The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1388 - Marcus Spears, Milwaukee Brewers Closer Trevor Megill, Johnny Manziel, Pete Thamel, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about everything going on around NFL training camps, and everything else from the sports world before being joined by 9 year NFL veteran, 20th pick of the 2005 NFL Draft, and co-host of NFL LIVE, Marcus Spears joins the show to chat about Jerry Jones’ recent comments about the Cowboys ahead of his Netflix documentary, if they can win a Super Bowl, the Cam Hayward and Trey Hendrickson’s situations, and his thoughts on the Giants. Next, All-Star closer for the Milwaukee Brewers, Trevor Megill joins the show to chat about the Brewers winning 12 games in a row and free burgers for all of Wisconsin, his routine throughout the game, if the Brewers can retain this pace, and more. Later, 2012 Heisman Trophy winner, 22nd pick of the 2014 NFL Draft, and host of the Glory Daze podcast, Johnny Manziel joins the show to discuss being on tour with Drake currently, his thoughts on Arch Manning, how Texas A&M will be this year, the current state of college football, and more. Lastly, NCAA Insider, The Authority, Pete Thamel joins the show to chat about the NCAA ruling on Michigan coming on Friday, his thoughts on some QB battles around the country, the John Mateer situation going on at Oklahoma, if any SEC teams will be interested in Jon Gruden, and more. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdown. On this football Thursday, August 14th, 2025, this program begins now. Football! It is magical, and there's a lot to talk about around the entire NFL, and we'll do that in just a matter of a few moments with an Emmy Award winner, a man who's been all over the television all morning, and obviously a member of the Emmy Award winning NFL live crew at ESPN, And a guy that we are big fans of, ladies gentlemen, Swago will be joining us. Yeah, 10 15 minutes, 10 15 minutes. Now, I don't know how everybody reacts around the people that watch and listen to this show every single day, how the circles do, whenever that name is dropped.

Just know that in this particular office, when Swagu is talked about, it is in very high regard. We are big fans of his. We think he goes about his business in a fun way, a good way, great energy way, and I think he has great takes. Not only that, he's obviously clearly a great father. He is the father of the number one Hooper in the country for the 2027 class. Now, it is an ESPN ranking, so, you know, you've got to assume that there is a little bit of a potential thing going on. Nonetheless, number one, number two, number three, number four, number five, whatever it is, obviously very present, which is why we don't see him on TV as much.

I think he's trying to be super dad. Then not only him, I think he has a daughter to do it, but he's volleyball, who's also not one of the top in the country. it's like, I really respect Swagoo a lot. And we can't wait to catch up with him and also ask him, what hell's going on, Don Dallas? And is this Jerry Jones, the same Jerry Jones, the draft of you with the number 20th overall pick back in the day? Because it feels like he maybe has lost his fastball or has he.

He was at the Netflix premiere of the Cowboys dock that's coming out in August 19. Just a few days or whatever. And he said, you know, when it's quiet, you know, Dallas Cowboys will be there for you. I'll stir some shit up. it's wild to say that very much so just like hey listen yeah we are

an attention grabbing business this is a money making operation here we are trying if the rest of the world wants to sleep we will be awake for them we will let cowboys be the topic of conversation no matter what it is just as long as they're talking cabos cowboys cowboys

yeah I'll do the draft from a yacht you know why what's everybody else do hey stupid as little war rooms yeah I'll do it a damn yacht on water Yeah, people are going to talk with you, they're going to say, Jerry Jones, y'all, this is sophistication, this is class personified. This is the Dallas Cowboys.

Him just admitting that that's how he views it. I cannot wait to see what this documentary also showcases. But also, I think if you're playing for him or a fan of them, you have to wonder, are we trying to win football games at all the time? Or we're just trying to start up shit. Oh, damn time. You know, that's naturally going to be a reaction. We'll ask why I go about that.

I think he's already talked about it a couple different times. But I think from the tours around the facility to the being able to lease apartments outside of your practice facility, I mean, there's just a lot. of things that happen down there that don't happen anywhere else but it's also a place that is the highest valued franchise in the history of sports so they're doing something right down there is it for football or not we shall see we're also going to be talking to a guy that we became friends with tie that's right that's talk stable at boston conner at ty smith great shirt con man tie smith whenever we were at the home run derby when you made your first MLB all-star game we got

chance to chit-chat with closer for the brewers this dude's a legend brewers have won 12 straight games what that means, Ty? I think I do, but I'm not positive. Yeah, because when you hear it, you say that's not possible. No, definitely not in baseball. It doesn't happen a whole lot. 12 wins for a team. Okay, what's going to happen? A restaurant's going to offer free burgers for everybody.

Ooh. Okay, whenever you do this nowadays, and they did this in 1987, I believe, and 2018 or whatever. So definitely internet era, 2018. Is it as much of an internet era as it is now? Because this is the type of thing that the internet will say, is that right? Mm-hmm. We're giving free burgers to everybody.

In the past, there's been hundreds. And hundreds of thousands of burgers dished out. Well, that number crack into a million. What would these burgers look like? George Webb, we appreciate you supporting your time. We also support the brewers getting a big-time win for the city. And I hate that it against Pittsburgh Pirates, but that seems apropos that the Pittsburgh people would like to give the people in Milwaukee free burgers.

You're welcome from Pittsburgh, but also congrats to the Brewers. Best team in baseball, we'll be talking to their closer. Trevor McGill, who we met at the home run derby, electrifying this. Awesome, dude. Like you said, a lot of cool stuff that we did for me, arguably. Like that was the highlight of the day. It was like, man, this guy is awesome. I could sit and talk to this guy for hours on it.

Yeah, he was the straw that stirred the drink on the sideline. It appeared. Not only because Ms. was there, who's also a pitcher for the brewers, so everybody was pissed that he got voted in over a couple filled, if you Phillies because he only had five starts, but this kid throws just absolute gas. This Brewer's team, number one team in baseball. I guess by a wide margin is what people are saying. This team is clearly the best team in baseball right now?

Right now, I think, yeah, I don't think there's much of an argument. I mean, they're just so, every time they play, it seems like they're going to win no matter what, whether they're beating the hell out of teams, like they kind of beat the hell out of the pirates yesterday or winning close games and, like, coming back. Every time they've, I mean, obviously, they've won 12 in a row. But, yeah, when it matters the most, they're kind of taking the baton and running with it. is their closer. He comes out to Metallica's four horsemen. That's right.

Which I think is a deep cut if you're a Metallica fan, but he is. He's a diehardt. He's a diehard and he talks about how he's been to eight, I think, Metallica concerts and how they know him because obviously he had to ask their use it. This dude is electric. Can I wait to chat with him?

And then in the second hour we'll have Johnny Mansell joining us. Join football. Yeah, Johnny Football. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. The Monty. Can't wait to catch up with him. We haven't with him in a while. Obviously, everybody knows Johnny Mansell's story. From being one of the greatest college football players of all time, to go into Cleveland, to it not working out, to,

you know, a lot of different stories. He played fan craze football, had a podcast. I think he's just trying to live his life. Excited to hear what he's up to now. And also, shout to Sling TV. That's still doing it. Boom. I had no idea. They are. They're still doing it. They're offering day passes. That's cool. Yeah, yeah, you know, I've got to sign up for a day pass, four bucks something. You can get watching a game you need to. If you don't have anything other streaming platforms, which I don't know if us on a streaming platform

marketing it is necessarily the right way to go about it. But if you guys got any friends, tell people, Sling's got a day past Johnny Mansell's coming on top. That's right. And I want Pete Thamel on in the late second hour to chitchat about a ruling coming down from the NCAA tomorrow

on Michigan. Uh-oh. On what? The NCAA has formally notified parties, to the Michigan NCAA infractions case that an announcement on the findings and punishments will be publicly released on Friday. Sources tell him and the pretzel, Dan Wetzel. Okay.

So whenever you hear that, you think oh, this is about Kornershtalian. Could be stallion. But there's also some other stuff that has happened up there. Yeah, there's the staffer who was getting into iCloud accounts of, you know, college girls, which not a great deal, obviously. But that's been floating around. How much

did Harbaugh know about that? Is he involved at all? But again, the stallion stuff. I mean, maybe... Is it still outstanding the stallion stuff? I didn't think so, but it seems like people continue to dig. So, I mean, maybe. I'll be, like, very intrigued to hear what this is, because there's so many

different things that it could be. And obviously the NCAA operates at a an NCAA rate. So this could be from, you know, we have no idea what it is. Hopefully we'll get some clarity from Pete Damo as we head into another great college football season on the horizon. Oh, hell yeah, but that's what stinks, is that it feels

as though aren't most of the guys from that era gone, so now they're just going to punish the... Buddy, this is always the next era. That's the way it works. Yeah, I know, but what do they do? And that's the way the cookie crumbles

every single time. Penn State, what? They lifted it early? That was the only thing they did? You got to remember, there's been bold banishments for teams. The SMU, yeah. Yeah, I mean, the SMU got a death penalty or whatever, just shut it all down.

Nobody that was a part of it all had been on that campus for years and they were still being punished. I mean, that is what the NCAA is because I think they view it as institutional. You know, like, it's the entire university. It's not just about the humans that are currently occupying those roles.

It is the university that acted in a way because the university is the member of the NCAA. It's not the coach that is a member of the, you know, so there's just like so much, oh shit. Yeah, who cares? No, it's, I mean, because the NC, I mean, what is the purpose of the NCAA now at this point?

I mean, there's just so many, so many conversations they have. So we'll ask BTMO about all of it. and college football is going to be great. We know that. Let's go to one half of the hammer. Cowboys AP Tone. Tone, you're an author, buddy. Yep.

And it's about college football. And because of your college ball book being out there, you know what we decided to do? What? Well, how about this? 20% off sale. Everything except Tone's book. Wow.

At stored up Pat Macfee Show.com. We very rarely do these types of things because if you want to buy stuff to support the program, support you can. We very rarely try to pull. You know, hey, ever, yeah, we don't ever say. A lot of you don't know that place exists. Yeah, exactly. We don't ever say this, but it does exist.

And currently 20% off everything except Tones Book, okay? Because if we're going to give you 20% off Tones Book today, everybody I bought it yesterday, would be like, yeah. What's going on? Bingo. Two bucks. Okay, that's not even a thing, but still, you're ripping me off. So we decided everything except Tones book is on sale at store.

Dot, Pat Bank of Show.com. But the college football season is right around the corner. We're talking to Pete Tamil about whatever ruling this is for Michigan. coming out tomorrow, but this should be one from not only your research, but all eyes in what college football was last year. We're going to have big-time matchups every single weekend, and we're going to have stars playing on primetime every single week. College football is about to deliver for us in a big way. We're getting caught up in obviously three weeks and one day from now when the NFL kicks off in Philadelphia with the Dallas Cowboys, obviously going to be in that building.

Is it in the NFC East? It is. Is it opening night? It is? Cowboys will be there. And they are. But we're talking about that college football next weekend happening in Columbus, Ohio to kick off game day and everything. Now we're playing ball. Let's go ahead and do this thing. Yeah, we're playing ball. And one of the things that I put in the book, like, this is one of the most unpredictable seasons I think that we've had in a while. Like last year when we came into the end of the season, Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, Georgia, Notre Dame. Like, we knew who those teams kind of were.

We also knew who their quarterbacks were. So there wasn't like a lot of questions what you were going to get. Now, all those teams and a lot of the teams in the top 10 have new quarterbacks. We have no idea what they're going to be like, who they're going to look like. So there's a lot of questions up to this season. And then, you know, the book answers a lot of those. It's going to be an incredible season. A lot of the reviews are in.

And a lot of people are saying the Bible, Great Gatsby to Kill a Mockingbird, and the 2025, 2026 version of the need to know college football guide betting situation. Okay. So the others know the name. This one needs to know Gambler's Guide. for college ball 2025, 2026. I'm happy to see you're in the pantheon of those books already this quickly in the first 24. Now, you're not going to be dancing in Shenzhou's water, of my friend.

I'd like to let you know that. Until I meet him in. He is dead. That was a. So shocker. A shocking. Rest in peace to Shenzu, by the way. People are still referencing Shin.

Yeah. And zoo. Yeah. Yeah. All the zoos, really. running us now. It's Sun Tzu. Of course it is.

Rest a piece of Sun Tzu, too. Yeah, right. Sun Tzu's art of war. Shinsu passed as well. Let's not, let's not get a crazy. I think Shinske and Nakamura's best friend is Shinsu. Well, Shinske, how is Shinske? I saw him.

He was eating with Gunther. Gunther did a vlog in German. So I watched that, didn't understand what he was saying. Kind of trying to get the gist of it. and they went to a Japanese restaurant together, had a big Stein of beer together. Oh, I love it. Yeah, it was really good.

Shinske looks good. Shinsu, rest in peace as well, any of the Shenzu, the Art of War, I'll tell you what, really good book. I think Jerry Jones reads it. Oh, yeah. When people think I'm focusing on football,

boom, I tell them it's a soap opera. Join us now as a man who was a Dallas cowboy first round draft pick. A man who was a national champion. Obviously, a nine-year NFL vet and a guy who has won an Emmy on television, And anytime you see him, it's certainly going to be entertaining, which is why we love him. Ladies and gentlemen, the father of the number one Hooper

in the 2027 class, Marcus Spears. Yes, Swaggy! Do you hear about Sun Tzu, dude? Art of War author died a long time ago, dude. Rest in peace to him. Brother, y'all got me crying over here, doll. Yeah, yeah, I bet. This is not supposed to be on TV.

You said rest in peace like you was his partner. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta really, we poured one out for him a couple times ago, every time his name comes up. Let's talk about it, though, the art of war. First of all, congrats on the Emmy. We haven't talked to you since then. Congrats on everything. Grats on your kids kicking ass, your family being awesome.

Legit, you're doing it. Hey, you're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're balancing it. You're managing it, and you're crushing it. You should be incredibly proud of yourself, dude. I appreciate it, man.

It's a, you know, I got to obviously shout out with my wife, bro. She is the, she the catalyst. She's the foundation of it, but these kids have been, they've been impressive to us as parents, man, and it's been fun to watch their journey. Y'all know my wife was a pro basketball player, so we understand what this world is like, but not in this day and age. It comes with a lot when your kids are this visible and getting this notoriety, but super proud of them, bro.

And again, today in particular, one of the best things is is that my people have reached out to me like U-PAD and Dan O and my NFL live crew and people around ESPN, man. It's just been phenomenal to watch them celebrate my son and not only my son, my daughter as well, who's going to go play volleyball in Texas this year for our freshman year.

So it's been amazing, man. What is she? What position? He's going to play six rotations. She'd probably be an outside hitter. Oh, nice. okay i like that four balls all day bang you a volleyball dad you in there a hundred percent sweating and everything cussing out the line judge

i think that's why we all shouted you out though because we followed along online because you're not on tv as much as everybody else you uh you know and we put in requests and everything like that and it's like uh he's not working today can you get you next week or whatever and it's like your focus on your family has been like i think all of us have so much respect for it especially with how it's all going so like you should understand that we all massively respect the shit out of you. For me, bro, I love y'all, man. And it's always, you know, the respect that I have for my colleagues, bro.

But in the summer, man, I like to lock in on my kids, bro. Like, they're having a different journey. They're not just playing sports. It's a lot of stuff that's coming at them that my wife and I want to be around and make sure we can manage, that they don't understand that 16. My son just turned 16 four months ago, bro. So it's a lot coming at him. It's a lot that was coming at my daughter.

So we like to be present. And, you know, fortunately for me, at ESPN, I'm about to sound like the biggest company guy that's ever existed. But they have really been respectful in the offseason and knowing that I'm going to lock into my kids and make sure everything going well on this end. Well, that's awesome, especially if you say, hey, this is how it's going to be.

