The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1371 - Jalen Ramsey Traded to the Steelers, Adam Schefter, Peyton Manning, Shams Charania, Cal Raleigh, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 30, 2025

On today's show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys cover everything that happened over the weekend in the world of the sports including the US Men’s National Team getting a massive win over Costa Rica in the Quarterfinals of the Gold Cup, a 5 hole playoff in the Rocket Classic, the start of NBA free agency, NHL free agency, and everything else. Joining the progrum to break down the breaking news that Jalen Ramsey and Jonnu Smith have been traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers in exchange for Minkah Fitzpatrick and some pick swaps. Next, 2x Super Bowl Champion, Super Bowl MVP, 5x NFL MVP, Hall of Famer, The Sheriff, Peyton Manning joins the show chat about season 2 of Quarterback, his thoughts on what it takes to be a QB in today’s NFL, the QB situation in Indianapolis, and how he thinks Rodgers will fare in Pittsburgh. Next, ESPN Senior NBA Insider, Shams Charania joins the show to chat about what to expect from NBA free agency which kicks off tonight. Later, Gold/Platinum Glove winner, current league leader in home runs, the catcher for the Seattle Mariners, Cal “Big Dumper” Raleigh joins the show to chat about his career year thus far, playing catcher in the big leagues and all the different things that come with that, how excited he is to participate in the Home Run Derby, what he’s learned about himself this season, and more. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you Monday. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode the Thunderdome on this massive overreaction Monday June 30th 2025 this program begins now Sports are happening in a big way. We got a lot of news a lot of conversations There's been a massive trade or trades happening with the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Miami Dolphins that we'll dive into here in about Four minutes with Adam Schefter who broke the news I believe from the Oakmont Country Club in Plumboro, Pennsylvania. Huge news early. Jalen Ramsey's now a Pittsburgh Steeler. John Ouse Smith also a Pittsburgh Steeler. Minka Fitzpatrick no longer a Steeler. He's once again a Miami Dolphin alongside a couple late round draft swaps almost

between the Steelers and the Dolphins. Huge news this morning. Jalen Ramsey being traded had been a conversation that's been taking place for like a month now. Had a big price tag, like 24 million or something along those lines. Who was gonna pay? Who was gonna make the trade?

Who was gonna have Jalen Ramsey on their team? At the age of 30, still in the middle of his prime, nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler, do we agree? Very much so. Very much in his prime. Just got re-upped, what, a couple years ago, so hate to see him leaving the Dolphins, obviously. A lot of people, obviously, Darius Butler, massive Dolphins fan, South Florida boy, but he has picked up some other teams as well because the Miami Dolphins have not had much

success. Now, when they bring Jalen in, they bring Tyreek in, obviously they draft Tua, they start spending all their resources on trying to win in a big way and now it basically everybody's gone. Ramsey was supposed to go back maybe to LA to be on the Rams. Then the Steelers conversation started to kind of chime in. Now we know Jalen is a Pittsburgh Steeler, Minka Fitzpatrick is now a Miami Dolphin and John Ouse Smith, who's a tight end for the Miami Dolphins that was allegedly being shopped to the Pittsburgh Steelers over the last few weeks but was he just

trying to get a deal done? Was he just utilizing the media and insiders, his agent, to get a little leverage so that the Miami Dolphins feel obligated to pay John O'Smith, all pro, great football player for the Miami Dolphins? Well now we know John O'Smith was actually being shopped, actually trying to get traded. And John New Smith is now a Pittsburgh Steelers. So now the Pittsburgh Steelers at D.K. Metcalf at 30 million dollars a year at wide receiver.

They had Aaron Rogers at 10 million dollars a year. They just bring in Jalen Ramsey and John Oosmith and oh yeah, Darius Slay also on the Pittsburgh Steelers. TJ Watts deal, still looming, lingering out there. 40 million is what Miles Garica paid annually. How are you able to pay everybody, including Jalen and now John Oosmith? And obviously you had DK with the $30 million a year.

Aaron Rodgers not getting paid a lot of money at the quarterback position, which is good news. But how are you able to get all this done? Who knows? Who cares, says the Yensers. Let's go to one half of the hammer. Die! Cowboys, 8P tone, already got a Ramsey jersey.

Wow. Already got a Ramsey jersey. Wow. That's awesome. Shout out, shipping got here just like a couple minutes ago. Was that like a throwback Steelers? I don't remember those colors ever representing the Pittsburgh. I think the website that I ordered from got the colors wrong.

So I'll send it back after the show. I don't want to say who it was. Starts with an F. Football. But no, this is what you call going all in this off season for the Steelers and you ask, you know, how are they going to afford this offseason for the Steelers and you ask, you know How are they gonna afford this the con artists is gonna figure that out He is a numbers guy a numbers cruncher Omar Khan. Yes, Omar Khan Who is the general manager of the Pittsburgh Steelers before he became the GM?

He was the you know The cap guy the pseudo cap guy for years and years and years So he's gonna get that done you bring in all these guys and it's it's they're going all in for this season This is not a hey, we're gonna tank for a quarterback next year type season. This is hey, we are looking at right now. We are not a reload rebuild situation. This is we're going to win Super Bowl this year with these guys. It's awesome.

Now we did lose Minka. I will not say anything bad about Minka Fitzpatrick ever for years and years and years. He was by far one of the best players on the team was was always a stalwart in the secondary. But if you had told told me yesterday, hey we're trading Minka for John New Smith and Jalen Ramsey, I would have taken it. It'll be interesting to see what they do at the safety position. But no, this is awesome. This was just what we needed today. Yeah and this is huge news and this is a lot of the football rumors kind of ending. Yeah.

You know a lot of it coming out of the Miami Dolphins camp. Now that is going to slow down to a sizzle. I can't wait to hear what Miami Dolphins fan at Baba Gump, you know, the other half of the hammer, damn Cowboys Dolphins got players still on the roster. Yeah. Minka glad to have him back. Hate that we lost Jonah, who literally our best player

last year. We're going to have to hit the free agency mark because we don't really have a tight end and we need some cornerbacks. Well, that's the thing about the free agency market. Nobody had been doing that already. So now we're going fishing. Good luck to the Dolphins down there.

We love McDaniel. We love Tua. We love Miami. We love the fact that they're great uniforms that look very similar to the one that AP Tone is wearing right now. Tyree's still fast. Yes, he is faster than he was last week. I believe. I saw the video. Love Tyree Kill, uh, and his ability, uh, to play football and get open

and everything like that. Waddle's awesome at one of the greatest celebrations. Yeah, by far. In all of sport. Untouched really. That's Doc Stable at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. A couple things to go back to there. The con artist, uh, which some people who might be watching don't know, that is Omar Kahn. He's the general manager of the Pittsburgh Steelers. That is a favorable nickname. That is like, hey, this guy is an artist.

His last name's Kahn. And it kind of goes together with a negative kind of terminology in calling somebody a con. But in these deals, he always feels like he's getting a good deal. He's a good deal maker. He was a salary cap guy for a very long time. Knows the ins and outs of it all.

I also think that Omar Khan knew, you know, because for a long time, general manager of the Pittsburgh Steelers was Kevin Colbert. Kevin Colbert since like the beginning of time. He was there. So then Omar Khan becomes general manager of the Pittsburgh Steelers. So how the Pittsburgh Steelers had been run everybody assume was just gonna maintain the same way

Hey, this is how the Steelers do it. This is how the Steelers do it This is how the Steelers do it now He's changing things up in a big way coach Tomlin's changing things up in a big way And I think it's because they heard the outside noise of all the ins are saying we're tired to be a nine-and-eight Yeah, you have an over 500 winning record. We are proud of you. That is awesome, But it leaves us in purgatory. They're making massive moves that they don't normally do, D-Bud. Yeah, this isn't necessarily the steeler way as it's been over the years, but you're in a division. I mean, I think two top five quarterbacks and pretty good teams around them. Obviously, the Ravens are clearly, I think, the number one team going into this season, but you never know where Joe Burrow is

going to be. And then bringing in a guy like J. Laramsey like he is a guy He's a needle mover. He can do everything in the secondary Actually, it was a video from about four years ago and a million dollars worth of game podcast where he kind of talked about that But me personally in my style like Charles because I think even though I say Deon is the best corner to play the game I say Charles is the best defensive back to play the game as he played multiple positions in the secondary He played corner. He played safety. He played nickel. He did he did a bunch of different stuff you know, I mean, he affected the game in so many different ways and You know me coming to LA like that's

Kind of a road that I started to be in a little bit like I'm still on the edges on the corner majority of the time but here and there I'm start they starting to you know let me be me a little bit more mix it in playing a little bit of nickel and then at some point in my career if it take me there to safety I want to do that as well but I want to have the mix of all so that me looking at it that's what I say if I had to pick one person I pick Charles. Shout out million dollars worth of game. Yeah for sure and that was four years ago so now he's going into year 10 still playing outside the very high level can play on the inside one of the gripes he

had with Fangio when he was in Miami was he didn't let him match up didn't let him go inside a ton you put him on his still his defense he could be in that star position what he played at Florida State and really impact the run game in the past game. Phenomenal, phenomenal player. He talked about Seawood. Seawood won the Defensive Player of the Year at age 33 back in 2009 with the Green Bay Packers. So he's a player that can do this. It's just going to make everybody around him better as well. I love that. Let's see if that's the plan. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who was part of the news break this morning from, I believe, one of the hardest golf courses on earth, right there in the hills of Pittsburgh.

Ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider for ESPN, Adam Schefter. Yeah, Chef D! Chef D, we'll get to you golfing at Oakmont here in a bit. Andrew being in Plum, our hometown, which we hope you go pay your respects to Rudy Subs. Get a whole Italian hot lettuce onion mayo fries cheese on a side turners jug to go let's talk about this deal we just showed that million dollars worth of game clip from 2021 and D-Butch

has talked about Jalen Ramsey in very high regard whenever it comes to being a D-Bec in the NFL with how athletic he is how diverse he is how everything really comes together if they D back in the NFL with how athletic he is, how diverse he is, how everything really comes together if they let him. Are the Steelers planning on utilizing Jalen Ramsey in any certain ways that we know at this point and Minko heading out of town, what does that mean for the Steelers following that? Well, it means they have an opening at safety.

They've been very active this off season in adding Darius Slay and Jalen Ramsey. I think it gives them options in the secondary, Pat, about how they want to go about doing this. Obviously, Joey Porter Jr. also is there. They've got a ton of defensive backs right now. It always felt to me like Pittsburgh was the most likely destination. It never felt like the Rams or the Chargers were going to be able to do their part financially to make a trade like this happen.

The Steelers not only made it happen, but gave Jalen Ramsey a raise for this coming season. So that tells you how much they wanted him. They've been talking about him all along. It becomes a very complicated trade here. Certainly for the time of the year that we're in the last day of June You get a trade like this that involves two players who have been three time all-pro selections and you see making Fitzpatrick on that initial list of Steelers start Well, he was a part of the deal they Steelers wanted John who Smith to reunite him with Arthur Smith They get him in this package as well. And I I mean to me it says yes Pittsburgh is going all in

Spending whatever it takes they go and get Aaron Rodgers. They go and get Jalen Ramsey and Johnna Smith. It has been a very unconventional Steelers like offseason with all the players that they've added including DK Metcalf This is like a remade roster. The one question I have in all of this now is, and we haven't talked about it a whole lot, what about TJ White? Everybody just has assumed rightfully that the two sides will figure it out but I don't think they're very close right now and I don't think that he's particularly pleased. Now it could change just like that. And they could figure out a way to get it done. But you know what? They just gave Johnny Smith more money. They just

gave Jalen Ramsey more money. They haven't given TJ Wilde more money. And you just wonder how that's going to play out here in the coming weeks. Again, he's such a part of the team. You cannot imagine him not being there. You would think that this situation will be settled by now and it's not yeah I agree Schefter and I would like to let everybody know that if you were to go back and watch the tape I would ask on a very regular basis. Hey, if everything's good, why is TJ not there? You know if everything's just gonna be a okay Why does he feel obligated to take a hundred and seventy thousand dollar fine of missing? Mandatory mini camp?

If everything was okay, you would think a guy who's a staple in a pillar of the team would have been there. I'm not saying there's any issues, but I've just asked the question on a regular basis because everybody else is saying they think a deal is gonna get done. I think TJ not going is him saying, is it?

I don't know if a deal is gonna get done. And now let's get back to the point of what you said there about paying Jalen more money In Johnny more money Kaboli put this tweet up here Kaboli said well He's been told he's the Steelers view Johnny Smith has a tight end a slot wire receiver and a fullback They will use them in a very hybrid way in Arthur Smith's offense And they see Jalen Ramsey is an outside corner slot slot corner, and he can take some snaps at safety, says Mark Kaboli. With that being said, if you're gonna utilize

the shit out of them, you would obviously wanna pay them more. I thought a lot of people didn't want Jalen because they didn't wanna pick up the entirety of the contract. Do we know if they've picked up all the money from both these contracts, or are the Miami Dolphins having to pay any bills?

Yeah, I don't know the full breakdown of that. There have been a lot of missed calls in this lorry of activity, and I don't know the full breaks out of that. There have been a lot of missed calls in this flurry of activity and I don't have the full answer to that at this particular time. Yeah, Pat, I gotta tell you, it was a very surreal scene, right? I've never been to Oak Mock. I get invited. I'm in your backyard here in Plum, Pennsylvania. And I walk into the locker room and the only thing I wanted to see was where did Wyndham Clark take in that locker? Is it still here? Right?

So I took a picture of it. I could send it over. We could put it up. It's still there. And some of the members want to fix it. I'm like, you can't fix that. So I walk in, I see the locker and right when I walk in, I see Neil Shipley, the great former amateur golfer who's on tour and he's incredible.

I've watched Neil Shipley all the time and I'm talking to Neil Shipley and I get the trade that Jalen's going down and I go to post know what I learned about Oakmont the men's locker room no Wi-Fi because I was posting for a few minutes and it wasn't going through and they were running out running out to go post it so there's no Wi-Fi in the men's locker room you're not missing anything there Pat but this place is pretty magical so the trades all come down, whole flurry of activity. Again, the Steelers have stepped up and they're paying all these guys right now, except TJ Watt. That, I mean, that's really the deal right now.

And Miami, Miami's made a lot of changes here with a lot of team captains that are no longer there in Miami. So it becomes very interesting for them as well. Big change you're not expecting here in late June. Kaleus Campbell also not there obviously. We talked about that was like the beginning of this entire thing whenever Gumpy was losing his mind.

Go ahead, comment. Armstead, I forget if that he was mentioned. He's one of their captains too. I think someone tweeted it was four of their five captains or three of their five captains are gone. Interesting to see how it goes. Jalen Ramsey is now the fourth Dolphins count. You actually tweeted this, Shafty.

Yeah, okay, smart. But last season, no longer on the team in 2025. Armstead, Kaleus Campbell, and David Long. Go ahead, D-Buck. I believe Tyreek Hill was a captain last year, too. And I don't think he'll be a captain going into this year. I think he said he's got to earn that respect back with the team. What is the relationship right now with Tyreek Hill and the Miami Dolphins?

The way I understand it, I think people are counting on him bouncing back, having a big season. He's got a lot to prove. I'm sure with all the money going around to wide receivers, he's going to want to get paid again. I think Tyreek Hill has a chance to really bounce back and have a big time kind of year. I think that's what people in the organization are expecting out of him this upcoming season. It'll be up to him to do that. But again, a lot of changes around him and they're counting on Tyree Kill to come through. Okay, so the only thing we're really thinking about here

or trying to figure out is if Miami's paying any of Jalen's salary, right? That is still potentially a piece of information we don't know? I would think that they're paying something. I would think that they're paying something. I mean, I think Jalen gets more money out of this and I think they had a finagle. I can't imagine that the Steelers took on the entire contract and gave them a raise. That would not

be in my mind something that's practical. I don't think, but again, you have to see how it played out. Okay. And Omar Khan, Mike Tomlin, you're in, I mean, you could maybe go visit them downtown. You can go down to UPMC. Are they done in this whole department? Obviously TJ Watt lingering, and do you think this is gonna be the new norm for the Pittsburgh Steelers? Well, this is not what they've done, and I think that they have to be done because there really is no other priority

other than TJ Watt. And this team, there has not been a team in the league the last couple of years that has inquired about and checked into more wide receivers than the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I think that's what we're seeing here with John O'Smith being viewed as a weapon because they wanted somebody else to step forward. They're expecting that Calvin Austin is going to be their number two wide receiver from what I understand, Roman Wilson, the former second round draft pick from

Michigan, has looked strong during OTAs for whatever that's worth. And now you get a guy like John O'Smith to mix in with D.K. Metcalf, Calvin Austin, Roman Wilson, Robert Woods. And I think that they feel like this guy can be shifted all around. Arthur Smith knows how to use him. It's the third different franchise that Arthur Smith has worked with John Smith. They were together in Tennessee. They were together in Atlanta and now they'll be together in Pittsburgh again. I think, you know, they got Aaron coming in at quarterback and when you're

doing that you're trying to do everything you can to give him one last run in what looks like is his last season. So they seem to be all in with that one lingering issue that's outstanding right now. There is Slay missing from the graphic that was on us, not on dirty you put this together. This thing looks filthy, but also Pittsburgh people gotta be like, yeah, Pittsburgh's place to be. Been fucking saying it for years. Excited for all these people, all these guys to get to learn about the Pittsburgh football culture too. Like what it's going to be like to be a Pittsburgh Steeler and learn the building.

Going to be great to have them in the city. You talk about wide receivers and the Steelers snooping around on them. There's one big name at wide receiver position that there's still a convo about before you tee off at Oakmont and I assume shoot at 250? Oh, I think you might be generous. 150 oh Chef the last time we talked to you we we mentioned how Terry McLaurin and Washington are pretty far apart on his you know new Contract he's not happy about that Has has there been any progress with that whole situation or do you have any kind of update there? That's a tough one. I know there is an update. There's no update which is the update and that's the problem. The problem is with this particular situation I think Terry McLaurin is going to argue that we've seen other wide receivers who his numbers are comparable to like Jamar Chase and T Higgins and DK Metcalf get paid over $30 million a year this off season.

And I think the commanders then can say yes, but Mike Evans, who also has had comparable numbers is at $24 million. So there really is quite a difference and a gap between what both sides would want. They have not made any progress. I would think that we'll see if there are any teams that decide to come snooping around Terry McLaurin to see if they could try to pry loose Terry McLaurin, who by the way, I cannot envision the commanders moving on from him no matter how disgruntled he may be.

Again, it's sort of like TJ Watt. You can't imagine that these two sides, as far apart as they are today, wouldn't be able to somehow find a way to bridge their differences and figure out a solution. But today, McLaurin and the commanders are not close. Watt and the Steelers are not close. And those will be two of the storylines that we are tracking as we get ready for training camp. A couple great players, we'd love to see them play for the Indianapolis Colts at quite a discounted rate. And welcome them to our city. Pat, every team in the league would love to see Terry McClern or TJ Watt playing in their

city. Everybody. Not as much as Indianapolis though. Okay, okay, you're right. Indianapolis wants them more than the other cities. Yeah, J.W. Merrill will put a picture of both of them. That's right, it looks cool. They would have to play at quite a discounted rate,

I would say. It would certainly be a year to prove it, but we'd love to have them. All right, Shafty, good luck out there, man. How was your game? How was your game? Terrible, I was walking down with Neil Shipley. I'm like, what will you shoot today?

He goes, I'm about a 70, give or take a few strokes either way, 67 if I'm playing well, 73. he is! Hey come on! Big dog! Hey how you doing man? Good to see you dude. Yeah yeah you can't you can't I got my earbuds in so otherwise. Hey Shepter will you translate for us? Hey will you tell him that we think he looks good and it's great to see him great hair. They think you look great and they love your hair. They think I should be growing my hair the same way you have yours. I didn't say that. Thank you. All right. Good luck out there. He's shooting at 67 today. I'm shooting about 167. Can you ask them how similar it is to when the US open was there? How it is today like how you're gonna play on it first

Is it similar to the way the US Open was when they play here now or not? Close the rough is a little shorter he says okay and ask him. How do I become a member at that place? I just got to pay the fee. I got to get invited You know, you know what I was actually gonna talk to people but I don't want to overstep my path Pat wants to know what he has to do to get out here and play around Don't be a member. This is all. You need to call him.

