The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1389 - Country Music Superstar Riley Green LIVE in the ThunderDome, Pete Thamel, Chiefs Owner Clark Hunt, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: August 15, 2025

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about the final ruling in the Connor Stallions situation, as well as the preseason action around the NFL, with some starters playing around the league. Joining the progrum LIVE in the ThunderDome is country music superstar, Riley Green to chat about his career, having his own bar in Nashville, his college football career, what he’s got coming next, and much more. Next, NCAA Insider, The Authority Pete Thamel joins the show to wrap up the Michigan/Connor Stallions situation. Later, Kansas City Chiefs owner and co-chairman, Clark Hunt joins the show to chat about the new documentary, “The Kingdom,” that debuted last night on ESPN/ESPN+, his father’s legacy in getting the NFL to the place that it is now, how ecstatic the Chiefs are to have Taylor Swift as a fan of the team, and more. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you on Monday. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our Humble the Bow, the Thunderdome. On this field good Friday, August 15th, 2025, this program begins right now. Football! It's amazing. There's games tonight, obviously, throughout the entire weekend. We'll be chit-chatting about the preseason games and what we should expect. Adam Schaefter will join us later in the hour. We can't wait to catch up with him and break it all down. The toxic tables here at Boston Cowner and at Tosh Schmidt.

One half of the hammer. Cowboys AP Tone is here and also Clark Hunt will be joining us in the next hour the owner our next hour the owner of the Kansas City Chiefs currently and they have the kingdom documentary series that's running on ESPN and I will tell you what Lamar Hunt okay Clark Hunt's father this dude was a bad motherfucker yeah yeah this guy was brilliant this guy basically laid down the groundwork for what we know of football And they're telling that story all the way to passing over, I assume to Clark becoming the ownership, to them being a storied franchise that I don't think any of us knew, started in the AFL in Dallas, and then they moved to Kansas City because of, you know, a little bit of contract stuff with the NFL. And this Hunt family has done a lot for football, and I think that's what the kingdom is kind of showcasing, while also putting a spotlight on the current dynasty that's being built with goats at every single position. It's a home run, I think, from what we saw last night.

We'll talk to Clark Hunt in the second hour. Can't wait to catch up with him. But ladies and gentlemen, it is our honor on this Feel Good Friday. I think we don't say that lightly either. No, no, no, not at all. You know, people come in here whenever they're, they try to fit into their schedule when they're traveling through Indianapolis.

A lot of people come and go through Indianapolis. Not everybody that comes through the Thunderdum ends up on the show. You know, some people show up at a time where we're not filming or they're like, ah, let's just keep it moving or whatever. Then there's some people that try to go out of their way to join us, especially if we put the request which we certainly do.

We got a chance to catch up with Country Music Superstar. Country Music Super Stood. Riley Green this morning and we hung out with him for about an hour before this conversation. This is a real deal. The band.

Former quarterback at Jacksonville State and he walked right in a locker room it felt like. And in his own country-ass way fit in beautifully. It was a beautiful conversation. No better way to start off this Feel Good Friday. Your accent, your mustache,

your look, your vibe, I think everything about it when you walk in. think, that's a fucking country guy. Yeah. How you are and also incredibly jock. Strapped off, I'm strapping young lad. I mean, I mean, so jocked.

And country music seemingly going to be the end game, even though obviously you were a great football player, a great athlete? Yeah, there's no going back to that. I'm 36. It's not. You ever know Tyler Chuck's 306? I'm beat up from golf.

No, he's not. He's 27. Big goal. Sorry about that. What you said? He was commenting about a Louisville quarterback that got drafted in New Orleans Saints. He was a little bit older.

I was number 36. You were number 36? No. But football was your thing, though, right? Athletics was it? And then when you stop that, that's when you get into music or was music always? I would never say that I was really musically talented. Like, I never thought, there was nothing about me as a kid.

We were like, yep, he's going to, you know, I just, I liked it. My granddaddy Buford loved country music and he had a, see, Buford. Shout out, Granddaddy, Buford. Yeah, my granddaddy, too, just, the whole, everything you did there. And he had, like, he had a little epiphone guitar, so when I go to his house, we'd sit around and try to play it. So that was how I got into, like, liking country music and playing guitar. But I played football, baseball, basketball.

I went through school, played a little football in college. And I think I started playing in bars because girls liked it. That was cool. I thought guitar was cool, you know? So I'd played cover shows for probably five or six years. And then I just got tired of playing the same songs over and over again. So I started writing songs. Somebody's like, man, I like this one song he wrote, go record it.

So I went to some guy like Bob's Garage, spent a couple hundred bucks recording the song. I played on everything. They had no producer, no manager, nothing like that. And it, a couple of songs really, to Georgia time, Barry Me and Dixie, a couple songs did really well. That was from that? Yeah. That moment there?

Yeah, and started, I remember I was playing a local Mexican restaurant called Local Mix. Played it every Friday for like five years. Such great margaritas. Yeah, the tacos, chips and salsa, bottom of a barrito is the size of your fucking head. The guac? Oh my God. Let's not talk about the gullas. We've been there in a local month.

Yeah, there's only one. I was still doing construction work at the time, so I was framing houses during the week. This is post-football. Yeah, this is 25 years old, probably 2014, 15, something like that. And a guy called me from Birmingham is a venue called Iron City that held 1,300 people. And I remember going and watching Chris Stapleton play there,

and it was like empty. This was before he really blew up. And I was like, man, there's no way. like nobody will be there, be empty. And he said, man, I keep hearing your name, come down here and play it. 1,300 people showed up. I had no clue anybody knew how it was

and Birmingham was an hour from where I grew up. And so I was like, oh, well, there's something going on here. And I didn't realize, like, I was getting paid for streams. I had money in an account on Tune Corps didn't even know about, you know. He forgot the password for sure. Yeah, and I had a buddy that worked with Sam Hunt called me because he knew I did music.

And he said, man, we got to offer to go open for Travers' Trip. We can't do it. I'm going to put your name in the hat. And I was like, oh, that'd be great. And then he called him back and said, man, you don't have enough followers on Facebook. And I was like, I don't even really have Facebook. What does I got to do with anything, you know? So then I realized social media was a big part of it and all that.

So I got all that stuff. You love that, I think. Just from talking to you for like the last hour. That's great. Isn't that kind of a big social media guy? I actually need to check my tick book right now. Where's my phone at? Exactly.

Actually. I was very accidental on my success to sell that. It was just, I enjoyed playing. I thought it was cool. I liked playing country. music and a label started to come to shows and I signed a record doing in 2018 what's your congratulations on all of it by the way trying to really what I was wanting to get at all that yeah just a simple congratulations

congratulations well you're holy shit this guy was working construction roofing from the bottom you know I'll start with granddaddy Buford yeah granddaddy Buford did love a little music I think that is when it started there um your songwriting process. How do you go about doing it? I know there's plenty of different ways. I've gotten a chance now to learn about a lot of the music world, country music mostly, because of the tie with college game day. So I think college game day and college football, very synonymous with country music. Like I think all of it kind of all comes together every single weekend,

at least in a big celebration, not alone to tailgates, everything. Like it is kind of all one world. But also it feels like all you country musicians like sports. Feels like you're all big ball fans because you grew up in the South and that's kind of what you did. But like learning about your guys and the way you go about operating is a very cool thing. I don't let you know that. Well, I think tradition is what I think about when I think college football. You know, what I loved about, and I'm from Alabama, we don't have pro teams. We were all Alabama or Auburn and, you know, when you and I hear Alabama, I think about

Paul Bear Bryant, you know, like the tradition of certain things in Auburn was, I remember when I started like in Auburn, it was a toss up for me. My family's Alabama fans. It was Freddie Kitchens was in Alabama. And I remember they put him in the game. He was a backup. And they had one Hail Mary pass to try to win the game. And whoever the starter was, they took out and they put Freddie Kitchens in.

Because he could throw it further. And I thought, that's who I want to be. I want to be the guy that can throw it further. And Auburn had Damien Craig. And I thought he was the coolest guy ever. So I ended up being an Auburn fan. But country music, to me, was tradition. You know, like there's something in there that storytelling that doesn't get lost,

no matter how much the music genre changes with getting a little popier. trap beats or whatever you want to call it i just like the storytelling of country music you know there's some trap beats there's a couple trap beats right you know and some some people love that you know yeah oh absolutely i like to get in my car and get trapby every once a while or oh i can see that yeah i can see that with you in there yeah yeah go bobbing on the steering wheel you know doing it all rapping forte i don't know what you're talking about been there yeah actually uh i got this bore one time and then immediately afterwards i was like Kill that boar, want some more.

Bon-a-a-mon. Yeah, I understand that you are a rapper. That is kind of... Do that all the time? Yeah. That's good. Do you want me to... Hey, listen, I'm all day.

I'm all day. Trust me, I can see it. Yeah, you've heard it, I think. I had a triple espresso, but it wasn't enough. Never going to compete. There's another... Somebody get his chair away. He don't need it.

There's another altitude. Well, I'll get tired. The legs will get tired. I'm not as good as shape of you. I will sit down. But your songwriting process, you talk about the storytelling. Where do you find inspiration? What do you go do?

you go disappear because I know there's like some people that like go deep into like I think like woods or farms or things like have cabins and like take a couple of the boys out there have like a weekend some people I think we saw Bieber go to like Europe yeah but obviously vastly different style of music Taylor Swift is disconnect is what that is I feel like it's probably the same for everybody I don't know that I've written a song the same way twice I do know that I get a lot of inspiration from Jackson where I'm from in Alabama you know obviously spend a lot of time in Nashville but I don't have a lot there that inspires me. I don't really have a lot

in common with the big city. My whole family still lives in Jackson in my hometown. There's a store called Green Store right down the road from my farm and my granddaddies both used to go in the morning at 5.30 and play Domino's with the old men. I would get up, I hated getting up in the morning but I'd go there and sit with them for work and I got

a lot of titles from just what old guys say sitting around, you know? I mean it's they do say you smell like an 80-year-old man too, don't they? And that kind of the... When you said it like that, sounds awful. I looked at it like I smell like your grandpa like that's a comforting scent. Like safe. You smell like an 80 year old.

That doesn't sound good. Yeah, that's a Pittsburgh delivery versus. You know, Alabama delivery. I was saying it was a compliment. Granddaddy Bueffer smelled like this. That is what I'm saying. Yeah. I wrote a song about my Granddad Linden's called Hell of a Way to Go. And I remember sitting out at the store in the morning. I was still doing construction work

and I was playing on the weekends. You know, them old guys were sitting out there and they're like, Hey, man, I need to get on the bus and ride with you one weekend, you know. Like, there's a lot of girls out there at the show and stuff like that. You have a good time. I said, well, yeah, it's pretty fun. I said, but I don't, you might have a heart attack out there. You can't go to me, old man.

And you know how you are with old guys. You always give him hard time. We're back and forth, you know. And he said, man, that'd be a hellful way to go. And I thought, there's something there. And I didn't write that song until six years later, but there's something in that. You know, you just, those old sayings and the mindset of those, that generation, I find a lot of inspiration in. And I think that's why people

love you, brother. That's a generation that is obviously revered and throwback in this modern time is obviously appreciated. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, so when it does come to making your music, and you've been with your label since 2018, you said, is it hard, rather, if you fall into, like, a lane?

Do you feel like you have to make a certain style of music for your fans? Is there part of you that wants to make different music, but you feel like you can't because you might lose the fan base you built with the songs that you've already had? Like, what is that? kind of thought when it comes to actually making them writing the music that's a really good question i feel like i'm probably the opposite of a lot of folks because when i signed a record deal i'd already

had some success and i had a brand so to speak i mean i was the all shucks guy from alabama i'm glad to be here i ain't ever been nowhere kind of guy yeah sure and it was true i didn't have to fake it but i feel like what people liked about my music early on before it was ever pushed before it was on the radio or anything like that it was something that was really simple i think how i say things is very I don't overthink lines and I don't complicate it and get songwritory and dance around and try to get cute. I just kind of tell a story the way that, you know, I think I could tell it. And I always thought there's so many people that were better singers than me, better performers, that I'm the only person that could tell a story from my eyes. So I thought that was the only thing I had to set me apart.

And I remember playing cover shows and, you know, I went to Tutsis and played an open mic. In Nashville. Yeah, that's right. And there was, there was 30 people in line to play after me that were all better than me. And I thought, okay, well, I've got to figure something out, you know. And maybe because I'm not all that musically talented, I kind of stay in my lane. But I also think if I did stray too far from what got me here, I'd lose some fans. I would alienate the fans I already got.

So what I do is in small ways try to push the envelope. I've got a song called Worst Way that was a really big hit for me that came out of my last album. And it's a very, like, forward love song. And I don't write a lot of love songs. but I wrote it by myself and I just remember sitting there thinking I said man I need to write something that's a little more for the girls

I write a lot of songs that have a lot of anthemic type themes and about home and values and stuff and that one worked so you know I still wrote it it was still me but in a small way it was a little bit of me branching out sure I think small steps is how to do it

have you seen the photo of you that we have on this graphic yeah I think you should write a song for the women maybe every once in a while holy shit man and what you can see in that photo because pictures don't put it into proportion. This is how good my legs look. Exactly.

That's not what it's going to say. You're in a big thigh Thunderdome right now, bud. So we have that all... No, I appreciate you cutting that off. What? Absolutely not. Sometimes they don't try to make you look good.

It's amazing what A.I.'ll do. Hey, no, it's not A. This is you, brother. And that's why it work in there. When did you decide I'm going to be the most jacked guy? When did you get me to sign it? We stole that from it.

Yeah. And we'll say it's real, though, for sure. I'm like you, when you played ball as long as you did, you enjoy working out to a certain extent. You like being in shape. Then you start to get a little older and you think, okay, well, now I need to, you know. Being on the road, I remember when I first got on a tour bus, I was still kind of broke. And we would go on tour, and I was out with Brad Paisley, and he had great catering. I felt like I need to eat everything I can every meal because...

Who knows? Yeah, this may be in. And then you get on the bus after a show at 11 o'clock and there's three pizzas stacked up or a pile of Chick-fil-A-None. It's just high. You know, so, and then, you know, you're drinking out on the road and all that. So I started realizing, okay, I got to take care of myself a little bit. So I've always worked out for that purpose. But, you know, also, I just feel like there's a lane in country music that ties really well,

like you're talking about with college sports. Certainly, that's a great fit with the demographic country music. So it's hunting. I've always loved hunting. I grew up hunting. And then, you know, I realized that I got a lot of fans from that. You know, I'd be out at the bar and some girl would come and go, Hey, you're the guy that sings that song, or her boyfriend would go,

I saw you on Real Tree Road trips or what hosted a hunting show. So I started thinking, man, I got more. I should have done more research. I did not know you hosted hunting shows that. I should have led with that. Well, no, I don't mind telling you. I'm Riley, by the way. I don't mind telling you.

