The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1419 - BA Day with Bruce Arians, MNF Doubleheader Recap, Matt Stafford, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

On today's show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys are joined by 3X Super Bowl Champion, and former Head Coach of the Arizona Cardinals and Tampa Bay Bucs, Bruce Arians to recap last night’s Monday Night Football Doubleheader, and all the biggest storylines around the NFL as we enter week 5. Joining the progrum to chat about the season, his career as a whole, how he’s feeling thus far this year, and everything else about the Rams is Super Bowl Champion, 2011 Comeback Player of the Year, 2x Pro Bowler, Detroit Lions All-Time Team member, and current QB for the Los Angeles Rams, Matthew Stafford. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our Humble the Bow, the Thunderdome. On this BA Day, September 30th, 2025, this program begins now. Football! Love that. That's 47-year football coach, multiple-time Super Bowl champion, absolute stud, ladies and gentlemen, our coach, BA. Hey, BAE! Coach, good to see you. Thank you for joining us.

The shirt is electrifying, no risket, no biscuit. and today it's BS or no bullshit as well. Thank you for joining us. We love you, man. It's my pleasure, brother. It's most fun I have all week. Okay, I'm happy to hear that. That will continue today.

There's a lot to talk about in the football world. Two Monday night football games last night. Congrats to The Dolphin. Wow. All the way back. Now, granted, they lose Tyree Kill, who is obviously a unicorn. His explosiveness, his ability to get open, everything he does on a football field, only Tyree Kill can do.

And we all remember, obviously, the incredibly glorious days where he was the number one player in the entire NFL. Now, towards the back half of last season, and then obviously to begin this season, it didn't feel as if it was the same Tyreek Hill in Miami, but last night, I will say, before the game started, this is the first time he has not been voted captain for the Miami Dolphins. Before the game started last night, they had to circle, you know, around the warm. And Tyreek was in the middle of the leading it, and he was actually punching people's chest. He looked like he was incredibly pumped up. It's like, oh, wait, is Tyree Kill all the way back invested in all the way back in with this Miami Dolphins team? Look at this. That team likes that guy.

Yeah. That is not a team that hates that guy right there from my, from what I am watching here. And I thought that was a wonderful thing. Thought he's going to have a huge night. Instead, it's the night where we witness him have a absolutely gruesome knee injury that they wouldn't even re-show, even though some people captured it and posted on the internet and it was kind of maybe force-fed, nasty knee injury, obviously a dislocation, some ligaments torn. And this is one of those ones that they talk about

in being a devastating injury to, you know, what, recovery, career, everything, you name it. So we would like to let Tyreek Hill know that everything he's done for football up until this point, we thank him for. Hey, you were electrifying, brother. It's going to be a long road back in recovery and rehab for this is going to suck. This is going to be a very painful experience, obviously, and with how explosive he is, how will they get it back to that? I have no idea. But Tyreek on football, hey, we appreciate what you do.

Now, punters are going to and have been, you know, sleeping a little bit more sound since he stopped being a permanent turn, you know, which is certainly good news. But the game will miss you on the field and also, if this Miami Dolphine seems about to be good and Darren Waller is about to be another very viable threat, if you got a tight end who's good in the middle of the field, you know what that does for the people that are outside there? You know what that does for Tyreek Hill potentially, obviously he will not be there, but just thinking about how bummed out we are that Tyreek gets hurt, all of a sudden as Miami Dolphins'

offense goes back to potentially being the one that we had read about, talked about, and heard about whenever McDaniels brought in, they were hanging 70 points on the Denver Broncos, which we'll certainly talk about in just a matter of moments, as they exposed what the Bengals for what maybe the Bengals actually are, which was a cough. Hey, 283, the Broncos just beat the hell out of the Bengals, and it was ugly. I mean, it was absolutely ugly. But this Miami Dolphins team, let's go to nine-year NFL vet, born, I'm sorry, raised in South Florida. Miami Dolphins fan is his first team that he loved.

Darrys J. Butler, Darren Waller, top play. I mean, he is all the way back. Yeah, what a debut. I mean, Gunt was all over. He was saying it from the moment he walked in the building yesterday. Waller in the painting night, while in the painting night. He showed up. Tua hasn't had a target like that since he's been the quarterback of the Miami Dolphins,

especially down in the red area. You would have loved to see him in the middle, like you said, with Tyreek and Jalen Wattel on the outside. Unfortunately, we won't have that. And this kind of game reminded me of. of what B.A. used to tell us all the time, hey, it's going to be a five-star game. You know, prime time, back against the wall. Tyreek is obviously one of their five stars, and he started in the middle of the huddle

pregame, getting the boys hyped up. He looked like he was off to a great start. Even when he went down, I made an unbelievable catch. So it's unfortunate he'll be out. But the offense still got a chance to piece some games together. It could be competitive in the AFC East after the Buffalo builds, obviously. But it was a tough, that kind of takes the wind out of yourselves if you are on that team. on that roster because when you talk about long-term, maybe potentially making the playoffs

and missing one of your best players, one of the best players in the NFL when he's healthy, that'll be tough. But hopefully they can continue to fight and, you know, make something out of the season. Darren Waller was on the hands team. Guy hasn't played in years. And they had him on the hands team. That's how much confidence they had in Darren Waller. I think them rolling him out here this deep end of the season, I think it was good, get him completely comfortable, get him completely in the game shape. He took over. He was exactly the Darren Waller that we fell in love with on the football field that was stealing the show

with the Raiders. And whenever he was over there with Gruden, him and Gruden, obviously very tight, he was maybe the best player in all football. Then he goes over the Giants, it doesn't work out. Obviously, things don't go the way that anybody thinks. And I think he was going through some shit potentially. We all heard about and learned about that. So whenever he resigns, or whenever he signs

with the Dolphins, Gumpies like, first, at Gumpies at first, he's like, oh, great, we get rid of Janu, and we bring in Darren Waller, you know? That's what Gumpi's reaction is, as Miami Dolphins fan. Then he starts seeing Darren Waller, and he starts talking a little bit. Then he starts watching some highlights. And all of a sudden, Gumpy, 10 days ago, is like, Darren Waller's back on Monday night.

Like, he called this like literally 10 days in advance. There's no way you thought it was going to work out this well. Let's go to one half of the hammer. Die. Cowboys Bubba Gumpino, a man who has rode alongside this Dolphins team. Almost gave up on them. Yeah. Close.

Almost. Close. Had the order. Had the NFL hat in the shopping. cards, if you will. In the car, proceed to checkout. They added another thing

for, are you sure you want to do it? I just want to buy this thing and these apps are going, oh, are you sure? You don't want to juice with this? No, I want to fucking

proceed to checkout. Just let me do it. Are you sure you don't want to buy? I'm about done with that. Okay. You already got us buying online. I know what I want. Okay, I have the shopping cart.

I don't need 45 of other things. I'm not a robot. Okay. I'm a human going through this. I know what a motorcycle looks like. I've made the, exactly. I'm sick of the bridges. I'm sick of the stoplights.

I know. Exactly. That is how I feel with these apps. But nonetheless, he had the NFL hat just sitting in that shopping cart. All he needed was go down to that part of the app and then proceed to checkout. And they would ask them 45 questions about it. Something else. You get some NFL pants if you want, maybe some NFL

sandals. Maybe some of it. Do you want milk? We can get you some fucking milk along. Did grocery? Go ask that. But Gumpy was this close. Then they sent him that jacket. Exactly. And then he put the dark uni on. The dark water. The dark water.

Unreal. Yeah. And he was walking around this Thunderdum after hours last night, just peacock. I mean, he was. And then they were showing Tua, and then Tyreek's headbutt started happening. Then Darren Waller's running and Gump, he's like, here we go, boys. Did it work out? Obviously, the Tyreek kill thing is just such a bummer.

That's very Dolphins, it feels like, just for the Dolphins fans to experience one great thing, and then something devastating happens on the other side. We're apologize about that. But the Darren Waller, Miami Dolphins era has begun. Is this going to save your season, Gumpy? It's really our only hope. He looked unbelievable last night. And the defense, too.

You talk about the defense let up a bunch of yards. I get it. But big plays by Jack Jones, Rasul Douglas. That's the secondary everybody was worried about. They made massive plays, and Tyreek injury obviously devastating. But it's time for Jalen Waddle to step up

and be that number one. He's a top 10 pick. He's been paid like that. And it's time for him to take over his wide receiver 1 for the Finns. Yeah, we need to say a lot of these. A lot of Waddleman. And the AFC East, obviously, Buffalo Bill's World.

Then you got the Patriots over there. Everybody thinks Drake May's a guy. Hopefully. And then the Jets, I think everybody's lost a little bit of hope. They ran that thing 60 straight times. They did. I mean, I don't know if that was the actual number, but there was two pass attempts in the first seven hours of that game.

It felt like I put my baby girl up to bed. That's a little bit of a time. Came back down. Game had started pretty good. Then I go up there, come back down. And I hear Chris Fowler go, that was his second pass attempt. And I looked down, I'm like, damn,

They are just two fumbles, obviously, out of the gates. One on the half-yard line, and then Justin Fields has the other one. But the Jets, they're paying $20 million a year for Justin Fields. I don't know if anybody has hope in the Jets this year. Let's go to Boston Corner, AFC East Fond from birth up there. Jets dead? How do we feel about the Jets? I mean, I think you should just feel about the Jets as like until they change their colors, move their team.

They're never going to win anything. Name, too. Yeah, name. Sure, maybe they do become the first. team that has a New Jersey in their name that actually plays in New Jersey. It's just never going to be one of those things with the Jets that you think they're going to go until they prove it to you. They really never do. Typically, they, you know, and it sucks with what happened to Braylon Allen, too, who got hurt, but typically that is kind of their MO. They have

terrible things happen. Show a lot of fight because they did. I mean, Justin Fields, his 43-yard touchdown was so sick. Like, the way he rolls all the way right turns around, sprints back around, you know, weaving in and out of people, touchdown, like, electrifying football, but I don't think anybody in the NFL who's competing for a Super Bowl will ever take the Jets seriously

until there is some sort of like, hey, they're building something. Like, there hasn't been any of that for so long. All right, let's go to the next game. Bronco is hosting the Bengals that one kicked off at 815, and well, Bronco's really good team. Yeah. Bronco is really good team. The other team might not be really good.

Now, obviously, they don't have their quarterback, their franchise quarterback. They have their backup quarterback. He obviously had some successful football last year, but so did Bo Nix. And his Broncos team obviously loses to a really good Indianapolis Colts team. Okay, so a lot of people, I think, just kind of lost faith in them. A lot of hype coming into the season. Way to the Broncos. They beat the hell out of the Bengals last night. Coach Bea, what are your thoughts on this game? And is this Broncos defense for real like everybody thought it was at the beginning of the year? No, I don't think there's any doubt about the Broncos defense, but the Bengals,

they spent a lot of money on wide receivers. They might have tried to invest something an offensive line. Oh, really? I mean, three-man rush, sacks. It doesn't matter if Joe Burroughs out there or not, because Joe wasn't going to get shit off either. Okay, so let's talk about what you just said there about paying your wide receivers and paying your quarterback and get a deal done with Trey Hendrickson

where he gets... 30? 50 bucks? I think it was 12. Oh, okay. I knew it was something. Yeah, it was something, but they dragged that entire thing out this entire offseason. We had a conversation on this show with a lot of football people. We said, hey, since the beginning of football.

the way they're building their roster can you win like that especially with what the Eagles just did you know like what the Eagles did usually what the Super Bowl champion is is an indicator of what like probably the game is or at least it's going to be it's just like in basketball I think whenever

Steph was on top everybody was trying to kind of follow that particular path right now it feels like you need trenches like you need trenches bad right now maybe not as much five 10 years ago even though you still need to protect but the way the game was set up the way it was structured the trenches weren't like the determiner on whether or not you win or lose.

Right now it feels like trenches are back to being like the number one thing that's deciding whether or not a team is good or a team is bad. And it's like the Bengals last night obviously looked horrendous on the offensive line. But there was no effort. And on that note, there's been a lot of moves that they've made to that offensive line. A lot of moves. Connor, whenever you ask Hembo, you say, hey, Hembo, how many offensive linemen have they tried to bring in and it not work, he rattled off a bunch of names.

This Bengals' offensive line has been a problem. It has been for a long time. Even on the run to the Super Bowl, I think Joe Burrell got sacked 11 times or something like this. And nine times. In games, not total. Yeah, in one game. Against Tennessee Titans, I think he gets like 11 times. Yeah, it was like a record.

And then he got a sack like nine times. And then in the Super Bowl, obviously, it ends with Aaron Donald throwing him. If he had any time, he would have been not saying anybody would stop Aaron Donald. But if he has a half a second more, he probably hits tomorrow. They might win the fucking Super Bowl. So protection has obviously always been in a conversation. They've tried to make it better for their sake, I would say. Yeah, big time.

2024, they drafted Amarius Mims. And again, a lot of these stats, we don't know, but these are the stats that they're giving us and qualified tackles, all that stuff. Amarius Mim, 66th among 72 qualified tackles in past block win rate the last two seasons. That was 2024 draft pick. Orlando Brown, he's in the third year of his four-year contract.

They paid him a lot of money. I think it was between $60, $70 million. He's 55th among 71 qualified tackles in pass-block win rate again. I don't know. But still, pro-bowler, before he did make it to Cincinnati, he was a four-time pro-puller with C.C., yeah, exactly. There's a reason he got paid. He got Browdyampton City to protect Joe Burroughs because they've never been able to have an

offensive line. Yeah, just for some reason, it just hasn't worked. Lell Collins, he signed a three-year deal. He got cut after one season. to get injured, though. Riley Rife, he signed a one-year contract. He ranked 64th out of 68 in qualified tackles

that season in 2021. And then Kappa, who actually was really good from the Bucks, I believe he went over to the Bengals, and then he ended up retiring or going back to Tampa. It just hasn't worked for them. Okay, so what is it scheme system? Doesn't Sean McVeigh, who has a similar system,

have good offensive line, or has the ability to turn over offensive line? Like, is there something to an offense not being good for protection. And does Taylor have an offense that nobody can protect? Like, I don't, because we have good offense alignment going over there. Yeah. And it not working for whatever. And every time this happens, everybody brings up like, well, they could have drafted Penne Sewell instead of Jamar Chase, every time. Yeah, they seemingly have tried their best to add some offense alignment, at least. But is there a system potential? Is it coaches? Like, a lot of people, I think, want to know how

we've gotten to this point. Yeah, I think it's all the above. You know, the system is the same hunt that that everybody comes out with Sean, you know, and it's not working for a couple of those guys at a couple of different spots right now, because I think the NFL in general right now has a tackle problem. I mean, too many tackles getting hurt, first of all. But there's so many great pass rushers. There's not enough great tackles to block them all, and you can't throw it fast enough. But when they beat you with a three-man rush right off the bat, something's wrong. Okay, so do you think the tackles, the size of the tackles, athletic tackles these days potentially becoming

tight ends because of where the game is with the necessity of time. Somebody's tight ends are monsters. I mean, Darnell. Darnow, Washington. Yeah, I mean, he's a tackle. Yeah. He would be a tackle. I mean, we even talk about this because we're talking about Rushmore, which we'll certainly get into. Show is great. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning

give their Mount Rushmore's. It's available now at Rushmore on X. Full episode, 30 minutes, very digestible and good. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, sure a lot of stories. Ari Emanuel is the host, and Ben Perski is the host. They basically all give their own rushmores and reasons for why they have the top four at the receiver position. And then at the end, they have to come down to just one rushmore. And there is some real fire

debate between Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. It is a great episode. And then they just have more. Jimmy I.V. and Rick Rubin talking music. Al Michaels, Bob Cost is talking about the history of sports. You name it. There is everybody. Shack and Reggie Miller are on here talking about dunkers and power forwards. And they're wide open. I don't know if they were boozing. I have no idea. Yeah. They're wide open on this thing, and they are definitely battling. And then Elon Musk is on this thing talking about video games. And I don't know shit about video games. Elon does. I mean, and he is very, very invested.

But the receivers, it turned into receivers and tight ends, the conversation, basically, because Tom Brady was like, we can't make this without gronk. Gronk is the best receiver that I've ever. He just, the way he talked about, Randy Moss is well in there. but the way he talked about gronk and you chatted about gronk could be a tackle with his size but he could also slim down and be a wide receiver with his athleticism it's like a perfect tight end do we think some of the bigger guys are maybe going to defensive end because the amount of money that's potentially coming or to tight end is it like potentially one of those issues where we're losing the body types that are tackles to other things is that the problem or is it development and I think it's the development in college too because you've got to have some sand in your ass. You can't just be long. You've got to be able to stop people from the bull rush. It starts with the bull rush. Then you've got to be athletic enough to take all their moves on. And it's a very hard position to play. When you look at the draft a couple of years

ago when Tristan Werf came out, there were like four really good tackles. And like, hey, we're going to get one. And we made sure we went up and got Tristan Worf's, and it changed our whole team. And so it's like there's a premium on those guys. For me, I can find a wide receiver in the third round. I can't run it back in the third round. If you can't find a tackle very often that can handle the past rushers we have to see now in the NFL. T.J. Miles. In the fourth round.

Max Crosby. That used to be I will get those guys later. Michael. All right. Big, tough, strong guys. And they fly by your ass so fast you can't like a swinging door. But now if you're playing for some teams just want to pound, pound, yeah, they're good. But you've got to throw the ball to win.

Yeah, which is the Jets story there. I don't know if that style of football is ever going to win them. Super Bowl. And it was tough to watch, to be honest. I was very thankful. So many penalties. Yeah. Turnovers. Like a ridiculous amount of penalties. Troy, I think in that, that was the other game. Troy talked about it in the other game. He was like, I don't

know what I'm supposed to say here, but this is ass basically is what Trilly. Right. So yeah, that's the right call. It's completely unnecessary. We don't need to be throwing this flag. They had nothing to do with the play. It always drove me nuts. Yeah, it was a penalty, but it had nothing to do with the outcome of the play. It was like 10 yards back

here. It was a blindside block. It wasn't even a tough one. You know, just a little peelback block. It had nothing to do with the play. Put the damn thing in your pocket. Yeah, like there's like a little hold potentially happening, but it's on the complete opposite side of it. It's like, are we going to stop this entire game

for something that has nothing to do with the outcome of this game? And it's like, D.Bs get stuff for holding backside of the place whenever it's thrown the complete opposite direction. And leave a contact, 50 yards away from the play, it's terrible. But I thought the worst call in that game, when it was still a game was the false start on Ted Harris, on the center. Oh, the head lead.

Oh, yeah. And then he does that every snap. Yeah, most centers. And I don't know if they're cracking down on centers in general because they had one in another game where it was like on a half yard line. It was the Packers game. Move the ball up. Yeah, move the ball up.

Which centers have been doing that forever. So I don't know if that's a point of emphasis on centers in particular, but that Ted Carrier's call was, that was unbelievable. Yeah, very aggressive call to make. Hey, I'm going to decide the game. Fourth and two early fourth. That was huge. He's only been doing that on every single play the whole game.

And also, that's a conversation with the refs, right? Yeah. Like, long snapper, our long snappers, Matt Overton and Justin had to talk to the refs beforehand about their movement in the whole thing. I think centers had to do the same thing. I think AQ has had to talk to the refs because the refs, if they get a complaint from the other team, the refs comes and tells the center normally like, hey, they said that your head bob's a little bit too violent or something like that.

Like that conversation takes place. So to call it on a fourth, I mean, that is a wild thing. Yeah, it's crazy. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's played through so many different errors, both in what you're allowed to do to try to draw people off sides. You remember back in the day, quarterbacks were allowed to go, hey. It was an entire, then they cracked on it. You're not even allowed to move your hand in an aggressive way. Don't even think about moving your head forward. You've got to stand exactly still. This man and I were drafted 221 picks apart.

And boy, I will say from the beginning until now, there's vastly different levels to this shit for a good reason. This guy is one of the greatest ball throwers of all time. He's a Super Bowl champion. Ladies and gentlemen, the incredibly handsome man who was in the Super-Duper Live Forever Tube. Oh, yeah. Training camp. Ladies and gentlemen, L.A. Rams quarterback, Matthew Staff. Come on, guys. How we doing? Hey, how are you? Thank you for joining us. We know it's a short week. Obviously, you guys just had a massive win over the Indianapolis Colts. Can you tell,

hey, we're a good team? Colts, good team. Oh, yeah. Good football team. Good football team. Big physical football team. Put it on the ticker. I do love hearing that. As watching that game, though, obviously, I thought to myself, the Rams are one of those teams you're trying to figure out if you're going to be able to win in the playoffs. You guys are that, especially because of everything that you've done. It feels like you've had a couple different eras of this Los Angeles Rams team. Why do you think you guys have maintained success, and why do you think your culture is kind of implemented in there so quickly, basically since you get to Los Angeles? Yeah, I mean, I feel like the success comes from continuity.

We have enough coaches. It starts with Sean. He does an unbelievable job that guys come into the system. They know exactly what it's about. They know what they're going to do. And then I think our front office does a hell of a job about bringing in people that know what the Rams are all about. Hey, come in here, fit in, get in the locker room. Obviously learn our system, but learn what we're about as a team and how we go about our business.

