The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1334 - Shams Charania, Tom Wilson, Chargers GM Joe Hortiz, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

On today’s show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys recap all of last night’s playoff action in both the NBA and NHL, including the Lakers being eliminated by Ant Edwards and the TWolves, and look ahead to tonight’s tilts. Joining the show to chat about all the different machinations going on in the NBA, as well as some off season quick hits. Next, RW and A for the Washington Capitals, Tom Wilson joins the show to chat about his style of play, being teammates with Ovechkin, the Capitals being on a potential Stanley Cup run, being left off the Canadian 4 Nations team and the excitement it brought the sport, and more. Later, 2x Super Bowl Champion, General Manager of the Los Angeles Chargers, Joe Hortiz joins the show to chat about the Chargers’ draft, Justin Herbert, resigning Khalil Mack, his process for picking players, and more. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, The Thunderdome. On this, it's my Thursday, May 1st, 2025. This program starts now. Sports are happening all around us. Obviously the playoffs are taking place for the NBA and the NHL. We'll have full recaps and chit chats about what's going on tonight. And we have some massive guests. Yes, yes. Fresh off of the Capitals winning their first series against the Montreal La Habata Canadians, Tom Wilson of the Washington Capitals.

Yes, son of a bitch, Tom Wilson. Will be joining us in about 40 minutes or so. He's incredibly handsome. He's Canadian. He's been playing hockey in the NHL for about 12 and a half years or so. Got drafted in 2012, played in the playoffs. Now it's 2025. Do you count the playoffs? Do you not count the playoffs? half years or so. Got drafted in 2012, played in the playoffs. Now it's 2025.

Do you count the playoffs? Do you not count the playoffs? 13 years or so. He has been a goon for Ovechkin in Washington. Now, whenever you hear the word goon, you think to yourself, oh, he must stink at hockey. Ah, this dude's unbelievable at hockey. He's incredibly handsome.

He's wildly tough, willing to fight you, and he is a freight train. This guy is everything that you would want as a hockey player Especially if he's playing for your team and if you're like the Pittsburgh Penguins who are the Washington Capitol's biggest rival for a long time You hate everything about this guy cannot wait to chitchat with him in 39 minutes or so about their upcoming task of trying to take on 25,000 plus Caniacs in Carolina. They are underdogs heading into the next series against Carolina Hurricanes. How do they feel about that? We shall see.

Sean Serrano will be joining us in about 19 minutes to chit chat about everything going on in the NBA. Heard Reggie Miller's taking production meetings to the air. That's what he said. He took his production meeting with JJ and said, I actually had to calm down JJ in the production meeting.

He was acting a little immature. Okay, Reggie, you've done a lot for this this city I'm a big fan of Reggie Miller feel like those production meetings are supposed to be sacred ground at least in our sport it is we'll talk to Shams about that what's gonna happen with LA this was a massive disappointment for the Lakers I would assume what do they do next and also Anthony Edwards is that guy yeah oh yeah is the NBA prepared for Anthony Edwards to be the guy? Sean will tell us all about it.

He is fun to watch. He is an absolute dog. Took a victory lap around LA last night. Just walked around with a couple of his friends outside in the streets. Just let him know, what I hear Lakers in five. You heard that a lot. Then whenever we were up three one, they said Lakers in seven.

How about this? Wolves in five. And let's keep it moving. I'm excited to watch what he's able to do. Can he lead that team all the way to the NBA finals to take on the Pacers potentially, the Cavs potentially, the Celtics, maybe, maybe the Knicks. We shall see. I'm excited for this guy to be a part of our sports world for at least the next

10 years. Just an absolute beast. An incredible basketball player, Moxie through the roof and he hasn't changed one bit Which some people probably are mad about we here at our particular program Absolutely love can't wait to catch up with Shams about all things NBA and then next hour We got the general manager the run of NFL general managers continues here the week after the draft is a good time to catch up With them Joe Hortiz of the Los Angeles Chargers will chitchat about some of the decisions He had to make to continue to build that culture in Harbaugh's image they bring in Omarion Hampton which a lot of people thought was maybe the number one running back even though Ashton Gentry was clearly the

Number one running back this conversation got started What were they focusing on what do they need to do next year? And how's that building that we got to see yeah that owner spent like 300 million or something building a practice facility You never ever see that happen in a modern world house Ortiziz feel about the team? How's Harbaugh doing? And we'll chitchat with him in the next hour now the talkstick was here at Boston Connor Naty Schmidt con man Great time for sports right now. Yeah, unbelievable the whole Anthony Edwards conversation is sweet But again last night for me the hockey kind of took over right off the bat You know Alexander Ovechkin in the Capitals Canadians game

You know you expect over to do something cool, but power play face-off 1-t, you really can't draw it up better than that. It's something watching Ovechkin. Like we're talking about how great is some of the young players are. Jesus and how sweet he is. And Chucky's a dog. Chucky's a dog, you know, I mean, Marchand, don't even get me started. We'll get there. But Ovechkin, just watching him still doing it for the Capitals and sweet bands to make a dance. Mr. Bands I forget how to say his actual name He had the second goal which would end up being the game winner because they end up winning four to one Tom Wilson Had a goal and an assist actually an assist on the second one

Yeah, those stats that he just did in that first game, of course, La Javi Tolz mothers, I believe love OV who knows if this is from the playoff series. I assume this was probably during one of the, you know, hockey teams, mothers weeks as they do with travel. But yeah, look at that five games in the playoff so far. Ovechkin's got four goals, five points, 19 shots, 19 hits. This guy's 39 years old. He's the greatest goal scorer of all time. And you know, from something like that, he also shows up in the biggest moments. The capital is going on a run would be huge for hockey. The next game was Panthers lightning. Obviously the Panthers, you know,

the team, they just won the cup. This is the battle for Florida It wasn't a battle whatsoever the the cats blew him out. It ended up being kind of close in the second It was a 3-3 game and then Sam Bennett right off the power play rather penalty kill He comes in snipe for three and that also was you know ended up being the game winner because the lightning could not score again the Florida Panthers are going on another run folks don't look now they added Marsha and it was incredible what Marsha was doing last night this was their fifth goal I believe Marsha and just I've been here before one time or goal five three see you guys later Chuckie said after the game you know we're talking about this rivalry of

Florida it's ain saying a rivalry folks Okay, this is back-to-back years now the Florida Panthers eliminate the Tampa Bay Lightning I think both of them were in five games as well. So that's a blowout. That's a gentleman's sweep Yeah, Chuck said it's a robbery. Yeah, everybody saw about floor robbery. That's cute Bug windshield type situation is what Chucky said down there and I like that because the bolts had their run Oh, yeah, and now it feels like the Florida Panthers gonna have their run and if there is Jay Butler was here He would say we're the state of hockey brother, which is crazy to think about what's going on down in Florida Yeah, it's ridiculous, especially because Tampa I believe they were the higher seed in this series

It's not as if Tampa was kind of squeaking in with a with a wild-card spot Tampa was a very good team in the Panthers, they just kind of have that experience. They're rolling right now and they beat the breaks off the Lightning. The last game last night was the Jets Blues. The Winnipeg Jets got it done. Kyle Connor, who also was a Four Nations player for Team US, he got it rolling.

Couple of Snipes, I believe he ended up with three points, had two assists in the game as well. The Winnipeg Jets are rolling the kind of story of this game though was the Winnipeg Jets player. I want to say Mark Scheffley. I might be saying Scheffley his last name something along those lines. He got hurt and the coaches kind of got into a post game. Monty Jim Montgomery a store coach in the NHL also the coach the Bruins fired midseason this year he goes to st. Louis they end up going on a run making the playoffs he said after the game you know one of their their best players you know he got hurt from a certain hit the other

coach for the Jets he basically came out, Oh, I didn't know Monty had his PhD in anatomy. This guy, this guy's calling out injuries and when he gets it. So that's, that's kind of the story there. But no, the NHL playoffs have been incredible. Yeah, they certainly have. They continue tonight. Leafs, senators, golden Knights, wild Knights are up three, two. Are they going to be able to put the wall away? And it's huge that this one is in the Midwest. So we got a 730 puck drop and not a 1030 puck. Texas hockey against the Avalanche. That's become a little bit of a series there. Texas hockey can put that away.

A three, two in Colorado and then LA in Edmonton is the nightcap on ESPN. The NHL playoffs have been showing up just like the NHL playoffs always show up. Yeah. You talk about coaching beef. Steve Kerr's bitching again. Oh wow. I feel like that. The sky's blue too.

Steve Kerr is whining a little bit about what's going on with Steph Curry. Steph Curry's thumb, obviously a big talking point right now because Steph Curry's a shooter, so his hand having any type of injury is obviously worthy of chatter. The Golden State Warriors social media team put out this photo.

So we obviously talk about the NFL social media teams. We don't have a great relationship with a lot of the NFL social media team put out this photo. So we obviously talk about the NFL social media teams. We don't have a great relationship with a lot of the NFL social media teams because the NFL social media teams are social media degree havers, which what does that mean? Okay, nothing. That means they wasted their time in college learning about what social media used to be because social media is literally changing every single day. So a lot of these young kids who have these social media degrees, you know, they kind of bamboozle these old heads and say, we got your social media understood.

But if they don't know ball, they can really lead you astray. Now, I don't know what Golden State Warrior social media team is, okay, I don't know the NBA social media team, I don't know how they go about hiring process. But if you put your team into a situation where they have to answer some questions, if you release a photo, it looks super cool, but don't realize like the storyline of this entire thing is if he's healthy or not, and then that thumb makes its way onto the internet. There's gonna be people that are gonna wonder,

this has now become a massive storyline with the Houston team, because Houston's been attacking his thumb. Dillon Brooks, obviously bad guy around the NBA, formerly of the Memphis Grizzlies, now on a young scrappy Houston Rockets team. He said, if I had bad ankle, they'd be attacking my ankle. If I had bad shoulder, they'd be attacking my shoulder if I had bad shoulder they'd be attacking my shoulder and I'm gonna say

to Dylan Brooks's point I'm not normally on that guy's side because he seems like he's just a big goon but that's a hundred percent right like if if a guy's hand is potentially injured and he is the greatest shooter in the history and that team is potentially gonna live or die on whether or not that guy's gonna be able to hit and I can reach in and potentially grab a ball and also get a little bit of a shot on that. I'm probably gonna do that. I'm not saying it's right,

I'm just saying that's what competition actually is, and that's how athletes view things. Steph Curry has yet to say a single thing about it. He said, well, obviously, I don't know what you're talking about. He just goes out there, runs five miles back and forth. The NBA showed up as well. So shout out to Steph battling through, shout out to Houston Rockets doing her thing, and shout out to

Ant-Man, you know, kind of putting the Lakers to sleep. Yeah. Well obviously talk to Shams in about 10 minutes or so to see what his thoughts are on all of it around the LA story, but this Anthony Edwards dude is the guy. It is so much fun to watch him. Now I know you're shaking your head because of Tatum. Tatum is so boring, so I think that is kind of the reason why Tatum isn't the face of the league at this point. Anthony Edwards has so much moxie on the court, off the court. Now he has made some mistakes. I think he's a young man who has a lot of dog in him. So there's going to be some situations that come with that. You know, not everybody

who is blessed with a dog mentality and a go get it moxie are going to make all the right decisions all the time, especially whenever you're in a spotlight. So I think he would even say 10, 15 years from now that he hasn't handled every situation perfectly off the court. But watching him on the court in a way he leads that team in a way that team kind of rallies around the way he plays the way the city appreciates the way he plays knocking out that Lakers team. And I know the conversation everywhere else is the Lakers are done, the Lakers are done

and we will certainly have that combo because LeBron conversation happened with us and We're very lucky and thankful to be a part of this Lakers season this year But this dude deserves all the conversation and all the credit on on That you can give them I think personally not just on the internet on TV all the time He's fun, and I like the Minnesota Timberlake social media team now you talk about a social media team kind of getting it They they pulled out a LeBron James quote Where LeBron said you know whenever I feel like somebody is in better shape to me or running better than me on a court Then it might be time to kind of hang it up

And then they just cut to Anthony Edwards clip of him walking down a hallway saying hell Yeah, I want to go one-on-one with Braun anybody that's saying it don't I want a dog Braun like that is what I want to Be this guy is the one one of the ones now. What the future look like? I think it's very bright for the NBA. But the face of the league type conversation that is happening, that people are trying to force upon things, that's like a nickname. I don't think nicknames are just like kind of made up by the person, I think it kind of just takes over in itself.

This is gonna be one of the guys. And as somebody that appreciates dogs, I think we talk about it more than any other sports show, I appreciate the way this guy goes about doing his business. I appreciate his mindset. And I appreciate the fact that they're winning, even though they're not the team that is necessarily spending all the money to try to build up that roster. No, and you mentioned it. I love like the fact that he's in Minnesota and he's not in LA or New York or like Chicago, Chicago, massive market. Like that's awesome.

And I also think with all this stuff about him being like the one of the future faces of the NBA, that's why it's huge that A-Rod is one of the owners now. Like you have a guy who was, you know, I mean, steroid stuff aside and he'll never get into the Hall of Fame, but like he was, he was the guy in baseball for a long time and he understands that whole process. So like, and he said, like he has a great relationship with Ant, kind of understands like they're going to do whatever they can to kind of maximize This window and make sure that you know I mean Minnesota back when Kevin Garnett was there like it was kind of the same deal and they never got it done

But now I think they understand and we've seen what he's done in the playoffs the last several years like they understand what they have In him and I think they're really gonna maximize this next this next 10 to 12 Great highlight there for Anthony Edwards. Not great for Luca on that particular play. Genius IQ, who I don't know, it's a new stats giver I guess on the internet. I have no idea where they are. I hit their home page. It looks very expensive so I would trust their data. Genius IQ, good name. I think a brand name. They said that Luca had the most blow buys or got blown by the most out of in the history of playoffs or something Last night and this we go right back to what Nico was saying in Dallas and as you watch the game and JJ's decisions on Subbing it's like everything that was talked about between the Dallas Mavericks and Los Angeles Lakers trade the reason for the trade How JJ is it's all just kind of combusting today. So a lot of Minnesota Timberwolves fans,

I think are talking about like, come on, we just, we're Pacers fans. So I understand completely, like Pacers weren't talking about, oh, it was the Bucks. Why did they lose it? Why? And Tyrese's dad, it was never like the Pacers just outplayed him, just beat the hell out of the Bucks. There's no conversation about that. So I can see how Wolves fans would be upset, but the biggest storyline of the year was that trade. And then for that trade to end up working out exactly how, you know, I think the haters of the trade kind of wanted it to work. It's a fascinating sitch. That's why I can't wait to hear from Shams. The NBA is obviously on fire. We got two more games this evening. Knicks and Pistons. That's gonna be a dog

fight. Here we go. Yeah. Knicks are currently up 3-2, but the Pistons will punch you in the face. I mean that is legitimately what the and Pistons, that's gonna be a dog fight. Here we go. Yeah. Knicks are currently up 3-2 but the Pistons will punch you in the face. I mean that is legitimately what the Detroit Pistons will do and then we got Nuggets Clippers which has been a phenomenal series. Joker on the right there number 15 on the graphic if you don't know who he is obviously that is a man who is an absolute dog has been a champion before. Coach and GM fired about 10 days before the playoff start, two weeks ago in the playoffs Plus he has become player coach GM for the Nuggets at number 15 right there. They are favored by six and a half tonight. They are currently up three two. They could win this series against the Clippers even though

the Clippers have come uh kind of had a surgeons here through the playoffs with health with that guy Kawhi Leonard. That's right behind Joker there James Harden playing ball and then on the other side, Jalen Brunson is about to get beat up for another four quarters by this Pristons team. Can the Knicks handle it? Let's go to a man who's a Behind the glass member of the hammer Don podcast and he's a utility player here at the Thunderdome He's former horse owner. So he'll tell us about the Kentucky Derby that's happening this weekend Obviously, we all knew that and he also has some boxing

Sweet science stats to chit chat about here today. Nick's have a chance to put this away. Are you worried about the Pistons beating them up though? That is literally what the Pistons basketball is. I'm certainly worried. If they don't win tonight in game six, it goes back to the garden game seven, a la last year with the Pacers where they basically ran ran out of gas in front of the home crowd. I could see that happening here where we either lose in seven to the Pistons and you know vibes are low where even if we Do win in six or seven against the Pistons? We're gonna get swept by boss by boss Connors fucking Celtic. Yep There is no real hope you Why doesn't tips cut that it should yeah, I think that's maybe he needs to do that

I was watching a game the other night on my egg. I no chance. It's America's last great comb over I don't think it's come over though. Well, yeah come over would be from one side to the other That's from middle ahead to yes left middle of hold it on. Yeah. Yeah, it's like paints it on I respect that he's doing it But there is a moment where I assume every single day where he looks at that where he goes I should just get rid of I should just maybe puts the rally head on. Maybe, maybe he puts a rally head on here to slow down the pistons. And he just shaves that thing off. Just go with the Jefferson.

Just, just make sure he has that thing around the top. He's got to do something. It's been dysfunctional all year, despite the 51 wins. It's been dysfunctional in this series against the Pistons culminating in, you know, Brunton and Hart being out with three minutes left and not being able to sub back in cause we burned their timeouts and they both got injured on the same play and then yada yada yada we're kind of a mess but the Timberwolves front office deserves a ton of credit too for we basically traded four cat Carl Anthony Towns from them and exported all of our dogs Julius

Randall Dante even I saw him making some shots. Yeah, they're both perfect complimentary pieces to put around that alpha dog, Anthony Edwards. They're the real deal, and we're, you know, the question now is can this Knicks team be as good or better than last year's Knicks team? And it doesn't feel like we can. Oh, it feels like the East is gonna run through Boston, Cleveland, or Indiana.