And obviously, the relationship with ESPN is great. I appreciate you doing that. And you talk about being 16 years old just four months ago and all the things that they have going, so you like being present. We have had a couple kids do their commitment on our show, and it's so cool. And we had one kid come in here, Tyler Atkinson, came in here with his dad and his family and everything like that. First of all, your kid, your wife played in the WMBA, you're in the NFL. We knew we probably had a good chance, right? We knew we probably had a good chance with the size and the body and the athleticism and everything.

But it's like these dudes nowadays, we got guys coming on the show. He's like 6-4-220 is a 17-year-old. We got this other dude who was, what, 6-8? Jake Krul. Yeah, oh, yeah. 6-8, 350. 3-50, offensive tackle. He's 17-year-old.

He's going to go play a high schooler next week. Like, that is insane to think about it. But the maturity you have to have with all the, there's a lot of business happening right now. You know, there's a lot of business seemingly happening. So I appreciate you being involved. Is that what you're referring to, though, right? It's all the business that's taking place? bro it's it's so yeah the business part of it is a big deal fortunately for us here in texas

you know you can't do any nil until you're 17 and they just passed that law so they're a little bit late to the party um when it comes to that but you know it's still people still reach out they still trying to get them to be a part of a lot of things that they're doing but again man like his focus is obviously school and basketball and we're trying to keep it that way in a world that want to treat these 16 17 year old kids like they 25 26 years old and um you know that's why that foundation for that my wife has really laid because she's here doing the grunt work every day bro she's in the midst of it you know when i get into you know how it is pat like when i get into the season bro we're gone like the time is occupied so i'm calling and she giving me

the information but it's it's uh it's crazy dude a deal if a deal with it came to me for $15 at 16. I was saying every piece of paperwork they had. That's what I'm saying. Congrats to you and your wife working your ass off to have your kids in a position that they're in right now. But it's like the stories we're hearing on this show,

me, when I'm 16, 15, 17 years old, not only me, like my parents, my whole family, basically, probably the whole neighborhood is like, how much are they paying to do what? It's like, yeah, we will certainly do that. How much do I got to give up? 20% for the rest of your life. But you won't really. Who knows?

You know, it's what 80% of a lot is a lot better than 0% of, you know, like, those things The fortunate point we're going to have is people know not to bullshit me, right? You and I, we still doing deals. We still doing bargaining deals. I'm current on what contract should look like. I'm current on equity and how much you should be paid and how long can you use the name and all of that type of stuff. So, and it's something that we had to obviously refresh ourselves on, but we understand what's coming across the desk. So it's not just a bunch of people putting papers on our table and being like, look, here's $50,000.

But now your son don't own none of his name or rights or image or anything like that. So we've passed a lot of things up that people have raised their eyebrows and was like, okay, we're not going to be able to bullshit the spirits family. Hey, well, congrats on that. That's got to be incredibly difficult waters to navigate for the model. and you know parents and everything so good luck to all you legit and also there's a book sunzu wrote it called art of war rest in peace now to sonsu he is dead very dead rest of peace in he is a movie

book called art of war it's right they even got a little shorter version yeah like hey this is a shit you really need to know can help you out business wise let's talk business now you've been chatting about it all morning obviously because it's a hilarious quote here's jerry jones at the netflix premiere of the document Well, I do believe if we're not being looked at, then I'll do my part to get us looked at. The beautiful thing for networks or, if you will, streaming companies is that the NFL is a 365 day a year interest factor. lot of programming you have to spend as much to make it to promote it as you do to

make it the Cowboys are a soap opera 365 days will begin when it gets slow talking over again take your seats so it's oh it's wonderful to have the great athletes have the great players but there's something more there there's sizzle there's emotion and if you will there's controversy that controversy is good stuff in terms of keeping and having people's attention The more bullshit, the better. That is good. All anybody ever says, Swagoon, you know this,

because obviously you've been in there. It's hard enough to win a game, right? That's what everybody talks about. So now the owner's going out and actually giving away his game. And he says, hey, my game is that controversy is good. Let's not get this crazy. What are they talking about, Campbell's? Okay.

So we take a 20, 30, 40, $64 million hit on salaries that we could have paid earlier. You know how much money we're gaining in valuation? on the other side? Shit, $150 million. So you start doing math. All of a sudden, we're up $9 million. Who smart? Me?

They're dumb. But you're going to ever win that way? Are you ever going to win that way? Is this something that we all kind of thought about Jerry? But then once he says it, it's like, okay, so this has been to plan. And does it worry you that potentially you're never going to be able to win like that? Pat, yes, because your value as a player is tied into success, bro. Like, that is the awful part about what Jerry said.

Yeah, you're getting your money and everybody understands what you've done. to promote this brand and build it, but to say that loud and in public is, I've been, Pat, you know this, I've been screaming that the Cowboys ain't trying to win a Super Bowl, and people in Dallas can't stand when I say it, because they act like, they act like online, like I'm supposed to live in this fantasy world of, yeah, we're doing what it takes to win. The blueprint is out there of how you try to win a Super Bowl. And Jerry, just told everybody, yeah, it's great to have the great players and

all of that, but there's more. Sizzle. There's a sizzle. We not even focused on football. That's what he just said. He said, look, yeah, we got back and we got CD and we got all these great players, but there's more there. Bro, we

talking about football, full stop. There's not supposed to be more than winning and putting the best team on the field and making sure your star players are paid and you've got everybody on the field. It is clarity for anybody that was on the fence

about what's important in Dallas. And they're super unfortunate for players. And Pat, this is what I always say. What the hell are the coaches supposed to do with that? Yeah, I started thinking about like Mike McCarthy there, his entire run. How'd they win that many games

and the entire thing. And then you think about Shottie. Like I think Shottie's going to be a good coach. I think Shottie's going to be a good coach. I got chance to meet him. Obviously, he's literally his entire life in the NFL. Now, I'm not saying that means he's going to be great at being a head coach, but from what I've seen from him,

I think he would be a great head coach personally. Pat, imagine this. Imagine you coaching. This is shot. Imagine you coaching in the NFL for 25 years waiting on your opportunity. And the owner of the team that you, the head coach says,

when it ain't that damn important. Controversies, what we're, you know, a little reality TV. I don't know if more money, bro. Get out of it. But I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised because I get my ass kicked all over the internet

and all over the place when I say Dallas not trying to win a Super Bowl by my own. Some of my boys who are cowboy fans more you ain't supposed to be saying that. What do you mean they ain't trying to win? Well they know now. Some of my boys have

they've given up. They're in disgust. They're right now in they're right now in position of trying to find what team they're going to root for. Now, I'm going to stay with Dallas, because I'm going to glutton for getting my ass beat. And I love. Okay.

Right. And all of that. But at the end of the day, I haven't been under this figment of imagination that a Super Bowl has been the most important thing to this organization. And the owner just told everybody that that is true. So y'all can get off me and take that energy to Jerry. Okay. I like that. Take the energy up top there, the guy who is, we're looking at the season.

The steak is okay. We're not going to beat Bruce. We're not going to beat We're not going to beat Roose Chris The steak is what the steak is What we specialize in Is the sizzle

You know when that's Some of the bitch is coming out With the salt Oh yeah Toppe That's what Jerry The fixings And the bird days

Yeah yeah You know sword Yeah that's what Jerry Jerry's supposed to be a wrestling promoter That's what he was supposed to be Truly That's what he was supposed to do

But instead He bought the highest Valued sports franchise in the history of sports which is what he would look at and say, excuse me, is this not what we are all trying to accomplish here? And it's like, well, I think what a lot of people

are trying to accomplish is super bowl. Like, I think that's what a lot of people are looking at. And with Stephen Jones, you know him probably better than I do. I don't really know anybody down there. I've had massive respect for Jerry Jones, mostly because I respect how big of a gambler he is and how he goes all in and the type of guy he is. I think that entire thing.

I watch him with Joe Buck. It was a phenomenal interview. I'm like, that guy's a dog. I'm a fan. You talk about your friends having clarity and like getting off the fence or whatever. I've had clarity. I'm like, all right. I think Jerry's lost his fastball. I think he's lost the narrative. I think Jerry has kind of lost it. Now that moves on to the boys now, the entire family, because his landman speech from what I've been told is how he actually felt like, hey, you do business with your family. You can hand it off someday. So he takes a lot of pride in that, which I respect. Is Stephen going to operate the same way he is? Because I've heard Stephen say some things now, right?

Yeah. It's offseason that's like, hold on now. Unless you Unless you're going to go Unless you've been getting the information From somebody else Here's the here's the here's the Conundra Pat Like we're not a monolith

Like we can like something about a person And respect something about them And hate some other shit that they do That's just what it boils down to But ultimately when it comes to Stephen What's what should be different? We're six Our valuation is 12.8 billion dollars

Without winning a winning anything of significance, right? So as a family, when you're saying we need to keep this money train that's been rolling forever rolling, there's a certain way to do it, and my dad has showed us how, right? So you are asking him to go against the apple cart. Here's what you hope, though. You hope that Stephen understands that there's collateral damage in that route, and that collateral damages your coaches, your players, and everybody. And hopefully the money that's being spent on the Dallas Cowboys as far as how they promoted and branded is going to start to be spent on

the football team and also the narrative of how about how about this Pat Pat I got it figured out okay sitting there talking to you Sun Tzu this is Sun Tzu Homes! All the war! Okay, all the war right? How about we separate

like how about we just take the Dallas Cowboys and football right like the building the coaches the players the general manager, the head of scow of Will McLeigh, and we separate that when it comes to the day-to-day operations from you trying to create drama and all in the bullshit that's going on. So you're saying we're saying we take the here's the entire facility. Remember we got this entire thing, Jerry World. We got a practice field outside practice field right here. You can buy

apartment complexes right here that overlook into the practice facility. Then here's an indoor practice facility, and you can actually buy VIP tickets that you can overlook the practice that has happened. Now, I will tell you, I think they are the only company or a team in the history to ever let people watch their practice if you pay

an amount of money, or let you live next to their practice if you pay a certain amount of money. What you're saying is let's take these fields that are, keep the apartments, keep the apartment, keep the VIP perch. Yeah, have them just look at a building. Take the fields. There, there we go. Take the fields. Take them

down the street, have them down here, and let Jerry do his shit up here. That's what you're saying. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Or just go practice at one of the high schools when nobody's there. Oh, they're nice. They're very nice. We got we got 13, 14

high schools here. I'm in for, bro, I'm five minutes away from where you just show. It's a lot of places they can practice. Remove them. Remove, just isolate that part of it. And then when the cameras come on, you can say what you want to say. way or you, nah, let's not give away too much.

We don't need to give it away. No, no, no. We can't. And, Pat, listen, you run up on this house, it's a problem. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, we're down there in Texas. I understand. I completely understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're out here in Indiana. I very much understand. All right, let's go around the NFL other than just the Dallas Cowboys. And once again, we've spent 15 minutes on Jerry Jones right there.

And he said, boom, these puppets just like I fucking said. Thank you. Thank you. Just like I said, just what I said I would do, they did. Takes his thing off, eats an egg McMuffin'allon with salt on it. Yep, extra solid. AP tone has a question for you. Yeah, Swagga, I feel like you're one of the perfect people to ask about this.

One of your D-Long brethren up in Pittsburgh, Cam Hayward, who was an all-pro last year. He's been a five-time All-Pro first and second team. Just a cornerstone of that D-line is underpaid. He's making $14, $15 million this year. The guys around him making $23, 24, something like that. How do you feel about Cam's situation? And the Steelers, they're going all in, so they definitely need to get this figured out, right? I agree with you.

They need to rectify this, man. And I don't know if you obviously put Cam up there because age matters. Like, we all know age matters in the contract. But he's outplayed that salary. And if you guys know, like remember Cam a few days ago said, I told the Steelers, if I play, if I outplay this, I'm coming back to the tape. So I don't want anybody to think he's not honoring something that they had signed and put in the place. And by the way, when you look at the Pittsburgh.

defense has been the catalyst and he's been one of the star wars of that and i think there's a certain thing as a good faith he's been in this organization he's been through the 775 million quarterbacks that you've had on this team and never complain knowing at times we don't have a shot in hell at winning a super bowl but i'm going to continue to go out here and do what i do and try to promote what we do defensively i think cam deserves more money one his performance says that, but two, like, bro, he's a stealer. He's been one of the, he's a synonymous figure. He's going to be one of those guys that's hanging up in the stadium and

doing all of the things that the Steelers represent. Go on pay the man. He ain't got to pay nobody else. Yeah, Swagoo, you also think about DK Metcalf's getting 30 mil, Jalen Ramsey's getting whatever, never played it down for the Pittsburgh Steelers, right? Like, this is absolutely. And I think all Steelers fans are pumped that Omar Colin, the general manager, did all these things, went out and got big to, hey, let's go all in. Why not? We're sick of it.

But you can see how Cam Hayward, who's the second longest tenured Pittsburgh's dealer, I believe, tied with Mike Webster behind Ben Rothesberger with his 15 years. You can say, wait a second, we're giving how much money to everybody that has never done anything for Pittsburgh, because this is very abnormal for Cam Hayward to experience as well. Now, with that being said, Jensers are telling them, not all Jensers are on Cam Hayward's side. like it at all. And that is a reminder that the logo will always be bigger than any one person. And you know, Cam Hayward's been there 15 years, has been the epitome of the Pittsburgh Steelers. His dad, Ironhead, legendary figure in Pittsburgh, his brother on the team. Charity. This entire thing. He's Cam Hayward, Walter Payton Man of the Year for what he's done in the city of Pittsburgh. Cam Hayward comes out and says, I told him I wanted a little bit

more money. They said they want it. And Yindra's go, fuck this guy. Not all of them, not all of them, not all of them, not all, but 15 years of good, 15 years of good, great, of great to the city. And then he says, I'm playing for a very limited amount. I restructed, I restructured the contract last year. It wasn't a new contract. And now I'm lower than everybody and I'm all pro. Like, what do we, can I get a little bit more money running?

Shut up, shut up. That is how fans will always feel. That's why it's so difficult. and that's why the teams know they ultimately have leverage in the end they know that and it's like inevitably cam will be loved in Pittsburgh for at like in the long run cam will be loved in Pittsburgh forever but right now there's people that I think were massive Cam Hayward fans would that have gone oh he doesn't want to soon he don't won seven he doesn't want seven that's all we're trying to do it's uh the business of football is incredibly wild but cam go get you can't

Cam, we hope you get a little bit. And I think it can happen. And I think Omar Khan can make it happen. Because if they ask to do what you did, they'll be asking for more money to. Exactly. On the complete opposite side. And if he would have played like ass, they would have been saying, hey, let's restructure this thing and get a little different way. You 100% right.

Yeah, but the fans don't care. That's a billionaire. He's genius. He's obviously going to do that. You stupid athletes need to just figure it out. All right, let's move around. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Swagu, let's stay in the AFC North.

do you think is going to come of the whole Trey Hendrickson situation? We obviously followed that very closely throughout the off season. He takes a stand, doesn't show up, and then eventually kind of realizes like, hey, they're not going to pay me even though they've said for the last two years they are.

I'll go back and I guess just be a good company man, be a good soldier. How do you think that affects the Bengals this year? And do you think we'll get any resolution from this, or is this for sure Trey Hendrickson's last year in Cincinnati? I think it's for sure as last year.

Did you watch them on defense last year? Oh, yeah. It wasn't but one bright spot, and that was 91. So the problem becomes for Cincinnati is, and I've talked about this, when you get into this window of really believing that you can win at a high level because of what they got offensively, you've got to start paying people. And that's really what it boils down to. Trey has led the league in Sacks the last two years, I believe.

