The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1338 - HOLY SHITE THURSDAY With Quentin Richardson, Ian Rapoport, Peter Schrager, Utah Jazz and Utah Mammoth Owner Ryan Smith, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about all the incredible playoff action in both the NBA and NHL, and also react to the news that a new pope has been elected and he is AMERICAN, Robert Prevost from Chicago. Joining the show to break down all of the action in the NBA Playoffs is 13 year NBA veteran, 2005 3-point contest champion, co-host of the Knuckleheads podcast, and ESPN NBA analyst, Quentin Richardson. Next, NFL Network Senior Insider, Ian Rapoport joins the show to break down all the latest NFL news including George Pickens being traded to the Cowboys, the latest on Derek Carr, Trey Hendrickson, and more. Next, ESPN NFL Insider, Emmy winner, former go-host of GMFB, Peter Schrager joins the show to react live to the pope news, chat about what he’s hearing around the NFL, and more. Lastly, owner of the Utah Jazz and newly renamed Utah Mammoth, Ryan Smith joins the show to chat about his first season as an NHL owner, how they reached Mammoth, how he’s learned from each team, potentially getting the #1 pick in the NBA Draft, and much more. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to our humble abode the Thunderdome on this holy shot Thursday May 8th 2025 this program starts now sports are happening all around us we were off yesterday because I had meetings all day and we're trying to figure out the future of our business our company and our life and I would like to say things are looking good. We do believe in life is great, especially because sports are fantastic. Hey, why is today called Holy Shite Thursday? Well, that's because the Knicks are up 2-0 over the Celtics. Holy Shite! The Indiana Pacers are up 2-0 over the number one seed, Cleveland Cavaliers. Holy Shite! The Maple Leafs are up 2-0 over the number one seed Cleveland Cavaliers. Holy

shite The Maple Leafs are up 2-0 over the reigning defending undisputed Lord Stanley Cup champion, Florida Panthers. Holy shite And George Pickens is a Dallas Cowboy Holy shite So much happening and we'll be trying to catch up with all of it. We'll be chit chatting about it all.

We have a lot of guests coming on. Quinton Richardson will join us in about nine minutes. Obviously he was a 13 year NBA veteran. He will chit chat about the upsets that are potentially around the corner in basketball that none of us could have seen coming. Pacers up two over the Cavs cause Ty Reese, what the hell, a Burton is halers up two over the Cavs because Ty Reese, what the hell, O'Byrton is how a ballin' all over the

place. Okay, I'm going to miss this free throw on purpose. Yeah, without a doubt. Yeah, without a doubt. No questions asked. No questions asked. Have you seen his free throw percentages? If he's going to miss, it's going to be on purpose. He knew he was going to miss it short. He knew there was going to be a scrum. He knew where it was going to bounce. He said, let me snag that thing. Oh, we're one on one at the top. Okay, how you doing? Keep it. Ah, the ah the Halle step back we're gonna start calling that the what the Halle because I believe

that is happening at a regular basis and him having what two game winning or whatever they started giving out all the stats nine out of ten highest percentage it's like 1960 something or whatever Tyrese Halliburton was voted the most overrated player in the NBA by our friends at the New York Times is athletic a couple weeks ago what has he done since then oh just big ball over everybody holy we are in Halliburton's time and if you start looking around the league you start looking at who's playing well on a consistent basis you start to think to yourself hold the phone are we staring down a potential parade here in Indiana in a few months are we staring down the hottest team in the NBA right now even

if you go all the way back to like February or whatever it was the Indiana Pacers are that team and their team that works hard their team that's bought in their team that's very close and their team that has a superstar at the point guard position who is humble and has got enough moxie to be electrifying now I know the NBA and the TV people haven't wanted to put them on primetime you don't want that guy on primetime television? You're out of your damn mind. Next game is on Friday night here in Indiana. I assume that we will have some representation in the building and uh, I'm pumped up about this. Now, obviously the Cleveland Cavaliers are a great team.

Cleveland Cavaliers have had a stupendous season. Number one seed in the east and that is an east that has the Boston Celtics. Speaking of Boston Celtics down 2-0 to the New York Knicks. Let's go over to the toxic table at Ty Schmidt. You look great. And at Boston Connor, what the hell's going on? Now I'm hearing everybody say that the next game is a must win for the New York Knicks

because the Celtics might wake up. What the hell happened last night? And how are we at a situation where the Knicks are up 2-0 over the daunted, dominant Boston Celtics team, Conway. Yeah, not so dominant whatsoever. Last night it was kind of the same story as game one. Right into it, the with about, I don't know, six minutes left. Yeah.

Up 10, the Celtics, the Knicks come right down, Bridges three. I believe that was his second bucket of the game. He scored 14 points all in the fourth. Brunson three. How you doing off an offensive rebound? Basically a nightmare situation here. Josh Hart. It was them three really in the fourth quarter. Uh, here they go again. You guys are up 20 at one point, right? I'm 20 at one point. I believe 99% or 98% chance of winning. Whatever the fuck that means. Graphic

has it as well. I think they're the first team ever to come back from 20 point games in back to back in a playoff series. There it is. There's their first lead of the night with one 58 left in the fourth quarter. Brunson's unbelievable. Here he is once again. A lot of people thought that was Nan one, but no sir. They go up by three Celtics actually can score the basketball even though we haven't seen much of it not there Those are free throws the Celtics didn't score a field goal I believe for six straight minutes in the fourth quarter. Those are free throws Those are not field goals down by one Celtics Of course make it look easy tatum walk right down the court dunk. Oh, we're up by one, you know

The next they have the most clutch player in the NBA Even if they are able to score which they are Brunson gets the free throw line here against Drew Holliday He ends up making both of them, but still plenty of time 12.7 seconds Celtics down by two and in there down by one rather bucket once again and No time out kind of love it. Let the boys play Tatum just came down and went right to the hole and scored Let's see if he can do it again on Mitchell Robinson their center turns out no Mikhail bridges kind of late double team there snatches the ball blocks him game one He snatched it out of Jalen Brown's hands game two he basically blocks the Tatum pass to Jalen Brown and the Knicks take

a 2-0 lead winning twice in Boston. Bridges was unbelievable in the fourth quarter. He scored all 14 of his points and it was quite a spectacle here. Here's kind of the highlights of him also doing the deed it was it was I won't say abusive because i'm not going to go that far but watching it as a celtics fan. It was painful Yeah, I could imagine especially being up 20 or whatever This is back-to-back games in this new york nicks team Obviously, we know about their resilience and their fight and their grit and everything like that and brunson has been voted the most clutch player In the nba and he's a dog. obviously we saw him last year during the playoff run

This season I think there was an injury maybe a trade some shit happened with the Knicks where the Knicks gonna be able to Be the Knicks this year without the Vincenzo and everything they had going on cat Coming over there yada yada yada, and it's like they continue to be the team It just keeps on fighting and I think people in New York are pumped that this team is representing the city of New York Bruce This is the best Knicks team, obviously best run the Knicks have had in a long, long time. It feels like the city's out, brother. They're outside right now having a blast with this.

Oh yeah, we are outside as they say. The Knicks haven't been to the Eastern Conference Finals since 2000. This is the most fun I've had watching a New York sports team since 2007 probably. You can even go back to the Yankees 2003, Aaron Boone hitting a game seven walk off home run. It's that type of energy that we're dealing with right now.

Honestly last night, played great defensively, but offensively, we really struggled to get anything going obviously in the first three quarters. But we're taking it back to MSG and hopefully putting it away. And Destiny is all, we'll have that rematch with the Pacers and be the first healthy team they play in the NBA playoffs since the Boston Celtics last year. Okay, yeah, I understand the Cavs have some injuries.

I mean, that's basketball that's gonna take place. I'm excited to see a healthy Knicks team take on a healthy Pacers team. A lot of basketball left. This is what the best of seven thing is. People can get up two-oh and everybody lose their mind. And oh, they stole two on the road. It's like, they can easily take the other two

in your house as well. All these teams are great at this point. Cavaliers have had a phenomenal year. Spidey has a chance to go do some magic here in Indiana. And whenever we talk about the Celtics, I mean, they missed another 33s last night or last night yeah yeah 10 of 40 from 3 and they were going to the hole which was very nice but yeah it's kind of reminiscent of the Celtics Pacers series last year in the Eastern Conference Finals the

Celtics have been up I believe 81 of the minutes of the entire series 81 of the you know 102 minutes or whatever the hell it is so they have been well, but then it's the end of the game and they shit down their leg. I personally, it feels a lot like 2023, where the Celtics went down three out of the heat. They come all the way back, force a game seven, Tatum gets hurt on the first play, the heat ended up winning and going to the finals. I'm not worried. I have opened the door of where the panic button sits, but I have not looked at it. I have not gone in out and I have not worried. I have opened the door of where the panic button sits, but I have not looked at it

I have not gone in out and I have not thought about pressing it But I am starting to wonder you know What is the problem because they didn't change anything which I loved and they continued to miss wide open threes once again I think you go back to the well don't change anything. You're beating the Knicks the entire game. They go up in the last two minutes. It's like, hey, you gotta hit some shots here, okay? J.J. Hey boys, we need to knock down some shots. Six minutes straight with no field goals.

Not good in basketball, let alone playoff basketball. Yeah, in the fourth quarter. And you know, it's like, there's only so many things. People are saying Joe Mazzullo. Well, what do you want Joe Mazzullo to do? You know, I bet he could sit in the corner and knock down some of these wide open threes, but guess what?

He's not Jokic. He's not the player coach right now like Denver. He is just the coach. Speaking of that, Oklahoma City just demolishes Denver last night. Had a record high first half. I think I don't know what record they broke with the amount of points that they had. It was like Oklahoma City decided to remind everybody who the hell they are. And I know that Oklahoma City was favored to win the hell they are and I know that

Oklahoma City was favored to win this series going in I know that Joker and the Nuggets were underdogs in my eyes That's tough to believe just strictly because the championship pedigree that is currently in Denver and in Oklahoma City just woke up last time Decided to beat their ass and they absolutely did I think the NBA playoffs have been nothing short of spectacular let alone the whole Golden State situation that's brewing over there I mean there is the NBA the association is showing up for us right now in the sports world we're incredibly thankful for that as has the NHL the NHL right now I mentioned it at the beginning of our holy Thursday announcement Maple Leafs which are a team that is synonymous with blowing it are now up 2-0 in a best of seven series

against the reigning defending champion Panthers. Now, obviously there's a chance that Kachuk, one of the leaders of the Panthers, is still banged up with a groin injury that he got at Four Nations. And obviously there's many other stories that you can tell in hockey on why a team isn't doing whatever.

The Maple Leafs though, up 2-0 on the Panthers is insane, but that's not the only storyline that is in the NHL. One half of the hammer Don Cowboys AP tone has more now We got to go back to Tuesday night game one capitals and Hurricanes the Capitals came out and they they took a 1-0 lead But then you know the Canes came storming back with two goals by fucking Stankovin Okay, Stankovin is an absolute dog from the slot there, gets one right there. And then Jake Slavin gets the game winner and over time, Canes go up 1-0 in the series.

Okay, so the Canes get a massive 1-0 series lead against the Capitals. Now the Canes are supposed to win this series. Capitals are underdogs. Which is once again something that is tough to believe because of OV Tom, the entire team in Washington, has championship pedigree. This Hur's hurricanes in front of those Caniacs especially down there. Tough team to handle. Oilers and Knights is becoming special tongue. Yeah also on Tuesday night, oh, Ties Knights go up 2-0 with two stoner goals okay they're looking good 2-0 at home and then four unanswered goals by the Oilers to put them up 1-0 in the series. The Oilers get one on the road to start the series which is huge to start there when the Knights were up 2-0

On the scoreboard with two from Stoner. So yeah a tough start for the Knights But Oilers come roaring back to win game one. Yeah, and McJeez is obviously was the guy in the first two highlights I was doing everything down there on the right side them getting a bat out of the air from the sideways off the back of the Goalie and they're going, that's tough news. No, I mean, I don't know what Aiden Hill is doing. I don't know if he's, you know, playing, it looked like he's playing catch with a baseball. Like that, I've never seen a goalie do that ever, but hey, it happens. It really does pay me though, because Stoner was just so hot. He came out, scores two goals. You really hate to see the Knights kind of, yeah, I mean, again, that is the first time and probably the last time that will ever happen in an NHL game but you know it's the playoffs baby that's that's what happened so we'll see

Knights need to get this one tonight need this game tonight yeah I I love that and how about the Stars brother let's go the other half of the hammer Don Cowboys bubblegum Pino Miko is really out there doing some stuff on Paul guys unbelievable hat trick again last night Otter stood on his head This was a massive trade the Stars made to get him paid him from the Hurricanes was on Colorado to start the season He's an all-time playoff performer and he did it again last night for us back-toto-back hat-tricks, is that accurate? Is that what I read? Oh yeah. He's unbelievable. That'd be a nice one and how sweet would that be? He was double-shifting last night too. He was

playing with the fourth line as well. Yeah, third player ever to do the back-to-back hat-tricks. And then we just meant, Tony just mentioned Logan Stankoven he from Carolina scored two goals That was that trade Dallas sent him to Carolina Dallas got ranting in back both of those guys working out. Yeah, I like that. It's a good deal for all parties Yeah, everyone's winning right now people like that a lot tonight. We have Warriors Timberwolves in the NBA Hurricanes Capitals Oilers Golden Knights. That'll be at 930 in the NBA, Hurricanes, Capitals, Oilers, Golden Knights. That'll be at 9.30, Oilers, Golden Knights on ESPN, 7 o'clock, Canes and Capitals,

and then Warriors, Timberwolves, 8.30. Great night of sports. Great night of sport. Let's talk about the NFL, half two. This was massive news yesterday. I was sitting in the middle, I was in a conference room, and then all of a sudden, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, what the hell is going on?

George Pickens has been traded to the Dallas Cowboys. Wait a second, the Steelers received a 2026 third round pick and a 2027 fifth round pick. I don't know if they're trying to accrue picks or if this was the best offer that they were to get, but they send Pickens and a sixth rounder to the Dallas Cowboys and that graphic jersey swap that D-Bone did there is nasty. I mean, that is great work there, D-Bone. Great work, D-Bone. That is a filthy picture right there.

But George Pickens, I thought, me personally, as soon as D.K. McCaff gets brought into the Pittsburgh Steelers, I immediately go, okay, this means George Pickens is gone. A lot of people are like, well, why would that mean that? Now they have another weapon. Now they've got a second wide receiver. They've been looking for a second wide receiver. Why would as soon as they get another wide receiver, why would they try to get rid of the guy that they have? And it's just like, I think there's a lot potentially going on in that room. That feels like a tough room.

And, you know, on Madden, you don't have to worry about humans. Okay, on Madden it's just a rating. In fantasy football, whenever you're drafting somebody, you're not drafting the humans and whether or not they would get along, you're drafting the upside, the capability. In Madden it's like, what is their best day? That is their number.

Humans becoming a team is the most important part of a successful football franchise. I'd assume any sport, but it's definitely in the NFL. With the way things have gone with George Pickens in Pittsburgh, adding in DK Metcalf, with how things were going with DK in Seattle, that just felt like too much TNT for me in one particular room when there's only one football on the field. I assumed GP was going to get traded.

I know that there's a lot of teams that are very interested in George Pickens, so I assume that would be something that would be an easy move to get traded. I know that there's a lot of teams that are very interested in George Pickens, so I assume that would be something that would be an easy move to get done. Now, allegedly, the Dallas Cowboys and the Pittsburgh Steelers started this conversation before the draft, when Jerry Jones came out and said, I got a couple of substantive moves that I'm looking to make either before draft, after draft, maybe today, maybe tomorrow. What does that mean? Well, apparently what we have learned now is Jerry Jones is talking to the Steelers. Was that the first time the Steelers, and he had a conversation and he said,

where's the microphone? Where's the microphone? Give me a microphone. Yeah, I just talked to a guy who can do things. Omar Khan, you ever heard of him? I got a big move. Has this been the plan all along for the Dallas Cowboys to bring in George Pickens?

Has the plan been to move on from George Pickens? How long has that been the plan? There's so many more questions. But what I do know is George Pickens is a dog whenever he's on the field, when he wants to be. There's obviously clips and moments from his career thus far that are going to be questioned, and if he was to be playing like the way he plays in the NFL in college, whenever he would be going through the draft, there'd be a lot of people nitpicking a lot of the decisions that he made on the field and things that he said and done off the field with that being said

Upside through every roof that you've ever seen if you can get him to buy in and if you can get him to love his team And you can get him in an offense shotting the boys gonna have to figure that out down there with Dak If you can get him an offense that he is gonna do well in he has the chance to be mega star So I assume that the Steelers view this as a win because they're gonna move in a different direction And if I'm George Pickens, I think I'm pretty excited for a new start fresh start as well to be mega star. So I assume that the Steelers view this as a win because they're gonna move in a different direction. And if I'm George Pickens, I think I'm pretty excited for a new start, fresh start as well, especially down there in Dallas.

AP Tone, obviously diehard Pittsburgh Steelers fan, you thought it was gonna be DK, GP, Friar Muth, you know, even Warren Inner, you thought that was gonna be the case. I think a lot of people had hopes for that. I think in the building, there was a decision on, is this sustainable? Is this sustainable for

18 weeks 17 games with the roller coaster that happens throughout a football season Yeah, I think my whole thing yesterday was that 2025 Steelers fan me was bummed out because yes I wanted to see all those guys to play together. Was it going to work out? Who knows? It was going to be electric. It was going to be fireworks whether it was good or bad 2025 me was very excited to see this This offense as a whole potentially with Aaron thrown to these guys 2026 and moving forward me Thinks is a very smart move. They were never going to pay George. This is he's going into a contract year This was his final year. They were never going to pay DK 30 and then pay George 25 to 30 And like we you said he was a first round talent come out. He

fell to the second round because of some of the stuff that you've heard about George about, you know, showing up late to games and stuff like that. I just don't think the Steelers organization wanted to deal with that anymore. Now, like, listen, the Steelers fan base was not happy at all yesterday about this. Now, if you looked at it with a level head, you could have been like, like I was 2026 moving forward. We're not going to, we're never going to pay this guy. We're going to get a third round pick. We now have 12 picks going into the 2026 draft that is in Pittsburgh, three third round picks now in that draft to potentially move up, you know,

get your future. Um, but you know, just the whole thing, this was, this was always going to be the case. I think this this was the smartest move don't moving forward for the team I know a lot of people are pissed about it, but 2025 were you really gonna win Super Bowl? Was he gonna help you win Super Bowl? Maybe probably not so I think this was a smart well I also I saw a little Aaron Rodgers derangement syndrome. Yeah, where his fault He I don't even know if he knows George yet, but what he likes He's not even on Steelers what he likes from a wire receiver certainly something that George is not so Aaron's gonna want him to be moved

So Mike Tomlin and Omar Khan and Rooney family said, you know, this guy's not even on our team yet But there's a chance that he doesn't like you. So we're gonna there's people saying that we are not making that up that was actually said by people and people saying that. We are not making that up that was actually said by people and maybe a conversation was said about how he operates and whether or not he's still gonna be a Pittsburgh Steeler for the long haul like are we gonna pay him to be a long one maybe we can get a couple pieces for this that can help our future but I will say this about George Pickens if he's able to hit that next level lock in and everything like that you're talking about game breaker game

wrecker I'm happy to hear the Dallas Cowboys still have hope that that is the case and hopefully he'll be able to accomplish that we have some breaking news ladies and gentlemen of the Catholic faith no way there is a new pope that has been selected what white smoke has come out of the top of the smoke stack. And What? Out of, can you scroll up please? 133 cardinal electors gathered in the Vatican 16 Chapel, which obviously we know from the picture, and they have elected the new Pope.

He will appear soon at the central window of Saint Peter's Basilica. Basilica. Wow. So he's just gonna do, they like have like songs and then he's like on the side, Q stays. Yep, please. So he's going to, he's going to be here. They're going to have that empty window. Yep. Yeah. And then he's just going to go pow. Pretty much. Yeah. And then all the people down there are just going to go ape shit. Everyone's's gonna know who it is. It's me. Yup. It's me. P-O-P-E. He might hit a couple of these. Yeah. Exactly. Is he gonna be a thousand years old

like all these other popes have been or how's this kind of work? Should we expect a 2000 year old man to roll into this window later and he's in charge now on every cat? He's your boss now? He's a Catholic boss now? Well, I'm not a priest.

