The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1387 -Buffalo Bills General Manager Brandon Beane, Peter Schrager, Neal Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

On today's show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys welcome 2x accomplished author, Tone Digs to discuss the 2025/26 College Football need to know gambler’s guide, and everything about the college football season. Joining the progrum is Buffalo Bills General Manager, Brandon Beane to discuss the new deal that he just got done with Running Back James Cook, getting over the hump in the AFC, what it’s been like having Hard Knocks around, why Josh Allen is perfect for Buffalo, an update on the stadium, and more. Next, Emmy winner, ESPN NFL Insider, analyst, and host Peter Schrager to chat about everything that’s been happening around the NFL as we have closing in on three weeks until the first NFL regular season game. Later, newly minted PGA Tour card holder, Neal Shipley joins the show so Pat can break the news that he has officially earned his PGA Tour card. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our Humble Abode, the Thunderdome, on this Arthur Tone Wednesday. August 13, 2025, this program begins now. Football! It's happening in just a matter of weeks, and obviously we have training camp and drama and contracts being signed to chit-chat about, and we'll certainly be doing that all day today. Peter Schreger will be joining us in his second hour. He obviously has been on every show. So we will try to continue that run that he has been on. And also, we need some answers from Shragues

because not only did yesterday's conversation get cut short while he was at Jets and Giants training camp because of maybe some throttling. Sure. Maybe some throttling going on. But he happens to be very close friends with a lot of people that are very close to a lot of the big stories that are happening right now.

Shreger might be the key to all the information we need as we look ahead, just three weeks and one day from now where the NFL season will officially kick off in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, as they celebrate the hell out of winning that Super Bowl. So Shrags will join us. Oh, yeah, the general manager for the Buffalo Bills. Brandon Bean will join us here in about 14 minutes or so,

fresh off of signing James Cook to a $30 million guaranteed deal, and also spending about one point-something billion dollars this offseason to retain his own guys. Brandon Bean has built a team from within, basically, has spent from within. And now we're getting a chance to see a team go all in in Buffalo while also watching hard docs and learning about their entire team being a bunch of dogs. I really enjoy

K.J. Hamler. Outside Jerry Jew, he's our favorite player. No doubt. Talked about that numerous times. Fashion. He's moxie. He's everything. We love Jerry Jew. This guy come close. He's really climbing a ladder quick. Each Hard Knocks episode, KJ. Hamler

only gets better, by the way. Now, we hope he has a... That can't happen. What was that? You know what that was. Don't show. Don't show. Don't show. Don't show. Don't be giving away to give me, brother. Don't be giving away the gimmick, brother. but the hard knocks once again is showcasing people and teams to a manner that makes you think

I like this team and what Brandon being on he's been spending a lot of money can't wait to chat with him he's probably very happy that his first ever hold in that he's ever had as a general manager is over with James Cook especially the guy who was basically their go-to I mean he had most yards I believe

for Buffalo once Joe Brady became the offense coordinator all anybody was saying up there was let James Cook and they did he's a dog obviously his older brother, Dalvin was a dog, and we cannot wait to watch this Buffalo Bills team who's going all in clearly and obviously has dogs

across the board. They need to win a Super Bowl. That's what people are talking about. But it's not just about Brandon being the general manager of the Buffalo Bills. It's not just about Peter Schrager. No. It's not just about Neil Shipley who would be joining us, obviously, incredible golfer. We're big fans of out of Ohio State. I believe he's on the Corn Ferry Tour now. Can't wait to chat

with him. We've been continuing a little golf conversation trying to get into that. It's not just the toxic table at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmitt. great shirt today. Thank you. You too. Good to see the tank back in the saddle. Yeah, you see that called a little tame from the islands, you know, wine, not.

Kind of in the best shape I've been in in a long, long time. Saw the tank staring at me today. And I said, on Arthur Town Wednesday? I thought I just feel like the right time to come back, especially with this summer becoming a perfect one. The weather outside is delightful. Yeah. Used to be scorching hot everywhere.

Now we're in a great spot. Happy summer. Also three weeks, one. day from the NFL kickoff. Love your shirt. I have a couple Bald Eagles, America, basically, that live on the property in which I inhabit now. And it is great

to see these things take off. Why they are majestic, and they are the weapons of the sky. You know, they are the winners. And you've heard a story about the crow. Oh, yeah, sure. The crow. Bob Salah told me all about it in the five-minute little thing he did last year. Yeah, what he said? He said, well, the bald eagle only really has one

bird that has enough gumption to kind of step up to it. It's the crow. The crow is also a large bird have a murder of crows on the property as well they are a big bird they're not scared to kind of attack the bald eagle the bald eagle though says that's no problem that's no problem and bald eagle just starts flying north you know and by north i mean we're climbing altitude oh yeah and inevitably the crow is too damn dumb doesn't even know even the crow's very smart bird has no idea that it's never going to be able to keep up with the eagle the eagle is michael phelps underwater but at altitude you can't hang in the crow inevitably

in eagle sword and that's a great depiction of what we need to do amen we need to just fly higher than our haters. As those crows are attacking us, we just need to get to an altitude that they will never get to. Shout to America, shout to the bald eagle. And also shout to America, America, wrapped around bald eagle's head there. Yeah, amen. This is one of my favorites for sure, and it's just kind of a great uniter, it feels. It is. You know, football and Eagles and just majestic great things are on the horizon. And authors. And authors. He's got a nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Buthers, sitting in a big-time seat over there. Hell yeah. Fills. to go here. Fly Eagles fly, but I can't wait

for Arthur Tone to get out here. Almost, you know. I'm excited. Almost. Geez. Twice now. It's early. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us live in the Thunderdome. What an honor. This man is from Plum Borough, which is in the East Hills of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Sure.

He's a D-1 athlete. Yeah. This man went to a school that would have been Ivy League if there was more grass around campus. True. The beautiful Duquesne University. He's probably, to be a duke he loves ball loves it super duper italian okay his name's not tony tony tiny but it might as well be yeah you know like like tony like tony like tony like tony like tony's father

yeah mr tony tony tony is certainly something that we have never seen by maybe maybe others have that's my first tony tony you know i'll tell you if it was michelangelo michelangelo i don't know how much more you get other than tony this guy though pison great western pennsylvania legend Mustang through and through. And now a two-time, two-time actual author. Ladies and, the author of the Need to Know Gambler's Guide for College Football 2025, 2026 season, which is available now at store. dot Pat McAfee Show.com for a very low price of $9.99 where you will get all the information

you will need to be a sophisticated sports gambler going into the season. Does that guarantee that you win? Absolutely not. But it's a lot of good information. If you're a data person, if you're a staff, person if you want to get quotes from teams or just overall narratives about teams how about conferences how about some future bets that we should look at last year over 500 whatever we're doing that maybe this year we continue the trend ladies and gentlemen the author of this particular book host of Hammer

from the Pat McVeigh Show program ladies and gentlemen tiny joy Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Ha-da-da-da-da-da-da-ha-ha-ha! Yeah! Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! Hell yeah!

What's up? Hemingway? Well, tone. Yeah. Yeah. You got a cig behind your left ear there. Yeah, it's an author. Hardball.

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. What's up? Hemingway? Well, Tone? Yeah. Got a sig behind your left ear there? Yeah, it's an author.

an author yeah you are an author yeah you brought out your best cowboy hat i see uh yeah it's big day yeah it is big day um all we wanted to really say was uh congratulations yeah tony yeah tony yeah tony quick trigger on this one i apologize he's he's got Some pie! Lord Juice! You didn't know that was coming, right? No. Yeah.

No, obviously that one would right down my throat. Yeah, yeah. While you're, ah, I left you. Yeah. D-Buts almost gave away. His cannon fell off earlier. That was the big thump that you heard. Well, why don't you have one piece of confetti in it, by the way.

Yours didn't? You're straight blue powder. It's a bull. It's a boy. It's high blood as well. Hey, it is. Hey, real quick. I mean, I guess it's it.

It is, uh, blue pot. Oh, so. Big powder. Your natural. Congratulations. You had a boy. I had a multi-color, you know, multi-color as well. Thank God I didn't get the powder from you.

It was a nice mix in the entirety. You wore that boy, though, if we were to celebrate the blue chocolate that just went out there. And that one exactly how we would have hoped it all. Wow. Yeah, Zito thought of that about a minute and a half before we went live. He goes, hey, we got confetti cannons in here. And I said, could we have those? And he goes, yes, we can very easily get them.

And then as the countdown's happening, Zito is walking in, handing out these guns. And we're as the show is at five, four, what are we saying? Just when I say, congratulate, we shoot them right in the face. All right. And then I think Ty even asked, should I get a little bit of a, or you think, Yeah, straight shot or get a little height on this thing. Yeah, and I'm happy you guys all kind of went with your gut sharing there. Yeah.

Well, we wanted to celebrate you. Yeah. We've had these in the office, I think, for like a year now. So this is the right time to do it. How do you feel now that it's been officially published and put out there? All the hay is in the actual barn whenever it comes to this year's gambler's guide. It feels awesome and, you know, it felt awesome to do the Tony Perkis runout. You know, that's very high.

You're doing butt kicks when you're running out. Yeah, I mean, I tried to do the Tony Perkis. Now that you say that, it was very well executed. I think I doubt it. It was a little bit of a deep cut. I don't know if anybody was expecting that. We obviously all thought that was your actual running gait. And I saw DeBut judging a little bit.

Yeah, it was a little zany. Yeah, that's Tony Berger. So you nailed that. The book, though. Let's get back. It's awesome. This year, I think it's a lot better because I started doing this a lot earlier in the year. Last year when the first one came out, you know, I was kind of putting that off, hoping that everyone would forget that we were doing it.

But this year, no. A lot more time spent on it. I feel really good about it. A lot of information in it, there's a lot of moving parts in college football. Yeah, because there's new faces, new places, new teams, new teams, And also, new squads have money. You know, like Texas Tech is entering the conversation in a massive way. It's like all these things are, if you didn't pay attention to anything going on in the offseason,

I think if you were to read this, you would get picked very quickly. Yeah. I mean, Granny, you've got to read through it all. It's a lot. But like Texas Tech, like using them as example, like we were seeing like all this spending money stuff. I'm like, is that real? Is it not? And then you go through and you do the research.

And they got a guy Bailey from Stanford who had like eight and a half sacks last year. an absolute freak. They brought in like four offensive alignment who were starters last year to other places and all conference guys. So it's like they spent their money well. They're returning 11 guys on defense, Texas tech may be a real team. Yeah, and you learn that in the gamblers guide. These are things that like early in the season as the books. And once again, if you're going to gamble, you should do it with their amount of money that is safe for you to lose. Yes. Like we just want as people that have been through the gambling entire experience and what he's putting in there is not a guarantee. You put your records from last year in there like, hey,

this is what we did last year. There is losses in there. We got this wrong. So none of this is saying, hey, if you read this, you're going to be a great gambler. There's a chance, though. Yeah.

But also, none of it will be, which is always the, none of it will be my fault. Like last year, I like that. I like classic. I liked Virginia Tech, okay?

You had a lot of returning. I read this thing, and you had me running through a wall for Virginia Tech on Game Day. Hey. And it didn't drill. And it didn't drill. And it didn't grow.

Bown. And in a new. And then they were going to come running out. And they got like, what, 20 returning starters? Bingo. Yeah, I was reading. I read the gamblers. Everyone.

And, you know, when you look, I went back and I looked at their season last year because that's part of it. I recap last year a little bit and where things went wrong. They had six-one score games that they lost, you know? That could have been completely the other way. We could have been right on Virginia Tech. And they got wrong by Miami. Exactly.

That was part of it. It was controversy. They got beat week one, double overtime to Vandy. Who thought Vandy was going to be good? No one. Arizona State last year was supposed to finish last in the Big 12. So, like, things happened. Did you see their training camp, Arizona State?

That looks so cool. Yeah, I did. So cool. You kidding me. He's talking about what? Didn't he say I want to bring back to Paradise to the Valley or something like that? I forget what it was. How old is the coach over there?

Oh, like 30s? Mid-30s. Yeah, 35, I think. And he's awesome. Awesome. And he's from there, I think. It's like a full-on thing. And they got money.

They got a little bit of money, which is a big part of the entire story. And speaking of money, only $9.99 you can get an entire breakdown of what college football could beat us. Now, we did double the price. You have to. I will say. Twice as much information. Inflation, tariffs, twice as much.

And terrorists, we didn't even, we could have. Yeah. Lucky this thing is that 99, 99. Yeah. There's a chance. Now, I do think we are in a stage of life where people would see $4.99, $9.99 of view them is the same thing, which I don't think is good. You know, back of the day, every dollar used to think.

So we should get back to that point at this point. Oh, that being said, $9.99, you're getting at least $11.99 worth of information. Not that out. You're winning by $2, at least $11.99. Don't you think? Yes. Maybe even $14.99 worth of information. We'll take the best bet.

Let's not get crazy. Let's see how the, let's see how everything in there goes this year. And we'll see how to, but $10 bet on the best bet in there. You take the best bet for $10,000, $100,000, $1,000. I mean, I trust Tony with all my money when it comes to gambling because he's a good gambler. See, that's what we're saying the exact opposite. But I give out like $30. I think it's like 32 or 33 team total over-unders that I feel good about.

And people, just for that would probably spend, like, people were out paying for picks all a time. They would spend just $10 for that. But I did do it right before we ran out. You do it, you buy it, $9.99 on the site. And then you get an email from store. Dot pack, Matt McAfee Show.com. And there's a download link right there that you get to download the PDF.

Much easier than we thought it was going to be. To be clear, whenever we went down this voice. we thought it was going to be terrible. We thought it was going to be very difficult, which all your research is what it is. That is very difficult work. You put a lot of time and do it. I appreciate you. You love College Bowl. And all the info that you put out is great. We thought the logistics behind it of a downloadable and this whole thing. It worked out well, though. Shout to fill in the store out there. That's incredible work. And also, show out to Dibone putting together all the graphics. Dirty did as well.

Okay, Dirty joined it. Hey, I have, baby, Dirty. Thank you, Dirty. We appreciate the hell out of that. we're going to give away your picks. I don't think we should do that. I think we should get a couple of days. Yeah, a couple of days. It's in the book. It is in the book. All right, we appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, the author of the Need to Know Gamblers Guide for the 2025, 2026 college football season, AP tone. Howdy, Joe. Hey, boy. Author, too you guys want to switch? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that feels right. Yeah, gone.

Go on, go on, boy. This is a special seat, though. yeah next year third annual yeah that's right hey have we ever confettied somebody no we're proud of you aren't we

yeah without a doubt and it is serious great information in there for gambling quotes to that kind of backup that kind of backup I

I we're not doing it yeah I don't worth it We'll just pound them over here. That was really efficient, boys. I think we thought that's how long that was going to take. Really good work.

You guys still have feet? Welcome back home, DeButch. Thanks, man. Good to see you. An author was sitting in that seat just moments ago. Still for the oar and left his sick here, too. Whoa. Whoa.

Oh. Thank you. Here's a photo from the celebration. Yeah. That's what we're looking. for yeah that's how you celebrate that's right you know you should celebrate maybe how's that with an ice cold dr pepper baby yeah definitely definitely definitely a dr pepper you should have that all right now that we're back let's do a little uh football talk before brandon bean joins a shout to

dr pepper the official uh soft drink of fansville and now the thunder dumb i drink i think it's official drink of fans official drink yeah it's right there on the screen just just look at that Shit, yeah, it's right in front of our face. Shout to Dr. Pepper, we love it. There's 45 of them consumed before the show to celebrate this. We're trying to connect with Mr. Bean right now, general manager of the Buffalo Bills. Mr. Bean, by the way, phenomenal series of things. Big brain on that particular gentleman, just like on Brandon Bean and this entire thing.

Let's start chitch chatting a little bit about the Pittsburgh Steelers Cam Hayward issue. More things have kind of come to light to our brains about the Cam Hayward situation. So I guess it wasn't like a new contract last year whenever he re-signed this entire thing. It was basically like a salary cap gymnastics restructuring of the contract. So last year they just kind of reshuffled some money. Now granted, they gave him more money guaranteed at that exact point. So he certainly gave him more money. Tom Brady started this, I think, back whenever he was with the Patriots, really the first guy

to get a front-loaded contract to restructure the contract to get a guaranteed payday so they can kind of separate that amount of money over the remaining years of the contract, to a salary cap hit each year that it is. So it's a little salary cap gymnastics. I guess that's what they did for Cam Hayward last year. And he is chit-chatted about how when I go a pro, I'll like us to actually do this again in its entirety. I'm intrigued by the reaction because in the offseason,

Cam Hayward did say to Aaron Rogers, you're the one to be a Pittsburgh steeler or you don't. Yes. Verbatim. So now, you see, everybody in Pittsburgh is not everybody. a portion of Pittsburgh and Yenzers are like, hey, Cam, you either want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or not. A. P. Tone, I'll go to you, fresh off author book being released.