I saw a lot of Cavaliers fans saying, you talked to Tyrese, why don't you talk about the Cavs? We have. Okay, watch the show, don't just watch clips, have a little bit of respect for the biz. One half of the hammer, done. Cowboys, AP tone. What are we looking at whenever it comes to

gambling odds on this NBA? If you want, we could start right there. The Cavs-Pasers series has been, you know, it's already set in stone, that's what's gonna happen in the second round. The Cavs are minus 500 to win that series, which is interesting. No respect for the sirs from the books What's that all about? What is all that all about? Cavs are really good. I understand They've been really good all season too. Yeah, but their record Pacers record for the last 50 games

Very similar So I'm not saying that the Cavs didn't have a much better season because before all-star break The Cavs are much better than the Pacers were before the all-star break but coming Into the playoffs the Pacers were hot Cavs obviously remained hot I guess they're just more consistent is that why people have talked about that for the whole season as opposed to just post all-star break Yeah, I see me just because they haven't really shown Any sort of weakness but even coming into the postseason they weren't as Dominant as they were kind of early on and even towards the

middle of the year so minus 500 is insane i just assume uh there's a lot of money coming in on them uh for game one is my assumption just because of how good they are something i found interesting also in the betting markets um tonight two teams that are both up three two would be the next the nicks and the nuggets both those teams are dogs tonight Okay, so the I mean you're so the books are assuming potentially both those teams could lose tonight and they go to 3-3 But for the series the Knicks are minus 520 to win the series Okay, and then Denver's minus 200 to win the series so both those teams who were up three two are dogs tonight But they're heavy favorites still to win this so they say it's going to seven, but they need to be at home

They need to get home quickly to kind of do this because Detroit's going to be a tough bar. Brother Detroit's going to be rocking. We haven't won a home playoff game. The Pistons have not won a home playoff game since 2008. And then after what happened last time at home, the ref screwed us. They're going to be going absolutely bonkers. So I expect it to be a good game tonight. And then you think about the Clippers, that's the Intuit dome there.

That's going to be rocking as well. tonight and then you think about the Clippers. That's the Intuit dome there That's gonna be rocking as well So the sportsbooks think once the team the higher seeded teams get back home here They're gonna be able to close it out. But look for two game seven series in the NBA. I think I think if you ask Adam Silver he'd be like All right We like that we like 414141 basically happening everywhere to get a couple game sevens would be a beautiful thing For the NBA. Yeah, that's every game tonight to with the playoffs NBA and NHL every team every series tonight is a

3-2 series so we could legitimately see six game sevens force tonight between Joining us now is senior NBA insider for ESPN, friend of the program, ladies and gentlemen, the ever handsome Shams Charanya. Yeah, Shams. Shams, how you doing, brother? I'm good, can you guys see me? Can you guys hear me? Are we good?

We're having some camera issues. Yeah, I think- Gotta make sure it's all good. I see the tank is back though. Yeah, well, Indy 500, it's May in Indianapolis. You know, it's the greatest month a city can have is May in Indy because it all culminates with the Indy 500. I believe this is the 109th running of the Indy 500

coming here at the end of the month. But all month leading up to it, there's just events basically every single day celebrating our city, celebrating the race. And I just got this fresh tank from the wife yesterday and it's May, you know, so I might as well. Shout out to Sam. Yeah, shout out to Sam. Shout Shout out Sam. Shout out Mrs. McAfee show on Instagram and X, even though she doesn't use X ever. Nonetheless, basketball. We got a couple

game seven possibilities here. He just talked about the odds of tonight, both underdogs, the teams that are down 3-2 are supposed to win. They're favored to win. Game seven though, 7 though both nuggets and Knicks back at their home Barn scheduled to win if you go by what the odds are to win the series How should we be viewing these games tonight? Do we think that the Clippers at home or a problem? Do we think that the Pistons after what happened last game or a problem? How do you kind of see these going is there any injury reports that we need to know before we bet on any of these games? Yeah, so as far as Detroit,

still don't know if Isaiah Stewart, their big man, he hasn't played for most of this series. He's dealing with a knee issue. Don't know yet if he's going to be available to play tonight. But he's missed the last few games. If Beef Stewart's back in there, we thought it was physical before. Oh yeah.

Beef Stewart's going to bring the pain. He's going to beat the hell out of them. It seems unlikely, but we'll see. Can't I just go out there and take six vows? You know, good strategy, actually. Yeah, just some MCDC added ACDC concert last night. Shout out to him enjoying his time. MCDC would have Beef Stew out there.

All right, let's start this game. You're actually taking the jump ball, but you're not jumping. Just low bridge. All right, we'll take a foul. Yeah, I guess tech. Sorry about it. Let's keep it moving beef stew though is an enforcer right a game changer for you guys Yeah, he's an enforcer. He's been one of our guys all year long I'd actually like it if they kept him on the bench and then stolen cold glass hits and then he comes out there He hits Bronson. He hits heart. He hits cat like actually punches them as you're talking. Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely

I'd love that everything Detroit wants to see tonight. Hey Sean, they're physical I was watching a I haven't seen much of the Pistons this year I apologize Kade I guess is a baller and obviously Fox he keeps me updated on it all So yeah, definitely. I don't feel obligated to have to watch their games. They are physical like Jalen Brunson has at least one to two dudes Hitting him every time he has the ball his little run through around fade at like the free throw line is basically what he has to do. Piston's been playing that way all year. Is this the new norm in the NBA? Because I think I saw the New York Times talking about

made basketballs too physical right now. Is that a conversation that's actually taking place? We, this, I think it's good for the game. I mean, the fact that to me it shows competitiveness, the parity in the league right now that exists like guys want to win clearly and you're seeing it and I actually like when they're able to have a little level of physicality again. There's there's Levels to how much can you allow how much you don't want to like you don't want guys to spill over You don't want fans to get involved with players and stuff to fill spill into the to the crowd

But this is it's good for the game overall want fans to get involved with players and stuff to spill into the crowd. It's good for the game overall but I think with the Pistons, I spoke to Cade Cunningham before the start of the playoffs. He told me they've embraced this bad boys Pistons, the old bad boys Pistons from the 80s and 90s. They've embraced that and I think what Cade Cunningham told me is when you're in Detroit, you know it, you feel it and you want to actually make good on what that old bad boy's culture is about. So I think this group, and it probably starts with guys like Isaiah Stewart, Jaylen Durin,

Tobias Harris coming over from Philadelphia. He got a lot of flack in Philly the last few years, and then he's come in, played such a big role for them as a leader. And what we've seen from guys like Malik Beasley, Tim Hardaway Jr., it's all surrounding a guy that to me probably is gonna be an all NBA player, gonna be a guy that's gonna be a face of that franchise and a face of one of the young faces of this NBA in Cade Cunningham.

He's the real deal, he's all about winning. You see the fabrics of what it takes to win all in him. This series could easily be three, the other way for Detroit's and Denver and the Clippers that's a very tightly contested series, too So tonight, I think we have two series that could easily go seven games I'm excited to watch tonight shot to the NBA delivering Obviously, I wait a joker the coach GM and star that team over there. Is that accurate? Well, Nikola Jokic the moment that that firing happened. I think what we've seen

Even before then he was a little bit vocal But he's he's he's been unleashed and and when I talk to people on Denver They say Nikola Jokic is finally comfortable with the power with influence, with who he is as a player and before I think we hadn't seen him as maybe demonstrative or as vocal but right now he's showing it and I don't think it's like the power that he feels like he can yield right like it's not like oh I'm gonna fire this coach I'm gonna trade this player it's like how can I influence my teammates like this is the first time I think we've seen Nikola Jokic's career where he is going about it every night and he's trying to influence how his teammates are behaving,

how they're playing. And it's not going to be a guy like Jamal Murray. Him and Jamal Murray have a long relationship and I think there is a level of trust with Jamal Murray that when the lights are on the brightest, Jamal Murray is going to show up. And he has, at least last game he did. But you see Nicola Yogi's talking to some of his younger teammates and everyone in that roster he is as vocal as we've ever witnessed and this is someone that's never this vocal. I'm happy to see that and Joker needs to know and I assume he'll experience this by himself just like he did with that parade you know whenever they told him that after they won championship that the parade was like three days away he

was like oh I don't want to wait. I got horse race to go back to. And then he gave speech at the parade. He goes, I know I say, I don't want parade after a parade. I want parade. Like, I think we like through experiences, he learns that maybe like, um, enjoying, uh, the fruits of his labor isn't a bad thing. I think we saw that with the parade.

But also him opening up like this more, I think he's gonna realize that people are gonna think that he cares more. Like that is gonna be the natural reaction from people. Cause in that kind of conversation, like this guy's so good, he's unbelievable, but he doesn't seemingly care. And we know that he cares,

has to care to get that good at basketball. The amount of time that he has to spend off season to get to be as good of a player throughout his life that he is, he has to care to get that good at basketball. The amount of time that he has to spend off season to get to be as good of a player throughout his life that he is, he has to care. But once you're more vocal and more demonstrative and start showing things, I think it's just more natural for people that don't necessarily know you to be like,

oh, that guy's invested entirely. And I think that's awesome if we're in the era of Joker becoming like a little bit more of a person. Good for the NBA, I think, from what I've heard. I think he's probably a hilarious human being. Yeah. I would assume Joker has a great personality. He's obviously an incredible basketball player but if he's gonna be start being a little bit more assertive I think that's good for the NBA as a whole. Now let's pivot to last night. Not good for the NBA. No. Not good for the NBA. I know you were pulling for it. I know Adam Silver was pulling for it.

Luca Edwards was not pulling for it, I'll tell you that. And Edwards is one guy that was not pulling for it. And I'm pulling for Anthony Edwards forever, by the way. Whenever he's playing for Team USA, whenever he's playing for whatever team he's playing, if it's gonna be the Timberwolves for his entire career, which I think would be a very cool story, especially in this modern basketball world, I will be pulling for him. Luca, LeBron though, exit, first round exit in five games. Obviously there were some moments last night that are going to highlight Luca's inability to try on defense or inability to play defense,

which is what Nico was mentioning whenever he decided to make this trade and since this trade has happened. When Luca gets traded to the L Lakers Obviously Luca went to the finals last year with the Mavericks and they don't make it to the finals and they don't win a championship It has been a full-on this was a catastrophe For the Lakers this year going into the all-star break before the trade happened or whatever I don't think the Lakers were that good they get Luca all of a sudden expectations now our championship JJ Reddick is getting judged harshly because of how things are getting handled. Even by Reggie Miller about production meetings, which I didn't know was a lot.

I love Reggie. Reggie's done a lot for Indiana. I'm not saying anything, but I didn't know that was like how your guys' sport works. Ours doesn't work like that. But with that being said, Lakers being out, is this considered a massive failure by all parties? And what happens in the offseason now going forward I

Think everyone expected. I mean everyone was was predicting right the Lakers the win like from a media perspective I guess you think about fan perspective and Anthony Edwards in the tomorrow's organization I remember talking to people in Minnesota before the series started and they're like why is everyone picking the Lakers? We literally had one less win than them, right? And you think about the seedings that went on in the Western Conference between two or about three and eight, it really just jumbled up. There was one game separating them. So even though the Lakers were the three seed, Minnesota was the sixth seed, there wasn't

much difference in this team. I think what we saw here was you have to give, first of all, a lot of credit. He I don't know Dragon Slayer is the right term. You think about who he's beaten the last couple years in the playoffs. LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, Luka Dacic now this year. He's taking it to some big-name players in this league. At such a young age, and when I talk to people in Minnesota, they talk about someone, even though he might not have the best shooting night sometimes, he's emerged as a leader of this team.

He's emerged as the guy that when the going gets tough, you can rely on him. This team got a lot of flak during the season. Julius Randall took a lot of it too, but he's looking like a great get for them Rudy go bare last night played amazing So this is a real team, but when I look at it from the Lakers perspective Look at not just said last night. He's still dealing with like exhaustion mentally and he needs rest and he needs That trade it changed everything for him for the Lakers for the Maver, obviously. And I think we saw him, he's continuing to deal with that. I'm sure he's going to still need some time to deal with the closure. But this is a team that JJ Reddick has said it, Anthony Davis said it before he got traded,

LeBron James has said it. They needed a center and they need a big man. And that's going to be their number one focus in the offseason is going and finding a center You know, this is as simple as I can put it The Timberwolves had Nas Reid Rudy go bear and Julius Randall at center the Lakers had Jackson Hayes and That's who they played at center in this series. And if you think back that's not Like that has been the Lakers kind of Achilles heel throughout this entire thing Which is why I assume a D set it before he got traded and why I think we all would assume that this would end up happening for the Lakers because LeBron's teams

make moves especially if LeBron thinks that it's something that is a necessity right so we assume that's gonna happen with the Lakers who would be available yeah I mean I think it's a little early on names I mean there's you go the free agent route do you go the trade route route? Do you go the trade route? They do have some draft picks. The one thing the Lakers can say is they've got flexibility. They've got some contracts you can trade. They've got two or three first round picks they can move.

So they have an ability if they wanna explore trades, but what player out there will make a difference? Obviously they made the trade for Mark Williams. Rescinded that. But that is gonna be the number one focus for the Lakers. And JJ Redick spoke to it after the game, before the game, like he can be better too. rescinded that but that is gonna be the number one focus for the Lakers and JJ Redick spoke to it after the game before the game like he can be better too and whether it's inexperienced and you think about that game for when when JJ

Redick played his entire group in the second half you know that was clearly a gamble that he made and I think some of the players on the team could have also looked at it and said you know we probably needed a breather there, but the coach rode with us and he kept us in there If JJ ready could do it over again, he probably makes a sub in the second half But again, that's the part of being a first-time head coach He showed a lot of signs of being a really really good coach in the NBA. I appreciate that he also Isn't just a cookie cutter press conference.

You know, it was a big stir whenever he gave the answer he gave about consulting with his assistant coaches because the way he took the question was, so you think I'm a idiot? You think I'm an absolute idiot is what I'm hearing. And then, you know, J.J. Rettig from the stories we've heard about how ultra competitive he is, inside his brain, he starts going,

this guy thinks he knows basketball more than I do. This this person so that probably gives him a little bit of uh I'm just I'm just assuming what Jay as this person is indicating that JJ doesn't know ball is how JJ Reddick is going to take it JJ doesn't know how to do his job there's people that are on his bench that know how to do his job better than him maybe that is how JJ takes that question I'm not saying that's how the question was meant feels like probably was but if it wasn't meant that way I think that is how JJ takes it then JJ gives the answer. You don't think I consult with my assistant coaches every single time we have a time out and then he like basically uh ends his press conference at that morning or at that moment walks out so then he stormed out he's this then

Reggie Miller said he was acting immature or something like that. Do we have that clip of Reggie Miller saying that? I keep, people keep saying that. I didn't hear it. We do not have the clip either. Wendy is the one that reported it on get up this morning. It's like I, I don't, I love JJ Reddick. He was good to us. We had him on the show. He was very nice to us. I like he's a former player that's running this thing I like that. He was getting absolutely murdered whenever he was hired Like this could have been his dream job to be an mba a coach to be a coach when he got hired It was just a murder scene. Then he gets the team good gets the team playing well, obviously they make a massive trade for a great player and he continues to just not act like a

Cookie cutter person that they want him to act. So I appreciate that. Do you think there is going to be a change in JJ Reddick though the way he acts? Do you think they're going to like put the clamps on him and tell him he's going to have to act differently? Like I don't know how the NBA works. Like why Adam Silver say like hey can't have you just like tell the reporters they're doofuses basically whenever you do this. Can't have you doing this or will they let JJ continue to be JJ and is everybody excited about the possibilities of JJ being an actually a potentially a good coach as opposed to how he's being painted right now? Anyone that knows JJ Reddick knows he will only

be himself at all times. There's no really adjusting with him as a from personality perspective but what I will say is and he's spoken to it it, this was his first year as a head coach in the NBA. He's a rookie head coach. So any person that starts anything, whether when you first started out, when I first started out, we're different from our first day, our first year to when we develop as we get lessons, as we continue to grow. And I think what we're going to see from JJ Reddick in the off the offseason Next season the years to come is a refined version of how he is now

You're never gonna get rid of that grit that he has you're never gonna get rid of that edge You're never gonna get rid of that Lebron. This is in Lebron James words, and I think this is what he said He said JJ Reddick is a dickhead. This is really what Lebron James said so I didn't say it. I promise I didn't say it I said right here. He said it right here. Yeah on your show thank you yeah he said it on TMS so he said it that's everyone knows around the NBA what JJ Reddick is like now what you can refine is some of the things you learn in games and then there were some stories you know him breaking clipboards during training camp and during the early you know parts of practice and those are things that over time how do you channel that in the best way?

And I think everyone around the NBA, and he might, and he might, and he might be breaking clipboards every single year. But at the end of the day, it's about, do you get buy-in from your players? Do your, do your players understand where you're coming from? Do your players respond to what you're teaching. There's never going to be a commissioner call like we need JJ Reddick to change. There's never going to be like anyone in that Lakers organization telling JJ Reddick we need you.

JJ Reddick is JJ Reddick, but how can you refine? And I think there's a lot of confidence in that organization around the NBA. A lot of people are high on JJ Reddick. I would assume his coaching style is going to remain the same, but I assume just because he's not going to want to have to deal with the bullshit. Like having them attack him for being immature and everything, he's probably going to be like, okay, it would be nice. It might be nice if that's not in my life going forward. So might change the way he does deal with press. And I'd like to say we're going to call him boring. If he gets

to a boring point, I'm not going to be happy about us changing him okay I'm not gonna be happy about getting boring answers out of JJ Reddick hopefully that never takes place but uh hey good luck JJ it was your first year you're gonna be judged off the success you have first round exit first year yikes well it's the Lakers job too though and the Lakers job is judged by championships or busts especially when you have Luka Dacic and the guy that we haven't even spoken about yet LeBron James And that's the other you know big elephant in the room for the Lakers. Yeah, what is it? He's playing right? What are we? What's the what is the elephant in the room? I

Mean for sure it how long is the bond is gonna play there's there's there's no expectation for LeBron James to retire I will say that. My sense, my understanding is he will play at least another NBA season. You think about next year, 2025-26. It'll be year 23 that would set a league record. Year 23 for number 23. The all-star game is in Los Angeles. He's potentially playing in Los Angeles. There's a lot of stars that would align for next season, potentially, if that's what LeBron James decides. He'd be 41 years old in December. He's 40 years old right now. So the expectation is he's going to be playing at least another season. But again, how long? And the other thing, Pat, is does the Bryce James, his son, does that factor play into it at all? His son is going to be potentially draft eligible in 2026 next year. So if he feels at some point next year, Bryce James might be an

NBA player, might be a draft eligible player, does he extend that window? I think that's the only potential caveat that you think of out there that could keep LeBron James even longer than at least one more year. We saw his answer last night. He's very non-committal. Every time a Lakers season, or really a Cavs season in the past, a Miami Heat season in the past has ended since he's been like 25, 26. What he's been saying is, I'm going to take time with my family.

I'm going to talk to my advisors, my support system, and I'm going to come back and I'm going to make a decision on where I'm going to land at. Before it was about pre-agency, before it was about where he's going to end up, now it's about is he going to play anymore and how long he's going to play. Either way, him coming back to Lakers, there's going to be a lot of questions. He's got a $54 million player option. So what do you do there? Do you opt in?