I know he for sure did last year with 17 and a half. and the man has been in a contract dispute for a million days you don't have anybody else there is nothing about Trey Hendrickson resume that should tell the Cincinnati Bengals we don't need to pay this man

a high level of dollars right or you beat or you drop them and you say you know what we're going to trade him because we don't respect what you've done in this organization in this franchise so let's trade them and see what we can get. I'm sure somebody would love Trey Hendrickson's services. But dude, there is no way that you can go through this season

if you're to Cincinnati Bengals and think that without Trey Hendrickson, you got better or you have a chance to do what you're trying to do, especially with what you have on the other side of the football. It's one of the dumbest things that I've watched in football for the last two years. And the Cincinnati Bengals fans, speaking of the fans, They killed my ass a year Two years ago Listen, man

This relationship with Trey Henderson And the Cincinnati Bengals is bad He wants out If they're not going to restructure a contract You don't know what you're talking about And then Trey comes back and he's like Yeah, I'm fine, I'm gonna stay here I'm gonna play it out

Well, I understand the psychology of a football player At that time, hey man, let me go on get these millions And act like everything is okay Until it's not okay And finally it has come to a head once again, and I really don't know the answer. I know one answer in this whole situation.

Without Trey Hendrickson, based on what Cincinnati was last year, they're going to be ass on defense, and Joe, I'm going to have to score 45 to try to win game. The ass on defense is kind of the expectation, I think, by everybody of the Cincinnati Bengals. And I've asked this, you know, to a few

people now. Can you win Super Bowl playing like that? Yes. Listen. Can you win a Super Bowl scoring 50 points, giving up 50 points? No, Pam, but what if you just can be middle of the pack defensively? That offense is good enough. What if you could just get a half better on defense, right? And you can't do that without 91.

You're not going to do that without him. So there is always this new hope when you come into an NFL season that, okay, schematically we'll be a little bit better. We fixed a lot of our flaws from last year. year, we can make these changes and do all of this. Man, if you ain't got no pass rush in the NFL, when your ass is on the road playing Pat Mahomes

in the fourth quarter, or when Josh Allen is on the third and nine, and you looking at the defensive line, like, we got no god-dog on shot to get anybody on the ground. That is when Trey Hendrick sent that extra 12, $13 million he asking for, you're going to feel like shit that you didn't pay it to.

Yeah, that would be a good time to also remind yourself that's why we paid them $12, $13 million. That tackle right there literally just happened. You talk about the AFC, and I know the Cincinnati Bengals have obviously represented the AFC and the Super Bowl in this era. I very much understand that. But you talked about he's going to have to sack Patrick Mahomes sometime late in a playoff game if you want to get going. Josh Allen, he's going to have to corral him somehow. Lamar Jackson, I mean, you just keep going.

The entire AFC is an onslaught, let alone Danny Dimes or Anthony Richardson. Yeah. Jeez. belly laugh. Wow. Somebody tickling your feet over it. Don't bring up West Virginia. The hell's going on. All right, dude.

Jeez, Louis. You don't know. Wow. None of us, no. None of us. No. Hey. All right.

You, I want to let you know. That was one of the most disrespectful things I've ever seen done on national total. I think somebody's still tickling his feet. There's no way he was just that reaction. action right there to the Indianapolis Colts being in the dance late. Hey, player.

I'm not going to let y'all do this to Dallas and I not do it to you. Hey, man, we're in a lot. Hey, I will say, though, no, no, I'm not going to get into it. Middle of season. Yeah. We'll have to back. I see what he's done.

All right. Last question here for you, Swaggo. We appreciate your time. Go ahead, Conman. Gu, always a pleasure. We've talked about a lot of teams. One team in the division in the NFC East. You know, everyone talks about every year, how the NFCs hasn't had a back-to-back division winner in 20 years. And maybe, you know, it's the Cowboys time.

But what about those pesky giants? It feels as though they are going to have one of, if not the best, defensive line in all football. How do you feel about them, especially after, you know, that first preseason game, even though it's preseason, Jackson Darts looking good, Malik Neighbors is looking good. Do you have hope for the Giants this year? Hey, man, I'm one of those people where I think it's going to be hell to play the New York Giants.

Like, I really do, man, like the physical brand that they play on defense. But offensively, if they can get, one, if Russ can hold it down until we know Jackson Darts the future. We don't need to, you know, if he can hold it down and have some success. And the one thing we know Russ can do, he can throw that mug downfield. And Malik neighbors can catch it downfield. Offensive line ain't bad. You got a physical football team up front. Left tackle is in a good situation right now.

Jackson Dard is going to be the answer. I'm a big Brian Day Bowl fan. Like, love him. I think he's one of the best in the league. But what is going to come down to, and the Giants know this right now, we're going to have to kick people ass on the line of scrimmage. And I think they have the personnel to do it. So if they are in games in the fourth quarter in the NFCs,

and they got an opportunity to either rush to pass and get people off the field, or they can be physical at the point of attack, or push the ball down the field, I think they'll have a personnel to do it. Remember, fellas, like a lot of this for the Giants has been personnel, bro. They haven't had good rosters for a minute. And I think they are marketably better on both sides of the other ball now. Yeah, and I think Dayball is in a situation here where we need to go. I think he knows that.

I think everybody knows that. You talk about Jackson being the future. It's like, I don't know if any of them there are thinking past this year. We need to roll. And to your point about Dayball being a guy you like, I like him too I like his vibe I like his energy

I hope he has success obviously there but I appreciate him being in the football world had to saw it off a little stogue at his mouth when I saw him just like this little nub

yeah sure and I was like you're going that low I respect that you're chewing on that thing that much and it's that low so I respect him you want him to fight with you

you want him to be one of them dudes with you when y'all get into the shit and he will too during the game you remember it was down on the goal line he was about to fight

On the goal line. Tyrod Taylor, right? Yeah, some decision. Yeah. In my head, I wish I remember what the decision was. Did the clock run out? Yes. Yeah.

Clock run out because he didn't spike. They had like a minute or something on the goal line. Yeah. Yeah, and he was just, it's like he spiked. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Good luck with that. He probably would have whipped his ass, but he still was willing to fight.

Yeah, he would have lost, for sure. Which we respect, it would take a lot. Yeah. Yeah, he would have a lot. Yeah, he would have shot for a double leg. Yeah, he might have gone see. We don't know. Maybe end up in an air split.

All right, we appreciate the hell out of you, Swagoo. Hopefully we get a chance to see you more often this year. My brother. You will, man. You will, for sure. Emmy Award winner, ladies a gentleman, Marcus Spears. Yeah, Swagoo. I really enjoy that, dude.

He's the man. Legit. Yeah. I did, what was it, get up with him maybe? Yeah, probably. A couple different times. and there's like a little green room area over there he was by far just the most

this guy is infectious energy he walks into a room and there's a little bit of movement anytime somebody enters a room and there's a little bit of movement I like it somebody enters a room and there's no movement I start to wonder about what wait a minute wait a minute

there's not even a feeling of either a little bit of what's going to happen here or excitement or if somebody walks into a room and there's not a single thing it's like all right so that's exactly how we should be viewing you going forward no juice no juice which this guy's got no juice this guy's got no juice yeah you know who's got juice who's that oh the closer for the milwaukee brewers oh amen oh my god you also speak spanish i think

i heard him say one line got a big pop out of about eight dominican guys ladies and gentlemen from the milwaukee brewers an absolute dog i believe from southern California. Trevor McGill. How's it going, guys? Hey, how are you? I'm doing well, man, just to join our off days so far. Okay, let's talk about the off day. Do you guys eat a bunch of burgers last night? How do we feel about the burger giveaway? Was that added an incentive? Because I know it could have happened earlier in the year. You guys

blew it for the whole city. Then yesterday, huge win over to Buccos and we get burgers for everybody. Did you guys talk about that before the game, Trevor? Oh, yeah, yeah. The boys are feeling good right now. Burgers were definitely on everybody's mind. I feel like this was their George Webb's. What do you call that, Corn Dogs Jackie moment? Yep.

Where, you know, it finally hit after, I think, like, 30, was it 2018? What's the last one? It's happened three times total. So this is big. I think they're planning on doing it for, like, Saturday or something. They've got to order a bunch of burgers. Okay. So, a lot of people.

Okay. Yeah. 87, 2018, and then obviously now it happened. I guess the one in 87 was outrageous. I guess the one in 2018, they gave out like coupons or something. So it didn't work out as much because there's a multiple step process. So I'll be excited to see how they handle it this year. But let's talk about the team.

Brother, when we were at the All-Star week there where you guys get no break. I mean, basically just work your asses off the entire time. You guys by far have the worst setup out of all the All-Star weeks as players. It was a great spectacle, and it was an honor to meet you. People were pissed about the Ms. being in the All-Star game. Nobody was really talking about the Brewers. You guys are the best team in baseball. Did we know that at the time at the home run derby?

And why didn't you fucking tell me that so that I could sound smart on this show? We all knew in the clubhouse. I mean, we kind of got our ass kick a little bit in April there, and I think that kind of just opened up the team's eyes to like what needs to be done to moving forward. And, you know, we've all kind of locked arms since. then and have gotten it done. So our guys, you know, we're feeling good in the clubhouse

and everybody's just genuinely pulling for each other there. Okay, so you as a closer, sick job, by the way. I think that's a, if I was a pitcher, I think as kicker punner, I think closer probably the most similar mindset-wise, where you're jogging out literally all eyes and we're going to figure out right now

whether it happens or it doesn't happen. You have the Metallica Four Horseman entrance, obviously, massive Metallica fan. happy that that happens for you every time you go out there. Is that accurate? We're retelling the story. Eight Metallica concerts you've been to? No, no, not eight.

I've been to three so far. Let's get to eight, though. I'm sure they'll still be playing for a while. But a huge Metallica fan. It's a big part of my life. And to, like, have the whole stadium blacked out. And, you know, right as I go through those gates, you know, the song starts screaming. It's just gives me goosebumps every time, man.

Just even right now thinking about it. But, yeah. Yeah, it's badass. What the team's done for putting that together for me. I couldn't thank them enough. They've done such a good job with my insurance. So every game you could be up, though? Is that, I don't know the life.

I don't know pitching and baseball in you could be up every single game. And then what is it, like the seventh, sixth, sixth, seventh inning? It's like, okay, real opportunity. Then you start warm. Like, because I know pitchers have full routine, too. How does that work for you? Oh, shoot. My routine, I mean, we're starting, if we're at a home game,

like I'll watch the first inning and then the second inning I'm doing a third gun on my entire body third inning I'm doing like a light roll um on the ground down there in the bullpen just to get everything activated and then it's like fifth to the eighth inning is all just like okay what is the little tweak that I need to fix and how do I fix it um to get ready and feel the best for the ninth so there's there's a lot that goes into my routine personally I know everybody's different some people don't do as much as I do, but I kind of, like, just nerd out and try and figure out just exactly how I can feel 100% every day, if not get as close to that as possible.

So there's a lot. I think that's the one thing that just kind of helps me, too, is being in your routine every single day helps drown out a lot of the noise, especially, you know, in the Brewer Stadium. The people have been showing up and been loud as hell the last couple weeks. So, yeah, it's just staying in the routine is big for me. How many appearances will you have throughout a year? Like, what's an average? This year you guys are better.

Does that mean more you? I'm at like 40-something right now. I mean, guys like Uribe, he's up there in the 50s. Jared's up in the 50s. Like, it's just kind of depends. So if the game is three runs or less, you know, tie to three runs or less, then that's my role to go in and do it. other than that, I'm just kind of on standby and seeing and watching what the other guys are doing.

And then when my time comes, it's, you know, time to close it. That's time for the lights to go out. Metallica hits. McGill's taking them on. That is such a dramatic spectacle. I love everything about it because the mentality of a pitcher has to be a special one anyways. What's that movie that I always talk about, the clear mechanisms? Work of the Year?

No, no, yeah. god damn names blanket but billy chapel is who kevin coster plays yeah it's like i don't know what perfect for the love of the game for the love of the game there it is there it is okay so the clear mechanisms thing he says i think and it like blocks out everybody like a lot of kicking coaches and kicking people like show that clip they're talking about how like hey this is just you operating with the ball right now that is all it is nothing else matters that is a real thing when it gets loud are you you said you're trying to block it out but it looks like you are embracing as well because we throw some heat brother right we're throwing we're going out yeah yeah we're going out gas and then we're

also got some moxie too and obviously the flat bill looks hilarious i mean everything about it is awesome you're a showman but are you acknowledging what's happening around you are you trying to like that movie lock in completely on what you're doing i mean the crowd is the crowd and um you you get enough experience i mean you're familiar with this too is like you're out there enough and you've done it plenty of times like eventually the noise is just the noise you know it's it doesn't cause like an emotional response from the player um you know it just it's there you acknowledge it and you just move move past it um so i mean for me it's just it's kind of it's comfortable it's like working in chaos and like having organized chaos um so i i i like it i kind of

chase after the adrenaline rush when I'm pitching and like bigger moments you know it makes me you know feel better you know dopamine hit when you succeed like that's what I'm after that's that's the big thing with closing I feel like for a lot of people is just that big dopamine spike that you get when you go and you shove it so

yeah we don't want anybody to pump it but we do want to shove it yeah but yeah I mean that's the big part for me, man. It's like just that feeling you get afterwards, especially like strike out the last dude. Like, it's, it's you're the one that completed the job there

on the last pitch and it's like, okay, you can do your celebration at that time, you know, or Joey Ortiz makes a badass play or Perkins makes a badass play. It's like, whoever gets that last play, you know, it's, they get to be so fired up and it's fun. Yeah, I love

watching. Brother, I didn't know you existed obviously before the All-Star game. Then after talking to you, I go to the of the boys that didn't get a chance to beat you i was like uh tie who we were just talking to a legend there it felt like and i started watching your shit and watching the brewer since then fun team bro yeah fun fun fun you're fun you're an entertaining power friendship man that is that is power hey hey put her here pal absolutely right here i got the shirts man these things are these things are dropping i think this week you can get them on athlete's logo

dot com, 15% of them are going to go to the flood victims out here in Milwaukee. Okay, great plug. What is the website? Athlete logos.com. They got everything you need. They got everything you need. They got, check this morning.

They got mugs, hats, jackets, etc. But it's good chunk of that's going to go too. It could cause out there in Milwaukee. All right, we will buy a whole slew for us. And if we can help out any other way, you let us know. Okay, Ty has some baseball questions for you here.

Yeah, Trevor. Everyone always talks about teams peaking too early. Obviously, we have a month of the season left, but you guys have been the best team in baseball since the All-Star break. I think as of this morning, you're maybe seven and a half games up on the Cubs in the division. Is there any thought of that? Like, oh, shit, like we are playing our best baseball right now when we really need to be playing our best baseball in a month and a half? Or does it feel like every day when you guys show up at the stadium regardless of where you're playing? Like, no, we're going to win today and we're in a mode right now where we can carry this through the postseason and like well end

October? I mean, Pat Murphy's slogans win tonight. And, you know, it certainly feels like right now it's when tonight. It's win every night. And, you know, you talk about peeking too early or peeking too later, you know, however that rolls. I think you just kind of with the baseball season, you just go out there and you just keep doing what you're dimming. And you play the game right. You know, you put the buns down. You steal your base. is you, you know, catch, throw strikes, you're going to get rewarded. And I just think that's the one thing with our team right now is we just play baseball the proper way. And, you know, don't count on the long ball.

