The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1393 - Terry McLaurin Signs Extension, NFL Preseason Week 3 Recap, Ian Rapoport, Dan Orlovsky, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

On today’s show, Pat is out of town on assignment, as NFL Network Senior Insider, Ian Rapport guest hosts the show, to recap all the important things that happened in the last week of the preseason as well as the breaking news that Terry McLaurin is getting a 3 year, $96 million extension with the Commanders, before discussing both the Micah Parsons and Trey Hendrickson situations. Joining the show to chat about all the talk surrounding Shedeur Sanders, the Vikings trading their backup QB and signing Carson Wentz behind JJ McCarthy, his thoughts on the Colts naming Daniel Jones their starting QB and what it means for Anthony Richardson, and much more is 12 year NFL veteran at QB, ESPN NFL analyst/QB guru, Dan Orlovsky. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you on Monday. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Thunderdome and welcome once again to the Pat McAfee show. I am Ian Rappaport. Football! And these are the guys. I waited a little bit too long again. I tried to nail it. It's okay. You're figuring it out.

You're no streaks. When you're, yeah, that was one thing, that was one thing I learned in our little pre-show discussion is that Shrager apparently killed it. guest hosting. A lot of people saying way better than rap sheet. Which we, yeah, which again, we agreed with, but not resoundingly. Seems wrong. It seems wrong. So I'm Ian Rappaport.

Thanks for being here. Very happy to be back. We got Boston Connor. We got Ty Schmidt. We got Tone Diggs. Derris Bellers not joining us because he doesn't like me because he likes Schreger better. Is that what he said? What he texted me? It's kind of upsetting.

Yeah, that's fair. I'd be pretty pissed off too if I heard that. guys, too. It's kind of messed up. Well, New England slash Indy, but yes. Sure. Pat is once again, I have no idea where he is. We have not be able to find him. Has he talked to you guys? No. Nope. Hasn't texted or anything? No.

Not much. Radio silence. Yeah. I hope he's okay. I don't even know if he's on Earth. Yeah. Somewhere on the Earth. Maybe. Maybe. I hope he's okay. Best wishes with Pat McAfee, getting some much-needed rest, and God knows whatever else he is doing. We got some fun stuff for you today We got a lot to get to

A lot of football over the weekend We got some breaking news Away from the football field But right before this show started We had some breaking news on the football field For the Washington Commanders That is a great tweet right there You guys watch me write it

Wow. It was awesome I actually wrote it and then had the wrong picture So I had to edit it and re-bump it Just to get the Okay Pro is best Not my first time doing that. That's a bad look.

No, it's fine. Terry McLaren, who had been staging one of the NFL's most high-profile hold-ins, has agreed to terms on a three-year deal worth up to $96 million. That is the contract extension. It gets a $30 million signing bonus and has the opportunity to earn more than any receiver over the age of 30. Okay. It has been a long road for McClorin. I'd like to know the final details of this deal to see how close it actually.

actually came to D.K. Metcalf's $33 million. That is what he wanted. Didn't get to the 33, and I believe the base is going to be lower because 96 is the max. So my guess is it's closer to the $30 million mark than the $32, but it's really nice for Terry McClure. It is, thankfully, one of the NFL's longest running sagas is now over. We have been able to process this now, even though it's been a couple minutes. Give me your thoughts. Patriot fan, it kind of stinks just because you're one of those teams that wants Terry McClearn. I feel like there's probably at least 25 teams that are disappointed, at least fan bases wise for the commanders and for also the other teams kind of looking in on this.

Is this bad for, you know, a Cowboys, a Bengals where an extension gets done and this is just going to amplify theirs even more. It feels like we were saying for a while here, like Terry's the one that will get the deal done. The other's not really sure. but Terry McLaren always felt like the one guy that was probably going to stay with his team again, just disappointed as a fan who's not a commander's fan,

but I mean, the commanders, if you're just looking at the team now with Debo and Terry McLaren and Zach Ertz and Jaden Daniels and while Bill Kroski Merritt, it's all of a sudden which is a whole other story we're going to get to in a second. Oh yeah, exactly, yeah, but they look they're amazing now with Debo and

Laramie Tunsell and everything and now I think Super Bowl's right back on. Yeah, I do agree though I'd be interested to see what the actual contract is because last week when you were hosting and we were talking about this, really everything that we've heard about him in the last several weeks has been like, hey, they're way far off on money. He wants one thing and he's kind of being steadfast and they don't know if they want to get to that point. And it's reported at what, you know, 32 a year you kind of just laid out what will actually be. So it'll be interesting to see how much he's actually making and how much he maybe had to concede or, you know, how much

they had to concede. But if you're a commanders fan, I mean, we've been talking about, like, this needed to get done. They need Terry McCorn on the field this year to kind of, you know, make sure that Jane Daniels' potential just keeps going on the up and up. So I think, yeah, this is great news and, you know, just in time. No, like this, like this, you had to get it done if you were the commanders. Like, this is great for Terry, but the commanders had to get it done. Just like Ty said, like the number one thing for them is that Jane Daniels doesn't go into

like some sophomore slump, like that he continued. to get better. The only way to do that is with a number one wide receiver and Terry McClureen is by far their number one ride. Debo is great. But Terry's a number one ride receiver. And everyone who watches and knows football knows exactly what I'm saying there. But like a rookie quarterback so you have the money and you want him to continue to get better. And I mean, this is a new ownership with a fan base that is coming back to this team. And the one thing that you didn't want to do is lose them again and say, oh, this owner is the same. uh as the last one and we just didn't pay one of our guys has been with us forever and shows up

every single day and is the consummate professional i was actually curious to see you're right about that i mean this this is an organization now that is is more of the organization that does things right as opposed to the way it was yeah in the past which is basically an organization that did everything wrong paying one of your best players even if it's a little more than you wanted it's like okay let's say the deal comes in at 30 million okay fine so you want it to pay 29 all right so you you overpay a little bit for one of your good players, that's fine. I'm really curious to see what the fan base actually ends up thinking about Terry McClureen because, like, it got a little not great.

Yeah. I think the fans were kind of a little out on him, like some of the anthics, and he did what he needed to do to get paid, and I think he should have done that. But the fans felt some sort of way about Terry McLaurin during this whole process. I'm curious to where that goes. Yeah, definitely. No matter what, when it's a big, you know, team or a big. big contract, fans are going to feel

the way they feel during it, but I feel like now that it's done, it's done. You know, like fans of a team, sure, maybe in the moment when things are getting released of him talking on the sideline during practice and not actually practicing, but because of who Terry is too, like for Washington,

you know, you just mentioned how it used to be, everything used to be done terribly and Terry lived through that and now he's, you know, on the good team. And I feel like we've said all these things for you know, the last four months with Terry, but it is true. You know, he went through the shit, they finally got a quarterback, they got good, he wants

to get paid. To your understanding, what was kind of like, did they ever get a best offer, like a damn near an offer that they were going to? From another team? Yeah, yeah, to trade them. Like, was it ever close? Were they ever, like, tempted with the team? And then I'm assuming you don't know, but should I just, or should we start looking at

contracts like this similar to how like Trey Hendrickson's is, where, you? Sure, he signs a three-year extension. It's great. But in two years, there's going to be no money in his last year, and then we're going to do this again? Yeah, I mean, I would say, like, there's a reason that players want it front-loaded. Now, like, Terry McCoyer,

this is probably the last contract he signs. So, like, this is a good one for him. It's three years. My guess is he probably wanted a little less, maybe he wanted two years to have another up. But, like, three years is fine. He's going to finish his career with the commanders, probably. But, yeah, I mean, like, when, you know,

if you're a really good player, Like, teams often do not want to give players third contracts. That is when you decide, like, are we're going to move on or not. If you are good enough to get a third contract, sometimes this fight happens. One helmet guy. I mean, right. And, like, T.J. did it. The Steelers took care of him.

Trey Henderson is still going through it, and we'll talk about that. But, like, to get the real money, the guaranteed money for a third contract, it's like lightning has to strike. And sometimes you've got to be the guy who shows up at the car dealership and talks to reporters and says, I'm disappointed in the team. Oh no, what do we got? What are we got? No, I'm just looking at the contract details

that are being texted me because everyone wants to know, like, what are the real numbers? Yeah, the guarantee. Yeah, the guarantee, and then just like, what's the base? Like, how much does he actually get? But, like, to get a third contract, you've got to go through this, and I think it sucks and it's too bad, and you've got to be willing to withstand a lot.

It's not for everyone. Some guys signed, like, Trey Henderson could have signed. with the Bengals and gotten a deal that would have given him a huge bump this year and not a lot guaranteed after and he wants more. And to do that, he's got to be willing to take the franchise like getting frustrated and the fan base getting frustrated with him. And it's not for everyone, but that's why there's only a couple of these.

Yeah, well, and you kind of just laid it out perfectly there too about why fan bases get angry is because people like you say, he was offered a huge bump, but he wants more. It's like that, you're the problem. I just actually saw it. I got it. face to face but that that's the other thing too is that like the players especially a guy like tri and terry mcclorn who weren't drafted really high in no you know one how difficult is to succeed but two the likelihood of people who are drafted in the third and fourth round getting their

third contract in the NFL i'm sure it's not that high especially at that amount of money but like when you're a player in the NFL if you don't you know staying up for what you want guess what you don't get it yeah so so what else are the guys supposed to do. And when it comes to the fans, like, you know, we'll see what happens with the Trey Hendrickson situation. But, like, you know, if anyone is upset about Terry McLaurin now, like, they're not going to give a shit week one when he has 100 yards and a touchdown. And it's the same thing with Trey Hendrickson. So it's like, if you're not willing to kind of take a little bit of heat in the middle of the summer when there's nothing else

to talk about and it's just like, oh, this guy's beat. Because that stuff always comes around. And we always hear the two sides of the story. And as long as those guys end up performing on the field, which everyone expects them to do. because they're two of the best players in their respective positions, then sometimes you have to do this kind of stuff to get a little bit more money. Yeah, usually I feel like fans only hate the player when they're offered basically the same deal and, you know, they still force their way out.

Like if Trey Henderson ends up getting traded and signs like a two-year deal with a bunch of money in this year and not much money next year, then Cincinnati fans will hate him. And like that's when, you know, people take it as a shot. Like I'm assuming Cincinnati fans, if that were to happen, they would take it as a shot towards like the city itself versus the front office that Trey Hendrickson's been dealing with but yeah it's just nice one of these situations is done honestly because we've been talking about Terry Mike and Trey for you know since the draft so it's

it's nice that one one of them finally has a green check next to it I mean I'm happy with you know when these situations happens you end up calling the same people over and over and getting no response and it's like finally then it happens it's like a big thing and then you're like all right yeah what do we do now Terry McCorm was one of the best players to come from Ohio State in quite a while one of the

also best players to come from Ohio State one of the greatest football players who ever lived a tackling machine star for the Green Bay Packers and good friend of ours is also joining us today AJ Hawke Yay Hoggle

What's up AJ? What's going on there man I appreciate but one question I have for Terry McLaurin what do you think the numbers looked like, say, four weeks ago compared to now, like, is there a ton of movement when you have these, these situations? Probably not. And, you know, I think what basically happens is, and, you know, I would say this is similar to the Trey Hendrickson situation is, team gets to a point where they're like, this is around where we'll be.

So, like, you know, either take it now or we're just going to spend the next several weeks arguing over a little bit. And what you end up doing is you say, let's just argue. And so, you know, like the Trey Henderson deal, the, you know, he's going to get a probably double or something like that this year and then more money into the next two years. And the argument is over guaranteed money, not overall base. And so that's that argument. That's kind of why they're taking their time and not there yet, if they end up even getting there. For the McLaurin, my guess is it was more like he wanted to get close to $33 million from D.K. Metcalfe. How can we kind of help you get there without guaranteeing.

without guaranteeing, you know, what we didn't want to do. Like, how can we help you and not take money away from us, right? And so what they did was probably up the incentives and say, if you earn it, you are able to make $32 million. Like, that's kind of how they bridge the gap. And, you know, the numbers come out like they come out. We're all talking about $96 million. And then, and I do this too.

So this is not like, I do this too. And then the real numbers will come out. we'll be like, oh, by the way, here's the base. But, you know, if you're McLaurin, you say, like, I'm worth $32 million, there's nothing wrong with the commanders going like, okay, go earn it. Like, for us, but go earn it. What's that guarantee going to look like here on this one, rap sheet? Like, what's the range?

I mean, I would imagine it's going to be more than half. Like, probably what this is, is he's guaranteed this year, which he was obviously already going to play this year, guaranteed next year, and then a little bit guaranteed the following year. So what this probably does is, lock. McClorin in for at least 2026 which is some security and probably 2027 at that point he'll be like 33 years old and then they'll have to pay the quarterback yeah and like you guys hit out like this is why you do the you do these deals now you pay as much money and this is why you can pay

bobby wagner like 12 million dollars most teams don't have 12 million dollars for a off the ball lineback who's a veteran great leader but when you have Jane Daniels on a rookie deal, you can do that. Erskine is a tackling machine, rap sheet. He's an absolute tackling machine, though. Don't, you can't, don't be slandering him in the middle of there. I guys been doing it forever, Bobby Wagner. AJ, if there's one thing that the people know that I love, it's tackling machines.

Now, you are my favorite tackling machine? That's you, age. You're my favorite crew person. What? Yes. You're rower. Oh, yeah. You're a grower.

Yeah, it's one of the nicest of America. Roeers. We did have some other breaking news over the course, the weekend, by the way. And I think of all the things that happen, this was probably the most important. AJ, specifically, I want to get your take on this. Pat McAfee, our esteemed host, who is right now in parts unknown, was honored over the weekend in the West Virginia Sports Hall of Fame. Congratulations, Pat. Hell yeah.

Hey, Jay, you know him well. You've seen his exploits on the college field and on the professional football domain. What are your immediate thoughts about this honor for our friend? I mean, I think he's well-deserved. I mean, I don't know when he became eligible for this, but he should have got it right away. I mean, go back and look at Pat's stats and what he did in college. It's unbelievable to think about the punter is an absolute weapon.

I've said all the time, Jim Tressel used to always say punt is the most important play in football. And I ended up buying into it, man. I understood what you can do, like, when it comes to field positioning and everything about the punt game. But I think it's awesome. Rich Rod, his old guy is back here. It's pretty cool. Bill Stewart going in as well. It's an awesome thing. It's going to be a great weekend for him.

Yeah, it'll be sweet. I wonder, to your point, too, about how long it took to put them in. Like, how many all-time-leaning scores aren't immediately put into their schools' Hall of Fame? It is so sweet to see. Like, I don't really know, you know, or I didn't know Pat as a football player, to be completely honest, whether it's the Colts or the Mountaineers? No, not at all. I really just, I mean, he played for the Colts, and I was a Patriots fan.

with the Colts and then, you know, at West Virginia, I was damn near too young while he was there. So seeing all the old clips come back up are really sweet, like having some of the, like he still has a Fiesta Bowl record for longest punts, all that. Like that, that'll probably last forever. I'm assuming he probably would want to say retire five, retire Pat White as well. Typically, I feel like that is kind of a go-to, but I'm so pumped for him, especially with Bill Stewart. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, being able to go in with a guy who, you know, coached him and obviously passed away early. That's really sweet. Yeah, because it's not like the pro football Hall of Fame. I assume these guys can get, like we see plenty of people who are still in college get their numbers inducted

like in their last home game or whatever. So I don't know, AJ, are you in the Ohio State Hall of Fame? Yeah, I don't know. I went in I believe right before COVID, I think. Congratulations. Dude, that's awesome. Do you have to give a speech? Is Pack can give a speech? Do we know? Is there a thing?

