The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1399 - BA Day with Bruce Arians, Joe Montana, Peter Schrager, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

On today's show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys are joined by 3x Super Bowl Champion, 2x AP NFL Coach of the Year, a man with 47 years of coaching in the NFL/college football, Bruce Arians for the entire show LIVE from the ThunderDome to chat about everything happening around the sports world including everything about the NFL as we are just days away from Thursday Night’s opener, and everything about Bill Belichick’s first game as North Carolina’s Head Coach. Joining the progrum to chat about the NFL this year, who his current top 3 QB’s are, his thoughts on both of the 49ers and the Chiefs this year, is 4x Super Bowl Champion, 3x Super Bowl MVP, 2x MVP, 5x All-Pro, 8x Pro Bowler, 75th and 100th NFL Anniversary teams, and Hall of Famer, Joe Montana. Later, Emmy award winner and ESPN NFL Insider/analyst, Peter Schrager joins the show to chat about his most intriguing storylines heading into the 2025 season. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our Humbleau, the Thunderdome. On this BA day, September 2nd, 2025, this program begins now. Football! It is magical, and obviously there's so much to talk about. We are just two days away from the NFL season kicking off. We're completely wrapped with week one of the college football season, and football season has officially begun. You can almost feel the crisp in the air saying,

Welcome to football season. Hey, you know what's around the corner? All the holidays. You know what else? Meaningful football, literally starting on Thursday night as Philadelphia hosts the Dallas Cowboys. A lot of stories coming out of Dallas. David Mulligeta, who is Michael Parsons'

agent was on with first take this morning and said a lot of from his side that we hadn't heard. You know, the whole shove it up my ass is what Jerry Jones said that the agent told him. He said, that's not what I said at all. He gave a couple answers. We'll talk about that. But we know it's football season whenever we start getting

our weekly guests. Yeah, that's right. We announced last week, Coach Rule will be joining us every single week. We announced Coach Sabin will be joining us every single week. As you saw in the opening shot,

there was a Kengel hat sitting in the back corner. That can only be one man. That man happens to be football coach for 47 years of his life. Only fired nine times. Wow. Three-time Super Bowl champion,

ladies and gentlemen, Bruce Harriens. Yeah, B.J. BA, we can't appreciate you enough for doing this. I'm obviously a huge fan of yours. I got a chance to watch you work. Both whenever I was a fan at home is the Pittsburgh Steelers and then with the Indianapolis coach for the year where you were the interim coach.

I just so happened to sit next to you in the team meeting for the first couple weeks before you became the head coach. Got a chance to learn about you quickly and we all watch you work and do your thing. Not only respectful to Chuck Pagana, the man that hired you as the head coach, but the way you were able to command everybody's excellence because of who you were and the amount of respect

everybody had in the room for you. It was really cool to watch you do your thing. And then obviously, you're the only person that's given AQ. Shipley a job. So we are very thankful for that. Two of them. Yeah, a lot of them. Yeah, we're very appreciative of you, man.

And this year will be a fun one. Have you looked forward to what the season's going to be having to talk about it every single Tuesday? This is a pretty big spot here. Monday night football is going to end. The entire weekend's going to wrap. And we're going to be looking through your brain to tell us how we should feel about everything.

Right, boys? Yeah, punchback. Yeah. So Tuesday. you're going to be setting our thoughts and narratives for everything. Have you thought about that? And thank you for agreeing to do this. Oh, man. It's my pleasure, boys. It's an honor to be here and looking really forward. It's excited. Ready to roll.

You're one of our first guests whenever we were still doing the show in the basement of my house. You joined us. And you've always been incredibly cool to me, both while you were coaching, while I was retired, while I was playing. And we can't thank you to. And you look so cool. Always. I can feel the cool, you know, kind of radiating from a non-year NFL vet. Darius Jay Butler is here. Is that your son, day, red from Tiger Woods right there? It wouldn't presence of greatness today, so I had to, you know, wear the gold stuff, you know, had to do it.

Bruce, a big-time golfer. Bruce, also a guy, B.A. is not scared to let a wedge know that it is no longer supposed to be in a bag. It is supposed to be in the bottom of a pond. One of the greatest club throwers of all time, I think what people would say about you. I think we tried to count them the other day. They're 16, 17, and 18. The Great Waters is where I live. It's all water.

I've done there 19 years now I think there's 37 clubs 7 irons 8 iron a few putters A lot of putters I actually paid one kid to go in there Get 500 bucks I like that damn putter I don't know why I do it

That's that competitive spirit 47 years as a coach You got a love ball And you have more stories About players from the history of the game We can't wait to hear them all Literally just sitting over here It's hard not to just

Hey, hey, hey, we're for three, four hours before the show starts. It's hard not to just ask about everything. We've got to save some of the stuff for the air, which we will. Toxic tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Hey, David Moologeta on with first take was intriguing. Yeah, I think it was. So while I was in Australia, Don Under, a beautiful country, great food. Don't have to get into that again.

But Michael Irvin had Jerry Jones on his show. And I must have missed this clip until very recently. here's Jerry Jones chit-chatting about, you know, following up on the negotiated agreement that he had with Micah Parsons over dinner or whatever it was and reaching out to the agent to make it official in the conversation. Here's how Jerry Jones says that way. When we wanted to send the details to the agent, the agent sold us to stick it up her ass. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait, now see, I'll just hope you're clear.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, what do you mean? So, so we mean, because people going to ask. Mike and I talked, Mike and I talked, and then we were going to send it over to the agent. And we had our agreements on term, amount, guarantees, everything. We were going to send it over to the agent. And the agent said, don't bother, because we've got all that to negotiate. Well, I'd already negotiated. I'd already moved off my mark over several areas.

So he said, listen, I already gave up a lot. in this negotiation with Micah. And then, you know, the conversation then leads, how much can you really get negotiated at a dinner? Did Micah know he was in the middle of a negotiation? Well, Moologgetter responded about to stick it up your ass comment and don't even bother. Here's how he says it went down.

When he made a contract offer, he brought up some stick it up your ass comment that came out of your mouth of the representation for Michael Parsons. I want you to address that and whether or not there's any truth to what he articulated to myself, to Michael Lurvin and others in regards to that. Yeah, you know, it might be hard for someone to believe, but I don't think I've ever used that phrase in my life.

In my 40-plus years, I definitely wouldn't use it with somebody that I have to work with or somebody that I plan on working with in the future. So, no, that wasn't true. And there was a misrepresentation of what I said. What I did tell them was if they believed that the contract was already finalized and they were sending it over to me to be rubber-stamped, then, you know, they probably shouldn't send it over. Okay, so he said this is not over.

we're still in the middle of this now you obviously 47 years coaching who knows how three decades plus i assume with the NFL in the NFL still around the NFL when these types of negotiations get this tense and this ugly uh is this a definite outcome of a trade or have you ever seen like money make up for these is this normal to have this much tension in a negotiation that happened i've seen a few get really hot and then owners pay the fine when they don't show up but never like this not like this It's not this public. These things getting so public now.

They never used to get this public. Jerry Jones, you never coach for the Dallas Cowboys, right? No. You obviously have a lot of friends who have been down there. Different place because it's operated fully like a business. I think after watching that documentary, everybody's takeaway is like, Jerry is obviously one of the greatest promoters of all time. He was maybe supposed to be in wrestling and maybe fighting promotions or something like that.

Instead, he had a love of the Dallas Cowboys and of football. He runs it like a business, tours through the building throughout the season. You know, the wait room you're being watched. I think there's actually an office building next to the practice field so people can rent the offices to watch. Everybody around here has such a panic and a fear of what Bill Belichick's watching practice. Like if there's a plane flying over top of practice, Bill Polion was shutting down practice. Nobody move until that thing gets out of here. Who is it?

That's them. We know that stuff. Like that is how I think, yeah. That was me. That's exactly how you feel as well. So like when you hear that stuff out of Dallas, And then you see how loud this type of, is that suitable to win or conducive to win a Super Bowl? Like, you think you can do it with how hard it is to win a Super Bowl already?

Like, I think a lot of Cowboys fans are like, instead of running like a business and wanting to stir up drama, like, let's try to win a Super Bowl. Yeah. Like, that would be cool. Do you think it's possible with how hard it is to win a game in the NFL? Yeah, I think bygones can be bygones when the money flies, you know? Oh, that fixes everything. But those feelings never go away, you know, and I think it's very hard to reshape that relationship. It's going to be a new relationship now.

Yeah. It might have been, I love playing for you. Now, you're my boss and this is business. Him and Mike had done, I think. The locker room, we haven't heard the locker room. Dak Prescott said both sides are happy about this. You know, both sides are happy with the outcome. I think is Dak's exact quote whenever he was chitch-chatting about Micah leaving.

They get two first-round picks. Obviously, Jerry Jones says, hey, the future is bright with these four first-round picks over the next two years. Who says, I don't make a move right now? That's right. And they paid Duran Blandy. He was able to do that. But it's like, do you think everything that Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys do? They haven't been to what, 29 years?

Yeah. Do you think it is capable of winning a Super Bowl this team? Yeah, I think so. The one thing they do, everything they believe is the best for the Cowboys. Now, if we believe it, that's a different story. But what they believe, and Jerry and Stephen really think every move they make is the best thing for the Dallas Cowboys to win a Super Bowl. Do you think it is, though? Do you think like tours around the building and stuff like that?

I would go crazy. Yes. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm trying to get at here. I would go crazy. Like, it's really hard to win, and they're selling VIP tickets for people to overlook practices. It's like, even me as a punter, bottom of totem pole, which I think is actually like the most powerful position, but the saying is bottom of totem pole as if it means nothing. So let's just say bottom of totem pole, reality, top of totem pole, though. Least important person in there. If we have a fake punt practicing and there's five people that I don't know watching, I as punter, going to go, I'm screwed. that person is going to tell us somebody it's going to do that. Imagine that for every practice.

I don't know. Coach Mike McCarthy said he's just a part of it. You just kind of do that entire thing. I think Dr. Pepper's in the building. I think they actually are in the building, which, by the way, 88 years support in college football. I think Jerry Jones should be pumped that Dr. Pepper's in that office building overlooking their practice field as opposed to somebody else who maybe runs the Eagles

or the Giants or the Washington commanders, anything like that. It is wild. That feels like something that is very unique to the Dallas Cowboys than anywhere else in the NFL. way back to the days when you knew people were skunk in practice. Back in the SEC, you see somebody up in a tree and go get him. I remember Danny Ford got caught jumping over the fence one time as a young assistant, scouting Ole Miss.

Danny, that baby, Danny? You're over for a team. So it's like, I've always had that phobia. Who the hell's that? Nobody's watching our practice. Nobody's around our practice. I want black tarps everywhere. You know, and I think way back at Alabama, Coach Bryant,

there was a pizza shop across the street and all of a sudden he had a rooftop bar. He shut that down quick. Yeah, I can imagine. I'm telling you, it felt like that with everybody. I mean, up there in New England with the greatest dynasty, Bill Belichick said nothing to the media. I mean, they were trying to get everything from everybody else is what everybody assumed.

Like, Bill Paulian was shutting down people that had hoodies too close to their eyes at training camp. That's a little suspicious. Go check that guy. What's he got? He's probably got a camera on his thing getting our practice and our calls right now. Like, that was the heightened sense of, of like we are not allowing anybody to get any of our stuff.

And then down there, just the entire show, I think it's great for us as like outsiders. But I think like a lot of Cowboys fans are like, hey, we became Cowboys fans probably because of something like this, because of the spectacle, because of the show. But now that we're here, hey, let's win a little bit. Let's try to do that. I don't know.

They can still win, though. I mean, because you got to think there was. Super Bowl. They were so far ahead of the times, you know, 30 years ago, but they were still winning, but it was so much shit. They were like the Beatles. You know, they were all superstars, Michael Irvin, Emmett Smith, Troy Akeman, all these guys bringing in Dionne Sanders. But they got the job done.

Once they got inside those white lines, the coach, whether it was Jimmy Johnson or Barry Swiss or whoever it was, they got the guys going. So that's what it's going to come down to. They have drafted well. You know, they have had good guys in the building, good enough players and good enough teams to win 12 and 10 and 13 games and season. So you have the talent. So you can't use that as an excuse as a player, coach, or staff, once you get in there, hey, you know, Because if you got a playoff game at home, and you get the shit kicked out of you by the pack of the day,

they ain't got nothing to do with the tours and all that and this at that point now. Unless they know your place. Yeah, it's going to be loud. Every time you turn on ESPN or any network, you're going to be talked about, that's an extra weight. But to be an excuse to say that they can't win,

will it be tougher? Yeah, for sure. But I think they can still get the job done and win the games. And ultimately, win a Super Bowl is hard. You're three-time champ. It's tough to do. A lot of things got to go right. but you got one of the better quarterbacks in the lead.

You got a decent roster around them. I still think they can get over that hump and win. But Jerry running the show. A lot of distractions, man. I'm saying it's a lot of distractions. I think that's the key word. Distractions. It's a lot of them.

You've got to be like a certain type of guy. Today's days, the guys are different. They're not wired in like the old guys used to be. So they're looking around. They're always looking for that next opportunity to sell my brand. all right so yeah it's like this isn't the same guy to guys you used to coach the michael irvin it's not those guys this is a totally different new era well and that's and you can't blame them because it's literally all been surrounding them that this is just a reality their entire lives

they've been surrounded by this and like capitalizing off opportunities and bringing a lot of money a lot of these guys are making a lot of money very very young so brand building and money and business and everything is very it's something that's just who they are at this stage of life and I think everybody's going to be going forward. But I think even back in the day, if social media was as prevalent as it was right now, I think Michael Orver might have got distracted a little bit with the business opportunities. Like, not that he wasn't before. Playmaker would certainly show up on Sundays and ball out.

Mike would have handled it. I don't give Mike his due. I think that's what you're saying. If you're the fans, they take everything the debuts saying it's like, yeah, now imagine if football was the main focus. and everything else wasn't, you know, secondary, where it's flipped. It's like they have a lot of good players. They have all these things, but it still seems like at the end of the day, like they're the most valuable franchise in the world.

And that is the end-all, be-all. Like football, obviously, if you win, like, that will help that. But at the end of the day, like all the other stuff comes before the actual football does. Yeah, like it feels like the rise of the Cowboys is because of Jerry and the fall of the Cowboys is because of Jerry. Like what he has done to build the Cowboys, the reason the Cowboys are the Cowboys is because of Jerry Jones and that was very necessary for the NFL like that was the big thing learning from the documentary was realizing you know how small compared to today is the NFL was in the 80s in 90s and Jerry helped build all that and it was awesome and you needed the soap opera you

needed to build the brand of the team because the Cowboys are kind of the first and then everyone else followed but that was to get money and to make the league successful like now every team is worth billions of dollars and now the league is successful so all that stuff that made the Cowboys, you know, great in this soap opera, in the most valued franchise in football, is now the same exact thing that is killing their entire franchise. Maybe, maybe. Maybe. I might win.

That's why we got, that's why I don't like all the definites. Like, Nico down there in Dallas with the Mavericks, like, if he ends up getting a team, if he ends up building a team within the next couple of years, everybody that's saying you're the biggest dofist of all time has to, like, kind of sit on. Yeah, but, like, Nico had a half percent chance to win the first pick, and he got it, and they got Cooper flag and that's going to work out for Nico and it's great

but that was fucking lucky excuse me but I didn't realize I was dropping F ball it's pretty jacked up but now with the Cowboys it's different

like if Nico doesn't get the first pick and they end up with some guys I'm saying they do they did yeah I'm just saying about the reality of the situation that didn't happen

they're straight to shitter then yeah they don't get the one yes we agree but they did so the reality of situation is Nico could say knew there was always possibility

we get the number one overall pick, especially with these things, it ends up happening. People say it was half percent. You know, half percent I'll trade Luca. Yeah. And then you know, like there's a way that he could spin that as being a success. It's just like the Atlanta Falcons when they draft Michael Pennick. Right after Kirk Cousins, they pay him $180 million. They draft Michael Pennix. We all kill him. We all kill him. Pretty big. And then Michael Pennix ends up being their starter because Kirk goes through a funk. It's like, all right, I guess maybe they had a plan there. Jordan Love draft, Green Bay Packers. Same exact thing. We all kill them. It's like

sports are interesting. Jerry might get arch. There's a chance. They might get arch in the next two years. His arch. Well, yeah. Do they want him? Or Jeremy Smith.

So there is. But you're just saying, like, you never, it could end up working out very well for Jerry. Definitely. But it's just all the shit that happens on the day-to-day that makes you wonder, like, is 20-25 the right time to have all that distraction and still win? I don't know. You're going to have to get people to lock there. I will say this. Everybody that I know that's work for the Cowboys loves Jerry.

That he gives you everything you need and ask for. as a coach or a manager to win. And so I am a fan of Jerry and Steve, and I think they'd be fun to work for. But man, those distractions would drive me personally crazy. Yeah, I guess the weight room watching is a hilarious ass, just people walking through the thing. Mike McCarthy was the same, though.

I mean, he didn't say one bad thing about Jerry. Yeah, I love Jerry. That was fresh, like that was right after he got let go. Fresh out of the entire situation. Now, let's go to a guy who's experiencing something brand new, who's very good as an NFL coach for a long time. Last night, we felt it. Oh, boy.

We're there in Chapel Bill. Hey, that first drive, I would say five minutes before kickoff, maybe 10, 10 minutes before kickoff, kickoff, first drive, touchdown. Here we go. Place going crazy, light show, new light show in the stadium. Okay, then Pidi Poblo out there. Oh, yeah. Petey Pee Poo. T.C. who kind of stole Pee Poblo. I'm going to say it.

Pee Poblo comes on a screen and says, North Carolina, then they start playing a song. North Carolina is one. walking out from the tunnel, but the entire stadium's dark. They're up on a jumbo tron up here. Pidi Pablo is North Carolina going to raise the... Starts playing. I'm like, this is awesome. Lights start hitting on the seats.

It's like North Carolina's doing it, but... TCU, middle of as beach dropping on that, jogs out, booze from everywhere. Oh, no. So now the Pee-D-Pablo thing is dead. Just TCU stole it. Just completely stole it with the booze. So we're like, oh, no. we got to recalibrate here

change the song up there then the boys come out place goes apes shit then that was the first time the lights were on the place was packed 20 minutes before that game was about to be kicked off

it was not packed out there was a lot of seats there was still a lot of seats we're doing that kickoff show and I think Matt Barry said like this place is gonna be packed and full of energy

and I looked around I mean Des looked around and we hope so man we are literally hoping and it did and I think with the hills and the traffic to get in there I think that's a tough place

to navigate Yeah, how's good tailgating, too. They had great tailgating, baby. It's all tailgating. Yeah, perfect weather. It was... Great setup, so I saw some real nice barbecue rigs. Oh, yeah.

Jordan brand on it. Yeah, there are some good stuff. Fill up goes crazy. T.C. almost steals it. They come back. Place goes apes shit. They get the ball. Interesting little coin toss there, you know,

because they deferred until the second half. Asked the North Carolina guys what they wanted to do. Look like there was a little bit of confusion. Bill Belichick's situational football here. This is the first time we get an opportunity to do that. Want the ball. don't want to kick both halves here. Yep.

That's what you want to do. The refs says that. You want the ball. Got it. Okay? You'll take the ball. Kick off. They go down and score.

The place goes crazy. We're sitting there. This place is going to host college football playoff game. We're saying that. This is going to be a college football playoff game here. Bill Belichick, of course. We just saw what Matt Patricia did to the Texas offense. Bill Belichick, obviously, doesn't matter if he's got all the five stars.

He's going to be able to out navigate out-coach. He's going to be the superior product on the field. He's going to be a. Bill Belichick team. That's what was being said. Sure. By us and everybody on this. Place was going crazy. Music, all of it. All the lights. It turned off the lights

after a touchdown did the whole thing. It was like, this is what it is. Welcome North Carolina back to Big Time Football. It changed. They scored a lot of points. Pretty crazy. That other team scored a lot of points. And it all goes back to there was one timeout where they didn't play music. It was just a band playing.

Oh, geez. Lights were out. Dorn a timeout. Just band playing over there Drumline did a great job early Just band playing over there I felt it I felt the entire Here comes the storm

And on the other side It was a TCU Smack in a Moth's vest You know there's a lot of things That are going to happen here You know Johnson comes in at the end of the game After snapping his leg in half last year What a great story

He throws a touchdown to his little brother That was cool for the North Carolina Tar Heels But I think we all were reminded TCU's going to go football Yes, they do. Now, I even said during my pick, DCU's got a lot to pull from here. The only reason why we're here is because Bill Belichick is here. Like, let's just, they knew that, they heard that.

They had 16 returning starters, a lot of vets, quarterback can spin it. And Sonny Dykes, I think, really love this as opening night for his team. And they put on quite a show, and they beat the hell out of North Carolina last night. Boy, did they ever. And I don't know what the Tar Heels look like. They got Charlotte on Saturday. Charlotte is in North Carolina Good opportunity

Okay, that is a short week They got Charlotte A lot of people around there saying If we were to won last night Bill was going to be miserable Because we got Charlotte coming up If we were to lose tonight Is Charlotte coming?

