The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1337 - Jamal Crawford, Heather Dinich, Washington Commanders GM Adam Peters, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

On today's show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about last night’s two massive upsets in the NBA Playoffs that saw the Knicks edge the Celtics in overtime in Boston, and Nikola Jokic and the Nuggets take down the Thunder in Oklahoma City, as well as the Maple Leafs victory over Panthers in the Eastern Conference Semis. Joining the show to chat about last night’s NBA action as well as the games tonight and his thoughts on the playoffs as a whole and moving forward is 20 year NBA veteran, 3x Sixth Man of the Man, #8 overall pick of the 2000 NBA Draft, former NBA on TNT analyst and future NBC NBA analyst, Jamal Crawford. Next, ESPN College Football Insider and reporter, Heather Dinich joins the show to chat about all the different pieces of news that have come out in the college football world. Later, 3x Super Bowl Champion, and current GM of the Washington Commanders, Adam Peters joins the show to chat about Washington’s quick turnaround, when he knew Jayden Daniels was going to be special, his relationship with Josh Harris, hosting the Draft in 2027 and the new stadium plans, his draft this year and draft process as a whole, and much much more.  Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’re off tomorrow for some meetings, we’ll be back on Thursday. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode the Thunderdome on the Sports Tuesday May 6th 2025 this program starts now. Sports are happening all around us and we're so incredibly lucky that we get to chit chat about it every single day. Last night in the NBA two massive upsets Certainly one that nobody on earth could have seen and another led by Joker, who's now a coach, Aaron Gordon and Murray going into Oklahoma City and doing their thing, but the Knicks upset the Celtics,

which has everybody in Boston wondering what the hell's going on. They obviously missed 45 three-point shots, which is the most in the history of the NBA, and they took 63 point shots, which is also most in the NBA history whenever you talk about doing bad and staying consistent with the bad thing The Boston Celtics did that last night. They will not sweep the New York Knicks In fact, they might be in a heap of trouble Yeah

We'll talk to Jamal Crawford the crossover joining us in about 15 minutes or so to get his take on the NBA, where it's at, where it's going, and who should we be looking forward to winning all of these series? A couple more massive NBA games tonight. The NHL happened last night. These Panthers are a bunch of dirty players. We need to get them suspended.

We need the thing to get tightened up. We'll chitchat about that today. And then obviously the NFL is always happening. We have General Manager of the Washington Commanders, Adam Peters, joining us in the next hour. Cannot wait to chitchat with him. The turnaround that they've had in Washington is obviously desirable by every shitty franchise in every single professional sport. You go from being hated by your fans, you go from being disrespected by the world to new ownership to all of a sudden having a guy. Now you're getting a new stadium which they had talked about for a long time.

You're getting the NFL draft. You'd make some massive trades to bring some stars in. And you might be a team that's on, you know, a Super Bowl watch in a matter of two years. It's amazing what a couple of good decisions in an organization and positions of power can do. And that's not just in the football world. You get rid of some bums that are in a position of power,

the gatekeeping positions, and you bring in the football world. You get rid of some bums that are in a position of power, the gatekeeping positions, and you bring in some superstars. It's truly phenomenal what can happen to a team in a building. And obviously, Jaden Daniels has been everything you could have expected in a rookie quarterback, great. And then some. Love what the Washington Commanders have done.

Don't know if the commanders are gonna be their name forever. Still feels hard getting it out of my mouth. Washington football team was certainly a name and then obviously they were formerly known as The team that only the merch is seen in public by their fans The toxic table is here at boston connor and at tie schmidt con man rough night last night for the city of boston Yeah, it wasn't good. Not at all, especially because it was fun for a little bit Obviously you had raw last night that did we all watched that as well. That was tough. But the Celtics were up 20. Let's not act like they didn't

kind of show up and show out for a little bit. They had a hack a shack situation going on in the second quarter. That was very fun. Everyone was thinking in Boston. Okay. Joe Missoula in his bag, foul and a big guy. Knicks can't get their offense going early. This is great. And then the second half, it was a completely different story. I think the third quarter, they cut it to nine at the end.

And then in the fourth, yeah, Jalen Brunson, who everyone mentions as the clutch player of the year, he did come in in the clutch. And to be fair, I thought there was going to be a lot more foul hunting by him. There wasn't, he was just playing great basketball. That's a massive three over Al Horford and you know, to go up by six, the Celtics did come back a little bit. Huge three from Derek

White here to go up one and even here after giving up a 20 point lead, I think Celtics fans are still thinking, okay, weathered the storm, gr gritty comeback if you will after being up 20 but the Celtics will still get it done nope the Knicks continue to answer OG was fantastic he also had 29 points along with Jalen Bruns is 29 points but it was a great battle it ended ends up going to overtime Jalen misses this uh buzzer beater attempt Celtics go down. I believe they chuck a three they they missed that And then over time the Knicks kind of took over it was good Personally when the game is done. Okay, gentlemen sweep is on they had their fun Now all the pressure of the sweep is off now

We're kind of the underdogs, you know Everyone's looking at the boss and Celtic says the this massive Titan, this Goliath of basketball, which they are bridges. I don't know if he heard his face or if he was doing some sort of fun celebration there, whatever the, whatever the case, that was the last bucket from the Knicks there to go up by six Celtics. Again, let's keep chucking threes. Gotta love it. That one goes in. That was actually Jaylen Brown with a minute and 10 left in overtime. That was his first three of the game. He finished one for 10. That was the story between Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. Huck one off the backboard driving to the lane so you can't hate on it because at least he was driving to the lane. Again,

what are we doing here at the end of the game? A lot of people saying, a lot of people saying, well, he got doubled. A lot of people saying that a lot of people saying, well, you got doubles. A lot of people saying that might've been a foul by Towns. It wasn't. Some people were saying, hey, he was going up with the ball here. Towns fouled him before they started the gather. And then just a brilliant inbounds play

after calling a timeout before the first attempt at the inbounds. It was tough for the Celtics, but I think Celtics fans still have a lot of faith. Yeah, I think you should obviously. There's no way in hell you guys go 15 to 60 from three. And this is the same conversation about Joe Mazzola that happens every single time the Boston Celtics lose. Now obviously they've gone on to win championships with this entire mindset.

So it's hard to bury Joe Mazzola and call him a bird brain maybe for this particular style. But whenever the Celtics miss their threes they're not a winning team Golden State Warriors were the same exact way if they got ice cold in a game they were gonna lose that game I would assume the buckets gonna look a little bigger for the Boston Celtics I assume that water is gonna find its level and I think the Celtics probably win the next game maybe by 50 but with that being said Knicks fans are riding high Stephen A Smith was I don't want to say joint he was glee I mean it was full glee out there because all the Knicks fans on TV yesterday who obviously have

forced Knicks conversations onto our televisions every single day of our lives yesterday they were saying the only way I can beat Celtics is they need God then he's our praying every single one not just Stephen A every Knicks fan that you run into was like yeah we need God's help need to start praying every single one. Not just Stephen A. Every Knicks fan that you run into is like Yeah, we need God's help in this particular one Well, maybe God was just telling him he can't make a three this evening And that's why the Celtics weren't able to get to dub but congrats to this Knicks team. They continue to fight They continue to be incredibly tough and this Jalen Brunson guy is so fun to watch

Undersized but he's seemingly tougher than everybody else on the court. Obviously OG does his thing and Kat, welcome to your Knicks moment, I guess is what this is currently. And now we go to ball game. Now we got a series. Everybody was assuming this was going to be a sweep. Even the ESPN odds, the odds were better for the Celtics to get a sweep than the Knicks to win the series, which is wild. Yeah, they'll win four straight. The Knicks won't even get a dub. What about the Knicks in six? Better odds than if the Celtics, or worse odds than the Celtics winning in four. Wonderful game, I love that the NBA has this type of thing. This is the best of seven series though,

conversation in a nutshell. You still won on the road for game one. Can you back it up? The better team normally wins whenever there's seven attempts at it. Just like the Indiana Pacers won in the Cleveland. Stolen from the number one seed, Cleveland Cavaliers. Will they be able to do it again?

Will they be able to do enough? We'll see out of the New York Knicks. One half of the hammer, Dah! Cowboys AP Tone had something. Yeah, you want to talk about the odds? Even though the Knicks got game one last night in the garden in the Boston TD Garden, Celtics still minus 370 to win the series. So even though they got game one, there's still not a lot of hope in the betting markets for the Knicks to win the series Oh, yeah, I let's go to nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler before the show I said I didn't want to have Connor talking about that game Just like I didn't have Bruce talk about that game Whenever we showed the original highlights because you know personal feelings start getting in there when Ray weren't able to kind of roll

Through that entire thing and obviously he's had that championship trophy Larry Oh sitting on the desk for the entire year rubbing it in people's faces They were 20 and 4 in their last 24 playoff games now They're 20 and 5 to say they've been on a heater in the playoffs would be an understatement this Boston Celtics team They have been dominant They look like the Yukon Huskies back in March Madness the last couple years even though they lost it this year Congrats to golden down in Florida. He just signed a massive deal after winning the national championship, but they have been dominant. Is this a good thing for

for the Boston Celtics to have this happen in game one, especially with everybody dancing on their face? Yeah, if you're gonna lose definitely obviously better to lose it early lose one early But I'm sure they hate losing at home and we talked about the threes But defense even with the Warriors when they were on their great run, they hung their hat on defense, and the same thing with the Celtics. Like you said, do they go 15 for 60 again? Probably not. Third quarter, the wildest stat I saw from last night's game was 19 of their 20 field goal

attempts in the third quarter were three-point. Jesus. That is insane, regardless of what your style of play is, 19, get to the basket baskets watching in the fourth quarter I know con man put a tweet out about yeah, this this him bo stat right here never seen anything like like it was unbelievable watching it Get to the cup get to the bucket if you're Jason Taylor you're Jalen Brown get to the bucket You got smaller defenders you saw it in the other game taking advantage of size You got to do that. You got a win, but like con man said you figured out

I think they still figure it out over this series. I still think they get it done game two They're already ten point favorites I know that doesn't matter to the guys in the locker room or the coaches on the bench But ten point favorites at home, you would expect them to bounce back and try to whole serve at our home court Yeah, still feel great about it. I assume most Celtics fans do it's just some of those things like seeing that shot chart The the most frustrating part is there was always some matchup on the floor where it was a bigger guy for the Celtics on a smaller guy for the Knicks. And normally it doesn't happen that often.

But when Brunson is on the court, it's like, hey, Tatum and Jalen Brown are getting this matchup and then they're just deciding, hey, let's just chuck it. Wendy said this morning, of their 63s, 32 of them came in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock, which is even more frustrating because the Knicks are so good in transition in the entire thing. The real worry is Porzingis left the game after the first half with a vicious tummy ache. I don't know if it was pooping.

I don't know if it was attic or basement, but it was not good. And then Sam Houser rolled his ankle after coming in, having a couple tough shots and then found a guy shooting a three. So there are some worries there with poor Zingas, but yeah, still all the confidence in the world. We'll talk to Jamal Crawford, Jay Crossover, who played 20 years in the NBA here in about five minutes or so to get his thoughts not only in the Boston Celtics losing to the Knicks Bruce Brown who's a Knicks fan says we also missed 17 free throws everybody's talking about the 45 mysteries we missed 17 free throws that's probably never gonna happen again still get the dub way to fight through Bruce hell yeah no I I

mean I know that the Celtics won't be that bricks committed throughout the rest of the series, but we played nowhere near our best basketball either. Cat got the early third foul. He was out for the entire second quarter and played terrible in the third quarter. We can play better as well. What I'm hanging my hat on going forward here is that I don't think Jay Tatum can score on OGN and OBE. I don't know if anybody actually can.

And you know Brunson, if we're within 10 in the fourth quarter, he's Captain Clutch. I don't think Jay Tatum can score on OGN and OB. I don't know if anybody actually can. And Brunson, if we're within 10 in the fourth quarter, he's Captain Clutch. He is the best closer in basketball. And he will get the job done while Jay Tatum disappears 0-7. Don't look now, Pacers might be the hottest team in basketball, might be the most dominant team

in basketball. Let's go to the West. Last night was another massive upset if you look at what the spread was beforehand. This Oklahoma City team was being talked about all year. This is the team. This is the team This is the team SGA doesn't get enough respect This team doesn't get enough credit because they're from a small market Oklahoma City is the team Well, they just ran in a coach Joker and a boy

Yeah, and down the stretch they him losing his mind need you need you do this and remember he said just the other night after game him losing his mind. Need you, need you do this and remember he said just the other night after game after the last game of the last series he said I think the media is just paying attention to me coaching more on the sideline. I don't think so Joker. I think you're being much more of a coach, much more involved, much more empowered after the coach Malone firing and the general manager firing. I love everything I'm seeing out of Denver and I do wonder if there's a chance and maybe those players were done with Milan. I think you might be right. And I do wonder if there was a chance those players were done with the building with what GM was doing. Hey, we're a great team. We've won a championship. Maybe they didn't like the way things were going.

So the owner decides to get rid of coach and GM. I wonder if there's a players meeting that's like, hey, they did what we want, now it's on us. Because how they've looked, and how they've executed, and how they've been playing, this Denver Nuggets team looks like they can win a ship. We talked to some basketball people, Q Rich says, you fire your coach and GM a week and a half before the playoffs, you're basically saying this year we're not going to win. What if they said the complete opposite? What if there was a chance that there was a convo with Joker, and Gordon, and Murray Gordon and Murray and Braun and the boys over there and Russell Westbrook who Hucked up a sweet three at the end, maybe we could have won that thing perfect form great confidence Maybe he makes that fall

But what if there was a chatter with the team and Joker and the boys said we're good. We got this We know what we got to do. We have enough maturity on this team. We have enough championship pedigree They go into Oklahoma City and at the end the foul and free throw and then foul And then free throw game. I hate okay The final two minutes of this game took six minutes and 48 seconds in the video that the NBA posted it was down to 20 seconds with 20 seconds left with five minutes left on that video and that's because the fouling and the free throws and the fouling they were Able to foul Chad Holmgren. He misses, they get down the other end, Aaron Gordon drops a three in their eyeball,

and all of a sudden they go from losing game one in Oklahoma City with just seconds left, to stealing one in Oklahoma City because the way they played the game. D-Butch, I love this Nuggets team, and I like the fact that the players might have been challenged by the fact that we're moving on from the coach and GM This is your team now Joker's obviously taking control I love how much ownership they're taking if you run it back to the top Fox with Joker on the sideline The first thing I look at is a former player obviously football not basketball But as a foreign players on the sideline him talking to the guys

Looking like the coach the players around how bought-in are there how? How locked in are they to what he's saying? Like that's what I look at. Cause we know a lot of guys can get this moment and it's like, okay, it's for the cameras or it's a time to be a leader. It's time to say some shit on the sideline, but you can tell it's legit. Just based on how the guys around him are looking at him, you know, the respect they have for him. Cause he goes out there,

he puts it on the line all regular season. He'll put up 40 plus minutes. And he was dominant again last night, night 42 points 22 boards and six assists Like it's only three other guys in this league who've ever put up numbers like that Shaq will and Giannis and usually when you're on a list like that is some pretty elite shit But it wasn't just him It was a full effort always talk about championship pedigree to talk about what the Warriors talk about it with the Celtics and you got To talk about it here with this squad to you go to a hostile environment. Well, okay see obviously dominated all year long SGA probably be the MVP this year and those clips like we talked about Tatum and Brown not taking advantage of those matchups

If you go back to those nuggets clips Anytime Joker got a switch when it wasn't a big body only Harkin Steins probably got it can match up with them physically Yeah He was backing guys down and put them in the bucket absolutely dominating not only scoring Rebounding the ball and obviously getting other guys involved you talk about captain clutch I know it's Brunson right now, but Aaron Gordon. Yeah, this playoff run We had to dump tip back at the rim a couple games ago And then obviously the big-time three here to seal this one after check miss missed those free throws Aaron Gord actually knocked down two huge free throws

Down the stretch too. So just an all-around effort by this squad. I love this nuggets. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I like that I mean, I don't know anything about basketball. I don't know anything about it But you fire the coach and the GM that close to the playoffs and the players all buy in and continue to go It's like feels like the players might have been a part of this whole hey, we don't We're done with this. We got this We're the ones that are on the court and watching them have success after doing that and obviously we're a player-led show And we're always gonna see things through the players eyes, but like what Russell Westbrook has brought to that team obviously awesome I mean obviously incredible what a perfect spot for Russell Westbrook has brought to that team, obviously awesome. I mean, obviously incredible. What a perfect spot for Russell Westbrook.