So he's not technically not my boss. Oh, so he's the boss of every priest. He is the... Who's the boss now? He's a Catholic boss? Well, I'm not a priest so he's not technically not my boss So he's the boss of every priest. He is the he is the who's the boss of you? I'm the boss of me brother Okay, your Lord and Savior needs a swell that dude that's who but yeah, he's running the Catholic Church My guess would be so I actually we had this conversation this morning Everything I'd read that said like hey, this could be the longest conclave ever We got a lot of young Cardinals who have never been through this process We might not have multiple weeks here before we get a new pope. Nope Two days in Wow, they're like fuck it. We're done with this. We found maybe they know who's the guy

It could be maybe they knew some guy walked in and they just have it, you know Yeah, some guy walked in a Sistine Chapel and they go They saw him genuflect and they were like, oh, boom, that was it right there. So how good leadership is what they're looking for? How's it? Yeah, I would assume stability as well, because they don't want to put in an old guy and have the new pope die in like four years here, five years, and then have to do this whole process again. But from everything I've read in

this particular situation, because there were a lot of young and inexperienced Cardinals, this is just a political power grab. A lot of, you know, people... Back stabbing in there? Yeah, could have been. Could have been quite a bit. Wow. I didn't think about that. So we'll see. I'm very interested. They had odds set on who was kind of the hot shot. I believe there was a guy from Italy, you know, they favored the hometown hero. The Popino. Yeah, exactly. So we'll see.'m actually shocked. I'm shocked. We got white smoke today. This is crazy

Do we know do we know who it is before they appear at the window or is it just like hey here I am and then we Somebody knows who that guy is right 133 people that elected I think yeah Yeah, and I think they're probably pretty tight I mean if they're sending smoke signals to let people know messages, I assume there's not a of messages getting out of there. Maybe a carrier pigeon. They'll send up a bit break the news I don't know what it is. But congrats to them finding a new Pope. We got we got our guys. They got their guy We got our guy Dominated the pre-conclave meetings. Yeah, just he came in and just took over and asked him Hey, what's your least favorite part about the church? Well and he said there's nothing. There's actually nothing about the church. I didn't even know that was possible.

And then they asked him to draw up some verses. Yeah. And what his favorite parts are. Yep, a couple favorite hymns. Yeah, favorite hymns. What leads to what too? Like hey, why did you pick this particular verse on this particular Sunday when everybody else did this? And you know as I was thinking about the people that are gonna be in my congregation I thought they needed to hear this they had already heard this two weeks before so I won't with this message I even sprinkled in a little John in here little John came in little John came in here and I thought that message really hit home and the other 133 were like yeah that's our guy yeah it did brother confession breakdown you know as far as yeah, how do you handle certain situations?

What's your go-to probably had let him do like an elevator pitch homily. Sure. Okay. Why why should you be Pope five minutes? Go and he goes We don't mean to mock it but oh we know nothing about the process other than the fact they send smoke out that thing and let the world know that there's a new head of the Catholic Church. Congrats to whoever this is. And we can't wait to see you say, it's me! Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, not from the Pope world, surprisingly.

What if we would have had a guest from the Catholic world to let us know how the... I believe he did go to a Catholic institution for college. He was a Cardinal. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, a man who played 13 years in the NBA, Quentin Richardson. Yeah, Quentin! God knew Pope, too rich, new Pope, brand new, fresh out. That's awesome, man. I'm just like y'all. I know nothing about it. I'm exactly like y'all. I have no clue. I didn't even know about the white smoke happening. So that's

what's up. So at the end of the day, that is what's up. Congrats to new Pope. It's probably pretty big deal. Yeah, it's a big deal. It's a pretty big deal. We come to Pope. I assume he's jacked up today. Oh yeah. Okay. So they sent out smoke last night that said we're not done. Yeah. Black smoke. No new Pope. Okay. So they sent out smoke last night that said, we're not done. Yeah. Black smoke, no new Pope. Okay. So what are you doing? Burned tar in there and say- No, they're smoking.

Six. Six. Okay. Kira, let's get back to away from the Pope. And, but let's talk about some smoke. Tyrese Halliburton's got all the smoke right now. All of it. Now, obviously his basers team's playing very together.

Tyrese Halliburton is obviously playing some of his best ball he has all season basically. They're up 2-0 right now on the number one seed, Cleveland Cavaliers. What are your thoughts on this Pacers team that you're watching now? If you go back to February, hottest team in the NBA. What are your thoughts on what's happening right now

with this particular team and this series? Man, they figuring it out. I'd be lying if I said I was. I'm not surprised right now. I'm extremely surprised to see that they're up 2-0. I mean, I could see them going in and getting them a game and splitting. I did not expect Indiana to walk into Cleveland and walk, look at Hallie with the old school Sam Cassell, Sally. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I didn't expect them to go in there and just take both games. And in the fashion, they did it in the comeback. It's like those was like rip your heart out type moments at the end of the game. You know what I'm saying? And like how he said, what the hell he said, he said, he said, hey, hey, overrate that. I respect that. I love what he's doing out there.

He writing his own record right now. I think there was a chance that that tweet was maybe going to over 8 D's. So then the next game whatever it happens, it's like this is what I was referring to. I almost could have told a story throughout the entirety of it. Ty Reese is the perfect guy for the NBA too, like legitimately. He is, he's got so much mocks, he's a nerd, right? He's like a wrestling nerd, but you get him on the court, so much swagger, he's great at the game, loves that he's a part of the NBA, respects the fact

that he's a professional basketball player, and here in Indianapolis, we love him. He's not the only one on that team though. That team is filled with absolute dogs, and Carlisle's got them all bought in. All of them are bought in. I think that is so incredibly important, which leads to obviously the other series that makes us say, holy

shite Knicks up 2-0 over the Celtics. Both games, Celtics have massive leads. They blow them at the end. Both games they miss an immense amount of three point shots and for six minutes in the fourth quarter the Celtics didn't score a field goal. What the hell is going on? Is Boston dead? Are they going to be able to wake up or is this just this Knicks team is so damn good and they make you kind of tap out and quit it towards the end? First and foremost how you doing Boston Connor? How you doing? I don't know about that. I'm still repping the team.

You still repping it? Yeah, I'm not too worried just yet. I've not hit the panic button. I got confidence. Nah, just like I said with the Pacers series, I'm definitely shocked that the niggas went in there and got both of those games. Especially obviously with them being down 20 in both games, but I mean I haven't lost complete hope right now I mean I still feel like the way the Celtics were able to go into both games and be up 20 They just got a nice screw it up. You know I'm saying like when you get up that many points to go It's a stat out there where they've missed 45 wide open three That means you've you're at least six feet or more open Nobody's within six feet of you shooting the bar you over 45 on on those type of shots

but you can't believe that Boston is gonna continue to do that and you can't believe that Boston is gonna continue to build leads and then just let them collapse and melt down because Jalen russet has shown if you just get me to the winning time I could do the rest if you just keep it, if we could close the gap and get there and get to the point to where it's actual clutch time, Jalen Brunson gonna do his thing. He's shown improving that. So if Boston, the confidence they're giving me is that they've been able to

continuously build these leads. When you're able to co-up on a team like that consistently, that means that you better them at some point. You're just doing a crappy job of keeping the lead and closing it out. They gotta figure that part of it out. Definitely, that could be a mental block though, Q. And on the flip side, you're talking about a mental boost

for the Knicks, knowing that they've been able to do this two times now. There's gonna be not that there ever has been any quit in this Knicks team, especially led by Brunson. And Jamal Crawford told us last week that he was shooting he's been shooting with Brunson since he's like eight years old, right? Cuz he played with his dad or whatever and then you watch the way Brunson kind of operates as a guy that grew up in

The NBA it has to be sweet for him That just the way people talk about him is like if it's close in the end Brunson's go in the game Like that's like the greatest compliment you can give a competitor. And that is very real with this guy. And the team knows it as well. What a squad they have right now, Q. Now they got a great collection of guys that's playing really well together. But as far as Brunson, his mental makeup, like Rick Brunson, his dad, OG Rick has done a great job bringing them up, but I think even Rick will say

Jalen's mindset like you you can't like as a as a as a former player or whoever you can't just say okay I'm gonna make my kid this way like he was built He was born that way to have this type of mental capacity to be Even killed and not get too high to not get too low and to be able to have that that type of focus to be able to go crazy like that when it becomes clutch time and the thing that's impressive to me is that Even the game winners the shots he hit you see guys go jumping on tables and lose it like he celebrates But it's like it's very mild and very chill. He's he's a like he was born that way It's hard to say that I'm gonna go build and mold somebody that had that type of mindset and that type of mental toughness.

I mean, obviously some of the things that Rick put them through coming up that definitely molded and gave him some of his toughness, but that mindset and the mental part, I don't know that you could just build that. Yeah. I think the skills and everything and obviously the game that he can learn from the pros that he grew up around is certainly an advantage for him. But dogs, especially like mamba mentality type dogs, I think you're born that way. I don't know if you can find that. Now let's go to the West, shall we?

And what a dominant first half and then obviously dominant entire game. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Q Rich, I think after game one, we all assumed like, hey, why is Denver still the underdogs when they play well, especially with Jokic and what he's doing like this this team should be A favorite to knock off the Thunder with how young they are But then last night we see what happens when the Thunder kind of play their a game They win by 43 when you're looking at this series after last night Does that type of get right game like do you think the Thunder are just gonna roll now or do you think? This one is still gonna go like six or seven? games I

Think it'll still be a competitive series. I don't think that Like it was the aberration of my eyes I don't think they're gonna just keep beating about 40 and 30 points But I do think okay see is the better team obviously a record and everything they've done the whole season shows that but um I do know that Denver, you know and everything they've done the whole season shows that but um I do know that Denver you know they we just lost him yeah we'll call him back oh man yeah we'll call him back he was about to get into it there had an interesting service throughout the entirety of it was kind of coming and going yeah first time I often wonder how that happens you know because if you have full service at one

point and then you have no service at another point does Does that mean they are? Throttling throttling you a little bit satellite in front of another satellite Oklahoma City right now is like, oh, of course Soon as you get a chance to talk about us being great over this Denver Duggets team It just cuts off completely isn't that convenient, you know and how it all goes But watching that game on my phone because I was in the middle of some watching that number just run crazy I thought I was watching like a yeah, like, you know, they have those counters or whatever Oklahoma City's first half that number got real big real quick They played no games none and it's like wait a second Are the Oklahoma City Thunder all the way back to being who everybody thought they were and are the nuggets gonna be able to figure

This out like normally Joker learned you and then gets better against you here They were better in the first game than they were in a second game Is the third game gonna resort back to what we normally see out of the Joker or? Was this just kind of water finding its level in this particular series? It feels like Denver sometimes does like the every other thing like you wonder if with 86 points after the first half There was rest this world there was a little bit of like okay maybe not not tonight because even you know you look at that Clippers series that was damn near in every other game situation for Denver as well so maybe not too sure about it but you know

just like with the Celtics when you miss all those shots like the Thunder you know game one you're gonna come back with the electric performance But I would I would expect Yoke Hitch to respond pretty mightily at home in in Denver I think they play tomorrow or Saturday. I have faith in the Denver Nuggets. I have faith in Denver Nuggets I have faith in Joker, but I also love that. Okay. See just woke up. They're fun to watch Yeah, they are very and they're young. Yeah, great in their fun and their fans are woke up. They're fun to watch. Yeah, they are very, and they're young. Yeah, great. And they're fun and their fans are magnificent. I mean the Oklahoma City fans are great and it's like this Cleveland Cavaliers team, are they gonna wake up? All year they've been the team that Oklahoma City Cleveland. Yes. That

has been the conversation. Like not enough conversation is about these two teams because they are the two teams. Now obviously with Cavs being down 2-0, it's like when the Cavs wake up and become what they were all season? Or, with the injuries that they have happening, is it too much? It's like, Oklahoma City woke up, is this who they're gonna be now

for the rest of the time against this Nuggets team? It's like, the Association's throwing, they're throwing some heat right now. Like, legitimately, they got some stars showing up, and they got some storylines developing very quickly here in front of us. What's funny is the Celtics are down 2-0, Cavs are down 2-0 Oklahoma City's 1-1 the favorites to win the finals are still OKC, Boston, Cleveland

Those are those are top three to win the finals still Pages plus 13 huns, huh? That's tasty. Good odds for Indy. Now I may or may not have talked to Tyrese Okay, since game two dub Obviously gave tons of flowers I have to what a cool moment. Yeah, like that had to feel so cool Yeah, numerous there's a couple of these now happening for you where it had to feel like all your now I hope his dad, you know, like I hope his dad enjoyed the hell out of them or wherever he was

I hope his dad was in so, you know, comfy. I hope his dad enjoyed the hell out of them or wherever he was. I hope his dad was in some, you know. I hope his dad was doing his dad's thing. I doubt he was on a couch. I assume he was somewhere. There was energy and he was going crazy. I just assume from what we know about Tyrese's dad, I hope he enjoyed all of this, but also it's just game two. Yeah.

Yeah. These games, seven series sports, like legit. Oh, yeah. You can have this moment today and then shit tomorrow and nobody will even remember game two. It's just like the Pacers season last year. They get all the way to the Eastern Conference Finals. They lose 4-0 to the Boston Celtics. They should have won three out of four of those games. They should not have made it to the Eastern Conference Finals. They traded for Pascoe Siacca middle of the the season Nobody's talking about the Pacers doing anything. They lose 4-0 to the Boston Celtics Nobody was allowed to talk about it. Yeah, nobody was on talk about it being successful So I just sent a little reminder about how everybody still thinks you're shit, you know, and it's just two games, brother We got to win two more just for this series. Then we got another series. Then we got another series It's like what a magical moment how awesome it is. And I think they going through what they experienced with the Celtics last year, going through everything they experienced, I think they feel like or look like a more mature team as well. Like a more experienced team obviously because they've been through the

experiences. Yeah and that's what happened with the Celtics you know for them to win a championship. They went to the Eastern Conference finals. They lost in seven game series they lost in the finals to Steph and then eventually you know they go on and win it last year but that is why you know the Pacers experience is daunting for all the rest of these teams not just the Celtics because they've been there but the Knicks you know the Knicks Bruce said they haven't been to the Eastern Conference Finals since 2000 and all those guys have played in big games on that team but still it's a it's a different level But to what you're saying is exactly right like hey, they're up to oh and that's sweet now

The the pressure is kind of flipped like as a Celtics fan I feel better now than I did before just because of the conversation like now the conversation for game two before game two Yes, like now the conversation isn't you know? The the Celtics are gonna sweep this team And if they don't sweep them if they win four one, it's terrible now It's like hey the the Knicks have to win this like the Celtics they're done. They probably can't win There's still even odds but now the story will be at the end of this series. Hey the Knicks blew it same with the Pacers Hey the Pacers blew it versus you know, the Cavs and Celtics coming back and winning it. So it is nice, but the seven game series are diesel. And that's the difference

between hockey too, because hockey after a seven game series, guess what? The other team that just lost, they're releasing their injury report and half their guys had, you know, broken limbs and collapsed lungs in basketball. If you lose a seven game series, they don't care if you got a bruised wrist or you know a rolled ankle like they're just Going to talk about how you lost in seven and then you're on to the next series and that's why it's only the second round You know, it's even crazier thinking about that because it's only gonna get better now And that's why the NBA second round on it really is, you know primetime entertain best of seven series is are tough yeah, normally the better team is gonna find its way to getting to the win and

At any moment you're still in it people have come back from being down 3o People have been able to come back whenever it looked like they've just gotten killed and then there's also just been so yeah Hey, literally anything can happen here. Go ahead time well, that's why the the NBA is so much better in the postseason because I feel like as like the NBA is so much better in the postseason because I feel like as like If you don't watch a ton of regular season basketball like those Celtics being up by 20 on the Knicks like in the regular season that balloons and they end up winning by 35 points a lot of the time like now that's not the case. It's like, okay I'll check back in six minutes and boom the Knicks went on an 11-0 run and like we got a game again

joining us now ladies and gentlemen re Establish a connection 13-year NBA Quinn Richardson Rich sorry, that's probably on us. Maybe on you who knows it's on technology nonetheless We're talking about how all these series best of seven the series is are insane because Tyrese Halliburton Just had a massive moment Matt. He's had a couple of these now just had a massive moment But if the Cavaliers come back and win the series, nobody's going to talk about it ever again. It is such like a, hey, you can celebrate this tonight, but we got to move on tomorrow type league, I think, especially in the playoffs, Q-Rich. Yeah, you know, the news cycle moving fast,

Pat. There's so much information out there. So it goes quick. And like you said, everything that Halliburton has done right now, they're not able to finish this series off and complete you right they may not talk about it much you may get played here there but as far as like the overall credit for it you may not get it but like that's why you got to finish out the whole thing and that's what makes the seven game series so interesting because even if you up the team is down they're not completely out of it you know saying you can fight and come back and do different things and if it is a game seven everybody know That's the those are best two words in sports right there. So any anything happens in that game?

Yeah, Super Bowl for sure best two and then you know game seven nonetheless. I understand what you say Resemba Resemba, okay I'm listening. Yeah, I hear you. Let's go to the West There's obviously a massive storyline developing last question here Q and we appreciate you getting back on go ahead tone Yeah, Q warriors obviously get game one against the T Wolves But they got to give up Steph because of that Steph with a I believe they're saying a grade one Hammy for him. He's definitely not playing in game two. They're not sure when he will be back You know the other guys body-he, Jimmy Butler, they all dream on.

They all stepped up in game one. Do you think the Warriors can still get this series if Steph does not come back? But I assume they're probably, if without Steph, they're not getting the championship though. Yeah, I'm nervous right now, man, because the hamstring, I knew exactly what he did as soon as he did it. And how he held it, how he tried to go and then he saw that he couldstring I knew exactly what he did as soon as he did it And how he held it how he tried to go and then he saw that he could I knew exactly what he did So for me, I mean, I don't want to say that the Warriors can't win this series But they shouldn't like the like Minnesota is a better team and now with Steph being out It's not even a question

So if Minnesota and Antman is who they want it who they are who they say they are It shouldn't be it shouldn't be a question. They should win this series I don't know how many games it should take them But I mean even in game one they lost that game because they just shot the ball Unbelievably bad turn the ball all over crazy They didn't look like themselves, but I don't see the Warriors being able to pull this off without having stuff I mean when they had stuff I had belief and I don't want to count Jimmy Buckets and Draymond and the rest of them guys out. But if we being real with ourselves, it shouldn't be likely like you know saying not to say that it can't happen

you got to play the game. But if Minnesota handles the business the way they supposed to and the way everybody should expect them to they should win this series. Let's talk about Batman being Jimmy Butler again, you know Yeah, you know there did a Batman Robin. Everybody say you're Batman. There's two Batmans here It's like Jimmy Butler has a chance now to lead a brand new Squad up there in Golden State excited to watch them especially play tonight at 830 on TNT Timberwolves are favored by ten and a half. Okay, so they're thinking the same thing that Q Rich is thinking.

We shall see how that ends up rolling. All right, last question. Who's gonna win the NBA title on this day? On this day, holy shite Thursday, on the eighth day of May. Who wins? I'm still rolling with the Celtics, man. I know they down.

Until they show me, until they get put out, I still think they're the most talented team. And they got the experience and they're defending champs until you knock them off on the road with them. All right. We appreciate the hell out of you for joining us. Thank you for calling us back through the technical difficulties. You crushed it per usual. Co-host of the Knuckleheads podcast podcast ESPN analyst ladies and gentlemen Quinn Richardson And now let's pivot to the NFL obviously some big news. How do we get here? What does it mean a man who's on vacation?

But will answer a call right before a golf trip ladies and gentlemen senior insider for NFL Network Ian Rappaport After golf I had a lesson today actually. Oh, we getting better or what? When you were texting me, no. I mean, everything is fine. The driver's going that way. And I'm allegedly fixing it, but it just means every shot I hit is horrible.

So it's whatever. Now you gotta aim left, brother. The way you fix that is you just aim left. If you got a slice and you're a righty, you just turn towards the trees on the left side and you let that son of a bitch play right back into where you need it to be. You just go ahead. I mean I'm aiming on the other hole man. That's embarrassing for how much you play. You know that's like what children deal with right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, me. The super slices. Don't play. Yeah every once in a while.

You are telling me. Yeah that's tough. Has it always been this way or just this year? Uh, middle of last year and I was like, it's fine, I'll work it out. And then I just started, people think I'm a good driver because they see where the balls land, but it's really cause I'm aiming like two holes away and the ball goes down the right side of the fairway. So end result is okay. Doesn't matter. Yeah. Brother, it doesn't, that, that end result is all we're looking for in golf. Yeah, that is literally the entire purpose of golf. No pictures on the score. So what do you do you aim way left? That thing ends up being 215 yards on the right side of the fairway 60 to 60 no way. Yeah, so you're hitting 30 without the slice. Yeah, you're losing distance if you're aiming that far Swing speed is like

105 I should be hitting it far instead. I hit it like all the way that way. I'm working on I know it's It's again folks people think I'm good little clubs. How do you so what is? Do you have you been fitted for your obviously you're fit at what type of club? Oh yeah, I got PXG's, they're awesome. Every other club is great. I am just crushing it. Got a spy by right here. That slice that you got just goes on and on and on.

