The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1348 - Game 4 Tuesday LIVE from Gainbridge Fieldhouse with Shams Charania, Peter Schrager, Hans Perez, Darius Butler

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

On today's show, Pat, Peter Schrager, Darius Butler, and the boys are LIVE from outside the Gainbridge Fieldhouse ahead of Game 4 between the Indiana Pacers & the New York Knicks. In the first hour, we preview tonight's action, including the return to the arena by Tyrese Haliburton's dad, John Haliburton, and recap Game 4 that saw the Oklahoma City Thunder take a 3-1 lead over the Minnesota Timberwolves. ESPN's Senior NBA Insider Shams Charania joined the progrum to talk all things NBA, including a prediction that this NBA offseason will be "the most craziest ever", where Giannis Antetokounmpo may end up, the allure of the Pacers organization for free agents league wide, an update on Jayson Tatum's recovery, the latest on LeBron James' player option, what's ahead for the Boston Celtics, and more. ESPN NFL Analyst & die-hard New York Knicks fan Peter Schrager also joins us to chat about what he expects tonight & in the rest of the series, what he likes about the Jaguars offseason, his sense of Jaire Alexander's standing with the Packers, and more. We are also joined by legendary Pacers fan from New York in Hans Perez, to recap everything that's happened since he was hit with a trash bag in a viral video & the whirlwind that brought him to Indianapolis for tonight's game. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN's YouTube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow. Cheers.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to Indianapolis, Indiana. Outside of Cambridge Fieldhouse, this is game four Tuesday, May 27, 2025. This program starts now. Pacers are obviously alive and well here in Indianapolis, Indiana. What we have with this Pacers team is a collection of men that represent this city, this state, and this town so damn well. And although they lost game three at home to the dumb New York Knicks after having a

20-point lead, they really gave it up. That has been the story of this particular Pacers team. Now, the Pacers have never won on Indianapolis 500 Sunday in the history of the Pacers. The Pacers have also lost game threes consecutively in multiple series in this particular run of the playoffs. But tonight, in this building that we are right outside of, there's about to be an electricity, a vibe, a feeling that is gonna be felt through the television

as the entire state of Indiana rallies behind Tyrese Halliburton and the boys. Jalen Brunson and this New York Knicks team are a bunch of dogs. They are certainly worthy of being Eastern Conference finalists. But tonight what you're gonna see is the same thing you saw in games one and games two. This Pacers team is gonna get back on track with a great group of Hoosiers behind them ready to lose their minds.

Now it's not just me up on this stage. No, no, I'm lucky to be joined by a great group of men. Ladies and gentlemen, one half of the hammer, the Cowboys' AP tone is here. Tone, a lot of people lost money on Sunday betting on the Indiana Pacers, especially whenever they were up 20. Thought it was a foregone conclusion

that they were gonna go up 3-0, and maybe a sweep this evening was in the works. the Knicks get a win they still won in game three what's the money looking like this evening for the Gombler's of this Eastern Conference finals yeah game three did not deter Vegas they made Pacers the the favorites again for game four they are minus two and a half tonight against the New York Knicks I think if people are smart they're gonna go ride with the Pacers again tonight. First three, or the first, yeah,

three series that they played, they lost game three, so it was nothing out of the normal for the Pacers. They are undefeated in games four and five, so maybe they're for the same tonight. Whoa. Okay, I hope so. And you know, the Pacers have this trend of being able to run everybody off the court.

They run, they run, they run, they run. The fact that the Knicks were able to get back in the fourth quarter the way they did, behind Carl Anthony, times, Cat goes for 20. He goes absurd. Had some passes that people were talking about on the internet, the way he won about doing his thing was certainly remarkable.

20 points in the fourth quarter for Cat, 20 points in total for the Indiana Pacers in the fourth quarter. Gonna have to change that. The fourth quarter is where the Pacers have been the Indiana Pacers in the fourth quarter. Going to have to change that the fourth quarter is where the Pacers have been able to eat because they wear other teams down. How will the Knicks feel in this game for how will the Knicks feel have to feel it after spending a few days in the beautiful city of Indianapolis Indiana.

And how about some Knicks fans we see out here. They're wearing orange and blue. Oh yeah. We got a couple of Knicks fans that are going to join us on this stage. Obviously Coastal Elitists have made their way out here in the United States of America and they're enjoying some great weather. It is spectacular out here today. Let's go to the toxic table at Boston Connor at Ty Schmidt.

Ty, I see where the Pacers jersey on pal. Have you fully committed to being a Pacers fan? Yeah, without a doubt. I don't have an NBA team uh you know Midwest guy you could go with the Bulls I love Tyrese Halberd other than the fact that you know he went to Iowa State which I can live with that I can get over that Pacers also got James Johnson you know former stalwart on the 2011 Iowa energy uh one of the best players in course of course you know, I mean,

hell of a season, but yeah, it just, you, you mentioned it pace of play, like the way the Pacers play, if you are an NBA fan or just a basketball fan in this area of the country, and you, you don't really have an allegiance to someone Pacers are pretty damn good team to kind of, you know, jump on the boat. Now granted, you know, people might call me a bandwagon. Okay. Yeah. You wait until this, this team's got, you know,

their eyes on an NBA championship. I'm fine with that. So be it. So be it. Yes, sirs, go sirs. I love the Pacers. I'm a Pacer guy for life now. And that's how it should be.

Yeah, I don't know if you're gonna be a Pacers guy for life. We know how that works. Congratulations. Yeah, but next 50, 60 years of your life, you're gonna be a Pacer. We like that. Uh-huh. Let's go to at Boston Connor, a man who lives in downtown Indianapolis, Yeah, but next 50, 60 years of your life. Yeah, we like that.

Let's go to at Boston, Connor, a man who lives in downtown Indianapolis wearing his Boston Celtics jacket, obviously. Have to. I don't think you have to. You could have came out here and said, you know what? I'm a citizen. I'm a member of this community. I could have came out and supported the Indiana Pacers, who have been so good to us.

The Pacers obviously allow us this court, the Morris Bicentennial Plaza, easy for you all to say. It is a wonderful setup outside of Gamebridge. They put a nice skating rink out here. Obviously there's people that play pick up out here. It's a nice draw. There's concessions out there. Yeah, Tyrese Halliburton's been incredible for our show. You could have easily picked up the Pacers as your team, especially since you live two

blocks from here. Instead, you're have easily picked up the Pacers as your team, especially since you live two blocks from here. Instead, you're holding strong with the Celtics. What do you see of this Pacers team that maybe make you think they can do what the Celtics have been able to do in the past? And that's hoist a trophy at the end of this season. Yeah, I don't know if anybody can do what the Celtics have done, you know,

throughout the history of the NBA. But with the Pacers, there's a lot of things, they run and gun, you know, it was real cool when they were up 20. Oby Toppin doing the alley-o alley oops Ty Reese still in the basketball I mean personally if both these teams could lose it'd be the perfect situation for me just because then everyone can kind of realize wow what the Boston Celtics done was unbelievable but my biggest thing especially going into tonight you

know Timmy Chalamet he's cool he ain't no John Halliburton okay John Papa Halliburton's back, baby. I think that is the biggest storyline tonight. That's a lot of moxie in one building. We'll see, you know, if I'm Rick Brunson, I got my eyes peeled. I'm sitting on the bench here, but I don't bring to a team what Papa Halliburton does.

So I could see this being a runaway 40, 50, 60 point game for the Pacers. We would all enjoy that on a work night Tuesday night. If this thing was over earlier than expected. Yeah. Papa Halliburton is back only

allowed to sit in a suite though only not a lot of his feet on the wood because they don't know if he's going to start dancing again. You know they don't want them. They don't want him to do that. But it's great that he's back a

chance to experience this type of run and especially with what his kid has been accomplishing. We'll talk to Shams Sharanya here in a matter of moments. He'll probably have more on the Papa Halliburton story and a lot of other stories around the NBA. Let's go to nine-year NFL vet. Indianapolis Colt, great.

Ladies and gentlemen, Darish J. Butler is here. D-Butch, I call this city home. Obviously you're here like four days a week for a large portion of your life. You have a house here, an apartment here. You had a lot of great things happen here. The Indiana people deserve this run that the Pacers are having and with the way the Colts have been, okay? Yeah, I mean this weekend they were great. They might be back. Yeah, just real quick. Danny Dimes I heard was at the back. He was enjoying his Indy 500 Sunday.

Don't look now. Daniel Jones might have found his home out here in Indianapolis. But with the Pacers having their run right now, feels great for the city, especially one that we have such close ties to. It feels great for the city. We know Peyton, man,

they kind of made this a football city, but this is a basketball state, you know, a state full of Hoosiers. They love their ball and they're on a hell of a run now South Florida kids so I grew up a Miami Heat fan still a Miami Heat fan so we had a lot of tough battles in the conference finals with the Pacers I respect the Pacers fan respect the Pacers program hate the Knicks though hate the Knicks especially being in Florida with all these New Yorkers that come down so just to hear

that mouth I know we lost game three. And I'm saying we very loosely because I am here. It will be so sweet for them to win the conference finals in New York. So I can't wait for that to happen. And it starts with a big win tonight. It certainly does. And you know, the other series happening

in the Western Conference was a little bit of an indicator of what could potentially take place for game three. You know, the Minnesota Timberwolves at home smack OKC. They get back, wait a minute, does that mean the Knicks are alive? Yes, the Knicks get a big time win in game three as well. Well, if last night's an indicator of what is about to happen on this particular evening,

it looks like the Pacers are gonna get back on track. Oklahoma City gets a close, spectacular dub over, you know, this Minnesota Timberwolves team is interesting. They're very fascinating. The way they go about playing, they were able to answer OKC, answer OKC, answer OKC. But in the end, you make your free throws, you do battle Oklahoma City's up 3-1. Is that an indicator on what happens tonight?

I think so. Congrats Oklahoma City being what they've been all season, which is some closers, some winners, some absolute dogs, Jalen, unbelievable. Caruso had a couple sick reverse layups down the stretch. Obviously SGA is going to do his thing. And I believe Oklahoma City feels comfortable in being able to lock this up 3-1, but they were in a dog fight last night, D-Bud. Yeah, they were in a dog fight.

They figured out. You talk about this Timberwolves team being interesting. It's too much up and down, especially from their stars. We know how important the stars are on the biggest stage for a guy like Julius Randall to have a good game and then to show up and have five, six points. And the same thing with, obviously they're gonna double, they're gonna send blitzes at him,

but he's gotta be more impactful on this game. And I think you gotta hold down, obviously, home court. So this is a battle, and OKC, you mentioned it. This is who they've been wire to wire. Then you got the hold down obviously home court. So this is a battle no KC you mentioned it This is who they've been wired or wired and you got the MVP dropping the 40 40 ball You're gonna win those type of games. He shows up I know it's a lot being said about him being a free throw merchant being this being that but he's Doris Burke dropping that one in the middle of the game again. Yeah. Yeah, I'll tell you what I've never met Doris I've watched her do a lot of work whenever I do anything

I can't be like checking my Twitter mentions You know because normally there's some positive a lot of hey this guy needs to never have a microphone in front of him again That's the nature of the beast wherever you're in this I was I was called Monday Night Raw last night down in Tampa Bay Beautiful city hot as hell. I checked my phone see the trending topics, you know? AMAs was right there at the top, no Taylor Swift. Yeah, interesting. What's that all about? Good question. Sierra looked great.

I heard, I heard there was a lot of great things. AMAs number one. Obviously WW Raw was number two, shout out to Raw. And then number three was Doris Burke. I was like, Doris must have a good call. I clicked on it, holy shit. There isn't a single positive. Doris cannot check her ex.

Hey Doris, keep doing your thing, Doris. Keep doing your thing. And also if you know Doris, I think we should send her some positive messaging. I think if you know Doris and have her phone number, which we do not, should text her positive stuff because it gets loud out there for Doris, but yes, the Free Throw Merchant line

is one of the ones that kind of sparks the fire. Also I think there was a World War II reference out there sure but the free throw merchant ones the big conversation that everybody rallies around and Jamal Crawford came on and he said if you were to eliminate free throws SGA would still be the leading scorer in the NBA and he wasn't just talking about SGA's free throws He was talking about the entire league's free throws If you got rid of all free throws for everybody S SJ would still be the highest scoring player in the NBA he's such a talent he's so damn good which is why I think everybody hates the way it kind of goes about getting his the fouls and the free throws I think

that is part of the problem no doubt I mean the guy scores 40 points though you understand if he's getting you know 28 points a game and he has 14 free throws yeah guy dropped 40 he was unbelievable last night almost had a triple double the other guy in by the way with Dor, T's and P's, but also for everybody watching tonight, TNT game. So, you know, you can put your phones down, swords down. Reggie Miller is going to be in the building. I think a lot of people on the internet are going to be happy about that. I'm not saying I'm one of those, but once again, I think it's a much more enjoyable night. But another guy

for OKC and a lot of people kind of talk about OKC with this caveat of, you know, they have this seven to freak no one likes to look at. But Chet Holmgren was fantastic tonight. Who says that? Who says he's a seven to freak? A lot of people are saying, hey, when we kind of looks cool because he's that tall. Other people are saying like, hey, check Holmgren kind of looks like a freak. I mean, he's seven foot two. He's going to look different.

Obviously, humans aren't supposed to be that tall, that athletic. Chet's a dog, though. He was like eight of nine last night. I forget what it was. Almost a perfect game for Chet

Holmgren. Yeah, he had a massive block down the stretch when they were trading baskets when Caruso and Jalen Williams had their massive threes to answer, you know, Jada McDaniel's hand. Yeah, we lost you completely. Yeah, I have been static since I sat up here.

But Jalen Williams. Still at it? Oh yeah, exactly. But Ant had his first three later in the game and then Chad Holmgren had a massive block down the stretch. So if him, Jalen Williams and SGA are going, you know, we can have fun in the game four in Indiana, but there's a Titan staring down the barrel on the other side. The conference finals have certainly been electrifying.

Got a lot of people saying, wow, ESPN's going to be pissed if this is OKC Indiana. Certainly. I don't think that's true. This Pacers team is must watch. Battle of Tornado Alley. Must, must, must watch. OKC, must watch.

It's electrifying through and through. If the Knicks get a big time win, obviously a lot of people in suits are going to be excited, which we'll talk to a few of them. But it looks like we're staring down a potential OKC pacer final, and that's going to be a lot of running, a lot of gunning, a lot of bopping wood, a lot of good defense. That's what basketball is all about. Before we bring up Shams, we've got to hit some other things that happen in the sports world.

Alex Palo won the 109th running of the Indy 500. First ever Spaniard to win the Indy 500. Congrats to him. He has won the IndyCar series multiple times, three out of the last four years. Back to back, he's won the entire IndyCar season. Had never won the Indy 500. He picks up a massive win on Sunday after a great race. Great race. Great race. got a chance to be there, they're saying, now this is just the people that I've talked to, sources have said 400,000 plus people

at that Indy 500. This city is equipped to host that type of thing. This city hosts the largest sporting event on earth every single year. This one was sold out and packed to the gills. 400,000 plus people came to watch these cars go 230 miles plus for 500 miles. A lot of action, a lot of action.

The pits were alive and well, not always good. There were some crashes before the race even started. It was electrifying and we appreciate the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and we appreciate everybody that went out there and congrats to Palo. There was also a lot of drama. So Joseph Newgarden, back to back Indy 500 winner,

was disqualified from even qualifying for the Indy 500. He was placed 32 or something, because they welded the back piece of his car to get a little bit better aerodynamics. He would have known nothing about it, because what they were doing to that particular car would actually break his back. So something that he would not be on board with.