I mean, I'm sure there's a speech somewhere. I don't know if you get, I know we didn't give a speech. They announced like all four or five of you at the, like during a timeout or during half time of the game. Well, did you go in with like other football players or was it just two and then like same set up as past? Nuge. Nuge. So it's cool. I grew up with them, play with him in college too.

So yeah, that was pretty awesome. That's cool. Yeah. I'm happy with Pat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's actually, so I got my son, Jude is here hanging with me. Dude, the dude. Shout out, Jude. Hi, Jude. Hey, Jude. He'll be making an appearance in a little bit after we talk about some real stuff. But he was asking about Pat and, like, how good he was. And it's, like, you have to be, like, he was really good.

Like, I know Pete, like, he's obviously very good in this arena. But, like, he was good. Yeah. And, like, for us football dorks, like, the kind of guy you root for, like, you know? It's hard because a lot of football fans, like, you don't, like, it's hard to kind of, like, just watch a kicker or punter and be like, oh, that kicker, it's easy because if it's going through or whatever. But punter, you don't know.

But, like, when he retired, he was widely known as like, hey, the top punter is currently retiring right now, which is why it was so wild at the time. But no, as someone who was from that area and has a ton of people, friends and everything, who did go to W during that time, very, very well deserved because, like, Pat Whye was awesome. Steve Slate was awesome.

But, you know, there was a lot of punting and a lot of points that had to come off of that. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. He kind of flipped the narrative, too, for punters, because I can't, who was it that Sean Taylor damn near killed in the pro Hoska. Oh no, no, sorry.

Like Brian Norton. And like that was like the, that was the whole thing with punters is like, hey, the only time you see it, you know, Philadelphia is Jeff Fiegel's getting earhold like stuff like that. And then you see Pat's hit on Trenton Holiday, which is still like viral used all the time and like some of his hits in college. So I think he did a lot, you know, to change kind of the narrative like, hey, these guys aren't just sitting ducks out there who are, you know, going to get their heads

taken off every time they're on the field. Well, and also, like, you know, and I don't know how long we want to go down this rabbit hole, but, like, it's okay to celebrate. It's okay to be happy. It's okay to be demonstrative. Like, I think for me, like, obviously, again, he was very good, but the, like, can you let this guy's personality show a little bit?

And that's okay. And, like, now in the NFL, it's embraced, but, like... Is it? I saw a lot of flags this weekend of people just doing normal stuff, and it feels like there's going to be an emphasis on that. even going to do it. That is a point of that. You can't. You can do it. No, I can't. I don't want to get fined. Yeah, sports can't find you.

I assume there's an official somewhere. That'd be cool. The nose wipe is now... Are you brandishing the fake weapons? I know they can't do that anymore. No, no. He's doing drugs, first out. Is that what that is? I thought it was... I have no idea. I'm just assuming that's what they... I thought was just a cool way to signal first now. I thought I was

oh, shoot, I just dummy your ass, bitch. I got to wipe my nose. What are you talking about? What? See, like, I'm I'm worried there's going to be a fan. running here one day and just throw a green dildo right on stage and what are we going to do? We're going to do nothing.

Because it happened at the PGA tour this weekend. It happened on an NFL field this weekend, I believe, or maybe it's college football. Well, it's running rampant right now, so you better watch yourself. I do appreciate the guerrilla marketing aspect of it for whatever. Well, the WMBA put up nets around the court so it's not happening there anymore.

Yeah. Playing baseball stadiums now. I mean, I'm against it. You should definitely not do it. Sure. Player safety. Player safety.

Like that could, that could hurt someone. Things are heavy. The fact that you had, is that actually, did they actually put nuts up or you guys make a fun of me? Yeah,

have you been to a baseball game? I've been to a baseball game. Where the nets are down the first base and they just did that for the whole court. He's messing. He's joking. See, last time I thought you guys were joking. It's a joke, they said.

But it might have been serious. No one should be hit with that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's, yeah. Yeah, it's not really. Did you watch the Cowboys documentary? I did. Pretty good.

Jerry Jones basically confirmed through the documentary like, hey, I ain't paying this guy, by the way. That's how I took it at least. There was no news on that this weekend, was there? No, not really. I mean, the Micah stuff, we get to the Micah stuff in one second. Okay. The Cowboys documentary, for those who have not seen it,

it was so good. It was so interesting. And it gave a portrait of Jerry Jones, not just like as the, you know, the guy who messes up the team, like all the fans. Like, this was a maverick. Like walking across the field with Phil Knight after striking a Nike deal, which was like, would blow everyone's mind. While the NFL is with Reebok. Right. While the NFL is with Reebok on, I think, Monday Night Football, right?

Like selling Pepsi is right in the stadium when everyone else is. Like, these are things that's, like, suing each other. Like, I kind of knew this. But like, I didn't. I didn't fully, I wasn't fully aware of, like, I definitely learned some things watching this doc. Yeah. And I also learned a little bit about the Micah situation, which, you know, for those who don't know, this past weekend, Micah Parsons was caught, not napping, right?

No, you're taking a break. Stretching. He's got a back ailment that he's been battling, which is why he's not been on the field. He had to stretch his back on the training table. And it was caught in 4K, as they say. And then he, you know, was defended by, is that Mike Leslie, one of the local reporters? Mike, appreciating the media is not taking this out of context, which I appreciate the media too. But that was a lot of show, I mean, that was a, that was a lot to show the public in a midst of a contract stare down.

Like, he knew he was going to be on T for that. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. And then, yeah, this thing. Eat shows. Yeah. And someone said, like, you know, come to Atlanta and he does the, you know, call sign basically, like call, you know, Jerry or whatever.

Stadium chose. Yeah, stadium shows. To your point about, you know, just Jerry in general not knowing his entire story, I also didn't, like, knew he got sued, no idea why or what that situation was about. And then just learning about basically what today's NFL is, you know, off the field, like business-wise, is just it was all Jerry Jones. It's funny watching the kingdom because you learn so much about the history of the NFL when it comes to the actual football, like with Lamar Hunt and what he changed when it comes to like the field goal post and everything. And then watching this is so interesting because Jerry basically created the NFL's business. There's a story he talks about when, you know, he's getting during the lawsuit during the owner's meetings, Jerry gets kicked out of the room because they have to talk about the lawsuit that, you know, Jerry has. against the NFL. This might be my favorite part.

Yeah, and he said he got real emotional. He said he wasn't emotional and then while he stood up and walked out, he started getting super emotional, his eyes welled up and everything. And he just said he turned around and said, you know, look, if you guys win the lawsuit, you can take the team for me. Like, I'm not going to fight you at all. But if I win

the lawsuit, I'm coming back for every fucking penny. And it ended up being like, I don't know, $700 million or something ridiculous, whatever the number was at the time. And it's crazy seeing that, Jerry. Like, we kind of talked about it before a little about how people didn't want them

go back to Arkansas, the JJs, blah, blah, we said that last week. But then, you know, after finishing the doc, the biggest takeaway was he knows what was happening and where everything was going. And I think if I'm a Cowboys fan, the argument is like, yeah, he knew them, but does he know now?

You know, because so much has changed since, you know, the times of the 90s and when he was, you know, taken over. That after watching it, it makes me think, like, there's no way he's going to re-sign Michael Parsons just because of the fuss that was made of it. You look at the parallels with like the trade too, the Herschel

Walker trade, like and a lot of people are pointing that like, hey, maybe he's going to do that now and kind to remake this team just like he did then. But I think, I mean the NFL is way different than when it was when the Cowboys were winning back-to-back Super Bowls, you know, just the entire landscape, everything. But it also was

cool because now Jerry's just like a caricature, you know, like people have all these stories and like when you go back and you get this and you see that, it's like, okay, well you can see all these different pieces that are going in that make the caricature that we see now but obviously, you know, in his heyday and I mean, like, you know, time waits for no man.

You know, like he's getting old. It's just, that's just the way it is. But when he was in his heyday, he was, I mean, he's about as sharp as they come. Yeah. Well, wrap, since you've seen that and then you saw, I'll run it after I ask you this. Okay.

The quote from Jerry with Michael Irvin talking about David Mulligeta in that whole situation. Yeah, let's just run it right now, and then I'll get your thoughts on it. Yeah, we'll come back. When we wanted to send the details to the agent, the agent sold us to stick it up our ass. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, now see, I was trying to show you're clear.

Wait, wait, wait, what do you mean? So, so we, like, what do you mean? People are going to ask. Mike and I called. Mike and I talked. And then we were going to send it over to the agent. And we had our agreements on term, amount. guarantees everything we were going to send it over to the agent and the agent said uh don't bother

because we've got all that to negotiate well i'd already negotiated i'd already moved off my mark over several areas and so the issue very frankly is uh we've had the negotiation in my mind and uh the agent's trying to get his nose in it right now and try to come in there and improve off the mark that we'd already said it's the mama daddy deal you go into mama and she won't do it and she's the boss so but she won't do it so you run into daddy daddy says do it and then you go back in say mama daddy said it was all right so mama daddy deal we've all been there and done that well we've got this thing resolved in my mind for the dallas cowboys and we've got it done and if the agent wants to finish up the detail,

which is should, and do all the paperwork. And he can do that. And we're ready to go. But as far as the amount of money, the years, the guarantees, all of that, we negotiate that. How do you feel about that? I mean, you know all these parties more than we do. Yeah.

First of all, that was amazing. I mean, that was all of the rumors that I was hearing in like, I think it was like March. It's either February or March, early, about, like, you know, Jerry Jones calling in Micah. Micah thinking he's going to have, like, a regular conversation, just about, like, leadership and the organization. Jerry's in there, and he really starts trying to, like, negotiate this deal, and Micah's talking back and forth, like, not negotiating in his mind, but just talking about what it might take, and then they leave, and Micah's, like, call my agent, and Jerry's like, okay, but we just did this deal. Like, there's not a lot of precedent for this. I mean, the Cowboys have gone to players

and, you know, talk to them about contracts, but, like, to think that they were literally doing the deal with Micah and then the agent just, like, gets the sign off on the final language, like, it's almost unfathomable to me. And I would say this, like, the clip, the headline that everyone's running is where Jerry says, you know, the agent said, you know, stick it up your ass or whatever it was. Like, that's not really what he said. Yeah.

At all. Like, you know, the better part of the, you know, the better part of the, this is being like, you know, them talking to the agent and being, okay, let's get started. And Jerry's like, well, what do you mean get started? We're already done. Like, if you wonder why there's a disconnect, like this is why, because one side thinks that they're done and the other side thinks they haven't started. Like, how do you, how do you bridge that? And like, you know, AJ, you did one of these like big time negotiations. Like, you obviously, like, like, how did players deal with this in the locker room when like the owner or whoever goes to?

to the player and tries to do a deal? I don't know. Has this ever, like, when does this ever happen to where an owner and a player directly actually come together and hammer out all the details on a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract? Like, does that happen? I don't know. Yeah, like, what you're saying is it's going straight to your agent?

Is that what you're saying it? Yeah, I'm saying that, yeah, normally, like, guys can be involved for sure. But it's never, like, as far as I have known, and people I've talked to and been around the league, I don't know any player that's just gone up to the owner's office, wherever they were. I was in Green Bay for nine years, so they didn't have an owner a little bit different there, but just goes up there and works it out one-on-one. We know there's guys that don't, like, will sign,

and they won't have an agent, but a lot of them still have lawyers, obviously look over the contract, make sure everything is situated. You pay them hourly, it's a lot cheaper than paying them two and a half or three percent. We know that. But, like, to think, hey, okay,

how many conversations was this between Jerry and Micah to where Jerry says, we got everything hammered out? Like, was it one conversation? One conversation? One, yeah. It's amazing. Like, so Mike would probably walk, that thing. That was fun. That was cool.

And then Jerry said, we got a deal. I mean, and I think from my understanding of this, like, I'm sure the, not I'm sure, I know that the Cowboys would have paid him a lot. And I assume any starting point for a deal is like highest paid non-quarterback. That's what came out this weekend, right? That's kind of

what Jerry said, right? Yeah. Right. Yeah. And that's right. And so that's all true. But what the Cowboys have wanted to do is lock players up to long deals. Like remember, Tyrant Smith did like a, I think it was like an eight-year, year 10, whatever it was, and like, what agents want. Like, this was the argument with CD Lamb, this was the argument with DAC, is they want fewer years because they want another bite at the apple because they know, as we learn

with Terry McCorren, as we were learning with Trahendrickson, that third contract is hard. And so you want to get there sooner rather than later because you want to be still in your prime. So, like, if you're David Mulligetter, like, you'd like a three-year deal. You'd like a four-year deal. Like, you're going to get the APY up anyway. You'd like, you know, an earlier chance at the apple. And if you're the Cowboys, like, you want, like, eight years.

So that's my understanding. Like, the Cowboys thought this was the long-term thing. And then, you know, Agent David Mulligeta was like, hold on, what? We would never have agreed to that. Go ahead. Yeah. So, like, to AJ's question, where Molligetz gets involved, for a situation, and, you know, this is the highest paid.

So it is the most, you know, money going to one player. So it's going to be a massive contract. no matter what, but for, you know, kind of comparatively, like Lamar Jackson, for instance. Lamar doesn't have an agent, anything like that. When he's getting his contract done, is that Lamar, you know, his mother in the owner, in the GM? Like, how did that work? Is that kind of the setup? Four than one conversation, I can promise you that. Yeah, yeah. No matter what it did, it was more than one phone call or one sit down, I'm sure.

Right, definitely more than one. And some do it differently. Like when, you know, with Lamar, I think it was, it was some in person. I think there was some email communications because like if you're a player and you're like Lamar's not a trained agent, neither is his mom. I know there's some advisors who have helped them. But you know, not a trained agent. Like a lot of times you want to make sure it is perfect. So you email it to like make sure that the language is right. And I think when Laramie Tunsell did his deal. St. Omni. Yeah. Yep. Who, you know, is emerging from the shadows. Yes. Interesting. My guy.

totally is a real person he's a real person yeah we saw yeah you you meet him no we saw brief glimpse in the background of it you sure that was him i mean that that was the gimmick laramie tonsill seemed to be swinging on the on the program that one day yeah okay well tonsill did his on email just to make sure that like everything was buttoned up as it should be but like one of the weird thing about when you do a contract yourself is that let's say it's Lamar like the Ravens can't kill Lamar on a contract. Like, it doesn't help them. He's their starting quarterback.

Like, if they do some great deal for them, that's bad for him, he's going to be mad. And then it's like, why did you take advantage of me? So it's almost like the team is incentivized to do a fair deal because the player's the agent, and you've got to be fair to the player who's also, like, it's playing dual roles here. Whereas, like, if an agent's involved, like the commanders doing this Terry McLauran deal, they can get mad at Buddy Baker. I'm sure they're mad at Buddy Baker. And then McCoran walks in, it's like, let's hug.

Yeah. Love you, man. Yeah, always wanted to get this done, like, super happy. You know, it's like, that's, it's... That's what agents are for. That's what agents are for. Well, then in this situation specifically, like, what can... Because it sounds like Jerry's not going to meet with Mulligato.

