The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1365 - The Pacers Force Game 7, Quentin Richardson, Adam Schefter, NY Times Best Selling Author Mark Kriegel, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys break down the Pacers thrilling game 6 victory over the Thunder to force a game 7 in the NBA Finals on Sunday. Joining the show to chat all about the game and what he thinks is going to happen in game 7 is 13 year NBA veteran, ESPN NBA analyst, co-host of the Knuckleheads podcast, Quentin Richardson. Next, ESPN Senior NFL Insider, Adam Schefter chats about his day covering the first round of the Travelers Championship and what it was like being inside the ropes following Rory McIlroy and Keegan Bradley, and what NFL stories and news we should be keeping our eyes out for the next few weeks. Lastly, NY Times best-selling author and ESPN boxing analyst and essayist, Mark Kriegel, to chat about his new book “Baddest Man: The Making of Mike Tyson,” and his thoughts on the current state of boxing and where it might go with the Canelo Alvarez/Bud Crawford fight on the horizon. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you on Monday. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode the Thunderdome on this feel great Friday June 20th 2025 this program begins now Sports are happening and the reason why this is a feel great Friday Not just a feel good Friday is because the Indiana Pacers in a dominant fashion last evening Have forced a game seven in the NBA finals against the number one overall seed Oklahoma City Thunder. Last night, game six in Indianapolis, Indiana was electrifying. We are lucky enough to be in the building. A lot of records have taken place with this Indiana Pacer team.

A lot of times they were counted out, pushed aside, said it was over. This team ain't trash they're actually have the most overrated player in the NBA voted on by his peers leading this bunch who gritted his ass through a calf and an ankle injury last night didn't even have to play the final quarter of the game because of that big of an ass beating was taking place Foxy show the play show the play show the play lucky to be in the building when Tyrese gets a steal ah Give me that in the pink. Halle ones the Puma Beauty get shoved been happening all series They let him play last night. I'm not judging it. How about the no-look deal?

the all-star Pascal Siakam a Poster in Indiana. That place went apeshit. That place was electrifying. This place last night was celebrating an incredible Indiana Pacers season, knowing it was gonna be the last home game, regardless of the outcome,

and what the Pacers did was show up for us in a massive way. Game seven obviously taking place for the first time, long time in the NBA finals and our city is getting a chance to experience it all. We know in Oklahoma City on Sunday, it is going to be a wild atmosphere. We know them smackers and Tigers are going to be out in a big way. We know the Oklahoma City fan base is going to fuel the thunder as much as hopefully the Indianapolis folks fueled the Indiana Pacers last night. And we know that a game seven is always going to be must watch. We are so incredibly proud of the boys.

We are so incredibly pumped for the boys. And we know that game seven in Oklahoma City at eight o'clock on Sunday on ABC is going to be something that's talked about forever. Good luck to all the boys. Good luck to all the boys. Good luck, boys. Sheppard hits the buzzer beating at the end of the third quarter three, gets it off perfectly, swishes that thing,

turns around in the center of the court with one of these, roof blown off. It was like last night watching that particular game was pure euphoria. It was great to see the boys come out in dominating fashion and it was great to see them respond when everybody thought it was over. The Indiana Pacers and the Game Bridge Fieldhouse,

more specifically, their employees, security, arena, PR, marketing, basically all the different departments, they had to rehearse the Larry O'Brien ceremony on the court yesterday, the night before, four hours, five hours, how the ceremony's gonna go, you know, where the lighting is, where the camera goes, where Larry O'Brien goes,

where the Oklahoma City Thunder will go. Let's practice, let's get to Oklahoma City Thunder colored confetti and like, they had to go through, the entire Pacers building basically. Visitors locker room. Had to go through, yeah, had to go through it all. You have to go to the, the whole thing, like numerous times.

And you could sense that it was like, this is not how this is gonna, this cannot be how this season ends. And Tyrese Halliburton, Neesmith, great shooter. Great shooter. Start out a little rough, great shooter. Stardow Little Ruff, great shooter. Nemhard, big time shots. Pascal, obviously doing his thing.

And then whenever you think about OB Toppin' going for 20 plus off the bench, and when you think about this bench, you can't help but say TJ McConnell. Absolute dog from Pittsburgh. We got a chance to meet his dad last night on the post-game interviews. He's incredibly proud. You know, he's got a chance to meet his dad last night on the postgame interviews. He says he's incredibly proud You know, he's got a daughter in WNBA got a son in the NBA and on Sunday

I'm gonna go home and say he watched my son play for a world championship. I can't believe it. I can't believe it It's just been also like authentic. I was Pacers team every answer Tyrese gives it's not like a canned answer Hey, do you try to stay off social media? I try, you know, I try my best. Every once in a while I gotta catch up with what's going on WWE, so I hop on X real quick, see some stuff, gotta get out of there, you know, trying to isolate myself. I see obviously what's said about me on ESPN. He's told us that in between series, maybe he'll get back on social media whenever it's series times, he gets off of there because he doesn't need to get flooded with any type of doubt or thoughts from anybody else.

And it's like this team is very easy to root for this team is a team that you can like in Oklahoma City is the same way I'm not saying that they are not but this finals Showcasing two cities that have really shown up in two states and fan bases that are yearning for a title Showing up in a big way going to seven games. It's beautiful thing. Congratulations Congratulations to the NBA Toxic Tibbous here at Boss Conor at Ty Schmidt Con man we were in there last night it was awesome yeah unbelievable one of the best environments I've ever been in I said that about games three and four last night would definitely surpass all of that the Siakam play you mentioned when we re-watched

it back after the fact it looked even more electric on the broadcast which was very exciting to see it's incredible how well the team just answers you know TJ McConnell's dad also said at game seven anything can happen and that's kind of where we're at right now Halliburton goes down Siakam I mean he had the slam which was filthy I forget what song was put over that but it looked and sounded immaculate. But him going off for 33, the bench doing what they did. Tyrese Halliburton, his over under last night was 13 and a half points. He scored 14.

So way to hit that over Tyrese. But if you were to tell me, hey, Tyrese Halliburton was going to have 14 points, five assists and a rebound in game six, I would be a little little bit worried and then you look at what everyone else did everybody Stepped up mostly everybody step up Tony Bradley came in TV 13 TV 13 He had some big minutes for the boys kind of got everybody going played a little you know tough defense We've been Tony Bradley guys since day one and the the finisher if you will, you know, we might James Johnson coming in and it wasn't the loudest pop of the night because of that siakham dunk But when he comes in with 230 left on the clock people go

Ballistic and they don't go ballistic cuz I got James Johnson some dumbness they come in cuz he's setting the tone for for game Seven he's not coming in just to get in and say that he played in the NBA finals. He's coming in to send a message to the OKC bench. He's barking right there to then letting them know, hey, we're not screwing around. He's crashing the boards, even though he knows that's going in. Good, nice little elbow. Maybe even a Udonis Haslam locker room rightlam locker room right to the officials ejecting him so he gets two ovations played for two minutes one ejection two ovations and the JJ legacy will continue to only build here in Indianapolis Indiana he was brought to the team to protect the young boys like that is literally what he was brought to the team to to do in the way he leads

everybody sees it everybody loves him and he'll come in and put some it hey Oh, yeah, there was one time he had a I think he still had some had a couple bracelets on yeah Bracelets on came in Knocked down a shot does this thing? It's like you really experience and feel the team's culture in this entire thing had a lot of people traveling in for the game Justin Jefferson was in town He was we saw him as we were entering the building. So he just wanted to experience finals atmosphere. It was like, oh, thanks for

coming. Justin Jefferson to the city. I assume last night was electric for him. The city was alive after a big time win. Also, Jeff Passon was there last night. Got a chance to see Jeff Passon. He brought his boy, one of his boy's friends over here from St. Louis, right? Where does he live? Kansas City. Kansas City, okay, Missouri. Yeah, he's left on the map. Yeah, correct. I don't think that far.

I think it was a doable drive. He looked good. He did look good. Good fit. He had a, he had like thong toe sandals on. Sure, he had the deep V neck, I do know that. Yeah, deep V neck and cargo shorts. Hair looked immaculate.

Always does. And just kind of just living, just doing it. You look like a billionaire tech guy. Like if you were to imagine what like Zuckerberg looked like when Facebook had a million. Who has a surfboard. Exactly. Shot Steve Dynare in Outer Banks.

Uh-huh. Oh, the OVX. Yeah, yeah, Steve T. Dynare in Outer Banks sends Oh the OBX? Yeah Steve T down there in Outer Banks sends me this surfboard right here. I was on it trying to find some barrels you know a little bit earlier. That's some fine wood right there. That is some fine wood. Great craftsmanship. It is. Have you got a chance to feel this thing? No I haven't. Real deal brother. Steve lives at OBX? I believe he lives at OBX. He supplies everybody in OBX with surfboards. I believe he lives OBS. He supplies everybody in OBS with surfboards

I believe he is the OBS lifestyle. He's a poke. He's a poke. Yeah. Yeah, certainly from from the Outer Banks show They call themselves pokes so Steve might be poked. Yeah You want to be that yes. Well, if that's what you want to be I think Steve is that and shut Steve doing that but nonetheless nonetheless, last night, electric TJ McConnell takes over. James Johnson comes in, gets a big time pop. It felt like everybody in there believed Indiana finishers. I think some people after, you know,

game five were a little bit worried, especially with Tyrese potentially being game time decision. Like if Tyrese is not going to play, then we're kind of, you know, we are done. I mean, the entire thing. The moment. The moment. The guy. And then as the day rolls on, it's like, Shams is like, he's playing. And then you, Donnis has them yesterday as we were talking to him, just at about, I don't know, two or five or whatever he goes. It just hit me, Tyrese is going to be just is gonna be just fine. And I was like, who told you that?

He goes, nah, I just think he's gonna be okay. And I'm like, what do you mean you think he's gonna be okay? He's like, we would already know if he wasn't gonna be okay, is basically what UD was saying. Sean, somebody would already know if he wasn't gonna be okay, because they'd be trying to set expectation levels,

maybe, for fans. And the other teams are already preparing for him and for him not to be there, so it's like, and UD was like, he's gonna be fine. And then as it rolls on, it's like, and you do, he's like, he's going to be fine. And then as it rolls on, it's like, wait a minute, if Tyrese is playing, that's a big pick me up for everybody in the city, not just on the team, but in the building. And then if they're able to get a lead like they against game six against the Denver Duggets, where they kind of, which you called expertly yesterday, you said, hey, Oklahoma City, these game sixes, just kind of relaxed game sixes for the Indian Pacers

have been very, very good for the Indiana Pacers So it's like it was a dominating win Tyrese got the rest Tyrese got the play everybody else showed up in a big way It's like when they needed it most crunch time somebody else is about to have the confetti fall in their faces on your floor And your entire Organization has had to walk through the other teams Championship ceremony a couple times it's like I love the fact that they all bought in said I don't think so one half of the hammer that Cowboys AP tone the underdog mentality

for the Pacers team throughout the entire postseason has been great for them I mean entire postseason they've been more than five point dogs basically every single series especially on the road at home. This series obviously against OKC, they've been legendary underdogs and taking it to seven. So yeah, the mentality of the underdogs has been great for them. But as far as last night, on the broadcast, and they couldn't have stressed this enough, Pacers only had 11 turnovers last night. They had 23 the game before that.

If OKC isn't getting turnovers, that's basically their whole game. And then this whole series, it's been like who besides the Stars is going to show up. Last night it was the Pacers role players who showed up. None of the OKC role players showed up at all. Their third highest score behind SGA and Jalen Williams only had 11. So it's like who else is going to score in this series? And then the Pacers, the Pacers were the ones who were playing defense last night. They were getting it after it. They were out running.

And they looked like OKC on defense last night, honestly. Yeah, I I really enjoyed watching this Pacers team play. It was just good basketball. Yes. Like the way it was just like methodical ass beating by the Indiana Pacers last night. And any time we needed a shot to put a fire out, we did. And it's like there was a 20, I think it was 28 points or something like that with like 10 minutes left. And it was like, can't give up a 28 point lead, right? And everybody in the building is like no.

And they sub out their starters. And then the thought is like, well, the backup guys are going to try hard. And then we got our backup guys. And you start seeing that like lead disappear. And I'm like, still in there. I'm like, no, no, no how this cannot be how this goes and then the Pacers bench Just answered far for he was in there Like we're talking about just answering out there It was a great battle man And the fact that the NBA has a seven game series in the finals what a win for basketball for sports as a whole well

And that's what's so ironic is everyone wants to talk about the ratings and how it's two small market teams and how does the NBA have a problem because still no one's like, I guess casual fans like super casual fans maybe aren't watching it, but for a guy like me who loved the NBA but in like years past not having an actual team, my interest in the finals have kind of waned a little bit just because it's such a long process like this is arguably the best finals series since what like 2016 like this the basketball so for everyone to say no one's watching it This has been one of the most entertaining finals of all time like it just every single night year It's almost a guarantee Maybe with you know a couple of those games late it kind of got out of hand

but for the most part for 48 minutes like you are going to be entertained by both sides. Like, and it just, you're right. I mean, the NBA, you know, it'd be nice if more people were watching it because this has been a hell of a series, but it's unbelievable that we're getting a game seven. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is the man who picked the Oklahoma City Thunder to win last night.

No horse in a race, he says. Played 13 years in the NBA as co-host of the knuckleheads podcast front of the program ladies and gentlemen cute rich I'm good I'm good probably not as good as you fellas but I'm doing good man I enjoyed the game last night it was a it was a I mean obviously it was a blowout believe oh no cat got his tongue. Coach Dax. It could be coach Dax. You cut out right there. We lost you completely.

Oh, my bad. My bad. I said, no, I enjoyed the game. I mean, it ended up being a blowout, so it was a little less enjoyable on that end. But the fact that we get a game seven, I'm super hyped about it, man. We got more basketball.

Yeah, absolutely. More basketball is great for the NBA. I think it's great for sports media as a whole, especially with the way these games have gone. Ty just kind of mentioned it there. The style of play that is being played. I mean, there is great basketball happening by, you know, one of the teams, I guess,

both of the teams in most of the games last night being a blowout and everything like that. But it's like the atmospheres have been electric, the basketball has been fantastic. For game seven, all anybody has said is, it could be anybody's game. TJ McConnell's day, say, he think happy. It's game seven.