The older guys try to carry on that tradition, keep the guys understanding what it's all about. And then we go out there and play. I enjoy watching your squad. I enjoy watching you play because I don't know if. I'm 38. Are you 37? 37. Yep, 37.

Okay. I don't know how you're still. I mean, brother, the shit you're... Huh? We're feeling pretty good still? I mean, I know you great ball throwers. I think I've heard Aaron talk about this. I assume there's been some baseball throws.

Like, I'll always be able to spin it. Do you feel that way? We talked to Josh Allen about that. And how have you been able to maintain your health and physical capabilities? Is it that trailer tube that you wanted... What was it the? The immortal chamber. A.

I'm going to live. Amber, that's right. What are you doing? How is the body feeling? And you seemingly have only gotten better somehow throughout the entirety whenever father time is supposed to slow us down, brother. No, I'm feeling good. A little touch and go during training camp, a little back issue.

But as far as being able to spin it, man, I feel really good. You know, my body's been holding up, you know, really good for the first four weeks of the season. The arm feels live. I'm still trying to make some things happen out there throwing the rock. you know, the likes of Puka and Devante. So it's been fun. It's a good start and just trying to keep it rolling, man. Last question for me before the boys have some.

And Coach B.A. is here as well. He's saying your praises all morning. I don't know if your ears were burning that early-ass time of L.A. But let's talk about Devante and Puka. Obviously, it's a great time to have Devonte Adams on your team anytime. If you're a quarterback, how about whenever you've got

a guy like Puka who is maybe best wide receiver in NFL right now? And then you got DeVante Adams as another option off of that. who paired so well together for you? And can you tell us about Puka kind of developing into the guy, maybe in the entire league? Yeah, I mean, they're both really talented players in their own right. Different, you know, play styles.

Puka, big physical guy that, you know, run after the catch player does a nice job, really in all phases. Devante is an elite route runner, has been for forever. Ball skills and the balls in the air, the guy makes unbelievable body movements to catch it. I feel lucky and blessed to be the guy throwing him the rock. I think our coaches do a hell of a job. Dialing up stuff to, you know, let those guys be successful in their own right. And then, you know, I just got to pick and choose where the defense tells me to throw the rock and they do the rest. So I'm a lucky one.

Knowing where to go has seemingly been your thing for a long time. Let me share some stats with you here, okay, from Hembo. Stats guys, not always good for people that life depends on how their stats look. Kickers, punters, quarterbacks, pitchers, you name it, not always great. These stats, you're going to enjoy hearing these, and you're going to have to take these complementary stats and enjoy them and really digest them. Okay? Don't be uncomfortable. Don't be awkward. First four games of a season in 2012 with Calvin Johnson, Matthew Stafford. 29 receptions on 43 targets, 423 reception yards, 21 first downs.

Okay. Okay. 2021 with Cooper Cup. You remember all of these throws, I assume. 30 receptions on 46 targets, 431. receiving yards 18 first downs okay 2025 with Pooka Nakua 42 receptions on 50 targets 5003 receiving yards 26 first downs yeah johnson and cooper cup wound up with the two largest yardage seasons in the history of the NFL okay which oh yeah this guy has you know so uh hey

you and Pook are on a historic rate right now brother and you've been with them the entire time that has to feel pretty good we love Oos over here yeah no doubt it's uh it's pretty cool um he's a special player. Obviously, had an unbelievable rookie campaign, set some records there, and then he's only built off of that. So just continue to try to find him when we can and let him do his thing, man. I'm just, I'm so happy to get to play with guys like that. They are special, you name three pretty unbelievable players right there, and so I was lucky enough to play with all of them. Yeah, and I think all of them would say, we're lucky to have that tough son of a bitch, Georgia Bulldog from Texas as the ball spinner. On that note, being tough, we've seen you broken neck,

I think broken ribs back yeah threw a touchdown or like an 80 yard don't touch me don't touch me please I've got a broken collar button right now actually they're going to try to fix it during the time out but don't fucking touch me right now Debutt has a question about all of that yeah keep representing for the 09 class making us proud

but you've been doing this for a long long time Pat talked about it earlier and Sean McVeigh his offense he's put out so many head coaches the offense have been trying to be stopped for a long time How have the defenses kind of evolved throughout your career, especially when it comes to kind of slow you in this offense down? Yeah, it's been a huge evolution. I mean, I think back to when I first got into the league, it was, you know, Tampa 2.

We're bringing just, you know, old school smack and wham and playing three deep fire zone behind it. Then it kind of went to the Seattle 3 morph, you know, when they were winning their Super Bowls and doing all that. Then Vic Fangio kind of came around and was doing a bunch of his stuff, catching things from depth. There's a bunch of great coordinators. As offense changes, defense catches up, and vice versa. It's been a lot.

It's kind of a fun challenge for me, to be honest with you, to try to remember what it was like back then and now what we're facing is a whole lot different. But it forces everybody to kind of keep up and change with the times, and it's been a whole lot of fun. I think Drew Bree said, as you get older, you're just trying to keep your body up with your brain. And then when you're young, it's like you're trying to do the opposite.

So when you talk about brain and you say you just rattled off a bunch of the defense, defenses you face. There's a cyclicality to football, it feels like. Are you pulling from early days right now whenever you're seeing some stuff or thinking of that? Is that happening to you before every single snap? Are you like, how do you? Sometimes. Or if I'm watching tape during the week, I'm like, oh, you know what this reminds me? This is kind of what so-and-so used to do, maybe out of a different front or they run this, you know, pressure off of a different front or something like that. So yeah, I'm always, I'm always talking about that, talking about, hey, where did this defensive coordinator come from? What tree is he in? Oh, he learned from him.

the thing he might pull from the past. All that kind of stuff. I'm sitting there wasting my time thinking about for sure. Yeah, I love that. And dissecting the defense is what you old fucks can do. That is the entirety of it all, especially if you can still just... I mean, just so good. B.A., what did you say earlier today? He's the only guy I went out and watched warm up every time we played

him. And just because I was amazed that the throws he could make in warmups. I think I watched him and Kelly Moe up there in Detroit during the I think you guys hits crossbar like six straight throws alternating each other and it was like the dumbest display

of ball throwing that I've ever seen we ended up winning that game though hell yeah I didn't do anything I didn't do anything still won't

that Andrew left forth down scramble oh Donnie Avery we had so much fun in that building that was a walkoff brother

we went running up that tunnel I didn't do shit I had a great time it was awesome I'm sorry that happened to you but it was a great night in Detroit for me

yeah that place was beautiful on that note throughout the history go ahead con man yeah matt uh unbelievable game winner on sunday although it feels as though me maybe b a tie could have made that throw just because nobody was around it was that the easiest game winner you've ever had and then when you realize there's 10 men or actually did you realize there were 10 men and if you did did you kind have to you know hide yourself from smiling or realizing that oh my gosh the colch's gave this game away? Well, it was a nice, you know, it was nice to them to leave one off for me. I wasn't expecting that out of the timeout, but it really didn't affect that place because

Tutu still had a guy on him. Tutu just trying an unbelievable route. And, you know, it's, I said this, you know, I think in a press conference after the game, but it's kind of like a clear-out route. It's the back, it's the fourth real, really, like, progression read we're looking at, but man, it kind of comes alive and just happy for him. He's kind of had an up and down start to the season, but an unbelievable. way to finish it, man. Just happy for two-two. I think I watched a mic up between Peyton Manning and Ray Lewis.

And Peyton Manning was telling Ray that he only has 10 people on the field. It was a red zone play. You only got 10, Ray! You only got 10! And then you see Ray's head start looking around, and then he calls a timeout, and then they actually did only have 10. Is there and obviously, what an

interesting give and take by Peyton and Ray Lewis to have? Are you a chirper out there? Do you, how much are you, because you do get fiery. We see you get very fiery out there. chatting from Matthew Stafford at the age of 37 still on the field? I don't talk to the other team too much, you know, but I wear the helmet, I wear the pads, I play on Sunday so that I can go act like an idiot and be crazy out there if we do something good or bad. I get the mic'd up sometimes sent to me the full-uncut version and it's some off-the-wall

shit. So I'm happy that not all of it makes it to the airways, but I do have a lot of fun playing out there. Shout out to the LA Digital and Social Team and the NFL Films people looking out to all these years. NFL films have been looking out for guys for a long time. Yeah, it's going to into a vault, but somebody's going to have access. Don't worry about it. I said a lot of terrible things about, like, my own coach there. It's gone. Don't worry about it.

Are you sure? Because if anybody shows that to him, I'm out of a job. I'm sure that. You know, there's a lot of those things happening. Shout to NFL films. And I appreciate the fact that you're still human. Still love it, huh? Love it.

Love it. Have a blast. It's a hell of a challenge, but I still love doing it. Every day you wake up, excited about ball. Is it like we're on the 16th hole, 15th hole? Just, hey, let's try to enjoy the hell out of these last. Like, have you changed your mentality of, like, who knows how many of these we have? Or have you always been like that?

Have you seen that through the progression of the years? No, I think you always try to be that way, but it's obviously a little bit more evident at the moment. I mean, I got a lot of gray in this beard right here. So I don't know how much longer we'll be doing it, but I do enjoy the heck out of it, man. And I think, you know, with experience, you know, I gained perspective on how much I love this stuff. And really missing time in training camp, man, it just gutted me that I wasn't out there. So that's a good sign for me to know that I'm still loving what I'm doing. We were worried about you.

Everybody was because it kind of was ominous. You were in that tube and then you were out and then you weren't practicing. You're supposed to practice. They weren't practicing. Was there scary times in training camp? Was there a worry? Yeah, definitely. My clone's having a first, you know, from hell of the first.

That's wonderful to you know. All right, so Matthew Stafford has the records with Calvin Johnson and Cooper Cup, the clone version. He's about to have the record with Puka. He's dealing to Puka right now. Well, I'll tell you what, these teeth? You're right. Clean.

Clean out of easy. Let's talk about the Rams turnover on the other side of the ball. It has to be fun to watch. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Matt, you know, when you guys get rolling, I think everyone understands what your offense is capable of. And last year, right before you went on your big run, the kind of talking point was like, well, is this defense going to be able to get there because it's so young? And then obviously, Jared Verst comes out of nowhere, finishes the year incredible.

What has it been like watching the development of that defense over like the past year to where they're at now? It's been awesome. A bunch of young guys, a couple key veterans in some spots that have really helped solidify it. They were outstanding on Sunday. They've done a hell of a job against the run so far this year. And then when the ball is in the air, those guys in the back end are making plays on it. Cam Curl with two picks is, you know, what more can you ask for if you're the quarterback? So it was awesome. It's fun to watch them. It's held to practice against them, to be honest with you.

Our front is rushing like crazy. So it's a lot of fun to sit on the sideline and have a ton of confidence in the dudes that are out there going out there and making a play. They hunt, man. They really do. It is a fun. You're a fun team to watch just in general. I think it's perfect for Los Angeles. Last question here comes from BA. Yeah, Matt, the division right now, nobody's got a losing record. I mean, it looks like the toughest division in football. where is the toughest place for you to go play personally in the division? You know, Seattle traditionally, I mean, they've just done a hell of a job with their crowd. San Francisco, you know, is tough as well. Those two, you know, are the biggest two challenges, Arizona.

You've got to say, you've got to say. Arizona is obviously tough. They're going to have to say that. They're there, sure. Well, no, it's true. I mean, you look at us, we went there in late Nague last year at Arizona. So, like, they're a tough place to play. too. So it's all three.

Yeah, you're right, man. To me, it feels like the best division in football. Quarterbacks playing at a high level. Defances are playing really good. It's tough football out there in the NFC. West right now. How about favorite place you've ever played? Can't be Detroit, can't be so-fi, can't be Athens.

Lambo's my favorite spot. I love Lambo, the tradition. You walk out that little tiny tunnel. I feel like Bart Starwarked out that tunnel. I mean, it's just, it's an awesome feel. And I love the history of the game. and you feel like you're a part of it when you play there. We appreciate you joining us.

Good luck the rest of the way and hold it down for the old guys. Hell yeah. Hold it down. You look great. You're spinning it. Appreciate it, guys. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion, Matthew Stafford.

Thursday night football, 49ers versus the Rams. Ram's favored by five and a half. Rock Purdy. Yeah, why is he on the graphic? Is he definitely playing? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, 200-some million. $200-some million? Just wondering.

To is hurt, short week, sore toe. Could get him on a two weeks break. Could get him potentially two weeks break. Hey, you better play, Brock. After that stinker. We love Brock. Got to get out there and play. B.A.

You got to be out there, baby. You got to be out there. It's all about availability. Yes, it is. The greatest ability is availability. That game is awesome for a Thursday night football. Oh, goodness, yeah. And the Los Angeles Rams, exciting brand of football.

Like, always going to be seemingly technically sound. Okay, Sean McVey's literally running. routes with them out there. He's a good ball coach, right? It feels like Sean McVeigh, not just obviously incredibly handsome, good talker, fast talker, and everything like that. Substance-wise, as a coach, he's a great coach. That doesn't really get talked about much with Sean, I think, because he's so young and he looks like he's 12. They're always good, it feels Yeah, when you look at that lineage where he came from, you know, through the Shanahan system and all the people he's been with, he got great background in his coaching ability and

and his knowledge, and he knows how to teach it. He knows how to teach it, and he brings a lot of enthusiasm to his guys. I like that. That's the thing you see most. Because in the league, you got to coach with intellect, number one. Like, we got to know, we can trust you that you're going to put us in good positions. But it seems like he has the intellect, he has the energy, and like he can communicate. Like, he can get what he wants across to the team.

Set their vibe, they always look like they come ready to play. You talked about the defense, so it's going on both sides of the ball. And you talked about not only the coaching tree, he's coming. from but the coaching tree that he's already put out there and being so young in his career so many head coaches out there running some form of his offense on that note just got a text from orlovsky um he said what zach taylor's running is very different than sean mcvay now at this stage and yes i think the system hurts the offensive line if you were wondering unsolicited okay is what dan or he don't know so much sport run game in mcvay and uh the rams i think

Kyle Williams had like over 300 carries last week. So some of his personnel and Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, both phenomenal quarterbacks, different, though. I saw it at the very end. We should have thanked him for it. Did you see the drawing he had to me up there? Yeah, the top right for us, but. What's the armist?

Oh, I forget what the name is. They always do something zany, right? Yeah, they are zany bunch. Yeah. We appreciate that. Love that. Good energy. Stafford. So good.

He's a ball player. I think it was, that was old. old CBA. That was old, old CBA. Would have been a good time to be a number one overall pick. Yeah. Who is the last one? He was like 50?

Was it Bradford? Yeah. Yep. That lucky SOB. Year before Cam, I think Cam was the first of the new CBA. Oh, geez, Cam. So sorry. I mean, it was vastly different times.

He didn't get N. Yeah, it was vast. That's a good point. It wasn't called NAL back then. It wasn't called. To be clear. Just to be clear. Deserved without a doubt every period absolutely deserved it. Okay, let's get to a if it happened

Legend. And that Under Armour deal was so awesome though that I bought Under Armour because came out of doubt. If it's good for the that's maybe the most athletically gifted person I've ever seen in my life with these eyes if Under Armour is good for him it's good for me I think it was good business decision whoever made said business decision yeah whenever made said business decisions. People forget about Cam Newton, I think. That is happening. He was unbelievable. Even the Juco days where he's freestyling in front of the entire team, it's like, this dude has always been front mind, like legitimately. He's got interesting hats, I will say. He does. Look at the roster he was on at Auburn and how many guys played in the NFL

when they won the national championship. And then people would say, look at their, look at everything else. Yeah, look at the Panthers. Yeah. Yeah, Cam was special talent. Now, on that note, that's no BS. It is time for one of our favorite segments of the week. BS or no BS with B.A. Okay, we're going to say a statement that has been made by somebody somewhere, and we've seen it. It's not us saying it. No.

Just like the, you blow it, Colin. Yeah, exactly. It was somewhere on the internet. I couldn't stop. We were just trying, we're trying to figure out whether or not it's BS or no BS. All right, here's the first one. The Bengals might be. dead dead. So a lot of people were saying after last night, especially no Joe Burrow here for

the foreseeable future, no protection of quarterback anyways. If Joe Burroughs is in there, inevitable almost for him not to be playing this season. Seemingly a reoccurring thought. They gave a lot of money to two wide receivers. Trey Hendrickson's still not happy nor around long term and they just got their asses beat on prime time. So the statement is the Bengals might be dead dead. Is that BS or no BSBA? That's no BS, because they can't block anybody. Okay, okay. Right now they can't step anybody.

I mean, it's amazing to me that's, that is a very talented football team. And Jake Browning's had games, but even he didn't have a chance to back foot last night a few times. And they're all over him. So if they don't get a running game, they're going to kill them. Okay, so that D.C. leaves, obviously, Luano Romo. There's all the drama in the offseason about the deals that still haven't really been figured out going into this offseason. and Trey Hendrickson, most specifically. Are they going to think about being sellers, you think, this year?

Would the goal be here to punt on a year if you're the Cincinnati Bengals? Like, what do you think their mindset is? If they are, in fact, no bullshit, dead dead at this point. No, I think they're going to go fight, fight, fight every week. You know, I mean, you're never going to give up in this league. And, you know, Zach's going to be fighting for his job again. And, you know, that defense, they've got to have some more pride about them. Debutt, you think they're dead dead?

yeah definitely did that historically bad run game too I don't even know the exact numbers but Chase Brown and he had a decent year last year but no run game so you talk about you know coming from that McVay Tree you got to have a run game you got to have play action I don't care how talented

your receivers are on the outside you can't be a drop back passing offense especially with your backup quarterback so everybody here with football brain sensor we just saw him we saw we built the team in the offseason now you have the MVP caliber quarterback he can cover up a lot of that shit. When you don't, she can get ugly real quick.

And it has. And we all had to watch it last year. Never again. Like, let's do that right now. But aren't they? Yeah, they're probably. They are thanks. Oh yeah, they are on Thanksgiving. Change it right now. Change it right now. I think Cincinnati Bengals are scheduled for primetime. Yeah. Thanksgiving. Can't have it. No, can't.

That's a lot of eyes. Now, we had the lions for a long time on Thanksgiving. Yes, we did. At noon. Yeah, you're right. It kicked off the day. And you can eat the tradition. part of that because that was part of it. It's like, hey, you wake up, you're going to have Thanksgiving lunch with your family, you're going to watch the lions get their asses kicked. No, they always put up a good fight.

It was just devastating. It's a part of tradition to watch them lose. Exactly. We can't just be thrown in the Bengals because why not, okay? Especially and again, I said it yesterday. This is not Jake Browning's fault. You see it last night, but we don't need to be watching them on Thanksgiving night, okay?

Especially because we're all going to be a little tired. At that point, we won't watch good ball. That kind of carries us through them. That kicks off the entire holiday season. The Cincinnati Bengals are going to be tasked with kicking off our holiday season? Not on my watch. And they're going to have a lot more primetime games because Joe Burroughs so freaking cool. And Jamar Chase has so many cool dance moves.

I hate the Bengals, dude. This sucks. Like, genuinely sucks. And he mentioned... Why do you hate the Bengals? They got a lot of cool stuff. This whole off season we just... I hate them.

Can't even go into how much they suck. They probably have four more prime times games. But to what Pat said that Dan Uflovsky told him, can he just change the offense? Can he just go out there and be like, okay, we're going to do what the Steelers kind of did. We're going to put six tackles out there when we run the ball. And then when we throw the ball, we're going to chip and help the O'Line. Like, why aren't they just doing that? Yeah, that's a good question.

I mean, you've got to help the guy somehow. I don't know. 47 years. The jump that they were getting, the Broncos were getting, the tackles weren't even out of their stance yet. And the guy had no chance. So you got to chip, help something, and run the down ball with something. And I think that's the big difference where they've gone to a 50-pass attack every week.

Yeah. Even with Joe. Joe does some super stuff, you know, that they can do. Well, they did the, they're doing 50 passes because they just paid $60 million a year to the two wide receivers on the outside. And we asked the question, to your point, do you but in the off-season? You've been around football a long time.

Somebody that's been around. Is this how you build a winning football team? Everybody with a football brain was like, nope, never have, never will. This is not how it goes. The wide receiver thing, he even said it there earlier whenever he was chatting. Tackles, you trade up and get one of those.

Wire receivers, you get one of those guys in the third round. It's like, I don't think you can get a chase in a third round or a T in the third round. But what they're saying, all the OGs of football is like, You can have an operable offense with maybe not an outright rock star wide receiver. You can't have an operable offense if you have a bad offensive line. The wide receiver does not matter. You cannot get the ball to the wide receiver.

You've got to figure out this first. Inside Out, I think is how everybody talks about building a team. And it did feel like all offseason. The Bengals were literally starting as far out as they possibly could. And then they started going in. And now, granted, they were putting a position where sucks for them to have to make those types of decisions, obviously, especially with talent that they had and have grown and everything like that in relationships.

But everybody that knows ball is like, that's not a winning recipe. And then we watch on Monday night football, them score three points. And the quarterback is just getting absolutely brutalized. And everybody says, we told you so. That is basically what everybody is saying to the Cincinnati Bengals team. And I don't like that because unlike Connor, I don't hate Cincinnati Bengals. I like that they're a gritty football team, family-owned football team. We should be smarter business-wise to think they've tried to.

and their fan base treats it like it's a college team down there. You know, it is a great environment. The tailgating's insane. They always fill up. It's like, it just feels like this particular roster construction might have to be real. You don't like the bagels. Hmm? You don't like to. Well, you don't have.