Good to meet you. No, man. It's a hog, geez. Yeah, I'm like an onion. We're filling back layers here. I got a hole. Where's my sheet on Pat? I got some questions for him, too.

Oh, really? No, I don't know. Interesting. That was unbelievable. Sorry. But not, I realized that hunting was something that could help my music career. And so I started being motivated to go hunt for a different reason than just I enjoy doing it. And working out for me was kind of like that.

You know, there's a lot of opportunities. Obviously, there's a lot of fitness influencers and stuff out there. I'm not trying to do that. But there is a world where being in good shape can help my music career. So I got motivated to try to work out. And we take a really nice trailer on the road, it's got a gym in it. You know. That feels like nowadays of modern technology, you can do it.

that there's been multiple guys that have come through obviously jelly roll has lost like 200 some pounds Zach Brown we talked to about he has that's gotten in great shape too I think Kenny Kenny has like a three trailer operation where he's got the cold tub hot tub yeah Tim McGraths oh oh he's so bro my cord's popping up in rows brother yeah what'd you say to me when he when he with his bat cape completely out there when he rose from the ground to go fight somebody in the crowd yep that was a man where I was like hey Tim McGraw is not fucking around He's in that gym, and he'll be in your ass if you've got a problem with it. Parker's in good thing.

I kind of like that. Yeah, I think he's one of those guys, too, that, like, gets after it, working out. Like, I'll work out, but. You get after. But I don't know like that. I'm not like just drinking in his gym. He just told me he's doing triceps and biceps blowout till max exertion every night before bed. Okay, well.

So, yeah, I don't know if everybody's getting after. He says, I don't get after like those guys. He does. Just want to let you know that. dude yeah you need to be incredible once I mean obviously I'd know the name and coach Rod who we will certainly get into talking about now back at West Virginia was coach at Jacksonville State where you are an alum you did not play for him but obviously he was living in your hometown and loved it down there

and his entire thing he was introduced he was talking about you for a while or whatever and I started seeing clips of you showing up and I'm like what is that who the fuck is that there he's incredibly jocked out there I think it's a good angle brother and obviously if you can look like that you uh you probably should try to you know that's kind of god god bless you there and he's also six five what you can't see that doesn't hurt with his cowboy boots on you know i don't know it's six three six three and a half six four what are probably so yeah yeah and then cowboy booths six five just we were sitting down next to each other i didn't even and then he stood up and i'm like jesus you're a basketball

tall drank water still can't dunk your dog this is a fun show thank you just brag on me while i'm here waiting on the other part never No, well, I mean, again, we'll try to do a giveaway. Yeah. Oh, yeah, there we go. And if you embarrass yourself during that, there will be. Yes. A couple mortars.

Taya's a question for you, Rob. So kind of going off what Connor said, do you like where the industry has kind of gone in the last couple years? Like you said, you know, a little bit more poppy maybe, and we see all these people crossing over from different genres. And how difficult is it to kind of maintain, like, the artistic credibility that you want to have when you also know, like, well if I did this though and I don't want to say sold out but you know what I'm saying

like do go in that lane a little bit more like I could have several massive radio hits it's uh I was so fortunate that I had a pretty decent following before I came to town if I hadn't if I went to Nashville when I was in my early 20s I probably would have made a lot of bad decisions because it is tough when you're in that town to have blinders on not look at what everybody else is doing especially when they're being successful and you're not you know And I saw it a lot when the pop country thing really started off and it was, you know, Sam Hunt and FGL, and I had the FGL records.

You know, those first records, it was, I'd never heard that kind of thing before. But then you saw a lot of that stuff coming out and everybody kind of had that same pop country thing and they call it bro country, I guess. But it's because people go up there and you've got an artist that's talented or whatever and he doesn't have success and he's going,

oh, well, I got to write with these guys that are writing with so-and-so. Well, then you have the same three people coming up with all the songs for every artist in town and they all start to sound the same. I was really fortunate I wrote all my songs by myself early on so I at least had something that was kind of unique in my sound.

And then, you know, I got to town and started having a little success and I realized I think the best thing you can be right now is different. And yeah, there's a lot of crossovers, a lot of pop stuff coming into country, but it's really just making the country music genre bigger, which I have seen.

We went to Australia and had three sold-out shows down there. We did the me and Morgan did the show in London at Hyde Park last year and it was the biggest country show they ever had. We're going back to the UK. All our shows over there sold out within like hours.

So it's getting huge everywhere. I think it has a lot to do with Yellowstone on those shows and popularity. He became a cowboy because of it. Western lifestyles made it popular everywhere of it. But I think that it also leaves room for things that are different

than that to kind of stand out. Zach Topps is a good example. I love that you can have a guy come on the radio and you hear a song go that's a tough thing to get. or you know who it is from the first note you know there's so many guys that struggle with having hits and you go oh i know that song but who sings it could be one of five people you know so for me it doesn't really affect me all that much as long as i keep going back to that place in

alabama that small town and getting my inspiration from there and not just trying to come up with songs you know off of uh ideas that i see on the computer yeah but it's there's a chance that a banger comes here. You never know. You might like it. You never know. It's a good starting point. You never know.

You talk about people becoming cowboys because of Kevin Costner out there in Montana. He was actually one of them. Got COVID, went into a cave for, you know, the proportion, the proper amount of time. Yep. It was the exact- Seven to ten days. 17 days, I think, is what it was. Which we learned.

We all know that that is 100% the way it was supposed to be the whole time. And he wasn't allowed to see his family or his family or his family. anybody. He was locked in a cave, literally in his house, and he watched that show the entire time, and he gambled. He basically went through, like, sports books and learned about all the bets and history and stats and everything. So we started a new

gambling podcast called Hammer, Don! You missed it. Hammer, Don! Got it. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. No, he didn't watch his mouth. He moved his mouth. He didn't say it. He was lip-sick. What are they all saying? Hammer, Don! Don?

It's down at Pittsburgh. Down? Oh, but you'll do it with an accent. What kind of action is that? Pittsburgh. Dine. Okay, Dine. Nailed it.

That's pretty good. Maybe you should launch that artist, the Pittsburgh artist, and that's where you have like a two Garth books. Oh, yeah, Chris Gaines thing. And then he could do the, with the Pittsburgh accent. But nonetheless, he became a cowboy and a gambling show host because of COVID. Nobody talks about that. No.

He went from being a Pittsburgh guy. Culture's the best. To an actual cowboy. It's amazing. Thank you. It is. Thank you. I needed that.

But you talked about signing with a label in 2018. That's huge for the career. But did you feel like you really made it when you got a bar in Nashville? Like after playing in Nashville at those bars? Having a bar in Nashville, I feel like that's when you finally made it as a country. Yeah, I don't even know that I was there yet when that happened. But, I mean, what's so cool about it is it's not on Broadway. It's not over there with all the other artists on bars.

And it was full circle for me because losers and winners is where I spent all my time. And everybody I met in town, every artist, every songwriter, was in that building. I don't know a lot of artists that go to Broadway that go downtown. I mean, it's kind of a mayhem down there, so touristy. So it's cool that it's in a local hangout like that, and there was Whiskey Jam used to be in

the same building where the duck blind is now. So I've got a bar where guys come in there and get their start kind of the same way I did. It's really cool to go in there, and I can't get thrown out of that bar. There's one bar in town that they cannot throw me out of. It feels like that place is a bar that you want to go to. Just as somebody that's been there a few times. The ice cream, first of all, fantastic.

Nobody's going to talk about it. Yeah, I've got to say this. I was with my partner that owns a bar. Steve, dog, legend. He told me he wanted to put an ice cream bar in there, and I'm like, yeah, that's cool. I'm like, nobody's going to eat ice cream at the bar, you know? And then, I don't know where we were,

but you and earned, FaceTimed, and that's all they talked about. They were like, this ice cream, and whatever. And then I was like, y'all had some ice cream days. I said, no, no, no, we had ice cream today while we're at the bar. We left. came back up to the bar just to get some more ice cream and i was like okay this whole time i've been wondering who is going to get ice cream and i was like that's okay yeah yeah i don't know i'm the home the demo no it is a great everybody likes it honestly i've heard that everybody likes it

it is a nice little pick me up because you think yourself holy shit it's cooking cream ice cream here yeah i will i'll take some of that but that is cool to have because i think getting that uh that bar i think there is a lot of conversation about who's allowed to get a bar who's not allowed to get a bar A lot of respect for you amongst your peers. I think that has to be a pretty sweet thing. Yeah, man, it's a cool. It's a very validating thing. And there's been a lot of that stuff in my career.

You know, playing country music is a grind like anything else. I had a lot of guys that played professional baseball about the same time I kind of had my career take off. And I remember having conversations with them and kind of seeing the similarities because there is such a battle to stay relevant. You know, if you're 28 years old and Major League Baseball and there's a guy that's coming out of school

and he's 22 and he's as good as you, you know, it's kind of it for, you know. And there's so much now with TikTok and all these ways that these guys, I mean, overnight, these guys can kind of have somewhat of a career. So knowing that, I think the thing that keeps you motivated, even when things can get a little monotonous, because I tell people all the time, we play the same songs every night, you know, and 120 plus shows a year is when you have those moments where you're like,

okay, something's working. People are buying in, whether it's a bar, getting to play Red Rocks or, you know, having a tour sell out, or whatever it is, boards, it's just those things keep you, keep you going, you know, and it's like having success in a ball club, you know. I think it's an impossible thing to do, that music world. Oh, yeah.

Especially after hanging out down there a little bit. So many people. Well, yeah, there's so many talent. But I mean, there's a lot of people. So many people. There's a lot of great athletes, too, though, you know. No shortage of great ball players. What I figured out from my little stint of play and, I'll remember Kevin Green.

Oh, okay, G. Come on. Rest in peace, brother. So he's Boston, the whole thing. He's from Oxford, Alabama, right down the road from me. And he came and spoke to us a couple of times, and he said something that was interesting. He was talking about ballplayers being in the NFL,

and he said, the difference in a great player is from the neck up. And I, you know, when you're playing, you hear stuff like that from somebody, and you go, when it comes with Kevin Green, it's a little different. Yeah. But there's a lot of that in the music industry. You can kind of be as successful as you want to. Yeah, you've got to have some breaks.

You've got to have a little bit of talent. You've got to get with the right people, surround yourself with a good team. but like with me, when I'm not on the road, I feel like I need to be right, you know? If I'm not right and I feel like I need to be in the gym. Or if I'm not in the gym and as hunting season, I need to be in the woods somewhere because that stuff is working for me.

It's all helped. That's football for sure, don't you think? Yeah. I think that is all, like for me, I think football has helped me immensely in this world. 100%. It's like not only like work ethic and when you're tired, you're still going to do stuff

and working as a team, having other people do stuff and kind of relying on it. I mean, like, I think sports are the greatest thing about it. I think everybody should play teams. There's an accountability that I didn't have 18 years old when I got out of high school. Everybody's making you go to class. They're making you do this.

And then when I got to college and, you know, they kind of say, be here at this time. And if you're not, we're not going to wait on you. And, I mean, I wasn't good enough they were going to stop practice for me. So I learned a lot from my little stint playing ball. But I have to assume that that's rolled over into my music career because I'm motivated to, to have the biggest career I can for the fact that I know I've got an opportunity, you know. Yeah.

You should write song about football back in the game. We might have literally just... Oh, football we play. Oh, football we play? Way, but it's not, you don't just talk, Riley, you're a fucking singer. You got to add a little, play, way back in the day. And then I'll jump in. Okay.

Oh, you're so fucking jacked. I think we're all still amazed. I wish I had a Dr. Pepper. Don't we all, brother? Don't we all? Riley, before we let you get out of here. And thank you for hanging out with us. You are very cool.

You are good vibes. Great time. You are a very good vibes. Your team, too, good people. Thanks for letting us make this work when we were here. You know, this is nice. He's playing the Live Golf Tournament Kickoff Celebration Festival at 5 o'clock at the club at Chatham Hill. Here in Carmel, Indiana, I do believe.

You also have an album coming out, August 29th, a deluxe album, which I think we will certainly be jomming in here. Absolutely jomming. I'm going to send y'all some little sneak preview. Okay, look at us I might be able to make some I'm not going to send you all in there I'm not going to send you all in it No no no no please I won't I promise

That's the last thing I wanted to parody No no no no Serious like really heartfelt song No no no I promise we will not touch your art No no no but we would be honored to hear it for sure And thanks for hanging out thanks for being cool Thanks for representing football by the way And would you like to do a little bit of

something and maybe you have a giveaway here on your way out? Let's do it. Let's give it away, man. Okay, what do you want to do? Oh, there's a, give it away, give it away, give it away, maybe add that today. Maybe do that. Do you want to, you want to throw a football? You think you still got it? Balls are flat, so it might be a little bit different. Isn't that good? Didn't they, didn't that, well, well, yeah.

That's not getting into this, because we can go into the science of it and we don't have to. Forget about it. Exactly, there you go. Nailed it. New York, but. Okay, so do you want to hit one of those three holes? Your legs are tiny. Holy fuck. Yeah, but he can move him.

He said he can move him. Oh, okay. They said their pogo sticks, but he said I used to be able to move those things. I didn't realize. They realized they were so small, you were right. Bad boys is hard, boy. That's all we're talking about. That's all.

Okay, okay, you're incredibly jacked. I don't know how easy it is going to be to throw football or anything like that. As we start lifting, Connor can attest to this on. course as we get after it's hard to do you know okay so we'll give uh we'll give 30 people five hundred dollars who repost this on x and say something nice to somebody and put yeah 30 people 500 but it's not just giving it away you're earning it for him our hero riley green new album deluxe album coming out august 29th you can see him right now at five o'clock Well, I guess not right now.

5 p.m. today at the live golf tournament, super duper kickoff special classic. Let's go. It's called a super duper kickoff place. Yeah. Fucking start your thing with that. Riley, if you make it into any of those three holes over there, we'll give 30 people $500. All they're going to do is repost to say something nice to somebody, and put the easiest way to pay you. Thanks to your friend Riley Green, and go to Riley's duck blind down in Nashville.

Hell yeah. Good. You can go downer. I don't know. That was Pittsburgh. I thought there was a little Southern in there. Yeah, there was some twilight. Wait a minute, though.