Don't count on, you know, X, Y, and Z to win the game for us. It's just kind of everybody do your job, keep your head down, let's do it. And, you know, we're seeing the success we're seeing right now because everybody's bought it and they know their roles. And, you know, they're having success within those roles. So it's just everything is working right now. And we'll see what happens in the next 40 games or so, however many we have left. But, you know, we're definitely comfortable talking about it while we're playing

and acknowledging just, you know, what's going on. And I think that's different from years past that I've been with the Brewers because, you know, 23, 24 are both great teams as well. But it was almost like the don't want to talk about it, don't want to change it. It's not like that. here it's okay it's the brewers and you know we're we're feeling it right now so let's just keep it going i love that you guys uh feel legit you know because at the beginning you're wondering you know

you've never experienced it before let's not talk about let's not ruin it okay we're doing something good here baseball so i think you guys do a lot of weird shit i think because of how long the seasons are you know we're doing a lot of interesting stuff from what i've gathered from the movies about your sport not that i've ever been in there so let's not talk about it let's not jinx it let's do that pitchers too i think there's a lot of that conversation now you guys are a mature team. That's what we need to know about the Brewers. They're ready for the moment. Only 40 more games. You guys play a lot of games over there.

Excited for the next CBA for you guys. HEMBO sent me a text, man. Yeah, I just drop that in there. Oh boy, man, stir in the pot a little bit. Yeah, just drop it in there a little bit. You guys play a lot of games on the road a lot. It's not easy. Hembo texts me. He works, obviously, for ESPN. Big Stack guy loves baseball.

Okay, works for Greenie on Get Up and everything like that. He said, just some insight while you were talking, he said this. Trevor McGill throws a 99-mile-an-hour fastball with 19 inches of induced vertical break and an 88-mile-an-hour curveball with 43 inches of vertical drop. That's a disgusting tandem, is what Hembo just said. Literally, while you were talking, he sent that to me. Is that, that's 43 inches of drop off? That's your out pitch, baseball?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's kind of like a little older of a metric, I guess, some baseballs, but we go by like induced on up on all of our stuff, and I think it's around like seven to eight. But yeah, that's the out pitch, 43 inches of the new staff for me. I'd never even look at that number. Hey, Hema's got a big brain, brother. Hema's got a big brain.

We're coming up on a hard out, so I don't want to cut you off here, but I have to. Thank you so much for joining us. Good luck the rest of the year. Absolutely. Thank you guys so much for having me on, man. Tell the lads we said, Hennon, and the power of friendship. Power friendship, go brewers, man. Ladies and gentlemen, Trevor McGill.

Yeah, Trevor. What power of friendship just happened. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. Hour two on the other side. Got a lot of good stuff. We'll see you then. Goodbye.

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August 14, 2025. Our two of the program begins now. Football! It is magical. We're lucky to talk about it every single day. The toxic table is here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. Is it a wolf-helling at the moon in the American flag at the same damn time? Yeah, except I don't know if he's howl. I think he might be on football, too. Okay, yeah, it's out of football. We lost yesterday.

That's not talk. No, we should talk about. Resilience, hard work, not quitting. Not quitting, not burying the ball. You guys lost. Not getting overwhelmed. We're blue-collar players. That's right. Of Uker, card game, created in Pennsylvania. That was Bill's chief's regular season. Yeah.

Congrats, Bill's. Yeah, they won. Foxy and Debutt beat Connor and I yesterday. 9-10-9. At one point, it was 9-1, though. I mean, it was not good. Now, granted, I did two calls during that game. Had no idea what the suit was multiple times.

not paying attention and all of a sudden I look down it's 9 to 1. You're right we didn't give up. All of a sudden I get off the phone. What's the score? 9-1 I'd like to go alone. All of a sudden we're a little bit 9-2. And then yeah just get away then it was 9-3. Then it was 9-4

now we got a euchre 9-6 hold on a second vibes are high D-but starts doing some you know kind of suspect shit he's got some AJ Hawk in him It was awesome. He cut the deck one car at the bottom.

He said it was two, actually. Okay. And then Foxy got a loner. Yeah, exactly. And then he howled right in our face. Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of shit yesterday, but you're right, we battled. I mean, and that's the thing. You know, a lot of teams, a team we were playing, for instance, they quit when they were down 9-1 to us in the sky.

But what do we do? We won 13 to 1. We actually held at the moon right in their faces. Is this a victory lab for a loss right now? Is that what's going on? No, it's general and half of the hammer. Cowboys, AP, Tony. feel like that we're just talking ball we're talking about we're talking ball we're talking about

we're in training camp right now too yeah okay we learned a lot about our team and my cards yeah we are in joint practices they're doing shit we've never seen before hey make the cut i've never seen a a deck of cards cut the way he was cut by the actually i have seen it i have seen it when somebody's trying to make a mockery of cards sure that is what they would do now deep there's no rule against what he did no so i guess that could And then all of a sudden, Foxy gets a loner, literally the next. It's like, I don't know what's going on. I don't like it.

But now that we're in training camp and we're learning what you're doing, Foxy. Yeah, I know. And honestly, I'll be on the plane when you guys beat us like six games in rows. Dibah and I were due for that. Also 9-9. I mean, I don't know if you even want me to say it, but Foxy was shaking in his boots when it was 9-9. Yeah, the whole guy's called. We knew what was going on.

I was there. DeBone was standing in the back corner when we were. in there, so that might have been what the... There's no reason for Debo to catch a straight here. No, no. That's why it smelled like shit in the gazebo. It's not wild. Devo has a great scent. He smells good. One half of the hammer. Cowboys

AP Town is DeBone. He's learning the game. Now you're trying to kick him out of learning the game. There's no reason to do it. His scent was fine. Hey, you come in a gazeba, okay? We do need you to kind of back off the table a little bit. One half of the hammer. He's also a blogger I heard yesterday.

Bone? Well, you told me he was. Remember? Yeah. Oh, oops. He is. He is. And that's not, I, he's got two full-time jobs. He's a blogger.

Tone's an author. The book is currently available. And right now, everything on our store, except for your book, is currently 20% off. And for everybody that was watching and listening, that does know what Eukary is, just know it's a two-on-two game. Me and Connor, damn near are unbeatable. So when other people beat us, it is a big story. This is a big deal.

They had us at 9-1. If they would have beat us 10-to-1, that would have been. been headline news. That would have been, that would have been headline news. It really would have been. Maybe the greatest moment of their card playing lives would have taken place because of how this normally goes. We fought back. We showed resilience. We're in training camp. We're also learning through the need to know gamblers guide for college ball for the 2025, 2026 season. Currently available now, 999. Everything else on a store, 20% off, except for the book because we couldn't rip the people off that bought it yesterday.

Sure. It'd be very rude of us to do. Tone, college balls, right? around the corner. We're excited. Anything not getting talked about enough, you think? Other than is Michigan ruling coming tomorrow out of nowhere, kind of. Yeah, I don't speak about the Michigan ruling in the book. I like to keep it on the field. That's where I live. That's where I work. That's where I play. Some things

that aren't being talked about. Some things that aren't being talked about enough. There's still some quarterback battles out there that aren't being talked about enough by the main media. Notre Dame still hasn't picked a quarterback yet. There's a rumor Ohio State has not picked a quarterback yet. So there's out there, there's still some main big school quarterback battles that are still going on

that are definitely something to watch going in. And not on that top 25, West Virginia still has a quarterback battle happening to. Is that right? Actually, every position. Every position. Between who? Four guys. And they might all play.

They might all play, to be honest. Rich Rod won't give out his depth chart. And they ask about the depth chart. And he, every time he turns it into a scene. And I appreciate the way Coach Rod is operating right now in these press conferences. I like the way he's operating on that practice field. and I like the fact that you see it's top 25 here's a prediction WV will end up in this thing by the end of the season

boom okay at one point or we'll finish in it finish okay also because we'll get hot late I think we're gonna see some hard times brother I think there's gonna be some no just we're transitioning your early season schedule is nice I know it's very boom bang pal watch out of the bobcats week too though

I know Ohio is a team and they got a lot of big time game can't cannot lose to the bobcat rich rod will fight every player on team. Before that happens. There you go to Athens. But that will be, yeah, and a lot of West Virginia fans are buying Ohio season tickets so that the ticket prices won't get run up. Because I guess like season tickets

are cheaper than what the ticket could go up because of the potential travel or whatever. Nonetheless, West Virginia is going to be good. It might take some time, though. We're turning over a brain, I mean, a completely different trees leaf. Different mountain. Yeah, it's a different countries leaf that we're going over here.

So many. Versus what it used to be. But anyways, all the great teams out there. Michigan still has a quarterback battle too I looked at the list I forgot them Chase Herb Street Yeah him and Underwood I guess He could be my making a late A late you know

Poll to be the starter He can't get off his phone allegedly Chase is just In there playing Harts says something about that Pete said there's a quarterback in the country That's so addicted to his phone He might lose his job Yeah or he's in a quarterback battle

And that's what's keeping him back He's addicted to being on his phone I assume he says I'm watching film on here What do you why that's what I'm doing all day every day It's an interesting time right now with technology You know, because we see meetings where guys leave so they have a phone break.

And it's like, oh, that's an interesting dynamic to have to deal with. Joining us now is a guy who's addicted to his phone. And I'm excited to see how he ends up beating it, just like he beat his shellfish allergy that he had years ago, where he wanted to have shrimp cocktail at a Hoytoy event. But he just couldn't because he was allergic to shellfish. So he battled it over years where he would microdose himself with a little tiny shellfish dosings where his body would certainly have highs but he wouldn't die like what was happening

and once he continued to battle against this allergy he inevitably beat it and he put on that tuxedo and he walked into that hoity-toy event he had that shrimp cocktail this is a story that people will talk about for lifetimes he's a college football national champion a super bowl champion one of the most inspiring guys to ever exist kind of going through a hair transition right now but we'll be with him along that path yeah ladies a gentleman a j hawk Thank you for proving that you can beat anything, including shellfish allergies, AJ. We appreciate it. Yeah, you can't.

I don't need any credit for that. I did that for myself, not for anybody else. But I don't, I don't own a tux, let alone, I don't think I've ever rented a tux maybe for prom or something back in the day. But yeah, I can eat shellfish. I can eat shrimp cocktail, and my eyes don't explode. My throat doesn't close up anymore, so I'm good. We're happy for you. That's you.

Worth it. What events have a shrimp cocktail that don't have that type of, you know, set up? thing uh i mean i don't know does anyone wear a tux anymore like when's the last time you saw people wear like a black tie situation me connor we just one one yeah big night out oh really yeah yeah that's true that's true one of them came with no cheeks yeah yeah yeah yeah they do especially tailored yep it's weird you saw michael cole was yeah yeah you know yeah it all out there handsome michael cole so they still exist but that was what you wanted to get the shrimp cocktail green light for right so when you're around these types of people and then

They're all going, hey, Jay, you're going to have to try this shrimp. Harry James? If I have to go somewhere and I'm really hungry and the real food isn't out yet, and they have shrimp cocktail, I'm like, yep, give me a couple of those guys. Those will hold me over for a couple minutes. Oh, you're talking about down there St. Elmo's, Harry and Izzy. Sure. Where you're trying to get something until you're looking for the sizzle before the steak.

You're looking for to enjoy the sizzle before the steak. A lot to talk about in the football world. We'll have Johnny Mansell joining us in about five minutes or so. He's coming with Sling TV. Okay, Sling TV still exists, and they have day passes. So I can't wait to talk to Johnny about that, AJ. It looks like you're interested. I honestly am very interested.

I have tried it in the past. It's been a while since I've used it, but I did try it years ago. Yeah, it was a trip down memory lane whenever we read this. We were like, Slink TV, holy shit. I remember when that was like, now I don't know if we're helping the cause because they're basically marketing people that don't have access to any streaming platforms for Sling TV's day passes, but Johnny will know more. Yeah, he will.

We're also excited to hear Johnny's thoughts on how everything's going. Texas A&M. Yeah, boom. Going to be a team. I guess they will. Going to be a squad down there. Love Elko. Okay, AJ, I don't know if you saw last night history was made.

What's that? Don't play dumb with me. First of all, there's a new album coming out on October. Oh, yeah, yeah. Of course. Yeah, I thought, yeah. I mean, that took over the world, the whole situation. Actually did, yes.

October 3rd, we got a new Taylor Swift album coming out. Life of a Showgirl. Yeah. This album was really. Written, written, while she was touring in Europe, three days show, three days in Sweden, creating an album. I don't know how, legitimately with watching her show, how it's three hours straight, no break, and how many shows she did. Now, granted, she's making an immense amount of money, so nobody's going to feel bad for this.

But just the machine that Taylor Swift is listening to her last night on the New Heights podcast, there's a lot of business game dropped in there if you were to listen to it. I think there's a nice showcase to Travis and Taylor actually in love. And I also think you'll notice that Travis certainly understood that his reactions to everything were going to be judged. Yeah. You know, like it felt like they nailed it. Travis nailed it. I feel like in Jason Kelsey out here launching questions in from a different city, unbelievable.

I want to like, bravo, like legitimately, I thought it was very well done. Now granted, obviously it was edited and all that stuff. Who knows maybe she gave away too much because she is very, very. very cerebral with what is going out whenever it comes to anything about her art and her music and everything but i thought it was incredibly well done it got up to 1.3 million at one point of live concurrent viewers from all around the world that is gigantic has absolutely that is so many people just so happen to have to get there to watch it incredible work and taylor swift should continue to you know i think she should peacock a little bit more about who she is and what

what she is because look at the list here now so rogan and trump uh when they want they got 800 000 live concurrent viewers huge number okay 800 000 concurrence is a huge number we had 500 000 concurrence whenever a 5004 000 i believe is the exact number whenever aaron said yet decisions already been made i'm going to whatever the whole i'm leaving the packers basically huge no absurd number so that is just putting into perspective who the hell she is just so whenever people say like we're tired of seeing taylor swiss it's like she is the one on on this planet earth right now it is no questions asked and i thought she was very human yeah yeah she was very very human on that in showcasing like them actually being a couple i thought it was a cool thing i thought

it was very well done and i'm incredibly proud and happy and uh pumped for them the entire team over there yeah it was really good like jason you mentioned it i thought he was hilarious throughout the entire thing because it was one of those interviews where because Taylor Swift never does anything, you know, stuff like that, that you don't really hear her talk. You see her, but you don't hear her talk. You don't hear her thoughts. You don't hear how she thinks. Like the football stuff, she is very, very genuine, is legitimately learning the game.

She said she'll be an analyst in 16 months or so. Yeah, but then she wanted cover two, cover four, cover zero. You can tell that she is interested in learning. She feels like she is somebody who needs to understand what's going on. Yes. Like I feel like she, you know what I mean, AJ? Like, she's at these games. I mean, people that are high performers usually are very, very curious and they don't think that they have all the answers.

I appreciate her saying that people are going to hate to hear her on that. I appreciate it all of that. Self-awareness seemed to be in there, even though in that particular life with the one she specifically lives, like you can lose all self-awareness quickly, especially for how long she has been who the hell she is, you know? Everywhere she, they talked about her walking into the game. Yeah, the first time that she ever went to the Kansas City game, she walked in the normal entrance with a bunch of Travis's friends that he's been friends with since he was like five years old, and that is incredible. Shout out Scott.

Shout out Scott. Yeah, huge shout out for Scott. Scott's going to love that, Travis. Shout out, Teddard's dad. He got a massive shout out as well, him being like the nicest, coolest guy of all time. And then just from the music side of it, you know, we just went to the Ares Tour, and there were a lot of different eras, and there were some slower music that were about maybe past relationships.

The music side of it, I think, is the most exciting part. This is all going to be upbeat music. We're talking shake it off, we're talking red, we're talking style, we're talking 1989, mixed with, you know, probably some songs about Travis, probably some songs about the Kansas City Chiefs in the Super Bowl. So it's going to be great for maybe, possibly men here on this next Taylor Swift album. What I would like is a dudes are okay album. Bingo.

I would like that a lot, like boyfriends are good, you know? Because it is, as my wife is listening to Taylor's story, I can feel a couple ricochet shots because of what some other dudes who I don't like. I'm not on this. Sure. What they've done to me. Yeah, same team. Hey, hey.