We got to get that done. We're going to work on that, Pat. I'm here two days, OK? And by the way- Are you staying there? Yeah. See, that's what I'm talking about. That would be if I-

There it is. I want you to become a member. On the course. But that's in-ball. That's the dream, yeah. I've never even been there. I've never even- A huge shout out to Joe Schmidt and Steven Eisen steven eisenberg who invited that i don't

know what i'm doing like eisenberg and schmidt the boys come on now obviously can you can you come out i'm like sure i think i got nothing going on like there's nothing gonna happen in the nfl it's not like there's gonna be three players traded in the morning then i go to oakmont it's not like i'm gonna walk into the locker room and see neil shippley it's not like i'm gonna be into the locker room and see Neil Shipley. It's not like I'm gonna be admiring Windham. Hey, what up, though? Look at this guy. How we doing?

We're playing with two. Hey, how's Michigan doing? How we looking? He wants to know how's Michigan doing. Great. He's taking it. He's taking everybody's ass. That's Wink, defense coordinator from Michigan,

obviously formerly of the Baltimore Ravens and the New York Giants. He's in my foursome today, too. That's Oakmont, baby. That's one of the greatest minds in the history of ball right there, that guy. Also, grade A good time haver. Yeah. Great.

All right, we appreciate the hell out of you, Shefford. Good luck, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Shefford. Yeah, Shefford. Wink Martindale's the guy. How about that? What? Cameo.

Wink loves the show. He loved the pod too, speaking of. Yeah, I remember that, yeah. When are you guys bringing season two back? Good question. Season two of what? Season two of what? Season two of what? The pod.

Oh, I think that's one of those things where you thought something existed, but it actually never. No, this isn't the moon landing, Tony. This is the mag Mandela effect. The Mandela, when you remember a different one. Like Shaq being in Kazam. The pod never existed.

So what could we bring back? Tony, come on. Listen, we've been in the writers room the last I don't know hard eight months just hammering out episode after episode after episode after episode. So we're getting close We're getting close It's one of those things where we really don't want to release it until it's perfect that writer strike really slowed things down I was five years ago. Yeah, it's still affecting us today YouTube TV Hi, they were trying to reach out to the pod. Yeah, I bet they were.

Is that what you guys? Yeah. Needed that. Mr. Kim. Preliminary discussions, exactly. So there's just a lot of stuff going on. A lot of people tell me it's me. This is a hot.

Just so you, Foxy, will you please? Yeah, oh yeah, 100%. This is not us. We're the biggest podiacs you guys got, bro. Since day one. It's Mr. Kim, man. Look, you mentioned him there. And I know he doesn't like to be talked about but mr. Kim There's a few things that we thought he would love

Mr. Kim didn't love them really had to go back to the drawing board But now we are almost at the point where mr. Kim has given us the okay Well, I'm excited for you guys to deal with mr. Kim and to meet mr. Kim someday Well, I mean look he's a tough son of a bitch. You can hold us I know you get the's got different representation. I understand you guys have been through a couple of these, and it feels like Mr. Kim is the right one for you guys. I think he is the one.

Have we heard an episode of the pod since Mr. Kim has come around? He might not be. No, not at all. No, he might. He's not a berry, though. He might not be. That's what?

As a potty-ack? Same, yeah. A huge potty-ack. Mr. Kim? Foxy potty-ack? Biggest potty-ack on Earth. No, you're not bigger than me brother I guarantee I am alright anyways. We missed your show

We missed it too man YouTube TV is looking at it and wondering and they're also They try to get avid sports fans to feel more ease okay Hey, you look a little tight Relax, okay fine They know that you want access All right fuck it. They have access to all their favorite sports and live TV. YouTube TV is the greatest.

YouTube TV, obviously the developers of the quad box. They're the people that said, you know what, this is what everybody's going to want eventually anyways. How are you able to keep up with all the sports happening at one time? What if you happen to have 11 games on in the same time slide? What if you happen to have 11 games on in the same time slot? What if you happen to have 10 games on at the same time? What if there's multiple sports taking place, NHL, NBA happening at the same time? And my favorite show.

Yeah. YouTube TV says, you should be able to watch it all. And then when one goes to commercial, go ahead and just bop over to the other one or bop up to the top right quadrant. Or how about this, top left, leave it there. Listen to one particular thing like Red Zone and then have three other games on happening at the same time YouTube TV said let's go ahead and give you an assist an alley

oop if you will so shout to YouTube TV and whenever you hit that QR code two months 59.99 it's a great deal great game and clutch actually last night during the PGA playoff in the start of the United States men's soccer game could have both of those on at the same time. Yeah, the soccer game for the men, don't look now, we got a team. We do. Now LeBron James might be leaving the Lakers. That's big news.

What? What's the quote? What are you talking about? It's just, it's a possibility. He just opted in. He opted in, then he said, what's the future look like? And then, you know, Shom Charania saying, hey, he's just won the war. They're looking to see what the Lakers do.

They want to win championship. Want to win championship. What does that mean? We'll talk to Shom Charania in about 35 minutes or so. Can't wait to get the latest on that. Feels like LeBron's going to be a Laker, right? Yeah. I don't know. Sure. We should find out what Shom Yeah, I don't know. Sure.

We should find out what Shom says, and do we know at this exact moment? When you talk about most craziest offseason ever, LeBron being a part of it, Giannis being a part of it, when will moves be made? Kevin Durant already traded. I mean, these are legends of the NBA.

We'll talk to Shoms in a bit. The United States men's soccer team though, good. Yeah. We got a team. All the way back. Tough. We got a real team. We got dogs dogs and we got a coach that looks in the camera and says what you want from me? I love everything about it. I feel like such a dickhead forever questioning the Ponshite. I do after watching that yesterday Not only just what he's wearing too. He's got the suit, but he's like, you know, I'm gonna be casual

I'm not gonna wear a tie. He's got to just the black tee under it I mean we got the guy he was talking to America right there. That's a come on. Yeah, let's go We got a team, you know The lot of the stars aren't playing in this gold cup and we just beat Costa Rica were moving into the semi-finals Hey, it's Canada the Canada. Oh, I saw they were in the quarterfinals of the gold cup as well Really? Yeah, I lost in a shoot-up. Oh Yeah, well we want to shoot up cuz we Oh, you guys lost in a shoot-up? Well, we won a shoot-up because we got a guy named Matt Freeze who's six foot four out of Harvard. He got his hand, he blocked three out of six penalty shots last night. Got his hand on five out of six, I do believe. Oh,

yeah, we're talking about an absolute dog. This guy's a specimen. Now, this is his first time playing goalie for us in a full-time rate because the gold cup, because the stars aren't playing or whatever. Who's our normal goalie? Guys really good. Turner. Turner, okay. So Turner, very good, great player. Freeze though, is getting an opportunity here

and he was taking advantage of it, making the most of it. Watching him, he knew exactly where they were going. This wasn't guess, this wasn't luck. He was reading the shit out of these people. He had them dialed in. And even the ones that they scored, he was near. It just so happen to go in there. This guy was locked in we got a dude in Matt Freeze We got a coach I believe in punch

Yeah, and I think we're finding the right team kind of leading in the World Cup. We got dogs Yes, our guys are dogs. They wasn't like there's a lot of flopping from the Costa Rica side Sure, that's a flopping going on our guys running, our guys got moxie. I feel good about our team representing our country going ahead. Yeah. These last two weeks, I feel like at least me personally, I've just been hating on the United States men's soccer team and kind of started watching last night strictly because, you know, it was like a hate watch event for me, but by halftime they won me over. Like the way they play you mentioned the style, like they weren't really flopping

It seemed like they were talking shit to both Costa Rica and the refs sometimes when they disagreed with the call and poncho every time they showed punch It seemed like he was getting the boys going saying something hyping people up. I'm all in I got my poncho on for good, baby It's raining right now at the end of of the game, actually, at the end of full time, straight into penalties is crazy. Ball gets hit down the sideline, punch in his sport coat, because he's trying to steal it. One touch, boom. Rate to our guy to do a throw in, blow it dead. It was like this dude's on the sideline, ball comes over, boom.

I'm like, I love this. And the type of team he wants, he's like, we got a lot of good players good players But we need fighters is basically what he said coming in. We need to find guys It's like we might have a squad now with that being said, let's not get too excited. That's a good point We win this gold cup though, and we are once again the concrete for Kings It's gonna be hard not to get a full-on patriotism Haha, if you know what I'm saying if we win the gold club cup I think you have to you have to just admit that we are the favorites to win the world Yes, I think I think it's just it is what it is and you know, we were kind of saying hey

All of our best guys aren't playing this is probably what exactly what they needed like we needed some of those like guys Yeah, exactly guys who we are gonna need in order to win the World Cup and they played unbelievable or they have so far I heard a commentary say that some of the big names are gone so that some of these younger guys have a chance to peacock a little bit because it's their team and they're getting the confidence at the right time. Now we were afforded the opportunity to debut a special exclusive trailer from Netflix. Answer the phone and Brad sounds like he's out of breath. You know he's Jared you know. Oh thank God we got you on the phone you know sounds like he's out of breath. You know, he's, Jared, Jared, you know.

Oh, thank God we got you on the phone. We're so excited to have you here. We're so excited. When we got the opportunity to land him, it was a no-brainer because I had an idea of what we were going to start going through, and I knew how resilient he was, and just thought that he'd be a good fit for the journey we were about to take. You know Dan gets on the phone and says the same thing you know we can't believe we were able to get this done and we can't wait to see you. I remember the call and I remember my excitement and I just I wanted to

make sure he understood how excited we were how excited I was you're gonna be part of the foundation you're gonna we're gonna build this from the ground up you're gonna be a huge part of this and you're ours. Like you belong with us. We're going to be tied to the hip. It kind of brought me from this moment of like picking up the pieces to like reinvigorated with this energy of like, oh, like this is what it feels like to truly be wanted and to have, you know, these guys behind you.

And I hadn't felt that in quite some time. I was going to dinner with my friends that night I remember you called me and you told me the news I remember you were like will you come with me? I was like yeah Detroit I don't even know like I didn't even know I've never been to Michigan. I didn't hesitate but I also did not know what I was getting myself into in a good way and a bad way. I can't imagine like having stayed in LA that whole time. A lot of people saw it as like I was being cast away or I was being sent to my career a die and I think you know a lot of people in my former organization might have thought that as well. For me I saw it as what an incredible opportunity to be somewhere

that has never won and has never been to the top of the mountain and how incredible would it be if we're able to build this thing and do a winner. I mean that's my guy, you know, that's my quarterback. Every head coach has got a quarterback. If you want to have success you better have a quarterback and I got one. Jared Goff. To be able to be with a head coach who's a first time head coach and a GM who's a first time GM and be able to be the first decision they made when they got here and prove them right and you know how great of an opportunity is that and uh sorry I'm trying not to cry but it uh it uh it's

it's been so incredible to build with them, but that moment of hearing them on the phone, knowing that the opportunity that I had here was special. Hell yeah, it was, and it has certainly turned out to be the executive producer of that show and about a thousand others, two-time Super Bowl champion and Hall of Famer, and fresh out of the Manning Passing Academy's 29th year. Ladies and gentlemen, Peyton Manning. Yay! Hey, obviously we just watched that together here and it was a beautiful kind of retelling or recapping of how Jared Goff got to Detroit

because we all remember it from the outside looking in. Sean McVeigh was in Mexico, Matthew Stafford was there, they were having a good time. Jared Goff got his ass kicked out of town. He was a third string quarterback, I believe, for the Rams at the very end of that whole thing. Seeing his story, his side, and how Detroit views it is beautiful. Is there a lot of that this season on quarterback,

or what should we expect from Burrow Goff and then Cousins again? You know, Pat, this is our third year doing quarterback or doing the Netflix kind of follow Doc series. We did quarterback the first year, we did receiver the next. Now we're back with quarterback. And I think when all these quarterbacks sign up, look, I tell them, hey, we want the football.

We want to go behind the ropes a little bit. We do not want to be a distraction. And all of them from the Homes to Joe to Kirk and to Jared, they all end up giving us more than we ask of them. We wanted to follow Jared golf this season. We weren't asking him to recap that tough moment of getting traded from the Rams, but he wanted to talk about it. And he wanted to talk about how he got to Detroit and kind of what that meant to him. So we were glad to be there to hear all that because he really hasn't told that

story and I think you'll hear a lot of that from all three of the quarterbacks. So things that you haven't seen that you haven't heard before. I think it kind of speaks to how comfortable they are with Omaha and NFL films and Netflix following them around. I think the best thing, Pat, is that nobody really knows that we're following them all year. This is not a camera in the cafeteria with Joe Burrow. Everybody's like, oh, look at Joe.

He's got this camera with him the whole time. NFL films, Omaha, Netflix, we just kind of blend in and we just want to be kind of a fly on the wall and to take the viewer behind the ropes of what it's like to play quarterback. And you'll see Jared Goff and Ben Johnson designing these really cool plays that Detroit had that maybe Caleb Williams might have now in Chicago, but that maybe Caleb Williams might have now in Chicago, but cool plays and where they get the idea. You'll see just how calm and cool Joe Burrow is all the time. Not only he sweats the entire season, even when he's playing against the Ravens, he's that calm and cool. And you'll see Kirk Cousins handle an incredibly tough

situation with incredible grace and you'll come out pulling for him once again like you did in season one. So that's what I'm excited about this season for quarterback. I mean three very different stories throughout the season. You know the Detroit Lions number one seed in the NFC they battle through so many injuries too. I'm excited to see the leadership behind the scenes whenever that whole situation brews. The Cincinnati Bengals had the year that they had and obviously they had an entire offseason

the way it's gone. And then Kirk Cousins with the Pinnock situation I mean what a wild chance to experience life as an NFL quarterback you continue to blaze trails brother We can't wait to catch up with that July 8th quarterback premieres on Netflix. Thank you for getting us through the summer We will thank you in advance for that Let's talk about a summer tradition for the last 29 years Manning Passing Academy Obviously you're fresh out of the most recent one. How was the weekend down there? A lot

of people saying it looked like maybe you boozed a little bit the night before this photo. Part of playing quarterback is having a few Bud lights, you know, on all that. But you're at the eight o'clock staff meeting the next morning, right? If you've got to, if you've got to soar with the Eagles, as my dad said, if you've got to hoop with the Owls, you've got to soar with the Eagles. So it's kind of a good sign for a quarterback if you're there at that 8 o'clock meeting. We had perfect attendance at every 8 o'clock meeting. Love that!

Love that! Hasn't always been the case in years past certain quarterbacks and maybe that was a good sign that maybe they weren't ready to play quarterback. But another great year, look we had almost 1500 campers and then we had 47 college quarterbacks. We had over 120 top high school coaches and former NFL coaches or small college coaches from around the country. That's our staff. We're trying to make these entering eighth graders through entering 12th

graders, quarterbacks, receivers, tight ends running backs, better high school football players. Pat, that is our goal. If they all go on to play college in the NFL, that's great. But our goal is to make them better high school players. And most of the college camps now, Pat, they aren't really doing that as much anymore, right? They're kind of recruiting camps. They're running 40s, they're running vertical jumps.

And I get that. They're trying to decide who they're gonna recruit. We like teaching the basic fundamentals of playing quarterback. And it's fun time for me to be with my dad, my two brothers, Cooper and Eli, my nephews, Arch and Hyde were there. My brother, my son Marshall attended the camp

So it's certainly a family affair as well Yeah, I posted that photo obviously was posted for man and past Academy of your entire crew there Not not your kid, but this all and I was just like this family has done so much for football legitimately And I texted your dad this I said hey I just want to say thank you to you and your family For the amount of commitment to our sport that you have done You have tried to showcase our sport in every single fashion that you possibly could since retirement, let alone all that you gave

while you were playing. Eli the same way, Archie the same exact way, and now it's arch season baby. That's what the world is kind of waiting for. And so I want to say thank you to the Mannings legit. You guys are committed to ball, like committed to ball, and we appreciate the hell out of that now on the passing To me when I was playing and I think all these college guys felt the same way arch Garrett Nussmeyer Like I said all the other quarterbacks It's just a great reminder of how great the game is and how lucky we are to be to be playing or to be involved With it when you're out there in Thibodeau, Louisiana. It's 96 degrees

to be playing or to be involved with it. When you're out there in Thibodeau, Louisiana, it's 96 degrees. We're in three a day practices. And you don't hear one high school kid complain about how hot it is. Matter of fact, we tell them, hey, go back to your dorm room, get a nap in between practices.

They're all outside the dorm throwing. They're always asking questions to the quarterbacks. Hey, tell me how to help with my spiral. Tell me how to help, which by the way, I can't help with that. Tell me how to help with my spiral, tell me how to help, which by the way, I can't help with that. Tell me how to help with my three step or five step drop. So it's just a great reminder of what a great game it is. And so it comes at the perfect time every year,

late June, right before teams are going back to training camp, going back to summer workouts. And to me, that's the best part about it. Hey kid, you can throw a duck pretty good too. You know, you want a cup of soup bowls with a duck throw, don't worry about that. D-Bot has a question about the MPA. Yeah, so 29 years, awesome, 1,500 campers.

Over, I guess, the last three decades, how much have the campers changed, I guess, with the questions and the things? The game has changed so much in between the lines, but even outside the lines with NIL and all these different things that they're dealing with at an early age how much has that changed over the years? Yeah it's a great question and you know Tyler Shuck who was a counselor for two years he was at Louisville Texas Tech Oregon he came back to the camp now he's the Saints first round draft choice which is very rare

We don't really ask current NFL quarterbacks to come because you know, this is their vacation time and Tyler came back I wanted to share his knowledge with the college counselors and with the high school Athletes and he just said look because he's lived in this NIO world Keep the main thing the main thing thing. Go out and have fun. Your senior year in high school, your senior year in college. Don't worry about all of the outside noise and distractions, especially if you wanna go play at the next level.

You gotta make the main thing, the main thing. So that's easier said than done because people are pulling on them. They have different commitments, different directions. But I thought that was great advice. That you still gotta go out there and work in the office you gotta go out there perform on friday nights on saturday afternoons so uh... we were certainly concerned a couple years ago with NIL

with the portal would that affect the attendance of our camp from our high school kids from our college players it hasn't uh... people still come down and wanna ask questions john gruden was there he was given the NFL, he was given the college players some advice, he did a clinic for our high school coaches, which was awesome. You can imagine how animated he is. And so it's been able to kind of maintain the reason we started the camp, and it's hard to believe we're coming up on 30 years next year. I saw Coach Gruden got an Archie Manning jersey. I believe you want crazy. You believe this man?

Yeah, it was a cool moment. I love how much Gruden's giving back to ball as well Let's talk about the quarterback position as a whole good Connor Yeah, you just kind of mentioned how part of a quarterback's duties are having a couple Bud lights with the boys You know the night before but then still showing up at the 8 AM meeting. And being a leader, showing up and standing up for your teammates, of course, those things as well are important as a QB. But for you off the field when it comes to being a quarterback, what are kind of the most important traits you need to have just as,

of course, a player, but just a teammate in general? Yeah, look, to me when I watch an NFL or college game and I see a quarterback drop back and throw a deep go-round down the sideline and maybe the corner is there and the free safety is over there I watch how the receiver fights for the ball. Does he go up and go up and make the catch amongst two defenders. Does he tackle the defensive back? Because there's no way I'm going to let my quarterback get this pass intercepted. It's going to be incomplete pass interference.

No way it's going to be an interception. And that tells me how much that receiver respects his quarterback. That he's going to fight for him, right? Sometimes you don't see that. Sometimes you see the receiver kind of go, hey, I don't really care if it's intercepted and it's double covered. He shouldn't be throwing it anyway. I want to see him fighting for the quarterback. And that's up to the quarterback to get those guys fighting for him. By the way, he handles them in practice, how he handles himself in the locker room.

