The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1356 - Ian Rapoport, Quentin Richardson, Jim Harbaugh, Pete Thamel, Kenny Albert, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

On today's show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys are break down everything that happened over an incredible sports weekend including the Oklahoma City Thunder evening the NBA Finals at one game a piece after a masterful performance from Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, the Florida Panthers evening the Stanley Cup Finals at one game a piece after Brad Marchand’s game winner in double overtime, Aaron Rodgers officially signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Packers releasing Jaire Alexander, Concafa SC’s run in TST down in Cary, NC, Pat’s time down at Parris Island, and everything else happening around the world of sports. Also joining the show are five incredible guests including NFL Senior Insider, Ian Rapoport, 13 year NBA veteran and ESPN NBA analyst, Quentin Richardson, LA Chargers Head Coach Jim Harbaugh, ESPN CFB Senior Insider, Pete Thamel, and American sportscaster for every major sport and play-by-play commentator for tonight’s Stanley Cup Final game 3 on TNT, the incomparable Kenny Albert. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode the Thunderdome on this overreaction Monday June 9th 2025 this program begins now. Spores are the greatest thing on earth and right now in the NHL Stanley Cup finals we have a tied series. In the NBA finals we have a tied series and in the NFL finals we have a Tied series and in the NFL world we have a lot of shit to talk about It is a wonderful time to be a sports fan. It's a wonderful time to have this as a profession We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this We hope you had an incredible three-day weekend a lot has happened and we'll dive into all of it The show is packed today

We got Ian Rappaport of the NFL Network joining us in about 10 minutes or so for a hot five. Okay. Hot five. Quick five. Quick five. Holy hell. Who signed with the Steelers? Oh wow. That guy just got released from the Green Bay Packers. Oh wow. That running back is now in Texas. Oh wow. A lot going on around the NFL with mandatory mini camps happening as we speak Quentin Richardson Q rich will join us obviously to chit chat about what's going on the NBA finals don't love How good SGA is yeah? I seen it with Jalen Brunson didn't love it with him this SGA guy is a scoring wizard I know people call him a foul artist, and they say he's a free throw merchant and all these things, but whatever.

What this guy is able to do on a basketball court is outrageous. Then Jalen Williams, the guy can just drop it from wherever. Chet and Hartenstein, I almost called him Holgelstein. Hartenstein, I apologize. Those two whenever they're on the on the court at the same time, which they were at times last night, Apologize those two whenever they're on the on the court at same time, which they were at times last night Massive problem for the Indiana Pacers the Pacers were able to steal one in the greatest environment in the NBA is what they call it Now they come back to Indianapolis, Indiana tied 1-1 Caruso. I mean he's locked down defender, too I mean let alone him shooting and everything else. He's doing Absolute lockdown let alone the torture chamber Lou Dort what he's been able to accomplish. His Oklahoma City team showcase why they were the best team in the NBA last night,

whenever they beat the hell out of the Indiana Pacers. Now there was a time late, you know, when both sides decided to just sub out full line changes. I thought to myself, we're down 16 right now with like two minutes. This is kind of where the Indiana Pacers kind of do their thing. Yeah. Coach Carlisle pulled everybody.

They pulled everybody. We move on to game three on Wednesday. We would like to say shout out to Oklahoma City getting a win at home. Shout out to the Pacers stealing the first game. Shout out to the NBA delivering and shout out to, I guess to us, we're going to be outside Gamebridge once again for Game 3 on Wednesday. Come join us noon to 2-ish, 2-30-ish. We'll be down there in anticipation of Game 3 of the NBA Finals. It also says Game 4 will be down there. That is TBD.

That is TBD. We shall see. I think the plan is to do that. Let's see how Wednesday goes. The last time we were down there, it was awesome. We assume it will be again, but let's also, let's not make any decisions on anything too far in the future. Sure. Good point. Wednesday, come join us if you're in town. Doesn't matter if you're an Oklahoma City fan

or if you're a Pacer fan, should be a blast. We assume we'll be loaded with all the guests that come into town for the game. It should be fun. Now the Talks at the Table's here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer, down. Cowboys AP tone is here.

Nine year NFL vet, Darice J. Butler is here. D-Butch. D-Butch, I don't know if you heard this or not. Aaron Rodgers is officially a Pittsburgh Steeler. Yes. Finally. An entire off season of chit chatting about what the future could be for Aaron Rodgers.

Is he gonna retire? Was he gonna be a Minnesota Viking? Was he gonna be a New York Giant? We knew he wasn't going to be a New York Jet after we heard that his conversation with the Jets new head coach, a new general manager, lasts about three minutes. After he flew himself all the way across the country to go shake their hands, they kick him out of the building. What's Aaron's next step? Is he going to retire maybe and focus on something other than ball for the rest of his life?

Maybe continue to build up You know knowledge and things that we had never heard of before talking to him. Sure darkness retreats ayahuasca ceremonies The enlightening of your body and your soul to become the best you possible so you can provide to society That is kind of the journey that seemingly Aaron Rodgers has been on. What would his future be? We all wondered including myself Aaron Rodgers has been on. What would his future be? We all wondered, including myself. Now we know he is definitely a Pittsburgh Steeler. It seemed as if all of Pittsburgh thought he was going to be a Steeler. It seemed as if all the insiders thought he was going to be a Steeler. He decided to announce on Friday that he was going to be joining the Pittsburgh Steelers. I wonder why then, why now, and how long has he been in the decision of becoming a Pittsburgh Steeler?

He's making 10 million guaranteed, 13.65 salary. Oh, is that it? Is that it? Yeah, 19 and a half maximum value with another 5.85 million in incentives. I assume that's team-based stuff. If you win, if we go do this, go into Super Bowl with, that team, I think they're thinking,

with one weapon like D.K. Metcalf, which they brought in for 30 million With one quarterback that can maybe operate this offense that Arthur Smith wants to be able to operate if we can keep TJ Watt which they're still gonna have to figure out we're a team that can contend We're above 500 with absolute crop on the offensive side of the ball if Aaron can come in here and Matriculate the ball down the field and eat up some clock make smart choices not have any Turnovers the Pittsburgh Steelers are dancing in the playoffs yet again And once they get into playoffs who knows especially with how good their defense is I assume that's how all of Pittsburgh feels

Let's go to one half of the hammer down Cowboys AP tone you guys excited that Aaron has officially announced that he's a Pittsburgh Steeler And what are your thoughts and expectations for the team because Just last week. I think you and many Steelers fans are saying who cares We're not going Super Bowl with or without him who cares has that changed at all Is there any sense of hope for a team going into an NFL season that maybe you can climb the top of the mountain? I'm glad you brought up last week and how you know us Jinsers and me in particular Have been acting the last couple months You know when the air news first came out

Months and months and goes that there was a chance that he would come to Pittsburgh Steelers I stood on the soapbox and said we need to get Aaron Rodgers He's much better option than just feels much better option than Russell Wilson and whoever else is out there And then came that lull period where you know We started questioning whether he was gonna come to Pittsburgh Steelers or not and we had to champion Mason Rudolph during those times and you know during those times maybe we did throw some shots at Aaron for squirting water guns on stage and and doing stuff like that and that was only because Pat you know this yeah we

did not he's saying we is Steelers fan oh sure sure Yinser's fan formal we just make it because he was going through stuff in his personal life He explained more on Joe Rogan He had two people in his inner circle that were going through cancer people that are around him on a regular basis depend upon him as Their employer that he felt obligated to attend and if you look back to last year with the Jets He was at all the voluntary stuff with the New York Jets all of it literally all of it. And then the mandatory OTA or mandatory mini camp weekend just so happened to come on June 12th, 2024, 6-12-24.

Now we do not know if the date has any reason for that, but he had to go to Egypt, a trip that he had planned in advance as a 40 year old. He planned this trip to Egypt a few years. I don't know if it was last year or something like that. Once in a lifetime. Yeah, so he said, he said it was a once in a lifetime trip to Egypt.

He misses mandatory minicamp. Was that everything? Literally for the first time in his career, since he was like a rookie, everything else missed that. It became this massive story of how selfish he was, how he didn't want to win, how he wasn't bought in, all the negative stuff came. So he approached this offseason from what he told us.

I know nothing other than what he said on our show. Just to clarify for everybody. What he said on our show was he didn't want it to be like last year. He was very upfront with everybody, said that he was not going to be able to attend the OTAs. He had the two people in his inner circle that were going through things. He's also, I think he had a couple other obligations that he set up for his schedule. So he was like, I don't want to sign with a team

and then have us go through exactly what we went through last year when I'm not going to be able to be there. So look for a decision to be made after OTAs. This one happens after voluntary OTAs, right before mandatory OTAs. Did not expect this to be the timeframe for him to do it. We thought he was going to do it in the summer, but before mandatory mini camp feels like the right move

for him and obviously a good thing for the Pittsburgh Steelers Yeah, it's absolutely perfect timing and you know as I know Being a man from Pittsburgh. We don't like to set ourselves up to be vulnerable So I think the the fan base as a whole was like, yeah, we don't want them Yeah, we don't want we don't need them But then you finally you realize your real feelings when it finally happens and I was honestly super pumped when he signed You know, I started looking into things in 2019. The Bucks were seven and nine Oh, and then they got Tom Brady the next year and won a Super Bowl. Okay, he was 43 years old

Peyton Manning the Broncos in 2011 they were eight Nate and then Peyton Manning comes over as a 40 year old He they won a Super Bowl. Okay, Aaron Rodgers a four-time MVP. He's 41 You know, he's 41. You know, he leaves the great Green Bay franchise, comes over to Steelers. Yeah, sure, there was two years of the Jets. They don't count, they're not a real franchise. So he comes over to a team that was 10 and seven last year

and he's 41 years old. I think the fan base is pumped and who says no? I'm thinking Super Bowl, baby. Okay, it's great to hear because I was bummed out for you guys. Yeah. Because if you, as a 10 and seven team last year, are thinking we can't win thinking Super Bowl. Okay. It's great to hear because I was bummed out for you guys Yeah, because if you as a 10 and 17 last year thinking we can't win the Super Bowl Who is allowed to think in the offseason that they could win a Super Bowl? I see Mason Rudolph doing all this stuff talking at rallies throwing out pitches

He's getting the boys together, you know, he's doing a lot of front-line first quarterback things. there's a new sheriff in town I think he understands that I think Aaron understands that and I think this was the Steelers plan all along Tomlin and Aaron have great respect for each other always Tomlin decided not to get any other quarterbacks I think out of a display of like hey we want you here how do you feel about it and what do you think inevitably huh you know I like it for the Steelers if I was a Steelers fan I may feel differently because now you are your true expectations to win the Super Bowl. Maybe if you're being super optimistic yeah but I mean it kind of sets you up to kind

of stand that quarterback purgatory because what's your plan beyond Aaron for the future but for this year he definitely gives you your best chance to win. Now the expectations when he went to the Jets, because they had that great defense on paper, he brought over some more weapons, they had great weapons already there. The expectation there was to, shit, Connor picked him to win the Super Bowl going into the season,

so those were the real expectations at that point. You talked about Brady, you talked about Manny, two anomalies, you know what I mean? And Aaron Rodgers will be on that Mount Rushmore quarterback's right there with him, but when you look at those teams and how they were built the Bucs had a really good defense Mike Evans Hall of Fame on offense Chris Godwin the Broncos couple great players on offense as well Hall of Fame level the Hall of Famers all over that defense

So that team was built for quarterback to come in and not really carry the team even though Tom Brady did get hot late So, um, can Aaron do it? He will always be able to spin the ball, absolutely. But I think it's a lot more building you still need for that still is to really go and compete. And it starts with the offense having some real weapons and then the defense showing up and showing, you know, why they are one of the most expensive defenses in the league.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, senior insider for NFL Network, a friend of the program, host of the weekly wrap up of the rap sheet and friends, us being the friends, he being Wrap Sheet. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rappaport. Hey! Rapp, what's going on, buddy? What's happening? How are you guys?

Hey, everything is great over here. We hope the same for you. Not as much pizzazz as a few weeks back. I'm worried. We're a little bit worried about the pizzazz. Yeah, yeah, you need to up... My personal pizzazz? Yes.

Low? It's been low. Aaron signed before you went on vacation. You should be happy. Yeah, let's say let's get right into it No, actually the the the signing was perfectly timed because I played golf in the morning and then it became clear in the afternoon I actually just hopped off the peloton and I was ready. So it was actually the timing was great for me Okay, so let's talk about the timing it is before the mandatory minicamp for the Pittsburgh Steelers Aaron Rodgers officially signs one year 10 million I don't know if you were one of the assholes that was reporting He was gonna want 40 million or something, but there's a lot of you guys. Well, sorry a lot of people in your Vane of existence that were saying that the reason why nobody was signing him is because the amount of money, the reason why he hadn't signed with the Steelers is because he was commanding and demanding a massive contract, especially with whatever people are making.

We reported very early in the process that that was not true. I think we even said 10 million bucks is about the number that it would probably take for Aaron. He's not looking to get rich. He just wants to look for another chance to win. I mean, he said it on this show, didn't he? Yes, and before he said it on the show, we reported that Source Sizz had told us something, but obviously nobody listened to us because we wear t-shirts and talk about sports better than they do. Now, with that being said, how long has this deal been the

framework? Has this been the offer since the beginning from the Steelers to Aaron? And why do you think Aaron chose this time to sign and what are the Steelers saying behind the scenes? Okay, we'll get to the offer first. The 10 million number made sense and like if you're going to sign a quarterback who has done what Aaron Rodgers has done and you on the open market, but it was different because it's not like he was like, all right, I'm going to the highest bidder. He's very selective, not that many teams from what I get the sense were in the mix because

he's not going to go to a team that doesn't have a chance. For instance, he's not going to go some team that's rebuilding, so it's actually very limited. The way you do a deal for a guy like Aaron Rodgers is you're kind of like What would it take for you to play like that's basically? how the Steelers would do it and like there's a really good history of really good veteran accomplished decorated quarterbacks in the Final let's say one or maybe two years of their career taking less Brady took less Peyton took less Elway took less All a lot of these guys do it to give the team, yeah that's another one, exactly right. And I know it hurt his agent Tom Conant, but like, this is what, you do it so the team can build around you. The Steelers aren't done building also, but like, this is sort of why you do it you take a low salary and you say I'm not doing this for the money and you kind of just hope the team loads up around you I would also say I always kind of weirdly got the sense that Rogers was uncomfortable making so much money I got it that sounds weird to say

maybe but like I kind of got the sense he didn't like how it felt to make so much. So like, this is probably something he's a little more comfortable with. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right, Ian, I think you're right. Good take, I like that. But I do think he was very comfortable with whatever team he was to go to next, whatever team it was to be after the Jets, even if it was the Jets. I think he went in there willing to restructure in the old conversation I think he exactly even when he was there he took a picket I think he wants a good team I think he wants another run I think that's what all these OGs want

which is why they're willing to take a little bit less let's stick with the Pittsburgh Steelers because we have to kind of roll here TJ Watt deal now next on deck is that kind of the idea here? Yeah, I don't get the sense it'll be immediate. These things take time. I don't know why, they just they always do. So yeah, I mean, this is, you know, something that is ongoing. You know, we'll see if he's there for mandatory mini camp. Rarely do players give up guaranteed, you know, give up money. Rarely do players take fines, but some do. So we might see a couple players stay away.

You know, there's a couple who hang in the balance. I mean, TJ Watt is one, Terry McLaurin is another. But yeah, I mean, this is the next big deal for the Steelers to do. I believe it's going to happen. I believe they'll get to a number that everyone can be happy with. It just hasn't happened yet while the Edge, my, that's such a great play, while the edge market is kind of a little bit in flux with Trey Hendrickson and Micah not done.