I mean, that is very true. What are your thoughts on going into a game seven, if you're the home team, and what are your thoughts on going into a game seven, if you're an away team? The Pacers went into New York, Madison Square Garden, game seven last year. One did some gardening.

They have some experience going into another building and winning. But in this case, what is your thoughts on both teams' perspectives of a game seven in Oklahoma City? I mean, I agree. I agree with TJ that anything can happen in this game seven. This is why, you know, if you was in OKC situation, Mean I agree I agree with TJ's there anything can happen in this game seven

This is why you you know if you and if you was an okay season situation You wanted to try and end it last night, but clearly that didn't happen But I mean if you okay see you do feel I mean they got to feel some comfort going back today today Today today home to their home court where they play really well. They bounce back from games. They lose really well They got all those things but to me game sevens man you throw all of the narratives out and that was just it's one game man is who feels good that day who's in a rhythm all of these different things all these different reasons can go into it and you never know what's gonna happen it's all about one single solitary game and so

now it's come down to that and as a fan like like we say in basketball, as a fan, those are the best two words in basketball, game seven. So this is what you want. This is the, you're getting it to take it the distance the furthest it can in this series, and we get to watch as much basketball as possible. Because after this, this is it for a minute. For the draft next week,

we gotta kind of wait for summer league. And you know, that's a bummer for me. Yeah, bummer for you. It's also a bummer for a lot of us. Yeah league and you know, that's that's a bummer for me. Yeah bummer for you It's also a bummer for a lot of us. Yeah, the NHL six games. Okay. Yeah, could have been cool Have another one, but congrats to the Panthers. Yeah Down there in Florida hockey state in this now game seven obviously and Anything can happen. It's one game who shows up that night

What do you think coach Carlisle and Dags are thinking? Is this simplify offense for game seven or is it, are they throwing their best shit here? Is this a chance that there is a masterclass that could be had by one of these coaches that can maybe, you know, win them the game? Or do we just expect them to kind of treat this as if it's any other game? Man, I'm like you did, you never know what tricky Ricky thinking over there, what he gonna do. He's a mad scientist over there.

So I mean, he's got a lot of experience. He's been in a lot of different situations. I feel like Coach Dagnar is a great coach and he's doing a great job too. But I don't know, man. I don't know if these guys stick to the script. I mean, I think for OKC, it's kind of easier to stick to the script because you got your lead man and he's the MVP and he's Always kind of had that that that position with that team so for me

it'll be interesting to see like like you said you guys talked about the others playing well and and TJ McConnell getting instantly in the game and going crazy the way he did will he be able to have that type of impact or will It be a okay see player doing that man. It's gonna be crazy to see all this play out now I wonder what I wonder who Rick Carlisle is gonna you know yeah Because Nemard last night hit some massive shots Yeah, we've seen knee Smith whenever he's been caught upon massive shot Shepherd was knocking down massive shots yesterday It's like everybody, Pascal obviously for the first quarter it's like hey we got a Pascal show where he's going

to deliver. It's like every guy on that team can get it. Miles Turner still. He has yet to play anywhere near his best offensive basketball and it's going to a game seven. So like think about that. If Miles can get hot hot which he certainly can couple just a couple Oh, he only needs to see one go. That's it. He had a foul shot last night early I think my no Tyrese did I think miles did too they had a foul shot go in early and I'm like, here we go Take the bucket on right? Yeah, take the top off this entire thing miles just needed to see a couple fall I think and then we'll see how it goes now There are a couple stats that are telling a story go ahead tone Yeah, cute last night

Pacers only turned the ball over 11 times. I think it was 20 Seven shot moose choked on a jelly bean. That's on me 11 turnovers for the Pacers last night 23 for ok see the team that has turned over the ball less Has won five of the six games, only game one was different. And that was the Pacers comeback. So like, when it comes to turnovers, like in the NFL, there's quarterbacks that just throw interceptions. That's what they do.

In the NBA, is it like teams, teams are gonna, like there's teams that are just gonna commit turnovers or is it like a mindset going into game seven? Like, hey, we need to protect the ball or what it's a mindset going into game seven. Yeah, talk to us football differences on this. No, I think, I mean, obviously, after you have a game where you have a high turnover game, that's something that you focus in on when you're talking game

plan, when you're in walkthroughs and different things like that. So I think they'll be more focused on taking care of the ball, because I did feel like they were very loose with the ball yesterday, and that turned into avalanche of problems for them But yeah, I mean back and forth each team I mean I felt like the Indiana's defensive pressure and the way they were all over the place They they they created those turnovers. It's not like I mean I did feel like okay See was lack of days to go on some of the passes

But without those guys being ultra aggressive and being in passing lanes and shooting gaps and doing things like that They still don't get those steals and create those opportunities They create they were first to the floor and a lot of times to get on the ground to get to the ball All the little 50 50 balls indy was getting so they got to change That's what okc has to change and when they get in they build and they got to make sure that they try and get And create those same type of situations for themselves. I love whatever we were Defensively the pacers were locking it down. Yeah, they were trapping a lot. I mean we had we were I mean it was good defense.

They ran a whole highlight during the TV copy I guess of the Pacers D and the Pacers pace. I do believe and it's like every once in a while the Pacers either fall into a good good situation with how the other team's playing or they just decide that they're gonna lock down and they will I Mean like the Pacers everybody's talking about Oklahoma City coming into the series They're the best defense in all of the NBA and everything like that It's like I feel like the Pacers and coach Carlisle have felt challenged in that aspect in this particular series And there's been a couple times where they've ratcheted it up on the defensive side I assume game seven gonna be tight right do we think that's gonna be a little bit tighter than usual?

I wonder what game seven stats say. Is that more of a cagey affair or is that wide open you think? I mean, I think it's wide open. I mean, I expect this game to be a you know, a down-to-the-wire game Hopefully but like I say man, this is anything could happen. You never know it could go either way It could be big it could be a big blowout or it could be a close game I'm hoping it's a down- the wire game and we get a real, you know what I'm saying? A real game seven epic moment at the end from one of the teams.

The Pacers enjoyed a blowout last night. There are some things that come alongside that. Go ahead, Con Man. Yeah, Q Rich, fourth quarter, no starters playing for OKC. I know Hal Burnham playing the fourth. I think Siakam played two, three minutes as well. Does that time at the end of the game matter? Today people are saying Tyreseon has to play the fourth. I think Siakam played, you know, two, three minutes as well. Does that time at the end of the game matter? You know, today people are saying, you know, Tyrese didn't have to play the fourth, so he'll be a little more rested up. Is that real? Same

with OKC. Do players kind of get that almost transition over to, you know, getting ready for game seven or things like that while the game's still going on? Because it feels as though that might not be something, but if they're already on the sideline kind of talking about what went wrong can that actually help a team going into game seven i think it can but i think i think i think more so like like you said the the rest of the and the impact of the rest and the impact that you not being out there for those 12 minutes and and nothing being allowed to happen you can't tweak anything you can't do anything as far as injuring yourself So when they didn't when they off their feet and they just sitting on the on the bench you whether they talking about things for the

Net game or not. I think that's a positive on both sides What a boarder like you say Tyrese didn't plan to for and bunch of the OKC players So I feel like they will have a little more juice from that because they didn't have to be out there for those 12 minutes Exerting energy and fighting either way whether it was a blowout or a close game. So I do agree with that. But as far as like talking game plan, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I saw Shay, you heard him mic'd up him saying like, you know, this is going to be one for every, you know, one game seven for everything, you know, trying to mentally

move past that game. So maybe that could help and be positive for them But like I say everything comes down to Sunday man. Yeah, who shows up? You know that's it who shows up who decides that it's gonna be their night I think I was going through the scores of the previous game sevens here 2016 93 89 2013 95 88 Lakers 83 Celtics 79, you know, 81, 74. They all seem to be relatively close games, also low scoring games.

Then we get into the hundreds there back in the 80s in this entire thing. So it does feel as if maybe a cagey affair, maybe because game seven, everybody's a little bit tight. In football games, you get like that, where it's like, we're not gonna make a mistake. So everybody's kind of just a little bit tighter and the defense is easier, I think, effort-wise than maybe be offense if everybody's a little bit nervous. Let them settle in

We'll see but last night beginning of the game. It felt like that was uh That was being officiated in a way like hey physicality is allowed here. Go ahead Ty. Yeah speaking of that Keir rich Do you think game seven will be officiated like last night because to Pat's point like they were letting them play and you know a lot of bodies on the floor a lot of very physical defense do you think it'll be officiated like last night and if it is who do you think it favors I think that I think the players set that set that tempo I mean if you come out of you playing so physical to the point to where they can't call everything then that means that the players have set the tone that it's going to be a very physical game because the refs are never going to call every single call every single time. So it's like if they come out and they get into the money and they plan and bump in and get into the physicality of it, that means that they, them as the players have set that tone and I think whichever team is Being the most the more physical and putting imposing their wheel on that part. I think that'll favor that team

I mean whichever team it is, you know that could that could go either way. I felt like last night did Indy was the more physical team the whole throughout the game. I mean early to 10 to 2 start I felt like Aaron the NIMH heart was huge for y'all cuz I mean it was it was a silence it was it was 10 to 2 and it was no answers from nobody and he hit a couple threes here and there and got a couple buckets that kept it from going to like 14 16 like four or something and maybe going the other way and then y'all got y'all got a handle of it so I think he was huge that three right there to step back was big he made a couple early buckets there was like they were big buckets to keep y'all right there.

And then y'all took over after that. Yeah, it was not pretty early. You know, it was reminiscent of game five, where early we were just completely flustered and nothing was falling. You know, it was like nothing was even having a chance of falling. We shot a, we hit the back of the backboard

on one of the shots where we were sitting is like right on the baseline like kind of up a little bit so we could basically tell if everybody's shots going in. It's actually a great location where it's at. As soon as it leaves the hand you can tell like oh that looks like it's going to be short because you can literally it's it's a perfect view it's like a video game type view of this entire thing and we see this shot and it's just that, that's veering towards the crowd behind. I'm like, did that thing get blocked? It's like, no, we're just completely out of sorts right now.

And then for our ability to be able to settle back in, it's like the mental toughness of these two teams has been on display throughout, cannot wait for Sunday. You go into that game, Q Rich? No, no sir, I will not be a team. I'm not, you know, I'm not in the arena and being on the sidelines and all that. I'm going to watch from here. Yeah. We'll see if I'm doing the same, you know, not from there, but maybe from here.

A lot of people tell me I need to go, need to go, need to go. Hey, show up, pull up, Pete. Pull up. Pull up with the brain and energy. Bring you and the boyfriend energy. Yeah, the ticket prices of these things. I don't know if the grandstand of me being an asshole in the other arena is also worth the price of everything else that goes alongside it. I'm assuming they're dead near sold out. Couldn't find them on the secondary market.

Couldn't find any on the court side. So on the secondary market. Definitely looked at it. Now, Big Perk has said, you got it. You know, he on the court side on the secondary market. Look, definitely looked at. Now Big Perk has said you got it, you know, telling me I got to come and he said he's gonna connect me with the people over there or whatever and it's like it would be cool to experience a game over there. See also, could also not. True. You know, see the game there. Could do it from house. You got a good setup of your house, I bet. There's a good TV setup right there.

Probably a nice couch. And then whenever the boys get home, you know, at the FBO. You're there. We're there. Yeah, we're there. Every person in here is there. Absolutely. I will do that for sure.

The Pacers. We got to work on that. We had a conversation about this. The Pacers do need to send one man to sit coincide His name is Larry Burt. Oh, that's not Larry should be there for Indiana. That's just my thoughts on it I think Larry brings good vibes. I don't know if I know you're gonna say Hans bingo Hans was there last night same kind of juice. Yeah Appreciate Hans representing yet again last night.

He was on a couple different videos. I think he maybe was even on local news. Yeah, I mean, Hans, absolutely crushing it. Welcome to Indy. We're happy you're here. It was a hell of a night. We appreciate you, Q. Rich. You're the man. Yes, sir. Anytime, fellas. Ladies and gentlemen, Quentin Richardson.

Yeah, Q. Rich. I don't know. You know. What do you mean? Just cut a check for 1.5 million dollars? You know I know all the seats are gone, but they'll they'll pop a folding chair down for you It's a C's pretty maybe the drinks are very thunder will cover it. They'll cover the plane and yeah, I don't know the I don't think they will do that I will be trying to but I'm gonna be a reasonable I'm gonna be a reasonable human.. I'm gonna be a reasonable human being.

They should stick chestnuts right next to OKC's bench and have him just eat dogs. Yeah just crushing dogs and farting on the bench. Just the whole time. The whole entire night. I need 45 more. That would actually help. He should do that. Yeah maybe right underneath the hoop.

Or right behind Coach Dags. Coach Dags is trying to focus, make adjustments, and all he sees is chestnuts eating 80 dogs. Right across from their bench. And then he makes himself throw up all over them. Whoa, I don't think he does any of that. All over his back when the clock's winding down to zero as the Pacers are about to win, Dags just gets puked on.

It was electric last night. We had one too, by the way. We were thinking about having one and we, we said, you know what, we should. And then we actually did. When presented with the chance, you kind of have to have one. And you actually had one.

Yeah, I had one. I said, I was going to have one. I'm not going to be having one. I'm going to have one. And that's what I did. And then I went home and I was obviously when I got home, I had one during the game, but you know, hey, you got to be having one. I'm gonna have one. And that's what I did. And then I went home and I obviously when I got home, I had one during the game, but you know, hey, you gotta be responsible sometimes.