Is he a guy that these linemen want to fight and block for? These receivers want to go up and get the ball for. So it's not always with the rah rah pep talk for say you don't have to give a speech every day as a quarterback, but you better be there on time, you better stay late, you better be tough, you better be in the conditioning front of the line, you're not going to be the fastest or bench press the most, but you better be kind of setting the example in the conditioning endurance aspect of it and I think all those things go into being a good quarterback and your teammates following you. I told the story the other day about first punt period when I was with the Colts you know it's

normally special teams especially punt period everybody kind of clears the field because you know balls are about to get tossed out there and while I'm sitting back for the first nap I'm with the Indianapolis Colts holy shit I'm in the NFL I'm playing a position I don't really understand I have never really been an NFL punter I'm watching you and the other quarterbacks run gassers across the field on the other end full pads helmet on everything like that and that was a consistent it's like everybody else kind of off the field you're out there doing sprints now Clyde Christensen told me well it's the only time we can get the field right right like that's only and it's like everybody else kind of off the field. You're out there doing sprints now. Clyde Christensen told me

Well, it's the only time we can get the field right, right? Like that's only and it's like but also that is quite a statement like hey listen, you can get shit done right now I think everything you did had purpose and meaning and That's why it was an honor to be your teammate with that being said I know you've tried to stay out of the way. So is Eli. I'm here to answer all questions Let's talk about Arch. Okay. I'm excited for him. I'm here to answer all questions. Let's talk about Arch Okay, I'm excited for him. I'm no offense to you. Okay. No offense to you or to Eli Feels like he has a chance to have what you have

Have what Eli has and then also Feels like he's got what your dad your dad had a little bit more of All these things coming together plus him understanding what a quarterback should be like in a locker room. I think he was at a Wingo's cookout just like two weeks ago. Obviously this hit the internet one crazy. It's like this makes sense for how a quarterback especially a Manning led quarterback would operate. You invited me down to a golf outing and had some beers and learned about me and my family and talked to my dad, invited my dad to do something. It's like very much a part of the Manning way of leading is

like being a good teammate, being a, I want to say investing in the relationship. How do you feel about Arch, now that it's about to be his time? Like, hey, we're here now. This is Arch season for Texas. How do you feel and has he reached out to you or Eli much through it all? Yeah, you know, Pat, look, Eli and I are his uncles. We try to be there as a resource for him. But you know, Cooper has done a great job with Arch and they've handled all the different things that have kind of come their way in the right way and I'm excited to watch Arch play.

He's been very patient. I thought he threw the ball really well at the camp. He and Garrett Nussmeyer in kind of our three throwing exhibitions really threw the ball well, all the quarterbacks threw it well. It's impressive. I mean, they make throws that I wouldn't even think about making. I mean, Arch made a throw the other day that I didn't need the cutoff man To the actual receiver and Nussmeyer Lenores for South Carolina, I mean it's impressive all the way around but look he's been patient

You know, it's been well documented the fact that he's you know, look been there two years. I'm such a believer in Mastering the system that you're in and when you have new coordinators every single year in the NFL or college, that's just frustrating to me. I was lucky, you know, Tom Moore, Pat was there my entire 14 year career. Belichick gave Brady some different coordinators, Charlie Wise, McDaniels, O'Brien, but it was the same system, right?

Nick Saban makes his quarterbacks, our new coordinators learn his system. So does Kirby. And so the fact that Sarkeesian calls the plays, that Archie's been there two years already, is gonna know the system. That's gonna be a huge advantage for him. And I'm looking forward to seeing him

get out there on the field. He's worked real hard. I love seeing him going to that camp for his teammate. That's being a good teammate. That's being a good wingman. And I'm excited to get down there and watch a few games this year in Austin. I love the moxie he's got too.

The breaking of chains after running somebody. And I think he got concussed. I mean, you don't have to give us anything. I think he got concussed in the- Ohio State. That, the moxie, I mean, that was his dad. I mean, Cooper was a cocky wide receiver that was open every time in the huddle, as you can imagine.

I think my sophomore year in high school, I was a senior, I think I completed 120 passes a year. I threw 90 of them to my brother, okay? And he would have liked all 120. I mean, he did not care about his teammates or his friends. I think that little swagger comes from his dad. And that's good to see. Look, Archie's got to be his own person.

And he can move. Yeah, my dad's sort of speed, sort of skipped a generation, skipped me and Eli. And I think Arch has that, which helps him. But I still think, look, all quarterbacks, I mean, we gotta be able to throw from the pocket first and throw it on time and not take a lot of hits. That's what we talked about to all of them. Hey, know your system, know your answers. But then when it's time to make a play, go out there and make a play with your legs.

But so I think he understands that. Yeah, I love everything about him. I do. The way he's handled this, the way everybody has handled the entire process, I was excited for him to get in the game last year. Oh yeah. Hey, now we're in Arch. I was pushing hard.

A little bit too big of a platform at this stage for me to be doing that. Caused some shit. Had to back off. I don't want to start any problems with anybody. But watching Arch, I think I met Arch when he was just a little boy over at Eli's apartment back in the day.

And he was like, always had Moxieie and now we're watching him do his thing I'm like we want that guy and there's a lot of teams saying hey Let's not be scared to lose a lot of games this year. Maybe next year we can get Arch on our team now There's a quarterback situation brewing here in Indianapolis. Go ahead Ty. Yeah Payton I don't know if you've ever actually been in a quarterback competition in your entire life So maybe you don't you know have as good of an answer for this But when you look at what's going on with the Colts Anthony Richardson, obviously they draft him high They want him to be the guy of the future and it's kind of you know

There's been glimpses, but he's getting hurt a lot and then Danny Dimes comes in this offseason and you know with a chance to kind of Reclaim his career I guess when you have an actual quarterback competition like that and a guy like Anthony Richardson's hurt and he can't really take the reps but he needs a lot of the reps. Like what is a way that you can actually get ahead? Cuz I think you were a guy who never wanted to secede any reps to anyone else. So in that situation, how would both of those guys get ahead?

Because at this point, we still really have no idea who's gonna be the quarterback. Yeah, look, I know all those quarterbacks, speaking of the Manning Pass Academy, Anthony came, Daniel came, Rodney Leonard came. So you get to know all of them, you pull for all of them. And look, I think competition can be good. I know that's what Shane and Chris are looking for, to this competition to push both those guys and hopefully whoever comes out as the starter is over the season with a little swag and a little bit of edge because he just won a tough quarterback competition.

Certainly with Anthony being injured, that's tough, right? That's frustrating. I know he wants to be out there today, throwing with his receivers, a little bit of a test of patience there. And obviously by him being injured that gives Daniel more repetitions. I mean the toughest thing when you're in a quarterback competition, it's tough for the receivers as well, is who do you really get good timing with if you're only throwing 50% of the routes with each guy, right? I know receivers would prefer to have one guy as the starter and get the refs with that guy. So

You know, we'll see how it shakes out through training camp I think it's a healthy situation for the Colts and I think whoever comes out of that is gonna be gonna be ready to go Week one against the Dolphins were honoring honoring Jim Urshad going into the ring of honor I'll be at that game Pat so I'm pulling for both guys I want to see Anthony get back there and get healthy as you know long season sometimes it takes more than one quarterback to play the entire season so but I'm excited for Daniel getting this opportunity he deserves it and like I said I hope Anthony gets back out there healthy and has a shot as well.

I ran into Dimes downtown. He's huge. Did not know that he was as large of a human as he is and obviously he's very mobile and Anthony Richardson, you talk about cutoff man. I mean he made like three of those throws last year where he just back foot 70 yards. Obviously the talent is there. Hopefully it's able to come together our last question We appreciate you so much for your time here from Pittsburgh Steelers fan who's flying high right now a P tone Yeah, I am flying very high with getting Jalen Ramsey today, which is just huge huge news It feels like the Steelers are going all in but my question for you Peyton is after the Steelers got Aaron Rodgers I immediately thought you go into the Denver Broncos winning the Super Bowl there, Tom Brady going to the Bucks winning

a Super Bowl there. How do you feel about Aaron going to the Steelers and what exactly does a 20-year NFL vet quarterback who's won four NFL MVPs bring to a young offense? Yeah, look, I'm excited for Aaron. It's a good opportunity. I saw Arthur Smith earlier this spring and they were still trying to kind of figure out what they were trying to do. But he certainly acknowledged that Aaron was a possibility, and he was excited about that

possibility. So I think the offensive coordinator is excited about it. That's a good thing. You've heard Aaron talk about that he and Arthur, you can tell they've already had quite a bit of dialogue on, you know, trying to get on the same page and make that system work for both of them. But look, there's no substitute for experience and what Aaron can do to help these receivers. And you wouldn't think that would take a lot of time, you know, for them to kind of get on the same page just because Aaron's played with so many guys and kind of knows how to make those adjustments. I think the whole team needs to do their part as well, right?

Defense needs to be the Pittsburgh Steelers and put Aaron in some tough situations and probably not expecting him to go out there and score 40 each week. But I'm looking forward to seeing it. Look, it's a big change. I know Aaron did it with the Jets and maybe got hurt and whatnot. It wasn't maybe what he was hoping for. So hopefully this is a good chapter for him and can finish strong if it is his last year. And I know Tom just talked about going down to Tampa and that was exciting.

It was kind of new, right? Going to a new school and I felt that way when I went to Denver. So it can be kind of invigorating for a quarterback. So hopefully Aaron kind of takes that energy and goes out there and plays really well this year. Oh, we're going to the new school. All right. Let's pick up, let's go to the new school over there.

A little old school in Pittsburgh for the Steelers. Jalen Ramsey got signed or traded this morning. So that literally just happened. So feels like 30 million on DK Metcalf. They're gonna have to pay TJ Watt and figure that whole thing out. It's like, is this the year for the Pittsburgh Steelers? We shall see.

It's been an honor to interview you and Elvis Presley, brother. And you, I don't know if it made the cut or not, but I've seen the clip of you being Elvis Presley at Saturday Night Live. You're a huge King fan, right? I mean, you're a fan of the King. I love him.

I love him. He was a football fan, Pat. He loved it. I mean, he was a Browns fan. He was a Steelers fan. He used to request like NFL highlights, sit down there to Graceland. He always had kind of his entourage.

They were playing pickup football games. And so that's what I've kind of learned About Elvis not only do I love his music. He loved football as well So I would have loved to have met him and yeah, I have lots of Elvis memorabilia here in my house He's dog Elvis was an absolute dog. Have people seen the clip? Has it was that a public one? I don't remember you be Remember it didn't make the cut and it was kind has it was that a public one I don't remember you remember it didn't make the cut and it was kind of it was a dress rehearsal you do before Saturday night live which is awesome you get to go out there and kind of test jokes and

see what's gonna be funny I wish I could have done a dress rehearsal before a few football games Pat like I'm not gonna make that throw that's not gonna work out I'll you know fix that the real thing's not gonna work out. I'll, you know, fix that and the real thing. So I did an Elvis skit in the dress rehearsal. Did not make the final cut. I don't think I pulled off Love Me Tender as well as Laura Michaels wanted me to. I think you did.

I've seen the clip. That one, that's first ballot. This one is a first ballot. Hopefully one day Omaha will let that thing eat. Congrats on all the success. Have a great summer, brother. Thanks Pat. Thanks fellas. Ladies and gentlemen, Peyton Manning.

Yeah. We appreciate Peyton joining us earlier today. The news of the Jalen Ramsey trade happened during our conversation with Peyton Manning. We did not even know about the Minka Fitzpatrick news or the John O. Smith at that particular time because the way the trade was rolled out this morning was wild. Heads up, Jalen Ramsey's going to the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's because Jalen Ramsey breaks his own news, put out a highlight video that was awesome.

Talking about how tough Pittsburgh is basically, and how traditional and how historic the franchise is and how he's joining the team. That's how he broke the news. So everybody's like, holy hell, Jalen Ramsey's going to the Steelers. And then the insiders got their chance to get there. Boom, ba-da-bang, ba-da-boom, ba-da-bam. Then we hear Minka Fitzpatrick's John Smith's going, two late round picks, who's paying for all this? Who's doing what? Wow, the Steelers are all in.

That was this morning while we were talking. To Peyton Manning, it's been a great day to be an NFL fan. Is it a great day to be a Dolphins fan? I think Dolphins fans are saying yeah. Sure. We got Minka back. It's been a great day to be an NFL fan. Is it a great day to be a Dolphins fan? I think Dolphins fans are saying, yeah. Sure. You got me, Kabet. It's warm. It is.

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102, nine year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler. So we're rounding up like we were talking about. You always do. Hold on. Okay, if it's higher than 0.5, you round up. Jett Passon did a little, well, let's, yeah. Well, actually, you. He said it's 101.7 miles an hour,

and then he actually put out the number of pitches that have been thrown this year. 163 pitchers have been thrown, harder than 101.7, which is the exact velocity, okay? On the stadium, they don't go to points. No. They just rounded up over five. It's going up, under five, it's going down.

That is the hardest pitch of his MLB career. Ohani did hit 102 miles an hour, world baseball classic. Funny enough, against Vinny Pasquantino uh as well and obviously they had another moment there so maybe Shohei Otani is uh gonna do full-time pitching as well even though all the baseball people let's go to the talk show table at Posse Conner at Ty Schmitt 102 miles an hour 101.7 miles an hour no you say 102 let's not do that okay is he doing well and i think it was another no hitter i believe yeah he threw two innings this time. I mean it's really it's just risk reward because obviously like he's got unbelievable stuff so he could do it it's just the risk of injury is is definitely there but if he's

going out and pumping 102 early and often and not you know giving up any hits like the the Dodgers need starting pitching right now very very badly. I don't love the show. Hey hates Italians I'm just gonna say that oh Fastest pitches are against Vinny. I jack some up Sees me gets all discrimination past we can un-passed Bantino actually did quote tweet that he's like what the fuck Was this guy doing? Okay, so maybe there is a chance that his respect level for paisanos is that a level where he feels like He has to throw harder. Yeah, or you know, maybe you just happen to catch it a couple of times 163 pitches That's not a lot of pitches in the grand scheme of a baseball season, right?

No, no, but I mean I'd be interested to see how many of those 163 pitches how many guys that came from because that would really tell us You know like oh how many guys are really throwing that hard because if it's only a handful of guys then Shohei is clearly in rarefied air and you know start spreading the news i'm leaving today i want to be a part of it. New York! Mets! Okay, what's going on? The Pirates just smacking them around! That's what we've been saying about this Pirates team. We've been saying since they got their new super duper manager guy, Don Kelly, salty ball. They've been playing a little gritty baseball out there. They just annihilated a team that's paying a guy $750 million. We have never in the history of the Pirates paid an entire team $750 million.

And the fact that we are doing this, are the Pirates hot? Don't look now. Are the Hondo boys about to make a run in the playoffs? Are the Pittsburgh Pirates about to be bucking all around playoffs up there? I mean I think you would have to argue that they're incredibly hot. Better than the Mets! By far. Exactly, I mean the Mets are a good baseball team. They've been in quite the schneid as of late, but hey listen you beat anyone in the MLB 30 to 4 over a three game series. Yeah, I'd say you are playing some salty ball. And maybe if the Buccos win this entire thing? Yeah, I'd say you are playing some salty ball. Maybe if the Buccos win this entire thing Yeah, the whole damn thing the whole damn thing. Well, they call them

Penance. Yeah, that's the whole thing. No, that would be winning the NL which would be sweet Let's start starting we'd like to get that pen it was started winning the wild card. Okay, boom What do you get for winning the wild card game you get a pen it? No, no, no, you just get into the next round of the day They're getting a different different in Pittsburgh They will talk about that game into the next round of the day. They get a different pennant. At Pittsburgh, they will talk about that game for the next 10 years, because that's what happened last time. You're damn right.

I'm still talking about it. Paul Skeen's actually mentioned it going into the season. He believes in the boys in the change room, the clubhouse, in the clubhouse. Obviously all these words, really good, and they carry over to other sports. So that's why it's so easy to kind of do it all. The thing that would be the best, if they were to win the super pennants and the wild cards and the

whole damn thing, Cheryl might take Tim back. There's a chance. There might be a way for Tim to get Cheryl back. Who on the bucko board out there say, listen Cheryl, I know you're at this game. Okay. Please. please I Mean kiss your sister like that Signed him Cheryl knew exactly what he was talking about That was for an audience of one right there Maybe two because Jesus Christ could be looking down here and appreciating Tim's apology in a very public place But I think Cheryl might be gone for good team I think there's a chance Tim needs to maybe turn his attention to Cheryl sister and or

Other fish in the sea and be a better person. I think that is something for Tim to think about I would say go outside the family, you know, leave the system. He made a mistake, you know everybody Yeah, but if you're in the family, at least you understand how they kind of operate Clearly got a little chemistry. Yeah, you got it. I don't think it's no coming back for Cheryl She's she's out of there now understandably. So I mean, it's a lot of fish in the sea. Sister, was it, was it dark? Were they in the, did you think? Are they, are they, are they, are they,

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I was thinking he probably had like 10 to what you like you said, 10, 12 IC lights after a long work week. He was down at a Donnie Iris concert down station scare. Cheryl went to the bathroom. Donnie played one of his romance songs. Aliyah. Yeah. And he said, it gotta happen. Sucks face. Yep. There's a chance. Tim and Cheryl's sister and Cheryl will say,

we're at a Buccos game. Pittsburgh Pirates. And they got a big time win. It was during one of these runs. Zambelli fireworks go off. Cheryl has to go puke. Maybe Tim says, look how beautiful his fireworks are. She kiss.

They suck face. Maybe on the kiss cam. Yeah, maybe on the kiss cam. That's what Pittsburgh love is all about for Tim and Cheryl. And I think if the Buccos were to win the super pennant, Cheryl get back there. The fact that that's real also, Mac is awesome. Oh, you think it's like an angels in the outfield situation

where he said, tell you what, angels win the pennant. I'll come back and be your dad. Cheryl says, pirate Buccos win the pennant. I'll come back and be your dad Cheryl says pirate buck goes with the pen I'll come back beer Yeah, the only way it's gonna happen Tim is if the fucking Pirates win the World Series And then this is what about yeah for Tim the boys in the clubhouse good luck joining us now from a different sport I don't know if he has any inside information on Tim or Cheryl We will certainly try to get it from him senior NBA insider for ESPN the handsome Shamshwanya Ladies and gentlemen, that's AJ Hawk

Do we have yeah, do we have Shams with Cheryl Man I'm like damn I look totally different today. Jesus Similar though similar though, you know similar the whole totally different today, Jesus. I look different. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Similar though. Similar though. You know, similar. The whole. AJ's got the clean face.

He's always clean. He always looks the same. You know, the consistency is important. Well, I think you are the exact same human. Have been since we met. Yeah. Literally the same exact look. Even had the same background.

Remember the spaceship background? Now he's just big time on ESPN. Anyways, AJ, great to see you, brother. Shams, thank you for joining us. I heard via your shit, both an article and a tweet, that LeBron James has opted in to his player decision contract for 52 million bucks. Congrats to him, that's a lot of money, way to go.

And then we also, I believe, continue to read on to this entire thing, that they're evaluating the Lakers and they understand that there's not a few years left. Here's the exact quote. LeBron wants to compete for a championship. He knows the Lakers are building for the future. He understands that, but he values a realistic chance of winning it all.

We are very appreciative of the partnership that we've had for eight years with Jeannie Buss, who now has sold the team, and Rob Palenka and consider the Lakers as a critical part of his career. We understand the difficulty in winning now while preparing for the future. We do want to evaluate what's best for LeBron at this stage in his life and career. He wants to make every season he has left count and the Lakers understand that and are supportive and want what's best for him. Okay, so there's a lot that said there, but basically after reading it, I found myself thinking, oh, he's doing the same thing as like what Janusz is doing.

Is that an accurate depiction of what's going on with these two superstars? And how real is any of the conversation about Lakers and LeBron splitting potentially? Similar situation in terms of like both players are evaluating seeing what moves are made. Both players want to compete for a championship, want to win a championship. But I think dissimilar in this way, LeBron James is 40 years old. He's gonna be 41 years old in December. He knows whether it's one season left, two seasons left, his time in the NBA is nearing its end.