So Joseph Newgarden had no clue that this was happening. So he gets disqualified to qualify. So they put him at 32. Now after the races, for instance, Ericsson who ran number two in two other cars did not pass post race inspections. So they got sent to the back as well. Penske, who owns IndyCar, Indianapolis Motor Speedway, and the Indy 500, a man who's been around racing

for his entire adult life, I do believe, loves cars. He has Joseph New Garden's car. So I think there was a chance that they said, oh, my car is illegal, let's make sure in this post-game, in post-race inspections we're doing some looking around, and dready cars got fined, other cars got dinged. They're in the middle of a massive transition right now for the Indy 500, and I think everybody's lucky

the Palo won, because if number two, Ericsson wins that, and his car doesn't pass post-race inspections, chaos happens in the Indy car world. So congrats to Palo winning clean, and congrats to Indy car being in the middle of a transition period right now, where I think they're about to lock down and be bigger than ever. Anytime you hold an event where 400,000 plus people come, you're doing something right. Congrats to IndyCar, congrats to the Indy 500 and congrats to Paulo, the first ever

Spaniard of Chip Ganassi racing winning a 500-mile race. He took the lead with 14 laps left and then just never looked back. He dominated. Yeah. And if Erickson would have won, it would have been two years in a row where they would have had a little bit of a ma Asterix on the winner. So that would have been bad. But 400,000 people there. The race was electric. Our guy Connor daily was making moves up to the front before he had an issue. Joseph New garden issue in the pits. There was a lot of issue in the pits. A crew member almost lost his leg in the pits. There was a lot going on like the early part when it was delayed and then there was what three cautions early was like

The Glock one didn't even make it to the race Dicking around he's warming up the tires 500 man lock in what are we doing dicking around like that? He's warming up the tires because it was chilly out there, Bob I mean I get it, we're having fun, but this is what happens when you have fun. You spin out like a buffoon, and then you're in the middle of the infield holding your head in your hands.

Hey, buddy, come on, some people bet money on this thing. On you, Scotty, you son of a bitch. Thanks a lot for nothing. You think Scotty's happy about how that went, Don? You can't be. You think Scotty's happy about what happened there, Colin? I don't know if Scotty's happy. You said you lost money.

You know how much money Scotty lost? I don't know. Was he out of there early? Was he eating dinner by the time the race ended? Because he was like, you know what? Shit, maybe I did lose. But it's nice to be in my loafers hanging out. No, Scotty's a racer.

He wanted to be there. He's heading to Detroit next week. He gave a statement about next year's Indy 500. He's going to be on it. He's going to be on it. He's going to be ready. Learned a lesson. The rookie who came from F2 was sitting on the pole.

We thought there was a chance that Indy 500 was going to swallow him, especially if all the Indy cars got around him. He certainly dropped back into the pack quickly, and then in pit, he almost... I mean, that was a dangerous situation. There was a lot of dangerous situations in the pit. Certainly a much better race than any other race that happened the entire Sunday. F1 started with Monaco in the morning. That was electrifying. Listen, listen, I'll be honest. So qualifying Saturday, always electric at Monaco. That was single-handedly the worst sporting event I've ever spent an hour and a half actually

watching. It was absolutely terrible. It was everything you guys have said it has been. But that's Monaco, baby. It is a spectacle. It's for the snobs to kind of get up, link up. The race was terrible. The top four drivers, they stay in the top four the entire time. What?

Shout out to Lando. Lando won, and Monaco won. Lando, him and Vanderstopp in up there battling. McLaren still at the top of the leaderboard. He got to win, which is still a huge deal in F1 if you win in Monaco. But the cars are too big. You can't pass.

You literally can't pass. So obviously, that's racing. I don't know what the hell happened in NASCAR. Nicole called a 600. Kyle crashed. So he crashed here and there? Yeah, it's a tough day for Kyle Larson. You think it's a wrap for the old two? He's done with the double. Yeah, I don't think Kyle's gonna be doing 500 again. Okay.

Which we will miss him. We appreciate him, Kyle. It's got a lot of racing left, maybe in future. You didn't get a chance to chat with him because you got sick from that popcorn. Oh, right. I forgot about that slight corn allergy I got. He was a small guy. He's a small guy. He's a good racer. Yeah, a lot of those drivers are small, though. I don't think his Indy car was fast enough. He knew it. Going at, yeah. You can tell if your car is fast. That's like New Garden was starting at 32.

He was the fastest car ever to start at 32. So I see his making his move through the pack. It was very obvious like, oh, this guy's car is better than everybody else. Then he has a pit problem. Everything goes to shit. And he's out. That sucked. Yeah, it does.

It's a lot of, you gotta get lucky at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Paolo did that. What other news happened around the sports world? Caitlin Clark will be out for at least two weeks. She has a quad strain that has been bugging her since training camp. That stinks for the fever, obviously. That stinks for our city. That also stinks for the WNBA as a whole. Feels like this year a lot of more common sense is kind of settling in. Caitlin Clark is the needle mover. The Indiana Fever are the draw.

They're going to be without CC for at least a couple of weeks as she rests and tries to heal up a quad strain. That sucks for everybody in the WNBA. It definitely sucks for the Fever here, Ty. Yeah, without a doubt. And you hate to say it, but this will be the litmus test for the WNBA. We'll end the conversation once and for all.

If the Fever go out and the ratings aren't the same because she's not playing, then it's a pretty clear indication. Like you said, like she is the needle mover. She is the main draw. You just hope that the fever can withstand it as well. Because two weeks, I mean, that's a decent chunk of games in their season.

And they've been off to a good start here. You hope they don't- 42 games or 44 games, I think. Yeah, something like that. So I mean, what? She'll probably miss what? Like eight games maybe. Give or take six to eight games.

It's a lot of games. That's if she stays on track for recovery. Because you know, these soft tissue injuries, the calves, the quads, the hammies, those are kind of touch and go each individual injury. So you said it's been bothering her since training camp. That's what they said. Yeah, that was a report.

Been kind of gutting it out. That's tough, especially all the running and was report being kind of gutting it out That's tough Especially all the running and change of direction at basketball players does do so I'm hopefully hopefully CC gets back there sooner than later And like you said the fever can hold surface they are they put a good roster around Caitlin So I'm hopefully a roster roster dogs on that team. Yeah, and she was the MVP I don't know if my mic is working. Yes. Yes. Okay, great and Not to mention some of these arenas the arenas have been moved on away games to She was the MVP. I don't know if my mic is working. It is. It is. Okay, great.

And not to mention some of these arenas, the arenas have been moved on away games to the massive stadium. So you wonder if, you know, those screenshots, you talk about the litmus test, the screenshots from those arenas without Caitlin Clark now might be very, very bad, but it is a bummer. She was, you know, going to win the MVP still might, you know, that's not not out of the question at all, but she was the know going to win the MVP still might you know that's not not out of the question at all but she was the betting favorite I'm gonna say this after watching WNBA clips on the Internet a lot of them a lot of them a lot of highlights or lowlights getting spruced together yeah if Angel Reese gets

good around the hoop cool my problematic she looks like a varsity player going against JV she had five rebounds in. She had five rebounds in 19 seconds. Yeah, five rebounds in 19 seconds. I know everybody's saying like you shouldn't be able to do that. You're whatever the case but imagine she starts putting those in. I mean that's going to be she's potentially getting 40-40. Micah Drew, that's all she needs. Anybody not familiar with the Micah Drew is you go to the hoop, left hand layup, right hand layup, left hand layup, right hand layup. If I'm her coach, if I'm in her camp, two hours of that every day, cardio, workout. I mean, you're talking about maybe

most dominant player of all time. She's hucking that thing off the backboard, grabbing it. There's nobody else even on the court. Just five rebounds in 19 seconds. That has to be the most, in the quickest amount of time in the history of professional basketball. Imagine those start falling, that's a problem. Yeah a Fever fan, I'm sitting here, they talk about the Fever Sky Raverie and everybody says it's not a Raverie because Sky aren't

good and everything like that. It's like, she starts making those? Game changer. Oh my God. It's not an exaggeration. She starts doing the Mike and Drill, we might be looking at 40-40. 40 points, 40 rebounds every single night. Yeah. We need to prepare for that. We got two weeks without Kaley. Exactly.

We need to get ready for everything about that. All right, let's get some more NBA news, shall we? Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, front of the program, a man who's incredibly handsome, a man who actually said, I'm going to get out of Minnesota, and I'm going to come over here to Indianapolis to celebrate the day with the great people of Indiana. Ladies and gentlemen, Sean Sharana.

Yeah. How you doing, Sean? Hey. Ladies and gentlemen, Shams Sharron. Yeah. Howdy, baby, Shams. Hey. Hey. Hey, hey, hey. Get the clapperboard, Shams. He said make more noise. He's got juice.

You want a little louder? Howdy, baby, Shams. What's up, baby? Let's get it. Oh. Let's get it. How about that? A little pop.

Hey, we gotta bring the excitement. A little pop for Shams? This is a historic show. This is his so to me. This is a moment You know from where this was six years ago. You're on site for an NBA playoff game. Tell you yeah, you're right NBA playoff game Big deal big deal. We're talking earlier about how the Pacers threatened to sue me like eight years ago So I decided I was never gonna talk to them, I thought they were suing you today. No, they might.

I mean, who knows with their style. I think it is a new group of people. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. Tyrese Halliburton comes into this city, gets traded obviously from Sacramento over here. He takes our city over. I mean, he embodies everything that this city is about. He's kind of a nerd, got a lot of moxie, works his ass off, loves living here.

That is a team represented by a guy who loves the city and the city loves him. So as soon as I got a chance to meet Ty Reese, as soon as I got a chance to chat with him, a lot of new people in positions here at the Pacers as well, it has been an honor to be a Pacers fan again. I told you the story about my first couple years in the league here, whenever the Heatles were taking on the Pacers,

I was a pillar at these games. I was at basically every single Pacer. I was pulling boards. I was making the whole thing games. I was at basically every single thing. I was pulling boards I was making a whole thing happen. It's to sell out. Yeah, I mean about 5,000 tickets one game so we could get a sellout here Yeah, I mean no thing Yeah, I thought I was I thought I was tight with the Pacers and then they threaten to sue me and it's like okay I hate you forever and I don't I'm all the way back and They're a great team to represent this great city. Now, let's talk about it.

Game three, they give up a 20-point lead at home. What are you hearing from the Pacers' camp? What are you hearing from the Knicks' camp? I feel like the Knicks probably have to feel great about how game three went for the rest of the series. Oh, shut up! The Pacers haven't won a game three all playoffs. They've won every other game.

So to me, it's the attention to detail, the discipline. Clearly when you go up 20 points, they let go of the gas a little bit, but you have to give the Knicks a lot of credit. They went into that fourth quarter, they were down, and you saw what Carl Anthony Towns did. He played like a flat out superstar in that game. And that to me is a positive sign, right?

Because in a lot of ways, there's that question, right? Can Jalen Brunson be the best player on your team to win a championship? But that's why you bring in a guy like Carl Anthony Townsend. He's supposed to be that guy, and he played like that guy. So if they get that superstar effort from him again, I think this Knicks team should feel really good about themselves.

What happened? There's a lot of stuff coming out about Jalen Brunson and Cat not being on the court at the same time, not good for the Knicks or something like that? There was foul trouble. Jalen Brunson was in foul trouble. So I'm not going to buy into that. I would like to say as somebody that has not done the research or the stats. Sure. Yeah. Keep Jalen Brunson on the bench.

I think that's a good play. They're not sitting Jalen Brunson unless he's in foul trouble or if he gets hurt. That's those only ways he doesn't play 40. I thought stats were saying that he needs to not be on the court. Keep him on the bench. Whatever stats are saying that they need to be louder And I will say that I like it Tom Thibodeau went nine players deep in his rotation. What's the knock on Tom Thibodeau, right? He only goes seven deep or eight deep in a playoff game doesn't really trust his bench. Well, he trusted his bench

He didn't play campaign had to Right played a lot in game three So you're going with a more defensive-minded player at that position. You move Mitchell Robinson in the starting lineup, so you give Carl Anthony Towns some defensive support. But then you have Josh Hart coming off the bench. I think that gives you another look as well,

another shot creator coming off that bench. But at the end of the day, this is going to come down to this. Can Carl Anthony Towns and Jalen Brunson play like superstars? If they can, this Knicks team can make it to the finals. If not, the Pacers are too good. The Pacers are too good and they're too deep. And the way Pascal Siakam is playing right now, he's playing like a superstar. Yeah, Siakam obviously the only All-Star for the Indiana Pacers. We're lucky to get him in a trade from Toronto.

Love everything he's about. Just loves ball. Yeah. Just loves ball. That's what this Indiana Pacers team is. They just love ball. And I think that's why the city loves them so much, because their maximum effort. Now, let's talk about a guy that I love. I assume of the city loves he's back in the building tonight the aura of Papa Halliburton is back. Okay, three pops So we're gonna make this decision was at the NBA was at the Pacers and what are the stipulations?

I know he's not allowed to touch the wood. Yeah, he's not gonna be sitting courts. He's gonna be sitting He is barred from courtside. He's going to be sitting up in his suite. He is barred from courtside. He's not going to be sitting on the court. I think, you know, for any games moving forward, home games, definitely he's going to be in his suite. I do think the conversation is going to continue. If this Pacers team makes it to the finals, I think you're going to have to have conversations. What does that look like?

Do you bring him on the road and let him sit in the suite on the road? That's probably where he might be at. Let's take this guy on the road. Anyway, so... He's playing, man. But he will be in the building tonight. And listen, this is a decision the Pacers for an office made.

And think about it. Tyrese Halberd is a guy you want to spend their entire career. They not only want Tyrese Halberd, they want John Halberd committed to the city, committed to this franchise for the next how many ever years Tyrese Halberd plays? 10 years. So when they made the decision to essentially ban him

from home and road games moving forward, he's missed eight games in a row. I will say this, that's not an easy decision to make, but it is a decision, something had to happen. Because anytime a fan, if it's a normal fan, and they step out on the court, Pat, that's a year ban at least. But this is a father and a son relationship.

This is a father of a star player on this team. So I think the NBA allowed the Pacers to really handle it in the best way. And I think all these sides are communicating and they feel this is the best route. Eight games. He's back in the house tonight. He is going to be there tonight.

Not a big pops pops have a good time watching those games. I mean, was it was that a bar in Indy? Is that where he was? It looked like it. I believe so. I think he bought it. Yeah. It might have been Hallibur that where he was? It looked like it. I believe so. Yeah, it might have been Halliburton's bar. Call it John's right down the street.

I thought maybe he'd show up in New York and do that. That would have been a sight. We need to keep John safe and sound. You saw what happened to the New York Firefighter. I forgot about that. They could throw trash at him, Sean. You want John Halliburton getting thrown in a dumpster.

That's your problem. That's your problem. You've become a coastal elitist. They've got to have security around them. Send them to a bar in New York. Make them turn up. John's not going to do security. I don't know what you... You have a misread on Pops here.

He's not walking around with security. But you talk about a regular fan getting on the court. There's a reason John was just let on the court. Because everybody knows him. Yeah, because he's Tyrese Halburn's dad. And he's John Halburn. He's a great personality. He's been to all these games. He's a very, very committed father.

Very, very committed father to Tyrese Halburn. And I think Miles Turner, when Miles Turner did his media yesterday, he was just like, they asked him about it, about essentially the band being lifted. And he didn't even respond to that. He just said, I love a father and son relationship. I love the fact that a father can go see his son play as he's trying to make it to the NBA finals

and win the conference. So I think that's what this is about. The Pacers are moving on. Terry Halberton's moving on. I know about that. Yeah, John and Go Forget, though. Ever. Let's make sure that is done.

We can't wait to see him back in the building in his suite tonight. All right, let's talk about some other stuff around the NBA. We were chit chatting with you earlier, and I don't want to out what you said privately, publicly, but you said, hey, this might be a pretty active summer here for the NBA. Let's start with some of the big names.

Giannis, obviously the big name that everybody thinks is going to be on the move. What do you think about him? What do you think the expectation is? And am I accurate in saying this is going to be an active summer for the NBA? Pat, this is the most, I think, anticipation team executives have had over an off season.

I think this is going to be the craziest off season of all, of I don't want to say all time. We just came off a trade deadline. We just came off a trade deadline. It was the craziest of all time. I think this off season might be the most craziest ever, because I think there's so many. The most craziest ever. That's crazy.'s so many- The most craziest ever.

Most craziest ever. That's crazy. MCE. MCE. MCE. Most craziest ever, dude. Most craziest ever. Probably grammar police is like, it's craziest ever.

No, no, you got your point across. It's the most craziest ever. Because I think what you have right now is you have the parity in the league. It's so thin right now. Like, as far as the thin line of you can win a championship, or you have the parity in the league. It's so thin right now. Like as far as the thin line of what you can win a championship or you might be falling into the lottery. And I think the ability to go out there and improve your team

and get there to championship level, I think that's on the minds of everyone around the league. So how can you elevate your team? And now you have players like Ayanis Ndikumpo. I reported a few weeks ago. He is open-minded. He is right now in the process of figuring out, is my home, I guess forever home, going to be in Milwaukee?