Do you opt out? My feel is that he probably opts into that. And then from there, it's like, what does the Lakers roster look like? Because this is a LeBron James at 40 years old that was playing games and playing significant minutes as a center. And I don't expect that to be in his future to be playing the center position at 41 years old. That's not sustainable for LeBron James at this point in his career. Okay, player option in 39 million, not gonna be playing center. You said potentially playing-

54 million, 54 million, you just took 15. I didn't mean that, sorry, I misheard. That's on me for 54 million player opt in option. You said potentially play potential all star game, potentially playing in LA. If he plays again He's definitely playing in Los Angeles. We need a that's definitely the case That's he hasn't indicated anything other. Okay. I mean to leave Los Angeles at this point in his life in his career I mean, I guess you'd never say never you'd never say never but he all the indications would be that that that's where he was retired

He said it publicly. That's where he was retired. He said it publicly that's where he would want to retire. Okay and I um I very much understand him maybe at the age of 40 as soon as the season ends and you're devastated and bummed and everybody's talking shit on you that you just want to think about do I want to sign up for this again? You know the answer is probably yes. I don't think he's ever said anything uh whatever asked directly about it from us or anybody else that doesn't or you that doesn't sound like he's not gonna play next year but at that age with how many minutes he played with how it ended I don't blame somebody just for a second being like do I want to sign up for this again just for I don't know a day a week

maybe it happens in our sport I'm happy to see that LeBron's gonna take time to fully commit yet again and we're excited to watch him and Bryce James might be the one you know not the Brawny is it you know Brawny obviously? Ended up having some minutes with the Lakers And he's much better at basketball now than he was at the beginning of the season they continue They hope for that to continue, but it's like Bryce is big tall fast and strong okay We appreciate all that news we have a rapid-fire situation here because we do have a guest lined up in like a minute and a half And he could beat all of us so we don't want to do that, but Connor has a question for you Yeah, Sean's we're talking about all these teams who are eliminated. The Celtics

are still in it. Let's talk real shop here. Excuse me, geez. Is there a chance? Sorry. I just, I'm sorry. Is there a chance the Celtics have to make changes at the end of the year here? It feels as though, you know, the Boston kind of way they're set up because of the fact that Tatum and Jalen have both been drafted there that the luxury tax isn't as massive. Is that the case or are we looking at a situation where Boston might have to make some changes? They say you were just choking up. I don't know. You're not going to want to hear this. I know you're not going to want to hear this. I know you're not going to want to hear this. You might start bleeding from your ears.

Right now Boston is fully focused on winning a championship. That is the number one focus repeating. But I can tell you, the rest of the league is bracing for some level of change to come to the Celtics from their roster this offseason. Sources have been telling me for weeks now that the Celtics will be exploring trade options in the offseason. This team, this iteration just is not going to be sustainable for this team and no one around the organization from players to staffers would be surprised if there are changes coming

to this roster because when you think about the new collective bargaining agreement, there's restrictions that come with trades, there's restrictions that come with freezing of draft picks, that's all stuff that they're dealing with right now. They have five players right now scheduled to make $28 million or more next season. That's a league record. They would have a salary bill of $500 million. That would be league history amount. I think the Celtics knew when they traded for Juarez and they trade for Cristos

For Zingas they'd be staring at this in the face this summer But they're you know, none of these changes are the top of mind for the Celtics now They can't be and this is obviously the most talented team in the league You know, I think a lot of people would agree with that So these are good problems to have but the league is bracing for some level of change to come to the Celtics roster in the offseason. Okay, that's crazy. Absolutely crazy, especially in the middle of a dynastic run to even think about what

the future could be. You just sold it, I guess, for six billion, so 500 million. Nonetheless, quick, Giannis, do we have any answers? When do you think we'll get an answer? I think everything around Giannis and and Ducoupo right now it's gonna take some time because they just lost and the way he operates he's gonna talk to his representation eventually there's gonna be a meeting between him and the Bucs and eventually they're gonna have to get on the same

page of what this looks like is there a pathway for this organization to win? Pat I'll give you a quick rundown they don't have any cap space they're very limited with players that they can trade with value. So when you think about how can you improve this team, you need players that other people want to really give up a lot for. They just don't have that. Bobby Portis is going to be a free agent. That's really the only guy that you can look at that would bring back significant value,

but they don't have rights to him potentially. He's a free agent. And they don't have a draft pick until 2031. They have one draft pick that they can trade. It's that year. Are you really gonna try to pick that far out? Their options are very, very limited to make this team better.

And I think that's a reality eventually in the coming weeks. Giannis and Giudicupo and the Bucks will be discussing. That is, he's so good. Oh yeah. He's so good. You put him on a tee. I mean, I know he won, but like at this point with the way they're set up from what you're

just saying there, putting them on like, you know, what if he goes to the Lakers? Can't he go to the Lakers? You want him in both. What if he comes to the Pacers? Don't start this. Don't start. What if he comes to the Pacers? Minnesota with hand.

Pacers would be very interesting because you know, there's heat, but that means there's probably respect too about like, Hey, this is how this goes. And we've seen this in sport before Where the people who seemingly are the biggest enemies are actually the ones who have the most amount of respect For each other because they maybe see the game the same way Tibbs hot seat Bruce wants to know yeah as he coached for his jobs. He needed to shave his head going around here I Haven't gotten an indication like that. I mean I think his relationship with Leon Rose is very very tight I haven't gotten an indication like that. I mean, I think his relationship with Leon Rose

is very, very tight. But listen, at the end of the day, if you lose 3-1, you lose after going up 3-1, there's always gonna be conversations. All right, we appreciate the hell out of you. Ladies and gentlemen, senior NBA insider for EF. You see how we beat that time crunch, you see? We got it.

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He's out of a movie. He'd be a villain if he's not on the team you're playing for and a hero if he's playing for the team that you're a fan of. Ladies and gentlemen, from the Washington Capitals, that man, the assistant captain, Tom Wilson. Yeah, Tommy! Look at this son of a bitch. Look at this.

Hey, boys. Tom, I'm sure you've heard that type of thing for your entire playing career. I don't know you from before your time at the Washington Capitals, where you were before. I know you're from Canada. I don't know your whole story. All I know is as a Penns fan, as soon as you showed up, I mean, all hell started breaking loose.

And in a good way. It's like you're a throwback. You're obviously an incredibly tough guy on the ice. Your teammates love you. Everybody else hates you. Has that how it's always been? Has that just been your style of play your whole life? Yeah.

Yeah. Growing up, you know, throwing some big hits in minor hockey would always get the parents fired up. My dad and my mom would always catch some heat in the stands. So it's always been a part of my game, but obviously try to evolve as a player. But the physicality is always, I still remember my first body check in practice when I was eight years old and I was fired up for it. Okay, so There's rules, you know, you know Some of the ones that we see Are you trying to add a little extra and it gets a little loose cuz we're on ice or is a lot of it?

Just everything's happening so fast in there because that's a big part of the story right in the hits It's like because the game is they've tried to evolve the game I think you know and people say they try to take fighting out a game big part of the story, right? In the hits, it's like, because the game is, they've tried to evolve the game, I think, you know, and people say they try to take fighting out of game, physicality out of the game. I don't think that's the case at all, but I do think they tried to speed it up after the lockout or whatever it was. I think they tried to speed the game up a bit.

So players like you, kind of were getting phased out of it all. But then every once in a while, there's a hit that comes in, hockey people were even like, nah, we can't have that. What is the line? And is the line always moving on what's legal and what's not legal?

Yeah, I had to learn that a little bit. Obviously when I came in, you know, 12 years ago, it was a little bit different. The game was a little more old school. You know, it's changing, you know, in juniors as guys come into the league, you know, they're not necessarily, you know, ready to get hit sometimes, you hit sometimes as the game changes.

So I found I was getting myself in trouble when guys just weren't even seeing me coming and they weren't prepared to have me out there on the ice. I had to adjust my game a little bit, but obviously in the playoffs it's a different beast. You want to be laying as many big hits as you can. You want to invest. You want to wear them down over the course of a series. So, you know, I've always told the lie and obviously I've gotten trouble a few times throughout my career.

Yeah. It happens pretty quick. I mean, we're talking when we're talking to the department with the league or the player safety or whatever, we're talking tenths of a second sometimes. We're talking inches on execution. I always try to depend on my habits that I grew up, you know, throwing the body, but sometimes it's fast and they can get messy, obviously. It's all happening on ice, you know, and the people that aren't hockey fans,

I assume they watch the Olympics, the Winter Olympics, and we got like Nathan Chen comes out and does this thing and everybody's like, holy shit, they're doing that on ice. What you guys are able to do, when did you put your first set of skates on? Probably two and a half years old on the backyard rink up north. And what, so that's just normal, right? That's just like, so you guys are like, and how many months are you skating straight? Because when I put ice skates on or hockey skates on, my entire lower leg cramps immediately. My ass burns and I'm like, I have no idea.

You guys are able, it's the most impressive thing. Do you know the speed you guys are going? Do they tell you the speeds? Like in football we have all this satellite shit on the guys. Do they tell you guys how fast you're going? I think it's like 24 miles per hour around there. Kind of top speed How heavy are you what's your size? What are you 230 230 give or take?

24 miles an hour. He's like a toy camera Okay, let's talk about not just you being a hitter and a physical guy even though that is a massive piece of your game You're also talented guys got some dangles, but he's playing alongside greatest of all time. Go ahead, con man. Yeah, Tom, obviously this year was kind of covered very closely with the capitals with Ovechkin's goal chase, but what is it like playing with a guy, you know, like Alexander Ovechkin when we had him on the program, he kind of went down and introduced the entire team yourself included. And clearly he's a massive team guy but to see him still doing this at age 39 damn near 40 what's it like night in and night out and did you ever look at it when he's eating that Subway and hot Cheetos or drinking a soda on the bench

like this isn't what you know hockey and greatness is supposed to be or you're glad that it looks like that. He's one of a kind. There's really no words to describe him. As you guys have seen, if I was doing what he was doing, there's no chance I'd be in the league. He's, they don't make him like Ovi anymore. He's truly one of a kind.

And, you know, he's just, he's an incredible leader. 20 seasons, banging bodies, scoring goals, blocking shots. You hear him coming when he's on the ice. Sometimes obviously he's a close friend now, but sometimes you just got to sit back and say, holy smokes, this isn't going to happen again for a long time. It was an incredible season. I'm just, I'm really proud of what he's done and what he did this year.

He was so cool on our show. We can't thank him enough for stopping by. Nobody in the history- Yeah, everyone was wondering why you called me a son of a bitch. Everyone was like, hey, what the hell, what the hell, what the hell? They know. I don't know. They know.

They know. I mean, you know what you did to the Pens? What are we even talking about? That was a great rivalry for a long time. Literally. Yeah it was. And now we're on a tail end, obviously, of that whole thing. And Dubas has got to figure that out. And I told him. He's young. He's handsome. Bob, we need to...

Ha ha. Let's get seated. We need to figure this thing out. We got the guy here. Now, it's obviously not the Penguins' year this year. Feels like it might be you guys' year though. You know, you talk about that OV chase in the entire year. It's been a lot of eyes on the Capitals. You're the underdogs going into play against the Caniacs, brother.

How do you feel about the matchup? And how do you feel about the team this year? You've won a Stanley Cup before. How does the team feel this year? Feels like you're big and fast, which is what you have to be. Yeah, we're big and fast. We have a really tight group. I know everybody kind of always says that, but if you look to be. Yeah, we're big and fast. We have a really tight group.

I know everybody kind of always says that. But if you look back to training camp, we had that feeling kind of right away. We brought in, we obviously had the core and the culture from the last 10 years or so. But there's some new pieces that have really complimented us well. And they're great guys.

They're characters. Our room is just an absolute clown show on most days. It's a lot of fun. Guys that are, you know, keep you on your toes. No one's safe. They're all over me. It just makes it really fun to come to the rink. And I think when the game gets tough, you really see that. You see that, you know, the ability to depend on each other and the expectation that the guy next is gonna be right by your side and I think that's what makes us dangerous this year is just a really solid Foundation a solid group a good group of lads over there in Washington

Holy smokes you said earlier the Canadian accent is so phenomenal and it sounds like you have a Locker room filled with people that are like most Canadians that I know dogs Good vibes great lines. Yeah, great accents on that note. Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Tom I think everyone who loves hockey obviously was jacked for the four nations But even you know, like casual fans really got involved in that I saw a lot of Canadians were pissed off that you kind of got snubbed from the team Does something like that kind of add a chip to your shoulder? Like, do you need that at all?

And also like, are you eyeing the next time they're doing this and be like, yeah, next time, you know, we have a Four Nations Cup, like I'm going to be on that. When the Kachuk boys drop the gloves nine seconds in, I would like to be on the ice for our country. Do you have that thought? Yeah, I was, you know, as the team got selected and and stuff obviously you're a little pissed off and you want to be there and then you know

I was I was sitting on my couch and I turned on the game and as that stuff was all going down I was sitting there like holy, you know, I want to be out there so bad You know You just kind of your blood started boiling a little bit and it's an amazing rivalry and just the game at its greatest and you know as a competitor you want to be out there you know competing with your country and you always want to put that jersey on and go out there best on best. So you know if it happens in the future I'll be stoked. Obviously it was great for the game of hockey.

Everybody saw what a savage sport it is and great skill, speed, and toughness on display. So it was awesome. Yeah, crushed the All-Star game. I mean, it was just absolutely crushed. NBA All-Star game happened, and then that happened. And it felt like the entire country got around. It felt like it was an Olympics.

It felt like it was a massive ordeal. I think I got a pretty good proposal for you. I think I got a pretty good one. They. I think I got a pretty good one. They don't want you on a Canadian team. They said it. Yeah. They said it. He'll be there at the Olympics. You live right there in D.C. brother. He'll be on the Olympic squad for Canada. Play for America. Don't do it Tom. USA. USA. USA. USA. We need you. We need you. Come you! We'd love to have a Tom Wilson on the bench in the change room, lad. I just want to let you know that. And we'd certainly make you comfortable.

Any Canadian stuff you need, even if it's that sweet cremeux or smooth cremeux. A couple Moulsons. Yeah, the Tiger Tail or something. Tim Hortons. Yeah, King Timmy Hortons double doubles all day, brother. Whatever you need. No comment. I got to stick to my roots I grew up playing there and a Tim Hortons is pretty good

You got to give it a you got to give it a try a to double double is a game changer Really is say we appreciate the hell out of you. Good luck the rest of the way Happen to see you got that little baby Lord over your shoulder. Good luck on your chase to the next one Ladies and gentlemen Tom Wilson. Thank you Such a beauty. Such a beauty. He is good. Nobody. What a beauty. I do wonder if they actually wondered why I call him a son of a bitch. What if everybody's just super

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here in Indiana. Love Indiana, by the way. Never in my life would have thought I had a barn. Yeah. Sweet. I had a shed grown up. It was up the steep ass hill. It was a good shed. Tim Acuffee built it as you've seen with the gazebo. Yeah, right, right. It was good.

Tight shed though. Sheds always get packed to the gills. Always. Cause if you have anything, put it in the shed. Put it in the shed. Well inevitably everything's gonna be in the shed from the last 10 years You have no room Then you gotta rely on your dad who's like a Tetris player because he was a professional mover in the back of the thing to start

Stacking things so if you need to get anything out of there you got to remember how to untetris is I'm doing a Rubik's Cube To get anything out of the shed tight space, but nice to have And he come out here, and there's just Barnes everywhere Barn is a hell of a play. Yeah. Barn is a hell of a play. Obviously costs money, but just what a nice piece of life. Literally everything goes into people's barns.

In my case, professional wrestling, couple ATVs, got a dirt bike or two. Quatic machine. Quatic vehicle. It's good on land and sea. Bought that from my neighbor's front yard, obviously. Whenever I moved out here to Indianapolis, actually had a neighbor that understood

the type of neighbor that he had, which was me, a guy brand new with money and not a lot of discipline. So that guy's front yard became like a store of cool things. I bought numerous things out of that guy's front yard, aquatic vehicle. We might as well just say, hey, Pat, before you go home, if you want to pay 2600 bucks

This thing is good on ground and in that pond that you have behind your house and it turns out we improperly use it We unplug the proper hole that thing was good on ground and then if it is plugged It's good and we took that thing to the bottom of the pond Yeah, as you should but that thing was pulled out of the pond by crane. It was a big day celebration That thing's in the barn. It's sitting next to this wrestling ring for the last few years. Now we bring it into the Thunderdome because there's a lot of work that needs to be done.

And the boys piece this thing together. It was a hell of a team effort. And it's incredibly difficult to do because just like, you know, the shed that I was talking about being a Rubik's cube, so are these wrestling rings for the ropes because you've got four posts, obviously, and they all got to be connected.

Then you got a bunch of boards. And then underneath, you got to be able to keep those taut. So watching and learning how to kind of piece together a wrestling ring, cool. This is a part of the process that I missed in the development of becoming a wrestler or in the wrestling world because I was kicking balls for a living at the time.

So I do try to earn my stripes in certain ways. This ring thing is a wild thing to have in the office though. It's impossible not to look at it and go, you know what, I might as well go jump off that thing. Yeah. And then you got people pounding them out, a lot of pounding them out. Oh yeah, have to.

Riding the ropes. A couple people running the ropes going, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, that ain't a... I'm soft as I thought. I thought that was like a rubber. That's an actual rope. Yeah, a rubber band. That's an actual rope.

That hurts a little bit. It's hard not to do that. It's a nice, you know, it's a nice talking point, but it's also a great place to kind of prepare the body. Yeah. What we need to do to beat Gunther. He's big, he's strong, he's good. Yeah.

He's a former world champ through three weeks ago. That's right. Best in the world, they said. Yeah. And I'm just, okay, yeah. So what? Now what? Well, he barked up the wrong tree. Let's go get it, shouldn yeah so what now what we bark let's go get it certainly exactly let's go get this thing you know I don't know if he feels that way uh he uh you

know boys around Michael Cole 60 years old Michael Cole not right can't do that great small time think about how many uh just life events that Michael Cole sacrificed so that he could be in the WWE and the WWF So that the WWE can be where it is today We're so professional wrestling can be where it is today the amount of commitment that this man is given to professional wrestling Which is the thing that Gunther says he loves more than anybody And what the you know, the his supporters on the internet say they love wrestling more than anybody. We love pure wrestling, everything, all this stuff. Michael Cole has sacrificed 28 years of his life. He's missed three shows.

