The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1437 - NFL Week 8 Preview/Picks, TNF Recap, Professional Poker Player Matt Berkey, Mike McCarthy, Nick Saban, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: October 24, 2025

On today's show, Pat is LIVE from Nashville, Tennessee for College GameDay ahead of tomorrow’s massive SEC showdown between Missouri and Vanderbilt, while AJ Hawk and the boys are back in the ThunderDome. They recap last night’s TNF game that saw the Chargers dominate the Vikings looking like serious contenders in the process, before previewing the college football slate, and making their picks for every week 8 NFL game. Joining the progrum to chat about all the chatter about these rigged poker games and what typically goes down in these situations is professional poker player with 8 WSOP final tables, host of the Only Friends Podcast, Matt Berkey. Next, Super Bowl Champion, former Head Coach of the Green Bay Packers and Dallas Cowboys, Mike McCarthy joins the show to recap last night’s game and look ahead to this weekend’s games including the Packers and Steelers on Sunday Night Football. Later, 7x National Champion, College GameDay panelist, the GOAT, Nick Saban joins the progrum to preview this weekend’s games, and chat amore about the state of college football as a whole. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you on Overreaction Monday. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Pat Maccabee Show. Feel Good Friday, October 24th. I'm A.J. Hawks sitting in for Pat at his desk. He'll be joining us from National, boys. Big game tomorrow. Football! Is the name of the game. It's what we do around here.

It's our number one thing. Last night we had a big game. We had Vikings, Chargers. Boys, chargers absolutely dominate. I feel like. Obviously, early on in the game, Justin Herbert throws what we thought was a pick six. They review it. It's not a pick six.

they go on, what, a 16-play drive, I believe, going on there, and they capitalize, they score a touchdown, go up 7-0. It looks like, to me, the Chargers never really looked back after that. I felt like the Chargers D-Line was getting unbelievable pressure on Carson Wentz all night long.

They ran for over 200 yards the Chargers did. It was just, it was somewhat of a dominant performance, I feel like, from this Chargers football team, just what they needed after losing three of their last four games. Common, what did you see when you watch this game? Honestly, what stood out the most, I guess, when you actually think about it. I mean, right there on that touchdown run by Vidal, they're running left.

Joe Alt being back was kind of the biggest thing it felt like. And it kind of solidifies the importance of how important the left tackle is just to both the quarterback and the running game. And yeah, right there, they're four and no when Joe Alt starts. And he's just one of those big sons of bitches that kind of sets the tone up from for those boys. And, you know, they could do whatever they wanted because Herbert had time. And it was just a fantastic performance start to finish for the office.

offense. Yeah, Carson Wentz, he was under pressure all night long. I know you guys watched it and you saw, but it seemed like Carson Wentz, one, two, three, he's hitting his third step and he's eluding pressure all over. We saw, we saw some Carson Wentz moments where this guy, you know, he's never going to let a play die. That's why I love about Carson. It's always all out in front of him. He's always able to, he thinks at least in his mind, he's going to figure out a way to get this thing and to get some positive yards, which I love and respect. It was, yeah, like I said, dominant performance. I was so impressed by the Chargers defense, to be honest

with you, right, Tone? Yeah, it looked like their early season defense, where the first couple weeks where they were dominant and they started 3 and L. I mean, what I learned last night is if you wear stupid, dumb, all yellow uniforms and you play a good team like the Colts, you're going to get dominated, and then if you decide to wear one of your coolest throwback uniforms

as possible, and then another team comes in, you're going to dominate them. And I think the whole NFL should take that in consideration when they're choosing uniforms. Ty, what happened last night? I mean, maybe a little bit for the final score, but I told Connor when I first got in here today, like last night was the first time I actually felt bad for Carson Wentz. You know, he just, like you said, underdress all night, so banged up.

Like, it's kind of rubber meets the road for the Vikings now. Like, we get it. J.J. McCarthy's been hurt with the ankle. Has he been hurt? They got to see what they had. Pretty athletic move he made on the sidewalk. Without a doubt. Avoiding a complete disaster, I feel like at one point in the game.

J.J. McCarthy, if you watch him here, ooh, high, jumps over top. You think he's going to get rolled up on. Here we go, a lot of juice. he's ready you think that guy's got an ankle injury tie i mean it certainly doesn't look like it but you know we need to see him on the field because i think they know exactly what they can get out of cars and wince and the season could kind of get away from them pretty quickly here if they don't if something doesn't change yeah it does feel like we're going to see j j j mccarthy out there

very soon uh with the viking's under center and i think i think pat's already actually down in nashville pat what's going on man you're setting looked amazing when we when we touched with you earlier what's up buddy yeah down here at first bank stadium and beautiful nashville tennessee you know, they just opened this place in August. $130 million was spent on this stadium. They just opened in August. Hold on, though. I'm not done, though, okay? You would think that would be a lot of money,

especially in 2025, having a brand new stadium. Remember, in years past, we've kind of mocked and ridiculed. They had cranes and, like, they didn't even have locker rooms. Remember, they were going through their construction. They finally land here at the First Bank Stadium. $130 million they put in this. That's not it, though. Right behind me here, I believe you see the Huber's Center.

I got the J.J. Watt situation going on. That's the Huber's. center right there. That's for the basketball team. $90 million they spent on the Huber basketball thing. We're not done, though. You know, the baseball team obviously highly regarded Vandy Boys, $42 million they're putting into a new baseball stadium. And then outdoor tennis only, outdoor tennis only, $14 million in a new facility. And then indoor tennis, they're putting $7 million into it. So whenever you talk about a school going all in on sports, it feels like this Vandy team's doing that. Now, obviously, Coach Lee,

and Diego Pavia are putting it on a national stage with the entire run in the college football world. Obviously, lucky to be here and celebrate this as Mizzou comes to town. But I think Chancellor Deermeyer, Candice Story Lee, athletic director here at Vandy, are all in on the sports. And I think it's a special thing.

You know, when you're good at sports, I think it radiates about your culture, about what you are. We're competitive. We like to have a good time. We like to be community-driven. And also, we want to beat the hell out of other people whenever it comes to on-field competition and sports. So I'm lucky to be down here in Vandy.

I certainly am. Yesterday was a once-in-a-lifetime actual day that I got to experience down here in Nashville. Crazy that it fell on the day where the no-betting a lot had their biggest day. But I thought you guys did an incredible job, okay? And I appreciate you guys doing that. And to all the people that I was with yesterday that everybody will learn about, going forward. I don't want to drop all their names right now because it'll kind of give away everything we got going on. Thank you so much for taking time out of your lives and energy and

commitment towards yesterday for me. That was one of the coolest things I've ever done. Yesterday was awesome. I was in the middle of a movie and a TV show for about nine hours and with some of the most talented people on earth and it was really cool. It's a Nashville difference. I had no idea that Nashville could be the football town that it is right now for Vandy and lucky to be here. Now, on that note, Carson Wentz, quarterback for this Minnesota Vikings team, you talk about J.J. McCarthy doing that move. It wasn't just the, what's that called, Shed? What do you guys call that, AJ?

You're playing off a cut block. You're playing off a cut block. Yeah, what's that move called there? Is that called a move or what's that called? Yeah, I don't know. Play off the cut is all I know. Striated. Yeah, it's literally a drill, though.

People roll balls and you like, Connie, you know, you sprawl. This is a sprawling technique. There it is, there's a sprawl that kind of comes with that. That's a very explosive move, okay? And there's obviously a lot of movement that takes place not only with the ankles, but the knees, everything else like that. And then they walk off afterwards a little bit of sauce with that one. As he's walking forward, it's like, okay, looks like JJ's at least close to being all the way back.

Obviously, emergency quarterback last night. So if they needed them, they'd have them a lot of season left is what they were probably thinking. But you got J.J.J. McCarthy there probably coming back. You got Carson Wentz, given some Carson Wentz experience. But to your point, Ty, I was following along. A lot of people were like, Enough's enough for this, man. Yeah, please.

Can we take him off? This guy's giving his all out there. I like that there was a baby-faced turn for Carson Went, seemingly last night, in the midst of this massive defeat against a Chargers team that might be who we thought they were just a few weeks ago, especially with Joe Alt playing. But you think about Danny Dimes, what he's doing with the Colts. We're lucky as hell. We want to make him our governor.

We want to make Danny-Dor governor. He was in their building. Now, allegedly, they offered more money than Colts did, but still, they let him out of the building. Sam Donald, okay, you got him doing what he's doing. Remember, Aaron Rogers was a lot of. allegedly interested in being the Minnesota Vikings quarterback. One year ago, last year, the Minnesota Vikings team, they were fighting for the number one CDNFC. Last game of the year, it's like, holy hell, this team is there. And then now we're watching them. Obviously,

injuries happen. And it's like they're just getting their shit pumped by the Los Angeles Chargers on primetime. It's like, this is not what I think about the Kevin O'Connell Vikings team. And there's been a lot of really good players that have kind of exited or people that want to be there that are playing pretty good football elsewhere. So they're going to have to live in their world in their decision-making. And on that note, the Chargers' decision-making on those jerseys tone, to your point, those things look filthy. I mean, I just thought about, I thought about Ledaney and Tomlinson back in the day doing his thing and just electrifying and lighten everything up. I know that the Chargers felt like they had to perform in those

jerseys. But once again, Justin Herbert, Jim Harbaugh, mentor, right, is the defensive coordinator that we're singing his praises. It's like everything we learned about them whenever we went out to their facility, they're all rowing in the same direction. And I think they ran into a very good Colts team last week. Obviously, they have, you know, not a perfect schedule or a perfect resume. But it's like this Chargers team still has everything you could possibly need to go on a deep run, I think. Now, what was the betting numbers last night? I know we were probably all on the Chargers if I had to guess the way our show had to operate,

even though I didn't listen at the end. But what was the public on? What was the money on? And who ended up winning in this entire thing? Well, I just want to let you know that, yes, you were on the right side. You were on the Chargers. You said, give me three, give me three and a half. It doesn't matter.

Chargers are going to beat their ass, and they did. AJ was on the wrong side, but AJ was with the public. 56% of the bets were with the Vikings last night. I don't know if that was because Carson Wentz was 7-0 all-time on Thursday night football, and they believed in Wentz. But no, it was an ass-beating the entire time, Chargers. And one thing we haven't mentioned yet, we probably should mention, Arronday Gatson, the rookie tight end out of Syracuse,

just three games in a row now where he's been absolutely dominant, as you can see there, almost six, seven receptions a game, tons of yards, tons of touchdowns, out of Syracuse, his dad played in the NFL. He's been a new weapon for Justin Herbert that he loves. Yeah, and you know, you got Dolphins fans going crazy.

Gumpie's smiling like the butcher's dog over there is just listening to the name being mentioned. Is that now right, Gumpch? Absolutely. Yeah, he was getting zipper burn last night whenever we were talking about this entire and how that guy's night continued to go. I like this Chargers team man, con man. It feels like

hardball is going to be able to get any group to kind of go and win can they win a super bowl connor can the los angeles chargers won a super bowl i mean when herbert's playing like this no doubt like even you go back to last week with the colts and they got killed by the colts but herbert did everything he could to bring him back but he makes every play it feels like he really doesn't have too many flaws especially when it comes to you know like decision making with the football the guys they have on offense we're running wide open sometimes then he can do this you forget herbert is a freak athlete sometimes, and he's faster than damn near everybody on the field.

And the fact that they have a third string running back playing the way he is, I think it's just credit to Herbert because, you know, they damn near are just letting, or sorry, they're just trying to stop Herbert, and they can't because the worry isn't too much about the running game. And then you bring in a third string running back, and he's unbelievable. With Khalil Mackback, AJ mentioned it. Carson Wentz really didn't have any time at all yesterday. And again, I don't know what the injuries were on the Vikings.

I feel like I kind of got bamboozled just because Carson Wentz came out with a bionic arm. And I didn't know that was happening. But no, as a team as a whole, Adafay-O-Way, they get from the Ravens. He's making an impact immediately. And I mean, with Adafi-O-Way being that kind of player for them getting traded this year, makes you think now with the other side with the Vikings, like, do they start selling? But who knows with that? It was more so just the Chargers are all the way back.

And you look at that division, Chiefs and Broncos, they got to be a little bit worried now, too, that there really is a three-headed monster, and then Max Crosby in the division. Yeah, I love the fact that Harbaugh is doing what he's doing out there with that team. I think just because we appreciate him as a football guy, and we also respect and appreciate the hell out of Herbert. Continued success out there for the boys, hopefully.

