The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1359 - Pacers Win NBA Finals Game 3, Adam Schefter, 49ers GM John Lynch, Jaguars Head Coach Liam Coen, Henrik Lundquist, Quentin Richardson, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys recap last night’s incredible game 3 of the NBA Finals that saw the Pacers take a 2-1 series lead over the Oklahoma City Thunder will unbelievable performances from Tyrese Haliburton, TJ McConnell, and Ben Mathurin. They also discuss everything happening around the sports world. They are also joined by five incredible guests including ESPN Senior NFL Insider Adam Schefter (not banned), Hall of Famer and San Francisco 49ers GM John Lynch, Jacksonville Jaguars Head Coach Liam Coen, Hall of Famer, Gold Medalist, and current NHL on TNT analyst Henrik Lundquist, and 13 year NBA veteran and ESPN NBA analyst, Quentin Richardson. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow from inside Gainbridge Fieldhouse ahead of Game 4 of the NBA Finals. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode the Thunderdome on this the paces are up 2 to 1 in the finals This program begins now Sports are happening all around us and I don't know if you saw it last night And if you didn't you missed out on an absolutely magnificent evening here in beautiful You missed out on an absolutely magnificent evening here in beautiful Indianapolis, Indiana the Pacers are currently up two to one in the NBA finals over the number one overall seed Oklahoma City Thunder who are great great ball club SGA what a talent. Yeah, Chet Harvenstein

They're massive animals who are great at basketball love everything they're doing over there. Coach Dags, super genius. Yeah, he is. Oklahoma City only lost 14 games all regular season. Holy hell. Oklahoma City hasn't lost back to back games since 2024. Something to think about as we look ahead to tomorrow night's game four of the NBA finals. But with that being said, oh, who's the hottest team in the NBA since February?

Oh, who's the team that's been shown no respect? Oh, who's the team that's been shown no respect? Oh, who's the team that has been talked about being dog-walked in every single series of this playoff run? The Indiana Pacers put on a show last night in Gainbridge Fieldhouse in beautiful Indianapolis, Indiana. And it wasn't just the Superstars. And that's what makes this Indiana Pacers team so damn great. All season long, since post-all-star break, since they've got onto this run, it hasn't just been one player, hasn't been two players,

hasn't been three players. It's been six to seven different players showing up on different nights and doing their thing. Pascal Siakam was aggressive early. He said, I'm gonna put this team on my back. I'm gonna do my thing. Tyrese Halliburton started scoring. O.B. Toppin was electrifying.

And then whenever you think about O.B. Toppin, you have to immediately think about the bench. Oh, the bench, how'd it do? Oh, T.J. McConnell goes absolutely absurd. The young yins are just start stealing inbound passes as if this was high school basketball. And he was a varsity player taking on a junior varsity team. This is the NBA finals.

T.J. McConnell was in their heads the entire night. And then let's talk about Ben Matherin. and then he's been in the gym for a while and then he's been in the gym for a while and then he's been in the gym for a while and then he's been in the gym for a while and then he's been in the gym for a while and then he's been in the gym for a while and then he's been in the gym for a while

and then he's been in the gym for a while and then he's been in the gym for a while and then he's been in the gym for a while and then he's been in the gym for a while're an unselfish team, they're a group of dogs, and Coach Carlisle has them running people out of the gym. Don't look now. Don't look now. Last year during the playoff run, Pacers were playing all hurt teams, remember? Everybody gets hurt. Everybody gets hurt. Well, they wouldn't know. Well, they wouldn't know. Then this year, well, they wouldn't know. Do you think there's a chance that the Pacers are in better shape than you and the reason why your team potentially gets hurt Is because the Pacers are gonna run you out of the gym

Oklahoma City has a lot of depth Oklahoma City obviously an incredible shape Oklahoma City also not going for a lot of offensive rebounds watching live you see a guy shoot and they're just banking on that falling as three Guys fall back so that they can't get caught in transition, which is what the Pacers have been doing every other team. But if you look late in that fourth quarter, I think there was even a shot of SGA with his hands on his knees. The pace that the Pacers set is tiring. It is exhausting. I don't know how many bodies can keep up with it. To be honest, I don't know how the hell the Pacers are able to do what they do if you watch their games. They are running. It is gassers for four quarters for

NBA basketball and they've done it all season long and I think there's a chance Oklahoma City's getting a little winded. I think there's a chance. We've seen it with the Knicks. We've seen it with the Cavs. We've seen it with the Bucs. You go last year to the playoff series. Everybody but the Celtics. Yeah. And in that Celtics Eastern Conference Finals series, the Pacers were up three out of those four of those games. I think the Pacers thought they should have probably won two to three of those games. Instead they get swept 4-0. Take that lesson into the offseason. Coach Carlisle told us that his main conversation with the boys this offseason was like, hey we need to be in better shape than everybody. And they are. They're a fun team to watch. They're a scrappy team. And these finals games have been electrifying.

And it's a battle. Obviously the two best teams in the NBA and I like to add them silver chit chatting about how our finals games, everybody's comparing the numbers to what they used to be when more people were watching linear television. Everybody's talking about how the numbers are down. Well back in the day they wouldn't be the number one thing on television that night. Now NBA finals games are clearly the number one thing on television. They're outrating everything else other than sports that are taking place. We're in a transition era of linear and digital and social and everything else that's taking place. It's like the world is

interested in this particular series because of how great the basketball is. Even though the numbers linear-wise aren't as big, I guess, as it used to be. Adam Silver's like, we're in a great spot for where the current world is of entertainment And if you watch this team, you can't help but be entertained Tyrese Halliburton back aggressive. Love it Pascal C Ockham, he's got a wingspan of maybe eight feet Yeah, he tried to take off from the foul line on my two dudes like miles Turner also tried to do that now granted It did not work out as well for miles But on defensive end miles Turner becomes the all-time leader in blocks in the history

Of the Pacers It's like this team is fun the Pacers team is ready to win and a lot of people thought Okay, see was gonna maybe get a gentleman sweep after giving up the game number one It feels like now there's a little bit of a tide turning and maybe this Pacers team is for real All they got to do is make it to the Easter Crabb's finals last year make it to the finals this year Have a lead in the finals this year, and people yeah, maybe. Hold on. Maybe they're not bad at basketball. Think about all the storylines around the NBA all year. All the superstars that have been talking about around the NBA all year. Not one of them

was an Indiana Pacer. No. Not one of them was about any of our superstars, which we have many, and not one of them was about a team that's up, which we have many. And not one of them was about a team that's up in the NBA finals right now, two to one. Our city is a buzz. Last night was electrifying. I couldn't even sleep after the game last night. I was up to like 3 a.m. Just thinking about how electric Gainbridge was

and how awesome our city is gonna be today, going into the weekend, and then let's not even start thinking about it. Yeah, don't start thinking about it. Don't start thinking about it. There's no point. Don't do it. I did about it. Yeah. Don't start thinking about it. Don't start thinking about it. Don't do it. I did last night as well. Don't start thinking about it though.

Let's go to the talk table at boss of Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Con man, obviously the Celtics have the most titles in the NBA history. Yeah. You've obviously experienced a parade or two because of the Celtics and also because the Patriots and the Red Sox, I get it. But here in the Bruins certainly seems like those are long, long gone. Long gone. Yeah. Marshawn is still doing it for you guys though. Yeah. So don't I get it. But here in the Bruins certainly, seems like those are long, long gone. Long gone. Yeah, Marshawn is still doing it for you guys though.

Yeah, so don't worry about it. But whenever you think about like parades, the Indiana Pacers have never won. Never. This is a state of basketball, a city of basketball, a city that loves this Pacers team. This Pacers team represents the city of Indianapolis, have never won. Now we are two wins away from it.

It's hard not to get electrified. It's hard not to get excited about it. I think that's where Indianapolis is right now. Yeah, it's impossible to put into words like the parades that I have been able to experience with New England sports teams, what it really means for some of these people. Like just the 25 years since the Pacers

have been to the finals. The thing about, you you know some kids have just Never who are 25 24 years old is the first time they're experiencing it think about the dudes who are 50 50 55 I mean there's a tweet during the Knicks series of you know Ron from Fishers, Indiana sitting next to Timothy Chalamet, you know clapping that was for the team that guy that guy probably lives and dies Oh, yeah, his kids got him tickets for Bingo. Yeah, and they just so happen to be right next to Timothée Chalamet And he's in every single photo. It's like that's our dad sitting next to Timothée Chalamet lifelong Pacers fan We got him a tickets for as a gift because how much he loves it just so happen to be against Right next to the next biggest movie star on earth at this game. It's like the city is loving

Yeah, the the city this the, I mean, the crowd last night, I was joking around during the program yesterday saying these Patriots fans are pretty quiet. The crowd last night was unbelievable. After you cut your promo, they won on a 16 to seven run, but immediately after your promo as well, they played Welcome to the Jungle and that whole place was going nuts and that was perfect. I actually went to the bathroom after that

little run they went on and you could hear the crowd from the bathroom. That's how impressive it was. Very proud of all those people, but when it comes to the parades, I really can't even and Ty said it, don't even think about it, don't even think about it, and I agree. Pacers aren't thinking about it. Yeah, I know they are. I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about it. Yeah, I mean, it is what it is.

Ty, a lot of people are saying you had maybe nine to 10 Jack and Cokes last night, because I saw you reenact. I posted you reenacting Matherins. Yeah, huge, huge and one, big. That was a momentum. This was early in the game. It was. We knew Matherin was about to have a night

We did I don't think a lot of people know Benedict math room I don't think a lot of people know his stuff I watched him against the Knicks sub in for Tyrese and they took over the game that hurt last year Yeah, it's like we have a lot of guys on the bench that are understand their role I think they appreciate their role and whenever they get in they get their opportunity They take over the bench won the game last night by far now Tyrese one rebound away from a triple double Everybody yeah, I think from Tyrese Halliburton and that dunk whenever he stands over the ball I thought there's a lot of people call for like a delay a game because Oklahoma City Thunder were nowhere way back

There were nowhere near the entirety. It was like that place, the roof blew off a few different times. Thank you to the Pacers for allowing me to have a microphone. Once again, expensive suite. Sure. Was it a suite? Was it a suite?

Yeah. They created a suite for us to be in. That's very kind of them. It was sweet. Put up drapes, charge us suite prices for sure. Yeah. Had a great night with the entire team, obviously.

And then they go, hey, will you do the thing? And I'm like, sure, what an honor. NBA finals. So you have to think what you're gonna think about. There was a small OKC contingency over to our left and they were rather loud. Yeah. And I actually, I thought to myself like they are a passionate bunch over there. And you watch on TV in Oklahoma City, their fans are a part of the game. Coach Carlisle's come out and been like, hey, this fans are a part of the game. Coach Carlos come on been like hey this fan base is part of the game. Players have been like hey OKC is the best place on earth and I think like Pacers fans are like what

do we chop liver? Yeah what? What do we chop liver over here? Do you do you think we're not like a college team? You don't think we're like a small market team that absolutely loves our team? You don't think we're a group of fans that are incredibly pumped for the first time in 25 years we're hosting a finals game and I'll tell you what it did get a little deafening in there it was I felt pretty good oh yeah nice little reaction I was called shout to Grady to Grady former PA announcer Mike Grady former PA announcer for the Indiana Pacers he whenever did the Nets job I forget where he's at now he's an

Indiana guy black dude handsome great voice voice. Friend of mine back in the day, he's the one who created the Indy and everybody say, and happy everybody rolled with that. But that is kind of a daunting chant. We need to keep that thing around. I think we need to keep that moving even though Grady moved on. And this Tyrese Saliburton led Indiana Pacers team,

they're locked in. They understand what happened last year against the Celtics. Everything they chat about is like, we got three wins two more wins four more wins last year was like hey We're six wins away from an NBA title. They seem to be locked in coach Carlisle's locked in this series Has been electrifying the Oklahoma City Thunder are favored by six and a half tomorrow night in Indiana They have not lost back-to-back since 2024. So we're obviously six months into 2025. That has been a long time for them to lose back to back games. But we shall see how the Pacers respond, how Pascal, Ty Reese,

Miles Turner, Neesmith, such a good shooter. Mm-hm. Oh, yeah. He's changed his name to Threesmith. That'd be cool. I mean, no questions asked. Because there was a couple where he's off balance, and he's just like shoving it It's like falling. It's like this guy is the truth. He might be one of the best shooters in the league Yeah, never gets talked about some believe this entire team never gets talked about

Anything they do never gets talked about now The world is kind of being forced to recognize a little bit that the Pacers are a bulk club So is Oklahoma City. Yeah, I'm Rick Carlisle Like I think that was a big takeaway from watching the game. They changed how they regard an SGA. Everyone see an SGA 9 to 20, only had 24 points, only had six free throws. But Carlisle was starting to double them when they did that kind of ISO situation. And then it kind of led to a bunch of rush shots.

So you talk about you Donnis Haslam saying yesterday, Hey, we got to the finals. Then Rick Carlisle just throws out this zone. It's like, well, this is kind of happening with SGA now. Now all of a sudden he's getting doubles when he's going to those corner ISO spots where usually he does just get to the hoop, get free throws. And it's unbelievable from him. UD said you need to look for the pick and roll

at the big man at the elbow. Ty Reese and Miles Turner ran the same pick and roll at the elbow Ten times several times in the second half. I think and it was like you what you do Hey, we need you do you on a program? Yeah, guy knows ball shout to Q rich coming by Darius miles coming through Shams Shrani you broke some news pissing people off. I don't know if you guys saw Yonis said he certainly pissed Yonis off I miss woach. Yeah. Oh shut up. Be honest. We do not Okay, and this has happened before with Jimmy Butler news. Yeah in Miami, you know Shams gets tried because he's a young buck

He looks younger than everybody else and he's new to this game and some people's eyes. It's like we'll see We'll see. I think that's Shams big thing. We'll see a lot of these insiders know stuff before everybody else That's kind of their job and there's been plenty of times where insiders say something. And even the direct people that are part of it are like, No, no, no. And then the insider just sits there like, Okay. I think it was Rap before one time had a guy injured.

Said this guy's going to miss first two weeks of the season or something like that. Is it J.K. Dobbins? Yeah, and J.K. Cap, Cap. That ain't real. And then Rap was like, Okay. We will see. I assume Rap was talking directly to the doctor.K. Dobbins? Yeah, and J.K. Cap, Cap, that ain't real. And Rap was like, okay, we will see. I assume Rap was talking directly to the doctor or to the trainer. And then all of a sudden, lo and behold,

it was like the first four weeks or something like that. And Rap's just like, yeah, I mean, it gets hot in the kitchen every once in a while. Happened to Shams with the Miami Heat with Jimmy Butler. I think Riley came out and even said something against him. Coach came out and said something against him. I think Jimmy Butler even came out and said something against him. And Shams just sat in there saying. I think Jimmy Butler even came out and said something against him.

And Shams just sat in there saying, we'll see, we'll see. Everybody on TV started attacking Shams. This guy had no shit, this guy had no shit. And then lo and behold, Jimmy Butler traded the Golden State Warriors and everything he said was right from the beginning. We'll see on this particular case if he is still swinging hot bat. But shout to Shams coming through. Everybody that came, Terry Crews I think was here in the game think was here A lot of people came through the city. We're very thankful you came into those Oklahoma City fans that traveled out here. Hey Thought you had a good performance good on you. Let's go to one half of the hammer dad cowboys a p-toed It's not just the NBA finals. It's not just the Stanley Cup finals, which continue this evening Can't wait to watch that four straight days of final sports sports Yeah, Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday all sports and then Sunday, of final sports. Of sports, yeah. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, all sports.

And then Sunday, of course, you have the U.S. Open final. And then Monday, we're back in the NBA finals. On that note, U.S. Open is happening in our hometown. You used to be a caddy at Oakmont. What is happening this morning? It feels like guys are shooting better than I thought they were going to. Yeah, 125th U.S. Open at Oakmont Country Club in Pittsburgh. Look at the merch on this. This was a gift from Coach Diggs for Christmas.

He knew what he was doing. Thanks, Coach. Yeah, thanks, Coach. I like that you said it seems easier than people thought. The course is about as gettable as it's going to get this morning. The dew hung around a little bit, but boy, when Oakmont is going to show her teeth

this afternoon, guess how many guys are under par? There's 80 guys on the course. I would say I saw the leaderboard. I'd say at least nine Eight eight guys under par on 80 guys on the course I mean doesn't feel like a lot but it is kind of get a war right now They said the do stuck around a little bit is gonna dry out later It's gonna get really really quick. Your leader right now is JJ spawn He's the 25th ranked golfer in the world. Here he is making a birdie putt to go four under. He sticks at four under right now.

Four birdies in the front nine. Yes. Four Spahn to start his U.S. Open. That's a hell of a start. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other couple of big names, we talk about the majors and like the majors, the big names are going to win. Scotty won a major this year. Rory won a major this year. majors and like the majors, the big names are going to win. Scotty won a major this year. Rory won a major this year. The big names Rory, he is battling right now. He's even, he's in ninth place right now, but that's him saving bogey. There's a lot of good bogey saves on the course this week. He saved bogey there to stay in the top ten and then Bryson, who is also the other big name on the course, who won the US Open last year. This is him also with a huge bogey save. He misses that, that goes 10 feet past the hole.

That's a bogey save there. He is plus one. So like the big names right now, they're hanging in there. But JJ Spahn is your current leader on the course. US Open is a wonderful time because the courses are always so hard. Oakmont this year has been heralded as the most difficult course that it has been in a long time.

Eight guys under par out of 80. Scotty tees off this afternoon. 125, I believe. Okay, so we'll be excited to watch him. He's the odds on favorite to win this thing. And they also give a shout out to Plum throwing the broadcast, which I respect. Shout out to Plum.

It's where the ballers ball and the players play. It's where the ballers ball and the players play. I showed the boys Oakmont East was on the broadcast earlier, which is all in Plum. 90% of the course is in Plum, but the clubhouse sits in Oakmont. That's why it's Oakmont Country Club. Yeah, and Toreco, you know, he mentioned Plum. Let's make sure we're, let's make sure we're pointing over to Plumboro. Tom Mustangs here.

Rudy Sobs, Mustangs. Let's make sure we're, you know, let's make sure we're acknowledging Plum as the place that's holding it down. Sure it down. Oakmont is a beautiful little town. Beautiful little town. Beautiful little town. You just have a great time down there to be honest. Oakmont's a lot of great bars. Yeah, nice little strip. Beautiful, beautiful setup down there in Oakmont. With that being said, everybody that's at Oakmont usually hangs out with people from Plum and Plum will hold down to grittiness, you know. That Oakmont course is trying to be like it's from Plum. Sure. It's trying to be tough.

We shall see how it holds up all weekend. Thank you for the update. Speaking of an update, I learned a lot about my business this morning and another article, which has been a great news. Seems like that happens all the time. I don't know if it's just normal par for the course. I guess it's just life these days.

There's so many of them, it's hard to keep track of. But when that rat writes something, you know, it is nice to just be like, well that's bullshit immediately. Joining us now, a band man, ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider for ESPN, friend of the program, Michigan man, Adam Schefter. Pat, as I was saying when I was so rudely interrupted three months ago, Aaron Rodgers is gonna sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers. You're on top of the chapter.

