The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1381 - NFL Training Camps in Full Swing, Adam Schefter, Peter Schrager, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: July 28, 2025

On today's show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys continue to check in on all the different training camps underway in the NFL, as well as some of the narratives beginning to form, and why ��stats,” from training camp are an absolute joke. Joining the progrum to clear up the Christian Wilkins situation, some of the deals that have gotten done, Trey Hendrickson and Terry McLaurin’s contract situations, and much more is ESPN Senior NFL Insider, Adam Schefter. Later, former co-host of Good Morning Football, Emmy winner, and current ESPN NFL Insider/analyst, Peter Schrager joins the show to chat about what he’s been hearing from camps so far, who he’s been most impressed by, what he’s heard about Matthew Stafford’s health, his expectations for the Steelers this year, and his thoughts on Happy Gilmore 2. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our Humble the Bull, the Thunderdome. On this overreaction Monday, July 28th, 2025, this program begins now. Football! It's happening all around us. If you're like us, obviously your timelines were filled with highlights and narratives and stories in football. From one side of this country to the other, all 32 teams are making magic at their respective training camps, and we'll talk about it all. We'll have highlights our top five, top five, top five, top five from going camping, and also some narratives, some storylines, and some developing stories that are up in, what's going on up in Chicago?

Whoa, not good. Well, I thought Ben Johnson's offense with Caleb Williams was going to be an automatic kickstart to Caleb Williams' perennial all-pro career, the perennial all-star, the perennial superstar, The consummate megastar, Caleb Williams, with Ben Johnson at the helm, was going to really be ignited into who he could possibly become as a professional quarterback. He sucks right now. They're saying he sucks right now. Ben Johnson's come out and say, he's learning a brand new offense, his third offense in two years.

Can we please relax for a couple of seconds and then let him develop and let him figure out what the structure is, where he needs to go, and then we'll get to the off-script place. Can we do that? And everybody's like, sure, but we're watching him. He sucks. and your social media team put a bunch of bagging stuff up and his dad we know arm wrestler

but he's also hilarious dog from the thing tell your social team to stop burying Caleb because all we're seeing is to back up get the offense and Caleb doesn't... Caleb's dead! Ben Johnson goes for three days in training camp can we all relax? Well I've seen the stats from the training camp

and it's saying then JJ Watts coming out and go hey hey people are starting to be a little bit too serious with this whole thing. We thought we were joking with the stats. What we're saying is everything that we're seeing on training camp right now. Although it is either very spectacular on one side and absolute ass on the other or reverse those two things.

Everybody's trying to get better right now. Everybody's working on things. Everybody's learning things. I don't think we need to press the panic button right now. But if you see something good from your team, you should definitely think you're going to win the Super Bowl. Because that is what these weeks are all about. Now on that note, well, a team from Pittsburgh

win the Super Bowl this year, they're going all in. Money's all over the place. We'll get a chance to have boots on the ground. Wednesday, we'll be live from St. Vincent College in Laetro, Pennsylvania. Come up and see us, come up and hang with us. We cannot wait to see the fine Yinser people up there. Obviously, St. Vincent College has been the host of the Pittsburgh Steelers training camp for like three, four decades at this point, is a mecca, pretty much of Steelers fans.

And to make the pilgrimage up there is basically whatever Yinser kid has ever done from Western Pennsylvania. Go watch the boys build for an incredibly tough season. All the greats have been through St. Vincent, and this year, obviously, it has Aaron Rogers, D.K. Metcalfe, Jalen Ramsey, Darius Slay, and a litany of studs. A luster littered with talent going all in. We will be able to catch up with all of them. And also a special team's coordinator who is one of the most hilarious humans of all time. Then on Thursday, we back that up. We'll be at the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Here we go. Because remember, on Thursday night, we got NFL teams playing football to high school stadium. We'll be live from the Pro Football Hall of Fame. We'll be right in front of the entire thing, right on the corner. It should be a great time.

I think we're going to have some big guests, I think. They've got a lot of scheduling going on. Obviously, the Hall of Fame festivities are what they are. We are very thankful to be a part of it. And you can come hang with us at both these shows. Hopefully you'll come see us. I think there's a pretty big parking lot from the Pro Football Hall of Fame that we'll be right in front of. And the guests should be big.

I think we've got some big guess. I hope so. I also got a guest coming from outside of sports world, but Ohio legend. Oh, really? That's how I'll leave it at. It's not just me here on this glorious overreaction Monday. Obviously, the talks at tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Conman, a lot of good stuff coming out of Patriots Cam.

We'll dive into it. And Ty Schmidt, the range goats had. Bobba Watson had the weekend of his life other than whenever he won the Masters, obviously. Yeah, I mean, listen, it is football season. And that's kind of where everyone's mind's going. I get it. But, you know, when you see your favorite golf team, go out there and just absolutely tear up the course in England. Bubba, driver off the deck.

I mean, everyone wants to do this. Very few can actually do it, especially when, I mean, look at the way Bubba's going to open up here. Oh, baby. So this on the 13th hole, I think he said he's like 236 out or something like that. He carries it, no problem with speaking to it, saying cut, cut, cut, slice, slice, it did. he ends up making that putt for Eagle, but that wasn't the only time he won driver off deck on Sunday. No, it wasn't, you know, when you can do it once, why not just do it again?

You know, when you're feeling it, you're going to do it. And that's what Bubba did once again. So he had, that was either, yeah, 10 or 13. That was 13. That was 13 now. Here's 10. So this is the first one. Bubba's feeling a little frisky, you know, and he had to go for it because

Joaquin Neiman was up big. I mean, look at the undulation of that leading up to the green. And then boom, he's going to catch the slow. And, oh, no, it's tracking. It's tracking. Is that going to go in? Is Bubba going driver off the deck? Right into the cup?

No, it's going to nestle up there about four feet away from the cup. And he's going to finish that off as well for an eagle. So, yeah, Bubba, you know, no big deal. I believe he played six under through eight holes to kind of get him back in contention. He finishes in second place. I don't know, is Bubba back or the range goats back? A lot of people are saying they are. It feels like golf might be back with us paying attention to live golf.

which is certainly awesome for the sport of golf. But watching Bubba do his thing is cool, especially with his entire story and everything he's been through. And now his newfound ownership of a golf team over there and live. We're proud of him. We're pumped for him. Yeah, anytime he go driver off the deck twice. Now, it was on 10 and 13,

and since they do that dumb-ass shotgun start, you don't know when. No, no idea. We have no clue. He may have started on 6, he may have started on 9. He might start on 11. He could have. So then 10 is actually 7.

18. You're right. And then 13 would be two. Nonetheless, we love that they play it like it's a fucking weekend scramble, raising some money for the local fire hall. We do appreciate that. Without a doubt. But it is hard to fall. You know, it is hard to keep up with. But we are appreciative of Bubba Watson being all the way back. I'm happy you're showing him so love. Let's go to one half of the hammer. God. Cowboys AP tone. Hey, a lot of football this weekend. A lot of football this weekend. It felt good to kind of see it back in our lives. Yeah, Connor does the countdown to the actual first game of this season. How many days are we?

38 days. That is very, very close. I do the countdown to training camp because I live off of these training camp videos and stuff like that because it's so much different than like, what, two weeks ago where we were watching, the internet was dead. We had some golf and stuff like that.

But football and football is back, even if it's training camp videos, like people can feast off of these and feed their passion and, you know, just their optimism for the season, and that's what I love. I love the optimism. You know, some people kind of getting a little too panic buttony early.

I think people are looking for that in their day to day. And just kind of off topic here. Has your algorithm started showing up big time fights and deaths and stuff again? Yeah, once again. Not fights. Some people just getting knocked out. Cincinnati. Yeah. Saw that.

We need to watch ourselves. Yeah, we need to watch what people are saying. I'm not... It's on Arkansas. Yep, that one too. Yeah, the wars are dying down a little bit on the algorithm. So it's more just, you know, fighting. Yeah, don't know if they actually are.

We're not saying anything. We're just telling you what algorithms are trying to, hey, this is what you need to see. I saw somebody, I saw another dead body. I don't like that. No, yeah. Had to mute. And I don't know if I can talk to the algorithm. So I just start speaking into my phone.

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, no death. No death. They can't have it. Also, football's back. Just feed football. I need to stop seeing people get their asses. knocked out and they're like well you need to see this one everybody's one more before you see this way everybody's talking about it it's like but the it seems like the algorithm every

once in a while just have it where it's like you know what chaos yeah yeah you need to see it it's happening this the real world bang bang see a train yep somebody got hit by you're saying right it's it's it's an interesting but football was everything scroll football yes scroll football yes scroll football oh smart steward's on his deal yeah Okay, happy for Schmar's doing. Scroll, guide, dies. True. What's going on?

And then if my eyes accidentally look at it for four to five seconds, the algorithm goes, God. He loves it. He loves it. Boom. Now all of a sudden, now all of a sudden it's one football highlight, dead body. Then it was like football narrative, McVeigh talking about Matthew Stafford. The hell's going on there? Uh-oh.

Uh-oh. Yeah. I don't like, coming into training camp, you know how I don't like that. Me neither. It's time to raise some hell in L.A. boys. What do you mean? It's Stetson's time, okay? Oh, Jimmy G's slinging it on.

Yeah, yeah, Jimmy's just kind of a placeholder there for Stetson. You know, you don't want to have a quarterback controversy, so you bring in old Jimmy G. Hey, Stetson, you are the guy, you are the prince who's promised, but we can't have you sitting behind staff. Staff's not going to like that. He knows you're a Georgia boy who raises hell. Yeah, I think staff and Stetson get along just fine, handsome Jimmy G's back into place you're supposed to be, which is Los Angeles. But I was staring at that video longer than I watched it. Sure.

Just so the algorithm would see me looking at that. And then lo and behold, one-time scroll, it's just like, oh my God. It's hard to battle right now with the algorithm. But any time football is showing up at the level in which it's showing up, it's a great thing. Now, there's going to be some tough days at these camps where there's going to be absolute shite to talk about.

But right now, a lot of guys trying to prove themselves in new places. Let's go to nine-year NFL vet, Darius Jay Butler here. A lot of new guys in new places, a lot of new faces and new spaces making plays all over the place. But there is a chance that a lot of these guys don't work. What the hell happened were Wilkins in Las Vegas? I saw a report. I'm sure we all have. Nick, I'm not sure of his name.

Nick Walter. I don't know his background, but everybody saw this report. Very weird. Very, very weird. It makes you start, you know, your mind starts to wonder. Obviously, with the player, you look at the history, you look at other things, and then you come up to your own conclusion. I'm sure there'll be some other things that come out. Well, this was a huge, huge signing for them last year.

Obviously, if you're a Dolphin fan, you wanted Wilkins to stay in the building. We lost them, and then for something like this to come out, and then they tried to avoid a bunch of his money. I'll be interested to see how this plays out, and he has a serious injury, too. I believe it, Jones fracturing his foot, so hopefully he can get that figured out and then land on his feet somewhere at a good organization. So many things happening, just so many things happening, including a man who's a college football national champion,

a Super Bowl champion, a Rider Cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawkinson. We are lighting our hair grow a little bit. I like that, age. Yeah, I've got a little awkward, weird face for a long time, growing the sides out. But yeah, what's up? Christian Wilkins, I do, I think I put in the group text.

What happened? What's going on? Yeah, so the only way it was described by local ABC, Las Vegas sports reporter, Nick Walters. He said, everybody's being real tight with it. It was weird. It's a very weird incident. So we'll ask Adam Schaefter here in about four minutes.

when he joins us about what this could possibly be about. But these are things that start rolling out during camp. And AJ, are you growing your hair out? No, I don't know what I'm doing, to tell you the truth. Just not cutting it. And there's a weird, I'm going to cut it in some other style. I can't. I'm sick of having it long up top like I do.

It's training camp. Wow. You just try, you just try shit. Just let it go. Yeah, AJ, what? I actually just told Bruce before the show that what he does to his hair is criminal. Okay, he has great hair. He wears a hat every day.

He's like making the best hair. uh and he always wears a hat and the hats are just like just like hey if you're bald you do what you're doing right now your hair's so good so we're talking about that you also had great flowing no no i never i never had like yeah i had long hair long like ratty garbage hair never had like long flowing thick locks it was never that yeah but it was it was your look game day it was your look it was your thing are we going back to that no i don't think so you know but i it would be weird to wear a hat here on this if it's just the one shot could i wear a hat would Would you even be able to see my head?

I'll wear a hat on here once in a while. You'd have to wear it. I'm saying when it's just me, though, in the purr— when I'm here in this sit, in the attic. The issue is where your lights are. Because, like, if you wear a hat and the lights are from top, it's not great. That's why backwards hat normally television for the lighting thing. AJ, I think if you just wore a hat for the next eight months and grew back that ratty, white trash shit—

Yeah, that'd be awesome. Oh, my God. I never know. Maybe it might happen. I don't know. Yeah, AJ, it is a little ratty, white, trashy. But I think it is awesome. It would be great to have that back.

Great to have that back. Yeah, I don't know. What are you talking about? It was a phase. I'm glad I did it. I'm glad I did it and had a phase of long hair. Like, when you look back of your parents from like the 70s and they all had long hair, I'm like, okay.

I did that. I had the phase. Look at that beard. Yeah, the beard is clean. Strong. Good permit. That's actually a five o'clock shadow two months from now. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. Doesn't grow any facial hair. Whatever you do with your hair, you need to know that we support you. Thank you. I appreciate that. It's a tough decision for you, this midlife crisis thing.

And if you go through anything that you need our assistance of, just know that we are supporting. Okay, we are supportive of what you're doing. Hey, Jay, you want to go camping or not? Yeah, let's go camping. That does sound pretty good. Hey, let's go camping, shall we? Yeah.

These are our top five plays from training camp that we saw this weekend. Now, there's a lot of plays that happened. We might have missed some. This is just what our alga was sneaking into our life. lives in between fighting and death videos. These are the videos that we see you getting the same thing, AJ? Yep, exact same algorithm.

Feels like we're all going through it, right? Oh, yeah? It's like... I get scared to people their head is going to hit the curb or hit really hard on the concrete and they're all dead. Yeah, well, don't worry because the Savannah bananas took care of that and they actually didn't die. You're good. That was a work, brother. I don't think so. I live in the world

where that wasn't a work and that guy front flipped onto his forehead. That was a work, brother. On that note. Rest and peace of the Holkster. Yeah, obviously. We're one of his final interviews, I think. He traveled all the way in here to chitch out with us. Was very kind to us.