Or is it time to go pursue a championship somewhere else? I'm told that process is ongoing. There still has not yet been a big moment of truth meeting, I'm told, between the Bucs and Giannis Niduticumpo. That will happen at some point in the offseason. But the Bucs are operating as if, listen, loyalty's gonna win out. We're gonna have Giannis there. He's been there for 12 years.

You know a player like that, loyalty means a lot, equity means a lot. And so the Bucs are banking on that. They're banking on a gap year essentially where they're gonna be able to retool around Giannis. Oh, they're gonna guilt trip him. Gap year. Sounds like it.

It's gonna be something of a gap year because they only have one first round pick they can trade. They lack the high level tradeable contract. So if you want to go make your team better, John Horst, their general manager, what he's done, he's gone out and gotten Drew Holiday in 2020 when Giannis' future was up in the air. He went on and got Damian Lillard in 2023

when Giannis' future was in the air. This year, he doesn't really have that same bandwidth to go make moves. And so it's going to come down to loyalty. Will Giannis look at this team and say, we got Brook Lopez back, we got Bobby Portis back, I'm going to run it back with these guys. Or is he going to look elsewhere? And if he looks elsewhere, Pat, that will be a big market that we're going to see for Yannis. Yannis come to Indiana or no? I mean, I do think the Pacers are becoming

a team where they've got the, I think, eighth or ninth lowest payroll. But eventually here, they're turning into a destination. Yeah, damn right they are. Tyrese Haliburton here. What do you mean they're turning into a... Shut up, Shams. Back to back Easter car, smile. They're turning into a...

Yes, sirs. Ladies, people, look at the mural. That's a broad... That's a big statement. They're turning into a destination, like a real destination. I think players look at Tyrese Halberd and look at Pascal Siakam, and what this front office has done such a good job of,

I said it a few weeks ago, they've done so great at identifying dogs. They've done everything they can to scout players that they know wanna win and wanna compete. And that's becoming a big trend line in the NBA. But Yonza Ntukumpo is still in the process of figuring out what his future looks like. I think between now and the start of free agency,

we're gonna get some more answers. D-Bot has a question for you, Sharris. Real quick, before I get my question, how does he feel about Doc Rivers being the head coach and still being there? Oh. How much is that plan, according to what you know, how much is that plan to his decision to stay or leave?

I don't expect that to play a big decision into Yonatan DeCumpo's mindset. It's gonna come down to what gives me the best opportunity to win a championship decision in the Yonis and Dukumbo mindset. It's going to come down to what gives me the best opportunity to win a championship. So he's going to look at the roster. He's going to look at what moves they can make, what moves they can't make. And listen, Yonis and Dukumbo, a player like that, is always going to have respect for the coach. And Doc Rivers has been there the last year and a half, but I don't think he's making

that decision just solely off of that. Okay, got it. And for going into next year, we had some major injuries in NBA this year. Obviously Kyrie Irving after that trade, he tore his knee up. And then Wimby, he had the blood clot situations. Obviously Tatum in the playoffs. What are the outlooks for those big-time players going into next year as far as what you know right now?

So Tatum as well, Achilles tear. I mean, he's expected to miss most of next season, if not the entire next season. I think that's what Boston is prepared for. And the surgery that he got, Dr. O'Malley at HSS in New York City, same doctor that did Kevin Durant. And Kevin Durant did his surgery about 36 hours post Achilles tear. Jason Tatum did it in just over 12 hours

after the Achilles tear. So that time difference, I think the doctor there believes that the time helps and will allow him to heal better. But Kevin Drain also got 18 months off before he came back. So you're going to have to be very cautious with Jason Tatum when he gets back. And what you're going to see from the Celtics as well is they're going to start to reshift their team.

So I think they're going to be patient with him. Kyrie Irving, there's optimism around him and around the Mavericks. He could be back at some point in January or February. But again, it's an ACL tear. He suffered in March. We'll see exactly when he'll be able to be back. Wemby.

And Wemby. He's been doing some on court stuff. We've been seeing it on social media. So that should be a positive sign. And the Spurs, everything I hear, they fully expect him to be ready to go for the start of next season, for the start of training camp. That is amazing news. news, San Antonio's first We doesn't want anything to do with the Pacers, but I understand what you're talking about. It's good for the NBA

They also have a ton of assets. They have tradable contracts. They have the number two pick They have the number 14 pick in this year's draft. They have a bunch of tradeable picks as well moving forward. They have all their picks. So... El Jefe. Whether there's a player like a Janssen to the Coupo. I think a Kevin Durant is another guy that the Spurs, there was mutual interest in at the deadline.

I think they're going to be looking very actively to see is there a wing player we can bring in that could take us over the top. Spurs have a number two overall pick. Mavericks have the number one overall pick. Last time we talked to you... They're picking Cooper Flack. Yeah, they don't want to look a gift us over the top. Spurs have number two overall pick. Mavericks have the number one overall pick. Last time we talked to you. They're picking Cooper Flack. Yeah, they don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth. Yeah, no, they can't.

You don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth. What the hell does that mean? I mean, you've been handed something. Don't disrespect it. There might be a real riot in Dallas if they move the number one pick, right? Yeah, but what if they trade with, Connor has a question for you.

Yeah, exactly. You just mentioned they're looking for a real wing player and I mean, weeks ago, you reported about the Celtics, this kind of being the last run of this. Yeah, thank you for that. On this particular program. Where did that happen? At journalism, we did something.

Was that here? Right, not here, but in this city. On PMS, PMS, all right, I got it. And then there was another thing, I believe, with Halliburton that was on this program. Yeah, yeah. He said free pops till it's backwards on PMS. Thank you, thank you.

I think weeks ago. Yes, we did. We're ahead of time, yes. Which is weird. Most people only see that from TNT. But when you're thinking of the Celtics, you mentioned Drew Holliday, poor Zingas, Horford Brown, like a lot of these guys, they cost a lot of money,

who knows where they're gonna be. What do you see with them? And then do you see those players for the Celtics being moved for players? Do you see them being moved for picks? What's kind of the situation in Boston now? Is anybody untouchable? And are those top three picks, I guess I'll say,

two of the three, the number two pick and number three pick are those on the table for those teams to trade with the Celtics what are we looking at here for Boston. Let's go for the Celtics they're going to make trades the Boston Celtics will have a much different roster next season potentially they'll definitely have a different roster the question is just how severe as far as the movement is going to be for them. I think Jason Tatum, you have to, what's going on here? We're talking football. Keep going, Sean. There's a terrible sharpie throw over there. You look at Jason Tatum, of course he's injured, can't really trade him. That's really the face of your franchise. I think after that, it's really going to depend on what value

can you get. I think teams are going to express a lot of interest in Jewel Holiday. Teams are going to inquire about Christos Brunegas. Teams are going to inquire about Jalen Brown. And I think the Celtics are going to have to identify what value can we get for each of these players, which player does it make sense to trade, is there anywhere where we can get some players back that can help right now, potentially help us moving forward, we can get some assets for. This team probably isn't't gonna be in the same

place as far as contention. Yeah. But listen you have Joe Mazzullo as your coach. You have you still have a chance potentially to get Jason Tatum back at the end of the season. If you keep Jalen Brown he's a guy that you you have a lot of faith in to lead this team. So I think they're gonna do a lot of things to retool this roster. But again, there's a lot of question marks around Al Horford's future, Juhaude, Christos Prozignas. We said it on this show, the Celtics will explore trades.

They're going to make moves this summer. Send them all down to the Mavs. Get the number one overall pick. All of a sudden, you got the main event, Cooper flag with the Boston Celtics, waiting for Jason Tatum for a year. All of a sudden, now the main event, Cooper flag with the Boston Celtics waiting for Jason Tatum for a year. All of a sudden now the New England area is alive. I'm going to be a professional again.

I remember you said the pick picks two and three. I think pick two, the plan is to pick at number two. But I think, listen, if you have a chance to get Giannis and Jacombo, you have to look at something like that. Pick number three is Philadelphia. I think their goal is to draft at that pick I think there's about three players They like at number three, but they're gonna get a ton of calls on number three That's a team with Joel Embiid Tariq's maxi Paul George their nice sock right? I don't know enough about the NBA the Sixers are terrible. They're not supposed to be they need Joel Embiid

To be healthy on the floor American gold medalist Joel Embiid people forget healthy on the floor. American gold medalist, Joe L. Embiid. People forget, yep. They need gold medalists. Captain America. Shouldn't have been there. What are you talking about? He shouldn't have been there. Shouldn't have been there. Joe Embiid, baby, you better watch your mouth

when he comes in. Great player. He wanted to win gold, though. MVP, I understand all that. He was born and raised in Omaha. Yeah, he did for our country. No, I'm not saying he's... He picked our country.

He's qualified to be on the team, but we're talking about trust in the process. How many many years and how many times have he been healthy in the second or in the finals? and for his whole team well he Actually, he has never every be he has never had a fully healthy playoff run and just think about that to me It's like he's so great when he's healthy And that's what if you're the Sixers if you you can get Joel Embiid to be fully healthy, you have a chance to compete for a championship. That's really all your season rides on.

And so we'll know. We'll know very soon how does his off season go. Does he have any setbacks? And if he doesn't, how does he look going into the season? Let's talk about another Olympic gold medalist multiple time. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Shams, what's the latest update on LeBron?

I mean, obviously, we know this guy, he could play for 10, 15 more years if you wanted to. What are the Lakers going to do specifically with him? We know all year they needed a center, maybe look at a guy like Luca Garza. See if they can bring him in. The real Luca. Yes. A lot of people are saying that.

I'm not going to say it, but a lot of people are saying that. Highest points per minute in the history of the NBA playoffs. He's also the first one off the bench climbing every single brand. He can play. He can play. Yes, he goes Luke Garza. I know. We both know he can. Skies blue. But what is kind of the latest update on LeBron and what are the Lakers gonna do this offseason? I'm told he's likely to opt in he's got a player option about 54 million. That's good news. He's got a massive player option. That's likely. That's the plan. But again, his option date, Pat, is June 29.

So he still has about a month to figure out. There's going to be some hard conversations that are going to happen between him, the Lakers, seeing what this team looks like. Because listen, LeBron James, whether he plays one more season or a few more seasons, he wants to be in a competitive environment. And I said it when I came on when their season ended, he's probably

going to opt in because the option is so big. And then that gives you flexibility to figure out, do you extend off that number? Or this is the final year? If this is the last hurrah? Essentially, year 23 for number 23, they have All-Star weekend in Los Angeles. So to me, it's very storybook if that's the way it goes.

But that's a decision that he's got to make. The big question for the Lakers though, are they going to find a center, a true center? And I think Rob Polinka, the president general manager, that's his biggest focus of the offseason. They didn't go and get the Mark Williams trade. There was obviously a lot of controversy about that. This summer, their number one objective is going and getting a center replenishing their depth on the wings and then seeing how does LeBron James how do Luka Dantic feel about that roster moving forward?

Okay, let's stick with the Lakers. And obviously whatever LeBron does, we'll be pumped about. He blessed us with the LeBron Versace. And we'll always back him. 23 years good, 26 years better, whatever the hell he wants to do. Good luck over there in LA. If he wants to come to Indiana, he said, Tyree Salliburton is a guy you'd love to play with.

I saw it. I will say this. The Lakers, there's a decision, not a decision, but they've got some conversations internally because LeBron James has been there since 2019, 2020. Oh, don't get it wrong, Sean. He's been there for six, seven seasons. So, and he's won a championship there. He's been to the Western Conference Finals

another time there. He's brought you some success there at a point where they were really at their lowest when they got him. They weren't really competing for championships, but you have him. Do you do right and try to restructure the team, try to involve him in your decision making,

but then you also have this player, Luka Dantic. On that note, someone has a question for you. How do you handle, that's gonna be a big challenge for them. Yeah, let's talk about on the court that note, someone has a question for you. That's going to be the face of your franchise. How do you handle? That's going to be a big challenge for them. Yeah, I bet you're talking about on the court, but off the court too, massive conversations. I don't know if you saw Luka this week and he was looking fit AF.

Yeah, and I'm not saying he doesn't normally, but your Wigovies, your Manjaro's, your Ozempic, your semi-glutites, is that on the NBA band substance list? Or is this just hard work from Luka? And why is it just talked about so, so much? You know what? I actually looked into the Ozempic thing about a couple of years ago.

I was told it's, I don't think it is. So if that's wrong, I'm going to have to go back and look this up. But it wasn't then. Zion looks in amazing shape. We see Luka Donsic. But this is off season, right? So these guys, clearly they're putting the work in. I saw the pictures of Luka Donsic. But this is off season, right? So these guys, clearly they're putting the work in.

I saw the pictures of Luka Dacic. I have not seen him. So I can't. Oh, you're thinking it was angles? The fact he's wearing a white t-shirt in public, we're telling you he doesn't think he has a gut. I did see Zion Williamson at the draft lottery. And he looks slender.

He looks amazing as well. Zion? Maybe he should come to Indiana. Whatever they're doing. Whatever it's made. Whatever they're doing in abroad, in Slovenia, wherever Luka Dacic is right now, clearly he's putting in the work.

But I think that was part of the big conversation with JJ Redick and you have Luka Dacic, their relationship. JJ Redick's the type of coach that can tell Luka Dacic, listen, we need you to be in the best possible shape. To not be fat. We need everyone on this roster to be in the best possible shape. JJ Reddick's the type of coach that can tell Luca Dantic, listen, we need you to be in the best possible shape. To not be fat. We need everyone on this roster to be in the best possible shape.

JJ Reddick said after the season, we were not the best conditioned we could be. Now, whether that's something toward Luca, whether that's something toward four or five other players on the team, but clearly it was something he wanted to get across, I'm sure he's gotten that across. Well, Nico said. Yeah, me and Nutritionist said this guy's never going learn. So it'd be nice if Luka came back absolutely ripped and jocked.

A guy like Luka Dacic, five all NBA teams every single year, All-Star every single year, he's one of the best players in the world. You don't get to that stage without putting in a ton of work, you don't get to that stage without working on your body, you don't get to that stage besides all that. I will say, like Zion Williamson, when there's those calf injuries, anything lower body,

it does impact how you condition. So hopefully Luca, the big thing for him is staying healthy on the floor. Yeah, good luck, Luca. We're pulling for you, Luca. Food is healthier over there too. Yeah, because they don't have all the dyes and stuff. Yeah, they're not trying to kill them. Every once in a while a video will pop up on my algo and I'll say, what have I been eating?

That's like whenever you learn about a company that you use through another company's commercial. Yeah. Like hey we're not like insert name of other banks and do all this stuff to you we don't do. I'm like is my bank doing that? I need to have a conversation. That's kind of what happens here in this situation. Yeah not to mention all the artificial sweeteners we got over here. True. You know they're not dealing with that over there. They're just smoking cigarettes from the time they're smoking hookah straight up. Exactly. Which helps. No filters. Yeah and I love that. They're just smoking cigarettes from the time they're... Yeah, he's smoking hookah straight up. Exactly. Exactly. No filters.

Yeah, and I love that. Good for them. And Luca's earned the right to enjoy his life. And if he feels like he's in the best shape, he could possibly be good for him. We're here in Indianapolis, Indiana, for game four tonight of the Eastern Conference Finals. Hell yeah.

This is a really cool part of town. We're kind of nestled downtown here. People fill in the steps. We've got people up here. We've got a beautiful mural. It's gorgeous. I've never really hung out here to be clear. Never really seen this area.

Whenever they offered this space up for the show, I said, I don't know what you're talking about. Then they sent photos. Look at the arch here. I don't know if that's art of some sort. Oh yeah. That's some sort of art. It's bigger than the St. Louis ones.

Yeah. I think it's just been a couple of years, bro. Gateway to the West, they call it. Yeah, they made this whole entire thing two summers ago, I think. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's wonderful. It West. They made this whole entire thing two summers ago I think. Yeah it's beautiful. It's a soft place in my heart. This is where I first started

covering games here in Milwaukee the Bulls. I was not able to cover games with the Bulls. I was a college kid high school kid. They don't want to credential me.