Speaking of having one, baseball is having one right now. We got fights. Yeah. We got real drama with big names in baseball. Now, college world series this weekend, Coast Carolina LSU best of three series. Good luck. Good luck. Good luck boys you got

a lot of pros future pros playing in this college world series and the Coastal Carolina story is obviously the story of the tournament thus far LSU obviously powerhouse always will be always has been Coastal Carolina has won a world series in the past it'll be a best of three this weekend in Omaha good luck to all the boys over there thank you for what you've done with your medal bats. Your pings have sent us into true moments of joy as sports fans. Engage Wood, thank you for doing what you're doing. That kept like competitive spirit alive for all of us. But in the majors, there's some big names getting into some big shit, Ty. Can you talk about baseball etiquette a little bit, please? Yeah, sure. So this is basically right

now the Dodgers and the Padres who they play in the same division So they play each other, you know 30 plus times a year. They see each other a lot They've seen each other in the playoffs before It's kind of been like a growing rivalry one of those things where the Padres for the longest time were not good The Dodgers were so it's kind of a little brother big brother kind of thing but then the Padres started spending a bunch of money and kind of not exactly doing what the Dodgers are doing but they're trying to get on the same level they have a bunch of superstars they so to kind of take everybody into what's happening here

over the last 10 days friend Fernando Ortiz jr. who is arguably the star of the Padres has been hit three times by the Dodgers. 10 days. Yeah, in 10 days. First one right there, a little innocuous. It's in the first inning. You're probably not intentionally throwing at a guy in the first inning. So that is probably one that just got away. Let's go to June 17th here. Okay. And this is in the third inning. Tatees, that's a little higher. That's a little higher. That's a little up near the head, which, you know, again, maybe he's trying to get him off the plate perhaps, but that you could argue is, you know, Lou Trevino is throwing at Tatis to try to get him off the plate, but still, you know, it happens. Well, the Padres basically say, okay, you're gonna take one at our guy,

we're gonna take one at your guy. Shohei comes in and boom, he's trying to hit him right in the kneecap. So that, you know, I mean, that's a meaty part of the leg so you know I mean it hurts but you know he Shohei's gonna recover from that one he's gonna limp a little bit he's not playing in the field he wasn't pitching that night so you know you go ice that thing up in the dugout no big deal well then let's fast forward to last night and this is in the top of the ninth that one gets to T's right on the hand and after the game He had to you can see Mike Schilt is pissed. He's had it is three times in ten days

We're paying this guy 300 million dollars and you guys are trying to kill him. Okay enough as bullshit Right after he gets hit the benches bench is clear and we actually have a video. This is pretty sweet So this is right when he hits this is the bullpen you see these guys just right away, okay, uh-uh, nope, and they storm out the entire bullpen. So that's sweet and that's how you know, I mean this is real deal Holyfield, like this is actually a thing now. Again, Tatisse has to get an MRI, they're hoping that he doesn't have like a broken hand or something like that, because you see see that a lot guys taking inside fastball when

they're gripping the bat and they might break a couple fingers and be out a little bit very important in baseball having the use of your fingers obviously inside a glove and on a bat so the following inning Shohei comes up same deal okay you take one of ours we're gonna throw it at Shohei's head and you can see Shohei acts like he got hit by a shotgun there. 100 mile an hour. But the guy's throwing 100 miles an hour, and he's throwing it. And you can see, at this point, the umpires are trying to, hey, we don't need another bench is clearing brawl.

We don't need a bunch. Shohei's pissed, though. He's pissed. Yeah, but Shohei was telling the boys not fight. I think he was saying, because they were going to try to send the medical staff out there to see if he's OK. I think he was saying, no, piss off, I'm good. I'm gonna go take first base and I'll be okay. Because after the bench is cleared, like a

lot of times they're just not gonna let you know, another benches clearing brawl happen in the next half inning. But this has been going on. I mean, the Dodgers and the Padres will play each other probably another, I don't know how many times they've played so far this year, they'll probably play each other another 15 to 20 times this season. This is going to be something to keep an eye on. This is a legit, legit rivalry, bad blood between these two. And anytime you got pitchers throwing a hundred mile an hour fastballs at Shohei Otani's head, at Fernando Tatis Jr's head, who is also a, you know, $ 350 million dollar guy like this is kind of this stuff happens in baseball you kind of likened it off the show you're like

you know I kind of like this it's kind of like fighting in hockey it's very similar it's an unwritten rule like you you come at our guy we're gonna come at your guy they have six games left against each other okay so not that many but still that's you know what he'll get three at bats I mean they could still hit to tease 15 times you times the next six games if they wanted to. I love a little rivalry. I also like when baseball does a little hockey. Sure.

Okay, hockey's a big, oh, is that right sport? And then we're going to get you back. Baseball showing that it is as well to its biggest star. Shohei Ohtani get a hundred mile an hour fastball at his head. I mean, that's an insane situation. And him just eating that. You said, well, he did do an ouchie at his head. I mean that's an insane situation and him just eating that you said well he did do an ouchie ouchie. He did. Which I get it that's that's a hundred

miles an hour that's jeez. That hurts. When did he do that? Go back go back watch it. Hold on what should I be looking for? Can you do that again? Right after he hits he kind of does like and then starts walking really yeah just watch it I will I will watch it see you see how he kind of does the next thing I saw go ah and then do one of these and then jog like this really is just the neck positioning you can see No, I know I know I get it I'm saying rightfully so I mean that would kill me He's a big son of a bitch. You're a dog. Hey, I like what baseball is doing though for sure I like that if I were the Dodgers to I'd stop throwing it to tees cuz guess what one of these times They're gonna hit show in the head

They're gonna you know, and if it's not him it might be Mookie Betts or it might be Freddie Freeman If I were the Dodgers too, I'd stop throwing it to Teece. Because guess what? One of these times they're going to hit Shohei in the head. They're going to, you know, and if it's not him, it might be Mookie Betts, or it might be Freddie Freeman. You know, like this stuff can get off the tracks pretty quickly. And I think we've kind of reached a fever pitch. All right, shout out to baseball. College World Series this weekend will obviously be following along.

Is Paul Skeen going to pitch this weekend? He pitched yesterday, so probably not. How'd it go? He pitched great. Obviously, the Pirates. Is there any pause? Yeah, this is a problem where's this this is in Detroit where the best team in baseball no one's there Oh, it was a double header though. Scoob all was the first game. So I assume they said hey We're gonna go to school ball best pitcher in the league. We'll go to that game. We're not going to skeins game

She's screwball obviously Needle I get scuba Postings deserves more there was a lot of weather days yesterday or weather delays yesterday between those two games I get Detroit. What are they the best human baseball? Yeah. Well if they want to fill it up Take notes know someone in the head and get people in those things Paul would do that for his teammate Oh, yeah feels like that for his teammate. Oh yeah. Feels like that is a natural thing happening in baseball. Okay, let's move along.

Shout out to baseball and I like what San Diego and LA are doing. Yeah. Good for baseball. Joining us now ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's great for football. Is he about to become great for goth? Ooh.

I think so. Ladies and gentlemen, fairway side reporter for the Travelers yesterday and senior NFL insider at ESPN, Adam Schefter. Hey, Schefter! How you doing, man? Hello, gentlemen. Did you see our report on baseball there about Shohei Otani eating a 100 mile an hour fastball to the shoulder? Don't you like that about, I like that about baseball that you're allowed to do that.

Baseball is becoming a little bit like hockey, right? Bingo! Okay, big sports guy. Let's talk about all the sports that you cover now. Golf yesterday Rory has his best day he's had in a long time with you following him along. How was yesterday and what was your experience as a golf reporter for the first time? Honestly one of the thrills of a lifetime it was incredible to be alongside Mark Dameron right there he was kind of telling me where I I couldn't walk. My great fear was that I would walk into somebody's backswing, be in the fairway and get drilled in the side of the head with some four iron. You don't know what's going to happen. So I'm like, Mark, where are we going? Just follow

me. Okay, great. So I'm following Mark Dameron along all day long. We're out there with Keegan Bradley. We're with Rory McIlroy and Pat. I don't think it's a coincidence that both men both shot six under and finished in the top three golfers that day. Like, I don't know, is it me following them or is it them just being on their own? I don't really know, but it was a great day with them. Oh yeah. It sounds like you're certainly leading to one, one reasoning. It sounds like. Yup.

Yup. Yup. Yup. I'm sure the fact that I was out there had everything to do with the fact that Rory and Keegan Bradley both shot six under, but I will say that honestly, both guys were tremendous after the round. I got a chance to spend time with both. They were gracious.

They were great to watch. They were great to follow. I thanked them for allowing me to trail in the footsteps of their greatness. And it was a memorable day. Anytime you step out of your comfort zone, like right there, that ball went into the sewer grate. We're trying to describe what's going to happen. There were so many things about the day that I'll remember, but I remember

doing the NBA sideline reporting five, six, seven years ago, pre pandemic, and it was tremendous being around those people. And this was the same kind of experience and I love doing it. You mentioned how much you watch golf, how much you bet on golf. You're in like a couple different golf pools. It's like you're an actual golf. Now, are you a good golf player? Like, were you trying to watch them and compare them to your golf game or were you just talking about what you were observing in front of you? We didn't get a chance to watch your entire coverage yet. We have it bookmarked for this

weekend. We'll go back to Thursday's round on Sunday. Then we'll get into Sunday's round and see how Scotty and Rory and Keegan are doing on that day. Yeah, no, Pat, I am not a good golfer. Not only I'm not a good golfer, I suck at golf. And there was no part of my game that would resemble their game at all. OK, but I do watch a lot of golfing. Yes, I'm in a fantasy league. And yes, I'm in this pool with my college buddies where we pick one golfer each week. So like from that perspective, I watch so much of it.

And I just find it to be captivating, mesmerizing, to watch these guys, how good they are at what they do. They hit shots like that, that are just incredible, where I would be buried. It would take me five shots to get out of there. They're right up on the green. Like, and I teased Mark Dameron yesterday. I heard a couple of times,

I watch a ton of PGA Tour Live all the time. And these guys are saying, I don't ton of PGA Tour live all the time. And these guys are saying, I don't know how they're going to get it on. This is a terrible lie. They're 180 out. Like, this is not the position you want to be. And all of a sudden, you know, the guy's six feet from birdie. And Mark said it yesterday, like, Mark, that's Rory McIlroy.

I don't care that he's got a side hill lie in the rough. He's going to be on the green. And he was on the green. You're saying seeing some of the shots that don't make any sense up close and personal is really the game changer for you. Got it. These golfers are great. I suck at golf as well. And I'm always mesmerized by those who are great at golf. I also think golf coverage, they figured it out.

That's why our big question with live golf is like, Hey, I don't think you need to reinvent the wheel here like golf coverage is good And like the person walking with the groups great. Yes great addition easy drop-ins to everything feels smooth Obviously they have the good shots docked you can hear them. It's like golf coverage is wonderful I think it's why it's great background TV for everybody throughout the weekends weekends especially if Scheffler's T1 without a doubt going into the weekend it's like hey there's gonna be some magical moments and Rory's in the dancing again after something and now is it because of what were they calling you out there yesterday Adam Schefter what are they calling you?

Yeah by the end of that some people call me Adam Scheffler you. Yeah, yeah. We got Schaeffler, Schaeffler, Schoffley, we had a lot of stuff going on, right? So. A lot of Schiff's going on, yeah. Okay, let's talk a little bit football, shall we? Over the next few weeks. Let's drum it up, Pat. Let's drum it up, right? Thank you.

Yeah. Drum it up. Yes, let's do that. We had a good conversation earlier today, Schaeffler and us, about what day to day looks Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. and what other insiders signed for as well. You guys are the news generators, the news creators.

One tweet from your particular account rattles not only a sports fan base or fan bases, but an entire sports ecosphere basically. Everything that could happen inside of it. So is there anything over the next few weeks that are brewing like that you know of that you can foresee? Is there any outstanding storylines other than Shamar Stewart and Trey Hendrickson in Cincinnati?

Other than, you know, is TJ Watt going to get signed? Is that basically the big ones that we're waiting on? And I guess Micah Parsons as well? Is there anything else that's kind of lingering through that maybe we haven't seen or heard of? You know, first of all, let's go back to Wednesday a second because we bring up Jair Alexander. And as I'm on the phone, I misread the text. I got a text, Jair is here in the building right now in Baltimore. So as I'm on the phone with you at 1236, I get a text that Jair is in the building right

now. So I misread it because there was a text with an emoji prior to that. So there's always something going on in the NFL. That's the point, right? There's always something going on in the NFL. That's the point, right? There's always something going on. So I would say this, that the Dolphins continue to have conversations about trading Jaylen Ramsey. And I think that trade there will get done. The question is, when does it get done? Does it get done next week, the week after, prior to the start of training camp? I don't know

exactly when it's going to be, but Jaylen Ramsey will get traded. It'll be, I would expect, before the start of training camp. We'll see how it shakes out, where he goes. I think he would like to go to the West Coast, to Los Angeles, Rams, Chargers, somewhere like that. And we'll see how that happens. Now we're waiting on these contractual situations. We have a number of unresolved matters that I would expect that there would be some resolution with a lot of them.

Trey Hendrickson, yes, he and the Bengals are talking. They're talking, but they haven't made a whole lot of progress so far. Now, that could change with one phone call and things could get heated up very quickly, but there hasn't been a lot of progress so far. They're stuck on the length of the deal Bengals want fewer years Hendrickson would like more years and I think before you can figure out a value You've got to figure out the length of the deal may haven't even been able to to do that right now This deal isn't TGY would expect them to figure out something

He's the heart and soul of that team just like Trey Hendrickson is for Cincinnati. Got to get a deal done for him. Micah Parsons is going to become the highest paid defensive player in NFL history at some point this summer. But here's the whole thing, Pat. Honestly, these front offices, these coaching staffs, they go so hard all during the year. Most of them have finished wrapping up mandatory mini camps. Many of these people are going away. They're taking a break.

They know how intense the next 10 months are going to be. So this is their one chance to get away, which doesn't mean that something can happen in the next month. It always can. But nobody's in a rush to make anything happen till they get to, say, the week before training camp. Again, I would imagine some things will trickle in here and there. Couldn't predict what they will be,

but there'll be some things that happen here between now and the start of training camp. But I think people in the NFL, they're trying to make the most of their quiet time at this time of year. I will say this. Keegan Bradley, yesterday, before the start of the round said, hey, if there's any Patriots loose, please let me know during the round. I said, we'll see if we can make something happen. So I would have interrupted a fight

If there was significant enough patriot news yesterday, I would have interrupted keegan and I don't know that he would have minded dropping a shot If the patriots would have required the right guy Imagine keegan lining up We're about 210 yards out here on uh the third if the Patriots would have acquired the right guy. Imagine Keegan lining up. We're about 210 yards out here on the third. He's lined up as Sheffer. Keegan! Run. You off microphone.

Yellow polo, doing the entire thing. Okay, so you could have broken the Jaiar Alexander story on our program. That would have been cool. Especially because I'm a big fan we are of Jaiar Alexander. Those emojis and like the previews, and I don't like the AI email preview. You need to get out of my face.

I don't need that. Just let me see the first line. Yeah. Let me just see the first line there. I like to see it like factual, right? Like I'm on the phone with you. I can't have a conversation. So I get an emoji and I get,

he's in the building now. And I'm like, okay, well, okay, he's in the building. So the deal's getting, I'm on the phone, so I can't really follow up. And the emoji, I wasn't smart enough to figure out what the emoji meant. Yeah, hey, sometimes you're gonna miss some every once in a while.