You're on top of it. Great to see you. Hope your off season is going swimmingly. Let's talk about some of the news that has certainly happened around the NFL. Aaron Rodgers officially with the Pittsburgh Steelers. TJ Watts contract, I guess, would be next. What are you hearing out of Pittsburgh? And what are the vibes like with the trigger man

number eight in town? Well, I think that the Steelers feel comfortable that they'll be able to work out something eventually with TJ Well, but this has been going on for a while This is not something new and sudden other than the fact that he decided to stay away from the mandatory minicamp Which is a simple statement to make it cost players about a hundred and seven thousand dollars to make that statement And when they put that into the collective bargaining agreement in the most recent CBA, it seemed like a lot of money. But when you're talking about upwards of $30-plus million a year, $107,000 is really a small

pittance for these guys at this point in time. And sometimes they feel like it's more important to make a statement to the team about how they feel than it is to show up and avoid being fined. James Cook who's still on that rookie deal He has to go in because he can't afford the fines and he wants that money These guys have made money and they're gonna make a lot more money And so they could afford to stay away whether it's JJ Watt or Trey Hendrickson or even Terry McLaurin They can afford that hundred and seven thousand Tougher for a guy like James Cook,

but I think Pittsburgh and T.J. Watt will figure out a way to get it done and then get him in the fold and whoever would have thought that on the very first day that Aaron Rodgers would practice with the Steelers that he wouldn't even be the biggest headline. It would be the absence of the heart and soul

of that team, T.J. Watt. T.J. Watt, last player introduced when the defense is introduced for Pittsburgh Steelers home games. Obviously a pillar. It feels like everybody thinks it's gonna get figured out TJ's holding out though. So TJ still I think Saying it's gonna get figured out. Okay, we shall see I hope it is because the Steelers having a chance to make a real run at it is seemingly reality You mentioned Terry McLaurin tones gonna ask about that in a matter of moments, but I would like to talk about

You talk about people leaving minicamp and defining what it is. Cincinnati has an interesting situation brewing and I know Bengals fans don't like us pointing this out but it seems like this is a big-time Bengals move. Trey Hendrickson obviously situation happening we've covered that pretty much in great detail who knows how that ends up playing. Shamar Stewart though number number 17 overall pick. Whenever we heard him talk for the first time and he said like, yeah, the numbers weren't right for me or whatever, it's like, okay, dude, you're a rookie. Shut up, just show it.

That was my first reaction. Then now we start reading and learning a little bit more. There was some clause that was wedged into this contract that the Bengals had never done before. And then it's basically gonna void future years of contracts instead of just one year of a contract and Shamar and his agent are like we're not going to be the guinea pigs of this entire thing so I'd just like to ask for a little bit more clarity from you is this a normal clause that other teams have are the Bengals the first team to do this

and why are we currently in this situation and how does it end? It's not a normal clause. That's why Shamar Stewart is objecting the way he is. Now it's a little strange to me the fact that as an unsigned rookie, Burszron Drepik, that he's in the building with the team. And I know he wanted to be with his teammates, but who's not a team employee? Who's not under a contract that goes in to work and shows up there. Like the biggest statement you could make is not being in the building. And that's why I believe this morning he was not there. He's not showing up anymore until he signs that contract. The Bengals wanted to include that clause in there that basically said that he would have to forfeit bonus money, guaranteed

money if he was not on the roster through the length of that contract and these rookie contracts were Guaranteed through the last CBA that was one of the stipulations Rookie salaries first round direct pick salaries went down But they became guaranteed and now the Bengals wanted to apparently insert a clause that would Essentially nullify some of those guarantees if he got cut which he didn't want to sign I understand that like he doesn't want to be the guinea pig here. He doesn't want to set precedent over some rookie. And I would imagine if he holds his ground, he'll eventually get what he wants, of course. But it creates a very difficult situation for a guy who needs the work with

coaches to be developed. They need him as a player to be a major part of that defense. The defense had question marks as it is. They already don't have Trey Hendrickson in there. They certainly could use their rookie first round traffic who you would think would be easy enough to sign, but alas, not so easy to sign him, not so easy to sign Trey Hendrickson. Neither player is there. And you lose some of the momentum that you built up when you got Jamar Chaz and T Higgins signed together this off season.

It feels like you know the Cincinnati Bengals are certainly taking steps forward become a 21st century franchise. You know an organization obviously we've talked about it they have an indoor bubble now they sold the rights to their stadium so they can make some money off it. It felt like Katie Blackburn was really moving the Cincinnati Bengals into a positive place as opposed to the bungles conversation That everybody was kind of forced to have but every once in a while and I don't know what the gun laws are in ohio I think I do actually they pull out a big one and then they just shoot themselves right in the foot like this feels like An unforced air almost they just thought that they were going to sneak this by and then now it becomes a big distraction almost

and then you got people outside looking in like only the bangles and it's like i don't think the bangles have been operating like that for a couple years but now with the trey hendriksen situation and this situation it's hard not to just be like why are the bangles always the bangles you know what i mean chef you got to feel that way and well trey is really frustrated and very upset and disappointed and he just feels like this should have been done and it should have been. He has wanted this deal for two off seasons and he wanted to be traded before the draft last year.

They said just come in, produce. He led the league in sacks. They didn't get the deal done at the end of the season, in the off season. And all that's happened since then is other pass rushers have gotten paid. And if anything, it's given him more leverage, boosted his price, but Cincinnati in a more difficult spot. Shemar Stewart is a case where it should not be difficult to sign a single rookie draft pick period.

There's no excuse not to get a deal done with a rookie draft. The CBA has made it a layup. Like we could, we be able to do that deal in three minutes And yet it's turned into an issue where we had the player at the facility Questioning the organization saying they care more about winning arguments than games We got a guy who's never played a snap for the team who's never been an employee for the team Question the front. It's not a great look. It's totally unnecessary.

Totally unnecessary. And also, after I heard Shemar Stewart speak, I was like, I'm on that guy's side. It was hard not to because he was just like calm, composed. And he mentioned this is their contract a couple of times. So it was like the Bengals are saying, we know what the CBA says, but this is our team. This is our franchise.

And it's like, you can tell that was a sticking point. So we hope it gets settled because Bengals fans. You guys are very passionate very loyal I don't think you deserve any of this but the players don't either and that's kind of where we're coming from now Let's talk about some other stories around the NFL tie your co-host of the Adam Schefter podcast Would like to ask you a question. Yeah, chef the what is the latest on Anthony Richardson? We're starting to hear a lot of different things come out. Albert Breer mentioned that he thinks it's more serious. We know he had to go meet Neil Eletrash. I know you said on your podcast that, hey, it might be a

little bit more serious than people know. Is the expectation moving forward now that Danny Dimes kind of has the fast track to be the starting quarterback here And if Anthony Richardson is out for an extended period of time Is there a chance the Colts bring in someone else to potentially back up or compete with Daniel Jones? Well, there's a few things going on here First of all, I think there's a reason that Daniel Jones picked Indianapolis And I think there's a reason that Indianapolis paid Daniel Jones more than the Pittsburgh Steelers are paying Aaron Rodgers because they knew that at some point in time they might have to rely on Danny Dimes.

Now, as for what's going on with Anthony Richardson, I think when you consider his injury history and consider the fact that this shoulder had surgery his rookie year and now it's an issue where they're shutting him down until at least the start of training camp. I think it's problematic. Now, I've gotten a few texts from a few different people, and every time I get one, I go with that information to somebody who would have some information about the Colts quarterback, and they keep saying, no, that's not true, that's not right. But I'll just say that there's a lot of smoke flying around there about the condition of his shoulder, about screws in his shoulder, about the soreness in his shoulder, about how long it might last,

about when he might throw again, and every time I go to somebody that would be in a position to know they say no he's fine he should be ready for training camp. And so I just think for right now it's just one of those lingering questions that's out there. I have questions about whether or not he will be ready for the start of training camp. We don't know when he'll be back there. But in the interim, they've got a guy that they believe in who, by the way, I think, has a lot more respect around the league than people realize. I know the Giants wrote him off, the Vikings were interested in having him back, and I

could tell you that there were a handful of teams out there in precarious peculiar quarterback situations that if they had lost their starter or somehow things didn't work out the way they wanted Daniel Jones was square on their radar they were looking at that guy as a potential starter so the Colts signed him they're paying him more than Rogers obviously they're paying him more than Rogers for a reason I think they believe that they're gonna have to rely on him at the very least at some point in this season Quite possibly early in the season. Daniel Jones is the size of a barn door. He is gigantic I don't think people fully recognize the size of Daniel Jones until you see him in person

I ran into him here in Indianapolis. It was my first time meeting him and literally I'm in my cowboy boots so I got an extra inch and a half two inches on me. I'm standing like six two six three probably in those boots and I'm looking up at this guy and his shoulders gigantic and then you think about his running ability and it's like Shane Steichen's offense with how big and strong Daniel Jones seemingly is could be a great fit. With that being said everything you just said about Anthony Richardson is a bum, could be a great fit. With that being said, everything you just said about Anthony Richardson is a bummer, like legitimately a bummer. I've obviously been pretty outspoken about how this is all gone thus far, how Anthony Richardson has operated as a professional quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts in the past, but then I'm reminded how young he is and how much development was required whenever he got drafted after only playing like five games

in college or something like that. So there's like a development thing that is needed for Anthony Richardson. But if you're not healthy and you can't take reps, you can't develop. And it seems like that has kind of been the carousel that we've been on here because we see all these highlights like the upside of AR. Outrageous. It is outrageous. You're talking about maybe one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks in the history of the NFL, which is why I think

everybody holds on hope that are Anthony Richardson fans. But man, at some point, your best ability is availability. And it has really happened with Anthony Richardson since he's gotten here. Hopefully he gets healthy, if not excited to watch Daniel Jones put on a show. They're putting highlights of DJ right now. He's spinning it. He's spinning it. We shall see.

OK, let's move to a couple other stories around the NFL. You mentioned them earlier. Go ahead, AP Tone. Yeah, Shetty, we talked about the other guys not at minicamp. Like TJ, I feel like we know a bit about that situation. Trey, we don't know how it's gonna end, but we know a lot more about the situation.

Feels like things have been kind of quiet about Terry McLaurin and him not being at minicamp. Like is a sentiment around the team and him that something is gonna get done, or is this something that could turn into more where there's a chance he's not a commander. Look I think that there are various vantage points in any situation like this there's the player side there's the team side. And the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, and I think the team feels like it's going to get something done with Terry maurin. I think Terry McLaurin clearly is frustrated with where talks are at because not only did he not show up for the mandatory minicamp But he hasn't participated in any of the team's offseason activities

He's been a no-show for that and here's a guy that is immensely respected widely beloved within that organization and city he has been the face of that franchise until Jaden Daniels came in and essentially took that crown but elevated the play of Terry McLaurin. When you look at his numbers they're as good as most any receiver around the league. We've seen huge deals given out this offseason. T Higgins and Jamar Chase in Cincinnati, DK Metcalf in Pittsburgh and so with the numbers that he's put up, with what he means to that team, that community, that city, Terry McLoran is obviously trying to get paid now.

He's scheduled to make about $19 million this year. He's headed into the last year of his contract. He wants a new deal, certainly deserving of a new deal. And I believe that the two sides will find a way to figure it out at some point in time. They're just not there right now and it's easy to rattle the sabers in no show on june twelfth to make a lot of noise

it's a different thing when camps beginning or getting close to the preseason if this is going on on august twelfth then it becomes a major concern until then i think we could just sit back and and I think wait for the situation, eventually, somehow, to resolve itself. We assume that the new ownership will want to get Terry McLaurin back in the building, especially with the greatness that they had last year.

We're about to have John Lynch on. Any questions you have for him that we need to ask? They've had a nice, peaceful off-season for them, right? Like, they don't have any drama lingering into the preseason and regular season. I think one of the things that people haven't talked about with the 49ers enough is the transformation of this defense. It's a very new defense. They lost a ton of talent at all three levels and they've made a number of changes. They got really

fortunate because Mikel Williams slid to them in the draft He was a player that they were hoping would make it that far and a lot of people thought he wouldn't make it past New Orleans turn at number nine. He made it to san francisco They added a big defensive tackle in the third round. They traded for Bryce Huff They've added a lot of different parts nick bose is really like the only holdover On that defense and then you lose Dre Greenlaw, you lose Talanoa Hifanga in the defensive backfield. They've lost a lot of defensive... A lot of question marks over there. Right, but they've added, they've done a great job

of finding reinforcements and bringing back Robert Sala and it's just going to be a different defense this season, different than we've seen in other years, but I think it has the potential to be a good defense. All right, Batman, we appreciate you so much. It's great seeing your face. You're the best. Thank you guys.

Nice to be with you. My pleasure. Hey, you're the best. Tell Seth we know. Ladies and gentlemen, that's Adam Schaefker. Yeah. Thank you. All right, ladies and gentlemen, joining us now

is a man who's in two NFL teams ring of honors okay Super Bowl champion Hall of Famer big-ass brain incredible athlete the general manager of the San Francisco 49ers that's got brand new defense whoa whoa is that keeping him up at night look we shall see ladies and gentlemen John Lynch Wow holy, John! Wow! Holy shit. What's up, fellas? What's going on?

Hey, this looks cinematic. Right now, you've got a little blurry background. You're in like 8K. You look jacked. Great shot here, John. I just want to let you know. Much better than Shifty's. That was a much better shot.

I'm going to have to ban his ass for looking as bad as he looks with you. How you doing, John? I'm doing well. I guess you're a big deal because whenever I go on your show, second time now, 49ers Studio comes and takes over my offices. So this isn't like an iPad. This is like a big setup for you. Well, that's because you're John Lynch, brother.

OK, you deserve nothing but the absolute best. And we're thankful that you come on our show. The last time you came on our show, you told like three different stories that both had us inspired, motivated, and entertained. We appreciate you taking time. You're great on TV before you became this general manager. Let's talk about you being a general manager. Massive offseason for you. Sheffield just talked about the defense. We'll get into that in a little bit. I want

to talk about all the money you gave out, okay? Obviously Brock Purdy five year 265 million dollar deal. Everybody that was lingering you get the job done that's a big number you were still able to pay George Kittle Fred Warner two pillars of your team and who have been how do you balance who you pay when because he to Schefter's point this has been a least drama that you've had in an offseason but it's also like the most expensive that you've had since you got there. How do you balance it all and how do you kind of put priority on who you pay when? Well these guys were pretty easy decisions you know Brock's our quarterback and that that was a you know

an easy kind of think-take session like going into this off season is this guy we want to be our quarterback we all looked at each other and said, absolutely. And we went to work on doing a deal and Brock wanted the commitment from us. He has shown tremendous commitment and ability to lead our team. And so it was just, it was too much like right as they say, and we had to get it done. So we did. We were also able to get two of our franchises best players ever.

And that's saying something here with the Niners with Kittle and Fred Warner. Shafty said, Bose is the only holdover on our defense. I think Fred Warner would have a little beef. Hey, I'll bet. But Shafty is on everything, but I know he's got a lot to cover, but Fred, those two guys, um, you know, one, we got in the fifth round from Iowa back in our first draft and in our second draft, Fred Warner came in here, third round pick from BYU.

And they've really kind of been the standard for who we want to be as a team. And so to be able to lock those guys up, our third contracts with them was a big deal for us and so really excited with the work we got done this off season. You know, in order to get guys done like that and pay them the way we did, we did have to go through a little bit of a transformation. We've had pedal to the metal since we've been here paying a lot of great players. And that's a good problem to have. Sometimes if I ever complain, I try not to too much, some other GMs will say well I'd love to have your issues, you know,

you've got a lot of great players. We've been able to do that and but these were core guys. Prior to that though in free agency we watched, you know, a record number in terms of finances of free agents leave here, and that's a that's a hard thing because we've always been adders during free agency But you know you can't pay everyone and so to be able to pay this core to be able to pay our quarterback We had to watch some really good players go Fortunately we had 11 draft picks and it also coincided. You can't get old as a team.

And so we had to let some guys we really loved and we had to get younger. And I think with the 11 draft choices, there's going to be a ton of opportunity for those young players to show who they are. And we like it right now. I always tell folks, ask me in a couple years and we'll tell you how we did, but we like what we were able to do on draft day and infuse some youth onto this roster of core players, future hall of famers and such

and see what we can get done this year. You talk about other GMs saying they'd love to have your problems. There's been other teams obviously that have had great success for a long time that have to rebuild their roster. Obviously you pay the top end and you need the young guys to hit.

The draft is vital in those teams' success. You look at the Patriots for a long time, obviously they had to turn over the team a bunch. The Buffalo Bills have had to do this with their team. The Kansas City Chiefs have had to do this. You guys are obviously having to do this seemingly year in, year out. What is it like whenever you go into a draft?

Like, obviously you say, ask me in a couple years if this was a good hit or not but you're gonna need these young guys to show up with the way you're paying a quarterback like that is just a matter of fact. When you're looking at guys to pick them what is the biggest takeaway? Is it their love of ball? Is it their production? What is your big like kind of point of emphasis whenever you're trying to build or add somebody to your culture? Yeah, first of all, I tell you that like in this job, people

ask me, you know, what's your favorite deal? And I think game day, even though I can't do a damn thing, I just kind of say, let's go boys, you know, have Adam. So I love watching our guys compete, but the draft would be second. And I think the reason why, I know the reason why, is because our entire organization comes together for the draft. And when you're talking, you know, personnel, coaching, R&D, analytics, the chefs who are feeding us, like everybody comes together to, and we all know how important the the

draft it's the lifeblood of of your organization and you know so it's it's really a cool and it's a good question you know what is the you know what is like at the top of the of the list in terms of what is a 49 or who do we want to be 49ers it's really interesting you know something I find every year I challenge our R&D guys our data the whole world's about data right now. What's the data say? You know, what translates into a 49er better than anything? And you know, it's really who these guys are as people.

You know, all these guys, we always say they got to be in the club athletically in terms of a football player. I think we've gone to great lengths to define what we want at each position, but it's their intangibles. Who are they as people? Because as you know, Pat, like the NFL seasons, they're long, they're hard. Um, nothing about this game is easy. So it's the people that can endure, um, the times when they're going to get tough, the practices when they're going to get tough. Do we do two a days and all that anymore? Do we go six-week training camps?

