The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1342 - Tyrese Haliburton, Marty Smith From the PGA Championship, Dion Dawkins, Jeff Passan, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about the Pacers eliminating the Cavs 4-1, and reaching the Eastern Conference Finals, and the Thunder coming back to beat the Nuggets and take a 3-2 series lead. They also discuss the Stars getting a big win and taking a 3-1 series lead over the Jets, and the NFL continuing to release games here and there before the NFL’s official schedule release tonight at 8 PM. Also joining the show are 4 great guests including 2x NBA All-Star, All-NBA, Superstar for the Indiana Pacers, Tyrese Haliburton joins the show to chat about the series against the Cavs and look ahead to the Eastern Conference Finals. Marty Smith joins the show LIVE from the PGA Championship at Quail Hollow to preview the PGA Championship. 4x Pro Bowl Left Tackle for the Buffalo Bills Dion Dawkins, and lastly, ESPN MLB Insider Jeff Passan. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’re off the next two days for the PGA Championship, we’ll see you on Monday. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode the Thunderdome on this NFL schedule release day. Also the paces are easy. Wednesday show starts now. Sports are happening all around us and obviously in this particular city with this particular team they lost four zip to the Boston Celtics in the Eastern Conference Finals. They were a team that was not expected to make it to the Eastern Conference Finals. They were not a team that was expected to be one of the four teams left in the NBA all season long and then they go on this miraculous run last year. Captivate this entire city, this entire state, this entire fan base and then this year the beginning of the season they're not that great and then post all-star break they have been the best team in the NBA both record record wise and

optics wise they are led by what the hell tyrese haliburton who has voted the most overrated player in the nba there's a lot of these uh basketball journalists people that are saying yeah he's pretty good player he's pretty good player he's pretty good yeah he's fucking led his team to the Eastern Conference finals and back-to-back years as a 24 year old he's an Olympic gold medalist didn't get to play didn't get to play but did get invited over a lot of people you know why because the people that actually play basketball respect this dude true point guard who obviously has a three-point shot That is unique, but it finds buckets

I don't think he's missed a free throw other than on purpose for like six months whatever the case and his teammates love him And it's not just Tyrese Halliburton It's also miles Turner who's been here for ten years through many different transitions spicy pascoe Siakam traded from Toronto last year mid-season. He's a perfect buy-in. Neesmith, Namhart, TJ McConnell, and Rick Carlisle, the head coach, he's been a guy that's been shooed out of a couple different cities after building a winner. This team perfectly epitomizes the city in which they represent, and this city loves hoops. And the fact that the Pacers are back in the Eastern Conference Finals is not a surprise to those of us who actually watch them play. The only issue with watching them play is if you're a national fan or an NBA fan or a fan of another team you haven't been able to watch them because they're never put on national television. They've tried to hide this Pacers team which is why I

think 11 out of 11 people on ESPN projecting what this Cavalier series we're gonna go projected the Cavaliers to win in either a gentlemen sweep, an outright sweep, or in six or seven games because nobody has seen this Pacers team play. If you've watched them play since the All-Star break, they're fast. They'll run your ass out of the gym. Everybody's like, well they play against teams that aren't healthy. Well that's because in a best of seven, taking on this Pacers team They're setting the pace brother and that thing is moving You're gonna have to keep up now It's things that Donovan Mitchell hurt his ankle and he wasn't fully healthy Mowgli was playing Turner everybody was playing on the number one seed Eastern Conference

Cleveland Cavaliers team and I must say watching Donovan Mitchell do his thing was fun now I posted a About Donovan Mitchell last night. I said, you know what? It's been fun to watch Donovan Mitchell in this particular series. He's a dog. It does feel like he's battling through a lot. Everybody is. It's a long season, everything like that. All anybody responding to me is,

he's a free throw merchant. He's a free throw merchant. He gets more calls than anybody. It's like, also, he hocks up threes like this and somehow they fall. It was very obvious. He was carrying that Cleveland Cavaliers team on his back when he was not doing great they were not doing great he had 40 in a game against the Pacers he had 35 plus last

night I mean this dude was fun to watch I had no idea he gets as much hate as he gets as well on the internet but nonetheless number one seed great season out of the Cleveland Cavaliers. Great season now everybody can make it to the Eastern Conference finals. No. Pacers can, back to back years. And maybe finally they'll get some respect. And maybe finally they will think to themselves, maybe Tyrese Halliburton, he's a leading mind. This guy is an absolute superstar.

And I know he won't say it because he is a humble superstar and that might be a part of his problem. He's a funny dude, he's got a lot of moxie. Will rather do a sick pass to somebody than take it to the rack. Will if he has to, won for 30 obviously last night in a series time, plus 54 in minutes over the last two games against Cleveland Cavaliers when Tyrese Halliburton was playing. So like the guy can score, is willing to score, but he's a team first guy and I think that's why the boys all buy in. We'll be talking to Tyrese in like five to ten minutes or so, obviously late night

traveling back from Cleveland after demolishing them in a gentleman sweep to get to the Eastern Conference Finals. But yeah, it's a great time to be in Indiana. And I, at SmackDown, what was the date of that SmackDown, Foxy? January 31st. January 31st, said this. How excited are you to have the Royal Rumble at Indianapolis? I'm very excited.

I'm very excited. Indiana, don't we deserve this? Yeah, we do. I like how he says we, too, by the way. Yes, we do. I'm so excited to be here. It's going to be a lot of fun. Great weekend.

We're thankful you're here, and tomorrow you take on the Atlanta Hawks in this building at 5 p.m. Eastern. How's that going to gonna go and then are we gonna see you at the Royal Rumble tomorrow? It's gonna be a good game. Paces are hot. We had a great January and we just want to keep it rolling so you know, goals to get a win and get to the Rumble. He said they had a hot January. It's the best team in the NBA. Best record in January. They're getting hot at the right time, Cole.

We're hanging a banner in this building because of this young stud in Spicy Pete. Everybody said I was pandering at the time. No, I was just watching. I was actually just getting a chance to watch them play. They all buy in, they all run, and they don't give a damn who's the one that's going off on that particular night.

It might be Miles Turner hitting step back threes. It might be Paschal doing this wild shit taking it to the rack It might be Tyrese Halliburton doing his thing You know what Nemhardt is taking over him me Smith has taken over games guys that you've never heard of because once again They're not a national TV now. You're gonna have to respect them. You're gonna have to see them They're back in the Eastern Conference finals and what Kevin Prichard the director of basketball operations I think for the Indiana Pacers how he has pieced this team together for dogs is what he's looking for. Obviously, they need to be able to play basketball, but we need dogs.

It's a perfect fit for Coach Carlisle. It's a perfect fit for this city. And they punched their ticket back to be one of the final four in the entire NBA. Congrats to them. I'm proud of this Pacers team. Proud of this Pacers team. Never hear a peep out of them. No. Never hear a peep out of them. No. Never hear a peep out of them. Just kind of, we'll just do our thing. We'll keep working. And they've obviously garnered respect

from everybody and their peers. And now it seems like the media is going to be forced to talk about it. I didn't hear a lot of it this morning, you know. Did see the other day, who's going to get their first title Ant-Man or Halliburton. It was like, wow. Yeah.

Holy hell, we're complimenting Halliburton here. This is good news. This is the first time. He's young, a lot of career left. Good for them. Who will join them in the Eastern Conference Finals? Maybe we find out tonight or maybe the Boston Celtics. Let's go to the talk table at Ty Schmidt at Boston Connor. You guys are without Tatum officially torn to kill him, which is an absolute bummer. We are very optimistic, hoping that that was not the case. He's obviously going to miss all of next year. Surgery already has been done. We know from our sport, Achilles is obviously a very fickle matter. It takes a lot of rehab. It's a

long time to get that thing back to where it was beforehand is going to be damn near impossible, but get it strong enough to be able to be stable enough for him to play 82 games and do basketball that he does. He's going gonna miss all of next year. The Celtics still I think their favorites tonight yeah and I think the Celtics still have what it takes to potentially go on and win it all. Now maybe the Knicks punch their ticket to earn their way to play against the Indiana Pacers. Sure. And obviously that's a throwback rivalry that we all learned about last year yet

again or reminded about last year you know Reggie Miller, you know the entire Knicks I think he scored like nine points in like four seconds or something like that to come back and beat the Knicks Pacers Knicks has always been a good thing in basketball It's seemingly all the way back with what happened last year in the playoffs now It could be an Eastern Conference finals matchup and I got a lot of Knicks fans tweeting me. We can't wait to see you Go Knicks go Knicks. Iticks it's like you better hey there's a champion up there it's a wounded dog up against with their backs to the wall how do you feel about the Boston Celtics taking on the Knicks this evening?

I feel good about tonight the Celtics are 8-2 without Tatum this year so it's not as if it's kind of uncharted territory if you will Sam Houser will be playing again but you know just listen to what I'm saying you know Sam Houser will be playing again, but you know, just listen to what I'm saying, you know, Sam Houser will be playing again I'm not saying Jason Tatum is gonna be back Jalen Brown kind of a lot of people have a lot of faith You know 300 million dollar man time to go earn that. Hey, this is my team. I can still do this on my own I think Peyton Prichard could be hoisted into the starting lineup Which I think everybody would be very happy about actually fun fact, Peyton Pritchard is the only game he played more than 30 minutes was the game we won.

So maybe more Pritchard, maybe some more points, maybe another win perhaps. But again, you know, we're in it for this. And when you watch the Pacers play, especially last night, when you watch the Thunder and the Nuggets play, but especially the Pacers, cause that's using the Eastern Conference finals, They're just so good. They were down by 20 points last night and people aren't talking about that. There was a stat, two of the largest comebacks in closeout game history for the playoffs. They have two of them this year.

The last series against the Bucks, they were down 20 and then the Pacers last night, they're down 19 against the Cavs. So when you talk about kind of rising to the moment and that's an easy spot to be in. Hey we're on the road it's game five. Everybody's expecting us to win this. We're up 3-1 we can go home play on our home court which they've only lost once when Halliburton is playing I think they're 9-1 on at home court with Halliburton playing so it's one

of those things where hey let's just punt on this game. We've actually seen it. The Cavs did it in game four. Golden State did it again, I believe, whatever. Steph after Steph got hurt. The Nuggets kind of did it in game four as well. The Baysers don't do that. Carlisle gets the boys going, so it's awesome to see that.

But when it comes to the Celtics tonight, game five, sure. I could see the Celtics getting the job done. Again, they're a three point shooting team. It's not like Tatum's the only one shooting threes. They all shoot threes. They get hot. Who knows what can happen. So still have faith in the boys, still have faith in Missoula, but it's definitely an uphill climb back to the Larry O'Brien title town.

Yeah. He talks about last night and obviously tonight we'll watch that game. And if it is the Knicks, that's exciting news for EMBA. Pacers, Knicks in the Eastern Conference Finals is a beautiful thing. Little old Indiana taking on obviously New York. Both teams play similar. Both teams kind of dogs. And both teams like to run. So it would be an exciting Eastern Conference Final. You talk about last night. Nuggets and Thunder played. I passed out. The Nuggets were up. It was the Western Conference, it's tough to stay up for.

I'm going to be honest, it is tough to stay up for. I passed out, Nuggets were up. Joker had, I think, 28 points whenever I passed out. Maybe he was already up over 30 points by whatever the case was. And I saw yesterday that the most bet thing on ESPN bet, I think, was Joker 25 plus points. Because of how everybody had been talking about how Joker hadn't been playing well hadn't been play well then down the stretch there were some big-time plays made by both teams

obviously Joker would inevitably end up hitting a crazy three to tie this thing up and then SGA would answer on the other side and then all it would take down the stretch is a miss and then somebody get in on the foul line and then another miss and the game's over that is why four quarters obviously two and a half, three hours, whatever the case is. If these games are close and you just talk about the Pacers being down 20, at the very end it's who makes shots late. That is really the only thing. Doesn't matter how much you've been behind, does not matter how much you were up in the game, who's going to make shots late. SGA and the boys, Chet, Harvitz Hart.

Yeah and then Hardenstein also had some big time plays down the stretch and Joker obviously led the boys for the Nuggets gave him everything he possibly could have but what a great game and congrats to OKC being who they said they were all season basically last night very easily Joker could have stole that one oh yeah look like they were going to and OKC with that crowd I love the strike shirts Last night, very easily, Joker could have stole that one. Looked like they were going to. And OKC, with that crowd, I love the strike shirts. I love how loud their crowd is.

I love how invested they are. But them coming back and winning that and watching this this morning, the recap of the final four minutes, it was like OKC answered the bell every single time. And I think that's the most important part whenever we get to this stage of the playoffs. Yeah, Lou Dort, because you fell asleep asleep and you know, they were up the Nuggets were I think by 11 at one point Lou Dort had I think three threes back to back to back to kind of cut that lead down and then SGA towards the end of The game is just unbelievable now when it comes to the Nuggets gonna need Russell Westbrook and Watson and Michael Porter Jr Maybe to hit a three every once in a while because that is

I don't know if that's coming from us. So I I love Russell Westbrook football basketball football Yeah basketball. I love his effort. I love his energy. I don't think these eyes Right here. What's still pop blood vessel because Gunther I don't think these eyes and a bruise Yeah, new bruises just popped up here on my arm I didn't expect that to show you can see that this is kind of came out I know it must be a deep bruise yeah just kind of making its way to surface now it's a contusion Jesus least it is a contusion Bruce say it might be some real damage in there yeah there is yeah it's bleeding there's a pool of blood on my bicep days later

so I don't think these eyes though have seen Russell Westbrook make a three and Sometime yeah, but Joker and the boys will send it out there and he's always wide open I think I know why he's always wide open but his confidence just to go up and huck that thing Immaculate always part of the reason why I love Russell Westbrook But there was a time during a run in the fourth quarter where he gets bought three he shoots that thing out of bounds I mean it ends up having twice. Yeah, it ends up going out of bounds It's like they do need to make if you can make shots late you win the game Yeah, and I love what Russell Westbrook has done. I love him on that Nuggets team, but there's times where he has nothing but space I think he should just maybe take a step in, like maybe a couple steps in. Sure.

And just maybe see if it's a little bit easier there. But nonetheless, OKCOOs is who they said they were all season, and the Indiana Pacers are exactly who we said they were all season. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, Young Superstar, who has found himself in the Eastern Conference Finals for the second year in a row. Leader of this Indiana Pacers team, ladies and gentlemen, last night had 30 plus points, 31 I believe, Tyrese Halliburton. Yeah, Tyrese!

Congrats, dude. I always appreciate the intro, always appreciate it. I don't know who made this shirt, if you're associated with it, but it got sent to the office like two days ago, so I figured I'd wear it just to show respect to you and the Pacers because it feels like everybody's been talking about you and the team the same exact way and I saw you give the interview last night after the game about outside noise the only thing that

matters is how we believe in there you guys definitely use that as chips all right I mean all 11 people that were predicting this series had you guys lose it for BSPN I assume the same from TNT. Do you use that? Does Coach Carlisle bring that up? How often do you guys chat about the disrespect outside of maybe you and the fan base? All the time.

I think it's all the time. It's the feel we use. I think we have a lot of guys who have been overlooked at some point in their career. I think the majority are starting lineup. You look at Andrew Nemrard's second round pick. Aaron Neesmith gets traded. And they, Bleacher Report puts out a meme of calling him a paper clip when he gets traded.

Miles Turner has been in trade rumors his whole career. Pascal started the game late. And it's been a big addition for us. And then we got a lot of guys like that who can all relate on that level. We've all been overlooked at some point. We just use it as fuel to try to do something special. Do you think Kevin Pritchard's looking for guys that are dogs? Do you think that is your culture?

Do you think you guys have more dogs than most teams in that locker room? I think he's looking for guys who play the right way and are willing to play our way. You know, I think we got a lot of guys who just fit our style of play. You hear people talk about how fast we play, how hard we play, and I think that's a buy-in from everybody. Even our guys, you know, even our two-way guys who, you know, aren't even allowed to suit up right now, how hard they're going in their workouts, even though they can't play. Helping us with scout team and all that stuff, it goes through our whole organization.

So definitely a special group we're part of and doing some special things right now. Coach Carlisle looks like Jim Carrey. Certainly looks like Jim Carrey. He's had success in different places. He doesn't really get too high ever, really doesn't feel like he's not too. Last night his big thing was we're eight games away, eight wins away from NBA Championship. He's like, congratulations, you've earned it. We're eight wins away now from an NBA title. Pacers on three, one, two, three Pacers. That was basically like the call up in the locker room from Vysel. I don't know if he's speaking before that. Then when he talks

to the media, it's the same exact thing. It's like when you guys are up 3-1 He didn't he was like we don't care about being up 3-1 because Cavaliers don't care that we're up 3-1 Is he always just he is? Just always blinders on type guy. What is coach Carlisle like day to day for you guys? Yeah, I think he is a very super serious person I try to I try to joke as much as I can to try to get him to crack a smile or laugh from time to time. During playoff time it's hard.

If I could get him to smile or laugh during the playoff, it's a pretty special moment for me. He's on my chair. I know he's the guy who always is setting the tone with, you know, his sternness and being serious. And, you know, I feel like it's kind of my job to, you know, I'm the point guard. So I got to kind of be the coach on the floor to share that messaging. But at the same time, you know, keep everybody loose and having fun. Let them know it's just basketball. So let's just go out there and hoop.

Yeah, I think you said that whenever somebody was saying something, you're like, it's just basketball. It's not that serious. And then you just kind of kept it moving. but basketball is obviously something that this city and this state love i mean they this is a basketball state before pay as you get a phone call from coach carlo saying keep my name out of your fucking mouth okay keep your name out of my mouth coach carlo called um but before payton manning got here this was a racing and basketball state, a racing and basketball city. Obviously the Indy 500 is here every single year, the largest sporting event on earth, and all the Indy cars are based out of here. So the Indy drivers are actually like famous here in Indianapolis.

The Pacers had obviously been something that's been beloved, and the Indiana Hoosiers are beloved. So then Peyton comes in here and kind of turns it around. But there's a time coming up now where I think the Indy 500 is happening during the day and then there's an Eastern Conference Finals game happening at night. And I assume that would be to the detriment of us. Every Indiana person I talk to like that's the greatest day in the history of Indiana. Let's talk about you being back in the Eastern Conference Finals. Coach Carlisle has won a title before with Dallas, so obviously he has been there and he has seen it before, and he can obviously say those things.

For you, getting a chance to experience Eastern Conference Finals last year, and then getting a chance to do it again, what have you guys learned? Are you like a more mature team, you think, from all the experiences from last year, or does that not really matter, you just kind of got to focus on today?