Like, he's not interested in that at all. They've had a very public war of words back and forth. I'm sure they both kind of, you know, I don't want to say hate each other's guts, but, like, Jerry doesn't seem interested in that at all. So, like, what is the next step? How do you get past that? Like when you said, one side thinks this thing's done, ironclad, he just needs to sign, and Mike aside's like,

nah, we haven't even started yet. Like, that in a vacuum seems like, well, this is never going to get done then. You know, it's funny about all this. And, like, I always enjoy coming, hanging out with you guys. But one of the cool things is that you're forced to talk about these issues in, like, deep ways that, like, in 30-second bites on TV shows you don't really get to, this situation is even more bizarre than I appreciate it. Like to talk about it like this, where one side thinks they're done

and the other side thinks you haven't get started, like, I don't know. Jerry said that conversation happened in March, right? Yes. So that's a long time ago, and that market changed dramatically with huge guys signing big deals. So there's no way Jerry in his mind can think that that conversation they had then is still in play at this point, right? like how can he how could you possibly think that that's what they shook Haynes that's what probably

pisses Jerry off the most is that I mean him and micah might have had that conversation and then to next point that night like max cross he might have gotten 95 million dollars guaranteed in his extension like there's so many different things that could have changed and if you're micah the one takeaway too as from his side of things from this cowboy's doc is the whole emitt smith holdout you know we were tied about before the show I couldn't believe that I had no, again, another one of those things where you just didn't know that this was happening. Shit, I don't even know if I was born yet, but Emmett Smith holds out for three, four,

five weeks, whatever the hell it was, and the Cowboys were like one in five. And then it was 0 and 2, right? O and 2, yeah. It felt like, but I remember it was like dramatic. And so like. Very dramatic. This part of the doc is like, hey, without Emmett Smith, this team sucks is basically how it was being poised.

I mean, the backup running back fumbles twice. And I'm like, that's when somebody, I forget if that guy got cut on the spot, but I forget which part that was. But if you're Michael Parsons and you see that, then all you think is like, shit, I just got to wait a couple weeks. This defense without me is, they're not screwed, but they're not going to be as good. If I wait two weeks and we give up, you know, four touchdowns in a game, I'm going to get more than what I asked for. Right. Well, how about this? You guys have been locked in on preseason games, right?

Of course. How's the bag goes defense looking? Not good. They give a 40 again. again again yeah 41 to the Colts Riley Leonard was dicing him up Jason Bean was dicing him up sorry I was just gonna say I mean you know

it's not all doom and gloom though they picked off Sam Hartman a couple times a few weeks ago his hair is amazing yeah you know he's a male model yeah every time that they have a picture of him and they have his helmet on I'm like what are we doing missed opportunity you're saying he should play without a home his hair is unbelievable

maybe the best hair in the end he does have fantastic Why did you bring up their defense just because you wanted us to say that they gave it for you again this week? No, because I think they would be better if they had trained. Oh, Trey, probably. So, like, this is sort of the point, right? Like, you're the Bengals. You're looking, I mean, AJ, you, I know you've seen this, right? You know how good Trey Henderson is.

Do you think that he's watching that defense and going, imagine what it would be with, like, this is good news for him, right? I mean, isn't this sort of why you do this? It's kind of leverage. He knows he kind of have leverage when, of course, you lead the NFL in satch. You've been killing it the last, what, however many years. And the defense that you play for is, you know, has not played very well, obviously last year and then into the preseason. Yeah, it's like an Emmett Smith thing.

Let's say they come out first couple games and they get rocked and give up 48 points, and they get no pressure on the QB. Guess what? Trey Hendrickson, yeah, man, we really could use this guy, of course. That's what your leverage is, like the production that you can offer the team. Yeah, but that's the other thing about this situation is that we talked to all last year about how the Bengals can't bring back T. Higgins and Jemar Chase because if they do that, then their defense is going to suck and they're not going to have enough money for Trey Hendrickson.

And then they did that. And now we're in the situation where it does sting, but they just don't, they don't have, you know, enough to go around. The real problem with the Trey Hendrick's situation is that he has been too nice. They do have enough to go around. Yeah, of course. Because this year's number is going to be high. It's going to be double this year. It's the next year's number, which I would.

say like you can worry about that next year but go ahead no no but i mean that's the salary cap gymnastics if they want to make it work they they can make it work but instead they've just decided not to and this situation would have been you know done i feel like it would have been over now if trey hendrickson took a harder stance to be honest and granted maybe they just say like nope you'll have to just sit out the entire year and forfeit the year or maybe they probably just trade them which i would have assumed but he's let them walk all over him too many times Yeah, and I want, like, he's obviously an unbelievable player, one of the best pass rushers in the NFL, but, like, does he make them 27 points better on defense? Like, if they bring him back and he gets a new deal and he's happy, like, is it they're giving up 13 points instead of 40?

Like, I don't know if you could make that argument. So if there is any sort of bad blood still looming, like, maybe it is like you have a hard, introspective look. And it's like, hey, even if we do re-sign this guy, like, our defense sucks. And he's not going to make a huge deal. you're not doing that because you have Joe Burrow and you have those two guys and you think if you can get marginally better on defense, then you can have a chance to go deep in the playoffs.

But like it is interesting that that feels like more of a standstill than Micah or anything. Like there's just no new news on this. Like it just makes no sense. I mean, I just like let's say the Micah deal. Okay.

At some point you would think like Jerry Jones and Dak Prescott did a deal the freaking morning of the season. Like two hours for a kickoff, DAC does a deal. And I was, I knew for a fact, I would have sworn that the DAC deal was not getting done.

I had a story written the night before about a dad, it was the whole long story. Huge waste of time. 600 words. Me and Pelliserra were working on it. 600, you're crying about 600 words. It was so many words. That's not that many words.

No, not at all. It was a long story. Was that page? Yeah, double space. slim down margins. Yeah, if it's like Times New Roman, it's like this much. Yeah. What's the one we used to use for?

Helvetica. Wingdings? Ariel, I remember, being the big one. Ariel was the one when you had to write like a five-page paper. Yes. Right. Yeah. Size 14 periods.

Yeah. Right. I had a whole story written that Dag Prescott was going to be the biggest for age in NFL history. I knew a deal wasn't getting done. I just couldn't get anyone to be like, yes, we are done. because the Cowboys kind of kept talking and then just like Sunday morning the deal popped. And so like

maybe that happens with the Micah deal. Maybe they wake up and they go like let's just figure out to get our best player on the field because like I don't know that it's that hard to do. Can I ask you a question with Trey and Micah? Are their teams reaching out about trades?

Yes, there are teams. Both teams. Who? I mean, you know, we talked about the Packers. I mean, there's They're both listening. I saw some Raiders. I don't get the sense. Are those Raiders' rumors?

Potentially true about Trey? I don't know. I don't know where I saw him. I just saw him on the internet this weekend. So I think the Raiders do need some edge help. I know that. But, you know, it'll be more like the trades we saw like last night. And, you know, it would be like.

Yeah, those are huge. A guy who you've never heard of, you know, for, I mean, at least, you know, Sam Howell gets traded, like, we've heard of him, you know. Coralack. But it's like, you know, are the. are the Raiders in a position where they're going to give up a really good player and a premium draft pick for a player who, like, is he going to take them to the playoffs? Well, is that going to be the price no matter what?

They're not going to change. They're not going to come off that. You know, this is the problem right there. It's like, I know for sure that's the price. Yes. But then one if a team goes, instead of that, we're going to give you a pretty good player, like a starter who's good, and then a third rounder next year. Is that enough?

and it saves you all this money but like you got Joe Burrow you know the Cowboys deal is different like Micah's if you're trading for Micah it's going to be all the Piss Hall yeah yeah it'll be the Herschel Walker Just with Trey yeah 25 years old versus 30 whatever

Right Tray it's like You know they don't The Bengals do not want to trade him I know that for sure But so like I think the stance They like jerking him around too much Yeah they like screwing with him Yeah, just treating him like shit

And still comes back He's so good Yeah he's a lot loyal, loyal dog. And that's exactly why. This is the curse of Joe Burrow, though. It's like you have a chance to win the Super Bowl every year. So how could you trade one of your best players?

Yeah, it's a good point. I mean, Trey's just like Terry. I'm sure there's a bunch of teams I want them. What you said about the DAC contract, though, like how Sunday morning they wake up and then all of a sudden there's a contract done. Yeah. Like that sounds more like the Jerry Jones handshake. Let's figure this out at the end versus the, you know, at the beginning with Micah.

Because, like, I'm assuming if you thought that he was going to be the biggest free agent ever, that the agent was probably done. And then Jerry was like, hey, Dak, let's figure this out. And then one of those classic, you know, handshake deals. Like, I wonder if you kept digging on that, if that is probably how that got done is one of his, like, patented handshake deals. And then I wonder if he said that to Micah in their meeting in March or whatever where he was like, hey, this is how me and Dak did it. And then he laid out what they did. And then during that explanation is when he said. said, this is what I want to do for you.

And then Mike is thinking about, you know, whatever nachos or whatever he's going to get from the stadiums right after this conversation. And Jerry, to AJ's point, is like, holy shit, we just signed Micah. But there's just a massive disconnect there. And it just, it's crazy that that happened in March. If you told me that happened in March, I'd tell you you're full of shit. I would have thought that happened two weeks ago. That's crazy.

Yeah, because the idea that, you know, we made him an offer to be the highest paid defensive player ever. four different defensive player contracts. If that was March, Miles Garrett gets done, was it the day before Free Agency, right? Something like that. It was like, TJ's was not too long after. Max was right there, because the Miles

one was right after Radio Row, because he was going around Radio Row saying like, Cleveland sucks, I want to, I don't want to just go to Canton, I want to win a Super Bowl. And that whole entire thing happened. And then, you know, it got done right out. And then Max was right then too. I can't, AJ, could you imagine, I'm sure you

never done this. I'm sure you've never had this, but a player signs a massive contract extension right before kickoff. I mean, does that not seem purely insane? Yeah, I mean, it does, but why? Like, it shouldn't now. Like, you could do it. I think guys could do it, especially if you're an outside rusher. Yeah, cool. Let's go play on third down here. We'll get 25 snaps and maybe two sacks in a cost fumble and in the crowd and everyone says, oh, I'm glad he, I'm, his whole dot, what's completely forgotten about because this guy's an impact player and wins his game. Yeah, that's probably right. And that's all that matters. but that's why everybody wants these guys, though.

Is there a chance they don't play rap sheet? Like, let's say it's week four of the NFL season. Is there a chance that Trey and Micah still have not sued up for any team? There is a chance, yes. And with like, with Micah, like, you know, both these guys, I mean, you guys have talked to Trey more than I have, right? Like, he is a principal dude who is very serious about the situation. And I would say Micah is the same.

Like, these are two smart guys who care greatly, who are very invested in their own contract situations. So, like, I did not think that Terry McLaurin was going to sit out. Like, once he started ramping up, and we talked about this last week, I was like, all right, like, they're getting a deal done, and he's getting ready to play. And, like, we have not seen that with these guys. Like, so could I see them sitting out games?

Like, you know, normally I'd beg, ah, players aren't going to give up the money. Like, Mike is back. It might be tight. Might continue to hurt. He's going to get a big hundred. eventually. He's going to get a big contract eventually. I don't know that he puts himself at harm's

way without it. I said this last week though, $25 million is a lot of money this year when he's been playing on a rookie contract. I think this year he's due... Oh, that's just fifth year. Yeah, this year is due to make more than he has his entire career, I think. Yeah, more than like by a lot, I think, too. Because I think it's been like four or five million a year if I remember correctly looking at it. But this is the deal. So like let's say like

we're all talking about this, right? And it's like obviously fascinating. We've been talking about it for two months. And these of all, the Terry McCorn one has been interesting, but like, to me, these are the ones that are kind of more of the meat, right? Like, you got the Bengals who do not want to trade, Trey Hendrickson, but would do it for a price that would hurt another team's soul. Like, if you're a good team, you're going to trade like a starting player and a pretty good draft pick next year to get this really good player. Like, it's going to have to hurt in order to trade for him. And if you're someone trading,

for Michael, like, you're going to give all the draft picks. The problem with the Cowboys is, like, first-year head coach, pretty good roster. Like, they should win. They should be playoff bound. Like, if you trade your best player, does it just ruin the season? I think that's the problem for the Cowboys. That's good question. Yeah, and that's what sucks with their thought, too, is, like, the conversation around

the Cowboys is that they are going to be good. Like, you just said it right there, too. Like, people do are very high on the Cowboys, and they went out and they grabbed George Pickens and they made, you know, their team better. And now... Sounds like Piggins has looked. Yeah. Incredible.

He's very good. Yeah. Yeah, he's so good. And now he's playing with C.D. Lam will only be better. But the Micah thing is just completely ruined the cowboy. I mean, the Cowboys could have the second coming of Brady. And I wouldn't know because this Micah Parsons thing has been going on for so long. It's crazy.

I mean, that's like, I thought about that. So, like, I was at when I was at their training camp, I was there, and they played the Rams. You know, practicing with the Rams. So it was like, my mom. And then Stafford, and I was dealing with the Stafford, like, what is going on with his back injury? And, like, if I say the word disc on TV, make sure I say it properly. Sure. I've all been there.

And you're not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. I do play one on TV. Nice. But, yes, his aggravated disc. And, like, meanwhile. Dugie Hauser is another one that comes up in conversation in the family, because I'm, like, having to explain to my kids that there was really a show of a 13-year-old doctor.

like, yeah, this could happen. Yeah, it was a great show. I mean, they remade it. They called, like, the good doctor. Wow. I saw the good doctor. It was like a kid. Yeah.

A little different. I thought the good doctor was just like a little 15-year-old jeans. I was explained you after. Okay. Yeah. It was very well active. It was, there was some other things going on there. He was an autistic doctor. Oh, the good doctor.

Okay. Doogie was just ahead of his time. Just so smart for 13. The good doctor. It was a great show. It was. I'm watching the pit now, by the way. So good.

Boy, you got strap in for that one, though. I'm not watching that. Actually, I don't know. No while of ER fame. Yes, yes. I mean, he's... Season two's coming out in January. Mr. Ah, who cares, I think, is what Ty said.

Unbelievable. That's good. I was not ready for the emotional toll would take on me. There's a lot of... Where do you watch that? Is that like a streaming service? It's on mocks.

Yeah. It's on mock. Good to know. Just curious. We've kind of, we've talked about this a little bit, and I've always wondered this. As an insider, how do you watch your games on Sunday? What's your setup like?

Because you obviously got to have eyes on everything. It's a great question. Do you have any suggestions for me? Well, I was just going to say, if you're not doing YouTube TV, you're doing it wrong. Amen. YouTube TV, you know, we've talked about it ad nauseum. It is the best. Every game, every Sunday, all in one place with NFL Sunday ticket.

New users right now could be you rap because I'm getting the feeling that you aren't a YouTube TV guy, which is the wrong decision. Now you're only going to pay $34.50 per month for your first eight months. Way cheaper than any other cable package. I mean, you can go look it up or you can just listen to me because I know I'm right. You can catch your favorite live NFL moments with the most live NFL action all in one place. And we've actually made it easier for you. You know, if you just go ahead and scan that QR code that's up on the screen right there,

you can go ahead and choose the plan that's right for you. So if you're not watching NFL football on YouTube TV, rep. Why don't you go and enhance your game day experience this year and do that it'll be a fool.

I will say that when I go over to a friend's house and they have the quad box what's that? The quad box. They got the quad.

I'm always like all right like now we're in business. Yeah, it's the only option. And now you can customize quad boxes. Bet you didn't know that. You can.

Oh man, I don't want Brown's dolphins right there. Did you get it out of here? No, no. It is a unique feature that has only been introduced by YouTube TV.

They're the goats. They are the goats. I will look into it. Now, I miss the, I missed the QR code, so I'll have to go. I'll stand to you. I got a question for you. Foxy put up that graphic of other stuff we haven't talked about. Why are we hearing nothing about that Saints' quarterback battle?

I checked it on that day. Is that why? I think so. What's that? I said, who cares? It's not, I care. I care whether it's Spencer Raoul or Tyler. I love all 32 teams.