No, but it's still a tough sport. It's uncomfortable. And so who can who has the mental fortitude who has the physical? Attributes but who has those intangibles the competitiveness the The absolute fear of failure or just not allowing themselves to fail That's who succeeds in this league and that I don't think that will ever change you talk about the season being long it's Groundhog's Day too you know so it's like who can wake up every day as if it's the first day you know like that mentality is a big deal being a good locker room guy he's a massive ordeal that's why I like obviously we love Fred he's been on our show a couple times and

is lit it up every time but George Kittle feels like the perfect like locker room guy his energy is somehow always at a hundred he's always positive I saw him at WrestleMania I think it was a few days before you guys got the deal done he looked more jacked than ever and I told him that I was like you look like you're oh yeah oh yeah I'm in great shape right now I think your entire team understands that last year wasn't what your guys's standard is last year was an anomaly as opposed to the regular and I think last year the expectations of your team changed like four days before the season started as somebody that drafted Christian McCaffrey in the

first round of my fantasy football draft to learn just a few days beforehand like hey This might be a little bit different year for the Niners Ty has a question for you John Yeah, John when that news came out and everyone was saying actually, you know It might be a little bit more serious than people thought anytime you hear Achilles Even though it was just tendonitis it kind of made everyone pause and that ended up kind of you know It kind of made everyone pause and that ended up kind of, you know, derailing you guys the season before it even started with how big of a, you know, a factor he is in your offense. How's his health going into this year? What have you seen from him and do you expect to have the Christian McCaffrey of old back

this year? We do. And that's, that's really good news for us. You know, I remember when we started, when we started looking at Christian as a trade target, you know, and Kyle and I, I was letting him coach the team, but I would go down there every now and then. Usually when we were traveling and saying,

hey, I think we might have an opportunity. We're going to have to stretch. We're going to have to give a lot. But he's worthy of that. Like, what do you think? And I remember the thing Kyle said, he said, this guy can unlock our offense. And like, what's that mean? Well, it means that Christian running the ball, you see him here, he can bust the long

ones, he can get the gritty tough yards. But then in the pass game, that's where he is not just a runner, he's a difference maker. And if he's not getting the ball, he's attracting attention. When Christian McCaffrey is on a check down, the linebackers aren't going to get quite as deep. Well, what's that do that? It opens it up behind for guys like Ayuk and Kittle. And so, you know, I think that's what Kyle was speaking of when we talked about potentially

grabbing Christian and that's exactly what he was. And so, yes, it was a tough blow when he wasn't healthy. We had players step up. JP Mason, who now has moved on, had a tremendous year. But Christian's different. There's very few needle movers. Pat, that's something. Your old GM, Bill Pullian, you know, and I have talked about, you know, absolute needle movers. Pat, that's something your old GM, Bill Pullian,

and I have talked about absolute needle movers who changed the game. Christian's one of those guys, and he's been that for us, and he's healthy, he's out here. Christian's a guy who can't get enough work, but it's so good for us to see him healthy. He'll actually speak to our team before we leave. It's like school's out for summer today and our last day.

And we always have someone speak about the importance of 40 days away and Christian's going to give that talk today. But I think there's no one better because the way he attacks it, Kyle says, he's like, he's like a walk-on. Um, who's like one of the most talented players in our league, but he's got that walk-on mentality. His dad was the same way I played with his dad in college back when I was a quarterback throwing passes to Eddie McCaffrey, the wide receiver, and

his dad was very much the same way. They're maniacal in their work ethic. And I'm talking about Christian a lot because he's an easy guy to talk about. Yeah, absolutely. And how easy he is to talk about is how mind- we were that he wasn't going to be playing. It was like, wait a second, the whole NFL took a hit whenever it was like Christian McCaffrey is not going to be as present as he has been in the past. You just said he's healthy, he's out here, he's feeling good. Yeah, he's doing great. He's doing great. He's taking a part of every OTA we've had, every off season practice. I mean, that's one thing. You talked about it. Certainly not our standard embarrassing, you know, what happened last year, a lot of reasons for it,

injuries to Christian and whatnot, but ultimately those are just excuses and we had to own that. And we had to take a hard look and say, where can we be better? And when I knew our players took that to heart was day one of off-season program and we had a hundred attendance and for something that's

voluntary and that spoke to me that our players understood we fell way short of our standard and the work's been excellent and now they got to continue that work away from here but these are really important weeks and they're weeks you kind of cringe as a GM, as a member of this, as a player this is when I always knew I had an opportunity, because when you're all here, I think everyone's on a level playing field. When you leave, that's when I knew, okay, I can make up now because we're on our own. And what are you going to do with that time off? And so I hope our players take advantage of it, I think, and have a really good feeling that they will by the way

They've approached this offseason knowing the opportunity we have in front of us. Well, Christian McCaffrey is gonna give a great speech to Boys probably not even gonna leave, you know Normally last day of OTAs that parking lot afterwards sounds like a screech vest, you know, and that's not just the players That's the coaches getting the hell out of there too, you know, for the break. But after Christian McCaffrey talks, I've heard that the expectation is they're calling for more OTAs. Yeah. That's what I heard about the Niners this year.

You mentioned a name there with IU maybe opening up behind whatever Christian gets his linebackers to get sucked up, you know, sucking up those linebackers. And then I, you know, we're saying John, yeah, former quarterback and up, you know, sucking up those linebackers. And then I, you know what we're saying, John, yeah, former quarterback and safety, you know all about those linebackers, get sucked up in there. But let's talk about IU, obviously much different this year than last year.

And you know, Shefford brought up how there isn't a lot of drama or distractions. Felt like that one was loud last year, you know, and I think you would probably even admit that. I think with the way it was being covered with the way showing Up a practice the way things are going seemingly leaving this wasn't gonna work out. It was loud. It was loud It was loud. How is that relationship now? And How do you view that time looking back on it with you?

Relationships good, you know Brandon's been here. He had a tough injury. He he he you know Everyone saw that play against Kansas City. It was crushing for us because Brandon's such a big part of who we are. You know, looking back on the Brandon situation, I think every situation that you go through in life and football in this job, it's a learning opportunity. You know, I look at things like that, like what could we have done differently to have made that a little more seamless. Sometimes those things are tough, they can be contentious.

There's things that I learned that, yeah, would we have done some things differently? I think Brandon, and Brandon and I have had these conversations that are there things he would have done differently? Absolutely. But one thing I think in families, you have little spats and then you give a big hug at the end and you work together and that's where we're at. And Brandon's doing a tremendous job coming back. You know, these guys that are incredibly skilled athletes, they tend to heal a lot faster. It's kind of incredible how well he's healing and, you know, he's putting

in the work. We're proud of Brandon and we're looking forward to him being part of this team He's putting in the work. We're proud of Brandon and we're looking forward to him being part of this team. Moving forward, we made a big investment in him. We're proud to have him part of our franchise and looking for big things from him. And we're gonna let him get right before we get him back on that field. But he's a big, he's an important part of this team. Yeah, him still being there is obviously great for Brock Purdy. Whenever you talk about weapons, you lost a weapon of yours that you've had for a long

time. Go ahead, Con man. Yeah, John, how's the relationship with Kyle Shanahan going since you traded Debo Samuel and drafted three defensive players in the first three rounds? Is that something you guys have kind of gone back and forth about and how has that been this off season? Well, Debo was special to all of us. Um, you know, you talk about the draft and a great draft choice.

I mean, Debo Debo has been that guy for us and, and, um, you know, things happen and, and, uh, you know, Debo's in a great place in Washington. I think he's going to thrive there. Um, as for picking, um, the three defensive players, Kyle was right on board. I promise you. That's one cool thing about Kyle since we've been here. Everyone would think the guy that calls the offensive plays, he's also the head coach of this team and he knows, I think that's one thing we really bond on. I think it goes back to our roots. I obviously played and You know for in Tampa for Monique if and Dungey all that group and then Gruden in

In Tampa. Well Kyle's first job in the NFL was in Tampa and he was on the offensive side of the ball But I think spent most of his time with Monique if and lovey Smith Rod Marinelli Mike Tomlin that whole group and so a lot of our beliefs on football and how you succeed, how you win, we're kind of probably formed through there. I also played for his dad. And so we got a lot of similar beliefs and we challenge each other and try to put the best team out there. But Kyle was on board on those defensive players and

we're fired up about those guys. How about that staff you just mentioned down there in Tampa? Absolutely absurd and also anytime there's something that's Tampa too you know like that place is known for phenomenal defense feels like that's coming back in the world that we're in high shell Tampa too seemingly though at time is a flat circle in this entire football world. I love that you guys focus on defense so much because that was my big takeaway whenever I watch you guys play Seattle.

It's like your defense flies around, like flies to the ball. Now obviously you being one of the leaders of the team, we would expect that because of your expectations and everything like that, but the players are bought in and it feels like your defensive coordinator spot is one that is highly regarded and you've got a familiar face back in the building.

Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, John, does it make it easier for you and coach to draft those young defenders when you know that Coach Salah is going to be back running the defense and it's someone that you're super familiar with and have had a lot of success with? So when you draft those guys that you know they're going to be coached, right?

Yeah, absolutely. You know, Robert was a big part of this thing. I'll never forget when Kyle and I were first putting this thing together. Um, Kyle was still coaching and we had a good idea. He was going to be our guy here in San Francisco. And, uh, sounds like some tampering. Uh, Kyle, you know, asked me, Hey, could you, could you meet with this guy, Robert Sala?

He, I, you know, I, I think he's got the goods to be a defensive coordinator. They were QCs together at Houston. And I remember Robert came down to my house in San Diego, Linda Lynch, my wife, went and bought a grease board from Staples or something so that I could interview him and he could draw some stuff up. And we sat there for like three hours in San Diego. I remember his bald head sweating. We were outside on a nice day and we just talked ball for about three and a half hours and I became a huge fan of Robert Sala, the person, the communicator, his energy, and then what's in here.

And so Robert did great things with us, kind of put together the foundation of a defense that became a really successful one for a long time. And then Salah went on to great things, you know, in becoming a head coach. He earned that opportunity. And, you know, to come back and have the opportunity to bring him back in the fold was huge for us. And it's been a big lift to our building. We got to get back to being a force to be reckoned with on the defensive side of the football. We slid a little bit last year. We got to get that back. We're intent on doing that and Robert's a big part of that. Okay, what does the next 40 days look like for you as you head into training

camp? Hayes in the barn or are you still, there's a lot of free agents still out there. Yeah, a ton of free agents out there. What does it look like for you over this break, if you will? Well, I'm going to go listen to Christian McCaffrey, get a little inspiration, and then we do a team barbecue. But, you know, I think and hopefully. I love that. That's I don't know how many people do that, because literally everybody's trying to get out of the building on those last days.

We always close it out. This has been a tradition since we've been here. We get boutsies and stuff for the young kids We serve some adult beverages make sure everybody's got a good safe ride home but it's a good way to kind of send people their own way and We always close it. We've had Jerry Rice. We've had Fred Warner I spoke one year on the importance of the 40. We don't call it 40 days off. We call it 40 days away because you better be working. And it's a critical time.

So yeah, you're always trying to get better as an organization. But you do know the commitment that comes with these seasons. So you do have to mentally get away a little bit. And so I think sometimes just to remove yourself, we're San Diego folks, so we'll get down there, see my parents and my in-laws and a bunch of friends down there and see our kids as much as we can

and get ready to come back here in this season and get back to our standard here in San Francisco. Enjoy it all, we can't wait to watch. Are you a Peloton guy? Do you run? What do you do? You look jocked right now, you look very jocked. Yeah, I'm struggling,'t wait to watch. Are you a Peloton guy? Do you run? What do you do? You look jocked right now.

You look very jocked. I'm struggling Pat, because I've always been a runner. That's I've enjoyed distance like since I retired. And this was the year 53 years old. My knee just said not anymore. And I always had good knees and it just, my knee said not anymore.

So little pickle ball. I got back on the Peloton because I can't run and been lifting more because I can't run. how you maybe were at bulk season John Lynch. Maybe you come out there How's the pickleball? We got pretty good touch on that thing. We work in the kitchen I like pickleball. My wife was a tennis player So I get humiliated in tennis, but pickleball is like an equalizer. You can compete in pickleball and it's fun Yeah, it's a little bigger ping-pong. Yeah, it's a little bigger ping-pong I feel like the tennis people have you because they're found fundamentals their serves

I know chips the serves are gonna beat you every single time. Yeah, I mean that is they're beating you regardless It's like whenever you go golf with somebody that played high school golf It's like they know what they're doing. You do not pickleball is a great equalizer because your athleticism can kind of make up for it i assume you feel yeah i still get whooped but but i can compete and uh so it's yeah that's what's all good man all right i'll see you on the pellets on this off season on to 40 days away i'm gonna get in there i'm getting a little fat i've been in bulking season for 10 years i need to maybe uh tighten it up a little bit new standard in town and i can't wait to watch you guys get back to your standard. You're the man. Thank you for the time, John.

Yeah, good being with you guys. All right. Please tell everybody we said hello over there. Ladies and gentlemen, General Manager of the San Francisco 49ers, John Lee. Yeah, John. Two Ring of Honors. Yep. It's awesome. Pretty good.

Yeah, pretty legendary. Two franchises like, yeah, we would like to, we'd like people forever to know that he was a member of our team He might be in a third of it. Yeah, probably the Niners. Yeah. Yeah Stanford brain to Wife's a tennis player. I Bet you she was beating his ass. Oh, yeah. He was so mad broke You know, he's like super calm there and he is like intellect, you know

But competitive you don't get into the Hall of Fame Super Bowl champion two rings of honors without being a freak Yeah competitive, you know without destroyed some rackets. Just we're taking these things off the ground Yeah, I assume can't I just can't return a serve I don't know what the fuck I'm supposed to do back and is there a different version of this thing pickleball babe. Let's do it He's staying up. Yeah this. Yeah, those shoes would look pretty good on a pickleball. Oh, you're talking about the gold Halleys? That's what we're looking for. Yeah. These are Larry O'Brien gold, bub. That's right.

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for full details. Sports. Say what? These gold shoes are loud. Yeah, I just saw them for the side. They are loud. But I'm supporting Halle. That's right. I'm a Halle Big Balls supporter from the very beginning. Feels like he is on his bullshit. Feels like that entire Pacers team is ready to shock the world. Throughout the entirety of this playoffs, everybody that has a microphone in front of them on television,

other than us, and you, Donnis as has them have picked the Pacers to loose It was like that against the Bucs was like that against the Cavs It was certainly like that against the Knicks and now against Oklahoma City. Yeah Well, somebody's gonna get him and now this Pacers team is just stack chips stack chips stack chips Continue to play basketball the way that they play which is yep. Hey a lot of this a lot of this I talked to some people that maybe live out there in hollywood you know and they say what is it about this pacer's team that you think i go hey they fucking run you they will run you we're gonna find out if you're in shape

we're gonna find out if your team can keep up the oklahoma city team definitely can i'm not saying that they can't that's why they are in the NBA finals. But if you look in that fourth quarter last night, just like in the past series, there is a chance that the Oklahoma City team is starting to feel the effects of the pace that the pace are set in these games. It is a wonderful brand of basketball to watch. We are lucky to have them here in Indianapolis. And last night was a great time. I've been a part of a live event like that in a long time. Everybody dialed in. Everybody having a good time. I haven't been a part of a live event like that in a long time. Everybody dialed in. Everybody having a good time. And immediately afterwards, everybody standing up,

everybody in our arena as they were exiting, flooded into the streets. That continued in the entire city. There was chance until 1.32 a.m. on a Wednesday night in Indianapolis, Indiana. Obviously the NBA finals are always gonna bring a great atmosphere, but whenever you got two small markets that have been discredited, and I'll say that about

the Oklahoma City Thunder as well. 14 losses during a regular season. Didn't hear a lot of conversations about this Oklahoma City Thunder team. It was always like, can they get the job done? Can they actually do it when it matters? It was never like, hey, SGA, MVP, this young team plays on a string.

Coach Daggs hasn't figured it out. It was always like, nah, SGA, MVP, this young team plays on a string, Coach Daggs has it figured out. It was always like, nah, we'll believe it when we see it. And the Pacers, they just had no conversation. They might as well have been in the WNBA. They might as well have been in the MLS. They might as well have been in the G League. They didn't even talk about the Pacers. They wouldn't even put their playoff games

on national television. That was actually happening. They were putting it on off channels because they thought nobody would want to watch this Pacers team. Au contraire, Molle Frere, this Pacers team is electrifying and they are currently two-one over the Oklahoma City Thunder

in the NBA finals and Miles Turner on the defensive side last night. Hey, hey, hey. Start out not great for our team. We had a guy shoot off the back side of the backboard early. Now that might have been blocked. We had a couple air balls early and it was like whoa. Oklahoma City was up like 10 very early. Yeah. And all the people that were thinking Oklahoma City figured out what Indiana is after that first game loss that they gave away. This is going to be a gentleman sweep. They were empowered early in that game.

And then the Pacers do, did what the Pacersers do which is keep fighting, keep chipping away, keep running, keep playing their style of ball. We'll get a substitution in that'll ignite something in this Pacers team now two wins away from the NBA final. Wow. Crazy. Championship. There's a parade. Yeah don't think about it. Yeah. You know what you should think about? Huh? Those chants that were going until 1.32 a.m. on Wednesday night, what they'll be on a Friday night. Yeah, games on Friday night. Think about that.

Tomorrow night, games on a Friday night. And bars here in Indianapolis, I don't want to snitch on anybody, and I think all the cops and alcohol enforcement knows this. They seemingly don't have a last call after a big event no so that is uh that is something about our city that is spectacular you know uh we are obviously home of hoosier hospitality of course there are massive sporting events that shout to john k which we've learned about yeah we're reminded we're reminded of all the big sporting events that happen here in indianapolis which there are a bunch Final Four's national championship Super Bowls, you name it Olympic trials happen here

There's like a 10 title big 10 championships like so many things happen here in Indianapolis Easy to get to have the hotels everything's connected all the restaurants and bars are ready for people from out of town to come Into town like very very a very much a perfect city to host things But whenever something awesome happens late the entire city also knows like okay, so maybe 230s normally Seemingly that thing will run till 334 a.m. You know they will they'll give a little bit of a runway for people to have a good time if they are looking to do As such safely obviously monitored everybody needs to be home safe and have a good time here But with the conventions that come into town,

let's say a bunch of farmers roll into a place, you know, 1.30, 2 a.m., looking to have a good time on a Thursday because they just had the greatest convention that they've ever had. Indianapolis will say, you know what, yeah, let them have a couple more beers. Sure, enjoy.

And that happened last night, and if it happens tomorrow night, now, the Oklahoma City Thunder haven't lost the back-to-back game since 2024, which is a different year than the year we are currently in the middle of. Yeah. Okay, that's a long time ago. Long time.

So if the Pacers were able to win back-to-back games against his Oklahoma City team, that would be something that has never really been done against his Oklahoma City team. And that would be something that would be worthy of a celebration. But inevitably, they're going to have to at some point. Something's going to have to give with both of these teams. The Pacers hadn't lost back-to-back games since March the Oklahoma City Thunder having lost back-to-back games since 2024 it's like who's gonna budge who's gonna give we shall see tomorrow night here in Indianapolis, Indiana The talk state was here at Boston Connor and that Ty Schmidt Ty. How you doing? Not great I was just gonna write down red alert both ends

I don't know what it is But I don't know if it's us talking about the the Pacers because I was very excited last night I will say if you're a Pacers fan and we talked about this a little bit I don't think they they haven't particularly played their best game either. I kept looking up and like look not yet Yeah, the three points shooting stats and it's like, you know, they'd be up by 10 and you and it's like they're only shooting 30% From three like they still they still haven't reached their peak So I think if you're a Pacers fan fan like that's that's what you're pointing to It's like hey, everyone's kind of counting us out still and we're still you know underdogs in every single game

Like they still haven't played their best game yet A lot of people were predicting this potentially from you last night whenever they saw you on the internet Doing a math or any, you know, yep. I think the first comment was actually Ty thought about having one and Actually had one were you thinking about having one last? I was thinking about having one but you guys can all attest I had two drinks last night. That was it. I mean, it was it, you know, it was a Wednesday night What am I what are we gonna do? But no, I had a grilled chicken sandwich for lunch and I was battling, you know pooping my pants and throwing up that that whole first hour and

I'm kind of still in the throes of it right now. I'm just trying to hang on as long as good news you got khakis on yeah exactly you know and there's no wrestling ring for you to slide through no that's good why that's why this this one was actually going to be through this door because that that's what that's how red alert red alert that's how red alert we're talking one half of the hammer die cowboys ap tony might have to slide out of the way is tied to sides Attic and basement here we go and we're off. It is 108 here at the Thunderdome as time I'm gonna be as quick as I can good luck man. I get this fucking thing off There's like 50 comments last night

I know on the Instagram and on X. They were like, Ty's going to be in trouble tomorrow. Ty's going to be, he said he had a grilled chicken sandwich. That's obviously what the problem is. Of course. Yeah. He only had two drinks. I drove him home.