And for the Vikings, good luck. Good luck. A lot of people still asking questions about, J.J. McCarthy, he can obviously go and prove them all wrong if he has a great back half of the season. Now, yesterday I missed, which was a pretty big day. Okay, and I already did the no betting allowed thing, so I kind of blew that. It still hit. It hit. Okay, six, six. So the fact that it happened yesterday and I wasn't able to talk about it is, you know, it was a bummer. I was bummed out about it. Like as it was all unfolding, I was driving to once in a lifetime event

while it was all taking place on our phones and we're all learning about it. It's like, man, I feel like I'm a pretty good person and maybe chit-chat about at least the poker side of this entire thing because poker is a huge part of my story. You know, I started playing with it. And I was like 10 years old with my grandma. She taught me how to gamble all my brother

and then my cousins and everything. They enjoyed different styles of games than I did. It was a little bit different. So my grandma literally taught me how to gamble and play poker as a 10-year-old. So I feel like I've been, you know, in that world more than maybe just the average person at speaking on a microphone, not saying that I'm a professional or anything, but just the poker

world, the cards community, I am very proud to be a part of, and I love cards. And anytime you got somebody scamming the card community, that is obviously disgusting. So I think that's a horrible situation that I cannot wait to chat more about here in a second. But this whole co-conspirator alongside NBA players thing that's also happening at the same exact time that FBI director Cash Patel put up, it feels like we're just very early in this entire thing. You know, and then you hear about what the lawyer was saying about Terry or whoever was at the hotel and wanted them to do a perp walk and everything. It's like, it's like cash, I feel like, and, you know, maybe the FBI understands that sports gambling is becoming a

much, much, much, much bigger part of our society. And I see everybody talking about how, how can anybody on TV talk about it whenever they're taking money from sports books and things like that. And I'm going to say this, we took and got paid a lot of money from a sports book in Fandul. So I would like to say this is potentially coming from a part of the problem. But players being associated with rigging games and fans of sports betting on games, I think two very different things. Obviously, is it a conflict of interest with how big sports gambling has become a part of these leagues, signing deals with leagues, signing deals with players in leagues these sports books are? And then obviously it's all over all the marketing and everything

that's a part of the game. Is that potentially a conflict of interest? Because inevitably it's going to get into a locker room or maybe into the officials, which obviously we've already seen, and it's such, it's such an easy thing to get a part of and wrapped up in, is that going to only become more? I think these types of situations have to be big and have to be precedent setting, because I don't think the sports gambling world is going to slow down. It's obviously been happening for a very, very long time. Now it's just legalized and trackable, and there's big corporations and people profiting off this with publicly stock exchanges and marketing and coming together with sports as opposed to being the outlier of sports. So I think the

have to remember that you can't give up the integrity of the game. It ruins it for everybody. So I think that's why they're making it such a big deal. Now, is it becoming easier and easier to potentially rig some of these prop bets, certainly? And are these co-conspirators that were up there with Jonte Porter and now also being linked to Terry Rozier? How many people have they just wanted to talk to and said, like, hey, I can get this? All you got to do is just, we need under three-threes tonight. Can you just do, maybe go get a layup, maybe get a mid-range, maybe put your foot on the line? We got an extra $150,000. you. And then these co-conspirators all kind of bank off the back end of it. That's a dangerous

game. I don't know how they stop that. I honestly don't know how they stop that. And I hope the only way that you stop it is you scare the living shit out of all the other players, not only in basketball, in all the other sports, because we haven't even, they haven't even ventured into the other sports that this is potentially happening in as well, let alone how many different groups of co-conspirators have their hands into different athletes, college, you name it. I mean, it is obviously a huge thing, a spiraling web, if you really was to become that. So the precedent is going to have to continue to be set pretty strong, and I think that's why the FBI came out and did it the way that they did it. Now, on that note, I heard Wendy say that the NBA knew about this, so then Terry had an injury or something like that,

without for the rest of the season. And then I heard Shams last night on inside the NBA. Shout out to Ernie Johnson, Chuck, the Jet, and Shaq for having Shams on last night on inside the NBA. And basically, he said that they don't have the ability. to get warrants or it's out of their jurisdiction to be able to pool like evidence or go interview people so what the NBA could only get was what they could get. The FBI was obviously able to get a lot more, which led to these arrests. So there's an entire who knew what at what time and how many others do we know about until it's publicly kind of exposed. We

have no idea. But now let's go to the poker game thing because that's also getting tied in with the co-conspirators being a part of that as well. And that's Portland and then what Charlotte and Miami, that's really far away. So let's assume that these so conspirators potentially have a little bit of range. The poker game's crazy just because of how many different stories have come from the allegations of a mafia-run poker game. There was x-rays under the table that were seeing through the cards. They knew what cards were coming. Maybe they had glasses on.

The mafia's running this thing. Everybody's losing. And then you hear a podcast from 2023 from Ayanzer, east of Pittsburgh, Leechburg, Pennsylvania. Matt Berkey in 2023 talks about how this. The exact name that was kind of mentioned yesterday in the poker world, at least in his eyes, they knew that the game was potentially worked or rigged in 2023. There was a game that traveled maybe from L.A. to Nevada, and the poker players knew that it was a rigged game. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is the man that actually said that on his podcast, the only friend's podcast.

He's a professional poker player. He's over $4 million in earnings. Has made eight World Series of Poker Finals tables, and he's from the east side of Pittsburgh. Pennsylvania, so we appreciate the hell out of them. Ladies and gentlemen, Matt Berkey. Burke, what's going on, brother? We'll talk about Sunday night football. We'll talk about Sunday night football, certainly here in a little bit, and your thoughts on all of that. But I watched your clip from 2023, and basically the way you were laying

it out is as if you understood, or people that were playing in this particular game or these particular games, know when it's rigged or when it's not rigged. How is that the case? And what have you heard about these particular poker games that maybe got them caught, if you will, Berkey, if that's a good enough question to kind of get started. Yeah, sure. I don't want to lay it on the people who got taken for a ride in these games and make it seem like it was so obvious that they should have known. But it is one of those things where when you as a professional who don't really offer too much to a high profile game like this that's being run around celebrities, get the invite, your radar should kind of go up. And this

particular game, it was happening both in Los Angeles and in Las Vegas. I had gotten multiple invites as well as a lot of friends who don't really have access to these sort of private games. And it just seemed quite suspicious to me. So I was lucky enough to pass. I had a lot of friends who lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in these games just with the opportunity to play with a few celebrities. But yeah, once you get outside of the casino, the rules get bent quite a bit. Okay, on that note, how many of these types of games are happening? Because obviously it says a mafia-run poker game.

A lot of these games are illegal in themselves, right? Because they're obviously taxis and being held with no regulatory sanctions, anything like that. And I'm not saying that it's somebody that has maybe played in a couple of these games, but this is very similar to like, and I don't want to go such like a harsh metaphor, but like a lot of people think that they can either sell fake drugs or beat up drug dealers because it's an illegal activity so nobody's going to be able to turn them in. So it's like if you do something wrong during an illegal activity, you really have nobody that's going to be able to turn you in because it's an illegal activity.

The person will be ratting on themselves. How many of these maybe non-regulated illegal potential games happen? And whenever the mafia is thrown around, are they a part of a lot of these games for like the history of poker may be running these potential illegal operations that are taking place? Yeah, I mean, look, it's, it's going to be an all-cash business, right? And that kind of lends itself to organize crime in a certain way. But I don't want it to be overstated, like, this is the majority of what's taking place in the poker community. It's unfortunate that when we get these big platforms, it's usually because there's a giant scandal or somebody's been cheated out of a lot of money.

But the reality is, at the highest stake levels, games are private, period. That's just the nature of the beast. You want to be able to play with recreational players and they want to be able to cherry pick the lineup. So if you want to be playing nosebleeds, then they're going to be privatized in some sort of capacity. Whether that's a house game or a casino game really dictates who you're catering to when it comes to the VIPs.

Some people would prefer it in a more friendly environment where they can partake in extracurriculars, if you will. as far as like the mob's hand in it you know I think it's one of those things where it's like you hear rumors you always suspect but this is the first actual like confirmation in my 22 years of playing that I've heard any real involvement there

okay now let's talk about cheating a little bit in these private games that are out of the casino obviously casino a little bit more regulated obviously they have a gaming license everything like that dealers professional dealers you name it whenever you got these private games you're walking in on trust, basically, that everything is on the up and up. Whenever the cheating happens or something like that, I heard stories. There's x-rays now in the tables.

Did you know this was happening? There's x-rays going through the tables and they're able to tell what cards around the corner. Did you know any of these things? And what is kind of your takeaway on what cheating does actually happen in these poker games or in poker games in general? Yeah, I think the x-ray thing was a bit of a misunderstanding or misrepresentation of what actually took place.

basically the home games are ripe for cheating because the back of the house has access to everything so you as the player you're trusting fully in whoever is particularly running this and this notion that absolute power corrupts absolutely is kind of where these things break down the game runners incentivized to make the most money the game runner is incentivized to ensure that everybody is able to get paid and they're certain to get stiffed So they'll often take precautionary measures, whether that's taking a large rake or, in this instance, cheating the game to ensure that they're able to basically keep the Ponzi going as long as they can. As far as like the X-ray and the other methods, I think that they confused that with something that's known as infrared decks. So you can get these like pre-marked decks with infrared technology where like a fake key fob or something that's known as infrared decks.

where like a fake key fob or something of that nature can actually read the deck top to bottom. And if you have somebody in the back of the house who's able to get decks into the game, then of course it's going to be very easy to rig the game. They also used a visible ink with context lenses. But, you know, to kind of make people at ease a little bit more, these methods are very complicated. You could never do this in a casino or at least be incredibly difficult. You need a middleman who's able to get the decks into the game.

who's able to orchestrate the entire thing. And that's kind of the issue with these unregulated games is that you're dealing with an environment where all your trust is solely in the person who is incentivized to make the most money. Hand in a cookie jar. Let's make sure we all get equal amounts of cookies. That's an interesting dilemma for humans

since the beginning of time, let alone maybe a potential gambling community. Last question from me, how many of these games are taking place on a regular basis? Like if you just had to give a projection, I put this tweet out as soon as I heard about it and obviously I grew up in a World Series of poker era I think you did as well and we're into Pittsburgh area

a lot of Italians, a lot of games, we did a lot of this I assume that's where you started as well I just want to make sure to reiterate that fact that was not me. There's a lot of Pat Mackey now there is a lot of those but I played in a lot of games like I played in a lot of poker games a lot of private games now that is a long time ago

long long long long time ago and I think statute of limitations like five years or some depending upon which year whenever it comes of these things. So this was at least 5.2 years ago, you know, 5.1 years ago. This was a long, long time ago. These games are happening on a very regular basis, though. I think that is something that needs to be said as well. It's not like a majority of these games go back to your point. Card community, I think, does have morals. Like, I think we do have like unwritten rules in the card community, let alone at the level that you're at. Like,

this is an abnormal thing, right? This is how people should be viewing this as opposed to maybe a regular thing in the card world. Because it's kind of an attack on cards, brother. And I don't like that at all. Yeah, yeah. It's an attack on people who are willing to go to the ends of the earth to make a buck, I think. Yeah, to your point, these games, they're happening coast to coast. They're not actually illegal to run or to play in, so you don't have to worry about your statute of limitation.

They're illegal to take a rake. So if the house is profiting off of it, now you're stepping on the casino's toes, and that becomes the big issue. But yeah, you know, I was in the basement of the steakhouse. the same way that you were coming up, just playing a little 5-10 with a bunch of bookies, Blairville, Johnny, and, you know, Mike the Greek, all flinging cards back and forth.

And, you know, at the time, I was 21. I was totally naive to everything, and I just went in there blindly trusting. Thank God those guys were on the up and up. Yeah. Yeah, legit. Me too. I literally thought about my high school story when this whole thing made,

and I walked down into a basement, literally of like an Italian restaurant. And it's like, man, Thank God those guys let me win, I guess. Like, that was very... Imagine if they don't, like, on the way out, and I just don't go to the camp. My whole life changes.

It's like, I'm very appreciative of said Italian restaurant that took care of me there, and I'm very appreciative of cards as a whole. I hope people don't get scared to continue to play cards. Cards are great. Play Yucur, obviously, out in Indiana a lot. Obviously, play rummy with a wife, not scared to play a little tonk,

not scared to play a little 727, not scared to play hold them, you name it. Like, cards are good. It's good for community. It's good, everything like that. I hate that people are trying to scam the shit out of people at the highest level, and that's making national headlines.

But people like you, Burke, will continue to carry the torch of good card playing, and we appreciate the hell out of you. Thank you, guys. All right, man. I hope you get every card. Ladies of Jones, Matt Burkey. Yay. Yeah, I thought that was just some information that people needed to know,

because there was some crazy stuff. It was all kind of taken on a life of its own about what these card games were. What was happening? I saw some people putting out graphics of these x-rays under the tape. It's like, oh, my God. I mean, how could you know if anything was in there? So I appreciate him who lives in it literally every single day for the last 15 years talking about it's crazy, AJ.

I'm a card person. You are as well. It's like this can't be like what people think cards are as a whole. Yeah, I don't imagine. I think we're giving people too much credit almost thinking like there's these super complex situations going on all around the country where they're cheating everybody out of money. I don't think it's that rampant. But, I mean, this is a giant situation, giant case that the FBI came.

So it's happening for sure. Yeah, like there's always been people that try to like, oh, I'll tap the table when I have a diamond or space. Like there's always like table talk potentially set up options out of people. But I feel like that's a part of me trying to catch those people while playing. Like I got to know that these people are pretty. But whenever you, it's just like the Houston Astros, I guess. Technology.

Whenever they go like, yeah, like whenever you get, whenever you, there's a line here. And then going that far is just not great. The fact that these guys with how much money that they have doing that, I don't get it. I don't know what the leverage. There had to be some sort of leverage on these guys. Definitely. Yes.

That's what doesn't make sense. That's the stuff that I feel like will be interesting to look at just going forward with these cases. And like just like the baseball thing, to your point, now I'm just looking back through all my favorite players and all the guys I loved growing up, especially in the NBA. And you're just, now you just wonder about everything, you know. it's like, I'm glad. No, I know, but seriously, like, especially for Matt, like, I don't think I would have been able to ask him a question without wanting to know some sort of information about people or players.

And that's why this situation is so sticky, because some people are coming out and just saying a lot of stuff. And it's hard not to look at that stuff. And, like, it's not meant for, you know, any public conversation. And regardless, they're doing it. But it's one of those things where now you just start to wonder about everything when it comes to things. things of this nature just because it is so prevalent, especially now with gambling. Yeah, I don't think we need to go back in time and start questioning anything. Now, speaking to going back in time, Tim Donahy is going, excuse me. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there's a...