And on and on and on. I'm gonna figure it out. One of these years I'll figure it out. Well, I think PXG has a bunch of things that like will cheat your slice for you. Like in there things that like a driver will put a little bit more weight in like that? Yeah, they'll have like a draw weight for you. Yeah, why don't you do that?

I'm trying to get the swing right. Oh, okay. You need to just accept who you are, brother. That's what you need to do. No, it's a lot more fun that way. I'm working again. Today I had a good hour session. I didn't fix anything, but I've identified some things Scotty Scheffler was on game day sitting right next to me and he's a good dog. Oh So good at golf and I got his tip I got his his tip basically soon as game day ended We're sitting the I didn't pause I guess I got his golf tip What's so funny, yeah relax see and you gave the face first, you know what I was talking about, you're really you're kind of excited

The Shelf was right next to me. Okay, Shelf was right next to me game day ends But there's like a 30 second awkward time where the cameras on something shows not over But it is kind of can't stand up and I'm like, I'm not letting him out of here without getting at least something. So I literally grabbed, I think I had a Sharpie, and I go, so I'm trying to do, and then boom, square this thing up, and then I'm rolling, he goes,

are we off? Don't do that, and I'm like, aren't I trying to square that, right, I'm trying to square that thing. No, don't ever do that again. He goes, just swing whatever is natural to you. Just whatever your natural swing is, just swing your natural swing. I was like, well, my natural swing is boom, because do that. And I'm like, well, then I'll slice it. He goes, no, then just change your footwork or wherever you're sitting. It's like, just do whatever is natural you Anytime you change what your natural swing is. It's not gonna be your best swing and I was like Scotty, it's genius. So I take that thing up his golf sim Basically, Scott. I told me just fucking put the club in my hand. Yeah, if I make contact this thing's gonna do what it's gonna end I'm looking like you I mean like three something things go away right obviously I'm like well I'll move my feet then I'll open his son. That's nothing about whiffing on it. It's like Scotty I think you think this is a lot easier than it is it but I think that is Scotty's mindset just I'm just swinging

But his swing is literally since he's a kid. They've been telling him. This is your your swing I don't think you fully understands that I'm an amateur well But also like this is why these guys who are like unbelievably talented struggle as coaches Cuz it's like can't you just do what I do and you're like, no, I can don't ever do that. Don't do that again Like what ain't I trying to I'm rolling over here. Don't ever do that again. Come on pocket. Okay. Thank you, Scotty Oh, let's talk football George Pickens is Dallas Cowboy Is this what Jerry Jones was referring to before the draft when he said I'm up, jumped in here, I got a little something going on, I'm thinking about to substantive trade or whatever it is, substantive, substantive,

substantive trades, maybe before the draft, maybe after the draft, shit I'm up next year, who knows, there's something coming, I'm cooking it. That is what he was talking about this entire time and when did the Steelers decide they were gonna move on from George Pickens you think and send him anywhere? Let alone to the Dallas Cowboys. All right first the Steelers part of it. So they They trade for DK MedCup obviously big trade kind of beef up their receiving core and you know if you look at it It's like teams rarely have like two great great receivers. It's hard, right? I mean the Bengals do but look at what it took for the Bengals to have those two and then pay both of them. Usually what teams do is they have one great one

another, young ones are complimentary because it's like to allocate that much resources, it's a challenge. You can do it, but it's a challenge. And so it seems the Steelers wanted to hang on to George Pickens. They wanted to keep George Pickens, but there was a price where it's like, all right, at some point this is worth it, right? Because if they weren't gonna pay him, which by trading him they made it clear, like they were not looking to pay this guy the extension price, then it's like if he leaves as a big-time free agent he's worth a third round pick compensatory. So they basically lock that in now and they trade them to the Cowboys who were looking since you're right, this was before the draft actually thought this was

going to get done before the draft. And like, I thought, cause usually teams want to do it for the draft picks. Then they make the draft picks and then like, that's your, that's your trade. Didn't get done for whatever reason. Cowboys weren't able to get a receiver. Like if Tetra Roe and McNeown was there at 12, maybe this trade wouldn't have happened. I think it probably wouldn't have.

But they didn't get the receiver they wanted. They make the trade, get a big receiver too. It's a gamble. It's a gamble. But big time, big time talent for the Cowboys. George is so good whenever he's playing. You know, it's just everything else. Are they able to get him to buy in?

New head coach, first time head coach now, in Dallas with him on the team. It's something you would have to monitor. We will as football fans. But if him and Dak get on the same page and he rolls down there as a Dallas Cowboy, which he might feel more comfortable as a Cowboy than as a Steeler,

it's like George Pickens has a chance to be mega star. Prime time George Pickens every week is what the Dallas Cowboys are. It's like there's a chance a chance to be mega star prime time George Pickens every week The Dallas Cowboys are it's like there's a chance GP becomes a mega star here more that this is agent So yeah, that's a chance. He gets paid a mega amount of money as well I mean the whole thing is a little bit funny because Jerry Jones went into the whole like I don't know Mike Parsons agent and that's like All right, like well pick Pickens got the same agent. I don't know, he's one of the, you know, most big time agents in the NFI.

I assume he'll figure it out eventually. Jerry, Jerry definitely knows who Muluget is. He's the guy that signed the Deshaun Watson 200 million guaranteed deal. He was probably very mad about that. Oh, yeah, I would assume. That's what Muluget does. That's what Muluget to football. And George Pickens has an opportunity here

to change the trajectory of his career and his life. If you have one great season on prime time, what, 10, 11 times? You have a chance to be with all. So I hope it works out for George. Hope it ends up working out for the Steelers there. Now, let's move to a couple other conversations that still need to be sorted.

Connor has a question for you. Yeah, actually, you mentioned the Bengals. They were T. Higgins and Jamar chase, but the other guy in that kind of trio that was talked about this offseason was Trey Hendrickson. Is there any update on that front? It feels like everything's gone quiet since we last heard from Trey about the entire situation and the lack of communication from the Bengals front office.

Yeah, so I think that everything going quiet was probably by design on all parties, right? Like he did the interview with you guys, which was really like very very good expansive. Thank you. Excellent journalism Yeah, I mean it was Well for the first time in the whole week journalism did not finish second finish first that interview There's numerous weeks ago journalism was nowhere. It It's just, you tried your best there. Sovereignty did its thing. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, yeah, we get it.

Journalism losing to sovereignty. We're past that. He just, he won't, sovereignty won't run to Preakness. So we got no Triple Crown. No Triple Crown. Which you gotta, Pat Ford did a good job of, you gotta change the calendar. You gotta give a little more time.

Let it breathe a little bit so you get the best horses in the best. Let sovereignty breathe. Let sovereignty breathe. Let sovereignty stud. Let sovereignty live a little after winning the Kentucky Derby. Instead of saying, hey, hope you're happy.

That's two hours. Get your ass ready. We got pre-gnappy coming up. You gotta go on vacation? He's a horse. Yes! He's supposed to run. Stun around a little bit. Make it run.

You're a derby champion. The old horses, I mean, they're rolling over in their... It's a modern generation. There's a lot more business opportunities nowadays than back in the 1920s. They're rolling over in their glue thinking about this right now. Oh, you're telling me totalism would have shown up if they would have... I die. They don't make them like they used to. The old generation was the greatest generation.

I understand they said Secretary was smoking cigs in between the races. I understand what you're saying. He was drinking beers before they ran. We have more analytics now. We have more fun now. We have more opportunity now. Let sovereignty live a little bit before you got to get back out there and win pre-k nasty in front of a bunch of drunk People in Baltimore they'll run across the top of Porta John

Yeah, they don't want to let sovereignty run drunk across the top of Porta John cuz just wanted to duck a derby Let sovereignty live. Okay, let him what journalism died. Yeah, so it's all good. Live I'm good. They know we don't anyways have ruined our great sport. Back when men were men and horses were horses. Now they're taking time off. It's ridiculous. It's sad. I don't like the rest. No.

It was ruining the NBA there for a little bit. It was. I like it when I have it though, just to be clear. Yeah, you're always having rest. We know. That's the good part. Yeah. Actually, you interrupt your rest to go do like

golf introductions and then, oh oh I need more rest let me send my kids into the woods for ten months yeah yeah we you love rest but speaking of us can we get the rest of story with Trey Hendrickson what's gonna happen yeah so I think that was by design that everything went quiet because usually when like he made his point I think it was received, very received. There has been some communication between the Bengals and Trey Hendricks since that interview, since the draft. There have been talks.

I think they picked a Chamar Stewart off the edge. I think he understands that. I think they want to do a deal. I would never rule out a trade because it's the NFL. As we learned yesterday, trades could happen literally at any moment including like I don't know 1 a.m. or whenever that trade was basically done. But I think they want to keep them. I think they're going to make moves toward they haven't yet. The bangles sometimes function maybe different, maybe a little slower than some organizations, but they do want to keep them and do a deal.

Got it. Okay, quick question here. We only have a couple seconds a couple minutes here tone has it for you Yeah, right before the draft another one of those names that could be traded could be cut Was Dallas Goddard coming out of the Eagles just came out that he restructured his deal. What was what went into all that? So they had a couple trade offers around the time of the draft or maybe during the draft and the Eagles they kind of do It right like I believe is they went to the Eagles, they kind of do it right. Like I believe is they went to him and they were kind of like, what would you think? And his decision was essentially go somewhere else

or take a little bit of a pay cut and keep the band back together. He chose to take a pay cut. I believe I think he went from 14 to 10. That's right, yeah, 14 to 10. And he can earn a little more incentives But he stays and he has a chance so he no extension which is a win for him Because he goes out and plays well stays on the field like he can then he probably cashes in again

But new deal not going anywhere until he keeps it together. Okay, Derek Carr, Jane Slater wrote a bunch of updates He found out his shoulder was hurt once he started working out again That's why it took so long. The Saints are trying to figure out what they want to do Derek Carr Contemplating surgery not that is a long tweet. Yeah long. I mean through it all what is the we have one minute literally What do you think the Derek Carr situation is they're all trying to figure it out still? I believe Derek Carr would like to not have surgery. I believe he would like to I believe Derek Carr would like to not have surgery. I believe he would like to Rehab get this thing right get back on the field for week one

Which my understanding is still at least a possibility, but there's been no like firm like he's not having surgery He's good to go or he is having surgery and if he has surgery, it's major Potentially not playing next season like that's what nobody wants So I believe he is doing what he can now to try to get back on the field of week one And we will see where it ends up Tyler Shuck Louisville star quarterback potentially started quarterback of the New Orleans Saints excited to see how they see him at the Derby Hey, that's cuz he's been working. Okay, like you need to start doing maybe give us a little bit more information Maybe break some news. Okay, geez Louise I'm trying i'm trying throw that hat in the fireplace Trying to get the what it's great

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SHITE Thursday because of what was going to happen in the sports world. We had no idea there was going to be some actual holy shit that is happening in the world today. New pope has been decided. Congrats to whoever the hell that is. Can't believe it. Love it. That Pope Mobile's got a new owner of the keys.

Okay. That 16 chapel now has a new boss. The priests all over the world have somebody else that's gonna be telling them what to do. And a dream has come true for somebody that has committed their life to the good word from the Lord. Hell yeah. Yeah.

Is that a good descriptor of what just happened? Yeah, I think so. I mean, we may, you don't know. We may have a completely different mass two weeks from now. Really? So this new Pope has a chance to go, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, Ip, sure communion right from the start. Yeah, we're leading off Let's get a let's go ahead get a little star get a little you know Let's have a happy hour start this entire thing a little bit. You know, do you want the body across? Hey? Yeah, you think they're gonna do that a little bit. Is there is there a chance? There's a chance

There's a chance that is what the Pope has the capability of doing Yeah, I don't think it happens a whole lot because mass has been pretty much mass, you know my entire life So but I'm I'm of the understanding the Pope can basically do whatever the hell he wants when it comes to the Catholic Church What if this particular Pope has had a bad knee for his entire life? And he's I'm about we too much. We're not doing anymore. We're not doing it. We'll do it one time Okay, we'll kneel for our Lord. We'll certainly we don't need it to be every Song and dance. The verbiage, they can change like the words.

Yeah, they better not. That's gonna be my one thing for the new pose. Oh, and may the Lord be with you. And also with you. That hasn't changed. But wait, yeah, exactly. Wait till, you know, it's been maybe three or four years since you've been to Mass and you go back at Christmas

or Easter or something like that and you don't know any of the goddamn words anymore Well, I know with the way we're talking like an asshole cuz you're trying to you know be it That guy hasn't been here forever. He doesn't know what so maybe the new pope though does want to expose the kind of Fugase Catholics that only come and go maybe Easter Christmas and then whenever they have to show maybe they maybe this new pope is your worst enemy Brother, maybe maybe changing everything that's fine by me. What are some of the things that would have been changed? Because I'm not a Catholic I know one of the things that I read was like, you know kind of reintroducing Latin

back into the mass a little bit cuz like a lot of Masses like a while back and like if you like- I don't like that the dollar is being kind of pushed out of some places. Exactly. And I don't like that the English language, the one that I understand is getting pushed out of this entire thing.

That's what's happening. We're all going to get more sophisticated and learn Latin maybe. That's how like, so like if, I don't know about Tim, it may have been like when he went to high school, like when my parents were in high school, like they, there were certain masses that were in all that still like in like the 70s you know so like that that has been a very popular thing but i think it's more uh it's more like bigger picture stuff

with like how the catholic church is going to operate like because typically the archdiocese like around the country and the world like they kind of dictate how the masses go and how they're going to operate. But like anytime there's, you know, these big time scandals and things like that, it's, hey, how's the pope going to respond to this? How are we going to get, you know, our marching orders for what we're supposed to do writ large? So we'll see. He may change the mass up. He may not do anything. The I paper is currently streaming live over there. Crowds have gathered to find out who's the P-O-P-E.

And I don't know what's going on. I don't know what the convos are. I don't really know this world much, but I know it's a big deal. White smoke out of smokestack today, when it wasn't expected for another few weeks. And people have come from Porto Galle all the way over to Rome to celebrate the hell out of the

Next poem there is a cardinal from New York in attendance I saw a tweet he had this morning and he basically said like I'm not gonna be able to talk to you guys for a long Time is he up for it? No wonder the Knicks are winning. It's horseshit. It's possible. It's possible So we do have some representation over there, which is nice But like you said, I mean everyone's kind of just waiting on bated breath to see who this guy's gonna be Yeah, I'm excited. Maybe change the Pope mobile, too So I believe the previous Pope after he died

He did give that Pope mobile away to can't remember who it was maybe in like his home country like a village or something So I think we are getting a brand new Pope mobile I'm sure they have a couple new Pope mobile new Pope plane I assume get a young one get like a Lambo and Just add a little layer to it Yeah, cuz it's hard to get in and out of those old books wouldn't be able to get in and out of exactly Gaines like get one of these young pups. It's like hey, let's make this thing sick man. I mean we go the other way Yeah, what about some American muscle? Yeah monster truck big foot bingo rebel ram could you imagine

well maybe a rebel ram truck 2500 we're not 2800 yet but maybe the pope puts his ass in it might be up there 2800 but yeah 2500 you're talking about the rebel ram truck could you imagine the Pope in his gown sure I don't know what regalia pay for robes excuse me okay you Have a little respect, please guys one Catholic school his whole life. Geez Louise Hey, God bless congrats to the Catholics a lot of Catholics. Obviously. I'm Irish and grew up in an Italian with the Catholics are all in you know, the Catholics are all in and they got a new boss and We can't wait to see who it is one half of the hammer done

Cowboys AP tone is here the talks table is here at boss Connor at Ty Schmidt joining us live from, Monadik in Ohio man Who is really kept an eye on this entire thing? He's college football national team with Super Bowl champion Ryder Cup winner ladies and gentlemen AJ Hawke AJ do you have a favorite for who's gonna pop up in that window as the next pope? I don't know if I have a favorite, but it did make me wonder when I watched you kind of show what it will look like when he steps on that balcony, you know, when you just pop up like, oh, I'm the new guy. Has any of these new popes ever been booed by the crowd? I would imagine it's universally celebrated when they first announced him. Yeah, you probably think you're going to hell you boo the next pope, right? Yeah, he's like definitely a baby face. You know how Rodge comes out with firefighters and a military and legends and kids and everything like that. I don't think the pope has to because he's coming

out with God, right? That's kind of what that is kind of what he's coming out with. Yeah, you probably have to go back to Joseph Ratzinger. He was a pope a couple of couple popes ago and people didn't love him when he got elected. But you know, that's that's kind of the name of the game. That's Ratzinger football. That's Joe Ratzinger. Yeah, what did he change anything? He had more wine to the shots or was it a did he do any of that type of stuff? Can we get bigger? Bodies houses bigger bodies. Okay. Oh, I think yeah bigger challenges Maybe like a like a Ritz cracker size. I'd be in for that. Be cool. Maybe peanut butter too

Yeah, well peanut butter honor. That's not a bad idea. I Mean what a thing do we know where Rogers is right now? He might have been in there He might be how do we know the concrete is that what that was? Is that what that really have we got any clarity? Is that a pope ring that he was wearing down there at the Kentucky dirt? Have you got any clarity from your friend Aaron Rodgers? I Have not I don't know if you guys saw or not. I froze up for a second I don't know if you guys did I have I have not had any communication with this situation I really did not I did see you freeze

if That might it must be on our side cuz Q rich was frozen as well in the first if this is gonna happen to you for The entire time we'll let you know But you just know that we can hear you clearly the entire time. This happens for me whenever I'm at Raw, you know, there'll be like a glitch, a frozen screen, I can't see anything, but you guys can hear everything I'm saying, so then I have to like, then I'm wondering, am I on air right now? Am I not on? Do I look stupid? Do I sound stupid? We'll let you know if we can't hear you. Visually though, it appears today

you're probably gonna be frozen a couple different times. Make sure you don't look stupid, AJ. Oh, don't get caught there. You know any of those. Don't be doing any of that. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who is an Emmy winner. Never forget, never forget this man is an Emmy winner.

Nope. Was a part of changing the course of morning television for everybody, not just in the sports world. Now works for ESPN. He's an insider, he's an analyst, he's a pundit, he's a friend, he's a networker. Ladies and gentlemen, from the Draft Spectacular, Peter Schragger.

Yay! Yeah! How you doing, man? I'm good. I am amazed at the lack of insider prowess, journalism on the Pope beat. Like, how does nobody have anything? There are millions of people looking for this answer.

There's not a single insider who devotes their time to being like, I got the answer, I'm gonna break it. I'm watching on my timeline, everyone just throwing out names and Pietro Parolin, big favorite. He's a big dog. Luis Antonio Tagel, got a big fan base. Matteo Zuppi.

Oh, Zuppi's a dog they said. Zuppi ain't dead. I'll tell you this, I'll tell you this, I've been texting with Mel Kuyper, we both have Chador number one If Chador was the Pope, I think we would all be non surprised I appreciate you doing a little research on who's gonna be in the Pope because I don't think that is you know necessarily in your world there the um the thought of Those hundred and thirty three voters not being leakers, you, insiders only work if there's a leaker.

And I think there's probably some passage in there somewhere and that's a big book, the Bible. Somewhere you do not tell insiders anything. I think that's probably pretty, they send smoke signals, brother, let alone texts and things like that. Although I did see- You would think one of these guys,

who's up for it, one of them has an agent who's also in cahoots with one of the reporters and is just feeding them info. You would think at least one... An agent. ...has a good agent who's like, I'm going to put this out there, kind of test the waters. Nothing! Nada! So you...

Nothing! You presenting the idea that one of these cardinals has an agent is so funny to think of, because what if there's battling of agents You never know There's only one insider in this business and that's Jesus and Nazareth, baby No doubt you think he knows he knew right? Oh, yeah, he's either one that makes a decision What are they doing? So so whenever they're in there, they're all like how's it? How's it? They're looking for some votes, right? Don't they take votes and get the trades? I assume. I assume Shregs knows Yeah, it's a five on five pickup game. Whoever's got the most points. Have you seen those?

Yeah, have you seen those monks play? Oh, yeah ball monks can hoop monks can really hoop I assume these younger popes got game a little bit out of doubt. All right, let's play. Let's check So who's your favorite? It sounded like you were reading off the favorites who were they? Paralyn's everyone's pick but I'm you what, I'm looking at Peter Urdo. He's kind of like a lower ranked guy right now. Not about, I'm a big Urdo fan, so I'm going Peter Urdo. Okay, good luck to Peter Urdo and all. High ceiling.