Yeah, no, I think we've grown a lot over the last year. I think last year we were just happy to be in the playoffs. Honestly it was just like playing with house money at that point. We were just happy to be there and I think this year we came into the year with real internal expectations to get back to here and you know beyond and win a championship that's been our goal a year. We're eight wins away from doing that but we know there's a lot of work in front of us but you know after we won yesterday I'm sitting in the locker room just kind of you know led like feeling it you know because I don't want to take winning for granted you know that's something that I've heard a lot from my vets and my time in the league is don't take it for granted

You know, it's special stuff happening and you know a couple years ago. I was at the draft lottery It represented the Pacers and I was sitting there. I was like steaming I was like I do not want to be here right now You know, so the fact that the lottery happened the other day and it just so happened to be on on TV You know, I didn't even know it was happening that day That's pretty that's a pretty cool feeling. So I don't wanna take for granted. Last year I got hurt after in game two.

So I'm just excited to be in the Easter Conference Finals and get the chance to get to play. Cuz last year getting hurt in game two was frustrating. So I'm looking forward to hopefully having a healthy series and being able to compete. Yeah, you're only gonna get a chance to win so many playoff series You know, they only come so many so you got to enjoy those moments wherever they come and also Nobody's gonna remember it if you don't win the next series

So if you don't enjoy that moment right there you potentially miss it all like last year Nobody really got to enjoy the Pacers season in the miraculous playoff run because of how it ended, legitimately. And then right into the Olympics, then we're right into the season, it's like nobody really took in how awesome of a run last year was. I'm happy to hear you have a little bit more presence about you to enjoy the good times, because who knows if they're ever going to come again. They will, hopefully. You never know what's going to take place. Let's talk about that series a little bit.

Ty has a question for you, Tyrese. Yeah, Tyrese, there was a stat going around last night that said the Cavs are 0 and 5 Against you guys at home this year and 36 and 5 against everyone else in the NBA and Pat mentioned it before he came on About how you know, I know you guys don't give a shit about it But ESPN all the NBA analysts, you know, no one picked you guys to win and all that kind of stuff Why do you think you had the Cavs number and what is it about like you guys as a team that matched up so well with them? Because coming in, you know, everyone was talking about how good the Cavs were all season

and and no one really, you know, except maybe with the exception of a few people and you guys in the locker room expected you guys to win the series. Yeah, I don't know if it was necessarily like we have their number, we have them super figured out or anything. They're a hell of a team and they do so many things so well. But I think that our focus was just coming in and being us, playing Pacers basketball. We don't really, I feel like that's the most important thing every series is just being who we are. So no matter how teams guard us We're gonna run get up and down dictate the pace and then defensively if we can get enough stops to get to be able

To play in transition even more. I think that really plays to our our favor So I thought we did a great job of getting stops getting out running, you know, the only game we lost this series They dictated the pace they dictated the physicality. And, you know, that was a recipe for disaster for us in game three. And I thought we did a great job responding in game four by getting stops. You know, they had what, 39 points at halftime. We had a hell of a shot making game that game, you know, definitely. Big hoop.

Yeah, yeah, big hoop that night. But I feel like a lot of it was we were getting stops getting down transition and then obviously playing in game bridge With the crowd behind us, you know, the rim just you throw it in the ocean, you know, so I think I think the big biggest part for us was just Yeah This is it. This is ESPN. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, you just froze Tyrese cuz we're talking too much about the Pacers We knew that I'm not gonna say it's Adam Silver cuz I think he just froze Tyrese because we're talking too much about the Pacers. We knew that... I'm not going to say it's Adam Silver, because I think Adam Silver likes Tyrese.

For sure. I think he likes the Pacers. And Indiana. Yeah, but this is definitely the networks, you know, being like, ehh. These guys count as... We don't need anybody liking this guy. If he likes it, he's affordable, yeah. We don't need anybody liking this guy.

I did see people tweeting last night, not an NBA fan, but I have adopted the Pacers because of our show and because of Tyrese and everything like that I also saw some Pacers fan saying you should get some of the other guys on the show We'd love to miles Turner's dog TJ McConnell. We've been trying to for two years two years Yeah, we've tried, you know, he's been on team since like he's been on team like five years. That's not true They're complaining. No, they were complaining. They were like continue to showcase They wanted us to continue to showcase this Pacers team because nobody really talks about it. Joining us again, ladies and gentlemen, Tyrese Halliburton.

You were talking about game four, where you were able to respond. Yeah, that was the network shutting you down, brother. They didn't want you to be too liked. They didn't want you to be too... Because you were speaking in three different voices there. They didn't want any of them to be liked. Three? I think you did catch a different one. Yeah.

Yeah. A mixture of the two. Yeah. Yeah, make sure the two yeah Yeah, it's like, you know, and then what's that? The Venn diagram you got the the one over here then you got the other over here and there once a while those things Uh, you know a good tag team wrestling they come together and they're putting a teacher They teach you that in West Virginia. No, no, why did what's I learned a lot of which tag team wrestling? I learned a lot of West Virginia. Tag team wrestling? Yeah, they learned a lot. I learned a lot of West Virginia.

Well, if not tag team wrestling, I was talking more about the Venn diagram, but okay. You saw me draw it, brother. Okay, I might not be able to read the music, but I can certainly play it. Shout out to Nick Cannon and that entire thing. But like whenever you have those voices. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You just, yeah. The movie. Great movie. Drumline? Drumline, hell of a movie. I didn, yeah, you just yeah great movie I didn't like You know, and I don't know what the head guy is named in that entire world or whatever the ball the coach the boss Whatever the head of the P1 Yeah, I appreciate him kind of you know laying laying all the good coaching and everything Yeah, but when push comes shove the fucking guy had it. Yeah, like let's not be worrying about the little things

Let's worry. That's why they shooting him up for the biggest game. Bingo, and they had to. And they knew they had to. Because when he, Pfft, yeah. Well yeah. There was a moment. And it got to composure.

Yeah. One band, one sound. But that guy has a different sound. He does. Yeah, maybe he can't read the music because they weren't able to keep up with him. Nonetheless, you said in game four, you guys were able to dictate the tempo and control it.

And that's kind of how you guys play. That is when you're at your best. And you talked about that game three where Cleveland kind of did that to you guys and won by 40 or whatever the case was. I'm really happy that we didn't have a show the next day. Yeah, me too. Glad it happened on a Friday. Get away from that.

My focus was backlash after that know, after that game. You know, so. Let's not do this too much. I'm getting PTSD. Yeah. My fault. My fault. My focus was on backlash after that.

I didn't even know we had a game three. It's just not under the next one. Yeah. Yeah. Well. Or media. In game three. Yeah.

And also media. Or media. I don't know if that was your decision or if it was team decision. Nonetheless, love that we are moving on to the Eastern Conference Finals. You talk about that game three, where you lose by that massive amount. One guy had 40 points in that game and he was spectacular to watch.

Conman has a question for you Tyrese. Yeah, Tyrese, first of all, thank you for calling yesterday and checking in on me after the Tatum News. That was very nice. Gentlemen. Said you said a prayer immediately. That was a classy move. class A if you will.

But Donovan Mitchell, Pat mentioned it, he was unbelievable when he was playing for the series, obviously he was banged up too. You guys had a little moment after the game, you were covering your mouth as you were talking to him so the lip readers couldn't really decipher what you were saying. What was that conversation like? Was it something along the lines of, hey Cleveland's not that far from Indianapolis. You come and team up with us. We could really run this shit next year again. Or what was that? Would be a great pacer.

Would be great. Would be a great, it feels like he has everything that would be a great pace. Already in the Midwest, he played for Utah. So we know what that's like. So you come to Indy, he would love it. But what was that? What's that like? They are very good. We have more black people in Utah So you come to Indy. He would love it. But what was that? What's that? We have more black people in Utah But no not not at all. I completely disagree, strongly. But what was that back and forth like? Where did you guys kind of leave it?

Did you talk to him after the game or was it just on the court there? Just on the floor there. I've gotten to know him over the last couple of years through CIA. We have the same agency. Our marketing agents are really good friends, so me and Don have gotten to know each other pretty well. I think it was just a show of respect. I think I got a lot of love for Don.

Obviously you guys saw when the crowd was trying to get on me there and it was that game two and he was quieting down the crowd when they were chatting overrated at me. I just wanted to share with them that I couldn't tell them at that moment or during the series, but it meant a lot to me because definitely a peer of mine that I couldn't tell him at that moment or you know during the series But there's been a lot to me, you know Cuz definitely a peer of mine that I have a lot of respect for and you know, yeah the hell of a series unbelievable player So just to show respect there and a guy that I know That I'll see a lot throughout my career, you know being in the same division same conference And so just love competing against the guy great dude great competitor. there was a lot of fun he gets a lot of heat too I tweeted I

tweeted about it was fun to watch him like it was unbelievable to watch this guy this series I don't get to watch as many Cavs game because just like you guys they don't get a lot of respect in the national primetime kind of slots throughout the season and then all anybody responded was like free throw merchant this guy's bullshit it's like what are we watching the same are we watching the same guy? He gets a lot of heat, too Why do you think guys like you guys like him? Maybe don't get as much respect you think it's smaller market stuff. I Mean it's not even that though. It's like I think it's just sometimes They're just miserable sports fans in every sport true

You know there's just people every sport like my if my team is not doing well I gotta talk negative about somebody else or hey, he's doing well against my team I gotta talk negative about him like this is how sports and competition work I mean we all everybody has critics you have critics, you know on here So I have critics and what I do Jesus had critics. We all got critics So like amen, Jesus did didn't he a lot of of critics. Still does. More than most. So you know it's all it's all part of it. Did you imagine if there's social media when Jesus was doing his stuff? Oh my gosh the amount of his mentions? He turned all the water into wine you know

how many retweets that would have got at a wedding just like oh my god you're right because we see O's theist like that dick a number or something like that I couldn't imagine what Jesus content would be Jesus right over out of wine what do we do what about the bread he did some of oh yeah yeah basically took like three fish and three loaves of breads and was like this isn't gonna feed anybody how about I boom make it into 500 fish and 500 love? Oh my god We I mean I would oh shit a lot of people I saw I saw positive put all those fish in Britain. That would be the

I don't believe the water. I mean the water. Yeah. Oh, yeah, jeez people think there's glass something. Oh, he's on a one of those He's just strings holding him up. You see the wires. This is why Chris angels the Haiti gets his bullshit He doesn't get hate. Please. I don't think we should be putting Chris angel directly in the Jesus Christ conversation Angel who we are a fan of I don't think this is the right time to insert him into this convo, but with that being said, what is the sandbar? That's like whatever that... That's what people would say. He said sandbar, he's walking out the whole way. And that's why, you know, that's why people say, I could walk on water and people say it's because I can't swim. You need to just keep going Tyrese, don't listen to any of these people, you know, I will say though you shooting threes You're a much better three-point shooter than anybody gives you credit for I think and what like

Do you agree? Have you always been this way or have you worked on that because I feel like for point guard That is a great weapon to have especially because how much you got to move and then obviously drive dish pass get the ball back Feels like being able to dribble, being able to pass, and being able to shoot a three are like the three most important things for a point guard. Have you had to work on your three or has it always been there? Yeah, I mean, I have to work on it every day. I mean, coming into last night, I had been shooting the ball awful, all playoffs from three.

So, you know, good to see a couple go down. And that second quarter, you know, the game had a chance to get ugly there. And, you know, I to see a couple go down and that second quarter, you know, the game had a chance to get ugly there and, you know, I saw the first one go in, they just felt good from there and, you know, guys kept finding me open. So, just trying to, you know, make the right play. But yeah, I mean, I feel like I've shot over 40% for the majority of my career going back to college and high school. So, you know, I just continue to do what I do.

It's not the prettiest. It's not the prettiest. But that's okay. How did you get there, you think? Were you always shooting like that? Were you small? If you find clips of me from early in high school, I used to have to catch the ball, dip it to my hip, then raise it back and shoot it and then I met this coach coach

B who is my my AU coach all go freshman year all through high school now you know runs my AU program he used to have me do the Mike and drill every day I don't know if you guys know what that is but like you shoot layups you shoot layups on both sides you grab the rebound and shoot it grab it on shoot it and the way most people teach it you grab the rebound and shoot it. The way most people teach it you grab the rebound you dip the ball and you shoot it right? You dip it and that's just human nature but for me he used to put his arm out like in my stomach and if I dip the ball he would just smack it and make me go like kick it across the gym and I would

have to go pick it up. So now he would force me to keep it above my shoulders and then that force that I feel like now if someone gives me a pass high he would force me to keep it above my shoulders and then that force that I feel like now if somebody gives me a pass high I don't have to dip it. You know and that allows me to get it off more efficiently. But yeah I used to have a ugly ugly like hitch and dip to it but you know it all comes it all comes with some work. Yeah but if it falls who cares? I think that has been the for sure that's kind of been the MO of the NBA for a long time. A lot of different styles. Obviously you got like the perfect form guys and then there's the Amari maybe Sean Marion. Sean Marion yeah had like yeah it was just absurd

but if it was falling who cares? I also saw Cat Williams did you see him with lethal shooter? No he didn't miss. He's chest passing that thing and it's splash Splash cat Williams might be hold on. Yeah, he might be going for a 12 there. Whatever it is you guys have I think it should be 12 there for cat Cat is an absolute dog. You guys want him in the room. I think you guys want him in there. He's been working With lethal shooter. Okay, so let's look ahead. Eastern Conference Finals, you're going to watch alongside all of us, I assume, Celtics next Celtics certainly have enough to get the job done. I think they are the champions for a reason. Losing Tatum doing Achilles, not only for this playoff run, but all of

next year sucks. The apps. Hey, Connor, we want to let you and all Celtics fans know, just like Tyree said yesterday to you sucks sucks for the game Sucks for the Celtics sucks all altogether you would I think you said something to Connor But would you like to say something about the Tate of thing? You're obviously a big fan of his that sucks though Yeah, obviously a man sucks to see he was really hooping playing really well And yeah, I think it's I mean, I think everybody think everybody in the basketball world just hates to see that happen. You know, he's had a hell of a year. You know, he's been such a staple for the Celtics organization, for the league.

And so hate to see that happen, but you know, prayers up for him and feel like, you know, he got surgery already. And you know, he's going to heal and come back to be the same guy he is, hopefully. So yeah, man, hate to see that happen. you know, he's gonna heal and come back to be the the the same guy he is hopefully so um, Yeah, man hate to see that happen. That sucks. It absolutely sucks for all of basketball, especially with the reigning champs But I still think have enough but I saw a lot of nicks fans showing up in my comments last night Basically saying they're waiting on us. The world is tone has a question for you Yeah, tyrese Let's let's just say you know the nicks are the favorites to move on and play you guys in the Eastern Conference final I don't know if you know anything

about long-term storytelling we do over here and so does the WWE and they predicted the Eastern Conference finals right here shoot him off Shoot him off. We might need to get some security out here. That ain't work brother. No it's not. That's for shoot. How do you feel about instead of doing a jump ball to start the game, a no holes bar, New York style city street fight to decide who gets ball first. Or just a lock up.

Or just a lock up. You know, maybe just yeah, that might be a I think that might be a time where you know, I Might fake an injury and they got to find a replacement and James Johnson comes out to represent the Indian Pacers, so I Think I think that's how we're that's probably where we'll have to go if that's if that's the case But Logan texted me last night after the game and I was like man Sorry to do it. Sorry to do that to your city And he was like man, this is crazy. You got you and Jalen were with us in the garden and I was like man sorry to do that to your city. And he was like man this is crazy you and Jalen were with us in the garden and I was like yeah let me know if you want to come to a game. So see if Logan or Mr. H would like to come to a game here in Indiana.

They got an open invite. I got seats courtside because you know Pop still ain't coming to the game so they're more than welcome to come join and keep the storytelling going I hope we get a chance to see them here in Indianapolis. Obviously, they would be welcome. Mr. H has a thousand things going on So does Logan Paul, but I think they should at least take a victory lap on what you know They potentially had come together. You just brought up your dad. How's he been through this entire thing? Is he starting to enjoy watching it away from the arena or is he yearning to get back in there so he can let the people know? I think he's enjoying watching it from the house.

They had a little watch party at my house last night, him, my mom, and Jade over here at the crib. I called them after the game. I have a video I can send you. The whole locker room got on the phone with them. Everybody was like free pops to us backwards. You know, the league left it open. They said foreseeable future. So we don't know what the foreseeable future really, I don't know what that means. So we'll see what ends up happening. But yeah, I'm sure he would love to get back in the building. I'm sure he would get a

He'd probably get an ovation. Oh, yeah, just probably yeah The game at that point with the whole with the whole WWE thing I think he needs the they need to like stone cold glass shatter pops walk through the tunnel That would be that'd be pretty throws up the tip and he would live up for the mouth He would live up to the moment too. too I mean let's not get it twisted here pops yeah he he's already he's got a plan already yeah if he's come maybe a t-shirt gun you know with free pops shirts in there boom-bang-pow the boys maybe him and mr. a miss race could come out to DX. Are you ready? Oh.

Meow. That'd be kind of sick. And then your dad just comes out. Where's Adam Silver at? Yep. Goes right up to Adam Silver. That'd be awesome. All right, last thing for me.

LeBron put out a tweet about you. You talked about LeBron. He talked about you after the Olympic experience. Obviously, you're a young lad on that Olympic team. They're expecting you to be calm, if not be the next leader of team United States of America, and maybe you win four gold medals. There's a chance with how young you are in the entirety. But I think you built up a relationship with a lot of guys on that team.

LeBron being one of them. There's a photo of you two flexing your gold medals at the end. But that last sentence there, that boy, nice, very complimentary. Uh, your dad read that and was like, thank you. I agree. And even more someone everyone would love to play with. Do you get a sense about that as a point guard that that's a big deal? Because like you talk about being a coach on the field in our world, you're

also like the quarterback out there. And it feels like the point guard has to be well liked by his teammates. I feel like the point guard has to be look out for his teammates before he looks out for himself. Is that kind of your mindset? Do you think you're like a throwback style point guard, which is why maybe LeBron and the other boys enjoy your style of play? I just feel like I'm maybe part of a maybe a little bit of a dying breed in our league I feel like I'm you know a true pass first point guard. You know I feel like that's not As common these days But I just try to play the game the right way man try to you know I want to play the right way, and I want to win those that's the most important thing for me

So I'm I'm sure it's easy every mean, people would want to play with me. Yeah, if we're winning, I'm sure people would love to play alongside me. But I think our group, just our group in general, I think we have a group that people enjoy to watch, people enjoy to cheer for. I think that's why we got, you know, our fans here in Indiana love getting behind this group. And, you know, we're getting people like like you out of you know You said the Pacers kind of kept that arms distance for we're bringing you back in You know you're back in and that's happening with a lot of people out there. That's that's cool to see and Yeah, the broad thing is super super cool. We texted back and forth last night

You know, there's got a lot've grown a lot of cool relationships, you know, from that Olympic experience. And it's been really cool, but yeah, we're not done. We still got a lot to go. Okay, let LeBron know next time you text him. We appreciate the hell out of him for the LeBron conversation. LeBron conversation, LeBron conversation.