I'm on. I am on Taylor's side in this entire thing. So I'm excited for that, but literally whatever she does is going to work. Like that is how I kind of feel after watching. And I sent a text to Travis and Jason telling him how awesome it was. And also, thanks for the shout out in there. And also in the GQ magazine where he looks super cool. Yeah, he does.

He looks so cool and all those things. I don't know if I would ever sign up for that. I'm happy he did. I'm happy. I would not. I think the photos, if you did it, would be comedy. Yeah, that would be comedic as opposed to a model. Yeah, exactly.

He's so handsome. He's got that awesome. So it's a great time for them. I'm pumped. And Jason Kelsey, just to reiterate the point, what a phenomenal performance. Yeah. Would? Yeah.

His, uh, nice. And then I got a massive pop. I know, I know her and Travis both. track nine would and jason just takes it in immediately wood not night to the next one and then uh taylor called Travis at one point a human exclamation point and this is jason's reaction oh how do i not think of that like that is literally what he says how if i never thought of that how would i miss that is actually what he says i've been with this guy since he's born he is a human exclamation point and i think that is uh that was a cool thing for all of them you know to

to showcase that like, hey, we're humans. We are humans out here. Yeah. Because Taylor has gotten to a point where obviously her fans view her as an icon, which they should. That's how fans feel about people. They're fanatics. And then her haters' viewer is not a human. You know, it's like, this is just a thing that exists that we hate.

It's like, I think it's a little humanizing. You know, I think it was awesome. I'm happy for it. Yeah, it was incredible. And to your point about, like, you know, humanizing, like Jason Kelsey immediately after, I believe, made a joke about the Just for Men that he used in his, beard yeah he said yeah it was a little bit too heavy on the beard yeah yeah i get hair nobody thinks that's actually my beard i uh respect to all of them 1.3 million people

got their way to it to watch it incredible feat congrats to them and uh yeah yeah i think trump was with the uh full send guys too i think that had another 500 000 there's a few but i mean combined the two that that's what it's yeah exactly it's insane that's power taylor Swift. Why these guys, why is anybody a fan of her? It's like a lot of motherfuckers are fans. Yeah. Taylor Swift. Um, joining us now as a guy who a lot of people are fans of, have been for a long time. We watch this dude go from who the hell is that to, wow. Is that the best college football player of all time? Then following his entire professional life and his entire life story has certainly been something to look on from afar and say, I hope he figures it out. Feels like he's in an incredible place now. Representing Sling TV.

We're offering day passes. Let's go. Ladies and gentlemen, Heisman, Johnny Mansell. Yay, Johnny! How you doing, brother? Boys, so glad to be back. It's great to have you, man. How's Sling TV?

So we didn't know Sling TV still existed. We looked into it. We're pumped. We got day passes. We got weekend passes. We got week passes. And the person that's passing the news about the passes, Johnny fucking Manzell.

We're big fans of what's going on. How's the day been with Sling TV? Listen, you know what's? you get, ball, ball, ball, or $4.99, whenever you want it. You don't got to sit there and get tied up and all the, hey, you get hit with another charge, this and that, oh, I need to cancel nothing. You want SEC football, baby? You got it.

Okay, shout at the Sling TV for that. Shout to you for doing it. You've been working today, huh? Yeah, I'm putting on a little work day. It's fine. It's L.A. It's nice. We're chilling.

How has it been? How is everything? Are we still down in College Station every once in a while? How do we feel about Texas A&M? How's Johnny Mansell, brother? You know, Johnny Mansell has been traveling the world with a good homie of mine, seeing some amazing concerts night in and night out. I've been to probably six countries in the last two months,

flying on air Drake, going to see some shows. You know, the last couple shows I've been to, I've asked for some extra tickets, and I'm walking outside of the venues and stuff and trying to go bless some people and just be like, hey, do you have a ticket to the show? The guy was like, no. I'm like, you want to go see the greatest concert of your life?

Here you go. How has this concert been? Drake's concerts have been the greatest concert. They've been amazing, man. The guy has such a legend, such a great performer, so much energy. And to me, just been an amazing friend. I think, you know, there was a point in time

wherever I was in college and I go to Toronto for the first time, mom calls me and she's like, what the hell are you doing? Why are you in Toronto? And why are you hanging out with rappers? And you fast forward 15 years later and we're out the other night and my mom texts me and I pick up the phone, I FaceTime her, I'm with Drake and just the smile on her face whenever she knows I'm in such good company around great people. She texts me right after and she's like, I know you're the happiest and safest you could ever be. Tell Drake I love him. Have fun.

Wow. Such a good family thing by our now. Hey, hey, I like to hear that. Yeah. We don't get that a lot in this world. You know, I don't think that really gets chatted about. You know, Drake run through some stuff, obviously, publicly. We all saw it.

And then his bounce back here has been a big dub, obviously, throughout it all. How has he been through it all? And have you shared, you know, life stories and throughout this 15 years of friendship, have you guys kind of battled through and leaned on each other through it all? You know, we went to dinner. the other night and somebody that we were with asked like you know how do you guys know each other and when it first happened i was kind of like huh like what and his response was you know i don't know we met we hung out i made a song about it and we've been homies ever since and then i went back to the hotel

that night and like really thought about it and like what a crazy story from a kid from curville texas and a guy from toronto can't um can meet the way we did and and end up sitting here 15 years later and be thick of steves as great boys you know everybody in his crew that works that does his music like to me it really really is a family thing and something that you know i make sure to reiterate to him every single time how thankful i am to be able to have somebody like him in my life and i texted him the other day it was just like you know what the vibe and the and what you're you know just kind of oozing out to everyone around everybody that's around you day in and day out is infectious.

You know, it's amazing to see you have as much fun as you do, work as hard as you do, and take care of so many people. I think anybody that really knows him and is around him, fuck all the bullshit. That guy is a true 101. I'd say, and the numbers speak for themselves, obviously, the success as well. He, yeah, I mean, his, what has it been, like 15, 20 years? His dominance by him, through it all. Air Drake, you talk about, yeah, it's like a 757.

or something is what he flies around it's it's the most absurd shit congrats him congrats to you happy you guys are friends and you know can lean on each other throughout this life that's a beautiful thing go ahead a j yeah john i want a quick follow up on the drake situation when when you're actually when you first get to go travel with him and see how he operates and how his team operates i guess was it uh was it eye opening wasn't inspiring to see i would assume a guy like that we just think okay the guy rolls out of bed and he has hits but there's no one really there's no secret to it guys usually are working their balls off and they're especially to stay for as long as he has been relevant how good he is. What's it like behind the scene to see and how everything operates and

how hard he probably works? Yeah, I think I've learned so much being around the day in and the day out from the security aspect of it to the way he moves to just the whole operation of the whole thing is truly, truly crazy. You want to talk about efficiency and how you move and get from one place to the next and like making sure everybody's good like it is ridiculous to have 15 black cars at all times you text in a group chat hey I need to go here I need to do this just the way that it is and and you know you hit the nail on the head earlier where you know this guy could you know get some inspiration from somewhere that we're at and go back to the hotel room at five six seven in the morning eight in the morning sit and create a piece of art in the

room and just bang it out and it's it's been amazing to see i think um for me um when ever he was like you know what come you're coming on tour with me come stay as long as you want if you need to go work go back take care of your business but um just the whole thing i think i look back at this you know when i'm 50 60 years old and it's all said and done he's done making music and be like yo i got to do that yeah not just that there's a lot of things in johnny mansell's life that when you look back at 50, 60 years old. And I assume much like myself, there's no way you thought you'd live that long. So it's like, there's a lot that you've been able to do. Take it all in, brother. Enjoy it. That is what is about all of it, legitimately. Now, let's

talk a little bit about you playing football and who you are. Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Johnny, just off the top of my head, I don't think there's been someone who's had as much like hype and build up in terms of a college quarterback since you until Arch Manning this year. just based on your experience and what you went through after the Heisman year and all that kind of stuff how do you think Arch is going to fare because it feels like half the people are like

hey this guy's going to win the Heisman this year and half the people are like you know what why are we hyping up this guy he might be like the 7th or the 8th best quarterback in the SEC Yeah I think him being the 7th or 8th best in the SEC I don't think we're going to see that

I think he's going to live somewhere in the top three of SEC play when it's all set and done. I think with the people that he's had around him, the way that he was raised, the way that he's grown up, I think he's prepared for what he is getting himself

into. But when it comes down to it, it is SEC football. They are going to scheme for him. They are going to be prepared for him. They know what kind of quarterback he is. So you're getting everybody's best shot. You know, you're starting up the season at the top of the board. You know who's coming

for the top of the board? Everybody below you. So I have high expectations. It's tough to pick anybody that's going to walk on across the stage in New York in August. It's really hard. And it's almost better to not be the guy with the best odds going into it because I can look back throughout the years. The odds on favorite going into the season really hasn't ever been the winner when it's all set and done. But he has the opportunity with the schedule, as the opportunity with the conference, to do everything that he needs to do to be in New York in December. So I expect good things from March.

I hope he goes on and does it. Yeah, helly awesome. I hope he goes off. I hope he goes off. Dude, the hype is crazy. Obviously, I've known him since he's a kid, but like everything else, I've known of him since he was a kid. I haven't known him throughout his entire life, but you get it.

It's like, if he just goes off, the mental toughness, that's why like for guys like you, especially whenever you were down there in Texas, saying him, it was like, everybody on Earth, was expecting you to have a huge game. It's like, hey, one-up yourself from last week, bro. And you just continued to do that. The mentality that it takes to do that, week in, week out, especially with all the distractions,

which we got a chance to see a lot of yours. I couldn't even imagine if nowadays NIL, I'm sure you've done the math. I'm sure you've been asked about it. But like, the NIL world for Money Mansell would have been outrageous. Oh, my God. Think about cash at all the money. Yeah, everything.

Literally the money companies would want to be. be with. Let's not get into that. We don't need to get into that. No, you know, maybe one of these days A&M will slide me a little check under the desk and make it all right. Let's talk about A&M on that. No, go ahead, AP Tone. Yeah, Johnny, quarterback Marcel Reed, who's now, who they basically found last year

as a starter, has got a little bit of Money Mansell to his game. Do you like the Texas AM now has a more of a playmaking quarterback for this season? How do you feel about the boys this year? You know, I was in the U.S. the other day and we had an off night from a show and was sitting there on Twitter

looking at a bunch of camp like you know clips and seeing some like routes on air and seeing some stuff and I hit him on Instagram I'm like yo give me a call and he called me maybe 20 minutes later we sat and had a 20 30 minute phone call and just really trying to give him some tips and just talk to him and see how he's feeling so I think for him being able to spend the majority of the time, being under center, getting the reps, knowing that you're going to be the guy. Listen, everybody can see from what he did when he came in LSU last year that the guy has the ability to shake you out of your shoes,

be an unbelievable threat running the football. I think people are going to be able to prepare for that, and he's going to have to step up in a bigger way, making passes down the field and making the whole thing work. But I think having the full-off season to be able to get the reps, have the time, especially week in, week out throughout the season will benefit him tremendously compared to what he was doing last year. That college station place is awesome. I went down there twice last year. Man, we had a good time on game day last year. That was a hell of a time. Absolutely.

I mean, twice. We're down there two times, and it's like the crowd was immaculate. Now, obviously, I think they're like, I don't want to say forced, but you get, everybody feels obligated to be a big fan. It feels like. Everybody on campus and in that area, I think feels obligated to be a massive fan. The midnight yell practice and the I happen to be staying very close to where that was happening. Very very close. There might have been a bus that I was staying in that was literally right outside the stadium at that particular game and I'm there chilling and I'd heard about it but I didn't really know what it was going to be. I mean it was loud in that stadium and like 1 a.m. and then I'm like oh nobody's going to show up for game

day. I mean this is a quick turnaround. It was like nope they just roll right out of there right into game day it was like what a great football school A&M is like a perfect football school almost do you feel the same way about that town? Oh man it's unbelievable seeing that stadium now and what it is and you know

just week in and week out you have some of the best fans in all of sports you know I think they live for it you know people that flock into that town on a weekend and just absolutely take it over the spirit is

unbelievable. The stadium, you know, the university is great. You know, they love it down in Agueland. And I know for one thing, if you guys make it back this year, I'm taking your ass out on a bar crawl. Okay, all right. So I don't know. Do we still got the bar down there, a shop bar down there or no? We still got money bar. We're alive and well. Okay. So I was out at like nine down there. Oh, yeah. 9.30. I believe Shane was potentially in town as well. Shane Gillis was in town as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you were, I think, and I'm like, I got to wake up very early. It's nine o'clock. Johnny's place hasn't even opened yet. I'm like, what do we, I don't know if I can make it. I don't know if I can make it. I'm an old man, Johnny. We're a late night

joint. We're opening a 10, stay until 2, but, uh, you know, it's, it's been fun to be able to have a place, um, of my own where, you know, I, Johnny football was born on the, on those streets. I could imagine. Some of those photos that I've seen of you from college, just walking those streets thing. I wonder, well. Oh, great. I. Yeah. Of course, of course. A. I couldn't imagine a Drake concert in L.A. Okay. Just Drake's ties to L.A. and everything like that. You were there last night. There was a bunch of sports icons out there. Saw a picture with you and Kevin Duran, obviously. I believe there was also a picture of you with one of our close friends. and everything that's happening?

Okay, yeah, fist bump for Tyrese for sure. Connor has a question. Love him. Yeah, Johnny, how is Tyrese's Achilles doing? You know, we've been kind of worried over here. I spoke to him for probably 10, 15 minutes last night. Walking around on a boot, you know, obviously been with KD a lot. Obviously dealt with a similar injury.

So I think for him seeing him at dinner last night in really, really good spirits, I think, you know, whatever I told them, which was pretty much, you know, you're going through the pain, you're going through the parts that really, really suck. You know, this is as bad as it gets being an athlete having this injury happen. So it's determination, resiliency. I think everybody in the country was enamored with what he did throughout these playoffs and what he did this season. I think the guy is unbelievable talent, a lot of room to grow, and going through. through one of those pieces of life right now where you get slapped with some adversity,

and it really is one of those character-building things of how are you going to fight through this slowly but surely and bounce back. And from what I saw last night in the conversation we had, man, what a guy. I think he's on the right path. He'll be back. Yeah, we love him. He's made the right stuff. All right. So what's next on tour? Where are we headed? You said he'd been in six countries. You're in L.A. right now. We can just consider that its own country as well, I assume with everything. I'm going to work for a couple days, and then I'm hopping on a plane and going to go to Cologne, Germany, and then after that, my favorite little stretch of the tour, we get

Stockholm, Sweden, and then it's eight days in Milan, and another seven in Paris, and whoof, I am excited. Okay. Well, I want to let you know, this is one of the most hysterical things that you could just be doing in life, and we appreciate it. that you're still Johnny football, baby. Enjoy your life. You've earned it. And shout the sling.

Shout out to sling. Yeah, yo, also, something coming out, September 25th. I went on a show called Special Forces. Put me through the military ringer, jumping out of helicopters, off a dam, some crazy stuff. So if you guys want to see me get my asswit by Randall Cobb in a boxing match, make sure you tune in.

Okay, so you just gave a spoiler there. Cam Newton was on this, I believe. Oh, yeah. Remember, he jumps off the thing on the helicopter, and the entire thing shakes. That series seems insane. That is great watch, we thought. How did you find out about it? How'd you end up in it?

And I've been watching it. I've been good friends with Danny Amandola for a long time. He did it the first season, and then, you know, watched Cam, obviously, last year, and then, you know, got the opportunity to do it to this year, and I'm like, you know what? Fuck it. Let me go do it, try it out, went to the deserts of Morocco. After the first day, I was really, really doubting how I was going to get through this. And, you know, picked up a little steam, got the hang of it, and had a really good time.

