The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1418 - FIRST 15: NFL Week 4 Recap

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

Pat, Darius Butler, and the boys break down the biggest storylines of week 4 of the NFL season in the FIRST 15. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the first 15, driven by Ram Trucks. Got to sponsor this segment. We love everything about that. Shout to Ramtrucks. Obviously, you hit their pedal, all you hear is ram-ram-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r. It rides on clouds. It can pull anything. Let's get to the first 15, shall we? Let's start the clock. Five, Ties. Can't have it. Okay? Obviously, Michael Parsons goes back to Jerry World. It's talk of the time. They're treating it like it's Super Bowl. You got everybody on the field, chit-chatting about. in Football Night in America, and obviously, everybody on Earth is chatting about it. The first time he went on to the field, Jerry Jones was actually being interviewed by Jason

Garrett and Maria Taylor. Jason Garrett's first question was basically like, hey, I've been in your building a long time. Need a quarterback? Need a pass rusher. That's like one of your own rules. Why'd you trade away Micah? And then he went into a full conversation about, well, one guy's good, but how about six guys? That's what I think we can actually get. And he ran out with a band around his hips and around his waist.

That was the first time I'd ever seen somebody just jog out there and act as if that. is normal. Usually people do like a warm-up with that. He was using it throughout the entirety of his warm-up on the field. Kind of startled me a little bit, but with that being said, the man is an absolute ox. This dude is an absolute beast. Whatever he needs to do to warm up his muscles, he's certainly going to do. But Jerry Jones said, basically, we're going to get six gas instead of just one guy. I mean, I've always been right about numbers. Don't you worry about everything else that's going on around here, Jason? And they had a microphone a little bit far away from his mouth, so it was hard to hear him. Everybody else was a little bit

louder, but basically he chatted about Michael Parsons' trade a thousand different times. And all he kept saying was for the good of the team, good of the team, good of the Cowboys. And then at the very end of the game, after it was 40-40 tie, here's what Jerry Jones had to say about the trade and the night as a whole. They got Michael and we've got what we've got and we tie. Okay, so 40-40 is what it comes down to. And a lot of American football fans say, what are we doing?

This is what soccer does. Yeah. Golf doesn't even do it. Okay. Golf doesn't even do ties. Why are we doing ties? Well, there's been 17 of them in the last 30 years, and we say that's 17 way too many. What we need to institute and debut, people are going to think I'm joking here. I'm not. What I need you to do is suspend reality and go into this world just a little bit and imagine how special this will be. Ladies and gentlemen, say hello to the golden boot. Yes, we have chitch-chat about it before, but if there's an entire four quarters of football played 60 minutes, and then an overtime period, and for summer, reason these two teams can't figure it out we need to just take what the most boring sport has that is actually the most electrifying thing that they have and put it into our game both the

snap the holder and the kicker will go out onto the field from both teams obviously it's going to be a rompice atmosphere it's a tie ball game there's been four quarters of boozing there's been four quarters of learning everything about the other team those boys go out on the field all by themselves incredibly uncomfortable incredibly awkward and one team will kick from the 50 or 40 yard lines, a 50-yarder. If they make it, the next team, obviously, whoever wins the coin toss to go second or first, will try to match. If that person misses that 50-yarder, well, the kicker that made it, and the holder that made it, and the snapper that made it, their team wins the game. If they both make it from 50, go back to 55. If they both make it from 55, go back to 60.

If they both make it from 60, go back to 65. McManus and Aubrey, massive legs. Massive, massive legs. McManus is one of the best athletes in the NFL, okay? Any sport, put him in, he would be great at, which is why it's crazy that he's so damn good at kicking field goals, because you have to be very methodical whenever you're kicking field goals, just like a golf swing. So sometimes the really athletic guys aren't as good

because they get a little crazy. McManus, obviously, and I think, they had two tackles last night. Yeah, they had two tackles. Obviously game tire, had one blocked, which absolutely sucks. Don't always put that on the kicker, but it's a 53-yarder to send it into overtime. Massive leg, especially with the beat-up balls. Him and Aubrey would have both

hit from 65. Then what? They're going back 70. And then imagine a miss on the first one. And then Aubrey walks out there in Jerry World. Snap hole kick. He hits from 70. Think about that place going absolutely a apeshink. I think it's only a 5 to 10 minute thing.

