on them However many times it's like how many how many teams are actually thinking about taking a quarterback at all in the first three rounds They probably had a plan of differently but there certainly were teams That took quarterbacks in those rounds that decided not to take. Shador, when did that come about? And all these anonymous reports we're hearing about the meetings with teams, is that, how much has that been chatted about since the draft ended?

I mean, it was chatted about a lot before the drafts and you know before the draft ended while it was still going on like Meetings weren't great Yeah, that was like what a day before the draft started those those started coming out, right? Wasn't that kind of yeah and you know and the reason a lot of that happens is because you know The same reason why big news gets reported on you know game day morning or other pregame shows is cuz like that's when you Sometimes you sort of save your best Most thorough detailed reporting for right before the event So like, you know Tom Palacero comes out with the with the article with

12,000 he was sitting on that he was sitting on that for a week Well, but but yeah, but but a lot, you know all those conversations like I had several of those conversations with teams about like Alright, how was the meeting? All those conversations, I had several of those conversations with teams about, all right, how was the meeting? Wasn't great. All right, why? And it's like, well, it just didn't come off great. And I'm like, all right, what does that mean?

Probably nothing. It's like I spent a lot of time trying to figure, I'm not just talking about Shadoor. This happens with a lot of different prospects and a lot of different things. These guys are picked apart never before or since ever. Only the draft are these things picked apart to this level. It's very challenging. It sucks in a lot of ways, but teams are making multi-million dollar investments, so it's on them to find out everything you can.

All the things that were discussed publicly in Tom's article in other places Or all the stuff that were being discussed privately as well and like one thing about sure that I keep coming back to is like, you know, Deon is Awesome great player great dude was a very excellent colleague worked with him for a long time and every interaction with him has been great And honestly all my interactions with Shador, of which there have been several, have been really good. Me too.

I like to say that. I told you guys, when we FaceTimed, he spent plenty of time talking to my kids on FaceTime. Seems like an awesome guy. The advice he got, I don't think was good. Yeah, I wonder if he thought it was confidence he was showing, you know? That's why I wish that report would came come out a little earlier, you know.

So then maybe we can correct course a little bit and maybe there's a chance of call and say, hey, I did not mean to come across that way. But instead we're sitting on stories. We're sitting on stories. I didn't know this is what you journalists do. It's unbelievable. So maybe this is a great learning lesson too for this entire process. And once again again in building

Anything can happen as long as you're in there not as easy as a fifth rounder as it is a first rounder But once you're in the building you have a chance D. But has a question for you rap Yeah, usually we get a lot of stories I know you guys probably sit on these stories, but uh Monday after the draft any trades that almost happened And especially in the first round that didn't necessarily go through. Yeah, well, I mean, one of them, we talked about the Jihad Campbell trade to the Eagles while the Chargers were on the clock. You guys heard this story, right, I assume?

No. No, I didn't hear this one. Okay, so, you guys were busy during the draft, that's right. Thank you. Okay, so, um, you guys were busy during the draft, that's right. Um, so, the Eagles, I didn't watch, I was also busy, but I hear great things about it. To be clear, I think this was our best one. Now, didn't have all the shenanigans, but I think as a draft show, I think it was a good draft show. I think we did a good draft show. I think so too.

Coach McCarthy was awesome. Schrags is the draft guy. We crushed like he is actually the draft guy. So I watched it back. I thought it was good. Boys in the back handled it, crushed it, lower thirds. You watched it back like film study? Yeah, yeah. I watched. Oh, I mean, I do the same with my stuff. Obviously, I'm just, I was just wondering. See, that's the thing. You work for, like, there's a difference in the entirety of it all, how we view things, but nonetheless. What was the question? Oh, yes.

Right. Jahad Campbell. So, Jahad Campbell. So, I think, I'm almost positive that the deal is done between the Eagles and the Chargers at 22 to get Jahad Campbell, which was the guy, I knew there was someone the Eagles were targeting that they would move up for. I wasn't a hundred percent sure. I wondered if it was gonna be James Pierce and I don't think it was. I just I couldn't figure out who it was, honestly. Then I hear Jihad Campbell is gonna go to the Eagles and then

he thinks it's done and I think is about to come out and they had to be like, no, there's no trade. The Chargers just decided to pick. And that was Amarion Hampton, right? Yes. And then the trade was off and I'm like, so at that point, like I'm like, all right, well that trade didn't happen. Then I hear the Eagles are still calling. So I like, I'm like tweeting and saying on TV, like the Eagles are still calling up trying

to trade, trying to trade trying to trade and they ended up trading only one spot yeah to think the guy they would have taken like nine picks earlier so they ended up saving draft picks and he ended up getting less money which sucks but worked out well for the Eagles to get to get the same guy that they wanted they thought the Chiefs were gonna take them or whatever I think it was they thought someone else was gonna trade into that spot to take him got it You know I mean another second gotta do that again. We've come this far and like yeah, we've waited this long Yeah, okay, right. The other one was I had heard that the 49ers called up a couple spots to hold on

So that's not the full draft fix. Yeah, actually, I think maybe the I think the 49ers called up at seven and eight. And I assume that was to try to get a tackle. But it also might have been to try to get Mikel Williams who they ended up getting. as the draft continued to happen, you know? And we talked to John Schneider, he said the phones weren't as active as he had thought they were gonna be. And then we heard reports that the phones were super active at different times. Was it just a couple of teams that were active or was it a lot of people?

Yeah, well, so it's always really interesting. So before the draft, I'm starting to hear that a couple of teams are really, really active of trying to trade up. And so the teams I heard the Texans were and I heard the Broncos were. And no one's ever going to tell you who they're trying to trade up for because obviously they don't want someone else taking them. So the only thing I can tell is when the calls stop.

If you're trying to trade up for someone and then all of a sudden the calls stop, it's like, all right, well, you were probably trying to trade up for someone and then all of a sudden to call stop. It's like art Well, you were probably trying to trade up for that guy the Bears try to take the Bears take Colson Lovell in at 10 and A bunch of calls stopped and I was like wow Like he was maybe the guy and I don't know specifically those teams are trying to trade up for him because I think there were some others like up for him because I think there were some others like Booker people like Lovelland was the belle of the ball! But like and like I didn't know this we all thought Tyler Warren was the dude but it seems

like Loveland was kind of... He is. Well I mean obviously. You know what I'm saying right? Yeah I do know what you're saying. Yes I completely understand with what you're saying about Loveland and we obviously chit chatted about him being the first tight end off the board and then you're over here saying yeah I have everybody's phones tapped they were very active and then soon as this guy's no longer available everybody stops

Well, that means product that was wanting to be acquired is no longer able to be acquired seemingly congrats a Loveland What a dog Wow, hey, you're a bell of a ball, bub You were a bell of a ball not as much as Cam Ward who was a zero star High-school recruit all the way to a number one overall pick unbelievable story and then travis hunter obviously Uh gonna change jacksonville. Do we have uh old gladstones quote About travis hunter and why the pick was made go ahead Yeah, you know, uh as we sit here Travis hunter is a jacksonville jaguar and really what comes to mind for me, right,

thinking about the sport of football and really the power of the game itself, right, its capacity to ignite belief, right, belief in ourselves, belief in others, right, belief in achieving what many may deem impossible. Travis Hunter, he embodies belief. OK. He's a rare person.

He's a rare player. But he's also a reminder that the boundaries of the game of football were built to be challenged. And so the decision to select him was actually a statement a statement for how we plan to move who we are and we want him to Be nothing more than him Because when he is he elevates the space around on the football field to the city to the game of football itself

Travis Hunter is who we've been hunting up. Couldn't be more jacked to be sitting right here beside him and introduce you all to the man of the hour. What a promo. What a promo from old Gladstone there. How are we doing? I thought we were supposed to clap. I'll tell you what, it feels like it was pretty obvious

they were going to make that move all along. Gladstone didn't think of that in just one night. No that promo right there has been a That's been a couple month or there the way he was preparing the speech Yes I think he was preparing a speech for a couple months in personally because he said the way he lifts his space the whole space He was talking about them selling out Colorado lifted that entire thing ratings every game that he was a part of was huge like everything He was saying was a promo cut to say like this is who this guy actually is not like what I'm just making up

I think he was obsessed with getting Travis It sounds like this was the only decision for this guy to make I'm new here This place needs a spark. We got the one. This guy plays both ways. He's beloved by everybody. I'm gonna go make a move to go get him. And Liam Cullen said, get him down here to Duvall. And we'll change the entire town.

They don't have a stadium in two years, but they have a team that has been trying and trying. Khan has been trying. Oh yeah. Hasn't he? Don't you think so? Khan has been trying. He wanted to build an entire city

for the Jacksonville Jaguars In the city of Jackson, I heard urban So now they got a guy a young guy and a young coach that make a big-time play Cleveland Browns I assume a lot of people wanted to get to two or how many people do you think we're trying to get up there? to potentially snag Travis Hunter As far as I could tell well, I think there was a another team made kind of an initial call but as far as I can tell, the Jaguars were the only team that made this real significant concerted effort

to try to get to two. This was a really fascinating one. Apparently, and one of the GMs said this, they've been talking for two weeks. I found out about this potentially on, I think it was either Tuesday or Wednesday and I was told the Jaguars are going to do something bold. Don't be surprised if it's offense, but they're going to do something bold. And so I'm like bold. All right.

So that means maybe Gentie or maybe Tetiro and McMillan. That's kind of what I'm thinking. And then I'm starting to hear that teams are calling up to two and three and I'm like, the only reason you, I mean, with all due respect to Abdul Carter who is awesome like Hunter would be the guy you'd probably trade up for I think and like there's most people thought there was two super elite players in the draft it was Carter and it was Hunter so I'm like if the Jaguars are gonna be bold if they're gonna do something on offense if they're maybe if someone's calling up to two, it's got to

be the Jaguars. I basically spent the next day trying to figure out, which I think by Thursday morning it was pretty clear Jaguars are going to trade up. It's a fun, fascinating trade. I can't wait to look back at it, but I've never had more people on both sides say, I can't believe they did this, this is crazy, why would you? And then it's, but the opposite.

So like when people think both sides are crazy, maybe that's a good move for everyone, you know? Hey, if both sides are happy, that's a good deal. And the reason why the Jacksonville Jaguars are happy is because they think they got a first round corner and they got a first round wide receiver. So we give up another first rounder, sure. We're just getting the corner

who's the number one corner on our board or instead of the number one wide receiver we have on our board. I think that's probably how they're viewing it. And you heard you're gonna be bold while fortune favors the bold. And if you listen to Jimmy Gladstone there, I'll tell you what, he needs to be speaking to the team. They need to have GM speaking to the team. The bold. That's right. And if you listen to Jimmy Gladstone, or... Wow. Yeah.

I'll tell you what, he needs to be speaking to the team. Yeah, I know. They need to have GM speaking to the team. You all have been placed here for a reason. Each week, I think he needs to be given one of those. Sweet. A hell of an intro, hell of a promo. Not everybody up here loved it, just...

What? ...as I can tell, based on... Who's that? ...living the fight, as they were speaking. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't. What? I need more details on that. I didn't. Why didn't you like what Jimmy go I mean we're playing football we're not trying to

split the Adam I understand I know I know I know I know I know I get it I get all of it and I'm gonna reserve judgment until we see what happens on the field but just calm down Jimbo just calm down okay I get it's a big pick it is that's a big pick that that was a little much it was a little more you saw I didn't see it yeah so we may have spoken about a little before the show that's all once he saw it yeah but I loved it and I loved the move from Jacksonville you already paid Trevor Lawrence there are still question marks around Trevor Lawrence

Everybody kind of looks at that deal right now when their quarterback is up to be paid So, um, you know Gladstone and Liam you put the pieces around him for him to be successful So I absolutely love the move from Jacksonville keeping Travis Hunter, you know, Florida boy in Florida Obviously a dynamic player on both sides of the ball still interested to see how those snaps are split But I mean Travis Hunter is no denying he is an absolute unicorn on the football field. I love the thought of Travis Hunter going down there though starting on offense and starting on defense playing full games playing a full season yeah and just this becomes a normal. That'd be awesome. Yeah Travis

Hunter plays the whole game in the NFL the whole season. I mean if he's able to accomplish this yeah I mean this should be a sports science spectacle of some sort of how his body is able to do something that nobody's body's ever been able to accomplish. I mean people are getting limped into the finish line and that's a 17 games. Roger Goodell has already got an 18 game schedule ready. 18-2! I think I speak for the fans here if you guys want to listen We'd much rather a regular season game than a preseason game right? Yeah, see so I think 18 to is the right move So if he's able to do that man plus playoffs Super Bowl That would be unbelievable for the human just humans as I like these highlights are ridiculous Yeah, I mean they really are

100 times and every time they're still as special. You talk about, you know, Cam Ward's journey, like his journey was wild too, you know, to be one of the top rated players in the country coming out of high school, following Coach Prim to Jackson State, talking about changing the space around you. He completely changed Jackson State and I think kind of FCS and HBCU football, eyes he brought to that program and then going to Colorado doing the same thing winning the Heisman in Colorado and then You know going number two overall in the NFL draft and then now, you know, the movie's obviously still being written But if he can actually be a full-time Two-way player in the NFL and doesn't sound like Jimmy Gladstone is gonna hold him back from chasing that dream. No, they want it.

So it's gonna be something to watch. Yeah, I love it. I love it. And remember Tony Khan, a wrestling promoter. Sure. We got a guy go, huh? Chief strategy. We got a guy that plays both sides.

We're the only ones that have a guy that plays the whole game. We can sell tickets to that. That's probably Tony that put Gladstone. Hey Jimmy Gladstone. This is one on one, huh? Do you know Andre the Giant? Do you remember Andre the Giant? One on one, we used to be able to tour him, but they toured him around.

He went everywhere, beating everybody, every town. Then there was the Hulkster, brother. Well actually, sorry, Bruno San Martino, I apologize. Pittsburgh legend. Shouldn't have done that. But if we got one, if we got a guy, and they are championing him. I mean, and you know Liam Cohen's gonna be able to drop some shit for him to get open. Let's assume Travis is gonna have some highlights each week.

And on defense, is he gonna be able to play? Both ways? Defense. If he was full-time defense, he'd be able to play? Against the Colts? Yes. Against any team? Oh, absolutely.

On offense, I mean, you got Brian Thomas Jr. on the other side of him, who's a bona fide number one potential superstar in the league. And then on defense, I think absolutely he can play. You watching those highlights, you can tell that he's a smart player. That's the other thing that's very impressive. So he's gonna be able to do it.

Yeah, ball skills. But does he have the time to do it? What do you mean? That's a good question. It's a great question. Like meeting time to do it, you know? I think if he's able to do defense full-time, he'll be able to do offense full-time

because Cullen will just draw up shit for him. Yeah. You know, like that is, I don't want to say offense is as easy as that, but for him, could be. Like if you're trying to simplify this as much as possible to make things happen, it's like he's an offensive guru, right?

