The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1358 - Quentin Richardson, Shams Charania, Jeff Teague, Udonis Haslem, Darius Butler

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello beautiful people and welcome to beautiful Indianapolis, Indiana on this NBA finals. Wednesday, June 11th. This program starts right now. Finals! Are happening for the first time here in Indianapolis, Indiana in 9,126 days. It hasn't been since the year 2000 that this beautiful state of basketball has hosted in NBA finals with this beautiful piece of hardware This one behind me not real this one actual Larry O'Brien trophy. I will do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Don't be scared. Do it. You got it. Yeah!

Starting point is 00:00:49 Hey, hey, hey. Yes! Yes! Whoo! So shiny. I don't love it, but last year, I didn't touch it, and the Pacers lost in the Eastern Conference Finals. This year, I get an opportunity to touch this beautiful, gold piece of legacy making hardware that will transform this city into not only being the state of basketball, but the franchise of basketball.

Starting point is 00:01:13 Tonight, in a series that's tied 1-1, where the Pacers won into Oklahoma City, stole game one, lose game two. Tonight, our city is going to be on display as Game Bridge Fieldhouse is about to be upside down. SGA is obviously a living legend who is an MVP and a superstar in this league for a long time. There's a lot of beasts on that Oklahoma City team, but in this city, on this day, in this state, I think tonight's going to be a a great time the man talking shit right there NBA veteran friend of the program co-host of the knuckleheads podcast ESPN NBA analysts, ladies and gentlemen, Quentin Richardson Who's six foot a hundred made his trip up here to Indiana this morning to celebrate this NBA finals

Starting point is 00:02:06 The toxic table is here at Boston Connor and that Ty Schmidt. I appreciate you Let's go Ty Schmidt you're from Iowa the NBA finals are obviously something that you've looked forward to your entire life But now that you're here the energy is palpable throughout the city. Is it not, Ty? Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, you know, the Eastern Conference finals, that was one thing. That was sweet.

Starting point is 00:02:29 We're talking about the NBA finals here, okay? You talked about legacies being made. As soon as we're done with game two, all the talking heads, hey, Tyrese Halbert, and this guy's not a superstar, see, we talked about it. He can't do it against the big guns in Oklahoma City. I am so excited for Tyrese to maybe, you know, have another, I don't know, 30 point triple double tonight. I think that's coming. I the big guns in Oklahoma City. I'm so excited for Ty Reese to maybe have another, I don't know, 30 point triple double tonight.

Starting point is 00:02:47 I think that's coming. I think it's in the air. I really do. We'll have a conversation about this Pacers team with Shum Charania here in a matter of moments. One half of the hammer. Dodged. Cowboys, AP Tone is here.

Starting point is 00:03:00 Tone, what are the lines we should be looking at for tonight's game three of the NBA finals? Tonight's line is minus five and a half to Oklahoma City Thunder. Once again, the Pacers are being disrespected. They were disrespected in game one with that line and they won that one. They are once again, dogs at home. They have not won a game three yet. OKC has not covered as a favorite on the road yet.

Starting point is 00:03:21 Something is going to give tonight. Yeah, absolutely. And nine-year NFL vet, a man who calls Indianapolis one of his homes travels here for four days a week all year round to do this particular program was a legendary member of in Indianapolis. There's a lot going on around here, including the official transfer of power of the Indianapolis Colts to the Ursa daughters. Casey and Kaylin and Carly did their first press conference yesterday.

Starting point is 00:03:57 I had no idea what to expect of this new generation of Indianapolis Colts. What were Carly, Kaylin and and Casey gonna be like as owners? Feels like they are setting a tone early about the standard. Then you got the Pacers doing their thing. The Fever are gonna get Kaylin Clark back soon. It feels like Indianapolis is becoming the sports hub that it's always been known to be. Trending in the right direction tonight, man.

Starting point is 00:04:21 The energy that I know is gonna be in the building, I can feel it already out here. The energy's gonna be crazy. building I can feel it already out here The team brings it the team always brings a juice we stole one and okay, I'm saying we because you know But I am a I am. I am. Hey, it's a big, big, I love that shirt you got on. Love the shirt the boys got on. Thank you. It's a big moment for Halle, man, because the superstar conversation is out there, and this is when your team needs it most, and this is when you step up and really make a

Starting point is 00:04:55 name and a legacy for yourself and the whole program as a whole. Okay, Quentin Richardson, let's talk about this. The NBA talking heads have an interesting way of doing things. You know, the old heads for a long time hated the game that is now too soft, too weak. These guys aren't this. Now the whole conversation has become who are the superstars of the league? Whenever you have two young superstars leading two young teams to the finals, it feels like a lot of the old heads, especially in sports media, have not come to respect them yet. Is that an accurate depiction of how Tyrese and

Starting point is 00:05:25 SGA are kinda being talked about at this moment? Or what are your thoughts on that whole superstar narrative that's being talked about right now? Yeah, when I played in the league, man, that word wasn't such a lightning rod. We looked at it as players, even now, the way I look at it when I talk to my peers, me and Dee, are you an All-Star? Are you All-NBA?

Starting point is 00:05:46 Were you an Olympian? Why? Do you got a Max deal? Why? Super Max? Why? If you got all of them, you can call me what you want. You can call me what you want.

Starting point is 00:05:56 If I got a Super Max, if I'm an All-Star, if I'm Olympian, you can call me whatever you want. The bottom line is I'm doing the same things that the Superstars and the All-Stars are doing. I'm right there with them. So you can call me what you want to call me, but I'm doing the same things that the superstars and the all-stars are doing. I'm right there with them. So you can call me what you want to call me, but I'm here. How do you feel about Tyrese Haliburton? Last year leads a team to an improbable Eastern Conference

Starting point is 00:06:13 final. They get swept. This year they come back. Coach Carlisle, obviously an absolute dog, a wizard on the chalkboard and also his culture and his motivation. Pascal Siakam has been a beautiful trade last year to fit into this culture. Feels like Nemhard can go, Niesmith can go. Literally, the entire team can go.

Starting point is 00:06:30 Tyrese Halliburton, though, is the, I don't want to say the engine, but basically the straw that serves the entire drink. How do you feel about how Tyrese is handling the job that he has been put in, and how do you think he is doing with his Pacers team? I kind of look at him like when I played for the Phoenix Suns in 05. Steve Nash, it was the proverbial starter that stirred the drink. We had all of these guys that could score and everything, but if it wasn't for Steve distributing the ball and making things go the way it went, we weren't as good.

Starting point is 00:06:59 That's what these Pacers are. If Halle isn't being the Halle, the great version of himself, they're going gonna struggle because a lot of those guys rely on him to deliver the ball and set them up and to get them those shots. And when you have a team like that that's predicated off that, when they stop him, it kind of stunts everything else and they gotta go to plan B and figure things out. Yeah, Miles Turner, obviously a man name that I mentioned or didn't mention in that group. He's been here 11 years, has been a phenomenal pacer. He's up, I think, after this year. We'll talk to Shams about that here in a matter of moments. Let's pivot now to the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Starting point is 00:07:31 SGA is unbelievable, this guy. So I wanted to believe the narrative that everything he did was bullshit. I wanted to believe the narrative that he was the free throw merchant, that he was a foul artist and everything like that. Watching him play against the Pacers, he might get to the foul line, but he's not like that is his entire game.

Starting point is 00:07:48 He is a weapon. Coach Carlo actually said, you can put 34 points down on the score sheet for shade before the game even begins. Do teams just concede that? Like, Hey, we know SGA is going to get his points. How do we stop everybody else? Or what is the mindset you think for that? Stopping that offense? I mean, that's what he's become. If you look at it, this is his third season in a row averaging over 30 points. He's entering a class where only Will,

Starting point is 00:08:10 Kobe, Michael, those type of dudes. And when you get started putting in boxes and classes with those guys, he's put himself in that position. Like, he scored 20 points over 60 times, 25 over 65, 30 over like four. He's showing that it does not matter. No one in the league can stop me I can get 30 on anybody. He's he's literally going about his business that way

Starting point is 00:08:31 And if he has an off night, it could probably be like 24 26. He's he's put himself in that position now Yeah, everybody compares Tyrese's stats to like SGA's and everybody else two different roles on the team. Absolutely two different players They don't even do the same thing. So whenever people talk about Tyrese and they immediately go to points, how do basketball heads feel about that conversation? I think they bring it up because there's that stat sitting out there of when he scores 20 points,

Starting point is 00:08:54 the record that the Pacers have. And I mean, that's a good point. But I mean, at the same time, who is Tyrese Halliburton? How many points has he averaged for his career? He's not a 20, like he can, but that's not really what it is for him. He's a ball distributor. He gets the, he's an extension of the coach on the floor.

Starting point is 00:09:11 He gets everything right and gets everybody situated and put people in places where they can score. I think you said yesterday, or maybe a couple of days ago, I forget, you said people see Halle hitting these game winning shots and they're like, oh, this guy is a score. That's what he is. It's like he can score. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:25 He is certainly a dog in clutch time. I think the stats are gonna come out after this season that he's maybe one of the greatest clutch players in the history of basketball. But that's not his mind. His mindset is how can we get the entire team rolling and they've certainly been able to do that. I think his overrunner on assist tonight

Starting point is 00:09:38 is nine and a half or eight and a half. So like that, I mean, that's all season long. He is the highest in that category. And then his points is 16 and a half, 17 and a half. So it's like, it's like the sports books knows what he is. A lot of people know what he is, but I think you're so right. Like him hitting all these game winners

Starting point is 00:09:52 makes people think like he's filling up 30 points a night. They want more. Yeah. And the thing about Halle, he's been historically efficient. Oh yeah. So obviously against this OKC defense has been a lot tougher.

Starting point is 00:10:03 And you talk about SGA, what he's been doing on the offensive end. Obviously the MVP, but he's a beast on that defensive end too. They all are. Yeah, he gets his hands on a lot of basketballs. That whole team, they grind, they suffocate you, and they keep it going. They're a tough, tough team to beat, but Holly got to be efficient. And I think he does have to be a little bit more aggressive early on if you really want to beat this Thunder team.

Starting point is 00:10:26 If you look at what the Thunder do, listen to the postgame comments of Anthony Edwards. He's a 30-point dude. And he was like, I can't get no shots. And he was like, I don't feel like I'm playing bad. I just, I can't get attempts. I can't get field goal attempts because the way they're guarding me, when you look, it's hard for you as a scorer. So when you cross that half court and you look at the basket and you see four other sets of eyes,

Starting point is 00:10:52 you see arms in the lane and everybody- Bopping wood, yeah! Yeah, yeah! Bopping wood! Yeah, they are! I understand what you're saying. Oklahoma City bops a lot of wood. Pause that, but yes, they do. They do.

Starting point is 00:11:07 They listen. They like, and then, like, have you looked at Lou Dort? Yeah, the Dortcher Chamber. That's one of the greatest nicknames of all time. That is a brick, you know what house. What? A brick what? A brick machine, like he shoots bad shots?

Starting point is 00:11:21 No, he is, he is, listen, that dude is a unit. And he can, like you said, he is, listen, that dude is a unit. And he can, like you said, he can move. He can move, he can move his feet out there. Like for him to be that big and strong, he shouldn't be able to guard Tyrese Halliburton. Okay, so if the Pacers win all their home games going forward, they win an NBA title, right?

Starting point is 00:11:40 They stole home court advantage by winning game one. That is just a matter of fact. So if they win tonight, obviously if they win Friday night and then they win game six, which I believe is next Thursday, maybe they just have to win their home games. How important is home court advantage? And obviously the Pacers have been able to go into other people's barns and get wins. But it feels like with what Oklahoma City's fan base can bring and what I think tonight is going to be like in Game Bridge, is it a mental event?

Starting point is 00:12:10 What is the, you sleep at your own house? Like, why is home court such a big deal whenever it comes to basketball? I think it's more so it comes down to the fans. It comes down to the fans and you being in your building. I think, you know, that's why guys work so hard to get the best record during the season so they can have that. Because when you're like, if all else fails,

Starting point is 00:12:27 that crowd can ignite you. You feeling down, you doing this or that. They get TJ McCartan on to come in and make a little diving play and the crowd goes nuts. And then like that can really ignite teams and teams can draw from that. So I think to me, that's the biggest difference when you talk about the

Starting point is 00:12:45 difference in home court advantage like that, especially when you got a fan base like here in Indiana and a fan base like there. Okay. See, these are two of the better, like more college atmosphere teams that we have in the league. Okay. So, okay. See, I think coach Carlisle even mentioned it whenever he said that our

Starting point is 00:13:00 fans are going to have to show up tonight for game three, he said we would get on a little bit of a run and then Oklahoma City fans would not relent. Like it was like it would continue. And then almost you felt like them fighting momentum for the team. And then the hoop can look bigger, I assume, whenever you're at home and you get rolling.

Starting point is 00:13:16 I just, I mean, yeah. The fact of the matter is these are, you play here more. Like all of the other arenas you go to once or twice here that you play here all the time. So you're used to it. You're used to the Like all of the other arenas you go to once or twice here, you play here all the time. So you're used to it. You're used to the depth perception behind the rim, everything that's in the arena. It's just, you just more locked into it

Starting point is 00:13:32 because you're here all year playing. Yeah, and you got John Mellencamp sitting there, folks. Exactly. Hello. I don't know if that's happening. Yo, Diddy. Bow, check, and die. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:43 Still a heater. Let's never forget that. It was like we were talking about after game two, though. Like, there were a couple moments in that game where the Pacers would hit a couple threes, and they'd cut the lead to like 12. And it was like, OK, here comes the run. And because it was in OKC and the crowd was still behind them,

Starting point is 00:13:57 like, boom, Thunder go on an 8-0 run quick and kind of just squash it, and it gets back to 20. And it was kind of like that the entire game. You felt like, hey, if this is in Indiana, if this was at Gainbridge, like that 12-point lead, maybe they get a couple more steals and cut that down to six. And then now we got a real game.

Starting point is 00:14:13 But instead, every time the Pacers got a little momentum, OK, so you went right back down and got a bucket immediately. Got some stats from Hembo here on basketball efficiency for the Pacers in this particular series. The Pacers have led for a total of one minute, 53 seconds, and a third. Crazy. That gets it done. Pacer shooting has been night and day this series when the ball moves with energy.

Starting point is 00:14:37 Shooting off passes, they're 51 of 92 for 55%. Shooting not off pass, they're 25 of 72, 35% which is what you're talking about with the Oklahoma City defense. We're able to move with pace against a lot of teams. It feels like this Oklahoma City team has been able to match. So whenever Oklahoma City scores or whenever the Knicks scored or when the Bucks scored or when the Cavs scored we were able to push that thing down the court and the other team had no idea.

Starting point is 00:15:01 They scored two bang we just knocked on a three because we're able to move with efficiency. It's like the Oklahoma City team gets back. They're able to run there. They like focus on the defensive end and making it difficult. They obviously also have days. You know, who's a great coach. Indiana has done a great job defensively when grinding out Oklahoma City possessions. The Thunder of shot one in 71 for 17 in games one and two in the final six seconds of the shot clock. So if the Pacers make Oklahoma City earn it feels like Oklahoma City's going to miss it a little bit. Will Indiana win in transition tonight? Ask Hembo. They've scored 23 transition points in games one and two.

Starting point is 00:15:35 That is nine points fewer than their per game average entering the finals, which is exactly what I just chatted about. And what Tyrese Halliburton get anything easy tonight? ask Hembo. In 73 minutes in games one and two, he's drawn only two fouls. Yeah. He has not attempted a single free throw. Wow. A lot more.

Starting point is 00:15:53 Wow. Feels like these refs are working a little bit. And then the Thunder playoff scoring margin when they're home, plus 236. Jeez. When they're on the road, minus 48. They are 0 and 7 against the spread on the road, 8 and 3 against the spread at home.

Starting point is 00:16:10 And that's because the Away fan bases may get a rough on them. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, a senior NBA insider for ESPN, friend of the program, a man who has incredible hair, and he's very handsome. Friend of the program, a man who has incredible hair and he's very handsome. Friend of the program, Shams Charania. Hey, Shami. What's up? What's up, Shams?

Starting point is 00:16:35 Get it, Shams. Sir, good to see you, man. Good to see you, too. You know, Shams, you know, you have to put it behind the cloth. You just want to mess my hair up. Crown the king. The hair still looks good, brother. The hair still looks good, brother. I appreciate the sunglasses by the way.

Starting point is 00:16:55 My eyes are very sensitive to the sun. Yeah, you're a journalist. We understand there's some softness in this entire thing. Shams, welcome back to Indianapolis, Indiana. We're thankful to have you. Look at the fans. Look at them. There's a lot more people than last time.

Starting point is 00:17:12 I agree. It was fun being here two weeks ago. I'm glad to be back. I agree. A couple weeks ago, whenever we did this, we gave about a 12 to 24 hour heads up to the city. And a lot of people have jobs out here in Indiana. This is a working city.

Starting point is 00:17:25 The fact that people showed up for us were very appreciative of it. Also this backdrop here is maybe the nicest in the city. Shout out to game bridge. Shout out to the Pacers. Shout out to the Simons doing all this for the city. Like they're rebuilding the city almost downtown. Got a new restaurant over here. I mean the Pacers are really doing here. So we're

Starting point is 00:17:45 thankful. But anyways, let's get to tonight. Any news that we need to know about heading into game three of the NBA final, Sean Charanio? So I mean, what we saw in game two and really in game one as well is like Oklahoma City, their defense absolutely stifling. You know, the one thing obviously that caught my eye, Tyrese Halbert was limping after the game in Oklahoma City. He wasn't on the injury report. Everything I hear, there's no concern about his status tonight. All I just feel is he's fine. He's going to be good to go.

Starting point is 00:18:12 But what did catch my eye again is him limping right there. And he said he had a lower body injury. I did some digging on it. I am told it is a ankle issue. Some soreness that he's dealing with. But listen, Pat, around this time of year, and Q Rich knows this, this late into the playoffs, guys are gonna be dealing with all kinds of nicks and bruises and all kinds of different things.

Starting point is 00:18:32 But this is an ankle issue for Tyrese Halliburton that obviously he's gonna play through. He's at three days in between games. He's gonna be a go tonight. Okay, so we should not be worried about Tyrese Halliburton. Tyrese Halliburton told us don't worry about him yesterday. So I don't expect to be you know that this to be an issue. But again, this is something to keep an eye on. Okay, thank God. Thank God, especially with how much shit has been talked about Tyrese Halliburton over the last

Starting point is 00:18:57 couple days. This feels like a Tyrese Halliburton game. Yeah, 21 points pretty much and 10 assists when they win in the playoffs. It is like 12 points and six, seven assists when they lose. So the point being, they haven't lost much this playoffs. And so having him play at that elite level, obviously very important for this Pacers team to win tonight. Agreed, anything out of the Oklahoma City camp or are they completely healthy and ready to go? They're ready to go.