You're like the fourth, fifth, sixth, maybe even seventh guy on that team at any given point. Doesn't need to have any pressure on him. But whenever we need energy, whenever we need defense, whenever we need a spark, Russell Westbrook comes in. Perfect, perfect role for him. Joker just being able to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, seemingly playing against children

all the time. Awesome. And then you've got obviously Aaron Gordon, Jamal Murray, these guys have been there, done that, and have had success, and they're all bought in. And the fact that they were able to steal one with the free throw game at the end of it, I assume only makes them believe even firmer,

what a shot, even firmer that what they did was right, and they are the right group for the job. I'm excited to watch his Nuggets team. And I think they're a problem. I think they are the right group for the job I'm excited to watch his nuggets team and I think they're a problem I think they are absolute problem last night I was flying home watching the like the run of that nuggets Oklahoma City game as I was flying home from Omaha Nebraska great to see the Cornhuskers there great to see the people there great chance to chit-chat with good there we got a fight on Saturday and St. Louis but as I was flying home I was watching the run of the games you know it's hard for me to

sleep so I'm able to keep up. And it's just like, Joker just controls that thing. You know, any time he wants, he can control that thing. He just takes it over. On the court, on the sideline, on the bench. And if he's got somebody smaller than him, he's backing that ass up, and he's moving you 10, there's nothing Caruso can do there.

Unless Caruso takes a fake fall, and an old buddy that was supposed to be the big meat that was going to be a problem for him, it's like Joker was laughing in this guy's face basically the entire game. I understand that this Oklahoma City team is damn good. I understand this Oklahoma City team has had an incredible year, but man it's hard whenever we get this playoff time, it's prime time where I see this loaded team and with a more invested Joker playing, it's like this team is going to be tough out is a tough out judge all of a sudden I like the Nuggets to I'm not

saying it cuz I like the Pacers but I expect obviously we expect I expect this to be a six-seven yeah I mean I expect we expect okay see the bells back and respond but this is because like you said coming into it before we went live you like This wasn't a big upset to me because I'm looking at hey Joker is probably the best player in the NBA So I don't think that's probably anymore right he is He's the best player in the NBA, but you know SGA will win the MVP this year MVP this year. Most valuable player. Yeah.

So, you know, we've had that conversation. Joker could win it. So, as an outside fan looking in, it's like, why is he a 9.9 on the team that he's on? But OKC has been dominant. I think Greeny called them possibly one of the best teams ever. Oh yeah, he did. Yeah, so we'll see. I expect the best back in this, their opportunity to kind of make a real name for themselves

on the global stage. Nuggets, if you do like them, they are not just to win the championship, but just to win this series up one Oh, they are plus 260 to win this series. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Join us now Ladies and gentlemen is a man who played in the NBA for 20 years He's a three-time six man of the year formerly an eighth overall pick in a year 2000 still young man That feels like a long time ago still play Why 2k quarter century? That's a long time ago. This guy's still got it I'm watching highlights of him playing pickup basketball. He's coaching at this point. Obviously as a Michigan alum, ladies and gentlemen, Seattle guy Jamal Crawford

Mr. Crossover, thank you for joining us. How you doing brother? I'm great. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it Okay, so I'm a football stooge doofus Okay, watch obviously the NBA more so in the playoffs and I watch the Pacers throughout the entire season I try to keep track of everything going on but not as dialed in until playoff time comes when every game But the Pacers games are on primetime. So with that being said Joker in this team and we've talked about it ad nauseam because I think it's a big deal. You fire your coach and GM that close to the playoffs. Is that a sentiment of players are done with these guys and they want to move on by themselves?

Is that a sentiment of we're going to mail it in for this year? Why do you think that decision was made? And do you think it has empowered Joker and the boys more so than ever before? Because I feel like that's what we're seeing from a Joker who's more animated, more vocal, feels like he's taking on a bigger leadership role publicly. Is that from the firing and do you think that was the purpose of the firings that happened Mr. Crossover? I think Joker's always been that leader.

I think we see it more now and he may step up his leadership more vocally and publicly because it is a younger coach and David Alomann, but you got to give props to Mike Malone as well because he set the tone for this team and he helped make this team a championship team and sometimes when you're a championship level team when this time of season comes around, that's when you dig in you like, okay, it's time. So I'm not saying that's why he got fired, but it could be a rallyinging cry they're using to kind of bolt together because right now they look dangerous and Joker is the best Player in the world for sure. Okay, so you agree with our sentiment He's the best player in the world feels like he can take over at any time

Legitimately feels like he can take over at any time his assists are wonderful. Obviously can pull boards He can shoot threes. He can back it down He can do it all and it feels like the boys around him know exactly what he wants from them and you know I the NHL we're talking to Biz from the spitting chicklets podcast and TNT's coverage and they were talking about these coaches getting six and a half seven million a year in business like coaches in the NHL like you can only do so much because it's such a read and react type sports so coaching matters but not really as much as people might think in maybe some other sports.

When it comes to basketball, and I'm saying Joker is currently coaching that team, is that potentially true? And how much does coaching matter, especially in these playoff games in these big spots? Coaching matters so much because that's when you can show the difference. Great players want to be coached. Yeah, most of the time they can figure out the problem 99% of the time. But I said a couple years ago, Joker wasn't playing against the player he's playing against anyway.

He's playing against your coach. He's so smart. The way he sees the game, he sees the game in reverse. And you can see, okay, see his plan was to make him a score. And that's probably the best way to try to play him because he's naturally unselfish. But now you throw it out the window because he goes gets 40 26 assists there's nothing he can't do on the court and I'm gonna take a step further Pat I think he's the one guy in this era who's blended the old school of the 90s and this new generation he could

play bully ball he could shoot threes he could play on the perimeter he can do anything on the court and he does it with with such ease that it's just he's one of the best players I've ever seen in my life. And humility too, Crossover. He's such a humble guy, almost too humble in my eyes. I think we need a little bit more souls, a little bit more moxie out of that man and I think we're seeing that right now. And it's not in like a flashy way. It's in like a leadership way. If I'm not going to talk, who will talk on this team? And they all rally around him. D-Butt mentioned it. Whenever he was speaking to the team on the sideline We showed in a video a couple times because he's so demonstrative and it's so awesome to watch Joker do this Everybody in that huddle is looking at him. Everybody in the huddle is paying attention. It's not like a oh fuck this guy

It's like no, what do you have to say Joker? We got massive respect and it's because they've been to the mountaintop together before You think it's because everybody in there knows that they Got the best player in the world on their team. I think it's both and the word you said humility He's not somebody just gonna talk cuz he got lips. He's not gonna just keep talking and talking once a year He's gonna talk when he has something to say and when he means it when he talks he has everybody's full attention He's he's been the best player for a while now I think now he reminds all of us that, yeah, I'm the best player.

And the coldest part is it's not like he's trying to be. He's not campaigning for it. He's just doing it and leading his team. Yeah, who's the new face of the league? Who's the new face of the league? It's like, well, there's this big Serbian guy. Might be the face, but he ain't gonna be the voice. And now he's starting to talk a lot more.

He's not just talking cuz he has lips. Love that. Love that. Love that line. Gonna start using it and acting like it's mine. D-Bud has a question for you, Mr. Crossover. Yes, sir. Jamal, so you're a three-time six man of the year, so I wanna ask you about,

we know the star players and the big faces of the league, per se, but who's that biggest X factor, you think, left in the playoffs? And every team kinda has their own guy, whether it's Russ or Derek right? Hey, pretty white. I'm sorry, whoever it is. Who's the biggest X Factor in your opinion left in the dance? Man, I'm gonna say Westbrook think about this

Three years ago people try to cancel Westbrook. Oh, he's you know a vampire in the locker room He's this he's that and all accounts. I've ever talked to all his teammates. They love him. He's one of their favorite teammates He brings life. He's not the perfect player He's a Hall of Famer and he got moxie and he got heart and he he just the big moments the bigger the moments The better rush is and he's bringing a whole different swagger He's that one X fact you can't prepare for it will get off It's a rebound and who had a big three the Clippers try to go under make him a shooter his three threes in that game It takes him out and then

Hangs all the rim like he's playing in summer league to get a technical center message like So we'd love to see him do well, I absolutely love watching Russ just because You know so what he might not have the most pure jump shot. So what he might fight a fan So what he might fight a fan. So what he might be a little fiery. He is the same person all the time. Every time. Every single time. Dog, like he can play football obviously.

He's the guy that can play football in the NFL if he chose to. And you talk about sending a message right there, him timing that up with the ref and just saying, yeah, so what, now what, we're up 30. I don't give a damn. Especially when the story was that Steve Ballmer flew all a bunch of Los Angeles Clippers fans into Denver so even more so I assume they love him in that locker room I assume Russell Westbrook is be

loved there and what a perfect role for him a perfect spot for him hopefully he does get a chance to get his flowers here in the mile-high city let's talk about the other massive upset from last night. Boston Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Jay Cross, big Celtics fan here. And obviously the discourse today is all about how the Celtics took 63s, how they missed 45 of them. My question is, do you think that game two here, the Celtics should take 70, 83s?

Cause personally it feels as though that's the only way that the Celtics are one going to get their mojo back is to maybe go, I don't know, 60 of 80 from three point land and score 200 points in game two. The one thing about Coach Mozilla we know is he's not running, you know, from the chimney, he's running up the chimney. So if he's like, we didn't take enough. And it's proven he doesn't he doesn't care I think they make more threes, but I think you got to give the Knicks credit as well the balance they had

We know Breslin can take it over But when og is rolling with cats rolling McHale's rolling Josh Hart you get four or five guys in double figures I think that's the blueprint for the Knicks to be successful and then when they bring their defense to the table That's like adding another star player because they get easy points in transition but the Celtics I think will feel very better this next game and I think you're right he's going for 73 this next game. That would be awesome what do you think about this Celtics team obviously in years past before they won a championship when Joe was just beginning as the head coach he's this

young guy is he equipped for the job there's a lot of OGs talking shit about him they were a three three point shooting team. I mean, that's just what it was. They were hocking up threes, hocking up threes, hocking up threes. I think it's because they saw Golden State win a bunch while doing it. Three points is better than two points, but if the shots weren't falling, everybody would say Joe Mazzullo has no other answer. Joe Mazzullo needs to have an answer.

Joe Mazzullo needs to have an answer. They've won a championship now, so I don't think you can question Joe Mazzullo's legitimacy, but this does seemingly be, this does seemingly show up as the Achilles heel for Joe Missoula's Celtics team. If they can't get a three to fall, it's over for them. Is that an accurate assessment of the Celtics team? And do you think that that'll, do you think water will find its level in the next game? Do you think they'll start making them again? And, or do you think there's a chance you kind of get cold for a little bit if you're Boston? You can get cold I think both things can be true you can get cold but I think with them is their pace. The way to play the Celtics is this way if you play them and it's close

and they start going one-on-one and they lose their ball movement and they lose their pace and then now the shot's out it's open their role players aren't as comfortable that's your best chance to beat them but if they're playing with their pace and they're hitting their threes they're like Tyson they're the knockout puncher. They can knock you out. They have enough firepower, but they have to keep their pace. They have to keep their ball moving.

If they slow down to any point and they're not making threes, that's when they struggle. But I think they own it and he's proved it. I think they go all in and shoot even more threes. And I think they'll pick their pace up to get easier quality looks. What do you think about the Knicks?

Jalen Brunson's an absolute dog. Obviously we all enjoy the way he plays. I mean I love the way he plays. That three he hit obviously to win the last series against Detroit. I was in New York City that night. The entire place erupted. The whole city erupted. Obviously that game was in Detroit.

But like the whole, everybody hit the streets. Knicks jerseys everywhere and everybody, everybody is Jalen Brunson. What do you think of this next team? That was crazy about that is Rick Brunson was my OG, he was my vet. So I used to shoot with Jalen in Chicago in like the practice facility when he was eight years old. And then maybe a month ago, my wife,

we're watching the game, the next game, she's like, oh, they got your number on, number 11. I said, no, I'm old news, that's Jalen Brunson, now it's his town. He's unbelievable the way he plays plays his pace. He gives them confidence He's like that point garbage like a quarterback because he's always surveying He knows when and why and how and the way he plays playing off of two feet playing off of physicality He can always get to a spot and he's confident enough and prepared enough that he knows if you're cheating just enough

I'll find that shooter over there. So they're dangerous, they're dangerous and that's why this series can be really good against the Celtics as well. Detroit plays vastly different than Boston. Does this make life easier for Jalen or harder for Jalen the way the Celtics play? Because it felt like when I was watching them play Detroit, I mean they were just trying to, they were a super physical team. I mean I think everybody is a little bit more physical nowadays than maybe a couple years back But detroit had four hands on jalen and he was still making magic happen seemingly every possession The way boston plays does that help jalen play better or do you think uh game one is not necessarily the same as the rest Of the series is going to go The series will go a little bit different But I think he's more comfortable because like you said Detroit came with a youth a youthfulness a young energy

They came with you know, you're gonna make tough shots who cares their coaches already prepare them for that. He's a great player He's gonna make tough shots. Don't get discouraged Boston's a little bit different because their best defenders drew holiday He's just coming back, you know, I mean, so it's not the exact same and he's an unbelievable defender One of the more underrated players, but I think Brunson's more comfortable playing against the Celtics team at least on offense where that pressure and The physicality isn't quite the same as it was with Detroit great celebration. Yeah He does the European three though, you know, we remember that from in glorious bastards, you know, I actually What's that? I didn't know that I didn't know that you're educating me right now. Have you ever seen it? Have you ever seen in glorious bastards? I have not okay good movie actually for the time

We're in right now actually a pretty good movie to potentially watch Brad Pitt is Absolute dog in there. Anyways, it's during you know, World War two He got some Nazis around, you know, and we may be infiltrated a world that they had a bar that they had and maybe infiltrated a world that they had, a bar that they had, and the American counts to three and goes one, two, three, and gives it away that he's not European because yours, one, is the thumb.

You know, then two, then three, yeah. So it actually, it was a tell and all hell broke loose. Yeah, because of that. So yeah, good movie, good movie. Great. Z German. Tarantino. Yeah, it's not just Z German. Tarantino. Yes, I just see German I believe Z Europeans there hit the the one two three. So Jalen doing that. We'll love it. It's a great

Yeah, you can't you can't do that. Sully everywhere. You got it that's not a bi-coastal selling just Just what are you talking put some awareness out there for everybody? What are you talking about? Everything you see on TV. You can't do it everywhere like for everybody. What are you talking about? Everything you see on TV you can't do it everywhere. You can't do it everywhere. Yeah it may not be cool in LA, may be cool in New York. What are you talking about? When I was 14 years old I went and played soccer in Chula Vista California. Just like in Glory's back, all hell can break loose. So you don't want that on you. Okay they told me not to wear a couple different colors wherever I walked outside

the hotel when I was 14 years old, 15 years old over in Chula Vista California. I only had two colors in my bag. They say yeah, don't wear that one out there. Don't worry I said what the hell is that? What the hell is that me? What am I supposed to wear? I don't have any other clothes you guys gonna buy me clothes. Oh, you're saying in the hotel it appears Tarf's off You're saying this potentially potentially. I didn't know that. Where should we not be doing the Jalen Brunson celebration? I think you're good in New York, but uh, you're good on the East Coast. You're good on the East Coast, I'd say overall. I move a little different. Oh, so over there in Seattle, where crossover's at? Different politics over there. Yeah, okay. All right, all right. Sounds good. Thank you for the heads up. Yeah, thank you for the heads up. I appreciate that. You see, this is my coaching sweatshirt. I'm safe with my sweatshirt right here. This is my coaching

sweatshirt. Hey, we all want to be safe and respect the area that we're in Oh, okay, whether it's German German bar down there, you know, or the West Coast It sounds like we need to go ahead and keep the mask on fuck it mask off actually Let's talk about the games tonight and the rest of the NBA playoffs. Go ahead tone digs Yeah, Jamal the Pacers went into Cleveland as huge underdogs And I think they looked like the better team and got the win in game one And then for game two they were ten point dogs to Cleveland The line has dropped three and a half points because you know, Darius Garland Deandre Hunter Evan Mobley

They all weren't at shoot around this morning. We don't know what their status is for game two But Cleveland still huge dogs dog or sorry Cleveland still huge favorites favorites to win the series Do you think Cleveland should be favorites still to win the series? How do you feel about it as a whole? Man, I think the Pacers that they're, they're coming some swagger and the way they're playing it up and Carlisle, of course, Carlisle doesn't get enough credit as well. Championship coach, the way he has him playing, he has their pace still the same.