Boy, it's going to be bad It is, it's a big one on Saturday for this North Carolina team Debutch, you were down there It's on the ground You've seen it for yourself Yeah Desmond said on the kickoff show

He's picking TCU But I'm pulling for these North Carolina guys, it felt like there was two different levels on the field last night for most of everything but the first drive. How long is it take for Bill Belichick's coaching and development to kick in for that North Carolina team to become a squad? You know, what are your thoughts? I mean, look, look, the coaching, look, I trust Bill. Bill knows football. The guys are going to be prepared. You mentioned Maddie P. Maddie P's dealing with different ingredients, you know, different ingredients going into that recipe. So when you're especially in the college level, it's a little more

fair, a little more even picking it on the NFL level. And that college level, he was kind of late to the party with recruiting as well. One big thing that stood out yesterday, especially when we had paid on. And I talked to some guys who are tapped into the college game on the sideline before the game. Nobody had a clue what that UNC team, what that roster was going to look like. Nobody knew. Yeah, they couldn't tell me five players on that roster. So that was alarming. You mentioned Sonny Dikes and this team. We know it's a talented ball club. I don't know if it turns around.

I don't know if it gets better. It was ugly last night. It started great. Look, it can never take that first drive away from that first. Hey, that's what it's supposed to be. Came out and executed it. It was great environment. MJ in the building.

LT's back. They didn't get to play. None of them ran out of that tunnel to smoke. But it's going to be a job. Randy, it's going to be there with him. I would always say this. Coaches don't get to play. Nope.

you've got to have players, and they don't have any players. Yeah, but if you're a player, they don't have any players. Look, there are other tied in white and purple, they have players. Yes. All right, and Sonny Dex is one hell of a coach. I actually coached with his dad Spike, who was a great man, a hell of a coach, built Texas Tech back up. But coaches, they don't win games.

Players win games. Coaches lose games. All right. You can have the greatest, they had the greatest coach in the world. You ain't got no players. You ain't got no chance. but you got to think all those things you just mentioned

if you're a high school kid and you see Lawrence Taylor and Michael Jordan and all these legends at a game you might think okay that's cool but I believe they already got like the number one QB

of one of the draft classes coming up yeah I was going to say there's plenty of time to switch that around I hope so when these kids decommit now all about the cash brother

yeah exactly and if they're leaning on that like you think Michael Jordan's coming next week. After last night, you think Michael Jordan's flying? I will say this. I know Michael Jordan gets a, I assume UNC Duke, every time it's played there, fills up that stadium. 51,000 is max capacity. I assume he goes to the basketball games and gets a lot of love. I mean, that was 51,000 people strong, given MJ a lot of love. I mean, Coach Williams is sitting right next to him. They're not, not even a thing. Not even a thing. Yeah, right. And it's just

like, there's Michael Jordan right here. Don't worry about his next to him, a couple national champions. Just look at Michael Jordan, and at the beginning, whenever he got a 51,000 going strong for him, it was awesome. Place one, crazy. Fireman was amazing. What we felt that first drive, they're going to be hunting that. That is everything we need. That is what we're searching for. And for the TCU team, all of us on the set talking before the game and everybody that was on the field very much understood that you had all the motivation in the world.

Nobody was talking about you guys at all. But to be clear, your game is probably on Saturday at noon. If not. So you're on Monday night because of Bill Bill. It's a showcase. And it was great for your team to go and kill it. And they did dominate. And that Hoover, boy.

Oh, he can spin it. He can spin it. Yes, he can. And running back, he can spin it. Interesting. Coach, what's the message to the team after that? You know, you come out there, you give up. You have all these expectations. You have all these eyes.

You're trying to. Seriously, you're building a new culture. And you're dealing with much younger kids now, but what's the message to that team in the locker room if you are Bill Belichick going forward? Honesty. Honesty. You've got to be honest with the guys.

Look, this is what we did good. This is what we did bad. We did a lot of bad, all right? We can't get our ass kicked up front like they kicked our ass. We got to get better in the trenches on both sides quick. And for Bill, it's all about fundamentals. You know, Bill. I mean, he's just going to go back to the fundamentals and do his thing.

They'll be well coached. We all know that. And, but old saying you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. They're the truth. All right, and that's the first time Carolina football ever looked like that. I've watched Carolina football for a long, long time. And they've never had that atmosphere. Oh, you're talking about the vibes.

The vibe at their basketball school. Yes. Now, Matt did a couple, he had a couple great teams, but Carolina has never known for football. I mean, they're the tailgate city. And it's like, that was a great vibe to see. Now, if they can build off that, that'd be awesome. Yeah, it would be awesome. If they had 30 recruit, top recruits there, they, they, leave them, leave it to first quarter.

First drive. Yeah, right. I'll tell you that first drive. All right, we got a lot of people at the FBI. That's like, I don't know what he's telling his team, but I am pretty sure Bill knew that they were going to get the doors blowing off them going into that game. If we're talking about a guy who would go in on Saturdays or Fridays and tell the entire team how an NFL game is going to go, and then for that to happen in an NFL game,

like I'm assuming he knew Sonny Dykes is going to beat the piss out of my boys tonight, but this is a three-year thing. I don't know, dude. I was talking to the, I'm telling you, I don't. He don't think like that. No, that ain't ever entered his mind. It's a pair. He also never said, hey, have fun out there.

I think there's a different bill, and he's telling guys to have fun. I'm assuming he knew, hey, I got a bunch of guys who were coming from Holy Cross. I'm assuming my center's probably going to give a half hour, you know, pump up speech before the game. That was a lot of time. And then we're going to go out there and get killed, but that's okay because I signed a 10-year deal. I'm going to be here for all 10 of them. And probably halfway through this, we might turn it around a little bit.

Congrats to TCU, huge weight. Amen. Their Twitter X account. Hey, social media folks. Good work. They're ready. They're ready for a day. Their general manager, Ryan Dorchester, Door, used to be equipment manager at WVU whenever I was there.

Great, dude. Now he's the GM. Wow. I did not know that. I should have known that. I saw him right before I go out to do the show. And I go, dude, good to see you or whatever. He's like, yeah, I'm GM here or whatever.

I'm like, that's sick because he worked his way up into the coaching ranks and everything like that and through football ops. And he was with Dana for a little bit. And then I think he was somewhere else. And then now he's the GM there. And, boy, it really felt like they were excited for the opportunity. I think they were very pumped. I think they didn't know exactly what Bill's team was going to look like because I think we all, there was a chance.

Nobody did. There's a chance that Bill was going to be able to get these guys we've never heard of. It's all had perfect. They didn't have spring ball. These guys were only here for training camp. Seventy new guys. Three weeks. We thought there was a chance that he was going to be able to get, you know, schemes in it.

Of course. And maybe keep the under, too. Keep this a low score. needed that. Instead, TCU said we'll get it. We got, no problem, we'll go get it ourselves. He should have got Mattie P to send Cato Bowns and some of the other players over there. Definitely needed that. We should have given

we need to give more love to TCU. Yeah, definitely. And Saturday is a big one for UNC. I mean, this is a this is a must win for the U.S. Lans 14 and a half now. This is a big one for the Tar Heels. I think he needs to go with Johnson's boy.

Yeah, I think you're right. Big Bad Brad Johnson. He was slinging it. I think he needs to kind of be the guy. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, joining us now. He is here for Gold Bar Whiskey, the official whiskey of the San Francisco 49ers. They have a first ever collab drink with somebody. Now, I was not able to enjoy it this morning.

It's called the Joe Montana Gold Bar, Double Gold. Double gold. Double gold. Double gold. We knew that was the name. Yep. Didn't we, B.A. We talked about the name all morning.

All day. Double. Well, maybe all day. We'll see. We probably will. Ty, you tried one of these things. I did. It's a mule, right?

It's whiskey. Yeah, pretty much a whiskey mule. It was delicious. And I'm not usually a canned cocktail guy. It is something that seems delightful early. It's with that man. Ladies and gentlemen, four-time Super Bowl champion,

three-time Super Bowl MVP, five-time All-Pro and eight-time Pro Bowl. ladies and gentlemen, Paizano greatness, Joe Montana. Thank you, guys. Oh, my. How's everybody? Well, we've already had a couple of double golds over here. How are you?

Hey, you know what? I'm doing great. Just happy to be a part of. I've had a great connection with these guys. And it's also, you know, part of the 49ers are involved. And the drink, and you said it best, I'm usually not a canned cocktail person either, but this has been something that was developed and it's pretty refreshing.

And I have a friend of mine who tried it, who doesn't like whiskey at all. And he says, now that he has it, he drinks one every night. Okay, boom. Yeah, and it's available in retailers now around California and on their website, gold bar whiskey.com, along with the retro bourbon that. they're doing for it's an 85 proof for in coordination with the Super Bowl coming back to here that was here in 85 in San Francisco and it's another thing that we're involved with that I'm involved with that I think people are going to love 85 proof whiskey 8% alcohol can I mean we got

some good stuff coming out of gold bar distillery out here you're right happy you're involved with it all happy that San Francisco 49ers and you are still so damn synonymous what do you think about this season. It feels like Christian McCaffrey back, healthy is a much better place to be than where we were literally one year ago. When we just learned, I don't know how much you knew before everybody else, when we find out that Christian McCaffrey has the word Achilles involved in anything, we obviously immediately worried. It was tendonitis. He basically missed all year. We found out like three days before the season started. That kind of dampered everything. And I think the season went, this year feels like could be a bounce back year for the Niners in a big way.

How do you feel? yeah i think so i mean they definitely have the team to be able to go in and compete with anybody um you know obviously with christian coming back is a huge plus of that offense takes a lot of pressure off the quarterback um so i and i think he got a little uh feeling the pressure where he felt like he had to do and contribute more instead of just going and you know doing what he'd done uh for his whole life and just be yourself and we always have that tendency that we want to make the change and make it quick, and now we've got to make something happen. And so I think he just got caught up in that,

and I think you'll see a different player coming up this year. You like Brock Purdy a lot, Joe? Have you got the chance to talk to him? It feels like you guys have similar mindsets. I'm not 100% sure if you feel that way, but he seems to be ultra-competitive and very cool, which obviously you have similar traits. Yeah, I mean, I really like him.

He usually doesn't make a lot of mistakes, and, you know, he's careful with the football. He's got great placement of it, as you can see here. And I just think he's got the right demeanor. And, you know, everybody has those kind of years. I had them. You can go and look around to anybody, Brady, everybody. You know, when injuries start taking place, you know, your whole team changes.

And then the quarterback seems sometimes that it's all rides on their back, that they sometimes believe. And so they start doing things they wouldn't normally do. But I think it'll be fine. Shanahan's offense has a lot of running, law of power. You know, obviously we've seen Trent in motion and everything like that.

The Philadelphia Eagles just blew out the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. It feels like we're getting back to some power football. Do you like that, Joe? I feel like we, football people all enjoy the way it's headed as opposed to where we all thought it was going to go. It feels like it's cyclical right now.

Yeah, I always said, you know, when you go back and you look at the teams who win consistently, they always got a pretty good running game, and they stay consistent with it. And obviously, Philly has had that. But I also saw some guy named McAfee on a couple highlights a little while ago. You're running with the ball. Come on, Joe. kicking the ball. You know, I'm from Pittsburgh, bro. You get it. You know, you understand that this happens.

I got you. I just want to let you know. It didn't go unnoticed. He did a little bit of everything. I love it. Twitter. But that's going to be on my descriptor now. Joe Montana saw me make some plays, complimented it. That's huge for me, Joe. Pison, I want to let you know that it's gigantic for me. Yeah, I think physical football is a good thing for our sport.

And I think it's also, anytime we've got the trenches, kind of deciding games, which I think we're at the point again once it being that, I think that's how the game was supposed to be played. Ty has a question for you about that Super Bowl. Yeah, Joe, when you look at the Chiefs, you know, because they got beat so bad by the Eagles, I think everyone's kind of just writing them off this year. and maybe it's chiefs fatigue.

Everyone thinks, hey, they had their run. They're kind of done. But with the documentary coming out, the kingdom on ESPN, that kind of, you know, goes over the dynasty that they've created and everything, do you think Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, Andy Reid, and the Chiefs are poised to have a big year this year? Because it feels like nobody's really given them a realistic shot to win the Super Bowl. Well, you know, we all always obviously have an offensive player,

but everybody points to the offense. but really when it comes down to it, the teams that win consistently up there have a pretty good defense. And you can go back over the years where we were. We had, I always argue with Ronnie a lot about what was our better teams because we had a little bit more offense

later in the years when you got Jerry Rice and that. But I think they're fine. But you've got to be able to stop people also. And I think that's the thing about it is you can go back and look and they just didn't. and they couldn't stop Philadelphia. And when you can't do that, you know, you can score a lot of points,

but you keep getting outscored. And although this was not that way. And like I said, we all, guys who have had great years go back. You can go back when Danny came here. Unfortunately, Danny and I have great friends, but had a great year. But our defense was number one. And everybody forgot about that. And then you go back when we played the Broncos in the Super Bowl.

Just bad days. It started off bad for me, too. Even Dave Craig said, you were MVP in this game? It gets a little better. Yeah, we all have those kind of days. And I think that's, you know, the chiefs been there, done that, kind of maybe a little complacent,

thought everybody was overlooking him, but the Philly would push on Philly. But Philly had a good team, good team. Great team. They're able to get home. with just four guys, too. I think that was the offense aligned seemingly. They had a guard playing tackle.

They really didn't have to figure it out. Anytime Patrick Williams is running for his life in a Super Bowl, feels like they're not going to win. Ain't that right, B, A, ain't that right, B.A. I think Vic took a nice lesson from our, and Todd did a great job of taking our front four and getting after Patrick. I think he ran five miles that night. But one of the greatest throws I've ever seen right in front of me,

he's laying prone, about to hit the ground, throws it, and hits a guy right in the face mask, and he drops it. And Michael, Mike Evans and Chris Gavin go, he's unbelievable. Yes, he is. Yes, he is, always will be. I'm excited to hear your answer to his question, actually, here in a couple moments, Joe, the two goats chit-chatting about a position we obviously have massive respect for. Another person we assume you have respect for.

Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Joe, speaking to Casey, you were there when Schottenheimer was there, and now his son is heading into his first year as a head coach of the Cowboys. How do you think he's going to do? And what do you think he needs to do to establish, you know, his culture, that is a old school Schottenheimer culture all the way back to Casey or his kind of new take on the Dallas Cowboys culture. Well, you know, I'll take a page out of Bill Walsh's book and say, you know, when things

were always going bad or falling apart, and I alluded to it a little bit earlier where everybody wants to try to make something happen. Instead of going back to the fundamentals, we went back to the fundamentals. He would go backwards, not forward, not looking for something new. I'm going to go back to what I know we do. And that's what he needs to do when he gets with the Cowboys. Go in there. And like Pat said, you know,

we've got to get that running game going, take some pressure off the quarterback. And because there's a lot on him for sure. Playing where he's playing. And, you know, the contract and controversial, all those things. They need to get the ball out of his hand as much as they can and that you do that with the running game.

And so hopefully they can get that established and get back to the old school. cowboy football. Jerry Jones wants to get back to that old school. Yes, he does. We watch that documentary. I'll tell you what, I did not know you'd get $100 million just from one oil rig, though. That was back in the day, too.

Yeah, imagine that. That's what, believe me, I was watching that. He's like a scratch-off. He's kind of saying it's like a scratch-off. Speaking of, Powerball's $1.3 billion. Yeah, it's up there. Look alive. That's tomorrow night. Can't win if you don't play. Exactly.

It sounds like those, I could buy. a lot of gold ball or double golds. Amen. Can I? Could have a double, and maybe even that 85 proof bourbon whiskey we got up there. You can't enjoy it if you don't try it.

Exactly. And you can't win if you don't play. Hey, I like what we're doing here, Joe. All right, last question before BA and you put together a segment on this show that's going to be talked about for a long, long time. Go ahead, Debuck. Yeah, Joe, you kind of alluded to earlier

in that Bronco Super Hot started ugly, but you had a great comeback. You were named the comeback kid, Joe, cool, all those things. what is the difference we're like those great quarterbacks I'll play against Peyton or Brady or Big Ben and those second half adjustments

were just huge what's going through your mind to play caller's mind when it comes to making those adjustments and being in the middle of these big comebacks yeah I think

the big issue is just trying to get back within what you were doing usually when you start making mistakes you're outside of your comfort zone and I mean I mean, in that Super Bowl, I was skipping balls to the ground, so was John. And he, Dave Craig, he's laughing at both of us.

But, you know, you just get settled back into the game. And what I really like to do was get hit early, hit me early. And that wasn't happening. I didn't get hit early. And you just don't, you can't get into the flow of the game until you get, you know, a 300-pounder land on top of you. Yeah, of course. wakes you back up and you get right back and then now you know hey I don't know what else is going on but I need to get back to what I know I do best and that's what we that's what we did and we got back to our typical game plan and you know we knew they did certain things where we could get a lot of chances down the field deep with Jerry and John and so we ended up trying to just work that and you go to go to your sweet spot and that's what we did with them well it worked out

yeah everything about you yeah everything about you's great and now we're moving some whiskey mules russian mule and if you scan a QR code that's on one of these cans yeah just kidding dude throwback old throwback jersey yeah it's clean this is really clean shirt as soon as tie saw that this is potentially available scan the QR code of me had to now i i do believe it's going to be a little difficult to go pick up the shirt if you do not live near the gold bar distillery correct yeah you got to pick it up in san francisco so If you're taking the trip out there? Get yourself in Treasure Island.

Well, you'll be out here for the Super Bowl, so you'll be... Scan away. There we go. I'm going to scan 10 of these things. I'm only 10 shirts. I can't wait for it. They're great shirts. Joe, you're the man.

Bruce has a question for you here, and I'm excited and eager to hear this, actually. Yeah, Joe, I just wish you all the best, too, and especially in this endeavor. If you were a general manager head coach today, pick the top three quarterbacks you want to start your franchise with. And why? I like this. I like this. And that Brock Birdie, you can't take Brock. Boom.

Okay, Brock is your number one pick. We know that. Yep. So you love Brock Bernie. You love Brock Bernie. Yeah. I'm taking the guy in Buffalo. Okay.

Josh Allen? Yeah. Josh. You know, the guy that surprised me that I thought would, obviously, Joe Burroughs, another guy. I like a lot. Okay. And believe it or not, I like it. like the guy in the chart with the chargers just uh yeah herbert i think they just kind of

they've kind of kind of gone by the wayside there but uh i don't know i just like i just like the way they all those three guys are b a how do you feel about his talk i do like i do also like the guy in philly though i won a super bowl we do we do like him brock party obviously number one he was left out right josh allen joe burrow justin herbert and jaylon Hertz is his Mount Rushmore outside of Brock Freddie. B.A., did you expect that from Joe Montana? I thought he might have thrown Patrick

Mahomes in there, but, you know, I think it states how good. I think I would have if he was younger. Oh, it's your GM. Although I've got to go back, they're not getting hit as much today, so we'd probably play forever. So I should probably add it Patrick in there.

I think, Joe, for us, it states how well we are in National Football League right now with quarterbacks. I think everybody's worried about where these quarterbacks come. We've got some really great young quarterbacks in the league right now, and I think the league's in a great show. Next generation, right? He's in a good spot.

It's in really good shape. I went for youth. Yeah, you're running a 10-year business plan here, just like. You want them stay on the rookie contracts, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, we're getting some free agents out here somewhere. We need to pay. Yeah, double gold with some people, you know, we'll have a good time.

Well, we appreciate you, Joe. Good luck with the double gold. Congrats on another. assume very successful business venturing. Good luck to your Niners this year. I appreciate it. Thank you and hope to see you in the nine. Yeah, you will. I love that place. Ladies and gentlemen,

Montana. Yeah, go. I'd assume that's where he is right now. Is that Ellison? Yeah, yeah. You know, and just bought it. Just bought the place. It's. It's not good. It's a terrible place. Yeah, I was going to say. You better. It's horrendous. Don't go there.

Don't go there. Do not. Do not, please. It is really far away, but it is beautiful. I mean, basically, it sounds like everything sweet and cool in places to go to are... Really far away. Really far away. Yeah, Australian-A-W-W-I. If it's Joe's place, you know it's cool, because he invented cool.

Yeah, legit. Always just like this. How about him waking up? Yeah. Oh, boys. I mean, does B.A. know the story? Which one? Of him stopping a kidnapping with a football?

Yeah, so it has not been... The details have not... up in exactly confirmed. They've never been denied. Or denied, we shall say. Somebody tried to kidnap his grandbaby, and he stopped it. That's actual

story. Now, how did he stop it? We've exercised our minds a little bit to see how it could have went. He's upstairs. Somebody comes in through downstairs, can see the stairs, maybe a spiral staircase. It's down there at the bottom. Kidnapper comes in, give me you

baby. Joe Montana. Excuse me? Here's that upstairs. He steps out. He sees it. He actually kicks the plaque. Yeah. That has the football from the catching it, I think.

Boom. Grab's that ball. Throws that thing down the stairs. Kidnapper. Holding baby. Tidespire. Right here. Bang!

Right in the forehead. Boom. He slides down ramp. Catching kidnapper. Before head hits ground and baby hits ground. Snags baby. Foot on top of kidnapper. something like a call 911.