Like this is another one that we're kind of waiting on. Okay, so TJ, you bring up Terry McLaurin. He left OTAs, is that accurate? I believe he showed up in it. I'm not sure if he left or I don't know how much he was there to begin with, but I know he was not there for a lot of it. And I would say very showed up in it I'm not sure if he left or I don't know how much he was there to begin with but I know he was not there for A lot of it and I would say very much up in the air whether he shows up this week at a contract Situation that as of right now is not great. Okay, we'd love to have him back here in Indianapolis

He's an Indianapolis kid feels like this happens every couple years with Terry McLaurin and all he does is show up and deliver on The field you got Jayden Danios. You got Cliff Kingsbury. You had the magical you had last year. Let's assume they keep Terry around. Let's assume TJ stays with Pittsburgh Hopefully that starts expediting quickly. Let's talk about this secondary market now Jair Alexander gets released from the Green Bay Packers this morning You thought they were gonna potentially get a deal done thought it got quiet. It has not clearly they make the announcement the bird call Hey, we're gonna release Jair Alexander. Now this obviously means other teams can put together some trade proposals here in the next four hours or so to maybe steal him from getting released and take a trade.

But with him, Jalen Ramsey, Stephon Gilmore, there's a lot in the DB room still available. What do you think is next for Jair? Yeah you're right, I was a little surprised because he's really talented. He's like not a bad guy. Like there's no like, you know, it's, he's a little bit different and really hilarious, honestly, but not a bad guy. It just really what the Packers tried to do a deal before the draft. I know they did. Couldn't come, couldn't come up with a team that wanted to pay $15.3 million for

Jair Alexander. Offered him a restructured deal, which I believe was a pay cut. And he just never really dug in on that. And I think, you know, sort of part of the thought was like, if it's not going to be Green Bay, let me pick. Let me go find a place. He's going to make some money. He's going to make some some real money He's made some in the past, but let me pick I mean he's 28 He's a pro bow caliber player with sick ball skills like these guys are not often available So I think he's gonna have a real market It might you know might be before training camp or he might decide to wait a little bit because he's in no hurry But it's rare that these guys are actually on the market got it is he healthy

Yes, I believe he is healthy last year and did not great, but I believe is and has been healthy yes, okay Phenomenal player everything rap sheet says last four seasons only one season with over 600 snaps, so that's the thing That's the thing yeah for sure probably be an incentive laden sure it's a probably be a great set to laden contract But he is he's worth taking a shot off for sure Yeah, absolutely come to Indianapolis brother We'd love to see you and we'll make you captain when you're playing back in your hometown whenever ever forget it Chubb going to Houston Texans. Is there anything else in the NFL world that we've missed? That's a huge signing Chubb going Anywhere is a big deal if he's anywhere near what he was yeah this is a massive

get for the Houston Texans is there any other signing that or any other things happening around the NFL we've missed first I like this one yeah me I hate it we'll see how much he has left if he's close to what he was I mean look look if he's close to what he was him I mean look, look, if he's close to what he was, him and Joe Mixon are going to be an insanely physical duo. The only thing I would say that you guys missed, so I like this sign and it should be official today, I believe he's going to pass the physical, the only thing you guys missed was David Chang, the respected chef and personality was on Good Morning Football this week, named his five best NFL cities with regards to their best sandwiches.

Okay. And left out Pittsburgh. Yeah, so he sucks. That's what I heard. That guy sucks. I mean, Pittsburgh to me is top three sandwich place in the country. Top three? We are a sandwich city.

That is literally what we are. Literally. Tier one. Why is this guy on television talking about sports if he doesn't even know how to talk about fucking food? This guy's a chef? He is a celebrity chef, yeah. What's his name?

David Chang. Mama Bo Ku, he's great. Hey David Chang, shut the fuck up. How about that? Yeah, I'm at the point now where I don't care about any of these fucking bums. I don't care about it. Who is the commentators for TST? What are these dudes name? Hercules Gomez and Sebastian Salazar

I'm bombs get them off microphones John Mellencamp bomb get them off microphone this guy bomb get them off television Be a friend tell a friend something nice. It might change their life Sometimes you're gonna say the right thing. And last one here, Jermaine Pratt. Jermaine Pratt, Tom Pelicero literally just reported while we were live. Captain of the Bengals, top 10 tackler for the Bengals last year has been released by the Cincinnati Bengals.

I have no idea how much money he's making, but are they trying to make a move here to get money for Trey Hendrickson? Or is this just them trying to shape up their roster, you think? Ian Rappaport. Well, first of all, you always say like, come to Indy. This guy might actually come to Indy. I mean, Lulana Rumos, Indy defensive coordinator, this was one of his favorites.

This actually does make a lot of sense for Jermaine Pratt to land in Indy, so I'll say that. Yes, this is good news for Trey Hendrickson. They got mandatory mini camp. We'll see if they're able to get a deal done. I know they want to. This does free up some cash. Things do not exist in a vacuum.

We'll see if it ends up in a deal for Trey. It saves $5.6 million for the Cincinnati Bengals so every dollar counts especially when you're trying to sign a big money sack king in Trey Hendrickson if that is still whenever you're trying to sign a big money sack king in trey hendrickson if that is still what they're trying to do we appreciate the hell out of you ian you are not a bum like chef chang let's go chef chang is great by the way mama focu is awesome and they have great sandwiches there okay bye yeah i'll never eat there uh he's been on good morning football more than uh more than darien no d but yeah football more than more than Derek no D but you brought I've ever been on good morning football okay it's good show though I mean Emmy award-winning they

got a chef that doesn't know fucking sandwiches on you talk about football that sounds interesting to me to be clear chef Chang I don't know anything about you but I know you don't know shit okay ladies and gentlemen, you're a report Why do you do that? I don't know it's on Monday. We got a long week ahead of us You know exactly there was no reason is there anything else around the NFL world? Oh, yeah Your hometown sucks. Yeah, you know what you guys are known for Yeah, I thought yeah, I thought it was a big deal like oh sweet we missed something like there's gonna be something to talk about and said chef Chang. Why is this guy on TV? What is that? So I'm fucking one of the food networks got shit all day. Yeah chop have him say dumb stuff over there Why is he saying dumb stuff on football? We don't need that talking about Pittsburgh not being a top five sandwich in the NFL

That's only 32. I was gonna say I'm sorry 30 cities. Yeah, cuz. 30 cities. Yeah. Because there's multiples. Yeah, New York and LA. Oh true. 30 out of 30 cities. Not every city in the world. 30 cities in the United States of America. What was his list? Yeah. You guys have a public pubs up. You mean the grocery store? I'm not... listen your gas station subs are nowhere near sheets. Like I... which was... I don't even want to get into this but like our gas station sandwiches are better than Chef Chang's top five list if I had to. This pisses me... I don't need to see it. How about that?

I don't need to see Chef Chang ever again. Not that I ever ever have I've no I he was the one he was lower right corner Mm-hmm. Yes lower right corner on good morning football. Exactly. It no sound should have been turning it up need to listen to chef anymore This piece of shit I want to see the list too. You're telling me he's had Rudy subs Has he had Rudy subs now? I think is the expert on saying New York this is an order from five to one New York Chicago New Orleans Los Angeles I'm sorry Philadelphia to Los Angeles at one Los Angeles Los Angeles is the number one sandwich Hmm not right now. Tell you that much

Hey guess what, guess what I'm not doing? Going to LA to grab a sandwich right now. I was in LA on Saturday. Yeah. I was in Los Angeles on Saturday. A lot going on. Right down the road down there, if you are south San Diego, ooh raw. Raw. Okay. I'm not gonna say what Parris Island people call the people that come from that particular base or boot camp or Everything like that because I'm nowhere near as tough as the people that come from either of those places there But there's two entry points. I do believe you know into the Marines one of them real close to everything that's going on right there Marines first the fight. I do believe I don't know if anybody in LA once simplified to be walking up those streets for it. I don't just something to oh my gosh.

What going on? We hope everybody gets figured out. I put out a tweet this morning like it's a positive day. Let's have a good day. It's hard after Chef Chang does this. You didn't know that curveball is coming. I put out a tweet like, let's have a good day. Let's have a good day had a bunch of people tell me It's hard. Have a good day with everything going on in LA. It's like, okay. Well, I wish I could help Okay, I can't I think this one's out of my control. I think so, but good luck to all parties We hope whoever wants to get it right gets it right and everybody's Don't get it figured out. Yeah. Don't get it figured out.

Those people who are down in the dumps, you should tell them like, hey well, you know Chef Chang ranked LA number one city in the country. Yeah, go find a sandwich. Yeah, go grab them. Maybe that's what they need over there. Just eat some sandwiches over there. Call them everybody down there. Taste buds will be so jacked up.

Pull up a bunch of food trucks and just... Joining us now ladies and gentlemen, 13 year, we do hope everybody's, but there's a lot going on over there That one's a lot algorithm a lot of those. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I think everybody's kind of living in that right now I saw some people say it's peaceful Yeah, joining us now ladies and gentlemen 13 year NBA vet Co-host of the knuckleheads podcast ladies and gentlemen friend of the program Quentin Richardson How you doing boss, I'm good.. You rich. How you doing, boss?

I'm good, I'm good. How you fellas doing, man? After last night, how's everybody doing in the Thunderdome? Well, I'll tell you what, West Virginia lost to LSU. Okay, West Virginia lost to LSU. Conkaifa loses to Pumbaa's to Alabama. Yeah. Bad way, bad way.

Pacers lose to Oklahoma City, not good. That was yesterday. Then this morning I wake up and I hear Chef Chang says that Pittsburgh isn't a top five sandwich city in the NFL. It's been a rough couple, it's been a rough go here. Okay, Q Rich, but we'll talk about- I feel pretty good about hearing Chicago was in there. I don't know who this Chef Chang guy is.

I mean, from the sounds of it, he's not a real good guy up in this room right now. So I'm not gonna, I mean, I did approve of him having Chicago in there though. Yeah, sounds like you're a big fan, all the big cities. This guy's got a big city appeal, you know? I'll say he's got pandering taste buds, I like that. I like a good pandering taste bud that Chef Chang has.

He never had Rudy's subs in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He never had a whole Italian hot lettuce on you may Oh, let me get some fries on the side with some cheese, please and a Turner's tea on the side also from Pittsburgh I know chef Chang's never had that. Okay. Well in permittees, I'm sure he's maybe seen one sure Oh, I got the camera. I don't like the phrase on my Sam. Shut up Never had a Raffles burger Donna pepe's ever in his fucking life this guy let's move along let's talk about sports ian rappaport should not have done what he did now that was like five minutes into the show yeah it was distasteful he knew what he was doing speaking of distasteful chef

chang that's son of a let's talk basketball please can we can we talk basketball let's do it of a let's talk basketball please can we can we talk basketball let's do it that was everything you guys wanted huh what happened last night everything that everybody wanted to happen to the indiana pacers happened last night the oklahoma city thunder on the defensive side dominant on the offensive side magical pacers were never able to really get going it was like a 20 point game forever seemingly at the end you know got, got down into the teens, but they continued to answer, put their foot down on the Indiana Pacers because of what has already happened in this series and what they have seen the Pacers do throughout the entire playoff run. This is the Oklahoma City team that everybody was expecting. This was how everybody

thought this series was gonna go. Q Rich, or what is your takeaway? My takeaway is like, like I gotta say this, I don't have a horse in the race. So I'm just here to see good basketball. I want the series to go as long as it can, as far as it can go, just cause I know after that we're going to be dead with basketball is going to be no hoop for a minute, so I don't, I'm, I'm dreading that, but if you look at what the OKC thunder have done after they have lost a game this year, the writing was all on the wall for this to be a 15 to 20 point blowout.

I said that yesterday, I was on SportsCenter and I said that and Hanna was like, whoa, I'm like, but like if you look at the evidence they've given, when they lose a game, first of all, they hadn't lost the game two games back to back since like 24 sometime, sometime in 2024. But the game this year, when they lose, you go look at the game they play after they lose they average like 25 30 point blowout games every time after they lose a game So this the writing was on the wall for this and then just the way that that first game happened They should have really finished the game

They just didn't do it that they were already in that position to do the same thing game one So I knew being in their home building, they would have that confidence to come back and get it done last night. Their building is awesome. And I'll tell you watching them answer every single time, like knee Smith would hit a three and it's like, here we go. This is a exactly what we needed. Then the next time down somebody in Oklahoma city would do something

ridiculous, put the fire out. And then that crowd never really let it go either. They were a huge part of the momentum just continuing. They were relentless and they won one at home. Congratulations to them. Let's talk about a guy who has voted the most overrated player in the league this season by his peers allegedly. Go ahead, Tone.

Yeah, Q, there was a lot of talk this morning about that Tyrese needs to maybe be more aggressive and look to score more like Is that something you think he can do or should do or just who he is to be more of a facilitator? But like in or in the finals, do you think he needs to look to be more of a score? Yeah, I agree that he does need to look to be more of a score because his team needs that but I think I think You know the whole conversation around him is kind of taken out of context man They you can't ask somebody to be something they're not yes He has the ultimate clutch Dean when they get into the clutch moment

We've seen him time and time again hit the game winning shot or a meaningful shot down the stretch And he has that ability to do that, but if you look at what he's done. He's averaging 18.6 points Asking him to be this high volume scoreorer, that's not who he's been. He's a past first player, but yes, he can score, but he's not your guy. He's not Steph Curry who's averaging 30 something points or close to 30 and shooting all the shots and things like that for his team. He's a guy that uses his teammates. He makes his teammates better. He puts them in position to score and do things this year Pascal Siakam was the all-star. He was the leading scorer for the team. He was the Eastern Conference Finals MVP

So because Hallie Burton has made these shots and everybody wants him to be something He's not just because he hits game winners and things like that doesn't mean that he has to go out to average 30 points He's more of a Steve Nash type player than a Steph Curry He's a passer that gets everybody else going and makes everybody else better. So I feel like because he's made these game winning shots, that people have taken it out of context. Everybody wants to say, is he a superstar, is he not? Like to me, when I was playing in the league,

when we played, we looked around at guys and we said, okay, are you an all star? Are you all NBA? Do you make the Olympic team? Do you got a max contract? That's what matters like if he got he's got a super max contract He's one of the best players on his team his teammates love playing with him. He makes everybody's better He's the extension of his coach. He does what he's supposed to do on the out there on the court He delivers for his team. I don't really care about who's a superstar not like. Like in my mind, I got a max deal.

I'm playing, I'm a starter. I help my team. He made the All-Star last year. He didn't make it this year, but he was an Olympian. Like these are all of the benchmarks to be a superstar. You see what I'm saying? So like, if y'all don't want to call me that, that's fine. I got the check that says so.

I play like it. And so that's all that matters to me. My, my like, like you said, the disrespect from the peers with the overrated, I showed them what I thought of that. If you go through the entire playoff run here, Kay against the Bucks, game winner against Giannis literally right in front of his dad. Cleveland, game winner, this one.

New York Knicks, this one. And then game one in Oklahoma City, game winner to win a finals game with like point three left in the thing. It's like the amount of moments that this dude has had and created through just this playoff, like kind of run alone is enough for an entire career, let alone what's happening right now. He's, hey, he's stone cold. This guy is cold blooded. You know, because he laughs a lot. He's kind of a nerd. He's got moxie. He's got swagger, but whenever push comes to shove He is a killer. We saw it in here. Yeah, we were up on him. You remember Foxy We were killing him me and Foxy were up on him in our shooting game

We got her which we need you to come put which I fear you are gonna be very good too good Yeah, I might have to change rules for you like we did for Tyrese. Me and Foxy were up on him and Connor though in the shooting game. And then all of a sudden it was just like one little flip of the switch happened. The only way to win is he had to make every single shot.