Yeah. High ceiling. No where near what he could be. Yeah, huge upside. All right, let's talk about huge upside. We just, they just opened the curtains. Ladies and gentlemen, we have the answer. We have the answer. Let's go

It's the one with the red hat is that who it is Let's hear that No audio. Okay. Is that the new pope? The one in the middle? I thought no. I thought he had a bigger.

They're announcing his name. A bigger hat. Yeah. I think they're going to look at that microphone. The guys hold on the left. It's like a Bob Barker, Bryce's right microphone. But like, yeah, here we go. And now, standing at 5.7.

We have some audio. Eminentissimum, we need to go. Dominum, Robertum Franciscum, Sancte Romana Ecclesiae, Cardinalum Prebostum. He's from Boston? Primo, Boston. We see the name imposed on him, Lionum Decemum Quartum.

and imposed the name of the 14th. Here we go! Here it comes! Oh there it is! There's the window, I assume. Oh shit! Zoom in, iPaper! Shout out to the iPaper on YouTube, you should follow along for everything we could possibly need. They're setting up flags up there it appears. Celebratory. What if it comes out double guns? Is it going to happen right now?

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video trying to get that younger demo. Got people climbing statues. I still think Rogers is coming out. I still think it. They all look like they're ball fans. They know. Do they boo if it's an American pulp? That's what we talked about earlier.

Like has there ever been a boo? Look at that. What a setup. All the boys up there. That's what they're saying right there. They're going to set up all the boys. Next time we should be up there. That's what they're saying right there Gonna set up all the boys next time we should be up there. Yeah So they're just priests these guys. Yeah, these guys are just running the mill priests, correct? I've guys up there are cardinals who used to be priests. Yeah, they have elevated in the church. Okay

So there's been 266 popes I guess This could potentially be the first American pope of all time. History. Don't hold your breath. Everybody on the internet is saying, I even have a name. I just had a name dropped. Mr. Prevost. Don't tip fix. Do not tip fix. When's he coming out? Will they do a USA chant when he walks out or not? When's he coming out? Will they do a USA chant when he walks out or not? Oh yeah.

I'm going to lose my mind if this guy's American. That will be hard. He better come out of the Bulls intro. Yeah, legit. He comes out the Cotton Eye Joe. When's this going to happen? They really take their time. I forgot about the Catholics.

They take their time. Build suspense. That's what they do. Is it breaking? Yeah, I know, it's real. Ladies and gentlemen, for the first time in the history of Catholicism, I believe what we are waiting on right now is for an American lad to walk out to a window and say, it's me, I'm your next P-O-P-E. Congrats to Mr. Preva.

That is correct. Post-preva. Go! Wow! We did it! USA! USA! USA!

USA! Hey, he went in there with Moxie, we knew he had it. We knew he had it. We knew he had the ability to walk into a room and turn everybody into his favor. We knew we had the ability to walk into a room and turn everybody into his favor We knew he had the experience to say listen. I've been doing this Catholicism in Chicago for a long long time I've been able to reach everybody that I've ever been able to speak to I love the book that we're reading the Bible is the greatest But let me talk about our kind of rituals a little bit. I got some ideas. I got a little flavor

I got a little spunk. I got a little fun in this entire thing I'm from the United States of America. And yes, sometimes we ruin stuff, but also we make things better first time 266 popes we got an American in that's crazy red white smoke in blue I love everything about what's going on over there time I don't know anything about Catholicism other than the fact that Jesus Christ is the one Not first is and you guys are in a lot of hardwood in there. A lot of hardwood. A lot of big stained glass windows. Okay, we're pretty committed, I believe very committed into the Catholic religion.

You know, very committed. An American guy, what does this mean? Is this a big deal or not? Oh yeah, it's a massive deal. So Notre Dame is going to win the national championship or what? Yeah, I would say tomorrow their odds should, you know, skyrocket up there. I just assumed that in my lifetime and probably in my kids lifetime and maybe even in their kids lifetime that we would never see a pope from the United States. It's just not the way it works.

Look at us. USA, Shregs. I didn't know this was happening until this morning and now I'm super pumped. We win again. And he's from Chicago. Huge long shot. Not on anyone's board. Um out of Chicago, went to Villanova. Okay. And then was that Catholic Theological Union, the Pontification University of St. Thomas Aquinas. By way, uh, 69 years old. I'm into this guy. This is Robert Francis Prevost. I'm into him. I like this guy. Hey, 69. He's still got a good 20 from the previous pumps. He's got maybe 40, 50 more years. Yeah. All right. Congratulations.

Good pick. Good pick over there. Cardinals got it right. What's he gonna do in his first 100 days now? Yeah. What's his first 100 days? We need to lay it out. We want to see it. I'm sure he's ready.

Villanova guy. So is he gonna go, you know, do something for the Wildcats? You got to want to. He played for Jay Wright. Maybe drop the puck. He played for Jay Wright. Yeah. Yeah. Smacks the the wood. I mean he's not scared to do that. Okay let's talk about football obviously I think we've done enough Pope Talk for probably a year. Yeah. We did it. I can't wait. We got some good singers in there.

Pope Leo. Look at you don't tip the pick that was hysterical. Okay let's get to speaking of pick, Pickins. George Pickins is now a member of the Dallas Cowboys. Now there was a obviously a couple different thoughts when our DK Metcalf gets paid $30 million a year annually as a wide receiver for the Pittsburgh Steelers without ever playing a snap for them. That is so out of the ordinary for the Pittsburgh Steelers to do that. But they want to make a run they want to make a splash they need another weapon yada yada yada. A lot of Steelers fans like all right now We got two wide receivers. We've always needed two wide receivers Then some people were like well how's DK and George Pickens throughout an entire season gonna be able to coexist two number ones in There it now I know CDs number one as well But you know how will that be able to go now we find out that they're moving on from George Pickens because there's a potential You know obviously contract conversation There's also looking ahead at the next draft potential conversation Like how do you think we got to this point of George Pickens getting moved from the Pittsburgh Steelers Schrager from your standpoint?

Yeah, look so I've done a lot of work on this the last 24 hours and it's like George Pickens runs hot and you see it on Sundays when he's throwing his helmet and he's cut he's having Meltdowns and crash outs on the sidelines, all that stuff. But I know this sounds like I'm buttering up to the player and I've gotten a lot of that when I say this, like he wasn't a disliked player in that building. Now he was late for certain things and there was issues on game day on Sunday with him getting frustrated with the quarterback play and wanting the ball. But to a man, everyone in Pittsburgh was like, shows up, like he works hard, he blocks his ass off, and he can still play. The truth of the matter was, they weren't going to pay him the big money that he was going to be due at the end of this season.

And they figured they could move on now. They did pay the money to DK Metcalf. They're moving on. They like Roman Wilson. They like Calvin Austin. They like the wide receiver room they have. They also like an offense that has Pat Fre Fryermuth and what they can do up there. So there are so many question marks in Pittsburgh. This one seemed odd when you look at the fantasy football stats or you look at, okay, well they at least had the strength of these two number one and one A wide receivers. But from a Steelers standpoint, move on now, pick up a third round pick. You're probably going to get a bunch of compensatory picks and free agency this coming year, based on what left the building.

And now you're loading up for the next draft and George Pickens, is he an all time stealer? No, but he's had some cool moments and they'll move on. And if he goes on and it's one of the best wide receivers in football, I don't think the Steelers are going to be crying about it. It didn't work out in his three years here. They move on from that standpoint. I think Pittsburgh's fine with it, but I don't think this is one of those things where like, he was a total diva and we couldn't stand him

and Tomlin couldn't coach him. I didn't get that read talking to the Steelers people. Got it. It was like, we know who he is. We like him. We respect who he is. Fresh start will be good for all parties and we're not going to pay him.

We just paid DK 30 million, which could be them, you know, saying, this isn't what we want to sign up for. Dallas Cowboys feel like a great place to potentially Have George Pickens become a megastar in the NFL especially with how many times he's on Primetime and we've seen how great he can be and you're talking about his blocking. Yeah, he bodies people now There's some plays where that doesn't happen But if he's able to take that next step you're talking superstar shoddy first-time head coach new head coach in Dallas brings in George Pickens What do you think expectations are now for the Cowboys? This is always going with

Super Bowl. Is that literally how we have to talk about the Cowboys? Well look, you have to bump it up now because this is basically a one-year deal for a player that you give up a third round pick which is a high quality pick and now you're saying this was the plan all along or this is what we had up our sleeves when we didn't draft a wide receiver at 12th overall and we didn't address that position. So here comes Pickens, who, as much as I just said, he could be a good teammate and he could block.

He's not a model citizen on the field on Sundays if he doesn't get the rock. Last year, CD Lamb got 73 more targets than the Cowboys' number two wide receiver. I would imagine he's gonna get a lot more targets than George Pickens. How is he gonna handle that? Which puts the onus not only on Pickens, puts the onus on Schottenheimer who for the last two months has been preaching

culture, culture, culture, we're culture. Holy shit. That's the American Pope first time ever. Shout out to Pope. Did I read something? He's going to go by Leo? Yeah, Pope Leo. Pope Leo? Great name. A lion. He's seen Titanic. He understands the Leo name. He's beautiful. OK.

Shout out to Pope Leo from America. First time in 266 movies. His moments getting to him. How could he not? Guy has emotions. Guy wears his heart on his? His paper rose. Oh, his paper rose.

I mean, this guy's ready to make the world better. OK. Let's get back to George Pickett. Sorry. that was literally the first shot there of him George no Are we okay with the Pope being so emotional? Do we want to see him work? You know? Guy I'm pretty bad. I mean tears on your first day Father lock in He's not have a parade you can have him in the back behind closed doors with his boys with his cardinals he's out there like a baby

He's grateful for the moment feel that way it's like serianni at the Super Bowl that lone big just coming down Yeah, yeah, that's hopefully oh, man. I feels like the moment might be too big for no. He goes didnni at the Super Bowl, that lone kid just coming down. Yeah, yeah. Like Pope Leo lip. That feels like the moment might be too big for him. No. He goes in and win that Super Bowl. I'm a little worried. All right. Thank you.

Thank you, Shrakes. What do you mean he's not ready for the moment? He's staring him down. He's staring him down crying like, oh shit. Think about how comfortable you got to be in your own skin, in your own. Yeah, faithful robes. Think about how comfortable you got to be to cry. I'm getting texts from the other Pope's candidates. They're not, they're not.

They're not. Okay. Look at him, he's crying up there. Okay. I got, I wish I had the best of them. All right. Day one. All right.

Reach, bit of a reach. George Pickens. Bit of a reach. George Pickens has a chance to elevate that team down there though. We all know that. We all respect that. We all kind of expect that I think. It's just like Shottie has been in this league for a long time. He's talking culture and like there's all eyes on this guy. I gotta go back to the way they hired him. So unorthodox.

Mike McCarthy's contract runs out and they didn't do the full search. They didn't sit down with Ben Johnson. They didn't sit down with Cliff Kingsbury. They didn't sit down with all these different guys. They did a very limited search and it was basically like on Friday at six o'clock we're hiring Brian Schottenheimer who's been here the last few years whether you like it or not and that's kind of how it's done and like trust us we got this. Well now you've got Dak making 60 million coming off an injury and you've got of course a bunch of question marks with Zack Martin no longer on the team being the leader in the offensive line room. So there's all these question marks and I think George Pickens is a piece to this. But at the end of the day, it's gonna be Shottie and it's gonna be Dak and whether they can get it done when it matters.

Okay, I'm excited for Shottie figured out. Go ahead, AJ. Shregs, do you have any idea how long they've been shopping this? Like how long this has been going on? We've heard Jerry make comments in the past. They were working on some big things before and during the draft. And also second part, do you know how George Pickens feels at all about this? Was he okay moving on?

Was he okay getting moved? I don't know. And I wouldn't know it from the player perspective at this moment, but I think from what I've gathered hearing around the league that like Dallas has opened arms in a wide way and are really happy to have them. Now, is this what the trade was? I think so.

The fact that T-Mac went eighth overall, Teta Royal Macmillan to Carolina, they weren't going to reach on Matthew Goldin. They weren't going to reach on Ibuka just to get a wide receiver. So instead they took Booker, the offensive lineman who's going to play center for them and is an absolute dog. And then they said, okay, we'll address this here. But the story I got was this was going on before the draft. It kind of cooled off and then late on Tuesday night.

Uh, that's when the calls really started coming in and they put this thing to bed. That's why CD lamb had that tweet. Like it was kind of known that something was happening late Tuesday night and it was announced Wednesday morning. And I think George unfollowed the Steelers on some social media platforms, which is 2025 indicator of like, yup, something's about to happen. So good luck to George down there in Dallas. Let's talk about the draft a little bit

because you are the draft guy. You were great with us. We're so incredibly thankful that you joined us on draft night. AP Tone has a question for you. Yeah, Shregs, this almost happened before and at the draft. I believe the rumors,

Seals were looking for a day two pick for George at the draft. Is there any other stories that, or guys or things that we need to look at that almost happened at the draft that could potentially happen the rest of this summer? Yeah, I'm still looking at a couple names like, you know, Kirk Cousins, his name was coming up throughout the draft and seeing if Pittsburgh doesn't get Aaron Rodgers. Is

that the move? I think Cousins is still a viable trade target as much as they want to talk out of both sides of their mouth in Atlanta. Facts of the matter is you're paying him a wild amount of money to be a backup quarterback right now and he is still a viable starting quarterback. If there is a seat on the carousel that's open, it is Pittsburgh. So I would keep an eye on that one. It's out of conference. You have a relationship between Arthur Smith, the former head coach of the Atlanta Falcons and the Pittsburgh Steelers.

And of course, Raheem Morris and Mike Tomlin are as thick as thieves and have been so since their days in Tampa Bay together. So to me, that is a possible one I would watch if Rogers doesn't put out the smoke of himself and says, Hey, here's where I'm coming in. This is my opportunity to get in there. It was you have an announcement. Hey, do you have an announcement? Is that happening next?

That's a good question. That'd be sweet. Wouldn't it? I mean, that wouldn't make sense though. If Aaron put out like, uh, you know, black and gold smoke, right? If he decides to go to the Steelers obviously, the background music is all you really all he needs to do is post just a picture of himself down on the beach with that that towel or robe around him, whatever it was with his

thing and then just, yeah, maybe a cigarette, then just munching a perogie. Okay, maybe, maybe I don't know if that's part of his diet. But I do maybe maybe sandwich, nutrient or may sandwich, maybe a perogative Nutri-grain bars over your books. No, I just say new nutrition is maybe oh, yeah Who knows you're trading maybe is in a pro? You maybe said I need to toughen back up a little bit eat some eat some good taste and stuff and all he needs to have is just

Everybody would get it. Yeah, everybody would understand drinking for my life from the love, love of the love. Everybody would get it. Yeah. Everybody would understand. I've seen some people say that he's, the timing on which he's gonna sign, the timing on which he's gonna sign. I think he told us pretty clearly like, I didn't wanna commit to OTAs.

I didn't wanna commit to a team and then not be able to show up at OTAs. I have a lot of stuff going on in my personal life. And I guess it's more of a question for AJ, but Shregs, you probably got a chance to talk to some people behind the scenes as well. There's an expectation after OTAs end. I assume that this is probably when everything

is gonna happen with Air Rogers. And look, to his credit, and he was very transparent. I spoke to the Giants guys while that was all going on, and he was very complimentary of Brian Dable on your show after the fact, because he said to them, he said the same thing to the Steelers, guys, if you are going to operate on your timetable, that's not my timetable, please move on.

So he was very upfront, all these people saying like, we're waiting on Rodgers, these teams have been given the choice to wait on Rodgers. Now the Giants, they pivoted, they signed Jameis, then they signed Russ, and then they drafted Jackson Darts. And they were trying to trade up to get Cam Ward we're learning now. No doubt. We saw the tape on that. The Steelers, however, they had a great meeting. It all went well. He told them the same exact thing. And the Steelers

decision was to go back into their facility and say, all right, we're willing to wait. So this is the price they're paying a little bit. But I do not think and AJ, you could tell me and Pat, of course, you guys all know that. I don't think there's this assumed handshake deal that, hey, don't worry, I'll get there. They would have announced it. They would have signed him. They would have done it.

I still think he's deliberating. And from what I gather, Pittsburgh knows no more now than they did at the draft or before the draft. AJ? Yes, Shregs, I would agree with you. I would assume that that is pretty accurate. OK, he was down at the derby with a member, doesn't know what the ring was on his hand,

but did get a chance to see how physically healthy he looked. He said he looked good, mentally looked good, he was happy, but figuring out what his future is, especially, and by the way, there's a lot of people that feel certain ways about Aaron and they always will, for whatever reason. Yeah, there was a reason a few years back that a lot of people probably still hold against him

and the way he operates and everything like that. But like, I think he's earned the right after 20 years to decide whether or not he wants to continue playing football or where he wants to play football and getting an opportunity to decide where you're gonna go and how it's gonna go for the first time in your entire career basically. It's like, I think he's earned that opportunity.

Now, it would be cool to know what he's doing though. Like, I think that would be cool for us. Without a doubt. But in his mind, he doesn't give a damn if we care. AJ, nothing? Like not even a little wink of the eye, nothing, huh? Blood moon coming up? Shrek, I tell you what, I don't think I know

what you guys think I might know about this situation. Yeah, that's two times now. Whenever we ask him about the wedding ring, the answer he gave on the show, we didn't get much clarity on that. There's times where you know AJ is lying and he does know, and then there's other times where he gives answers like, oh, I think he legitimately has no idea.

But speaking of ideas, you're the one who knows everything seemingly. Ty Schmidt has a question for you, Schrags, about the drafts host city. Yeah, Schrags, do you have any update on Jair Alexander? It seemed like before the drafts, it was kind of a foregone conclusion that the Packers were either gonna trade him or cut him.

And then as we've kind of progressed here, now they've reached some sort of resolution allegedly where maybe he's gonna come back, but whatever it is, there will be some sort of announcement on him in the coming weeks. Do you have any update on that whatsoever? I know you talked to Matt LaFleur over draft weekend.

Yeah. I had a lovely dinner with Matt LaFleur during draft week in Green Bay and I brought it up and I don't think he'd mind me saying this. They're like, we're actually in a good place with Jair. Obviously there was some stuff last year and the coin toss situation a couple of years back and all that stuff is all head scratching stuff that would drive a coach nuts when you're trying to run a discipline program. But from what I gather, this thing is in a lot better place than what was being presented in the media and that there is a place for Jair Alexander in Green Bay. And I think he and Jeff Haftley actually have had a great

relationship and it's a different breed and it's a different time. And I don't know exactly how it nets itself out. But like when he was being listed as that number one trade tar, I don't know exactly how it nets itself out but like when he was being listed as that number one trade target I don't think that was coming from Green Bay and if you know Goody at all he wasn't leaking that to anybody so that was a lot of outside noise I believe we'll see how it how it figures itself out though. You gave me a lot of information in one sentence about the coin toss situation whenever you're trying to run a disciplined operation and accountability driven operation and he got guys just making themselves captain because

he thinks you forgot where he was from on that he didn't know he just forgot i think made himself captain i would like to let you know and you can tell the floor this the next time and he probably has seen our reaction we thought that was one of the most legendary moves in history just naming yourself captain and then afterwards being you didn't like it now I loved it I abs now if it was on a team I was on it'd be like that's wild that you did that but just from outside looking in that's one of the boldest most hysterical things I've ever seen and then afterwards just being like I think he just forgot to make me you know he knows he knows from Charlotte yeah you should know like I'm from Charlotte

I'm supposed to be the captain here it's kind of how it works in the history of the NFL, which is a pretty accurate sentiment too. If you don't have main captains and you have a rotating captain, if you have a starter or a leader on a team in their hometown, normally kind of given the nod to kind of represent the team at the coin toss

and Jai you're just being like, yeah, I guess LaFleur just got caught up in some other things this week. You just forgot. I would add one more thing on the Packers. If I can, just from that conversation with the floor, Romeo Dobbs had a game where he didn't play last year because of disciplinary reasons and he really had a rough week and they decided to bench him suspended for the game, whatever it was officially listed, you know, with the Steelers trading pickings, there's

been a lot of rumors that Dobbs with his close relationship to Rogers Rogers, Rodgers used to always praise him when he was a rookie and say how great Romeo was doing. I'll hear it to tell you, LaFleur is like, Romeo Dobbs is great in our building. So I don't think one of those Steelers, those Packers Steelers is necessarily being shipped either just to make Rodgers happy, which has been an assumption online. I think the Packers are really happy with their young wide receiver group and they add Matthew Golden. It's like an NBA basketball team. They're thrilled with what they got. Okay, so let's pivot away from the Green Bay Packers and the Pittsburgh Steelers,

you just mentioned a couple of times there. Cleveland Browns have 45 quarterbacks. How's that whole thing going to work out? You just mentioned it about what was going on with the Giants. Let's talk about the Cleveland Browns. How's that going to look whenever season comes? How they plan on handling that? And what do you. Let's talk about the Cleveland Browns. How's that gonna look whenever season comes? How they plan on handling that? And what do you think it looks like for the Cleveland Browns going forward? You're dipping their toe into it now.