He had six guys in double figures and almost another two off the bench and double. That's almost eight guys in double figures. I don't care who you are. That's tough to win He's giving them a certain fearlessness to empower them to be themselves. So they have a punch of chance I don't know like you said the other guys stats with the Cavs, but right now I think I may pick Andy in this series. I Like to hear that Wow, I like nobody's doing that. You know, nobody's doing that I like to hear that. Wow. I like nobody's doing that. You know, nobody's doing that Yeah, I know. Hey, I said that I said the T wolves beat the Lakers I think I was one of one of one to say that as well. And so, you know, I'm going with Indian this year All right on that note. I'm going with Indy as well. Can't wait to watch them tonight. Tyrese Halliburton is must watch

Okay, this is old-school point guard not scared to put others over not scared to add a little flair as well as the spread has dropped to seven And a half Cavaliers only favored by seven half was eight and a half I believe this morning I believe it was nine and a half yesterday or two days ago So that thing is slowly moving towards Terrence Crawford's Opinion of how this game could go you said you picked timber wolves over Lakers Are the timber wolves able to go tie as a question for you. Yeah, Jamal speaking of the T wolves I mean we've seen who and Ant Man has eliminated so far in his career players teams like the list just keeps getting longer and longer very Impressive and now the the media, you know kind of like last year

They're kind of positioning him as one of if not the face of the NBA moving forward Do you like the T Wolves in this series against the Warriors or do you think Steph and Company are going to give them all they can handle? I think Steph and Company will give them all they can handle because we're talking about Ant-Man's resume and who he's knocked out and what it could do for him to get to that championship round and win a championship. What about on the other side with Curry's resume? What that will add to it? That will put him at five championships that will put, you know, him in a whole another ballpark. We would really have to look at him differently. So I think he's

playing and leading with that kind of energy as well. They already had a, you know, dust up with Draymond and Ant-Man in the season at some point. You already know Ant-Man is a fearless, you know, dog. Draymond's the same thing. Jimmy Butler's same thing. So it's gonna be a good one. This one I can't pick. I need to watch the game and see how they, you know, position themselves first in that one. Jamal, I just called you Terrence at one point there. I apologize, you know, too much of my algorithm. No, I was in the ring with Canelo in September, so I was gonna, you know, I was gonna let that go. Lot of sweet signs.

Yeah, that's sweet signs. September 12th, Allegiant Stadium, I mean, it's gonna be a big one. I 100% apologize and before we go Did you know after last night's shooting performance by Boston that this is legitimately how every Boston male is been acting this morning I'm available Joe. Okay, so whenever you see that obviously Con Man, good shooting bud. Good shooting bud. Can you tell me, so they go 15 to 60, okay, last night shooting a 3. And we obviously have NBA 3s here and we shoot a lot. We shoot a lot here. NBA guys in warmups, never missing, right?

Like we see the clips in the back, never missing. What changes? Is the pressure from the defense? You just get a little tight, you get a little doubt. What do you think it is that maybe turns a guy or a team into a poor shooting team? Is it just tightness? Is it just not feeling it? And then how come in warm-ups not a ball touches the rim? It's splash, splash, splash for everybody. Yeah, the popcorn's not popping at that moment. It's just still early. People are getting to their seats. They're still comfortable, but the pressure, the pressure is not popping at that moment. It's just still early people get into their seats They're still comfortable, but the pressure the pressure is different. It's one thing for us to watch it It's one thing to tweet about it or Instagram it but when you're in that that mode and 20,000 people in the stadium

The whole world are watching these games that shot feels like a boulder at times So it's not as casual as easy what I used to do Pat before big games is I was gonna play the music I'll use listen to a high school to relax me. It gave me a certain fearlessness. I think some Celtics need to go back to high school and watch some of that stuff and then they'll reset the brain. Alright, you got drafted in 2000. Were you straight out? No, you went to college. What was high school music that you were listening to?

Oh, Tupac, DMX, Jay-Z, Nas, all the golden era. So you're telling me you're sitting out there and it's, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. You dancing while warming up? We're vibing out there. Oh yeah, I'm vibing, I'm all the way vibing.

I'm doing the same thing. I'm dribbling to the beat, I'm doing all the same thing. You got to still got the handles everybody saying you're a little older now. Everybody's wondering. Hey, I'm not 45. I'm 45 All right All right, well you cut out whatever we make noise so we haven't been able to like really talk our shit to you But we want to let you know you made us much better today and we appreciate the hell out of you joining us boss man. Hey I appreciate y'all can I give a shout out to my son Ericus's birthday today shout out to my guy yes sir 27 training kids doing his thing and shout out to my team Steven Jordan J Mize JJ Titan Owen Luke Shay Carter those boys are one of the best bet Hell yeah, happy didn't forget any names or maybe it did that's on you. Ladies and gentlemen, Jamal

That's a very aggressive take whatever you're on TV They're on a microphone when you start giving a shout out to a group of people and all of a sudden you get in the middle You're like, oh no, let's start looking around the room. Let's start looking around the room in our mind Let's not forget anybody in there because all it takes It's a it's maybe worst-case scenario you forget one person Yep, and the fact that he's got that shout out to his team shout to the coach out to his kid Eric Happy birthday to him and shouts crossover being an absolute dogs. Yes. He'll post some clips on his social media every once in a while He's like I'm 40 fly for good reason. He's still there's levels to this shit

Yes, and there always will be and it feels like his takes on the NBA are always so like Logical and I appreciate every time he comes through. I mean played for so long and at a high high level I forget what crazy stat he has one of the oldest players to drop like 50. Yeah Yeah, he's like one of the first players ever to have four different 50-point games of four different teams Yeah, so he's been around he's been around the sweet side of basketball He's Jamal Crawford both of them certainly high-level Performers Crawford great name great great name in there He said to us one time whenever we asked him about Tyrese Halliburton how people say he's maybe a liability on defensive side

Mr. Crossover said they called me a liability too But just gotta put buckets up on the other side and that kind of leads to the Luka conversation I mean there's a lot of offseason convo's that are about to happen for the NBA Are the Lakers ever gonna be able to get it done? Who are they gonna have to get in there? Where's Kevin Durant going? Where's Yonis going? I mean, how the Celtics gonna look? Yeah, next year. If the Celtics don't could youonis going? How the Celtics gonna look? Yeah. Next year. If the Celtics don't, could you imagine they get swept by the New York Knicks?

Pah. Wow. I don't think. No, I can't. We can play that game. For sure. I saw that. Well, maybe if they sign you, they won't.

Yeah. I would agree with you. And look, I'm a cheap commodity. I can buy up on Wednesday night, but I'll be back here on Thursday. I just need to get, you put me in the corner I'm in splash splash splash splash. That's a euro there. Look, there's a little sauce there I didn't want to reveal all my tricks But I did want to see you kind of show my handling in the paint Even though wouldn't really make sense if we're not we're not really driving to the paint

But I just want to show that I can still do that. On that note, Hembo sent me a stat of possessions in the paint here. This is from Genius IQ. Ball was not touched in paint. This is when the ball is not touched in paint. Celtics on 59 of 102 possessions. The ball did not go into the paint. That's 58 percent of the time they had the ball. For the Knicks, it was only 40 percent or whatever. 102 possessions, the ball did not go into the paint. That's 58% of the time they had the ball.

For the Knicks it was only 40% or whatever. Obviously, so that's a 20% swing on when the ball is getting closer to the bucket, which you would assume, physics says easier shots. Yeah, yeah. But they're only worth two. Only worth two? Everybody seemingly forgets they're only worth two.

Those ones outside, those ones are worth more points. So if you shoot those, you have the odds on to have more points than the other team Is that not what we're trying to do here? I know I completely agree you can also kick it out, you know in the defense's class But Bruce brought up towns being in foul trouble early like the whole reason granted his third foul was definitely not a foul But the whole reason he got two quick fouls because they were driving to the lane and then them stop it I mean it is what it is live by by the sword, dive by the sword.

I trust Missoula. I genuinely do think this is still a Celtics in five situation. We can ride a lot of four straight, but if you're making $300 million, just going to need you to make two or three more shots here, a pop if possible. Yeah, but 17 missed free throws for Nick. That's a good point. Okay, so there's okay so they're all getting better too over there let's pivot away from the NBA and we appreciate the NBA legit appreciate everything right now great last night was electrifying that flight home for me after raw is normally pretty

you know just trying to figure out what life is trying to figure out what the show is gonna be getting a chance to catch up on those two games. I was like, thank you, association. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Joining us now from the world of college football is, uh, I'm going to read what Google says ESPN's foremost college football playoff insider. There you go. Ooh, ladies and gentlemen, writer analyst insider for ESPN for college football, friend of the program, Heather Dinnage.

How you doing, Heather? I'm good. Thanks for having me on. insider for ESPN for college football. Friend of the program, Heather Dinage. How you doing Heather? I'm good, thanks for having me on. Thank you for taking such a late request and doing this in your car, nice car by the way. Nice leather there Heather. Very nice. Nice leather there Heather, you earned it.

You've earned it. So let's dive in here pretty quickly because we know we're taking time out of your day. We thank you for doing this. There's been some college football news that have kind of rattled out over the last couple days. First and foremost in Michigan Shrone Moore self-imposed two-game suspension. They're doing that for games three and game four. Obviously they play Oklahoma game two which is where coach

Shrone Moore coached or played I believe maybe got his coaching career and obviously a much better team Than maybe weeks three in week four He is doing this because he deleted all his messages with Connor Stallions and anytime there is a self-imposed punishment There's usually punishment coming from Somebody else as well. How did we get to this point? I thought we were past all of this Heather. Oh How did we get to this point? I thought we were past all of this, Heather. Oh no, this is the soap opera that won't end, Pat.

And it was one of the most interesting stories of the season when it broke. What was it? Two seasons ago. And you know, to be honest with you, I would expect Michigan to do exactly what it did when this all happened, which is Michigan versus everybody. You remember how that turned out? Wow while they went and they beat everybody. This is a different Michigan team than the one that won the national title though.

That year they had so many guys come back and veteran guys. But I mean, even without this, you would expect more from Michigan this season. But yes, it's huge news. It's devastating for the program that they're continuing to have to deal with this, but at the end of the day, they're still beating Ohio State a couple years in a row now and if they can do it again, that's it. Geez, yeah, the people of Ohio State, obviously still thinking about that,

even though they won a national championship, they're still thinking about that. Let's talk about a national championship now Texas obviously looking to win one of those it has now been reported that they're potentially have a 40 million dollar roster is this just what it is for college ball now because last year whenever we heard Ohio State at a 20 million dollar roster we were all mind blown because it was the first time we had really heard a number in this new college football world and Then there was a bunch of other schools. They're like, yeah Ohio State has 20 million definitely talk about them while they had Potentially a bigger roster or more expensive roster than anybody Is this accurate and is this what it costs to play ball now at a high level in college ball Heather? I

Can't tell you if it's accurate. I'm not gonna pretend to say that I've seen any paperwork that breaks down specifically how much every player is getting paid at Texas. But to answer your question, yes, it costs money to win a national title, millions and millions of dollars. But the thing that I don't think people realize about this is that programs even as wealthy as Texas, Ohio state, Alabama, the list goes on with the blue bloods. I don't think that this is sustainable.

Once you've got the NCAA house settlement in terms of this pending salary cap with about $20.5 million, how much longer? Also I've talked to athletic directors who say there's booster fatigue over this. So at some point it feels like Wall Street where a bubble's going to burst, but yes, this is the cost of doing business in college football to win a national title.

Got Arch Manning at the helm. You got Sark who was on a run last year until Jack Sawyer said, give me me that and took it the other way The Texas people are okay with winning the national championship Everybody's okay giving money unless it doesn't work if it doesn't work Then you're gonna get a little gun shy and to your point about booster fatigue Every coach is telling every booster that if they give this money for this particular player What do you get in return you get a parking spot?

You get a chance to maybe come to the game, and we're going to win. Well, what happens if you don't win? Well, that rich person is probably going to decide to spend their money on other things like cars with sweet, impeccable tan leather, like Heather Denich has. That money could go a lot of different places. So you got to win whenever you got it. Hopefully Sark is able to do that. Let's talk about the college football playoff where everybody's trying to get to. AP Tone has a question for you, Heather. Yeah, Heather, in the first year of the 12-team playoff last year, the highest ranked conference championships got the buys.

Conference champions, sorry, got the buys. There was talk of potentially just the highest four ranked teams getting buys moving forward. Are we anywhere closer to that? Is there going to be any changes as far as the seating goes for this next upcoming playoff year? They're still trying to figure that out. What's amazing is that all of my sources have told me that within the room, everyone agrees that the seating should change. And it has to be unanimous in order to change it for this fall. But they're not ready to vote on it because there's politics involved, right?

They also have to figure out what the- Cowards. What the class is going to look like in 2026 and beyond. Tell me how you really feel, Pat. Tell me how you really feel. That's how I feel. I feel that there's too many cowards in the world today.

I feel like there's too many people that feel one thing, say something differently. Behind closed doors or on the right side of things, publicly, I don't wanna take the heat for it. As somebody who has taken a lot of shots to the shins for a lot of things and said a lot of things that a lot of other people have said, I feel like you are the cowards. Whenever you know that something needs to be changed, you have the power to make a change, and you refuse to do so because you're scared of a little bit of

a blowback, that's why you're putting those positions Heather. That's why you are put in those seats to make the tough decisions. That's your job and I hate it hearing what you just said right there. Everybody behind closed doors says this is the right move. Then they come up publicly and they're scared to do it. It's like I don't like that. Not just sports, that happens in the world obviously as we all know Heather. I don't know not just sports that happens in the world obviously as we all know Heather Well, it does but and and they might still do it. They have another meeting coming up in June So they're gonna continue to talk about it The question is do they tie it in to 2026 and beyond? I think that when you talk about the next iteration of the playoff if I had to guess I would say it's probably

Going to go to 14 teams. Does it have automatic qualifiers? All the nitty gritty things are what they're trying to figure out. But the reality is even, even in 2026 and beyond with 14 teams, you still have to seed the teams. So I'm having a hard time understanding why you can't change it for this fall and keep it that way. And to be clear, so your audience knows what it would be to change it, it would be the top four teams in the ranking

get the top four seats. Doesn't mean you have to be a conference champion. So that means if you have Alabama and Georgia at one and two, they get the one and two seats. And conference championships still mean something. You can still get in the tournament, you just don't get, you know, a bye and then a home playoff game. That's a, I think they had a year one, it was good. I think,

you talk about fatigue, I think there was maybe some fatigue on when the games or how deep the games went. I think people viewing habits were getting used to the college football playoff and how it went. But there was what? There was pretty lopsided first round, then lopsided second round. I think the seeding would help all of that. And I think we're all on the right side of it.

So don't be cowards in there. Okay, you have a chance to make this better for all of us. Now, speaking about getting better for all of us, I think we see some glaring weaknesses in ball as a whole. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Heather, during the playoff, it got pretty loud about the transfer window being open and players having to decide if they wanted to continue playing with their team that was in the playoff or go to a different school.

And then we know there's also a April window that is open. Is there talks about possibly just one transfer portal window to avoid all these things especially when it comes to kids looking for more money multiple times within a four month period? Yes there's talk about that and the ideal situation from coaches that I've talked to is one transfer portal and athletic directors. I talked to Ohio State Athletic Director Ross Bjork about this actually just a couple of weeks ago and he said the ideal window, 10-day window, he thought would probably be in May. He said maybe you do another one later for spring sports but May would be good for the fall sports.

And he said that going back to the college football playoff, the thing that needs to be changed the most and reevaluated right now is the college football calendar and making one 10-day transfer portal window is at the top of a lot of people's lists. I think that would make everybody's life easier including the players, you know, just Scattering from school to school to school after a semester and that's not good for anybody So hopefully they're able to get the job done What the coaches would rather the April one, obviously, instead of the December one. And then in basketball, I think they would rather a different time for theirs as well.