But, you know, Randall Cobb, that guy's built like a tank. I don't want to spoil the season, but Randall Cobb. He's a guy. This is from, I believe, season, this is Cam Newton boxing on top. And they're literally yelling at them to continue to fight, even after somebody gets. knocked out tired. It's like you go through military training. It's like a boot camp slash military training type with special force folks. It's a real deal. These are real instructors and they're really on your ass the whole time. So, you know, when you step into that world,

you're in their world. It was a, it was an unbelievable experience, one I'm very, very thankful for. I'll tell you what. Day one, I didn't know. I, you know, if I made the right decision to fly to Morocco to do this. But, uh, all right, we appreciate you. Good luck out there, man. all love boys and tell anita max i said hello will you please and uh we need a max women for sure yeah absolutely ladies gentlemen johnny manzo hey johnny just on tour yeah yeah that's all my favorite part we go stock home through denmark and then we're in the lawn for eight days and we're You know, seven days. I'm going to work for a couple days here.

Yep. And then we go. Keep living, Johnny. And I guess I'm happy as hell that him and Drake have remained friends. Yeah, that's cool. And also, Drake, I don't think any of us thought there was a, you know, I think a lot of people doubted. What is next for Drake? Does Drake just kind of disappear?

Yeah. It's like, no. Just sell out arenas and stadiums around the world and just continue doing it. And also, so much of this. I see him doing a lot of this. Oh, yeah. A lot of this. Yep.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Then I've had a huge win. I did it. Boom. Sends it out. I won. And then he's right back into it.

He likes seeing big numbers come across the board. Without a doubt. And he's got a 757-15 black SUVs just all around at all time, moving like the president. Good for them. Enjoy it all, boys. Enjoy it all. That plane, too. I remember when that plane was made and they've released like the.

I think he has a newer one. Oh, really? Yeah, I think. He does. Yeah, I think there's a newer one. I saw that. Yeah, man. Champagne Poppy's been doing it for a long time.

That's right. Calls for his death were grossly exaggerated. Yes, they were. Because now he's just out there doing. And Johnny Mansell, I think Johnny Mansell's got a couple. Johnny's on backup vocals for every song. He's tour manager. They need to give him a towel and get him on stage for every single show.

he's out there. He sounds like he was his backup vocals out there. Okay, so Johnny Manzo obviously coming into the NFL, massive amount of hype. I think Caleb Williams, whenever he came into the NFL, obviously an immense amount of chatter about this is the next one.

This is going to be the next one. This is the great one. I actually had people in the college football world tell me like, you think a team's going to pass on Caleb Williams? Yeah, right. This is the next one. Well, here's Ben Johnson, chit-chatting about where he and Caleb Williams currently are heading into the second preseason game.

You know, he and I met yesterday. I'm pleased with how he's able to spit these plays out right now. He's made significant progress in that regard. And once we get going here in a game week, we're going to condense the verbiage even more. So we've challenged him. It's been a lot. That was by design. And so if we struggle at all in the huddle getting the play out, then, yeah, the delays are

going to pop up. And that's a little. bit of part of the learning process and us growing. But by design, we've made this very challenging and hard. And we know what we need to do as a staff to alleviate some of that pressure. And I think week one, we're going to be in a good spot. Firehows, brother, that's what we sent at him of information. That's not only a message from us to him, but also maybe him to realize what is all takes to kind of do us. We actually did a little journalism from what I'm being told we have found footage from practice of Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams kind of

going through the play call and stuff let's go green right X shift the viper right right right right right right 382 X stick lookie here we go guys green right X shift the viper right 3802 Y stick looking I'm one right let's go scatter to west right tight F left 372 Y stick Z spot Here we go. Scattered to west, right, tight, F left, 3.82 Y, stick. Ah, Christ, just go scatter to west, right, tight, F left. 372 Y, stick, Z spot.

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372. Y-stick Z spot. I'm already... Christ. I'm the problem. You're nervous, aren't I? No, I just couldn't spit it out. That obviously was not.

It was. That was not Caleb and Ben. Who was it then? That was not who that was. I know I saw what you all saw. That was not. Are you sure? The colors look the same.

You're sure. But that is kind of what it felt like Ben Johnson was describing. And Caleb, with how he's played football his entire life, We've talked about this, how Ben Johnson with Jared Goff is going to expect a lot of timing. You're going to have to know exactly what's going on everywhere, and you're going to have to be able to play on time. And if you're able to extend afterwards, that's something I've never had experience of having.

That would be great news. But everything kind of press is kind of predicted off of the literal understanding of the entire offense. You have to know everything that's going on everywhere and what the defense is doing. And when you did you play on time, that's never been how Caleb plays. You know, the Caleb shit is always the conversation. So him having to learn his third offense now in two years. Plus, it sounds like Ben Johnson's play calls are a little bit in depth. Yes.

It's wordy, it feels like, right? It feels like if you're not able to get the words out there, we're going to get the lay of games. That's what he's talking about. So maybe that is why in the first preseason game. Everybody said, well, Caleb's not playing because the offensive line isn't playing. Well, maybe neither of them played because Ben Johnson wasn't sure if Caleb was going to be able to get all of it out there. And we don't want this to be an embarrassing situation here to start this entire. thing because Ben Johnson wants Caleb Williams to succeed. Now, he's probably being a hard

ass on him. He's probably treating him much differently than any head coach has ever treated Caleb Williams in his entire life. I assume this is very difficult for Caleb Williams, but Ben Johnson wants Caleb Williams to be very, very, very successful. I mean, there it is an obvious thing. What are your thoughts on what's going on in Chicago with Ben Johnson and who he is as a coach seemingly? Yeah, I mean, so like Ben Johnson, I would assume he has to love Caleb Williams. He wouldn't have taken that job. He had plenty of options to look around and take other head coaching gigs, I think. So I think he felt good with Caleb going in, but

when you think about it, like, we're just talking about getting the play call out. We're not talking about making plays on the field. Like, that's just, hey, I got to relay the message from my helmet and get the whole play call out, but then you've got to think of, all right, now I've got to know every single situation, pre-snap, post-snap, or make all those decisions.

But, yeah, it's definitely going to be a little bit of a learning curve, but I think Ben Johnson even said, hey, we will cut it way down when it comes to game week, and that's what every single team does. When you break it down, you put your game playing together on game week, it is much, much smaller than what you actually do in training care. Why do you think he said by design, we wanted to overwhelm him early with information? Do you think that was also a mental thing? It's like, hey, this is what this

offense is going to require. Just so you know immediately. This is what it is. And we got to see what you can handle. I think, too, like, hey, we're going to throw everything at you. I want to see how you handle like the chaos. Like, are you going to panic? What are you going to do? Like, Ben knows, like, of course, this is my offense. I know the verbiage better than anybody. I this is what I do. So I'm trying to teach it to you. It's going to take some time, but how do you handle it when I do give you a billion different things?

And it's like every single night, you're going back to your dorm room at 10 p.m. And you have a whole new chunk of plays the next day that you're just trying to figure out. It's definitely a process, but that's what developing quarterbacks is. It's what you have to do. Yeah, I don't think Ben Johnson was going to be, I didn't think Ben Johnson was going to be the coach that he is that we've seen. Like, hey, he's seemingly hard-ass guy. Oh, yeah.

And I think Chicago, you know, I think a lot of Bears fans would probably say, probably have needed that for a while, especially a guy who has offensive prowess seemingly. So I wonder if he has a deal with the team. Like, hey, what if it doesn't work with Caleb? You know, like Sean Baiton had with Russell there for a little bit? Because I don't want to look that far ahead. And we assume Caleb will be able to catch up to everything.

We assume he'll be able to understand it moving forward. And we assume he'll get to the point where he's comfortable, where he can dissect it and understand that maybe the one that is on the play call isn't actually the one in this particular defensive set because they're going to take that out so the two is actually the one before I mean that's like

that's like learning an offense inside and out he's already had to be in his third I mean that needs to be mentioned whenever it talks about the Caleb Williams story hopefully this is the one that he lives in for the rest of his career well and obviously Ben his plan at least to start so far

with the team building has been you know perfect like the entire interior offensive line for the Bears is different now with Jonah Jackson, Drew Dahlman at center, who is the top center, basically in free agency, and then Joe Tuny. So it's not as if Caleb has any excuses. So if the thought for Ben Johnson is, you know, if he has it, of great, Caleb's our guy, let's move forward. But if not, then maybe we need to go a different way. He's eliminated every other excuse. The offensive line's great. They got the running back. They have, you know, DJ Moore, Roma Dunes. They got now Colston Loveland was their first round pick.

the tight end from Michigan, still got Cole Komet, like it really is one of those Sean Payton situations where Sean Payton's first year in Denver, he brings in a bunch of guys. It doesn't work early, but then, you know, whether it worked out or not, Sean Payton knew he needed to move on if they wanted to win a Super Bowl, and then they got their guy. And they took the biggest cap hit in the history of the NFL at the time for it, and now everybody thinks the Broncos are back in contention. We hope that's not the case, obviously, in Chicago or anywhere else for that matter.

But we'll be excited to see what a Ben Johnson Bears team looks like in five. years from now, which I think Bears fans are like, five years? Another? Brother, I don't know if we can survive. This isn't just another ESPN fantasy football season. It's your shot at greatness. With a refreshed design, the ESPN fantasy app is sharper than ever, so you can draft like a pro and dominate your league.

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How you doing, Pete? Good. I'm sure Ty is excited, because this is the waning moments of Connor Stallions's relevance. Okay. I know this is where Ty has had some fun, so I'm curious how he's feeling. Yeah, certainly a good time. It has been a blast, you know. Buckeye Pete here has certainly been in the trenches of this since the beginning. And obviously, this story was just.

gigantic. I mean, I wish we could explain to people that don't remember the time what it was like for you, what it was like for college sports as a whole, what it was in just a sports world, because, okay, so they were cheating, they were scouting ahead, they had cameras on people, they're buying tickets, there was an entire scheme that was taking place. Jim Harbaugh was basically telling him to do it. No, Jim Harbaugh didn't know anything about it, and they were going to win national championship. So it was chaos, I think, throughout it all. So whenever you send his tweet out, we didn't know what this was about. Was this also about the FBI or whatever that brought in and got the computers that were in there because one of the staffers was doing

something else? It's like, we had no idea what this tweet was about. You're saying it's Connor Stalians. What does this mean? We're going to get the final like kind of ruling on the entire Conner Stallion's piece here as you look incredibly thin and tanned up for the sheezen. Yeah. So this committee on infractions is going to make public. It's ruling on the Michigan advanced scouting case. And this is not the so-called hamburger case. And this is certainly not the felonious case of Matt Weiss, the former offense coordinator, which is really, really dark stuff. This is the quintessential collegiate scandal that just, I mean, really took over the 2023 season, Pat, right? And as Michigan went on to win the national title and

It's kind of unspooled and just this wild way. It became this perfect talk show topic, quite frankly, because there was an argument on one side, you know, you should hide your signals better. It wasn't legal, was it not legal? There was all this ambiguity surrounding it. And this will be likely, but not certainly, the final chapter of the litigation of this case through the NCA process. And, you know, we're going to find out tomorrow the punishment, any potential. punishment for Michigan, which I've said on this show before, is likely going to be a hefty fine. And there's not an expectation, Pat, that there's going to be any kind of postseason

ban, and there's not an expectation that any of their accomplishments are going to be taken away. Now, a vast majority of the staff members who got jammed up in this are now gone in the NFL, Jim Harbaugh prominently among them. The real news that's going to come out of tomorrow is going to be regarding the suspension of Sharon Moore. Michigan, back in May, I believe, self-imposed two games for Sharon, game three and game four this season. And what we're going to find out from Nancy Tomorrow is, is that accepted or are they going to add any additional suspensions? Remember, he obviously deleted a thread of 52 text messages in this. Typically, as these things go, Pat, when you self-imposed, it's like buying a used car.

You don't go above the blue book value. When you make your first offer, you go below the blue book value. So there's an expectation that there could be a slight addition to it, potentially. Just if you look at the history of these cases, when people do self-impose, there is sometimes it's accepted. Sometimes there's an additive, but it won't be radically different than the two that are there. And yes, now there's potential for appeals too. So I'm not going to say this thing is over forever. but this is certainly a large, a large piece of this weird wild scandal that is coming to

conclusion. I think we're all excited to move along, you know, we're all excited to move along in this entire thing, but I know there's going to be some people that miss some things. Go ahead, Ty Thammell. Yeah, Pete, just curious, when you look at this situation, obviously not going to ask you to bury the lead in terms of what you think those punishments might be. We'll hear about that tomorrow. Does this kind of mark the end of the kind, I would call it the Buckeye Peach,

greasy Pete era? And does that mean that you're going to be taking your investigative pickaxe and heading for different hills, where you may be mining for gold for some college football stories of collusion or scandal, et cetera, et cetera, later this year? Sorry, I'm just happy you're not impersonating me with a Yankee's hat on. I found that pretty offensive. you did that recently because I'm a Boston resident and a giant Red Sox fan. So I have never had any problems with the impression, but you crossed the line there,

Ty. I took offense to it. You talked about Ty enjoying this entire scandal, yada, yada. A lot of people are attacking you, Pete. Hey, way to stay in the batters box. Out of point, Pete. Way to stay in the batters box. All right. We got some college football questions for you here as we have hard out on ESPN2, but we'll continue

on digital at 157. Go ahead, Tom. Yeah, Pete, we have some quarterback competitions that are getting some heat here later, late in camp. You know, if it was like a month or two ago, I would have said, you know, I would have bet that C.J. Carr would have been starting for Notre Dame and Julianne saying would have been starting for Ohio State. It feels like those guys haven't been announced yet. Is there a chance that they don't start? And then also are we going to see Bryce Underwood at Michigan?

So we'll start with Underwood because you just said to him last. I think that's the general expectation. is that we will see Bryce Underwood at Michigan. Game one, snap one, I'm not sure. But I think as the way things have unfolded there in this camp, I think the expectation he's building towards being the starter for this season. Really, for as much focus has been on Arch Manning and how the hopes of Texas are pinned on him,

I don't know if there's a quarterback in the country who has as much of the team on his back. Certainly there's no true freshman, quarterback in the country who is going to have as much on him as Bryce Underwood. It's going to be fascinating to watch. As for Notre Dame, my understanding is that race is fairly even. And it's an interesting one to see when and if they declare it because the skill sets of C.J. Carr and Kenny Minchie tone are very different.

Minchie does really fit more of what Mike Denbrock has done with running quarterbacks. We saw what they did with Riley Leonard last year. obviously you saw what he did with Jaden Daniels a couple seasons ago at LSU. You can go back to Cincinnati he was the O.C. when Des Ritter kind of came, rose to prominence there. He is used to having more of a dual

threat guy. C.J. Carr is more of a traditional dropback. So a decision from Notre Dame kind of comes with a philosophical decision. If it is Carr, could we see Minchie in a package that utilizes his legs? So I think that race is very close and it

wouldn't surprise me if it goes either way. In Columbus, I think we'll know in the near future which way they go. It's an interesting race. There's been a few of those at Ohio State in recent years. There's, I think, a little bit of pressure tone to kind of pick a guy because, you know, you open with Texas, right? If you remember, the last two national champions, both Michigan and Ohio State, opened with three games where they were prohibited favorites in. It's just a, it's a different approach to the opener when you have to, you have to go and go up against the top five team. So it'll be interesting to see how that unfolds.

I believe there's a scrimmage there on Saturday, and those are always, obviously, giant pieces of empirical evidence in the quarterback balance. Yeah, those are giant pieces of empirical evidence, especially over there in Columbus. Week zero, Farmageddon coming right around the corner. Week one has a massive slate. Cannot wait to get out there to Columbus, Ohio for that.