Isn't he? It's just week to week, the game plan and the installs and things change so much So just being on the same like we've had, you know Aaron on with even like the signals You know certain signals and situations two minute when things are moving so fast You just have to get those reps in that continuity. No defense is the same thing I know a lot of people just think oh, you know, it's only a certain amount of cause which there is a more limited playbook on Defense but the adjustments you have to make on defense been on the same page

But everything we've seen for Travis Hunter on every level has showed that he can handle it and he seems like you know He's all football, you know, he fish he goes fishing He does some other things but he seems like he is Completely enamored with football learning the game and playing at a high level can't wait to watch him See if he does in the amc south. Okay. Good luck Tyler Warren's coming to town save with JTT He's a good football player. Yeah. Yeah, we got a bunch of dogs here in Indianapolis. You just made a noise something happen No, I was gonna say something

Okay, so something happened to my brain where it kind of triggered you mentioned some of the negative meeting stuff with Chador Okay, two things about way back some of the other meeting stuff with Shador. Okay. Two things about some of the other prospects. Right. I was, but I've been, Mike takes my wall, takes my brain a while. I respect it. I respect it. The Travis Hunter feedback from his meetings interaction

could not have been more A plus. Like, people loved him. Just character wise. Obviously the player is great and the stamina, like that's like the thing that people were him, just character wise. Obviously the player is great and the stamina, that's the thing that people were like, can you believe this? But interactions with him, I think were from the people I spoke with, not just teams, but basically everyone he interacted with, A plus and awesome. The other thing was, you guys talked about Cam Ward, you know, for because of the Shador thing, I think we all as like an NFL world haven't probably talked about Cam Ward enough because we've known he was going number one for a while.

We interviewed Mario Cristobal, his coach in Miami during draft league on the insiders, finished the interview and you know you're like, all right, hey, thanks for coming. Appreciate it. He was like, guys, like interviews over, cameras are off, but like we could still see guys listen He is a dog. He's like cam is just wanted us to know just not for the public Just for our brains that this guy is a dog. He's like he will change that franchise He is the best and I guarantee you he will be successful. I was like That is like okay, and he gave a bunch of examples

Why like just the time he puts in on that but like that was pretty cool Yeah, I love hearing that about people because that's kind of what we promote on the show basically Oh, yeah, you need dogs. That's all right That's literally all you're trying to do is find somebody that loves ball and is a dog that video that's circulating of him and Chador talking About making a song and Him saying American football. It's a football player and I think his dad and you never know what's real and what isn't real Calvin is his dad Calvin Ward Yeah, that's his dad. Does he have an ex account?

He does okay, so he tweeted to I think Schrager said something about all this guy wants to do is play football and Calvin yeah a ward maybe is that the Twitter account? I believe that is him Yes, so that we've got that tweeted or threaded underneath that and said that's it That's all he wants to do always ever want to do like his dad was like that We he is a football guy through and through and it feels like Not only has that served him well and probably had to make him be a gritty, you know, zero star recruit. Think about that. We talk about Bone. We talk about Bone here. Bone was washing his own pads down in D3, wins a national championship at a

left tackle. That guy loves ball. That guy loves ball. D1 football is at moments and times incredibly hard in different ball. That's honestly correct. That's all he wants to do. He's always been that way. Yeah. So it's Calvin A. Ward too. Yeah. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. Still got it. Calvin Award. Yeah. Bingo. I think that's potentially how I remember it. Cause they were awarded this guy. I think they got a guy down in Tennessee. I think that's potentially how I remember it. Cause they were awarded this guy. I think they got a guy down in Tennessee. I think they do. Feels like all indicate from what we believe

in the way we talk, if the guy has enough talent and he's a dog, he's going to be good. That's legitimately how I feel. Now there are some teams that maybe haven't figured out their quarterback situation or have a question mark at the quarterback situation. Connor has a question for you, Ian. Yeah, rap sheet.

Kirk Cousins not getting traded over the draft weekend. Is he just going to be the backup in Atlanta, maybe get used if Penance gets hurt? And then how come they traded a first-rounder to get back into the first? That was kind of a fleece, if you will. Two packs of cigs. Yeah, at least.

Yeah, it was a good weekend. Good draft. People still smoke cigars? Yeah. Yeah. Lease if you will two packs of sakes So the Kirk Cousins thing I was you know Kind of keeping track of and trying to figure like all right if he leaves Atlanta where might he go and I think if Your good friend Aaron Rodgers does not go to Pittsburgh, I think that would be a possibility. But it feels to me like the other possibilities kind of don't exist. Like people talked about the Vikings, okay, well they traded for Sam Howell. People talked about maybe the Browns, okay, well they, I don't know if you guys know this, but they drafted a second quarterback in Shador Sanders.

So I don't think he's going there and I don't think he'd go anywhere. And? And Dylan Gabriel. Geez. This guy. Sanders, so I don't I don't think he's going there and I don't go anywhere and And Dylan Gabriel she's sky Journalism just a tiny bit. Well third round pick third round traffic Dylan Gabriel true. I Actually came on the broadcast. I was like you guys are not gonna believe this but Gabriel is gonna be drafted before Shudor centers and everybody made fun of me and it happened So I don't think Cleveland's a spot for him anymore. And so like the more this goes, I kind of think he's going to be the Falcons backup,

which like there's no source on that because the Falcons have told us this from the beginning. It's just we kind of like just didn't believe them it feels like. But I think I mean, he's got family in Atlanta. I believe his kids got family in Atlanta. I believe his hit His kids have grandparents in Atlanta. I think it's his wife family that I'm much but anyway, he's got He's got family In Atlanta, I'm not sure like he's gonna he's got no trade cause I'm not sure he's gonna go anywhere unless like something crazy happens where he would be able to go be the starter

What was the other thing you asked the trade trade. Yeah, the get back into the first of the Rams. So I was pretty sure at 15, the Falcons were going to take James Pierce. They had done a ton of research. They had a visit with him and his mom the day before the draft because there was some character concerns on Pierce. So they like spent so much time and hours getting to know everyone he knows meeting his family getting to know him and understand him and I thought they were going to take him to 15 because that is how they viewed him and then they took Jaylen Walker at 15 I think because you just couldn't pass up the the talent and then immediately I hear Falcons are trying to get back in and I'm like, oh wow. Okay And so they are decisive down there. Yeah, aren't they?

They will make decisions they will go they you want to they will yeah, they will make this Suck last year. Yeah Yeah, I hope it works out for the Falcons just because they do things so much different than Literally everybody. I mean the Pennex pick looks so good now though It's like I'm ready to have taken this year. That's what I'm saying We've everybody killed him the night they drafted medics everybody us included Yeah, it was a surprise owes the mentalist somehow had it predicted on his little envelope thing Which makes no sense, but it was a surprise and we all kind of you know yeah rap just did it yeah Oh's Oh's Oh's got good brain but they draft

Pennex and everybody's down on them and then like you have to start thinking now well why did they do that and they're like well we think injuries potentially happen in the NFL and we liked him a lot then he starts playing now he's gonna be their starter and it's like if it works out for, they're probably gonna stick their chests out and say, you don't know anything. Like, nobody thought we were right here. They've made a lot of decisions like that. Hey, we're only interviewing defensive players

at the combine. Okay, all right. Maybe get some information on the other guys. They're gonna be maybe playing against you or something. No, don't need it. Only doing this. This is what we're focused on right now. It's like, I love the way they're going about it and I hope it works legitimately MC South

I hope it's what I hope it works and I hope Penex is good because he was so fun in Washington Yeah, and he was so fun in Indiana. It was like he is a guy that uh, I Last year, I think the NFL I think so, too Yeah to get thrown in that spot as a rookie that I think he did what it'll be smart to keep Kirk Cousins to back up you know because Pinnix obviously has some injury history as well so if you can keep a guy I would assume Kirk isn't wanting that. I mean no he would want it what's he making next year to be a backup? 28. Is he the type to force his way out? I don't know he put that little brain thing on like I think he would have done it already. Where the spot, like where would he force his way to it? He ain't going to Pittsburgh, we got our guy.

Who's that? Bill Howard. Here we go. Howard, here we go. Will Howard's a stealer now. Here we go. He was being comped to Ben Roethlisberger. I was, at least.

Yeah. Who made that comp? Tony. I did. He did that weeks ago. Just you? Yeah. Okay. He's fucking published. Yeah. This guy's a fucking published. I just wanted to make sure you were on the island. He's got an AP vote. With all due respect to Seven. Okay. Yeah, because Seven has the nicest house we've ever seen. Yeah, and nicest arm I've ever seen. What else? Nice as what? He's a, he was a great quarterback in Pittsburgh. They loved his ass. How about when he came out on that stage big night out? That place went crazy for him. Yeah. He's awesome too. And there was some things he did while he was playing that make him an incredible podcaster right now.

Like he's a very good podcaster. While he was playing, he was a great talker. Like a great talker. But sometimes he would say things that people would take and run with and say this guy. All the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But he was a good talker, you know? Because he was like just. I don't know if you know this, Pat, but when you're a player and you sometimes say things that are like way too honest and controversial, teams don't always like that. Yeah, teams, media, obviously blow it out. I mean, it becomes a big deal, especially in Pittsburgh.

You know, especially in Pittsburgh. So like that quality that he had then that maybe wasn't best for that's it, great for now. Like he is, he's a good broadcaster. He is. He's a good talker. Yeah. And he is beloved over there.

And if Will Howard has that career in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, what a time to be alive. Will Howard, we saw him in negative 20. Yeah, we did is he he's QB one right now Aaron Rodgers Is no longer a QB one in Pittsburgh If I had to take a guess today on April 28th, I would assume Mace Dog still starts the season if Aaron does not But you know wills gonna be lurking. He's gonna be right there. Yeah rap sheet though I believe it was you who said on the draft coverage that one of the Roonies was doing like some sort of media podcast or something.

Yeah. And he basically intimated like, hey, we think the Rogers thing is gonna get done. Is there any update there? Because you just kind of alluded to like, hey, if Rogers doesn't go to Pittsburgh, like from everything we've heard through the draft weekend, it sounds like that is closer to being a done deal than it was a couple weeks ago Am I wrong in reading that or isn't that kind of what you said? No No, I sort of took it the same. You're no meaning you're not wrong

Like it's from what our Rooney sounds like he was like, I think we're getting closer to a decision We are confident that Rogers is coming. I believe was was the way he phrased it So I they you know, they think Rogers is coming I think Rogers is gonna be remember the Steelers you guys think everyone I think everyone in the world thinks that I'm not his own decision. I'm open to everything. Attached to nothing. Yeah, I was trying to remember the exact. No, the only time I've ever thought

that maybe he might not be coming was on your show when you were like, you were sort of like, well, obviously you're going to play. And he was like, hey, retirement's a positive. And I was like, okay. But that's like- It's not that new dog or polo. Yeah.

All right, we got to go. Hard out coming. So many things to talk about such a little time. Hopefully, we'll see you again this week. You did great on the draft coverage, brother. Appreciate you. It was wild, too. You guys did great, too. I, too, was a good guy.

Thank you. You didn't see it. Yeah, you were the best. Ladies and gentlemen, Rafshie. Thank you. Thank you, Rafshie. Thank you. Thank you.

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every single day. Last week we were at the draft over there in Green Bay and I'd like to say hip, hip hooray to Green Bay. What a place. It was awesome. They showed up and showed out. What do you say? It was almost a bay with how much it rained

and they still chose to stay It was a place. Okay with a lot of There was a lot of people there all weekend. Yeah that rainy ass day cold day There's a bunch of people there then on the third day became beautiful. Once again, they showed up throughout the entirety of it I think even the mr. Rutherford pick got a pretty big pop from the crowd I like the fact that they had a bunch of Non NFLers kind of cut promos. Saw Hewani cut one for the Buffalo Beal. I saw Jimmy Uso do one. I

saw Chelsea Green, former United States champion. She lost the United States championship I believe on Friday night. She gave a pick out. Dustin Poirier gave a pick out. Seth Freakin. Seth Fre' Rollins did a pick for the Chicago Bears in Green Bay and I'll tell you what the pizzazz on Seth Freakin' Rollins It was a phenomenal piece of work good piece of business great draft pick for the Chicago Bears And I think Seth Freakin' Rollins is feeling the same way as a lot of Chicago Bears fans Maybe Big Ben Johnson's brain is gonna bring them back to prominence Zito whenever you watch Seth Freakin' Rollins do this

and then you see Shom Charania throw a nice opening pitch for the Cubs. Pretty good. You gotta be feeling good about where Chicago is and how Chicago's going. I feel really good. Actually getting offensive weapons is crazy. Cause usually it's always like some people

we've never heard of, but like Ben Johnson's brain and it's gonna be absolutely amazing to see what it does this year. Oh, I love that. I love that like Ben Johnson's brain and it's gonna be absolutely amazing to see what it does this year. Oh I love that I love that Ben Johnson's brain and that off think about Ben Johnson out there he's acting like he's Jared Goff Sam Caleb Williams what do we need offensive line boom free agency we're spending all the money up here we're trading we're paying everybody up here let's give this guy a chance. Now let's build this team to really go on a run. What if the Chicago Bears are back,

Ty Schmidt? You set up the draft. What if they win the Super Bowl? It's the same conversation every single year. What if Seth Freakin Rollins in his promo to announce that draft pick is the thing that propels them this year differently than years past? It's certainly possible. Yeah, first and foremost, Seth Freakin'. I mean, just knocking it out of the park. As a pack, I mean, just great healing, good heat for the crowd. I mean, he's a maestro. The guy understands it, so that was awesome.

That moment was really sweet. I think he would've got a pop if he would've let them say he's Seth Freakin' Rollins. Because he does the, he's a revolutionary, he's a visionary, he's Seth, and then the crowd says freaking Rollins Yeah, he did it at the end of this and I think he would have got freaking a lot of wrestling fans were out there Yeah, and art. I think there's a lot of wrestling fans in Green Bay

There was a lot of wrestling fans behind our thing a lot of eating Yeah during the shows and during the break there was a fuck goon third chance. Yeah I think there was a lot of wrestling fits. I think he could have got him to say it which would have been sick for him Yeah, that would have been an awesome video. He said it they said it But I think the draft had some entertaining times out there Yeah, legitimately and the Bears might be all the way back the talk to tables here at boss Connor attachment one half of the hammer down Cowboys a Pito nine-year NFL vet There's Dave

Good to see you, D Butch. Great work on the draft night, brother. Appreciate you too. The way you were working the film, we had good film. Shot the ESPN for that film, right? Shot the tone for ripping that film. Shot everybody in the back putting that up, and especially with the lower thirds

and everything like that. But I feel like we did showcase a lot of these young guys. Yeah, it was good. And then, you know, we spent the proper amount of time on each prospect. It wasn't necessarily about the storylines of the draft. It was about the prospect. It was about the team picking them. And I think we spoke, you know, we spent the proper amount of time on each prospect wasn't necessarily about the storylines of the draft is about the prospect It was about the team picking them and I think we spoke, you know, I think most of them We were like, hey like this big love this big, you know, we had some questions

You know, especially in Atlanta traded back into the first round what they gave up still like the pick overall And that's what the drafts about now for all the different franchises to be excited about their team to be excited about what their Team is doing trying to build a future winner So yeah, I always love the draft and it's been able to sit up there with Mike McCarthy You know just hear his stories and how he views it how he sees Different different players fitting with their teams. Maybe why a decision was made or not made Um, that's always awesome. Obviously at bill last year But then having Mike the issue near Shrarags on the team as well was awesome.

Schrags? The crowd was, they showed up. The crowd was awesome. They showed up, they had a lot of juice throughout that whole. I'm a shirtless kid behind this. He had to be freezing on. On shoulders.