I don't think this was the plan necessarily when they laid it all out back in March, but Kenny Pickett, Joe Flacco, obviously, we've seen both of them now in their Browns uniform. Super Bowl champions, both of them. Super Bowl champions, both of them. And then you've got, one's got big hands, we saw the photos yesterday, the other one has a glove and that's fine.

The other, yeah, there it is. Then then you got Dylan Gabriel, who I thought has been very dismissed throughout this process after Shador was taken. They did draft Dylan Gabriel over Shador Sanders, objectively. They chose him in the same draft process. So to me right now, it is not every man for themselves. Snaps are going to be divided the way it should be in their head. But Matthew, sorry, Matthew, Kevin Stefanski, of course, has a plan. Tommy

Reese, the offensive corner. And then I look at Billy Musgrave. He's going to play a role too. You've got different people who have been down the road with a million different quarterback situations. But when I hear it's just an open competition, I think that's dismissing that they were very aggressive in getting Joe Flacco. They were quite aggressive in getting Kenny Pickett in a trade. And then they drafted Dylan Gabriel. Does Shador have a shot? Of course Shador has a shot.

Go and do what Russell Wilson did in 2012 when the late Trevars Jackson was there and then Matt Flynn was the big free agent signing. But he was so undeniable that Pete and John Schneider were like, we can't look at the rest of the team and say we're going to roll out with Matt Flynn or Trevarius Jackson. Russell Wilson is too good despite being a third round pick. If Shador does that, he's got a chance, but that's few and far between that a fifth round pick who's fourth on the depth chart is going to be able to do that out of the gates. So Shador Sanders obviously in the building as an opportunity. We're pulling for him everything he's been doing in Cleveland since getting drafted.

Very cool that of a starting quarterback. Did you see the guys suing a hundred million against the NFL because the damages watching Shador slide in a draft? I'd like to say I was pretty bummed out too but I don't know if this is gonna be a class action thing or just just a one or one-off or whatever the case is but Colorado Buffalo fans said that wasn't right and it affected me I'm suing the NFL all so all 31 owners are getting sued Roger cadet I assume is getting sued the general manager is gonna have to they're the ones that are finally making to say I guess yeah Hey coaches are in a room where it happens. I need front office to he if he gets 20 30 bucks from everybody

He's at a hundred million pretty quick, you know with how many people he's looking to sue That becoming the story of the draft Obviously warrants a respect to Chador because how popular he is how many people have followed his story and everything like that There's a lot of other stories you mentioned Dylan Gabriel not being talked about being drafted ahead of Shador Sanders nobody had him as a guy that was gonna get drafted ahead of Shador He was not being drafted ahead of anybody else What are some other draft stores you think now looking back on it here a couple weeks out that haven't really been chatted about? What is something Quinn you were seventh rounder? I mean, that's a wild thing that happened

What do you think some things that didn't get like mentioned enough out of the draft now that we're kind of past couple of things, San Francisco redoing their defensive line overnight, getting three great defensive linemen they're excited about. I've spoken with those guys in the last couple of weeks, and I feel like that's an underrated storyline. That San Francisco defensive front, whether it was Buckner or it was Armstead or it was Bosa or it was Javon Kinlaw for all those years, those guys up front, that kind of went to, went out wayward over the last, last season.

And then they went and they rebuilt and now Mikel Williams is who they took. I could tell you they were calling up to see it. Do we have to move up in the draft to get this guy? So they were thrilled with getting him, San Francisco getting back to defense, I think was the big storyline. And then, you know, I look at the way the draft fell and there were some picks that we praised and all this stuff in day three.

Like, Cam Scadabow is a household name and is a guy that Giants fans are going to absolutely love. And he is a piece of a Giants draft where they totally changed the narrative on how their fan base looks at their front office, how their fan base looks at that uniform in the matter of three days, by executing the Abdul Carter and Jackson Dart first round,

which is what they were hoping to do, and then getting Marcus Bowe, who is an awesome offensive lineman out of Purdue, as late as they did, and then getting household name like Scatabo, and then they got this kid Alexander from the Mac, who they're very excited about. Like, the Giants, they're the fourth team in the NFC, that's fine. But I would tell you that after the year they had with Hard Knocks

and with Saquon and Xavier McKinney and just how bad it was last year for Joe Shane and Co to get some blottets in New York and for the New York fans to be like kind of puffing their chest about the draft. That was a major, major deal in New York. Congrats. I know how hard that had to be. That hard knocks thing. And then it's not going the way it's going. It's like you can get dunked on by a little bit. I'm being in the biggest market. I mean, that is that a beast. And for Shane, whenever he calls the Titans,

the video that they released, he calls the Titans, ask them if they want to trade for the pick whenever they go on the clock. And I'm like laughing and being confident and comfortable. It's like, I'm happy they didn't take your joy, brother, because it could have gotten bad for him personally. It did. Yeah.

It did. And I'll tell you, you want to add a little something else? Like the night that the prank calls went down, Joe Shane's daughter goes to Ole Miss. There were all these people saying that Joe Shane's daughter leaked the number for Shador and she was getting stuff on social media. I mean, people can be really crappy sometimes.

So- Agreed. It's just like, you know, let me find out it wasn't Joe Shane's daughter. It was, it was there a grand apology for all the people online who were people reputable, people with check marks, people who we work with being like Joe Shane's daughter is involved, like just stupid stuff. And yet there's no apology. There's no feeling of remorse for that. It just the world moves on, but it's been a rough 12 months for Joe Shane in this market. And then for them now, the GM to be like, I did pretty good in the draft, right guys? And the fans being like, yeah, you did. I think it's a big moment.

How about there was so many prank calls that were kind of, you know, everybody obviously got caught up with the Shador one because that was being documented, filmed and followed so closely. And Olbrich's kid and Olbrich Fine and the Falcons and everything that took place like that they had so They talked about how many people had all those numbers. Yeah. Well, it's crazy I got a memo on Thursday Thursday forwarded to me with just a memo from the NFL and it was like here like so Teams they all got these numbers and like it can go into anyone's hands You know and it's the players numbers and they have given these phones and should or changed his number the

week of the draft and there was an alert like here's his new number for teams and that can get to anywhere. So I don't know how to fix it. I'm also, if I'm being honest, Pat, like I know people were crying on television the next day on Monday over this. Like I don't, I mean, Shador Sanders was at a party on Saturday night, you know, enjoying himself and was celebrating with friends. Like I, I'm not going to cry about it either.

I don't think it's the end of the world. There's a lot bigger things than someone getting pranked. I understand what you're saying. And I also think that all of this is good for Shador. You know, all of this is good for Shador. It'll continue to be part of the story. Hopefully the story ends with him being a Hall of Famer. I mean, there's opportunity.

Anybody that got drafted can be a Hall of Famer. Any, any round, any pick could end up being a Hall of Famer. Any round, any pick could end up being a Hall of Famer. Any round, any pick could be a massive bust. That is why the draft is so damn awesome. And I appreciate hearing that about Giants fans because if this doesn't work out, they'll say this guy's the worst. And if it does work out, it's like,

this is the best drafter of all time. It's a crazy business, man. It is a crazy business. That's why you being able to keep up with all of it for draft night for us was so special Legit, I can't such a blast dude. It was so good. I'm still smiling over it I had such a blast with you guys and I'll tell you Tonynig's like the two of us I could do that the rest of my career and I'll be a happy guy that was so

So fun and you guys were so gracious to me and to hang with you guys before and afterwards was a treat also I love you guys. Okay, we love you, too Yeah, dinner the night before hanging afterwards you crushed it Him not wanting to go to dinner the night before because you want to get a good night's rest I was so pumped for I'm like he's like a big day more super bowl more But you can't go to dinner at 730. I was there. I wanted to get yeah, absolutely And at the end of the night, I saw you like get Nancy like we got And then at the end of the night, I saw you like getting antsy like,

we gotta, I gotta get some sleep. I got early morning, and then we got to get to the sports center. Yeah, I gotta do this. How good was McCarthy's stories though? Oh my gosh, I could have stayed up till five in the morning talking to that dude. Agreed, I would have loved to hear him talk

about having George Pickens see you. I mean, that was pretty good options. Jimmy. That was pretty good options, right? I mean, we're a good spot there. I think Jer obviously calls the shots here and I don't sound like that do I? Yes you do. Okay last question from us for you and it's obviously about a team that you know a lot about. Doing something I think awesome because I love the state. Go ahead Connor. Yeah, Shrage why is McVeigh going to Maui

for mini camp just because he wants to get a new tan, kind of go check out Hawaii or what's the deal there? June 16th to the 19th, they're inviting their fans to come. They're going to be out there in Hawaii. They've done practices there before, but they're going to do minicamp out there. This is a market for them. They really look at that. I mean, it's the closest market to Hawaii and they look at it as one of these different

burgeoning markets. They're also big, oddly enough, in Australia. They have a huge audience that is like one of their affiliated teams that the Rams have a big place there. So they're looking overseas, they're looking globally. They are never scared to swing the stick and this is something new and cool. I could tell you they'll be having a good time out there for those three days out in Hawaii. I love the state of Hawaii.

I love the people that come from there. I love everything about that place. And Shoutous, Puka, you know, Nakua, obviously representing for the Rams and one of their biggest stars. I love that they do things for content and to change up the energy and change up the vibes. Like, hey, let's go to a fire department Alright, yeah, is that gonna be possible? Yeah, we'll figure it out. Let's go to a mansion. That'd be pretty sick

We gotta hang out here for what three days. We gotta be here for 14 hours a day We might as well be like a mansion right with a cool view. Yeah, let's go do that. Let's go to Maui Let's get back. I I like the way they think I like the way less things. I like the way Sean thinks I like them a lot They've got a really collaborative group there and we don't talk about like marketing people much. We're like, there's this woman, Kat Frederick, there's another woman, Joanna Hunter. They're always thinking way bigger.

So, you know, like they go to the con film festival in the summer representing the Rams. So the Rams have a presence at like con. Like they're always thinking about- Sounds like a free trip to cons. Yeah, yeah, sure does. Yeah, yeah, sure does. Yeah, we have reps from the ESPN at the Met Gala. I don't know if you heard about that. I free trip to cons. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we have reps

from the ESPN at the Met Gala. I don't know if you heard about that. I saw that. Yeah, saw that. But even at their games, if you see a game at SoFi, they've got a club on like the ground level that Bootsy Bellows club that they have that like at a home game, like I had I know the Vegas Raiders do it now too. But like, I hadn't seen that before. They're always sticking outside the box. They want to make this thing an experience. So shout out to the Rams. They do things a little different. I like that they do business, you know, cause a lot of these owners just do, yeah,

our business is the business that just makes us a hundred million dollars if we do nothing. So I like that they run actual business over there. And I think that'll pay off for him, you know, now assigning yourself, we got to have representation at cons and we got to have representation in Hawaii. I should go. Coachella right? Coachella I think on the stage, right? Backstage we got to have representation at cons and we gotta have representation in Hawaii

Coachella I think on the stage right backstage. We gotta have representation backstage Yeah, definitely yeah, there's a house I think there's a community All right, we push Allah, yeah, you're the man Trades That's that's good business move I we need you to be represented in Miami for a week or two. Yeah. Everywhere, right? Don't you think?

Art Basel or whatever they have down there, they got people like that. Basel, if you've ever been down there? Fashion Week. I have never, I don't know what it is, but I see guys dressed up in all kinds of costumes down there. Oh, I didn't know much about it.

So what is it? What do you mean? What is Art Basel? Is that what the NFL players just did? Art Basel, Art Basel. It's one of these things that these highfalutin's go to. I don't know. What is it? What are you talking about? I've heard the word Art Basel, Art Basel. I assume it's some kind of show where people come together and they dress up and they look at art and they wear art. Okay. You assume that's the case? Yeah, it is, I assume. Yeah, so have you seen photos of this you don't want to admit you know what art Basel is

down in Miami? Oh no, that's what I know it as, you know? Like in some kind of art situation where people get together and they come and they collaborate, I guess. I do appreciate, anytime I see somebody dressing outrageous, it's like, wow, that's the biggest event that day could possibly be.

Like the Met Gala stuff, some of those costumes. Andre 3000. Showed up as a piano. He had a piano on his back. That's amazing. take the bus to be like the Met Gala stuff some of those costumes Just Halloween, you know, like I don't know if they if they any of them celebrate Halloween I assume they do you know because whatever the case is but I see they give them like a subject clearly they give them like An idea a genre and they're like good luck out, and they're like, let's go to work. I'm putting a fucking piano on. It's like, how are you gonna do that? Somebody will figure that out. I don't know.

Somebody will figure that out. It's awesome, this photo's gonna be, what are you wearing today? Oh, a fucking piano. Baby grand. Do you see it? What's it look like? Congrats, everybody, I love that.

Have fun. Have fun. Fashion's awesome. Likeree Sallaberg was getting grossed a little bit about his fashion on a podcast I saw. And he was like, yeah, I like it. I think it looks good. Probably so. Some of his costumes, their outfits. He probably, he's probably dying to go back out. I bet, yeah, especially in the middle of playoffs, he's like, well, I'm never going to be able

to make it to our retire. Somebody's phone's of playoffs, he's like, well, I'm never gonna be able to make it till I retire. Some of these phones really, really- Yeah, it's like, where was his computer? Whoa. Sorry, that's my laptop again. This happens every time I unplug my headphones. He's so bummed out. I hate it.

I am disappointed. He's so bummed out. Who's he mad at? Himself. I'm mad at myself, I ruined the show now. No, you ruined it, yeah, right. We just had a phone ring other we had a pope Breaking news pope. They got a phone ring. There's people that were listening. That's

Podcast listeners later are gonna wonder what the hell's going on. We said a full moment Well, it's a spam call to they any figure that out. Yeah too many of that So if you accidentally give your number to somebody they catch catch ya, they trap ya, and it's like, oh, what's your number I can get for your, like you're checking into a room, they're like, what's your phone number? And they get it, you're dead. You say no to that, okay?

You're allowed to say no to that. They don't need it. Every hotel I'm checking into, these people are like, what's your phone number so we can reach you? It's like, yeah, just call the room. There's a thing, because once your phone number gets in there or anywhere that uh

Like one of these stores or restaurants or anything where they ask for your number if they just get it's massive database Everywhere you're getting texts and calls. That's spam likely thing is a good move, but it's also kind of annoying Like how's everybody have my number? Oh, it's bullshit. It is bullshit. That's what the first order of business I want this pope on, Publio. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's been trying to get everybody's phone number since the beginning of time. He's a survey master, a survey creator, a man who has been tasked with starting a brand new hockey club in the NHL.

He's also the owner of the Utah Jazz. He's 46. He's seven maybe years old, multi-billionaire, self-made, obviously alongside a great team, owner of the Jazz and the Mammoth. Ladies and gentlemen, Ryan Smith. Yeah! Tusks up, bro!

Tusks up, bro! Tusks up! Tusks up! Tusks up! Tusks up! Tusks up! Tusks up. Tusks up. Tusks up. Tusks up. Tusks up.

Oh wow. Yeah, those are tough. That's a good one. Yeah, I know in Utah too, you won't have to worry about people taking advantage of that because that would immediately be big beers. Yeah. Tusks up, big beers,

but maybe it could be big diet cokes. Tusks up. Glug, glug, glug. Like yeah, you know what I mean? Do it AJ. Come on Hawk. Yeah. Tusks up. Glug, glug, glug. You like that, you know what I mean? Do it AJ. Come on Hawk. Yeah. Tusks up.

There it is. There we go. Tusks up. Congratulations. I know this was not an easy process obviously trying to name a brand new brand, a brand new team, especially in a league like the NHL that has been around for so long with so many historic names.

I know this was something that was weighing on your mind a lot. How did we get here and how pumped were you for the release and reaction? Seemingly very possible, or very positive, I mean, from everybody. Yeah, like first of all, it's gonna be bad guys. It's been a bit, it's a crazy process right now,

especially with naming and branding and trademarks. Like there's, I don't know if it's Shopify that came out where everyone in the world decided to register a trademark, set up a site, but we went through the process, we decided we were going to let it loose to our fans and pretty much the whole world and, um, had almost a million votes and narrowed it down, narrowed it down. We had four different waves of voting. And then we got down to the final three and it just, it took off completely

different than we thought, but we committed from the beginning, whatever the fans shows we were going to go, we were going to roll with. And it was really cool how we landed the plane and it was like with the mammoth. It was like, it was like the Kentucky Derby, like the name started pulling away every single day of voting which was pretty sweet and obviously made it easy on us yeah obviously the logo and brand building is a vital piece of it and what you guys were able to create is filthy that is a nasty look all of the different alternate logos and alternate ideas

absolutely awesome I think we are press play on that real quick this video is it for yeah there it is, boom. All of the different ones are awesome. And you still have the Utah hockey club feel with that one with the state or the Utah or whatever, there, well that one right there. I think you did a great job with this. You guys have to be incredibly proud, legit.

Yeah, well shout out to the team, our people here, Doubleday Cartwright, they helped out. It was a pretty, it was pretty sweet process. And, you know, I think, I think everyone had a little different picture of what they wanted it to be in their heads, but everyone got together. There was a group of like eight of us and they kind of set that aside and we're cool with however, kind of everyone had a moment where they had to get on board. So it was a pretty cool creative process.

A lot of Easter eggs in that logo. A lot of Easter eggs. Obviously you can see mountains. You can see the state of Utah, I think, on the outside there. They kind of run through all the beautiful thing. That's a U, you see, for Utah. And then a tusk goes through it, obviously.

What else? Is there anything I'm missing? No, I think if you look at the state turn sideways and then the mountains are obviously You know if you look at all the new jazz jerseys I mean all four of our jerseys have the similar feel with the note and the mountains on it So that's a cool collab and then the blue actually carries over to the NBA team But they're also unique as well. So I think it's a pretty strong mark. It looks pretty dope on the jerseys.

Like it's pretty powerful. And then I think also the secondary marks where it's the U with the tus. And then obviously the tus up. This is something that just kind of crept in and we ended up with the domain. I mean, I think the, for the most part, I think there's probably close to 30,000 people have done that. Hey, that's the first time I've seen that. That works.

You're welcome. Especially if you turn on, I mean, you could have a dancing segment because I know you like to keep everything. I got a chance to watch your Utah Jazz team live with you. Thank you for reaching out. I'm so happy I went to that there was that was at about a 4% chance to be going to that whenever I got the invitation and then they said it came from you and then I googled you I was like wait a minute this

guy became a billionaire before he's a for he's American man this guy is a he's in his hometown he owns a team and I like, I should go meet this man. And what I learned quickly is like, you are trying to think of everything, and you are like trying to make things better, and you are, and that is kind of your business, I think, since the beginning, which is surveys, which got you into this, which is gonna lead

to a question from me about whenever you decided to make this an internet thing, make this an internet thing, we'll make this a poll thing. We, as people that live on the internet, said, buddy, you're gonna get the Utah McPenises or something. Like the internet is gonna bully you into doing something and the internet will force you to do it.

This conversation with Ryan Smith, owner of the Utah Jazz and the newly named Utah Mammies. Toss up, toss up, continues digitally. We'll be back here for a Feel Good Friday on ESPN. See you tomorrow. Okay, so whenever you said you had the ability to get a good name and the internet won't internet you, I think we didn't believe it.

Legitimately, I don't think we believed it. Yeah, you, I assume we weren't the only ones. How was the survey process, which you are a survey person, in the modern world that we're in with the name of a sports team, which can be hated on? Like people can hate names, like for sure people can hate us. Well, and like, so I think looking back, like you guys were right, like it was high risk,

high reward, or maybe even high risk, low reward for the way that you would go through it. Qualtrics was pretty money throughout this process because we did the digital polling, we would randomize, and then the real kind of moment of truth came when we went back to the NHL and were like, hey, we got to put some logos and brand identity towards this. And so we really created like four different fully built out brands, you know, and it was Outlaw and it was others and Mammoth. And then we started going around and the NHL was not having that we would go out and show

these to people. And then anything you came out with, people started registering the hashtags, the websites, like everyone started registering the trademarks on all this stuff, which got super like complicated. So it was really cool. We actually embedded all of the research into iPads. We had a home stretch of jazz hockey games for the first time ever in Utah that were 11 games back to back. So we swapped out every single night. And we ended up walking around and we would get thousands of people to come in and it was only a couple people with Google glasses

that actually leaked it. I mean, you got a plan for everything. But Mammoth, every night Mammoth started taking off. And it was growing at like 10% a night where people, it's almost like till they had to narrow it down and they had to really get opinionated about it. And they actually had to choose that it got real and then kind of everything fell into place where this is a

brand like being a hockey club we dropped hockey club off we actually built a brand but it's pretty vanilla and the fans ran with it they're the clubbers they're doing all this now we're giving them like a strong identity and they're going to be able to like you're seeing a tough stop. I imagine. Tongues out for the tusks. Look at that swag. That's a good looking hoodie. You rock that. It is a good looking hoodie. I mean, yeah, absolutely. I think, you know, it's a high quality product as well. I don't know if this is what's for sale or just what you sent me. And I appreciate all of the gifts. I also't know if this is what's for sale or just what you sent me. And I appreciate all of the gifts.