They were selling their TVs at our stadium to their fans. That was one of the better things they've done. That's a good hustle. 55 inch TV for 80 bucks? Yeah, I think so. But it's not, it's not. In the parking lot they're doing that sale. Exactly.

Set up a tent. Yep. And when they're gone, they're gone. So get down here now and get them is basically what they're doing it has nothing to do with hating them bury these guys at 1 p.m on sundaes okay thanksgiving can't have it no i want to have a good thanksgiving me too you think i want to be yelling at my mom and you know my my grandma and stuff like that and my my brothers no because that's what's going to happen we're going to look up it's going to be 28 nothing with 11 minutes left in the first quarter

and we're going to be saying what we're going to do here we're going to talk to each other you know we're leftovers left over well left over yeah but you're going to have to talk now there's no no distractor and because you're going to have to do that. What are you going to say? Politics, religion. I'm going to go get, I'm going to go get liquored up first, and then I'm going to come back, and then we're going to talk politics and religion, and we're going to be doing that boozed up, and it's going to be maybe

the worst Thanksgiving ever. And that's all because the Bengals are on Prime Night. Now, who do they play? Doesn't matter. Well, because, no, hold on now. If it's the bronze, if it's the Browns, Miles Garrett jumping over their offensive line in, doing belly-to-back, German suplex. Yeah, F-5. But if he's doing release super

Bengals, Bengals, Browns. If it's Bengals Browns on Thanksgiving night, they should fire Goodell right now. I don't think. I agree. They should. It's Ravens, Browns. Oh.

I think it worse right now. Zero zero on Thanksgiving night. I think Jake Browning will slice and dice that Ravens defense right now. True. I think there's a chance. And whoever's behind Browning. Yeah, they just need to do what the Steelers did with Darnel, Washington.

They just need to bring in, that needs to be 12 personnel, even whenever they're trying to throw the ball. They need two assister. They need tag teams. As many guys as you got. And you know what? Let's get a fullback in there as well. Let's have one wide receiver.

Let's have one route on the outside. We're paying them too much. They've got to both be out there. Oh, yeah. Okay, you're right. Well, you can't even protect even more because we're going to have both them out there. Good luck, bangles. We're pulling for you.

All right. Let's go back to BS or no BS with BA. Go ahead, con man. Yeah, Bruce, Sunday night football. We all watched it and we were all pissed on how it ended. NFL games should end in ties. And that is definitely the right decision, BA. Is that BS or no BS?

I think it's BS. part of the problem. Yeah, because I was one of the ones that in the league meetings opted to go for a 10-minute overtime. Oh, really? This is your fault. Micah's return to Jerry World is a 40-40-time because of you? One of the reasons, yes, we had a game with Seattle

and we had like 106 offensive plays. We couldn't even practice that week. If we'd had to play Thursday night, we'd no chance. And it was about a player safety. But I have a recommendation that now if it's a tie both teams go out

you get the ball in the 8-yard line you score you get the ball you score until somebody wins the game there are no ties

it's not going to put a lot of plays in it's not going to take a lot of time and it also lets the stars decide let's go so I had golden boot idea

okay golden boot idea have the snap hold kick from 55 against each other 60, 65, 70 so player health and safety kickers can kick forever and also it's electrifying

What you just laid out, golden boot, much better. Okay, so eight-yard line, both sides. I think offense and defense on separate sides on the field at the same time. I think right beforehand, quarterbacks meet at the 50. There's a coin. It says first or second. Quarterbacks aren't even picking. It's just a first or second thing.

And then they shake hands, then they walk back to their team. If this team's first, obviously they go, they don't score. Holy shit, let's look down at the other end. Okay, this play is about to start right here. As soon as this play ends, this plays now on play clock down here. If they stop, we go back. They have to go first then that time, right? And then they go back the other way?

Yeah, like college overtime, where it's like offense, defense, and then defense offense. Yeah, defensive team. It would be very, very fast, and it would be that many plays added to the game. Guys are going to be exhausted down there. Imagine three straight eight-yard plays. Oh, my God, the D-line. Everybody's going to be chasing their asses off. At the end of that whole thing, that'll be electrifying.

Somebody gets a big-time stop down here. Oh, I like the inch line. Oh, because eight-yard line. There's some yak potential. Oh, yeah. And there's some big, big shots there. Boom, big shot knocked out of bounds into half yard line. Obviously, rest blow it dead.

Yep. No, no. Let's go down to the other end. Wait, you can't do that. What if Mr. Jacks? Got Travis Hunter. He's on one end. He's got a jaw all the way down.

You don't want Liam Cohen. You don't want him. You don't want him. We don't want problems with him. Yeah, we don't get his bass. You know what we didn't judge in that Taylor to tape yesterday is Liam's got a little bit more. Yeah. He's like you now.

Sollab being 6-4, I think, is problematic for maybe everybody but Vrable, MCDC, and a couple others that are coaching currently in the NFL. Kelvin Shepard, I would give the advantage to over everybody and any former players that are younger and still very fit. I would give them an advantage. Well, Coem is, Coen's 6-2, he said. Yeah. Okay, let's make sure this gets a correction. Why did we change that? Why did we not change this?

What hell is this? This is outrageous. There was a clear omission of facts. He was 6-2. He is 6-2. 6-2. He's not 6-1? Yeah. He's 2-40. That's 6-1. He's 6-2.

Internet said 6-1. That's Wikipedia. His actual college one said that he was 6-2, actually. Yeah, we had... He might as you get older. I'll tell you what, Sala might be 270 at this point. We don't know what he's high. He could be heavy-organt. Yeah, especially if he knows he's about to get into a fight. You know, he might pack on some weight.

But I like the 8-yard line, 8-yard line shoot-out. That's brilliant. I think that keeps the stars on the field. I think there is an exhilarating and I think it would end like it would have a prompt ending and people would feel justified that they got the win I think

if that was... Yeah, everybody's got a fair shot. You did it, B.A. You ruined it. Yeah. You ruined it by voting for the 10 minute thing. But then you... Now you're making it right. All right. Last one here. This is more so a question.

Which Rushmore is BS and which Rushmore is no BS. Rushmore on X debuted today at Rushmore on X. On X is where you find the full episode. It's about 30 minutes. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Ari Emanuel, Ben Persky, sit down and try to figure out the four best receivers, ball catchers, because tight ends got to add to it because I believe Tom and also everybody said, well, with how much that tight end catches the ball, if you want to put one on there, you can. They did. There's debates. There's

battles from these two Rushmore and Ari and Ben's, then one final Rushmore is created. There's heat, their stories. It's a great show. It is a great episode. From these two Rushmore's that you see, Peyton Manning's Rushmore of wide receivers, which is Jerry Russ, Marvin Harrison, Raymond Barry, great throwback, and Tony Gonzalez, to Tom Brady's Rushmore, Jerry Ross, Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Rob Grancowski. You've coached numerous dudes that are up here, Peyton and Tom included. Which Rushmore is BS, and which Rushmore is no BS, BA? I think they're both no BS. I mean, I don't know. You take any of them off. They're just eight great players and different eras

and I might throw John Mackey in there who has a war name after him and was running the premier tight ends ever back in the day because I am a little old school Yeah, you are old school Tell me about Larry Fitzgerald though

Tell me Rob Gronkowski I don't want to spoil the episode Rob Gronkowski We all get a reminder, I think Yes Because everybody sees Rob having a great time Literally everywhere Doesn't seemingly take anything serious

I love that he is still just always himself. Now, I think he's a genius, too. I don't think a lot of people give him credit for being a genius. He is everywhere, seemingly getting paid all the time, too. So let's make sure we acknowledge the fact that he has big-time brains when it comes to being retired. But what they talk about him playing football, both Peyton and Tom, they start debating with each other basically about how great gronk is. And maybe gronk's the greatest. Maybe gronks the greatest of all time.

They get into that entire thing. It is a great conversation. You got to coach Gronk and Fitz. What are your thoughts on Gronkowski? I think people appreciate Gronk. I think they like Gronk, but I don't think there is like the Tom Brady's the goat. I don't think there's a lot of like, hey, Gronk might be one of the greatest players of all-time narrative out there. Do you think that should be?

And what did you see from Gronk behind us? Yeah, I definitely think it should be because he's such a unique animal. He can block like a tackle. He could catch over the middle and you can put him out wide. And he catch the phase, he's one-hand catching. He's just unbelievable skill set all over the field. And it was such a, he's a total mismatchman. We thought Darren Waller was a little bit of a mismatch the other night.

That's Grunk every day. Okay, so let's talk about that. This is what Tom had to say about Grunk on Rushmore on X. There are very few guys that could get open on someone. Rob Grankowski could get open on Dorel Rivas. On the best corner of all time, when Ocho Cinco couldn't, when T.O. couldn't. When other guys couldn't, Gronk could get open on him with his size and length. So you're talking about the best cover guy in my mind that I ever played against was Durel Revis. And there

were plenty of times where I threw balls. And I practiced in 2014, Revis was a teammate. And I would put Gronk on Revis. And Gronk was the best I ever saw it getting open on Revis. And that was because of size and it was a tough matchup. Wow. That's the only reason. That's a, that's a tremendous compliment. I mean, like, you know, you know, corners are supposed to be able to cover tied in so if they can't that means the guy the guys the guy's unique yeah so he's a beast yeah this was there was final spots being up for grabs here because there's only four obviously so tom just continued to pile on for grunk yeah because randy i think everybody knows randy moz's gonna be on there got to be i think everybody knows jerry probably going to be on there no breaker

those final two spots for the one rushmore from peyton and tom's brains coming together it got really heated in it. I'm going to be on it is great conversation, great football conversation but the Gronkowski memory lane was fantastic and I think a lot of people forgot about it. Yeah, it's incredible. I forgot about it because once you know B.A. stole Brady and Gronk, go to hell. Everyone

from New England kind of forgot those errors of them when they're in the Patriots. Seeing the Gronk highlights are unbelievable, especially when you think about his time in Indy when he just pissed on both of you guys. Don't be it. Hey, I didn't you talked about though. I was with him as a rookie in his first

practice, you knew he was going to be special. Would have probably been the top 10 pick if he didn't have some back issues coming into the draft, but just a freak show in the run game and in the past game. You look at the other tight ends, receiving wise, Gonzalez, Gates, Kelsey, now it's the conversation, but when you talk about a total package, run

game, receiving, not a conversation. Tom Brady talked about how we were running behind hit. Our rush game was where's drunk, our past game, where's wrong. I mean, he's like, the way they start talking about, especially during the greatest dynasties of all time. And we asked B.A. to put together his quarterback rush more.

He has Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Terry Bradshaw, and then he cheated a little bit. Johnny United is an Autogram. We'll share that one up there. Any quick thoughts on why you couldn't make just four B.A.? Yeah, you got to go old school a little bit, you know, and Autogram had the best quote I've ever heard. He came in our locker room in Cleveland one Saturday morning. He said, he looked at Tim Couchy and Kelly Hokem and said, look, I never threw a bad pass in my life. Even the ones that got intercepted would hit my guy right in the chest. I've got to have that type of moxie on Mount Rushmore

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That's a good cadence. 47 year coach, Super Bowl champion, Coach BA here. Great to see you coach, no risk, no biscuit. The toxic tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt, nine year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler is here. Congrats to your dolphins last night. They look like a great team.

I'm on the board. Also, congrats to one half of the hammer. Dod. Cowboys, Bubba Gumpino. Congrats to your dolphins last night. Gumpby. You've certainly rode the wave here of emotions with this team. Are you all the way back in? I know the Tyree Kill News is certainly devastating,

and he has posted, thank you for all the prayers and love. He's at the hospital. We assume that his recovery and rehab is going to go well and smooth, but that's a devastating injury. I mean, that's one they talk about. long term like your knees side especially for how explosive how athletic he is it's uh it's sad it is very very sad but away from that particular which is tough to just say hey away from the guy that we paid more money to than anybody we had ever paid money to and we reset the entire wide receiver

market and we said we're going all in offensively with mcdaniel offensively and paying tyreek hill we think he's unguarded we're bringing in two oh we're bringing in a big system it's hard to say without the tyreek hill news that has to be one of the best nights you've had is As a Dolphins fan in a long, long time, Gumpy? By far this season, for sure. By far. What about last year? What about last year? How to go last year?

Two, it was hurt a lot, so it was pretty rough. Remember, we had Snoop Huntley, Skylar Thompson, Seattle, zero points. It was a little bit rough run. We got a four-game stretch here. Browns, Anthers, Falcons, Chargers. You got a chance. Four games, you got to get back in the mix. Yeah, absolutely.

You win three of those. It's going to be good to have Darren Waller against that Brown's defense. Is that... In Cleveland. Three? What's that? Three of those, gumsch? Well, you have to win three to get back in the mix.

Two's not enough. Don't be saying, we're going to playoff in Super Bowl. It's every reaction Tuesday right now for golfing. No, I know. I don't think you need that many. I mean, the Bengals are banged up. The Texans are shite. All of a sudden, those seven teams, you know, in week one that you thought we're going

to make the playoffs, there's a few that are definitely right now out. Wild card spots potentially available. Raven's one and three. What are they going to be? Yeah. Lamar Jackson. Let's stay in that conversation for a second. I believe the Adam Schaefter podcast, that you were co-hosted up, you guys do a great job, was talking about this morning something about Lamar Jackson. And I just kind of assumed that this would be the case, especially because he ended up not playing for the last quarter and a half of a game in which it was only a 17-point deficit in a huge game against the Chiefs.

And him being on the sideline, obviously, was alarming to all of us. he had a hamstring strain as how it was being talked about. There's now kind of indicators for what's happening this weekend, right? Schefter was saying? Yeah, Shephti said that where things sit right now, he gets the feeling that Lamar Jackson is not going to play Sunday against the Texans. And I can't remember who they have the following week. But then the week after that, they have a buy.

And he said, obviously, you know, it's too early to say that, but he's wondering if they don't try to maybe sit Lamar the next two weeks, get him through the buy to get him healthy. because he said Harbaugh did say, hey, even if this would have been a close game, like Lamar wasn't good enough to come back in. So he has a legitimate hamstring issue. So we'll see.

I mean, we'll see what happens on Sunday. But as of right now, on Tuesday, Shefti doesn't think he's going to play on Sunday. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, his former Cincinnati Bengal, everybody forgets about that. College football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, the all-time leading tackler

for the Green Bay Packers, Hoffnom, A.J. Hawker, we know you from your Cincinnati, Bangal Days and obviously you grew up in Centerville as a Cincinnati Bengals fan. They seemingly are in trouble, especially after losing last night. 283. Baltimore Raven seemingly

in some trouble. Cleveland Browns have a chance at this thing, even though there's really no expectations offensively for them to be great for that long of a time. I mean, the fact that the Browns might actually come out of this thing.

And then the people are, and then the Pittsburgh Steelers, obviously, yeah, they make some plays there. Then the Pittsburgh Steelers, like the AFC North, Aaron Rogers and the Steelers all of a sudden sitting in a very favorable spot to potentially make it to the dance, AJ. Yeah, it is. And started with the Bengals, yeah, this is, it was a tough one to watch, I think, and NBA hit on it. Like when you have, you know, they're on a three-man rush and they're both outside rushers are getting off the ball so quick.

Our guys aren't even on their stance yet on the outside. That's, it's just tough, man. I don't know what it would be like to be on the Bengals right now throughout this stretch. what they have coming, coming, you know, in the future without Joe Burrow for the foreseeable future, that's for sure. I don't know what you do. But yeah, FC North, what are you talking about? The Steelers have to feel very, very good about where they are. Are we at a point now, coach, where these teams know who they are, like, do we think teams are starting to find out who they are about week five or so? I know nothing matters until Thanksgiving, like Bengals

playing prime time Thanksgiving night. We can't wait to that. But do you think teams are starting to figure out who they are and if they're a competitor? Yeah, they should really know who they are right now. You should have your identity down pat. Now, injuries change the lot of things. You know, when you lose your quarterback, are we going to become a running team? We got to change things. Lose a couple of tackles. Yeah, we got to bring tight ends in. That changes things. But you should know who your football team is right now. All right. Let's talk about some drama around the NFL. It's only continuing to build. A.J. Brown, after a huge win against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Philadelphia Eagles continue to be

dominant. I mean, the Philadelphia Eagles just go into somebody else's house and beat them. For a half. What's that? Four half. It got to win. What was the final score? If it was a half a quarter of the game, Coach. I mean, there was almost some more cardiac baker coming back, and four straight comebacks in the fourth quarter would have been electrifying and great for the Baker-Mayfield tail.

But Philadelphia Eagles do what they do. They're solid. Block. Get a big block in the kicking game. Jalen does his thing. The tush push, innovative. And they don't even need to really throw it to the wide receivers. What are your thoughts?

Did you feel good about where Tampa Bay is? years after losing the Philly? And what are your thoughts on Philadelphia before we dive into the drama over there? Oh yeah, I feel real good about Tampa Bay situation because there's still all the injuries and guys that are missing. But I mean, they didn't complete a pass in the second half. And they dug too many block kicks for the bucks. Block kick every week, that's trying to change. But I love the imagination, Nick Seriani and Kevin did last week with the touch push and the little shuffle pass. I mean, everybody's got them. They knew they might get stopped going up to the middle, but it's great coaching.

Yeah, Philadelphia Eagles are on fire right now. I mean, that defense, like, I love their defense. Zach Bond is awesome. Campbell, I think he's going to be great at the rookie linebacker they have. But two, and we talked about it preseason, my sophomore superstars, I had two Eagles, Quignan Mitchell and Cooper DeGine. And, like, those are probably the two best corners playing. Like, Quinion followed Ibuka a lot in his face, one of the best press corners in the league already.

and Cooper DeGine played some outside corner, played a nickel, but like his awareness, physicality, like those two, those are two young superstar. I'm talking about like top 10 players on defense right now. Cooper DeGine's playing outside and inside a little bit of a hybrid. Yes, absolutely. And they need help on the base because they're outside corner. You know, you had O'Doree Jackson out there.

You traded for Jacorian Bennett from the Raiders. So they've been kind of looking for somebody out there. He can play out there, like 1,000 percent. But when they do go sub, which they play him, majority sub with that quarters kind of show that Stafford kind of talked about with Fangio, like you got to have Cooper DeGine in the interior of that

defense when it goes up. We're so proud of Cooper. Yeah. Are we? Yeah. I'll take a bullet for that guy. Great Hawkeye. He is. Best ever. How come he's going to start a trend, isn't he? This is going to become a new thing. What's that? I don't know

if they're making a whole lot of Cooper de Jeans out there. What are you saying? What do you mean? Just Uber Uber, Uber athletic white guys. Well, I just don't know how many of those guys are growing on trees.

You're talking about Caucasoids out there. Yeah, exactly. Guys who can go line up in the NFL and you're not like, oh, Jesus Christ, there's a white guy out there. We know Seahorn. Unbelievable.

Exactly. Seahoe was so good. Think about the things that have been said to these wide receivers in the NFL, in meeting rooms, about Cooper DeGine locking them down. Legitimately, just think about.

Don't let this guy lock you down. You cannot let this dude lock you down. You know, that's happening. I might argue that Cooper DeGine causes the most amount of shit talk maybe in the history of professional sports. I would say that. He's got some shit to him, too.

Oh, yeah. He's awesome. He got a bullshit taunting penalty. Yeah, he came down, made a great tackle, kind of did the AI stepover, which I love. Bullshit. I hate the taunt.

I know his point of emphasis coming into the season, but he definitely got some shit to him. What is it, Jordy Nelson? Jordan, here's the lockover, I believe. Yep, give me that. give me that it's football Lou Donner

right I believe that's what he steps over in that entire thing but the the thought of Cooper Dejean being maybe the greatest of all time okay grace white of all time on the defense side of the ball

that's a huge corner corner yeah he's already here wow what about already the greatest it was Denver yeah what about

Rodley well oh yeah he's good he's good he's good he's got to pick it up a little bit but it's not a question for me. The greatest white DB of all time. Not DB. We got Harrison Smith, got Eric Weddell.

I won't go DB. Corner. Cornerback. How many are they to choose for? What are they five? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. We got it. Love you, Koo! Way to go. Congratulations. Koo! Koo! Koo! I'll tell you what.

You put them out there on that island. A little bit more sunscreen. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay. It's a little brighter. Oh, dear. Okay, there's a lot of that stuff. These are the greatest of all time. We need to celebrate that.

It's early. That touchdown at a Super Bowl. Yeah, exactly. I mean, this guy is... They're a champion. Yeah, huge. So you'd think you'd want to be teammates with that guy. So this is what happens, Coach,

B.A., this undefeated football team just got out of Super Bowl. Mm-hmm. Okay? They also paid wide receivers. Very good wide receivers. And what we have learned in the NFL, which is why we were so impressed with what Siriani was able to do last year, is if you got two stud wide receiversers,

receivers, in their entire legacy, their entire bag and career depends on how often either an offensive coordinator is deciding to get them the ball or a quarterback is deciding to get them in the ball or an offensive line can protect for a quarterback to get on the ball. A lot of things depend on other people for how they're going to be remembered and how much money they're going to make. So I think the wide receiver in nature is naturally a little bit louder than everybody else, you know, a little bit more demanding, we'd say. The position as a whole kind of has that. So balancing two superstar wide receiver as they were a run-dominant team last year.