Find people here. They didn't sue me. They gave me credentials. Milwaukee gave me credentials. So I'm very fortunate to you know you always need that opportunity to get through the door.

Yeah we love having you here in Indianapolis How do you think tonight goes? I think a pic. Yeah Chums, I think I think whoever wins this game wins the series. That's not a thing. That's the pig They said you're a coward, but this guy Will say he's got a shit kickers on I will say came all the way down here to listen to you talk Bullshit the Pacers The Pacers. You gave him that bullshit. The Pacers. The Pacers have not lost a game outside of game threes, so they are in good pole position

tonight, going into this game. Oh, oh, 8,500 effort. Wow. Pole position. All right, we appreciate you. We'll talk to you in the next hour or two. You hang out for a bit? I'm here.

I'm here. Ladies and gentlemen, senior NBA insider for ESPN, friend of the program. We remember when he was just young lad starting out. I was in the spaceship. Stillers. Ladies and gentlemen, Sham Sharanya. Oh, yeah. Sham's literally got on a plane and left Milwaukee to do this with us. The best. So cool. Yeah. He saw it on the internet. All right. Shams. Shams is asking for an applause. He's just showing the people. He's just showing them. Shams, let's not be asking for applause, okay? That's not part of Shams brand. The boys here and ladies here love you though. How could you not love Shams? He's always maintained being the same person, which is what we appreciate. He works his

ass off, which is what I appreciate. And now he's at ESPN, he gets more hopefully tips and insights than he's ever had and he's the future of covering it. And yeah, he saw my tweet go out about us being here and he's like, yo, PM, which nobody else in the history of my life calls me. Oh, there's one, there's one that I can think of. You got a lot of nicknames sometimes.

Yes, Swagoo calls me Kafe. Yeah, Kafe. PM, Jay Will. Yeah, shout out Jay Will. Jay Will,names sometimes. Oh yeah. Swagoo calls me Kafe. Yeah, Kafe. PM, Jay Will. Yeah, shout out Jay Will. Jay Will, OK. PM. P-Mac. A lot of P-Macs throughout my life.

Not a lot of PMs. Kafe's the goat. Kafe's the goat. I've never heard of him before either. I think that is incredibly creative there by Swagoo. Emmy award winner. Congrats to him. But he said, hey, PM, you doing a show at a Pacer game?

I have to be there, right? And I'm like, if you come, for sure. He flew in, got here. We appreciate the hell out of Shams. Thank you, Shams. Thank you, Shams. How you doing, Shams? Speaking of flying in, being a part of the show, we didn't wanna be a completely biased operation here.

We understand we're on ESPN. So we needed the other side to be represented. What's the other side? Oh, the coastal elitist. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man who is certainly that, but somehow maintains a personality and a humility that makes us all fall in love with him. Massive New York Knicks fan, ladies and gentlemen.

Ooh! Peter Schrags. Let me see! Oh, Schrags. Schrags! Oh, yeah, Schrags. Oh, yeah, Schrags. Come on, Schrags. Schrags. I love you, Schrags. I love you, Schrags. Oh, yeah, Schrags. Schrags. Schrags. Brother.

Good eat, good eat. Good eat. Notice how we're not throwing trash bags at you, Schrags. I don't know if you saw that in the past. Schrags, they're coming to get your ass out here. I don't know if his his mic is on but we do know that we try to make you feel at home with sirens and such As if it was New York City. Thank you for coming out here. What are your thoughts on the city shrinks? I love Indianapolis. I've got a long history with Indianapolis. The combine is one of my favorite weeks This week though, New York City is taking over. I see

Yes, Triggs, yes. I mean, Pat, you guys are up two games to nothing. You're up 20 points, and we got our best players with 5,000, and you let us back in the building! Okay. All right, Triggs, you, much like most of the Knicks fans, some people here in Indianapolis might have fallen asleep during that Pacers game. Some people, long day, that Indy 500.

Racing and Pacers. Trying to do both. Trying to knock them both out. You know, some people, even at the arena, there were some people maybe snoozing because the 20 point game is a blowout. Some people maybe didn't make it to the arena, had tickets and fell asleep, didn't make it to the arena. So they woke up, you know, with maybe 130 text messages from a lot of people from New

York. And boy, at the beginning of those text messages from all of you, Michael Cole sent one that said, I'm on to football season. Sorry to the kids that are here. There's a two-year-old Rocco earmuffs. Fuck basketball is what a lot of New York fans were saying, okay, at the beginning of that game. Then you guys come back. Everybody had the same reaction at the end.

Holy hell, we're back in this thing. And now all of a sudden there's a thought that game four is maybe like the most important game that has happened for New York in a long time. You all understand you lose this one, it's probably over. But if you steal another one and it goes two, two, hold the door. That is literally how all Knicks fans feel, right?

100%. Look, the Knicks fans clapping here. They got coastal leaders. Oh, wow. how all Knicks fans feel, right? 100%. Look at the Knicks fans clapping here. They got coastal leaders. I would say, I mean, I texted you in the second quarter after the OB top and dunk. We used to have OB on the Knicks. We love him. He's a good player.

He has a dunk. I texted you. Quite a hole we've dug ourselves here. Yes, yes, certainly. That was the text. And then about two hours later, I'm like, let's go off. See you on Tuesday. Let's go.

That is right. The truth of the matter is this though, you let the door open. It was done, it was done. And for Knicks fans of this generation, I didn't grow up with Walt Clyde Frazier. I didn't grow up with Willis Reed or Bernard King. It was always the Pacers. And it was John Stark's headbutting Reggie Miller.

It was Reggie Miller doing the choke sign. It was Reggie killing us in big spots on Mother's Day. So for it to be the Pacers in the Knicks... Yeah, it was great moments. ...for it to be the Pacers in the Knicks is how it should be. And the fact that we were on the ropes, the fact that we were done, and the fact that it's Dillon Wright and Landry Shammett and Deuce McBride finding guys off the bench

who have not done much all playoff series, they find a way to use it. Rick Karlykow has... Rick Karlykow... Nick Bride finding guys off the bench who have not done much all playoff series. They find a way to use it. Rick Carlisle has rich Rick Carlisle. Carlisle. They don't matter. So respect care has run circles around Tibbs. The first two games and a half. And then all of a sudden in the second half, it was like, Tibbs was like, wait, we got the bench. We can use the bench and there's life. And I got to tell you, as much

as I love Indianapolis, there does. I mean, I flew in. I've been around. I went to the coffee shop this morning. There's a little bit of nervous and.

Oh, shut up. No, no. A little bit. There's a two year old named Rocco here smiling here. He knows what the Pacers are about to do tonight. But you're right.

It is a huge game for. I mean, we all know that. Especially because the way one to go We kind of steal one obviously not kind of definitely steal one and especially with Jim Earth say guiding that thing down with Tyrese We thought it was over choke sign here. We go that goes to overtime We're supposed to lose that game especially with the choke sign happening instead. We win it. Okay game two dominate we win again It's like we've got out of New York with two should not be like

that. So for us to give up game three I think it's become become the calling card of this Pacers team almost for this particular series. But game four shrinks you know why there's no nerves around the city. Rick Carlyle he just called him the boys have

had a rough two days from Rick Carlyle. He he's not a friend. No no of the boys on the team. The boys have had a rough two days from Rick Carlile. He's not a friend of the boys on the team. He is a coach, coach. And I'm excited to see what happens tonight. Jalen Brunson with the stats that I've seen you guys should have on the bench for most of the game. That's better for you is what I've been told. So we need to do that.

And we're thankful you're here. To all the Knicks fans, thank you for coming out for our city. Use some of that coastal elitist money at our restaurants. Yeah. Okay, we'd appreciate it. Make sure you tip the servers. Yeah. Okay, tip the...

Yeah. Yeah, scumbags. I mean, also, like, you know, I saw the guy in the full racing costume courtside. It was cool. Not a costume. No, that was Joseph Newgarden. Yeah, it's a uniform. Or the whole thing.

For my man, Timothee Chalamet. Yeah, it's a uniform. For the whole thing, for my man, Timothy Chalamet, on a Memorial Day weekend to not be in the Hamptons, to not be in Montecito, to fly into Indianapolis to support his team, that is what a Knicks fan is all about. He's the new Spike Lee, right? He's the real deal. He's the new face of Knicks fans. New face of Knicks fans.

He is there. He is present. And I would imagine that is what we all look at and say, OK, he didn't give up on us. The Knicks didn't give up on us. You understand Knicks fans. We haven't seen an NBA finals. Look at that kid. That's a bowling guy, right? That looks like Pete Webber.

Yeah. Yeah. Chrome hearts and Oakley sunglasses. That's the look. White boy summer. That's the look right there. That's what it's gonna be. MGK dropped a banger. Yeah. Chrome hearts and Oakley sunglasses. That's the look. White boy summer. That's the look right there. Maybe.

If you can drop the banger. Yeah. He did. Change. I'm so praying for all of us. Well M.G.K. Hey you know M.G.K. You don't need to be worried

about the people are saying negative things. It's all the summer. And he was doing cliche dance moves because the song is called cliche. People don't get it. I didn't like that he responded

because now people are responding to his response. Yeah. M.G.K. you just keep doing your little dancing but just keep doing your thing right to the top. Shalime is a dog.

Pretty cool. He knows college ball. I loved him when he was on with you guys. His appearance on college game day was huge for all of us. Whatever the story is told the eyes that were watching that

particular college game day that maybe don't watch each and every week might offer up opportunities for other people to do other things for the rest of their lives. But the way he knew the game, the way he knew the show, the way he treated people, he's good.

He's the right one, I think, to be the next superstar. And the fact that he is the next face at this point almost, it's great to have him in the city. I assume he's coming tonight, right? What if he doesn't come tonight? Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. No team no. Oh, no.

No team down. Oh, no. Shadoumé can't handle Indiana. He won one time. Too much heat. Stay out of the kitchen. You think that's what's happening? I think he's going to be there.

I would imagine. Look. I assume he would be, too. Great to have you here, Tim. Good luck on all your stuff. Did he go to the race, too? Was he racing in Pason? I think a lot of people were saying they were trying.

I saw a lot of Knicks fans at the race, actually, saying they were going to go. And I was like, good luck if you can survive. I think he probably just snuck by the Pacers. Sure. Yeah, he's the Lisa and Agaib. He doesn't have time for that. When does fast grocery delivery through Instacart matter most?

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And tonight the Pacers are going to put on a show. If you are going to watch what you're going to see is a passionate crowd, a passionate state and a team that's trying to get their get back against the New York Knicks led by Jalen Brunson and Carl Anthony Towns. Jalen Brunson obviously an absolute beast. He's Mr. Clutch for good reason. What he does at the end of games is insane But Carl Anthony Towns had his New York Knicks moment seemingly in game three where he took over in the fourth quarter

20 points alone he had the entire Indiana Pacers 20 points as well Cat took the game over in the fourth They have a massive comeback and now everybody from that big damn city every coastal elitist who wears blue and orange thinks to themselves that the Knicks are back in this thing. The Knicks weren't supposed to beat the Celtics. Now the Knicks were supposed to get swept by the Pacers. And after a win in game three, they got the entire city alive. Joining us live here at Bicentennial Plaza is a man who's an Emmy award winning television

host and NFL insider, NFL pundit, and now an ESPN man. Here at Bicentennial Plaza is a man who's an Emmy award winning television host, an NFL insider, NFL pundit, and now an ESPN man. Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schragers here. Schrags isn't the only, yeah, a couple more coastal ladies arrived here during the break. We had a very New York looking guy screaming over to me. He goes, come on one time, Pat. Next thing's six, you're safe for the brand. For the brand.

For the brand. Never need the Pacers to win for the brand. Hell yeah. Good for the program. For the Pacers to do and play the way they are playing. And we've been enjoying all of it. We're lucky to be here. Shout out to the Pacers, allowing us to do this

outside of Game Bridge today. Nine year NFL vet. A man who calls Indianapolis home, Daris J. Butler. Yes, sir. Thank you very much. The Toxic Table is here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. I see the dog shirt underneath that Boston Celtics jacket. Is that because the Pacers are a bunch of absolute dogs? Yeah, most of them.

Definitely TJ McConnell on there. Shout out. More so, you're talking about get back games. I think, you know, the people of Indianapolis in particular need to kind of step up because it was embarrassing. Game three, game three was embarrassing. I think anybody who was in there can agree. I think everybody knows race day racing in pace and sure. And the Indy 500 is awesome.

And everybody kind of blew their load at the race. And they showed up. They showed up at the game. It was a 500 mile load. Exactly. And you got to understand that that's going to be a big load. But when you go to the playoffs, OK, the Indy 500 is cool.

It's awesome. The city's team is the Indianapolis Pacers. So when that happens. The Indiana Pacers. Who cares? But when that happens. The Indiana Pacers. Who cares? But when that happens, that is something where you need to kind of show the world,

the people who are watching. You want the NBA ratings to be better? You want all that stuff? You need to show, hey, in Indiana, we care about basketball. Derrick Butler started in the first hour. You know, there's a state of basketball. Well, then show us.

Because the fans were snoozing in the second half. And everybody's blaming Carlisle. Oh, shut up, Shrek. Can I just add, I was there game two at the Garden. No, you can't add. And it's a four-point game. There's three seconds left. The Garden's still packed.

I'm watching as Josh Hart and Brunson are making these free throws. A slow trickle of Pacers fans leaving before the goal. It was a long day. It was weird, man. What is that? I understand. I understand the cars were vrooming, and we had the vroom shirt. They're not vrooming.

They're vroom, vroom, vroom vroom vroom vroom. I get it. This is... That's what they're doing. You probably don't even have a car in New York. Yeah, you don't have to drive. Yeah, exactly. You walk your ass home.

We walk. Yeah, hey, let me step over the human feces. Human feces. In the rat poop. Yes. Yeah, okay, we get it. And maybe the reason why you're sticking around is because everybody knows they won't go get on train With everybody else. Yeah, so maybe it's a part of lifestyle choices right here. We got traffic brother

Okay, we got traffic and if this one's over Memorial Day the next day too. Yeah, so I want to in these New York Nick Sands traveling out here I got massive respect for welcome. Thank you for coming We're not throwing trash bags at these people though. Love to have them here. Let's go to one half of the hammer. Cowboys AP tone. What are we betting on tonight? Who do we like?

How do we like it? It's a big one. You talk about game four and how big it is. So Thunder were also up to one going into game four. They win game four. They're now minus six thousand to win that series. So that's kind of how this goes. If the Pacers win tonight, it's also going to one going into game four. They win game four. They're now minus six thousand to win that series. So that's kind of how this goes. If the Pacers win tonight,

it's also gonna be a similar situation where they're gonna be huge favorites to then win the series. But if the Knicks win, it's gonna be very, very tight. Pacers are minus two ten to win the series now. If the Knicks win tonight, I assume it'll flip to them being favorites to win the series.

Pacers are our favorites tonight, minus two and a half in this game. So they- Which means absolutely nothing. No, it really doesn't. two and a half in this game. Which means absolutely nothing. No it really doesn't. Means nothing. Twenty points has just been an appetizer in this particular series.

The favorite has lost every game. I mean Nick's were favorites at home Pacers have been favorite at home. Favor's lost every game in the series so far so they're looking to reverse that tonight. I don't love that.

Yeah. Carl Anthony Towns is minus one seventy five to say oh my God. Oh my God. That's a real that's a real thing. That's real. Might be minus two fifty at this point.

OK so we talked about the Western Conference last night. Congrats Oklahoma City getting back in a tight win. They're up 3 1 over the Minnesota Timberwolves. I love and didn't have his best game but I love that he is

potentially one of the faces of the league final four teams Everybody's gonna be great. It's gonna be tough tonight's gonna be insane eight o'clock on TNT tip off here. Yes, we have you here. What the hell? Well eight o'clock tip off you like that. Yeah, I try on the money baby TNT is it's just everything you can really ask. I did try to FaceTime sir Charles. I have his number I try not to abuse it. I FaceTime them here before show no answer. Okay, Chuck We're gonna try to get him obviously come out here. He might be golfing golf Beautiful day. Yeah, he's probably golfing up there at uh

Chatterville's now crooked stick crooked. It's okay purgatory hills purgatory that other place We went to that didn't have a line ever that was great. Copperhead Road or something. Copperhead Road. Copper. Arrowhead. Old Oakland. Yeah, River Glen. River Glen, but that's the place.