Starting point is 00:19:21 But one thing we saw after they make that big change- Completely healthy. Putting in Kason Wallace in, into the starting lineup to start the series. and ready to go. They're ready to go. But one thing we saw after they make that big change. Completely healthy. Putting in Kasen Wallace in, into the starting lineup to start the series. I think that was a shock not only to people in the series, fans around the series, executives that are watching the series, but they kept that starting lineup in game too. And Mark Dagonal, the Thunder Coach, he's changed the lineup so much this year. What's his name? Mark Dagonal. But Thunder Coach, he's changed the lineup so much this year. What's his name?

Starting point is 00:19:46 Mark Dagonal, but we kind of nicknamed him. I think... Dague? Dagonal, but I think we gave him the nickname Dags. Dags. Mark Dagonal. To kind of simplify it for us here. For who?

Starting point is 00:19:59 You're saying for us simpletons? Listen, Pat, you butchered his name. Whoa. I tried. What? I tried my best. I didn't butcher it as bad as Connor did a couple weeks ago. I don't know. Listen, Pat, you butchered his name. I tried. I tried my best. I didn't butcher his bed as Connor did a couple weeks ago. But nonetheless, Coach Daggs changed the starting lineup.

Starting point is 00:20:11 He sticks with it. We assume he's going to do the same thing. And he stuck with it in game two, too. I think there was even some thought there, like, OK, you know, I was on the ground in Oklahoma City. There was some thought, OK, he must be going back to Isaiah Hardenstein, going back to that double big lineup. But he stuck with it.

Starting point is 00:20:24 I expect it to be the same. But this is a coach that is always going to try things. What I love about the Thunder is from one to really 10, 11, 12 deep on this roster, they're willing to go into their depth. Kenridge Williams, Jalen Williams, these guys sometimes barely ever play, but they can play. Jalen Williams can get triple doubles. Aaron Wiggins, wasn't much of a factor in game one, comes in basically as a hero in game two. Okay, so let's talk about some things from this series

Starting point is 00:20:50 that'll be off-season conversations. Obviously, Miles Turner, he has been here for 11 years. We love him here in Indiana. He got a promo after winning the Eastern Conference Finals. That was wonderful. I think he's done great things in the city. We believe he is up, I think, if our last conversation is accurate. What does it look like for Miles Turner going forward?

Starting point is 00:21:08 I assume a lot of people are gonna want big miles on their squad. How old is he and what does it look like this off season? He's gonna be a free agent and it's crazy. He's essentially, what's his exact age? Do we have it? He's 29? 29? 29, he's been here for 11 years.

Starting point is 00:21:23 11 years, so clearly a guy that is still young in age, very young in this league. There's gonna be a couple teams that are gonna look at him. The issue this off season, there's one team at Salary Cap Space, and that's the Brooklyn Nets. And so what other teams make sense from a sign and trade perspective?

Starting point is 00:21:38 I do know of a couple teams at least that are looking into sign and trade possibilities, but listen, the Indiana Pacers know, they need to have Miles Turner back. They can't afford to lose him. So he is combined for a big payday this off season. I expect the Pacers to do everything they can to keep him. There's mutual interest.

Starting point is 00:21:58 Kyle Turner! Kyle Turner! Kyle Turner! Kyle Turner! You see how surprised Q Rich is? He's never seen this many white people on beat. That was incredible work by you guys. There is mutual interest, but Pat, the most interesting thing to me is the Indiana Pacers

Starting point is 00:22:16 have not paid the luxury tax since the 2005-2006 season. By giving Miles Turner a deal that he's likely going to be in line for for they will be entering the luxury tax for the first time in 20 years I'm told the organization is prepared and expecting to pay the luxury tax next season conference finals runs this season I think they want to give this core chance win or lose in this finals they want to give this core chance to try to get back again next year get back again the year after that. We're gonna win, thanks. I don't need to win or lose shit. I'm just being realistic.

Starting point is 00:22:47 Ty has a question for you. Shams, there are some reports that came out that said, hey, there's a good chance KD's gonna be moved within the next couple weeks here. And then we started hearing, hey, guess what? He wants to go to the Knicks, even though they don't have a head coach. What do you know about the KD situation

Starting point is 00:23:03 and where do we stand right now? The Kevin Durant situation is ever since the NBA trade deadline, I think everyone around the league understood this is someone that's going to likely be on the move. I'm told the Suns, Kevin Durant's business representative and boardroom CEO Rich Klamann, they're working on his trade as we speak. The teams that are mainly featured right now that have interest in Kevin Durant to trade for him, this is ongoing interest. I think this is the focus right now.

Starting point is 00:23:30 It's the Houston Rockets, the San Antonio Spurs, the Miami Heat, the Minnesota Timberwolves, and the New York Knicks. I do expect potential, I do expect potentially some wild card teams to get in the mix as well. Because listen, this is Kevin Durant. For him to be on the market, he's the biggest domino right now that's fully available on the market.

Starting point is 00:23:53 And last season we saw his play. I mean, he was one of just a few players. I mean, he's the best mid-range shooter in the league, the best shooter off the dribble, the best shooter when you have a defender in front of you in the mid range show. He's still playing at an elite level. Obviously wants to compete for a championship, but those five teams, I'm told that's the

Starting point is 00:24:12 focus of the trade conversations right now. Talks are going to pick up and escalate between now and the NBA draft, June 25th. One other thing that's going to be a key point here, he's entering the final year of his deal at over $50 million. So whether he wants to extend what his future is, that is also be a key point here. He's entering the final year of his deal at over 50 million dollars So whether he wants to extend what his future is that is also gonna play a part Okay, so the Pacers obviously are so focused on winning a title We haven't got a chance to really dive into Kevin Durant coming to Indiana We'd love to have you here KD the Durantula would be great in Indiana also with Tyrese

Starting point is 00:24:41 Okay, D's got to do heaven me Smith just chilling, I mean. Corner. Hey, we got great apartments here, Don Don, Kevin Durant, we got great food here. And we got a team that works their asses off. So I think you would love it here. But out of those teams you just mentioned, what do you think is the most intriguing or most likely?

Starting point is 00:25:00 Well, you look at Houston, obviously they made a good run to the playoffs this year for the first time since 2000. I think their team that has the potential pieces to make a deal happen. San Antonio is an interesting one as well. And there was mutual interest between Kevin Durant and both of those teams at the NBA trade deadline. There's been interest with the Tim Rolls as well. But that would be Ant, right?

Starting point is 00:25:22 Minnesota? I mean, if you're the Tim Rolls and you can keep Anthony Edwards and you can keep Nas Reid, you can keep Jayden McDanis potentially to make a deal, I think that would be appealing for them. And then the Knicks, they did make an offer from what I'm told at the NBA trade deadline. Of course, no deal happened then. But the Knicks are going to be a team that could get involved, that are involved here and could make offers again.

Starting point is 00:25:45 And Miami, that is another team that I'm told has been engaged with the Suns over the last week. DB's team. Whatever. Yes. I expect that. I'm a Pacers fan, kid, hey. If you can bring Kevin Durant in with Tyler Hero, Bam Adebayo, I think that's another

Starting point is 00:26:02 thing where if you're Miami, you can compete. And this is a factor as well. I know the Pacers are in the East. We're not trying to talk down on the East, but there are some teams in the Eastern Conference that are viewing this conference as wide open. And if you can go get a Kevin Durant. It's not wide open.

Starting point is 00:26:15 If you can get a Kevin Durant. Who's a Kevin Durant away? That's gonna be the question that people are gonna have to ask. All right, you mentioned the Knicks there. Q has a question for you. Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of talk. I mean, obviously, they, they, they, after the season, they let go of tips. So what are you hearing about the Knicks coaching situation? Who's going to be the next coach for the Knicks?

Starting point is 00:26:35 What I keep hearing from people on the league, Q, is like, what are the Knicks doing, right? What are they doing? When you fire, when you fire a coach who made it to the Eastern Conference finals for the first time in 25 years, and you don't really, it doesn't seem like they had a direct path to a coach, whether it's someone that's available like a Taylor Jenkins, a Michael Malone, a Mike Brown, whether it's a coach from another team.

Starting point is 00:27:01 Like, this is not the first time a coach from another team might move. But as I reported last night and this morning, the Knicks made permission requests over the last 24, 48 hours on Chris Finch of the Minnesota Timberwolves, Ime Udoka of the Houston Rockets, and this morning, Jason Kidd of the Dallas Mavericks. All three were given swift denials.

Starting point is 00:27:23 I'm told, these were the reactions. Teams are saying no, hanging up. Teams are saying F no. Teams are saying like having the owner call and say, what is, like we're not doing this. And so I think like those were the reactions that I heard from those three denials. And so now the Knicks, where they're going to go from here, I think one thing they're going to keep an open mind on all these candidates. I do give them credit for trying to see what could be out there with some of these available coaches. But

Starting point is 00:27:54 again, this is a very unorthodox process by the Knicks in their front office and James Dolan, that ownership group. But if they end up with a coach that they wanted, you know, from the beginning, maybe it's someone we know. What about you, Shawns? Why don't you go coach them? Not a big idea. Big city Shawns. I don't understand how they fire tips and you don't have a guy. And you asking guys that are already under contract with somebody, that's beyond you.

Starting point is 00:28:20 How do those calls usually go? No. It's usually, can we have permission to interview your head coach? Who's the last coach to get traded? All of these guys had multiple seasons on their contract. And yeah, you're right. Jason Kidd got traded from the Brooklyn Nets

Starting point is 00:28:38 to the Milwaukee Bucks over a decade ago for a second round draft compensation. This time around Dallas said no Jason Kidd is staying with the Mavericks he's not going anywhere. I don't know if now would be the time for Jason Kidd to want to

Starting point is 00:28:50 leave the Mavs. I think if you talk to him middle of the season after they trade Luka away I think you could have got him potentially out of there. But with what they're building shot the Niko down there too by

Starting point is 00:28:58 the way. Niko might have this whole thing figured out legitimately down in Dallas. They might have a squad Jason leaving right before that would be wild. I appreciate the fact that James Dolan is basically just

Starting point is 00:29:08 seemingly flying by the seat of his pants right now. We'll find the right guy. We'll get it done. Q Rich I have a question for you. Tibbs gets fired because players the coaches get fired in the NBA because players don't like

Starting point is 00:29:17 the coach. I don't understand like the power structure of how this works. Tibbs got fired because Dolan didn't like him. What do you think the thoughts are and how or why he got

Starting point is 00:29:26 removed? I don't know the real answer to that. But I mean from the from the from everything that you hear and it sounds it sounds like that came from above. I mean you know I'm saying when

Starting point is 00:29:34 you hear from the players they all signed off on loving Tibbs like Jalen Brunson and company. But from what I hear from you know the streets is talking it sounds like Dolan wanted it to be done. It sounds like he wanted it to be over with and he wanted to go in a different direction.

Starting point is 00:29:49 Because Denver firing their coach and GM when they did, what, eight days before the playoffs started or whatever. It's like, who did that? How did that come to be? And then now I guess you're still asking questions. Because in my eyes, the way I view the basketball league, basketball players is like, they're in charge. The head superstar on the team has more power than everybody else.

Starting point is 00:30:08 I'm not saying that's different than the NFL with quarterbacks. I think there's a select amount of quarterbacks that obviously have more say than anybody else. But in the NBA it feels like the superstars have more power than maybe any other sport. So it's like whenever Malone gets fired I just assume well the players had to sign off on this for this to happen but we never really get an answer either. New York is a very special place though, so I don't know if all of the rules to go for everybody else go for them. Happened in Memphis though. It's a different place.

Starting point is 00:30:34 Memphis did it, Denver did it, but listen, Denver, Josh Cronke in that organization, the governor there, he put his name on it, he's been doing it, he's been in the media. He's been very upfront about why they did it. And listen, it led to some success. He felt like the team wasn't gonna make a run unless they made a change. They made the change, they got to the second round,

Starting point is 00:30:54 one game away from the Western Conference Finals. This is a different situation. There hasn't been much, of course, coming out of the Knicks. But listen, they have always moved in shadow. They've always moved in this cloak of secrecy. But now is a point where you get denied by three teams in the span of 24 hours. Yikes!

Starting point is 00:31:11 And like to get three coaching denials in the span of 24 hours, that's not something that bodes well. Desirable, yeah, that's our desirable favor. But what did you expect? See, that's the thing, is like these coaches are under. You can't expect that you about to go take somebody's head coach and they just gonna say, sure, take them.

Starting point is 00:31:28 Like what? No. I think these teams are taking offense to it to an extent. As they should. That's my feel for it. As they should. Because again, these guys are in a contract. Whoa, whoa. That's how a lot of people feel.

Starting point is 00:31:39 Whoa, whoa, whoa. Now, I'm not saying that's how we feel. There's a chance. The words of others do not necessarily reflect the words of ours. But with that being said, there's a lot of people that feel that way, and it sounds like there's more teams starting to feel that way as they continue to try to poach their players. Duck New York, yeah, I agree. I duck them too.

Starting point is 00:31:59 You've got to duck them. Exactly. The coaches are. With the Knicks. D-Bot has a question for you, Sean. Yeah, you talked about KD being on the move. Obviously, the other big fish. And I think the last time you were here,

Starting point is 00:32:10 you pegged this as the most craziest offseason ever. Giannis. Yes, that was right. That was the proper wording. A lot probably hinges on Giannis and DiCumpo and his future. And I know there are some comments. He made a broad. He's a guy that's always been loyal.

Starting point is 00:32:25 If he can win in Milwaukee, he of course wants to win in Milwaukee. His biggest issue has been how does this team stay competitive and compete in the Eastern Conference because there's going to be Damian Lillard's out for an extended period of time next season, if not the entire season. They have one first round pick they can trade and they don't have many high value contracts. So can you bring some of your free agents back like the fees of Brooke Lopez Bobby? Portis will be very very important to this team Gary Trent is another guy that I think is gonna be very important Can they bring those three guys back to the fold and how does that impact the honest is there any other move you can?

Starting point is 00:32:58 Make around the edges. I will say on the on Ndudokounmpo, unlike Kevin Durant, whoa. I didn't expect this. Bobby's got heat. Bobby Portis got heat. Kevin Durant is someone that I expect around the draft, there could be some movement with. I think there's a very good chance Kevin Durant is traded before the NBA draft June 25.

Starting point is 00:33:22 With Yanis Ndudokounmpo, from what I'm told, his status will not be tied to the NBA draft it won't be tied to free agency it's much more likely that his future plays out into July and into August in terms of him seeing the landscape of not only the Bucks seeing the landscape of the league seeing what other teams do I mean listen when you're a star of that caliber the league moves how you want it to move the league will, when you're a star of that caliber, the league moves how you want it to move. The league will move when you're ready to ask for a trade or if you're ready to then say I'm staying, I want to be back.

Starting point is 00:33:51 Of course, around the league, there is a level of skepticism because Gianni Staducumpo has been loyal. He's been there 12 years. His brand is all about loyalty right now. So there's a level of skepticism. Does he really go through with it? There's a difference between being open-minded and from what I'm told, exploring other options, actively exploring other options. There's a difference between doing that and asking

Starting point is 00:34:12 for a trade. He's in the process of figuring out exactly what he wants to do. Actively exploring other options. He's watching film of other teams, trying to see which team he could be the front-train. I think he watched film. You see what they're doing. You see where can I potentially get to that can make a deal with Milwaukee, that can make it happen. And then the biggest point is having to go in there and ask for a trade. I think everyone around the league looks at this summer as probably the period. If you're going to do it, it's now because of where they're at with their situation,

Starting point is 00:34:41 with the roster. They're depleted with their assets. And realistically, there's a team that's lost in the first round three years in a row. So can this team take a step to contend? So if you're staying now, you're probably looking at this as a lifer, if you're honest. Okay, go ahead, Q. With his loyalty, though, don't you think by him

Starting point is 00:34:59 even having this open like this kind of lets you know that I'm out the door? Because he never does this. He shuts it down almost every time. So to me, the fact that he's actually telling them that I'm exploring or doing whatever he's doing, to me, that's letting you know that like, hey, I'm definitely like, could do something right now.

Starting point is 00:35:15 I think the way the Bucs view this is, this is something that they're fine with Giannis. Like in their minds, he's always gonna be exploring every year, what's his best path. And what the Bucs are kind of selling Gianonza to Kumpo and what what other teams have essentially been sold on as far as the Bucs path is you essentially take somewhat of a gap year you retool this team but from my understanding I think John Horst and Doc Rivers genuinely believe this team can compete in the

Starting point is 00:35:39 Eastern Conference now whether you think it's it's that old adage that the East isn't where it probably you know the West might be whatever the case we'll see you'll see they can compete we'll see the East might win the in the Eastern conference and the other point is also selling the honest and to the coupon and to the Kupo arm. Can I hug it? Can I hug it? Do it. Do it.

Starting point is 00:36:09 Hoist it. Wow. That thing is heavy. That can go real good or real bad for you. I didn't touch it last year. I didn't touch it last year. I wasn't around it I didn't touch it last year. That is a good point. I wasn't around it last year. The other thing if you're the Bucs is like what makes Yonza

Starting point is 00:36:30 and Didacuipo comfortable here? And one thing that they have pitched him on also is having the ball in his hands a lot more next season. He played obviously when you're playing with a guy like Damian Lillard you're playing with the ball. He's signed his brother back. He ain't going nowhere. He's a dog.

Starting point is 00:36:43 Dog. Hey, he's a good vibes guy. That's what I'm saying. Anytime I see him playing basketball, everybody's smiling. If Yannis Adjidkumpo stays, I don't think there's going to be any surprise if Tenas Adjidkumpo might be on this roster. Okay, that's good news. All right, last question. We appreciate you taking the time to travel to Indianapolis.

Starting point is 00:36:59 Obviously, it's your job. You're getting paid to do it, but you're the best. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Shams, I loved your last answer. My favorite part being when Q Rich looked over here to do it, but you're the best. Connor has a question for you. Yes, I loved your last answer. My favorite part being when Q Rich looked over here at us like you're the biggest idiot that's ever spoken about basketball. Definitely one of my favorite moments since you've been on. But what did I say?

Starting point is 00:37:16 I don't even know, to be honest. But if this is the most craziest offseason ever, you know, Yanis and KD, that's cool. But are there dark horse teams? Are there dark horse players? Like, could we see a Donovan Mitchell type move where a team hasn't, you know, gotten over the hump? A Mobley even with with Cleveland. I know Scotty Barnes has been kind of thrown around some trade scenarios. Is there kind of other big name players and teams that might be trying to make a splash here? I don't see those three that you mentioned right there down with Mitchell, Evan Mobley

Starting point is 00:37:47 and Scotty Barnes, but there are always in every offseason, there's going to be wildcard pieces. We'll see, I don't know them quite yet. That'll go on between now and the NBA draft, but I will tell you, you have the Yanis situation and that's more of a slower burn, right? You have Kevin Durant, which I think is active as we speak. But the other big ticket item, I think, this off season is the Celtics.