Yeah, on shoulders and overalls. What a time. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is the all time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers. A man that got to go home in many different ways alongside his 12 year old son Hendricks. He's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, and a Ryder Cup winner.

Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawke. Hey, baby, Hawke! Great draft in Green Bay. I thought the whole thing, I thought Green Bay absolutely showed up. I couldn't believe when you turn on the last day and it's still jam-packed there. That's, yeah, sometimes it wouldn't be,

you would think it might not be the most fun, especially like Friday to stand outside when it's 35 degrees and rainy but it still seems like what 150,000 people show up there in that parking lot yeah I because we were there so we understand what they're doing like there is some stuff to go do yeah on the outside and there is some things but you're still standing on parking lot for three and a half four hours Last day drinking so much booze sixth round so much beer being consumed out there Such I bet you there was uh, obviously people went multiple days and they made an entire thing I assume there's gonna be people that do this every year that might might travel with the nfl draft You know like next year's in pittsburgh. I'm gonna assume that pittsburgh's gonna do well just because

What we saw happen in nashville obviously massive what we saw in Detroit, obviously massive what we saw in Green Bay, obviously massive I think those are football towns. I think you can consider that football places I think Pittsburgh will show up in a big way and I think the backdrops will be Righteous, you know if they set them up in the right spots. The draft has become a full-on phenomenon 13.6 million viewers they set them up in the right spots. The draft has become a full on phenomenon. 13.6 million viewers that topped, you know, like the NBA finals or something like that. Yeah, of course.

The draft did. What did Roger say about, I guess, speeding it up? Yeah, he wanted to give like five minutes and then a two minute extending card or seven minutes and two minute extending card. And you could only use it once throughout the entire draft. I assume everybody will only use it in the first round. I don't know if there's later rounds,

you have a two minute need or a necessity to extra think it. Maybe, maybe you're waiting for a trade to happen. I think that wouldn't be a bad idea. Add a little drama. One a day, I think. One a day? When he said one per round. Or one per round, one a day, yeah.

Yeah, just, but you gotta assume that people are gonna use that two minutes. So that's gotta's got to go down to five minutes. It can't be at seven minutes because it might end up going the other way might end up being longer you know because so many two-minute things are being put in. I appreciate it though that it feels like he understands it. We're allowed to keep this thing rolling because a lot of big businesses they want the show to be longer. Why they want to show longer D-Budge? Advertising. More advertising okay just like if the season goes to 18 games for everybody instead of 17 games

they got what three more primetime games they can sell. So what? Oh advertising or licensing for other people to sell advertising that number is gonna be a massive number. So everybody assumes it shows want to stay long AJ want to stay long want to stay long. But if your show is long and it sucks and the numbers low you're gonna make less money than if you were to shorten it a little bit and make it a great show and then your number's higher. You know, it's just how you decide to do the business. Do you wanna create quality stuff here

or do you want us to just kind of be a marathon drag out people? I think he wants to make it entertaining. I think he wants to make it a good show. I think he wants to make it a positive night. That's what I got from both him and how he's treated it over the last few years, but also how he talks about it

to us and there'll be times, you know, where I'm asked for my opinion on something and I obviously respect and appreciate the hell out of that opportunity to do as such, but it's like, I think they know that this draft is a, this is a big deal. And if you haven't been yet, I think you won't fully understand how big of a deal it is until you go to it. It's hard to explain like well who's there everybody like but

what it feels like Super Bowl week it honestly feels a little bit like Super Bowl spectacle yeah everybody's there every advertising is there every every team is obviously there every team is represented in fans every country that is a fan of the thing is there it's like it is it's a full on spec it's media day for the Super Bowl yeah yeah that is with fans with two hundred thousand people being able to come or whatever their final number was probably six hundred and some thousand or something Like yeah, I know the last day or yeah, like when I mean it was Saturday and it was nice But two hundred and fifty five thousand people showed up that was more than any of the previous days but it's also different because

Like you fans are booing each other and stuff like that But it's it's like such a communal feeling like everybody was having a good time everyone's kind of on the same page yeah it was a football celebration exactly and you don't really get that as much on like a typical game day or with the Super Bowl like there's a little bit more animosity between teams like there's really none of that it's just everyone's there and the the only goal is like hey we're gonna drink this, we're gonna have a good time. Celebrating football.

Yeah. Yeah, everybody wins. Like Super Bowl week, it's two teams. Everybody wins. Like draft week, it's, hey, no matter what, we're gonna win today. Or we're gonna lose so bad, we're gonna boo and it's gonna be a no.

Yeah, sure. Right. I didn't see a lot of that. No, no. I saw a lot of people get a camera put on them, not have a reaction and then, yeah. Yeah, we need that. Yeah, okay, okay yeah that's a

good pick no i don't know you see day three the uh packers guy that was still there that came out he was in the green room baron sorrell yeah baron sorrell from texas that was awesome so they said 600 000 total attendance at the green bay packer draft where they stay i have no idea i just because obviously you're getting all these people that's coming in these football cities that will most likely never get a Super Bowl, like Pittsburgh won't get a Super Bowl, Green Bay's not getting a Super Bowl,

Nashville maybe, but you're bringing these, this type of event to these cities, but I'm very curious to where all that- Comfort Inn. That's why I didn't expect that big of a crowd like we had, because it's like, where the hell would they stay in In Green Bay, they were there. There was not a lot of places.

Vermont Inn, Red Roof Inn. Comfort Inn, right? Yeah. Comfort Inn and Suites, pretty good. Super 8. Comfort Inn was a hot spot? That's where we were at. That's where we were at.

Great spot. You could make your own little waffles in the morning. Listen, I was at an Airbnb, door was open for anybody. Said that. Numerous beds scattered throughout this place. It was a- Yeah, I'm not going to blame comfort in suites

for how I sound right now, but- Dude, I don't know how- I had a good time. My room at the comfort inn was bigger than my room in the Fontainebleau. That's bullshit. I'm calling bullshit right now. Two couches in there.

I would just like to say, that was a wild setup whenever we got there because it's small town. We committed late too. Small time, very late. Too late. We got too good of a spot for... We had a great spot.

Hey, NFL, thank you. Great stuff. Thank you. Could have not done that. We all would have understood. The row of shows, how they did it across from the... It was good. Stage was awesome.

Yeah, they're making it a show. I like that they're making it a show. Need some Cirque du Soleil stuff over the crowd. It's not a bad idea. Over the crowd. For's not a bad idea You know cuz they got that thing covered I think so they got that big ass you already got a huge stage Let's go like zip lines You should pay people should pay extra money to zip line from back where our stage was up and to close to the stage with NFL guys are yeah cuz they had that super cam that had that cord already

Yeah, whatever that was going from up over our head right all the way to center stage Oh, it's like you can certainly do it Pittsburgh from a hill somewhere or from the bridge you off a bridge coming down through there that's how low we're gonna put two thousand people at two thousand two thousand we're not gonna talk about that okay Tony coach you need to figure out where two hundred thousand people I told him we'll figure out I think there's a nice spot there on the river anyways let's pivot away from the NFL draft, which had a great weekend.

Let's talk about the NBA playoffs. I'll tell you what, there's some shenanigans going on. A little bit. There's some questionable calls going on. There's reviews from ceiling cams. What? I think happening now in the NBA. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen,

a man who played 13 seasons in the NBA, co-host of the Knuckleheads podcast, and now an ESPN analyst, Quentin Richardson. Quentin Richardson. How you doing? What's going on, fellas? I'm good, I'm good. Good to see you. The NBA playoffs is doing great, I would say.

A lot of stars playing, a lot of prime time television. Tyrese Halliburton in the Pacers don't look now haha real deal Okay, it sucks. What happened to dame. Nobody likes that at all Obviously in sports injuries happen, but what was this? Do is there a camera in the roof of arenas how do and is this always a thing? Obviously, I'm referring to when LeBron James swatted Anthony Edwards's LeBron James swatted Anthony Edwards' hand ball out of bounce. Look at the time, nine and a half seconds left, 1.14, 1.13.

This had been a great back and forth game. Lakers lost it, to be clear. They got tired, I think, not a single substitution in a second. This one, this thing popped up out of nowhere on my TV. Is this happening all the time? And how often are calls changed, not only overturned, but then two free throws are given, especially with the nine and a half seconds left

or 10 seconds left in the game. Well, I mean, this has been the update of the review call that they came in, that they put into play. Now you can update it, you can retroactive and go back and call a foul or take a foul away when they go to do the review. So I think that was the result of that. As far as that camera being up in the ceiling, man,

that's part of the evolution of technology and everything that's going on in these arenas. I definitely never saw that view during my time plan. But we've seen it come. We've seen all type of different angles and camera views come into play as we go on. So here we go with one of them. Everybody talks about LeBron James getting calls, okay? He talked about it on our show. He's like, if you go look it up, I'm actually bottom five

in amount of calls. And then I think somebody did and maybe he's not bottom five. But it's like close. You know, it's like, I believe LeBron. I believe him too. Yeah, whatever. I believe him too. I don't think he gets enough calls, but that's like against him with 10.7 seconds left. Wild move, obviously for us to all watch This Anthony Edwards guy is the guy though, huh? We got a this is the future here of the NBA. He turned it on He's unbelievable to watch and are the Lakers obviously done after having to play the entire second half with no substitutions. I Mean first when you talking about and man, he's absolutely the real deal. He's must-see TV.

I mean, the thing I like about him is that not only is he not backing down, I mean, you saw different possessions where he was pushing and trying to be physical with Lebron. He knows Lebron is stronger than him, but that was just him just trying to like, this play here where you just see like, that's a blatant two-hand push and then a run-up and chuck and get through. That's him saying him saying I'm here I want the smoke I'm not running from it I know you who you are but I don't care I'm trying to show everybody who I am and like you got to appreciate the way this kid is going out there and competing and then going on this stage and it's basically he's the

feature for his team and he's up against two features when they got LeBron and Luca you know that's like 1a 1b so it's up against two features when they got LeBron and Luca, you know That's like one a one b. So it's like he gets the chance to go out here and try and knock out greatness and he sees in that moment Okay, I love watching him. Um, I think he's electrifying I assume the new ownership up there is pumped that he's on their team and he's still very very young But they're doing things up there. Uh And I think the old school timberwolves fans are coming out and howling for it. Congrats to Ant. Yeah. Watching him body up LeBron. That was sweet. That was awesome. We talk about dogs like we that's the big biggest

compliment you give somebody in football. I think in basketball as well. When you're a dog. Is there anybody I know he gets a lot of MJ comparisons. I see a little bit of Dwayne Wade in him as well. Anybody that he reminds you of number one number two do you think the wolves have enough to make a run at it at the end of the whole thing? Yeah my first comparison I mean when I first found out about him D Wade was the one telling me about it because D Wade's college coach Tom Crane coached Ant in college so that was when I first even knew who heard about who Ant was when D-Way was telling me about him.

So that was my first comp for him. But I mean, to me, he separates himself from either of those, MJ or D-Way, with his three-point shooting ability, man. He made over three's this year. It wasn't but a handful of guys that's ever done that. And I mean, he really is shooting the ball at a high clip. And I think that's the biggest difference between him and those other two guys. But once he starts slashing to the hole, that's where all the similarities and

all of the things about D Wade and LeBron, I mean D Wade and MJ come into play. Because when he hits that launch pad, he definitely gets the feel of the D Wade vibe in different ways and we seeing him put everything together. And he's the star in a series where you got LeBron James and Luca Donkic. He's been the biggest star in the series. And that says a lot. It's awesome whenever they start crying.

You can see whenever, like, the elite guys are definitely going to make a shot, you know? Like, very rarely are they going to miss after cooking somebody, because they want the highlight, you know? Because they want the highlight to remain. Because if you miss shot, obviously, not gonna be able to run it.

Like, there was a couple times, obviously, Ant did it here in these highlights. Luca would be at the top, and the ball would start going in between his legs, back and forth, and then he would start shaking a little bit. And it's like, anytime he pulled that up, there was, it was 100% chance it was going in. It feels like that method of them playing

the entire second half is One that's going to be talked about with the Lakers Is that is that normal? How's that? Uh, how? How's this affect them that they're gonna pull? You look at this that right here saying that that was the first time a team has ever done that I didn't know that that was a stat I literally didn't know that today said it and obviously like you say, it's kind of blown up over the past day or so, or whatever. But yeah, I mean, when you think about it like that,

and you look at it and you see LeBron didn't have any points in the fourth, you see Lukaku was looking kind of gassed. I mean, maybe they were, maybe they weren't. No one ever knows. But I mean, I'm sure that the players will be asked that and they'll say they were fine because we, you know us as players, we wanna play all the minutes. Now, sometimes we could be a detriment to ourselves, just wanna be out there and maybe we have gotten tired, but I mean, to see this stat right here,

that was eyebrow raising to me. I didn't know that was a real stat and I didn't know it had never happened before. Shout out to the boys just doing it. Shout out. Jay, Jay, sitting down every time out, knowing that this is their only chance to breathe. And then going right back out there,

while the other team is getting a breather. You know, it's not just that you gotta go the length of time. It's that the person you're going against is certainly getting a breather at different times. So they're coming back fresher and they're just rotating on you. And you're just having to keep up.

40 years old, LeBron James. Second half, playoff game. No subs. I mean, JJ Reddick probably wanted a coach to do this at one point. Like, if this is how the game's gonna be, just leave all the starters in. And now we see how it'll end up working out.

JJ is a brand new coach. They've obviously had success. We shall see. Speaking of success, Pacers, tell me about them. Huh? They're a real deal. Yeah, I mean, listen, you this this playoffs in particular man Just the physicality the little chippiness of it the back and forth not only in the paces in the book series

But across the whole playoffs, but I mean when you talk about this series man, Indiana has been game They've been game from the start you love they they've they've they've met whatever physicality whatever chirping this has gone on Everything has been gained back and forth. I love Tyrese Halliburton right after the game, being in class, coming out and speaking and sending prayers up for Dane, seeing how they're competing, but you never wanna see things like this happen.

I love everything about it, man. Congratulations to you guys down there in Minneapolis. Y'all got a long career. Happy guys, and Hallie Burton is clearly a star, but I think miles Turner is big time. He doesn't have credit to me. I love miles Turner.

What he's doing out there. He was protecting a rim last night and wrecking it a little bit. He'll knock down a three to know where so miles Turner. Go ahead AJ. Yeah, Q staying in the East.