The new information being us finding out about it being a restructure last year as opposed to a new contract. Does that change anything you think in anybody's minds? How do you think people are reacting to Cam Hayward, who, his entire family, be loved in Pittsburgh, very beloved. But this is the type of thing that Yenzers do not love. I don't think any like blue-collar town loves this type of thing especially because the numbers that they see whenever they're hearing about what athletes

are making. And remember, these guys all play in high school. They would die a player. I pay to pay. Play for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So whenever this type of stuff always gets ugly, it does get kind of ugly in these types of towns. What are your thoughts on the Cam Hayward's there's two sides to it.

There's the fans who are like, it's Cam, you know, he is one of three guys who's had 30 sacks from the defensive tackle position in the last four years. Quentin Williams and DeForest Buckner being the other two. Quentin is making 24 million a year and DeForest is making 23 million a year, which is about at least 9 million more than what Cam is making this year. So as far as play on the field, he deserves more money. But then there's the other side of the ball and there are some users in this where they're like, hey, you were at the negotiating table last year and you put

your name on a contract last year a year ago. Now, if it was a handshake deal, which we've been talking about a lot about making all pro, and then they would come back and revisit it, a lot of people were saying his agents should have probably put that in the deal. So there's two sides to it. At the end of the day, I think the Steelers have

the money to get a deal done, and I think Cam deserves to be paid more just by especially if he's just pissed off. Like, this is a guy you'd like to just keep at. This guy is coach. Yeah, and he has been the heart and blood of that Steelers defense for a long, long time. So yeah, I hope they get it done quickly.

Well, congrats to all parties over there if they get that deal done. And also, congrats to, you know, why not to Indianapolis Colts? We'll sign KMA. Why not? Trade Mendy. Put it right next. No one. Got big growth.

Yeah, put it in bed too. We'll run, we'll five Don. Yeah. Three big guys. The middle of the pockets could be a problem for everybody. Always room for an all pro. Joining it, legit. All the time, all pro.

All pro. Own and the field and off the field. And you can get in a locker. Absolutely. Walter Payton, man, two years ago. Yeah. Probably flip one of them for KJ Hamler, too. Love your favorite point.

Well, joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who has K.J. Hamler on his squad. And fresh off a brand new scooter, I think KJ. Hamler, not just fast on the field, also off the field. He's not the only one on the field for this particular team. Look out for James Cook returning to practice for the Buffalo Bills because he got a deal done. With who? Ladies and gentlemen, the general manager of the Buffalo Bills, friend of the program. Brennan. Yeah, Brendan.

Nobody beats your intros, Pat, nobody. Hey, you're Oprah right now, brother. You get a car, you get a car, you get a car, you get a new deal. $1.26 billion in deals this off season. I want to let you know, thank you for rewarding your guys, in-house guys as well. How great did it feel to get James Cook's deal done? Because I learned on Hard Knocks that he was the first ever hold-in that you've had throughout your stint up there in Buffalo.

But not just James Cook, this entire office. And how does it feel to get all this done with your pillars, basically? No, it's been good. I mean, our ownership, the Pagoolas are unbelievable, Pat. They just, they love the motto, the mantra that we have, which is draft, develop, and re-sign her own. And there's, you feel like a proud dad when you, when you are able to see these guys be rewarded for their success. Not only on the field, obviously that's why we drafted them and tried to help develop them, but just being pillars in the community. You were talking about it earlier.

This is a blue-collar town, just like Pittsburgh, and, you know, they love their buffalo bills. And so it's fun to see these guys be rewarded. Let's talk about James Cook just a little bit. Was it, did you guys have an understanding that a deal was always going to get done? So, like, T.J. Watt and the Pittsburgh Steelers had a little thing going on. But every insider was like, a deal is going to get done. A deal is going to get done. James Cook doing the hold in.

Was it always just assumed from your end that a deal was something was going to get worked out? Or, like, how did we get to the point where a deal actually gets done? Are you constantly working on a deal while he's there so it's not like completely uncomfortable? Like take me to the situation here while the Holden was happening and what was happening behind the scenes potentially. Yeah, I mean, listen, I would say Jimbo and I had a lot of dialogue through this process. You know, we tried to get something done in the spring when we're doing the other guys that didn't work. We pushed pause and just said, you know, we'll see if we can circle back later in the summer. So we started talks again once camp got started.

And, you know, he started practicing those guys, maybe they didn't feel like it was, you know, where they wanted it to be, which, you know, was unfortunate. But we wanted him to continue practicing. And so we kind of pushed pause until we were able to get him back on the practice field yesterday. And then once we did that, we, you know, I give Zach Hiller and Kevin Meagank on my staff a lot of credit. They worked into the night last night to try and get this thing to the finish. line and we're excited it's here. So to answer your question, no, I was not known that this would get done. You know, I wanted to see James get rewarded, but as you see, we've dealt out a lot of cash this year, and we've got to make a lot of things fit with the cap and what those constraints

are. And he obviously had to have a deal that he was happy about, and sometimes those can be hard and not fun. But James is such a great kid. He loves ball. He's competitive. And even though he wasn't in practice every day. He was very attentive in meetings and engaged with his teammates. So I do respect that, you know, that part of it. I love to hear that because that means at some point, James Cook was told, hey, you could probably make more money if we continue and go somewhere else and do that. But with everything that's happening around us, this is a great situation.

This is a deal that can happen. Anytime that both sides have to give a little bit, you know, you probably didn't want to do it. That's whenever a strong deal can take place because it feels like both sides actually committed to each other, right? Doesn't it feel that way? Yeah. No, I mean, most good deals, there's a little pain on both sides. You got to give a little, and you kind of, here's some things that we just can't move on. Here's some things that they have to have in the deal, and you kind of strike those off,

and then you kind of find those things, all right, you give me this, I'll give you a little bit of that, and we just kind of start checking those off, and that's kind of where we got to by dinner time, and, you know, it got wrapped up about 11 o'clock last night. That's awesome. Congratulations to all parties over there. hard knocks how do you feel about it i think you're coming across very cool i think you look very cool in that thing even whenever you're watching film with the owner uh in last night scene i think the way you know the the cowboy was pretty good i i think watching the thumb go back

and forth very natural i i think you should feel good how has it been having your life be documented here do we want do i need to change anything with the cowboy no twist the hands no go with it i think you nailed it yeah because you know because you could tell quickly i think whenever somebody as one of those. Like me, you put me on one, I'm not going to be the smooths. Like, I'm not, I'm not the most film savvy guy. But then you put some dogs on there, you know, you get like, deep butt on that thing. You get like coaches on that thing. It's like, oh, this is their controller. This is their video game controller. They're playing guitar hero on this fucking thing. So it's like, uh, it was nice to see that. But how has it been to

have hard knocks there? I think you guys have come off very likable. And I know that's probably your culture, but like, I think everybody kind of has. Yeah, I mean, listen, when you first get the call back in May that we're going to be on it, you're like, oh, gosh, like I don't, you know, how invasive is that going to be? You know, our number one goal in training camp is to prepare this team for, you know, a 17 game season and hopefully a ticket to the playoffs. That's what all 32 are trying. And so, you know, you're kind of like, ah, and then you start asking questions. So we had some meetings with the hard knocks folks in early June. And, you know, we laid out our goals of what we're open to and we listen to them,

that have worked, asked some questions of other teams, just tried to learn as much as we could about it. And I give them credit. They listened to some of the things that we felt would be a little invasive, a little uncomfortable. But just like a deal with James Cook, hey, we'll give you a little bit of access here if you can just help us protect. You know, like, we don't want to be releasing players on film. I just, this is their livelihood, and I've just never been a fan of that.

And I just think these guys work so hard to, you know, I don't think any of us want. to see I'm getting called in and whatever, you know, line of work you're in, you're being called in to be relieved of your duties. I just, I think that's a line that I'm uncomfortable crossing. So there were some conversations like that, but I give the crew credit. They, they've really listened to our staff. And that's what we said. Let's, let's work together and let's make this a win-win for both sides. The NFL films people are supremely talented. We are big fans of what they got going on. Now, obviously, the access, because they are like the 33rd team is unprecedented to anybody else, but what they do with it is remarkable.

And your team looks good, man. I enjoy your team. K.J. Hamler, by the way, we need to find a spot for him in the locker room. This guy is hysterical, naturally, very, very hilarious. Listening to you guys chat about his football abilities, also great, obviously. Go ahead, Dee Budge. Yeah, I love him. Great, great vibes.

But sticking in that room, you obviously have secure there who you took care of your pay, Keon Coleman, who we expect a big jump for this year. Where are you right now? How do you feel about the state of that wide receiver room? And, yeah, I'll stop there. Yeah. You know, Shakir got his ankle in our scrimmage a couple of weeks ago, so he's going to be out for the rest of the preseason,

but he's progressing well. So hate not having him out there, but we're at least happy to know he should be ready to roll for the regular season. Kian, I think,'s had a good camp. As you said, he's ascending talent. I see him and Josh, you know, continuing to work on their report and get the chemistry, all the various throws that you make to a bigger

target like that. You know, Eliza Moore we brought here, Josh Palmer today at practice. Josh had a really good practice. He and our quarterback connected a lot. And we've got some other guys, KJ. Hamler, Tyroes, Shavers. I mean, you keep in it, Leviska,

Chanel. I'm leaving guys out. But it's, we've got, well, we've got a lot of guys beating for the last. you know, three or four, you know, I would say last two spots. You know, special teams, D.B. comes in there as well as far as, you know, if you're not starting, you know, when we're in 11 personnel, your top three, if you're not one of those, you got to, are you returning punts? Are you returning kicks? Are you a gunner? Like, we've got to find other roles for you to, you know, so we can have you on the 48.

Yeah, we need you out there. Okay. We need you. If you're not out there on the punt team, you're not going to be on the team. which is why I used to give speeches to young guys that I thought were great gunners, great special team. Hey, you need to learn this defense, okay? All they're saying is you don't know what the hell you're doing. You need to learn what the hell you're doing so that we can have you on special teams, buddy. Okay, you're really good at special teams.

They say you suck on the defense. I need you to get better over here. And also, let's start picking up water bottles for people. We need you. I'm like campaigning for people, lobbying for people, because special teams is a lot of ways into the NFL for a lot of guys. and they have no idea that's the case.

Do you try to explain that to guys? Does McDermott explain? Does coach explain that to people? How is that message kind of delivered? Yeah, we definitely do it. We emphasize it, especially to the young guys in June, you know, the rookies and those young players. Like, if you are not a starter, you better find a role on special teams.

And if not, you're going to have a hard time, A, making the team. And even if you make the team, you're probably going to be inactive on game days until guys in front of you get injured. And there's so many guys that we've pointed to that have made it as a special teamer that later developed as either an offensive player or a defensive player. If they had not been that good on special teams, I mean, shoot, I remember you go back to Steve Smith in Carolina. Steve was a third round pick. He returns to his very first kickoff for playing Minnesota in 2001. He returns it for a touchdown, and he was a dynamic put returner.

But we were rarely using him on offense the first couple of years. It was his third season when he kind of took off as a receiver and started a sending. But who knows if he had never been, you know, an all-pro returner if he would have gotten the looks at receiver. Robert Mathis, I think, started his career as kickoff guy. Toreau Davis. 123 sacks later. Torel Davis, FD.

Antonio Brown was a return, a nightmare of a returner. He was a now turpin, yeah. I mean, you're right. Hey, special team's a beautiful place, baby. It's an absolutely beautiful place. Let's go to... Especially with the kickoff rule this year. Like the kickoff's going to change, you know, you're not going to want a lot of touchbacks because it's at the 35.

So, you know, the kickoff is truly going to be back in the game. I think there's going to be a lot more than previous seasons. And that's going to be a major change this year, I think, for special teams. Is that good for you or bad for you in Buffalo? I think it's fine as long as we do a good job and that we have the right personnel out there because it's, like I said. I'm saying weather-wise, you think that's good or bad? I think weather-wise, if everybody's not kicking touchbacks, I think that's good for you guys. Because not the bat doesn't have a big leg, but, like, you know, there's going to be 10 inches of snow for, like, four of the games up there.

Well, the wind becomes more of a factor up here than, honestly, the snow. So damn cool. I played in a blizzard up there. Last game of the year, my rookie year. Needed to have a 44-yard average. Needed to have one inside of 20 to hit an escalator for $1 million in my third year. and we get out there all the boys are on the bench

because we're already in the playoffs remember Bill Pulling decided to rest everybody all the vets were pissed so yeah we were yeah that game it was a fool on blizzard and I had this was the biggest day of my life

it was literally the biggest day of my life like I gotta have a good game up here for a million dollars a million dollars on the line right now that is how I'm a lot of points oh yeah yeah yeah we had some turnover did you get it did you get the million

Dean if you were to just I mean I assume though but this is probably the last place you want to be kicking to get a million bucks agreed uh agreed completely but uh yeah i got there's a million dollars Peyton manning Dallas Clark having a time of their lives on that sideline that was when Peyton manning handed out 45 wristbands and said there was game worn every single one put them on yeah walked over hand him to a kid was handed him off you know like there was conversations going on about how much fun everybody was everybody's having a blast

everybody's having a good time we're losing this game who cares you know let's keep it moving I'm in, like, the biggest. Please, please. There's a million dollars on it. This is the biggest day of my entire life. But once again, the people of Buffalo showed up, which is why I appreciate you guys keeping that shit a little bit open on that new stadium. Now, the boys have some questions on personnel.

I'm going to ask about the new stadium. How are we doing? Howard of Bison. How are the Bison? How are we doing this? We're still growing those Bisons, so they're still in the lab. But we're trending well. It's going to be awesome, I promise you.

Every picture or video that we get from the update or whatever, this place is going to be sick. It's awesome. I can't not wait to go up there and see a game, brother. It's going to be so, I mean, for this city to get this stadium, it's going to be a masterpiece. I mean, I've only been in there a couple times since, but I'm blown away, you know, every time I'm over there.

The aerial photo of it being right across the street from the older, the stadium you guys are in now, is like such a good selling piece for any team that's looking to get a new stadium. like hey look at what stadiums used to be and look what they can be now and it's literally right across the street in the same photo for you guys it is if we can find that photo so much bigger it is just so bigger night i mean it's just like beautiful all the technology advancements that you can have since the last time stadiums have been built it's like this is going to be good for the entire city even though the city is helping like it is going to be good for the entire buffalo bill's faithful bill's mafia oh my god wow come on Come on, Matt. Are you okay? Getting back into it. Sorry. You see this 10?

Preseason. I'm on the damn islands. That's all me. I am so sorry, Bill's Mafiosa. I would never, ever, ever want to offend. Here's the photo that I was referring to. Yeah. It's like this is the selling point here.

If you're another city trying to get it and pitch it, it's like the far corner there here, you see, that is what yesterday looked like. Yeah. This is tomorrow. Okay, let's just go ahead and try to do that. It's just like, I can't wait. Your fans have certainly deserved it. Okay, let's talk about the team a little bit.

You have gone seemingly, okay? I know you probably don't like that. You say, we go all in every year is what every general manager is. We spend all money we can spend every single year. We're going all in every single year. But this is the year, off-season year where you had to make a lot of massive decisions, and you did. There's one that's kind of snuck under the radar in this entire thing. Go ahead, Tone.

Yeah, to that point being, I think it was like a month ago, there was a viral tweet that was like, holy shit, I forgot Joey Bost is on the bills this year. and that's kind of snuck under the radar. How has Joey been and how do you expect him to be for that defense this year? Yeah, it's been good to have Joey. You know, he missed some of the spring he was dealing with a calf, but he's had

a good camp. We've tried to make sure we're ramping him up, but not not beat him up too bad. And he's done a great job. He's got a good presence. You can see the rush in there. I'm excited for what he's going to bring to our defense. And we've got

some, you know, we drafted some young guys on the D-line. We signed a couple other guys. So it's been fun to just have his presence. Obviously, guys respect his game and what he's done. No, you're right. It hasn't been talked about a lot. And I know Joey's out to prove he's battled a couple of injuries the last couple of seasons, but he's out to prove that he still got it and he wants to help, you know, do it here in Buffalo. He played, you know, his college career in Ohio State, and I think he's alluded to a couple times. This feels like, you know, more like college town, college field, blue collar, like kind of getting him back.

You know, he was obviously in L.A. for a while, different lifestyle. So it's been fun to see him kind of re-energized. Your camp is cool. Getting a chance to watch it through Hard Knocks. It's a cool setup. It does feel very similar to what La Trobe feels like for Pittsburgh, for the Steelers, you know? And the fans embracing training camp and everything like that. It's been really cool to watch how you guys do it.

And also, you're a team that can go for a Super Bowl. And every team can go for a Super Bowl, of course. It's not real. D-Buts doesn't think everything, you know, for Super Bowl. It's only about six. Okay, well, if D-But's case, what he's saying and what I'm saying, you guys are going for Super Bowl, and you're on Hard Knott. We're watching it kind of, it's cool.

It doesn't happen a lot like that with Hard Knocks. So it's like, we appreciate you guys letting him in there. Now, one of the stars, obviously, early, has been the MVP. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Brandon, I think if you're not a Bill's fan and you're watching Hard Knocks, some people would look at Josh Allen. And obviously, everyone knows how talented he is. but it's like, oh, this guy's so jovial, so happy, you know, kind of happy, go lucky, almost.