Starting point is 00:38:09 And what are they going to do? And the primary focus, from my understanding, with the Celtics off season has been Jrujare, Christos Frosingas, Sam Houser, their trademark. It's Houser? Now, our team's making big offers and calling about Jalen Brown and Derek White, 100%. The Celtics prefer not to trade them, from my understanding.

Starting point is 00:38:31 But listen, if they get a big offer, they have to look at everything. And I think they're going to get offers on the three guys that they're focused on. They're going to get offers potentially on Derek White and Jalen Brown. And I think between now and the draft and free agency, they're going to evaluate what makes sense from a value perspective. And that's where they and the draft and free agency, they're gonna evaluate what makes sense from a value perspective, and that's where they're gonna move. Everybody but Tatum?

Starting point is 00:38:49 Essentially. Okay, big changes coming. Maybe Missoula is going down in New York. He's staying, Pritchard, Pritchard's staying. I'm not expecting that one, Pat. All right, anything gonna take place today? Any more breaking news gonna be coming out of the Shams Charani Twitter account?

Starting point is 00:39:04 You never know, but if it is, I'm right there. The man, ladies and gentlemen, senior NBA. Man, that's a baby. You did do that. Yeah, you did. I saw that happen. You broke out the fresh fresh Alexander McQueen. Them brand new right there. Hey, just real quick.

Starting point is 00:39:28 That height. You thought he said something incredibly dumb. Why did you give him a look about what? No, it wasn't him saying anything incredibly dumb. No. But just tell him. It's when he said the Bucks can compete in the East. Yeah, he was saying that it wasn't him saying it.

Starting point is 00:39:44 He was saying that Doc Rivers really believes that that Bucks team can compete in the East. Yeah, he was saying that it wasn't him saying it. He was saying that Doc Rivers really believes that that Bucks team can compete in the East and I don't really think they can with Dane Little not being there. So you're saying the theory that was being hypothesized. It was crazy to me. They can't compete without Dane. Where do you think Yannis goes? His style of play, can it fit in everywhere or no? Yeah, he can play anywhere.

Starting point is 00:40:02 He can play for the Pacers? Anywhere. Pacers, any... The craziest thing is my destination for... The best spot for Giannis NKD and my opinion is the same place. It's the Spurs. I think they can fit in seamlessly and I think the Spurs have assets where they don't have to completely deplete the roster and the team to where they can make

Starting point is 00:40:25 the move and still have a team to compete with. Connor's been pitching this trade proposal for Yannis with the Mavs I think. Yeah, they should just trade the number one pick for Yannis. Just one for one. They get Cooper Flag, the Mavs. They're gonna need more than that. That ain't an equal trade.

Starting point is 00:40:40 Okay, they're throwing a little sweetener. Maybe Gaffer, maybe Klay Thompson, you throw something in there, but they're talking about Cooper Fliebe in a 500 to a billion dollar type player as far as the market comes. Do they not think about that in these trades just because, Yanis? I don't think they gonna do that.

Starting point is 00:40:55 I think Nico has had enough of the trade in this year so far. I think he's gonna just, you know, the fans are pretty hyped about Cooper Flag, so. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a lad who won two Pike High School here in Indianapolis, Indiana. Currently the coach of them, NBA champion, all-star, host of the Club 520 podcast. Team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team,

Starting point is 00:41:26 team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team,

Starting point is 00:41:34 team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team, team of all, Jeff, thank you for representing Indianapolis, Indiana. So damn well. You're a legend. Get back to the city. 317 is tatted right there on your forearm. I respect how much you've given back here and remained here even though you didn't necessarily play here. With that being said, your club 520 podcast is unbelievable. I appreciate that. Yeah. Taking over right now. And you should be incredibly proud of that. Thank you. Thank you. No problem. Thank you for adding to the sports media world. Thank you for sticking around. Thank you for coaching your high school and thank you for letting the world know that Indiana is a hoop state. I don't think a lot of people understand

Starting point is 00:42:16 how many greats have come from this state and how serious basketball is. Can you explain a little bit about that? No, basketball is everything here. You drive around the city, you'll see goals in every driveway, every backyard. Basketball is king here. And growing up here, playing basketball my whole life here, I think I'm a better basketball player than most people from like Chicago or any of those areas because I grew up. Oh, that makes sense. Damn, Q. Oh, my fault.

Starting point is 00:42:41 I forgot he was here. Q, where are you from? Man, I'm from the Hunnids. Wild Hunnids, Chicago. He's from the Hunnids. I forgot he was here. Q, where are you from? Man, I'm from the Hunnids. Wild Hunnids Chicago. No disrespect, Indiana, Indianapolis, but like we not going to do that. We not going to do that.

Starting point is 00:42:57 That's how I pay these country boys nothing. Listen now, listen. Chicago is the best. We breathe that now. We do that. Pike High School, they want no problem with Whitney Young High School. He knows it. We're trying to set up a game actually.

Starting point is 00:43:18 I'll end with y'all. Let's talk about high school hoops here. The arena is here in Indiana. It's like 10, 15,000 for high school hoops. How has it been getting back into coaching high school and what are your thoughts? It's been great. Every time we play a sold out gym, I get booed or they talk about the podcast every single time but it's cool man.

Starting point is 00:43:37 It's been a lot of fun. I mean giving back to the kids, I absolutely love that. But our team should be pretty, pretty good this year. You all want it all right? No, we haven't won. It's some good teams here, you know. What's your problem, Q? I thought he won. Hey, I thought he's, hey, okay. We in real, we're in real. Y'all work in progress. Okay. I feel you. Rebuild, rebuild. You just got this. I feel you. Let's talk about the Spacers team. Obviously, you understand the buzz that's around the city.

Starting point is 00:44:03 Last year, Eastern Conference Finals, we get swept. Nobody's even allowed to talk about it almost because of how it ended with Boston. Now this year, back again, now we're in the finals. How do you feel about this particular team and the way Coach Carlisle is running them? No, it's an exciting team. I think they play a beautiful brand of basketball.

Starting point is 00:44:18 Everybody gets a chance to be great on the floor. I didn't expect this from the places that I'd be lying if I said I did after the way they started the season but uh Tarpreet's been a magnificent. The last minute of a game I mean he's the guy you going with the ball but I ain't gonna lie probably not a fan favorite right now because I think OKC is gonna win the series. Yo! Oh! In high school! Yeah!

Starting point is 00:44:43 I gotta be real. The prodigal son. The prodigal son. D-Bot has a question for you, Joe. We were talking about up here with Shams. I know you played with Giannis. I believe you told a story about how different his energy is with his brother, Rell. How do you see that really playing out for him, and where do you see him fit if he does

Starting point is 00:45:04 move from Milwaukee? I can't really picture a team without Giannis in Milwaukee, because he's just been there for so long. But if his brother is anywhere around that city, he's going to be there. And I said it the other day on a podcast, like, man, if you want to sign Giannis, you probably should sign his brother,

Starting point is 00:45:19 because they're connected. But if I've seen him leave, I'm sure he probably wants to go to a big city. So I imagine like New York, somewhere in New York, Brooklyn or. Indiana. Indiana, yeah. You guys want Yanis here? We'll take anybody, brother.

Starting point is 00:45:32 Kevin Durant, if you're good at basketball, we'll have you. Kevin Durant needs to come here too. Oh my God. He just needs to sit there just like this. So let me ask you that, who would you trade for Kevin Durant? Nobody, we're just signing him. Yeah, let's bring him in. They signed him.

Starting point is 00:45:45 Brother, and we'll give the first round pick for 2045. That's how you guys operate in the NBA. Yeah. You give it up to 2033 and the 2045 first round pick. Great trade, KD for a three-year-old. Yeah, exactly. If you was a Sacramento, you probably can't get happy in play.

Starting point is 00:46:01 Connor has a question for you, Jeff. Yeah, Jeff, I love the podcast story you told on there about pushing LeBron just because why not? It was incredible. SGA feels like one of those guys you would probably just shove at the end of the game. How would you guard a guy like that? And how frustrating is it when you know, hey, if I bump this guy, you know, he might flail back and draw a foul on me, but if I don't bump him, he's going to go right by me and score.

Starting point is 00:46:25 Yeah, he's kind of impossible to guard. He's like James Harden in the area where I play. You couldn't touch him. It's kind of, you couldn't really figure out a way to stop him. For the Pacers, I think you just got to eliminate everybody else. Like last game, Caruso had a big game.

Starting point is 00:46:38 Aaron Wiggins had a big game. You got to take them guys out the pitcher. SGA's going to get 30 points. I mean, it's proven. He averages 30 every game. So if we could eliminate eliminate everybody else I think the Pacers got a really good shot. I got the Pacers actually winning game three though. Oh don't do that. Snip snap. Snip snap. Snip snap. You're the end or you out? What are you?

Starting point is 00:46:58 Listen I'm just a fan. Okay so. He wants his good next game. Let's just see. Good game. Let's see a seven game series. So take me inside the locker room. I don't know your guys' culture well enough whenever it comes to game planning. So the coach will actually say, or you guys will all have an understanding, SGA is going to score 35 points.

Starting point is 00:47:16 So if we see him lighting it up, we still are not changing our strategy at all. We're kind of just sacrificing SGA having a massive night and then you're just trying to eliminate the other pieces? Yeah, pretty much. That's a full mindset that everybody has. I mean, I would say cute. It's not necessarily like you're gonna let him, like you do your work.

Starting point is 00:47:32 You try and make everything difficult as possible, but you can't hang your head or get down if he scores because he's proving this is gonna happen. You can't let that like deter your energy. Like, yeah, you try to stop him. You don't just let him score 30, but understand if he gets his 30 this is normal we have to kind of try and suppress any of these other dudes like you said you can't have Wiggins Caruso just guys popping up out of nowhere getting 20 and 18 like

Starting point is 00:47:56 Wiggins hasn't had 18 or 20 the whole playoffs I don't think yeah Caruso going crazy just is wild hey dog hey P Hey pies on. Let's relax dude. OK let's relax here. Indiana needs us. He understands that. Q Rich tells us that a big like kind of mantra for you guys especially if you're playing a

Starting point is 00:48:13 good a good offensive team is you bop wood. Do you bop a lot of wood. Did you bop a lot of wood. I cannot say that. I don't know if you watched the podcast but that's a wild statement. All NBA defense.

Starting point is 00:48:21 That's all NBA defense. You bop wood. You bop wood with best of. You bop wood with best of. You bop wood with best of. You bop wood with best of. You bop wood with best of. You bop wood with best of. I don't know if you watched the podcast, but that's a wild statement. All NBA defense. That's all NBA defense. You bop wood. You bop over the best one. They do that at Duke.

Starting point is 00:48:32 Like Woja Housky started that. They slap the floor by that. Yeah, bopping wood. We say slap the floor. I'm sorry, smack wood. Okay. Crazy. That's a mindset. Tonight I'm bopping wood. You gotta sign up for that. Start to finish.

Starting point is 00:48:46 I'll slap the floor. I never slapped the floor. I didn't do any of that. I'm not bopping wood, slapping wood, any of that. All that is a crazy pause. This guy's not committed on defense. I can tell. I can tell.

Starting point is 00:48:54 I can tell. I can tell. I can tell. I can tell. I can tell. I can tell. I can tell. I can tell.

Starting point is 00:49:02 I can tell. I can tell. I can tell. I can tell. I can This guy's not committed on defense, man. I can tell. I can tell. Unbelievable. Jeez. Is that what you signed up for, though? No, I didn't sign up. Ty has a question for you, Jeff.

Starting point is 00:49:17 Jeff, when we talk about the pacers, everyone talks about their pace and how difficult that is. And then you've got a team like OKC who can actually match it. How demoralizing is that when they've been just running everybody else out the gym and then you get to the finals and it's like, oh shit, this team can actually play. Do they need to maybe slow down a little bit and look for better shots?

Starting point is 00:49:35 Or how does that? Because it almost seems like they're playing right into what OKC does well defensively. Well, they got to be them. I mean, what makes the person great is their pace. They have to be them. And the thing they do have to do great, guys got to make shots. I mean, Tyrese is the head of the snake.

Starting point is 00:49:53 Tyrese got to be aggressive all the time. Like, if that's making plays for others who are getting to the basket and scoring, he has to be that. And the last game, I don't think he was as aggressive in the first half, but I think we'll see a different Tyrese tonight. Jeff, I know you're a professional legend in the sports world out of Indianapolis, Indiana. This is Mackenzie McAfee.

Starting point is 00:50:11 She is also gonna be a legend. A legend. Adorable. She's beautiful. My wife just surprised me with her down here. Obviously, the city has come out. Baby girl, you like the Pacers or no? We're doing Pacers high five for Pacers D bud has a question for you Jeff. We talked about defense

Starting point is 00:50:40 Goes to cause a different you talk about slapping the floor you play for tips I don't see a defensive mind it coach next You talk about slapping the floor, you play for TIBS. Obviously a defensive minded coach. Knicks go all the way to the Eastern Conference finals and then they let go of TIBS. How do you think, I know the players came out and spoke positively about it, which I feel like most guys will, but how do you think they really felt about TIBS

Starting point is 00:50:58 and what was it like playing for them and who do you think would fit in with that Knicks roster as it is constructed? I imagine the guys that played a lot like tips, but if you didn't play that much, you probably didn't like them. Okay. I mean, that goes for probably most of the locker room. But if I was a player that played for tips and I did and I was a starter, I loved them because I knew I was going to get a chance to make my money because I was going to be

Starting point is 00:51:17 on the floor. All the time. Yeah. But as far as him getting released from the team, I was surprised because they made it to the Eastern Conference finals. They ain't been in 25 years. But it's like, I get it too, because they

Starting point is 00:51:29 needed to play some more people. They needed some more pieces. And they needed to use their bench. And I think they had quality players on the bench. We just never got a chance to see them. But as far as I could help that team, they need a scoring guard that can also help, you know, be like a combo guard that can help Jalen Brunson.

Starting point is 00:51:43 I mean, it was so much pressure on him to do everything, bring the ball up, score the basketball, run the plays, even though they ran all the plays for him. But he just needs somebody else that can relieve some pressure with that scoring, him and Kat. Gotcha. I didn't like watching Brunson play basketball. Every time he touched it and had any space at all,

Starting point is 00:52:02 he was... It's good. Is that who he is? Is that what he's gonna be for the rest of his career? It was unbelievable to watch, especially because of his size. And obviously, in real life, I assume he is tall when he's walking around. But on the court, he's not as much. He'll go into the pain.

Starting point is 00:52:17 I mean, he's going into the big guys, creating enough space, and it's falling every single time. To your point, it felt like he was the only one really being dependent upon. It's like, can he do that for the rest of his career? Is that what we should expect from Jalen for the rest of his? There's no way he can keep that up for the rest of his career. I think he's gonna be a 20 point scorer for the rest of his career. But I think-

Starting point is 00:52:36 It was unfathomable. As soon as he would get the ball, he just knew what was happening. And up close to person, he's the guy that also gets fouls called. I think a lot of scorers get a lot of fouls called on them or whatever so that was like another thing people are calling him flopper flopper flopper which is certainly an advantage to his game but if he had he was knocking it down he was cold-blooded. It'll be interesting who the next coach is whether they still play that way because his usage rate was

Starting point is 00:53:01 through the roof. He had the ball all of the time doing whatever he wants. So it'll be interesting if the new coach, whoever that is comes in, if they take that same approach as like, give him the ball and get out the way, or they try and, you know, some guys have schemes and like sets and offenses that they run. And it'll be interesting to see who the next coach is

Starting point is 00:53:19 and how that dynamic was. I saw a lot of Knicks fans saying put Brunson on the bench and I was agreeing with them. Yeah. Put his ass over there. Everybody on the other team would like you guys to do that just so you know that as you go forward. Go ahead D-Bud. No I was about to say you talked about calling sets. I feel like I didn't see many sets and I don't know Ben from the outside looking in I would assume different coaches call more sets more set plays but I just felt like the ball went to Brunson and it just stopped. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:53:45 And I remember Kobe years ago talking about, I think, James Harden. And like, look, you can average 37, you can win the MVP, but you're not going to win a championship like that. Is that kind of how y'all see it as well? Yeah, for me, that's definitely how I see it. I mean, you got to have more movement, especially with all the guys they have. I mean, Michael Bridges was a 25-point scorer when he was in Brooklyn. We know what OG and Inovie could do.

Starting point is 00:54:04 I think you got to move the ball and use some of those pieces. I mean, some of them on Max Dills. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah, like, I mean, O.G. was the highest paid on the team, so him not to even get that many touches or to be even a part of the offensive scheme like that, I think it was kind of tough to watch. Speaking of leaving the Knicks, have you ever seen somebody be able to jump as high as Ovi Toppett?

Starting point is 00:54:21 No, Ovi Toppett is different. Is he the most explosive player to ever play? Legit. Is he the most explosive player to ever play? Have you ever seen somebody be able to jump as high as Obie Toppin? No, Obie Toppin is different. Is he the most explosive player to ever play? Legit. Is he the most explosive? I don't know about that thing. He's got a unique combination though. He's definitely a lethal.

Starting point is 00:54:33 He's got bounce. But you've got to take into consideration he has crazy long arms. His arms have a lot to do with how he can dunk so effortlessly, because the length on his arms is crazy. He did a double pump dunk in the fourth quarter against the Knicks to take the lead. Got fouled. They didn't call it because he's OB-topping. If he was anybody else, they would have called it.

Starting point is 00:54:56 But he hits his head off the rim, seemingly on a very regular basis. And he's shown up for the Pacers in a big way. It's like every player we have is showing up in their role. How important is that for a team? That's gonna have success and is that Carlisle or who is that? It has to be Carlisle I'm Carlisle is unbelievable. Yeah, all these guys got unbelievable confidence They take shots that you normally wouldn't see some of the role players I would call them take shots I think Nimhar in game one

Starting point is 00:55:20 He did a between the leg between the legs leg, step back. In a clutch moment. And usually, your star player or your go-to guy has the ball in those moments. And for him to take that shot, just let me know what kind of team they have. They have a real life, all together, one unit team. OK, Jesse. Carlisle don't get enough love, man.

Starting point is 00:55:36 He's one of the best coaches in the history of the game. I'm like, he's a championship coach. He's got pedigree. Every team he's coached always have an identity. They hang their hat on something, whatever their identity is, they show up as that. And I think when he gets through, man, he's gonna finish up and go down

Starting point is 00:55:52 as one of the best coaches ever, man. Carlisle is a, he's a dude. I agree. Wild doppelganger for Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey, that's his thing. I mean, like, even the younger, they were showing pictures of him back whenever he was with Reggie Miller when he was an assistant coach here he looks like a young Jim Carrey.