Yep. That's what Joe Montana did, and that's what Joe Montana does. That's Joe. What else do you do? Exactly. That's why we say that had to be out of what. Had to be out of what.

But that's a real situation that did happen. Somebody tried to kidnap his grandbaby, and he actually stopped it. Wild times to be alive. Shout to Joe Montana. Shout to UBA. We have a new segment that we're probably going to be doing each and every week with our guy here.

And it's because he knows so much. And also, he has a little. way of explaining things that are no BS, or are they? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to BS or no BS with BA. Okay, what we're going to do is put some statements up here, and BA is going to tell us if this statement is BS or no BS. Pretty easy. Pretty easy segment. Yeah. Let's start with the first one here. Michael Parsons, is worth two first round picks. Is that BS or no BS? Is that BS? B.A. That's no bullshit, brother. He's the best game record in the game right now. Okay, so you agree with that? I'm giving two plus maybe a fifth.

We all thought it was going to be a lot more than just two first round. I was shocked. This was all it was. How come that's always the case? It feels like whenever a player gets traded. It's always for something much smaller than we expect. I think Randy Moss was traded for a fourth rounder at one point, and I remember reacting in a way like Randy Moss is only worth a fourth rounder. Why does it always feel like they go for a little bit less, especially if it's not right before draft time? And Michael Parsons, do you think there was a little personal stuff that got in the way and why it was only two first rounders. Yeah, I think

this was a deal that was going to be done because of what was happening with the negotiations. You think, Jared, just wanted a deal done. Let's get it out of here. The guy, Kenny Clark, they've got to stop the Eagles. They've got to beat the Eagles. I agree with Jerry saying, we've got to stop the run. Micah, probably could do that a little bit. I know if they

go to third down, he's going to win. So get him in third down. But I think in Green Bay now, he would be a true game wrecker versus the Vikings. The teams are throwing the ball in the NFC North. I think it's great for the Packers.

I think it's good for the Cowboys. I think it's good for both parties. I think it's great for us. Dallas Cowboys traded Michael Parsons in the middle of the Dallas documentary marketing. Jerry. That's what?

Always cooking. All right, let's go to the next statement. Shall we? Shottie will be a good head coach because his dad was a good head. coach. Is that definite, is that BS or no BS, BA? I think that's total BS. Okay. Well, no, no. What I'm talking about? Because I think Scottie would be a good head coach because he's Shadi. He's an offensive guy, first of all. His dad was ultimate defensive coach.

I worked for his dad and head coached the running backs. And my son and Shadi were ball boys together. But I think he'll be a hell of a head coach. But he's been around really good ones. He saw it since he was this tall. He knows how to do it. He's got his own philosophy. And You know, being an offensive guy is totally different than being a defense guy as a head coach. And Tom Brady was the first one to tell me that I was the first head coach that it was ever an offensive guy for Tom. And I think Brian would do a hell of a job. What's the difference? What did Tom say?

Just you, the focus being more offensive as opposed to defense wanting to win in practices and such? A minute, 10 left at the half. We're winning by seven. We're just going to run it out, right? Hell no, bro. We're going to go score. Got it. Let's go.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Offense coordinator. We get the ball back to start the second. Let's go score and let's score again. There's a lot of biscuits out there to get. That might be a part of this entire thing. All right, let's go with the next one, shall we? Yeah, speaking of Tom Brady, Bruce,

Tom Brady says Aaron Rogers is the best ball thrower of all time. Is that BS or no BS, B.A? That's a little BS, because Aaron can't spin it. But nobody can spend it better than Dan Moreno. I'm a little more biased toward Johnny Initus. I'm a little older. I thought he was the greatest passer of all time. Okay, so Johnny United is, because of how old you were whenever you saw it,

like, for instance, there's a nostalgia thing with Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan changed basketball so much. But when we were watching the last dance, people that didn't watch the NBA back then were like, okay, obviously basketball was at a much different spot before Michael Jordan and then after Michael Jordan. Was Johnny United States at Trailblazer with Howie threw the ball? Like Ray Guy was with punting, for instance. Ray guy started turning those things over and it was like, what is this guy? Now everybody does that.

But is that the same thing you're thinking for Johnny Unitas, or was it just like elite ball throwing ability? He was just a great passer of the football. And there's one thing that's throwing the football and passing the football. It's different. Passers don't necessarily have great velocity. They have great accuracy. Joe, Montana, didn't have great velocity. He's just super accurate on time.

New one of where he was going all the time. But for me, I have to say Danny Marino. Pittsburgh guy. I'm okay with you saying that. Dan the mayor. Pittsburgh Italian guy getting after it. His quick release was obviously what everybody chats about, but what else was it? He had velocity.

He had accuracy. You know, when I first started coaching, I backed up Don Strachan college, and he's down there with the dolphins, and I go down to practice. And I was like, holy shit, this guy's better than I've thought he was. Because Don could spend, Don led the nation and passing in college. And we played seven games in the rain at Virginia Tech. And so, it's like, this guy's battling Mother Nature. Yeah, I do. Yeah, and it was like, boy, I thought Don was great.

I see Danny, I say, oh, it's a different level. Okay, so Aaron Rogers is in the conversation. Oh, he's in the conversation because I think Aaron can throw it any different way he wants to throw, and he's got that little flick. That's just so special. Jordan Love kind of copied it, and Jordan's getting pretty daggone good, too. What do you think about Aaron with the Pittsburgh Steelers? Obviously, you know the Pittsburgh Steelers very well.

Yeah, it's an upgrade. It's an upgrade for me. I just, you know, they better protect him. They better protect him. They didn't protect Russell. They better protect it. You're worried about that offensive line, sounds like. It's young.

Let's go to one half of the hammer. Don, Cowboys, over in Hammer. Dahn, ladies and gentlemen, AP Tone. A. P. Tone, how you doing, buddy? Good to see. How you guys doing? Doing good. Hey, he said Aaron Rodgers needs to be protected, or it doesn't matter who's playing court. That's basically what you just said right there, B.A., exactly. Yeah, it's an upgrade, certainly, but if we can't protect him, who cares?

Coach is what B.A. just said. Coach is not wrong. That is the number one concern going into the season with the whole team. but last year's number one over our number one pick for the Steelers Troy Fautano who was hurt most of last year but looked great he's back at right tackle Broder Jones is back at left tackle where he

belongs. Frazier's at center and then you know they got two guards. McCormick was a rookie last year. So they're all very young, they're all one year older. They're all talented but you know the thing with Aaron is too like he's at least how I feel he's going to get them in the right

looks like he's going to like he is going to check into the right play always and forever. So I feel like just Aaron being back there, no disrespect to Russ, and it's not like Russ wasn't a veteran quarterback, but I just trust Aaron to always make the right decision. And Aaron knows that. So I feel like Aaron's

Aaron and Artie Smith are going to have a plan for that. Do you agree with what he just said there? You think getting in the right position helps, and will Artie Smith understand that maybe the offensive line isn't having a great? Can you play call out of a bad offensive line? We've had a bunch of injuries in the past. We knew we had to protect. You know, go back to Andrews,

rookie year. Oh, yeah. You know, who got hurt McGlynn and AQ got to go in Block Sue? Let's give him a little help. But I'll tell you what, Q blocked his ass the whole game. Yes, he certainly didn't. Then he got a job for the next

10 years because of it. And that's certainly a reason why. Let's go in Q. AQ, absolute dog. Had to do it. Had the opportunity. Had to get those short little arms, 29 inches. I had to get those things out there at before just getting eaten alive.

I appreciate the fact, though, that right now, Steelers fans feel as if they can win a Super Bowl. And I think that's a good thing to have before the season, right, Tone? Yes, absolutely. 100%. Okay. Now, I don't know if everybody else feels that way, especially with how Stack the AFC is, but making that move and all the other moves that they made, they pay DeKF 30 million a year. He's never been a Steeler before. They bring in Jalen, they pay him, John O'Smith.

They bring him in. Feels like the Steelers are going all in. Very abnormal for how the Steelers have always been run. but Mike Tomlin and Omar Khan making these massive plays they obviously want to go win a damn thing they want to bring 7 in that building I think Omar's doing a great job and yeah they're all in there's no doubt about it they put a lot of cash out there some older players some veteran players

and proof is always in the pudding they got a tough-ass division I mean they got to face bro twice you know it's that and easy Lamar Lamar twice Lamar has not been brought up by Joe Montana I thought Lamar was going to be for sure for sure Like, as Joe is, I was like, definitely going to be picking Lamar here, Josh Allen, okay, Joey Burroughs, probably because they get a lot of similarities. Yeah, a lot of conversation about those two. Cool Joe. Being similar.

Yeah. And then Justin Herbert coming out of nowhere, it was like, hey? That was the one that surprised me. That was the one to surprise me. And he can, he should be there. Big. Oh, he's got it all. He's got it all.

What happens? Just. Solid pieces around you, brother. I mean, quarterbacks get the blame and they get all the credit. Brady played all those years. He had a great. defense and yeah, Bill put players around him. You know, Peyton, same

thing. We started out really bad and we started putting up players on defense and build that whole thing. You're saying it's a team sport? That's the beauty of the game. We got about 10 seconds for this last one. Yeah, a lot of people saying that any QB can play and play well in Kevin O'Connell's

offense for the Vikings. Is that BS or no BS, B.A? I would say it's BS because I probably couldn't. All right, that's BS or no BES and B.A. The last one, the actual last one, and this is a quick note, go to the next one, please. Can you not risk it and still get the biscuit? Hell no. Okay. Yeah, you got a risk. Got a risk to get the biscuit. Yeah. You've seen the headlines. Heard the debates. The three-point ball has created a

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Ladies and a gentleman, a man who coached that. sport for 47 years, three-time Super Bowl champion, and is wearing the one that he won as a head coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It is big and he's blingy. Ladies and gentlemen, Kangol hat wearer, Bruce, sir. And that ring is outrageous. It's awesome. It is. Beautiful. Yeah, it's beautiful. I got to thank Darcy Casowitz Glazer. She designed it, and she's the best, one of the best owners I've ever worked for. Okay, so the Glazer family owns the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They also own Manchester United, if I'm remembering correctly. You guys went all in there. Right? It felt like you guys went on it, bringing Gronk in, bring A-B in.

Fornett. Lorner-Fernett comes in. You guys really were going for it. Obviously, Mike Evans has been paid every single year that he comes up, and I assume that's just going to happen forever. He's going to get to Larry Fitzgerald type of situation down there in Tampa, which he has certainly earned. But that Glazer family and Jason Light, the GM, seemed like you guys were all in lockstep throughout the entire process.

Is that an accurate depiction? Totally accurate. I mean, Jason doesn't get the credit he deserves. Man, one of the greatest general managers, I think, in the game. We worked together out in Arizona, and that's really why I took the job. You know, I was out of it. My son said, hey, you've got to look into this. And I really, James Winston, I had in my football camp when he was 10th grade.

And I thought we could fix it, you know. And so I took the job, and it was awesome to work for the Glazier family and Jason Light. How about how that all went, going down there to work with James, which obviously still playing? I mean, still doing this thing. 5,000 yards, 36 touchdowns. It was the last two games. He threw a couple picks that we had to look behind door number two. Now, did I ever think behind door number two would be Tom Brady?

No. But Philip Rivers, Tom Brady, somebody else that year was coming out. Drew Brees. Stafford was a variable around, I guess that was out. I think it was Drew Brees. Yeah, there might have been Drew. If I recall, Drew was going to be out. I knew Drew wasn't coming out, but Brady come out.

I mean, Philip might be our guy. And next thing you know, Tommy's all in. Yeah, I heard there was a nice meeting down there in Tampa. I heard there were some real powerful players all involved there. Maybe we're going to build up the city a little bit. We might make Tom Bradyton down here, TB, Tampa Bay. I mean, there was a lot of synergy seemingly with Tampa and Tom. But nobody thought that's where he was going to end up at.

Yeah, nobody projected. Darlington came out of nowhere because it was Tennessee with Vrable, and then it was another place then the first time was on ESPN. and Johnington came out of nowhere, and they were still using, like, the smart boards, and he wrote down on the thing. Tampa Bay Buccaneers are a team that you should look out for for Brady. Now, Tommy recruited us as hard as we recruited him, because we had everything he was looking for. He had a home in Florida.

He was on the East Coast. He wanted to see Jack. He could get up and back to New York easily. No taxes. And some pretty damn good receivers. Yeah. And a pretty good offense in line. Exactly.

And defense was fast and everybody was ready to go. And it ends up working out. What a beautiful city. Tampa Bay. Beautiful city. Great place. Hot. Well, like you said, too, the cranes and everything, that was no bullshit. We were going down there every week, and as soon as they got Tom, boom, cranes everywhere. It's like, okay, this is on right now.

And the bolts won a couple Stanley Cups. You guys obviously hosted the Super Bowl and won the Super Bowl. First ever team to do that, right? Yep. Now, so everything in Tampa was up, and then you guys had the boat parade, which was legendary, it will be forever. Unbelievable. Now, Pittsburgh has some great Super Bowl parades.

that boat parade actually got scary when I saw the aerial view there was like 5,000 boats out there people on paddle boards with no harness there's sharks in there man toxic tables here at Boston Connor Natai Schmidt 9 year NFL vet

Darius J. Butler is here one half of the hammer Cowboys is in hammer Dod! Tad! AP Tone Tone last night, Jesus What happened in North Carolina? It was all there. Was everybody hammering North Carolina?

No, everybody felt TCU was going to win. Okay. I think... Everyone handled the under, though. Everybody thought it was going to go under, and TCU said, we'll go get that. How did the betters do after last night? And what is your takeaway from the evening and what should we look at for Charlotte, maybe, for North Carolina this weekend? Yeah, to be honest, I could be wrong.

But when the lines opened up in June or July or whatever it was, I believe UNC was a slight favorite, and then it closed as TCU minus three and a half or whatever. So there was a ton of action on TCU. A lot of the offseason stuff going on in North Carolina didn't help that line. Tell you what, it was electric last night. The whole place was buzzed in that. We, and you said in the first hour, we will never, ever, ever forget that first drive.

We were on the sideline. We were telling Stanford, Steve, you know what? This might be the best team in the ACC. The ACC might be the best conference in the country is what we were saying. And can you imagine hosting a playoff game here? And then they played football for another four quarters. And it was a disaster. But you know what?

Josh Hoover looked really, really good. TCU is a good football team. I do think UNC is probably going to take it out on Charlotte this week. And I believe they got their asses beat by App State in week one. App State's good. Yeah, Walset, UNC, I don't know. I think Bill bounces. Yes, App State has gotten UNC's number in the past.

But I think Bill bounces back in week two. Yeah, all right. I love that. He has to. He doesn't have a choice. Again, Charlotte? Yeah. I mean, this is...

And by the way, Brad's boy came in at the end and was slinging. Max Johnson's, I mean, I think he's 25. He's been around a long, long time. This is third school, I do believe. He's big bad Brad's dad or his kid, and he takes shots like that and delivers a dime on third and long. So coming back from a snap leg where he has one of the most gnarly scars down his right side. He's like, T.C. really had their way, though, last night. It really did.

But that first drive, Tony, go back to your point. Is the ACC the strongest conference in football? Florida State, Miami, Clemson, now North Carolina is going to be good? We were asking, is Clemson the fifth best team in this conference now? This is a real conversation. That was his first drive. With Michael in the first drive? Kind of looked like Dylan Gabriel.

Yeah. He did kind of look like Dylan Gabriel. You're right. Except I saw, I saw Geo put all of his weight into a sturdy, 40-yard dart. No. With the conversation around the Big Ten, though, as you're saying, this when it comes to like the Big Ten having all the money. Like you would think the ACC

falls more into that category than like the SEC, right? Do you think there's a lot of money in the ACC? I think there's a lot of money in North Carolina. There's a lot of money at Duke. Not for football. Yeah, it's all... They're hoopers, right? Isn't that kind of their thing? Yeah, so only UNC is the team now that's allotting, you know, 20 plus

Yeah, so I... To that point, I guess the athletic director is going to have to make the decisions going forward. I met the athletic director last time. Bubba? I guess I said some mean stuff about Bubba Did you? Yeah, so. He deserved it, though.

At the time, I remember. I certainly think he deserved it. So I didn't remember this in the time. He walks into the production room where we're at. He walks in and he's talking to somebody over here and I'm sitting right here. And he goes, oh, Public Enemy number one's me. He points to me. I'm sitting down.

He's over here. He walks over and I stand up. I go, hello? And he goes, I'm Bubba Cunningham, the athletic director here. I go, what's up? Baba's sweet name. I'm Pat. Nice to meet you. I sit back down. and then he walks away and he like we have a quick interaction and he walks away and he stands there

and I'm like public enemy number one why do you say that that had to be for a reason that was an awkward interaction too that was not like a positive interaction what was that all about and I go oh yeah you fucked us yeah I'm going at him and I say that and he goes oh yeah I said West Virginia basketball you screwed us I do remember that that was you I said why did you do that to us and he said it was not okay we're not getting into this he said if you learn the details of how that all went down, I'm not your enemy. But I understand that I'm a head guy or whatever. I was like, oh, yeah, I said some bad stuff about you.

Okay, you did screw us, though? Don't you think? If I remember, there was all these things that we accomplished that in the history of the entire thing, if other teams had it, they all made the tournament, and then West Virginia didn't make the tournament. He was like, no, but there was a voting process. There's a lot of this year was different or whatever. It was like, okay, I apologize for what I said about you.

But I do remember going pretty hard at Old Bubba. Well, it was that. And then North Carolina got in when a lot of people said they shouldn't have. And obviously he's the AD at North Carolina. So it's, you know, kind of maybe you were right to do that at the time. Definitely. Yeah, I was loud. Boy, that's one of those things like at Radio Row when we go to the Super Bowl.

Sure. And we don't know or we forget that we offended somebody. And then that person walks up. It's like, hey, good to see you. Had a great year or whatever. It's like, they don't think that at all. I can sense that. I can sense from the end.

Completely forgot. Yeah. Recognize the name. And then I'm like, oh, yeah, Pat. kind of roasted his ass pretty good. Yeah, well, West Virginia got screwed. Yeah, exactly. His school went in. His name is Bubba Cottonenham. He's going to be all right. He's been around a long time, too. He gave me a nice

little resume check to him about how long he's been in college sport. I mean, there was a lot. There was a lot that happened there. I want to let Bubba know. I appreciate your moxie, Bubba. I do. And I hope you have that first drive. He'll remember it forever. I hope they get that first drive again. A lot of work to get back to that. Yeah. But that's what it was. I hope Lombardi was sitting in there going. This is it This is what we're talking about What we imagine

We've got to do Andy Dalton's on the sideline Randy Moss is there Aaron Boone Mia Hamm Aaron Boone was there Baseball Yeah he was

The Yankees Yeah I don't know what the fuck Aaron Boone was doing there Okay Listen the Yankees Have the most important 12 game stretch Of the season

Starting today Okay And he's there With a sweatshirt Tied around his waist Looking like an asshole So now I know Where his priorities are at

His son is on the staff At UNC I don't care. We're trying to win a pennant. Okay? I get it. That's awesome. He's not a lot of supporters. Son, do you hear what you hear what I mean? Family's everything. Family's first. Family's first. Family's first. Do you hear that? Your team's your family? I was going to say, yeah. You think Judgey's not like he doesn't love Judgey? Like he loves his own boy? I'm sure he does. He drove down in Oregon. I know. He invited Judgey with him. Judge he didn't want to go. He must stay with the baby. Really? I didn't know that. I'm glad Judge he didn't want to go. Judge he is a Jordan athlete. I assume he did get the invite. and probably could be in the middle of the field if he would like to, your reaction

to him being there last night was at and it was, I think it was sent in 100% to rile you up. Without a doubt. Multiple people sent it to me and it did it. Chat my ass right when I saw it. But I get it. He might be motivated by that first drive. He might be. You're right. Maybe he left after the

first drive. There was a lot of people thinking about doing that from what I've been told. I mean, people that I was around. Let's bottle this up, save this forever. Lombardi better have been out there. Go ahead. we made it in three months we created everything we needed and then it's just gone maybe he left after the first drive though they need to get the music at during that timeout join us now ladies and gentlemen is a man who uh is a college football national champion a super bowl

champion a rider cup winner and a man who's currently in his attic in uh ohio ladies a gentleman a j hawker how you doing buddy they had it for a drive buddy they had it they had me fooled i thought they might be able to uh continue like what they did the first drive. But going back to this Aaron Boone situation, it sounds like the big reason Ty's pissed because he had a sweatshirt tied around his waist. Is that why you were the most mad?

That's part of it. I love that. I can understand that. Yeah. It's a top of looking public. He's representing the Yankees there. What if he would put it over his shoulders? Tied over his shoulders, you know, like the frat boy.

I'm good with that. I'm good with that. Remember, you weren't allowed to have a beard for so long because you're representing the Yankees. Yeah. Go around there with Randy Moss was there. It was great to see Randy. He's with a guy named Biggie right there,

who's the Jack Stanford, Steve. named to Eric. I guess him and Randy together a lot. Biggie, big fan of the program. Nice. Biggie promoting program through Randy Moss. Nice. Yeah.

Jack Stanford, Steve, okay? Not Randy. The other guy here? Yeah, the other guy here in the photo. He is an ally of ours for Randy. And it was cool to get to meet Randy Moss last night and chat with Randy. That was my first time. Man, great seeing him back after Kim.