I also got a backpack. It's a lot. Yeah, there's the other, the other structure with just the mammoth on it. Yeah, just the mammoth logo. It's huge. Yeah, it's awesome. There's a lot of good merch.

But you think about all that shit. This guy's closet. Okay, so when you think about merch and all that stuff, this dude's got a closet. You know the, he's a billionaire, and obviously he's battling with this camera right now. It's going to follow him wherever he goes. He does not know that he is gonna follow you wherever you go You were a tech guy. You should know that that camera's gonna follow you you move. It'll come with you

He's got you know, the shoe closet. Oh, yeah LEDs under you know full foot log. It's a it's a it's a full There's a lot. There's a lot of worse vices than collecting shoes. It's pretty safe I agree any hoops every morning. Not a new dog. I did, I hooped this morning and it was, man. But I like- We got a little quick. I like that you have a young, fresh mindset on this.

How did the NHL feel about all this? How is the relationship with the NHL here now one year into this? I mean, look, that was yesterday. I mean, Batman came out, which is really cool that you came out and supported this. I mean look it's 56 weeks ago we didn't even have a team here and we said okay we're gonna build an arena that works for hockey which we've got the entire arena of innovation going on we're gonna we basically landed the team and received it like a second

child coming home being received by the first one. It actually came home by the jazz. Like our head coach of the jazz or they, they were taking like leadership roles and saying, Hey, come on in here, come work out in the facility behind us. Like there was a time last year where we had our hockey guys in there and our hoop guys at the same time. And it was just like a cool like kind of one team vibe.

And so this whole thing's been built out in a way that you're kind of going, okay, how does that happen? But even then, you don't know how it's going to go. There wasn't a lot of data that says, hey, you know what hockey is going to work in Utah. The closest data I got was Vegas. My wife's from Vegas, you know, it's kind of connected to us here. And if it took off there, I was like, okay, like there's something here.

And it was incredible, incredible year. We got a bunch of young studs. It's gonna be a good time. That's awesome. I'm happy to hear that, cause hockey is awesome. And I think having somebody like you who's so invested and also forward thinking in the league, in the conversations is good for all of sports. AJ has a question for you, Ryan.

Yeah, I'm talking about this with the Mammoth. What do you want the identity of this hockey team to be? That's like, we know it's a brand that you have built. It's awesome. Everything going on, like, what do you want this identity to be when people come to the games and they turn the TV on and watch what do you want them to see? Yeah so like one of the things that's crazy is like there's been a bunch of mammoths found all over

Utah and like as we started like pulling them up it was like okay what what are they like and you know Kesselring on our teams like six, seven, these things are as high as 14 feet tall. They go, you know, 25 miles an hour. We didn't want the Snuffleupagus logo, whatever. We wanted something that was strong and powerful and like people could see that. So we also like, you can see it's like United. It's one, it's not Mammoth, it's Mammoth. Like we are one group and you know, we're young. I mean, we're the only team in the league that's got two 50 point plus scores under the age of 22. We're growing it all together.

We're starting out and you know, we wanna be a force. And I think Utah's loud and Utah shows up. I mean, that's the one thing that everyone in the NHL saw was like, oh damn, like these guys show up. Yeah, it's the one thing that everyone in the NHL saw was like oh damn like these guys show up. Yeah it's something to do no offense but like that's the same thing here in Indianapolis it's like there's something to do and they like the product like I think that is obviously you have to like that you can't hate the thing if you hate the thing you won't show up for it but if you like the thing and it is something to do you know like let's go enjoy the hell out of this you're

going to do that on a regular basis. We chatted about this whenever we were there. You had how many consecutive sellouts with jazz? I forget what the it was like. Yeah, it was like 200 and something. Yeah, 200 and something at the time. And you were you were on air the next morning at 6 a.m. And you're like, no, I'm not going back.

Why? Who said that? Well, that's who you did. You were like, hey, I'll stay for the second half. We hung out all night. Oh, yeah, you're right. You're 100. Yeah, there was no plan to go into that thing. Yeah I had a blast even a little side little setup is unbelievable Dwayne Wade was there you remember? Yeah, you guys you guys were you guys were you had your tank tops on together Yeah, he looked much I will say sweet little more

MacGalla appropriate there. He looks so cool that thing was like form-fitting so jacked obviously at the time and he did in front of everybody remember he walked up to me we're on the court 200 and some sellouts places packed out uh during timeouts like you're just looking down at the court Dwayne Wade walks right over to me I don't think I ever met him before Dapap up, how you doing? Then takes his jacket off and he's got a tank top on. I'm like, holy shit, this guy's so attractive. I had no idea this was possible. He was cool. Everybody there was awesome.

Big J, I mean. Big J. Big J, what a dog. What a dog. Have we got him on skates? Have we got him on skates yet? I'd like to see. There's been very little skating.

Lowey Markkinen jumped on skates. That's pretty crazy watching our seven foot basketball. He's a Finnry market and jumped on skates. That's pretty crazy. Watching our seven foot basketball. He's a Finn. You know, on skates. It's pretty nuts. Like we were out there practicing and like I've got all the gear on because I'm like a 30 handicap skater that doesn't know how to stop. And Lowry comes out and like we take one turn and he falls down. And I'm just watching like our max player slide across the floor. Oh no. It's seven feet tall.

And I was like, he's like, don't worry. I'm up. And he's, he's got game. He grew up playing hockey. That's funny. Thinking the owner going max player right there. This is great idea, right? The story, the story just doesn't end well. For you.

On that one. Yeah, you look like a dumbass. Maybe the dumbest of all time. This guy took their max player. He's paying him a lot of money to play on wood. So yeah, get on a blade. Brings the team into the. Look at this.

He tells them, go ahead, go on out there. He does look smooth, though, and he looks comfortable. I'm trying. Standing at seven foot six on skates. Ladies and gentlemen, representing the Mammoth. Okay, speaking of being big and the Mammoth, and then we'll pivot to basketball, because obviously you're the owner of the Utah Jazz as well. Connor and Tone have an idea that they would like to pitch you.

I feel like we're having a good idea sesh right now. Is this a Mammoth idea sesh? now. Is this a mammoth idea session? Yeah, so we all right Connor. We thought of the tusks up that might be a one or two, you know Yeah, it'll be a scott. Yeah, you could even go forward like you're blowing a horn perhaps or I mean that would be yeah Oh, so tusks This will be different You know, I could see I could see if, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

You know, I could see, I could see at the games like when people are chugging like diet coke, it like comes out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're taking down that diet coke. Yeah. Yeah.

Caffeinated out of my mind. You drink it through, you drink it through big tusks that they buy at the concessions. Oh, you're selling big tusks. Oh my. With like a tusk holder in the chair. Yeah. Yes. Needs to be in the seat. You're doing renovations right now I need to be able to stick I need to be able to stick my big-ass tusk in there You know touch down

Tusk up we need all so all these ideas are gonna you know end up being kind of no I'm gonna write it down I've got it. We got a film here. We got end up being kind of no I'm gonna write it down I got it we got a film here we got a film here we're taking the minutes right now currently we're all taking the minutes but the boys have an idea that must happen especially with what's happening at a potential another stadium in the United States of America this is a Connor Tone digs idea yeah you need look Ryan this is kind of bottom line here this isn't like hey you should do this you need this okay intimidation factor through the roof you need four mammoth outside the front four because

you know you t a h obviously four letters in Utah for mammoth kind of outside the front of the arena so that when all the fans are walking in they're walking past the mammoth maybe the first ones 20 25 feet tall and then progressively they get lower so that you can kind of pat the mammoth on the way, and maybe it has some sort of slogan that you got. Family of mammoths. Tusses up maybe written on the side of them.

Yeah, the mamly, if you will. We didn't exactly come up with this idea on our own. We kind of stole this from the Buffalo Bills, their new stadium that they're creating. They have three bison outside of their stadium stadium and they're a little smaller, somewhere between 12 and 15 feet. We're thinking these mammoths, which are bigger than bison, need to be at least 25, 35 feet. Well, that's what you said was the 25 miles an hour, I think.

And how tall were you saying these things were, these mammoths? 14 feet. 14. Yeah, bumped out of, bumped out of the amateur numbers. We need, we need big old man. We need at least 20 foot mammoth out there. And we're all pushing for that just strictly because when these bison were announced

in front of the Buffalo Bills new stadium, everybody was jacked up. They said, holy hell, we're getting big ass bison out front of this thing. Then they released the sizing of it. And somehow, I don't think this is the case, it's higher than a basketball hoop. This is huge.

This thing is going to be gigantic. There's a lot of people that think this is the case. It's higher than a basketball hoop. This is huge. This thing is gonna be gigantic. There's a lot of people that think they're too small. These bison are gonna be too small. So the story behind this, animal out front people like. Big ass animal out front people love. Average size animal think people will be like, that's cool, could have been bigger, badder, better. But if they're finding mammoth too in Utah, you could actually get the real bones

Yeah Come out of that They were able to even to pull the DNA out of those Real mammoth Yeah, hang them from the roof like and put the mammoth on the not only on the roof Cut out a spot for that mammoth stand next to the ice Yeah, that's gonna be great like tiger from the tiger from LSU bevo Yeah, my the guy came out underneath the mammoth when they skated on the whole alive one. Oh dead one the mammoth when they skate it on the oh a live one oh dead one fake one live one it's probably a fake one no like a big track a real stage like the sharks

do it the shark take they come out the shark my sharks mom yeah that's a good idea but if you had the real good yeah so Connor the good news is we've got one mammoth set up yeah that we're gonna put out there. I'll be. I haven't gotten that far. We're still in the, I mean we're a day or two old. 30 feet. Hey you're a survey guy. Bringing the whole squad out probably hasn't been addressed. They have a family. Who's he talking about? The mammoth squad? Yeah. Bringing four mammoth out there. Like I mean we, we are a family-oriented team. The mamily, yeah.

Have you seen Ice Age? You can watch Ice Age for a little bit of research on the mammoth. Yeah, the sizing. Just know that the biggest one has to be 30, 40, 50 feet, because the last thing you need is 60 for fans showing up, 60 fans showing up saying, like, fuck, mammoth. I thought they were big. Yeah, but when they- Baby mammoth. But when they want a selfie in front like point five is not gonna work I'm gonna have to be across the street to get themselves in with the 40 footer. That's all

For baby mammoth is 10 feet. Yeah, that's the selfie Yeah, you might even want to set up a little background there because you know A lot of selfies are gonna happen behind the baby. know, we got maybe like a little a little Utah Whatever shrubbery sure shrubbery there cuz that's gonna be a lot of selfies around baby. Yeah, man We're talking selfie with the big mammoth yours. Look at the chest. I think yeah bingo I think it's just a chest and unless you do one of these like straight up and then you're getting maybe the bottom of the tusk You're getting tusks down and it's going tusk up but you're talking about pictures with the rest of the family the Mamley that's what we're talking about. We'll text you a picture of the bills. Yeah we'll draw this up.

Okay yeah yeah. We'll draw a GPT. I can't wait. That was the other thing about the designs like when we when we started the design process before people would just vote with their words now they're voting with like these drawings. That look like nothing. AI, all AI drawings. Like the amount of AI drawings that we saw, like someone would be like, oh, let's do an outlaw,

let's do a Wasatch and a mammoth all combined. And you have like an outlaw writing a mammoth like in detail that no hand could ever draw. And it's like, whoa, this was a whole nother thing no one saw coming throughout the voting process. In like five seconds to 30 seconds. Five seconds. It's like, oh, what are you talking about?

I got a question about that. Oh, here you go. It's like, what? I'm excited to see what you end up doing with AI, you. Yeah. Yeah, cause you're, the way your brain works, it feels like that is inevitable. We got a lot cooking we got a lot cooking. I could imagine that would make sense yeah we know we read about it didn't we time. Yeah we did yeah the

excel way I mean he basically Ryan you basically just said you want to get on the next phase of tech right it's like a billion dollar venture or something with you. Yeah so yeah so Ryan Sweeney is a partner of mine from Excel. He wrote a check to our startup Qualtrics in Utah 15 years ago. When everyone else in the Bay Area was only investing in the Bay Area, we went on a pretty epic run together. And then when my wife and I did the jazz, I called Sweeney and said, hey, I know you guys don't do anything in sports or tech only, but he's like, oh oh no, we'll come in personally.

So they came in and they've been great partners. And then, you know, as we're watching everything with AI and kind of this intersection of sports, to be honest with you, it's not like you have tech and then sports and then healthcare. It's all coming together right now. And, you know, whether you go to an event, there's tech people there's sports people and a lot of sports and Tech folks need to be activating together. And so we decided to create this fun called Halo and It's really around experience and you know betting on the next experiences and that involves everything So it's pretty cool. Congrats man. I assume it's gonna work

That's what I assume with you man. I just assume it's pretty cool. Congrats, man. I assume it's going to work. That's what I assume with you, man. I just assume it's going to work. I think it probably should. Like, I think he's, you know, he's one of the best tech investors on the planet. And normally when we get together, magic happens. Yeah, we told you. Yeah, there's there's a potential offer. Yeah, you know, there was investors.

Possibly. You know, there is a there's an option you know there's an opportunity there I think. We've done crazier things. Hell yeah. Okay all right yeah that would be crazy. That'd be so sweet. Could you imagine? It would be smart for you guys. I'll get Utah Mammoth tatted on my back. That you can't put a number on that but we will try we will certainly try one but you have to hurry yeah I'm just telling you though like what you just heard there you might think wow they're losing leverage now that cost them yeah yeah no that's for shoot that tattoo that loyal that loyalty to mammoth

that's right there's a possibility there and we'll be fans regardless yeah but I'll die with him yeah and you And you are a big mammoth outside the Thunderdome there. Yeah. And it can't be bigger than one you're putting outside your arena. Just remember that. So we already got what he makes graphics for us.

All right. D bone is not a mammoth. D bone. Hey, you do not deserve that. Oh wow. D bone. You're a good guy. D bone has been looking good.

Yeah. Some day. Is that right? Cause he finished two Dr. Peppers before 10 a.m. the other day. I think you guys are watching what he's a he's taken done. Yeah. And that's how you're making your judgment. He looks good when he's walking around. He said the other day he was like, I like seriously have to look in the mirror and like have a conversation with myself because I'm eating way too many of these new McCrispy

strips. He said he's like, it's like a real problem. Guy puked the first time he did physical activity a few weeks ago. Yeah, Guy did a little physicality and then not to mention too, he says this and then a McDonald's commercial comes out and he goes, well, no, I have to order them. It's all commercial. And he did. T-bone. T-bone, it's happened. T-bone, we're proud of you, man. You need to live long though. Let's never forget that. You're great at what you do. Real wild animal. Okay. Let's get to, uh, sorry you had an experience there Ryan. I did not know that. I think it's great man. We're just rolling. He's, he's, he's. We've been at this for 20 minutes. What's gonna happen when our fans have this for a full year,

a decade? Like it's, I legit, you can, you can work with Mammoth. You can work with it. I think it's a good name. I think there's a lot of, definitely plays. And I like that you said it's I legit you can you can work with Mammoth you can work with it I think it's a good name I think there's a lot of definitely plays and I like that you said it's just Mammoth because we're one Mamley here you know you're one we're one family but you think Mammoth sorry you say go get Mammoth or go Mammoth like what do they say in the arena look here's what's crazy with the hockey club we just rolled it out. We didn't know what any chance were. We didn't curate anything. By the end of the year, it was like, let's go, Utah.

It was like the slow clap. Go, go, go, go, go. Hey, Utah. The mammoth. Club is going to win today today that's off the cubbies obviously they're saying you know but the mammoth chance there's opportunity there's really oh yeah for sure and I think I think you should be proud of yourself getting the job done because I know it's a lot of work that went into

it but also having a positive response I assume though that was a quite a relief for you. So congratulations. Yeah, I mean, nothing's positive on the internet, so it's great. Yeah. No, you did. I saw positive for you. No, no, I know.

It was well received. Okay. Like we gotta give credit where credit's due. That was, it was extremely well received. Okay, shout to Utah for always being supportive of Utah and shout to you for always wanting to unify Utah and make Utah better. You're a great representative of that state and I assume the people there tell you the same thing.

Let's talk about the Jazz now. Let's talk about the basketball team that you own. Go ahead, Tone Diggs. Yeah, Ryan, obviously not the greatest season for the Jazz since you have been there, but you know, the future is bright. You have potentially, you have the 14% chance to get the number one overall pick three teams have a 14% chance to Probably most likely get Cooper flag. What are you guys thoughts going into the draft after? I just saw the boys running gassers in the background. So love to yeah That's a three-minute. That's a three-minute run. We'll get our dude in the back the miss Chris McRiskey to come do that Come on, but what are your thoughts going into the draft? Look, I mean we got two picks. We've got wherever we end up. It'll definitely be top five in

21 and then we got a couple seconds So it's a it's a it's a pretty good draft. I think everyone is pretty focused on it I mean, there's a lot of teams gun and there's a lot of fan bases who all want number one. You know, the Jazz have never really moved up in the graph. I think in our history or have the number one. So why not now? Why not us? Right?

Like I think it's a good thing. But we also, you know, we've got a young squad. We've got like nine guys under the age of 23. And so we've had a lot of picks and we've got a lot of picks coming out. I think we, we as much as anyone had the most first round picks in the NBA coming out. So we're definitely growing our talent here. Ryan, what about keeping the head coach? I know a lot of people were kind of questioned that decision, you know, extending Hardy was what kind of went into that? And then, you know, you kind of mentioned it

with the hockey club coming in and how great he was and that being kind of one team. Did that also play a factor? Because outside looking in, people weren't really considering the human side of the invention. So we didn't extend Will Hardy because of how good he was with the hockey team.

Okay. Okay. As fun as that would be. So we didn't extend Will Hardy because of how good he was with the hockey team. As fun as that would be. Will's been an incredible partner. I think with myself and Ange and Jay-Z, we're all in this together. It's not like there's a division here of how we're doing stuff. We're all rolling in this together. And it's been really cool to watch just, he was the youngest coach in the league when we hired him and we're growing up and we're in a rebuild. And we believe that, you know, as we kind of roll out of this rebuild, that we want him to be able to see a lot of the fruits

of the labor and it's a really, really easy decision. And we like him more now than when we hired him. And I think that's a pretty cool spot. And fortunately enough, he likes us because he's definitely a coach that would have a lot of demand out there. D-Bone said that he would run basketball suicides, no problem.

So he appreciates you. Oh, let's go. Have a casket ready. That's the, those are, I don't know. There's probably some sort of workout going on for potential draft picks. That's a casket ready. That's that's that's those are I don't know. There's probably some sort of Workout going on for potential draft picks. That's a three-minute run How many times you can go up and down in three minutes? Yeah, I think I think there needs to be a version of that in the thunder dome three-minute run. Yeah

Oh, okay. Yeah, and I don't know whether it's like 22 or 26 Is like a record like it's It's out there. So do it I'm actually been summoned to go do that this year. Okay like Ain just taking the over-under on how many I can do and so I Don't know. I'm gonna end up doing it one of these days. You literally hoop every morning though, right? That's part of every morning We hope this morning and it's

You literally hoop every morning though, right? That's part of every morning. We hope this morning and it's Geez, it's harder the older you get harder. It is every morning. What time what time every morning? What time are you? 6 a.m. Same group of guys Same dudes. We've been playing together for like 10 years ball is life. Shout out. So it's the ball ball is life text thread BIL and You know the text goes out we get to nine or 10 and it's like, all right, one or two more. You can add a plus one if you want to bring someone else. And then we do it at BYU.

So we're doing a BYU campus. And so oftentimes like assistant coaches, past players, everyone will come out. So it's a pretty good deal. Every morning at six, eight. We're starting on yeah We're probably we're probably three a good weeks for four days Because of travel but a lot still that's so that would be That would be awesome if that was if that was available

Just to be like hey if you want to play some pickup we have a group of dudes that we all like Gotta trust those guys. Otherwise you're getting banged up out there. It's super important. The trust factor, because you don't have any heroes out there. You don't have anyone who's trying to like be a hero and like, you're going up for a layup and they come underneath you. Like it's, and then we don't, we don't normally play with anyone.

