The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1436 - TNF Preview, Shams Charania, In the Trenches with AQ Shipley, Everything DB with Darius Butler, Kirk Herbstreit, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

On today’s show, Pat is away on special assignment, as AJ Hawk and the boys are back in the ThunderDome as they cover the breaking news and scandal rocking the NBA that involves Trail Blazers Head Coach Chauncey Billups, former NBA player Damon Jones, the mafia, fixed poker games, and Miami Heat guard Terry Rozier and prop bet manipulation, before previewing tonight’s Thursday Night Football game between the Vikings and Chargers.. Joining the progrum to break all of that down and shed more light on the situation and what comes next is ESPN Senior NBA Insider, Shams Charania. Next, we wrap up week 7 of the NFL season as AQ Shipley gives his top five performing offensive lines of the week as we go In the Trenches, and Darius Butler breaks down the best and worst defensive back play of the week in Everything DB: Good D, Bad D. Later, the voice of college football, and color commentator for the NFL on Prime, Kirk Herbstreit joins the show to preview tonight’s Thursday Night Football game between the Vikings and Chargers, chat about his college football rankings going into week 9, and more. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Pat McAfee Show. I'm A.J. Hawks sitting in for Pat. He's on special assignment today, fellas. Toxic tables here. Tone Diggs is here. Everybody's here. Football! Everybody but Pat is here. I'm A.J. Hawkson in for Pat. Obviously, we have a huge football game tonight. Vikings taking on the Chargers. We know that's going to be a big one. Kirk Herb Street will be out there on the call with Al Michaels. We'll talk to Kirk later in the second hour, but I think everybody knows there's been an episode.

breaking news in the NBA, all kinds of stuff floating around the internet. We don't know exactly what's happening. Let's take it to Cash Patel. Here's a quick minute and 40 press coverage, I think, where he kind of describes exactly what might be going on. To announce a historic arrest across a wide-sweeping criminal enterprise that envelops both the NBA and La Casinostra. The men and women up here standing with me represent a small portion of the leadership team

that brought profound justice in an era that needed it more than any. I'll just highlight some of the details in the case in the FBI work, and then you'll hear from the others. But as you now know, individuals such as Chauncey Billups, Damon Jones, and Terry Rozier were taken into custody today, former current NBA players and coaches. What you don't know is that this is an illegal gambling operation and sports rigging operation that span the course of years. The FBI led a coordinated takedown across 11 states to arrest over 30. individuals today responsible for this case, which is very much ongoing. Not only did we crack into the fraud that these perpetrators committed on the grand stage of the NBA, but we also entered

and executed a system of justice against La Casanoosa, to include the Bonanno, Gambino, Genovesi, and Lucchese crime families. And you'll hear more about those details today. The charges and the arrest that were taken down across this country range from wire fraud, money laundering, extortion, robbery, illegal gambling. This FBI will leave no room for any perpetrator of crime across this country. You hear a lot about our work of defending the homeland and crushing violent crime. Well, this work is also representative of a colossal portion of the FBI's mandate to keep America safe and to keep our entertainment industry fair and secure. Yeah, there you have you here. FBI director Cash Patel kind of describing what has

going on with the different arrests and the allegations. And let's not make this guy wait any long. Mr. Shams, Sharania, please join us right now. Shams, how's it going, buddy? What is, I guess, what did we just hear there? Are we just scratching the surface? And what have you heard over the last hour, I guess? So this all started Jante Porter. There was a group of other co-conspirators. That was a while ago, I believe, last year. And ever since then, you know, there's been an ongoing investigation. So today, three notable arrests, were made. The first one, Chauncey Billups, the Portland Trailblazers head coach. He was just coaching in an NBA game last night in Portland against the Minnesota Timberles. He was arrested

at around 6 a.m. in Portland, Oregon. Terry Rozier, Miami Heat Guard, he was also arrested this morning at 6 a.m. And then Damon Jones also played in the NBA. It was an assistant coach in the NBA. He was arrested this morning at 6 a.m. Roseir was involved with charges around sports betting, pro-bets, giving information to conspirators. that were gambling on on games, hundreds of thousands of dollars allegedly. Chonson Billups was involved in allegedly

illegal poker games and cheating and rigging on those poker games as part of a mafia mob-tied affiliated situation. And Damon Jones is the one guy that was charged that had crossover

with both. Not only the sports gambling, sports betting, providing information insider information, as Cash Patel and the FBI essentially have called it to co-conspirators. And then he was also involved, allegedly, with the illegal poker games, cheating and rigging on those poker games with mafia ties. And so, obviously, this is seismic news around the NBA. Never have we seen an acting head coach be involved in a federal investigation and arrest like this.

An active NBA player, we saw Jonte Porter, arrested and charged with gambling, sports betting, prop betting, and his involvement in that. But another active player now, Terry Rozier involved in a similar case. He's obviously a much bigger-name player than John Tey Porter. Johnte Porter was on a two-way contract. Terry Rozier has been on multiple, you know, $40, $50, $90 million deals. Right now, he's making $26 million. So some bookkeeping here, Chauncey Billups, I'm told we'll be arraigned in Portland at 1 p.m. local time. Terry Rozier

will be arraigned in Orlando at 2.30 p.m. So, Chaunty Bill's 1 p.m. hour. In Portland, 2.30 p.m. hour for Terry Rozier in Orlando. And so this is a case of, in Terry

Rozier situation, it's insider trading is what they're alleging as they have with Jonte Porter. Previously. This is obviously colossal news. The one guy, AJ that we've spoken about on this show, it's come out, Malik Beasley, he's been a part of a federal investigation, he's part of an ongoing NBA investigation. He was not arrested today. His lawyer

told me he has not been cooperating with federal authorities on Chauncey Billups, on Terry Rozier, meaning he is not involved in this group, this investigation, whatever this investigation led to here, at least initially, 30 plus arrests. I'm told Malik Beasley is not involved in this situation. And so just some more bookings. keeping there, but we'll see how much more comes of this, right? Like, this started as a three, four, five person group. It's now morphed into over 40. It has mob affiliation, mafia affiliation, and will there be more?

Right now, there's over 30 today. It feels like you would assume there might be more. I mean, listen to Cash Patel in his press conference, but this is, but it's two different forms of illegal activity, right? I guess there's the point shaving, possibly allegedly, whatever you're doing to to manipulate a game what players do, but then also the illegal poker games where what you're putting,

they said there's x-ray machines, there's hidden cameras, there's things where they can read, there are whole cards that are faced down. So who'd you say is the crossover there? And are these, like, how connected are these things? Damon Jones is the one guy that's charged in both cases. Damon Jones involved allegedly in the illegal sports,

or, yeah, the illegal sports gambling, providing information. Essentially the way that Cash Patel, the FBI have framed it, is insider trading, insider information being given out. There was one alleged situation where Damon Jones let co-conspirators and others here gambling involved in an improper way that LeBron James was going to be sitting in a game against Milwaukee. And then obviously gamblers and betters can then go bet on Milwaukee in that instance. So that's just one alleged situation that has been brought up in these indictments. These indictments are dozens and dozens of pages long, still going through them. And there are mentions of Chauncey Billups involved in at least one similar situation.

But his biggest charge was the illegal poker, you know, essentially cheating, wringing the poker games. In a bunch of different states, right? Shams, wasn't it, in multiple different states where these illegal poker games were happening, where they had devices and things, which I don't, maybe I'm naive, but if there's an illegal poker game, that's one thing where you're running that. But then there's more charges if you're cheating at an illegal poker game, I feel like that's like almost like a moral situation. Double jeopardy.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, again, we don't know the lengths of the evidence that is at hand here. You know, we know what's in the documents, you know, was Chauncey Billups knowingly involved with the mafia, with the mob, you know, it's, it's been brought to me by some people here, like, you know, is it possible to even unknowingly be involved in a, in a improper, illegal poker game, essentially, like when you're basically, um, uh, rigging a poker game, how can you unknowingly do that? Like, again, that's all, that's all for, for, for discussion, but, uh, the FBI, what their, their main charge with Chauncey Phillips is the rigging of poker

games. And so I believe I read it most, you know, where these took place were New York, Manhattan area. But as Cash Patel said, there were, I want to say 11 states, he said that all of this overall activity from sports betting to the

illegal poker games, all of this ranged 11 states. Boss of Connor's got something for you, Shams. Yeah, Shams. You said Malik Beasley still being investigated by the NBA and the FBI. Terry Rozier was investigated by the NBA last year. And the NBA, as already said, they had no idea.

They've been, yeah, I just sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you. No, you're good. Yeah, I do want to clear, make it clear here. Terry Rozier was cleared by the NBA. That's why he was playing in games. He was involved in games. He's been through an NBA investigation already. They took his phone from my understanding as part of that. He was cleared from that. His attorney even came out with that statement today. But that doesn't mean from a federal perspective he was clear. So clearly, even though he wasn't mentioned as a formal target in that investigation, at least initially, he was charged here today. Clearly, he was arrested. He has an arrangement today at 2.30 in Orlando. But he was cleared by the NBA. That's why he was playing.

So with that being said, with the Malik Beasley situation, when they're still going into his entire situation and the FBI's going into their entire investigation, like what is the difference between those two, just the, you know, the FBI's resources and their ability to connect everything versus the NBA, just looking at one specific situation? The powers are large. I mean, you can talk to conspirators, you can talk to people that you feel like might be involved. They all have the ability from a federal perspective, from a leak perspective, there's an

ability to go, you know, even take evidence, right? Take a phone, take other surveillance material, laptops, et cetera. So that's all under the jurisdiction of definitely the federal realm, but even the league is able to potentially do that. They did that with Terry Rozier, and they cleared him. Malik Beasley's case, he was not arrested today. He was not taken into custody today as part of this federal investigation situation. Again, I'm not saying he will never be. That's not what I'm saying here.

What I'm saying is he was not part of the 30-plus defendants in this sports gaming, betting, illegal poker schemes arrest ring today. And so the league's investigation has been ongoing. I report a while ago that he wasn't mentioned as a target of the federal investigation, but the league's investigation has been ongoing to Malik Bisi, but he was not involved in this. And his attorney, Steve Haney, even told me he's not cooperating with the federal investigators about these two in particular, or three in particular, as far as Damon Jones, Chauncey Billups, and Terry Rozier. Shams, did you have any idea of this before this morning?

It seems like it's unbelievable how quiet this was until, bam, all of a sudden guys are arrested. I'd gotten win last night that there was going to be a press conference and that Cash Patel, I'd been hearing over the last 24 hours, was actually a big name in all of this and someone that was taking a leading role in this investigation process. Obviously, for Terry Rozier, he's been investigated for over two years now. This is something that's been going on since 2023. And so, you know, that's local authorities, Eastern District of New York. But now Cash Patel, FBI involvement.

I got wind of it last night. Obviously, you know, the names and the specific reporting this morning. So what's, what's, I guess, can you give us a little glimpse what your life looks like right now? I'm sure you're juggling a few things, talking to some sources all over the place. What's it been like for you? Yeah, I mean, it's now, now it's all public. So everything that I've been working on since last night, is now public information.

And so now it's figuring out what's next, right? Portland Trailblazers, what is next with them? Who coaches the team? Miami Heat. Yeah. What's next with Terry Rozier as a player? He's under contract for $26 million. $26 million for Terry Rozier on the heat salary cap.

And what's the league's stance? How is the league addressing this? So they're a multi-year-up question. Is Silver going to have a presser or anything, show them? I assume they're going to have to address the public. Are they going to have like a big deal? make it a big thing?

So my knowledge, as of last night, there was not really this, I mean, there was no knowledge by Chauncey Billups, by Terry Rozier, by the league, that these arrests were coming specifically. I didn't even have it fully confirmed until this morning, but now you're able to get a look at the indictments. They're going to be able to get a look at the press conference. Talk to local authorities. Talk to the federal authorities.

And, you know, we're still waiting on the NBA, Portland, Miami for statements and seeing how they're going to be handling it with their own players and coaches if you're if you're Portland in Miami but then as a league with the NBA all right shams I know you got plenty to get to you got your phone you know going off the hook so I appreciate you coming on shams and we will look out for anything new right now breaking the statement here right now the NBA said they are reviewing the federal indictments announced today Terry rosier and Chauncey billups are being placed on immediate leave from their teams and and So we are going to be tweeting this out right now,

but Chauncey Billups and Miami's Terry Rozier got your sound on. The 10-9. Have been placed on immediate leave. Great workshop. Should you spell it right? By the NBA. Okay.

Sounded. So that's indefinite, I guess, until they get to the bottom, until they snoop around for a little bit, right, Shams? Inditments to that. Yes. Wow. All right, Shams. Well, hey, we appreciate you.

Let us know if you get any extra any more. breaking news straight from the sources. Let us know. We appreciate your time, Shams. I'll just read this whole statement. We're on the process of reviewing the federal indictments announced today. Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups are being placed on immediate leave from their teams, and we will continue to cooperate with the relevant authorities. We take these allegations with the utmost seriousness and the integrity of our game remains our top priority. That's the NBA statement right now, delivered here. Okay, Shams. So yeah, it sounds like We're just got... Good work.

A lot of baby, Sean. Investigative journalist, Shams. You're killing it, buddy. Really appreciate your time. We'll reach out to you again sometime in the near future, I am sure. But ladies and gentlemen, Sharmes, Shradia. Yeah, Sean.

So what do we learn there? It sounds like there's, like, very, very, very serious jail time. That's a lot going on. That's what it sounds like. If they're getting arrains today at 1 o'clock and 2.30 and clearly... So we see them, would that be on camera? Will we see them in front of the judge? I don't know.

Depends on... I would imagine it'll get out there. I mean, I don't know, like... I mean, Chaunceyville's the head coach of the team right now. Razir's currently playing, like Sean said, making $26 million this year. I mean, this is a big deal. It's a really big deal. Especially for the NBA to have already cleared him once.

You know, like, and now, like, so you wonder, are they going to make an example of them? How much more evidence did came in? I mean, it's just, it's crazy. It really is crazy. The one thing, like, the NBA needs, I'm sure they want people to know, like, these are separate situations, right? Yeah, yeah. Rigging in illegal poker.

game that's one thing but trying to like manipulate a game by how you play or what you may do like schematically that's a that's another huge situation like that's the integrity of the game right yeah and i'm going to court like this stuff will come out like they i mean they'll go on trial it sounds like at least and who knows what does happen in the end but you know with the NBA players being a big part of it but then also the the mob kind of mafia type you know you think it started like they were investigating the mob for like trying to get in on stuff and then these they found out the players all this and then yeah the players also the poker games and this is like going on for three four years I mean there's I mean like you've seen it in movies and stuff like that

where they're investigating for one thing and then another person like shows up and like oh I recognize that name on the list yeah yeah so I mean obviously it's all speculation until we also the victims though I sure the victims could have reached out to the FBI right this they said one victim is down 1.8, 1.7 million dollars from these poca could just be said. I'm thinking like, man, every time I go, these guys seem to be reading my mind. Yeah, 1 o'clock today and 2.30, I'm very interested to

see what all comes out from what Shom said. Those are the times for Chauncey Billups and Terry Rozier. But it was clearly coordinated. I mean, if they all got arrested at a signal morning, like this is very very much like, yeah, exactly. We got to get everybody and we got to kind of make it public because this is an example.