And he did. He made 20 straight NBA threes. With us chirping at him. And none of them touched the rim. And it was like, oh, this guy is one of those guys This is one of those guys and he's been able to prove it I'm happy for him still so young tough series because they got a lot of guys on the other side I can you know bop the wood yeah as Q you understand Connor has a question for you. Yeah Q Rich

I hope you know to his nickname isn't the moment okay for Halliburton We all know what his nickname is it has some negative connotations, but the photoshopped are too good and Twitter has already deemed his name which I think we all respect. Looking at last night's game though Q Rich, you got to respect the player. The bench for the Thunder kind of were the stars. Wiggins and Caruso they both have 20 plus. Are you kind of counting this game as the OKC bench game? Obviously SGA had 34 points, but when you look at the sports books, his over-under was actually 34 and a half, so thanks a lot for all those over-betters like myself. But are you looking at this as a bench game? Do you think now the Pacers have enough on the bench when you're looking at OKC and they're getting you know

4050 plus points from their bench. I Mean, this is who they are though, man. This is this is why you know when they were playing Minnesota I was saying that their bench did the depth of their team and this is this is this is why they had the record They had the you know in the best record in the NBA Wiggins has scored 43 points this season. He's gotten gotten off and went crazy so this isn't new and this is a guy that got in last night he hadn't played in a couple games before from the last series and in the beginning of this series and he got out there and got to the money he was

out there hitting step back threes and everything not just catching shoes but this shows how deep they are and how much of a team they are they like you got guys sitting over there that's probably chopping at the bit to get in the game, but they're not showing it, you know what I'm saying? In a negative way. Once he got a chance to get out there and play, he balled out. Teammates gave him the ball, supported him. It wasn't like, hey, he's not supposed to be doing this.

It's like whoever's going crazy, they let go crazy. And I think that's an attribute of a great team. You know, when they got depth like that and they could bring a guy in who hadn't played and he comes in and looks like he should be six man or something and he plays that well offensively and defensively so I think this is just, you know, who OKC is as a team, they're very deep and they're very talented.

Kruiser needs to chill out. He needs to chill out, Scott needs to relax. He is a dog. Hembo sent me a stat, I didn't want to say it because, you know, I didn't want to, I just didn't want to chill out. He needs to relax. Hemba sent me a stat. I didn't want to say it because you know, I didn't want to, I just didn't want to do it. Although Caruso is our guy too. It's kind of a tough thing to say.

Alex Caruso defended Tyrese Halliburton on 10 half court matchups yesterday. Halle didn't score. And Eddoh won 3 assists to turnover ratio. Hey Caruso, fucking relax. Seriously. Okay, everybody needs, everybody needs a real,

all right, let's move. Let's move along here. Last question about the series, go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Keurich, so far, who do you think the coaching advantage would go to? Everyone's been talking about Dagonel all year and then, you know, after game one, there was a lot of like, hey, the moment may have gotten

to this guy, he wasn't ready for it, and he kind of like, hey, the moment may have gotten to this guy, he wasn't ready for it, and he kind of made several mistakes down the stretch. Obviously everyone's been giving Carlisle their flowers thus far, but at this point, one-one, who do you think has the advantage so far through the first two games, and who do you like in terms of X's and O's coaching for the rest of the series?

My opinion, man, I think Dagnote is a great coach. He's a young coach. He's growing and he's trying to get his first championship and become a great known as a great coach. But I think the coaching matchup, that's Rick Carlisle, man. He's a Hall of Famer. He's a championship coach. He's been one of the better coaches for a long, long time in his league.

But I mean, that's no disrespect to Dagno. I think he would even know that, that Carlisle is, it would be seen as the superior coach between the two of them in this series. But I mean, that still doesn't mean anything between, Dagno, his team can still win the championship and win the finals. So that's just the way it is. Carlisle is the beast, man. He's one of the best to do it.

I think when he's all said and done, he's gonna go down as one of the best coaches ever too. One with the Mavs, then he helped build the Pistons, right? Then he just kicked them out of town. Then he gets one the next year. Exactly, yes. And then now he's been with the Pacers, he's built the culture each year.

You see him like kind of building it in there. He's perfect for us here, loves it. Cause in 49 other states, it's just basketball. You heard him as soon as they won the Eastern Conference finals, he loved being here. Yeah, yeah, it as they won the Eastern Conference Finals. He loved me. Yeah, yeah, it was awesome. It was a great promo. It was a great Indiana promo.

Like as he was saying it, I was like- Yes, do that. This is exactly what you should be doing in this exact moment. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, that MAF Championship too. I forget there's a video going a little further back. And that championship they won is basically the greatest run of any team ever. They played Hall of Fame teams in every single round. They beat them all and then it was the

Heedles. I'll tell you what, Carlisle will run them. Carlisle will have the boys running. It seems like that might be a little bit of in question with the way Tyrese Halliburton walked in that press conference. He might be tired. He might be tired. Like Team USA soccer? No, Team USA soccer isn't tired. They're ass. Okay, that's a little bit different. Ty Reese is not Ty Rass. He'll be out.

Okay, he's- He got two days, man. That's just the, you know, that's a hard fought game. That shows, like you say, Caruso, all the different guys all up on them, fighting through it all game. Like you walk out of their store after that, after a game like that.

Yeah, the Dorcher chamber, okay? Caruso chamber. I get it. You know, all these things that- Dord, Luke Dord is a unit. Have y'all seen him in real life? Like in person, like to see him, you go to the game, watch when you see him in person.

This dude is a big dude, man. I saw him in Montreal when they played the Pistons I was like I was standing court side me and Richard Hamilton I say bro look at this dude he's so fast too Q he's moving he moving too quick I won't say fast cuz I don't know how fast he is quick he's ability to get body in front and then work through screen it's like he is a problem Lou Thorpe is a problem yeah that is something needs to get Lou sorted before game three. I'm sure Coach Carlisle will have it figured out. Last question here for you, Q Rich, comes from

D Budge. Yeah, we had a lot going on this weekend in SportsCube. It's something that caught my attention. One on one, two former NBA players, Lance Stevenson, Michael Beasley, not only game play, but Beasley was cutting some interesting promos. What do you mean interesting? Just very, very interesting. But I wanna know over your 13 year career,

any great, I guess, post-practice one-on-one stories, number one, and then secondly, any dream matchups of two active players right now that you would like to see go at one-on-one? No real crazy stories from one on ones when we play. I mean, it would happen, but nothing really crazy to tell. But I guess a dream matchup in the league that I would like to see of guys would be, let me see.

SGA. I would like Kyrie. SGA. Katie Brown. Let me see SGA and Kyrie go at it. Let me see that match up, because like, listen, people don't understand how magical Kyrie is. This man here, I don't, listen,

I don't know that there's anybody on the planet that could guard him one-on-one. If they play the king of the hill, I don't know if anybody could stop him. I didn't create this, so I don't wanna act like I did, know if anybody could stop him. I Didn't create this so I don't want to act like I did But somebody has been on the record of stating that if Kyrie was to be dropped back in like way back They would burn him for being a witch With a bad like this guy's got to be a wizard of some sort with what he's able to accomplish

They were saying the same thing about Beasley though. People are saying like Beasley one-on-one Problematic just like koozie. Yeah, he can't you can't stop these I play I play my one year in Miami he's able to accomplish. They were saying the same thing about Beasley though. People were saying like Beasley one-on-one problematic. Just like Kuzy. Yeah, you can't stop Beas. I played my one year in Miami with Beas. That was Beas' second year and he was the same then. Playing every day after practice, whoever wanna play. And like, he literally like, I truly think if the,

he got drafted to the wrong team. He couldn't, he wasn't for that structure. He couldn't, you know what I'm saying? That kind of, that stunted his growth because he needed to go somewhere where he could just be him and just not have like, you know, some of the teams don't have the same structure. The heat is straight up and down like six o'clock.

You're not gonna do certain stuff here. And if you do, you're gonna lose, you know, things are gonna happen. You're gonna get fined. You're gonna, you know what I'm saying? You're gonna be in a bad, bad spot. But there are teams in the league where the standards aren't that high and he could have went in there and he would have been averaging 25

and getting busy and would have been a toast at the time. I'm telling you, you asked some of the, you asked some people to play with him. He would have went to a different situation where they just gave him the ball and said, go crazy. He'd have been averaging about 25, 26 points. We'll never know. Now hopefully it's just more one-on-ones where he's cutting interesting promos to say the least. Straight up in Don, like six o'clock is a

great bar. I appreciate the hell out of you ladies and gentlemen. 13-year NBA vet Quinton Richardson. From the NBA let's go to the NFL. Ladies and gentlemen joining us now is one of the most legendary humans in the history of football. He's a national champion. He's now a man who's in legendary humans in the history of football. He's a national champion. He's now a man who's in charge with leading the Los Angeles Chargers. Ladies and gentlemen, everything that's right with ball, Coach Jim Horrible.

Yeah! Oh, Coach! How you doing? Good to see you. Good to see you, Coach. High five, high five, high five. Yep. Bam. Got it over here.

Oh yeah. Boom. Happy to see that still standing. Obviously that was a gift from us built by Tim McAfee that we delivered to Coach Harbaugh when we took a visit to our beautiful facility. Let's talk about that. How is the facility? OTAs? How's it to have all the boys back in there? What's it feel like this year's team versus last year's team? What's the mindset of this time of year for you, coach? Yeah, it's all training. It's all training right now.

You know, super, super excited for what's been done to this point. I mean, I got to tell you, I mean, just listen to the interview with Q there. I mean, I've to tell you, I mean, just listen to the interview with Q there. I mean, I've got no insight for you. I've got the, we're in training mode. We're in trying to get better today, be better today than we were yesterday, be better tomorrow than we were today. That was a great interview. You guys are up there demonstrating.

You got some real insight going there. Thank you. We try to be an additive to society. Every once in a while, We are certainly a drawback. Uh whenever you decide to stop being the constable football guy you on TV every day would be a gift from the gods. But since we do have a conversation with you here, it's every year starting back at the bottom of the hill like is that how you do it is that so like first team meeting. It's like

reestablishing culture, reestablishing expectations. Does that all happen again during these off season times? Yeah, and that's driven by the players. I mean, if I looked at our top guys who train, I mean, the elite eight guys on our team team that would be Justin Herbert, Derwin James, Khalil Mack, Tule, Zion Johnson, it would be Lad, it would be Joe Ault, Rashad Slater. I mean, that's no disrespect to the other guys that are training at a great and high level, but I mean those guys are elite.

And they train, here's how Derwin does it, how Khalil does it, how Justin Herbert, they do it. They train in the offseason like they've accomplished nothing. Therefore, when they get to the season, they can be that guy. And that's how it's led. And then the rest of us, we just, I mean, we're feeling guilty if these great players can train the way they do and give it the kind of effort they give it in the off season when nobody's looking. You feel guilty if you don't do the exact same thing or attempt to do it at that level. When your best players have your best work ethic, that's when you have your best teams,

it feels like you guys have that over there. Let's talk about the young guys that have come into your building, the rookies. What are you looking for whenever they get into the building? Is the judgment period or evaluation period over, now you're trying to build them up, or how do you kind of view the rookies in their first off season? Well, looking for humble and hungry, guys that want to make us better. And it's been a really good off season for that, including the draft. But then you get to see them, you get to work with them, you get to be in the meetings with them.

You get to work with them, you get to be in the meetings with them, you get to see them train and Lad doesn't like this, Joe doesn't like this, Joe All I'm saying, I mean nobody, it's going to be tough for anybody to be better than Joe All or Lad McConkey. But as a group, as a total, you know, all like 30 rookies, I mean these guys have really been about their business. And I've got to say, you know, just really pleased with the way they're handling their business and the way they're attacking each and every day. If you're coming into a Coach Herb

and a Coach Jim Harbaugh building, I think everybody kind of understands what is expected every single day. You mentioned Joe Alt there and Lad McConkey saying, these guys aren't going to like this, but they are unbelievable. You know what else Joe Alt is? we saw day one of him getting to your facility huge tone has a question for you coach yeah coach Joe is huge you

bring in Mackay Bekton he's huge you bring in Najee Harris he's big Omarion Hampton's big you have big wide receivers you bring in bud to pre and Khalil Mack those guys are huge set in the edge you talk Derwin's a big safety is that all on purpose like it when you guys are bringing people in the edge. You talk, Derwin's a big safety. Is that all on purpose? Like when you guys are bringing people in and you look at your team, is it on purpose to potentially have the biggest team in the NFL? We started visioning what the right side of the line would look like if we had Joe Alt there and added Mackay back then. And it looks great. I'm gonna to give a little secret away here.

I think we're going to be a right handed team. Mackay Bechtin with what credit rebirth of his career moving into guard. How has that been alongside Joe Walt? And whenever you say what you're imagining with the team, whenever you guys are talking about this, Horty, you and Hortys are talking about what the team could be. Then when you see him on the field, is it like, yeah, this is exactly what we were dreaming about whenever it comes to the Los Angeles Chargers in 2026, 2025?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely that vision is looking good. I mean, it looks good right now. And just trying to add to it every day. I think I mean Greg Roman you know there's a lot of a lot of a lot of people that want to talk finesse they want to talk they want to talk you know out trick them that kind of thing. Been around Greg Roman a long time been around Ben Herbert a long time, you know, that strong, strong wins.

And Gregg talks about it like, yeah, we want to be, we want to have tendencies, you know, we want to be predictable. And then we use that those tendencies and that predictability to our advantage. But you know, this, just, you know, the things about football that I know that you know, this just, uh, you know, the, the things about football that I know that you appreciate, uh, you know, that's, that's what we're striving for here. And we're going to have to, I mean, we've got to be better. I think we will be better, uh, but we're going to have to be better. Cause, uh, I mean, the NFL is dog eat dog and, uh, and, and no more competitive than

it is in our division than the, in the AFC West. I love hearing you say, you know, a lot of people say you got to finesse them and in the back of your mind, we ain't what are we? This is what football is. This is what football is. I'll tell you a great story. My dad played at Bowling Green and played for Deut Perry, legendary coach. And he said it this way once.

My dad said they were there were he was also coaching for Deut at Bowling Green and they were having a discussion and they had a coach that came in and he said, this is how you do football now. We're talking like late 1960s, early 1970s. You go, it's more of a finesse game now. And Dewey Perry said, I'll show you how to finesse somebody. And that's to knock another man on his rear end. That's the only finesse that I understand when it comes to football.

So, said it a little more colorful. My dad, get my dad on the show, he'll tell that story a little bit better. But, you know, I think you get the point there. I mean, that's strong wins in football. Yes it does, always has, always will, and I do think it does get forgotten. I did not know in the 1960s they were pushing a narrative of not being a physical football team. Now we know it's just kind of all the time. It feels like it's all the time it's going to be like that. Let's's go back you talk about the AFC West and then you mentioned Coach Roman let's go Connor has a question for you coach

Yeah, coach go back to your San Francisco days you and Pete Carroll and the Seattle Seahawks had a pretty good rivalry And now you know, he's kind of following you around a little bit. It feels like Joining the Raiders How does that feel kind of being that familiar with a guy kind of knowing how the Raiders are gonna does that feel? Kind of being that familiar with the guy, kind of knowing how the Raiders are going to be set up because of your familiarity with Pete Carroll and have you texted him like, hey we don't have to be in the same division you can coach for a different team? Well we are and we're playing them game two and we just what we know about them we know they're gonna be good and you know Chief Chiefs week one Raiders week two

Broncos week three so we know we're gonna find out where we stand in that competitive division you know right off right off the bat so you know it's coming we know it's coming so so get ready for it I mean let's prepare Let's make today Let's make it a great day Let's see if we can be better today than we were yesterday and be better tomorrow than we are today So many Hall of Famers over there. It's insane I cannot wait to watch you guys do battle shout to the NFL schedule makers first three weeks. You got them all You know, it's all you can eat buffet over there for the AFC West It's good for us. Obviously a lot of very meaningful games early for all parties over there. D-Bud has a question for you.