So, I mean, that is just, it only opens up for it. And Debud asked Adam Silver the other day whenever we got a chance to talk to him about, like, hey, tell us about gambling. He talked about playing defense. And now, Shams is reported that the NBA did not know about this until we all knew about this. So Adam Silver at the time, I don't think knew that. that all these announcements were coming, at least that's what's being reported in this whole

thing. But he certainly knows that, hey, like, one of the biggest knocks on our league, especially now with how prevalent gambling is, is that how rigable it is, just because anything can be a foul. Anything can be a foul. And if you give two fouls on a guy early, he's out of the game. So it's like all, you, in this case, co-conspirator eight, which fits a lot of the descriptors of the poker player up there in Portland, tells, uh, fanzy or franzy or something, I forget the name of the guy, that somebody's not going to be playing for the rest of the games, the last 10 games of the season or whatever, nobody else knows it. It's like, you just, you pick one player out. That's like a guaranteed loss almost.

And, like, basketball is so ripe. Oh, yeah. You know, if you, if you look at it from a praying standpoint of taking advantage of AJ, which we certainly know some gamblers will try. So it's like him trying to play defense on that. Like, can we get irrelevant props maybe out completely? So there's not even like I think that's I think they're trying their best over there at the NBA legitimately I think they're trying their absolute best AJ yeah they're going to I mean you mentioned they're going to probably you know make a come down with a pretty hard sentence or whatever is going to happen now because you have to scare not only NBA players you need to scare football

players baseball players call the MLS I'm sure the MLS is susceptible to this everyone is you know anyone can come and ruin a whole situation like that no way yeah but we're we're a part of the problem because we took sports book money it's like I have a I get that's a lot different than manipulating a game and shaving points of a game and changing a game like that. Yeah, it's also legal. Yeah, but I understand how it's just sitting there, though, to use. Like, I think yesterday there was ESPN bet logo on there. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. And we'd like let everybody know, nobody's betting on that. Okay. Okay. So, you know, like, let's, so, but it was up on the screen while they were talking about it. And you can see how hypocritical that would potentially look. And it's like, we're trying to say that there's a line. Yeah, we're trying to say that there's a line between like the difference.

But then they're saying, well, the line is all kind of becoming, you can see how people it's like, yeah, we can't. We all can see what the susceptibility is here. But we're all saying that there's certainly differences between being a part of the action in betting on the action. I'll say people are definitely taking like liberties, though. Like there's a big difference between promoting a legal sports book and betting legally versus rigging basketball games.

And that's, you know, as, as Burke he said, that's something that's something Blairsville Johnny would never do. Yeah. That's a good point. What do you say, Mike? Mike, you did, Mike, you agree. Mike in the Greek, yeah. Donna Wilmerding, yeah. Somebody need to check out Mikey the Greek.

He always got cards, this guy. He was always hanging around. Turned River. It was always really nice to Mikey to Greek. I think we need to check in maybe on what he's got cooking. A little different Greek yogurt on that particular thing. You know what I'm talking about. Oh, joining us now.

ladies and gentlemen, is an Irish man from Pittsburgh. Okay? Hell yeah. So I would assume that he knows about a lot of this stuff that is potentially happening, at least how it could potentially take place in the sports world. Ladies and gentlemen, our coach, Super Bowl champion, Coach Mike McCormor. Yeah, Coach. Wow, picking on the Irish right out the gate, huh?

Oh, my goodness. I'm Patrick McAfee. My name is Patrick McAfee. You are Mike, you're Mike McCarthy, okay? I come from Italian, Italian community. Was yours Irish or Italian? Both. There's both Irish and Italian in Greenfield.

And then the lower part of Greenfield was more, more hunky, Slovak, Czechoslovakian, of the sort. We didn't have a lot of Czechoslovakians and plumb. We had all Italians. I mean, it was just Italians everywhere. P.E. You just walk outside. There's an Italian right there. It was an Italian right there.

there. Geez, Louise, there's another one. Good God. All right, we got some more pasta, more gravy. Got it, got it. Brajute, we do that. Tell you what, some of them weren't always on the up and up in those games we played in either. I'll tell you that. That's a fact. That is certainly a fact. But on that note, the NBA has caught up in a massive thing.

As a coach in the NFL during the era here of sports books becoming legalized and a part of the league and the culture as a whole, did you feel obligated to talk about that? that with your team and all? Like how do you kind of address that with the team other than just the signs that are everybody everywhere in the hope that nobody will want to kind of get involved with that type of stuff, Coach? Well, I mean, you definitely have to talk about. I think the league has done, the NFL has done an excellent job with the education. You know, it starts in the spring during the off-season program and ultimately, as we've all been through the meetings there in training camp. But the continuing education throughout the season is

important. And I think just clearly just the volume of betting, you know, as far as the variation, I think, you know, we had a situation at one point in the past season where a player went out of the game and the communication wasn't clean between, you know, the training staff, the player and in communication to the head coach, whether the player was up or down. And so, and when a player does go out of the game, you know, that obviously affects the end game betting. So I just think when you, you know, when you add that whole element to the in-game baiting has created a whole different. I mean, my goodness, you know, amount of scrutiny. And with that, I think just the communication as a coaching staff, training staff, players, and so forth during the course of the game, you know, your communication needs to be even better.

So, but yeah, it's, it's the landscape's definitely different. I mean, it's totally different than I know when I first got in the league in the 90s. I mean, you know, in the 90s, I can remember my first gambling, you know, presentation, you know, and you kind of laugh about it because, I mean, it was a joke, but it was like, hey, don't leave a paper trail. You know, cash only. So, you know, you're part of prom. You're part of prom, coach. You're part of a problem.

No, but like I said, it was a joke, but it was just a whole different. landscape back then. I mean, it's changed so much in the volume and in the variations of which you can bet on, especially in game, it's amazing. Yeah, and you talk about what the NFL had to go through with like fantasy football. Remember Tony Romo wasn't allowed to go to some event in Vegas for fantasy football, but he was a lot to take a check for like a scratch-off and stay in there like, nope, you're allowed to play blackjack, but you're not allowed to take free drinks while you're playing blackjack. Remember this? You're not allowed to get a hotel room. but you're allowed to play a roulette if you want, like, they had to bat,

the NFL had like to really, there was a lot of NCAA just, what did the NCAA just approve? Yeah, they just legalized gambling for all divisions, Division 1, Division 2, Division 3 on pro sports. Yep. We're in such a weird time right now, Coach. Yeah, as it's becoming so prevalent, like everybody's trying to adjust and be fair and be real about the situation, all we all know, everybody that's ever been a part of any of the sports, can't have the players or the people in the games. or affecting the games, be rigging the games.

Because then you take down everything for all of us, okay? So stop being so fucking selfish. Now, let's talk about the game last night, shall we, coach? Carson Wentz, obviously in a middle of battle all night with this Chargers team. Now, Justin Herbert, with Joe Alt starting this year, they're 4-0. Feels like he's a real difference maker. What's your takeaway from last night's domination by the Los Angeles Chargers, coach? Yeah, definitely.

I think, like most games, it really starts up front. And I think having, you know, Joe Albeck definitely made a huge difference. And you can't, you know, from the start of the game, I mean, the charges were in control throughout. I mean, I think they had a plus 40 rushes and, you know, I think Justin threw the ball about 27, 28 times. So, I mean, that's a great formula for success. I thought they ran, they threw it. I thought the chunk yardage is. And I thought Justin really played a really gritty game, you know, with his rushing attempts and, you know, extended plays.

and when he did throw it off the action game, you could definitely see the big play opportunities that they were able to hit. So I thought charges were clearly up front. I know there was a lot of injury challenges throughout the week. And I know we've talked about this in past weeks, the Thursday night injury challenge, in my experience, it's clearly the biggest because,

A, you're trying to get an injured player that may or may not play in the game, get him reps, but then also if he doesn't go, you're trying to get the next guy of the reps and to get that coordinated to get the connection and continuity that you want to get each and every week going into it. You know, it's Thursday night being a short week

on its own is a challenge, but it's really on both sides of the spectrum of, is he playing, isn't he playing, you know, and so forth. And I think definitely, I thought Joe all looked like his old man there last night. I thought he played a hell of a game. Coach, we saw, speaking of injuries, JJ McCarthy, he is on the sideline.

We showed a clip a little bit ago. I don't know if you watched him. He's got some great agility. He's supposed to have an ankle injury. I guess. He's moving pretty dang well right here. You see, avoids a disaster. That could have been really, really bad. And he's still locked in on the game. I guess it seems like we're expecting to see JJ McCarthy in the near future under center for the Vikings. What do you expect to see when McCarthy gets back in here? Well, I think the biggest thing in not knowing without any communication, but the fact that he was the third quarterback in the game tells he's close. So I thought that was definitely a good sign for JJ. But yeah, I think. clearly getting back in there and just getting him into the rhythm. I mean, I think, you know, clearly if you're calling a defense against a young quarterback,

you really want to make it hard for him on first and second down, because I know as an offensive coach, an offensive play caller, you're always trying to make the ride for normal down the distance a little easier on your quarterback because we all know that third down in red zone is where they truly make their money and the emphasis on making sure he's ready there. Because those are the things when you don't play as a quarterback, you know, to get back into that time clock, you know, because things move differently,

faster and come at you differently in third down and in the red zone part of it. So I think if it can just, you know, move them around, the quarterback to movements and keeps and so forth and, you know, tie the run in action, passing him together, you know, give him some productivity. So he's playing a favorable down distance in third down and, you know, give him some clean opportunities in the red zone.

Yeah, you always want to have favorable don in distance, Donner. You certainly want that whenever you're talking about an offense again. You won't matriculate the ball. Just tain you up here for you. Just tain you up. Lopezburg. Yeah. Are we going to have back today? I didn't get the time of it. A little Irish guy probably gets a son on his face.

It looks like that. Hey, that looks all. You look unbelievable. AJ, please. AJ, please. AJ. There you go. There is. AJ, you look good on the bike there. There's all right, Ty. There's a, there you go. Tone, tone. Tone. Tone. Tone.

Don't do it. Flip it around. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I got the height on it. Back at you. Okay, so the backwards hat boys are here to talk a little ball, and I am certainly having a blast about that. Okay, let's talk. J.J. McCarthy, potentially getting back onto the field. Obviously, Carson Wentz has the night that he has under duress. They had Sam Darnold in that building, obviously.

They had Danny Dimes in that building beforehand. Aaron allegedly was interested. in going there. Now you're talking about guys that are having incredible seasons and the Vikings are in the situation that they're in. Excited to see how they move past that. Hopefully, JJ is a guy. Let's talk about another quarterback that is having an absolutely massive season,

which I assume is no surprise to you. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Coach, like three or four weeks ago, the Cowboys were pretty much left for dead, even though DAC had been doing, you know, unbelievable. The last couple weeks, defenses looked a little bit better. What's your overall thought on the Cowboys as we stand

right now? And do you think they're kind of I mean, we've already heard Jerry mention it, and it's kind of been floating around. Like, are they going to be buyers at the trade deadline thinking that they actually might be able to kind of make some noise down the stretch and going into the playoffs? Yeah, I mean, clearly, staying out of the home or mindset here. I mean, we've talked about this since the draft. I think this isn't an ascending football team. I think they did the right things during the offseason, you know, as far as going through, you know, veteran free agency, you know, the draft. and my experience of being a head coach

is the biggest improvement of your football team comes from the players that are already there and they've got an excellent block room and an excellent group of core players and they're young. You know, I look at the Cowboys and the Packers very similar. These are young teams that are only going to get better.

And I think that, you know, with the injury challenge that every team has, if they can just stay in front of that a little bit more, this team's going to get better each week. And I do agree with you on the defense. I mean, the offense has hit their stride. You know, they're putting up big, numbers. But, you know, also I think when you look at stats, you know, the defense is played in two

overtime games. So, you know, that, you know, that goes both ways. That, that definitely weighs nine your statistics. And I think of the defense, if they can, you know, the mindset, if they can just get one stop, a half, you know, build that up to one stop a quarter in a way the offense is playing. And their special teams, particularly, you know, their battery, their core guys are as good as anybody's in the league. So I think this is a very good football team that has an arrow pointing up. I've always felt that. As far as being buyers, I think they just got to stay the course. You know, Micah Parsons deserve the contract that he received in Green Bay.

And, you know, on a personal level, when you see one of your players get that contract, it's obviously exciting because he's definitely earned that. But what it has put, it has put Dallas in a position to do second contracts on their, on their draft class guys that are coming up. And that's where AJR experience in Green Bay, you know, we are able to keep signing all those second contracts. And you do not have enough good football players. We've talked about this on the show before, 77 players will win a Super Bowl.

And I think what they're doing in their roster development is exactly the way you need to do it. They've gotten more second contracts done in the last two months. And I think that I know I saw my time there. And that's a huge, huge benefit to the overall roster development of that football team. Young team, excellent locker room. They can lean on the offense right now. I do believe the defense is going to be better. It's the third, you know, three defensive coordinators in three years.

That stuff does factor a little bit, especially, you know, philosophically, they've gone back more to more 23 than what they were in 24. So I just think this is a good team that they can stay healthy, keep working together. It's a really good group of guys that bust their ass, and that's the facts, Jack. You know, that's what I feel about those guys. Yeah, and I was about to say, you've never been bitter, even whenever you joined us at the draft, which was just a couple months removed from, you know, you no longer being the head coach of the team. You talked about how good you thought that team was, how good the roster was,

is then when the Micah thing happens, you don't bury anybody. You stayed very above board with the entirety of it all. And you just talked about roster development and second contracts and everything like that. Shall we give Landman Jerry Jones a little bit more credit, maybe? Because everybody kills him for everything. But it sounds like you're talking about actually being able to build from within and keep your own guys, which is what I don't think a lot of people think of whenever they think of the Dallas Cowboys. Everybody thinks Jared Jones got his hands on too many things.