Obviously, he has lived the life that he has lived. Incredibly important to a lot of different forms of entertainment. Certainly, the wrestling business as a whole. Was he a perfect human being? Absolutely not. Okay, I think that is something that will be said about everybody that passed away. But he certainly in the spotlight did some things that weren't necessarily the best at the time. But with that being said, you can never chit chat about entertainment

and sports in the United States of America without mentioning the Hulkster, brother. That's just the way it is. Rest in peace, Terry, rest in peace, Hulk. And thank you for your years of service for our entertainment. Brother. Now, on that note,

that guy hit a backflip in the middle of the game just an hour or two after he did that video and caught the thing. It's actually called the rack flip because his name is something, Anthony Stumphing. Yeah, Robert Anthony Cortez or something like that. So this was on an interview to promote Savannah Bananas.

I think you've seen this. Boom! And I'll be watching now. That's real. That got me. I don't know. That could possibly be at work. He split his chin open.

Yeah, she always made. Boom. Why does he just forget how to do a backflip in the middle of a backflip? I don't know. That's tough for me to understand. And this was just, I don't know, eight, nine hours later, the game that he was marketing. Oh, what's that? Fly ball out.

I left. Backflip. Rock flip. The dude from CNN who busted his face open. give a full speech about him coming back. Way to respond here. They give him a full. Same day.

Yeah, that was the game. That was the game I think he was promoting four, you know? So that all thing kind of happens. Now, the timing that you have to have him, maybe it is the mitt that weighs him perfectly balanced. And maybe it is the thought of just making a play for the bananas, for the team that when he was with CNN, what's on the line here? Nothing.

If I drop this ball and let down a rest of the fucking bananas here, I need to make this catch a lane, the thing, sticks it, throws it out there. or that was a work that was a work I think it was real I think everything you mentioned you're out there your adrenaline's flowing

you got 70,000 screaming Mimi's in the fans so yeah you're going to be out there sleeveless Oh the babies? Babies Oh excuse me people

Yeah Men women Not you mean Just never heard that before I'm sorry Am I too old for that No that's one of my old coaches You said that in college

Just came back Sorry 70,000 people in the stand So adrenaline is flowing I thought the Bananas fan base was potentially called the Mimi. No, no, no, no. Because who's a fan? Me.

Me? I thought that's who. Might be. Hey, might be now. I thought you knew the Savannah Bannas better than all of us whenever you just dropped the name in there casually. That would be something you would do with it. No, no, no, no. Call Curious George.

Let's just figure it out right now. Get it over with. Who? No, you're sticking to the man in the yellow hat. Curious George's father. Who runs the whole thing. Oh, you stilts? Yeah.

No, no. Jesse, the guy who runs the deal. The guy's the ducs. Yeah. Yeah. Got it. Anyways, could but you think it's a work or no?

I think the flip now. I didn't at first. Now I think the flip was a, yeah, playing situation. No, show his face. 1,000% away. See,

great job by him. Please find his face. Then we set the video into the group. There's a, his hands are a weird. Why does his hands go flying out in front of him and when he's in the... Because he didn't have his ball man on. Duh.

Doesn't see the ball in the air. Like, that's what he's used to do it. What's gone? Well, why didn't one of the people in the studio, throw him a ball he could have done it then I don't know because they decided not to here's a video he posted afterwards hey guys for the record you have my full

permission to laugh I I can't not laugh every time I watch it dude this always okay love you I'm gonna get some rest I love you too so he busted his mom so that's commitment to the bit but that's what the bananas would no no no no no all let's do well let's go camping okay Let's go camping, shall we with our top... Hey, Rack, we hope you're okay. Way to bounce back and hit that roundflip. That's right.

All right, our top five plays that our algorithm showed us from the weekend of training camp. Let's go camping. Let's go to Music City. Let's go to Nashville, Tennessee. Let's go to the number one overall pick, Cam Ward. Remember, the general manager said, hey, you don't pass on a generational talent.

Cam Ward, drafted to the Tennessee Titans. Hey! Roll left, cross-body, throwback. Perfect. Dot to Calvin Ridley. This is what Calvin Ridley had to say after practice about Cam Ward joining the Tennessee Titans. Man, when we picked them, man, I would, bro. It feels different around here.

You know, in the building, it feels like just really because of him. That first pick, when we got him and it was him, man, it just feels crazy, honestly. It feels good. I know that we got a good quarterback. He's confident, and we got to keep him confident and protect him because he's special. He talks a lot of shit on one of his streams. he actually said, Calvin Ridley is one of the top five wide receivers in the league whenever he's asked about it. It almost gave away that he was going to go to the Tennessee Titans.

But now that we watch him and learn more about him, he was the obvious number one pick here. And Tennessee might be for real with this guy. You find your quarterback, you can find a team and a culture, AJ. Well, think of all the hope we have, like Tennessee people have just from seeing Cam Warden camp for a week. And I understand, like, the big throws that he makes that is impressive. But I'm honestly more impressed by how he carries himself. and the stories from his coach talking about how confident he is, how well his recall is on the play calling as he's talking trash to the defenders,

and he's getting the play call in his ear and he's able to get it out perfectly. Like, honestly, that is almost more impressive me than his arm strength. Hey, Coach Callahan said, it's the first time I've ever experienced it. I'm actually listening to him talk shit to somebody while giving him the play call, and then I ask him if I need to repeat it, and he says, no, you're good, man. I'm good. We keep him moving. And the way Calvin Ridley's talking feels like the same way the University of Miami started talking whenever he showed up there.

He is a magnetic force It feels like D.B. Yeah, you get a quarterback, you got a chance And I remember all the videos with him and Shadour kind of training during their off-season even going into their last college years and all this shit that he's talked

The confidence that he has The bravado he carries himself with And then he backs it up with the play The guy like Calvin Ridley When you are a wide receiver We're all dependent on other guys around us But wide receiver is the most dependent position I believe out there and in Callahan

You know, he has the O line pedigree So you got an O line that can protect that guy you got a chance to build in the division that you can compete with it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that, brother. Let's go to Seattle, talk about a young quarterback that had no conversation about him coming into the NFL. Jalen Milrow. You remember Grave Digger against Auburn? You remember the highlights.

What about a throw to Jackson Smith and Gigbadana sideline? Is it in or out you make the call? Well, we can't fucking see it all right. But I will say, powered by Boeing, scares me a little bit, but all of a sudden makes me excited that Boeing is sponsoring things as it moves forward. Jalen Milro, though, nobody was talking about him as an NFL quarterback. Nice to see a highlight coming out of camp. Coach Belichick was pretty high on him, and obviously we know how Nick Saban felt the bottom at Bama, but yeah, you get a guy, and I love him, Jig, but he's an absolute weapon. It'll be, is he going to have a

chance. Do you know Darno's going to be there? He's going to be the guy, but yeah, Jalen Monroe, he is a weapon. I expect him to see the field at some point. Yeah, the package quarterback, because he is one of the best athletes whenever he touched the football. field. And look, I'm in the air a lot. I love bowling. Keep bringing it. Yeah, keep bringing it. Please. I have forced to, I think, because they're everywhere, but, uh, yeah, come on. Yes. We need you. We need you. Uh, let's go to Oxnard, uh, Oxnard, California. You know, there's a lot happening over there. And we'll talk about Jerry talk and Mikea

talking and the business and Shawty's first training camp. Let's go to a great moment on the defensive side. Man who was brought in from the Buffalo Bills, Kair Ilum. Oh, track, pick, celebrate with your team, and maybe the fans. There's a little babe boy here. I'm going to go ahead and scoop him. You got the ball. Hold them up like Simba. The place goes bananas.

Love the good vibes coming out of training camp, because all we've heard from Dallas is negativity, A.J. Hawk. Yeah, you know, when we normally, whenever you see that yellow tubing on that fence over there when you're talking about Oxnard, what are we usually seeing? We're usually seeing a huge full-team brawl between the Cowboys, offense, and defense, whoever may be. and there's usually fans that are almost getting some friendly fire. So this is a great little turnaround, I guess, real positive influence,

a little positive thing to happen. You talk about the fans getting friendly fire. I think Dak Prescott got some friendly fire too last year at this side of the field whenever things were happening at that point. This is a beautiful scene. He's brand new to the Cowboys as well. Yes, he is. You know, had a rough ending, I would say, in his tenure in Buffalo.

But sometimes you need a fresh start. You know, fresh start. It's a lot of talent on that Dallas defensive side of the ball, especially once they get parts in them building. So you heard he was a high first round. pick so he has the talent. Hopefully this is the system that he can get out there and make plays. But I love making plays like that in that

moment for that kid, for that family. You'll be able to remember that forever. Yeah, that's beautiful. Everybody rallying around it too. It looks like the boys vibes are high even though there's drama everywhere else. You know, Bubble was in old England. Go and driver off the deck. Yeah, sure. Let's go to New England with Drake with a big

deck. He has a big deck. Big yard. Yep, even bad. Big ball here to Pop Douglas. Boston Connor got all excited watching this. How come, Paul? Yeah, I mean, look, it's PMS overreaction money. There's a reason that New England Patriots fans and fans of other teams that haven't been so good are so excited right now. Pats are running the Super Bowl and Drake May is going to

win MVP. So yeah, there's a reason. Stuff like this gets you juiced up. Love to see it all good things. To your points, those fake stats, they're real for teams of bad teams or fans of bad teams. And Drake May has been like, you know, 20 and 21 all camps. So incredible to see.

And look at all those fans. The support is very strong for Mike Vrable and the boys who are in full past. I saw a lot of fans at a lot of training camp. Feels like the buzz for the NFL this year is very, very high. We're thankful to get out to St. Vincent on Wednesday, then to the Hall of Fame game on Thursday. We'll get a chance to feel it. But all the camps had a lot of people. I did sit Kellyn Moore down there in New Orleans.

He spoke to about 30 people. Sure. He mentioned three times in there how hot it was. I couldn't even imagine. Indiana was like 100 degrees this weekend. New Orleans with this heat wave they were having. That had to be insufferable down there. So shout out to their fans showing up as well

in Kellynne's first training camp. And now, it's come right here to Indianapolis, Indiana. You know, you talk about teams that aren't worried about stats during training camp. We are a team that is worried about stats in training camp. No doubt. Because there's a quarterback competition. And I'll tell you what, everybody that's been up there

says it's not really competition anymore. Whoa. Everybody seemingly is a bunch of Believers. A.R. All right. All right. Straight to Alec Pierce.

Now, Alec looks absolutely yoked. He's on a contract here. Obviously, he was putting in the work all offseason. His upside is also so immense. Just like AR's upside is so immense. These two, if they're able to connect this year, can become an absolute weapon on the offensive side. But all eyes are on number five right there.

Is he going to be a guy whose career is going to go one way or the other? This is the chance. Carly Orsay, Kalyn Ursay, and Casey Ursa, all the ownership of the Indianapolis Colts have come out and said hey he's still got time to turn this entire thing around. Chris Ballard, General Manager, hey, he's still got time to turn this entire thing around.

He knows that he still has time to turn this whole thing around. Different traits before practices. He's doing walk-through reps in his mind getting after it. He looks like he's in incredible shape. With that hurt him, when it comes to taking hits during the season, we shall see. But it feels like a lot of question marks that we've had about Anthony Richardson

as a quarterback and as a professional have seemingly come back the other way this training camp early, but it does feel good to be a, maybe a Belivar. I love Belivar. And competition, looks, it brings out the best in a, you have a true. What, AJ? What are you laughing? Are you not a Believer?

You haven't seen that? Please tell me the origin of this whole Believer. Someone's not a Believer. I'll tell you what. I could be. I just don't know where it came from. Are you a non-believer? We're looking near and far for Believers.

Near and on. Believe it's not that hard to be a Belivar Near and far we need a Believer That's all he need it Yeah, straight-in' It cleared it up. Thank you guys. I'm a Belivar now.

Boom! We got it. He looks good. What I'm saying, he looks good. He does. He does. He's got some big steps to take. Availability is number one.

You got to be available for your team. When you were a quarterback, we saw Tua talking about that and everybody knows that fan coach whoever you are you want to start quarterback out there if he wins this job coach fans you want to be the guy and it was some conversation i believe last week about is this a make or break year maybe not for a r for his complete career boy as far as his career here in indianapolis i think this is a make a break year for five ton of weapons out there alec pierce obviously been one of them you got pitman you got downs you got ad you got jt in the backfield and then big tyler warren uh the big titan we got out of penn

state. So you have the weapons, you have Shane Steichen, we know can call a good offense. You have all the pieces in place to be a really, really good offense. And we know the pieces that we made on the other side of the ball as well. So I'm excited. I'm definitely a belivore. Pine tree, oak tree. How about the ogletree, brother? Do you see this? You're talking about the weapons on the offensive shot. Hey. Damn. Hey, boom. Give me that. It's moving quick. Yeah, I love that. Love everything about what's coming out of the coach training camp.

Happy we want camping. Joining us now is a man who knows all about our campsite. That's right. This guy can rub sticks together and make fire. Ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider at ESPN, Adam Schifter. Yay! Shephtney, sorry we made you wait there. We had to go camping. I assume you got a lot of work done there.

Let's talk about some questions. First of all, how are you? Everything good? Jack. Great, great. And no complaints here, Pat. We're happy. Okay.

We are very happy. Football's back. It feels amazing. Let's talk about some outstanding issues around the NFL. We'll start. in Dallas. Obviously, Micah, Jerry, whole situation has become very loud in public. Now, Kaira Elam makes a big play, grabs a baby, they all have a good time. So I think the team and football aspect not being bothered in Shottie's first year as the head coach. But when it comes

to Jerry and Micah and how all that shit is gone, do we think that has any effect on how long it takes for this deal to get done? Or do we think that is all just literal noise as we move through training camp? Well, it's been bogged down. It hasn't gained a lot of traction. And And it feels like both sides are digging into their respective stances. And there hasn't been a lot of movement in recent weeks or months. You know, the Cowboys haven't talked offers and deals since probably late in March, early April, around the owner's meetings when Jerry seemed to imply that he thought a deal was close to getting done. And then it didn't get done.

And then obviously, Mike said, we're not doing a deal without my agent, David Mulgetta. And then they and the Cowboys have not had a lot of conversation since then. And I don't think Dallas has made since that time any pressing effort to get a deal done. So obviously, there's a lot there that's just sort of sitting there, and there hasn't been a lot of positive momentum to get a deal done. But everybody thinks at some point, of course, it'll get done. And Michael will be the highest paid non-quarterback in NFL history. But again, slow going so far. Everybody thought T.J. Watts deal with the Pittsburgh Steelers would get done.

I wondered whenever he held out of the mandatory minicamp, that deal inevitably gets done. Everybody thinks Micah and the Dallas Cowboys is going to get done. We assume that'll get done as well. He's in his fifth year, though, of his rookie contract. It's an abnormal situation for a superstar player, whether it's with the Dallas Cowboys or not. I think Micah handling it the way he's been handling actually. Bravo, Bob, I think he's handled it very, very well.