Especially with this modern technology with the way words are being transferred from one side to the other, which is kind of how you basically stated the Bangles and Trey Hendrickson's going. They're talking, but it's like a lot of what we said. What we said. All right see you tomorrow. That's it. All right we're thinking. 15 a year what do you say? We're still one year right? I think that's what you reported.

They're thinking like one year maybe a boost of the contract right? Something like that right now that's on the table that's That's been discussed. Who knows where it will come in. Yeah, but they were thinking about like, hey, we'll just boost this year for you. Then you have a chance to do a thing. That would be a Duke Tobin play. That would be a Cincinnati Bengal play. They wouldn't be the only team in the history

that has done that where somebody feels undervalued. Well, let's do a negotiation gist for this year. We'll get you an extra seven year, 21 million. We'll give you an extra 7 million for 28 million. We'll give you an extra 9 million for 30 million. We'll give you an extra nine million for 30 million for this year and then bang, you're a free agent. And he's like, no, I think I've earned long-term security. We've done this now a couple different years.

You can see how there would be at odds because I think Trey's entire thing is like, you've told me for a year and a half now that this is gonna get kicked down. Now you're trying to literally do it again in this entire thing. Fascinating standoff between those two TJ Watt everybody assumes is gonna get done Jalen Ramsey being back actively talked about I think that's a

nice reminder I don't know if that's more breaking news Jalen Ramsey highly sought after though is there a lot of teams that are looking at because there's definitely interest but again the price tag is something that I think if it weren't there and let's just say we're free agent I think there would be more interest in him than there is now there aren't a lot of teams that are Ready willing and able to foot the bill for what it would take to take on Jalen Ramsey And so that's why there's got to be some Discussion with the Dolphins and what they're willing to take on and what the teams want to pay and how the trade would work out

But I would expect that he gets traded at some point here. All right, we appreciate the hell out of you We know you got a busy afternoon heard he's going to no really what oh Oh, yeah, Connor will be interested in this. I have a Conversation on the main stage at fanatics fest here in a couple hours with with somebody that Keegan Bradley would like Larry guy Fest here in a couple hours with with somebody that Keegan Bradley would like Larry Guy that way Robert Kraft oh you and you and Bob Kraft just having a conversation on the main stage at Fanatics Fest you have prepared questions or we just roll it you have one question to start the conversation or do we got we got them all?

I have a couple of topics in my mind, nothing really prepared and we'll have a conversation and I'll play that conversation and another conversation I'm gonna schedule to have there with Chris Weber, another Michigan man on my podcast next week. Wow, Chef T's cooking. Okay, Chef T.

You're there for- Hey, you know what? Hey, Pat, it's mid to late June. You got to have some fun, right? So you do golf one day. You do Fanatics Fest the next day. And whatever. The next day, we do a little podcast

and do a little news break, do a little gaff. But we never play golf because we suck. And I appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter. He's on a main stage. That's a big one. Bobbo Kraft. So let's go.

I just want to throw this out there. I know Schefter said that Jalen wants to go to the West Coast. But if you read Tea Leaves, like we do, if you pay attention to Instagram, like we do, Jalen has recently followed Deshaun Elliott, DK Metcalf, Joey Porter Jr., Darius Slay. Those are all Pittsburgh Steelers. And he just liked to post on Instagram from the NFL that showed the new additions to the Pittsburgh Steelers this year.

So just something. Oh, so you're saying Shefty thinking that he wants to go back to the West Coast. Might not be 100% accurate information at this exact time. Just say something to watch. You know what they say. West Coast on the East Coast. Bingo. up that 20 million, and he's yours gladly No, I think that's probably a massive part of the negotiate you said gladly I'll take the 20 million because you're paying a quarterback 10 million and fuck it

Jalen Ramsey DK Metcalf Aaron Radges Darius Slay Slay one year made of of our lives. Cam Hayward's still there. TJ Watkins traded. Four quarters for the next 40 years of our lives. So you're gonna pick up 20 million for Jalen Ramsey. That's a good question actually. They just paid Deshaun Elliott. Put the W in Elliott.

Paid him well. Yeah, they did pay him. He's bringing the W. He's well off of you. Yeah, good for him. As you showed, he's certainly earned it in TJ's deal Is you're sitting there and that's gonna be around 40 million a year He doesn't want to take it. He doesn't have to

At a certain point I think what Tony's saying is these players need to be happy with what they're making No, just saying are you are you repeating the ownership from the Cincinnati Bengals at the owners meeting? I'm not an owner So yeah, I can say that. All right. I don't think you need to be talking like that. No, I don't. Hey TJ, I hope you get a chance to see that. I mean, Tony might just know what we know, and that's that Nate Herbig is due for a 15-sack season. Herbig's a dog.

Nick. It's Nick. Shit! Nate's his brother. Who plays guard, who also might switch over to D tackle and get 15 signs Came here to teach him. Yeah, no problem. All right, let's talk a little bit about the NHL Florida Panthers go back to back in Stanley Cups and They certainly are experienced and celebrate And down there in South Florida, there's a lot of opportunities

Obviously we saw the elbow room yesterday morning and they were on golf carts traveling around and they're going to different people's houses. Brad Marchand is actually a Dairy Queen. They're calling him the Dairy King this morning. They're serving the Brad Blizzards which is his Blizzard of choice down there in South Florida. I mean they're getting after and last night they were dining at 11 which I've never been inside of. I do believe we have some people in the building right now that have maybe frequented 11 whenever they head to the 305 area.

Gumpi, what is 11 known for and what was last night like if you were to be there, you think? It's a phenomenal establishment. You get a table there, have a great time time and it is cranked and it never shuts down It's a adult ballet though as well in there is a nightclub with an adult ballet. Okay, so it's a slash Yeah, we're having a good time multi-purpose arena and they were in there last night having a blast and at one point throughout the evening Sam Bennett who is a An absolute dog. There's no other way to put it stats wise leadership wise and an absolute dog. There's no other way to put it.

Stats wise, leadership wise, there's one play from the series where he hits a guy, takes a guy out, then he chases around, comes around the other side. Just everything that is Florida Panther hockey, beast. And he's a free agent. And we were talking to Bill Zito the other day, and Bill Zito was talking about how we are gonna spend

to the cap, ownership wants us to definitely do that, he's fully committed. We love what we have here. Our team is the tightest it's ever been. We hope we're able to keep everybody. Sam Bennett last night at 11 was like, I'm fucking staying. So don't you worry about it.

Now he's a little boozed up. It is at club 11. I don't know how legally binding any of it is, but it sure feels like this entire team is planning on sticking around, staying together. And that's a beautiful thing if you're from South Florida, because this team's a wagon and they're clearly the best team in the league.

And everybody else just kind of looking up at them right now. Yeah, especially when you look around the other teams in the Eastern Conference that are kind of not in shambles, but definitely aren't going to be coming back next year with as much firepower as, you know, the Panthers are, the Maple Leafs, obviously, they're kind of up in arms. The Capitals who had a great regular season didn't play too

well in the playoffs. Who knows with them and then even the Carolina Hurricanes. It feels like the Carolina Hurricanes can do anything they want and they'll still get swept in the Eastern Conference finals. If you're a Panthers fan, you're thinking back to back to back three Pete. They're thinking let's have a good time down here.

Changing what Lord Stanley Cupups trips are normally like. Yeah. If they put the itinerary on, I guess it's live on Sunday. King of diamonds Monday. Swagger just dumb. They're calling it Kelly Bundy. That's what they're saying. Yeah, probably.

About Lord Stanley Cup. That's exactly what they're saying. You think they take tomorrow off? Tomorrow's Saturday, because the parade's Sunday? Off of what? Drinking. No, certainly not. These are hockey boys.

I know. Hockey boys, this is just a part of the culture. I think it's potentially because there's so many Russians involved. Sure. And the Russians, from what I've been told, just vodka is just like a thing. Booze, I think, is just a normal thing, especially for European cultures.

And then the Canadians, obviously, they have one on a regular basis. So I think alcohol culture is a little bit different in hockey, I think you are expected to have one with the lads if you ever do it. So I think they'll probably be having one tomorrow. Barkey's a Finnish lad, I know he fancies the gin a bit. His father's Russian.

I did feel bad for Rhino, because he was hammer still boozed up and he had to go to raising canes He had the hat on the shirt on and they asked if he was like, thank God there was no sobriety test this morning No, yeah When he was talking about just to get to the event not because he was driving no He said he needed me sober here to come to the right. He said well, are you gonna be testing me or? You know, he's supposed to be drunk all day. So I'm ready to say the cup. You all started last night.

Yeah. You want to check your fingers or not? Raise some chains, but good cops down there. They're taking care of those boys. Absolutely. Congrats to the Panthers. We'll be back on the other side. Game seven on Sunday.

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roster showed up and now their record-breaking unfathomable run continues. This baser team's been a lot of fun. They've been doubted. They've been counted out. They've been overlooked. They've been doubted. They've been counting out counted out. They've been overlooked. They've been wished upon To disappear numerous times the NBA actually didn't even put them on prime time television Basically until like Eastern Conference final in this entire thing had to find the ION network whenever they're taking on the Cleveland Cavaliers at The beginning of this throughout the regular season never never saw this team The world didn't but Indiana did and since the All- break, all we thought to ourselves is this team's got it. This team's very good. Tyrese came into full form. He went back to himself after having maybe a little bit of off season that was filled

with a lot of chaos and maybe even a little injury that hindered him a little bit early. And then after the All-Star break, which Pascal Siakam went to the All-Star game and dominated, this team learned how to play again like they were last year but even better. They were experienced after what happened to them last year when they made it to the Eastern Conference Finals in the Boston Celtics swept them. They'd been there, they had done that. They understood the big stage. They knew what was waiting for them every step of the way.

And now for the first time since 2016 they will be playing in an NBA Finals game 7 in the most Oerampus barn in all of sports is what they say. Sunday night is gonna be historic legendary I know both teams are ready for it and I'm excited to watch the Pacers and how they show up for the city yet again. Last night was awesome we were lucky to be there this has been an absolute thrill to watch this team do what they do the talks of tables here at Boston Connor and at Tieshman Sweet shirt. Hey, thank you very much. You know had to do it and this is the best part You know, I mean throw all the talking head bullshit out the window

I mean, it's all coming down to one game, you know, so everyone can pick against the Pacers time and time again Hey, they're not good enough. Okay sees the best team We heard TJ McConnell's dad this game seven anything can happen and that and that's what else did he say? You know, he talked a little bit about how you're not okay. He missed two foul shots. Didn't love that Yeah, he missed two foul shots. I get her act cuz we won a game But my son's going to play for an NBA championship my son. He's gonna be part of it. It was awesome He's very proud. He did awesome as a Thomas. Yeah. I loved this guy growing up. I'm happy there's a Yinser in the NBA final. Yes. Like TJ, we don't, we have a lot of Pittsburgh guys that go and make it to the NBA. Basketball, obviously, we

do not have a professional team, although I think Pittsburgh, good sports time, if the team was to be good. Yeah. If there was an expansion of the NBA and it was placed in Pittsburgh, if the team was good immediately, got it. Team wasn't good for a bit would be very difficult. That'd be very difficult to get in there. We're city champions, okay?

Look around. Look around. Pirates are a laughing stock. Penguins, certainly in the middle of a transition here. Pittsburgh Steelers going all in. But you're not just getting dropped into our silver. But Pittsburgh people being in the NBA finals is a great thing for sports. T.J. McConnell exemplifies bopping wood. I mean, he is like the perfect player to represent Pittsburgh basketball. Technically sad, fundamentally sad, not scared of anything. We'll obviously lock it down.

Do the things that nobody else is willing to do, which is work for the entire game in the entire floor. What's that, Tony? There's just been some great TJ McConnell tweets. So there was one that said he's the first special teamer to play in the NBA. Bingo. There was a lot of them saying like, I tell you what this kind of kills the narrative that the old-school players couldn't play in

today's NBA And then tell you what you know, yeah, you know, he kind of come I think he's a modern-day Bob Cousy if I had to you know what if I had to really put it put it in it as she is no TJ McConnell I mean, hey, look, I love TJ like I love my brother Okay, but if we're talking modern-day koozie, we're talking Wembe in Combined nonetheless TJ McConnell was breaking some records throughout the entirety is 10 5 & 5 He was the first player to do that in a game off the bench He's become the first bench player in the history of the finals. They have 60 points, 25 assists, 15 rebounds.

He is getting TJ Chance every time he walks onto the court. They show him up on the Jumbotron, the whole place obviously erupts. It would be like that in every city, I assume, with TJ McConnell, but it is perfect for the Indiana Pacers to have TJ McConnell. Yeah, and even in Philly, I don't know if it was like that when when he was in Philadelphia with the Sixers, but he has kind of become TJ McConnell, the guy for the Pacers and just for, you know, bench players, people who appreciate dudes coming off the bench and just going bananas, Celtics, Peyton Prichard, kind of

similar. This is also now going to be the second year in a row where Netflix will have the NBA champion on their starting five last year they had Tatum this year they're going behind the scenes with Tyrese and SGA throughout the entire season. So like you're talking about that is probably what every single documentary in the history of sports has been looking for. We saw it with quarterback and Peyton Manning doing it, following Mahomes. They wanted to do Jalen Hurts,

but Jalen Hurts kind of said no. When it was the first round of the Eagles Chiefs Super Bowl, now having two of the five players that they're following for the entire 2024, 2025 season, being Ty Reese and SGA. One guy wins the MVP. Maybe, hopefully, the other guy wins the NBA finals. I mean that is perfect.

I think people are going to fall in love with Tyrese. I assume with SGA as well because of everything that we've heard about him as a teammate and how he operates, people are going to fall in love with Tyrese. If you get to know, Tyrese is a good dude. Yeah, he's a man. It feels like they did even with the Olympics. Like when it wasn't because he was playing and going off, it was because like he was the ultimate team guy on the bench.

And then the tweets, of course, after when you do nothing, but still get an A on the group project. That was kind of the beginning. And now here we are where it's like, yeah, this guy is the dude. Yeah, life is wrestling for Tyrese. You understand his role, got to do what he got to do. All right, I'm not playing on his team. I mean, I'm certainly lucky to be here, though.