He's ruined in the roster as opposed to any other stuff. Who takes the compliment for being able to build the wrong? roster the way it is. And how did you know that this group was going to be a group that was going to be good, even though, you know, there was a lot of shit being thrown at him after the micah trade? Well, first off, I do want to thank you for recognizing my EQ there, Pat. That was awesome. Secondly, I do think it's good EQ. That is good. It's good. It's good. It's good. But, okay. Awesome. This is EQ. This is EQ. There you go. Yeah. Yeah, I potted that up. No problem. I think it's their process here.

You know, I think the process of, you know, how they built, you know, build the roster. It's, you know, it's, you're looking at this thing as two, three, four years of draft classes that are come together. And one of the things I know when I first went to Green Bay and the benefit of working in Kansas City, I always felt was our off-season program was so good because so many guys lived there in the off-season. And, you know, in Green Bay, that was a bit of a challenge. So we had some guys, you know, later in a career that would stay there year-round. But the benefit you have in Dallas, Texas, is your whole teams here are 12 months out of the year. And these guys are developing and working out together all the time. Even if it's not at the facility, it could be across the street, you know.

So this is a very tight. The White House. Oh, man. That's what Jerry. In a wait room now. Hey, hey, hey, yeah. That's what he was talking about, right? Well, you get to do my son on you.

your face here, my man. Come on, Pat. I was trying to give you, I was trying to talk some real ball here. Yeah, you're going to move that out of it. Me too. Me too. Let's get him back. What we do?

Here we go, Coach. We're back. We're back. We're back. White House. I'm sorry, it wasn't across the street. I was across the practice field. I'm sorry.

I catch you out there. But you're saying the boys are around. You're saying the boys are around. Oh, no, they're there all the time. I mean, it's a good group. And Daxon, I mean, he's an incredible leader. You know, he has a, you know, a situation where he's, He's part of a, you know, a workout facility there that, I mean, you go in there, you know, January, February, March, there's 40, 50 NFL players there.

So it's just a really good training environment. I just think that, you know, and we used to say it every year in Green Bay when we were together, you know, the biggest improvement will come from the guys that are already there. The draft class is great. You know, the free agents you're at. You're nice because they're new, they're fresh, but the dudes, the main dudes, your core guys, that's what makes the needle move each and every year. And I think Dallas is in that mode right now. I do. I think I got a chance to be a pretty good damn football team next couple of years. George Pickens, obviously, huge pickup as well.

It fits right into the culture. Yeah, huge. And him playing as good as he's playing and buying in as quickly as he has. Good for him because he was fun to watch whenever he was playing good football. And obviously, there's always going to be stuff around wide receivers. I'm happy he's getting the Rock, DAC, handling it perfectly. Now, let's talk about some things that have come up in a couple different games. Now, obviously, a couple different games.

There's been some blatant misses when it comes to the refs. But the reps as a whole have become a little bit of a conversation piece. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Coach, there's actually a study U-TEP just did, and they kind of released it about benefiting from certain calls as teams. And, you know, the chiefs were the team to spotlight. And I have a Patriots helmet on my desk. So believe me, I get it, okay?

But T.J. Lange said, like, basically along the lines of, look, like when the Packers, you know, when we were really going, when we were the best, you know, like sometimes there were certain crews where we would benefit from. And I saw some people respond to that saying that's the single dumbest thing said in modern history. But I don't think T.J. Lang took it that serious. But when it comes to those type of things, refing crews, you know, and not just in the NFL, and NCAA and kind of all sports, even, you know, umpire crews, if that's how that works,

whatever, you get it. When it comes to NFL refing crews, why do you think some crews have a different feel for the game? Do you think that is, you know, kind of depending on the teams? Do you think that's depending on the weather? Like, why do you think that refs kind of decides and go about games kind of differently on a week-to-week basis when fans like myself just kind of see it as like, hey, whether it's a one o'clock game, whether it's a primetime game, whether it's Wednesday afternoon football, like the game needs to be called the exact same no matter what?

well I look at it you know every season you know as a journey you look at you know as a head coach and you look at players you know the vibe and how everything moved through your season you know where you are as a team there's ups and downs and the ebb and flow is so critical well I mean the officiating crews they go through the same thing and I think the biggest thing is to answer your question specifically there's a number of variables I think that go into how these crews have to manage their ebb and flow of the season. This is obviously my opinion. I think number one, the White Hat, you know, he's the leader of the crew. He has the biggest effect on the crew each and every week because these guys put a ton of work into it. And I think one of the best things the league has done here of late, the last, you know, how many years it's been, five, six, seven years is having the crews be a big part of the training camp. So you're seeing these guys, these crews are going out to two or three training camps themselves. So now the interaction with the players and coaches is higher than it's. ever been. So, you know, interaction, common legwins, common understanding. The, you know, the fact that, you know,

players get to know the name in the face of each guy. I've always put the guys up in front of the team meeting room and had them, you know, interact as much as possible, encourage them to be around the players as much as possible in the, in the cafeteria and things like that. So that's part of it. But as a season goes on, they're getting graded every week. You know, they understands that the trends, They know what the trends are If holdings up and what's down And they know if they miss a call And things like that too

So the human nature Do they? Oh, I think so Oh, I think so I think the human nature Coach, coach That pool report shit is bullshit The after

Yeah, I'm not stand up for the poll report Yeah, the pool I mean, who wants I mean, I don't even know why they do the poll report Yeah, exactly Yeah, I mean That's what we're saying Yeah, because

you know, I mean, what do we test in their immediate accountability after the game? So, I mean, so there's another box to check. You know, I, yeah, that to me, I, yeah, I must have missed something. I don't know, I don't know anything, but there's something happening to a poll report that I

missed in my deep dive? No, you said that these guys know whatever they get a call wrong or whatever, then every time we hear from them, it's always his pool report and they go, well, we actually did this and there's no accountability. So, like, one of the reasons why people get so mad is because they're seemingly no accountability from the refs at all, and they'll send you guys an email

hey, we miss this one. So yeah, you guys lost the game, your entire staff is probably getting fired, and the player has a low light for the rest of his life on there, but we missed that call, we apologize. It's like the accountability thing is always like the biggest, I think, from the fans. So you're saying they know they missed the call,

I think that's big news. Like, okay, at least behind Well, I'm not saying immediately after the game, Pat, you know, I mean, the pull to court of your, you know, I'm sorry, I didn't interrupt. Coach, they claim they claim they get graded from whoever their top official is they say they grade them and then those guys don't get playoff games if you're one of the lower graded crews I guess at least that's what they've said to me yeah yeah that's what I was referring to the post game evaluation process

that they do go through I you know I do know they go then and then as a coach you do have the opportunity to call the league office and you know call the regional director so I just think that it's just like anything I mean you know you want to solve problems heighten the communication, heighten the education, heighten the interaction, between the people that you want to perform better. And I think the league office has done that

with the officiating crews. You have the opportunity to communicate more with those guys. More today, I know them back in 2006, you know, when I first became a head coach. So I think the system of trying to get it right, they're definitely working it. But, you know, the end of the day,

I know one of the things, you know, just watching TV, You know, being a fan, it looks like they've had a lot of change in personnel, too. So, I mean, there's a, you know, there's a newer guy. There's more going on. So, I mean, that takes time, too. So, but I do think the white hats, you know, the head guys are very much impactful on how that crew is going to officiate each week. And in the communication that goes into that.

And, you know, the fact that they can communicate now during the game on the headsets, I think, is as was a huge asset when they put that in. And what's that, 10 years now? 8, 9, you know, so it kind of all runs together. But I think all those steps have been very beneficial to improve in our game or attempting to be. I agree. And I even like the New York calling in saying, hey, this is obvious. Get away with it. But then whenever they lie about it, I mean, it's just a tough gig.

Nobody wants to be a refs. There's a lot of new refs, a lot of good refs leaving. I think they're only going to continue to get better. Let's get some more players in a pipeline to become officials in the NFL as well. Last question here about the biggest game of the weekend. AP tone has one about another. McCarthy Bowl. Go ahead, Tom.

We had McCarthy Bowl 1. That was the Cowboys and Packers earlier this year, ending in overtime. We have McCarthy Bowl 2 this weekend, Sunday night football. Aaron Rogers and the Steelers take on the Green Bay Packers. Coach, obviously, you have some ties of this one. I don't know if you're going to be there or not,

but how do you think this affects Aaron? Because obviously you know Aaron better than a lot of us, like the motivation going into Sunday night football. How do you feel Aaron deals with that and just the game overall? Well, first off, you guys are awesome because you've communicated so well, that this is actually in McCarthy Bulls. And I've been invited to this one.

So I'm really good. Let's go. But yeah, I think it's going to be a hell of a game. You know, and I think just fall, you know, fall ball back in Pittsburgh, the Packers coming to time. I think it's going to be incredible setting. Really looking forward to watching the game. So I think it's a pick-em.

You know, I'm going back to the old pigskin games. I don't even know what the line is. Don't want to know what the line is. I think this is going to be a hell of a football game. a football game. Looking forward to watch it. I'm excited for you to get back there and hopefully get your love. I'm happy you were invited and we appreciate the hell out of you

coach. I think the backwards hat, not a bad play. You know, Dan Quinn started doing it. You saw it. He became like a Florida man. Whenever he could join you, he started doing a backwards hat under your leadership. We appreciate the hell out of you, coach. Safe travels back to Pittsburgh. All right, man. Have a great week. Thank you.

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Yeah, I didn't know that. Honestly, I didn't get to see the pick segment of program yesterday. I thought you guys did an incredible job. I'm very thankful for you guys. I'm down here in Nashville. Yesterday was one of the coolest days that has ever happened. Obviously, you guys did a great job. I assumed everybody was going to be on the Chargers. Honestly, I just, as soon as I saw the line, I'm like, this feels like a Chargers. This team is very good. Now, obviously, they looked like ass last week against the Colts and dressed like ass last week against the Colts with the yellow jerseys. And to your point, to start this thing, one half of the hammer, done.

Cowboys, AP tone. Maybe they just decided to wear the better uniform, and that's why the football gods blessed them as opposed to the yellow. And the Toxic Table at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. This Chargers team, Ty, look like who we thought they could potentially be. And what a perfect time maybe to have their best game thus far, Ty. Yeah, without a doubt. Like you mentioned, especially coming off Lat,

because I think a lot of people were jumping off the Chargers bandwagon after last week. Hey, this team's so beat up. But like Connor mentioned in the first hour, when Justin Herbert plays like this, man, it's hard to envision many teams that they can beat anybody. You know, and they're one of those teams who, you know, a couple teams have been super banged up this year. and their season has gone one way, and it's kind of like, oh, it's over already.

But, you know, for their offensive line and running backs to be as banged up as they have been and them kind of just stay in the course and continuing to look this good, like, yeah, I'd agree, especially with Harbaugh and Herbert. Like, I don't think this is a team you really want to see down the stretch if you're in, you know, playoff contention in the AFC. Yeah, I, Joe Alts, an absolute force. The Chargers seemingly good with whoever's on their roster. and Ladd-McConkey is going to be one of the ones, you know, just long-term.

Now, let's pivot away from last night's game. Let's do some NFL news. Remember when Dayball was telling the unaffiliated neurological consultant person to hurry it up with his quarterback in the blue tent? You know, he pokes his head in there and goes, hey, what's you do? He's got a cigar. He watches one rep from Russell Wilson, who we're learning now is one of the greatest tweeters of all time. Love what he did there.

He's one rep of Russell Wilson. goes, I don't think so, goes into the blue tent, says, where's Jackson, Dart, the entire thing? Everybody the next day goes, that can't happen, full uproar, obviously, because the reason why that blue tent was made is so that the unc and the doctors can get a little alone time without any pressure

of making a decision that isn't good for the player, but it is good for the team maybe getting back in there. Everybody thought they were going to come down hard on Dayball for this entire thing. Well, they find them all. So the NFL was fine, the Giants, $200,000. Head coach Brian Dayball, $100,000,

Cam Scataboo, 15,000, because you remember he put his, the issue with him is his head's so big. He poked his head in there. It's like when one of those Texas Longhorns puts their head into something. The whole blue tent rattled when Scataboo put his head into that thing because of how large it is. That's what the $15,000 finds for. I think he'd be okay to be proud of that. But Dayball getting $100,000 directly and then the Giants getting $200,000 as a whole is certainly enough money that makes, like, head coaches say, I'm not doing that again. I'm not going to lose $100,000.

But I don't know if any punishment would be as big as what people wanted the next day. AJ, do you remember how people were reacting the day after about this? I had no idea in the watching it in real time that people would freak out that much. Me neither. Dayball going in and hey, well, what do we get a little more, a little bit of a... Get them out of there! Law on the line here. It's not going good. You know, that entire thing?

It certainly is, it was abnormal, especially because doctor... That is awesome visual. Hey, hey, come on! Can we do the test? One, two, follow you on. Can we? What are we doing here? Let's get after it.

So him doing that, and there's a doctor going to, you're not supposed to do that. There's no way. I assume that medical person says that, but on that exact night before the game starts, who's Dr. Stills, I think, is the name from the NFL? Sills. Dr. Sills from the NFL actually did a social media video about how this is a sanctuary in here. This is sacred fight, this blue tent. This is what's in here.

Nobody's lied in here at all. And then four hours later, day ball is just poking his head. Let's kind of go ahead and do this. So I think they made obviously a massive deal out of it. I don't think the NFL wants to see anybody trying to interfere, influence medical people, into getting players back on the field, especially with, you know, all the injuries. And especially when it comes to concussions, everything they've been through over the last 15 years of science, kind of telling us what it is.