Could have been much louder and more negative about it all. Said he wants to be there for his team. Hopefully it works out and shot his first year as a head coach. Let's travel north a little bit, same type of situation. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, chef, any updates? It's like, what's the latest, Trey Hendrickson and Cincinnati? Have they gained any ground?

Is there any chance that he's going to be in the building anytime sooner rather than later? AJ, here's where they're at, essentially. I mean, the deal is in place, but there is a disagreement over the guaranteed money in the deal. And it's a big disagreement so far. Now, maybe the two sides can figure out a way to bridge their differences, but the Bengals typically have not guaranteed full deals. They did it for Joe Burrow. They did it essentially for Jamar Chase. they're not willing to do it for Trey Hendricksson.

And so it's up to the two sides to figure out what is the proper guarantee. They could agree on the years. They could agree on the average. None of those are issues right now. The whole issue, the whole hang up, and the reason that Trey Hendrickson still is in Florida today is over guaranteed money. How far apart, Shepty, do you have any idea how far apart they might be on this?

Yeah. I would say, I mean, it depends. who you're asking, but I would say anywhere between $6, $7, $8, $9, $10 million $6, $7, $9, $10, $11, $13, $14, $15, $0,000, $1,000, $1,000, $1,000,000, $1,000,000. Depends, I don't know, like, what would Tray be willing to do? Let's put it this way.

Multiple millions, multiple millions apart and guaranteed money. How about that? Is it one-year deal they're still offering? Because they're offering, like, a bump on this year, right? and he wants a three, four year deal or whatever it is, all they've been willing to do is just for this year, where they give you more guaranteed money? Is that what you're talking about and alluding to here in the millions off? Because over a three or four year period, if they're

only $4 million off, that's actually only, or $6 million off, that's only a little bit over a million each year that they're off. This is for a one year, multiple millions of dollars off. I think the Bengals are off, one years of guarantee. I think they're talking about some guarantees in the second year, but they're not talking about enough guaranteed money in the second year. So it's just a one year dip bump up then. They want them to sign a two-year deal be locked in. Then we're in the same situation next off-season with the same shit. No, if and when a deal gets done, I would expect it to be a three-year contract. If and when it gets done. With two years of guarantees then, assumingly, if you just look at the math there,

three-year with a two-year guarantee. Probably T.J. just did that, I think. Miles both got three guaranteed, basically. Yeah, but it was like two and a half. Four-year contracts. Got it. So if you drop that down to three, you would assume it would be a two-year guarantee. Is that what Trey wants, Shephti?

I think that if the Bengals don't guarantee close to two years worth of money, I think the deal is going to be very slow to get done. And I, you know, and Trey is a very prideful guy. You've spoken to him. You know him. He's not coming in unless he feels like he's comfortable with the guaranteed money. He's already taken a stand this. long, you know. So it's like if he was to not get something that is great, I think a lot of people

would look at him sideways, including himself in the mirror about why to take this big stand if this is all we're going to get anyways. I hope it gets done just strictly because we like Trey and also because Trey has felt forced to do this. This is very much out of Trey's character. Doesn't want to. This is not what he wants to do. It's like this is what I have to do seemingly and it doesn't have to be this way, but maybe it does. Maybe this is just business and maybe as we move forward once football starts, this is all behind us, and who cares? Because we're in the moment, we talk about it more. But you know, you heard Terry McLaren last week, I believe it was, or two weeks ago talk about how frustrated and disappointed he was. The two holdouts right now

are Terry McLaren and Trey Hendrickson. And for two guys who have meant so much to their organizations to not be there, that tells you how frustrated and disappointed both are. Now, Terry McClureen's come back, and he's changed his stance from a holdout to a hold-in, but it's a similar concept here. He's there, but he's not there. He's not practicing. He's not stepping foot on the field until he has a deal that I believe he's comfortable with right now. He says he's got an ankle injury.

Now, again, you know, we'll see. But if there was an agreement on a deal, I'll bet his ankle would feel a lot better. Well, money is a good healer of things. I mean, we have certainly seen that in the past. With that being said about the holdout to the hold-in, that's just so he can't be fined what a hundred grand a day or whatever it is because that's what a hold-up. How much?

Basically, he's holding out his 50,000 a day fine. He's on his own. He's in charge of his training. When he comes in, the $50,000 a day fine stop, and he's around his teammates, and he's around their trainers, and so there's a big difference. Guys don't like to be away from their guys.

guys during training camp. It's an isolating, lonely, solitary feeling. Like, in a perfect world, you want to be around the guys. Amen. Always want to be around the lads, brother. On that note, Debutt has some. Yeah, I know he showed up with the, and he showed up with his agent, Buddy Baker, and he talked about the ankle injury, and I saw that the commanders put him on PUP. I guess what goes into that? And then what, just like, do you have any more details, just like with the Trey contract? How far are they apart? I know if you look at comparables out there, D.K. signed a big deal this all season. They were drafting the same class, even though Terry's a couple years older.

Terry hasn't missed a game in five years. What's the separation there in that deal right now with the commanders and Terry? It's been vast. Bast. Wow. It's been vast. And so it's up to the two sides to figure out a way to bridge their differences. But I would say that D.K. Meck-F. was the same draft class as Terry McClure. He got about $33 million a year.

you know i i wouldn't think that terry is willing to take less than that and i think he wants considerably more than that now what it comes in at we'll wind up seeing washington you know they're not there right now and they love and value terry mcclorn but they love and value him at a different price so they seem these two sides right now seem apart on a deal like they don't seem close today and i don't know how they're going to get that resolved and figured out, but these things usually find a way of working themselves out over time, but

as of today, I don't get the sense that anything's close. You love and value me, but don't value me as much as the Pittsburgh Steelers value a guy that's never played for them who's the same age who's had worst numbers than I have the last couple. I mean, that is where Terry's sitting.

That is where Terry is sitting and you talk about, not that I'm not pumped about D.K. Mechap becoming a Pittsburgh Steeler and Jensers learning about D.K. Mechaf seemingly every single practice. Have you seen this guy? This guy? We haven't seen any. Is this the only human that

has built the way that he is built? I mean, Yenzer's learning of D.K. Metcalf has been awesome to watch. Just one of holy fuck. Have you seen this guy? He runs this. He's unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. He is I mean, he's, whoa.

He's built very differently than everybody else. That's I, that's yeah. Yeah, coming off the bus, D.K's in a great spot. Wait, wait, hold up. Who was the guy? Was that D.K., yeah, it was D.K., right?

Where Pete Carroll, when he came in for the draft visit, took off his shirt. That was D.K., wasn't it? Yeah, and D.K. and A.J. Brown, what, teammates there for a little bit? Yeah, Ole Miss. What an absolutely nightmare scenario. Okay, well, good luck to Terry. Hopefully he gets a job done. A video we're seeing, not of him talking to Warner or whatever.

He was talking to Buddy Baker, his agent. That's from today. That is from an hour ago or whatever. So Buddy Baker with Terry on property. He's head scratches, man. Like, Mike. Trey, good guy. Micah, great guy, great locker room guy.

Terry, great locker room guy. And this is, I think, maybe his first year coming back with the same returning, starting quarterback. You would think you would want that guy in the building and build with that offense with Cliff and what they have on here. Oh, you're right. You're right. What am I saying? Hey, you know, Buddy Baker is an indie guy. You should get them on there.

Get them in the Thunder home. Yeah, definitely. I love agents. Maybe with Terry. Another Indie guy. Would love to have Terry. Yeah, bring Terry. Would love to have Terry.

Just you need to know over there, Washington, Terry's not worth it. Get them out of there. You don't need any distractions. Young career right now for Jaden. I saw Jay Lynn doing things down to field, making great catches. You got new ownership over there.

You guys got to worry about the stadium stuff. That's what a lot of them. It's all like Terry and Buddy staying around, distract you guys. Ship them both out of time. Send them right back to Indianapolis where they came from. Kick those guys out of your facility and send them right to Indianapolis.

And if you might even get maybe a pickback. Sixth round pick. I saw Terry McClure wearing a Believer shirt. He is a Bolivar. He knows. Okay, let's talk about some other. Go ahead, Shepty. Guys, I don't think the commanders are reminded.

that they have any interest in trading Terry McLaren. Now, what transpires down the good circumcision change in eventship? Sure, but I think today on July 28th, commanders have no interest in treating him today. We'll see if anything changes over time. Okay. What's going on, Vegas? Huh? ABC reporter says, only thing we've heard?

It's very weird. Very weird incidents. Now, this is Nick Walters, ABC Sports, out there in Las Vegas. say he's been trying to figure out what the hell happened here. What happened with it? We paid him a lot of money. Great football player. They voided now $35.2 million.

That's going to be an entire thing in litigation with the NFLPA. And then him getting released, it was a very weird incident. AJ, have you ever heard something described as such? What do you think? No, I would like to know what weird even means. It's all relative, too. We need some context there. What did this happen between one teammate shift?

Is that we put it over the top to let him go? like a series of events. Did he go into Mark Davis's office with a gun and say, where's my 35.2 million? That'd be very weird. Could have. Yeah. That would be very weird. I don't think anybody's ever done that before. What is, what have you

heard about this? And is he, how injured is he, when's he back? What happens here with Christian Wilton? Again, from speaking to people inside the locker room, I think what everybody's dancing around and tiptoeing around is the fact that when you speak to people there inside the locker room, they say that Christian playfully went

to kiss a teammate on top of his head, and those same people said that that player took offense to it. So that's what everybody's been dancing around and tap dancing around, an incident in the locker room where he allegedly, playfully kissed a teammate on top of his head, that teammate felt offended by it and that's what a lot of this talk and speculation that people have just been floating around out there is about okay so he kissed a teammate on a forehead in a playful manner teammates said nope not doing that and want the h and r and reported this entire thing basically is what happened i think that's probably a fair and accurate way of saying things yeah so yeah but that tells me a lot of things quickly that tells me a lot of things so so

So if that happens in a locker room and then they go and report it, that means the locker room probably didn't fuck with them, right? Feels like? Yeah. That's what it feels like? That individual for sure. I mean, I've, I mean, you see some different things in the locker room. There are different people.

This is, this will classify as weird. Yeah, I would think kissing on a team. He made bald? He got a, what if he won a euchre game with the guy, though? You never know. They're playing, maybe they're playing boo-ray. And the guy hit a double the party. He said, thank you.

kissed him on a four I haven't seen any smooching in the locker I've never seen it either but I'm just saying like hey the pocket this guy just lost all this this guy lost 40 grand to me thank you you know he goes

let me give you a I'm good luck to kiss the top of a bald head we've all seen the movie stuff like that if this guy's a full head of hair isn't Gruden's boy out there mm-hmm

he's strike coach believe it is deuce yeah he didn't try kiss deuce's head did he it wasn't dude if he's a hundred million dollar player I'm assuming it was like Max Crosby. He's not kissing some practice squad player and then

getting in that much trouble for it. I'm assuming he's kissing some player. Maybe he put his finger on his lips and did the whole like barber thing. Maybe there's a chance. And I'm not saying this happen. But I'm saying there's a chance that he grabbed the dog. I don't think we can

completely rule that out based on what we've seen on the field. That's not really. He's a guy that we've always said, great to have on your team would hate to play against him. It passed. Because everything, and he's kind of owned that, I think.

That's kind of been his, his M.O. He has done things in the past that two players on K, in 8K, in 4K, that make you go, geez, waste, how did we do that? Scott wants to wait. What is that? And then now a kiss on a forehead and a lot, I guess the locker room was like, hey, we're still seeing the clips of you on. That's an interesting dynamic.

That is very weird. That is very weird. Hopefully they get it all figured out. hopefully Christian Wilkins finds a new team I think Colts would be okay

him and Buckner in the middle he's a really good he's a great player he's a great football player he's so good I was wondering if he kissed him by your forehead

and well they were the most guardian cat will be probably not yeah well kiss the top of helmet yeah yeah

what about the injury yeah is he healthy will he be able to play or what are we that's another real question here because

again, he was supposed to have surgery a couple of different times out in Vegas, and for whatever reason, that surgery was put off. And I don't know whether or not he's going to have that surgery. I haven't heard yet, but my understanding is the timeline after a surgery that he might need could be anywhere from 12 to 16 weeks. So you're looking at something where if he had gotten it done earlier, his chances of coming back sooner, would have been greater. Now I think he would hope to join a team later in the season. That would be the hope. I don't know that he'll be able to play early in the season, but again, different doctors have different takes. I'm not privy to all of his medical information, but my understanding is he does need another surgery,

and that surgery is a 12 to 16 week surgery. Okay, so he would be able to play this year then, regardless um they voided his contract because he kissed the guy on the head no no that's not why they avoided his contract because there was a disagreement over the way he was going about his rehab his his foot injury basically the team had been asking him to have foot surgery over and over I think there were scheduled surgeries and they didn't get done and it's his body. He gets to do whatever he wants, right? So I think they wanted him to get the issue corrected surgically. He kept balking at that. It was not getting done. I think the team grew increasingly frustrated over time because they wanted him to have the surgery done. He didn't want to get it done. Maybe he felt like he didn't need it. You'd have to ask him. I don't know the full details there. And so when there was a disagreement over that, surgery, whether or not to have it, whether or not to get it done, putting it off, putting it off again. It got to the point where they're like, hey, you don't get this done. We're not going to have you early in the year. We need this done. We need this done. And it didn't get

done. 35 million dollar litigation. And it looks like, and sounds like Christian could probably win this one. Don't know if we'll have enough money for the lawyers to fight it, though, because we're in the second floor of Tutsis getting shoulder rubs. Okay. Allegedly. So, by the way, that's an issue right now with everything going on in the league. Like, there are a whole host of things where players can use some help on certain issues, like this one. And it's like, who's, who do you turn to? That's great.

Jeffty, that is a great question. We don't want to dive too deep in that because this is a positive show. There's a lot of negative we could go that way. Like, yeah, might not be able to have the extra four hours of a lawyer looking through every single clause. because why? Well, Cinnamon wanted a little extra spin on the pole down there at Tutsis at 5 a.m. with the executive director of the NFLPA.

So we don't need to get into that. We don't need to get into that. Good luck, Christian. Feels like you might be a professional golfer for $35.2 million if you don't want to get back into playing football. And kissing somebody on a forehead without knowing if they would get mad about it

is an interesting thing to say about a teammate in a locker room, personally. If you're just to view out from that and kind of talk from a different level. That's an interesting thing, you know, just to be like, I can kiss this guy on forehead and then kiss him on forehead. And then it's going the complete opposite way. That kind of seems on brand for him, though.

It's just like, you know what, I'm going to push this boundary. If this guy doesn't like it, he doesn't like it, and then I'll go find someone else. So on that note, as somebody that hasn't been able to read a situation well, I told Shane that Coach Shavin was not mad. Yeah, you did. So sometimes you're joking. So sometimes you misread.