I'll make sure I let him know. Yeah, please do. I've not talked to him since then, but please let him know. So I've tried to say it publicly, so maybe it'll make way to him We are very thankful for the LeBron conversation and we are still all very amazed with how fucking big he is You all are so big like I watched that clip I don't know if you saw it earlier

We ran the clip from the smackdown before rumble when you came out with me and Michael Cole and it's like I am Clearly, you know and you're nowhere near the tallest guy on the court you and be look at look how big you are Look at just look how tall you are. I don't want to call you like abnormal, but you get it you NBA guys Are a special special type of athlete and what you and the Pacers are doing has been nothing short of magical here in this city We appreciate the hell out of it. Enjoy your day. Tell the family tell jade we said what's up and uh thank you for making time yeah appreciate you guys pat all i know is you better come to the commerce finals again okay that's all i know yeah yeah got nothing but time no no no no no yeah yeah no we got nothing but time you better be at the game it's race day man yeah game three is paces and racers right in the morning. Yeah, you can make game three happen to can't make game three happen. You can make game

Yeah, of course, of course. I'm loud at my house when I'm watching these legs kicked up. Yeah, it's really nice Hey, they so no more legs kicked up court. You need to be court. I got you. I got you guys I got you. I got you. You guys gonna let me Anymore we don't wrap it up anymore. Okay, that's what we learned That's what we learned from last year's playoff run. Got it. Got it. Yes, but we can give you a mic and let you You know do your promo, you know, Stephanie McMahon Stephanie's place says you learned promos from you we could You know you get your promo off right there. Hey, that was a pretty good episode. Wasn't it? That's that was a great episode Yeah, great episode. I watched it. I was a great episode. Yeah. Great episode. I watched it.

I was like, man, you guys were like really nice to me. That never happened. Normally, whenever I take my time to talk to somebody and they're either writing something or creating something, it's just a burial of me. And it's like, oh, I'm happy I spent my time doing that with you. I didn't know that was an angle that you could even take

from what we talked about. They were very kind to me me Stephanie is very cool to me And I think it told the story well of how much wrestling can do and how much wrestling can you know help folks? And I think you're one of the people that believe the same thing as do we and I can't wait to watch you do your thing in the ECF brother. Good luck the rest of the way Yeah, pretty good bro. Appreciate it guys. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen Tyrese Halliburton Perfect superstar. Yeah, pretty good bro. Appreciate it guys. You're the man ladies and gentlemen Tyrese Halliburton Perfect superstar. Yeah, especially for Indiana Absolutely, but if he was even in a big city, I think I'd be especially with the shit he does in a way

He plays yeah, cuz he's kind of a nerd, you know, he has nerdy Qualities about him. I think he said something about Catan Catan Yeah, he said I don't play chess before but I think I played katan which I think is like a similar thing or whatever Well loves wrestling as do we so I'm not saying like that's nerd But like a lot of the things he's interested in that once I was say They're talking about that but it's like video. Like everything about him is like maybe more relatable than any NBA superstar that I've ever encountered. But then on the court, dog.

Yes. Like absolute dog on the court. And he wants his team to do what? Point guard. Like that is literally what he wants. It's been perfect for him here in Indy. Well, that's why some of these small market teams, like we talk about how the NBA doesn't see, a lot of fans don't see teams like Indiana because they're small market

But now these small market teams have massive stars like Halliburton I mean Minnesota with Ann Edwards Oklahoma City with SGA like four of the last you know Four teams possibly or three of the last four teams possibly will have these smaller markets But why is Denver What's Denver? What's Denver considering as small? I think they're small, but because they just won a title a few years ago, they've been on a much bigger market because of the- They're bigger than the other ones. Three MVPs, yeah.

I mean, Colorado, they went on that run where the Avs won a title, the freaking Nuggets won a title, and all those things. So they're getting bigger. Yeah, I think think so basketball's in a good spot a lot of young superstars yeah Brunson if it is Brunson and Tyrese that's yeah here we go brother cinema is about to take place we will be off tomorrow in Friday because the PGA championship is being covered by ESPN obviously this is massive in the golf world all the megastars will be golfing at Quail Hollow. Joining us now is a man who is a megastar.

Ladies and gentlemen, ESPN's southern hospitality, Marty Smith. Yeah, for me! Hooray! How you doing? Gentlemen, how are we doing this fine day? I look like Skeletor in this overhead sunlight out here. Beautiful Quail Hollow.

Yeah, I think it means- We're out here. Beautiful quail hollow. Yeah, I think I mean we're out here. What do you think about this view, Patty? That's not bad. Where are we at? We're at the driving range right now. Everybody's getting warmed up, getting loose for today. Yep. We're out here at the driving range and I just had a great conversation with Rory McIlroy, who of course, along with Scot Schaeffler are your betting favorites this weekend here in the PGA championship and for Rory with great reason. Won the players championship already, finally won the Masters tournament and thereby the career grand slam along with it and I've known him a long time. I've rarely, I don't know if I've ever seen him this emotionally free as a result of that victory.

I was just talking with Rory and his caddy about winning Augusta. And he said earlier today that he won't watch it anymore on TV. He won't go back and watch the footage of that victory at Augusta because he wants to remember it the way he lived it in the film strip of his mind. And I just think that's fantastic.

Yeah, I think so too, especially cause you could see the weight, you know, kind of leaving his body. You talk about him being mentally free. We saw the moment where it all happened. And if Rory can get back to what we thought Rory was going to be, what, like five, six years ago? I mean, absolute weapons.

Scotty Sheffield, though, you talk about the favorites for this weekend, favorites for any golf tournament. This guy's just as different animal whenever it comes to golfing. What is Scotty Scheffler's vibe like? And is this a course you think that Scotty Scheffler is going to do well on? Not that Scotty Scheffler has any weak courses, but is this a course that Scotty Scheffler should be able to slice and dice? Absolutely, to your point. There there is no weakness the guy does everything well and on top of that Pat going back to the emotion of the lives these guys live. Scottie Scheffler is the most unaffected number one player in the

world, elite athlete, global icon that you'll ever meet. The guy just doesn't define himself based on his sport. He defines himself based on the husband he is and the father he is, and he's a man of faith. He lets those things define him, not the game at which he's the best in the world. And so I admire that. I know a lot of other people do, but certainly the way that he strikes the golf ball, the respect he has out here, he's gonna be formidable.

And as good as Rory's been playing, Scotty is the favorite. Let me just take you guys on a little walk. Yeah, please, where are we? So we're at the driving range where everybody's warming up. Wednesdays are normally like pro-am or is this practice day? It is a practice day. We've had terrible weather here in Charlotte, but I wanted to show you guys something.

Hopefully our boy Tyrese Halliburton is still watching Right there America what's up, buddy? That is the Larry O'Brien trophy that Tyrese and his boys are chasing after Along with any other elite players. Not cool. Yeah, not cool. They gave me a nice little lapel pin. I feel official Thank you guys for that Our great friends at the NBA. Hey, let's get that Indiana here in a couple weeks You know, let's get that thing to Indiana down the range here and I gotta be a little muted. This is golf Okay. Yeah, I'm gonna be a little muted. Okay, check this out. Okay. Here's our boy Max Homa Okay, Homas got a good swing. Let's judge this friend of the show. Let's just watch this for a second

Oh good swing casual in shorts. He likes it. Hopefully that shots good. Okay. There we go smaller calves They're in shorts Marty we're allowed to wear shorts Where do you go? Oh, there he is. Yeah, they can wear shorts out here But during practice right good no shot by Morty Marty there. We're seeing right up your nose I like that you have I'm trying. Oh, can you see my nose hair? My bad. Yeah, no, you trimmed it. It's very properly trimmed. Max Homa. Oh, he likes it. Hey, that's a good, that's a good motion there. Absolutely pure, just pure voice. Go down here. Maybe we can, maybe we can say there's

Nick Dunlap. He's roll tight.. Hey Roll Tide, Roll Tide. He's Roll Tide. I'm sure he believes in Gabor. Great resilience at Augusta, shot 90 on the first day, did not withdraw, did not quit, and came out and finished. I love that. We should talk to Keith Mitchell. Keith Mitchell's Go Dogs.

Go Dogs? He's one of the great, he's one of the all time great Americans. Keith Mitchell, hey Go Dogs, you're on TV right now. Go-time great Americans Dogs you're on TV right now. Go dogs. Go dogs How do we feel how do we feel how's the ball coming off the club? It's good. We're trying to hit our numbers here, but you know, I got a man in a suit and tie over here talking to me So it's a little tough. What do you think about my pants? I think they're very Golf with those pants, jeez! How the hell are you guys supposed to golf with those pants, Marty?

Jeez, Louise. We just turned on the neon lights. Give us a quick preview of the tournament. What's the course like? What's the course playing like? It's sloppy. I mean, I mean that because of the rain. It's in perfect condition.

It's just soaking wet out there, but they have the system under the greens that sucks all the water out and it's playing firm. The greens are firm and fast and the fairways are soaking wet and slow. So what's that mean? Whoever can hit it. It that means you have to hit it really far and really high. Oh, cause then it's yes. And do you know what, do you know what cashmere Keith Mitchell leans on when he

asked to hit it really far and really high? What's that? The greatest chest hair on the PGA tour. I mean that, that man, that man has some meat sauce in him. He just lets it. God, I thought there was some golf analysis coming. Oh this guy has the best seven iron, maybe. I thought it was coming. No, Patty. No, sir. It's really all about the chest hair. Before we interrupt somebody else at the driving range, which is awesome, we need to do this every single tournament with you Marty, this is fantastic. I just learned a lot there. Yeah sloppy fairways. Yeah hard greens They got a drying system underneath that everything else is potentially gonna be a little thick

I don't know who that benefits, but I'm gonna bet on the guy with some chest hair now There's another person on the favorites list there from the ESPN bet tone digs has a question for you Marty Yeah, Marty when we were looking at the favorites there obviously Bryson DeChambeau from Liv is up there plus 800 it feels like he's the only one from Liv that we can kind of trust right now to go out every major tournament and put and put out and show up like what's going on with Rambo and Brooks Kapka obviously Ram's up there plus 2,000 but it feels like those two in the last couple years you can't really rely on them what's going on with the the rest of the Liv and obviously, you know those top two

Well first with with Bryson, you're so right. He is so well prepared every time we come into major championships Of course won the US Open last year at Pinehurst Outlasting Rory McElroy, but it is interesting with with Brooks who's one of the greatest major champions there's ever been. You know that when we're on these stages, he's going to be there. But it has been a struggle since he won the PGA Championship a couple years ago. And Dustin Johnson, he's a major champion multiple times over.

Where has he been? Rambo, a master's champion, a multiple major champion, where has he been? A lot of people will tell you it's because Liv Doesn't have the same intensity or require the same focus that the PGA tour does those guys will scoff at that But that is most certainly a narrative out here that because those guys got all of that money That that they've gotten complacent. They don't they that. And certainly Brooks, and I will tell you, having known him pretty well for a long time and someone that I consider a friend,

I think that he is incredibly focused this weekend to go fly the bird at that narrative. Okay, I like to hear that because Brooks hunting in the weekend just looks so cool. Everything just looks so cool when Brooks is around. And Rambo, to digs his point,, I mean he was about to take over golf. Yeah. A little three-quarter swing we learned a story about his birth foot. Yeah club foot. Club foot or whatever which is reason why his swing is the way it is.

We loved old Rambo and I didn't blame him for getting 150 million but when you're sleeping on satin sheets Marty they say sometimes it's hard to want to wake up and get punched in the face You know it gets a little bit of a different different animal in that entire thing And I think that hundred fifty million numbers a little bit a conservative estimate there I think that number was fatter than that sir. I think his wallet is much fatter than that every double well maybe Maybe at some point you get past the honeymoon phase of like, wow, I am ridiculously wealthy and get back to playing great golf.

Well, man, they're competitors. Yes. Down in here. They are competitors and they desperately on these stages when they're back aligned with the PGA Tour and major championships, they want to prove it. And I can guarantee you that any narrative that they aren't as prepared as they once were pisses them

off. And so we'll see how they respond to that. To your point, it hasn't been, there hasn't been a whole lot of competitiveness from Liv other than Bryson in recent years but all of those guys are really good, really good. And I would love to see one of those guys in contention here on Sunday evening. All right, Marty. In beautiful Charlotte, North Carolina. We have a hard out in two minutes, real quick.

The PGA Championship has Scottie, Rory, and Xander golfing together for the first two rounds. You talk about everybody being competitors. Who do you think this best, do you think this helps all three? Do you think like- I do. Yeah, okay, go ahead.

I do think it helps all three because when you're sitting there and witnessing firsthand, you don't have to look up at a leaderboard to see who's doing what. These are three of the best players in the world and have been for many years now. Of course, Xander won two major championships last year. Rory just won the Masters and Scottie's the best player in the world and have been for many years now. Of course, Xander won two major championships last year. Rory just won the Masters and Scottie is the best player in the world.

So they're gonna be in a position where they're seeing real time for a couple days what the best in the world are doing out here at Quail Hollow. And I think that they all three will ratchet up their game to another level. Now Xander, of course, he's been battling a little bit of an injury. It's been a little bit of an inconsistent year so far, but he's been fantastic in major championships the past couple years. It's gonna be, that grouping is just gonna be fascinating to watch. Can't wait. Yeah, me neither. And Connor's got the last one for you quick. Yeah, Marty, real quick. You have any ball jangles from McGee down there in Charlotte? Well, you have any Bojangles from McGee down there in Charlotte?

Well, I know that a lot of people in the national viewership and the national consciousness may not really understand the, just what Bojangles is, okay? When LeBron James is is when it is must eat anytime he comes near Charlotte North Carolina you know it's the truth it is a Charlotte state all right wait a minute wait a minute best sweet tea in the world I'm not gonna let you boys out there put sugar in your thingy. That's Marty Smith. Thank you, Marty. Thank you, Marty. Sports are happening all around us and we're lucky that we get a chance to chat about it. Last night, the Indiana Pacers,

who were led by Tyrese Halliburton, Miles Turner, Paschal Siakam, Nemhard, Neif Smith, TJ McConnell, and Rick Carlile as the head coach Punched their ticket to the Eastern Conference Finals for the second year in a row Tyree Salliburton was voted the most overrated player in the NBA by the New York Times Athletic poll and what did they do? They just knocked off the number one seed in Cleveland last night Now who will they play in that Eastern Conference Finals? Will it be the Boston Celtics who just learned

yesterday that their worst fears have become a reality. Jason Tatum tore his Achilles tendon in a game in which he was about to score 40. I think he maybe already scored 40 against the New York Knicks. He'll be out for the rest of the playoffs obviously and then obviously I think out all of next year as well. An absolute bummer for the sport of basketball and not out for the rest of the playoffs, obviously, and then obviously, I think out all of next year as well. An absolute bummer for the sport of basketball and not great for the association and obviously sucks for all Boston Celtics fan, but the rest of their team is still stacked

and still have championship pedigree as they take on a New York Knicks team. That if the game is close in the fourth quarter, that man, the Brunson banner, Jalen Brunson will make it a Knicks win as opposed to a Knicks loss. Carl Anthony Towns was traded over there and the rest of that Knicks squad is built for the moment seemingly

and all of New York City is rallying behind them. They could potentially punch their ticket as well as underdogs in Boston. A four and a half point second was started at seven o'clock on TNT and TruTV. Who will be seeing the Pacers in the Eastern Conference finals? Let's go to the talk stable at Boston corner at Ty Schmidt Ty How do you feel about the Boston Celtics chances without Tatum? Do you think this is a Knicks game? Obviously to win I kind of get a sense that Celtics win tonight just because they're not like there's no way they're supposed to win Yeah, no, I'm kind of in the same camp as Connor

I think there's a good chance that they do win this game tonight But when you're a Celtics fan or you know, anyone on the Celtics like you win the NBA championship last year So like they don't give a shit about just making it to the Eastern Conference Finals and it does seem like it's quite the tall Task for them to win another championship and go back to back without Tatum That's just that's a big part of the offense, a big part of the team that you're gonna have to try to replace. But I do think they will probably get it done tonight.

And then, you know, ultimately the Knicks will close them out. We are not basketball handicappers. No. Okay. We are not doing any of that. I've been telling you since January, that the Pacers are the best team in the NBA, just strictly because I've been watching them. And their record has been the best. But this feels like in sports when

Something's not supposed to happen it happens like this just feels like through our history of gambling on Both our sport of football and random sports in the offseason when you feel like there's no chance now The Celtics being favored by four and a half kind of tells us that they the books thinking the same thing But in my eyes this seems to set up for a Celtics win just because it would be unexpected now let's go to one half of the hammer done Cowboys AP tone I say all that while also understanding that this team in the fourth quarter is the best team in the league with what they have to do they've been unbelievable in the fourth quarter and Brunson has obviously been unbelievable in the fourth quarter but like let's take a look at Jalen Brown. I believe he was the MVP of the finals last year. Drew Holiday and Derek White

were both on Team USA this summer. Chris Stops Porzingis is still there. Al Horford is still there. The Cupbirds are not bare in Boston. Now the Knicks are minus 600 to win the series. Obviously not favorites tonight, but I think there's definitely a world that we live in where the this series is not over Yeah, I saw that Nick's fans just being like yeah, we'll see you there. We'll see you there. It's like Just like whenever everybody's saying the Pacers are gonna get past the Cavs It's like maybe like this is best of seven for a reason Crazier things have happened don't think it's possible with the way this Nick's team is built for them to overlook anybody You are kind of laying egg, But there's a chance that it happens and that's why you know this association best of seven playoffs has been so electrifying

Yeah, it's been awesome. Look, we're not some rinky-dink operation. Okay, this is a Boston Celtics We're talking about so sure a game five. How much you guys sell for this year? It's six billion dollars, which got left off of some people's Evaluations of teens which again everyone's's bullshit everyone sucks. So I don't care I'm looking forward to the broadcast on TNT and I think it's gonna be a start to finish master class just because there's a lot To talk about but like I was just about to say we're the Boston Celtics Okay, I understand some teams just want to get to the Eastern Conference finals and in this situation We have now fallen into that category as a team that would be

happy to advance. But we're about banners, okay? We have the most banners in NBA history for a reason. We only are playing for banners. We don't give a shit about beating the Knicks in the round two. We don't give a shit about beating the Pacers in the Eastern Conference Finals. We give a shit about winning this trophy right here to Larry O'Bee Which I thought was interesting. They got a fake one at the PGA Championship There's a real ones sitting right here next to me. So I mean it's cool. It would be a great story

I'm excited to watch the game tonight I'm excited to watch Jaylin and you know, Derek White and Drew and support my boys. But again without My boy Jason Tatum who leads the team in points, assists, rebounds, and I believe minutes it's going to be hard to get me to think yeah we're going to be able to go and raise Banner 19 without him but I can also see Jalen Brown saying we did this one for Jason, this Banner is for Tatum. This one's for Jason. Bingo.