Starting point is 00:56:07 And then whenever he's now he obviously looks like an older Jim Carrey. And what he does in the way he coaches we love it here in Indiana. I think it fits the state and the city perfectly especially

Starting point is 00:56:16 with the way you like to watch basketball. Speaking of fitting the state perfectly Jeff you're the man. Thank you for representing the city. I like that. I said baby.

Starting point is 00:56:24 I like that. I said. I said. I said. I said. I said. I said. I said. I said. Speaking of fitting to stay perfectly Jeff, you're the man. Thank you for representing this city Here in beautiful Indianapolis, Indiana, it's been 9126 days since this city has hosted an NBA Finals game. Tonight will be absolutely insane. Hour two, we have Udonis Haslem joining us and others. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice that might change their life. My daughter's here somewhere. Let's go find her. See you in the next hour. Goodbye. Thank you, Jeff Teague. Congratulations Brian, you're the best coach today. At Desjardins Insurance, we know that when you're a building contractor, your company's

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Starting point is 00:57:40 Look, you did your best. You tried. The thing is, it's not about winning, it's about taking part. Next year you might do better. But I did win, Mom! You did? When it's sunny, make sure you can still see. At Specsavers, get two pairs of glasses from $149, and one can be prescription sunglasses.

Starting point is 00:58:00 Hey, the sun won't wait. Visit Specsavers.ca for details. Conditions apply. Finals are happening here for the first time in 9,126 days. It's been since the year 2000 that the Indiana Pacers have hosted an NBA finals game and tonight it is about to be electrifying inside a gamebridge field house dead center of Indianapolis, Indiana. Look at that scene. There we are very lucky to be down here. Shout out to the Simon family and the Pacers for trying to rebuild this entire

Starting point is 00:58:35 part of the city. This is one of the best backdrops we have ever seen in this state and these people have come to hang out with us. They're in their locker room. It's a beautiful day here in Indiana. These people have come to hang out with us on our last hour. It's a beautiful day here in Indiana. It could be a great night if the Pacers are able to take a 2-1 series lead in the NBA Finals over the Oklahoma City Thunder in a pursuit of Mr. Beautiful Larry O'Brien.

Starting point is 00:58:58 Yes, sir. I'll tell you what, I tried to pick this thing up earlier. It is heavy. I don't know how you weak basketball players have been able to live this up, but I do appreciate it. And we are lucky to be here. One half of the hammer Cowboys AP town is here. Tony, any updates on the betting lines that we need to know for tonight's game three? It is not moved. It's been five and a half all week long. The series price is thunder minus 550 to win the series. Now, SGA

Starting point is 00:59:22 is the same exact as minus 550 to win the MVP because if the Thunder win the series, that man's gonna be the MVP. But I don't know if you heard during the break, Hewitt was shooting. He's obviously never seen white man can't jump because he didn't talk about Billy Ho at all, but he's saying it's too windy for him to shoot out here. Yeah, a little right to left.

Starting point is 00:59:38 A little bit of right to left. See, that's the thing about you, very, very, very good basketball players. Yeah. Did you play much pickup outside when you were growing up? When I was growing up, yeah. But that's a long time ago. Long time ago.

Starting point is 00:59:49 We got keys to every gym when we're in the NBA. So whenever we go shooting a different city, we can show up at a university or a high school or maybe even the NBA gym. Right. Guys like us, we gotta come outside. Yeah. We gotta be outside. We gotta deal with the elements a little bit.

Starting point is 01:00:03 Were you not making shots during the break? I didn't make one. I only shot two. I was watching, I said the wind comment when I was watching Sean shoot, but I just noticed him. The wind was kind of carrying. Yeah, Sean's had a rough outing out here as well. My daughter Mackenzie put a couple up, put them down. She's awesome. Star of the show. Thank you. Star of the show right there. Yeah, that's the second time Mackenzie's come to the show and been on the show.

Starting point is 01:00:24 That was a real surprise there whenever Jeff, that's the second time Mackenzie's come to the show and been on the show. That was a real surprise there whenever Jeff Teague was giving a great answer. Jeff Teague, who I wanted to pay respect to, and I appreciate him coming on the show. First time he's been on Club 520 podcast host. And then right over here, I see my daughter, and I'm like, oh, oh my God.

Starting point is 01:00:37 My daughter is here, and it's great to see her. It's great to see all of Indianapolis. It's great to see the Talks at Table at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Con man, you live downtown, you pay taxes to this city. Obviously you would like to see the Pacers have a big night. Yeah, I need a big night. And we talked to a lot of exes and nos.

Starting point is 01:00:54 I'm worried for one, just because I haven't heard one Let's Go Pacers chant since we've been here. Basically, all we hear is about the thunder crowd. That's all we hear. That doesn't count, you had to give it to them. Yeah. This thunder crowd's crazy. It's kind of forced on them.

Starting point is 01:01:10 They've kind of been snoozing. In the game three, look, I'm just telling you how I see it. OK, in the game three thing, one of the game threes was on the Indy 500 day. You can kind of throw that one out the window. There's never one on the Indy 500 day. Yeah, you can throw that one out the window. The one before, when they played Cleveland,

Starting point is 01:01:26 that was the one where I looked around while I was in the arena like, oh, maybe these fans don't care about basketball. Maybe this isn't the state of Indiana, because I've been told they're loud and rompous, but I haven't heard much cheering today for the Pacers. What are you talking about? They're trying to watch the show.

Starting point is 01:01:42 They're trying to be a part of the show. I suppose, you know, it's a great way to be part of the show. Awesome. Pages chance. That'd be nice. We got the finals trophy right in front of us. I've heard obi topping chance. That's it. I haven't heard any Pascal anything else. This Larry O'Brien is going to be staying here in Indianapolis, Indiana for at least a year. Might be. I've already done too be. I've already done too much. I've already done too much.

Starting point is 01:02:07 I'm very thankful that they beat the Knicks with everything that kind of happened with me in that whole series. Sure. Like very, very happy. That's big. I wasn't the jinx, you know? I wasn't the curse.

Starting point is 01:02:17 But I'll tell you what, get a chance to lift this bad boy up. I would like to do that again with a parade here in Indianapolis. And Ty Smith, I know you've been talking about what the city would be like if there was a parade coming through town and how many whiskeys you would potentially take down

Starting point is 01:02:29 in celebration of the tie. I mean, I have no idea if you could even put a number on it. I think we might be just doing bottles, you know, because if the servers were. You're getting carried out of there. Like weekend at Bernie's, you're getting carried out of there. Without a doubt.

Starting point is 01:02:41 Yeah, that's Ty football. Without a doubt. Game tonight? Yeah, without a doubt. Carried out. I mean, you might actually have to drag me out. I'm going to puke everywhere. I'm selling the farm for Pacers championship.

Starting point is 01:02:54 Might shit my pants. I don't know. We'll see what happens, but that's why the Pacers need to win tonight. Cue ritual, Bob Wood. You pooped your pants. We've got good things happening here in Indianapolis, Indiana. Nine year and if not together. Not together. We got good things happening here in Indianapolis, Indiana. Nine year, not together. Not together.

Starting point is 01:03:06 We've heard stories of that. And also not going to judge if that's what you're into. Nine year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler is here, D-Bike. D-Bike. Hey. Speaking of bottle, it was crazy. I'm excited as well. Obviously, Ryan here, pace is compete for a championship.

Starting point is 01:03:20 My Florida Panthers completely competing for another Stanley Cup. But in the break, me and Tone just kind of passing each other. A lot of basketball talk, which we love. But boy, I can't wait till football season. Well, the game day commercial was on when you guys were down in Bloomington, everywhere else. And I was like, oh my god.

Starting point is 01:03:38 It's just so nice. Everybody's getting excited for those Chicago Bears, huh? That's what's going on. Bears, Bears. Again. This man is a diehard Chicago Bears fan. This is 13 year NBA. Thank you, Rich.

Starting point is 01:03:49 Is that Caleb Williams on your floor? No, it's Rex Grossman. The Bears are going to be okay. Thank you. Thank you. I'm looking forward to it. It's been a long time coming. A lot of hurt, hurtful years I've been enduring.

Starting point is 01:04:03 I couldn't even say anything to my friends about football. I've not been able to talk about football. Well, basketball up there too, right? Not really. Yeah. It's not the same thing. Hockey, not really. I don't cheer for the Bulls because once I got in the league, that was over with.

Starting point is 01:04:17 I was a Michael Jordan, that era of the Bulls fan coming up, and once I made the league, it was like, forget the Bulls. White Sox though? Yeah, White Sox are great too. White Sox, Cubs, Black Black Cubs, everything else Chicago. Everybody's good? All those teams are good? Yeah we got championships and everything. Since when? Check it. I don't I mean we have championships and everything and also you guys and everything and Zito just reminded me uh Chicago native as well. We also have the Pope. So, oh, damn. That's a good point. God bless. Don't forget about the fire they bought the Bear Stadium land. Booyah.

Starting point is 01:04:51 So let's talk about the NFL a little bit since we're all talking about that, wanting to talk about that. Here in Indianapolis, we're in the middle of a massive transition. Obviously, Jim Ursay passed away two weeks ago. Rest in peace to him, and thank you to him for everything that he did for the city. Thank you Jim.

Starting point is 01:05:06 And for the Colts. So many things behind the scenes that nobody will ever learn about and I'm sure his family members don't even know about because Jim Ursay would literally just watch the news, see a story and then he would have Pete Ward go and try to take care of it and then he would tell the person don't say anything because there's a you know big tax stuff and everything else that could potentially happen. So just kind of keep it behind closed doors. Don't want to out anybody for anything.

Starting point is 01:05:27 But that's literally how Jim mercy operated here in Indianapolis. So he passes on he passes on the team to his three daughters and we all wonder to ourselves, yes, these three ladies have grown up in the league. They've grown up around some of the greatest of all time at all the key positions in the sport of football and in the league of the NFL. When you talk about quarterbacking, they've had Peyton Manning here, they've had Andrew Luck here,

Starting point is 01:05:50 they've had Bruce Arians here, they've had Clyde Christensen here, and the girls have been around all of them, talked to all of them, hopefully learned from them. When you talk about front office, well, Bill Polian was around for a lot of their developmental years where they were able to ask questions

Starting point is 01:06:02 and learn from Bill Polian, who's a Hall of Famer in the general managing. And then I just mentioned a guy named Pete Ward. Pete Ward has been the CEO of the Indianapolis Colts, so the president of the Indianapolis Colts since they got here in Baltimore has handled so many different deals and negotiations and seen the league come from one thing into this mega, mega league that it is today. So when you talk about three girls that are potentially ready for the opportunity, I think the Erse daughters would certainly be ready for the opportunity.

Starting point is 01:06:27 But we have no idea how it's going to go. We saw one particular quote get sent around via Twitter. And basically everything they're saying right now is about how they're expecting to be the best. They're expecting this team to be great. They're expecting everything to get better than what it was. And she also talked about how some people have maybe made fun of her for wearing a headset on the sideline and have a play sheet on her arm and

Starting point is 01:06:53 how she's been in different various things. Her quote about that was, how do you know who's making the mistake if you don't know what the hell is going on? She basically said, I was wearing that headset so I could learn how these things all take place. She didn't play football growing up. She didn't get an opportunity to be in the huddle or in the meeting rooms. And she has tried to take every opportunity

Starting point is 01:07:14 to catch up on all the information. She said, sometimes people will say wide receiver ran the wrong route. Well, what if actually the wide receiver was tagged the wrong route and it wasn't the wide receivers fault, it was either the quarterback's fault or the offensive coordinators fault she's been on the headset for the last three years there's

Starting point is 01:07:29 been a lot of people that have questioned it but all she's done is taking notes realize what people have done gone to meetings try to learn everything about it so that when she inevitably becomes the owner like she is today she can be confident in her role here's her speaking about the standard the Indianapolis Colts and I want to let the Earthstate daughters know, the owners of the Colts, I love what you're doing here early to set the precedent. My group, we are very confident. Having said that, I think, you know, as my dad said before he passed, you know, Chris

Starting point is 01:08:00 and Shane know that they have things they need to fix. And you know, we talked about not micromanaging people, but also we have a standard here and it hasn't been good enough. And you know, winning is great, but I would even take it a step further in saying, you know, we're really committed to being the best. And if we're the best, we will win games. And I think Chris and Shane are totally capable of doing that and we're confident that they can.

Starting point is 01:08:28 I love what she's saying. Listen, we want to be the best. We don't just want to be good. We don't just want to win games. We want to be the best. Chris and Shane know that they need to do better. What did you hear there, Daris J. Butler? Like you said, it was a little more to the quote

Starting point is 01:08:41 that I heard at least. And just her speaking out on what the standard is, obviously standards is championships. And the-term commitment, I don't think she made any long-term commitment to Shane and Chris. I think they could get it done as well. But look, standard is standard. You got to get it done. This city is looking for another championship.

Starting point is 01:08:58 They're looking for the cut in. Pat talked about the great quarterbacks that we have here. We haven't figured that quarterback situation out since Andrew Luck left. So that's step number one. If you don't have a quarterback, you don't have a chance. But they've been getting prepared. My last year playing here was 2017, and Karlie was very hands on then. So I'm sure she's more than prepared to take on this role.

Starting point is 01:09:17 And they've made some great moves this off season. They really opened up the checkbook, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Brought in Denny Dimes to compete. Starting quarterback job, we'll see how that works. Drafted Tyler Warren. I'm super, super happy about that. Got some great pieces on the outside. James Taylor, one of the best backs in the league.

Starting point is 01:09:32 So I'm excited right now. It is June, but I am excited about the coach's future for sure. You made a lot of moves on the defensive side. Yes. I think what you hear from Carly there about the expectation of being the best. Sounds like she's gonna be willing to pay though, too, right? Yes. Like anytime you hear an ownership say these types of things, it's like, all right, that's

Starting point is 01:09:46 going to fall on your shoulders as well on how we're able to get these contracts done. Feels like they're ready to go all in. Yeah, I thought that was awesome. It was like, hey, listen, this is our money. This is our family's money. Like I want to know if we're the coaches and the GMs that we're paying millions and millions and millions of dollars to. Like I want to make sure we have the right guys.

Starting point is 01:10:02 I'm not just going to like, listen, I understand that I didn't grow up in the football world or I haven't been a coach or whatever the case may be. But it's like, hey, we're not just gonna throw money willy nilly around and be okay with that and just let a guy lose year after year after year. So a little accountability, it was awesome to hear. Yeah, and I talk about how Mackenzie's got some stuff to say too. Sure. She can't censor herself, she's gonna wait until it's just a digital. Sure. You know, I talk about how, Mackenzie's got some stuff to say too. She can't censor herself.

Starting point is 01:10:26 She's going to wait until it's just a digital. Sure. You know, let some things fly. She's going to be ready. Yeah, she can play the piano a little bit. She bats on it. But whenever you talk about like, and this might be the wrong way to look at it,

Starting point is 01:10:38 but I think whenever there's a new ownership or new management or anything like that, everything they do is setting a precedent. Everybody is watching everything that they're doing. Players, agents, coaches, front office, other teams, everything they say and do is gonna be magnified because it's the first time they're doing anything. A guy exits the front office

Starting point is 01:10:57 shortly after Karlie gets in there. She starts talking about standards and what she wants. It's like, I think these are all great precedents that are being set by the Earthsay girls who now take over the Indianapolis Colts. Yeah, I mean they're saying all of the right things. Like when you, when new ownership and it's not exactly like new ownership because they were born and raised and all this. So they, they know what to do. Their dad taught them a lot, but they were saying all the right things and I think setting the precedent and saying that, you know, Chris and Shane Steichen,

Starting point is 01:11:24 like it hasn't been perfect yet they believe in them same they said the same thing about AR like his start hasn't been great yet but they still they said they should believe they're not giving up on anybody yet but they're saying like hey the clock is ticking we need to get this done now there's a couple times where Carly was giving an answer as Mackenzie has exited this stage good job pretty girl exited the stage, good job pretty girl. Yeah, give yourself a round of applause. She's awesome, that is so cool.

Starting point is 01:11:48 Anytime I get to see her. Whatever, what did you just mention though? The, about how they were, they said hey, AR, Shane, Chris, it hasn't been great so far, but we still have hope in them. Yeah, so when she was talking at the press conference, you saw her, there was a couple of times where she could have went one way or she went another way.

Starting point is 01:12:06 It was like you see her trying to figure out, do I bury here or do I take high road or how do I word this particular high road? Because everything is magnified now. She's been doing media for the last few years. She's been at the owner's meetings for the last few years. Whenever you're the official owner, you could be the owner, which I think they all were alongside Jim Ursa, I think it was the family. But now that you're the acting owner, she's the one from the Colts in the room. It's like feels like she's done everything

Starting point is 01:12:30 she possibly could to be prepared. Got a lot of Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Fire it up. Oh, that's engine 11. Fire Department. I would appreciate you. Engine 11. I like that. Good line there. It feels like she is in and she's a lawyer. I think originally. So we're talking about a big brain. Yeah. I talk about a big brain.

Starting point is 01:12:53 All the girls obviously big brains, but like I think her willingness to want to learn, but there's a lot of people that want them to fail. For sure. I mean, I was looking at the internet. There's a lot of people that way. Yeah. They might be fake people on the internet might be bought. So there's a lot of fake stuff on the Internet. That's a lot. There's a lot of there's a lot of things being said in the same fashion by a lot of different

Starting point is 01:13:13 accounts. Simulator much regular much regular basis now than it had in the past on the Internet. But nonetheless, there's people that are going to want them to fail. I think they know that as well. I think they understand the position they're in, and I think they're excited for it, Kyle. And if you're some of the players on the team too, like we're talking about them talking about Chris and Stiken. But if you're a player on the team that's been paid, you might have been comfortable last year.