And obviously, as Rich Paul made clear in his comments to me yesterday, they are prioritizing trying to compete in a quote unquote realistic way to win a championship. And behind the curtains of all that, what you can see is LeBron James where he's at in his career He's got one maybe two years left in his career He wants to end his career on his terms to an extent. He wants to finish or you know and and oh He froze up don't talk about him Yeah, we lost you there a little bit. You're about to say he wants to he wants to end clearly he wants to end his career on his terms his way as far as competing for a

championship trying to realistically have a chance to win a championship and I think in those comments that we saw from rich Paul uh and understanding that the Lakers are moving younger, they're moving toward the future, and prioritizing Luka Dacic really as they should. And from what I gather, Lebron James understands where the Lakers are at in their position. As far as Luka Dacic is the face of this franchise for the next five to 10 years, that's who's going to be the face. And so he understands that they're prioritizing that. I don think he's really asking for them to like change their ways or like bring him back into the fold is the face of the franchise or give it a

give him an extension he's you know I think a lot of people can see there what what's going on and so he wants to finish at the highest level in his career play at the highest level and his career, play at the highest level. And whether that's in LA, whether that's going elsewhere, I mean, clearly, um, that depending on how the Lakers free agency period goes, what they're able to do in free agency, obviously they want to center, uh, they're dealing with Doring, Finney Smith, he opted out of his player option at $15.4 million. If they lose him, what wing do they get to replace him? So what moves did the Lakers make in the off season where LeBron James looks at it?

And he's like, you know what? My best chance to win a championship is right here. And I think those are hard conversations that they're gonna have next week, the week after that, and at some point in July for real. Okay, those quotes came from Rich Paul who's obviously agent, entrepreneur, maybe the greatest hustler in the history of the United States of America. I saw some clips of him talking to Matt Ishby chit chatting about what could happen in the draft,

him making some calls that ended with Kamau and Maluwak ending up with the Phoenix Suns. So I mean, Rich Paul obviously legend. And whenever he says something, there's obviously a reason behind it and a meaning we would assume, especially if you're reporting it at this exact time and Yon is doing the same thing I think this is kind of a normal thing in the NBA

Did we did we expect this from LeBron this type of and is Luca not? You know, how's Luca feel about all this stuff? Luca D'Azzio was made aware him in his circle were made aware before this came out but what I would say is it is unusual to an extent because I mean players have options all the time. I mean you're either going to opt in and you're working toward a trade or you're set in your situation or you're opting out and you're a legitimate free agent. In this situation LeBron James at 52.6 million per option, of course he's going to opt into that. When you look at the marketplace, there's only a couple teams with the true max salary space and that's Brooklyn.

Charlotte's got some money, Detroit's got some money, but there's not, you know, are those teams really Lebron James teams? Probably not. And so Lebron James had really one choice and that was to opt in and from there evaluate what the best fit is and listen we know he's gonna play 23 NBA seasons, that much we know. We don't know if he's gonna play more than one more season. That's still something I'm sure he, he, his family they've all got to decide but the one thing we do know now is that he's evaluating how he wants to finish his career, where he wants to finish his career. Is it going to be in LA?

And again, the Lakers have this upcoming week, the next two weeks, there's free agency, there's trades. This is a very busy moment. And Rob Pulinka, the president of Bass Operations, he just got Luka Dacic in February. That's a trade, obviously, that's going to go down in the history books. So clearly, he's not immune to wheeling and dealing. This is what he does. But again, these next two weeks, we'll see what happens.

Yeah, the thought of who's, I mean, D-Block's got a follow-up there. You talked about the money thing. Would that be if he was to opt out, then he becomes a free agent, then those people would have to pay you? Well, that's the thing. If you opt out of then it becomes a free agent, then those people would have to pay you? Well that's the thing. If you opt out of $52.6 million and there's only three teams with that type of salary

cap space, right? You're probably not going to go to those three teams. After that, you're just looking at mid-level exception type deals and that's around $15 million a year. So, you know, the people that are like, oh, if you wanted to just leave, I mean, yeah, you, I mean, to opt out and then sign for $15 million, I mean, talking about saying $ just leave, I mean, yeah, you I mean to opt out and then sign for 15 minutes I mean 40 million I mean

This savvy person doing that but yeah, you mentioned Brooklyn in Detroit there Are those the only I guess realistic options for even if you kid couldn't move players? I saw people saying Cleveland, but they would have to do too much been in the second April so are those the only two realistic spot landing spots potentially for LeBron? I mean we don't know how it's gonna play out but in the event or in a scenario where it does lead to him on you know in free agency I mean at that point he could I mean it could be point he could, I mean, it could be really anything. It could be a minimum.

It could be an exception. I think that becomes secondary, right? Like at that point, if there is a resolution, it's about just figuring out what spot. And he already tweeted about wanting to be a Pacer. So I don't know what we're talking about. He already said, I want to play with Tyrese Hallibur. He said anybody would, and he was obviously a part of anybody.

Man, this is Miami. I don't know, because chocolate chip cookies have actually been pretty, wait till he tries the chocolate chip cookies out here in Indiana. I mean, if LeBron James is moving, obviously that would be a huge ordeal. And we would all be pumped up that are in sports media for us to talk about sports every single day.

We would be very thankful for that type of thing But one thing though that makes this interesting is this is really Pat like a partnership, right? Like the Lakers LeBron James they've been together for seven eight seasons now and he won a championship there They wanted to conference finals there. I mean before he got there. They weren't they weren't a playoff team He gets there obviously they get Anthony Davis, they become a perennial contender year after year. So that partnership, that relationship, that's why these conversations, that's why you have open direct dialogue between both sides.

Jeannie Buss, Rob Polinka, Rich Paul from an agent level, from a representative level, LeBron James himself. I mean, just at the draft, like the Lakers just drafted a do thorough a big man in the second round, they moved up to go draft and that's a clutch towards clients. So like, just because of whatever is going down here or what the statements are that that we're seeing and the Bron James clearly wants to finish his career on his own terms, and wants to make the best decision

for himself, just like the Lakers are making the best decisions for themselves. Like those both can be true while the two sides can conduct business together. Yeah I'll be excited to see how it all works out that would be huge if Yannis moves is there any update on Yannis? Well Yannis is gonna continue to observe. Don't throw up again. If there's no update you say there's no update. There's no updates. Exactly where it's been. Okay, good. Yeah, that's an okay thing. So Yonis is exactly where it's at.

It's going to continue to monitor the moves that are made. And now LeBron is in the monitoring camp as well. Sure. And then if that whole thing was to go, the most craziest off season of all time would certainly take place. Now you talked about the Lakers or we just talked about LeBron watching the Lakers.

Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Shams, you mentioned the Lakers needing a just talked about LeBron watching the Lakers. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Shams, you mentioned the Lakers needing a center and then we just saw, I think it was last night that Deandre Ayton and the Blazers have, you know, agreed to a buyout. So he's going to become a free agent. Is this someone that the Lakers will be targeting big time? And if not him, I would imagine that the Lakers need to do something pretty soon here, right? If you're thinking that, Hey, LeBron might be out of town if we don't start doing something here soon. Ties this surprised everyone in the NBA when Deandre Aiden got bought out.

He had about 35 million left on his deal. And so he gets a buyout. This is a former number one overall pick. He's a stat seven straight years of 10 points, 10 rebounds a game. He's one of four players to do that for seven of the last seasons. He's a guy that was that was a top three player on the Sun's finals team in 2021. So the guy can play. And from my understanding is him, his reps, they went to the Blazers, talked about how

he wants to be in a winning situation. The fact that the Blazers have four or five centers on their roster. Young players are clearly transitioning more toward their young centers and they just decided, listen, a buyout is probably the best route for both sides. Give both sides a fresh opportunity. So now he's in the marketplace. That throws a massive wrinkle into not only the Lakers at center, but other teams at center. So Deandre Ayton immediately moves to the forefront, but then you have Brook Lopez,

you have Clint Capella, Al Horford. So those four center free agents, suddenly you're looking at a center crop that's going to be very, very active. This is a pretty big time center class we're seeing right now. So I would expect the Lakers to look into all those players once free agency starts tonight. Deandre Ayton doesn't clear waves until Wednesday. So that'll take a little bit more time, but the Lakers will be shoring up meetings from my understanding with other available

free agent centers tonight and into the next couple of days. Okay, so there's a lot of moves potentially about to take place and about to happen. Big names potentially rolling out of town in a lot of different towns. The apron talk has really become, I think, a driver or a motivator for teams to make more moves, especially the big contracts. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Sean, you called the Celtics kind of having to change their lineup because of the looming

contract situation. And it feels like now the Mavericks are kind of entering into that realm, if you will, between Clay and Kyrie and AD and now Cooper flag of course and a couple other guys on that team that are kind of warranting more Money gaffer they gave 60 million dollars Could you make the argument that this year is kind of the only year we'll see the Mavericks with this kind of Lineup, do you think they're kind of already looking forward and seeing? What they're gonna have to inevitably do because of how terribly set up the CBA is with this second apron bullshit? Or do you see how maybe it changes and the Mavericks are able to retain everybody because it feels like the worst possible thing you can do is have a bunch of good players on

your team now. So BC, the Mavericks are my valuation and how I've evaluated their structure right now, they're out of the second apron. They're essentially a tax paying first apron type team. And there aren't any contracts really that they're bringing in right now or that they're signing. The fact that Kyrie Irving took three years, 119, that has now allowed them to use their $5.4 million taxpayer mid-level exception.

They're going to look at starting caliber point guards, the Angel Russo, Chris Paul, Malcolm Brogdon. Those are conversations that are going to go on tonight to go get those players. So they've actually been able to keep their salary numbers low. Now again, until Cooper flag hits in a few years when he's going to be a potential max contract, then we're having a different conversation. But this year and really the next two, they're well positioned to stay out of the second apron.

And that means if they want to keep their group together, they can obviously they could make changes as well. But they have actually the way they've lined it up this year in the next two, they're looking like they're going to be out of that wanted second. There is a lot of shit to talk about the NBA in there. Oh yeah. Listen, a second apron. There is a lot of shit to talk about in the NBA in there. Oh yeah. Listen to second April. You heard a lot of deals.

There were a lot of deals yesterday popping off, Pat. And we're not even going yet. Up to something season. Yeah, there was a lot of player options. Five hours away, baby. I mean, this is yesterday. I just saw massive numbers with players decided to, yeah, I guess I'll take 45 million.

Player decided to, yeah, that sounds good to 32 million a year. There was a bunch of those yesterday that were kind of popping off Sunday. That was where the LeBron James opt-in and then the conversation around that really all began. And then free agency tonight, we should expect a lot more

is what you're saying it sounds like. There's gonna be some big deals tonight, Pat. There's gonna be some big deals tonight, Pat. That was good. that was a... Oh, you're pretty, you're eager for this evening. Big, big ones? Yeah, how big? We're talking about, you're talking most craziest big?

Yeah, better be. No, not yet, not yet, not yet. Because people were very, very underwhelmed with the Nas Reed contract. They thought that was highway robbery. That was not most craziest off-season type materials. I don't know I saw a Minnesota timber wolf signed Nas Reed to a five-year 125 million dollar contract to stay with the franchise including a player option

Congratulations He was kind of the guy That's a big deal then Julius Randall gets three years 100 million dollars So that is actually really big for the Minnesota Timberwolves. You bring back Julius Randall, you bring back Nasri. Those are two big free agents. They want to keep that core together on Anthony Edwards, Rudy Gobert is back obviously, Jaden McAnel.

But the one guy though that the Minnesota Timberwolves are gonna lose though, Nikhil Alexander Walker, Sheggiel's Alexander's cousin. He played some great defense all throughout the playoffs. Was a big factor on both ends of the floor. Three points shooting, but my feel right now is that he will be departing the Timberwolves, he'll go somewhere else on a pretty big contract as well. Well, good luck to him. I hope everybody gets all the money that they've earned through hard work and what the current CBA is with the NBA where a lot of people get a lot of money.

One guy who's supposed to get a lot of money is no longer uh in the middle of getting a lot of money. It seems like AP Tone has a question for you. Yeah, Shoms all those contracts are good news. You shared some bad news yesterday about Malik Beasley. He's being investigated uh by the USDA's office for potential gambling, you know in-game stuff like that. This has happened in the NBA a couple times the last few years, but he is definitely the biggest name, the best player that it's happened

with. What do we know as of, as of recently with Malik Beasley? As of right now, it's an active investigation in the centers around allegations around the 2023-24 NBA season. So it wasn't this past season, but the 2023-24 season and it's around gambling on NBA games, prop bets, things of that sort. We don't know how vast and how big this could get. I will say though, it is important to say, his attorney Steve Haney gave me a quote. He said, an investigation is not a charge. Malik is afforded the same right and the presumption of innocence as anyone else under the US Constitution. He has not been charged with anything as of right now. But the facts also are this, the Pistons and Malik Bizef, from my understanding, they were

set to reach an agreement on a three-year, $42 million deal to bring him back to the Pistons. He had an unbelievable year for the Pistons last year. He was an unbelievable leader for the Pistons. He fit so well around Cade Cunningham in that backcourt. He had the second most made threes of any player in the NBA behind Anthony Edwards. And so that deal was pretty much on track. That deal is no longer as of right now.

It is on complete pause. I mean, his entire really free agent market right now is frozen because of this investigation. And so for this to happen on the eve of free agency to one of the top three agents, one of the best shooters in the NBA, there's a ton of uncertainty around this situation. Again, he has not been charged yet. This is a very active federal investigation. Okay. So thank you for that information.

And hopefully if he's found innocent, inevitably you're not pressed with any charges. Hopefully this deal will still be available for him or he'll be able to get it somewhere else obviously we will be uh we'll have journalistic ethics and we will cover it if he is found to not be guilty of this because getting covered of this uh basically makes everybody's natural opinion to go well there's a reason that a da's office is doing this. That is just people's natural reaction. So if he is innocent and there's no charges pressed against him, I hope all this money

and I hope the conversation is brought up that he didn't do anything wrong. Now, if he did, we just saw John T. Porter, what, two years ago, I believe, because of an investigation, get a lifetime ban on prop betting, I believe, and then Terry Rozier, I believe, had an investigation, but then that thing disappeared, so hopefully he has been cleared, and if that is then Terry Rozier, I believe, had an investigation, but then nothing disappeared.

So hopefully he has been cleared. And if that is the case, hopefully we know that and we can tell the world about it. It's happening in football. Terry Rozier as of right now is, it has been cleared. I mean, he finished the season with Miami. There's really nothing really active as of right now with him. That's good.

That's good news. The NBA did, NBA spokesman Mike Bass did give a statement to me yesterday. He said that the league is cooperating with the federal prosecutors. So the league essentially, I mean, this is a federal matter now. Like this is, this is in the hands of the courts now. So what that mean? It's a big enough amount of money that it's federal, that it would be some sort of scheming,

some conning, some, How... Why would it be... Is this the same as John T. Porter's as well? I mean, to my knowledge, it's the same kind of district area in New York. I, again, don't know how vast, how big this one is in comparison to John T. Porter, but the league has said at this point, their measure is to work and cooperate with federal authorities. Interesting. That's a big deal because I mean a lot of people point out to hear the hypocrisy of us because we talk about sports and sports betting is such a just a natural part

of conversation now in sport and obviously a lot of people are benefiting from it, us included. We will not say that we are not a company that has certainly benefited greatly from the sports gambling. Shout out to Fandl by the way. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Change all of our lives. Yeah. Change everything and obviously ESPN BetNow is with ESPN. The difference is that whenever you're competing in the sport If you were to do what we do as retired athletes, which is why our message is always like hey when you retire It's gonna be there sweet It's gonna be there and it's gonna be awesome and you're gonna be able to get better at it Actually, there's gonna be able to actually focus on it as opposed to have somebody have leverage over you for the rest of your life

With what's happening now? So it's like I understand there could be some hypocrisy See also the games have to keep their integrity. That Tim Donahue stuff still makes people think that the game is a work. I mean, that is like the biggest part of all these leagues is has to, people have to think that this isn't a work. People have to believe that their team can win and that they can just out effort and out execute. So that's why as former players, I think it's a bad idea to have gambling and I think it should be stern punishments. Like a lot of people try to like say, well, compared to this, you're getting this like lifetime ban and they're letting this it's like,

because that would fuck it up for everybody. Like everybody in every league, everybody in the league, every person, every family, it just it ruins everything. So I hope that what they're saying or alleging, and I saw some videos. Oh yeah. I saw some videos on X. Few. Are not true about Malik Beasley. And I hope this doesn't become a big thing because we'll lose our leagues. Yeah. Can't have that. Can't lose our leagues. You know what I mean? This, this, Pat, though this does have from a perspective of basketball and free agent, like I'm an NBA insider. My job is to break news. This Malik Beasley situation had a direct impact on free agency. He was one of the best players in free agency. He has an impact on the Pistons. He has an impact on like at least four or five other free agents. Like the domino effect that has come from this is a lot

bigger than just a normal person realizes. Like it impacted who Detroit's now going to go after for you to see what other teams are, like it has a trickle down effect. So that's why the timing of this was probably, you know, why it was what it was. But I mean, yeah, I mean, in the case of what could have been from Malik Vizier versus what it is, it's not, you know, it's not the most ideal. All right, we move on. Good luck, Malik. We hope you didn't do anything if you did though they're gonna find out. Yeah no doubt. They know exactly where you're at right now.

Got your social. If you stop to pee for longer than 35 seconds they're gonna send you a message on your watch saying are you all right. I mean they know they know everything they know everything. Go ahead AJ. This moron's muted. You muted your mic and forgot to unmute it. No, it was actually, you got me now? Yeah. Yeah, I got you. It was through FaceTime.

It was at the FaceTime situation. Shams, Don Steely, the next head coach in the New York Knicks, is that true? That is not something that has come at my desk. The Knicks to my knowledge are still- What are the chances? Don goes, I go. not something that has come at my desk. The Knicks to my knowledge, we're the champions. Again, it's not something that has hit my desk as of yet, but listen, the Knicks are going through their process.

I'm sure they're talking to several candidates, James Borrego, Taylor Jenkins, Mike Brown, Mike Onori. Those are the known interviews so far that I have. I will say this. I watched coach Jenny for the Pacers kick ass through this entire playoff series. She is awesome. I also learned about her story. I think she's a single mom as well.

Her daughter's kind of grown up around the teams that she has coached. She's great for the Pacers. In Don Staley, obviously, basketball G. Everybody likes Don Staley. Good luck, that'd be a huge play. That'd be a huge, that'd be the most craziest off season ever. Yes.

And we'd be obviously very celebratory in all of it. All right, Choms, we appreciate the hell out of you for joining us, man. Good luck figuring out federal investigations. Good luck, because- Four hours. Well, okay, yeah, four more hours for free agency, but you're also gonna be in the middle of some federal investigation stuff with Malik Beasley good luck with those things coming across your desk

You know we're gonna need you to kind of figure it all this shit out I'm bobbing and weaving I'm doing it all baby Do you remember when he's got a City Hall in New York when yeah, I rearving stuff was going on Yeah, my sources tell me at City Hall. It's what he said straight face. It was unbelievable. You're the man ladies and gentlemen, Sean Sharan. That's real. He would come on our show, and be like, my sources at New York City Hall

are telling me yada yada yada. And it was like, what a piece of information there. Kyrie was in the middle. That was crazy. Kyrie could go as a spectator. Remember he could get the seat right next to the Knicks bench. Yep.

So stupid. To basically sit on the Knicks bench. And he did. And he did. And it became a big story. Could not be a part of the Knicks organization though because of, you know, he wouldn't get the shot. The Nats.