Joining us now is a man who's in an attic in Ohio. I'll be excited to get his thoughts on all of this and anything else that he's maybe stewing on because that's what this guy does. He does. He stews on stuff. He does. He's a college football national champion. He's a Super Bowl champion.

He's a Ryder Cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawke. What are you stewing on AJ? Is it the fact that they said that Tyrese was the most overrated player in the league and now they're in the Eastern Conference finals or what's really's really you know driving you wild right now in the sports world? Well yeah you know I do sit and stew on things so I appreciate you let me get that out. When you guys are talking about this this Celtics-Nix game I feel like either Celtics find a way to win this thing or they get routed or they get blown out and it's over like halfway through the third. That's what I view this game tonight as. So the

interesting thing about that is a lot of these games in the NBA playoffs have been blowouts at one point during the game. And then granted Pacers lose by 40, Knicks lost by 30 or whatever it was in the game three whenever they were up 2-0. So like there was a couple games that have been blowouts. I understand that. But in the fourth quarter all these games have basically come back. It's definitely a game of runs always. You're right. I mean a 20 point lead is, that's nothing. Last night. That's happened last night and it's happened again against the Pacers a couple weeks ago. And then I think the Nuggets were down at one point and then they were able to come back.

It's been like, it's been on a very regular base. Almost like, remember football. A 14 point lead in football like five years ago was like, you're're in a good spot insurmountable yeah you can't come back you're gonna get if it's halfway through the third or later it's like oh no this one we're gonna start bringing out trick plays like we're gonna start trying to figure this out now like 17 points even like 20 points in the NFL is attainable pretty quickly without explosive things have gotten It's not just the NFL obviously where people have gotten more talented

on offensive side of ball, basketball as well. I mean, there's like 19-2 runs that happen out of nowhere. And for some reason, I know statisticians can't find it in their souls to believe in it, but once one falls for a team and then a crowd starts building, it feels like that next one,

there's a little bit more surface area on that hoop and whenever these runs start happening especially at home for these teams it is electrifying and if you're on the other side you just got to be you got to be holding on for dear life and just hoping that a foul comes or you make a big shot and that's the thing about this Pacers team what I've liked about them and I think probably Knicks fans will say the same thing when the Cavs would go on a run and it felt like they were getting their momentum like the Pacers team, what I've liked about them, and I think probably Knicks fans will say the same thing, when the Cavs would go on a run and it felt like they were getting their momentum, like the Pacers in the face of their fans and momentum, they would knock down a massive shot and it's like boom right there you just put everything to sleep, but if you miss a couple of those, that thing's

going the other way rapidly and that's what the story of this playoffs has been for the NBA in my eyes. Yeah I mean last night the Pacers like when they were down 20 you know I was getting to the point where I was almost like all right I'm gonna you know flip channels and I'll check back in during the next game and then Tyrese hits a couple threes like they they cut that 20 point lead to you know nine like in under a minute you know so it's like how quickly things can happen is crazy. And again, I said this a couple of weeks ago, that's what I think the biggest difference

between playoff basketball and regular season basketball is, is we see those blowouts in the regular season. Teams will kinda, whether it's load management or whatever, yeah, exactly, teams will be like, hey, we're down 20 in the third quarter, it's not our night, we got another game tomorrow, the next game. In the playoffs, that's not the case at all.

And when we will see these leads more often than not, you know, get cut down and, and games are coming down to the last couple of possessions in most of the playoffs. Which is why the Celtics have been losing. Yeah, exactly. Because the Knicks in the fourth quarter, they've been knocking down the shots and the Celtics haven't.

No matter what happens in the first three quarters, it's always coming down to like the final four minutes I went to sleep last night pretty late in that game nuggets were up it's like nuggets are gonna win this game congrats the Joker he's kind of shut everybody up everybody's been talking shit on him and I wake up in the morning it's like they missed three shots and Oklahoma City made three shots yeah and then they made their free throws over you lose the game it's out of reach now all of a sudden it's like I um I've been impressed with this year's NBA playoffs. Yeah the stat everyone's talking about with the Knicks Celtics is the Knicks

have only led for like 24 minutes and 50 seconds in the entire series and obviously it's 3-1 but I feel like tonight will be either a Celtics you know shoot 30 percent from the field and get killed or they make 30 three-po pointers and are just absolutely rolling. I will be excited to see if Tatum's there, a quick couple days after an operation. Maybe he's up in a suite with his leg kicked up and people are going nuts for him and it's a hell of an atmosphere. Or maybe the Knicks just say, you know what, it's been a good run, but it's MSG season, baby, we got home court advantage.

If we beat these Celtics, let's just get it done in five, and we don't have to worry about anybody getting, you know, tired in this next series here. Yeah, and the story of the Knicks-Pasters last year was the Knicks got hurt, ran out of gas, and the Pacers ran them off the court and went into Madison Square Garden and did it, did some gardening. Yeah, exactly. Did some gardening. I remember that.

And it's become a great rivalry, I think personally. The Knicks and the Pacers already with the young crew Let's go to one half of the hammer. Dad Cowboys AP tone Yeah, something you guys are talking about there as far as second half comebacks Now this is not coming back to win But teams that trail at half are now 70% against the second half spread in this year's NBA playoffs They've covered 10 in a row So if you were to take the team that was down second half spread they have covered 10 in a row. So if you were to take the team that was down, second half spread, they have covered 10 in a row

in these NBA playoffs. Good for them. Yeah. Good for those teams. Good for the betters too. Backdoor, backdoor, backdoor, backdoor. Yes. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen,

is not an NBA player. He's actually a Pro Bowl NFLer. I think he's been to the Pro Bowl four times. If Connor's math was right, here on this particular sheet. He's also a guy, I think he owns a race team or a drifting team. You already snow, ladies and gentlemen. Tackle for the Buffalo Bills, Dion Duckey. Yeah, Dion.

You already snow, baby. How you doing? What up, man? Hey, how have you been? How's the off season been? I saw you promoting the NLL Buffalo Bandits the NLL lacrosse team up there How's that going? Are you a fan of the team? Yeah, I'm a fan of sports, bro. I like sports I like people that compete anybody that can get on a big stage and perform under lights. It's cool

You know, I've been at all the WWE events. I've been all over the place, bro I enjoy it. I enjoy being at events and I enjoy spectating. It's pretty cool. Yeah I enjoy watching people do their thing, you know Cuz we have yeah how much work has been put in beforehand to get to that moment Now let's talk about the work that beforehand to get to the moment. What does the offseason look like for you? Do you on when does everything get started for the Buffalo? Oh, we're driving. We're driving. Yeah, we're driving bro Yeah, and we're driving we're driving Now that's what my off season

It looks like but you know, it's otas now so uh bouncing back and forth from buffalo to florida to atlanta to Virginia this weekend, but uh, I come I work out for four days a week and then friday saturday and sunday i'm probably drifting my drift car and uh enjoying the family Um, i'm trying to just balance it at all. And it's been a good balance, but you know, I try to just have fun, bro. Like life is short.

I've been seeing that stuff is happening in the world, bro. Do what you like to do. May I like to wrestle? I like to play. I like to have fun. I like to do drifting and I'm gonna spend the tires, dog. I've been following along on Instagram and watching you, I mean, he's the we're real. Hey, we are professional guys

It's it's a real thing Pat. It is a it is a real thing, bro I'm telling you I know that everybody wants a piece of Pat But I'm telling you if you want to experience something that you have never experienced before of a thrill and a rush Getting a drift car with snow, please just get a good car with snow Okay, it's one of those things that you don't even know exists until you get in it. You're like, bro, why have I not been doing this my whole freaking life? Yeah, I had a, I have a Mustang. 650 pound, he's going to the back two wheels.

Yeah, I've done some drifting in my day. I've done some drifting in my day. That is insane. I actually have a, I have a Mustang being built right now from Justin Pollock who was an FD driver and it is a Mustang Roush is the sponsor and Roush is donating all the supercharger and all the stuff and I agree the 650 horse Powers. Yes, it's beautiful. But you know what you're doing if you're talking that type of number in the in the horse wings

Well, I did know what I was doing. Yeah, I I took that Shelby. Okay, and I was very comfortable. Okay, I'm fluttering with the clutch I'm Yeah, yeah, I'm working this thing You know and I I got too confident I think so I have a little I and one of my houses I will round about in front of the house You know a little sir. Yeah, you know yeah we're successful super successful yeah yeah it was cool to have that very cool to have that yeah super cool until it's not so I you know had the wife in the car first time having the show oh man it's tripping yeah yeah don't do that

just scare them to death well almost kill them too so so it was first time I had Shelby out in like two years. I hadn't had it out in a while, you know, just was excited about it. I was like, Oh, I'm gonna drift this thing around the whole thing, right? Like I thought it was really good start Yeah, crazy pull the ebrake are you here is the little guy on your shoulder go Yeah, well what I heard was pothole pothole back right wheel hits pothole. Oh, that's not yeah Yeah, yeah into a tree. Yeah.

Boom. Yeah, Shelby had to go shop bear. And the wife at the time, girlfriend, not the most impressed I learned quickly. And yeah, it was a wild time. So that's the last time I drifted a car. But with that being said, would love to sit passenger while you are

snowing me around the damn drift course. pat like where we drift that like up here in Buffalo. It's a it's a open blacktop So we don't have no potholes. It's all flat. It's all open and then we go in between and but the building So that's maybe the only part where you can get loose if he but besides that it's all a complete blacktop But I want to ask you something Pat I don't ever like want to hijack bro. Can you tell me about backlash, please? I watched I am a fan I love it. I was rooting for you. I was like, please kick conters as I Freaking love it. You are a freaking stud bro. Thank you. The black and blue bro I'm telling you bro. It is it is it is the real deal bro

No, but all new Bruce that I had no idea Well, first of all, I knew that you wrestled and that you had history of wrestling and you were actually a wrestler for years But bro the back flip off the top turnbuckle I'm telling you bro people don't understand the athletic ability to be able to do that and then land and then about to get suplexed And then come out the suplex with the Jordan 11's on. Yeah It's crazy. You already snow brother. You already snow brother. Yeah, I appreciate you doing that and Yeah, I mean I was trying to get him with the one two three kids moonsault there

He obviously ring general moves out of the way here. I'm like, well, he just German suplex me two times Legs give up from underneath me there. uh was trying to land on a feet and right here oh my god this is it big punch kick his head boom good there's done one no yeah he tried to choke you out and try to come on yeah he did he did I'd take a stand you know yeah He did. I had to take a stand, you know? Yeah. Boom! Boom! Boom!

Boom! I think he was worried. The gut. The gut. Yeah. The gut of Guth. Yeah, Gunter didn't take it anymore. I thought I had him. I was thinking sidewalks.

I'm just trying to remember what other people would do. Man, you should have did a swan top ball off the top turnbuckle. So the swan Tony bombini was certainly something I was thinking about trying to add in there. I do a little gratsi Up there it was obviously It wasn't a fun experience for me for Cole was worse

I think yeah there was for me because Cole felt terrible about the entire thing that was happening because he put us in I believe it entire situation. It was his fault. I was in there, but it was obviously When you're about six minutes into that thing, seven minutes into that thing, you already snow. Yeah, we are blowing up in that entire thing. But also it's a realization. Oh, we're beating the shit out of each other in here. Yeah, that is what this is. And it's a, it's quite a, boom, smacked him off.

It was a lot of that. He, uh, it was awesome. I think you would be great. I think you would be great in there too. Yeah, I mean, I still, I'm still bruised up pretty good. I mean, I'm still. Man, look, but the next time you get to practicing, bro, let me know, man.

I will come and practice with you, dog. I'm telling you, cause next time, maybe tag team champions though, we can kick their ass, man. Yeah. We can kick their ass, man. We can kick their ass, man. I think you would have been a phenomenal professional wrestler. Yeah.

Big boots to the face. JBL. You know what I'm saying? Like the real, you know what I'm saying? Clothesline from hell. Yeah. Clothesline from hell. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. I've got a couple of those this weekend. I'll tell you what, those are devastating. Those certainly are devastating. And I don't know if it's directly from hell, but I sure felt hell was coming with Hi, let's look from heaven. Let's talk a little football

For the Buffalo Beals. What do you think is the thing that gets you guys over the hump? I don't say over the hump, but you get it What do you think gets you guys to take the next step? Obviously elite team elite program elite vibes It sounds like in that building culture Elite team, elite program, elite vibes, it sounds like, in that building, culture, fantastic. What do you think it is this year that maybe you guys either have, or what do you think you talk about going into the year? You know, I think just to keep it of what it is,

it's just the opportunity. All we need is the opportunity again, and we'll see what happens, because we have everything that we have, and we have everything that we need, but I think that the biggest thing is honestly just be able to get ourselves in a position to have the opportunity to take another swing out of it swing at it um that's it like we don't need another player we don't need another this another that we just need ourselves

to just tone in on finishing and is having the opportunity and getting ourselves to be able to have the opportunity to go forward again. Hell yeah. Because it's hard. It's hard to get to that distance of a season, but to be able to get there, you know, that's what it is. But we have to be there to have another swing out of it. And when we get there, it'll be special. A lot of things have to go your way to get that far in elite. A lot of things. A lot of things have to go your way. A lot of luck has to happen. A lot of balls have to bounce your way. That's why what the Patriots were able to do for 20 years is just absolutely absurd.

But you guys as well, we've had a lot of success. Obviously haven't had the massive success that Chiefs Eagles have had, but being around is just a very difficult thing. Excited to watch you guys break through. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Dion, as far as you personally, how was your like we're in the heart of your off-season workouts right now,

everything you're doing with the team. How was your off-season changed from when you first got in the league until now like as far as physically and mentally what you have to do to get ready for the season? Yeah man it's been uh like the older and but you get you learn how to maintain and protect your body. I think uh a lot of I mean I don't want to and protect your body I think a lot of I mean I don't want to cheat code it but I do a lot of Pilates I do a lot of Pilates I do a lot of reform I do a lot of stretching and I rest I rest I rest when I can but the lack of rest can hurt I do a lot but while I'm traveling I sleep if I'm not at performing I'm. If I'm not at performing, I'm sleeping.

If I'm not doing something, I'm stretching. I think that that has been the biggest difference in my career as I do a lot of stretching with Pilates and I rest when I'm not performing. I do a lot, but when I can get a 15 minutes here, 20 minutes there, those add up over time and I've trained in my body to be able to sleep whenever I choose to and I think that that's what is beautiful about it because of moving around so much you have to be able to just sit back and just Turn the switch off and I've been doing that and that's been been great but in a mental part too is just understanding who I am and not cheating on and myself and

Understanding that I'm not perfect and just to be free, just try to be as free as possible and don't cause no extra added stress that is unnecessary. Love your vibes, love everything about the way you approach life. It is fantastic. There needs to be more Dion Dawkins. There won't because of how big, strong, fast, athletic

you are with this mindset is absurd. You said you can fall asleep. So you can fall asleep like sitting up. You can do all that stuff. You're like- Not standing up, but as I'm sitting here in this chair, yes, I can sit here and I can just work on my breathing

and just breathe and breathe. And then all of a sudden it'll be, and that's like a military technique. But like I've listened and I've learned, but yeah. What is it? Is it that in for eight, four, eight, 12, or whatever it is the, Yes.

Is that what you do? Yes. It does work. Okay. It's like, it feels like it's a up, up, down, down, left, right for your body. Like you, It's a joystick, a grand theft auto cheat code type of thing. Yeah. What is it?

You breathe in for a certain amount of time. You hold for a certain amount of time. You breathe out for a certain amount of time, then you have no air for a certain amount of time. It's called like block or box or square. Is it box breathing? Box breathing or something like that. Yeah, I uh whatever but the name is yeah like it's it's but it's literally all off of breathing like you have to just hold and your breaths deep breaths in and just kind of just slow your heart rate down just slow it, slow it down and then you just- Don't fall asleep, don't fall asleep, Dion.

We need you right now. Yeah. Yeah, don't fall asleep. Don't, Dion. Yardy Snow, wakey, wakey. Wakey, wakey. He's getting rest for the season. He's gonna have a good season.

He's got his skull with two minutes or whatever. All right, let's talk about the season. Got some new teammates. Go ahead, Con Man. Yeah, Dion, big addition for you guys on the D line was Joey Bosa. Have you been able to talk to him? Is that something you're looking forward to, just learning kind of his thoughts

and tricks of the trade when it comes to dealing with certain pass rushers? Yeah, so I've known Joey for a little while, but now that I get the opportunity to speak to him, our first conversation was real Joey like He's definitely a football guy, but we talked about bunkers. We talked about bunkers and it was pretty cool, bro It was like yeah, bro I kind of just want a bunker just in case if anything happens and and that was the Joey snow a conversation

It was about being out in the country and about bunkers Which is a very unique thing cuz I'm like blacktop very in your face and it's like yeah I just want to go in a bunker and that's cool it's super cool but yeah Joey is a great player he works out hard he's here he's present and as a as a teammate knowing and receiving new teammates the guys that choose to be present when he doesn't have to be because he's already at a certain level. I respect it. Cause like, you know, right?