He was not drunk. I can attest to that. Okay. Good friend. These are good people. These are good people. Thank you, Tone, for being such a good neighbor and driving Ty home. We mixed it up a little bit.

I mean, if Ty only had two drinks, I feel like I had a few. Yeah, we got after. It's that fun. Yeah, like that, you weren't joking. That environment, I haven't been in something like that. And of course, I've never been to a finals game in general, so thank you for having us. But seriously, the amount of like meaning in the game itself I haven't been around that probably since I went to the Patriots Super Bowl against

the Rams thank you for that as well yeah you can feel it yeah one of my favorite basketball games I've ever been like our entire suite we were fired up we're it wasn't just us it felt like everybody was dialed in it was so awesome for the entire it was it was a great experience and Shout to the Pacers. They're seemingly to their their organization. They're doing it right, too Yeah, it's like they very much are worrying about the little things like they would like this to be Excellent. They like to be great. Half-time not all the little things. Yeah, the halftime was so we need the same national anthem Okay, we did we did not expect that to be an NBA finals national anthem. I agree. Started out terrible.

Got better as the song went on. Good closer. OK, so it started out a little bit rough. I think everybody in the arena went. Oh, is the NBA finals? Then we go back. Let's play respect to the flag here. And then as the song continued, got better. Yeah, I think at the end, we're like, all right, way to the flag here. And then as the song continued, it got better. Yeah. And at the end, we're like, all right, way to close that one out.

That was good. Kind of got worse. The halftime decision, that's Red Panda. That is, you roll out old faithful there. You put Red Panda out there. Rest in peace. I don't think quick change is still around. But you need to put something out there that we know is a smash. Now, Kevin Lahebi,

Ken Lahebi, Kenny Lahebi with his bike in what he did last night. Certainly impressive. Awesome. Okay. He was doing a big time bunny hops. He was rolling around on a front tire. He was jumping from a wheel to a square to a thing to a ladder but over the pace mates Yeah, it's six pace mates. He haulied over. That was pretty good. I was it was really good, but Where we were sitting it was hard to that wasn't NBA. It was hard to see that that was very scary That was a Tuesday night November against the Atlanta Hawks halftime show King curve So we don't know who booked the halftime show, right?

Okay, we don't know if that was the NBA because they kind of take Curve. So we don't know who booked the halftime show. Right. Okay. We don't know if that was the NBA cause they kind of take over the building. We don't know if that was a Disney ESPN cause they run the show or if that was the Pacers that were actually booking that. So we will get to the bottom of that. The national anthem was not what we thought

it was going to be for the NBA finals. Although finished it well. Halftime, halftime show. I think we just didn't fully comprehend how extreme he was. It was hard to really calibrate from where we were sitting in the arena how difficult and crazy what this guy was doing. Because when I was a kid, we had a lot of bikes. We were in a bike generation. With pegs.

Pegs, people ride around, we're grinding. And every once in a while, you take the brakes off so you don't have the wires going around the front and you know and every once in a while you take the brakes you take the brakes off so you don't have the wires going around the front and you could really do some shit on those bikes you know you can put that thing up on the front wheel and then you can roll around with your foot on the back of that front wheel I don't want to say I was doing that as a 10 year old but potentially 11 years old I was doing that in Pomborough and wasn't the only one, you know, I actually have a scar right here on my jaw From taking a bike off a big-time jump that I thought I was prepared for We had sick jumps in the woods Sick jumps in the woods. I mean I tried to jump over a crick. We're crick boys

I tried to take one of these bikes up over top of it. Boom. I bust in. We're in a bad spot So I am a fan of bike riders BMX riders I am a fan of what you're able to do piece of metal two wheels. I just think it was very difficult for There's a lot of people just walking out. Okay, cuz it was like I don't know how difficult this or no fire Some jumps and ramps were been sweet. We grew up in the Matt Hoffman Dave Mirrored BMX era So we've seen all that stuff what he was doing some basic flatland BMX stuff out there. And it was like, come on buddy. I don't think he had metal pedals.

Like there was no. Yeah, there's no fear of the shins getting back. No, it was making it back. He was a talent. He was a talent. Like he very, very. He was great. He was very, very, very good.

But it's like. He had a Red Bull helmet, so you know he's good. Yeah, you don't just get that thrown. Bingo. You don't just get that crown, I'm sorry. Those aren't decals. Yeah, they're not just throwing that helmet on anybody. So I think it did great, but we were certainly setting up our goal and right panning the

fucking rules out here. Six balls. That's a good thing though, is that, you know, we're after a finals game, we're talking about the two things being maybe not great from it and it's not the basketball. It's the team. Maybe it's a Friday night act. Hold on. I'm watching a video right now.

This guy doing other tricks. This would have been impressive. Like this is not what he did. He did not do. Now he's bouncing off the bop and off the back. But if you, he didn't do this. No, he didn't do any of that. It was a different setup. It was more of a, it was like three boxes. I see him jump to six basements. Now with when he had the one lane like a star and he was do-si-do and over top of her back tire front tire over your torso over your leg let me dance over here. That's cool. It was that was cool there was a lot he

had a lot of talent but we think we should have had one there. Yeah no doubt about it. One of the silver lining though from this entire thing You know Because the Pacers are in the finals going on a run here and there's a chance You know everybody in the city's tasting that greatness the Colts are gonna look at this and be like, okay Now this is what we are kind of looking to become. This is what we want to be. There's nothing like kind of cross-town pressure want to be. There's nothing like kind of cross town pressure from your other sports teams that can really actually take those teams. Okay, hey, we can't be the joke of the city.

And I'm not saying the Colts are a joke. Their halftime shows are reminding me that their halftime shows were a joke. That's kind of where my brain went to when talking about poopy halftime shows. But for shoot the the Pacers being good is very good If you are a massive Colts fan because that will cause them to city lifts the city exactly the expectations pressure wanting to Contribute to city I think that is and you know I do believe some of Colts ownership was in the building last night That's the Colts ownership the Earth's a family Massive supporters of the Pacers. I mean massive supporters of the

Pacers always have been. Love everything they got. Last tweet. Yeah, his last tweet literally is like, hey go get them Simon, let's go do this for the city. So it's like the Colts and the Pacers have a great relationship, but to your point I heard there are some Colts players that were in that building last night and you can't help but kind of feel Like hey, this is what it could be you want it. Yeah, especially if you're a quarterback It's new to town. No doubt and you're potentially, you know experiencing Indy for the first time He was at the Indy 500 got a chance to feel that got a chance to experience the city now

He's at an NBA Finals game in Indianapolis. It's like he is Fully fit and I like that that Daniel Jones is out and about. Yes. I like that he's trying to learn about the city, experience the city. Last night, he was a part of Chance last night on the streets after the win. It's like, I love everything about what's going on.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who is in an attic in Ohio. He is a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner. We missed him yesterday, but thank God he's here today. He's never been banned. But if he says one more. Yeah.

We know. Ladies and gentlemen, Adrian Hawke. Adrian Hawke. You told me a guy at halftime doing big time bunny hops was not, didn't live up to the expectations you had. I didn't know it was big time bunny hops guy coming in. So I didn't have any expectations. And when he rolled onto the court, I was like,

he's on like a mountain bike. He's not, it's not a dino or a mongoose. Like we had back in the day. That's like a mountain bike. Yeah. You're right. It is like a mountain bike, but the seat very low, obviously don't want to get it in the way.

And if he, he did a little bit of that. He did a little bit of that. When he was doing the dancing right there He was dancing a cool a pace mate. He had a pace mate laying down on ground Starfish like such and he was bang bang boom boom boom boom bouncing over her head even and then he dropped that thing What yeah, there it is There it is There's somebody in like a knife like when you spread your hand out you do the knife real fast in between your fingers You remember when everybody started doing that? That was a bad time.

It was a fun game. Bad idea. The pencil was already problematic enough. And then the people who would take it outside of their fingers and think that we didn't see that. It's like, hey, we know you're not putting that thing down in between your fingers. Kind of bullshit right now.

Shout out to the Pacers. We missed you yesterday. A lot of people asked where you were. I told everybody that I said, AJ, no reason to travel out. We only have so many chairs. Q Rich traveled in, Darius Miles traveled in. I don't know if you got a chance to feel it

through the screen. Indiana is alive right now, AJ, and we do need you over here. It's amazing. Well, first off, the show yesterday, I mean, Q Rich, I agree, shooting in 20 mile an hour gust, that's pretty tough to do.

So- Yeah, it's kind of rude of us looking back on it. Double rim, rubber ball, I get it. My daughter shoots outside every night, I'm rebounding for her in the winds, you've got to figure that out. It's awesome, I know you guys were there, but it definitely comes through on the TV. You can tell, there's a moment happening right now in Indianapolis. Now that we're up 2-1, you definitely can let your mind wander into what this might look like here shortly.

We're thinking about having one here. We're thinking about having one. Ty left ten minutes ago by the way. Grilled chicken sandwich always gets you. Yeah, grilled chicken sandwich, no bun, lettuce. I think that's what brought me. Yeah Ty, I think so. Okay we pivot away from the NBA finals and let's chit chat a little bit about the NFL There was a team during the draft that made a massive move new GM new head coach new era We're gonna make a statement with a trade that we're gonna make in the player that we're gonna draft with that They go up to number two. They take Travis Hunter and now the expectations are an exciting brand of football

It's not just Stoner as the general manager. No new face down in Duval. Running Foxy. Duval. Ladies and gentlemen, Liam Collin. Yeah, Liam. Hey, we had to get it there. Had to get it there immediately.

Okay, have to address it. Let's talk about it. Nick Sirianni at his opening press conference, he said less thinky, more athlete take over re, we're planting seeds in Menor. Dan Campbell in his opening press conference said we're going to be a team, you knock us down, we're off kneecap man. And he got mocked and ridiculed. You have the Duval situation that we all talk about.

Whenever you exit that press conference, does somebody tell you like, hey that's, you just kind of remix that thing yourself here? Or how does that kind of all go from your standpoint as a first-time head coach, first opening press conference, and trying to make a statement and set precedent for what you're going to be down there? Well I appreciate you guys having me, man. Thank you for joining. You know, hey, you walk out of there, and ultimately every quarterback, former quarterback has a cadence, and it's just me learning a new cadence, right?

You know, you gotta get used to it. Hey, Blue 80, Blue 80s, you know, you gotta get a new cadence, and hey, the good thing's been has been able to connect with the fans, because every opportunity they get to correct me has been pretty consistent. So, great opportunity to connect with the fans because every opportunity they get to correct me has been pretty consistent. So great opportunity to connect with the fans of Duval County. I'll tell you what, if you win, yours is going to be the new one.

That is how it kind of goes. Let's talk about winning down there though. Obviously everybody knows the story of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Jacksonville Jaguars have been very good against Indianapolis Colts at home for the past recent history, but not really good against everybody else. Seemingly have the parts, but now can they piece it all together? What were your thoughts when you got the job, take the job, and how do you feel about the team where you are right now? Yeah, I think when you look at the roster entirely and

you see you have a quarterback that's shown the ability to play at a high level. You've got multiple defensive players on the edge, specifically on the front, that can disrupt the game and impact the game in a positive way. And then also you've got a star and Brian Thomas Jr. at the receiver position that ultimately can win at all three levels of the defense. So you see some pieces, right? And then there's obviously parts that we need to help with. Right? Can we continue to help with the run game? Can we continue to get turnovers on the defensive side of the ball to ultimately help the quarterback, right? This is all about getting Trevor Lawrence to play at his highest potential.

And we do have some pieces in place. We've continued to do so throughout the draft and pro free agency. And ultimately we'll see what happens throughout training camp into the fall. You've had a lot of success calling plays we assume that will continue and Stoner general manager down there the I call it a promo whenever you speak in a in an extended period of time and you have a directive or a mission. The promo he cut about why you guys drafted Travis Hunter as a statement and what football can be

and breaking down boundaries and what the future and everything like that was unbelievable. When did you guys decide that we were gonna make a play for Travis Hunter? This is a must have for this Jacksonville Jaguars team. And when did you decide you're on board with the Travis Hunter experience as the head coach of the football team?

I think about a month prior to the draft, we started having some conversations, right? James came in to our office, it was Tony and I sitting in here and he said, hey, what would you guys think if we could go and make this thing happen? And when you go through the evaluation process of Travis on both sides of the ball, and you say, yeah, I would take them as a DB and I would take them as a receiver.

Right. And so those conversations started to become a little bit more realistic about a month prior. And then, OK, you have to go through all the different scenarios. Right. What happens when we give up this pick? What do we end up having to do to pivot? And ultimately it just came down to look, we want to get a player that wants to come in here and obviously be the best player that he can be. He feels as though he can do some phenomenal things in this league on both sides of the ball, which we appreciate. And we want to be able to give him that platform while also knowing that when, when your best players are some of your hardest workers and the guys that truly love the game, that love every aspect of it, that eat, breathe, and sleep this thing, you know, that's who he is.

And we do have a lot of those guys in this building, but continuing to add to that is what was really important. And those are the things that he brings. A month before the draft being like, so this guy's our number one DB and our number one wide receiver. So this is not, you know. Cause it kind of popped up on draft night. I don't think anybody was predicting that.

I think you guys kept that very tight, right? I mean, that had to be on purpose. Yeah, it was. It was pretty consistent throughout that we wanted to keep it quiet obviously you didn't know specifically with the first pick of the overall draft that may have some implications and ultimately just I think you know both organizations did a great job of keeping it professional uh doing it the right way you know obviously we would love to

have you know kept a little bit more of our building inclusive on some of the decisions but ultimately you have to make those decisions that are best and it all worked out for the best. I think the Arizona Cardinals traded for like Hollywood Brown or something on draft night a few years ago and nobody knew about it. He was even on a plane over there. So like the Jacksonville Jaguars trade,

it not coming out, I think is good news for your culture personally. I think that is good news for the state of your entire program go ahead AJ coach yeah with as far as Travis Hunter like heading into training camp here in five six weeks whatever it might be do you guys have a plan in place that you're gonna build put together for what you're gonna put like on this guy's plate I mean it's a great problem to have like hey where do we get him reps which side of the ball how much do we put on him as far as the playbook and everything like is there a

plan that you guys sit down with Travis and think about what his training camp could look like? Absolutely. And that was exactly what we did for the off season program as well, where we kind of built a plan and then sat him down and really talked through it. How does he learn? What is the best ways that he learns? We did gain some of that information throughout the draft process

But when you actually sit down with him and kind of get a feeling well He likes to walk through more than sit in a meeting room setting So let's do more walk-throughs and we really kind of okay every day he was on offense he also met with the defensive staff in the afternoons and vice versa and so Typically throughout this offseason. He was on one side of ball and practice and he didn't flip-flop. Today he did. And he played both sides of the ball in practice today.

And that will have to continue on throughout training camp where he's playing on both sides of the ball and getting that mental and physical endurance throughout the training camp because that's what he's gonna have to do in game. So ultimately we're building a foundation right now of both sides of the football, but he's going to have to do both in practice because that's what the game is going to be like. And we'll sit down and kind of reevaluate what we did this spring to see what's the best moving forward.

Hey, no pressure. You got a once in a lifetime player who wants to play on both sides. So head coach, let's make sure we're monitoring reps. Let's make sure he stays healthy. Let's make sure he's prepared for two impossible jobs. Corner, maybe the hardest job in football. And then wide receiver, yeah, everybody's gotta be on the same page. Hey, make sure you do it, dude.

Good luck. Make sure you do it. You said he played on both sides today, at practice for the first time. He did. How'd it go? He did. How do we feel? Good, good.

He, you know, it's one of those things where he's, he's learning continuously, continuously as we do the, as we go through the install, right? And today we tried to keep it really tight with the install. Let these guys go on the last day of mini camp, feeling confident, feeling fresh. And he was in the right spot, alignment, assignment,

and not a ton of balls came his way when he ended up playing on defense. And you know, that happens as you're playing the quarterback position, but he's been great. The coaching staff, as you mentioned, like this is an organizational deal, right? From the training staff to the equipment staff, to the strength and conditioning, to our sports science,

everybody has to be on board and understand what his process is and what's the best process to get him to play at the highest level on Sundays. And that's what it's been. It's been a group effort so far. Do you like the young vibe that you have? Obviously we thought Stoner was a 12 year old.

Yeah. His face popped up on the screen and we said, what? This guy, General Mandra and then McVeigh came on, obviously ties you all together there. McVeigh goes, don't sleep on my boy Gladstone. Do not sleep on my boy Gladstone. Feels like there was a mission from the Khan family saying, let's get our young group in here

and let's grow with them. Is that kind of the mindset that you're seeing as well? A little bit. I mean, I think ultimately, yeah, we did have a little continuity being in LA for a few years and the vision is very similar. And so James definitely has a little killer in him. I mean, he's a coach's son.

And so at the end of the day, he's all about ball. The things that you guys would really appreciate and respect about the evaluation process with the draft. Those are the exact things that he really benefits from in terms of what he values in players. Being football smart, savvy, not just all height, weight, speed, understanding the game. Do they love it? Do they live it? Those are the things that he really values in these players. Those are the same things us as coaches just naturally want in our players. So it's been great so far. He definitely has that young look, but man, he's wise beyond his years.

Yeah, coach, you guys are supposed to suck down here. I don't like I don't like hearing what you're saying. Okay, I don't like hearing what you're saying. We're looking for dogs. We like people that love football. We're trying to do things right away. We don't need that okay in Jacksonville at all We don't need that all especially as an Indianapolis Colts guy We do not need that at all and it feels like every answer you're giving is one that makes it a little bit bigger of a nightmare that down there in Do oh yeah, you got it. There might be a real monster being built. Go ahead tone coach. Does it give you confidence? Coming from Tampa that it feels like the talent on the Jaguars is similar be a real monster being built. Go ahead, Joan. Coach, does it give you confidence, um, coming from Tampa that it feels like the talent on the Jaguars is similar. You're going to have two incredibly talented wide receivers,

multiple backs that kind of remind me of the, of the bucks backs down there, former number one overall quarterbacks on both of those teams. Does it give you confidence or some sort of like reassurance that like, Hey, as long as we kind of do what we did there, we're going to have success down here as well on offense? Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, every team's different, right? Every season, it's a new entity. Every offense is different.

But there are pieces of things that we could learn from last year that can hopefully help us as we go. Right. So we had those pieces in place. We have very good talent at Tampa and Baker was an absolute stud to work with and We kind of had a mentality we were gonna be one Version of ourselves in the run game early on in Tampa We were trying to run zone and a little duo and then that wasn't working four games in and so ultimately

We had to pivot and I think that was the learning moment was, these guys ultimately it's all about what they can do. What are they best at? Let's continue to try to do those at a high level. Yeah, we got to improve the things we need to improve, but we ended up pivoting to being a little bit more of a gap scheme team in the run game. And that was something that we learned that you can take in every team that we've got to play to your player strengths and ultimately do what they do best. So we can get the best version of them on Sundays. X's and O's, play calling, obviously one thing, head coach there's a lot more to it. I assume you knew that coming into the job and are experiencing that right now. Connor has a question for you. Welcome back Ty Schmidt. Thank you.