Obviously the the cabs are up 3o trying to close out the heat tonight. I guess I know Boston Connor. He doesn't think the Cavs can compete with his Boston Celtics, but how do you feel about this? Different tone this morning AJ, I'll tell you. Oh, okay, good. I look forward to hearing a down, you know, solemn Conner about these Celtics, but what

do you feel about this Cavs team and how they're coming together? I like it, man. I like everything they've done. And I'm along the lines of what Donovan Mitchell himself has even said He was like if it wasn't me being on his team, I would need to see us do it and that's where I'm at I don't I don't think they're incapable of beating Boston But I still have Boston to win the East and when the when the championship I'm not my book but but I don't think that it's impossible for the Cavs to do it

But they really have to be clicking on all cylinders. And I think Donovan Mitchell has to be the best player in the series if they're going to do that. I love the thought of Connor not having as much belief in the Celtics this morning. H, you should have heard it, man. Obviously, he's got a little gargle. Horse a little. He's a horse. The Magic got him nervous right now? The Magic got him a little nervous? Is it the Magic? It's not the Magic, even though the Magic are very good and they're tough. Gargle horse horses horses magic It's not the magic even though the magic are very good and they're tough gritty bunch Yeah, they're gonna be great Franz Wagner

Paulo bank arrow they're great and they're rough which I can rush but the South things haven't been a hundred percent Okay, drew holidays been out the last two games Tatum was out game two you kind of worry about them being able to hit their stride if they're not playing, you know together Okay, so emotional I think it worked up. How did you thought this cell team was? I think about yesterday in my hope my voice is like this one from the red roof in whatever the hell it is and also Yelling at my TV, you know yesterday was tough But Q rich you think they can still go on a run even though they haven't all played together throughout this series? Absolutely, man. I think that's a sign to show that, like you said, they haven't been in full

strength and when you say that they've missed Jason Tatum, the one of the top guys on the team, Drew Holliday's missed two games. When Porzingis was out, I mean, they have a deep team and they've been able to step up and fill those gaps. Now, you don't want that to be the case moving on into the next series and beyond. You don't want them to continue to have to fill in for guys. You will hope that these guys, the little knickknacks, they get healthy and they're able to be out there.

Because if they're at their full complement, I don't see anybody being able to beat them, man. I've been able to beat him I think they I think they're gonna be strong enough to withstand whatever they got and you see they have different guys step up in Different moments have big games although Tatum is always the constant But I mean they have a deep roster and you can't say enough about old man Al Horford man He's out there like like guarding perimeter guys moving his feet and standing in front of guys blocking shots at the rim being physical and then bringing you know trying to get rough and be an enforcer for his guys out there you gotta you gotta take your hat off to Al

Horford out there. Five blocks I believe he's like the first player ever was 38 and older with five blocks or second player with five blocks or more legend. Just a legend staple of the playoffs it feels like yeah When do I see him playoffs is when Horford comes in? Oh, it's how Horford season He's really guard seemingly always there tie as a question for you Q. Yeah, Q rich going back to the Bucs We've heard non-stop. I mean obviously the dame injury is killer But we've heard non-stop over the last couple years with Yanis like hey, he's he's going to New York

He's going to Miami kind of wants to be anywhere but Milwaukee obviously the whole you know him and Dame thing hasn't really worked out I think the way they anticipated to this series isn't over but what what happens next for the Bucs like do you think we're gonna see a much different team come next year especially if the Pacers do kind of take care of business here in the first round Yeah, I think you probably see some change that's just the way the NBA works as far as far as Yanis I don't think they'll ever want to leave to let go of him I think he'll have to like force his way out or demand a trade to leave But I don't think the management would be willing to just part ways or just trade him willingly.

I think that'll be a situation where he would have to have that conversation and really talk to them and let them know that's what he wants to do. But if he was, if you mentioned the Knicks or Miami, I mean, if he was to do that, now would probably be, this summer would probably be the best time if ever. I mean, you look at Miami with Jimmy Lee, and it's wide open for them to welcome a superstar like Giannis. And obviously, New York would go absolutely bonkers if they had a chance to get Giannis there. And I mean, he would absolutely took the scales depending on what would have to happen for him to get there. But I mean, just picturing him with any variation

of Jaylen Brunson and Kat Anthony Towns, that's a championship contender in my book. The Pacers are up in the series and up in the game. And when they go to break, all they're talking about is Yannis because it's hard not to with the way Yannis plays and what he's able to do. What an absolute specimen.

I mean, just so strong, like everything. His strides are like free throw length. It's unbelievable to watch him get through. And then they talk about some of the shooting and everything like that. It's like, it feels like he's only getting better too, which is what it's been like since day one with him. He needs to come to Pacers.

He needs to come to Indiana Pacers, tip of the scales. Come on down here. Yeah. I think Q got a good beat on it. He would be great. I mean, he said Knicks as well, but I would just stick with him. Come the Indiana Pacers tip scales Beat on he he would be great. I mean he said nicks as well, but I just stick with me. What about heroes? Greek free Greek free Sweet That would be banana a rod needs to make the play Alex Rodriguez needs to call the play get the money out make the put make the trade send gobert

You know the grants. Yeah There's a guy still playing right now that he's gonna have to lead his team after his teammate gets injured this playoffs tone Has a question for you Q. Yeah, Kirich and Steph did he had 36 in game three against the Rockets Which is huge to know or their starter had more than ten leads them to the game three win now They're up to one Do you think Steph can still get it done without without Jimmy if Jimmy's out the rest of the series depending on what happens? I think so man. I think he just showed us that man It's last game the thing that was most impressive to me about Steph in his last game was that

Obviously he makes shots all the time We've seen him make a million different type of shots in a million ways But to me the physicality that he was faced with, the way they were hounding him, chasing him, holding him, grabbing and the way that he was being guarded by guys that were bigger than him, Thompson, Brooks. And then, you know, when he did have a guy his size, Fred Van Vliet is a pit bull, certified. He is a pit bull. So like when you being guarded and doubled it every time, to play through all of that and still find his way, that was the most impressive thing

because we know how he has to run around without the ball and look at the physicality he's taking. He was being guarded probably as tough as he's been guarded in some years right now. And this is the older stuff. And I was more impressed with him being able to battle through all of that and still find a way to make shots shots find those openings and just be out there and be able to be like like Jimmy said Batman for that

Team he would have to carry them right? I mean, that's the he would he would have to go on an epic run here for the Warriors to win this 100% I think he I think he has to go go off I'll be surprised if Jimmy doesn't play this next game that'll let me I mean just that he was out that last game. Let me know that he's really injured. He's not hurt right now because if he was hurt he would be out there and we all know in sports is a difference between hurt and injured. Nobody's injured.

I mean you can't go and so like I expect him to probably be back this next game. But I mean the the Warriors they got a lot of veterans out there man. They had guys that stepped up and made plays and I mean Draymond his his numbers didn't look crazy But his his impact on the game was tremendous. He was everywhere defensively I'm talking about everywhere and the energy he brought the physicality and the demeanor You know, he always has that demeanor in that edge He was he was truly impactful in that game and the numbers don't even represent it halfway at all. When Steph is hitting just like turnaround jumpers,

feels like everybody else is able to do their part, you gotta be scared of going to State Warriors. No doubt. He'll do a heat check from half court just in the middle of the game. I want that Steph Curry back. You know, that's the, and it's basically impossible, I guess, because the whole world knows

that he's gonna be able to do that. So that's why they bump him so hard. That's why he's defends so hard. His stamina, you know, we talk about Travis Hunter. We talk about Travis gonna be able to do that. So that's why they bump him so hard. That's why his defense is so hard. His stamina, you know, we talk about Travis Hunter. We talk about Travis Hunter being able to play offense and defense, obviously wide receiver and corner. That's a lot of running. Steph seemingly just runs the entire time.

On defense, he's always chasing whoever. And then whenever he's on offense, he's just running like, I don't wanna say just routes, but basically he's just running like fake routes to try to get open, try to find a pick, try to find some space. And when he gets the ball, somebody's on top of him and then he runs again. It's like, uh, he's nonstop the entire time he's on the court. So stressful. And you could, you could tell, you could tell the email has the, uh, if you're guarding him, your job is to face guard him. I s they

showed a couple of plays like there was action going on over here on the other side of the court. Thompson, Jabari Smith, whoever it was, was completely back turned. No way can tell what's happening. I'm face guarding him. I'm two hands, like no one even care what's going on over there. That's the type of defense that's being demanded to be played on him. So for him to continue to just find ways to do this, it's

yo on a physicality standpoint like it's beyond impressive. Yeah and you know Udoka was the head coach of the Celtics when the Warriors and Steph beat the Celtics in what was that 2022. So I mean he already has his number. Well his number is if every shot I take is going to fall and how does he not get tired? I don't know how he doesn't get tired. And his shot gets better throughout the game. Like- Yeah, his condition is out of this world.

His conditioning is on another planet. Cause when you look at the whole total of miles, ran and all that, it's spooky. Like his condition is crazy. And he's doing full arena shots before the game even starts from the tunnel, you know? So that's energy. I mean, he is, so that's energy

This dude's awesome, you know, he is it's been cool to kind of watch him. How old is he? 35 37 37 yeah, that's He looks like he's 20. He's my age! What? Just Ty Kobe for most 35-in-5 games in the playoffs. You know, I'm a big, big Steph guy. Mount Rushmore got to me. What he does, obviously everybody talks about his shooting, but his ball handling, his conditioning, obviously. And in the playoffs, sneaky, good rebounder, too.

He'll grab six or seven boards in the big, big games. I'm a huge Steph guy. All right, before we let you go, there is a question that needs to be asked. D-Buck? Yeah, I know we had, you know, obviously NFL draft this weekend, bunch of big playoff games.

So I don't know how much you were on X, but it's a big, big important question. And I know you're a philosophical guy. A hundred dudes versus silverback gorilla. Who comes out with the win and what would be the plan of attack? I'm going with it. I'm going with the 100 dudes today from Chicago. In the city of Chicago. We rolling. We gonna figure it out. That's the 100th one. I like them odds. It's just one silverback. We gonna come on now we

from the crib we gonna figure something out these guys make that work okay now what what happened after we see what happened to the first let's say five or seven dudes you know ten maybe the front line who will be those frontliners yeah they all got some crap about them. Just ask me a second wave at some point who is gonna you think there's enough there you think there's enough that are going to rally if this if this is 100 of them we're gonna we're gonna work it out man you know they said it's a fight they didn't say fair they didn't say what we could grab what we could do anything with right i didn't hear any rules of this so we good i think it's i think it's hey i don't think you could shoot no guns i don't think i don't maybe a stick i don't think you could shoot maybe a stick I don't know because they could get a gorilla could give you a baseball bat. You got a baseball bat. Yeah, good luck No, it's an octagon. It's an octagon

Breathe it sometimes we need a a medical department at some parts. We need to figure this thing out. Us first. The Gorillaz are so strong. So strong. Pretty fast. They're pretty fast too. Especially when they're pissed. When you see the octagon, I don't know about those. That was a great conversation this weekend. Imagine 20 sumo wrestlers though, just going in there like the rest wave. I don't know if they're better off or worse off They can probably smoke a couple people the first guy that goes in the gorilla rips both his arms off Yeah, cuz

Those they're super humans. Yes, like the way they operate And when they get pissed on the internet videos and I've seen, I've never got to see one in real life. Thank God, but I assume it would be quite a shame. When they get pissed, they go real fast and they get real loud. And it's like a bellowing sound. So you gotta make sure you got a hundred people that,

you know, whenever that happens the first time, not even a little, you need to prepare for that moment. You're saying you need training and we need the right group of people. Yeah, I'm with training and we need the right group of people. Yeah, I'm with that. Yeah, the right group of people is key. We need some crash out. What about training?

I don't know if you can train for that. I mean, maybe you can, but I mean, I think you just need some crazy dudes. We need a team meeting or something, don't we? Don't we need a team meeting? Gotta have a plan of a chat. Gotta have some sort of plan. There has to be some sort of, all right, here's the deal.

We need 10 good men to sign. Gotta have some sort of plan. There has to be some sort of plan. Here's the deal. We need ten good men. Yeah. Decide. Sacrifice. Because you guys, you see, you're the first putter in a scramble. We need to see the line here. What does this particular silverback really lack?

What are its weak points? You ten are all sacrificed. or all sacrifice crack maybe okay we need ten good men once we figure that out we'll figure out everything else I think there's a chance out there get those first ten highs shit I like us I like I don't know those anytime you see one it's like yeah look at the form I gotta get tired. Nope. Nope. They gotta get you saw Steph Curry on the on the court. He's got his Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's a superhuman. This thing's a superhuman. They got it. Look, we ruled this world the hard way back in the day. That's because we got opposable thumbs. That's right. That's what they said. So think about that. Think. So is it better than us at everything is what you're saying. Okay be fighting wise. Yeah, they gotta be you have we math

No, I'm probably maybe math math. Yeah math chess All right, we're done with this overwhelming with the numbers gotta overwhelm them with the numbers got to oh you're saying we're showing one Little faint yeah, 25 each limb you think we're doing one of those? There you go. You're going with that. I like those are 25 easy man Everybody just you can't have dudes like five people copping out halfway when we run Yeah, so this is a one two three go situation Yeah, and you just gotta hope that the mouth doesn't go to your limb Yeah, so you got a one in four chance here to get a good solid attack So go 20 20 20 20 on the head 20 on each one. Yeah. So you got a one in four chance here to get a good solid attack. So I go 20, 20, 20.

20 on the head, 20 on each limb. Yeah, smart. Getting the head might be difficult. Now your math is math, and the math is math now. I still think there's a chance that, yeah. For sure. Who's hanging on? I don't know.

I'm taking the gorilla, but I'm just. Who's winning it all, Q? I still got Boston right now, man. I know OKC is looking crazy, but until something different happens, I'm still rolling with Tatum and the Celtics right now. I got to see the rest of the way. But hey, listen, even out the West, I'm still got to lose like the Minnesota Timberwolves and raise my eyebrows.

But if the Clippers could get past the Nuggets, I'm interested to see if Kawhi stays healthy, what they continue to do. Cause they scary to me. They scary with Kawhi being like how he is right now. A lot of interesting storylines coming out of the Clippers Nuggets, a lot of them. Oh yeah. I mean, it feels like there's a lot of drama.

I guess anytime you fire a coach a week and a half before the playoffs or whatever, there's going to be conversations about every decision in every game. Is there a chance that this Clippers team is just a very good basketball team? It's not that the Nuggets aren't playing their best ball or whatever. Oh, no, it's absolutely that the Clippers are a great team. They're coached by a great coach in Tilew and they got Jeff Van Gundy as an assistant who's doing an amazing job.

And yeah, I mean, to me, in my opinion, I see what Joker is able to do. Joker is dominant and he can win some games on his own. But to me, once they fired their coach, the organization was out on these playoffs. They wanted to go the direction they wanted to go as far as firing Michael Malone. But these playoffs was just, okay, we're a roll of dice. Maybe Joker could get us somewhere, take us there. But we're not vested like that, not that a roll of dice. Maybe Joker could get us somewhere or take us there, but like we don't really, we're not vested like that. Not that big of a deal.

Cause if you fire your coach, you can't be thinking you're about to go for a championship. And GM, as you enter into the playoffs with that guy on your team who throws a great alley oop over the weekend to get a win. Shout out AG. That was, that was big time AG. That was brilliant.

You know, I saw earlier in the season, LeBron James tipped in a Leuka miss against the Indiana Pacers. And it was like, at the last second, very, very close. Here we go around the rim. This, watching it live, thought to yourself, okay, what matters? Like, how far through the rim does it have to get?

Like, in soccer, it has to be full ball. Other sports, it just has to be partial. So when does it consider a point and then his hand being on it doesn't matter anymore? Do you know the explanation of that? Does it have to be through the rim? I don't. I don't. I know when I saw it in live action, I thought it was good because the lights didn't come on and the ball was basically through the rim. So I thought it was, I thought it was good. But when I was watching it, like how you saying right there, you saying that. All I could think about was my former coach, Stan Van Gundy going crazy. Box out!

Just, you just watching, you just watching. Cause that's what was happening. The shot when it was like at the end of the game, you kind of sometimes that happens. You saw Powell and Harden were kind of standing there. They didn't watch the shot. You're not even thinking it's going to be time for anything else to happen. And Harden were kind of standing there. They didn't watch the shot. You're not even thinking it's going to be time for anything else to happen.