Yeah, coach, I just want to ask you about some early impressions of some of the new guys. Tone already mentioned Nas Harris, but Amarion Hampton, you got up there at the top of the draft. And then Trey Lance, been a backup quarterback. We had Big Mike McCarthy, and we asked him, and he was very impressed with him in Dallas last year. What's your thoughts on those guys early on?

Yeah, well, Amarion Hampton, I mean, mean talk about what we're looking for out of the young guys I mean people are gonna help us And are humble and hungry Amarians that you know what I like about him the best is is he he's just he's really put together He is trained and you know, he just looks NFL ready Love how he hits a hole. I know we're just in In shorts and no pads yet, but you know, I know that that personality because I've seen it on tape You know from him so many other guys Trey Harris. I mean we added a lot of firepower to the offense

Been really impressed with theranda Gatson. Kyle Canard who was the SEC defensive player of the year. Jamar Caldwell, I mean, I think he's training. He's making Ben Herbert his best friend. That was like day one. Hey Jamari, your best friend should be Ben Herbert. You know, he's going about it that way. So you mentioned Trey Lance.

I mean, and Mike McCarthy, Mike McCarthy actually got that message to us, to me, and appreciate him for that. Really excited about Trey. And yeah, we're just training in a role right now, Pat. Before we let you go, we can't thank you enough for taking time here in the middle of the offseason. As somebody that I know or I assume you care about immensely,

Mr. Ursay passed away last week. Any thoughts when you got that message? What was your first feelings and what was it like with your time here at the Colts? Obviously, you're beloved here still. Just it Jimmy passed away, it just took my breath away. It really did. And then you just go back and then all the thoughts and memories just start kind of flowing through your mind. It's just a great, great, great, great guy.

I mean, guys guy. I mean, he would get in the weight room. I mean, he would get in the weight room. I mean, he would get under the bar. I mean, he would, he would deadlift. He would bench. You know, he was, and then there's just a great vibe about him. You know, you can play the guitar. He's a people person. You know, one of the, one of the, one of the real greats great but the thing you loved about him as a player and I I played and he was he was the he was the owner I mean he would get right there in the weight room with you and the chalk

would be flying in the end and the the iron clank it and you're like this is my kind of guy right here you He's one of us. I mean, nothing but love for Jim Hersey and the entire Hersey family. Hell yeah. And I know they send the same thing back to you coach. You're the best. Enjoy it all.

Tell everybody we said hello over there. Thank you. Appreciate it. Ladies and gentlemen, coach Jim Harbaugh. Hey. He's in a ring of honor. Oh yeah. Jim Harbaugh is in a ring of honor here in Indianapolis.

So obviously he's very much appreciated. You know who's not much appreciated? Who? Chef Chang. Not at all. I didn't know those guys existed before this morning. What about Indianapolis sandwiches?

That's good sandwiches around here too. Yeah, the Boston. You kidding me? I heard the list was rigged. Yeah, there's some people saying it was a little biased voting maybe by Chef Chang. We have not done our research and we'll not get into that yet. No.

Okay. They're saying maybe though. Nope, not getting into it. Indianapolis sandwiches? Oh, dude. Come on, you ever had pork tenderloin? Yeah, Subway. Yeah, you never.

Watch it. There's a bunch of Subways around here. They're pretty good. Jersey Mike's also here. Yeah, yeah, also good. Yes, there's a lot of chains here. But have you ever had a pork tenderloin from Dianair Everywhere chicken parm sandwich from Bouga de Bevo that is very good, and you can get that here change your life What's that deadly the big one steak and shake?

I'm forgetting. Oh Thanks, Foxy Shapiro's Oh, thanks Foxy. I'm gonna wear. Shapiros? Boom. You get a great deli meat sandwich. Like that's an indie thing? It's not Ben's Tony. What you're thinking of.

We'll be back on the other side. We will still hate Chef Chang Dan. But we got a lot of stuff coming for you I think. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice about changing life. about change your life. Sports are the greatest. We're so incredibly lucky that we get a chance to chit chat about them every single day. It's not just me, obviously. The toxic tables here at Boston Connor and at Tash Schmidt. I see that eagle howling on your chest, brother man.

Yeah, I got the eagle. You know, it's a Navy little tarp here. I figured, you know, I thought we'd talk a little you know Marine Corps, maybe Navy Maybe just kind of go over the branches just kind of dive into that type of stuff today, too Cuz I saw on your desk. There's a little campaign cap Well, this is from the Charlie Company down there Parris Island obviously incredibly honored to You got a campaign cap here? Well, this is from the Charlie Company down there at Parris Island.

Obviously incredibly honored to have received this, but also get a chance to hang out with them for about 36 hours. Woo. Thursday night all the way through Saturday afternoon, or Saturday mid morning, felt like afternoon. They wake up early over there. Sure.

Yeah, yeah, they do the military time, you know? And I'll tell you what, I hadn't seen 0300 in a long time. Yeah, sure. Okay, I had seen, wow, it's 3 a.m. already. On the other side, I hadn't seen 0300 we're starting the entire day, but I had an opportunity to hang out with maybe the baddest motherfuckers on earth,

the Marine drill instructors, especially down there at Parris Island, once again, not taking a shot at anybody out of San Diego. But if I was to echo the sentiment from a lot of people that were down there, I think we do potentially take a little bit of a shot over there. Hollywood is close to that particular world. It was an honor to learn everything I possibly could about the life of a drill instructor, the job of a drill instructor, and the culture of the Marines. There's the yellow footprints that basically every single Marine recruit starts on. And then you go through the silver hatch, which is exactly where I was standing in front of that door.

And then you go through there. I did not, I went around. Sure. They did have me go through what a recruits life is like from the yellow foot from the car, from the bus is what they arrive on. I was in a minivan, very comfortable minivan, had air conditioning on. I don't think everybody else has that.

And they let me know that that was certainly the case. You go through the yellow footprints, then through the silver hatch, then you go into the silver chairs on the inside. And then that is where you're basically 18, 19 years old. You signed up to join the Marines. And here we go, bootcamp has begun. There's a phone bank right over there.

If behind the drill instructor's back on the far side, where you get your phone call that you have arrived at boot camp and there is a script for you to read. And you basically say, this is recruit. And then it says name here. I have safely arrived at Paris Island. And while you're saying all those things there are three drill instructors saying

Shut up, and then you hang up and you're back in there Yeah, and then it is the the building of a marine, you know everywhere you look around Parris Island It says we make Marines we make Marines we make Marines and they take a lot of pride in that and there has not been a lot of change in that and there has not been a lot of change over the decades in Generations of those who have had to come through Paris Island or got to come through Paris Island to become a Marine and go on and serve our Country first the fight or who the Marines are so those who are coming through here are being taught in learning

How to become a warrior? I mean and that I got a chance to watch there's 11 different boot camps happening, 11 different companies going through it. I got a chance to watch from the first day of pickup for a group of 60 I believe in the company and then I got a chance to see like day 11 then I got a chance to watch them do their crucible which is like their final exam it's the final 54 hours and then I got to see an EGA ceremony which is an Eagle Globe anchor ceremony Where the recruit gets their pin for the first time and they are considered marines It's also the first time that the drone structures in them have a relationship of peers in humans as opposed to di

in Recruit that needs to figure out that this ain't a game and it was a uh It was enlightening. it was eye opening, it was an honor, and it was something that made me realize quickly that I had a little bit of worry about the way the world was. I thought maybe we would be too soft. Like if something was to really pop off, do we still have it?

Because I feel like other countries are still going through some stuff, and I feel like if they had to, they'd have the toughness the Mental toughness the physical toughness to have to do what you have to do whenever push comes to shove We're watching it happen in a couple different places now where we couldn't have expected things to happen and all of a sudden we got like Invasion happening war happening and boots on ground happening and I wondered about the United States of America have we gotten too soft Do we even have enough to supply? We're gonna be just fine. It's good. I want to let you know? We're going to be just fine.

I want to let you know that. We're going to be just... The reason why I know that is because we have Marines and they do not. And if you get through a Marine boot camp, 13 weeks, if you get through a Marine boot camp, you're going to have to be mentally tough. I mean, you're going to have to be physically tough,

you're going to have to be mentally tough, and you're going to have to be ready to go. Because that is basically what they're Creating down there a lot of people that end up at the Marines a lot of the people that we saw now granted There's legacy, you know dad was a Marine family was was Marine There's people that want to serve their country and be something great Then there's a lot of people that don't have a lot of other opportunities homeless people homeless recruits I got a chance to meet guys who just basically, I had nothing else going on in my life

and wanted to find something, so I signed up for the Marines, and then I get here and now their lives have changed forever. And the emotions that happened from day one, a pickup, all the way through the EGA ceremony, when you become a Marine, for some of them it was the first time they've ever accomplished or finished something

in their entire life, in their entire being. They've done something. So it was super emotional. It was awesome to be down there. Shout out to First Sergeant Pete Ramos, breakchains dog, passion, got you. Shout out to Bobby Yarbrough, sir, appreciate you. First Sergeant Patrick Dartland, Steve Price,

I appreciate the hell out of you. And Emmett Berg was down there doing his thing with a camera. Oh, hi. We lost him a of times. What do you mean? He's got courage, okay, he was There's a couple of times we're like, whoa We lost him and then we'd be walking around there's one guy with a white shirt on and then he'd be in the middle of guy with a white shirt on and he'd be in the middle of a dead god and he's like in there it's like we had to get him back it was they were so nice so cool and so

thankful there's gonna be recruits though in my I think that we're going through their cruise pool which is the end of an 11-week boot camp it's like a 54-hour straight you know series of events that leads to your graduation it's the hardest by far it's like everything you've done but limited sleep like two hours of sleep Maybe over this 54 hours drill instructors sleep like three hours a night for 11 weeks. That's a drill instructors They think the recruits need to get a lot harder Yeah, it's the easiest was gonna be through that crucible period. They're sleeping like four hours Maybe and they're dead tired exhausted Sienna boot camp and they're doing a lot of shit, you know Like walking through different trails of woods and hiking and water and swampy land and dragging their face through stuff

And then I was just standing there, you know, and I'm gonna tank top got a hat on they got these sand fleas that are just I mean they are Aggressive they are the Marines of bugs. They are resilient They are tough and of Bucks. They are resilient, they are tough, and they will get you. But there was a couple kids that I made eye contact with, and you could see them, like they could barely keep their eyes open, and they're like... And then they would just walk. And they're going to tell a story someday.

They're fucking McAfee. I think fucking Pat McAfee. I might have been hallucinating. There was a guy in a tank top sitting there. I mean, it was awesome, man. And thank you to all those who served, who have served, and those who will sign up in the future. Obviously, all branches of military

are incredibly appreciated by us here at our entire program. D. Butch Dad was obviously a member of the Army, I do believe, but for what the Marines did to me Semper Fi brother, ooh-rah, okay, and I ain't never gonna be no wadi and Everybody understands what I mean that what I said there that our drill instructors. Yeah, I mean either You look like you never be a DI brother I'm just saying I'm not gonna be I don't want to give it all the way all the shit I don't know how much I'm supposed to say how much I'm not supposed to say what is my favorite term though me, too

weak-ass drill instructor So you asked for like energy drink Oh, you're looking for a little wadi over there you yawn that I just see a wadi like so much of No fucking way could you yawn no way what are we talking about? It's involuntary Also, what watch where you put your hands? I'm sorry put your hands dude watch where you put your hands break chains break chains break chains Break chains. Okay. Yeah, I was very pumped to be there. It was cool. I I'll tell you what I am NOT built for it though those drill instructors just

For for oh 400 lights are on lights flip on but there's already been a lot that's been happening. We're in there and it is well good morning. It is about to go from 4am to 8pm. It is just 13 weeks. How do those voices they don't they they don't how do they last I heard a bang out of one pretty so while I was getting in the middle of learning what a life of a recruit is okay drone structure I didn't know his name I did not get a chance to meet him he's in the middle of either boot camps or going back to tour. So drill instructors have to serve in the Marines first, then they either sign up to be a drill instructor, they have to go back to DI school,

which is like a boot camp to become a drill instructor, or they go and serve, and then they're asked if they would like to go back and be a drill instructor and help out or whatever, and a lot of them do. You gotta be cut out for it though. Obviously not everybody's a drill instructor. It is a two and a half, three hours of sleep. You're creating the culture.

You are making Marines in this entire thing. The guy that was the lead senior drill instructor from when I was coming through the footprints, I mean, just when I say ears, you say open, sir. Do you understand? Aye, sir. Yell aye, sir. Aye, sir. Ears.

And I was like like is that ears? You know, you didn't get sounded different, you know, so I said I sir he goes when I say ears You say open sir. Do you understand? I sir is I'm like, I Still think you're saying those words differently You know still think you're saying differently so I didn't say that obviously I was just sitting there letting my brain calculate is he saying ears right there is he saying because when he said when I say eyes you say snap sir and you snap your head at me eyes snap sir faster eyes

stop sir yes okay is huh what did you say there so So my bro else rattled bro. I was right. I'm standing there. I Open shit This guy was fed up with He was done with couldn't even says where couldn't even so good. Yeah, I bet you the Marines very good at Simon That's probably better one. Yeah, I would say yeah, Leet I would say elite, elite Simon Says players. Yeah, it was. Did they tell you what the bootcamp was like for these drill instructors?

Like when they get back from tour? Yeah, I was there, I actually went through it. So they gotta go through all the same. So it's the same exact stuff. Basically, because they gotta be reminded of all the exercises. There's like a confidence course, which has all these different exercises.

There's like a roll thing, and then there's a hand-to-hand combat. And they're yelling. Go through all that, yeah, yeah. Go through all that stuff. Then they got a DI score, they sit down, have to learn all this, like it is, you're right back into almost a boot camp.

Now granted, there's more of a peer feeling, as opposed to how the recruits are viewed. Yeah, yeah. Okay, the recruits, you have not earned the respect to be called a Marine, and it will certainly feel like that. But a lot of the DIs, not a lot, I I guess some of the DIs end up having to serve with the people that were in their boot camps so like that is how they view it like hey you're gonna be at war with definitely other Marines maybe even me so for

these next 11 weeks I am gonna make you as hardened and as smart and as lack of reactionary or scared that you could possibly be but I couldn't imagine that at 18 years old. I could not imagine walking in there at 18. I would, they call it the yellow footprints. You know, yellow snow. Yeah. Do you have a moment there?

Like obviously you took a different path. Like what if this was the path I took? So there was a couple of times where I was like kind of mixed like because I'm talking to people I'm like, man, I have so much kind of mixed like because I'm talking to people I'm like man I have so much respect for all these people I'm talking to and the conversation is exactly how like I like to enjoy conversation Things were talking about the way we go by talking about the shit that's being talked There's a lot of shit being talked a lot of sports similarities I'm like, oh, this would be a cool team to be a part of, you know

They walk outside and I watch these guys going through Fallujah and the Crucible and they are Dragging their faces through a field of mud because if they lift their face at all, they're seen, all right, so you can't be seen, have to be under there, 300 yards, just dragging their faces just under barbed wire through stuff. And I'm like 18 year old Pat would've never, well I would've never, I would've,

and then he can't though. That's too late. He can't, oh you wanna quit, oh you're broken. We got a broken recruit. Okay, so what's that mean? Well, somebody else gonna have to drag me now. This is I just made somebody else's life miserable I could see how like if I had a kid that was a little bit, you know Gotta be a dog but a little bit out like the Marines will Make you an effect. They will make you an adult. Like I think back in the day,

I don't think it happens much anymore where they say, you either go to like juvie or jail, or you go to like boot camp or something like that. I could see how that would be an answer. Like I can see how that would be a, hey, we're going to teach you how to be disciplined. We're going to teach you about accountability. We're going to teach you about striving for perfection.