So, yeah, 200,000, 100,000, and 15,000. I don't know if it'll be enough for the people that wanted maybe Dayball to be kicked off the tour, Doug. But it certainly is a punishment from the NFL AJ. Yeah, if I was Scataboo, I'm appealing that, though. I would say, hey, I was trying to go see the doctor. Like, what do you mean? I was next in line or something.

That's always got to say, for real. Everybody's judging. They don't think I could have had a headache. I get it. My head is a part of my superpowers, but I was also feeling a little. Yeah. I appealed that thing. We just got cut in half, maybe.

I don't know. That's $7,500. Mine would be a hilarious fine from the NFL. Have you ever seen one that small? They used to cut fine. They used to like you could get some leeway. If you got fine, 15, you might be able to cut it in half. Then they stopped doing that a long time ago, I think.

These fines are huge. There was an entire report or a statement, I guess, from McCarthy here, Brian McCarthy, the NFL's PR, and it's a joint statement from the NFL and the NFLPA about how they got to this and what, you know, that blue tent represents and what it is, what players and coaches can't do. So they obviously take care of that. And it's a lot of words. That's a big statement, Brian.

I mean, come on. It feels like a story, dude. Can we get a statement a little bit? You know, I'm not reading that right now on air. Statements should be very easily read, like, let's just get to it. You know, there's like two paragraphs set in the tone. And I assume the NFLPA and the NFL are jousting for every word on how it goes there. But that's a lot of words to be put out of statement.

Basically can't do it is what they all said. Can't do it. So congrats to them, kind of getting done with that entire thing. The Bengals have a situation brewing. Conman, what's going on with the Bengals and their linebacker, brother? Yeah, absolute dog Logan Wilson yesterday. Kind of requested a trade out of nowhere, it felt like, especially coming off a Bengals' massive win.

I do believe this is a situation where he's just kind of yelling at air. Great tweet from Schefter. Awesome. Got to love it. But just based off the Bengals history, don't think anything's really going to come with this. This is kind of news that's not news because it's the Bengals, but there is a disgruntled linebacker in Cincinnati.

And, I mean, AJ, you probably know. Logan Wilson for the Bengals is so good. I've been following this. So there's two young rookie linebackers that are getting a lot more time. This has been going on for, I don't know, two, three, four weeks now where Logan Wilson's playtime has just been, you know, reduced. And I was in the stadium last Thursday, and I'm watching him kind of run all.

I think they said he played 40-some percent of the snaps that last Thursday game. Yeah, Logan Wilson's actually handled it very well. I've heard him speak to the media, and he said, like, hey, I'm going to support these guys. Like, I know they're stepping in and they're playing more than me, but I'm going to be there. I'm going to be a leader and support him and answer all their questions. He's doing it the right way.

It sounds like behind the scenes with him, but I don't know. Ty. Ty? AJ's saying he's doing it the right way. Who does it sound like over there in Cincinnati? It sounds an awful lot like Trey Hendrickson, and it sounds like we have a new budding squeak-scalari situation in Cincinnati.

and Addie. I don't love it, but hey, listen, the proof's in the pudding. If you disrespect me or offend me, 15 to 16 more times, I'm done with it. I understand where Logan's coming from, and I appreciate you saying doing it the right way. And I view, I mean, I guess I used to view it the same way. I say, sorry, being a good teammate to the guys who are, the young rookies who are stepping. He's not a dick to them, which is very natural if that did happen. Yeah, and that's like him as a human Which I think we try to say the right way

Because we've been in there And it's like, hey, you don't need to be a distraction But the right way seemingly in these situations Is never the right answer to get something done It feels like you You seemingly have to be just a terrible trick Unfortunately, that is the case, isn't it? It does feel that way

And I hate that. I hate that that's the case Because you and me both say like Hey, Trey Hendrickson's doing it the right way here Okay, he's trying to be above board here He's trying to be good to the rookies He understands his value. He's going in there talking to media. He's not really burying anybody.

Owner comes out to Trey Hendrickson and says, at some point, these guys just got to be thankful they're getting offered to anybody. Yeah. And then Trey goes, oh, they say there, we say ours. I still think there's a, you know, he's doing it the right way. He's doing it the right way. He's doing it the right way. They give him $13 million more, I assume at this point,

Logan Wilson requests a trade, and Trey Hendrickson looks at him and goes, join a club, bud. You think we want to play here? Yeah, right. Unless you're like the loudest and the worst of all time, I don't think it's going to sway anybody, including the Cincinnati Bengals. You know, and the Bengals have just been kind of steadfast on how this all goes, AJ. More news coming out of the NFL.

Sean Payton says, whoa! That's not. That was it. What's that tweet? That tweets about me. Is that what happened? I don't think I know the full context of this one, Tone Diggs. What did Sean Payton come out and say about the Russell Wilson

pressure that Russell Wilson certainly responded to for the first time in the history of Russell Wilson being Russell Wilson? Yeah, he basically said that this was all about Jackson Dart and complimenting Jackson Dart. He had nothing to do with Russell Wilson. That's obviously not how Russell Wilson took it. I don't know if I believe Sean or not based on their past, but I bet some people do think he was just talking positive about Jackson Dart.

I am not one of those people that does. Nope. Here's him talking about the situation. I did. Look, and the euphoria, the way that game unfolded, that was strictly about dark. I mean, and I, that was in no way, shape, or form of anything that was directed at Russ. And I might be able to see how he might perceive that, coming off that win and watching how. he played

yeah that that wasn't any intention at all yeah yeah so listen I'm putting somebody up doesn't mean I'm burying somebody I mean I certainly

I guess I relistened to it yeah I could see how he Rising Tides The euphoria The uh it was a Yeah I uh This is all right enough

I was talking about him That's what he said You know what I was Yeah Hey, that's next week. That's next week coming out after something where he goes, I know how you all thought I said something last week. I like to let you know, I'm doing that right now.

This guy, so much better than that guy. I can't take it. Sean Payton has a little pizzazz, been in the media. Obviously, he understands how this all works. But I think the reason why it's such a big story is because Russell Wilson did something that is very abnormal for Mr. Unlimit. He did a little burial as opposed to something that kind of feeds the internet to him. So a little bit out of character

from the Russell Wilson. And, you know, he's always, let's ride the high road. And we've told him, I think, over the past, he needs to stop doing that. He needs to start, you know, letting people know that this is not okay, the way they talk about him. I like him talking his shit a lot, AJ. I do, too. I like these three emojis. How would you

describe those right there? How about Bruce retweet and favoring this thing as quickly as possible when it burns off the words? Yeah, the favorites, the likes, is an interesting, now It's not time for this company. No, I know.

The views as well. The likes going private. The views obviously indicate that it's been seen by a lot of people. How long has it been seen by somebody to just pop on a feed? Who knows? 5.3,000 people say, I want to revisit this. Yeah. I like to revisit this.

And we'd like to let Russell Wilson know that anytime you want to let these off, brother, we are here for it. And I still believe, in my heart of hearts, that Scataboo, Jackson, Darden, Dayball. We're sitting around. saw the video go like it's to Russell Wilson like he's talking shit about you buddy and then Scatibu goes

out of bad you know and Jackson Dart says this ain't how we roll and then Dayball goes no quarterback on my team is just going to be taking shots from a coach on another team and I think there was a potential motivation around Russell Wilson

be like hey just one time just one time will you fight for yourself and stand up for yourself So I'd like to tell Russell, well, listen, we hope this is a new era. Oh, yeah, Russ. Let's talk about football a little bit getting better. You know, the dynamic kickoff last year was supposed to be the big savior of special teams, but they adjusted the 35-yard line touchback drive start to the 30-yard drive start after a touchback.

And we thought the 35-yard line rule was a good one. When they moved to 30, I think everybody that knows special teams was like, this ain't going to change a kickoff much. this year off season they moved to 35. Thank God they did that. These numbers are in crazy. 79.3% of kickoffs have been returned. That's 877 of 1100, up from 31.7% last year, whenever they made it a little bit of adjustment, which was obviously up, obviously, immensely from the year prior to that. Highest return rate in 19 years, there have been 32. That's back whenever the kickoff was at the 30 and they were kicking brand new balls, I believe. So balls weren't easily as pumped through the end zone, so people were forced to return them.

There have been 32 returns of at least 40 yards, which is the most through week seven since 2012. And there have been the most kickoff returns and kick return yards and second highest kick return average through week seven in NFL history. I don't want to do McCarthy's job. That one in the bottom leads the way most in NFL history. All the ones that are kind of most since, you kind of put those towards the bottom, McCarthy. Let's lead the storyline at the top for most in NFL history whenever we're putting out these bullet points on that note. They were talking about how many games, how many thousands of plays did they say were going to be added when they were dreaming of something? up a year ago whenever we were talking to Riz

in the special teams? I thought it was like thousands. Yeah, 1500,000, I thought is what the number was. Like, it's somewhere in there. That was the selling point, AJ, and now it's kind of coming to fruition here. Good thing or bad thing for the NFL, especially because we've seen the end of some of these games with kickers hitting the ball

fat and it hitting the ground before the landing zone, then a 40-yard line drive start whenever it really matters. So some people are saying, wait, there's more pressure and more influence on kickers in the game? What are your thoughts on it, AJ, now that we've kind of gone through it a little bit. Yeah, I think it's good.

It took something. I mean, we, the old style kickoff looked better. When you're running, you have, you know, they're gaining ground 40, 50 yards, and they're hitting each other. But there was, like, the fact that there's way more returns, it's better. It's good for the league. I understand the, you know, the aspect of the player safety, and they claim there's less concussions.

I'm not sure how all that works. But I think it's great. It makes it a play. And now, even, like, even if you're up, like, it's still a thing. Like, how was it going to have? Dicker last night, kicked one. Yes. donned off the calf of one of his guys

in the front line. They didn't even know it. So it's always a thing. It can always happen. It's wild. And that's what's cool. Like it puts more emphasis on kickers now. Like now the kicking itself is more difficult. Like we've seen games end because you know, kickers haven't been able to get it all the way through and guys have returned it during

a vital time when, you know, a two minute warning or anything. But Pat, do you think kickers are going to be practicing now more than the kids practicing for the Vanderbilt kick tomorrow? Or do you think that is more so one of those things? The punters will just had to have to do. A massive respect to the Vandy kids practicing their kick for the kicking contest this weekend.

That's an interesting little wrinkle being at it. They got a kicker out there training these kids on how to kick. Now, granted, I will say this, even if the guys or girls that kick are like actual ball kickers, making that kick with that amount of money with the amount of people around them is kind of the part of it all. But I appreciated them doing that. Now, back to the kickers hitting the, punters need to start working on the squibs to be hitting the kickoffs into the landing zone. I think that's going to be the next development we're

about to see with this entire kickoff. But, Ty, you tell me, it's very similar to having to throw a strike in baseball. Like kickers at the end of a game, you have to basically put the ball in play, and you have to go cover a kick. This guy might have been signed to your team literally on Thursday or Friday. He's going to be running down there to try to win you a divisional game on a kickoff, and he has to make a play. And if he peaks one way or another, it's a touchdown going back. That's basically what they wanted out of this kickoff, though. They wanted more they wanted more excitement. But at the end of games, tie, it's very similar to baseball, right?

Doesn't you feel like that? Yeah, for sure. It's the same thing as like if the bases are loaded, you have no choice but to throw to the guy, you know, like it, because if you do anything, they're going to score run or it's a situation where if it's like the bottom half of the last thing, you know, the most important time of the game, you don't have a choice, you don't have a free base. And that's also what I, like, what I feel like I've kind of noticed with some of these kicks

at the end of the game, like if a team scores a touchdown to maybe take a, a three or like a seven point lead a lot of times they won't even try to do the squib anymore like they they will just boot it deep because they they are it's not either they don't have a guy who's capable of landing it in the uh landing zone or they're just worried that something is going to go catastrophic and you still end up the other i feel like it's happened so many times you take that lead they get the ball in the 35 and then you're kind of playing pre-vent a little bit and then with before you know it like the other team is either in the red zone with an opportunity to with a little bit of time left.

Like, it is, it's really changing how teams approach the end of the game. Yeah, and they're already talking about just kicking the ball out of bounds. Yeah. Like, never has there ever been like, hey, just turn left and do the worst possible thing on a kickoff, kick it out of bounds. And now that's become damn near a strategy if there's, you know, 205 left or something. Yeah, college still does the old school kickoff.

So it's fun to turn on on Saturdays and see them running and cover it. And I believe one, you know, the greatest college football coach of all time that just sat down with Pat. There you are. And gentlemen, the goat in the toughest environment in the SEC. His words, not mine, ladies and gentlemen. Coach, next thing. Yeah, Coach, obviously the story of you talking about Vandy a couple years back on this particular program took on a life of its own because what Vandy would go on to become and what they are now.

$130 million renovation is brand new stadium. They opened up in August. How does it feel to be here in understanding that this Vandy football team is for real and also feels like they're in. invested for the future down here, which is abnormal for the SEC, obviously. Yeah, well, there's no question about it. I mean, that wasn't there when I was the last time I was here. This wasn't here. The basketball arena wasn't there.

So they have made a commitment and it's working, and I think it's good for the league. And I have picked against them time and time again, and I want everybody out there to know that I am a J.O. You know what that means? I'm jumping on the bandw.

I don't know. I think that's what it's coming. You're going to have something else. Yeah, Coach say, but, yeah, J.O. could be Jackoff. Or Jack. There's a lot of J&O. You know, there's a lot that could kind of get in. I mean, there's a lot that could kind of get in. I define my J-O-O-Doh.