Charles Parker's gone for all those places. And they're doing a thing. All right, anyways, Shrakes, we gotta talk NFL with you. Let's go. What are we talking about? OTAs today, we got 20 different teams opening up practice. It's mostly voluntary, who wants to go and who doesn't? But I see Mahomes.

He's ready to go. You've got all these teams coming in. The question of the day, of course, is, when does Aaron Rodgers decide he's going to join the Pittsburgh Steelers? It's been lingering, lingering, lingering. As of right now, there's no deadline from them. There's no deadline from him.

Mason Rudolph is the starting quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Okay, so Mason Rudolph currently the starting quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Here in yeah. OK, so Mason Rudolph, currently the starting quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Here in Indianapolis, we have a quarterback competition happening between number four overall pick, Anthony Richardson, who's been here for a couple of years, has been injured. Obviously, he's had some great moments,

had some moments about trying to learn to become an NFL quarterback. And then Danny Dimes, who obviously had his entire situation in New York. I think that's a nice tie for New York and Indianapolis. We currently have Danny Dimes potentially as our quarterback. We have boots on the ground here in Indianapolis. We have sources that have told us that Danny Dimes enjoyed his first Indy 500 race day.

Is that right? Yeah. We have been told that Daniel Jones has tried to become one with the city of Indianapolis on Sunday, and we assume it's just the beginning. We have heard that that Daniel Jones has tried to become one with the city of Indianapolis on Sunday and we assume it's just the beginning. We have heard that he was potentially out in an establishment having a great time with the people enjoying the celebration of the greatest spectacle in racing happening in the Indy 500. Danny Dimes is a weapon from what I've been told off the field and obviously we've seen

some good times on the field with you guys. New York, New Jersey. What is the take on Daniel Jones? They were done with them and that's fine. He got them to a playoff game. He won a playoff game in Minnesota. It is a forgettable era of Giants history. I'm wearing my Saquon still here. These are the Saquon shoes. Saquon and Daniel Jones were supposed to be the guys the Giants have moved on. They've already ripped that up and changed but make no mistake about it But make no mistake about it. Make no mistake about it.

Daniel Jones can still play good football. Daniel Jones, one of the toughest quarterbacks that the New York Giants have seen. And Daniel Jones is ready for this next chapter. We're here in maybe 10, 20, 30 beer day. Yeah. We're here and maybe he put some numbers up. On the 8,500 race day.

And I want to let you know, that is that has solidified me. Yeah, I love that Daniel Jones is here. I like that. I'll tell you this. He was never a big like going out in the clubs in Manhattan guy. However, well, there was a Zach Bryan show at MetLife probably a year ago. And all of a sudden you're looking on stage and there's Daniel Jones knowing every word getting the crowd and a lot of Giants like, good, there's some life in this guy.

He's supposed to be in Indiana. I've seen him do flip cup right with Eli. So Anthony Richardson obviously immense talent. I mean, it is the upside is through the roof. Hopefully he's able to reach it, this training camp. Hopefully he's able to accomplish what we drafted him number four overall to accomplish. But if not, D. But we got good news coming out. I love we got the guy love

the positive positive. I heard sharing. Yeah, he's here. He's a cult. He's a rumor. I remember watching. I remember watching Daniel Jones play a lot of football in New York. Great football. You know, watching on TV. Watch y'all 22. I'm hopeful as well. We drafted got him a four overall a in New York. Great football. Watching on TV, watched it all, 22. I'm hopeful as well. We drafted a guy that him before overall a couple years ago. That's the guy I want to figure it out and be the face of our franchise for 10 to 15 years.

It is a battle. We're not forgetting about it. He's got a lot of opportunity. He's got plenty, plenty. Danny Dimes was 6 overall. Danny Dimes, look, Danny Dimes was out at the 10 whistle, baby. And when I say the 10 whistle, baby. When I say the 10 whistle, everyone knows I'm talking about the 10 roof, one of the nicest bars in the

country. And he wasn't just there. Okay. He was bringing it down. He was mixing it up, he was buying shots for people. He was buying cocktails. He's in the middle of this live music singing. He was in there. Rumor has it he almost grabbed the mic, OK? OK. To sing a couple songs, D-Bud. So hey, look, I love AR. But there's been a couple guys that have frequented some of these places.

The Raskiller, Tim Whistle. And you know what happens to those guys? Super start-up. All-Pro. OK? You want to list a couple all-pros for the Colts that we've seen kind of roam in the streets? They're great players. Quinton Nelson, I've seen him sitting on a bench, you want to list a couple all pros for the Colts that we've seen kind of roaming the streets. They're great players Uh-huh, Quentin Nelson. I've seen him sitting on a bench, you know, hanging out with the people drinking booze cocktails

Danny Dimes looks like he's gonna be the all-pro of the of the AFC this year So if if I'm there's a chance listen, I was surprised. I was so surprised walk in Hey, did you hear the news? Oh, you hear the news? That was the news. What was the news? Danny Dimes was doing it on Sunday. Yeah. And he was in Jones? Danny Dimes has a presence like Tom Cruise. Yeah.

Which does not come lightly. There was two winners Sunday. I can't believe I just heard that come out of your mouth. I can't believe I said it, but I saw the proofs in the pudding. I saw what I saw. And listen, everyone wants to say AR, Danny Dimes. Can you imagine AR lining up a tight end and Danny Dimes just ripping one down? We're not changing positions, you know.

Hey, I'm just saying, do you remember the Heisman package? Basically the same thing. And let's just say too, Danny Dimes wasn't taking no shit. I'll tell you that much. If you want to step to Danny Dimes, he's ready to dance. Daniel Jones being out and about in Indianapolis on race weekend is very much like a welcome to the city. I'm excited to watch our quarterback competition.

I like hearing that he's super tough because maybe that'll radiate through the rest of the locker room. Made a lot of moves on the defensive side of the ball this off season. Feels like the Colts are on the up and up. They got to follow the pace of the Pacers in the city and the Fever, who we've obviously discussed.

Kaitlyn Clark will be out two weeks. Let's talk about some other news that happened just yesterday. The reason why we're off is because there's a national championship happening on ESPN. And congratulations to Cornell. Yeah. I know somebody who went to Cornell. Oh, yeah. Big red. I know where Cornell is.

Quick. What state? New York, I believe. Yeah. Is that right? It's like New York. is. Quick. What state. New York I believe. Yeah. Right. It's a good New York. There you go. Of course. We're really we know everything about the Ivy League.

Massive respect for the Ivy League. Big brains. I've heard some of the classes are pass fail. So just kind of a Cornell average. I've heard Cornell very bad things about Cornell academically not in the sense where it's pass fail in the sense we it's Passville, in the sense where like, hey, you got to basically stay up all night and day

to study for Cornell. Oh, so you said heard bad things, but it's actually like got to actually be. Good things. Yeah, good things, but bad for people who want to have fun. Old buddy for Cornell is the guy. And I didn't know there was another royal family of lacrosse.

Yeah, the Kirst family. CJ Kirst, I believe he had six goals. He tied the single season record. 82 goals this season in you know 17 18 games. It's pretty ridiculous. Yesterday was incredible. The Maryland team and the

Cornell team battled it out. It was closed for a little bit and then C.J. Kersh. I think he had four straight unassisted goals. The kid just went bananas. I think he had six or seven goals on the day and they win

their first title since nineteen seventy seven. Really cool story with the Kersh family. Most of his brothers one of his brothers actually is a boss I think he had six or seven goals on the day and they win their first title since 1977. Really cool story with the Kursk family, most of his brothers, one of his brothers actually is a Boston Cannon legend. What? Yeah, he is one of the players

that's gonna carry the torch this year. C.J. Kursk always the first pick in the PLL draft this year. They're saying he already is gonna be one of the best players in the PLL when he gets to his training camp probably next weekend. Look week at packed out stadium. That's Gillette. That's Gillette. Yeah.

Picked it out. They did in Foxborough. It was incredible. They haven't really done it in Foxborough in a little bit. I believe they used to all the time. But yeah, it was a fantastic scene there. And riddle me this. The Ivy League winning again is a big deal in the lacrosse conversation.

Yeah. Big deal. Kind of stinks, you know, for all those people that were kind of team Cavanaugh. Pat Cavanaugh came on last year, a couple of years ago, said, hey, look, the Ivy Leagues are a bunch of frauds, which they have been. That's why Cornell winning was a massive deal.

They are a great story. Who'd they beat in the finals? They'd be Maryland. Where's Maryland at? It's in the Big Ten. Oh, so it's a Big Ten Ivy League sport now? Yeah. ACC's dead?

No, because Notre Dame's ACC. So if anything, the Big 10 is dead. Well, I mean. Because they haven't won it in a few years here now with the ACC and Ivy League now, doing the last three years. Does this go against, because I know you've been talking, especially when AJ was on, about kind of one of these Big 10 teams potentially

growing the game, and that be good for the game as a whole. How do you feel about that now with Cornell winning first one since 77? Yeah, I don't know if it's as big of a deal because it's with CJ Kirst and CJ Kirst is the guy in college across this year. He's winning the- He's gonna win the tour. The balloon day lacrosse. It is also known by that. Yeah, yeah, it makes sense.

What's it really called? The toilet? What's the-? The Toire Tom. Toire Tom, brother. So he'll- Kavanagh which it makes sense. What's it really called? The toilet? What's the... Tuareg Tom. Tuareg Tom, brother. So he'll... Cavanaugh won it last year. Yeah, the bigger stars, like this makes C.J. Kirsten an even bigger star. Okay.

So like when you're talking about locations and areas, like Ohio State went in and making Ohio bigger in lacrosse, that's a big deal, but also just having like a true face, which Maryland, to be honest, didn't really have. Like Maryland would have been the worst case, winning as far as growing the game, because Maryland's a- Very big in lacrosse already. Very established already. Their coach, that would have been his third title.

They don't have an 80 goal scorer like CJ Kirst is. Him winning was a massive deal. Cornell being back on the map was a massive deal, and it turns out we might be NLL, guys. Yeah, exactly my point. The Buffalo Bandits have won another NLL title and Chase Frazier has put up another highlight reel and we actually got a shout out shout out to the NFL and I'll run this thing Foxy. He just doesn't care. One handed behind the back. Call Pat McAfee.

Get this guy on the show. Absolutely speechless. Now we'd love to have Chase Frazier on the program. The guy's an absolute monster. I love how Canadian the commentator sounded right there. And thanks for the shout out. We are massive fans of this guy. Just like I say, in our sport,

if you have enough comfort to do the pizzazz alongside of it, especially in the championship, I believe this was. So for him to have this softs and the moxie to do that consecutively, seemingly every single game, we're big Chase Frazier's guys. And whenever you think about the NLL, which I definitely knew existed.

Oh yeah. That's what I've been saying this whole time. Yeah, for I definitely knew existed. Oh, yeah. Sure. That's what I've been saying this whole time. Yeah, for sure. You knew that it was founded in 1986. It's been around for a long time. Yeah, and I knew it was Box Lacrosse, which is certainly a more Canadian style of lacrosse

than what the PLL is running. You were shocked when, remember, the Avalanche and all Cronkite's teams, his NLL team, they all won those titles back to back to back to back. I was so pumped up about that whenever it happened. I'm like the NL is the real deal.

And then once I started looking into it a little bit more the NL is much more exciting than any of the other stuff that I've been watching in the cross world is a Cavanaugh brother in the NL now. Yes.

Patty Cavanaugh is playing for the San Diego Seals very for makes it even easier. That's my league. The NL is the league. They are excited. They'll fight. Oh yeah. They will just they will drop them and fight each other. That's my league. The NLL is the league. They are exciting. They'll fight. Oh, yeah. They will just, they will drop them and fight each other.

Hockey? Highlight goals. It is hockey-ish. Every single game. Yeah, and this is going to be more the style of what the Olympics are going to be, right? Yeah, it's going to be a smaller field. I believe it's still outside.

I don't think it's going to be an indoor arena like this, but it will be like a six on six with an actual lacrosse goalie, but not the hockey pad goalie, but still very similar style. We did learn that Chase Frazier is Canadian. Unfortunately, but that's okay. It's not his fault. He should play for America though. He's a Buffalo Bondit.

He is. He should play for the United States. Through and through. Just like Lou Messy needs to be a United States of America player. Exactly. Sidney Crosby needs to be playing for the United States of America.

Let's go back to the truck actually. Let's go to the other half of the hammer. Dad. Cowboys, Bubba Gumpino. Hey, I heard a hockey tournament ended this weekend. Who won that one? USA won it for the first time since 1933. Yeah! What?

Yeah! 33? We're back. USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

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Cup for the first time in a long time. And Gumpi, does that mean we're in the driver's seat to win the next Olympics? And maybe Sid and the boys should try to be playing for the United States of America? If you win 25 more of these, you'll be tied with Canada. Oh. Yeah, but...

Who has the tie? When's the next one? Who won the last one? That's all that matters. Whose U.S. is goalie gonna be? Hey, did you... We're gonna have Otter, I assume. Can you get a shot up there of that...

Hey, Scott, we need you to shoot that metal sphere over there. Oh, is that the F-8? Look on the... Can you zoom in on that thing? Look at the inside. Hey Scott, we need you to shoot that metal sphere over there. Oh, is that the F-8? Can you zoom in on that thing? Look at the inside. I think they got our logo on the inside of that thing. Oh, I do see it. Oh yeah.

It's fire. Dude, that is sick. Oh, that's sick. Shout out to the Pacers. Hey, thank you Pacers for doing this. It's the details. It's a little things. I heard Algie once did that, turned that thing on.

Yeah, Algie and Groobz were up all night kind of getting that done I'll just got a new hairdo. I see he's kind of rocking it Algie one of the security guys for a game Bridgefield house Oh, yeah, he really locks it down. He came back from that direction that popped up on there I assume he won their flex turned it on did the whole thing. Yeah, he gets done I mean we saw him tracking down that guy who was trying to steal cars tackled that son of a bitch Damn, he got an award. I mean, there's real security around here. Yeah, now he's grown his hair trying to go undercover.

The guy might be a Navy SEAL coming up. Who knows? Let's continue to talk about other sports that we don't get to talk about enough. Let's stay in hockey. What's going on with the Panthers, brother? Hurricanes win 3-zip. They're down 3-1. You think the Cots are going to be able to handle this?

And what has the series been? Just Panthers beating the shit out of the Canes until last night? Beating the absolute shit out of them. I got a chance to go Saturday on my pops birthday to witness a 6'2 ass woman. But yeah, we kinda let off the gas. I don't know exactly what happened. Was on a flight last night, had some spotty service,

landed, saw your message first, then saw the 3-0 loss. So that's definitely unfortunate. Finally, the Canes get a win. I think we're at 1-15 there last year for this finals game. So the streak is. Finally, the Cains get a win. I think they're 1-15 in their last conference finals game. So the streak is finally over for the Cains. But I think we'll get it done in Carolina. We'll close it out.

Gentleman's sweep, and then we'll have some nice time off before the Stanley Cup championship. Maybe. Shreg, do you follow hockey at all? No, maybe. I do. I'm a New York Rangers fan. It didn't go well for us this year.

Yeah, beat their ass last year. You guys beat our ass in the conference finals last year, and I went to a couple of those games. So yeah, like the hockey, but you know, right now every time you guys are talking, I'm just thinking Knicks and NBA. Okay, well speaking of Knicks and the NBA, Schrags, we're gonna ask you to get up for a moment, and we're gonna welcome in a New York firefighter.

Hell yeah. A man who protects and serves his community. And in doing so, he loves the team from the state of Indiana. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man who received a nice flight. I heard it was first class. Okay, perfect. A man who's staying in a suite, I do believe, in one of the hotels around town. Boom.

A man who's being treated the way he should be treated in the city in which he serves. But instead, in the city in which he comes from, he had bags of trash thrown at his back. He was attacked on the streets. He was caught a bum. He was ridiculed and mocked and maybe even mobbed by a group of New Yorkers.