That's over about six seven smart He's probably taking it to the right. Yeah. Yeah, that's not with the hat on though Yeah, and he's potentially not invited anymore got to get that thing down down low how much you think Basketball you love basketball, which turned into ownership of your hometown team that you loved, how much do you think you've taken from that ownership shit and you know being an athlete and everything? How much has it carried into helping with the NHL team? Is it two different businesses, two different worlds? Has it been pretty similar? Has it been hard? What has it been like between navigating a new league

while also having already done it in another league? Are you finding yourself saying like, well, it's much easier in the other league to do either way? Either way, I'm not saying you're saying that about it, but is there a comparison going on for you at all time? It's a really good question, Pat, because like I just got out of an hour and a half with our GM and our president of hockey. And we went through everything like season and review, um, what players we need to sign free agents are, you know, cause we got a great farm system and hockey with a bunch of young guys. We were scheduled to be about the 14th pick in the draft.

So now we're going up to four, which is pretty incredible move. pick in the draft. So now we're going up to four, which is pretty incredible move. Um, and like go through who we're looking at drafting. And we went through the organization from top to bottom. And you know, look, I'm, I'm a hundred times more, you know, kind of capable to have that conversation than I was last year, but I'm still like, they shouldn't listen to my direction yet. Right. Like I know when it comes to players, like, like I'll be the first one'm still like, they shouldn't listen to my direction yet. Right? Like, I know when it comes to players, like, like, I'll be the first one to be like, hire smart people, get the hell out of the way, but do not listen to me when it

comes to like, hey, what players or whatever, who I watch on TV, because like, you know, and other owners are like, oh, I'm coming in, we're gonna go yell at the scoreboard, we're gonna win a championship, and it's all gonna change, and it never works out. Right? Like, so you, you know, and, and I don't know that Danny angels listened to me once since he's been here. So like, that's, that's probably a good thing. But when, when I got done with the meeting, I said, Hey, I would actually love to have this same present presentation with Danny, Jay ZZ and Coach Will and vice versa. Because, not because we want to, like they know anything about hockey, but their questions

will make sure that there's no stone unturned. And that's like a really cool collab that we can do and that's the benefit of having it all in the same family. There's only, there's only a cup of us where it's the same ownership group through both. It's like MSG, Toronto. Um, a lot of people have cities have two teams, but it's not the same ownership. It's not all there. It's not that $1 for each is okay either way. Like, so the collaboration is just a little different. And so this is where where we can all try to

get better. And I think there's a lot of synergies that we take away. I'll give you an example. This year we were playing Hoops and Will and I were at the hockey game on a Tuesday night. We're playing Dallas on Wednesday night. And our team hadn't really won at home. And so it was kind of getting a little nerve wracking there. But in the last period of hockey, we're up like five to two in hockey with like six minutes left. Like we got the game. Sorgachev on our team dives in front of like a 90 mile an hour slap shot Freaking hits him in the head and he's he's kind of like out in Will's like what what just happened and Lowry was there and was like hey Like you got to get in front of the park

You have to dive in front of the park. He's like, yeah, but the games out of hand We got it like no you got to get in front of the park And wills like so we go in the next night and we beat Dallas. And I get in the locker room and drew you makes us going around going, Hey, wait to get in front of the park guys. Wait to get in front of the park. And I go to Will and I was like, what did you do in film session? And he's like, I just showed like Sergey getting in front of the park. And he's like, all I showed like, Sergey getting in front of the puck.

And he's like, all I'm asking you guys to do is get back on defense. Right? No one's being asked to get in front of a 90 mile an hour. That's great coaching. And so like the collab there is real, where a lot of times we all gather inspiration from businesses outside of our world because we're so close to it. Like in customer sat, like we'd always have like agents for tech companies go and observe, you know, the auto or fixed department at a Ford dealership because no one wanted to be there or someone at a funeral home because they had to like deliver the most amazing service on the planet and so you often get inspiration from those other groups and that was uh that's

kind of what we're seeing here a lot of collaboration yeah because you're learning a lot about something i assume you didn't know much about beforehand and then you're seeing how other people do it and let's talk about a little by the way great pool for motivation there by Hardy being like hey you think Smack the wall a little bit Smack the wood a little bit here. Okay, these guys are eating pucks in this entire thing Oh, let's let's talk about the business side now of it because like Sidney Crosby, I'm from Pittsburgh He just signed for like eight point seven million a year. I think was 8.7 million here. How hard is it for you?

Whenever they say hey, this is how much is gonna cost and it's like Yeah, we want to do like how hard has that been because the NHL prices of contracts and seemingly everything vastly different than the prices of NBA stuff. And I assume as an owner, that is some glaring things that you can see are different on one side and the other, or how do you view that kind of, and how do you kind of balance that? Well, so first the hard cap is real in hockey. It is real.

So you actually have to make trade-off decisions. Where in the NBA, it's very much like, all right, well, we'll do both. We got someone coming up, we'll sign them, we'll go up over and we'll go into the tax. It's penalizing. The new second apron definitely makes it a little more impeding to go in, but you can still keep a lot

of your players. Whereas in hockey, teams are having to keep a lot of your players. Whereas, um, in hockey, like teams are having to make real trade off decisions. Um, I didn't interview up in Canada and the first question was like, Hey, what do you think about the cap increasing 15% or whatever it is this year? Can you believe it? I was like, well, that's every year. That's every year in the NBA. Yeah. And so it's different, but the one thing I've learned is like, you, you can't run in front of, I mean, agent, you can't run in front of your blockers.

Like you've got to look at where your team is and you can't just go in and say, Hey, I'm aggressive in every other aspect of my life. I want to come in. Like you, you actually want to be able to build sustainability. And look on the jazz side, it's super painful for me to like sit here and watch our organization down to where we're not winning that much and growing the talent. But I also know that the pain is directly correlated with our upside. A hundred percent.

And you know, hockey's been a little bit of a breath of fresh air for Utah while we're going through this, but we're not gonna be down for that long. We've got great people and things switch. But definitely with a draft coming up, with a draft coming up, which in everything you were mentioning earlier about, Utah's never, never done it.

Yeah, that's right. They've never done it. Wow, Utah's right. They've never done it. Wow, Utah could do something they've never done before. Are we giving up leverage or are we just talking about a potential reality happening for the Utah Jazz? On that note, Ryan, Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Ryan, a couple weeks ago we had LeBron in here and he was talking about the NBA draft

and he basically said like, hey, I'm not gonna outwardly say it, but I don't think there's any coincidence that like the calves won the lottery the year I was in or the Bulls won the lottery when Derek Rose was, was there. Like this kind of stuff tends to happen in the NBA. Obviously you guys have the opportunity to get the number one pick. Is there any worry that the NBA is going to somehow maybe screw you guys over and, and you won't have a fair shake winning the lottery because you are Utah, you are a small market

and they maybe wanna see Cooper flag go to Washington or something like that with the success of the Washington commanders and the Wizards have been so bad for so long. Does that creep into your head at all or not really? Is it kind of just like, hey, the chips are gonna fall how they are and we just have to accept that?

Well, so my head's a little different because I don't believe we're a small market. Like, I look at what we have in Utah and like big mammoths outside of our stadium and like an airport that you can fly anywhere in the world. Like, we can go anywhere out of Salt Lake. Like it's crazy. You got a top three tech economy.

You got 7 million people coming in here to ski. Like we have nothing in common with small market. The only thing we have in common with it is we don't, people don't move to Utah necessarily to live downtown in that urban environment. But you look at Park City, you look at where we are, we have 250,000 college kids within 90 minutes. Like there is nothing that is resembling. We have the number one economy in the country. What was the lowest unemployment?

Yeah. And it's been that way. And so, so we just had, we've had a branding problem for a long time. Yeah. Well, and next year, you know, let's not forget about that the number one player in the country is going to be why you So if the NBA does rig it it's probably gonna be next year You know, he walked in when we were playing. I mean that kid looks like he's ready right now. Howdy. Where'd he end up going? Not Utah. It was a different school. He's not a you Not Utah. It was a different school. He's not a you. It's a guy dude. No, no, it's a school in Utah This is number one number one overall player next year. Yeah, I'll be a freshman next year He didn't go to Duke or you know to Yukon. No, no, you can West Virginia didn't go to West Virginia That'd be dumb. Not not well that not Kansas not not guns on Texas Texas

Where'd he go? He's Cooke. He went to BYU? Yes, he did. Go Cooke's. Go Cooke's. Hell yeah. Have you played basketball with him?

I assume you have. I have not played basketball with him. I have a line of demarcation that I can cross there. So I keep a little bit of a distance there, but we see each other, we give each other the heads up like, hey, what's up? Like, how is he going to be? It's going to be in the league and he's going to be in the league for a long time. And how do you end up at BYU? That's a crazy day offered him the most money. Yeah. I believe so. Big donors. Is that what it was it was? Hey, so I will tell you straight up He went to school at Utah prep

They did not offer him the most money There's a great coach there and Kevin Young Who came he was an assistant coach for the Phoenix Suns? He's basically got a pro staff down there seems to be a little bit of a trend of what's going on and You know, he wanted to stay in Utah trend of what's going on and you know he wanted to stay in Utah. He did not. And BYU is an area where he was comfortable and can get locked in. I mean he's been on ESPN and talked about it but great kid.

Yeah I would imagine he's a great kid and he's an incredible talent. Holy hell. Let's get this guy to the Pacers. How do we get this guy? How do you guard this guy? Yeah what is who's he playing? These are packed gyms. I assume these are big games.

I mean, he's just. Yeah, it's. Oh. He would dominate your ball is life game at 6 a.m. So could you imagine this guy showing up at your 6 a.m. ball is life game? He breaks the rules. On the 6 a.m. game.

Yeah, he's too tall. He's too tall. Holy shit. But I'm sure we'd slide. Big J would lock it down. He's going to BYU. Is BYU good at hoops? They're gonna be really good this year. I mean we made sweet 16 last year. Yeah, they were filling up the remember They just had shooters all over the place. Oh yes. Yeah. What was the um? What conference is that?

Big 12. Oh really? Big 12? You familiar? Yeah, interesting. I don't like what's going on over there BYU I think I think we need to get we need to get this monitor got their guy We were mountaineers got their guy who the new coach. Yeah, absolutely He's from North Texas, yeah, he's like the Neil Brown of basketball He is the same night he is the same amount of letters like his name is Neil Brown yeah yeah he does yeah I remember he's a guy they got some guys now they got some guys in the portal Paul White or something coach Dave Driscoll he packs he's Ross Hodge Ross Hodge yeah he he jumps in front of Pucks all right you gotta get back to your life. Yeah, I gotta bounce. Hey

Inspirational guys, we got a bunch of new ideas. We're going big mammoth. We got draft coming up We should have charged for this great to check in we will yeah, I got one more pretty good one Like, you know, all right for the Vikings they have the skull drum and it's like at the center You know the the the chiefs do it as well And it's like at the center, you know the the chiefs do it as well Where they're pounding the drum if you have like a mammoth head and then you had someone like go inside of it And then the the trunk mate made a really loud noise Exactly with the guy pop out like the kpop guy I got on stage That's a great video Like out of the stage? Could. Like that dude where he jumps out. Yeah, yeah. Is that what we're going to do?

That's a great video of him. He gets launched. Yeah. He is awesome. The quad straddle. That'd be cool. All right. Something to think about.

All these things, I hope, are on the table. Zito also just dropped in my ear. You need that. That Zamboni needs to be obviously dressed up. Yeah. That's just happening. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, Ryan Smith.

Hi there, I'm Ryan Reynolds and I have a list of things I like to have on set. It's just little things like two freshly cracked eggs scrambled with crispy hash browns, sausage crumble, and creamy Chipotle sauce from Tim Horton's. From my rider to Tim's menu, try my new scrambled eggs loaded breakfast box. Congrats to him, man. Yeah. 40, what is he? 47? Yeah, 47. 47 years old. Guy, I think there is something about high school, something obviously was not like supposed to be, but he's just like such a driven, hardworking guy and just like figures things out. And once I learned his story, because I

was asked to go to the Utah Jazz game whenever we were out there for college game day, and we did our show, and there was a fire Canada chant out there, which was crazy to even think about. But it was a long flight out there. Then we had our show, then we had game day. The next morning, I was like, I would like to go to bed. I'm actually pretty tired or whatever.

You've been invited to go to the Utah Jazz game. I'm like, thank you to the Utah Jazz. I would like to go to bed. I'm actually pretty tired or whatever. You've been invited to go to the Utah Jazz game. I'm like, thank you to the Utah Jazz. I'm gonna go to bed. I'll talk about it tomorrow though. I'll say thank you to Utah Jazz for inviting me. Then they're like, Ryan Smith, the owner, would like you to come maybe sit with him or if you don't wanna sit with him,

just hang out and maybe shake his hand or whatever. And I was like, the owner would like to see me. They're like, yes, I'm like, that's interesting. Have we said anything bad about the Utah Jazz? That's the first question. I didn't know if it that's first question I didn't know if it was a setup I didn't know if it was like a like hey why are you saying this about yeah so I need that first we need to address whether or not this person do we got heat with this guy so then I Google him and it's like learning his story

about creating surveys and how he got into it and basically just hustle bustle bustle sales company becomes a billionaire sales company again Becomes one type billionaire buys his hometown jazz team with like his friends and everything like cuz he loved the jazz played basketball grew up there Everything like that and then becomes almost like a pseudo ambassador of Utah The way he speaks about it the place is and he's like I want to make the I want people to know that this place is awesome So he's like I'm gonna try to get another sports team I'm gonna try to get a sports team here I'm gonna bid for an NHL team and then that kind of just pops up it was like he pitched and then I think there was a downtime and

then all of a sudden something happens it's like hey do you still want a team this how much it's gonna be and you can have an NHL team whatever tomorrow and he basically makes a decision like yep we'll do that we'll figure it out I know nothing about this business or anything like that we'll figure it out. I know nothing about this business or anything like that, we'll figure it out. And he has, it's like, I feel like he operates in a way that we would if we, you know, if we had like, yeah, hell yeah, we want to,

we could, yeah, we'll be able to figure it out. And then his work ethic, attention to detail, and then his ability to still create and be relatable. He's still like a human, you know? It's, he's a young American dream story. He's still like a human, you know? It's a, he's a young American dream story that isn't really talked about much, you know? Cause he's, and you talk. Don't you think like that's what everyone,

like every little kid, if you all of a sudden came into a ton of money, what would you, hey, I want to own my, I want to own the team that I watched growing up, like, and he owns two of them now. Like that's, he created one out of nothing and brought a hockey team there. So yeah, I'd say that's, that's every kid's dream. That wouldn't be a bad deal I think him hoping four times a week at 6 a.m. That's sick

47 years old would be awesome to have that option. Yeah To execute it is a whole not because I I assume they have rules everybody knows that like in the NFL You gotta know how to practice. I assume they have rules on hey, it's the key. This is how we're gonna play Mm-hmm. Like yeah, if somebody's going really hard, okay We just let them get to the rack and if they they're not getting invited back Yeah, and also yeah potentially no invite, but we don't need anybody taking any charges We don't need anybody trying to step on if people are trying to get to the rack You just go ahead and let them we sacrifice a point there and then we just kind of let it roll

They got to be in such good shape to four times a week is insane. He's doing a three-minute sprint. Yeah 47 years old tough. Those guys were working behind him. I say what that was doing the defensive slides with your hands behind your back That brought me back to you Wow who's coming after me We might be us. I think might be us getting getting throught a little bit. We gave him a ton of good ideas Yeah, we did. There used to be a TV show with Kristen Bell and Don Cheadle I can't remember the name of it. They were consultants. House of Lies. House of Lies. It was a very very good show If we ever wanted to do that. The consulting role? Yeah, those are big time scam jobs

But I appreciate the fact that people paid a lot of money for it. Yeah, that's what I mean That's what I'm talking about. We would fucking be so good at it. Hey, you did something good before. Why don't you come in and have no real accountability if it doesn't work. Yeah. Perfect. That'll be $750,000. That's a dream job.

You got it. Those exist. I didn't know those jobs existed whenever I was growing up, I don't think. It's like, well, you gotta accomplish something first. Once you accomplish something, then all of a sudden you are a potential consultant to now. But it's not your money, it's not your business.

It's awesome. I could say whatever. There's got to be a few good ones out there though. Definitely. I think consultants have definitely, on the internet for sure, there's consultants I think that are probably worth hundreds of millions from their consulting and what they do and stuff like that How about I learned about uh, I learned about Warren Buffett a little bit, you know, whenever we were in Omaha, you know Cuz he's from there. He's retiring. I guess is that what there's yeah. Yeah at the end of the year

I did not know Warren Buffett's retiring. He's old. Yeah 94 something so he's just been the guy for forever forever Every year it's like he's the guy again. Yeah-hmm first our halfway what a run how's he know he knows everything he owns all the land McDonald's every morning since so Donald same me coke mm-hmm he does basically basically D bone drinks Coca-Cola deep I can't see what's going on tomorrow I think that's what Warren Buffett did very well he can't see what's going on tomorrow I think that's what Warren Buffett can do very well he can't see what's going on right now D-Bone's an interesting guy D-Bone you're the best dude all right let's get the hell out of here we'll be back tomorrow. Shout out to Ryan Smith John

yes yeah that's awesome. Schrags stopping by. Did he tell us anything? He broke down the uh insider pope game pretty well yeah yeah he that was I'll tell you what Pope Leo won an underdog storage. It's a big deal though. First American ever, right? It was a huge deal. Yeah. Huge. Yeah. And we celebrate, I feel like we celebrated accordingly. Yeah. Yeah. You know. I don't think we, and I might speak for myself here, fully understood the severity of the situation and how big of a deal it was, but I love celebrating stuff. And white smoke came for United States of America. I like that. It's good for us. Let's go for a whirl.

Let's get back in a good stand. Exactly. And I think I think Pope Leo with everybody. I think Pope Leo is going to be a great speaker, good representative. Yeah. He knows Latin. I would assume. Yeah, he is.

He probably knows Latin fluently. I would assume he has to know Italian. So because he had had to know what the fuck everyone else was saying there He probably speaks like seven languages. I would guess a lot of time Yeah, a lot of time to learn stuff after the cell. What if our commander cheese could take credit for this? I Mean it's good for America. It is good for America. Hopefully, uh, mm-hmm anointed the 266th Pope. There's a lot of popes.

E nomine Patre. Who? Espiritus Sancti. Amen. Who'd you just, what'd you just, who'd you just? E nomine Patre et Fili et Espiritus Sancti. Okay, so that's Father. Yeah, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

I heard Padre there. Is that Latin? Yes. And what was the second one? E nomine Patre et Fili et Espiritus Sancti. Espiritus Sancti. Amen. And what was the second one?

E Nome Ne Padre, E File, Espirit e Sante. Espirit e Sante. The Holy Spirit. Yes. What a love language that is. Right? I mean that sounds really cool. Yeah, it does. I don't think I it. It's a feeling at feeling and the part rate at feeling and no matter how many, I feel it. I feel it. It's better to send this better. So something of course, you remember. Oh, one more time. And no matter how many, I feel it.

And feeling is better to send this better. No matter how many, I feel it. It's better to Santa's better numeral Padre and feeling a spirit of the Santa yeah there you go pretty much got it pretty much yeah exactly I'll tell you what I'm gonna walk that one hey I this is a big day for me yeah I'm numeral Padre all right congr Leo. That's not his name though, he's Pope Bob. We need to- Bob Prevost. He's Bob Prevost. At Chicago.

Guy who went to Villanova. Little Bobby Prevost out of Chicago. He's Pope Leo. He's now Pope Leo. By way of Pope Bob. Big go. Yeah. So we need to remember that.

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Anything you need. They got tickets for. Shout to CK. Shout to you AJ. great day today pal. Yep, shout out to you guys, good job. People are saying on the day of the Pope, your hair is doing the... Oh, am I gonna, wait, the Yarmulke situation again?