The Nats. Oh, I'm sorry, the Nats. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Geez, that's 100% on me. In Brooklyn, in New York. Knicks on the mind. We're just talking about, you know. Hey, what if Don Staley is the head coach? That would be it. Sorry. Geez. That's 100% on me in Brooklyn in New York next on the mind. We're just talking about you know Hey, what if Don Staley is the head coach that would be it? You're right That would be most craziest offseason ever territory that that would be such a massive swing. That would be huge. Yeah

Then what if they bring in LeBron to the Knicks? So all they were talking because you know that creepy video was released very creepy. I don't like that was in New York I wasn't maybe not I thought I thought it was yeah, I thought it was in like that. That was in New York too, wasn't it? Maybe not. I thought it was. Yeah, I thought it was in New York. That was weird. Did you see this AJ? I don't think so. No. We are not gonna run it because it's a creepy video, but a lot of people just spread it and it was a creepy video. LeBron at dinner like sitting a couple seats. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, whoever recorded that. Like a Benny Hanna. Yeah, it was like a Benny Hanna situation and you would have thought that LeBron at a Benihana would have the entire thing for him and team.

Exactly. Feels like maybe he didn't. I don't know. Just the way the video came off. So this one guy is recording LeBron at Benihana. Holy shit, I'm eating Benihana with LeBron. He turns to the chef, obviously, because the show's going on. And then in the background, overheard LeBron saying he might retire play one year

And he likes New York and his wife wants him to retire and all this shit So like then that just spreads, you know And that's a background conversation in a video of a guy who didn't appear to be with him But nonetheless, but everybody started pushing that and it's like he said something about New York before any sort of spreading He loves Madison Square Garden. Uh-huh. He does. Oh, it would make some sense. It would make some sense. It definitely would.

And it's in the East. The whole conversation about the East right now with Tyrese and Tatum being there. What if LeBron's player coach ever there for the New York Knicks? Nothing happens by accident, Jackson with LeBron. This hasn't happened for 23 years. A conversation at Dinner League.

And it was weird. Oh, you're saying it was You know, maybe maybe maybe it's a work He's the best worker in the wrong wrong would have the entire Benihana Probably was it But but it was a double date it was with Kevin love and Kevin loves wife now what is Kevin loves wife's close circle No, that's close. them or I say no, I know but that's a like if if if LeBron or Savannah calls They're like, hey the James's are coming through tonight. Obviously they're gonna you know, fine But if Kevin loves why Kevin love can get a private

But we don't know it since this is in New York, this might be K loves, you know home base They're okay loves coming back through this one. Let's go It's a double date and I will put them at the cool table with all of our other we need the full Benny harness Yeah, I understand what you're saying might not be possible might have been a last-second decision Whatever the case I didn't like the people were spreading that video It's gotta be against law. I almost I almost commented on one of the very big accounts and was like, hey, there's some real creep shit here. There's some real, you know? Recorder without a note.

I guess paparazzis have kind of made it a business in and of itself, but it's like. Yeah, but paparazzi is like, they know, you know, like for the most part, like they're taking pictures at them. Like this guy is trying to be coy, like not doing it, but he's picking up the audio. To be clear, LeBron's gotta know that. True.

I've been at dinner with some people and we are very much in the middle of a restaurant and people are just saying stuff. And I'm like, hey. Oh yeah, I've been there. What do we? Everybody can hear you right now, bud. I think that happens all the time.

I don't want to sound like a narcissistic prick right now. But the moment that we walked in here, everybody knew we were in here, okay? Because probably nowadays whenever we go out, it is like a fucking full group rolls in. Everybody, as soon as we walk into, everywhere we go. And if we sit down in the middle of a public area, very quiet all of a sudden, you know?

And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, everybody in here is listening to our entire conversation right now Let's understand that not everybody understands that people are very loud sound like LeBron loud talker That's right, that was public I mean him and Kaleb, you can't be doing that You're not going anywhere Exactly, NBA guys, no chance

You know, so he, I don't know it was creepy the video was creepy But I mean, I'm sure LeBron's not you know stressing about that You know, this is was it? Yeah, yeah, it's easy to get carried away there you get excited you get captivated by what's going on He's peeing in the Boom! Catch it at the top of the hat. What a play. How about when I hit it?

Bang! Bang! Bang! Shrimps! Shrimp! Shrimp! That's a good point, Nick. They make us dance.

Little socky guy. Hey! Everybody goes crazy. Oh my God. I was a Hibachi fan. Obviously. Obviously. It's great.

I'm getting a full show here. Yeah. And then if somebody messed up, obviously we got a full on. Ho! Ho! Ho! back to the beginning. Let's restart that thing. Start the period over. Let's go back to the show.

Ladies and gentlemen, speaking of the show, there's a man who is in the show, who is doing something that no person in the history of his position has done. He's a catcher, which obviously I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, so I know Jason Kendall. Sure, the catcher. I understand everything about it. But the catcher, which obviously I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, so I know Jason Kendall. Sure, the catcher. I understand everything about it.

But the catcher position obviously involved in every single pitch, crouched over. You know, obviously you would hope that they'd be great on the offensive side of the ball, but you don't know if they're expect that they are going to be the best in the entire league. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now from the Seattle Mariners, we're the number two team in the AL West, affectionately known by many as Big Dumper, Cal Rolie. Yeah! How are you doing, Cal? Welcome to the show.

Thank you so much for joining us. Can I please say congratulations on a phenomenal everything that you have going on right now We put up all the records and also I believe all-star voting is taking place right now This is phase two, which is not phase one Even though he had a huge lead in phase one because of the performance that he's had thus far phase two Everything's wiped clean. You got to revote. Okay, you got to revote only one hashtag vote can be used per person You got to go to mariners.com forward slash vote to get this man into the all-star game, which obviously you have earned it and deserved it with your performance thus far.

Let's talk about your performance thus far. We have learned about you because it's the greatest nickname I've ever heard about in sports. Big dumper. Now, we were told by Jett Passon that your mom maybe doesn't love big dumper, so we started saying big thumper a little bit, you know, because it's in the ballpark, but it's more so thumping a ball or doing that. Does your mom hate Big Dumper? How do you feel about Big Dumper, the nickname?

Yeah, I mean, it's not the one you write up, right? As far as nicknames go, but now my mom's learned, she's learned to love it. So she's all good with it. I think it's great. Um, everybody here in Seattle loves it. And it's, uh, like I said, I said a few times the, uh, more fans now they're wearing big dumper jerseys than they are Raleigh jerseys. So it's, uh, it's become like a little fan favorite. Okay. So we can say big dumper and sleep soundly at night not knowing we're not. Oh, yeah. Okay. You're good. Ladies and gentlemen, big fucking dumper. Yeah. Carl Rollins. Yeah. All right, let's get to it. What you're doing at the catcher position is obviously historic. Have you always been a catcher?

When have you always been a big bat? and why aren't catchers always known for hitting dingers? I'd watch Jason Kendall walk up there, no gloves, massive jaw, and obviously he would do his thing. But the catching position, it feels like what you were doing, it is being talked about as historic legendary anomaly like stuff. Why is that as a whole cow for a baseball idiot like myself? Well, yeah, I mean catch a glove first position, right?

So, you know, their job is really to play good defense, take care of the pitching staff, run a good game, you know, help the pitchers get through really is the kind of their job. So in the back kind of comes secondary and everybody really knows that. So it's a, it's almost a plus if catchers can hit sometimes. So, you know, it's just, it's a tough position, you know, hit sometimes. So it's just a tough position.

You're constantly squatted down. It's a lot of wear and tear on the knees and the body. And there's some built-in off days there. And you've seen some teams just go with a full platoon style catching system. So you want to keep guys fresh. And you don't see as many, you know, uh, main main starter starting catchers anymore. So, um, yeah, it's just, it's a tough position on

the body and mentally. And, um, I'd say that's probably why you don't see as many, uh, catchers, you know, put up the offensive numbers that you see, uh, some of the, you know, Aaron judges and Shohei Otani's. That's why big dumps old school. It's different. You know what I mean? Big dumps and old school catcher out there. How old are you, Dump? I'm 28.

Did you guys have knee savers? Did you use those when you were growing up, the knee savers, or did you hate those? Yeah, I think in literally one or two years I had those built in, so. I thought those were supposed to save you guys. You guys weren't supposed to be a sore from crouching. I had to hold for field goals. I had those built in so I thought those are supposed to save you guys you guys weren't supposed to be a sore from crouching I had to hold you know for like

Field goals I'd hold that's one we do three times a game four times a game. Maybe I would get up You guys literally having to crouch the entire game It's been something that I've been on 80 milligrams for and I've actually thought this dude is in a deep squat for Three and a half four hours So the fact that you're able to get is there anything you do differently than other players to get your shit back activated or has There anything you've changed your focus on to become a better hitter in this entire thing whenever it comes to taking care of your body Big dumper obviously we're doing a lot of legs. We're a deep squat. That's why we got this massive ass That's what we're doing around here

But is there things you have to do you think to make yourself handle all of that while also being good with the bat? I mean yeah you just you learn over time and I'd say once you got into pro ball you you know you're starting to play you know 140 games and you get to big leagues you're playing 162 so you just learn how to take care of yourself and you do the right things in the off season as far as lifting goes. And then after a while, you kind of just you almost get used to it in a way, just because you're doing it so much and you learn what your body needs and

what it doesn't need. And it's just one of those things you just gotta every day kind of be consistent with what you do. And I'd say the more often you could do that, the easier it becomes. I don't think it ever becomes easy but you know there's there's some days where you're feeling a little more than others you know day games or maybe a day after a long like extra inning game probably yeah cuz you guys are on tour for what seven months straight or whatever

hey squat buddy get down or go to a new city squat brother needs you to do that here in the middle of this ballpark. Great views though, from where you're at. Everybody's paying to be where you are. You know, a lot of money. Everybody's paying to be where you are. Pittsburgh is the best park you've ever been to. Yup.

It's a pretty cool park, I'm not gonna lie. I like playing there. I assume that means you did well. Okay, AJ has a question for you. Okay, relax, Tom, please. Yeah, obviously you're a product of your own success and you've been so successful. You're getting intentionally walked, it seems like, more and more as time goes.

What do you, I guess, how do you attack at bats knowing that, hey, I may only get one or two good pitch to hit each game? Like, how does that change your impact at the plate? Yeah, I mean, I think sometimes it can kind of mess with you a little bit, you know, getting your head as far as like, oh, you know, are these guys going to pitch to me? Are they not going to pitch to me? But I've kind of found that, you know,

the more you can just keep it the same and just have that same kind of approach every single time. And I think if it's like, it's like, if you're ready to go and you're prepared, then you don't, you don't have to worry about anything. You'll be fine. Like you'll swing in the pitches you want to swing at. You'll take the ones you want to.

And it's baseball, you know, sometimes you're gonna chase, sometimes you're gonna miss, and sometimes you're gonna hit it. So you just gotta be ready every single time and not expect, you know, to go up there and get walked. Cause that's when you kind of mess yourself up a little bit, I'd say. For you hitting whenever you bounce back and forth

from either side of the plate, what are you looking at? Is it some pitchers that you know that you're better on this side of the plate? Is it, oh, right arm's a little sore. Let's go ahead and make the left arm the lead arm. Like what is the decision-making process on why you're on either side of the plate? No, it's mainly just whatever arm is on the mound. So if a righty's throwing

him, hit lefty, if a lefty's throwing him, hit righty, you know, it's kind of because of the breaking balls, you want breaking balls coming into you rather than going away from you. So the really only pitch that I had to worry about at the end of the day is changeups just going away from me from, so that's the only one. Yeah, that's kind of why switch hitters do it. They kind of helps out, you don't have to face left on left, right on right, which is notoriously a little tougher for people to do. Cuz you got breaking balls, you got sinkers, you got things like that.

Sweepers, yeah, all those things, yeah, we know. Sweepers, the new fads, so. That's great pitch. Yeah, but yeah, thereepers, the new fads. So, um, it's great pitch. Yeah. So, but yeah, there's, I mean, there's some guys like Tommy Edmond in the league. He, he goes, uh, sometimes he'll go right on right. Um, you know, depending on what, what type of pitchers throwing. So it's, it's actually kind of interesting how he does it.

Do you ever bought back and forth in and at bat? Like, you know, I'm not seeing it good. Let me go to the other side in the middle of the at bat or maybe every pitch. What do we see? Oh yeah. Some Japanese high school player was bouncing back and forth. And he also did this one too. I believe he crouched down maybe small strikes

on back and forth. It was a full shell. I'm not saying you should make a mockery out of this thing, but dude, have you ever bounced back and forth in an at bat? Never in a bat. I've switched mid at bat when they brought in a pitcher, like it was like a two one count or something they brought in a new pitcher.

So I switched the other side. But, but yeah, I mean, if you're switching back and forth all the time, you're probably not in a good place. Don't you think you should get a count for both of them? Yeah, they should have to strike out both of you. That's right. Switch it up. All right, let's get to you. Having Monster would, switch it up. Oh, all right. Let's get to you having Monster Wood this year.

Monster. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Cal. I think everyone who loves baseball is jacked up that you're going to be in the Derby this year, but I'm just curious. There's always that kind of rumor, and I don't think it's ever been proven or disproven that once you get in the all-star game

in the home run Derby specifically, it can kind of like fuck up your swing for the second half of the season. I think you've gone six games in a row right now without a homer, which, you know, I mean, for your pace this year has been crazy. But people already say like, oh, you know, you're starting to lose it a little bit. Like, are you worried at all about your swing getting messed up in the derby just because it's so much different than what you do night in, night out? And also how jacked up are you to have your dad pitching to you?

Yeah, I mean, first of all, I'm super excited to be doing it. You know, it's kind of one of those like dream come true, dream come true kind of things, you know, you know, as a kid, you always, you know, you find a fence somewhere and you pretend to play home run Derby with your buddies and, you know, getting my dad to throw to me. I'm going to have my little brother. He's going to be behind the plate catching for me. fence somewhere and you pretend to play home on Derby with your buddies and you know getting my dad to throw to me. I'm gonna have my little brother he's gonna be behind the plate catching for me. He's 15 so. Is he a catcher as well? Your dad's a catcher right? Former catcher? Is he a catcher as well? Yeah my dad was a catcher. My little brother he's 15 he's a

catcher right now he's playing the whole travel ball thing and so he's pretty jacked up about it too. I would say the biggest asses in all the towns, the Raleigh family when they walk in. Probably. All three catchers walking in. Look at three, three. I think your dad was also coach too, right? I assume.

Yeah, yeah. Dad was a coach and a catcher and yeah, my little brother, he's kind of built just like me now. He's a little taller than me now actually, which is crazy at 15, but. Oh yeah, yeah. We're blessed. We're blessed from that side of the family Amen brother great for being a catcher and for hitting while having a lot of power

Will you bounce back and forth in there you might have? Yeah, I mean I think I want to I mean I know right fields a little shorter So lefty might be a little more primary, but oh you'll be fresher though early rounds Boom and then pushing to the later round going to righty haven't hit yet all night Interesting. I mean, it'd be kind of cool right strategy. They would yeah two guys They rushman did that a couple years ago in the derby hidden win it but that was that was the best part of the night He's bouncing back and forth and just hitting bombs from the left side. Could you imagine if they had graphics dumper on your left? Dumper on your big dumper. Sorry. It's

not just a regular dumper. I am a hundred percent apologetic for that. If you were to win a home run derby, could you imagine this season being outrageous? D-Bud has a question for you, Kyle. Coming into this season, did you know this was going to be a special season for you at the plate specifically? What was it and at what point did you know, Okay, this is this is I'm in a groove right now. I'm really seeing it No, not really. I mean I actually had a pretty pretty bad spring training in general, so It's it's kind of funny how it goes sometimes I yeah, I was just I was trying to get ready for the season like a like a normal normal year and You know things started clicking you early on and just kind of stayed the course really you know, I think when you play 162 games it's a lot mentally, it's a lot physically

and a lot can change and throughout a season you go through a lot of ups and downs and when you go through those downs you can't really kind of stray out the path so I think that's the biggest difference for me this year is you know in the past I've tried to change things or maybe try to make adjustments that weren't difference for me this year is you know in the past I've tried to change things or Maybe try to make adjustments that weren't technically needed and and this year I've just really trusted the plan what I've been trying to do and I'd say that's probably the biggest difference for for why I'm you know where I'm at right now Are you a little bit sticious superstitious medium stitious? What what type of stitious level are we at? I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious. Yeah, I can see that we're doing the same cleat

Especially with all the gear that you have I assume there's some sort of what goes on first when it goes on type shit Do you have that or no? Oh? Yeah, I mean every I'm pretty sure every ball player has their thing You know you you wear you know Homer you wear the same pair of socks You know same cup you put everything on the same way You know Homer you wear the same pair of socks, you know same cup you put everything on the same way You know cleats the way you wear your pants All the way down to what you ate the day before if you had a breakfast sandwich

You're gonna eat the same breakfast sandwich, you know, it's coffee same thing. So it's I think every ball players like that Yeah respect. Yeah, I love it I love that that's a part of your sport with how long you guys are on the road and how much failing happens Finding some success and happiness. I assume alongside of that that is certainly something we're going to try to make the baseball gods continue to give to us. Now, a man has a question for you that was once the catcher for the number 24 team in the United States of America at Plum High School as a member of the Mustangs. Ladies and gentlemen, A.P. Tonasquid. That's true, Kyle. Respect everything that you do. He never wore knee savers either No, I did not but I did wear the the goalie mask helmet instead of the old-school helmet that you are rocking right now I noticed that your off days from catching are not really off days because you're you're DH

I believe you've been in 82 of 83 games Do you find it harder at the plate when you don't have to catch like getting catching gets you into the game more? Do you hate games that you don't catch? Yeah, earlier this year I was actually was like the first month or so me dh and I think I was, I was really, really bad at it, you know, just because you know, when you're catching you have so much activity going on you're worried about calling the game you're back there you know framing blocking throwing people out doing that whole thing and you're worried about calling a game, you're back there, you know, framing, blocking, throwing people out, doing that whole thing. And you're so involved,

you don't even really have time to think about hitting or anything else. And then, and then all of a sudden you're DH-ing and you're sitting on the bench, you're talking to pitchers who aren't playing and we're talking about, you know, God knows what. Yeah, couldn't even fathom you baseball players. Couldn't even fathom.

Chewing seeds, you don't know what to do with yourself and then you have to go hit and then So sometimes you can throw you out of your rhythm a little bit So it's a little funky but you know, i've kind of learned to find the right routine for that in the right mix in a way Hey when you're framing Is it a wrist action finger action? What am I? Yeah, a little more with the elbow there go out What am I? Yeah, a little more with the elbow there go out Just a little like I like a press there you are you are you working the umps for strike zones How's that go between you guys because I obviously see coaches get pissed. I see pitchers get pissed

You have to deal with them literally On your back the entire game. What are the relationships like with the Humps? Yeah, I mean, each one's different, right? You know, they have different personalities. Some are a lot more chatty. Some are not want to talk at all. Some are, you know, they want they want to know if they think they got that right or

not. So you kind of play the middleman a little bit. You know, you don't want to, you know, you're not getting on them all the time like you see, you know hitters and coaches and maybe pitchers sometimes so But you just gotta keep them in check, you know, you gotta make sure that you know you guys are on the same page you're being respectful and You just have a relationship with them. Just talk to them really, you know, I think that's the biggest Especially as a good idea.

Especially as a hitter. It's like, we want this guy to be my friend. Oh yeah. Yeah. All these guys. And you're right there in it. I love you saying, some guys ask if you thought it was a right call or not. You'll say like, yo, yo, miss that.

Hey, we can't be having that. Okay. Is that real? Is that real interaction? How regular is that? Yeah, no, it's real. I mean, guys, you know, umpires all the time. They're getting graded just like we are. So they have their system of calling balls and strikes.

And they want to get as many right as they can. And so a lot of the time, they're just like, are you with me on that one? Or do you think that one was off? Or do you think it was on a little bit? And you just kind of have that back and forth all game. Like I said, usually things are always good when you, when you just, you know, being upfront and just talking to them and, uh, things start to go a little,

a little wiry when you start turning around, maybe, maybe saying things you shouldn't say, but, um, which sometimes that happens, you know, it's part of the game and people, uh, there's money on the line and there's, you know, games online wins and losses. So careers, legacies, yeah, they can get emotional. So, you know, sometimes it gets the best of people and it's happened a few times. So yeah, it's life's work too.