Because that is basically what a DI is trying to do. They're trying to make every recruit be perfect at everything that they do. And also, we need you not asking any questions. We tell you to do it, you need to, because they're first to fight. So hey, there is a wall right there. We need you to actually run through that wall. That's what they're trying to create with the Marines. And it's like, they do it.

They absolutely do it. And then you finish with a 15k hike that starts at 2 a.m. at the end of that crisp over there on like two hours of sleep and you're just watching them walk through the streets to finish it and it's like just dragging I mean everything massive rainstorm so just drenched for 54 hours chafing everywhere glad you're on our side then go that's all I kept saying the entire time I'm so happy this exists that's all I kept saying hey what's your big takeaway I'm just thankful that this exists because I

didn't think it was possible anymore and they've they've talked about how people have tried to change them over the years and they certainly had to be it in different they've had to do things a little bit different but like they fight against you're like no we need this this need to stay and they've won So shout out to Marines. Oh, rah, rah, you get it And shout to the Charlie company passion, dude Sorry about an alpha graduated this weekend and shout the first sergeant Pete Ramos first sergeant Pat Garland Bobby Yarbrough, sir Steve Price and Emma Burke and everybody else that I met there. Everybody was so cool.

A lot of fans of the show. Nice. A lot of fans of the show. A lot of fans of Game Day too. A lot of Southern boys. Good to know Emmett's get lost too. Emmett Berg, a little bit different than Mitt. We did talk about Mitt there.

I actually thought about Mitt a couple of times through that entire thing. Boot camp? Yeah. I think this is so... Bobby Yarbrough, Chief Warrant Officer Bobby Yarbrough. Boot camp. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I think this is so Bobby are broad like letter chief warrant officer Bobby are bro formerly enlisted now officer He said hey if you need somebody down here, we got we got a couple different options three day one week two week

We can really straighten some things out of you threatened D bone this morning. Actually. Yes, I did I feel like we should all do I tell you what? Ah, sir. I think you should Think you should I think you should Ladies and gentlemen live from an attic in, Ohio Town just as guy knows you that this stage of your life You don't want no pieces of Paris Island brother They got a I'm not gonna give way too much. They got some great shit on that island Briggs and Bruce that's a bar. Mm-hmm got a sand volleyball pit outside. Oh, yeah, that's cool

I'm gonna ask is there a piano in there? Hi, you know the whole thing everybody was too kind to be too kind I appreciate everybody All right live from an attic in Ohio ladies and gentlemen a man who would have been a I? Think it's probably his other old I think that's probably what it would have been if he wasn't a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, the all time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawke.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hawke, saw a lot of your faces down there, buddy. Lot of your faces down there at Parris Island. Those dudes are way tougher than anyone. I can't, yeah, I'm very thankful that humans like that do exist. My father-in-law was a Marine, so yeah, I know a little bit about it. Yeah, huge respect, I couldn't yeah I'm very thankful that humans like that do exist my father-in-law was a Marine so yeah I know a little bit about it and yeah huge respect I couldn't do any of it. Legitimately very thankful they exist

that was my takeaway that's still my takeaway and I'm very appreciative of how nice they were to me they're probably for probably forced to be as nice as they were and I appreciate them allowing us to watch them do their thing, answer all my questions and going forward, obviously I've had respect for the military, getting a chance to experience it hands on and see what happens. It's like much, much respect, you know, like Jim Harbaugh would say, much respect. Now let's talk a little football here before we get to our first guest of the hour, Aaron Rodgers, officially with the Pittsburgh Steelers. How long did you know when you talked to him at the Kentucky Derby about his

football future? Was it the Pittsburgh Steelers and nobody else? How close do you think he was to actual retirement? Just kind of what is your thoughts on him officially joining the Pittsburgh Steelers, AJ? Yeah, I mean, this is kind of what Ian predicted, I guess. He gets there in time for mini camp and get the playbook when they send him home for the

Little summer break that they have I mean I had no insight on this I didn't know when he was gonna sign if he was gonna sign But I did say like he looked like he was in good shape. He was eating healthy. Definitely was working out He didn't look like a guy that was on the road to retirement. That's for sure Yeah, and him joining the Pittsburgh Steelers has Pittsburgh Steelers fans singing a little different tune I think they were doing a big no, let's not get our hopes up. Let's not get our hopes up We don't like it. We don't like it. Then it officially happens and boom all the Steelers fans are all in maybe we go win something Maybe we do something special here because the style of football that Aaron Rodgers is okay with playing is handing the ball off

Not turning it over being a smart offensive football team and it feels like with Tomlin in that defense, Arthur Smith and he are gonna be able to do some magic. Now, Tone, you just brought up a good point. Aaron's already out and about in the community, is that accurate? Yeah, he's already at a charity golf outing that Cam Hayward is hosting, him and DK are there, so yeah, Aaron's already best friends with the entire team,

he's already a leader of the team, and I mean, it's just the first step to a great season. Well didn't Cam Hayward say you should just share it off with Paul. He did. That was taken out of context. Cam, like the rest of us, he also you know was, you know, he didn't want to get hurt. So you say things like that until Aaron actually comes and then you know we are big or at least I am a big you know under under promise over deliver guy. So you know that's kind of how it was taking holes

Well shout out to Aaron getting out there shout to cam Hayward being an incredible leader Not only for the city but for the Pittsburgh Steelers and Mark Kaboli Obviously on the scene and that's why Mark Kaboli boots on the grounds good for the program and shout this wickley hikes golf Very nice SHGC, yeah good two and a half months of golfing in there, but their greens are pristine. I think Aaron doesn't even know that uh, he's about to have a tough day on that golf course. Yeah, it's a tough golf course. Normally they'd be at Oakmont, but it's booked this week, so they went with Swickly instead. That would be the US Open.

We'll talk more about that as the week rolls on. Joining us is a man who has all the information about a massive ruling that has taken place House vs. the NCAA, House being a kid's last name, not the House of Representatives Basically, this case was going to be the one that was going to bring about a salary cap for D1 sports Judge Claudia Wilkin has approved the landmark House vs. NCAA settlement which will usher in revenue sharing and roster limits to college sports. Roster limits obviously a big deal because it's doing away with walk-ons. College sports and revenue sharing, big deal because schools will be paying players for

the first time. To tell us more about that, ladies and gentlemen, the man who has the authority on all college sports, friend of the program, Pete D'Amol. How you doing, Pete? Never been better, Pat. How about you guys? Friend of the program Pete D'Amol How you doing Pete Never been better Pat How about you guys you say that every time we talk to you and I think it's that type of mindset that makes me Love every time we get a chance to catch up with you. Let's talk about it

This house first the NCAA court thing was supposed to happen in April. That was just a setup of a hearing now We have an actual ruling. What does this mean? How quick does this get instituted? And is everything fixed now? Pete Thamel, which is great news. I wish everything was fixed back because it'd make my job a little more linear. I think the best way to look at the house settlement, it's that it's a completely new pathway for college sports to go on. There are still a lot of questions and there are certainly still some skepticism on how everything is going to work, but it's a complete reset and reboot of the system.

The headline is officially formally schools will be able to directly share revenue with players for the first time ever. Long obviously overdue, long anticipated Friday night, 9 10 Eastern. Judge Wilkins set that into motion. So it is a completely new era, which is exciting because the old era was a mess. But there's also going to be a ton of questions pushing forward and there will be, there will be some hiccups. It will not go smoothly.

I think that's the safest thing to say. Probably the most important takeaway the last 72 hours, Pat, is that an enforcement entity called the College Sports Commission was formed and about three hours after Judge Wilkins signed this document, a high-level MLB executive named Brian Seely was put in charge of that commission. NCA Enforcement, I think everybody can agree upon, was a very feudal and inept organization that was poorly armed and poorly executed all these NC investigations the last 20 years. This new College Sports Commission

is going to come in and attempt to set and then enforce rules which has obviously been one of your favorite words Pat, a vexing issue for college sports. I like vexing. So how that all comes together and how quickly it can come together are the you know the issues will be pushing towards until the season starts so many follow-ups We'll get into them all the first main one There is the Sports Commission that you're talking about that has been put together if people were to list Groups that suck at their jobs I think the NCAA would be at last in professional sports and then the MLB would be right above it wouldn't it?

I think literally every other league would be above even the NLL, the PLL, you put Rable in there above the MLB with how they go about handling their business as a whole. So when I see a guy from the MLB is heading it up, my immediate thoughts are, oh great, that's great, let's get the guy from the league that doesn't do good to head up this brand new thing, but everybody says this is the right guy for the job I think is that because he wants the job and what type of experiences you have that makes us think okay? He'll be good for the job. I certainly am happy that somebody's signing up for this role I am happy that he has experience in professional sports

But the MLB is nowhere near a place where anybody looks at and says yeah That's the motto and how we should do things So just just kind of why Brian Seeley and do you think he's gonna be good? Why Brian Seeley is a good question Pat and I think that his experience as an assistant US attorney in Washington DC so he has significant litigating experience and he can combine that obviously with years of running MLB's investigations. And so he has had his hand in two pots that are going to be applicable here. I believe he is Princeton undergrad, Harvard Law, obviously extremely intelligent guy. He had a very much

behind the scenes role at MLB. So it'll be interesting because what his job is going to be in a lot of ways is he's going to be the sheriff of this whole thing, for lack of a more articulate way to put it. And he is going to be in the cross areas. Everyone right now, we had five commissioners on a conference call this morning, is kind of linking hands and singing kumbaya and say, we all to make this work and it's only going to work if rules are enforced. If you say one thing about the NFL like you tamper and you're the Dolphins there's punitive measures and ultimately he's going to have to be an unpopular figure in college sports because he's going to have to set rule help set rules put them in place and enforce them with punitive measures. And those are going to be in regards to NIL deals that are outside of revenue share.

And that's where the new tension point in the industry lies. Everybody can give away their 20.5 million how they want. I would guess 14 to 16 million of that go to football. But it's how these outside NIL deals are gauged, how they are handled and ultimately approved or not approved is where the tension point in the industry shifts. Okay so on that note, tone is going to have a question about some deals that have already been negotiated but let's talk about the deals that are supposed to happen in the future somehow under Sheriff Seely's watch here of the Sports Commission. I guess it was all supposed to be market value and there's like comps and everything and

they approve whether or not it's an overpay or an underpay. How is that possible in marketing deals because you are worth exactly what somebody's willing to pay you in marketing deals. Like are they foreseeing a massive lawsuit coming down the pipe in that type of world? Or will Brian Seely be given the power or the unilateral power to be like, no, this is what this type of deal is worth. Cause it feels like that could potentially, that's where it could still get ugly, right?

That's probably the only thing holding it all up. Oh yes, there will be lawsuits Pat. That is for certain here. I think the key term, if we want to go inside baseball, no pun intended, is that the fair market value quote you just mentioned is not actually the term that's in the documents now. It's called range of compensation. And I think for the very reason of the legal ties, they don't want to be the ones determining fair market value. So they're going to look at a range of compensation, see where this fits and whether or not it

is approved. It's going to be a lot easier to talk about these deals once we see them approved or not approved than in the theoretical. And nobody really knows, Pat, how it's going to go until the deals are funneled through the system and ultimately they are done. Now, one thing for the athletes that is a notable shift is that these cases, so say your deal is not approved and you appeal it, it goes to arbitration and the whole process of appealing and arbitration ruling is going to be 45 days. You around

the NCAA long enough to know Pat that like sometimes these things stretched years and years and years. So there is at least a focus on efficiency in a more nimble system, gauging what they're going to say yay and nay to and what is fair and what is not. That is going to be tricky. There is no doubt about that. I mean, you obviously foresee a tension point there, and it's hard to blame you forecasting that in the future. Yes, for sure. I didn't know defensive ends got 40 million a year. Did you know that?

Nope. Did you know that quarterbacks get $230 million fully guaranteed? No, the market said they don't, right? Until somebody comes in and says they do. The market is always whatever somebody's willing to pay. You are worth exactly what somebody's willing to pay you. So I appreciate the fact that they're trying

to put a cap on it. So, you know, these schools with all the money, you know, the Ohio State Buckeyes. That's right. Of course. You know, the Oregon Ducks, you know, the Texas Longhorns, the Penn State Nittany Lions, the Michigan Wolverines had enough millionaires to begin with. Then he brought in Larry Ellison as a billionaire to join them in that entire thing. Texas Longhorns, the Penn State Nittany Lions, the Michigan Wolverines had enough millionaires

to begin with, then he brought in Larry Ellison as a billionaire to join them in that entire thing, let alone the SEC and what they've been up to. How are they gonna be able to stop the NIL deals that are on top of now the school salaries from being absurd, which then leads to the deals that have already happened? Tone, has a question for you.

Yeah, Pete, so basically the schools are now pay to play for the athletes. Before that it felt like the NIL collectives were pay to play. So what happens to the NIL collectives? And then before this, people knew this was coming down so they were front loading contracts for players this year. Are those contracts still good going forward? And what do you see going on with the NIL collective? Yeah, all good questions. So yes, there was a ton of frontloading and Pat referenced that date in early April where the industry thought a ruling was going to come. So the the the hurry up to frontload has really been

going on for a few months and my understanding is those deals that have already been brokered are not gonna be subject to scrutiny. So pushing forward tone, sorry, I lost train of thought on your question. The second part was what? What's gonna happen with the NIL collectives? Yeah, so sorry about that. So the collectives are still going to exist.

I think ideally when they start to set up this system, they set it up so that the collectives would no longer be part of the industry. But that's just not the case in a free market, like we say. So ultimately, I see the collectives becoming almost like marketing arms that are going to help players get deals. And if you have a professional one that falls within industry standards, that becomes a competitive advantage for you. So basically all those teams that Pat just mentioned the Ducks the Buckeyes the Wolverines the Longhorns, etc And they are going to have access to more deals and that is essentially going to give them an advantage Outside of the 20.5 million and how it all works

But you guys are doing a really good job distilling where these tension points are going to come Because what they don't want is, you know, John, John business in downtown Indianapolis just randomly giving a Hoosier $3 million in a pay for play thing. But actually judging what is market range of compensation, whatever you want to call it and what is pay for play is where this is going to be fascinating, especially if you're a private business, right, which you can, you know, in this country do what you want to do. So there are, there are tension points looming and it's going to be Brian Sealy's job to not only navigate, Pat, which I think is important, but also explain what works and what doesn't and why.

Because the NCA system was always very distant, vague, non-transparent. And this system, if it's going to work, has to be transparent. And then if people do break the rules and they're caught breaking the rules, there has to be punitive punishments in order for people to respect the rules, which was not the case in the old system. So we happen to be athletes that do sponsorship deals. So why would we potentially be able to forecast what's coming down the pipe? I think because I've done all these things. I think because I've had to do all these and

I'm going to let you know that if I was a player and some company was going to give me $1.5 million and then Sealy's crew says 250,000. What's right? That's an immediate that's a $1.25 million. Hey, I'm getting screwed here. And that's just the way the world works like that's loud. That's a lawsuit That's some sort of I mean, I don't know and it's like we thought that the revenue sharing Was gonna be the right play because now they have a salary cap in the schools are paying so we know it's actual real contracts We know that they're not gonna get bamboozled

We know they're not gonna lie to but the fact that all the other stuff isn't like banned, you know, and not saying it should be banned because guys should be able to collect their money however they collect, but the fact that that's still available, it's like, well, you still have the NIL problem. You still have the pay for play problem, but now it just has to be worded in ways that Brian Sealy and the team say, yeah, it's okay. So it's just more paperwork almost, as opposed to just the Wild Wild West. Hopefully it's good for players. Hopefully it's good for teams.