That's a college sports problem that they're having at the time. We assume it'll get fixed. Once again, don't be cowards. Don't be cowards. You're in those positions to make decisions. Not everybody's going to love every move, but for the betterment of the game, for the betterment of the athletes, for the betterment of the sport, you're going to have to make decisions not everybody's gonna love every move but for the betterment of the game for the betterment of the athletes for The betterment of the sport you're gonna have to make a tough decision sometime coward now

Speaking of tough decisions. There was one that was made by a defensive coordinator D. But has the last question for you here Yeah We got the opportunity to watch a first hand kind of boots on the ground Ohio State Dominate the playoffs and going to run to be the national championships National champions in the big reason was Jim knows I saw you posted earlier You got a chance to talk to him about his move to Penn State. What kind of winnings that I? Did I sat down with Jim and his office at Penn State last month and he told me that it boiled down to the timing of Ohio State's contract extension

offer. He said had Ohio State offered him a contract extension before the national championship game, he would not have considered other options but that didn't happen and so everything happened quickly after the national championship game. The door opened to explore other opportunities. He reached out to Penn State where he's from Philly. He grew up a Penn State fan. A lot of it made sense and $3.1 million also helped seal the deal. So Penn State got a huge hire. I would call it maybe the best coordinator hire of the off season and it'll be interesting to see how much his

Knowledge of Ohio State helps the Nittany Lions this fall. Yeah, and obviously wasn't able to be Michigan there. So, you know That's a that's a problem Penn State has he came over from where Oklahoma State right as soon as he got to Ohio State Ohio State's defense got a lot better. Everybody thought the defense was the problem. He comes in, they inevitably become a national champion. Allegedly he had a deal done like a year before, then he wanted a new deal obviously because of how great we're doing. They were kind of what dragging their feet and he said these jobs are getting filled quick, I need to think about me. Wasn't even a lot to go to the parade. No he was not. Wasn't even a lot to go to the parade. He was trying to leave. Well, he turned his back on the Buckeyes, what Ohio State says. All of Ohio. Yeah, the entire state. No

booster fatigue Penn State. None at all. Penn State's never gonna have booster fatigue until they get a national championship. They are on the hunt. They can pay anybody anything from what I've been told. So if I had a kid who was a dog, I would at least give a call up to Penn State. You guys got how many millions? All of them. them okay sweet I think they're gonna be a problem Ohio State's office give a problem Texas gonna be a problem Oregon's gonna be a problem in West Virginia's back Heather that's what I'm hearing you're in the same thing we got the throwback jerseys we just announced. They look clean. That's your golden blue right there, D-Buch. OK.

How many wins is that? What year is that from? 1965. 1965. OK. Let me see that helmet again. That's nice. Ooh! Kind of looks like Green Bay Packers, like, uh.

Yeah, they're alternate jerseys. Yeah, those poopy ones. Heather, Indiana going to be OK? They have to refill as well. You know, I think that Illinois is gonna be this year's Indiana if I'm being honest with you. I really like what Beelahma has coming back they've got a quarterback they've got 18 stars they've got all their stars back on the offensive line and they don't play Oregon

Michigan or Penn State I think that's right so they have that schedule like like Indiana had last year so look out for the Illini. Oh, Indiana had that Iowa schedule, and now Illinois has got the Iowa schedule. That's awesome. I can't wait for college ball. We appreciate you taking time. Enjoy the off season, ladies and gentlemen.

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The Cleveland Cavaliers were supposed to beat the hell out of the Pacers. In Tyrese Halliburton and the boys went into Cleveland and stole game one in Dominating fashion will they be able to do it again? We shall see then you have the Golden State Warriors taking on Ant Man and the Timberwolves late night 930 on TNT and true TV Steph Curry is playing an electrifying style of basketball again Jimmy Butler has added something special for the Steve Kerr team. Draymond Green still exists and Ant-Man interacting with them is going to be must watch from beginning to end. Shout out to the NBA showing up tonight. Then the NHL have a couple big time.

Game ones. The Carolina Hurricanes will travel to Washington to take on Alexander Ovechkin, the greatest goal scorer in the history of hockey. Tom Wilson, the greatest menace in the history of hockey in the Washington Capitals. How will that game fare? We shall see seven o'clock tonight on ESPN and the Edmonton Oilers who Ryan Whitney is pulling for. Take on the Golden Knights of Las Vegas at 9 30 on ESPN. Tonight is packed with playoff sports and we're so incredibly lucky that we get a chance to chit chat about it every single day. The NFL obviously always happening. Adam Peters, the general manager of the

Washington Commanders will join us in about 17 minutes or so. Can't wait to catch up with him. He had a great draft. He got a guy in the fourth round that ran a 4-3-4-40 and people are considering the greatest returner in all of college ball and also a man who won a humanitarian of a state of Virginia award. I have no idea how Jalen Lane was still available at pick 128 but I can't wait to chat with Adam Peters about how surprised he was that that was the case. What he did at the combine, the human he is, the amount of yards he put up and the fact that they are loading up for Jaden Daniels, this feels like a home run draft for Adam Peters and that was in the fourth round I can't wait to

hear what he thinks about the offensive tackle they took in the first round the DB they took in the second round and then how they cleaned it up and then also the big-time trades to kind of solidify not only the offensive line but some weapons for Jaden Daniels as he enters season two after a historic rookie season man the Washington commanders were literally worried about poop pipes bursting a couple years ago. Yeah, now they got it all. Every other day, the Washington commanders had a new hit piece being released from

some publication trying to take down their building, their culture, their ownership, their players, their everything. Even the cheerleaders at one point were a part of a lot of this entire conversation. Not good at all. None of it was good. A lot of it was very serious, a lot of terribleness. And then Schneider sells the team to Josh Harris, Magic Johnson and team. And all of a sudden, the Washington commanders become a favorite in the NFC East, a favorite

in the NFC as a whole, and a favorite of ours to watch play. And whenever they build that new stadium with the renderings that are kind of being placed out there in Washington, DC, at the old stomping grounds RFK that place is gonna be glorious think of the concert center about that oh yeah I mean about everything that's gonna take place in the country's capital with that beautiful stadium coming to town if you look back a few years ago there was no chance anybody was gonna okay any public money going to the Washington football team or to the Washington commanders and a previous ownership what a turnaround cannot wait to hear from Adam Peters

on what it's been like on inside the building, feeling that all happened. Obviously Dan Quinn's the right head coaching candidate. Cliff Kingsbury has been a great offensive coordinator for him, a tone setter. Adam Peters, seemingly a genius, you know, and he used to work for John Lynch over there at the Niners, got a text from John Lynch actually,

he said, take care of my guy Peters today, can't wait to watch the conversation. I told John Lynch immediately, need you back on the show. He said, let's do it, we'll see whenever that happens. But whenever you think about a guy who comes from the Pats, then he's with the Broncos, then he's with the Niners, now he's with the Commanders, seen a lot of good balls, seen a lot of good moves, he's seemingly making a bunch of them.

Can't wait to catch up with him here in a matter of moments. Talks at the table is here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Ty, you think Connor's gonna get signed from that Video he put on social media of him shooting some threes after the Boston Celtics go 15 of 60 last night from three-point land in game One against the New York Knicks There's certainly a chance But I think probably less less so for hitting the threes and finishing through contact with the euro step on the finish there

I mean, that's what they need, you know, they got plenty of guys on their team on their bench They can go out there and Chuck threes and miss them Chuck threes. He's not chucking threes. I know but that's what he's making That's what I'm saying though. They think you hit the rim. He hit the rim on one of these We mentioned it. They're not going to miss 45 threes again. That's just not going to happen That's what they need they need a guy who's gonna euro step finish through contact get to the foul line make his free throws That's what they need if they want to you know win this series and that's what this guy can provide So I don't I mean the balls in Brad Stevens Joe Mazzullo's court. They've seen the footage So we'll see do they want to win another championship do that. How about how terrible they played and it went over time?

Oh, yeah, that's why you guys got a few like Joe Mazzola last night was probably doing jujitsu to about 4 a.m Choking head off of people and snapping bats. I assume with leg locks and everything he had going on He got it out of me. He probably whipped himself, you know Whatever all that stuff is Joe Mazzola does to keep himself locked in and it's like we played the absolute worst Historically worst game that our style of basketball has ever played. Yes most misses In the history of shooting threes most attempts in the history of shooting threes We're the worst Of all time at our style of basketball and it got the overtime and it was a very close game

It was tied 100 100 for what seemingly was 20 minutes Me and michael cole were obviously sitting at commentary desk. A lot is happening in Monday Night Raw. Last night's Monday Night Raw was crazy. There was a World Heavyweight Championship match on Monday Night Raw on Netflix and what a match it was. Then obviously all hell breaks loose at the end. CM Punk's back by the way with a chair. Great to see him kind of do his thing.

Jey Uso, Sammy and CM Punk standing tall together staring down this Paul Heyman, Seth Freakin' Rollins, Braun Breaker group that I think is up to no good. But we had the score of the game on the ESPN app on a phone in between us, and we looked over there, he's a Knicks fan, and it was 100, 100.

A lot of things happened in the ring. We look over 100, 100, so we were thinking that maybe the phone was frozen. Refresh, refresh, refresh. No, stayed at a hundo, stayed at a hundo state at a hundo This game was tight obviously gets the overtime and inevitably the New York Knicks get a massive win over the Boston Celtics and the shooting charts have been obviously talked about today The strategy has been talked about today

But not a lot of people have been chit-chatting about the fact that this New York Knicks team is just filled with dogs. They got dogs all over the place. Yep. And to go into Boston, God, and get a win is a feat in of itself. And to beat this particular Boston team and force this Boston team to shoot so terribly, you know, is obviously something they're going to hope and pray for going forward. Yeah, it should be a good series. I have already blocked Michael Cole, his number rather.

I don't want to hear from him again. It was pretty annoying after the game last night. But to your point, the worst thing that could happen is for them to stop doing this. I wasn't kidding when I asked Jamal Crawford, hey, should we shoot 73s next game? Double, triple down personally. And I don't know how everybody feels

because every year in the playoffs, it seems like now people will just start burying Joe M Missoula for fun. I trust him with my life So both fighting and touch both fighting both coaching Running basically anything that Joe Missoula does I trust him to get the job done So I want and I hope that he does come out and say like oh, yeah We're gonna we're gonna shoot 75 times and hopefully it'll be one of those press conferences after game two like oh No one's gonna ask me about the adjustments I made and then he stands up and walks off like he did last year in the playoffs. Yeah, I

I appreciate the way the Celtics team is covered not talked about all year. Yes, then we get to the playoffs Well, they should just beat everybody Wait a minute. they didn't. Oh, this team sucks. It seems terrible. It's like the Mastholes have had a lot in the sports world to be arrogant about. The Mastholes in sports have had a lot to talk shit about. The Mastholes in sports have had a lot of shade thrown their way for the amount of success

that they've had, but they just keep stacking chips on the shoulders of these Boston Celtics. They're in irrelevant conversation all season, even though they're damn good. Remember the Cleveland Cavaliers this year were the team in the East. Not saying they're not, still could be. In tonight's game against the Pacers,

I don't think it goes the same way as the first game, but doesn't matter. Pacers stole one in Cleveland. But then we get to the playoffs and it's like, well, this team isn't who we thought they were. I was like well what do we think they were? Well we thought they're the best team in the league. Well why didn't you talk about them all season then? And it's like well because they're the why would we talk about it? Yeah then we'll talk about

them during the playoffs. Yeah and then whenever they look it's a it's a very fascinating kind of social conversation about the Boston Celtics legitimately. Tatum's a guy he's about to be a gold medalist. You know. Not a guy I mean he is. I know he's an Olympic gold medalist but he wasn't really. Who gold medalist? I don't know. But he really wasn't used. He's a national he's a world champion he's an MVP. Brown also and it's like they have all these guys and none of these guys are talked about every single day in the lexicon of the NBA. It's a complete opposite of that actually so I I'm pumped to see what Joe Mazzullo does To bounce back from this loss

And I'm also excited to see if the Knicks can continue to hang in there because that feels like that's what the Knicks do Is they kind of get you dirty? They're not scared to fight you and they'll get a big-time win so congrats to them last night one half of the hammer down Cowboys AP tone is here nine-year vet, Darius J. Butler is here. That's a cool sweatsuit. Thank you. Is that swooshy or is that cool? Kind of swooshy.

Like swooshy? Not too swooshy. Like if you were to rub your legs, we'd hear you coming. Shoo, shoo, shoo, shoo, shoo. Block terrain. Wind breaker, kind of a hybrid. Weather's turning out here.

It's beautiful. Yes it is. Weather is turning here. It felt like as I was going in for landing this morning, there might've been a little bit of a wind gust, or the pilots were just deciding to get us down to Earth as fast as possible. Sure. It was a whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo open the door just to see if there's any panic up there. No panic at all. I guess there was massive amount of

wind shears, turbulence from, I guess, a couple thousand feet level. So we're trying to get down through it and out of it. I could have got a heads up beforehand, but I did have the doors closed. The weather is starting to really change. It's about to become beautiful time. I think it's gonna be 80 degrees on Sunday

here in Indiana. It's beautiful. I hope the rest of the Midwest is experiencing that because when the sun's out, you can't help but be happy. When there's this many sports on, you can't help but be happy. When there's this much shit to kind of enjoy life with, you can't help but be happy. Joining us now is a man who might be happy being a journalist, an insider, and maybe he got us a little bit more information.

He's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, in Connecticut in Ohio, AJ Hawke. Yay! Yay! Celtics gonna shoot 103s next game, you know that. Agreed, and they're probably gonna make 80 of them. Quick math, 200, 2400 points? Yep, 2400.

Probably. No, 240 points. Yeah, no, this one's counting for 30. 240 points. No, no, this one's counting for 30. 240 points. What was it? What's that? Oh, the ring situation.

Yeah, shocking. You know, no update from this situation. I'm not going to lie. You know? He won left over right hand on purpose. We know he did. Did you tell him that? Did you say, hey, we know you did that on purpose whenever you were taking the photos. We know that you knew people were gonna see this.

Is this an aura ring or is there something you didn't press at all on this overnight? Like we all thought your homework assignment was gonna be? No, surprisingly enough, I did not press him on this last night. Didn't come back and really try to dig to get to the bottom of it. I respect it.

Well, whenever you get that answer, let us know. The world will wait a baited breath. Did you guys play catch down there? Not of footballs, but of anything? Was there any throwing of anything by Aaron Rodgers? How's the arm look? I mean, I didn't see him really throw anything, but you know, he, he has that, that lightning quick release. And like I said, he does look good physically. He's definitely in shape taking care of himself. Oh, is it jacked up? So is he super jock like he was last year? We saw a super jock there.

Some people said he fought. Some of the suit. Nobody said that. So I saw people say Aaron Rodgers looks fucked. They're saying he looked out of shape. Yeah. Well, AJ was right there next to him. AJ was he-

No, he does not. No, he, you know, and how he, especially like off season there, he's always tan now. He's in great shape right now. Okay. He could have signed in one month. What are the conversations like? Did you talk ball or were you guys just talking

how horse betting the entire time? I mean mainly horse betting and everything else, but not a whole lot of ball. I mean obviously it's a fun lively group, but yeah not a ton of ball being talked. What did money team Ed have to say in his little bow tie? Did he say, hey we're making a decision soon, what are we doing here?

We can sell some sponsorships, we can make some magic happen? Yeah, I'll tell you what Ed Ed is awesome. Ed is great at what he does I what honestly I sit there peppered with questions about like I said Are you like representing high school players and that whole situation with agents in college and high school and dealing with parents like that was Very very interesting for me to hear how these agents and how parents That's what you should be asking about School kids. Yeah, you asshole Fuckin' high school kids. Yeah, you asshole.

AJ. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I mean, I appreciate you doing that, legitimately. Let's talk some NFL stuff here before Adam Peters joins us. Michael Strahan, legend. And Eli Manning, legend. Are both kind of vying for an ownership stake of the Giants but separately They've both I assume been approached by different money groups and I assume Mara has made it

Pretty public that he is willing to give up the 10% stake that the NFL owners voted to approve where you can get basically Like financial funds, money, investing in the team. So the NFL owners were never gonna allow people to just get these slush funds of money coming in by a team. Because some of these funds have billions, if not damn near trillions of dollars in it.

All these rich people put all their money together, there's a bunch of them, and they just buy shit up so they kind of own everything. Now, is it a part of the of society potentially is it a reality? Of society yes, so the NFL voted that yeah You can actually take some of these funds money only 10% so they can't be in control so every ownership group basically looked at her like so I can just get like 600 some million dollars right now from a fund and nothing changes in my life, and they're like absolutely

some million dollars right now from a fund and nothing changes in my life and they're like absolutely. Oh we want to vote that through or no? And everybody yes we would like to vote that through because you're able to get just a massive amount of cash without giving up any of the control without losing anything and if this continues to be a cash wagon the funds are gonna get their money back and you're gonna make even more money because the way the NFL is headed so you're just basically giving yourself a 600, $700 million bonus just by allowing these funds to do this investment. Now, two different funds have decided to maybe

try to sweeten the pot for Mara. Look, you love Eli Manning, he's our guy. And then on the other side, look, you love Michael Strahan, he's our guy. I think Peyton was tied to a couple in Denver that were trying to make it in there This might be the new move in Darius myself and AJ With I in it and boys would like to let you know if you need a face for any of your funds

That are hundreds of millions of dollars to get a percentage of the team. We would love to be a part of yes Yeah, we certainly say yeah Well, I don't know what else Eli or straight hand are doing go T Yeah, but if you need us to do that, we will certainly sign up for it. And now we find out who Mara likes more. Does he like Strayham more or does he like Eli Manning, AJ Hawk? I think we know. Why can't we put them both in the same boat and put them both together?