Yes, you did. That was smart. That was good player. That was good EQ, sense of awareness. A lot of people jumping on their bandwagon here. Mizzou also, very good football team. Game Day here for Vandy Mazu, seemingly very improbable. But with the NIL and Transfer Portal,

All these teams have a chance to make big-time leaps in their talent level, especially if they have supportive kind of boosters. What have you seen from Vandy? What have you seen from Mizzou? And what are your thoughts on that as a whole? Yeah, well, I think that the culture of college football now relative to no guard brails gives places like this the opportunity, if they want to make a commitment, which they did here, not only in the facilities, but they have a competitive

collective, where they have a chance to get some of these players in. They've made some academic adjustments where they can get some transfers in that are freshman, sophomores, or graduates. So they've done the things that they needed to do to have a competitive program, and it's paid off for them. And, you know, I still say this all the time. This is a great academic institution, but the window that people look at this institution

is really going to be a lot through the athletic program, And there's no way that they can get more exposure than having game day here and playing in a big game like they did last week against LSU and they're going to do this week against Missouri. Yeah, Diego Pavia feels like a guy who's ready for the moment. Same with Coach Lee. Good for them, happy for them. You talked about how, you know, you've got to be able to live up to the hype, live up to the hype, can't be a flash in the pan. They're the faces of like kind of creating a whole new culture overnight alongside Indiana as well. What is different you think between those two particular programs as opposed to people?

people that have used NIL and been good and then got bad. Why do you think these two have been kind of sustainable here for the first couple of years? Well, I think that, first of all, you know, Kirk Signetti's done a really good job of, you know, everybody uses a term rat poison. But he's done a good job of controlling the spotlight on his team and keeping his guys focused. You know, the more distractions you have, the more fragile psychologically your people become in terms of their ability to sustain success, consistency in performance defined success to me, not just having one successful game or season or whatever. And he's done a really good job of that. I think this is still the question mark for

Vanderbilt. You know, can they deal with the flash? You know, can they deal with the success? I saw signs at Alabama when they played a couple weeks ago down there. You were there where that wasn't the case. So can they do that? Did they learn their lesson there? And can they finish this season strong? Which if they do, they're going to have a chance possibly to get in a playoff. Boys, coach was so pissed that Diego was practicing victory formation at Warburg. Oh, so pissed. It was. It is a weird thing to practice in warm-ups, isn't? You understand that. Look at it right now. He's shaking his head. He's about the future. Yeah, what's that about, coach? I love Diego. But that would have been a

catastrophic player-coach relationship moment before the game. I mean, I never wanted our players to ever do anything. I didn't even let them talk to the other team. I never wanted them to do anything that was going to affect the other team's motivation to beat us. So don't ever say anything. Don't ever give anybody a reason. They got enough reason to want to beat us. Don't give them any more.

Yeah, everybody wants Bama, brother. The reason is because the way you were able to kind of psychologically put your boys into a position to success for so damn long. And everybody does it differently. Diego has certainly captured the entire world by storm. And us talking to him last week, he seems like he is just continuing to more mature every single week and get used to it. Absolute dog, though. He is an absolute dog. I'm very appreciative of him in college football.

Tone has a question for you back into Thunderdome. Yeah, coach, there are a lot of job openings already this year, and there's a lot of pros and cons to every single job opening. If you are a coach that is, you know, being lured in by these schools, what do you look for? What is most important to coaches when they go to these schools? Is it NIL? Is it recruiting base? Is it the AD and president in support of the school?

Is it, you know, facilities? There's so much that goes into these coaching or is it where you're from? Is it your alma mater or stuff like that? What do these coaches look and what do they value most when they're looking at potentially going to a new school that's offered? freedom. Well, where you're from has none to do with it, but all of the other things that you mentioned absolutely do. And I think that the most important thing when you take a job is how do you establish the ground rules going in? All right, you've got all these people giving money so that you can pay players, but does that come with them having some influence on what

happens in the program and how you coach your team and how you coach the players and all that? So, you know, to me, when I took a job, I said, okay, this is how it's going to be. I'm not listening to the Board of Trustees. They're not telling me who to recruit. They're not telling me who to play. I mean, I'm not. So understand that going in. And go tell them before I take the job because I'm not listening to that bullshit.

All right. So that was, because I didn't want to have to deal with that. So you need to set the ground rules for all those things. What is name, image, and likeness going to be like here? How is our administration going to be evolved? What's the academic circumstance that you're going to support so that we don't have issues when it comes to academics? Facilities are important.

They're not as important as they used to be because you could have the nicer facilities in the world, but if you don't have any money to pay the players, they're not coming. So all those things are factors, but I think establishing the ground rules before you get there is the most important thing. Can't be house poor, how you're saying the facilities used to matter, but now if we're going to do $45 million into facilities or $35 million into the players, let's go ahead and feed these players.

Feed the players. If we can do both. Feed the beast. Yeah, let's certainly do that. Feed the stud, brother. Yeah. That isn't a bad strategy actually across any of the parties. You said being from somewhere maybe you shouldn't factor in as much as it has.

Clark, you know, here he is, Vandy guy. And there's a lot of quotes of him talking about becoming the number one program in the country. I think Kenny Dillingham also, he's very proud to be from the valley over there Arizona State. Some of these jobs, though, are about to make some pretty crazy offers, right? Wouldn't you think? Florida, Penn State, there's obviously huge jobs on the horizon that are going to be available. Virginia Tech just said they're putting in $229 million into it. It feels like there's going to be a lot of big-time numbers for some of these coaches. Do you agree with that? I absolutely agree with that. I think there'll be some huge numbers,

but I also think that some of the guys that you mentioned, you know, Clark being here, you know, Kenny being at Arizona State, they probably understood how to set the ground rules and what the place needed to do because they had previous experience here, which probably helped them set the table for what they needed to do in the future. Got it. My point was, just because you're from someplace, doesn't mean it's going to help you win. But I think if you have knowledge and they're willing to make a commitment to doing those things, then you've got a chance.

Yeah, there's a man standing right over there. We're talking about how much money these coaches are going to get. Somebody else is going to be getting a little bit of cash on. all these deals too. You know, big deluxe is over there wearing his white khakis. We're in his town right now. You know, he lives in one of these penthouses. I don't know which one it is, but there's going to be a new one on the way with this new job opening, you know, Penn State and Florida. Jeez, Louise. There's going to be a lot of money in Jimmy Sexton's pockets in about a week. You know, I want to stay retired. And I do not want him anywhere near Ms. Terry.

Because when she hears some of these numbers, she gets interested. That was last week. I believe that was last week whenever the question in the grab bag was who's going to be the next coach of Penn State? And it was just so easy because everybody on the internet had put you there. Penn Stateers were like, Penn State needs to go to Nick Sabin and say any number that he wants. So then we bring in obviously Ms. Terry the boss and she goes, I haven't heard a number yet. And I was like, oh, wait a minute. That just made athletic directors out there go, okay, oh, oh, oh, that wasn't a complete no there. That was a, we could kind of work with this? At this stage, okay?

No way. All right. I have so much fun working with you. Why would I go do that? Yeah, I mean, you would potentially do that because maybe one of these places has a never-ending supply of money, and boy, they would like the fucking win. So I think there is a, I think there's a chance that that's on the horizon. Let's continue to talk a little bit more about ball. AJ has a question for you, coach.

There's a lot of good games this weekend. One, I think maybe flying under the radar, Michigan traveling to Michigan, I know you coached at Michigan State for a while. What is that rivalry like? I know I've seen the clips of guys coming out pregame and, you know, turfing up the logo, all that kind of stuff. How do you think that goes? And what was it like being in the middle of that?

Well, you know, I think these rivalry games sometimes have a little imbalance in terms of what it means to one school versus another. And let me explain. You know, the Michigan-Ohigh State game probably for the Michigan players is huge. The Michigan State-Michigan game for the Michigan. state players is the huge game because, you know, they're sort of the not the most talked about school in the state, so they got a lot to prove. Some of them probably would have liked to go into school at Michigan. They ended up at Michigan State, so there's a lot for them

to try to prove in a game like this. But I do think, and I was very impressed with the way Michigan played last week against Washington on both sides of the ball. So, and Michigan State struggled of the late. But I tell you, there's been some huge upsets in this series in the past, and it's always an interesting game. Talk about that one side views the rivalry a little bit bigger than the other side. It's natural, especially with how many rivalries there are in college ball. But I think you've talked about your Alabama team. There being a couple of games that maybe it's harder to get your boys to believe that this is a rivalry than maybe some other games. And the other team is the biggest game of their season. How do you kind of adjust that with your

squad? Yeah, well, that was always a little bit of an issue as time went on. at Alabama because it's generational with the Alabama folks, but a lot of people see Tennessee is the big rivalry at Alabama. This generation sees Auburn that way. And then LSU became such a big rivalry game because they were always so good and we were always pretty good and that game had such significance in terms of we played late in the season and whoever won was going to win the SEC or whatever. So it became harder and harder to harder when you have multiple. like rivalry games to get the players to focus on all of them the way you'd like for them too knowing that the other team like Auburn was always going to be ready to play us yeah so especially

when we played there so everybody wanted Bama brother everybody still yeah yeah yeah still there still there still we won Bama because of what you were running there at what point did you realize like oh we are the mountain basically is that after your your fifth national when Well, is it the fourth, the third? When do you realize, like, oh, we are the mountain that literally everybody is trying to. I think when we won in 9, 11, and 12, you know, when we won three out of four years. And the 10 team might have been better than the other teams. And they didn't get in the playoffs because we lost three games.

We had such complacency. But I think from that time on, it was like, you were just disgusted with that. We were going to get everybody's best game. Yeah, you certainly were. But if you could get the other team to run their mouth, that was helpful in motivating your team. Yeah, we talked about the Vandy situation here. No doubt. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, you certainly need that. I couldn't even imagine just trying to figure out how do I keep the boys motivated when we are supposed to steamroll everybody. And everybody is looking up at us. Because any given Saturday, I mean, college football much more than the NFL. Any team can get any team, especially now with kind of the parody with NIL. A couple good players in a couple good positions. Wrong Saturday, which tomorrow could be, actually. Let's pivot away from that, and let's talk a little bit about the story that's kind of captivating all of sports right now.

You as a coach, obviously, with college, this is a big part of it. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, coach, the NCAA recently okayed all three divisions to have their athletes and coaches be able to bet on professional games. And I think, you know, immediately people kind of think, well, it's a slippery slope. You know, these kids know a lot of kids at other schools and not saying that the integrity of the game will be compromised, but you could see how it starts as, hey, you're only supposed to bet on professional sports, and then eventually that kind of seeps into college. As a coach, how would you address this whole situation with not only your players, your staff?

And ultimately, do you see this being like a very, very slippery slope for college athletics as a whole and kind of ripe for a scandal? Yeah, I think there's no question about it. And, you know, Pat and I were talking about this before. but any time that you have something that is legal, that is against the rules in your sport. So gambling is legalized, but yet from an NCAA standpoint, players can't gamble. I'm on college games now. But that becomes the most difficult circumstance to try to control as a coach.

And we went to great lengths. I mean, I talked about it, but I had the FBI guy come in and tell them how they could get. caught and how they would get technically how they could, you know, follow the gambling line and all that, especially if they did it on their phone. And then I had Franchisi, Michael Franjizi, is the only mafia boss that they didn't kill when he was in jail and then he got hired to go speak everywhere. Oh, yeah, we know Francis. Yeah, I would bring him in and he would scare the players of death.

Like, you know, you might get shot someday if you do the wrong thing. So he would just scare him about how bad it was to get involved with people in gambling and how they could force you to do things you really didn't want to do. So we did a lot of things to try to make the players aware that this could be a huge problem for them and how it could affect them in their career. Which, you know, to what we were talking about before, and this is no different, I became very much a guy that talked less about team and more about individual. thinking that, you know, players are selfish, they're self-absorbed, and they're ambitious.

So how do I take advantage of that? And I would talk to them about all this behavioral stuff that could help them and enhance their value and all the behavioral stuff that actually could kill them. And this was one of those things. But they took that part of it better when you made it about them and how would it affect them rather than just talking about the team. Yeah, personal stuff. Scared Straight seemingly has worked for a long time.

I wish they would do another kind of round of that with actual prisoners and bad kids. That always created good content. Francis came and talked to us as well. Did you know about his gasoline scheme? Oh, yeah. That was brilliant. Unbelievable.

Brilliant. For somebody that used to pump gas, I was trying to figure, how could I... He was scraping just pennies off of every single gallon. By the time they were about to catch him, he was at another place. They were already gone. He was like taking... It was a great loophole.

We're talking helicopters into the city. guys got Ferraris, Lambos, probably would have bought them from you if this time was happening. Yeah, we know Francie's pretty good. Francis has been a little bit of internet beef, you know, with other mob bosses in the past. But any time you can kind of hear from the source about what the possible outcomes are, that's obviously something that can maybe make you act a little certain way. That's why I think the FBI, and I think even the NBA and all the leagues are probably going to want really heavy punishments for this. We're going to set a precedent like, hey, this ain't good.

Not just for the NBA. This is for all sports right now in the world that we're in right now. This is a huge deal. We can't give up the integrity of the sports because then everything. is gone. Sports are gone, leagues are gone, sports, gambling, everything is gone. Everything is gone. If the integrity of the game starts getting questioned, you can't have it.

I agree, 100%. You are so right. I want to let you know. I played a lot of those poker games. We need cash. We need cash not to be stupid around. I don't know if he's in Pittsburgh in the early 2000s, but cash,

I hope you just kind of missed that. The poker game one was crazy. Yeah, I mean, I can't even figure that out. How could you cheat in a poker game? I know you can deal the cards off the bottom and all that. But using AI, is that how they did it? So we had Matt Berkey on, who's a professional poker player in the first hour, because the internet was starting to run with a lot of different.