And Harden kind of reacted late. But by the time he reacted, A.G. already on the rim, missed a bucket. But if you watch this was look, everybody Jamal like Norman Pabot. You guys are supposed to be on the inside box now. And I could hear Stan Van Gundy blowing a gasket, blowing a gasket. What a what a finish to a game. And then obviously take the victory lap as you should.

I love that the Clippers are a team. Because I like that Balmer spent all that money on a team. And I like that they're healthy. Right? That they're healthy. And if we get Kawhi in the playoffs, I think everybody would be pumped about that. Let alone Adam James Harden.

I mean he was must watch television. years back four years back now. They're in the playoffs rolling. All right It's beautiful time for basketball. We appreciate the hell out of you Quentin. You've been crushing it Yes, sir. Anytime fellas ladies and gentlemen Clinton Richardson That's only two two series Everything else is three one four. Oh four. Oh happen already happened already. Yep. Pending tonight with the Rockets Warriors. Lakers should have won last night, obviously. What did you just say? I just said that the NBA I grew up on, David Stern, would never allow this.

Allow what? In the first round. 3-1 sweep. I mean, sweep. The series would have been over because there were five games. No, 2-2. In the first round, come on. This has been happening for

us. We got some good matchups. Lakers would not be down 3-1, I tell you that much. We would have never saw that fucking. John Moran getting injured just wasn't good at all for that series. Not that OKC isn't dominating. That's how they've been all year. That's why everybody thinks that everybody should talk about them a little bit more. They go 4-0. Obviously, they get a little bit of a break, a little bit of a rest, especially for the Clippers Nuggets in which they are waiting upon. They're probably going to them a little bit more. They go 4-0. Obviously they get a little bit of a break, a little bit of a rest, especially for the Clippers Nuggets in which they are waiting upon. They're probably gonna go a little deep into their sling. Timberwolves Lakers, that one feels like it's about over.

You know, hell of a run with this JJ Redick one. Go ahead. Well that's the thing, the T-Wolves Lakers and Pistons Knicks, like I mean, we're not gonna get into that. What happened to Pistons Knicks? Yeah, we got absolutely screwed. The rest. The Pistons is we, is who Evan Fox is talking about there

allegedly The refs came out and say yeah. Yeah, we did screw him over it Yeah, there's a reason that people from Detroit use the mantra Detroit verse everybody and it's right here You're gonna see we get the rebound boom foul. Nope. They don't call it game over This is the game and then pool report comes out and says, yeah, you know what, that was a foul. You know what, as a fan, I'm done with the pool report. I don't care if it was on my side.

I don't want to hear it because it just makes me more angry that we didn't get this call, that we didn't win this game, that the series isn't two to two and we have a chance in this thing. Now it's three to one, we're screwed. How come LeBron James gets turned over?

Exactly. And this one can't get turned over and they're saying it's three to one, we're screwed. How come LeBron James gets turned over? Exactly. And this one can't get turned over, and they're saying it is supposed to be a call, whatever we didn't call, so it should be turned over. I don't think I understand. Now, if I'm a Knicks fan, sorry about it. Yeah, I agree. That's not, you want us to call the fouls too?

Okay, we'll do that, I guess. Big bad Pistons begging for a foul call. You really hate to see it. Well, it was, they said it was. Pistons coach Bigger Staff burned his challenge in the first quarter so couldn't challenge it or anything like that. Oh no. There we go. Is that challengeable? 2-0 in Detroit back to Madison Square Garden. Wrap it up at home for the first time since 1999. The Nicks haven't won a series at home. That game was actually against the Pacers. Reggie Miller went 3 for 18. Okay. You're saying not everybody remembers that Reggie Miller.

Thank you for the history. With the Knicks because obviously the, we're gonna have put up four buckets in like ten seconds here and change everybody's lives real quick. I appreciate that Bruce also said this morning, the Detroit Pistons tough basketball. Now they're mad about a call at the end. Okay. Pistons tough basketball now they're mad about a call at the end. Okay, Bruce Bruce actually said while everybody on TV has said that the Pistons got screwed

by the refs Bruce said that if the refs were on the Nick side they would have won by 30 points every single game and I'm like we literally just had a pool report say we lost the game because of the refs it made no sense at all They're eating the whistle all game long, which is fine. That's NBA playoff basketball But at the end of the game, you can't be begging for a foul when your entire team strategy not begging for hack They just ma Jaylen Brunson. I didn't The refs literally came out Malik Beasley should be playing right tackle for the Lions the way he's moving on these screens. He's got great, great footwork driving those feet moving like crazy. Pisses are a tough football.

First Detroit, who's going to be tougher in any sport and any fight and anything in life. It's Detroit every single time. Classic New Yorker behind. They are more physical, just not talented enough yet. Well, they should have won that game. That's what the ref said. Jalen Brunson got hurt again too. Well, Jalen Brunson has a season ending injury every single game and then comes back and makes absolutely no sense. He's so good. He's breaking records too. He's very good. With that being said, Kate Tunningham needs to make that shot. So I won't blame

the refs for this one. Okay Interesting comes around at the end. I like the old Detroit, New York heat there In life, he said as well best part is whoever wins the series gets to play the Celtics, right? So I'm fun. Enjoy enjoy it now. That'd be a nice second round hockey is happening and hockey is obviously Majestic will be joined here in a matter of moments by the number one hockey podcast co-host, a man who fought off nine Irish gypsies in a parking lot. A man, what's that? 10 v 1.

Bingo. Now we'll ask him about 100 v 1. Because he's been close to this situation in the past. Also the feeling mentally, as you have to step back into the fight. That's more on the way, you know, what would the reaction be in that particular situation? Here's a man who has done the research for us. He's obviously an NHL analyst on TNT.

He has done fantastic this season. Been a joy to watch. Also liked that this weekend we had two buttons loose. Love that move. Unprofesh, but also very comfortable. This move I fancy on a regular basis, ladies and gentlemen. Mr. Biz Nasty, Paul Bizonette. Yeah, Biz!

The boys! How you doing, brother? Great to see you. Great to see you as well. Thank you for joining us. You've been crushing it this season, man. You're obviously spitting chiclets, always going to be great, but you on TNT has become spectacular, brother. I hope you know that.

We got an awesome team there, man. It's been fun. Liam McHugh, Anson Carter. We kind of got a bit of a rotating chair as well. We got obviously Henrik Lundqvist there. We had Rick Bonas head coach since Rick Tokets left, but it's been an amazing ride, an amazing week in a hockey and it just seems like every game there's just a crazier and crazier storyline as things progress here. We're not even, we're halfway through the first round and it's been absolute madness. Yeah, playoff hockey is electrifying every year, let alone whenever there

is a season of storylines, which let's talk about the biggest one throughout the entirety mostly on the outside I don't know how the hockey world was viewing it But from the national perspective 30,000 foot view Alexander Ovechkin in Washington Capitals not only is he get the scoring record in the history of the NHL But their teams a wagon once again We saw that son of a bitch Tom Wilson this way all buddy lay somebody out classic Tom Wilson Which would then lead by that's the freight train he was on the show last week then that leads

directly to a goal for the Washington Capitals feels like that is Capitals hockey are they rolling and can they win this whole thing? They very much could that's a series changing hit right there carrier in the neutral zone he had his head down some people complaining about it there. Carrier in the neutral zone, he had his head down. Some people complaining about it being a dirty hit and a head shot. No, he went right through the body here. And as you see, everybody's a little confused.

Carrier's trying to get off the ice. He's scrambling and a chikrin, a beautiful punt pass. I called it a Pat McAfee punt play. Thank you. When he sent that, I said that on the broadcast. Thank you. And Duhaime picks it up in Matheson's feet and then they end up tying it up and the rest is history. So it went from probably being a 2-2 series at this point to now being 3-1 for the Washington capital.

So they're just feeding off all that momentum from the regular season and the OV goal chase and even going back to last offseason. Like they made playoffs last year, but they did so with one of the worst goal deferentials in the league they didn't really provide a lot of offense before this year and then become one of the highest scoring teams in the league among obviously Ovi chasing that goal chase and and then doing it it's remarkable 39 years old for him to get over 40 goals and do it the way that he did it and not only that but having the pressure of like all the cameras and all the media surrounding him in order to get it done like he Some people thought at his age and maybe with the deterioration of how old he was getting that he would have to back into this record

Nah, man, he broke his leg this year played just over 60 games and scored over 40 goals at 39 years old. It's remarkable. He's the greatest goal scorer to ever exist. I don't think anybody ever thought that they were going to say that considering what Wayne Gretzky did when he played. So remarkable and just a perfect catalyst leading into playoffs in what's been all the electrifying entertainment. I loved the Wayne-o and Ovi moments afterwards too and how Wayne basically because it turned out to also be a celebration of Wayne Gretzky's greatness I think. I think a lot of people that maybe didn't know or didn't fully understand were either taught or reminded about Wayne Gretzky and why

this record was one that nobody thought would ever be caught and the fact that Ovi was able to do it you're talking about being hurt and then not backdooring his way in he didn't Even want an empty netter. He said I don't want to be on the ice for whenever they pull the goalie it's like he was confident he was gonna get there and We had a chance to chat with him the guy I don't know if you saw it he introduced everybody on the team before we started the conversation Feels like he is just like literally a lad of the lads in the locker room too. Perfect NHL representative, I think, right?

Unbelievable. The guy's a complete farm animal. Like he drinks pop on the bench, eating Subway still, doesn't care about his diet, eats whatever. Ultimate team guy. And I'm sure most people have seen these viral clips of him in the hallway. And when the guys come out, he's amping them up before they take warmup. And Jacob Trickman was one of those off season signings that they made that has propelled of him in the hallway and when the guys come out he's amping them up before they take warm-up and Jacob Trickman was one of those offseason signings that they made that has propelled this team and he wore that headband so he started singing the bands make them dance. The next thing you know

they got Juicy J in the hallway so just the ultimate competitor and I couldn't be happier for the guy and also an incredible ambassador for the league and you also mentioned it like Wayne getting to be a part of that handoff. Like Wayne is like the ultimate team guy and just an incredible guy to be around and I'm so blessed that I've been getting to know him through my course of my job at TNT and that's everything that he's about and when he passed Gordie Howe that's exactly the way that Gordie Howe handed it off to him including Gordie Howe's wife giving Janet a present and a gift to also commemorate her and then Janet followed up by giving Ovie's wife a gift as well on the ice so that's really what the hockey community is

about so the fact that they were able to stop the game and have that in-game ceremony and for it to go as good as it did, it was just remarkable. And it says everything that needs to be said about the league and what it's about. Hell yeah, hockey. Did it right. I think you did it right.

That old wife exchanging of gifts, I did not know that. This is my first time learning that. Hockey, as you're saying, and I'm like hockey's so different, man. It's just like such a perfect culture. The playoffs are electrifying. Go ahead, AJ. So I wanted to get back to Tom Wilson quick So different man is just like such a perfect culture the playoffs are electrifying go ahead AJ

So I want to get back to Tom Wilson quick because there's a there's a guy named Kyle Vanden Bosch that used to play for The Lions Titans and this guy played DN and I talking to offensive players that were on my team They were always aware of was where this guy was he played harder than anybody It was gonna take your head off and probably take it home with him if he could after the game Like what kind of presence does Tom Wilson have on the other team? Like you said, like a series changing hit that he had. Like when you have a guy like that on your team, how does the other team view it? And is everybody always thinking, hey man, eyes up,

you always have to know if this dude is on the ice. You nailed it. At a certain point when you come into the league, guys like that, it's like, hey boys, heads up, this guy, he's going to run you, run you through the end wall. But at this point, everybody's aware of who Tom Wilson is and what he brings to the lineup. So especially for defensemen where he's for checking game

in game out, you got to help your partner out. And most of the guys on the opposing bench, the minute he steps on the ice are telling and yelling at the guys like, heads up, this freight train is coming through and what's amazing look at him he has to feel so cool coming on the ice and the other team being like yo yo big dogs on the ice right now heads up heads up he has to feel like a like an absolute dog out there as soon as he gets on he fought on the bench didn't

yeah this weekend oh he that was game gets on. He fought on the bench, didn't he? This weekend? Oh, that was game three. He ended up fighting on the bench where he was getting a little bit off the rails where Carberry had to kind of put him back in his cage to a certain degree. But you just saw the video of him talking to Montreal Canadiens fans because obviously they had been giving him an earful, not only from that fight on the bench, but obviously that hit. And I'll remind people at home Zidane O'Chara, when the Boston Bruins were playing in Montreal, he laid a hit on Max Pacioretty and he hit like the, kind of like the mooring side and it knocked Pacioretty out and they try to file a police report and put Chara in prison.

I think they're going to want Tom Wilson in solitary confinement after that hit that he delivered. But AJ, back to your comment like absolutely he's obviously made such a name for himself now where everybody is well aware when he's on the ice and guys are giving each other the heads up but he's also not just a mutant out there like he can make plays he can put the puck in the back of the net so it makes him like this this triple quad threat where he's a unicorn and when he signed his contract people were yelling overpayment, overpayment, this guy's just a goon, those people look like fools. This every GM in the league would beg to have a guy like that on

their squad and it's it's a remarkable what he's done with his career. Yeah we as Pittsburgh Penguins fans have seen it, you know, since the beginning. So handsome, too. Just so... Weapon. So handsome, so tough, so good at hockey. It's just like, get this guy off, suspend him. Kick him off tour.

Pick him off the tour. Not allowed to be there. Then you pair him up with Ovi and everything they've had going on over there. That's why the Caps and Pens had such a good rivalry for so long. A lot of change at the Penguins. We'll talk about that with Biz on the other side,

as we'll remain on digital YouTube, ESPN+, Disney+, and TikTok Live. We're off of ESPN until tomorrow. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. Sports Center's on in five. Nice. Goodbye.

Biz, you still look good. You look good, we're still live. All right. Oh, I just wanted to make sure I was getting enough light The Sports Center's on in five. Nice. Goodbye. Biz, you still look good. You look good, we're still live. All right. Oh, I just wanted to make sure I was getting enough light on my nose here, on my toucan, Sam. To be clear, for the first 10 minutes you were talking, shadow right over your face with the hat that was there.

Whenever you were- Well, the reason I got it on- Yeah, I know. Connor has a question about that, actually. Yeah, yeah, Biz, I do have a question about that. And you know, the Maple Leafs are finally looking good. In game three I think everybody thought oh this is the game the Maple Leafs lose this series kind of turns nope they get it done. I believe they're up 3-1 now. Do you really think this is the year?

Do you think this is it? Are they gonna be able to go on a run or do you see them kind of dying slowly? Per usual. What the hell's going on with your voice? Yeah, I smoked like three packs of cigarettes this weekend. It was a great NFL draft for the Patriots. So I'm not doing too well right now. Oh, well either way, uh, Leafs are looking good boys. They're up three one. Uh, I don't want anyone planting the seed of doubt. They did lose game four and overtime, but power play's clicking. The core five looks good. We've, we've, we've, what do you mean? Oh, what is it?

It's three one. They lost the fourth game. Oh, shut up. Over time lost. The battle of Ottawa. Oh no. Can you feel it Biz? It's the battle of Ontario and the Leafs are going to take it down.