And then we hear the stories come out, how he's voted, you know, the number one shit talker in the league, and he obviously flips a switch and everything. But how evident is it, like, with his off-field demeanor and his on-field demeanor? Is it like you guys notice on Sundays or Thursdays or Mondays, like, holy shit, this guy actually is a different human being when he's inside the lines? Yeah, he's All those things You nailed it perfectly tight

He's He's a jovial dude He loves to practice He loves to compete He is a jokester Like you know You should see some of the celebrations These guys do in practice

I'm trying not to laugh I'm trying to be an adult sometimes Oh yeah Well he also got Phyllis On us with the boys Yeah yeah yeah He's jokes We have good time

Yeah yeah I understand He's full of them But even like today For example When the defense Picks a ball off even if it's not against him. Sometimes he's on the sideline, and it happened today.

And the defender, our rule is the defender, no matter how far you pick it off, you've got to take it back the other way. And so one of our linebackers picked one off today in practice. It wasn't against Josh. And so as soon as the guy got by him, Josh chases him down, punches the ball out. And the whole offense goes crazy. So it's like the guy just made a hell of a play. And now he's getting abused by his teammates because he got the ball.

that's that's Josh though he he loves to do it I've I fussed at him for it I'm like dude if you freaking pull doing that I'm gonna I'm gonna kill you yeah but that's like hilarious football guy shit because all anybody's talking about is Josh punching that ball it doesn't matter if the whistle's dead no in training case I punch I was trying to punch balls out I'd be on a sideline with Vinnie somebody who catch the ball down the sideline I'm going immediately for it's like the number one rule like don't drop if you have the ball the ball the ball is the program do not drop the ball even if the whistle's dead.

That's like a training camp thing. The fact that Josh Allen's chasing people down when he's not on the field to punch it out, he's like a child out there. Got a joy, like a childlike joy for the sport of football. But then he's voted, to tie's point, the biggest shit talker whenever he goes on the field.

He looks like a guy who could be president from what I'm watching and how everybody loves him. And on the field, he's an absolute dog. It's like you got the guy. Is that why you had so much belief after year one maybe, year two? It's like, hey, it's all in there, and he's the right guy.

There has to be some of that that you're seeing now. No doubt. He's honestly, his personality reminds me a lot of Luke Keekely. Luke was obviously on defense, but the quarterback of the defensive Carolina. And Luke, like,

you can try all day to get Luke to say a curse word outside the lines. Like, just he's, I mean, he's one of those guys. I've seen him, like,

pick up a water bar on the sideline and hand it to a trainer that another player dropped. It's like, dude, like, I can't believe you're focused on that. But he crosses the line

and you've heard him on some of the miced up things. Like, he's just, it's like he blacks out or something. We used to, we used to laugh at it. And I think Josh is a little bit that way. He gets in the white lines and he just, he just blacks out and goes into a different mode. Who was

that? Some guy was, maybe the dolphins, somebody's talking to him, and he stopped and looked at the guy's last day. And then he just kept walking. It was like so subtle. Just buried that guy. Just absolutely murdered him. He's so witty. Just so quick. He's crazy. Yeah. I'm scared

to it. Honestly, when he, when he comes up to the talk or ask you a question, you literally freeze because you're scared he's setting you up for some, he's going to get you. And so I have to sometimes say, are you serious? Like, are you serious? No, I'm serious. I'm serious. And

even half those times when he finally gets you in, then he still, you know, pulls some kind of break. Yeah, I'm serious. I'm serious. He's a part of the thing. Yeah, yeah. I have to sell it that way. Yeah, I have to sell. Everyone's got 1,500 acres now? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And a big ass farm, but in comparison to out there in California or something like that? Yeah, I mean,

You got a cowboy, a farmer, a guy who could be president, obviously married to a... Academy Award winner. Yeah, and then he's voted... And he's the MVP of the NFL. He's what everybody's looking for, and he's voted the biggest shit talk. Like, that is my favorite. Like, that is, I love that all that can coexist. Hey, he won the sportsmanship last year, too, after being the biggest shit.

After being voted the biggest shits are. I don't know how that comes together, but... Congrats, dude. Let's talk about an award. going to win executive of the year, especially if you guys get rolling. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Bean, it's a pleasure to see you're looking tan. Glad to know that you are aware that, you know, it takes more than an offensive line to block out the sun. But when you're looking at what you have done.

Great line from Coach McDermott. Fantastic. I'm sure that commercial is going to be amazing. But when you look at the deals you have done, Brandon, the Josh one was early, a few others were very early. I believe Benford was as well. And then now, you know, James is kind of the last to get done. When you look at these deals, how important is it for you kind of getting ahead of what the market is going to turn into? And then when it comes to forecasting deals you have to make, a guy like Dalton Kincaid going into his third year where you have to kind of decide on the fifth year after this one. Are you thinking and trying to project what the tight end market

will be to try and figure out what his contract will be? Do you wait and see how the performance is? How does that kind of work on your end? yeah with all players i mean like anything after their third year is the first opportunity you can extend them and and sometimes you want to see more and sometimes you're like no this this fits and then sometimes you're like yeah i would like to extend them but their markets i just i can't afford what their market is and you know just based on where you are currently in that year and so we've made a lot of tough decisions as you guys know last year when pat told me all of our friends So he got to cut all of his friends.

But part of that was in preparation, you know, getting a year ahead of this, knowing that we had some guys that we thought we would want to extend, that we're trending in the right direction. And so, and again, it takes two. Like these guys, you know, I respect these guys a lot because, of course, as I said earlier, they could have tried to say, hey, I want to play it out and test it. Yeah, I want to stay here, but I want to see if I can run the meter up and how bad do you want me or I can go to the highest bidder.

And they've earned that right. You understand that. So it means a lot to me in our organization and the Pagoolas and in Sean McDermott as well that these guys, hey, we love it here. We like how you treat us. We like how we're being developed. And we want to stay here and hopefully continue our career. Hopefully we can keep them all in Buffalo as long as their career lasts.

You know, that time will tell on that. But you're constantly looking two and three years out to your point on, you know, whether it's franchise tag, fifth-year options, players that you've pushed the, you know, you've kicked the can down the road, what do you need to do with them? Do you need to restructure? Do you need to extend? All those conversations we're having. Things can change. Injuries can happen. Guys can get past that you thought you might be extending and you're like they haven't kind of hit that next level. So they're kind of written in pencil more than Penn at this point. So fascinating all of it,

especially with what's happening around the league. Do you look at it? Obviously, all the other drama happening around you, you've told us yes in the past because you're, you might snoop around. Now you can't really at this point with how much money you've spent into the salary cap at this particular situation. Maybe you just looked at me

and said, if there's a right situation, we can still do some nut and those. I'm about getting these couch cushions right here and see if we got you. Hey, get some duct tape, you know,

try to find the crumbs down there. Yeah, I understand. But you are, like, because there's, I think getting the deal done early is what we, from our coverage, from us just having to talk

about everybody's, drama it feels like getting a deal done a year early is much better than getting a deal done either on time or a year late just seemingly from the drama in the inevitable how much how many millions was it for for the cowboys they it's like 49 or the dash 64 million all together 64 total yeah exactly 50 million with dac because they did the franchise tag and then extended them and then the next extension was late as well so it got ran up and then 15 million with cd lay yeah 14.9 or something And now, granted, these are all just like Monday morning quarterbacking, obviously, in this whole thing. And in the moment's vastly different.

But it does feel like we're in a time where you have to pick who your guys are going to be and almost just tell them with money early. Do you think that's becoming a trend around the NFL, or do you think the NFL will try to make sure, hey, we pay you when these deals are done? How do you think this is all going to be navigated going forward? Yeah, I mean, I think like anything, it takes two to get a deal done. of these players that maybe, you know, and I can't speak for them, I don't know you'd have to ask the player of the agent, but maybe some of these players truly just want to see what's out there and yes, they like they like they can make a lot more. And again, that's why I say I respect a lot of what our guys did. They didn't want to test the market. They were happy with the numbers

we were able to get them. And I think that's always going to be the case. I think you're going to find teams that are able to find guys that enjoy being where they're at. They're happy with the money that you're offering them and they're not trying to see if they can get another million, two million, whatever that is in free agency to pack up and move their family to another city. And that's the, I think that's the case. Sometimes you see guys and they don't, maybe they don't love it there. Maybe they don't love their coach. Maybe they don't love their situation. And then there's just guys that they want to just see that like, hey, you know what, I'm six months away. I'm this close. We haven't reached a deal. I just want to play this thing out,

which is they're right. I respect that. Yeah. It's interesting. interesting the drama. The NFL is the greatest for us, obviously. Yeah. Yeah, he's so much shit. Love it. James Cook's holding in up there as being lost his fastball. Oh, oh. Is it all falling apart up there? You know, that wouldn't even seem to be not very drama-filled. You know, that was even like, hey, this is happening, this is happening, and then you guys get a deal done. That's great news. But I think it's also all these things that you're talking about for your guys. Not only do you find good guys and develop good guys and your

everything like that. But also, you guys are good. Go ahead, D-Bud. Yeah. Speaking of drama, narrative. kind of outside. Quarterbacks obviously got to deal with it, players in the locker room, but as a GM of the Buffalo Bills who has to kind of get over that hump, it's been the Chiefs,

and then obviously you have the Ravens out there. But how much do you think about that, I guess, on the day-to-day building your team? Like I said, I know what players are kind of attached to their phones, but how much do you think about that on day-to-day? Yeah, I mean, that's what drives us every day. I mean, from once you get over the loss,

and they, you know, the further you go in the playoffs, You know, last year we were losing the AFC championship. We've had a couple of runs there. We've lost in the divisional round. And these games are all coming down to a play here, a couple plays there, a drive, a missville, whatever the case may be. It's gut-wrenching. It's crushing. You've got to get over it fast, though, and start planning.

And, again, that's, I think that's the, you know, the fabric of our team and our organization is, yes, we've come up short, but it's just, you know, digging a bigger chip on our shoulder. and that's kind of our mantra here and yes we know we haven't achieved what we need to we've had consistency and continuity and we've won you know I think five divisions in a row that's not the ultimate goal we want to we want to hoist that thing but we're not going to blow it all up we're going to keep swinging the sword we're going to learn from our losses you know I think in life you know I know me I've learned way more from my mistakes or where I came up short and I know that's cliche but it's it's the God's honest truth you got to learn from it and we're just going to keep kicking the door

and at some point we've got to find a way to kick the door in Pat. Yeah, what year was it for Jordan? I forget what it was. I forget what it was. There's so many different examples of the past of good teams, good teams, good teams becoming immortalized teams whenever they break the seal. Hope you guys

are able to do that for the good of everybody in Buffalo, including yourself. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. Thank you for joining us in the middle of training camp here. Appreciate you guys. Always fun to see you guys, and hopefully we'll see you later this season. Hey, that Pagula, cookout, barbecue, house gathering, whatever the hell they call it. That looked really nice.

Were you there? Yeah, he was. I was there. You know who else was there? Boyko was there. Dog. Your guy. Boikov's absolute dog.

Does Pagula know that Boyko was there? Yeah, that's a good question. No, no, he was in the bushes, but he was there. Vince Carter, actually, was like, what the hell's going on? Who's that? What's going on? You got a weirdo outside. No, he works for the bill.

All right. Shout up Boyko going to the big wig party. You deserve it, buddy. All right. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen. Buffalo Bills, General Manager, Ben, Bean. Golf season's over for him, huh? Yeah, unfortunately. It's kind of good tan, though. He had a good golf season. Yeah, fantastic tan. He's an unbelievable golfer. I mean, what was it? 76, right? Yeah, but remember, we saw, or was that Orlovskys? That was Orlovskys. Yeah. Orlovskys, we saw a lot of double penciling. Right in that scorecard, pencil off her a reaper. reason, it feels like, or because it was on the golf card? And he added it up wrong. Yeah, there was a

and then a change, and then a circle instead of a square. And it's like, what are we doing? We're not keeping score. How to keep it mold? Bean's last four holes, remember? I think it was Bean's last four holes were like. Needed it. Parr, Bernie, par, birdie.

I think he's a really good player. But to get the bet, I forget how much we had to donate. I forget what it was a pretty big. Yeah, I think it was 50 or 100. Yeah, and we weren't there. So, you know, it's always interesting how we just get screenshots of score cards And they say, yep, donate 50 grand. It's like, all right, you're right.

Bean's an honorable guy. Yes, he is. Taking care of all his boys. He talked about last year's offseason, which was just a... Yeah, turn their page. See ya, they had to get to a new team. This is their new team. They are now in the era of their new team.

You asked about getting over the hump, do they? I mean, they got all the pieces. They got an MVP quarterback, and you've got a good team around them. I know if you've been a fan of that organization for a long time, because a lot of you guys probably don't remember, but the four years where they lost. Four falls of Buffalo. Boy, I love losing the Super Bowl.

You know, as a Dolphins fan who didn't win Super Bowls in my lifetime, we would obviously make fun of that. But, yeah, they got to get over the hump because being there, being that close, you know, he just kind of ran down. We all remember the 13 seconds, and then the Felt Tush pushing all these different plays.

But when you have that quarterback in place and you've got a guy like Brandon Bean running the show, you'll have a chance every year. You've got to get lucky. Yes, with injuries. For sure. every team does that's why can't trust it enough what the new england patriots were able to do for 20 plus years insane absolutely insane just because all you need is injury to one or two your pillars one or two important positions

and all of a sudden you got a brand new team it's like the detroit lines last year Detroit lines somehow still remain the number one team in the nFC and we couldn't name two players on the defense at the end of the season because everybody got hurt over 20 guys all pros yeah all on the defense I was like Tennessee that one year. When Vraibes, like the Titans, and they lose the Bengals, right? In Tennessee? Yeah, it was 90 active players during that season for them. And to your point there, about losing to the Bengals,

that's what stings for Buffalo is that, like, the Buffalo, it feels like their circle, like their target is Kansas City. And that one year where Kansas City and Buffalo played in the second round in Kansas City won, then, you know, since he goes on to win the AFC championship, because that, it feels like that game, the Buffalo KC won every year. It's the game.

It balls to the wall. No matter what, that next week, that team's going to be dead. They really do call it the game. It's like becoming the game. Josh. It's pretty man. Patriots and Colts. Yeah, yes.

Exactly. Peyton Tom. Hayton had to get over at home. Now, granted, Joe Burrow, though, fans would say who's the guy that Joe beats him. But do they have a defense? No. Not yet. Do they?

If every team has a Tanner McKee on it and they're playing against CINC, since he's in trope. Okay, I understand what you're saying, what happened in the first game of the preseason. But the Cincinnati Bengals are going to be an interesting case study on this modern NFL. Because it feels like what they are doing, lighting up on the offensive side, throwing it, everything like that. Obviously, paying two wide receivers top money, quarterback top money, everything like that. That feels like six years ago in the NFL. Okay?

Yeah. Right now, it feels like everybody is gearing up. Now, that's because the Eagles are champs. but everybody's gearing up run game and like it feels like that is what everybody's kind of going no line deal of trenches and run game and it's like I feel like the Bengals will be able to score with anybody but the other teams might be able to just hold the ball they might not have a lot of because that's like the defense gets Patrick Mahomes how do you beat Patrick Mahomes well you got to keep them off the field how do you keep up the field well you control the ball and they play good defense if you can it's like teams will be able to potentially do that against his Bengals team and I think they're just expecting it I think it's like yeah we might have 40 points to win a game we know we all watch football been around the game, we know that recipes are going to work. Yeah. Great offense will not work on any high level football, especially in the National Football League, even with

Patrick Mahomes. Like, he's obviously been great on his run, but Spag's had that defense playing at a high, high level. When the Bengals beat the Chiefs, Lou had a great game plan for him that they went out there and executed. So defense at some point is going to have to get out there and win you the games. Joe Burrell just had an MVP caliber

year last year, and they were fighting and scratching the clawing to make the playoffs, which they didn't. So we know that recipe won't work. And then when you're still doing business, how they're doing it with the guy like Trey, who's been a pillar with their defense leading a league in sacks. You don't even have this guy suited up yet. You got to get that stuff sorted out. You have to have a chance to have some playmakers on that defense side of the ball. Joe Burrow is phenomenal. One of the best two-headed monsters at wide receiver, but the rest being the NFL has never been to win

through wide receivers. Look at some of the greatest wide receivers in national football league history that went and retired without Super Bowls. You got to win the game on the ground in the trenches. and then you're a phenomenal quarterback's going to have to make plays for you. Those players, your wide receiver is going to have to make plays for you. Absolutely. Yeah, quarterback leadership is going to have to make plays for it. But those are in moments. Yes.

And in those moments, you've got to make them. And it feels like the Bengals will always have those moments offensively. Or it'll be big, but it's like, in the playoffs, does that matter? We'll see, I get it. Well, when they went to the Super Bowl, like, of course you have to pay Joe, you have to pay Jamar, but they were on rookie deals. So they had money on the defense. That's when Jesse Bates was there.

He was like almost MVP type. He was all pro. Yeah, he was unbelievable. They had guys money to spend And obviously you have to pay Joe and Jamar That has to happen But like the T Higgins one That's why it didn't really make any sense

Just because it's like hey you do need your number one Wide Receiver, you need a quarterback You need, yeah number two But isn't Burrow almost where Josh Allen is Where it's like hey you would hope That your quarterback is going to make the guy That might not be a number two? No, yeah, but they're paying them as number one

They have two ones basically And it was very evident that they had two ones when they've been playing together, and we all assume business-wise not going to be able to get everybody done, they did on the offensive side. Did they lose Trey Hendrickson? We shall see.