For the good of professional wrestling, loves professional wrestling. And Dillan Thurston is going to bully a goat, Alex. Can't have it. We love Michael Cole. Yeah, I mean, and he went down like a sack of potatoes. Who's that? Cole. Yeah, he's 60 years old!

Yeah, I mean, it's not fair. He's a war journalist. You think he's ready to get snatched up by an Austrian who's a world champ who's tall strong and intimidating Oh, I just smacked off his face too. He couldn't see anything I hope they're cutting a check for a new pair of glasses. Those aren't cheap. Yeah, not cheap at all I mean those things go flying on see ya and he's trying to calm him down to this and Michael Cole. You're an adult I'm sitting over there. That's what I'm thinking myself. Okay. All right, get a little tight here I don't you think oh

I had to break up a fight between Damien Priest and Drew McIntyre to kick off if you remember oh yeah I was doing a little boxing out hey hey come on come on come on boys let's have a good time here just trying to do the same thing and then he attacks Michael Cole I don't think so but push me over were you and Cole speaking German there was there something lost in translation or no I see that's that has become a problem with with this commentating. I don't understand any other languages. Oh, I am an idiot. I am an idiot. But sometimes there's moments that I think are calling for a give and take situation and that's a one-way street. Sure. Yeah. It would be cool to be able to

understand Spanish and German. Yeah. At some of these wrestling. Especially in the Spanish department, we have a lot of Spanish speakers. And I want to let you know, they're all good. Every one of them is great at WWE, and I think it'll be around a long time. And I wish I could, I try every week, penta, penta, cool thing to say in Spanish. Cool thing to say whenever, cool thing to say whenever you know something sweet happens

He tells me my man do the little poop. Mm-hmm. I walk out of the room. Yep 20 minutes later that things gone. Yeah, that things gone then I'll write it down sometimes But I don't phonetically read it out. Yeah, I don't want to disrespect. So if I say it wrong, it's almost more dishes Yeah, no doubt. So I'm trying I'm getting Rosetta Stone, is what I'm saying. I'm gonna try to learn Spanish, I'm gonna try to do this thing, I'm also gonna try to learn about Sprechen Sie Deutsch, you know? Guten Tag, ein gross Bier bitter, that's about as far

as I got, I need to get a little far, nine means no. So we're gonna go for it, but anyways, I was thinking from Michael Cole at Backlash, and also for society, can't be doing that, can't just be walking around smacking around journalists for no reason Oh, they're allowed to have opinions stocks tables here at boss Connor and that type shit whenever the hammer damn Cowboys a P tone is here sweet chains today. I appreciate that Good pies on horn there. Yeah Do those tangle all the time? I sleep with them? I haven't taken these off in like a year

So yeah at night sometimes you wake up not breathing. Yeah I used to be a multiple chain wearer and I just realized that they're always going to want to dance with each other like two snakes fighting too and you think it'd be easy to get them undone they're not not at all. You look cool though. Thank you appreciate that. You ever see the guys have nine or ten of those things stacked? Yeah sure. That's one of the producers of Hammer. Damn. The producer. Bruce Brown. You've seen the nine stack. Yeah, on Gumpy, right?

He runs them all. Gumpy had six at one point. I used to have those big ones. Yeah, I just got the skinny gold ones now. We need the Cuban chain. The Cuban links. I didn't see that clip. I had like five of them.

I was wearing it as well. Those things were big. You're wearing at least six right now under the shirt. These ones, they don't tangle and if they do, they come undone very easily. I don't know how. Yeah, it's just, I haven't been a necklace wearer my whole life, but then you start wearing tank tops a lot,

then it's like, okay, probably got to add at least something. You got to accessorize a tank top at least a little bit. So I got in the chain game. And then once they start twisting up, it's an interesting time. Joining us now is a guy, I don't think he then once they start twisting up, it's a, it's interesting time. Joining us now is a guy, I don't think he's ever worn it. No, no, no.

He has zero jewelry. Has his ears pierced though. Mm-hmm. Up on the top too. Yeah. He gauges them too. Yeah, he's got. He's got that other piercing too.

Bottom, bingo. Whatever. And then he's got the. It's called King Albert. Ladies and gentlemen, college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, AJ Hawke.

Thank you for doing that, AJ. It's called the Prince Albert, and I do not have anything pierced through my urethra, as it does. Okay. No piercings for me. I'm happy to hear that. I am happy to hear that.

Did you hear? What if I did? Would you be unhappy if I did have that? I don't- You would get me differently? No, I would just, yeah. No, I would, that would be be I think it would have been expected powerful You'd be the second person we know that has it if you're DJ Paulie. Oh a kush

Yeah, that's an aggressive decision whenever you make it certainly I don't know I no way No, be your first piercing you have to get many other piercings before you say hey Let's go. Let's go through the meat never never see the people they like just yeah, they pierce like just parts of their skin Yeah, how about the tool? Have you seen that? Yeah, it's done up here. I think that's cool Yeah, but how about would that hurt if something there's taking like a staple gun to your cheek? Yeah, I don't know man I don't know. I had my ears pierced. I'd studs went to Claire's did the whole thing getting a pierced I was as I was seen I did not enjoy it at all puncturing a hole in it. Yeah, how about the people that had the full? You know the gauges. Yeah, the big gauges. Yeah people

That they go those people. Yeah, I think a sweet test. They're not afraid They don't like a really sweet tats and I'm like, I have no idea how you have the courage to do it Anyways, speaking of courage. Let's play hockey with Tom Wilson. Did you hear him? What a legend, what a beauty, obviously they say. And I think hockey is having a great playoffs right now. And if this capital's team is able to go on a run, talking about the documentary you can tell about this team,

think about the reunions 10 years from now for this team. Now, a lot of it would be revolving around Ovechkin, breaking the record. But if a team was able to go on and win the Stanley Cup in that same exact year, you're talking about most historic team in the history. Most historic team in the history. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Of the NHL. I mean, that's real, real motivation. I think for them underdogs against the hurricanes in the next round,

I think there's a lot of stories that can be happening in this NHL playoffs and I love them I love most of them I did like so Tom Wilson went I don't know hockey as well as some other people do like is there who would be the closest player to like a Tom Wilson style on another team is there anybody like him in the league right now I mean I was gonna say incognito just because that's like a person who was because he does it all though I mean he's like the most feared intimidating guy, but he also is Score second leading scorer on the capital's wild He's more skilled but like back in the day and maybe Nick you could agree like a Pat Maroon when Pat was with like Tampa

When Pat Maroon was also or even st. Louis before he went to Tampa where Pat Maroon was scoring goals and throwing the ball Yeah, to be honest guys Tommy is kind of like a unicorn. He's just so skilled and he didn't start out in the league that way. He obviously had some skill and he flashed it. He had a couple goals. He'd score a timely goal here or there, but he's just grown into a pure goal scorer. He had 11 power play goals this year. I was just looking. They moved him from the front of the net spot where guys just typically stay in there, battle,

try and take up space in the screen and tip-pucks in and battle to a bumper slot. When TJ Oshie retired, that means you drop out into the slot. They feed you one timers rebounds. He's got 11 goals this year, career high on the power play 33, I think in total on the season. And he's got two so far in the playoffs. So he's turned into like a pure like first line winger and he's the power forward that just doesn't really exist in the NHL anymore. In the early 90s you'd see a ton of guys like this Kevin Stevens, Rick Tauke type of guys

they don't they just don't exist anymore. I was kind of piecing it together you know you don't really see the goon I mentioned the goon position there that's also like the protector position it used to be for the superstars okay superstars. Wayne Oh had goons okay that would be on his team and they were there so that people didn't abuse Wayne Gretzky that has been something that hockey has had for a long time I think it's like a part of the culture almost it's like a position like hey fighting guys about to come out or big hit guys about to come out or something like that was like a part of it they kind of fazed that whole thing out I think Tom Wilson to your point about whenever he was

drafted 12 seasons, 13 years ago, 12 seasons ago, I think he was probably brought in to be a hitter, be a, you know, like let's third line this thing. Let's go ahead and do what we got to do. But if you're the protector of the greatest goal scorer of all time, I assume there's going to be some things you pick up, you know, from watching Ovi, like at some point. And it's like, I wonder if there was like a decision made, like I don't have to just be this guy. I can also watch the greatest goal scorer in the history of the game every single day and

maybe I become something. It's like, yeah, 30 plus goals, 200 hits, only player in the NHL. It's like, and he has that in him still. So it's's like what a perfect guy for the Capitals he should be playing for America it'd be cool if they don't hey yeah company if you guys don't want him he should be playing for United States of America I 100% guarantee he will be on that Olympic squad which one you talk about America Canada 100% I will wager anything with anybody if he gets left off there should be a rule that he can play for America if they leave him off the Canadian upgrade I think that should be in all sports even if the player opts out from playing for that country

Lou Massey lost last night There's some issues in our Miami squad right now boys. It's not good. I'm Ash and arrow who's never really coached before People are not happy with his coaching style. They've sold a bunch of players. They got shit kicked three one by the white caps last night, lost five one on aggregate. It is, uh, it's not good. That's two tournaments they're out of now. Hey, Jay, you were talking about these tournaments. They're, they're the biggest one till the next one. So this one's the most recent one and this is tough. This is tough. Yeah. Five to one and aggregate. We all know what that what that means And yeah next week when the next biggest tournament comes on we'll see what happens. I guess they need to hire our the new guy So no, yeah, he thinks what's going on with the coaching. He has Lou Messi on the field

Yeah, that's the arrow Mascinero used to play with all these guys at Barcelona. So he came over now. He's coaching at the cherry guy It's not really going kind of he coached like an Academy sort of what's he doing he's not playing he's not playing messy like that's the only mistake you make well they they actually sat all their players on the weekend in the MLS to go really go for this game and then they ended up losing both games he should be like Will Farrell in what kicking? Kicking and screaming. Kicking and screaming. Get the ball to the Italian.

Just give it to Messi. Yeah, that's a great soccer movie, Will Ferrell. It was a sad day. Cristiano Ronaldo got knocked out of a tournament. What? Which one? It's Super Duper Cup. It was the Saudi Cup.

Messi got knocked out. And LeBron James got knocked out of the NBA playoffs. The game is gone. The old firm. It was a tough day for the old firm. You all had a good day, James got knocked out of the NBA playoffs. The game is gone. The old firm is a tough day for the old firm. You all had a good day though. You're all the new firm. Unbelievable. He is filthy.

There's a, you know this guy, you know this guy. 17 year old guy from Spain. Remember him? He played in the last big tournament. I've seen clips. Yeah. I saw some clips of this guy. It looks good.

So he's already got a hundred caps, I guess, for Barcelona. And he's only getting more electrifying seemingly every single game. Do we have the clip from? Yeah, I don't know for a lot of play probably not even a lot of play. No, is he coming to the Timbers next year? Yeah, how we get into the MLS white caps are trying to get him as we speak. They're good team 5-1. They had a blue Aggregate. Yes, so what happened? to AJ's point to AJ's point, I played soccer growing up. I understand there is strategy and everything like that.

A Messi team probably has its strategy figured out, right? Like that's not big changes from one coach to the next coach or- Get into Lou. Not only that, I think he's kind of directing traffic. Like he, it's all kind of, it was in when, what's his name Alba the other guy Jordy Alba scored last night yes Suarez hasn't scored in a

while it's kind of it's tough it was tough watching. They can't manage all their egos? Is that what's going on right now? No they've just brought in a bunch of new players and the guys that were there that were good they got rid of but they were actually really good been good in the MLS for a while but they're're not a full turnover. They're doing yeah. Like they're not, they're bringing in all Argentinian guys, all Spain players. Yeah. They're kind of just building their squad and it's not going as planned. Sounds like a lot of these new guys aren't used to the lightning fast pace of playing the MLS. That does sound like that.

The alters kid plays for the whiteps. He scored again last night. He is unbelievable. Burr Halter's got a kid? Yeah. Yeah, Greg. He's so good, dude. Legit. You'd never believe Greg could have a kid.

I mean, no wonder we weren't winning. You guys are dead. Yeah, well, OK. Weren't we starting that kid, like, when we shouldn't have been? No, it was a. He was on TUSA. That was Geo. That was Geo Reyna.

And he should have been. Well, we weren't playing Geo Reyna. Yeah was Geo. That was Geo Reyna. Well we weren't playing Geo Reyna. Yeah. But I'm sure we were giving caps to Burr Halters. What's going on with US soccer Gumps? Are we going to win this thing or not? And it sounds like maybe we don't want Lou Messi on our team with everything that's going on. AJ what do you think we need to do to get back to win the World Cup? It's on our land coming up. It is on our soil. It's on our oil Well, I mean I would do well, yeah, it's not you know where i'm from. Well, this is your land This land is our land north america's made for soccer Anyways

We need to win a world cup to tie to tie his point there Are these foreign players not able to keep up with the pace of the mls like it? This is like the finer to the radar if people don, this is like, been flying under the radar. If people don't get it, they get in the MLS and they're like, oh my goodness, this is like four times faster than what I'm used to. So on film it looks slow and bad, but once you get on the pitch, it's just a whole different ball game. Physical.

Is that what it is, Gump? They can't handle the white caps? Yeah. Is that? The game wasn't close last night. Like, the score almost flatters in Miami. Like, they got shit king So you're telling me that the MLS isn't some?

Amateur bush so we should wait yet sweet. We should win the World Cup then we should we should except all these guys are coming over from Argentina now because they've got words like hey you blink the Balls fucking gone in the MLS. Messi's bodyguard gone too. Maybe he's not playing as loose and safe. Maybe he's staying in the middle of the field, you know? Could be. Staying away from everything. He's a little scared to go the outside. Whatever the case, congrats to soccer. It's happening.

And whenever the next tournament happens, we want to win it. It's tomorrow. What's that? Huge one starts tomorrow. Gold Cup this summer. You got to have a good showing of that before the World Cup gold cup Gold cup is one that we win the gold cup, right? Yes, you guys should I don't know punch It couldn't coach a fucking dog to sit down. So I don't know how we're gonna win that one. What do you mean? You saw that there is some rumblings

There's some rumblings. There's some old US players are saying that he doesn't care about the team I'm a punch. What are you talking about? Yes US team members. Is this coming from Concava? No, this isn't from Concava. It isn't Lawless, but it is kind of the same squad. They're playing in Donovan with their mouths. They're saying he doesn't care. Not the most. He's not American.

Why would he care? Well, it's kind of how all international teams are. They're all coached by guys who aren't from the country anymore. That makes no sense. I would like our country to represent and Hopefully we'll win on This land. Yeah on our land. We just crushed soccer. We did such good soccer talk and for more of that

Listen to the concave a pod with people that actually know about soccer Gumpy Brexay Jeff Cameron great show out of you lads really Really good stuff. Knew what just came out on Tuesday morning. And Liverpool won. Liverpool, congrats. You never walk alone. How would they fare in the MLS? They'd be so fucked. Drowning. Sounds like they could nail the speed.

Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, not from the world of soccer, but from the world of professional football, our General manager conversation week Continues with friend of the program general manager for the Los Angeles Chargers Joe Horty Hey don't boss Doing great. How you doing? Hey great. How is life post-draft? Does it feel like one chapter of the NFL calendar is over and you can move forward or is there a celebration? What is the feeling as draft kind of ends for you guys? of the NFL calendar is over and you can move forward or is there a celebration? What is the feeling as draft kind of ends for you guys?

Yeah, there's, I mean, there's excitement, celebration. Obviously you hit free, as soon as the draft ends, you hit post-draft free agency. And then, and then that night is really just kind of a let down really, cause it's all done. It's a little, you know, you just, you go through a little bit of depression, honestly, because you just, so much excitement, so much buildup. And then all of a sudden it's done and you know, you just, you go through a little bit of depression, honestly, because you just, so much excitement, so much buildup,

and then all of a sudden it's done and, uh, you know, what next? But, uh, you know, we're excited. You got the rookies coming in a couple of weeks and that's when you get to kind of unwrap your Christmas presents. I love that you are so invested in all of these guys because you've been literally studying everything about them for the last three, four months. And then when draft day comes, it's like, all right, never going to think about this guy until he's either a free agent again. Now you've got to figure out how you kind of bring your guys in. Let's talk about the guys that you brought in. You

had a running back in the first round there. Okay. Hardball football. We've all, Hey, I think you even did it with us last year. pick of the Harbaugh Hortiz era. Yeah, there it is. Yep, exactly. Yes, we go with an offense alignment. We're gonna protect Herbert and we're gonna be a tough football team. Now, you get a running back. Was that always gonna be the idea or how do we land on a Marion?

Yeah, no, we just we stack our players, one through 200 really and we go in that order. And, you know, when we got up on the clock, he was the guy and he was one of those players that we had up there high that, Hey, we're not going to, we really don't want to trade away from them unless we get blown away. And just really a special player. You guys see the clips here, physical, a talented runner, a very good speed guy, honestly, who I noticed last year when I was looking at Drake May,

he just jumped off the film then and he wasn't even draft eligible. So, you know, stacked another great year on top of his 2023 season and really just excited to have him in. But I think he can do a lot of great things for us. And by the looks of him, I mean, he's gigantic. That's, you know, two years.

Two years. You know, that year, two year. That's the beauty of photography. Whoever captured that picture, whoever took that, I don't know if Ty took that or Mia, but whoever took that picture, you know, that's a great photographer there to really, you know, make him his biggest, he is actually not taller than coach.

Okay, what? I'll take it on. Taller, big, oh, different angle, different angle here. He's put together, you can see it. Charger social media team and digital team is awesome. Top nine. I believe that's who you just shouted out there. They're incredibly kind to us. Let's talk about what you did in the off season leading in to the draft. What was the mindset post season? Obviously, one team is gonna be the Super Bowl champion. What was the mindset? And from the last time we talked to you at the combine, how has the strategy gone for how you addressed everything? Yeah, I think when you finish the season,

what I did is I took every player that was a free agent, an impending free agent on our roster, and I took them off our depth chart and just put them in a stack and kind of shows you how much we had to get done. And our goal was to build, try to retain as many guys as we could, add some quality players and then just rebuild the depth and have a good deep team.