Dude. That was the first time? Was that the first time he was on TV since at all? Super Bowl. He did the Super Bowl? Yeah. And you did a sit down with one of the major... But that is...

That's not until Thursday. The Good Morning America one? Yeah. So that premieres on Thursday. So he's just... That was the first time I've seen him since everything. Since... Like, yeah, while I was sitting up there, I'm like, is this...

This is huge here that the world is seeing a... Yeah. ...beloved. And I let him know that, too. I was like, hey, listen, I don't know how often I'm going to get this opportunity. I want to let you know. We are all fucking very happy that you are good. You are great for society.

And him and Dion. We're my two favorite players growing up, you know? Like, I just love the moxie. There's these tales about him during the recruiting process in full jeans, just beating everybody at college practice and then getting his scholarship rejected from him because they didn't want to bring, like, everything about Randy that I've learned is legendary.

And then what he was able to do in the NFL, and if you have something named after you that is just happening on a regular basis now, you're getting Mossed. Like, you've obviously contributed to the game, but I don't think anybody can tell the story of football without saying Rainy Moss's name. And he's just a kid from West Virginia,

you know who uh won over and took over everything loves fishing loves ball and uh it was nice to be able to say that to him you know i don't think i don't think we do that enough getting a chance to do that to lee corso was cool this other day wanted randy to know that as well and i wonder where his perspective is we didn't get a chance to dive into all that but god it was good to see him and that once again north carolina got randy moss yeah on the sideline you know like it was all there a j it felt like a magical time they'll be there next week right they're going to be there next week. I don't know if everybody's booked the second week.

Charlotte Saturdays, it's quick turnaround. NFL, NFL is here too, so it's tough. Yeah, because Debutt was requested to be there maybe throughout the season, maybe Lending He or in a hand. He thought they were going to win. Me? Debutt's going to consult for them? Debutt, you bet on it?

Yeah, Debutt's actually doing some free consultation. I don't bet, but I have my question. You were in a spot where you had to pick him. Teddy probably had to pick him, too, with his relationship with Bill. Bill had, yeah, Nick had to pick him. Yeah, Nick and Nick. So I thought, but, hey, Dan, you're the only way to keep it real, huh? You knew what it was going to be.

But long season, a lot of ball left. But back to Randy, though. Got a chance to be his teammate, my first two years in the league. Obviously, everybody knows it's Randy Moss. But unbelievable teammate, even to like a rookie on the defensive side of the ball. You know, at that time, you know, a bunch of guys was playing video game and stuff. So just being in there, I'm calling my brothers. Hey, man, I'm playing Call the Duty, Randy Moss, man.

You know, check it out. So just a great teammate, Tom Brady. I saw him doing an interview. I'm not sure who he was with, but him talking about celebrating with the offensive line and how he views quarterbacks. That's something he watches. Does the quarterback celebrate with his teammates?

Ben catching up with Teddy Bruske. Like those OGs, like being great, great teammates. Randy was obviously one of the pillars in that locker room. So just it was great to see him back. Great to see him in Good Spears. It would be great to see him, obviously, back on TV throughout this football season, but just an amazing, you know, icon that we all.

looked up to. Yeah, he's back on Sunday NFL countdown, which is great news. Teddy Bruce could be in there, though. I mean, now that from an ex-patriot, like you were, it's like looking back, it was an ISO reunion last night, you know, a lot of learning the coaches and everything. And Lombart, I mean, once again, they had it all. Yeah.

Mia Haynes. They got a lot of good TV time. Lombardi and Bill on the, like, talking pregame when they were leading up and all the show you guys are doing it. They got a bunch of good air time, too. Yeah, Lombardi had a couple really cool shots, Stoic shots looking out over the staring into the distance. Yeah, it was good. It looked like it was perfect night.

Did you ever think about getting back into college coaching? No. No. I can't stand rookies. You've got a little freshman. And you got to pay them? No. And you got to recruit them?

And recruit them again. 13? Yeah. Every year. Exactly. I mean, I do a lot of work with Virginia Tech. And it just drives me crazy. I mean, I've recruited you once.

Now you want to raise. That's why college football will not be right until we have contracts and a salary cat. Everybody that is an OG in the football world has said the same exact thing. It sounds like there's a chance if you listen to Coach Sabin and Coach Rod who have both been around college coaching a long time.

There's a chance. It sounds like there's going to be a 60 team private. Power league. Doesn't it feel like that, AJ? I didn't think that was going to be possible. Chip Kelly, I think, pitched it a couple years ago whenever he was with UCLA on this show. He's like, you just get all the

power fours, you make him into one league. You do just like the NFL, you do regional divisions. You do the entire thing, and then everybody's playing against each other. Then you have an actual playoff system. You have free agency. You have TV rights deals. Chip Kelly laid this entire thing out. And I was like, okay, yeah, we all want, you know, fairy tale land.

That's not possible. Then your coach Saban bring it up. Then you're coach Rod bringing up. It's like, wait a minute, are they really, is everybody trying to get on the same page here? All the TV contracts would have to end at the same time. Yeah. Or if there was a delay for one or two. conferences of years, they would have to sit with no contract or just pick up a one-year deal,

which would be much smaller. That would be very hard to get done, but it feels like that is where they are trying to potentially get to, which I'd like to say would be sick. You'd see like what we saw this past weekend every weekend. I'm sure there'd be a lot of people pissed off though. If you're changing conferences and divisions and yada, yada, yada, it's like there's certainly going to be people pissed. But I think to his point, then you could have actual guardrails. That would be an actual league with actual rules, with actual free agency, with actual everything. But how long does that take to get to? I don't even know how you would do that, AJ, honestly, especially like a school like Ohio State

with how much money you're making off of everything that's happening. Yeah, it's all depends on when the TV deal is like when do those run out and how do you, how do you work that logistically seems crazy? But what happens to the other teams? If you're not one of the 60, where are you? What do you do? Sorry, dude, not everyone makes the NFL. Are they considered like Division 2 that?

How's that work? What do you do? So then that would just be like whenever the NCAA, The NCAA sold its rights crowned a champion in D1 football to the BCS, and then the NCAA actually ran D1A or whatever. You go to the NCAA office or headquarters here. We were forced to go in my rookie year and listen to them talk. That went terrible.

They had no idea that somebody was going to ask a question back. Like certainly, I watch you Rob, Pat White and Steve Slate, you motherfuckers. I watched it. I watched Pat White and Steve Slate and build this entire university up, and you guys basically combating him. and you made up the word amateurism and now you use that as an excuse. What if I just made up a word

and just started using that as my excuse for everything? They were not ready for that. They were not ready for that moment. So it was not, I would say it was a pretty bitter interaction between me and the NCAA. But we did the tour, it was nice.

It was cool. They had a nice museum here, everything like that. You know, I had a toothpick in my mouth after eating this one time. Guy comes in. Positive body language, I'm sure, too, the whole time. Oh, yeah.

Third, fourth guy comes in. I mean, the first three were all the same interaction between me and them. I don't understand why you come after somebody for a cheeseburger. I don't, I don't, I can't get a cheeseburger. Guy wants buy me a beer after me, game winning kick you. I can't. It's $1.50.

You guys are going to come after him for, what's the purpose of that? So, obviously, they all have their answers about how we're paying for everything and everybody needs to be treated fairly. And if you're getting a beer, is everybody else getting a beer? Is everybody else getting a beer? I'm like, they should. I mean, if they were there, I would just certainly be advocating for them to get a beer. You know, just full interactions.

Then we have lunch on the other side. with toothpick you know because i got some shit one of the highest senior guys comes in i guess he'd been told that i was probably not the easiest guy to speak to so he comes in and tries to do like a whole set up straight type thing this a job interview i'm like i'm never working here this is not a job interview i was forced to come here for rookie things so do your thing and he was like take toothpick eye mouth you want to be taking serious by you i don't i'm good i i'm completely i'm here to kick balls brother this is a whole rookie thing but the tour of the museum was nice, really nice.

Their national champion wasn't the D1 national champion. It was the D1A national champion. That was who the NCAA champion would be. So I think what the NCAA would do would probably take the whatever. The South Dakota State, Montana. 60, the South 70. Get their own TV deals for all of those teams

as well. The big ones would operate. And then they would have to get some sort of entry you would think into the CFP, just like March Madness basketball has. You would think. And in theory, that feels like that maybe works. But how do you get everybody to agree to that? You got ADs, presidents, coaches, conferences, how many lawyers?

How many different people from everything that would have to agree to that? That would be crazy. That'd be quite a big tag. Luckily, they do have a bunch of runway, if that's the way it's going to be. Because like you said, these TV deals extend into like 2035, the 2030s. You know, they just signed a bunch of 10-year TV deals for billions and billions of dollars. So, like, this isn't coming within the next two to three years unless, you know, they would, tear up those contracts, but you don't...

TV networks wouldn't want to do. Exactly. You'd have to renegotiate all those TV deals. Fox has a great deal. Awesome. ESPN has a great deal. CBS. CBS got, and these have all been very

tough negotiations, I think, to get all these different things. So they would have to redo all of this. Good luck to them. Happy, we're not doing it. Why don't you do that, Bruce? That's not a bad idea. At VA, why don't you pick up, sign up for that job, fixing college football?

No, thanks, brother. No, thanks. I'd rather golf. Yeah, that's right. Have a cocktail. Yeah. Maybe a white monster. What's the flavor?

I don't know. It's the fucking white one. It's white. I like the white one. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, his man who might have all the answers for everything. And we appreciate that. He's an insider.

He's an analyst. He's a host. He's a vibe. Ladies and gentlemen, Emmy Award winning, Peter Schrager. Yeah. Shraggs, we're breaking down college ball there a little bit about what potentially could happen

in the future. Who knows what's real? knows what anything looks like. We do know college football is back in a big way, and the NFL is back in just two days. What should we be thinking about that maybe we're not thinking about? And where are you right now? You look awesome. I feel awesome. Got a great tan, just getting back into it. So I'm going to be recording a podcast. I'm doing my own podcast with ESPN in Omaha. It's going called The Shrager Hour, and we got a studio and everything, and we're set up. So I'm speaking with Sean Peyton a little bit later today, and we're going to get some coaches. Hopefully, B.A.

will join me. I don't want to take any guests, but I love Bruce Ariens. I love. I love seeing him in the studio. He looked great, B.A. He'd be great for in the Shregor hour. Happy hour, Shregor hour, all the hours. Yeah, he's great. The best. But yeah, we're two days out here. You got a great tan. You look good. The Shrager hours around the corner. Football season here is kicking off for the NFL. What are you looking at as we're two days out? What are some thoughts that you think we should be thinking about as well? You know, every year, there's a team that comes from nowhere. And two years ago, it was the Houston Texans who had the second overall pick, and they skyrocketed to a

playoff birth and a playoff victory and they end up in the division around last year it was the washington commanders who came from the second overall pick to do it i'm seeing everyone's predictions right now and i say predictions because it's like it's not bold to pick the same six teams that do it in each conference or same seven teams every year i'm looking for someone who's going to take a big old swing and someone who is going to say you know what the browns are going to the playoffs this year or the giants are going to the playoffs this year and who is that team because you look at these odds right now everyone plays it safe and they think they're going out in a limb taking the same 14 teams but pat i want to know what's the team that's coming from nowhere this year i have i have a read

on a squad that no one is believing in there is one man there in your truck or the back room who is a fan of that i'm seeing plus 900 odds in the afc east and as everyone has fled the miami dolphins fled acting as if this team has the plague right i might be doubling down on the Dolphins on the fact that Mike McDaniel finally has his guys, they're going to be playing at 120 miles per hour those first few months of the season and there is absolutely nobody

nobody on the Dolphins bandwagon right now. They got to call it's week one. You triple down, Shregs, triple down on that one. There he is. Boys are ready. I'll tell you what, Shregs, you see Gumpy talking positive about the dolphins right there. That's only in the microphone. That is only in the microphone. We talked

last week. I know. That is only in the microphones. I think everybody's kind of skeptical and worried with all the moves that take place. But I guess we have to remember the offense, whenever they can protect, unstoppable. They are unstoppable whenever they are moving and operating efficiently. The defense aside, Vic Fangio leaves and goes and wins the Super Bowl. You know, everybody said he couldn't coach the defense anymore. He leaves and literally wins the Super Bowl at his next stop and his next destination.

So that's kind of tough to think about. Jalen Ramsey, gone. He's out of the building, let alone Calais is Campbell. who is the OG, he's gone. Jonu Smith, he was a pro bowler, he's gone. So Tyree Kill, first year not being named captain. Sure, it's going great. Sounds like behind closed doors.

Motivated. Of course, motivated chip on his shoulder, wants to earn that seaback. So I guess you could take everything as either adversity or just an opportunity. I'm looking for the team, Pat. You know it. There's always a team. So who's the team no one's on? You look at it.

Like, there's going to be one. Every year there's one. Is it Jacksonville? Is it Carolina? Everyone can have the... I think Miami might be the team this year that no one's on that does a little something. They have the players and they have a coach

that knows it's now or never, and he's going to run his offense. Let's see how it goes. Andy Dalton on a sideline last night, year 15 for the Carolina Panthers was there. Obviously, Bryce Young benched last year for Andy Dalton. Then Bryce Young put back into the starting lineup. Andy Dalton has to take a back seat yet again.

He understands what the role is. Bryce Young and the Carolina Panthers get hot at the end of the year. Get hot at the end of the year. Do they have a wide receiver that can get open? We'll see. Will they be able to continue to go? We'll see.

But maybe it is the Carolina Panthers who aren't complete. Shite! This year. Dolphins, though. It's going to be tough. Here's what it is. Even the Cowboys up there.

Guys, 32 teams, every fan base right now. I walk down the street in New York City. You can find fan. They all think this is the year. This is why the NFL is the best sport. It's parody. Everyone thinks this is the year. Because they've seen it.

If Houston with C.J. Stroud. Except the dollar. I'm believing. I'm looking for that team. I like that. I'm searching for that team. I'm searching for him. The truth is, I think the biggest story is the fallout of this Parsons deal.

And I haven't been on with you since it happened. I got crushed online last week. Crush. Oh, no. In all my years, I have never, never been considered a Cowboys guy. I've never been considered a Jerry Jones, oh, I don't know, sick of fan. I don't talk to Jerry. I don't know, like, Brian Schottenheimer well.

I came out, though, and I explained the Cowboys thinking on this. And their thinking on this is, we don't want to pay three players the top of their position salaries. This guy has not been what we consider valuable at $47 million. And it got down the road to such a point where Jerry wasn't going to pay him. He was lying on the table there on the sidelines. he demanded a trade. These are all things that made him different than Ezekiel Elliott and C.D. Lamb and Dak Prescott. And it got to a point where they made the deal. And you could have two things be true. They screwed this up by not paying them last year where it could have been $35 or $36 million,

but they rolled the dice. And you could also have it be true that, you know what, Jerry made the trade because Jerry wanted to make the trade. And whereas 30 other teams, aside of the Packers, who I could get to as well, have general managers that cannot make this trade. You could take the best general manager in football, Brett Veach. He's not making that trade unless he looks behind him and says, Mr. Hunt, are we cool with this? Jerry doesn't do that. Jerry doesn't have to do that.

You can find whatever GM. Howie Roseman isn't making a trade where he's trading the top player on his team and looking back without saying to Mr. Lurie. Are we sure we're good with this? Jerry Jones is the king of the kingdom. He can make the trade and he doesn't have to look back at anybody. He made the trade because he wanted to make the trade. He's 82 years old.

He wanted to make the trade. He's not answering to anybody. So I got crushed because they're like, you just want to be Jerry's pal Jerry's 82 years old and has been with every media guy in the world as far as in a relationship

Edwarder and Jerry go back for you. I'm not getting in an 82 to be Jerry's guy. I promise you that. I was just saying. I think we don't have a shot with him either. We've put a lot of requests and Jerry has ghosted us on all of them. Now it is nice that we're at the part of his life where he's lost his fastball.

You know, and we have microphones. Great. You know, so it is nice to be able to remind people, though, that Jerry is a dog and watch that documentary. And we Can't be judging every move that he makes today off of who he is as a complete businessman and owner of a team. You're talking about an absolute beast of an owner. There's a reason he has the stubborn mentality that he has. If you've been successful with everything and somebody else is going to tell you that you're wrong, there's going to be a natural.

Is that right? Oh, I am. Okay. Not so fast. At 82, especially 82 years of that. 82 years old. And he's self-made. I got the most valuable franchise in all the sports. Motherfuckers have been running sports a long time.

time. They've never done it like old Jerry Jones. So you're telling me I'm wrong. What the hell have you done? You sell some papers as a kid. What did you do? Like that is his, you can see how he thinks that way. Like you could see how he had a handshake. He had a handshake with someone. That's how he looks at it. Yeah, I guess. I mean, right or the right or wrong. I know, I know, I know. I understand. I understand completely. But Mike is- 24-year-old kid. 25, yeah. Mike is saying he was nodding his head along because of the That's what Mulligan said this morning is. Was Micah nodding his head to the owner of the Dallas Cowboys and his boss while he's talking to him about things?

Yes, did he necessarily think that that was a, hey, we are negotiating a deal right now? No. Well, Jerry should at least have had somebody in room to say, oh, sir. Yeah. This was very clear. Because Jerry said, I was already off my mark. On multiple occasions. I said, hey, I want to pay you $30 million.

Is that good for you? And Micah didn't really say anything. I said, okay, 40 million, is that good? And Michael said, no. I didn't say anything. And I said, 40 and a half million. And Mike was like, gnawed his head. And I was like, all right, so it's 40 and a half.

Do you want this to be a three-year deal? Mike is like, yeah, it could be a good. Five-year deal. It would be five-year deal. Okay, that's what exactly it will be. So I was at 30. I moved 40-and-a-half. Mike is a good negotiation.

I offered up a three. I'm like Mike, I did a nice job. He came back with the five. No, he didn't. That was what the deal was. He's a good, but he ain't David. Mullet gets this, he got what, 47? Yeah, 47.

And here's the cool thing about the Packer's story. And AJ, you can appreciate this. You know, Mark Murphy for 20 years was the man in Green Bay as the president. And, you know, they don't have an owner there. So he was the highest guy on the org chart. He had to resign based on their bylaws of the franchise. You get 20 years. In comes Ed Policy, who is in his first year as president.

And if you want to make a splash and say, hey, things aren't going to just be the way that they've been. I'm here to kind of set business, and we're going to do it in my mold. Now, Goody and LaFleur, as was reported on your show last week, they're still waiting on new deals, but Ed Policy is coming out and saying, you know what, my first major move as new president of the Green Bay Packers, how about I get maybe the best young defensive player in all of football, and we do so by giving up two first-round picks and a player who many in the league feel might be on the back nine of his career.

Well, Kenny Clark is a leader for that Green Bay Packers defense. I know a lot of people in Green Bay were not necessarily thrilled about losing. losing him. But whenever you think about what they gave up to get Mike in return, I think everybody's jacked. Good luck to all parties. And you're talking about Carmen Policies boy up there, Ed Policy. He's not scared to make a big time move. That's in his family jeans. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Shregs, a team I think people, I mean, they do have the best odds to win the NFC West, but the San Francisco 49ers. I don't know if you saw Brock Purdy has an awesome commercial out. He's lying dancing, doing all kind of great stuff. It's really good. But DeWon Jennings

reported back to practice, I heard from reports on the internet. How is that going to go? and how do you think these Niners team's going to bear this year? He's in Boots? I have not seen the commercial. I think he's selling Ariots. He's selling Boots? He's selling Ariot Boots? There's O. Lyman with them too, I think.

Okay. Okay. I'm waiting for the B-roll. I'm waiting for the B-roll. Here we go. All right, spinning a ball. Okay, all right, a little personality. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Look at it. All right. Oh, nice. Any Kurt Warner in that thing. I have a Kurt Warren, American Underdog's story. He met his wife line dancing actually out there in Iowa. That's right. He better play well Sunday.

Oh, a little slide there from, oh, wait, wait, wait. Okay. What's this for? Watch this. Smile. How do you do? He said, Ariel? What's Ariel boots?

I want a Western cowboy boot and Western wear company. Oh, I can get that, I can get that denim vest right there? You get it all. I can get everything Purdy's wearing right there? Boobarty's a lot of area. Can I get that rhythm that? that Brock Party's got, dude. Do you see him one, two, in there, Bruce?

He was a hell of a line dancer. I'll say, he was. He was a good little boasts. I bet a bunch of girls were jumping in behind that. Yeah, I think, follow the suit. Normally, it's the guy in all black. For every square dance and line dancing place that I've been to,

there is a fella that's going to be in all black. It's going to have a black cowboy hat. He will be in the front of the group. He knows every dance, and he is going to sweat, and he's going to lead the way for the next three, four hours. He's not drunk. You are, and you need to keep up with the man in black from my understanding that's from saloons in blacksburg

up there in the hills of virginia tech all the way of los angeles rodeo places you need uh the guy in the black will kind of show the way he's hitting that electric slide 10 different ways though i mean they are they're dupty doing in there it's a good time copperhead road comes on copperhead road comes on get your hell out get the hell out of the way there are people from the hills run into that dance floor for copperhead road and uh brock pretty know knows that. Areate knows that? Are they going to win because of that? He better play well week one.