Will they be okay with that? Will it work? No. All right. We've got to get to a break. Look at the weather in the cities they're going to have to go to. You're not going to win a whole lot of 49, 42 games.

Joe Burroughs from Ohio. But they can't stop the run, and they can't run it. We'll see. It's a whole new year. Yeah, you're right. Anybody's trophy. You've seen the headlines. Heard the debates.

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I didn't do with a group of five. I'd have been about 65 more teams. Sorry, but it's on there. You say the odds. Those teams, if you think like Power 4 teams' rosters change, the group of five rosters, those are just getting...

Yeah, they're minor league, brother. I mean, that is literally what it's becoming. That is exactly what it is. That's why you just got to hope if your teams in one of those, you have a class that'll come in, stay committed, maybe change your entire team, your institution, your university,

your entire setting in there. That's what we're hoping for at West Virginia. You know, like in West Virginia, we are hoping. And we're in the Big 12. Obviously, you win, you get in the tournament. It's a great place to be. We're in a great conference.

But there's a lot of these schools are going to become, like C.J. Donaldson has already at Ohio State. He's running back out of West Virginia. And it's like, we have a hard-nosed coach. We're going to have to find a class that's going to come in there, take over, do well, get paid at a West Virginia rate, as opposed to one of these other places. And then all of a sudden, our school hopefully becomes a school

that starts taking from other places. And that is the reality of the situation. because if you're a great player at a smaller school in Texas, Texas Tech, Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, you name it. The schools that were Texas Tech is like real deal in this thing, and they will be for as long as this is kind of the game.

Any place that has massive ownership is going to be in the game here for a while, and it's like learning all that shit in these smaller schools ending up, players making millions of dollars. Start out making $10,000 bucks at a place. Have a great season. Somebody sees you.

You get in the transfer portal. all right, we have a two-year $1 million offer or a four-year $1 million offer for you. It's like lives are changing from those smaller schools, but their smaller schools are going to have to figure out how to develop or they're always going to be a feeder program. It's kind of like what happened with college basketball we saw, where that FAU team that went to the Final Four two years ago

or three years ago, this year there was a player from that team that was on every single Final Four team. Like the Shanticleers, Coastal Carolina, remember when they were on the 16th or 15th team, like those guys I bet if you were to go back and look at the players on that team who played I bet most of them transferred like that kid Willie Lampkin who the next AQ Shipley that we said went to North Carolina started at Coastal like made a name for himself got good did a did one year at North Carolina then goes to the league so it's like hey for me personally as a casual

hey that's a guy who went to North Carolina ACCC but in reality he's a Coast Carolina a shanticleer and that's where he made his name for himself. On the teal field bro. Exactly. On the teal field like all those type of schools it feels like that used to be those sweet like oh wow, Coach Carolina is 20th in the country. It's like if that does happen, then you're going to see all those

guys from that 20th team unless it's a rich rod situation who come in their first year. Nine year NFL vet Derek St. Ball is shaking. Hey, it's cold world. It's a cold game. It's for, you know, kids, they got just turns to perfect. We see them commit now. They're like professional athletes at that point. What was the guy's name yesterday?

Jake Krul. Jake named, you know, basically his team of like 10 to 12, 15 people going into college. So, yeah, once you get there and you have that year, he's going to a big-time school, so hopefully he's safe. He's already done that.

It's like coaching. He did that part of the time. I know. So those are the guys you expect to be, you know, one helmet guys in college now. Now it's kind of going to be those guys going into college. It's crazy. Who is it with the Rams?

Les Needs was talking about all the guys that he drafted. They started basically on a lower level of college. and then transferred up. Hungry, he said. Yeah. So, yeah, it's crazy. It's going to be tough for those schools who aren't in that group of four.

That's an incredible... A powerful... What is that? Psychology or sociology. I don't know what it would be. Psychology, I guess. Him saying, we want the guys that one star, right? We want the one, two star guys

that made a name for themselves because we know they will always have a chip on their shoulder. That's some scouting coordinator or some scout walked into the room. It was like, We now have a new opportunity here to get a good read on what a guy's going to be. If they start at Incarnate Word and then they have to work their way through the state of Washington

and then they end up at Miami, probably a great work ethic, probably somebody who is meeting new people, probably somebody that's going to have a chip on his shoulder and probably told he wasn't good enough. Coming out of high school, think about these kids, Jake Cruel, which we are lucky in honor to be a part of these moments. Anytime that a massive situation happens like that for somebody's life, honored to be a part of that? You think Cam Ward, anybody cared what had he put on coming out in high school? No, no. Do you think whenever he was looking around at everybody else getting all the glitz and glamour, he didn't think to himself, I'm better than that motherfucker, I'm better than that mother, I'm better than that guy, I'm better than that guy. So him working his way up, that is an

indicator, I think. So then using that whenever it comes to scouting a guy, I think it's a good play. But once again, we are promoting now. Yeah. Leaving incarnate, you know, and like going to, not that you wouldn't anyways, but it's like, that is the reality of what it's going to become. got to hope your team has enough money to keep up. Speaking of, joining us now as a man who is part actually the money to keep up. Ladies and gentlemen, a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Krupp winner, and one of the biggest donors to the Ohio State University with his annual Super Dooper Cruise. And his... Oh, Carnival, yeah. Yeah, his Super duper... Carnival. Halloween.

Backyard Carnival. A.J. Hawk, ladies and gentlemen. Jay Hawk, have you heard everything we're saying here about the college football world having a feeding teams, basically? And you just got to hope that if you are a feeding team, that you have enough players in one class in one year, that you can go on a real run and maybe change things, or you've got to hope that you just get a group of dudes that just want to stick together and build a program. That feels like where we're potentially headed right now, AJ. I think that's definitely where we're headed. And think about some of these kids that are coming out of high school.

Like you're hearing kids getting offered freshman, sophomore year, like so early. Think about those kids that think they're a five-star that are talented, but they don't get offered by these big-time Division I schools. They're going to go somewhere and, like, you know, there's somebody, some parent or coach saying, hey, don't worry, hey, you go to, I'm not going to, I don't know, any kind of like, you know, mid-level school. Don't say, you have a trip.

You were about to say, don't you even. Yeah. What? I know. I wasn't going to say, I had no schools in mine. I really didn't, but I'm saying, think about it, go there. You have one good year, work your balls off. Guess what?

You're going to get called up from the Ohio states, the Penn States, the Florida State, whoever the school is you want to go to, West Virginia. Rich Rod is going to call you up. So, like, that's part of it now, too, I think. Yeah, it's a good sell. And also, I bet you that some of the coaches on those teams are saying, hey, you're going to play here, okay? You're going to have an opportunity to do really well for yourself, and there's a chance that literally next year you're seeing what guys are signing for, that you get that opportunity. We just want to provide you with that. Like, there's some schools that will take advantage of that, I assume. And they're like, you're going to get playing

time immediately here. You know, I mean, if you go back to Chidor and Travis, you know, they go into Jackson State and they start playing. They take over the entire thing. Then they take the entire show to Colorado, you know, and just kind of do the, they almost had an entire, yeah, they got plucked from a small school, HBCU, to a Big 12 school, the entire operation, not only just the player. We want the entire operations.

Bring your social media team up here. Bring the lights and sound people up here. We obviously all the coaches, anything, they plucked the entire thing up there. So it's like, I guess we have seen some situations like that really work out. Yeah, Sieg. Yeah. But then there's also the flip side of it, too, like some of those teams, like a Boston

College who is in a power conference, but like that is the exact reason why Jeff Halfley, who was their head coach left and went to go coach in the NFL. He's like, we get four guys who have unbelievable seasons, and they don't even think about coming back. It's just like, get me the hell out of here. I'm not going to the playoff with Boston College. I'll go play in the SEC or I'll go play to better ACC school or whatever. So, like, there are both sides.

adds to it. Yeah, and we would like everybody, all these kids to remember that when Rich Rod calls from West Virginia, if you're thinking about transferring and get whatever, that's where he won't be. Yeah. Okay. If you're tough, if you're not tough, we don't want you. Tough, though. We want you. I got a text from alumni of West Virginia, voice of certain pioneers. Sure. Oh, Whitey Williams. Justin Whitey Williams. And he said, Rich Rod needs to just market tough. We want the toughest dudes. That is who we want to be the toughest team in America. And I'll tell you, I'll be excited to see how it works out with how rich is, you know? Just like Coach Rule.

I guess Coach Rule is the same way. Coach Rule is like, we're not doing TikToks. We're not doing the whole thing. Like it is because other places are going to feast on that whenever they're recruiting. Like, hey, have you seen this video? You're going to get yelled at it. You're going to do this. So I think like these schools are going to have to find their niche, who they are.

But also, you're going to have to have money. I mean, that's just, end of the day, that's just how it is in college ball. Yeah, it's just like, even. just thinking about the arc now for players it's more like coaches like coaches you go to the small school to do well and then so you can leave the players you recruited to go to a better school to recruit better players to then leave that school and go to another one and then maybe you either become a Sabin or then you go to the NFL and for a guy like Jeff Halfley you know he might have thought well all my players are leaving and I'm not going to get an offer to be the head

coach of Alabama or Ole Miss because I'm the head coach at BC and my team hasn't gotten better because all my good players leave. So instead of doing that, I'll just go to the NFL and then maybe I can go NFL coordinator to NFL head coach instead of head coach of BC to head coach of Bama. Now that's what it is for players getting to the NFL. It's kind of awesome, honestly. There's two situations this year where guys went from smaller schools,

quarterbacks went from smaller schools to bigger schools and their O.C. came with them. John Mateer and his O.C. came from Washington State to Oklahoma. And then Devin Dampere and his O.C. went from New Mexico, UNLV to Utah. So it's like, that's like a feeder line too. Like, oh, this quarterback's right. We're going to bring his OC with him too.

He likes, he likes, this was like Cliff Kingsbury was allegedly going to go with Caleb to wherever he was going to go because they knew each other from college or whatever. Joining us now is a man who might have more information on us. To be honest, I don't know his college. I assume it's vast because he loves the draft. Yeah. His college alumni or? No, his college could do very well, I think, if they wanted to get into the game from our understanding.

yeah of said university i think there's a lot of money floating around that particular school 100% emmy award winner sideline reporter for monday football esbn pundit friend of the program he was boots loafer's on a ground yesterday at the jets and giants training camp ladies gentlemen yeah potentially tassas no socks either just oh my god ladies's job pierre shrague yeah how you doing brother i'm doing better great white fight today. Feeling good. Yeah, well, not only great Wi-Fi, you've had a great morning.

Hey, you have crushed this morning, and how good does it feel? Back in there in New York, we're mingling. We're at Jets Giants Training Camp. We're down in New York City at the ABC News Studios down there for a house. Now we're in our basement here doing the entire conference. It feels like we're all the way back

in the football season, Triggs. Is that how you're feeling? It absolutely does. And I'll tell you, just getting one day yesterday, just boots on the ground, seeing the Jets and Giants hit. You smell it.

It's good. Like, we're back. And I know it's a few weeks away, but these inner camp practices that are going on all week, whether it be Philly taking on the Browns, whether it be the Colts and what they're doing with the Packers,

whoever is playing right now. Of course. I have heard from so many coaches, this is better than the preseason. These practices, the ones versus ones, in front of the fans, this is the stuff where you're actually hitting and you're encouraging them to,

And it's a test of strength I'll tell you, Pat, I get excited It's early But like, the Jets' strength of their team is the offensive line They have all these first round picks The Giants' strength of their team As their defensive line

They were hitting the last two days Hitting! And I'm like, let's go We like to see the boys hit him out there in New York. You are Giants faithful or Jets? I don't want to make Giants, right? I grew up a Giants fan But I am impartial now, my friend. I like all 32 teams.

Of course you do, yeah, shaking hands. Not a human in there, no. It can't have any rooting interest in it all. Okay, so let's go to the complete opposite side of the country. And this is where I want to start with you strictly because I know how close you are to the entire situation. We all do. Matthew Stafford in this immortal portal and then him missing things where they're saying he's going to be, him being in street clothes.

And then obviously this lingering as long as it has, once again, we're still three weeks in a day. from kickoff on a Thursday night in Philadelphia, there's still a lot of time for a lot of things to happen. This seemingly lingering longer than any of us could have imagined, but the messaging is if there was to be a game tomorrow, he would play. What is the situation with Matthew Stafford, as you know it, and how does Coach McVeigh feel going into the season about it all? He's 37 years old, so there's nothing he's going to learn

in this training camp that he hasn't done, right? He's going to do it. There's not going to risk an injury with him in training camp. That said, two weeks ago, I said I had zero concern about any of this. Last week, I said, F1 to 10, I'd say one. We're now three weeks and four days from opening day, and they play a good Texans team opening day

with a good front seven. Like, I'd like to see him throw. You know, there was an expectation that he was going to play Monday. Obviously, he doesn't. The thing I'm hearing is this. They're being ultra, ultra, ultra cautious. And that Matthew, who's up to him,

would probably be out there. But they are not risking anything. He's had some pain. They're just going to let him sit until he feels he's fully ready, until they feel he's fully ready. Best doctors in the world out there with that team, best trainer and Reggie Scott. But the question is,

does he eventually get some reps in practice before week one? Because as great as we might think on paper it all is and as amazing as he was in the June and May months, we'd like to see it in August just for our comfort from the outside looking in. I don't get the sense that they're concerned about week one. I do get the sense that they were happy with how the offense looked with Jimmy Garoppolo just in case they had to go that way. Everyone I spoke to from who was there, they sliced and diced up that Dallas defense

and Jimmy was at quarterback during the inner camp scrimmages. So it's going to be an interesting one, but they're not panicking yet. Sean's not panicking. Front office isn't panicking. And from what we know of Stafford, he is one of these guys that if he wanted to get out there, we know he could tough it out. But that's not the answer you want to hear over an 18-week season with a bad back. Yeah, it's Stofford with OUGH in the middle there. We know how tough he is and its entirety. He has been. He and I and Debutts actually drafted in the same class. This is my

life. He's still doing the football. Go ahead, AJ. Shregs, is there any, is there a possibility that Stafford wants to get out and he feels like he can practice and the Rams are just being very protective of him? They're trying to look out for his longevity. I know that's the thing. people think, how's this guy supposed to play, you know, 18, 20 games, hopefully this year? Yeah, look, he hasn't said it outwards, and the Rams haven't told me that, but the fact that he was throwing on Saturday and had a session where he threw the ball 60 times, I just knowing Matthew, I think he would play if it was up to him. And he's being ultra-cautious, but I'm sure that the trainers and the medical staff are the ones advising him here,

that no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, let's be ultra-all-sure. It gets a little tricky on who wants to do what and who says what. But if it was week one tomorrow, I don't care what's going on. Matthew Stafford would have been out there. Yeah, and Matthew Stafford is special. We're watching these highlights. The one where he's looking directly at the camera, and then he's unbelievable. It gets Eagles.

Eagles, yeah. And he throws slant inside touchdown. This is in, this is deep play. What's that championship? That was the divisional round. Divisional round. Yeah, that's playoff game. Very important.

Just no look saucing at that point. It's like he is so talented. And we forget, like, they did the top 10 list. Jeremy Fowler put out the top 10 quarterbacks. And a lot of people were like Stafford's above Hertz. And I'm like, you could have your Hertz argument. Stafford is amazing. Let's not forget what Stafford did last year.

And if they're all healthy this year, what Stafford did. We don't need to do this. You're already doing first take. You're hosting. And you're already doing it. You're already starting to just pin one against the other. Okay, obviously different situations. With that being said, here's what Peyton Manning had to say about Jalen

when he was talking to Chris Collinsworth. He's on the PFF Plus Pod, I do believe. And what Peyton has to say about Jalen at this exact moment is very, very fascinating, especially because of the whole, there's two camps it feels like on Jalen, which are probably always will be. Here's Peyton's thoughts on it. I mean, it tells you all about his mental toughness, right? Because that's the kind of situation where it's embarrassing and you just don't sort of recover from it mentally or emotionally. It tells you how mentally tough that he is. And they said, you know, the first guy to high five, Tua, in the locker room, and, you know, was as celebratory after that win as, you know, all the players that were, you know, involved in the game. And you're right. I mean, he's played so well in both those Super Bowls, but I like the way he goes about it.

He calls me a lot. I'm just, it asks me lots of questions. They actually run a lot of plays that we used to run. Siriani, to Frank Wright, to Tom Moore, sort of that chain. And he calls me with very specific questions. about certain plays. So he's a student of the game. You know, there's another example. You think, I mean, he squats 600 pounds. He can, you know, run over guys. He can throw it a mile. But his appreciation of the cerebral part of the game is what's impressive to me and how he's taking his game to the next level. And I think the sky's the limit with this game.