I really like one of the fire. I like that all the way back. That was a C. That one might be too flat. Is that too flat? That's too flat. He's both flat. You need to look for the...

Throw a college ball. Throw a college athlete. College ball. That might be too small for you. College ball. That's the Duke, but you can sling that thing. I don't know if he can't. Well, the funny thing about that is it is cold in here.

Hold on a bear It's It's got it It's got it It's right No hold on All right You want to hit the bear

On the bear Right on the forehand Okay If you hit the bear Just in general Everybody gets $10,000 From you You're giving away

10 grand everybody We'll give away All the profits From his next album Riley Green If you're able to throw that football And hit that bear

Or put it in any of those three holes. So you get, if you have to audible last second. If you hit anything over that, you've basically but there is a lot of air out there that you can hit as well. There's a lot of miss out there. We'll get a bear forehead. Bear forehead. If you hit the bear in the forehead, we'll get 50 people

500. Oh shit. Bonus ball, bonus ball, bonnet ball. Grab the college ball. You have not grown a college. And look who's on that, West Virginia, right there. Coach Rod, bless that ball. Did you play baseball too? Did you pitch? How fast? I couldn't throw a baseball, I could have football.

I could throw it all over. Sure. Yeah, we know that. 30 people! All right. Jeez, Louise. Nice. One more.

There's another college ball. There's another college ball. I love how hard you're throwing this stuff. Yeah. I love this. It's exactly like my golf game. All over. Hard.

Riley, if you're able to hit this, people are going to win some green. Okay. 50 people, $500. All you have to do is take that ball. and hit the bear that is seven foot tall all the touch glad country worked out rather

I might as well I'm not going to be 50 the whole time you might not you just throw it a little bit harder they got more ball I'll feed you Alabama ball that's what we needed enough of this Sally shit throw it as hard as you

yeah yeah what happens 30 people you're getting unlucky here dude 30 people 500 yeah yeah you did all right you have to get the bear this hey this is final ball okay enough with the shit somebody got snap oh football we play way back in the day because you're so fucking jacked why don't you make 30 people okay Hit. $30 people, $500. Yes. Another incompletion.

All right. That's why it does music. Okay. You got a hell of an arm, son. You got a hell of an arm. This guy's got a real easy. He does. You got a lot of hit the tar.

You impressed us today. I know you're not going to love that that's how that went. That's fine. It's fine. We've had real quarterbacks come in to your walk all the way up. to the net stand right next to and throw it in. So just throwing that money. But what you need to know is a lot of people miss

and also you will be remembered. Not only from our spirit in mind for what you do. It looks like a 10 cup thing. You know, I got a 13 on the last hole. Yep. We will watch, we will see Riley Green all over this office forever. I don't know if we'll ever clean that wall. You hit one up near the CFB.

You hit one right above, obviously the bear's head. We see you there. We got Riley Green all over this place. That's not supposed to be. That's right. I appreciate you, man. George, dude. Good luck at the live, super duper, golf kickoff classic.

Don't play it during Rom's back. He'll beat your ass. Rom will fight you. Yeah. Yeah, and he's got a good base. I get a redemption dunk. Okay. Hell yeah.

Fucking dunk a basketball. You can't, but you got it. See, now we've got a white man can't jump thing going on here. Well, you're 36 years old. You're in cowboy boots. No, you can't change. What are you going to change? What do we have?

What do you think we got? Good. And you're going to do it in jeans? That's a good-looking boots. I mean, a lot of people would say if you're a real cowboy, you're dunking boots. Are those ostrich? No, we don't need a Tom Seguera situation in that boots. That's a good point.

I need a Tom Segarra situation. It's not with Riley. You don't know with Riley. No, Riley, but if I were to see that in person, my life would be fulfilled. I don't need him breaking that right arm. I need you throwing footballs that hard for the rest of your life. Forever. Fire that pigskin, boy.

And Riley said, I will. You were told that. Maybe that's a song. Oh, football and playing. Way back in that. See? See, it's about to happen. I'm going to throw this thing so fucking hard.

I don't care what they say. Okay, hold on. You're just going to, hold on. Okay, Larry. You're from Jacksonville, Alabama, 36 years old. Riley Green. If you can dunk right now, we'll give 30 people. Oh, no.

Got it. No way. Got it. No way. No way. His hand got to touch the rim! His hand didn't touch the ring! He grew it done!

He said one more. One more. I need another one. He says, excuse me, let me go ahead and get up there and get this thing. Let me wreck a rim. Oh! Yeah! 30 people!

$500 because Riley Green is still an athlete. Now, we don't know how this is going to carry... Yeah, that's a lot of explosion. I don't know how often you're doing that. You're incredibly jacked and you're incredibly talented. We appreciate you. That's Riley Green laser, yeah. Riley's a legend.

Obviously, this is a sports show. He was a college football player. That's right. Got to keep in touch. Obviously, he's performing at a golf tournament. That's a lot of sports stuff, and he was awesome. You need to know off air. He was just as awesome as he was on air.

And we're pulling for him hard as we continue to go. Now, what happened while we were talking to him and while that ran? Well, we have now learned of what the Michigan sanctions are going to be from the NCAA final from the Connor... Stallion. Situation. Joining us now, ladies of gentlemen, his man, has been on the case. literally since the beginning, almost too much on the case that people told him, hey, it seems to be a little bit of a work.

Ladies and gentlemen, the authority on college football and college basketball from College Game Day, Pete Tamo. Yeah, Pete. Hi doing, Pete. I know you were catching the tail on to that. Did you think Riley Green was going to be able to dunk that second one or no? I thought he had no chance, Pat. I thought he had no chance.

As did we. To be clear, very much, because he's very jocked. You'd think he'd be a little bit too stiff. He said he worked under the hoop. That was kind of his thing. New album, August 29. Now, Thamma, let's get to this. Whenever we heard the NCAA was going to announce their punishment for the Michigan infractions,

we wondered which one it was. Then he came and said, well, this is the Conner Stallion stuff. This is the last of the Conner Stallion's investigation. And basically, it's a money game and a money play. And Sharon Moore's suspended one more game. And it's the opener for 2026. Did I miss anything in there? And can you break it down for us a little bit?

Sure, Pat. So it's going to end up being an unprecedented monetary cost for, for Michigan in this. I did some back of the napkin map. It's going to be, I would say, easily over $30 million, the two-year postseason fine of what they would get for the post. Michigan would normally get from the postseason. That number's a little bit nebulous just because of some of the vagaries, the CFP money and such. But that number's expected to be well over $20 million. There's an additional $7 million, $10 of the football budget fine, and then a couple other fines. I won't bore you with the detail. So it's going to be a

significant amount of money, but that's the main stick in this. Shroom Moore had self-imposed a two-game suspension this year, which will still be served game three in game four. There's an additional game for him in 2026. Michigan, oddly, opens the season in Germany against Western Michigan. More still has the option of whether or not to appeal that singular game suspension for 2026. So we'll see if he ends up doing that or not in the upcoming weeks. And then Conner Stallions himself, Tye's personal hero, he has an eight-year show cause coming to him, which is essentially a employment ban. So Conner Stallions, it's highly unlikely we will see him on the sideline or watching someone else's sideline. Okay.

Oh! One final one, one in there, Pete, take advantage, take the lap. And then Jim Harbaugh, somewhat amusingly, has a 10-year show cause, which is anordinate length. for one of these NCAA penalties, he obviously is the coach of the Chargers and doesn't really care. You would probably be amused that is actually a 14-year show cause because this 10-year show cause starts in 2028. He has a four-year show cause from one of the prior Michigan NCAA investigations. So I think that would keep Jim until 2038 off of the collegiate sidelines. But that probably matters as much as me being banned from the Cathedral High School parking lot at this point.

Well, I hope you're not banned from any high school. school's parking lots just going forward. That's right. I went to high school, Pat. Okay, well, shout out to Cathedral, and shout out to you being a great grad of Cathedral and really breaking this all down for us. So basically it's money. Why would they suspend

Sharon Moore in 2026 and not add another game to this particular season? And is there any punishment on the team? I saw the 10% of the revenue thing, which off of 77 billion or whatever, 77 million would go down to 7 million, which you addressed there. Does that carry over

in the next year or are they completely clean, basically other than money? Like, is there a loss of scholarship? Is there anything that they can't do, prohibited from? Football wise? Some recruiting restrictions, but that stuff doesn't matter as much anymore in the NIL era.

Just I think it's official visit. So as far as the Michigan team, I think there's two big picture takeaways here, Pat. One is that there was no postseason ban in this despite, you know, being significant findings. And I think we We've officially essentially ended the era of the postseason ban that the NCAA would give out.

And within the 74-page ruling that the NCAA had, they kind of explained why it happened. And what they're doing is they're essentially taking the money from postseason as opposed to the post-season ban. This is a paradigm shift, but also dovetailing into that, Pat. This is really the last great NCAA case. The College Sports Commission is now going to investigate things that, you know, if there's vagaries and NIL deals and such. But this is really the last explosive, significant NCAA infractions case. NCAA will still oversee some gambling stuff. They're going to have their hands in a few eligibility things. So I'm not going to say, we're never going to talk

about the NSA making a decision again. But it's in terms of NCAA enforcement investigating something significant and holistic like this, there's a very good chance. This is the last big NCAA case. And we've seen these decades to decades. Okay, let's dance on that grade, for sure. Thank God they're done. Jesus. Thank God. Yeah. I mean, they had a little bit of a terror run there for a while. Long time. Picking and choosing burgers and this and you want to go back home. We let these other people do it, but you can't do it. Just kind of showcasing a power, wielding us heavy sword, if you will, because they were the ones in charge of everything. Now, I assume there's a lot of work doing all the investigating. There's a lot of lawyers, I get it. It's not easy to do anything.

but I believe you described, or in an interview with you, Charlie Baker described it as quagmire. You know, and you actually used the word, I believe, quagmire. You've previously said that this was a bit of a quagmire before you got here. Would you like to elaborate on that? And I was like, well, that's a great word. And then he said it was a quagmire. And you guys did all the NCAA finding its new lane, whatever it is, is good for sports. Hell of a run in the investigating.

Great job. Kind of. Now, on that note, they couldn't help themselves. They had to do one last NCAA thing. They say, you know what? We're going to suspend them next season, so I have to talk about it again next year. Can you answer that?

Why is... I believe that it's a timing issue because of the timing of when this is coming down. They are moving it to next season. I don't think that. The self-imposed game three and four was what Michigan and Sharon proposed to them. And then this is an additional penalty,

and I believe the timing of it being pushed next year is just simply because where we are right now. But I don't have a clear linear answer on that, and I don't think one is in the materials, at least from what I've seen. But it is, you know, it is a little strange. I mean, that certainly, these things are never easy. Sharon Morris saying Guten Tagg. He had German classes lined up.

Now he can't go to the game against Western Michigan next year. That's a real. I saw Portnoy, obviously, a very distinguished alumni of Michigan. He had a cigar lit, pretty good. sitting down in a very luxurious place that appeared. And he was saying, 20 million bucks, that's astray money for us. What are we even talking about here?

That's real. Michigan has so many, very, very, very wealthy. What is there, Dow or whatever? The endowment? I just had, I think, $17.5 billion or something like that. You got Bentley's and Rolls Royces in front yards up there in the university. So it's like, it being a money situation mostly,

for that school, they're probably saying, all right, let's move. And I think we're all doing that with this, right? We're all just moving on now. Seems like it. And the 10-year show-cause, 14-year, I guess, in total show-cause for Jim Harbaugh. I think we read Nicole Auerbach tweet that's basically like, show-cause means if you were to get hired back in, they would have to pitch basically for you to be able to get your job at that place to, like, the NCAA.

They would have to make a ruling on it at the time. And then also, if he was come back, I think she said he would be suspended for like a year or something like that, which seems like a lot when he's already been suspended, what, like four or five games? So that would be a year and five games, 10 years show cause. Feels like that's heavy on hardball. Is that because he's just been non-compliant in this entire thing? Or what is that, you think? Yeah, I think it's a confluence of things, Pat.

Remember, he started that 2023 championship season, self-imposed three-game suspension for their recruiting violations. He served the three-game Big Ten sportsmanship suspension at the end of the 2023 regular season before they went and won the title, tied to the Stallion's case. And he was not generally cooperative. generally cooperative in this. So I think this is, uh, this is the two parties agreeing that they'll never meet again. Hey, good to see you. Go see your phone? No. No, who are you? You guys, the FBI?

Yeah. I can see you. Oh, yeah, NCAA? We gave up everything. We talked to you. Yeah. Put it there. Five five. I'll see you. That's unbelievable. I'm happy it's all over. Legit. And I'm happy they didn't have to vacate a national championship. Yeah. I'm happy, you know, just strictly, and I know Ohio State fans are probably thinking the complete opposite. I know there's probably some people that are wishing they did have to vacate some things, but it's like there's no way to players knew that all this was happening

or whatever was happening. And it's like they still had to go execute. And congrats to Michigan, I guess, moving on, and all college football. And on that note, we got a couple more college ball questions for you, Pete, if that's cool. Yeah, sir, go. Big money coming to a school that I don't think a lot of us expected. Pete, Kansas, David Booth, basically a legend, I'm sure, before, and now I believe his name is on the stadium.

He donates $300 million to Kansas, assuming this is going to all of their sports. Should we expect, you know, Swagoo Jr. to be Kansas Jayhawk in 2027 for his freshman year, the number one basketball player in 2027? Do you think all that money is going to make Kansas unbelievable at sports? Should I bet on Kansas to win, you know, a college football playoff national championship? championship in 2030. What is this $300 million going to be used for? Great question, Connor. And I don't think I've ever seen a school shift like Kansas has had and go so hardcore in investing in football as it has in the past, I would say,

four or five years under athletic director, Travis Goff. A majority of that money is going to go towards the stadium that you see in the picture here on there, David Booth Memorial Stadium, not surprisingly. Kansas didn't play home football games. in Lawrence last year, if you remember, they played some Arrowhead, they played at the NLS Stadium in Kansas City because they were amid the multi-hundreds of millions' dollars refurbishment

of Booth Stadium. So this is part of this is going to go towards phase two of this project that is named obviously after David Booth. But you can't give Kansas administrators enough to getting there a few years ago, realizing if we don't have vibrant big-time football,

our whole athletic department could get left behind in this new era which is so football forward. Obviously, Kansas is that unbelievable basketball, you know, since James Naismith was there, right? Bill Self has had a run of dominance there. That's, you know, generally the consistency has been unprecedented in, uh, in modern times. But Kansas sat back and said, look, if we're not good in football, the basketball stuff is going to get really hard. And so they went and hired Lance Leipold. He's done a great job. They were dismal for an extended period of time after Mark Mangino and before Lance Leipold. You remember

the Charlie Weiss era. I mean, they were just, they were, they were the laughing stock of college football and this is another sign that they are contenders again pat you remember the energy that was there when we were there for game day a couple years ago uh and you can you can feel the momentum growing jalen daniels obviously has his last season of eligibility this year they should be good again um i don't know if they're going to be at the top of the big 12 they should be another very good competitive programming which is giant progress for kansas football yeah and if they got that type of money investment now we assume that's going to continue and i think that's what they were telling us when we were out there for college game day it's like hey we this school is backing us right now actually our our alumni

back in us and we thought they were kind of bullshit. I think I thought they were kind of bullshit, you know, and then all of a sudden they start building, building quickly, rapidly, and they're winning games, it's like, wait a second, you can, if you have a supportive alumni, you can turn some things around, especially in this modern era. And shut out, I think it was the bell tower,

the clock tower, Campanil. And Carlyne. Yeah, the, I remember we did, it was a super pison name of the Bell Tower. That campus was awesome. They're giving away beers, I think, at one of those places. Wagon wheel, maybe? Yeah. They were very, that place was alive.