I thought Nick Siriani did an incredible job with that. The wide receivers were actually the guys that dumped the Gatorade on Siriani, Devante and A.J. Brown. Then A.J. Brown gets targeted nine times, has two receptions, and they don't complete a pass in the second half of a game in which they go to 4-0. A.J. Brown, who's a guy that we saw him go for a hundred pluses a couple weeks ago, still got it. Absolute beast. He puts out a tweet, says, if you're not welcomed, not listen to,

quietly withdrawal. Don't make you seem. shrug your shoulders and be on your way. Now, doing all that does the complete opposite of everything in the middle of that particular take there, but he didn't outright say anything, so I think he's still good. He's just saying, worse people wouldn't do it the way I'm doing it right now. So good for me. Here's Nick Siriani answering to A.J. Brown about his importance on the team.

Yeah, yeah. You know, obviously A.J. is very important to this football team. Um, you know, I know he wants to contribute. Um, I know he wants to contribute and, uh, you know, do the things that he's capable of doing. Um, and, you know, but yeah, I mean, so it, again, he wants to contribute into, into these wins. And, and he's had a couple games where he hasn't been able to, uh, you know, and for different reasons of why we have in, in, in these games. So, um, but, but. I question nothing about, you know, his desire to play great football, his desire of being a good teammate, his desire to be here. We'll go to Jeff Nyberg and then John McMullan. Nick, how do you go about addressing a situation like that with AJ? Is it something you talk to him about last night after it happens?

Do you talk to him today? Have you talked to him and what was that conversation like? Good question. Yeah, obviously, you know, always talk to him. Somebody I talk to a daily basis. I try to reach out to all our guys on a daily basis and won't get into any private conversations that we have with any of players about any topic, right?

That's sacred relationship between the head coach and players, and we'll always keep that private, but always in constant communication with all these guys. Okay, Coach Bea, wide receiver position and head coach relationship is obviously one of those ones that has been seen, publicly, you're a part of one of them. With AB, obviously, with how that whole thing goes. And from what I've heard, AB worked his ass off, showed up at everything, but obviously expected ball as well. A lot of other wide receiver, same situation.

How do you think Coach Siriani handles this? And what do you think A.J. Brown's, like, end game is here. Do you think he wants the ball more? Do you think this is a way to try to get the ball more? Do you think he wants out? What do you think it is? And how would you handle it if you were... I think he just wants to contribute to the winning. You know, they've had so much success. I think Nick's handling it perfectly. It's a personal thing. between he and the head coach, and he had a receiver coach, even the quarterback. And they've got so many weapons. There's just one ball, you know, and one guy can't get it all the time.

So if you're doubling him, Devante might get it. They might start doubling Devante. He'll get it. I think there are ways to get cheap, cheap catches, all right? Do you feel like you've got to do that sometimes with some people? Hey, we've got to get him into game. I've got to get him, he's got to have a ball in the first five plays because they're looking at the script. When am I getting the ball?

Where's my play? First 15. Oh, yeah. I mean, first thing. And I've had a few of them. It's like, okay, I'm good. I'm going to get this screen. I'm going to get this ball on this one.

Okay, I'm happy. I'll play my ass off. All right? If you don't, say, I didn't even think about getting the first 15, either a couple days beforehand or a night before and just being like, I'm not even a part of this thing. So you go into the game mad almost.

Oh, hell yeah. You're going into the game pissed. And then whenever it ends. up happening how the script kind of laid out to it. Then there's even more, and AJ Brown's like, I don't want to be, he's kind of Trey Hendricksing this. He's kind of Trey, I don't want to be the guy that says this, but what the fuck is what he's basically tweeted there?

In Sireani having the juggle that's going to have to be a real thing for this team, because they're very good without throwing the ball. I mean, they're four and O right now. They're fresh off a Super Bowl champion. I mean, like, there's no any insight for this team. If they weren't winning, it'd be a big problem. winning solves a lot of these issues, all right? If you're one and three, and this shit's going on, it's a whole different story.

Do you think one loss brings this conversation to the forefront yet again? No, there still will be in first place, and I think this team's pretty tight. You could tell. And I think there's never been a great wide receiver that have coach that didn't want the down ball. It's your job as a coach, you get him in the ball. So you're saying you think maybe the script will change a little bit. Let's go ahead and just put him at running back here. We can wheel route this thing.

And if he doesn't want it to be a rush, he wants it to be a reception. We'll have Jalen back up a foot and kind of just give him this ball. Do the run cross. Let's get him. Let's get A.J. Brown in this game. You think that happens? And that's what he's doing this for, for sure? I know it happens.

We've done it many times. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, this is like the third straight year, AJ Browns do this. So either say your peace or shut up, stop doing it. It's annoying. But for you, like, when D.B.B. and Pat talk about, like, hey, B.A. would say, hey, there's a five-star game. You know, we're going to need our five-star players to show up.

But then sometimes you say, like, hey, there's a one-star game. Like, we need our one-star guys to contribute. The utter guys. When it is, like, a one-star game and you know that the other team is going to take out, like a Mike Evans, or they're just going to completely eliminate, like, a gronk when you had them. Like, what do you say to those guys? Because it feels like the strategy for most of these teams was like, hey, we're going

to make them make Jaylon throw the ball, but he's still not getting the ball. So, like, what do you say as? a coach to your five-star players when you know it's going to be a one-to-three-star game. Yeah, I mean, exactly that. You just put it out, hey, look, you're probably getting doubled the whole game. Your touches are going to be down. So-and-so

is going to have to step up in the middle. You know, maybe a K-Dotton or whoever your young tight end is, he gets 10, he gets 10 targets. And I think, now, as a coach, too, you move those guys around where it's hard to double them, stack them, release them, get them,

get them, little screen pass. be open. Just get any, just get him the damn ball somehow. So I saw the Vikings and Steelers do that this weekend. Justin Jefferson was force fed the ball. D.K. Metcalf was force fed the ball. And I love seeing it, AJ, because too often, I don't want to

poke fun at play callers or offensive head coaches, too often it feels like, well, they just took that guy out of the game. It's like the guy's really good. Can we just not get him the ball? It sounds like there is definitely a conversation to be had about getting these guys the ball even whenever we can't. I like that the Steelers

and the Vikings did that this weekend. I hope that continues. Now, Justin Jefferson's going to get, he had 18 catches and what, like the first half or something. Yeah, like 25 targets or something. And they go into the game saying this guy can't get the ball. So KOC definitely does that, but like DK getting forced fed the ball.

The studs getting forced fed and offensive coordinators making them get the ball happening around the league, I think feeds into A.J. Brown going, like, we can definitely figure out how to get me the ball. Puka. Yeah, Pooka is getting rock. Devante's getting the rock. Can they, this is, if they win, though,

Who cares is how everybody views it, I guess, AJ? Yeah, as long as you win, things can, they do get kind of swept under the rug. You know, eventually, I mean, if it continues to go on and on, he's not getting the amount of targets he feels he deserves. Yeah, it could be an issue, but, I mean, that's the problem about having a good team. It's one of the good, it's a good problem to have as a coach, I guess, when you have a lot of talented players that they all need and want the ball. But, B.A. is right. You could find a way, I would imagine a guy like AJ Brown, any stud receiver would appreciate when a coach finds ways to get him the ball easy and early on in the game. I think of it more from a quarterback's perspective.

Imagine a young quarterback in having that kind of pressure of trying to force feed the ball to certain stars. I can imagine that would be an issue. I don't know if BA had to deal with that at all as a coach, but for a young QB to have one or two guys that somehow will continue to be unhappy if you don't push in the ball enough, what does that do to a young guy?

No, it's hard, man. With those young guys in the huddle and that guy's looking at you? I'm going to be open, dude. No, you're not. You guys say, no, you're not. bro, they're doubling you. They say, throw the damn thing anyway. I'll get it.

Okay, so there was a moment. I think Costanzo tackle jumped off sides on a play. Play was designed for Reggie to get a touch. I forget what, the play was like Reggie has a walk-in touchdown. And the way Costanzo tells the story is he jumped off sides. Oh my God, what an idiot. Then he gets back to the huddle. He already wants to physically damage himself, you know, because that's how he is.

And he's in the huddle. And then Reggie's just sitting there basically in the huddle, just like, looking at him. And it was at that moment, Costanzo realized, oh, I fucked this guy, too. Yeah. It was like the way Costanzo tells the story is, like, one of the best stories I've ever heard. He's like, I already think I'm getting fired and I think my career's over and I'm heading back into the huddle. And then I realize there's one particular guy that hopes all those things potentially are happening at this

exact moment. It was the guy that was supposed to get a walk-in touchdown. And we're talking legacies and careers and everything. So there's so many things to dependent upon for a wide receiver to get the ball. Yeah. I mean, that's real, though. And that's the other part of it. We always talk about how much of a business this is. Like, he signed a great deal a couple years ago.

You're looking around the other guys who are in kind of his tax bracket. They're producing. They're getting numbers. They're getting targets. And I'm not. So winning, obviously, that covers up a bunch of it. And ultimately, we want to be winners. But to everybody's point, you want to feel like you contribute.

And we know the wide receiver, wide receiver won, the egos and the things. things like you need like that and that's what makes them great is being a part of the game being the guys that can change the math and these defenses are keyed in on 11 too you come in every game they're going to have their game records on the board it's going to be 26 and it's going to be 11 in the past game so credit to them and the Tampa Bay bucks that Morrison he's a he's a young dog as well I think he's going to be a great cornerback in his league for a long time mccullin they got some good good dbs back there and good defensive coaches who are going to take them out so the offensive coaches got to do a little more to get 11 the ball too yeah I hope so

I hope we get them in. I hope they continue to go. They have a chance to be real, this team has a chance to be very real. You talked about the defense, special teams. Yeah, we're talking dynasty in Siriani as the leader of it. This is a hilarious, this is the complete opposite of the bill's Bill Belichick. Yeah, there you go.

Like literally the complete opposite of it. It's like showcasing that you can win in a variety of fashions, but you still need the same shit at the end of the day, no matter how you implement it. And it's like, Sirione is going to have to jump. This is two years in a row where this is going to, it's a gift, but it's certainly a curse as well. Been dealing with his whole career. Well, and that's what nobody talks about it.

But, like, you know, because same deal. You want to take his first press conference. And, like, he is. He's just a bit of a different dude. But, like, you have to have a very high emotional intelligence to be able to deal with this for this long. Like, he said it right to. He's like, you know, I got to check him with AJ every single day. You know, like, there's a couple guys who he knows, like, he's not happy.

I got to make sure I can at least massage this a little bit. bit because it's not just that like look who they've beat so far they've beat three of the best teams in the like they beat the cowboys first week but they beat the the chiefs and the ram yeah the rams and then yeah bucks it's like beat the hell out of you bruce the hell out of you bruce holy hell i heard seriani was like is this the house that bruce arian he was talking shit to baker it was awesome be uh baker and syriani yeah oh my god he's chirping him like all game like following up and down the sideline like seriani though have you met Siriani? Oh, yeah, very well. I like, I like Nick a lot. He is. He's awesome.

I mean, he's himself. They try to kill him. They tried to kill him. They were winning games last year. And it was like, this guy. The reason the Eagles aren't going to win. Yeah. When they lose, it's going to be his fault. They've won five straight. Yeah. Doesn't matter. Who's the weakest thing? But, but it was a lot of that for Siriani. Now it's the offense coordinator. Yeah. Now the offense coordinator is the one that's like, need. He was a genius this week, man. Look what he did with the tush push. I agree. First of all. Chival pass. Sweet. The Philly John's real pissed, they already used that play.

Is that a thought for coaching? Like, why are they using this right now instead of, you know, the divisional round? No, because they would have lost the damn game day in school. Well, that's a Buccaneers pretty straight there. So that is how we can. A. A.J. It helps their touch push as well because now you've got to think about, hey, they're not guaranteed

to run the tush push. They can run outside as well. Anything you put on tape is good for the future. On that note, if they would have just continued, and then in the biggest moment, drop that shit out there. Siriani would have been, genius. Yeah. I'm a genius. You fall for the trap.

Now, granted, that's Vita Vaya over there, too. Remember, Vita V and the Bucks did beat the Tush. Kind of the antidote. So them actually just being like, yeah, we're not doing that again. No way. Is Vita Vazzo on the team? Yeah. He's so, oh, remember, we beat the.

Levante David said, we handled the Tush Bush. We'll be ready for it. We'll try to do it. again or whatever. And that's like probably a, I assume Tampa Buccaneers defense is very proud of that. Like, oh yeah. This game, this play that was going to change rules of games because nobody could stop it. We stopped it. And then all week, Siri on, he's like, look at them down there. They're going to. We got it. We got it. And then just hook line and thinker. We're going around here. What I see what we do? Yeah. We tell you what we do. Genius, man. And then AJ

Brown's like, uh, can we not to put me in there, maybe? Yeah. And me the ball. Okay. Can I've done the little skippity doda in there instead of the guy. you just paid two years early in the entirety of it all. Good luck to the Eagles. Would the expectation after all of this happens, and he puts out that tweet, like would you expect A.J. Brown to have 10 catches for 150 yards next week? Yes.

I would at least 10 targets, you know, whether or not he gets 10 catches, but the ball's coming his way, for sure. This is like when OBJ joined the Rams. Remember, like the first drive? Yeah. It was just Stafford to OBJ every single play. Antonio Brown to the Patriots, I think. Same exact thing, yeah.

It was like five catches in a touchdown on the opening drive in Miami. There is a statement that can be made to these guys. Like, hey, you are a very vital piece of this entire thing. Even though if the rest of the game, we're not able to, because we got Sequin Barclay back here and we got the Evans of the line, you can, you're saying, extend a relationship or an olive branch and saying, hey, we still appreciate you, and we're going to need you. Because you never want them to give up, right?

Never want to even clear out routes, blocking. You never want to your stars to just say, what am I doing this for? Am I just here a track practice? The hell am I running 70 yards a clip every time if I'm never going to get the rock? You can see why they're upset, but also you're undefeated. So it's hard, it's hard, you know. Doesn't really matter. Yeah, it's a really hard thing to kind of go to bat for it.

Let's talk about some other stuff happening around the sports world. I hate to say this. Oh, no. I've really enjoyed watching this European team. Enjoy this rider couple. Oh, geez. AJ, have you seen this? Yeah, they seem to know how to have a good time.

All of them. They get along so well. I mean, Rory, Rory, Rory, hey, he's in your head. Listen to this. Your head. Rory, Rory, Rory, Rory. Hey, hey, he's in your head. Oh, my gosh.

Oh, my gosh. Shut up. Okay, so that moment's happening. And that's my first thought was, too. That's a good song. I'll need to hear you guys doing that shit. And then to go to the press conference when Rory is asked about a couple

giving takes in the crowd. Not just listen to Rory. Listen to the whole team. Listen to the jocularity and how well this team gets along. Go ahead, run it, Foxy? With all that in mind, everything you go through, how satisfying is it to turn around to someone

and say, quote, shut the F up and then stiff it to two feet? Very f***y satisfied. Congratulations. Congratulations. It wasn't stiff. It wasn't stiff I had to put it. The jocularity.

And then we got Shane Lowry, who goes from one Don to win in the entire thing with one incredible hole in a great putt. This guy's standing on bars, drink. That's great. Look at this. I mean, and then they hit the downtown New York right next to the Brooklyn Bridge and take one of the coolest folks. that I've seen in tell some truths, a lot of truths in the middle of this thing. From Broadway to Bethpage, New York was built

on the backs of Europeans. And it's like, damn, this was planned out. They had all this, hey, we're gonna do this photo shoot. We're gonna go ahead and have all this. It's like they had a mindset that they were going in here to win for the fifth time ever that Europe has gone to America in one. You know, the four stripes on their jersey

was to, or on their poloes was to indicate the four other times that they've won away. But it's like they had a plan. They seem to be team. and they had so much moxie and they showed that while they're playing while they're putting and now in their celebration I can't help but respect it.

Honestly, AJ, I can't help I respect it. Yeah, I respect it. I mean, it's a true like this, they're a team. We talk about all the time on this show like you can't really measure what puts like a great team and you, we've both spoken, hey, the best teams I've ever been on, the guys, we were the closest. We hung out off the field all the time.

That's what you get like when you you get that feeling when you watch these guys, especially when you watch them celebrating all their little side comments back and forth during the presser. These guys, they feel like they've all grown up together and that they're all best friends. And there's a reason that they play well together and they win.

I mean, that was ridiculous. Yeah, you took the thing for a stroll, and then fist pumped to the crowd. Think about making puts in front of that crowd. And then they were just locked in. But I think it's because, to AJ's point that we were kind of talking about them being a team, they've been on like a group text for like two years, these guys.

Like they're like, they're real family. It feels like their wives and girlfriends, all friends. it's like, they're a real team that came in here and kicked our ass for the better part of two and a half days throughout the Rotter Cup. BA, we know you're a big time golfer.

Obviously, big team guy. And just like all of us would like to see United States win anytime we're taking on him. Come on. On that note, what was your thoughts while watching Roder Cup? And I think we need a, you know, like right now in the soccer team,

they're going through this with Ponch, trying to find our style of team for soccer. Like, Ponch is not necessarily just going with who's been on a national team. He's trying to find dogs to kind of fit in with our stars, trying to change a culture and mentality more so to be American. That American team, Foxy's

biggest takeaway whenever we looked at the roster was we had no moxie. We got no swagger, no moxie. Is that gone from our entire United States American golf, or do we need to maybe pick and choose our team a little bit better so we have a little bit more, like if Keegan Bradley's playing,

we have more moxie. Do you think they need to think about that? Oh, totally. I was hoping Keegan would play, you know, because he is that guy. He's that fiery guy, and he respect the position too much, you know, of being the captain. But hell, we couldn't make

a four-footer for a par. Yeah, that was embarrassing. I mean, on our greens? For America? On our grass! On our grass! Come on, bro. They're supposed to be fast for us. They couldn't miss. They made everything they looked at, and we couldn't make a four-footer for a par to tie. Can't have it. No. Not on our grass. I didn't even think about that. That's our grass

out there. Well, that's what they said. We weren't expecting it to be as slow as it was. I mean, it's just, you know, and Kagan said, you know, of course, mismanagement was a big part of it. But it's like, they care. Our guys, you know, they care after the fact when you get embarrassed. But you could come in, like, these guys, that's what they said. Like, we already mentioned it after they won in Rome.

Like, we're going to Bethpage in two years and we're going to win there. Like, guys like Scotty Schaeffler, like, that's the other thing. He's the number one in the world. And he maybe isn't built for this format, but like, he can't go one in four. He just can't. A lot of talk about the crowd there being obnoxious. an embarrassment to the United States of America and all that type of stuff.

Long Island football. Yeah, we'd like to say the location and also the outcome early. Don't love that it's reality, but I felt like that was reality, especially we're getting smacked. Yeah. The United States of America was just getting smacked. Trying to do the celebrations, the non-organic

chance and stuff. Those videos are embarrassing for America. Agreed. And for our fans, it really is. They couldn't even figure it out. And then the throwing, like, there are certainly things that I don't like at all. But, like, the chirping, you're going into Long Island. And then America's just going to get bopped in the face. It's like, I think there's going to be some intoxicated people there on Long Island that are potentially going to.

It's a bunch of, it's, they go, 10,000 bruce is out there just getting smacked around by the European. Pump full of whiskey. Waking up at 4.30 a.m. with the national anthem playing at 5 a.m. Yeah. It's like, I think there's a potential chance that some people are going to act. Not great. And I don't love that. okay and we'll get better for the next time hopefully hopefully kind of an expected outcome but

also we can't loot we get our asses kicked i think that only ignites it even more but then there was a conversation had in the office earlier did you hear this corner i think you were sitting right there i'm not sure when golf now that golf is getting brought up after the rider cup yeah no thanks your ears kind of go off yeah they turn off well it wasn't really about golf it's more so about i heard just adult males yeah i heard okay let's go to hammer dot One half of the hammer. Cowboys AP 10. What was your take on it all?

I heard you had a take on it all about the celebrations from the boys and the reaction from the boys and how the crowd acted as a whole. You said something this morning that I don't think I ever expected somebody's moth to say, but it was certainly a topic of conversation immediately after it came out of your mouth. Would you like to reiterate what you said this morning? I don't know if I'd love to reiterate it. It was kind of a broad statement, and it didn't include you or debuts or AJ or coach.

But I said, in general, maybe the Europeans are cooler than the U.S. guys. You know, that's just... When I think about it, every European that I've ever met, I'd much rather hang out with them than me. I like it. I immediately wanted to fight tone.