Sometimes you misread some things. I don't want to blame too many people, but yeah, I definitely misread that situation, clearly. He's good. What are we talking about? It's Coach Saban, dude. Go up there, dude. Lerner to Bridge.

He was not. Nope. Question his entire integrity. He's like it's funny, fucking funny guy? All right. Who are you going to turn to? NFLPA, great question. Good luck out there.

I'm sure they'll make the right decision. They have continuously for a long time. Who's Cleveland going to turn to a lot of question marks over there? And also, Coach Prime has a press conference. coming out in like 11 minutes with his medical team we hope everything's okay that sounds very very very serious for an absolute i want to say thoughts and prayers with coach prime we love coach prime and we'll let him update his medical condition as he should here in the next 10 or so minutes and everybody will be pulled to shepter it's late there you're right you can do it

don't do it don't do it don't do it coach prime we love you man we all love you and appreciate you for what you've done for sports. You're one of one. A true anomaly in this world of, you know, just copycats. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Shepty, obviously Coach Prime Shadour is in Cleveland. He is one of the four quarterbacks there. And thanks to ESPN Cleveland, we know all the quarterback stats there coming out every single day.

Who is the frontrunner right now? I'm seeing a lot of Joe Flacco is leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else. I know Kenny, I think, is dealing with a soft tissue injury. What's the update on the quarterback? situation? Yeah, we reported yesterday that Kenny Pickett injured his hamstring and is basically going to reevaluate it later this week. He heard it at the end of Saturday's practice. He had a couple of really good practices and looked pretty strong. And so it's not, as it was told to me, initially, when we reported on this, a run-of-the-mill hamstring injury. But he's got to see

what's going on with that hamstring injury when he gets out on the field and tests it again. whether he tests it today or the end of this week, I think he's going to miss a little bit of time here. And obviously when you're competing for a starting job, that's not great. So that would seem to indicate that Joe Flacco, if Kenny Pickett's going to miss some time, that would give him an advantage. And you get the two rookie quarterbacks. Now, again, the only two mid-round quarterbacks that I've seen come in

when they were drafted that late and start out of the gate, were Russell Wilson back in 2012 and Dak Prescott. And both guys lit it up in the preseason, and when you watched them, you knew that the team had to start them. Now, we may see Dylan Gabriel or Sodor Sanders go out this summer and light it up in preseason and be like, whoa, that guy can play, and I want to see more of that in the next preseason game. But short of one of those guys lighting it up,

we've always thought it would be one of these veterans and now pickets down with a little bit of a hamstring issue and so Joe Flacco is the lone veteran quarterback standing so advantage Flacco right now but obviously a lot of training camp to go Flacco also knows Defancy's offense very well I mean he led them literally to a playoff two years ago did not work out with the Indianapolis Colts

so we assume that Joe Flacco is going to have the head start over everybody in the Cleveland Browns camp going in. He was also talking like, hey, I'm still a starter. I don't know what we're even talking about here. Am I going to be a mentor? Sure, but I've got to know what the hell I got to do for the game as well. Joe Flacco, he's treating this as if it's his team, I think.

And I know the conversation around it is, what about the future? What about the future? How long do they have over there? Andrew Barry, and Stafansky and everybody. You know, because Baker Mayfield wins him a playoff game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. See ya. You know, we're going to redo

this entire thing. We had success. We need to rebuild it. They obviously have a lot of stars on their team. They spent a lot of money. The Deshawn Watson contract was a massive swing and a massive miss. We think it came from like over their heads. So they got a big leash and a leeway here. Is that true? Right. So if that's right, Pat, and it came from over their heads. And that strapped that program down the last few years. And Kenneth Stefanski still won coach the year twice. And they still made a number of good moves and added good players and had two first-round draft picks in the 2026 NFL draft if that is the case and they were working with their hands

basically tied behind their why are we moving on from a great coach and a great GM like why are we doing that and so i i don't i don't view it as them being on a short leash in fact they should have more time than they're given because of some of the moves that were made so if you're right about that and there have been many people that have suggested that you are then these guys deserve plenty more time in my mind. Okay, so we just found out that that's the truth. I've always had a question. I always questioned in my mind, just found out what it was.

We always knew. The hat, especially because Andrew Barry, like, you are correct. I know Andrew Barry very well. I think I've known him since he's like 22 years old. Obviously, ex-Harvard quarterback was with the Colts for a long time. When he was like 34, I was hoping that he was going to get the Colts general manager job. I have a lot of faith in his brain the way he operates. Stefanskyy what?

Super genius, right? Everybody says he's got super genius. Ivy League guy as well. Yeah, so it's like, it's funny to think about, like, well, how they get the worst contract in history? Oh, it must not have been them. Oh, it must have been. That guy. Oh, yeah, because they were out of the running.

Remember, it was Atlanta or New Orleans. And then Cleveland comes back in. Because Hazam's like, hey, so I guess in things to feed stores. We want you to come up here to the cold. All right. Last question before we let you go. Good luck to Stafansky. Good luck to Andrew Berry.

Good luck to the Brown's faithful. Jerry Judy. Jerry Jr.'s your favorite football. Yeah, he doesn't need luck. JJ, they don't need luck. He needs an opportunity to shine. Put him on a big stage. He will do great.

We know that, especially with their brand new alpha dog helmets. And with how Brownie operates as a whole. Go ahead. Connor, last question for you, Shafti. Yeah, Chafty. Ben Johnson came out, talked about Caleb Williams, everything going on with him, this training camp. That seems to be a massive negative in the NFL right now, at least.

Is Caleb Ben's guy, for sure? Should we view this as kind of just like a learning year? or is there a chance that Ben Johnson does this year and then pulls to Sean Payton like, hey, Russell Wilson, get the hell out of the building? Well, I think they brought in Ben Johnson because the goal was to essentially elevate Caleb Williams. Everything they've done is to elevate Caleb Williams. So before we can even go there, I still think we're talking about a guy that was the number one pick that was regarded as an elite quarterback prospect. and they brought in a guy with an offense who has specialized in elevating the performance of quarterbacks. That's why they went out and spent all this money on the head coach and went out

and got three different new offensive linemen and basically came and produced all these players in the office seat to make sure that Caleb turns into the player he does. If he doesn't, I don't think it's going to be because of Ben Johnson. I think that they are committed to him right now. that's going to be something we all follow. Now, if the guy struggles, falters, hey, look, that's how the NFL works. But I think they are giving Caleb every opportunity, every resource

that he deserves, and it's up to him to make the most of it. If he doesn't, we can continue this conversation. All right, Chefty, hopefully we continue this conversation with you every single day until Super Bowl. We appreciate your brother. Football is back. That means we got magic to talk about. We appreciate the hell out of you, brother.

Thank you, guys. Have a great day. It was a kiss on a four. Yeah, okay I kissed the teammate He hated it That's Adam Schaefferely's All right Haslam did do the deal

Yeah, yeah He apologized, I think this offsy Sorry You guys This wasn't them I screwed up I seen it You've seen the headlines

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I saw the IG story of your Sunday travels up here. We appreciate you doing all that shit to get up here, man. You're great up here every week. Love it. Love it. Enjoy it. You basically live here half the year. I do. Tone.

You guys have better state income. away from home. A little bit. No doubt. We got good. Let's not get crazy. So pros and cons both places. I got bad property tax I've seen. And price. Price of living. So if you're thinking about coming to play for the Colts or for the Pacers or for the fuel or the...

The fever. The freight. Freight. Possible other teams. Ignite. I'm thinking about, AJ, every other day, I'm thinking about bringing a professional sports team here to Indianapolis. other day what sport well i can't give that away multiple sports hey there's been multiple sports just know these professional leagues that are kind of happening right now we've been snooping around all of them all of them we've been we have been we have been stupid around all of them just because we

think it would be hilarious to own a team like we think that would be a very funny thing let alone if this sport is awesome and combative and physical and potentially sportive future Up and coming. Perhaps. Perhaps. Maybe we get a room. All right. I need the commissioner's number right now.

That's what happens in this room. So we snoop around. Finding commissioner of these leagues, phone numbers, FaceTime, cold, immediately. Can I ask you a question? Been some good reporters. It's been great conversation. We've been learning a lot.

Answers in, like, fancy boardrooms are all wearing suits, and he called, you over there in a think tank? No, completely opposite. All of the people that are commissioners, Leagues. This is not just one person. This is multiple leagues that this has happened. The people answer it. Normally they're at their house or their office. And it feels like I'm looking at the Jeff Bezos Amazon photo from whenever he was in that room with the thing behind it. Or like the Steve job stuff, whenever him and the other Steve are in the garage at the house or whatever. That's what it feels like every time I FaceTime these people. You can see they're in the lab trying to make this league work. I've enjoyed it all. But just know we're snooping around. Always snooping around. It's always. Always hashtag up to something season. There's some big up to something's about to come to fruition, fruition, though, here. And I can't wait to drop these on the world.

Go ahead, Tom. I had a question for you. I don't know if you are going to be coach, owner, owner coach, owner coach player. Let's say, you know, one of the top five players on your team, top five highest paid players on your team, kisses another guy on the forehead in your locker room. What are you going to do? That feels like a locker room issue. I'm staying out of it.

Remember, I am going to be a giving owner. Okay. I don't think you can stay out of that one. I just want to let everybody know. I just want everybody know. The style of player that Christian Wilkins is, aside from the ha-ha and the ha-ha, you know, that's his style of doing things.

The style, he's relentless every single play, a little bit of a dog, other teams hate him. That is the style of player that we are looking for in all the leagues over in. Now, can't be sucking foreheads in the locker. Well, I remind you something. Especially not wanted foreheads. If these guys want to suck face in there in our team,

and they're good at the sport, and they both do what you got to do. Not in my locker rule. This can't be unrequited. What's that? Hold on, my locker. You know, the Christian Wilkins is a dog. How quickly you guys forget, Sunshine, kiss Gary Bertier, riding the lips, and they want a state title.

Yes, they did. It didn't start great for Sunshine. But it certainly ended great, didn't it? Yes, for all a society. Kind of thinking of it now. T.C. Williams. With that being said, I don't think my team will have any sucking forehead problems.

Just want to let you go. Any of the sports. Christian Wilkins, used to play, just trying to connect the dots here. Used to play in the AFCs for the Dolphins. I believe he was a rookie or in his early years when Tom Brady was quarterback of the New England Patriots. Now, I don't know if there was any beef, but what if this kiss on the forehead was a, you know, Brady and his kids type of joke that Christian Wilkins was making? Brady's kisses right on the lips. Exactly.

Also, Brady's kid, have you been watching him? Yeah, he's a dog. Yeah, big some bitch. Casual. Yeah. Casual dunk. Very, very casual. He's huge.

And he's got Tom Brady's... You know, it's the same thing we think about with Shador. Like, we assume because Shador's been around Prime, and Prime has literally been preaching or teaching or coaching all of society, especially the sports world, via different shows, his Twitter accounts, his social media, and then actually on the field, all of us in the sports world for like the last 20 years, I would assume that something has the osmosis through, you know, his head, we would think. So maybe Tom Brady's kid is the next coming of Tom Brady.

We shall see. Yeah, Jack. I believe there was a clip a few years ago of Tom, Clay Thompson, and Jack getting up jumpers working on his jumpers. I've seen a lot of clips Clay Thompson feels like he's in love. A lot of love talk. Congrats to him. Congrats, Clay. Guys, a pilot, right, or a boater or something?

Yeah, he's a captain, boat captain. I think Golden State, he had a place on the bay, his house. I think it went up for sale recently. I just saw it, very cool looking place. And I think he would boat his ass through the games and shit like that. Yeah, he's Captain Clay. Yeah, like Jimmy Graham. He's a flatter.

He survived? He did. He smashed right on record, like five days. Then he retired. They retired from football and from rolling? ball. Jimmy Graham, Stugged, tight end,

should retire from rowing, we think. Just going to start it. You never retire from rowing. I think he should. You did it. And also, he did the Arctic Ocean with a team of people. One of them was sleeping,

the others were going through, and they beat a world record. He just did this like two weeks ago or whatever. The video's coming out with that were disgusting. Not as disgusting as a tight-end pattern. Oh, geez. What everybody was saying, let's go camping, shall we? Let's go to St. Vincent College, Aaron Rogers, in the brand-new Pittsburgh Steelers.

A little seven-on-seven here. Okay, show it down. What do we do? Well, Pat Fryman is going to run a little way out. D.K. Metcalf is going to get checked down. And Pat Fryman is going to throw his hands on. Did you see that, AJ? I did see that, yeah.

What were they saying about him, Connor? I saw a lot of people down there at the Trobe saying, oh, I'm muffing, moth out there, patting again. What's Muff doing? He's just showing up his court. I think that's what they were saying, right? Oh, Aaron Rogers is going to love that. Of course, you know.

Hey, Rogers loves guys who pot on the field and they don't give the ball. Oh, yeah. As if you know, as if you know, he was in fucking pot. As if you would know, you're a homer. We see the body language. Body language for Fudge's leadership. Oh, I'm sorry.

You have a Moth jersey? No. Maybe I would know. Or maybe I asked him. Connor Fox, you got that for me, pal? I was definitely not pouting. I was pissed at my. myself, threw my hands up, I ran the wrong route, and I made the play look like shit.

So I was throwing my hands up in frustration to myself. Definitely not showed up my quarterback. Okay. All right, so he wasn't popped. You knew that was AI? Oh, no. You don't know muff like that. Yes, I do.

No, you don't. I know you don't know muff like that. That's AI if I've ever seen. Hey, Jay, let's talk about the situation that just happened. So we saw the highlight, or I guess low light there, of Friarmouth over the weekend. We come in this morning, something very easy to say to tone to gas him up quickly, is that one of his favorite players and humans, Friarmooth, is in a terrible spot with Aaron Rogers because he's potting.

He's showing him up. Sad. All the injures that go up to La Trobe to St. Vincent College are like, Does Mooth think he's better than a quarterback? This guy, what is he doing? Gumby sent to me eight times this morning. This is day three with this guy. We know Aaron's a little fickle potentially,

and now you're going to show him up in front of everybody. The whole world to see, literally that's what we just start. Soon as Tone sits down, just like, so C. the Steelers are in a bad spot. Everybody hates each other. Yikes. And 8-10 goes, what he was? We literally FaceTime Firemouth.

FaceTime. Cold FaceTime him. He answers. Right on the phone. And we all go, oh, he's part of powder. He started yelling at him for pounding. He's like, I'm not pounding. I fucked up.

That was a huge mistake by me or whatever. It's like, will you record saying that? And he did, which is why we can't take anything from these training camps. No. Seriously not. Like legit. Well, they want to paint a narrative, though. They want to paint a narrative.