TCU, right? That's when TCU went to the national championship too. Yeah, and that's when they walked by us. That was the first time that TCU team walked by and I said my first reaction was, holy hell, these dudes are gigantic. They were so, so

it's like being on the field, obviously you see that, but that Kansas team had that run. Now they got money behind them? Why not keep it rolling? Speaking of money behind them, last question here for you, Pete, actually two more, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Pete, speaking of the money. We've seen basically what Texas Tech is doing with their entire athletic department, and now they're kind of like the hot pick-to-click, like, hey, this team could potentially

win the Big 12 this year. Do we expect Texas Tech to be one of these teams over the next however many years to be a major player in the Big 12? And do they have a realistic shot of winning the Big 12 this year, you think? I'll start with the second question, Ty. I think they have a realistic shot of winning the Big 12. I don't think they're the first. favorite. But look, if I told you this time last year, Arizona State was going to be the Big 12, you would have thrown me off the air and, you know, thrown some smelling salts under my nose to make sure I was okay. The Big 12 is a wide open league. They went out and spent a gargantuan amount of money in the NSA Transfer Portal and brought in offensive line, defensive

line, skill positions, and now in the recruiting space, they're significantly investing. And look, college sports have changed. It used to be stadium size. It used to be weight room. It used to be, you know, those types of budgetary numbers. Now it's what, you can pay players. And Texas Tech, clearly through Cody Campbell, their billionaire donor, has a competitive advantage in that space. I think they're very good this year.

I'm not ready to call them Big 12 champion, but they've announced themselves as relevant and contenders in that league as long as those finances follow. We know who's running the Big 12. And we have massive respect for everybody else, Diner. We know who's running the Big 12. You know who it is authority. You know what it is.

Those cyclones, man. No. You want to hear a good Westwood? Virginia nugget, Pat? Oh, so you did know who I was talking about. There we go. Yes, I got a great West Virginia nugget yesterday. A little hard-edged nugget, okay, let's get that. Search- Yes. So, Rich Rod, your former coach and friend is a maister of tempo, correct?

Oh, yeah. Like, that is one of his things. He's one of the godfather's of tempo, really, and everything. So I was told, reliably, Pat, that they will now bring eight ballboys on the road with them this year just to get the ball in quicker because four wasn't enough for Rich. Well, I think if you have the right four, four is enough. I think what Rich saw was, yeah, we've got to turn over a lot of things around here, okay? And if you saw what happened at practice the other day, that would be that department. So if you saw, yeah, that right there, you're talking about ball boy.

That's equipment manager in the stripes there. He didn't spot the ball accurately. I think he's probably on the hot seat, if I had to guess. That guy's got the eyes on the, because Rich Rod said, hey, we need competition everywhere. Ball boys, you're talking every single part. You talk trainers. We're talking nutritionists. Yeah, chefs.

We're talking everything. Everything in the building. We need some competition because, boy, how it was running here before I got here? A little bit different, a little softer. Now we're going to try to be the hardest program in all of the United States of America football. And I'll tell you what, if you're tough, West Virginia's place for you. We're going to find you. But I'll tell you what, Arizona State.

I mean, you start going through the Big 12. All of a sudden, it's like, wait a minute. That is actually a real conference, even though nobody talks about it because the SEC, in the Big Ten run, everything. And for good reason. Look at all the national championships. That's where they're coming from. But everybody with money has a real opportunity.

And I know some people hate it. But if you're a school that has it, like Texas Tech, you got to love it. Kansas, you got to love it. Even at West Virginia, we're enjoying kind of a little rebirth there. Ton is the last question for you, Pete. Yeah, I do, Pete. I asked you about quarterback competition yesterday. One that everyone said I left out was the Oregon one.

I thought that Dante Moore was most likely going to be the starter there. Is that the case that you're hearing as well? I think that's the expectation right now, Tone, as you look at, as you look at Oregon, he's obviously been in the program. They've given a lot of money to be the backup last year, but it wouldn't surprise me if we do see some real snaps from Austin Novosad this year. You know, really talented young guy coming in. But yeah, I would think that I would think that Dante Moore is ahead there right now.

And but, you know, I don't know if it's just a hammer lock on the job. hammer lock job yeah lock you tamas slam up yeah i got you i understand completely uh pete we appreciate you we'll see you on the road here soon way to really be at the beginning of this story yep and now at the end of it way to really journalistic the shit out of a drink couple bookends yeah you are the pete dama bookend connor stallion story has ended yeah what new story will begin how about the greatest college football season of all time we're very close pete you're the man have a good one brother like connor i'm gonna throw my phone in the pond now we could call it a day Love that.

Ladies is Evan, Pete Thamble. Yay. Just sit on a plane and go somewhere, too. Yeah. Should definitely go enjoy himself. A little bit. Dude, the calluses that he has had to build through this story. I mean, you almost had to put him in.

Yeah, ride gear. Yeah, we wanted to. Remember when I was, all right, we can talk about it now. Yeah. So whenever the whole, we want it to Michigan, after Pete Thammel has already broke this story, situation was happening. You know, and Desmond talked to his shit,

Desmond is Michigan. guy. A lot of people got, like, Des just, he's representing Michigan, like, I don't know. I think the internet reacted in a way. And I think Des, obviously, understood what Pete was going through. I mean, it was just, I don't think there was any real heat behind the seat. A lot of people were talking

about it. And I would like to let everybody know, Pete and Des are two people that I very much enjoy. Like, I very much enjoy these people. And I'm very appreciative of them. So trying to figure out how they're going to handle, because they thought Michigan people were going to potentially be a little towards speech. Yeah, because the show that was being said on the internet towards Pete was like very, very, very

serious. Like, you know, it's college ball. And these are cults and you're attacking their cult. And yeah, we think you're lying and you're being paid by Ryan Day. I mean, he was called everything, let alone he needs to die and everything like that. So we, I don't think, understood the severity of what was happening. We should

have understood what the severity was happening. And we came up with an idea. He needs to be in war media regard. War correspondent. We're talking helmet thing, media right across his chest. And we need to drop him right in the middle of this thing. And everybody was like, we were thinking about ideas or whatever.

Like, we got the idea. This is what. Yeah, I just told you. This is the idea. It would be awesome. There's no. There's no. This is. And then they were like, you should go look at what's being said to be right now. I was like, oh, we should not keep it.

We should be away from here. There should be a little safety, I guess. Yeah, smart play, smart play. Although if he was. But if he would have had that helmet crooked. Oh, yeah. With the media thing. Yeah.

Conner, Stalian. A baton. Great. It would have been incredible. You would have been the greatest moment. Yeah. But I think with those college fans, you do have to worry that, you know, a little early in the morning, maybe very late in the night.

Yeah, I was going to say, a couple cocktails. A couple bottles get thrown. Especially with what we saw, Bruce through the Pete. True. And that was after the national championship. But no one was also talking about Pete Thammell, you know, someone swinging on him and him just like, and then, you know, karate chopping some guy in the throat and incapacitating him. Yeah, he looked a little James Bondi with those glasses.

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It's magical. We're lucky to talk about it every single day. We're actually going to be talking to, like, football royalty a year in a matter of moments. The Hunt family, if you don't fully understand what they have contributed to football. More specifically, Lamar Hunt, who is Clark Hunt, who will be joining us in about eight and a half minutes or so. His father, he is football. Oh, yeah. This guy was a creative.

This guy was a forward thinker. And this guy loved football. His family was in oil. His brothers were going to go, basically go find more oil for the business. And he said, I'm not doing that. And he wanted to try to start a football team. Then instead of just a football team that he pitched the NFL, the NFL didn't want to do expansion. He said, you know what?

You don't want me to start a team. Okay, I'll start an entire league. Starts the AFL this guy, which obviously then leads to the collision course of the two coming together and into the super NFL that we have. And Super Bowl, oh yeah, that was coined by Lamar Hunt. Painting the end zones, jerseys, logo. it. Basically, everything that is marketing and the spectacle of football, the Hunt family,

was behind. This guy also was a no-nonsense trailblazer. I mean, he was, in a letter that we saw at the NFL Hall of Fame that he wrote, in the second bullet point, there was somebody that he wanted executed. This guy is not allowed to be around anymore. So he was stern, I think he was fair, and he was a supervisionist for football, and his family obviously continuing to carry the torch. Right now, there's a documentary out first two episodes of a seven episode.

episode docu series called The Kingdom on ESPN Plus and Disney Plus, and obviously it's showcasing the current dynasty that the boys are on. I think it's going to be a really good show. The toxic table is here at Boss Connor, at Ty Schmidt. You spent a lot of your night last night, Con, man, with the kingdom. Yeah, yeah, it was interesting. Definitely. As a Patriots fan, it was one of those things where you're watching something and wishing

you were the fan of the team that you were watching just because of how much cool information there was in there, the stuff that they still have. You mentioned the AFL, they showed in Kansas City. the original piece of paper that Lamar Hunt created the AFL on as he was in a detail-oriented. He wrote a lot. Back in the day, you'd do a lot of writing. A lot of writing back in the day.

And he also, too, it wasn't just football, it was just sports in general. He, I believe he started the World International Tennis Circuit. He's in the International Tennis Hall of Fame, Lamar Hunt. And I believe he was one of the first investors in the MLS. He tried to start a National American Soccer League to NASL, and that didn't work out. So then that was in like the 60s, and then later on, he started the MLO. It actually said that he was very instrumental in bringing the World Cup to the U.S. in 94, and now his son was very instrumental in bringing it back when we're going to have it this next time.

Hey, it's cool to learn about these stories, you know, because I would never thought that. Obviously, I understand that the Kansas Chief's fan base is awesome, and the faithful is incredible. But, like, learning why. Like, hey, this is one of the original, brother. Like, this is way back football. You know, I'm from Pittsburgh, so we're just like, hey, this is blue-collar football town. Green Bay, you think the same exact thing. Kansas City, you think this town loves football.

Then you learn a history of it's like, this is one of the founding towns of football. And also, Lamar Hunt, one of the founding fathers of the league. Like, no questions asked in his entire thing. I think that's a nice piece of information, because obviously the AFC championship trophy is named after him. And we hear that every single year, especially with the chiefs winning, everybody's like, well, isn't that just convenient? It's like, there's a, there's a, that Super Bowl probably would have been, you know, if he didn't name it the Super Bowl in the Lombardi, it's like, it's wild to learn about it. And there's chiefs haters right now. Of course. And boys address that in the dock. Chris Jones goes, man, we don't turn into Patriots. They used to love us. Now everybody hates us or whatever. And it's like, that's what happens when you're successful. And they've been doing a long time there in Kansas City. And to your point about them being a football city when Lamar Hunt started the AFL, he started in Dallas. He was the Dallas Texans. And then. people in Kansas City after the NFL started the Dallas Cowboys, they were like, hey, we probably have to move. And the Kansas City, like mayor, people who worked in the city, like the city

council, they basically sold Lamar Hunt like, hey, Kansas City will be perfect for a football team. To your point, it really is a football time. It's certainly showcasing the chiefs, okay, but it's a lot of football history in there because this Lamar Hunt guy, I think, he's going to be remembered. Now, after this, and I think that's why we want to talk about it so much is like this dude deserves his flowers definitely i mean this is a dog and you're talking about him flying and coach and we're talking about actually using band-aids to keep his glasses together he was a photographer for the team like you're just talking about like uh one of the most interesting people of all time who happen to love football which we're

incredibly lucky for one half of the hammer god cowboy's ap tone is here football is really close brother and this documentary has given us a little bit of a taste a lot of big games being revisited in that thing yeah we are very very close and things like this kind of just like feed your itch in the meantime, while the preseason pre-season are nice, pre-season games are good, you could gamble on them, you can watch, there's some starters playing here this weekend, but in the meantime, like on these lowly

Thursday nights when it was just high school football or this. Pretty good high school game, down in Georgia. Great high school came down in Georgia. Great, I know a couple Buford dogs down there. You got some beef down there. That was good football game. But, like, if you're not into that, this was definitely scratched the NFL age last night.

Yeah, certainly did. Joining us now, ladies of gentlemen, who was a man that was on a field yesterday with a whistle around his neck, teaching the next generation of footballers how to properly tackle. He's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner.

Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawke. Hawker, can we please talk about what you were doing last night? I love this. I love everything about this photo. I like that there's a house in the background because it looks like it's just a field in a neighborhood. I like that there's a bunch of little boys

wearing helmets and pads. And I like that the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, He's right in the middle of it, trying to corral it all. What are we doing here? What are the drills? Is this first day? How many days into this whole thing are we?

We haven't had a game or anything yet. We're a couple weeks into this first time tackle football for a lot of the guys on the squad. But yeah, we do a little Oklahoma-type drill where we're, you know, block and tackle and all that stuff. You've got teaching the basics. If we can block and tackle, we'll be all right. I love the fact that you're giving back to the game to the next generation. That's Ohio right there. That's very Ohio.

Okay, let's go to Pittsburgh guy, Aaron Donald, in his living room, or in his game room with his boy, helmet on, pads on, saying, hey, kid goes right for the temple. And Aaron laughs. Mom goes, hey, hey, can't be. And Aaron just laughing down there. It's like passing the game on to the next generation is such an important piece, I think, of our sport. I think it's a very valuable piece of our sport. And in doing so, I think the game is only going to continue to grow.