I almost kicked him out of the company just one of the tone was almost fired today AJ that almost happened it came out of his mouth three feet away from my ear and it was almost an immediate I don't want to work with this guy ever again I don't want to see his face ever again

and there are some points that were being brought up and then some states and some maybe generations and some demographics being brought up and then some videos were even being displayed and it's like whoa whoa whoa whoa we can't be thinking like this this cannot even be a conversation right now

We need to let everybody know America's cool Yeah Yeah We're cool Yeah Yeah Europe has a lot of songs That they drink and they have a good time

There's live music in every single place And they all got a personality it seems like We got Nashville Yes we do People forget about that I will say this This is bullshit Okay

This is your fault Whatever it is Hold on it is It's always my fault Always is Very dramatic there yeah Well, no, I was every area of my life. Okay.

Hey, I still, brother. Yeah, we understand what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. We understand what you're saying. I think if you live in the U.S., you shouldn't be allowed to play on the European team. And there'd be like two guys on that team. Well, I do appreciate what Rourge said.

It's the best country in the world. He did say. Yeah, but he was just sweet in us. Bate the, yeah, exactly. That was just a pure bait. The real issue here is that if you take away all the cool accents, you take away the names, the jerseys and everything, the clubs, all the gimmicks.

If you mute the videos, you would just hope that the team that was Europe was America. You would think in your head, that's how the American team should be acting. Fleetwood's got cool hair. Shane Larry's got a great how to describe it.

Bag of Leaves, body, like there are so many things. He was a little wobble body. He's lost a lot of weight. Exactly. America's dream. I mean, that is based on you in America's all. all about right now. So the fact that that is coupled with the fact that all those

videos, they are unmuted, okay? You get to hear how cool those accents are. You get to hear Rory and I don't know if you're the Donald Trump one. They also got Trump as well. It was awesome. Trump posted on his social media. Very funny video. Good

jab from the Europeans. Like, they got Moxie, they're funny, they got cool accent. I can't do this anymore, actually. Why? It's starting to This is what happened to me. I'm not watching golf until the next Ryder Cup. Fuck it. I don't think that should be the next thing you watch.

If anything's going to like this, ain't a half. Shoot, you're right. I'm not watching the Rotter Cup anymore. It's only majors from here on out. Okay, I like that. You're going to miss out on some good USA chance. Maybe, maybe, because you know what else happened this weekend? Amazing college ball all day Saturday.

Amazing NFL football from 9.30 a.m. until midnight on Sunday. Riter Cup, who? You know, why not? Friday's going to be tough to get through, I think. Everybody on Earth is talking about Friday. Friday of Iraq. No doubt. Yeah. Friday was a long day. Friday was tough. And we just

got it obliterate. Yeah, they put their theoretical pipes down our theoretical throats. Jeez. Well said. Talking about smoking pipes. It's not, don't do that. Old school, yeah. You know how they do it in Europe.

Also cooler than in America. They use the pipes. I think they smoke six to over here. Yeah, just call them that other name. And we don't do that here. Which? Which? Well, that's up Europe. That's what I don't like. That's what I was like. I actually became more of a Rory fan after the Ryder Cup on our home soil because, yeah, you can say Euros are cool.

Who's cooler? It was never a conversation with who's tougher. And they were the more mentally tough team. I would never say that. Hostile environment. Rory making the put, F you, F you, F you, like all that shit, like seeing Shane, seeing all the Boy, Justin Rose, first of all, telling G-boat, hey, fuck out of the way. Making a put, that whole back and forth there, and him walking in the part from, like, all that, like, that shows, like, mental toughness.

You're going to a hostile environment playing football and say, all right, it's just us against them. And that's, that was their thing. So for me to come out of this and seeing Rory and the European team as a whole as the more mentally tough team, that's... So they're mentally tougher, they're cooler. AJ, how do we feel about the state of America right now all of a sudden with what tone just brought up? I don't like, he almost got fired. And then a lot of points were thrown in my face. Yeah, I think we need to start, I mean,

hopefully they started a couple days ago. I already getting the Ryder Cup team situated for the next, what, two years from now? Where are we playing Ireland? Is that right? Oh, no. We better figure it out. We better start recruiting some super soldiers to become our next golfers.

I don't want to be that guy. I think there's a chance, me and you specifically. Maybe we don't the Irish flag. No, no. Maybe we're doing that. Let's just think about it for a second hour. We're not doing that. Where did golf start?

Ireland, Scotland? Scotland, yeah, Scotland. Whatever. Let's do it, man. I know. And to the point of their tweet, you know, with the photo about New York and Europeans and everything like that. They might be right. You do 23 a meter or any of those things.

They steal your genetics, I think, and who knows where that's happening. But then you find out where you're from. And it's like, that area over there, a lot of history over here. And that needs to stop being. made, okay? U.S. doesn't lose on American grass ever again. Never. We need people to go over there, and we need to one-up

Sunday's Dublin game and have the most U.S. people going over to Europe for the Ryder Cup since the war times. We have a few fact checks for McQuade. I think... He's spot on, right? He was spot on with everyone. What were some of the stats

that McQaeda had for the Dublin NFL game? If you could definitely get to the T.J. Watt one, that'd be good, because we did get some. Yeah, the T.J. Watt one was, if you remember after T.J. Watt kind of baited Carson Wentzen to throwing it over the middle of there, he got his big paws up and got

an interception. He actually ran over to the Hogan stand and punted one into the crowd, and it was an ode to Gaelic football. Okay, so certainly possible. We asked T.J. And T.J.'s Stans looked pretty far. I want to see if I can make a pun over there.

So it might have been tribute to Gaelic football. Might have also been TJ just seeing if he could bomb a ball real quick. What was the other one, the most amount of people since wartime? Yeah, well, there are 74,000 fans at the game in Dublin Lodz. That is the biggest movement of U.S. souls over to Europe since the wartime. Since World War II, obviously. And then obviously we found out maybe the Olympics had a couple, double, triple. Yeah, quite a bit more, actually.

So that one was on McQaeda. But outside of the Olympics. Outside of the Olympics, a massive movement, maybe the biggest sense. war times if you exclude like a couple big events that were overseas but the other big one and he he said listen NFL came into my ear someone one of my producers they said 22 jerseys in the in the crowd right now McQuaid get it out there get it out there let's say it say it so he wasn't going to take ownership for that and he did you know mention to debuts point hey you know there may have been a couple of houston oilers jerseys out there maybe a couple earl campbell jerseys and you know things of that

nature maybe like a steve mcnair jersey as well so that one was correct that one was correct and And then he just had to reiterate the touchdown to D.K. Metcalf, the longest touchdown in Ireland-slash-UK.K. Game history. That was for just ordinary touchdowns, passing play, maybe running play, if you will. That discounts anything special team. Like a 96-yard. Like a 96-yard punt return or kickoff return, obviously. So, you know, it got lost in translation, lads. Yeah, you're right. I forgot about that. Yeah, exactly. Ireland, America. Yeah, exactly. Ireland-clad, not ironclad. McQuaid was effusive in his. his praise for us for not really killing him because he said, listen, Lads, I gave you five stats and four of them were wrong. Okay, I just completely made him up, Lads.

Someone told him to me before the game. I was excited about the Ireland game, about football coming to the island. I fucked up, hand up, on me. Still love you, Lads. Okay, we still love him too. And we appreciate him selling it. The island game seemingly was a big success. B.A., what are your thoughts on the international expansion

and what are your thoughts on a Minnesota Vikings Pittsburgh Steelers game? Pittsburgh Steelers go all in this year. You think they can win a Super Bowl? And for the Minnesota Vikings, the Carson Wentz experience was awesome. If you could just tell me about Sunday morning for you and your thoughts on it all. Yeah, I thought the Steelers look really good. And obviously, getting the ball to D.K. Meck has helps. And that is Steeler Country.

Ireland is Stealer Country. Ambassador Rooney kind of set that up a couple of years back when he was the ambassador over there and got college football to go over there. I think it's fantastic. I don't want to see a team over there. None of the... No. I don't want to see any kind of... kind of expansion over the, because somebody's going to get screwed in that travel.

Yep. There ain't no be open dates coming back, and that's hard. That's hard on players. It's hard on everybody. I don't know. Are they still talking about the team over there? The conversation shifted almost like a division might be over there, where there's like multiple teams over there.

Somebody still got to go over there to play them. Yeah, I think the way, yeah, exactly. I agree completely. There's going to have to be away games. But allegedly, they were going to play all their games over there, and then they were going to have a home base. That was like one of the, yes. That was one of the last conversations they were going to have.

So you're going to have to build four headquarters in Europe and then four headquarters in America for these teams. And they'll play nine straight away games in America, I guess. And then maybe some of them will be from Europe. So some games will be a home game. That's 17 straight away games, basically. Logistically, that makes no sense. And is there enough players?

Is there enough good players? No. We have enough tackles now. tackles quarterbacks, you name it. Is there enough players to add four more teams? I don't know. The international team is always a good conversation because we understand what the NFL wants,

which is total global dominance. And it's good for football affairs, total global dominance. But I think just games and festivals are a good way to spread it. The logistics, remember Concord. Yeah. The Concord flight, Jim Ursey told us this rest in peace legend.

He was the most unfiltered owner that would tell us what was going on in those one per club meetings and what the future was to look like. I think they thought that Concord plane was going to be the key to having a team in London because they're supposed to be like a three-hour flighter. From New York to London, yeah. It was like a three-hour flight. It was a super jet or whatever.

Yep, supersonic. Super Sonic jet. They thought that was going to be the connector. I assume they weren't the only business. I assume business, business thought that. I assume finance thought that. And then I think that thing blew up, right? And then...

One of them did, yeah. But now they're trying to bring it back and they said, like 2030 is like the expected date of when, like the new version of the Concord's going to be here. Because if they make that a three-hour flight, I think then there's going to be a lot of conversation about, like, we need that. How do you have to training camp and off-season, though? Does a team work, do you, are you there for camp? Are you there for your off-season? I think you would have to have your headquarter. You'd probably be at home because the amount of players you've got to work out.

It's like working out players, too. Like, how do you sign players during the season? Yeah. It would have to be the home base back in America would have to make that decision. And then, oh, yeah, home-based back in America is about to be your full-time home-based, too. so you have to build two full that would be a lot you'd almost need a dedicated staff for like the united states portion and the international portion the international games are awesome though they are i mean they're a lot of fun i mean i've been a part of a few of them broadcasting and

and coaching no no luck winning but it was uh other than a munich game but uh Blake Bortle's punted a ball right in the stands against us he had a hell of a game but i think Ireland showed up in a big way we appreciate them doing and shout to McQaeda, just gassing some numbers up. Exactly. Speaking about gassing numbers up, are we in the middle of baseball right now? Yes. Okay, baseball is really happening.

We're on ESPN 2 right now because on ESPN, there's an actual baseball game. Correct. Yeah, playoffs have started today. The wild card starts today. Tigers and Guardians are currently playing right now on ESPN. We have the Padres at the Cubs at 3 p.m. on ABC. Red Sox at the Yankees tonight at 6, and then the nightcap is the Reds at the Dodger.

at nine. These, so best of three series, and they're going to play for the next three days consecutively. All these games, kind of weird in the wild card round, are at the team with the better record. They're all at their place. So, like, the Red Sox play all three in New York at Yankee Stadium. Reds had to travel cross-country.

They play all three in L.A. against the Dodgers, then obviously the same for the Padres and the Tigers. But if you haven't been invested at all, like now's the time to start watching baseball. Tigers are up one zip right now. Huge. inning is it, Bruce?

Third inning. Okay, so we've got four more hours of that game. No, no. Not anymore. Not anymore. Fast. No, everything's fast. Everything's fast. And Tigers have Terek Scoobel on the mound, who's one of the best pitchers in the majors. Maybe the

A.L. Cy Young, like any time guys like that are pitching, the games typically go a little bit quicker. Okay, Jerry Jones did some conversation about how long the games were, actually. He did a weekly hit. And he chit chatted about how these games need to maintain in a three-hour win window. It's very important to try to attain a three-hour window. Now, I immediately said Jerry's lost his fastball because when it gets overtime, there's no time frame for that. We want more of the electricity. You know, like good business is to have more electricity. And then Debutt immediately counterpointed. He said, if this is a one o'clock game, though, and you got Bengals versus whoever. Anybody? And then you've got Eagles versus Rams waiting on deck.

at four o'clock, and then you have to stick around this overtime game for whatever reason because it goes on forever and ever, and you miss that. That's certainly terrible. But when it's primetime game, okay, Sunday night football, and we get to 40-40, this thing is, this is now this is electrifying. I don't think we need to worry about three-hour windows. But I do appreciate that all the other games, other than the primetime ones, we're worried about how long these games are. B.A. said in the first hour, AJ, that it was his fault, basically, for the 10-minute overtime. Is that what you said? Yes. I was saying, we played Seattle. We had 106 snaps. These guys were exhausted. We can't, we can't be doing this. This can't be a forever overtime thing.

Do you want a 10-minute clock on it? Yes, I. Yes, I do. He said B.A. B.A. said that, I am in for that. Then gets the Micah Parsons return to Jerry World. Now we got a 40-40 tie in the biggest game, the most hyped game of the year, and everybody hates it. He put out an eight-yard line start for each offense on either side and kind of handle it like it's a shootout, back and forth. Obviously, one team goes. If they score, the next team goes, they score, we carry on to the next one. The team that won second goes first, then the team that went first goes second,

and then you just kind of continue on. What are your thoughts on where we're at with the tie conversation? And if you digested completely what the perfect answer is, if you could write the rule right now, what are you doing, AJ? If I could write the rule right now, I would write some form what B.A. was saying. What do you say? Eight yard line and you guys are on both sides of the ball. So yeah, like Travis Hunter, he may be jogging back

and forth a little bit. You might have to do that every once in a while, but it would go very fast. It would limit the amount of plays that these guys would have, so it wouldn't be crazy, extra 40 plays on the players most likely. In the game, it will be quick, and we would find a decisive winner, and it wouldn't be, I like your golden boot situation

too, but some people would say, hey, let the, you know, let's do 11 on 11, let these guys, I want to see D.K. Metcalfe in the game, not a kicker. so I guess they would have okay it sound like you would say that and I agree I agree yeah I understand yeah people saying

classic situation there we do that a lot on this show somebody did say it I assume at some point pick six would be a winner guess it can't be on the field huh they would have to be kind of cool though

get off get off get off get off 22 on 22 though oh yeah they turn around and then office has to block those dog fight football Yeah, it is dogfight football What if they both get pick sixes?

Oh, same time Yeah No, no, because That'd be dog fight football, though Pick six, it's over Big six over But we got 22 guys on the field On the other side in my eyes

I've just learned we got to take that We can't have you on the field Sure Well, because especially in Travis Hunter's situation Their play ends Snap offsides Yeah, because he is Boom, right?

Yeah, yeah, the clock starts right away That's not a bad play TechO, I'm throwing this in the end zone either way. So everybody's on a sideline, I guess, if you're not potentially up. But they better hustle. They got... They got to be ready. Oh, what if they're just around the end zone that they're going into?

Like the other offense and defense, like line the outside of the end zone. Oh, so the other guys are out there. It's like a joint practice goal line period or something. Yeah, too gimmicky. I'll tell you, we do need something, though. Some form of a shoot-up. What does the NFL not have that other sports that aren't as entertaining have? A shootout.

It's like you can have. have a shootout now. Like that is a and when do we get to it? When there's already been 70 minutes of football. This isn't like... Think about hockey. Like hockey and shootouts are awesome when it goes. When was that soccer? When was that soccer? Last year, we saw the U.S. in a shootout,

right? A couple of them. There's a tournament every weekend. I know that's the next World Cup, but we watched something happen recently three, six months ago. I don't know where the US was in a shootout. Dudes were standing on their head, the goalies. Yeah, so, yes, I remember that. It was with the backup goalie. Yeah. Gold cup. They were going after 90 minutes, too. They weren't doing the regular half-hour extra time in that tournament as well.

So I don't think we should do that. I don't think it should just be game straight into shoot-out. But if it's game, then over time, why not find out how we can do it at the end of it? Your fault. Oh, why not game straight in the shoot-out? Oh, no over time. I mean, yeah. Straight to eight-yard line.

Oh, shit. We got action. What was that? The NFL four-point play? Is that what was the eight-yard line? Do we remember what that was? I don't remember. Because you go for one, two, or three, I think, after a touchdown.

Going for one, was that like the two-yard line? Going for two was at like the five-yard line. And I think going for three was maybe the 10-yard line or something like that. Now, the X-FL is nothing like the NFL. Okay, I would like that. This is OG X-FEL. Like, he hate me X-F. No, this is you.

Yeah, this was new X-F. Oh, shit. Do they not do that in the old one, too? I don't think there was three-point conversions in the old one. No, just in the new UXFFU. Oh, yeah. you watch it's still going on

no I did it somewhere did you watch they're bleeding like a stuck pig they gotta figure something out they're losing a lot of money and then their quarterbacks what did a holdout yeah it's like you guys

it's been publicly stated you guys lost 40 million dollars I want 20 million dollars other other do you watch the UXFL they ever asked you coach in that thing no the UXFL

you did combine them I guess they did and they should not have got the X out no they turned that into the UFL you should have kept the The X was really the cool thing. It was really the only thing. The dream.

Is it still happening? The U.X.F.L. We got Jake Bates out of the winner, right? Jake Bates legend. We got a couple of Ders. Yeah, Kavante Turpin, yep, yeah. Kickoff ideas as a whole. Pooking to Koo is brothers in the UFC now.

What? What's that? Is he really? No, he just, no, he punched a fan that one time. I was joking. Fun, but he could be. It was a good. It was a swift hook.

It was destroying. broke his back slash net during that game that was scary as hell I did not like that at all there's stars in the UXFL and we're happy we're happy that spring ball exists

and there's more opportunities and everything that was terrible to watch though yeah that was that was a tough brand of football to watch you almost watched the crowd like in D.C. when they were drinking

beers yeah yeah so maybe it'll catch on maybe B.A. should coach a team oh there he go do you want to head down to Burmanham NFL Europe where we allocate players

put those young quarterbacks put those young tackles out there and let them play in the spring against each other and get better quality and then bring them back to camp. That's what we did with the NFL Europe. Maybe you do NFL Europe. They're trying to get a thing in there. Maybe you re-institute NFL Europe. Then get some of the local guys to maybe play.

Like Vinatari and a local Amsterdam guy were kickers. So a guy from Amsterdam was a kicker, and then Vinny was also a kicker. So there's two kickers on the team. He was soccer player star, beloved over there. Vinny just trying to make his way on the Amsterdam admirals. a lot of stars came through NFL Europe and I think now it would be a good time to launch that now that Europe's kind of getting into it

especially get some OGs. Didn't Tom Brady playing football? He is. Yeah. Gronks back out there too, right? Yeah. Well, I think AJ, have you seen Rushmore on X? Did you watch it yet? I've been watching the clips. I want to watch it though. It looks awesome. Dude, it's very good. It is they get in some real shit in there. What did you say? I don't know

if these guys are boozing or what, but they are wide open. That sold it for me. Yeah, they are. Well, it's not just Tom and Peyton, who are wide-ass open in this. Shaq and Reggie, wide-ass open. Elon and the other guy, I mean, you're talking this is the most authentic I've seen any of these people.

Costas and Al Michaels is an awesome episode too. Sitting on a couch next to each other. Yeah. Like this. Just sharing stories from the last hundred years of sports, basically. It is available now at Rushmore on X. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. Go through the Rushmore of receivers

of football throughout the history of the NFL. obviously you can catch the clips on any of the platform full episode available on X we're thankful to be a part of it shout to Ari and Ben coming through earlier today we have an interview with them we're going to roll it tomorrow it's a good time to be alive we'll be back tomorrow be a friend to have something nice it might change your life goodbye okay I didn't do the digital toss there but I did toss on Rushmore and X AJ we really did this shit now like this show this Rushmore and X it's the first time we've really gotten the opportunity to do this you know a lot of other sports production companies get called for everything And I'm not going to say, like, we're friends with some of the good ones. There are some ass ones out there who have never made anything. And somehow they're like an authority just strictly because they can accomplish the task. Like, we can do that for you. And then they do it and it's ass every single.

Like that is the sports media where somebody has an idea. They pitch it. We've heard a couple different guys now come on the show and be like, we want to be the home for sports content. I think Glenn Powell literally just did it yesterday with his studio. box uh barn barn stormer he's like we want to be the home of sports meeting and i assume glen powell have people around him that will be able to create good content but there's a lot of people that have these hubs or production companies that i don't think they've made a single fucking good thing and somehow they're still able to fundraise and they're still able to get deals and all this shit so i talk shit

on these people pretty good like pretty loud you know pretty pretty pretty loud i i uh two people I say, this guy makes ass. Why would I ever, why would I ever do something with that? So this show got shot, audio, and you'll hear some audio glyps through the entire thing we tried to fix. The shot's not really our thing. The booking all R.E., like everything was basically done, and they had a couple episodes made, and Ari was like, what do you think about this? And I said, where's this going? And he said, it's going to live on X, which is a huge deal for us, because we use X a lot. So them investing in shows on X is a good thing. But the people that edited it clearly have never been on X in their life. Like never have used the thing.

So I watched it and I said, I think this is shite, to be honest. But this is really good booking. Like the episode was like an hour in like 20 minutes or something. Like I was like, this is not, I don't know what you guys think you're doing. Like on X, this is just, I don't know what you, because he's friends with Elon. So he's like, why don't you edit it? And I was like, okay. and they just started sending us files.