I don't think it's a very long, long time. I don't think it's very drawn out. And I think you get a chance to get a winner or a loser. And if it comes to that point of the golden boot, we need somebody to win. Yeah. Need to. 300.0 and 1 or something is a stat for something that took place for

40 plus points and no turnovers by the home team, I think it was. Yeah, 300 wins and zero losses is what it used to be. Now it's 300.0 and 1. We just can't have these ties. And it doesn't have to be the golden boot, but there are certainly things that we can create. Maybe just have it go until we have a winner, especially if they both tie on the first drives. Just go ahead and keep going until we have a winner, untimed, basically, at the end. But we hate this.

And that game was hyped up, and that's how it ends. Kind of, it's kind of what the fuck that I stay up here for it. Yeah, very anti-climactic. I didn't even think about that. I thought about several other things because it was 80-point score. Maybe have both defensive coordinators just go out there and run suicides to one of them pass out. That's a good idea. Like the I ever food.

Oklahoma's, yeah. But the golden boot, I love that rule. One thing I would change, though, with all the field goal blocks this year, we got to put the four units out there. Yeah, I need the four unit out there. I need Zaire Rogers or somebody coming off the edge. I like that. Then you can start it much closer, too. Yeah, he can do 45.

Yeah. 40, 45. And I think they should be able to pick, left, hash, middle, or right, whatever the hell you want. Listen, because at the end of the day, I think what builds up the drama is make, make, make, and then the builds. Now, granted, if the first kicker makes it, and then the second kicker just gets swatted, oh. So cool. Place would explode. Good call.

I like what we're doing here. We can continue to brainstorm, but just know the ties can't happen. On that note, both teams walk out of their happy, Green Bay Packers owner. obviously second to last play not desirable before the game tying field goal where you guys almost literally throw that game away in overtime as time expires. What year is this for the

coordinator? What year is this for the quarterback being together? Crazy that this has taken place. LaFleur addressed that afterwards. It was like, yeah, I can't have it. Basically, that's not good. We've got to work on the details. Should have been already doing that is what a lot of people would say, but maybe this is a learning experience for them and they get away with a tie. What are the Packers fans' thoughts?

And how do you think Cowboys fans feel? I'm sure Cowboys fans are. are ecstatic today. I mean, why wouldn't you be? As a Packers fan, no, I'm pissed. I mean, this is worse than the Browns. They're just, you can't go from the penthouse to the shithouse that quickly. Like now it's your thing, you know, two weeks ago it was, hey, this team might win the Super Bowl.

And now it's like, is this team even going to make the playoffs? I just don't understand how bipolar they are. It's like one week, the offense plays great. The next week, the offense plays like shit. One week, the defense is generational. The next week, they're giving up 40 points to the Cowboys without C.D. So they have a buy week next week, which is, you know, it's early, but, you know, they have a lot of stuff that they can fix. But no, as a Packers fan, I'm livid this morning.

Okay, livid that they're 2-1 and 1 after Sunday-day football against Cowboys. Dak Prescott, 319 yards, three touchdowns and a rushing touchdown without CD Lamb. George Pickens became real guy for Dak Prescott last night in prime time. You love to see it if you're Dallas Cowboy fans for sure. But, I mean, it's the guy you need to step up and be your true number one with CD. being out and he did that did in the biggest moments showed up for his team so you got to love that if you're a cowboy's fan and on the other side packers jordan loved 31 of 43 337 three touchdowns with 28 rush yards it's like it was offensive awesome last night josh jacobb's so cool

and dobbs his head with that guardian cast so big you guys aren't a guardian bay packers i almost put that out if that guy's going to continue to be the only one that gets in the paint for you yeah which it feels like he's always dancing guardian bay i was just sitting on it last night just like, nope, don't need to say that. Sertic, it's kind of his look. It's not just him. Savion Williams, the rookie, he's got one, too. That's massive.

I mean, it doesn't look great, but Dobbs has also had about 40 concussions in the last three years, so maybe he does need it. And he's a great football. He is very good. Yeah, he's great for you guys. Congrats to both the Packers and the Dallas Cowboys getting out of the week without a loss.

No blood. No blood. No blood. Carry over. Carry over. It does sucks. All right, let's go to number four. The NFL's bubbling in Dublin.