It's not true. I would say the fact that it hasn't been obvious is probably a sign that it could go either way which is like not exactly what you want, right? Feels like it's a bad sign for Tyler Shuck, right? Because if you draft a kid in the second round, you're probably thinking like, hey, let's really... You want him to win the job.

Or is there the flip side where, like, hey, we're going to stink this year no matter what, so we might as well throw this guy out there and see what we have because there's a good chance we're going to have like a top five pick next year maybe and maybe we don't want to go quarterback if shucks really good this year they have to see him and i think they will see him but i don't i always go back to and we kind of talked about this with the anthony richardson situation last week you know it's like is it easy like if they have to bench a quarterback it's probably easier to bents ratler yeah

then like start hainer start shook it's not going to be hater sure um start tyler shook and then pull him like that's, does that hurt his development? Good. Does it? Yeah, a thousand percent. It kills his development, but to Ty's point, does it matter? Because the Titans, they took Will Lovis, and then right after they said, like,

we're not hanging on to Will Lovis, right? Guys, we're taking KM Ward, and then they took KM. Ward. I'm really debating betting on one team to go 0 and 17 because I think the Saints might not win. You really think they're that bad? Yeah. You don't? They've been, They've been $80 million under the cap for 10 years.

Over. That's what I mean. You understand. I don't get the over-under in this situation. It's fine. Because if your company goes under, that means you don't have money. Right. But if you go belly up, that insinuates over, not under.

Do football teams go belly up or do they go under? I mean, if you... This debate is irrelevant. My point is it just feels as though the saints. It is doom and gloom. And the whole Kellyn Moore thing, like, I know some people don't believe in Kellyn Moore versus others who think that he is going to be a great head coach. Like there's just a lot of question marks down there.

And outside looking in, should I bet on the same is to go 117? It's so hard to go in 17. I know. It's so hard. It's like if you play spades and you get the thing where like- Bangor, you get a point no matter what. Right. What's the thing where you get zero tricks, right?

Do you guys play spades? We play euchre. Or if you get, yeah. Is that the same? Dele U-Ker. I believe it's similar. Okay. So like, it's hard to have zero tricks.

Yes. You will fall into a random spade or whatever, right? Can't believe Debo's not here for this. Debo's not here for this. Debo loves spades. Does he? Yeah, he taught me how to play spades, actually. That's why I'm bummed out of the role. I played, I was in, I was in that.

AJ's that a bit. What was your locker room game, AJ? Oh, the O-Iman played that one weird. You roll the dice and you move it around. I still don't understand. Catan. Peanuckle or something. Oh, Bogle?

Was it Boggle? No, it's like, I can't think of the name right now. My parents had been a pinnacle growing up, but there was nothing with dice, I don't think. or dudes. Mahjong? What's that one? That's a, that's the Marbles, right?

No, that's the Domino. I thought Marjong was the Chinese. Domino's a big, it's a southeastern Asia game. Where they played a risk? By the way, shout out Chinese Taipei, who I said one week ago today, that they would easily win the College World Series. And did they? Yeah, they did.

The home run king was throwing mid-80s in the game. Yeah, their coach actually went to the mound with two outs left in the whole thing and said, I'm just looking to steal some TV time real quick, guys. The girls in Taiwan are watching. I want to get up here. He actually said that. Are you punking me again? Is this like the net around the thing?

No, no, no. No, no. This actually happened. They have the broadcast from Taipei and it made its way onto X. And it's like you watch the guy walk to the mound and he gets to the mound. And they didn't have translations. So you don't know what he's saying until you read the tweet obviously. But he starts talking.

Then the broadcasters from Taipei start dying laughing. And then you read it. Yeah, it was nice little moment. Tough, tough go for those Nevada boys. Yeah. Boy, they really got killed. They were just outclassed. Well, they burned Gallegos in the U.S. championship.

That's what it takes to beat Fairfield CT, but yeah? Is that what it was? They used their best pitcher to get to the final? Correct. And Chinese Taipei had been beating the hell out of everyone, so the home run king was fully loaded with pitches going into the game. He hits three dudes. Orlofsky is a Fairfield guy, isn't he?

He claims to be? I think he is a Westport guy. Oh, he is. That's right. I believe he's a Westport. Seven-nil. Seven-nil. Could have been worse.

Could have. 0? That's pretty bad. That's pretty bad. That's like, in your life, that's like 49 to nothing. It happens. Rounds are touching. It happens. Yeah, I guess it happens. Well, I missed it. Clearly. I was

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Football! That's what we're going to talk about. Early. It was too early. Early there, Tom. I've done this either four or five times I tried to remember, and I think I've hit it zero. No, no. Last week, one time.

You've hit it every time. You let us breathe. You're just not, you're not hitting a home run every time you ground up to third sometimes. I had a false start there, which is my fault, not yours, even though you didn't give a, but I take, it made me hold my water for quite a bit. It's on three, Tony, on three. Ha-ha! Right, you're like standing there in your stand.

and you're like, how can, like, can we just go? Can we just go? Bingo. Yeah, I want to get up to the ball and I want to fire off. I felt bad about that. Yeah, no, you've hit it, though. It's football season. You've been a solid, solid host. Yeah. God, I appreciate that. No Schreger, but.

No Schreger, but you'll get there one day, you're creeping up. You're creeping up there. I love it. I love it. I love it. Connor, Ty, Tone, hanging out with us. A.J. over there, hanging out with us as well. See, Stregor would never do that. What? What? Just got to mail it in a little bit. Yeah, he just mailed it in a bit.

No. Shreger would never. A little bit. You know the guys who are with us. They're the best. I think the difference is is Shreger, and I'm not saying you should, because you shouldn't.

He somehow respects us, and you do not. Does he? That's interesting. What are you saying? I'm saying that Rapp has a correct read on the situation on the amount of respect that we deserve, and Shreger does not.

And look, Shregard didn't pitch a perfect game. Look, and we're not talking. about like we didn't have you know couple tips for him sure but he he had he had a no no through eight yeah so saying something yeah so something to think about I'm already I already botched that one

no you're sorry don't worry when people ask me and I mean this in the nicest possible when people ask me what it's like to come on the show I say it's like hanging out with Pat and his idiot friends yep and I feel like that's that is the respect yeah so maybe Shreger's wrong and I'm right that's no that's exactly what I said well maybe you're a prick

that's fair that's fair actually you're not allowed to be talking to him because you're a rat if you do oh yeah yeah you know what you're you're so right tony thank you so much i'm offended yeah go ahead my supreme leader mike rable uh hey football coach in new england basically told me through one way or another that uh i should probably start you know taking names yours being at the top of the list because these insiders these rats are getting their cheese up in New England. What's the deal here? Yeah.

There was a report today that Jaylett Pope will have to have season-ended shoulder surgery. Can you add anything to that? No. I don't know. Other than I'd like to find out where some of these come from, you know, some of these rats around here, so we'll figure that out.

Yeah. Yeah, let's just say New England's building is going to look a little cleaner going forward. What's the deal? Which one of your little rat friends? kind of snuck his way and got his cheese up in New England because the Jalen Polk situation was a very, very loud one in New England.

Second round pick last year. It hasn't been exactly what everyone's wanted. And now there's some little rat bitch that you know, probably one of your little rat dogs. I hope so. And he broke some news about Polk. What is this? I appreciate Mike Vrable so much.

Like, and AJ knows this. Like when a coach is talking to the media, What he is really doing is talking to his players and his building. So, like, what do you think the players thought when they saw that? What do you think that all the assistant coaches thought when they saw that? I have thoughts, too, but I want to hear yours, AJ. Like, don't you think they paid attention? They go, I don't want him calling me out like that.

Yes, and they know the next time they have an open locker room situation, and some reporter tries to come over to him and whisper, like, pull them aside. Hey, I'm going to talk to you not like you're in the, group you know like rap sheet knows like with the big time people feel like hey I'm too good to speak to you in a group I need to be one on one with you they'll pull someone one on one and they'll try to say something it's all you know it's us it's me and you yeah we're just you're off the record here we go like those players know it doesn't sound as dorky when I say it just so you know but yes but you know what I mean like these players are on notice like hey I'm not going to be that dude absolutely not but also guess who else is the front office guys all the people in the front office all the equipment the managers, the trainers, like everybody, is kind of on notice. And then you realize that's what the culture is here, and everybody kind of grows with it. But, yeah, it might take a little bit of time, I guess. I mean, I think, so you guys have heard my story about how Vrable kick me out of practice, right?

I believe so, but if you want to get a quick refresh. Did he throw you physically out? This is Tennessee, right? Yeah, when he was in Tennessee, and I was talking to Taylor Luan as he was, like, on the exercise bike coming back from ACL surgery, I think, it was and like I was chatting with Taylor as I walked by and he was just like because like you know he was bored as heck on the stupid bike and just wanted someone to talk to and Vrable sees it and from like all the way over there is

like get out of here Rappaport get out of this practice and like makes his whole deal about kicking me out which I'm like but like what like is this real life like and so I'm kind of like awkwardly move all the way I'm not gonna leave because where would I go I'm in my training camp tour like I'm not gonna go home. So I'm like Walker to stand like all the way in the back and then Willie McGinnis who was with us at the time is like hey man like they just cancel

all of our one-on-ones because you got kicked out of practice I blew it this is so bad and and then he's like hey man Willie he's like you got to apologize and I'm like God like seriously he's like

and you got to like really oh here we go yeah this is it right here and it was so look at for Abel look at his happy face as I tell him, I'm seriously sorry. I can't believe you found this so quickly. And it was so embarrassing. And then later...

He looked big next to Willie. Actually, the angle kind of messes with me there. That was a little bit unfair. That was because otherwise I'm tall, but the angle makes me look short. And then afterward, Vrable's kind of like, he's like, ah, you know, wanted to show the media that they shouldn't talk

to our players during practice. So, you know. And I was like, oh. You're the sacrificial. Yeah. Yeah. Made an example of you. Right.

And I was kind of like, I get it. He knew you could handle it. Right. And also didn't care about my feelings, which is fine. He still doesn't, by the way. Good coaching. I like the guy. But, you know, if you're a new coach and you're trying to set a culture,

and you're trying to help people understand that when information's in this building, like, I don't think this information came from his building. Like, I assume for someone to report whatever that was, it had to check with Jalen Polk's side, his agent, whoever, Like, at least that's what I would do if I had it. But everybody was put on notice. And I think, like, you know, the Patriots have a lot to clean up. And I think they're going to be better. I actually think they could be maybe really good.

Like, I think this was message delivered. Yeah, it's too loud on that front. Now, as a Patriots fan. The expectation front. Yeah. You don't want to hear it. Yeah, exactly. But as a Patriots fan, looking at this was one thing.

But then when you hear, like, Bill Belichick come out and say his entire thing this past weekend about how, you know, hey, it's great coaching in college games, you don't have to deal with an owner and an owner's son. I think a lot of people, and I believe that's the exact quote. I'm not sure if we have we don't have the video I know because we couldn't find it, but yeah, it's a lot of football and

there's not much in your way. There's no owner. Is that really what he said? There's no owner's son. Allegedly that is the exact quote, and we haven't found the video of we couldn't find it, but when stuff like this comes out now, there's obviously no way of Rable's going to say anything about, you know, the owners, and he's not checking the owners when it comes to stuff

like this. But does this happen where, you know, it's not, you know, Vrable is calling people out and definitely there might be people, but would it go as far up as, you know, the owner's son being a leak? I mean, I don't know in New England if that was the case. Like, I don't know that Jonathan Kraft is like whispering stuff to reporters. My guess would be probably not. Or if he does, like, I should get it. Sure. you know not somebody else but i haven't um but like to in order to call out the owner or the owner's son as a coach like you have you better be belichick yes like you and you know and even still you wouldn't do it in front of a microphone you do it in front of closed door behind closed doors be like hey like can you

not like sh you know yeah um i've actually been a little surprised that belichick has been as open about his sort of patriots disdain as he has because he's he is the most disciplined interview and person I've ever met. It's as a reporter I could never get him to say anything I want it like he

says only what he wants all the time he must want this out there. Well I think if like old Bill like if that documentary never comes out on Apple TV where it's basically just six episodes of them slandering him and killing him and saying that

he really wasn't that big of a deal when it comes to the dynasty, and it was all Tom, and Bill actually was the one providing a lot of roadblocks that the team was somehow able to get over. I think he would have probably just let it die, but then that came out, and he was like, oh, okay, I'm not there anymore. Like, I'll kill these guys.

My resume is, you know, bulletproof, so, like, they can say whatever they want, and I can say whatever I want now, too. I mean, that documentary, like, you know, I, I mean, we talked about the Cowboys one the first time. Like, all I do is watch those things. And, like, I thought it was done extremely well, but it was definitely not even. If you were a fan, like, he was a fan of the Patriots. He hated it.

Like, if you're a fan of Cowboys, you love that Cowboys documentary. If you were a fan of the Patriots, you would have been like, this is bullshit. What are we talking about here? Yeah, the Chiefs documentary that's happening now, Kingdom, I think, is what everyone, I liked it. But I think that's what everyone in New England expected the Dynasty documentary to be. and then, you know, I guess it's a little difficult with the Patriots documentary because, like, Brady released his own one the year before, Man in the Arena. Yeah.

If you remember that through ESPN. And that was exactly what everybody thought the dynasty was going to be because Brady's documentary was 10 episodes, you know, the first nine of them go through all nine Super Bowls that he went to in New England and the 10th episode was his last Super Bowl with Tampa. Makes sense. Whereas, you know, that was made. And then a year and a half later, Apple TV, comes out with a documentary and the assumption is this is going to be so much better. It's

Apple TV. Bill is in it. Robert Krafson. It's all these people, all the Randy Moss, Berluski, all the Vrable, all these old players. And then instead of getting that like recap of the dynasty, it was like, hey, we're going to try and explain to you why Bill Belichick wasn't as big of a deal as he was, which, to be fair. I hate the stupid argument. I'm sorry. It's so dumb. Yeah, I just, I hate it. It's like Tom Brady's awesome. I I love Tom Brady, okay? Who doesn't love Tom Brady? But, like, Belichick was intricately involved.

They needed each other. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's... Tom says that, though. Tom doesn't deny that. Yeah. I just hope what it's done with Kansas City that, and I think they will just because Andy Reed is Andy Reed.

Like, I just hope Andy Reid doesn't get killed for never one of the Super Bowl before Pat Mahomes, which he won't because he's an offensive mind. Why is that not... Oh, maybe, yeah, maybe because he's an offensive coach. But, like, Belichick created the offense. Yeah, I mean, again, but people don't, people won't ever think that. And then you do go back and watch those documentaries about how, like, little knowledge Bill would tell the other coaching staff.

And then you wonder why those other coaches who go and be head coaches don't, you know, have as much successes because he even played close to the hands, close to the vest in his own building. I mean, that was one thing. It was so interesting. I remember AJ was talking about the reporters kind of like coming up to the players and being like, hey man, like just me and you. like so I would try to do that early on with some Patriots assistant coaches like when I so covered the Patriots for the Boston Herald for three years and early on you know you try to buddy up to some assistant coaches like hey like you know I know you're like the defensive line coach but like what do you hear about this injury to the tight end or whatever you know

gronk or heranders or whoever it was and it's like oh I don't know like they don't tell me and I was like thought the person was joke it's like they don't tell me like you really just know like you know only what you need to know there and that's that's kind of the way it is in new england you know professionalized right you know what you need you should know like that's all it is they don't i don't know i'm sure bill is like every other coach who's very paranoid doesn't want a player getting picked up and two weeks later you're playing that team you know like when your practice squad guys knows too much info or so yeah uh we have a fun guest coming up uh i want to do something first um as you guys know my son max was here last week my son

Jude is here this week. Jude, can you come say a little really quick? Dude the dude. I'm not going to make him give a speech or anything. He's a young rap port. The tall one, they said. He is a little tall. Dude, say how to the people?