They were saying like there was an x-ray machine in the table underneath the felt and everything. It wasn't that. I think there was a potential camera that was maybe on the table that was maybe showcasing what a card was coming, which is obviously big for Holden because there's a turn and a river coming. So if that was happening, then that would mean the dealer was on the take as well, because the dealer would be showing the cards. then there's also a potential paint that they put on the outside of the decks if they were able to get the decks in there and if you have contacts lenses you can see the top of the deck so i don't think they had x-rays but i think they were using other things to certainly cheat but yeah that is like going to that extent to screw people over is obviously disgusting

no it is i mean you know we have games so people can enjoy games and uh it's not worth it to not play by the rules because that's what makes the competition fair and you know the honesty that goes into it not only built to character, but it makes you feel good about earning the success that you had doing it the right way. Agreed. AJ, do you hear that? Maybe you should think about that when you play yuker, you cheat and piece of track. I never use any technology coach. Never use any technology. I'm a great teammate. I can communicate with my teammate when I'm playing yuker. You guys, just because you're a mute. You got you almost got to be from Ohio to play yucre. We played yucre when I was at ken state. I never heard of it in west Virginia. In Pittsburgh, I never heard of it

either. And then I get out to Indiana. I play great game. Do you still play or no? No, not lately. If you play, and you and Miss Terry play, do not play AJ. He cheats. This guy's a cheetah. Like a son of a bitch. Not even close, Coach. Yeah, he does. He cheats like, he doesn't cheat like a son of a bitch out there.

AJ's a great partner. That's all said. Yeah, you guys are dealing weird and talking loud. Look at my hands. You think I could deal weird with my fingers in my hands, but I cannot deal weird. I wish I could cheat. I would. I would deal from the bottom if someone would teach me.

Now, on that note, my wife also is a bender of the rules when it comes to cards. I play by the rules. Now, do I know the game better than you, potentially? Do I know a rule that you don't know that exists? Potentially. We can Google it if you'd like to, but boy, it is great whenever you win and beat the cheaters like A.J. Hawk, Coach, to everything you're saying. A little fulfillment, little gratification.

A little, hey, this is how the game's supposed to be played. The card gods have blessed me. And now, you know, Chauncey's going to find out the other. The card gods will certainly affect you. We're waiting on it to happen to A.J. Hawk and Yuker. That is what we are waiting for that to happen. That surprises me. I always held AJ in high team.

Don't you. You see how a little bit of misinformation can really see you. Gumpy, when you put this clip out, make sure you tag the FBI. Yes, Cash. Yes, Cash Patel. Cash Patel on it. AJ Hawk is cheating in Yuker. Arrest this piece of shit.

Get them out of here. Get them out of here. Now, there's some stories coming out about the old teams that you have. I assume it's nice to go take a trip down memory lane. Connor has a question. for you, Coach. Yeah, Coach, one of your Hysman winners, Devonta Smith was on the closed-on-sundays show with Pat Sertain and Tarion Arnold, and he basically told a story about how when it was Jerry Judy,

one of our favorite players across the board, DeVontas Smith, Jalen Waddle, and Henry Ruggs. He actually told a story about how you basically went up to either the players or the OC at the time, and he talked about how, you know, hey, you would tell them. Hey, you guys got to stop scoring so quick because you're catching one ball. You're running 80 yards, scoring a touchdown. And then basically our defense is dying because they just played their asses off. Now they've got to go back out on the field. How many times did that happen to you where your team was that good,

where you had to basically tell the players, hey, you know, I preach, you know, stay locked in and play as hard as you can. But right now I can't have you play as hard as you can because if you do, the other side of the ball is screwed. Did that happen often? And when the OCs did get the word from you, not the negotiation, the ass chewing, I'm assuming just basically, hey, you better run the ball or your ass is out of here, Lane Kiffin.

What was that kind of like when your teams were that dominant? No, I loved it when we had those kind of skill guys that could score fast and make big plays. But, you know, there is a strategic side to all that because, you know, understand we came from run the ball, play good defense. Our defense is probably in the top five for the first five or six years. We ran the ball. Derek Henry had some great backs and all that. We shrunk the game, played good defense.

Well, when we changed over to take advantage of the rules, RPO's throwing a ball behind the line of scrimmage, blocking downfield, all those things, when Lane came and hired Lane with the idea that we were going to change because we needed to score more points. But when you go no huddle and you score more points, you play more plays on defense. So that was a psychological change for our whole team. that we were going to win the game 44 to 40 sometimes, you know, not 19 to 6. All right.

So, and it was also a little bit of a change for even me that sometimes when the defense got tired and we scored fast on offense that they had to go right back out there. There were times strategically we needed to just keep the ball a little bit on offense. But I'll take the great players and the speed, and those four guys were great players, and they had great speed, and we could score fast. And I might have tried to get them to score a little slower, but I'd rather have that issue and have the other issue and not have any speed and not be able to score.

Yeah, I would assume it'd be nice to have to put a governor on your offense. You know, hey, we've got to slow us down a little bit. We've got to at least have four plays before we score a touchdown as opposed to having a team that can't score. Well, you know, the 2019 team had all those guys on it when Tua got hurt. That may have been one of the best teams that we ever had. And when Tua got hurt, you know, we lost to Auburn with Mack playing when he probably wasn't quite ready

to play. But that was one of the best teams we ever had, and they never even got in the playoffs. Yeah, that's the thing about college ball. You've got to get lucky in a lot of different ways. I'm lucky that I get a chance to sit next to you. The boys and I are lucky that we get a chance to chat with you. And how do you feel about the vibe? I'll tell you what.

I'm not going to say it. Say it. Tell them. Might as well. Hasn't been a lot of buzz around campus. Whoa. No. What? I thought it was. going the other way. No, I saw the kickers kicking, and I thought it was what it was going to be,

and maybe I'm just on a part of the campus that doesn't have humans, okay? I'm going through, there is nothing. Gump's, please, Gumpi, please, you're with me? Yeah, there's nothing. Yeah, there was nothing. We might have been in wrong parts. I'm going to search for it. I'm going to look for it.

In class? I'm certainly look for it. Yeah, I think so. Wait, down on Broadway? Yeah, it is. I was going to ask the question, is it possible that they were in class? Which you may have not done at West Virginia.

Don't ask dumb questions, Coach. Geez, there is a chance they were in class. So I got to, you're right, I didn't even think about that. That's part of the problem. That's part of the problem. I apologize, Mandy. I can't wait to experience tomorrow. I've heard it's going to be electrifying.

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Conditions and exclusions apply. I know there's a bunch of good games. I know we have a college football slate. Here we go. Look at you guys already potting up before I even think about it. Out of these games, Ty Schmidt, look at this. Which one's your favorite? Which one would you pinpoint that you're going to watch the most?

The one I'm going to watch the most. I mean, outside of the, yeah. Which one are you so excited to see? Outside of obviously Texas S&LSU. I am actually pretty excited to watch BYU, Iowa State. I am. Really? I thought you were going to say, like,

hey, why the fuck is Iowa not on Iowa and the Golden Gopher's not on this? No, no, I would say that, but it's actually funny because that game applies to what Coach Saban was talking about, where the rivalry game is much more important to one school than it is the other. Is this the Floyd Rosedale?

This is the Floyd Rosedale game, yes. So, you know, it's a big deal, but obviously. Can you explain that to the people that might not know? It's a pig. Yeah, it's a big pig. The first year, Iowa in Minnesota played. The governors put up a pig, an actual live pig they played for it. I've never heard of this. Oh, yeah. It's an awesome trophy, Bruce, if you can pull up the Floyd of Rosedale.

And then after that, they basically realized, hey, pretty hard to get this massive pig from Iowa to Minnesota every single year. Let's just play for a trophy instead. So yeah, but Floyd Rosedale. Oh, okay, yes, I have. My bad. I was hoping they still had a live trophy, though. Well, I mean, I'm sure they could, but that's the thing. They slaughter a pig. Nobody in Iowa. Nobody in Iowa wants a hog from from Minnesota.

Oh, really? We got Iowa hogs. We don't need Minnesota hogs, okay? They ain't winning no medals at the Iowa State Fair. I know that. From the 4-H situation, Pat,

I believe you got Sabin and the crew. They already departed, I think, but yeah, here we go. I don't know about you guys, Pat. Pat, it looks like a green screen. I know we have people moving on the field, but everything else looks almost fake and it was so nice back there.

Yeah, the lighting department did a great job here, I believe. And obviously, the entire production crew, Weeksie and his squad, I appreciate the hell out of you guys. It's been multiple weeks in a row, absolutely flawless from the group. So we're very, very thankful for them and how they piece this thing together. But yes, brand new stadium, brand new everything.

It is gorgeous here. I don't know who these jacked dudes are. They're jacked. I don't know if they're a part of the team or not. Very jacked fellas. They've been trying to kick fuel goals. Haven't made one yet. They've only pulled whatever to do one of them.

What the hell? I'm not 100% sure that guy can throw it pretty good, too. It doesn't look like Diego appears to be six Caucasian. But I am, I appreciate the hospitality. All right, let's make our picks here before we get off ESPN, AJ. Last night, obviously, I had the charges. You had the Vikings. I'm undefeated, but you can ride alongside of me to maybe a perfect slate,

bronze at New England Patriots. Seven and a half point favorites at home are Mike Vrable in the boys. Conman, quick thoughts on this game. Anything we need to know? Yeah, they haven't played a home game in a long time. This will be the first home game in a month. I think they were three straight on the road there. So it's been quite a bit.

I expect this to be an atmosphere, at least for New England, that possibly will kind of hopefully bring them back to when they were very good. They haven't had something to cheer for at home in a while. They lost to the Steelers, I believe last time they played at home. They beat the Panthers. But they haven't been good at home recently. So I expect Gillette to show out for the new and improved New England Patriots. tone seven and a half is that the only line you can get the Patriots minus seven if you please

okay AJ who do you like how do you like it I'm going at New England Patriots minus seven at home I mean we think it's like a revenge game too for rape rapes is from kind of in that area he was on the staff for the Cleveland Browns last year somewhat here we go all right giant I ride with the Patriots as well Giants Eagles Eagles favored by seven and a half at home Bruce Brown how do you feel about your team getting seven and a half or getting seven and a half points, especially with the news of them getting fined $200,000 as an organization, Bruce. Yeah, I would say that Fofo and Six should be able to like file a waiver where the unc doesn't apply to those two moving forward.

But this does kind of feel like that spot where perhaps the Giants get their asses kicked. Historically, we're banged up in our, in our secondary. We do have the $6 million dollar man, Graham Ginov. back, so that that's fucking nice. But, you know, Jackson Dard is essentially the second coming of Patrick Mahomes thus far, so maybe we got a shot. Any different lines,

Tone Diggs? Same as last game. There is a seven out there if you prefer the Eagles. AJ, your thoughts and pick? I do prefer the Eagles here at minus seven at home. Me as well. Let's go to the Niners in the Texans. Obviously, a lot of things said about the Texans. They're favored by two and a half at home.

Who's starting quarterback there? boys. Ooh, I want to say Brock Purdy. Yeah, I want to say that as well, but I don't know if it has been confirmed yet. Not sure if he's prejudiced this week. Brock Purdy or Mack Jones getting two and a half down there in Houston. Houston, tough place to play. Any different lines, tone?

There is. There is a one and a half if you prefer the favorite all the way up to two and a half. Okay. AJ, who do you like? How do you like it? Brock Purdy coming back. We saw Sanford run the ball last week and CNC. Maybe, maybe.

Maybe. I confirmed. I just looked it up. did, he was David Lombardi, who we've had on the program, said another day of spry, Brock Purdy at practice. That was yesterday. So if he's practicing and he's

spry, you would assume, oh, there it is right there. Yeah, okay, so we got some spryness out of Brock Purdy. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, he's spry, and as long as use check is in the lineup as well with CMC. Give me the Niners. I'll take the Niners as well. We're on the same page, AJ, look at us. Bears,

Ravens. Lamar Jackson has practiced multiple days in a row. They have not made an official designation. After the buy is when we all thought Lamar Jackson would be back, which is this particular game. Jameson Hensley on the reporting there. Bears obviously looking damn good at this stage of the season and of the Ben Johnson era alongside Caleb Williams. They're getting six and a half in Baltimore. Tone, is that the only number? It is six and a half across the board. That's insane.

Okay. Ty, is there a reason for this that I'm not seeing? No, yeah. They assume Lamar's playing, I'm guessing. Yeah, exactly. Lamar has for sure. playing, but even so, you know, like just because Lamar's playing with how bad the Ravens have looked, and the Bears are quietly, you know, they've been one of the best teams in the NFL over the last couple weeks. So, yeah, this is very, very interesting. This feels like a sucker line. Tell the homie, Zito, we're all riding with the Bears, it sounds like, AJ? Yep, give me the Bears here, you're right. Jeez, unbelievable. There's a man named Ari that's watching this show going, yes, yes, yes. More Bears talk.

I think all of Chicago feels that way. Bills at Panthers. Bills favored by seven and a half in Carolina. Any other lines on that one, Tone Diggs? That one is seven or seven and a half. Okay, down in Carolina, Carolina's got a good football team. Now, this is the one Connor was saying, hey, wait, Buffalo's coming out of a buy week.

Maybe they'll be slow. Shefter reported the Panthers are listing quarterback Bryce Young is doubtful for Sunday's game versus Buffalo. sets, Andy Dalton, I believe, still the backman down there in Carolina. Josh Allen, Andy Dalton, maybe a revenge game, I believe Connor brought up earlier. AJ, who do you like? How do you like it? If I can get the Buffalo Beals at minus seven, I will take the bills. I think this is get back on track game for them.