9.30 a.m. How's your morning going? Fantastic. Get a chance to get an overview of the Emerald Isle, an absolutely beautiful place that we have been to, obviously, in the past. We've drank some Guinnesses with the folks. We've walked the streets. We've enjoyed the tried music. Hop, hop, hop, hop. And now we got a chance to watch them host their first NFL game. And I'll tell you what, the country delivered. And the game did as well. The Pittsburgh Steelers started out immaculate. It felt as if Rooney was in the clouds. and Don saying we dominate in Ireland. Kenneth Gainwell, more like Kenneth Gain really well.

And then Aaron Rogers, for the first time, long time, absolutely throws a strike to D.K. Metcalfe, who obviously outruns everybody to the end zone. The Pittsburgh Steelers looked remarkable. Aaron Rogers was smiling the whole damn time, as was Mike Tomlin without the hat. We got a new Mike Tomlin, new coach Tomlin. He doesn't like the hats either.

Yeah, no hat out there, no hat out there. Pittsburgh Steelers dominant early, and then we got a chance to experience what we've been waiting on for a long time. The Carson Wentz experience all aboard. This one's an international affair. In the second quarter, it started.

Carson doing Carson. Breaking free, up the middle. Side-on the Justin Jefferson on a line. Carson Wentz is the best quarterback on a field, any field whenever he's playing good. Now, we obviously almost get sacked. We dish it off to a running back three-yard loss. How about this, third and 12?

Fuck that thing up. Yeah, if he catches it, that'll be a great catch. He wasn't able to. We continue to move on. A guy gets flipped over in front of him, on top of him. Fumble, where is it? Way over here. This is the Carson Wend's experience.

This is the second quarter into the third quarter. And this guy had a chance at the end to come back and tie this entire thing up. The CWE hit Ireland in a big time way. The Steelers steal a big time win and hold on for dear life at the very end after a lot of interesting decisions that were made by. the Pittsburgh Steelers as a whole. But I would like to say, congrats to Ireland as a whole.

Jordan Addis is a wide-ass open. And Wilson with no ACLs running 22 miles an hour. Catches them, runs them down. That's Pittsburgh Steelers football. That is what Pittsburgh Steelers fans would hope would happen. But it was a great morning in Ireland. It was a great game. I thought Greg Olson was phenomenal on the call.

It was nice waking up with him, having a little coffee hanging out with Greg Olson, breaking down ball. He even broke down the holder's cadence on a field goal because obviously blocking the field goals is becoming a real storyline around the NFL. And the Steelers are saying, ah, let's go for one.

Or, Boss, let's go for one. And then flipping out the other way, it's like, I appreciate what happened and Dublin showed up in a big way. Let's go to Pittsburgh Steelers Superfan. Obviously got nervous late. Yeah. But as a whole, Ireland was perfect for the NFL.

And I think that country would enjoy the NFL if they continued to learn about it. Yeah, Ireland was awesome. It's like everything that I heard from Steelers fans all week was like it was the perfect town to host a football game. and it was, all the Steelers' legends were over there. It looked like a great time.

The grass, the field was awesome. You saw Justin Jefferson slip, but other than that, like, it was, it was, the grass looked great. Best international grass. Yes, by far that I have, that I have seen. And then like you said, it looked like the Pittsburgh Steelers. They had seven sacks. They had a billion pressures.

And then they ran the ball with great with gain. Well, they used Darnell, Washington, 48 snaps as basically a six offensive lineman. So just like when we started the year, they were going to play defense. They were going to run the ball. Aaron was going to hit shots to DK, it was perfect. I love that, and I love that Steelers have seemingly found an identity. They head into a buy very early. Will the old bodies be able to make it on the long haul on the other side of the buy?

We shall see. And what were boots on the ground saying about the event? Yeah, if you'll indulge me real quick, we have some stats from the Ireland game here from our friend McQuaid. 74,000 fans in attendance. Massive, massive amount of fans, lads. And this is a big one. This is actually true. This is the largest movement of people from the U.S. to Europe.

since the war time. Since, yeah, exactly, since the Allies came over and went, you know, belt to ass on the Axis Powers, it's the biggest movement in a long time. If you didn't know, Lads, T.J., that's, that's, well said, Dee, but thank you, Lod. T.J. Watts, Interception, where he obviously kicked the ball into the crowd in the third quarter. That was actually a nod to Gaelic football, if you know that, Lads. We love it over there, obviously. This is a fun little stat here, actually.