I love to hear that. And obviously, I think Peyton probably enjoys the hell out of current quarterback's calling and asking for help because he gets a nerd out at a level that only a few can really understand. I heard you lay, I think, say, He was the Super Bowl MVP, he won a Super Bowl. He's not being disrespectful or something. It's not about what he wins on the field. It's about how everybody talks about him, Shrakes. That's what we're doing in there.

Do you feel that Jalen Hertz is always just going to be scrutinized? Just like Siriani, seemingly, always going to be scrutinized. Do you think that's just how it's going to be? And that's kind of what life is going to be like for him, even though some others might not experience the same? Yeah, it's unfortunate for him that he's surrounded by so much talent, and people look to that offensive line as the best in the league. They look at those two wide receivers as two of the best in the league.

And they look at Saquan Barclay as the best running back in the league. So you take a look at this team, and he's the one who gets kind of notched below because 2,900 passing yards. He's not going to win you a fantasy championship yet. I look at it. Biggest games. Here's the guy outplaying Mahomes in two different Super Bowls. Here's a guy who win a Super Bowl MVP makes every big throw. He's had six different offensive coordinators.

The last six times he's taking the field for an NFL or college football team. So I think it's fair for both sides. I think you're allowed to say, hey, look, this guy might not be the first overall pick if I'm redrafting the NFL right now. And he might not be a top five quarterback if I'm redrafting my quarterbacks. But you can also say he has done everything you possibly could ask for and that he is the perfect quarterback for that city, for that team, and for that coach. And you nailed it with Siriani. I think if you polled all 32 NFL head coaches, hey, who are the coaches you respect the most? in the league, or who's the coach that you think

is tops in the game? I don't think they respect Siriani either. I don't think he's viewed as a top 10 coach, despite all the success. I think they also hold the same stuff against him, but he's perfect for Philly, he's perfect for that locker room, and he is perfect for that quarterback. That's so fascinating to hear about Siriani and his

peers, because you would think that they would appreciate somebody who acts like himself and has great success, but he probably tells him, hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of that out of Siriani. Yeah, I bet he loves. that the other coaches don't who cares? Oh can I just go beat their ass on Sunday I guess yeah

yeah but you're a doofus they could say that right I think Jeremy Fowler did quarterbacks wide receivers I would love to do an anonymous poll anonymous at the owners meetings 32 head coaches vote on your peers one to 32 because we could do

it in media and we could give Kyle Shanahan and McVe and all these guys their flowers this guy Siriani every year is in the playoffs and the last two of the three is finding himself in the big game. So I respect the hell out of him. I don't know if he gets the same respect amongst his peers

that maybe he deserves. The whole media is calling for his job after wins. I mean, that is the whole group. Shreys knows a lot more head coaches than I do, but I think his peers respect them because they know what it takes regardless of what type of talent you have, what type of players you have where to get a group of guys

to buy in, especially to talk about those wide receivers, they were in the ball more than he threw the ball. So those guys got to buy him. They know it more than anybody else. Howie does a great job running that team as well, so being on the same page with him. And then the different coordinators on both sides of the ball that he's had to deal with and manage.

Like, I'm sure his peers have a high respect for that. Media, maybe not so much because day one, remember his first, you can't ever change. Less thinking more at the takeover. Peers even, too, though, with how many older coaches have gone back in, he still might not be top ten. Like some people might just, and granted, I mean, I'd be curious.

I'm one of those people, but Pete Carroll, you know, he hasn't been in for a while, but Pete Carroll's back in football. So if they see his name on a list. Exactly. I'm assuming people are putting Pete Carroll. Matt, think about it. You went and worked for him. And then he.

Mike, look, you go through Mike Vrabel's a new coach. Everyone's going to say, well, Frable is one of those guys. You're going to put Short Payton. He's one of those guys. Pete Carroll, well, he's one of those guys. Andy. You go down the list. Soon you're at three, four, five, six.

Andy Reed is definitely one of those guys. It's like, this is the way we talk about so we're not going to do the actual vote. That's what we're saying. Who's 32? Yeah. It'll never. It'll never. That's a fascinating.

Anonymous. I would like my coach too. I would like my coach. Who? No, I will never see. Okay, good. I like that. That's part of the, that's good.

Anonymous. But I would like my coach to abstain from doing anything anonymous. I would like the coach to say, nah, everything I do, I want my name on it. I would like to, I was approached to do an anonymous. vote in the locker room one time and I said nah I'd rather just put my name on it and then they told me what it was I was like I'm not doing that what was it was it for there was a vote on something you know it's anonymous players were polled on something you know he was like how could this poll actually get proper context to what this situation is to you know just so many things I

hated about like I let alone the anonymity about I don't like that at all you know I don't like now granted I know there's safeness and like uh safety and wellness for whistleblowers, okay? So I understand in the real world. Yeah. I understand in the real world we need anonymity for things. But in sports, I really hate it. I really, I don't like, now I know it has to happen to, and I know agents are doing things and there's always work and there's leverage and, you know, there's everything like that. I hate the anonymous. I know you you're an Emmy Award winning journalist. I don't do it either. Hey, I don't do that. And I'll tell you what, I came out on, I came out of the gates, ESPN, shot out of a cannon draft time. And I

It's like, I don't, I don't have a team that has Shador Sanders as one of their top guys. And I got crushed for it. Everyone's like, oh, you're killing the kid. You're going to be wrong. And that's what I'll say. I'll just tell you what I'm hearing from teams. But I'm not going to be one who's going to say, hey, anonymous source tells me this about this locker room or not. Unless I feel like it's someone that's worth a damn.

I'm not taking it from the equipment assistant to the regional manager, whatever it is. Like, it has to be on good stuff for me to go on. Those are the ones, actually. I got their finger on the pole. The best ball we have now yearly with the NFL is the report cards, because we know it's coming from the players and the people in the building. Like, and it's not a who's doing this. And once again, congratsy, Arizona Cardinals.

Yeah, right? Doing it. Cardinals went from F-minus on everything to at least couple Cs and Bs. Right. Hey, bidwil. Yeah, Big Wills. Our God. We love that out of the building.

Cincinnati. Okay, let's talk about some football stuff. Shall we go ahead, Ty? Yeah, Shrags, do we have any kind of update? on Terry McLaurin. We saw a picture from Commanders Camp that him and Adam Peters were talking to each other. He looked pretty bummed out. You know, obviously a tough situation just standing there. But like, what's going on here? I think everyone kind of assumed that this was going to get done at some point. And now, you know, we're three weeks in a day from the season starting and nothing's happening.

Like, what's going on? They obviously need him if they want to replicate what they did last year. They need him, but at what cost? I think it's a fascinating, fascinating one here because you can go in on Micah and Trey Hendrickson, and you can talk about the numbers and APY and all this. Terry McClorn is a fascinating case, and I talked about this weeks ago with you guys. It hasn't changed in that he wants a certain number, and I don't know the exact number, but it's a certain number of a certain caliber of wide receiver, and it's in that range of guys where he and his agent believe he belongs and has put the time in and has earned it and is more than just a player.

He's the locker room. He's the face. He's everything. And I think the Washington side of it is, let's be realistic here. He's this years old. What's he going to be a. sending to, are we paying them on past performance? Adam Peters,

it was with the Niners when they went through some brutal negotiations, and they usually found a way before the season started. They usually got things done. I think Adam Peters will find a way to get it done with his agent, Buddy Baker, who's an Indianapolis-based guy for many years, and of course, Terry is an Indianapolis-based guy. But right now it seems like they're a bit apart, and the guaranteed money might be the aspect,

or it might just be APY, whatever it is. they're not willing to just say, you know what, the last three years we stunk and you were the nicest guy and you were the best guy and you wore the sea, we're going to reward you and then pay you on the future. They want to pay him for what they think that they think they're going to get in the future on that contract, and I don't know if they necessarily look at him

as a Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson type player. Okay, so on that note, you think Terry was a Colts fan growing up? Of course. Man, it would be great for him to come save the team. That would be nice. How great would Terry McLauran be in the Indianapolis Colts locker room on that offensive side of the ball? legitimately, let alone playing ability, which is unbelievable.

Maybe not Malik Neighbors, which I think Malik Neighbors are going to be great. Obviously, so highlights. You told us with a straight face that Malik Neighbors ranked higher. I think he's there. Yeah, yeah. I bet you do. Non-biased, non-biased. I'm not.

This isn't the New Yorker in me. I think Malik Neighbors is viewed as a top tier going to be one of those guys. And Terry is? Terry already has been. Yeah, Terry, like, nonetheless. So you, media maybe views Terry a little bit different. Media. Yeah, media, whole, as a whole, as a whole.

You representing them all. That's what we're going to treat you going forward. Here's Terry McLaurin as a child. Wait a second, the plot thickens. Holy shit. Now, I just, I would like to let the Washington commanders know, okay, that I am just going to speak for one city. I think he can speak for about 10 hours.

I was going to add kill for the Packers to have it. But I'm just adding in the fact that the Indianapolis Colts thing, like the narrative could easily be like, hey, brother, we need your leadership in this locker room. We need you in the weight. we need you we need you and that is how terry is viewed i think by everybody right like hey this guy is the locker room guy the guy you want leader dog and also will show up and compete like he's which is why i ask you this shrakes yeah is letting him sit out there with a hoodie on looking like

an asshole a part of the leverage from the team i do wonder with that like the holdings making guys go stand out in front of their teammates in front of the fans like media is obviously taking phone photos of them and just kind of doing it, I think that goes against a lot of what these guys are naturally, especially Terry. Like, I think Terry does not want to be a distraction. I think Terry wants to be with his team. So it's like, I wonder if that is utilized as a point of leverage. Like, at some point he'll get sick of having to go out there and just stick out like a sore thumb, which I assume he does. How much is that chatted about, because that is something that never really gets talked about is like, I bet you Terry hates just like Trey Hendrickson. Like they hate that this is a part of the entire game, I would assume. They hate being fined even more.

And if they're not there, they get fined real money. And those fees cannot be forgiven. Like, those are, they used to be, all right, hold out. And then when you come into camp, we'll pay it all back. Like, that's the new CBA. Like, that's it. You miss a day of practice. You are being fine and you are going to pay for that.

So he has to be there. So of course, the team carries the way everyone in the stands is watching him sit there with a hoodie on. And they're like, well, he's just signed a contract two years ago. Why is he not out there? He makes $25 million. Is that not? The narrative starts to.

turn every single dog, you're not out there. That said, he's standing on business. And that's what the kid is so big. That is literally what he's standing on right there. If you were to look at that particular picture right there. But yeah, I assume that that I completely changed way of you, Jonathan Taylor, with the way the entire thing went. And I assume Jonathan Taylor didn't love it at all.

But we just had number four overall pick. You were one of the team's not good, brother. You get paid a lot of money. And now you're with a new quarterback. New coach, knew everything. Need you out there. Yeah, you're the best player. Got to stand no business.

That's what he did. And he got rewarded for it. So that sets a president. That sets a president out. And maybe Terry does too. For the rest of the team. His deal is, his dealless looking good. Aging will.

Yes, it is. But didn't Terry request the trade? Where are they at with that? I don't know about all that. I thought I saw that. Are you making things up right now? No, I thought he requested a trade. We're getting word from the back.

He did request age. Whoa, did he? I don't know that. Look, I know Michael Parsons did, you know, wrote the biblical scrolls, the Ten Commandments and actually came out and said publicly and did all that. I don't know if, I don't know if Terry's going to be as vocal about that.

If he did make a trade request, it was behind closed doors via his agent, and it wasn't as public as what's going on between Jerry and Michael. Okay, well, just Chris Bower, why don't you go ahead and... Don't you bring you? Kick the tires. Why don't we go ahead. Snoop a round load. Adam Schaefter, July 31st. Terry McLaurin requested a trade as Schultz report also reported.

Schultz got that one first, it sounds like. So had to pay a little bit of respect. Oh, Schultzzi yesterday. He was at Jets Giants. No, shit, yeah. That is. Yeah. If you were to tell me or ask me, who is one person you think that is definitely at Jets Giants training camp? Gun to the head. This is it.

You get it wrong. You're dead to be in the universe. They'd say that about everyone. I saw Schultzzi. He was there. Good. He's all amazing. Boots on the ground.

Of course he is. That's what Sholtsy does. But also. Oh, yeah. Shaking hands. Oh, my God. Kissing babies. Thanks for having me back, guys.

The amount of friends that are family friends that are roaming around down there, that he is known. I just report the facts. Shultzzi was there. That's all I'm saying. Boots on the ground, Shultzie. I think he's doing his own independent thing, too, right? He is.

Yeah. So you had to get in that door by himself. Good for him, man. well these independent funds eventually I don't think he kicked that thing down

I think you made me a call or two and they you know rolled the red carpet out but they've got it done still there

still there which we love that's what we love about let's do a little inside information stuff you know

what's going on in the state of cheese go ahead AP Tone yes we're talking about teams that could use

wide receivers potentially the Green Bay Packers wide receiver room is currently a walking morgue it feels like It feels like they have a wide receiver dropping every single day.

And pass. What? What was that? Not bad. Also, their quarterback is having surgery on his left hand, a non-throwing hand. What do we think the panic level right now is in Green Bay? Look, I will say this. A lot of people are like, oh, it's his non-throwing hand.

Like, it's not great. It's not fatal. It's not something that's like, oh, they're not going to go to the Super Bowl. But to not have Jordan Love in practice because of a non-throwing hand. or to not have him being his full. Like, that's not great to have that in mid-August. Last year, last year, they go week one. He gets hurt on that surface down there in Brazil,

comes back, and you could argue the entire season. He came back very soon, got back on the field quicker than a lot of people anticipated, played through injury, got them to where they were. And maybe the whole season wasn't the same way as it should have been if he was just healthy week one. You don't want to always have, yeah, but with the question. quarterback. Now, this was an avoidable thing, whatever it is. The wide receivers room sounds like

injuries here, issue here, you know, whatever you got over there. It still don't feel like, all right, go Packers. Whereas you wanted to come into this season humming on all things. Look, the response from Golden so far has been unbelievable. Jordan Love has talked glowingly of him. This is the first time they've got this guy. Is he a blue chipper? I think we're putting him on that mantle right now. We're putting him in that spot. I think we've got to see it before we say, oh, the Packers are this much better on offenses here because they got Matthew Golden.

We'll see. No, yeah, I mean, I agree on all points. I mean, the thing I won't panic about, Josh Jacobs is going to get 400 carries this year. And he didn't play in their old lines very good. So as long as Josh Jacobs doesn't, you know, break his foot, break his leg or something like that. But yeah, that's why the Terry McLauran thing,

because they always talk about, hey, yeah, this great group of young receivers, it's like, well, maybe, just maybe, they need a good veteran in there to kind of coach these guys up and tell them what needs to happen to be a good receiver in this league. I don't know. I don't know. Hold on Shregs.

It might not matter with what's going on in Green Bay or Minnesota or Chicago. Have you heard Motor City, Dan Campbell's conversation with Brad. Galley, I believe. Galley, not Brad Hulley, legend. I just said Smith. Brad Galley, local media in Detroit. Listen to this. They got two new coordinators.

They got a lot of change. MCDC still exists. Is there a bit of an edge to you at all this year with so much written about the coordinators leaving? An edge to you maybe to prove to everybody that you're still the head coach of this team, that you're still at the helm of this for five years and that there shouldn't be concerned?

Well, I think, man, it's not hard for me to find things that can drive you. I mean, I feel like that's the world we're in. That's how I was a player. That's how I am as a coach. like I'll I'll pull anything negative because it motivates me so I would be lying if I said no that doesn't you know that doesn't get me going a little bit you know that's that's the next challenge so yeah I'm excited about it but Ben's great Aaron's great no doubt but is there

part of you that says I've been here the whole time steering this ship as well well I think the important thing is and what I wanted to start this thing off with and us and the group of people were with is man it takes a village and if you want your team to like a team, then we have to function like a team as coaches, as GM head coach, ownership, management. And I think that's important. So what we do, we do as a team. And I've said this before, man, if I really did this right, I should be able to just leave and these guys don't miss a beat. Incredible answer there by MCDC in the culture. He is built or trying to build. We shall see how this year goes. Nobody really talking about the Detroit Lion Shregs. What are your thoughts?

I think there are a lot of, a lot of interested parties on how those new coordinators do perform. And I think it really goes to John Morton, who's a guy who's been coaching the league for 30 years, and was maybe a surprise pick to be the new offensive court. Of course, he had history with Dan Campbell.

But like, if you're telling me Ben Johnson is the greatest offensive genius in the last decade, and they had all these things that have been coming out of this team with the Pene Soel running in motion and Jemir Gibbs being used 100 different ways, and Jamo and what they got with Amon Ross St. Brandon, you're taking him out of the equation and you're replacing him with a new coach.

I think it's fair to question how that dynamic is going to go. And it's amazing because here's Jared Goff, who has been to a Super Bowl, has been to two NFC championship games, had the number one seed last year, has the mega contract, is an all pro bowl, the pro bowl, all pro guy. And yet year 10, people are like, is Jared Goff good enough to do this without Ben Johnson? They all have massive chips on their shoulders. and I can't come here on August 14th or whatever day it is and tell you that I think it's author turn day I can't sorry I can't come here and tell you with confidence that this

offense isn't going to miss a beat I just can't because I don't know what it is and I think Ben Johnson is that good so all the pressure does go back on to Jared golf and Dan Campbell and let that motivate you guys but gosh Ben Johnson was a very big piece of this revitalization we cannot just erase him from the history. Yeah, so is Aaron Glenn. I mean, you start doing those conversations. You start thinking about how great these guys are, but this is what good teams have to deal with.