Why don't we do that? What's wrong with this? That would have made sense. That would have made sense to get them both. And maybe David Tyree gets it gets lumped alongside Maybe they start building up a team. Yeah, Brandon Jacobs. Maybe a Maude Bradshaw put him in there LT certainly get on a group. Yeah, so I Don't love that. They're on different groups. I wish they were on the same side like what you were saying

But I think this is just gonna become new status quo here in the NFL these funds are going to be trying to get a percentage of the team and you have to win over the ownership of the team to get that because they're the ones picking the numbers are probably pretty much this is what the number is this is what the number is so now it's just like how do you sweeten the pot how do you get the ownership to say yes and how do you become the one that gets the percentage of the team versus anybody else and Eli Manning?

Maybe I don't know. I like what you like Eli remember he didn't want to be a judge. He loved this place Yeah, he said let me be a giant and then straight and spends his entire historic career over there and represents the Giants But he was funny with the Eagles. He's doing that with the Eagles America $100,000 pyramid he owes as well. Yeah, great show. He does a great job. He's all over everything Oh, yeah, yeah, you would want Giants ownership out there publicly. Yeah, Eli Manning does the manning cast though Sure invisible to I like players getting ownership though. I love it Richard Seymour I think he's a part of ownership group with Las Vegas alongside Brady. I love players getting into the...

It's Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady with the Bills. It's a lot of players. Josie Althador. Who's that? I'm sorry? Soccer player Josie Althador. A legend. Super business player. Okay, just learned something new. So yeah, I love these guys getting into it as well.

What do you mean, just learned something new? He's first in line. I didn't know who he was. What's his name? Jos learn something new. He's fine. I didn't know. I didn't know who he was. What's his name? Joe. One of the best US strikers of all time. Can you say it one more time? Josie Out-the-door and don't get it wrong again. Yeah, because you'll be out the door. Who do you play for? America. You at the national team. The New York Red Bulls. I'm going to be honest though, Josie Out the Door was a pillar of the United States soccer team for a long time, played a long time. I believe he played in the MLS.

He's like part owner of a lot of things. I have no idea where this guy got his money, but I am a massive fan of whatever he's doing. Connection, network. There's something here in Indianapolis, they're like, Josie Out the Door is part owner here? I'm like, this guy owned everything. How does he have the, I don't know how has he been able to do it, but Josie's business sense, I think 10, 20 years from now, probably going to be looked back on and be like, this guy. Is he a golfer? Sorry, what? Is he golfing? I would assume so. You have any rubbing shoulders, rubbing

elbows? Hey, you guys need a network. He's some great years at Sunderland as well in the Premier League. Oh Sunderland money, okay, I'll tell you what that's Sunderland. He's an investor in the new TGL League. So That's what I'm saying. Bill is the TGL League. I think some training academy that's here in Indianapolis He makes sense though. Yeah, Josie out the doors. He's got his fingerprints on everything. He's like soccer's Magic Johnson Yeah, yeah, he is have you heard the news about concava? Dumpy what do you got? You haven't heard? Okay, here we go. Oh is it canceled? Is it it's not canceled. Oh, no, no. Don't do it on air. No, no. If that's right, not with Scott. Is it? It's not canceled yet. Oh no.

Scott new boots. We had some. Send them back. We've had some heartbreak within the comp. Oh no. Oh whoa. We've had some heartbreak within the comp. We've had some, there's been some injuries

to some key players. Oh. Have you heard about these guys? I haven't heard a damn thing. Oh man, late night text last night saying, hey, bang, bang, probably done and out. Not Gordo. Not Gordo is never going to get hurt.

OK. Meat was just draining pots, so it can't be him. Meat will never get hurt as well. I think I know what it is. Well, that's all that matters. Oh, no. No, it's Stammer. Reggit.

No. Ken? Not Zatnett. Grelia? A guy you know very well. Cameron? Cameron's out? You can't play without the captain. I know. What? Ken not Zach. No, I got you know very well Cameron Cameron's out you can't play without the captain. I know I was like canceling the whole thing talking to this guy all day The one fucking tell me yeah

I think he thinks he's maybe gonna be able to battle through but I think there is some real worry about Cameron's availability You guys did it without a monster. No, we did not Actually, he got hurt and we lost He did not. No he did not. He actually got hurt and we lost. We lost when he got hurt. Jeff Comren was our guy. A lot of attention on meat for good reason.

He was unbelievable. Hoff obviously fantastic. Gordo doing his thing. The Arena Boys were certainly magnificent for Concafe. Legit, loved watching them play. It was a great time hanging out with them. But Jeff Comren was the heart and soul of that entire team. He was playing with a torn MCL last year.

Wasn't able to kick the ball with the inside of his fucking foot. Had to literally kick with the outside of his foot the entire time. Then whenever we needed a goal, we needed one. He said, ah, screw it. Hits it with the inside of his foot, scores, rips his entire knee for the good of Concaifa. Crashes onto the turf turf gets carried off the field tore his knee people class score he got a stand-up he should have yeah the guy knew he was gonna tear his knee to score a goal for us didn't play again we

lose caps in America good news you heard Gumps got his boots he'll step right in yeah yeah we got it Gumps is certainly a leader and Gumps is certainly a very important part of con Cafa his vibes his energy his energy, his attitude, I would say, certainly helps. But I don't love that we're potentially missing Jeff Cameron. He's not the only one, brother. He's not the only one. Breck, too?

No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, if it was those two. Breck and Jeff. Call it. No, yeah, Breck would be there. Breck. Give Steve Nash a call. That's the guy you need.

Steve said he was willing to play. There was after two bottles of wine. Is Tall Guy playing this year? Is that night? That night he's you need Steve said he was willing to play those two bottles of wine It's tall guys playing this year that night. He's playing. Yeah, he's back All right, ladies and gentlemen some pivot away from con cava red boots Red boots will be out there Let's uh, let's pivot away from con cava ball Okay, which is a brand that is going through a team that is going through some changes right now Obviously we have some adversity. We will have to get through it, get past it, we'll be stronger on the other side. There's a team in Washington that had adversity. I mean, I don't think there's ever been a professional team that has had more adversity. Their ownership was hated by everybody, seemingly. Their team had been completely left behind by their own fan base. Everybody thought that this place was a dump

and not only just a dump as the way they're operating, but their stadium was actually dumping dumps on people as their pipes were bursting and there was no chance of a new stadium being built because nobody wanted to do business with these people. Then comes the sale of the team, then comes new ownership, then comes new everything and all of a sudden this team is hot to trot. New stadium coming, new team coming, and the new general manager that had been tasked with building this entire thing up

started with the Patriots, then he went to the Broncos, then he was with the Niners. Now, the general manager of the Washington Commanders, ladies and gentlemen, Adam Peter. Hey, what's up guys? What's going on? Hey, I heard that you caught the tail end of our concava conversation there. We got some very, very, very important crucial parts of our team injured here just about a month before a tournament.

So we're gonna have to make some good decisions. Any help you can send our way, we will certainly take it Josh. But Adam, sorry. I think you guys gotta learn about Leeds United football team. Going into the Premier League, big, big deal. Are you a football guy, a football guy? Do you pay attention? Yeah, awesome.

It's awesome. Leeds, we just got promoted, so I'm a proud investor of Leeds United football team. We're gonna be playing against Josh Harris's Crystal Palace, so it's gonna be a lot of fun. Okay, well good luck to your team. And JJ Watts Burnley team does what it did the last time it got promoted. That'll be an easy win for you guys.

And then they'll be dropping right back down into the second league. I said Josh there, and you just mentioned Josh Harris. Let's talk about that. Whenever he comes in, he's tasked with flipping a brand back into something that is likeable for the fans, for the city, for the league, you name it. What has it been like to be within that building while you guys are going through this like resurgence of relevancy and almost a resurgence of affability for the program? How have you maintained focus on building a team while also understanding that this isn't just about football it's about the entirety of the operation. Yeah I think that was one of the biggest reasons why I really really wanted to have this job and the fact

this is a cornerstone franchise the NFL a place where you know growing up this this was a team you're watching hearing about DC in the area and RFK, and then coming in Josh being the owner and us having, and him having that vision of bringing this back, being a steward of this DMV area and just really was appealing to me. So I really, really wanted to get this job and so far it's been awesome. I mean, being a part of this, being just around everything that's happening, all the excitement, the stadium, the draft now, just really feel really grateful and thankful that I'm here.

Yeah, it feels like there's a positive momentum behind everything that you're doing. That all begins and ends with how great Jaden Daniels was in his first year. And how did that kind of feel, knowing that you got the guy immediately almost? What week into the season did you know that Jaden Daniels was gonna be the cornerstone

of a cornerstone franchise for probably the next couple of decades here? Wow, I think it was just a process of everything from the moment he got in here, the moment we flew him in for interviewing from after we drafted him and he wanted to go through the playbook while he was here and he was doing like drop backs on the plane back to flying back to LA and just every step of the way you could see the humility that

he had, the work ethic that he had, just the way he connected with his teammates out the fields are right over here like out on the grass and the way he went about everything he earned everything he had and so it was just kind of a step-by-step process but you could feel it right away what a special person he was. Okay in the first round this year draft you go with a big guy out of Oregon offensive tackle Josh Connerly jr there was a letter from Cliff Kingsbury that you showcased on draft night that he showed up and said Hey, take the big guy from Oregon. Okay, we need to protect him You couple that alongside a trade that you make this offseason with Tunsel felt like was this a focal point for you? We need to solidify the people in front of our superstar Jayden Daniels

Or was this a situation where you couldn't believe he was available? I think it was both really. I think in the off season when we had the opportunity to get Tunsel, which doesn't come around that often to get a blue chip left tackle, one of the best left tackles in the league. So we felt that was an opportunity that we didn't want to pass up. And for the reasons you're talking about, like we want to protect Jaden and really he's the cornerstone of our franchise we want to make sure we're protecting him and then so we got that done and then we

really want a Connerly and that letter was cool because you know Cliff he watched he's a tireless worker it's unbelievable how much he works and as he's doing draft prep he's also watching college teams for different plays and different like scheme and just different things you can learn from them so we can implement into what we do and he watched a lot of Oregon so he said I watched every single snap of Oregon and like he usually just watches like the skill guys the quarterbacks receivers tight ends running backs and so he left that note on my desk. He came by to say, what's up?

And just wrote that down, left it on my desk. I was like, all right, well, if Cliff wants this guy, I'm good. How about Josh Connerly, no matter what, you know, draft day, seemingly from Cliff Kingsbury to you. I thought there was a chance he wrote like 30 different letters, though, just to give you, you know, make sure hey, make sure this, make sure this, make sure this, so you would have a letter for it. I appreciate the fact that it's all hands on deck over there

and it feels like your culture is a great one. Were you worried that Cliff was gonna leave or did you know that Cliff had it good right now and maybe another year with Jaden in that offense could be something special under Dan Quinn as opposed to taking on all the challenges of becoming a head coach again. Feel like a lot of people wanted Cliff to be their head coach this offseason.

Yeah, and rightfully so. He's a great coach and he's a great person. But I think what's cool about here is what the culture DQ has created. Where people want to be here, people want to stay here, they're having fun working, they're having fun playing. So it makes it an easy decision. If it's not your perfect role that you want to move up to, whether it's head coach or something else, you have a great home here. And really that's how I felt when I was in San Francisco

under John Lynch, where I really loved being there. But if there was the great opportunity came like it did with Washington, then I could take it. But if not, then, you know, I'm really, really happy here. And that's the culture that DQ's created within the staff here. I love that Lynch sent me a text today saying hey be good dad I'm Peters he's my guy so he's obviously still watching and probably learning a little bit from everything that you're doing and you guys did some business. D-Bud has a

question for you. Yeah talking about that business you did with John Lynch in the San Francisco 49ers. I trade forbo Salmon, you were talking about Cliff and his offense and the Oregon offense and it kind of blends well with what Deebo does, getting that ball in his hands early. He's a nightmare I know for DBs when he has that ball in space. I believe you guys led the league

and hurry up offense plays last year. So what went into that trade, getting Deebo from San Fran? Yeah, that was really cool, it was actually at the combine and I was hanging out with, with Lynch at lunch. And we started talking about it. And, um, you know, obviously there's a lot of talks that go into it, but knowing Deebo from when we drafted him to just the competitor that he is on the field, he's one of the best competitors on the field that I've ever seen in my

life and just, he can put a team on his back and will you to win. So understanding what type of person he was, understanding that I've ever seen in my life and just he can put a team on his back and will you to win. So understanding what type of person he was, understanding that I work with John and you know, he's going to be awesome to deal with and then understanding our offense, which is, you know, getting the ball out of Jaden's hands quickly and he's really good at that and getting the ball in space and moving fast, that's going gonna present a lot of problems for defenses. Debo is a slant god. I mean, you got Terry McLaurin obviously could go out there. You bring in Debo, you got the running back.

You obviously- You paid, so. You got a lot, I mean, feels like Jaden Daniels is being set up to succeed. And I feel like that's the right thing to do with a young quarterback, especially whenever he showcased an ability to maybe be a top five guy already.

Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Adam, everything we hear from going on in the front office, you're like a real collaborative effort. Everyone, you kind of take everyone's opinion. And I know you, I guess you put together what a research and development team like an analytics squad that I hear about. That kind of help you evaluate players, especially draftable guys. Like can you talk about what that team is and

how many people you truly are listening to going into a draft? Yeah, we're listening to everybody in the building AJ and the R&D team especially. It's really cool because it feels like there's 14 people in this one little office, it's like a big think tank and they're all really smart and they're all really passionate. And like a cool story this year was when we drafted Trey Amos, who was like an R&D darling. We call him analytics, we call him R&D. When we drafted him, you could hear a roar from two doors down because we drafted him

and then he fell to us, which was really awesome. All his metrics were incredible, but listening to them and their passion about whether we're making a trade, whether we're making a their passion about whether we're making a trade, whether we're making a draft pick, whether we're signing a free agent. But then there's also the coaching aspect, and of course the scouting aspect, and everybody working together in unison and collaborating.

It's been really cool. And we're just getting started. I think we're going to get better and better as the years go on. Can we talk about your fourth round pick, Jalen Lane? 434 humanitarian award in Virginia. A lot of people are saying maybe the best returner in the sport. How do you get a 434 guy at a pick 128? I didn't even

know that was possible in the NFL. I legitimately had no idea. How excited were you to make this pick? And obviously it's a fourth rounder and that the odds of a fourth rounder becoming megastar superstar obviously a little bit more difficult but I didn't know you could find 434 humanitarians and pick 128 brother I legitimately had no idea yeah that's a really cool stat the humanitarian award the the cool thing about that one is on Saturdays before the draft, we get everybody in the room, all the scouts, the coordinators, R&D, and we do this thing. We actually took it from San Francisco. We call it the Commander's Caucus, which is a weird name, but we kind of did that. Love a good caucus, dude. Love a good caucus. So, so with Jalen, he was, he was, everybody gets a chance to vote on who is their favorite

player that they want to draft on day three. It's really day three is a scout's day. So it's awesome. Like everybody is involved. It's really cool. So we went around the room and he had by far the most votes of anybody in the room. So for there you have the buy-in from the R and D and the buy-in from the coaches who also voted, he had a buy-in from all of our scouts.

And it's just a matter of, all right, well hopefully he'll get to us because you really have buy-in from everybody in the building. So he was our number one returner in the draft. Larry Izzo was one of the people that voted for him. So it all worked out really well. He fell to us, which we were really excited about. And that was an easy pick. He's awesome. And he's, you know, I just, he just had his birthday the other day. He's getting married this summer. He's like, he's incredible. So I can't wait.