Coach Cohen, I don't know if you know this, this man who's missing for 22 minutes, because he had, you know, potentially a couple Jack and Diets last night. And then a grilled chicken sandwich this morning. I tell you what, I think I got E. coli from the lettuce. I think. Connor has a question for you. Sorry, he's battling this one.

Hey, grit. Hey, we're trying to build up this grit, job, and he's battling and we appreciate that. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, coach. Coming from Tampa, obviously you need to kind of establish your own culture. I'm sure you picked up things there and with the Rams

and things like that from all the places you've been. Go Minutemen, by the way. Shout out UMass. What is your culture, would you say? How do you kind of establish that culture? We kind of see behind you the, you know, fast acronym there. But what exactly would you say is your culture? And how are you going to get that implemented with all the players on the team that have been there for a while who have gone through a

couple different cultures? Yeah, that's a great one. We want mentally and physically tough players that love to compete. And that's really what it comes down to, right? We definitely have a style of play in which you see behind me. And that's something that ended up taking a long the way from things that you pick up from Sean and from Todd Bowles and as much as you can learn from these guys that have led winning organizations, winning teams.

And so we want to be as mentally and physically tough to have the mentality that we'll play anybody anywhere and we got to go in a dog fight. They don't want to line up and play us because we're going to be physical. And those are the things that we want to try to instill to compete and do right longer. Those are the things that we're really trying to emphasize.

And it's a lot, man. You're trying to install new systems on two sides of the football. We kept continuity, which was really important within the special teams group, having Heath Barwell and our specialist stay consistent. It was a total stud. So, you know, we're instilling culture.

We're going through those processes, our style of play, how we want to operate, and also doing, you know, installing new offense and defense. So these guys have done a great job. Ultimately, we want them to come to work every day and enjoy it. Truly come to work, pull in this building every day, which is amazing, and say, man, I can't wait to get to work. I can't wait to work with these guys.

And ultimately, in the fourth quarter, when you got A, everybody's got a Y. Everybody plays for a reason. And ultimately, at some point, I want those guys out there to say, I wanna go play my tail off for those guys, those coaches as well. And those are the type of relationships we're trying to create. I love that and getting guys that love ball. I think that is so important. I genuinely, I don't know how you find who loves ball. Travis Hunter, everybody says this guy loves ball and also he's incredibly talented. If you get a building filled with players that love ball, all the extra shit they'll do because they want to do it. It's like they they enjoy doing it.

If you get somebody that's just viewing it as work, then you got a problem. I think the culture is much easier to instill whenever you have guys that love ball. Feels like Stoner has got a good eye. Feels like Stoner's got a good eye for that, which once again, I hate. I cannot say this. I cannot say this and you talk about your beautiful facility. Oh, I've heard. Yeah. I've heard the Kahn family is going to build up an entire city within Jacksonville to make this even. I hate that. I want to let you know, I do not like that, but I love it for you. And I love it for the Jaguars faithful. Go ahead, AJ. Coach. Yeah. I assume a big reason why you wanted that gig is because you have Trevor Lawrence already there as the solidified quarterback.

I guess in your short time working with him this spring and summer, I guess, what do you like about this guy and what do you see him doing this year? Man, this guy has leaned into everything that we've tried to coach since getting here from the moment that we arrived, it was man, how much time can I put into this thing? All throughout all the phases, phase one, phase two, phase three, you know, calling the plays, multiple play calls, checks, protections. This guy's been up here in the building as much as possible, taking the work home with

them even though he's got a new baby at home and he's working his tail off. And then you see him out here and he's a natural thrower of the football. I mean he can put the ball in places where he wants it to be and now it's just about hey how can we play at a consistently high level game in and game out and also help them right we've got to improve the run game to be able to create a little bit more balance so that every throw isn't the biggest throw of the game and then be able to turn the ball over on the defensive side of the ball to help him as well. But man, been really impressed with his work ethic, his recall, his attention to detail.

And he's doing everything we've asked so far and see nothing but good things for him moving forward. He has seemingly handled himself like a professional since high school. I mean, I remember the first game he went in for Clemson. They were talking about him being the next one. That's a lot of pressure whenever you're a teenager and they're saying you're the next one, you're the next one, you're the next one. He is handling it. We're getting to the point now, you know, where there's another word that some people

are throwing out. Do you feel the pressure of that getting the most out of Trevor Lawrence? Yeah, I think it's natural, right? You feel the pressure to you always as a coach want wanna try to get the most out of your players. And when you don't, you feel like you failed, right? Like that is our job. Our job is to put these guys in the best position to be successful, and you're constantly evaluating

that process to get you there, and to get these guys playing at the highest potential. So is it pressure? No, I think it's exciting. I think it's a great opportunity for him to show who he really wants to be. Right. Like he has it. He has shown it. I mean, he led one of the best comebacks in playoff history. I mean, the guys got great. He's played through a ton of injuries throughout his career. He's mentally and physically tough. He has these skillsets. So it's ultimately just about,

man, just go let it rip. Go play free of failure. Go play with a supporting cast that we can continue to improve and just go cut it loose. What do you like to do as a hobby? You a golfer? Most quarterbacks are golfers. You're a golfer. You're good. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to Scotland actually on Monday. Um, my dad and my father-in-law are going on a trip. We got St. Andrews, Turnberry, True, and Karnusti, and Kings Bar.

Okay, so you're a stick. What's your handicap? I'm a nine. Okay, so are we coming out of the pocket? Are we short swinging? My putting game is tough. That's where I tend to fall apart on the green a little bit. Typically, you have to practice that

and don't have a ton of time to do it and don't enjoy just sitting there practicing putting, but it'll be fun, man. This is a great, this has been our dream with me and my dad and my father-in-law, his family is actually Muncie, Indiana. So he's a huge fan, bro, huge fan. Okay, well tell the father-in-law shout out and I hope he beats you, Andrew, dad, out there over there in Scotland go sirs okay and go

sirs shout out if he's once he in the end who do you think was the u.s. open who do you think what's the u.s. open man I gotta go in dark horse here Harris English okay okay I'm a right never heard of this guy so very darker horse Harris English or Jack's he's Georgia he been down here, got to know him a little bit, man. Came to the draft and he's just been a great friend so far. Just getting to know him a little bit. I don't know a ton of the pros out there on the PGA Tour, but he's been a good one for me.

You still spin it a little bit? Little, from 15 and in, I'd say. There's probably a consistent accuracy. Once you get past that, I probably lose a little velocity. We did a goal post competition today. I did not win. Who won? Logan Cook, the new Rich Punner you guys got down there?

Dude, he could. If he was in it, he would probably have been right in the competition for it. What a stud. Really, really pumped to get him in the boat. Extended him and just exactly what we wanted Jacksonville Jaguar to be I think Nick Mullins might have ended up winning it today though. Oh Mullins is a dog. I appreciate the fact that your first press conference went the way it did and obviously you had sick loafers on if I

do recall you had some awesome loafers on yeah yeah you did you look sweet I mean everything about it was you know attention-stealing like damn look at this guy damn look how young this guy's he only has five year coaching experience he just remixed Duval in this first thing it's like it was all a lot of noise a lot of noise and now that you've kind of settled in now it's time to build the program I appreciate that you guys said we need to pay the punter immediately. That's good football. You guys know ball down there.

I appreciate you respect that. Yeah, massive respect. All right. Good luck in Scotland. Good luck with your first year as a head coach for the Jacksonville Jack. Not too much luck, you know, but you understand what I'm saying. And thank you for joining us, coach. Thanks guys.

I appreciate you having me on. All right. Tell everybody we said what's up down there, including Stoner. We love Stoner. Huge fan. Keep it going, man. Keep it going. That speech he gave about drafting Travis Hunter and it being a statement in what football

can be, I listened to it, I'm like, hey, this high school kid, this guy, he's a dog through and through. Good luck down there. Good man. It's him spinning the ball. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. I forgot about. Yeah. He's spinning the ball. Oh, Jackson's got a great ball.

Dude, he can throw it. He can catch it one hand. He went out, I think beat Vasili one-on-one in hoops yesterday. I mean, he's still, yeah. Yeah. He's like that. Ladies and gentlemen, head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Do good, but not too good. Liam Coe.

Yeah. I liked him. Sounds like, I like Liam. Gladstone is him, bruh. It does sound like him. For real. Him Stone, bro. Him Stone, yeah, there it is. I mean, unbelievable.

I mean, to be fair to us, the Duval thing, okay? That happens. Yeah. And Stoner pops up in the picture and it's like, what the fuck? Are you kidding me? What is going on? I mean, Himi Gladstone has got it.

What's that? Himi Gladstone has it. Oh, you're right. You're talking about old Himi Him, Him Gladstone. And just the stuff around the hiring. Remember the whole bucks thing. Oh yeah, they're not happy. They're not letting interviews take place.

Oh yeah. Is he gonna be able to get a staff? I mean, there was just so much shit. And it was like, oh, the Jaxford Jaguars are Jaxford Jaguaring. That's what they're doing. And then Sean McVeigh, who everybody was trying to hire, like the next Sean McVeigh comes on and goes, you guys need to watch it with how you're talking about my guys here. These are, these are two of my guys. And then we started like hearing from people around the NFL and they're like, yo, got one of one of those brains Liam Cohen I understand he did the Duval thing but let's not let's

relax here a little bit what he's been able to do and then Stoner usually have people from different teams being like hey everybody kind of knew this guy was gonna be fast-tracked into it it's like well the Jacksonville Jaguars making good decisions I don't love that I don't love that at all because obviously got Houston Texans down there doing their thing Cam Ward appears to be a guy. Yeah, all signs are important to can war being a junkyard dog Yeah, so what happened he talked some shit I guess so JC Latham He kind of talked about how there's you know in the huddle. It's great how he commands

But yeah, the big one was Brian Callahan talking about him while giving Kim Ward to play. Yeah, I'm not I'm not I'll be honest I wasn't used to I'm not used to calm plays do a quarterback who's usually still talking when I'm talking to him And that's great. I and so I asked him after practice and I said I just just help me out here Do you need me to wait till you finish? Or and he goes no, he goes I'm listening listening. So he's hearing what I'm telling him. And it was a pretty remarkable to see all the things going on and how much he's talking, but like his brain is still like with me, I guess is the best way to put it.

Like when I'm calling a play, it's all he's doing, all he's doing, but he's listening to everything. I'm telling him. And he enters right into the huddle when he calls a play he doesn't script play call and I thought that Was actually kind of remarkable. I don't know I couldn't do that. So that's just kind of who he is. That's his personality and again, if it was something that I felt like was detrimental to his ability to manage the offense and can call it and huddle and All that I'd you know, I'd probably have a couple things to say to him

But he didn't miss a beat when it came to calling the play and being on top of it and then executing when it came time to execute. So, it was a new experience for me, but it was fun. We do not need the Titans to be good too. Yeah. Okay. Bad news. We don't need- Uh-oh. What's that, AJ?

Okay. Pretty good division. Pretty good. That's what everyone says. All of a sudden, all of a sudden, the AFC South problematic. And,, you know, what a ball, what a ball. Yeah. But then him talking shit to the DB, that's what he is referring to. He's referring to him talking shit to the defense while he's calling a play. And he's, he's, I mean, these plays are not easy to remember, especially for a rookie quarterback trying to take in a brand new offense. And he just has to let

a guy know, Hey, that was on your head. your head Callahan's calling in then he goes right into the huddle bang here we go and I Callahan's brain exploded yeah well that's all I mean that's a good feeling that's probably a good feeling for coach Callahan but it's like this dude seemingly made to be a guy and it wasn't really like a foregone conclusion when the season ended that he's a guy But then as the draft season kind of continued to roll around it's like this is a guy This is clearly a guy the amount of football he's played in college from incarnate word All the way to the u and all the success that he's had all the different locker rooms He's been in all the different offenses he's been in and all he wants to do is play ball

It's like what a win for the titans to get this guy seemingly at this point aj Yeah, I love when cowhands says to do is play ball. It's like what a win for the Titans to get this guy seemingly at this point, AJ. Yeah, I love when Calhoun says, I had to pull him aside and say, help me out here. Like you ever heard coaches do, hey help me out here. They're usually pretty pissed off when they do that. And for Calhoun, like it is kind of amazing because you know how long sometimes these play calls are to have that coming in his speaker as he's talking to the DBs. Like that's a talent, man. That's something that not everybody can do. Yeah, that's QB1 DBs like that's a talent man that's something that not everybody could do. Yeah that's a that's a that's QB1. Yeah that's a absolute dog and I don't love that obviously he already has a dance and now he's already picking up the NFL offense pretty quickly and Nashville Tennessee is a spectacular city. I cannot stress that enough. New stadium coming.

If the Titans were to be great Okay, and I'm not saying that's gonna happen because obviously they're in a Colts division and also Liam Cohn's and Stoners Let alone Casario and D'Amico. Yeah, okay So but if the Titans were to become great that city would be must traveled to like that is a place Like Vegas everybody's talking about Vegas like well if your team's playing in Vegas, you need to go watch, you should go watch, it's a great getaway. It's like Nashville is like the city to go spend a weekend and watch your team at.

So we need to make sure that Kam Ward's good, but not too good, okay? Because it feels like Nashville could become a real NFL city, especially with the new stadium coming in, the new mindset coming in, his dad obviously, the offensive line coach, they're gonna play a tough brand of football. It's like taxes. Everything's Tennessee with no tax, state income tax. That's like seven to eight percent there. Yeah, it's like hold the phone on this AFC South. I don't like what's happening at all. What I do like though, Ty, is your back.

That was a 21 minute trip. Yeah, that one was not great. You know, a lot of times we have fun with it and it's like, oh, you know I bottle across there because I really like I really am going to like poop my pants that very rarely Do I have to exit out this back door because that's that's business time That's hey, we got no time to mess around and I haven't I haven't exited out out both ends and like quite some time It was pretty violent pretty quick Through the legs? Through the legs? No, no, no, no. Like you get out what you gotta get out from the backside and then it's

like, okay, now you just plug up very hard because you know that I'm gonna be exerting a lot when I go to puke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you flushing before you puke, I hope? Yeah, or did it ricochet? You don't really have time to think about that. Oh, no. So you yeah, or did it ricochet? You don't really have time to think So you kind of just got you kind of just got to let it whose toilet is this?

yours bill Mine now gentlemen Sorry the grilled chicken gotcha no, I'm dead serious, I mean digs digs can he can He can attest to it like I did not I wasn't I could have got very bombed last night with how that game was Going it would have been very easy to just keep walking back out there Getting another double walking back and finishing that getting another double walking back I could have done that but I did not because like you said you only had two doubles No, I didn't even get doubles and I should have because you know those drinks, you know for $18 Take a little boost that pop

But no, that's neither here nor there cuz we were talking about we were so invested in the game and I was But what I was gonna say is while I was shit my brains out and puking. I Wanted to hate Liam Cohn. I did. So bad. He's likable. Pretty charming. He is.

He is. Funny. Pretty funny. But on the flip side. You're saying we can't have all these other teams, you know, all these other teams are looking at these videos coming out of the Colts and they're saying, Jesus Christ.

Not Danny Dimes, exactly. He's on a run. Exactly. Three quarter. There's one they just put out in the dark. He threw Tyler Warren. It looked on a run. Exactly. Three quarters. Right. He just put out a Dark he threw Tyler Warren. It looked like it was down the seam. I completely forgot about Tyler Warren being on it I know until it was tweeted like last night like Tyler Warren's having a great camp. I'm like, of course he is That's Tyler. That's what Tyler Warren does. We got a bunch of additions on defenses. So Cam, I Like what you're doing. Mm-hmm. I respect what you got going on, Callahan.

Liam Cohen, surprisingly, I guess that kind of sounds like a shot. Don't mean that sound like a shot. Unexpectedly, I'm a big fan of Liam Cohen. Unexpectedly after chit chatting with him. And I can only tell when people come on here, like pretty like okay Do we fake like this person we actually like this person? You know if we fake like the person probably not gonna see him for a while. They might get banned Yeah, they could get banned Another not another you better watch your mouth. You're close. Oh, yeah

Yeah, exactly Yeah, you're close to getting banned. We're in. Ban. Ban. Ban. Ban. You're banned. Ban.

You're banned. Ban. Exactly. We've been doing it a long time. So there's a chance. Love, Liam Cohn. Feels like we'd love Cam Ward. And shout out to the NFL conversations

that we've been able to have because he manned toward many camps. Shout out to John Lynch joining us. And ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a Hall of Famer. A man who's Olympic gold medalist for Sweden. He's five time All-Star. Maybe one of the most handsome professional athletes of all time. And best dressed actually, voted in Sweden.

Yeah, in Sweden is a super good dressed place. Exactly. Super good. Ladies and gentlemen, King Henry Lundqvist. Yay! What's up guys? How are ya? King, we're good. Our friend Ty here is battling. I think you got a chance to hear that. We are happy he is back though, King. We are happy he is back. Yeah, that was an interesting conversation

I was listening into here. Yeah, our show is terrible. And that is just par for the course there. But we are happy Ty's feeling better. He had a terrible grilled chicken sandwich that really sent him into a downward spiral. He won't do that again. I won't, never again.

No, fried chicken only going forward. You're right. Yeah, that's what you get for trying to be like King Henry. Exactly. Let's talk a little bit here. Obviously you were incredible in between the pipes. You on TV, great as well. I want to let you know that your guys' crew over there at TNT is phenomenal. We appreciate you giving back to the sport in which you were great at. Let's talk about the goalies because the goalies end up being the story. So like in our sport, the offensive lines end up being the conversation whenever it comes to playoff time, Super Bowl time. The best offensive line in football won the Super Bowl this past year.

That is normally the case. In hockey, I feel like you don't really have the goalie conversation until the playoffs. And then it's like, hey, you have to have a goalie to be able to win. When you look at Bob and you look at Stu, who's more set's like hey you have to have a goalie to be able to win. When you look at Bob and you look at Stu who's more set up right now you think to have a run here to hoist Lordo and what do you see out of both of these goalies throughout this series? Well I would say I rank Bobrovsky ahead of Stu for sure in terms of a technique and how he moves on the ice. He's so good at recovering on broken plays

and get across East to West. The thing with Stuart Skinner, I have to say I'm impressed how he can bounce back. And I think that's a major thing to have when you're a goaltender, be able to come back from a loss or a tough game. We've seen it this year in the playoffs. We saw it last year in the playoffs.

So if you're just focusing on that, the mindset, the focus goal that requires to have, you know, especially in the playoffs, and there's so much pressure, there's definitely some positives for Stewart Skinner and Edmonton. But in terms of ranking these two guys, Bob is ahead for sure. Bob's been there too. This is the third straight finals obviously long long long seasons and I

know they talk about goalies like they talk about kickers or they talk about pitchers about how the mental warfare against yourself is almost the hardest opponent that you're going to have. You have to have the ability, you have to have the skill but you also have to mentally be able to show up every single night. How do you think Bob has handled it all? Because obviously they're the reigning champs. And why do you think he's been able to handle it all? Well, I think we all as goalies have different ways of getting to that place where mentally you're sharp, you're able to handle the pressure. I always say goaltending is about making decisions under pressure and you can't afford any mistakes really.