And you talk about great teams have to deal with. And if you talk about Siriani's kind of respect level amongst his peers, he's lost his coordinators and had to do this. Patriots, I don't know if it didn't really happen often to you guys. Coordinators, it did early. And then after, then it kind of started to turn where everyone was like, Bill's assistants suck. Yes.

And then. Yeah, you're right, Mangini and Cleveland. But, like, McDaniels, Flores, Menzian, Omio Cornell, Schwartz, yeah, Crane. Like, there were a few. And some people would credit Vraibes, even though, you know, he played there. He didn't really coached for it. Yeah, I didn't really coach her. But, yeah, he still will get, like,

well, he learned a lot from Bill. Yeah, they give that. That's his treat. Andy Reid, they got the same coordinators. Well, they got all Hall of Famers, right? Yeah, Tobe. Lost Nagy for a couple years, came back, you know, Spags. Zero head coaching interviews all last offseason, despite having the best defense in the league when it mattered

and wanting to maybe get a look to be a head coach, the NFL, the rest of the 31 other owners, they know better. They don't need to interview SAG. They don't need to interview SPACs. Yeah, sir, you've already had an opportunity. We don't need to do that again. You're right where you're supposed to.

I get heated on this one. You love SPACs, huh? So do we. That's my guy. That's my guy. And the way that players respond to him is like no other. He is as great a leader of men in this league as there is. And 31 other teams just think,

nah, we're good. We're going to not even interview the guy. We're good. We're fine. Whatever. Eddie Reed, Hall of Famer, Tobe, Hall of Famer, Special Teams, and then Spaggs, Hall of Famer, on defense as coordinators. And they're all back again.

They got my own. And Travis Kelsey, and 7 o'clock tonight, big deal. Taylor Swift's on New Heights, Shanks. Yep, set the alarm. Yeah, we're on. I don't know what you're doing, Shrakes. I don't know what you're doing, Drake there. I don't know what that was, but you need to check your reactions before whatever they are.

You think your breaks at all the time? Yes. $144 million? Yeah. I don't think there's really a question. What's all time, though? Sports? Because, like, didn't Trump do one with Joe Rogan?

I feel like that's a pretty monster podcast. I mean, and maybe their entire average will jump enough for this for them to get an entire average boost that's insane, which they will for sure. Oh, yeah. They've released the stats after this was announced. They picked up like 100 some thousand or 200 some thousand followers on Instagram. Which is a gigantic number. Everybody sees like that the Rock has like 150 million or something like that.

And they're like, wow, that's what a lot of followers are. It's like 100,000, 200,000, 200,000 new. subs before something is even out is a gigantic movement. That is a big needle move. And then it was subscription to the podcast went up like 21,000 percent or something like that from where it was like four weeks ago. Yeah. So Rogan does so many people every show. I mean, it is grotesque what he does. There's also some others. I believe Caller Daddy has massive numbers. Have you gone on that yet? On what? Caller Daddy? No, I've not. She's a dog though. She's very, She is. She's a beast, man.

Yeah, absolute beast. I got a lot of respect for anybody that is able to do in this world. No doubt. I say this in a different way. But yeah, that is gigantic. This is what you've been waiting for. I cannot wait. I hope she spills some business in there.

She is a beast. Work ethic, behind the scenes. I watch that documentary with my wife of her. Completely different view of Taylor Swift. And people hate her for whatever reason. You know, she's the biggest star on Earth. So people are going to hate her. the more people that know you, the more people naturally

that aren't going to like you. But what an absolute goat roaming around. And then Travis, obviously, what a superpower is coming together type thing. And remember, they weren't actually in love. This was fake. This was an industry plant. We saw the breakup line. Yeah, exactly. I saw the whole thing. Now they're doing this. It's like, I'm a big

fan. I'm a big fan. And I believe Travis on our show said he invited to the gate, I think, like, there is a part of our show that's part of their story. So I always was hoping that they were legit. And I think they're perfect for each other's You know what's cool? Don't really show me a lot about her.

Obviously, you don't need to give it my validation. But when she starts playing at tight end university, and she's up there and starts performing for the Dan Orlovskys and all the guys that are in there. She's not selling out, you know, the Tokyo Dome here. She's playing at some, you know, hockey talk in Nashville or a bunch of tight ends talking about wheel routes. I'm like, all right, she's good by me.

I like that. Yeah, I think there was a little bit of booze, maybe. too. There's a little bit of party. And then the band also, like her walking around saying hello telling him, hey, we're playing blah, blah, blah. It's like the amount of talent that's just on display in front of you. Yeah, it's a cool thing. That is a very cool

relationship that's happening during our lifetime. People, hey, there's some people. And Taylor pokes fun at that actually. Oh, I know a lot of small, male sports fans are really going to love seeing more of me, especially on this podcast. That was good. That was a good little self little thing there early. I like it. I like what they're doing. What is you're going to say in there? T.S.12,

I guess, is the new era's new album. Yeah. life of a songwriter or something showgirl show girl have more respect please geez louise and that's not disrespectful

I'm not a diehard's with you I like her music but I'm not did you open your phone though just in the last like two days yeah I saw it but I'm not committing it to memory like it's her next album you know I'm not doing that

okay I'm not a tortured poet you got too much you got too much already in here yeah exactly I don't have any room I know I'll make some more I'll download the album sure of course I'm not committing the name of the album to memory I'm sorry right now or probably when it comes out

what about a 12 12th on the 12th one that is cool I like that gimmick I'm a little Easter at the gimmick the the scavenger hunt type very cool she gets it very committed to that too oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah setting stuff up for that long time

she's still the number one dog though like I felt like this summer there's a lot of chapel roan and oh Peter Peter you water your mouth Pink Honey Club is a You're going to bring up Taylor Not on this

Chapel Road Is the next name out of your mouth? You need to just You need to just understand She have a chip on her shoulder You know Taylor Good Lord

Yes she has a chip on her shoulder Always She's one of them She is Everest She is the mountain I can't believe you just did How dare you doubt our queen I'll just want to end

This conversation We had one more question We like Chaparone too Yes We are big big My daughter Yeah my daughter Yeah, great song.

We're talking about Taylor Swift, brother. Yeah. There's levels to this shit. Good, bro. I get it. Okay. No, you don't. I'm not questioning her.

I'm asking if right now are the kids in this moment, are they listening to Taylor? Or have they moved on because it's been a year since the last album? And she's like, I'm going to go re-get my food. They don't move on. We appreciate you, Shranks. I got nothing. Are you talking about, like, 10-year-olds? Maybe their first album will be TS-12.

Guess what? They're in. Lifetime. Just like every other generation. Gen Alpha will be in. TS12 is the first album they're listening to. Guess what they're doing. They're not waiting for 13.

No. They're going to 11. All the record that she had already are not to get broken again because Jen Alpha's coming in. And she owns all that. Back to that love story. Going right back.

Yeah. They're feeling 22 all of a sudden, aren't you, Shreggs? This is outstanding. Seriously, to watch you kind of live through this with us. But you need to check yourself. We think tonight's numbers on New Heights will be record-breaking. No doubt.

Yeah, I think we'll be record-breaking. Warranted, though. I'm excited to hear what happens. I'm excited to hear how it goes. We will say this, though, Shregs. Having you on our show is like our Taylor Swift. Man. Yeah.

Right, Foxy? Amen. Well said. I mean, I would argue he is more of the Chaparone and, like, Michael Lombardy's our Taylor Swift, but I understand what you're saying. That is a valid. White Lack, it's a good question. I mean, it kind of changed me, right?

Yeah, that is a event. But that's good, hey. I love Pink Pony Club. I love Pink Pony Club. Love it. But we're in a say, yeah, that is the same. Think highly of both. Yes, good company.

Both superstars. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Emmy Award winner. New Swifty, I guess. This guy's not a Swifty. I'm a Swifty. He's not. I don't know if he's winning any awards now that he claimed.

Yeah, that's a bad idea, brother. Wrong sad. August. I love that stuff, man. He heard Aaron say that in an answer. You remember Aaron said that to Jets on social media? That is where he heard that exact answer. Ladies and gentlemen, Peter, that is.

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Insights with IBM Watson X. That's exactly where he got that. Because Aaron gave that answer literally to the Jet Social Meeting. Favorite song. I was one of his best. He's strength? Yeah. and he's really great Wi-Fi.

Yeah, one of these today. Yeah, hard laugh into the camera. Do you know if it was a positive or a negative? He's not on the side of less Taylor Swift at football. No, no, no, no. I think he's on the side, like he doesn't care. Like Ty kind of was saying, which was very valid. I will say for the sport of football, especially at flag football,

we talk about this all the time. If flag football continues to grow and the girls and, you know, at younger age, it's like, we've got a whole new sport coming. We've got a whole new world for the NFL. The NFL is always like, we need to expand football into Europe and then, you know, globally more. It's like, what about the other half of the United States of America? We can get them playing football. And if they're playing football, they're going to love sport as much.

It's like that is a whole other growth department for the NFL and for football as a whole that I'm very pumped to see, especially as a girl dead. You know what I mean? And my girl runs a lot. We're running a lot. Everybody's running a lot at that age. Is that kind of thing? you. She's moving a lot. That's an active age, yeah. Turn your head

and she's like 150 yards. It is awesome, though. It is so, because she's like laughing while running. And just like, enjoy it. I'm like, yeah, let's continue to run. Let's not think running is punishment. Let's think running is fun. Yeah, because your dad, you see, views running is punishment. That's exactly. Me too.

It is very hard to get out there they want to do it. So, yeah, we're happy running. We're happy running. Speaking of being happy, isn't it great whenever we get a chance to chit-chat? With somebody who's not only a local boy, but also great at what he does. Hell yeah. A young stud that we learned about as being the low amateur at the 2024 Masters.

Out of the the Ohio State University. Ladies and gentlemen, friend of the program, Corn Ferry Tour golfer. Ladies and gentlemen, Neil Shippley. Hey, Lee. Hey, boys. Neil, see you guys. Hey, it's great to see you look fantastic. Are you out there on the course right now?

No, we're just sitting near the pool deck. here at beautiful Hillcrest Country Club in Boise, Idaho. Wow. I'll tell you what, golf is a good thing to be good at. Yes. You know, because the views, big head nod there. Speaking of being good at,

I have an official announcement for you, and I don't think you know this, but you might have known that it was around the corner. Each year, 20 players earn a PGA tour card through their position on the end of season Corn Ferry Tour points list. Throughout the season, the PGA Tour monitors players at the top of the list, and when they

need a certain threshold, they are declared hashtag tour band, which means they've locked up their PGA tour card for the following season. Neil Shipley, it is with our honor, and I kind of gave it away there. You have a brain, so you certainly understood what was going on and been following along. But we are so incredibly lucky to be a part of a moment that we hope changes the trajectory of your life, your family's life, and everything you got going on. Congratulations, brother. with two massive comeback wins this season. You're a top 100 player in the world now. You've officially locked up your PGA tour card.

You are hashtag Tor Bonser. Congratulations. Hey, we're proud of you. Hey, we're proud of you, buddy. This is a big deal. Wow. I assume this is something that was on your radar. And with this, obviously, becoming official.

How do you feel? Congrats, man. We're proud of you. I'm so pumped. I'm really excited to be on the PGA tour next year and get back out there. And I feel like it's where I belong. And I'm really stoked for the opportunities that are to come here. And I really appreciate you guys being a cool part of this and surprising me here.

Yeah. Okay. So surprise you. That was the thing that we were kind of presented as a surprise. And we're like, if we were Neil and you guys, they sent me this as like the official proclamation. You know, like, hey, if you want to read like an official thing, here it is. And it's like each year of 20 players earn their PJ tour card from the Corn Ferry Tours pointless. It's like that's something you guys are monitoring all year, right?

I assume that is something you're actively watching and everything as the season goes on. Yeah, yeah, 100%. It's something that we're totally watching. We have a point total in mind that we think we might get just based off previous years. So it's something I figured I was kind of past that threshold, but finally getting the official hashtag tourbound stamp is pretty sweet. thought that was nice added bonus. Thought of it about five minutes before we run live, so apologize on it not being

perfectly across your face, but we did get the point across. Go ahead to AJ. Yeah, Neil, do you have any idea how many events you will play in next year in your first PGA, your first season with your official tour card, and who are you looking forward to possibly playing with it? You may not have gotten paired with yet. Oh, you know,

I'll probably play somewhere in the range of 20, 25 events. That's a pretty typical season. So it's a lot of time on the road, but it's fun. We go to a lot of cool places on the tour. And, you know, I've really liked to, I haven't played a Scotty yet. I've gotten to interact with him a bunch, but I'd love to watch his game up close in person. He's just, he's an absolute animal. Yes, I would say from watching outside in, DeCambeau says he has the

greatest ball spin and yardage control that he's ever seen. And that is why he's different. That would be cool to do a run. Hey, you're in the same tour as him. Hell yeah, got to beat him. You're in the same tours of him. Come on. We got to hate him. We got it like two minutes before a hard out. DeBud has a question for you to. You know, PGA tour player, Neil Shipley. Since Turner Pro last year, what has been some things, I guess, that have surprised you? How much you had to add to the team being that so much more is on your plate now? Yeah, you know, it's definitely surprised me how tough it is being on the road for this long.

I mean, I'm doing, I think, 24, 25 weeks this year, and we're doing like four weeks in a row a lot of times. And I tell you when you get to week four, you know, what you eat and how you treat your body really starts to add up. So I've been paying a lot more attention to that and taking a little bit more time to rest. And I think, you know, I'm still, I'm 24. We're starting to get older, starting to feel it a little bit more every day. Yeah. But trying to, you know, get ahead of the curve there and start treating our body like I'm an athlete. Yeah, you are, by the way, at the highest level now in your particular profession.

I think 25 my metabolism started changing. I think like my body started changing. 26, maybe. I forget what it was. I used to be able to just do whatever. And then all of a sudden, it started showing up, and I'm like, yo, I'm an old man now. But you're not old. You're very young.

Fresh into a PGA tour career that we'll be speaking about for generations and generations. We're proud of you, bud. Congratulations. Thanks, Pat. Appreciate you. Ladies a gentleman, Neil Shipley of the PGA Tour. Yeah. Torbine.

Torbant. It's huge. That is cool, man. I used to watch Big Break and they give out a cue card. You know, you have to earn a cue card to get on to the tour. and there was a series of tough trials that you had to get through whether it was breaking glass and tick-tac-toe or having to chip it over a ring you know

that was a great opportunity I once you dream big break I once dreamt of being on that show something and getting a cue card you got the unduffable yeah I even bought the unduffable after watching a big break so I mean I was proud to be we were very awesome honored

to be a part of this awesome moment for Neil Shipley but I assumed he had already know. For sure. But we just stamped it officially. Yeah. Made official. He didn't win. Today.

He knew at some point. But today's the day, Neil. You did it. We knocked on the door like we're David Baker. Yeah, exactly. Via FaceTime. While he's at a country club in Boise? Wow.

That's Chuck's Club, yeah. Those golfs are great. All right. Fuck that. We'll see you. It's so bad. I didn't get a word up Muted on the way

Mugged So we That's how I'm so bad Couldn't get a word of Hey I had no idea If I wanted to transition

To like Hey we continue Or continue to give Neil His credit You know It's just Flars Yeah

It was an interesting Moment there In my brain Nonetheless He had He had to have Yeah Absolutely

He knew He knows he has No points To qualify Right So the top 20 Of the corn Ferry

Make it Get their card Yeah But then there's Like a certain threshold too so I don't know if it's... I would imagine if you win twice on the Corn Ferry Tour,

like that is putting you, you know, like there aren't a whole lot of guys, I would assume, that are winning two times. Is it just top 20 money list, Ty? Do you know? Like the top 20 money list, the winners? Yeah, and then it said certain threshold. There's a lot of wording.

Hold on, so... It's like Liv, Deschamboj. I mean, there's so many people that are trying to get that card. It's unbelievable to even hold a PGA tour card. Agreed. I think you get some good perks, too. Oh, yeah. The PGA doesn't pay you, of course. Yeah, not I get.

You got to go earn that. but I do think he gets some perks other places. You know, shopping, golf course, ain't done. What's the record here? Where's the T-Bock? Where's T-Bach? What's the record? I need a cart and a caddy. I think that is part of it.

I don't know if that. They should make that a rule if that's not a rule, by the way. Should be. Remember those NFL PA cards the guys used to have? Oh, man. What did they get you? I think that got me in trouble, actually. I think when they went through my wallet as I was being, you know,

sitting there in the middle of a parking lot about 4 or 5 a.m. in Indianapolis, and they saw that thing buried in there. I think that potentially, what do we have here? You think you're a special, huh? Is it like one of those Mustang cards we would walk around and sell to fundraise in high school? You go to subway, get 10% off? Oh, those were awesome. Those were very cool.