Starting point is 01:13:35 But now that there's new ownership and they're talking about getting, possibly having changes if things don't get better, then if you're Jonathan Taylor, I won't go there with Pimmin. But if you're some of those guys who are vets, who are ballards guys, I mean, you guys talk about it all the time. They bring in a new GM. That GM's going to want his own guys in there. So even if you're one of those dudes who's been paid and you feel like you're an established

Starting point is 01:13:55 vet and you're safe, like that's just not the reality. So you also have to ball up. I mean, you talk about new GMs and how they operate. I just broke some Colts record, went into free agency. I was told by the new GM at the time, there is no loyalty between us. I did not draft you. It's like, I thought I did pretty good. I did okay, but I understand there is an arrest, there is a mugshot. There are some tweets. I could see where you're coming from. But with that being said, I like this place. You were in an office somewhere else whenever all that was

Starting point is 01:14:26 happening. But they do. They have their own vision of the team. Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen. A lot of pressure this year. I think that's how we like it. But I think there's also a lot of high hopes because there's a lot of talent on that roster. And the Earth's a family has paid a lot of people on that roster. So for them to continue to not make the playoffs and be a winning organization, I think we'll see that change. Let's go to another winning organization that has a lot going on right now Pittsburgh Steelers have a new quarterback names Aaron Rodgers Shut up

Starting point is 01:15:04 I think that's a boo of the Pittsburgh Steelers, not of Aaron Rodgers. No, I think it's the quarterback. A lot happening with Aaron Rodgers in Pittsburgh right now. Diggs, what is your take on how the Steelers-Aaron Rodgers relationship has begun like? I mean, I don't have to get a take. Everyone saw the videos of him out there on the practice field yesterday just absolutely slinging around. I mean, look at that.

Starting point is 01:15:23 Have you ever seen a better throwing motion? That's a four-time NFL MVP. Q, do you know that four-time? Unfortunately, I do. And the Steelers basically got him from, oh, yeah, yeah. He owns Chicago. I forgot that. You don't have to say that. True.

Starting point is 01:15:36 Don't say that. He was out there slinging around yesterday. He was slinging to DK. The Steelers got DK Metcalf this year as well. It ain't easy for you to say. Mr. Metcalf. It wasn't easy for you to say. Mr. Metcalf. It wasn't easy for him. It was Mr. Metcalf.

Starting point is 01:15:48 Aaron's not some MAGA guy. But no, they looked great out there yesterday. He talked to the media. He said he's done things for ego in his past. He didn't make this move for his ego. This was for his soul. He wanted to play for another legendary franchise like he did for the Green Bay Packers.

Starting point is 01:16:02 The Steelers are very similar. Everything went well yesterday. He said it started with Coach T. The respect for Coach T that he has is a big reason why he's there. And he's looking to bring number seven back to the city of Pittsburgh. Yeah, he was asked what a championship would mean for him at this stage of his career. And he turned and said, well, this would be seven for Pittsburgh, right?

Starting point is 01:16:19 That's what it's all about. It's like, great answer. Great answer. He was also asked about a piece jewelry I believe oh it's a wedding ring thank you it's been a couple months few more here, few more. Talk about it. Hey, congratulations. Congrats, sir. Wait, wait, notable, especially when you're a quarterback. Exactly. Because it's going to be on there.

Starting point is 01:17:09 A little bit different weight distribution. Happy for it. Aaron, we're happy for you, buddy. Happy for you. Let's talk about the Detroit Lions, obviously. This is the brand new Lions. And because of that, Dan Campbell now is only 28 wins away from being the all time leader in wins

Starting point is 01:17:29 for the Detroit Lions. 28 wins, now obviously 17 games in a season. This dude is awesome. Okay, your thoughts as basketball player on like super meathead like coach in football. I love the enthusiasm. I think he translates his team like when he first came, he was talking about biting limbs and stuff.

Starting point is 01:17:46 I was crying laughing. But like you've seen different people like that in sports resonate with a group of guys. And like you see the impact he's had on that team. And I love it. Every time I see him, it's like he's the dude. Get your heart, your blood boiling and going. So Carlisle is like a attention to detail, accountability driven coach. I think he's like he's the dude, get your heart, your blood boiling and going. So Carlisle is like a attention to detail,

Starting point is 01:18:05 accountability driven coach. I think he's like pretty well known as being like a hard nose coach. How many different styles of coaching is there in basketball? Feels like there's a lot of facilitators trying to make everybody happy. Feels like there's some, what was Phil?

Starting point is 01:18:17 Phil was like a guru, spiritual. Yeah, set master. Set master. Carlisle was pretty attention to detail. Like what is the normal head coaching attitude? I think like you said, it's a lot of different ones, man. It's a lot. Some guys, like you say, really get after it and really, the coaches that I like are the ones that don't back down.

Starting point is 01:18:34 They're not afraid to get up and whoever faces. I like the guys that address the top guys first, and then it just flows down through the team. Because if you could check the superstar, everybody else is going gonna fall in line. He handling him like that, we know what would happen to us. So I like those coaches. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a three time NBA champion.

Starting point is 01:18:55 His number is retired in Miami. Feels like he could beat everybody's ass in this entire state. Ladies and gentlemen You don't And the watch. That is a nice watch. You look queen as shit. But TV ready. That suit is not off the rack. Look at him.

Starting point is 01:19:32 Holy shit. Nice shoes, bro. Look at you, you got your east-out shit today. Oh. I'm gonna put this on the show today! Thank you. No problem. Look, domesticated version. Domesticated version. You showed up to work today, boy. Yes sir, yes sir.

Starting point is 01:19:48 Got a rain going. You see that rain? I mean, wait, sheesh. How many years in the NBA in total? Twenty. Geez. Twenty. This guy's going to be collecting his 401k as soon as he's done with an NBA

Starting point is 01:20:06 salary. You look unbelievable. The championship ring looks spectacular obviously. That's what we're all hoping for here in Indiana. The Pacers have never won an NBA title. Whenever you think about the grandness of that, is that something that the players think about? The weight of that you think is on the Pacers shoulders or are they just worried about individual games? No I think the weight of it is definitely on their shoulders they understand they have a chance to make history it's not easy to get to where they are obviously I think nobody would have picked them to get this far but me loving the underdogs I picked the Pacers to win this series I'll keep the places open, too. But if it's one thing that I do think they have.

Starting point is 01:20:46 Let's go, Rikki! There you go. Let's go, Rikki! Good job, brother. Finally. Let's go, Rikki! That was good. That was good stuff.

Starting point is 01:20:55 Let's go, Rikki! OK. Let's go, Rikki! That's good stuff. Yeah, great stuff. Great stuff. We appreciate you doing that, too. Tricky Rikki.

Starting point is 01:21:03 Rick Carlisle. Yes. Tricky Ricky. Rick Carlisle. Yes. Tricky. I think Rick Carlisle is going to let these guys know what time it is. They understand the moment. They understand that they're fortunate to be in this situation.

Starting point is 01:21:11 They will not take this for granted and they will give their best version and give their best foot forward. So I'm with them. You're undrafted so I think that's potentially why you love the underdog story. I think you're also a guy that was a culture setter for teams. Yes. We have a guy named James Johnson. Have you seen this guy? That's my guy. Okay. He was my young fellow. Okay, so That makes a lot of sense with that being said I've heard he has a black belt

Starting point is 01:21:36 Everybody just says like I heard he had a black belt like he is a real deal. Oh, I've seen it first I've seen firsthand. Okay, I love that I'm gonna ask you about his role and you think the importance of it because I watched it against the Knicks. So there was three Knicks fans that were sitting front row. I just so happened to be in those seats that were next to the bench.

Starting point is 01:21:52 Felt like I was part of the team. We got a big win that night. Yes, yes. So there was a timeout happening and there was three Knicks fans that were front row. And this guy was a great shit talker. Obviously, clearly out of New York, had a little bit of an accent,

Starting point is 01:22:03 but he was targeting Tyrese Halliburton in his timeout, loudly, okay, coming over my shoulder. James talks to this man, says something horrendous. I would say something very, very, very, I mean, just a shot right across the bow. That guy immediately turns his attention off of Tyrese, talks to James Johnson the rest of the game. That's leadership. Bingo. That's leadership. Like I literally watched his role unfold in real time. Everybody thinks he's like a guy that will come and clean up or like a body guy if there's a fight. But I saw him literally take a shit talker away from Tyrese to

Starting point is 01:22:40 him. That role seems to be very vital. Also a lot of clapping, a lot of upping, everything like that. Is that the role and is that how you kind of felt throughout a lot of your career? Yes and that is a very important role to be a not only a protector but also a connector. And James Johnson is a guy who not only protects those guys but he connects those guys in the locker room. When we talk about being a part of something that I was a part of, when you talk about culture, that's a brotherhood. That is something that is not just built in practice from those practice hours. That is spent time off the basketball court, getting to know one in each other's family,

Starting point is 01:23:12 getting to know how somebody got to where they point. And also it's something that me and James always say, have enough heart for everybody. Have enough heart for everybody. If this guy doesn't have enough heart, don't worry about it. I got you. If you don't have enough heart, I got you. Don't worry about it. We'll be fine. I remember when there was a conversation,

Starting point is 01:23:28 I think about Jimmy and Spoh getting into it a little bit. And I don't remember if you came out publicly instead or if everybody else was saying it for you. You think you will fight for Coach Bolstra, anybody? Yeah, I was gonna whoop Jimmy ass. It's okay. It's okay. And I love Jimmy.

Starting point is 01:23:42 That's nothing against Jimmy. But before I let one guy take down this locker room, I'll whip your ass. That's awesome. It's very evident why all your teams. There's 15 other guys here that got the right mindset. Before I let this one guy take down this whole 15, I'll whip your ass.

Starting point is 01:23:55 So, he talked to Mark Messier the other day, and he's considered like the captain, and he was giving a speech basically for the Edmonton Oilers if he was their captain. Do you find yourself doing the same thing for teams? Because I just heard your leadership on display for that one comment, let alone over 20 years in the NBA.

Starting point is 01:24:12 Do you feel like you get in a moment where you're like, I wish I could say this to this team or this at this particular time? All the time, all the time. And that's why I got into TV because I sit at home watching games and I started to complain and throw shit at the team. Excuse me.

Starting point is 01:24:24 I started to complain and throw stuff. You're good, you're good. Oh, okay, I can say it. Yeah, yeah. I started to complain and throw shit at the TV. Excuse me. I start to complain and throw stuff. Oh, okay. I can say what? I start to complain and get frustrated at home and that's why I got in the TV because I always have something to say. Even now with social media now you can reach out to these young guys. How many young guys got DMs from me?

Starting point is 01:24:36 And I ain't sliding in your DMs for the wrong reasons. I'm sliding in your DMs to give you advice. I don't even know you, have never met you, have never played with you, but if I'm watching your game and you're not playing the game the right way, you might get a DM from OG about, that's that bull, cut it out. Could have said it there, once again, we figured that out. Would have loved it.

Starting point is 01:24:54 And I like that you're sending DMs to guys in Telonahme. On the defense event, Q-Rich has it all the time. We need to bop some wood down there. Yeah. Yeah. Bop it. Connor has a question for you, you need to. I don't know if I use the term bop some wood, but. Yeah. Yeah. Bob it. Bob some wood. Connor has a question for you, UD.

Starting point is 01:25:05 I don't know if I use the term Bob some wood, but it's something like that. You can probably take it after this. Bob and wood, everyone's doing it right now. UD, you were, I think you still are, in player development for the Heat. Yes. Do you just kind of look at a player like Pascal Siakam

Starting point is 01:25:21 and show guys, like, hey, this is how you can go through the G League, do it the right way, and then become all NBA, become a champion. What is kind of your strategy for developing guys? I am. Pascal Siakam is one of my favorites. I love using guys like Pascal Siakam, guys like myself,

Starting point is 01:25:39 because at the end of the day, you got a better chance of being me or Pascal than you got to be LeBron. That's just the reality of the situation. I think everybody looks at what LeBron is and what he's capable of, and I take nothing away from what he does on the basketball court and how hard he works. But at the end of the day,

Starting point is 01:25:54 everybody ain't gonna be 6'9", 270, and can run a 4'3", and can jump 48 inches in there. That's just not the reality for everybody. So I like to lean in on the hard work. I tell everybody, don't trust me, regardless of what I say I can say anything trust the work that you put in the work is never gonna lie to you So I love workers. I'm always gonna bet on the guy that's gonna put the work in work ethics the greatest thing on earth

Starting point is 01:26:13 It's the greatest trait to have see Ockham you talk about being 6'9 being able to run a 4-3 He's unbelievable. Oh, yeah, he's he ran the Knicks off the court. I mean, it was very clear when he did. He wins the MVP and his wingspan might be eight foot. I, it's, and he's, I'm gonna give you a guy. Who spins that shit. Reminds me of a guy you played with, Reggie Wayne. Oh yes.

Starting point is 01:26:37 You just get out there and go get it, don't you? You just get out there and go get it, don't you? I know them hurricane boys now. I'm a hurricane guy. I know all the hurricanes that came through here. The Edgeridges, the Reggie Waynes, I know all them guys. I know all the hurricanes that came through here. Edge. The Edge Riggs, the Reggie Waves. I know all them guys.

Starting point is 01:26:47 I know you didn't play with EJ, but he was here though. I love Edge. I heard Edge speak at, he spoke at Mr. Hersey's funeral. It was maybe the greatest speech of the entire day. Very Edge, very you throughout the entirety while honoring Jim Hersey. But yeah, the you has a great history here in Indianapolis. Reggie's so smooth. I think that is a great way to describe Pascal because he's just so damn smooth.

Starting point is 01:27:08 D-Bud South Florida Boy has a question for you. Yeah, South Florida Boy, first of all, thank you for everything you did for the city. Thank you, Eugene. For the organizations down here. Thank you. Thank you, Eugene. For game three with the Panthers,

Starting point is 01:27:18 even with Bam when the drum needed that big ass whoop. Yeah, that's right. To bring the energy. But we talk about leadership, hard work, work back. All that. We had a conversation, I think, about Mike Beasley. The one on one you were talking about, he was drafted to a different team, maybe things have went a little differently.

Starting point is 01:27:33 Now, I know, so like, go, heat culture, that's one of the buzzwords, almost like Patriot way in football. What is it really about being in that building with Riles? We had Bronno, he mentioned it too. What is it about being a that building with Riles? We had Bronno, he mentioned it too. What is it about building? He's 20 years, he's a lifer. So what is it about building that building that's kind of different than other buildings?

Starting point is 01:27:51 I'm looking at some of these fridges. Yon is KD potentially on the move that could potentially fit in down there. What is it about that building who can fit in it down there? The thing about heat culture is, heat culture is about something that's always gonna be bigger than you.

Starting point is 01:28:03 That's the first thing and foremost when you step into heat culture, that it's always gonna be bigger than you. Even the superstars, it always going to be bigger than you. That's the first thing and foremost when you step into heat culture, that it's always going to be bigger than you. Even as superstars, it's going to be bigger than you. It ain't going to be bigger than Riley, but it's going to be bigger than you. So when you step into that arena, you understand you're stepping into an atmosphere where you're asked to sacrifice from the jump immediately. I understand what you did where you was at Chris Bosh.

Starting point is 01:28:22 I understand what you did when you was at LeBron. I understand what you did when you were here D Wade.. I understand what you did when you was at LeBron. I understand what you did when you were here D-Wade. That doesn't matter anymore. We all have to sacrifice. So when you talk about heat culture, it's about sacrificing man and that's a foreign language to a lot of guys when they get in this position. It's easy when they say Q have to sacrifice or you D have to sacrifice but then when the coach say I got to sacrifice, this is a who me? Me too? No, not me. So now when you have 15 guys, 16, 17 guys, on the same page, one of court willing to sacrifice for one common goal, I think that's when you get

Starting point is 01:28:52 into heat coaching. A lot of times you just don't have that in every locker room because you have superstars, but we had the big three and the little 12. And the little 12 was just as valuable as the big three. And you don't have that in every locker room. A lot of times you have the superstars and the other guys kind of just hang out over here.

Starting point is 01:29:06 Now I said from this point, cause he's in a special unique situation cause he was there for his whole career. I'm a person that's been in a lot of different locker rooms and can speak to why that's different. Because when I, you remember when I got there. That's my dog. You was there the first day when I got there.

Starting point is 01:29:20 Him and James Johnson in the gym. I got straight off the plane. When I say straight off the plane, don't take me to no hotel. Now I got my bags and James Johnson in the gym. I got straight off the plane. When I say straight off the plane, don't take me to no hotel. Now I got my bags in the locker room. First thing you do, strip down, weight and body fat. Then you go run until you throw up. And I'm not, UD, I'm not.

Starting point is 01:29:37 When I got through that day, I came down in the locker room, UD was sitting there. I'm over here just laid out. UD and JJ, UD say, I ain't even gonna too much about a lot of you, boy. He's like, they trying to see if you're gonna quit. He's like, they just throwing a kiss. He's like, they throwing, you ain't supposed to be doing the stuff you doing yet. He was like, you ain't give up though.

Starting point is 01:29:56 He was like, Bill gonna take a picture of you throw up every day. I thought the workout was done. I done threw up down here at the end of the court. He come walking down there and snapped a picture. Said it's in his, what's his, what's his quote? It's a great day to work. Great day to live. So it's not like that everywhere you're saying. No, no, no. The thing that makes it different because yeah, everywhere you go. Can you win in 20, 25 like that? 20, 26? Yes. Yes. Yes, you can. Yes, you can. But like the difference is this, because like I've been

Starting point is 01:30:25 places say like, like Bill, the guy we talking about, he comes say, do you got to work out, you got to lift. He gonna tell you that and walk the way. Other places you got people is going trying to massage the situation and work with you and we can work. Now, look, this is what you got to do. If you don't want to do it, go up there and talk to Pat. It's frowned upon. It's frowned upon for the guys that quit. It's frowned upon to not be in shape. It's frowned upon from the other 14 guys. So before Pat has to say something,

Starting point is 01:30:53 before Spock say something, the guys in the locker room have already policed this situation. If you quit now, then you can quit in the fourth quarter. I don't know how you, I love that. I just got back from Parris Island, bootcamp for the Marines. Loved everything about it. But it's like that's their mindset is like we need to it needs to be hard now.

Starting point is 01:31:12 Because whenever we're out there together, obviously it's different than a basketball game or a football game. But we're going to need you when we're out there. So we're not scared of hurting your feelings right now because we're going to need it inevitably. I do wonder in basketball if in 2025, 2026 that can go because I think Carlisle kind of has a similar operation and they talk about the cardio. J.J. Reddick mentioned it with the Lakers. We need to be in better shape.

Starting point is 01:31:32 Happens in pocket. He made no games out here. Popovich before he stepped away wasn't playing no game. They had its places where there's a real culture in place. Obviously, Miami is a standard, but I mean, it's still pockets of teams around the league that they're operating that way. Well, how did it work with Shaq then?

Starting point is 01:31:51 Because it felt like, at least in Shaq's documentary, he would basically talk about the first two months of the regular season is when he's just getting into shape, and then by Christmas, he's living. How was it in Miami with Shaq then? How was it? Had to alterq then? How was it? I had to alter it a little bit for Big Fat. He wasn't on the 5% body fat scale like everybody else.