You kind of have to set an example with how serious it is. And, you know, knows what happens. We'll find out later. And that's why you assume that the hammer is going to drop because any time there's like a coordinated thing like this where, you know, multiple people, like they have a bunch of evidence. They, you know, they're like, you're not just going and knocking someone's

door down at 6 a.m. and rests in three separate people unless you have your ducks in a row and you know like, oh, okay, we got these guys. Yeah, do right. Let's see, uh, I know Shams mentioned somebody's lawyer on there. Malik Beasley. Beasley's lawyer, but let's see, like, when somebody else's lawyer comes out and stands like, stands in front of the

camera and lets us know exactly. I saw, I think it was Rozier's lawyer, Pablo Tori, reached out to them, got a statement from them and said that they're going to fight this. So, yeah, the lawyers are getting out there. Well, you know, I think, like we said, this is just the beginning of all of this stuff. It's just, it's been a wild morning just hearing all this happen. I can't imagine. I don't know how they kept it quiet. I don't know how they were able to, to coordinate this. And like Shams said, so last night, Shams had a pretty good idea. Something was coming up, but he didn't know what, he didn't know who. No. No. Now, now we learn. Okay. You know, you know somebody else?

A couple other guys that aren't here to this. but I've filmed something and recorded something great that we didn't get to see yet. Who's that? You know what that is? A couple guys that used to hang on. Guy named AJ slash Akew Shipleyer does in the trenches. Darius J. Butler does everything DB. Foxy, I think we got a nice little rendition of this. So try to pod that up and here you go, guys. Well, well, well. It is another incredible time of the week where we get a chance to see who are the Fatsos

that have been dominating better than the other big men on a football field. It is time to go in the trenches with the top five performing offensive lines at a week seven of the NFL season with AQ Shipley. Yeah, thank you. AQ who's the number five offensive line coming out of week seven? Wow. Oh, yeah. That New England Patriots, A lot of New England Patriots.

I think everybody in this office is going to be happy with this top five all day. But let's start with the New England Patriots. Let's take a look here. The left side. Hunter Henry starts with him. They send him in short motion. Go back out. Kickout.

Look at the combo block. Wow. Look at the left. left side of the line. They revamped their line with two rookies. Campbell and Wilson, taking guys off the ball, creating big, gay big holes. Now, I heard Will Campbell got small arms. How's he able to do what he's doing? It's unbelievable how these scouts always get it wrong with the short arms. Not always get it wrong. There's certainly some short-armed men who didn't make it in the NFL.

Will Campbell is not one of those guys. He's a dog. He's a beast. What is it about this particular offense? maybe that sets this offensive line up to have success, or is it the offensive line that is setting up the offense to have success? So let's start with the offensive line. Four or five new starters from a year ago. They bring in two rookies on the left side, and they got Morgan Moses and Garrett Bradbury coming in as veteran-free agents. So those four have been fantastic pickups,

and they are very good at running the football when they have a fullback, when they have two tight ends, when they do what Josh McDaniels did under Tom Brady. Yeah, and the... Josh McDaniels under Tom Brady? Okay, I understand what you're saying. You were a teammate of Tom Brady? You understand how it actually goes behind the scenes?

That would make sense. But also the one guy that AQ has mentioned, the four of five, the one guy that is returning from that offensive line, he got paid because of how good he was at right guard. Mike on Wenow, and we moved him last year to we. I wasn't on the staff, but they moved him on. I thought about it to right tackle. This year, he's back at right guard and he has been nails all season long.

For you, AQ, was there a difference in the looks that they got? got from, you know, Tennessee, because a lot of people on the internet, the coaches, myself included on the internet, were saying, we, of course, we're saying, thank you, we're saying that, like, they were facing a lot of, you know, eight-man boxes, seven-man boxes, and in this play, it's clearly a seven-man box, but was there less of that? Because teams are starting to respect Drake May a little more. There is less because they respect what he can do pass in the football, but also Josh McDaniels loves two tights, loves fullback, and what does that bring to debut? Base defense. Yeah, all the time. So,

whenever you get base defense, you're going to have seven or eight in the box, you're going to have a safety down. You're going to have all those things anytime you have two tights. But when they go in passing situations and now hand it off, it's clear six-man boxes. They're not forcing Drake May to throw the ball. Is this New England's first time on here? This is their first time on here, and this is the

first time all season that they've ran the ball this while. I think this is the first time they've gone over 100 yards. Oh, New England! We're back! That's right! That's right. That's right. Who's number four performing offensive line out of week seven of the NFL season? Wow. Yeah, the Chicago Bears, baby, and they look good.

I put a tweet out about how this is exactly what Ben Johnson envisioned, minus the quarterback he still has got to pick up the pace a little bit. But let's start with that about Jesus. We don't need to dive into everything you're saying. You think Caleb's nowhere near where he can be in this offense? I think if he continues to learn under Ben Johnson and get to the point where he's doing things on time in Ben's offense, instead of being a little frantic, a little panicky, rolling out right, out left and kind of doing all these off-scheduled things, this offense can be just like Detroit was.

Okay, cannot wait to watch that. Now, the offensive line is obviously big time talking point. They invested in it. They did, and their offensive line and the run game has been fantastic. But let's take a look. This is exactly what Ben Johnson used to do. We get a motion going across. Let's bring Loveland back across. Guess what? Don't block him. Just stiff arm. Get to the corner. This is the exact same play that the Atlanta Falcons ran a couple weeks ago with Vaughn Miller. If you guys remember, it's a copycat league. Here it is. A little whoopty-woo to go ahead and bait Vaughan. Boom. Same thing.

Stiff arm. Get out to the corner. Got him. And then you get the edge. Oh, that's a great play design. So people say, you know what? If you can do it, why not us do it? And Colston Loveland, rookie tight end, good pick here. Good blocking for him because they're coming after him with the way Tyler Warren's. I know. And I feel bad for him because exactly that. He gets drafted ahead of Tyler Warren.

Tyler Warren's the best tight end in football right now. Maybe the best player, yeah. Might be the best player. And he's been fantastic. And then Colston Loveland's starting to pick it up. He's starting to get some catches. He was good in the run game. He's doing a lot of really good things for them now.

And George Kittle, obviously, known as blocking a tight end. If you can block and not just be a weapon downfield, 20-25 feels like it's going to be a good time for you as a tight end in the NFL. It's huge. If you can block as a tight end, you have a job forever. And he had to do it at Michigan. Oh, yeah. He was a phenomenal pass threat, which you didn't see a lot of that because of the passing game at Michigan for a lot of his time there.

But, yeah, he's a block. What are there 30 straight runs against him? Yeah, J.J. McCarthy, first round draft pick quarterback. first round draft pick, tight end, obviously on the same field. Let's go 35 straight runs. Why? Because they can't stop it. So let's just keep doing that. Let's just win the game and get out of here. Love the selflessness

of that particular team. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, when you say copycat league, I assume Ben Johnson isn't going back through the, you know, internet or the plays of every single game. Are there coaches specifically or not coaches, but jobs specifically for, you know, people to bring plays to Ben Johnson or whoever

that they can then maybe implement if they like them? Oh, yeah. There's people upstairs that are scouring the internet. They are going on everybody's internet. They're looking at film. They're doing everything and they're trying to find those plays. I remember when I was with Cliff, we would get plays and we'd get a one word play for the week and it'd be like Abilene

and it's like, why is it out? Oh, we got this play from Abilene Christian in 2017. And it's some trick play that you had up for the week. But for them, it probably just popped up on a similar opponent as they're watching tape. It's like, oh, put that in the archives and then all of a sudden it's up. Do we have the personnel

to be able to do this? We do. It's got to the number three perform an offensive line. Whoa! Oh, nice, dude. Top three, yeah, this is good. Top five every week. Top three. They're top five every week. Congratulations. Indianapolis Colts, they are the best offensive line

in football. It looks like the third. No, no, they're third. This is a week-to-week rankings. And for this week, there were two groups that played better than their offensive line. We'll see. That is not saying that they didn't play good, because they did play good. And you will see exactly why on this play

in particular. Let's look. This is called 11 trap, 11 because we're going to the left odd number. Quentin Nelson and Raymond on the left side. Watch them. Bluff this D-Taguerrely falls down. You don't have to do anything.

Quentin Nelson up on the next level. And then if you look, go back one more time. Look at the right side. Bordalini gets a cross face. Oh, Boralini. We didn't even bring that up when we're talking about spaghetti. Yeah, that's right.

Bordalini gets the cross face. He seals it. Braden Smith gets the cross face. He seals it. And then the biggest thing is they get the blitz up the field and that creates the big gaping hole. The sick celebration. I mean, he's got a good sell. Yeah. Very good selling. I love it. Very

replicable. Very doable. And it looks cool every time. And with how fast he runs, it just kind of carries him. Exactly. It gets right into it after he crosses the goal line. Yeah, it doesn't look like it's too much. It feels like that was a good brainstorm session and it ended up in a great spot for him. He's scoring a lot touchdowns. That's because the offensive lines. Third best in football. Yeah. Third bet. According to this. He said the best, though. No, no, see this week, it looks like they're the third.

Third this week, it was six and one. Best team, best offensive line. Cumulative, third season. Third, third best. Leading Russian. Most consistent offensive line this season. You told Boralini right through his face. He's fucking third.

Bordellini's been great. I know. That right? I know he has been. Quentin Nelson's been great. Both tackles been great. What's wrong with the north left corner of this particular? Well, there's.

Two teams. They're great. They'd had better performances amongst the offensive line this week. Oh, okay. You think Portolini's a Spaghetti guy? No, I think he's a rigatone guy. Just to find he likes rolling folks. Tortolini, maybe.

Maybe Toralini. I mean, Boralini for Toralini, you might just say, oh, good me, you know, the family in the entire thing. Gabagul. Yeah, he's great. He's been, hey, gratsi, Porego, for what you've been doing for us over here with the, you know, Muzolel and the pepperon. and the brajude and everything they're doing here,

which is obviously good. Number three, offensive line coming out of week seven is the Indianapolis Colts. Who's the number two performing offensive line out of week seven? Wow. The Detroit Lion. Okay.

Okay. Hey, Foxy, before you let this thing run, let me just talk about why I loved this group. I watched this film yesterday, and as I took a look at this film, it reminded me of a nine-on-seven practice. You remember nine-on-seven? Here's what gets lost in the sauce

whenever you do nine-on-seven. You let your technique, go out the window and it just becomes an attitude game, right? Because you're just trying to win the drill. And whenever you're trying to win the drill, I'm coming off the ball harder. I might miss sometimes, but I'm trying to punch you in the fucking mouth. They knew who was coming into town. It was Tampa Bay, right?

It was Vita Bay. It was all the boys trying to punch you in the mouth. This was like a nine-on-seven game. And they also had some really good plays in the technique. And you guys all remember this play from the other night. Let's take a look. So look, two double teams at the point of attack. That's called duo.

Duo. There it is. two double teams let's watch them get hip to hip cover these guys up get up on Levanti David the running back sets up the block and then see ya that's Sonic see ya that's right yeah that's

Sonic so yeah I mean that's so good that's got to be fun I mean look at Cleave Raymond too sticking his nose in there Sea Gap insert incredible come back to the beginning again Penny Sewell celebrating this down the field is awesome I mean just the moxie of the boy in the midnight what are these the Motor City

muscle oh Great unies. Great unies. And the number zero looks really cool, doesn't it? AQ. You think that's why he's running a little bit better? Maybe they're blocking a little bit better? I mean, he's running 25 miles an hour.

He sets up both safeties, fill outside. He just hits at 100 miles an hour right up the A gap. It was incredible. Yeah, maybe they did have a pretty good little weekend, I guess. Somebody's going to have to be stupendous to be the number one performing offensive line in the week seven of the NFL season. Who would that be? That'd be the San Francisco 49ers.

That's bullshit. 175 yards rushing. Christian McCaffrey was back. This is his best rushing performance since the year 2023. Wow. That was just a couple years ago because we're currently in the year 2025. Now, whenever you think

about this Niners team, you think about them having a tough offense. You think about them having an incredible run game. This has been the first time they've been number one in some time now. Is that because Kittles back or what did you see this week? It's everything to do with 44 and 85. I'm telling you, their offensive line plays better. It sets it up for

the scheme that they want to do. This play right here, we're going to get power down. We're going to motion across, get the tight end at the point of attack. Use check downhill. Old school power. Boom, boom. Everyone washes down. Look at Kittle.

He's the home run block. He's the home run block on the backside. If you watch him climb, he gets up to Jesse Bates. Watch this. Because Jesse Bates, if you slack it on, look at him. Get skinny. Get inside leverage and give him another five or six yards. I think I was looking at another white tight end.

Far left, far left, far left. I was like the 89 the whole time. Far left. a good block by 89 as well. George Kiddell getting up. They're also fantastic. Incredible. They got good fundamentals.

And what did you say about their practice drills? So whenever they, like, so for instance, B.A., if he runs a blitz drill, it's going to be nine out of ten of the plays, they're going to be past plays. If it's Kyle Shanahan, it's a blitz drill, they're still getting eight runs in because they are constantly running that run game. Everything is off of the run game. The reps go on. And on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on it's a good ring game well some days i mean they just they go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. People say this bit potentially. Yeah. It's bit. My voice, I don't know how much it can last, but if I had to guess, it could probably go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. And on and on and on and on. And streak of the Indianapolis Colts ending up in the top five and not being number one shall continue, I guess, in AQ Shipley's mind. trenches today, Q. Shipley, and, you know what, sometimes you get in the middle of a second, you think, man, I wish this one all day. I wish it kind of went on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on, and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. I sure do. How does it feel?

I was passed out, dude. But I kind of just found a fucking, you know. Find it. Yeah, went Mach 10 there for a little bit. Shout out. Like,

yeah. Shout out T.C. And Bob. Yeah. And Bob Parsons. Yeah. Miss you, Bob. Yeah.

Thank you for your service. And great golf clubs. We appreciate you over there, PXG. And your accent is fantastic as well. And if that segment would have went, no. Yeah.

We wouldn't have been able to get to. Ladies of John, It's time for everything D.B. Good, deep, bad, Dee, with Darius J. Bob. All right. Before we get to these plays and the teams and the defenses that are on there, there is one omission this week, the Cleveland Browns.

I know I'm going to get some Texas. They beat the shit out of the Dolphins, obviously, too, it looked bad. It just wasn't a lot of teaching moments from those plays. It was just very, very stinky. But shout out Tyson Campbell to Pick's Hickman. And who else got a pick in that game? Ray Sean Jenkins as well. But let's get to the Texas.

So this is like when they were judging party. schools back whenever we were in school and they're like West Virginia's a professional party school we will not judge them amongst the others here is the top 25 you're saying hey like Cleveland Browns you guys embarrassed the entire Monty Dolph I mean it just and I mean two is you know two of Mike McDaniel

Dodgers they've been buried every yeah but Cleveland Brown certainly yeah Brown's are good likewise yeah good defense very good defense okay so congrats to them hey congrats their brons and illegal their own let it go Brown this week this week yeah but let's get to the tape some teaching moments from around

the league. Starting with the Carolina Panthers now. I'm missing the quarterback this defense. You're talking about complimentary football defense. Derek Brown, he's been dominant as far as been the interior defense alignment. And then J.C. Horn, one of the corners that got paid this all season, he's been phenomenal since stepping into the league.