And we had a guy at West Virginia, Adam. I apologize for getting your name, brother. Name was Adam. He was like entrepreneur. at college. Always hustling. Always hustling. He all had one. He had these wristbands that he was selling that were like those discount coupon books. So you get a wristband, you buy this wristband, and obviously you get a deal at like, you get ice cream for this amount of price. You get this at this certain thing. At this club, you get this amount of dollar amount for beer. At this

restaurant, you get chicken tenders for free with this order and he was like he sold these wristbands. Genius idea. I mean, it was absolutely. Genius. I wonder if the PGA has a wristband. Is that the NFLPA cards like? No, the NFLP. You got to wear this wristband 24-7 that this guy sells you? Like, who's doing that? To be clear.

You're going to a restroom. I would like to let everybody know. I did get $40,000 out in loans in college at a 28% interest rate. Pretty solid, right? Okay, so I did do that. I did have access to funds when I was in college. You need the wristband. I did not wear wristband full time.

But I did respect the shit out of wristband. you know like if he was having an event and we were all going to her a party I would certainly get wristband support through the entire thing but yes people were wearing it all day it was back in wristband time though live strong and live strong people were doing it

balance bands it was good idea but the NFL card was like a student card that you would have at like universe you could yeah you can go you get into a lot of places like a lot of guys were using me like getting the club skip lines

I was always the guy I never wanted to show something to somebody and then get embarrassed. So I would never do it, but people tell it who you are, you know, whatever it is. Certainly wanted to be with a group that had one person in it that did, though. Oh, yeah, for sure. There was a couple moments getting into clubs

or various establishments where, boy, this looks like a long time getting here. We are not known enough to stand here and get the attention to get in here. But boy, if somebody in here would go up there and do the asshole thing. that would be great. And I would always try to mingle away from where this was happening.

And then I'm trying to sneak in last second. Always going to have to be a, yes, he's with us, with the, because I have been cut off that, yes, he's with us. Because that's how far away I wanted to remain from the usage of the card. One of these before? That was the, optically, it was the worst thing of all time. And it looked bad. I mean, but when it worked.

Do you need that guy, though? You do need everyone, every group needs that. guy. Hey, you got to take a swing. We are going to spend a lot of money in here. You can't, yes, I can tell you, personally, what I can promise, what you can promise, I will be buying a lot of things for a lot of people

if we were to get in there. We will too, right? Yeah. And I think that was always the message. Got a couple thousand bucks. Oh, man, what a time. So he's got one of those now. Yeah, I've heard that about the tour card. Like, growing up, that was always what people said, but I never knew if it was true.

They don't pay for golf anymore. No. I assume they don't. Scottie said he hasn't paid. He was just asked that he wasn't paid for a round. Someone's, even if they don't, even if you're not a really well-known PGA tour guy, I'll imagine your caddy or manager is going to call the course you want to go play. Somebody's taking a car.

Yeah, can you imagine showing up if you are a PGA tour golfer? A lot of people don't know by looking at him and you think the guy's like, all right, $625 for green speed. Like, oh, well, I was told. Not even that. They send you out with a play with a guy who's like a 30 handicapped. You're right. Need you out there

with a member. Need you out there with a member. Golf is a good thing to be good at. Oh, yeah. And as I grow older, that's becoming more and more evident. I like that Niels from a cold weather state. I can't stress how difficult that is. It's always Texas, Florida, or California. He didn't move

by guys the high school? He might have. I don't assume he had to know. He went to Central, right? Oh, yeah, he was Central Catholic High School. And Oakmont was his place? he's there now yeah like that's really impressive I was guys stick together too that's what keegan Bradley said he's like I'm I'm just I'm a north you know northeast golfer like I take a lot pride in that just because I'm not from a Florida now's before sim now Neil Shipley might have been in sim yeah definitely and he's traveling to all those junior tours he also went to

Ohio State yeah could have went to a warm weather college and chose not to yeah could be could have chose a little bit easier route now spring is you know yeah and he's an Ohio boy so he grew up with a Buckeye in his head. Pittsburgh. Speaking about Ohio, don't give him to Ohio. Have you been following LeBron's golf journey?

Hand up. I love that he's golfing. I love that he's golfing. His swing, the first time he stepped out there, I love that he went for it. You know, LeBron has watched others golf that he is viewed as less athletic than him. And I'm not saying he's saying that

outwardly, but in his brain, he is watching people do this. I just need to do what they do. probably watched a lot of film and he committed i appreciated how he committed to swinging really really hope that first couple times but him getting the bug him loving wine it's like you can see the you know you can see it all coming together jordan arc it's been it's been playing at night planning the rain all the shit that you know everybody when they catch that bug and when he was actually here after the uh lebron conversation i asked him and steve like hey you guys

played golf, neither one of them had played golfing to that point. So I'm going to tell my grandkids, I got LeBron and the golf. Okay. Hey. You should. Hell yeah, Dee Bob. Thanks for doing it. Hell yeah. Bryce. You're where you're working. It's a needle mover. It's a needle mover. Bryson D. Chambot, all he's trying to do is spread the game. All he hopes is one kid picks up a golf club because of what he's doing. Keep working, Bryce. Keep working. One day at the time. He's coming true. It's unbelievable. LeBron golfing's good for golf. Yes. Yeah. Golf is good for golf at this.

point it feels like just people doing it you gotta commit a lot to play golf gotta commit a lot time LeBron's a cruise around the rider cup like Jordan always does with this year he should go that would be interesting would they have two cards or they share a card

they're not they're not he's still playing maybe golf is what United together LeBron we saw him okay if they have a golf cart that's custom maybe he's sitting next to someone and Jordan also 6-6 Exactly. They're so fucking huge that you can't sit.

Like, I'm looking at your golf cart. You could probably fit in something like they could fit in something. In the back seat. Yeah, together like that, but shit. That's like whenever Shaq was doing that Buick commercial. Yeah. Yeah. Come on.

I hit my knees off the steering one. You were literally a foot and a half tall. Don't lie. No, they took out the back seat. Oh, okay. I'll buy him. No problem. He's so.

They're coming to. ESPN, right? Yeah. Licensed through ESPN. Yep. Like that. How do we think that's going to go? Great.

I think so, too. Still all the same people running the show, right? Yeah, and I think there's enough respect from the execs at ESPN. Not to metal. Same amount of time they get? They get their same amount of air time? I don't know. I have no idea.

I was, there's like memes. I've seen like memes and stuff and like different tweets. I don't know what's real and what's not been. That was what I read in an article. It was like, is ESPN going to be okay with doing like floating breaks for that because sometimes they'll talk for 30. minutes and not go to a commercial now i don't want to insert us into their conversation but see shows completely licensed by ESPN created fully controlled by outside entity and also with no

commercial breaks and the ability to float commercial breaks being brought to the network and executed and profitable and seemingly technically easy to accomplish feels like their entire shit should just be same as is should be that's why like the panic I appreciated the panic and we had a bunch too I mean we were attacked I was attacked heavily when I was like hey show is getting licensed

through ESPN this is great news never forget we're about to showcase that you can do a different style of sports you know about celebrate shit on this thing wow blah blah blah or people are like you fucking piece of shit everything you stood for it was worse than that

there's a lot of mean things there's a lot of mean things being said to me it. Now, granted, has our show changed? Maybe. Would our show have changed anyways? Yes, we're growing. I got a baby grown out. Yeah. AJ's got terrible hair. Whoa. I like AJ's hair. I like his hair too. I like where it's going. I like that it looks like his head's getting a little bit of a hug. You know, it has a little bit of fur. Yeah. I like that that's happening. There's going to be a lot of these stages that he gets to where we want him to go, which is the very, very long. Put a hat on. Why does everybody always just say ESPN's going to

to ruin shows that are created and I guess because they did because they did for a long time. Yeah and there was a lot of up for us it was like a lot of leaks and stuff like a lot of this guy should get canceled. They say the F word. Remember that show? Oh yeah early early on that was

the awful announcing every every day after the show. We're disgusting. Like everything about us is the worst of all time. ESPN or that's been there for 23 years is anonymously said anonymously said obviously keep the safety of the person, that this is disgusting,

despicable for ESPN to have this show on, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. It's like if you consider that trying to ruin a show, which you could, you know, turn off future fans, advertisers, you can publicly kind of try to get in the way of something

having success. And we certainly experienced that, I would say, in a very high volume, I would think, with the entirety of it all. That's settled in. a little bit, I think. Oh, yeah.

I mean, a few weeks ago, I guess there was another one. Great, thanks. Really cool to do. But I think they have enough respect for inside the NBA that it will be like, we're lucky to have them almost. You know what I mean? As opposed to, we hate all the people that don't matter. I mean, I've said this a lot, but you get it.

All these people that don't really matter, but they have a little bit of power in Bristol. Like, they don't like, you know, potential change. But maybe we're at a point where they understand it, like bringing in inside the NBA is, actually a good thing for the future of the network. Bringing in maybe like a podcast

type show to the network is maybe a good idea. They had to. Maybe so they could be on the, in the podcast world. Catch up, man. You know, in the whole entire thing. You know, billions of dollars. Billion dollars. Oh, yeah. So whenever you...

Out the dough. Sorry. Mother fucking, bro. What came in, though? Well, in their eyes, a lot of terrible things. things. So that is what you think is not going to happen with, I think will not happen with inside the NBA. So I think it's going to be great. I think show is going to thrive. I think it's going to be fantastic. And a lot of people talk about the Stephen A thing getting inserted in there. Like, you don't think Stephen A going in there and battling with Shaq and Chuck

every once in a while. And I'm not saying this is going to happen. I don't know any information. You don't think Chuck and Shaq and Kenny and Stephen A going at it throughout the NBA season is a good thing. I think that's good thing. I don't think that's a bad thing. People are Like, I don't want to see more Stephen A. It's like, I wouldn't mind seeing Chuck Charles Barkley and Stephen A. Yeah. I wouldn't mind. Also wouldn't mind like seeing Perkin them go at it.

Like, they've gone out of it publicly. Yeah. So it's like, hey, now you can have it on the same set. Like, that is a good, will be good TV. And also, I guess alongside Game Day, I think kind of viewed as like greatest sports shows that have really ever happened. Definitely. I think. You know, I don't know how many of those there are, but you get that as,

the conversation they're talking about. So I'm excited for that. That's a long way away. Long way. It's funny you should say that because I was kind of looking at the NBA because when we were done with the show yesterday, they were just talking about all the games that are, you know, the opening night game, blah, blah, blah, yeah, the next, the first week of the NBA. They're off season two is, I mean, they're October, the third week of October.

I was going to say once football season starts, you're really like a month out from the NBA starting. But you're not really because it doesn't start. Well, true. Exactly. Let's talk about sports, though, that are currently happening that we care about now, and we've got to remember that. Baseball, you were out on the Yankees, what, three days ago?

We're back? Yeah, before the Twin Series, and they've won two in a row. So, yeah, right when I'm out, they pull me back in. Yes, they do. The Yankees are sucking you in, aren't they? They are. But, yeah, we got some pretty close races in a couple of the divisions here. So, I mean, again, there's still about a month of baseball left,

so there's still quite a bit left. But now it's kind of things come into focus and you realize like, okay, these are the teams that are really going to make a run. A lot of these teams are out. The Brewers are the best team in baseball by kind of a wide margin right now. They've won 11 in a row currently. They just continue to win. I think they're the first team since like the 1935 Cubs.

They've had I think three separate 10 plus game winning streaks this year. So, yeah, I mean, same deal. You know, we've talked about how with football. right now, like, it's awesome. He says the Buccos. Yeah, they stink. They absolutely stink. The bottom center of the graph.

It's okay. But if you don't want to just watch preseason football or you want to watch, you know, the first or second series, there's still a lot of good baseball game. Okay. How's Shohay doing? Pretty good. He actually hit into a triple play last night, which is very rare. Doesn't happen a whole lot.

This guy's even... But then he came back and hit a game time home run in the ninth inning. The Dodgers went on to lose, but, you know, and he's also, you know, kind of wrapped up in some legal issues right now. But Tony looked into those yesterday post-show, and it sounds like those are largely bullshit. Bumbo-jumbo. It doesn't feel like it's his fault.

Okay, love to hear that. Shohay, we need to start protecting Shohay, legit, okay? He's got special talent. We can leave that to Japan, maybe. Okay, so what I'm looking at a score of my brewers and the parts. Is this real? Yes, that was yesterday. Skeen started, too.

What? He only gave up, like, four earned runs, and they could kind of see. They gave up 10 runs. Oh, yeah. After Skeens came out, bullpen came in and just fucking... They were the best team in baseball by... A wide margin.

Wait, didn't they win 11 straight games and they almost had to give hamburgers or cheeseburgers? Correct. That was earlier this year, yeah. Yeah, but now they're on another 11 game win streak. Yeah, tonight. They're going for 12 tonight. So if they get 12 tonight, it's the burgers. The burger story?

Yeah, the burger store. The 170,000 burgers? What was the number? It was some of you? I think it was like 150,000 or 100. In 1960 or 1970 or something like that? What was the family's name? So if they win tonight, we're back on Burger Watch?

Yeah, if they win tonight, that'll be 12 straight. They're playing right now. What's the score? What's the score? Who's pitching? Is the Mizz on the bump? Mike? Because he wanted to know.

The Mizz plays for the Brewers now? Same level of aura, different profession. This is Young Buck. I've been followed. Voted into the All-Star game and everybody was pissed off about it. Miss Keller versus Brandon Woodruff. Okay. So no, it's not.

the miss. And I don't know which team either of those guys are on, but Mitch Keller's on the Buccos. Yeah, he's the old dog. Oh, they're playing the Pirates for the burger? Yes, they are. Oh, no, this goes down in history. Yeah. If they win. Yeah, it will. It's remembered forever against the Pittsburgh Pirates.

No one outside of Milwaukee will remember it. But if the Pirates... No, whatever, it will be talked about. We talked about... Best team involved. Pires. Happened in 1960-something, brother. No one outside of Milwaukee cares about the burgers. We talked... What I'm saying is... I'm not getting a free burger. Are you? no but I'm saying in 30 years from now when this happens again they're going to say this happened was against guess who the Pittsburgh pirates that's what's going to happen and I wouldn't say that Tony because if the brewers win today I'm going to go to a restaurant up near my house and demand a free burger I don't know which one's going to be to do it yeah also to the point of this will be history for the brewers I mean the pirates win this game they could damn near hang a hang a banner they could call this well like a pennant maybe not a world series the no burg

Yeah, the no-bird pennant. We're the only burg. Yeah, the only burg. Yeah, they're actually going to call it. I heard the Pitts Burger giveaway. Oh, no. That's what I heard. That's a great name for it.

I don't like that. I'm just telling you what I'm hearing. I'm talking to people in Milwaukee. Mitch will shut them down. Don't worry about it. Come on, Mitch. Throw the fucking stinky cheese. Throw that.

Who else do we know in the brewers? How are they so good? The other pitcher that we like? Yeah, McGill. He's dog. Yeah, Trevor McGill. goes gas, but they're really just kind of like you, I mean, Christian Yelich is probably

they're, I know him. Yeah, but they're a lot of young guys who just, they just manufacture runs, they have very good pitching and their bullpens very good. So it's kind of like, I mean, they just, they just win, baby. Team ball. That's Brewers baseball. A lot of baseball. Good sport. They're good to us. The MLB was very good to us.

I'm very thankful for them. Let's make sure we continue to remain updated on baseball. I'll keep watching. Tell the Yankees are eliminated. Tell the Red Sox. Yeah, but you told me that you were out on the Yankees. Yes, I did. He said to me, AJ, worst collapse I've ever seen. I'm not watching every damn game of the Yankees anymore.

That's what he told me, right? Yeah, I said that on Monday. Now what are we doing? Twinkies came down, baby, and Yankees on the twins. Two in a row. Judge, you hit a homer last night. John Carlos Stanton was four for five. He's running the bases.

He's got an elbow? playing outfield too he is hard in a pistol right now so okay yeah yeah he hits it 150 miles an hour every single time he's up even if he is gets even gets out he hits it so fucking hard the glove's gonna feel it if he's out yes yes or he's gonna strike out and if he let go of his bat it would fly out of yankee's he swings so fucking hard every single thing it's awesome and that's why we love him and that's why i love him exactly and because he is so slow so slow anything else uh and once again that's why we love him um john gruden about to get a lot of money from the nfl is kind of how it sounds i guess this

will be held in uh in front of a judge in a courtroom supreme court yeah no it's going to get moved to the supreme court i guess it's going to get appealed up there but i guess the first ruling is one that is very much favorable for john gruden or discovery will happen public information will take place. So they were trying to get this behind closed doors, I do believe, if you were to break these downs. But instead, a judge is deemed, nah, this is to go through public. And it is interesting to think about how this all plays out. Okay. Very, very interesting. John Gruden, I think, obviously got fired, kicked out, banned from the NFL in life for using homophobic slurs in emails in 2000 and... 14? I forget what it. What it?

We don't know the exact year. He gets kicked out of the league whenever this whole thing is fired, I believe, with cause. So his contract, which was over $100 million. I mean, it all ended for him. He was the only person out of these hundreds of thousands, $600,000 plus documents. His emails were the only ones that were made public. And then obviously he's fired and his life goes the way it goes. It's crazy.