Now, a man has a question for you that probably knows who the starting quarterback's going to be. Go ahead, AJ. yeah pete as far as rule change i hear they're trying to cut down on people faking injuries and we can't in college brandish any kind of weapons have they educated the referees on what is considered a weapon i mean that's what i'm saying like there's a million different things you can use as a weapon hammer can you explain about india star yeah yeah i'm excited that the faking injuries is going to end because it's just annoying as a as a consumer and viewer uh who is who is unbiased it's just uh it's it's sort of tedious and obvious and against the spirit of the game. So I'll probably, I'll probably just, I'll probably just leave the answer there, AJ.

It is shite. What about, um, what about the, the weapons thing? It's brandishing weapons. Now we can't brandish a weapon. That's great. Imaginatory. No, we understand when the guy, yeah, you get it. We understand when the guy pulls the thing out.

I almost used to. Get out! Yeah. We understand that that the guns, the guns want a little too far. They judge. I'd say, you know, A little bit of a runaway. Right. Acting like you're going to blow a guy's head off. We can't have that in football.

We don't want that in football. But ninja stars, I don't know. Swords. Swords need to stay. Swords. Who have their nerve swords? How do you know? Well, and then I guess you could say, well, this was a water gun.

They're not, dude. We don't need to get into that Samantha. Maybe it is water gun. But we will say we are on the side of we don't need obvious guns, the heads on the football. Unless Dylan Stewart staying over a quarterback. South Carolina's guy who just did right in his face. We're saying we don't need that. But we do got to be a little clear on what a weapon is.

I think is what AJ said. We're going to have a lot of problems. Fire hose. Fire hose is a weapon if you ask Ben Johnson. Yeah, especially Caleb Williams. I mean, you can do it all. We have 30 seconds until we exit ESPN 2. Pete Damel, your prediction that the biggest headline all year of this college football season,

what is it going to be? an unranked team an unranked team reaches the college football playoff final Iowa Hawkeyes West Virginia I just gave a lot of hope to your whole staff Yeah you did that is great news

We'll continue goodbye Okay so now we're digital People are still watching I didn't know if you couldn't hear me Your brain was broken But you were just trying to really think of one You were actually trying to think of one right there watching you create a great headline.

The reaction from everybody on that headline was brilliant. That's Pete Tamo football. That's Pete Tamo football right there. Okay, we have some other questions, obviously. Go ahead, Conman. Authority, yesterday or two days ago, John Gruden came out and basically said, like, hey, I love the SEC.

What a dream it would be to coach in this conference and that he does want to coach again. Will there be teams, you think, that we'll reach out to John Gruden? are there SEC teams now this season that are going to have any sort of kind of prove it year type things a la hugh freeze at auburn do you think john gruden realistically will be yeah Arkansas sure do you think that there's a chance gruden's going to be coaching the cc next year my hunch on gruden conner is that look there's 136 of these division one fbs chops right it's a star wars bar right you go from miami to seattle

from Phoenix to Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts, right in your neighborhood, Connor. Like, there's just, there's a lot in between, right? Marshalls and Western Kentucky's and Arkansas states. I think John Gruden could land somewhere amid that. I would not project him to go to the SEC. I will be amused if in the... Why not? Why not? Why not?

I think there's just better college coaches available than John Gruden. John Gruden. certainly an excellent football coach. Peter. But, whoa. Beed! Authority! You think that, honestly? Why do you think that? John Gruden? This is John Gruden we're talking about. He's coached G. I don't believe he's ever coached in college.

He has coached the other. Okay, so do we think Billalichick's going to be able to figure it out maybe now that it's professional football at the college level? I'm certainly not going to doubt Bill Belichick. I just think that the university hiring process for John Gruden, who's in mid-ongoing litigation, could add some complexities to that. That's a reason. I understand. I think that was going to end with John Gruden,

maybe being able to take a little lower salary from these places. Don't you worry about it. I got some league money that'll go ahead and do that. I'll be excited to see what that is because you get John Gruden in a room, any room. He's taken over the room. So if he gets an interview, I don't think John Gruden leaves the building deciding whether or not he's taking the job.

I think he's the one deciding whether or not he's taking the job. gets in a building, just personally as somebody that has watched a lot of clips of John Gruden, he walks into a room, he's winning the whole room over, especially if it's a football room. Like, I think that is just how it's going to be. That'd be fascinating to see. Because

Bill Belichick wasn't going to college. No, correct. And then, like, North Carolina's, how is it going down there? What have you learned? We're going to be. Are we going to be there? Yeah, we're going to be there. I think we're going to be there. I think they announced it, Pat. I don't know, your show is going to be there. I think you're going to be there. Yeah, I'm going to be there. Yeah, we're on. Monday. Our show's Labor Day. It's Labor Day. That's right. So I don't think we are on, but I believe we're doing a full kickoff show for their entire on that Monday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. So North Carolina has 70 new players, Pat. So I could not like earnestly tell you what they're going to be like. I have no, I have no earthly idea. And I just say that there's just so many new bodies there. I would project the Gio Lopez from South Alabama's their starting quarterback. He's a little runaround guy who is,

who's very productive at South Alabama. And then it's just a bunch of portal guys. Like the proven skill at the ACC level is to be proven, I would say. They lost Amari in Hampton, obviously, the NFL draft. They lost Bo Atkinson, the D-N, who's going to play real snaps at Ohio State. And then obviously they lost Amari Campbell, the linebacker, who projects as a giant contributor at Penn State. So the two best players at North Carolina left after spring. And so, again, there's.

There's a trust of Bill Belichick in the evaluation process, roster building process, coaching process. I was reminded of this the other day by someone that so much of college football, much like the NFL, is not losing the game as opposed to winning the game. And I think there's a lot of faith in Bill Belichick, like keeping it in the margins, getting it to deep water, figuring out a way to win the game. If you look at their schedule, it's fairly manageable as things go. I believe they're a three-point underdog to TCU in the opener.

Some of your guys would know that off the top of their head. So, yes. Yes, okay, sitting there now. Yeah, and look, like, it's one of the beauties of opening weekend in college football. There's just so much roster change and so much overhaul. It's unbelievably difficult to predict that. So I have general good feeling about Bill Belichick in North Carolina, but I, you know, I'd be naive to be too bullish because of just the myriad unknowns. Yeah, the myriad of unknowns is everywhere these days.

except for seemingly down there in Texas in Ohio State. Hey, how come Ohio State's plucking all, everybody's good players? It's ridiculous. I shouldn't we start talking about what they're doing? Yeah, they took Western Jersey's running back. Yeah, they did. We'll take you. They go to North Carolina.

We'll take you. Purdue's tight in. I think they came willingly. I think they came willingly. They didn't have to take anybody. Oh, okay. Bill probably told those two players like, hey, we're going to be fucking shit this year, so we should go.

How much are they paying you up there? Yeah. Get out of here. You're not going to make that much money in the NFL either, so you should be up there. All right. Speaking of money, there's a big money conversation happening on the internet. Mr. Ty, Pete? Pete, do we have any kind of updates in the John Mateer situation? I don't know where you stand on this, but for me personally, it kind of just seems like a de facto witch hunt almost. You know, kid goes to a new location, and all of a sudden they're looking through Venmo transactions from when he was in eighth grade. It seems like a bit of fucking bullshit to me. where do we stand on this whole situation? Is there any chance that John Matier kind of gets, I don't know, rasseled up in this whole thing and he's going to face some punishment? Or is this thing going to kind of get brushed away because I think we all realize that there's really no way they can pin any kind of gambling accusations on him?

So I checked it on this last night, Ty, and everything was fairly quiet. John Matier made his statement two days ago in the afternoon. He said, said the sports gambling references were, I think, quote, inside jokes amongst his friends. Of course. The homage. Yes. Yes. The homage. The boj. Yes. The boge. Yes. Sarcastic references between friends, roommates, et cetera. So ultimately, Oklahoma or the NCAA, if they were going to get into this, would have to find something. My hunch at this juncture is this kind of fizzles out in two months from now. We're going to be like, hey, remember that day when John Metier did that something on Venmo and we're going to kind of move on. That is where my understanding is that it's trending right now.

A lot of modern gambling, like this isn't like you'll pay the bookie in the parking lot at Perkins anymore. It's pretty trackable through your phone. So I think they'd be able to, you know, the due diligence on this shouldn't be particularly difficult. And that's at this juncture,

of course. Just this juncture. I don't think you'll ever catch me going past this juncture, Pat. Okay. Hey, be where your feet are. Yep. You know, be where your feet are.

That's what it's all about. We appreciate you in this juncture and all the future ones. The Authority, Pete Thammell. Can't wait to see you on the road, brother. Yeah, look forward to seeing you at the juncture of Columbus. Boom. Well shed. Pete Thammell.

Yeah, Authority. Unbelievable performance. This vocabulary. He was great. Hey, he does. Yeah. Looks great. Yep, he's ready to go.

His head being cut off right at way. Yeah. That's classic. That's last piece. That's Pete. Pat and I both thought you were going to say pee-be-slapped. Yeah, for sure. And I'm happy you didn't.

It's because, you know, he was already on edge a little bit because the Yankees had the last time. Yeah, exactly. And roster changes almost got him, too. Yeah, I agree. That was close. Yeah, it was very close. That was an aggressive, I'd change. I agree.

You could argue. I'd love him. He does know everything. He does. God lives on his phone. He is a robot. A.I. Yes, he is.

Human form. It was before our show, I think, at JMU. last year and it was right around the time the Connor Stallionish things were all heating up and he was literally on his phone for five hours straight before the just pacing back and down in the hallway and see and be like sorry big phone call I gotta go I can't talk right now that's his life right there

good a she I'm on the phone the AD's yeah he's got his shoes untied he has like nice shoes on he's got his entire thing and the shoes are untied because I think he is a pacer like he's a mover so like when he's on the phone he's moving and grooving and if you accidentally get his attention while he's on the phone i think he feels obligated to certainly address you yeah but he's in the middle he also great to she i can't talk i'm on the phone with multiple ad oh she this year coach this year

athletic trip they don't know that i'm speaking of both of them outside the side of his mouth how about him muting how about him muting yeah yeah i don't think he's going to like that i think he's going to I think you really would love. No, he's so good that he could tailor all of his words to both conversations. Just sending, oh, talking about it. Yep, yeah. No matter what the other side is saying. You heard what they were saying about Woach?

Mm-hmm. Whenever he retired, this guy's taking a shower, and he's scared that he's going to get steam on the windows because he's not going to be able to see his phone light him. This is the life that he's living. This is what Schefter said. And Schefter's saying that because that is the life that Schefter lives. Correct.

And Schefter, and these insiders are very, much, you know, very, very much, like, glued to their phone. College Insider, 130 teams. Okay. NFL, 32. NBA, how many? 30. 30. I think. Yeah, 30. 32. 32. 32. 30 in the MLB. Yeah, there is. A lot less than college football. So passing. Yeah. So now we're getting passing's world as well. And I'm not saying that they don't have a lot of shit. They do. They all of them got a lot of shit.

That's part of the job. Shams, always on his shit. Obviously, that's how it goes. 130 teams. Okay? Then he has to build relationships with the low-level good ones, because we've got to work that up as they get going up there. So it's like signing up to be a college insider.

He's also doing college basketball. Two sports. Yeah. So when you talk about being committed to the game, that's Pete Dammle. Yeah. I don't fuck around with this shit, okay? It's true.

serious shit. God, I wish you would have punched Bruce right. I love seeing him the games. Oh, man. When Prison Pete

showed up and Bruce went and grinded on him that ball that was one of the best thing. He was getting in his thing. He was getting in his face.

Slim shady Pete. Yeah. That was amazing. Slim shady Pete walked. Pete Rabbit. Yeah. Pete Rabbit.

Good call. Bruce just in his face. Everybody from the 3-1-3! It's a good reference. It was. Pete didn't answer what what school or team Ryan Day

will have them target this year when Ty asked him. That's a Michigan fan. That's a Michigan man. They're not going to get fined, right? They find college teams? Who pays that? This school? Boosters that just really have billions of dollars up there in Michigan. And then Sharon Moore,

is he going to be able to pick the next two games he gets suspended? Because remember, they pick the third and the fourth game because the first two can't miss them. Right. Can't do it. He can miss the third and fourth one, which I think it's hilarious okay i just want to let them know and i'm a michigan fan you know i picked against them that entire year just because i thought everything was coming out which was coming out at the time like football gods aren't going to bless this team then they had a pudding and that actually

made me say you know what this this can't be they're clear this can't be as big of a deal as everybody's making it because the football gods would have punished them at some point and then learning about hardball even more and then getting to learn that team it was like hard to pull against it you know the whole shit is crazy now granted did something happen that they were benefiting from? I, yes. Is something going to take place tomorrow that's going to piss off the Michigan fans? Definitely. Is the rest of the country going to think it's not enough? Definitely. And then we're just going to move on to the next one. Yeah, that's right. And I think this will be it. Yeah. For Coner Stallion. Yeah, I mean, really, as long as they don't vacate the national championship,

I think Michigan fans will sleep soundly at night. They'll certainly throw their barbs and, you know, call Pete a piece of shit and call him a greasy, son of a bitch and all that kind of stuff. But Pete's a tough, he's a tough guy. That's a snort into the microphone from A. P. T. It is good to have Tide Pete back. It's that season.

It is. It is. It is. It's right around. There's another guy, you know, that might get back in the ties lexicon as well. Well, the utter guy, never at least. Not the utter guy. Not the other guy. Not that guy. I'm talking about, possibly, Jay Glazer, who we saw the other way.

Living his best life. He's killing it. He's killing it. This is, what year of training camp tours is for him? I forgot at the beginning. He was everywhere. 38. I'm so happy for him, man.

He looks like he's genuinely happy. Yeah, he does. And it was a long time where I think he wasn't. Yeah. So good for him. He's living. Where'd you guys see him? Why would we bring up Jay Glazer?

Something got sent to the group. I thought he was at Steelers or something. He was the Steelers at Lines and he flew home and had an incredible dinner from Nobu, I believe. That's what I'm talking about. Right, AJ? Was that what I was? That's Jay Glazer football. Age?

He loves the Detroit Airport, too. He really put it over, as you would say. You send it in, age. Remember that long walk? Did they still got that long walkway with the avatar roof? Yeah, I believe that's the Delta Terminal. Best in the nation, everyone says. That's not true.

No, actually. No way. Detroit is very nice. It's actually what people say. Yeah. What's your airport would you put up there? Pittsburgh International is obviously. Always winning awards.

Pittsburgh is great. I mean, truly, and I know it gets a lot of gruff. I think. the India airport's awesome. It gets gruff. I think the Indian airports. Yeah, it doesn't have enough flights and stuff and some of the places.

Very convenient. I think it, I mean, I leave typically if my flights at like 12, I mean, I'll leave my apartment at 11. And I'm on the plate. Yeah, good. This last time that I did that, boy, oh boy, I was sweating dick.

Yeah. I think you. But, but so far, it's coming up sevens, baby. I think you should maybe add 90 minutes. I think, yeah, 7s is good in a slot machine. I think you should add maybe 30 minutes or so into that. Perhaps first roll, 7 and 11 good.

Okay. Any other roll not good. Sometimes it is an hour 15. You should give it 90, I think. Just personally, I think you should think of it. I just hate sitting there. Yeah, but you are going to hate so bad missing a flight. There's two brand new restaurants.

They just put in a 1933 in the A terminal, which, man, they needed to get champs for a long time. Yeah, that champs was interesting. They make good cocktails. They need to put the Chick-fil-A in the airport, like inside it, past security. That's what we're telling you. You don't need to mess around at Chick-fil-A. Well, I don't mess around at Chick-fil-A because it's before security.

I wish it was hungry. Go get yourself a nice meal. Good to cocktail. At 1933. Get some steak sliders at 1933. I mean, I will. I got a long flight ahead. You do.