But it feels like there's a chance that we're still in the middle of chaos. As long as the product on the field matters, it is good, that's all that matters. Now let's talk about another thing that was reported a part of this entire ruling. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Pete, I saw over 28 billion in back pay

to former players, I think going back to 2016. How'd they come up with that number? How'd they come up with the 2016 mark to take it back to? Yeah, so it's 2.8 billion, AJ, and they came up with that number through a complicated system that involved metrics and income and chopping up different revenue streams that the athletes needed to be a part of.

And I think this is all pre-2021 dating back a certain number of years, unfortunately not dating back far enough for you and Pat to capitalize on it. I just feel like bullshit. Chef Chang put this together? It was like he was a part of it. Go ahead, Pete, sorry. And put this together? No. It feels like he was a part of it.

Go ahead, Pete. Sorry. And then how it gets distributed and the people use Baker Mayfield. I see the picture obviously up there. He's obviously the type of high profile athlete who should have profited and this is going to be essentially back paper that people talk about Zion Williamson a lot, maybe as a marquee guy who obviously could have commanded a lot of money for His name image and likeness during his during his season at Duke

There are economists and people a lot smarter than me working on how to chop this up And there are there been stories about like NBA locker rooms where there's like a representative and guys go around so guys can essentially Like send an email and file for their back pay pay so that is that is in motion right now I'm not going to pretend to understand the math well enough to explain it to your broad audience Pat but we are in we are in the midst and throws of That money being pushed back that the 2.8 billion AJ is going to come from different conferences basically So this is all a deal, guys, to just sort of keep college sports going and keep college sports on the rails. And it is an imperfect

solution. I think we all know that. I don't think a random federal judge in Northern California controlling the fate of a billion dollar industry is what anyone wanted. But because the industry had gone so sideways and because the NCAA for so many decades hadn't been able to adapt and evolve, this is just sort of the drastic lightning bolt to pivot the conversation, pivot where the money goes. But anyone who thinks this is a solution and there's going to be a period of kumbaya after this is naive. They're going to be growing pains and they need people to

follow along. This industry and the coaches in it and the schools in it have for decades basically when rules have been set they have attempted to find ways around the rules. And the hope in the industry, whether it's naive or not, we'll see is that now that there are rules and there is money available for everybody, people are going to fall in line and follow the rules. We'll see if it happens. Sealy's got his hands full. Yeah, people always fall in line.

Amen. I don't know how they decide what deal is good, what deal is not good. Because if you give a, let's say you give some percentage ratio deal to somebody and you don't give it to somebody else, now you you automatically start because like what were they approved what were they each city is different each school is gonna be different oh city they live in like oh does this guy have a million ten million tick-tock followers that drives the value up like they evaluate all of this yeah what if you buy a bunch of fake hey lads yeah ladies I'm watching these

softball players make a million bucks I mean all college athletes. Listen, you just go buy those fake followers you go into court This is what you got. Yeah, they can't say no to anything. Thank you I don't think they're gonna have the power to say no to any deal. I don't know how you do without getting sued I genuinely don't know how you do that. I Mean certainly Pat I think there's an an expectation that things are going to be legally challenged and that's ultimately going to help form how this stuff goes. My lighting's agreeing with me because it's blinking.

Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah, blink once if you agree. Because imagine I'm turning down a deal. What if it's for a kid? Think about the story that they can paint, Okay? The ceiling. Kid comes from nothing. $1.25 million signing bonus available. Also getting paid from the salary cap $500,000 or whatever from the salary cap for his job. Because they're going to do percentages of NFL rosters and what they make. That's how they're going to end up making the $14, $16 million. Who's worth what? They'll be able

to say this is equitable and everything like that. But some NIL deal is gonna come in. It's 1.25 million bucks for two posts or something like that. And then Sealy's gonna say no. And then this kid could potentially have a lawyer say, this kid comes from nothing, was sleeping on the ground. And now he's got a company that wants to give him

1.25 million dollars and they're saying no, he can't have 1.25 million dollars. Just think about the, all right, good luck Sealy. I'm pulling just think about the alright good luck Sealy I'm pulling for you I'm pulling for you I'm pulling for you there is a way to make money for your school though allegedly go ahead Con man yeah Sam well everyone was reporting over the weekend that college football the video game NCAA 2k whatever the newest one that's coming out this summer will actually pay schools based on how much their school is used in the game.

So the most popular teams, like last year where Ohio State, Oregon, they would get more money because more players online and things are used in their team. In theory, does this mean if we all use West Virginia or Ball State that these schools could earn millions of dollars because of that?

Or how does that payout exactly work? Connor, that's an excellent question. My instinct upon seeing that report was that it was a very wise marketing gimmick because hence we're talking about it here on national TV. And it's a good way to incentivize fans you know, fans to go and support their teams, etc. etc. I don't think the money involved here is particularly game changing or anything. I think it's sort of gussied up bragging rights, perhaps, would be the best way to put it. Gussied up bragging rights.

Hey listen, we need Pat White and Steve Slaton back on the game. We need everybody playing West Virginia. Oh yeah. And we need to go ahead and run it up. We need to run it up. Pete we appreciate you keeping us updated on all of it. It sounds like we get some more answers and then more questions arise. That's college sports in a nutshell. How many lawsuits are going to be coming from the sports that don't get as much money as the revenue share as well to the individual schools themselves. That's probably something too. Oh, yeah. Well, athletic departments have difficult decisions to make, Pat, because if you're an SEC school that really values basketball, like non-Kentucky, and look, the SEC had the greatest single basketball season of conferences ever had, how do you, you know, how if you're an athletic director, do you chop things up to keep your basketball relevant, vibrant, and competitive in the most difficult league in the country? But at the same time, you can't cut into King football, which is why the NIL question really comes into refocus. Because if you do not have the if you don't have a lot of funds as an SEC school, because

football is getting it, and rightfully so, they're the they're the biggest revenue driver, how do you go find money to have a competitive roster? We've seen the headline about UNC's roster being around $14 million. Kentucky's is in the teens, or perhaps even a little bit above this year from what's been reported. So the landscape has gone sideways with all this front loading. And the thing that I'm probably most skeptical of, Pat, is that all of a sudden everything's going to get right sized and people are gonna make less. Like we don't see in booming multi-billion dollar industries people making less. So eventually that's gonna become difficult right sizing.

I don't wanna do a well actually to you, but CBA happened, AJ was pre-CBA. Oh, the huge one piece. When the draftees used to just make like more than 10-year vets like Matthew Stafford got like 60 million or something the year I was drafted number one overall pick. So they they reset that market pretty quickly with the new CBA and that just was like well your your generation kind of just gets screwed by it and then you move forward. It was still millions and millions and millions of dollars obviously, but it was vastly different than what it was. There's a chance that there's a generation now

of kids that are going to have to experience that where it's like if you were two years older you would have got you would have got eight million bucks for one year buddy to go up to Michigan and play quarterback but instead they're trying to find those rules. I think there's a lot of chaos still to kind of figure out. Seeley's the right guy for the job. I hate being negative immediately upon seeing that he was from the MLB. I don't like that I don't like that. I was just immediately negative about that But the fact that you said he was an attorney general is out you said Yeah, a USA out of Washington DC. He spent a year at the Senate Judiciary Committee I mean a big swing your credentials Pat are you know extremely impressive?

He's clearly a bright guy who has experience in you know the highest levels of courts and in the highest levels of professional sports Whether that means he can solve this vexing college sports issue. We shall see it will be a challenge All right. Well sheriff Seely's gonna do a great job. Just like the authority Pete Thamel always does we appreciate your brother AJ He's not gonna they're not gonna be able to turn down anything. Can't do anything. How can you shut down every deal is its own specific thing like how much do you have 5,000 people working on this? Yeah I don't and also yes they would have to have a full committee they would all have to be able to see the exact same things and who's deciding what the range is for how much

money you're allowed to make. You know like I just brought up miles Garrett into Shawn Watson Just as two examples so people can like just have a reference for what a market is There's people that break the market like that is how the market continues to evolve and like well, they're not worth that Well, they are you know why because somebody was willing to pay that it's like so how is this group committee gonna? Be able to be like nah He ain't worth that that ain't what you're worth. Like if these people wanna pay somebody a lot of money to make them popular, they could do that.

I don't think they have, but I think they could choose to do that. I think they've tried a couple times in the past, but it's like who says how much money they're willing to spend to make their business better is within a reasonable price or not. Like who gets, that's never gonna. The lawyers win.

Definitely. There will be lawyers. But me as a person who has represented myself and negotiated my own deals and has had to put the number on what I think the deal should be worth and have had people like call me and be like, hey, if they counter you you they are debating your number

You are in there defending your number like that is literally the last marching orders before I went into a Nine figure negotiation was a defend your number when you go in there So it's like every agent or every one of these players is gonna defend their number and it's like if they get paid that Who says they're not worth that? I don't know how you stop that. I think that's just what it is going forward. Legitimately, I think that's probably what life is going forward. I appreciate Sheriff Seely signing up for the gig, but I don't know how many legally he's going to be able to say no to. Like, I just don't know how you're going to be able to say no.

Well, for schools too, we remember the graphic of, you know, the percentage of teams that a school had, I believe it was LSU, that were in the green making money and that were in the red losing money. So like if you're an athletic director, how can you decide to take money away from, let's say, the football team that's making a hundred X over the softball team or soccer team or something like that or vice versa where it's like hey soccer You haven't made you don't make the school any money So we're gonna take a million of your dollars and give it to the football team like are they able to do things like that? You also have to remember they have to hit a certain amount to get to the 20 million max

Yeah Remember because some schools aren't gonna be able to hit to 20 million dollar revenue share because they're not gonna hit the amount of Money and revenue to get to that point. I mean, there's just so many conversations about this because UNC, I believe a big part of the negotiation between Bill Belichick, Lombardi and them, I think Belichick was obviously representing himself, but I'm just saying Lombardi was general manager was there. Would we be able to hit the revenue? Would we be able to hit the max revenue?

And it's like, yes, we'll be able to hit the max revenue. Now, UNC basketball place, how much will they give up? And then you think about some of these schools that have a lot of Olympic sports. Like I remember talking to people up in Michigan and they're like, we have a lot of Olympic sports here. So how much money are they gonna give? We're very proud of the amount of Olympians

that come out of Michigan. It's like sharing that money. I think if you listen to a lot of athletic directors or coaches or people that have to make the decision on what percentage is going where, they all want a mandate from Sealy. We would like you to make a mandate. So they're not on fire. Yeah. So like, can you give a percentage that has to go to this? You get pressured to like get rid of sports. I mean, because the more sports you have, you're at a bigger disadvantage from other schools that

may not have as many sports you have to share that with. That's where it's going to get the messiest. You mentioned it without a doubt because all of these schools like the SEC, I mean we're talking about them in baseball, like they are the best baseball college baseball conference by far, but a lot of these yeah like I mean also gymnastics, yeah gymnastics. I mean we're gonna find that real quick probably a couple of these other sports, but then you mentioned like the Olympic stuff like they're gonna a lot of these schools are gonna basically have to say like hey sorry we don't give a shit about anything but football, you know And like that's just a reality and that's absolutely going to happen

But I think you're right I think where the other sports come in and like scholarships getting pulled or people not getting money like that's where this is going to get really messy Joining us now ladies and gentlemen, I assume he, you know what? I'm excited to get his take on this actually. He is currently the only sportscaster who calls NBA, NFL, MLB, and the National Hockey League. Tonight, he'll be on the call for game three down in Florida in a series that's tied one to one. First game goes to overtime. Second game goes to double overtime. We're talking about the two best teams in the league. We're talking about one of the best voices in the history of sports. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who's been

broadcasting since 1990. I was three years old. Holy hell, what a legend. Ladies and gentlemen, Kenny Allen. How are you, Kenny? You were three, Pat. I think I was seven at the time But you know you nailed it at three or seven years old you were unbelievable just like you are now Thank you for joining us. I want to just kind of set the table to get your take on this I assume you love college sports You seem like you're just a sports guy in general college sports is at a wild time And we all appreciate the fact that players are making money It's the wild wild west now the schools are gonna be paying a salary

Then there's also gonna be NIL all we care about is that the sports don't get ruined right Kenny That's kind of the thought at the end Yeah, absolutely, you know I don't get to see as much college football as you might think because I'm always at an NFL city over the weekend We'll have it on on Saturdays, but you can't fully pay attention. But I'm a big college sports fan, love college basketball. And you know, when I was growing up

back in the seventies and eighties, I think back to Big East basketball, Georgetown, St. John's, Syracuse, Villanova, you knew which schools were in which conference, right? The players stayed for three or four years. The conferences never changed. So that was sort of the glory days,

in my opinion, of college basketball. It's changed a lot since then. You know, a lot for the better, but as far as what you're talking about, it is hard sometimes to follow which players playing for which school, which schools, and which conference. But, you know, I guess that's for a lot,

a lot smarter people than me to figure out. Hopefully Sheriff Seeley's able to figure that lot smarter people than me. Yeah, hopefully Sheriff Sealy is able to figure that out of the MLB. I'm sure you know him with all your work you've done in baseball Let's talk about the NHL Let's talk about a Stanley Cup final that is living up to the hype back-to-back games and overtime second game double overtime What are your thoughts on how the boys are playing right now? And what should we expect for tonight Kenny? Well, it's been an unbelievable series so far and and I appreciate you having me on I think the last time we chatted was During the Stanley Cup final two years ago between Vegas and Florida Our NHL on TNT crew covered that one

Rotates every year so our friends over at ESPN had Florida Edmonton last year and now we're thrilled to be back on the series this year And I don't mean to, you know, start with a name drop, but regards Pat, from about 20 minutes ago, I was with Eddie Olchek and Wayne Gratzky having lunch. At the hotel, Wayne was telling us about, you know, what a great time he had on with you last week. And, you know, Eddie remembers meeting you back in the day when he was playing for the Penguins and coaching the Penguins.

So those guys say hello first off. Well, geez. Hey Kenny, will you please tell the great one in Eddie Ohl that I said hello and I'm a massive fan as well. The fact that Wayne Gretzky came on our show, absurd. He was so kind to us. So kind to us. What a legend, Kenny. What a legend. He's the best. As good a player as he was, he's even a better person. And I mentioned to him that I was about to come on and he said I had such a great time with Pat last week. Please pass that along to him. So- Thank you, Wayne. We had a great time.

Love you, Wayne. Love you. And Eddie Olchek and Brian Boucher and Darren Pang were with us as well. Those guys love you. But as far as this series, it's one and two. And I'm the only one that goes this way because I've been around a lot of other media people, TV and radio people for this entire series. Among the best games we've ever witnessed in person as far as the hockey,

the level of play, you mentioned two unbelievable teams. The first game felt like an extension, it felt like game eight, an extension of last year's Stanley Cup final. And then on to game nine. And when you look at both first periods, a combined eight goals scored in the first periods of the two games. The Florida Panthers had the lead going into the third period in both games. Edmonton ties it, sending it to overtime. The late goal by Corey Perry.