Joining us now, ladies of gentlemen, is a man whose family has been a part of the NFL since its inception. A man whose family is obviously in the middle of. of a dynastic run, and also in the middle of a documentary series about them and their family that I assume is an anxiety riddled type of situation beforehand, but also getting a chance to showcase it. Ladies and gentlemen, owner of the Kansas City Chiefs, chairman and CEO of the Chiefs,

ladies of gentlemen, Clark Hunt. Yeah. How you doing, boss? I'm doing great. I'm so glad to be on with you. Hey, thank you for joining us legitimately. We've gotten a chance, obviously, to watch your operation from afar.

and obviously have been big fans of this dynastic run that you guys have all put together. But watching this documentary, learning about your family's contributions to the sport has been very cool. Are you excited for the world? This may be a generation that hasn't really fully learned about what your family has done for the sport and your dad has done for the sport. Are you excited for everybody to kind of learn that story through this documentary? Absolutely. I think one of the best things about the documentary is not only does it chronicle the success that we've had over the last six or seven years,

But it also goes back all the way to the founding of the franchise back in 1960. When my dad pulled together the American Football League, got the group of owners, which he nicknamed the Foolish Club together to take on the NFL and shows the early history of the chief's organization as the team moved to Kansas City. And then, of course, transitions into the Andy Reid era. Yeah, the Andy Reid era has certainly been a great one. Them showcasing Brett Veach and his big brain, the story of them talking about Patrick Mahomes and how they found him.

Go ahead. Brett Veach was watching the left tackle from Texas Tech and then was basically after a couple plays said, who the hell is this quarterback? And then watched every single play from Patrick Mahomes' Texas Tech career. It's unbelievable. And then there's a story allegedly that Andy Reid walks by his office and said, what are you doing? And Brett Veach said, I'm watching the next quarterback of the Kansas City Chiefs. Allegedly from this one wormhole that Brett Veach went in, he knew that this is going to be the guy.

You guys trade a future first to move up to the. 10 to draft Patrick Mahomes, and then obviously it all goes how it goes. Whenever you're making all these decisions and you're putting trust in Brett Veach and Andy Reed to kind of guide the football side of the Chiefs, are you expecting greatness immediately out of everybody and through those hard times? Did you wonder if we're ever going to get back on top? Was there ever any worry? Yeah, absolutely.

We'd been through a tough couple of years back in 2011, 2012. Actually, I only won two games in 2012. That was a very tough season. both on the field and off. And we were so blessed to be able to bring Andy Reed to Kansas City. And I knew he was the type of coach that we needed. We needed an experienced coach, somebody who'd been there and done it, somebody with tremendous attention to detail,

and an ability to really connect with his players. And all Andy does is come in and we win nine straight games, right? Basically the same team than only won two the year before. And that just shows you the immediate impact. that he had on our culture. And then you mentioned Brett Veach, who came with Andy from Philadelphia, did a fantastic job in our scouting department, obviously, the fun story about him scouting and finding Patrick Mahomes.

And I remember Andy telling me about, you know, Brett would put a tape on his desk every week and say, you've got to look at this tape. And it was a tape of Patrick, you know, doing amazing things at Texas Tech. And eventually, Andy was like, I got it. I got it. You're right. This guy's special.

to figure out how to get him. Yeah, I guess Andy Reid also said in there when Brett Veets, when they were together in Philadelphia, whenever he said something about a player, he was never wrong. And it's like that eye for talent is something that only a few people have. You seemingly got multiple people in that building, let alone your coordinators are all Hall of Famers as well. Run a good operation over there, boss. You should be incredibly proud of that. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, speaking of Andy Reid, in far as this documentary goes, how did you talk him into, how do you present this to him to where he would be okay with all the access that you guys have given all these cameras and microphones, obviously, inundated with everything you do.

Yeah, well, last year before this season, we were approached by several groups that wanted to do a documentary about our pursuit of the Third Strait Lombardi Trophy. And at first, you know, we worried about the distraction that would come with that. But we got comfortable as we went through the process, particularly with words and pictures, who's the team that pulled this all together and made it happen. And we knew the great work that they had done with the Chicago Bulls, which our family is also involved with, in putting together the last dance. And so we really thought they were the right group to do it. Andy at first was a little reluctant, but we got him comfortable with the fact that it wouldn't be too intrusive.

It wouldn't distract too much from the mission, which was to get back to the Super Bowl and hopefully win it. And at the end of the day, Andy ends up being one of the stars of the show, which he typically is, right? That episode last night, which really focused on him, the Don't Judge episode, I think, is really special, and it shows what an incredible person and coach Andy is. Yeah, we even visit his punt pass and kick days, which we've all seen the clips. We've all seen the clips. Andy Reid's always going to be a star. You've got a lot of stars on that team at this point. And I appreciated one of the clips was Patrick Mahomes telling the cameras like, hey, turn them off or whatever.

Cameras stay on. We're just going to go, hey, we're still going to get your audio, though, bro. And then we'll ask you later if it's okay if we put it out. It's like I think they did a very good job kind of piecing it all together. Ty is a question for you, Mr. Hunt. Yeah, Mr. Hunt, do you feel pressure to be like a visionary and very forward thinking due to the legacy that your dad has within the NFL and for all he accomplished for the league? Obviously, the league is much different now than when, you know, he was kind of, you know, building it from the ground up. But do you feel that pressure on a day-to-day basis?

You know, my dad was an incredible individual, and you guys have talked a little bit about all that he accomplished in professional sports, which extended beyond American football to soccer and basketball and tennis. I mean, he truly was a visionary and pro sports in this country wouldn't be where it is today without him. You know, when I took over the reins from my dad almost 20 years ago, you know, I thought a lot about, you know, how I needed to lead the chiefs. at the end of the day, I decided that I needed to rely on my own strengths and be my own person because there's no duplicating Lamar Hunt. But something that my siblings and I always talk about is we've got to make sure we preserve his legacy because it's so special. So really, every decision that we make, we make that decision with a framework of, you know,

what would Lamar Hunt have done? We think about that and how this continues to shape his amazing legacy in pro sports. in the United States. What a brain on that guy, and obviously you as well, but this is a showcase of your dad there early in this documentary. When we were at the Hall of Fame, I'm telling you, we were, I mean, a little tuned up. I think we had a couple drinks.

Yeah, we had a couple drinks, and they were giving us a tour of the place, and we went down in the vault, and we were talking to Ted. Oh, Bruce, can you help me? What's his name, Bruce? John at the Hall of Fame. John at the Hall of Fame.

Okay, Jake led us to John. John, though, like historian, like you guys have for the chiefs. Bob Moore, I think I saw the guy that was showcasing you guys. We go into the Hall of Fame vote, pulls out the letter, the actual letter that your dad sent, I believe. And that's what they say, at least. If you have it in yours, I mean, there's conflicting reports. But the way the Hall of Fame said, it was the actual letter. And we were reading it.

And it's like you could just kind of feel the type of person your dad was as a visionary. He said, we need something like the Grey Cup or like the Stanley Cup. I've jokingly called it the Super Bowl but we can obviously revisit that like that was like a throwaway at like number five at the bottom of the page and then he started showcasing his other things back whenever I think it was 190 something

1906 19 guys died playing football so then they had to go five by five like we did a full history of the game there with John and your dad was ever present through the entirety of it and then his documentary kind of shows up here two weeks later we just want to let you know we didn't know for a long time and we're football people,

it's been an honor to learn about your dad being a beast, man. He was an absolute beast. I think he had to be. And whenever you guys are working with him while doing this, and you have to, let's say nowadays, and you say, what would Lamar Hunt do? You think this documentary he would have loved?

Is there anything that you have to do in a modern age that you think, like, maybe he wouldn't have liked doing this, or he would have loved this particular thing that we're kind of doing right now? Do you ever have those types of moments with your dad? Yeah. about the documentary, I think he would love it because at the end of the day, he believes the game

is all about the fans. And this documentary gives our fans a real behind-the-scenes look. Not only that at everything that took place at our practice facility and at games to get back to the Super Bowl, but it also tells a lot about the personal lives of some of the key figures on the team, including Travis and Prattrick and Chris Jones and Andy Reed, really shows what goes into it from an emotional standpoint and the tremendous character that those individuals have. So I think he would absolutely love it because at the end of the day he was about making the fan experience as good as it possibly could be. I love that. I love to hear it. On that note, tone has a question for you. Yeah, Mr. Hahn, I have a question about the stars on your team.

Obviously, Patrick is a ginormous star in the NFL world and doing quarterback and stuff like that. but we just saw it this week with Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift on the New Heights podcast. They broke every single record in the world. Obviously, Taylor, come into your games and stuff like that. But Travis being as big as a star now as he is, I assume that you guys don't hate this and this is all good for business? Yeah, well, first of all, let me just say how happy we are for their relationship.

They're an amazing couple and watching the two of them together is really special. and, you know, that podcast, seeing them side by side talking about the relationship was absolutely amazing. It's been a whirlwind, I would say, for the organization over the last two years since Taylor literally stepped into our lives. She's done an amazing job unintentionally of increasing our female fan base. We used to be about a 50-50 ratio male to female fan base, and now 57% of our fans are female, which I think is probably the highest in the National Football League.

So there's absolutely been a Taylor Swift effect, and I just should say that my daughters couldn't be happier that we have her as part of the Chief's Kingdom now. Yeah, they're not the only ones, brother. I mean, it is great for the entire sport we think. We are big football people, so we love it that the biggest star on earth is involved. I couldn't even imagine being actually the owner of the team

Yeah. We love it too, brother. We certainly love it as well. Her, the securing the stadium and getting her in there, and obviously the story goes, we learned on the New Heights podcast, 1.3 million concurrence. That's at that time, let alone they put out the numbers afterwards. We're talking records all over the place. She just walked in the front door, I guess, of Arrowhead the first time she went there. Then obviously it's become an entire thing. We've heard about the three-floor suite potentially in the stadium. It's kind of like a rumor allure about it but have you guys had to change anything because the biggest star on earth is coming in there and obviously once it's known that she's coming it becomes an even bigger kind of chaotic

shit show almost outside of that thing yeah it's been a little challenge for our security folks they've done a great job both at home games and on the road she's attended a number of away games as well and they do a great job of getting her safely into the stadium but i think the most amazing thing about that first game, which, you know, caught us all by surprise, was the fact that she literally walked in the front door. And, you know, we had offered to get her some special security. And she said, no, I want to be just like a typical fan. I'm coming straight in the front door. She's a dog, dude. She's a dog. I mean, we all need to understand that at this point. She's an absolute dog. She's a great football person. Like, we are very thankful she's in the football

world. Obviously, you are as well. You know, we're going to have to do that. Clark, we appreciate you, man. What's life like right now for the preseason for you? What do you have cooking on a day-to-day during these days? Yeah, well, I'm headed to Seattle later today. We play the Seahawks tonight, and obviously the focus this time of year is evaluating your young players. And I think Brett Veach has done it again. We have an amazing draft class. They've looked great last week. I can't wait to see them play tonight. I think they'll play a big part in our success this year. Yeah, Connor has a question for you, boss.

Yeah, Mr. Hunt, speaking of the draft, you guys kind of hosted it in 2023, and that was one of the first big, massive draft nights. You know, Nashville comes to mind and even Green Bay this past season. It feels like the draft has become a massive, you know, fan experience in the off season. Lamar Hunt would love. Lamar Hunt would love it, yeah. Yeah, he would add, yep, yep, big nod to the head, yeah. How was that experience kind of hosting the draft in your own city?

And then also, how much better is it for you? as an owner now that you aren't picking at the top of every draft and you can kind of hang out and wait till the end of it. Yeah, well, of course, you know, picking at the end of the round makes it tough, but Brett and his staff are up to the challenge every year and it seems like, you know, they find some real gems and hopefully did it again this year with Josh Simmons. But, you know, going back to hosting the draft in Kansas City, what an amazing opportunity that was to showcase Kansas City. And I thought Kansas City did a fantastic job. It was an amazing event, 300,000 people attending. It was just a lot of fun all the way around. I think that's one of the

best decisions that the NFL has made in recent years is moving the draft around to different cities and letting them have that opportunity because there are passionate fan bases across the U.S. Especially in these cities that probably won't get a Super Bowl, you know, because weather restrictions in it all. So you have the draft that is a selling. of football. It's still a festival. It's multiple days. Obviously, it's not Super Bowl, but it is awesome. And it's all because Radio City Music Hall said, we don't got time for you. Sorry, NFL. The Raw Cats got to do a show. And then it's become one of the biggest nights of the offseason for us. Combine, the first couple days, draft, the only thing that carry us

in the off season. So if you guys want to think of more, you know, super duper things in the off season, we would be very grateful. Just know, whenever you guys do that, the people that talk every single day would love everything about that. Last question here from AJ. Go ahead, boss. Yeah, Mr. Hunt, I was curious how competitive you may be with the other owners. I think if you guys getting together at the owners meeting, maybe other events where you guys are together, and we know everybody wants to win. We know that. You've been in a great spot here for a while now, but are you guys competitive? Do you guys talk? Do you joke around back and forth about your franchise and how it may be doing? Yeah, I think everybody who's involved with the NFL is incredibly competitive.

You know, my dad used to say this is a really unusual business because six days a week you're trying to work together to make the NFL better. And then on Sundays, you want to punch your best friends. And that's absolutely how it is. Everybody cares a lot about winning. I think that's something that our fan base understands. And, you know, I'm lucky to have, you know, so many great partners in the NFL, but certainly on Sundays, I want to come out on top.

Hey, let's talk about a couple of those partners that you might be able to either gain knowledge from or give knowledge too. Here in Indianapolis, obviously three daughters of gym are taking over the team, second generation, now third generation ownership in the family. Obviously, you would understand a situation like this, even though it happened to you, I think in a little bit older age than like Kalin or Carly and Casey. Do they reach out? Do you guys reach out to the daughters or the next set of ownership whenever teams have

the situation arise like the one we have right now in Indianapolis? Yeah, I think that's one of the great things about the NFL ownership group is how collaborative we are. I remember when I took over for my dad that John Merritt reached out to me and said, hey, if you want to bounce any ideas off me, if you've got some questions that you need to answer, I'd love to talk to you about it. So it is a group that works really well together. Obviously, when you have these transitions, they're very difficult.

There's a lot of responsibility. Even though I got to work with my dad for many years before he passed away, you know, the first time that that spotlight is on you, it is really, really challenging. And, you know, they're definitely, in our case, we're some hard days. I made some mistakes and hopefully learn from those mistakes. And certainly had a lot of good resources to balance ideas off. Yeah, where's the manual, you know, when he sits there? Is it in this drawer?