22 different NFL teams jerseys were in the crowd. Oh, they counted them? Oh, they loved them. McQuaid counted them. They didn't, McQuaid was boom, boom, boom. He was making sure because they obviously love, yeah, they love football over in Ireland and Croke Park and everything. And then lastly, it's a big one, Lutz.

80-yard touchdown for D.K. Metcalfe is the longest touchdown in all 40 of the U.K. Ireland game. So, yeah, I think you're right. Let's run this back. Let's go back to Croke Park next year. Thank you, Lads. Okay, thank you, McQuade, for being on the, on the ball. That sounded like I was with him again back in Denver.

That man has pounded the job. drum for NFL Ireland louder and more relentless than anybody we've ever seen everywhere we were in Ireland he was. McQuaid. With the football. New stat, yeah, with a football, new stat, new factoid. He had the ground tunnels that just

and he might have that actually in him on the internet relentless about hey, we love it, we should love it. Ireland will love the NFL if they continue to get more games and I think that's good for all parties. There's a little dust up right? A little bit. Yeah, there was Skylar Thompson might have got jumped the night before in

but did he get jumped to lose a fight I mean yeah what he said I could tell you didn't lose a fight okay I agree that's not good for team camaraderie that's not good buddy system yeah take care of each other jeez Ireland though can happen yeah but on that note football yeah number two headline that we need chitch out about today oh I'm sorry number three good teams played good ladies and gentlemen there's two games where two teams had to take else even though they played good and are going to be good for a long time. The Eagles in the Bucks play Don in Tampa. Tampa had a chance to come back and be the cardiac buccaneers once again. The last playboys had an opportunity. There's a fourth in 10 that came down to. Baker Mayfield ends up not being able to complete the first down.

Then the Eagles actually do a slow safety to end this game. So the game is actually two points closer than it actually was. And then whenever you talk about Colts and the Rams, Matthew Stafford is. Yeah, man. Spitting it. Outrageous. Very good. He is absolutely outrageous. And Danny Dimes, still a dog as well. But Matthew Stafford and Los Angeles Rams end up getting the win, even though the Colts literally and figuratively shot themselves in the foot with a football that was in their hand before they, as they were about to score a touchdown. A.D. Mitchell, obviously, you've seen this.

Last year, he threw a pick six where he actually wondered if the guy that did it was Ed Reed because he seemingly came out of nowhere on a throwback play. Then on this play, insane catch, wild yards after catch. He's pulling away in insanely athletic fashion. And then ball just slips out of his hands as you get a little excited to go ahead and put that thing. Incredible play. One of the best plays. And then that sound effect is the end of the first 15 minutes.

But it could have also been on this case where he's running so fast. The ball slips out. Can't happen. But then he compounds it just a couple minutes later. Gets a holding call. throws a guy down on the ground. Jonathan Taylor, obviously going to take this to the house. Insane run by Jonathan Taylor.

Yet again, having one of his best years he's ever had. That is a football player, Jonathan Taylor. Yep, let's go ahead, take that back. That's in a fourth quarter of two minutes and 16. Yeah, so, I mean, he was trying to block, though, which I appreciate. Like, A.D. Mitchell was trying to block. A.D. Mitchell also made an insane catch, insane play. Almost finishes that thing.

And then, geez, Jonathan Taylor did this last year. Almost did it a couple weeks ago. Now we got this again. We need to clean that up, deep. Got to clean it up. But on that note, A.D. Mitchell is. We don't need to be. Everybody say, you need to cut them?

No. Whoa. Maybe we just get them off the field. if he can get near the end zone. Maybe we don't have him throw again. Maybe he slides down before the end zone. Yeah, but we need, exactly. Hey, you need to not even go anywhere near that goal line.

And also, let's not even have him block. Fuck it. Just have them only on pass plays. And let's not have him throw the ball ever again on the field. But it's certainly been an interesting first couple of years for A.D. Mitchell. And he's going to be a piece that we're going to need. But that can't happen, especially against the Rams. They get a good win, but we should have won that game and we should still be underfe.