That represent the entire city, everybody everybody in it that group right there. That's right Ladies and gentlemen a man who's gonna bring great aura into the arena tonight a Man who knows the sweet science ladies and gentlemen. Hanz Perez ladies and gentlemen. Hanz Perez ladies and gentlemen. Hanz, great to see you. Hanz, great to see you. Hell yeah, Hanz. Hell yeah, Hanz.

Did you see Bruce push him? He's gone back. Sir, I appreciate you man. Thank you. Welcome to the city man. No problem, we got to get your mic on when we do. It is in, hey thank you for coming out to the city. How's it been brother? Speaking of you gotta speak in the mic. Sorry sorry. It's okay. Yeah it's been awesome. As soon as I got out the gate at

the airport I got fire service guys waiting for me you know. Whole airport was there taking pictures of me. I pull up to the hotel, I got the pace mates, I got Boomer there with me. Oh you're having a time? Oh man this is nothing. I got ready getting souvenirs, got a Nap Town fire. So this is awesome, this is great. Okay well we're lucky you're in our city, we're thankful that you came. Has it all been smooth? Did he fly you first class? Did you get a good hotel room? Are your tickets tonight good enough? Is there anything we need to hammer Tyrese Halliburton about? Tyrese did great. Tyrese did awesome. He laid out the red carpet for me. This is great. Well, I think because you're here, that's why they're letting Tyrese's dad back in the

building as well. What are you expecting from tonight's game, Hans? Tonight, we're going up 3-1. Pacers are getting the job done tonight. Nixon in trouble. Nixon going down. Tonight was supposed to be the sweet. You know, I felt Tyrese brought me here because he knew it was going to be a sweet, but greater powers probably had something involved with that, who knows. But tonight is 3-1. We're going back to New York to cut it out, close this thing out, and resound the victory tonight.

What has life been like for you back in New York now that everybody knows you're a Pacers fan in New York? I think like probably your friends, obviously that mob knew because you're wearing the jersey, but now it feels like everybody knows that you're a Pacers fan that lives in New York. What has life been like for the last week or so? Oh man, I've been getting my chops bust all my life for being a Pacers fan from my friends

and growing up and family, but now like the whole fire department knows I'm a Pacers fan. My daughter's baseball, softball game. I'm going to the softball game. I got all the parents coming up to me like, oh my God. Celebrity, celebrity. You're getting your balls busted for being a celebrity too, I assume.

I assume your fire department is obviously mocking you for the amount of attention you're getting for all this or no? Slightly, slightly, a little bit, a little bit. Well, I think you've been handling it very well. I think it's been a great story of this entire series. And I think I've seen a lot of New York people back you, too, and say, like, hey, that's not how we would act. I assume you've gotten a lot of that from them as well?

Yeah, no, a lot. I've been getting a lot of that even from Knicks fans telling me, like, that's not right. That's not cool. That's not how you treat people, like, regardless who you support, you know? But yeah, they just, they show support, though. They're loving me.

They're giving me a lot of credit for holding it down, taking these in, and they're telling me that that wasn't right. Yeah, being a fan is a good thing. Being a sports fan is a good thing. Being in New York City, being a Pacer fan during this era is a wild decision, we will say. As we saw the video, we all thought it was wild. Now we're thankful that you're getting a chance to experience it.

Keep staying on business for the Pacers. Connor has a question for you, Hans. Yeah, so Hans, when you're watching these games are you worried at all about you know the next round. Are you thinking about the NBA championship. Have you have you kind of

parlayed this into like a Tyrese win game for I'm going to have to have to be here for game six. I'm probably have to be here for game one of the NBA finals. The you know I don't want to ask him talk about game six

because I don't think it's going that far. you know. I'm not going to see a game six this year. And that's going to happen. So maybe we can talk about the finals. But now I've been paces are going all the way. If it was OK, see Minnesota, this team is destined. This is a, this is a hell of a team right here to come back against Milwaukee, to come back against Cleveland, the first game one, come back against the Knicks. Like this team is. Yeah, but what about being up 20 and losing? Hey, hey, hey, the Knicks. I don't like it either.

I don't like it either. I don't like it either, you know, but I don't, stuff happens, stuff happens. What were you, when you were watching that game, what was the roller coaster of emotion up 20 and then when they come back and win? Game three, I watched it in the firehouse. I was in the firehouse with the guys watching it, so.

Oh, that's dope. You were the only Pacers fan in there, I assume? The only Pacers fan, yeah. Yeah, they got you. They got me. They were getting on me the game. But they were sad the first half. First half, I was trying to keep my, like, not cheering too much,

not be too happy in front of their faces, but yeah, it was rough dealing with that. I had to go downstairs and watch it on the TV by myself during the comeback because it was too much hair. Yeah, that's going to continue. I couldn't even fathom if the Knicks come back and win this series. They won't. Not a chance.

Not a chance. Got a lot of Knicks in six techs happening from every New York Knicks person and obviously over there. No, here they go. Got a five in the middle finger on the New York Knicks guy. Okay. Yeah, I appreciate everything about it. Hans, have you had any of the local establishments?

Have you had any of our local meat? How has the day been here? Have you seen the city at all? So far from the airport to here. Oh, you just got here? I just got here. All body, go explore. Local meat is...

I can't wait to talk to you. Yeah, the local steaks here are the best. That's what we're known for. You need to go to a couple steak houses. I'm down to try some of the local meat. Yeah, try some of the local meat. Eat all the local meat that you can. TIP afterwards.

Charles was talking about street meat, loving street meat. I don't know if the street meat here is the best, but you've got to like St. Elmo's, Harry Nizzi's, Prime 47. Little class here, little class here, not street meat. Yeah, they would love to have you guys. In the's, Harry Newsy's, Prime 47. Little class here, little class here. Nice to meet you.

Yeah, they would love to have you. We're in Indiana, we're gonna do a classic. Yeah, well we're very appreciative of you being here. Enjoy the night, thank you for stopping by. And let's win one tonight, huh? Yes, sir. Big one, big game. Hans Perez.

Yeah, baby. Hans. Take care, guys. Thank you for everything. Enjoy yourself, man. Thank you, thank you. Yep. Good luck, dude. Go get them.

What's that? Is this your... That's gifts that I brought for you guys. I did not know that. I know you love a tank top. Hell yeah, the Gas House Gang. Engine 206, what up, crew? Gas House Gang!

I brought some for the doze. what up crew that's okay, sir. What's up for the dough? The gas house gang yeah, that's sick On thank you for being the epitome of a fan dude that was a real deal If you ever want to transfer to a different firehouse to a city that respects you Yeah, I wonder how that works. Can you just kind of say I'm going to be an Indianapolis firefighter now? I think if you're a New York firefighter, you could pretty much transfer wherever you want.

Chum said it. This is going to be a crazy offseason, man. He says it's going to be the wildest offseason. Most craziest. Yeah, most craziest offseason ever. Most craziest offseason. Hans is getting traded for four first-round picks. I mean, there is a chance that that happens.

There's a chance that Hans just becomes an Indianapolis native. It happened with Gio. Yeah. Codcaster? Gio lives in Indy? I mean, there is a chance that that happens. There's a chance that Hans just becomes an Indianapolis native. It happened with Gio. Yeah, podcaster? Gio lives in India? Gio lives in India. I think he's going to a temple. He followed Carson Wentz.

No, his dad got a job out here. Carson happened to come out here at the same time. They obviously had a connection. Now Gio's going back to Philadelphia, but this city will captivate you. A lot of guys that play here, stay here. Obviously a great place to raise your family. Obviously a great place to live. A lot of things to play here stay here. Obviously great place to raise your family obviously great place to live a lot of things to

do small town feel the weather Paul I will say comes and goes it's a hit or miss. We're at now. Not terrible. Not nice now. We got the we got the great the great part of it here for a

little bit and then it'll get shitty you know in about two months and no no no three three three and a half months if we're lucky for it's about to be amazing here in Indianapolis. This weather is perfect right now to be clear sun's about to be amazing here in Indianapolis. This weather is perfect right now, to be clear.

Sun's not too crazy, the weather's not too hot, not too cold. There is a little breeze just in case you start sweating. Mother Nature just says, go ahead and cool down a little bit. God bless you to D-Butt. Joining us back again, ladies and gentlemen, New York Knicks fan, Peter Schragger. Hi, baby Schrags. Whoa. Him and Bruce have been bopping each other all day. Both Rocky Kiss, too.

Good contingent. New York Fandatory. There's a Knicks contingency kind of gathering over here. I like their accents. I can hear it through their yells. I also appreciate that one of the guys is literally using his middle finger to use the one. You know, he's going, this is, oh, okay.

Yeah. Nick's in six. That's the most New York thing of all time. Staten Island. I could see Staten Island from a mile away. All that Staten Island. That is so Staten Island. Four arm tat right there.

Staten Island. What is Staten Island? That's the, that's the poopy island. So Long Island. Isn't that where Lady Liberty, is it Lady Liberty on Staten Island. What is Staten Island? That's the, uh... That's the poopy island. No! Long Island. Long Island is really the nice place. Isn't that where Lady Liberty, is it Lady Liberty on Staten Island?

Ellis. Staten Island's where, uh, Pete? Pete Davidson. Pete Davidson. Colin Jost, the Staten Island guy. Oh yeah, he bought the ferry, right? He did, bought the Staten Island ferry. Yeah.

So hold on, that's the boroughs, all the boroughs here. It's five boroughs, and you've got Queens Bronx Manhattan Brooklyn And then you've got Staten Island, which is connected by the verazano connects Brooklyn and Staten Island So yeah, Staten Island's represented here. I believe Wu Tang also from Staten Island. Shaolin. What part of Pittsburgh is Nick from? He's not the the poopy side of plum, right? Yeah, he is from the poopy side. That's Staten Island in New York. Okay Regency is the poopy side of Plum, right? Yeah, he is from the poopy side of Plum. That's Staten Island in New York. Okay. Regency. Regency, you're talking about Regency. Regency, yeah.

What would that be for Indianapolis? The West Side. Beautiful, beautiful. That is the city. If we're actually gonna do this accurately. Staten Island takes a lot of crap. People, but they are proud people right there, and I like that, and I respect that.

No, they actually take a lot of crap, though, right? Isn't that kind of the thing? Because it's where the... Hey, we appreciate you Staten Islanders coming out here. Yeah, you need them. Pretty, pretty punch. Let's talk about some baseball that's happening around the MLB. The biggest superstars are playing their best ball.

Aaron Judge still hitting baseballs? Yeah, big time. Aaron Judge might end up with an over 400 batting average which would be the first time since? Ted Williams in like 1930 something. Before he went to the war. He's one of the biggest stars in baseball he's playing fantastic. Paul Skeens is still kind of stuck in Pittsburgh we'll continue to monitor that situation. Yeah they don't give up a lot of runs they just can't score so they lose all the time, seemingly, in Pittsburgh.

But out in LA, they have a global phenomenon. His name's Shohei Otani. Shohei Otani, not only great with the stick, but he's back pitching. Ty, we're going to see this guy pitching this year. This will be first time long time. Yeah, maybe. I mean, it's kind of the same thing.

Jett Passon, because I asked him last time he was on the Shohei, I mean, are we going to see Shohei throw any time soon? And he basically shut it down immediately and said no, but he's throwing live BP. So that's another big step. That means he's off the mound, throwing as hard as he can, probably touching triple digits. Shohei wants to pitch, and I think Shohei has kind of earned the right, especially within the Dodgers organization. He can do whatever the hell he wants to do.

So as long as he lets them know that he feels good and the Dodgers pitching staff is a little banged up, I think there is a chance we see him. My guess would be it probably wouldn't be until after the All Star break, though. Schrags, Shohei Otani, global superstar, maybe the best player playing too, outside of Aaron Judge, who's hitting phenomenally.

But if he is to pitch well and hit well, you're talking about stuff that's never been done. And he's the most famous guy in the world. That'd be great for the MLB that has been looking for something. Maybe the stratus, you know, kind of put itself back in the stratosphere of other sports. Yeah, look, the Mets and Dodgers played this past weekend in New York and it was a big deal. Are you a Mets guy or Yankees guy? I'm a Yankees guy myself.

Oh, yeah. Sorry. Sorry to Mets fans. But when they're in town and I went to the World Series in the playoffs last year, this guy is the biggest star in the game. How do you market it even more? He's got a huge personality when he's doing all that stuff. I just, you know, it's, it's international. And I think if I'm going to bring it back to football, Travis Hunter has the ability to do maybe this wide receiver cornerback thing, which would be breaking ground. Maybe he has a chance to maybe be the Otani of football in that hey we can go and do it in a different way than it's been done traditionally for all these okay

let's talk about that I've seen videos of Travis Hunter I believe you got married congratulations a long time obviously big decision I am a happily married man as are a lot of people on this stage so congrats to Travis Hunter I saw him going into a kid's front yard I think to work with down there. He's everybody. Everything that everybody says about him is all good things. Guys football IQs through the roof. He's a joy to be around.

He loves ball. He doesn't like doing anything else. Travis Hunter obviously a lot of expectations being drafted that high. He has talked about being a complete football player.

He wouldn't feel as if he's doing the game justice if he didn't play on offense and on defense. Then in one of the rookie OTAs he didn't play. He didn football player. He wouldn't feel as if he's doing the game justice if he didn't play on offense and on defense. Then in one of the rookie OTAs, he didn't take any snaps at DB. He only took routes.

What is the conversation happening down there in Duvall? With Travis Hunter, because this is the AFC South, brother. And Travis Hunter, I don't know if he wants to come in to this Lucasor lighthouse and deal with both sides of the ball. But it sounds like this is actually going to happen. And how does Jacksonville feel about it? I think the intention is he's going to get an opportunity

this summer to do both, and we'll see how it goes. The truth of the matter is they took such a big swing in trading up and giving up next year's first round pick and giving all these other future picks to get them. They're going to maximize this. I like Jacksonville's approach to this whole entire new regime in that 39-year-old head coach, 34-year-old GM, Grant Udinski, the offensive coordinator, 29 years old.

And their defensive coordinator, Campanelli, who might be Staten Island based, Anthony Campanile, might be from Staten Island. I'm not sure. He's a New York Jersey guy. 42 years old. So they're like, we're going young. We're taking a big swing.

We're tired of the retread stuff. And I appreciate the fact they went for it in the draft. And then you saw Gladstone's press afterwards. Talks like he's out of space and it's a different kind of generation. How he talks. You've known Stoner for a while, I assume, because he comes through the McVeigh camp out there in Los Angeles. Sean McVeigh came on the program after he was hired,

and we looked at a picture of Stoner and we're like, they hired a 12-year-old. They hired an actual 12-year-old down there in Jacksonville. And then McVeigh comes on and goes, take it easy on my man Stoner. He loves the game, sees the game the same way I do. So if you have that young of people in so many pillar positions, I assume it's all long-term thinking down there,

because they still got to build a stadium. I mean, this is not an easy couple years for Jacksonville going forward. They've got the quarterback signed, but we're waiting for them to take that leap. And as we talk Jaguars football, everyone already is like, they want to be interesting. They don't want to be the 32nd team in the league.

They don't want to be the team that all the networks like, you gave us a Jaguars game, what are we doing? They want to be a team that's relevant, but also a team that can play in an interesting brand of football. Last year's draft, this kid right here, Brian Thomas, was as good as any other rookie wide receiver that includes neighbors, that includes Harrison,

it includes a Duneze. They've got a feeling, they've got some stuff there. And then Stoner and Liam Cohen come from that youthful Rams organization. So they look at the- Has Liam figured out the whole, uh? I don't know about the Duval thing, man. I don't get it. I don't know.

What if they just change it for him? Yeah, they'll be thinking about it. Hey, if they start winning, and like you mentioned, they figure out Trevor Lawrence and they get him playing top level. You talked about Travis Hunter. Him having Brian Thomas Jr. on the other side is a huge for him and his potential to grow

and be a great rookie. So raw. Travis feels like a home group to have that impact. Travis feels like a home run human. Yes. Like everything we've heard out of him. So raw at wide receiver, though, and the fact that, like, he hasn't been coached as a wide receiver

in that way, where a lot of the stuff he did at Colorado was all natural, big hands. I'll go after the catch. I'll do it. Now he's going to be treated as a wide receiver and given that NFL coaching and the ability to elevate the game even more because you got to be in a spot so there's a difference between NFL and college college is an area NFL is like a spot and if you're not at said spot guys like

there is Jay Butler will beat you to that spot and it's a pick going the other way and Trevor Lawrence needs to have a great year so he needs to have a lot of trust in you so like I see a lot of people on the internet judging Travis Hunter's routes his His hands are down. He's giving away. All those things are accurate. All those things are real takes. It's all new.