That's wild. AJ. Everything's pretty crazy. Very long. How long? How much time you got? Has anyone been there before? No? Well, it depends on what you believe.

Ladies and gentlemen, we've got to talk about a couple things that happened while we were gone. The Buffalo Beals are pitching to potentially get the draft, I believe. And I would like to say, from what we have learned about the draft, traveling around with it, very lucky to cover it over the last seven, eight years as it has developed into what it is, Buffalo would be a phenomenal home for the draft. I mean, after what we just witnessed in Green Bay, obviously what we saw in national. and what's going to happen in Pittsburgh. I think what people are about to see in Pittsburgh is about to be pretty outrageous. I think just with the views, the spectacles, and the amount of football people that'll kind of flock there just to celebrate football, which is basically what these drafts have become.

I think Buffalo would be a great home, AJ, especially if they got this new stadium and that other parking lot is just going to be filled up over there. Yeah. It'll be wild. And don't you think, like, as the draft continues to get bigger and bigger and it travels around, each city wants to, like, represent, like, hey, we are the biggest NFL fans. You guys, last year, yeah, that was great, but, yeah, like, we are the best. Like, I think that's what's cool about it, too, and it's going to continue to get bigger and bigger. See, it feels like that for game day. Like, oh, yeah.

Don't, no doubt. That's what it feels like for game day. Whenever we'll go to a place, I'm always, I always do wonder, like, how it's going to be out there. We hope, we hope, obviously, that is the goal. I hope, at least, that there's people out there ready to, you know, have a great time for the next few hours. And then once I started doing the show, I'm like, oh, they all feel like obligated. to put on for their school here like okay so this is like a this is my generation's opportunity to represent for our university so and i've like kind of seen that i think that's one of the

beautiful things about college football is like kind of representing the pageantry the tradition and everything that you have going on and it's like the draft becoming that would be very cool like i think that would be because even if it's just the midwest representing at a place or like northeast football yeah representing or if they do it down in florida it's like florida I think you can kind of create that type of feeling of this is your football community being represented basically because the NFL draft is obvious it is what it is yep okay and there's some electrifying moments in there of course but I didn't expect the amount of people to be at Green Bay no at all at all and they start talking to people and it's like this football like we're

doing football right now like that is how they were that's how they were viewing it and uh what a show that is becoming it's all because what happened in New York they booked the Rockettes at the what was the theater radio city musical radio city musical uh obviously one the most famous in the history of the world the NFL draft was out there for so long and then they were basically told nope can't do the draft in radio city musical we we booked the Rockettes for that date and I assume they're like can we can we potentially we can't really move it radio scene is Rockettes okay mad respect I guess don't they do like 2,000 shows a year sorry to cut you off but the Rockettes

They're also synonymous with New York They're awesome That's what I'm saying Yeah good for that That's Raj taking something That could be a negative And making it a huge positive And much better for everybody

And much better for football I mean These are live live huge events That are at festivals of football And they haven't overtly said it But it is kind of cool How like they're basically going to places That aren't ever going to get the Super Bowl

Because of the climate Rod said that didn't he He didn't come out and say it He kind of alluded to it. But pretty much. And we've also seen, like, with how many people are in Green Bay, like, it's obviously not the same as the Super Bowl, but, like, what it does for the local economy

when it does come into town for three days, like, it's massive. Yeah, we paid, what, 10x what a normal Airbnb price? Yeah, yep. The parking, all that stuff. The parking. Everybody's front yard. Yep. That was cool to experience.

It's like, I think the same thing will happen on Pittsburgh. Yeah. And every city needs to do what, like, Mark Murphy does. Like, I don't know, or did, rather. I don't know what position the Steelers haven't drafted in 20 years, but when Mark Murphy, they did that Matthew Golden announcement, that was one of the most electric. There's only one position that's coming next year.

Corbeg. Yeah. They got a bunch of first round picks. They're going to draft a corbag at home. Yeah. What if Will Harn's a guy? You got just automatically moving on for Wollhard? No.

Six round picks. Fifth. Fifth. I think it was six. Shit. I think I'm pretty sure he's trying to help him out. You know, I love Will. Yeah, me too.

And he started camp great before he got his injury. And listen, he is, no, he's not shy about competition. Big butt coming at the end of this. There was a big butt, but he's not shy about competition, yeah. Yeah. He's put him over. And then he buried him. No, I just say he's not shy about competition.

What if Aaron wants to play another year? What are they won a Super Bowl? He doesn't. He doesn't. And he's a man of words and words or spells, so he won't do that to himself. Unless he's casting them reverse spell on himself. He wouldn't do that either. Which could be the.

case. Like a reverse aging spell? Yeah, reverse like the Benjamin Button spell. It's like whenever you cross swords. Yeah, fingers. But if you do it twice, then it's the same. Cancels out. If anyone knows you can't reverse spells, it's Aaron. Aaron knows how to reverse a spell.

Yeah, but what if he's wearing this? Oh, didn't even think about that. Then the spells don't work. Aaron gave you that, right? But on Amazon, but it looks like the one he was wearing. Yeah, warts off fuel spouts. I need to order one of those. It came in a plastic bag. Just a tiny little plastic bag.

I mean, I order one for the season. I don't know if it was blessed or not. It feels like it probably was. It was. I think that's just what they do. I wonder if he'd give me a vial of his blood to wear for the season. Oh, please ask him for that. And on that note, we'll get out of here on Thursday.

That would be great, though. If tone did. The Little League World Series is happening right now. I'll go ahead and watch the boys play. There was some scrutiny, scrutinizing of the Midwestern representation in a little Little League World Series yesterday by tie pretty loudly, I will say. Do not like the way the Illinois team was playing. No, yeah, the Great Lakes team.

And you know what? I'm not wrong. They've got to be like 16 to 1. You can't go to Williamsport and do that. You just can't. And I'm pretty sure Bone played in that little league. And that really tells me all I need to know about that particular little. But those kids need to learn from this and get better going forward.

Without a doubt. Without a doubt. And that's the opportunity they'll have. And you know what? It's double elimination. So you turn around. You beat some team from Connecticut or something like that in your next game. You're still dancing.

But you were basically talking like, hey, as a team, that's representing the Midwest now. We need... I can't have your starting pitcher throwing it 52 miles an hour right down the middle. So what is that expected? How old are these kids?

11 to 13. Okay. What is 50-something mile an hour knocker? What is the... Back when I was watching the Little League World Series, like when I was a little bit younger. The kids weren't the actual age, right? Yeah, they cheated a lot more.

You know, you have a 17-year-old playing in there, throwing 85. It was cool. He was cool. He was awesome. He was also... He was also... He was Kailin Pimintel,

who was throwing 75. Yeah, but Pim was a... He had a full goatee at 13 on the bump. It's like, something's going on here. But then you see him throwing smoke. It's like, you know what? Let the boy play. Just let him play.

I want to get back to those days. And the Illinois team, too, just to be fair to Bowen for once. He was like the Movon of his league, too. He wasn't just some slouch when he was playing. You're right. Yeah, you're right. He was the Movon. Yeah.

Just the fattest baseball player. Brin's taking a lot of shots today. There's no reason for any of them. No reason. He's in decent shape. He's in decent shape. You guys act like bone can't even walk or stand up. Yep.

Like he's 25. He's a fully fond of human. What's that bad? He's 25. He is retired athlete. Okay? We are watching retired athletes. Olympic athlete, right?

Or representative of America. National champion. He's a D3 offense alignment. National champion. Yeah. There's, you know, guy to wash his own pads. He's got the same amount of that he's as AJ Hawk. Exactly.

That's what I'm saying. Same rings. Got more rings. I do, more rings than I have. You, but you, you know, he's a retired athlete. And I think he's just enjoying his life for a long time. He probably had a lot of, you know, this he's enjoying his life. And the boys who aren't mannequins, bodies.

No, not even close. Are just trying to let him know, like, something to think about here, at least as we're moving forward. You know, in D-Bone, I think he is a big independent. You know, yeah? I think he's a... We know that. stubborn, but boy, he is talented. He is.

I'm just worried because he cut out pop and then we announced the Dr. Pepper as the and, you know, I haven't seen his eyes light up like that since I've known him. He did go to the gas station 10.30 at night, send a photo to the group text. Getting a four-liter of Dr. Pepper.

What was that? Yeah. Specifically made for him. Yeah. It's like Derek's bottle on the right on the top. And he had retired from Pop just a couple days before this. Yeah, the day of actually, his fiance bought him McDonald's, which he was steadfast. I didn't ask

for it. I didn't ask for it. More nuggets, no. It showed up, along with four large Dr. Peppers. So he says, like, well, she was excited about the Dr. Pepper deal. And I was like, Bon, I'm on you. I know that's your regular order. I know you're drinking. That's what he actually showed up at the drive-thru, and they used to say,

we got it. Yeah, we got you, Bon. Oh, dear! Yeah. Over break, we found out that he goes to McDonald's every day with six, 80-year-olds, and has conversations and as many Big Macs as they can eat. Like the morning coffee guy? Yeah, exactly. Bohn was with them?

Yeah. And also... He goes inside and eats with these guys? Yes. Oh, yeah. I actually found it kind of nice. I actually brought his mouth. He's got a community.

Yeah. He's got a community. None of them are fat if they're 80 years old. Remember that. Let's all remember that. All right. Let's get to hell out of here. We'll be back tomorrow for a feel good Friday.

First one in a while. I know. Let's go. Oh, the vibes tomorrow. Oh, so feel good. I've been saving something all week for tomorrow. I've been waiting all week for Feel Good Friday. Age?

How about you? What could be? It's not anything for the show. It's actually strictly for the guys and what I worked on over making. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yes. Really?

Yeah. I've been in the lab a little bit. Oh, no. I got to see this. Yeah, I'm pretty pumped out. I mean, I can share it on my iPad in, but just tell us. Is it utilizing a friend of ours? No, it's not.

No, no, no, I wouldn't. I'm not even thinking about bringing that up yet, but the thing that I worked on... I'm telling you, AJ, we got it. That might be a 2026 thing, but the... We got it. We have figured it out. Nobody even knows.

Nobody, I don't think anybody in our world has any idea what is on the horizon. I'm not even telling anybody out of here. I've been trying to keep this one, you know, tight other than almost saying it right to Deschambe's face whenever he was like, AI is the big deal. It's like, you have no, you don't fucking know. You don't know. You don't have Google doing it. I'm in there coding this damn thing.

You know, basically, we know the AI. Yeah, slow it down. Slow it down. Slow it down. Is Sweet Blake involved? Just shut up. I think Sweet Blake probably laid the foundation to get to where we are right now in this AI world. But we're leaning in.

We've leaned in a little bit. Oh, I ain't leaning anymore. I've jumped in. Yeah. I've spent numerous nights basically all night just trying to learn as much as possible I'm not going to say

it's too much it's a good thing though it's positive new frontier brother it's a great thing yeah for some oh tie it's a new frontier all right

and you know I'm I'm sports stooge in this entire thing you know but every once in a while there's some vitamins in the air maybe and we get locked in on something and we see massive opportunity it's like hold the fuck on

what is possible here you should probably learn that one yeah I think I'll dive head in what is all possible in there here I'll fucking okay I guess I will spend some brain power on this thing and it is being a delightful treat

the future is bright folks we got to stop shout out to Dr. Pepper shout out to love your dog No, Dr. Pepper. Fuck, Dr. Pepper. Be your friend, tell a friend something nice. Might change your life.

We're listening together. AJ, we want good vibes out of you tomorrow. Feel Good Friday. For sure, always. You know that. Hell yeah. Can you talk to the general between now and tomorrow's show and get, like, a real combo out of him

about him doing those 20-half gassers? He did it. Yeah, I watched. I call into his radio show every Friday morning. I'll talk to him. We just need a little bit more intel on, you know, Do we have that video? I could donate more.

I could donate more. Finish the last one early. Finish the last one early. Impressive. Oh, yeah. It's unbelievable to watch. And then he took me right back to when we were doing sprints at West Virginia when he was doing it. Even Schlegel's count.

Even Carpenter after the first one, bitching about how loud Schlegel was with his stuff. I need you to be louder with those times. Because you're trying to get it in 17 seconds. So there's a time in everybody's mind when they got to get to the other side, how much time they need to get 53 and a third. That's how wide a field is. So you're always trying to calculate how much time do I need to get to 53 and a third to get through there under 17. So he didn't think he could hear Schlegs count, so he was off, you know. Because the first couple, I'm not going to say it.

But I don't think he would. Everybody's running another sprint. Close. So when I saw the first one, I'm like. I think he was 18. I think Big Speed was 18 seconds. Yeah, but he tweeted 17. Oh, he did?

Okay. And yeah. He tweets. He's got to do it again tomorrow then. Boom. There was a couple. at the beginning where he couldn't hear the count where I think he got in like 17

Vennycrossed it was like all I heard was bar was, is that right? And then fucking full stop everybody you got another one in there and there's just humans walking around the field just like ladies just walking I don't think they had any idea what was

happening behind them. No. I want to say it was practicing a couple fields down. The bucks were out there practice. Just trying to accomplish a feat that I didn't think a body this old could do or want to do and i like that slags were saying hit every single time it did take this back in time this first turn the volume up 16 17 yeah you got no louder dude that is exactly what happens you go i need i couldn't hear i need to know what the number is did 20 of them now fast forward all the way to the 20th one if you could it doesn't like a

14.5, yeah. Yeah, his last one was very... He knew it was the last one, so he gave it all? Gave it all. Well, that's all you're trying to do in these things. You were trying to get in at 16.9, and then you're trying to exert all your energy into the last... Yeah, 14, 15.

Yeah, he's at 15 and a half there for the last one. That's 20 half gasers in. 106 and 2 thirds yards. Does great. Unbelievable. 30 seconds wait. That is not a lot of time. No.

At all. At 15, he was, and Slate comes over, and Bobby Carpenter says to the strength coach, he goes, fourth quarter coach. And Slakes immediately goes, fourth quarter, Bob, you know, the whole thing. Congrats him. Another year saying he can do it. Now, training for next year starts right now, I would assume. I'm worried, at some point in his life, he's probably not going to make it, right? He's not going to get all 20.

Bro, both those hamstrings. He's freaking blow his head off. Like, if he doesn't make it, he's going to blow his head off right there. His Achilles. He's going to tear her to kill him. That's what, that's why he's going to, if I bring it up to him, he's like, no way, dude, I'm always going to make it until I'm dead. I'll make it.

Dude, I thought he was going to blow both the chances. Because the way he runs, interesting. He prances. Bobby's a prank. He can, he could stride and prance all day long. He really can, but it's a lot of movement, like his, and I'm like, as you get tired, how much do these hamstrings have. And look, I know Bobby, his heart and soul is going to go until he dies.

Yes. But I'm wondering, I'm thinking like the hamstrings may be going to at some point. Not at all. Look at them, stride. It's full leg extension. At what year? Forty-what? 42? 42.

Unbelievable. You still with him next time, age. Yeah, nope. Maybe you're the one cotton so he can hear it, you know? Bobby had strictly upper body surgeries in his career. He didn't have many lower body. He snapped his leg in half in high school like his junior year. So he didn't have many lower leg injuries,

except for he snapped the thing in half. I guess he hasn't had knee surgeries, He's all I'm saying, yeah, just no knee surgery. Yeah, because he does look like those knees are nice. Fresh. That's unbelievable stuff. Good for him. Shout to affinity.

Yeah, sure. Shout to affinity health forever. Honestly, shout out. Honestly. Can you imagine running 20-half casters? No way. No way. All right, let's get to hell out of.

Happy birthday, Bob. At a baby, birthday, Bobo. General. Be a friend, tell her friends, something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Team on me, team on three. One, two, three, team.

Goodbye.