The only thing that you would say about J.C. Horn, hey, you need some more ball production and just staying healthy. And you're seeing more and more of that this year. This is his second time, I believe, on everything DB. This is a cover six looks. So at the bottom of the screen, Casey Horn is. Yes, J.C. Horn is up there top and on the bottom of the screen

this is cover two and then on the other side it'll be cover four hence while we get the cover six so quarters technique he's outside leverage you'll watch his safety this is a route two beat quarters boom safety settles down and then you got outside leverage from the cornerback post route boom

when you are when you're behind we call that out of phase you're not taught to look back for the ball but once you get kind of towards that end zone you really got nothing to lose this is what you call not not panicking not just running into the receiver getting a PI going up high point in this thing with one hand. It's the second time he's been on here.

Not only getting an interception, but getting a one-hander. This was absolutely nasty. T.M.M.O.T.M.M. We'll see if he starts this week for the Jets. At least he was taking a shot down the field, but a phenomenal play from J.C. Horn from outside leveraging quarters coverage up top. As Aaron Glenn said earlier in the week, the Jets will have a quarterback. The Carolina Panthers have a team? Yes. This is how many wins are on now? Four? Three.

Three. I think three. Yeah, three. They lost. They got the shit beat out by the Patriots, I believe. Got a win, then lost to the Patriots, then rattled off three straight. The run game, which we know has been great. And then defensively, they've been great as well. Once again, we'll see what happens at quarterback position. This is his second pick in this game. Now, you should never go to this match up. Reynolds on the outside. This is a practice rep. This is something you practice one-on-ones. Hey, DB versus DB. Usually don't see it this easy in the game. But, yeah, press out. He goes. goes outside, gets his head around, high points and leaning locate, just absolutely textbook. That's a coach throwing that ball. Exactly. You've seen this. I've actually thrown that ball. Yeah, you've seen this drill. This is literally what this is. I don't know what T.Mobile was thinking at this point in the game going at that matchup. One-on-one, the safety was completely on the other side of the field because you have a $25 million year cornerback, and this is why you have them.

Jay C. Horn, make it plays. Go ahead, Conman. To DeBitt's point about just their, you know, record as of recently, this is their first road win like their splits between road and home are insane they're dominant at home and now it's buffalo who has had trouble stopping the run going to carolina with andy dalton and then rico dowdell and chuba hubbard now back for a second game like that's a sneaky bills at panthers you see it and you hear it and you're like whatever but then when you realize the panthers are a good football team it's a tough game and we have to know connor's certainly hoping for one of those as well but but i'm also with with the full expectation that

bills are the bills and Josh Allen is still the MVP of this year. Well, you started snoop around a Carolina team though, you're like, good to you. Wait a minute. There's a chance here. Which would be great for the Patriots at the moment. The Patriots very close to being number one seed in the AFC rate. That's right. On your heels. On your heels. Can you hear us coming? Can you hear us?

Danny can't hear anything, actually. If you seen anything, he's locked in 1,000. There is no noise outside. Other than a nice little Halloween party with the Pacers and the boys have a little beer. Go ahead to some more good, DMA. Here we go. Next. Speaking of the boys. Hey, my coach, Louana Roman, this defense, they have been phenomenal. Now, Nick Cross will get this interception here.

You'll see it better from the replay. Pause it real quick. I want you, so they're going to motion the four strong. But number three receiver right now, right there, right on the hash. That's Ladd McConkey. Going to double him. So I think that's where Justin's going to want to go with this ball. He's going to get doubled from the opposite side of the field.

That's safety is on this hash down here. He's going to come and take that short one away. And then Justin Herbert is going to go to the crosser right here. Third and seven, 23 game. They could. They get a touchdown head. They cut it down to a two possession game. But Nick Cross makes a great play.

Turn around, looking them up, then getting his head around last second. Kind of one hand pick, trapping it against the shoulder. You'll get a closer look at it here. Boom. Unbelievable play right here, especially in the end zone. Anytime you get an interception where either you're setting your offense up in the scoring position or in the flip side of that, when the other offense is a big swing and points in momentum. The other offense is threatening to drive to get points in the game.

That's a big time. interception, getting his head around there, not panicking, not just getting the PI, but getting your head around and making a play on the ball. You pause it here, like run it back to the beginning. He kind of makes it look like he's running with Ladd, then he drops Ladd to the double coverage and then turns around on Quentin Johnston here. So that's a great play from Nick Cross from beginning to end. Tell me a little bit more about Nick Cross.

He gets sacks. He's all over the feet. He's got real. This guy's fucking everywhere. I believe he was a second round pick out of Maryland. Career kind of started off rough after his first. maybe second year, they're ready to run him out of town, honestly. But he leading the league, I mean, leading the team and tackles right now going into

this week's game. And then he's just been a playmaker. He can blitz. He can show up in the run game. And then if he can add this element to his game as well, getting ball production, he can play in the league for a long, long time and make a ton of money. But Lou, you talk about what Lou Anaroma is doing and what his scheme is like. Imagine this as a quarterback, especially in that low red area.

We draft him 2022, third round out of Maryland. He's been here now, and he is really exploding. He is everywhere. 20 is actually everywhere. I like this little – he baited butter right here. He baited butter right here, and then does a walking spin move while covering a guy, and then the ball is on him. He has incredible – and then he'll blitz just like the next play

and run his face right through somebody. I'm a big fan of it cross. Yeah, it's insane that those are the first two plays on everything DB, just like the IQ of J.C. Horn and cross there. But you guys talk about middle eight all the time. Like, this is a, not just a, you know, interception. This is the two-minute warning. They don't get any points, and then the Colts go and kick a field goal.

It's like that's not the play of the game, you know, when you look back on it, but then looking at it right now, 20 to 3, possibly 20 to 10, and it ends up being 23 to 3. Jage did not like us going. I forgot, we didn't bring that up to JJ. He did not like us going for a field goal rate. At all. Yo, Jay, it's 20 to 3, Jage. Let's just fucking, we're trying to make sure there's the last drive.

I don't like these decisions. I was texting them in the middle of the game. I'm like, yo, it was third down. What do you want them to do? If we could give them the ball back, they potentially score again. It was before that. And then, like, afterwards, he said, what are they doing 13 seconds? Why are they doing that?

It's like, okay, that decision we can certainly get after. But it's like everything Stuyken is doing right now, all three phases. It's all working. Like Lou Aniruma has been perfect for this team. Special teams, don't really have to do much, but they do. Somehow we get a massive return wherever we need it if we have to have it. And then on offense, offensively, JJ said we're always on schedule. It's like, I'm not questioning anything, Jage.

So when you're calling this Colts game next time, Jage, just know Shane's got figured out. That's probably why he was questioning because we were cooking with gas on offense. I'm sure watching them on tape and then coming in seeing what they're doing. They're getting the ball two minutes left. I'm not sure how many timeouts. But from like the first play you saw, okay, it was no sense of urgency. They did get down there. But then Shane, at his halftime interview, I think he said like, look,

we just wanted this to be the last possession of the game before heading in the halftime. Shane was saying, you know, we don't doubt. Shane was saying, look, Dagnamet. Yeah, Gracious Pete, what do you want me to do? He'll say all those things. You know, he's great Mike Doug. Yeah, he is. Explain that to me. Oh, look, it's going to be a touchdown. Look at this shit. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this.

Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. They don't really show if it's not. All right. This one's the next touchdown. Cut that. Cut that. Cut that. This one's going to be a touchdown. Everybody, look at this. I love his optimism. I love his energy. I love how it's working out. Let's go to some more good deal. talking about optimism, energy, and somebody else that's great miced up. Kelvin Shepard had these boys rolling in prime time against the Tampa Bay Bucks.

14-0 right here. Now, you've seen this replay a lot, seen this talk about a lot, you talk about the middle eight again. This is two-minute, I mean, yeah, two-minute situation, second quarter, 152 on the clock. And honestly, Baker Mayfield, he dropped and threw the ball, dropped back and through the ball a ton of this game. But he was so hesitant. Like, I haven't seen him this hesitant, and I don't know how long, but that lets you. know how confusing probably his defense was to him. You'll see if you run it back, is this the beginning of the frame? You'll see the disguise here. Maybe man-to-man coverage.

You look at that top safety. Then once he gets the snap and drops back, they go to a split safety coverage. And you can see Baker's not really, I guess, confident or comfortable because if he steps up, he can kind of hit this number one receiver right behind his underneath dropper. But Arthur Millett right here, who's circle, he does a great job. As a zone defender, especially underneath zone defender, you're taught to break on the quarterback's intention. So You break on their eyes and you break on their attentions. And he does a great job. And he showed up with physicality attacking the football.

And 99 times out of 100, if it's considered a tie or two guys go to the ground with the ball, they're going to give the tie to the offense. This was probably the first time I've ever seen this overturned. But then on review when I'm looking at it. What? Is that a second look? I mean, if you pause it here, yeah, with a second look, like it looks like Otten's holding on a bunch of forearm. And Arthur Millett has a lot more of the football.

So I wasn't, you know, maybe it's the former DB and me. Maybe it's me root for Calvert, but I saw this as an interception as well. This got overturned from New York. I did as well. I saw it as interception as well, but to your point about tie goes the runner, that's always kind of the case here in these particular types of place. So they overturn this, give this to Detroit, and then they do a second look on a first down that goes into, are you guys? Yeah, I mean, there was also a sack where our guy tripped the quarterback and they didn't call it. Yeah, there was a couple things here that, you know what, we're just going to take.

those because what comes around goes around. And also, that was called a catch on the field. That blew my mind more that they reversed it. I just figured they would just say, yeah, it was a catch on the field. We have no evidence. We're going to keep it moving. But instead, the refs said, oh, we got you in the Chiefs game. Here you go, Lions

fans. On that football, remember? Yeah, is that what they said? Is that what they said? I don't think that's the case. I think that maybe New York wants Detroit to win. New Orleans to the NFL. Yeah, maybe the Lions fans can never ever, ever say anything ever again about the rest.

Ever. Disgusting. Ever. Never again. Ever. Now in this one, though. Next hundred years because it was a prime time game. Yep. Primetime game. A lot of injuries. Get the MVP. Against best team of football people were saying on the Indianapolis Colts. Prime time, they give that one in the Detroit. After a second, look, what?

Never heard that. How many looks are we doing here? Well, I challenged something else, but he gets you, what are we doing? Then Lions fans, hey, it must be nice. It must be nice. them anytime we can get them. And also, I like that everyone agreed, like watching that play, it looked like an interception. And then they called it an interception. I enjoy that aspect. Yeah, we certainly like that. I would like that to be known that we like the common sense reign true here, but also a lot of common sense situations happening for the lions all of a sudden.

It's crazy. Not to bring up another fourth down, questionable call by the rest, but that little option play. Yeah, that, I don't know. What was on with it? I don't know if he got the first there. It's kind of out of bound. Unbelievable. And you said they gave it to him. Great.

They didn't look at it. I don't know. They didn't measure. They didn't look at it. Wow. That was the first down, too. And Rob puts them over it look like. But now all of a sudden, I'm thinking we need to go back and look at that play.

Yeah, what's going on with the refs in New York? She's a Tampa Bay Buccaneer. No, no, no, no. The Detroit Lions getting favorable calls? We need about 10,000 more calls to make it even. Oh, never going to be good enough. It's never going to be enough NFL. Detroit Lions, more like Detroit Lion.

Oh, the Lion Lions. Wow. That does sound like there's some lies coming out of the Lions fan base. If they don't think that maybe the NFL's on their side, we don't want to hear it anymore. NFL, we'd like let you know. If you just gave the Colts a bunch of calls, we'd be okay with it. Absolutely.

We'd be thankful for it. We'd acknowledge it. We wouldn't say, you need 10,000 more to make it for what you've done in the past. We'd say it's A-O-K. Do we have more good, do you or bad? Absolutely. We still got some. some more good deal over here. Pause. Here we go. Down to the bottom of screen. Vikings versus the

Eagles. This is a rookie Andrew McCuba. This is his second time, I believe, on everything DB. If you pause it right here, boom, who are we circling? One of the best, if not the best wide receiver in football with Justin Jefferson. They're going to run a cover two over Justin Jefferson, but I want you to watch as this play developed the safety because obviously he's focused on 18 to start. You let it run here. This is the Carson Winston Interception that we've seen earlier in the week, but we'll see a little deeper diving to it. So Paul's great job by the cornerback and the safety being over top of Justin Jefferson. But once the quarterback breaks the pocket, he's going to throw it to this receiver.

I believe Jordan Addison running all the way across the field. And if McCuba doesn't get back, spin around, and look for work and make this play, he honestly probably catches this ball running away from Mitchell. So great play, great heads-up play by the rookie, not only being aware of the going up there and making a play on the football. I like that Vic Fangio isn't Fangio over. No kidding. I like that they still got all the dogs.

Because remember, it was Joe Bolver down there for Fangio over with Miami Dolphins. And maybe it was just Joel Bolver for everybody down there at the Miami Dolphins. And Vic Fangio, celebrating a new life up there in Philadelphia. A lot of communication. Yeah, if you run it back right, I was just going to point it out. And this is something that, you know, the common watcher may not see or pay attention to. But if you run it all the way back, the thing about playing the nickel position, the zines in the slot is communication of verbal and non-verbal communication so this point and i'm sure there's

some talking going on with the pointing as well a lot of point boom boom maybe let them know something then let it play and watch 33 again because you think why you throw it down there pause it's uh back about three clicks if you just watch 33 underneath as a slot defender as a underneath dropper it's not only about uh looking up the receiver i talked about being his own defenders about the intentions and the I was on a quarterback, so he just fills this receiver behind him, let it run, boom. Fills him, nobody's open short. Jefferson's cover, obviously, Nailer's cover, you just throw it down deep. Carson.

Yeah, he doesn't see, he doesn't think, Carson wins the experience for sure. He doesn't think by any chance that McCuba is going to get back to that play. So great job, and obviously you'll see from the TV replay that, you know, Carson was, you know, he's pretty bummed out. I mean, how does Cooper, like, it's Cooper DeGine, right, you said? Yep, yep. The legs are mirrored, and he's not even looking at the guy when he turns and pivots. That is ridiculous. I don't even know how the hell you can feel that.

Pretty athletic. Yeah. Right here, ready? Yep, just feel. He goes, he goes, yeah, right left, right. And then stops. Yeah, just like that. He's right in Carson, I think, right?

Exactly, yeah. Green attention of the quarterback. As soon as he breaks that pocket, you know, it kind of turns into a scramble drill sometimes, but as that underneath the fender, you just feel it. One, two, three. Yeah, you fill them. It's insane. Yeah.

well and also that's why the no look is so impressive yeah because if you just get him a cooper a little bit off and then you throw that thing back off and that's a completion instead of uh i don't think he's open uh hell there's a guy way oh down there let me hock this thing i'm cars and uh that's fun we're appreciative of him doing that too we have more good d nope that's all the good d so then we got to the manned d oh no sorry school fans the vikings are still on here uh cover too and something that we're kind of weekend and week out on the bad D is some inverted cover two. So all that means is that the safety or the linebacker, somebody else becomes the flat defender, which is usually number two down here. They are usually a flat. They are playing usually the flat as the DB as a corner, but now they go back to be the deep half defender as a cornerback.