But also it's something he can learn, I think, with how athletic he is. I think these are techniques and fundamentals that he can learn and work on and sell. And I think that means his upside is still very, very, very, very much ahead of where he is now. So good luck to him. But he's got a problem in the AOC South with the Indianapolis Colts. We joked about it earlier with Danny Dimes introducing himself in the city,

and the city introducing itself to Danny Dimes this weekend. I love that. Quarterback competition at the top. What have you heard from the quarterback competition? And what does that mean, quarterback competition? They're splitting ones reps? They're splitting like time in meeting rooms? How does that work?

I don't know how that works. It's gonna be pure. It's gonna be a wide open competition between the two and Chris Ballard could have passed on this and said, you know what, we drafted Anthony Richardson fourth overall. My name's on that. No, no, they brought him real competition. And I could tell you, Minnesota was very interested in bringing Daniel Jones back. And he chose to be an Indianapolis colt. He looked at this situation and said, I can win that job and I can revitalize that franchise. So he's not coming here to be the backup and Richardson isn't willing to just give it to him. So very rarely in the NFL these days you get two young quarterbacks fighting for their careers.

You have that in Indianapolis and I think that's good for both of them. I think so too. Cannot wait to see them battle. I think it's tough for a team though. I think the locker room is gonna know who's winning that battle a lot earlier than everybody else and I don't know how you don't have Biases not that our show has any biases obviously we are Right down the middle every time just like this Eastern Conference finals. That's why we brought in the coach. It's right here Okay, we checked the box here for that entire thing, but the locker room is not gonna be like that

I'll be intrigued to see how it all gets managed. That's a lot of effort out of Shane Steichen. Now, let's go to Green Bay. Ty, go ahead. Yeah, Schrags, what's the latest with Jair Alexander? I saw it came out that they offered him kind of a different contract, or they're trying to work on it, but the sides are still a ways away.

Obviously, the last couple times you've been on, I asked because you had dinner with Matt LaFleur the night before the NFL draft or two nights before. What can you tell us about this situation? Is this close to getting done because the Packers still need Jair Alexander? I think this comes a lot differently than what you were reading leading into the draft

that he was supposed to be traded draft. The guy came on this show and I said, I'm a lot higher on them getting this thing settled because I knew Matt and Jeff Halfley, in addition to Matt, both wanted to keep Jair in the fold and consider him a team leader and a chance to get it done. This contract situation, as Schneiderman is reporting, seems like it's at least being a conversation,

but he said he's going to be at mandatory camp either way. So to me, we are light years ahead in this relationship as opposed to where we were. The perception was going into the draft. So I'm confident that both sides want to get it done. It's just got to be sensible how to make it happen. Packers fans want it done, right? Yeah, they need him.

When he's healthy, he's one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL. He hasn't been healthy the last several years, and they kind of did. I don't want to say cleaned house, but you look at their depth chart, they don't have a lot of guys who have started a lot of games in the NFL cornerback. They obviously went out and got Hobbs from Vegas

this off season. But when he is elite, I mean, me and D-Bud have talked about this, he's an all-pro cornerback. They need him. Absolute game changer when he's out there and healthy. And you mentioned Jeff Haftley, like, his defense, the leap that they took, even with him not being out there full-time, being healthy, bringing him him over former giant safety Xavier McKinney who was dynamic all pro

as well he is a big cornerstone piece who could potentially he has another big time year next year he's one of those guys get another big deal if he can stay on that field yeah dynamic playmaker and from everything that i've heard the guys in the locker room like you know one of the greatest things stories We've ever heard still yeah Carolina that is the absolute first he forgot I couldn't even imagine the floor had to be so pissed Oh, yeah, before not know he's from Charlotte. Yeah, it's on the floor. It's certainly on the floor for not naming him captain I mean, but from that moment until what you said it's like the relationship is obviously I assume the floor learned a lot about who Jair is there yeah in that entire moment and you know sometimes there's frustrations

that have to come to a head for people to develop their relationship the most feels like they like him he likes them he'd be great for him hopefully they're able to get a deal done he is a great personality yes he is great for the league I would like him to do more interviews. That's my only hope. How do we how do we how do we feel about the quarterback though? Because Jordan coming in last year everyone was hey this could be the MVP. Hey this could be the guy. Hey they got it right again. Vikings and Bears fans back here saying he sucks.

I mean I saw. Bears fans said that was not me. Hold on we do not have our shit figured out either. I saw him on the mound at that Brewers game, throwing out that first pitch. Any time a pitch goes out of the frame, not a great sign. What happened? I did not see this.

He threw a first pitch. He got a pull-it. What? It was too cool for school out there. He kind of lulled it all out. Jordan Lopp threw an opening pitch, a first pitch? Yeah, he did. Do we have it?

Quarterback. I think in his mind, he's thinking hey the Brewers fucking suck They don't deserve my a-plus game. I'm not gonna go out here. Why is he playing to the level of his competition? No, well, I always listen. He's you know Russell Wilson was he over the Brewers. He doesn't know the Brewers popping it in there. Hold on, hold on. He didn't want to hurt his arm. I was a little surprised we didn't start the show with this. What are we doing here?

That's strictly because I did not see that until right now. Can we go back to the beginning? You got to burn it down the middle. It's a quarterback. I mean, it was a completion, though. Yeah. It was a completion. Yeah, it might be picked off.

I've thrown one first pitch, and it was for the Indianapolis Indians here, the triple A affiliate for the Pittsburgh Pirates. That's the name of the team. That's the name of the team. I agree. Hey, that's the name of the team. That's the name. I didn't name the team.

I don't own the team. It is the name of the team. It's an honor. In Indianapolis, Indiana, it is the Indianapolis Indians. They're the triple A affiliate of the Pittsburgh Pirates. Paul Skeens was here. Oh my God. It's the name of the team.

Yeah, jeez. Jesus, this guy. Come on. This guy's a bad guy. Oh, no. It's right here. He went to a game. This guy actually bought a bunch of tickets.

How could you not? Beautiful park. Oh, it's so nice. Beautiful park. Right downtown Indianapolis. Long, fun time. It is gorgeous. It is a great park.

A lot of boos. To be clear, I think in that area, they could get a couple more, some more space and build that up. Oh yeah. And I think Indianapolis would be a great baseball. Well the owner would have to spend some money. But I'm saying if it was a MLB team.

It'd change the affiliates, yeah. Yeah, if it was an actual team I think it would do very well here. People love it. You go to a game. When Paul Skeens was here, place sold out. People were standing in the stadium, in downtown buildings. It was a beautiful thing. They asked me to throw one.

How'd it go? So I never threw off a bump. I didn't grow up playing baseball. Used to go down to Burrowfields though and enjoy the entertainment. It was a good time. Everybody was down there. Never played baseball though.

Tim McPhee hated baseball. Wouldn't sign me up for it. Always had a good arm, pretty explosive, good hand eye. Could have been a great baseball player. I think there's a chance I could have been good. Tim McPhee was not about it. Said, we're not committing to this. Too long, no clock. So I've never done it. So then Iee was not about it. We're not committing to this through all notes. No clock.

So I've never done it. So then I get asked to do the first pitch like day of or whatever. Call my friends and play baseball and they go you need to throw through the catcher whenever you're up there because

your natural thought is going to be to throw it down because you're elevated. You need to throw it through because I want to throw heat. I want to throw absolute gas. Of course. Right.

So I went in there. Lo and behold they were right. I try to throw that down. Skip it through the legs of the catcher. Oh well it's a in there. Lo and behold, they were right. I try to throw that down, skip it through the legs of the catcher. Oh, well, it's a back thing. Put a hole. I put a hole in one of the promotional banners in the back.

Maybe worst opening pitch of all time. But the conversation at point is I said I'm bringing it. Yeah. Bingo. And I think if you're an athlete and you go up there, I think that is you. You got a chance here to actually attempt an actual pitch.

Jordan Love said, I played Green Bay every other week. I don't need to be proving myself to anybody and just locked it in there and didn't get hurt. Is that what we're assuming? And do starting quarterbacks normally throw it hard? Because there's a lot of potential opportunity for elbow, shoulder, you name it, injuries with the difference in weight.

I don't know if he played baseball growing up. I've seen Bake Mayfield throw a first pitch and like he burned one. Russell's a second baseman, so that's a little bit different. He was in full uniform, full glove. Which is obviously what Russ is going to do no matter what. Sunglasses. Are you worried about Jordan Love? D-Buts brings up a good point.

I've not seen that. That was his decision. Is he a competitor? That's it. That's what worries me is I don't I don't love the too cool for school approach because I know if Jordan Love wants to he's burning that thing 97 right down the surprise. He didn't throw up Nick. Nick just said why didn't you just go under him? I can't floater from Roengarden when he pulls the glove back and he goes floater or whatever. He says go for it's his mom's glove. Why didn't he just do that? Well, because that's Mickey Mouse. You don't do that shit.

I was making that. What was that? He's just getting it done with. He's checking a box. You know what he's thinking? I need an ice cold Miller Lite and I need a hot dog stat. He's not, because again, the brewery sucks. This guy's eating hot dogs and drinking beers.

I hope so if he's at a ball game, like a real American would do. If he's Danny Dimes. On Memorial Day weekend? Yeah, exactly. You know what? Actually, you raise a good point. He might have had to scurry out there.

He might have been doing the flyover. Maybe on Memorial Day weekend, he didn't want to show up the troops. He said, hey, let me get out of here. Jordan Love. Jordan Love, a great guy. Pretty ball to the Vikings, man. Oh, great guy. Anybody to be.

They got JJ McCarthy. He's OK. He's got nothing to worry about. Is he A he a okay? We don't know we have no idea We just hope for the best and assume playoff wins CF in college a lot Okay Kate back to Mara had a couple Where's he playing Western Carolina or something? Vikings may travel to the show. You don't need to be attacking him. He's a good man.

Attack me first. He's got an indie hat. He lives here. Did you see all the coaches were at Kenny Chesney at the Sphere? You had who? You had Kevin O'Connell. OK.

Sean Payton. What? And Andy Reid, all together backstage. That show is probably awesome. Kenny Chesney at the Sphere in Vegas. I couldn't even fathom Kenny Chesney at that Sphere. So awesome. I think from the pictures that I've seen,

he's taking advantage of it. Way better than U2. Well, we're not going to get into that. Obviously, we've had our entire take on the U2 program that we watched at the Sphere for $60,000 for the suite. We talked about it. They weren't playing for us. No.

They weren't playing for anybody. No, they weren't for their diehard loyal fans. Well, Mike Foss is their biggest fan. He said it sucked, too. Poor Mike. It was great. Off the rack. Off the record. I said it sucked too. So, man. Poor Mike. It was great. Off the rack, off the record. I just didn't know any of the songs.

I didn't know any of the songs. So it was tough for me. So I just got like 250 milligrams in me and just rode the ride of the night. Which turned out not to be good because they threw up. The words that they threw up there were certainly very, very aggressive. So I was kind of getting tripped out a little bit.

I mean, it was whatever the case. The Spear had a lot of opportunity. It did. A lot of potential. Feels like Kenny Chesney's taking care of it. I mean, it was whatever the case. The sphere had a lot of opportunity. It did. A lot of potential. Feels like Kenny Chesney's taking care of it. These guys, whenever they're traveling like this, do we assume, here they are,

Kevin O'Connell is seven feet tall. He is so tall. Used to be an NFL quarterback. People forget. Incredibly handsome, so smart. He was a great quarterback, obviously made to the league, was a backup for a while until Tannenbaum said,

hey, sit down. Before you touch your seat, you're fired. Get out of here. Great head coach. Are they talking ball this entire time, you think? How often are they sharing secrets? How often are they texting each other? You know these people much better than we do.

Do they share game with each other often? I 100% think that football does come up in that situation. They probably just do a little small talk. But knowing Sean, knowing Andy, knowing Kevin, I could imagine them getting very deep in the weeds about their quarterbacks, about the offense. Maybe 50 milligrams in there at the speed of the ball. Yeah, boys of falls playing in the background.

Payton definitely enjoyed himself. He was sending me pictures, videos. He was having a blast at this thing. Payton, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. Kevin O'Connell was like, this kind of makes me think we're on a hurry up. I mean, Sean Payton, Sean Payton's in the boys of fall music video.

He is. Him and Kenny go way back. Oh, yeah, he's in the music video giving a speech to a high school football team. Kenny was at Sean's wedding. They are that tight, those guys, yes. Oh, so they're having a good time. Those guys are.

Andy Reid and Kevin O'Connell probably trying to piece together how it all works, if I had to guess. Trying to deconstruct the entire show. They're probably asking Kenny Chesney what all they had to do. I think about the graphics that you've got to put together. Dana White, he just won awards last week at the award thing. Emmys? Sports Emmys?

The Sphere won the Emmy for performance in a, I don't know what the hell it was called. This is great. Best award thing. Dana White won a couple of awards. He's not doing a gimmick there. He legitimately forgot the name there. Yeah, I completely forgot.

He was looking for an assist earlier. Nobody gave him one. Because Dana Todd's about it on the show when he announced this year. He wanted to actually win, you know, Emmys forward. And they did. They won a few. Visual experience.

Yeah, bingo. Yeah. Hey, Shregs, you won it, Emmys. Congrats. Congrats. We talked about you. You joined our show the next day. That was back when, even though I assume a lot of people were telling you, you should not come on our show, you would come on our show the next day. That was back when even though I assume a lot of people were telling you you should

not come on our show, you would come on our show. So we're very thankful for you doing that. It always happened. The day after the Emmys, though, I mean, you were pretty hungover. You got pretty banged up after winning the Emmy and celebrated. That's a massive ordeal in the TV world. We're trying to understand this legitimately every year because we watch people that we have a lot of respect for get bummed out for not winning

them. And I'm always just like, hey, you have an audience, you've had a job for 30 years. Like, that's the award. Like I think that is in our eyes, but we don't come from the TV world at all. None of us probably thought we were going to be doing this. So it's like we're trying to understand it. It's a big deal. And does this like how legacies are made through these things?

Is that why you got so excited? I think it definitely it feels like to be recognized. It's pretty cool. Now, the ratings are one thing, and the celebrities, all this stuff. But when the people who vote on the Emmys actually deem you as one of those guys, it's pretty cool. Now, I haven't been since I won that Emmy.

The night is eternally long. It is a... A lot of awards. Four hours. I think 59 awards are given. Damn. And I wouldn't say winning an Emmy has done anything that's going to change the way I look at things. But that night, it's a really cool experience.

It feels like your peers are saying you've done good. Yeah, and to see like, all right, because we at Good Morning Football had kind of a show that was a hell of a run. Hell of a run. Hell of a run. Nine years I was on that show. Love that show.

Indianapolis has been great to that show. Love that show. Indianapolis has been great to our show. Good morning football. And it was, we were always like, here's how football shows are done. And we were like, let's flip it on its head and do it a little differently. And let's kind of zig whatever else is agonizing. So to be recognized was really cool. But I think it's a travesty that this show hasn't won anything.

No, we don't know. Well, that's what I was going to say. Like, with it being four hours long, if I put any kind of mental capacity into it, halfway through the show, if we didn't win, I'd leave. I'd be so pissed. Bro, Dan Patrick's show, and I don't know the relationship between,

like, those guys get nominated every year, and they lose every year. I loved it, we loved Dan Patrick. Dan Patrick's been good to us. Those guys have been great. And they lose every year, best daily show, and I'm like, in my head, I'm like, at some point, like you nominated them.

Seaton was pissed. No. I don't think they're pissed. I think they joked about it. They said they were honored to be nominated. Nominated. Which that made me think, like, you guys have been like the standard in this world for so long.

And have had an audience for so long and a job for so long. And have set narratives in sports for so long. It's like it feels like that's an award, you know? That's why whenever I see people get so pumped up for it, I'm like, all right, I got to understand what this is. I think it legitimizes legacies. It's like, you know... It's how people view it.