Like he's had a contract, he has his life, he has his life and he doesn't have to be here yet, but he understands that this is our model to be present and being present and that he just came in and grabbed on board, you know, I'm okay with it, like he gets my head nod and my thumb up, but I like Joey. And I think bunker Joey, Joey snowy conversation is a one that certainly should be a Buffalo bill social media thing if possible, maybe go into a bunker and record it I've heard those are great times. There's been a lot of money on a big bunker from what I was reading Yeah, who knows? I don't want to get into it. But I've heard the bunkers are a Pretty good idea and when he said life and then you double down and said life again,

I think you didn't want to out anything in his life, like family, friends, houses. He got, but him picking up new city off season, coming up there to a place he doesn't know to show face to be present. I think that is a great sign of leadership. And obviously that goes back to the culture, you know, that bean is built up there that obviously McDermott has, and you guys have all taken to a next level Ty has a question for you snow. Yeah speaking of that culture and everything Is it weird when you look at your team?

Obviously the Super Bowl is the only goal and that's what you guys are looking for But you guys are kind of the elder statesman in the AFC East now you look around, you know There's two new head coaches. There's a lot of stuff going on in Miami, you know, with different players maybe leaving and all that kind of stuff. How hard is it? I don't want to say like, you know, keeping the main thing, the main thing,

obviously knowing that, hey, in order to, you know, win a Superbowl and do what we want to do, we need to win the division first, especially when now you have a couple of these teams who are going to be much different than what you guys have played over the last couple years Yeah, our our first goal, you know is we have to win our division Not that that's the easiest way in but when you handle your division then the rest takes care of itself, right?

When the division you get the opportunity to play in the playoffs get the opportunity to play in the playoffs. Get the opportunity to play in the playoffs, you get the opportunity to play for the championship. So step one is one, be present. Two, know your job. And three, win the division. And that is what we preach and that's where we're at every single year. But winning the division is the first step of greatness. And not we seem to have that on lock but like we do

a good job of taking that first step but it's hard every single year our division gets tougher these guys get better the dolphins the jets the like the Patriots even like these guys play us hard like even if the records don't show it these guys play us extremely extremely hard and that's our toughest battles throughout this season until we get to the Chiefs and the Ravens and like all these you know juggernauts Colts yeah Colts. Yep. My guy Kenny. Yep. Colts. Thank you. Kenny. Bad respect. Kenny Mo. Mad respect for Kenny. Bad respect for Kenny Mo. Love Kenny Mo. I wish we had it would be great to have mo Kenny mo mo Kenny mo Mo Kenny mo you already

We could get a bunker Joe that'd be great and I think we do I think we do have a bunker Joe Mo Kenny most you had bunker Joe What are you talking about? No, you're not about Joe Flacco bunker Joe Flacco bunker There yeah boom as he was there you know, geez Danny Joe now got Danny Joe At least you got the Indy 500 you got any You're coming out. I'm coming up. Yeah, that was a super it's super dope. You're here You're coming any five, you know, the Pacers are playing afterwards. They got uh,

I'm planning on I'm planning on being there. Yes, sir. Okay, racing and pacing baby. Come on out. We'll see Wow Do not give me credit there's other Thank you. There is other things that I have created that people do not give me enough credit for. This is not one that I created and we do not know. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you already snow. I did not. You got it. Bracing and pacing. All right. We get this. All right. I'll make sure. Don't plan on doing too much either. Yeah. So the 8,500, I don't know how much you're living. I don't know what you're living like. There's going to be a lot of opportunity to do a lot of boozing if that's what you're looking to do. And, uh, I don't know if much you're living. I don't know what you're living like There's gonna be a lot of opportunity to do a lot of boozing if that's what you're looking to do

And I don't know if that's what you're in. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of that. Yeah out of that Yeah, so hey know that Pacer games coming though. I'm basically coming hours and hours and hours later So I'll be excited to see you monitor your vibes throughout the entirety for sure. They will have my glasses on I promise you won't see my eyes Well, and also I mean in that snake fit he could Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Get a quick nap Quick, that's a quick. That's a quick monster refresh Sorry, I don't know your exact sports background growing up in high school,

but I assumed you played basketball, ran track, baseball. I assume you're an athlete and everything. Like when you have, I think when you watch it, you see your feet, like you have great feet. And I think that comes from a lot of times playing other sports as a young kid. What sports did you play and how important do you think that is? I think it's the most important thing because I did everything. And you're correct. I played basketball, but because I grew grew up in Jersey I never played on the high school team.

We played in Hoboken every single day during the basketball season. We played every day in Hoboken. I ran track and field. I threw. I wrestled. I bowled and I swam. But one of the biggest things that I do and still do now is I longboarded. I have a longboard that I still have since I was young and I used to longboard. And that longboard helped me with my single foot balance and why my calves are the way in that they are is because I was always pushing and kicking and balancing. But all of that definitely did work. And then in college, I took tennis, which helped with my lateral movements and I just tried to do everything and sports is definitely why it creates the perfect type of character of player. You know like you just can't just do one thing but you can like you can do one thing and

you might get lucky but all the variety of sports definitely do play a big part of the sport that that and that you love which is me in this case is, but it does definitely balance and help. Swim, tennis, yep, bowling, longboarding, and then let's talk about bowling. You think bowling helped your lungs a little bit? We had a bowling lane bowling alley that I hung out at growing up. I didn't get good at bowling, but I was around there. Billiards, I could probably do okay if we need. Cigarettes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Do you think that built up the lungs, the cigarettes? The cigarette smoke definitely made your lungs extremely strong because when you don't smoke the cigarettes, your body begins to form this defense of keeping it out. But who knows?

I was definitely in the Billiards with cigarettes. Yeah, Pete Weber and other things, I think. I'm not getting into it. I'll let him know his story. Rick Capmore. Were you a two-handed wonder from down under? No, that was elite bowling. That two-handed stuff is elite. I was the one-hand spin, but when you end your goal, you end on that one leg, which is still balanced. So it was still balancing and still helping everything, which it was fun, but it was also cool because I tightened up and my quad and everything But yeah one hand spinner and I would only put two fingers in and flick the rest and what was the what was the average? What was the average? Oh, I was really like a 180 guy

175 like that was that was like me like on an average day, but you know, I get to the 205s You know, you know the bigger the kick the better the flick they say you know whenever you go out like there I didn't create that either that was a bowling yeah look at the balance look your quad is activating right now if you stay there for 15 seconds your quad is gonna be on fire 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2. Yeah, it's burning. One, look. I mean, those scores too.

You gotta do the other one now. You gotta balance it out. You gotta balance it out. I'm looking at Kua's second. My other leg, left leg I can balance on. That's, you know, cause I'm right footed. So the balance all came from this one. I have learned through my years the right foot not as

Neat not as what what a guy bro. Yeah, you're the guy All right. We appreciate you for joining us. Enjoy the hell out of your life It seems like that's gonna be a definite you've earned all of this can't wait to see where you're drifting this weekend We'll see you in India in a few weeks. Yes, sir. Much love as always yo But you guys are the truth where you already saw the box you are. Hey, let's make sure they don't screw you this year with the yeah. Oh, yeah. No, we already talking about it, man It ain't happening. No flags. No flags, man, you know Bowling yeah, that's the boy Big boys need an award my big boys need an award. All right, Pat. That's all I'm saying

We think boys need an award We did give out an award this year But we will try to push for the NFL to give one out of the words the NFL honors, that's all I'm saying. Big boys need an award. We did give out an award this year, but we will try to push for the NFL to give one out as awards, the NFL honors, because that's real. Now, are you going to go interior and then tackles, or you just go in, what is the goal? It's a unit. It's anybody that plays ball, center guard tackle.

You shall see. We shall see. But I'm telling you, and we working, man. We're working. This see, we shall see. But I'm telling you, we, and we working man. It's, we're working. All right. This is what we're working. This is what we gave out last year as a Trenchy. We gave out the Trenchies. You're a finalist for the Trenchy. That's A.Q. Shipley on top of that when he was at the Arizona Cardinals weighing 360 pounds at 5'11". And we put some Kevin Green hair on him just to show some respect you know. That is insane bro.

Why is the stomach so big? Look the big guys can be slagged up too man. The big guys can be slagged up too. We did not edit the photo of his stomach. The Frenchies boy that boy like a little Frenchie man. What's up my dog? Ladies and gentlemen Dion Dogg. Thank you.

Dion. He's the greatest. Why is your stomach so big? We were asking you, Dion. Dion! He's the greatest. He's the greatest. Why is your stomach so big? We were asking the same question. That's actually what it had to be. As his friend at the time, I was asking him the same questions.

But what's going on here? I'm playing fullback, I'm playing kickoff weight. You gotta push people around. Yeah. He was able to move at that weight. And now that he's thinner, I'm happy is putting weight back on though Remember he was on that big long. I feel like he may be thought to himself like when I retire I'm gonna become a Ironman

Athlete or whatever UFC fighter. Yeah, whatever He was thinking of wrestling and billionaire basements or whatever and he got like too thin too focused Like way too focused on the fitness thing and he wasn't eating food right? Like he was miserable. 30 pills a day. Yeah it wasn't him either. It was him but like he lost that edge and that edge came from being happy you know and doing this entire thing. So yeah here's the actual photo that we took from him. That's the one. Yes, and we're not expecting him to look like this We're happy does not look like this Never see that before When you bend down like that's a bad, yeah, I mean especially without tight the football pants are right Two bowling balls in his gut Yeah, maybe four if you really start doing the math and start looking at a little closer

But we don't want this we wait none of us wanted this we're happy me We're worried out. We're worried about him. I'm worried just looking that he was like that at one point. He's got he's got kids He's got a family. He's got a future like this is not good. This is not we told him that okay I would like to let everybody know friends of his at this time said Bob This can't be tight in it up. This can't be what it is. He goes, oh, I know these white jerseys, you know, he gave a full speech at the time. So then when he retired, I think like all of us,

maybe in this exact moment, telling him this, he like locked in like, when I retire, I'm going to become like super fit. And we watched that for what, a year and a half after he retired, it was like, all right, dude, I know this is partially my fault because of what I said whenever your fucking big gut was hanging out but like we don't need this this is not what we need I was crazy this is not what we need for the entirety of your existence so he's back

to being in I think he's normal but we good myself a Q I mean I'm in the middle of it right now you're about, two bad weeks away from like running away with it. You know, cause I was a heavy keto trying to lose weight against Gunter, you know? And then I thought to myself like four days before I'm like, well, maybe I get some more padding on me actually. Cause he's going to bang hard in there.

I mean, he's going to be banging in there. So now I'm like, all right, what do I have to prepare for? Nothing. Yeah, so I will take the French toast sticks from Burger King this morning. Mm-hmm It's five pieces enough. I don't think so. I'm six foot one two forty. Sure heading to 260 So I did two of those this morning So then I had to look at myself in the mirror and be like buddy Come on, we don't need to do the full song and dance again Sure, so, you know, I think a Q is doing the same thing and that's why what you do every day so impressive

white rice Bear-grilled chicken. Yeah. Yes every meal. Yep rest of life. No, no, I'm not a Rolofsky Dan They know really lives that like that. I am NOT that but I'm very plain. You know I like food plain. That's all. Once again forget everything he just said right there. This guy eats white rice and bare plain, sorry, grilled chicken every meal. Even whenever we present him with a very tempting offer. Look at his pizza. Look at his sandwich. Yeah. Look at his chocolate. Have a donut. His discipline is unbelievable. AJ your discipline is unbelievable. It really is. I don't know how you're look at his chocolate. I have a doughnut. He's disciplined is unbelievable AJ your disciplines unbelievable It really is I don't know how you're able to do it

I'm looking to do that for you know, the rest of my being today was a wake-up call whenever I had 6,000 calories over there for breakfast. Give or take. Yeah, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing Hey, Q's the same way so we got a moderate and we need some accountability buddies We need some accountability buddies to say hey, don't be so fat a lot of people tell me I need to say it to you. Hey Q looks amazing there from The shipyard there sure I wonder if they flushed the toilet since last year and that's in there a lot of people say that I oh that was in the hawk house a lot of people say I'm not gonna friend to you Connors not a good enough friend to you They say tongues on a good enough friend to you

Why they saying that because they say you almost poop your pants way too often and that should be talked about. What should we do? Ty? I mean not a whole lot. I have a physical illness, a physical disability that I've had for a long time. So like, you know, when people say like, Hey, you should try taking probiotics. It's like, Oh wow. I never fucking thought of that. You think I like doing this? You think I like eating something very plain and then like, yeah, two hours later it's like, hey, sorry, I'm legitimately going to shit my pants if we, if I can't go right now. You think it's,

it's fun just sitting there with like a stomach ache. It feels like you have a goddamn, you know, mortar shell inside your stomach. No, it's not great. It's not great But you know, am I just gonna eat a plain turkey sandwich from Subway for the rest of my life with nothing on it? No, I'm not gonna do that either. So it's kind of once a while. You need a little za you need some za Okay at 1030 a.m. Exactly or at 11 p.m You know when you know eating it pay guess what eating this and then piggybacking it with a 45 ounce coffee the next morning You might have some you might run into some issues. Listen everybody on this earth has a cross to bear That's my cross to bear, you know, it's just something I got to deal with it's something I'm gonna do so I don't ever think Hey, you need to be a better friend to me deciding what's going in my stomach

I live with that and I'm doing just fine this is from yesterday obviously and you did make it right is what we're doing I did make it it was a it was a photo finish but I did make how come you didn't slide across the ring D-Bot wanted you to maybe weigh in I considered it I had a pair of nice lululemon slacks on I love those I wear those all the time if my stomach would have hit the the ring I would have I Mean I would have fucking blown out the backside of my pants big time and I don't really you know doing that's one thing I don't really need to see a bunch of people on TV see and me

Explosively shit my pants. So that's why I decided not to dive into the ring. I'll consider it next time I will I'll consider doing it next time Well, I don't mean to laugh in your face no, it's a I'm laughing with you I've been dealing with this since I was 16, but it's one thing that's the greatest about it Is it does happen a lot on the show? Yeah, people don't even know obviously outside the show think about how many times this potentially happens to Ty and how he feels this way But we'll watch what Ty's eaten for breakfast and we'll all go. Well seems like there's about a nuke on deck It's coming. Yeah, and I did appreciate I got like some real messages from people that are like Somebody's gonna be the adult and tell Ty that he needs to lock in here

This is not how it's supposed to go. You guys need a dietitian at the Thunderdome You need somebody to come in there and talk about nutrition. Okay, it's like I'm sure PowerPoint deck and show everybody how they should eat. I should eat this guy's an adult. He's got kids Yeah, we're in the business of telling other adult males, you know, how they should live their life Speaking of tone, we need you to start taking care of yourself If I choose to I will okay We have some breaking news out of the NFL before we turn to some breaking news from the MLB Derek Henry and the Baltimore Ravens have reached an agreement on a two-year 30 million dollar extension

That includes 25 million fully guaranteed over the next two seasons per Todd France of a one athletes first It is the largest deal in NFL history for a running back over 30 years old Okay, however, you qualify it for being a big deal sweet running back position back and Derek Henry Remember he had that magical run with the Titans where he led them to the playoffs They're actually the team that kind of launched the Kansas City Chiefs dynasty because they had the lead and then Chiefs come back and win Derek Henry and Ryan Tannehill get paid in Tennessee massive turnover happens. He goes to Baltimore We all assume what a perfect fit what a perfect match for a team and a culture And here we are a year later after a successful run and that is the case remember at the beginning of season

Horror Boss said we're not running a 30 year old Derek Henry 20 times a game like that is not how we're gonna win and 30 year old Derrick Henry 20 times a game like that is not how we're gonna win and as a game season went on it was like yeah we are actually gonna feed this guy he's a special athlete and he takes care of himself he's committed to the profession and what a perfect fit over there in Baltimore congrats to Derrick Henry King Henry and also Baltimore AJ he's one of those guys it's like the scariest type of guys to play against because obviously the guy's a physical freak. He was born genetically, like he's unbelievable, but then he has absolutely

maximized every single ounce of what that is. When you hear about people that play with him, like his nutrition, his work ethic, everything he's doing, yeah, well-deserved and running back position, he is a big part of a reason of why I think the running back position Has gotten some some good shine over the last three four or five years Yeah, the running back position all the way back seemingly go ahead come man Yeah, I think he was the only running back with you know 1,500 yards over the last five seasons to have multiple of them and he's got like four of them But this was what Jimmy seafood John Minidopoulos was talking about.

The extension that was coming. That's not his name. What's the name of that? No, Jimmy Seafood. They extended with the Ravens yesterday. Yeah, the Ravens and Edgar Poe. Edgar, Allen and Poe? No, Edgar Poe the bird, the mascot.

We knew that. Yeah. Congrats to Jimmy's and Edgar Poe, bird yeah yeah yeah we knew that yeah congrats to Jimmy's and Edgar the Raven yeah I think they just call him Edgar Poe I think they drop the Allen oh see I thought Edgar got hurt and then Allen and Poe were the two oh remember they broke his leg the one that one had his broken remember that dancing too hard I forget how I think so I think his name is just Poe just Poe okay so Edgar no, there was sorry There's three of them. There was Edgar Allen and Paul. Yeah, and Edgar. Yeah after broke the leg. Yep, which I don't like

That's just that's the business Alan had a bad attitude. He's always walking. Yeah, I'll do yeah and then po now You know AJ that's kind of the I thought Alan or Poe may have you know, the old was it? Who was the old ice skater blasted somebody in the knee with the Jeff Galooli and Galooli Harding if you remember in 1998 started the franchise all three of them birthed from eggs on the football field That's not a lie. I do remember that how else would Ravens Yeah, let's give it away from the NFL works Tony congrats to Derek Henry and Poe signing back with Jimmy Seaford from the NFL. Congrats to Derek Henry and Poe signing back with Jimmy Seafood. Free crab cakes for that bird that's probably a great move. Huge. Joining us now ladies and gentlemen is a man who has more information from the baseball

world than anybody else we've ever spoke to. He's a senior MLB insider at ESPN and in my eyes the voice of a generation for an entire sport. Ladies and gentlemen he talks about baseball for a living we We try to limit that, but he's always great at it. Jett Passage. Yay! Here we go. How you doing? Gentlemen, I have a question for you.

This is like a sincere baseball guy trying to understand football. Derrick Henry is ridiculously good at his job. He touches the ball three to four times as often as wide receivers. Why is Jamar Chase making $40 million a year and Derrick Henry's guaranteed 12 and a half? So there's always a stigma about the running backs

that any play they can get hurt because there's a lot of contact, right? Now granted wide receivers have that opportunity as well. Wide receivers also normally bigger chunks whenever they're getting the rock, especially if you're electrifying, less electrifying wide receivers than they think

running backs can be. Derek Henry an anomaly at the position but that is just kind of how the running back position has been viewed and I'll tell you what the running backs were pissed about it two years ago. They should be. Two years ago it was almost like they have every right to be. It was great a union it was like they almost created a union almost did like a holdout like legit this was a real thing two years ago Now Saquon signs a massive deal. Derrick Henry just signs a massive deal. I think they're coming back around. But to your point, the running backs were pissed about it just like two years ago.