I saw what, Stewart in Cincinnati. Someone films it. The caption just says. practice shape is much different than like workout shape whatever I watched the guy go through like two minutes of a drill and he looked fine like he was good and explosive when he went up yeah in between reps hand on his hips but he wasn't like puking he wasn't dying I'm like why are you trying to say this dude is dying

like people are trying to make things that aren't there on that note it's like just like the stats conversation which is why j j wats tweet wants so damn big and I would like to hammer home the fact that jj is an internet guy very good at it he's doing TV, obviously he'll be able to do whatever he wants. He owns two soccer teams now. He's going to be a bazillionaire's brother's wealthier than he is on the football field, but off the field what JJ has done, not only remarkable for the cities in which he comes from, but also business-wise, very, very good. He's always been an internet guy. He very much is an internet

guy. Loves to get in the conversation, does not mind saying his opinion, isn't scared of shit. And whenever he breaks down the stats conversation, he does it in a very accurate way for how the internet has been. At the beginning, getting these stats are coming out. I think it all started with Richard Sherman getting cooked in San Francisco. Richard Sherman was trying a new something, a new jam. And Shannon showed it to the team and said, hey, I respect him doing this. You guys, a lot of you guys don't have enough balls to do this because you know the media and the fans are there watching camp practice. Yeah, so he got killed. He's like, hey, he's working on something new. Like, hey, this is,

this is what practice is. This is what training camp is. It's why we call it practice, right? That's why it's called practice. But now it's gotten to the point where there's so much sports coverage i mean you can even count us in this entire thing we're considered obviously sports media and sports coverage we're not the only ones there's a lot of bloggers a lot of people that just go to the practice that have their own platforms record videos never been through a training camp that's not not holding that against them but don't maybe know what the fuck's going on and then all that needs is just a little bit of gas behind it or somebody that doesn't like the person to kind of promote it and boom all of a sudden that's why him saying like hey at the beginning these stats

were fun to talk about but now it feels like you guys are taking them a little bit too serious is, training camp is not real reps here. Now, there's certain periods where it's like, hey, good on good, this shit matters. Then there's other parts of practice where they're trying things. Friamuth just, they paid him a lot of money. He's going to be one of the top tight ends in the league this year, we think. We think Friamuth is going to be one of very smart, obviously, very intelligent player, very good football player. He is a veteran now. He's fucking up in seven on seven. There's a chance other people also making mistakes. So, whenever you see a quarterback potentially throw an interception, maybe the wide receiver

wasn't where he was supposed to be. Or maybe the quarterback threw a shit ball. Or maybe quarterback was trying a different throw. You know, like, hey, can I get this over a linebacker in front of a safety if I try this? Nope, can't. It was a pick, went back the other way. Okay, we move forward. It's hard not to overreact to everything.

Yeah. But I appreciate JJ going like, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. We got to pump the brakes a little bit on how much these stats actually matter because we have no idea the context of any of these periods. They don't matter, but at the same time, they do to us because we're so honk. agree for anything for anything football right now so you see it and you're investing you're bought into a team like you want to see like cleveland they put out the quarterback stats every day I'm sure it's going on here in indie too with a quarterback competition but yeah

you're right like there are so many things that go into what players and what coaches or what teams are trying to do or trying to get done the guy like richard Sherman who knows he's going to be on the roster yeah you're going to be working on things a rookie that's just trying to make a team every rep is like live or die but it's different everybody's kind of in a different situation, even like the real game film. Like when you go back and I'll go back on Sunday sometimes or Mondays, you know, putting everything in DB together and I

played in those games, been in those meet rooms, but I don't know the conversations that was had on the sideline. Hey, if they run this scissors route, we're going to pass it off, we're going to stay with, I don't know, but I can take my best guess so we really don't know. The PFF grades we don't know, we don't know, but at the same time, all

this media, the NFL is keen for a reason because so many people care about it, so many people care about everything. But the narratives are, Because you can create this narrative now, let's say it's Mooth here, two weeks into the season. He's not getting his targets or it's an interaction with him here on the sideline. It's like, hey, remember, you know, training camp week two. So it's giving and take. But, I mean, that's where we are right now.

July 28th, you know, every rep, every practice rep, every practice that kind of matters. Him answering that FaceTime and us all. Oh, Potter. Pat Friar moves. Oh, look who it is. It was electrifying. Because he sees, now, the internet say that he's pouting, trying to show up Aaron. He's like, oh, no.

Not only that, I ran a wrong route. I mean, this is wrong route, messed everything up. Oh, now everybody thinks I'm embarrassing the quarterback, and I'm not a potter. It was like catastrophic to the Friamuth brand. Oh, yeah. Basically, this one play, and everybody's watching it because, oh, Aaron's teammates don't like him already. He's like, I ran a wrong round. Okay, I saw something differently than everybody else.

Can we just move on? And that's how King, to your point, the NFL is. It's a beautiful thing, but it's also a fishbowl. And you are in it at all times. And all we can do from outside is just try to read the lips of what's going on inside of it. I mean, everything that they're doing with Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams right now. You know, like putting out how many picks he's thrown, he's learning a new offense, obviously. But even people like cherry picking and putting Ben Johnson's face, you know,

a screenshot from his opening press conference to like yesterday after Caleb's been struggling a little bit, it's like, oh, no, this guy realizes he's made a massive mistake, like almost pushing for like, hey, week four, these guys are going to have a huge, you know, they're going to get in each other's faces on the sideline. They already hate each other's guts. Like, it's hilarious. And it's almost like Bears fans, you know, I mean, granted,

a lot of that is Packers fans seeing that and kind of just being like, oh, yeah, feet. Look at this, look at this. But I'm also saying, too. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but then you also see Bears fans like, oh, no. Like, this is true. This is what's going on.

Because Bears fans deep down. they know they have that feeling everything's bad it's always there it's always there exactly right there so all they need is just a little bit and then the backup starts throwing touchdowns it's like wait wait wait wait why is it getting on red what you got the guy it happened with jet fans on Friday or whatever Justin Fields gets carted off there like

Oz ACL he's done forever it's just a toll I saw some people saying it was maybe an Achilles you know because they were talking about it turns out it was a toe issue maybe a fracture dislocated toe I think he's already back out of it. Yeah, he was. But they didn't even have the chance to say new regime, new era, new time, new chapter. Jets fans are just, I got, I mean, Cole sent me five texter.

I found out about it through a five, fuck, fuck, fuck, motherfucker, of course. Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob. That's how I found out about this. In real time, I think as he was getting carted off, I was receiving text. Oh, they just turned a golf cart wheel left. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable.

The J.J. McCarthy stuff, too. Have you seen this as well? No. I've seen J.J. get buried with a clip from last year's training camp. And that is also now... Throwed his fifth pick today. It was last year's. Bingo. Yeah, and it's like, geez, if I didn't know... They're in full pads July 21st. Yeah, it's like

always a clip of them in full pads when no one's even barely started. I mean, get up... Or first take posted something. They'd say, sorry, you know? I mean, it's hard time right now. It is. It's hard times, brother. I don't think, you know, the internet is very creative. Mm-hmm.

and talented place. I mean, I saw somebody pull a clip from our show from 2003. And it had the date on the video. Look at this shit. Fucking send it right out there. It's right on the corner. This is from two years ago.

You got anything say about? I've said a lot. I've seen it. It's been two years since that whole thing has gone off. It's a wild time on the internet. And joining us now is a man who knows all the answers. He would never be fooled. He's unfoolable.

Because this man is no fool. No, no, no. This man's an Emmy Award winner. Amen. This guy's been hosting GitHub. You've been seeing him? Oh, yeah. Crushing.

Riddle me this. He's been making lists. He's been making lists. Some good lists. Clean suits. I mean, we're talking, everybody's in summer. I mean, we're pretty casual all the time. Everybody in summer casual, not this guy.

Get a chance of host a show. Yeah. I'll go ahead and put this up. Real comfortable on the desk, too, seeing a couple of these. Ladies and gentlemen, insider, analyst, pundit from ESPN, in front of the program, Pierre Shringer. Yes, great.

Let's go. Hey, good hosting out of you, Bub. I didn't know you were a host. Nor did NFL network. Let's go. I'm here. Oh.

Let's go. Same world now, I think, from what I've been doing, it's all under the same umbrella. I believe at this point. I'm here to, I think it was Salome when he won. He was like, I want to be Michael Jordan.

I want to be the best. Like, that's how, I'm here. Like, let's go. I'm not taking anyone's job anytime soon, but I loved it. I absolutely loved it. And credit to the producers and the executives and to Greenie and Stephen A and Molly for letting me do it.

But I had a blast hosting Get Up and First Take. It was really fun. And to your point, football is here. Let's go. Let's go mess around. Shout to Faso, I assume. He was a massive piece of that entire thing. What a legend.

He's on a little bit of a world tour right now. Oh, yeah. Can't wait to see him on Wednesday. He's going to be pumped. Faso! 50 and 50, baby. I think it's been going great. I think it's been going great.

Okay, Shreggs, let's talk a little bit about football, shall we? Christian Wilkins' deal. So Schaefter clarified some things. He said that it was a kiss on forehead. Players said, uh-uh, we ain't doing that. Goes and says, get him out of here. Now, they wanted him to have surgery. He didn't want to have surgery.

I think Michael Thomas in the Saints had this situation. A couple of years back where they thought he should have surgery. He said, I don't want to have surgery. Then season came. He had to get surgery. Missed time. There was a whole thing. I think this has happened in the past about how you deal with

an injury, what a player wants, what the team wants. What are your thoughts on that whole situation? I mean, obviously, in two, three weeks from now, Christian Wilkins will sign with another team. We assume he has a three to four, what do you say, four to six weeks? 12 to 16 weeks. So three to four month recovery. If he does have the surgery, we think he'll probably be on another team.

What are your thoughts on that whole situation over there, Shreg? Shepter's on it in that this is a, I guess, what would you say, a quixotic individual and some of his stuff that he did in Miami was embraced. and they loved it, but, you know, he talked to the Bill's players. They absolutely hated him. The stuff he would do after the whistle, he would agitate. He was like a, you know, a Bill Ambier type if you're on the Pistons. But if you were on another team, you couldn't stand this guy.

Well, he gets to the Raiders last year, and the hope was, you got him on the inside. You got Crosby. You got the seventh overall picked Tyree Jacks from a couple years ago. I'm like, we're going to be a front seven team. Gets hurt and misses most of the year. And then a whole new brass comes in. And some of the stuff that he was doing maybe wasn't embraced as much from the teammates here in Vegas as it was in Miami. And then, of course, when you've got a new GM and John SpyTech who comes in from Tampa and a new head coach in P. Carroll, like, we're telling you to get surgery.

You're not getting surgery. We're going to move on. Now, to your point, he's got a legitimate case with the PA. Hey, like, this is my body. I don't have to get surgery because the team tells me. He's going to have a voice in this. But with the PA being in the current state that they're in, that might be on hold as well. So he's no longer a raider.

I'm not sure if he's going to get that money. I would imagine he's got a good strong chance to appeal that and we'll probably see some of that money based on the way this went down. But I think it's more of the latter stuff that Adam was referring to than the kisses on the forehead. Okay, got it. Pete Carroll talked to his shit a little bit last week.

He's like, hey, I win, man. I don't know what to tell you. Just look it up. And Gino does too at this stage. I believe in the Raiders. And Max Crosby, I always going to believe that Max can be able to get the job done. Maybe this chapter, this era of the Raiders,

Takes them back to the Raiders. We shall see. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, what about the dolphins? Christian Wilkins' old team made me think about it. I'm watching some clips online, obviously, if they're training camp. They got a little bit of a scuffle I saw, so it's good to see some life out of the boys. What are your expectations of the dolphins?

We see this here on the screen, obviously, them getting a little bit of, you know, this is nothing serious. But what do you think about this team? I feel like this could be a make-or-break year for multiple players and coaches on that staff. Oh, I think I think that's how everyone sees this outside of that building. And what's interesting is Tyree Kill in Week 18 had some crazy comments about how he doesn't want to be there anymore and he wants to be traded. And everyone was like, whoa. Well, then you have a whole offseason. He kind of talks it back, talks it back.

In Tua's first press conference, he's like, there's still wounds that are open here. Like, we're still trying to figure that out and him saying that. And to me, you start off the training camp, 99% of these courts be like, oh, we're, good. We talked about it. That was last year. We're starting to do. Tua was either very candid, very vulnerable, or maybe saying something that I would personally, if I'm a coach or a GM, like,

let's not start off on that foot and say that we're still not 100% where we want to be. So an interesting way to start it, but Tua has been very vocal in press conferences the last couple years and there's been some real transitions. I think Taryn Armstrongstead being a starting left tackle and announcing, you know,

he's no longer there as, you know, as recently as less than a month ago, is major, major deal. You're asking a team that is built on speed and is built on, you know, getting a cushion in September and October before we get to those cold weather games that they get those wins. You're asking that team to pick it up right away with a lot of new people. But on the defensive side of the ball, Chubb, Phillips, two huge names that have not been available at the same time on the field. I think those are going to be enormous players in this thing. But I think you ask around the league, the dolphins are the one team that people are like, you know what? I got my

hands, I don't know. Is Tiraigua great? I don't know. Is Tyreek going to come back to what he used to be? I don't know. And is Mike McDaniel still going to be able to motivate these guys? Or is that ship sailed? I don't know. So one of the great variable teams as we enter this season, AJ. And two years ago, they put up 70 points against the Broncos. And we were like, they're reinventing the offense. Yeah. And the Steelers said, we'll take both your pro bowlers. You know, So that is an interesting dynamic for the Dolphins fans in the room. One of the Dolphins fans obviously played professionally, so he was able to pick up a couple other teams to become a fan of.

And then post his playing career, just picked up another team to be a fan of as well. They just won a Super Bowl, which is good play. Yeah, well, I'm not going to let your shitty franchise control my emotions throughout the whole. Especially if other teams have paid you to be a fan of them in the past. If you pick up a couple teams, you might as well pick up a few others, especially if they're going to win. Let's talk to a guy who's die hard with the Dolphins since he was a child. Schrager said around a league, their hands up. We have no idea with this team.

Got the Coates first week, brother. Is this thing over before week two even get started for you guys? I like getting Minka back. I can't express how much. I love that. Jack Jones, Mike Hilton, huge signings. I wasn't in, but I said on Friday, you give me two veteran cornerbacks, I'm back in. Before noon on Saturday.

Look at us. Here we go, Finns. Week one, though, problematic. I don't know. That turf, that corn husk, they can run fast on that cornhouse now. Yeah, he's going to be down there at Loudhouse, Lucasville State, and taking on the Indianapolis Colts, which we know nothing about either. We hope they're great.