Yeah, you've mentioned it. Shot ourselves in afoot. That's pretty much the A.D. Mitchell. experience so far right there in a nutshell that play phenomenal phenomenal talent but it just it's just the little things and hopefully he learns from this you know how you've been in these moments where you do something maybe bonehead or you just make a bad play and it's like the way to the world is on your shoulder you saw him after this play kind of outside the huddle just pacing around it was tough then get the block to compound that but we still had a chance to at least put this game in

overtime late so it never comes down to just one player we had 10 people on the field when we gave up the big deep ball, the two, two, at well. So it's always a team effort in winning and losing, but it's going to be a tough week until 10 can get back on the field, hopefully make up for that. But you cannot have 10 players on the field in a situation like this, got to have the situation, two-minute situation. Matt Stafford, he found him, he made him pay, and the guy that was on him, he tripped and fell, which happens. But Stafford's playing unbelievable football, Pooka Nicole, might be the best wide receiver in football right now. And just a total team effort. You mentioned good teams playing. These are four teams right.

now that kind of can be in it at the end. And I expect these guys to make all deep playoff runs in both of these games. The Buccaneers are going to have to start hotter. Yeah, they're going to have to start better. They're going to get healthier, though, too. I agree. But also, at their very best, what they are, unstoppable. Totally good.

Like whenever they need it, they've seemingly got it, except for this fourth down. And the Eagles special teams has been an absolute nightmare for the brand. Obviously, we remember two block field goals. Now we got a block punt right up the gut. Riley Dixon there almost eats one, too. I mean, that could have been even worse. Philadelphia Eagles humming on all sides of the ball, except for getting the ball to one

guy. Yeah. Yeah. AJ Brown. Really? With hand. It's actually. They're undefeated. Their red zone right now is 11 for 11, I think. Like Hembo sent me a stat. They are they're 100% I think in the red zone. Their offensive efficiency is like

the greatest of all time. And one of the highest paid guys they got at wide receiver is like, listen, hey, if you're all welcomed, I'll listen to. quietly withdrawal. Don't make a scene. Don't post. Shrug your shoulders and be on your way. So is that what his mindset was a couple weeks ago?

Didn't he have 100? He had 106 and a Tud last week. I believe eight catchers as well. Okay, so I appreciate the fact that he said, hey, I could be louder about this, but I live by this mantra. I just want you to know. Which isn't loud in the...

That this is how I live by. So I'm just trying to let you guys know who I am. But this is kind of loud, don't you think? Well... But you don't... Just a... I'm not saying. I'm saying not be loud, though.

I'm saying be quietly. This is going to be something that Siriani's going to have to juggle. Yeah. Or are they going to... Seriani loves him. He would never. Him and Devonta combined for four catches. I don't know if I saw this out.

I don't know if it's true. I don't know if they completed a pass in the second half. I saw that stat too over eight. I don't know. I don't know. We should check those stats to see if they're real. But nonetheless, I don't think it matters. Yeah.

And that's the... That's probably what Siriani and everybody says. So whenever you talk about AJ Brown, potentially, does he want to cause a little bit of shit to either get the ball or I don't know. We have no idea but we know that the Eagles are winning games and they always seemingly do. Let's get number two.

Speaking of winning games, congrats to the New York Football Giants. MetLife Boxing, the Day Bowl and Darts story. Obviously we see a small sample size but we love everything about it. And know that this particular sample size ends with Jackson Darts forehead, clearly pressed on the day bowl's forehead, saying

are you my dad? And him saying, are you my son? Great knee. Great knee bend there, good fluidity there to be able to do that. There's Dayball and Jackson say, you're my son, I think. You're my dad. Whenever you think about two guys with Moxie, I think, and seeing if they can get along, Jackson and Dayball feel like a good, doesn't it? Good partnership.

Just from what we've learned about Dayball, sawed off cigar in hand, you know, some other things about willing to do whatever. Intense. And then Jackson Dart comes in there, all the swagger of Moxie in the world, let alone you got Scataboo, gassing it all up. You got scataboo gas and everything up, love everything about it. 4 to 4 and 6 are a problem. Okay, you times what those two add to.

That's what you got with this crew. That's a hondo, pal. This group is obviously young, hungry, in the middle of a transition potentially. And people are saying that Dart saved Dayball's job. Yeah. We talked about that, though. We said the whole plan here is if Daibo and Dart show promise, that's probably their pitch tomorrow not to get fired.