They are, I'm sorry, but they do not provide half the value of elite wide receivers. It just seems like a clear market inefficiency in football. That's all. That's good journalism right there by you. And now supply, demand, all that shit will get put into place and I'm sure teams will have a reason. Nonetheless, we're happy for Derrick Henry.

We agree, probably deserves much more money in our eyes if we were paying and we would do that. Let's talk about somebody or some buddies that deserve something and potentially have the possibility to do it. Big news out of the MLB yesterday. Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson are now allowed to be voted into the Hall of Fame. I assume that all the super baseball purists, nerds, and journalists who are the ones that are making all

these decisions will hold all these things against Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson even though they're available to go into the Hall of Fame? Or how do you expect this to go and what is the narrative now that Pete Rose has passed versus maybe when Pete Rose was still alive about him potentially getting into Hall of Fame? Pat, this is an incredibly complicated issue and let me start off just with what the process is going to look like. If you don't make it into the Hall of Fame after your career as a player, you go to what's called the Era Committee. And it's a group of 16 people comprised of former executives, Hall of Famers, as well as a few journalists.

And they essentially get to decide on a group of players. This past year, for example, Dave Parker and Dick Allen, two guys who had been overlooked by the writers, ended up getting voted in by the Air Committee. With the case of Pete Rose, though, especially, it is just so complicated because you have all of these different elements of his legacy bumping into each other. As a player, Pete Rose is unequivocally a Hall of Famer. 4,256 hits, the in major league baseball history, 20

plus seasons of just incredible baseball. He was, you know, an otherworldly baseball player. He also broke the cardinal sin of baseball, which is do not gamble on games in which you are involved, did so as a player and a manager as well. Was accused of statutory rape of a girl who in a sworn statement said she was 14 or 15 at the time when she had sex with Pete Rose. His retort to that was, I thought she was 16. The interesting thing though is going to be major league baseball and the hall of Fame has a character clause. You know, you look at the players who are voted into the Hall of Fame and it tends to be just based on numbers. But one

of the elements that people who are voting are supposed to consider is the character of the person involved. And because it is such a small group of people, Pat, who are voting for this, all it takes is five no's. You have to get 75% to get in through the error committee. All it takes is five people who think that, you know, what Pete Rose's moral objectionability was should keep him out of the hall of fame. And, you know, he's never gotten the chance

to get voted in. This is going to be his first chance in December, 2027, when the error committee meets next. Okay. So obviously all those things that were being held against them for a long time are notable and make a lot of sense. But whenever you talk about artists, art, that's kind of like the conversation, right? Because whenever it comes to the sport itself,

it's like Pete Rose is Hembo sent over and Hembo is not for Pete Rose going in. I actually asked you about that I'm like, hey do all you baseball purists people feel the same way that Hembo feels which is like Pete Rose doesn't belong in Hall of Fame nor does Shoeless Joe Jackson will get the Shoeless Joe Jackson here in a second because interesting story in 1919 about the potential mafia what it was like what the rules were and Everything like that a man who was actually a Literate I believe is what we learned into there or leaned about but like the stats for Pete Rose as a baseball player like

Yeah insane, right? I mean all time leader and hits obviously games played played appearances and at bats three World Series titles I think he was only on two losing teams in like 21 years or something like that World Series titles I think he was only on two losing teams in like 21 years or something like that. His teams are 500 games over 500 whenever he was playing. The success rate that he had in the playoffs first the regular season was higher. Whenever you talk about seventh inning or later you're talking about a guy who performed better than anybody at the plate. It's like in the clutch time he played his best ball. He won a lot but he obviously added some ammo into people that were against him on a regular basis I think a lot of people that are fans of the sport are like hey the best hitter of all time Deserves to go into the Hall of Fame and I think that what people say is you can't tell the story of baseball without

Pete Rose that is kind of always the angle. So maybe that'll get said go ahead. Let's go to watch Shewlett's Joe Jackson now, shall we? That's the Black Sox scandal. I do believe of 1919. He was a part of it where I From my understanding this is just how it was recanted to me and we try to do some research over like the last 12 hours or whatever since this has all been announced Mafia gets a hold of the team pretty much sounds like I think it was like seven guys on the team or something like that It wasn't just you lose Joe Jackson. There was a lot of eight was like seven guys on the team or something like that it wasn't just Jusula's Joe Jackson there was a lot of eight eight guys on the team nine guys on the field right okay so mafia gets a hold of team and they end up whatever colluding and throwing the world series

is how the story is portrayed in a trial they were acquitted right of this all yes but everybody from the era says no they all admitted to it anyways it was the trial was different than what actually was the case So this is gambling on the game as well But at a much broader stage in a negative light Pete Rose allegedly was only betting on his teams to win and perform Well, the black sox scandal has always been brought up because they were working against their team to lose this entire thing 1919 is a long time ago. It's a much different era. What the mafia was potentially able to do and say,

and what narrative is real, what narrative is not from them is tough in 2025, not only for this story, but most stories. How does this end up working out you think for a shoeless Joe Jackson? And what is kind of the overall thoughts on him and the Hall of Fame conversation in general? Unlike Pete Rose, Pat, shoeless Joe Jackson actually was on the Hall of Fame

ballot. He was on twice and the first time in the 1930s I believe he got two out of 226 votes and the second time he was on in 1940s he got two out of 200 some odd votes. So you know the writers back then had the opportunity to induct Shoeless Joe Jackson and said, absolutely not. But, you know, all of this to me, it's really interesting because it's so much of a modern story and what is acceptable now or what we have grown to accept as society.

And, you know, mainly like gambling is an enormous part of sports in 2025. It has been not just accepted, but embraced, commodified. Sports are going out and making money hand over fist through gambling companies. And Major League Baseball for the longest time tried to stay away from gambling didn't move to Las Vegas because of ties to gamble. Whoa. And Joe Jackson may have a chance because societal norms have changed and attitudes toward gambling have changed.

Is it as a grievous a sin as it once was? Unquestionably, it's not perceived to be that way, but it's going to be super interesting when this committee gets together. I would love to be a fly on the wall in that room, Pat. Just to hear what the arguments are from the people who are in that room, because the era committee tends to be comprised of people who are older, you know, retired general managers and presidents of baseball operations, Hall of Famers who are in their 60s and 70s and grew up in the game hearing there is one thing in baseball you cannot do, and that is gamble on the game, and writers

who are either retired or toward the end of their careers. So you have a group of people who may look at what the societal norms are like right now and reject them. Like it is a secret vote and a secret ballot as well. So we will never know who voted for what. I don't think it is a fate to complete that Pete Rose is going to be elected

to the hall of fame in December, 2027 for induction in summer 2028. I don't think that's a guarantee at all. It's just a possibility now. And when Fawn Rose Peat's daughter went and met with Rob Manfred in December, that's all that they were looking for, I think. They just wanted the chance.

And Peat himself had said in the past, when I'm six feet under, I don't give a damn if I get voted into the Hall of Fame or not, but clearly it's an important thing to his family and it's part of what Rob Manford heard during his meeting with Fawn Rose. Give them an opportunity to see if they want to vote him in. Sounds like potentially not the first time but maybe in the future. We will be off Thursday, Friday due to the

PGA Championship. We will see you back here on ESPN on Overreaction Monday. Have the greatest four days of your life., let's continue to talk baseball here as we still continue Continue digitally here, which is it sounds like the big hope for ESPN to make the jump to in the future We've been doing it for a while now, you know Open door policy on if have any questions. So Whatever you think about gambling too. Yeah all these things. I mean there's a lot of things obviously we're just a bunch of doofuses. We get it but as we continue here digitally on this glorious Wednesday, what did you say?

Fait accompli? Fait accompli. Which means like a foregone conclusion or a certainty that he goes in. Patrick! Yes, context clues. Look at your ball knowledge here. love it. Yeah, context clues. Brother never read a book so I've had to always kind of pick up what the hell smart people are saying around me by what else is going on but it sounds like the Rose family obviously wouldn't mind seeing their father get honored for how good he could hit a baseball and play baseball and then Shoeless Joe Jackson that's gotta be what great grandkids now? yeah they might not even know how to be like great great 1919 you talk about all the things societal norms now when it comes to gambling and everything like that how about what we know now

about what the mafia did and how they treated people and like the things they would say to people to get things allegedly built this country in Built this country. In some cases. In some cases. And I think rock and roll was another big part of it. I don't think the mafia utilized rock and roll as much. But I do know rock and roll was part of building it. But it's like the documentaries we've watched now on how the mafia used to operate and how they used to be able to go about getting things accomplished. It's like if that team was told like which very easily could have happened in Chicago

I mean from everything that we've learned like hey you either do this or like and even given an example of something He would hope that there would at least be a little bit of a conversation at least a little bit of empathy for what? Potentially was happening at the time, but I'm not a voter never will be thank God. Good luck to all of them Let's talk about the current state of baseball. shall we? Connor has a question for you, Jett. Yeah, Jett, five walk-offs yesterday, three walk-off homers, Esauk Parides, hope I'm saying that right, Tatis Jr. And then one I saw you tweeting about, Javi Baez for the Tigers. Trey Sweeney tied it up in extras and then Baez hit his second three-run homer, I believe, of the game to win.

How big of a surprise is this Tigers team, not just Bias? But are you surprised by the Tigers being the number one team in baseball when it comes to record? What is the Javi Bias story? And are they peeking too early or is this one of those things where, hey, the Tigers can keep this rolling for the entire season? things where hey the Tigers can keep this rolling for the entire season? Connor I was talking with somebody yesterday about just how good the Tigers can be and I picked them to win the American League Central this year so

I'm not surprised that they are a good team I'm surprised that they're scoring enough runs because I was looking at them as like a team that was going to be led by its pitching and gonna be led by A.J. Hinch, who manages the bullpen just about as well as anyone. But getting production from Javier Baez is something that absolutely nobody expected. Like, let's remember, when Javier Baez came up, he was an absolute wonder kid. Like, the smoothest shortstop you're ever gonna see.

Like, he made tags look cool. That's how smooth he was out there. But, you know, he always had swing and miss issues, got out of shape, signed for six years and 140 million with the Tigers and had provided negative value. It was at the point where there were questions like how long is it gonna be until Javier Baez

gets cut by the Tigers? And they just, you know, some costs at this point, let's get rid of him and use the roster spot. But he got into good shape this offseason and good enough where he's playing some center field now after being an infielder his entire career and the resurgence of the bat is really the shocking thing. Even you know when he was a little bit overweight and not looking quite as good physically, defensively he was still pretty good. But he just had this propensity to swing and miss a lot and he does not have good plate

discipline and if you're not making contact, you're not going to be able to hit the ball well. Like it's a pretty simple thing. Now that was just a bad pitch. Just left over, just slide or left over right in the middle of the plate, but he took advantage of it and that's what he's doing. He is hitting mistakes this season. And I think you're going to see a lot more pitchers just start working outside with him.

Um, because he, he is the guy who will swing a pitch two feet off the plate. But, uh, Javier Baez is beloved by Cubs fans for what he did in the 2016 championship. And, you know, Tigers fans are learning to love him a little bit after a couple of really rough years. Three walk-off homers, ding-dongs last night. Obviously that's great for the sport. We have been enjoying it more than I think any year in the past, Jett. You'll be proud of us. We talk about baseball more and on a more regular basis than ever. And that's because I think what's happened in New York is potentially historic.

Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Jet, do you think, I mean, is there any way Aaron Judge can sustain the pace he's on? I mean, I don't think anyone thinks he's actually going to hit 400. But when you look at the Yankees, obviously Paul Goldschmidt's been very good. He's got the second highest batting average in the AL. And Trent Grisham has been one of the best surprises, I think, not only the Yankees fans, but just the MLB in general.

But with the, I mean, it's kind of, they go as Judge goes, the Yankees do. Like, do you think he can sustain the type of pace that he's been on for the next several months or how do you see that kind of working out for the Yankees? This is the best version of the Aaron Judge that we have ever seen, which is saying something for a guy who hit 62 home runs back in 2022 and who hit 58 home runs last year and who has the opportunity to win three MVPs

in four seasons. His strikeout rate tie is down to under 21%. He's hitting 410 right now. That's not going to be sustainable. His average on balls in play at this point is 481, whereas his career average on balls in play is a little bit closer to 350. So, we're going to see the batting average go down. I don't think Aaron Judge is a candidate to hit 400 and maybe not even be a guy who's going to hit 350. But the power is still there despite having more patience and despite making more contact. And very rarely do you see a guy who maintains the kind of juice that he's got while lowering

his strikeout rate. We've seen it with Pete Alonso this year too. It's the mark of a good hitter. And Aaron Judge is not just a good hitter, he is the best hitter in baseball right now. There is not a close second, and he is putting up some of the best seasons we've seen all time.

Now, this year if Aaron Judge finishes with 11 plus wins above replacement, he's going to be the third player in baseball history to do that three times in four years. The other two are Babe Ruth and Barry Bonds. Pretty good company to be keeping. Yeah, I'd say. And he's bombing balls too.

It's not just like he's hitting for average whenever Aaron Judge, when he's connecting on these things because he's such a Goliath. Yeah, he doesn't hit any cheapies. The balls are gone. That has to be explosive baseball for the Yankees fans to be watching. Obviously good in that market. There's another market that's gigantic with a superstar. Go ahead, Todd. Yeah, Jet Shohei, another guy who over his last 10, he's been on an absolute terror. He's really starting to come into

form. We've talked about this with you a couple of times in terms of him potentially pitching. Obviously, Roki Sasaki, the guy they signed this year out of Japan, he's going on the IL for a little bit and we we continually see the videos of Shohei, you know, throwing off the bump and doing some bullpen sessions. Do you think with the Dodgers starting pitching, starting to get banged up a little bit, that there's a chance we're going to see Shohei pitch maybe sometime sooner than later? Nope. I don't think the Dodgers give a damn about right now and it's a weird thing to hear right like you know a bunch of guys going down with injuries don't they want to bring him no they don't because the Dodgers care about one thing and that that's October. That's when they want Shohei Otani healthy.

And what they're trying not to do is allow any concerns right now to get in the way of their ultimate goal, which takes discipline, and which very few teams, guys, if any, have the luxury that the Dodgers do. But part of this luxury is also that they are really good at developing starting pitchers.

And they have like a room full of guys, whether it's in the bullpen or down at triple A, who can be capable fill-ins. I understand that there is a temptation to want Shohei Otani to come back right now, because we've seen him on the mound. He's awesome on the mound. Like he's going to be really good when he comes back but at the end of the day they are

more concerned with having the best rotation that they can for the post season and not trying to rush guys back at all because they figured hey we're gonna be a playoff team. We're gonna win enough games during the regular season to make the postseason and then the postseason you can see what the deaths are really looks like. Do you think there's so there's no concern either with how good the NL West has been to start the year I mean they have you know four of the best teams in baseball already. Totally agree no concern whatsoever and look maybe that's misguided maybe that's misplaced but in

spite of all of the injuries that they've had so far The Dodgers are still at the top of the National League West Shohei's got a little bit more sauce this year a little bit more comfortable and who he is. Is that accurate or no? I Don't think we're ever gonna really see who Shohei Otani is publicly right here right here right here I did we see it right here. Whatever. We answered the bat flip to that guy Right here, right here. Did we see it right here, whenever he answered the bat flip to that guy? Yeah, you know what?

I think that's a fair way to put it. And here's Lourdes Gurriel looking down, chucking it up, doing the airplane. I think that Shohei Otani did that for his teammates. And you spend enough time in a clubhouse, you win enough with people, and maybe you do become a little bit more like them. Maybe you do, you know, let it eat a little bit,

to use a baseball term, but no, I don't think we're gonna be seeing Shohei Otani doing cartwheels around the bases any time soon. I bet he could do them though. Oh yeah. Did you see that? Oh, back flipping. Did you see that New Japan wrestler?

Yes. Oh yeah. I bet you, I bet you. All the way up, all the way up? Yes. Oh, yeah. I bet you, I bet you know him. All the way up the ramp. Yeah. Unbelievable. How about he hits his head off the top rope there?

He was probably very, yeah. I mean, that is impressive. That's half an inch away from being catastrophic there. I wonder if as he hits his head while he's doing that back handspring, he's like, oh, no, I completely ruined this. And it's, watch, watch. So obviously. He's a big boy, too. Yeahing he's like oh no I completely ruined this and it's watch watch so obviously he's a big boy too yeah he's thick right there he hits his head off the top rope it's like damn that's so close and now once he's chasing

it you're in trouble you better get out of the way I'm gonna keep doing this bang kicked it ahead that's unbelievable yeah wait this guy needs to be obviously New Japan gigantic wrestling promotion and historic promotion has created a lot of Magical wrestling moments and also historic wrestlers as a whole Especially getting a chance to go over to Japan the way they hold professional wrestling in such high regard is such a beautiful thing But if we get one of those at mania If we get one of those back handspring pay pay lay kick thing, a fast, long ramp. Someone show Joe Hendry.

Long ramps in a football stadium. That's in a football stadium. What'd you say, Joe Hendry? I said someone show that to Joe Hendry now. Yeah, Joe needs to get working on that. Joe needs to get working on that. I wonder when his head hits that top rope though, if there's a little bit of a, oh.

I broke my neck. And then he slips through and it's like, all right, we got magic still. Cause that would scare the fuck out of them. Oh, I broke my neck. And then he slept through it. It's like, all right, we got magic still. We got, cause that would scare the fuck out of me. Just as somebody who has potentially slipped on the top. I mean, his head hits the top rope there. Uh, maybe it was part of it. I mean, that's an unstoppable move though. You know, cause once he gets rolling, especially if you're in his sights, you got no, I don't know. That seems very stoppable. Can't you just stand there and kick him when he's like like kick one of his arms What you ever see those things that uh, what they hypnotize you with?