Let's not get crazy right there. I'm going to have a good time. Yeah, we are at the Olympics. Got the emoji next to my name on X. Yeah, I'm certainly lucky to be here though. It's not getting crazy right now. I'm gonna have a good time. Yeah we were at the Olympics. I just got the emoji next to my name on X. Yeah I'm gonna bring these vibes I guess whatever my role is but like around obviously he's a dog and a killer on the court. Like that has been proven time and time again clutch shot clutch shot clutch shot clutch shot gritting through whatever he's got going on excited to hear what it is one of the series has done like that they're doing like an NHL approach to this whole thing, by the way. You'll find out what everybody's got after this thing. We're all battling through it.

I love that, because that's not really the NBA's kind of narrative. You know, they're all playing through shit, but they are, the entire team, the entire series has been. I love that. And Tyrus is funny too, like actually, like shit talker, normal human, from Wisconsin, you know, obviously went to Iowa State, which he themes the best school in Iowa.

And that's one of the few things that Tyrese is wrong about, but I love the guy. So I can, I'm willing to look past that. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, from Anadik in Ohio, he's a college football national champion, a Superbowl champion, the all time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, ladies and gentlemen, AJ Haw. Yeah, Hawker!

How you doing, Hawker? Yeah, I'd say that was the definition of like a team hard-fought victory, wouldn't you say last night? Yeah, I'd say good basketball, team buckled down, started terribly. Eight people score over 200 points in a single postseason, that becomes a record. There's, they were underdogs 10 wins or something like that. If they were to win obviously the finals they would have the most underdog wins in a postseason run since the Miami Heat I believe I think was the team. Yeah when they were the eighth seed and they went all the way to the finals. Yeah so it's like they've been this team is literally and we don't

have to do Bucs yes they're gonna win Cavs number one overall seed knees. Yep, they're gonna win everybody literally everybody had a microphone And then you roll into that Nick series everybody wants the next to win So literally everybody picks the next and then in this one everybody's picked Oklahoma City It has literally been every single series this Pacers team supposed to lose by everybody that knows ball You know everybody talks about ball is like this Pacers team can't do it, this Pacers team can't do it. And then all of a sudden they show up and they went they're up by 30 some in game six of the NBA finals and it's like, will there ever be a conversation about how great this Pacers team is? Not that the Oklahoma City team isn't, but I'm saying this

Pacers team as a team you're talking, they are a great basketball team and I think they're proving a lot of things in 2025 for the NBA and basketball as a whole AJ. I mean they continue to I guess defy the odds of what people think of them especially they're a seven and a half point dog on the road in game seven. I'm sure like Rick Carlisle has to love this like he has to love the narrative that no matter what we do no matter how many games we win people are always gonna going to doubt us. And that's as a coach, like a team can absolutely rally around that. I feel like these guys, like they own that. That's, that's their identity. Like, hey, okay, cool. We're going to prove everybody wrong. Tyrese Halliburton loves it. You know, hates that

everybody talks shit, loves that everybody talks shit. You know, it's kind of one of those. We were pulling up the scores of the the game sevens 2016 2013 2010 I think there is one I was trying to figure out from memory because I just saw it on my screen It was up there seven and a half feels like more than any of those scores were game seven. They were all pretty tight They're all within like four or six. Yeah I think seven and a half feels like a big game seven spread like that legitimately feels like it for a couple games There though the sportsbooks were right on. I mean they knew exactly what was happening last night. They're obviously wrong I do wonder how people will tend to bet in this particular game seven because in my eyes game seven tight little bit of a

KG affair. Yeah, AJ. That's how I kind of view it. Don't you think the same thing? Oh for sure I mean this game last night was an elimination game for the Pacers but not for Oklahoma City like Oklahoma City No, they have a little bit of a buffer and we can possibly go home and win this thing at home Pacers Yeah, they knew backs against the wall like hey every shot. I miss is one step closer to us going home for the year Yeah, but even for the that mentality now to like for OKC all the pressures on them And I'm it has been the whole series. They're the favorites, you know, one of the best seasons ever all that stuff But now for for them it's hey we had a 3-2 lead So if we if we're going into game 7, hey, we can't be the team that blew a 3-2 lead

We've dominated this postseason run. This is also now gonna play into the the whole hey We haven't lost a back-to-back since last year. Like everything is kind of in our favor, so to say you could. But the seven and a half, I mean, it feels as though if they made it any smaller, even if the odds makers would want it to be smaller, they know all the money would come in on OKC and I bet it's still going to.

The stats say if you're trailing three to two and then you win game six, you'll go on and win game 7. You'll go on and win game 7. You know Cavs, Heat, Lakers, obviously you see the graphic there. Good luck to the Indiana Pacers trying to do that. First back to back losses for the Oklahoma City Thunder since 2024 is what it would take. In a building that is going to be vibrant and alive. I think the Pacers might be the team to be able to do it. They thrive in that type of setting, but this Oklahoma City team is a real deal. Let's go through some of the scores here

of the NBA game sevens there. 93-89, what's that? 4. 95-88, that's 7. 83- That's for 81 74. That's 7 9084 is 6 108 to 105 3 111 102. There's nine pointer in 1984 105 99 that's 6 in 1978. So seven and a half would be the biggest you know, yeah Yeah, since 1984 I mean and the Pacers would be the biggest red Larry Bird in 1984. I can't believe it scored 111 points in 1984 That's Larry legend, baby That's Larry Bird does it's why he doesn't get enough respect and that's exactly why I think he needs to be there for the Indiana Pace should okay. I Think he's I think he's been around from what I've been told for some of these workouts for the draft You know because one half of the building right now, I guess

80% of the building right now is trying to win a title. Yeah. And then there's 10 to 15, 20% of the building that's like, oh, we got a draft next week, we got a free agency happening. They're really on top of each other. I mean, their seasons are very much on top of each other. Like the NFL, obviously if you go to the Super Bowl February,

everything kind of starts in March, but you still have like a month to do things. Right now this draft is next week. The agency is about to kick off and really get rolling. Trading is supposed to happen before draft like everything's happening and the Pacer and Oklahoma City are all eyes on the finals. That's a weird thing for the NBA. I appreciate them like kind of double stamping when they have all the attention though. Okay, we got the finals and then guess what draft is coming in three days like you can kind of steal some maybe rollover. But for the teams that are in his finals, this

is this is a nightmare. This is a nightmare situation as you look ahead to the future. Didn't we hear it wasn't that last year Bill Zito even told us like their NHL is in somewhat of a similar situation. I don't know when their draft is, but I know they're absolutely working on next year when you normally would have already been out of the playoffs for three, four, five, six weeks by now. It's a good problem to have the Pacers. Great problem traded one, I think either traded for a first round pick or traded a certain

pick while they've been in the finals for next week's draft. So to your point, yeah, the GM has still been making moves and getting different picks for next week. Let's talk about some stories that happen around the sports world outside of the Pacers forcing a game seven on Sunday. In about 25 minutes or so, we'll be talking to Mark Kriegel. Do you know who Mark Kriegel is? Yeah, I definitely recognize his face when I see it. Yeah, he's like one of the most noted boxing writers of all time. Has biographies written on

like so many. I read his pistol Pete book when I looked him up I read his pistol Pete book a while ago. Yeah a lot of books. New York Times best seller like I think he's like a very very focused writer. Has a new book coming out or has already out his newest book Baddest Man the Making of Mike Tyson that was released on June 3rd. Great cover. Great cover and Ty tried to skim through as much as possible because we got sent a version of it. Anytime Mike Tyson's a part of it people are gonna want to read and learn about. This one I think I think you like a lot of research has been done into this. Yeah for sure the kind of the the sheet they sent us said that Kriegel early on

Followed him in his career like when Tyson first came up and he said I probably wrote Like more scathing articles about this guy than anyone else and he said in time just like due to his upbringing and what he had to go through like he felt like he kind of needed to set the The story straight and like what actually makes Mike Tyson tick. And it goes into his upbringing, his relationship with Kaz Yamato, who is, you know, like his his trainer and ended up actually like adopting him. And then there's just a bunch of other like very interesting tidbits that I saw on there. Like they a lot of people say that the rise of HBO is basically solely attributed to Mike Tyson because they didn't really have like serialized series or anything like that, but they got

the boxing rights. And it said that HBO during his prime, during his run was like making, you know, I think they were like the subscriber base was going up like by millions and millions of people every single month because they had all his fights but yeah, it's basically just a complete look at his life and and kind of how he went from like You know being hated by most people, you know for a long time due to different, you know, like Situations situations, I guess a bunch of different situations and how now he's kind of come back on the other side And he's like America's sweetheart and everyone loves him again Yeah him. I wish I would have been more of age whenever it was the whole come on

It was my they said he used to be swinging refrigerators that is like it was before mythbusters or before they had the technology to test Everything they were just saying yeah, you're hardest puncher in the history of punching It's like two refrigerators turn around and he was trying to knock people out on a regular basis. Obviously, we all know Uh the stories but uh, we can't wait to talk to mark kriegel about this particular book I actually got to work with him at nfl am on nfl network back in the day We used to have call times about 3 a.m. 4 a.m. Sure. That was a good time He was always very good to me obviously an incredible author, but also big deal in the boxing world Uh, terence crofford canelo alvarez will have their first press conference for their mega super duper fight that's coming in September

I cannot wait to see what this new TKO and Riyadh season in the ring magazine and Turkey in the Crown Prince. God bless him relationship is gonna look like and the Crown Prince, God bless him, relationship is gonna look like. But I know that if they're gonna be putting on Canelo versus Crawford in stadiums as their first one, and that's the game plan, I think boxing's about to be in a really good spot.

Can't wait to ask Mark if he feels the exact same way. Yeah, and these are the fights that we talk about, for me personally at least, that's more of a casual boxing fan. These are the ones that you do really, really wanna see. It's not Canelo verse some random guy it's two guys that you are very well aware of whether you follow boxing or not you know who Terrence Crawford is you know who Canelo Alvarez is and like if these guys kind of

perform after what happened last time in Times Square like this will be a massive fight this is like a Tyson Fury Wilder kind of type of out billing Turkey came out and said we want guys to fight in here. Yeah, no more this Tom and Jerry BS Yes, we are because they did they invested so much money Yeah in boxing they like you hear all the boxing purist people that we were part of the weekend May 2nd in Madison Square or not Madison Square Garden. I'm sorry in New York Times Square. I sorry about that, in Times Square, they had a boxing event, we were there. The amount of money that's being invested in the boxing right now, to take care of the fighters,

to take care of everybody, and then the fights or the punches were like the least in the history of boxing or something. They're like, nah, this can't be, we cannot ruin this right now. This is a great thing for boxing, let's make sure we're fighting and We're setting the stage for a big one in Allegiant Stadium cannot wait to ask mark his thoughts on it all Wyndham Clark golfer

has apologized for Beating shit out of locker room. Oh, yeah, you should talk tough. I mean, that's like one little kick. That's barely anything What what's couple different lockers here? Oh, yeah, I do there's a couple but I mean you could he could flick those and that little mesh would go in yeah I don't think the Oak one has anything that's a little soft and meshy okay Pittsburgh let's not forget that but he could have certainly been so mad he could have certainly been so mad that he he walked He walked up there and he actually did a boom. Yeah. Oh yeah. Double kick. Yeah. Boom. Double knees, double knees or double kick.

No, no, kicky. Boom. Oh, I see that. Kicky, kicky. You gotta really, he walked in there and he's like, son of a bitch, so bad at goal, I hate your floor. I hope there's footage. Yeah, because it could have been just one bow shot.

Yeah, it was. A lot of people are saying that's too different no not necessarily Maybe taking up maybe taking a yeah, that is kind of like the AJ Hawk mixed martial arts So we know yeah, we know of him, but people are saying he was taking a lot of different hacks Until I'm told otherwise he still could have very he might have even did one like boom Oh, yeah, just one moment of bang, you know So it seems like it might have been a multiple attacks on the Oakmont locker room from Wyndham Clark But that course will make you pissed off, but it could have been just one big act of Frustration. So until we hear anything, otherwise, I think shouldn't just- I think it was probably the one big act.

He had a one big act of frustration a few weeks before that when he, he hooked one off the tee and then just whipped his driver back into the, into the gallery. So Wyndham's had a bit of a hot streak- Into the crowd? Yeah. That's good. Yeah. He strikes me as one of those guys though, you know,

like even after he won his major, just listening to him talk in an interview, like, oh, yeah, this guy's got a dark side. This guy taps in. Big Yeah. Now obviously, hadn't has that unbelievable moment. Oh, we hold it. Unbelievable. He is awesome. Yeah. But the way he gets frustrated. He is pissed every single shot or every day. Like he's he's frustrated. Every shot. He is pissed. Every single shot, every day.

He's so fun to watch. So fun. I agree. For us to watch. But I worry about him when he lays down. It's just him. You know, when it's just... I used to be pretty hard on myself.

Whenever it came to my shit, I would get upset. I mean, there was loud, FOOX! If there was a shank on the field whenever practice in a game certainly madding camp Yeah training camp Chuck we're gonna had to move a drill because there was a bunch of like my make-a-wish but like There was like a make-a-wish operation happening behind us and I was putting backed up out of the end zone And this is one of Chuck's first I think Chuck's first year whatever and this is first period obviously we're doing punt backed up But this sucks.

I hate this. Got a one step and get it quick off. It won't be this fast, but we're making it ridiculously fast because it's training camp. Okay, I got it. All right. There should be a sense of field though, right?

If they're coming here, no, we need this. Okay. So I hit a shitty one. Bad. First punt of the day, bad, not good. You know, we want to see that ball go through the thing, especially with the crowd there. Teammates watching too. Always want to hit day, bad, not good. You know, we want to see that ball go through the thing, especially with the crowd there, teammates watching too. Always want to hit a bomb when teammates are watching.

You know, want everybody to know, hey, the guy that's doing the punting here is a bomber. That's all you just need to know everything. Start a practice, get the box. We get some, yeah, like this is a big deal. Like in my eyes, like let's have a good time. Hit a shank, immediately drop a mother fuck loud, right? And then we walk forward now

we got the next rep or whatever Chuck comes walking over make a wish pitch she's got a no Jen eight-year-old there's an eight-year-old here right behind you sheesh move the drill up this blowsesh. Move the drill up. Blows the whistle. Move the drill up. That's like me and Chuck's first, one of our first interactions. It's awesome.

I laughed so hard after. Just thinking of it like, also Chuck, not my fault. Like, hey, listen. No. I apologize. I'm working. I'm trying to become,

this is how I become. Tyrell Haddon though, like when he lays down That that's still I hope it's not you think he takes it home with him. I don't know he might leave it at the course Yeah, I feel like the guys that let it out in the moment are the ones that do kind of like okay Whatever I can be pissed and continue to golf It's the it's the dudes who go into the clubhouse Wyndham Clark, and I'm sure there's a couple others. One big act of frustration.

Yeah, then they go home, because now they're just thinking about how bad they played. You can tell Wyndham Clark has been thinking about, holy shit, I destroyed Oakmont's clubhouse for a week at the US Open, looking like a fool. Well, that's what I'm like, I think Hatton's funny. Yeah. He's hilarious. I think he's very, very, very funny.

The amount of times people have probably told him, you can't do that. Yeah. He's like, what? Unbelievable. What do you mean it's unbelievable? It's good TV. He is great TV.

He is. I hope he starts winning, you know? Well, we'll never see him. Yeah. What? He's on Liv. Yeah, but- Oh, he is Liv.

But we could get him in majors. Majors? Yeah, true. I would like him to win majors. Cause I would like to Sunday. I would like a Sunday with him. He opens his best chance. In contention. I would like him in contention.

I'm sorry, Mr. Hatton. I know this is not what you would want to do, but boy, it would be great if he just accidentally, you know, we played one. On 18. Oh my God. That would be a speck. That's how Rambo used to be. But he kind of chilled out a bit.

Unbelievable. Well, maybe it's because I haven't seen him. Maybe you just don't see it. Yeah. That being said, new PGA CEO. Drew, let's see. Figure it out. Shake their hands. Let's see how many we will give you guys a couple of scrambles. Yeah. And for those that don't know, he's the one on the left.

Yes. Oh, thank you. On the left there, Tiger Woods is the one on the right. Okay. And the future of golf in my eyes, very, very bright. I think we are very excited about what's to come. And I think what we just said there about people not being able to compete against each other, I'm thinking, And I think what we just said there about people not being able to compete against each other. I'm thinking I'm not have I don't have any inside information if a deal is to be made There will be a this guy good deal maker. So I got faith. All right, let's do something. We don't normally do AJ What would that be? Well, let's take some questions from from the people. Okay this morning about 30 minutes before The show went live. I was going to the bathroom and had a good night last night. It was a great time.

Thank you for that again. That was a good, that was a sweet game. It's been a fun run with this Pacers. Yeah, that's what we were talking, like all the games we got to go to. This has been, it's been long and expensive, but it has been, it has been a very, very fun, enjoyable experience.

I was like, you know what? We need to take some questions from the people. Haven't done it in a long time, but I don't want. I was like, you know what? We need to take some questions from the people. Haven't done it in a long time, but I don't want questions just for me, you know? I don't want that type of situation. So it was just a good question, good program question for the boys. Okay, good program question.

We found a couple, Nick found a couple. Let's roll through those right now. AJ, you will be asked to answer these questions as well. So please pay attention. This one's from Nolan Garman. Nolan Garman loves his dog up here. If the NFL ever expands, our NHL ever expands more, would Indy be a viable expansion spot?

Seems like the Pacers crowd was given hockey playoff vibes through TV. Hashtag good program question. I like how loud you thought we were. I like how excited you thought we were. I like how excited you thought we were like the NHL playoffs atmospheres are. I think Indianapolis would be a great hockey home. I've actually said that to people that need to hear it. I've said that to people that are in that world, in that sphere. There used to be a hockey team that played here.

I believe it was called. The Racers? Maybe. The Indianapolis Races? The Indianapolis Ice were also here. The Indianapolis Ice was the team. So I guess the Indianapolis Ice used to play here downtown and they were like a semi-pro team. They had a goon and everything.

And my wife talks about as a child, coming downtown Indianapolis to watch Indianapolis Ice. And when the goon would come on, they made like a big thing, he was fighting. I mean, it was a whole thing. Well, by the time I got to Indianapolis to watch Indianapolis ice. And when Nagoon would come on, they made like a big thing, he was fighting. I mean, it was a whole thing. Well, by the time I got to Indianapolis, they were no longer like a semi-pro team. They were like a high school junior B team.

I watched three periods of this hockey. I'm from Pittsburgh. There was not a single fight or a single goal scored. So I had never seen worse hockey in my entire life. Like even high school hockey has at least one of those. Yeah, one kid's real good. Or at least a kid that are so bad. Yeah. They're just there to fight. Like it was just, it was bad hockey. People were still there. It was like 10, 15,000 people in the arena watching this.

The Indy Fuel are currently a hockey team up here in Fishers. They sell out. They fill up. They're, I believe the Chicago Blackhawks or the LA Chicago Blackhawks I believe affiliate team they sell out here in the Fishers area so yes I think Indianapolis would be a great NHL city if there would ever expand and we would certainly love to help out with that happening that would be great. Sidney Crosby over here sure. McDavid. McConnor McDavid saying he's doing best for his family. Family's love be great. Cindy Crosby over here. Sure. G. David. Mc. Dave. Connor Mc. David saying he's

doing best for his family. Family's love in. More than bringing in more. Shan bringing in more Shan for sure. Cause you know, Rob's how are you going to be able to pay everybody? I don't know how you can be able to

pay everybody. Well, actually, you know, we'll take a lot of Dallas to say they don't want to. He's locked in. We fired our coach. Yeah, it's actually a good point. Otter. Otteritors lost in the past.

Why don't we go after someone like Bob to what AJ is saying. Bobrovsky? Yeah, we should. All right, we'll take Bobrovsky, too. What we're saying is, in the expansion draft, we will certainly be aggressive if they're to get a team here, and we would like to win immediately. Yeah, no doubt. Without a doubt.

But yes, this would be a good city for the NHL. Let's go to the next question, shall we? Good program question from CJ Stroud, enjoyer Sean Baum, real life. If when TJ McConnell wins the finals MVP trophy, could we maybe start thinking about having one? Yeah, I think we should think about having one. What were the odds on TJ McConnell winning the MVP trophy?

And also what were the odds on Tyrese? There's a couple good odds on these MVPs. So you're gonna have to shop around for TJ. Not every book has TJ odds I did shop around I did put in a TJ ticket this morning for plus 11,000 Which would mean what I put in 25 to win? $2,775 if you put in all that's tasty if you put in a hundred you win eleven thousand So, you know, that's that's not bad Tyrese is plus fifty or eleven hundred. Sorry right right now, which is I Think that's worth a tasty little treat. Don't you think like I mean if they win game seven

I mean poss say outcomes been great, but he had sixteen last night Let's say he has sixteen again and Tyrese has, I don't know, 30 in a game, seven to win. Plus 1100 is it 100 to win $1100 is a tasty little more so I believe. Yeah, especially with the moments Tyrese has. Like he had one game where he damn near had a triple double. It was like 21, 9, and 13 or something. And then he has the buzzer beater from game one.

Like let's say Tyrese does go out there and have a 30 point game or you know, hopefully another buzzer beater to win it. Like then all of a sudden we're talking about yeah, Tyrese for sure. And with that being said, Pascal Siakam could once again. Yeah, sure. He could take it. Watching him play. I mean that steal to the pat, to the push, to the no look pass,

to him going on that guy's head. It's like, this Pacers team is awesome. They have so many great players, so much death. Prichard, the president of basketball operations, and I don't know who all was a part of his staff, I guess I should learn more names in that department. It's like, the team they've put together, the way they play, the way they've bought in,

the way they've managed egos and salaries and talent. It's like unbelievable. Unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Pascal traded from the Toronto Raptors. Thank God for that. Thank God for that. And obviously Tyrese traded. Thank God for that. TJ McConnell kicked out of town. Thank God. It's like our guys Nemhardt, Neesmith, like literally you start rattling off. Miles Turner was just kind of in transition era in the Pacers this entire time for 11 years now.

He has yet defensive side, he's locked down. Locking down. On the offensive side though, he is not, he's not getting a bounce. He's not, he's getting very unlucky. It's like if he was to spring a couple, all of a sudden we're rolling. Yeah, I think so.

I like the Pacers on Sunday. Oh yeah, for sure. For sure. What about Obie Toppin MVP? Is there a line on that? No. He had 20 last night obviously. Yeah. Obie Toppin chants are awesome. He was just knocking down threes last night, no problem. Right away. No questions asked. As soon as he gets on the court, he's like four seconds on the court right there., he was just sitting on a sideline high-fiving the Security lady like thanking her given and then he's taking a bottle that he's high-fiving people in the stands Then he gets on the court four seconds later is game six elimination game pop it no problem It's like I'll be topping is a problem the tough contested rebounds that he gets to like he'll go up and just one hour I mean his paws must be so bad.

I mean they have to be but like that that is one thing you notice too. It's like a lot of the early on it felt like Oklahoma City was getting a bunch of offensive rebounds and he has he comes in and it's just like He's just he's just been rock solid. I cannot believe that the Knicks got rid of him and he just winded up being a pacer Diggs has looked up OB Toppins MVP. Yeah I found him he's plus 22,000 so TJ was plus 11,000 OB plus 22,000. That's the team though eight players over 200 points it's like there's a lot of different stories that you could kind of go with here. Nam Hardz had some big minutes I don't think anybody's talking about him. Give it to the whole squad. We did it the first time ever. give it to the whole squad. We couldn't single one guy out

Here we go And is it the same people voting that voted for like the eastern conference finals? I'm pretty sure to say maybe a couple more it might be 11 people instead of nine because once we saw that list We're like the this is Who is in real time? I think reggie was calling the game reggie miller's calling the game And then he has to cast the vote. It's like Reggie's probably vastly different than I am as a human, but when I'm on it's like I'm just rolling, rolling. I'm not like thinking like, Hey, who's, I'm not breaking down all this stuff. And then those votes have to happen in a two minute period. Yeah,

exactly. Yeah. Instantaneously. And that was crazy. That's a crazy situation. That was a five, four vote too. So I'm trying to, split down the middle. That is why the Pacers are so fun to watch though. Like last night, it's 10-2 OKC. Like I assume if you're a Thunder fan, you're just looking at SGA like, hey, let's see early on if SGA is going to be good. When the Pacers are down 10-2 and there's not like a standout player, like because you know what you're going to get from get from Tyrese when you know he's a little banged up there's never any doubt like that they can come back just because everybody can score 20 points at any point in the game yeah i uh i've enjoyed this basketball run with the Pacers six guys in double figures last night and Carlisle you might as well draw him down for a 30-10 last time. Yeah, exactly. He looked great. Maybe 30-10 and 10.

Yeah, maybe 30-20 and 10. Yeah. Maybe something like that for Coach Carlisle. And T.J. McConnell's dad. I love every T.J. McConnell's dad had a big night. We had no idea. T.J. McConnell's dad and Halliburton's dad. Oh, man.

Those guys need to just go do life. Yeah. Need to just ship them places and just say, hey. Amazing race. Bingo. Them taking on Tauke and Mitt. Yep. Sure. You know, traveling and the just say hey. Amazing Race. Bingo. Them taking on Talk and Mitt. Yep. You know, traveling and the mate, yeah.

Tough competition. They could do anything. We got a little bit deeper into the reality conversation for Mitt. We're not 100% sure which one's perfect for him at this exact stage. Amazing Race would be great for Talk and Mitt, but does anybody watch Amazing Race anymore?

I don't know, does it exist? I don't even know if it's still a thing. I used to love that show. Great show. I couldn't imagine the logistics of setting up. I think any of them. Yeah, but does Amazing Race exist? That's what I'm sure.

Oh, no, for sure. Any of them that exist, even like Survivor would be, Big Brother, any of them. Jeopardy for me. Yeah. What's that? Jeopardy. That's not what I'm not. I don't know if they have that version. That'd be cool though.

I don't think that version. That would, oh. Jeopardy Jeopardy. Could you imagine every time a question, oh. Minus 63,000 after the first round. Oh. Oh. Because he has confidence that he'd be right.

Getting the question wrong, fuck dude. And then when they give the right answer, I was gonna say the. Yeah. Oh, there you are. Last question here. And then when they give the right I was gonna say Last question here What the Connor just wrote on his dry race board an idea and we will certainly visit that off-air Last question here from the internet is from skippy with cricket at the Olympics in

2028 will overtake NFL in North America and when will there be a cricket correspondent on the show? All right. That's why we don't do the questions. Yeah, that's a good joke. Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate you answering that properly. Trying to get into USA soccer, brother. Cricket's got no chance.

Yeah, right. Lacrosse we're trying to get into. Massive win last night. Who? USA soccer, 1-0 over Saudi. That's a big win for us. On to the quarterfinfinals boys. I heard Who's that? Burr halter's son. Handsome lad. Also proper delivery here as we just knock it home

Yeah, that's a big time. Who's that guy that scored their gumps? Richards. He's filthy Okay, so I think punch is trying to find his team right now boys. Punch went after the other coach last night There's a little bit of a dust. I like that Okay, this is what I'm saying. OK. This is what I've been trying to say the entire time about this new team USA. We fire our coaching staff this close to the World Cup. New coaching staff is going to have to try to find their team.

Here it comes. I, I, I, I, boys. Is that the, is Ponce the ball one? No, here comes Ponce, blue blazer. You'll feel him. Bang. Bang. Get out of here. Get away. Take a seat, boy. here comes punch blue blazer. You'll feel him See but get your hands off my god. I'll fight you right now. Okay Yeah

He's gonna go in there throw punches not just put his hands on soccer field. Oh what you knew what was coming? Yeah, you're right. You know exactly what was coming. You're right. Anyways, Paunch is trying to find his guys. He wants dogs. That's why he doesn't have. I like the moxie of Chris Richards. I mean the hair on that guy. It's cool. Look, I'm not just writing off Team USA Soccer just yet, but I'm going to need a little bit more of that.

A little more pizzazz. A little bit more pizzazz, a little bit more winning, and a little bit more of punch being cool. Winning, yeah I need a little bit more of that. Two game win streak. Speaking of winning, amen, and we're in a gold cup right now, we could win the entire Concafe. Trinidad, Tobago, I can't count. That's two countries. They had 11 guys on the field.

Yeah, so did Saudi Arabia. So that is... 12 guys on the team. That's a whole other conversation. They should get more guys on on team like we did. Yeah. So this before we move to the boxing world there's been an update, a lot of updates from Ross about the new NIL commission clearinghouse thing and interesting the way it's kind of being handled. 130 third-party NIL deal have been submitted for athletes to the new Commission and several

remain under review while many others have been approved. We've talked about this before we don't know how any of them are ever gonna be able to get turned down because if a company wants to pay somebody a certain amount of money who's to say what the window is of what the cash can be unless that commission is given power to put tears onto certain things from I think they would have to get that from actual government I think they would have to empower this commission to be able to put like this is what a top-end deal can look like at this position which that would be very difficult to do I think in

a capitalistic society so I don't know how it all works out But it's already off and running AJ. It's already up and running you upload your deal terms This can include a contract or any correspondence with your Payor that clearly describes the terms of this deal you can skip this step for now But your deal terms will be required. Okay, you're gonna have have to do that then you can confirm your deal 3,700 in total here's the contract obligations social media for Instagram posts three pieces of content unboxing videos for payers social media and website appearance two hours one meet and greet so maybe this is just legitimizing these deals so we know that

they're gonna get paid yep we know that they're gonna happen. Maybe this commission isn't here to turn down the money that people wanna offer up for players, but they're certainly there to make sure that the money is paid to the players and that they're signing a good deal. I love that if that's how this is being viewed, AJ. Yeah, I like this whole like how they're showing how they can set it up to try to make it as easy

and streamline the whole process so it doesn't take forever to try to get something approved. But you're right, I guess I would assume if you ask these people they would say, hey, we're doing this to try to protect the athlete. Is that what this is for? It feels like that's exactly what this is for because now it's being written and checked with a commission of people. This is exactly how this is supposed to go.

Because remember, there was a lot of chatter about guys never getting paid. Yeah, there's like three different lawsuits happening for a lot of millions of dollars because they were told they were going to get paid something then they never got paid. And then you hear stories of everybody else getting paid big money. It's like these players are getting overpaid. It's like there's players getting screwed over right now too from these deals that are taking place. So if this is to legitimize the deals, I love that.

I love everything about that. And not letting these companies, I feel like we heard a bunch of times where like the guys would do what was initially agreed upon and then it was like, oh no, you didn't fulfill the terms of what we, you know, and you just then you're just left in the lurch. It's like, okay, I guess I'm not getting, so like having that, hey, you got four Instagram posts, you got one meet and greet, you do all that stuff. Like those are the terms of this deal. I think that's very helpful as well. Yeah, I appreciate what they're doing. Good luck over there Sheriff Sealy. Good luck from the MLB. He's been tasked with taking this on. Former attorney general I believe and former lawyer. So he'll get to the bottom of it and hopefully

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There's a new book called Baddest Man, the making of Mike Tyson done by the greatest biography writer in the history of sports. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, a guy that was a co-host alongside of me for about a week or two at NFL AM. That's cause how long I last, I don't remember how long he was on NFL AM, but he was always very nice to me and he's incredibly talented.

Ladies and gentlemen, Mark Kriegel. Yeah, more. It's bad, thank you. No problem. How are you doing, man? I remember those days, 3 AM, NFL AM, and I remember being introduced to you as, obviously, knower of ball, knower of sports,

but also this guy's like one of the greatest writers to ever exist at that time, I was mentioning that. Now, I think Ty said, you still got the fastball. He read through this. Absolutely love it. So writing has always been your thing, and then punditry and commentary off the side, or has it all kind of come together Mark?

I don't know if it came together first of all I don't remember any of those NFL AMs. Yeah I mean like I remember you I remember you coming in and I and I flubbed something and uh but I don't know writing doesn't come natural like I'm a bleeder you know someone wouldn't say ask the great red smith how do you do it oh it's easy I open up a vein You know, someone once asked the great redsmith, how do you do it? Oh, it's easy. I open up a vein. It ain't fun, man. I didn't want to do this. I owed the publisher money.

Okay. Yeah. I heard that whenever you talked to Scott Van Pelt. So you're, you had a book deal with a publisher. You owed them a book, I assume. And then you were trying to figure out what book to do. They mentioned Mike Gleison and then you said, okay, I'll do this. No, I said, hell there's no way I'd rather impale certain body parts

No, then revisit Tyson in the 80s and 90s and and who I was as a newspaper columnist They used to be distinct newspapers. I wrote a column. That's right. I started writing about about sports I didn't want to revisit all the crap that I had written about him Some of it was justified some of it was overboard, but I wasn't really crazy about going back there. But I had just torn a hamstring and I was severely overmedicated. The guy calls and says, hey, listen, man, would you consider Tyson? No way. The friend of mine says you can't give money back, man. It's like against the writer's code, which probably It's like against the writer's code, which probably correct. And being overmedicated, I conned myself into thinking I could write a little slim, elegant,

nice book about Mike Tyson, like a kind of essay. And the thing about Tyson is once you get into him, he generates more story than anyone I've ever come across. And the other thing is that finding new stuff about him That's a daunting task. It's not like he hasn't been you know discovered It's not like there's anything that in the large parts of his life We don't know but I was I was pretty surprised by a couple things starting with I actually like the guy Yeah, because I think you were pretty critical of him back in the day when you're a sports columnist

I believe that was a big thing now You've learned about him and I think one of pretty critical of him back in the day when you were a sports columnist. I believe that was a big thing. Now you've learned about him and I think one of the parts of this book is telling the story and I think you told Scott Van Pelt this when you were talking to him. It's like how he has gone on this roller coaster of how the public feels about him and how you actually had a chance to chit chat with him and how it changed your opinion on who he was and you viewed him I believe you said as a human for the first time long time because he kind of let you in. I think the resurgence of Mike Tyson has been a cool

kind of visit through transparency. Do you agree with that? Do you think Mike Tyson has just been more transparent about him? Why do you think there has been this revolutionary shift of respect and appreciation of what he's able to do in a boxing world, but also an understanding that he wasn't a perfect individual in his life. Why do you think that is happening at the moment? There's a whole bunch of reasons. I'm hoping the book, this book has the, like the cheat code of why we're still addicted to Tyson.

But part of it has to do is, you know, he was groomed, and you know this, he was groomed as a face. He was groomed as a good guy. And then he had a heel turn in real life. But he played that role better than anyone in the history of combat sports, certainly boxing. And at certain times he did it with a wink. And the way that he's evolved

and the way that he manipulated fear and the idea of him as the erstwhile, the former scary guy. Now you see him and my book begins in a place, I swear to God, I could never have imagined with him watching his daughter play tennis in in Orange County, like of all of all places, and this guy was was doomed. But he plays that heel role now that he doesn't have to fight and he doesn't have to be a bully and he doesn't have to always shift his fear on you. He plays that with great style.

I mean, there's always a kind of wink to it. And you know, when you have bad guys and they have that wink, they get over, you know, exponentially. People become absolutely fascinated by him. And I think that's in large measure what happened with Tyson. The other thing is that for someone like me, as you get older, you get your ass kicked a little bit, you admire a guy for what he can stand up against. Like the one thing that haters like me and Tyson's acolytes and Tyson himself, never envisioned was that he would be here. I once asked him when he was 45, like, did you ever,

could you have imagined being here? Because no, I couldn't have imagined being alive. So I think you judge a guy by what he's passed through. In the case of Tyson, it's a neighborhood that was absolutely nuts, like calling it a ghetto or calling it violent is completely insufficient. It was like growing up like in Mad Max. Addiction to booze, coke, the death of a child, incarceration, molestation, and boxing itself. Like the typical script in boxing is, you know, the third act is the tragedy. Mike had tragedy during his fighting career. And then afterward, and now we sit in there watching his kid play tennis. It's hard to not love that. Yeah. And I got a chance to meet him at Times Square with the Ring magazines. and now we're sitting there watching his kid play tennis. It's hard to not love that. Yeah, and I got a chance to meet him at Times Square

with the Ring magazine. Yeah, I saw that. City of Wolves. And it's like, as soon as Mike Tyson walks up, I'm like, oh shit, this is Mike Tyson. I think to your point, we're always going to be addicted to the Mike Tyson name and the Mike Tyson brand.

And I'm happy as hell that The Baddest Man, the making of Mike Tyson is available now We appreciate you doing this for a legend in sport now on that note You've not only done it for Tyson you've done it for many others good Connor Yeah, mark some of your other books about pistol Pete Joe name of Tyson now Do you notice like similarities between? The greats all three of those guys are all at the top tier of their respective sports. You notice a similarity between some of them, whether it's psychology or

their training or how they are post their football or basketball or boxing life? I mean, Tyson was a breakthrough for me because it was the first book I did about a guy who wasn't from Western PA. Mancini was from Youngstown, which I think still includes, you know, was part of Western PA. Yeah, yeah, Berm and a Berg. Bieber Falls is his name. Something together, I mean, when you get that good that you need to have a certain perfectionism about you, I think that's it. The other thing is ego.

that's it. The other thing is ego. You need a huge ego to succeed. But I think whatever holds true for other sports is true in spades for boxing. You need an incredible set of balls to get in that ring. You're essentially naked. And there are three elements. It's you, it's the other guy, and there's the audience. And the audience is what changes it. And if you ever get up into a ring to spar, you look down and you go, oh shit, people are looking at me. And I think that what fighters fear

is not the physical violence, it's not getting your ass kicked, it's humiliation. And that changes the whole thing. I'm sorry, my camera's... Now you know it. You got it. You found it. You found it again. That was good. You actually slipped your way back right into that. Yeah, yeah. I'm slipping a punch. Yeah, a little bit. But I think that's it. But it's the ego and the whole Tyson story, the whole story of boxing today, writing about Tyson reinforced this thing for me in a way I didn't anticipate. The whole damn thing with any combat sport, and again, I think boxing most, is it is a

symphony of ego. The promoters, the managers, the fighters, and in this case, in the case of Tyson, it's the trainer. And I think, you know, custom auto, the guy who got him out of lockup as a juvenile, as a 13-year-old, is often sainted. And he may well deserve it, but it was a little bit more complicated than like this beautiful fable of like the old white guy and the kid who gets out of jail. It was really, he would, Custamato had such a huge ego.

And he instilled in Tyson or inflamed in Tyson this huge ego What he was really asking him for my money is make me live forever Now Tyson pushes back on this with me and he says well didn't I in other words? Yes, I made him immortal as long as they know my name They're gonna know his my question of the book is like a what price was that man? Yeah. Well Tyson gave it all I mean it was fully committed to the book is like, hey, what price was that, man? Yeah, well, Tyson gave it all. I mean, he was fully committed to the game. Go ahead, AJ.

Yeah, Mark, what are Tyson's views on some of his old press conferences? You know, he's talking about eating people's children, all of those colorful pressers that he gave us that I thought was just a golden age in boxing. I appreciate him for that. But how does he view that now? I don't look, I mean, I don't want to give you the idea like we're pen pals or like we video chat every day. I asked him one great favor.

I said, listen, I probably wrote more bad stuff about you than anybody. I'm just asking you do me a solid and let me do my work. And typically people would call up and they would say, is it okay to speak to Kriegel? They call his wife and she'd say, yeah, it's okay. And that's all I could ask. People know his story. So we had a couple of like Zoom conversations. It's very

interesting. Those pressers are part of why he stays with us and especially the Eat Your Children stuff. What happened there and we keep replaying it because again, he's the greatest heel ever. And to me that means as scary as he is, there's also something that makes you laugh. But what in fact was going on with that was he had just knocked out a guy in a couple of seconds in Scotland and he was hyping up a fight with Lennox Lewis, but he was in like the deepest state of grief because a kid, a famous stick-up kid, he was locked up with in Brooklyn, had died. So he spent the last part of his camp just grieving.

It was inconsolable. And that's what no one gets from like the eat your children thing. He was half out of his mind with that. He was really beside himself with grief. You're saying there's context basically to everything that kind of happens and in this book hopefully we're going to explain a little bit more of that. Let's move off of Baddest Man, the making of Mike Tyson, and let's talk about the current state of boxing. At 2 30 Eastern,

Canelo, Crawford will have their first press conference. And obviously this is going to be the first big fight with Dana in Turkey and the Crown Prince and obviously Nick a part of it all and TKO kind of coming together. This is huge for boxing. This is good for boxing. What are your thoughts on like kind of the state of boxing at its moment and what the future could be with the new group kind of trying to run things? It's huge for boxing. could be with the new group kind of trying to run things? It's huge for boxing. I think that boxing, at least in this country, does in fact need some salvation.

It's a great, great fight. Cause on paper, I mean, Crawford's older, he's smaller, and he's technically in economic terms, he's the B-Side. So everything in boxing history says Crawford should lose. I don't think that's going to happen. I think that he's the savviest predator there is. I mean, he's giving up a huge amount of weight, but what is really cursed boxing, certainly in this country, are fights that you know the outcome to. If I know who's going to win, if the disparity between the A-Side and the B-Side is so damn big that you know the outcome to. If I know who's going to win, if the disparity between the A side and the B side is so damn big that I know who's going to win or it's a huge upset, why am I going to tune in? And that's what's plagued this sport. Because you haven't

seen Crawford lose, it's difficult to envision in your head him losing. And he's incredibly resourceful. He's very violent violent and I think that he feels like he's been cheated out of his prime. He didn't get the recognition he needs. All that to me makes him dangerous. For Canelo, it's this pride. Has he been living in silk pajamas all these years? Has he gotten metaphorically fat?

I don't know, but we're gonna see. All right, well, Mark, we appreciate you stopping by. We'll continue to chat. Hopefully as the lead up for Canelo versus Crawford happens and everything taking place in boxing. Congrats on another great one, man. Congrats on another great one. Thank you so much. Appreciate it, fellas. No problem. Ladies and gentlemen, Mark Kriegel. Yeah, Mark Ford. I was a columnist. I had newspapers. I did a lot of writing.

I talk more shit on Tyson than anybody. Yeah, I had to do, I have, it's part of the job, part of the profession. Just do me a solid man, let me do my job, please. Let me do this entire thing. Please, please, I know what I did. Mark was always very nice to me. He was very serious though, you know, like a very serious lad. And none of us remember what that NFL AM show was like.

I know, was there a fucking- I did a couple days on there. I did a few. In LA? Yeah, went out there, I think I did like three days one week, yeah. 3 AM. Yeah.

Yeah. Very weird, I said, why isn't this filmed on the New York studio? Well, because it's out here. We get like your guests, they said we get guests and stuff being in LA, I was like, you got guys coming at 4 AM, coming here? Yeah, we did, look at us. We did go, I won a couple days got guys coming at 4 a.m. coming here? Yeah, we did. Look at us.

We did go, I won a couple days. Sounds like you won a few days. Mark was there a few days. I remember that Molly was part of that team, Molly Kerim. She was a part of that there at the time. LeVar Arrington, I believe, was there. Rhett, it was early. That's so early.

That's real early. That's a different LA life. You're living. Yeah Yeah, I'm gonna bet it 6 p.m. Every night. Yeah, I didn't do that Well, right you see what I did was I for every time that's kind of stay up and go yeah. Yeah Yeah, we're in Los Angeles. Good to catch up with everybody. Also, we're doing TV Yeah, all night here. Here we go. All right. Have a great weekend. Game seven of the NBA Finals on Sunday night. The Travelers is taking place.

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We'll see you on Monday Goodbye Baseball's happening as well We covered it. I love the rivalries. I love everybody hitting everybody old-school baseball. This is good, bro Tony's getting beat 100 mile an hour fastballs at his head The fact that's a hundred mile like you're firing gas at him, like throw like an 88 mile an hour one off his ribs. That's not the point. Why the fuck would they do that AJ? Why? Why are you guys so frustrated? It's Ohtani. I think it's only cool because

the D-E-S is getting 300 million too brother. Yeah I think it's only cool because it's 100 and and that's not to say I think the kneecap one hurt more but I think it's only sweet because it's a hundred and and that's not to say I think the knee cap one hurt more but I think it's only sweets because it's a hundred in the back I don't know I fucking hundred off the shoulder blade I'm sure did you see ties reenactment AJ he was nothing like yeah I see it one more time I did see it once I saw I'd almost need to see the video if I remember correctly he takes it off the shoulder blade and then where is it? Yep. There it is I get it cuz we've worn 80 and that hurts. Yeah, very bad when in high school or something. Yeah, it all hurts

Ty told me he's aiming at somebody's jaw if they're on the plate. I Mean if you are standing on the plate, you can't get too upset if you get cl get clipped as business you played baseball AJ high school. Yeah, not in high school I just played all growing up did all the travel stuff got burned out by the end of eighth grade Sounds like a Dan Urlovsky story. Were you up there on the on the plate whenever you're in the batter's box? Is that your plate? No, no normal normal, you know stance. I wasn't crowned the plate We didn't have big pads on our elbows and all that bag Well, it would have been cool just Just go out there fucking knee pad hip pad sure yeah Right over top of the bat right over top of the plate people do that I mean do now

Yeah, I guess I really haven't seen what kids in high school are wearing But I'm sure they're pretty swagged up But like yeah when we were in high school no one's wearing elbow pads or any of that shit And they were lining up wear the batters But I crowded the plate like a son of a bitch you bet you're trying to get it No, just let's shrink this strike zone down big time I would hit dudes all the time when I was if I got down I pit like if I'm pitching and I told you This before if I get down 3o in the count

I'm hitting the dude on the fourth pitch because I know I'm not throwing three straight strikes to this guy Okay, I didn't have I didn't have all that trouble control so I had to. This is just the law of averages here. I need to do as much damage as I can here. I'm not going to be able to throw three straight strikes. This was 3-0 by the way. Oh okay this is the fourth pitch. Good call AJ. That's what this guy said. I'm not going to be able to get three strikes past this guy. Might as well just go ahead and send him on his way with a nice little how you doing? 100 miles an hour to the shoulder Clayton Kershaw 38 years old 39 years old he was halfway over the fact hold on Boy hold on now. He said this is not gonna surprise you cuz you know how he was back then

CFO Phil would stand basically on the plate and then just wouldn't even flinch. He got hit a hundred times Maybe yeah, that makes sense that makes sense you would probably get that shoulder and just right over top of the plate they called that kid out in Gage Woods no hitter leaning into it yeah yeah that's that's what I think mm-hmm you just threw the third ever no no in the history of the college world series what are your thoughts on that? Should I hit that guy? It's it. It's all I got Okay, okay

He was awesome what a week it has been let's go around the horn here favorite thing that happened this week We'll start with you a P tone. I mean, it's very simple. It's very easy It's the Pacers making it to game time Schmidt you Yankees, I mean, it's also the Pacers but the Yankees snapped their six game losing streak Oh, yeah, they were the Pirates there for they were for a week. They were the Pirates and now you know, they're playing salty ball Sure sure they were playing salty ball, but they've snapped that and they are now going back to you know Being the Kings the Aleast Boston Connor favorite thing this week Mom was SpaceX blowing up

because I've never seen anything like that before in my entire life, but I thought it was cool. Those things have to happen, obviously, for us to get to the point where they don't blow up any tiny little mistake with that much gas. Never seen that. I've only seen it in the movies. Things are gonna go.

Here's the video that Connor is referring to is because we have not showed it on this particular program program and it is over Oh, there's another one Double boom how many Astro that's five big bull. Yeah, I don't know what I It wouldn't be my favorite thing if someone died man, obviously Good thing this week that happened at the Euker table yesterday. Yeah, I mean that might be my favorite part too. D-Butts and Bone were Euker partners, Bill and Foxy and me and Pat and me and Pat went

5-0, beat the fucking piss out of those four just over and over again. Actually started game one, Pat and I were down 9-6, which is kind of like what the Pacers were down 3-6 which is kind of like what the Pacers were down 3-2 and then two rounds just you're sorry not two rounds two two hands back to back down 9-6 we go Euker hold on oh 9-8 also that's a two-pointer and then we go clean sweep 5-0 oh wait 10-9 all of a sudden as a 10-9 victory and then that was just game one and like I said, we played five total games We had four more wins after that we beat Foxy and bill half hours. Yeah We're downtown, you know with where we live whenever the Pacers have a game and we do our show live from the arena It's like with trap like what is the last night? I think we had enough time. I could have made it home made it back

Maybe should have done that. Instead, we just stayed downtown at this place called- Commission Row. Commission Row is this restaurant down here in Indianapolis. I think it opened in June or January, I mean. Man. Phenomenal.

It's awesome. That whole area was cool. I haven't been down there in a while, going to Gamebridge and seeing the whole area, how it's developed around this. The arena's sweet. Yeah, that restaurant that's right next to the arena there, Commission Row, that might be the nicest restaurant

I've ever been in. It's the nicest restaurant in Indy, hands down. Might be the nicest restaurant I've ever gone in. And the food is good. It's not like you go to a nice place and it's terrible food. Delicious. It's like very, very good food.

That place is brand new. They know they got to fight for, you know, like, I don't want to say clientele. Every age. Customers, it's brand new because there's a lot of restaurants know, like, I don't say clientele, customers, it's brand new. Cause there's a lot of restaurants downtown, obviously, like historic restaurants in downtown Indianapolis, Commission Row, that place is very nice. I mean, and they've been very good to us, obviously,

but the location, the food, the service, the wait, there's a speakeasy down in the basement, I think. There's a speakeasy down there. Yeah, it's a, they got a different menu basement. I think yeah Mills. There's a speakeasy down there. Yeah, it's uh They got a different menu for the speakeasy too. It's pretty cool Yeah, so, you know Indianapolis really done here really done it and a Pacers obviously The straw that's during the drink in the city right now. Yeah, and you know what that drink is Joe view it is You know what that drink is good time. Mm-hmm. You know what that drink is? It's down to its final sip.

It's game seven on Sunday. AJ, how do you feel game seven goes for the Indiana Pacers, Oklahoma City Thunder to determine in four quarters, maybe overtime. Maybe. Who are the NBA champions of the 2024-2025 season? At this moment, on Friday, 204 Eastern, the Thunder are 7 and 1 half point favorites. That would be the, if the spread was eight,

that would be the largest spread in the history of NBA game sevens since 1988. Cool. Good year. AJ. Well, sitting here Friday, a couple of days before the game, Ty Reese, how he looked, how he played, I feel much better about his cap and his leg,

everything that's going on, his lower body situation he has. But the more I think about it, I just keep seeing Pacers 109, Thunder 101, and the Thunder Arena being heartbroken. The Pacers coming there and finding a way. I like that Tyrese will, and those Pacers boys will operate accurately in another arena

if they were to win a title there. It has gone down to six and a half now on ESPN. It's been moving, been moving back and forth, a little bit of dancing, a little bit of dancing, six and a half, seven and a half. Nonetheless, Tyrese Halliburton did look healthy last night. Yes he did. Got to rest all fourth quarter.

Got an opportunity here for a couple of days now. Friday. What? Saturday. All of Sunday, 8 p.m. late start on a Sunday. Yep. Shall we move that to 6.30 on Sunday. Yes, the thought. So in the Super Bowl. Seven o'clock on eight o'clock. That's a late one on Sunday.

West Coast though we want you to come enjoy. Yeah, sure. Come enjoy. Five o'clock. That's actually pretty good time. Yeah, not bad. Five o'clock not a bad start. Anyways, eight o'clock ABC Sunday. I agree with you AJ. Indiana Patriots take it home. Let's go boys. Here we go. Let's have one. I don't think I'm gonna be, I don't know if they're releasing any tickets. No, no I don't think so. Definitely not. Keep that demand high. I reached out and they said no. You did? Yeah. Thank you for doing that. That's my favorite thing of the week is that you reach out to Oklahoma City AJ was your favorite thing of the week

Aaron Rodgers walking around on a beach all jacked up. I Mean, that's nice. I have a hard time not going with the sea. I come dunk the Tyrese steel sea I come dunk. I'm sitting there watching live like okay this game. Here we go. Let's go to game seven already Yeah, that was a good moment the place Here we go. Let's go to game seven already. Yeah, that was a good moment. The place. It's awesome. So awesome. Steel, give me that.

In my pink, Halle ones. I had my Halle Golds on. Reggie Miller right there. Reggie Miller right in front row. He almost passes it to Tyrese. Parkway jacket. Do it, no look, do it, no look. He said, you got it, no look.

Oh, put them in a blender. Dort Williams. Obey Toppin in the back. Look at that. He said you got it. No look. Oh put him in a blender door Williams ah OB topping in the back all of Indiana goes insane. What a moment What a moment? What a moment? Oh also this week complete closed second JJ spawns putt. Oh man 64 feet for immortality. How's he doing at travelers? He was three over day one Understandable he was doing a tour. He was doing a tour. Yeah, he did a show he did Yeah, yeah 4.6 last week. He's good. Yeah, this this one's worth three and a half

Yeah, three five three eight a million to the winner who is JJ gonna be on the Ryder Cup team As of right now he is yes okay those putters we've been told are on the way okay maybe i'm on the Ryder Cup team too look out never know Egan Bradley might be watching he knows he saw you coming out of the pocket he's the coach captain we know that my issue isn't necessarily coming out of the pocket. Sure. I'll come out of the pocket. Now, do I know where the driver's going?

Not really, but the deuce, I kind of got that one figured out. It's not going to be as far, but the two wood will put me in play. My iron's not terrible. If I'm in a bad lay, I'm in trouble because I don't have good ball contact. I'm mostly, I'm meeting through that thing every single time. But when I get to the green, that's where the trouble really begins. For some reason just can't knock it down. Haven't been able to find my putter that's why JJ Spahn told me with the putter that he won with when I start putting all of a

sudden I'm Mr. One Putt. Yeah. That's what he said it was gonna happen. I seen him do it from 64 feet. Mm--hmm there's a current US team Scotty Scheffler Zander Shoffley JJ spawn D sham bro Justin Thomas Colin Moore Kala I like to hear that so the live guys are in yeah yeah well he's automatically yeah because he is yeah he's qualified because he would Bryson won the major right but everyone else would have to be a captain's pick if they're a live dude. You need to look out for Maverick McNeely. Mm-hm.

Good locker room guys. Good player. And Andrew Novak, once he gets yuck, yuck, yuck, yuckin', that's when the boys- He can pick himself too. Good. Yeah, and he probably will. I mean, Russell Henley certainly put up a good fight to make the team. And Ben Griffin, we know, obviously the Griffin family over here. Yeah, no back

Yeah, well no way Yucking it up and And then they don't call him Harman for a reason he is a horror man. Yeah, Oh Brian need a lefty. You lefty I know respectfully to this list. We need none of those guys at the bottom to be on this list. It's good McCree Moore, Foxy. What are you talking about? No, I like the guys at the top.

They're all big names and they're all great golfers. Let's keep it that way. Brooks will get at it. What about Wyndham? That'd be fun. I like the way Brooks is operating. He looks like he's having more fun than ever. He does.

Because I learned on Super Swing he was not having a blast. True. What's this for? Have more fun than ever it does because I learned on super swing. He was not having a blast. Yeah What's this for There's only one thing it could be for what's this? What's this all about AJ? What do you mean? I think there's only one thing it can like I said, this has got to be Pacers Yeah, NBA Championship ball Wow Imagine that that's great. Here we are game seven on the horizon. It all comes down to this You got it it's going in

All right, so the Thunder gonna dominate the first quarter, okay, here we go second quarter that's been happening Yeah, which is expected. Let them have it Ten at half it's like game one. Yeah uphill battle and then tricky Ricky saying this second half. It's ours boys. Yes, Bob would And now the Balls flat that doesn't count tie game Counts it all comes down to this you got it. Yep I said great fresh. This is a world championship. Yes, you need an international ball. Oh No See a lot of people get it a lot of people say since you're shooting for the thunder that you're missing on purpose. Yep. Yep

Paddle barrel barrel. Pull them tell me to come pull you Pull on it. Come on, Mitt. Don't touch the floor. Don't touch the lava, Mitt. From the board, from the board. Yeah, from the board. Right in the storm or the thunder. Do a holly. Thank God Steve sent that. No kidding.

From the place. Yeah. Oh, fuck. Alright. I mean mean if you want it is on YouTube TV. It is presented by, presented by, forgot about that. I'll tell you what, YouTube TV makes it easier to be a fan. They do. You can watch all the sports and live TV in one app. Right now, you go ahead and scan this QR code.

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Uh-oh. Here here We got rocks inside that thing What's goddamn lacquer other thing yeah Start throwing some nice might change your life for this thing together team I don't love that going in a week weekend yeah okay that doesn't mean no shit that means fucking nothing yeah we missed him yesterday tell you what I'll eat one here those balls were see if I was gonna have a good weekend or not thank you Tony tell us got a terrible weekend for the good of all of us right for he loved us so much he gave us he's terrible weekend so we could have a good one

Joseph 314 thank you tone tone 317 why hell yeah be friends help friends up the dice if I change your life we're in this thing together team on me we'll see you on Monday. Team on three. One, two, three, team. Team. Goodbye.