I said gentlemen sweep and five, which is going to happen at home tomorrow night. And they look good. It was normally the core four, right? John Tavares, Nylander, Marner and Matthews. But Matthew Nyes has been added to the core five. This kid is an absolute beast. A young kid. He hammers guys. He can skate well and obviously put the puck in the back of the net and we got the goaltending, we're

getting production from the back end. It could be the year. Really? Wow. The Leafs break the curse. It's been since 1967. It's much like all you baseball fans out there, this is like Boston, the Red Sox for all those years couldn't win it. They'd always choke in playoffs. This is the Leafs year, Pat. Believe it. Okay. For you, I will believe. And you said this is like the Boston Red Sox on the field and on the ice. Aren't the Maple Leafs like the Dallas Cowboys in Canada? Is that right? A lot of hype. That would be a fair assessment to this point. Yeah. Like people that don't know hockey as well that are watching right now

I don't think they understand that the Toronto Maple Leafs in Canada are like, right? It's like It's it's it's the Mecca of the hockey world people would argue that maybe the Montreal Canadians is that but from an overall Canadian perspective Absolutely, I would say that Toronto is the Mecca of it. You know, just like in Dallas There's a much added pressure that comes with being a Toronto Maple Leaf. The media can get very negative and nasty, but this is a group that brought in Chief Craig Barube as a head coach who's a proven player, but

retired, won a Stanley Cup as a head coach with the St. Louis Blues, turned that team and organization around in order to hoist their first ever Stanley Cup and I believe this is a different group that can ignore the outside noise and get the job done with the superstars that they have. A lot of chatter about the Maple Leafs up there in Canada. So you got to be built for it, you know, just like you. You got to be built to play down in Dallas for Jerry. Now let's go down to Florida. D-Buts got a question for you. Yeah, down to Florida, battle of Florida people down here in America called, you know, Florida the Mecca of the hockey world. Give me a little bit of insight on that battle. Yeah, yeah,

there we go. Still seeing it right here. Coupe Stan Lee. Yeah, a little insight on what's going on with the battle of Florida between Tampa and the Florida Panthers. I've seen some big hits Obviously Barkie got got knocked out in one game and Chuckie came back hit against so knock the shit out of him Looks like some bad blood there, which I absolutely love what's going on in this series You still have my Panthers coming out and can the Panthers going to run to win it back to back? So as far as the gameplay is concerned, I would say it's been a little bit underwhelming

But things definitely heated up in game two after that hit that Hagel ended up I mean, this isn't boring, but the gameplay has been but after game two Yeah that Hagel hit on Barkov now people deemed it very dirty He did get a game suspension But a lot of people don't realize like Barkov is such a good 200 foot centerman So I think on the play right here Hagel thinks that Barkov knocks the puck off of McDonough stick and that's why he delivers the hit That's why you see Hagel being like what's up? Why did you call that?

So you see right there it looked like Barkov lifted up McDonough stick and knocked it away which would deem it a legal hit but he didn't touch it so it's interference and based on the gravity of how hard he hit him and the fact that it was a bit of a blindside they gave him a game well fast forward a game three obviously things got out of hand where the score was about four five one at the time Tampa's up they put the empty netter in and after Jake Gensel delivers that pass over to his teammate Matthew Kachuk changes his angle goes in and drills him about a second late Matthew Kachuk's not gonna get suspended for it I don't think the hit was as hard but clearly Matthew Kachuk knew what he was doing eye for an eye I expect this series to amplify way more after that

happened in game three and now you even got the coaches going at it in the media. Paul Maurice and John Cooper. We knew Coach Moe would get in there. He's not scared to joust a little bit if need be but in these series especially in hockey and I know basketball the same way like we saw Ant LeBron pushing each other or whatever you're playing the same people here you, and it's the highest of stakes. In Playoff hockey is the fastest of hockey. I mean just like in football preseason has a speed, regular season has a speed, playoffs has a speed. Hockey very much like that and also all the teams that are into playoffs very fast teams. So whenever you talk about high speed, high pace, there's a lot of action. There's a lot of collisions

There's a lot of potential beefs that you brew in a sport that allows fighting. So I couldn't imagine waiting for two days knowing that okay, I got to either get back, I got to get back or I got to get back coming. That's why hockey's different man. That's why hockey's different. So a little advice to you young hockey players out there, don't admire your past the way that Jake Gensel was here, but clearly Matthew Kachuk knows what he was doing and this is a late hit and afterward by the bench Kachuk's trolling him saying yeah keep your fucking head up and

Yeah, that has to happen, but he knew what he was doing this was retribution for the hit on Barkov and it's game on now 2-1 series and Things should get very very interesting in Florida in game four. How about him saying, I'm gonna teach this kid a lesson? This is America's hockey family, the Kachucks. Keith, Walt Kachuck as they call him, played in NHL. Should be a Hall of Famer. Brady Kachuck, Matthew's brother, plays in Ottawa,

who's involved in the Battle of Ontario. And obviously that's Matthew, Stanley Cup champion last year like I Deemed I think he knows who he was doing I would deem it a little bit of a dirty hit but I would take both of those guys on my team Every day of the week twice on Sundays. They are absolute gamers Savages and that's what you need in the Stanley Cup playoffs to Chuck being back for the Panthers is obviously great in news Atone setter, you know, Four Nations, we all watched it. Oh, man.

We all watched it. Played it online for his country. Yes, he did. National Anthem, you're on boo. Okay. The tournament was bullshit. All right, we're going to have three fights in nine seconds. Got hurt to the playoffs. That's how this is going to go.

Got hurt in the All-Star, Four Nations thing all the way through the playoffs because of how much he cared. That was a smashing success. I don't know if we've talked to you since then, maybe. I don't know if we have. I love that. Are you guys going to be able to do that every year? It was just a precursor for what's about to come. The Olympics is next year. I thought it was perfect. It was crazy to see how emotionally invested all the guys got considering it was this one-off tournament but the minute that game happened and those scraps went down everybody was glued to their television 14 million people I believe overall watched the finals in which Canada took

home but it is just a precursor for what we're gonna see at the Olympics with more nations involved credit to the league and its players for putting this on because everybody's hockey interest was garnered so much more and this is the first scrap and the guy on the right mind you is Brendan Hagel the guy from Tampa who delivered that hit on Sasha Barkov So there was even a little bit more history Although he had hit that happened in the Battle of Florida So he held his own against a bigger math you could chuck but once again man credit these guys for putting that show on for Hockey fans and hockey's on a heater and I can't wait for the Olympics because it's gonna be electric in Italy

I don't know if you heard city cross he's playing for America. So Solidify you getting them for that event you threw on I did help with that. Did I yes you did. Thank you for that event you threw on. I did help with that, did I? Yes you did. Thank you for that. So if you steal, there's no way you're stealing our captain Canada for the Olympics. Did you hear me trying to negotiate him on? You're trying to negotiate him becoming a United States American citizen. Yeah you need to stay in your fucking lane buddy. You need to stay in your lane. I guess there's a bunch of rules that say it can't happen. We're trying to get Messi on America's side to Placer He lives in Miami. He's been here a long time. Yep. You guys just want it all don't you? Yeah

Goddamn right. We would like the wind we would like to win the world guys are hoarders man I tell you but be great for us, you know, we we could be a lot louder if we win You know like boy coming off that four nations needed. Yeah We know you guys need a little humbling is what you needed after that first regulation win at the Four Nations. And if you're trying to stir the pot right now we can do it buddy. No no no no. Hey hockey is Canada's game you guys need to shut your holes. Yeah but we got curling a few years back you remember that? That was a good time when we got curling curling Maddie Hamilton and the boys

They were doing that great sport another one of Canadians games. Yeah, when's the last time a Canadian? I'm kind of new to hockey the Canadian team won. Yeah, I don't think it's ever happened It's a great question it's been been, I think, over 30 years. The Montreal Canadiens, Le Habs, were the last Canadian team to win the Stanley Cup, defeating the Los Angeles Kings in 1993. Okay, I'm sorry, Biz, go ahead. But if you look at all of the playoff rosters of teams in the States who have won the Stanley Cup, most of the people on those teams are Canadians.

I would say if you put the full list of percentage, I would say it would be about 40 to 45 percent of Canadian players on those American teams. So I don't know what type of tariffs we're getting charged or we're going to charge you for those players, but the reason that America is able to lift the Stanley Cup is because of the camp. See, you guys want a piece of the cup? You want a piece of the cup, huh? A little tariff on this, huh? The boys are showing up for you, aren't they? I ain't good, man.

They're doing good things for your cities, aren't they? They're bringing happiness, joy, huh? We'll take a part of the cup. I mean, that is how it'll go. What are all the countries that make it up? Obviously, Canada, Russia, United States of America, most NHL rosters. Well, currently, Russia, they're not going to be in play.

And it's like, listen, we don't need to to get political here I understand there's a reason they're currently not that and some of the doping that they've done in the past but not specifically the hockey players but just the country in general. Icarus, yeah we watched Icarus. But it would be a shame if for the fact that it would probably be Ovi and Malkin's last Olympics if they weren't able to compete but Germany would be a team, Czech, Slovakia, Sweden, Finland, US, Canada and I don't know who else would be in the mix there I don't know if they finished the qualifiers usually there's a there's a few other Scandinavian teams in the mix there, but the big countries are usually Russia,

Sweden, Finland, Canada, and US of course, and Slovakia and Czech not too far behind. Okay, and if Russians can't play, obviously Ovechkin's lived in Washington DC for how long? He's basically a politician. Influence too. I think there's a chance. We have an angle there. I don't think Putin's gonna okay that one. And if you keep talking that nonsense you might have the red dot on your forehead in no time. That happens all the time I think.

If you read the messages that I read about myself. Anyways, let's move along. Speaking of that particular thing, but in a much less serious way whenever it comes to a profession. AP Tone has a question for you about change in Pittsburgh. Yeah, Biz, two-time Stanley Cup champion back-to-back for the Pittsburgh Penguins I believe in 16-17. Mike Sullivan and the Penguins departed or decided to part ways today. Did you feel like that was necessary? Just like a, obviously Mike Sullivan's still a great coach, but he's been there for so long and the team hasn't done great lately. Do you feel this was necessary?

I feel like it was a situation where I don't think Pittsburgh's gonna win anytime soon, regardless of having Sidney Crosby in the roster, which is obviously depressing to me. I hope that he has an opportunity to play more playoff hockey and hoist another Stanley Cup. But also that there's so many coaching vacancies and probably a few teams that need coaches that are a little bit more Stanley Cup ready. And the simple fact that this guy is gonna probably get a massive payday. The New York Rangers need a head coach I wouldn't be shocked if they threw six to seven million dollars per season at Mike Sullivan

I think the resume speaks for itself I think it's a little bit crazy to pay a head coach in the National Hockey League that much money It's not like football. It's not like football, right? Like football like you can win and lose games a lot by coaching with set plays and you know how, how it's played hockey. There's only so much structure. Once the shift starts, the shift starts and you know, there's only so many four checks. There's only so many, uh, you know, power play setups.

It has a lot to do more with the players on the ice than it does coaching. That's not taken away from the coaches. It just seems a lot of, seems like a lot of money for an NHL head coach. And the fact that there's what eight or nine vacancies current, currently they turn them over like crazy. So I think that the Rangers are going to offer him the bag. He could potentially head back to Boston. Um, he, uh, I believe he's related to Charlie McAvoy. Yeah. To some degree. Um, so maybe that makes a little sense as well. And, and Sweeney and Neely are in a little bit of desperation mode, given the fact

that Boston had a very, very difficult season, including some tough off season signing. So, um, yeah, I, I, I think this makes a lot of sense. And I think that he's going to get an absolute bag now Sullivan McEvoy Sweeley Neely sounds like this on potentially happening Wonderful thing who the pens gonna hire and we're gonna win the Stanley Cup or what's about to happen. I'm at the GM What's the name of GM Kyle?

Doobas Kyle Doobas Kyle Doobas. I am impressed by by Kyle Dubas. Obviously, I think he's either younger than me or same age as me. I met him whenever we went back to Pittsburgh. Had a nice trench coat on. Had a nice trench coat on. Had a good, I think he had a maybe a little bit of a scarf. Yeah, he looked really good. Yeah, he's buttoned up. Hands in pocket.

Good handshake. Good conversation. I think the book's still out on Dubis and what he can do with that organization. I think that like, well, why you say wow? What do you mean? Like what, like I don't know. Stanley Cup. It seemed like when he said the book's still out, it seemed like the book's out for you.

You don't like Dubis. No, I, well, you're trying to make it personal. It's not personal. I'm just saying as far as his GM quality. Sounds a little personal, Biz. Sounds a little personal. Thank you, guys. Thank you, guys.

It does sound personal. This early into his tenure to say this? I feel like the minute I hopped on this thing, you guys have just tried to stir the pot. It's because you've tried- Not me! You've tried trading Sid from the Pens for the last two years. Oh, yeah. Remember that?

Sidney Crosby, few more years. Oh, yeah. Because he's wasting away his final years there. What are you talking about? Sounds like it. He's the only guy on that team that deserves to hoist another Stanley Cup. Everybody knows.

Gino don't deserve it. Gino and LaTanger don't deserve it. Well, I think that Gino needs to bring a little bit more to the table if he wants to hoist another Stanley Cup. I love Gino. I love Gino, too. But he ain't playing at Sid's level right now. Sid's playing at a level that he's very...

We have to turn over the team, I believe, right? That's what is about to happen? You guys, Pittsburgh doesn't have many prospects in their system. They're going to have to do a complete overhaul. The only positive news, and that's why I said the book stalled out on Kyle Dubas before you interrupt me and started stirring the pot, is I believe they have $26 million in salary cap space for this off season. Well, you better get signing contracts

and you better find yourself a new head coach. Geez, we got four head coaches if we wanted, from your math with six or seven million in this entire thing. Well, they don't count against the cap. You gotta spend that on players. How much money is a good player? How much is a, I know, Sidney Crosby signed

for 8.7 million or something like that. So there there there aren't a ton of good available free agents this off season. Like now because of how how the league is like not a lot of them are even get to that point. Like one that probably sticks out is Mitch Marner hasn't signed yet. He's a Toronto Maple Leaf. Kyle Dubas loves Mitch Marner. He was with him in Toronto. There's a little hostility between the Maple Leafs and Marner based on the fact that they try to trade him at the deadline for Miko Rotten who is available and

they were willing to part ways with Mitch Marner even though he had a hundred point season. He's had a few 99 point seasons in the past. We want a Pittsburgh chip on the shoulder. Dubas ain't doing it. Well, he's not. Dubas is doing it. As far as Mitch Marner is concerned, he hasn't just like the book still out on Dubas as a GM, the book still out on Mitch Marner as far as playoff performance. He's had a great start to this year.

Things get harder as you progress through the second and third round. But he's a guy that's going to command probably $14 million on the open market. And we got 26! Yeah but are you gonna bust your nut on one guy or are you gonna spread it around the lineup? Well that's... Gotta bring Hazy back. We just need...