You know, I have the lot pendant deal Yeah, you're telling me you don't see that guy hit all those you don't get kind of whoa Kind of like I step to the side and kick his arm out don't get kind of whoa kind of like you know I step to the side and kick his arm out can't stop that guy's a gun yeah big guy that's probably right and it's gonna be a multi shooter it's gonna happen you need a few of those things because he's gonna what they don't show there is if you step to the side like you're implying so simple jet geez Louise he'd actually boom on his hands yep he can redirect that thing we only got to see it go straight because that So simple. Jen. Geez Louise. He'd actually boom on his hands. Yep

He can redirect that thing We only got to see it go straight cuz that guy was right in his sight if he was doing the alligator walk or the Zigzag walk that we learned whenever the DC sniper was kind of out and about as a child I think he would have been able to adapt that thing back and forth if he needed to you didn't let him showcase his trap Bang and he gets you shindu the top of the head you're done. And also his back hurts, you know to adapt that thing back and forth if he needed to. You didn't let him showcase his trap, bang! And he gets you a shin to the top of the head, you're done, and also his back hurts. You know, I don't know, he's selling his back there.

Exactly. He's selling his back. He's selling his back. I mean, you gotta time it right, neither, you know, hopefully you can get his legs in the amount of time where you can hit a sharpshooter or a boss and crab. Yeah, exactly.

That's really all you're looking for. Yeah, you gotta be like Shohei. Yeah, exactly. You gotta be at golden arms. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, not for. Yeah, you gotta be like Shohei. Yeah. You gotta be at Golden Arms. Yeah. Yeah, not just one glove. You need both of those things. That's right.

Yep. You think we could try it? We should give that a go. Yeah, Bode. Bode, need you to do the back handspring party thing. Need you to need springboard back handspring party. Bill, catch him if he doesn't. Yeah, Bill, you're the target at the end of this thing. We'll get it figured out. We'll get it worked out. need a springboard backhand spring party. Bill catch him if he doesn't.

Yeah, Bill, you're the target at the end of this thing. We'll get it figured out. We'll get it worked out. All right, AJ has a question for you about pitching. So Shohei is not gonna pitch is what you just said. He's not gonna pitch right now. He will pitch this year. Yes.

Whoa. What, like playoffs or when? This is purely a guess, but I think in order to get him built back up, because let's remember guys coming back from reconstructive elbow surgery, they will usually go down to the minor leagues to do, you know, four or five rehab starts just to get the feel of the mound back in games that don't count. Shohei can't do that. So it's gonna be like right out there for him. And my guess in order to get him built up

to start deep into the playoffs, it seems like August is probably the right time, but the Dodgers haven't said anything to this point. So this is not news, this is informed speculation. Okay, I like that out of you though, because I think there for a while is like we don't think so. There's no reason to do it now. There's a chance we're gonna see Shohei back on the bump.

Go and get it Shohei. Go on Shohei, be one on one brother. We can't, I can't wait to watch. Go ahead AJ, sorry buddy. Yeah, Jett staying on the Dodgers. I believe Clayton Kershaw is coming back Saturday and first 18th season. What do you expect from him and what do you think the Dodgers expect from him? Height and Kershaw's consistency, AJ, is just remarkable.

The guy has legitimately never had a bad season. And to play at that Hall of Fame caliber level, even when his stuff isn't what it used to be, even when he mainly throws two pitches, his fastball on the slider, and there are times when the separation of velocity is so small that it's tough to distinguish those two from each other, and yet it still works for him. And it works for him because he has always thrown the ball

over the plate, never walks guys, manages to get strikeouts still by getting swings and misses in the zone and having this exceptional command. And like'll be honest I was on the I was on the field with him after the Dodgers won the World Series last year and you know I've known Clayton since I met him when he was 19 and was in double a and I went down to went down to Alabama where he was playing a game and I wanted to write a story about what's it like to be like this prospect who can't miss.

Like what are the pressure? What's the expectation? How do you rear a prospect properly? And all he's done his entire career is prove that like he was ready for the moment. And so this was like the perfect cap last year during the World Series. I was like, dude, you're done, right? He's like, no, I think I want to come back. And I give him a lot of credit.

Like the man's body hurts. Like he has had back issues, he has had arm issues. And yet he understands, Clayton's a smart guy. He understands when you're an athlete, you get one chance. You get one chance to have a career. And once it's done, you can never match that. I mean, I'm talking to two people right now who understand that as well as anyone.

There is nothing like being out there on the field. And I think he wants to keep that going as long as he can. His kids are still young and he wants them to have those moments and those opportunities to see what it's like when their dad Looks like a superhero. I understand that and I Respect that and I like the fact that you know, you don't know how many more you got So if you're getting an opportunity to go again, why not take it?

You know, there's other people who have the idea of them go out on top and always think like people think and remember me At my absolute best. I don't mind that either. I'm a guy that retired after a pro bowl, you know, and I think a lot of people just assume for like the next five, six years, hey, you want teams or reach out, hey, we remember you from five years ago being able to do your job.

You think you still got it? It's like in my mind, I know I probably don't, but the last memory is good. I think then some guys just, we're going to the wheels fall off. And I respect both ideas and both theories because people have committed their entire lives in these sports.

It's not easy just to fucking turn the lights off. Take from your career what you want from it. And Clayton Kershaw was a guy who didn't grow up with a whole lot. Single mom, was raised in Highland Park, which is very affluent area of Dallas. He did not have a whole lot of money, but Mary Ann Kershaw wanted to send them to great schools and so that's where they landed and went to high school with Matt Stafford and both of them have had pretty incredible careers.

Pretty good ball throwers. Yeah. Pretty good ball throwers. Yeah. Pretty good ball throwers there. Okay. Speaking of good ball throwers, let's talk about one that's representing city of Pittsburgh and also our great country. Go ahead, Tom.

Yeah, more importantly, our great country. Paul Skeen is going to play for team USA. He's finally getting a chance to pitch for a team that has a chance to win. How happy do you think he is doing this? I just want to throw a fact out there. I don't know if you guys have known this yet. 19 straight games where the Pirates have scored four or less runs. That's never been done, I don't think. So we happy for Paul? How happy do you think he is for this opportunity? He's elated because Paul schemes like might be the most Actually patriotic ballplayer that I've ever met like the you know

There are people who were at the flag and wave it but Paul schemes actually lived it like he was gonna be a fighter pilot He went to the Air Force Academy like that man loves America and the opportunity to represent the United States I think is a big deal for him but it's a bigger deal for the world baseball classic because you guys remember like I came on the show last time the world baseball classic was around and it was awesome like that that tournament was phenomenal from start to finish. But the thing that Team USA in particular has always been missing is top end starting pitchers. It's held at the time of year when guys are still trying to ramp up and where guys, you

know, like arm care is a really hard thing and you don't want to, you know, you don't want to get hurt in what essentially is an exhibition game, but the truth is to Paul Skeen, these are going to be the most competitive games as long as he's a Pittsburgh Pirate that he plays before he reaches free agency. What's happening? So we got him for what, another six years or something in Pittsburgh? And then like, what is the reality? What is the reality of the situation?

LSU is calling him America's ace. Obviously he had great success in LSU down to Bayou He found love and a championship and I think he figured out, you know what he could possibly be as a baseball player He comes here to Indianapolis. This place filled up for him every single time. He was on the mound We went and watched him the night before big night out in Pittsburgh. There's 2200 people in the stands Yeah, you know like and I know Paul Skeens has to be a professional and he has to go out and do his job It's not about who's all there who's not all there But it feels like he's a competitor feels like he's a guy who understands who he is and I think

Even as a guy who you know loves to represent Pittsburgh. I do I am very proud of the fact that I'm from there It's like we watched that Stadium that night and it was like this dude deserves better than this. This dude deserves to be in Massive. What is the reality future, realistic future of Paul Skeens in his baseball career? Like the Pirates can trade him at any time? Is that accurate? And yes, let's let's let's start here, Pat. It's not just Paul Skeens who deserves better. It's not just Paul Skeens who deserves better, it's Pittsburgh Pirates fans deserve better. And they deserve a system that allows teams to keep great players. Now in some cases, guys will stay with small market teams.

We've seen that. Bobby Witt Jr. signed for 11 years and $288 million with the Kansas City Royals. We saw Joe Mauer stick around in Minnesota. There are plenty of instances where guys will stay with smaller market teams. But what incentive does Paul Skeens have to extend with the Pirates when the Pirates haven't shown the willingness from either Bob Nutting all the way down or the ability to bring in guys who are going to make this team better. The Pirates haven't shown that they are worthy of a Paul Skeen's extension at this point. And so what it comes down to is the Pirates, including 2025, have five years of club control before

he reaches free agency. If they believe that they have absolutely no chance of signing him, then they should trade him. And you can make the argument that they should trade him now. I'm not going to because I think the Pirates with some of the players that they have coming up, they would have a chance to win if they were to go out and actually bring in some offensive players and sign some free agents. But the truth is like there are teams that already are going to ask about Paul

Skeens at the trade deadline this year. And I don't anticipate that he's going to be moved, but there's a real argument to be made that the best thing for the Pittsburgh Pirates would be to move Paul Skeen when he has his most value. It's like it's a depressing reality. We literally have the next Paul Skeen's too. I mean I told you about Bubba. Bubba's a good man. Bubba can play and Bubba Chandler is gonna be up at some point soon and when he is and if Jared Jones gets healthy, you have a rotation of Paul Skeens, Jared Jones, Bubba Chandler, Mitch Keller, a bunch of barcos coming.

Shut up. Yeah. I mean, it's a really, really good potential rotation, one that should be able to contend. There's just not enough help there from the top. Well, hopefully he wins in the world baseball classic for the United States of America. I saw him wearing, he was wearing the United States

of America headband, a hair thing, when he was being asked about the manager being fired. And he was like, we're 12 and 40, dude. So it sucks that it's him. We liked him, but we somebody was gonna get fired We kind of understand that everything going on around pirates not great now even a security out there. Yeah, yeah Get didn't die though. That was good. That was good. Say put some ice on it Not kinda I mean The pirates will in that yeah, it sounds like that fight so yeah definitely not kind of I mean yeah took his belt off. I don't know if the Pirates will win that fight. Yeah it sounds like that fight is not over it feels like that fight's

going to continue uh Jett we appreciate the hell out of you for joining us go baseball go baseball go baseball exactly it's been you know what Pat it's been a good season. Connor just laughed Connor just laughed about your go baseball there I don't know why he did that. I did not no it's not at that it was at that for sure it wasn't that I don't like that at did that. I did not. No, it's not at that. It was at that for sure. It wasn't that. I don't like that at all. Why do you have to be a deuce? I knew I knew. Like what?

That's why I said it was me because I don't want to I don't want to light this fire chat. I'm going to be like I'll let you fly in the sun. Okay. Everything's good. It's Wednesday. We got a four day weekend coming up. Self-explaining ice guys for code on. Yeah, come on.

Just let me live. Good for baseball. Good for baseball right now though. Yeah, go baseball. Go you. Ladies and gentlemen, are you an insider pundit analyst? What is your title? All the above. Whatever you want to call me Patrick. Author. The baseball man. Yeah, New York Times, West Seller. Ladies and gentlemen, Jett Pass. Yeah, Jett. Yeah, yeah Why'd you laugh in the guys you heard?

Let's run it back. It was the way back at it Back right now. He's been a ho Tim Kershaw too much run it back right now. Yeah, play it back No, we are yeah, we are It was a little bit of his Elmo impression creeping in. He does have a good Elmo impression. He does. Good? Oh. But I think he was excited. Greatest, maybe. He was excited for baseball. He is, which is understandable because as a baseball hater, I am even very much into it. Three walk-offs last night. Nice. Five? Yeah. I thought it was three. Three walk-off homers, five walk-offs in total. I thought it was three. Three walk-off homers, five walk-offs in total. I thought it was three too.

Oh, so there's like a single or something like that? Yep. Yeah, two run doubles. Three walk-off dingers. Yes. Good for baseball. Yeah. I mean, I'm not watching the entire game

to get to that moment. Sure. I'll watch the clip and I'll say, baseball. Yeah. You know, like I watched the, Javi. Javi Baez. Javi Baez, yep. That sound when that thing.

Awesome. Oh yeah. And then that place going crazy. The best. I didn't know you guys were filling up for the Tigers. It looked like there was a lot of people there. Yeah, people are so excited. The Tigers are good at baseball again.

And like Jett nailed it. Javi Baez legitimately was one of the most hated Detroit athletes I've ever seen in my lifetime. Cause they gave him all that money. He gave piss poor effort. He was kind of a shit bird. And now he's playing great baseball. Everyone's apologizing. Everyone loves him and he hits the walk off. It's awesome when Detroit sports are good. We just need

the Red Wings to kind of get on board here because we're all making the playoffs right now except for them. We have a couple updates from today's program. There's also some schedules and games being leaked as we round up this glorious Wednesday. AQ Shipley told me that he blames the photographer or the cheeseburgers. He said he was in a cheeseburger era when his big gut was sticking out.

Understandable. Also could have been the photographer though, AJ. That is something trying to get him. Like that photographer takes that picture straight on, probably not as devastating. Slips to the side there. We can get this. Eddie Lacey got screwed by this too.

Remember when Eddie Lacey got screwed by this? Oh, yeah. Definitely. That was the angle. Yeah, definitely blame the photographer. Sure. Always. AQ's exact text is that fucking pick. Come on. I blame the photographer or the cheeseburger.

OK. OK, so shout out to him We have some games that have been leaked while we've been live. Remember schedule releases this evening Yeah, this is the social media team the digital team Olympics around the NFL People are starting to hint at what their videos are gonna be Pittsburgh Steelers have some of the boys acting out there Laurel Highlands I think yeah, it looks like they're acting out there you know Steelers Packers those franchises don't expect much from them tonight. They're going to do their best. They're going to try hard. But you know, this is, we're about getting wins out here during the football season.

Not so much in May for the schedule release. That's for the Chargers, Panthers, teams, teams like that. You know, that's how that goes. So, Ari Mirov has a bunch of tweets that he has put out. Shout out to Ari at My Sports Update. NFL Schedule Week, the full week one prime time schedule. Thursday night is obviously Cowboys at Eagles. That's banner night in Philadelphia.

The last banner night Philadelphia had, Philadelphia Eagles fans were booing them at halftime. Yes. Remember that? You remember that? That was just a few years back. It could be anything that could happen there. And then Chiefs and Chargers,

Friday Night in Brazil, once again, that's been kind of alluded to numerous times. That'll also be streaming live on YouTube. YouTube TV, but also on YouTube. That number's going to be fucking insane. If it is streaming just on YouTube like we are, exclusive, okay, wow.

It is going to be, I think it's on YouTube TV and on YouTube like we are and we have exclusive okay wow yeah it is gonna be I think it's on YouTube TV and on YouTube but the YouTube number is gonna be fucking absurd yeah just because the way that they can position that obviously on their website is just basically anybody on Google is potentially gonna be watching that the concurrent is gonna be record-breaking and congrats the NFL holding another record. Yeah. Which is going to be in front of everybody's eyes and shout to the chiefs being a part of opening night or opening Friday night yet again,

Ravens at bills on Sunday night football. Love that game. Love everything about that. And then Vikings at bears on Monday night football, a lot of hope and expectation for the bears to be good this year. Let's hope that that is the case. And we have a banger of primetime throughout week one there. Yeah another one that was tweeted about that I believe was from Schefter was Chiefs Cowboys on Thanksgiving as well. That is another that has been locked in.

Okay Chiefs Cowboys on Thanksgiving and then Chiefs are on Christmas. I guess the Broncos. So they got opening Friday night, they're on Thanksgiving. They're on Christmas You do some math Christmas is 25th. That's a Thursday. What's New Year's Day? The first Thursday, right? Yeah the first so how many days is that apart there seven days? I assume they're gonna be on New Year's Day as well. I assume the chiefs are doing the gamut here Yeah, and they want they want Christmas Christmas was the conversation last year. Like, Hey, we want to be the Christmas day game.

Hey, good news. They got it. They did. They got Christmas coming right down to pipe. They're a perfect color for it. Yeah. And Chiefs kingdom is obviously a perfect home for it because they're always going to show up and be big. Yeah. And it's perfect for it. It's like, uh, I'm excited for that. Here's some other games that have already been Announced across the schedule across the board and obviously we'll learn more as we go a lot of international games this year That's only going to continue to go up if you listen to Roger Goodell talk I'm gonna try to travel to more places go ahead tone

I believe it's I mean not officially officially confirmed but 99% Steelers will be going to the Jets week one so you can Almost guarantee now that Aaron's gonna sign just for spike week one. Yeah, well maybe or just to spike the schedule makers He doesn't yeah, you know, he could take this both ways here true You think it's Steelers Jets week. Oh, isn't that cute Justin Fields against Steelers? Why me against the Jets? Okay, that's cute Okay. Yeah, he might sign week two. I think I'm busy that week. There's a chance. Oh yeah?

AJ, you would know more than us. There's a chance that because they scheduled that, he goes, what am I, a fucking puppet? What is this? Yeah. In there? Possibly, yeah. Yeah, he signs like two hours after that game ends.

Yeah, there's a possibility. Yeah, I need me. That would be awesome. I saw a video with him and Mike Studd. Living good. Looks like he's happy. He loves that jump hook three. He's doing that. He tries it a few times in this video. This video is from a few months ago. Yeah, it's older. It's from Mike Studd's documentary that he released. Nice court. It's like a TBT. Got a good golf. Got a good golf got a good golf set up, too Mm-hmm. I saw Aaron with the hands, you know with the hands coming out of pocket

No, yeah, it was a little chipper was just a little chipper here Mike Stodd former college baseball player turned into rapper pop Musician and philosophizer I believe oh, yeah, right. I believe he's a philosophizer yes has pocket good money make one did he make one of these guys I've been and he makes one yeah Mike's died putting himself over smart right there in space good luck stopping it yeah walk it off three straight looks like he's in great shape looks like he's living good yeah that's from months ago he saw him at the Derby a couple weeks ago looked good looked like he like he's in great shape. Looks like he's living good. Yeah. That's from months ago. He saw him at the derby a couple weeks ago. Looked good. Looked like he was happy and in great shape.

Excited to see what he does this year. OTAs are about to start happening. Obviously the schedule's being released tonight. It's a great time to be alive. The PGA Championship starts tomorrow. Hell yeah. It's going to be good. Come on.

People are told, people's opinion of the course are torn, right? Either way, either they really love it or they don't love it as much isn't the PGA championship always the one or is that the US open? Yes, open us opens the way that always makes really hard. They're not happy because quail hollow is a PGA tour event this year It's not but normally it is a they play a PGA tour event at well hollow It's a lot of people think that a major shouldn't be played at a course where there's always an event at. Okay, got it because too many people know the course. Bingo. I appreciate that we got a little heads up from old Keith.