Now, can they do it? Absolutely. But it's something that safeties do down in and down out, week in and week out. But now you're putting that on the cornerback. So now in the deep half, number one receiver, which Devonte Smith is down here, you always want to be inside of the number one receiver if you're a deep half. So he's already in a bad spot here.

And he also, he doesn't have the depth. So what happened when you don't have the depth is you kind of panic because that receiver, obviously these boys can run. They get up on you quick. So boom, does a great job stemming him even more outside, gets him to flip his hips. And it runs a great route. And obviously, play action, under center. You saw a little bit more of that from Jayland Hertz in the Eagles offense,

even though they didn't run the ball well. Great, great ball, deep ball from Jalen Hertz. But yeah, he put him in, I mean, that's a great, great route. Because if he just lines up, if these two guys just line up and race, Isaiah Rogers is one of the fastest players in the league. But when you set him up like that and have him hit that spinneroo, and then obviously a quarterback throws a dot. One of the best, I think deep ball throws in the league

when he could just get back there and throw it to six or 11. Jalen Hertz when he's playing a ball. Perfect pass-a-rate in this week. Just a great job by not only quarterback, But the receiver right here setting them up. A little bit of a blender. Okay, that's not a good place to be. Obviously, you feel very helpless and hopeless.

And if that's what the offense is going to look like for Philadelphia going forward, they might go back to back to back. And maybe everybody will be happy. Absolutely. We got some more bad D. You got one more. It's the same thing. It's Big D giving some bad D to the commanders.

It's the same thing. So right here at the bottom of the screen, you got Marshawn Lattimore. He's going to become the deep half safety. So once again, inverted cover two. But this safety, he's not going to be the flat. defender. He's going to be the middle run through, which is usually the Mike linebacker here. So he's going to be responsible for C.D. Lamb up to the left side of the formation if you're looking at it defensively. And he's going to drop that

middle read. Boom. So you let it run here. Running with the middle reed. Boom. Now I drop it and I go to the dig. Dagger concept. We see this weekend and week out. C.D. Lam sees that he gets dropped. He knows it's not a middle of field safety. He just throws his hand up. Dack, that throw me the ball. He sees him. Marshaun takes a bad angle. Because once again, And as a cornerback, as good as Marshaun is as a corner, that's something that safeties usually do. Angles are everything as a DB, offensive alignment as well. So if you're playing out of position, it's tough.

And he actually knocks off the other safety. And then these little boys walking backpedaling into the end zone. But great job by Dak seeing him. And he's bummed out because he was in position to make this play. But he took a bad angle and it turned into a touch. That's the life of a DB. Yeah, that is tough. And obviously we all saw that play.

I'm excited to learn why and how we. got there. Well, congrats to the Dallas Cowboys, seemingly on firing on all cylinders. They really, it looks like vibes are immaculate down there for the Dallas Cowboys. Good for them. They got a lot of talent on the offense side. Defense side, obviously it's thing. How about the good day and bad day from everything, D.B. Thank you much. All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to do a magic trick.

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There's about to be something that you're going to talk about forever. I'm sitting in this seat right now, but as soon as I snap these fingers, there's going to be a brand new person sitting here. Foxy, if you would go to the straight on shot, that would be what we are looking for. Ladies and gentlemen, in three, two, and... Whoa! It is magic. It is magic. I mean, look at that. I had no idea. It would work out that well. And here we go. I just, boom. Rose from the ashes. Here it is. Wow. Big game, guys. Hey, good, deep, baddy, in the trenches with AQ Shipway, Darius Jay Butler. I love watching those segments. I don't know about you guys.

Every time I learn a lot. And actually, it brings up like 15 questions every time. I wish I was there to badger them throughout their whole situation. Because we know nothing stops the ram truck, right? No, it does. We know we see the L-R-Rap up there. What's it sounding like, calm, man? And with that being said, we got a big game tonight, obviously, Vikings Chargers, Tone. Where is the money at tonight? The money tonight is on the Vikings actually, plus, or sorry, the 56% of the money is on the Vikings tonight. They are plus three and a half or plus three at some places, as far as the line goes.

A couple of stats for you tonight, okay? I don't know if this is going to. Love stats. I don't know if this is going to deter you or favor any way that you're going tonight. Carson Wentz? The Wentzaholic? The Wants machine? Yeah, what about him?

The Wents Project? Uh-huh. Okay? Seven and O on Thursday night football. Wow. Is that good? Hold on, though. We've got a bit of an immovable object versus the unstoppable force tonight.

The Vikings on Thursday night football? Oh, and seven. Geez. What do we do we supposed to do? That's up to you, brother. What are you going to do? I don't know yet. cars that those are what they would call a trend right oh yeah but double negative it makes it

a positive bingo but there's a slight so we flatlined at zero on this one so they cancel each other out so you just got to look at the football got trust my instance okay and that's when you go to the other side uh jim harbaw i believe is four and oh on short weeks he's four and oh i don't know if it's on thursday night football if it's on like a sunday and then to monday yeah here it is the charges are four and no against the spread on short rest under Jim Harbaugh. Now, short rest, I don't know, but this definitely would be short rest.

So maybe that's kind of the one that puts it over the goal line, per se. I'm not too sure, but I do know Big Mike McCarthy, who's not on today, he's on tomorrow. He will send us his pick before the end of the show as well. Before the end of the show today, we will know Big Mike's pick. Okay, because that definitely informs me on where I'm going to go because of Big Mike. And his football prowess, I believe if he was picking games, he would be like six and one now or five to one. Yeah, something crazy.

He's hot. Pittsburgh guy, you know, had a goal. He's a guy. Got to go back home, right? Got to go back home. It would be nice. It could be a good night for the green of goal. Yeah. We got hard out here coming here shortly, but we got Kirk Herb Street joined us in the next hour, about 120, I believe.

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Football! It always rules the day here around the Pat McAfee Show. We love football at all different levels, but we also love the other sports that are going on. And we know Conman last night, I believe the Association had a pretty big night, didn't they? Yeah, it was fantastic. For basketball fans. Yeah, fantastic night for the NBA last night. Nick's Cavs kind of kicked us off on ESPN. Carl Enthie Towns doubtful.

Then he was playing, then he wasn't. He played great. They took care of business. What was wrong with him? He had a, was it groin or knee, Bruce? A quad. He was questionable with a grade two quad train. Game one.

Yeah, between the knee and groin. I knew it was somewhere in there. But yeah, they played very well. 76 or Celtics, Celtics, without Tatum. They put up a fight, but the rookie who stole the show right there on the second tab, VJ Edgecombe, 34 points, seven rebanks. bounds and three assists to kind of, you know, steal the night when it comes to rookie performances. He was amazing. Him and Tyrese Maxie seemed to be the new duo on the

Sixers. M.B. It only played about 20 minutes. He really didn't have too much of effect on the game. But yeah, this kid is unbelievable. We are possibly looking at kind of a new look sixers with two of the better, you know, players in the back court. And I'm saying two of the better players. It's been one game. I know I'll relax a little bit. But just from watching it, this kid is unbelievable. And 77 on a rookie, I thought it looked like shite. Yeah, yeah. That he starts playing and it's like, oh, 77 on a rookie basketball player is incredible.

So definitely someone to watch as we look forward to. But the player to watch is Wemby. And Cooper Flagg had a double double in his debut. Kind of awesome. I believe he's the youngest player with a double double in the history of the NBA, but Wembe, I mean, this is entering not fair territory. If Wemby stays healthy, he will be just a historic winning all the awards player. It looks like he's dunking on an eight foot rim. The real problem is he's not lumbering up and down the, up and down the court. He's actually

sprinting. I mean, yeah, pump fake pass right back. Yeah, try and block me. You can't. He had 40 points, 15 rebounds and an assist. I believe he was 15 to 21 from the field. Nine of 11 from free throws. I mean, it just wasn't fair. He's doing stuff that... Seven foot four, right? Seven foot four listed. A lot of people are saying he's seven, seven now. Bo Bonn, who's on ESPN. He said, hey, look, I'm seven four. I'm looking up at Wemby, so he's not seven four. He went, he went bananas. Cooper Flagg, obviously his story. But with what Wemby did, it's hard to imagine the Spurs not being, you know, a 50 win team and being a real player here if Wemby stays healthy. But again, you look at his injuries, he didn't have a

soft tissue injury last year as a blood clot. So saying that, well, he doesn't, he can't stay healthy. He gets these injuries. That's not true. But yeah, like that dunk right there. Well, I was just going to say that up and under. He's got to watch that. He's so damn big. He's going to get called for a travel. He's not even trying to. He's jumping, but his feet are going to be on the ground on that up and under. But it is. He's, I mean. It's all this ball handling and then step back three. He's like, I mean, I know that one.

That one went around. It's like you're watching a different sport with watching play. It's great. It's like you're watching a different species. That's a better way. That's true. Yeah, and Bruce made a great point. Like, you really can't contest his shots because if you do, because of how big he is,

he's going to land much, much further in front of the three point line, and he's going to get M1s just like that. But even stuff like this, you know, we're talking about the Mavericks, okay? Anthony Davis. as one defensive player of the year, and he really can't do anything. And he's one of those players that everyone says AD can cover anybody. Yeah, Wembe is legitimately a foot taller than Anthony Davis,

or at least that's how it looks. Like, Anthony Davis can't jump with Wembe because if he does all of a sudden, you know, he is going to foul him. And guess what? Wembe is going to dunk the ball. There it is on the bottom there. He's the first player to score 40-15 with at least 75% shooting and zero turnovers in a game

since turnovers were ever tracked. I don't know when that started, probably after Michael Jordan, but still. That's true, that's true. But Wemby is just an absolute specimen. It's one of those things where I hope there's 50 primetime San Antonio. His MVP odds yesterday went from, they're anywhere from like plus 950 to plus 1250 I saw,

which is, if you don't know, it's $100 to win $900 or $100 to win $1,200. They went from that to plus 300. He is now the second in the MVP odds, only behind SGA. I know Connor mentioned what 50 wins. Are they going to be able to make a run in the playoffs? Are they a solid basketball team? Yeah, it's not just him. They have Castle who was rookie of the year.

They had back-to-back rookies of the year. So that was pretty good for them. They traded for Deerrin Fox last year. He did not play last night out of league. New coach is getting great pub too. Yeah, and then they got, who's the rookie they got? Ron Harper's kid. like, yeah, they're a good basketball team.

Yeah, Ron Harper's kid came off the bench. I have 15 points. Harrison Barnes. Yeah, like they are all of a sudden, and not all of a sudden, because it's kind of been like this with Wembe for a few years now where it's like, hey, just wait. This kid is going to be unbelievable.

And now this is what happens. He starts the season with 40 and 15 against a multi-defensive part of the year, Anthony Davis. So it's seriously one of those same situations. Like, hey, if they're healthy, they are going to be unbelievable this year. of these teams parentally too who like if they're good around the trade deadline like you find

one superstar who's unhappy somewhere like they'll be brought up in conversation because it's like hey they have wemby he's healthy like if we can get a little more scoring or whatever it is they need at that point like they can be legitimate title contenders yeah i saw people um on the internet saying lebron going there would be cool when i say people i was just talking about me um i'm really hoping LeBron goes there just because the Spurs are one of those teams. It's very similar to the Packers. Like, they're kind of the Packers of the NBA. They're always

good. Even when they lose legends, they have a next guy up. Now, I don't want to go into detail about how the Spurs got the number one pick when Wemby was the number one prospect and they've gotten three straight. Slaughter, right? The balls come out of the machine. The NBA's gone through too much there.

Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. But Wemby being there, it's perfect. Like him being a spur, him growing up in France with Tony Parker being a spur and him being a massive Spurs fan. Like it is incredible that we're here at this point now, a few years into it, where it's not a situation and not to, you know, dunk on him or shit on him, but not a situation like Zion where, you know, Zion, a ton of hype. Everyone's still excited about him. People are, I'm still excited about him right now.

But like Wembe has already kind of arrived as like, yeah, this guy's a stud. I mean, he trained with monks in the offseason. he got the whole entire Zen. He's doing kicks. And that's a big thing, too, like as far as him not, seriously, him not, you know, being worried about like a hammy or a foot like you normally see with that. But then here's the other side of it. He train with KG.

So kind of the double both sides of the basketball coin, Zen, and also like a massive, you're going to eat my shit mentality like Kevin Garnett had. It's one of those possible perfect storms where we might have a true. you know, change of the guard. We've been talking about the face of the league. If this keeps happening, forget everything else. Like, Wembe will be the guy when LeBron is done. And hopefully, LeBron still has, you know, five years left.

How would his Wemby? 22? That's it. I think. I mean, Wembe could put on... He's 21. 21, excuse me. Which is wild to think of.

He could, not easily, but if this dude, in one year or two years, if he wanted, just growing into his body, he could put on 40 pounds of muscle. He can't, though. That's how these guys end up. I mean, like, I would agree, but that's how these guys get hurt and they get the foot, the foot issues, and then it's like, because that is, I mean, if you're 7-7, if he breaks one bone in his foot, like, it's just, you know,

we saw it with Greg Oden, we saw it with a bunch of these guys. Holmgren's rookie year. Yeah, exactly. Chad Holmgren, like, that's what, he almost, he almost needs to be that exact build to kind of maximize. I mean, obviously put a little bit of weight on, but like, you're that big, you really can't put that much weight on. Yonis is not as tall of him, but Yonis is, what, seven foot?

Like he came in as skinny as Wemby And then he's like super muscular out You just grow into like kind of get your man strength Even if he's not trying like Yeah Watching him mature over the years Will be awesome to see Yeah

Imagine him shouldering people too Yeah exactly He's already doing it And like JJ Redick talking about him Before JJ Reddick was coached And was you know kind of mentioned how he's already As far as like maturity He's already there like he's 21

But he's hanging out with monks And he's training with Kevin Garnett He's not taking this not seriously at all but then even on the broadcast, they mentioned he has actually put on weight. It's just one of those things where, you know, like 7-7. He 7-7, yeah, it's like Kevin Durant almost. It's like, hey, Kevin Durant's been in the gym, you know, working out. But then you see him and it's like, well, how come he doesn't have huge muscles like Janus or like LeBron?

And I think that's kind of the comparison here with Wembe is more so like Kevin Durant. When Kevin Durant first came in, they said, hey, you're not going to be able to succeed with that type of build. Couldn't do 135. Yeah, bingo. He couldn't bench one 335. Yeah, like that was the big story. He's screwed obviously now, 15 years later. Kevin Durant's one of the greatest scores in the history of the NBA. Wembe now is kind of on that sort of trajectory, and it's sweet just being able to kind of talk about and celebrate this with everything going on the NBA just because with everything that has happened this morning, that's hogged it.