Literally just started sending us files just a couple months ago. So then we talk, Bailey, dirty, D-Bone, Foxy, myself, I guess you could include me in that thing. We go to work on this thing and we start creating these shows and all of a sudden we're watching them,

we're like, this is really fucking good show. These are really, really, really good shows. And then all of a sudden we become the production company for this. So this is our first time getting a chance to do this. The guest lineup is absurd. Oh, yeah. It's breaking down, I think,

some real maybe walls on what X is going to try to become too because X is trying to get into the content game. They're trying to do some YouTube. X is trying to be everything. We want to be YouTube. We want to be X. We want to be Instagram. We want to be this. So them, you know, getting this deal for X exclusivity and then us being a part of it, we're very lucky and we think it's a good show. I think it's a very, very good show. I wish we would have rolled out a couple episodes, but that decision was made before I was allowed to speak. So next Tuesday, another episode coming. That's incredible. is what you need to know, AJ.

It's... It's easier. Yeah, the lineup is fucking outrageous, AJ. What's the additional content available on YouTube, via the Graham and TikTok? Those are all the clips. So we're going to clip on all the other platforms. Full episode available only on X,

exclusivity on X. So YouTube is up and running. And once again, this show had zero handle. No, nothing. Nothing. No. Of course. I would have that.

That's kind of important for it to be. to carry it where it's carrying. I mean, Ari and Ben just got X accounts. Yeah. You know, like the host of the show, just the people that were editing it, I don't think had ever been on, it was, it was honor to be a part, because Ben and Ari, I don't even think they knew this while they're doing it, they created a show that nobody else on earth could create.

Like, Ari's relationships through business throughout all these years has ties with all these people that are the top of their industries. It's like he gets them to open up. It is, it's a very good show. We're lucky to be a part of it. I do wish we'd have another episode to follow up on. Yeah, for sure. Tomorrow.

But, you know. Any name you don't know on there. Their story's unbelievable and you're going to want to know their name too. Like just looking at that list, I forget those names, but then I think of the episodes that they're in. It's like, oh, yeah. That guy invented, insert, coolest shit you've ever made. Moguls, all moguls, really. You got a lot of mogul talk in here.

There's a lot of business conversation in here. lot of debate there's stories there's insights there's history of things that i could have never fathomed wanting to know about and then all of a sudden i'm learning like this is a pretty good fucking show i nobody wanted to say it to or you know because rie is r right but like telling them like hey this is a pretty good fucking show you put together here what you think so you think it's okay it's like yes i do think it we watch every single episode as a group and we were all captivated and i would say we're pretty harsh critics so yeah it's a pretty good show Yeah, I'd say.

Congrats to them on a great show. Oh, yeah, boys. And what if this is another avenue we get a chance to do? What if we get an opportunity to do some more shows? That'd be sweet. Would be cool. Watching talk go through it was awesome. I'd ask him a question.

He's got the indend on his head. Yeah, because he has one headphone on for this, and then he has an air pod in this year. So he's like a DJ with it off his one ear, but then in this year it's not free conversation. It's AirPod in here so he can hear something else. And then, yeah, the indent on his head from his headphones. And then he's always sitting at his computer.

So I'll ask him a question about something or like, I don't think that's the right color. You look up with the side like a cock eye. What? It's been a lot of fun, man. It's exactly what it is. It's been a lot of fun to kind of go through this. A lot of work, though.

I mean, a lot of... He did a great job. Yeah, it's a lot of work. A lot of hours of shit and a lot of guests. And we've got to make them all look good. That's Taco. And Ben. That is not Taco.

What do you mean? It's talk. Yeah, but Taco. Taco. All right, let's get to a break. It's B.A. Day. It's not Taco Tuesday. Excuse me.

LeBron invented that. I'm not trying to step on a toes. There was a run there of LeBron creating everything. And, boy, that was bad for his image, I think. It was. But I don't think he knew that everybody was trying to attack. I think he was just trying to have a good time. I love the Taco Tuesday.

You tell me he didn't invent Taco Tuesday? don't tell me that barbershop conversations potentially as well what do you mean like as a whole i think people of barbershops did not talk yeah that had never happened before they did that show yeah you walk into a barber shop yeah and then you throw that key out yeah shut the fuck up and then brown was like yeah we should talk in here and then it kind of launched it i love that guy man pretty good Did you see how young he looks at camp right now? Look out. It ain't his last year. He's wearing Lakers stuff too, a lot of question marks.

We'll see halfway through. What do you mean? AD's wearing goggles. Yeah, exactly. And I'm wondering if the Lakers collapsed in a last year contract with one last ride on his mind, if LeBron decides, why don't you send me down to Dallas so I can play with my guys AD and Kyrie. Could you imagine, Nico? Exactly.

That guy. What if they make a winner? They're a pretty good spot. How's Coop? Have we seen anything out of him? So I'm dapping up Michael Jordan, and guess what? What? He had a goatee.

He ain't 18 anymore. His kid's going places in the league. The main event's got a goatee? That's right. It took a cool picture, too. It all the number one picks him, A.D. and Kyrie. I thought that was pretty cool. Okay.

Is that guy 45 or 18? I can't tell. What do you think Michael Jordan is saying? I would have cooked you fucking four-way. Yeah. All right. Ben She's like, duke's shit. That's probably what he's there.

A little fuck dude. But I do got a question of going back a few minutes. The barbershop talk. How is it in the white guys' barbershop? You guys have the same type of banter? Or is that like a two-American situation? To be honest, I'm not 100% sure. I don't spend a lot of time in white guys barbershops.

Never really have. Okay. So not really my thing. I believe in a good fade. Salon, potentially as Young Buck, because when mom gets hair dyed. I'll get my cut just at the same time Very good time

Not a bad time I was a little boy Salon's a good time I was a little boy You know mom getting the hair Bleached dime Get a lollipop Yeah you get to hang out there

They're having interest comes Male White Barbershops I'm not herps It's pretty lively It's pretty lively It depends where you go

But it's pretty You know It depends on which one Some of them have more of a younger vibe Some have more of like old people Old Stoge vibe They don't talk much What's playing in there

Bad Bunny Sometimes Depends which one you're at. Is it English or Spanish? What is it? Bob Bon? Yeah, is he going to do, is he going to sing in English at the Super Bowl?

Don't you worry about Shambia? Oh! Went through his catalog. Unbelievable sounding music. It sounds great. It is just kind of, we got to view it as a techno song. Yeah.

And the words are just another sound. Boom. That's okay. Exactly. That's a great, yeah, techno. I'm a huge lyrics guy. I would like to hear the story being told. Okay, I would like to hear that.

When I listen to music, I enjoy the story being told. I enjoy the lyrics. But for a Super Bowl halftime, I guess I'm just going to have to view it as all sounds. That's a great instrument, whatever that is. That's like in the back. And then the show, too, he's going to put on a phenomenal. And maybe that is a difference because I'm not a huge lyric. It's probably five songs I know every lyric, too.

I do have friends that know every, like, a fucking beat walking, beat jukebox. I have to respect the story before I can respect the song. Me. So I talk about this. I don't even know the story. What's that? I usually don't even know the story or what the lyrics are saying.

To be honest, everyone, everyone digested a different. Yeah, true. So on that note, I actually had this theory about why people hate me so bad because they just hear the sound. they're not listening to the words that I'm saying. So it's like some people listen to music just for the sounds, and then some people listen for the lyrics

that are happening. So I think there's a lot of people that hate the way my music is, it sounds. And I'm like, what I'm saying is making sense, I don't fucking hear your words. It's like, okay. Now I'm learning AJ. This guy hasn't heard a thing I've said. Seven years.

I'm saying a song. You can't have unbelievable, like unbelievable lyrics is just a poem. But you need to put some great, beat to that to where I can follow along a little bit of energy so like I like it's a mixture of both but I need a good beat for me to get invested in the song

so I need clever lyrics or good lyrics or I'm not supporting that guy that is like it obviously has to be a banger as well but I can't be having fucking the grass is blue you know just bullshit lyrics. It's on the beat

I can't do it I mean now granted do Duhas. Duhas. Duhasmish. He's foreign language, you have nothing, and there's terrible lyrics to that. I'll get after. So this is just techno music is how we have to view Babbonny.

Yeah. He's a DJ coming out there. That's how we got our simple non-Spanish-speaking minds for American football's biggest game. We just have to utilize the lyrics and sounds. This is what we got to view it. It's Calvin Harris, Tiesto, Bob Bunny. But to your point, like, people. People also didn't like it because of like the change that was going on.

And there's a lot of like, this guy's acting like this for three hours. Like you're like this 24-7 and no one really knows that. So it's like those people, it's a lot of assumptions and bullshit. Yeah, but it's hard. For them, I understand where you're coming from. I'm with me all the time. It's fucking a nightmare. Let's get to a break.

On the other side, we'll break down every storyline that we haven't talked about yet. And obviously, B.A.'s got to tell us something magical about something that happened in the past. Here we go, Bruce. I feel like we learn about football history would be here. You know why? Because this fucker was in the book. Yeah. Everywhere. Hey, you remember like Bear Bryant? Yeah.

You need to watch the documentary on a guy that created What do I need? The Wishbone. Yeah. A friend of mine created a wishbone. You need to fucking watch a documentary about it. So we'll learn more about and we'll cover everything that needs to be chatted about, including there has been a flex to a game. Thank God. So we like that. Good. Great move.

Huh? Thanksgiving? No. That's coming. Don't work. No, like a really shitty. The Saints Pats game, week six, don't. Week six, the 49ers and bucks will go to 425. Okay. Instead of the Patriots and Saints. Good move.

Yeah, I mean, we like when they do this. We gotta like, when networks do this, we gotta be happy about it. Executives, I think, are sometimes scared to pull the trigger because they wanna piss off ownership or fan bases or maybe ruffle any feathers at all. Just kinda, let's go through a season. The flex is a weapon.

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That's 47-year head coach, football coach, Bruce Ariens. This is A.J. Hawk, the talks at tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Good luck to all the baseball teams today. Thank you. Thank you. You came in wearing like a full uniform today. Pretty much had to. This is go time.

This is go time. When you watch 162 regular. season games, give or take, like, it fucking matters. It really matters to me. Connor just said that you and me both, brother, when he talks about watching 162 games. It's been a long season, a lot of ups and a lot of downs. Yeah, I mean, big time. You know, there were a point where I didn't think they were going to make the playoffs.

You know, after going to the World Series last year, you know, it's just really fun. And it's nice when, like, we don't have football the next couple days, you know, to have something to be, like, incredibly invested in on, like, a Tuesday or a Wednesday. It's awesome. somebody joining us from the baseball world. Bruce, who's joining us? Somebody's joining us? Yeah, he's in...

It's tomorrow, sir. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Swarbo is joining us tomorrow. Sorry. Let's go! This is a big deal. So I am very excited about it. Swarbo is hilarious.

Imagine, brother. You're a baseball guy? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Baseball is probably by the best sport. You? Okay, so you were a pitcher? No, as a catcher. Oh. Did you see what Count Raleigh?

did this year. Oh, maybe. Unbelievable. He deserves the MVP, doesn't he? Yes, indeed. Yeah, because he was a catcher and he's also hits from both sides of the plate. He had more home runs. This guy's part of everything. I mean, maybe one of the greatest seasons of all time, whenever it's all so far for a catcher. Yeah. Thank you for that designation, coach.

For a catcher. Certainly. Certainly. We don't have to do this like Eric Judge led the MLB, not just the AL, the MLB in basically every statistical category, except for home runs. But don't worry, he had 53 of those, too. So, you know, I know Cal Raleigh hit, you know, eight homers more than Judge.

You're right. Let's give me the MVP. Let's do it. It wasn't just that. He's sitting on both sides of the plate. He's hit on both sides of the plate. He's doing it all. He's catching every day.

He's squat and stand and he's on every single pitch. He's in every day. Both my knees replaced. Because the guy was catching. Kyle Raleigh's leading the leagues. Wow. I get it. I get it.

He's very important player. Very important player. Seattle doesn't get where, you know, they get without a guy like Cal Rale. so and you know what if he nah I'm not going to say that never mind never mind I'm not going to say how many AIVs does a judge have

he has two currently got robbed one Altuvei one when that little motherfucker was cheating when he had the exoskeleton on that Jeff Bassin said that was proven to not be true he didn't have the exoskeleton not but he cheated for like three fucking years so they were doing what other people were doing just at a larger larger much larger extent yeah exactly

no one no teams had any problems with what all the other teams are doing like the Apple Watch like, hey, let's do this kind of stuff. And then those guys had to be jackasses and take it 100, you know, 100 steps over the limit, which is fine. It's fine. They won a World Series. It worked.

But, no, Judge should have, I mean, he should be winning his fourth MVP. Fourth or fifth one here this year. But there's a chance from what I've been told, maybe because of how good Cowellie season was and what he did for the Seattle Mariners, maybe he wins it because, you know, you might not have a destiny-like year like this year for Cowellie ever again.

And that's okay, because guess what? In the grand scheme of things, like winning the MVP matters to me. Judge, don't give a fuck. He wants a ring. That's what I want. So if he doesn't win the MVP and the Yankees go win the World Series, like, who gives a shit? I don't know what this tweet is from Ben Verlander,

but I'm excited to read it live on air for the first time. MLB attendance and viewership numbers from 2025 are in, and the growth is insane. Okay, baseball. Wow. Way up across every platform. Fox says baseball up 9%. Fox Sports 1 says 10%.

ESPN says up 21%. TBS, 29%. 29% MLB Network 13%. I don't know what that one is. And then MLB TV plus 34%. What is NHK? I have no idea. Is that North Korea?

It better not be. I think so. Although I have heard that Kim Jong-moon throws fucking heat. Like gas. Well, then he also has a knuckleball. Yes. And he has a curve and a slider. Yeah.

He has everything you can potentially need. He does. I think he has like the, well, I don't think. I know he has the fact. The fastest recorded pitch ever, 274 miles an hour. It is not North Korea. It is actually Japan. Okay, so it's Japan, which is obviously makes sense because the amount of Japanese talent in the MLB right now,

obviously, it meant Shohei Otani leading the way with it all. We're very lucky for that. And then third straight year of attendance growth for the first time since 2007, 71.4 million fans. I don't know how that number comes together. Social media, most viewed season, it was 17.8 billion views. Once again, I don't know what accounts those are coming from. do know, baseball is much more prevalent. Baseball stars showed up. So shout out for those stats

from Ben Verlander. Shout out to baseball, making some changes to the game and seeing some benefit, but also their stars showing up for in the biggest moments, which is why this wild card should be electrically. Yeah, that's the biggest thing. I mean, to even have this discussion, like, Cal Raleigh versus Judge, that's like two guys and then show, hey, obviously, Schwerber. Like, there are a handful of guys around the league where, like, the MLB simply can't afford for those guys to get hurt or not play or not play well. And all the those guys just continually, and it's been like the last couple years now, but when like the

spotlight has really been on and they're kind of trying to make a push a little bit, like, it seems like one of those guys is doing something special like every night. That's why we need. Paul Skeens and the Pirates to make some big money investments this offseason. Without a doubt, he should be pitching this time of year. Put him on a different team, for sure.

Without a doubt. Whoa! Got to. Hey, don't want the Reds knock out the, don't want the Reds knock the Dodgers out and get the star power out of the playoffs, but Reds are pretty sneaky out there. Okay, I'm happy to hear you're pulling for all the platforms to be done during the playoffs because Shohei Otani is the needle mover and the Dodgers, Kershaw's final ride here.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, there's a lot of storylines through the Dodgers. The Red's ruining that would be terrible for baseball. They've already said if it goes to three games, Shohei will probably start game three. As a pitcher? Yeah. Let's go, Red Legg. I love that.

What do you mean? You don't love that? well first and foremost i hope this thing doesn't go three because if it goes to a winner take all like reds are scrappy now scrappy ball team play small ball like they don't care about hitting homers i just i just don't i don't love show hey let him focus on hitting so what did you see this is you're a hater i'm not a hit i'm not a hit you got a baby roo jersey on yeah that's what babe that's what the big big oh did isn't that one i heard early on early on and then he just started hitting

because that fast-s-old bitch would call his shot and he'd hit a homer every time and that's what we needed him focusing on. We don't need you throwing fucking 92-mile-an-hour lollipops right down the middle for Shohay's going a hundred though. No, I know. Shoh hey's throwing a lot harder. I'm just saying he hasn't been otherworldly pitching this year. That's all I'm saying. I saw a couple

tweets from some people throughout the year saying this guy just won five innings, no hits. His last start was good. You know, five innings no, but I mean. Oh, so that was literally his last start I saw that from? His final start of the season. He threw five innings a shutout ball. AJ, they've never said I wasn't,

and what have you done for me lately, guy? They've never said that about me. I don't think that's accurate, but shout out to baseball, man. We're happy for baseball. Cincinnati Reds knocking out the Dodgers. Kirk Herbstree would be so happy. Is there a diehard contingency of Reds fans

that are feeling something special about this particular group of boys that are out on the diamond for the Cincinnati Reds, AJ? Yes, of course, and they are led by Kirk Herbstry. Tito Francona, we know the great men. manager at the Red Zab. This guy is invested. He is all in. So, yeah, imagine the Reds going on the road, three road games.

Maybe they don't even get to three. Maybe they just won the first two, and we call it a day. A lot of baseball chat here today. Tigers Guardians 1-1. Yeah, as of the last time I checked. Still 1-1. There we go. A bit of a pitcher's duel. Top of 6.

Top of 6 is a cagey affair. That's baseball. Hey, that's Wal-Corps baseball. Hell yeah. I want to see home runs and stuff, but that's Wall Corp. We were never going to get home runs from this early one. These next two games, that's where your opportunity, well, and the Dodgers, obviously. Those were going to be your, a lot of home run opportunities in those games. The Cubs have any chance here?

Yeah. We have some friends that are diehard Cubs. Sure. It's in Chicago. They're good. I mean, Padre's got a lot of power. Padre's bullpen. Very, very strong.

Cubs, maybe not so much. So if you're the Cubs, I think you're hoping it's maybe a bit of a slug fest. Cubs could absolutely win this series. Red Sox Yankees. then it comes down at us, one of the greatest rivalries in all of sports. I believe there is a rivalries Rushmore coming out here in a few

weeks. That's Bob Costas and Al Michaels chit-chatting about him. Yankees Red Sox obviously mentioned throughout the entirety of it. Boston team, you've really enjoyed this squad. Oh, yeah. Is Tony Tony Tony's still playing? Tony, Tony, unfortunately, got hurt. Terrible injury, but he was

still celebrating with the boys in the clubhouse once they clinched. That's Tony, Tony, baseball. I get what. boys are good though oh yeah i guess i mean you know i you guys know me i'm locked in 162 365 when it comes of baseball but yeah what it do bingo um but yeah i mean fuck fucking teddy williams the shades of teddy williams are going to be in new york city for boston did you not know who's jersey i completely blamed if i forgot if i grabbed the williams or the daman this morning i don't know i shouldn't have because i just said babe ruth and i was like oh fucking

April Ted Williams, old baseball guys. Us do. But no, I mean, I love the socks. It's just one of those teams in Boston where you like it when they're good and when they're not, you don't give a fuck. So guess what? We're good. And I care. And we got a pitcher tonight. And all these

judge stats are cool. It would be a real shame if old Aaron Judge laid another egg in the postseason to the Boston Red Sox. This might destroy judge's, you know, whole entire oh, fucking big dog guy. That whole thing, if Judge lays an egg

against the Red Sox in the first season, you better grab some fucking devil's reserve. He's going to need a lot of booze to do something like that. I'm just throwing that out there. And I know he's nervous. I know you're nervous that, Judge, maybe he does have some yips in the playoffs, and that might get real. It is.

It is. No, yeah. And if they do lose to the Red Sox and he doesn't play well, like it will be very, very loud. And the guy going tonight for the Red Sox is one of the best pitchers in baseball. But, you know, it's go time. It's go time. Guess what?

If you can't beat the Red Sox, you don't deserve to fucking win a world series. I'll tell you what, Connor, playoff baseball is sweet, tropical, and spicy, isn't it? Amen. You really fit that. Amen. I thought I saw something pop up on the screen. So I was like, oh, fucking, it's got to be this. It's got to be.

You know what I look at it. Yeah, yeah. I thought I saw the colors. But yeah, sweet, tropical, spicy. fucking greatest shit you've ever had. I actually had a bunch of Cuervo last night. It was wonderful, especially when

I can't find the... I can't find the tax brutes. I can't even get an ad up. Shit. Hey, I'll tell you what, you snuck it in pretty good, though. I mean, yeah. Well, the thing is, I'm not sneaking it because I fucking love it. More than

anything. This... More than anything? More than... You did say that. Yeah, you guys heard me. I was like, holy fuck, dude. You guys got this double reserves? Yeah. No, but for shoot, I do love this shit. You can go to your local liquor store or go to quervo.com to purchase your own bottle of mischief. But remember, must be 21 years old. Handover.

Again, I just hate that sentence, man. But remember, must be 21 years old and over. And please drink responsibly. But genuinely do love the devil's reserve. I am not a tequila guy. Never have been. Tried some of this and it was good. So I will dabble in the reserve.

Was it kind of... It's a little bit... Sweet. Sweet. It was devilishly good, boys. I mean, that's what... That's what it says, baby. Reserva.