Here's what the deal is with San Francisco. I'm saving that video for Sunday, just in case if at 4.30. When he runs one in, you're saying he's learned that touchdown dance from our friends at Harriet. Yeah, well, maybe. I mean, everyone in the NFC West

is going to run one in this weekend, it sounds like, but if they do, you know, play pretty poorly, I'm assuming not just me. Not just Why? Why, though? This is a team that that re- Reloaded. Because it's funny, Peter, okay?

That's the only reason. Brock doesn't deserve it. He does it. Brock's getting a little cowboy of money. Yeah, right. And he's got John Deeter and there. Yeah. He's got that big year.

They reloaded. They reloaded in a way that was really interesting to me and that they doubled down on a lot of veterans this offseason. So, Hughes Check, they cut originally. Then they were like, you know what? Let's bring them back. Kittle had a big, contract situation, they paid him

good money. They then of course paid Purdy and then it's one guy after another, they're like, we're not. Fred Warner, like, we're not looking at last year as the trend. We're looking at last year as a complete outlier and we still believe that we can compete in the NFC West. My question, of course,

is yes, Joanne Jennings, third in Joanne, who was so good two years ago, is it he and Ricky Pearsall? Are they enough to really compete with a Rams offense? And Eagles offense, a lion's offense. You're looking at a running backs room that, yes, Christian McCaffrey's there, but is it Isaac Garendo and Brian Robinson? Are they going to be enough to maybe give McCaffrey

the spells that he needs, considering McCaffrey's lost to injury as many times he has been in the last few years? So I, again, no one's going to draw up an offense like Kyle Shanahan. You get back, Sala. You, of course, have three of the first four draft picks be defensive lineman. On paper, it's all there. Now these guys just have to do it. But I think they've been hearing a lot that they can't, and I think that's a veteran squad that thinks, wait, guys, we were in the Super Bowl 24 months ago. What are you talking about? I've forgotten great team, the San Francisco 49ers, and it all started four days before

the season whenever we learned it, but Christian McCaffrey's fate in how Achilles 10 to 90s was on one side, then it jumped to the other side. It was like, oh, no. And the whole season went that way. Now they get an opportunity to get it back without anybody really talking about them other than us, because it's hard not to think about Fred running all over that defense. Oh, yeah.

And Bosa, just stretching fire. Rico. I mean, they got a team. We got to never forget that. The NFC West, though, pretty packed out there. And you mentioned one of those teams. The Rams. Go ahead, Deb. Yeah, staying in the NFC West, sounds like you love the Rams just based on how you were talking about that stacked San Francisco roster. But how do you feel about Stafford? And I know he was named week one starter, so it sounds like he's good. How are things going out there in Rams Camp? Definitely outperformed expectations by a lot last season. What's your thoughts and expectations on this year? hopefully they're they're fired up look they hope that he's in there obviously here's here's the truth week one week one stafford will be out there and we'll go from there uh the truth is all summer and i know you guys are rolling your eyes at home and you're rolling your eyes there in indy jimmy g was slicing it dicing up the cowboys defense and joint practices played well about stetson yeah rich and look good but jimmy g they were very very happy about the way jimmy g looked against the

cowboys in those joint practices in that he and devante as much as you thought they might have issues because of the documentary and what devante said like they were good and stafford is going to be great and if he gets injured they don't feel like the season is done if his back acts up so the thing you need to take away and i know there's a million teams that are going to be coming for them they believe that pukunakua and devante adams is a huge upgrade from pukunakua and cooper Cup. So you had a good offense last year. Devante comes in and already they are speaking as if Devante Adams looks like the Devante Adams that AJ Hawks saw in Green Bay and that the Devante Adams that we saw tearing up the league for a good decade over the course of the mid-2000 teens all

the way up until the last few years where he kind of was jumping around team to team a bit. But now you've got a guy in Stafford who has Tutu, he has Nuku, and he has this one. And they have a running game and a guy that they just paid in Karen Williams. So defense is going to be key, but they got two rookies last year that they thought played at Pro Bowl level, and those guys are going to be leaders this season. So I am extremely high on the Rams, and I think a lot of people should be higher than what they are.

Sean McVeigh, immediately upon Devante's arrival, showing the entire team a bunch of Devante highlights is a sick way you say. Hey, welcome to the team. We're happy to have you. Obviously, he'll gas everybody up. OBJ's first game with the Rams, if you do recall, after getting kind of an ugly exit from Cleveland, OBJ was targeting. did like five times in the first five plays.

Sean McVey wants his guys to play well. Sean McVeigh wants his guys to play well. He's a great ball coach over there. He really is so young. Could have taken, what, 30 mil to go call some games. Instead sticks around, tries to do the rebuild with Matthew Stafford, and hopefully they're all healthy, and I'm excited to see what they do. Now, let's stick with the NFC West.

Coach Bea has a question for you, Shregg. Shreg, do you think anybody NFC West wins over nine? Yeah, I do. I do. I think the Rams can go. 1112. I do. I feel like, you know, I remember, I mean, guys, you have to understand. I was sideline reporter for Fox for many years, and I did many Jeff Fisher, Bruce Ariens games. And let me tell you, that Rams Cardinals rivalry was no joke. B.A., are you giggling back there

because those meetings were heated, and those were good. But like, now we have the Cardinals back a bit, and now we have the Rams sitting on the top, and the Niners are biting, and the Seahawks are there. So I understand if we're looking at, we think everyone's going to go seven wins, eight wins, nine wins, and then the best team wins. I think the Rams are superior to those teams. I think the Rams are going to go 11 or 12 wins. Okay, well, that would be over for the Rams, obviously. Do you see under on the Niners at 10 and a half?

No, I think they're going to be a 10-11 win team as well. I don't know if I'm there yet on Seahawks and Cardinals. How many teams out of the NFC West making the playoffs, too? I would think two, yeah. Okay, is that the strongest? Is there going to be a three-team division? I think the NFC North has an argument, and you could pick your permeation of those four teams. I saw a lot of people high on the Bears.

I would be interested in that because of Ben Johnson, but I don't think they're in that same conversation just yet with those other three teams. And I think the Packers got a lot better with Michael Parsons. I know it's a big shiny object. A lot of people say, okay, but let's see how it actually works. I think Michael Parsons is an unblockable object off the edge, and I think they've got a pretty good defense otherwise. So I think the Packers, Vikings, and the Lions.

could all be playoff teams this year. Three teams from the NFC North and the playoffs may be. You know, last year, two NFC north teams were battling in the last week for the number one overall seed in the NFC. Winner gets number one, loser gets number five. They need to redo the playoff seating. That's what everybody said for the off season. When I said, teams are just too damn good.

Speaking of a good team, let's go to the AFC mile high. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Shrags, last week, every guest we had on, and we asked this kind of question. It was basically like, hey, watch out for the Broncos. They might win the Super Bowl this year, and it almost got to the point where it felt like picking the Broncos might have been jumping the shark a little bit.

As we stand right now with the season kicking off this weekend, do you still think that the Broncos are one of those teams who are going to potentially be a Super Bowl team at the end of the year? I'm torn because I do believe that, but you are right. The amount of heat that they're getting, that never ends well. Like there's always that team that just scratches the surface in year one and then everyone jumps on their bandwagon, and it doesn't go as smoothly in year two.

And I say year one because of Bo Nix, but like, gosh, from every, you know, guests we spoke to last week on McAfee, to Diana Rusini sitting with Sean Payton, to Kay Adams sitting with Sean Payton. It feels like everyone came out of Denver. It's being like, yep, that's the team. That's the team, because their defense was number one in the league,

and they got better on offense. And now you're expecting Bo Nix to take an even bigger leap in year two. So where's it, where's the, where's the, where's the hole? I don't know. And yet, I'm cautious of just riding the bandwagon that everyone else is. Like, honestly, I look at this and I'm like, okay, if every single person is picking the Broncos over the chiefs, well, then the chiefs have to win the division. That's just how it's going to go.

I think it's probably an even split if you ask around the league and you ask the media right now, whether it's Broncos or Chiefs. And I think that's crazy, crazy considering what Kansas City has done. And also considering what Kansas City did last year in that they lost one regular season game. And I know it was on a blocked field goal that they almost lost to the Broncos. earlier in the season, but guess what? They blocked the field goal, and Leo Chanel got up there and blocked it. I can't take the Broncos over the Chiefs just yet.

I do like Bo Nix and Sean Paine. Yeah, it's great. Sean Payton draft night talking about Bo Nix. This is the one. Yeah. This is the guy. And them going through some growing pains early in the season with how great they looked at the end, and that defense can stop anybody.

Defense is stat, but, you know, second year. Now a lot of defenses have to pull. The bill's lit them up in the playoffs. We forget this. Yeah. The center player of the year. Thank you, Peter. We got the FACC is packed.

We got Zach Allen. 50 million dead capped up. The AFC is packed. Yeah, they had 80 million or 50 million, whatever it was last year. 50 or 30 this year. Yeah, whatever it is. They had the biggest dead cap in the history. So they're playing with literally.

Damn, they still are back there. I am interested in the second year. Second year for Bo Nix. You know, he is obviously older. You know, he's what, 25, 26. I'll probably go into the second year. But it's obviously, you know, Sean Payton is a great. What makes Sean Payton a great?

play call to be it you guys spent a bunch of time in the league yeah don't shan long long time he just got a great mind he's got a great feel for the game and you know trick plays are one thing uh he's got the perfect timing for when he's going to get you you know and his quarterbacks always play smart and never play scared all right and they don't beat they don't beat themselves uh that's the way he's always been and uh he's just a hell of football coach and you know really happy for vans to be back there doing such a great job of that defense. I like the Broncos, too. I think the Broncos are the ones that challenge

the Chiefs because Chargers already got injuries galore. And people don't talk about injuries just wipe you out. Yeah. And, hey, we're great. No, we just lost our left tackle. We lost our right tackle. We got... Oh, no excuses. I don't want here. There are no such things as excuses, but

your... VA, let me ask you. Can I jump in? Yeah, go ahead, Shrakes. This, Peyton's not well liked by teams during the season. He does some antics. Like, did he ever do anything that got under your skin as far as a coach goes? Did he ever do anything that in the media or even on the field something that kind of set you off track? A little bit. Yeah, the playoff game. You know, the playoff game, Sean never came out before the game. And he was out shaking hands with everybody

running around. And I said, oh, he's awful confident about this one. Now, they did kick her ass earlier in New Orleans. But I was like, that's not Sean. And I said, I think we'll go get their ass this time. What are you talking about, Shanks? What are you talking about, though, antics? Always, like, and that's why Sean has an edge, and the guy that, I don't know if you knew Orney,

but Mike Ornstein, who used to be one of the NFL that just passed away last year, but Orney would be kind of Sean's consiglieri, and they would come out there, and they would have a towel that you'd be rocking or something, or he'd say something in the media, or he'd be the one who would be throwing money around in the locker room, and he would

be dancing in your stadium, and I think a lot of coaches, and it goes back to that Nathaniel Hackett deal that he did when he got to Denver. It was basically like they weren't coached well and Russ is going to have a shot because he's with me. Sean knows what he's doing. He's playing all the angles and he gets that from Bill Parcells and it was always, hey, let's

just have a little bit of edge here and I got my guys back and I know some of the other coaches around the league, they respect the hell of them but it's like gosh, I would love to beat Sean Payton as well. Well, Sean Payton loves that he has the second wealthiest owner. Yeah. In all the sports, right? Walton family.

Yep. Are they second or? There's got to be one. No, I think Bomer. Balmer, I think is. Oh, yeah, Balmer. He's living, by the way. The more stuff I watch about him.

Weppy. God, he's been around. Yes, he has. He's got all the money. He's been sweating and bringing it for quite a time. For a long time. Same with the Walton's, though. Yeah, amen.

How about the coaching salaries over there? You pay whatever they want? Oh, man, it's crazy what they're getting on. I almost thought about going back just for that. Yeah, something to think about, especially if the Wotons are going to be. Once Elon gets a team, those coaches are going to make. Yeah. Bezos?

Or Zuck. Zuck gets a team? Yep. I mean, how much is he paying AI guys? Just signing bonuses? $250 million. $200 million, right? That's been called into question as of late.

Oh, has it actually? Not true. Elon gets in there. Zuck gets in there. Bezos gets in there, which we assume is going to happen with NFL teams. With the way the valuation's headed,

there's only going to be certain people that can buy it. You know, those people are all, the coaches just having no salary cap there. We thought that was a weapon for the Walton's. I think it still is. They're going to be able to probably keep those coordinators. Now, Kansas City has

three Hall of Famers, that coordinator that have been around. You know, Spaggs obviously, Andy Reed, and then... Dave Taub. Tobin. Tobes, sorry, Dave Tobes. He, as a special team's guy, Hall of Famers, well. Them being able to keep those guys is a huge deal.

And Veach, Veach, it might end up being a Hall of Fame GM when it's all sudden done. Yeah, because whenever you start getting coaches plucked, that's tough, I assume. That's very difficult. So if you're able to offer just a little bit more money at the coordinator position, especially if you're building something great, you'd be able to go. I think. I'm not speaking for you guys. I don't want to speak out of all.

NFL is one thing, but I'm shocked with the college coaches. I got coordinators making $3 million in college down. Bruce, like, I can drink. I was one of the, I was one of the first $140,000 guys in the SEC way back. Hey, thank you for doing what you did for these coaches today. Thank you for you.

All right. Last question here. We know you've got to go before two. Go ahead, Conn, man. Shrags, you had a tweet about the Trey Hendrickson deal from the Bengals. They get all three of their guys done. T. Jemar and T. Higgins this offseason. Did you see this coming with T. Hendrickson? And do you see him going back after this year? It wasn't pretty, right? Like, you don't want it to go that way. And it's never going to be as easy as it is for the fans in their heads when you start to.

But if you look at it just as a 30,000 foot view, they got Jemar Chase re-signed, anti-Higgins re-signed, something that most Bengals fans thought was not going to happen. And then they got Trey Henderson for another year. At the very least, could say, okay, let's kick the can here and see if we can get a long-term deal done. I thought it was a great off-season for Cincinnati. It got ugly. The Shamar Stewart thing is ugly. This is ugly. But they're starting the season fully loaded. They played their guys in the preseason. So there's no excuse to start the year when they play Cleveland that they're going to be rusty. And Joe Burrow, for the first time, is 100% healthy going into the 2025

season. So I look at Cincinnati. It made for a lot of great segments on ESPN, made for a lot a great talk radio, but at the end of the day, they're as fully loaded as they've been, and it seems like those guys are at least satisfied for now to go in and attack the season. So I feel pretty good about the Bengals right now. We get a chance to talk about it again next year. Yeah.

Yeah. I'll be excited for that, the Tray Hendrickson situation. We need content in June, dude. We're good. Yes, we certainly do. The Schreger Hour, obviously you know that. Good morning football. Yeah, Pacers obviously a big deal, but yes, need to continue to have conversations. but if Trey Hendrickson and M won a Super Bowl,

it'll all be worth it. And the Bengals could. Why not with Joe Burrow? Top three quarterback in the league in Joe Montana's eyes. Somebody said he was the best quarterback in the league. Who was that? Joe Burroughs said, someone just came out. A lot of people would do that.

Yeah, that was very recent. It was Will. Rollerowski, maybe, then. Will Compton, Wilcomton said, when healthy, Joe Burroughs is the best quarterback in the league. Joe Montana said he's top three quarterback in the league. It's like, all right, we just didn't see him in the playoffs. So that's probably why he's left out of a lot of the chance.

chatter. I'm excited to see what the Bengals can do it. We appreciate you, Shregs. Good luck with your hour. Appreciate it. I'm doing this prediction special Thursday on ESPN after you guys at 3 p.m. Eastern and it's going to be all the predictions for the season right before kickoff. So I'm excited and I got

to say, Pat, thank you for everything. You're the man and Bruce Ariens. What a legend. Thanks, guys. No, you're the legend, dude. You're the man, bro. You're the man. You're the man. Thanks a gentleman, Peter Shregor. Thursday, prediction special, Peter's predictions. that.

Pumped. Oh, PD predictions. That's going to be a good hour. What's Bidi predict? Petey predictions for everything. What do you think he's guessing? Sounds like he likes the ranks. No, I mean,

record? No. He gets a Super Bowl right every year, so he's getting a special for it. Yeah, and he also, he had the commanders last year as the team that would make the playoffs kind of start from nothing. He does have some jobs.

Shregs quietly just knows all the shit. Like draft, Day of Draft, he knows all the shit. Week before draft, he doesn't know. Day of. draft, Shregs knows everything. I do wonder if that's how we ended up on our draft show, because they might have had some like production meetings before him to

see if Shragis is going to be good. What do you know? And he's like nothing, nobody really knows anything. Okay. Sorry, Shreg does no shit. And then on draft day, it's like Shraggs knows everything on draft day. He was awesome with us. I'm happy he's getting more and more opportunities to kind of host. I think he's a host.

Yeah, dude, that is hilarious if that is what happened. That's definitely what happened. The draft show, yeah. As we know how it works. Yeah. That's what happened. All right, so what are some of your, what are some of your thoughts on what's going to happen? At this, I don't think anybody really knows right now. I'll know on the draft, maybe, I think, but not right now. No one knows. So what are we supposed to slot you in there for? Just like, maybe no guy? I don't know. And we're sorry. And then, but if you go back

and look at his resume, it's like, hey, Schragge knows, you just got to give him time. Yeah. You got to give Shragge's time to operate those phones. And for him to dive in there day of, he's the insider game. How do you feel about that? It's a huge part of your guys the business the insider game it it's yeah i think guys that really know they got they got connections i love the draft when it's like oh i think they're going to take this guy right here yeah we uh we had to do a lot of that we had to do a lot of that did you did you worry about stuff getting out of your building i never did uh jason and the rest of the guys did you know it's like no i mean how we feel about players and i would tell the truth and they thought i was

lying all the time. It's like if you tell the truth, that can't be real. You know, he's got to be bullshit in you. And like, no, that's how I got him ranked. I really do. That's it. Yeah, well, I appreciate that you've always done that. That's why I think we like you and we think you're going to be great for us. There's a lot of stories that have come out from you just telling the truth, you know,

obviously Tom Brady stuff at the end there. There's a big conversation about, big conspiracy about, big fodder about, you come out address that. Tom addresses that. Then obviously the AB stuff, which we are certainly going to have to ask about at some Boyne. One of the greatest football players of all time. Tony O'Brien. Hardest working practice player I've ever coached. Really?

Hardest working practice player ever. I heard, yeah. All seasons. Reps everything. We're getting it. There's a reason why he was. He takes it to the house every time. So you take it to house. I'll wait for you to come back. Yeah, we're not stopping practice. We're going to let you go ahead and finish.

And then you take it back. We want everybody to do what you're doing. That's an interesting thing for what Antonio Brown is remembered for on the football field. versus everything kind of outside of the football field, especially his retirement. I mean, cannot. I mean, everybody's still literally in their head right now sees him skipping off of MetLife Stadium, going and waiting for Cheech.

Yeah, yeah, that's right. That was like such a, you're right in the middle of all of that. We'll definitely chat about that. Cannot wait to get your thoughts on all the quarterbacks as we go through the season, what the team decisions are, situational shit. Like, you're the perfect guess for us this season. You need to know that.

We're very, very thankful for you. I love it, man. I'm looking forward to it, bro. Is it going to be new cangles every week? How many of those do you think you got? My wife keeps telling me, is that whole closet hats? That's pretty much. Can you throw some away?

I said, people keep giving them to me so no. What's your favorite one? The next one? The next one, yeah. We'll make sure we get good. I had probably my maroon for Virginia Tech, but. You love Virginia Tech. Tough loss the other night.

I thought you guys were in that thing. Thought you guys had a team. Shane did a great job making us punt. Yeah, Rieke. And then watching those three offensive linemen go down and try to tackle that guy, I was like, ooh, that's not good. Yeah, having the offense alignment at P.P. It's certainly a move that colleges have started doing three shield, offensive alignment to protect. They think they beat the game. What happens, though, whenever. When the gunners don't get there.

What happens when that thing's coming back? I don't know. Shane Beamer with a little Beamer ball. A bemer ball, shout to Virginia Tech. Big loss over South Carolina. South Carolina might be for real. Sellers is good. Lenore Sellers looks like a guy. He's big. He is legit. These are the thing. We'll continue digitally. We can't thank you enough. We'll see tomorrow.

Be a friend to the other than something nice. It might change their life. Goodbye. Right at zero there. Boom. Really think that. You see that, BA? Connect on that zero.

That was a super professional expert sendoff there for ESPN. Two? We on ESPN, too. Yes. US Open still happening. For a while now. AJ. In the quarters yet.

Still? Close. Football's starting. What's going on? I think I've been watching that. I've seen it pop up for the last month, the US Open. Yeah, football's happening. What's going on?

Isn't that a... It's got to wrap up in the next couple days, right? It's the same with, like, the Ryder Cup coming up. Like, this is... They overlap just one weekend, where the greatest sport plays and then all the other sports are doing their thing. This is kind of that time, I feel.