We just had him on the podcast. I love Hazy. I love Hazy. I was privy to him negotiating his contract right in front of me. He was trying to negotiate an extension I do believe right in front of me. He was trying to negotiate an extension I do believe right in front of me. What a beauty that guy is He was the best he got hit in the toe with a Chris LaTang shot, too So he was limping his ass around the complex for us. He was so kind so cool Everybody was so nice to us over there. I would like to see them get good again

I would like to see them get good again. It's a lot more fun when the penguins are good, you know for me I think I think it's gonna take him at least two three years to get good again I'd be shocked if they made playoffs next year unless they do let what Washington did in the offseason and have a complete Home run as far as free agent signings if Mitch Marner ends up there and you're paying him 14 million And all of a sudden all you have is 12 left over. Like it's hard to address other areas and that's what makes the league so good in the NHL is the parity. You only have so much money to spend, there's a hard cap, you can't get around it. And yeah, you need to address a lot of positions not just having a guy who's a 100 point scorer.

Dubis signed a seven year deal? He signed a big ticket, seven times, I believe, six, six and a half, maybe close to $7 million for a GM who's never hoisted a Stanley Cup. All right. You guys act like I'm hatin'. It's just like, when you get a big ticket like that, there's a lot of pressure that comes with that, and he's gotta prove it.

I think Kyle Dubas will do that, and- What about Shanahan? Does he get a pass all the time, Biz? I think that if they don't go far this year, that his names came up. Like, I like Shani, like he's also a proven player. Like he's won a Stanley Cup as a player. Of course.

And he has that experience. So I think he's done a solid job. The issue, the major issue I had with the Toronto Maple Leafs management over the last like five, six years is they, they signed those guys to ridiculous deals when they were restricted. So they just handed over the bags to their core four where once again, you need to snap the money

around and when you're a restricted free agent you don't have all the leverage you do when you go to free agency when you're not restricted but they got bent over in negotiations gave all these young guys all this money who hadn't proved anything in playoffs and that put them behind the eight ball well fast forward to now they have their contracts they got their money well time to get the fucking job done now It is time who's gonna win Stanley Cup If you held a gun to my head I like the West

Colorado in the West after watching that last game, they looked lethal against the Stars, but those two teams, them and Dallas could each win the Stanley Cup. Like that's a juggernaut of a first-round matchup and then going to the East I'm sticking with my Leafs. I know that Florida's got a heck of a wagon there but I got to go with my Toronto Maple Leafs. So it's gonna be a heck of a playoff boys and I don't know if you guys have talked much about this Landiskoch situation and the fact that he'd, uh, he'd had to sit out for, um, over a thousand days.

It'd been, he's the captain of the Colorado avalanche. And he had a laceration near his knee, uh, in playoffs. And then it ended up escalating to the point where he needed reconstructive knee surgery. Uh, he thought his career was going gonna be over. He documented the entire rehabilitation process over the last three years and it had been a mental grind. This is one of the best stories in all of sports right now and finally a few nights ago, 1040 days he scores his first goal back in the NHL in playoffs in game four

against Dallas. Unbelievable. That's a wonderful story Yeah, I didn't believe a lot of people were talking about it at all. Is this the goal right here? I assume that's the goal right there and just the amazing energy in the building the jubilation And as soon as they pan up to the crowd after this There's a guy in a land of scog jersey right there making out with his girlfriend who has a McKinnon jersey. So just the timing of it all, it's such an incredible story and he's an unbelievable human being. So it was just amazing to see an incredible hockey and a story in the hockey world.

Hey, thanks for telling that here. I'm appreciative to get that message and that story out. Maybe a team to pull for if you don't have a team in the hunt anymore. Now, for me, Pittsburgh Penguins fan, I'ma pull for anybody until Pittsburgh Penguins are back. Next year. Yeah, okay.

Cause Kyle Dubas. But I like the Capitals a lot. I like the Capitals a lot. Just strictly because Ovi came on the show. He was so cool. I've known. He was unreal with you guys. He was so candid and I love how he introduced all all the boys and did he have a subway with him?

Yeah, I think so. He held up the bag. Yeah, but like I think that was one of those I don't know if they were forced to do some sort of media with ESPN and like we were Maybe like I don't know how it came together came out of Foss sent me a text like Oh vetchkin on the show next week I'm like how yes, weetchkin on the show next week? I'm like, how? Yes, we would love that. You were very fortunate, Pat. Like, not many people get to see that candid side of Ovi. You do get to see it when he's in the tunnel with his teammates and these small glimpses of it. But the fact that you got to be on the PJ with the whole squad,

like, that was a very cool moment. And like I say every time before I sign off, like, thank you for shining light on the wonderful game of hockey. And we need that type of tire pumping, for for sure. Hey you're doing a great job of it as well. Can't wait to see you guys golfing here in about a month. Seems like Whitney's about a month ahead of you and everybody else. Guy's spinning it. Guy, he's a stick. He's a stick stick. I just watched a water shot yet that I've never seen someone do in my entire life. It was unbelievable that wit hit

Yeah, he was just golfing with Another golf. We did the bot. We did one with the Bob does sports guys. Yes Yeah, maybe that's not the clip you saw but I do you know the Bob does guys. Yes. I'm a big fan obviously Caesar salads also massive fan of those I Watching you guys collab was cool. That was a really cool collab. I think it was a good group one of the best collaborations we've ever done and we're gonna do something else with those guys, but Yeah, it was oh, I never saw this was yesterday. He was playing yesterday. I think boom Yeah

Yeah, I met wit when I played with the Pittsburgh Penguins and just an unreal guy, so fucking funny and after our career was over we ended up joining up on the podcast, Spit and Chicklets, that rear admiral Mike Grinnell and Whit were already on and yeah, we kind of rekindled and it's been an incredible ride and you know, we like to kind of get, do other things outside of just talking hockey and we started doing these sandbag or golf matches because he's a golf junkie. And when he retired, he got really hooked and he's basically a scratch golfer. His game is regressed a little bit since he's had three kids. You know, I think we all know when you have kids, your life's pretty much over or at

least your golf game is unless you're on the tour. But yeah, we we've gotten, we've dipped into the golf world and then did a few collaborations with the Bob Does guys. So you can check that out on our Spit and Chicklets YouTube channel or check out us smoking them on the Bob Does channel. That's great plug and a worthy plug. I follow along, have followed along. I didn't know Witt was as electrifying as he is until obviously watching the spit and chicklets but I followed at Biz

nasty for decades now at this point so I appreciate every time you come on we're lucky that you're in the sports space you guys over there legit you make hockey a lot better hey we appreciate you and if Edmonton makes a run here with McJesus and dry saddle you should get him on to talk Edmonton Oilers hockey because he's a jock sniffer. He used to play there. I think he got booed out of the building, but since retiring, he's jumped on their bandwagon,

so I think they've accepted him back with open arms. Okay, sounds like that is a situation we need to look into and definitely try. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Biz Nasty. Thank you, Biz. Thank you, Biz. Biz.

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Huge. Fantastic. Look how hockey guys are. He comes on, he instantly names everybody that he's to show with. They're all, they're just, they're programmed like team guys first, always. Yeah, and hockey doesn't have a lot of characters

outside of the locker room, you know, or the change room You know, they have two different locker rooms. They keep that shit real tight always have you don't really get to know a lot about The players you don't really get to know a lot about everything. It's just like we play sport. He has an injury What's his injury upper body? Don't worry about it. We keep it moving. Everybody's hurt Like they're just so like humble don't want to talk don't do that Biz is one of the first people with his Twitter account, you know And he started getting very active. And I followed along because obviously I grew up

as a hockey fan, as a Pittsburgh Penguins fan, and had a great clap bomb. Great clap, I mean, we're talking deck hockey, or as you yups call it, ball hockey. I had clap bomb, next door neighbor clap bomb, that was about to check out Ched, you know what I mean? And I played goalie every once in a while if I had to, because somebody has to play goalie,

or none of us are going to have a good time here. Okay? We are not going to be able to compete if nobody plays goalie. Somebody has to fucking play goalie. Okay? I'll play goalie. All right, sweet.

And then actually try. Like fuck everybody. Why am I playing goalie in this thing? Loved hockey. Street hockey. The photo that was put up during big night out of my house actually had a piping goal, hockey goal right on the garage and I would assume that there would be Top windows busted there, you know, cuz sometimes that thing gets a little

Little out of the way for me, but I never knew the players really, you know You knew the game you knew the sport never knew the players Biz I think really started opening up the world to what the hockey guys are like and hockey cultures like from those That are not in it and it's like what a coach old-school still fight. Everybody's got to have a work ethic You know, it's exhausting not every old guy They have every old stud that comes on their show are like they're the best interviews The dudes are so honest and just so just they're just yeah Just like what do you call it?

Salt of the earth guys like they just they haven't figured out they have a lot of awareness it seems like they like to have a good time. Yeah, they all drink beer. Yeah, we'll have beer. I mean, obviously having beers immediately after game. Give me a coke, please. And walking into the restaurant, make a little ball trip. Yeah, walking in double fist.

I mean, it's amazing. It's a great culture. And obviously, D. Butts team. Yep. are the current world champs. Congrats to you, D-Bud. Thank you. Good luck. Thank you.

Is that the state of hockey? Tonight, two games. The battle of Florida continues in Dallas and Colorado, which is the one that Biz said he looks to inevitably end up winning the West. Let's go back to one half of the hammer. Darn. Cowboys, bubblegum, you know.

I heard you kind of tingle a little bit back there whenever he was talking about Texas hockey, Gumpy. We got shy kicked four nothing last game in Colorado. We're still waiting for our Lord and Savior Miro Heiskenen best defenseman, possibly in the league, to come back from injury, which would help. But we got to win this one tonight to hold home court here before we head back to Colorado. All right, let's watch hockey. Let's watch some basketball and let's watch the Washington commanders move back to Washington DC.

Congratulations. There's been a lot of stories told about this stadium deal over there for the Washington football team, the Washington commanders and a Washington team name from back in the day. They had a stadium that was falling apart. Poop pipes were bursting on their own fans. People would pay 75 bucks to go watch the Washington football team lose in a football game where the weather was terrible and spend four hours there. And while they were walking out, poop pipes were bursting right on their head. So not only did the team play like shit, but they got drenched in shit on the way out. Then there would be times where teams would be walking out of

the tunnel and the barricades would be holding people up from the stadium area down to the tunnel area would just bust and people's heads would get squashed. And maybe next possibly broken. This was a falling apart stadium for a long time.

But with the previous owner, nobody wanted to give him money or do business with him. Josh Harris comes in start shaking hands. There's going to be a stadium in virginia They're going to own everything around it now They're headed back to downtown washington dc the heart of the nation's capital where I believe They were great whenever they played.

Yes. So congrats to the Washington commanders going back downtown DC getting a deal done and I assume financing for a Washington commanders team and if you're a commanders fan like you have to think to yourself wow life is so much better. All of a sudden we're liked all of a sudden we're good all of a sudden the future looks bright and all of a sudden we're returning back to our roots wherever we're good at RFK. So congratulations to the Commander's fans having a much different life now

than they had two years ago before Josh Harris, Magic Johnson, a crew by the Washington team. What a change in culture, AJ. What a change in everything. It's a completely different world for this Washington Commander's team. I mean, you talk about Josh Harris comes in by by was this just two years ago that he took over

Yeah, I mean what the the progress that they have made obviously Jane Daniels was an unbelievable draft pick and Dan Quinn hired him all helps But the fact that like they're getting back to what they were I think it's all it's pretty cool with the capital like right through there through the pipe Just like this is Indianapolis kind of done that view is it view downtown through those windows if you could oh yeah Brother whenever that windows open you can see the sky But if you're up high enough you can look through and see the city and the fact that it's back downtown DC I think Washington is a proper name for it You know cuz if they're moved to any of the DMV area the MV of the area

I think you know would you change it to Virginia or change it to the area that you're around? We all know the San Francisco 49ers are in Santa Clara But now the Washington commanders in DC with a new stadium that ain't gonna have poop pipes burst good news Mason Kinehan put out a tweet look at all the things that have happened since Josh Harris has become the owner Improved fan experience a training camp. You remember what it used to be like this new stadium naming rights deal were seven and a half million annually fees Rebuilt the entire front office and coaches to have remember what the last one was Drafted to face the franchise jayden danos. We retired darrell greens jersey. Finally. We had the best season since 1991

They made the nsc championship games. He spent over 75 million dollars repairing Commander's Field so people don't get poop in the moth. And they just announced a new $3 billion stadium at the RFK site. It's like life is good as a Commander's Field. Cut around, incredible. It's like if you're going through hell, keep on going, don't slow down. If you're scared, don't show it.

You might get out. The devil even knows you're there You're gonna get out of there Who's that? Kenny Chesey? I don't know who that was Nah, that ain't Chesey Sure? Yeah

I don't know who that was actually But I know it's not Kenny Bono? The message is just keep going, you know If you think you're in hell, you just gotta get It was not Bono, I don't know what I think I'm pretty sure it was not Bono You just gotta keep going, you know

Cause at some point you're gonna get out of that hell And congrats to the commander's fans getting out of that hell seemingly and Having a football team that you can cheer on and be proud to cheer on you know There's other teams that are currently going through hell and have been through hell they're gonna look at what's going on Washington say hey We're one pick away. Mm-hmm. I want ownership change away. There's hope so everywhere What's your dream of. Especially these fans, they were praying, wishing, hoping God, Dan Snyder get the fuck out of there. And then this new ownership group comes in and seemingly does everything right.

That rendering obviously looks amazing, but drafting, Jayden Danes was knocking that out of the park, Dan Quinn, the whole organization they've brought there. Like it done everything right. This is what you want as a fan. Like the fan experience too is probably, would assume be top-notch once they spend all that money and do the things with a new stadium. You can tell whenever

a stadium is new everything about it's better yeah everything about is better the seats are better the foods better the experience is better the lines the bathrooms are better because they figure out human flow over the last 60 years since last time this stadium was built or whatever it is new stadium is nice old stadiums tough tough tough but this team tough as well as flashy jayden daniel's got it all how about cliff kingsbury writing the note you see that stop i did see that draft the tackle from penn state or whatever please yeah oregon oregon there it is they had a little draft day moment there here's piece of paper. They saw my only thoughts. I stuck around could have been a head coach

You give me another offensive lineman protecting Daniels a little bit Zoom in good camera work big smiles So if you don't take him what they draw a dong and put it back on Cliff's desk How many notes that he put down there too? That's good question How many notes did he put down there too? That's a good question. Good point, yeah, how many? Draft Tyler Warren. Draft, what if there was 30 of them? Hey, when you get to your desk you're going to see 50 different letters. Pick the right one.

I would like this person to know that I wanted them on the team. That's good news for an offensive coordinator. Shout out to Cliff Kingsbury, shout out to Washington commanders. Okay, Hunter Renfro signing with the Panthers. Back. What a signing. Love it. He's gonna be good.

Bryce Young, I mean, they had a great second half of the season, feels like they're turning in the right direction. There was a conversation that I saw Tepper have during draft day, he sounds reasonable. How about the Carolina Panthers? You talk about hope. They did a good draft.

You talk about change. You talk about being able to be in a bad spot and then in a good spot in a matter of years. It's like, feels like the Carolina Panthers. You talk about hope. They did a draft. You talk about change. You talk about being able to be in a bad spot and then in a good spot in a matter of years. It's like feels like Carolina Panthers are there right now. It does and it always always always starts with the quarterback. We saw Bryce Young bounce back and also some resilience get back in there play some of his best football in the second half of the season and then you draft you know T-Mac which there was a lot of question marks going uh the draft about him, but no question marks about his talent. So getting a big dynamic talent like that to be out there as well. Like that.