And yesterday I have on a good authority. It was the entire ownership. group in the building. Like, not just the Maras, but everybody collectively were there. So, yeah, it could have been a big decision made. Maybe it was because it was Jackson Darts, the new era beginning. But, yeah, you saw the excitement

from Coach Dayball after the game, and that looked like, hey, boy, you might have just saved my job. Gave you some more runway. But I love what I saw from the young kid. Obviously, you're going to have to build on and continue to get better because once you put anything on film, these defenses will continue to prepare and try to take away the things

you do well. But you love to see this from your rookies. Him playing well, Scadaboo playing well, Abdul Carter coming along. You got some youth in the building. And you just want to sell some promise. You want to compete as this year goes on. And then maybe you stick with Dayball and Sean in the front office. Good luck to all of them. And we're appreciative of the Moxie for sure, especially in the big city, you know, especially in the big city. Chargers? Not worried about him. Okay. Not a.m. kick. Just like 10 a.m. kick, whatever, yeah, just like USA.

Yeah, Illinois, USA. Okay, I think we should think about that. Maybe. You worried about him? I'm not, but, man, anytime you've got to a rookie. Well, now that we know, I mean, it's kind of like, now we know Kate Morrow is in the owner's box. I mean, we can't really fault anybody.

Also, Runei Morrow is there, too, probably. Who's the, um, famous actress? Is that the lady from Seinfeld? She related to that family? Julia Louis-Dreyfus? Is she related to the New York Giants family? I don't think so. She could be, though. Is that what you're talking about?

You're talking about that? Who are you saying whenever you say, whole family? I'm not even just saying family. I'm saying, you know, because there are other people that are in the... Oh, I already own them. These are Marr's friends. Eli. All hands on deck.

Myers' friends that tell him this team sucks. Hey, why do we... Hey, guys, sir. Gets was... Emerald Gossi. All right, and the number one story is the Chiefs is still the Chiefs. Congrassy. Of course, I give up on him and stop picking up and this happens.

Their biggest game that they've had in a long time. I forget how many years. How big of a day was that for Patrick Mahom? First time he's had four passing touchdowns in the game since October, 2023. Okay, so it's been a while. Xavier Worthy, obviously a huge piece of the puzzle. Patrick Mahomes is still that guy, always will be that guy. Ju-Ju-Jew Smith-Schuster has also been flashing a lot. I like their celebration how they pass it around as well with Uncle Travis Kelsey getting in there.

Pacheco goes crazy. Patrick Mahomes is the youngest to 250. Yeah, 250 passing touchdowns. The youngest in the history of the game to 250 passing touchdowns. turned 30 just a couple weeks ago, and he's already in the goat discussion. Obviously, he's special. We all have to remember that, including myself, whenever I decided to pick another team. That other team, the Baltimore Ravens, defensively, man, I don't know what the hell's going

on over there. Z.O. and the boys are going to have to figure it out, and defense aside, including, shh, hey, listen to what's going on. They had bad defense first 10 weeks of year last year, then they were able to figure it out. That feels weird. It takes that long to figure out of defense, maybe change the defense. But nonetheless, they weren't able to stop Patrick Mahomes on the offensive side of the ball. Lamar Jackson exited the game down 17 in third quarter because he had an injured hamstring.

I will say, I was listening to Red Zone channel. We're still all watching you, right? Yep, yep. Oh, yeah. And Scott Hansen basically said, Lamar Jackson with no medical officials around them. 17 points, third quarter, I don't know what's going on there. Then he followed up like two minutes later was like, we're getting reports from the local CBS that he has a hamstring strain, which is why he was not in there. So Lamar Jackson led way to Cooper Cush to get in there and do his thing.

what are the Ravens right now? We shall see. Joining us, ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider for ESPN, Adam Schifter. Yes, sir. We made you wait there. The first 15, obviously, drawing out longer and longer every single week. We will certainly respect your time. Sorry, we did not.

Not the first 15, it's the first 50. You've got to change in the first 50 now, bat. Yeah, but that's not a football. Football does first 15. On that note, in the first 15 of any play, would be, let's see what's up with Lamar Jackson. What have you heard? because that was kind of an interesting rollout

for those of us that didn't have sound on the game, but we were maybe listening somewhere else. He had a hamstring strain as how it was being reported, but he didn't look like he was in a lot of pain on the sideline. He's tough as hell, we understand that. What is the story out of Baltimore, and what are your thoughts? Well, hamstrings are something they evaluate during the week, and here's the issue for Lamar Jackson.

If he is able to play right now, and I don't know that they know if he's able to do that right now, certainly he'll be compromised. One of the strengths of his game, one of his superpowers is his ability to run around, make things happen, be elusive. And if he's got a balky hamstring, that's an issue for this upcoming week. They play the Houston Texans, who have some ferocious pass rushing defensive ends. They're noted for their defense.