I know, but don't we think we should just give a runway there for a little bit? Maybe utilize the anticipation of these days right now to get these things accomplished? Rider Cup, we can't move that up? I completely agree I just think they're not even thinking of it yeah it's over Rider Cup I'm okay with because it's not every single year

but like the U.S. Open like they know like hey football season's right around the corner imagine if Wednesday night they had their super duper final for why I don't even know what the super duper final will be because there's tag teams there's uh super singles they're singles I'm a tennis yeah what is uh

what is tag team? Yeah there it is They do a lot of talking in between every serve. They do. Every serve, they're chit-chan. Are you saying if it was at a different time, you would watch the U.S. Open front or back if it was not during football? Yes.

Not front of all. I've been paying attention. If we move Wednesday night, you know, Wednesday night, because we got Thursday is when it starts. Friday. We got Chiefs Chargers in Brazil. Early. We got Patrick Mahomes on Friday.

We got the Philadelphia Eagles and the Dallas Cowboys on Thursday. We got another pack slate of college ball on Saturday. Then we got a full NFL Sunday slate. And then we got Monday night football. I'm sorry, tennis. Move your super duper final to Wednesday night. Just lead us into Thursday. It would be great.

It would be great for all of us. But instead now, it sounds like I'm going to have to make decisions on what I watch. Wait, where you are? Super duper final. I think it's next Sunday. It might be if they're not in the quarter. But you're going to turn off to what? Several days off in between.

Yeah, too. Can't even turn off the super duper late night games because they're electrifying because the quarterbacks are so good. That's unbelievable. Sagapolitelli. I saw their, I saw J.K.S. was being used very frequently. So that might be the go-to. J-K.S. I think you keep saying it, though.

Yeah, you got the name down to use. I like saying, I like respecting the Ouse's names. You know, because nobody, everybody always says it's a hard name. It's like, well, my name could be pronounced McCaffey. You know, it's like, hey, it's Macfee. So I would like this song of pull the Tele family to let me know if I'm saying to right or no. Okay.

First of all, I would like a correction if possible. But also, people should know this guy's name. Because this dude is a... Have you seen him, B.A.? No, I haven't. All. Superstar. Freshman, 18 years old, out of Hawaii.

Lefty, look how big he is. Look how comfortable he is. And watch these balls. Dude, this is first game. He wants six for six to start the game. Bucket. Bruce. This guy spin it.

Moves to 18 years old, man. Shit talking. Yeah, teammates love him. I mean, everything... I mean, yeah, B. So where's he playing next? Recrued away already. Bingo.

You said he's being recruited away. He said, where's he playing next year? That can't be how this goes. Oh, yeah. That's it. It's college football. I mean, he's going to... What's the cash?

Belchek might have actually fucked up his game playing because he stayed up too late on Saturday to watch... To watch him play. He was so, him and Devin Dampier for Utah. They were electrifying. They were playing at the same time. Games didn't end until 2 a.m. I'm like, come on, man.

Once again, can we? Yeah. You know, I know you're on the West Coast. Okay, and I know your fan base is over there and they're three hours behind. It's like, these dudes are going to keep us up all night, I think, on Saturdays. I legitimately think these two dudes have a chance of wrecking an entire sleep schedule. And I thank him for that. I certainly do thank him for that.

But, boy, they are electrifying. This 18-year-old kid from Utah, no, I'm sorry, from Cal? From Cal, yeah. So much fun. He's got the moxie, too. He's got the shit. Like, I don't know if the team is going to be good enough for him to really go on a run or whatever. Hopefully, maybe they are.

But he's got, like, the shit, you know, it's fun to watch that type of stuff. Well, and those two dudes, there's, like, what I love about college football, because I don't have a team. Like, you're just kind of watching to Roof for players, and you just find two random dudes who I've never heard of, had no idea what team they play for, whatever. And, you know, you just happen to have them on at 11, 1130 at night on a Saturday. And, you know, two guys who you're probably going to watch for the next few years. now in college football you stumble upon, but that is kind of what stinks, is that, for Cal fans, is that the immediate thought is that, you know, where's he going to play next year? Is he going to play for Bama or what?

Can this guy transfer mid-season is what people are thinking? Can he leave and start for a different school next weekend? Like, is that, that's the thought immediately. Cal fans who are awesome, I will never say a bad thing about Cal fans in the Calgary after going out there and experiencing that place during finals week. And they were out there doing football instead of actual, yeah. So I got mad respect for the Cal fans, but it is an immediate thought. Like, well, yeah, what's crazy is they're in the ACC.

Yeah. I mean, so, yeah, I'll be up watching them, too. You know, so, yeah, I mean, for Cal and Stanford have been to ACC, that's how fucked up college football is. Yeah. But Jeff Hathley. They got the All Coast Conference, the All Coast. It's crazy. I mean, there's sure.

It should be four major conferences in the sections of the country where they belong and play each other and then have championships. That's the top 60 you're talking about. And just break it into four quadrants. Still have the southeastern conference. Still have the Big Ten. It'll be northeast or whatever. I guess the Midwest would kind of be pissed off about that.

That becomes Big 12. Well, yeah, because if they do that, then Oregon's gone. USC's gone. All the teams that they just added will be out of there. And then, yeah, they'll start eating from the Big 12. So they go southeast, northwest, Big Ten, probably. I don't think Big Ten, the SEC are going to give up there. And then what would you do Southwest?

What would that be called? I would think Arizona, Arizona, Arizona, those guys go back to the Pac-12, Back-10. Pack-12? Oh, call it the PAC-something. Yeah. Okay. Because if they do PAC-10, they could just do, what, six divisions of 10 teams instead of four.

So now we have the conferences. Now we have the divisions. We got the teams. We got the rules. Just do it. It's not that damn hard. We fix it already. What is it?

What is it? That was quick. That was easy. Now there's just a couple billion dollars in contracts that we got to kind of sort through. Exactly. Our department already finished. That's a different department. Yeah, we just kind of slide that across the desk and say, hey, get out of them.

Good luck. Get out of all these contracts. In Florida State and Clemson, we're going to say, we were going to get out a couple hundred million dollar loan to try to get out of these turns out. It would cost us $700 million to get out of these contracts. Yep. So everybody's going to need $700 million to get out of these contracts? Yeah. I don't know how we're going to do that.

look. I don't know. You can't figure it out. We got our end figured out. We got four divisions. They're all going to play each other. I don't know how it gets fixed with the amount of questions and the amount of people that you need to go in the same direction.

And with all that being said, the prox from the field is so awesome. Like North Carolina, that first drive. That's college football. It was awesome. It was awesome. It was awesome. I met the commissioner of the ACC is Jim Phillips. Is that his name?

Sounds correct. Something Phillips, I think. Sure. There's not a sideline. Yes, sir. Jim Phillips? Okay, sweet. It was a little loud.

I meet him. He said, Commissioner of the ACC. During that first drive, I thought to myself, we're going to see a lot of commissioner of Jim Phillips this year. Okay, like during that first drive, I'll see the ACC, Miami, Florida State, North Carolina. Now, obviously, Dabo's going to do his thing. This commissioner is about to have the biggest year of his life,

and I just met him. I was kind of happy for him. I'm like, good for this guy, that this whole thing's going to happen. And then it's all changed. And I'm like, maybe Jim Phillips is not going to have as big of me. I was going to say the ACC was the best conference in football. I was going to say that. I was going to come on this show and say that after the first drive.

I was locked in, too. I'm like, the ACC goes from the team that was, or the conference that was going to be pissed about how many teams they get into the playoff and how everybody's kind of disrespecting them as a power. Everybody says SEC, Big Ten. Nobody really talks about the Big 12. Nobody talks about the ACC. Big 12, certainly in third place, ACC and football was just kind of a castaway. And then all of a sudden, one off season, bang, Miami's back, Florida State's back.

And then fucking Bill Belichick is going to lead North Carolina. I'm like, Jim Phillips, good for you, dude. You're the new Sanky. You're fucking new Sanky. It's you Sanky and Petitia now sitting at the table. And then what happens the rest of the game? It's like, you know, all of a sudden, I think there's going to be the same power structure amongst those commissioners. Yeah.

I think that's how it's going to be. But they all have to get on the same page. And then all the presidents of all the schools, then all the athletic directors, and all the coaches, all I'll have to get on the same page. When does that ever happen? And the TV networks. Well, that's the thing. Is this the first thing now?

It can't be TV network and that, like, a streaming service could, in theory, come in and pay, you know, $10 billion in buyouts. And then this entire conference lives on Prime or Apple. Or X? No way they let that happen. No way they let that happen. How? The networks. Yeah, that'd be like the death of network TV if that happened because that's the thing people are sticking around for it.

is this kind of shit. This kind of shit. Watch the way you speak about it. Well, I'm just doing live sports in general. Like, you start losing those, then. Live football is what matters. Have you seen Grinowski at Iowa? No.

They can sling it. Don't watch the first quarter, coach. They rush for 310 yards. You know, it would have been malpracticed that I'm out there throwing 50 times. You know, it's like, hey, Albany can't stop the run. But, you know, guess what? Grinowski, eight rushes, 46 yards, touchdown. Do you think you're going to have to throw it at some point, though?

No, I told Debutt this. This was really all I needed to see because he was cramping up, too. It was an unseasonably hot day at Kinnick. I think they were in the red zone. It was like third nine, and he hit an out for like 15 yards to move the sticks. I was like, that hasn't happened once in the last eight years. So that's good enough for me. And he lowers the show.

He does. He's 6.3, 230, you know, 235. Like he's physical. Seed. That was a seed right thing. Yeah, it's a good placement on that ball. So, no. I mean, this weekend is kind of.

of the whole, like, this is the measuring stick. We'll see. Iowa State's got a good team. They do. Iowa State's got a real good team. They do. Cyclones are coming for that ass. That's fine.

First point touchdown last week. They got a kicker who kicks 60-3-yarders. I was kickers pretty good, too. 55-yarder. That's what's crazy, what the kickers are doing now. Insane. I mean, 70 yards? They just make it.

Damn little. I mean, come on, man. There better be no time left on the clock if you miss. Because they're going to turn around and kick the short one. Yeah, exactly. You're giving up three immediately on those 70 yards. Automatically. Yes, I agree.

The whole, I don't want to say aggression, but it feels like coaches have gotten a lot more aggressive. Fourth down, going for it more as more stats are being told. Like, hey, at this, you should be able to pick it up at this particular rate. It feels like people are going for it. More long kicks are happening, I think. Do you agree with that? Totally.

And I'll ask our guys to look this up. Okay. Of those teams that are doing it, how many are offensive head coaches, versus defensive head coach Does defensive head coach say, oh no No, we ain't doing that shit We're punting We're punting all the way, brother

But look at the commanders They were the ones who kind of like They did that a shit load last year And Dan Quinn's a defensive guy Maybe Cliff Kingsbury has a little more saying that But like they I mean, especially in the playoffs Commanders were going forward on fourth and short

Every second time. Who was guy from Chargers? They came from his mom and dead Brandon Staley Brandon Staley defensive guy He was going forward a lot Where's he up? Good question.

All right. Something went wrong with football. You don't kick field goals anymore. All right. And I love Dan Campbell. Don't get me wrong. I think he's a hell of a coach. I think he's the next Bill Cowher. But they're in the Super Bowl. You kick three damn field goes instead of going forward on fourth down. You got a three score lead.

And you put your team in an oh shit moment. You know what that is? Oh, fuck. We're tied now. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. I got to call a different play. Oh, shit. We had a 20 point lead. oh shit now that's a seven point lead you're calling defense you're calling different offenses because the head coach went for it and didn't make it now they would say that if the didn't live like that all season they wouldn't have been in a position to go for right i think

that is yeah one thousand percent and also josh randals has to catch those balls on fourth down and then we're in the super bowl as well well yeah this shit drop mark andrew should have caught some bitch and they would be talking about lamar not been the winner yeah you're right you're right so it's uh don't ever get me started on analytics no let's start on analytics on analytics. They don't believe in momentum. Analytics don't believe in situational awareness. Analytics believe on the outcome. Don't they claim to, though? I thought they

claim to take in that stuff. No, they don't believe in momentum. Momentum's not real. Oh, okay. I thought they claim that they do take it all, even like all of it. No, they don't know that your right guard can't block in the Damican Sioux. Yeah, where's the stats on, and Domic and Sue lined up over AQ? Why didn't you go for it on 4th down? Because AQ couldn't block his ass.

One-on-one. A-Q could have. You would have gnawed and need that. Tori's up, but it doesn't make any sense to be. Baseball, total sense. You can't hit a curveball, put a curveball pitcher in. But there's going for it inside the 50 every time it's fourth and five or less. Those points add up, man.

Especially in the playoffs. The analytics on the screen tells us to go. Go for it. Go for it. I've never seen it say don't go. No, I don't think it ever has. Why don't you listen to it? Go. I hate it.

Can't stand. it. No, you don't know what you're talking about, though. These analytics clearly say 67% of the time you'd make it here. Are they talking about blocking and tackling or numbers? They're talking about numbers over the history of the game. All right? That's bullshit. It sounds like the numbers are a much bigger risk-it biscuit operation. Oh, dude. Yeah. I mean, I'm getting my ass kicked. Why didn't I make it on third one?

Well, the analytics... Well, the analytics said, that you should have, 82% of the time, should have made it on 301. Should have made it. Yeah, they got a better player. Michael Parsons kicked their ass. How do you think Green Bay does, Mike? Do you think it wins Super Bowl? I'm talking Super Bowl expectations.

I think it gives them a better chance. I mean, it's going to excite that defense. Defense is already good. And did Kenny even play that much last year? He was hurt a little bit, and he did, but he had his, statistically, he had his worst year by far in a long time. They're not going to miss him. They added something big and lost a little. So, yeah, I think they already got a great fan base,

maybe the best ever. I mean, the best place for me to ever go to win was Lambo. Yeah, cool feeling. And they had great brats for you after the game. Yeah, drive through that neighborhood, show up at the stadium. Yeah, it's really cool. And you feel like you're in Sable's NFL films that you watch him growing up as good.

It's like, holy shit, I'm in the movie right now. I'm in the history of football. AJ's the all-time leading tackler for that program. I couldn't even imagine. Wasn't that Scottie Miller? B.A., you were there at the Scotty Miller at half. Oh, yeah, yeah, baby. Yeah, man.

I told him a punt. I was pissed off because we missed it on third. I said punt, and I said, there have been a timeout. And I, like, we've got, I think we had a 10-point lead maybe. Right, you took his game off. Seven. I said, best are going to get his field goal. Fuck it, go for it.

And Tommy, he looked up, really? I said, go for it. And Byron called a great play. You risk it, and you got the biscuit. And, you know, obviously, we got a little bunch formation. They thought we were going to run a quick guy, tried to get a first-down field going. The guy squats, and Scotty runs right by him. Scoot, is he still on the Steelers?

Yes, he is. He's on 53. Yep. He's turned into a hell of a little gunner. Aaron loves him. He don't weigh 160 pounds. He's a hell of a little gunner. He was good for you guys.

Scoot, Scoot, Scoot, Scotty Miller came out of nowhere. Yeah. So fast. By the looks of him, you don't think he's as fast as he is. Yeah. King didn't think so. What's that? Why is that, Pat?

It's because you're like shorter or what? Yeah, he just don't think his stride length just by looking at him. You don't think his stride length could be fast enough, you know? Sneaks of, boy. He can turn him over, boy. He can turn him. He can't. He can't. You can't pick him up and put him down?

He makes him up and puts him down. You mean like Tyree Kill? Because he's like the same high as Tyre Kill, so. No, what are you guys? What are you saying? Oh, different. We're the same number, too. Yeah. Yeah, that's his comp. I think that was his com.

What nobody on TV would say that. There's just something about him still. Yeah, a lot of Danny Amadol in him. Yeah, certainly. With speed. He's Julian at him in Witt. With speed.

With speed. Who's that guy coming out of the Hwatt that was coming out of a Texas school, ran like a 4-3 and they were like... George Shipley? No, it was a Texas school. I don't remember if it was actually Texas. It was a maybe Texas Tech or something. Kid ran like a 4-3 or 4-2.

I think this guy's a lot like Danny Amand-Dola. No, he's not. You're talking about strictly skin. color, I do believe. Yes. Well, yeah. He is a white man. Yes, he is. He's a lot different than Danny, though. Not that Danny didn't have speed. You got to have speed, but yeah, I think Scoody Miller had a hell of a run. Maybe Pittsburgh Cedar is the right place where maybe Aaron Rogers needs a Scotty Miller. Do you think so, Tone? Yeah, he's talked about it a bunch to just like he doesn't have to guess where Scotty's going to be. Scottie's always in the right

place. And obviously, as a veteran quarterback like Aaron, like he really, we know we know Aaron appreciates that. All right, let's take a break, and then we'll wrap up with everything we didn't hit, including a little BA breakdown of some defenses. Oh, hell yeah. Which I'm excited to see. Also, some headlines. You know, there's a new voted number one player in the NFL.

Not to talk about that. Don't want to give it away. Jumped over somebody backwards. Oh, okay. Ran for more yards in a season than any humans ever run for a yards. Sure. His before contact numbers, if they were their own season, would have been a top five rusher in the NFL.

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Set hut. Hit! Yeah, I was. I guess. What I was saying is we're all moving on the ball there. And the ball, whenever that beat, drivet. drops, ball is being snapped, and then football is what's coming in there. Can you really hear this?

Every team? So when you interview a quarterback these days, call a play in the huddle for me and give me a snap count. Never have. What do you mean? Coach holds this thing up on the side, and I just go like that. I don't want to get into it. I don't want to get into this right now.

Now is not the time to get into that. Yeah. Don't give me started. Why not? Just because here in Indianapolis, we're having a situation. Sure. Okay? Where maybe a quarterback had next-to-no experience whenever he was drafted number four overall.

And maybe experience is a really good thing to have as quarterback, especially if you're going to play in the NFL with all of the things that are going to come across the desk of the starting quarterback of the NFL, not just on the field but off the field, how you handle everything. If you have next-to-no experience, I think it's going to be a tough thing, just get baptized at that particular position. And then you talk about how the expectations, a lot of these college quarterbacks at this level, at this time. Maybe not now because they got ears, so maybe they do have to call a play. Maybe it'll go back to that as opposed to what everybody was doing on the sideline where there were signs being stolen.

But it feels like there was quite a run there where quarterbacks weren't expected to do as many things as they're going to be expected to do at the NFL. And it was almost setting them up for failure whenever they're getting the NFL. So we here in Indy see a guy with no experience. And then also, if he even had experience, it probably wasn't going to be necessarily. providing pivotal pieces of information for him to be a professional quarterback. You're saying it was getting difficult there to find a quarterback throughout a bit of a run, it feels like? I have about 12 years of interviewing quarterbacks who'd never called to play in a huddle, never used a snap count, and we had to teach him how to do that.

You were a college football coach, right? Yes. Was it always that way, or was this like something that just changed mightily? I think tempo started it. Everybody wanted to be uptempo, said he would just hold up a card and everybody knew the formation in the play. Three coaches are signaling to the receivers where to line up, tight end where to line up, running back,

and they held up a card for the play. And, you know, I brought in a young guy who was a heck of a prospect for one of those spring visits, and I said, look, you get in the mirror. I'm going to give you a script. Call these plays in the mirror, and here's a snap count. And you'd look at yourself, and we drafted him. And he came back, and he was ready to do it,

and did a hell of a job. with it and did okay for us. But that was the first time he was probably doing that. First time he'd ever done it. That's crazy to think about just because that moment of you telling the play also, I think we heard Ryan Day talk about it with Julian Sane about watching Will Howard command the huddle. Whenever you come into the huddle, just

like whenever you're on this show, if you come in soft, weak, you are going to be assumed to be a man that lacks confidence on our show. In the huddle, whenever you go in there, first thing out of your mouth, how you're handling yourself is how you're going to be judged by everybody in there. I think that's what they talk about with J.J. McCarthy up in Michigan. He was a freshman, and he went into a huddle.

It was like late in the game or something. Everybody was tired, miserable offensive line. I'm retired. J.J. McCarthy, they said one into the huddle and everybody was like, this is a guy. Like the way he just kind of maneuvered and talked and acted and probably like the quick little thing he said afterwards in the way he handled it all.

It's like that's a huge leadership part of the quarterback position. I think that carries in other things. I think we lost sight of that NFL stuff. I think they were just trying to have immediate success in college, and they were thinking to themselves, we got to win now. I ain't going to worry about developing this guy to be an NFL guy. But then you saw the NFL change a little bit to it, right?

Did the NFL kind of change? It's like Tom Brady's big thing is, like, how easy and basic it's getting for quarterbacks. That was like a big pitching point whenever he retired. I think Peyton was saying the same things about how the reeds quickly became like college-type reads as opposed to NFL-type reads. Did you see that as well? Rock your career? Yeah, guys were never reading post-snap anymore.

Everything was pre-snap. and I think I look at the Ohio State, Texas game, and I see Matt Patricia just totally bamboozle, one of the best young quarterbacks to ever come into the game, because he had to learn to do it. You got two seconds to figure out where this ball is going, all right? And if you're seeing this and they're playing that, if you don't see it within those first three steps of your drop, you're going to throw it to the wrong guy. I'm saying what Arch Manning was seeing was something that was by design to make him look and be as confused as he looked. He looked incredibly confused.