So when we're heading to the draft, we truly could take best player available. You weren't forcing needs up the board and love the know, loved the way the draft fell for us. Loved what we did before the draft, you know, keeping guys like Khalil, getting Elijah done, and then I hadn't guys like McKay and the D lineman. We added Deshaun Hand, Naquan Bowers, and the list goes on and on, bringing Mike Williams back and just being able to really fill in a lot of spots

and then, you know, hitting the draft and attacking the draft with best player available and it felt great for us. Yeah, I think your fans were also pumped about everything that you did. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, do you pay attention, all Joe, to people that kind of grade your post-draft, you know, how it went? I know online you guys are getting a lot of good pub, which I'm sure either way, it probably doesn't matter. I guess it's better

They're saying good things than bad but people you know Seems like the majority of all these pundits think you did a very good job and filling out your roster here with the draft Yeah, you know we internally we were very excited and you know scouts You know ownership coaching and that's that's that's really the grade that matters to me when it comes to draft day. You can't really grade a draft until they get out there on the field and play a year or two. Certainly, people grade the drafts based on how they attacked their needs or they got

value here. That's what you're trying to do. You're trying to get value with every pick, certainly. We feel like we did that with a lot of players But I think the draft grades itself and it grades itself in the next two to three years I don't think you know shit. We got to give a draft grades the day afterwards This was a D plus draft for this team And what if they have five Pro Bowlers or all pros you have all these guys to be off every one of these guys

Could be all famous. Yeah, isn't that crazy? Well, you know what? You know, I missed my my oldest son senior day All these guys can be Hall of Famer. Every one of these guys can be Hall of Famer. Isn't that crazy? Well, you know what? I missed my oldest son's senior day. It was draft week. It was on Friday, the draft. And he wrote me Joey, it was his name. And he wrote me, he gave me a game ball. And you know, actually got me.

I don't want to talk too much about him. I might get choked up, but he did say, I wish you were here, but since you can't be good, draft the Hall of Famer. So hopefully, hopefully we got one in there Hell yeah. Hey, let's go You being a dad that gets choked up talking about your kid isn't a bad thing Yeah, you could do that whenever the hell you want now

Let's talk about a move you made before the draft go ahead Ty. Yeah, Joe before I ask this question I'd like to just kind of jog your memory of something that you and coach Harbaugh talked about at the combine. Foxy, I think we have the clip if you could run it. You know a guy that's known? Khalil Mack. What are you going to do? Come on Joe. Come on Joe. What are you going to do? Khalil knows how I feel about him and we'd love to have him back and we're going to work towards that. You know, we had good conversations right after the season. Pay the man, Joe. Pay the man. Let's get it done. conversations right after the season. Pay the man, Joe. Pay the man. Let's get it done.

Let's get it done, Kevin. Big D. He's a silver belt steak, right? So Joe, after seeing that, we obviously see Coach Hardball put those big myths on you right away when we started talking about it. Was there any consideration that this might go a different way, or were you thinking like, hey, if I don't sign Khalil Mack, there's a good chance that Coach Hardball is going to beat the shit out of me, so I probably need to address that first and foremost.

Yeah, no, it's funny because, uh, Cleo was, listen, he was our, in, in the end of the season, I'm like, we got to get a little back, you know? And, you know, I wanted him back, you know, heck before the season even began. I love Cleo. I mean, just a tremendous, tremendous talent, but even, an even better person and leader and teammate and just awesome to be around. So that was, he was priority number one. And it was funny though, after we got done that, that session with you guys, I'm doing agent meetings with, with Ed McGuire and Katie Sylvan and John Spanos.

And I walked in and I'm like, Hey, you got ed, you're screwed, man. Coach just put it out there. That we're, we got it. We got to pay Khalil. So I you know His agent got leverage now I like a little public leverage loss for you guys and for Khalil on the program You know good for business feels like you got a good deal done personally. Oh, yeah, just looking at it It felt like it was a good deal. I think we all thought, okay, 18 million fully guaranteed for Khalil. He gets to stay in a place that loves him

from the way you're speaking of him. And we saw that Silver Bells, you know, club down in the weight room. And Khalil was, I forget what the number was. It was 250. Yeah, two plus. What was, I don't know what it is. Anyways, it's a Silver Old School old school dumbbell bench, I believe.

And you got to use it and you got to hit a certain mark. And then you get to the silver bells club and then your name's up on the wall. And they have it roped off like it's a VIP section in the weight room and their coach, strength coach, Herb Herb. Yeah. Legend energy brings the juice in there. Feels like your guys' culture is, and we just got a chance to walk around and see it. Do you feel like you added to the culture this season?

Like, what do you think your culture got better at this season? Do you think it's just gotten cemented more in? And how do you feel about where you guys are in the build of this Chargers team? Yeah, I mean, I think just one on the culture, I think Coach talked about it at the end of the year. And he talked about during the year to the players, he took the culture that already existed.

The culture was here and he's like a catalyst for it. Like he's the match to the fuel, the flame. That's what coach is and that's what Ben Herbert is. But these guys, the culture existed and you got a bunch of guys here that love football. And that's what we tried to add. And we added more players that love football and they're gonna work hard and have fun playing it.

And we're gonna work hard, we're gonna have fun. That's what Ben Herbert's all about. And the cool thing is we got Khalil done and I called him up to congratulate him at probably 1130 his time He was still in Florida and he answered the phone He was so fired up and the first thing out of his mouth is like I can't wait to get back with her I can't wait to get back there and get with her you know, so like that just tells you like the impact herb has on these players and and they love them and and I love

them and I've known since he's since he was the head strength coach at Wisconsin and You know, but what we're about is just working hard and having fun and winning, you know, and That's gotta be the biggest compliment that you could ever pay a strength coach right there herb I hope you took that in there brother And I don't know if he's heard that story before or if you told him that he said that because he deserves to obviously hear That herb was a legend. We're with him for what like an hour? Yeah, and it was like I I wanted to I was like man Maybe I can no you guys got a great punter, but maybe I can swing for a year I go this feels like with the view their gym. They're like Manhattan Beach. Yeah, unbelievable. It's awesome. It's Outdoor it's it's the the facility. Mm-hmm

So nice everything you could possibly one there and it's like angel working her ass off in there Feels like everybody has the right it's like the food. I mean the pizza new soft serve every day I mean everything about is like I would so if I work here, this is where I this is what I do every day Yeah, so I would come to this is what this is what Dean built for us, man. It's awesome It's unbelievable and I mean it's and I just, everything about it, like that, what you're seeing there, if you saw it from the opposite view at 7 a.m. in the morning,

the sun is rising, but right there on the backside of the fields. And it's like just shining in on you at 7 a.m. I come walking in, the players are all lifting. It's, I mean, how do you not want to be here? It's unbelievable. It's good for you guys, dude. Hey, that's not easy at all. Especially, I mean, how do you not want to be here? It's it's unbelievable good for you guys, dude Hey, that's not easy at all

Especially, you know to find an owner that'll spend that money now Let's talk about the players that you draft a con man Yeah, Joe as your ranking players one to two hundred you mentioned, you know during this combine What are some of the things off the field that you kind of look for? We've had a bunch of GM's on this week We saved you for last obviously obviously, because best for last. But something that Jason Leite talked about was, I think they called it like, I am that dude.

I am that man. I am that man. Yeah, there it is. And it kind of just goes into them loving football. And they talked to other things about the psychology of having them in the facility all day and how that can be kind of strenuous, strenuous throughout the day and they become long days. But by the end of it, if they're still very engaged and still want to have those conversations at football, they know

that they they really do love it. But what are some of those things that you guys do to kind of try and figure out if the players you're draft and really do love the sport? if the players you're drafting really do love the sport. Yeah, and this is, I brought this over from Baltimore. We did it in Baltimore. And it's funny because I actually, Jason was one of the guys I saw on here and just listening to him talk. It's very similar.

You want guys that can love, that love football, first and foremost, and that love their team and are committed to their team. But we break down character like we break down a position, and what do we look for? We look for guys that have that charger mentality and work ethic and strong team players and resiliency, mental toughness. We grade all those things independently and when you do that, you kind of get an idea, okay, this is the hole in the player.

When you grade it by position specific, okay, this is the hole in his game. If it's a linebacker, if it's a wide out, this is what he's gotta get better at. Same thing in terms of his makeup, this is where he may be weak, where we're gonna have to pour in some resources. And what you try to get is obviously like the, from the playing aspect, you want guys that are all, high scores in their position specifics and critical factors as a player.

We want guys with high scores in their makeup, and we shoot to get as many of those as possible. Asking questions to people around them. Is there anything you notice on like when you meet them? Is there like, and I don't want to give away, no, should, yeah, we should give away some game here. You know, because Jason Light said a guy put on a, a shy seat, a mask and say, he didn't want to talk anymore.

And then obviously there's been other stories of these types of situations that happen. Are there things that take place that you notice? Cause I don't think everybody fully understands like the scouting, also judgment, the scouting that goes on whenever you're trying to figure out this multi-million maybe potential billion dollar changing person to come into your facility. It's a lot right like in how people act some of the time is how they act all the time. Do you watch for any of that stuff and how do you like kind of keep up on it? Yeah,

absolutely. Our scouts do a great job. We got a great group of guys that go out to these schools and talk to the staffs and watch them at practice. And are they first in line or are they last in line? You know, are they, is their effort strong in practice or are they just going through the motions? Obviously we want the competitors, the guys that go out and compete in practice,

the guys that are at the front line, the guys that are leading. And there's so many stories over the motions. Obviously we want the competitors, the guys that go out and compete in practice, the guys that are at the front line, the guys that are leading. But there's so many stories over the years. And then when you interview them, it's a chance to get them to open up. And we watch a lot of film with them. You get an idea of how much preparation they've done for their interviews, but also how familiar they are with what they were doing on college, the way we run the interviews. But you fire questions at them during the course of the interview and see how they respond. And you just take notes and you get that, you know, we've never had, I've never seen a guy with a shitey on

who said he didn't want to talk, but you know, me personally, it wouldn't go well, you know, I was okay. We might want to push this guy off to the side, you know, but we want guys to engage, you know, and show that passion. We want it to come out when we're interviewing them. It sounds like what the research are doing, you're going to find it somewhere.

Like at a practice, could be a Wednesday, middle of the season in college, Scouts there. You talk to, yeah, you talk to staffs, you know, you don't just talk to the head coach or the coordinators or the pro liaison, you're talking to GAs, you're talking to assistants around the building, you know, you just, our Scouts, they, you know, they go into these schools year after year, multiple times a year, and they really build relationships with people that they can trust. And, you know, me

personally, I've the schools I've gone to in the past, I've always got someone where I can go pull them to the side and say, Hey, tell me the truth about this guy, tell me what you got, you know, and, and we've built that relationship up where they know they can say it to me and I'll keep it in house and I'll keep it to myself and but I'll use it to help make a, you know, get the guy in the right spot. Yeah. And people forget, you know, they say it's a business for real and the business is both ways, you know, anyone do business with people that do business the way you like to do business. So trying to find out who your partners are is a deep investigation.

I mean, think about all the study and research. And that's what you're talking about whenever it's all over. It's like, man, that was so much commitment to these people. I learned if this guy wanted to be third in line on a Thursday in a hitting drill midway through the season on this guy, and then he goes to a different team. Is there a disappointment? Like, there are guys personally that you would like to have seen be, and obviously you're happy with your draft class,

but there are guys I assume post-draft, let's say you guys are having a beer, hanging out afterwards, and they're like, would have been nice if blank would have got to blank. Like is that happened every year? Yeah, I think that's every draft. You know, it's people like, oh, you know what,

how do you feel when a player gets, you're sitting on and gets taken right before you? Well, I've been there in the past and a player we're gonna take him, he gets picked. You know what? I've seen it happen and I've seen the guy be a Hall of Famer, the guy who we picked. So you just gotta trust your process, trust the board.

There's gonna, if a player is taken right before you or taken 10 picks before it's a player that you wanted, he was, trust the board. There's gonna, you know, if a player is taken right before you or taking 10 picks before you, it's a player that you wanted, he was higher in the stack. So the players getting picked before you want it, before you get a chance to pick them all the time. So whether it's right before or 20 picks before, it doesn't matter. You would have taken that guy if he were there, but he's not there. So you just trust your trust your staff, trust your process and pick the best player available.

No regrets, brother. Yeah, we're coming out of the draft completely happy with what we did in there. That is, we played the draft exactly how we were supposed to play the draft. That's awesome. Good for you. Congrats on the successful draft. Yeah. Hey, Hall of Famer in there for the boy. That's right. Hall of Famer in there for the boy. One of the picks, Tony wants to talk about. Yeah, Joe, last year's draft, you got a stud for Justin Herbert in the second round and Ladman Conkey at the wide receiver position. And then this year, you go Trey Harris in the second round, also wide receiver, who I believe

is 130 yards per game, which was number one in college football last season. Were you surprised that he was there in the second when you guys were on the board? We definitely had him up there in our in our stack. And he's one of the guys that we're very excited that that fell to us at 55. Was that surprised? I think you pay attention to you do have to pay attention to what as you get

closer to draft what outsiders are saying and did I think there was a chance he would be there? Yeah, I did. Was I excited that he was there? Absolutely. A talented player who was before he got hurt, he was leading the country in receiving and just a big physical playmaker,

ability to win at all three levels and you see him there. Those are the things we saw and we're just excited about the opportunity to add him. Well, guys, you're a little anxious. Is he gonna get there? Is he gonna get there? Is he gonna get there? And you just, again, you trust it.

You trust the process. You trust the research. You trust the work. And he was there and we were fired up to turn his name in. You knew there was gonna be a lot of trenches drafted early. Did you expect that? Yeah, I think one, the D-line group was really strong this year in the draft. And I think teams are always going to look to add offensive line and certainly tackles.

And so yeah, you expect the tackles to go just like they have the past five years, and then with the depth of the D line this year, we thought there'd be a good run on D lineman. So that could push down some skilled players and you saw it I think with on both sides of the ball some corners didn't go as early but still talented corners that ended up going and and wide outs obviously we were able to get Trey at 55. Let's talk about another move you made with the vets go ahead uh Tone. Yeah Joe I was just thinking about it because it popped up when you're talking about offensive lineman um were you just trying to have the the biggest

offensive line of all time with McKay next to Joe Alt, or how's that gonna go? Yeah, hopefully it's gonna go great. We fired up to get McKay. You know, definitely a guy we were targeting in free agency and our coaches liked him, our scouts, our pro department, Lou and Denny and Tyler, they all loved him.

And so a guy we had targeted and very happy to get him in here and he walked in the building I'm like, you know, you put him through the physical and all that I'm like, hey, you know, I can I can pass this physical I can pass him on the physical right now He's good, you know Magic just thinking about him and Joe next to each other. What about the change of conversation about him? Yeah. Yeah, you know That's crazy What just a move

in a mindset in the right place. Like coming out of Philadelphia, obviously going to get a great offensive line that you assume from Stoutland University over there as an offensive line. And with the way you guys operate, that feels like a match made in heaven. I assume that's how you guys felt too.

Absolutely. Yeah. And then, you know, Chad Alexander, who's our assistant GM, he was there with McKay at the Jets. And we were actually talking about signing him last year, going into the 2024 season. Philly signed him before the draft. We were talking about signing him after the draft, and just see how the draft goes through. And so he was on our radar actually last year. And Chad knows him well and felt really good about him and had been around this four years with the Jets. So, you know, definitely, you know, a guy we, Chad stayed on and our coach, I guess, that our coaches love them.

That's awesome. Go ahead, AJ. Joe, when you're interviewing these guys at the combine, I guess now I feel like now they're so like polished from when they speak to agents and they're preparing for these meetings. Now, obviously the whiteboard stuff, I think you, you definitely want to be prepared for all that. But when it comes to like character issues and just speaking to them as a human, are you able to break down sometimes through that barrier of like these canned answers sometimes I feel like agents prepare them for in their interviews and

actually get to know the real player? Yeah, yeah, cuz you know, our scouts are again, our scouts go into it armed with so much information about the player. And we get an opportunity to talk to them multiple different times, senior bowl, east, west, combine, bring them in on a 30 visit. So yeah, those are things, if there's a character concern, we'll definitely address it with them and press them on, and see what their answers are.

And it's not just one individual, certainly if we have them come here to Los Angeles, we can literally he'll meet with five different, six different people and he's going to get asked the same question in a different way each time. And we're all listening to the answers. And so we get done and we talk about it as a group and, you know, say if we have concerns or we feel the players learned his lessons or he's developed, he's outgrown, you know, he's matured from his poor decisions in the past.

Yeah. And on the film, that's awesome to hear by the way, and the fact that you're saying, do we think having a conversation like, okay he made a mistake, everybody makes mistakes, do we think he's matured and passed it to be a guy that can help us and benefit our team, those conversations taking place is so smart. Let's talk about the film aspect though of it, and he talked about the whiteboard, so whenever you guys bring them in, will you give them like a play in the morning? And then like you'll ask them about the play like in the afternoon? Do they have a heads up on what the film is going to be coming in? I've never done this. So I don't think I fully understand. I'll see the videos that come out from the people on the film and on the whiteboard. But is that just getting thrown to them in real time? How does that kind of happen? them in real time? How does that kind of happen? Yeah, a lot of different coaches are different. You know, you know,

there's different ways to do it, I should say. And I've seen coaches install play and then come back to it. And after the, at the end of, you know, they'll install the play right away. And then we'll spend 45 minutes talking to the player. And then at the end, we'll say, okay, remember that play we installed? Yeah. All right. Teach it to me. The other way to do it is you're watching film and you're asking, you're seeing what the recall is, you know, what's, what protections is, what routes this, you know, what coverage are you facing here? What's the play call? What's the formation call? You know, and you just, you get an idea of the players really, when you just ask them that, there's some

players that can't tell you the formation, you know, and it's just like, and, but now that being said, the games changed a little bit because you got everyone signaling individual job. Is that their place? Is that their place or your place? That's their place. Oh, yeah. Their place, their place.

You know, so you're asking, you may have a wide receiver and saying, okay, what's this formation and they're made, you know, or tied in. They may not know the answer. They may, they just know it's right. I go right, you know, and then I'm looking at my designated coach who's signaling in my call, you know, so, but that's just the way they teach it in college. So the ones that can actually tell you, Hey, yeah, this is the formation, you know, this is what that's what the X has. This is what the Z has. This is what the F has, you know, so,

you know, different guys are different, you know, and it's not to say they can't learn it and get better, but it's just the baseline of knowledge they're coming in with. How was Herbert in there? Herbert was with that Oregon, because they were so like, right? Weren't they, I mean, I just assume Oregon, I don't think I watched enough Justin Herbert

whenever he was there. Herbert, football IQ, I don't think we ever talked, I don't think it's ever- No, he won the academic Heisman, but never really talked about his intelligence ever. I don't think he's super cool. He's super big, super strong, super athletic, super competitive. Nobody ever really talks about the brain of Justin Herbert has to be. I assume. J. Justin. I wasn't part of the pre draft process. Being around him for a year now a year plus. He's he's he's brilliant. So intelligent. I mean, he's he's got he's got I mean, listen, if you know, as a

guy, when I look at Justin, I'll be honest with you, I hate Justin because you know, he's got beautiful. He's got pinpoint accuracy is athletic as can be he never looks out of breath. You know, throw the ball through the wall. He's got pinpoint accuracy, he's athletic as can be, he never looks out of breath, you know, he throws the ball through the wall, he's smart, like, you know, I hate him. And I like him. He's the best, man.