I don't know. Pretty tall. I bet, Jude. I see, Jude. What are you snacking on there? Seriously eating on the show? What are you snacking on? It's okay.

It's like Brad Pitt. Yeah, for Orlovsky, actually. Yeah, a little old. That's fine. You're allowed to eat up the show. Well, that's not true. All right. You have any football?

No, it's not true. Do you have any football knowledge to impart to the people? Football is a sport. It is. Let's go. Who's your favorite fantasy pick this year, Jude? Who do you like? Keep that close to the vest.

I like it. Respect. How about this? How about this? Jude is starting tackle football for the first time. Here we go. Okay. He gets his pants today and his first pad at practice on Thursday.

AJ, what advice do you have from my good friend Jude as he starts tackle football. Keep your head up. Don't break your neck and run and hit as hard as you can. Bingo. He said run running as hard as he can. Yeah, you can't hear. Can't hear me. Say bye to the people. You grab that 55 jersey and you take down the biggest son of a bitch on that field. Yep. There you

go. That's the advice, brother. I'm going to pick 54. There you go. That works too. Goodbye. Get out of here. Say bye. Bye, Jude. One of his favorite players. Do we have our esteemed guest on? We do. Okay. All right. Thank you, Jude, very much for hanging out with us. Glad he did not embarrass

the family, just as Max didn't last week. I would like to welcome back to the show. I'm trying to do a good intro because I think the boys were sad about my bad intro for them. No, no. No, no. Do your thing. We're just here, man. Dan is a respectable human being. Trying to give you some constructive criticism.

Dan Orlovsky joins the show. What's up, Dan? What's going on, guys? Such a nice collared shirts. He's ready to roll. How you doing, man? What's going on? I'm not much fantastic I can't love AJ's advice more to your son who is just about to start tackle the second thing he hit him with was don't break your neck so um it's good rough to keep your head up number one thing keep your head up heads up football remember yeah

I got one I got one he he likes to drop the head AJ and I I tell him all time do you're going get hurt like that he's like what do you mean get her I'm like dude you're going to get hurt like that not the worst thing it's not the worst thing It's not the worst thing that could happen, Dan. It's all right. We can figure that one out. You can figure it out. We'll get his eye there.

Yeah, I have to be honest. Like, I'm a little nervous. I know my wife is not that excited that Judah's playing tackle football. I am beyond excited. Yeah. And I think it's going to be. What is she nervous about rap just because it's football? Does she don't want him to get hurt type of thing?

Yeah, I guess, you know, just injuries. But, like, you know, kids are taught so much better now than I think they ever were. And he wants to play defense. He wants to pick passes off. He's very fast. Hell yeah. It wants to play safety. Hell yeah.

Young Cooper Deschina. Well, Cooper's also a corner. Better come down and fill that alley. Yeah, he jumps past us.

He knows, he might let a pass good over his head, but he also will pick off one as well. He's an aggressive player. He's a high risk, high reward guy. We got any exotic blitz packages for him?

Yeah, little Jewett off the edge blitz draft. Like a little Derwin James or like, Derwin James or Cal Hamilton. Yeah. D.C.'s yelling, Beatles, Beatles. We know that, hey, Jude,

is coming. It's actually great. Well done. I like it. Well done, Tunday. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

That's a coach. So, Dan, we had, before you came on, we had the Terry McClorin contract. Negotiation saga ended three years up to $96 million in the contract. You know how important he is to that offense. I got two questions for you. One is what's your initial reaction to this deal? And then the other thing is he hasn't practiced with him. Like, can they get back quickly enough to make it impact early?

Yeah. was about time, you know, and I got, like, many people, like, super bummed and upset that it got to that point. And I was one of those people, and I am one of those people that, like, who you are does matter in contract negotiations. You are paying the person, you know, at times, not think just as much as the player, but it should have some type of, you know, and I thought that Terry had been, like, the face of that franchise during some really down times. And I was upset that it got to that point. But I'm also tip of the hat that they figured it out before the season. And the second thing, no, I don't think they can hit the ground

running. I think you have to be super, super, super smart, especially for a team that coming off of last year has, you know, the aspirations and belief that they'll be playing in January. We talk about it all the time when it comes to these soft tissue injuries and specifically hamstrings for guys that are running a long time. So I think, you know, Washington needs to be super smart about how they go about his next four to six weeks. And, you know, I know C.D. missed some time last year and didn't really suffer, at least to my brain recalling last year, any type of injury that forced them to miss time. But IUC, I think, did at some point previously. So you just got to be really smart.

This is an offense that runs no huddle as well. So this isn't an offense that has the traditional run of play, get back to the huddle, take, you know, 40 seconds. And so the temple that they play in has a little bit of benefit but also there's a there's a attacks to their bodies as well so i think that one of the things that just paying attention to is how he's getting used his snap counts you know in that first month of the season um yeah you know i think they need to be smart and and keep on the long-term vision for this season that's interesting yeah so four to six weeks is basically the next training camp it's like allow this to be their training camp now and like if he doesn't play 80 snaps like that's okay but just

let him kind of ease his way in is what it sounds like which makes sense um i want to boys have got some questions for you i want to go back to one thing you talked about last week i was pretty up in the air on matthew stafford what was going to happen you were not up in the air you believed that it was going to be okay and then i think as you were on he started practicing. It is a week from there. He's had no setbacks. First of all, how happy are you to be exactly right? And two, you've seen some clips. I mean, does he look like himself? Yeah, I mean, I've got an unhealthy being right, and so it's not, at times it's a good, it's a bad thing. Yeah, he looks like himself. You know, I think one of the things that's probably most

impressive about Matthew is, and this is, you know, kind of going back 10 years. when Matthew started to go to those quarterback specials out in California I think Adam Daydow is the guy that led the way is Matthew really wanted to become more of a technician throwing the football he was that gunslinger and

you know had tremendous talent but he really wanted to become like his best as possible and I think that's the thing that stands out when you watch him not only play but even some of the clips you're watching right now is just how much he you know as the back end of his career has become just a

a technician and that's become a huge part of how well he's played down the back stretch. So I don't think we have to sugarcoat this when it comes to the Rams. And you had heard floats about this over the past year, at least I had, was, you know, they were, they were all in on maybe like one final run with Stafford and McVeigh together. I don't think it's crazy to say that if they had beaten Philly last year, they would have gone to the Super Bowl. Maybe Matthew wouldn't be a ram right now if they had gone and won it. I do think that there are some people who have that same thought process of like, this is the final run.

Like this is the last year of this, hey, we can go win a Super Bowl. This quarterback is capable of going to win that Super Bowl with this coach. And so I thought that was one of the reasons why they were extra cautious. And that's why I didn't really have a ton of doubt. So, yeah, I think he looks great. And like, listen, dude, if they, I think there's two things about their football team, Ian, that probably they're searching for. They got to get more explosive in the run game. They're really efficient in the run game.

They got to get more explosive. The teams that were like six out of seven, you know, final six or seven playoff teams last year, they were all explosive in the run game. The Rams weren't. And then two, they can't be in third and longs. Some teams can and they can survive. The Rams can't throw offense lines really good unless it's third and obvious passing situations. If they take steps forward in those two things, they'll be in the NFC title game. That's fascinating. Fascinating start from someone and knows Stafford so well.

That's all well and good. Two big stories. But I think it's fair to go to our good friend, Tone Diggs, for the biggest story of the weekend. Yeah, Dan, I'm not sure if you saw the Cleveland Browns played a preseason game, their final preseason game. Simple question first. How many games do you think Kevin Stefansky is going to be? suspended for the mishandling of the quarterback situation in the preseason finale. Can't believe that he played Joe Flacco, even though he hasn't played at all yet this preseason. No, but in all honesty, there's a lot going on on the internet,

and one side's not going to change their mind, the other side is not going to change their mind. But just from the football side and the tape and what you've seen, what do you make of the whole Cleveland Brown's quarterback situation? Yeah, just from this past weekend, I thought number one, Joe looked really sharp. Number two, Dylan Gabriel did as well. Dylan Gabriel played super fast. I thought he made some big time NFL throws to the perimeter.

Just plays at the NFL speed. He sees it clean. He sees it fast. He moves quickly and he executes at a really high level on a consistent basis. That's just what the two games of his tape have shown. If you take away the pick six, which I thought was miscommunication and the fumble, which I believe was his, but that's a very correctable thing, it's crazy clean and it happens real it's very two alike it's and i know they're the left it's very

too alike some of these throws have been crazy quick okay uh to door it was a struggle a lot of the things that we saw shador um doing college that were concerning coming out showed themselves caught the ball it did it seemed like he wasn't looking to read the defense he was just trying to see where the offensive line moved to and then he was going to move off of that at slow eyes. And so that showed itself and that was concerning coming out of school

and it was concerning against the Rams defense. So the overall takeaway is this to him. Like one game. Carolina, pretty darn good, dude. Like really, really, really impressive. One game against the Rams, like this ball's got to be a throwaway.

It's first in 10. The defense won the rep. Throw the ball away. Now everyone might go, oh, it's a three-yard loss. So second and 13 is almost impossible to come back from. And then second and 12,

you could check the vault down and move up. Maybe it's third and nine. It's third and forever. So, like, those were the things that you were just, at least me, like, you were concerned about coming out of school. And, okay, he's going to have to fix that. He didn't. It doesn't mean he can't.

We don't have to sit here and say that a coach who's dedicated his life to football and dedicated his life to development of players. in football is sabotaging an NFL legend's son's career we don't have to go that far um if you've ever spent time with kevin stefansky and talked to kevin stefansky you would be like man he's this really good guy Andrew barry if you ever spent time and talked with Andrew berry you'd walk away like dude he seems like the nicest person on the planet i don't think those two guys got in you know cahoots together and said let's sabotage an NFL legend's career or his son's career so um internet was talking

internet was talking yeah my gosh he was playing with Lyman that got cut Dan yeah imagine Lyman getting cut in preseason that's absurd players getting cut on cut down day I just never have

I'm on yeah so I just think everyone I take a deep breath and being like he had one good game he had one bad game he has to develop in some stuff he's got to improve in some stuff and hopefully for his case he does

you know like I think it could be as simple as that. Ty, you got a question? Yeah, Dan, I don't think the trade is that big of a deal. And I know you were talking about sleeper teams in the NFC this morning and, you know, you had the Vikings on there. They trade Sam Howell and go out and sign Carson Wentz.

Are you surprised at that whole situation with a team that has, you know, NFC championship, Super Bowl aspirations? And it's kind of just like, hey, this is JJ McCarthy's team. If we're going to go where we want to go, he's got to be the one that takes us there. And should we just operate under the assumption that it's KOC and no matter what or who's, you know, who's under center, like he's going to get them right and the Vikings are still going to be kind of hell to deal with this year? I think the Vikings are going to be absolute hell to deal with this year. I don't, I'm not like, it doesn't matter who's under center. You have to have a really good player to be, you know, one of those real true competitive teams.

I think it speaks to what they believe in JJ and what they've seen. about, you know, and JJ over the course of the last 16 to 18 months. I'm not overly surprised. Also, the guy that they have third string, I think Matt Brossner has been pretty impressive as well with, like, the way that he plays. So I think that he's got a future. I'm not all that surprised with the same owl trade.

You know, Carson's got a past with Josh McCown as their quarterback coach. I think that they firmly believe in J.J. McCarthy. And if they have at reservations about who he was going to be as a player, would have done something different than Carson Wentz. I think Carson Wentz is the if something happens to JJ and we need a guy to play for a week or two. Howell didn't necessarily fit what they were doing schematically. Carson's got a little bit of past when it comes to all the offenses he's been in.

This team's got a chance. I don't feel all that different about this team than I do. um you know the rams i don't want to say as high as the rams but like listen if they hate stay healthy and jj plays the way that um sam darnald did or in that vein this team very much so could be an nfc championship contender because they're they're so deep they're so and their lines of scrimmage are so good and they're coached so well their top five coaching combination so um i think they need to add a veteran receiver because the addins addison suspension and just the jj hamstring gives me a little bit of, like, deep breath.

Hold on, Dan. Just happened. Ian? No, no, no. Nothing happened. What? Is there any truth to the Teland, back to the Vikings rumors? They are in discussions.

They've had, those two sides have had talks. You freak me out because you said it. Well, I saw, yes, I'm sorry for doing that, you. But I also saw Dan tweeted when those rumors were going yesterday that he would hate that for Bryce Young, but obviously that would be great. No, so, Dan, listen, Dan, I want to hear your, and I know guys have some more questions for it. I want to hear your take on this too, but like, it would suck for Bryce Young. But for Thieland, this would be, and the two sides have had conversations.

I wouldn't be surprised if a deal happened. It has not happened yet. And I know the Panthers are fine, not trading them. But God, for Thieland, this would be the most amazing, like, reunion. Right? I mean, how cool would that be? Yeah, I think, yes, for Thieland to be able to go back home, go to the place that he started his career, finished his career,

be on a team that could, you know, have legitimate NFC championship and Super Bowl run aspirations. Obviously, with the Addison injury, there's a, there's a little bit of need there for a player that can perform at a high level. It's suspension. No, yes, excuse me, suspension. Yep, correct. So yes, yes, yes. There's another side to it, though, as well. It's like, man, I would, I would hate for Bryce to lose him.

I really would. I thought he was so important for Bryce's finish last year. And I would also say Ted McMillan and Zadre Liget have like really unique skill sets. Their frames are really important like when it comes to where a quarterback comfort is comfort level and throwing them to football.

They're big body guys. Ted's a little bit more lanky. Xavier's a little bit more thick. Adam's the feel guy. Adam's the, you know, the possession guy. And so for Bryce to lose that,

while it would be a plus for Jay, and certainly a great story for Adam, it's a it's a lost in my opinion uh big time big time lost in my opinion for brice in carolina sure yeah important years right what kind of dan's going in we got we got the guy back yeah he's there all right okay uh jay i know you got a i know you got a question for dan as we try to get him try to make sure that he's got service i just keep saying words are we good all right go jay i got a you're good you're good dan i think it's good. Where are you with the Debroncos? We know there's a lot of people that are very

high on the Broncos and what Bo Nix could possibly do a year two with Sean Payton. Where are you exactly? How do you think they stack up in the AFC? Yeah, they're the probably top three defense in the NFL. I think they're going to be an absolute problem in the AFC West. Yes, you've got to beat Kansas City to beat Kansas City and actually get it done finally. It's the best division Patrick's ever played against. I think like the things that are most stand out about this we won it'll be a top five offensive line in football this year Sean Payton back when he was with the Saints they always had one of the best offensive lines

specifically guard center guard they've got that again in Denver it'll be a top five offensive line I think the two things that stand out to me are that are little bit question mark are you know they Sean talked about having that joker when it comes to that tight end guy that he would move around and the thing that I know about Sean's offenses are Sean wants that

joker to be a multifaceted player what i mean by this is that he wants that jimmy graham type of guy that you could put out and put by himself or move around and that guy's going to give the quarterback information of the defense are they in man are they in zone is it going to be one safety is it going to be two safeties but then also it gives that guy a matchup that you believe can be a winner when it comes to those one-on-one situations and they make the trade or they acquire Evan Ingram, and I would say that Evan necessarily hasn't been that type of guy. Like, he hasn't been the guy that you put out there by himself and he just kills people. He's definitely been to get the ball to type of player, certainly in Jacksonville.