Hunter Renfro, you know, let's see if he can get back. It was not a few years ago. He was in the debate for the best, one of the best slot wide receivers in the National Football League took a year off. A lot of times guys don't necessarily come back, you know, playing their best ball, but let's see if he can get to it. Hey, what happened on that Sunday morning show? Well, it's going we're not gonna talk about that. All right, we're not gonna talk about it. What was he promoting a book? Yeah, he was oh, we're not I think it's probably gonna be a good book. It's been here. Yeah

I've read it. We've read through a few it It's a good book. Couple of excerpts. Nope. It is a good pick. Couple of things missing. Yeah, that brought up. That was an awkward situation. That was an awkward situation. There was a couple of other situations that I don't know how often they happen in interviews like that. You know?

Like, is that normal? It's a movie. Feels like a movie. It does feel a little. Is that what it feels like? Like a script from a movie that someone would write. What kind of movie like pretty woman? No, I was not thinking that I've never seen I don't know

It's great I do love that acknowledgments was something that got brought up there Hold on What Um, hold on. What? About the author. About Bill, what's it say? Was it Ghostwriter? Margaret Heffernan is an entrepreneur, chief executive and author. She was born in Texas, raised in Holland and educated at Cambridge University.

She worked for the BBC and developed interactive multimedia products with Peter Lynch, Tom Peters, Standard & Poor's and a learning company. She has served as a CEO for InfoMation Corporation, ZineZone Corporation and ICAST Corporation. Her previous books include Beyond Measure, A Bigger Price and Willful Blindness and her TED Talks have been seen by more than 12 million people. Okay shit. Okay, so is it sit down? Yeah, yep

Got it little story about a hoodie Yeah, they're no, no, you know big, you know ties in Navy, but I know All I know is Bill's earned the right to do whatever the fuck he wants Really great coach of all time. This is a different book Bruce is saying that maybe an old car It this is uncharted. Wait, when did the book come out who put this? This was put on the wrong book but it came out of the jacket wrong jacket on it. Oh. You're right, it was good. Wow.

I read the wrong book. Good find. Does that happen? No shit. No, I think that's some sort of hijack. How often does that happen? What the fuck, dude? This thing's been sitting here for six months,

three months, whatever it is. So it's just a sleeve. It's just a sleeve. Hey, if you want just a sleeve, here's a sleeve. Yep. That's what it's gonna look like. So that's not you said you read it. You said you fucking read it Yeah Come here confused you out. You came with me. I told you books can build bills books a little confusing

We think about the future all day every day. What time do I need to leave the house? What's for breakfast? Can we picnic on a weekend? Should I change jobs? Move house? Online and offline. The news is mostly speculation. Sounds just like you. I could see that being real. What book is that? Sounds just like you. Uncharted. This is the introduction to Uncharted. It's a good movie. How to navigate the future. Who sent us this book with this back though. Who's that Margaret Thatcher who that's some dirty pool. Yeah Turns out Margaret Heffernan did not write. Okay Previous books I say wow very interesting to build with hand select her to write his yeah Now I can read the back sure because this is a part of the That's wild. There is a wild situation. Praise for the art of winning from those who have already read it.

Thank you. Greatness isn't something you're born with. It's the result of passion, dedication, and hard work. This book shares the valuable lessons about excellence in leadership that coach Belichick has learned throughout his legendary career who said it Lombardi Okay Ernie Julia Caesar Tom Brady, I Don't know if there's gonna be any Julius Caesar quotes Rob Krav. Yeah, Tom Brady was my guess Michael Jordan Wow Shit fuck. How about this one coach Belichick brought out the best in me ready book His book will do the same for you. Yes. It was done. Oh, here's one

powerful insightful and Remarkably personal Bill Belichick's the art of winning is a playbook for life Whether you are a barista a coach a parent or a CEO This book will give you all the tools you need to be successful. Every leader should read this book and read it now. That's Lambeau. Nick Saban. Jordan Schwartz, Jordan.

Aaron Rodgers. It's not Jordan, it's not Aaron Rodgers. Bill Parcell. Saban. Oh, it's a goal. It's Admiral William H. McRaven. What? McRaven, number one?

He's the number one New York Times bestselling author of Make Your Bed. Damn. Okay, first thing you do every day. It's the first decision you gotta make. Bingo. I'll tell you what, I'm not good at it. I don't do it.

That's why I wasn't in the ABC, there's a lot of reasons. Yeah. What's the point? This is Admiral William McRaven. Oh, hook him. Hook him, baby. Hook him him baby. Hook him baby. Hook him Admiral. Sarx gon' get him. Sarx gon' get him. Sarx gon' get him. I hope so. That dog will hunt. Yes he will. Especially if Admiral William McCraven's

coming around. Give him a couple speeches or two. Make your bed. Bingo. I bet you whenever he talks, boy people listen. thanks for your service Admiral thank you Admiral imagine his bed has to have the best-made bed perfect has to have it in there some rule in the military about dropping a quarter something on there yeah and being able to bounce gonna make sure you have that thing tight I'll tell you what some of these hotels they're better tucking in the sheets than others they're better at making the bed than others I feel tell you what, some of these hotels, they're better at tucking in the sheets than others.

They're better at making the bed than others. Feel like I'm a strain of hip flexor when I'm trying to get the one off the bottom right. I rip that some bitch off every single time and it's a real task getting it off. Every once in a while I'll get the one corner, I'll go all the way to the middle, for some reason I'll stop because I get lazy,

I see that it's open, I'm like, all right, I'll just kick this thing up. And every once in a while it's like, damn, this staff really, they fucking know how to do it around Oh, yeah, probably a bit they read Make your bed with Craven Admiral William McCraven is probably the reason why my hip flexors are getting pulled trying to get that lower corner out one last quote, okay

This is about the art of winning Bill but no bill Bellatrix is it? Is that book? The cover here is from the book. You know, you can't judge book by its cover. And I'll tell you what, it has never been more true. Yeah, clearly. With this right here, where the cover is actually for a different book that we got sent.

Last quote here from the back of the cover of the book. So not this book that's here, but the book that is for sale here. Okay. Bill works to be the best at whatever he does. In true to form, he has put his heart and soul into this book. It's a remarkable deep dive into the mind of a champion. Anybody who wants to improve at what they do can learn from its stories

and its wisdom It sounds like Hulk Hogan DJ it rock that's gotta be Hudson Hudson Nick Saban This one is this is this He's gotta be on the inside cover. Oh, fuck! This one, is this... Is this... Is this your... It looks a little thinner.

It's gotta be. More quotes on the back. Does he have pictures in his real book? Yeah. Formation. Hand draw. This is the art of winning, okay. Hand draw.

Here we go. There is more quotes. We gathered two since the beginning. Yeah. We got two more. So we got the OG. This could be what it could be. Yeah.

This could be what it could be. Yeah, this could be what it could be Okay, what's that? Silver circle in the front is that the Nobel Peace? Tom Brady says coach Belichick brought out the best in me his book will do the same Okay, weird that one move that from the back cover the front front. Yeah, Tom on the front No, no, it was it was okay. Okay, it was they change it to gold though from right? Make a pop a little bit more prestige. Yeah a little bit more prestige. A little bit more prestige. I will say the blue lettering instead of the gray,

good idea too. Across the top. It is much better. Yeah, it's got a little glisten to it. It's almost glistening for winning. Bill Belichick's legendary career spans nearly half of the NFL's existence. And for the first time in the art of winning,

he takes readers deep inside the philosophies that made history. Who's that? Name that one. Jim Gray. Roger Goodell. I thought it was gonna be my guess. Ding ding ding ding ding. Yes! That's good. Roger Goodell. I just felt like Rog. Let's go. Alright, the art of winning available soon. Hey, the interview was interesting. Yeah? I didn't watch. You watched the whole thing? Yeah, somebody ripped it. I think it was 847 or 8 something like that. I did watch. I just watched that 20 second clip. Yeah, I think so Was that just a little part of it? Did the other the other parts go well? Yeah, if you watch the whole thing I think there's more good than bad, but it's certainly you know, did a good job to promote the book I mean it got got out there a lot eyes

That guy did a good job interview on him. Honestly, that's kind of a weird situation positive kept it positive, too Did a good job to promote the book. I mean he got got out there a lot eyes That guy did a good job interview on him. Honestly, that's kind of a weird situation positive kept it positive, too Did you watch the whole thing? I? Believe so if it's eight something. Yeah, cuz he could have turned, you know, and he didn't yeah I thought that was a great interview. I thought I was legitimately Attitude wise everything understanding situation reality of all. But yeah, that was interesting. But how often does it happen? Like how often is there somebody for somebody,

like representation, shall we say? Probably a lot. That's what I'm thinking too. That's what I'm thinking there's a check. Representation. What? It's good cop, bad cop, right? They're a tag team.

Yeah. Hey, you say anything we don't want to talk about. I don't want to say I don't want to talk about it. I just want to talk about it. I guess them pro football talk says that there was more that was not left in there but fell obligated to put one in there because of how often it happened. Whatever the case. If he wins football games in North Carolina, nobody's going to say a damn thing. The art of winning, available sooner now. Is it out?

Do we know? Is it out yet? It's available sooner now. It could be. It's available soon or now. It's gonna be good. Can you flip through that thing real quick just to make sure? You mean like thumbprint?

Before I read that one too? Any, is there chapter headlines, like name of chapters? Oh these pages Are right in the middle? Hey not normal for a book. Oh, there's a bunch of them scattered throughout centerfold like quotes I don't know Maybe those are the buddy D, buddy You read a whole bill Belichick book and you read the whole thing and didn't realize that it didn't really sound like bill or football Yeah, a lot of time has passed bills a little different. I remember The work you did to get to the decisive moment is the work that will help you carry the day A lot of time has passed, Bill's a little different than I remember. You're right, I guess so.

The work you did to get to the decisive moment is the work that will help you carry the day. Just as you adapt to everyday challenges during the regular season, you will also need to adapt to the heightened circumstances and big moments. Smart preparation and smart game plans got you there. Don't stop preparing and game planning. And finally, fill your drawer. May 6th. It's out soon.

Yeah. I would recommend it. I assume it's going to be very motivating. Yeah. It's the greatest coach of all time. Not the greatest interview of all time. No. Can't be both. Never was.

It's going to be hard. Coach GM. All right, AJ. I'm headed off to Kansas City for Monday Night Raw. I'm going to address the Gunther situation. I think that's... I think I have to. Detect. Hey, you know, I mean, Poirier taught you, he taught you what to do. Two hands on that lever. Nope.

Then I'm wiggling out of there. Or yeah, arm up, throughout, yeah, get out. Then bam, then you get the dominant position. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's been suspended, Gunther said Adam Pearce told me that was the case. Adam Pearce, I don't think he's gonna be there this evening, but he made the suspension. What the hell? Told me that. I appreciate Adam Pierce

for doing that but you know I have a chance to chit chat tonight. Sure. About my thoughts. You know this wrestling world is crazy. Steve Austin said in the comments, you need to keep your head on a swivel kid. Yeah. And then The Rock said you need to figure out your own shit. This is wrestling world. You can't be turning your back to anybody. That's Those are two legends telling me. Hey, this is on you. This ain't on anybody else It's like Okay All right, you'll take that. I know I will you listen. That's what you got to do. Talk about the art of winning You listen right there

Available May 6th, which is right around corner right around corner You can pre-purchase this I got it already in this one right here. Yeah, I'll just read your cop If anybody needs Norma from Norma Hatfield Margaret Heffernan Uncharted how to navigate the future also For three months. How did that happen? How does that happen? It just fit perfectly.

Just it's the same. Maybe it's one of the same. Maybe it's one of the same. All right. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice that might change their life. We're in this thing together. We're back tomorrow with a big show tomorrow.

Friday, I think we're going to be live in New York. What? The city? New York. I believe we're gonna be in New York. Not upstate. Not upstate but it's beautiful this time of year. Brandon Bean said I'm about done with it. I'm listening to you guys' show right now. Sounds like 2018 again. Remember you guys wanted Josh Rosen over Josh Allen. I know you gotta make a show.

But then we just scored 30 points in our last game. You guys are bitching about us not getting wide receiver. That was awesome. Yes. I love that he did that. He has a relationship obviously with those guys. Being very personable person. And I like that he defended himself and his staff.

Like come on, man Let's look at the reality from my perspective here. What if the bills go on to win after he talks that shit? What am I got some good pieces on defense? Yeah, they got Josh Allen on offense. Mm-hmm. It's all in that What's going on with James Cook? Not that doesn't seem good. Yeah, it doesn't Think I'm Ray Davis. He's not there right not going off season stuff. Yeah Yeah, 20 M's I believe is what? Yep. Oh What's a sake one getting 20 20 he's got even more. Yeah, say one one golfing

Say one one golf. Yes, he did all people talking about him going golfing on a good decision He's anybody talking about how good of a golfer he is or we just talked to daddy one golfing? Just that he went golfing. All right, and say Quonce said I go golfing with all the president I bet he's a stick. I bet he has to be Wow, yo, those legs quads he turns that thing. I mean he gets yeah 350 those persons go Wow Love to see look look of that most, you know, commander in chief. Oh, yeah. I golf with all the presidents that are alive.

Okay. I'm going to take one Barkley. Did you see what I did last year? That's a flip. Really is. Sorry. You know what's going to happen? I like golf. The next president probably going to ask me to golf. Guess what I'm going to do? We go. I'm a the next president probably gonna ask me a golf. Mm-hmm. I guess what I'm gonna do We go. I'm a golf with this

That's what he said. Yeah, you might have a tea time with Bill Clinton next week. We don't know we have no idea There's a chance. Yeah What's that? Yeah, no golf. Yeah, that's it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Are you still golfing? Oh, yeah I saw you do a little golf thing with what's's his face? BK, HK? Yeah, my boy BK. BK. Yeah, down in Boca. The King? Had a little scramble.

At the Boca Beach, boys? Turned into, I didn't see them out there, but we had a nice beautiful, beautiful day. Beautiful weekend. I thought you, I don't know how you played the entire course. I saw that one hole that he ticked off. Part three, yep. D-Butch's. Ah, man.

Great swing. Yeah, I mean, he's totally, and then the putt, he rolls it up to like that far. Oh, yeah. Great swing. Yeah, I mean he's totally and then the putt he rolls it up to like that far. Oh yeah. Couldn't pick the ball up though with the putter. I know I felt bad about that. Yeah because there's people probably like wow give this guy a boge. Yeah. Can't pick up the ball.

Yeah that was bad. Normally you pick up the ball. I was hoping he should have edited that out. Saving me a little embarrassment but you know. We're talking about I think that's why you wanted a little. That's BK. You gotta show this guy's a human somewhere. That is BK. Alright be a friend tell a friend something nice that might change your life. We're gonna send you the other team on me

team on three raw Netflix eight o'clock Easter. I Appreciate you all so much Great work today boys Connor way to battle. Hey, appreciate it, baby Great work Watch your six out there, brother. Yeah. Yeah Okay Great work. Watch your six out there, brother. Yeah. Head on a swivel, kid. Head on a swivel, kid.

Let's go call a kid. Always be in the corner of a room. Eyes out. Face in the front door. Go call a kid. Know your exits. I will tonight. The issue with where I sit is it's right in the middle of everything.

That's right. Yeah. A lot of people in my six. And to my nine And to my three. Yeah, not nearly as many people to my noon We're spiked. Everybody else is actually where I can't see Spike calls like Especially with his exactly cut his shit up. Holy shit

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