And you're saying that was it just Arch or is it the entire offense that has to kind of deal with it? Oh, it's everybody. The coaches, everybody. And, you know, when you don't know what to prepare for, that's college is a problem. You know, don't play preseason games. You don't get to see anything. And the first time you see it, you're on national television playing number one versus number three. It's like, holy shit.

That ain't easy. I mean, it's not easy for a veteran quarterback in the NFL when you play that system. Okay, let's talk about that system. We actually have a couple plays. Let's run this play here. And what we need to look at here is pre-snap what it looks like and then post-snap what it looks like, right? And we'll have some screenshots of it. Let's run the play.

So Archmanning had to turn his back there a little bit. And then he tried to decipher, figure it out, can't figure it out, overthrows because it's kind of a rush of a throw. Let's go to the pre-snap shot here. Okay, so what does this look like for what Archmanning's looking at? I think for any young quarterback, and vet quarterback in the NFL, they're going to think that's covered zero. It's been a all-out blitz. You've got man coverage all across the board.

There's no deep safety. This guy's playing the tight end. And post-snap, it's totally different. Flip, go ahead to the next one. Okay, so now... You see the backside safety running to the middle. He's trapping the next receiver coming over from the right. The defensive ends dropping the cover of the back, and it's totally different than we saw.

Pre-snap. Now, Peyton, his second or third year? got this. Tom, probably in the second and third year, got this, because this is complicated now. For a college quarterback, especially a young guy starting, this is the highest level you get of defensive football. And Ohio State did an unbelievable job for their young guys, I think, of not showing, giving it away.

Yeah, so why do, I asked Coach Saban this last night, I said it feels like people are making a big deal out of what Matt Patricia was doing. Now, granted, everybody said he was getting that orange got Bella checked or whatever, because Matt Patricia runs a lot of what Belichick was doing. That's not normal in college ball. Why is it not normal in college ball? Because guys give it away. That seemingly was what you guys were talking about.

Yeah, I mean, these guys played together. First of all, you got Igbenoson, who's been there for a while. I think he's a senior. He played a lot of important ball, Caleb Downs, who we talked about not only what he is physically, but mentally what he can handle, what he can communicate. You know, we just talked about preparing and how these quarterbacks were kind of ill-prepared for the next level.

The same thing with defensive backs. It would be guys who came in who never backpedal, who never shuffled, never had to have a two-to-one read. You just played press man to man coverage. So the thing about, you know, Bill and his operation in New England, it wasn't about just players that were talented, but it was about players that could get it between the ears and that way you can communicate,

you can adjust during games, you can adjust on the sideline. And then week-to-week, you can make those type of adjustment. So Maddie P just brought that to Ohio State, and then the talent. Caleb-Done is the key, right? Caleb Downs is the key. He's the quarterback of that defense. So you can do multiple things.

things and when you can adjust those coverages and lie, because you can have a disguise, but if I'm a nickelback and I'm showing something here, but it's a safety capping me, like the quarterback knows, okay, put him in, put him in, he's the possibly pressure, but like if we're all on the same page, if I'm showing something, the safety is showing middle post clothes or something like that, now that's showing a real picture to that quarterback. And then post snap, he has to process that in those, you know, two and a half seconds to get it off.

And that's tough for NFL quarterbacks. alone a freshman, I mean a junior making his first start against a big time program like that. It's crazy to think though that like you mentioned rookie quarterback's going to be tough to figure this type of shit out. More colleges should do this. I guess it's just hard to find the guys

huh? That's like that. To have the athletic ability and the brains those cats are very few. They go to the NFL. You know, every what, 2% go to the NFL. Those guys go to the NFL. Ohio State just happened to about four or five of them. And they had 14 of them last year. That's why reloading

so many guys and both coordinators was such a big deal for this Ohio State team to see how they were going to be. Well, it feels like they got it right. And on the defensive side, it feels like Matt Patricia knows that he walked into a loaded group, but also a very intelligent group. And congratulations, number one team in the country.

Ohio State Buckeyes. AP poll just came out. Ohio State Buckeyes number one in the country. Congratulations, AJ. I know this is what you guys wanted. That's right. All off season. That's what you guys want. That's what we care about. We care about preseason polls and polls after week one. That really, that really congratulations oh age yep i oh age let's see let's just do it in December and January

fellas oh oh number one team in a country come on now wait go great great congrats good season you know what's awesome see if we're there at the end I said this uh on game day at the very beginning this team won the national championship and their fans do not care yeah they do we don't care new year go ahead and lose today by a couple touchdowns go ahead I dare you. We'll be right back into what it was last year. That is legitimately the expectations at Ohio State. That's why it's like I think if you're Ryan Day, the way he talks about it, and you hear Will Howard, and you listen to everybody, it's like, it is an honor to play here. This is going to

be around long after us. We are just kind of the wearers of the uniform at this current moment, and we know what all comes with it. And it feels like Caleb Downs out of Alabama, what a, especially if Matt Patricia's going to lead this type of fucking defense where it's like we're doing a lot of movement. Yeah, you've got to get them on first and second down. You don't see that shit on first and second. They do a great job of getting you in third and six or more. Then God bless you, if you can read that stuff.

What are you going to do? What are you going to do? I think you get your shots early. You got to run the football, but you've got to get your shots on first and second down against them where they're normal. You know, and I know second down, if you're in three wides, Mattie's playing a 5-1, that's it. Go to stop the run with that. Oh, five down.

Five down, cover everybody with one middle linebacker. Well, there's some good things to run against that. but there's only a few coverages you can run with that. Have you ever thought about getting in the college ball again at this stage of your life in calling offense? Never. How easy would it be for you? It'd be hard.

It'd be hard because of the rules. I mean, cats never, first of all, nobody knows how block or tackle anymore because you can't practice it. I love that you're just this. I mean, tackling is a lost art. I say everybody's like a dummy with no arms. I mean, we got to coach it, coach.

Yeah, but you're a lot. allowed to. In high school, you're only allowed, what, three days you can actually tackle? So, Pennsylvania, you're only allowed one week of training camp before the season started. I had no idea that was a rule. That's an actual rule. I don't know if it's all of Pennsylvania or just Wipio. Tone, is it Wipio or all of Pennsylvania? All of PA. All of PA, yeah. I assume it's in other states, too. Do you like that Ohio is there? You got to go down to south. It's never stops. Down there to south. We're playing high school. So we're not. What does that mean one week of What does that mean?

What do they consider camp? I read into it. The first week now has to be like this conditioning period where-aclimation period. Yeah, exactly. That's the acclamation period where, you know, you can only wear pads for so long and you can only be out there for two or three hours a day or whatever. They don't want people dying. When did the boys learn how to tackle?

Game day? Week two. That's what that's the toughest thing in the pros. That's why the early, like week one, week two, like you're going to see some shitty, shitty tackling. Even though defenses are ahead of the game, but guys are making too much, we're not tackling Saquan and A.J. Brown, these guys in practice. So the only live tackling reps you're going to get

is when the bright lights are on, and these guys get paid a shit done of money to not get tackled one-on-one. That's why defense is all about running to the ball, tackling with leverage, taking your shots, trusting the guy on the inside or the outside of you, because guys are too good to just tackle an open field, you know, one-on-one. So, yeah, the only point... And nobody's playing in the preseason.

Yeah, that's the other player. Now, now, people back. It felt like this year there was more people playing. Because they're learning their lesson. Last year there was nobody playing. It felt like we had ass football for a bit. It did feel like we had some shitty football early. This year felt like more people played.

Maybe we're just paying attention to it more because we're talking about it, but it did feel like more guys played. I think you have to. I mean, you've got to get at least a half in, you know, just to feel as a team. It's like 10 city. Yeah, come in, come out, you know. Yeah, Patrick Mahomes out there. Travis is out there.

You know, they're doing their thing. They feel that way. What did Philadelphia do? Do we know? I don't play anybody. Tanner McKee had an unbelievable preseason. They got hurt. The Bengals, they burrow and chase were out there.

First time. First Sergeant, big time Steelers fan. Over in Australia, he asked a couple times. We don't think Aaron should just maybe taking a few snaps in the preseason. Just kind of go through the warm-up, just experience it. Pittsburgh Steeler maybe. Just, you said the fans can maybe see what it looks like to, maybe, just, you know, something. I'm like, I don't think he's a big preseason guy.

If he was to get hurt in a preseason game, you guys would all kill Tomlin for having them out there. So it's like that decision is always happening. He was like, yeah, but we could have seen a, at least a... Take a snap. Hey, I said, we could have just won. A couple war months. I was like, I don't think he's...

I think he was actually trying to change the entire preseason. I think he was actually thinking about changing the entire thing. But our Super Bowl year, we didn't have a preseason. Yeah, COVID year, right? It's COVID. So for the first time, we asked his scrimmage. I was like, you talk about holding your breath. brother. First of all, Tommy

never been in the stadium. And they had that decibel thing that they came out with no fans. They're going to have this decibel thing. I say, okay, we went in. We turned it up. You couldn't hear shit. Really? It could be this loud? And we're tackling.

We're tackling. And I'm like, oh, shit. So we had to do this twice. Two scrimmages? Two scrimmages. And how far apart were they? A week. One week. But it was offense, defense. Offense, first, first, first, best on best.

How many different periods did we do? We did all periods or we did actual? I think we tried, 40 plays. 40 plays that I had enough of this shit. Hold your breath every single step. Oh, God, yeah. Both sides there. Yeah.

I mean, I was like, Vita's, oh, man, don't give me. It was scary, bro. Had to do it, though? You felt all right. We had to. First of all, we had to tackle somebody. And it was like, we got to get to the stadium and see our new guys get in there and know where to go. and here's your locker room

and here's there's not going to be any fans in stands but it's okay there's crazy I know you coached 47 years like was that I know it's the most

you know most unique was that the most difficult year to go by far D I mean that was challenging but I got to give our players credit man and our owners

and we had a huge advantage being in Florida we could be out I never did one Zoom meeting the entire year great state I feel like you lose a lot of connectivity

whenever you're doing Zoom I don't even if they're watching Yeah. Are they really over there? I mean, so we built outdoor facilities to locker rooms, eating, meeting rooms. Everything was outside all the way to the Super Bowl. Now, the northern teams would be freezing their ass off, but we had this huge advantage. That's not your fault.

No, I love it. Yeah, it's perfect, I'm actually happy we're outside. We should do this every year, actually. This is something we should continue on here, maybe. But, man, that we, our guys bought in, and I told him, said, if we beat the virus, we'll win the whole thing because guys are going to be missing time we had i think two or three maybe players miss a game the individual that was stressful every week though right you never knew who was going to be good but god we got tested every day and the playoffs we got tested twice a day

so in the NBA they were that's crazy they were they shoving the thing up the nose to how about how far that was going remember that make you cry every time yeah it was shoving a touch in it we touched the brain yep that's the only place they will tell us if you got it yeah but it works feels pretty uncomfortable yeah it was very accurate it worked So, like, at the end of the day. How about us pulling in that parking garage for WWE and people coming out in Ebola suits? Oh, yeah.

With those sticks, brought to shove up my nose. All right, roll your window. Don't look at us, though. Please. Why are you in those? I look straight ahead. Gloves on, shoving that thing all the way up to my brain. All right, we got to get, I don't know if it's up here.

It is. I can fail it. Oh, we need a little bit more. All right, can't get that contaminate. Yeah, he's positive. Tiff, tuff. That's almost what it felt like. I mean, remember the, what was it, the Korean net?

Remember they were catching people over in, like, South Korea? It was a walled talking. It was crazy. So that's why when people attacked, like, the Lakers won in the bubble down there, it's like, is that a real championship? It's like, man, do you remember? There was a lot of bullshit going on. Oh, yeah. Everyone had to deal with.

Like the amount of obstacles that everybody had to go through. I would say, I would argue that if you could put that asterisk in proper perspective, people would be more impressed with that championship. than without it. I legitimately think that because of all the obstacles. Nobody really talks about the NFL one because it happened in a stadium. Everybody watched it. The games were played, everything like that. It's not really ever chatted about as being one that's not viewed as equal.

The NBA, definitely. This one, I don't think it's ever been chatted about. But with that being said, in the future, it's going to be hard to explain how hard it was to even have that fucking season. I mean, just play a game, let alone everything else. Remember, early on, I can't remember what week it was, but I think it was like the Titans or someone. And it went through the locker And they had like 13 guys that were down for Sunday And we were like

There's no way they're going to be able to play a full seat It is going to happen every single week To a couple different teams You're going to be expecting to go And it's like well Actually you're going to have six starters on offense and defense That aren't going to be able to play on Sunday And the guys that you're signing

That aren't in your building They have to stay in a hotel Locked away from everybody for eight days or something Eight days or something like that So they can't practice They're on your team Must have the antibodies The antibodies was the key

I tell you what it was crazy about that year my wife met Tom Brady for the first time on the stage at Super Bowl Oh because you guys weren't really able to see anybody That's crazy Which once again sucks with building camaraderie and building a team

And it was It was the most bizarre year coaching We're opening up in New Orleans And it's empty I'm a little loud I cussed a little bit And I'm cussing out one other players

He's like damn coach It's going to be like that? I said, hell yeah, brother. He could hear you. It wasn't as loud as what the first decibel thing they told you was going to be? Wasn't any noise? It was crazy. I could hear Sean.

He could hear me. Yeah, Ben Rothensberger. The thing about Ben Rothersberger is allegedly the D.Bs could just hear him telling the wide receivers what routes to run. Because I guess Rotherzberger is a guy that just will say, hey, run slant, like on the field. And I guess that was the story that was coming out, right? Yeah, you can hear it on the game. DBs were like, just.

Don't let him know we can hear him. We can hear everything he's doing out there. Ben was the old school guy, huh? Felt like... Fucking go deep. One of the best, brother. In big games, the big games, I'll take him over all of them.

He's just a dog, right? Total. He is in everything it feels like. He's a massive shit talker. Take him over all of them, Bruce? In the big game. Bruce, Bruce. You heard what he said.

You all heard what he said. He did. He's the only one that I've had that I've had to go 92 yards to win the Super Bowl. That's fair. And? And he won. And Heinz shouldn't even have been in the game.

His knee was gone. Nate had a separated shoulder. He only had two guys that could catch. Santone Hill and Heath. And, of course, he kept feeding tone. Absolutely. One of the greatest catches in the history of football. But the throw was better.

Ben should have been MVP. Oh, you're still bummed out about that. I'm still pissed about it, yeah. I think Ben probably pretty bummed out about it. If you look at that throw, and it's like, he bit he lobs it back there and just sticks his hands up great catch great toe tap as well i'm going to throw insane the fact that you guys won awesome uh and i love that you just said that about ben rothusberg

and i don't know if you heard there was a climax and hammer down time tone you love everything you just said right there how you might put it as your uh ex bio yeah i do because ben gets a lot of credit wherever but like playing during brady and manning's era and then breeze was there as well and like i don't know if he gets as many flowers as he should But no, hearing that was awesome. He's my hero. You know that. Trying to get seven this year, though.

Yeah, we are. I woke up this morning, and I literally thought to myself, I am Will, I can't wait to go to hell and back with Aaron Rogers. Let's go. It's not too hot. It's not too hot down there, brother. Exactly. Mother I might be taking you on a trip, too.

I'll go to the eighth dimension and back. Okay. Okay, all right. I like that. You should do that. as a, maybe you have to do that before the season to really, before the program one day and then we just kind of sit with tone.

Yeah, I think before the season two to pay respects to Mother Eye. Yes. And to Aaron, obviously. I think you should have to do that. No, he doesn't do that anymore. Make some calls. Do you know? Do we know that? Yeah, I talked to him yesterday. What'd you say? Said, what's up, dude? He said, I'm ready. Can't wait.

And then you asked him about Iowa. No, I didn't want to talk to him too much. That was kind of like unwritten, unspoken words. Because words have curses No Spells words are spelled They cast spells If that's how you guys want to take it

That's how you think Oh you receive that message differently From your quarterback And a man who's going to bring seven to Pittsburgh I can't wait Are you guys winning the Super Bowl this year? I don't see why not do you? Fuck it

Why not? Packed AFC Packed Yeah I think I can think of Cincinnati and Baltimore That might be a problem Cincinnati, Baltimore, Buffalo, Indianapolis, Kansas City, you know.

One of those doesn't fit, but I got you. I'm not worried about the division. Division, you know how it is, B.A. The division, you know how it is, B.A. The division, you take care of the division. You were there. Yeah, that's it. You're right. Bills, Chiefs, yeah, those, though.

Broncos. Man, he's still got to show me. Don't tie. Chargers. He's got to show me what Ben did. That's winning Baltimore. Yeah. I mean, Halo did not have hit him one time,

busted his nose. He came over the sideline. is it okay his nose was like over here somewhere Byron goes oh he says that bad

dogs you're good Bruce was that you were you there was that with A.B when he ran the like

the slot go against the Ravens to win yes that's one of his first big big catches yeah

Antonio Brown so good of football Holodianana's nose is off of his faces Benz no beds oh man

not a he's he's bad fist right to No roughing the passer. No flag. No flag whatsoever. Ben never got it.

Back from ball was ball. Yeah, it's back when Ben was rolling out there with two boots. Yeah. He was two boots. Ice bag, don't both knees. Hey, man. What a beast, Ben Rolfersberg. Good podcast host as well.

Is this it right here? Third and eight. He's got his right foot tape. It's probably broken if I had to guess. Is that A. B. A. B. A. Mike Wallace? Oh, that was the punch of the nose from Helodianata. Okay, on the way down there, I think you saw him wrapping him.

A man a kick to the back of the head. Frum Bart Scott. T. Sizzle got him in the back of the head. Was that Suggs? Sorry. Yeah, Sugs with the kicket. Oh, yeah. Leaking.

Yep, can't even tell, Ben. Can't even tell. You're good. Raven Steeler is so awesome. Oh, dude. Hololy was a monster. Boom. Left hand.

Right to the face. Helodianada with a left hook to your face. Yeah, you're good, dude. His hand is the size. Yeah, he can't even tell. Oh, my God. That had to hurt so bad. Oh, my God.

So you like Ben Rothersberger, obviously. Andrew Luck. Peyton Manning. No, I'm just saying. I love him. Yeah, I can never say who's the best. Tom Brady. Well, he kind of did.

Yeah, Carson Palmer. Even Timmy Couch. Timmy Couch took Cleveland Browns to the playoffs. Tim Coucho. Broke's his leg in the last game. And then Kelly Hockem goes in and throws from 420-yard kids to Steelers. That's so many quarterbacks that you've worked with, though, just like throughout the history of football.

You getting to work with Tom Brady at the end of it, I thought was really cool. It was fun. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, because, like, your umbrella of coaches and your people, Tom Brady seemingly was never going to be able to experience. I would, I love, I mean, he's chatted about how you're vastly different than Bill, but I would like to get his entire thoughts on

like your guys' operation versus how Bill run. Because you guys both won Super Bowls, you know, so it's like, such an interesting dynamic on how a building is run. The funniest, the funniest, the funniest, the funniest. Oh, yeah. They'll grow. He's like, I've got a root for this motherfucker.

I've hated him for 20 years. I said, we're going to love him now, Tom. You're damn right we are, brother. Yeah, yeah, we have an opportunity to get Tom Brady in this building. We definitely love him, buddy. I mean, he was talking about earlier when he was, like, starting out coaching or maybe not starting out, when he was coaching for Bear Bryant. And it's like, I don't know if I'm Alabama. Yeah, for Alabama, it's like that, that's for, I mean, as a new school dude, if you will, that's like the first coach you hear about growing up as like the father of college football.

That's black and white film. Yeah, that's what that is. And one thing about coach, we played 66 players in every game. He substituted every player. No assistant coach ever think about sending body on that field. Okay, so he just wanted the whole team to play. He didn't want starters? Alan Gray would start a quarterback, the first series,

then he was the P.P. the rest of the game. And two other quarterbacks would come in and play. This is Bear Bryant football? Is that how it always was? Always. He always, he believed in just. just wearing you out with waves and waves of fresh players. Soldiers.

And you said he personally did all the substitution? Everyone. That's crazy. All the way to the Liberty Bulletin. Yeah, for people that don't know, head coaches don't do it at least today. No. Defense, they have one of the assistant coach who are responsible for every group, nickel, dime, offensive, I'm sure it's the same thing.

Special teams, you have your punt unit. Like, that's insane. There's a lot happening there, commotion, coming on and off. Too many men, not enough men. I mean, that is a real thing. So for one, 66 subs. Yeah. Unbelievable.

Unbelievable. Other teams in hell. Full speed. Who is this guy? I did nine or 12 running backs. Get ready every game. Wishbone. That's so cool.

I do not know this. How are we just now learning? This is Bear Brian football? Oh, yeah. 12 running backs? Yeah. You're going to have hell today. our tenth running back

he's the most powerful we got thunder lightning thunder thunder lightning thunder lightning thunder lightning tornado hurricanes we're playing Kentucky we're playing Kentucky we're playing Kentucky we're supposed to be beating them by 30 we're losing in the fourth quarter

how they're starting eight string just in the NBA game we got the ball in a two-yard line coming out and the four string guys are in there I'm in the press back going Craig Cal Moore who's our offense quarter of a great guy

hired Nick and bow what the what fuck are we doing get the good guy he ain't say shit right man one dude makes

unbelievable one-handed catch the other guy makes the best block quarterback runs we get out to the 20 here come the third breads we scored in three plays

I never questioned him ever again yeah you use the fours to get to the 20 shut up the ones he trusted them he trusted them

they were all seniors all right he trusted them to do the right thing to get us out of there and then he put the third reds back in That's crazy.