But Wemby last night is very much worth talking about in spotlighting just because this is going to be appointment. television. Like for me now, I already favored the, you know, the Spurs on my sports app, so I know when they're playing. Like, I want to watch this guy as much as possible when he is healthy just because if, you know, heaven forbid, he does

get hurt or anything like that, I will regret not watching him while he was. And the blood clot thing, that, I mean, that was a scary situation, but then I don't know how you, you get a handle on it and then hopefully you're passing. Yeah, that works. Like David Andrews, he missed an entire NFL season. Yeah, Barmore. He missed an entire NFL season last year with Blood

clots, but, you know, they made it back a year later, and I think that's a very similar situation here. Well, good. Good luck to Wembe, and he's great for the NBA, especially in times right now that the NBA's face. Has anything new popped up in the last 30 minutes or so? No, I think it'll probably be over the next 30 minutes based on... People are being arraigned, right? Yeah. They'll get brought in to the judge, and I guess what presented your charges? Will they get bail? Are they going to be stuck in jail? I don't know. I would imagine they'd post bail. Maybe not. Who knows? We're going to find out. Yeah. What a wild story that we're just...

just scratching the surface, aren't we? Yeah. I wonder if there's some players and coaches that are kind of worried, kind of scared right now. I would assume so. Yeah, me too. What if you just attended one of the... I mean, there's probably some guys pissed off, actually, that played in these poker games. Like, wait, you guys could see my whole cards?

Like, you could... There's a reason I lost every single time. Maybe I'm not a terrible poker player. Yeah, exactly. Like, I'm sure a lot of people this morning are finding out they got screwed over during these games. Oh, man. Well, we're going to pivot because we know NFL is King around here on this show. Thank you, Wembe, and what you're doing.

Everyone else, the NBA. Guys are starting out hot. We have, what, 81 games to go for most of the teams, right? That's right. That's right. It's wild to think of. We got a finals rematch on ESPN tonight. It's OKC at the Pacers, and then the late game is Golden State at, or sorry, the Nuggets.

I like that Nuggets Warriors game is. Both those games are good. Yeah, the debuts for the Pacers and Nuggets. Nice. We'll take that. We want to pivot quickly to the NFL. Lamar Jackson, guys, I believe he is practicing. That is all reports show that today, was today his first day of practice?

Yesterday. Friday's first day, Wednesday, Thursday. He's going to practice today. I guess they'll check him out to see how he's doing. Ty. When you think about this, I know you're, you and Shifty, you know, you do your, the Shifty podcast together. What does he, does he have anything more on this? He pretty much said this morning that Lamar Jackson came out, I think, 20 minutes late to practice yesterday. And he talked to sources inside the building who basically said, like, hey, this isn't, this still isn't a sure thing that he's going to go on Sunday. We want to see where. Hamstring, right? Yeah. We want to see. where he's at after today's practice and then that'll give them a much better feel

and I kind of just asked him like well at one in five like you know the Ravens don't really have a choice they kind of have to start Lamar this was like their entire plan with hey after the bye week our schedule gets a little bit softer so they need him to go but then chef he also brought up he said hey

you know so this is two weeks plus a buy and then one additional practice that Lamar Jackson missed he said you know Jaden Daniels is basically has the almost exact same injury right now or very similar and everyone's body's different but he said you know the commanders have the teeth of their schedule coming up so if you look at it it's like could he miss the most important stretch of their season maybe so and jaden is out they've already ruled him out for a monday night game uh against the chiefs obviously that's a

big one playing the uh can't city chiefs and and patrick mohams and what they are doing but for jaden to be out already i uh man that's a big blow you you cannot, like, if you're a Ravens fan or the Ravens team, like, you can't, you can't lose another one. Like, you can't lose this. Can't go one and six. No. I mean, one and five is a tough hole to dig yourself. One and five is a tough hole. One and six, like, then there's no room for it. Because what, nine and, I guess 10 and seven, nine and eight, like the people have got into the playoffs, but not with like, not with the way the AFC East, the top of the AFC East, top of the AFC South is looking right now. Like you, they can't afford to lose any more. And that's

also assuming that everything goes perfect. Like then all of a sudden the defense starts holding teams to 14 points a game and their offense comes out like yeah there is no room for error so that that's why it's like even if he's at 60 percent you almost have to play lamar on sunday not to mention like to tony's point if we pull up the records of the you know the entire league right now like you look around especially in that wild card race it's so tight where one and six might be too big of a hole you know like b a was on here this week talking about how the bangles are going to get it going you got two teams in the a fc south the jags we also still believe in. And then look at the AFC West, like the Chargers are playing the night

and the Chiefs are the Chiefs, you know? So do we think the Chargers are going to collapse and completely blow up their season to the point where, you know, they're 10 and 7? I just don't know just because the faith in Harbaugh and even the same thing with the bills, like you fully expect the bills to turn it around and go. Yeah, me too. Looking at that right now, I think like if you're the Ravens, I don't even know, like you're, I don't think you're trying to get a wild card because I mean you're obviously behind those three a fc west teams the two aFC south teams the two aFC east teams like you literally have to help that the the Steelers aren't as good as their record is right now and you win the north

like I think winning the north is the only way probably the Ravens get in right now I mean the Ravens just trying to get a win yes yes which let's go let's go one and no this week the old cliche situation what did you think about I mean you were on with us but now a day later just about the veterans taking the toys out yeah I get it I mean I would assume that the veterans were pissed off at how maybe some young guys were handled things that they weren't being a pro. You know, that's the whole thing. Like, be a pro.

And being a pro is no, it's no secret. Like, show up on time. Don't be late to meetings. Do what you say you're going to do. Like, be accountable to your teammates and just do the right thing. So I'd assume, I don't know, the little things were slipping here and there. I don't know, guys, I guess I could see. See, I never really played in a locker room that had even ping pong tables.

And when I was in Green Bay for nine years, we didn't have anything. We had, like, the little guys. to play the little roll of dice game. What is it? They play cribbage. Yachti? And other ones. No, not Yachti, but that's what I thought of before I.

But no, I don't know. They all talk about it. I never played it. We didn't have any games like that, so I don't know. But I understand vets wanting to get stuff out of there if they feel like young guys maybe can't handle it. Like, you guys think this is Disneyland here. Like, we're one in five right now.

We're a terrible football team. Yeah, Keith Bullock, who had a hysterical tweet about, and I don't think we have it, but it was just about how like, yeah, we do. actually. It's essentially just, where is it? Yeah, in 2005, we were terrible. Four and 12, young, what is it? Cats. Yeah, young cats. They was always playing Mario Carter some shit in the locker room during break one time. They paused the game to play where they left off after practice. Man, I broke that system to pieces. Fuck that video game. We out here losing. Like that type of stuff, reading that is when it's like, okay, I could see, you know, not a Marlon

Humphrey but a Kyle Van Noy going in there like hey I don't know why we're still dicking around with all this stuff like get it out of here but like does that feel a little bit like an overreaction maybe get some of the things out like I don't know it's probably probably a couple weeks in the making when the whoever the that's where we're talking about hey man we can get this stuff out of here these guys don't know they don't know what it's like they don't know how to prepare something like that anytime you're losing you're going to do something you're going to change something they're going to figure it out oh I got put white laces in my cleats this week that's going to make us win okay we don't know

One guy that does know, Tone, that does understand what it means to win, we got him on the line here. He's going to be on the call tonight, huge game. Obviously, Vikings at Chargers from SoFi. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Kirk Herb Street. Yeah. What's up? What's up we doing?

We're doing great, Kirk. How you? What's it like out there? Obviously, we know your travels are documented, you know, throughout every single week. It's unbelievable. I know I think Peter, Mitch, you got multiple dogs making the trip this week. I don't know if they're with you now. I don't know if they're joining you, a game day, whatever it might be.

but what's it like out there? And what was it like, I assume, you talk to both these coaching staffs? Yeah, Peter's with me right now. We're flying back to Nashville tonight after the game with Game Day and Vandy. And I'm going to first time bring the other guys out to say hello to some people on Saturday. But this game is interesting. You know, Minnesota is a team that I think we're all very excited about what they can be and who they can be this year.

your photo there of Carson Wentz? That was a big question. Was J.J. McCarthy was his ankle going to be ready to go? Would they green light him this week or maybe wait another week? Turns out Carson will continue to go. He's two and two as a starter filling in for J.J. McCarthy. And yet, I mean, they've had offensive line injuries, just like a lot of teams at this point. You guys know what it's like following your teams and just the entire league. We get to this point in the season. But some have been hit a lot harder than others. And these are two really good examples of teams that are just trying to hold on, trying to survive and getting a little healthier. But, you know, the Chargers

started 3-0. They've lost three of their last four. They're reeling a bit and a big opportunity after an incredibly disappointing game, as you guys saw against Jonathan Taylor and the Colts, who just, I mean, they did really anything they wanted to offensively against the Chargers defense, whether it was running or Daniel Jones making good decisions. That's a whole different story. I know you guys are enjoying what Indy's been about, but the Chargers are reeling, and sometimes when you're reeling, AJ, you probably live this, sometimes those short weeks that are often dreaded by players. Sometimes you're looking forward to just getting back out there and trying to get that bad taste out of your mouth. And my sense is that's, that's kind of

where the Chargers defense is. Yeah, I would assume, yeah, I think anytime you get beat, you cannot wait to get back out there and try to figure things out and make it right, I guess. When you watch this Chargers offense and defense play, I guess, but their offense in general, like specifically, you said they lost the last, they've lost three out of the last four. Like, what's going on with them? What do they have to do, I guess, to turn this thing around tonight? Well, I just talked to Greg Roman this morning, the offensive coordinator, and their entire investment of this offseason was to get better in the backfield. And they, you know, got O'Mary and Hampton from North Carolina and brought Naji Harris. from Pittsburgh. They just thought, you know, they wanted to get back to being a great running team,

take some of the heat off of the passing game and Justin Herbert. And then Slater gets hurt in camp. Roshan Slater, one of the best left tackles in the game, gets hurt in camp. And now that was a massive blow to just their culture, their DNA. So they took Joe Alt, who's a stud from Notre Dame at right tackle. They had to move him over to left tackle. And that really impacted things, I think. And then he gets hurt. So they've been playing like their fifth and sixth offensive tackle in recent weeks. And yet they're still a top five offense. So they went from being, hey, let's run the football. Let's get two tight ends. And then we'll take it off of Herbert. As you see in that photo or that video there, Herbert's gotten hit more than any quarterback in the entire league because they've had to

abort who they want to be, their identity, which is running the ball and let Herbert compliment the running game. They've gone back to who they were as a offense before Harbaugh and Roman got there, which would spread people out and make him throw the time. I think they were down last week. He threw it 55 times last week, and it's just not who they want to be. So they've been banged up up front at the offensive line. They've lost three of their top four running backs, and so a lot of it has been on all the

passing game. So now they go up against Brian Flores and a Vikings defense, as we all know, that loves the pressure and loves to come after you. So be interesting to see kind of the game plan that they come up with to try to negate that pressure package that Flores and the Vikings like to play with. Todd Schmidt, you got something? Yeah, Kirk, you mentioned the quarterback situation and how he didn't maybe know if it was going to be Carson or JJ.

Whether it's who you've talked to or kind of just your opinion of the whole thing, what do you think is the ultimate plan, I guess, for the Vikings with their quarterback situation? A lot of people saying the whole JJ McCarthy is like a soft benching, if you will, and they're kind of just going to let Carson, you know, find his feet. And then obviously you have what Sam Darnold's doing in Seattle that's kind of just rubbing it in a little bit. But do you get, do you have it like any feel that, hey, if Carson wins goes out there, looks good tonight and kind of maybe strings together a couple wins?

Like, does he have the chance here to maybe be the Viking starter for the rest of the season? Are they still all, you know, gung-ho on JJ and he'll be back whenever he's, I guess, healthier than he is now? I mean, Ty, you know this division. I mean, it's your team's in there and you follow it closely. I think what you're alluding to is you almost have to read between the lines. No one is coming out, including O'Connell, and saying that, hey, here's what we think. I think they're talking strictly about the ankle and his availability. And no one's saying that Carson Wentz, who's two and two right now, has a chance to be the guy.

I will say this, I know J.J. McCarthy in that opener against Chicago didn't play great. He had that nice quarter late to be able to pull out the win. But if you guys go back to that game, the reason I've been a big fan of J.J. McCarthy's is the juice that he brings the way his team believes in him. And if you saw the reaction that night, you had defensive players coming down. You know, J.J. or Justin Jefferson, like, everybody responds to him. So I think there's a lot there to. alike. I think there's a lot there to think about the potential of what he and this offense can be with him as a starting quarterback. But I think what you're alluding to is fair. I mean, what if he, what if, what if Carson Wentz goes out tonight and just plays awesome? What if he's hitting everything, making good decisions, not turning the ball over, and they get out with a win? And then, and then next week, you're going to, you know, they're going to ask Kevin O'Connell, what's going on with the ankle, is JJ McCarthy? Because it sounded like it was almost right on the edge of being able to pull the trigger and play him this week.

So if that's the case, you get a mini-buy on a Thursday night game for next Sunday. Why wouldn't he be ready to go next week, regardless of what Carson Wentz does, if he's your guy? Now, now I step back for a second. When you have a high ankle sprain, you're getting mental reps, but you're not – he hasn't – think about in two years. Forget playing. He hasn't gotten practice, just developmental practice. practice of getting reps and you just wonder how much that has slowed down his potential growth.

So I don't know, I don't think it's Jay Jim Carsey's a miss on a draft pick. I think it's more of we got this guy Carson Wentz that's functioning pretty well. We got our other guy that we think is going to be the guy, but he's not even on the practice field. So how do we go from a guy who's, let's say, three and two as a starter to a guy that's not had any reps? I don't know. I understand kind of the spot that he's in right now as a head coach and play caller. But I think it's a fair discussion for Minnesota media and fans to wonder where is this heading two weeks from now, three weeks from now. Are we waiting for Carson Wentz to implode and then you go to JJ McCarthy or is it not even matter what Wentz does at some point they're going to go to their guy because they believe in him despite not getting a whole lot of reps.

Yeah, Kirk, when you watch this Vikings team, obviously you talk to Kevin O'Connell. What separates him as a coach? We know, like, the old saying, you could plug anybody in there at QB, it feels like, and Kevin O'Connell is going to get them right. He's going to give them a good chance to be successful. Like, from talking to him and watching him, what is it that makes him special? I think it's just, you always hear that saying quarterback-friendly offense. I think it's because of the way they attack.

They don't put it all on the quarterback. they run the football typically when they're healthy and by the way Aaron Jones will be back tonight which is a massive deal when they picked up Jordan Mason last year from San Francisco what they envisioned is taking some of the heat off of Aaron Jones and letting them be a tandem and a combination and so you have that now with him coming back so I think that's great but I think the reason these Kirk Cousins and you know what we've seen under

Kevin O'Connell with Sam Darnold the reason he's able to do that is because you got great personnel around the position. They don't put everything on the quarterback. They run the ball. They boot. They naked. They play action. Their dropback game is rhythmic. Timing. Get the ball out. They give you answers as a quarterback. So I think he's one of the better play callers, in my opinion, in the NFL and does as good a job as anybody at diagnosing a defense and knowing how to attack it and finding its weaknesses. So you've got a Chargers defense that's more than capable of playing better than they have in recent weeks. I think they've lost a little bit of their mojo and confidence.

And like I said earlier, I think a short week getting Khalil Mack back, you know, he played 12 snaps last week just as a pass rusher. And meanwhile, even at 34 years old, he still sets the edge and is really physical. Denzel Perryman came back last week. So I think some pieces are coming back. But to answer your question, I just think Kevin O'Connell does a really good job of providing answers and not making the quarterback feel like. We're going to go as you go. You know, I think there's enough weapons around that position. Think about it.