Starting point is 01:32:11 They used to put oil on. They used to try to do it. Yeah, I'll get into that. He got down to about 10%, 12% body fat, which was great for him. Yes. But he used to put baby oil on. So when they tried to pinch him, when

Starting point is 01:32:23 they tried to pinch you to take the body fat, it used to slip. It used to slip. So he probably was about 15, but after it slipped, it was about 10 and 12. But that's just when I got there. No, when I got there, they would tell the stories of how they had to get a new scale,

Starting point is 01:32:39 because he would try and hide the scale. They had to join the juo. Was it you and animals on these scales, right? This is the move. So we had guys that would be trying to get around the scale. Every had the joint. Did you, what was it? You were the animals on these scales, right? This is the move. So we had guys that would be trying to get around the scale. Every Friday was a weigh-in, so Thursday nights, guys were drinking the things that you do before you do a colonoscopy.

Starting point is 01:32:54 Just saying shit your pants out. All night, yeah. A.Q. Shipley is the person I'm referring to. He had to lose like 12 pounds every Thursday night. He'd get on a scale and he would try to sneak just one finger on the thing in front of him. You could lift off like five pounds if you just press it.

Starting point is 01:33:09 Wow. That's correct. I feel like making all these rules. It sounds like Shaq with the baby oil was the right play. That's awesome. I think A.Q. Shipley maybe should have been lubing up a little bit. Yeah, but seven foot three, 300 pound, greased up.

Starting point is 01:33:23 At least 300. I was like, yeah, you go ahead and take your body fat by yourself. I'm going to just wait outside. Connor has a question for you. With that era, you played through both of them. There's old clips coming out of the finals in 2006 and there's two guys on the block and now everyone's out on the perimeter. How was that transition for you as a player and just kind of watching the lead change as you know from?

Starting point is 01:33:46 2006 for the next 20 years I mean fortunately for me I was undersized anyway So once the league started to change a little bit the guys that could guard multiple positions kind of came into play I was one of those guys that guarded multiple positions the thing that changed for me It was one of the three-point line became the most important thing you know I'm saying it was just we don't want anything But dumps and threes we don't want anything but dunks and threes. We don't want any mid-range. So once the mid-range got taken out of the game, I think that changed my career a little bit. You made some threes though.

Starting point is 01:34:13 That was crazy. I couldn't believe that, but you made some threes. You know me, perception ain't reality. Mid-range killer. How are you able to shoot with that pinky? Oh, this one? Yeah. But I feel like that would jab.

Starting point is 01:34:25 Not at all. Not at all. Off the ball. That's just like a guy's hand. It ain't really doing much. Yeah, but I mean, that thing's not guiding anything. It's saying turn right. Just put it on the side of the basketball.

Starting point is 01:34:34 Yeah, it don't matter. How long has Finger been like that? He said that pinky game thing. Long as I can remember. Long as I can remember. What's the point to get it fixed? I'm probably going to break it again. That's what I said.

Starting point is 01:34:44 I'm just going to break it again. Jersey or basketball? Basketball probably gonna break it again. That's what I said, I'm just gonna break it again. Jersey or basketball? Basketball. Just bang? How many busted fingers in basketball? I've broken them all. They've all been broken.

Starting point is 01:34:53 Well, carrying around all those rings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're a little heavy down there. They've all been broken, but guess what? Never missed a game, never came out. Hell yeah. That's what I'm talking about. That's what you do.

Starting point is 01:35:03 Tell him that's a question for you. Yeah, UD, you've been on so many good teams. You talked about all those teams that went to the finals. I mean, as an 18, you guys went to the finals. You went Shaq and Wade, the big three. What was the one constant with all those teams on why they went to the finals? And do you see that in either of these two teams?

Starting point is 01:35:18 We weren't the best team, but I think we were the most connected team. We were the most connected team. And that's what I learned from the great leaders. I think all the leaders that I played with, the Shacks, LeBrons, the Alonzo Mournings, is regardless of how good you are, how good you coach, if you don't really mess with your teammate like that,

Starting point is 01:35:34 if y'all don't really get along, if y'all haven't created a brotherhood in this locker room, because I tell you what, it's easy to punch in from one to two or whatever your hours are, but when you're playing for a brother instead of a teammate, it just takes it to a whole nother level for you. So I think the power of connection, and that's what you guys have here.

Starting point is 01:35:50 These guys are talking about Indiana. The power of the brotherhood. You know what I'm saying? To me, that beats a talented team seven days a week and twice on Sunday. I'm taking the brotherhood. I'm taking the connected guys. Okay, you picked the Pacers in this.

Starting point is 01:36:02 Here's a guy, D-Bud. No, on that note, obviously, Lifetime Heat fan, you picked the Pacers in this here's got a D. But now what? Shit on that note like obviously lifetime heat fan you were there 2011 Heedles you go up against a Carlisle coach teams. What is it like been in the trenches against a team? That's coach by obviously I was a much different team very different makeup Yes, but I feel a lot of similarities with this pacer's team. What's it like been in the trenches? Pacers team, what's it like being in the trenches with Carlisle? Tricky Ricky, what you call him? Tricky Ricky. Tricky Ricky.

Starting point is 01:36:25 I'm telling you, Tricky Ricky is a hell of a coach. Rick Carlisle is a hell of a coach and not just offensively because we talk about what they do offensively but defensively as well. He threw a zone at us in that finals and you would think that 15 grown men can score on a zone. We didn't know what the hell to do. Went all the way to the finals and could not score against a zone out of all things. So Rick Carlisle threw that.

Starting point is 01:36:46 So you know for me, I look at Rick Carlisle and I look at that team and I say to myself, he's the X Factor. You have a lot of guys, you have Obey who's going to step up. Benedict finally got it going last game. He's the guy who you depend on offensively as well. Miles Turner got it going. But I think Rick a guy who you depend on officially as well. Miles Turner got it going. But I think Rick Carlisle is the X factor. Okay, let's talk about Dags on the other side.

Starting point is 01:37:09 People saying he's an incredible coach. Obviously he's younger than Coach Carlisle for the Oklahoma City team. What do you see from their squad that he potentially brings? He's a hell of a coach and also he's a Gators. So go Gators. I gotta give him that now.

Starting point is 01:37:19 I gotta give him that. I gotta give him that. I gotta give him that. You guys might have a football team again. You know that? Basketball champs. Yeah, basketball champs. Might have a football team again. You know that? Basketball champs. Yeah, basketball champs might have a football team again, too.

Starting point is 01:37:27 Got a quarterback. Oh, yeah, that QB. Yes. And also, Napier's culture, like, settling in. Yeah, they turned it around. Yes. Not give up last year. Yes.

Starting point is 01:37:35 Yeah, but I love what he does. And one thing, what I'll say about Dagonal, is how you can tell that he's a good coach, is that he's got a young team playing the right way on both sides. Yeah. It's not just playing offensively the right way. They play defense the right way. They hold each It's not just playing offensively the right way. They play defense the right way.

Starting point is 01:37:46 They hold each other accountable. There's five guys on the string. You can tell guys are rotating and pulling triggers. You can tell they go through dummy defensive practice. Yeah, you can tell. They dig the elbows. They take their 2.9 on each side. They do everything.

Starting point is 01:37:58 So they're very well coached. Digging elbows, bopping wood. That's Coach Carlisle team. I had a lot of problems up here and there. Yeah, yeah. I'm not, I don't. I wonder what's going on. What should we look for?

Starting point is 01:38:09 G-butt, A-O, and got to. You guys need to relax with the way you think about stuff. You guys are saying it. We're talking basketball. This is sports program. Yeah, that's what we're doing. We're talking basketball, right? Yeah, we're talking basketball.

Starting point is 01:38:18 Bopping wood. Bop wood. Bopping wood. Bopping wood. You said everybody. What should we look for tonight at the beginning that's gonna indicate who's gonna win this game? Can we tell?

Starting point is 01:38:28 Well, I think both teams are gonna be more settled in. I think we've only had six lead changes in two games, which is crazy. You know what I'm saying? Six lead changes in two games, total is crazy. So I think this will be more of what we're accustomed to. A lot of lead changes. I do think Tyrese Hallenberg will be a lot more aggressive

Starting point is 01:38:42 in the first half to set the tone of the game. Even if it's not in full court and half court, I think he needs to target those bigs in the pick and roll. They're in the drop coverage, that way he can get to his pull up three. He also got the throwback to Miles Turner, so he needs to attack the five man. On the other end, when I look at OKC, man, I was a little disturbed because, once again, I picked Indiana. It was scary to me that they went on that run in the second quarter without SGA in the game. That made me a little nervous if I'm Indiana. So I'm looking for those guys on OKC to look at that lineup and say, okay, we went on a

Starting point is 01:39:09 19-2 run with SGA on the bench to finish out the second quarter. We can go with this lineup a little more. So I'm looking for them to play that small lineup with just one big, but to have Wiggins, Kacen Wallace, Caruso, and J. Dub running the point. That was a good matchup for them. That was a good lineup. All right. We'll look for that. Obviously, need to do pick and roll with the big man.

Starting point is 01:39:27 Picture it. Get the five. Do the whole thing. Got the five hole. Dig the elbows. If you can hit that, yeah. Dig elbows out. Chop wood.

Starting point is 01:39:32 Chop wood. Chop wood. Chop wood. Bob wood. Bob wood. Yeah. We appreciate you so much. Are you on TV today, or are you just always dressed?

Starting point is 01:39:39 I'm on TV today, but this is domesticated OG. No, I ain't. Don't try to get him fooled. Now, listen, he show up, and he look presentable like he's supposed to be for work. me today but this is domesticated OG. Don't try to get him fooled now. Listen, he show up and he look presentable like he supposed to be for work. He's dressing in flip-flops if he ain't doing this. He got flip-flops, comfort going. Yeah, you should.

Starting point is 01:39:53 We've earned that. Chicago turned Florida boy. You don't wear gym shoes no more. You wear flip-flops all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trust me. Once again, once again, I just look like this. Don't run up on me on the streets playing.

Starting point is 01:40:02 I'm not the guy. I just look like this, don't run up on me on the streets playing. I'm not the guy. I just look like this. You are the guy. In class of 98, too, you know, we're the same class in high school. This guy's been playing against each other for years. Since 15, that's when we first met each other. In basketball, you guys, like in high school, are basically playing against the guys that you know are going to make it, right? We met each other in New Jersey, ABCD Adidas camp.

Starting point is 01:40:23 We got this thing, we say real, recognize real. So when I got to the camp, I'm like, don't want to hang out with those guys. Them Chicago guys look like the kind of guys. Them look like my kind of guys. These Chicago guys look like our kind of guys. You know what I mean? Jeff Teague buried Chicago in the first hour. I don't know if you heard him.

Starting point is 01:40:40 Yeah, he buried him right to his face. Well, he actually was looking this way. He said Indiana's better at basketball. Indiana's better at basketball. Indiana ain't got no chips. All, right to his face. Well, he actually was looking this way. Said Indiana's better at basketball. Indiana's better at basketball. Indiana ain't got no chips. All right. Ladies and gentlemen. Indiana ain't got no chips. A man who's won three NBA titles.

Starting point is 01:40:55 A cultivator of culture. Incredibly fly looking tough guy. Ladies and gentlemen, Udonis Aslan. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. My dog. You don't have to.

Starting point is 01:41:09 My dog. Yeah, appreciate. Yes, sir. Thank you, rich. Hey, thank you, you do. Here, rich. Thanks for just crumpling that plastic bottle. That's what that was? Yeah, just squash a plastic bottle right into your microphone.

Starting point is 01:41:31 Oh, my bad. I didn't know I did that. No, it was awesome. It was a nice little, it was a good moment. Kept it alive. UD's a dog. Oh, yeah. Since day one.

Starting point is 01:41:40 The man. The dog. He said since you're 15 years old, you guys know each other? Yep. Met each other, it was NBA camp, actually. NBA camp, Teen Act New Jersey. Him just talking about the culture is so much more similar to football than I had realized. Because I always just thought-

Starting point is 01:41:54 Oh, down there. What's that? Down there in Miami. Yeah, but then he started talking about here in Indiana, then we started talking about Oklahoma City, then he started talking about Missoula, he started talking about all these other coaches that are like hard. Ime, I think is also a hard-nosed coach. It's like basketball is much more accountability driven than I imagine

Starting point is 01:42:11 because I always thought it was just, I mean, yeah, I play pickup basketball. The guys who are on the floor are the ones that are going to side this. It's like there's so much more to it if you want to be great. I love hearing that. Q, when it was the Heedles big three, was he the leader on the team or was it D-Way? Do you know? I don't know who they would say, but I know he was one of them. It's not a locker room that he's been in

Starting point is 01:42:33 and he's not going to be one of the leaders. Those type of things are natural. You can't just pick and choose. They just rise. And you can see it. It oozes out of him. He's a leader. Everything about him, he shows leadership. and any room he's in or team

Starting point is 01:42:47 he's gonna be a part of, he's gonna be one of those guys. I love hearing that leadership matters because I think sports kind of create those at a more rapid rate than anywhere else. Listening to Mark Messier, what was that yesterday? Yeah. I just wanna ice skate through a wall. Yes.

Starting point is 01:43:03 And then you got UD in here talking about what players need to do and teams need to do. He said he's sending DMs while watching games. Can't be having it. That's not our league. I love the care. I love the compassion and I love the leadership. And I also love that we're getting free food, I think.

Starting point is 01:43:17 Oh, yeah. Yeah, I believe they're bringing some food over. Ladies and gentlemen, I believe the Gainbridge Fieldhouse, the official chefs of the arena wanted to make us some food. I'm not 100% sure. What? Yes, sir, come up, please.

Starting point is 01:43:32 Thank you so much. Chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, Thank you so much. Hell yes. Okay. Chef Albano? You got it. Chef Albano, can you turn right over here, face this way so we can get you on camera, showcase that beautiful face, chef. Chef, what do we have here surrounding the Larry O'Brien trophy?

Starting point is 01:43:58 So, Levi's bringing it to the table today to support this wonderful championship run here. We got some awesome food. Hell yeah, Levi. Thank you, Levi. We're going to start out with our three-point combo. You've got Italian meatballs, Italian beef, and chicken parmesan. Oh, three-point combo. It's a staff-carrying food. Okay.

Starting point is 01:44:22 All right. Next up, we got our Indiana pork stir. We've got a grilled brat bacon jam a crispy pork tenderloin Bacon and a little bit of spicy brown mustard Which has a bone in it, I don't think that is Now I have to do a little demo here for you Pat Okay, hold on. Let's make sure the camera gets it because it feels like this meat might be moving. Go ahead All right, so we've got a one pound brontosaurus bone here. Okay, slow smoked overnight We're serving it on the bone, but watch this watch this

Starting point is 01:45:03 That was insane. Hey, good meat bun. Right off the bone. Bop that one. Bop that meat. All right, right here, this is from our friends from Smokin' Goose just down the street, locally crafted. Pork belly and cheese curd sausage, killer.

Starting point is 01:45:19 Wow, pork belly. Designer glizzy. Yeah, that is super glizzy. And last item here, a little different. This is a tuna pokey nacho. Oh, really tasty. Not the hokey pokey. That's some fresh tuna.

Starting point is 01:45:34 The tuna pokey nachos. These look delightful. Chef Albano, thank you so much for bringing these out. Thanks for sliding your meat off there. This is unbelievable work by you guys in the entire crew. Thank you. Go Pacers! Chef got some pizzazz too.

Starting point is 01:46:04 Where did they fly the Italian food in from? Let's go, Bessers! There's no Italians really out here in Indianapolis, but Gary! Who would I be not to eat Chef Albano's meat here before Jesus! We get out of here We have about 8 more minutes here on ESPN before we go digital

Starting point is 01:46:20 and what I want to let you know is going to happen in the digital portion of this Q-Rich is going to try to accomplish the impossible, which is make a few shots in the wind, which I've heard is going to be a difficult task. We'll also talk to the co-host of the Knuckleheads podcast, Legendarius Miles, who is here, and we'll also break down everything else happening around the sports world. Before we head off to digital land

Starting point is 01:46:45 on this beautiful NFL finals, Wednesday, June 11th, let me take down this slow roast overnight meat that Chef Albano brought out here. Would you like to try some of this kosher meat? I think DB wanted to try the designer glizzy. Yeah, he wanted to try the designer glizzy. Here's a little pork tendy with a little bacon mash. Swine, my brother.

Starting point is 01:47:07 Here's a three-point meat for you. And then there's some... They got the chicken parm. This is the tuna hokey pokey, which I think we should keep right here. I think we should keep that probably in here. Okay. Cheers to Chef Albano.

Starting point is 01:47:21 Cheers to the Pacers. Cheers to the city of Indianapolis. Cut this. And we appreciate the hell out of the free food. I'm supposed to just pick up the entire... They don't cut this thing? I believe that tuna is actually fresh. You can have some in the canal as well. Well, you don't want to go in that canal.

Starting point is 01:47:38 Just a heads up, it's a direct path to jail. From what I've been told. Even if you didn't go in? Allegedly. Just a heads up, it's a direct path to jail. Oh, okay. From what I've been told. Even if you didn't go in? Allegedly, allegedly. Allegedly. There is a story, nevermind. Let's talk about some good shit happening around the world.

Starting point is 01:47:57 Jeffrey Lurie, owner of the Philadelphia Eagles, is donating $50 million to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia for an autism research and development. Thank you, Jeffrey Lurie, for doing that, especially with how much we're learning about autism and the numbers of people that are having this. It's more rapid now than ever before. Jeffrey Lurie putting up his own money 50 million it's the largest donation obviously in this field to do some research behind it and hopefully combat

Starting point is 01:48:33 it a little bit is a beautiful thing. I always like when rich people do the right thing. Yeah that's awesome man definitely like you say autism is a huge thing and we're becoming more educated about it so that's definitely to a good cause. Especially as somebody who has a two-year-old you know I have a daughter and hopefully continue to grow the about it. So that's definitely to a good cause. Especially as somebody who has a two year old, you know, I have a daughter and hopefully continue to grow the family. It's like, these are always things you gotta think about now with like her development

Starting point is 01:48:52 and other kids that you meet. How's it going? Jeffrey Laurie said, let's at least try to play a little defense against it. I love that. Not always are billionaires, you know, philanthropic with their money. A lot of billionaires potentially do things to offset other stuff and they don't actually

Starting point is 01:49:07 want to give. This feels like something of genuine want. This is just like how Jim Ursay operated. And I think if you listen to the speech that was given at the funeral with a lot of the other owners, there's a lot of people saying, like, hey, if you have the means, you should. That's kind of what Jim Ursay operated like. And I love to see other owners doing it as well. Yeah, it's awesome. I mean like you talk about it

Starting point is 01:49:26 and it's definitely growing and growing and growing. 50 million I assume is gonna go a long long way. You talked about it being the the highest donation of all time for that. Like owners like was he at the funeral? No I do not believe he was. Because I was saying I wonder if he was you know. Little inspiration. Little draw, little inspiration. I hope that comes and I hope the world continues to get better by people who are in a position to make the world better. Let's talk about some good stuff happening in baseball. Did you hear about a home run robbery tie?