So obviously, you know that you can feel that pressure. And with Bob, I think he has a method where everything he does leading up to a game in warmups or in preparation, you know, it's about finding that place mentally. He looks very calm. And it's interesting as a goalie, probably similar to a quarterback, you need to be calm in your mind, but at the same time you need to be on your toes. It's not like as a goalie you can try harder. As a forward you can go out there and, you know, be physical and just skate harder. But as a goalie you can't try harder. You just need your focus to be in the right place and allow the game to come to you Which is a big difference being a goalie versus a skater. Yeah, that's a great point I used to say that about my position as a punter

I used to play soccer growing up and let's say I didn't have a good touch or my I was having an off day I can at least put pressure on people I could like run full speed of people I could do give effort for punting I hit a shank or I don't have it one day It's like hit a shank, get booed off the field, sit there for 35 minutes, and then you gotta go back out there. You know, it's like, it's an interesting thing. I didn't even think about that for goalies.

That's very, very real. If you're not seeing the puck, there ain't shit else that you can benefit the team with. That's quite a, I assume that's a little bit of a stranglehold on your brain. Now, on that note, Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Hank, big fan. Loved your slow-mo video, Barry biz as you watch into the other day that was

hilarious one thing we talked about I think it was big rig who kind of brought it up was you know teams will watch film and they'll kind of find the the spots that goalies are you know weaker out when it comes to saving pucks and for Stu skin it felt like stick side high in that last game was very apparent and granted a lot of those goals are You know bar down piping in and everything but it's still it felt like they were Attacking the top left side of the net his Stu skins, right? Can goalies kind of fix that is there a way to kind of? figuring out your own tells and then

Going back to next game and having an emphasis on you know getting that shoulder up watching that side of the net or is that just something where that was one game we're on to the next one he just needs to bounce back as a whole. Yeah, I would say obviously after every game you analyze your performance what do I need to improve you can see their tendencies and it's interesting in the playoffs you do a lot more video. see their tendencies and it's interesting in the playoffs you do a lot more video you're watching the other teams power play penalty kills you know that team a lot better during the regular season you just don't have that time by going into every new series you spend a lot of time looking at maybe their top players again tendencies on their power play where do they like to go with these passes or even shots sometimes so you have a lot of information and then after each game you you know you break it down quickly you can't spend too much time on it or energy but you do want to get a good understanding of what are they trying to accomplish here and to

your point you know there were a lot of East West plays and there was a lot of high shots on the blocker side so if I'm the goalie, I need to make sure and positioning wise that I'm not You know cutting short on my especially my pushes to my right to cover that short side But there was something we talked about on air actually with Stu like the difference between him and Bob Bobrovsky is just the East West play and Bob is a little bit better there more power and more control, especially going east east to west. Go ahead, AJ.

Yeah. There are nights where you just aren't seeing the puck. I mean, we've got the US Open's going on right now in golf and some days you just don't have your A game. Or did you ever have that when you're a goalie and how do you fight through something like that? Yes. He said, yes. Yeah. I mean, good question. How do you fight through something like that? Yes, he said yes. Yeah, I mean, good question. How do you fight through it? I think as athletes, sometimes you just have to fake it to yourself what you're telling

yourself, even when things are going wrong or bad, you got to stay confident. If you're talking in between games, I would definitely lean in on great practices to regain that confidence, the touch and the focus. But if you're in the actual game, a lot of times all it takes is one or two more saves where you feel good and regain that confidence. But again, sometimes you just have to fake it to yourself like you got this. You feel good. You feel fast. What you're telling yourself is so crucial. And sometimes you forget that. They said you got to watch what you're saying to yourself

because you're listening, you know, and. Yes, exactly. And what Dabor said was, hey, Otter, you give up two goals on two shots, take a hike. And that's all he's going to be thinking about for the entire off season. Excited to see him come back. We end here on ESPN.

We'll continue digitally YouTube, ESPN+, Disney+, and TikTok live tonight Oilers Panthers eight o'clock on TNT we continue with King Henry okay that was that was very professional host stuff right there King Henry I don't know if you saw that it happened right in front of your eyes I mean right there impressive okay thank you well you you as well because you backed off I think you had a little bit more of an answer I think you heard the music calm cool some pucks flying let me go ahead and get this out of here. I appreciate you. Let's continue to talk about goalie play. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Hank, I had a question. I saw that

Bob is second all-time and saves through three games in a Stanley Cup Finals, so he's seeing a lot of pucks. As a goalie in these games, in these finals games, do you like to get a save or two early, like to kind of get the feel of the game is like if you're going like 12 minutes into a game and you haven't seen a puck yet, is that something you hate or like? Yeah, I would say I prefer a lot of shots early on, but it's different between seeing shots and seeing great ACE, right? That that's what you want to minimize the big opportunities. But if, if the team plays a lot of structure, you're giving up shots,

I would say that's the perfect combination because there's not, you don't have time to overthink anything. The instincts takes over and you're just locked in. I would say it's tougher if you have to wait 10, 15 minutes for that first shot, that first touch. So I think also as you get into the big games, the nerves might be a little higher, but the excitement is higher too. You just want to be involved. You want to start to make that difference for your team. It's a great feeling. Well, a glove snack feels like one that'll really get the juices flowing. Like a clean

highie. Or is it a slide? to west you're talking about a slide? It feels good. Like what is a good one to get the like the momentum rolling almost? Well, the glove saves a lot of times. They're the easy one. Well, the fans might think it's the tough one and it's like everybody's like, Oh, what a save, but it's actually, you see it the whole way and you can kind of read and react and it's, it's a routine save, but you can make it look like, oh, what a save. But it's actually, you see it the whole way and you can kind of read and react.

And it's, it's a routine save, but you can make it look like an incredible save. I would say the broken place or the tough ones where, um, hold on. Someone is calling me here. A lot of people trying to get ahold of you. We're lucky we got you here. How do I get back here? There we go. I'm back.

Yeah. I'm back. Yeah, I'm back So the broken place sometimes the tough ones where you're you're really locked in and something happens touches your D And goes to your right and stay in that control So they're more open shots. You can get the better. How do you? You can't see shit, right? Some of those shots like I'm watching some of these replays and they're blocking you too. Yeah, somebody in front of you and it's getting touched like are you guys just I don't want to say guessing because at this stage I assume it's like second nature for you to know or instinct to know where it's going as opposed to saying guessing. But are you just guessing or your instincts are saying that's probably deflecting this way like the guys can't see a lot of those pucks that are coming through and there's a lot of traffic, right?

Yeah, that's true. It's big part of the game trying to find and fight through those screens The best thing that can happen is if you can actually see the release of the shot That's the most crucial part of the shot If you can see the release You can kind of read where that puck is going and you move your body towards it and kind of make you as big as possible. But if you don't see the release, then you're kind of guessing a little bit. But that's really where you read the shot.

It's when the puck leaves the stick and I can kind of predict where that puck is gonna end up with my glove or my body. And so that's what you're trying as a goalie to always find that release spot from guys from the shooting Were you a big blocker to the back of the guy in front of you guy or no? I was more stick on the calves like hacking a whack on the calves

Yeah, that was that was warm because that was harder to see for the ref Yeah, if you're up with the gloves up around the heads that they would see that. Yeah. I love that. Yeah I like it. He has so much a little shit. Yeah it. Hockey is so much shit inside of the sport. It's still, it's like the most, I think it's the most original traditional sport that we have still going, you know, and it's a, it's a beautiful game, great sport. You guys are covering it magnificently. Now there is a team in a big city that hasn't been around for a while, but obviously you have a lot of history. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Hank, just curious, when you play a position like goalie, we always hear, you know, mental

toughness is one that you have to be able to just flush things and kind of move on if you have a bad game. But when you played in a city like New York, I mean, we've seen what happens, you know, the Knicks make the Eastern Conference finals and they lose, they fire their head coach, the Yankees lose in the World Series, they want to fire Aaron Boone. You know, it's just like the expectation is that you win because you played for the Rangers so long. Did the kind of pressure of playing in New York ever amplify like the stress and the anxiety and kind of you had to lock in even more. Whereas, you know, some of these other goalies in these these cities that maybe aren't as hockey crazed or like expecting to win, maybe they can flush things a little bit easier? I have to say I felt from day

one I felt that pressure it didn't matter if it was a preseason game or regular season or playoffs you always felt like you had to earn your spot earn your or your you know your respect in a way. And I love that. It felt like you were under fire all the time. And walking into Madison Square Garden for 15 years, it became home for me, but I never took it for granted. I definitely felt that pressure, but it also made me feel alive.

I miss that. You know, now being away from the game for what? Four or five years. I realized how much I loved it. Even though there were days where, wow, there's a lot of pressure here, but man, it made me feel alive. Does this make you feel alive right here? Clap bomb coming. Clap bomb. Oh yeah. Take it. Take it. Need to get you to the Thunderdome. Need to get you to the Thunderdome. See, uh, rifle some shots at you we think you are phenomenal on television obviously you had a great career in between the pipes

and how do you think tonight goes this is a big one you know I had Edmonton in six going into the series but after game three you know the way Florida took it to Edmonton I'm definitely not so sure anymore. And I have a feeling Florida is going to take this one. They just looked so good. They're deep. And I think, you know, there's a lot of focus attention on Connor and Dry Cytle. But the reason why they're here, they're actually did have a really deep lineup that helped them get to this point as well. They're going to need their help get to this point as well. They're gonna need their help to turn this around for sure.

It's not just down to Connor and Dry Sardo to get this one, but I'll put my money on Florida tonight. How about them being the state of hockey now, Florida? Listen, it's impressive. Third straight final, before that you had Tampa, a great organization. You know, they've had a good team for many years, but I would say when, when they signed Kachak, uh, three years ago, there was something clicked in terms of their approach to the game, attention to detail, the will to win.

And now you look at this, you're adding Jones and Marchand, and they're just done a great job building that team and create. I think that's one of the most important thing is to create the right type of culture and listening to them speak after games or even how they approach games. They've created an incredible environment, incredible culture in that locker room, in that organization right now. And it's paying off. Don't you think Betman should have mixed the trade from Marshy to go down? Didn't that feel like as soon as he went down there, I think all of us that kind of follow

along and know this Florida Panthers team and know what Marshy is, it's like that feels like that feels like it shouldn't be allowed. He fits there perfectly. I mean allowed that he fits there perfectly I mean he absolutely fits there perfectly we talked to Kachuk about it after the trade and Kachuk was like it does feel like he was kind of born to be a Florida Panther now the Bruins fans obviously don't like hearing that yeah but it is real he fits our culture perfectly he's got championship pedigree and obviously the boys love him as soon as he gets down there that feels like

a great trade great move perfect move for the Florida Panthers to continue this dynastic run that they're on. I was shocked just like most of us but to your point he fits in perfectly he has that grit that mentality that we just talked about the winning mentality. Yes. You need great players, but more so you need the great mindset and those small little plays. You look at Kachak is making old Bennett and now more Shan. They'd have a bunch of players. My first reaction when I heard he was going to Florida. One more guy like that there. I mean, it's getting packed in that locker room with a similar type of players

and they're having a lot of success because of it. Yeah, it's becoming a monopoly down there. And I don't love that. We need the Pittsburgh Penguins back. You know that, King Henry. And I think Mews will certainly handle that. And we'll watch you tonight. We appreciate you for your time and great work all season. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Have a good one. Hey, Swedish is the native language? Yes. Thank you guys, appreciate it. Have a good one. Hey, Swedish is the native language?

Yes. Okay, what is Swedish similar to? How do I say hello and thank you in Swedish? Hey, thanks a lot. Hey, excuse, all right, I didn't know we were doing that. I thought we finished it. I thought we finished it hey there. I gotta lock back. Hey.

Hey. Okay. Thanks a lot. Hey. Hey. Okay. Talk to me. Yeah. Talk to me. Very good. And very good. Talk to me. Is thank you. Thank you very much. Well, King Henry talks to me for you. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Hall of Famer Henry. Yay! Mom, Mom, did you see my race? Of course I did, darling! Look, you did your best. You tried.

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a network of licensed funeral cremation and cemetery providers owned and operated by affiliates of Service Corporation International. Talk some hookah, AJ. talk some of that. How would you write that out? In my head, T.O.X.I. M.U.C.A. I think that's exactly what it talks. Amuka.

I just see the kid who won the spelling bee. Yeah, it's already over. The goat. Yeah. His dad said he's the greatest of all time Yeah, this fucking really that was dad. He said he said he's the goat. He knows every Dictionary, I didn't see it You didn't see the final word final word comes up and just immediately as soon as the word comes out of his mouth Boom bang pow might have been talks of hookah. I think it

Talks of mooka to it. Mm-hmm. I don't think that's in the English They did have a little toxa mooka to it. I don't think that's in the English Spelling be sweetest origin made in language. Yeah, his dad came out and said like the kids the greatest I don't know how you can beat him to be honest. He knows every fucking word in this dictionary So all these kids are having fun. I get it, but my boy There's not a single week. He's Jordan here is this uh Yeah, that's it goodness C-i s e. Your word is a Claire C small a Claire C small. E C L A. See I s s e. That because you know that is correct Your word don't go

He's the greatest crowd guys really good even as what if they think the sentence what if they what? What if they ding them say hey you didn't say the little tilde situation over that eat you don't have to Wrong eat you said basic ass eat turns out turns out it's actually one of those dancing E's. Learn the rules. Which one's which? I never know. I always try to do it like resume. What am I doing? Is that one going up to the right or up to the left?

They have different names. Up to the right. Up to the right. It's not until day. Okay. That's like whenever the slash, forward slash, back slash, I think people have always had those backwards as well. You know, because it's all which one's lean in which way exactly

Yeah, like forward slash is leaning forward back slash leaning backwards But I think like people say back slash to forward slash all the time They do I don't know the ease and I'll tell you what when the Apple keyboard just became like if you hang on to it A little bit longer you can get all the fucking a option. Yep. Great all the u options all the e options I wish it would be a little bit smarter and say hey for what you're trying to do here You're gonna want the third one in because goddamn there's a lot of options. Yeah, and what is that our language? No, no French. So how's air Claire sees all some of the fucking Technically it is but you know that's why they ask like the language of origin because like it's not it's not an American word no one has probably said that word in ever

20 years maybe 50 at least what just came across the the deck there it's not worried about hey I think you should read it Pace it up to one in the in the NBA. We'll just get across the wire. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. This is what we'll talk about tomorrow. We need to do a little bit more research. We can't talk about it here. This is a this is a new this is a new era of us. What?

Yeah, we are. This is bad for both. We're going to do more research on this. We'll talk about tomorrow. Oh, fuck. Yeah, yeah, exactly. We don't know if that we'll talk about this later. We'll talk about this later. AJ episode of Seinfeld like this is kind of, it's kind

of a very late ask a request. That might have been why you now I need the batch number now. Okay, so AJ, will you come over to Indianapolis tomorrow? Yeah, we're doing the show from out there? No, so there is thunderstorms called for at the Bicentennial Plaza. We don't think it's smart to do that. Even though it's covered here in Indiana, if the thunderstorms are scheduled for 3 o'clock, 4 o'clock, those could easily be 11 o'clock or 7 o'clock. So like don't necessarily want to put people through that,

but we are going to go live from the arena, I believe. So we will be at the arena. You know, if we get an opportunity to do that and the Pacers organization has invited us to do as such, we will certainly do that, but we don't want to be putting people out in the middle of a thunderstorm. I think that's probably a bad idea,

especially with how big the night's going to be. So let's not have the afternoon ruin the evening. Game four tomorrow night here in Indianapolis, Indiana. Oklahoma City, six and a half point favorites against the Indiana Pacers. Indiana Pacers love that. The Indianapolis people love that. We will be live from the arena tomorrow, I do believe.

That has not been confirmed. Okay. No. But I'll make the announcement as if it is the case. Just pull up an extra, it has been confirmed. Okay, we have got a thumbs up from Foss from fossil over here we appreciate him letting us know that and yeah we'll continue to sell the shit out of what has been a great series yeah incredible I mean it has this NBA playoffs has been spectacular yeah I mean just think about the Knicks knocking off the Celtics nobody thought

that was gonna happen now in the West the amount of storylines that kind of came and went It has been a wonderful run and now there's only two teams remaining and they're clearly the two best teams in the NBA and they've been Playing great games against each other and if I'm the Pacers, I don't think I played my best ball yet No, and if you're Oklahoma City, you think you gave away one at home This thing should be tied up or they should be up to one. So I'm fascinated by who shows up tomorrow night and we will be live tomorrow from the arena. Sorry to the fans,

never potentially gonna come hang out with us, but the thunderstorm thing, anybody that's from Indiana understands. Like this, we cannot be, it's covered. I get it. Like I saw some people from out of town were saying that. That thing goes sideways. I think it goes sideways quick here in Indianapolis

So we will try to do our thing to continue to bring energy But we don't think it's smart to have that shit set up outside tomorrow. Yeah, not at all very much like the Warriors Raptors Series if you think about it because the Warriors that you know They had kd who's all those teams and then siakam's team actually with toronto Kind of winning that entire thing like this series is almost playing out like that where one team is so heavily Favored with all the guys the MVP and everything and then the other team is you know, the one the underdogs showing up it I can't wait for tomorrow night. The buzz is real now. I'm a believer now. I was

But I'm a believer now. I wasn't, but I'm a believer. Especially with how the game started. Yeah. Like if you went into last night's game thinking like Oklahoma City is gonna take control of this series, the way that game started with how bad it looked for the Pacers. I mean, there was dribbling off the foot. I mean, it just looked like, what are we doing here?

And then the Pacers just continue, you know? And Carlisle, never once. Yeah. dog. Never once has that guy like this. They zoom in on him whenever he calls a timeout and he's always walking across the court squinting, looking at something and then he just looks like he's about to chew some fucking ass out.

Yeah, he's fucking intense. He is so intense. He is so intense. We love him. Just like Indiana loves Coach Carlisle and his entire Pacers team. A guy that has been against the Pacers since the fucking beginning friend of the program 13 year NBA vet

Man who traveled Indianapolis, Indiana yesterday alongside his co-host of the knuckleheads podcast, Darius Miles. Ladies and gentlemen Super smart guy, huh? Q Rich. Yeah How you doing Q? How's it going? What's going on? What's going on? It's going good for me, man. I'm great. Oh, yeah. I just thought maybe you saw what happened in that game last night and thought to yourself, you know, when I felt the energy of those people yesterday, I got a chance to be boots on the ground in that arena.

Maybe this entire time I should have been showing a little bit more love to this Indiana Pacers team. How do you feel about last night and what do you think happens for the rest of the series, Q? All right, hey listen, I felt like the, first of all, yesterday was awesome, man. Appreciate you and the boys for having me come out. That was dope.

Me and Black had a dope time, amazing time, kicking it with the fellas, boots on the ground, as you said. But, nah, man, they did what they had to do. And if you look at it, we always talked about everybody's the lightning rod whether Tyrese is a superstar whatever how many points does he need to get last night 22 11 and 9 and you know the record when he gets over 20 so I think you know I was listening to Magic Johnson said earlier Magic said you got to kind of listen to it he needs to be more of a scorer in this series. Still doing his distributing thing,

but he needs to try to be more aggressive like he was last night. I think everybody saw the difference in him. Just the way he played last night in front of that crowd. The crowd was amazing. Like you guys said, they brought the noise. I felt them. Okay, I like that.