Okay, give me the Carolina Panthers plus seven and a half down there. Not that the bills don't win. I just think maybe the Panthers. Nope, give me the bills. Five seven and a half. Give me the bills. Really? Yeah, I think so. Just in my head, we just came out of the ball.

buy, and you said they might be slow out of there, but for some reason, I just thought Josh Allen coming out of the buy is going to be even better. Yeah, I don't know. In my head, I just saw that. That just literally just went through my head right there. Yeah, I don't know about the slowness. I know the offensive will fly.

I just, especially with Andy Dalton playing, the bill's kind of weakness on defense is stopping the run, and they might give Rico Dowdell and Chuba Hubbard 20 carries a pop. But seven's a good number. You're right. You're right. Okay, give me the Panthers plus seven and a half. I'm back on. first instinct was that. Oh, no, no, no, no, don't do that. Don't do that. I'm on to

Panthers. I'm on the Panthers. That was my first pick. Jets at Bengals. Bengals favored by six and a half at home. Any other lines tone? You can get six if you want the Bengals. Okay, so you can get minus six Bengals at home against the Justin Fields possibly led New York Jets. Aaron Glenn, head coach of the Jets, has yet to commit to a starting quarterback. What does that mean? We do not know. Rappapaport says, Tyrod Taylor with his knees, question. but trend in right direction. We don't know who the quarterback is. If Tyrod can go, he's potentially out there

because we can't complete a pass with Justin. I like the Joe Flacco-led Cincinnati Bengals minus six at home. AJ, you the same way? Absolutely. Give me the Bengals. Dolphins at Falcons. Any other lines there, tone? Seven and a half across the board. Okay, Dolphins at Falcons. I'll take the Falcons

minus seven and a half. AJ, who do you like? Man, yeah, I'll take the Falcons as well. Gumpy, has he ever picked the dolphins in this entire thing? No, but Bejohn and Alger might have six total tuds in this one. We can't stop the run. Okay, it sounds like we're on the right side.

Buccaneers, Saints, NFC, South Battle, Bucks, favored by four and a half. Mike Evans was back. He's back gone. A Mecca Bucca was back. Baker Mayfield, fresh off a loss that didn't look like themselves. Any other lines for this tone? There's actually, you can go anywhere from three and a half if you want the Bucks to four and a half

if you want the Saints. AJ, who do you like? I want the bucks at three and a half. Me as well. Tennessee Titans, Indianapolis Colts. I'll take them in minus 14 and a half for sure. Welcome back to the Indianapolis Colts being odds on awesome favorites in games. I love that it. It's 14 and a half.

In the AMC South, we haven't won that thing in 13 years. And we're more than two score favorites in a game. Let's go with the Colts. Your pick, AJ. Give me the Colts. God, that was aggressive. I didn't know that was going to be the line. Can I get them at minus 14?

14. 14 and a half. If you wanted to buy half a point, yes. But if you just, all the book. What if we both want? Can we both get it at 14? I'll allow it. Okay.

Okay, we're both at 14. Good for us. Dallas Cowboys, Denver Broncos. Broncos favored by three and a half. Fresh off of a Sean Payton, I wouldn't talk about him. When he's talking about Russell. AJ, do you like the Cowboys or the Broncos? I like the Cowboys here on the road.

Me as well. And then the Packers, Steelers. Sunday night football. Aaron Rogers host the team he played for for 20 years in the city of Pittsburgh. Can Money Time Micah

end this thing for the Packers or will the Pittsburgh Steelers continue to grind and pound and work towards a Super Bowl? AJ, who do you like? How do you like it? The backers are on the road and favorites on Sunday night.

I will take the Green Bay Packers on the road as favorites. Minus two and a half. It's going to be a sweet atmosphere. We know that. Big Mike's doing the coin toss, I think. I'll take the Pittsburgh Steelers, getting two and a half at home on a Sunday night.

Sorry, getting three some books at home on a Sunday night. I can't wait to watch this weekend of football tomorrow. Game Days live from Vanderbilt here in beautiful Nashville. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. We'll see on Overreaction Monday. That's AJ. And the boys, you're the greatest. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice and might change your life.

Goodbye. On the screws. Nailed it, nailed. Yeah, you got it. Big time. Walk over to that $20 million new baseball facility and just pondered out of the park. Yeah, exactly. 43.

Hold on. So here's all the numbers. 130. Hunter, I wrote them, because I was in the elevator with a man named Austin, who was clearly very proud of everything here was. What? Yeah, his name's Vandy Austin. What?

And Vandy Austin knows everything about Vandy. What? He had a few stats. What? A few numbers. What? A few money lines. What?

A few stories. Why? A hundred and thirty million on the football stadium. What? Ninety on the basketball arena. Way. Forty-two on the basketball. baseball stadium.

What? 14 on the outdoor tennis stadium. What? Seven million on the indoor tennis stadium. What? And Vandy Austin said that's the bottom line because Vandy's

got fucking money. Basically is what this guy said. I mean, they're all in on sports. And Chancellor Deermeyer and Candlestory Lee, I think these two are really driving in. Obviously, Coach Lee, Clark Clay, is obviously a part of it, but yeah, Vandy's all in on the sports and obviously the history of

the city. I mean, I can't, I can't wait for people to see what I did yes. Yeah, me too. Same. When will, uh, when will they get to see? I'm not a, you know, it's a, hmm, I don't even know what I can say without giving shit away here. We got some great footage. We got some incredible footage, like some incredible footage, like, it's going to be a dock and then obviously a project. It is, uh, yesterday it was fucking cool. Yeah, fucking play the footage. Play the footage.

You want to see it. No, no, no. I don't know. Not sure. Not, but getting down to Nashville in the middle of football season is crazy. And then obviously, I've, we, I believe, as a whole,

have become friends with a lot of people in the music world. Like, very, very lucky that we've become friends with a lot of people in the music world. Because a lot of country music, especially obviously, this is Nashville. A lot of country music, all the guys and girls that are in country music come from towns that they

love college football. So, like, and all their friends love college football. So, like, college game day and being a part of college football world has, like, kind of introduced us to a lot of people that call this city home. And whenever they found out we were coming down here and that I was coming down here, it was like, it was, I was part of history yesterday. I just got it like. All time. It was most absurd thing I've ever seen in my life.

Yeah, Gumpie's right in there as well. I mean, Gumpie's in the middle of it as well, just kind of looking around. It was fucking, yeah, and we documented it all. So it'll be something that everybody will see, and I can't wait for people to see it. Just know that I think it's all incredibly stupid. and I'm wildly lucky to be doing it all. And also, shout out to everybody that was with us yesterday. Thank you so much for your effort and your time and your talent.

Like, I was watching, I mean, I was watching Masters and Professionals. Yeah, you are watching a master at work. Yeah, every, we're talking, we're talking everything. Like, I was in, I was in some places. I shouldn't have been just watching these people create the magic. And it's like, yeah, it was very cool. All right, on that note, AJ, thank you so much for traveling in. Boys up there great work this week. I appreciate the hell out of you guys. Great work

yesterday. You too, dear. That's have you stop. Behind a glass, good work, boys. Way to go, boys. Way to go, boys. Very, very grateful. Great work, boys. All week, obviously. And then the graphic design boys and the entire squad back there, go work, boys. Good work, boys. I heard you guys talked about D-Bones crash out a little bit, the Red Bull at 6 p.m. Yep.

After. Yeah, shaky hands. Yeah. Yeah, he's kind of, you know, this is kind of a, yeah, this is kind of a part of it. Because remember he had that good first day. Yep. Remember that? Oh, yeah.

So good first day, he was like, oh, this is my game. Yeah, this is how it's going to work. And, you know, me and Foxy both told him, like, hey, enjoy this now, you know, because it's going to happen. Reality's coming. It's going to happen. Very much interesting. Congratulations. Enjoy this now.

And I even gave him, like, a forewarning about how I was a little bit worried about how excited he was. You know, like, because that means the, is going to be even more. And the other day, it was the, that we saw it happen. We saw it happen the other day. When he was, oh, yeah. He's chugging a Red Bull at 6 p.m. freaking out blaming everybody. And that is just, yeah, 6 p.m. Red Bull chugging it while sweating, yelling at everybody. It was like, we knew it was coming literally day one.

knew this was coming and it happened yesterday and i'd like to let debone know i appreciate your competitive fire bro yeah and bone it sucks by the way it sucks for you uh that this is kind of the world you're in i know it's very new but there are people around you that are professional athletes and uh once they start to learn things it's a little bit of a potential there's a separator in there you know and i i don't think debone has necessarily grasped all that yet, but it is certainly a good time in the office. How was your U-ball experience yesterday? Speaking of

we got basically Shaq reincarnated it on the court yesterday with AJ Huck. No, we didn't win. We won a couple games. We got beat many times. It's hard to... Shooting is tough sometimes. You've got to get in the rhythm shooting wise. He's a power dunker. But on that note,

if you were to do it like three, four days straight, you're a professional athlete, I think you would start to kind of figure it out, you know? That's kind of a It's shooting that small ball. It's like shooting a golf ball, most it feels like. Yeah, you feel like Shaq as it's coming off your hand. So then if you do it for four or five days straight, you know,

and you happen to be averagely athletic, you're probably going to, and DeBone just has no respect that there's levels of athleticism, you know, because he's D3 national champion. So like, you know, he didn't, yeah. Well, not Olympic gold medal. He was asked to be on the U.S. Finalist for the football team. Yeah.

Yeah. He got in the second tryout. And shot put. he thought this was it like this game especially with how fun it was he thought this was the way he thought he was never losing again

is that what he thought really yeah this happened in cornhole with him you know like he was beating a couple of people in cornhole and then all of a sudden he lines up next to maybe a professional athlete and it's a different game I'm so sorry that like I am so sorry that this is just how it goes 33 I think he maybe had like a game or two

where he thought he was figuring it out had like the moment and then all of a sudden just not and then you ball day one He's like, holy fuck, this is the one. This is what I'm going to be great at. And there was just like a little bit of a warning. Like, bro, it feels like this might be the same outcome as the other couple, but he just keeps getting in there.

And that's why we love him. Now, on that note, speaking of loving people, ladies of gentlemen, we have a birthday today, and I don't know. Oh, yeah. Shumpy would actually like to make his way over here to celebrate this alongside all of us. A man who's been, I think, continuing to evolve his creativity and his artistry and also started getting loose in you ball a little bit

started participating in the the Thunderdome events you know a little bit obviously a father a husband ladies gentlemen it's uh it's dirty's birthday happy birthday happy birthday dirty uh we appreciate you guys appreciate Have a bit. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. you.

Yeah! Good old. Thank you, everybody. I appreciate you guys. Blow the candle time. Hey. Oh, I'm not trick, man. Make a wish.

Hey, um, real talk dirty. Great year, I think, out of you. I think we would all say this, don't you agree? A great trip around the sun. I appreciate it. Hell yeah, we appreciate you too, man. You guys are awesome. You guys are awesome.

Hey, you're awesome. Dirty will make an incredible graphic and then spell one fucking word wrong and then we're all like, okay. But this is the only thing anybody's going to talk about dirty. You've been kicking ass, brother. You need to know that. Happy birthday, man. We appreciate you. And also, maybe you team up with D-Bone and you ball. Give him a little bit

a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, you might get mad at me. Hey, call you guys Dirty Bone. Yeah. Dirty Bone. You don't want that Dirty Bone. Jay, you ready?

We're ready. I don't want to break up time. What's you going to do? Bone and butt was a great team. I think that was actually a part of D-Bones. crash out the other day. He had a professional athlete as a teammate. Oh, he forgot about that. Yeah, he was saying a lot of things. I mean, he's, DeBone,

happy birthday to you, buddy. Happy birthday, DeBone. A birthday, Bob. It's nice birthday, AJ. I think you were looking around eight years. I'm trying to find the guy. He's gone, like, this is usually his isolation. This is usually his mid-afternoon shite time.

And it's like an hour and a half. He won't see him for a while. My kids do that. He's got a big window. On that note, you talk about sitting down maybe too long on the toilet or things that could potentially happen that I've been talking about earlier in the week with the boys, if you remember, through the, for me personally. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember. Yeah, full explosion last night. Hey, that's good, though, right?

Need that. Yeah, definitely. Definitely good news. Look like a murder scene on my bed. I don't doubt it. seen on my bed uh but life is a lot better now than it that it was there you go blood i had a blister on the back of my leg for something i thought you dumped blood all over your bed you scared me like it's not like normal no yeah it's just a little bit of a thing okay there's a little thing that

built up on my body and then it just popped last night it was certainly aggravating and uh that was an eye opener why i woke up to go to the bathroom middle of the night is uh somebody die here What is that? And then it was from myself, you know? So it was a great morning. Just there was a lot of relief this morning. A. A.R. Releaf, whenever we woke up this morning.

So we're heading into the greatest weekend of all time. AJ, safe travels back to Dublin. Gumpy. Let's enjoy the hell out of Andy. Hell yeah. And boys, you're the best. Happy birthday, Dirty. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice.

It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Let's never forget it. AJ, anything you say to the team here? Let's have a better one next week. Hoggo I hate that Hogger

Don't you hate that too HVU does it Don't be it Beez Beard's good coach Yeah he is He is He is a great coach

Got deep on hit that shot Exactly It is Gimmick and Well said Gumpie Do you have anything To say to the team

Gumpy Since AJ won't do I will take the wheel Here It's been a great week Everybody you know Football is at full swing MLS Cups

kicking off all the sports world series starts tonight so hey oh okay okay bring it back bring it back but we're heading into the greatest weekend of all time with the dodgers knocking off the blue jays to get it started tonight i love that god appreciate you team on me team on three let's have the greatest sports weekend of all time all the boys over there in a corner too hell yeah appreciate you guys uh you guys did great work here uh see you guys on overreaction monday hope you all have the time of your life Team on three, one, two, three. Team.

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