Like, Hey, what you're doing is ruining an entire family, an entire life's work, a legacy, a career, let alone everything else. If football, it's hard for these refs because some of the calls are obviously so close when it comes to holding you guys. It's literally for these refs because some of the calls are obviously so close when it comes to holding you guys It's literally like that much and then the catcher for the umpire from what I've been told I didn't play baseball growing up. My dad wouldn't let me hate a sport didn't like it didn't like that

He didn't like the sport. I think I probably would have been an okay baseball player But nonetheless, I don't know shit about him from Pittsburgh The Pirates have been terrible what I've learned is there's a lot of unwritten rules. And I think like umpires have like their own strike zone. So like that little box that's on TV, it's like, that's not always the strike zone. The umpire might have a different strike zone. It's like, well, why is the box on the fucking TV? Well, because this is still a human sport.

They're not able to make it a robot yet. We shall see. The conversation continues with Big Dumper on YouTube, ESPN plus Disney plus and TikTok live. We'll be back tomorrow. Goodbye. Okay, dump. So I just had to call middle finger fastball to you there. continues with Big Dumper on YouTube, ESPN+, Disney+, and TikTok Live. We'll be back tomorrow. Goodbye! Okay, Dump, so I just had to call middle finger fastball to you there so you wouldn't talk. We just had to get off ESPN, now we're going to continue on digital.

Okay, so we appreciate you hanging out and watching all that take place. But that is a real thing, right? These UMPs are working their own boxes. And as a guy who sees the pitch, do you know that maybe a little bit more of a advantage in this thing? Yeah, so I mean it's kind of crazy, you know, they had a you know, they had their own zone and the what is the you know regulated strike zone and Last year and the year before is they had this two-inch buffer zone inside and out of the zone Which was something that you know, if they got if they call a striker ball in that zone, they weren't going to be docked, you know, points

or whatever for calling the wrong pitch. But this year they've shrunk it down to 0.75. And so now you're getting a lot, a lot of umpires calling a little smaller of a zone and being a little tighter because, you know, they want umpires to get all the calls right. So, and as that's happened, you've seen a lot more ball calls. You're not seeing as many strikes. Um, but in the past, you know, each umpire had their own zone. You know, it was, it was kind of, you know, special to them. And some people would give off the play. Some people would give up and some people get down.

Some people wouldn't give down. And it was just how it was. And, uh, there were a lot of unwritten rules. Like you said, you know, guys, you know, rookies, you know, you better be swinging. It wasn't like, it wasn't like, you know, there's this strike zone set strike zone where you had to get every call right.

They would let you know, you know, as soon as you got to the league, you better be swinging. You're not going to get any special treatment. You know, rookies are gonna, they're going to have a little bigger of a zone than the veteran guys are. I love to hear that actually at a baseball. Hey, you want to make it in this league? We're gonna need

to see some action. Earn it son. I love it. I love that the umpires are like, yeah, that is a strike, okay? And you're gonna shut your fucking mouth and get out of my league. Okay? I love that that was a thing because that is like, baseball has that more than any other sport I think rules wise hockey has like unwritten rules and it's like we're gonna handle this baseball It's like I mean if they get the signals they get the signals. That's that's uh, that's on you. I guess that's a big deal Yes, I did my research and I thought about what I should ask a catcher in the MLB and what would be a good relevant question. They're trying to get your

shit all the time right? These uh they're trying to get your signals your numbers everything. Are we dancing? What is the do we do a couple dummy calls? How do we uh and who's relay how how does that whole process go for somebody that doesn't really know? Yeah I mean so there used to be you know everybody used to be, you know, everybody used to do fingers, you know, obviously putting them down. But I think in 2022, they switched to the pitch calm, which is basically an earpiece kind of like a football, you know, the quarterbacks have. So now pitchers have a earpiece in their catchers have the remote and they're controlling and they're, you know, I hit the button and it says fastball or it's slider.

So it's Is it your voice in their ear? and then it says fastball or it's slider. So it's, um, is it your voice in their ear? Just some kind of random AI voice, you know, come on. Morgan Freeman. Yeah, we should put maybe, maybe you should be able to select who's given it. It's like when you drive them. Okay. Yeah. But people, yeah, people used to steal signs all the time. Cause they would, you know, especially now with video They would they just have they literally would hire somebody be like, alright, what's this guy signs when he comes in the game?

there's runner second base and they'd be like, alright, he used his second sign shake the first and Teams would already know that and then as soon as you guys gets in game They'd have their signs and they'd be relaying, you know to the hitter and that's what it's what it kind of came to with All the cameras and stuff. Yeah. And I heard garbage cans. You know, we heard about the garbage cans. But then I heard baseball people be like, I mean, they kind of got it.

Let's just move along. You know, it's like in the football, whenever the Patriots got caught for whatever, all people in football were like, yeah, yeah, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible. Let's move along. let's move along. And it's like a very interesting thing about the sport. Now you deal, obviously, with some of the most special

people in the entire sports world. Go ahead, Con man. Yeah, big dumper. It feels as though most pitchers are lunatics, head cases kind of walk to the beat of their own drum. There's stories about Zach Greinke being an absolute psychopath in the best possible way though. Do you think that you have to kind of change how you call games and interact

with pitchers based on who's pitching? How does that kind of go for a catcher? Sometimes do you want to say something to a pitcher, but you know, Hey, nobody talks to this guy while he's pitching. So I can't really do that. What is kind of the communication like between a catcher and a pitcher in that relationship? Yeah, I mean, you have, you have your pregame meeting pretty much every time with a starting pitcher. And you know, the way I kind of like to phrase it is, you know,

you go over and it's like scouting reports and videos and you know, you have a, you have a plan like you're and you know, in football, you got your first ten plays mapped out and it's kind of how you do it the first time through the order You got kind of mapped out and then you know after that you kind of go from there based off of what you're seeing some guys may be hot some guys may be not and you might Might to change some things up and each guy's different right? You know, we have 13 pictures on staff You saw it's 13 different personalities and So you got to learn how to deal with every single one of them summer

Like you said like a little crazier a little more psycho a little you know you know take that pretty workout Red Bull to the head and They're geeked out by the time they get in there and some are a little more calm and a little more You know rational at the time. So it's just learning how to deal with those guys yeah I couldn't even fathom the amount of personalities that you have to keep focused and locked in good luck on all that they're professionals too let's act like adults out here but in baseball feels like there's more blow-ups you know I love I love the kick in a dirt and the hole I like that I like the benches

clearing too I love the just the theatrics of it all. We're jogging in from center field That's right. Okay, we're jogging in for sir. Just so on film They know we were with the boys whenever there was an opportunity to fight now Let's go back to what you said there about first 15 for football. Did you play football? I I think I went to one practice and I banged it Smart dad catcher I think I went to one practice and I banged it. All right, smart. Dad catcher, you know, gonna have the whole time. Cowell would have been a great.

Yeah. Hey, you would have been a thumper, dude. Full back. Yeah, big dumper would have been a thumper. Okay, so first 15 for football is offense coordinators are trying to get an understanding of how the defense is gonna react if we were to do this type of formation

or this style of play, and can they stop this? Like if they can't stop this, we're gonna go back to this. While you're going through the lineup for the first time are you getting a sense of whether or not a guy is let's say nervous scared or is not seeing it on a particular day and are you like trying to read body language and sounds or like aura almost while they're in there while you're trying to call it or do we have a system like this one throw this one throw then this one we're doing? Yeah, I mean, you know your guy.

So really you start off with your pitcher strengths and depending on the day, maybe the guy's throwing a little harder, maybe he's throwing a little slower. And based off of that, maybe you're, you know, seeing something different with him. Maybe he's locating, maybe he's not locating, maybe he's landing a secondary, maybe he's landing in secondaries, maybe he's not.

So a lot of it starts with the pitcher. And then based off of that, especially if the guy has been around for a while, players will start doing scouting ports, they'll set, maybe they'll step off the play a little bit, maybe they'll scoot up on the play a little bit, and it kind of tells you what they're looking for and are maybe not looking for.

So a lot that goes into it, like you said, with like body language and, and, you know, you can kind of tell too, you know, if a guy takes an ugly swing or something, you know, maybe, maybe he's not seeing that pitch particularly well. And that's kind of how it goes. And how much are they looking at you? Are you scared to give anything away back there? Cause I'll see you guys sometimes do a cool slide, you know? And I'm like, the batter does not see that. Is that a cool slide, you know, and I'm like the batter

Does not see that is that a real tell or not a real tell or can you not be seen by batter? Yeah, I mean you don't want to set up too early because sometimes you might give away location or in a location might give away a pitch So yeah, yeah, just you know, stay honest because you know, you got people from dugout, you got people on base who may be watching. And if you're setting up a certain way for a certain pitch every single time, that could maybe be a tell or something like that. So you gotta keep people honest. And you know, there's always somebody looking

for that extra advantage, you know. It's usually somebody in the dugout or somebody on the base pass. And you know, sometimes all it takes is that one little thing that can make a difference in a game. Have you seen dumper? He's got this cool slide. You know what else is coming with the slide curveball fucking thing coming every time You see that big ass slide to the outside just know what's coming I love that you guys think about all these things because it's such an intimate in such a fine line of success and failure Even though failure comes on a regular basis not for you

Offensively obviously this year, is the question for you. Yeah, Cal, obviously the power numbers have always been there with you, but I think the most impressive thing when looking at what you've done this year is your batting average is like 50 points higher than your career average. Do you feel like you've become

a much more complete hitter this year? And like, what was the work that went into it this off season? Because obviously you know, like if you make contact, you're always going to be hitting home runs, but I feel like you're hitting the ball to all fields incredibly well this year. And obviously you're not just that guy who, hey, you know, he's either going to Homer, he's going to strike out. Like that's not the case anymore.

Yeah, I think, you know, first couple of years in the big leagues, you know, obviously I knew I had the power. It was just finding a way to put bat on the ball a little more often. So I think it just comes with learning yourself and learning the league and learning certain type of pitchers and what you need to do against those guys, which you need to do against other guys. And also credit Justin Turner a little bit too. He helped me out a lot last year.

He's with the Cubs now and he's been around for a while. So he helped me a lot last year, kind of learn how to approach certain guys. But yeah, like I said, sometimes it takes a little while to learn the league and learn how they're gonna pitch you and learn certain type of pitchers and what you need to do against those guys. All right, Dumper.

I played baseball one time. I still don't know if I batted from the right side of the plate. I didn't know if I was a righty or a lefty. I batted in the game righty, but the lefty swing so much smoother. Maybe I was supposed to be both sides of the plate. You're a good hitter. You're good. That's a compliment. How many of you guys are out there in the league right now?

Not many. It's a dying breed. Not many power guys, though. Did anyone try to make you not a switch hitter because you're such a power hitter? I've always had people tell me different things. You know, they're like, I think you're righty. I think you're lefty. But no, you know, it was something I've always had people tell me different things. You know, they're like, I think you're righty. I think you're lefty

But no, you know I was something I've always been stubborn about and I was like no This is something I have to do and I was always very committed to it. I hit dogs, bro I'm gonna continue Okay, both sides both sides of plate you roll a lefty out here fucking righty me You were all fucking righty lefty dumper God see ya but it's not just Donger gone anymore he's getting the wood on it and go boy he moves like a freight train down that fucking first baseline and how did you with a football oh one practice Mike Mike all start jr. oh my god yes

especially yeah just the original big dog all right cow we'll vote for you the Mike All-Star Jr. Oh my god, yes. The original Big Dump. Alright, Cal, we'll vote for you. The voting is very stupid, I will say. But hey, has anybody got an All-Star game type thing right in any league? I don't think so. So we will play, oh actually NHL with the Four Nations becoming eight. Sorry, they got it right. Everybody else is chasing it. Home run derby, always awesome.

Big Dump will be competing in it And let's make sure we get them in the all-star game by going to Marrers.com forward slash vote boom That's a wild request. Can you still do the hashtag vote Cal do we know I think is that still it's worth one vote per person Okay, only one time. Okay, we got a couple days here. So maybe a couple of those. And shouldn't we be able to say hashtag vote dumper? Absolutely. I mean, at 1000, you should have been. Should you just be in if you lead the league in home runs? Yes.

Congratulations. You made the All-Star game. That's what they should say. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll vote. We're voting for you. Big time. I appreciate that.

We were trying to come to this. We want to let you know the home run derby. We're trying our best to come. You're going to make it. I don't know if there's enough space. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. I guess we've kind of gotten in here late to the game and all the spots have been taken up basically for everything.

But Faso is in the middle of trying to figure it out. So there's a chance. What I'm saying is we had wanted to come because we think the derby is awesome. Like I'm a DD guy. So like, oh yeah that's why I fucking love it. You know I love especially your dad's pitching to you, your brother's catching. There's like emotional it's a I think it's one of the best things in all sports the home run derby legitimately. So we had wanted to utilize ESPN's access to get to the derby. I guess we got in a little bit late and now we're trying to figure it out but we're trying

to get there. I mean we're big fans of the derby. They need to got in a little bit late and now we're trying to figure it out But we're trying to get there man. We're big fans of the dirt But they need to just do it like you do the like when the national championship the playoffs or whatever They did the you guys did your own little Pat McAfee the broadcast live. Oh More viewers for sure That would be awesome. Put us in a little thing. Put us in a little thing out there. A little cage. A little cage out there. Absolutely.

Put you inside a film. I want a glove. Maybe put us in the bullpen. Same AJ. We definitely need to... We don't need to get those kids out there. Maybe mid out there with no glove, just running around. Face.

Hey, I heard these baseballs, they're trying to screw you hitters. What's that all about? And why are they doing that? It's not a problem for you, obviously, leading the league in homers. But they're saying that the seams are bigger. What is that all about?

Yeah, I mean, they're saying there's a little bit of drag in the balls. There's the seams a little higher, which causes the ball to go a, you know, not as far. And you know, you don't really think about it until you hit one right to the wall and you're like, damn it. That should have been gone.

Okay, so like- Yeah, if that's the drag coming into play, then that one would be out, so. Okay, so three point shooters, they know if the hoop is off by a centimeter. Okay, they know if it's off by a centimeter. For by centimeter for me punting soon as the ball was leaving my foot I knew if it was a good ball or not for you Is there one because I saw a highlight of a guy a couple guys with the they were pitching this big seam

Bullshit ball thing even though I'm watching show. Hey Aaron and you just take them out they're like hey there's different balls this year guys think they're home they're pimping these things they're actually feeling as if it's home runs and then outfielder literally just backing up like ten feet and grabbing it and then throwing it in is there any time you've hit where you felt like it was gone and then it wasn't is that real yeah I mean that's real I mean a lot of the number though no way yeah I mean sometimes's real I mean No way. Yeah, I mean sometimes, you know Sometimes you play places and you might have a little harder balls and sometimes maybe not and you know, it's something that they're You know, you're constantly trying to figure out

You know, sometimes balls. What's going on? Yeah, sometimes the the bigger market teams seems like they have harder balls You don't know. I mean, there was that rumor going around a couple of years ago when Pujols was trying to get to, I was at 700. Yeah. Sending him the harder balls. And you know, the same thing went up. I love baseball.

I love it. All this shit is possible in baseball. Like everything you just said, I'm like, yeah, that would make, I would do the same if I was the league. Like the ump, even a bigger strike zone against rookies. I like that move. I like that. Hey, welcome to the show. Yeah. It's a show. I like that. Even though that's not, if they're sending harder balls for a chase, it's like, Hey, it's within rules. These are, these are all within rules, but it is baseball. All of that. I would believe any rumor is believable, I think, in baseball.

Yeah, well, it's like one of those things, you know, somebody starts it and then it gets around and you don't even know if it's true at the end of the day. And it's one of those, maybe it is, maybe it's not. It could be a little bit of a conspiracy. Connor, that has been proven that that has never been a thing. Look, I'm just saying- That's why it was so believable The jury's still out that now Wearing an exoskeleton on his entire Mountain said the investigation said that never happened But with that being said as soon as that made its way on the internet baseball people are like

Fucking makes it yeah, he kept his shirt on after the walk-off home run. He's like don't take my It's cuz he had an exoskeleton on Anyways, it's all believable. You are unbelievable though, sir. We appreciate the hell out of you man Good luck the rest of the way and maybe we'll see you out the Derby Yeah, be great. Thanks for having me on guys. You're the man hashtag vote Cal. Mm-hmm Remember hashtag vote dumper does not count as an all-star vote for Cal Raleigh Yeah, don't search that on X. No, you shouldn't. Yeah, there's probably a lot of dumpers. All right, but there's only one big Dumper ladies Jim. It's Cal Raleigh. Congrats, dude

I Thought hashtags were banned on it for mads. Oh only at yeah only it They're completely big there will always exist You don't really need them though. Just cuz words because it's like okay. You've never run a contest. You've never had a search for. You've never, you know, experienced the thing of it. I love Big Dumper. Yeah, he's a man. He's great. Big Dumper knows the program too.

For sure. Need to get him out of Seattle, but outside of that. Yeah. Oh, what? Short porch. Second in the A.O. West. Yeah, I get it. Short porch, Yankee Stadium.

Big Dumper was made to be a U.S. Oh, yeah. Okay. Could you imagine the merch? Yeah. The Big Dumper in the big city. Oh my god Get out his ass just be like a big apple Rites itself, we'll revisit that a couple years. I want him to you know, continue doing what he's doing in Seattle right now

Yeah, people watch it from Seattle like hey fuck that in Seattle right now. Yeah. People watching from Seattle are like, hey, fuck that guy. For sure. Yeah. We got a guy. We got a guy. Beautiful ballpark too. You've been right up there? Yeah.

Used to go over here to see the Sox. I went up there for that Seahawks game against the Niners. Beautiful. Hey. And then up there for University of Washington's college game day. It is beautiful views up there. Beautiful vibes. How are the fans for the Mariners?

We know the Seattle Seahawks fans die hard Yeah, they're good. They love the Mariners in Seattle. They've had some good teams I think the Seahawks fans are like what are we doing? I think the Seahawks fans are asking some questions, but who stole them the Bills and the Chargers, right? Yeah Packers to big-time stole the stadium. Yes Probably not Chargers though, I see all fans we know Chargers guys they get their stadiums told Let's get Los Angeles. No, I'm very at dough. Yeah She's super fan. Yeah, she's good. Super. Oh, yeah, wouldn't show the show

I remember course should be on the show. Great gift Why wouldn't you somebody mentioned something to me the other day and I just thought myself. I can't believe our show is a show Hey, do you remember when blah blah blah? That's when I started watching. I was like, of course, of course Dr. Drew we had dr. Drew on early. Oh, yeah. Hey, not only dr. Drew. He's a real girl. Yeah Hey, not only Dr. Drew, we have Myron Roll. Yeah. Dr. Myron Roll. He was great. He was great.

Yeah. Brain surgeon. Brain surgeon, yeah. He's out there. Dr. Drew's a real doctor. One of the greatest interviews. People say he wasn't. I think you could definitely take away from us.

We're a curious bunch. Yeah. Also Dr. Merrill Hodge. Yeah, Dr. Merrill Hogue. He's a mathematician, I forgot. He's a doctor of math. Yeah, what's that, MIT? Yeah, talking to everyone about fractions.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, there's a number that is needed. He's a doctor of math. Yeah, what's MIT? He taught everyone about fractions, yeah. Yeah. The denominator is the number that he's needed. Yeah, you do all this shit. We need a little context. Turns out he was right. What? Yeah.

Check the tape. The science checked out? Yep. Math. Oh, the math. The science. The science. The science whole question.

Well, funny enough about the science. A lot of that. There's a lot of the science. The thing about it is it feels like there's always the complete opposite side that has the same thing that is arguing hard or back. That's the word. For everything.

That's for everything. Everything. And there's stats that legitimize every argument somehow. I don't know how we've gotten to that point. That isn't necessarily what I was led to believe, I think, whenever I learned about this shit. But then I'll start reading people that feel the exact opposite way that I feel about something. And I'm reading what they're saying think, whenever I learned about this shit. But then I'll start reading people that feel the exact opposite way

that I feel about something. And I'm reading what they're saying, how passionately they're saying it. And then they're throwing in babada babada babada. And I'm like, pretty good argument, you know? But then I'm like, well, wait a minute. And then I have fucking da da da da da. And it's like, they have to respect my side.