Through the screen you felt it. I like that, because we were feeling it in there and we were all locked in. Ty felt it today as well, because of what he was able to accomplish last night. There was a early in the first quarter Ty Reese has a shot right inside the logo, has certainly made it before. And he had a shot, thought about taking it,

then he passed it. And we were like, oh no, oh no. Like that was in the first quarter. I wanted to like yell at Tyrese and be like, Hey, maybe think about having one here. Let's let's let's maybe have one. Let's have a few here. And instead he set up somebody else to have a wide open shot

or whatever. And then you saw him settle in and be like, okay, here we go. I'm finding time. And the way Carlisle was getting them free, the picks that they were setting, they did the elbow pick and roll with the big guy. There was a lot of movement kind of happening for Tyrese to get some separation, get some opportunities. And I love watching him take advantage of it.

What do you expect out of tomorrow? Oklahoma City hasn't lost back to back games since what 2024 or something like that, Q? Yeah, that's the one stat that stands out in my head. So I feel like obviously tomorrow will be a bounce back game. They're gonna try and bounce back strong. I feel like the Pacers be a bounce back game they gonna try and bounce back strong I felt like they did I felt like the Pacers did a great job man attire and SGA out I've never really seen him link bent over holding the shorts the shorts like that and he looked fatigued to me

so I mean it's the fact oh shit but. But no, the fact that it's only one day in between, I mean, to me, the Pacers need to try to take advantage of that. Like, you know what I'm saying, go right back at it, get after him, get guys up into him, guys with pressure on him, making everything as difficult as possible for him. And I think even like you said, they hadn't had those plays where if the Thunder score, they still get a quick run out. They got those plays yesterday. The Thunder could score,

then we right back running back down y'all back and scoring. So I think all of those things tied in with the crowd and the atmosphere, man. I think they really got a chance to try and break that streak tomorrow. But we know that after a loss, they win big, the Thunder have, historically this is 2024.

Not trying to be the bearer of bad news. He just can't get his lips to say. He just can't get his lips to say. Go ahead, AJ. Q, are there big adjustments that can be made like say if you're Oklahoma City, can they do like, I don't know, schematically or with your personnel, can you change much in the middle of a series that can, you know, hopefully turn the tide in their favor if they want it?

Absolutely. Absolutely. You can. I mean, just like you just, just like Patrick said, tricky Ricky is what you decalled him. He did a great job for game three, doing different things to get Tyrese freed up to where they couldn't be as much into his body. He came off the ball, he ran off screen, they set screens up the court where he didn't have to worry about being hounded the whole way. So I mean the same way with SGA, man. He's such a prolific scorer. And he himself, I've heard him talk about how he dissects each game and heard the coach talk about how he breaks down games after games. And he's able to separate things.

So I think overall, they'll do their due diligence to try and come back this next game and look a lot different than they did last night. Coach Dags is a great coach. We expect him to make some plays. Coach Carlisle also the same damn thing. And it's a nice battle. He's awesome. He is.

Carlisle is the man. He really is. UD told the story about the zone or whatever the Carlisle dropped him into whenever he was with the Mavs and how like, yeah, for whatever reason, we just couldn't crack this zone. And that was a long time ago.

And this is 2025. Now that was like either 06 or 11 when he did that to them and like I said it man, Carlisle has been a great coach for a long long time and like when he's done, he's gonna go down as one of the best and we hope that when he's done the last three three quarters it I guess he wears cuz that's kind of his thing is a Pacers one. Yeah, we love him in this city and I think he embodies everything

that this city likes about basketball. Hard nose, accountability, smart basketball. And also, we don't pout. There's no pouting. No pouting. Somebody scores on us, we're running that shit the other way. Pascal is a problem.

When he gets running, he's behind the other team. And Tyrese's first thought is, how do we get full court to Pascal? It is a beautiful thing. Now, it doesn't matter who goes off for the Pacers That's kind of been the story of this particular Pacers team last night leading scorer a man that doesn't get enough credit Go ahead Ty. Yeah, Q rich Ben Matherin took over the game last night every time he was on the court So now at this point Okay

C has one game where their bench has kind of won them the game. And you could argue that, you know, the Pacers bench obviously won them the game last night with his performance among some other guys. Well, the the Thunder be, you know, very conscious of like, hey, we can't let this guy do this again. Or do you think this was just like an otherworldly performance for him? Because we know he is a bucket getter when he gets minutes. But do you see him having another impact like this on Friday, maybe potentially?

Um, I don't know that he has another 27 point night But I mean since he's coming to leave from day one man, he's not like any confidence This kid has come in he's got he's got the like the body of a grown man from day one He doesn't back down from anybody and like I said, he doesn't lack confidence. So I don't think he has, he's shy like lacking belief in himself at all. So I think he's definitely, he comes in and he plays a certain way.

He plays that way. Like you say, he's a bucket getter. He's always looking to score the other game. He came in like 13 minutes and had like 21 of these games. I don't know if it was this series or the series before. He was like, yeah, he can put the ball in the bucket. So I mean, I definitely think that, you know, the Thunder will be more conscientious about him and pay more attention to him when he comes in the game because he's had the ability that when he comes in, he's instant offense. Just add him

to the mix and he gonna get it in. They can focus on Ben and then look out. There's an exciting white coming through AP tone has a question for you There is a six foot exciting white from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania out of Duquesne University TJ McConnell like how do How do NBA players feel about like going up against TJ McConnell who you know, he's a he's a junkyard dog He's a lunch pail keys a coaches kid. He's gonna work hard. He stole like three inbounds passes He had five steals total I think like he said her for the first time ever ten five and five like how do other NBA players feel about a guy? Like TJ McConnell just dominate list it

He's the key the guy that you hate to play against but you love to have on your team And even when he's on your team, you hate to play against him in practice You only want him on your team and on your team only. He is like the net at the barbecue. He's never going to stop. He's never going to go away. And I said this yesterday when we were on the show, I said, listen, he's the dude, he's a fan favorite.

He doesn't have to score 20 or 30. He can get in there and get a steal, die for a pass. The crowd is going to explode and erupt. Then everybody's going to go crazy. And those types of things have the propensity to propel team forward. And he's been that guy since he was in Philly or wherever other stops he's at.

Cause I remember when I was in Detroit with Stan Van Gundy and Stan used to hear Stan like, God damn it, like TJ McConnell. And it would be like, yes, TJ McConnell just came in and flipped the whole table on our game and ruined the game and now we lose. That's what he does. So right there at the end of the half, he had the ball and Tyrese is on the court.

I forget who, I think Pascal was on the court and it was a play for, for TJ McConnell to end the half and he gets to his mid range spot. He will dribble into the paint, somehow find some space. He'll get lost in the sauce somewhere. Coach's kid, I think he understands basketball pretty well. And then he has this little mid-range fade that he always makes, seemingly. And that's how we ended the half. And I was like so impressed that TJ was given the keys, like, yeah, here it is, 10 seconds

left. Go ahead, TJ. Ty Reese is right on the screen. Go ahead, TJ McClellan. Why don't you take us into half here, bud? It's like, wow, and I think at the end of another quarter, he was handing the ball and he threw a fucking Hail Mary and missed everything entirely, hit somebody in the front row, but it was still like,

he has given a lot of the keys to the offense. Like Carlisle has a lot of trust, the boys have a lot of trust, and when he gets in there and he starts bopping that wood, he starts bopping that wood! he starts bopping at wood. You know, the place goes berserk. And here's the stat that Tone was mentioning there. 10 points, five assists, five still games off the bench.

First time ever in NBA finals. I did see a lot of people underneath that saying, we're just making up stats now. It's like, well, that's a good one. First time ever. That's first time ever, brother. I think that speaks directly to what UD was talking about when it comes to Coach Carlisle. To have a guy like TJ McConaughey, like you said, Tyrese is right there next to him and

he's got an ISO going and he's got an Olympian next to him and he's going about his business like, no, I'm about to go do my thing and get my bucket. And I think that speaks to how your coaches empowered these guys. And for a guy like Ben to constantly come off the bench and have the supreme confidence that when I get the ball, it's about to be my time I'm about to go to work get into my mid-range get to the basket Whatever that speaks to the confidence that didn't just happen overnight It didn't just flip on as a Swiss that happened throughout the whole year in the season and practices and games over and over Of the you know, not only the coach Carlisle but the whole staff empowering those guys telling them that's the shot you can make take that shot do this do that

And now you see it's just instinct when those guys get in they going the bench won us that game I think that is very evident but winning that game has big implications On the entire series. I think it's like this stat We all saw it you in game three and you go up to one or something in the finals you win 80% of the time that's a wild stat. That is a wild stat. That is a big number I guess it has to mean something but the next game in my eyes. Let's uh, let's think about having one Yeah, Connor has a question for you Q. Yeah, Q rich with just one day in between kind of a quick turnaround before Game four. Do you think the Pacers are kind of looking at this game with

kind of a higher intensity? Do you think they'll treat it more so like a game seven just because you know if it's 3-1 and you're coming back to Indy knowing that you can kind of not take game five off but knowing hey if you lose game five and this goes three two we're coming we're coming back home. Do you think they're looking at this with a little bit more of hey this is almost a must-win game for us or you think it's just kind of another day at the mill not thing I think coach Carl L is definitely pressing that point and I think the guy I think the players actually know man they know what it's like to go into that arena and have to play okay see and they know how it would

be going in there if they are three one is opposed to tied up because now the pressure is against the wall And it's a lot of numbers that come into the factor as far as percentages of who wins a series if they go up 3 to 1 and all those things too so those go along with it so for them I know they have to have that urgency knowing that we got a chance to get another one on our home floor and When they stole game one I think they they knew that these the game 3 and 4 were gonna be important for them to try and win to try and win This series. I do rich who's gonna win the series

Hey, man, I'm Coming a little closer, but I still got it. I gotta go okay See right now man I think I think they get game four and then it's gonna be the best out of three and they they have the home court advantage Two of those final three will be on their court. So I know you guys don't want to hear that For the record again, I don't have a horse in the race. So I wasn't like upset last night when Indy won I was I was at home. I loved it. It was a great game. I enjoyed the game high competition That's all I asked for. I'm not I'm not out here, you know

I might be different of the magic we're in it because you know, I do some broadcasting for the magic we're in because you know I do some broadcasting for the magic so I do a little home run for the Yeah we know that's not gonna happen Never Oh that's how you gonna do City Beautiful back I love Orlando though I do love Orlando I've spent a lot of time in Orlando, love that city and also Disney World Disney's the best, Universal

Epic World is here now The new Nintendo World and all of that stuff is open That's the new big deal Harry Nintendo World and all of that stuff is open. That's the new big deal. Harry Potter World, ever heard of it? Yeah, changed my life. Yeah, that's the most Caucasian place on earth. The Avatar ride. Out of this world.

Avatar ride. Avatar is out of this world. Those little dirt bikes, I'm fucking in there. I'm in Pandora, bro. They're misting my face. I'm bobbing wood. Water and everything.atars unreal yeah what was the one uh what was the one uh I want to that other place space man no no is that what it was mountains to go but no there's a new roller coaster remember they asked me if I wanted my own train I didn't know what that meant

and then they made everybody fucking wait as me and my wife walking this side door we have our own dude it was the galaxy that one you did it right then you had the VIP take you around that's the best you can't go in the other way you gotta go with the VIP I agree I completely agree that is the right play and shout to Mike who took care of us down there he's actually a Columbus Ohio lad he is a host down at these reflect the last 10 years he was spectacular but he he did not explain to who took care of us down there. He's actually a Columbus, Ohio lad. He is a host down at Dizzy World for like the last 10 years. He was spectacular.

But he did not explain to me whenever I was asked, do you want your own train? I thought that was the transit to get to the roller coaster. And me and my wife were like, yeah, we'd love train. I, yeah, fuck yeah. You know, instead of it, it'd be better.

We got my pens, it'd be better than walking. And then we get there and everybody stop please. Two really important people. I had to walk in front of fucking a thousand, that whole place was packed. I walked right in front of all of them. And me and my wife sitting in the front row, empty roller coaster, everywhere else.

Nobody else is allowed to get on to things. We felt that we had to, I had to push down my guilt, which I definitely felt. I definitely felt, but boy, once we got out of that station and we're just in it. Oh yeah. It was a great ride. Yo, those VIPs are like the best people on the planet, man. Those are the best people ever. They make sure you don't have one worry in the world. They take care of everything.

So that makes it like super worth it. It costs a lot, but I mean, those are some of the best people in the world those VIPs that do that job. Amen I I wasn't I didn't go to Disney World growing up. I never never took a trip down there I don't know if you would have seen Tim McAfee down to Disney World. He'd love Space Mountain though Yeah, he would. You know, he would love he would fucking love that Avatar, right? Yeah, no doubt Yeah, and he would have been acting like he had a fucking bow and arrow Yeah, no doubt. And he would have been acting like he had a fucking bow and arrow. That entire thing, you know?

But like, I've only been there with that experience. So I talked to like other parents, because we took McKenzie down there, and they're like, Disney's a lot, right? And I'm like, actually. It's the best day of my life. I don't want to sound like a prick here, but it certainly costs a lot. But we did get the bang for the buck and I won't say yeah And yeah, the only bad experience is whenever a thousand people thought we were the fucking biggest pieces

We learned that we learned charges to the game I do apologize everybody that was in that room I assume you have a different view and I tried to put the hat down so you didn't know it was me People like that was fucking McAfee was me, but there was a couple people who were like, that was fucking McAfee. That was, I know who it was. Fuck that guy. All right, Q, we appreciate you, man. Thanks for pulling for OKC.

Tyrese needed to hear that. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen. All right, fellas. 13 year NBA vet, Quinn Richardson. Thank you. Thank you, Rick. All right, let's get out of here.

Age, we talked about it yesterday. The ring on Aaron's finger, wedding ring, has been there for a few months. He did take the congratulations from people. That's good news. We congratulated him yesterday. We'd like to do that again. We didn't know if you wanted to take the time to do the same thing. Congratulations, yes. I've told him many times. Congratulations. You have? Okay, because we asked you about it a few times. I said I don't have any clarity on the situation. I have, okay, because we asked you about it a few times.

I said I don't have any clarity on the situation. I have no idea what's going on, but congratulations on the wedding. Yeah, congrats on the wedding ring. That's awesome. His wedding ring. Hey, Pittsburgh loves him, dude. Pittsburgh loves him. You know, there was a couple, couple, there was a lot of dotters in Pittsburgh. Jags off. I don't think they would consider themselves Jags off. I think they were thinking Aaron was a fucking Jags off. Like, hey, Bob, I don't need you to see you shooting fucking water guns down there at a concert,

doing a Q and A on a fucking picnic chair in front of people whenever you're telling me you can't fucking play football. Oh, you got time for three and a half hours with Joe Rogan, huh? Is that right? You don't have time to show up at our fucking facility? A lot of that out of Pittsburgh.

That's classic Pittsburgh. That's how that was gonna be. But I think Pittsburgh people were putting that guard up just in case Aaron was to not become a stealer. Then they could say, I fucking, never. Maybe Tom was fucking confused. I was, there was a lot of that happening. And Yinsers understand that I understand

what was probably happening there. But as soon as it actually happens, pen to paper, he goes to the golf outing, everybody's talking up. They're showing clips from practice. He's doing his thing like Yinsers are like, hold up, we got a fucking four time NFL MVP now. We got a, we got a ravey a squad. No defense going to be good.

Got to take care of TJ Watt by Aaron, Artie Smith, maybe DK. Fuck we're paying 30 million for a guy down inside. It's like it happened almost immediately, but I think with the clips that are rolling out, Yenzer's are all in on Aaron Rodgers. If I'm reading it accurately. You're a hundred percent right about the lead up and you know kind of how we treated it just in case it didn't happen we were not going to be caught off guard with our pants down and be like oh no we always wanted Aaron.

Yeah that was always going to be uh fuck him anyway. Yeah there was never going to be a setup for Pittsburgh people to be like oh this guy that was never on our team broke our heart. That was always going to turn into we fucking never wanted him. That is just how it is. That is how it is. That helmet is gross. Disgusting. He knows it too.

Yeah. He hates it too. So big. The company that made this helmet actually sent a message and say we could get you overnight and fucking brand new helmet Aaron's wearing. I'm like, I don't think you want us to have that here. Yeah. Because what we will say is Jesus Christ, this guy looks like a fucking astronaut. What the hell is going on with he needs a guardian cap on there, too. Yeah

Yeah, he does. He's moving. Well, though. It looks good moving moving great. Yeah, great. I mean all the videos coming out are awesome Unlike Joe Flacco. He said he is going to mentor the younger quarterbacks on the roster So, you know kind of a good guy in that situation, always better than the Browns. No, we are very, very excited. DK, listen, GP is awesome. He's a great wide receiver. Happy's with the Cowboys.

Happy's with the Cowboys. He's gonna do great. You see DK running around out there in that number four jersey, and he's got 1% body fat, and you know what he's done, and you know why he's made 30 million. That's awesome. Like the whole off there's a

Everyone feels like kind of like how John Lynch was talking about earlier There's a lot of reports coming out of Pittsburgh that everyone came in, you know In the best shape they have in their careers and with a renewed focus for this season So yeah, it feels like things are positive standard was the standard until it wasn't standard anymore now We need to get back to the standards, right? And I got a chance to hang out with a couple of Steelers a couple couple of younger Steelers, I let them know it was their generation that brought in Guardian caps. That is something that they're just going to have to deal with. That is the fact. That's a matter of fact. Now, they did point out some other stats and facts too about said Guardian caps for me. But if you listen to them talk and hang out, it's like, I like the way this team operates. I like the way they talk. I like the way they hang out.

They love ball. That team loves football. And it's like very evident. You're going to have to in Pittsburgh. Cause if you don't, it'll get sniffed out by everybody. And then you'll get run out of town. It's like the, the energy around that Steelers team. And I know every year there's a thought that the Steelers can

win because they will have a winning season. And if they win a couple more games, you mean you might fuck you might have a home playoff game like they're always in that but it does feel like especially with how Aaron's been looking it's like why not the Pittsburgh Steelers and uh I think that's a good thing for Aaron to have and the way he answered the question about what would it mean for you to win another championship and then he looks he goes that would be seven for Pittsburgh, right? Yep, that'd be pretty big. It's like Pittsburgh people are like, it's not about him.

Yeah, it's like literally, I think everything he's doing right now is really, really good. I hope you tell him that. And I wonder, you know, his appreciation of the city of Pittsburgh is long. And I think that's a big part of this whole process as well.