Starting point is 01:49:55 I believe there is a highlight maker playing baseball right now. Yeah, Denzel Clark for the Oakland A's is an absolute beast. You can see this is Nolan Chanel, and this might be the best catch in the last 50 years. That was crazy. Phil, this dude got called up like two weeks ago, two, three weeks ago. What?

Starting point is 01:50:16 Yeah, like May 26th maybe was his first day in the Bigs. He's had three of these highlight catches already. Here's another one against Toronto. I believe he's actually from Toronto. Just robbing another homer casually. You see the first one and he makes that one, which is an incredibly tough catch. He makes it look so easy.

Starting point is 01:50:35 And then the last one, everyone talks about that one against the A's being the best one. I think this is his best of the three against the Orioles. Just full send right into the wall. Oh, jeez. right into the wall. Broke the wall. Yeah, exactly. And to hold onto the ball through that,

Starting point is 01:50:49 this guy is arguably already the best center fielder in baseball. He's only been in the show for three weeks. I mean, the A's absolutely stink. So this is kind of the only thing to watch when you're looking at the Oakland A's. The pitcher's reaction every time is awesome. Yeah, the pitcher knowing that they just gave up a home runner

Starting point is 01:51:05 a big hit and then him saving their life is fantastic. Same pitcher on two of them and then a new one. So they love this guy. So this is Golden Glove awards stuff? Without a doubt, yeah. And is there a Golden Glove in every position? Yes. OK, so if he doesn't play the entire season,

Starting point is 01:51:21 you said he just got called up a couple weeks ago. Is he still in contention for said awards because of the highlights and because how we'll play so golden glove is more like fielding percentage it's I mean they definitely like take into account guys making plays like this but it's pretty much like how clean is he gonna play if he's not having a bunch of errors and he has a high fielding percentage then he'll have a good opportunity but obviously for baseball you make a couple catches like this and

Starting point is 01:51:44 kind of get on everyone's radar yeah there's a good chance that he's gonna win the gold glove this year and they're playing in a minor league part this year right correct okay so he's climbing minor league walls I can't wait to see him climb all the wall yeah maybe get some pinstripes on him I want this records we're okay with our center fielder right now his batting average is absolutely dog shite so he's kind of a one-dimensional player at the moment which is okay. It's okay.

Starting point is 01:52:06 He's in Oakland. But yeah, why not? I'll take pinstripes on him. Q, Rich, you live in Florida. Do you golf at all? Little bit. I'm toying with it getting better. Okay. You know what's happening this weekend?

Starting point is 01:52:16 I do not. The hardest tournament of the year is happening in the beautiful Eastern Hills of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, the U.S. Open in Oakmont, a place that you used to caddy at as a young buck is primed and ready to kick some golfer ass this weekend. Yeah, caddy, they're going into my senior year of college. Unfortunately, drank too much. Did you do this?

Starting point is 01:52:36 No, I did not. You know, the greenskeepers are the highest of high jobs there. They are, they're held to a different standard than the caddies. But they've talked about all week long how the rough is insane. There's videos of all the golfers dropping it in the rough and not being able to get out and stuff like that. There was a golfer yesterday who putted it on one down the hill 120 yards to about three feet.

Starting point is 01:52:57 All the golfers are saying that this is the hardest course that they have ever played. Rory said he shot an 81 here last week and didn't think he played very bad. He said he birdied the last two to shoot 81. So yeah, it's gonna be awesome. The dentist, the dentist, Maddie Vogt, leads everything off tomorrow morning with the first tee shot, so that'll be fun.

Starting point is 01:53:15 But yeah, it's gonna be awesome all weekend long in Oak One PA. 90% of the course that was in Plum PA. It's just so everybody knows. Plum Senior High School is where the ball is ball and the players play. Yeah. In the east those Pittsburgh

Starting point is 01:53:29 they will host the U.S. Open this weekend. Scottie Scheffler the odds on favorite because of how great of a golfer you have to be to win any U.S. Open. We continue here in Indianapolis.

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Starting point is 01:55:05 a network of licensed funeral cremation and cemetery providers owned and operated by affiliates of Service Corporation International. I really got them going. Yeah. So Connor, now it's just us. Now it's just us. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:55:19 Now it's just us. We're no longer on TV, we're no longer on the airports, televisions across the country, cafeterias and all that type of stuff. Did you feel like they performed better in the second hour? I think they had a great hour. Yeah, no doubt they performed better. But when we're talking, like, I don't want to take lines from her already, but Carly,

Starting point is 01:55:36 you're gonna say Gordon, right? She said the standards is standard. Okay. I thought Evan Cohen said that. No, sorry. That was. Evan Cohen said that. That was Dan Or No, he didn't say that. No, Evan Cohen said that. That was Dan Orlowski from Evan Cohen.

Starting point is 01:55:48 A little different. I would never say what Dan says because he's such a potty mouth for one. But two, I hate the guy. But think about three here, okay? You never know. We all hate Dan. It depends on the day. I love Dan.

Starting point is 01:56:00 The standard's the standard, okay? So what the Patriots fans have done, which has been great, it can't be the same because we're talking about the Thunder fans who are way up here, levels above everybody, which is just what people have said. I'm not saying this. The old basketball coach, Rick Carlisle, said that too. These fans are different.

Starting point is 01:56:20 So if Indiana wants to get there, they gotta be different. The whole let's go Pacers, it only works so many times. They better have a different type of champ. Listen to this, listen to this. Andy! Dino! Ah, not bad.

Starting point is 01:56:34 Pretty daunting, pretty daunting. Not bad at all. Are you going to be out there? Andy! Dino! Oh, shit. That's what SGA says. You leading those?

Starting point is 01:56:42 Andy! Dino! Coach Dax is like, turn it down in here! I hope so. I've never heard of it before. They get a little louder every time too. I like it. Andy! Edel!

Starting point is 01:56:53 You feel that, Kirich? Kirich ain't making shit. I like it. I like it. I hope so. If Degano knows anything about coaching, which he does, he's going to have them ready for it. Did the Clippers even have fans? I can't remember.

Starting point is 01:57:06 Damn. Come on, come on, I'll do that. We have fans. I mean, we were the little brothers. We were in the background where the Lakers were winning three-peat, so we got it. But you know, we started a little movement, and now you see what's going on.

Starting point is 01:57:18 The wall. You been out to the wall? No, me and D-Miles got a lot to do with the early years. I was in the Intuit Dome Saturday. Yeah, yeah. Saturday I was in there. I'll tell you what. For nominal place.

Starting point is 01:57:29 Yes. In Balmer's focus on toilets, I had to run and go to the bathroom during show. Didn't miss a moment. Not a second. There was no line. Because I have to go to a place in the arena, normally closest to the commentator's desk. I'm going into the public's bathroom. I'm going into the public bathroom. I'm going in the bathroom with the WWE Universe during most shows.

Starting point is 01:57:49 Have somebody with me? Are they security? Not really. They're just like kind of a producer. It's running alongside of me. So we run in there. Normally everybody's kind of blindsided by it, like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And I'm like, excuse me, can I get in front of you to piss?

Starting point is 01:58:03 Because there's normally a line or whatever. I have to have that conversation every single week. Ballmer's place, no lines. Wow, of course. Right in there to pee. It might have been the greatest, most convenient arena I've ever been in in my entire life. Does that mean the Clippers are ever going to win or no?

Starting point is 01:58:18 I hope so. I hope so. They deserve it. I mean, Ballmer too, but I mean, the people that have been there for a long time, you know how it is in these organizations, man. They deserve it. I mean, bomber too, but I mean, the people that have been there for a long time, you know how it is in these organizations, man. They deserve it. They like when you got to understand when we first got drafted and you were pro.

Starting point is 01:58:31 Think about this. We practiced at Southwest Los Angeles Junior College. Yeah. Yeah. Good place. That's a nice facility. Yeah. Nice part of town.

Starting point is 01:58:41 My high school, my high school facilities were better than that. I'm not lying. We couldn't take showers after practice. We would have to put towels on our car seats and ride to home and go take a shower wherever you live in. In the NBA. In the NBA. And then the next facility we got was like a, it was called a spectrum club, but it was

Starting point is 01:58:59 like basically like a high-end 24-hour fitness or something. It was like, you would come out of practice and be like 70-year-olds getting their milkshakes and stuff at the open air. Then they got their own facet. Donald Sterling, that's crazy, because he spared no expense. Yeah, I thought he'd do it. No, it was home, like all of LA, and he still didn't give us a facet.

Starting point is 01:59:20 That was a great new part. Everyone says he was a really good guy. Well, that's not true. Yeah, it was certain tenets. I've seen that from the Clippers show. I was at the ESPYs after that. After the whole. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:59:31 Oh yeah. Yep. Sterling. Yeah. Yeah, the phone calls and. Yeah, yeah. Voicemails. That's what it is.

Starting point is 01:59:38 We learned a lot about Sterling. Oh, that was. We learned a lot about him. And Drake was the host of the ESPYs. Oh, right. And he sang a song, Sterling Never Loved Us, something like that.

Starting point is 01:59:46 And everybody started singing. And I'll tell you what, I became an enemy where I was sitting. I want to let him know I'm not on Sterling's side. It might appear. I understand. It might look as if I'm not. He didn't love me either. This guy, I don't think he loved anybody.

Starting point is 02:00:02 To hear that you guys were practicing in a junior college gym, though, that is a wild thing. That's like what was happening in Cincinnati for a while. Cincinnati Bengals for a long time had to travel down to the University of Cincinnati to practice in their bubble. So they were in the Super Bowl. They were going to play in the Super Bowl against Los Angeles Rams, won the AFC, improbable

Starting point is 02:00:24 win with Joey Burrow being a dog. It snowed so bad, they didn't have an indoor facility. They had to travel to the University of Cincinnati down the street to prepare for the Super Bowl to play the biggest game that you could potentially be in because they didn't have anything. They have since put up a bubble, so they have an indoor facility.

Starting point is 02:00:40 New people in charge. They've obviously paid Jamar Chase, they've paid Dee Higgins. They paid Joey Burrow. They have a team that's ready to go. Now we're learning about the Shamar Stewart situation, where they're putting a clause into the contract that nobody else has. We talked about this yesterday because Florio

Starting point is 02:00:54 has reported the inside look at why Shamar Stewart hasn't signed with the Cincinnati Bengals fans. And we just read this, talked about it, talked about how ridiculous it was. Cincinnati Bengals fans are not happy with us talking about this. Oh, what else is Bengals fans are not happy with us talking about this. What else is new? They're not happy with us talking about this at all.

Starting point is 02:01:08 They're saying that we are part of the problem, that we are the ones that are just blindly following. I believe I was called a boot licker by some of these Bengals fans. Come on. And I'm like, what are you doing supporting a team that didn't even have an indoor facility when your team was in the Super Bowl and now trying to wedge a closet and nobody else does. And also a Trey Hendrickson situation.

Starting point is 02:01:26 Now, they clearly point out TJ Watts not at mini camp. Are you gonna talk about that? We have. But Trey Hendrickson has come out publicly and said, hey, let's get this sorted. The Bengals are right back into a Bengal situation. I feel like Duke and then we'll be able to figure it out, especially with this new Bengals feel. But it's wild that they seemingly go through the stuff that nobody else goes through. Also TJ's gonna get paid okay I

Starting point is 02:01:47 don't it feels like Trey may not get paid. Our owner, the Steelers owner didn't come out and say you know TJ should be happy with what he's getting paid right now. The bangles, they did do that. It's not like this is a one-off with Trey and with Shemar Stewart. This has been a long long time. Remember they were charging $700 for the watch parties and stuff like that. You know, you talked about the indoor facility. But this is not a one-off for the Bangles. It's not like we're making shit up and, you know, they've been this first-class organization

Starting point is 02:02:16 for the longest of times. The Bangles fans are the worst. They're the worst fans in the NFL. I think we can agree with that. Coming from a Steelers fan. That guy at the Bagels Jersey gave me a thumbs up. He's like, you're right. So, you know, this is classic. I think you're a good fan.

Starting point is 02:02:34 Now, with that being said, it does feel like your fans. They get disrespected the easiest. The softest. Yeah, I'm going to say the softest, either, because they're Ohio. So I don't want to say the softest either because they're, ohio You know so I don't want to say they're soft But they do feel personally offended a lot for things that they shouldn't be offended by they should ask They should be asking the same questions we are of their ownership But I think they feel a loyalty to ownership to fight and they do for a lot of things that they should not be fighting

Starting point is 02:03:01 For I think it's also not like not having an indoor facility we were getting attacked for mentioning that it's that they should not be fighting for, I think. It's also not their fault. Not having an indoor facility, we were getting attacked for mentioning that. It's like, you should not be attacking us. We are trying to make your team better here. Every other team in a four season climate has an indoor facility in 2020, 2021. So like you guys not having it, you shouldn't be attacking us for pointing this out. You should actually be wondering why your team that you care so much about is doing things at that level. That's how I feel.

Starting point is 02:03:27 But some Bangles fans are like, nah, there's no reason to attack us. Shamar Stewart's lucky to be a Bangal. He should want that clause in there. And if he can't play, he shouldn't be paid. It's like, well, nobody else is doing that. Well, that's because the Bangles are smarter than everybody. It's like that is, that's not how it works. That is a perfect example of them bringing it on themselves as an organization.

Starting point is 02:03:45 You talk about the Shamar Stewart situation. This is something we all know is going to get figured out, but it's not like they're debating between or negotiating between $5 or $10 million a year on a contract. This is something going into a rookie contract and you're trying to put a brand new clause in this guy's contract that you've never done with anyone else before. And then if you look at this prospect specifically, off the charts talent-wise, but didn't have a ton of production in college. You drafted him in the first round.

Starting point is 02:04:11 So this is a guy that knees every rep he can get in the off season. And you're going back and forth about something that's going to get figured out. The TJ Watt situation, we see this type of situation in the NFL, in the NBA probably every year when it comes to trying to reset that market to get up to A number that has reset the market so that'll get done. I think as well, but it's your mark still Situations just another thing in a long line of bungled mishaps By the way the last time TJ sat out mandatory mini camp He kicked the door down to get his deal done, and then he set the record for most sex in the season. Oh

Starting point is 02:04:45 Say she do it again. Look for that. Aaron Rodgers quarterback too? Four time MVP Aaron Rodgers? Five time. You're singing quite a different tune it seems like this week. Good five. Well that's my quarterback.

Starting point is 02:04:56 I'll take a bullet for that guy. I did tell him that I didn't want to phrase it as if you win because I didn't want to add any negativity but I texted him I said when you win for the Steelers that city will murder people for you for the rest of your life. He has not responded but I know the message got through. I was super worried I sent it in this weekend there was an article about a 41 year old man who died doing ayahuasca down in Peru or something. I was worried it was Aaron for a second but then then they tweeted he was at camp, so like, we're good. Tease a piece of it.

Starting point is 02:05:29 That was right next to each other. I do wonder if we're still ayahuascaing. I think he may have closed that chapter. He's a married man now. He found himself. Unless he got married to the mother. Mother Aya. Mother Aya, yeah, committed his life.

Starting point is 02:05:41 I didn't even think about it, marrying ayahuasca. Yeah, there's a chance. If he's happy, hey, we're happy for Aaron. Do you think about it marrying ayahuasca. Yeah, there's a chance He always happy. Hey, we're happy for here See yeah, you don't know what that is. No does feel like quite a Caucasian thing. Yeah Your employer well true true true Jordan Poirier is big big advocate of it basically you go down in a jungle Okay, and there's some teas that are created by a natural ayahuasca plant down there. And basically, it is a spiritual experience

Starting point is 02:06:12 that is to reset kind of how you view life and change perspective. I guess it's been happening for hundreds, thousands of years or whatever. Aaron went down there, I think he was looking for some answers, looking for a different light. I think a lot of military folks do it. A lot of people at PTSD do it.

Starting point is 02:06:27 It's been around a very long time. I think you go through a lot to get to the point of the DMT being released, and you getting to the life altering experience. But I think it's coming out of the attic and the basement. I think you're- It's quite a time experience. Same time.

Starting point is 02:06:43 Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. We're talking, e time. Yeah. You know I'm talking about? Yeah. We're talking. Yeah. Yeah. I'm good. But it changes your life.

Starting point is 02:06:51 And I think Aaron gives a lot of credit to it for changing his mental and his perspective on things. And after he did it, he wants to win the MVP two times. So it's like he's a big advocate for it. I don't think everybody's just supposed to do ayahuasca, but I do believe if you have some stuff going on, it has been an answer for some people and for others not. No. I don't know if I have the commitment to do ayahuasca, but I do believe if you have some stuff going on, it has been an answer for some people and for others, no. I don't know if I have the commitment to do it. I've never heard of it.

Starting point is 02:07:10 No, I take an edible one out to call an ambulance, so I don't think I should be doing ayahuasca. Your heart does say, get me out of here. Weak mind, weak heart, can't be doing it. Strong man. Thank you. That's what they say. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a basketball legend. Everybody knows his name.

Starting point is 02:07:28 What you don't know is the fact that he has a size 18 shoe, and he's had that since he was 16 years old. Ladies and gentlemen, co-host of the Knuckleheads podcast, legendary Smiles. Yeah! He bounce! Can I touch your ass? No shake. I ain't shaking your hand. Yeah, you did? They put this over your shoulder here.

Starting point is 02:07:58 Yeah. Boo. Boo. Hey, you didn't want to walk all the way down there because the knees are hurting? Yeah. Yeah. From yesterday. You know, he bone on bone. No cartilage in either.

Starting point is 02:08:07 Yeah. How tall are you? Six nine. Okay, let's talk about it. How tall were you in sixth grade? About six foot five ten, something like that. Six foot five? That's sixth grade?

Starting point is 02:08:18 About sixth grade, about five ten, six foot around that time. And whenever you got to high school at the age of 16, you had to size 18 foot. Yeah, when I was wearing the 18, when I was like in sixth, seventh grade. So we all knew you were gonna grow into it and become this massive man. Yeah. And on the basketball court in high school,

Starting point is 02:08:36 obviously McDonald's All-American superstar, legend, went to the NBA out of high school. You kinda knew that, everybody knew that whenever they were kinda directing you as a high schooler? People used to say it, but where I'm from, you can't believe it until it be right in your face in front of your eyes. How was the NBA experience as a high schooler?

Starting point is 02:08:54 It was great. I had the opportunity to get drafted with Q. We got the opportunity to go to the same team. So after the draft, our first private jet, we got on the jet, flew from Minnesota to LA and you know It made it an easy transition and having Q and Kian and Corey and these guys that I played against or Was bigger brothers to me being an opportunity to play with them Yeah

Starting point is 02:09:16 I couldn't imagine being 18 19 years old like miles Turner's been here for 11 years and He's 29 years old so he literally came to the city as an 18 year old, 19 year old, given a lot of money, given a lot of expectation and then also a huge workload which is what the NBA is. 82 games, traveling on the road, everything like that. What doesn't get talked about enough you think about the NBA experience?