Nope, completely wrong. It's like, I don't know, we've gotten to a point where there's so much information, but enough context I guess would be kind of the way to describe it well if you were to break it just flooded where you're flooded with so much information that how are you ever supposed to know what's right and what's not yeah especially nowadays especially with what rock and do yeah just do whatever you want just do whatever you want who cares that's what I say okay that's a good message don't worry don't worry live your life live your life live your life that's what you were saying yeah

absolutely no matter what you're saying no matter what you think is gospel you're gonna have plenty of people that think the complete opposite right cool you're allowed to but I'm gonna go about my way yeah continue to do it they've had different life experiences they've met different people gone through different things. That's experiences. Obviously. I just double down on the same thing But you get it might have a little different life. He's lacrosse happening. Yeah cross happening I think it was actually Oh prime time 6 p.m. On ESPN this past weekend. What is this? P. O. L. O. P. O. L. O. Saturday night, right? Yeah Saturday night. P. O. L. O. S. Saturday night bingo Okay, your kids planes lacrosse, are they watching lacrosse?

Oh, yeah. They love it. Cavanaugh boys. They love all those guys. Yeah. Okay. So those are people that have been on our show. Are you guys watching PLL? Legit. I'm asking this question as somebody like... Not like, not like appointment TV. Hey, the game's on at six. But when I see that the game is on, boom, we will lock in them.

Okay. Because like the soccer world, whenever I was a kid, they're like, the more kids we have playing soccer, the more kids that watch soccer. That was kind of always like the thought. I was a person that grew up in a household that I played soccer.

We did not watch soccer though. So it was not like a should have, probably should have. Would have been able to learn some things, probably would have been a little bit more invested in leagues and stuff like that. But I wonder if lacrosse like because if they're having a boom youth wise are those kids also watching lacrosse And are we getting to a point where PLL and I'll tell you what that NLL Yeah, I enjoy both of them can make it. They're two different sports. Obviously doesn't get to a point where it's like Actual needle mover, you know it because it could be live sports have become that in lacrosse.

I mean, yes, has the chance to become that. Yeah, I think the college game has typically always been the appointment TV for lacrosse. I feel like that is the one that's growing before the PLL. I actually believe there is a little bit of a controversy between the PLL and the NLL now with the new ESPN-PLL deal. I'm not sure, and I haven't confirmed this completely,

but my sources have told me that there is kind of this looming decision to be made between the NLL and PLL. For players? That their seasons, yeah, might overlap in that there might be some sort of, hey, you kind of have to pick one, or you kind of have to align yourself with either the NLL or the PLL. Yeah, I believe this actually just happened.

One of the best players in the PLL. Yeah, it's very dumb. I just learned about this last week when we were trying to obtain certain phone numbers. I was told that there are some things that might be coming down the pipe after this season Between the NLL and PLL that are going to be very bad for the league if they can't figure it out because if you're to split Obviously the biggest thing for them is just hey all the best players are playing in One league or both leagues at certain times and now all of a sudden there might be a situation where oh no Some some guys are gonna go. I don't love Yeah, yeah. I don't love that at all, especially for a

league and maybe that this will change with the contract and everything like that but if you can get money in your offseason you know that's like I'm learning about these Arena League boys, the soccer players, it's like what they're making for their seasons, their salaries, amount money not like comparative at all to any of the other leagues but a good amount of money to live during that period of time live I'm not saying like save money and you know invest in the future get groceries and get comfortable no no you're able to do that okay you guys at the top are during the league but it's like you're getting an apartment no, you're able to do that. Oh, okay. The guys at the top are during the league, but it's like, you're getting an apartment, thank God.

You're getting a grocery stipend, I believe, thank God. And then the amount of money you're making is like, good amount of money for that period of time, but you're not getting paid for any other time. So then these other tournaments that these guys are able to go to, or these other leagues they're able to play in, like supplement their income.

I think women's basketball. WNBA. Yeah, WNBA. And then they would go overseas during the offseason to make more money. So it was like so they could have like WNBA is doing it currently with this three on three league that Bruce Thue started down there in rival. So it's like the fact that if lacrosse does end up just becoming a one league only per player thing it's like you don't get that double check. know that play that I was thinking that's probably been happening. It would be awesome if they did like if the NLL and PLL joined but if they stay split that would be an absolute nightmare for like the growth of lacrosse.

Yeah that'd be the biggest detriment to lacrosse ever because then you'd basically force kids growing up like hey you're either gonna play box lacrosse or you're gonna play this other style. And the other style isn't in the Olympics. Yeah. Box lacrosse is in the Olympics right're either gonna play box lacrosse or you're gonna play this other style. And the other style isn't in the Olympics. Yeah. Box lacrosse is in the Olympics, right? A form of box lacrosse? Yeah, yeah.

I'm not sure if it's exactly box with the boards, but the numbers, I believe, are the same for the Olympic game. But the thing is it'll just completely split. It'll be Canada, because Canadians care about the NLL, grow up watching it religiously, and then it'll be the PLO Americans. Oh no, oh no. It'll be terrible. Do you think there are enough good players to have two good leagues or no? Probably two good leagues. I think it just all depends on when it is. You could have

the NLL could be all the greatest players in the world, but if it's aired between, you know, September and December, no one's gonna watch because it's football season. Like there is that window after the NBA, like right now when the PLL is, that's like ideal, but like the NLL season is it's such a tough time where it's hard to care about. Um, I just learned a lot about me. Who cares about the NLL? The Canadians. And who cares about PLO? Yeah, the United States. It's your PLO guy. I didn't know I had any Canadian thoughts like that. Doug Goats. I like double doubles. Don't get me wrong. Sure. I love poutine. I think it's good. I'm not eating it every day. Toronto is a beautiful city, I got a chance to enjoy that place.

Smooth cream meal, Crosby. Smooth cream meal, exactly the same as Crosby. He's given me a lot of happiness from Canada. I wouldn't be too hard on yourself. But I don't like to say that I have Canadian views also. You know, like, I don't want to say... No offense, what Niagara Falls, I grew up there. Me and Nick, basically, you know, I love that place.

Okay? I found myself naturally watching NLL, thinking to myself, oh, that's more high-paced, that's tougher, they're fighting each other, and a little bit more electrifying. Now, PLL, a lot of talent, a lot of conditioning, a lot of cardio, I respect it. So it feels like the Canadian version of that game

is a little bit more It's like soccer versus TST style. That's kind of how it is. That's exactly right But the Canadian version is a little bit more do we expect that? I don't know They still fighting the PLO that actually Cavanaugh got into one. I guess we should have with hockey right cuz they all yeah Are the Canadians? It's a fucking You heard what big Perk said last week the dogs He's looking for what's in there. What? I

Like the NLL. I like the PLO as well Okay, I'm not getting I respect the PLO. I'll watch it the NLL that fucking We had just tight quarters so yeah, and they fight all of that. It's just, it's a little, yeah, it's definitely different. We'll be interested to see if the PLL changes to six on six after like the Olympics. Because if the Olympics is going to be kind of the goal as a lacrosse player, then why wouldn't they change the game itself to what the Olympic game is going to be? Not college, but in the pros. I mean, I thought about that a little bit.

I had a conversation with somebody about when Canada wanted to kill me you remember that time sure money in the bag elimination elimination chamber elimination chamber yeah I'll never forget it so I mean there was a lot of them but we were up there in Toronto and me sitting around just as somebody that grew up in sport in Olympic sport to soccer like hey we are the national anthem in sports is like a big deal it either means we fucking one or something big is about to go on so like obviously Have always felt that we are better than other countries like whenever we are

And that's strictly from a sports minded human being whenever we watch the Olympics And I think we've explained about this We are tough to handle because we would expect to win every gold medal and we are better than everybody and we won't beat everybody That is the sports mindset whenever it happens. Bingo. So when that booing takes place, when that booing takes place and everything goes down after that, it's like I don't like that at all. I don't like that at all. And then I start getting attacked, you know, for good reason. Hey, you got passion for your country. I'm just letting you know I got some for mine as well. And if we're just going to judge off politicians' decisions, I need to to be well first whenever it comes to the Olympics on who's playing who and who were allowed to boo and who were

not allowed to boo during their national anthem in at all, but like Canada's a fucking sick place. No, it's not what just not true, but but I hear you And they've kind of fallen into line. So what do you mean? Toronto's very nice. Really definitely nice. The west coast is way nicer than Toronto. I grew up in a Niagara Falls area there. Okay. So I'm not even going to get into that. Montreal is north of Toronto. East coast. I do believe he's talking about Saskatoon. Sure. Well, I get that. And Victoria. Victoria and Vancouver in Vancouver British Columbia by far the most beautiful in Canada Where's Sydney Crosby come from? Oh other way

No, let's go on the East Coast. Yeah, he should be part of America But if Indian our in Maine if Indianapolis was in Canada, it'd be the greatest city in the country. So well any that Let's not let's not get that they have some laws up there that I wouldn't mind Indianapolis adopting sure, you know, I wouldn't mind keep the taxes, but I would take the I would take the Couple of the vitamins. Yeah, unfortunately every day near every state Touching Canada has that it's just Indiana never going to just never never really What is it? who's holding it up who is I think there's a couple people yeah they're right they go yeah I think

Lily is the biggest Lily's like the biggest company in Indiana you know and it's the campuses and they give a lot of money to the city now they probably feel obligated to do as such but they give a lot to the city to the state to the politician I mean there is Lily is a very massive man lobbying they're lobbying hard in Indiana you're saying we got cold beer on Sunday like five years ago yeah I couldn't even get cold beer on a Sunday you know like that type of stuff maybe 10 years ago now when I first moved here you couldn't get it. Okay so yeah within the last seven years. So that's why we're saying it. We just don't know we think it's gonna be a tough fight but we would pull for somebody if they were to get behind it

and more like uh presentable stuff whenever they're at the gubernatorial debate. I was just gonna say if we could somehow track down Bobby Rainwater and just kind of refine a couple things, hey, don't need a Hawaiian shirt during the debate. Don't need your hair, let's make it look at least presentable. Just a couple tweaks and we might be okay. This guy was running for governor. He was big. We loved him. Legalization of marijuana, okay, and we didn't, I hadn't seen him.

I don't think we've ever seen him. We had just seen the quotes. And then there was a gubernatorial debate that popped up and it was like watching this for sure. I have no idea how I got caught in it and I got to see he actually did a walk-in. They did like entrances like people would walk in they'd sit in there those spots and it was slaughtered each three of them. He was the independent so he was in the middle and he literally walked in like Hawaiian shirt hair all over place like our guys got in the shot. It's like an AI if you typed in like what if someone is little doobies look like Exactly Like buddy we got no chance with you out there

Come on Other candidates in suits? Oh yeah Four Oh yeah I think it was a lady, a dude Was it Sleepy Joe Dong? I don't think he was governor ever

It was um who's's most recent governor? Holcomb? Yeah, who just he got done. Yeah, he retired. Remember he was like super into governing. Like he really enjoyed governing. Every time I talked to him, he was like, we got 35 days left to really make an impact or whatever. And I was like, hey lame duck about to be on your way out. He's like, nope, that's not how I view it. I view it as we got 35 more days for him. Like he he was like he was like a I don't want to say a robot but he was exactly how you would hope yeah that somebody that was in that world would be wearing cool shoes and everything like that I think he was running for governor for the first time last governor kind of left and it was

like a chance to open it was like all right we got a guy in here that wants weed can't wait to see him fucking turn that coin. Like Jerry Garcia. No Jack. Grapeville Dead concert. Come on, come on. Joe Donnelly had no shot. Nobody will ever give us credit for that. That you let him know. That was pretty big deal. We broke news about two and a half months before election night that incumbent Joe Donnelly had no fucking shot in this race and nobody was listening Nobody's first big announcement of the night kind of a startler here

incumbent Joe Donnelly has Lost in a pretty decisive vote to start the entire they caught it like 4 p.m. Yeah, maybe like it was like while we were doing the show And that's just cuz we're local here we're watching these ads and it was like this guy was just getting beat down I mean every commercial break. Did you know Joe Donnelly slept through 14 out of the 15 meetings about ba ba ba ba that's why we call him sleeping Joe Donnelly. If you want a better snooze vote for sleeping Joe Donnelly. If you want a better snooze, vote for sleeping Joe Donnelly. And then there would be another one. Did you know that Joe Donnelly took 14 vacations to Mexico? Mexico, Joe. He was there. He wasn't there when this was being discussed. That's why we call them

Mexico. Joe Donnelly. Oh yeah. Every commercial. Did he have any, anything, any rebuttal coming back? We were coming on our show like, Hey, Joe Donnelly. Oh, yeah. Every commercial. Did he have anyone, anything, any rebuttals coming back? We were coming on our show like, Hey, Joe Donnelly fight back, fight back. Joe. I'm learning a lot about you. Joe. You've ever, we saw him in the airport and you were like, Joe, I tried to tell you, he's like, ah, don't worry about it. Let's get a picture. He knew, he knew. Yeah. I mean, he just, you know, what, what can you do? It was him and Fred Sess in that vlog of that trip. Yeah, after the Heisman of Radio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Heisman of Radio.

That was cool. That was cool to get out there and meet all those people. Joe Donnelly, that guy had no shot. Leave our politics out of it. We try to give Joe Donnelly a heads up every show. Yeah. Remember it was every last night they debuted a new one. Did you know this fucking guy new piece of information?

I learned so much about him and it was none of it was good. And then like he hopped in an RV one time for 15 seconds. He I'm getting to work for you and they shut the door of the RV and he drove away. I was like, I don't know if that's enough. Yeah, it is a joke. I don't know. Sorry, Joe. He was going to teach a joke. I don't know if that's enough.

He was going to teacher class, I think, whenever he went out there. I think he understood what happened. Here's me and him meeting for the first time. Me and Joe. Nice to meet you, Joe. He was nice to us. I assume he tried his best, but I'll tell you. His marketing department or whatever the case is.

It sounds like his competition just hit the nail on the head. He's like, fuck, that is what I did. No rebuffing. His marketing department or whatever the case is. It sounds like his competition just hit the nail on the head. He's like, fuck, that is what I can't. No rebuffing. OK, well, yeah, I'm going back to Mexico. They're right. Yeah, Zito just told me. I do not remember this.

So this would have to be a Zito. Zito, you can say this. What'd you say? He told us that he spent $300 million on ads against them. Yeah, because we got into the full conversation in person So anytime I run into somebody and if I remember that we had something I will bring it up immediately I will bring it up immediately just because it's gonna be looming anyways, if I don't remember something happened with somebody that's when You know like I don't remember

Somebody saying something about somebody and I show up and they hate me for what's being said and I'm walking into it. I don't know. That's always something that's tough. If I know there's something, then it's like, all right, let's just bring this up immediately. So I go Joe, literally, that's what I do. Joe, you had no shot. I don't know if you heard us. I did hear you. He did ask for a photo. And then I did a full on. So how does this work? How does this whole thing? And he talked about how much money they raise, how they try to combat it, and yada, yada, yada. Then we learned a little bit about politics. Then he talked to us about he was gonna be a professor somewhere, and I was like, well, was all that true? He goes, no, there's obviously, I was like, okay, right. It just happened to me, you're not actually over sleepy, Joe.

He was maybe a little, and then, you know. Yeah, then he saw him get on a flight to Mexico City. Yeah, then he was bored and crapped. That's a wild world. All right, let's get out of here. What's happening tonight? Monday Night Raw, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania should be a great show.

Should be a very good show, especially coming out of Night of Champions. Sure, hell yeah. Early start to six o'clock. Did you see what Cena did? Sure. With Charles Robinson? Yeah.

That was sick. What? Charles Robinson? Charles. That was sick. What? Charles Robinson? Charles Robinson is a legend. Yeah, and he ate one like a legend too. Yeah, but the meme obviously of him sprinting out of WrestleMania is iconic. Sure.

He's so athletic, he's been doing it for so long. He also oversees, I believe, the building of the rings every single day in every single arena. You're talking about pillar, legend of wrestling. One of the best wrestling single day in every single arena. You're talking about Pillar, legend of wrestling. One of the best wrestling. Oh no. Just a short tackle. That's criminal.

You see his eyes get wide like, oh no. He saw a scene that turned a corner. And I think he was thinking, maybe this is an embrace, a hug, because we've been down so many roads together. You know, and then Seth Freakin Rollins, he was threatening to cash in and see him to cash in. I love watching him run. Time to go to work. Same leg, same shoulder.

All right, Stu. Yep. That was a great tackle by John Cena. It was. And John Cena did the handshake to Punk. Stu got the zoom in. It was a good show, Night Chains. Really good show. There was a lot of, I think Champions. It was. Really good show.

There was a lot of, I think Nia was using a Kendo stick. Something. There was a lot of, Nia went through a table, two tables. I think there was a lot of- A lot of carnage. We had some extreme, yeah, Night of Champions and SmackDown over there had a lot going on. All right. This is for Kyle Rawley. Get voted in the All-Star.

Boom. Done deal. Hasht hashtag vote cow. Yep if you want to add Hashtag dumper vote dumper. Yeah vote big Vote big dumper should count You say he comes from a long line of dumpers Yeah, big ones his boys are gonna say my father

My father's father and my father's brother all play catcher. Yeah, that's great. I played grandumper My great-grand dumper. Yes. Mm-hmm. He started the entire squad. That is a long time. Oh, yeah Just so long. It's so like grueling I mean how many games do they have like it's just such a different experience than anybody else Playing DH or in the field really is like don't said he doesn't really get days off either He's he's played in every game, but one of the first half of the season like it's crazy. That's big dump football It's really lost our game Bob, well, why that's right It's for the All-Star game, Bob. Worldwide.

That's right. Oh, sorry, Dom. Oh, looks like he's not going to make it. We need to vote on him. The universe is trying to make it hard. He had a million vote lead over the person he is now battling against in phase one of the All-Star voting. That all gets wiped clean.

You've done nothing. Now it's phase two. So dumb. So dumb. Speaking of All-Star voting, you see wiped clean. You've done nothing now. It's phase two so dumb So dumb speaking of all-star voting you see Caitlin Clark. Oh, yeah captain Broke the record amount of votes. I think 1.4 million or something like that last year had 700,000 votes She her and three of her teammates. I believe for Indiana Fever players are amongst the top ten in all-star voting or whatever. I assume Sophie. Oh, yeah Yep, I assume Sophie's gonna make it I assume Kelsey Mitchell. Yeah. Yeah, okay bucket. Hey, she's a player. She's nasty. I

Assume a Lee of Boston. She had a big night the other night when Caitlin didn't play Okay, here we go. There's cup final tomorrow. What tomorrow night? You want to win the commissioner cup have to yeah because if they're having a cup you should want to have no doubt yeah especially in this new WNBA where CC is the show she's getting hurt though I don't know growing her full full fully healthy I don't think was she ever do we think I mean you know those growing they linger it was hammy though right first time or was it a growing I know it's growing know those groins they linger it was hammy though, right first time or was it a groin?

I don't know. I know it's growing currently I'm not I think it was hammy first then groin and I wonder if the two go hand-in-hand there You know, I don't sit her down for a month. Let her sit down for a month to get healthy I agree, especially if the team's gonna be able to win games They gonna make the playoff Mr. Cubs she's not gonna be able to play anyways cuz she anyways. Is she coming back from this groin for the commissioner cup? That's a great question. I would like to win the cup.