Believe ours. We are believe ours. We are believe ours. We saw a guy who looked incredibly handsome out at the ESPs. Ty is a question for you. Yeah, Shrakes, one of the big things a lot of people are talking about right now is Stafford and his health. Obviously, given your relationship with McVeigh, I'm sure you heard the comments. but for everyone who hasn't heard those comments,

this is what McVeigh had to say about Stafford. Okay. A little update on Matthew. He's doing really well. You know, we've got a good plan in place. We are going to still take some more time with him, though. Nothing that's changed in terms of the setback. I probably spoke a little bit too soon,

but the ultimate goal is Houston and being mindful of that. So we'll take it a week at a time with him. So I did want to be able to, you know, let you guys know about that based on sitting down with Reggie and with Matthew. and talking with Dr. Watkins, feel like that's the smart thing to do, you know, a week at a time with him.

So, Shreggs, I know you aren't flying coach with McVe anymore per se, but what... Great show. Yeah, great show. Unbelievable. Would love to see that comeback. Rest and peace, you know. What is the level of concern here with Stafford? Obviously, everyone knows how tough he is,

but he is getting up there. Like, if you're McVeigh or if you're a Rams fan, what do you think the level of concern with Stafford's health is going forward? I have to be careful here because I'm not there every day, but I don't think there is a great level of concern as far as Matthew being ready for week one, ready to go. You know, they don't play preseason anyway, these starters on the Rams.

That's always been McVeigh's mantra, and I think they're just being ultra, ultra cautious. Anything you have a back tightness or a back soreness, but the feeling I get speaking to people in that building, and it's not just Sean, it's others, is that Matthew's going to be ready for week one and all of their doctors and medical personnel are confident that he will be ready.

And I'll tell you, this is a team that is built to win now, is a team that is thinking they can win now. They can take the whole thing. And their backup quarterback is Jimmy Garoppolo. So God forbid it, you know, and I'm knocking on wood here. Jimmy Garoppelow can run an offense if they needed a week here, week there, but there is no intention for Jimmy to be the starter to start this thing. Debut, sorry, Shrain.

You're an Emmy Award winner, a great host, everything you do. Are we going to have a Jimmy talking? Well, people should not be laughing during your statements. Would you like to? No, when he said Jimmy, I just flash back to Jimmy Devon. And there are teammates in a different place now, but I just, you know. Yeah, there was a lot in that wide receiver show. Yeah.

About how it was going over there. And then now Jimmy's playing. But that's with McVeigh. Stragg's is too close to McVeigh. He's holding the car's too tight. He knows that boy Stetson is going to race. That's him done it, huh? Who there?

You know. He's back. It's not still there. I mean, you know, he's there and he's gone. He lives. That's a Benet lives his own damn line. He doesn't. And we respect the shit out of him.

But Matthew Stafford back by seasons, what everybody's saying. And we saw him at the ESBs. Didn't feel like it was a... No. Zero panic. I understand in, you know, you look at a headline. You're like, oh, wow, but like zero panic there.

And it doesn't move the needle as much as say he'll be fine, but he'll be fine. Okay. Puka, I saw him at the ESPs as well. Good vibes. Great. He's a raw. Heart is rock That is unbelievable

He had a suit on That was tailored obviously And he looks like he's Batman with the cape on Like the way he is He's a monster Dap up Hug I give him the Bill Polly and slap

You know Bill Polly You know Bill Polly used to do this To people First day back Hey how you doing Come in for a hug Great to see God's great to see

And it's a full pat down Just to feel How you do it Okay And I didn't realize that Until I came back Really fat one time And he was hitting all of them

Bang in the back and the other one I'm like oh this guy's patting me down right now just to see if I'm in shape or not it's actually not a bad play not a bad play so with puka we do the hand slap then I go in for the hug as I do the hug I realize holy shit this guy is gigantic and then I hit him in his back and it was literally like slap my hands I'm like Jesus Christ puka is absolutely stacked that team almost had Philly yeah now granted almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost almost because Aaron Donald retires. Who knows what this team is going to be? I have to start over, basically, with Matthew Stafford. Now, they move on from Cooper Cup and everything like that, and that's going to be a storyline. Haven't heard anything about him back at Seattle.

No. But maybe we will continue to hear as camp rolls on. But it was like, I don't think anybody was expecting the Rams to be what they were last year. No. Watching them do what they did, though, fun team to watch. In McVeigh's offense, especially if Stafford's spinning it,

always going to be efficient. Yeah, one of the games of the year was Bill's Rams. You remember that game where it was basically no. It was all points. I don't know. I don't think there were any punts. And then a guy that we all really loved coming out was Blake Corum. They didn't even use Blake Corum last year. Running back, dog. Yeah, they're kind of, they're sneaky. They won that game. They won that game on that Sunday. Then the very following week, I believe, was Sunday night and the Eagles just absolutely trashed them

at home. And it was like, all right, how do we rebound from this? And then they had a lion's game. And you look at what happens in the playoffs and that is what is lingering with them and mcvay tasted it he thought you get one more possession like one more play like this this could happen they were so close and they think they got significantly better this off season well they love they love the tight end out of oregon they love what they got out of devante adam so far he's been unbelievable like i hate to do this because it's so soon in training camp we'll like to see training camp play out but two big storylines for me are the rams and whether they can get

get even better. And then the 49ers, if they can resurrect after what was a completely, completely forgettable season last year, which they would like to put way back. And they, instead of saying, let's tear it down and try it again, they brought back Kittle, they brought youth to check back. They went and they signed Purdy. Like, these were the two teams of the NFC West for the last decade. And both of them think they're back and better than they've been. I'm fascinated to see how it plays out with those two teams who, one of them surprised them folks, the other one's really disappointed. No chatter about the Niners at all.

No. None. I don't think there's been any chatter at all. I don't think I've seen one Brock Purdy pass on the internet. He's had a baby. Congratulations, yeah. Your old dad. I haven't seen any. I'm gonna, nine or stuff? I haven't seen a single thing. It's probably good though, given what

we've seen the last couple years. As long as we don't hear Christian McCaffrey's name and Achilles next to a time. Yeah, but we were too early. I mean, that was. Four days before. Yeah, that was crazy. I'm excited to watch these teams be back as well. And congrats to the West Coast doing its thing.

There's a team going all in, though, in the Steel City. We'll be there on Wednesday live from St. Vincent College. Come see us. Go ahead, Dee Byrd. Yes, we will be boots on the ground in La Troke. Cannot wait. I actually saw some comments from your old co-host, Kyle Brantley. He sat down with Aaron Rogers.

Had a great, great answer on the Terry Bradshaw thing and also spending time with his teammates. What are you hearing early on? with our Aaron and his new squad and how things are going. That it's going awesome and that this is what they envisioned and they were okay waiting months and months and months while the rest of us were getting impatient, they were not. And Mike Tomlin never pressured him.

Mike Tomlin never told him, we need an answer by here, now, or when. And when Rogers was ready, he showed up and he has been what they had hoped, a veteran presence who is lifting everyone and galvanizing everyone. I've taken a lot of heat already this summer. I've been at ESPN for about three months, and I've been leading this bandwagon of just watch out for the Steelers. They didn't do all these moves to finish 10 and 7

and miss, you know, the divisional round again. They believe they're a Super Bowl contender. And Omar Khan said it on the record earlier last week, and you look at the moves they're making. And when you've got Rogers for what they're looking at at 42 years old, coming off, you know, two years off in Achilles, and then D.K., paying him what they're paying him. And then the Ramsey move, which I know you like Minka Fitzpatrick,

But if you're going to pay a corner, you know, that money, you're paying a corner that money. You're not paying a safety that money. It was almost like they saw this vision of Jalen Ramsey bringing it the same way they see Rogers bringing it, saying, hey, my career is not done. This door is not closed. I'm high on Pittsburgh. I'm curious to see what you guys think when you get there in the trobe. But everyone I've spoken to in the organization is like, this is not a half measure. And as much as you on the TV want to talk about the Ravens, the Chiefs, and the Bills,

We want to be in that conversation, too, and we belong in that conversation. Yeah, it's tough. The AFC North, obviously. That's going to be a tough kitchen to get out of. It is always hot. Aaron Rogers is spinning it. Every video I see. I assume Arthur Smith is jacked up.

They released Cordero Patterson earlier today. I know Arthur Smith probably had to hate that. Obviously, the game hates that as a whole. Such a unique talent, Cordero Patterson. I remember when he was just a kickoff, Returner, Absolute Beast. Then he goes wide receiver. Then he goes running back. And he goes tight end.

And I think they played him on defense. a little bit special teams. I mean, he was an absolute monster. I'm excited to watch the Pittsburgh Steelers live in person. We'll have Omar Khan with us on Wednesday in the one o'clock hour. And here is what training camp looks like outside of La Trobe. This is like a pilgrimage that every person in western Pennsylvania feels obligated to take at least once in their life as a child or at least once as a family. This is for training camp. And, you know, a lot of people talk shit about training camp practices and the intensity of it and everything like that. A lot of these people would never be able to get the opportunity

to get Pittsburgh Steelers tickets because season ticket wait lists, I think, for the Pittsburgh Steelers is like 30, 40 years or something like that. The ticket prices are insane, especially this year with how all the games are going to be. So you've got a lot of people in Western Pennsylvania are like, let's go see these Steelers, build the team that they're going to build.

Plus you get some interactions, plus you get a chance to see it all. It's a cool thing up there in St. Vincent. Growing up, growing up, I used to head up with, family, we go to Albany, we'd see Ike Hilliard and the Giants, like that was a real thing. Like when you, like in August

when you get a chance to get out there and you're going with family and friends and whether it was the Jets in Cortland or at Hofstra or the Giants up in Albany, like it was a real cool experience as a kid. And I think some of these teams, the Steelers for sure, the bills still do it, the Chiefs still do it. When you

get out of the facility and you go to these college campuses, there is something special. I'm happy that Hard Knocks is covering the bills this year. because I truly think it's a really sensational thing that they do when they get into these campus in these small college environments. It's almost like real camp. And you come out of this thing, galvanized, ready to go, of course.

But for the fans who don't get the chance to go to a game on Sundays and who usually are relegated to dealing with it on their couch, it's awesome to see these players up close and up front. And I think La Trobe does a fantastic job with it. Getting away, eliminating all distractions, I think is great. And, you know, we're talking about Bertie just having a baby or whatever. I know a lot of guys that had a couple kids that didn't mind having to go to training camp. How long we're here for?

17 days? All right. Off days, too? Yeah, 19 in total. Oh, I think, yeah. Okay, we're going to use those. Can I make one more note, though, on the point you guys are making beforehand about the popularity of, like, stats and what JJ was saying? Again, I was playing with NFL network, but we used to get, like, research from Brian Rolap, who was the head guy, he's now at the PGA.

Congrats to him. And Rolap, and I would say, you know, gosh, like, we're doing good morning football. hours on August 2nd, like, I mean, we're doing full shows. We're traveling everywhere. Like, do we want to save some of our efforts to the regular season or maybe spend some of that money and do it, you know, around the playoffs? The NFL network's highest rated month year after year after year was August. Not February, not January, not December, and August because of the optimism, because of the excitement, because of the inside training camp footage you'd get, and because of fantasy football. So all those things, it all adds

up to why we're so excited to what Darius was saying, like, we're getting a stat and you don't, you know we should resist it. But when you see a like a sick catch or you see a sick player or an Odell Beckham style, like, it's hard not to get excited because we're so starved for it. August is the time where all 32 teams and their fan bases think that this might be the year. There's a chance. This might be the year. Hey, literally, every team thinks that at this point because there has been showcases in the past of teams maybe brand new coach, brand new players, same players new vibes new year you go from the absolute outhouse to a penthouse maybe the panthers you never know maybe the panthers are the team that aren't fully shite this year team max making an

insane catch i don't know if you saw this in uh one-on-ones down the right side remember this dude was like one of the top high school volleyball players coming out of high school i think that helps with his ball tracking what he did in arizona was absurd and yes this was glue this was glue coverage and TMAX catch radius is absurd and his ability to make contested catches is what everybody had been talking about with him. We talk about the red line all the time in practice and you throw that clip back up

that you want the quarterbacks want that route receiver to stay on that red line so they can throw him outside and make him up because like AJ said great coverage but once you throw outside and you got a big frame guy like that DB really has no chance outside of taking him to the ground and try to punch it out that way. What if the Panthers aren't shy?

That could be cool. will be good for the entire city down there, but definitely Tepper, who has certainly put himself into a lot of jackpots. On that note, Tone has a question for you. Yeah, Shragues, I do. You talked about, you know, the Rams and the Niners being the biggest storylines

that you're looking forward to. Have you heard anything or talked to anybody yet that's kind of surprised you or interested you about a player or team early on in training camp? Yeah, I mean, there's two players, and one of them is close to me. One of them is close to someone in that room right, there that we could talk about.

One is Malik Neighbors is absolutely tearing up Giants camp, and Russell Wilson's been the one who's been throwing him the rock for a lot of these. Apparently, Neighbors looks like he's way better than even last year, dialed in, and every single day has just been unguardable. The other quarterback and the other player that I think someone in that room is going to be happy to hear. I hear Drake May is just absolutely wonderful so far also. Again, it's early. These might not be surprises, but when you get year two leaps,

it means they spent the offseason working and this is the Pop Douglas here I'm telling you the juice out of Patriots camp right now about Drake May is very real and they'll bring it down because it's back to that old school style it's Vrable it's McDaniels it's a lot of those guys and they're not going to pump up their quarterback

but Drake May came ready to play Drake May came ready to work and I would just say don't be shocked if we see a year two giant leap from Drake May favorite and what 11 games 11 games yeah I mean The sports books think that they're going to be good, too. And Vrable just wins.

That's why whenever he was released or fired from the Titans, we're all surprised. Him going back to New England, storybook shit up there. It really is. Actually, genuinely, as he goes into the Ring of Honor, and he's one of the most beloved Patriots of all time. When you talk about the history of the Patriots and where they were and what has happened these last five years, when you think about what they were,

Mike Vrable is one of the first five guys that pops into your head. Look at those calves, AJ. The guy's still working? It's a sneaky hymn boat stuff this morning or two. What was that? Yeah. Defense player with the most touchdowns, I believe. Receiving touchdowns.

Yeah, I thought. Because the fridge, I think, had a few there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this was most receiving touchdowns. Maas got it right. That'll probably get broken this year, though, because allegedly Bubby Spillane's, he's not coming off the field. Well, Travis Hunter.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So it's going to be Travis Hunter and Bob Spillane kind of going on. Oh, Melton! Yeah. Yeah, maybe Beau Melton. Let's talk about Travis Hunter. How many practice reps did he have there?

70-something? Yeah, there again. 83 snaps, 36 on offense, 47 on defense. And then there's the highlight of him just smoothly breaking, just so naturally explosive and his spatial awareness insane. I was able to get around the potential screen there to break it up, and then obviously celebrates. It looks very easy, effortless with everything he does.