They shut out the Titans yesterday, which Cam Ward didn't particularly like and enjoy, but nevertheless, it's a tough Houston defense. So this is the kind of thing where I don't know if Lamar could have gone back in the game yesterday if it were close, but it wasn't. They left him out, and we'll have an idea as this week unfolds, but hamstrings certainly are never fun to have, particularly for somebody like Lamar Jackson. D, but I'll ask you this, if he has a hurt hamstring,

he has the number one passerating, I think, in the history of the NFL with his arm. If he has a hurt hamstring, will there be less people in the box, so there's more people in coverage, or how does that kind of affect his, what defenses will do with him if he has a strained hamstring? No, what you've been seeing defenses do now is kind of have that spy

and just be more disciplined in their rush, lanes and if eight is on the field you expect him to be eight you know what I mean you still don't expect to be a statue in the pocket so I feel like you still have to call it that way because if lamar is playing I feel like Lamar is playing he's going to be healthy okay let's go to the new york giants obviously we did some research I assume you have as well hembo sent us over a bunch of stats and we've been scouring the internet MetLife stadium has obviously been home to a lot of injuries over there Malik neighbors who's obviously electrifying and Giants fans were putting him as in the top pantheon of wide receivers in the NFL already.

And he's just a couple years in. Obviously from wide receiver, you down there at LSU, an absolute beast on the field. Teres' ACL is what the fear is yesterday on MetLife. And then you go through the history of MetLife. I think they changed their turf in the last couple of years. I forget they went from one particular brand of turf to another brand of turf.

That turf was supposed to be more like grass because they understood that they had a little bit more injuries and issues than literally everywhere else. Now, this is still happening. So, Shefti, what is the conversation about the MetLife turf? Because any time this happens, obviously turf first grass conversations come up. We heard Josh Allen literally two weeks ago with us talk about the new Buffalo Bill Stadium. And he said, we got grass.

That was a big deal for him. It's a big deal for players. Will this neighbor's injury spur anything? And what are you hearing out of the New York Giants facility? Well, they did redo the field in March of 23. And so it was, what, two and a half years ago that they put in a new. field turf field at that point in time. You see the list of players there that have gone down.

I'm sure there are a lot of players that have gone down in every stadium. It just feels like that stadium. I don't know. It does feel like we get more. And I'm with Josh Allen. I think everybody's with Josh Allen. You saw the tweet yesterday, I think it was from Odell Beckham, Jr. Other players feel the same.

Look, it's pretty simple. There's the tweet. Dear NFL, I mean this with the utmost love and respect. take the precautions that we're with everything else when it comes to player's health and safety please please please get rid of the turf thank you in advance i think he speaks for a lot of people it shouldn't be that hard to put in grass

how much of neighbor's injury is because of the sir who knows i don't have to answer that other than there seemed to be a high number of injuries on that met life field that forced them to change the turf but like they change it now and rogers going goes down and tears his Achilles in the first game right after that happens. Yeah.

Is that the term? I don't know. I don't what to say about it, Pat. May I be curious if a doctor has any concerns, but the number of players, it's too long to ignore. It's too long to ignore. Yeah, well, Shephti, that's the thing. There'll be a doctor that comes out and says that this turf is definitely problematic. It's not just the turf. It's the cement that's underneath of it.

And there's really no room to give for any of your joints and what bodies are supposed to do. not every joint, it's not every ligament, but somebody's the way they are built, obviously going to have this reaction on this particular turf. Then you have some other doctor come out and say, we've done the research. There's actually different parts of the turf during different parts of the season. And it's like some turf is actually better than grass. So now how do you add that in? I think just every player that's ever spoke has said, we'd like grass. And then we see what Arizona is able to do. And now if buffalo's getting grass up there and keeping grass up there, it's like there should be no excuse with the technology. And then on

MetLife Conversation, they're hosting a World Cup. Yeah. With grass. Uh-oh. Yeah, but that grass is just kind of stapled on top of the... So, like, JJ Watt, who's soccer owner, two teams, says, hey, some of the grass that they just put on top of this, not good either. Like, that is not what any of us want. So I don't know what the right answer is.