You got Justin Jefferson, arguably the top receiver in the entire league on one side. Jordan Addison on the other. You got T.J. Hawkinson, who's getting more and more healthier as far as that ACL. He's recovering from. Jalen Naylor. You got Jordan Mason, Aaron Jones. I mean, there's a lot there, and I think it makes the quarterback feel like, okay, I don't have to feel like I got to play Superman ball for us to be able to move the football. And if you watch Sam Darnel last year, he seemed to have, he'd get back, one hitch, falls out.

You know, he gives these quarterbacks confidence because he gives them answers. Yeah, I think we're all excited to watch the Carson Wentz experience tonight. We know that that guy's going to have a few extended plays where he stumbles around. He finds away, and who knows, maybe it'll be a 70-yard completion. Maybe something else may happen, Kirk. We're going to pivot. Tony Day's got something about college football he wants to question you on. Yeah, Kirk, I saw your top five.

I love your top five. You have the four undefeated teams, obviously, Ohio State, Indiana, A&M, Georgia Tech. Then you put BAMA at 5, your first non- undefeated team. BYU is going to be pissed at you. I know they are. But I wanted to ask you about just the top 25 in the rankings in general. Because when it comes to like the college football playoff and they're not going to do their rankings, I believe it's early November that they do theirs, like they're going to use,

I think there's seven or eight teams that were in the top 25 week one who are not in the top 25. now, and they're going to use those week one wins against top 25 teams as a metric. Are you someone that because there's a lot of people now talking, hey, we shouldn't do rankings until at least October, stuff like that. Where do you fall in all of this and then counting

like those top 25 wins early in the season for the college football playoff down the line? I don't think anybody looks at Ohio State, at least I don't think the committee should look at Ohio State as an example beating Texas and say, hey, they were the number, whatever they or one or two teams in a country.

I think if you're sitting there on that committee, that's part of your job. And the reason we don't just rely on computers is for them to look at, okay, Texas is now down at 22. That doesn't mean Texas couldn't slide up by the end of the year. But for now, that win doesn't feel as heavy as it did in the opening week. I'm a fan of preseason rankings. I'm a Reds fan. You know, I see AJ's talk.

Baseball season is typically over for me, usually well before the 4th of July. So I'm jonesing for some news and some stuff to talk about. So if an AP poll comes out in the second or third week in August and gets us to get excited about college football, I personally have no problem with it. I have the ability to look at a preseason poll. And after five weeks of football, six, seven weeks, I don't even know what happened in the preseason. I don't give a shit about the preseason. I'm watching football like right now. Like I watch every single week and I have an opinions that change.

And oh, that's the team I thought they were. I guess they're not that team. Penn State is an example of that. Or a team like BYU. You know, they lose their quarterback in a middle of camp and they got to find a freshman Bear Bachmire who no one really knew what he could do and all of a sudden, wow, look at BYU. You know, am I going to hold on to my preseason thoughts on week one rankings of BYU? No, no, no. It's like, no, of course not. I'm looking at BYU, kicking ass, taking names and what they've done over the last five or six weeks. So I think it's a lot of. of just nothing else to talk about. Let's talk about how unfair preseason polls are. I don't have

any issue with them at all. I think we can all adjust accordingly to actually watching football and the teams that end up being overrated, they think in the rankings or they drop out. And I don't think the committee gets caught up in preseason rankings at all when it comes to eventually early November after eight or nine weeks by then a football of where they're going to stack those teams. Kirk, what about you had some hot takes about Indiana and their Adidas uniforms. Have you come around on that at all? Has anyone come at you a little bit?

I don't know. What do you think? So did you, AJ. Yeah, I kind of, I kind of co-signed with you, Kirk. Yeah, well, I see your shirt there, your hoodie you got on. I made it pretty clear. I just, I have nothing. Bro, I got nothing against Adidas.

I don't, I'm, you know, when I was younger, I was incredibly loyal and just and all about Nike guy, thanks to growing up into Michael Jordan era. But I'm not as passionate about it, but I know what I see, I know when I look at a uniform, if a uniform is tight, if it looks good. You know what recruits see, too, Kirk.

You know what these high school recruits are watching that too. Well, again, I don't know. High school recruit, I don't know what's cool. Well, the fit, you know, like it's true. It's got a fit. So my brother played at Miami, Ohio, Ohio, you. He said they came out to warm-ups when they played big teams. They played Michigan,

and I believe Ohio State won. He said they talked about, yeah, Iowa. He said they came out to warm-ups, and they were like, him and his team and said, look how tight their jerseys are. Look how their pants actually fit. Like, they talked about how nice it all fit them and how, like, it looked at first spots. Remember when you played on the Wii Elks? Do you remember that?

Oh, yeah, come on. And there was a couple guys on the team that, like, in fifth grade, their pants just, they just weren't working. They're almost down to their calves. They're just too big and baggy. Yep. That's what the Adidas uniform looks like to me. me. It looks like the Little League uniform where the kids just don't quite fit into their

uniform. And again, it's nothing against Adidas. I don't know anybody from Adidas. I have no loyalty to anybody. I'm just going by what I see. And what I see is just not a good uniform. We get it. We get it. Conman, you got something? Yeah, Kirk unfortunately, it doesn't matter because Mendoza is spinning the pill in that uniform. So I don't think they really care. Bro, I got him. I had him at one last week in the country. It's just, Ohio State's been so consistent. It's hard to not have them at one based on their potential.

But Indiana, listen, what they did at Oregon, in 60 minutes, they impressed me than anything. The culmination of all they did last year and all they did this year up to that game. They completely won me over and everybody over, if you watched them, going into Eugene and winning that game. So they're legit. They're real. The city exploded. after that game, and they won, especially with what the Colts are doing now, Kirk.

But something kind of came through the wire today. An SEC ref, Ken Williamson, was permanently suspended. The decision to remove the longtime referee comes in the immediate wake of an SEC review of 11 complaints against Williams, Williamson, excuse me, from the Auburn, Georgia game. Now, I believe it was last year on Thursday night football. You were calling the Vikings game

against the Rams in L.A. and that game kind of ended controversially with the face mask of Darnold. I don't know if it was Thursday night football, but it might... It was, yeah. Okay, yeah, I thought so. Something like this seems to be

incredibly forward-thinking, if you will, when it comes to the referee situation, and there's been others as well. But when you see something like this that the SEC is doing, do you think that is something that will ever be kind of universally done by sports, not just

the NFL, not just, you know, college football, but all sports across the board, you know, the MLB, you know, the MLB ref, or excuse me, umpire during the Blue Jays, Mariner's game was kind of scrutinized for the same pitch, one being called a ball, the other being called a strike, and then there are situations that pop up all over when it comes to refs in sports. What do you kind of think about that situation? And also, real quick, thanks for coming on and talking to the bugle boys. We know this show sucks without Pat. coming on, actually makes it much better.

We very much appreciate it, Kirk. Man, I'll join you guys anytime. I love you guys. I would say, I don't know how you feel about this, Connor. I look at this where I don't mind, you know, the bang, bang, play at first base without going to replay. I don't mind the human air. I don't mind, and I've had my teams, you know, that I cheer for,

get the bad end of that. But I think there's certain calls that I, I think that's part of the game, you know, where before the replay or a guy makes a, it's a call in a gray area and it could go this way or that way and it's the end of the world. With that being said, that's kind of like the way I always grew up and just, you know, it's part of the game. I hate blaming referees or umpires for games. Amen. But with that being said, I do think that if a guy has consistently had, uh, rough outings where a league or a conference has to call coach or call an athletic director

and basically apologize for for miss and that that happens at a regular rate then I think this is as you said groundbreaking I can you guys remember anything like this or a guy in the middle of a season is asked to like take a seat I've never heard of it. anything like that. I think it's holding, you talk about holding players and coaches and everybody accountable. Referees have always never really had to deal with that, maybe in the offseason, but not in season. So I think it's an eye-opener. I'm a referee guy. I'm pro-referee. I think fans get way too emotional about it, but I'm interested to see what this leads to. And if we end up, you know, this is kind of like that first example.

you start to see it more and more not just in college football but all around sports Kirk I don't know if you saw you don't have to dive into it we're going to let you roll here in a second but there's NBA's dealing with some stuff huh some stuff we haven't seen a long time like this is wild isn't it yeah I don't know I've been I've been digging into this game so I don't know all the I just seen some of the headlines what you guys can you guys could shed some light what there was there was there was the mafia involved I saw and close no star yeah yeah the Chauncey Billups allegedly, allegedly, they're being arraigned today was what Sean's told us. Chauncee Billups allegedly kind of fixing illegal poker games.

And AJ made the point like it's already an illegal game. And then they're doing illegal stuff on top of it. And then Terry Rozier is more so allegedly. That's actually on the court, right? Yeah, Terry's on the court. Yeah, similar to Jonte Porter, if you remember from the Raptors last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think a lot of people with the access to, at least to the sports betting, not the stuff going on with a card game, but the sports betting stuff.

I think a lot of people have been alluding to the slippery slope and how this could very easily lead to some issues. And maybe this will be something that sends a clear message that people are watching. And, you know, you've got to be super careful with what you're doing. and yeah it's just anything that happens in the news nothing necessarily really i think surprises any of us we're just so used to one thing after another uh it it takes a lot for us to all say holy cow can you believe this but this one definitely makes you think um how deep does it go is this going to be a domino effect potentially and are there other people you know out there that maybe go down as well, but I hate to see it. I think it's awful.

Yeah, I'm sure the league is scrambling behind the scenes, obviously trying to figure everything out right now. Kirk, we know you will be on the call tonight. Obviously, Vikings at Chargers and then flying tomorrow, Missouri, at Vanderbilt. You pump for tomorrow, especially, Kurt? I mean, Saturday game, buddy. I am. I'm looking forward to, I think, the one time, I've lived in Nashville since 2011. The one time we were there for the show was 2008, when I was still living in U.A. And so it's been a long time since we've been there, but Diego Pavia and Clark Lee have created that.

And by the way, Missouri needs to be a big part of, I mean, they're a top 15 team coming off a tough loss last week, but I think they're a team that's fired up from listening to their coach. Drink seems to be playing the disrespect card, but they're going to come in ready to roll. And then I fly to Baton Rouge after game day, so it seems like a home game, but I got to go down to Baton Rouge, not have to. I get to.

go down to Baton Rouge for Texas A&M, who I think three, if I'm not mistaken, against, you know, LSU teams that already has a couple losses. They're in desperation mode for a win. So I'll be calling that one Saturday night with Chris and Holly and our crew on ABC. How about these ABC games, guys, every single week? What's Baton Rouge like at night, Kirk? I've never been there even during it ever. That's got to be amazing. You got to bring your boys down there for that.

and your wife. I mean, you guys would love it just because you're, your football, crazy people. I mean, just to be able to take it in and see it, it's, you're splitting hairs when you talk about the shoe at night. If it's a bit, you know, if Ohio State's playing Northwestern verse when they're playing a team that's, you know, a top five team, you know, the difference, right? And LSU, all these places are the same way. It's deafening, you know, it's the white out, LSU at night, especially right now when they're playing a number three team in a country. it's awesome it's just you know you can smell bourbon in the air you can smell the smokers outside or cooking it's a very festive different kind of atmosphere that i love going to every single time we get a chance to get down there yeah that's some place i'll hopefully get to at some point but kirk

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Yeah, he's got a pretty good travel situation going on throughout the week. So usually he's Wednesday every week. He's had a lot of, he's been to Seattle, L.A. He's had a lot of, on. Coast, coast. Yeah, he's not even calling Like game day He's at a couple NFL games

West Coast Oregon West Coast Where he has then Had his game East Coast or whatever He's the schedule hasn't really fared him yet What year is this for him doing a Thursday night prime? I think he said four

Yeah four It's pretty awesome Pretty amazing He doesn't feel that one It doesn't I mean Wemby's in his third year Right Yeah that doesn't feel like that

I feel like I watched him get drafted Seriously Yeah it's even like when we talked about Zion and John Moran yesterday It's like you think these guys are, you know, about to be 30 and then you realize they're 25 and 26. It's like so much of the time, I feel like just because we were in it every day, like the time feels like it goes by a little faster. And then when you look at like the actual years of one, these kids were these kids. But Zion and John.

Yeah, they are kids compared to me. That's for sure. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. And it's just insane. But, I mean, the fourth year now, too, like good for them finally getting good game after good game. They really went through the bullshit. terrible prime time for a while. Was Prime doing a deal when they were,

was it Prime when they were doing the whole color rush situation? No, that was a NFL network. I think I played in the first Thursday night NFL game. We played the Cowboys, 2000-something, Aaron stepped in. Was that the first one they ever did? I don't know if it was the first one. But I remember, yeah, Barb getting hurt and he came in

and Aaron came in and played great. The Cowboys end up winning, but it was a Thursday night. There's that clip of Collinsworth being like, boy, there are in trouble if he's got to play. Yeah, then Aaron came in. was slinging it. Yeah, they're like two touchdowns and yeah, he looked great. Here we are. Yeah, speaking of Aaron, Aaron is playing, he's playing

his old squad. Packers are coming to town, coming to Pittsburgh to play Aaron Rogers and the Pittsburgh Steelers. I believe Aaron's out there talking is there animosity tone? Is there anything going on? Run that, Foxy. I don't have any animosity toward the organization.

Obviously I wish that you know, things have been better in our last year there but, you know, I have a great relationship with a lot of people still in that and this is not a revenge game for me. I'm just excited to see some of those guys and be on Sunday night football again. Have your feelings toward the organization evolved

the longer you've been away from them that not feeling animosity? Is that something you kind of had to work to feel, work to get to this point? We're always working on ourselves and trying to be better than we were. Previous day, previous month, previous year. The best of me.

Absence makes the heart grow fonder, maybe. You know, I have a lot of great memories from my time there. A lot of great interactions with fans over the years, you know, living in Green Bay, living in Swamaco, living in Hobart, going to chives, being out and about. Seeing people with the bigly wiggily when I'm shopping for groceries. I grew up there. I spent 18 years there from 21 to 39, so I'm thankful for my time there. Obviously, we would have loved to ride off on the sunset after a Super Bowl win, but that's not the way to lead go. times. And, you know, I knew the writing was on the wall when Jordan was picked. And as a matter

of time, I happened to win MVP the first two years he was with us. But I knew at some point there would be a change. And if I wanted to play, it'd probably have to be elsewhere. So I understand the situation. What do you think, Tony Diggs? You believe him? No animosity? He seems very happy in that clip. He does seem very happy. He's in a good spot right now. But no, why would he have any animosity? Like, yes. Time he was all. Yeah. And it's been a while. Like, I think, I think there was potentially some animosity when the decision was made to leave there. But, yeah, at this point, no. If this game was in Green Bay, it would be a little different.