They showed inside the locker room, the WNBA commissioner called to congratulate her on being the all-star game captain. She basically said, like, listen, Kathy, we're trying to get this dub in the commissioner cup. So I think she's gonna play tomorrow night. Okay, I hope so. Because when she's playing, it's great. She came back from that hammy first game. She had nine points in like 30 seconds or whatever pull up. She's a prop

Cow Rolly big dumper he's framing those things. What am I doing? The WNBA have open locker rooms like Kaboli can't be going in their interview and WNBA players, can he? I don't think Kaboli has no team in Pittsburgh. No credentials for that. He's not a lot of WNBA games anymore That's true that is we're not sure if that's true or not. Caitlin Clark did have a hamstring injury And then now she has a left groin injury. So these are all You know, these are all strains of things that those can hang on forever or those can heal Yeah, it's kind of a question mark lingering lingering i assume we need her healthy for you know the playoff stretch yeah big

time three new teams to come wba next five years who's that cleveland detroit and philly philly i think those will be i think this would be good WMBA tons one year after another And what the expansion draft or these new team who are we getting players? Hmm do it like hockey The expansion draft for hockey. Did you see any other players? Did you see that? That's huge play right in game bridge Absolutely. I mean there was news that four cities are potentially in the conversation for an expansion NHL team New Orleans obviously a city that hosts a lot of things Austin hosts a lot of things

Houston hosts a lot of things you know us hosts a lot of things Indianapolis Indiana you know as the infrastructure already in place for a hockey team to drop into Gainbridge, because there used to be hockey in Gainbridge actually, Indianapolis, Indiana. Why not? Indy getting an expansion NHL team. And with what you just said, AJ, the expansion draft in the NHL, it allows for teams to get good quick, because the NHL understands that if a team comes to a city, if it's a good team, that'll probably be better for success as opposed to if it's kind of a shite team, nobody's really going to get on board. Expansion draft, every team in the league has to put up a certain amount of players into a pool that you can pool from.

And it might be guys that they're trying to get out of a contract with, it might be guys that are a little bit older in the tooth, it might be guys that are just available because you don't want any other guys there's a chance to get some megastars Las Vegas Golden Knights are the most recent example of that they were able to become the island of misfit toys and become a champion out there quickly and obviously the Vegas Golden Knights brand became a very big one and if Indianapolis gets a team that would be spectacular. They should because those other cities don't give a shit about hockey so. Oh, in Worlands? That's be spectacular. They should because those other cities don't give a shit about hockey. So it should. Oh, in Orleans?

That's an assumption. Atlanta? Atlanta's already in Texas hockey, too. Atlanta's already failed NHL a few times on New Orleans. That's a big hockey city. Yeah. Yeah, Indy, especially after the show they just put on in the NBA finals. It's like you got to look at that at least and be like, show the rompists and the atmosphere

and the fans how much they really do Ride and die for the Pacers like you should absolutely go to India. It's the center of the country, too It's not as if things aren't going, you know up and up with Caitlin and Tyree. What's it now 2 billion? They said I believe was the number for their franchise That's just what you give and then you have to obviously build the team on top of that So it's probably what a three and a half billion four billion dollar operation Yeah in the arena if you're not already equipped Yeah, just got to get a hold of four billion three and a half four billion dollars. He's okay. We already got the arena here

Yeah, yeah, but build that you don't ever feel like you are small Small bank at the pot at the table. You know, you want to be able to operate. Want to be able to be, you know, you're not going to get leveraged out of shit because you don't have enough money. You know, you would want to start that venture with a good bankroll.

Practice facility. And that entire thing. Practice facility. How do we spice up these games? Yeah, a lot of different things. What's the environment? Players? We're gonna have to pay players obviously. Now I know there's a cap, we gotta do that, but like you always want to be able to also would love to be able to sell, you know, if you're gonna do this dollar hot dogs. Would like to be able to sell $2 beers in this entire thing.

Make it a spectacle without having to worry about make money, make money, make money to be able to continue to operate so that's what I would think in my mind they would try to get four billion for that and Do they bid for expansion teams so that can get run up there or is it awarded to teams? I? Think they propose a bid to the league and then the league like the commissioner and the owners all look at it and find What is the best fit? So it's like the city of Indianapolis would be the right one you get the two billion dollar expansion fee plus the build-on team On top of that as opposed to hey Houston just offered up four billion dollars for this thing

Indianapolis only yeah now there may be an ownership group in those cities that says hey we can also Include this in our bid we have we can build our own arena It's not going to cost anybody anything tax breaks all that stuff. They got to compose definitely I feel like a lot of people would want to get a team. Yeah, you know, especially yeah professional sports are the thing to spend money on the driver for a rating still and also a good place to You know a lot of people flexing that they own teams spend money on the driver for a rating still and also a good place to you know a lot of people flexing that they own teams oh yeah you know I mean sitting in suites doing their things yeah some some owners even have press conferences

just keep it moving she won't let you know my team here my brand is what we're thinking that'd be cool if they got it how about Bezos just ran out that whole city crazy I look the last three weeks. So, I wonder, I mean I'm assuming we'll get the number at some point or how it'll happen. He had to have people go to every single business in the city, say what is your daily rate to rent out? Rent out every single place in the city, right?

That is basically how that would go about happening? Yeah, now I know a lot of those European cities, they just have a designated month off of the year. Like they don't do business. But yes, I think what I thought I heard was 50 million. Yeah, 50 million. But I'm just saying- 50 to 100. I heard 50 to 100 just to throw the money. And how'd they get to that number? Like there had to be some sort of money given to them. They had to donate to a lot of local things they said to try to, you know know quiet everybody down because they were pissed off that he was you know disrupting things yeah from from what I've been told is there it went off without a hit it was from what I've been told it was a

Magical moment I think from the pictures were seeing yeah, I assume it would be you spend 50 million dollars on an entire city Venice everyone was there, but yeah, I've've been Europe times were like you go to a store They're like no, this is our off month That's awesome. Any our people that's definitely not right now, though This is the busiest time of year to be traveling to Italy or anywhere in Europe Tom Brady. Brady was there Brady was there Yeah, right. Mm-hmm Brady was there. Yeah, I wonder how many football people. Yeah Herbie's good Dell there. Yeah herbie. I would assume Roger Goodell was Amazon. Yeah, Herbie. Good Dell there. Yeah. Herbie. I would assume Roger Goodell was Amazon. Yeah. Herbie should

have been there. Yeah. I wonder if Herbie has a relate. Is he there? Might be. Was Ben the ring bear? Oh, excuse me. You second you know what I'm bad you know what I respect god damn it yeah miss you Ben you gotta get that cleared up before you been that was awesome Peters Peters adult yes just yeah just I hate how people have forgotten Ben already because of Peter well it does fear that that is what I did but Ben was a great soul we're lucky to know an to honor He hasn't forgotten. Thank you D, but trying to honor the guy. Oh, yeah by getting his name wrong Get getting his face wrong in your mind Both these dogs are awesome. There's also others that are awesome at the Herb Street manner. Yep

Undesirable photo that was no they're not they're just in waiting. Did you see the photo that was put up a Peter? Oh, yeah Yeah, yeah best picture that's ever been taken. Yeah, I think Peter's I think Peter's a okay going in this season I think he's in mid season for Jesus Christ took that photo if you had color-swabby Gatorade commercial Yeah, and maybe Gatorade will use this as a commercial Yeah, you should put a little drip off his tongue. Is that his tongue hanging? He is a tongue hanger That is his tongue hanging you could easily put Gatorade hanging off of that tongue. That's not AI No, that tongue just that picture No, he's almost looks like a draw out Peter is a beautiful dog

truly big head huge head huge paws Like I think he's still growing. I think he's gonna be size of a fucking arctic wolf whenever it's almost done. I think so. Good boy though. I mean, he is either good or bad. 280 pounds I heard he's gonna be. There's a chance.

I'm like, Herbie, where'd you get all these big fucking dogs? He's got a breeder, Mystic Mer... Oh, he's got a certain breeder. I forget the name of it. I should do it. So they all related? All this Peter, Ben, everybody? From the way it's in my head I've never asked is it's just like this rolling hills of fields of golden retrievers. Just majestic dogs right in my head. That is how I think of this

particular place and every dog that I've seen come from there is kind of fits the bill. Yeah. All of Herbie's dogs are like beautiful coated you know they got the whole thing. Alright congratulations to Aldrick Pott-Guider. Yeah. Fifth playoff hole. Five playoff holes. It was exhilarating. I did not get to watch all of the lead-up to it. I didn't get to watch the entire build the entire day. I just caught it in the all of the lead up to it. I didn't get to watch the entire build the entire day. I just caught it in the playoffs after McKenzie went to bed. It looked like they had another hour or two of light too.

And there was no end in sight. These boys were just kind of getting on, missing putts, going ahead and tapping for par. Both of them got a birdie at one point on a par five. It was like, these guys might play forever. Play forever. That's what I literally thought was gonna happen. And then, you know, Paul Geier takes it home,

rolling one home. He missed by about half an inch on the hole before to win it on an eagle putt. And then this one, pure and true center cup. He's from South Africa. His dad was there, got a little bit emotional. He's 20 years old. He was doing some shit with his driver that was turning some heads. This might be

the next one. And the other guy that he took on there, uh, Wossom, uh, Grayerson maybe. Yeah. I don't know, uh, about the, what's going on there. You think, is this the next, is this what makes me a better golfer? That's a son thing if you I've heard people talk about the Sun like they they're out in the Sun so much or they had Like some moles removed or something. Okay, so that's a son instead of having to wear long sleeves because long sleeves is hot We would just wear this to keep it seems very uncomfortable doesn't it? Yeah And I thought it was long sleeves and then I saw him bed over to pick it up and I saw his

The back of his tricep a little hair popping out of his armpit. I'm like, he's got AI sleeves on right now In both of them and I was like, okay, does this make this guy better golfers and play awful? And then I worried what if one of those things just tightens up? Yeah, you don't want that on a plug I like a clip. He has on top. That looks like a whoop band probably. That's that whoop Yeah, I'm wearing whoop bands up on up on their arms. OK, so the sleeves are, that's for sun purposes. Makes it a little better. OK, I like that. OK, I'm with that.

I thought it was for swagger, and I was like, I don't know if it's the right one. It's for protection. OK, I like that. I'm going to start wearing this. I'm going to start wearing this. Help with sunburns. Yeah, because my skin, very pale.

I'm asking for it, I go out there. Are we golfing or not? I think sorry. Help us out. Yeah. Yeah, cause my skin, very pale. I'm asking for it. I go out there. Are we golfing or not? I think so. Today or? Not. Your putter come in, where's the putter? Great question.

That is a great question. I haven't even thought about that until, I mean, I would have. The un-missable. You're going to make every single putt you take with that. The un-missable. Thank you. That is exactly how I've been describing it

in my head as well. One of those things will work out for me. You know, if it's the taller one, I'll do the lock it up on that, and then I'm just painting that song bitch in there. Yeah. Pshh, pshh. I think we're gonna do the golf, get back into it.

It's too good of a sport. Too good of a sport. It's the best. Too good of a time. And also, you hit one up here in the sim, and it's like, huh. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. This is you hit one up here in the sim and it's like, wait a minute. This is nice. Is this sim accurate to what the ball's gonna do

in real life? I don't know. Yes. Cause this is seemingly going pretty straight here. And then I get out in real life, gone. It's like, all right, what's the difference here? Is it the open air? Is it the grass?

Is it me? Is it the sim? Or is it just the sport in general is impossible? Yeah, sometimes you hit it about as good as you possibly could have and you fucking snap the driver into though that happens every once in a while So that was unbelievable what you did to Bruce Brown's driver. He was having a great round Maybe the best he's ever hit his driver ever any of his clubs and he got a celebrity shot And you snap that fucker right in half I did I put him in position a though and what he'd do he went on to sink a you know 12 foot par putt Wow that was real that was hit the ground or

what oh just snap no too strong routine yes I looked up I was thinking at first like oh fuck I hope I didn't smack the projector up here and fuck up the simulator. No, I didn't, you know, I hit it about as square as I could. It was maybe the best drive I've ever hit in my life. And that's some bitch just snapped right in two. There's afterwards. Oh man.

Oh, up there. Yeah, that's Big Bob obviously because Bruce was having a phenomenal round. Just an absolutely phenomenal round and then his driver gets snapped at about 25% down the shaft or so. But that driver is going to break regardless, Bruce. That's what I think we're trying to say. That thing had a weak, weak top.

Have you continued to play good golf without your driver? Yeah, I'll be on. Well, luckily we have two of those up there. So we had one to spare, luckily. But I will say, when I played real golf, I was not nailing any 30-foot putts, I can tell you that much. You were rolling it on the set. That is a video game up there. If you can just figure it out a little bit on the sim, you can putt really well, but does not quite translate to the course. Now with that being said,

shout out to Full Swing, fixing our simulator. We had up here a simulator that was the worst in the history of simulators. Would legitimately let you do the entire setup to get to the golf. Thank God, 15 minutes of this. Boom, boom, boom, boom, get all the way to it. And then it would only let you hit one or two balls and then guess what?

It's doing anymore. It's not reading the ball or it's frozen on the last one You could reset the computer do the full setup again now. We're 30 minutes into this We've hit two balls and guess what I did again freeze again full swing said that is not how your simulator life should be Got a new computer up there got a new software up there. It has been awesome This has been a treat to have actually work and they did Confirm to us that we maybe had the worst simulator in the history of simulators, which we wondered So we are happy to know that that is the case. Do you remember how big of a pain in the ass? This thing was AJ. Oh, yeah, I think I hit in there once or twice and then ever since then you guys

Yeah said absolutely not this thing is this garbage Yeah, it was like one of those ones that you would try to create if you didn't have an actual simulator. Like, okay, you know what I mean? Like that's what it was like. It was just, and who knows if it's real. So we would just hit into an open Bay basically up there. Now we get a chance to really do it.

It's a shout to full swing. We're very grateful for you helping us out. Very grateful. All right, let's go do a day. It was a good Monday. Yeah, great Monday. Jaylen Ramsey getting traded this morning. Crazy AJ.

Awesome. Good for him, good for the Steelers. They're going all in. Johnny Smith though, don't sleep on him. That dude, he is. They'll line him up everywhere I bet. Mark Caboli said that actually. Mark Caboli, he said his sources telling him tight end, slot, wire, serial, you name it.

Full back. Full back, H back, shit. We might have a quarterback. Same with Jalen. Jalen Ramsey, could be anyone. Caboli's tweaking. Outside, inside, in the backside. Safety.

Up front. He might be playing D line. Anywhere. What if it's Jalen Ramsey? Might have to. Might have 30 seconds. TJ the TGF? Yeah, where's TJ? Probably his house. Do you see Shaffer put out a tweet? Yeah, the tweet that says Steelers ain't deal Is that what he said? They're not dealing with him I thought it said to me pull up that Shaffer tweet that came out the order show sources in recent weeks Multiple teams have been discussing whether they can trade for Steelers standout TJ Watt who skipped the team's most recent minicamp Pittsburgh hasn't shown any wellness to deal what so far?

So far, but he's unhappy with his contractual situation and sources believe outside team interest is likely to increase given today's trade There's no way you're able to pay TJ with everything you guys got going on Plus he reported that Pittsburgh Steelers are picking up a big chunk, I believe, is the way it was used, of the Jalen Ramsey contract, and they will be picking up a small portion of the Jalen Ramsey contract. That's $26.6 million. So there's a lot of money going there,

a lot of money going to John-O- and how do you pay? TJ, there's still 20-some million available in cap space for the Pittsburgh Steelers? There was 23 million, and that was before the details came out that the Dolphins were gonna pay 7 million of the 26 million That came out from rap. So yeah, they got plenty of cap space the TJ contract is not gonna be a big deal at all They're not paying any quarterbacks. So that's kind of a kind of a cool thing in the NFL It's like you got a rookie quarterback, but instead you got a four-time NFL MVP and their quarterback plays the end so

Did you what would have to get the quarterback type correct right? Yeah, and then you have to do with that for the next three four years That's fine. I'm still don't have any other quarterbacks to pay well could be will hired. Don't be will hard He's gonna be making six hundred thousand next three years. Is that the actual number? Well party was around that number and Will was a six round pick so something really Those rookie contracts quarterback contracts so vital to a team Right now the Pittsburgh Steelers are saying now is our moment Metcalf 30 million Jalen Ramsey 19 million

John who what's he making 12? I think 12 12 million Brand-new Steelers very slight. This is a brand new Steelers down there. Alright if this goes in there wins Super Bowl. Okay. Here we go. Ooh. Wow. Wow. Alright. Here we go Pittsburgh's Super Bowl here we go. That's what the ball said right over there Here we go Harry Rogers in his cool fucking hair here we go We signed guys we wouldn't sign before because it's this season We're trying to win some more here we go Steelers here we go could be they're going all in they're sick of people the

injures being like we're done with the over 500 shit we're sick of it fired an offensive coordinator in the middle of the season hadn't done that ever Now they're pushing money in big in the free agency world trading for big names Accomplished guys already guys that I assume Tomlin has been a big fan of throughout their entire career Oh, yeah All these guys are guys that Tomlin has come up to and said I'm gonna get you when you're old and cheap He said that to everybody I would assume and Omar Khan obviously making it all happen go for the Steelers Everybody I would assume and Omar Khan obviously making it all happen go for the Steelers

It's kind of a shame. We got guilt-tripped in and doing training camp up or Show up at them training camp, but I guess we'll go. Yeah, I have to I guess get to watch Jalen Ramsey DK go one-on-one Yeah, we've seen some tape of them in the past whenever NFC West Opponents have you seen this tape? I have not. Not the greatest difference. There's competitors. Yeah, fierce competitors. Gino Smith takes a shot late from Jalen Ramsey. I'm sure he didn't like that and probably told somebody about it. We'll talk more about that. Metcalfe though goes finger in the face. What are you doing? What are you doing? What do you think this is? Huh? He's defending his guy. I think everybody respects it. Jalen goes, whoa, whoa, whoa. Lost my balance. That should be at least 15, maybe 20. That should be 20 or penalty in an entire,

did you see Gino this weekend? Yes, I loved it. Where was that? What was the situation? Looks like this is flag football or- Seven on, like seven on tournament. Yeah, and his team, and I know there's a lot of guys that have teams,

and I know these tournaments get very, very competitive. I know these are also synonymous with camps too, so I think there's a full development of football and I think a lot of these guys really care about how their camp and their team is doing and Gino talking big shit to somebody that his team obviously just beat. What did this tell you? This told me for the Patriots who they play the Raiders week one gotta be a little more careful about Gino now going forward. I don't wanna piss him off. I don't wanna say anything out of pocket because he's either listening or

he will hear it and he will respond. And I don't wanna be the guy that causes Gino Smith to go up and down the sideline yell and that's why they pay me the big bucks cuz that scares me. I mean, he's peacocking on somebody there AJ. I haven't been to one of these tournaments. I haven't got a chance to experience it feels like this happened after our generation. I think it's awesome. I think more reps is good for all parties, especially with the way football is. But this type of intensity, you don't get to feel that that much. You know,

like you don't get to feel that much like buy-in and also want to let a motherfucker know. You know, that doesn't, those types of opportunities don't always just show up AJ. Yeah, I assume he's yelling at the other team's coaches or parents or any like, yeah, obviously it looked like a spirited game that he came out on top. So yeah, why not? Cam Newton got in a fight one of these didn't he? Yeah. Yeah.

He was like ten dudes. Yeah, Cam's team. That wasn't even during the game though. Cam has produced a lot of as far as his teams like produce a lot of NFL talent. But yeah, the shit talking is a lot of cash talking out there. A lot of people, other coaches you probably grew up with, you know him, talking shit, calling, you know, he's a quarterback, obviously calling plays,

you know, big time plays, you know, motions, testosterone happens. Huge win. Massive. What if Geno's just locked in on that, or you're talking? Oh, oh yeah. Chip Kelly calling the plays?

Yeah. Maybe. Pete loves it, Pete loves it. Maybe Geno just calls his own shit. You're right, you're right, Chip Kelly calling the place. Yeah, huh? Maybe Pete loves it Pete love I maybe Gino just cause oh shit. You're right. Right? Yeah, it's Chip Kelly asked for his place I mean that is he's pretty comfortable with these. All right, let's get the fuck out of here What a time in sports what time be a friend tell a friend something nice. It might change our life We're in this thing together. Thank you to sports for giving us shit to talk about every day. More specifically, TEDx. This is great. Today's... we need tomorrow to be like today. Free agency for the NBA starts this evening. There's gonna be some big

conversation. Remember, Sean's all giddy about something big that's coming out. Team on three! Fuck. Team on me, team on three. One, two, three, team! Goodbye!