I mean, it's just the whole, not all men are created equal, you know, or all men are created equal, I say on the inside, you know, like, not on the outside. He's, man, he's gifted and so brilliant and such a great dude. So yeah, I remember hardball saying he's the golden goose That's what he said. Yeah, why did I get this? Why did I take this job over? We got walking around see Justin her Everyone James Wow that but for Justin her but the way he held Justin Herbert up in high regard We're gonna protect this guy is like the first thing he said whenever we're talking about it.

And it was legitimately the Justin Herbert hype train from Harbaugh for the first maybe 10 days of his press conferences. What did you like about Los Angeles whenever you came here? We know you're living in an RV or whatever. I saw Justin Herbert for the first time. This guy, wow, they built a quarterback. Yeah, how can you not want to be a part of that? I saw Justin Herbert for the first time. This guy, wow, they built a quarterback. Yeah. How can you not want to be a part of that? It's phenomenal. Harbaugh, Herbert, Ortiz over there in Los Angeles in a brand new facility. I can't wait to watch what you guys continue to build over there. We appreciate the hell out of your time and enjoy whatever time of year is happening now. We're getting, we're signing free agents again. Is that what we're doing here now? Yeah, we're looking, we're looking around, you know, just keeping our

eyes open all the time, you know, and always talking through things and any chance we get to upgrade the roster or add to the competition, you know, if it makes sense, we'll do it. Well, good luck with all your decisions. You're the man. Thank you for joining us. Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Horty. They got a good building over there. Yeah. Organ. What is it? Organizational alignment. They seem like they have it.

Top down. Yeah. Did you? Were you with us then? No, you were not. You missed out. Not as that trip. OK, so it was unbelievable. You missed out. Yeah. That weight room, that inside outside weight room and if you think that's your NFL

weight room, dude, awesome. It's and then her the coach, the strength coach is just like he's exactly what you want. Lego loves that guy. Shlago, my buddy Anthony Shlago strength coach as well. He he that's all he does is he speaks so highly of Herbert. We're gonna have to reconnect with you because your zoom's good. But it's, I understand. What was the governor thing with Herbert? The governor and the, the governor and the. Oh, I forgot.

But it was awesome. Yeah, he told a story about this plant. Ben Herbert, that is. What's that? Ben Herbert. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Governor and. Like deacons and governors.

Deacon, governor and the deacon. Yeah governor and like deacons and governors Yeah, and it was a plant that was in the middle of the weight room and uh, basically the story was throughout the entire year When he was with the texans, I believe Uh or wisconsin. Uh, he was with jj. What I think I think it was at wisconsin. So at wisconsin, uh, They had a plant in the weight room and at the end of every workout, they would water it and put good stuff in it. And basically he was comparing, you know, the plant to what your body is right now,

especially cause you're in like the blossoming year, you're in the middle of the season. I believe the governor was the, the deacon, I don't know what is a deacon, what is a deacon? Do you know what a deacon is? I mean, in like the church I do, but I can't remember in is a deacon. What is a deacon? Do you know what a deacon is? I mean in like the church I do but I Can't remember in his story if anyways one of them was eating right doing right watering the plant and it was all season after

Every workout they all like dumps them in there and then they got to like a championship game and they won it and then they go In that weight room and they put like beer cans it in everything They're like every once in a while you go celebrate though whenever you do that and I was like like the stories like JJ texted me that whenever I wanted to see him a couple months ago he was what 20 years old whatever that was happening that was like 40 or whatever so that's like a strength coach is really a person that like molds you and guides you and it sets the culture for your entire building he talked about Schlegel who's joining us again AJ Hawk The strength coach is most important for college it is. I think in the NFL it can be as well. It is the most important

position for your culture I think personally. I agree 100% especially in college you spend the most time with the strength coach with the whole strength staff because there's all these weird dead times where you cannot have contact with your coaches and all that stuff So yeah strength coaching NFL. I agree. It also has a gigantic impact You don't get as much time with them, but you're every single day like first thing in the morning You're you're with the strength coaches. You're seeing them throughout the day and like I don't know you got to have great communication You got to have a great guy at that position

They're the ones they're the ones setting the tone on what the entire Mindset is of the team. Like are we a calisthenics base? I think by the bad ones too, the bad ones like if you have a bad strength coach, man that trickles down through the whole team. Like it's a tough deal. Okay, we're doing bodyweight stuff. Okay, and we're doing bands. And I'm not saying, we're doing, and I'm not saying Pilates is a bad thing.

I think all these things are good in workouts. I'm not saying these are all bad, but that sets a tone differently than a team that has the silver bells weight room where it's like, hey, if you could bench press dumbbell bench 290, you can get your name on a wall. And then you're gonna have to re-rack it. It's like, that's a whole, and then accountability,

like are you gonna push through? What's the tone gonna be like that sets the the whole building I think I legitimately and I'm only saying that because I saw Mike Barwas work You know Mike Barwas was our strength coach at West Virginia And he was the one that like, you know, Rich Rod had his expectations and obviously I assume he was a massive piece of Hey directing with Mike Barwas like this is and he hired Mike Barwas directing with Mike Barwus, and he hired Mike Barwus, so this is what we want, but he's the one that's enforcing it, like, oh, you think you can

put your hands on your knees, huh? You think you're allowed to look tired? I don't think so, buddy, yeah. That's 110 yards, and you're gonna need to do that in 13 seconds, and if you don't, guess what? You got another one, and at that point, you're gonna be even more tired, and guess what you're gonna wanna do? You're gonna wanna put your hands on your knees, and guess what you got another one and at that point you're gonna be even more tired and guess what? You're gonna want to do you're gonna want to put your hands on your knees and guess what you're not allowed to do

Put your hands on your knees if you do now we got two because you didn't get the first one still so it's like that is a Okay, that sets a completely different tone than the people that like I see pictures of like some training and it'll be guys not touching the line on like a Can't happen that just can never happen Legit there's like people that where it happens and I think people think I'm crazy that haven't been a part of like Like I'll say it to my wife like a video will run on the screen or something and they'll be running gassers or whatever And a person won't touch the line or whatever and I'm like can't have it like literally can't and then god jump early

Or whatever and they don't stop don't stop everybody or punish everybody. It's like somebody jumps early and it, like literally can't have it. And then guy jumped early or whatever and they didn't stop. Don't stop everybody or punish everybody. It's like somebody jumps early and it's like, a-okay. It's like, what are we? That gives me anxiety. You're thinking about that. It gives me like anxiety thinking that someone gets away with that because I've never been around a team

where anyone can get away with that. Like it just wouldn't, doesn't feel right. I got so worried that the strength coach would blink at the wrong time and he would think that my hand or foot did not touch the line. Like I'm going to have to do another one here. Yeah, right, dude. I'm not doing it.

Body all the way through the line at 13, by the way. I don't want to see a cleat. I don't want to see hair. I don't want to see shorts through the line. And there was a couple there where, boy, I think my ass was on the line and they let me through. So maybe they are letting a little accountability kind of shout out I uh

I watched the guy I watched the guy dump his pants running half gassers because he didn't want to he wanted to get hit His time he was on like 17 of his 20th one. Yeah, and you've obviously seen the oh, yeah Throw up why they're running. Yeah, keep running It's crazy. Those workouts used to be wild if they're still doing that stuff We need to have a lot more respect for the guys because I think those That's why I think the strength coach is so important to just like I think they are I think the big programs Definitely still good main. I mean bloody Tuesdays we talked about with Georgia, but they're still you know bringing the heat Okay, so maybe we should you know, we heard from the last couple days from general managers and I L

Actually making these some of these guys more mature whenever it comes to handling money and success and a lot of brands and having attention and everything like that. Their life is, they're a little bit more ready for the NFL system. They, a couple of them said, I wouldn't want to be the one that has to deal with it for the first time.

Like everybody in college does, but we used to have to be the league that had to deal with everybody getting rich for the first time. There's things that come up. Good stuff, obviously people give back and change obviously dreams and trajectories of families and generations and everything like that, but also people's first time with money, there's been a lot of documentaries done on it, not always great. You know, there's some bad decisions. I am an example of that as

well. I mean, I'll grant there's some great decisions that come with those. Like a wrestling ring for instance, squared circle, if you will, in the entirety. But it's not the college. Now the college people have to deal with that. So the NFL is like, thank God, we don't have to take any guesses on it. The it's all such a fascinating like social study. Because like, people judge a draft. I mean, like Mel Kuiper got really upset. Not mad Mel. No, no, no. You got jacked.

Yeah, yeah. It's kind of the- It was a happy Mel. Yeah, the inverse. Yeah, roll the reverse a little bit. Yeah, he got really upset about it. And he started saying the NFL doesn't know how to evaluate. You know what Hortizio said?

50 years. He said for 50 years, they haven't been able to evaluate. Yeah, we saw a boomer size and fall into the second round. Yeah. Listen to what Hortizio's saying. We saw a boomer size and fall into the second round. Yeah. Listen to what Ortiz is saying. We got scouts looking to see if these guys are first in line or third in line. Maybe there isn't an exact science.

And maybe you just don't know if a situation is going to work. Percentages tell it. And that's basically what he said. He said, you know, my son wrote me a letter. I had to miss his senior day. He told me, good luck in the draft of Hall of Famer. And I think we got one in there. Like, that's the hope. Like, even the GMs who know everything about these people. senior day, he told me good luck in the draft of Hall of Famer. And I think we got one in there.

Like that's the hope. Like even the GMs who know everything about these people, I would assume even the people that are closest to people, they're saying the same thing. Like there's a chance. Now what happens from this point forward? Time will tell what a beautiful story the NFL is, you know, yeah. Changes a lot of lives has certainly changed ours. We're incredibly lucky that we get to talk about sports all day, every day.

And it's only because, you know, we had the opportunity to get Gro Teskeli overpaid him much more than me, to kick a ball and to tackle more people than anybody in the history of Green Bay. And the draft is just like a nice reminder of that. You know? A lot of dreams coming true, even if they're coming true a little bit later than expected in one weekend.

You still got a 15, 20 year period to tell the whole story. We will continue digitally on YouTube, ESPN+, Disney+, and TikTok Live. TikTok Live, I guess, allegedly, second largest streaming platform. Yeah. Live streaming platform. TikTok's still alive.

Anyone buy it yet? Did they sell it yet? Everybody's always piecing together, aren't they? I saw Zuck did a conversation. He did. Did he talk about it? Yeah, I didn't know 15 was the number. I saw Zuck did a conversation. He did did he talk about 15 was the number I got to up my game a little bit What's ahead 15 there's a huge demand for friends right now

That was a great quote out of him yeah Yeah, that was ridiculous. Most people have about three friends. This is Zuckerberg who knows everything about everybody. That was actually part of a massive thing. So it was that massive bunker. Most people have three actual friends. Our studies say that most people are only DMing about two, three people. You know, we think that it's a big world out there, but most people only have, there's a demand for 15.

Yeah. He didn't say it in that delivery, but but he did say that is what he said Hey, there's a there's a chance that AI can supplement some friendships for people, too So maybe people don't feel as lonely and I think everybody just starts getting very worried about all these things Yeah, but sucks got a huge brain. It feels a lot like the whole demand for real estate in the fictional metaverse That was a lot like the whole demand for real estate in the fictional metaverse. You know, that was an awesome time. A little bit.

Do you remember that? They were selling real estate in a world in a headset. Yeah. You can be right next to Snoop Dogg. Yeah, and it turned out that demand for that was very, very low. So I expect similar with the whole AI friendship personally. Yeah. I don't know.

Humans could beat all this, I guess. We all just assume that all this thing's just gonna keep going and keep going and keep going and keep going But humans can choose to do good with this sir. You know certainly I don't know if we will I don't need a I Feel won't a assistant, baby. Yeah, I'm part of problem. Yeah, I'm part of problem. I'll have a question. I'll be like, you know what rock Smart me up. What's going on? Yeah, that's what it's meant for though, right? That's what AI's meant for. It's like new Google. Grok has become like new Google for like new things for me. And Google is now basically just AI as well.

And Google was AI I think. Yeah. The algorithm was basically AI, but now they're putting, you know, first result is just like basically their Grok. Yes. Google's AI got too powerful. Remember, the guy who invented it quit because we like sweet Blake Oh, this works anymore. I'm bummed out about sweet Blake. I'm bummed out. He worked his ass off on that

Yeah, he's missing the gold rush. No Love sweet Blake's got a different gold rush coming. This guy was super. Is he got a cane? Does he need the cane or is that just for looking? Holy, all right. It's Mr. Penguin. It was Halloween at the zoo. Are you sure?

No. It was a house. This is what he wears? No, this isn't every day for Sweet Blake. I think it might be. Even for USB sticks, we can plug in. Maybe. That's his house.

Could you imagine him walking into the office to work on this A-Ry, taking off the hat, hanging it it sitting down Good sweet Probably what happens this guy? Now people laugh because they probably might not know what we are referring to here Sweet Blake has been a part of our program for a few years. Yes, I was a boy old office old at way Oh, this goes way back. Yes, we've known about sweet Blake for a long time. And this is actual story that happened once upon a time.

Sweet Blake was one of the big builders of the algorithm, I believe, at Google, and AI and everything like that. And he said that it was starting to get sentient. You know what he said? Yeah. He said, this algorithm is starting to get sentient, which means get feelings and start speaking

as its own person as opposed to just kind of a robot answering questions. It started like thinking and stuff. And we all just assume it's because Sweep Lake and this algorithm had such good friendship that the algorithm couldn't help itself. Sweep Lake was so damn charming that even a robot had to start having a little feel. There's a chance that it's true. There's also a chance that he saw a lot of things potentially coming down the pipe and was like, I don't want to be associated with this. I won't go to a Halloween at the aquarium Yeah, I want to have a good time in my life. Exactly a love story

So that is sweet Blake in a nutshell if I do recall correctly nailed it. Absolutely Pretty pumped to hear that and then when we saw that's what he looked like we were like boy What the hell We don't know he had feelings. Did he develop feelings for the AI? Last name was Blake. Yeah, his last name was Blake. That's what I... No, his first name was not Sweet. I think we're saying he was Sweet. Because he was Sweet Man.

I thought for all this whole time his name was Sweet Blake. No, we're saying he was a Sweet Man because he was like, this is not good. And I don't know if he's Southern. It looks like potentially, who knows where he's from. This guy is an incredible AI algorithm developer though, I think, maybe too good. Yeah, maybe too good.

Just see some gator pouring out of his mouth. Amer's Chance, there's Chance. Who brought up Eaton Gator the other day? His real name is Blake Lamone. Blake Lamone. Okay. Great name. Certainly.

Sweet Blake Lamone. Tyler Shuck eating. Oh yeah, the gator thing was yeah, Will Campbell. Will Campbell. Taking Tyler Shuck eating. Oh, yeah, we'll camp a thing was yeah, we'll Campbell Campbell take a Tyler Shuck. We're going gator hunting. Are we going gator hunting? Is that a I don't want to. Yeah, I want to watch that barefooted guy from Florida. Do you see him? What's his name? He was a dog. The barefoot brawler or something. He captured on the highway. State police down there in Florida called this man said, sir, we've been watching your Instagram reels.

We need you. We got about a 10 footer here with a fat neck right here in between the highway. And he barefoot jacked. Delivered. Absolutely jacked. Running in, in like a zoo. Yup.

Can you go back to the beginning of that? Did they have the beginning? Shoot. Boom, there he is. Look at this guy, runs up to this thing. Yup, let me go ahead and go face to face with this guy. Drags his ass out on the street. You're in my world now. Okay. Cops have to stop the highway. What are we doing? Rides that thing, tapes it up. It fights yet again. Gets him another round. And then he, in the state police say, you don't

always get this thing out of here. We've seen your Instagram Reels. We knew you'd come through. What's his name up there? Wow. Something brawler. Is it up there? I think he thought about just throwing that thing in the traffic and let them run it over. Yeah, I think they thought about it. I think he, there was a chance he was focused just on that gate. I think he forgot. He didn't see the traffic. Oh yeah. A Florida man. Keep scrolling. There'll be something that says his name. He is like, he's a Oh, yeah, a Florida man. Keep scrolling. There'll be something that says his name. He is like a he's a Blue-collar brawler there is yeah, he is that's his thing because I want checked out that is his thing those the alligator Corralers down there in Florida. What a gig just like Steve Irwin rest in peace We watch Steve Irwin will go and dance with those crocodiles, you know, and I know if it's every one-on-one, you gotta beat, can't let it see you.

You gotta be behind it. And then if you get on that thing, you can beat it. You can beat that thing if you get on the proper state. This is if you need it. Now it's gonna try to buck you like a rodeo and it's gonna have the def- You gotta cover their eyes too, they'll go to sleep. Yeah, and if you put them on their back,

I think they go, night night, you just gotta rub their belly. So what you need to do is you need to get them you need to snatch them and then you need to roll over on your back Big spoon small spoon alligator bingo because when it's on its back that thing will fall asleep exactly They can take that my shot and then you say well you can do that You can flip back over and say what what that's I think that's what crocodile hunter Steve Erwin did you want to talk about Jack yours? You've have you seen Steve sweet boy lately. Yeah He's growing up he did some of the draft he did I think he did do it dancing with the stars as well He's doing I heard did he do a pick. I think I did I thought he did he did a pick from Australia

I believe and now remember Roger Goodell said something about a game in Australia Probably good play to try to you're gonna get you know become be friends. They Goodell said something about a game in Australia probably good play to try to Who you gonna get? You know become be friends. They have a reality show about a sanctuary they have over there that family the Irwin family It's a just a good family. I'll tell you what. Yeah, I Wholehearted family. They got a lot courage. They got a lot courage Yeah, you know, I know animals generally loving beings. I think most you know summer just Hunters, they're just trying to eat.