Going back to Lambo would be, he mentioned like the, you know, a bunch of, you know, landmark, the pigly-wiggly. That's the grocery store there. Chives where we went. Yeah, we've been to try to coach with Big Mike. It was great. That's Aaron's spot always. But yeah, I don't know. What does have to have, I do have to say I came on yesterday because it hadn't been announced yet.

the Steelers are wearing their yellow helmets with their throwback, but luckily the Packers are wearing all whites. They're going to be having white helmets on, so we don't have double yellow helmet game. So it's color rush for the Packers. Yes. Yeah, pretty much. Color Rush for the Packers, Steelers, old school, throwback. The Starm warning. Yeah, second week

in row, we have to play a team, is wearing all white. So that's kind of bullshit, I guess. I saw Ben claims that Aaron's one pick maybe because of that, but I saw there's a video. It wasn't really anywhere near the white painting on the field. I love Ben staying enough for Aaron and for his squad. I really do. Yeah, I think like, because there was videos of them talking and meeting on the field during camp and during practices.

And I'm sure they've talked about it. But, yeah, I mean, Ben has always respected Aaron. He's going to stand up for the quarterback in the city. Yeah, and it might be from one of those bullshit fake accounts that tweet stuff like ML football and JPM football. But allegedly the Steelers want Rogers to play in 2026. Actually, no, I think that was from, and I could be wrong, because I did see it from one of those accounts, but they actually gave credit to someone. I think it was Jeremy Fowler, who is a legitimate reporter.

And by the way that he's played so far, apparently he's leading meetings on Thursday. He's in front of the room. They do player-led meetings on Thursday, and Aaron's basically leading the team. Yes, today as we speak. So everything has gone swimmingly as far as Aaron is concerned this year with the team.

I mean, four touchdowns because the Bengals, but he couldn't, you know, Joe Flacco. Well, he couldn't see. He couldn't see that one point. Yeah, of course. see that because they painted the walls too yeah you're right that was bull oh you're right a lot of white out i was there i could see how you got confused i can see that's that kind of bullshit shenanigans that you guys do over in that city kirk was i didn't get to ask kirk

i was i texted before that game last week i went to the bengals stealers game at paycore stadium in Cincinnati i didn't get to see kirk pregame my kids got to go out on the field i was stuck in a traffic jam in a separate car pulling out and ride my way into the stadium so i didn't get to see kirk on the field but uh i can't even see the bengals players in this Geez, where are they? Was he wide open? Oh, no, there's a guy right behind. Oh, see the walls?

Look how white they are. You can barely see. They are white. And the crowd. That's kind of bullshit. Yeah. I don't know if there's a whole lot to stand on with Ben's argument, but I get it. It makes sense.

It really does. And of course, why wouldn't you want Aaron back? Look how he's moving around. Look how he feels. And, I mean, it could easily be. Through the both 70 yards. I don't think that's an issue. Yeah, bingo.

Crow hopping into it. So that, when Aaron did that, that was the longest ball thrown in the air in the NFL or that Aaron's thrown? In the NFL. I first thought, that's the longest that he's thrown since 2017 when he was playing. But no, it's everybody in the league. It's not like you got a huge crow hop.

He's got like one and a half little crow hop into that. And he had a guy kind of right in front of him too. I can't even see that. Yeah. We can't see anything there, right? No. There might be 15 guys. Oh, man.

That's got to be cheating, isn't it? I mean, this is an absolute huck. It's awesome. They said, what, 70 air yards? But if that thing were to have landed, it would have been a couple yards in the other. Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, yeah, if you're him, you know, because you kind of have to take the Achilles year out completely. Like, I think he envisioned that as one of like the, and even last year, even last year with how bad they were. It's like,

is he, maybe he's not leading after Stafford through five, but like he's top five in the NFL and touchdown passes right now. Like he clearly can still play. And for all intents and purposes, like he's loved being in Pittsburgh so far. It seems like he loves all of his teammates. He obviously loves coach tomlin so yeah i mean if he can stay healthy like why not basically play until you feel like you know if he goes out there and and he feels physically he feels good and like mentally he feels sharp but then like if he's you know just not able to produce that's one thing he's still playing at as high of a level as you could ask as long as roger jones doesn't kill him yeah there's a chance well i saw erin he's good erin's erin loves his passion loves he gets excited he said i'm 41

he can't be tackling you from behind he's saying hey i love it but i took roger jones he's just punch him in the chest. Get it there and just let it in front of them. He don't want to get tackled from behind. That's the thing. If you like, hey, bomb,

punch him in his chest or the stomach maybe. That'll get him very excited, I think. Or maybe punch him in the elbow or the shoulder. There's that little, there's a little celebration we're all used to. Well, who's supposed to win this game, Tone? The Packers are favored by three at Pittsburgh. What do you think is going to happen?

I think the Packers are, the way that the Steelers defense is playing, I think the Packers are the better football team, but this is one that the Steelers traditionally win, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did win in this one. Yeah, and Tony knows his Steelers. That was my big takeaway from last week after the Bengals beat the Steelers. Tony basically said the whole day, like, yeah, this is a game of Steelers loose.

So be careful, and I wasn't careful. I thought the Steelers were going to win. Yeah, and quick pivot, the dynamic kickoff situation, I want to make sure we touch on this before the hard out. So the kickoff, the NFL is claiming that they have this whole thing figured out, right? John, man, what are they saying with us? Well, and that's kind of what it seems like. 79.3% of kickoffs have been returned.

Which is what we wanted. We want stuff returned. We want it in play. We want to make it a football play. Yes, you just didn't want it to be kicked through the end zone. And the fact that now it's, you know, damn near 80% of kickoffs are being returned. That's incredible highest rates since 2006, 32 returns of at least 40 yards. And that's something that's really changed the game.

I'm like we've seen situations now where the kickoff has won and lost games, both not being able to get the ball through the back of the end zone and guys being able to return it to the 40 and it's a couple plays and all of a sudden you're in field goal range. So it is, you know, it does seem as though the dynamic kickoff after a couple of years here is the answer. Now the other thing they're working on is the on-site kick thing. I think it was, you know, one of 20 or one of 120 kick on-site kicks have actually

been recovered. So now at the owner's meetings, they're kind of, you know, you know, playing with, again, the fourth and 15 proposal about doing that as a play instead of the on-site kick. That one's just kind of up in the air. Who knows what happens there? But from the kickoff perspective, I'm kind of used to it now where it doesn't really look that weird. You know exactly what you're getting.

It still looks kind of weird. Were you on the hands team? Yeah. Like, I mean, I guess it's because of injuries and stuff like that. Like, why can't we just go back to the old onsite? We can definitely do the onsite because you don't, they don't, they don't, they don't. like the running collisions we have we've got 30 40 yards gaining ground and then bam those collisions that's what I feel like they're taking that's what's

dangerous those are the scariest hits with the onside what do you have 10 yards they're running I was always the front line so my job was to block the dude yeah I'm gonna block it and guess what Jordan Nelson's standing behind me hopefully I know he's gonna get it so I'm gonna go block this dude but we only have maybe 10 yards between us that's doable we can we don't want 40 50 yards guys sailor diving and knocking themselves out in the wedge that's what they wanted to get rid of I just don't understand why we can't go back to that and why teams have to declare it before they kick it.

I agree. It's dumb, I think. That's one of the most electric plays in a game, and it's completely been eliminated. Like, you never, or if, like, you're a team that is down by a couple scores, like, you are never thinking, like, oh, there's a chance we're going to recover an on side kick. Like, you're not. You're not going to get it. Before we're hard out, I want to see,

I believe we have a graphic with Coach Mike McCarthy's pick for tonight somewhere and I believe Pat's pick because I'm going to make a pick for the game tonight. We just got done talking to Kirk Herb Street. I'm not sure. Man, when Big Mike talks about these games I know he doesn't, any division robberies, he's tough, but

where's Mike going? Here we go. This is the first time we're seeing this. He's got Vikings plus three and a half. Vikings with the points, I believe. Yeah, I have a little blurb from him here. He said, if the charters go out there to Vikings corners like the Eagles did, that could be an issue. Okay. Lurr runs the ball to best and a most will win.

The obvious factor is obviously going to be the turnover ratio battle. That's going to factor in a game. Like you mentioned, AJ, it's not the vision game, but that's still too many points. That's why he likes the Vikings. Vikings at what? What is that again? Three and a half. They're getting three and a half?

You know what? Coach Mike, I'm going to take the Vikings as well. I don't know what Pat picked yet. I'm not sure. Do we? Oh, okay. Please, believe me, I had no clue. I will say this, Pat.

You're welcome. You can get Chargers minus three. Boom. You have a minus three. That's a big deal. That is a big deal. It is a huge deal. All right. So myself, Coach Mike McCarthy, we're on the Vikings. Pat is on the Chargers.

Minus three, yeah. Minus three? Okay. I mean, that four-runs-old. Let's do it, Carson. Let's do it, Carson. Yeah, I love it, man. I can't wait to bet on Carson Wentz to throw for 400 yards.

Probably not the time to say that, but I can't win for it to have. It had been the dogs as well. They had won, I think, seven of eight until Thursday night football. last week and when the Bengals continued that, but then Sunday night football, and then both games on Monday night, the favorites one. I mean, I understand these trends. I understand all of that when it comes to gambling,

but in the moment, in the night, when they're out there playing, it has nothing to do with any of it. Nothing matters. But if you're strictly just going, what, analytics, shaking the trends. You've got to let people have all the information, let them decide. You're a fool not to look at the information. You should look at it, right? How hard do you look at it?

If you don't learn from the past, you're doomed to repeat it, AJ. Who said that? I believe that was Albert Einstein. Was it really? Or Thomas Jefferson. Thomas, yeah, well, you never know. We don't know. We're up against the hard out.

We're not sure who said anything at any point in the history of this great, beautiful country. But we will be here tomorrow. We appreciate you guys watching. See you tomorrow. Dude. Well done, Hoggall. I should have said digital, all that stuff. I missed all that.

But, you know, we're talking ball. And also, when you do miss all that, that's why Nick posts a cool bottom thing up because it says it all in there just in case. Thank you, Nick. Nick, always looking out for me. I appreciate you, boys. It was George Centenniana. Originally, of 1905, and then Winston Churchill made it a little more phase. There it did.

I mean, those presidents had speechwriters way back in the day. No, they, no. Going back to the first president, I assume, right? FDR never did. You're telling, you think George Washington, you fucking, you don't know shit about George Washington. You think they had enough ink to be writing with their quills to be? I don't know. I'm just checking.

In real time, I'm just asking questions. That came straight from the top of the dome. Yeah, actually, funny enough, there is a sweet new George Washington show coming out on HBO. It's like a whole entire show about George Washington's life. Does it start with the tree? The trees in it. The tree's in it. The cherry tree is there. I think.

But it is him basically as a, you know, teenager becoming. What was he like as a teenager? A dog. A fucking legend. Yeah. Yeah. What kind of question is that? I would like to know.

Who do you think we're talking about? Washington the president. I want to know George Washington the kids. Watch the series then, dickhead. I don't know. Comes out soon. I'm assuming president's day. Hopefully he's not too boring, too. We kind of... Oh, yeah. George Washington is a boring life. Good Lord. Christ. I didn't say anything about it. I mean, okay, I think we have something about these speechwriters. Who else do you want to question today? Gandhi. Judson Welliver is generally credited as his first presidential speech writer,

They're serving as a literary cork for president. Okay, Warren G. Harding. Okay. They have it. 21. World War I. First person hired specifically of this role, beginning of modern presidential speech writing.

So that's a big deal now. Yeah. And if I remember correctly, Warren G. Harding was a big fucking fatso. So that would make sense that he was lazy and he needed someone else to write a speech for him. Yeah. Okay. That checks a lot of boxes.

Have you seen the King's speech? I have no. No, the movie from back in the day that won all those awards? Yeah, bingo. Very cool. Is it actually good. Yeah, very, very good, especially because it. it's a topic that is boring writing speeches for a king or whatever but the uh the entire story

because he was a king with a speech impediment and so it wasn't just a speech who played the king in that Colin Firth there it is I just remember I think I remember seeing a trailer when he's like doing burpees or pushups yes yes exactly isn't that real yeah yeah is everything they do in the movie is what the king actually did to beat his stammer because obviously very important you know the king talking and this is in England royal family's complete bullshit. So this is a true story? Yeah, it's a true story. The king, you know, he had a stutter. His older brother was, you

decided not to be the king, so he had to be the king. And back then, really just radio. So the only thing people really heard from you was what you were saying and because he had a stutter people made fun of him and all that shit. And then the king's speech the entire movie is just about, you know,

Kings, speech writing rather, for Kings and just him himself. It's a very unique situation because he had a stutter, but him himself, like, working out his stutter in order to deliver his first speech as king. So he beat it. Yeah. It is a very, very, yeah, it's a very good.

If you're telling me that's a good movie, because in the moment, I remember watching thinking, I see a lot of these other movies I've actually watched that should win these awards, but that one won a lot of awards. Yes. And that one, I would say, like, deserve just because it was uniquely and good. Yeah, Oscar Babe, for sure. You probably wouldn't be able to mentally comprehend it, so I don't know if you would enjoy it. Very much.

I struggle with access. You know that. I know. I know. No, it's good. It's good, though. I don't know. Something to think about. But again, I mean, tonight's fucking Vikings' Chargers.

So, no, tonight's about movies. Maybe on your way home, I'll drive home. Yeah, maybe when they drive home, it'll keep me awake. You think it will? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Boy, we're kind of in the danger zone now with you, Hans. You're driving away from the sun, though.

All right, though. Right? You know what? I'm right into this. I realize it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Really? Or where the sun is if your body's shutting down and

Tony didn't take a nap. He'd say, hey, pull off into that gas station the side of the road. You might need to sleep for 12 minutes. How often do you do that? Depends how much I'm driving, but now I'm not, now, I used to fight through. I used to power through. I would just, I got this. Yeah, of course.

Let's open a window. Drive on to the shoulder a little bit. Hit the rumble strips a few times. Yeah, yeah. My stupid car now, I like my older car. I didn't even have GPS system. My truck now says multiple times, flashes warnings that you need to get coffee. it says you need a coffee break

I gotta press okay to say shut up and it'll say like stop swerving Bruce I see he is shaking his head does he have a car that has this I've been in one where that does that same I'm trying to turn these alerts off but like even if I'm dead of sleep that's not waking me

that's fair I have gotten to the point I used to also just be like a fucking let's power through like me is not safe yeah me and Zito drove back from Tampa in a U-Haul and we drove it straight through

and it was honestly it was easy now if I'm going anywhere that is over four hours away I make sure I stop two and a half hours in just to reset like okay we're halfway through it's smart yeah let's let's get a water let's get some peanuts you know what fuck it let's get trail mix sure you know and then you check mix even boom oh I do checks mix

at like the sheets or you know local truck stop that's what's not bad I mean if you're lucky enough to see a Buckees we don't have Buckees in Ohio though no think you have Buckees here? No, you gotta go south. I believe Kentucky's the first one. Yeah. Is it? Foxy, you like, you like Buckees back there? I saw his eyes light up? No, I've never been

to Buckees before. It's not a northern thing. No. Northeast even. It's basically a, it's a gas station the size of a super Walmart. Yes, is that what you so? Nails it. I get it. Everyone likes these things. In my head, it's still a gas station. It can't be that great. It's kind of great. I know everyone's going to hate

me for saying that. Yeah. What do you mean everyone? What's your version of that case, the gas station in Michigan? Like, is it Wawa. as it cheats, it's not bucket. You don't have those either. Marathon. Yeah, I mean, that doesn't count. That's why he doesn't get it. To Foxy's point, and maybe this is kind of the two sides of the coin here, I guess, since I didn't have it, I think it's so cool. He didn't have it. He thinks it's stupid. We have anyone here that grew up with the Buckees close to their house? Because maybe, are they sick of it? No, but the world's

biggest truck stop is in Iowa right before you leave the... What's it called? It's called the world's biggest truck stop. Yes. Yeah, you look it up. It's pretty sweet. What goes on there? Well, I'm not a trucker, so I'm usually getting off there to take a massive shite. A lot of stuff goes on there. But I think you could probably assume a fair amount of lot lizards. They still think they're still doing it? I think so.