We're like, you want to find ways to get him to football. And I want to see how Sean Payton uses him because you don't want to just put him out there because I always say this, AJ, you put a tight end like that out there and he doesn't win in matchups. You're not really as a defense that worried about him. So, like, you don't gain the benefit of the match. okay so how does Sean Payton use them and then Troy Franklin who's their second year receiver that they took out of Oregon in the fourth round it's like this long lanky vertical threat

if he takes a step forward man and he has in camps and preseason games that really gives them two pretty darn good receivers with him and so and so like I'm super super super high on Denver but not only or just because of their defense I was so I was spent some time in Denver too and I talked to Sean Payton for a while, you know, you never quite can tell what someone's going to say about their own expectations because, you know, some coaches

are like, ah, you know, we haven't accomplished it. He was like, I think we're going to be good. He was like, he was like really buying into and like wants the expectation set, wants the team to know how good they are and like, I agree. And I think there's that.

I would tell you this. Just, I don't need to cut you off. Sorry, from my, just from a football perspective. I tell you the only team that I think in that conference is better when you take both offensive and defensive lines, I don't think anybody in that conference. Wow. Maybe Baltimore, but when it comes to like, how good is your offensive line, how good is your defensive line? They're as good, if not better than everybody.

I mean, that's about as, that's a pretty good example of why. They are going to be really good. Connor's got a question for you. Yeah, Dan, you look fantastic today. Whoever did your makeup this morning knocked it out of the park, so please pass on my warmest regards. With that being said, Dan,

you know, Indianapolis, obviously the hotbed of the National Football League with, you know, the AR and Danny Dimes situation, and we're still believe ours, but people are starting to think that maybe after the agent of Anthony Richardson comes out and says, I don't know, what the hell is this team's doing, communicating with us this way.

know, that whole entire situation. What do you think of the Colts? Should we expect a sturdy four-win season in Indianapolis? Should it be some higher hopes? Is this the end of AR in Indianapolis? Do you think the Colts should hang on to him? Maybe run this thing back next year with, I don't know, Carson once again, after he goes to the COC.

What do you think about Indy? Could you imagine? I could. Indie is just like respectfully just not that. feeling to me right now the football team not the city city's great I love the city love the city love the city yeah the football team like I kind of we know kind of what Daniel Jones is he's gonna have some moments when he's good and then you're like hey man I they've got really good perimeter players so I just like if Daniel

Jones eeks are they 10 and 7 you know are they are they 10 and 7 in the playoffs and then but you're not beating anybody that matters right you know you're not anybody in the playoffs that you think are the Baltimore's, the Buffaloes, the Kansas cities, the Denver's, the Houston's. And so that's why I was one of the reasons why I was on board with Anthony, Anthony has to play. Like Anthony, I don't care if it's the bolts, I don't care if it's, I don't care who you are.

Anthony Richardson has to find a way to get on the field. So if I'm in his agent, yeah, I want him out of, indeed, because I want him to go to a place that he's going to have a chance to play and it doesn't seem, like if you're Indian, you weren't going to give him the chance to play. And I'm not absolving Anthony from his role in some of this. He certainly has it, you know, going back to last year. But there's not a ton of like eye end appeal for the football team right now, respectfully. And then also for Anthony, it's like, yeah, I think you're trying to find a new home or you're going to.

And you're not all far from it right now. Like being in that Trey Lance world where you're just like, all right, am I going to get lucky to have a bunch of playing time in the preseason and try to prove myself as a backup and then hope to get on the field. somehow, but it doesn't seem like Indy believes in him. Well, that's the thing, Dan, is like, you know, everyone says, like, he needs to play. But if you look at the Colts, that was, like, the most intriguing quarterback, like, place where he actually had a legitimate opportunity to play. So if he's not going to be able to play here, like, you know, I mean, no team is trading for him thinking, like, oh, this guy's going to get on the field and he's going to play for us,

right? Like, at this point, if Danny Dimes doesn't get hurt and he comes on and is unbelievable, like, He's going to be a backup quarterback somewhere, correct? Yes, yeah, yeah, totally. The situation, tied to your point, is probably best in Indy when it comes to the reality of getting on the field. I don't know what the behind the doors situation is, though. I don't know how much the trust is from the organization and coaches down to him

and then him to them, and does he want to be there? Do they want them there? That's just me thoughts. I'm not making anything up here. So I just don't know if they and he believe, you know, separate starts are best for both parties. So I was thinking about the Carson Wentz situation Saturday when we found out that he visited there. And you sort of knew like, all right, hold on. Like if Carson's visiting, who are they trading?

And then, and like, so that's like they trade Sam Howell. They signed Carson. And the first text I get was from one of the quarterback guys that I know. and it's like, do you think Carson could be this year's, like, Sam Donald? And look, hopefully he doesn't play, because that means JJ has been great and injury-free. If Carson does play, like, that's an amazing situation for him. And so, like, you know, he's done it, he's experienced, he's played at the highest levels. He's where he is now in his career, but could absolutely have, like, a career rebirth.

Okay, fine. But, like, when you go to Anthony Richardson, like, if a team, like, let's say the Vikings needed a backup, like they're not trading for Anthony Richardson because they don't know. for sure what they're going to get. So, like, these guys were saying, like, where's he going to play? Like, that's, like, I don't, I don't know how this ends, but my guess is it ends with them getting another shot in a camp battle next year with some other team. After they've, everyone has kind of moved on and said, here's your fresh start. Go ahead. Thank you. Um, yeah, like, I sent out a tweet, uh, kind of when it happened, and I was

at a Philly entertain trading forum to Los Angeles Rams. trade and form. So it's like, again, Ian, and Ty's comments are accurate. It's not a great, um, like long term reality right now for Anthony that more than likely his future is at a place where he's just trying to find his footing in a backup situation that has the chance to become a starter if it's an older guy or injury. But that also means he's going, more time without taking snaps. More time without getting snaps. But also you never know.

I remember being with the Houston Texans in 2008. When Matt Schaub was just starting a quarterback and one of the reasons why it was like Shob had missed like 16 games over their previous two seasons and I wanted to play and I was like, sweet, I'm going to go there so I can play and then Shob started like 50 straight games. Yeah. Yeah.

You also like never know. So going back to the moment of drafting him, Indianapolis should have said we are all in on him playing all the time and we're not going to worry about winning and losing. We're just going to develop him and get him his reps. Or he'd not complete until it's a year. And they didn't either. And again, he's got his own hand in it as well.

But it wasn't the ideal kind of process. of calendar for him. Yeah. Well said. Great stuff, Dan. Appreciate you as always. I know you're getting ready to go. Let's see.

We got a golf course. We got a kids game. What's at your house? Wow. Your house looks amazing. Me and Deschambeau, I'm the same house. This is a defense campus. Oh, nice.

Who's campus? ESPN. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that looks right. We've never been. Reminds me back when I was an intern there. You guys have never been. No.

I've been once. Connor's been. I spent a summer there. It was lovely. Oh, really? Yeah. It's awesome. All right, Dan, thank you very much.

Go hang. We'll talk to you. Appreciate you. Thank you, Dan. Thank you, Dan. I hate to say it, guys. That was not a very promising outlook from the Colts perspective. I mean, I hate to do it.

I mean, right? He was right. It's been, like, there for like three years. I know, but, like, again, like, when you talk about the, like, I know it's not great, but, like, when you talk these issues through, like, that sounded way worse. The very, the very last thing he said is why, because I've, I've, I've, I've to a few Colts fans now why they're all very very mad about the situation is because of what Dan said you either draft him day one knowing and they said they know he needs to be developed and you let him play and no matter what happens kind of like you know the bills knew that Josh Allen needed developed and they basically played from day one and no matter what the record was he played and he developed or you do what you know other teams do and you let him sit for three years and you don't play him at all and I hope he develops that way and they did they did they kind of tried to tow the line and it didn't it didn't work out. Age-wise, at least, you

could kind of compare it to Drake May. Like when Drake came in, him and AR were basically the same age. A.R. might have been a little younger, but they were basically around the same, you know, yeah, age, but AR got hurt after five games, and Drake May had his first start after five games.

So, like, I understand maybe they handled it wrong, but, like, this has been Shane Stuyking, Chris Ballard, from day one, baby. This is, there's no one else to blame. It is all Stiking in Ballard, and it is basically strictly on them, how it has been handled. When it comes to Shane Steichen,

I feel like most people, or at least how I feel is, unbelievable play caller, but what has happened the last four years has happened, and like he's the guy. And maybe I think that because like Vrabel has come in and flipped it immediately, and Stuyckin and Vrabel are two completely different people. I shouldn't compare

them. But like his culture, it felt like never settled at all. And the thing with Stikin, too, is like he was here and probably had somewhat of a say in which quarterback they drafted, and they went with Anthony Richardson. So if, like, it goes bad again, are you going to afford him another opportunity of, okay, we're going to have another top five pick? Like, now let's see. Like, you've got to develop this guy. We know the last one didn't work that well. Like, and typically, especially

with, you know, Mr. Ursa passing away, like, I just feel like in the NFL, like, you're usually not afforded that opportunity twice. Yeah, and I think that's right. And look, like, a couple things stand out to me. And like, first of all, for them to decide that Anthony Richardson is not the guy, he had to definitely be not the guy. Correct. The GM and head coach are invested

and should want the guy they drafted to be the starter. And owners. Right. Everybody. Right. And so it's like, if he's not, then either Daniel Jones is about to have a career resurgence, which I like Daniel Jones a lot. We played a round of golf

together. He shot 83 at Westchester Country Club and made me look like a terrible golfer. That's DJ. I mean, it was hitting bombs. That's what he does. He's a big SOB. NFL quarterback. I mean, he's pretty good. I mean, it's one of those things where he's like, yeah, I don't play a lot and then goes and shoots 83 on like a world-class golf course.

Yeah, he's a good athlete. Cool. Great. And that is why like I have faith in Dan Jones too, though. And Stiking, because like Stiking is a good play call. It's just everything else that comes with being a head coach. At least it appears it hasn't gone as well. I'm like, you were saying that before and I find myself getting a little frustrated because like

I think Shane Steichen is a good head coach and I would like to see him have the opportunity he's responsible for what's happened I'm not saying that but I would like to see him have a quarterback good enough to give him the opportunity to be a good head coach and it's like you know I don't hopefully for them Daniel Jones has a career resurgence and and they're really good And, like, you know, look, like, it's, so, like, AJ, like, you're in the locker room. You got Anthony Richardson, who you've just seen the comments from his agent, who's kind of looking around and saying, like, we're not sure how the organization treated us. Like, is that weird? Like, are people, like, picking sides?

Like, how does this play out? Do you think behind closed doors? Yeah, I mean, it's a good question. When it comes to quarterback competition, there's definitely sides. Like, there's, there's, certain receivers want this guy, certain receivers want that guy at the O line, wants certain guys. one certain guy usually, but also at the same time, there's a good chance that all the players do like and respect both quarterbacks, but some of them work out better for others, whether this guy's in or that guy is. But when I mean, when agents start talking about the organization, all

that stuff starts happening, I think guys are used to like all the weird outside noise when it comes in the NFL. Like, before I got in the league, I used to always wonder that, like, how do these guys hold out a training camp and all this stuff? And they come back and their teammates are still okay with it like are their coaches all pissed at him still and then you get there and you realize no this is just how it is like it's a it's a professional thing and you're not going to hold anything against the guy for how they handle a situation but players will definitely hold a franchise accountable and they will they will remember exactly how they may have treated them how they treated their close buddies or someone they feel like they screwed

and i'm not saying anyone got screwed over here but when it comes to quarterbacks like if you're you draft a guy in the first round and your quarterback doesn't he doesn't become your franchise dude, it doesn't kill you like it used to. It used to really be tough with the salary cap and all the guaranteed money they got now with how the salaries are. You can still, it's easier, I guess, to recover and figure it out. And with quarterbacks bouncing around to your point, like, I mean, Dan Jones is here. Sam Darno, Smith. Like, it does happen a lot of Baker in Tampa. Like, Tampa didn't have a, you know, future, if you will, when it comes to a quarterback. And then they just got Baker for the next 10 years. I don't, I know we don't have it. But to your

point, AJ, Quentin Nelson did an interview. We might be able to find it real quick, but it was basically them asking him about Danny Dimes and Anthony Richardson, and he doesn't have any animosity towards the players, and he might not even have any animosity towards the team itself,

but he's sick of it. He said in his interview, like, I mean, shit, this is seven years in a row now, where I've had a different quarterback for basically my entire career since Andrew Luck retired. And like, I'm not saying Quentin Nelson's going to cause a fuss, but I'm assuming that when...

For him to speak out. Exactly. Doesn't speak at all. It doesn't really do any interviews. Never really hear him talk. But for the one time for him to speak, for it to be like, yeah, you know what, this sucks. Yeah, okay, sweet. We found it.

Let's just... I would say so. I think I'd be lying if I said it wasn't. You know, you look around the league and see just, like, the consistency of having, like, Patrick Mahomes or, like, quarterback behind you. that's been the franchise player for years and years and years. And getting to build that chemistry with that quarterback year after year is something that there is an advantage to when it comes to O-line play. So to answer your question, yeah.

Yeah, it sucks. I haven't known a quarterback in seven years. They're all different and none of them like the same shit. It's the worst is basically what he just said. It's Rona Week, now until Wednesday. You hear that? That's the sound of your summer getting a second life. It's the sound of a Rona pressure washer at only 9999.

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I mean, isn't that like, you know, like, talking about how the plays in the locker room, AJ, like, isn't that the locker room? Like, that's, that's, must be other guys. They figured out. Quentin Lowe said, hey, figure it out. Like, it's your guy's job to figure out, like, you know, the roster development and how to bring people in and who to get rid of. they figured out we need a quarterback i've been here it is true like the old lineman they all it's one big cohesive

unit and that quarterback is attached to the hip like they know exactly how those guys like to move where they set protections all of that stuff the uh like the continuity is gigantic and that's what he was saying that well think about how like how important the quarterback position is in getting it right if you are drafting that high because

the commanders uh it was on get up this morning the uh the sneaky humbo question of the day was which organization has the um longest streak or had the longest streak of a different quarterback starting each year and this this will break a streak for the commanders of eight

straight years where they had a different quarterback starting game one. I believe the Colts will be at seven I think this year but the commanders pick number two overall Jane Daniels he comes in now we think they're potential Super Bowl contenders every single year because they got it right. The Colts

did not get it right and this is how we're talking about them. So like getting the quarterback right in the first round is literally the most important possible thing in the NFL. Even for like the team. I think that's what I obviously if it's seven straight years, sure. That could get old. But even

just for the team itself. And I wonder what the psychology of it is for, you know, like Quentin Nelson or the old line. Like when they're, if you have the choice to, you know, maybe shoot the shit and hang out with Dan Jones or just go the hell home, it's like, well, you're not going to be here next year. Why the hell would I kind

get to know you? Like what's the point? Seriously, I wonder how close he's actually been able to get with his quarterbacks because he's basically been the face of the colts since he was drafted. I mean, not the face, but he's been one of the best players since he's been there. Yeah. And so you genuinely wonder, like, how close he feels he can actually get with some of the QBs just because it's been seven straight years. I mean, it's absurd. I mean, and this is why, like, you know, at the end of, like, I don't know how good the Colts are going to be, but let's say that they're not that good. Yeah. Let's say that not that good. Hopefully that's not the

case because I like the guys there, but let's say they're not that good. Sure. When you get to like November and everyone's tired and they've lost a bunch of games and it's like do I do that extra lift or do I work like this is why seasons sometimes spiral in a bad way. Like this and so like if we

are looking back on this and you know and if it's November and they're like really bad I'm like I get it. I think the other piece of it is like you look at that division and it is so getable like Houston has been but it's like we're in a time right now where if you at least have

like a little bit better than average quarterback play like you are a contender to win the you know you're a contender to win the FC South and so it's like you go year after year after year when you have these other great players and it's like hey you know I mean somehow we've

managed to to fuck up the most important position in sports where your team can't go if you don't have a guy and it's just like you know we look at Jacksonville like they're probably only going to get better if Trevor Lawrence can figure it out and all that kind of stuff. Cam Ward's young.