Mitchell. In his chest hair. Yeah. Sloppy course. Mm-hmm. Greens dry though. They got something under the greens keep the greens dry. Yeah, it can suck it can suck the water out of the greens right make it faster Yeah, so the greens fast fairway everywhere else very slow So the high ball hitters the high the guys who hit it high In far are gonna be the ones that have an advantage tone actually looked up a stat. He sent it into the group There's 11 guys that have like a high ball hitting apex 11 guys that have like a high ball hitting apex. Yeah.

180 mile plus and then 110 feet apex, I believe was what it was. Yeah. He sent it into the group. Hopefully you're able to pull it up. Yeah. Tone, I can't read this because of how small it all is. And I don't think we'll be able to. Bryson DeChambeau is at the top of hitting the ball high

and far. Min Woo Lee, who's a dog, obviously. Roy McIlroy is in the group. Gary Woodland Wyndham Clark David Puig Michael Thornberry Brooksie that's not his name you were nowhere near it close you were never near it the first four right how do they know this about Bryson and Brooks though we haven't seen him golf it's good question I know Bryson hits a high ball cuz I saw him hit it over his

house yeah yeah he does. Yep. I Don't think David Puig's gonna win. I'm gonna go on a limb and say that. Yes I kind of with you on that one. Okay I just asked my kind of big pick to click for the weekend But if you saw this and you're thinking you know what? Yeah, it's time. I'm gonna fucking lay a little money on David Puig Save save those shekels for you know a different event but this list could cement you know Bryson Rory Brooks if you wanted Rasmus yeah Ludwig Kaiser over big 2025 yeah how about this I tweeted that uh Sydney Crosby should play for America you know yeah yeah everybody was really rational with that response Canadians love it. Yeah figured that

American's too for some basically American now, I mean how long he lived in 20 years But he's doing Sidney Crosby shit at this World Games. What is this called? Nick the World Championships boom World Games and look pop pop pop pop pop pop your child goalie The other day was Latvia guy punching his fucking bucket off there up 7-2 now It's a triple deep shot How you doing up over the goalie shoulder these guys that are playing in this game had no idea Sidney Crosby was gonna be popping into this thing. They had no fucking clue who's playing for Canada Sidney Crosby's playing no way. What's that gonna be like? Well kid?

See ya, that's what it's like. You'll see that goalie's gonna have nightmares of that from the fucking rest of it I mean the puck was just going so I didn't know where I was. What is this guy? He's fighting guys doing whole thing and I tweeted I still think he should be playing for America But nonetheless Sid's doing Sid shit. Yeah, the reaction has been hilarious You fucking idiot. How'd this moron get his own show? Well, we fucker built it bitch. How about that? That's how you get it. And with that being said he's lived in Pittsburgh longer than he lived in Canada That's right. These guys are Yenzer And I know he's the greatest international player in the history of hockey

I think his record with the Canadian team is like the best record in the history of any sport playing for their international I think only has like two losses or some two or three losses. I forget what it was. It was like, what was the number like 28 and two or something like that? I forget. Yeah, it's something absurd like that. I mean, he's won the two Olympics. He's won two gold medals. So he's he's captain Canada. He's got a yin-zer. So obviously, I actually he does not somehow. Because remember at big night out, I was hoping there'd be a little bit of a he was fakeaker but I mentioned to him about how he plays for America next time and Yeah, he reacted in the same exact way as any rational human being was Don't think that's possible. But people on the internet read that surprised this piece of shit

It's like what? All right, dude, you're right. Thanks little coach. He ever coached cuz he is so into hockey I don't know what his life will be like when he's not playing hockey. That's a good question. He said he's going to play for a couple more years at Big Night Out. GM, maybe. Yeah, I'd see him more as a executive than a coach. Like Mario Lemuria, like ownership. Heizermann.

What a player, dude. He's so good. He's healthy. He played so good this year. So good. It's like skeins playing so it's so good. Sorry. They'll be back Pens at some point. It's dubious is gonna get it done cold call. Don't say what you're gonna say Yeah, what I'm gonna say no, this is honor and don't add an M to it. Don't pump do piss Yeah, get it done with the toilet. Maybe that's what he said to me. I just show you guys

Oh, I should have added an M to it. Yeah, instead of flipping the B to a P. I thought that's where you were headed. That's why it was good curveball. Do-Piss. I don't even know what N you guys are talking about. M. M. Dumb.

S. Moobus. What? I can't believe us idiots call a show. That's a good call. I love throwing tennis balls. They're the best. For real.

Hard. It was a little, it was a little. That's a tough one. There's nothing like a tennis ball with a baseball bat. Yup. Oh yeah. Bonus. Boom.

Couldn't see it on camera. What a trash can. We saw it. Get tempted to throw something. What a trash can. Yeah, we saw it. Get tempted to throw something away. In that trash can. Yep. Those trash cans on a regular basis. Thunder Buckets is dead.

No, it's not. Dead one. Once the ring leaves, we'll play again. Thunder Buckets is a dead game here. We knew it had a chance. Once the ring's gone, we'll play again. chance once the rings gone it will play again no no understand we get on his ball a deep bicep contusion so this is the thing you just got to acknowledge what you are and then play it mm-hmm it's

like people have a slice who just say, I know I'm going to hit it straight. No, you're not. OK, fucking look left. It'll come back. No, I'm going to hit it straight. Then if I do that, OK, well, if you hit it straight, then the next time we aim straight down the middle.

This time, I'm going to have to aim. I'm just going to aim past the hoop. Yeah, aim higher. Aim higher? You aim high? Shoot higher. I don't know if I aim high shoot higher watch you'll see Shoot a little higher

That me that much I you know is going you went under before you went Before I didn't know you got that in the basket. Listen, massive giveaway happening right now. Oh that's right. Okay I have a Tops card it is awesome. This is a card that I'm not a big card guy, not a big card. Was never really given a football card just to be clear never really afforded the opportunity to have a football card. Felt weird to me it was never offered but it really never was. I think there's a few of them out there.

I'm not really a big card collector guy, but there are a few in the office that are card collectors. This one looks sweet. This is one that my wife has already purchased. I would like to keep one. These are only available, I think, for the next 48 hours or so. This is available.

We have a QR code here. Boom, that'll take you right there. Right now, if you take a screenshot of your purchase of a five pack of this particular card, post it on X and use hashtag Tops McAfee. You could enter for a random drawing that will do for 20 winners and I'll sign 20 of them. And then we'll send them out. I think that that means something in the card world. I don't really understand the card gimmick as much, but I do appreciate the fact that that one's sweet

and we bought 40 of them here. We'll sign 20 of them, 20 random winners. All you gotta do is hashtag Tops McAfee and post the picture of your purchase of a five pack. Maybe we'll give away 30, this goes in. Okay. Cracking packs. Is that AMI?

That AMI. You got AMI? All right, 20 of them's all you get. Hashtag Top Smack. We appreciate you all so much and shout out to Tops for doing this. It looks cool. Who took the picture? I mean what a great picture. Yeah I don't know. Randy Johnson. Yeah. Could have been Ken Griffey Jr. Could have been Ty Herbstreet. I don't know if he has... Drew Carey. Are we just naming people now? No, he does that. He's a big photographer guy in Seattle. Could have been Tim McAfee. Tim McAfee. Could have been him. Oh. He wasn't there but he's got a good camera. Yeah. Good timing. Thanks to Topps for making that. Shout out. And shout out to you if you purchase it. All you do is post a picture of a five pack and you could potentially be one of 20 winners of an autographed card. Hashtag Tops McAfee. All right you guys have a great weekend. Watch the PGA Championship. We will be we'll be enjoying time with our families. We'll be enjoying the life of a sports fan and we'll be back for Overreaction Monday going crazy. Will the Celtics still be in it? Oh. Or will it be over?

How about in the West, will there be a clearer picture on who is gonna be taking on the Pacers in the NBA finals? I don't wanna get ahead of myself. I don't need to do that. I've just been saying since January that the best team in the NBA, now they're in the Eastern Conference finals, they're making me look really good.

I appreciate them doing that. Looks like I know ball, AJ, doesn't it? You do, you do know ball. People would also know ball if they were able to watch the Pacers. Yep. Like I think that is, they weren't really on TV ever. NBA is doing a good job of keeping them away from us, I think. It has been like a shell game somehow.

Yeah. They're playing the number one seed in the East. Yeah, but how can we, we got to put it on Turner? I'll do true TV. Actually ECF is only on Roku this year. Not getting into it. Not getting into it. A lot of people have Roku. I agree.

I have Roku. Do you really? My TV came with it. It's an app on there, right? Yeah, I never used it, but. It was a thing you used to plug into the side of the TV. That's right. Hundreds of millions, hundreds of millions. Those are fires. Yeah, I've heard no Roku has the six as well I don't think so. I've heard Roku. Yeah. Oh, yeah, they do nothing. What I've heard Roku is just like a nothing burger like

No, I seen it as the or now that could be said that some circles do say that comment Yeah, the circles I have frequented say like bro Who what is on Roku? Well? No, I like I know a lot of people have the Roku Thanks, I have never met a person who actually like you get the Roku stick and then you you watch Netflix you watch Yeah stuff that you don't I've never that's what I thought I was that's honestly I thought it was downloading the Roku app and kind of... We're learning of Roku here over the last couple days. Yeah, it's a good product.

I have the sticks, but I use it to watch YouTube and Netflix on the TV that you don't...isn't normal. Like, I did that back in the day before the TV had it on there. Yeah, and I actually haven't heard it's a good product. Oh, you haven't? No, I've just heard that. I was just kind of saying that. We don't know much about it. No, I don't know much about it.

We don't know enough about it. Hundreds of millions Make sense with it. All right AJ you're the man. Have a great weekend with all the kids You too. Happy birthday. Oh Yes birthdays yesterday. Yeah, appreciate it. Thank you He doesn't look like your kid at all Thank you. Your kids all look like your kids. Yeah like

Your kids all look like your kids. Like, they were AJ Hulks. I'm too close to it. Did you know Axl's middle name is after Chris Jericho? I had no idea. Axl Jericho? Yeah. For Y2J, you guys were... Well, you know, I mean, if Chris Jericho is in the room, then yes, it is absolutely for Chris Jericho.

Chris Jericho is not in the room currently. Let's say he's listening though. What would it be for then? I mean, just because it's sweet in the room currently. Let's say he's listening though. What would it be for then? I mean, just because it's sweet, it's from biblical, all that, and we wanted to make him AJ Junior. I mean, he's not AJ Junior, but his initials are the same.

Yeah, but wouldn't that have to be Aaron James? Cause that's what you are to be a junior. It feels like officially a junior, but there's no rules when it comes to names. You can do whatever the hell you want. You call him Deuce? We should call him Deuce. We ever think about calling Axl Deuce?

Axl, good name. I don't know why you want to get rid of him. I think the same name thing isn't that the first and the second versus juniors? Or the first. Yeah. Well like Clay, so Clay Matthews, he wasn't the first born son, but he is his dad. He is like the third. The third, yeah, Clay Matthews.

Congrats Clay by the way, signing with Bussin. I believe he's going to be doing some more media stuff. Like to see that. Oh yeah. Cut a presidential promo at the draft. That was awesome. Right there at Green Bay. That was hilarious. Out of the letter.

Yeah. The Bear Stealth Song. Yeah! Place with ape shit. Yeah, it did. Green Bay was a great host. It was. Will Pittsburgh be the same?

I think so. Yeah, they already got the countdown clock up, so. Where are they putting it at? The countdown clock is at the point. I know they're doing a huge project to renovate that this year. So I don't know if that's where it's at. I don't know if there's enough room there. Not counting down to the season.

Already looking ahead. They're hosting an event for the NFL. That's kind of weird. They're hosting an event for the NFL for nine Sundays. Yeah, they have a countdown to the season. Everybody's brain already knows what it is. I haven't heard about that. I was an event for the NFL for nine Sundays. Yeah, they They have a countdown to the season figure they well Everybody's brain already knows what I've heard about that. They get in her car Dv tells them we got this many Sundays into fucking Pittsburgh's Taylor Sunday. That's what they say. I hope The 2026 NFL draft is still being finalized

The main portion of the event is expected to incorporate elements of Pittsburgh's North Shore and Point State Park as well as elements of Pittsburgh's North Shore and Point State Park as well as Acresure Stadium with a variety of venues to be utilized and activated within close proximity. All right if they do go down at a point with stadium is kind of across the river there that would be pretty nice. Yeah I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of views a lot of areas that you can do it in. A lot of huge like I think if people are gonna look like you're packed in there. Yeah yeah. Getting in and out of there is gonna be fun.

I'm a little worried about- Need a boat. It's pretty compact. Everything's pretty compact down there. Yeah, I'm a little worried about day two, day three, people still having the excitement to do all the shit to get there. You know?

Why isn't it in the south side? There's no room over here. Come on. They should just shut down the south side. They should just shut that fucker down She did it cuz digs pool That's an idea paradise day Could fill that up I know

It's a big pool filled up right now. Of course coach digs is in there. How's the weather where you guys are? It's been raining a ton, but it's if it not rain it's very humid. It was coming down this morning. Also this is gonna be a shocker. Coach is at the elbow room right now. He's down in Florida? Yeah he texted me he said hey watching you guys on TV's elbow room. Maybe they do it. It's in Pittsburgh. Should do it at the elbow room. Alright everybody have a great four day weekend. We can't thank you enough. AJ, great work this week.

Really crushed it. Thank you. Boys in the back, really good work. Really good. Good work, boys. Good work, boys. The graphic design, boys. Really good.

Really good. Can't wait to see you do that. Oh, you know, those multiple backflips, D-Bone. Yeah, we need you to do the back handspring party like Ninja Mac is the name. Okay. D-Bone could do it. I could see D-Bone. Yeah, we need to do the back handspring party, like Ninja Mac is the name. Okay. D-Bone could do it. I could see D-Bone getting in there and doing it.

Yeah, I think so. D-Bone said he plans on getting in good shape by football season, isn't that right? We just have to hang like a box of McCrispy strips or something at the end and he'll just fall. Come on. All the way down there. Come on.

Probably would. Yeah. And he wouldn't kiss those. He ain't knocking those over. No. Girl Scout cookies showed up in our office out of nowhere. Nobody brought them. And somehow nobody brought them. They were the worst.

The worst collection of girls. The coconut ones or whatever? Not the worst. That's crazy. You guys are asinine. This is this might be a generation of chocolate peanut butter one We agree yes, but that doesn't mean the worst fucking one coconut one should be burned Yeah, go away you agree with AJ who only eats bullshit, so Doesn't help my coconut guy. I'm not a coconut guy. That's a samosa boy.

Yeah, you don't like samosas. That's interesting. Watch your mouth. I thought you were an ooz. I thought you were an ooz. You better watch your mouth right now. That's weird. It's called samosas, whatever the hell they're called.

I'm talking about Girl Scout cookies right now. That one, not my favorite. I understand people that do like it, but if you don't like you're not gonna like that one okay that is just I don't like coconut anyways it was that one okay so obviously yeah no way I'm doing that and then there was the plane like probably the one that you like the most it's just a plain ass that one sucks yeah and cream yeah whatever it is just plain looking ass the blue box okay's okay. Yeah, you love that White or you and then there was three thin mints fire three thin mints

Yeah, they were the original believe Simmons probably where you reach up So I appreciate their service for this entire thing But that was the worst collection of Girl Scout cookie purchases I've ever seen they just showed up here this morning Nobody brought him in okay. I don't know how how that happens I have no idea how that happens you started burying him too early that's how it happened yeah we should have complimented it a little bit yeah cuz I went over there and I go these are all ass the fuck yeah this is the worst collective whoever brought him in so he just quieted down started kept typing wherever they were it actually stood up awesome Zeta brought those in, I saw. Falk. He said. He screamed.

No, that's when he forgot to, he forgot to write something down. Yeah, well, the Falk was, Met had a couple moments this morning that were really good. The whole office got to hear him and his takes and his opinions. I saw Zeta bring those Girl Scout cookies in.

Zeta was like, I found them in the front room. So somebody had to bring them in the front room. Oh, and he sits down. Shit. Wait, I know where found him in the front room. So somebody had to bring him in the front room. Oh, and he sits down. Shit, wait, I know where everything is in the front room. I am the front room, basically, is what he said. And then there was another one that had a graphic of some sort. He forgot to write, four, sure wrote it down.

It was such a good idea. Mitt, you're trying, good work this week, Mitt. Thank you, Mitt. Good boy, Mitt. Worst Girl Scout Cookie Collection we've ever had. It's not true, But no questions asked. Now there are, I'm asking you a question right now. So you think if that collection, because there's so many good options, I think of Girl Scout

Cookies, yeah, was placed against any other collection. That's not what I'm saying. I said it's a shit collection. You said it's the worst. Potentially. That's not what I'm saying. I said it's a shit collection. You said it's the worst Potentially now cuz I think you put them in in Samoans top four both of them and then you got the tag along that one And then and then you have a floating Scale other box that just slides in there sometimes Shots in the girl scout cookies. Where's they gonna make so much money on where's it all go? Good question

Probably to that cool bunker Heard about that bunker and then Joey Boses like what's up? Do you on Dawkins good to talk to you? Love football. They call you snow. Haha. I'm trying to never see that in my bunker And then they just roll right into a bunker conversation That sounds like that is exactly how it was. So is everyone? Yeah, so the bunker talk is we're going down Yeah, we're going down you could YouTube there's some there's some guys that have great YouTube channels that are burying bunkers in people's yards

That are awesome. I mean Zuckerberg has the 240 million dollar bunker. Yeah, why what was that show? What was that show paradise paradise? Very good. Is that the one that was all done? No silo or something? No silo is all down. Yeah. And that show took a turn at the end of the last season. But paradise is about a bunker built inside a mountain in the Rockies. Not really a bunker. It's like the size of Toledo is what they said. Oh, ton. Yeah. Which is what you ever tour that green bar one you guys ever toured the Greenbriar, big old bronco that was secret and then all of a sudden got found out

and now it gives tours? Greenbriar, West Virginia? Yeah, they have a huge bunker there. No, but the only thing I remember from Greenbriar is one time in the casino and they maybe put a fake pair of dress pants on. That's true. Size 46.

Had to put these dress pants on because I had shorts on all out in the casino of shorts So they pulled a pair of suit pants out from the back. Here's 48 still fit. I wait a great time on Jay Z's bus Yeah, we did great times Jay Z's bus Jay D. John Daly I don't think so. Yeah. I don't think so. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. We're gonna sing together.

Okay. Great work boys. Team on me. Have a great weekend. Team on three. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye.