The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1369 - NBA Draft First Round Recap, Utah Jazz/Mammoth Owner Ryan Smith, Shams Charania, Jay Bilas, Travis Pastrana, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys recap the first round of the NBA Draft and all the surprising picks, trades, and everything else that made it an entertaining night. Joining the show is the owner of the Utah Jazz and Utah Mammoth, Ryan Smith to chat about how he loved what the Jazz did in the first round of the draft, as well as the big trade made for the Mammoth, and why he’s so excited about what they’re building with both franchises. Next, ESPN Senior NBA Insider, Shams Charania joins the show to recap the first round of the NBA Draft and look ahead to tonight’s 2nd round. Next, former Duke Blue Devil and ESPN Basketball analyst, Jay Bilas joins the show to give his biggest takeaway’s from the 1st round, why he thinks Cooper Flagg is going to be so special, why we shouldn’t rush to judgement on a lot of these picks, and more. Lastly, one of the absolute GOATs, the modern day Evil Knievel, co-founder of Nitro Circus, Travis Pastrana joins the show to chat about the X-Games’ 30th anniversary this weekend, his career in extreme sports, his injury history, what his goals for the future are, and much more. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode the Thunderdome on the Sports Thursday June 26 2025 this program begins now Sports are awesome. No matter what sport is happening It is more awesome than anything else that is happening in the world for instance last night There are some baseball games on. That was fine, I had good baseball. So yeah, baseball. So there's a lot of new stuff going on. That's good.

And the NBA's first round of their draft. And there was obviously some drama building. Where's Ace Bailey gonna go? This guy's turned down workouts as he goes to the World Cup. He goes number five overall to Utah. Absolute dog on the basketball court. Utah would also pick up Walter Clayton Jr. at number 18 out of Florida.

He was a bucket getter for the entire March Madness, obviously national champion. We saw him watch him. He's 22 years old though. So he's a little bit older and all these other guys are getting drafted at 18, 19. A lot of people saying Utah Jazz had a massive night on the court.

Now how everything else work out, we shall see. We'll be joined by Ryan Smith, owner of Utah Jazz had a massive night on the court. Now how everything else work out, we shall see. We'll be joined by Ryan Smith, owner of the Utah Jazz and owner of the Utah Mammoth. Toss up, toss up, toss up, toss up. He was in the draft war room for the Utah Jazz while also Having to handle business with the mammoth the mammoth make a massive trade of Buffalo Sabre JJ Petrika

Paturka shit. It's on me Where he comes from it's probably petrika. Yeah, I was trying to just be as cultured as I possibly could here He's from Germany. Paterka. So he would say nine to all of my negativity, anyways. All is good. Sprechen Sie Deutsch? Just a tiny bit. But anyways, he's headed to Utah.

So a lot happening around. Ryder Lyons goes to BYU earlier in the week after his mission, obviously. Then Utah Jazz have the draft that they have. Then the Mammoth make a massive trade. I mean there's a lot going on in Utah. Ryan Smith will join us, we can't wait to catch up with him. Shom Sharani will join us at about 1240, 1245 Eastern. Hey, what were some surprises the last night Shoms? What were some back conversations that were happening that maybe

never came to light? What were some opportunities? What are some expectations for this evening? And then what is everybody saying about how everybody else did in the draft? Shams wasn't tipping picks last night. No? Well, then he started to, because when a trade happens, he's got to, yeah, they're trading blah, blah, blah,

who's with blah, blah, blah, couple of things ahead. So we're learning who's getting picked. And then we're also learning you're not going to be there. You're going to be at a different place. The NBA needs to figure that out. Big time. They need to figure, the hats, first of all,

I thought we were over this. I thought we were done with the hats. The hats never fit. Nope. The hats never fit and they never look good. Let alone the fact when you go out and put a hat on and then on a screen it's saying, it's getting traded to a different team,

but in a draft you're saying you do that. Can we not just say, you know what, it's real confusing. Yeah. Can we just put the team that traded just in there? Exactly. And just say congratulations? And instead of it being like traded to as the small one, shouldn't traded from be the small one?

Where they're at now should be the big one. In my head, just as somebody that was trying to watch and learn the entirety of it last night, I was pretty confusing. That was pretty, that was a pretty confusing situation. Now I understand this is probably how it's been for a long time. I know the hats thing has always been a part of it.

Like they don't fit in the NFL ever. They really, at least maybe options, you know, maybe scarf, yeah, maybe. Ooh. It's like a pin to put on their blazer. Boom, right on, on sick, lot of sick fits. Yeah, right. Lot of sick. See the guy with no shirt underneath. Yeah. on on sick lot of sick fits. Yeah right. A lot of sick. See the

guy with no shirt underneath. Yeah. That's a lot of moxie. I like that type of confidence. Would like that guy on my team. I guess he. Bob's one. Yeah I think he locks down on defensive side. But the hat thing obviously they never fit. It always looks you make the person look immediately stupid and they're trying to get introduced to the league you know into their team into their fan base and you got I mean all these guys. How about the guy at China? He's sitting up in the auditorium eating his knees. Oh, yeah. That's Yang Hanson. Yeah, it is He is the guy he's gonna be rich Paul represents him We see rich Paul at the end of this video here that guy's eating his knees up in the auditorium. How you doing?

Thanks for coming to America from China. He was supposed to be a second round draft pick. Holy shit. It's happening right now. Here we go. I'm off and running. They start showing his highlights. We're talking no look passes. Like got a lot of, got a lot of yoga. A lot of joker in his game. Wasn't supposed to be until the middle of second round. There's Rich Paul saying, come on, good to see you. That's good. I love that. Rich Paul is about to run tonight. We'll talk to Sean. It's about 1240. See what we should expect for this particular. I'm excited to see what happens with a Yang Hanson. Me too. Favorite player of the draft.

Up in the auditorium. Cause he's supposed to come tonight. Tonight's supposed to be the night, but he's coming from China. So we got to get there. We might as well go watch the show. You're drafted, Bob. Congratulations. Welcome to Memphis via. Yeah, you get it. That's that whole. Yeah, I'm not even sure what team he's on. Portland. Portland. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. It's a betrayal. He's going to say him and Jar. But look, it says like, just do the thing. He's at Portland. Yeah. Why do they do that? He is Portland. I'm sure some basketball

purist is going to tell us that we don't know what they're talking about, which happens a lot. Believe it or not, we are told we don't know what we're talking about a about a lot now I will say if you were to revisit those conversations a little bit further down the road Might be a whole new Conversation at the time, but we are just your basic doofuses and whenever we're trying to learn about your shit, and that's a Little we had some names. Well, I thought I was gonna say at least the broadcast was flawless I mean it was a it was a it was a lot of different options to watch Obviously it was a ABC option. There was an ESPN option. There was an ESPN radio option I believe there was a digital option as well

So they did the full takeover of the draft think a lot of people didn't know that there was other options It's all that. Yeah, it's all a lot of that on the internet. That's like whenever we do our draft spectacular and People start Tweeting or whatever we do our simulcasts when we do the alternate cast of games or on the sidelines People start tweeting about how terrible we are for the game And how is this what he is ESPN's ruining college football like for us. They have no idea Kirk and Fowler Look, yeah one down. Yeah, just what if you were to do that simple so that happens with the draft I think there should be maybe a heads up that yeah, you can find us a couple different places

Maybe they did maybe we weren't paying attention, but I was bouncing around it was good. I thought it was a good show I thought it was a good show, especially when there's nothing no other sports watch I'd rather have that than love Island ain't that right Foxy. Did you watch NBA last night? You watch love I watch NBA actually last night. Love Island was off See, but he would have been... It's only two days a week and last night was one of them. I think he would have been a little bit, oh, and when you guys get back after those two days so much is happening.

Thursday episodes are crazy, Sunday episodes are crazy. Yeah, okay, yeah. See, that's where we're at now. That's where we're at now. So whenever we're talking about the second round of the NBA draft tonight, deal with us. We're going to ask Sean's a question about the second round of the NBA draft tonight, deal with us. We're gonna ask Shalms a question about the second round of the NBA draft. And just know in the moment, we do care.

We do wanna know the answer. Cause all these guys are gonna go on to be superstars. Who was the number one pick last year? Zachary Ricochet, I think. Something like that, yeah. I know it doesn't look like that's how it's pronounced, but I have heard people say it like that. Okay, so he was first pick overall last year. He went obviously to the...

Atlanta Hawks. And he played outstanding at the end of the year. Yeah, exactly. I think he was kind of hammered dog shite the first half of the season, then he kind of figured out, hey... He averaged 13 over the year. Not bad. Not bad. Okay, so he bounced back. Exactly. And the number one overall pick before that was... Wem. Exactly. And number one overall pick before that was?

Wemby. And the number one overall pick before that was? Oh, I couldn't tell ya. That's getting a little too far in the past. Number one's normally hit though, right? Isn't that kind of the thing? Yeah. Of the draft?

I mean, last year's draft, I remember there being a conversation about it being crap, they said. This is not a great draft, is what they said. That was rude of those kids. You guys make your own decision on if you're a crap draft class or not because any draft class in any sport could be the best of all time or could be the worst of all time right

every draft pick could be the best player of all time or the worst player of all time which is why it's such a fun exciting time feels like basketball hits at the top more often than not everybody else I think I'm kind of a little bit lost on. Last night knew a lot of names late. Knew a lot of names like. Connor you had a theory on why that was the case. Why we knew a lot more names and I think it's because there was a lot of college like March Madness. Like Walter Clayton jr. being available at 18. I was so surprised. I'm like this guy's available for the NBA and he's fallen this far. He was he took over games. I mean he just absolutely took over surprised. I'm like, this guy's available for the NBA and he's fallen this far? He took over games.

I mean, he just absolutely took over games. I guess there's a lot more projection on what you could be in the NBA. And then the names being known, it's like a lot of college guys got drafted last night. Yeah, and a lot of guys make their names in March. Like I feel like even not just Walter Clayton Jr., but there's a few guys who transferred to bigger schools

and then they become names and mark. Mark guy, Derek Queen gets drafted last night down in New Orleans. They paid a hefty ransom to move up 10 spots to get him. Yeah. People weren't happy about that. People were calling that guy that's running the Pelicans a big dumb dip. That's what people were saying.

We did not say it. No. No. We did not say that. I cannot reiterate that enough because we like Derek Queen. So if Derek Queen goes on to be a perennial all-star, which it could be, very tall, very athletic, very smooth and a dog.

Remember in the game that they show the highlight where he wins it, in the huddle, the coach said, who wants the ball? And he said, I want the ball. And then he got, I'm sorry, I want the motherfucking ball. Then he gets the ball and does that. It's like, okay, that is a guy I would like on my team now you trade up ten spots and give up a unprotected first-rounder I guess next year, especially with what the Pelicans could be potentially or they could be very good

But unless but if they end up being good in Derek Queens good none of this matters They go just like the NFL draft like somebody makes a stupid move You reach to get somebody if that guy's an all-star, none of it matters. If that person's not, fired. Yeah. Speaking of that move, Dallas Mavericks all of a sudden. This Niko guy wants to bop wood. Yeah. He said, why'd you get rid of Luka? This guy led your team to the finals last year. Is it all? We said it. Like this guy thinks he's more important to the Dallas Mavericks than Luka Dolchik what is this guy doing is he trying to piss off the fans so bad that they have a right to move the team to another city

that was the theories this guy is trying to tank his team to be bad is what they were saying about this Nikko guy GM now their stats coming out that are like everything that Nikko has said he wants on his team he has assembled he is Cooper flag also a shot blocker, I mean 50 blocks in 37 games obviously when you're that tall that athletic you're able to do it but now they just got size and they are gonna play defense which is exactly what he came out immediately after trading Nico said I feel there is a way to win games I think it is through a defensive style of basketball and I think you have

to be in tremendous shape and he like kind of just sat in the pocket on that just very much sat in the pocket on that. He got murdered We were a part of the problem. Yeah. Yeah. Well kind of rightfully so though So he got very lucky after exactly getting the number one overall pick for cooper flag I think is obviously a massive ordeal But if you look at the vision that he wants feels like he's shutting it up And now I guess Kyrie won't be back until January? Probably mid-season. January or February? All-star break even. So he's gonna miss the first half of the season but whenever Kyrie comes back oh yeah and if they're already rolling it's like his vision is perfect can he stay healthy is the

big question and what will Cooper Flagg be? I think with what every human is saying about him he's gonna it's gonna work yeah like he's gonna transition well into the NBA. Congrats to him on a coronation basically of being the next one. Well, especially in the West too. Like if you think about those three guys, Gafford Lively and Anthony Davis, and you can throw a Cooper flag in there,

but looking around, Chet Holmgren and O'Casey and Hartenstein, both those dudes are seven foot, big bodies, so I mean, again, they match up well with them. You look at the Nuggets, of course, Jokic, big body got to match up with them. The Timberwolves, you know, of course, Rudy Gobert, not as good on offense, but the main one. Yeah, Victor Wemba Nyama. Like if you're looking just to win the state of Texas in general, first and foremost, of course you have that kind of manpower now but the thing the league's getting big it's getting huge it's getting huge now granted you still got tj mcconnell

doing his thing jaylen brunson is still doing his thing you'll still see some of that but the size of these dudes is outrageous right now with what they're able to do so smooth yeah so smooth all of them all of them have a jumper you know it like, well, they don't work the paint. It's like, I think they can make short shots too. I think they could do that, but they just opt for three points instead of two because they're such prolific shooters. It's a wild spot at basketball as somebody that just, you know, casual watcher. It's like these seven foot four humans.

First of all, I didn't know we could do that. Not many of those. And then when you see it run, it's like, that's unbelievable. And then it's just shooting better than I could ever shoot in my life. And it's like, this is what, this is what basketball is. It's an avatars playing basketball.

Yeah. And we just watched, I mean, we literally- Chad Holmgren is an avatars. Bingo. We just watched OKC with Chad and literally- Chad Holmgren is an Avatar. Bingo. We just watched OKC with Chad and Hartenstein, two huge guys playing defense and having huge guys. And then you talked about-

Jacob Solly gets into that thing. It is Jacob Solly. Shuts that thing. Mm-hmm. Go into his brain. Yeah. Soul sucked out, dropped into an Avatar. He's 13 feet tall, runs, jumps, does the the whole thing that's what the NBA is becoming

yeah they play hoops in that movie they do I'm sorry I cut you off I was just I was thinking to myself that that is what chet I mean chet was like throwing the ball down yeah at the hoop backwards I'm like four feet away but so tall it's kind of a blueprint now but you're talking about uh number one overall picks so from the 2020 on it was Anthony Edwards He's pretty good. Mm-hmm. Kate Cunningham. That guy's pretty good Paulo Bunker. Oh pretty good the elite Ricochet obviously Wemby and then Cooper flag here So there's a there's a pretty good chance that Cooper flag is gonna probably be the rookie of the year

And be good in the NBA rico Ricochet we think with the S? It's like Ricochere or something. Yeah, it is not pronounced how you think it would be pronounced. R-I-S-A-C-H-E-R. I know the E-R is an A sound. With the S is becoming a K. Yeah, I mean that's, you know, again. Zach Ali?

I just looked it up. It's a Risa Shay See new new was in the ballpark Yep, I took like eight classes of French and I'm like, I don't know if an s turns into a C in that language They seemingly regret a basketball though. Very good. Yeah French good basketball. He's a shit joining us now ladies and gentlemen is a man who You know is in the middle of a lot of action right now Obviously Qualtrics when you're talking about surveying and accounting and everything like that Best in the piss only one name comes mine

Qualtrics Oh great business So good. It's been sold multiple times. It's crazy for billions of dollars each time. Yeah the person that did that said, well, I'm like 40 years old now, love sports, what should I do? Oh, I'm going to buy my hometown NBA team, the Utah Jazz. Becomes an owner of the Utah Jazz. Obviously brings in Danny Ainge from the Boston Celtics.

Tries to build up a winner in his city. Then also he says, you know, I love this state. What would this state need? What would be great for the state? All hockey team. So then he starts petitioning the NHL. Hey, whenever a team is either going up for expansion or for sale, we would like to be a part of it. I think my state, the one that I'm from, would be a wonderful host city of an NHL team.

And I think we would show up for you. You got it. Team goes up for sale on Phoenix, bang. All of a sudden now he owns an NHL team and an NBA team, and he's under the age of 50. Ladies and gentlemen, a self-made billionaire with a great team around him, and owner of an NBA team and an NHL team, a guy who's living out a lot of dude's dreams in America,

and has remained a human somehow. I don't know how that works Ladies and gentlemen Ryan Smith That last question shoe collection so we shall say we shall say okay. We we messy beaucoup To a tray Extraordinaire Defeat covers by how you say shoes. I know the bottles.

Yeah, your shoe collection is outrageous. You know that. That is beautiful right there. That is wonderful. How often do we change those out? Are they always the same spot? No, it's great. I always change it out.

Like if I just show up and I'm like not feeling what's what I'm rocking on the feet, I just look around and there's something, something there. But are they always all in the same spots or do some people get kicked off the team? Like, Hey, I'll tell you what, third row up on the left side, 15th shoe in, I haven't worn these in three years. Take them off the damn rack. They don't deserve a spot anymore. We need to put some new bad boys up here. Is there any, we need some crocs up here. What's actually happening is I find that they're disappearing.

People will come in and then like walk out with a pair of kicks and I'm like alright we got to find something else there. Zito's sat in the back, that is classic Big J there. He's going right to the top. Big J's going right to the top, no doubt about it. Okay, thank you for joining us. Great night last night for the Utah Jazz. I assume that's how the entire organization feels. Danny Ainge obviously genius over there. You bring in so many big brains into every business that you do. It feels like you're okay delegating power to other people and trusting the ride. How was the room last

night whenever you end up with Ace Bailey at five? Outrageously talented player who may have said that he didn't want to go to Utah. I don't know if that was just on the internet, but that was kind of being speculated. And then Walter Clayton Jr., the guy of March Madness had to feel like a great night for the Utah Jazz, right? And is that accurate? Yeah, it truly was.

I mean, I think, I think we brought in Austin Ainge a couple of weeks ago and he came out for the press conference from Boston and didn't leave actually. He is not left to go back home, to back up or anything. He has been heads down and I think a couple weeks ago he said if we can walk out of this draft with Ace Bailey and Walter Clayton that's exactly what we want to do and the team executed on exactly what they wanted. Okay so whenever the chatter about Ace Bailey happens as the owner of the team, I assume that is something that you have to take into account, especially in the modern era of sports. What is kind of your thoughts on that particular narrative about Ace at

five to Utah with everything that's been said leading up to the draft? I mean, look, I think our philosophy in where we're at as a team is we wanna take the best player on the board and we love Ace. I got a chance to talk to Ace and Walter last night. And all I saw was a kid who was humble. He was grateful. He was excited to be in the NBA. And I think that's all you can ask for from our standpoint.

I mean, naturally, probably doesn't have a lot of experience out west here with Utah. That's our job, to go make him love it. I'm confident in our state. I know that he'll feel loved like he's never felt before. People are fired up to have him. And the reality is, there's nothing that Ace and others can't accomplish here. And so I think we've seen that with the NBA Finals this

year you guys have felt that love you were long for a hell of a ride with with Indy and OKC and he's gonna do great he's gonna do great and he's got a young coach who's fired up about him you know he's got a lot of really smart people around. I mean, with DA who's been in the league 46 years, with a group of veterans on our team that are also incredibly unselfish. And I think that's really important. So he gets a chance to learn,

but everyone wants this guy to succeed. And so we couldn't be more excited. Hell yeah. And as I was watching and reading that narrative kind of take place on the internet, and I don't think it was just Utah, I think there was multiple places. I think it was like a considered a conversation about Ace leading up. I'm like, there's no way he's ever been to Utah. Ace, I won't let you go.

You and I obviously lost same people. I had little to no expectation of Utah. I'm just going to, let's keep it a book. Going out to Utah, I was planning on doing show, hotel room, show, plane, get me the hell out of here. Okay, get me the hell out of here. You invited me to a game, which is very kind. Hey, the owner of the Utah Jazz would like you

to come to Utah Jazz game tonight. I can't, can't do that. I got a big schedule, big things planned. And then I think Zito was like, hey you should look up who the owner of Utah Jazz is. I looked it up, I saw you and I was like this is not what I expected out of Utah Jazz owner at all. I looked into your story, I looked into how you treat people, I looked into everything and I was like, oh I'd love to go hang with this guy. And what we got a chance to do is experience Utah. Walked around downtown, got a chance to go out. We saw the people, we saw the building, we experienced everything about it. It's like this place is amazing. We thought about picking up and moving

there. That was where we were at, let alone the views and everything else. And I think obviously conservative is a word that is thought about Utah. But I think people automatically assume that's boring. It's like I don't think your city was boring at all. Like I think we had a great time out there. No, no a lot of times in life I think the picture in our head can actually lead us into a really weird spot and it actually limits all the opportunities in front of us. I mean, growing up as a kid, I never thought I would be in enterprise software. Like that picture of the head just didn't seem what it is. You know, I'll never forget D Wade's quote, right when we, you know, obviously we're hoping

for, you know, the draft lottery and everything came out. And, you know, his quote right away is like, hey, there's been a lot of killer players picked at number five, you know, back right away is like, hey, there's been a lot of killer players picked at number five You know back at where he was and so I think look it's natural for people to be uncomfortable I think you went down the entire draft board and you're like, okay, where's everyone's preferred destination? It's probably not the right move for them where they think it is in their head because everything I've had in my life That's good. It has never been the picture I had in my head It's actually always kind of uncommon sense, where it comes out and it's like, Oh, that'll make sense. And all you want is the ability to accomplish everything and not

be held back. And that's what that's what all these guys are going to get in Utah. Let's not talk about it. By the way, and by the way, I mean, like, this, this little, this little view. Yeah, yeah. Like, if that's not good for your mental to get locked in to go to go reach out for something where the air is thin. Yeah, I don't know what else like, like, the word we're in the picture business here. Yeah, you postcards postcards brother, a

lot of those. Yeah you got the mountains in a mountain resort view on one side, then you got 2,000 pairs of J's on the other side. Utah baby, lake over there. We got a basketball operation. Yeah it is a great lake. We do. No it's not a great lake. Great lakes are on our side of the country. Yeah exactly. Okay let's say yeah, please homes brother, homes. Thank you. No problem that's Michigan right there. That, exactly. Okay, yeah. Please. Homes, brother. Homes. Thank you. No problem. That's Michigan right there. That's right. I'll shout out to Erie too, you know, one fishing up there in Lake Erie. Superior's a big son of a bitch. Oh yeah. Big. That's a big, that's a great lake right there. Ontario and Huron though, they hold up there under the bargain because you can't spell homes without

ho right there. That's right. So that's why we got the Great Lakes on our side. You understand it, Ryan. You got good lakes over there. You got good lakes. You got good. All right, let's move on. Let's move on. I think ace is going to love Utah is all I'm saying. And I think you're like, uh, if I was going to be a professional athlete, you would be the owner that I would or style of owner that I would want to play. You are fully invested on that note. Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Ryan, how difficult is it having to kind of split your time with obviously when you have the draft you have all that prep and then you're also looking at different acquisitions and different players to bring in and on the flip

side of it you also have to address everything going on with the mammoth. Like I know you've said to us you're not really that the hands-on guy who's going gonna be involved in every decision and want your fingerprint all over it. But how difficult is it really kind of properly dividing your time between both your teams when you're trying to make both teams better before next season? Yeah, it's like a two-game parlay. You're trying to hit it all every night.

Like, it's hard. I think just like your guys' world, you gotta pick your spots and you gotta try to figure out how it's hard. I think I think just like your guys's world You got it. You got to pick your spots and you got to try to figure out how it all works There's no real playbook. I think people ask you like hey, how are you gonna be? So, you know last night was an interesting one. I'm in that draft room right there, right? Like what is my role there and my role in My mind is is very simple. I'm there to support them. Like I've never seen a business

that has so much revisionist history because every organization last night with 30 picks all were clapping for the guy that they got. We got our guy. And then five years from now, everyone's gonna look back and be like, I can't believe we didn't get the guy one up or one below or we got luck. We were lucky.

And my role here is to let Austin know and DA and coach, we're riding and dying together. I'm in it with you. There's gonna be no revisionist history. We're making that decision. We're gonna be in it together. I'm gonna look back. I was in the room and I'm here to support you. We're gonna win some. We're gonna lose some. We're gonna to be in it together. I'm going to look back. I was in the room and I'm here to support you.

We're going to win some. We're going to lose some. We're going to be aggressive. I'd rather have you swinging. You know, we've never had a championship in Utah. We're not going to tip toe into that. We're going to miss some. That's fine.

But I want you to know that I'm here in that hard moment to validate. I'm not in there telling them how to do their job. Although last night it was interesting because I'm sitting at that table, we're in the middle of, my phone rings. And everyone's phones ringing on the clock and everything and they're like, why are you taking a call? And it was, you know, it was,

it was Terry Pagula from the Sabres going, hey, there's a hockey deal going on right now. Are you involved in this? Is this for real? What's going on? That's him again. And I was like, yeah, I think this is going, everyone's kind of looking at me going like, why aren't you on the call? It's like, hey, like, don't worry about it. But like, you just kind of blend it all together. And then my family's sitting back there and our friends are there.

and then my family's sitting back there and our friends are there like like there's no real separation it's just pulling it all into one organization I think that's one of the benefits we have in Utah where we we do have the same ownership structure in both organizations it is the same arena in and it's easy to kind of put on one broader hat and hire really smart people that my job's to support and get out of their way, but also let them do the job. Let them feel comfortable. Let them take the risk and know that it's a safe place and we're not expecting perfection.

Knowing that your owner is invested financially and also wanting to win is a huge deal for the fan base. I assume the Jazz and the Mammoth have fans have told you that but also hiring smart people and letting them do their job and execute their vision is also something all fans want their owners to do. Now let's talk about the people that you've hired. Bill Armstrong over there for the Mammoth right? Isn't that accurate? Yeah. He's the GM that did the deal whenever Pagula called you and said hey are you in on this? I got Bill Armstrong.

What are you? You talked to Bill Armstrong there. People around the hockey world say, great trade here for the Utah Mammoth. Now granted, I think you signed him to a deal immediately and some people were questioning the contract details, whatever that is. But getting JJ to your team, I think everybody in the hockey world was like, good move. How do you feel about the move? And what should we view,

how should we view the Mammoth over the next few years? Yeah, so, I mean, first of all, this is bittersweet because Kesselring and Doan are amazing humans. And, you know, they're both young. And, you know, it's obviously what Buffalo wanted. I think we, I mean, I think to take a next step for us, we need a little bit more scoring on that front line. We got a left winger and now we have four guys on our team

under the age of 26 that are 60 point guys. And hopefully it gets better. Three of them are under 23. I think that's really encouraging if I look out for the Mammoth. But once again, Cass and Doner were huge in our first season. They handled the transition, the move, they rallied. There's a lot of leaders on these teams.

And so it's a little bittersweet, but it's a move we gotta make. And when it was brought to me with the recommendation it was it was something that that we were pretty excited about just because of the potential and the upside of Feeling that that was one of our big offseason Desires and to have it come I don't think we saw it coming this way But I think it's good news for for for mammoth fans and you know, I've we saw it coming this way, but I think it's good news for Mammoth fans and you know. I've looked into it a little bit. There's good years ahead.

I've looked into it a little bit. They talked about the money that JJ is getting now and I thought about you as an owner, you know, and I don't remember if we've ever chatted about it, but the NBA money and the NHL money is crazy. Sidney Crosby just signed for $8.7 million a year. They $8.7 million. year. $8.7 million. That's like three weeks pay for some of the NBA guys. You know, and I'm not saying that it isn't warranted.

Like you get whatever you need. You get whatever money you can get. But for you, has that been an interesting experience in the NHL? Like, hey, I am used to spending money on the most valuable assets of the entire franchise, which is the players. Is that been interesting for you with Bill Armstrong? I mean, it's all within a cap system. And I think, you know, we've got, you know,

we brought Bill in, we hired Chris Armstrong. So we have two, two Armstrongs that are in there. Two angels, two Armstrongs. Two Armstrongs, two angels. They're not related though, but like Chris, Chris is someone that I've worked with for a long time and you know I would say his job is present. One of his jobs is to get me really comfortable and then work with Bill together and to say

hey you know how's this going to play out? I mean we still don't even have a full arena yet from a seating standpoint and we're under massive renovation right there. There's a video out there. I mean we're trying to do something that really hasn't been done from a Basketball hockey arena to make it super intimate like we have in hoops, which you guys have seen but also have it be able to almost Expand like an accordion for hockey and let's arenas Two years to build out what you're doing

It's gonna be two years But there's there's new technology with seating where it's almost like you can press a button and it's like, hey, go to two, come back to one, as opposed to most arenas start off wide and then they come in for kind of that moment. We want to stay in the the best, most intimate basketball arena in the NBA but be able to press a button and kind of go out to maintain that same intimacy for hockey. And so we've been working on this, that'll be full. But we're trying to be aggressive, but also plan for the future. We're very, very close. We were close to getting to the playoffs this year.

And honestly, it was pretty storybook to, yeah, I mean, the second the season in, we put a crane on that floor and it's not coming out till the second we start. I mean, it's pretty massive what we're doing here. Yeah, yeah, it feels like it. It's a mammoth undertaking. Yeah, it's for Tusca, Tusca, Tusca. Did you walk in there with your hard hat on?

Did you do the whole hard hat photo shoot? You're not going in there with your hard hat on? Did you do the whole hard hat photo shoot? You're not going in there without a hard hat. Yeah, but did you do the photo shoot with the scissors on the thing to break ground or the shovel to break ground? Did you do that whole thing? I'm gonna be honest, by the time the season was over, that thing was gated and we just moved faster in Utah. No, you gotta do the shovel thing. We just went. Now Utah. No, you gotta

Know we'll do a shovel when we kick it off and you guys are there hosting opening night when that thing's done but you know look I think I Had an interview a reporter question from Canadian television asked me once how I thought about the cap going up in hockey Yes, and like oh it was going up 10% or what was going to happen And I was like as opposed to what I mean We're kind of used to that in the NBA where it kind of increases at a level which is a big jump But look, I mean what the NHL is doing and where it's going You guys are seeing that you guys covered it. You were early to the beat there It's on a heater. It's absolutely on a heater. And I don't see this thing slowing down

because the world very, very easily relates to the teamwork and what they're seeing on the ice and the way they go and, you know, even the celebrations like we're watching and it's a pretty cool thing to be a part of. And to be able to bring that to Utah, you know, it's probably one of the coolest things I've ever been a part of. Yeah, I'm happy you're getting part of the hockey world, you know?

Like I think you wanted to bring a hockey team to Utah because you knew Utah would love a hockey team. Like I think that's what you did. Then I think as you started learning about hockey more and more, you know, it started feeling like you started becoming like, oh, this is a sport that I'm very very much Love and in car have a lot in common with because how about them just fighting? How about it like it's so old school in there like hey you you want to disrespect my friend sweet

I will see you center ice in about two periods So we will handle this entire thing and then the speed and the the talent it's it's a fantastic sport you're and then they're taking one night off and playing again you're like wait a minute shouldn't they just play next Sunday no no we got 84 games coming allegedly now on that note car has a question for you yeah Ryan new proposed CBA for the NHL patches mentioned it 84 game season the max six year deals for free agents no dress codes no dress codes which is ridiculous let the boys put sandals on Ryan yeah please the long-term IR which has been a very kind of priority for some of these teams to win

is to use that long-term IR I know people in Florida were upset because Echblad goes on the 20 game suspense and they get new players that happen with the Golden Knights. It's happened with Tampa Bay Lightning, with Kucherov. It's happened forever. That's another thing they're thinking about changing. What is kind of the main things of this new proposed CBA? Is it locked in for 84 games here? And what do you think?

How is it going to change the game? Yeah. And like, I don't know how it's all going to kind of shake out, but I, you know, right when I came in, I, I had like three or four different owners and managers at NHL call and be like, dude, we got to keep the suits. The dress codes got to stay the way it is. Really? I know you're, I know you're a big hoodie guy but like don't, don't, like we got one thing and I've actually grown to love the suits. Like I love the look, I love

the culture, you know it's game time, you know when it's coming, there's something about it, right? And so we'll see how it all, I'm sure it's a lot of work for the guys but we'll see how all this shakes out. I mean 84 games, it's incredible, it's a lot of work for the guys, but we'll see how all this shakes out. I mean, 84 games, it's incredible. It's incredible what they do, how physical it is, diving in front of pucks, doing that. I mean, these are real athletes and they go hard and they go a lot. And I think we're going to see. I think they're in the middle of it where, you know, it's kind of a template and we'll see where it all shakes out.

I mean, I think I'm too much on it. Yeah. Okay, cause whenever I read this on the thing on the bottom of the photo, it said, major potential changes in next NHL, NHLPA, CBA. But then in the tweet it says, could be announced tomorrow per Frank Saravoli, so then so it's kind of conflicting like if this is potential

But then it could be announced tomorrow that sounds like there's an agree to terms then We haven't voted on anything yet. Okay. All right. That's good piece information. All right, so we haven't voted on anything We're getting close. We'll see how it all shakes out Whatever the case, hockey is gonna remain awesome, and we appreciate how great of an honor you have been for the Utah Jazz and the Mammoth thus far, and how cool you've been to us. We appreciate the hell out of you. No, you guys are awesome. Congrats on all the success fellows, and congrats on the run at Indy, man. It was fun watching.

It was. How about Simon? He was the man. I wanted one for her be a little bit. I'm not going to lie. I ran into him backstage or back court, I guess you would call it. In the tunnel. In the tunnel of the arena. After we won the Eastern Conference finals, I think, and he was just walking smiling. They were on his way somewhere and just in a suit coat, you know, sport coat walking. Happy, he has sunglasses they might be sunglasses glasses tinted glasses a little bit he's walking through and I go mr. Simon my name is a Pat McAfee congratulations or whatever he goes Pat thank you and I said congratulations man I was like I get a selfie with you goes

absolutely and he turns me and my wife take a selfie with him and he goes all right I'm gonna go celebrate and he turns around walks away I was like I get a selfie with you goes absolutely and he turns me and my wife take a selfie with him And he goes alright. I'm gonna go celebrate and he turns while walks away. I'm like this He's awesome. He's older. That's that's my guy. That's my guy like every all-star I I just like I sit next to her but I was like you are a G You are like he's 90 years old like he just wants to hang and I'm I want as much time with that guy as I can get. What an amazing human. All-famer. Super vibes out of that guy.

I mean like super vibes, not just like kind of, he's 90. It was like, this guy is amazing. All right, we appreciate you, Ryan. Good luck with everything. Hey. We'll see ya. Hey.

Toss up. Can you go over here? Foxy, can you go over here? Toss up. Let's go. Toss up. Ryan Smith, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah Can you go over here? Pass on us go pass on Ryan Smith I want to do it. I don't know. I think maybe he doesn't want it cuz he's a big let's see what the people say Yeah, I remember at Qualtrics survey. We'll have spoken

Yeah, I think I think there has been a contingency of people that spoke But I think he doesn't want to force anything either. He's very much like let it happen We'll see how it will see how it all shakes up'll see how it we'll see how it all shakes up You know, we'll see how it all I let the guys do their jobs, too I like you said I'm in the room. Certainly. I am there. Hey, listen, I'm here to support you and five years from now I won't be judging your decision because I was there whenever we were all in there We actually just had one of these conversations In the think tank over there about a decision that was made by me like years ago

That we look back on it goes so stupid. That was a bad decision It was like but in the moment in the moment it was a felt like a good one. Mm-hmm, and that's life You're gonna keep going. That's an American dream story, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, I believe it dropped out of high school something like that It's like an outlaw because they started in his basement. It was he was like an outlaw Well law Mormon he was and then he just surveys and then he started pounding pavement with these surveys and then he like showcased the companies They're like you can do like the original surveys and I think it's hard in the digital age Because we all hate surveys

We all know of surveys but when surveys like first became like a thing people would be walking off an airplane and they'd be like Hey, would you take five minutes to do this and we'll give you a five minute gift card or five dollar gift Card or something like that for the future sure no problem And then you get like a thousand of those filled out and then I think you show the company like hey This is what your customers are literally saying and they'd you like change businesses like the Qualtrics people and then he sold that thing twice Billions one time yeah still owner get a little bit more back Sell it again still Still own it. Buy the Utah Jazz.

Still own it. Buy the Utah Manif. Utah Hockey Club. It's like he's 48 or something. Crazy. Beast. 48 years old. Was not born a billionaire.

This is not like family money. He created the money alongside a lot of great people. I'm not saying that he didn't have a great team, but it's like he's doing everything that like You know a lot of little boys dream of like, uh, he grew up pooping in utah in salt lake city Love the utah jazz owns utah jazz. Yeah Like I love the state of utah. How do we give it gotta get a hockey team here like it is hope they win That's a hell of a story over there. What's that? I said I hope they win. Yeah, me too. Utah Jazz not good this year Nah, they haven't been good for a little while now. Yeah, I think the Mammoth, you know

I mean what we've seen in the NHL like with these newer 10 grand They're not an expansion team, but like they're obviously you know, they could be good next year He said it they almost made the playoffs this last year. Expansion team Better option in the NHL. Nick, correct me if I'm wrong. Expansion team, because you can get like vets from other teams. Whenever you buy a team like the Phoenix Coyotes, who move up to Utah to become the Utah Hockey Club, now the Utah Mammoth, you pick up their entire building basically, right? Isn't that kind of how it is? So you already have the roster set as opposed to being able to build your own roster with a plethora of veterans that are on big contracts that you can potentially sign right Nick certainly a lot more flexibility with the expansion options But Ryan got a great opportunity here because of that tweet

We just had up on the screen there where the youth a couple of those guys Cooley was a draft pick Gunter and Keller were already on the team now They trade and add Piterka like they've got a really good situation going on Utah young young team Gunter Yeah, going through the dog as we get who's the Pittsburgh boy? There's a Pittsburgh ball in this team Logan Cooley That'd be about you. They're out there Go on Cooley go on Cooley. All right, let's turn our attention back to the NBA Obviously the NBA draft was last night and there was a little bit of a different experience during this NBA draft than there had been in the past. My friend Shams was the tip in every single pick, was he?

What's it asking about? Ladies and gentlemen, Shams Shurwayan. Shams, how you doing buddy? I'm doing great. I'm doing great. My head is kind of spinning. We got second round of the NBA draft tonight. I'm actually even getting ready for free agency coming up in a few days so we have a few different things on the docket right now we're wrapping our minds around. Oh we about to do the whole Shom's screen time post is that coming soon? Is the Shom's screen time post coming? That's likely I feel like that's likely I think I think the people want to see the June 30th and July 1 screen times but if they don't want to see it we won't we usually

give the people what they want. Alright let's talk about what the people didn't see last night it was noticeable I live on X you were trending while not being active on X because you weren't tipping picks a lot of great tweets about Shams not tipping picks last night. Just the way the internet has the ability, more specifically, uh, MBA Twitter. Okay. I guess that's sure. That's not the name. Uh, and that is the best Twitter.

Let's not even get into it, but that's neither here nor there. They had a field day with the Shams not tipping pick. Then all of a sudden pick 11, we're getting tipped picks now with trades now we're getting with trades what was your experience last night because with all of us who are friends of yours and followers of yours it was a little bit different and people noticed it was hard it was it was hard you know knowing the picks in five minutes in advance sir no no one the knowing what's happening in different places well before, it was hard.

It was definitely unlike past years for me. There's no doubt about it. There were times I was like, you know, I just, you know. Let me fire one of these off. Let me fire one. Yeah. But, you know, I think this year I took the approach of being a good teammate and being a good partner for the people that I'm around, the people that I work with on a daily

basis, by approaching it and not tipping the picks. But trades, though, are different, Pat. Trades, they get processed. It's a totally different element of the draft. And so, to me, keeping our broadcasts as up to date as possible on which pick is going where, you know, that, and if, and if a trade is processed, it is my job to report that. So to me, you know, I think I handled it, you know, the best I could, you know,

I thought you did very well, by the way, I thought you did very well. And you talked about being a good partner and a good teammate and everything like that We run the draft spectacular and we for a very long time as soon as somebody on the internet Uh reported what the pick was we would just be like, yep. Here's the pick because we're on the internet You know like that is this is what how business is being done on the internet then, you know Once we start our show being licensed through espPN and then the NFL gives us a spot at the draft and it's like the ESPN production people are building the set, the NFL

gave us the location. It's like in the NFL in the past has been like hey could you please you know we kind of want that to be a big deal you know whenever you and all the other insiders that have probably been given the same speech are like, hey, don't please don't tip the picks. They all talk shit on everybody tipping picks. So I can understand the pressure that you had on you yesterday and the decision making because I literally had to, we literally had to make that decision. Like that is something we had to do because it's like, we did NFL picks on the show. Yeah, years ago you were cracking. Yeah, yeah. 2020 I was, I was getting in the mix there at COVID. Yeah, I remember that. cracking. Yeah. Yeah. 2020 I was, I was getting in the mix

there at COVID. Yeah. I remember that. It's tough though, cause you do want to be a good teammate. Like you do want to be for us, like we would like to be a good teammate for the NFL. Like we respect the NFL. So whenever the NFL was like, Hey, is there any way, you know, cause a, every other broadcast partner we have is getting pissed at us that, you know, you're doing that. Eight picks ahead. That you can, they can't, we don't let them do it. But also like, don't you think that this is a bigger moment if it just happens? And I'm like, yes, if it, yeah, I do, I do think that is the case. So that was like an easy gift.

I think you did the right thing. And then whenever you're reporting the trades, we did get a little, we got some tips, you know, we got some tips picks. So I think you did great last night, Shams. Now, with that being said, what were some of the big storylines of last night? Obviously, Ace Bailey goes five to Utah. We just talked to Ryan Smith. Is that the biggest takeaway from last night or what is it in your eyes from what everybody is talking about? There are a few. For sure, we can start with Utah. Ace Bailey going at five.

You know what's crazy? A few days before the draft, I actually heard Ace Bailey that that was the spot he was destined to go. And then, you know, but classic. Like in the NFL, I'm sure it's the same way. Smoke screens, you hear this. It's like every single day it's a new rumor. You hear, oh no, he's actually, he's in Washington. He's actually going to go to North.

Like I heard everything in the book, but I did trust the person I heard that from. But you know, I went into the draft,, eyes wide open, we'll see what happens. I think I picked four and five. There were a lot of conversations about moving back, moving up, things of that sort. None of that happened. And once Ace Bailey got to five, I wasn't really that surprised. Ace Bailey had a very, I think an unorthodox process, but it's not a totally different process. It's not the first time a player and his representatives chose to handle it and really shield him and

keep it private and kind of throw different smoke screens in their own way out there to shield his process. And whether he got to where he wanted to or not, what I was told going into Draft Night was that he was very comfortable with his process. He was very comfortable with the fact that no matter what he does, whether he works out with teams or doesn't work out with teams, whether he's a good Samaritan or isn't a good Samaritan in the team pre-draft form, he's going to go somewhere between 3 and 8. And that's exactly what happened.

He ends up going 5 to the Utah Jazz. They're thrilled. And I think them getting Walter Clayton Jr., I'm sure Ryan Smith and that's exactly what happened. He ends up going 5 to the Utah Jazz. They're thrilled and I think them getting Walter Clayton Jr., I'm sure Ryan Smith and that organization is through the roof because you get those two guys, competitors, shot makers, shot creators, those are two good gets. Atlanta is another team, I think a big winner not only of the draft but this week getting Kristaps Porzingis earlier in the week. If he's healthy and he's good to go, that is a massive get. He became really an indispensable part of the Celtics and their championship team in 2024, and that's a big get for them if he's healthy. And then, yeah,

that's a great tweet by Bobby Marks. Shout out Bobby Marks, my teammate. And then last night, they moved back 10 draft slots and they end up with an unprotected first round pick of the best favorable out of Milwaukee or New Orleans. Given the uncertainty around both of those teams, and I don't know where either team is going to finish, one of those picks might end up being a high pick. And if it is, Atlanta essentially moved back 10 slots and then gets another lottery pick next year potentially. So that was some shrewd movement by their new general manager, Ansi Salah.

But I think Atlanta overall has to be looking at themselves pretty good right now and they've got a 25.3 million dollar trade player exception. I do anticipate them using that. Either they're going to take in contracts with draft picks and assets or they could get a game-changing player at that salary slot. Okay so let's talk about Joe Dumars who's the general manager of the Pelicans doing that trade. I believe Bill Simmons said it was worst trade he's ever seen in professional sports I think is something along that line. Yeah in the last decade. Huh? Last decade. Okay in the last decade is what Bill Simmons said. He's followed basketball.

Obviously, he's a basketball guy. I don't know the business of the NBA as well. I know they don't care about picks, but they do care about picks. So much so that they'll move up 10 spots to draft somebody, Derek Queen, dog. Ball player. Absolute dog, by the way. Great player. How can you judge that?

What if he ends up being a Hall of Famer? What if he ends up being a perennial All-Star? Then no one is going to be talking about this in three years. So clearly, Joe Dumars, Troy Weaver, that organization, they felt very confident in the player that Derek Queen is. Only time will tell exactly how that is. But again, from the Atlanta perspective, they clearly were fine moving back 10 slots and then they get an extra asset.

So for them, that is looked at as a net positive. For the Pelicans, it's all about how Derek Queen ends up, how he develops, what is he like in his NBA career? And to me, it's too early to judge whether they won or lost. If next year's pick ends up being a lottery pick, but Derek Queen ends up being a perennial All-Star caliber player, are we really having a conversation? I don't know. Ten picks in the middle of the first round were worthy of an unprotected first round pick next year. I don't know what the right play is and what the history says in the NBA,

but I do know they'll trade the 20-41 number one overall like that. They'll do that for like the ninth man off the bench. So the NBA is certainly an interesting place. Go ahead time I was just gonna say like that's that would be the devil's advocate, right? It's like why would you trade this unprotected pick that could potentially be a lottery pick when you could just be like, hey We'll give you a 2035 and 2036 first round picks and then a couple second round picks Let's get new GM down at the Hawks. I don't play those games. Yeah. Okay. I need that thing right now Unleaded. Yeah, okay. I need go ahead Connor. Yeah Sean as you mentioned the next steps the free agency starting pretty soon here after The draft and you mentioned cominga being a guy that the Miami Heat are looking at are there any other big names?

Nas Reed I know is a guy that most teams want I'm pretty sure. What is kind of the next thing after the draft? Or is it the Yanis trade? Is that happening? Well, I think the Yanis situation, we'll see. A lot of us observing this week, draft week, free agency week, what can the Bucs do to get better?

So that's a little bit in the distance. But as far as what we have in front of us, there's only one team of significant castways. That's the Brooklyn Nets. That organization led by Sean Marshall, general manager, what they're doing is retooling younger. They used five draft picks last night. That gives you a window into what they're trying to accomplish. They're continuing to build on a young timeline there. So they have a ton of cap space.

They got Terrence Mann, they got a first Sean pick. I think continue to take on salaries, getting assets. That'll be a focal point of what they're working on there. But the fact that they're the only team with cap space, that means there's a whole lot of free agents right now. James Harden, Nas Reid, Julius Reppel. LeBron James has a player option. He has a deadline of that. I believe on Sunday, there's a bunch of player option decisions on Sunday. So I think what we're going to see is a lot of free agents are either going to resign with their teams, work on sign-in trades because there's only one team with significant cap space.

So I definitely am tracking. Let's see what happens with LeBron James player option. I said on our show in Indy actually our first show we did Outside game bridge it's likely still is likely LeBron James opting into his player option just under 53 million dollars But he has until Sunday to make that decision And then there'll be a host of other players making similar decisions on Sunday Well, good luck to LeBron deciding whether or not he wants 53 million. Uh, you've already bought it.

Just give him back. There's a lot of players that have that option this weekend. I'll be excited to see, uh, who goes where. Let's talk about the Phoenix suns. They acquire, uh, two centers in a matter of 10 minutes or something along those lines. Yeah. It was, this might've been the other shock

of the draft. So, come on, Malawatch. Come on, Malawatch. Come on, Malawatch. I think I'm not gonna lie, I think I botched it a couple times. Sorry, come on, Malawatch, I get it. Come on.

Come on, Choms. It's come on, Malawatch. Seems like a great, great kid. All I hear around the league is he's got a high character. So shout out, come on, Malawatch seems like a great, great kid. All I hear around the league is he's got a high character. So shout out, come on, Malawatch. So when he, you know, a lot of people thought he was going to go between seven and nine. And once he fell to 10, I think the sons were looking at it like we never expected this kid to fall to us at 10.

And at the same time, kind of working on this Mark Williams trade. And so both things kind of developed really quick within minutes of each other. And you think about the Suns, last year they had massive front court issues. Yusuf Nerkic, Nick Richards at center, he played a much bigger role. He actually was their most, I think, consistent presence at center, but they had Mason Plumlee there. So that was clearly a position of need. So to be able to get two guys with high upside, who knows, maybe one of these guys develops a three point shot or develops some kind of outside game that maybe allows you to play

them both together, but they clearly addressed their need. And Kamau Malawas, no one expected him to drop at 10. There was actually conversations. I thought the Suns were going to move the 10th overall pick and potentially move back. They were in conversations with a couple teams to potentially move back, but they end up drafting at 10. And now they go from like having massive issues at the center position to having two guys with really high upside.

Okay. We got about a minute before a hard out, actual minute. Any expectations for tonight So the first pick of the second round tonight number 31 Minnesota's in some roles I'm told that pick is actually currently in the process of being auctioned off to the highest bidder So there's multiple offers coming in to the rules multiple future assets Potentially, and so they're gonna continue to have those conversations

the draft is several hours away tonight. So just leading off the draft tonight, that first pick tonight, likely seems to be their serious traction on potentially trade there. Currently on the market, we can't wait to watch the second round, you doing the coverage again? I'll be on there, I'll be on there. So yes. Ladies and gentlemen, senior NBA insider at ESPN, senior Shams Charanya.

What an answer. Yeah, pretty good. I mean the internet was hot last night. Where's Shams? We don't get his tweets or would just take the night off this guy? Yeah. What are we doing? This is his night. Where's Shams? We don't get his tweets or... We just... Just take the night off this guy? Yeah. What are we doing? This is his night. How about him saying, it was hard? Yeah. Oh, there he is. Oh, he's gone.

And he's in the background. And he's... See ya, Shams. Tonight will be his night. Oh, yeah. First picks up for grabs. In 1979, the first words spoken on ESPN weren't just an announcement. They were a sports prophecy. And right now, you're standing on the edge of tomorrow.

This fall, the next era of ESPN begins. Sports forever. Sports are happening and obviously the NBA's second round of its annual draft will take place this evening. Last night's first round of the NBA had storylines in abundance. Jay Billis will be joining us who was on the NBA draft coverage in about eight minutes or so to chit chat about all things, uh, NBA draft. Uh, and also three Duke dudes in the top 10 of the NBA draft.

Congratulations to Duke who obviously celebrate that cannot wait to chat about what we should be looking forward to this evening and how are his thoughts on everything? Haven't talked to Jay Billis in a long time Yeah, it's been a long time right about a year this time. Yes, beautiful day here in Indianapolis until the show started then Thunderstorms, I guess just dropped into our atmosphere out of nowhere Foxy's got a super cool Bronco sweet It's Bronco so close one first Broncos whenever they relisted Broncos for sale Foxy bought one of the first ones We're talking the prototype of the new Bronco coming out and that Broncos for sale, Foxy bought one of the first ones. We're talking the prototype of the new Bronco coming out.

And that thing obviously has the ability to take top off. Sure. It's a Bronco. Get some sun. Take the rag top down so your hair can blow. Bronco. You know, that's basically what Foxy does. Bingo.

So anytime Foxy gets the opportunity to let that beard breathe, put some sunglasses on, let that hair in that Bronco, right hand on the steering wheel, left hand out the window. Anytime he has a chance to do that, he's doing it. It's summertime baby. Not in northern Michigan, but in Indiana. Right. Loves it. Bingo. So this morning he pulls in here, top back, feels so good about the day. Cock of the walk. Well, we're going to have a nice little Thursday here, aren't we? Walks in, does his...

It's Thursday, okay? Thought it might have been Wednesday still. No, you're good. Every day is basically the same. Yeah. Foxy walks in here, says we're going to have a nice Thursday. We do the show. All of a sudden about halfway through that first hour we hear, k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k Outside I didn't know there was thunderstorms. I don't think anybody knew there were thunderstorms No, especially the guy that drove in here with the open top on his Bronco So what did the boys do D bone and talk one out there D bone laid on top of the bronc, right?

Yeah, he laid on top of the bronc I like cross kind of planked almost like right hand on the front right where the Passenger shotgun would be corner of the windshield the left hand where the driver windshield is, right foot on passenger, back passenger right corner, left foot on driver behind passenger, you get it, back superman. He held himself up like that planked, like that, screaming, blocking the right, and then talk went in there, put the top on bang. They came back in here. As we went to break, there was two soaked dogs that walked in.

It's raining out there. Talk says as he's actually dripping and then bone comes in. It's called the dog. Five, four. And then they explained to us that Foxy didn't put his top back up on every part here. And I asked Foxy, did you tell them to do that? Cause you knew that or did they notice it and go do it?

They noticed that one. Did that? That's good team culture. Yeah. Thank you. Good work, boys. That's awesome. They sack flush themselves out there.

Yeah, they did. Bone hasn't done a plank like that ever. No, no, no. And in crunch time, he had to do it. We know him, left tackle guard, crunch time, euchre, Trump, you know, whole thing. He's in there. Come on, Todd, I can't do it much longer.

That's amazing. Unbelievable. Thank you, boys. Hero move by them. It really was. Yeah, and I checked the weather this morning. It said perfectly sunny all day today But you're gonna get got sometimes and that's gonna happen. That's Indiana baby. Yeah, you don't like the weather just wait five minutes

Talks tables here at boss Connor at Ty Schmidt. I think it says a lot about our building Yeah, without a doubt without a night kidding me. I mean Bone to yeah, he doesn't have to work out for another year. Well I guess but I mean we've never seen bone sell out like that. Would you guys have done it? You two? No. Talk dirty! Hurry up! Get out there! Where's Mitt? Where's Mitt? Yeah I don't know. Dab was a piece of... Me and Tony would have won out there. Sure. Just would like to let everybody know. Tony would not have done it. I would have one out there sure just would like to let everybody know that I would have one out there for you

Hold on hold on for that bronco Honestly if 90 of the cars Out there had their sunroof open. I would argue yes for the bronco Which you could argue is damn near made to get wet. Okay, maybe that's what Foxy Bronco needed Was a little water inside that roof. I don't know if any of us are going out there Okay, we might not be the right we not be tough might not be telling right? Oh, no, come on I guess they just open the door D bud was not planking on top of that Bronco And also they didn't put the tops on right the tops aren't screwed in right now. So that thing's getting soaked I thought we had a nice hero story

We don't have a live shot this is a recording from what happened there obviously Close to putting a roof on that thing yet there are 35 40 seconds out there. Look at them lap boys. They're in the back boys. Should we get dolls? Should we get dolls? Boys, great work. Talks looking for the button to close the sucker. There we go. Hey, good find though. They go straight to the back.

I appreciate that. Wait a minute. Okay, it's like one of the door handle things where the hinge... Okay. No, they got it. I the door handle things where the hinge. Okay. Yeah. No, they got it. I think they matched it up there up top, didn't they? Yeah.

Yeah, they did. I think that one's flat with the hinge. Yeah, that was flush. They're tight. Yeah. In the middle I'm talking about, not the corners. Yeah. It's good enough.

Yeah. Oh no, it was better. They fucked it up. Yeah, I know. And now they're going to shut the doors, probably going to hit the window. Probably windows are broken right now. Yeah. That made it worse. I'll still buy them lunch though. They deserve it. I mean shocking good work boys. Thank you

It's weird I think it's gonna be direct. Oh, yeah God. It's built for tough. Don't worry about it. All right Let's move along coming to us live from an attic in Ohio He's a man who's a college football national champion a Super Bowl champion a Ryder Cup winner and a man who? He would have planked. Yeah, you would have no other option. No exactly If it was his truck, right ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawke Hawker we thought that he was potentially planking that entire thing turns out that was not the case kind of bummed out about that kind Of yeah, I mean I do like to see the recorded video. It is fun to watch them try to troubleshoot in real time but yeah, it made me think of

TC from what the first mission impossible when he drops down and maybe like thinking of D bone do that plank on all four posts That car that's what I was thinking of like in my head like a weird super advanced Pilates move that D bone When talk told us that that's what happened, I didn't really believe it. Just to be clear, I did not think D-Bone had his right hand on the windshield corner and his left hand. I didn't think, in my mind, immediately upon being told that, I was like, that doesn't sound real.

Then I went to the bathroom and I came back and he was drenched and his back was drenched. It was. So I was like, maybe he did become a pond up there. And turns out, nah, they were just as confused as all of us. That would have been insane. Foxy, you're fucked there, bud. It's okay. The entire interior. But if it's supposed to have its top back, everything should be good, right? Because they prepare for that type of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I had a Jeep. I had a Jeep that we forgot to put the top on, you know, numerous times. Because if you can't-

They're meant to get rained on, right? They're meant like, usually they're vinyl or whatever the seats are, you can wipe everything. It's good. A couple of boom booms in the back. Sure. Couple of the walls. Neither of them worked at the same time ever.

Okay. Which was really cool. But after the rain got on, neither of them worked. They were actually just kind of taking up space in the back. So there is some downfalls of just letting rain in your car But whenever a storm comes out of nowhere, what are you supposed to do? AJ did you watch the draft last night big night? Cooper flag officially a Dallas Maverick and now they're talking about the big D down there in Dallas

They got a lot of big dudes that play big defense for the Dallas Mavericks This is exactly what Nico had been talking about and we buried him We weren't the only ones, obviously. A lot of people buried Nico. I think people will still wait and see if Nico was right or if this was a decision that inevitably leads to the Mavericks never making it back to the finals

like they did with Luca literally the year before he decided to trade him away. I appreciate the fact that he's sticking to his guns and how he thinks he should build a team. And obviously, if you get the number one overall pick, a generational generational talent like Cooper Flagg you should feel pretty good about yourself. Yeah, I would say he feels pretty good about where he's at. 1.8% AJ. Yeah, that's what I'm saying like the fact that they got the pick alone is nuts to think about but it seems like they're doing, he's following his plan like when he kicks Luca you know out of the club and says see we don't need you anymore and everyone gets all pissed off at him like he has a

plan I didn't know if he anticipated getting the number one overall pick but it's pretty fortunate spot to be in. It certainly is and yeah he stuck to his guns hopefully it works for him people thought it was such a bad move that he was trying to tank the team instead it's complete opposite and Cooper Flagg is a dog that's the main event I saw Marty out in the Atlantic Ocean was he in the Atlantic Ocean Marty? I think so yeah I saw him on a boat mm-hmm I'm gonna tell you a story yeah he did and he definitely did then he was on land there for a little bit with the water is the

backdrop think that could have probably happened you know got the point across sure but I did like that he was out there yeah Marty's gonna hunt in lobster yeah he probably was looking for some lobster. Looking for some lobster. Maine's the lobster, the lobster state. Capital of lobster, yeah, would be Maine for sure. I've never been to Maine, I do not believe. Oh, it's beautiful. Me either. That's way upper.

Way up, gorgeous. Way up. Yeah, you're touching Canada. It's higher than where Sid was born. Yeah, it's higher than Sioux Falls, or whatever, no, not Sioux Falls. Alibaba. I don. Yeah, it's higher than Sioux Falls or whatever. No, not It's right up there. All right. We got some breaking news in the NFL our geography lessons are I'm just as pissed as the kid that got drafted to Toronto about now. I don't think I don't think that was Concair was pissed that he was going up. That's not his name, okay? There's so much to digest there.

I think that was like a... So there's a Bob Knight video about why the word... And there's gonna be a lot of just no sound here on ESPN, but YouTube and everywhere else will get to hear this. There's a Bob Knight video. There's a lot of Bob Knight videos, but there is a Bob Knight video about him off the record doing like a mic check,

explaining why fuck is his favorite word. And he breaks it down. You can say it whenever you're dismayed. Oh, fuck. Whenever you're mad, fuck you. When you're happy, oh, fuck. And you can use it in so many different, he literally goes on this full breakdown of the word and why it's his favorite word and they like literally just stops and they go

Okay, Mike's working or whatever and then he just move on and he has a golf lesson video that you need I mean, there's Bob. I love the golf video. That's a beautiful Yes, but that that more his favorite word one. I think there's a chance that he was like fuck like like a good Yeah, yeah, here we go I think there's a chance that he was like fuck like like a good And humans talk there's some humans I know not all cultures do this But there are some humans I happen to come from one of them We're like that word in other words are just like much more and Bob Knight says like much more Versatile than how some people kind of view them and it's already been proven that people that swear are considered more honest people and more intelligent people so I don't want to hear it from you people that are filtering yourself

all the time if you filter one thing how much thing are you filtering Dan Rolovsky you said mother fudging the other day we know what you wanted to say weirdo we that was we know in your head you said it and you made us say it so thanks so God heard you say it in your head on you something to think about with your mudging. Yeah, can't even get it out Anyways, I think it could have been a positive one. But boy Everybody's like this guy's thinking about Canadian taxes already. I think it was a relief one. Like that's my favorite is relief It's like a sigh Like it's all like I'm in the nba yeah you're right could have been

definitely could have been that one that tony just did sounded more like uh fuck i guess we gotta do this that's what i picked up the eye of the beholder he literally just said that what he was doing was relief yeah yeah but the sound of it this is like what colin morikawa said to that reporter yeah bingo hey the way you wrote that surely made it sound, well I didn't know. You were so focused. Your tone, my tone. We know what you were doing. I'm a call and go and wean. And then he had to take the high road. Then everybody was calling Morikawa out for that. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. It was like, Morikawa's the guy we're going after in that situation. Because he finally just said, hey, I don't like the way you painted me in that entire thing. I to do this this is a big part of

the whole PGA these sponsors two and a half hours on this is part of business brother that's what you see these tables they paid for me I love that I love the calm or cow fighting back I love the breakdown of one fuck while standing up after getting drafted into the NBA. I love the thought of Ace Bailey doesn't want to go to Utah, doesn't want to go to Utah. This is the last place he wanted to go was Utah. That's a narrative out of it. Is there any basketball narratives like, hey, these players fit in on these teams in a really good way. Joining us now is a man that will help us break that all down.

This man played center for Duke. Okay, don't you worry about it. You want the Duke, was a Duke, is a Duke. There's three Dukes drafted in the first 10 picks last night. Obviously a part of the college conversation in all sports, but more specifically basketball for ESPN. We've grown up with him on television. Ladies and gentlemen, Jay Billis. How you doing, Jay? Did you just call me old by saying you've grown up with me? Yeah, that's that's like the uh that's the way I slip it in, you know. That's how I slip it in there. But with that being said, you're aging wonderfully. Hey, you look young, Jay. You look young. Good moisturizer. I don't know. Good moisturizer. Good good teeth. You look great. Yeah, I guess if you call beer if you call beer moisturizing, right

Let's talk about last night three Duke guys go in the top 10 Obviously you have the blue Devils shirt on there We have a Duke fan who is a graphic designer who made this at 2 a.m Last night as quick as he possibly could what are your thoughts on the current Duke guys getting this much of a nod and why do you think the style of play is relating so well from Duke into the NBA in your eyes? Yeah I mean it's a good question I don't know that it's necessarily style of play as it is just the talent of these individual guys like Cooper Flagg he's the real deal like people ask like well what's so special about him?

It's like, dude, just watch. Um, he does everything and he's got a level of competitiveness that is on the upper tier of players that I've watched over the last 30 years. I'm not going to say he's the most competitive, but he's right up there with the most competitive that, that I right up there with the most competitive that I've seen. And with his size and athleticism and all the different things he can do on both ends of the floor, as long as he stays healthy, he's going to be a great NBA player. And then, Con Canipal can really shoot it.

He's got an elite NBA skill. He can really shoot the ball and the shot. He's not a an elite NBA athlete, but because he's got that shot credibility, you got to get out to him and he'll give you a shot fake and just drive right by and make a play off two feet. And he's tough. Like he's always around. He gets so many loose balls. You know, he wasn't like a top top 30 recruit. he was probably ranked in the in the 40s, maybe. But I know john shire, when he was recruiting, he said, I don't I don't care, like this guy is who I want. And he proved it. And then when flag was out during the ACC

tournament, if I remember right, he twists his ankle like in game one of the tournament and early on, you know, Kniepel stepped forward. He was the best player in the, in the tournament after flag was out. He averaged 21 a game. They won the tournament. Uh, and then Malowatch is, uh, is, you know, he's long, he's got like a seven, six wingspan, he's like a condor and, uh, and he had like 90 dunks on the season. 40 of them were lob dunks off pick and roll or out

of the dunker spot. And he's a high level offensive rebounder. And I don't know how you guys felt about all the crying last night. There was a ton of crying. But when some of these guys were crying when they got drafted, it was really moving, especially for him. He's from South Sudan. And I think some of our people that spend time interviewing,

not just like a post game or interview, but like Bobby Marks does these sit down interviews with these guys at the combine and preparing them for the draft. And he said in the years he's been doing that, that's the best interview he's ever had had just a tremendous kid. That's awesome. I cried on my draft day I was picked 222. I'm cool with it. It's a whole life's work, a dream coming true, but also an understanding that you have an opportunity now to kind of be talked about amongst the greatest of all time if you go and do your shit. It's a really emotional evening. I like that a lot more than though we're trying to judge whether or not a guy's happy that he's getting drafted to the place that he's getting drafted to.

You know what I mean? Do you agree, Jay? I do. I mean, you know, look, it's kind of a balancing act for a guy like me. So, you know, you don't want to sit up there and say every player's the greatest thing since sliced bread. But at the same time, you don't want to dump on them because it's a really important night. Like I don't want to dump on them, um, because it's a, it's a really important night. Like I look at draft night is kind of, okay, this for the players is a celebration of reaching a dream.

Now the day after the draft, they got to go out and deliver. Yeah. Like that, that's the way I look at it, but I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but at the same time, like you got it, you gotta be straightforward and say, okay This is what this guy does really well. This is what will make him a good NBA player But at the same time these are some of the issues he's got to overcome Yeah

Because not everybody's gonna be an all-star not everybody's gonna go to the Hall of Fame and sometimes, you know You get through the draft and some people say well, everybody's good You know, you have to you have to kind of balance it out and you try to do the best you can. Yeah, I understand. You got to give realistic expectations too, for the fan base as opposed to just expecting these. That's why like player comps are so tough.

When we do the draft, I hate when people do player comps because it's like, well, he's very similar to Tom Brady. It's like, where? Skin's white, he's tall. How about in between the years? What about like, you can't, it's tough to do those types of comparisons because the difference is here

Which we all kind of understand whatever it gets to professional sports or high-level sports to begin with and I don't think you can really Tell that you know, like you said Cooper flag is competitive edge Like I love to hear that like that is every great has had that like it feels like that is something that every great has Had and if you're wondering if somebody has It maybe they find it. Maybe they don't I think that's the biggest detail or determiner of bust or not That's an r-sport at least Jay. Yeah. No, it's the same but at least I think it's the same But you know Cooper flags the easy one, you know, like my first draft for ESPN was 2003 when LeBron was coming out. And like, you knew.

That's different. Like, you knew. That didn't take some basketball genius to figure that out. But to your earlier point, like, Vijay Edgecombe of Baylor, he's 19 years old. He's from the Bahamas. And on the player comp side, you're saying, like, I'm saying, OK, he reminds me of Victor Oladipo when he was 19 and Dwayne Wade when he was 19.

And I try to be intentional about saying, look, I'm not saying he's the Miami Heat Dwayne Wade yet, but at 19, you couldn't tell these two guys apart. You might even take Edgecomb because I think Edgecomb at 19 is probably better than Dwyane Wade was at 19. Now at 20, Dwyane Wade was the real deal. And you were going, man, this guy is going to be really good. But you do the best you can and most reasonable people will take it the right way. And some people run with it in the other direction. What are you going to do? You'll get quoted out of context, too. I mean, that's life these days.

Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Jay, in the second round, we hear people in the NFL draft, they talk about drafting like best available, the best available player on their board. What are these, like especially day two now, are you trying to, are these teams trying to find like the guy,

hey, this is the best talent? Are they trying to find someone that fits in with their team and their scheme and everything that they run? Yeah, that's a great question, AJ. Not that Pat's questions weren't equally great. I set the table for the great question. I think if you've got a player you think is the best available

and he's a great asset that you can you can use not only with your team or maybe there's value out in the marketplace for him, of course you take him. But I do think there's a component of fit in the second round. So you're looking for guys that have an NBA skill. So if it's like Chas Lanier from Tennessee who didn't go in the first round

and he's available in the second round, he can really shoot it. And he's got length and athleticism. But that shooting piece is really valuable. You don't need him to come in and be everything. You need him to come in there and make shots. Or if you've got a guy who's got size and is a big time shot blocker. Like I happen to think that the best available player to start the second round is a guy

named Rashir Fleming from St. Joseph's. And he's one of those three and D guys that's got these freakishly long arms. And he can guard multiple positions and he can knock down open shots. You don't need him to come in and be Scottie Pippen. You need to come in like like this is where you're finding guys that can play a role and help you win. And if it turns if somebody turns out to be dream on green, or you find like, this is where you're finding guys that can play a role and help you win. And if it turns, if somebody turns out to be dream on green or you find like,

I don't know that anybody thought that Nicola Jokic when he was drafted in the forties, his draft year was going to be the, at some point the best player in the world. He's referred to as the taco bell pick because we were in commercial and a taco bell commercial was when he was picked. We had to report the Taco Bell pick because we were in commercial and a Taco Bell commercial was playing when he was picked. And then we had to report the pick afterwards. Yeah. Like who knew?

Yeah. But, but you know, you're, you're maybe you'll hit a home run, but you're really trying to find a, a player that can help you not only now, but in the future and maybe can develop. And then a lot of these guys are gonna be two-way players There's gonna be some guys signed to standard contracts They're gonna be a number of guys in this track Maybe half the guys in the second round might be signed to two-way contracts where you know It's a it's a combination you can play like 45 days with the NBA team and the rest of your contracts g-league and they're there you know, those contracts are

Are obviously cost-effective, but then but then it helps the teams with roster management. Yeah, we saw Brawny do days in the G League go up. We've seen the two way players. Alex Caruso actually just talked about how Coach Daggs treats everybody from Shea to the two way players on the roster, the exact same, which is why he thinks they do such a good job. I think that's a good way to describe, you know alpha and omega of the entire team I believe from top to bottom from beginning to end in it Whenever you think about those role players, we're talking like Shepherd knee Smith TJ McConnell. Yeah, these are the guys we're talking about, right?

They're more vital than anything. I think especially if you watch these NBA playoffs. How many of these guys I Don't know if this is a good question Probably it depends draft to draft percentage of success of Guys in these drafts because I know like the top always does good and then there was are you talking about the? Second round pad or just overall first and second round as a whole like because I know like the top good But there for a while everybody from Europe was getting drafted. He'll be over here in like two three years It's like I don't even know what that means like what is percentage of hit rate out of the draft like how should we view it?

Yeah I think having a productive NBA career in the in the first round you're probably looking at I would venture to guess 60 70 percent that are gonna play multiple years and have have solid careers least. In the second round, it's more, it's probably flipped the other way and maybe 30% of the guys do. There aren't that many spots in the league. You got 15 roster spots plus a couple of two ways. So, I think the average length of a career is like four years and then you got some of these guys who played LeBron's been The league over 20 years and KD like 16 or 17 years, whatever it is It's crazy how long these guys play now when they're super talented and how they take care of their bodies

But I don't know like the miss rate. I think is high And not necessarily miss rate of a player who's gonna make the NBA or not. It's not a binary thing. But sometimes it's amazing how often you're going, I did not see Shea Gilder's Alexander. He was taking number 11 when he came out and 18, I think it was. And hands up all that we're saying he's a future MVP.

Just didn't see that. And other guys you think are going to be really good, and they turn out to be, they're good, but they don't scratch the greatness level. And you can sit and try to make ourselves feel better that your sport, you get four and five years to look at these guys, and there are still mistakes made. Basketball, you got, they're 18 and 19 but one thing to your

point about internationals and all that one thing you're seeing with NIL now players are not only going to college they're staying in college longer so that the second round is probably not I haven't like you know done this with a microscope but the second round this year is probably not as good as the second round like two or three years ago because a lot of second round picks are guys that would have come out two or three years ago or staying in school because they're going to make way more money to stay in school. So if they're not going to be first round picks, they're staying in. NIL for us is making the later rounds better because there's more players kind of coming out and staying longer. For basketball, it's interesting. Cause they got a lot of, hey, just quick off topic.

Connor was going to bring up NIO to you. We had a conversation earlier in the think tank. These big East teams that don't have a football team really. And with that revenue split, they're going to be right. And that doesn't that feel like quite an advantage with the way this revenue split thing is going? Yeah. I think it puts them in an advantageous position to be able to marshal more resources to acquire better talent.

Absolutely. And, you know, that's kind of the thing now is like people are going to have to make decisions like this current system with the $20.5 million cap under the house settlement is only gonna last for a certain amount of time. Like there's no way this lasts for longer than four or five years at the most. All this does is give the NCAA a chance to, it gives them some time to breathe without getting challenged in court so that they can come up with a long-term solution. Whether that's collective bargaining, I think that's collective bargaining,

I think that's one option. Try to figure out a way to collectively bargain with the players where you can get to a number that everybody's satisfied with. Or go to Congress and basically say to Congress, look, you told us to get our act together, we settled this case, we paid past damages, and we've got this framework. Take this framework as a settlement and make it law so that you can help protect us. But Pat, the one thing I think that maybe people aren't thinking about is if Congress comes in and they're going to limit the players, they're not going to let the coaches make the kind of money they're making. They're going to say, all right, you get a cap too now.

So, you know, head coach at Alabama, you're not getting 12 million while the players are getting limited. You're going to be limited too. And we're going to limit things across the board and make this a little more sane. I think that's a reasonable possibility that that could happen. So many potential lawsuits all the time in that whole thing. They're talking about a commission approving advertising deals. It's like, okay, go ahead and say no to one of those. That's a lawsuit immediately. That's just one.

They said there was already 135 things being presented to a commission that I don't even know if they know what they're doing yet. It's like, you can't turn down any of those unless they are given the power of law, which how does that even work in America? I don't even know. I don't even know how long that would take.

If you started that today, is that 10 years? Is that how long, you know, I don't even know I don't even know how long that would take I mean if you started that today would that was that ten years? Is that how long you know, isn't that kind of the way the world works with making laws in the ncaa? They're not like they're the titanic as well. They're not like the most nimble thing and then government not the most nimble I don't know the college shit every time we bring it up. I get worried about the future I don't know how you figure it out. I don't know how you figure it out. Jay Every time we bring it up, I get worried about the future. I don't know how you figure it out. I don't know how you figure it out, Jay. Yeah, I'm not worried about it.

Cause in my view, multi-billion dollar entertainment industries don't just fold up cause they have to pay their revenue drivers. That's not a problem. I get it that the coaches don't like it. The administrators don't like it because they had it a certain way for a long time.

And now, like the way I see it, everything's going to get a lot more efficient. You're not going to have as many jobs in administration. You're not going to see as many suits in team pictures because they're going to want to allocate that money to getting the best talent on the floor or on the field. So I think that'll shake out a certain way, but I'm not particularly worried about it. They'll figure it out because the amount of money that's being made, nobody wants that train to stop rolling.

And with all the complaining, and I get it, but not one game has been canceled and not one check has been late. Everything's rolling along just fine. It's just a little more difficult to keep your roster together. But if you wanna keep your players, like if you wanna keep players and not have them transfer,

then sign them the contracts, put a buyout in the contract, let's do this like the rest of normal American business. It's really not that difficult. Yeah, so allegedly that is a part of this ruling that just took place in California or whatever for the next four to five years. Hopefully that's able to settle it. And also a lot of these contracts that are given,

who knows if they're ever gonna be actually paid. I mean, there's a lot of fraudulent contract I mean, it's that's what I'm talking about is all the bullshit There's just so much bullshit kind of only outside of it. The product is so good to your point All right, let's get back to the draft. You talked about the taco bell pick Let's talk about another guy that we learned about last night. Go ahead Ty Schmidt Yeah, Jay when you look at some of the other leagues drafts I think you'll see teams reach every once in a while, but it's not crazy.

And then last night we saw Yang Hansen out of nowhere get picked 16th. He's sitting up in the cheap seats. In your experience, how often does this happen in the NBA where like a guy who kind of everyone pegged is like a mid second rounder all of a sudden goes just outside the lottery? Not very often. Good question. But I'll go back to the Nikola Jokic thing. So Jokic was drafted in the 40s when he came out of Serbia. And if it had been the same thing where Portland picks him number 16 and he walks out of the stands or he's not even there,

we'd probably be left scratching our heads going, wait a minute, I ranked this guy in the 40s. That's a reach and they probably would have taken some criticism, but they got the guy they wanted and look who he turned out to be. So my view is if you don't have to give anything up, if it's just this one pick and you know you want this guy, what difference does it make? Go ahead and get him. Why wait and why take the chance that somebody else is going to get him in the meantime if you're targeting him maybe in the second round where you had him slotted or where most people had him slotted?

The one that is more of a head scratcher to me was New Orleans. So New Orleans made a trade to get up to 13. They made a trade with Atlanta to go up and get Derek Queen from Maryland, big guy and good player. But in order to do that, they had to give up a first round draft pick next year that's unprotected, which means that that pick could turn out to be a top five pick. So that's the one you question was how much did you have to give up in order to get it like Portland got the guy they wanted but they didn't have to

trade anything to get it New Orleans had to trade something and and who knows like they believe in Derek Queen they they took Jeremiah Fears, number seven, and then Queen. So, you know, by itself, you're going, hey man, that's a good draft. But then you go, but look what they had to give up to get Derek Queen, is that worth it? And we're not gonna know for a while, but if that turns out next year to be like the number one pick,

they're gonna hear about it. Yes, for sure. And if Derek Queen lives up to what we all I think you watched him We got a chance to chat with him. Love his mentality. Love his answer He gave in the huddle, you know before the game winner shot what he said to his coach about giving me the ball Love his mentality. Love his ability. I think he had braces like real young. We're talking about like it being incredibly young You mentioned that about being 18 19 years old So obviously we hope it works out and if he ends up being a perennial all-star

Nothing will be said just like Nico down there in Dallas. He got murdered loud It was loud about how dumb this guy was. He's trying to tank the Mavericks This guy's the worst general manager in history He's got to deal with the league to make the Lakers better this guy who's the general manager of the Mavericks And then all of a sudden we're looking at the team going in next year's I wait a minute Nico had a vision here It seems like they might be able to have a team and they got a 1.8 percent chance of winning that lottery They win it. Maybe Nico's being blessed by the basketball gods

We never know until a few years down the road if Derek Queen's a guy They won't judge him if he's not is Dumar's guys gonna be called killed They said the worst Bill Simmons called it the worst trade in the all sports in the last decade I believe was this quote. It's like Bill was a NBA basketball guy He was the only one saying there's a lot now on a complete opposite on the spectrum a P tone has a question for you Jay, yeah, Jay real simple. Did you have a favorite pick from last night? That's a good question, I mean I well my favorite pick was Cooper flag Dylan Harper because they're the two best players I thought I thought okay see You know being defending champion got

Got a good pick. I can't remember. I think it's around 15 They took Thomas Sorber of Georgetown and he kind of fits their culture perfectly like I don't know how you guys feel about it watching Oklahoma City, but If if they don't have the best front office and basketball There's not a long roll call in that like Sam Prestes so smart and they draft talent But man they draft character and they got a guy in Sorber who's a you know shop locker kind of Interior, you know, lane presence. And I think he's got a chance to be very good.

But he's going to fit what they do. And I just like I got a chance to do a bunch of NBA games this year and I loved every second of it. But I loved watching Oklahoma City more than anybody just because of how hard they play together and in the way they guard. And to your point earlier, when you're talking to Caruso, who's a great dude, by the way, he like those guys, they never get too high or too low. And like Mark Degnault, if they win or lose, his whole thing is,

let's win the off days like we're not going to beat ourselves up over losing and we're not going to crown ourselves king over winning. You know, what did we learn from the last game? last games going to make us better in the next one and I mean, it's a it's a it's a really cool organization and Sorber I think fits their culture really well Yeah, yeah, in fact, it looks like they're gonna be good for a while though That's what it looks like as somebody that lives in Indianapolis, Indiana I think they'd say Presti and Pritchard and Bird over here in Indiana. Pretty good at putting teams together. First two teams to make the finals without hitting the luxury tax in the history of

the luxury tax being implemented. So you're talking about building a team the right way. Now decisions are gonna have to be made though, cuz once you start winning, that's when the money goes. So getting a young dog pivotal to the entire process. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Jay, what are your expectations for Cooper Flag in his rookie season? What do you think it looks like?

Is the team gonna be successful? Do they have to win for people to look like? I mean, it seems like a lot on this dude's shoulders, obviously number one pick, there's high expectations, but people are expecting him to average a triple double off the jump, I feel like. Well, he'll have some triple doubles. He won't average it because he won't need to.

The key for Dallas is gonna be, can they get Kyrie Irving back healthy kind of middle of the season? Like he had an ACL, so he's gonna be able to come back from that during the season if everything goes well. And like Flag's one of those guys, talking about like sort of his competitiveness,

his mentality, like he's not one of those guys that's gonna go into a game, you know, sort of his competitiveness, his mentality, like, he's not one of those guys that's going to go into a game thinking I'm going to get 25 in this one. I'm going to get a triple double. He really does think about, I'm going to make the right play. Oh no. And then he stacks the right play over and over again. And at the end of the game,

he may have 25 and 12 rebounds and six assists and, you know, three steals and a couple of blocks. That's kind of the way he's built. He's got this interesting, interesting combination of humility, like he doesn't think he knows it all. And he's going to be a member of a team and ego because he knows he's the best player. And like that's the like he's got a great ego. like coach K used to say all the time, not all the time, but he would like he wasn't interested in this thing

about check your ego at the door. He's like, no, bring your ego with you. Like your egos are great. But blend your ego in with the the we part of the team, like make your ego part of the team, all these egos blended together are really good and And flag kind of does that I don't want to say it's natural but but whether it's learned or natural he does that and He he's a he's a unique dude and they don't make them They don't make them that good very often not only athletically skill wise, but but his makeup as an athlete It's really impressive.

That ego quote from Coach K makes sense. Why Coach K is Coach K? Because that is such a better way to describe it than, we don't need an ego, right? It's like every guy that's a professional athlete has an ego. Every single one of them. Let's try to get these egos to be rowing

in the same direction, as opposed to stealing moxie or confidence from somebody. Cannot wait to watch Cooper. Cannot wait to watch Cooper, cannot wait to watch second round of the NBA draft. Are you on it tonight? Yeah, yeah, I'm on the, you know, I was a fifth round pick. So second round is still a dream for me. Okay, well, we can't wait to watch you live a dream, brother.

Ladies and gentlemen, Jay. Yay, Jay! That's awesome. Great skin. He said drinks beers. Teeth too. Oh yeah. I was around him, I think two times. Every time we've had, uh, I think I've had a jock and diet. He's had a beer, I believe every single time we've seen him. J football. I think it is J bill is football. He does game day obviously, he did game day for a long time,

he does game day for a long time. So a lot of the same people that do production stuff for football game day, also do basketball game day, they say he is a legendarily hilarious person. They say like, yeah, dry, it's all very, you know, but he's always, I guess great teammate. And then that coach K quote, awesome. AJ. That's so good. So good. Because it's such like an old cliche thing.

Oh, Chuck, you go out the door like especially basketball. You better have an ego because if you miss the first three threes you take, you better continue to put them up. You hear what Q Ridge saying, hey, I'm a shooter like if I miss the first seven, guess what? I'm still shooting eight, nine and ten because something that's eventually going to go in. You have to have delusional confidence and ego, I think, to play basketball.

It's kind of taught to you, I think, like, hey, this is how you're supposed to think because there's going to become bad days. It's like whenever you're a kicker, when I was doing my kicking stuff, they would tell stories of previous kickers after missing, asking to line up again and kick it again. These are like mantras, like, hey,

this is how you should be thinking as a kicker. This is the mindset you're gonna need to have. If a member of your team bets you that you'll miss, you always double it and say you'll make it. And then by the way, you make it. That is like kind of the basketball players, shooters more specific. It's like every shot's a best shot. Next shot's best shot. Does not matter. Golfers, I think the same exact thing. Especially you AJ. I mean AJ has an unflappable positivity whenever it comes to golf. I don't know if that's just your mindset, what you think other golfers should be,

but you have it because if you get into a slump in anything, basketball, golf, kicking, pitching, batting, it's all in between here. You know, normally it's you telling yourself that you're in the slump. So if you have somebody that's like, hey, you should be a little bit, yeah, we want you to walk in here with that. It's like, you're gonna need that probably at some point as well.

Well, and Cooper Flag too, like he's going to Dallas and Anthony Davis and Cooper Flag, they were a part of the whole entire Olympics training this summer, so if anybody knows how good Cooper Flagg is, not just from watching him or everyone talking about him, like Anthony Davis was in the gym with Cooper Flagg as they're getting ready for the Olympics. And Cooper Flagg is making moves on Kevin Durant and fall on his own rebound in Duncan.

So it's almost like, hey, the proof is in the pudding, of course, with college and all that. But like, Anthony Davis has been able to see Cooper Flag do this against legitimate NBA, some of the best players in the entire league. So if there's any ego from Cooper Flag, I bet Anthony Davis also, who was the number one pick to New Orleans, New Orleans also, that was during the time when, you know, they tried to trade Chris Paul, the Lakers conspiracy, of course. But still still if there's a guy that knows like hey

You don't need to check your ego because you are that good it'd probably be Anthony Davis and the guys in there I love that Nico might end up getting the last laugh. Yeah, I don't I'll be honest why I hate it I'm pro player like I hope Luca has a lot of success in LA as well but just the way the entire world responded just Shams tweet out. One response. Andy Davis wasn't even part of this thing. Andy Davis wasn't even part of it. It was Lucas with LeBron and then this guy's addiction. That was the two responses. And he got bailed out by Adam Silver in the Commission. Whether you believe that or not, like let's say you don't believe that fine

And I'm not saying I believe that per se Nico to me is still a dipshit He just got so lucky and whether you think it's luck or not Like if he didn't have Cooper flag and they let's say they were the third overall pick Yeah, and then they they draft ace Bailey and Ace Bailey doesn't want to go to Dallas. Oh, he wanted to go to Bendita. Yeah, of course. But something along those lines, like he got so lucky that that could be. We don't know yet. We don't know how it's worked out.

Nico said fortune favors the bold, brother. He did say that. Not a bad quote. He should be doing a lot of that. And then we'll see if they end up winning. Speaking of winning, we're going to talk to a man who won everything that he's ever done. Yeah. When I say his name, you'll immediately think of like 45 different things that he's done. All of them could die. Yeah. Every one of them. And he's just smiling. Jump out of a plane with no parachute. This guy. Jump a derp over every, the world, if it was possible. This race nascar this guy you name it this guy can he die yes who is it this guy ladies and gentlemen the

30th anniversary of the X Games will take place on ABC on June 27th representing the X Games a man who made us all fans because of his big old gutsack and talent. Ladies and gentlemen, Travis Pastrana. Yeah! Thanks for the intro, much appreciated. That's real, I told you that. I went to your Nitro Circus show here in Indianapolis that you guys had on the South side of Indy.

I watched your entire crew do the thing. I grew up watching you be an absolute madman. Now I know that is not how you view it. You just, well, it's just kind of my talent, my thing, all that shit. I appreciate your commitment and risk taking for our entertainment. So first of all, Travis Pastrana, we appreciate you.

Thank you, Travis. You know, are you kidding me? Thank you for having me on the show, man. I really appreciate it. It's been a lot of fun and yeah, gonna live forever. Hell, let's go. Okay, all right. So I love that that still exists inside.

You're not competing at this year's X Games, but I do believe, obviously, we're celebrating the 30th anniversary. What should people know about what's happening at the X Games, and is it changed at all since the, you know, over the last 30 years of watching? Man, X Games is awesome. It's still, you know, ABC and ESPN.

I mean, you can now stream it on Roku. You can watch it pretty much everywhere, YouTube. But at the end of the day, what's really cool now is that X Games has evolved so much where it used to be, you know, bungee jumping and downhill street luge. And now it's your best BMXers and your best skateboarders, your best motocrossers. You know, people are going to the Olympics from the X Games. So it's no longer that sport, the hooligans in the corner. It's people like, since Tony Hawk,

and Tony Hawk's pro skater, going out there and actually being able to make a living on kids toys, making a living on their passion. And it's pretty cool. Yeah, and Salt Lake City is a beautiful place. The backdrops are gonna be outrageous. I always enjoy the setup of everything that takes place. Who are some of the big names that we should look forward to?

Who should we do some research on in this X Games? Who's gonna steal the big names that we should look forward to? Who should we do some research on in this X Games? Who's gonna steal the headlines? Oh man, you know, I'm a fan of the old school guys. You got a Ryan Sheckler coming back. Shuck! Anyone that's been around. He's gonna give the state guys a run for their money, which is gonna be really cool. Kobe Raja, he's always just someone that's so exciting for me to watch in freestyle motocross. And R Willie, dude, he started out as a scooter rider on Nitro Circus, everyone gave him a hard time

because we're like, oh, scooter kid. So he jumped on Andrew Ahumada's BMX bike in Final Trains, did a trick that no one in the world had ever done on a bicycle, not even his own bicycle, went on to become the winningest and the greatest big air action sports BMXer in the world. If I was going to say watch one person it'd be R Willie. Oh so R Willie starts at Nitro Circus on a scooter goes over to a bike becomes the greatest of all time? Yeah thank goodness he hadn't gone

motorcycles yet I still got a job over here. Yeah amen amen sounds like R Willie could probably do whatever the hell he was willing to do. So on the scooter he did the backflip on the big thing on Nitro Circus, the big ramp? So R Willie has done, and I, so the Aussie roll was the biggest trick that I ever did on a motorcycle, two backflips and one 360. So like basically a, you know, double court 1080 for the snowboarders. But the coolest part, R Willie on his scooter,

he did it first and they did it on a BMX bike too. Three backflips and a full spin He does two backflips two full spins It's like full gymnastics, but they do it with style and it's just it's really amazing to see so he's been trying Basically a double backflip, but not a flare on a halfpipe. I want to see if he can get that done this year Yeah, me too. R Willie. Let's go. Let's see if we can get that. Yeah, and then I remember sheckler. Is this him? Is this R Willie? This is actually R Willie right here.

Boom! That might be an Indianapolis, Indiana right there. That setup, I might've seen that happen live. You had a lot of talent. I mean, there was, I believe there was a man in a wheelchair that did a back flip off the padded ramp on the Nitro Circus show. He just learned, he landed a double back flip, full twist, air and wheels fathering him, spinal bifida, the world gave him a wheelchair

and he made it he turned it into an absolute just icon. He started his own sport wheelchair motocross man he's a true inspiration. This dude outrageous I mean he top of the thing obviously he zoomed in on the camera you see it on the thing, everybody's going crazy he rolls down this ramp that's like straight down and then this ramp send it's a full it's a high school football. It's a football field. So they're going like 30 yards 40. I don't know what the exact amount is. You probably know that to a science or whatever. He's flying through there. He lands fireworks go on. They start sending. It was the fucking outrage. It was the most outrageous thing. I'm on I don't

know at that time probably 80 milligrams just sitting in the stands like what is going on here? It was wonderful. But nonetheless, I probably saw R Willie then. Let R Willie know we can't wait for him to do his thing. And Sheckler's reality show was fantastic. So handsome. So cool.

So cool Sheckler. Go ahead AJ, go ahead AJ. Yeah, Travis, Pat mentioned you jumping out of an airplane. Obviously shirtless, no shoot, all that. You linked up, you figured out this was such a bizarre situation. Out of everything you've done, I'm sure you've talked about it, what gave you the most anxiety, the most nerves going into a certain thing that you've done?

You've obviously ridden everything, jumped everything. Was this the moment? Like right now when you have nothing and you're just free falling, what would it feel like right there? Oh, he's throwing flips. he's like yeah I mean I had I had great people around me there that's kind of a pass or fail test always like those the most for sure. I think anything that you're not prepared for you know at the end of the day you know when you get to X Games you have

your stuff you should have it pretty well dialed and you know that's what for me Nitro Circus is what kind of we started and like you're talking about that it's just it's we used as much safety as possible To make the biggest most outrageous stuff and the best ways to learn and they're taking it now to the Olympics They're taking it to snowboards. They're taking to every other thing on X Games is kind of that It's your Olympics of all of action sports So it's the biggest the best and it's really cool kind of you know If Nitro Circus went away to try to do the big air of action sports where, you know, we want to see how big the

ramps can go. X Games went and said, okay, let's standardize it a little bit. Let's make it so everyone is on an equal playing ground and let's see who is truly the world's best. So it's kind of like if you take Nitro Circus is what can be done and how can we make it as safe as possible? And X Games is like, okay, you figured out how to do it with your trick Ramps and your your airbag landings. Let's take it to dirt and let's see who's got the guts to really land it and figure out

Who's the best overall? I love that. I love the evolution here of extreme sports. And what was that? You guys had that padded Landing. What was it? You used to have to get a crane to get your bike out of it. What was it? Yeah, so we started with the foam pit. We realized that foam is a petroleum product is actually flammable. So we went to airbags after that. You just said the airbag pit there. So what do you do? You just have a massive airbag like the stunt people do that are jumping out of there and

you just jump your bikes onto? So over the past 20 years, the evolution of airbags, we use this company called Bag Jump. And we're like, hey, what if we put, so when Josh Chehan came out here to learn a triple back flip on a dirt bike, he's going over a hundred feet high, right? And you're like, okay, if you mess this up, it's not life or death metaphorically, it is life or death. And Josh was, he was actually pissing blood and broke a couple ribs and knocked himself out just going to the flat bag. He said, can we get a bag that's on the same incline as the down ramp?

So when we make this wood or metal or dirt or whatever we're gonna do, he's like, I need to know that I'm spot on. And we've just taken every step that we can and it's always gonna be dangerous. It's never gonna have a reset button. But at the same time, how can we keep everyone to be able to, especially during the shows,

how can we get the guys to do the, and girls to do the biggest stunts night after night? And yet still hurts it still sucks But to be able to get back up and try it again And I feel like that's the evolution since you know since our day riding you know BMX bikes and setting up wooden ramps in the backyard And they're doing it to concrete we figured out a way to go way bigger way more spectacular But it's not the evil can evil, yeah, let's see, we're good, let's send it. Yeah, a little bit more information.

It feels like science has gotten involved. I think there was pad on the ramp as well, but it wasn't enough pad that it slowed you down, because that's also a massive deceleration knock rate, I don't think so, either in all this shit. I mean, you've got to measure it all out. I love that we've gone full circle on the crash pads.. Well the one was flammable so turned out like yeah the crash landing, knock good fire, much worse. We've had to move along. I appreciate that you're a guinea pig for an entire thing of

sports. With that being said, we are a little bit older. Ty, is a question for you. Yeah Travis, you just talked about the inherent danger with like everything that you do but as you've gotten older obviously you're married, you have kids now. Are there certain things where you're just like, Hey, guess what? The juice just isn't worth the squeeze doing this type of stuff anymore because I am getting older or are you going to basically continue to do this type of shit until you're physically not able to risk first reward, sir? It's a, it always changes. And there's a lot of stuff that I don't

regret doing anything because it built the person that I am today but there's a lot of stuff you look back when my dad I'm like man hindsight 2020 is like I could have told you exactly what was gonna happen before you hit that ramp you idiot so it's it's been a fun ride and now my goal is actually kind of safety for the next generation. It's just say how can we get the most amount of people. I mean there was a girl so she went to a Nitro Circus show in England in the O2 arena and she reached out to my wife on social media who was you know she's actually my wife's skating right now in the she-sheds got a half pipe in the background so it's an

action sports family but this girl Olivia from England saw a Nitro Circus show reached out to my wife on social media and says I want to be the first girl to ever do a backflip on a dirt bike. Fast forward three years she's kept in touch with my wife she comes out and at 11 years old she lands here at my house, Bistro Atlanta whatever you call it, she did a backflip on a dirt bike at 11 year old. I mean you can imagine Kerry Hart he is now married to a rock star for trying, for cracking a back flip in the 2001 X Games and you have an 11 year old girl that

can reach out and figure out a way to safely make that progression now and that's been such an honor and privilege to be in a position to kind of help and yes it is dangerous. Yes there are many things that can go wrong but for people that have the passion that want to do this stuff, let's make it as safe as possible and let's help everyone kind of get to their goals no matter where you are in life. And I think now with all of the internet

and the social media and everything, if you truly are working hard, if you are dedicated, if you are doing something that no one else is doing, you'll be found. And it's pretty cool. Hell yeah, that's good. That's good speech right there about life, you'll be found. And it's pretty cool. Hell yeah, that's good. That's good speech right there about life,

not just extreme sports. Pastranaland, you said whatever you call it. Is that what you call it? It sounds like that's what you call it. Sounds like a great place. No, that's what everyone else calls it. I just call it home. In my head, I just see like purchase for things

that get jumped off. I see you like the Pastranaland. There's a helicopter, I think probably somewhere around there. Maybe the shipping container that you, people blast their shoulders off up when you don't hit the foam pit I remember that yeah, yeah Everywhere yeah, oh we got an eyes on pastrana land here actually up guy just missed that was our pit. Yep There's a racetrack obviously we got that that's the pit. I'm talking about. Oh, we're taking beers made it Oh sound like good slide Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I thought talking about. Oh, we're taking beers made it. Oh sound like good slide

Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I thought pastrana land would be yeah I appreciate that you're now my wife just we just got the she shed put up because we're getting older So it's now house air-conditioned heater. We got the gym in there my office over top for like, you know doing whatever You know, whatever I do and Lindsay actually is skating right now. There's like 20 people over there. I was just actually upside down in a vehicle. I don't crash very often, but we got a lot of rain and someone was like, oh, hit the big jumps. I was like, yeah, sure. And literally that's why I'm here in this

and not in my studio that's up there because I was just flipping back over a vehicle that was stuck under the mud, literally like 30 seconds before I got on here. So yeah, life hasn't changed much. Thanks for having me on. This is a, it's been a great, great experience. Wow. That was a great fucking close that we're still live. We

are no longer live on ESPN. We are still live on YouTube, ESPN plus Disney plus and maybe tick tock live. They take us down every other day. But like, um, you nailing the out there, because you saw the countdown on the screen, obviously you saw that. Okay. How many, how many concussions you think you've You nailing the out there because you saw the countdown on the screen obviously you saw that okay? How many how many concussions you think you've suffered documented? On film like out cold for more than a few seconds. I've had at least probably 30 on film Okay, so that's 30 concussions hold on broken bones now broken bone and let alone let alone all the other concussions

I mean, I know there's probably others that you haven't just been on film, knocked out for numerous seconds. How about the broken bones? Is that a tough one? It sounds like you said it's a tough one. It's a tough one to answer. Cause say you have 40 fractures over seven bones, but it's one injury is like, do you count every frat?

You know what I mean? Like, so I had, I shattered my hip and pelvis. I don't know what that means or how many broken bones like I did tailbone back Multiple like the hip pelvis was shattered ended up with a new hip my foot for instance I broke tip fib and then everything across the foot was just powder. So like there's instances where you know humans aren't supposed to go 70 miles an hour and fall from 100 feet in the air with 220 pound motorcycles on top of them Yeah, you know Nothing like football where you got huge people running the other direction

But you know, I didn't do any of that aj did a lot of that But with that being said it wasn't from 70 feet in the air With gravitational pull working against you and weight and I think e equals mc squared has happened to your body numerous times You've had 30 documented knockout, uh concussions. You've broken a thousand bones, whatever it is. You're the first one to see the countdown clock on the screen and hit it. You need to know that. You should feel good about whatever the fuck you're doing with that brain. You need to share that information with the NFL maybe. Yeah like that is in fight, it makes martial arts. I think boxing. You're on it. Hey, you're on it. Are you taking care of your body?

Do you do brain stuff? Do you do body stuff? Like how do you manage all that? So my dad was a Marine. We have a lot of military in this area. We've always kind of reached out. We've been lucky to be friends with a lot of the black rifle coffee guys.

And what's really cool is Marcus Luttrell is the lone survivor. Wahlberg played him in a movie. His brother, Morgan, is a representative in Texas and everything. He was a Navy SEAL as well, that his helicopter got shut down. And this guy, he was beat up more than anyone on the face of the earth. And he actually went down to Texas and found like the best head doctors, the best everything. And we went through the boot campaign. We paid for ours to go down.

But learning what all the military has learned and all the injuries that they've suffered over the years and what the U.S. government has put into it. They took some NFL players and they took some Nitro Circus athletes. We went down there and learned a lot about head injuries, learned a lot about what's really interesting is genetics. Almost all the top freestyle motocrossers, our grandparents were almost all boxers. My granddad was Golden Globe boxer. He was in the Navy, Josh Sheehan, you look down the line. So I'm sure it's a lot of the same in football. Like we come from maybe not the most intelligent family, but all of my uncles, all my cousins, they're all division one. You know, they didn't go for the education part, but they definitely went for the sports part. They were, if they were military, they were rugby, they were wrestling. So I was the runt of the family.

And I was fortunate enough to be surrounded by just a really good group of people that my uncle actually played quarterback for Denver Broncos, 69 and 70. He got knocked out by Hightower from Police Academy. Ended his career early. That sounds like that's a family combo. That sounded pretty quick.

Yeah. But so my uncle said, Uncle Alan, he goes, the moment that you stop, you're done. And, you know, he had no ACL on either knee. His back was all messed up, his shoulders, everything. And he ended up teaching, well, he taught lacrosse and football at a low community college, but he also took senior citizen, or taught senior citizen health class. And he's, so every every morning he was up early with all the seniors doing aerobics.

And that kept him, he was as fit as can be. He was broken as can be, but stayed fit. And I think him, every time I got hurt from the time I was broke my first, I broke my first bone when I was eight years old. And he took me from the time that cast came off, physical therapy. And that was his biggest thing was figure out

what your body needs to keep moving and let's get healthy. That's awesome message I think for everybody trying to maintain lifestyle and life as a whole you got to stay active gotta get the blood pumping it's not just physical too it's mental as well as you move forward. Last question about the X Games here Travis Pastrana and we can't thank you enough we got life lessons in here we've heard some absurd stories yeah health lessons yeah health lessons in this entire thing pastranaland yeah pastranaland neat where is it what state is that no it's it's off the grid it doesn't exist it's in Maryland if you ever get bored come

on out we'll have some good times okay so Roughriders anthem music video made me want to ride a dirt bike and then Travis Pastrana made me want to backflip a dirt bike here now i can do a backflip dirt bike. Now I can do a backflip on a trampoline, I can do a backflip, used to be able to do standing backflip, can do backflip off top rope in wrestling ring. Is that all good news for me to be able to backflip a motorcycle? Is that a part of it? Or is that all bike? Is that body control or bike control? 100% body control. The best riders in the world have a really hard time doing

a backflip. They take off in your program to always see where the landing is. You take someone with no experience to my wife, three time X Games, gold medalist in skate, two time world champion, great like trampoline, air awareness, can't ride a motorcycle, save her life. Her second day ever on a motorcycle, barely made it to the takeoff ramp, got a backflip all the way around the wheels just in the foam pit because if she took it to dirt she wouldn't know how to what to do after she landed but you my friend no problem day one attempt one you're gonna get it right around it's just commitment boom there it is straw land yeah all right last question

about the shots your wife by the way. Yeah, yeah absolute dog sounds like a skater We're saying is that what we said? Yeah, I got I got really lucky for sure She's uh, she was actually in the last Tony Hawk pro skater And yeah, it's that so she won her first X Games gold medal when she was 14 years old So definitely luck that she's a badass and definitely an awesome mom as well strong land strongly Sounds like a tone has a question for you. Yeah, Travis, you, Sean White, Tony Hawk are all legends of the X Games, but I saw Sal

Masichalos back hosting for 2025. What does Sal mean for the entire X Games community and all those sports that he's hosting and has been there for so long? To have Salema back is absolutely amazing. and that he's hosting and has been there for so long. To have Salema back is absolutely amazing. He's the voice of X Games. And honestly, you got this guy, Jeremy Bloom, who took over because when COVID hit- Football guy, football guy, football guy.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So two time Olympian for the US for skiing goes, comes back NFL draft plays for I think got drafted I think for the Jets ended up with the Steelers. We're not gonna talk about the Steelers. You know, I'm a Baltimore guy, but But anyway, Aaron Rodgers You're right, you're a Ravens great team John Harbaugh just squad of 405 I saw John Harbaugh squad for a five the5 the other day. But go ahead Jeremy Bloom, obviously part of it.

So Bloom, he comes back and I mean just a smart, smart human being. Been successful at everything that he's done and he comes in with that athlete perspective. He's like look, when X Games was huge, we had larger-than-life personalities. Guys like Dave Meara, Tony Hawk, you know you had even Ryan Sheckler a little bit later, Mike Metzger, Mad Mike Jones, like everybody was this character, Brian Deacon, Metal Militia. Oh, I remember Metal Militia. And we're going to give these athletes a place to grow their brands.

He goes, let's instead of thinking about how we can make the event better, how can we make the athletes bigger? How can we find more talent? How can we make it more accessible? And I think this is going to be the start of a new generation of X Games. And, you know, I'm just so excited to see where it goes. I mean, I'm Nitro Circus. We're kind of like the big air, not sideshow, but we tried to do the newest stuff and Bloom's reaching out to saying, okay, how can we get, how can we safely merge this to where you guys can be the crazy shenanigans over here that are pushing this culture and let's build these athletes

together and let's see how we can make these men and women actually make them a good living by doing what they love and traveling the world with their friends. Great brand. X Games is a great brand. Always has been. For our generation, shout to Bloom. Understanding the opportunity, earning the opportunity. And now I can't wait to see what he does with it. Football God. And he was a returner, right? I think if I recall.

He was receiver a little bit, but yeah, public turner. I think he was returned. That's how I think. And I think I've been at maybe a function or two with old Bloom. I remember a great dude, great athlete, obviously, sound businessman. And if he's bringing sound mass Caleb back,, he knows what he's doing in my eyes.

I think he knows what he's doing. And also partnering with you. We appreciate the hell out of you, Travis. Uh, stay safe, dude. Do my best. Hey, you guys too. I want to see you out back flipping all you guys come on out to post travel in one day.

Okay. Do you have good internet there? Yeah. We can get it. Okay. That sounds like a no. All right. Yeah. Sweet. Here's the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Travis. good internet there yeah we can get it okay we can figure that out okay we got

fucking 14 ramps around here we build things around yeah we can get a star link plugged in here yeah we can certainly do how about that aerial shot of pastran land got a racetrack over here got a fucking barn over here go state ramp or skate ramp over here you got a jumping pad over here I used to watch a lot of the Nitro Circus stuff in Travis Pastrana, in the X Games. That was great times. Summer, to say what are these fucking psychos gonna do?

Yeah, it was perfect. Legit, it was like what are they? He's always so juiced too. Like it is, it's unbelievable the amount of injuries that dude's a fake hip. I don't know how many fake body parts he has, but like the fact that he can walk still and he's always so juiced and so pumped about whatever he is doing. That's why he's so fun

I was trying to contemplate on whether or not we bring this up and ask him if this is actually his x-ray or if somebody Just like this up, but it would make sense probably it makes sense. They obviously got one thing wrong. We know that there's a Yeah, we know stratus Yeah, we know Stratus Pastrana. Yeah, we know. He got Pastrana on the land. Fuckin' third leg. Like, drop cat, that is. Got Pastrami between his legs.

He is a beast. Thank you to him for, thank you for him for committing so many dangerous acts for our entertainment. And it was literally my generation. That is what it is. I've seen this guy do everything. How about him just jumping over to NASCAR, too? I think he just ran over there. Yeah, you know what it is. I've seen this guy do every how about him just jumping over to NASCAR too I think he just ran over there. Yeah, you know sometimes ten years training, but usually 15 years training kids

They've been doing this since I was kid. I picked this up about a month ago Yeah, I'm gonna go to redline this thing too. Don't you worry about it? Well on the weekend, I'm gonna go do a double backflip and then look at those flash bulbs Those are the place and anytime I strana was on the top of a ramp, that was before social media, everybody somehow knew. Like, hey, Pastrana's about to do this. He's doing it again, he's doing it again. Sean White was the same fucking shit.

Sean White, whenever he was at the top of the snowboard, right, it was like, hey, Sean White's about to do some shit. Tune in, tune in. Yeah, Pastrana's about to do some shit. And now he's got Pastrana land. Now he's got Pastrana land. That's right, he's the goat.

Here, Tony Hawk, he's still just handing out skateboard. Do a kick flip. Yeah. Handing out skateboard. His documentary is unbelievable. Yeah, great story. Yeah. About how much work he put in as a kid.

He was a little boy, he was the guy. Yeah, dog. Yeah, they're talking about him being, like, when he was six, seven years old. Yeah, and then through the video game era, and how when he was, I don't know, 2022, skateboarding, just fell off a cliff and so like him and a couple other guys were doing it and then the X game

started and they were like the belle of the ball and then Tony Hawk pro skater I don't know how much money he made off of that he goes into it about that about how like they approached me to make a video game he said sure basically doesn't hear anything but the game starts blowing up blah blah blah a couple years into the game he gets like called into the Playstations office or whoever, you know created the video game and they just like slid him a check for ten million dollars Hey, he was like, thank you, buddy. Yeah Good for them that was different era I think Jeremy Bloom though has the right idea.

We need to make stars competing against each other. Not just the competitions themselves. Now for the Olympics, I'll turn on the free skate, you know, to represent for America and all that shit. What they're doing in the street, skate or whatever open. Yeah. Yeah. Jagger eaten.

Dog, young Jagger eaten, absolute dog. Like I'll watch that. But I think for the X games Games it is the meta militia people Remember meta militia they were taking on there was another group. Yeah, who was another group? Here's the guys were like they were they were so like you knew I don't know I couldn't I could name 10 20 different like athletes in the X Games back in the day when I was watching like in high school Yeah, he talked about pinks husband. I think yeah Heart yeah, I was almost gonna start singing a Pink song about her boyfriend being a rock

star because I think that is a song. But I think the next couple of lyrics aren't the best. Sure. So I stayed away from it. Well, every Pink song that I was thinking of, what she was saying was not like the, you know, she's a weapon. Oh, yeah. Speaking of X Games, she's fucking circus LA. Yeah, her whole concerts are nuts. Hey, where are you on swing at today?

How about from that fucking tip of the stadium to that one? And I'm gonna sing the entire time. Yeah, I'm singing the whole time too, upside down. Yeah, and I'm not gonna miss it. It's gonna be, it's like, Jesus Christ, what a weapon. And then she's got a, they got a daughter, I think, that's a little bit older and then maybe a baby I watch her documentary daughter climbing the fucking whatever these are For the scaffolding. Yeah, like just quite Ready to go to the sky just like zero fear out there. It's unbelievable x games. I hope it gets back Yeah, yeah, it'd be sweet this weekend already. Yeah, it's a great time for it. That's tomorrow. Okay, so everything's kind of blending together, right? Yeah Everything's blending together. We See, everything's kind of blending together, right? Yeah. Everything's blended together.

We've got America's birthday coming up. One of the greatest cold shots in history. Nobody talks about it. True. We said, ah-ha. And then there was still a lot of- Oh yeah. To figure out.

Yeah. And then, like we said. Yeah. You know, that's kind of how that whole thing works. We'll be taking the second week of July off because of Wimbledon will be on all things. And also we're going to enjoy summer a little bit. Maybe create some things.

Maybe. Maybe meet some people. Maybe do a little up to something. Are things cooking right now? I don't know. Maybe. Could say. I know this sounds crazy,

but it's been a lot of chatter, obviously. Me being able to sleep in my house and not get three hours of sleep on Monday nights over the last couple of weeks has been a huge help. No. I will say. No way. I will say, I will say yes.

I miss it a lot, I do. But on Tuesdays, when I have meetings in the morning, because I do business, not only show, but also I try to do the business as well because I feel like I should learn and also potentially speak up and I enjoy it. And it's all those things. So I'm walking into meetings Tuesday morning,

Zoom calls or whatever, calls in general, 9 a.m. You got people that I'm talking to that are very good at what they do. And I'm rolling in there three hours of sleep, know and it's like I'm the energy guy normally and it's like at what point does this do you look in the mirror and go like yo you ain't gonna make it like this and shout to Nick Khan at the WWE being like bro you need to breathe you need to breathe now Nick Khan has also seen me in these meetings so I think he understands that I do I Do perform I do well in these you know, it's nice It's good for everybody when it happens so I'm very thankful for the opportunity to be able to breathe for a little bit, but I do miss the shit out of it and 90 champions this weekend, Saudi Arabia. Yeah a lot bill Goldberg good Gunther. Oh, my God. Saturday Night Main Event in Atlanta.

Saturday Night Main Event. But the champions is again. Yeah, Saturday Night Main Event, Goldberg and Gunther. But I'm just saying there's been a lot that has happened since we have, you know, not been there. So to everybody at WWE, I love you people. I appreciate you people. To the Internet Wrestling community. Fuck yourselves

All of you go back to my NXT run everything I said then still remains I'm talking to you These people are outrageous. They're they're talented and mean Passionate and they're in abundance. Yeah Golly, I'm like what the fuck man? Don't look at your comments. Well, I have to. Our show is like, I have to live on the internet. Like that is, how do I know about literally,

I don't want to say everything, but too much. I'd say at this point, have to know with Daily Show, have to know everything. Scrolling through. Okay, there was a big trade. Sweet. Good show today, sweet. Hope you kill yourself.

Okay. The fuck did I do? All right, let's go to this. Sweet good show today sweet. I hope you kill yourself. Okay The fuck that I do All right, let's go to this. Oh Schefter and rap. Oh one has the breaking news one has the information. I like the way that's working Get the fuck out of the WWE you ruined my night Okay, let me go down here college game days won an Emmy That's pretty cool. Congratulations. That's pretty cool. Okay shows doing well, okay You're the fucking worst thing to ever happen to the wrestling. Okay, geez, always Let's go back in there

Bunker buster What the fuck is that? Are we okay? Okay. Pat McAfee should jump off a cliff. Okay. All these people are coming from the same department here and it's like that does get a little bit old. Yeah. Some of it makes me laugh rather hard though. Sure. I will say. Those people are mean. Yeah. Those people are mean. Yes they are. It's been nice to not have that. every single man. Okay, I would imagine Those are multiple things and also corey great Wade great booker t

Great, you know, so there's a lot of dudes over there and women in the commentary department that are amazing So it's like as i'm watching it. I like read some of their stuff I'm like, yeah corey is much different than me. That is and I enjoy the shit out of Corey I can understand that thank God this piece of shit isn't here all right okay just trying to watch the NBA finals here it's a lot I'm lucky and thankful for all of it but it is a lot you know you know Mackenzie the greatest. Yeah Yeah Yeah, oh it just happened yeah got a tattoo for the daughter that's her birthday May 4 2023 Taurus obviously I to Taurus, you know bull birthday Taurus

birthday Mackenzie, you know, whole thing. Did I get pressured into it? Kind of. Kind of. Is that her right there? That's like upper ribs. First tattoo, feels like it's the right one for the daughter. And Samantha got matching tattoo as well, you know, on her.

So it was good. It was really nice. First tattoo, obviously Samantha has a lot of tats. You know, she's got a lot of tattoos. So I am the soft one of the household because I've never, I've signed up to get a tattoo before. I've sat down and then I've been told how long it was going to be and I couldn't move and it was going to hurt. And I said, all right, don't think I want that on my body anyways. I've gone up and left three times that has happened, three times in my life.

I've done that. This one sat down for the daughter. Yeah, this is what I want on my body. Go ahead and make it happen. It's cool thing. Yes, it did hurt though. There was moments, I no sold it. No sold it for sure.

I was around a lot of tattoo, you know, tattoo people were there and they are obviously very tough. They're tougher than all of us that don't have tattoos because they have to deal with the puhpa-pa-pa-pa-pa, which certainly real thing, but it hurt like hell. Yeah, some of the parts hurt like hell. You know, they got on the- Well, but you choose that location.

Yeah, I don't know, to be honest. Yeah. It's a very painful spot. You could definitely have chosen other spots that weren't as painful, I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah, I was told that, yeah, and I thought about that as it was on my ribcage.

You know? There was like a six, seven, Anita is the lady's name. I believe Rose Inc. Tattoo. She was great. She was incredible talent. She was really good. She also not a full shading, a little bit of color. I don't know.

I don't know what she did, but there you could feel whenever she was really tightening in on something, you know, especially right there on the rib. Sound like a dentist hitting her tooth. That's what it felt like in your body, you know? And there was certainly some pain. Wife sitting there looking at me, just seeing.

And you're like, no, this is nothing. What do you mean? Just do the whole rib cage while you're at it. I did a couple yawnss, you know those were hard Yeah, you have to get a retouch. I know a lot of times they'll fade you gotta go get it refilled in again Like I think the fade would be a part of the art, you know, I think like camo. Okay, I think this one's I think this one's good Yeah, I think this one's good. Everybody says you're gonna get the bug You guys come up with another Mackenzie McAfee sweet tattoo

I will I will sure I will certainly dive back in there and if I do that lady who did it shout out to Anita She was great. But yeah, I mean I had to lay there for 40 minutes 45 minutes AirPods in You know with the leg like I out. I stand for this show. I mean, people that host talk shows do not stand. They sit. That is literally what they do. I can't sit like I am a, I'll either fall asleep, okay?

That is a real thing that could happen. If I sit down too long here during the show, I'm sure people notice it at home, I start to get really bored. I really start to zone out. So if you see me stand up, it's just like me trying to stay alive. So when you're doing a tattoo and it's on your ribs and I can't move and if I move now, it's gonna look yeah.

I don't know what I do not know what I signed up for one through my head a couple times. Well, how much longer is this? Don't want to ask though. Don't want to look soft. And then you look over and it's like well, I don't look like anything's been yeah I could barely see it it's a it was a whole thing but for my daughter and I think it looks cool and Samantha's got the matching one for you anything you know let's go ahead and do that all right let's get the hell out of here what a day yeah then holy shit what a day Ryan Smith owner of owner of the Mammoth in the Jazz. Legend. Legend, big night last night. Ace Bailey's gonna love Utah.

Let's put that to rest. Legit. He's gonna do, they are gonna do everything. That whole state will do everything to make sure Ace has a great time out there. That is like how they feel, I think, and that's how they operated. That's how they treated us.

I would assume they would do it with somebody that could actually help. Yeah. You know, and the entire thing. Sean Shariah, no tipping the picks. Being a good teammate. Good play. What a guy.

You agree? He's going to be up there tonight too. He's going to be a big time part of it tonight too, right? Was his mic off? Yeah, like the whole show I think. No, I heard him. I missed it. I muted it early though.

That's probably why. Because you're reading the internet. Yeah. Jay Billis. Good to have him on. Yeah, he's great. Yeah, great answers He's very knowledgeable beers. It's not lotion. It's beer lawyer, do you think he pours the beer? Yeah, and Leave it out of the state. He dunks his face in I think he pours into all like Ashton Hall Yeah with the Q 430 AM. So he's been losing races, a lot of them, right? Ain't that kind of been happening to him?

I saw one. Speed's very fast. His name is Speed. I don't think people should be signing up to race Speed. Just, who do you want to get in a race with? A guy named anything or a guy named Speed when your entire thing is running but your name is in speed

I don't think we're doing that and you're going on his it's his people. Yeah And it's a lot of people like the most amount of people Why are they always racing on uneven ground somewhere too late? Just go outside. Yeah fucking walk outside. That's me outside How about that on site? That's what they say. He's so explosive He's back flips out of nowhere. You just watched the explosion like holy fuck what an athlete I I wonder what sports he played before he just said I'm gonna make hundreds of millions of dollars being a streamer of my everyday life legit yeah and I'm gonna become the mayor of a or the president of a country I don't remember what it was when the

entire country showed up for him I wonder what sports he did play big soccer guy right I've seen clips of him playing I wonder what sports he did play big soccer guy, right? Hope you ran track. I've seen clips of him playing soccer. I don't I think he liked soccer Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily like his main sport track would make him a track. Is he American speed? Yeah. Yeah He got speared out of his phone. He loves soccer. He's always in Europe. So I didn't know well, I love speed. Yeah Sure Have a little respect, please. The only person who loves soccer here is Canadian. So I didn't know. Well he loves speed. Yeah. He's got no accent. Sure. Have a little respect please. The only person who loves soccer here is Canadian so I didn't know. We all love soccer in our own regions. No no no no. I do not like soccer. I like the video game. I like TST. There we go. Yeah I like TST. You do love soccer. Hey think, think, breaking news, by the way, look for it.

It just came up in discussion earlier today. I'm going to say it publicly, so we have to do it. Look for Thunderdome Soccer Super Duper Cup coming at some point. Three on three, we're going to build boards in here, so there's a little bit of physicality. Three on three with a goalie, two nets, we'll commentate it. We'll get some of the Arena League boys in here. We'll put up a $10,000 per winning player prize or something and we're gonna have that happen out here

We need to see the arena boys again. I only saw him for two days because I got invited to go down to Paris Island, which What an experience what an amazing experience. That was really cool. He said his dad was a Marine. I was immediately I don't know if you saw, I immediately broke chains. Oh yeah. Right there. Let's go ahead and do that. Love everything about it. Didn't even want to get into it. He got through Parris Island, had to have right there on the East Coast there. That place was awesome. That was a life changer. But I only got to see the arena boys for two days. See Gordo Gorson threw out the first pitch for the Yankees. In a Conklin jersey, I saw that. Wasn't the Yankees. No, yes it was. All right, we're back tomorrow. Oh, and the same day? Yeah, he was lefty and righty. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice about change our life. We're in

this thing together. Team on me, team on three. One, two, three, team. Goodbye.