And then on the flip side of that, did you reach out or have you reach out to craft about because obviously now post their dynasty run 20 plus years absurd insane? None of us really know. You guys are obviously going to try to attain that and, you know, supersede that and everything. But now we've learned that there's been a lot of shit that he had to deal with while they were doing their dynasty as an owner as an owner. Have you reached out and chitchat about that? Or do you think you have a different kind of culture than what was happening in New England? And it's not really the same. operation? Yeah, well, we're very close to the Kraft family. My dad and Robert were very good friends, and I consider Jonathan Kraft a close friend as well. We've not only been involved in the NFL together, but we've been in Major League Soccer since the start back in 1996, so we get to spend a lot of time with him. When we started going to the Super Bowl, I did reach out to Jonathan, you know, just to ask his perspective because they had been to so many games and, you know, what were the do's and don'ts and, you know, how did you need to maximize the opportunity and make sure that the team remained focused on the task at hand. So they were

a tremendous resource to me. And, you know, I feel very blessed that we've been able to have this dynastic run, you know, following the amazing success that they had for over a decade. Yeah, they were, yeah, yeah, too, today. They were a long time. I was in the NFL during a portion of it. I was in high school during a portion of it, and I was in a long, long as time. Off topic, your family, I think soccer, obviously you talked about, you know, Major League Soccer, and ASL, everything in America. I think your boy plays, I think, I'm not a hundred and short, but I think I've seen, he plays down at SMU, I think, which is your college. Are we ever going to win this thing? Do you think our team's going to get you? What do you think? I have faith. I like Ponce, the head coach of the U.S. men's national team. You think we have a chance? Yeah, well, first of all, getting to host the tournament back in the U.S. is going to be tremendous for the sport.

And typically, the host countries do very well in the World Cup. In fact, you can go back to 1994 when the U.S. hosted the tournament, and we made it further in that tournament than we had made it in many, many years. So I would expect that we'll get a boost from hosting the tournament. I do think we're doing a much better job developing players, and at the end of the day, you know, that's really what you have to do. We've got to have world-class players if we want to one day aspire to win the World Cup. I would hope that we're going to advance deep in the Cup.

I don't know that we'll win in 26, but I certainly expect it in the coming years. We're going to win in 2020. We're going to be loud, too, over here. We are going to be very loud and obnoxious about it. Just know that. I know you can't, but just know that we will be the obnoxious. Americans through that entire World Cup run. And we are expecting a title.

Yes. It's coming home. It is certainly coming home. Tony Mioola, Kobe Jones, Alexi Wallace, in the Bull is back there. Oh, 1994, he wasn't around. Tab Ramos, but yes, Jeff Cameron would have fit in with that group, for sure. Clark, safe travels out to Seattle.

We appreciate the hell out of you, man. Congrats on everything, by the way. Yeah, thank you very much. Great, great to be on. Fun to get to talk about the kingdom. We couldn't be more pleased about it, as an organization. All right.

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crowned the number one fantasy football player of 2025 one app one shot one champion download the ESPN fantasy app and sign up to play ESPN fantasy football today yeah i was wonder like what was the level of surprise yeah whenever they show up and then starts going how it's going what is this this is not what i'm get him off there get him off there i assume full pat happened with riley green yeah riley green is this what this is great that dude's got a cannon bro he's it ain't in a j how about him and he's duncan he's one foot dunkin too a come that's amazing so he did uh like before the show before we recorded he was awesome i'm telling us he one of the best guests we've just had in the like excluding interview just

hanging out he's one of the top three for sure i think so yeah just came and sat down and just immediately right into the fire. I mean, no questions asked. With his accent, in his own way, you know, in a very southern country fuck way. You know, it was, it was spectacular. And he walked in and we saw a silhouette first, sideways, and he had that hat, and then his mustache was just like so. Yeah. It was like, it was like, it was like, it was, it was, yeah, and it just, he had like that shit. Hey, how you doing, Riley? It was like, this guy. Holy hell. Shirt tucked in, immediately upon enter i mean you're talking just absolute gentleman was doing construction yeah we appreciate him okay let's talk about the news that broke today obviously i'm excited to get your take and i would like

you to not only speak for yourself okay i'd like you to speak for a legion of people that you represented as the president of ohio for a couple years ohio state fans reaction to the michigan punishments that have been kind of announced today uh it's basically money it's going to end up being like 25, 30 million all in if they end up playing. They won't be able to receive any college football playoff funds. They got fined like seven point something million dollars on top of that.

Shroen Moore suspended in 2026. There's a $50,000 fine to the football team as well. I think that they're taking away one chamber, one hyperbaric chamber. I think they're keeping a quarter of it though because I think it is like 75 or I think they're keeping 33% of the hyperbaric chamber.

I think it was $75,000. So they took $50,000 of the hyperbaric chamber out. So I don't know how they're going to be able to close the end, but there is still a little bit. Seemingly, if I'm a Michigan fan, very excited that this is over. Now, as somebody who respects the hell and appreciates college football as a whole,

had no idea we were still in the middle of this. You know, like when the tweet came out that the NCAA will be making its final ruling on Friday, I thought to myself this can't still. be Conner Stallions. It is. That'll carry all the way into 2026 with Sherellamore's suspension. How do you think the people of Ohio feel? I'm sure they're very reasonable about it all. Yeah, I mean, I can't exactly speak for the people of Ohio. I'm sure there's a strong feeling. Yes, you can. I can speak for myself, I guess. I think there's definitely people that

are fans of Ohio State that expected something like this, especially when we had Pete come on yesterday and Pete basically told us it's not going to be some gigantic situation where they you know there's a postseason bull ban or anything like this like I'm I'm personally like torn on it because I don't think you should I don't want the players there now to get punished like I don't think you should punish players that are there now for something that happened before they even got to school like I don't I think that's stupid it rips those dudes off yep and the head coach is gone already coached the NFL 10 year show calls might as well be a hundred year show call like who cares that doesn't matter we know that right it's 14 years and four years and 10 years and

and then it didn't run concurrently. You know, those are stacked on top of each other. But yes, I think as you read through it all, in Connor Stallion, eight years, I think he has a show cause. But if you read Nicole Arborak's tweet about Jim Harbaugh, everybody's like assuming that Connor Stallion just kind of banned. It's like, no, they just have to make a pitch for why he's allowed to coach there. And they just got to showcase that they have certain things in place

that'll make sure he doesn't cheat again or something like that. That's basically how it was worded. And, you know, that's just kind of, I think Connor Stallion is probably pretty excited about everything that's happening. Think someone hires him? Yeah. From what we learned from watching that doc, it's like, I don't know how he doesn't have a job in the NFL already, just doing data shit. You know, just like, he's a data analytics guy. He was obsessed with it.

He was a u-rah with this entire thing. We're talking about sleeping on the side of the road in the car in between, you know, like, this dude was committed to the game. And now, did he go too far? everybody in football was like yes if he was recording and going too far but everybody in football was also like man why don't we hire that yeah it's always

it's just like up in New England with everything that was getting caught like SpyGate everybody still kind of holds over Belichick not everybody but there's some people that still hold that over but every NFL player and coach was just like let's move along let's move along let's not dig too deep into this thing

like obviously can't do it he got punished let's not start turning over stones and everybody else's backyard. Let's not, let's just keep it moving. And I feel like this kind of fell into that same thing. And inevitable. Like at the beginning, it was like, this is scumbaggery. And I think as we continue to learn, as it continued to go,

it's like, all right. The 10-year thing, though, the hard boss, why? Yeah. Are they just trying to guess how long his career is going to be with the Chargers? If this guy thinks he's going to come back after a 10-year career in the NFL, he's got another thing coming. He'll be suspended for a year. Allegedly he's what Nicole Auerbach reported if he was to come back

during this 14-year show cause suspension that he's having is having going on. But, yeah, I think if you're a Michigan fan, you're A-OK moving forward here. They paid Bryce Underwood, what, $16 million? Yeah. That kid's going to be there for three years. Four a year. Yeah. So, and they just picked up, what's his name, the guy that owns Lanai?

Larry Ellison. Yeah, Larry Ellison is not a booster of a school that he never went to because who he's eight. He's second or third wealthiest person or fourth wealthiest person in the world. He's the one that paid for the Bryce Underwood thing? Just on, yeah, you got how much we need? He actually wired it from the island of Hawaii that he owns in Lanai up to his own satellite and then dropped it directly into Bryce Underwood's bank account that he probably owns too somehow. It's like they're not worried about money up there in Michigan.

The NCAA should have been like $150 million, and we're going to get a renovation of the office. Yeah. We're going to use Michigan to do it. And they would have still acted the same exact way. It's like, yeah, we move along here. Where's that money go? I don't know. It's a good question.

I don't know. The NCAA offices. Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot of money. Also, Notre Dame, how much money they make for college football playoff or everybody else? Oh, yeah. Smart. Why would they ever join a conference?

Bingo. Well, why wouldn't anybody else be trying to get out of a conference? Exactly. Yeah. You know, like, if you're a big brand. Who was in Florida? Would it between 36 other sports or what? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Like, for instance, let's say, oh, Ohio State, and Petiti's not going to like this, and we like Petiti, and we like the Big Ten, and we like Ohio State. You can throw Michigan in there, too, but Ohio State, let's just talk Ohio State. Ohio State, Columbus, highest rated on everything. College Game Day, Columbus, the rating is insane. Ohio State games are playing anybody? The rating's insane. Why is Ohio State playing in the biggest game of the week for Fox, who just paid billions of dollars for the Big Ten deal, literally at noon every single?

Why do the people of Ohio State hate the situation that the primetime game on their network is at noon? instead of at night. It's because Ohio State moves the needle no matter what. That is what if Ohio State was to be an independent operation seamless. Yeah. It would be an absolute seamless operation. Now Petitin doesn't want to hear that. I understand that. And I assume people to Ohio

State don't want to hear that either, but that's like a very real thing. There's probably what, like four schools that could do it, five schools that could do it, and just kind of have their own fans will support us until we go. No matter. Texas has the opportunity to do that. They did it kind of. Yeah. Longhorn Network. Notre Dame, obviously, able to do it.

They are currently doing it. But it's not like everybody could do that. But if you had the capability and had the platform and the base and knew that your fans were going to support wherever you want and TV deals were going to be ready for you as soon as you went there, it's like, why wouldn't you want to take the full allotment of the college football playoff bonus as opposed to having to split it with literally 18 different people? That's an interesting little thing.

Shout out to Notre Dame, like literally from the jump having this. But if you're those other schools that could do this, you've got to be at least snooping around a little bit on how this will be possible. It probably won't ever happen because that's kind of like the benefit for a lot of the other teams in the Big Ten. But it will be interesting if in like four years, let's say like the only teams from the Big Ten that have made the college football playoff are Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State. And Oregon, yeah, I forget they're in the Big Ten. Like they might go back and be like, hey, we're done doing this. Like everyone gets an equal distribution of like we're the only teams that are making to the playoffs.

So, like, we're not just going to let our continued success kind of let all these other schools eat. Like, you wonder, I mean, obviously there are bylaws in place that probably make that impossible to happen. But it is interesting because if you just continually have those teams kind of set in the bar in a conference and you could go to the other conferences too, it's the same deal. It's like, hey, why are we the ones who are having all the success and we're kind of getting punished by it? Because we have to give, you know, the Northwesterns of the world $2.5 million because we make the playoff. Bavakua and Marcus Freeman up there at Notre Dame, like, how much money you guys getting for this game?

Two and a half. You idiot. Yeah, that's nice. Twani. For what? What you guys just did? Why would they ever? When people try to get them to join a conference, why would they ever?

Well, especially if Marcus Freeman's going to continue to lead the boys. You know, like that's a huge payday. Obviously, March Madness and everything is big money for universities as well. But if you're Notre Dame and your football team can get to the college football playoff, we're going to have new buildings up there on a very regular basis and not that that campus isn't already beautiful which it is but it's like

they got to figure it out up there and good for them all right let's move along let's go to the NFL there's preseason action happening there's some notables playing age we got some big names primetime Caleb Williams will make his debut under the Ben Johnson offense

and allegedly you know Zito found a tweet from somewhere deep in the annals of the internet Caleb Williams having a good day today against the Buffalo bills you got Herbert playing off Hardball is going to have the boys spinning a little bit. Gino Smith.

Bruce Purdy. Bruce. Oh, hold on. Hold on. He should think about that. Bruce Purdy. Is that his dad's name? I'm sure there's a Bruce and Purdy fan.

His grandpa. Gotta be. Granddad. Granddad. Granddaddy, Bruce. Grand Pape. Granddad. Brock Purdy playing Cam Ward.

Anthony Richardson and Danny Dimes continue their quarterback battle. Sam Donald. How are you doing Seattle Seahawks? Learn something about Ginger's from Marshawn. I didn't know that. Sweet. I got a couple of gingers in the fam. I guess they got the green light from what I've been told. I'm excited for them to try that going forward. Shout out to Marshawn Lynch. And then obviously Joe Milton can throw out a core model. We'll see if he does that. Dylan Gabriel, getting some time because Shador Sanders hurt is oblique. He'll be out. So that week one, awesome play out of Shador will carry into at least week three of the preseason as he sits out in this oblique. Great play, by the way. Not saying we're happy he's hurt, but for the Shador Sanders conversation. Let's see what Dylan Gabriel does. And if he doesn't, it's going to get a lot.

We've seen DeWan Jones before, and we've seen Dylan Gabriel. You keep attacking this guy for his height. I'm not attacking him. I just still think it's crazy that what Shador did in the first preseason game and what Dylan Gabriel is, that one of them was picked in the fifth round and one was picked in the third round. Yeah, it's still pretty crazy at all. I just remember Dylan Gabriel, though, is, absolute dog in college ball and can spin it.

He's a little Kelle Mory thought whenever I see him, not just because he's lefty, but the style of play. Maybe the timing of a Stefansky offense will be great for Dylan Gibber. And he's been having to deal with finding throwing lanes his whole life. Now it's a little different with, you know, the Giants of the NFL. But we shall see how they go. It's going to get loud for Dylan, whatever happens here. I hope he does very well.

I heard Joe Flacco, too, was spinning it. Nobody wants to talk about it. I heard Flacco still out there doing with Joe Flacco. I'm going to make a guess here. Flacco is going to start week one. Okay. And then week what is another quarterback player? Next season.

Joe Flacco's running the gamut. He's back with Stefansky. The last time he played with DeFansky, he came from the couch to the playoffs with the Cleveland Browns. If Joe stays healthy, he's going to be started all of you. It's going to be tough to bench Flacko when they're 10 and 0 after, you know, 10 weeks. Which is definitely possible Joe Flack. Everybody will laugh about that.