That is unbelievable. I had no idea. While there are no famous anecdotes about a specific bear Brian's substitute player, the legendary coach navigated several different areas of substitution roles during his career. One of his hallmarks was using platoon systems and substitutions to his advantage like hockey, line two, ensuring players refreshing assignments were met. Wow. I didn't know that was the case.

That's the coolest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, I didn't know. That won too, right? We won a lot. More than anybody. I mean, I think in the 70s, they were. a hundred and ten hundred five and ten that's because they just yeah well if you've seen a special on the wishbone i've just came out okay it's it's a great tribute to well i think one of the

brightest minds ever is emery ballard he invented into wishbone and darrell royal let chuck fairbank send very switzerland guys down to texas and learn the wishbone from emory and coach sent Jimmy Sharpen those guys over to learn the wishbone and that flipped both programs. Okay, so football owes the wishbone. It's a heck of a documentary. You're saying football owes the wishbone.

Oh, God. The documentary definitely says. Totally, yeah. It's awesome. It's like the model T car. Yeah. It's like need that at the beginning because you think about the wishbone.

What Army Navy was running it. That's how they're beating everybody up to three years ago. Yeah, because everybody got to the air raid, which was much like what you were talking about there, how, Mommy, right, starts the air. raid and then his people start like kind of going across and the air raid takes over football not just college football takes over all the football everybody starts getting smaller now this wishbone comes in and starts hammering everybody it's like football is so cyclical that is like

such an obvious thing which leads to number one player in the NFL running back saquan barclay congratulations thank one well deserve running back just a couple years ago you guys didn't want to pay him you didn't want to pay running backs a couple years ago and now sayquan barclay got paid two years in advance and how much is he making per year 20 I want to say, yeah, 195, 20. He just got an extension. It was like two years, 42, I thought. So total money, I'm not sure on what he was making.

So from a time where, you know, he was let out of the Giants building, all on hard knocks where everybody saw it all unfold, to a time where no running backs were getting paid, he signs a deal with Philadelphia for less money than he probably could have made in some places, does very well. And then they re-up him immediately and say, hey, we appreciate you here. We're going to pay you. And then his peers around the NFL are going to vote him the number one player in the NFL.

What an exit? from the New York Giants for Sequan Barclay. Everything has gone great since leaving that organization. AJ obviously well-earned for Seaquin at all, and he carried the NFL there on his back for a bit. We were watching the Saquan-Barkley show and the Philadelphia Eagles Offensive Line Show for a good three, four weeks during that playoff run

with the most amount of eyes. Well, yeah, I think that's the scary thing for their opponents this year. They're returned Sequan and the offensive line, so that's, you know, at the very worst, they're going to be still very, very good on the ground. But the thing is other teams say, oh, there's the formula. That's what we're going to do. We got to run the ball.

There's only one Sequin, though. We know that. And there's only, like, you've got to put together an offensive line. You've got to find either running back by committee or somebody Sequan-esque to be your guy. But, like, yeah, Sequin is a special, special dude. Sequin has power of 12 running backs like it was back in a day. That's right. What are you seeing, Seekwon?

And more specifically, the offensive line and the way they go about running their offense over there in Philadelphia that you love, B.A. Big, big fan of Nick Siriana. He's got a great reception. respect for the game, you know, and the history of the game. But that offensive line is not back. Really? McI. Beckton's gone. Dickerson's hurt. Yep.

Yeah, but he was drinking beers after practice. We think he wouldn't be drinking beers at the practice. He didn't practice on money for a Thursday night game. That scares me. Yeah, but he was drinking beers on a practice. They were expecting him. That's okay. I mean, who doesn't? I guess you're right. I guess you're right. That shouldn't be an indicator that he's feeling good. He's just feeling.

Yeah, it's not the same offensive line. Sequin is, he runs like a 150 pound back, and he runs like a 250 pound back. He's got the feet of that shifty little guy, that scat-back guy, but he's got the power of Earl Campbell. I mean, this guy's, he's unique, and he was unique coming out,

and, yeah, I would have paid him. Because he also can run routes and be a great receiver. He's a very unique player. I guess he's a leader, too, and the locker room loves him. Great person. He's got the whole package. He loves golf, too, I guess.

He loves golf, too, I guess he loves golf. Yeah, Pennsylvania, which is obviously good news. And Serioni, let's go back to that. You talk about respect for the game. His dad was a coach, right? If I do recall, in Western Pennsylvania. Where do you coach at, IUP? Yes, sir.

Coach at IUP, Indiana University of Pennsylvania. Obviously, that place has a lot of good time in its history. And I think probably in its presence, if I had to get it. In the future. And probably in the future, they're going to have a lot of good times. IUP. But you're talking about just like old school football. And what did he tell Howley that his dad thought him, Coach Sieriani told Howie what? O line D line. That's what his dad believes. That's what he believes. And they do. Their front four on defense and then their

offensive line, even though you point out a couple things that are certainly going to be maybe a little bit of adversity for them to figure out in the first. They build through the offensive line and defensive line. Totally. That's a way to do it. I think so too. And that's always been my philosophy too. You know, if I get a quarterback, I'm not drafting two receivers. I'm drafting two tackles. All right, and a center. So we're inside out here. Yeah, but those two guys got to

protect him and that guy's got to run it up front. Jeff Saturday. All right, who came out of nowhere. North Carolina. Where was he last night? Good question. He's no Carolina tall here. He just had open her surgery. What? Oh, sure. Okay. Jeff, we hope you're okay.

We know where you were. He had an aneurysm had a handiress him had to have fixed. What? Jeff, he's in peace, by the way. He's doing good. That's scary. I'm happy to hear he's okay. It's real scary.

Jeff, good human for society, so I'm happy to hear he's okay. One of the best, yeah. Okay, North Carolina. Let's get some wins for Jeff. He's on the men. Jeez, Louise. But Jeff Saturday, Center for Peyton Man, a huge ordeal. That obviously became a relationship for 11 years, 12 years.

Crazy how he got there. I forget who got hurt. We didn't have enough offensive linemen for camp. And we had drafted his defensive linemen out of North Carolina. I forget who it was. He went in and told Bill Pulling, and you ought to bring Jeff Saturday in. you know, he's one the toughest guys ever

went against. Howard goes, he'd do damn little. Jeff comes in, he starts, what, 14, 15 years. Howard Mud, rest in peace. Howard, one of his favorite people. Oh, one of the best. Offensive line coach, dog. Oh, the best. Absolutely. There's some legends

on that coaching stuff. Oh. Rest in peace. J.T., rest in peace. An absolute beast on the defense side over there, too. Colts had a lot of great ones, man. And we're going to do it again with Danny Dimes, who was another part of that hard knocks. You know, whenever Sake Juan left. Yeah.

One player in the NFL, they stuck with Danny Dimes. It didn't work out. Now he's an idiot. He's going to be an all pro. Here's the top 10 voted on by the players. Congratulations, Lamar Jackson, number two, Josh Allen, number three. Jamar Chase, number four. Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Derek, Henry, Miles Garrett, Justin Jefferson,

and Patrick Sertan, the second round out the top 10 players, voted on by their peers going into the season. Debutt, how do you feel about the top 10? Got a defensive guy up there. Yeah, I think it's a good list. You got a defensive player at a year at 10 with Patrick Sartan. Miles Garrett, you know, I guess his peers view him as the best pass rush in the league. Lamar Jackson, back-to-back years at number two. I thought his season, last season, has been his best so far in his career.

He's already a two-time MVP. He could have easily been number one, but Sequin, deservingly so I think he was deserving as well. Jamar Chase, Triple Crown, best receiver in the game right now, Justin Jefferson right there behind him. I think this is a quality top ten. And Sequan, he got all the hype, deservingly so. but Derek Henry had a phenomenal year last year. I think Jemir Gibbs will be in the conversation

for best running back in the league this year. And B. John Robinson, too, can be in that conversation as well. Some special, special backs right now. It feels like the players here are talking about the Bontzman Ravens. Not a lot of talk about the Bontzman Ravens from the media. No, no. Except for Bada. Yeah.

Obviously, Bud is doing a lot of talking about the Ravens, which we appreciate. They've got to get it this year. They can, though, right? I mean, there's stats. The guy that I think should be on there is T.J. Watt. Okay. All right. You're saying in the division.

Game record. He was number 11. I mean, no old lineman. I don't say that to debuts, coach. Okay. He hates him. I love T.J., he's a dog. Oh, I heard what you said.

Oh, it feels like the players think Miles Gaird's the best pass. I know, I heard what you did there. I've just said what the peers say. I'm not in the locker room anymore. I'm just talking to my phone. Did you do this top hundred vote? I did not. Oh, as a player?

Yeah. Yeah. I'm disposed here. And Patrick Mahomes, too. I didn't want to disrespect Patrick Mahomes. He's up there at five, which is based on his year last year. I don't think he was a top five player But coming into this year

With how the Super Bowl ended I think he's gonna come in Scorce Earth this year I think he's got something to prove He left that in Nebraska Since he came a little early He had to get to bet Obviously he had kids as well

You know he actually commented I don't know if you saw that So they posted Patrick Mahomes living Dylan Royola's game early Like he was committed to stay To that whole fucking game Right

Ryo memes because of that Yeah how do you guys feel about that? I didn't like it at all I like Patrick Mahomes underneath going Yeah, I'm a fucking adult, dude. I got kids. I got three kids. Sorry, man.

I came to show love. I did try to come show love here. That guy does a lot of stuff like him. I don't like too much. I know we're having Matt Rule on the program every year. I don't fucking be your own man. This thing sucks. Everything else, fine.

They don't do this. They don't do like the hurry up thing. This has never been seen except for Mahomes. And people don't really like it when Mahomes does it. So when My Apartments, which is definitely the best nickname for him, when he starts doing it, then people. That's a nickname. Apartments.

Like Apartments, Mahomes. Instead of Mahomes. Yeah, a lot of people on the internet, Mappartments for Royola, which, again, is great. But this is the only, like, because the warm-up stuff, it's like, okay, you're trying to emulate him, be like him. Macondo. Yeah. Bingo. My Lakehouse.

Movilla. Okay. I love the internet. I would never thought of that. Yeah, absolutely. I love the internet. It's the greatest place on earth. There's a lot of things, but he, I mean, why not emulate the next go?

Exactly. No, and that's why the on the field stuff is cool. But this thing, it's not cool. This is the one. You're right. That's right. The on the field stuff, it's not. He's a college man.

Him coming out and jumping around like Mahomes, him wearing exactly what Mahomes does with the glasses and the necklace. Like, I get it. Be your own fucking man, dude. You're the number one. you know, ranks prospect coming out. You're not Patrick Mahomes. You don't, and you know what? He doesn't even really look like him that much.

Okay? He doesn't. So we can fucking stop that right now. What are you talking about? I just, I don't know. No, he does. Mahon's good as hell. No, he doesn't. When you see it 400 times a day, every single day, the more you see it, it's like, you know what?

It really don't look that much alike. They have a similar haircut. Sure, I mean, I'm sick of it. Be your own man. Be Dylan Ray-Oval. That opinion does exist. Ty has it. A lot. Others have it as well.

And I didn't have a problem with it I really didn't And then I was watching the Sincey game I was like you know what fuck it I'm done with this shit I'm sick and tired to see And it's all we talk about Every game

Every game You can see him Realize it Halfway through him doing this too You've seen that clip He goes like this like twice And then realize it's like That's not what Mahal does

Oh fuck And then like one like this On his helmet And then waits He goes okay And never mind Let's fucking here it is Oh yeah come on

No no tunnel Let's tunnel Yeah fuck that We tunnel up Oh see that Come on. Trying to get the plate into his helmet. No, no, no, no.

Good play, no, no. This was the only thing. Sure, that's a reach. That was a reach. Everything you just did was a reach right now. No, because when you partner it with all the fucking shit, dressing exactly like on the whole warm-up thing, all that stuff. When you partner them together.

Oh, so you feel exactly all he feels, too. It sounds like you were trying to go out to there for a minute. It feels like you kind of snapped. I am not a college football team guy. The Iowa thing you could argue kind of factors. And may play. as a small role. You could argue that factors in.

I like Riola. I think he's nasty, and I don't think he needs to do all that shit. That's why the extra stuff. Also, he's the son of an old lineman. He's like fucking 6-8. It's like, dude, you could do some really cool stuff under 6-8. I don't know, but Mahomes doesn't have all the cool. Like, he's not eye-to-eye with Trey Smith.

Like, Raola, you could just be like the biggest, toughest, grittiest son of a bitch. He's going to be. I don't know because he's Tick-Talking. He's doing this. He's not Tick-T-T-T-T-T-T-C-T-C-T-C. I don't know. All of a sudden, I might be an Iowa fan. The more we talk about this.

Is it Iowa or Nebraska? Is that how that goes? I can't be either. It can't be one or the other. Oh, really? Is that real? It's like Auburn, Alabama. Well, it's interesting you bring that up because in the last 11 years,

Iowa's beat Nebraska 10 times. Nebraska's won once, and people from Nebraska like to act like it's some big robbery. It's not. They were never in the Big Ten. They are recently. you know so no iowa fans don't think like that at all but you hate this guy because he's at nebraska so maybe you know that that certainly plays a role so maybe i i also hate him because

like i said jesus you can't hate this guy you you put those words into my mouth then i got because he's a college kid i'll give a fuck you know do it do whatever you never got a part of school i'm just saying i'm sick and tired he threw 15 touchdowns and 11 interceptions last year he ain't fucking patrick bohomes so let's stop What's Grinowski doing? Are we like where Garnaski's at? I don't know. He won the FCS Heisman last year.

So if he wants to act like fucking Josh Allen who won MVP, I think that makes a little bit more sense because he's, you know, proofs in the pudding. I mean, we'll, again, like I said, we'll see. We'll see. It's going to be a good season. It's going to be a good season. Is he acting like Josh Allen?

I didn't know that. No, not really. He's just to put your head down and go to work kind of guy, which is what I appreciate about. Those are the kind of guys we want in Iowa City. Granoski. Exactly. But how much you follow college, Paul?

Did you get your start in college ball? Yeah, started at Virginia Tech. Right after playing? Yep. It was a graduate assistant. Got hired full. Danny Ford left and went to Clemson. Charlie Pell went, was on our staff also.

I was Charlie's graduate assistant. Then Danny left. I got a full-time job making $10,000 in a car. Rich, but I thought I was hit the fucking lottery. Yeah, living, baby. And bought a house, had a baby, and got fired. No longer got $10,000 in the car. Welcome to college football.

That's coach. How long did you coach in college before you went to get in? Oh, 14, 15 years. Holy shit. So you're very well versed in the college world. That's head coach for six years in college. Temple. Great time.

See the pictures over there. You guys had some legends on your staff. Yes, we do. Right? Like, I mean, there's like big names that are on your staff there at Temple. If we were to pull that up, can we pull that up? The picture has like a who's who. Temple.

Are you guys great? No. Well, we did beat everybody ex-step Penn State and the East. It came close. Paul Palmer, the best football player I've ever coached. Who's on your staff there? Paul Davis was my defensive coordinator, who was Shug Jordan's defensive coordinator for 15 years,

was the head coach at Mississippi State in 61 and 63. And he ran the split tackle six, and I wanted, everybody started going to trips in motion, and he was actually, he was best friends with Coach Bryant, and he was on our staff at Alabama the last year. And I wanted him to teach me that defense. And then I talked to him in the coming to be our defensive coordinator to teach it to Nick Rapone.

And then he retired. I brought in John Devlin, who signed me to my scholarship at Virginia Tech. Then he hired them. Yeah. That's cool, though. Good for you. Yeah.

And John stayed with us. Clyde Christensen, well, half those guys were on my staff at Arizona. Yeah, Clyde. That's what I'm saying. Clyde Christensen, obviously. Nick Rapone, John Latina. Ray Zingler, who was from Pitt. I had Coach Hugh Green and those guys out there.

Yeah, remember. What year is this? 83 to 88. Jesus. So long. Bill Clave. And then your first job in the NFL is with? Kansas City with Marty Schottenheimer, a coach and running backs.

And I had to cut Paul Palmer. That was the hardest day of my life. Damn. Marty did not like little backs. Paul was the number one pick of theirs and running up for the heisman. and led the nation in Russia in two years at Temple. And you know who we played. And that was a hard day, but Christian Nicoyette, Barry, he like big backs.

We were like 240, 260, 250. Hell yeah. How about you? So, Kansas City, legend, Kansas City to Pittsburgh, when do you end up in Pittsburgh? Oh, not for another three or four firings. Cleveland, you were there? I was Cleveland and went to the playoffs. Next year, got fired, and went to, went to the playoffs.

next year got fired and went to Pittsburgh 2002 maybe run there What a run you had at Pittsburgh Unreal Tommy Gun That was a good eight years Tommy Maddox Fucking Tommy Gunn XFL sensation

Oh yeah It's his birthday today by the way Happy birthday Tommy Maddie Happy birthday Taze That's birthday Tommy Gun There's no way he thought that was happening today There's someone else's birthday today too I forget Terry Bradshaw

Terry Bradshaw and other Pittsburgh still are like Terry Bradshaw. You know, he put his finger on point of a ball when he threw it. Unbelievable. Mac can sling it now. Doc, you didn't put him as your... No, we're not going to get back into that. Joe Montana's top three is doing some numbers on the Internet.

Yes, it is. As I expected. As I expected. And at the end of this, you and BA are going to create a segment that everybody's going to talk about. It's when I said two questions into it. You did? And then, lo and behold, yeah, pretty big. It's going pretty big out there.

It wasn't your top three, right? And also, if you were a GM drafting right now, is potentially not getting in the conversation, you know. That's an important part of it. That's a big part of it. And also, Brock Purdy can't be a part of it. Right. Which people don't think they're seeing that either.

Well, because the age thing, I think, is a big, you know, pitching Josh Allen and Mahomes. I think they're pretty close. They are pretty close. Yeah, but there's a birthday. He's a leap year or two. Joe was just getting much right. Yeah.

He was just waking, wakey. You know, he's living his life. We got the double goals. Yeah. Double Golds. I mean, early on, him going, Oh, fuck, all right. I think he was in Hawaii, I think.

So that's a six-hour difference. Yeah, early morning. Jeez. Pretty bright over there. What are you guys doing? You guys are already up, huh? Yeah. Are we doing this?

Yeah, you'd quiet down a little bit. Maybe you're talking pretty loud right now. Double golds, I had about 10 of those last night. My head is pounding. Peking, baby. All right, B.A., we appreciate you, man. You want to make a putt? for the people?

Oh. What? A putt. Oh. I got five or six putters in the lake right now. Next week. Yep.

All right, we appreciate you traveling out. We'll see you next week. We'll see you next week, baby. You're the man. Thank you for doing this. Hell yeah. You're going to be great.

The BS or no BS with BA is going to get out of control. That is going to become that becomes the place where we can just really put all the absurd shit in there. And then you'll have to be the one that kind of guides us.

And also, you're going to shape a lot of our thoughts. So just think about that when you're watching these games. Got it. We appreciate it in advance. You're going to make us smarter, make us better, make us more entertaining. It's going to be a lot of fun. I know that. Are you going to wear that ring every time? I don't think so. Come on. It looks awesome. It actually sounded

awesome too because you can open that song bitch at the top and then there's like people that live inside. That's right. Whole world. There's like diamonds in there and stuff that are just living in there and then you just got to put the top back on. We could hear that a couple times that there was maybe an actual dome on top of something. It's a beautiful ring.

great job at that. Yeah, Darcy. Can you open the... Is that a Jason? Wow. That's just... Our locker room's a diamond. Then all the scores.

You have to show camera a little bit there is. Then historic was the first team never went at home. Then the Rams copied it to the T. And they went at home too. Yeah, that used to be a thing you couldn't... Nobody would get lucky enough to have it be there a year of the year that they're hosting.

Yeah, never happened. And of course, we only had $30,000. I think $32,000? No, but remember, there's 27,000. thousand cardboard cutouts oh yeah because i'm looking for my sister and all of a sudden i see something moving and mom was 90 gosh 94 5 then she was there oh that's awesome i'm happy to hear that happened she's 100 now legend happy birthdays we missed them all she had a hell of a party i promise yeah i could have met 100 years old yeah holy shit that's a long time in the jeans oh gosh yeah

she's she's amazing so you're going to live forever i doubt i bow like my dad dad. He went to 79. We hope not. We hope you're around forever and we appreciate you. All right. We'll be back tomorrow. Be a friend, tell him something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Come on, Tone. Please. He's coming.

What was that? A good fistball. Whipped his headphones out, I think. Oh, yeah, because they can get a little feisty. Stuck a little bit. Yeah, fucking ears. The Buccaneers. Yeah. Mm-hmm. all right team on me

anything you say to the team coach let's fucking go let's go we'll see you guys tomorrow team on three one two three team goodbye