We've had four lead changes, two overtime thrillers. So we certainly hope those of us involved in this series and for the viewers and the fans, hopefully it goes seven and we have five more overtime games. Amen, more hockey, more free hockey. We love it Stanley Cup finals living up to everything we could have dreamed of in this finals rematch. Go ahead AJ Kenny what's it like being in person watching Connor McDavid move up and down that ice and just how fast he is

Is it when we watch on TV I get a sense of it, but I would imagine in person. That's something special to witness Well, I know you're very close to you know, some players around the NHL family members, and I'm sure they've told you the stories about what it's like to be on the ice with O'Connor McDavid. I was chatting with one of the referees who's involved in the series, and he said Nathan McKinnon is probably number two, but as far as the speed, there's nothing like McDavid. And when he gets going and skates through the neutral zone and McKinnon is probably the guy in the league who's next on the list, you know, as far as being close to McDavid. In Edmonton, we have the good fortune our broadcast booth is down low. It's on the first concourse level. It's about

25 rows up or right behind the stands. It's a great view. The press box there, where some of the other broadcasters are is pretty high up. But to watch those first two games from not right against the glass, but a lot closer to the ice than we usually do. And when he gets going, it's just something special to watch. And then you throw in Leon Dreisaitl

and some of the other unbelievable players in this series. And on the other side, you watch what Sam Bennett's been doing in the playoffs and Brad Marchand. Not as far as the speed of McDavid, but just some of the plays they've been making. It'll be fascinating tonight with Florida having the last change. Will they try to get Barkov out there as much as possible against McDavid? Which defense pairing will they try and get out? So we'll keep an eye on the chess match, but just getting back to AJ's original question, it's just a different speed. We were talking about it with Wayne a little while ago.

I think his son joked to him, imagine if you had McDavid's speed back in the day. And Wayne looked like he was twice as good as any other player that was out there during his entire career. So it's a lot of fun to watch. Yeah, it certainly is. And Wayne Oh with McDavid's speed would have been certainly something to watch.

Cause he said, you know, we'd sweat, we get 10 pounds of sweat in the old leather skates it kind of slow you down a little bit. And you don't have, sorry, sorry about it. That cooking that he did, that's in the Stanley leather skates, it kind of slow you down a little bit. Sorry about it. That cooking that he did, that's in the Stanley Cup final. That's not like game one or game two, that's like game 40 middle of the season. That's a drag. Those are pretty good defenders. Yes, it's the Stanley Cup final. Two best teams. Those moves he made in the past, just incredible. See ya. Stanley Cup final, this is not an all-star game.

People are trying. There's a Lord Stanley Cup on the line. Okay, let's move along here and talk about you, Kenny, on the call. We can't wait to hear you yet again tonight. Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Kenny, when you look around, every broadcaster, or most broadcasters who are worth their salt,

you're certainly in that conversation. Mike Breen's got bang, you know, and there are a laundry list of others. You don't really have an opportunity to do it in hockey as much. But one of my favorite things about watching you on the call is you just get a quick, concise, you just you pop that in time and time again. I don't know if that's like considered your trademark because it's got a little bit of your dad in there

too. But are you noticed like do you consider that a trademark? How did that come to be? And can, if you can, can you maybe pepper like 50 to 60 of those into the game tonight? Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! has the tremendous bank call and I know there was a little controversy because he didn't use it for house burden and I read I read an article where he said it's mostly for three-point shots not not two points okay okay more national media bullshit that's that's what I read I don't know that's what I read the other guy no I know I read it too I'm not thrilled about it we deserve the yeah I'd say yeah yeah sorry about it go ahead deserve the back. Yeah, I'd say yeah. Yeah. Sorry about it. Go ahead. People often ask me about, you know, signature calls and do you come up with, do you have a prepared line, for example, when the when the team

wins the Stanley Cup? And I don't write out a whole paragraph, but I do get some phrases, some keywords and phrases in my mind. When I worked at 2021 Tampa Bay Lightning won the cup. They had won the previous year as well. So I was throwing some words around and came up with lightning strikes twice. So when the game ended, lightning strikes twice, the Tampa Bay Lightning win the Stanley Cup. With Vegas two years ago, it was the silver trophy to the golden Knights. So that was what I used on that. And then this year we had the Ovechkin record breaking game.

That was what I used on that. And then this year we had the Ovechkin record breaking game. Speaking of Wayne Gretzky, we were lucky enough to be there with our TNT crew back in early April on Long Island. And he had scored two goals in the previous game to tie the record. And I was watching that in a hotel room in Atlanta. And I had been thinking about what I would possibly do if he scored that goal.

And I was throwing around in my mind, he's the great eight and Wayne's the great one. And then Joe Benanati, who does a terrific job on Washington Capitals games, he sort of used that for the tying goal for 894. So I said, well, I can't go in that direction now because Joe did it for the tying goal. So when he scored that goal, 895,

it kind of came out naturally, the goal call. And when he scored that goal, 895, it kind of came out naturally, the goal call. And then I got in the number 895, but then I got out of the way. And in TV, what we call laying out. And there have been a couple of other occasions in my career, the Bautista home run and bat flip back in 2015, some other big overtime series winners. I just shut up and get out of the way.

And so many other great broadcasters, Joe Buck comes to mind and many others do the same thing. They let the pictures tell the story and the sounds from the arena or the stadium. And it's ironic, some of the biggest praise that play-by-play announcers get is when we don't say anything, when we shut up and get out of the way.

And that was my philosophy with the Ovachkin goal. I know on the Corey Perry tying goal, I yelled score twice. Maybe I was thinking about Mike Breen with the double bang. I don't know. On some of the big goals and I think I did it, you know, for some other big goals. We had that great Winnipeg St. Louis game, game seven, when Winnipeg was down three to one and scored two goals in the last Two minutes and won the game in overtime So sometimes you let it just come out naturally and then shut up and get out of the way Are you honey you drinking honey? What do we do you got some stuff for the voice? What's the voice? Well? Very unfortunately knock on wood. I haven't had many issues through the years

And we deal with a lot of late flights the early mornings Halls cough drops are probably my secret remedy. I don't I don't drink coffee I don't drink tea unless I have a sore throat a lot of diet coke. So I'm a big diet coke guy, but Throat the Halls cough drops. That's about it. Okay, well the voice always sounds so pure. Yeah. It always sounds so damn great. I'm very envious, just know that. Cause I'll wake up on a random Tuesday and it'll just be nothing.

I'm like, what the hell happened? Oh, I must have slept with my mouth open last night. Okay, so now you're- And you guys have to talk for hours, so you have to preserve that voice, right? Yeah, I know, and I tried to, that's why I asked. That's why I was like, hey, what are you doing? Every person that's a singer, I try to ask them what they do. Some of them have some real

interesting Some of your favorite singers really like what? Remedies like you know the like a Vicks steamer I've seen older generations of I've seen older generations of, and Gumby's laughing, Gumby was there with me. Gumby was there, yeah, this guy. Okay.

This is the guy. Yep. Brought it out, put it on the counter. We were having a conversation and just started huffing. I mean, just huffing this steam for 35 minutes, I think. Conversation with us, then right back into it like it was a ventilator.

And it was just Vick's steam just going right down. I'm like, that's just- back into it like it was a ventilator and it was just Vicks theme just going right down like that's John. Now we'll say this um radio broadcast hockey versus tv I don't have to talk as much on tv you don't have to describe as much as you do on radio and I have two color analysts plus we have Darren Pang and Jackie Redmond downstairs there are five of us contributing but I've done radio for 29 years with the Rangers and there have been some playoff runs, 2014 for example, I was going back and forth in the conference final.

Rangers were playing Montreal, I was working those on radio and then LA against Chicago on TV just about every other day and red eyes and flights, that was the time period where I was most concerned because there was a lack of sleep and a lot of flights and early morning flights on game days but fortunately no issues during that time. Did you just have to put the cigs down for that run? No cig smoking? Yeah, I get it. Well I should have thought of that back then. Yeah, get that little grovel in there. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Kenny, it feels like you have called every single sport for so long and throughout that time

So many of these sports have changed is there one sport you look at that has changed the most I assume baseball is the only one that hasn't changed as much just because it's still boring But as far as the other ones go What sports it's not boring ratings are up. I actually watch it I actually watch a baseball game this weekend So I don't know why I would pick this time to say that but Kenny is there one sport that has changed that The most out of the four major ones You know what to be honest Connor, and I don't do as much baseball as the other sports

Anywhere between five and ten games every summer on Fox, but I think baseball may be the answer because of the pitch clock in recent years. That's really sped it up and a lot of strategy changes and the Ghost Runner and X ratings. As far as the other sports, we've seen new rules and I think replay, especially in football and the NFL. When I started with Fox back in 94, that's when replay was first coming in and the technology and going to going to the to the replay rooms in the various sports football in New York hockey Situation room Toronto basketball. They go to Cicakos, New Jersey, so I think The replay video review challenge aspects in every sport

That's probably the biggest change But I would say baseball from a broadcasting standpoint, and I tell this to, I speak to high school and college broadcasting students every year, various camps and programs that I visit and so many other announcers do as well. As far as play by play, hockey, especially on the radio, but hockey in general, radio or TV, it's just a continuous action for 60 minutes. You're calling the general, radio or TV, it's just a continuous action for 60 minutes. You're calling the play, it's exciting, it's fast. Basketball similar 48 minutes, the ball's in action, but there are more whistles, more fouls, more

stoppages. Football is the most rhythmic to call. And I know a patchman in the booth for football games. And by the way, I love what you guys did during the college football playoffs doing the play by play, you know know right down on the field that was very entertaining but football it's one play and then it's 20 or 25 seconds for the analyst to come in it's another play 20 or 25 seconds baseball the balls only in play 8 to 12 minutes during an entire game so if you're up in the booth there's a lot of downtime to fill so I think it's the challenging, but the pitch clock has certainly sped it up over the last several years.

I've spoken to baseball announcers, Howie Rose in New York who does an unbelievable job with the Mets and called NHL games for 30 years. He said calling baseball now almost feels like a hockey game because of the speed between pitches and you have to be right on it in case the next pitch is thrown. There's not as much time to tell stories in between pitches and in between outs. Okay, sorry, you just blew my mind there with that eight to 12 minutes of actual gameplay

in a four hour baseball game. I tried to do the percentages there. So you do the math, eight to 12, put it at 10. Baseball game is what, 240 minutes, four hours? No, two and a half hours four hours now with the pitch clock two and a half to 40 they used to be three hours I might have told you this story the last time I was on I once worked at 20 in in-game never went to the bathroom oh yeah you dumped your pants pants. These days it's about two and a half hours with the pitch clock but that's they've done studies it's actually only eight to twelve minutes that the ball's in play during an average baseball

game. I'll tell you I've been watching more baseball just like Connor mentioned there ratings are up across all networks for baseball I think it's because their superstars are playing well, but I guess it isn't a high. It'll never be never be called a high action sport. You know, never be no college baseball though had some action. I don't know the world series last year. It was awesome. It depends too, because like if if you get like a pitcher's duel, like personally, like I think that is incredibly like watching skeins and he's just mowing people down. You got to think like a lot of those balls are Never getting put into play. I love watching you know what I mean like and that's that's a super entertaining brand

It's just like you can get some nights where so many seats Yeah, a lot of empties so many open seats right behind the plate to name He just needs to very watching him. He's so good at baseball. Go the Yankees, buddy. Winning record since Don Kelly's taken over. They're playing salty ball. Yeah, that's right. The pirates are getting hot at the right time. Don't look now.

Don't look now. Only got about a minute. That's a beautiful ballpark in Pittsburgh. Love that place. Don't you think they should sell the team though, Kenny? I probably haven't followed it as closely as you have. So I just love. I haven't been there a while for baseball But love working games beautiful setting there Kenny. I put you in a terrible spot there

I put you in a bad spot there to say that and I apologize Are you looking to buy the team? Pirates no, I don't there's That's few decades away We gotta get really lucky to be able to buy a team like the Pirates are how expensive it is The problem is the guy that owns it. He knows that too. Yeah, and he's just sitting there on fat cash He doesn't care about making a team better. Even though we got a guy we got the guy but speaking of that We got the guy he's playing well show he's playing well Aaron judge is playing well

It's like all the stars are playing well across baseball. It's a good time to be a baseball fan It's also a great time to be a hockey fan Especially if you're from South Florida D bud has a question for you as Pat mentioned South Florida kids still a resident down there So in that bubble at least the sport has grown in popularity Immensely, I'm even seeing in my neighborhood, you know hockey nets on the street that you would never see 10 20 years ago Have you felt that all in your personal life as a commentator? Now more people just talking about hockey because I feel like the guy, half the guys in here probably grew up hockey fans, but most guys, casual fans of sports, maybe that wasn't the case.

Well in South Florida, absolutely. You know, we've been coming down here for the last few years to do playoff games, but I've been coming here ever since the Panthers entered the league in 93. And they did go to the final in 96. But after that, they went 25 years without winning a playoff series. And the building was half empty for a long time. And what they've been able to do over these last four years,

they won the President's Trophy, best regular season record. Then they went to the Stanley Cup final against Vegas won the cup last year so it's been an unbelievable four year stretch and uh Vinny Viola and his wife Teresa they own the team the general manager Bill Zito they've all done an unbelievable job uh promoting the sport of hockey here in South Florida over this recent stretch and now they have a a great new practice facility. I was just over there this morning. It's in Fort Lauderdale, about two miles from the beach. So a lot of the players live in that area.

Head coach Paul Maurice said he lives two blocks from the practice rink. He rides his bike to practice every day. Some of the players drive golf carts. So it's really become a destination in the NHL because of the way they treat their players, the weather, and just the level of talent that they have on this team. You know, they were an excellent team when they won the regular season title, but then they trade for Matthew Kachuk.

And that, you know, as far as culture, that just added to it. You know, the type of player and person that he is. He's out there, you know, amongst the fans promoting the sport. And they have a superstar captain in Barkov and a superstar goalkeeper in Bobrovsky. And then they bring in a Brad Marshand and a Seth Jones prior to the deadline. And here they are three wins away from another Stanley Cup. But you could sense, you know, all the games are sold out now.

There's so much talk about hockey in the South Florida areas. We've certainly seen that here. But you look at the Wayne Gretzky influence, you know, he goes to LA in 88 and gets to a cup final in 93 and all of a sudden kids in California are playing hockey. Kids in some of the other warm weather states are playing hockey, the Sunbelt states. And now you look around, you have two teams in Florida that have gone to the final six straight years. Tampa Bay Lightning, three straight years, and now the Florida Panthers, three straight years. The Dallas Stars have been to the conference final three straight years. They won a cup.

They won a cup back in 99. Vegas won a cup two years ago. two teams in Southern, California The Kings won two cups the Ducks won a cup back in 2007. So you know once Wayne went out there and you know, he's he's such a humble man, you know downplays it but that trade of Gretzky from Edmonton to LA really set the table in the United States for These Sunbelt teams who have all had great success yeah, it was a It was a great move for hockey to get Wayne. Oh down there Wayne was emotional about leaving Edmonton. Yeah I like you didn't want Wayne was a yes Yeah wound up and he's still beloved in Edmonton. We were just up there with him for games one and two He's got a statue outside the arena

Help leave the Oilers to the four cups, and then they won a fifth after he left in 1990. They still had some of the other superstar players, but he played such a large role, you know, obviously, in the success in Southern California, and then all these other Sunbelt teams coming in as expansion teams, and you could throw in Nashville into the mix,

and Carolina, you know, moving down from Hart Hartford and all those teams have enjoyed great success hockey's the best hockey is awesome I'm happy more people are learning about it, you know, hopefully more people get a chance to play it. Obviously, it's expensive Hopefully able to figure that out going forward to get more people on the ice I liked hearing there's hockey next hockey nets on down there in South Florida. It's a great game. It's a great sport. Hey Gumpy, what are they saying about Texas hockey down there? A lot of people playing hockey now, huh? Because DeBoer is running the show down there. DeBoer got shit-can'd actually. Turns out when you bury the franchise goalie, one of the best goalies in the league, they probably don't like it very much. So thanks for the good times Pete but hit the bricks pal Yeah, you brought up Dallas as you brought the Dallas stars

We got a guy in the back who is a Dallas stars fan from Victoria, Canada So I mean you piece that together However, if you want he also likes the Miami Dolphins and he likes the Boston Red Sox So he likes the Red Sox the Miami Dolphins and the He's got every corner of North America covered with those teams. Yeah, I didn't even think about- No, Dallas. Go ahead. Dallas is happy.