Oh, it's Jerry Judy's going to have 1,500 yards and 10. Do you see Jerry Judy's trying out today? Oh, yeah. Oh, Jerry Judy's midseason 4, Mage. I know you like to see that. I love him. I am curious to see what Dylan Gabriel does. We watch him in person.

I do can play. We know that. You're right. If he comes out there and lights it up, it's going to be some fun talking points up in Cleveland. Didn't play great against Ohio State. Jackson Dart, and you just wanted to bring that game up.

He didn't play great at all. Yeah, in that particular game, but he's obviously. Yeah, in that game, I mean. First time he did. First time he played him, he did. Yeah, true. Jackson Dart's playing.

They say he's a guy for the future. They say Russell Wilson, once again, probably started there. Jackson Dart, when? Does that happen? When's the New York Giants' buy week? Bruce, when's your guys' buy week for the New York Giants? He's looking.

Oh. I'd assume... Or does it know? Week 14. Yeah, late. Oh, that's very late. That's crazy. That's very late.

That would have seemingly been the transition time if you had. Week 14 is way too late. We'll see how that goes. And then he got Rattler and Shuck playing ball a little bit. AJ, out of all that, I think Caleb Williams is obviously all eyes on. That whole Ben Johnson situation, and can't wait see what happens in Indianapolis. I didn't like the Swagoo laughed in my face whenever I said. That was crazy.

That was messed up. He was hitting his head. He was literally... It was the funniest thing he's ever heard. Crying laughing. I still think there's a chance somebody was underneath his feet. Yeah. Tickling his son.

I can see that. Maybe his son. Yeah, I mean, I don't think his son was probably in the gym or something. Maybe he had like a little robot on her. He was like, hey, tickle my feet. Tickle me, robot. Yeah, he had a huge one. Let's not talk about the Anthony Richardson Danny Dime situation,

which will obviously be must-watch. But Caleb Williams, operating Ben Johnson's offense is all anybody's going to talk about. So we are actually going to judge him in the huddle when he's getting a snap off on the plate. Play of games, all that. Don't you want to see, like, hey, do they break the huddle with three seconds on the clock?

Like, just the full operation is what I want to see. Like, that's what, I'm sure the coaches want to see that, too. Hey, let's look professional tonight. Let's look like we know what we're doing. I do wonder if they didn't have enough faith last week in it. And they're like, we're not putting anybody. out there. Who cares? It's first week of preseason. Because the conversation was, if the

offensive line's not in, why are they going to have Caleb in? It's like, well, maybe the reason why you chose not to have the offense line is because maybe we're not all on the same page. Maybe now it's not the time. And they've got to learn a brand new offense that has a lot in it. I mean, we've seen the Detroit Lions over the years. There's a lot of shit in that offense.

I assume there's a foundation. I assume there's like basics of it. And then there's only like 10 million different things that can come off of it. In learning all of those different things, you know, if you're the tight end, you've got to learn all the tight end shit. If you're X, you got to learn if you are these positions, you only got to learn your shit. Caleb has to learn everybody's multitude of things that they could do. So maybe it's just

taking a little bit, I would not blame him if that was the case, especially from what we've heard of Ben Johnson's offense. And hopefully he'll be able to light it up in that particular offense that has had a lot of success over the last four years in Detroit. Yeah, I mean obviously he's not thinking about this, but Caleb's one of those guys where no matter what he does, there will be no middle ground in terms of the way it's discussed following the game. If he plays really well, people are going to be like, see, this is what we were talking about.

Ben Johnson, like, this guy could be one of the five best quarterbacks in the NFL. If he doesn't play well, it's going to be, hey, this guy sucks. Like, you know, like, I don't think there's going to be any, like, oh, he played pretty well. He played okay. Like, I don't think we're going to get any of that. Are you a little bit worried in the NFC Norris?

Uh-oh. Me? Because I heard that the Colts in Packers, joint practices? Have you heard? I heard that the Packers' defense was pretty dominating, and I'm not worried about the Colts D because Jordan loved in practice. So, you know, it's kind of a win-win for me. No, we're playing low-scoring football. We're not worried about that.

I did read that defense is dominated the day. But that was actually a very good kind of reminder for me yesterday. I was like, you look at the Colts beat reporters, and Colts are having the best goddamn day they've had so far. Packers guys are saying the same thing. So it's kind of like, okay, like, what do we do? Like, this shit doesn't matter. I read a tweet.

Colts are awesome. Boom. Then I scrolled a little bit. Packers have dominated the Colts. I'm like, all right, well, let's mute this account. Didn't see that. I don't need to hear that. Let's go ahead and move on.

That's preseason, baby. That's training camp. That's these joint practices. There's a lot of joint practices that obviously have been happening and are leading up to this particular weekend. And there's also a canceled one. I believe the Ravens and commanders

have canceled their joint practice due to a schedule and how the team feels. They said, we'll just get ready for the big game. What's that? I don't know if we have it. I'm assuming we don't. I'm not sure if Randy Orton has the capability to kind of hop on a football field and put pads on. But someone basically got RKO'd yesterday.

I don't know if you saw it. I don't think you did. There's a massive scrum between the Ravens and the commanders at their joint practice yesterday. Oh, they said one of the ones that the scrum started with, it's almost over. you know it's like just offense and defense both teams didn't run on someone from the ravens ran over and grabbed this guy by like the back of his shoulder pads and slammed him down where like a bulldog no no like he was looking this way guy comes from this way this dude doesn't see him grabs the back of his jersey and he yanks him down to his back or to his face to his back oh so it's like uh like a break

exactly just just like it Spine Buster It was awesome I don't know if you can find it It sounds like Is it a back bump? Someone yeah it was a back bump By Zeta said he found one from two years ago

Oh nice Let me see it Uh oh What was this two years ago It was a quote tweet Uh no the tweet I saw Was a quote tweet from It was

It was a quote tweet from something Yeah Because that's Emmanuel Forbes right there Yeah but we didn't know if this is We don't know if this ends with you the back bump you're talking Oh, there it is. Okay.

There you go. So they have canceled their joint practices. They were never having any this year. They decided because of a delay of a game happening one day later.

For the commanders, I believe the Ravens put out a statement saying, we're trying to make sure we meet each other at the president. And someone quote you did it with that video, that's what happened two years ago.

We know why. Yeah, the internet's filled of that. And by the way, that is out there. It's out there at any moment. That's out there at any moment. That potential is. situation, getting got for sure, but also joint practices. I heard Max Crosby talking on his

podcast. He said, I have a 100% fight rate at joint practices, 100%. They're practicing with Niners, I believe. Raiders and Niners are joint practicing. And he was just openly talking about like, yeah, because I know how this is going to go. And it's just like a guarantee that there's a fight. We've talked about this numerous times. I don't know how you don't. I don't know how if your teams don't fight, it's almost a bad thing at this point. Yeah, almost every play. If they don't it's like you guys are your brother-in-law and each other and you're going too easy because there's always especially think about all the drills you do one-on-one pass rush tackles and ends and outside rushes you also sometimes do one-on-one pass rush with like inside backers and running backs that

always gets heated and then let alone you're going you're going 11 on 11 usually to finish those practices guys are getting up dancing in dude's faces yeah you're gonna we're gonna fight yeah and speaking of brother-in-law and each other uh jeff schwartz actually found a clip of the browns and eagles Lane Johnson, Miles Garrett. This is like a perfect rep. Both of them won. Both of them won. Neither got embarrassed.

Nobody got hurt. Let's move on. All right, take the helmet off. We did our rep. Now let everybody else do it. That's legit, AJ, between those two right there. Absolutely. When I saw this happen, like, that's so perfect.

I read the tweet, and then I watched the clip. I'm like, oh, yeah, he explained that exactly how I would think. But it's true. Two unbelievable professionals going to the Hall of Fame, taking a rep at the end of training camp. Yeah. And they also, I don't think anything needed to be said either. They both understood what was going on here.

Yeah, there was no, hey, we're doing this, we're doing this. Miles wanted to work on a get-off, I assume, which he did. Lane probably wanted to work on a get-off as well. You want to work a move or two, sweet. I'll go ahead and brush it down a little bit. We both win. There's a member where Miles could have got a sack. Lane can say, I got a thing.

Helmets off, boys. Twos and threes. Good luck the rest of the day. That is, I mean, that is a perfectly executed Hall of Fame practice rep one-on-one. I saw, I believe, the day after his surgery, Land Dickerson walked out on the practice field with a bunch of a bunch of beers for the Cleveland. Yeah, a bunch of more lights.

There was like 10 of them. Cleveland Brown's on the line. Just, hey, boys, good practice out there today. Yeah, and I love that if Landon's bringing out beers, okay, he feels pretty good about where his knees is. Yeah, yes. You know, he's feeling pretty good about where he's at. Good for him, good for the Eagles.

And I love that this still exists in 2025, AJ. It's a beautiful thing. Yeah, we don't see it too much. It's a lost art thing in the past, I think. The beers in the locker room or on the field. Like, it doesn't happen. a lot, but we're getting back to it. We're going back to some of those old school football things. Like when we turned on, you know, when you see the guys in the 70s

smoking Sigs and stuff, I don't think it'll quite get there, but you never know. In the Kingdom, you're talking about there's a lot of those types of highlights from back in the day. Age, I'm telling you, two hours of shit is out right now. I wasn't able to watch the entirety of it because, you know, that's a lot of time in one night. It was literally released yesterday last night, but I can't wait to watch it. I literally cannot wait to dive into it. If you're like an NFL fan, I think this is a doc, not just, obviously, Travis and Patrick Chris Jones

Who's always so jovial But he's given some real speeches in there Chris Jones given some real speeches in there So is Patrick, so is Travis It's like a completely different light Than what you see him It's like, oh yeah, these guys are still animals We forgot that these dudes are still absolute beasts

These dudes are competitive freaks And whenever they're talking to the team It's vastly different than whenever talking to media Or they're having a couple Curse lights out on a golf course Like it is you get to see the reason and why they are who they are. I think it's very well done here early. Now

can it get ruined. Sure. Absolutely. Sure, certainly can, but I think they had a hot start for what I saw. Like the first episode, you really learned, Brett Feach is one of the smartest guys in the entire NFL when it comes to just evaluating players. And then the second episode, Mr. Hunt kind of mentioned it, it's all Andy Reid.

It's like Andy Reid's entire story. It's really cool. Bless you, Tony. We have huge news at the college football world. Oh, no. Hawaii Yeah, yeah. has approved plans for a new stadium. Yeah.

Have you heard about this? Front Office Sports has reported. Hawaii has approved plans to build a new Aloha Stadium. The state will contribute $400 million for the new 22,500 seat home of the Rainbow Warriors football, set to be completed in 20209. Every year I'm hoping they get really good, and there's a game day. Oh, sure. Every year. There's a chance.

I'm like, come on now. Let's go. been out there obviously a lot. I've been in Hawaii a lot. I run into a lot of Hawaii fans out there. I think I know a couple of the assistant coaches. I think I've run into them at different places out there. That place is my favorite island. And if we could just

so happen, you know, to accidentally have to do a couple days out there of this show leading up to potential Saturday show out there. It's like, it's okay. That'd be okay. So I'm happy to get a new stadium. I don't know how they'll ever be successful.

You know, like I know they were. Cole with Co. Brennan. That traveling is insane. And if they're ever able to get good, I'll be happy and pumped for the entire island, but I'm pulling for them. I mean, we'll see. You would think, and again, it's so far out there. And a lot of kids probably don't want to go out there and be that far away from their families. But, like, they could be like the transfer portal capital of the United States. Like, you play decent or whatever, and you're in some cold weather, bad area, not really playing in like the Big Ten or something. It's like, you know what? I'm going to go to Hawaii and let's turn this thing around.

I'm going to enjoy my last two years of college. I'm going to be playing in a beautiful stadium, it looks like. I think they need a mainland base. So I think they need to do all their home games straight and then all their away games straight. Because it's just like that's at least six hours. At least six hours everywhere. That's Europe from, you know, that is a long flight.

So if they were able to figure out the league, they should treat themselves as a European NFL team. Yeah, they should have a base in it. They should have class options there, you know, like, hey, we'll stay on, we got a little campus here. I don't know how you figured that all up, but I think that's the only way to do it because of how much the travel is, plus school, plus football. It's a lot of things going on, but I'm pulling for it. The NFL should try it. The NFL should legitimately sponsor that type of idea just to test to see if it would work for the London teams that we've talked about.

I like that. Yeah, because then, you know. We need a white to have a home game, though, if we're going to go out there. We don't get it to be one of their way. Unfortunately, they'll say they can't do it because of it. of school and stuff like that. No, but everything's... If they did, like, a satellite campus, yeah.

Yeah, you just set up a little couple... I don't think you have to go to class anyway. I think you can choose to take pretty much everything online. Oh, I'm sorry. AJ, West Virginia, I just want to let you know. Student athletes. You're student human athlete, okay? I hope they do.

You know, I feel like kids don't get the full college experience if you don't have to actually go on campus. At least a couple times a week. I should have tried that when I was at school. But you went on for fun. You went on to campus for fun. I should have tried classes. You went to a couple classes.

I did. I enjoyed some classes. Rich Rod didn't check your classes? I thought for sure Rich Rod would check. Oh, yeah, he did. Yeah, they did. They all did, yeah. And then we had to negotiate.

You know, everything's a negotiation. Everything is a negotiation. You know, I can't do it. I don't know what you want me. I'm not a good morning person also. This is the easiest class of all time. There's no reason I should be sitting in this thing. Just keep making them kicks and we'll figure it out.

I will be eligible. I made all big east. So when I negotiated the thing, I made the all big East academic team that semester. So I feel like it you know kind of. Stamp of approval. Yeah, so then I got myself a little bit of leeway there. So then I did not ever make that team again.

Sure. You know, but I did get a little leeway. Never missed the test. You know, I had a certain sociology love Nancy Feather. Love that lady. Professor Pat loved you too, dude. I mean, there was a psychic class. Yeah, there was a couple in there that I really enjoyed. Everything else, though. I'm not coming here to be a doctor or

a lawyer, bro. Do we really need to know? Silent film class? That was great. Oh, really enjoyed the artist. Yeah, it was the train, the train robbery. Yep. That's like one of the original ones. That's a first class, first class, because I realized after that first class

is probably, it's probably Aloha. Hello and goodbye. Sure. For that particular class. And it was fun, though. Yeah, I should have experienced the education part of school more, though. I look back and think about that. But these kids today, they don't even have to.