He's coming here Thursdays. Can't wait to meet him in person. Our coaches worked him out down there. Just really one of those ones where you really want to happen and it did. And you feel really good about those. Happy birthday, Jaylen. Have no idea how you got,

a lot of people slid in the draft and was talked about 434 humanitarian best returner I didn't know that so this morning Adam I was mind-blown as we were looking into this guy because the Washington commanders PR people good people Sent us over a list of shit that has happened this offseason with you guys We start reading through it and it's like Jalen Lane 434 pick 120 I'm like 434 128 then we start looking into it's like must add some problems or something must have been you know like no actually one humanitarian what how is that even

how did that happen how did he 40-inch vert he tested he tested incredibly he's a. He's a real, he's a special athlete. He's all those things. You can see it on the field too. Yeah, the R&D department's like, uh, uh, four, three, four, 40 inch, I know we don't normally deal with the humanitarian stuff, but it feels like there is a chance he could be a guy. Yeah, Waltzpate, man of the year returner. I mean, especially with this new kickoff that they have, the hybrid kickoff know we're gonna dynamic hybrid kick. I mean, it's uh, good for you, dude

Good for you feels like you're swinging a hot bat over there right now It feels like life is good right now con man has a question for you Yeah, Adam clips are coming out now from the draft and this one was actually from the Eagles YouTube team I believe and it was basically how I rose been calling you to try and trade up and I don't know if it Was your idea of this came from R&D? But how he basically hung up and said, you know, mr Peters is gonna be charging an indivision tax when it comes to trading up. Was that a real conversation? What were you charging howie was this, you know like a late round pick an extra one or were you asking for like?

Hey, you're gonna need to give us like a Jalen Carter if you wanna come up here? I was actually me busting his chops and I went on TV for, cuz he did that to me. And so that part they left out, but my first time talking to Howie, he was trying to trade me a player last off season. It was like the first phone call we had. He's like, yeah, well, we can do this or that. But because you're into vision, there's a tax, you're gonna have to pay a little more.

And so that was just me throwing it back at him and we were just joking around about it. But it's actually, he's a great guy. He's a great GM, obviously, and he's awesome to deal with. We've done two deals already together and probably do more. But yeah, it was just us back and forth having fun. How often do you think about the NFC East and how difficult it is? Obviously it has the Super Bowl champion in it now so you have to think about the Super Bowl champion but that division is

no cakewalk and the Philadelphia Eagles seemingly built for the next five years at least at all the key positions that you need to have a win. How often are you thinking about the Eagles and when you do business with these people how often you think like I can't give them the piece that gives them the edge over us? Is that a natural thought or are you just thinking about your team and how you can get better when you're doing stuff? Yeah I mean you're always thinking about that you're always thinking about how to beat every team in your division every team in your conference like every single second and every single day like that's that's what I stay up at night thinking about how to beat every team in your division every team in your conference like every single second in every single

Day like that's that's what I stay up at night thinking about but in terms of those trades Those are risks that you have to take now Do I think you know you can't be scared making those trades if you think they're gonna You know you're worried about the press clippings and all that you're trying to make the best decision for your own team And if you think you think that's the best decision for your own team. And if you think that's the best decision for your own team to help win, then do it. But if you're scared about it, you probably won't make the right decision.

How has the press been over there? They gotta love you guys. I mean, obviously you've been around the league a long time, so you know what the Washington team has been like for a long time. And I think everybody in the NFL was hoping for a little bit of positive change obviously the fans were looking for a positive change I assume the media was looking for a positive change you guys

kind of brought that is it kind of like a pot I assume it's a very positive experience right now over there in Washington yeah they're great they're the first of all they work extremely hard they're they're they're diligent they ask great questions they're really respectful they all, they work extremely hard. They're they're they're diligent. They ask great questions. They're really respectful They're awesome to work with so I think you know coming in and having Josh here and myself and DQ coming in I think They've been really really respectful for us respectful to us and you know, it's been awesome to work with them, so I have no issues there and

It's been it's been positive so far, you know, and I know it's been awesome to work with them. So I have no issues there and it's been positive so far. And I know it's not always gonna be that way, but they've been awesome. Well, you keep bringing greatness to the city. I think people are gonna be pumped about it. On that note, Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Adam, Pat mentioned swinging a hot bat earlier. It was announced yesterday that the draft's gonna be in Washington, DC in 2027.

And I didn't grow up a commanders fan. I don't think any of us did. But getting a new stadium on the site of RFK, obviously people who have been lifelong commanders fans are going crazy about that because you've been in the league for so long. Did you ever imagine that there would be a time, especially when you're running the team, that Washington would basically become like the epicenter of the NFL world like the epicenter of the NFL world like you guys kind of have been this offseason

It's so cool Like I can't even put into words like just being a part of that being at When we did when we announced the RFK and being in the audience there being able to be a part of that and being around John Riggins Doug Williams Darryl green I mean just all the greats here, Joe Gibbs, and it was just fantastic to be there. And just like, I had to step back and really think about it. And I think Josh, I was like, gosh,

this is why I came here for things like this. And then announcing the draft here, which will be awesome. I won't be able to participate in it at all because I'll just be right here, which kind of sucks, but it'll be really cool for the whole DMV and just just our nation's capital as the epicenter of football I think there's nothing better than that um commanders fans gonna show up for that right yeah definitely oh yeah in droves that from everywhere Green Bay East Virginia Maryland that's gonna be awesome Adam

Green Bay was packed out. Detroit packed out. Pittsburgh next year gonna be packed out. That's a big area there, isn't it? It's gonna be. And if it's cold. Oh, there's a little weather. I think we're gonna be all right. I think we're gonna be all right.

Okay. Whatever the record is, we're gonna break it. Our fans. Oh, I like the confidence. I forgot it's a brand new Washington team over there. Brand new. How do you, whenever you say it, do you say go commanders? Oh, I like the confidence. I forgot it's a brand new Washington team over there brand new How do you uh, whenever you say do you say go commanders? Do you say we are commanders? What do you say whenever you're and uh, but who are we the

How do you roll DC Oh fight for all these to the commanders? Okay. Do you like the name? Love it. Oh You got it. Can't say it. No, honestly, I mean, we've embraced it. We've like our players have embraced it. We've embraced it. What a commander is. We've defined what a commander is. So, um, I think everybody's all in on it. So we're, we're pumped and we're going to, we're going to keep going with it until they tell us not to. Well, if you win with it, I mean, if you've embraced the culture, embraced the name and you win with it, I think everybody else will buy in as well. I think that's all anybody cares about.

And it feels like Jaden's going to be leading you boys to a lot of that. Now, let's talk about what the building has done. You said you thank Josh for everything that's possible and why you came to Washington. It feels like the players are thanking Josh as well. Tone has a question for you. Yeah, Adam, Pat referenced the kind of the one sheet that your PR sent over and one of the main things on here is the 2023 NFLPA report card grades versus the 2024 NFLPA report card grades. I assume that is a big deal for you guys. How involved are you in that?

And I assume the 2025 grades are gonna continue just go in the correct direction. Yeah, I think what's funny about that is Josh came out And it was a great great line. He said I'm not an F- guy And he put his money where his mouth is and he invested a ton of money in this place and We're getting the fields are over here. There's an astroturf field out here when I got here I could leave it. You know, it's a grass field that our guys were practicing on today and practicing. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Hold on, you guys had an AstroTurf field? AstroTurf, AstroTurf like scuff your elbows. You played on it, I played on it. Cement with rug. Something AJ played on. Maybe you and AJ didn't play on it, but. Oh yeah. In high school maybe, but it was still here last year.

I couldn't believe it. I thought it was like, I saw it on a stock photo on Google. I thought it was like a photo from like 20 years ago. It was like a photo from last week. It was unbelievable. I was like, what is this thing? And then, but to Josh's credit, I said, Josh, we gotta get rid of this thing.

This is terrible. And he said, do it. And that's what he said about everything. And from our kitchen to our locker room to our meeting rooms To our stadium to the locker room at the stadium everything that we've asked for he's done it He said will this be good for the players and said yeah, and this is why and said go ahead and do it So I can't take credit for that DQ like we both of us worked really hard on it But it was really Josh saying, okay, go do it.

And we're not even done. We're building a new locker room right now. There's a ton of construction going on. They're gonna get a new locker room. So those grades that were on the right hand side there, they should be going up to that locker room F. Hopefully it will not be an F anymore based on what we're spending.

And the rest of it is going to be really good. And just the human capital that we have in here, I think is our, our biggest asset, the people that are working here, you know, the scouts, the, the operations people, the coaches, the chefs, like you name it, the trainers PR, you guys know the PR guys are they're incredible. So that's what we have. I don't think other buildings have.

We're never going to have all the bells and whistles that some places have, but combined with newer things for the, for the players, with all the people that we have, it's going to be a great place to be. New stadium coming, new locker room coming. Feels like you do have all the bells and whistles that everybody else has. If you, if you have good food, good locker room, good stadium room good stadium yes I think you're gonna get thumbs up basically with everybody

and you're not giving yourself credit there yeah good equipment guys good training guys you're not giving yourself enough credit there though because it wasn't f- in the locker room yeah it moved to an F, if you see. It was an F minus. It moved up to an F. You guys did something. Poop fights in person. I think it was the humans that were potentially, we shouldn't give them an F minus. We like these people, right?

We like them. They're trying at least. Yeah, just an F, just an F. All right, sounds good. F minus. That's tough. So I haven't- I've never seen that before.

Yeah, I didn't fill out any of these report cards ever. These came post, I think, my career or I wasn't asked. I do like that F minus is an option. Like an F isn't bad enough. Is it F minus? We need the lowest form of F that you could possibly get. And then there's just, is there an ineptitude option down there

that's like worse than F minus? It's much worse than F minus. And that first one, the first column, that treatment of family, that's something you don F-minus? Much worse than F-minus. And that first one, the first column, that treatment of family, that's something you don't really think about coming into league. I know I got scratched by the Patriots.

And like that was a huge thing with the Patriots as far as the treatment of the family. Post game, it'll be a private area for all the family. Have some food, mingle with all the different players. That was always awesome. Cokes were awesome as well with the family. But yeah, that's a big deal. But F-minus, oh, damn oh, three F minuses out of 11, five total Fs out of 11 in 2023.

I think there was a chance that the players hated everything. Yeah. Hey, uh, Hey, why don't you vote on the training staff? Not we hate everybody. Dude F down F minus, but an F strength coaches though. Dawg. Coaches are awesome. They're, they're only any right. That first year. Yeah. Hey, but enough straight coaches though Don't

Right that first year. Yeah, I think that tells me that strength coaches are telling the players listen This is a shit hole we know okay. This is what this is, but it's our body Okay, we got to get through here That is and that feels like the only way that that could be an A there is the strength coaches go, listen, I know the locker room's trash. I know the training room's trash. I know the training staff, bunch of assholes. I know the treatment of families, worse ever.

But we got the next hour to get better in here. Let's go ahead and do it. I'm on your side, not on this team's side. Shout to the strength coaches. Rally in there and sticking around. AJ has the last question for you Adam. We appreciate your time on this glorious Tuesday. Yeah Adam, Pat mentioned that you worked for the Patriots, Broncos and Niners before you got to Washington. I guess how long ago did you start envisioning yourself as a GM and start building your whole

plan because you've had a lot of success before you got there and I believe you're part of three Super Bowl rings already. Was it something that you always your goal to be the GM and kind of how's that influenced you and what you're doing now? Yeah, I think it really didn't like become a reality or a possibility till they got to San Francisco But starting in New England getting a great foundation there Darius knows about that I think I left right when he was coming in I missed him him. That was my one draft where I was in between teams. I was on a beach in Santa Cruz watching the draft on my phone. It was the best draft I've ever had. And then a great pick by the Patriots there. But then getting to Denver and understanding how you can work differently and still win, which is awesome. And working with John Elway, working with Matt Russell,

and then Gary Kubiak came in, and then being in San Francisco with Kyle and John and the ownership there with Jed and the York family, understanding, okay, this is how a team should be run, and starting to really formulate my mind around that and trying to bring all the great things of all those three places to here as much as possible. We're just getting started,

but really just understanding it's the people that make the place and getting great people around here. And so that was really what we tried to do when we came in here and first hire was getting DQ and that was the best hire we could make. And he's been even better than expected and getting better every day. And then our staff around that.

And so it's not myself, it's everybody, it's the people that are around me that really make this place. And it's been so much fun and it's a lot of hard work, but it's been awesome and really excited for what's to come. I assume it's very fulfilling to see it kind of all work and see a city come back to life and a football fan base feel like they're a part of the actual conversation

of winning again, as opposed to the conversation of being a dump again. You mentioned DQ there being a massive piece of it all as well and we saw him obviously go from Seattle down to Atlanta at 28-3 happens he has massive success and goes over to Dallas he puts the backwards hat on he is the DC he has magic. How important was it to get a guy who maybe had head coaching experience before as the head coach? And how much do you think all the experience that DQ has had around the league before he got there has helped him?

Because everybody sings his praises. And whenever he's miked up, it's must watch. This guy is an electric factory, it feels like. Has he always been that way or do you think he's kind of changed along the way and now is the perfect time for him to be the head coach of your team? Yeah I think one of like when we went through the hiring process I knew a lot about DQ from Kyle and everybody on Kyle's staff because they were all came from Atlanta so understanding the type of person that he was the type of human being that he was

and then in the interview process seeing he had done everything once and how prepared he was for the next role and how ready he was for his next chance. And so those things made us all really excited about him as a head coach. And then the way he connects with our players, the way he connects with our coaches, the way he develops players and coaches, the plan that he has, authenticity that he has. Like pre-agency last year, he made it easy for us because everybody wanted to come play here and it wasn't because of me, it wasn't because

of the AstroTurf, it was because of DQ. And so he made our jobs easy. Players from all around the league, either who've played for him or heard about him, understood what type of person he was, what type of coach he was. And, you know, that really, really was a big deal in getting all the guys that we got in last year, because as you guys said, like this wasn't a destination. And so people had to really like, kind of take a chance on us and they did because of DQ and it's been fantastic.

Yeah. And it feels like now you guys are competing for a Superbowl every year. There was one thing that we heard about going into her during this off season was that there's now a new Sean Taylor Memorial being revealed. Is that real? I know his younger brother, I believe, signed with you guys as an undrafted free agent, but is that something that's being considered? Because that was part of the old regime before that was one of those things that was typical Washington before Josh bought the team and you got in there. Yeah, I'm not sure what we're doing on that with the memorial.

I think hopefully we'll do something really nice for Sean. He's a special player, special human for a big person, a big part of our history here. And we have Gabe, he was coming in, he's a tryout player. He'll be in here on Thursday for our rookie mini camp, trying out for the team. But I know with our ownership group, they're always gonna do things right.

So whatever they do, it's gonna be first class and can't wait to see what they do. Hey, Adam, feels like you're a first class man. Everybody that knows you sings your praises. And obviously what you're doing over there in Washington is awesome. You're making people from other teams, not even in football, maybe just other professional sports teams, think that the impossible is possible quickly,

especially if you get the right people in charge. You're one of those people. We appreciate the hell out of you. Congrats on all the quick success and can't wait to see how far you take this team. Thanks guys, it's awesome being on here. Appreciate you having me. A lot better than last time when we had the fake Mel Kiper on. Whoa. What the fuck are you talking about? You talking about Mad Mel? Ladies and gentlemen. He threw a curve ball on me on that one.

It is awesome guys. Thank you. It's an honor to be on here. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Peter. Yeah. Boom. Who is this talking to me right now? Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

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That was when Belichick booked him, I think. Belichick booked him live on set while Oze was doing some ridiculous shit. Yeah. So probably nobody gave him a heads up. Nobody gave him a heads up. Hey, here's the phone number to call him. He calls him blind, has no idea what to what to happen hey how's Jaden Daniels pick when did you know okay we got some questions around the table boom I don't you know I thought I don't remember what I asked him must have been something pretty outlandish well the team I mean that there were the two overall it was like still the old Washington. Yeah, who, you had a lot to pull from. Yeah, Matt Mel. Yeah, Matt Mel had a lot to pull from. Poop pipes, all that stuff.

I mean, the amount of things that we could have said. I want to go back and listen to his question. July, you get booked by Bill too? That's the last thing you're expecting. Bill Belichick booked me on the show, and then all of a sudden, two seconds later, I'm FaceTiming with a what is this? What is this thing that is yelling at me,

telling me that I'm a horrible GM? I thought it was like Lambeau or Patricia like with Bill maybe? The first thing Mad Mel said to Mike McCarthy in the Airbnb that we're in, just, hey Coach Mike, I don't know how much you know, there's going to be a Mad Mel Kiper character that's gonna be a part of tonight's show. What do you mean? Mel Kiper's gonna be all about? No, it's a Mad Mel character. All right, yeah, sounds good, what do you mean?