So I don't know if they care. I don't know if empathy is a trait that they have. But there are a lot of animals where if you just keep them fed, they seemingly are pretty cool. So like a lot of these sanctuaries that you see, I see people taking pictures with them and then we saw Tiger King there's rolling up in there. But at any moment, you know, like there was a safari video

that resurfaced in my algorithm where that lioness runs and jumps in the thing and starts rubbing like a house cat on The people that are in the safari car or whatever and everybody's ah, this is awesome What tell us now one second one second? Which goes back to the gorilla conversation. Yeah. I haven't seen AI simulations. Oh yeah.

Yeah, but those are all wrong. I don't like the AI simulations. 10,000, one million. Oh, I have not seen any. How's it going? A lot of them, 10,000 verse a million. They've done the 100 verse one. They've done all of this.

But the algorithm in the simulation doesn't have the scheme, the strategy, the in-game audibles that humans will have that is what it separated us from Primates is is the abosable fob. Yep. Sure big deal and then our I think reason and logic I think I don't know why we got it to be honest. I have no idea Sometimes it feels like some people everybody. Yeah, they go didn't but it's like that that can't account for that So I'm seeing a lot of people saying we're dead, you know, it's gorilla You're gonna need somebody to coach or organize the squad So you got to come up with somebody who can lead the the other 99. Yeah, I need a whistle Mike Rable

Harbaugh Mike Rable because if it gets down to very boring gorilla or one Even if he has one guy two humans variable being one of them Yeah, very well definitely step in probably five. I assume is when he'd step see these here variable here. Hey boss You know both be maybe who's our MVP that we're sending in that we know So the MVP are these people that we got to talk into the first 25 deaths the first 25 bullet catchers That's what and they need, they're doing it, you know. Give them meth, for real. Have you seen those videos of guys on meth and they're getting tased over and over and

over again, they keep coming? And that's what we need to give these people. And they could win. You know, that's the selling point to them. Could, could. But most likely dead. And that's, this would be, have to be like end of world situation. Okay, that would, it would have to be death row.

End of world situation here. Yeah, like it would have to be death row end of world situation here. Yeah, like hey, this is the only way and those ten people would have to be the most confident and also the most willing to be like if I go down I go down here. Yeah. Okay for the good of everybody because we're gonna learn from those first ten I think. Highly motivated human beings. That's gonna be all we're not we're not gonna learn we're just gonna learn to tire the thing out. That's the only hope. Hey this thing killed so many people. It's dead tired. Yeah, but every animal I'd assume has a flaw. Yes. Like what if the gorilla were fighting, doesn't have a good left hook, doesn't have a good left hand? We don't know. No. What if there was an injury back in the woods that we don't know about? Left ankle maybe just kind of dinged up a little bit. I think we'll learn that through the first 10. Everybody's assuming this is 100%. Is

anything 100%? No. I don't think so't think well unless gorillas just don't get injured now They do they have to sprain an ankle tell you what they do their their flaws And I've read a lot about it is their endurance like yeah, they're super tired That's why do we send ten guys to die or do we send one at a time ten? No ten? You know great colleagues Lesners we only need one early Ali That's all you talking to me. Do we call Lee into this? Oh, yeah, I could do it willing. Yeah, I think he's already done I saw him circulating the internet and I thought I forgot about how big some humans can get he's big Brock is also the

Same size as a gorilla Brock Yeah, and I assume Brock has not heard about this You know cuz he's out in the middle of the woods in Canada, I'd assume He's probably offended super By the conversation. Yeah, a hundred. Mm-hmm. Come on. Yeah How much does a silverback weigh like a normal silverback? What are they? It was like four or five hundred pounds. Yeah, think about bones Jones. Okay, and now I know now we're

Maybe disrespecting the athleticism of a silverback. Okay, I might be doing that at this moment and To all the silverback gorillas that are listening. No disrespect. I'm standing up for humans here You think bones Jones ain't gonna be able to couple leg kicks, maybe he's got that nice kick that little deep kick right to the chest. I hope we knock the window knock the wind out of Fast how fast these things go not that fast fast. Yeah So are we Their quick twitch their max speed is 25 miles an hour

Okay, she's Lee's Tom will a little bit faster than us a little bit faster than us because we're like what 22 23 miles an hour Yeah, the fastest the fastest which is probably the fastest is every gorilla going 25 miles. I got it I bet the heaviest ones aren't yeah, that's what I'm saying. Just like humans there So we got to figure out in bones if he wanted to run 25 miles an hour the other way, he'd probably do it. Or 20 miles an hour the other way. Silverback gorillas can run speeds between 23 and 25 miles per hour. Yeah. According to the International Fund for Animal Welfare, they can run using both legs and arms, which is a different animal.

It's going to be tough to take down. It's going to be tough to take down. In comparison, the average male human runs at about 8 miles. Oh. I don't think that's correct. Okay. They're comparing their absolute best versus our absolutely normal. I don't think that's okay they're comparing their absolute best versus our absolutely normal I don't like the way

this thing's talking this is what sweet Blake was talking about exactly this is Google right here this is the way they're selling it with that being said it's gonna be a tall task but Brock Lesnar in there trained fighters in there I mean Bones Jones like you know eight miles an hour when gorillas are fighting each other they're kind of just grappling like can you imagine when those things eatin a spinning back elbow like they're not ready. I've never seen It'd be like Rocky for a cut underneath his eyes. It's like holy shit. The gorillas cut go go go I mean there's a good chance. He'll do that little forehead game Yeah, and the gorilla will probably learn quickly and do this, you know, there'll be a feel out

Yeah, I poke Brock Lesnar Brock Lesnar will have he'll go for a double leg. Now, if the girl is on all four is going to be tough. You just go to the back. Yep. Put his right hand on his right elbow and his left hand on his back. You know, that is like kind of the startup of amateur wrestling, freestyle wrestling. Right. So Brock understand grab that he'll, you know, do the thing.

Yep. Maybe break an arm. Yeah. But the ties point to like that gorilla takes an f5 are you kidding yeah it's gonna have no if we get to pick land humans we might only need 10 well i saw Kyle Van Oyl put together a list it was awesome he put me on the list and uh i wanted to thank him but also tell him i'm okay watching if that's if there's a an availability for that he put together a pretty good nfl team just all the history nfl greats so if we put all these people on a team now I think they would all have to be in their prime so if we're fighting the gorilla we need to

be able to get everybody in their prime as well is it in a is it in a closed kit do they say like is this an enclosed area like how big is the arena I assume it's a sanctuary yeah I. I hope it's a. What if he just runs at you? What if he runs, all of a sudden they blow the whistle and the gorilla just sprints directly at all 100 people. Yeah, exactly, flying knee. It's a fly, isn't it knee?

Or Mike All-Stars with a football. We're getting like Spartan for me. Try to flip it up. Someone takes his legs out. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, okay. You just take, you take, yeah, you take Brock

and you take the every heavyweight NCAA champion from the last I don't know if you have a couple things and he does a back whose are it was the Air Force guy who gable wide Henderson why I Put those three up against okay, so we're not sending them first, right? We're letting them get a read on the putt in the scramble Yeah, we're sending some others to hire down 20 to 50 are where the five stars go in Okay, you know one one to 20 are the crackheads or death row inmates jeez and then just those who sign up yeah 51 to 75 are clean up crew our CIA murderers

one through 20s like maybe seals dicky Eckland type type guys if we're to sanctuary you may not even need that many because like there's rocks or you just pick up a rock Yeah, I don't like well. He can pick him up to open field. No, and you know what they do They like sharpen tools. Oh, yeah What what if the gorilla goes away for the night? Cuz he's tired from fighting all the same as it becomes like a war That's what he comes back the next day with like a fucking bow and arrow pull that he pulls out Can't let that happen. Zito just

said guerrilla warfare. Yeah exactly. He comes back with he's got like he's got gear he's got all kind of gear he's got a vest on he's got like a bulletproof vest that he made. They say now granted I see videos of them just eating their poop too but yeah I'll see other videos of them like cleaning their fruits and like you watch it it's like damn and they're doing a lot of like pretty sophisticated stuff if this thing goes to a day two and there's a four an overnight or four yeah we might be in trouble that might be no way what if he takes the trees oh yeah no it's probably can climb the trees right and attack you from the tree right back up

but you know we got though we can build bow and arrows too oh yeah well if we got weapons yeah with a gun come on all right what do they have a gun tree out there you don't yes by the way that's honestly all this just I want to see it happen Like we've been talking so much. We need to someone needs to put this together. Well, I saw that. Yeah Cook the books. No Yeah, I think his name is cook the books. Hmm. I'm sorry. I don't know his name He's good good energy good juice covers a lot of just good What is his name? I need to get, I need to get,

he said Mr. Beast is going to offer up 10 million bucks. Oh, for sure. He did a full, hi, I'm Mr. Beast. And I'm offering up a $10 million prize. And then it's for, I need a hundred people to come fight a gorilla or whatever. And it's like, I don't think we're at that stage. I don't think that's what Mr. Beast is about,

but it is hilarious to think that we just said, yeah, somebody needs to do this. Yeah, okay. We do not need to be watching this, but our algorithm will pop up somebody. Watch the shit out of it. Dude, it's crazy. Things that pop up into the algorithm every once in a while.

I'm like, how is this allowed on the, how is this allowed on the internet right now? You wouldn't watch it? What's that? No, no way, no way. No way, dude. I would watch it. What do you mean?

What are you worried about? What am I worried about? Yeah, to watch it What's it gonna do? I just don't want to know that that's possible. Yeah in my head I want to be like we win we keep it moving Yeah, and then you think I'm gonna tune in and just watch this. Yeah Yeah, massive disclaimer in the beginning by the way seeing that first guy get his head ripped out like a fucking mortal combat fatality pimples

God for sure watch, if I was guaranteed that this is where the bad spot right now, he's going to throw the head at the next guy. The first, he rips the first set off and he fires the head of the next guy. He uses the tip of the spine like a spear and throws it right through. So this would be more watchers, the celebration. I can't wait. I would pay to watch over a half billion It's a part of the problem 71 human 78 finally rips that gorillas throw it out a celebration of society It's gonna be like we won World War two That's like Truman show, you know, you watch Truman show and you think to yourself like that'd be crazy

If that was how it was but you are being trapped you're being filmed everywhere like everywhere you go you hop in a car They're filming you you walk on a street. They're filming you you walk on a street They're filming you for us. You're at an airport. You're being filmed in the arena. You're being filmed it's like everywhere you're being filmed at this point and Everything is content seemingly, you know, these guys that are just live-streaming walking around. Yeah. Yeah, what a time They're like, you know electric you got to be just to be have a film just walking around. Yeah. Yeah. What a time. They're like, you know how electric you got to be just to have a film just walking around. We'll see KSI and Speed tomorrow. Hell yeah. Tomorrow night at the Fatal Fury City of Wolves once in a lifetime event in Times Square,

New York. AJ, have you heard about this? No. What are they doing? How do you mean you haven't heard about this? What the fuck are you talking about? I've heard of this, but everything else that you just mentioned, I have not heard of. I know the boxing match, but what is- Garcia Romero, Devin Haney, Jose Ramirez. So many storylines going into Times Square, including a once in a lifetime boxing event

happening directly in the center of Times Square. There's a firefighter fighting a policeman. There's obviously massive people on the rise fighting. It's going to be a spectacle. And I think I'm going to be there live tomorrow for this particular program. And then I'll be doing a kickoff to the countdown to the Once in a Lifetime event with Booker T.

Hell yeah. Let's go. Okay, we'll be doing a countdown show to the event with Booker T. Hell yeah. Okay, let's go. Okay, we'll be doing a countdown show to the event with Booker T. It'll be on our YouTube and it'll be on Dazon. We will have special guests during the countdown to the once in a lifetime event. I think Mike Tyson potentially.

Lampley, stop him. I mean, we're gonna be. Kim Lampley. I think so. I think we're gonna be, yeah, somehow in the middle of this. Who's calling the fights? Do you know who's calling the fights? Lampley.

Yeah, he is. Yeah, so I think he'll be joining us before calling the fight. Like, obviously, I am not in the boxing world, okay? Love sport, watch sport. Once who, pal, a couple times in Boys Park in plumb to learn boxing they sent me shadow or they sent me through the footwork thing for like three straight times and other people were having fun fighting and i was like okay this is i'm not gonna be able to hit this easier they i just just the whole time just did this the whole time just ah okay are we gonna have yeah fundamentals so i've

always had a respect for the sport i don't know the the ends. Booker T, I guess no. I mean, he is in it. But we're going to bring people obviously that know and getting the opportunity to do this. I appreciate them wanting to expand potentially, you know, like, hey, people that don't necessarily just know boxing, like the people that watch our show, they think that our people are going to enjoy what they're putting together. And to be honest, when it was pitched to me, I was like, I don't know if I'm the right guy for a boxing thing. They're like, it's times first. We're hosting one in Times Square It's like we want it to be a big celebration with our sport being in the middle of it So it's an honor to be asked and I can't wait to get over there. I think it's gonna be pretty electrifying Legit and obviously Garcia being on the card. That's a massive name Haney being on the card Obviously Garcia and Haney have the rivalry that they have in the last fight missing weight the money the find everything like that They're young each other. They're not even fighting each other. So it's been like a spectacle all week leading up to this in New York and Yeah, it's an honor that we're gonna be over there tomorrow legitimately and I think the boxing world is gonna show I think these are Gonna be good fights from what I've

been I've been doing as much research as I possibly can on this I think they're all gonna be good fights good good matchup yeah definitely this is a a stacked three fight main card that basically determines the future of the welterweight and the super lightweight divisions moving forward kicking it off with the battle of the badges is sick FDNY vs NYPD They've been doing this for for years at the theater underneath Madison Square Garden That FDNY and NY guy James Gerani ladder 24 out of Midtown to ladder 24 Say no more he's taking on Joel Allen that guy has been fighting for like 20 years doing kickboxing and MMA so that'll be awesome. The Tsutsumi guy is a he's been an amateur forever in Japan he's 26 and 2

as an amateur he's coming over here to make his first professional fight. He's a bit of a phenom if you will. Tfimo Lopez is the champion in the super lightweight slash junior welterweight division. He's sort of like that Eye of the Tiger story where in 2020. I got the Tiger in the thrill of the fight. Sizing up systems and a tour of battle. And the last one's my one hundredth finger tonight. And he's on his road with the end of the road. Where he upset Lomachenko in 2020, which was like a big time shocker.

He was like plus 1100 to do that. Lomachenko was like the Ukrainian, you know, world beater, former top of this division. He knocked him off. Obviously, he's the champion then immediately lost the next fight and then he worked his way back up Reclaimed his titles and along the way he started to question if he still had that eye of the tiger He was like asking his corner. Am I still fucking good enough to do this? After he got his titles back, he actually retired but he's still chugging along and Barbosa Jr Looks very confident in the pre fight interviews that I watched. Sunglasses on, hat on.

Like every sport, there's a chance you can lose your confidence, especially in fighting. I assume more so in fighting. You gotta have a blind confidence in a sport where the other person can kill you. Like you have to be very confident and you're gonna get hit, so you have to battle through adversity.

Confidence helps you with that entire thing. It looks like he's all the way back from the videos that we've been sent over by the zone for the pre Yeah, big time and he's young. He's what 25 26 years old so he you know he's got a ton in front of him Barbosa jr. Who he's taking on he's 33 years old 32 and up his his problem really hasn't been in the ring It's been getting over outside of the ring, sort of that more entertainment side, where probably a lot of the stuff here. He's undefeated? Yeah, he's 32 and 0, undefeated.

He was on the Devin Haney, Ryan Garcia card. He was the fight before them, won a controversial split decision against an Irishman. But he's tugging along. He's tough as hell. He's tatted up. And he's big for the weight class. class then going up you got Devin Haney You know, so he lost to Ryan Garcia technically and then afterwards the whole drug test thing

It became a no contest. So Devin Haney Right now remains undefeated and this is sort of a get-back spot He's trying to get back on top, but he's not fighting a slouse Jose Ramirez is a former champion in ballpark and I believe in for the Guardians and third baseman who absolutely rakes for the Cleveland Guardians but he's you know a tough son bitch he's been a former champion in the in the super lightweight division but Devin Haney's probably the best pure boxer on the card. I see him on Instagram. What's he doing? Rolling shoulders.

What's his style? Yeah. Think about like a slightly bigger than Floyd Mayweather where he's trying to touch you and not get touched. Counter punch. Put on one of those shows where he takes zero damage. I don't know. I can't visualize.

Can you show visit like you show He's phenomenal though. He he's the best technical fighter He ran in trouble with Ryan basically missing weight coming in like eight pounds bigger than him And just kind of out muscle in them and then you know the top of the card Ryan Garcia If we were to bring all these boxers to the punching machine right over there Ryan Garcia would have the high score his left hook is absolutely disgusting his right right hooks nothing to sneeze that either He's been he's almost like a the child star of the sport sport where he had like 8 million Instagram followers before he had really done anything in boxing just because of the fucking fast hands that he was showing off. And he would do that left hook challenge body shot challenge.

And he was melting people. He was a social media boxer. I was impressed with how fast his fucking hands were. And how about that thing that was moving, which I assume a lot of boxers use and it is a normal for there He was the first one that I was watching like on a regular basis and dominating Yeah, I mean you don't see a lot of guys posting that when they're on that that bag It is insanely difficult to do what he does with it and it only comes when you uh, you know He grew up boxing in his in his parents garage when he was, you know, probably six years old

He's just been doing it his whole life. Insane power, fast hands. He only really runs into trouble because he just kind of stands there and will let himself get into a brawl when he probably should stick and move a little bit more. And Rolly Romero, Rolly Romero, interesting matchup is kind of the quintessential brawler. He just wants to muck it up throw a thousand punches Doesn't care much about getting hit in the head. He'll take it and keep it moving So that's kind of what we're looking at. All right, so we have a big-time fight card tomorrow night

Oh, yeah, the fight will not be on YouTube our YouTube just the pre show will be on YouTube And we'll be sending you to I believe the Dazon app in it The ring magazine is putting this together. Yeah, it's gonna be on their stuff too Is it I think it's on just on to zone I believe it is just on to zone ring magazine has been around since like 1920 of course obviously recently changed hands new ownership They're they're just a written word site. I believe They got their own hard. They got their own types. What do you said? It's still hard to like visualize on Bruce's breakdown was great I just can't because what we know what it looks like

Pure body able to actually see it. Yeah, that's like what did you mean by what did you mean by like sticking get out? Yeah I think you said slipping like like you're good. What's the footwork? Somebody had been a trained boxer. I know. So that would be good. The stick and move is awesome. The stick and move. Stick and move. Here we go.