They think he's the guy, you know, saw people on ESPN saying that they think Cam Ward's going to be the best quarterback in that division by midseason, and they're going to win the division. So, like, people are talking about the Titans that way in some respects. And then obviously the Texans have had, you know, so much success as of late. But there really is no conversation about the Colts there in terms of like, hey, they could win the division this year. And they paid people, to your point.

Like, it's not as if they have good players and their own rookie deals. It's like they've spent money on these guys and they have absolutely nothing to show for it. You guys mentioned the commanders. I want to go back to one of the things that happened this weekend. Brian Robinson got traded. Oh, yeah? Which, you know, I would say for the commanders as a thing

like he was, they're starting running back for four years. Now, that tweet right there, I will say, I was in Nantucket with some friends and family. It was so hard to send that tweet. Why? Because the service is so bad. No service. I was like,

punching my phone. I'm waiting for like Cevice, this like awesome seafood truck, and I knew that there was no service, but I'm like, all right, if I just hit send. What are you do and go to Nantucket when you know it's this time of the year, right? These are not my decisions. These are not, and I know we had a great time

drinking pineapple drinks and like hanging out with friends. Hanging on the beach. It was lovely. Also, it was hard because you blacked out. You couldn't see your screen. This was early. This was early. It was like 11 o'clock or 12 o'clock. We had 10 drinks. And I couldn't. it just wouldn't go, and I had to call Palisero and be like, what, what, like,

I'll blow this, Tom, I'll blow this right now, Tom. Anyway, the whole thing was ridiculous. But so Brian Robinson goes from the commanders to the 49th. They have a starting running back, but everyone, it seems, is successful as a running back. I mean, look, for fantasy, if people have him in the keeper leagues, or if, like, I feel like this is the absolute biggest win for Brian Robinson you could ever have. Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, I think you're praying that you get a full year of Christian McCaffrey, but at this point, like, there's just a very good chance that he's going to miss a couple games,

and you also don't need him, you know, taking as many touches or carries as he has in years past coming off the injury that he had. So, yeah, I mean, shit, what was it last year? Three different guys rushing for over 100 yards, it seemed like in, you know, different games for the Niners. So it certainly does seem like anyone they get and put back there. the ability to have a, you know, a very solid day anytime they play. Yeah, those short yardages, too. Like, he's a much different running back than Christian McCaffrey.

Like, if anything, you can just think of it, like, hey, if we have, you know, five to ten short yardage plays per game, that's five to ten massive shots that Christian McCaffrey doesn't have to take anymore, you know? And, you know, of course, they're important plays, but Brian Robinson, you said it. He's started for four years. He's really, he's a really good running back. And as the internet pointed out, him and Ricky Pearsall, they have a lot. lot to talk about there. You have a lot to bond over

and now the Niners lead the league in that category. Great time to be a Niners fan. Yeah. They're going to all come out to many, many, many. Yeah. One of your favorites. I don't know. I mean, it's a great song. Do the Niners still do the boombox since Devo's gone? That's a good question.

Do the commanders? Do the commanders do the boombox now? It's going to be interesting that we need to track. Does that guy? So I saw like who's the guy who came out with Shador It was a corner playing it out with the Scyth, yeah Yeah

I can remember Does that guy Like he got cut Oh really? Yes Who walks out with Shador now Who walks out with? So Shador's not getting cut

Shador's not getting cut Are the Browns keeping four quarterbacks As a conversation I think Interesting We probably should We probably should have

Okay Not in this network No But we're going to continue on YouTube and some other places And get right into it That was our show

thank you everyone for hanging out with us goodbye nailed it see now that's a pro's pro right there that's what we're talking about yeah well done what I really need is for people who don't know

I have the countdown on my ear I spend most of my life with a countdown on my ear doing like the insiders whatever and so like that I can roll with when it's just out in the ether the floating but ball that's one you know

I just yeah it's not the norm for you I think that's probably why You know, you've got to adapt a little bit to survive over here. He's 100%. Adapt, he's right. He's 100% right. Adapt or die.

Adap or die. Thrive or survive or survive or maybe. So, did they trade Brian Robinson, Jr., because they love Austin Echler, or is he going to be starting back or is it going to be Bill Krosky? Sick, Bill Crowsky. It's going to be Wild Bill. It's going to be Wild Bill. asking. I mean, his story is so crazy. I did some internet sleuthing. I also called his agent to be like, like a week ago, I was literally like, who's this guy's agent? And a young agent I had not heard of. I'm like, I don't know your player. Can you like explain him to me? And he's

like, well, obviously you've read. And I'm like, have I? Have I read? Have not? And so like, he barely played his last year in college. It was an eligibility issues regarding whether or not he was on the field for his first team that he played for so like gets drafted late hasn't played a lot of football recently and they were like this guy's like I swore he's good and I'm like cool everyone says their client's good this guy actually is good and so like there is a real chance that the commander starting running back

as a player who played one game in college last year and bounced around and like just that's going to be it like it's and like meanwhile Brian Robinson who started three years for them gets traded for a six-round pick. Yeah. Right? I mean, that's just like... NFL's wild. That's Bill Krosky and merit football.

Yeah, it's being a running back now. You know? It's a tough, tough business. The other thing that happened this weekend, we talked about one of the quarterback trade, talked about Sam Howell going from the Vikings to the Philadelphia Eagles. The Las Vegas Raiders now may need to make a quarterback trade themselves.

I know this because of my sources, and also Pete Carroll literally came out and said it. Aiden O'Connell gets injured, fractures his wrist, out six to eight weeks, so he'll begin the season on IR, and they now need to go trade for a quarterback. They now need to go find someone who can back up Gino Smith and, you know, someone who can be secure. They want someone with experience. We have talked about some of the teams that might keep four quarterbacks,

like the Browns have come out and been like, yeah, we're planning to keep four. I think the Giants have a chance to keep four as well. Surely one of them, surely the Raiders call one of them, right? I mean, doesn't this... Like, is it, like, because is it obviously off of those, you would think it's probably James or Kenny, based on the tea leaves in that situation? And I asked you earlier, I talked to you about it earlier,

maybe Skylar Thompson from the Steelers, because he's played really well. He started a playoff game in the past. I assume it's someone of that ilk. Who was Gino's backup Pete Carroll's last year in Seattle? Drew Locke. Yes. No, it wasn't Pete Carroll's last year.

So I think Drew Locke, I think Pete Carroll didn't have Drew Locke, right? Because there was a year in between. I forget, but would Drew Locke not be one of those? So that was my thought. And then they drafted Jaylen Milrose. So it's like, if you're going to draft a quarterback of the third round, might he be your backup?

I just, you know, the real problem with this, and like, I love trades and this is why this time of year is wacky. But, like, yes, the Seahawks could get something, I think probably pretty real for Drew Locke, like a legitimate late-round 5 or 6, something like that. But then, God forbid, Sam Donald gets hurt. And it's like, do you trust,

I'm not saying you don't, but like, do you trust Jalen Milrow? It's a lot of on his plate. Is he going to have packages right away? Do you know? I think so. Yeah, they're planning on using them. But do you also trust? I can't remember who we were just talking about.

Sam Donald? Yeah, no. Oh, Drew Locke. Yeah, Drew Locke. I forgot his name. I mean. Do you trust? If Sam Donald gets hurt, is Drew Locke going to come, and it's like, all right, we're good. Nothing changes.

We're a playoff team still. Like, I don't think that's really... Well, Mill Road, maybe. Yeah, Mill Roe, you never know. Is Ryan Taney Hill still on the scrap heap somewhere? Is he in play at all? You know, I don't... I mean, I don't think so.

Like, if, you know, he's been out a year... Now, look, if someone's going to pay him $10 million, my guess is he'd probably consider. I think for $10 million, you'd probably consider a lot of things. Whoa. But nothing weird. Like what? I mean, nothing strained. No, you're...

Ten million. Don't get yourself into trouble. Move on. Jude earmuffs now! Jude, perked up. He's like, what? Headphones off, he's probably watching.

I was just looking at teams. What about the lines? Are they looking for a backup quarterback? Because right now I know they're not exactly, I don't think, thrilled with Ten and Hooker, and then who else? Kyle Allen played pretty good. So, the backup quarterback world is so weird. It's so strange.

Kyle Allen has bounced around so much. He's on Steelers last year. Played so well this preseason. So they do like. They like. Hinden Hooker, I mean, when a, who was it that came out and said Hennon Hooker might need a fresh start? Was it the GM or the head coach?

MCDC said it. He did, okay. So it's like, that's not good. So you have writing's on the wall, Hendon? What does that mean? Why? Why would he say that? He just hasn't gotten any better at all.

She's giving him a heads up. Kyle Allen outplayed him big time this preseason. Are guys interested in, our team's interested in Trey, Lance? Because he's the third string on that team as well, right? Is he the third string? I wondered about that. Oh, Easton? I really wonder.

No, Jacob's not there anymore. No, it's, uh, no, it's He's, it's Heineke. What happened to Easton's sick? He's in, uh, Atlanta or New Orleans. He caught his ass. Fuck, man. This is, this is what I do this time of year, by the way, where I'm like, wait, this team is, right. Like, I go to these training camps and I don't, you know, I went to.

It was Heineke. Yeah, he's there back. Well, maybe he's not. Right, no, I, I'd actually wonder if Hineke would be the kind of guy someone would that the Raiders would trade for, but then in the division, are they really going to do that? What about the nuch? Danich was drinking a Just got covered

I love it so much Ice cold beer Look cold Yeah I did I was uh So I was in the airport with Jude yesterday Waiting to come here And we stopped by the Delta Lounge

Shout out Delta Lounge And he sees a bunch He had an ice cold beer First one I don't know He had the kid Yeah right first one He had the kid version

Which is a chocolate chip cookie And so it's like three o'clock And he had a big old chocolate To cookie and I'm like Jude One of Life's good lessons Like when you're in the airport it, time doesn't matter. You can do whatever you want.

You can have a beer. You can have a cookie. Like, it's 3 o'clock. You have 15 beers. Watch your dad. Take notes, son. Like, watching Danucci have a beer, and I'm like, you know what, dude?

Have your beer. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, in the airport, and you can do whatever. That's like a universal thing, too. I'm glad you said that because the no time in the airport is real. I don't even think when you walk in, they should take it off your phone.

So you can just do whatever the hell you want. Because when you are in the airport, it's the worst place on the planet. I mean, it's not, I don't even, I've been in so, I don't even think it's the worst. It's just not real life. Yeah, it just sucks. Like, it just, so why would I not have, it's 10 o'clock? Like, I'm having eight beers. I mean, you know, for those of us, you know, it's like some people here will fly around on private planes.

Like, that's a little different airport experience. Those of us who are on the commercial flights, you know. Oh, I'll still have three beer, four beer before I get on a commercial flight. Without a doubt, yeah. And usually not beer. Usually, you know, a little cocktail. Yeah, three, four, double. Yeah, there's three cocktail, four cocktail, double them up.

I mean, I'm wrong with that. Again, no judgment. Six to eight. No judgment at all. Yeah. I mean, if I'm going to the airport, I'm getting drunk. That's the bottom line. Airports for drinking.

I mean, that's like, when I do my training camp tour, I'm like, all right, like, let's see, I got no rental car, I got an Uber back. I got an eight o'clock. Like, not going to say that, but might I have like one or two on the flight? Yeah, I kind of scout it out, like, all right, I'm going to get fucking hammered in Jacksonville. I'm just saying, I want to make sure that anything that happens is safe. Sure, of course. It's smart.

So, yes. We're talking about the quarterbacks, talking about the teams that it might or might not keep four. Where do you guys stand on, first of all, it's pretty close your doors making the park? Why would you keep four, though? That's a great. Each spot is so valuable. Why are you keeping four? You think crap.

Especially with the emergency QB rule now, it doesn't make sense to keep more than three. Oh my God. Because you can have two in the... I'm sorry to interrupt. What? Jude just texted me from his watch. He doesn't have a phone, but he's got to watch.

Are you saying I can have beer at the airport? Boom. That's a kid. No, Jude. Push him on it. Yeah. Push him on it. See what you get.

Hey, by the way, Jude, you're about 10 years away where it doesn't even fucking matter what your dad says. Don't forget that. I would say no cursing. Oh, there he is right there. There, dude, wave, wave to the people. The dude. I would say no cursing, but he just went to sleepaway camp for seven weeks, so he's probably hurt all.

He's heard and seen more than, you know, we can teach him. That sleep, that's sleepway camp. Hey, that's bivouac, baby. So here's the answer, AJ. Is you keep four because it has value to you, right? So, like, let's say the Browns keep four, and let's say Kenny Pickett stays on the team. First quarterback injury that happens in the NFL this year,

are getting the call. And so it's like if the price is, I'm just making this up, if the price is a fifth rounder now, like if I'm the, I don't even want to put a team's name into the ether saying there, but it's like if it's a playoff contender team and you lose your starting quarterback and Kenny Pickett is available and he might keep your season afloat. Like, what's that worth to you? Like, yeah, that makes sense. That's an important. Whatever. Like I'll pay, if I'm like some good team who has the only chance of being good is to trade for Kenny Pickett, which you should have a better backup quarterback situation than that, but maybe you don't, it's worth everything.

I'll give you anything you want. That's why, I think, you know? It's got to be, right? Well, why else? That's a very valuable. Each active spot on game day is very, very valuable. So a team, I don't know, you've got to feel pretty decent about the rest of your team if you're going to do that.

But he's the only one that they would do that because no team is trading for Shadour or Dylan Gabriel, probably. I actually don't know if they would trade Dylan Gabriel. like he kind of looked good I know he's small but he kind of looked good like what if he's good sure but that's what I'm saying

though is then your only bargaining chip is like hey have you met Kenny Pickett he's the current bell of the ball it's gonna take two first round picks to get like because no one out you know why they ban the slide in college football guys are Ken Pickett he was a first round pick

it's true oh like you know the other one would be James and I think that's interesting but it's like he's a little more of a wild card But if you trade for James, you're getting all of it. Hell yeah. What do you mean by that?

It's a lot. Him and Jackson look like they love each other, too. Yeah. Maybe they trade Russ before the season starts. I mean... What week would you say Jackson Darts starts? Is that real, AJ? I read it somewhere.

That sounds real to me. What week would I say Jackson Darts starts? This is a great question. These are the things that I think about when I'm doing my nerd-out football stuff. Let's say, let's just go down this round. Let's say the Giants are better than people think they're going to be and in it. Let's say they're four and six by November. Is that right?