He's been a diehard Pittsburgh guy from day one. I mean, Mike McCarthy helped to, I mean, we had so many people with Pittsburgh roots on the staff in Green Bay during his time that he's always been intrigued and loved talking about Pittsburgh. But think of like the team now and the coaching staff, when they break mini camp and you go off

to this little break that you have in the summer, like think of the, like, think of, they're probably all bopping out of there. They're all like, they're all right on their feet. They're all very optimistic, very confident going into their off season program now, because if he wouldn't have shown up, yeah,

you still have the same kind of, but it's just not the same. Now it's like, man, I can't wait till we come back and we put pads on and we see what we look like. I liked that he signed before the mandatory mini camp and Ian Rappaport was asking for that. So he didn't have to work back then. But I liked that he signed for the mandatory minicamp and Ian Rappaport was asking for that so he didn't have to fucking work. But I like that he signed for what you just said that would have been just dangling over everybody in the organization the entire city just for like like kind of a cloud now it's TJ

Watt that they're gonna have to get done but everybody has said they're gonna get yeah have to that's what everybody said but TJ's like when they've done it before TJ got it done right before Training camp or whatever. He'll kick the door down and that's why he's gonna kick the door And I think that's why you answers are like TJ will be There he'll be there that little ayahuasca hippie guy. We didn't know but now we know he's gonna be there. That's good news. I I'm excited for the Pittsburgh Steelers faithful legit I am very pumped up for Steelers fans because that is a city that, you know, what's your problem?

What's your problem? No, I'm hyped up for them too. No, your face said either you're not hyped up for them or it's a false hype. I think it's June 12th and it's one of those situations where, you know, you look around and it's cool. It is. But the only team that the Pittsburgh Steelers respect in that division is the Baltimore

Ravens and there's a reason for that. And Baltimore basically everything they've done has been- You're saying Baltimore still exists. I think- Buffalo still exists. And Kansas City still exists. And the Chargers are you know potentially, potentially going to do their thing. The Chargers fall into the same category as I'd put the Steelers.

Where it's like, hey, they're going to be solid. They're going to be really good. But when it comes to those like tiers of teams, they're not in the up the tier. Yeah, yeah. That's what I mean. Yeah, they can earn their way. Yeah, like the Steelers what that's what I mean. Yeah, I can earn their way Yeah, like like the Steelers put play the Patriots week three and if you're a Steelers fan I know for a fact you're thinking if we better be the Patriots week three in Gillette

Hey, just put a W on a If you're a Patriots fan you're looking at it as like, okay If the Patriots beat the Steelers then we might have something here and I'm that's not a shot at Pittsburgh And I don't think it's a shot at New England either because I think that's just the state of both teams. But I do think there is that reality of, yeah, having Aaron's awesome, but because of how terrible the last two years,

the last one year, because two years ago was an injury, how terrible last year was with Devante and Garry Wilson and Breece Hall and all these incredible players. The one thing that the Jets didn't really have was a veteran O-line and the one thing the Steelers have is a young O-line. Listen, you know the Jets. The organization doesn't count.

Completely agree. Just like if he was on the Browns, it wouldn't have counted there either. Completely agree, but if they were scoring 30 points a game with the Jets and then you know the defense was giving up 35 that'd be one thing. He had 30 and 10. His down years are career years for other guys. Look it up. It's a fact. Him, Tone has been the great depiction. Yeah. He has been a great, he even got caught up in the microphone on the live show. I don't want this fucking jack off.

Fucking done with us. And I'm like, yo, we are live right now, bro. This is not off air conversation. 1202. Yeah. We are on air right now. Cause like off air, every day that went by, he would read everybody saying, Aaron's going,

Aaron's going, then he would see Aaron doing something else. And he, like every other Yinser would react the same way. I'm fucking done with this guy. I think that was Monday after the lawn chair on the stage with stud. Yeah. And you were like, I'm fucking sick of this guy. In Pittsburgh, people, this guy hadn't even been on the team yet. Why isn't he a practice? Well, he's not on the fucking team. We're sick of it. We're sick of him not being on the team. It's like, well, he's never been on the team. Yeah. But now he's supposed, know too much and then tone took that energy from over there Onto the show

And I had to remind him like a people are hearing what you're saying right now And tell was like fuck it needs to be said this is how we feel and as soon as he signs now tone listen to research He's got 30 and 10. He has four time MVP He's done like he's watching that he's watching that Enigma documentary guy. That's our fucking quarterback. I think everyone should watch it. It'll change your opinion. The best part is he was actually at 28 and 12,

but 30 and 10 sounds so much better. He's already lying for this guy. He's already lying for this guy. I sent Aaron a text that when you win in Pittsburgh, like, the Ingers will murder people for you for the rest of your life. And that's a matter of fact. But you potentially were the person that they wanted murdered before you even judge.

That's how it should be. He's got to respect that. Great football time. I'm from a time with the great football team. He didn't know sticks. Well, he said they'd play a song. It was and a third quarter, fourth. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like I Think he knew I think he was just could you imagine if he would have been sitting up there?

And he just he just goes they go. How's it feel be a Pittsburgh Steelers? He goes the only song I'm listening to is sing along if you know it. Oh mama I'm a fear for my life from the long oh oh no no no no You got a kaboom boom boom Kaboom he starts break dancing right in front of him Oh baby I thought they were changing the song. Move it that quick.

Mike Studds newest breakout single. What's that called? Chance. I think it's called Ren breakout single. What's that called? Chance. I think it's called Renegade. What if Mike Studd does a remix of Sticks Renegade? Oh mama! I'm in fear for my life! He doesn't, that's not-

He's more of a smoking word guy. No, we can't sing like him. I don't know, yeah. We just ruined it. Slam poetry? Yeah from the logger Manus put an end to my run and I'm so far from my home

I Hate that version Well get used to it I'm not already sorry jelly roll Asking me to sing that song in front of 45,000 people is certainly something I sang a good amount of it You're saying much more than I thought you're going. Yeah, I was looking for I was looking for a fucking when you're in water and they throw you a Life preserver yeah, I thought that was happening, you know And I don't think I asked enough questions before we went up on that stage like hey, when are you professional singer? You know pretty big stage when are you gonna start the walk to get out here cuz Pretty lonely Island out here. You know big stage bigger big stadium big a stick

Yeah, actually is what you guys are calling it and What a song I mean that song is awesome the sticks people sent us some beer, right? Yeah, they did renegade water How is it really really good? I wouldn't say it's really good. I was a stack up to the real American beer No, I mean, it's one of those goofy ass beers that people like to make you know It's like fucking 14% alcohol or something. I mean, it's you know, yeah sure Yeah, exactly. It's got like the grapefruit finish. It's just not for me. If you like IPA's you'll probably love it It's called Oh mama. Oh Mama. You know? Yeah. Oh Mama. I don't need another one of these is, is what I call it. But.

As long as the label says what it is. It is. It is a neat looking can. I'll give them that. It is a neat looking can. It is. Great song. Great song. Great song. I love sticks. I just. Great band. Every time you open one, you go. Funny you mention oh funny I mentioned that I did that you know verbatim this morning no no I didn't know I didn't know if it was grilled chicken and Oh mama 830 Oh mama no I listen it's what Thursday night I might have a couple pops tonight because I I was very

responsible with how many pops I had last night. I'm proud of me. Yeah exactly. Exactly. Last night could have been a little bit of a runaway. It could have been a runaway. I could have really dedicated to making it a runaway but I said you know what we got a basketball game to win. Yeah I want to remember this moment. I want to remember everything that's going on around. And you were Max efforting for us. I was. You know Talk had a couple moments when he wasn't given Max energy. Did you see that? Oh yeah yeah yeah talk would sit down every once in a while he was clapping when everybody else was yelling defense he was yeah he was during a defense bar I

looked over at him I'm like talk, talk. You're not helping anything. You're actually hurting the whole thing. Sorry. That was his first Yay Sports event. Yippee-ki-yay, what do you? No, he was at this event like, yay sports. No, he's pulling for the Pacers hard. He's pulling for the Pacers hard. He was actually showed jacked up.

He just took Gumpy's seat. It was awesome. Gumpy loved it. He was really pumped about it. He hasn't talked about it at all today. Yeah, Gumpy didn't. Oh, no. Gumpy didn't.. He was really pumped about it. He hasn't talked about it at all today. Yeah, Gumpi didn't. Oh, no. Gumpi didn't.

I actually thought it was, I asked him if I was allowed to come back to his suite on Friday. Gumpi standing there, sweet towel underneath a hat, looks. Why were you wearing the towel? We were getting beat early, so I put the towel on. Then what happened? A rally cap, OK. Gathered rally cap.

He was supporting the Pacer. What was it? Oh, yeah, he was supporting the Pacer. What was it? Oh yeah, he was supporting the Pacer. What do you mean? What do you mean? You haven't been able to watch the Bin Laden doc, but of course Tyrese's nickname. Oh, the Pacer.

Yeah, well that wasn't his nickname actually. Yeah, it was, what were they called? Tyrese, well Tyrese's nickname has been. Yes, I know that, but Bin Laden. Bin Laden, they call, his nickname was the Pacer. the pace yeah yeah yeah cuz he saw him from drone walking back and forth yeah and they thought that was him I need to watch that doc it's good so good it's one of the best dogs I've seen in the last like wise okay what's tonight hockey fuck Sunday Oh post-golf post-golf and then I mean post-golf

Sunday and around five or so five six Let's open might be later, you know, I did it today. Yeah, unfortunately we might I mean there's chance hockey's over by Sunday, so King Henry think so. Yeah Stu skin has never lost a game for surprisingly Oh talks a cop up for that information right there talks a muka Ben has never lost a game four, surprisingly. Oh, Toxacaba for that information right there. Toxamooka. Toxamooka. All right. When I get a sweet, I need you to remind me of that.

Toxacaba, I think, is a different word. You don't want to know. That could happen, too. Every once in a while, I try to roll the dice on different languages when I'm on WWE commentary. Sure. And I'm like, pff. The people who actually speak this language

are going to hear this. So I always back off. Well, then that one time you didn't roll the dice on. I can't understand what you're saying. And they got mad at that too. They said I was racist. I don't understand fucking Spanish. Not all of it.

I understand all the quiestalmos, luchos, crostos. Gato. But if you're it's bingo. Bumbequito. Blanco. Yeah. Right. Gringo. I understand gr gringo I understand a lot of the idea yeah certainly serve a sir I mean there's a lot of in there

survey says oh oh my god it's cold but you're gonna speak an entire sentence at me that seemingly is demeaning towards me and it's in Spanish and it's very quickly like Raquel Rodriguez was speaking. It's like, you know, the message isn't landing. I these ears this brain You're saying stuff. I don't know what it is. Yeah, I'm gonna need you speak English You should have your translator app up on your phone next time Speaking in this speaking in this and then I hold on I want to hear Say in Spanish There an app that does that yeah. Yes, I think the new translate after you think saying yes

What's that I heard the new I heard the new like whatever operating system for iPhone will real-time Translate your text if it's in any language. I don't know if I voice voice I don't know if I can voice to text and do it though if it's in any language, I don't know if I can voice to text and do it though. Aside, I like that advancement in technology. That'll certainly help bring the world together more, which is good. I need my iPhone to stop turning down the sound

of my fucking alarm. Okay? No reason at all. Haptics, why do I know that haptics and sounds is a setting in my phone? Because the fucking haptics and sounds is a setting in my phone? Because the fucking haptics and sounds just get turned down on my alarm out of nowhere. Out of nowhere.

It's like a new thing. I got to set an alarm, then I got to go check my sound and haptics for my alarm to make sure it's of noise, you know? Because we've got my my daughter's monitor monitor yeah monitor in there and she's got white noise. Oh, yeah, obviously drowns everything out So there's white noise pumping through the bedroom. So whenever my alarm just gets turned down to low i'm not in there I'm not turning it fucking down to low

I can't hear my alarm that i've missed my alarm now for the first time in my life like two times in the last week Because of this goddamn iphone thing that's going on and also stop fucking putting my photos in the photo gallery From when the photos were taken I saved the picture today I hate I don't need to go back two months to fucking find it. Why'd I save it? I'm there's Tim Tim Apple. Mm-hmm has done some good things and we are appreciative of Tim Apple There's some things that happen with this phone. I'm like, it's supposed to be smart It's the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life. Why are you making my life worse the photo thing? I have learned if so you're saying like you saw a photo from March 15 2025 and now I Saved it. Yeah. No, I like bill will send me a photo. Yeah from like three days ago

Yes, I will save photo. Mm-hmm. It'll then go into my gallery from three days ago They say you can turn down a little setting down on the lower left Yeah, that says date saved as opposed to picture taken, but I've changed that and it just Gets back to its own shit. I'm like, what are we doing? I use the search in Photos more than anything. So you tagging these photos? No, no, no. I just search the date that I like remember it from. So like if I think-

Never in a million years will I do that. Yeah, I mean, what if you don't know? I can't believe you do that. That's unbelievable. What are you, a raid man? No, no, you just think about the stuff that was going on around that time because it's a specific photo

Man, I'm gonna open that thing and just I'm a scroller Everyone's want a hard some I got some favorites. Obviously, of course that that's what drives me insane Is I'll go back favorite one then go into my favorites and it's not the newest favorite. Yes, whenever it was that this is me off. Yeah Tim Apple get to the bottom. Yeah, that was a bad update the haptics and sounds thing. I've never heard of that one I believe in made an iPhone yet. No, I think with his hands he did they asked him one time He fucking got a screw it feels like we're still on the jobs iPhones. I'm just gonna say that now I would say there's a lot of I will say Advancements I assume with Tim Apple would tell you that you're not paying attention to. The cameras are getting better,

and that's really all we care about. Somebody had a, that's what you care about as a cameraman. The, somebody had a Google Pixel phone yesterday. So nice. One of the guys that was at the show. Very nice camera. It was very nice. Yeah, they rave about those.

Those cameras are great out here. Heavy rig though. And to be clear, I took a picture with the guy and I took his phone phone and I wanted to see How much better the camera is? Not that much better. I don't know if it's worth giving up a blue text. No chance. No that one. Got a green text from somebody this morning Loser! It's tough for me to respond to. If I don't know the number and it's green, I apologize. I'm fucking out. Mm-hmm

on to. If I don't know the number and it's green, I apologize. I'm fucking out. Then I get a, then I get a, like a guilt trip message about, Oh, cause I'm not conforming to fucking Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop. You're going to get hacked. I'm not. It's like, actually they say your guys. Yeah, I'm not going to get hacked. Yeah. Tim Apple. Been pretty good at that. I'm sure Tim Apple was pounding the pavement in the security room. So we're not giving him credit for anything. Like what does he get credit for? Does anyone use AI features on

their iPhone? No, I don't. But he added that. I've heard that I've heard the chat GPT app rather than the actual AI functions on your phone are much better. But I use grok all the time. I use grok. Yeah, I'm straight to grok. Just right there. easy Yeah, you can ask you can ask rock anything. I asked rock for image of Aaron at his wedding and what what is what it show you? Okay, pulled it pulled something up. Was that the actual one? I don't know if it was maybe we don't know. Yeah AJ were you there? Were you best man? Yeah, speak. That's why I say so pissed. No, I don't know. Was there a ceremony what they do? I hope they do have a you tell us you would be there in in the ceremony if you get a chance to speak if they have Like a reception or something later, which we have seen before some people have four weddings It's a good move

But what's the anniversary we found out what the anniversary was it was not the third wedding first one party. Yeah So boxy owes me 200 bucks bingo something else yeah bingo yeah lay up yeah so whenever you speak at the third wedding that you guys have maybe for the fourth wedding they have you need to oh you need to start with a little o. Yeah, AJ, fucking test them out. Maybe I will. Are you coming out here tomorrow? Yeah, I'll be there. Alright, safe travels. I think there's going to be some rain.

Definitely. I'm a great driver in the rain. Rain keeps me awake. It's good. Well, rain makes corn. Corn makes whiskey. Ty only had two of those last night. I did fucking sign seal deliver my mouth the gods ear. I Mean the dump with the puke over top in the same toilet. That's tough. He was He's got skinny legs. What was the brand of the first one? Sailor Jerry. No, I do not have a fucking sailor Jerry and Pacers were in the NBA Finals

Okay This was a supposed to be some VIP event allegedly being Tony kind of just got shuffled in there We're gonna go up the suite. Oh, were you down below? Yeah. Oh, you see the NBA Finals What no what I saw was the flower. No, there was two What? No, what I saw was the flower. No, there was two Two ladies dressed up as the Larry O'Brien trophy. We did see them. They said have a nice night. That was great What else what what I did see though was the fucking bottom shelf booze selection They were I took one look at it said Jesus Christ having that sailor Jerry since I was a sophomore in high school You kidding me? That's what we're serving

So no, I didn't have a booze cocktail there. They did you had to wait till we got upstairs and Fucking thing And so yeah, you know, I had a couple jacking diets, but they were very liberal with the hey Mary You're getting one shot in here. Okay, and then you're getting three-fourths of a can of diet Pepsi You know, maybe that's what it was. You think it was all diet Pepsi? I think it was the diet Pepsi It's not Pepsi's good with the Jack. I think diet Pepsi shit. No, I agree, but with the Jack, I think it's better personally I'm just so conditioned to diet coke though me as well that like maybe you just threw off my equilibrium Is it diet coke though? What is it?

We're not talking about you buddy the fuck am I doing? Shouts to keep your chance for in a cold face time knowing that we were gonna shit talk him relentlessly shout out to Henry Lundquist, Liam Cohen, John Lynch, and the band, Adam Schefter. Yeah. Just think about me band. Fucking list. Okay.

Bunch of names. What do you do? You send a text or an email, band. That's what you do? Just a heads up. Fucking six letters, brother. B-A-A-N-E-D. Never forget it, fuck out. All these people that talk about our business

are very interesting. Because in a lot of situations, and this is gonna sound very narcissistic, there's only one person that has the answer, okay? And that would be me. Mm-hmm, and I don't talk to that fucking guy. So how would he ever feel speak rat? I Think I could though pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop. I'm soft. There you go. Oh, that is what it is So it's an interesting thing, you know, it's like, I don't really get it. We're three years into this thing to Burke Magnus gave a great quote. He knows. I mean, you know, you put that your picture next to

chef, these on their chef, these band from that show like that, that everyone's clicking on that he knows what he's doing. I guess the naivety of whatever we started licensing our show through ESPN. And once again, full creative control, still own my company 100%, still all that, but partner with ESPN. In the green, by the way, I remember a lot of articles about how grotesquely overpaid we were. Okay, and I've learned about the lack of business knowledge that a lot of these writers have,

including the one who wrote about this morning on how this all works. It's like, I thought there was going to be like, you know, like, hey, we're coming in here to do that. And instead, that's like three years ago. And then now, in ESPN, we know who it is. He knows we know who it is too. Oh, okay. He knows, you know, we all know. Everybody knows who it is. And it's like, listen up you little rat. Okay? This is the future, I think, of what people who are much more important to the company than you are,

are thinking, and we are just trying to be an additive to sports media. And it's like, if you just continue to shit stories out of context, so many missing parts of things just to try to make it look, make us look bad. Like three years into this, it's like, come on, we've made money for the company. I think we've done good things for the company. I think there's been some awards that have been given to some shows that we've been,

I mean, there's just like, like, come on, you know, know at what point are we just gonna fucking just leave us the fuck alone almost you know just but every time I wake up yeah there's another thing being written about you being a piece of shit it's like great it's fucking great can't wait to continue to do it but I appreciate Burke Magnus going to bat for us you know that was the most definitive statement that has been made by actual people with power at that company and uh, There's this level right below there, but probably couple. Yeah, maybe a little bit low That they all think they're somebody y'all motherfuckers are dinosaurs, bro You are about to get run the fuck into extinction and you know it

And it's only a matter of time for everybody else knows it With that being said Let's fucking enjoy this life. We're lucky to do it. We'll be live from Gamebridge Field House tomorrow. That has been confirmed. And we appreciate you all so much to follow along. Like, you're the greatest people on earth for allowing us to do this.

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