I mean, again, I'm not a trucker, so I don't know. But, you know, it's pretty cool. You can get a nice warm shower there if you'd like, you know. I have always thought about that. Put my name in to get on the list and shower. yeah at uh love different ones yeah i love is a solid one i find myself when i drive uh from here and back to columbus i stop at the same i always think i'm going to new gas stations same one always going the same one i know these people you should though that that's the smart i buy little trinkets

i got like little lighters that are pistols they got i go lasers i get all my kids who love this and i buy it for myself and forget to give to them yeah that's classic that's the shit that happens that gas station i mean why do you think i had 200 pairs of sunglasses still have 200 pairs Why do you think I got there? Because I would go into a gas station and I knew had good ones. Yeah. I'm coming here every single time

to get this cool shit. Well, it's smart. Yeah, you find something that's good. You hold on of that shit. I got a fly gun that uses CO2 now. I suggest you get it. It's a six-shooter. Really?

Yeah, so like I had the pump. You know, I got the big pump shotgun. Everybody's got that. Everybody's got that. Yeah, so I got this. Now it's like it comes with a little, you guys used to pie. You guys are. Cap-gun.

Cap-gun. It's like the cap gun. You pop in there. I'd say the barrel was that long. on this thing it's a pistol handgun revolver and then you pop the CO2 right in the little in the butt of it and those flies don't have a chance really I'm knocking on life it's a real knock them unconscious dead like it it they go pass we don't we don't worry about being unconscious we just explode them right away it's beautiful I think this thing has like uh I see something they popped up my the barrel was a little

bigger than the one I had than that one might extend that barrel about five inches and that's the one I have CO2 goes right into where your palm is right in the butt of that. And I realized I have, I bet I have 85 extra CO2 canisters because I was worried that I was going to run out because I was like, you know, I had BB guns. Yeah, you never have too much. And I still have BB guns. Like the CO2 runs out too fast.

So Jack Carr, you know, you've got to be prepared. Yeah. Especially when it gets warm and just flies all over your house. Like sometimes I'll get five, six, and within like three or four minutes. Yeah, you should carry binoes around. Why don't you have so many flies that you just poop it on your floor? You got kids, you're leaving the goddamn backdoor open all the time. I had a dumpster for a while, too.

That's a big thing. When it's hot, June, July, those flies won't come in. They're going to breed. What's garbage do you have at your house? Well, you know. Why do you need a dumpster? I mean, because when you get it, if you get a dumpster for a week, you're going to want it for life. I'm just going to let you know, it's that awesome.

I agree. I agree with you. And my buddy owns a dumpster company. So I got one put out here. It's pretty tough. Phil has a dumpster, too. Does he? Bill back here?

Yep. Is Bill still working out in his office back down? I know he built a whole piece of machinery, like dip, pull-up situation. Is that still back there? It's still back there. He doesn't use, though. He's in the Hawk House usually. Yeah, but Bill has been, I mean, you've seen Bill.

He's fucking jacked right now. I've watched Bill run. Bill is very light on his feet, very spring. Yeah, big moan. He, actual for shoot, like, track record at his high school. I heard that. Around here? Yeah.

Down south of that? Yeah. I don't fucking know where this shit is. I don't know where any thing is. In Indiana? Yeah, in Indiana, yeah. How's, how's the U ball going? Is Pat still the champ?

Him and Evie? Yeah, him and Evan won, I believe, 11 straight. Yeah, Pat and Fox had their way with this year. How'd AQ do? Not good. Yeah, AQ is not very good at you, Ball. Who was his partner? Me, Tony.

We sucked. Did you guys both suck together, or did one of you suck worse than others? It wasn't even about that yesterday. It was just more about how good Foxy and power. I mean, there was times. Is it draining shots, or they're reading the rebounds? Both. A little bit of both.

But if you're playing to 11, the games could go by pretty quick. Some of them do. Some of them don't. It just depends. Air ball gives you minus one. Airball meaning it doesn't hit the rim or what if it just hits the backboard? Backboard's good. Nothing. If it is nothing, it's an air ball. Are there a lot of airballs? Yeah. Tend to be.

Yeah, I guess you're shooting that tiny ball. I shot a few of them. It felt like I was shooting a golf ball. Yeah, it's much harder. Because you could definitely like play to, like you could just wail it off the backboard it, but you're never going to get enough points to, you know. No, I want to make success. Yeah, I need to make it. If you're shooting to make it, I'm trying to make.

Airballs come into play. There is a chance. and granted it still has to be approved by the committee but there is a chance that we have new U-Balls actually Z ordered a couple very nice

very plump new mini basketballs for the U-ball we'll see how it works kind of a trial run what do you mean plump then just very very filled up

they're very grippy A PSI in there Bingo there it is PSI plump balls space Because right now one of them's inflated, one of them's deflated. It changes the rebounding aspect of the game. Yeah, it's kind of a circus game, which we enjoy that. You got needle and pump.

Well, no, that's what we mean. The committee has to kind of deliberate as far as do we even want to have two balls that are the same? Do we like the two different balls in the game? Does anybody want to do that? It's just something we kind of have to trial and error here. You guys are on fire? We are on absolute fire yesterday. So you beat AQ and tone, like, what's the score? Yeah, we beat A Q and D-Bone. Nobody's getting skunked, right?

No, nobody's ever been scored. Hold on, hold on. Let's actually kind of go into the D-Bone-D-But debacle they face you. No, D-Bone never jumps when he tips. Well. Yeah, New York's starting to make that a point of emphasis. You can't catch the ball and then jump. You have to jump, catch the ball, put it in.

But, yeah, we just had a really good day yesterday, and then Bone said, I'm so competitive and got really upset about it all. And then drank a Red Bull at 6 p.m. and ran out of here. He did it. He sour great. Did he say the words, I'm so competitive? Basically. He said, I haven't been in like a competitive setting in a long time.

He said, oh, I bet I would win if I played with a professional athlete as he's playing with Darius. It was crazy. With the professional athlete. DeBut can play in the NBA right now. He brought his head off the top of the backboard multiple times. The best basketball player just all around by a mile. Can jump out of the gym. He's DeBone's partner.

But yeah, Team Bone and Buss. I thought they were dominant for a while. Where is D-Boner? He's not right now. He's slaming a pillow. Oh, because he's so competitive. He's too competitive? Oh, my gosh.

You know how it goes? He's probably got his arm. I guess competitive people. That's what they do, man. And Michael Jordan. We saw Michael Jordan, right? He drained the free throw with that clip. Oh, yeah.

Does that come out before that, Foxx? I don't know if we have that. But Michael Jordan told the whole story to Mike Tariko on NBC at halftime, which is that what it's going to be for the rest? I don't know. I'm hoping not. I still have. faith that there's a chance they do a studio show and then he goes to the studio

once or twice? I would guess that there's a chance. It's going to be like Jets when he was first on with baseball where it was basically like, yeah, I'm not doing any of the regular season fucking bullshit, but when the World Series gets around, like sure, I'll come out and be on the desk with you guys. Is that the only time Jets is on the desk, really?

I think he's done it a little bit more, but like when he first got hired, yeah, it was like, hey, I'll be there for the big moments. And credit to Michael Jordan for actually doing this. So you got an Airbnb And then the guy, I don't know if it was contingent when he booked the Airbnb. It sounded like no. You bring your whole family out and everybody, which is very, very nice in Michael Jordan to do. He doesn't have to do that.

But not only did he meet him, take pictures, he comes out here and drain a free throw. And guess what? It was nothing but net. He was not lying to Tariko. Yeah, it was a pure swish. He actually tells kind of sweet information about the free throw, too. Did he? Like he explained the reasoning the NBA moved the blocks out wider was because Walt Chamberlain.

was like too big. He scored 100. And basically, and then they also, he also explained why there's a little, yeah, I think we're rewinding to it, but he kind of, it's tough to hear, so hopefully you can, we'll see. It's been a while.

Jacob, Jacob. How can't they go over this line when the, when the, they can't. But you know where that line come from? The line used to be in. Moved it out. How? What?

Look at you. Yeah. Lucas, move back, buddy. He is in a circle? Move back. You remember the center circle? They didn't have it. Will Chamonle used to take a drive, take off, and lift.

That was the street. So now you can't start the shot outside the center circle. And you can't break this line. Yeah. That's a real chamber. Had no idea about it. Please make it. Please make it.

Yeah. So cool. That was pressure, man. That's pretty sweet. I mean, it is pressure. Yeah, those little kids wearing Jordan jerseys. They never watched them play, obviously. You guys probably even watched them play.

Never, I never saw them. They definitely did. NBC stuff, that was a whole, they were smart, tight. You know, pulling out the old wood of nostalgia situation. It was 896, and that was about, like, my first sports memory is the. Mark Albert. Jim Harbaugh, Hail Mary, against the Steelers in 1995. So, yeah, I would have been watching MJ at that time.

I was watching. Ty, you were watching Jordan back then? Sunday afterno. Sunday afterno. Sunday afterno. Yeah. Like every Sunday, the Bulls are playing. That's what I said the day after.

I was like, I had, like, the most intense deja vu of, like, sitting on my couch, like, being seven years old, watching the Bulls play. Like, it was insane. Yeah, and they asked the players who were playing on NBC, like, what do you remember from NBC basketball? And they were like, nothing. I wasn't bored. I saw that, man, nothing at all. They're like, I didn't know they played basketball. And then someone just said, like, oh, Michael Jordan.

And then they cut to the Jordan thing, man. The NBC thing was great And it also has definitely raised the ESPN game too The Chuck and Shaq Last night they said this is the Didn't who said that Shaq said this is the real opening night

Last night Shack I believe said that That was great Like that being on ESPN The NBC This is great The Prime free game Like all the all of the deaths are really really cool

Yeah See I didn't see much of the prime stuff Was the prime stuff It hasn't happened yet I was wondering I wouldn't run at the same time I think it's tomorrow How do we know which games are where?

So, yeah, that's the thing you kind of really have to look at it. It feels as though Monday night is going to be NBC or Tuesday, whatever. Sorry, Tuesday is NBC. Yeah, here we go. So Sunday is NBC, Monday's Peacock. Tuesday, NBC Peacock. Yeah, then Wednesday, ESPN. Tonight is ESPN, though, the two games tonight, the Thunder Pacers and Nuggets Warriors.

But it looks like Prime's going to normally be Thursday, probably after football. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, that's true. And then Friday, Prime. I assume tomorrow and Saturday are the first two prime pregame shows, but do not take that as fact. I'm just guessing looking at the tomorrow is. I know they played that with Chuck who who they broadcast for which point, wait, which person

broadcast for which thing. It was pretty good. I don't know. I have genuine questions who they all work for now too. Like he was so confused because he's like, they popped up Allie the Force who was the sideline person for all the, for all of TNT games. last year and before, and he's like, Allie, she was with, she was with us last year, right? And then he guessed, so he just assumed that she went over to ESPN, but no, she's still with T&T doing like just other sports. And TNT doesn't have basketball, right?

No. No, not anymore. But they have college, they have college football and they have, they still baseball? Well, TBS does. Yeah, they might have some March Madness maybe. They do. Oh, they do. Sure, they definitely.

And they get the ESPN sold some of the rights of the college football playoff. Yeah. Yeah. The Tony's point. Everything is everywhere now. It's crazy. It's all over the place. tougher old people like me

I guess to figure out where it is that's got to ask young people yeah we'll help you thank you please do how are you now coming man I'm 30 are you 30 yeah I'm 30 years old you look great Bill how was Bill over here 29 29 you guys are all very young

you guys look good though majority of the office is 30 at least yeah I think bone and mid are the only two under 30 okay besides Bill and Bill well yeah but Bill's been 40 40 since I met that is a good point now and you guys ever do that you're real like

you spit to a cup or something or Tony, you probably threw him some semen and they tell you your actual age? Yeah, my real age. I'm about three, my body's three years older than I should be. Okay. Oh, so yours went the wrong way. Yep. I think, like, Kim Kardashian was talking about it.

Oh, she's like 41, but it says she's 27. I want to get back to my actual age. How do you do that? You work out, eat healthy, get sleep, drink water, all that stuff. What if you do all that and it says you're 55? That won't happen. That's not how science works. And plus, if that happens, that means,

holy fuck at 55 i'm going to be an ox that's true with that being said i think we're going to wrap this one up but you're right comment i look forward to you i hope i am around this earth when you are 55 we will be i will watch you just just cracking skulls everywhere you go thanks man i hope i'm not just cracking skulls i hope i'm just kind of hanging out like fishing and stuff but if we're cracking skulls that'd be cool too

okay good well you know what boys i appreciate you guys i'll see you again tomorrow actually yes you will i'll have a very safe drive home thank you very safe drive back here in the morning. I legit. I'm old enough now where I'm not dumb. I would never push through falling asleep. I hope so. Thank you. The other thing is too, like where we are at this point, the biggest danger is just driving on the highway. Aside from that, you're right. You're kind of okay. Be safe because I had a dream about you. So just be safe. You did. Right before we came on air, tone told me he thought I was going to die in the next week and a half. Said he had a dream about me dying right soon as three, two, Beau, here we go. We're alive on air. And tone, oh yeah, hey, you're going to

dying like nine or ten days. I had a dream about it, bud. All right, cool. I guess we'll just move on from that one, flush that one. But, Tone, you know, not all dreams are real. No, they are. Especially mine. Some dreams fucking nightmares. That's true. Was it a nightmare for you or was it a dream?

I was dead. No, it was a nightmare. Okay. I was a pallbear. How did? That was sick. Dude, congrats. Yes, congrats. It was sick. Hopefully he had your hat on, too. Yeah, sweet cowboy hat. Were you in the front and the back? Right in the middle. Mangol was in front of him just sobbing like a baby.

Which I understand. I was too. Bobby was drinking a beer. He would want this. AJ would want me to have a good time. You know what, Bob? I would. I would want him.

Mr. Brown, the owner of the Bengals, was one of them. He was here for seven months. You actually catered the meal afterwards from the Browns restaurant or the Bengals restaurant. Yeah. Yeah. It was a beautiful. All right, boys. Thank you guys in the back.

Appreciate you. Pete Rose. Yeah, all right, P, he's watching down. Yeah, he was with you. Charlie Hustle. Charlie Hustle took you through, baby. Boys, bring it in, bring it in here. Here we go, boys.

We'll have a great one tomorrow. I'll be back with some great things going on. Pat will be in Nashville tomorrow for game day. Good job today. Missouri, thank you. Thank you, thank you guys. Here we go. Team on me, team on three.

One, two, three. Team.