Who votes? That's the thing. It's a mysterious blob of people that vote. I think it's producers around different networks, and I'm sure someone at ESPN could tell us who does it. But it's more of the traditional, I think, guys who've been in the truck, guys who put on events. It definitely is the biggest night in sports media

because everyone's there. So when you see a Scott Van Pelt or you see, you know, a Bob Costas or you see even like... Who won? Charles, right? Charles won the big one. But I'll tell you what... Jen Lada? Jen Lada won three of them. She dominated. Congrats, Jen. Our guy Orlovski was nominated and I'm telling Dan I'm like that's a huge he did Fart on Air.

That's his thing. That's what he's known for. That's not what he's known for. He's known for a lot of other stuff but he certainly has. Your guy maybe. He's certainly Fart on Air. But you know Dan got nominated numerous times. He lost to Charles Barkley and Dan was bombed he's texting me he's like I want to win I'm like I get it bro but like He's certainly forward on it. But Dan got nominated. Numerous times. And he lost to Charles Barkley. And Dan was bummed. He's texted me. He's like, I want to win. I'm like, I get it, bro. But like, Charles Barkley, like, that there is no shit. But you're a competitor, and you want to win?

And so Orlovsky was genuinely bummed out that he didn't beat Barkley. I'm like, that's why you're good, Dan, because you want to get to that. Dan's going to win that, Dan. Let's go, Dan. Not as Barkley's dominated. Yeah, as long as Charles Barkley's on the microphone,

I think everybody else should probably just understand what's going on here. Have a little self-awareness. You're talking about a guy that could say anything about anything and it'd be good somehow. Huh? Charles Barkley has a gift of not answering phone calls. Has he returned?

No, he hasn't. I don't think. He had a good serve. Nothing, not a single thing. He's making the turn at Grey Eagle right now, so maybe. Good course. It is a good course. It is a good course. It is a nice course. All right, as we wrap up here from Indianapolis, Indiana, in excitement for game four of the

Eastern Conference Finals tonight here at Game Bridge. We can't help but say thank you so much to the Pacers for letting us be out here, be a part of this, feel like we're a part of this. To all the people that set this up, I mean, there is a community, a village of people that set all these things up out everywhere we go. Thank you so much for your efforts out here in the middle of the parking, basketball court in the middle of the city. Shout out Barco, new haircut.

Shout out, looks good. Barco got a new haircut. Haven't seen. Shout out Scott with the jibs back. Scott with the jibs back. We missed him at WrestleMania. Yep. It's great to see you back, Scott.

You've had some great shots, good aerial views, good sweeping views of the buildings down here in beautiful Indianapolis, Indiana. If you've never been here, you should come. Gotta come. We love hosting people. 400,000 plus came for the Indy 500. Tonight, a bunch of big city slickers,

Coastal Alitas, will be here for game four. We love sports, and we're incredibly lucky that we, as a group of stooges, get to talk about it every single day. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice in my change their life. We continue on digital. Now that I think so.

I can see it was a little different. Yeah, you got it. Okay, so we just hit it. Yeah, just hit that. Thank you, thank you. Real host stuff. Put that up for an Emmy right there. Boom, boom.

Hitting the clock. I miss it two out of three times. All host stuff. Put that up for an Emmy right there. Bingo. Hit the clock. I miss it two out of three times. Two out of three times I miss it. The police support me. Alright, hey, shout out to you guys. I can't get down there. My wire, I can undo mine.

No, I actually. Throw that thing. Hell yeah. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Great mustache. Let's do this, let's do this., yeah, great stash. Next fan kind of properly jocked Hi, buddy great mustache

Properly jocked you were over there with the Staten Island boys. Are you from Staten Island, New Jersey? Okay, you're from New Jersey You're a big-time Knicks fan? Big time Knicks fan. What's your name? Chris Boyle. Chris Boyle, I don't want to out you too much if you don't want to. Obviously Jersey does what Jersey does. What is your profession? Police officer.

Okay, thank you for your service, sir. I appreciate that. How long have you been a cop? Eight years. Eight years, thank you. Thank you for that. How old are you? Thirty-one.

Okay, nice. Well, keep doing what you're doing. We appreciate the hell out of you. This is the crew here? DC. Yes, sir, DC. keep doing what you're doing. We appreciate the hell out of you. This is the crew here? DC. Yes, sir, DC. You're from DC? Jersey, but I'm a DC cop.

Oh, so you're working down in the Capitol? Yes, sir. We've seen some things. I've been in some things. Were you at AJ's birthday party? AJ Hawk had a birthday party there January 6. I might have seen him in there. I was there all day.

It wasn't fun. Thank you for your service. Working? Yeah. Well was there all day. It wasn't fun. Thank you for your service. Working? Yeah. Hold on. He was wearing a moose head. You were a Viking? Okay.

Yeah, all right. Okay. We appreciate you for your service. Good luck to your Knicks. How do you genuinely feel about it? You're a cop. Don't lie. I love it.

I love serving every day. Now let's talk about the New York Knicks tonight. No. I mean, Jaylen Brunson's the savior. Francisco Indore, shout out to Mets. Oh, fuck you. Nixon 6. Nixon 6.

Well, good luck. Ruth Roe Merchant. OK. Ruth Roe Merchant. Jesus. That's a good thing. Nice to meet you, man. Thank you for your service, buddy.

Hell yeah. Very smooth there with the DAP. Thank you. Very smooth with the DAP there. All right, he's a DC cop. Metropolitan Police. He was there January 6th. You guys could never take anything seriously, huh?

Everything's a joke to you guys. He's working all day. He was there all day. He kind of, it was iffy on work. That's a wild conversation. Was he working for the country? I'm excited to be here with that convo. It's 20 years from now.

Yeah. There's a lot of stuff about that stuff. Yeah. Happy everybody's okay. Well, except for, that lost or live, obviously, the rest of the piece. But like wild day in the history. And he was right in the middle of that.

Let alone that. Think about all the other things. So much stuff. Oh, yeah. 3 AM, 4 AM. I watch House of Cards. Me too. Yeah.

I know what that guy knows. Exactly. It's a TV show. Yeah, based on a true story. House of Cards? Yeah, it's fake. It's based on Eisenhower. Art imitates life, dude, bud.

You ever see a show gun? All right, let's talk about art imitating life. Mission Impossible Final Reckoning. Huge weekend, right, Con Man? Yeah, massive, over 100 million. I believe it's the biggest weekend in the history of Memorial Day. Great start for the summer of movies here.

And of course, TC's leading the way. He released a thank you this morning because he knows, just like everybody, the movies will never die, and he is the one who saved the movies, but massive for Mission Impossible. Everyone tweeting as well. I saw one of the best movies they've ever seen.

I mean, basically, what we thought was going to happen happened this weekend. Expect this movie to get over a billion. Schrags, are you a Mission guy? I am. I'm a huge Ethan Hunt Mission Impossible fan. I have to tell you, the Pat McAfee fan in me was geeking out last Wednesday for you guys

to have Tom Cruise on the show. And then we're doing a good interview. It's like, this could be anywhere. This could be on any network. It's great. And then you're like, my guy Ty is like, oh, I know Ty. And I fell off my chair. I'm like, I'm excited for Ty. he's like, my guy Ty is like, oh, I know Ty. And I like fell off my chair. I'm like, I know Ty.

Hey Ty, what's up Ty? I'm like, what is going on? But yeah, unbelievable. Okay, we ask you. Yeah. Do you think actual or do you think he was prepped right before he got on and he's so smart, right? He has to memorize a hundred thousand lines a year,

seemingly, doing five different movies. He's got a great brain. Do you think Tom Cruise knew program? Do you think Tom Cruise was prepped lines a year, seemingly. Yeah. Doing five different movies. He's got a great brain. Do you think Tom Cruise knew Program? Do you think Tom Cruise was prepped right before he went on? I like to believe. So I'm going to say he's a fan. He's a viewer of the show.

He watches. He thinks a lot about the guys and he knew who Ty was. Okay, we're thinking that too. We're going to keep that in our minds. That's the part I want to live. That's our truth. That's our truth. Okay, and were thinking that too. We're gonna keep that in our minds. That's the world I wanna live in. That's our truth. That's our truth.

Okay, and was he eating popcorn in that video? That was a very odd way to eat popcorn, but I would never question Tom Cruise. Josh, sounds like you weren't. It was a strange... I only ate popcorn this weekend that way. It was awesome. He thinks almost better than normal.

I mean, sorry, Tom Cruise isn't a normal guy. Yeah, he eats popcorn like he's a god, because he is. This, I have never eaten popcorn this way. You should try, it's popcorn like he's a god, because he is. I have never eaten popcorn this way. You should try it. It's awesome. You're not Tom Cruise, right?

Bingo! He's the greatest actor of his generation. I think it takes us a challenge to sit 36 inches from a guy and just fool him. Like, yeah, I mean, there's popcorn in his face. Taking a picture, like, it's full of shit. Nah, he's throwing up in there. Come on, bud.

He's a great actor, though. You're a superstar of all time. How cool is it for you, though, honestly? Like, to there. Come on, Bob. He's a superstar of all time. How cool is it for you though, honestly, like to break the fourth wall? I'm watching it just on my TV freaking out. Are you guys losing your minds? We thought it was a rib. Thought it was a rib. Thought it wasn't happening.

Yeah. So like had like Fosso found email, starts banging it, starts piling it around a little bit. Banging it, banging it, boom it, bow it, a banging a boom about a boat you know emails pop pop this potentially happen is there a thought then his team and a movie team respond and it's like wait a second I think we're cooking with gas here these are potentially tough people but also could be fake it's 2025 words

to be talking to anybody I think I potentially have been talking to the trust free roll but I have no idea yeah I got I got texted been talking to Latrell Sprewell, but I have no idea. I got texted by Latrell Sprewell. It isn't actually him. OK. Is it him? I don't know. I don't know.

I'm on Twitter. Follow me with respect. Did you get the same thing? Yeah, and he's posting all these photos of himself on Twitter. I did, too. That is him. I don't know. I got a text on my actual phone number.

Is that Latrell Sprewell? I do not know. All of us are having conversations with Latrell Sprewell. that might not be the trust which leads it back to the top I told my friends about your spree just fuck freedom yeah I ride spinners I ride spinners they don't stop yeah for Latros free well created those yes I I'm the same way so maybe we are maybe we're not who knows but same type of situation happening with the Tom Cruise

Situation so the whenever he finally pops up on the screen that was like the first time we really thought it was gonna happen And then he talks for us talks to us for 35 minutes It was supposed to be 10 to 15 minutes clear at all parties agreed to that myself included. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely Then he gives his first answer. It's a two minute answer. Yeah, it was like wait a minute So if we're only doing ten minutes, this is like three questions. That's not going to happen. So we, to be clear, 100% unprofessional. Wow, we'll never win one of those awards you're talking

about. It's 14 minutes into that thing. And Zito, myself, Foxy, and everybody in the back are having a conversation while he's giving an answer. And we're getting texts. And it's like, I think this is supposed to be over. And Zito's like, yep think this is supposed to be over and Zito's like, yep, just got a text or whatever from

Foss who got a text from their people or whatever and then I get a text from Foss and we're trying to figure out what To do and literally it was like well, this might be the last time ever probably last time ever I was a good fucking question and We got to get this in and if he would have hated it. I think he would have gave us clues Yep, he would have given you a three-word answer to it. All right fellas. Thanks, sir But I think you would have gave us clues. Yep. He would have given you a three word answer. Said, all right, fellas, thanks. But I think you would have given us a blast. You have a 35 minutes he was in. And then what nobody will talk about enough is afterwards. He gave me a seven, six and a half minute master class of acting.

Crazy, like crazy, crazy. Is that the one you posted when you did not post this different? I don't know if this will ever see the light of day because we told him it was off air. Yeah. So we would have to get him to definitely approve of it. And I don't know. I don't know how that would all go. Too much game. It's the entire acting game. Just gave it to me. This is how he views it.

Did it inspire you? Yes. Yes. One million percent. Yeah. I thought to myself, I don't have enough time, I don't think, to do all the stuff that I'm supposed to be doing. Holy shit. Or the brain capacity. But it feels like this is how you do it. And if somebody gives you a blueprint on how to do something and they've been the best in the world,

it's like, oh, we should do that. And that's, like, he just broke it down. And then immediately afterwards, he's like, all right, see you guys later. So like, what he did for us, with how long he stayed, how many answers he gave, what he talked about, what he's willing to talk about, and then afterwards, breaking down something

I know nothing about in a way that only he could, it was like, my respect for Tom Cruise He's through this guy's an anomaly. Yeah. Yeah, I love when he's referencing his movies and he's like samurai Like he just names him by like one word. He's like when we did samurai When he called it mission I think a lot of okay, that's what we're calling Yeah, okay It's the entire mission series is how he views it. And then him thinking, I think Connor asked him

about the nostalgia of the rapid opera for 30 years. Onto the next. All the Mission of the Apocalypse, yeah. I got like four movies going on right now. I got no time to be nostalgic. We finished this and then we did the subtitles in Japanese in three days. I'm like, what is it?

Yeah, day before the premiere. Unbelievable. Crazy. Talked on three scripts. I don't mean to, I gotta ask you though,? Yeah, day before the premiere. Unbelievable. Crazy. Talked on three scripts. I don't mean to. I got to ask you though, like Tom Cruise is the top, top, like is there anyone else in the Pat McAvoy that you would want to have on that?

They would have to say that. I don't know. What about you? With Cruise? He's got to manifest, man. If there were Cruise. I'll get tweets from people that watch the show and they're like, you should think about Ba-Ba-Ba.

And it's somebody massive that I would never think about. I assume it would be, Lou Messy would be a big deal. Yeah. Michael Jordan. Yeah. Michael Jordan would be on the way. He's getting into media. Yeah. I like that Michael Jordan's getting into media. I like that we're going to hear his thoughts as opposed to a big deal. This would be Bradley Cooper a second time. Bradley Cooper the day after the Super Bowl is an amazing booking. Thank you. You gave a good speech. Motivated the boys to go win the Super Bowl. Yeah, we're very lucky.

Brad Pitt for F1, maybe? Brad Pitt, the F1 movie. Brad Pitt. All these conversations we have with people we view as very stupid because we started in a basement in this city. We're very lucky to kind of have the road that we have. We've been in the back of a box truck with no service.

We've been in the middle of nowhere trying to figure out a show. A Zito production has taken us around the country and got us on air in so many different times and the people that have shown Up here are like some I assume some of the people that have supported us since the very beginning And it's like to have LeBron travel early to Indianapolis to stop by and swing by and talk to us crazy like absolutely crazy that it's happened Tom Cruise coming on Crazy even Bubba Watson being like yeah would love to swing by before doing it's happened. Tom Cruise coming on, crazy. Even Bubba Watson being like,

would love to swing by before doing it. It's like crazy, it's happened. Ryan Smith, the owner of the Utah Jazz, comes in for a Pacer game swing. Vince Vaughn when he came on. Vince Vaughn, yeah, like all this shit's insane. And every time, I want everybody to know this, as soon as it's over, like you're giddy,

we just talk about how stupid that was. That guy's so stupid. You get it. I mean, this is, you're self-aware. And I'll also add this, the stuff for like Hans, the firefighter. Hans Perez, our dog. I'll tell you what, though.

There's a lot of crap on sports TV and a lot of different networks. And it's just, like, that's a cool moment. You guys are creating moments for people. Oh, come on, Shregs. Hey, here's to the great city of Indianapolis, Indiana, which is okay, call home. Thank you all for tuning in today.

Eight o'clock tonight, Nick's Pacers, Pacers favored by two and a half. As a legend named Jim Kelly stumbles in here to the Morris Bicentennial Plaza over there in the black hat, white shirt, absolute dog, massive New York Nick fan, not allowed to act like that tonight because he will be working, better keep his mouth shut.

Beat his ass! Better keep his mouth shut. There's some special people coming into this game tonight. Ooh, there's a lot of special things that happen in this city. We're lucky to call it home. Thank you for hanging out with us in the middle of the day. Thank you for watching. Good luck to all parties tonight.

We'll be back tomorrow. Schrags, you're the man for hanging out. I love it. Schaums, thank you. Pacers, thank you. Everybody back in the truck, great work, and let's enjoy the hell out of this city. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice that might change their life. Wearing this thing together. Team on me.

Team on three. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye. Thank you.