Liam Cohen, obviously, he's been brought in. there to make this offense go and Trevor Lawrence do his thing. Stoner, after drafting Travis Hunter and training up at two to get him, cut a promo that was like, this is what football is. Football is testing the boundaries. Football is not getting boxed in. Football is about changing the game forever. Football is about Travis Hunter. Like he gave this entire speech basically about, hey, we are here, we are real. And the reason is because of this guy. Now you got people on the defensive side of the ball that are NFL legends that are like, hey, This guy is a corner, no questions else.

Then he got other people with like, can we put a package in for him on offense full-time? I think there's people that certainly believe that. Travis Hunter, obviously, is a name that is going to be synonymous with electricity forever. How does Jacksonville view him at this moment? And I think we all love that he's getting work on both sides here. They're seemingly giving him a real chance at this. Yeah, they're giving him a real chance. And it hasn't been done.

We saw Champ Bailey do it a little bit. We saw Charles Woodson do it a little bit. Of course, Dion a little bit. Roy Green, 1981, St. Louis Cardinals, I believe, was the last wide receiver defensive back to play really that many significant snaps on both sides. They look at this guy as a number two overall pick that they traded next year's number one to move up to get because they think he's a franchise changer. And for Gladstone, who's 34 years old, and for Liam, who's 39 years old, and for Grant Udinski, the offensive coordinator who's 28 years old, this is a young group who just got the keys to the castle

and they're like, hell, why not? Why not? Let's try it. Travis Hunter's been awesome. They love what they've gotten out of him. The question is, the 18-week season, how are they going to be able to manage his snaps and not burn him out too soon? But in August, everything is the sky is the limit. And they're talking as if this guy was worth everything they gave up to get him. I think we've got to be very thankful that his college coach believed in him to play both positions as well. Most places would have said, buddy, you're too good of a lockdown, you're too good of a wide receiver. You can only do one. Coach Prime, had a plan for him, literally since high school, and it feels like it's going to work out.

On that note, there was some breaking news from a press conference this hour. Dion Sanders and a medical team from the University of Colorado came out and revealed information that he had a cancerous tumor on his bladder. They've had surgery, and he said he is now cancer-free, but obviously he released a video yesterday, kind of talking a little bit about his situation where he said he had to put a will together. He also came out and said that he did not tell his boys about this diagnosis. Just said it was something

with his foot, which he has already had surgery on and had blood clots. So we would like to let Coach Prime know that we appreciate the hell out of him leaving his stuff out of his boy's life. That is a very admirable and heroic thing to do, especially in such an important time of their life while battling his inner demons and

also our inner cancer and inner problems. And we would like to let him know, hey, hell yeah, Prime. Way to beat that shit. Did you, Coach. Way to be, yeah. Hell yeah, we need them. That was very serious, though. That's very serious. And obviously the bladder, anytime any of your internal organs catch it, cancer is something that can grow and spread. He said if you didn't get it checked, it would have never been this situation. Got it early, fined, obviously had surgery. He's going to be back. We're, uh, congrats, coach. We love you, man. Important to get those, you know, those checkups, especially, you know, as men. That's what he also said at the end of that message. Everybody go get checked. So he has the platform.

for him and not only does he share his story but he encourages everyone to go get checked which is gosh what a message i was watching them down there in texas all off season and it didn't feel it felt different right then it feel like there was a little bit of different but we didn't really know what was going on like obviously his kids are gone from colorado so is he done with colorado or what's going on here everything was kind of quiet didn't hear a lot of chatter about it all they go through their spring he's kind of away still away uh so to hear this diagnosis and hear that he'd beat it? Hell yeah, Coach Prime. What a perspective putter, you know? What a perspective footer for all of us, just thinking about Coach Prime, who seems invincible, AJ, and then his foot

happens, his blood clot happens. You're talking about greatest athlete Mount Rushmore of all time having this take place. It's a nice learning lesson for all of us, AJ. Yeah, it is. Hey, I had a hamster growing up named Dion. Dion played for Cincinnati Reds. My baseball team. Like, I've been on Dion from when I can remember, like, being on this earth. So, yeah, like, the guy is, and especially now you hear, like, the dude truly is. is a positive influence on everyone around him. It's pretty awesome what he's done. Well, if you look good, you feel good.

You feel good, you play good. You play good, they pay good. They pay good, you live good, you live good, you die good. That's all we're trying to do out here. Coach Prime, we're happy, you're still with us, brother. And way to beat that ass of the bladder cancer. That's scary. That'd be a scary diagnosis.

Oh, yeah. That's a scary thing. Even like, and I want to say even, because it's very serious, people get like skin cancer diagnose. Anytime you hear the sea, it's like, all right, we've got a fight here. Ladder, scary, happy, he is okay. All right, on that note,

Happy was a big name around the internet this weekend. Connor has a question for you, Peter. Yeah, Peter, I could kind of tell when you first popped onto the screen. You had a little pep in your step. You're a little happier. I assume it is because, you know, the Sandman did it again.

Newest Best Picture nominee, Happy Gilmore 2 was released this weekend. All the boys were in it. I mean, Kels, the golfers, Willie. I mean, shoot, Marshall was in there. What did you think of Happy Gilmore, too? Did you also think it was a home run just like everybody here at the Thunderdome did? And, you know, I just also like to take this time to say thank you to Adam Sandler for continuing to fill our lives with unbelievable movies.

That's right, Adam. Hey, Sam, man. Thank you for the content. Love you, Sam, Sam, Matt. What you take, Triggs? I have not seen it. Oh, Drake. You son of a bitch.

Was watching the two-part Billy Joel documentary that has me up and down. It's really good. Unbelievable, guys. I mean, I'm talking about it. You ought to talk about for six hours of your life to just be glued to the television. Six. He's got four ex-wives, actually three ex-wives and a current wife, all on camera talking about him and doing so in a loving way. I'm like, this man has lived a life, 76 years old.

So the same man. Pat, let me tell you about this, about Billy Joel. before we get to tapping him or we won't even get to because I didn't see it. Billy Joel Billy Joel okay

one of the great songwriters of all time musicians, whatever he his wife was his manager they get divorced his wife is no longer his manager

who does he hire he hires his ex-wife's brother to be his manager moving forward has about 10 number one hits he's touring the world he's married to Christy Brinkley life cannot go better

he looks at his bank account He has zero dollars. Why? Because Frank Weber, his ex-wife's brother, who was his manager, stole it all from underneath him. And then he has to come back. So he goes on a 10-year tour of traveling to Indonesia and to Russia just to make the money back. And then he comes out with We Didn't Start the Fire. It's the number one hit in the world.

And he takes it all back and he makes all the money back. Yeah. Some would say kind of a weird thing to hire your ex-wife's brother-in-law to do something so important and have access to all of your money. He may have been boozed up at the time. He was a pretty legendary booze hound. Yeah. Hey, he's just living too.

Yeah, exactly. I like that he had to build himself twice. A lot of talent there. He's piano, man, right? Yeah. What a song. Down Eastern Western Western Western. Always hits.

Davy. Yep. Still the Navy. And it probably will be for life. What a banger. Oh, yeah. Think about him performing that live in Indonesia. Yeah.

They're all doing it. I saw Ye. over in Korea. He's going to Russia to win 10 days. He needs the money. He has no money left. He had 20 number one hits head.

No money goes on the road and wins it and makes it all back. So Troy Aikman was posting about it from Instagram. I'm texting Troy. Boy and I both are like just locked in. I like you're texting Troy Aikman. Pretty cool there. That's awesome, especially all the fame week. That is a beautiful thing.

Yeah, I don't have to watch a six-hour documentary. I got it. Ruined it. Thanks. Yeah. Ex-wife's brother-in-law stole his money. Ex-wife has to speak positive because guess what? Yeah. Yeah. Jeez. Part of the thing. So Billy Joel, proud of you, buddy.

Love you, Bill. We'll go, Bill. Just like we love you, Shregs. We'll talk to you soon, man. Are you working this week, or you hosted for a few days? I'm not hosting any. I'm hosting all next week. Get up. So I can't wait for that. That'll be awesome. Oh, you. We're off.

Yeah. Ah. I'm telling you, we've used all of our, we're using all of our days. And I don't love it in now. Get it in now. These last four days have been awesome. I was going to say, I don't think you hate it. I've really enjoyed it.

I've really enjoyed hanging with baby girl. You know, because football season's crazy. Not that our job's a real job, okay, never would say that, but the timing that is, you know, away and on the run, lucky to do it, thankful to do it, get to do it, don't have to do it. But boy, getting a chance to hang with a little baby girl there. Yeah. You only get 18 summers, you know?

Yeah, exactly. She's already two. Right. We're kind of going through this type of thing. And think about what it's like on January 25th. Go to there mentally. So I get tweets from people that follow the show and they're, you know, they say we've changed. We have.

I'm a dad now. We all have kids. But with that being said, just know that football season, we got an awesome lineup coming. Yeah. Football season and we got it awesome. And these are all, all these days we're taking off for all days that we've just basically had forever. I see these tweets that like, he'll be like, oh, nine Sundays left to football and I get the

Sunday scaries because I appreciate the off season too my friend and you know we work we grind when the season starts but appreciate every day with the family in the off season I do well yeah we've been loving it we've been loving it over here having full like having your Saturday and Sunday oh but it is

nice it is very nice it's very nice also what's on TV tonight ah who cares yeah bingo it does not matter the best Billy Joel six hour documentary don't got to see let me tell you what happens you're the man we appreciate you Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Shranger. Yeah, it's great.

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Obviously, the MLB's happening. Can I see a game? Yeah, go see a game. What's going on, MLB? There's some magical stories happening, actually. Congrats to C-Ce-Sabatia and the boys. First Ball Hall of Fame. Happy for him. It feels like baseball is in the middle of a great time. A lot of positive shit going on with the MLB. Go see a game. 30 bucks off P-A-T with our friends at Sea Geek, but congrats to baseball. Yeah, without a doubt, C-C going in was really sweet, especially as a Yankee fan. His speech was awesome, thanking his mom and his daughters and his wife, et cetera, et cetera. He's one of like the last guys.

I know Hembo put out a stat about, I mean, he's like one of the last true workhors. They don't let pitchers really throw the amount of innings like he does, or he did, I should say. 2008, you know, he got traded to the Brewers midway point. It was like a walk year. It was a contract year. He was definitely not going to stay with the Brewers. but he played with them for half a season, started 17 games. He threw seven complete games in those 17 games.

These are his last three starts. He basically put the Brewers on his back to get him into the playoffs. Look at the amount of pitches he's throwing there and the amount of innings. Like that kind of stuff doesn't happen anymore, all on three days rest, too. Like, C.C. was just, he was a goat. He was a goat. And the other big story right now, Cal Raleigh has kind of the big dumpers. The big dumpers continue to dump on people.

will. You look at all of like the historically what he's doing as a catcher. The, uh, the record for most homers in a year for a catcher is 48. He could, he could just be terrible for the rest of the season and he should eclipse that. As of right now, he is on pace to pass Aaron Judges, 62 homers, which would be the AL record. I don't know what year. Who's that? It's Johnny Bench catcher. Yeah, Johnny bench who, what happened? Johnny Bench is probably one of AJ's goats. Jason Kendall. What age don't count, Jason Kendall? Nobody can touch Johnny Bench.

Oh, Benito Santiago, he was a very good catch. Oh, Jason fucking Kendall can catch any catcher that he's really good. If we're talking defensive metrics, pop time, et cetera, et cetera, throwing guys out at second base, Jason? Jason Kendall is going to be right. Okay, Paul. Yeah, yeah. Benito invented throwing people out from your knees, so let's slow down on that.

That is true. Benito Santiago also a big snap back behind, you know, throwing at the first base from Yeah, exactly. Picking guys off. Cal Raleigh, though, has had, his July has been terrible. He's about 176. He's still hitting the homers, but even with that, he's still on pace to break the AL home run record. And yes, he did pass Judge in the American League MVP odds.

Judge has a flexor strain in his elbow. They thought he might have had like a full UCL tear, which would have been Tommy John. He would have been screwed. So he's going to be on the 10-day I.L. He said, hey, listen, if I can hit, I still want to be out there. But obviously, if he's out, the Yankees are fucked. Congrats to baseball still being awesome. We appreciate the hell out of them.

We will certainly continue to follow along with the season. Congrats to the Fat Assess in Sports. Kyle Raleigh, continuing to do historic things. Golf happened. Bubba Watson, obviously. Go, go. Go, go. He drives off the deck on 10 and 13.

He comes in second. What's that, buddy? Kurt Kidi Amel won the PGA. The 3M Open on PGA Tour. Okay, I know that guy exists for sure. Got a 60 on Saturday. Love the way he golfs. I met a guy that saw a 60 twice named Stick.

Okay. Friends of Morgan. Guys, unbelievable golfer. Probably the best golfer I've ever golf with. Well, that change is Liv comes here to Indianapolis in a few weeks. Maybe. Shout to Liv. Shout to PGA.

Shout to baseball. Shout to football. Being all the way back. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. We'll be back tomorrow if you'll have us. Wednesday, we'll be in St. Vincent College. And then the Hall of Fame. We'll be back tomorrow.

be a friend tell friends something nice might change their life goodbye I want to call St. Vincent University it's St. Vincent College

Yeah really and I guess Tern's dad was in town this weekend he was just so many hard latroes

oh don't Laitrobe all week unironically that's just who he is how he talked you guys got any good early

latrobe memories the bus picked you up Rob Woodson so I asked my I thought I saw a photo of me as a little boy I had white hair.

My brother had white hair. And I think my dad took us up there. And I think KG. I think, uh, I think, I think, Kevin Green. I think so. Yeah, I think, I think Kevin Green was very affable with all the fans and going around with them. I looked, I asked my mom to look for the photo.

Couldn't find it. But I do remember, in my head, I remember being there. And, uh, I think the big thing is Steelers have always had just like, I don't want to say local legends because obviously they're in the NFL now. So the entire country knows them. but like Steelers players are revered by Pittsburgh people in such high, all the time, like all of the players. Forever.

So there's been so many legends of the Steelers and it's like training camp was the only time that you could really get up and like see them and meet them and take pictures. Now obviously it was social media and podcasts and everything you see, there's so much more access to people. But if Fedco wasn't talking to him, okay, I ain't no shit about it.

So like the things that were coming out of training camp and the pictures and people, it's like, It's cool. It's one of those things that's like very much a pillar of Western Pennsylvania is the Pittsburgh Steelers training camp. And I assume there's other places that are like that as well. Obviously the Packers have great history with the bikes and everything like that. You can talk about the old school teams, which the Pittsburgh Steelers definitely are. But it is very much like a, like a hey, this is a part of our fabric, the training camp as a whole. And I think people appreciate it because Pittsburgh is a working pot and training camp is literally work.