Yeah, it is a wild scene. It is certainly a wild situation. As it was happening, it was wild. now looking back on it it's crazy to think about and now with this ruling it's like I think the NFL is very much like wait a minute

a guy who has committed his entire life to football and to the NFL is now at a point where he can potentially tell them okay if you guys are just comfortable with all these things that are in these because there could be business stuff in there I mean there could be like 600,000

Discovery is a wild thing just as somebody that has been sued before by Brett Forf This is the whole conversation was basically like holding over like you you want what else you got you want discovery you want discovery to happen and I was like yeah whatever what do we what does this meet and they're like they have the right now to look through what evidence would be and evidence is anything they deem possible so any of your text messages any of emails and then just have to be text messages that are directly pertinent to the situation because you might have conversations with other people. about that as well. So it's like the amount of things that discovery can get into everybody's going to learn about you basically is what is the scary thing for people that are potentially going in it. Now John Gruden is going to have the same exact situation. They're going to be

operating discovery against him as well, which is why I assume what the NFL is saying in this entire thing. But how many things are saved from 2014 on John Gruden's side, let alone, you know, this is, I assume, something that'll get. Yeah. I think. And, and And I honestly don't know what that number would be. I have no idea how that goes. We'll probably never know if I assume. Winkle vases. Especially with Goodell understanding that Gruden is football.

Loves at the NFL can't afford to have anything get out. Yes, I agree. It's a big, big. Brun knows that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And on the flip side. With all the owners and. Like, they're doing a lot of selling.

to Gruden, like, we built this league. Remember, we love this league. Gruden's like, I did, man. Yeah. You ruined my life. I learned a lot about this league, man. We. You know, and it's the entire thing.

It's like, we to him. He should ask for a percentage of the Raiders. Yeah, I mean, and remember, Davis was not happy about this. No, he was pissed. He has a whole other side. There's a whole other angle to it. Why don't you ask them, yeah, I don't want it. Yeah, I do want everything out, actually.

Ask them, and he was on. This is a wild situation, though. This is a big deal for the NFL. I think he definitely coaches again. Do we think he coaches the NFL again? What do you think he does, Belichick? I think he's college. I think college, yeah, SEC.

Because he can run the entire. Just like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and we heard whenever he was coached, he was general manager anyways. I mean, what would be really cool is full arc to this thing. They signed Pete Carroll to a three-year deal just to establish the culture and then bring in the younger guy. And John Gruden's, that younger guy they were planning on?

on three sports report it which by the way respect their work I've been keeping up with that they've been helping me out a lot as I prepare

going into the season and their great follow I believe rivals in them are partnered John Gruden expresses desire to coach again while talking

to Georgia Bulldogs this is via Barstool Gruton which is an incredible social media account I'm being honest with you I do not bullshit either I won't coach again man I die of coaching the SEC

I would love it I would fucking love it there's a couple of schools that might need he uh he's at SEC football. Someone's going to snatch him up. Someone has to. He loves ball.

Love him as a recruiter. Imagine him recruiting. Loves coaching. Just loves all of it. All of it. Yeah, and even when he was cast it off from the world, still every morning, we're watching tape, man. We're watching tape, man. I assume there is some jaded feelings from Gruden.

And also, there's a lot of people that say, hey, he did something that's worthy of a huge punishment. I get that. But him and the NFL are going to need to coming to the table put our swords down and I think John Gruden's he's acting as general manager before

I think he understands a little leverage I think he does too I don't know if John Grun is going to be putting his sword down I think the NFL might need to put their sword down on the table. John Gruden might be handing his sword to Jay. Hey go stab Goodell in the face. You know for me.

I will say he also has a fantastic social media. He does Uh-huh. He doesn't mind sir in the pot. He brings it. He does bring it. He does bring it. You know what, actually, NFL, why don't you just release Jay Gruden's emails? I love to see Jay. That'd be cool. Why don't we just do the Gruden family?

That's a wild thing. The discovery thing is the move. That is the, that is always the, nobody wants to start. Going through the entire Brett thing, it was like, huh? Well, it shows you who the bad people are. Yeah, I'm cool with it. What do we? Exactly.

Let them know, sweet. I feel like my life is monitored 24-7. I am a, okay? Yeah, but what about conversations you had in text? I feel like my life is monitored. Yeah, but what about your text messages? I feel like my life is monitored 24-7. So they can discover whatever the fuck they want to discover.

Are you sure? Yes, 100%. All right, we've never had anybody this confident. We let them know. It's like, go ahead, do it. I've lived legitimately, and I think Nick will tell you this, since, I don't know. maybe my rookie I don't know just I feel like people are just watching

everything you do and it's like I honestly believe you should operate in that fashion like hey you are getting watched and followed the thought that his emails were the only ones that were released but also how loose people were in emails it's like that is

I was like old people text messages yeah that was like the evolution I guess I mean it started with letter you saw Lamar Hunt's letter oh my God second boy the point like we get rid of this fucking guy yeah please you think jerry jones likes john grude

not right now i'd say he is probably one of the ones telling giddell we don't give him a fucking doll i'm just trying to connect dots because you know um we we love sam pitman we love drinking cold beer but there's a rumor that you know this could be the last year at arkansas so if jerry's got any respect for john john grude in arkansas woo pig suey Holy shit With that fan base That'd be perfect And I assume

Yeah do they have money I don't know I don't what he's saying They did for basketball Cal Perry That's the problem They might have gave all the money They might have picked

Who else? They got John Daly They got And Cal You can't pick basketball Over football Orkansas No you can't

Do you see Florida No I don't be No I don't be You just want it Some of these teams They Football Isn't Arkansas

Good at baseball They're good at everything, though, but football, I thought, when it comes to those sports. Didn't they have promised there football there for a little bit? They did for sure. I mean, especially when, who were the two running backs? Darren McFadden and Felix Jones. Who was the recent quarterback? Matt Jones, a quarterback?

No, rest and peace, Ryan Mallet. Had a chance to have a good time of Ryan Mallet in Arkansas, which on daily. Feels like that is the night that we should always look back on with high, high. remember he was so cool to me yeah everybody i think super cool great vibes great vibes all the time Arkansas though that is a fan base i think that is very much committed to k j jeff hunger there it is k that's his name kj je jeff uc yeah yeah yeah yeah boom it is john gruden in arkansas that would be crazy i'll burn too they don't have a good year get hugh out and you know you watch the i ccc

documentary? Exactly. I think Gruden would do well in Auburn. Would you want them to do another SEC documentary? I absolutely would. I am realizing that I pounded the drum very hard for the show and I stand by that. But while talking

about it, there are some parts of the show that suck that I might have been on my phone for. Okay, this is background. We're watching. No, no. There are very specific parts. When it's not the football and it is the interviews of the college football historians if you will

one guy gets a lot of play a lot of play and he knows who he is and he knows that probably after he said to himself I hope they don't use too much of me because I don't know if everyone's going to love me on the show

does he feel like a self-worker? He is the worst he's the only one in every episode put you to sleep yeah me too he's the only one in every episode but the football stuff the players the coaches, that stuff is second and not. I love that. I got a long flight coming

up by playing on watching that. The longest flight available. You'll know when you see them. Actually, that's what it is. It's crazy. It is crazy. Some moments in games they could have talked about, too. I agree. Some moment, that's the other thing. We talked about how they might have avoided big

calls that were either missed or not talked about. And then when you look back in the SEC, the biggest moments you think of are typically with Georgia and Bama and Ole Miss and those three teams weren't featured on the show. Like they had the Bama Vanderbilt, which was sick because it was all

the Vanderbilt. Celebration. Side of it. Yeah, like them leading into the game. Them losing to Missouri. I forgot about that when Missouri was seventh in the country and Vanderbilt goes in and loses in overtime on a missed kick. Like they probably should have beat Missouri too. There are many things throughout the

thing. One of the things we talked about the LSU team is we wonder if they did more stuff with Kyron Lacey. But Karen Lacey passed a before the draft this year. So, like, did they just cut that entire section out? Because the times of episodes is interesting.

Some of them were an hour. Some of them were 50, kind of similar. But then there was two 35s, I think. Interesting. Yeah, which never happened. I like, though, not. I like keeping an idiot guessing game. Yeah.

I like, hey, this is what it's going to be. I haven't had a chance to watch it. I like it. I like all the documentary sports stuff we have. Obviously, hard knocks is happening right in front of our eyes here. Quarterback, obviously, new season of that. that SEC out there. The basketball stuff that we just kind of skip by,

a lot of good clips are coming out of that shit. That's got to be coming out sometime soon, right? The one they did this past year with Tyrese. That's going to be very... Early October, I think, was right before the season starts. And then the, did you say the Jerry Jones Cowboys won? Oh, yeah. It's coming out August.

19th, next week. Things get quiet. I just like to stir it up. The Cowboys are always going to be a part of your life. Do you think this Not getting into it Let's get out of here It was a good day

What's the hell of a good day What happens? I have Throughout my life I've had respect For certain Business people Mm-hmm

Okay Steve Jobs Top of the list Up here Okay Bad Dad I get it Everything else You're welcome

Basically in the way He didn't build it I'm so Okay All right Let's all relax with that Jerry Jones was one of the guys that I viewed as a business person. Like Vince McMahon, obviously everything that's come out, that's the personal side.

But business-wise, what he did and how he did it and what he created, it's like this dude is a fuck. Now, once again, just like with sometimes these very high-level people are going to have other traits that aren't necessarily the greatest in everybody's eyes or whatever. But it's like Jerry Jones was a trailblazer, like when it came to football ownership and ownership of sports teams and everything. everything like that. So I've got massive respect for his story and how he goes about doing his business and what he made the Cowboys into. And obviously they're the first ever sports franchise to be valued at over $10 billion. Now I believe there's a few others that have been valued up over $10 billion. The Rams in L.A., the Giants, obviously, in New York, New Jersey, and the Dallas Cowboys top the Sportico list. Now, Sportico I got a lot of respect for. I appreciate

Sportico. I've also seen Internet things try to predict valuations or net worths and things like that. not have a clue what they're talking about, but it seems as if everybody kind of just thinks this is on board, especially if you go with the comps, with teams that have been sold and what other leagues are doing, yada, yada, yada. So it's like I've always had respect for what Jerry has done as a business person. Building up the most valuable sports franchise on earth is obviously an incredible feat as somebody that is in the sports world. Okay. With that being said, like the last five years, 10 years since we've been doing the show really, it's like there's a lot of like what are you doing like what

you know like there is in there a lot of that and it's it's like I've always viewed him as like yep Jerry will get like just like Bill Belichick Bill Belichick will figure it out like that is Bill Belichick signed somebody Bill Belichick will figure it out like there's certain people like I view Jerry like that like Jerry's doing this for a reason like there is a reason Jerry's doing there's been some shit

though that has popped up on more regular basis as of late it's like this feels dumb why would you say this because you lost this fastball and I guess that's what Dallas Cowboys and other people but I just want to I think I'm late to the game and asking that question strictly because I've been like this guy, this guy is a, he's a fucking gambler, he's a fucking, he, he's a pioneer. He's a, and he's got to respect that.

Yeah, he's unique. He obviously is not perfect. There's a lot of things that he has done that are not perfect, but he's a fucking, he goes for it, you know, which I respect. And it's like, as of late, it's like, man, a lot of dumb shit. You know what I mean? You got to respect. We're football, former players, so we know, we know what, okay, it doesn't add up when it comes to winning. The business part of it, though, you know, you can't knock it at all.

And what I respect more about them, because we were down there with Cotton Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. Or Texas, Ohio State. Texas, yeah. And, like, just how much of his family is ingrained into the business. I respect that. We saw what he talked about in Landman, but he really lives that shit.

So I definitely respect that. But the last five, ten years, we see so much more. We have so much more access into not only what's going on with the Cowboys, but what's going on with everybody around different. leagues you know everybody has their inside oh we're in a war room here this deal is getting done here so now we're on the pitch at burnley yeah we're in all exactly we're everywhere now so now you see that compared to what jerry's doing it's like okay what the hell is he doing and he's always like he said he likes to stir it up and then you look at the valuation it's like all right that's that's what

it's working everything he's doing is working AJ legit but the cowboys are always going to be you know prime time big name hopefully right but you don't think that could ever be tarnished right to where, like, we understand the Cowboys haven't had the success they want, but they're always going to be, like, that franchise, don't you think, even long after Jerry? I don't know. How many Cowboys fans do you know? I think Cowboys fans are, like,

really Cowboys fans. Yeah, but the NFL, the NFL also loves Dallas. Like, the NFL is never going to want the world's most expensive franchise to start turning the other way. We'll have to see, though, because he's one of one. So, like, after he passes away,

like, I get it to his kids, and they've been around, They've worked with him a lot, but we'll see how much things change. Yeah, how much shit are they going to stir up? Right. Don't forget about AIJ. How much shit will change? He was one of the first AI's holograms I've seen in a wall. Yeah.

He's got the blueprint for what everyone else has tried to do, though. Like, where does it go do you think when it comes to like stuff around the stadium, like the Jerry World own it all? Like, is there another step to that? Because the Cowboys are already there. Casino is the move. If you can get a casino. I don't know if anybody's

haven't been able to pull that off. Texas, no, that was the whole Dallas Mavericks. No, but I thought New England was trying, right? Wasn't that the thing? New England was, like, trying to get a casino in there, I think, at the time. Yeah, and then they put in the first ever casino in Massachusetts. They did put in, like, five years ago, but that's by Boston. Yeah, there wasn't a, I think every, the goal.

Yep. Would be hotel, restaurants, shops, casino, state. Yep, yeah. I think that would be the goal. Is that. is it legal I see I thought players were a

conflict of that's a great question Wasn't the thing with the NFL guys was if if like if the Colts went to New England New England players couldn't gamble out of casino

in New England but the Colts players could Well that's a college thing I think The different kids from different colleges weren't able to gamble In the state in which they went to college I think New Jersey had one of those

There was, oh, that's for sure. Yeah, there was another one. I forget what it was. Yeah, I thought it was an NFL player thing. Yeah. Yeah. Some say, as a, like, a human being, you're not allowed to. I forget what we are a lot.

Connecticut is that you can't bet on you, Yukon. In the state. We weren't allowed to take any free rooms or free drinks, I think, is like the rule. We were allowed to play blackjack, but we weren't allowed to accept any of the benefits. Oh. I think was the rule. If I remember right. When you're in the league or in college?

In the league. Yeah, I don't know. It was a good question. Because at one point, Tony Romo wasn't allowed to go to a fantasy football convention. Then they changed the rule because of how big that story got pretty big. Then there was like a rule change where it's like you're allowed to go to a casino and play blackjack, but you're not allowed to get the free room or something. Like I forget what the, because I was very interesting.

That was a gombler, I would say. I had a craps table underneath my kitchen table in my first house. You know, like I enjoy trying to strike it big and trying to win. But I also don't want to lose my job because of it, you know, like scratchers, shit like that. Colts had scratchers. I was one of my, I asked a question in a meeting, and Chuck came out to me the next day and was like, do you like it here? I was like, yeah. So let's not fucking.

How come I can't get a scratchoff? Coats are allowed to have a scratch off. Why am I allowed to have a scratch off? I think I could do great in the scratch off industry here in Indiana. I can just get with the state lottery, get scratch off, support them and gas. stations, I think I'd do well with that. Colts are allowed to have one. I'm not allowed to have it. Why is that?

We'll get back to that meeting. Obviously, keeps moving. Chuck, literally. Hey, come on. Jesus, Christ. Just, just stop. It was fucking all. I laughed so hard whenever he said. He's like, why? Just we don't need that. Right. Scratchers.

Scratchers. Just fucking keep buying them. Shut up. You're right, dude. but it's always been sports and gambling has been like very yeah but it's also like society now yeah it's an interesting that's just like weed too man you know you talk about like weed whenever that was happening colorado you could smoke weed legally as a citizen there but in the united states of giddell you could not and like don't even think about it don't even think

so what your entire neighborhood can and it's right there across the street and all out in our league but not all i do it now like as it's becoming more and more it's like they've lowered the rate in which they test for inevitably that's going to end up being at zero players are going to have to give up a bunch it's like but that's kind of how the whole world's all kind of coming in together yeah it's a good thing it's about time but can't can't sports betting in the players cannot gamble just no what was just talking Michael Porter Jr? yeah did you talking about brother yeah what happened and a lot of people were really making fun of his brother because of what he said um what happened Michael Porter Jr basically said like you know when you

become professional athlete and you have all this money like a lot of people have vice like my vice is woman my brother's vice was gambling because he couldn't get any girls and then and then he that's what people took it as and then and then they just continued to bear it gambled a little bit too much yeah yeah and his vices his vices were the end of him he was like hey man what if I tell all my boys hey take the under a day bet 10 grand yeah come from nothing take the under I'll fake injury that's what I said we can't do that that's something so you got to I can't do that certainly don't need to be talking about it on podcast either.

It's my reporter football. It's all right. His brothers and Joe, we'll never see it. No, yeah, for sure, for sure. All right. It's all getting better.

Hell yeah. We know so much. But do we know it all? Never will. Never. Be a friend, tell her something nice. Might change our life

and we're sitting together. We'll see you tomorrow. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Team. Bye.