Jose Cuervo, devil reserve. Man, you did so good. You did so good. It is good. I do like it, though. I mean, I suck at this shit. But I like this booze. I really do.

You are not great at this. That's why it's a good time. For all of us, for you to be the one that I... I have fun, too. Especially when Bruce sends me sentences like, but remember, must be 21 years old and over and please drink responsibly. I went back to the drawing board on that one and it's stumped me too. I don't even know how to. I don't know how to say 21 or over.

Yeah. Yeah, must be 21 or over. That's the, there it is. What are we talking about? We found it. Great work. Holy shit. We split the ad of.

So it must be 21 or older. Now it's registering with me that that that's a thing. 21 plus over I knew that I knew that I knew that I knew that again I'm one of those

like hey if there's a prompter in front of me I'm gonna fucking read it you know I this is this is what they shut it down on then I mean you know they shut it down yeah what do they do that

all right let's go over to hammer bad time town college football is bat at thousand talk about ratings being up for baseball

college football is the same exact thing, has been all year. Did you have a sweet, tropical spicy take on college football, or how should we be viewing how the college football season is going right now? I always have a sweet, tropical spicy taste on college football, Pat. Oh, that's like Devils Reserve. God, I love a devil's. Me and Connor polished off a whole bottle last night. Tony, don't tell everybody about that. Where was it?

Was it with your daughter, or where were you guys out? No, I went downtown. Oh, nice. You're joining downtown boys for a bottle of sweet tropical spicy. Listen, when you have a double header that good, you can't miss out. And he's not talking about the game. He's talking two of those. The devil's reserve.

Yeah. Two bottles of them. Which, yeah. We drank the other one. We would not recommend drinking two bottles of those. No, especially with those people. Maybe we're having that one, too. Drink responsibly.

Did you guys have that one in there? Did you find that? No, I think it says must drink, responsible. I mean, you got to. 21 or older, too, is crazy. Yeah, I know. It's piecing that together. Yeah, to get you.

It will get you. AJ, you never have any of this? Oh, yeah, it's beautiful. Sweet, spicy, goes down, smooth. Tropical. Tropical? Tropical, yeah. All right, let's, you know what, it's not tropical?

Everywhere in college football, but the University of Miami Hurricanes. That is a resort down there. They're still rolling. They've got a huge one this weekend. What should we be chatting about in the college football world tone? Let's start with this past weekend. Just a case to anybody missed it, we start in Happy Valley State College, where you wear for game day. Penn State was down 17 to 3 in this game, and then they stormed this fourth quarter comeback to make it 17, 17.

They score first in overtime, obviously, and then, you know, Oregon tops that to take it to a second overtime. And, you know, unfortunately, that's where things turn Penn State, Penn State. That's just kind of what they do. Oregon gets an easy touchdown on their first play in the second overtime. And then obviously Drew Aller throws the interception in the second overtime on their possession to it. To Tiananmen, who was transferred from Purdue, the huge transfer. Yes, he is. Don't forget it, D. But, so that was a huge one, obviously, in Happy Valley.

And then the other big one of the day was we went down to Georgia, where they were, on a 33 game, home winning streak between the hedges. And Alabama came out early and often. They scored 24 points in the first half, and that was all they needed. That's Caden Proctor, their left tackle, getting the wide receiver screen right there. Tell you what, it is not DeBover,

and especially when DeBoer wears that black hoodie. He is undefeated wearing the black hoodie. I don't understand why he doesn't wear the black hoodie every single game. Just something to think about. Yeah, it should be a big night with that. What you say, Con? What's that? This is the best play.

I mean, Kata Proctor is the man. Yeah, Coach Ariens, how come they're not giving him the ball every time, B.A.? Why don't we just give the ball to him every play? Definitely down on the five-yard line, for sure, man. He looked like a wide receiver spinning in there. He looked like. Who did you feed Vita Vaya, right? Oh, yeah.

Vita cut a touchdown, yeah. Whenever you're drawing a place with these, these guys get excited about this. Oh, God, yeah. I said, Vita, just work on a good dance because it's going to be a touchdown. I got to see a good dance. And he froze on me. He got excited to come running off and said, where's the dance, brother? Oh, not anymore.

He got it all. Yeah, they got it out right now, a lot of aura. The big guys, though, that lifts the morality, entire team. Oh, yeah. Legitimately. Yeah. And we'd always holler, Vita, go on. He'd come screaming down, you know, defensive line.

They'd stop practice watching, oh, he's going to get a pass this week. That's amazing. Anytime we did fake punts or something like, or fake field goals, fake field goals, always throw it to a fat guy, okay, even if the ball is definitely going to a tight end in game. There's always going to be some tackle releasing downfield or somebody dragging behind, and it's a huge guy.

In practice, we're running this fake. Never throw it to the tight end. Never throw it to anybody. You get it to the fattest guy on the field every single time. And the reaction from the entire building, anytime one of the big guys gets a ball is electrifying. When they were practicing that with Proctor, I assumed the building was electrifying

whenever they were going through. it. And I think this Alabama team, AJ, hey, hey, started out the worst they could have possibly started. Now they're rolling. And I like that they're doing this with Procter, AJ. It's awesome what they're doing with Proctor, but I think they, you know, they just need to do this a few more times, get some more victories, some blowouts to

to have that like that Alabama, that aura, that mystique about them, that the Patriots had for so long in the NFL that Alabama had for so long under Nick Saban. I think they can kind of regain that a little bit. They lost it early in the season, but I can get that A lot of question marks for what the future was going to be down there in Alabama. It feels like the future for us going down there for them taking on Vandy. Isn't that crazy?

We're going to Alabama Vandy this weekend. That's an incredibly large compliment to Diego and everybody at Vandy, but also like they've earned it every step of the way. This Vanderbilt team is fun, and they're the team that everybody's going to look at during this NIL transfer portal air and say, hey, you can change the entire culture of your university overnight. Have you watched much of Diego play? He is special, special. He's a personal against Virginia Tech and scored 34 unanswered in the second half. And now I guess he's trying to get a seventh year.

They're going to give it to him too, I assume. They should. They're going to give it to him to him now. They should. He's a hell of a football player now. A lot of moxie. Yeah. Oh, tough.

And they got a big, strong offensive and defensive line. They did a great. They built their trenches in the right way. You talk about him being tough. I saw a video he did maybe with, on three, I forget who it was. It was a TikTok or a real. And build the perfect quarterback.

And it was like, who's they're asking him, it was like a rap fire. And they're like football IQ or something like that. And I think he said, Peyton or something like that. And then he said like mindset, and he said Tom. And he said, uh, athletic ability or he was like Lamar or

something like that. And then he said, toughness. He said me. And then the next one. He won. And then it was like arm strength or something. He said Vic. Like he, put together like the perfect one but when it was toughness he like he was very proud that i am a tough motherfucker and i was like i love this guy more and more the more i hear him talk and it takes that type of guy underappreciated undervalued to go to a place and have enough fucking confidence in himself and damn near arrogance you have to have yeah that you can take on and be something

that your school has never been before what a match made in heaven down there for vandy i'm so pumped that we're going to a vandy game actually because i wish it would have been in nashville because I don't, first of all, I love Nashville. It's great. Love Nashville. I do love Nashville. But also, these schools that don't get game day a lot, you know, and we feel honored that game game means something.

That is very cool that I'm a part of something where that actually means something. But whenever we go to a place that doesn't happen, it is fucking outrageous. So now that it's a vandy game, I still think it's special because it's not normal, but going down to Bama here with Kaelin DeBore, Sabin on set, should be an electrifying weekend. And that's what might be kind of sweet is Bama is one of those places you want. Wood's slot as like, hey, they've won so much, don't really care about game day. Because of the Vandy, Bama, Sabin debacle last year, like, all of a sudden, Vandy's coming in like, well, we're going to beat Bama.

And Bama's also looking at it as, hey, we kind of have to get Sabin's back. They, a little bit dunked on them after they beat us last year. Not just a little bit. Yeah, a lot of it. There's a lot of dunking on Sabin's head from the Vandy people who've not won as many games as he's won national championship. So that was a wild time, but he certainly are. all right, I stepped in it this time.

That's a rat poison. I did it. You know, he's awesome on TV, but I like that we're going down there in tone. What else should we be thinking about whenever we look ahead to this weekend, Tone Diggs? Well, yeah, that is a big one. And the cool part is of the SEC this year

is they played the exact same schedule that they played last year, but just the Holman Wayar flipped. So this game last year was after Bama beat Georgia with the Ryan Williams spin move or whatever, Bama becomes a number one team in the nation and loses to Vandy. So there's a lot of implications this year.

Same as that situation, except for Bama's at home and they're looking for revenge. So that's interesting. The other big game, not as big as it would have been if Florida State didn't lose on Friday night in Virginia in that awesome game. But Miami going to Florida State, another test for Miami early in this season. Obviously, they've played Notre Dame already. They've played Florida already. So another one going to Florida State. Miami versus Florida State is the other top 25 versus top 25 game of this weekend.

Okay, I'm going to ask you, D-Bud. Yep. Florida State, Miami guys, a lot of commonalities there, right? Yeah. That is like the Florida has Florida boys, of course, but Florida State Miami normally similar recruiting processes. That is the rivalry for especially South Florida kids, Florida fans.

When UM is UM, you always look forward to that Florida State game. Florida Gators, when they're good, obviously that's a thing too, but this is the rivalry regardless of what the records are. Wish Florida State would have handle business. this last week and won that game to make this an even bigger deal. But their offense showed up. I think it's still going to be a good game. I can't

wait to see it. But yeah, this is the one, especially when you're talking about, hey, the U is back, the mystique, the swag, the ORA, all that shit. It's about what's your record, just like at Ohio State, what's your record against Michigan? At these different schools, as a Seminole or Hurricane, what is your record against the out?

Okay, and that's ACC football down there. Yeah, this is old Big East football too. Oh, yes. I mean, these guys has been going back for a long time. And like I said, the kids all know each other. They got recruited together. And it's a big game for Carson Beck. He's been playing really, really well on his little redemption tour.

And I can't wait to watch this one. How do you feel about the transfer in quarterback? It's worked. Yeah. It has worked basically everywhere. Cross the porch. Will Howard wins the national championship. Riley Leonard was in the national championship finals.

Obviously Diego, transfers in transforms. Vanderbilt entirely everywhere, kind of basically hire an assassin. Dante Moore. Danty Moore, Dylan Gabriel, before that. Mateer at Oklahoma, they brought in the O.C. It feels like this is how you, I know you're

a part of the Virginia Tech hiring process. But it feels like a quick way to win is get a very good quarterback and maybe the coordinator as well. There's no doubt about it. I think it's hurting quarterbacks, but it's really helping college football. I mean, to get over the hump quickly, go get a quarterback, get the coordinator with him,

And all of a sudden, you're playing in the championship. Horton quarterbacks, though, because? They're not developing. They're not staying in the same offenses. I don't think they're getting better prepared for the National Football League. You know, talking to Tom and Peyton about the same thing. They weren't the same guys in college for the whole time. And you learn that way.

You get better that way. Bouncing around, you make a lot of money now. Yes, yes. Totally different. It's not about, I can make as much money now than my first two years in the NFL. So I'm all for it. Good for the game. Does it sacrifice future talent?

You know, that is, what's good for now is it good for later? Development for sure, right? That's kind of, it's like being proven damn near right now, just with quarterbacks, especially, like Danny Dimes right here even. Peyton and Tomby had good development is happening. Mac Jones took like four years to develop, and he was in like an NFL system with Sark down there in Alabama. Baker. Yeah, Baker Mayfield, I guess, took him a little bit, even though, you know, whenever he came into the NFL,

he had success. True. Yeah, I forget about that. the end of the year. He had success with a touchdown record. He broke the touchdown record? It'd be like they'd be like a top two to three favorite. What happened?

What happened? With their defense, H. With the Cleveland Brown's defense and just Baker Mayfield playing anywhere near where he's playing with Judy? Oh, my God. And then the running back situation just like. Yeah. You want a playoff game for the Cleveland Brown.

Against. The Steelers. And he has that demeanor, too, that would go, like, the Browns fans, like, with how Baker is and how he plays and how he puts his body on the line. Like, it makes perfect sense. He lived in the stadium. They unlocked beer when he won the game. He shot-guned beers at numerous Guardians games, I think.

Send them to London. That's who we're sending to London to be the trial run for a team over there. Cleveland. And their home base can be Cleveland still. But get the fuck out. This sucks, too. The Jets and Brown should combine teams and go to London.

The Jets, I don't know if they're ever going to win like that. I was watching that game, and I was like, Michigan won a national championship like this. Michigan just was able to be more dominant than you. We don't have to throw the ball. We're just going to run it. I don't know if that's going to work in the NFL. Like, I don't know.

That was interesting last. What was that messaging, you think, last night? What is the, what is it? What do you mean? They're trying whatever they can to win a game, I guess. But what, they turn the ball with three fumbles as well. I mean, I guess that's the one positive you could take. Hey, we fumbled the ball three times.

We only lost by six points. So that maybe it's a moral victory. And 15 penalties. Tall. Ten of them pre-snap. Tall. Oh, no. Seeds.

A lot of sins. Can't do that to yourself. It's just beating Jets, baby. Is that ever going to stop? Aaron. Yeah, I think Aaron's going to put, he's going to put some discipline in the program. I really like Aaron Glenn. I think his personality, he hasn't had a chance to really build this thing yet.

I think next year they're going to be a totally different organization. To play devil's advocate with the way he is. He's pretty intense guy. They're saying, you know, the media was on the other side of the locker room. They could hear him just motherfucking the team for 20 minutes after the game. Ten pre-snap penalties. Ten pre-snap penalties, you know, all that stuff. He said that was the first thing he said, hey, we're going to clean up the penalties.

That is not going to be the way we play football. Inside that locker room, let's say this continues. they go 0 and 8 and you've got a guy just riding your ass nonstop i mean is there i'm not talking mutiny but when do guys start saying like fuck this guy patricia bingo eric mangini bingo uh there's been a couple other situations where this was seemingly the storyline mangeny in cleveland you were coaching in pittsburgh at that time okay so we're in indianapolis and uh i think i was a rookie and i was hearing from other people in our locker and what they were hearing from their college teammates what was going on cleveland i think they were doing

6 a.m. Oklahoma's the rookies. I was hearing the same thing. That was going throughout the league. That wasn't just to you. We all heard. I had a teammate. Yeah, everybody was hearing about that. Me as punter, gassing it up so much. Like, boys, I would be there. I'd be there right on the sideline. Let you know, like, let's get after it, boys.

Everybody had the same reaction. Fuck that. Thank God. I'm not in Cleveland. I couldn't even imagine what the Brown's players were thinking as it was going through. If you win, it's good. It's a crazy story. I was supposed to go in for the interview on Saturday. To be the head coach.

He heard Eric on Thursday, I think. Oh, so you, so we had Baker. Yep. Potentially had BA. He'd go on a way, Sir Bull as a head coach, obviously, in that entire thing. Cleveland's made a lot of decisions. You know, they certainly made a lot of decisions. But if Mangini would have won when he was doing Oklahoma drills at 6 a.m.,

everybody would have bought in. If the Lions would have won when Matt Patricia was doing whatever Matt Patricia was doing, everybody would have bought in. But whenever you don't have success, The locker room immediately goes, so this sucks worse than everybody else and we're not winning? I don't fucking think so. Bill O'Brien.

There's another instance right there. Like, this sucks. We're not doing this. But if you have success, you've got to almost be like win immediately. Does that worry you with AG or no? No. With his personality, no, not at all.

No, he's a corner, man. He forgets that shit quick. But he's not going on. I don't think they'll mutiny on him at all, even if they're 0 and 8. because you just want to see it get better and better and better clean the shit up and it'll go back to Peyton's 3 and 13 year

you know we weren't but we got better each week in practice and the guys never quit and say hey we're getting better you know and the next year we're 13 and 3 and the players got to take ownership too like it's not him fumbling the ball it's not him jumping off sides or false starting and shit like you can look at each other and say hey it's us now we hate players only meetings

but like you got to police your own you know your own locker room what he's preaching I'm sure he's preaching all the right shit. He played in the difference between a lot of the coach's name. Like, he played in the league for a long time. And then he went kind of the long route to get to this job. He was a scout. He was a coordinator.

He was a coach. He's been around other good coaches. He's been around. It was terrible. What was your record first year? O&10, we started. Started O&10 in Detroit, but you stuck to it. And a lot of that started from the ownership level.

Ownership level came in us. Hey, this is our guy. We got his back. This is how we're going to do things. It's got to be the same way with the Jets. Now, before that. In our lifetime, Detroit hadn't done anything right. And it's the same kind of story with the Jets.

Now, will they start to do things right from the top down? We'll see. Let's talk about the other guy that left the lines, Ben Johnson. He might be hitting here. Yeah. His team might be kind of fun. Now, this would be considered early, I think, in a culture shift. By week five, kind of everybody bought in, maybe even by week four, it was already bought in.

That's when, like, his speech in the locker room afterwards, very intense, but everybody, yes, sir. Everybody, yes, sir. It's like, holy shit, this guy might have flipped this group into being what he envisions them to be. And obviously, they can only get better. That's like an exact conversation point that we're having right now. It feels like Ben Johnson's got Chicago buying in to what he's been pitching. And everybody says he's a hard-ass, accountability-driven guy.

It's like, kudos to Caleb for buying in. Kudos to the defense for buying. Like, congrats to everybody seemingly buying in and it working out for them. maybe this is a whole new era. The Ben Johnson era is one that brings success to Chicago, AJ. Yeah, I mean, I think anytime you bring in a coach that's drastically different from the guy you had before, there's going to be like a little bit of an adjustment period for the team. And Ben Johnson, like, I think players know, and it's like a corny thing. But if you think, like, even if your coach yells all day, every day and he's crazy and he does this,

if you feel like he cares about you and he, like, truly cares about you as a human, like in each player feels that way, I think you'll do anything for him, especially if you can win some games and you see like, oh, okay, he's not just yelling at me to yell. I mean, he's put me in good position to make plays. And when I step out of that, that's when I make mistakes. Whatever, if I do what he's kind of guiding me through, I'll be all right. And I think now they have some hope early. And they did not have any hope. They didn't have hope, what, three weeks ago?

People were pretty upset. I didn't have hope that Kay, I thought the Caleb experience was going to be a bad one. I thought it was going to a couple different teams and then maybe finding his shit down the road, which I was bummed. thought about. I want to let you know because generational conversation was happening whenever he was coming out of USC. And I thought, man, this ain't going to work. This is what they talked about last year with his recollection of the defense

and what they were trying to put on. And then what Ben Johnson was trying to put on his plate and then how it was looking and the conversations that were taking place. And it's like, well, does Ben have the power in that room or does Caleb have the power in that room? We'll see what the future looks like. Now it's like, wait a minute. Ben Johnson is the right guy to get the most out of

Caleb. And maybe that was this personality type that Caleb needed or at least at this point in his life needs to become the best quarterback he can be. Because if Caleb can get that ball right there is insane. That is an insane throw right there. That's a second window down in between linebacker, corner, and safety on a line. It's like that's a filthy throw. That is just a disgusting ball.

Do we think Caleb is starting to come into maybe realizing, understanding what offense he's running, what the defense is doing, and do we think there's still potential massive upside for Caleb with Ben Johnson? Oh, I don't think there's any doubt about that. I mean, the guy is so talented. And you go back to that first one, he completed 10 in a row. He's taking his checkdowns. He's doing everything.

Take the Superman cape off. Just leave it on the bench. Just go play quarterback. All right, we don't need no superman's out here. And I think Ben's going to do that for him. And he's done it. Look at Jerry Golf's career. Just took off with that.

I think Caleb can do that same thing. I hope so. And they've got players around him, too, now. I gave up hope, Dibut. I gave up hope on, Caleb. I know you did. I mean, I'm the talent. The Q shit.

All the shit, I'm like, man, he's falling in love with everything that isn't football right now. Investment funds, the whole thing. And that matters. It does matter. Personality, leadership, in the locker room, all that shit definitely matters. When he has the talent, I said it earlier, I forgot, talking about Sean McVeigh, like, in the national football league, you have to kind of lead with intellect. Like, we got to know you're putting us, you're putting me in a better position, especially if you're a guy like Caleb Williams, who was five-star recruit, number one pick, all these things, has had all the answers up. to this point. You got to be able to swallow

your ego and say, okay, this guy's going to put me in a good position. You got to have that energy. You've got to be able to communicate. It looks like Ben Johnson kind of has all those things. And then B.A. would know this better than I would. But the staff, he has around him, too, on the defensive side of the ball. You got a former head coach of Dennis Allen. You got Al Harris on that staff, who was a great player in the

league for a long time. A lot of people thought he should have probably been the defensive coordinator in Dallas before he left there to come to Chicago. And they've kind of been kind of makeshifting that secondary and putting pieces that they didn't expect coming into the season to play big role. So, I think they're doing a good job. And the intensity factor that we get from Ben Joss.