I mean, you just open your computer. I hope they get to hang out. I hope they get to hang out and go to a bar every once in a while. That's all I hope. Give them a chance. Have a beer with the lads. They are. They are.

They are. It's coming back. Speaking of coming back, I'll see you guys in a while. The boys, though, will be back with surprise guest hosts. Whoa. Yeah, you guys will see it on Monday. Where will I be? I don't know.

Huh. Maybe we'll do a little guessing game. Oh, I like that. Where is the asshole? It's far. Yes. I love you all. Goodbye.

I will be back, obviously, in time for season, but there will be an extended amount of time where I will be in places unknown. Where in the world is Patrick McAfee? Yeah, that's a good question. Is it in the world? Have you thought about that? I haven't thought about that.

Everything is gone to the space station. What are you mean? That's the world. ISS. There's a lot going on. This is an incredibly cool opportunity, and I'm very thankful for it and I'm lucky for it. I don't know if I'm prepared enough for it,

but I've tried my best. You're an ayahuasca. Maybe now's the time to you go overseas to get a bunch of elective surgeries Maybe you had to turkey get some new hair That might be that might be where I Go to Egypt Might go see the pyramids You know I think it was

Was it despicable me where they give away that the pyramids are just inflatable Yes First scene Yeah because he stole it What's that? Yeah he stole it and left a red inflatable and that fat ass fucking fell on it and grew man that kid though he had a harness on he broke the harness yeah he was a real piece his parents were yeah but he had a relentless i mean we should really think about that kid's mentality whenever

i'm sure you don't know what we're talking about right now because your kids are a little bit older me i've seen i've seen them all but i take it to the theater i fall asleep usually so i don't really follow the storyline too much all right all right kids what you want to want You know it's great Whatever the newest one Hey let's do it guys Let's go But you know

The seats lay all the way back I'm gonna take a 45 minute At some point in that movie I'll say despicable of me Does keep here Because the music is great Yeah the minions too The minions are incredible

Yeah for all right Despicable of me is good What else? Yeah Hotel Transylvania Yeah It's good Has got us through for a while

A lot of anime You've seen sing yet Because I know you're a Netflix guy Love sing Greatest showman Hey What do you mean I was watching

sing while we were putting together big night out and he's trying to put together a show that's what he's trying to do that yeah it was a that was a really cool thing for mackenzie can never understand what's going on but like hey your your dad is literally doing what is in this movie right now uh just with you know sumo wrestlers as opposed to just singers in there so it's uh it's been a good time have you guys dove into Pixar yet uh we did toy story she was big fan that's right she love toy story nemo you haven't gone in nemo that'll be a big. Nemo's in A1. Yeah. That feels like that is very

stimulating. Yeah. Monsters Inc. We watch Journey 2. That's big. Who? Journey 2. Journey 2. The Center of the Earth? Is that the bird one? With Brendan Fras With Mysterious Island, you were talking about The Rock? Oh, yeah. Sure. It was made in 2012. That popped up on

Netflix. I thought it was a new movie. I'm like, The Rock's and a new fucking kids movie? I go this is Uncle Final Boss here. And I turned it on, you know? And it was clearly 2012, clearly. I mean, it was, there was really nothing that McKenzie was looking for it. Sure.

You know, it was. Sure. We're going to have to wait a few years. Story was good, though. Oh, yeah. They were going on a hunt to find something, Mysterious Island, obviously. He's a stepdad. Stepboy does not like him until they kind of fall in love with the same thing. I never heard this movie. Popped up on Netflix. There's the number two show on Kids Netflix yesterday,

and I'm like, holy shit, the Rock's got a number two show on Netflix? How come we never? We talk about Moana, we talk about that, we don't talk about this. No. They just, I guess Netflix just got this. And I'll tell you what, that feels like a platform that if you get on there, right to the top. Yeah. People are just looking for shit on Netflix.

Have you shown her Tommy Boy yet? She's not seen Tommy Boy yet. She does know Adam Sandler very well. So she's in having. Tommy Boy, I think Tommy Boy, Chris Farley, any era, any generation, he works, which makes me very happen. I have, she has seen Letterman, his entrance on Letterman. Okay. So she does know of Chris Farley.

Farley, which she certainly will as she continues to grow older. She will understand the greats before she was around in and all. She's got a lot of rhythm. I don't know if that's all big. That's my thing. Never really wanted to be around kids, you know, like ever. And then remember I had that book on how to be a dad. It was going to teach me about a bunch of kids, but she came two weeks early.

And I was going to read that, you know, like maybe a week out. Keep fresh. Fresh on ice. I never got to read. So I don't know really anything about the development. and where and all that and I'll keep the updates and she passed the speech thing okay that's great news she's doing this yeah we're hitting all the milestones I think whatever it is but like she can really keep a beat like she is actually rhythmic and loves music I assume that's every kid because I kind of see the way it goes but she will go right into the middle of a group and start dancing and everything like that might have a little you know she's a child star but she ain't going to be a child star sure sure she's going to be you a star, but she's going to play sports first, and then... Be a child first.

Exactly. She's going to have a good time. A lot of temptation out there these things. All those decisions, Marcus Spears was talking about his kid, both his kids, all these people, just so many ideas at this moment. Think about all the ideas we get pitched. Just some of them completely ask. Somebody wanted us to do 1,000 things for

very limited amount of money, and I'm 38 years old at this point of career and have seen all of these contracts for a long time now. And it's like, somebody tried to get me with a fucking terrible contract and it's like couldn't even imagine what they're doing to 15 16 year olds at this point that's scary a j all of that's very scary that's what i mean taking advantage of kids and their parents and their family he was trying to help them they're all trying to navigate

it and figure it out in real time so yeah i don't i don't get it i don't know the good thing is like if you're good they'll find you you'll figure it out look at this this is cool right you family's never had this don't worry but we own you and everyone that's coming after you yeah this is what we're expecting out of you though don't worry yeah yeah yeah eyes eyes eyes eyes eyes eyes eyes We also need you to bum but a ba-da-ba. Just reading through that. Excuse me? Has anybody ever agreed to something like this?

Just need to know. Call a couple of people. Hey, have you guys agreed to these types? Why are these deals allowed to exist? What is this? What has happened here? We would obviously never suggest that somebody should call to another agency. Are you guys agreeing to these fucking deals?

Why are these people think that this is okay? This cannot be something that people think is okay. we would obviously never okay all right so yeah okay so i don't know who's allowing these to be a thing but we need to stop that we need to make sure we understand but also if you want to grind away and make a little bit of money i guess those opportunities are out there i couldn't imagine as a teenager having to deal with all that shit yeah good luck mackenzie i'm pulling for you you imagine what if you're a teenager what if you're a teenage kid and you have a staff of like you know how these guys have managers and bodywork people hey cruel no but i'm saying what if you have on

these people in high school and you don't even get one offer you don't even have an opportunity to play in college that probably happens oh yeah that happens you think all the money's wasted on that and then they're in debt now forever I don't know if they use the entire team for the entire four years but I'm

assuming there are definitely kids who after their second or third year high school are like okay clearly you're not going to is Jake firing these people who's firing them I yeah is it if they're not good is it a till college type deal or it's like, hey, we'll take care of you and then once you go.

By the way, it has worked for Jay Cruel. We're not saying that that's something as wrong. It's good for these guys that are really good players. Yeah, but I'm saying all of them aren't going to be superstars. And all these coaches aren't going to be good coaches. I think Jake Cruel had three sacks on three consecutive plays in one of the series last night for IM. I think he had four or five sacks. I forget what it was to start the season.

That's game one, let alone what he's about to do going forward. That's insane numbers. That's like basketball number. How much do you average? He averaged like a five and five. What was it? Five sacks, five swats. What was that?

One get one game. Yeah, that's just some of these dudes are outrageous, but I assume some of these coaches are ass. And it's like, can the high school player just fire them? I don't know who those deals go. I mean, I would assume. So I also wonder how much of that stuff is IMG adjacent. Like he probably maybe had a couple,

but I wonder if once you go to IMG, obviously, like, they're preparing kids to go play college football and college sports. So I wonder how much of that is like once he gets there. Hey, we have this guy you can work with. We have this guy you can work with. We have this guy you can work with. Like, I don't know. What about the other guy?

Wow. The other guy is always there. The other guy is always there. Jeff Gardner, J. Mark G. 1962, feels like quick math. He is 63 years of age. He says, IMG 5 star edge. Jay Cruel, Oklahoma Committee talks about us first. His multiple sack effort.

Just say how many sacks so we could all know. Jeff, next time, please. Including three straight in one drive. So we had like 10 sacks? I don't know. Yeah, that could be anywhere for, I literally been saying four or five. If he got three and three straight plays, I assume the rest of the series were pretty easy for him as well.

Jake Kruel currently has 14 sacks. Leads the country through one. And it would make sense after watching his film. How about the show of the hands dip thing that he did just like so smooth right to the, your mind, thank you. He's got to just be toying with people out there. Is this from last night? Oh, you can't be scrambling with Jake Kruill on your side.

His pass-rush, his pass-up rush clips always pop up my algorithm. You heard of me, I stumbled through it. Yeah, it's easy for us all to say. I've had a few of those this week. Don't love it. Hopefully that'll go away on this. Man, his motor, I love his motor to go with his skill set, too. Like, the dude is relentless.

Yeah, and he does the eye black around the eyes. So I think that's kind of his thing. Like, it looked as if in the video, he does the eye black around the eyes. Love a little moxie. Do what you got to do. Starts going with different colored contacts. Let's start talking. What was the guy?

And Bosch. There he is. And in Bosch, the best. Never forget walking out to the captain's thing. Scariest human ever to be on a football field, maybe. I literally just stared the entire time. We don't want to kick that way. It's a dome.

It doesn't really matter. Is that every game? Of course, we're not talking. Yeah. Guys got red contacts in. All right, Robert. Fucking call it right. yep

this dude's got red context so then handshake after boom bang right through him that's awesome all right I'll see you no games no nonsense he didn't give you like a nothing fucking he didn't I don't even know if he noticed I was there I still don't know if he knew that I was there I honestly have no idea

but I was certainly intrigued by it all there's another one of Adrian Peterson I mean those captains coin tosses I used to really take any entire experience really used to explore the space whenever I go out there Adrian Peterson got him in a handshake was prepared for that moment

he was not he did not know what was coming I did we got and fucking sneak in there boom gotcha boom that so that'so um that's uh that was a gift from

either ESPN or the Ken C Chief that little uh locker locker thing right there there's an album inside of it and this football was inside of it So, um, this thing's sweet.

Yeah, incredible. It's like a baby Duke, baby, baby, actual baby, baby, baby duke here. This is a real letter here. Looks like it. Lamar Hunt would love seeing these things sold. Oh, man. How about talking about the draft saying, hey, Lamar would love the draft. He was like, yeah.

Yeah, yes, he would have. That Lamar guy, dude, innovator, legit sports innovator. People don't know that. I mean, that's what I hope with this documentary, hopefully it shows people that, hey, yeah, this guy. I guess he's not spoken, at least, I don't know. Is he nationwide as the guy that, like, did so much for the NFL? I will say, growing up in Pittsburgh, obviously you hear the Lamar Hunt Trophy. Like you know that for the AFC championship, but it's never really followed up with, like, hey, the reason why.

By the way. Yeah. But all of this, basically, this guy, without him, because the commissioner talking at the time, Bert, Raunt. The NFL commissioner. What's his name? Bert Bell. Bert Bell. There it is.

I was trying to. see the name. Rel. I didn't see the bottom there. Something else. Bert Bell. He was, we don't need expansion. Yeah. We've got enough talent. What are you talking about? They'll ruin the league, kill the NFL. And then he was trying to, you know, it's like, you need guys like that

in a lot, and women like that, in a lot of different worlds to try to get to where you're headed. And it's like, I think football fans should be a little bit more thankful for Lamar Hunt than we, because, I mean, Pittsburgh town, football town. Ohio football place. Oh, yeah. New England.

football? Did you know them? I didn't. No idea. None of us knew it. Not a clue. And I think it all goes into, oh, it's chiefs. Yeah. Like, who cares? Especially for a large part of our childhood. They weren't that great. You know, so it's like, ah, it's Chiefs. We had the Bruny, so it didn't really do. Exactly. That's how football fans feel. It's like,

did they bet on horse racing? Get enough money to buy I don't think so. I don't want to hear it. It's like, no, this guy actually just rode out the entire fucking business plan of the NFL. Pretty good guy. That's what's insane. Is that, like, what he has done for football and because of us and how connected we are to football

it's easier to understand it feels like, and granted I only read a couple things, it feels like he did just as much for tennis as he has done for the NFL. The Open Era Tennis, which is what it is now, he essentially created it, is how

they framed it at least on his page on Wikipedia that he was the creator of Open Air Tennis. Happy American Heroes getting you know kind of showcase a little bit, especially for our sport and our game. All right, AJ, maybe you're one of the surprise guest hosts live here in Thorough? Maybe, possibly you?

That'd be cool. Who are the guest host going to be while I am out doing something? That is a huge honor. I can't stress this enough. Like a non-turned-boundable thing, I think. Yeah, for sure. Now, is it time-consuming? Sure.

Hey, you know what? Anything worth to salts is going to be a little time-consuming. Ain't that the truth. Amen. I love you all. I appreciate you all. Hold it down, please. And when football season starts back up,

we're off and running. Train rolls. There we are. I might be a completely different person want to come back. You might be. There's a chance. Probably.

Had to be prepared for that. Have to be prepared for that? I have. Have you? I just thought about it. You need to start thinking of that. We're all going to be different people though when you get back just because

probably to be so much happier because football I've started. No. Technically, yeah, I guess not yet. Unless it has. Ah, can you even guess? It knows. Interesting. This is the stupidest life of all time.

We thank you all so much. Be your friend, tell the friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. A lot of preseason football going on. It's enjoy it all. It's enjoy this life. I'll see you guys in a few.

The boys in a surprise guest host. I think everybody's going to really be happy. boo is back on monday and tuesday man wednesday we're all on this thing together we appreciate you a j timo eight in the work they are in the back great work hey we're boys Boyce. My boys. Graphic boys. Really good.

Door boys. Talk guy. Fuck, oh. Really good. Mitt. Got a baby. Hey, Mitt. I had a lot of special guests this week here.

Yeah. A lot of very, right? Oh, yeah. It's been great. I mean, this has been an insane week. This has been an insane week here at the Thunderdome. And then Riley Green coming in today. Just carry on top.

An absolute dog. That was great. All right. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three, team. Goodbye.