Starting point is 02:09:38 Is it how grueling and grinding the entire season is? Cause I don't think that gets chatted about. Cause of how big you guys are, with how much you have to run and travel and rest, let alone on planes with you eating your knees, like everything you do. Is that kind of not talked about enough you think? No, it's not talked about. I think I've seen some with Paul George where this year his body just wasn't working right for him, where he couldn't really get the opportunity to get out

Starting point is 02:10:03 there and play. You don't know the strain and the wear and tear you give your body you have to eat right you have to get your proper Rest there's a lot of stuff that come with it that you don't see you just see When the game come on at prime time and you expect enough to deliver and sometimes your body just won't let you How about the I was Can you do that? Who? That one. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Demiles, Cooper Fly is going to come in at 18 years old.

Starting point is 02:10:33 I think he obviously reclassified to go to Duke and now he's going to be one of the younger guys picked one, it feels like in recent memory. How long is it going to take? Because with Wemby, it was kind of a, hey, get ready. Wemby's coming. But now it's been two years. The Spurs haven't been in the playoffs. Obviously, he missed everything after the All-Star break

Starting point is 02:10:54 last year. But it feels as though a lot of times, especially those top guys, if you're not good immediately, it's what the hell is going on with this guy? How long do you think it'll take Cooper flag to kind of get to? Level that everyone's like okay. He's arrived And what is the biggest learning curve you think from you know high school to the NBA is all the time you have off I know pat and D, but I've talked about it with the NFL

Starting point is 02:11:18 You know free time after that first season yeah, you got free time, but what is the biggest difference? I think the best thing for Cooper flag is that the Dallas Mavericks got the number one pick. Me and Q got drafted to the worst team in the NBA. These guys won 17 games out of 82. Him giving the opportunity to be coached by J.K. Have A.D. there, have Kyrie there, a team that's ready to win now. It's an easier transition to kind of plug him in and not

Starting point is 02:11:45 have a big expectation for him right away. Like if he would went to Utah or the Wizards, everybody expects him to come in, average 30 triple doubles and all that stuff and it was going to be hard because they were going to get in their butt whoops. So you know what I'm saying? The best thing he got in this situation is that Dallas Maverick got the first pick. Well, what is the, will he be able to do his shit in the NBA? You think he has to put on weight?

Starting point is 02:12:12 I remember when Kevin Durant came out of Texas, they're like, he's too thin, too thin. He's going to have to put on weight. This era, you don't have to have weight. Back in the day when you had real powerful force and real centers in the game that was super strong, Charles Oakley's and stuff. Yeah, let's talk about it. You had to put on weight. You had to put on weight to compete with them.

Starting point is 02:12:34 But this day, it's more about a skill. It's more on the perimeter. Even the centers play on the perimeter and shoot jumpers. Love it or hate it? The game? Yeah. I love the game. I love every stage of the game.

Starting point is 02:12:48 From the 70s, from the 80s, to the 90s, to now, it's just evolving. I wish I could have got a chance to play in this. We're not the OGs on the porch saying, get off my lawn. Thank God. We like all versions of the rules. We like all versions. We understand. Yeah, this game caters to what I did when I came out.

Starting point is 02:13:06 I was a tall 6'9 guy who can dribble, play on the perimeter moves fast. He would be nuts in this area. It caters to my game. I was more of the prototype coming off of KG getting drafted at 96 to me getting drafted in 2000 to seeing the Kevin Durant's and these guys that being 6'9", they can shoot, dribble and do everything. Size 18 foot, shaking people would be wild to watch. Yeah, I assume those things.

Starting point is 02:13:34 Yeah. Oh yeah. Bopping, bopping wood. Bopping wood for sure, bopping wood for sure. Go ahead, Ty. I guess this is for both you guys. Did you have any idea of the cultural impact this was was gonna have when you started that you'd have you know Like sixth graders in Iowa white kids who went to Catholic school doing it after that's time. He's talking about time

Starting point is 02:13:53 He's talking about himself. We're all doing it. We're all doing The tightest shit ever did you guys have any idea that was gonna take off the way it did no we didn't but one thing I do appreciate about this era, because we got like kinda how AI got crucified for the things he did with the tattoos and the cornrows, we got kinda crucified for celebrating when we was one of the worst teams, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:14:20 So we didn't have the best of record, we had a decent record we was coming up, but we celebrated on teams. And back then, that was more offensive to teams. Like teams took that a certain kind of way. But if you look at the league now, guys got their own signature celebration. They celebrate after every three pointer, throwing up threes,

Starting point is 02:14:41 all that stuff. So I just feel like we just helped the coach out, transitioned to another level. And we really didn't know, like you say, how you, the reach of it, it was no social media, none of that. So we didn't know until like, you know, you come back all of these years later and we create a podcast based on that and you see the response. Like that's, like we, that's when we really got to see like, man, like they was really, you know, rocking with us and then everybody doing that, like throw one up, do one like, it's like, yo, that's crazy. And then like you said, hella, hella stories about guys that are now young adults or full of those.

Starting point is 02:15:14 It was like, yo, man, my whole sixth, seventh grade team used to do that. Like whether it's, you know, people like we had a big following in Asia. They was making comic books of us over there that we didn't even understand what they were saying because it was like in Japanese and stuff like that so it was like it was it was looking back in hindsight and coming to the point it was like damn we really had a lot of people running around doing that and we had no clue. One of the greatest celebrations of all time I mean easy to do and looks cool yeah you know easy to do and looks cool how do you feel about John Moran's grenade?

Starting point is 02:15:49 He's taking the words Brainstorm for him whenever there was a conversation about him no longer doing the gun. We said listen, we need John Moran playing We don't need suspensions. We don't like that you're being unfairly targeted in your eyes, but this is your life. You gotta deal with it. Get a sword out. Chop somebody's head off.

Starting point is 02:16:12 Slice the head off. Anything you wanna do. Sepikoo. Sepikoo. I wanna thank Jon Marant, friend. It was cringy when I seen it for the first time, but I just want the grenade. No, it's a throwing of the words.

Starting point is 02:16:25 No, I thought it was going to be another suspension. I'm glad it wasn't. I'm like y'all, I just want to see the kid play and be great. I want to see him get back to superstar status, you know, because he has the game, he has the aura around him to be there and just leave all the stuff off the court alone. Agreed. We need him as a superstar. Keep doing your thing, John.

Starting point is 02:16:46 Darius has a question. Yeah, speaking of kind of off the court Jordans, he talked about the cultural impact of the celebration. We know the cultural impact of Jordan. You guys been Team Jordan for a long, long time. How did that come about? What was that like? Number one, how did that come about?

Starting point is 02:17:00 I want to know how did that come about. We, doing our draft, and when we was getting drafted, we always been Nike guys. So we expected to be with Nike. But you know, back then the shoe contracts and stuff wasn't big. It kind of hit a little point at some point. So A&1 was sending us a bunch of girls. A&1 was just trying to get everybody. It was hot. It was sending us a bunch of girls. And one was just trying to get everybody. They were sending us a bunch of stuff.

Starting point is 02:17:27 So we had so much stuff that only thing you could wear was N1 because they were sending it every day. So we went to Santa Barbara camp. We was going there since high school. Every summer we going to Santa Barbara. Michael Jordan flight school. Michael Jordan flight school. So we get to Santa Barbara and Mike see us

Starting point is 02:17:44 with the N1 girl girl and he was like, man I thought y'all was Nike guys. We was like, yeah, but they ain't giving us no deal. We thought we was gonna get a deal too. And he was like, yeah, I don't know about y'all wearing that. So he's like, all right, I'm gonna make a phone call for y'all. So we went back to the hotel, next morning our agent

Starting point is 02:18:00 called us and was like, man, what y'all do? He was like, what? He was like, man, Nike just sent me a contract where they gonna pay for your endorsement, but you're gonna be sponsored by Jordan. And you know the roof went off after we left. Oh yeah. Incredible.

Starting point is 02:18:15 It was another knock at the door and we getting like five, you know, them old school TV boxes that was like this, like five boxes full of just Jordan. Jays. My grandmama was wearing Jordan. I'm as Jordan, we was good. That's crazy. Let's talk about the Knuckleheads podcast a little bit.

Starting point is 02:18:32 How often do we release them? Q Rich, how long has this been going and what is the plan? I don't know when we started it. I get asked that a lot. We started five and a half years ago. Let's go. Yeah, so right now we're in the middle of renegotiating our contract.

Starting point is 02:18:46 We are no longer. We had five, five and a half dope, dope amazing years with the Player Tribune. But now we are leaving the Player's Tribune and we are in the midst of signing with new folks. Oh, it's up to something season. OK. Up to something season.

Starting point is 02:19:02 OK, I like that. We're looking for these NBA type deals, free agents. Let's talk about some of the free agents. Yannis is going to be moving potentially, I guess that would be a trade, not a free agent. Miles Turner is about to be a free agent, he's about to get paid here. Kevin Durant potentially on the move. What are your thoughts on any of the big names that could be shifting?

Starting point is 02:19:22 I feel Yannis should stay. You know, I always felt LeBron Cleveland Championship was always bigger than any other championship he won in any other city. When you win a championship in the smallest cities, it means more. It's almost like that's a two-three. Hell yeah.

Starting point is 02:19:40 It almost means like one championship is like two-three championships when it's going. And I feel like he championship is like two, three championships in this corner. And I feel like he can get the most money in Milwaukee. They will eventually build something to brown him and I think it'll be good for him to stay. All right, we appreciate the hell out of both of you for traveling up here. Q-Rich, will you shoot a couple shots here

Starting point is 02:19:59 for maybe some giveaways? Yeah. Where do you wanna shoot from? Would you like to shoot from the stage? Would you like to shoot from down on the court? No, I'm going to shoot from down on the court. I ain't like you. I ain't nice like that.

Starting point is 02:20:10 Oh, OK, OK. Well, before the show started, you know I had to test the waters a little bit. The hoop looks big, Q Rich. I think your microphone works down there too, right? Yeah. OK, you want to hand it out? It's mobile.

Starting point is 02:20:19 All right, Q Rich. Yeah, it was working. Here's one we're doing with Q Rich. D Miles, anything to say, Q Rich. Yeah, it was lucky. Here's what we're doing to Q Rich. Fireball. Woo! Woo! Woo! Ah! D Miles, anything to say to Q Rich

Starting point is 02:20:29 before he attempts to win some people some money? You know, this is my oldest. Ball through it. This is my oldest boy, so I'm. You see what you started, fat? Ball through it. Hey, D, you know what you started? This is my oldest boy, so I got a lot of faith in him.

Starting point is 02:20:42 Ball through it! Ball through it! Derris has faith in him. Q Rich, hold on one second. Bouncy ball. That's a, uh I got a lot of faith in him. You know? Derris has faith in him. Too rich, hold on one second. Bouncy ball. That's a, uh, that's a rubber ball. Yeah, very bouncy. Rubber ball, a little bit windy, we will say.

Starting point is 02:20:53 There's a little bit of a breeze. You got double rims out here, that's okay. Yeah, well, yeah, double rim makes you a better shooter. You have a, uh, we have five balls here. How many shots will you make? Two? I hope. Two of five?

Starting point is 02:21:09 Yeah, the high school 3.0. Yeah, that's a high school three. Where am I shooting from? I'm just not really picking. You pick. I don't care. Where you want me to shoot from, Black? That's not me.

Starting point is 02:21:18 Are you still talking to me? Two of them. Two of them. Two of them. 2.0. It is, huh? Yeah, that's good. Hey, hold on. Were you just?

Starting point is 02:21:27 What's his nickname? Just so I know who we're talking to. Oh, this is Darius Miles, AKA The Blackest One. Whoa. You know, when he was in the perfect score, his co-stars all went on to become Marvel Captain America and Marvel heroes. So we was wondering why they didn't bring him and make him

Starting point is 02:21:44 a superhero. So I donned him as didn't bring him and make him a superhero. So I donned him as the blackest one. That's his superhero now. Okay, shout out. I don't know how to operate. He was stuck right there. I could be a part of this faction. What you gonna say?

Starting point is 02:21:59 I don't wanna point things out. I'm not saying it. It's okay to say the blackest ones. The blackest ones, the blackest twos? Yes. They're right. Blackest two. Maybe three.

Starting point is 02:22:12 Super heroes, super heroes. We got one blend of milk and blackest meat. Yeah. Anyways, he thinks you're gonna make the shot. Yeah. Okay, I'm not saying it. Is that a good shot for you? Because I need to judge how many you're gonna make,

Starting point is 02:22:31 how many shots, what's the number two make for the giveaway. I need a lot of information here. Out of five shots? Out of five shots. I think he's gonna make two to three. Okay, so the overall- I took the ring off now. Because of the ball, because of the ball.

Starting point is 02:22:43 The ball is terrible. Okay, it's a rubber ball, so if you make- That's terrible. Because of the ball. Because of the ball. The ball was terrible. It's a rubber ball. So if you make three. If you make three. Yeah. Q-Rich, if you make three of these shots, we will give 30 people $500 who are currently watching. Watching at home.

Starting point is 02:22:58 All you have to do is use the hashtag Pacersin6 and screenshot the screen after he makes three out of five. Q Rich, I would like to wish you luck sir as you attempt the impossible. With the wind the way it is. Would you like a warm up? I'll take one warm up just to see where it's going on. If the warm up was so good, I'd have to have my glasses on so I can put them to the show.

Starting point is 02:23:31 Now I'm back to the show. It was great talking to you guys, though. Nobody else could hear us. If you would like to take the warm up, it would not count if it goes in, though. We have to have some sort of rules and regulations here. That's cool. OK, so you would like a warm up?

Starting point is 02:23:44 Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, Q Rich, a man who like a warmup? Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, Q Rich, a man who is a three point shooting champion in the NBA is opting for a warmup to kind of gauge the wind. Go ahead. Yeah. See? Oh no. Oh no. Hold careful, Rich. Oh, no. This is your guy, Darius. Hold on, hold on, Q Rich. This is your guy? Hold on. Be wary. Would you like another gauge shot? Nope.

Starting point is 02:24:11 You would not like another one? No. All right, Q Rich, if you go three of five, 30 people will win $500. You're watching at home. Q Rich. All right. We're okay.

Starting point is 02:24:21 You got four shots, then. Three of four. There's one. That's the end. Okay! He is one of two. Let's go! Let's go! Oh! You made these two. Yeah, these next two will grow up. Good pass in rhythm. There it is. Oh, no! Oh, no! Oh, no!

Starting point is 02:24:47 Do you feel that, Pat? The wind has certainly pissed off. It is a bit breezy out here at the Bicentennial. Oh, geez. In fact, he like an old school car. It just take a minute to warm up. Once again. Hold on, hold on, hold on. One more here, let's see.

Starting point is 02:25:03 That's wind. One more here, let's see. That's wind. Show them how it's done. Oh, geez. It is Windiana. Windiana. And I'm from Chicago. Who's from the Windy City.

Starting point is 02:25:20 I mean, we set you up for failure here. It is breezy. It is. That's okay. You got to, you got to, you got You got he got to give me back to the Thunderdome indoors Hold on Q-rich. Let's just act like we're doing something here Have you tried that tuna yet? So I think the tuna pokey nachos here are so damn good man What a show it's been hasn't it? These people have been great out here.

Starting point is 02:25:46 Where'd you play that meet? That was good beat slide. Now, to end the show today, I think it's only right that we watch one of the greatest basketball shooters of all time kind of do his thing. We're sitting in the middle of like a 20 mile an hour wind right now, 15, 20 mile an hour wind gusts out here at the Bicentennial Plaza

Starting point is 02:26:03 outside of beautiful Gameainbridge Field House in lovely Indianapolis, Indiana. If you've never been, please come to our city. We are incredibly- There's dog friends, we got dogs out here? There's a service dog right here hanging out. Put him to sleep. Dog over there.

Starting point is 02:26:16 But to end this show in this wind, I think if Q-Rich is able to make one three-point shot, I think 25 people should win $500. Sounds like a good fair. This will also be an omen on if the Pacers will win this evening. Oh, man. Oh, man.

Starting point is 02:26:33 Yes, this is a universe ball and a 25, $500 winner ball. He's trying to get me booed out of here right now. Hey, crowd, would you like this to be a universe ball? Whoa! The crowd is in unanimous decision. They do want this shot to count. Yeah!

Starting point is 02:26:53 Clearly. One more time, let's take a vote. Would you like the fate of tonight's game to ride on this particular shot here? Whoa! Yes, they're saying. They're saying no. Thank you so much for doing

Starting point is 02:27:06 that. 25 people could win $500 and the Pacers are guaranteed to win tonight. If Q Rich makes this shot to wrap up this glory. So this time I'm going to get them back. I'm going to throw these out there everybody. For the people Q Rich. Guaranteed. Y'all got. Oh. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, just like the people said, that shot was not an indicator. I'm watching that was good. Big thank you to Quentin Richardson for joining us today. That ball looked like a tumbleweed back in the old school West Virginia. Fact.

Starting point is 02:27:40 Feel that, G. Big shout out to Darius miles starting by Sean Charania stopped by Jack Teague was here you guys Haslam was here and all the wonderful people stopped by we appreciate you so much Toxic Table great work AP Tone good job Darius Butler, incredible. Back in the truck, good work, boys.

Starting point is 02:28:07 Back in the truck. Are they giving us? To everybody that set this up, from ESPN and the production crew, Scott with the jib, the whole team with audio, camera, staging, lighting, you name it, we appreciate the hell out of you, great work. Not easy. To Captain O'Nicky, we appreciate the hell out of you. Great work. Not easy. To Captain O'Nicky, we appreciate the hell out of your service to you.

Starting point is 02:28:29 Indianapolis, Indiana, you're the man. Thanks for hanging out up here. And to all you watching at home, know tonight on ABC, in that building right there, there's going to be an electrifying environment. There's going to be a team that wants to get back in the lead of this NBA Finals. And there's going to be a sport played that this state loves through and through. That's a bald head of Q-Rich. This is Larry O'Brien.

Starting point is 02:28:54 From all of us here in Indy to you at home, sports are amazing. The NBA Finals are tonight on ABC. Go Pacers. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice that might change their life. We're in this thing together. Team on ABC. Go Pacers. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice that might change their life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. Team on three. Curich, Curich, Curich, Curich.

Starting point is 02:29:12 Be in the team. Oh, my bad, my bad. I was trying to get some friends back. Yeah, I understand. Hey, you did a great job today. The Pacers are gonna make more shots than you. Thank God for that. Ha ha ha ha.

Starting point is 02:29:24 Team on three. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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