Boom, bam. Oh, shit. OK. Boom, boom. OK. Are you getting the ring into it? Oh. And then Ryan's famous for his fucking dance moves.

Oh, OK. Hey, one time, one time, one time. Get in there. Yeah. Da da da da da. No, no, no. No, no. No, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. No, no, no. Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da. No, no, no. You got to throw it. Yeah, yeah. No, no. That was very theoretical. Da da da da da da da da da da da da da. To tie it down. Is that how they get into Bugs? Da da. Look at this. Boom.

Da da. Sticky moves. Sticky moves. One, two. Wow. Sticky moves. Oh, it's a hook. It's body's not going to like that.

Sticks committed to the jab with a hook. Find your distance. Oh! Find your distance. Wait, Tony. Is that actually what it looks like, though? Yeah, that is what it looks like. He did a great job. Oh, I thought Tony said, you know, Sticks committed to the jab with a hook! Find your distance! Find your distance! Wait, Tony, is that actually what it looks like though? Yeah, that is what it looks like. He did a great job. Tony said he had kind of a different...

Oh yeah, because Tony has a different style. He does. He's more of an Italian ball. Yeah, he's more of an up and over Italian. I'm more of a trainer, I'm more of a corner guy. You know, you've got to find your distance. Thanks, why'd you stick your move there? Throw the jab to find the distance and then you know you Perry and then

Said I thought you were gonna also show us your kind of stuff. Oh, yeah the ring right there Yeah, Tony right as well. I will not do what Bruce just did Bruce. That's pretty good. That was good You won't do a Bruce just exude different style. That's our point. You looked you looked save something for the show Like you were giving it there. Thank you It's flashing back. We love them. Did Bruce grow up boxing? Yeah. Long time. Yeah.

No? Mike Dyson's his grandpa. He won Golden Gloves at what, 13 or 14? Baron Corbin actual. Yeah. Like Golden Gloves as a teenager. Now he's doing jujitsu and rolling people. It's like, that's a good thing.

I think people, like I do wish I would have went back a couple of times, you know? And I mean, I do wish I would've went back a couple times. You know? And I mean, I feel like I got what was going on in there. But I don't have, I don't have three free hours in the week with my current soccer schedule right now. To just move back and forth.

Walk back and forth. I respect what you're doing. I understand what's happening here, but man, with my AD, I can't believe I got through two of them, to be honest. I can't believe. They torture you. I, to be honest. I can't believe. They torture you. I understand.

It's a lot of respect and you got to be disciplined. You got to get through it. But I feel like they chased me out of there pretty quick. I might've been good. Did you go to the Boys Park one? Yeah. Yeah. It was right down there.

I felt so good walking in there. I'm like, here's a smart idea. Yeah, I'm going to go there. All right. Front of that mirror right there. See what you got, son. Go forward and go back. Clean some stuff.

It's like, all right, I'll do that. Alright front of that mirror right there. See what you got son. Go forward and go back. Clean some stuff. It's like, alright, I'll do that. But I think, you know, when you start watching it, especially the really good guys, and obviously I'm not, if you're a boxing enthusiast, you're gonna say that I'm an asshole here, but like watching the people,

like Tyson Fury when he took on the Alabama Hammer. Watch it, like his, head move Floyd. You know all their footwork their footwork is nuts. Like he even mentioned Lomachenko that dude's footwork is off the charts like it's that's really cool to watch him move. Yeah and him talking about Haney like not getting hit like your expectation of boxers like these guys like to get punching if they don't care and they want to punch people. It's like no it feels like these really good ones

are just so much quicker than you. What was that thing that happened with Canelo at like a, it was like a matrix type situation where Canelo just moves his head and like slips something. It's like that, just the human ability to be able to do that is the athleticism that requires. Cause you got to have awareness, obviously. Then your brain, your quick twitch muscles

have to be trained. And then also it just has to be a sense of feel that you have in there while everything else is happening. It's like, you've got to grow up doing that shit. Yeah, reaction time. That's why the celebrity boxers, anytime celebrity boxing happens, the old school boxing people are like,

if they take on an actual boxer, they're dead. And it's like, yeah, but they're not fighting an actual boxer, they're fighting like a former mixed martial artist. Yeah. Yeah, but they need to fight a boxer if they want to get into it. It's like maybe one year. But it's just like whenever you golf with a kid that golfed in high school, it's like those boxers just know shit.

Like the shoulder protection just is coming out of nowhere. Like Tyson Fury's little brother, whenever he fought Jake Tommy. Yeah, exactly. I don't think Tommy's like a right. No, he's not insane, but he grew up boxing, grew up, grew up boxing and was a professional boxer. And then obviously he goes in there with Jake and it looks way different than all of Jake's previous fights. And it looks different probably for Tommy's previous fights too. Oh yeah.

He was in there as well. And it's like, Jake still continued to work there. And I think Jake is him committing himself at this stage of life to boxing. His natural talent and just pure punch power for a guy who didn't grow up doing it is actually insane ability to commit hard sport Oh, I just talked about walking back and especially when you're as rich as he is and successful. Yeah have other businesses It's like I'm not enough to get punched in the face all the time and it is very sweat And you know, you don't get punched face like all the time in the training aspect And it is very fulfilling when you like climb the ranks and like When they let you spar for the first time after just hazing you for like a month

Oh, it's a part of the that's like a part of the gym Yeah So when I when I walked in I I did like one camp, right? So I I walked in there like your fat treadmill and that was the first two weeks basically I didn't I didn't box it all For two and a half weeks and then they finally were like, all right You like do you have gloves like did you bring them and then then we started like actually training on top of the running? But I still had to run every day when I showed up Yeah, the cardio is just insane

That's why the Floyd Floyd run for how long it is and they say well, he's not fighting anybody whenever he went over to Japan I think you took that flight billionaire Nigos Yeah Just the cardio that it takes that they just naturally have built up because they've been boxing their entire life. Unbelievable stuff. The McGregor thing.

When Floyd fought McGregor, it was like, yeah, until, once he gets to round 10 or 11 or whatever the hell it was, he's going to win. And then that's exactly what happened. The boxing people told us, whenever we were talking about it, we were a small little program at the time, but whenever Connor fought Floyd Mayweather. I was a believer in Connor. I was like Connor He's not signing up to just get beat up this guy's in the middle of a run like he's he doesn't want to lose anything Right now maybe watch his documentary whatever the case. I was caught up I'm like if McGregor's doing it

I'm betting on him and every person that was a boxing person that I knew was like I'll take the I will take the bet how many rounds is this thing I think was like 15 round yeah they were like okay yeah I'm sure he'll look good for 10 11 rounds maybe maybe even 12 then there's still 13 14 15 there where this can all end and it is like the stamina is just different now granted there's people that are going to end the fight early and the brawler you talk about this weekend will be a great you know opponent for Garcia especially if Garcia wants to get into a brawl so the main event should be live action but watching them move is a sight to see. I can't wait this is gonna be like first time I'm gonna. It's like obviously it's the old cliche like oh

you have to see it live but once you you do see boxing live, it'll change your perspective. I've seen Ruffin Roddy. Yeah. Yeah. That is so, so high. I've seen Ruffin Roddy. I've been- You ever go to tough man contest when you were a kid?

Once a tough man contest, two of them in West Virginia. That was a good time. Out in the middle, middle of nowhere. Best dudes in like jeans, boxing against some dude. You know, that was the best. Wait, we were at the triple G fight at Massive Square Garden. I forgot about that. Yes we were. Oh yeah. It Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was awesome

Please forgot about it. So now should be great seats at that. Yeah, it was electric. I can't wait for tomorrow Yeah, yeah, that was a great time and that was MSG was awesome. But like being in Times Square is gonna be easy You know, I don't know how functionally I don't know how that whole thing goes It's gonna it's gonna be so cool. Just just seeing those photos even I bet It'll be kind of like the draft where it's like secured perimeter type deal and then like very few sold seats close to the ring I don't know but I do know all the ad boards that are around are all gonna be a part of it So like there's a lot of those big shops buddies in there Carlos bake shop right there. There is Buddy buddy buddy on the undercard buddy Velro, is he on the undercard?

He's got a pic, we should have him maybe come on the show. We're talking about Cake Boss? Yeah. Yeah, Cake Boss, right there. That's his? That's his, Carlos. God stop by. His last Super Bowl appearance was unbelievable.

What, no questions about the sweet science? I don't know. I can't wait, I will ask him. He might. He's got a front door seat. He's got picks for every single fight. Yeah. Alright we're gonna get the hell out of here. Tomorrow should be a good day. We obviously not just talk about boxing but maybe. I have no idea what the set up is gonna be tomorrow. Should be a good time. We appreciate you all so much for allowing us to do this for a living. It's gonna be a wild scene, I think. Yeah.

Be cool. I don't... What's happening to the cowboy? The naked cowboy? And the Spider-Man. Is he still around? Oh, they're there. No, they all got...

They're actually introducing the boxer. He shot them in the head and moved them out. No way! They were at... They did a Lucas Oil Halftime show, you remember? Yeah, that's right. They did a Lucas Oil Halftime. That's right.

That was good good that is correct i'm excited to see time square i'm excited to be over there i'm pumped for the opportunity there's gonna be so many pissed off boxing people that i'm doing it okay fuck them can't wait to listen to the comments about me getting dropped into that i would like to let you know i uh i'm honored that i get an opportunity to be a part of an evening that they are saying once in a lifetime event i think they're trying to make it uh feel big hopefully we can do that i can't wait for me I'm honored that I get an opportunity to be a part of an evening that they are saying once in a lifetime event I think you're trying to make it a Feel big. Hopefully we can do that. I can't wait for me and Booker T. Yes

Yes, I've hung out with Booker T backstage. I don't think I've ever Got to be on a microphone alongside Booker T Booker T has been a commentator and a professional wrestler in WWF since I've been alive basically now He went over to TNA and while he was at TNA is one of the greatest moments of all time He was doing commentary and then he got into the ring with the headset. Oh King bookers beating the hell out of oh King bookers kicking it might have been just a handheld microphone He gave his own commentary in there and then everything else that he's done with the WWE

He is just like so entertaining. In boxing, I guess, he's just full like. He loves it. Like I guess it is his thing, like he loves, loves, loves boxing. So we are honored. I think I don't want to speak for Booker, but from my conversations, he said yes immediately upon being asked about it.

It's like, let's try to make it big. We're going to try to pay it as much respect and do it as much justice as possible because I understand this is probably a very big commitment by people to rent out Times Square. Times Square, yeah. And there's a lot of big fights. And on Saturday you got Canelo fight.

Yeah. Happening. So I mean, it's a big boxing weekend. Let's go ahead and enjoy that. Let's enjoy that with the NHL, the NBA. Derby. Kentucky Derby. Yes.

Let's talk about that, Bruce. Yeah, so, you know you know kind of you know, not a ton of hype around it I think part of that is because of the strength of the favorite that would be journalism the number eight horse at Journalism. Yeah, so so Bafford was trying to get like five horses qualified today and He didn't get it done because journalism was so unbeatable. I do not believe that the horses lost. When you watch it move, it is clearly different. If you are looking to beat journalism, Baffert's got the number one, Citizen Bull at 20 to one.

He's got the four, Rodriguez who shut the door on McAfee's Kentucky Derby hopes in the wood memorial I was in verse McAfee would have been a fucking that would have been scenes instead we get down the stretch instead we get Rod Oh my god About Sandman Sandman's got Sam Sam and the closer just needs a clean trip Sovereignty right behind him is a is a great horse as well publisher. I find it kind of interesting I don't know if it actually is has never won a race. Tits-tastic. Yeah. Publisher has never won a race.

Tits-tastic is obviously in here as well. How about Owen Almighty? Owen Almighty. Is that Jeff? No. Jack? Bruce. Bruce? Bruce's kid. And Evan. There's probably a great story behind that. Oh, almighty I assume. Yeah, I'm sure. 30 to 1. Flying Mohawk. Yeah, Flying Mohawk, I don't think he's ever ran on dirt. So how's Flying Mohawk get into the...

What's he run on? You get in on dirt? You get in on points. So like publisher finished second in the Arkansas Derby, that's enough points to get in, but has never actually won a race. Got it, okay. And then these aren't the fastest horses on earth. These are the fastest three-year-olds on earth.

Yeah, Braiders Cup is the fastest. Yeah, that is. That's the real main one. Yeah. Fun fact about the Kentucky Derby, which is a ground spectacular event down there in Louisville, there'll be more than 125,000 mint juleps served, says Joe Palmoliano, always on top of the stats.

22 bucks a pop, that's 2.75 million sales in one drink, brother. Little on the merch and everything else, and the food and the tents and the VIP suites, if you will. Are you going this year? Yeah, I'll be there for the race on Saturday. Let's go. Can be sweet.

Oh man, I completely forgot. This is a massive weekend for AJ. Oh, yeah. AJ, don't worry about tomorrow. I forgot about this. This is a big. Oh, no, no, it works out well. It works out well. It's actually closer from Indy than it is from. Okay. Okay. Good. Good. Good. Hey, get some answers while you're down there. Okay. Yeah. I'll see what I can do. Walk up with your phone just right behind him. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, mama. I'm in fear of my life from the long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, singing a song. What a vision. Nightmare. And they don't know that'll be the universe.

You could potentially be the universe there. And sticks actually sent us some beer. Yeah. Sticks golden lager. What is it called? Sticks golden lager. Yeah. There's some other wacky literally called Oh mama. Yeah, it is. Oh mama. Oh mama beer was sent here to the office. It looks like a thick one. I'm obviously in the middle of a keto right here. It surprised me. It wasn't as thick as the can looks it was pretty good actually good beer. Yeah, I liked it Yeah What's it taste? Well? No, no, it's not bad Foxy had one sip. We're talking about a 19 ounce beer here though Oh, yeah, yeah, so like the what's over first eight ounces first first can let's say first 12 ounce is not bad

Then you realize okay. I got it I got another seven ounces this thing's a super diesel and it gets a little warm to there at the end It does I was never a big can guy. I drink it. I'd like it for a second They're too popular. So I didn't have that problem, but you know, it's a 6% beer which again, that's pretty diesel What was the beer? What was the beer that Roethlisberger and spank? Gave me over there all American beer? No, not the real Americans the tea surf side surf. Yeah, that's pretty good. Those are pretty good There's a lot going on over there in that part of the stadium. Teas and peas. Oh boy. I mean that was Brutal we're not gonna show up because I that but that hit everybody's algorithm was oh, yeah, so he's a piece going to game

Yeah, that's incredibly, that was scary to watch and everybody's reaction around it was scary as well. So obviously TZP's back to Pittsburgh. Not only that, but Pittsburgh just had a devastating storm that came through and wiped out power and water and they were projecting like, yeah, you're not going to have power for like a week in some places in Pittsburgh.

I think a lot of places came back on, I believe, but like TZP's obviously to the kid that fell last night on the, in the outfield wall, and TZP's to the people in Pittsburgh that are going through right now. That's Fiori's Pizza right there. That is a great pizzeria. They have fantastic pizza that obviously we grew up eating.

They lose the entire top of the building basically. So they're not the only ones. There's plenty of other places, as well I believe the Oakmont Golf Course, they had all their tents set up for the US Open that the building basically. So they're not the only ones. There's plenty of other places as well I believe the Oakmont Golf Course, they had all their tents set up for the US Open that's coming around. That was all obviously destroyed. So Big Wind, I don't know if it was a tornado,

a microburst, I don't know what came through Pittsburgh, but they got it pretty good and there was some property damage for Rio over there. Some people in the power loss thing was crazy. It was just hearing from people, they're like, yeah, we just got an update that we'll get power next week. Goddamn. Next week.

Yeah, my parents are still with that. Well, they got a generator, my dad got a generator, but their neighborhood is without power. It's gonna be days, it's gonna take a week. Think about that, 2025, I don't know. Yeah, things happen. I mean, it was power for a week, people will go crazy. That's a long time. That's a very long time. In 2025, didn't after it made you lose power for a week people people will go crazy. That's a long time

That's a very long time in 2025 didn't know it was possible But that's where over 120,000 people are going on 48 hours with no power Because of one quick moving windstorm and they're saying five to seven days Hey, obviously not happy if there's ever tornado here. It better just take the house because it'll take decaying light sick. Okay There's been a lot of There's been a lot of anger From the yeah, so they're saying like a week without power over there. So teas and peas. That's crazy. And obviously for that kid Man sad stuff on that note Tomorrow's big day. Yeah big

That body have body have body sweet Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do bucks or something like that and it was a big deal in the NCAA because he had to like sue he had to like appeal that he was allowed to go box in Madison Square Garden and win $50,000 because back then this is pre-NIL you weren't allowed to make any money he did it I don't know is it middle of season or offseason I don't remember do you remember AJ? I think it was offseason at some point yeah he drives over there wins drives back to Notre Dame then he obviously goes to the Baltimore Ravens great punt returner great safety comes over the Indianapolis Colts with Chuck Pagano Obviously Chuck comes from Baltimore as a secondary coach says want this guy here I got a chance to meet him hang out with him what a special athlete that guy was

Yeah, and we went to Buffalo wall wings They had one of these you know and watching him hit that thing and then teaching stuff and then you know Mike get a cocktail at the time, get a cocktail in or two. And then all of a sudden it's like, this guy's a real boxer, let's see. Okay. And then you just get slapped in the face.

Five, six times, you know, boom, boom, bang, boom. Oh my God. And then he turns to like wanting to teach something. He's like, good move here. Look low, bang, over top. That's an easy, just any time you just move body down, hand up over top, because they're naturally going to go like this and then it's a bang. I guess, I don't know if that was what he won the Mazda Square Garden fight with, but every time I fell for it, every time he did it to me. That was your, that was your oculus move. Yes, bingo. It really was. And it what? It

was a 100 no I think and it was overhand right get on the machine ah it was big he was a big he broke the record obviously he knows how to punch he was big he was NFL guy yeah he was cool teammate man learned a lot from him he was good dude now he's firefighter I think in Chicago was a firefighter in Chicago I'm excited for the firefighter police fight yeah it's gonna be sick that might be sick I'm worried for the firefighter after digging in on the cop he I found a video from 2007 of him kickboxing when he was like maybe 15 years old oh so that but I assume the firefighter boxer as well no doubt yeah

yeah I'm just saying is a kickboxing match no No, no, no. It's a boxing man. I didn't think so. Motherfucker. It just fits. Okay? All right. We can't wait to get over there.

I'd love to be a part of it. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three, team. Goodbye.