So it's like a It's really just like a perfect Collision of everything that is the city Which is why it's going to be so cool to be able to go there I guess there's a little bit of a buzz of us going there But even if we weren't going There would be a fucking buzz Oh yeah

They're saying it's the most Sorry go ahead No those are insane But I feel like Pittsburgh probably has the most Like players who used to play there Who then stay and live in Pitt College Yeah raised their families

Yeah like a college team And training camp is just like always at the same place I remember Casey fucking Hampton walking into these St. Vincent College dorms with a pillow and a bed and they're like how you doing this year Casey's like I'll lose weight for probably next two weeks

but it was like the same exact dorms same exact it's like just you know it's just tradition it is like a college like the Pittsburgh Steelers are run like a university because there's so much you know kind of stay with the entire franchise yeah and I'm not I'm not sure how it is for every other program but I

saw like last week Kiesel was there Troy Palma was there. Ike Taylor was there. Joey Porter Sr. was there. Casey, like, they all roll through every training camp, but I don't know how rare. That is not like, that is not normal, I don't think. Other teams definitely have people that stop by,

but the Steelers, it seems like every year they have tons of their old legends coming back. The blitzes. Go ahead. Tom, that's what I say. Go ahead. The blitzes. They keep the names, right? Isn't that the thing? Yeah, Tom Dogg Blitzers. There's a couple other blitzers that they keep the same. So when the boys come back, they can actually just go stand

in seven on seven. other than understand what's happening. Like those are the finer details that like, you know, hey, let's make this a real. It's awesome. Imagine being a player. Imagine being, no matter what,

if you're a rookie, young kid or even a vet on the team, having these dudes that you grew up watching. Like, and they're like, hey, man, when you're, when you're about to blitz on that one,

they know what you're running. Hey, don't show it. I saw you peek it up. You know, you have to wait in the front of your feet. You're leaning a little bit, the quarterback. So, like, imagine getting tips like that in a training camp practice.

Like, okay, thanks, Troy, Paul, Malo. That feels good. I guess Troy's boys were ballboying, you know, which is like so much a part of like, that is just even more feeds at all. But him just like just hanging out back there, I mean, he's forgotten more about football than all those fucks. That's so good. On every field.

And it's like, hey, can you get Jesus to tell me what's going to happen? Because it feels like that was kind of your thing. I think Troy could probably go out. I think he could probably make Pro Bowl this year if he wanted to. just because he would know exactly how do you always know Donbacker How do he always know

He always knew His instincts were I mean Film, top top top Tee Yeah film for sure But I feel like his Like feel for the game

Sometimes you get like him Ed Reed Charles Woodson Honey Badger Like some of those guys Just had a different feel for the game Like almost like

Yeah the football gods Are on their side Like the ball Find them all the time They always have an instinct of something like you talk about that fake you know the fake kick like just something off that he may have felt that he saw man but those guys were special and Troy was one of one for sure I saw you I saw him jogging on the field with a little bit more

yeah that's what he said yeah I gave it away no way I mean this is me probably Vinnie had a little pep in your step he could he could tell us not scored touchdown in Pittsburgh yeah it was probably pretty jacked up Brandon ear to ear Troy's he's you we're doing it I did not do that. Doing high knees before you get in there. Practice it with the ball. Were you going to run it in?

Yeah, walk it in actually. The way it was... Well, what if he would have, what if he would have, like, mess with you even more? And he lets you keep it on because he knew he's like,

I am going to kill this guy. Earhole. Because the way that was supposed to be set up, you've seen it. The fake has been run so many times. Literally, the holder just gets up and can just kind of walk right in. Because they overload on one side.

All you need is your guard to pull, standard stuff and it should just be you should be able to get a freight train through there there should be no problem if you can get up that is all we need you to do here catch the ball get up

and walk to paint that is literally what it was congratulations you're scoring a touchdown thank God this is what a fucking I gotta dance too I'm gonna do my shit

when I get in there in Pittsburgh are you gonna dump the ball out are you gonna poop the ball out no I was gonna dunk it okay first of all Definitely going to do that. Okay, Vinny.

Got to kick a 45-yard extra point. And then I was probably going to do the disappearing act, you know, with the handkerchief. Oh, yeah, your magic. Damn, that would have been a good. Oh, my God. It would have been a full key and peelskin. We're dunking that thing. Don't touch me.

Yeah. You know, make that shit disappear. Refers the flag. I picked that fucker up, obviously. Start putting that thing in it. If you have it on you? Yeah. I had shit on me.

Yeah, like Oakland. We played Oakland Christmas Eve. We were supposed to call a fake. I got tackled by Darren. I think Darren Bates, I think killed me. I was supposed to score a touchdown there. I had to fucking thumb. Had the handkerchief in my hand thing.

I was right. I was pulling that fucker out. We're doing it. I was prepared. That's so awesome. Be prepared when you get in there. Yeah, $100,000 fine fucking Vinny, you're going to have to kick a 50 out of X point, okay?

I don't know. Act like you've been there before. I haven't and I never will again after this. Christmas Eve too. Oh, hell yeah. Black hole. Instead, they ruled a fumble even though I was done for sure. And fucking six guys on top of me. Fucking Jesus.

This is not how this was supposed to go. Guy had to pull. It was supposed to be on one side because guard was going to pull. It was supposed to be on one hash. I forget. Maybe the right hash. Inside red zone. We're on left hash at like 35. Fuck it. Need to run it. It's like, well, the guard pulling now is a E-lineman, not an offensive

guard. This guy's never pulled before. I call the play, he goes, this ain't what is we're doing it. I hit a guy with a fucking spin move. Do you see this? You ever seen this? I don't know, I'm sure I have, but I can't think of it. Right in the middle, I thought I had, boom, I hit him with one of those. I thought

I had a spin. Disocated kneecap, too, nobody's talking about it. But boom, hit him with a spin. He hits my one leg into my other leg. I get a bruise on this leg from me. This is fucking knee. This knee hits this leg. I just had a flashback this one.

Violet sport. Violet. Your one knee gives your other knee is a bruise. Boom, turn. Bang. Ow, down. Hit ground. Ball comes out.

Holy shit. Strum on pop of me. I'm done. I was down. I'm telling, I think it was hockey league. I'm telling him. I was fucking down. Because it doesn't matter, dude.

It's fourth down. Okay. Okay. Well, it goes on the goddamn. I won't lose a fumble. It's on the thing. If I was dying, I was done, look at it. That's a volleyball game.

Yeah, one knee and I got that game. Derek Carr, MVP season was into that game. Yeah, sure. He was. He was, you don't know, brother. Well, no, I do remember, but it's always fun going back. Derek Carl was won the MVP. Dude, that was December 24th.

I mean, that was late in the season. He was still. And then they lost to, like, Tom Savage and the Texas. Well, it's because his knee was twisted off like a chicken wing. It was nasty. I remember. He was the, he was. He was filthy.

I bet he looks back. Yeah, his career was kind of never the same after that. How could it be? Literally with what happened. I don't know. That was crazy. I saw a video of that old stadium. Candlestick?

No, that's San Francisco. What's the one? Coliseum. Played both of those. Got to play in Candlestick last year and in Coliseum last year. I mean, they're obviously dated. and shitty, but it's nice to know that, like, that's

folklore, like the candlestick one. Nostalgia, like, so much. You come out of a movie. It's like you're in NFL films, like Steve Sable was voicing it over. There was people sitting sideways. You remember that a candlestick? Like, you're sitting this way, and the field is this way because it was the whole, and you, like, walk in the thing. That was awesome. It was.

I was a Lambeau, kind of the same feeling like you feel like you're in the movie. Oakland, even Oakland, you know, they weren't, I mean, they were good that year, but like seeing the black hole and the fans there with all the shit on and I went there my best friend played there

for a while so I went there for a game as a fan I think they were playing the Chargers and boy that environment that was that was

some real shit boy Raiders fans always brought it yes they always brought yeah there's the play here's the play here's the play

here's the play up yeah we're on the left to be on the right guy pulls falls oh I got it's been moving back down I was down through you clearly saw it

clearly saw It's good, I mean good move And to his credit, good tackle Thank you, yeah, he read it He was not supposed to be there He knows that Run it, can you run it back? I thought you had it honestly

Now, gain of zero Yeah, I looked over I looked over I was staring Ray at him He'll get up Yeah, yeah, yeah, read them It's good move, okay Hey, you hot sauce

man, good tackle Down, I was Don! I was done! Clearly, don't know, let's see. Down, down, Okay, down. Okay, down. Your form was down.

Your form was down. Gain of zero. cool I was done no questions asked I remember it happening clear I thought I had thought I had him one they almost did yeah yeah but could you imagine I he there still go in that there's a hand warmer I got a hand warmer on it oh and then everybody's on top of your elbow they folded underneath your body probably and hockey's talking shit I mean it was a whole it was a whole situation bro it's not a big deal not that big of a deal bro if it's a phone or not you're like yes

yeah to me yeah my record i get it yeah imagine my head i thought i was gonna hit him one the fuck first of all not supposed to be there for sure okay fucking no problem me and you brother fucking NFL linebacker do you hit him with like a steel circle circle yeah circle look next time yeah he didn't all fall for it and he was dancing while the people were yeah yeah yeah yeah easy tackle he got don't don't fight for it well those days are behind you know learning moment and then for a you know kicker's punters like doesn't matter who recovers this sorry about it down bro yeah and you look down and you see the chains and you see you gain zero yours ah jesus that's tough stuff i was close i was in a ball in a pile had my hand on the ball

kick off against dallas uh guy brings it out fumbles somewhere in 2030 maybe 20 in between 20 and 30 i'm late to the pile i'm like oh fuck yeah get a chance to get you know i'm late to the pile I get two ball. Got it. I have right hand on ball. Huh? Football? Christian Wilkins?

Good question. What's everybody talking about? Louise. Yeah, have hand... You know, the people always say there's stuff going on under there. I know, yeah, yeah. I was on the outside. I was on the outside.

I was on the fringes out here. Hand in, though. Get two ball. Okay, no control over it or anything like that. But I'm like... Hold on. Is this... Is this where...

I think I beat the game here? And then all of a sudden, that shit, gets like very quickly and then I'm trapped under there again and then it's a whole scene that's yeah it's no worse feeling of fumbling oh like when that ball like especially you can get a pick you turn it back I think you beat go down first down team oh yeah the big guys the big guys de lineman get their hands on that ball and then they run 15 20 yards and then that ball just yeah yeah Chargers Falcons

First down then, bud Yeah, it happened this year where I think it was the Falcons They either got a pick or a fumble And the D-Lyman's return in the ball Oh, I'm going to score touch up Yeah, someone from the Chargers punches it out, they recover first down again.

Blindsided, always blindsided. Oh, speaking of. Go ahead. Oh, yeah, I saw it. You're talking about handkerchief and blindsided and pulling defensive lineman. Did you see a bull rip that guy's face open?

And on that note, we'll be back tomorrow. Did you see it? I did not see this. Yeah, this is what our algorithm's been doing. I reposted. You re-posed it. I hadn't seen his face. All right, come on.

Come on, you're a part of the problem. Somebody, I know somebody tweet, like, hey, this is like a D-Lyman and a trap block, you know, thing. And it was so accurate, I just reposted the lab facing in. Some of the comments, like, guys, this guy's face is hands. You should un-repost? Yeah, I did, I did. Yeah. That's what people are saying you.

He sent it to me, D-Butt? I got you. We need our algorithms not to do this stuff. Yeah, it was violent. He jumped in there. I do want to run with the Bulls at some point. That looked pretty sick. Did you see that...

Did you see Troy Paul Mollah? Yeah, I think Road Rules did it? Yeah, I believe they did. I did not see Troy Paul Mollah. Yeah, so after his face gets ripped off a guy wearing Troy Paul Mollah jersey comes in, carries... Fucking Pallano, he's, of course, going to save the day. I saw a Palomaloo Jersey at the Yankees' Phillies game over the weekend, too.

I don't think you did. You saw a Phillies... Yankees Philly? A couple, I think you saw a Phillies couple. We all did. They're having a good time out there. Now, I did see something in Ohio. Did you see?

In Ohio? Yeah, what I want to say is, thank God for fucking Kenny Wood. Okay? Oh, boy. Thank God for Kenny Wood. Could you imagine being a child in Ohio, more specifically, Sandusky, Ohio? You roll over there to Cedar Point.

You go on the Sirens Curse Coaster, because you're a kid and you're finally tall enough to ride. and what happens? Oh, you're stuck. Let the die. Now you're going to walk Donnie and die everything. Tiny stairs. There's like an 11-year-old walking down these steps.

Now granted, they had to sit there for like 15 minutes or whatever first, and there's somebody that's like strapped up to it completely up there. And I assume they're saying, hey, you're in a much safer position than I am. Everything's going to be okay. What we need you to do is get up. Oh, my goodness. Get to this tiny little set of stairs over here. Everybody needs to keep calm.

Hey, walk down 200 feet. There's no way. Be wary of the wind. It's a big gusty up here. Have you seen how this... Oh, that's why that tips over, right? When it actually works? Oh, my gosh, yes.

It gets to the top of this hill, okay? And then there's no track. The whole thing is. It tilts down 90 degrees and connects to a track, and then it goes. And it got stuck right before a connection? Oh, yeah. Oh, so it's basically hanging up over nothing. Yeah.

There's another video that I just sent to the Zee that shows it. I will say this. Shout out to Cedar Point. You have been a fantastic amusement park over the years. We appreciate you, obviously trying to upgrade your rides. But there's only one amusement park. Okay? In this great country, that doesn't start with Disney.

And that's fucking Kenny's. Boom. Kenny would. Never seen this again. That's how, that's, that track feels five degrees down and connects to another crowd. Insane. Okay, so there's nothing below you right now. This is the start?

No, this is where they got. stuck. But yeah, that's where they climb up to and then where they're sitting right there, levers down 90 degrees and connects to another track. I have been somebody that's been to Cedar Point before. Great place. Great place. It's awesome. Charges to the game, too. This is a part of doing the roller coaster thing.

But boy, when I saw this this weekend, I thought to myself, could you imagine being a 12-year-old on this? You'd be ruined forever. Never going to go to music park again. That's why I think Kenny wouldn't steal curtain for always showing up for me. In a potato batch doing its thing. Fucking great delivery. And a thunderbird and a race.

I mean, you can put the fucking swings on that thing with Kenney with us. Are we going before Trow? Yeah, Thunderbolt, you get it. It's like an hour away. So bird. I don't think we're going like Kenny. We're doing Wednesday.

Oh, man. That's interesting. I got to go to the bathroom. We'll be back tomorrow. Be your friend, tell him something nice to my change your life. We're in this thing together. Hope you all having as great of a summer as we are. We're trying to enjoy it.

We hope you are too. We'll see you tomorrow. Be a friend, tell a friend, something nice that might change your life. We're doing together. Team on me, team on three. One, two, three. Goodbye.

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