I didn't know this when he was a coordinator of Detroit. You never see the coordinator speak and talk as much now. You got to set that tone not only in the locker room, but when you're doing things outside the locker room, press conferences, meetings, all these different things. And it looks like the boys are buying in. Yeah, this was a cool moment, I assume, for Ben, but also if you're a Bears fan,

I think when you watch this video, the boys are all bought in. Like, this is a moment where you can find out if the boys are bought in or not. The yes sir responses out of everything is go back to the beginning. Can we run this? What sound? That! That's how about that?

Yes, sir! Let me tell you something, man. That's a character win right there. Yes, sir. And it took all 60 minutes. Yes, sir. And you know what it took? It took belief.

Yes, sir. It took belief that we were going to find a way. Yes, sir. Because at the end of the day, gentlemen that was two teams that were desperate yes sir both teams I give them a lot of credit man but you know who wanted just a little bit more I got a few game balls I just see the two interceptions all right but you talk about big time tackle when we needed it let me get a little Kevin Byard that

Coach said it all the week. The book on this team is that if we get the game close, we was gonna lose. And what the fuck we do today? What's the culture with, fellas? We talk about changing the culture. That's how you do it, fellas. Let's go into this bi-week, man.

Get this gone, baby. Man, we wouldn't have won that game. Had we not gone four for four on field goals? Love this. Give this. Hiro! You know Cairo! Hey, hey, hey.

Like I said, early in the yearly, I'm inspired by all you guys. The best teammates, O-line, you know, come through every, it doesn't, it's not just me. Snaphold, H.T. All of us. That's right. Cast them up. Pass them up. Walk them off.

Little Cairo. All right, man. And you know, game. on the line when we needed it most when we needed it most we need someone to step up to the plate josh blackwood that's a great culture yeah that feels like they're bought in a jay a lookout nfc north there's a new powerhouse coming from the midway monster yeah i certainly don't love seeing that one bit i don't i mean i just especially like where the because in years past like the Bears losing that way, week one, to the Vikings, like, especially with a new coach and

Caleb and everything, like, you could see that thing just nosed diving, like, okay, that's, that's all they needed to kind of tip things over, and you look at where the Packers were at, week one and where they're at now, like, and even as, like, a Packers fan, just watching it, you said a lot of things about, you know, Ben Johnson or whatever, like, their offense does look different. Like, there'll be, like, five to six times a game, we'd be like, Jesus Christ, that was a great play. That does happen pretty often. So, yeah, as a Packers fan, don't love seeing that, but here we go.

What does Ben Johnson do as a play caller or play designer that has made him be the bell of the ball for the last three off seasons in the coaching carousel? He's had a hell of a group around him, you know, and my man Antoine Randallel, he handled some of a trick play stuff. He actually put one in that he ran back in when he was a steeler. We tossed him to the ball. He ran the shuffle pass back. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, with the lines. Yeah, the lines just ran. And so he listens.

He listens to his guys. he puts input, which when you listen and they see their plays again called, guys work harder. Coach, I got more shit for you. I got more shit for you. And he listens as he puts it all together extremely well. What type of, is there a style in which he calls

plays that makes him very good? Like some people are chess players, I guess, whenever they're calling plays. Is that Ben Johnson? He starts with the running game. He got a great play action game. He's got a great knack for when to throw the gadget. When do you throw the flea flicker? When do you throw the reverse? When do you do the

this gimmick shit, especially in Detroit, you know, when they start throwing the linemen and in the middle of the game, throwing a lateral on a short end, he pitches back to the other, that takes a lot of guts. It takes a lot of creativity, too. How about the, is it a feel thing? It's a total a feel thing.

Yeah, I think some guys have it, some don't. Some just are computers. Computer says, I do this. All right? Guys that Andy Reid, the people have been doing it for a long time, they have a feel for the game. Ben Johnson's fun to watch. That Bears team might be problematic, actually. Yeah, I have a question for you when it comes to these block kicks.

Yeah. Do you think we're going to see a ton more fakes now, both punts and field goals, just because they're so aggressive because there's so much success. Like now are they going to start trying, like, because some of these teams are blocking. I mean, the Eagles have like three block punts already. Yeah, there's been three games, I think, decided on block kicks, literally game-winning blocks. So Greg Olson spotlighted it on Sunday morning, which, once again, this is Greg Olson going into detail about something that's so minor,

but such a good piece of information for the people at home to have. So for field goal snaps, normally it's the holder opening his hand like this, okay? Can't move the hand forward, can't move the hand back, can't move it up, can't move it down, just has to keep it in an exact space, and you're allowed to open your hand, but you're not allowed to move forward or it's a, you're trying to draw most. It's the staff thing you're talking about. Bingo, yeah, you can't move at all. If I was to give cadence, which I did, blues, uh, with the hand, I would do that.

I wasn't allowed to move my helmet forward whenever I was doing it, Walt Anderson, that. I did get people to jump off sides, and I was very proud of it. Only could do it though because Venetary could handle it back there But you need to be going on two You need to be going on three You need to be going on one You need to switch that up If they have a jump on your operation

Like old buddy said that they had it on the long snapper Yeah on the Raiders long snapper They always move the ball just like an inch Right before he snapped So they're watching for all that Like even in warmups Other long snappers Or maybe us are watching the other long snapper

Some guys like move their fingers Like right before They like readjust their fingers All the guys are trying to get jump are looking for something like that whether it's the holder it's the snapper sometimes the kicker will even do something whether they put their hand down or they all got something they all got something that that gets a little bit of a tell so now they're going to have to go change that aren't it's like a

quarterback changing signals or trying to hey this is a word this is a fake or we're going on I'm going to open my hand three times like we're going to see a lot more of that one way it slows everybody down not just the edge it slows down the middle down too like when I when we would hard count at home that is for the offense alignment not to just get fucking steam because yeah soon as guys just go ears back, this thing's going, but, but, and it's off. They're not even trying to block the kick. They are just spearing the offense alignment.

So, like, not only does it slow down the outside guys, they can't get a jump on the edge, but also in the middle, it slows them down, too. So I think just switching up the cadence, which sounds so basic, but I think that's, I don't know, how do you slow people down? Isn't that how you slow people down? I think it's on the offensive. Same thing through that silent count with the center. You know, people nod, they spin, they double twister.

I mean, they got five snap counts. Peyton had five or six. Oh, yeah. And Saturday was great at it. You know, we're going to double twister. He'd twist the head both sides. But it makes everybody's life easier. The defensive line's going, I didn't see that one yet.

Like, Chuck, I get up. Oh, he could have one off sides. All right. At Cincinnati he done that one time, you know, maybe that rest would have slowed down last night. Yeah, talking about Ted Carris doing the head, and then they call it on him, actually, in the entirety of it all. But it's like, you just got to slow him down. somehow and but everybody's got to be on the same page and good you know it's like there's always

a conversation about Aaron Rogers is like hard counts and shit it's like is he doing too much for these young guys it's like no all these guys need to fucking figure it out this is it's not hard to count to three brother yeah but the sounds and the inflection I don't know how offense alignment don't budge with how big they are yeah and obviously some of those offense alignment are really good at like readjusting and moving not being the call but like de lineman being able to stunt and move and shade down and 360 pounders aren't allowed to even budge is insane and then for the lack of with the sound people moving i think we should applaud offense alignment for not fucking jumping off yeah more than they do it's like

they've actually gotten too good at holding their water and then jumping right before that we all think they're cheating it's like how about them not being allowed to fuck hey freeze literally you got you got beat of a six inches in front of your face too don't move what's he doing well he's a lot to actually get a little running start yeah he's going to start off the line actually and then he's going to come down perfect timing don't even think about thinking about moving your head because if you just boom right there he moved he did you fucking saw it got him first down and you're the biggest dupest of all the time I love that all the little intricacies of a little game but it does feel like special teams starting to take over

Let's stick with the Chicago Bears and wrap it up here. Ben Johnson and Aditi had a conversation coming out of halftime. This is how it went during the game. Your offense has struggled to take advantage of those takeaways. Okay, so what did you tell them to get things going? That it wasn't our brand of football. We're capable of a lot more. So we're hitting the reset button here at halftime.

We're going to come back and establish our identity here in the second half. You need to change what you're doing? I don't know. You think so? We're going to be just fine. And they end up being just fine. Yeah. That was his message. Aditi, I think she said that it was a question or a reiteration of what he was saying,

even though it might have sounded like, so you need to change what you're doing. And he said he didn't really, this was his response to it whenever he kicked off his press conference. And, you know, if you cared to address this, I know there's been some buzz about your halftime exchange. Can you relay how you interpreted that conversation? Yeah. You know, in the moment, I honestly, I didn't think too much of it. I'm kind of in game mode. But then when I look back at it, you know, I am a little bit disappointed with what that looks like.

You know, I didn't hear very well, and that's not an excuse, but when I thought I heard that not a question, but that I needed to make some changes, I didn't take that very well. So I'll do a better job with those going forward. Yeah, I don't like the way he was viewed. Adi's been around ball a long time. I assume she was not the one that was offended by the interaction. But those are tough moments to have an interview. You know, that is a, especially if your team is not playing well and you want them to play well, and if it's loud,

and you hear somebody that has not been at your practices or in your team meetings or know anything about your team. Not saying football, but just your team in general. So you need to make, it's like, yeah, can we do this after the game? Like, that is almost immediately the thought. Obviously, guys that have been around a long time are much more seasoned vets in those moments. But I appreciate Ben Johnson acknowledging it, but I didn't think he had to, AJ. I don't think you had to.

I mean, it's coming out of halftime or going into halftime doing an interview as a coach, I think is almost impossible. So, like, you have so many things on your mind. I can imagine now college coaches doing these interviews that the smart ones know in the back of their head, hey, I'm recruiting. Anytime I'm on camera, I'm recruiting these high school kids, these young kids watching me. Or these kids, I want from the transfer portal to come over. So that gives them, like, another reason where they can almost, you know, fake it easier, I guess, and make themselves, I don't know, just make it a little bit better. Anytime on camera, we're selling, we're selling.

And for Ben Johnson, he's on camera, he's trying to answer questions about his team. Let's go to a guy who had to do a lot of these. We feel like there's a couple timings of interviews that, what are we doing? Right before the game, they'll get players now as like, after introductions as game is like starting like 30 seconds away. They're talking to players now. that's a part of the new TV deal I guess and then the halftime conversations with coaches I feel like we really

never really get anything good out of that how did you handle those and what was your mindset as you're doing those let's get this shit over with quick okay exactly our point I'm not going to say anything I'm not going to tell you I mean thank God Laura Oakman

I was just ripping some of fish and I was probably red as a hornet and came over are you okay you okay she was worried about me I said no I'm good honey what do you what do you want to yeah you got to be able to compartmentalize I guess but on that note you got a lot going on a lot of jobs I mean there's a lot of things

on the line for every one of these games in the middle of the action just stopping and dropping out and going into the real world because there you're talking to the fans you're talking to the fans you're talking to everybody you're not talking to your team and you're in the middle of a game which is your team's moment it's interesting I know the NFL

wants more access, but I think some of these timing, I think the people should be able to opt in or out of them. Like, I think Ben Johnson should be like, nah, I don't really want to do this right now. Yeah, I hate it. I'm a fan, you know, just being a fan now, like, it's nothing, like, I don't want to hear from the coach. I don't want to hear from a player right before kickoff. Like, as a fan, it's not, it's not even that engaging or entertain. I understand we want to access.

And then, to B.A.'s point, like, all that adrenaline. Like, you are in the middle of out, and that game was dogfight. One point game came down to the last. play last kick so like too much adrenaline I can understand in that interaction how it kind of got lost in Trent you're in the middle of a stadium loud stadium and she was trying to say okay so you need to change something up he took it a different way and then I also understand why he addressed it too because as a head coach as a player first of all you're you

represent the organization we know how that organization specifically and so like you're that and then like you don't want to ever become a distraction so you just own it you say whatever you say to it and then you move on from so now nobody's asking him about that today or anything else of that. So I understand kind of the weight he has to bear as a head coach. But I think he handled it. Well, I think to your point,

Adidio, be fine. She's been in the fire. She's ball. She goes ball. Adelaidea. It's a difference. It's been down there. So I get it, but I hate the mid-game interviews. And also, now that we know Ben Johnson a little bit, think about what he just got done doing and saying in that locker room. Yeah. I told him

we're hitting a reset. He didn't just say, boys, we're going to hit a re-out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That is, that was allowed in very fucking intense re-traping. Yeah, fucking slamming his head. I assume there was a reset button that was imagined in the sky. And that thing was not tapped. No, I think

it was fucking, we are. Yeah, 100 fucking times. Then he comes out and Ndini, you need to make some fucking change. Oh, okay. Everybody has answers, huh? Okay. We'll be just that whole series of events, just thinking for Ben Johnson's angle, just like,

is this real? What you said? Is this a real? We'll be just fine. Thanks. Thanks. Happy I did the fucking... Roll it back.

It's like... Game mode, bro. That's like Luke Keeckley as a human versus game mode. It's just like two... There's like a switch that actually gets flipped for some people, most, almost all people. Now granted, the drastic change from one human to their competitive element of themselves

versus maybe like the most, like Luke Keeckley, I think was actually the most drastic. I think he's potentially Troy Palomano Brian Dawkins Oh Okay Troy said Reggie White

Minister Yeah there's I don't know Luke Luke Keekely glasses We're talking He's there too

He's there Did he put like 8-man football And then he went to BC Just like No he's from Cincinnati He put Okay so full 11

How you doing How you doing Very nice to see you Good to see you Yes do you want to go through some physicist shit like that is how it is

and then on the field full chaos who were some others there were there were Reggie White Troy Polymala Troy Troy oh my God unbelievable that was in between every play he was talking to the Lord

and then all of a sudden the ball gets snapped to ah yeah we're everywhere over the time the Tekeo Spikes Brian Dawkins story yeah Brian Dawkins was like when he turned to game time like didn't he have he was one with two lockers right I believe so yeah

him and they went for like X or whatever his other alter ego so yeah those guys that have like alter egos or like Josh Norman when he turned to Batman or whatever you know their gimmick is but yeah imagine them getting interviewed though like that's what I'm saying yeah in the middle of yeah we don't we don't like Ben Johnson might be that human yeah when he's coaching what he is verse when his eyes good building yeah remember place great really nice yeah okay let's get better I fucking hate this place. He's an intense, son of a bitch. Psycho.

Football, sicko. Yeah, psycho, sicko, sick fucker, whatever. He's a lunatic. A lot of success. Yeah, it's awesome. You see his pre-gay, smell us up? Oh, yeah. And we knew that.

Because it's bring your own smelling salts too, so he's not leaving that at home. No. No, of course. Did you read a smell insults guy? No, never. Come on, B.A. Coach. Not just one time?

No. I didn't need it, brother. I was already up there. Yeah, you're right, you're right. When did you get in, you got a, you're a consultant. It was the year after, it was the year whenever you weren't the head coach, but you were still there on golf cart at practice. And then you're on the sidelines during games,

and you almost fought somebody. In, New Orleans. I got banned from the sideline after that. I don't need any smelling salts, brother. I was a consultant. Marshon-Ladermore and me. What a good give and take, I assume. You're a good shit-talker.

Oh, yeah. I assume that was a matter. Take a lot of pride in it, too. As you should. Amen. As you should. Amen. Tone, did the public win or the sports books win this past weekend?

How do we sit against them? Sportsbooks. Once again, we saw the tweet again. One in four against the spread for the top five games. We did as a public win last night, though. Dolphins and Broncos were a good result for the public in both of those. I think it was 55 for the dolphins in 60. 67, 68 for the Broncos.

So we got back a little bit last night. All right. Well, congrats us. Why don't you come out here, Tone? Why don't you leave Hammer? Don, John. AJ, great. Hutt.

Hurt. You hear that? I got a pretty good one. That's pretty good. Thank you. That's from down here. You got to go deep, brother. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Who was the Hutt gut? Who was the Hutt gut? It's Wiley. Yeah. Bob Wiley. Wiles, yeah. You know Wiles.

Oh, yeah. How do you not know? Wow. Him on training camp, hard not. Hard knot. So good. Yeah. Hurt!

I think, there it is. Bingo. Do it again, my fault. Here we go. I'm not a quarterback, obviously you can tell. Stretch is way overrated. Did you know World War I, World War II, all those guys that are fought in that war?

Right? They did. Push-ups, jumping jacks, sit up to climb the war, and ran. but none of this fancy okay right and they won two world wars two world wars by doing jumping jacks push-ups and sit-ups two world wars you think they were worried when they're running across normandy about stretching are you kidding me said Shahit. Shahit!

Do it again. My fault. These creatures live within football facilities all around the country. These creatures, these football guys, this is literally what these people are.

I know 10 to 15 of them that have no idea about any world events, they have no fucking clue about what's going on on Earth right now. They are in a football facility watching football film trying to game the system so their team can win a game. And for that, we thank them.

A man that was one of those guys for 47 years, B.A. Thank you for another week. We appreciate you. DeBotch, great work. Toxic table, phenomenal job. In the back, great work, boys. Way to pull it all off, big day to day, huge day to day. To the Rushmore team, talk, Bill, dirty, bone, Fox.

congratulations boy huge launch hell yeah good work boys Elon Musk retweeted yeah congratulations gentlemen oh

that's gonna do it fucking awesome so we'll consider that as success no matter what happens the rest of the way no

and on that note it was a great fucking Rushmore on X yeah I did it we did it it's a great show

it's an unbelievable show I'm happy a lot of people are going to see it got another episode coming out next Tuesday we'll obviously put up more clips

and look for the Rushmore on X account on X to be rather active Should be a good time and a good follow. Just like tomorrow, we're going to have a great program. Schwabauter is coming on. Hell yeah.

Swarba's going to be. Baseball. AQ. Shepley's going to be here. Yeah, baseball. Football. Thank you. Oh, right. He lives close to Alex Bregman and Steven Kwan.

They're both playing in the playoffs. Yeah, so maybe he shows up wearing. He might, yeah. He might. Did he play baseball? I don't think so. I don't think so. He ate a bunch of them.

He could have. What position would you play? first base okay no AQ AQ be a catcher bro he's a son

he'd have that thing he wouldn't even wear one of this thing yeah yeah you're probably right

yeah he probably has an absolute cannon for an arm he does have an arm he would tell you at least yeah

he's a couple of those quotes out there he's a great athlete his dad massive Pittsburgh Pirates fan I assume he did not

follow suit because he saw the misery his father won through for a large portion of our lives hey Tony you're a pirate's fan

are the pirates going to get some hitters so that paul skeins can be fucking throwing during super duper wildcard day like what we have today where all the stars are performing no don't kelly's coming back though salty ball you look cool that that's good paul skeins took a long walk around family park when he came to visit i don't know if you guys saw that he does it everywhere he wants to know no no this one he went underneath the monster he went up the ladder in the monster and he went on the seats in the monster he baseball. That's a trifecta, baby. He saw where Gumpy was sitting when Gumpy was posting every night. There was a time there where Gumpy went to seven straight Boston Red Sox.

Yeah, that was the guy who actually watches 162. And he was in Indianapolis in between those games. So we're going to go check out Red Sox and then come back to Indianapolis and then their next homestand. When's that four day? I'm going to go sit on a monster again and come back and they did it again. He was really over there age. I experienced the green monster through gumpy one-week run of going to every game. Beautiful seats. You're literally. That's the best seat in sports. You're on top of the field. It's incredible.

It's baseball. Let's remember that. I'm just saying if any sport was played there on top of the field is awesome. Well, good luck to all the baseball, boys. And we appreciate baseball. Aside from that one seat for the Utah mammoth that hangs over the ice. That is the only one that might be better. How about them selling that seat as if it's? It's, ah, this is a shitty seat seat.

Let's go and sell these things. I got a ticket for $14 from Seek. Okay. Where am I sitting at? Oh, shit. What the fuck? I'm like a nightclub VIP booth over top of the ice. It should be $25,000 for that ticket a night.

I do think it was the first game. I don't think they had no idea. And then the second game, I think it did become a thing, if I do recall. But they redid their whole shit. Oh, yeah. Overnight. Yeah, smart. That's going to be, and the mammoth thing.

Wait until we see the mammoth statue. That's coming up here soon. You're right. Hockey. You follow hockey? Yeah. The boats had a run down there. Oh, had a great one, man.

My man. Stamco's? What's the name? Stommer? He's gone. Stammer's in Nashville. Oh, you're talking about the coach? Bazelski.

Oh, Basil. The goalie. Oh, yeah. You know your lightning, yeah. Oh, yeah. That was great. Of course. Who's the goalie down there?

Huge mid. Basiliski. No, the goalie. That's him. That's Vasily, baby. No, who's the guy that hit me? Is that team? Oh, Luongo.

Oh, yeah. Bobo Luongo. Bobo Luongo. He's got huge mitts. I mean, his hands are gigantic. He hit me on the shoulder blade and the tit somehow. That last Stanley Cup team, they were all big, boy. They were all like 6-1, 6-2, that was like 6-5.

I mean, that was a healthy team. I think they're pretty big boozers too. I think they had a good time down there. Good crew. They had a boat party. They had a boat party. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we started them.

And then you guys followed suit and said, hey, you know what? We're going to black out on these walls. as well. That's what's all about. Sports, baby. Be your friend, tell a friend something nice to my change your life. We're in this thing together. Bea, any final thoughts for the team here? Great day, better day next week. No risk it? No biscuit. Team on me, team on three. One, two, three. Dave. Goodbye.