Four and six by November, okay, whenever that is. And Russ has played okay, but like has had moments like last year at the beginning and then moments like last year at the end where, as you guys know, like it was not. It was a cliff. He fell off. He fell up, right? And so they're four and six. They're in it and they're playing okay.

playing okay, and the offensive line's still together, do you put Jackson Dard in and say, okay, like, go, and either he leads him to the playoffs or he just plays and gets it, and then next year he's your guy. Like, that's, that's my guess, barring injury. And if you're a Giants fan,

and like for AJ, like for, you know, you're a player, you want your season to have meaning, you want to make sure you're alive, like, doesn't that give you a little bounce if a rookie quarterback comes in in, like, the middle of November, you know? Yeah, I think it's, that's the way, way to go yeah put russ in let's let's hope we don't need to put our backup in our young guy

like jackson dart let's hope we can play as long as we can and russ has a great year and here we go but yeah knowing like i think the four and six thing that's kind of that makes sense because it can kind of give the team that boost and that jump that you possibly could instead of you're going to go one way or the other at four and six it's going to be really terrible or hey let's make a run up this not the easiest first yeah they got a cut is is this is schedule right here i mean that is like Jesus. I mean, New Orleans okay, but like

Philly twice, Denver, San Fran like, I mean, that's I mean, that first four weeks. I mean, that's just come on, like. That's tough. That's tough. I see that. God, not, they don't have a buy until week 14 either. That's the NFL, baby. I know, but like, that seems like particularly

like, blue. Two and two in those first four. That's a win, though. Yeah, you're feeling real good. Yeah, I think then you put them in. Damn near. I mean, it's like, you know, I assume Mike is playing for Dallas week, too, but like, Would I bet my life on it? Probably not. Probably not a bad time to see them.

I don't know. Weeks six through nine, at least. Those are very tough to evens to start with for your rookies. I mean, yeah, true, good point. Right, and that's the other thing. It's like, do you protect, like, I don't think Jackson Dart was going to start anyway, but, like, don't you protect it? Like, Russ.

You try to. Russ has been through it, so, like, he'll be okay, but, like, you'd like to protect him a little bit. It's like, you guys were talking about the Richardson situation. Like, you're right. that was like a mishmash of like but if you're going to protect jackson dart and like make sure that his development isn't stunted like you got to really do it you got to be like until you're ready to go we will just deal with every fan wanting you to play all the time yeah that's never going to stop until he does play unfortunately do you buy too though that

dable they need to show that like he is going to be the guy of the future and that like he's had development in order for him to keep his job yeah i mean i feel like that started as like he's coaching for his job and I feel like now maybe it's just with all the positive pub around the Giants in the preseason that that's kind of tapered off a little bit but what do you think about that I think there is something there it's definitely not nothing like it's like there has been a lot of positive buzz in the preseason but like I'm I know we talked about this last week some but I'm so curious to see when the games start how much of the preseason storylines are we going

to be like why are we talking about that like how much of them yeah like It's every year. Every year. Yeah. You know, like, maybe the Bengals defense is good. Maybe the Jets' offense is good. Slow down. Like, maybe.

On both of those. But no. You know what I mean, though? I do. But every year, the preseason is mostly bullshit. But then situations like Bill Kroski, Merrick, come out. And then, you know, then all of a sudden this kid is a star. Like, that's my favorite part.

When we were talking about the Panthers and Adam Thielen, and granted, this is a very specific player, and I have been pounding the drum. for him. But when we were talking about Thielen, it's like this dude Jalen Coker that they have who's going into his second year. At the end of Carolina's year last year, he was their number one receiver. And

it's probably because Lee Get was their rookie last year that Coker didn't get love as a rookie receiver, but he's really good. And there are random players like that that you find through the preseason that like you root for. But when it comes to storylines, like I typically think 100% of them

are complete horseshit aside from Micah contracts. all that stuff, because that does actually linger into the regular season. But yeah, like if Shadur Sanders or Dylan Gabriel comes out of my mouth during the regular season and they're not playing, shoot me because it shouldn't. They legitimately aren't storylines when, you know, if Flacco is playing, no one should be talking about the Brown's quarterback situation, unless Flacco is playing terribly, which we know that won't happen.

Obviously, that's not going to happen. It's footsteps, baby. No, I think that's a good point. And that's why it's funny, like the, you know, your question to Orlovsky, was a good one about like the you know the internet chatter of of the why does Stavansky hate Shador like

I actually I'm sure I should be annoyed by it but I'm not I'm more like entertained by it because it's about the most like to think that a head coach would sabotage a team's quarterback for like whatever Stavansky would love if Shador was good

it's praying for if they if the Browns and Everything the Browns have done is to set themselves up to draft a quarterback next year. They have an extra first-round pick. They'd love the Jaguars to be god-awful terrible, and they are ready to draft a quarterback. If they don't have to, it is a free first-rounder, and they're all good for 10 years. So, like, do you think Stefansky cares, whether it's Shador or Gabriel or who? Anybody.

Any starting quarterback will do. And so, like, the internet chatter of, like, sabotaging your own player, is so insane and amazing. I can't believe we're talking about it, but that's what we do on a Saturday in the preseason. And maybe that's why everybody started drinking early. It was really nice.

I was not aware of that, by the way. You guys were talking about this in the pre-show? Did you guys watch it all or no? Week zero. It was a good game. What did we learn? Do we learn anything, AJ? Football's back.

Iowa State's legit. They got balls on them. They go four-d-off fourth down. They did. Here it is right here. to basically, or no, sorry, this was Rocko Beck running it in to take the 24-14 lead.

Rocko-Bec. Can we figure the field out overseas, please? Can we figure the grass out once? McQuade was soddened big time. Was it awful? Was it like a... Well, the line. I mean, it was rainy, obviously, but look at it's always, it always looks like mush. You couldn't see the lines, like, and there was a controversial spot on K-State

on one of their drives. But, you know, K-State answered, and then this was the fourth and three they went for it, where if they did not get it, What a call. He is good. Was he not short there? He was. He was.

And they just kneeled it out from here. Oh, okay. But no, Rock O' Beck looked great. You know, there's still some questions about the K-State at the quarterback position and, you know, and his family. And if they're getting along and stuff like that. Newsflash, they're not. Yeah. His family?

We can't answer those questions. Quarterback's dad and his brother beat shit out of each other in the parking lot after the game. They're very embarrassed. Is this like the matter on the field or are you guys serious back? No, this is very real. This is what I missed this weekend? I really had no freaking internet. But this one, this was nice because, you know, you're not fighting some random fan.

You're in Ireland fighting your family, which I believe is one of their pastimes. Yeah, that is actually right passage. So what happened? So this video gets released online? Is that like? Avery Johnson's dad right after the game is like, oh, breaking. Avery Johnson's dad fights a fan who's talking shit to him about Kansas State, blah, blah, blah. Like an hour later, that same video gets released.

it's like breaking. Actually, Avery Johnson wasn't fighting a fan. He was fighting his oldest son. And then some other things came out about Avery Johnson that a lot of people did not know, including myself. But yeah, that video took over. There was a good, you know, three hour period on Saturday where if you opened your phone, you were at one part of the saga, whether you were just seeing it, whether you found out that they were brother and, or sorry, father and son, or whether you were getting the release joint statement from. the two about how they can't be doing that. So how does it work? So they fight allegedly. It's not allegedly. No, yeah. They fight. And then somebody's like, all right, like, I know you guys

just tried to like punch each other, but let's sit in the same room and come up with a statement together. Probably, you know how, I mean, listen, if you've, you've had, yeah, how to work with you. I never fought my father because I ran away and he didn't catch me, but, you know, you fight your brother and you start like, you just, I mean, your family, you hug it out and then you put out the Detroit statement. Yeah, yeah. What did you and you? Schultz he do when he beat the fuck

out of you? Did you guys put out of joint shirt? Brat pooped his pants and had to go change his diaper. Did not put out a joint statement. Okay. I did release a statement to the Washington Post when they asked me about that stuff. What did you say? That was a long statement. I regret to inform

Fuck Starbucks, bitch! Dunkin for life! I have since had some Starbucks coffee. They still do a nice job. Yeah, for sure. They do a good job. But no, it was a great day. It started with that. Kansas absolutely routed in that game.

And then it ended down in Hawaii. Stanford went to Hawaii. And Hawaii won on a field goal kick from a kicker who learned how to kick on YouTube. I believe he's from Japan. Oh, yeah. Is this why people were texting me about a YouTube kicker? Yeah, this is Hawaii's kicker. I thought I was like missing an NFL tryout guy.

He saw football somewhere and it was like, oh, I'm going to go on YouTube. Yeah. Learn how to kick. And he kicked the game winner to beat Sanford on Saturday to end. What a beautiful day of football. Do you guys know we have some college football breaking news? Really?

Would you like to hear some breaking news? Yeah. This show, is it okay to say it? All right. This show will be live from Columbus on Friday. That is breaking.

And I'm going to be guests. No, I'm not going to be guests. No, I'm not a college football guy. I'm not a college football. What's going on in Columbus? Do you even know? Yeah. Obviously, it's a huge

Who's playing? Who's playing? Yeah, who's playing? Hold on. Hold on. I know this one. You can pull this one. Can I? Trick question. It's Ohio State is playing, right? Yeah, that would be a good start. Are they playing Texas? Yeah. Let's go, you do it. You knew you could pull that one.

Is Pat going to be here? I don't know. Honestly, not sure. Yeah. Do you guys really not know? No. Really do not know. I mean, I... My assumption is Saturday. That makes more sense. Like, but I don't know about Friday.

I honestly don't. I have not talked to him. Of course, I have not texted him either, but he hasn't texted me either, so. Sure. That makes sense. Fine. Pump, though. Should be great.

Yeah. I imagine that atmosphere, doing the show in that atmosphere is probably awesome. It's pretty cool. Depends. Ohio State is over when it comes to the Friday shows. Usually it's rainy or because it's Ohio State, they don't really care because they have cool shit like this all the time. But, like, I will never, for the rest of my life, forget James Madison.

like JMU. Seriously? There were like 15,000 people out there, yeah. This was on the Friday, right? This is on the Friday, yeah. They don't get before. No, they never get game day. So when schools like that have it, it's much better.

Ohio State, they've grown a little too comfortable when it comes to their success. Oh, look at us. We won the national championship. Yeah. So they're, oh, it's Friday. What we play on Saturday? This is like when I always appreciate college game day doing like a, like, not that James Madison.

to random school, but it's kind of like a place that you would not otherwise go, because like, it is electric. Oh, yeah. You know, and like, even if it's like cold or rainy and I'm like... Well, when we went, Signetti was the coach. Yeah. So it was before Signetti

went to IU. Sig, Signetti, yeah. So when... And this is how he became like a thing. This is, yeah, so he went from JMU, unbelievable, and he goes from JMU to IU. Okay. And that last year, JMU was when they had game day, so we like met Signetti there

and then full circle. And the first thing he said was like, Who hates the NCAA? And all the kids went fucking ape shit. Yeah, that's awesome. Fantastic. Yeah. He knows how to work or crap.

Yes, it does. The maestro. I will be watching you guys. Okay. Well, maybe. Hopefully. Hopefully I'll be not working. I mean, that's what's crazy is like,

cut down day is tomorrow. Do you guys know this? Oh, yeah. Four o'clock. You'll be seeing a lot of tweets. A lot of players will be released. Anything high-profile ones you think could happen? You know, I think there'll be a couple trades.

Like, I mentioned one last night. Kyle Dugger, who has been the Patriots starting. That's not like high-high-profile, but like, Kyle Dugger had been the Patriots starting saved for five seasons. He could get traded. Then they've been shopping him. There's a tweet right there. Then no doubt it's going to get Mike Rable to yell at the rat.

Although I don't think there's any secret there. But, like, there'll be a couple of those. But I actually feel like a lot of the trades. trades have probably happened already because like it's not that much to haggle over you know it's like if you want sam howl like all right you want to do like a six no it's too much all right how about a six and then we'll do a pick swap seven like cool you know it's like you could generally figure it out you want a guy in your building earlier rather than later so like there'll be a couple but i think most of them probably happened um you know it's it's weird though because like Tuesday will happen

we'll all talk about the players who get cut. A lot of them will, like, make a big deal over some player getting cut or traded, then, like, we'll never hear from again. And then you get to Wednesday, and you're like, okay, like, the seasons, like, it's, like, we're almost there. Eight days away.

It gets really, like, and so there's some, you know, there's some things during the precinct that drive me crazy to no end. One is the storyline stuff we're talking about before, like the stuff that should never see the light of day, but does. Unofficial depth charts? like those

hate them like those a lot hate them nothing more I hate than the unofficial debt chart who puts them together I don't know not the coaches

why is it not official is it official or not it's stupid and some people tweet all about them yeah should they have to give an official

uh yes too deep to you guys do you think they should why when I was covering Alabama see how AJ feels AJ

these are I don't think it's any of our business do you really not even now I mean I when I I used to hear about like the depth chart and they're putting guys like 1A, 1B

or whatever trying not to offend people and all of a sudden a team's got out of 11 starting spots on defense they have 19 possible starters because they don't hurt anybody's feelings like that's the stuff I don't understand. You're not a big or guy. You don't like the or.

No. And I also think like, hey, why does a coach need to give us they're too deep? I don't know. Do what to give them, should they give us their game plan too? Like, I don't know. Sounds like someone was ranked 1B. I don't know like it's wild to me like I think I remember here in Mike McCarthy

answered questions about I'm like yeah like I was pissed for him he didn't have to he doesn't know right now like why does he have to give it to you I mean I don't think you're wrong about that like I'm okay with not getting the depth I just don't like you're you want the info you want the real info I don't want like the PR department and some of them are awesome but like PR department puts together the debt chart and people tweet it like me as if it's a real thing and then the coaches are like stupid depth chart i don't care about like when i covered alabama i covered alabama for three years for the birmingham news and the unveiling up the depth chart was like a legitimate news

item and sabin would like wave in front of our faces and be like i know this is the moment you idiots have didn't say idiots but like would literally be like i know you guys have been waiting for this so here's the depth charts you could make a big deal of it in the paper you can do a whole thing, and then he would, and we would make a huge deal of it in the paper. That was a big, but at least, like, you knew it was kind of real. That's college. Like, in four years in college, like, that's one thing. Like, you might have a freshman or a sophomore coming.

Especially with their recruiting classes. It's like, oh, how many of these five-star kids are going to be starting this year? And I think that's what it was, is, like, the fans would be dying for, like, who is, like, a good recruit. It's like, Mark Ingram going to be the starter. Sure. Or is, like, Dante High Tower. Like, that was kind of when, you know, and that was a huge deal, too, because

like, you know, watching them kind of build it up from scratch was really, really cool. But it also, like, gave you an understanding for, like, those new guys, like the High Towers and Ingrams and all the guys that came in from Sabin, like, they played right away and were awesome. And that was like a, so you could see why young me would want the depth jerk. Would want to know, yeah, the NFL I would, I don't get, but the college makes sense. Yeah, there's that. And then there's like, a guy gets injured and you're kind of like, all right, like, is he

going to play week one or not? If he is, cool, if not, we'll talk about. Coaches don't want, you know, it's like, anyway. They don't want to reveal the information, and all you want to do is suck it out of them. That's right. That's true. That's why the Mike Vrable is the world just want to get the rats out of. They want to put me out of business. Exactly, and I'm going to support Vrable in doing that.

I think we all are. All right. I think we have reached the end here, boys. I think so, too. We have crushed it today. Great job these last two weeks. You guys are awesome. Thank you for having me. Always a pleasure.

I have enjoyed hanging out with you guys, as always. guys, thank you very much for welcoming my son's into your building. You're the dude. And Max. And Max. Maxel. Max appreciated very much how

he, so when we were in an entire, everyone was asking about the show and he was like, Pat McAfee has the most random stuff. So he just talked about, and he just loved the random stuff. So thank you for showing your random stuff to my children.

Thank you for having me. I love you. I love you got. Not weird. Not a weird, not the weird, like her. All right. That's all I got. love you guys i'll be i'll be back another time a better host will be in here tomorrow that is all

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