And then Ty's there, I'm gonna go, Ty, will you give him some Mad Mel real quick? And Ty goes, well, obviously, McCarthy, you're with us because you weren't able to get the job done in the biggest games we had with Dallas. He goes, oh, jeez. Come on. Come on.

Yeah, he said, yeah. He said, I need to give you one of these. Give you one of these. I need one of these. He was, he was. Perfect. Ah, it was awesome. So good.

Yeah. Mel Kuiper had his own little mad situation this year. He certainly did. Oh yeah, a little bit. How come he didn't come on our show? He's talking with GMs, you know, he's talking with as, you know, he's talking with Number of different people he's literally on the phone for you know, 23 hours a day He's able to find time for everybody else's I've literally seen him on everybody else's show

Yeah, I'd assume he hates our guts and I'll tell you what Mel. I hate you, too Has he ever talked to Mad Mel? No, I ever talked to Mad Mel? Has Mel ever talked to Mad Mel? Oh yeah, because we assume that he hated us because Mad Mel is before we get to ESPN. Then we get to ESPN and we hear, no, Mel Kuiper's a big fan of Mad Mel. He even leaves like a voice memo. I think Mad Mel even got a voice memo. It's like, sweet, so we can have him on. We've sent out, we've lobbed a thousand requests.

At least. I would say a hundred requests to Mel Kuiper to join our show. And every single time, ah, sorry, bah, kid, pumpkin pie, we gotta do this. And it's like, I understand, all right, you hate us. Fuck, I hate you too. And I thought you embarrassed yourself on the draft, brother.

I think you did what this one's supposed to do on the draft. So I mean, that's how that's gonna go. Can't wait to meet him in person someday. He did try to ruin my draft day as well. After I got drafted saying I was just gonna carry bags for Adam Venetary. It was a different position, Doofus, you had no idea. And I'm sure that your hit rate is obviously much higher than my particular

situation. But he was the one saying, 50 years, the NFL doesn't know how to evaluate quarterbacks Also, he wanted to cover to to so maybe again, right this guy knows ball. I understand that Doesn't like our show who does I? Guess people that are watching we'll continue this thing digitally be a front-end something nice. Okay, so now we're just on digital now We can cut loose. Yeah Okay, I don't I just on digital, now we can cut loose a little bit. Yep. Okay. I don't hate Mel Kuyper,

but I had to send that out there to let him know. You're a feeler. Yeah, what the fuck? I had to send that out there to let him know. I had to send that out there to let him know like, hey, we see what you're doing. You're on everybody's show. Literally on everybody's show.

Somehow he finds time to be on everybody's show. Even shows that aren't ESPN shows, he's on everybody's show. Our show, ooh. Out there. Ooh, ah. Ooh, ah. everybody show even shows that aren't ESPN shows he's on everybody show our show oh oh oh ah does make sense if you were him would you come on though I guess not definitely no chance I'm not that's gonna be mixed reaction yeah yeah you would I definitely would because I feel like in you know like ten years maybe even 15 like if Mad Mel's still exists that keeps Mel Kiper alive longer like as much as I don't think he sees it that way. I know

As much as you can look at it Wasn't he said positive things? He left me a voicemail I talked to on the phone for like 45 minutes because I was I was assuming you talk back to him like that No, I didn't I didn't I mean he grilled me about like my entire life pretty much I was thinking like this guy's just trying to gather information so he can you know set up some sort of hit Matt I should have me killed or something like that, but he said he was like it makes your patent I was yeah, I just see I'm busy and called GMZ like he did the whole Hey, I just see I'm busy and called GM's like he did the whole

Spiel but I think if if I had to guess because field Yates told us he was like, oh Mel loves it He loves it. I was like, no, he doesn't like I know he doesn't Yeah, it's pretty apparent he does that's horseshit But I do appreciate the fact that he tells people that he loves because he feels obligated either that I think a bunch of people Around him like you should love this like this is hilarious Did you see this clip and eventually it's just like oh, yeah, I love it. Yeah, it's hilarious You're not insulting him. You're not insulting Mel ever are you just you're just over exaggerating his voice Maybe yeah, but some people can see that as insulting satire like there's been what we've come across like five people that do impressions Of me, you know, like in real life. I got a great impression to you I'm like sweet I would like to hear it I

was like here then they do it I'm like oh thank you for doing that man you take time out of your life then we walk away and I go that is not what I sound like right and then normally it's a no and I think I'm pretty tough too because I got like seven different you know there's cadences and everything I assume you could do my natural yin-zer loud yelling thing if you really wanted to which is what you have picked to do For Mad Mel So there's a chance he's like I have much more depth than what you are doing as Mel Kuiper And that might be why some people get impersonated get upset. It's like that's not who I am

I'm much more than that. So I think deep down he lays his head down. I Think he hates our guts. I think he hates our guy disagree you disagree. Yeah, I do You think he's always busy? No, I think that he's you know kind of an older man and if he has the choice of doing interviews He probably doesn't want to and I think maybe the other shows he goes on he might owe some people Who are either on those shows or who are helping you know get those shows off the ground? So he's like, you know what? I'll go do this as a favor. I don't think he owes any Buddy we got to owe him my guess

Certainly living in like 1995 like that's no bullshit He doesn't have a cell phone like he has a landline until season. And then he uses his daughter's cell phone for, you know. Yeah, that sounds fake too. That sounds like the people that tell me they're not looking at their Twitter or looking at their Instagram. It's like you're lying. If you feel the need to come out

and say you're not looking at your shit, that means you've been looking at your shit and you know that your shit's not good right now. So you know, that is one of those things. I think they're whatever Melchiorbri a tough draft. He certainly did that private probably the worst to some some people love a lot of Colorado fans did Oh, they did they were appreciative of him doing it. Oh, yeah. Okay, so I did not know that color I thought the Colorado fans were potentially like can we just We dial this down a little though. They were there with them, attacking everybody on the internet. Okay, I like it.

And we'll see how it all works out. Legitimately, we will see how everything works out. That's why judging the draft immediately after draft is kind of obviously an absurd thing to do, because you have no clue who any of these guys are going to be. Did anybody think Mr. Irrelevant was going to be the starting quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers? No, nobody has a clue.

All these guys can be Hall of Famers. All these guys can be Busts. There is just a hope that some players are gonna make it in each and every draft for every single team. But I learned about some draft guy who just didn't hit on anybody, just missed every single draft. Really, like this year?

No, no, no, like in the history. Like the worst ever drafter, this guy, and like his percentage of players making the team the year they were drafted was like lower than anybody in history but I think it is all crap I legitimately think it's all such a situations are situational such a lucky draw type thing and I'm happy I don't have to do it I'm happy I don't have to draft any of these guys and put billions of dollars at risk on the heads of 21 22 year olds becoming professionals

and acting like professionals. Yeah. And that's tough. It's very much a crapshoot. You could watch all the tape and tape could be great and you do all the interviews and the nos are all great. And you can talk to their family, their coaches, their custodians, whatever, and everything could be great.

And then you get to the NFL and things just don't work out. So yeah, I mean, it is a crapshoot, but no to your point I actually just saw today so there's a Colorado fan who's suing the NFL for a hundred million dollars for emotional distress During the draft for what happened to the shooter so I like that Future earnings the whole thing. Mm-hmm. I can't go to work anymore Take that stands up. Feels like there's a lot of lawsuits that wouldn't stand up in actual court, but morally people can take the high ground. Now, for sure. With that being said, the Quinn-Uers fall is interesting.

Quinn-Uers dropping all the way to the seventh round. I don't think any of us. No. No. Seventh. He's a top five pick before the four last college college football season like she had a good year, right? He had a good year to us last year. Like yeah, I don't know Yeah should door dropping obviously massive story because he's gonna be top five quarterback He ends up in the fifth round excited to see him go to work. He's been in the community of Cleveland already He's been in schools. We're schools doing stuff training stuff. I love he's acting like the guy now. He's deep down on the The you know depth chart or whatever he's under Dylan the guy now. He's deep down on the The you know the depth chart or whatever He's under Dylan Gabriel who's drafted higher than him to the Cleveland Browns out of Oregon in this draft class

But he's acting like a guy in the NFL. He understands what it's like to be a guy I hope he goes in there works his ass off and you know, I hope he has a great career Who knows if it's gonna happen, but I hope he does have a great career. He's still a fifth-round pick Okay, fifth round 144 obviously not a guarantee. You're gonna make the team and anything like that Quinn your seventh round is Insane to think about in his draft party With all those animals that have been hunted and killed behind him So bummed out wherever he finally got drafted.

It wasn't like a celebration at all. There was tears obviously. This is not how he assumed it would go, but it's like there's a lot of falling stars in his draft and nobody's talked about Quinn being one of them. I genuinely am wondering how Quinn's career goes. He can throw the rocks. Sarkeesian's offense is like an NFL offense. The guy's been there, has played played in big moments. Seemingly tough, he was battling through a lot of injuries whenever he was playing. He's been a superstar since he's 18 years old. He's been a millionaire since he's been 18 years old. Him dropping was a conversation that nobody really had because Shadour conversation carried everything. Yeah, his drop is insane and we've obviously all experienced it. But whenever I talk to young guys chasing that dream,

just always tell them you just gotta lock in, control what you can control, because everybody's journey is so different. You look at Cam Ward's journey from high school to being the number one pick and all the things that he had to climb and persevere through. And then Quinn is on a complete opposite side of that. He was like the perfect prospect coming out of high school

and then dropping to seventh round and go to the Dolphins. But you just got to stick to it. You've got to continue to control what you can control getting there. Obviously, Chador, Quinn, you're not going to get a lump sum of the reps. You know, you'll have a handful of reps. You know, obviously you got to get mental reps and soak up everything in these meet rooms and from these coaches and an opportunity will present itself and you got to take advantage of it the lower you're drafted the less opportunities you'll have but yeah this is seventh round slide was absolutely wild to watch I don't think I expected it maybe they did I'm not 100% sure and to watch any of these guys play next year if they make the team and they're starting you

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Jimmy Butler, Ant-Man, just in and of itself, is going to be a great thought of how that whole thing goes and then let alone Steph Curry playing like five years ago Steph Curry right now This game is going to be electrifying. Yeah, Jimmy in Minnesota Jimmy when he went over his career did not mention Minnesota. He was in Minnesota when he did the whole entire scrimmage with the second team, leaves practice, goes on Sports Center, does a hit while the team is still practicing, talking about how he just beat the shit out of everybody on that team. Granted, that was Carl Anthony Towns, his T-wolves, he is no longer there, but

yeah Jimmy does not like Minnesota and I believe Minnesota does not like Jimmy Butler. I think those fans still have an action with him. And that's right where Jimmy Butler likes to be. Yeah. You know, kind of where he likes to be. So him and Ant-Man should be a great battle. I'm excited for that. Let's do a couple NFL news topics that have happened. Justin Tucker has been released by the Ravens. Now, the Ravens draft loop out of Arizona. He has a massive leg.

This kid can kick the hell out of a football. The Baltimore Ravens Special Teams Coordinator, Randy Brown, Mayor Randy Brown, formerly a mayor now, Special Teams Senior, Special Teams, I forget his actual title, whatever the case. Former mayor, yeah. Now he Special Teams Coordinator, Assistant Head Coach, very high title, he's been around a long time.

He was the one that was in charge of setting up the combine, finding the kickers, doing the workouts. So I think he very hands on with all these kickers. Now they said it's strictly a football decision and Justin Tucker certainly had his worst year. He has had since entering the NFL last year. But there's also a lot of noise off the field. Anytime there's that much noise off the field

and you potentially become a distraction, especially with something as serious as what was being talked about and you're not performing at the level that they've expected you to or paid you to at a kicker and Punter position that can't you're you're setting yourself up to lose your job I mean, that's just how it is Justin Tucker will go down as one of the greatest kickers in the history of the NFL Obviously people will say top two not two some people will say he's been a pro bowler. He's been an all-pro He has the highest career field goal percentage in NFL history damn near 90% of the kicks every time he walked on the field You knew the ball was gonna go through the up rich except for this year had his worst year had a down year They're paying him a lot of money a lot of allegations arise

Then you become a headache a distraction starts taking place canvas to person so they on team is he worth it? They move on from Justin Tucker and have a rookie kicker going into a year where they're hoping to win a Super Bowl and we'll see how that move turns out for them and I think that was a big one. I don't think a lot of people saw that coming just here in the middle of May, AJ Hawk. Yeah I know they keep saying it's a football decision but yeah you're right this past year was weird just watching him kick. He was so automatic before this season, but we know like when you have a great kicker, a lot of times you take that for granted.

Great kicker, great punter teams do take it for granted. So a lot of pressure on the young rookie coming in because they've had the dude who legit ended up until this season feels like he can't miss. So yeah, it's, it's a weird situation. I wonder if someone's going to sign Justin Tucker and win that could possibly be yeah I don't know. I don't know that way go real loud there about the massage I don't think are there any like is it is there any criminal things going on? Is it all like litigation all you know money? I don't know

We have not seen we didn't see any civil lawsuits or criminal lawsuits or filed We don't we don't think yeah, I thought we looked up before and there wasn't any yet Per se but the good thing for Ravens fans in general like who they were put who's the legendary puncher? They replaced with stout Sam cook Sam cook. Yeah, like they replaced him kind of seem seemingly and John Harbaugh special teams guy Randy Brown special teams guy They they look into it very very seriously. They take it very seriously. I assume this loop guys a guy Yeah, I saw a video of him in from 75 and warm-ups. I think that's far hugely. It's for her yeah, and it you're never gonna get a 75 yard attempt unless you're a Janikowski and Lane kiffin's your coach and he's kind of sends you out there for it

But what that shows is like when the weather turns, which is going to in the AFC North, you need a strong leg to be able to combat the wind. This kid has that, he hits a pure ball, which means he can combat the wind. I think they've done a lot of research. They'll work with him mightily over there too, because they have a system on how it goes,

how you stand, how you start, how you do it. And yeah, I mean, you change your kicker out of a Super Bowl team. That's big. That is a big, that's a big, that's a big move here now. But to your point, will somebody sign Tuck? I wonder, I legitimately wonder. Okay, let's go to Jim Harbaugh.

Him talking about Justin Herbert, we chit-chatted about the first time we heard Harbaugh speak after talking about Justin Herbert. We chit chatted about the first time we heard Harbaugh speak after becoming the Chargers head coach. And all he basically could say was, well, we got the golden goose. We got the guy. We got the quarterback that everybody wants.

How could you not want this job? We got Justin Herbert. He even told stories about walking around and seeing Justin Herbert for the first time and going, oh my God, that's it. He's the guy. This is the one. He sang his praises as loud as he possibly could

from every hill that he could potentially sing and scream from. Now, he said on Rich Eisen show that he woke up in the middle of the night thinking to himself, I gotta get Justin Herbert to the Hall of Fame. Could you imagine this guy doesn't go to the Hall of Fame? It's gonna be 100% my fault

if he doesn't make it to the Hall of Fame. What that means, he's gotta win a Super Bowl. Yeah. To get to the Hall of Fame, you gotta he's got to win a Super Bowl Yeah, it's all fame. You gotta go people. You gotta be able to Be a leader of a team. You gotta have sustained greatness and hard boss said he woke up in the middle of the night I believe and that was his first thought and I believe him too I think that is probably a hundred percent true out of coach hardball. Yeah, most most coaches most people I see this put it put about I wouldn't believe it, but I believe Jim saying that. And he is great. He looks like a quarterback you would build in the lab.

At this point in his career, a lot of people are looking at him like, hey, will he ever get over that hump? Will he ever win the big games? You have a coach who has built championship teams, championship level teams wherever he's been. So I got all the faith in the world and Jim, and you know how high I've been on Justin Herbert since entering the league. Just gonna to be how, how do they continue to build around him offensively and make some great moves in the draft this year, make some great moves in

the draft last year as well. Got some peace in the off season. So I'm excited about this year. Obviously it's a tough, tough division, not only with the players, but you look at the coaches in that division. It's going to be a tough, tough road ahead, but you got a quarterback like Justin Herbert. You're in a good spot, I think. Yeah. Like Harbaugh and Herbert are one for division. It's going to be a tough, tough road ahead, but you got a quarterback like Justin Herbert. You're in a good spot, I think. Yeah, like Harbaugh and Herbert are one for one, it feels like as far as seasons together. They were, they went back to the playoffs

and felt like with Staley, it was always an up and down. Harbaugh kind of brought in that Supreme Leader type thing that we talk about in an organization and kind of took over. And like, even just thinking about them going back to the beginning of the year, Herbert didn't even know Harbaugh was going to slap the shit out of them before the game. Oh yeah. He didn't know what was even going on. I Harbaugh walks over, start slapping his pads. Herbert's got no idea what is happening. They obviously end up hugging and I think Harbaugh had to explain to him like, Hey, no, I'm just going to slap the shit out of you and then let's go do this thing. But even just a Harbaugh had to explain to him like, hey, no, I'm just going to slap this shit out of you. And then let's go do this thing.