Seems like everybody likes grass. Hopefully they'll be able to do that. Let's go to another team that had a massive injury, and maybe you have an update. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Shepty, any word on what's going on with Joe Alt? obviously the Chargers, that was tough yesterday, but their O-line is so beat up. And at this point, you know, like how big of a cause of concern is that for them going forward? Well, he went down and I'm just going up a text that I got about it yesterday.

But basically, he wanted to go back in, and they told him no. He didn't want to accept that, you know, a high ankle spring usually limits you and prevents you for playing for a couple of weeks. but he's going to get a second opinion today. They'll look at it again, high ankle sprain for offense and tackle is not easy. Look, here's the deal. High ankle spring. If you're the Chargers and you see Joe Alt carted off yesterday, you feel fortunate that he has a high angle spring. You don't want any of your players to get up.

But when he goes down, you don't know whether it's a knee, whether it's a broken ankle, a dislocated. It can be anything that ends the season. They've already lost Rashon Slater in training camp to a torn Patel attendant. So they lose their starting left tackle. of Alt over the left tackle. He goes out of the game. Now you're down your two best tackles, one of whom is the highest paid offensive tackle in the National Football League in Rashon Slater, even though he's not playing another who has a chance to be the highest paid one day. It might just be as good as any left tackle in the game today in Joe. So

that is brutal if they're without him. And Herbert paid the price for it yesterday. They struggled to protect him. He got hit an awful lot. It's going to be hard to win. consistently without Joe off, but it doesn't sound like he's going to miss a lot of time. Brian Burns with the incredible Spider-Man's and the NIST at the end is an incredible just display of flexibility. How, what is his dims? Do we hear what his dims are? 6-5-2-40, 340-250 is what I remember looking at.

He's way too big to be able to move that smooth. South-loaded. Down into that. That is unbelievable. But on that note, that Giants D-Line, okay, not a good time to be down offensive linemen. Sexy Dexie almost crib that. thing. I mean, that was unbelievable. I can't believe he got tacked with like the two yard. I felt so bummed out for him. You know, these big guys, these massive guys, especially

Hall of Fame type guys, having a touchdown. Instead, you're done at the three. Thought Herbert liked football. Yeah, it kind of ruined it, didn't he? Should have them have that. Should have them have that. But Dexie moving like that, dart and dayball on the offensive side. Do the Giants have a little bit of hope? Bruce, do we have hope right now? Oh, you're muted. Oh, yeah. We are all the way back. competitive football is back in the Giants world. Shades of Mahomes, Shades of

Josh Allen, shades of Ken Stabler from the Young Jackson Dart. I'm fired up. What about Scottaboo? What do you think about Scott? But he's like an All-Stot meets... Yeah, he's absolutely unbelievable. The duo of them, him lead blocking for Dard on the QBI, so it's just a thing of beauty. Look at the future

of the giant, chef. He looked like you had something to say about the future over there. Listen, Cam Stadable looks like John Riggins. You got Jackson Darty's brown. He's brought some juice, although he's taking way too many hits yesterday. But here's the issue.

And I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer here. But when you go out and lose Malik Navors, you're talking about a transcendent talent. He is as good as anybody in the game at what he does. And there's no way that you could lose a guy like that and not have it impact your team for the final 13 games of the season. It's just brutal to see that. happened the way it did. And I hope he's okay. Get some time to rest now. He'll need surgery in that ACL. But, you know, Jackson Dart was great. Cam Scadaboo's been great, but they just, they just lost this guy. You know, it reminds me of when the Jets beat the bills on opening day

in the game in which Anna Rogers tore his Achilles, and all the Jet fans, they're all excited. They won the game. Xavier Gibson returns the punt in overtime for the game-winning score. You win the battle, you lose the war. The Giants lost the war yesterday. They lost this guy. Whoa. They just started, I think, in the Jackson Dart era. On that note, Malik, we do. Tees and peas. The game's going to miss them, especially if we're going to have more

eyes on these Giants games than we have in the last year and a half. I understand New York, a lot of people watching them. Out here? No. I ain't ever watching. Nope. I ain't ever seen. So everybody tells me about Malik neighbors how great he is, and I assume that he is, and yes, I've seen his highlights, but I haven't watched like a full Giants

game in a long time. With that being safe jackson dart the dayball getting after scadaboo we got burns doing spider man gift out there i i hope malik neighbors comes back sooner than ever before but i think we shouldn't just give up hope on his team immediately because he'll pound that rock it feels like well dayball remain committed to scataboo and jackson dart iso powers 40 50 times we shall see