Yeah, that's what people are saying today, yeah. Yeah, I don't know, maybe that's my thing. Could be. Why not? I mean, maybe that's just what I look like, I guess. I don't know, I need to trim too, for sure. Oh, you need to get the barber. I need to trim, yeah. You need to get the barber in there. MVP treatment. I'll trim trim too. I want sure. Oh, you need to get you need to get the Barber you need to get the bar. Yeah, I'm a P treatment. I'll trim out boys had a barber in today boys are barbering

Oh nice. Yeah, it's interesting cuz like my schedule. So when I'm at raw, there's a barber there named Josh This guy cut my hair a long time ago. Like when we were with NXT Adam Cole. Yeah that whole era Yeah, cut him. Yeah. Yeah that whole that whole covert era. Yeah, COVID era. So we had known him a long time. So when I'm, he's at Raw now, he's been, so these barbers like work different shows or whatever. So I saw him at Raw the first time. And just for good old days, I said, Hey, you got time? And he's like, you got it. So I've been getting my haircuts on Mondays, which kind of messed up the barber in office trend for me, but I'm happy the boys got cleaned up today Do you sell greatest perks in the business right? Do you see how cool jc looked today? You mean every day? I don't know what he looks like every day. I just know whenever he looks sure how he looks whenever he comes in here Once a week. He looks great. He looks so cool. I don't know if he least coolest looking guy of all time aj long hair I've seen him. I see a few times. Yeah, I mean the dude is uh,

I'm sure he's up on all the trends, everything all the young kids do. There's a guy named Mikey who works for the WWE, he's a barber too. Cool looking motherfucker. Those barbers. We're talking Mollet, Kurt, like old school Long. He's got some, some snake skins.

Boots that look awesome. Always dressed like he just got done with a concert. Ooh, okay. Just got done with a concert. Always. Never seen him not fresh. Always cool. He's the other barber right there with Josh. Great group. Great duo there. Good vibes over there. WWE is so cool. Speaking of WWE on Saturday,

I have a fight with Gooder. Fuck yeah. A mammoth of a man. Mm-hmm get into it former world champion. I Will fight him because he was bullying people around and I don't like it Especially whenever you disrespect Michael Cole. I can't think about how good Michael Cole has been for us. He's the best. He's the goat He's going crazy over this Nick stuff. I mean, he's going absolutely crazy over this Nick stuff I'm happy to see him have a little bit of happiness. I'm happy to see him get a little bit of shine because for a long time,

people didn't necessarily love Michael Cole. They said, wow, this guy, this guy needs to stop doing his job on the WWF and the WWE. A lot of people said that for a long time. Now people are understanding and respecting everything that Michael Cole has done for the business. He's beloved. He's allowed to do whatever he wants. And Gunther just didn't like how biased we were in his match with Jey Uso.

He said we were disrespectful, yada, yada, yada. And then he said, I'm going to choke out a 60 year old. It's like, okay. Bullshit. That's how we got here. And now I'm going to fight with a man who's in his prime, younger than me, world champion a couple weeks ago, literally, has very rarely lost in WWE. And he's also a pretty physical specimen. He's violent. He's a violent man. He's very violent. Maybe the most violent. Could be,

arguably. Maybe the most violent. Might be the most violent. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. That's right. That's mindset going in. That's mindset going in AJ. That's how it's gotta be AJ. That's how it's gotta be. I can't wait man. I'm sure you're excited but yeah, it is wild to think you're getting back in there. That's a big deal. Like it really is.

Yes, this is a, yeah. You can't mail this in. You can't just mail this in. You can't just like, yeah I'll be able to do this a little bit and get out of here. No, this is a real deal yeah yeah a lot yeah that's all kind of settling in too but hey you got to do you got to do what you got to do just thinking especially whenever you say it you got to do it that's what life is so you know I've been hopefully I'm in a good spot odds are way against me as

they should be long shot brother I don't know did he what did he host a sweet science show last weekend? That's right. I was around the boxing community wasn't Was it maybe throw more punches than they did yeah, cuz he's thinking the kicks are coming which by the way they might They still alive still alive stronger than ever actually cuz you remember I ripped my hip flexor so I had to rehab that So now stronger than it's ever been so we got obviously a lot of thunder and lightning downstairs, but don't look upstairs There's a storm coming here, too. You know I think that'll get added into it now. He is also has some He is some pretty powerful some heavy mitts and mitts

He has some pretty powerful... Some heavy mitts. Yeah, mitts. Chops. He has like a skillet. Prime bands, yeah. Yeah. Joe Flacco. Exactly, in that photo. Gronk. 12 million views on that photo. Why is there so many views on that photo?

Wow. Just two Super Bowl quarterbacks taking a drop back. Yeah. It's a zoom in photo that really got him. 12 million views. That's a very, photo that really got him. 12 million views. That's a very, that performed very well. I assume the Cleveland Brown social media people are like, Hey, look at here.

Okay. We put out a, what we thought was going to be a good interaction actually became a great one. 12 million views. We think we need to do a little bit more of this. We think we need a little bit more side by sides, a little bit more two handsome guys, just playing the football game for the Cleveland Browns. Let's go and let that hit. And then I guess what had happened was the reason why I had so many views is

people were judging the size of Kenny Pickett's hands yet again. Okay. Kenny's been dealing with this since he came out of college. In college, Absolute Beast led Pitt to an ACC champion. Pitt, no offense to Pitt, but Pitt understands reality, won the ACC with him. He was a dog, first-round draft pick, comes in place for the Pittsburgh Steelers, which obviously he was at school there for a long time. It does not work out. Okay, he ends up getting traded Philadelphia Eagles. He becomes a Super Bowl champion. He gets traded to the Cleveland Browns in the middle of a quarterback question mark That is bigger than I think we have seen in some time It's certainly the most expensive question mark that we've seen in some time

And all anybody wants to talk about is the same thing from way before he was a Super Bowl champion and a whole different guy It doesn't matter for guys like Kenny Pickett does not he's able to spin it and he has the gloves on sure Okay, Kurt Warner warm at the end Ben Woffensperger ward at the end Peyton Manning more loves at the end Teddy Bridgewater wore gloves. I mean, there's a lot of people that have wore gloves, but I do think that people say the gloves and Saying extra Joe Flacco who has Gunther like hands Just it was pretty negative reaction for that. But Kenny a you're Super Bowl champion We would like him know we like him as a human and we think he's just fine in the hands department We love Kenny as a human. Uh

Got to meet Kenny got to spend time with Kenny. He's a guy that you can have a beer with you're on a softball team I was on a softball team with Kenny, uh teammates. He was awesome teammates. He was a great teammate Um, the internet has not been kind to him I don't like what they're doing his hands thing and there's this new thing that they're doing They're saying that his fake slide set the Steelers organization back five years. I don't like them saying that either I don't think they should I you're talking about pit in the middle of the field where he ran and then incredibly athletically Dropped a hip fake and that yeah like flag football like a flag football move Basically drops that thing and then skirts around because he has the quickness of a cat boom and he's in the first round that's why he's a

first-round draft pick and yeah they had to change that rule because people say if that's how we're gonna play we're gonna go ahead and yeah we're gonna take quarterbacks heads off we're gonna take that one might as well but nonetheless Saturday night that's right there it is Saturday night in a ring that's similar to that one. Shout to Chad Patton and team for bringing a WWE ring here. They obviously seen the ring that I had purchased whenever I was a young lad in the NFL on the internet. And they said, hey, we can send a ring, man.

And I go, you know what? You should probably do that. I don't know how long this thing's living here. Looks pretty good where it's at. It does. It's great. It's great. Doesn't, isn't really that big of a distraction too much. Things can still happen around it, but boy it is, it's a beautiful ring. Oh yeah. I mean that last one was a good ring. It was a good ring. There's no two ways about it. It was a good ring. It, yeah. This one. You might break your neck trying to do some acrobatics off the top rope, but it was good ring

Yeah, we didn't know what was gonna happen. I rope did snap a little dangerous activity to be you know wondering Is this thing gonna hold up? we didn't have pads outside or the Stairs that do not budge or the chairs for people to watch which we thought there was a chance D bone was gonna be He's gonna he will that there was a chance D bone be sitting there He's gonna All right. Well, I can't wait for that. Can't wait for tomorrow. We're gonna feel good Friday Then we got we got big games tonight Warriors Timberwolves tonight 830 on TNT Hurricanes Capitals as the NHL playoffs continue hurricanes up 1o that's 7 o'clock on ESPN then

930 on ESPN game 2 of the Oilers go to nights series the Oilers currently up 1-0 Yeah, I gotta have it Stoner had two goals and I make Jesus and the boys right off for straight last game Yeah, Stoner's hot obviously need Jackie Aces. This needs to be a Jackie Aces game tonight ladies and gentlemen TMZ has reported That Aaron Rodgers has been spotted without a ring on a made marriage speculation. This guy gets it man.

This guy gets it. He's just he's the best. He's a puppet master and we're all playing his game. Such a menace. Yep. He's got us. He's got us in the palm of his hand. Watch this.

I'll wear a wedding ring at the Derby. I'll just put my left hand on the outside. And watch them all. Everybody's gonna love it. Now we know as newlyweds sometimes it's weird to get used to that first week or two. That is true. Maybe he got a divorce. I've seen that in entourage.

Remember old buddy in the movie? Might have been working out. Maybe he was clanging and banging. Maybe he's doing yoga. It's too hot. Hot yoga. Maybe he's golfing and he forgot to put it back banging. Maybe he's doing yoga. It's too hot hot yoga. Yeah, maybe he's golfing He forgot to put it back on Maybe he's not married what? Was that a possibility? No not in my mind. I mean either he's buried in the game think about how happy he is Whatever that happens. Mm-hmm Is that what you is that why you said there wasn't much clarity because you're like there's no way you just did this just to

Honestly, I don't know I'm trying to figure it out as well you guys well as sorry you surprise okay are you surprised the ring is off now I'm not surprised by anything to be honest with you did you see the ring off at any point over the weekend I don't believe so no okay when you showed up the first thing you saw was ring is that accurate Yeah, pretty early on yeah, I would notice was it a rubber ring I assumed I assumed it was like the the sleep tracker thing at first though or and then you told him like well What's the aura gimmick thing telling you about is that what you asked like how's your sleep cycle man?

Are you getting 90% recovery is that what you asked? Yeah? I mean, yeah, I would say stuff like that didn't get too many answers or any really but yeah AJ Hawk is in the TMZ article is saying Come on now he told pet. Well, we got to buy these Feet are very comfortable One Aaron Rodgers former Packers teammate spent a bunch of time with quarterback out in Louisville for the dirt He told Pat Magpies this week. There was zero explanation behind the sudden appearance of the ring Okay, no update from the situation Hawk said Tuesday. I'm not gonna lie

All right, they got you there They quoted me I can't believe you said that They got you there. Well, that's what he said. They quoted me. I can't believe you said that. No update from the situation. I'm not going to lie. Respect.

That's a great AJ hot book. That is a great. That's awesome. It seems dumbbells, not wedding bells, are his priority instead of the bottom of that. That's a great line, too. For now, we all appear to know, all we appear to know is that Rogers is in a serious relationship with a woman named Brittany. Outside of that it seems dumbbells, not wedding bells are his priority.

That's a bar, who wrote this? That's Harvey Weven. Shakespeare? Is it all Harvey every time? Is it like pro football talk? I always assume it's Florio. Is that how that works? There are other writers on Pro Football Talk. Yeah. There's a David fella. Yep. Okay. And is that it? I think there's like three or four maybe. Because anytime I see Pro Football Talk tweet, I just go, that's Florio. But then every once in

a while, there's a quote, like of an article that is tweeted out and I'm like, okay Is this a Florio article or not? Is this all Harvey? I don't think so and then the other guy Um, I did their show one time whenever I was uh, I was like Harvey I've been watching you for years buddy people score. I remember the whole thing dude. You're uh, yeah I would love to do an interview. What was the guy? He's co-host. The guy with the dreads? Yeah, I think you probably is co-owner at this point you would soon anyways AJ they know you they're listening to you don't be a leak don't be a rat Charles what I think it's

Charles I'm Charles Davis Charles Davis I how's he doing good? He's not the lead lead college football announcer for CBS really yes Congratulations. See one. Yeah cuz energy good energy has a football in the studio, which I like Gary. Gary Daniels in return King rats to Gary Hell of a career voiced over a lot of magical moments movies do right Yeah, he may have been in a couple seen water boy. He might have been water boy. I know Dan Fouts was yo Yeah, right. Those sports people getting into the sports movies is always like feels like a step for Yeah, Berman in Longest Yard, yeah, well Dan Patrick's in every

Yeah, the whole crew I think think, or is it just Dan? I mean, there's, oh yeah, I don't know if everybody, but yeah, Dan Patrick always pops up. Hey, Sandman's a weapon, dude. Happy Gilmore 2. When's Happy Gilmore 2? When's that come out? July, maybe?

This summer? Yeah. It has to be good. I assume it has to be good. I sure hope so. I mean, post- Sandman hits. Sandman hits.

Hustle is a great movie. No, I agree. It's any time you have this much space in between a sequel Well, they're trying to relaunch the thing because a lot of people don't know the original they're gonna try to watch They're gonna try to get a lot of people that probably don't know sure haven't followed the original So they got to create this as its own thing basically, right? Definitely. Yeah, but it's just like I mean we've seen it happen about like first dumb and dumber same thing it's like you eventually like I assume that I'm in dumber one was so bad bad I was a bummer out that was not good it was really good hot tub time machine too actually that was pretty good but I assume that Sandman wouldn't make this if he didn't like the script and he

didn't think like people will enjoy cuz ultimately he's the one who's Given the yes or no and we all just view Sandman as movie creator Yeah like even a movies where he's just an actor or a voice actor and I assume Sandman created it because of how much money he Gets paid to create things and how much shit I want. I like I think he is. Hey grown-ups to was good. I Don't think I remember it. Hubie Halloween. So good. He needs to make Hotel Transylvania 4.

Yes. There is a four, isn't there? I don't know. I think there's a four. He needs to keep making them. They're so good, aren't they? Love Hotel Transylvania. The one with the burr.

Frankie loves it. They're good, they're good. Yeah. McKenzie loved Hotel Transylvania. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, it's a fucking great show. I don't think he created it though. Hotel Transylvania. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, it's a fucking great show. I don't think he created it though. Hotel Transylvania.

That's surprising. Seems like he did, right? That feels like Sam Anchor. He had to. He must have. Alright, we'll get the hell out of here. We'll see you tomorrow. What a waste of time here at the end, but it was a good drum station. Congrats to Pope Leo. Hell yeah. Shout out.

Pretty proud of Pope Leo. Me too. Yep. Shout out pretty proud of Pope Leo. Me too Just kid from Chicago. That's right. Who takes over his Chicago church now, he's been long gone from there Has he been over there forever now? I guess yeah, I don't know. Do you have to do like an internship? I saw he was through a lot of stuff in South America. Yeah, I don't think so But if he's in line to become a pope, he's probably overseeing a massive archdiocese somewhere. What's that mean, archdiocese? Like the, like it'd be stationed in like a city

or something and then you oversee like all the churches within that, like, so if you were like the, you know, running like the archdiocese of Chicago, like there are a shitload of Catholic churches in like the Chicagoland area area that like he would oversee all And he lives in what what would he live in at that point? Yeah Like is there an arched seminary or whatever? No, he's the the overseer of the arched I master bag that like they live pretty good

There'd be like a basilica or something that again. I don't I don't know I'm just talking from personal experience here But like there'd be like a basilica or the biggest church that he works out of and then there would be a rectory right next door, which is just his house pretty much that's attached to the church or near it. What a wild business. You can climb the ranks you probably want to. You have to deliver the best sermons and then word gets out out that you deliver great sermons That's probably part of it. I'm honestly I'm not sure because we've never had an American guy be the Pope

So I really I don't even know like how obviously he's super super well respected So like I do wonder how it goes Hopefully being like a great communicator would be one of the top traits you have to have I Would assume so everyone likes you but this last Pope he hasn't been able to talk for some time. Allegedly he was tight with the last pope. So it may have been a, uh, Oh, he's hand selected them. I don't, I don't think you could do that with the, but I think he probably gave him a ringing endorsement.

133 Cardinals did the voting is what we read from, uh, the eyepaper shots of their YouTube stream today. That was huge. It felt like we were there. iPaper. Shout out to their YouTube stream today. Yeah, that was huge. It felt like we were there. It did. That was sick. Everything they did we thought was the announcement. Old buddy comes out and cuts a promo in that big microphone.

That was great. All the lads kind of on the windows, them opening their doors in such demonstrative fashion. Jacked up. So jacked up. You didn't get the walk in right too, by the way. What's that? You got the walking correct? He did just come in It's our way. Oh, yeah, we didn't get a chance to see the beginning. We did see him though Peter Schrager was in the middle of a great take

Buddy first time we're seeing this got a cut here Schrager having some inside information on the Pope thing was fascinating. Yeah, no, I'm not shocking though. That's trigger He said he was getting text that there were some other cardinals that were up for the pope Manship saying that they this guy's already crying. This is not what we need for the pope That's what tranks that he was hearing now that's we don't know if his sources are in there or not But seems like they keep a pretty tight circle over there. Mm-hmm Smoke signals. That's right old school

266 Pope's how long is that? long-time Long time. Yeah. Yeah, what was the first? I Couldn't tell you I just 1600 30. Yeah, what's that? 30 ad there you go 30 ad been a pope in place for a long time Paul the first Pope some people contest that the Roman Empire never really went away. It just morphed into the Vatican and the Catholic Church because where is the Catholics home? Vatican City, which is in where? Italy it's technically its own little thing, but

Two summers ago, how was it Foxy cultured absolutely beautiful we went through this church That was the longest church you'll ever see you going through tunnels. It took like two hours. It was insane It was awesome So whenever you're walking through this church is there. It took like two hours. It was insane It was awesome So whenever you're walking through this church, is there the pews everywhere? Like some people are in a way way way way way way way back and there's like one priest up in the front I would actually like consider it more of a museum and then you're going like room to room to room to room and you're Seeing all sorts of stuff and then it leads to like the most beautiful church I've ever seen in my life They you weren't even a lot to take photos or videos there.

So it was pretty cool. Candles and everything, I assume, right? Massive. The whole deal. The music, exactly what you're thinking of. Candles, all of what's Notre Dame. I went to Notre Dame whenever I played soccer over there as a teenager. And all they kept saying was, you know, they're yelling at us to be quiet. We couldn't take any pictures.

But it is like such a holy hell. What a beautiful spectacle in the feet of our character you've been there one in Barcelona I yeah that one was under construction pretty heavily yeah it has been for like 250 years under construction yes so beautiful that when he finished it up I assume they're still in a construction right now I was think they recently fit I could be just talking out of my ass most likely but I thought that recently Foxy thanks for going over there and being cultured for us

Yeah, it was awesome. Did you sit down and? Some podge and when I popped it Not into any of that Why not oxy because I'm a big hey, let's go see this thing Let's get through this thing awesome take some photos take some videos even though you couldn't and then let's go get a little drink after Classic you could have stayed probably got a little bit of a drink which we don't know if Pope Leo is gonna change You guys talking about that a little brainstorming for the Pope to maybe a little bit more Maybe a little more food. Yeah a little more of the yeah food and drink vodka different options. Let's not disrespect

Vodka, what's that? Sprinkle it just for water. Yeah, just a little sauce Yeah, gotta be able to work vodka into a story. So actually bring up your own fifth I'd be like this is what I want. I think it's pretty early to be boozing everybody that doesn't hurt it to be malort All right could be Old-style Chicago what a change that would be. Just for the entire- Yeah, people wouldn't love that. Maybe hot dog water? Or little pieces of hot dog.

I was talking to a guy from Chicago yesterday. We were talking about the whole mustard ketchup thing. What a convo. Just because we're from Pittsburgh, Hines. So yeah, I put ketchup on a hot dog. That's becoming a sin now, by the way. Yeah, exactly. That's literally how the guy, by the way. You can go, yeah, exactly. That's literally how the guy was talking yesterday.

It was all ketchup. On a hot dog, you're not supposed to, Chicago people consider themselves hot dog people, even though they don't enjoy the best tasting hot dog, which is a hot dog with ketchup on it. They actually think you can't put ketchup on a hot dog. It's just a mustard type operation. None of it makes sense to me either, brother.

I have no idea how that started for them. They're missing out. They're missing out. They are missing out. They are. Big time. Definitely. They need to just kind of put that one to rest with the last Pope.

Yeah. You know, Pope Leo from Chicago. Flush it. Just flush it. Bury the ball. Bury the ball. That was a bad decision by you guys. You shouldn't have done it.

If this goes into Mammoth, they're going to win. Okay. Sweet. Yeah, Western Conference is tough yeah maybe jazz there all right if this goes in jazz game number one overall pick okay never done. He's going to Chicago. If this goes in, I would. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Oh my God. Bonus ball, bonus ball, bonus ball. Oh shit. Well, you jumped over the lava. Shoot it for the green. That was almost more devastating. Hit the flag, didn't it? Look how much space there is.

And it hit that. I don't like that one bit. So it crushed Tigers one Masters. You had to hit the flag, roll it in the water. Yeah. So much room for not to go anywhere. Could just bounce right back to me. But no bonus balls. No bonus balls.

That's right. We got another day tomorrow. That's right. We'll ask the universe again tomorrow. If we're lucky enough to wake up, we'll be appreciative for it. And we can't wait to chit chat about sports and life with you. Again, be a friend, tell a friend something nice might change your life. We're gonna send you the other team on me.

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