But even just Harbaugh on the sidelines watching Herbert, you remember that mic'd up where I forget if it was him running a touchdown in or throwing a ball. And it was just Harbaugh saying over and over again, he's a beast. And he kept saying that I forget if we if we have it or not. But just watching them two work together, like I assume they're on their way to having Massive success together and they took another wide receiver. I believe too. Yeah Harris the kid from Ole Miss. Yeah, so it's it's gonna be incredible And yeah, they grabbed a Hampton in the first round and they signed Nosh who Nosh has only had a thousand yard season.

Yeah, like they're not just basically getting wide receivers to say, all right, Herbert, go throw it 40 times. Like they got an unbelievable line and running backs for him. Uh, I would be pumped if I was charged. I woke up in the middle of the night. Hey, I gotta get Justin Herbert's whole. So me can we talk about this tomorrow? No, I actually need to go start drawing some stuff up. Yeah tomorrow waits for no one to 3 a.m Harbaugh what a coach man. What a coach just loves ball. Yeah loves his players loves his team

What a great signing by the Chargers. Do they have what it takes to win? I think about that division Weapon get Andy Reid Sean Payton Pete Carroll. Yes. Yeah, they do they get hot the right time. They're healthy. Yeah, true Yeah, Justin Herber like D but said Justin Herbert is a quarterback You would build in a lab like his demeanor everything about it. Yeah, I would assume that they are sitting there thinking, hey, we have Justin Herbert in the prime of his career. We have to find a way to get a couple super bowlers.

What did Hortiz say the other day? I hate Justin Herbert. Yeah. He's smarter than you. He's more attractive than you. He's taller than you. He's more athletic than you. He's more humble than you.

He's more charming than you are. He can throw a ball better. He can run faster than you are. He is literally everything you want, top to bottom. They got their franchise guy. They're in a tough division. Hardball is a winner. It's all the guy does. We just, we just had Adam on, but the turnaround and the investment from the top, we were in that building. Like we felt the vibes in the building with everybody around it. We've seen what they put into it. We were around the strength coach. He had great vibes as well. So yeah, like I'm all in on the charge.

I think they can do some special things. Now obviously that team right there, been in the same division with the Kansas City Chiefs, Brady over in Vegas now. And then I've Denver with Sean Payton, what he's doing with Bo Nicks. So it will be an uphill battle, but going into a season,

if you got a head coach and a quarterback, like they have over there, you got a chance. I ran into a Raiders fan yesterday, Curtis who works for the WWE. He goes, you like the Raiders? I'm like, Tom Brady, brother. Like, what am I gonna say, Tom Brady's making bad decisions?

No, not gonna say that. I think you should just assume that the right decisions are being made with Tom Brady kind of at the helm. And the fact that he is so hands on, I think is probably why all the other owners owners are like so this guy's commentating In our building and he's running another team. How's this gonna work? No, it's Tom Brady It's Tom Brady and I think my thoughts were he's gonna be hands-off just like straight hand and Eli here are going in on the Giants

I assume they're not gonna be in the next You know hard knocks offseason of the Giants saying this what you need not gonna be in the next, you know, hard knocks off season of the Giants saying, this is what you need to do, this is what you need to do, because you know, minority stake ownership is kinda, you know, kinda, hey, your money's gonna be seen, but you aren't, you know, in this entirety. Tom Brady becoming like, yep, doing a sit down interviews, being the one who's hiring things.

I know Tom Brady's different than everybody else, but it's like, I didn't expect him to be this much of an owner, I don't think, whatever he got much of an owner I don't think whatever he got in the gig I don't know Tom Brady personally though And I guess what everybody says is Tom's not going anything half-ass like if he's gonna do it He's gonna do it. It's like I didn't know the NFL operated that way and I like the fact that Davis I like the fact that Mark Davis was just like Yeah

You got the keys smart move. Yeah, you do whatever the hell you need to do I don't know how many other owners would do that. Yeah, that's the part, the Davis and the ownership part. I expected Tom to at least want to be hands on and shit. Eli coming in New York, like, hey, John, I beat this guy twice. You see what he's doing over there. Let me help you find maybe your next, oh boy, he's drafted Jackson Dart, but you know, the future of the franchise here. So I'm excited about either one of these guys getting into that ownership position.

And I'm definitely rooting for Tom Brady to actually turn things around. You got your quarterback there with Gino. You locked him up. You got Pete Carroll, who, you know, we don't expect him to be there long-term, but I expect him to at least get that ship started in the right direction.

Yeah, I mean, that was like his first big decision. You know, they could have, they could have went out and got like the young hot shot, you know, play caller caller guru, whatever. They needed a guy like Pete Carroll. And I think a lot of people forget how good of a coach he is because of the way things ended in Seattle and then him taking a year off. That's what they needed to do to kind of reset the franchise. So far, I think you could argue. And then even the quarterback, maybe they didn't like who was in the draft, so it's

like, all right, let's go out and trade for Gino Like I think as of right now if I'm a Raiders fan I'm a thousand times more confident going into this year than I was last year me too And I think every move you make you just got to be like, yeah Tom Brady. Yeah. Yeah, it's Tom like it Yeah, all right. I like mm-hmm. This is what Tom thinks we need to do. Yep. All right That's what I think we need to do and how could you not think that way? What if they start losing again though? Probably I don't know Tom get the blame does Tom get the blame if they lose Yeah, like Pete Carroll's over there Chip Kelly's they got a lot of winners over there man. Gino Smith's over there

I mean comic man man special teams coordinator Tom Brady ain't getting fired So I don't think he's getting the blame and look at the public from the public. No, he won't get out I don't know. It'll be Pete because how much of the general public you think like truly believes that Tom Brady's doing everything? Well, that's what I'm saying. Like I think from what we have heard. Yes is Tommy's day-to-day Tom's in a good spot. Then if they win Tom's gonna get a lot of credit a lot of credit. Mark Davis is just saying look at this fucking goofball. This is why we can't remember where that backpack sat down. Yeah, cause right way up his back.

They're saying he's like on the phone. I don't want to. I don't know if it's with strength coach, but they're saying like he's on phone with coaches like, Hey, what are we thinking today? What are the minds? What are we trying to do? Okay, we'll talk to you later. And then like just making the

rounds it's like this guy is the acting owner of the Las Vegas Raiders. 7 Super Bowls. That's insane. Went to 10-1-7 and then to go to Tampa and then bring you know because it was you know a forever debate you know was it Bill was it Tom and then for him to go there and then- He brought in Spy Tech. He brought in Spy Tech, but he brought in that winning way, that Patriot way, that Brady way, whatever it may have been.

So yeah, so now if he goes to the Raiders, like AJ said, he is at a great spot. If it goes good, everybody be pointing at Tom. If it goes bad, you guys aren't doing it his way. The Art of Winning by Bill Belichick, I believe it is available today. You can go buy that. Get the inside tips of his life through football real one. I Got two

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All right, tell me when to stop you're gonna read a random page of the art of winning from bill bellichamp. Oh, yes stop stop Chapter 11 communication. Okay. All right. I Admit that at times I've been uncooperative with the media. Oh, you gotta read it like Bill. Hands up. Nope, not doing that. In 29 years of press conferences as a head coach, there have been some moments I'd like to have back. I was not good at ignoring questions from reporters that were phrased in a way that was intended to get a specific reaction. In this, I am not unique. I can pretty much guarantee that you've had a boss whose idea of constructive feedback was to pull you aside and ask you something like

did you think it was a good idea to or I'm confused by your decision to some passive aggressive stuff that they think is a slick way to get their point across without seeming like the bad guy I've been a little curt with an unsuspecting reporter Just trying to do his job There have been times when I've been asked a question and I've just ignored it altogether. To be clear, that's better than the alternative which would have led to my being fined. The media gets annoyed by being stonewalled, but plenty of people, normal people, fans, business people, other coaches, players, over the years have reached out and told me how much they appreciated how I handled some of those situations.

That's chapter 11 communication. I'll tell you what, it's just getting started. I like it. That's a good book. And fans did love it. In that next story, what are you saying? He was right in how he handled the media. Yeah, he said, I'll tell you what, some people might not like it.

I get a lot of messages from telling people, that's right. Don't give them shit. Leave them for nothing. You want to do another page? Yeah Yes, please tell me when it's not the page I was Tom Brady do Looking forward. Oh nice will help you see What matters in the present? It's true Never even thought of that that page stung me really different one. That's two pages. I just read two pages All right, I don't like that gimmick. Let's go. Never even thought of that. That page stung me. Are you reading a different one? That's two pages.

I just read two pages. All right. I don't like that gimmick. Let's go. Let's go another one. That's a lot of words. Go towards the front. Go towards the front.

Any pictures? Oh, these Tom Brady stories. How they applied to the week, the opponent or that year's team. If we hadn't constantly reinforced the meaning of the messages then they would have been just wallpaper that faded in the background by whatever was on people's phones on the way into their locker or desk so we made it clear do your job work hard be attentive that's how you win love that shit I'll tell you what this one right here work hard The most important thing that a human can have I've tried to realize and I tried to understand Why I just hate some people, you know, there were some people I meet and deep down in my loins

I hate them and I'm like, why do I hate this person? A lot of people seemingly like this person I think it all stems from whether or not I think the other person has a good work ethic or not. If they're lazy and don't have a work ethic, what I've learned about me is I'm not going to like them. And I don't know why that's the case. I don't know what it is about me and what it is about them. But I think hard work is the most important trait that you can have. I think having a work ethic is the most important thing that you can instill upon the next generation I think understanding that it's gonna take a lot of work to accomplish anything is something that needs to be understood by everybody in This fairy tale world that we're in where everybody thinks everything just comes at the snap of a finger

I think working hard is the most important thing in life Legitimately obviously caring and loving those around you and being respectful and being nice and yada yada yada. But when it comes to like accomplishing things, I think work ethic is the only thing that matters. And boy, I've done a little self-scout. I fucking hate people that don't have a work ethic. And uh, I need to be better with them because it's not their fault. It's not their fault they're lazy. It's not their fault they have no drive. It's not their fault that they think everybody else will handle everything for them It's kind of how they're raised usually it's kind of how their life has been So maybe you can work a work ethic into somebody but boy, I don't have time for it mostly and

I will quickly make that decision and just oh See you later got no time for this bum and I'll move forward and then I realized quickly have to work with this bum Well, I just burned the bridge with the bum. Well, you're gonna have to rebuild that thing You need to go on fortnight with your little fucking thing and build a bridge pick it back up Yeah, you need to do that whole thing I like that working hard is starting to be promoted by more people Like I think there for a bit like it wasn't something that was talked about Now I think like people are starting to reiterate the fact like, hey, everything is going to

take work. Everything in life is going to take a lot of work. You just need to sign up for it, get used to it, and fucking do the thing. The audio book is available for purchase and download on Audible. It is also available on Amazon.com and other platforms like Chirp Books. Bill Belichick narrated his own audio book, The Art of Winning Lessons from My Life in Football. All right, let's listen to that for the next 10 years.

Okay, boom. I'll get it. Let's get after it. Is there any Tom Brady in there? I speed him up, I put him at 1.2. No Robert Kraft, right? No, no Bobby. Do you guys do 2X?

No. I do like 1.25. Yeah, 1.25. On videos I'll do like 1.25. Yeah, 1.25. On videos I'll do 2x. To my mom, Jeanette, and my dad, Steve, for their love and support. To Bill Edwards, my godfather, and my father's college and NFL coach. My father's book, Football Scouting Methods, was dedicated to Bill Edwards, but the dedication page was left out. The Belichick family is forever indebted to Bill Edwards and his wife Dorothy for inspiring three generations of coaches. To my grandparents Leslie and Irene Munn and John and Mary Belichick for the sacrifices they made for their children grandchildren and future generations. To my children Amanda, Stephen and Brian your love and

inspiration power our journey. I've watched you grow as parents and as coaches. Oh, yeah, that was this page. Oh, what's this bitch? That's all Acknowledgement I can't see is that publisher information or no publisher information is here. I believe copyright collected poems Interior design was done by Ruth Lee Mui. Oh wow. Who's the publisher? Simon and Schuster? Avid reader press an imprint of Simon and Schuster. Boom! They run this shit. Simon and Schuster do the books. They do this.

They do do the books. Yes they do. Art of Winning available available now bill bellichick go get it now that interview was not what he thought it was gonna be it's not what cbs is saying yeah i don't know about that cbs guys uh we tried yeah we certainly tried and bill goes i was told we're talking book and ball. Who told you that? That's why I wore the Navy. That's why I wore the Navy sweatshirt. Book and ball, this is.

The hole in it, you see it? I'm just sitting there on that chair with that ripped fucking sweater. His hair the way it is. I'm here talking about book and ball. That is awesome. The whole situation, like, of course you wrote a book. They can ask you about anything.

Like they're going to. Had no idea. No, he was told. He sat down, book and ball. It's not what his PR was told. Is what we're talking about. He's potentially looking for new PR. We'll see how that goes.

Bill Belichick's still the greatest football coach of all time. Never fucking forget it. Okay? Some people were forgetting it, it feels like. Well, not just some. A lot of people were forgetting it. We need to not forget it. Greatest football coach of all time.

And if you want to learn, the Arnold winning. Bingo. Available now. Can't wait. Are you audio booking it with Bill? Yeah, obviously I read it once. No, you read Margaret.

Well, I read Margaret's book. Which also helps. Now I got to listen to it. Which also helps. Margaret's book Margaret Hefford and she was sure sees well, are she with the shoes? Heffernan publishing you said Blackrock owns it all, you know, I'm sure they own everything I mean Simon Schuster is the book version of that who Who's been bopping in this thing? Pages are sticking together. Avid Reader Press?

Who's that? Avid Reader Press, I'm not familiar with. D-Bud is way over the red. So she's good? Good job. Butch loves it. Avid Reader Press, an imprint of? Simon and Schuster.

Bill's was the same. So Simon and Schuster just kind of mixed up the books. You get Margaret and Bill. Makes sense. Two for one. Lucky. I wonder if the audio book you get Margaret and Bill. Makes sense. Two for one. Lucky. I wonder if the audiobook would be Margaret reading Billy. What if Bill read Margaret's all Margaret's fans? I can't wait to get to the audiobook. Let me tell you about that.

Let's get to a break. We'll be back tomorrow. We're off tomorrow. Big meeting day tomorrow for the entire program. Then we'll be back Thursday and Friday and then backlash is Saturday in St. Louis. AJ let's enjoy the hell out of this life. Tonight two NHL games, two NBA games. Life is amazing in the sports world. We can never forget it. I believe it's a unifier, the greatest unifier in the world. I will always believe that and I will always choose to celebrate the shit out of sports. Even the sports we might not know enough about. For instance instance baseball is happening is Aaron judge the greatest right-handed hitter at all time Stats would indicate yes. He is no one has really ever done what he's doing which is crazy

And then you know the Yanks just go out there they trade for you know the best best closer in baseball guy Can't fucking pitch in the big city You know so Yankees need to start winning and not waste what judges do. Okay, and on that note, I heard Paul Skeens had quite an outing against the Cubs the other day. Not that great. I heard the Cubs had his number there for a second. Yeah, he only gave up three earned runs, but he did give up three big flies,

which is gonna happen sometimes when you're throwing the ball as hard as he is, and then he may have been thrown off as well by ushers in the stands, getting in big time fights with Pirates fans, beating the shit out of each other And started yeah usher got spit on he said, okay, whoa what the Pirates fucking suck I'm not letting this happen took his belt off and started fucking what what he's smacked public. Yeah on camera I'm a concord. He's spitting on people. Well the Pittsburgh Pirates

They spit on their face old buddies back. He is he is old buddy that fell in the Outfield yeah, it's alive. He also walked. I believe yeah He broke his broke his neck Oh his back. Why I believe his shoulder and fractured skull right? Yeah, so he's Carbons live, but he was able to walk. He's got to be young. Oh just 21. Yeah Just graduated college. I think jack Yinser yeah happy to hear he's okay But a lot of things happen around the pirate to just continue to get where's there's no fans in the stands the other day Well, they fucking suck. Yeah, they're bad. Oh man. When are they gonna sell the damn team never?

You know that let's get the hell out of here be a friend tell a friend something nice might change your life we're in this thing together team on me we'll see you on Thursday team on three one two three team goodbye