Yeah, great runs. We did the conference final there two years ago, or I should say last year against Edmonton. Yeah, they made the change. We all know what took place with the board pulling Ottinger in the last game of the Edmonton series, game five. And their general manager, Jim Dill, came out and said, it's time for a new voice. And Paul Maurice was asked about it.

He and Pete DeVore are very close. They played junior hockey together, uh, 30 years ago. And he said, you know, Pete will definitely get another job. He'll probably win. The Jim Nils said, Pete will probably win a Stanley cup final wherever he goes next, but probably won a cup. He's been to the conference final, I think, six of the last seven years,

and he's brought two other teams to the cup final. So he's a great coach, but you know, Pat, AJ, you guys know how it is in pro sports. I think the average life cycle in the NHL for a coach is probably three years. There are so many changes every year, and we'll see who the Dallas Stars wind up hiring, but they've had a great run, but they haven't been able to make that final step into the cup final.

On that note, good luck to Coach Solly in New York. Thank you for the time in Pittsburgh. Fired from Pittsburgh, signed the biggest contract in the history of coaching the next day for the Rangers or whatever. Just like that. Yeah, he's a great coach, great man. He was in New York as an assistant before under John Tortorella So looking forward to the Mike Sullivan era in New York with the Rangers. He brought us a lot of good times That's very good You talking about me? Yeah, I'm talking about yeah, Dan Yeah, that's not yeah. He was a Rangers assistant. That's the new coach in Pittsburgh. He was a Rangers assistant

I've heard a lot of good things about him from, uh, people who are around some of his junior teams that he coached, uh, coast in the U S national development program, so he's one of those up and coming coaches is in his early forties. Yes. Um, have been identified, you know, at a young age, you look at Spencer Carberry and Washington and the job that he's done as a young coach in the NHL just won the Jack Adams award as coach of the year, Chris Knobloch in Edmonton,

his second season, his second trip to the Stanley Cup finals. So the Penguins certainly hope Dan Muse can lead the Penguins in the same direction as Carberry and Knobloch have done with their teams. I think a lot of people wondered about the framing of the photo of Dan Muse and the announcement of him being the new head coach.

Yeah. You know, had him looking off to the side there. Could have had some sort of- That's his best- Maybe a better photo of Dan Muse. Action shot. He's looking down at the goal to the left side of the ice. Oh, I got it, because that's where we're scoring on.

Bingo. Big brain. Right. A big brain. Huge brain. Him and Dubas are going to do a great job. A couple young lads. A couple young lads there in Pittsburgh are going to do a great job. Couple young lads. Couple young lads there in Pittsburgh are going to turn it all around.

No Marco Stern. No, it's Sidney Crosby told me a big night out. Couple more years we're going to be doing exactly what we're doing here. Packing this place out. Having a good time chasing Lordo. Muzy is going to take us there brother. Don't you worry about that. Yeah, I don't know about that.

Let's talk about you and your career. You said in 1990 you were maybe seven years old whenever you got your start We believe that you probably could have been able to do it as a seven-year-old Obviously because the family in which you come from tone as a question for you. Yeah Kenny I believe I saw recently that you passed your father for second most Let me get it right here all time and national calls at close to 1500 games was which is just absurd. All four major sports, obviously. Now that you're doing hockey right now, is hockey,

you talked about it being the most action for sure as in the booth, but is it the most fun sport to call? So a couple of things there. It's amazing that there are people that keep these lists of games called by announcers. There's a gentleman named Tony Miller in the Midwest who has a site on social media. It's called Unnecessary Sports Research. And he keeps charts of every sport, play-by-play announcers, color analysts, sideline reporters,

etc. So it's fun to check it out and see what those numbers are. And yeah, last week, I guess I pulled into number two. This is for NFL, NHL, NBA, and Major League Baseball national broadcast. It doesn't count the local broadcast. I think that would be too hard to keep track of. For example, I've probably worked over 2000

national broadcast, sorry, local broadcast as well. Three years in Washington and now 29 years with the Rangers. But that's the national list and it includes the other sports, like I said. Does it include, for example, college basketball, boxing, that a lot of others have done, but it's a huge honor to just be a part of that list and see some of the other names that are on there. Dick Stockton, number one on that national list of the four sports, but very fortunate to be involved

in all of them with Fox since 1994 on football. And like I said, some baseball during the summer. NHL on NBC for many years, Olympic hockey, which we're looking forward to again next year. And then NHL on TNT with an amazing crew, uh, for the last four years and also do the Rangers and some mixed fill in an MSG. So lucky to be around great people, uh, as far as my color analyst, the, the, the executives, the production people.

Uh, but yeah, crazy that it's that many games. It does not include, uh, the college wrestling event I did back in the mid nineties. That's probably the one event where I felt like I had no clue what I was doing, even though I prepared and talked to an Olympic wrestler, Jeff Blatnick, and, uh, had a great color analyst that day. And, uh, that was probably the one I've done. I've done some other sports at the Olympics, uh, water polo track and field volleyball, but

the college wrestling, probably the one where I really felt like I had no clue what I was watching. What the hell did he get a point for there? Points fly and he gets up, they put him down. Was that Matt Madness? You called Matt Madness? This was the ACC, speaking of college sports, it was the ACC wrestling championships in Chapel Hill back in

94-95 When I was seven I was calling games into a tape recorder in my bedroom at home So I was doing it back then worse. Do we have those saved? Do we have those tapes? Have some of them I do I do. Oh, that's amazing. I can't wait I could bring them on the show next time if you like, I might, I do. Oh, that's amazing. I can't wait for you to bring them on the show next time, if you'd like. It might scare some people away. We would love that.

I just assume whenever you go into all the Hall of Fame's, they will have that in the intro videos. We appreciate your service to sports. You're the man, we can't wait to watch you tonight. Well, thanks so much for having me on, Pat, AJ, the rest of the gang, really appreciate it. A lot of fun and hopefully game three is just as exciting as games one and two.

We assume it will be because hockey is awesome. Just like you and your entire TNT crew. Tell everybody we said hello. Ladies and gentlemen, the man, Kenny Albert. Hey. Why'd they put Muse's photo like that? I don't know. What do you mean?

What do you want it to be? You want it to be lifting weights or something? Yeah. Maybe. Him skating maybe skating maybe maybe come on the ice. There's anything but this one. I think yeah He does look like a no-nonsense son of a bitch though. Yeah. Yeah, it has no nonsense. I saw him in a movie one time Oh, was it Slenderman? Yeah, I bet he's some okay. He's in those porno films you watch Tony the NHL put She's the least damage. I'll put this post out the penguins are fired. Okay Coach we appreciate you coach

Appreciate you coach Mears. What the hell? What are you talking about? The guy's the head coach of Pittsburgh Penguins. Built this guy in the loser lab it looks like. What? Come on. That's not true. I just got a text saying that

Big Pop out of the entire chow hall. Nice. Whenever I said I'm not gonna be no waddy. Then I believe they all called me a waddy. They got TVs? They got TVs there? In the DI. Okay. There's a DI. They got TVs. They got TVs there in the DI. Okay. There's a DI.

Yeah. The recruits watch the TVs and then they have to act out what's happening on the TV. The recruits. I the recruits eyes do not have any sight of a television. Those recruits man. I'll tell you. I appreciate it. Hell yeah.

I do appreciate it. Yeah, I do. We need them. Yeah. appreciate him. Hell yeah. I do appreciate him. Yeah. I do. We need him. Yeah. Oh yeah. Ura. Hell yeah. Er.

Kill. Slay. Break chains. So many little. Yeah, oh yeah. Just listening to them bop phrases back and forth around time. Da da da da da.

So many bad asses. So sick. One place. Felt very safe there. You know? I could see. That's one of those places You're just walking around. It's like all of these people all of them could just handle whatever whatever So remember that whenever we think man, this world's gonna shit

We don't have it we we got Marines and I assume the other branches of the military are saying the same thing But with these eyes what I've seen we're in a good spot for a long time packed out too that's good that sold out you know yes no vacancy no vacancy it's going through there and I guess summer is the big time you know because high school gets out of school and then it goes through there so the amount of camps that are going on right now currently at this moment I think of the weather, the weather in December there for their training. It was so hot. So I,

so, so I mean, I got burnt pretty good. I mean, I got, I got lit up pretty good. Who's the asshole in a tank top? Oh, I shouldn't be wearing it. You're just going to get burnt. You look like a fucking idiot. You told me to wear what I wear. Yeah, I was told to dress as I dress.

I had so many questions going in, I'm like, what should I wear? Who am I allowed to talk to? They're like, just be yourself and wear what you would wear. And I go, you know I dress like an asshole. So I just wear what you would wear. All right, go down there. So much room for sand fleas.

Oh yeah, I bet. So much surface area. So many mistakes made. Sun beating the shit out of me, sand fleas. Oh yeah, but so much surface area. Oh yeah. So many mistakes made. Sun beating the shit out of me. These fleas. As I'm standing there on the yellow footprints. Okay. Seven, whatever am. Been up for four hours already. Holy shit. Is this the longest day of all time?

As I'm standing there, first sand flea of the day. I've heard about it. I've heard about it. I heard that these things are real. As I'm standing there first Sam flea of the day I've heard about it I've heard about it I heard that these things are real as I'm standing there right on cue just right to my face and I'm like oh can't look at old buddy. Where his hands are big deal right there. Says a lot right there. Where his hands are. Great boss. When I say ears, you say open sir.

Do you understand? I sir. Yeah I sir. I sir. Ears. What? That didn't sound like ears. I didn't sound anything like ears I

snap sir When I say eyes you snap your head and you say stop sir do you understand? I sir do you understand I sir yeah, I sir I sir I fuck I forgot Snapsnaps are damn back to the beginning I know I don't I couldn't imagine 18 years old Yeah Boy, you know why they call yellow there piss your pants

And I was pretty close Soon as he cuz I didn't see him the two took me I had to took me out of the van. There's a van him the two took me I had to took me out of the van there's a van over back his shoulder there like that way and I got pulled out of two guys you know get to the thing I get there all of a sudden old buddy here comes walking out of sites unknown I've not seen it's like oh this is the fucking one here this is Stone Cold Steve Austin coming in so I didn't know what he'd look like while I was looking ahead. And then whenever he got in front of me, I was like, this

guy's fighting no fucking game. Obviously, there's a little bit of spit going. Sure. You're worried if no, don't move. Don't move. Then he go from there to the in front of the silver hatch was in front of the building. That's like, let's say 15 yards, 20 yards. They're telling me to hurry up to get there. So I'm like, do I run? Am I supposed to run? Yeah. First, what are you? No, run, do not run. I guess if I would have ran, it would have been a big speed walk.

I think you're supposed to make it look, so it's a little, Hey, you know, and then they're like dirty dirty stores, the entire thing. I'm like, I should not be standing here. I kind of this is like a very important thing. And then across the top, obviously, which I did not even look up and see because I was scared if I lifted my head up like this, I was going to get up from the other two. So I didn't. So as he says, move for me to walk through the doors I literally ask I'm

not going and I this way I go around like move move move move move they were I mean I was in it I was a recruit there sit down in these steel chairs or silver chairs only one in there so that means a lot of eyes on the all three of them sit down stand up sit down I sir stand up. I sir sit down. I sir cuz he tells me only to listen to him Okay, a little bit of a mind fuck outside He told me you will listen to me and only me going forward. Do you hear me? I sir, okay? So we get inside. There's two of them sitting in front of that desk right there. Oh shit. He's telling me to sit down So we get inside there's two of them sitting in front of that desk right there. Oh shit. He's telling me to sit down

So I sit down other one comes in stand up. I'm like well. I was told Can you follow orders enough yeah For the trick is this is this uh I don't that is Simon says that ain't a little bit So I be right I stayed down. I'm like nope almost in this guy so this guy says stand up and I don't even I didn't budge and then the guy goes stand up you stand up you say I sir you sit down you say I sir do you understand I sir yeah I sir I sir sit? I sir. Yeah, I sir. I sir sit down. I sir stand up I sir sit down. I sir do you understand? Oh, don't stand up And you know if you would have stood up originally he would have said I told you only to listen bingo Yeah, yeah, I was in the middle of I mean there was certainly something. It's it just meant

When I say ears like like Elon get it, you say open sir. Do you understand? Say aye sir. Aye sir. Say it louder. Aye sir. Is. Are you saying yes?

You probably got different accents too. Oh, and then they all lose their voice. You know, so they all have like a. Like a coach's voice probably. Yeah, like very much, but it's loud and it's very I mean it is they are. That's exactly what it is, by the way. I realized quickly that all disciplinary coaches are just trying to be what's happening there.

Like that is how they are, you know, one person, baubles bringing the pants out to the line. Oh, guess what? We're all doing again, all of them back. You know what I mean? Like all you need is just one person. Oh, buddy's arms aren't straight. So now everybody has to go back.

Oh, buddy's left leg was not at attention. So now everybody has to go back. You know, it's like, oh, this is what football coaches are like, it was very obvious like, but that, that, that one's like, you know, though, they don't want anything slip. That's the thing. Yeah. They don't want anything slip. Like you's like, low one. Yeah, low. They don't let anything slip. That's the thing. Yeah, they don't let anything slip.

Like you can't, can't give up an inch. Hills, hills, hills, hills. Good coaches. Little things, they always, hey, little things. Little bit for us, it's like we lose the game. For them, it's life and death. Yeah. Yeah.

Did you feel like you were in like a scared straight episode? They have that action. Yeah, I did. And I could, we talked about this earlier, like, I don't know if they still do that or not, with like you either go to jail or juvie or you go to boot camp. But like that should be something that should still be,

because I feel like that can really, I think it straightens you. I think you're not you're forced to scared sure holy fuck I wasn't either stay in and take it or go to jail like that's the thing too like you gotta make a choice yeah but then at the end of it we got yeah I saw the end I saw the end of it and it was like all of them we are in this it was it was like a really cool thing to kind of see the first day pick up which I saw I forget which group it was

D adult whatever that saw their first day and then I saw the graduates and then I saw in between it's like you can see it like kind of happening through the meticulous accountability on everything and then by the last day they're all i mean everybody uniform the exact same walk talk breathe talk like the way they i think even i think even their mannerisms are all the exact same and it's like that's what they're creating yeah building machines yeah we make Marines. It was an honor to watch Thank you to all of them for the hospitality and thank you to the Marines for being the Marine still and thank you to Sergeant that was yelling at me. I didn't get a chance to meet him afterward. They kind of He did not

He viewed me as a recruiter. Yeah I think he's leaning over. He's leaning over. He's leaning forward lean. He's telling me to say, I sir, louder. You know, because I didn't say I sir loud enough. Did they ever bump you with the brim of their hat? Like get real close to you and start bumping your head?

So the, they used to actually have swagger sticks, I believe, is what they were called back in the day, which drill instructors had, which is like, I guess, a ruler that nuns used to have at Catholic schools. Yeah. I guess they used to be. Not anymore. Not anymore.

There's no, it's all. That's one of the things that is verbal. What's that? That's one of the things that didn't make it. Yeah, I guess those are getting pretty., yeah, they're abusing a bit I mean just like the nuns just like a nine started, you know cracking hands a little bit I assume at a time there's a little bit of that but it was I Mean the drill instructors might be the baddest motherfuckers I've ever seen

Just all from 4 a.m All the way. I'm sorry from 4 a.m. all the way I'm sorry 330 a.m. because they were even doing pre shit for those who were on fire watch which terrible I don't know how they got picked three people that were in the Charlie company there three people that were 11 days into it and they were forced to watch you know we'll look out and it's like they roll right into that the lights lights lights like they've been up for the last, oh buddy. But we appreciate them. Yes, we do. Oh yeah. And I'm thankful it exists. All right, we'll be back tomorrow.

Be your friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Team on me, team on three. One, two, three, team. Good night.